| --- | Log | opened Fri Dec 05 00:00:00 2008 |
| --- | Day | changed Fri Dec 05 2008 |
| 00:00 | <mwalling> | Eman: kinky |
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| 00:00 | <jadoba> | is that why you keep thinking of it, mwalling? |
| 00:01 | <Eman> | a bunch of shit (left up to the rack by the previous guy) fell at my last job, manage to whip me with the cable |
| 00:01 | <Eman> | i was lucky the twinax didnt get me |
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| 00:16 | <DK> | sorry, disconnected for a few minutes :< |
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| 00:20 | <DK> | bd_: thanks, that seemed to take care of it |
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| 00:30 | <justin> | Question: I have a new linode account runnint CentOS 5.2 64bit. My SSH connection is terminated after 15 minutes of inactivity. I tried enabling TCPKeepAlive in SSHD and disabling iptables. There was some question as well on how to use the ip_conntrack module in the linode itself. Any suggestions? |
| 00:30 | <justin> | s/runnint/running |
| 00:31 | <path-> | using putty? |
| 00:32 | <justin> | yeah |
| 00:32 | <path-> | http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.56/htmldoc/Chapter4.html#S4.13.5 |
| 00:32 | <justin> | well, i tried modifing sshd_config to enable TCPKeepAlive |
| 00:33 | <justin> | i didn't try using the putty keepalive |
| 00:33 | <path-> | gotta do it on the client too |
| 00:33 | <justin> | shouldn't have to |
| 00:33 | <justin> | weird |
| 00:33 | <path-> | well, i'd give it a try |
| 00:34 | <justin> | yeah, it's worth trying |
| 00:34 | <mwalling> | mwalling@you ~$ zgrep CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK /proc/config.gz |
| 00:34 | <mwalling> | CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK=y |
| 00:34 | * | justin checks |
| 00:34 | <mwalling> | thats on 2.6.27.4-linode14 |
| 00:34 | <mwalling> | and i'm pretty sure its on all kernels prior as well |
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| 00:35 | <justin> | CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK=y |
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| 00:35 | <justin> | slightly different |
| 00:35 | <justin> | but it is there |
| 00:36 | <justin> | running 2.6.18.8-x86_64-linode1 |
| 00:36 | <path-> | i have the same for Latest 2.6 |
| 00:37 | <justin> | hmm |
| 00:37 | <path-> | it could be something else in between |
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| 00:38 | <justin> | doesn't do it to me on other shell accounts |
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| 00:39 | <justin> | i figured it was probably something implemented at the colo or where ever this eqipment is at |
| 00:39 | <justin> | on their firewall/routers |
| 00:39 | <justin> | im testing it now that im at home |
| 00:39 | <justin> | see if it does the same thing as when im at work |
| 00:39 | <path-> | i've been logged in for days |
| 00:40 | <justin> | which datacenter are you using? |
| 00:40 | <path-> | newark |
| 00:40 | <justin> | im using california |
| 00:40 | <path-> | i'm sure other people do the same |
| 00:40 | <exor674> | I've had a SSH connection open for a week straight |
| 00:40 | <exor674> | to both fremont AND newark |
| 00:40 | <justin> | yeah, that is why i don't get this |
| 00:40 | <justin> | it's pretty much a default install of centos |
| 00:41 | <justin> | i haven't made any major changes |
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| 00:42 | <path-> | you reload sshd after making the change? |
| 00:42 | <RossH> | .win 2 |
| 00:42 | <justin> | path, service sshd restart |
| 00:43 | <justin> | im a solaris admin so i'm still grasping the subtle differences on how to do things but I do realize the service has to be restarted after the change |
| 00:43 | <justin> | however, even with TCPKeepAlive not set.... it should still retain the connection |
| 00:43 | <justin> | ill do some more testing |
| 00:44 | <path-> | i've got no idea |
| 00:44 | <path-> | ssh -vvv |
| 00:44 | <@caker> | justin: are you behind a NAT thing? |
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| 00:44 | <atourino> | <3 tasaro |
| 00:44 | <@caker> | justin: the only times I've heard of this occurring (and experienced first hand) is when there's a nat or wireless router involved somewhere |
| 00:44 | <@caker> | justin: I fixed it by adding the keepalive stuff to my ssh_config on my local box (the client's config file, not the server's) |
| 00:44 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 00:44 | <justin> | cake, a NAT thing? The connection I was on earlier today is behind checkpoint firewalls using NATing, but I have other ssh connections established out of that network that stay connected for weeks |
| 00:45 | * | atourino performs cpr to try to keep it alive... can't |
| 00:45 | <atourino> | sigh |
| 00:45 | <atourino> | another one bites the dust |
| 00:45 | <justin> | im testing to see if it does it from home |
| 00:45 | <justin> | im on a pix 501 here at home, but just like work... i can keep connections for many hours while idle |
| 00:46 | <@caker> | ServerAliveInterval 120 <-- what I added to ssh_config on my local box |
| 00:46 | <justin> | i'm using putty as my terminal |
| 00:46 | <@caker> | ah... |
| 00:46 | <justin> | ill try it's setting as well |
| 00:46 | <justin> | it has one |
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| 00:46 | <justin> | it just annoys me know that i shouldn't have to :) |
| 00:46 | <justin> | know what I mean? |
| 00:47 | <@caker> | yup. |
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| 00:47 | <justin> | would rather fix the problem then try to find a way around it |
| 00:48 | <justin> | i guess i was just looking for reassurance that linode's weren't indicative of this type of behavior and you guys have pretty much done that for me |
| 00:48 | <justin> | if i still can't figure it out i may just open a ticket, i guess |
| 00:48 | <@caker> | sure thing |
| 00:49 | <@caker> | we can try different kernels or something, but my initial suspicion is that the problem is elsewhere -- but stranger things have happened! |
| 00:49 | <justin> | it is consistently 15 minutes |
| 00:49 | <justin> | i should probably update my kernel anyway if there is a newer stable one available |
| 00:49 | <Daeshim> | Yeah I had strange things happen my first night with my linode. |
| 00:50 | <Daeshim> | Seems to be working fine now though. |
| 00:50 | <justin> | im also skeptical of using centos but from my understanding it's just rhel |
| 00:50 | <Daeshim> | yeah |
| 00:50 | <Daeshim> | CentOS is a good OS |
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| 00:50 | <Daeshim> | I know a few hosting companies that use it as their main OS for web hosting. |
| 00:50 | <justin> | 3 more minutes to see if this thing disconnects me |
| 00:50 | <justin> | daeshim, yeah, me too |
| 00:50 | <justin> | well, i know of one |
| 00:51 | <@caker> | 64% of all deployments at Linode are Debian or Ubuntu. CentOS has about 13% |
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| 00:51 | <@caker> | fwiw :) |
| 00:51 | <justin> | i was never a big debian fan |
| 00:51 | <@mikegrb> | ! people still use slackware?!?! |
| 00:51 | <tjfontaine> | slackware is the last 20%? |
| 00:51 | <justin> | however i was a big slackware fan |
| 00:52 | <@caker> | tjfontaine: 2.4% slackware, amazingly :) |
| 00:52 | <tjfontaine> | jeepers |
| 00:52 | <@caker> | 6% gentooooo |
| 00:52 | <atourino> | remaining 17.6% is freebsd and windows |
| 00:52 | <tjfontaine> | 10% arch? |
| 00:52 | <justin> | you can install your own OS on a linode, i take it? |
| 00:52 | <@caker> | sure |
| 00:53 | <justin> | anyone install opensolaris on a linode? |
| 00:53 | <@caker> | 1% is Arch |
| 00:53 | <tjfontaine> | opensolaris has been a no go so far |
| 00:53 | <justin> | ah |
| 00:53 | <path-> | someone tried but had issues with their pvops |
| 00:53 | <atourino> | opensuse? |
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| 00:53 | <tjfontaine> | it hates pv_grub tries |
| 00:53 | <@caker> | .4% novel |
| 00:53 | <atourino> | wow! |
| 00:53 | <@caker> | +l |
| 00:53 | <justin> | haha |
| 00:53 | <atourino> | I would've thought it more popular |
| 00:54 | <atourino> | at least with the euro folk |
| 00:54 | <@caker> | I don't think we've offered it for that long |
| 00:54 | * | caker retires to his chamber |
| 00:54 | <justin> | well, so far my home connection has idled longer than 15 minutes |
| 00:54 | <atourino> | night! |
| 00:54 | <justin> | fucking weird |
| 00:54 | <@caker> | o/ |
| 00:55 | <justin> | maybe there is something between the path i take at work through embarq to linode |
| 00:55 | <starter2> | caker, is wanting to be able to start more bots on undernet a valid reason for more ip's? undernet only allows 2 connections per IP... ? |
| 00:55 | <starter2> | bots = eggdrop |
| 00:55 | <@caker> | starter2: no |
| 00:56 | <starter2> | crap:) i thought so:) |
| 00:56 | * | caker mumbles something about ipv6 |
| 00:56 | <starter2> | what?? |
| 00:56 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:56 | <starter2> | lol |
| 00:56 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 00:56 | <starter2> | could you repeat what you mumbled?:) |
| 00:56 | <Daeshim> | ipv6 tunnel :D |
| 00:56 | <justin> | people still connect to undernet? |
| 00:57 | <starter2> | of course they do |
| 00:57 | <justin> | is it still the place for all the warez kiddies? |
| 00:57 | <starter2> | how do we justify more ips? i know domains would be a good way to do it |
| 00:58 | <starter2> | justin, the staff is working intensivly on stopping that, but yes it does have some specific channels |
| 00:58 | <starter2> | doing that:) |
| 00:58 | <starter2> | my fav is #mp3passion :) |
| 00:58 | <justin> | bah |
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| 00:59 | <atourino> | night all |
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| 00:59 | <starter2> | caker, help me out please:) how do i justify ips? |
| 00:59 | <justin> | thanks for the info everyone, i think my issue was just a 1-off problem with work->linode |
| 01:00 | <justin> | a strange one |
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| 01:04 | <irgeek> | starter2: You need something that *requires* extra IPs - like https hosting. |
| 01:04 | <starter2> | what else does?:) |
| 01:05 | <irgeek> | There's a simple hack to get more IPs without justification though. |
| 01:06 | <irgeek> | Just buy more Linodes. |
| 01:06 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:06 | <starter2> | are you brain damaged? lol |
| 01:06 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 01:06 | <starter2> | they cost 20 bucks a piece |
| 01:06 | <starter2> | lo |
| 01:06 | <starter2> | im a damn student... |
| 01:06 | <starter2> | its already expensive for me |
| 01:07 | <starter2> | i dont get it how serverpronto just throws ips away |
| 01:07 | <starter2> | at 10bucks per ip one time deal... |
| 01:07 | <irgeek> | You never said you wanted more free IPs. You said you wanted more IPs. |
| 01:08 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:08 | <Huru> | lol @ irgeek |
| 01:08 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 01:08 | <irgeek> | And hosts that burn through IPs like that will likely find themselves not able to get new blocks in the not too distant future. |
| 01:08 | <starter2> | how the hell does the internet run out of ips |
| 01:08 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:08 | <starter2> | lol |
| 01:08 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 01:08 | <starter2> | isnt it... 255 to the power of 4? |
| 01:09 | <irgeek> | Are you kidding, or do you really not know? |
| 01:09 | <starter2> | !calc 255^4 |
| 01:09 | <linbot> | starter2: 255^4 = 4,228,250,625 |
| 01:09 | <starter2> | not kidding |
| 01:09 | <starter2> | 4 billion IPS |
| 01:09 | <starter2> | hmm |
| 01:09 | <starter2> | 2 ips per person roughly |
| 01:09 | <starter2> | but yet again so many people dont use that allthough |
| 01:09 | <starter2> | many do have internet home... |
| 01:09 | <starter2> | damn |
| 01:09 | <starter2> | irgeek, explain please:) |
| 01:10 | <irgeek> | Uh, no. The world population is about 6.6 million. That's less than one IP each. |
| 01:10 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:10 | <Daeshim> | lol |
| 01:10 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
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| 01:10 | <starter2> | it is?? |
| 01:10 | <starter2> | i though its 4... |
| 01:10 | <starter2> | billion that is |
| 01:10 | <irgeek> | !google world population |
| 01:11 | <linbot> | irgeek: Search took 0.09 seconds: World population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population>; List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population>; World Population: <http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop>; U.S. and World Population Clocks - POPClocks: (2 more messages) |
| 01:11 | <Daeshim> | ipv6 |
| 01:11 | <starter2> | :/ |
| 01:11 | * | Daeshim coughs |
| 01:11 | <starter2> | what is that?? |
| 01:11 | <starter2> | why do people mumble |
| 01:11 | <starter2> | and cough |
| 01:11 | <Daeshim> | That solves the IP problem |
| 01:11 | <irgeek> | But, when you start subtracting the reserved blocks and the /8 blocks that were handed out to companies years ago, the supply gets much smaller. |
| 01:11 | <justin> | the coughs and mumbles are subtle ways of saying... move forward already |
| 01:12 | <justin> | move away from the 20 year old technologuy |
| 01:12 | <irgeek> | starter2: Read: http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/index.html |
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| 01:15 | <irgeek> | And BTW, there are 2^32 IPv4 addresses, not 255^4 (it would be 256^4) |
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| 01:19 | <starter2> | huhh? |
| 01:20 | <starter2> | !calc 2^32 |
| 01:20 | <linbot> | starter2: 2^32 = 4,294,967,296 |
| 01:20 | <starter2> | !calc 255^4 |
| 01:20 | <linbot> | starter2: 255^4 = 4,228,250,625 |
| 01:20 | <starter2> | :) |
| 01:20 | <starter2> | i see |
| 01:22 | <@caker> | I'M BACK (and still awake) |
| 01:22 | <@caker> | 01:10 < irgeek> Uh, no. The world population is about 6.6 million. That's less than one IP each. |
| 01:22 | <@caker> | itym billionzzzzz |
| 01:23 | * | caker -> sleep(some) |
| 01:23 | * | irgeek did mean billionzzzzz |
| 01:23 | <irgeek> | M and B shouldn't be so close together on the keyboard. |
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| 01:25 | <libervisco> | S3 has many internal server errors.. 75 retries left, sleeping for 30 seconds |
| 01:26 | <libervisco> | that means 24 times, each after 30 seconds |
| 01:26 | <libervisco> | meaning 12 minutes downtime effectively |
| 01:26 | <libervisco> | Who else calls S3 reliable? I don't get the joke... |
| 01:27 | <turuburu> | hi |
| 01:29 | <irgeek> | ohai |
| 01:31 | <libervisco> | hai |
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| 01:32 | <libervisco> | 15 minutes S3 downtime/failure |
| 01:32 | <dispraekailo> | whoa, system-wide or just yours? |
| 01:32 | <libervisco> | my current s3sync |
| 01:32 | * | irgeek points and laughs at undernet |
| 01:32 | <libervisco> | internal server errors |
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| 01:32 | <libervisco> | With result 500 Internal Server Error 68 retries left, sleeping for 30 seconds |
| 01:33 | <irgeek> | They have no IPv6 servers as far as I can tell. Lame. |
| 01:33 | <libervisco> | that's 16 minutes now :P |
| 01:34 | <libervisco> | I went with S3 for now since I already half set it up... since I couldn't make the final decision between it and some classic backup (SSH and rsync) |
| 01:34 | <libervisco> | and since it's cheapest I've got not much to lose if I put my first backup there for now |
| 01:36 | <libervisco> | hmm I already made 43,857 Requests |
| 01:38 | <libervisco> | 18 minutes (still erroring) :S |
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| 01:41 | <libervisco> | oh that's not on the same file though.. I thought it counts 100 times on a single file.. |
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| 02:31 | <toyo|desk> | !botsnack |
| 02:31 | <linbot> | thanks, toyo|desk! |
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| 03:11 | <Huru> | !botsnack |
| 03:11 | <linbot> | thanks, Huru! |
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| 04:55 | <metaperl> | I bet ubuntu tomcat works out the box... i'm catching hell with debian/stable's version |
| 04:55 | <metaperl> | how can I migrate my linode from debian/stable to ubuntu? |
| 04:56 | <Internat> | reinstall :P |
| 04:56 | <SelfishMan> | metaperl: tomcat5.5 on ubuntu works as long as you install the full jdk from sun and nothing else |
| 04:56 | <metaperl> | right.... debian/stable is not working... i'm asking on debian-user about it |
| 04:56 | <metaperl> | but overall, I am ready to join the ubuntu tribe |
| 04:57 | <Internat> | fair enuff |
| 04:57 | <Internat> | you are going to be better off reinstalling then attempting any bastardisation |
| 04:58 | <metaperl> | thing is, debian just failed when I tried to install tomcat5.5 --- it didnt say anything about need ing to install sun-java5-jdk |
| 04:58 | <metaperl> | I had to ask on IRC about it |
| 04:58 | <Internat> | err |
| 04:58 | <Internat> | is there a debian package for tomcat 5.5? |
| 04:58 | <SelfishMan> | yep, you need sun-java?-jdk specifically |
| 04:59 | <Internat> | so there is.. |
| 04:59 | <Internat> | i know i installed tomcat from scratch on my box. |
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| 05:09 | <DephNet[Paul]> | i really wonder about some people |
| 05:10 | <Internat> | oh? |
| 05:10 | <DephNet[Paul]> | <jamied> hi can any body hell me i want 2 reboot my laptop any advice |
| 05:10 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 05:10 | <Internat> | rofl |
| 05:10 | <fo0bar> | roflz |
| 05:12 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 05:12 | <DK> | lol |
| 05:12 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 05:24 | <Peng_> | !avail-he |
| 05:24 | <linbot> | Peng_: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 28, Fremont720 - 18, Fremont1080 - 6, Fremont1440 - 5, Fremont2880 - 3 |
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| 05:30 | <Nickolai> | Hello. I'm thinking about the possible geograpical location for my server. Would someone in the U.S. please ping two servers for me? |
| 05:34 | <Nickolai> | Hey there |
| 05:35 | <DK> | hiya |
| 05:35 | <Nickolai> | can you ping gandi.net for me |
| 05:36 | <DK> | i dont have ssh access atm :( |
| 05:42 | <Nickolai> | ok |
| 05:44 | <Peng_> | Ping from where? |
| 05:45 | <Nickolai> | I was interested for someone to ping hosts from US |
| 05:45 | <Nickolai> | Anywhere in US |
| 05:45 | <Nickolai> | gandi.net |
| 05:45 | <Nickolai> | mirror.yandex.ru |
| 05:46 | <Peng_> | From my Dallas node, gandi.net is 114 ms. |
| 05:46 | <Peng_> | You may be interested in |
| 05:46 | <Peng_> | !download |
| 05:46 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 05:47 | <Peng_> | Huh, a traceroute from Dallas to gandi.net is remarkably short. The Planet -> two hops through Global Crossing -> gandi.net. |
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| 05:54 | <axod> | hi what is the purpose of buying [Extras->bandwidth] ? |
| 05:54 | <axod> | will this happen automagically if I go over my allowance anyway? |
| 05:55 | <Internat> | no |
| 05:55 | <Internat> | you should read up on the forums etc though, because im pretty sure they have mentioned that the bandwidth is a softquota.. |
| 05:56 | <axod> | hmm ok, |
| 05:56 | <Internat> | ie if you go over it, depdning on how much, you mightnt be in the shit :) |
| 05:56 | <Internat> | i would imagine if your consistantly going over you would need to buy more.. but if its just a one off, they probably wouldnt care, depending on how much |
| 05:56 | <axod> | ah. I better get the extra sorted then |
| 05:56 | <Internat> | but im not an admin, so dont take my word as gospel |
| 05:56 | <axod> | sure ok |
| 05:56 | <Internat> | your gonna go over the limit? |
| 05:56 | <axod> | it's my first month, but I'll go over by a lot |
| 05:57 | <axod> | allowance = 600GB, likely to do around 1500GB |
| 05:57 | <Internat> | wholy frig |
| 05:57 | <SelfishMan> | you can always buy it at the end of the month if you are afraid of going over |
| 05:57 | <Internat> | what the hell are you hosting.. |
| 05:57 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 05:57 | <axod> | lol @ wholy frig |
| 05:57 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 05:57 | <axod> | nice phrase |
| 05:57 | <axod> | I run mibbit... this is one of 2 servers |
| 05:57 | * | SelfishMan smells torrents |
| 05:57 | <axod> | mibbit does about 3TB/month |
| 05:57 | <HoopyCat> | if that were me, i'd open a ticket to ask about it, just to get official guidance |
| 05:58 | <axod> | it's just chat... |
| 05:58 | <HoopyCat> | also note that if you have multiple linodes, the bandwidth allowances are pooled (i.e. if you have two 360s with 200GB each, and one does 350GB and the other does 50GB, that's cool), but you're probably a bit past that ;-) |
| 06:00 | <axod> | cool |
| 06:00 | <Internat> | 3tb a month is impressive.. |
| 06:01 | <HoopyCat> | it's only 100GB a day... i do half that in a month. call me when it's 3.1TB... there's some serious transfer ;-) |
| 06:05 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 06:05 | <Internat> | lol |
| 06:05 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 06:05 | <Internat> | i dont think ive ever come close to hitting my bandwidth |
| 06:06 | <Internat> | that being said at the moment i have 4 linodes.. so 2x200+2x300 = 1TB.. id be lucky to ever hit that |
| 06:10 | <HoopyCat> | aww man, gopherlib is gone from python 3000 :-( |
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| 06:12 | <shmay> | where is the known hosts file in os x? |
| 06:13 | <Mr-lol> | Hi every body |
| 06:13 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 06:13 | <shmay> | hi mr lol |
| 06:13 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 06:14 | <Mr-lol> | Is it posible to combine to linode accounts |
| 06:14 | <Mr-lol> | I mean the resources? |
| 06:14 | <shmay> | good question, dunno |
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| 06:15 | <axod> | 3TB/month isn't *that* much though, I'm sure any site that involves video, or music etc does tons more |
| 06:15 | <Mr-lol> | Another question is there any one who uses zimbra community version here? |
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| 06:40 | <Oli``> | Hi all. I'm trying to pick a VPS between Linode and Slicehost. I know I'm going to get biased answers but (apart from price) why is Linode better (or worse)? .. as Honest as possible please =) |
| 06:41 | <Hobbsee> | more resources? :) |
| 06:41 | <SelfishMan> | Linode just works. |
| 06:42 | <Hobbsee> | the nice habit of giving away more bits, for the same money is rather nice, too |
| 06:42 | <SelfishMan> | I could probably give you the 64 vs 32 bit memory usage argument too I guess |
| 06:44 | <Oli``> | I know it'd be speculating, but how much do you think the rackspace buyout is going to improve their specs/prices? |
| 06:44 | <Hobbsee> | SpaceHobo: really? i would have thought you'd get them by torrenting |
| 06:44 | <SelfishMan> | I honestly think rackspace will raise prices and eventually drop the service as it is now |
| 06:44 | <SelfishMan> | That seems to be the way they work, much like microsoft |
| 06:45 | <Hobbsee> | SpaceHobo: i hit that for months, with torrenting the ubuntu isos :P |
| 06:45 | <Oli``> | And does Linode have any plans to expand to Europe (like Slicehost eventually will)? |
| 06:45 | <Hobbsee> | ah, right. |
| 06:45 | <Hobbsee> | ahh |
| 06:46 | <Oli``> | I'm in the UK - I'm just talking about having faster response times for clients here =) |
| 06:46 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 06:46 | <Oli``> | SpaceHobo: which datacenter are you in? |
| 06:46 | <Oli``> | and thanks for the link |
| 06:47 | <Oli``> | I figure NJ would probably be .. yeah |
| 06:49 | <b4> | as far as i can tell |
| 06:49 | <b4> | my linode lost networking |
| 06:51 | <Oli``> | Yeah pinging those hosts, NJ comes out 30-60% faster |
| 06:59 | <b4> | so there were newark network kissues overnight? |
| 07:00 | <b4> | or did i fai? |
| 07:02 | <b4> | hm |
| 07:03 | <b4> | odd bandwith usagei don't remembe rusing 7.6GB |
| 07:03 | <axod> | NJ seems pretty cool from UK for me |
| 07:03 | * | b4 wonders what used 7.6GB in 5days |
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| 07:11 | <shmay> | how would i uninstall something i installed via apt-get? |
| 07:11 | <DephNet[Paul]> | apt-get remove [item] |
| 07:11 | <shmay> | sweet |
| 07:11 | <shmay> | tyvm |
| 07:15 | <Oli``> | apt-get remove --purge [item] to get rid of useless config too |
| 07:16 | <b4> | 7.28GB used in 24 hours... |
| 07:17 | <b4> | 7.11GB is INCOMING |
| 07:17 | <b4> | and i don't remember transferring so much |
| 07:18 | <shmay> | if i wanted to install to a certain directory via apt-get, how would i do that? |
| 07:18 | <b4> | i only downloaded 7094kb in 24 hours... |
| 07:18 | <Oli``> | shmay: AFAIK, you can't |
| 07:18 | <shmay> | k |
| 07:19 | <Oli``> | .debs (the packages apt uses) are packaged up so they know where to install.. I don't think you can deviate from that unless you download the deb, extract it and install it manually (messy!) |
| 07:33 | <HoopyCat> | dear valued off-brand video site: if you're going to disable the pause button, at least either have enough bandwidth that it doesn't matter or buffer enough video before starting so that it doesn't suck |
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| 07:44 | <frzn> | hurro |
| 07:44 | <axod> | afternoon |
| 07:44 | <frzn> | evening ;p |
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| 09:07 | <linbot> | New news from forums: How to know to which Linode should I downgrade in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3708> |
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| 09:24 | <mwalling> | ang: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HowToInstallXenOnSlackware |
| 09:24 | <mwalling> | axod: i used mibbit for the first imte yesterday... wow! |
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| 09:25 | <axod> | mwalling: ah cool, good experience I hope... |
| 09:25 | <mwalling> | yeah |
| 09:25 | <mwalling> | beats the hell outa cgi::irc anyday |
| 09:26 | <axod> | :) |
| 09:26 | <axod> | thanks! |
| 09:28 | <Oli``> | Yey! Ponies! I'm now a Linode customer! |
| 09:30 | <straterra> | LIES |
| 09:30 | <mwalling> | axod: one thing i noticed thats irssi-like behavior: i'm used to hitting c tab and getting caker, since he is usually either 1) the first c in the alphabet, b) the last person with a C starting nick who hilighted me, or c) the last person i tabbed to... it seemed that i had to type enough to make it distinct before tab would work |
| 09:32 | <Oli``> | Do I want Ubuntu 32 or 64? |
| 09:32 | <straterra> | 32 |
| 09:32 | <Oli``> | k |
| 09:33 | <mwalling> | Oli``: if you have to ask the question, you prolly dont need it |
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| 09:33 | <Oli``> | I'm a linux user ;) I don't know if it being a XEN environment changes things though |
| 09:34 | <@caker> | it does not |
| 09:35 | <axod> | mwalling: yup tab complete could do with some way to present options, or a way to config how you like it, cycle through them, etc |
| 09:39 | <@tasaro> | Oli``: welcome to the club :) |
| 09:52 | <Yaakov> | I ♡ Linode. |
| 09:53 | <Karrde> | sure wish my irssi and screen would do unicode |
| 09:53 | <Yaakov> | Karrde: It can. |
| 09:53 | <Karrde> | I know it can |
| 09:53 | <Karrde> | isaid mine |
| 09:53 | <Karrde> | :( |
| 09:53 | <Yaakov> | *Yours* can. |
| 09:53 | <Karrde> | I've played with it and never really gotton it to work |
| 09:54 | <path-> | ☹ |
| 09:55 | <mwalling> | ? |
| 09:55 | <Karrde> | ? |
| 09:55 | <axod> | unicode on terminals is a bit cludgy IMHO |
| 09:55 | <mwalling> | ?. |
| 09:55 | <Yaakov> | Well, you have probably done: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and defutf8 in .screenrc and term_charset = utf-8 in irssi but that should do it, UNLESS, your terminal is screwed up. |
| 09:59 | <Yaakov> | The Leopard Terminal.app screwed up Irssi for me in a couple of ways so I used the old one. Then when I went from FreeBSD shells to Linux, UTF-8 blew up. |
| 10:00 | <Yaakov> | I had to switch to iTerm, and it is not good at spacing the UTF-8 characters, so, it isn't prefect. |
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| 10:02 | <axod> | ☃ |
| 10:03 | <Yaakov> | Seasonal typography. |
| 10:08 | <@caker> | http://www.sonomawireworks.com/iphone/fourtrack/ <-- wow... |
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| 10:10 | <mwalling> | ... |
| 10:10 | <Yaakov> | caker: That's pretty neat. |
| 10:10 | <mwalling> | *headdesk* |
| 10:10 | <scott> | mwalling: here, let me help with that |
| 10:10 | <Yaakov> | caker: When do we get an iPhone optimized Linode control panel? |
| 10:11 | <@caker> | when one of us has free time |
| 10:11 | <mwalling> | mobile.linode.com! |
| 10:11 | <Yaakov> | So... never! |
| 10:11 | <Yaakov> | :) |
| 10:11 | <mwalling> | and it better work on palms! |
| 10:11 | <@caker> | well, we *are* hiring! |
| 10:11 | <mwalling> | actually... |
| 10:11 | <mwalling> | caker: thats incentive to finish the api... |
| 10:11 | <Yaakov> | Linode: The Anti-Recession |
| 10:12 | <@caker> | mwalling: yes |
| 10:12 | <mwalling> | Yaakov: we're hiring too... HR just approved 3 more positions |
| 10:12 | <@caker> | GE doesn't count |
| 10:12 | <mwalling> | if anyone has power systems background and likes coding, let me know! |
| 10:12 | <Yaakov> | mwalling: Win32 nuclear plant control software? |
| 10:12 | <mwalling> | nah |
| 10:13 | <mwalling> | http://www.gepower.com/prod_serv/serv/energy_consulting/en/concorda_software.htm |
| 10:13 | <@tasaro> | 3 new positions and 5,000 eliminated positions doesn't count either |
| 10:13 | <Yaakov> | Power distribution is very cool stuff. Unfortunately, it isn't very popular with our undergrads. |
| 10:14 | <@mikegrb> | btw the crappy headlight in my car that went out after 3 months... |
| 10:14 | <mwalling> | tasaro: ge money doesnt count. |
| 10:14 | <@mikegrb> | GE |
| 10:14 | <@mikegrb> | bastards |
| 10:14 | <tjfontaine> | exactly. |
| 10:14 | <Yaakov> | Get GE to move all of its server infrastructure to Linode! |
| 10:15 | <mwalling> | we've already (unofficially) got one linode |
| 10:15 | <Yaakov> | It is begun... |
| 10:15 | <mwalling> | and i'm trying to buy crap from one of tasaro's suppliers |
| 10:16 | <scott> | mikegrb: your Kia? |
| 10:17 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 10:17 | <Yaakov> | caker: Have you considered selling Linode appliances? |
| 10:17 | <scott> | mikegrb: had that problem with the van, and they changed some kind of harness |
| 10:17 | <@caker> | Yaakov: in some form, yes -- but we like the hosted model |
| 10:18 | <@mikegrb> | nah it was a fluke I'm sure they last fine otherwise just the one went out quickly |
| 10:18 | <Yaakov> | caker: I would seriously consider buying an appliance since I am essentially reproducing (part of) your infrastructure for use internally. |
| 10:19 | <@tasaro> | mwalling: what kind of crap are you buying? |
| 10:19 | <mwalling> | tasaro: i'm still trying to get non-sucky servers from zones |
| 10:19 | <mwalling> | i have to set up an e-auction or somethingorrather |
| 10:20 | <mwalling> | its gotten sidelined by other projects though |
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| 10:44 | <straterra> | Linode ipv6? :D |
| 10:44 | <mwalling> | OMGMOARBITZ |
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| 10:45 | <Nat_RH> | mine is |
| 10:45 | <straterra> | Natively? |
| 10:45 | <straterra> | LIES |
| 10:45 | <Nat_RH> | heehehhe tunnel |
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| 10:48 | <axod> | why is ipv6 still not dead :/ |
| 10:48 | <axod> | it's like openID |
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| 10:49 | <straterra> | OpenID works fine |
| 10:50 | <axod> | it's a big failure |
| 10:50 | <axod> | users don't want it |
| 10:50 | <axod> | they don't care |
| 10:50 | <@mikegrb> | they don't know they want it |
| 10:50 | <mwalling> | exactly |
| 10:51 | <Solver> | like security |
| 10:51 | <Solver> | or backups |
| 10:51 | <Solver> | they don't know they want or need it until they _need_ it |
| 10:51 | <Solver> | its the sysadmins job to deal with that stuff |
| 10:52 | * | Solver was only taling about IPv6 - can't comment on OpenID :) |
| 10:58 | <DephNet[Paul]> | some people are retarded |
| 10:58 | <DephNet[Paul]> | <jamied> how do u get on 2 ur recycle bin on windows vista |
| 10:58 | <@caker> | alt-f4 |
| 10:59 | <DephNet[Paul]> | same guy asked how to reboot earlier |
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| 11:16 | <atourino> | hello all |
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| 11:23 | <panthar> | Is dallas85 getting slammed? |
| 11:24 | <panthar> | ls |
| 11:24 | <tjfontaine> | with angry texans |
| 11:25 | <panthar> | feels like it - my linode took forever to boot up |
| 11:30 | <@tasaro> | dallas85 looks fine |
| 11:39 | <panthar> | hm |
| 11:39 | <panthar> | mine seems really sluggish |
| 11:39 | <@caker> | wasn't panthar a Thundercat? |
| 11:40 | <panthar> | just add an 'o' |
| 11:40 | <panthar> | Err, actually I think it was Panthro? |
| 11:40 | <panthar> | hm |
| 11:40 | <panthar> | Been too long |
| 11:40 | <@caker> | that sounds right |
| 11:41 | <DephNet[Paul]> | yeah, it was Panthro |
| 11:41 | <@caker> | ancient spirits of evil |
| 11:41 | <@caker> | transform this decayed form |
| 11:42 | <@caker> | to MUMMMMMMMMM RAAA -- the ever. living! |
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| 11:43 | <DephNet[Paul]> | but i prefered Snarf |
| 11:43 | <atourino> | antiguos espiritus del man, transformen este cuerpo decadente en muuuuuuuuuuuunra, el inmortal! |
| 11:43 | <atourino> | i remember that chant in spanish |
| 11:43 | <@caker> | nice |
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| 11:47 | <tjfontaine> | srsly |
| 11:48 | <@tasaro> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftU5GfORvH8 |
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| 12:50 | <Twayne> | Where did all the Ninja's go? |
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| 12:53 | <mwalling> | <-------- that way |
| 12:58 | <Twayne> | :) |
| 13:04 | <linbot> | New news from forums: unresponsive console in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3670> |
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| 13:15 | <Toba> | problem with virtualized servers: sometimes you need to compile things and the host isn't completely unloaded. |
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| 13:22 | <webmastir> | mwalling |
| 13:22 | <webmastir> | you were correct |
| 13:22 | <webmastir> | dovecot > * |
| 13:22 | <webmastir> | :P |
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| 13:26 | * | mwalling bows |
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| 13:58 | <paul_> | ugh, thats the 5th im ive had to power cycle my wireless bridge today :@ |
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| 13:59 | <anderiv> | paul_: time to ugprade, eh? |
| 13:59 | <paul_> | well id rather drill a hole in the floor and run a cable to the router, but the landlord wont let me |
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| 14:16 | <Twayne> | my linode 1440 isn't handling 8.0 mb/s traffic well.. what should i do upgrade ram? |
| 14:16 | <anderiv> | Twayne: define "isn't handling". |
| 14:17 | <Twayne> | taking to long to load |
| 14:17 | <Twayne> | people asking for mirror's |
| 14:17 | <anderiv> | Twayne: a linode 360 should be able to handle 8.0 mb/s easily all day long without breaking a sweat. |
| 14:17 | <Twayne> | wtf |
| 14:17 | <anderiv> | Twayne: it's your code that's causing the problem....not the data. |
| 14:18 | <Twayne> | so my site is timing out because my code? |
| 14:18 | <Twayne> | i run reddit |
| 14:18 | <Twayne> | and reddit handles way more traffic than that |
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| 14:18 | <anderiv> | Twayne: they're also running on a load balanced cluster of several (perhaps dozens) of computers. |
| 14:18 | <Twayne> | my io is 1.4k |
| 14:18 | <Twayne> | do i need to do that? |
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| 14:19 | <mwalling> | 1.4k what |
| 14:19 | <Twayne> | my io avg |
| 14:19 | <anderiv> | 1.4 narwhals, clearly. |
| 14:19 | <Twayne> | 1.4k |
| 14:19 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:19 | <Twayne> | lol |
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| 14:19 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 14:19 | <Twayne> | well, my sites timing out, and i've gotta stop this from happening |
| 14:20 | <anderiv> | Twayne: find the bottleneck. It could be your httpd, it could be your disk, it could be your db. |
| 14:20 | <Twayne> | it won't time out at 6.0 mb/s but once we cross 7 and go to 8 it times out |
| 14:20 | <Twayne> | we optimized the db |
| 14:20 | <Twayne> | and apache |
| 14:20 | <anderiv> | Twayne: what cacheing are you doing? |
| 14:20 | <Twayne> | so could it be i just don't have enough ram? |
| 14:20 | <mwalling> | anderiv: whats this caching you speak of? |
| 14:20 | <anderiv> | or does your db get hit w/ every pageload? |
| 14:21 | <Twayne> | no, not every page load |
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| 14:21 | <Twayne> | it doesn't |
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| 14:21 | <Twayne> | my cpu is running at 60% as well |
| 14:23 | <Twayne> | so, should i upgrade ram? or do y'all think more optimizing? |
| 14:23 | <mwalling> | #2 |
| 14:23 | <anderiv> | agreed |
| 14:23 | <Twayne> | agreed? |
| 14:23 | <anderiv> | ...and work on more aggressive caching as well. |
| 14:23 | <Twayne> | ic |
| 14:24 | <anderiv> | Twayne: like I said before, your timeouts aren't about the data. Rather, it's being caused by whatever processing happens to be generating said data. |
| 14:24 | <Twayne> | ok |
| 14:25 | <Twayne> | well, how do you find the bottle neck? |
| 14:26 | <anderiv> | probably first, you need to find out whether your timeouts are being caused by apache or mysql. |
| 14:27 | <Twayne> | how do you do that? |
| 14:27 | <anderiv> | that's above my pay grade. |
| 14:27 | <anderiv> | :-) |
| 14:27 | <Twayne> | :) |
| 14:27 | <Twayne> | i'll have someone look into it |
| 14:35 | <straterra> | serve a static page |
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| 14:35 | <mwalling> | get another node and put a reverse proxy on it |
| 14:41 | <Twayne> | ? |
| 14:41 | <Twayne> | what would that do? |
| 14:41 | <anderiv> | !google reverse proxy |
| 14:41 | <linbot> | anderiv: Search took 0.18 seconds: Reverse proxy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_proxy>; Running a Reverse Proxy with Apache:: <http://www.apachetutor.org/admin/reverseproxies>; SANS Institute - A Reverse Proxy Is A Proxy By Any Other Name: <http://www.sans.org/reading_room/whitepapers/webservers/302.php>; Proxy and reverse proxy servers: (2 more messages) |
| 14:43 | <Twayne> | ic |
| 14:43 | <Twayne> | so i could use a 360 for a reverse proxy perhaps |
| 14:44 | <Twayne> | What would be an immediate solution right now though? through 180 mb ram on? |
| 14:44 | <anderiv> | Twayne: what's your current RAM usage? |
| 14:44 | <anderiv> | if that's not the problem, then throwing more ram at the server isn't likely to help anything |
| 14:45 | <Twayne> | how do i check? |
| 14:45 | * | anderiv can't help but think that you're in over your head. |
| 14:46 | <Twayne> | i have someone here at linode work on the server for me... he's not around right now.. and traffic is now 10mb/s |
| 14:46 | <Twayne> | timing out no good.. need quick fix for now |
| 14:46 | <mwalling> | linode provides managed support now? |
| 14:46 | * | mwalling agrees with anderiv |
| 14:46 | <anderiv> | no - it was a community member. |
| 14:47 | <Palintheus> | not everying can be fixed quickly |
| 14:47 | <anderiv> | hired by Twayne |
| 14:47 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:47 | <Twayne> | lol |
| 14:47 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 14:47 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 14:47 | <Twayne> | no |
| 14:47 | <Twayne> | someone here on linode |
| 14:48 | <Twayne> | community member like anderiv said |
| 14:48 | <anderiv> | I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you probably ought not touch anything on that server lest you break it. |
| 14:48 | <Twayne> | anderiv: what's the command to look at current ram |
| 14:48 | <Twayne> | anderiv: i won't, but if ram will fix this, i don't have to do anything but order |
| 14:48 | <anderiv> | ...and reboot the server. |
| 14:49 | <Twayne> | i know how to reboot the server |
| 14:49 | * | mwalling clapps |
| 14:49 | <Twayne> | linode console... reboot |
| 14:49 | <anderiv> | hah |
| 14:49 | <anderiv> | it's actually preferrable to use LPM or LISH to reboot. |
| 14:49 | * | Twayne slaps mwalling with my pimp hand for mocking me |
| 14:49 | <Twayne> | oh |
| 14:49 | <Twayne> | dammit |
| 14:50 | <anderiv> | fail |
| 14:50 | <Twayne> | :P ok, i'm cracking up now.. haha i'll just let my traffic keep timing out i guess.. cuz that's good for rep |
| 14:50 | <anderiv> | `free -m` will give you current aggregate memory usage. |
| 14:51 | <Twayne> | http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/7hmkm/well_the_lhc_just_lost_my_vote_for_greatest_human/ |
| 14:51 | <Twayne> | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 14:51 | <Twayne> | Mem: 1440 1365 74 0 164 69 |
| 14:51 | <Twayne> | -/+ buffers/cache: 1130 309 |
| 14:51 | <Twayne> | Swap: 255 5 250 |
| 14:51 | <anderiv> | looks like RAM isn't your issue. |
| 14:51 | <mwalling> | ram wont fix anything |
| 14:52 | <Twayne> | damn |
| 14:52 | <mwalling> | you're only using 5 megs of swap |
| 14:52 | <anderiv> | so again, what kind of caching are you doing? |
| 14:52 | <Twayne> | huh.. .the 5 megs is the swap |
| 14:52 | <Twayne> | no the ram right |
| 14:52 | <Twayne> | ? |
| 14:52 | <mwalling> | Twayne: you must be beating the bloody shit out of your db if you're pulling 1.4k ops/s and not thrashing swap |
| 14:52 | <Twayne> | mem: 74 free |
| 14:52 | <mwalling> | Twayne: no. 309 free. |
| 14:53 | <Twayne> | k |
| 14:53 | <Twayne> | is that the buffers/cache part |
| 14:53 | <Twayne> | what's that 74 for? |
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| 14:53 | <daniel> | Is there a way to block a website from being access across an entire network? |
| 14:54 | <anderiv> | Twayne: that's including disk cache, which you don't really need to worry about. |
| 14:54 | <anderiv> | daniel: huh? |
| 14:54 | <mwalling> | daniel: outbound traffic or inbound? |
| 14:54 | <daniel> | inbound |
| 14:54 | <anderiv> | daniel: nvm, misread your question :-) |
| 14:54 | <daniel> | It's not for my linode, it's for my personal network :P |
| 14:54 | <Twayne> | ic |
| 14:55 | <daniel> | roomate is on this flash website that allows u to create ur own music, he blasts it nonstop with the most annoying techno sounds. |
| 14:55 | <daniel> | There's gotta be a way for the router at least to block specific IPs from any kind of traffic yah? |
| 14:55 | <mwalling> | daniel: do you control a router between his machine and the website? |
| 14:55 | <daniel> | es |
| 14:55 | <daniel> | Well I don't atm, I mean I can |
| 14:55 | <mwalling> | what kinda router is it? (is it flashed with something like openwrt?) |
| 14:56 | * | anderiv proposes a more subversive solution: remove his sound card or disable it in BIOS. |
| 14:56 | <Twayne> | so how do you stop the db from taking a beatin?.. Also would the db cause time outs? |
| 14:56 | <anderiv> | Twayne: caching, caching, caching. |
| 14:56 | <descender> | revenge, nerd style |
| 14:56 | <mwalling> | 14:52 < anderiv> so again, what kind of caching are you doing? |
| 14:56 | <Twayne> | how do i make it caching? |
| 14:56 | <anderiv> | hah |
| 14:56 | <Twayne> | i donno! |
| 14:56 | <Twayne> | dunno |
| 14:56 | <daniel> | its linksys wrt600n |
| 14:56 | <anderiv> | you need to hire someone that knows what they're doing. |
| 14:57 | <mwalling> | 14:45 * anderiv can't help but think that you're in over your head. |
| 14:57 | <mwalling> | daniel: donno if the stock firmware can do it |
| 14:57 | <Twayne> | Damnit my whole damn site is down now.. shit! |
| 14:57 | <daniel> | mwalling, meh I'll try to take alook |
| 14:57 | * | anderiv is shocked. |
| 14:57 | <daniel> | i think i have to disable my locla apache first |
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| 14:58 | <anderiv> | Twayne: you still haven't answered my question. |
| 14:59 | <descender> | daniel, most routers come with HTTP administration panels and basic filtering capabilities. It should be trivial to block traffic |
| 14:59 | <daniel> | descender, thats what im trying to find out now |
| 14:59 | <daniel> | localhost doesnt work |
| 14:59 | <daniel> | but i know there are other things to type in meh |
| 15:00 | <anderiv> | daniel: type your default gateway IP into a web browser. |
| 15:00 | <Twayne> | anderiv: how do i answer this ? dunno how to look at it |
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| 15:01 | <anderiv> | Twayne: remember what I said about being in over your head? :-) |
| 15:01 | <descender> | daniel, what's the website btw? I'd like to annoy some people :p |
| 15:01 | <anderiv> | wtfurls.com |
| 15:01 | <daniel> | not sure yet, gonna go ask him soon tho |
| 15:01 | <mwalling> | anderiv: 14:55 < daniel> roomate is on this flash website that allows u to create ur own music, he blasts it nonstop with the most annoying techno sounds. |
| 15:01 | <Twayne> | yep |
| 15:01 | <Twayne> | http://wtfurls.com |
| 15:01 | <anderiv> | yah...just realized I had some crossed wires there... |
| 15:02 | * | anderiv does his best to help out Twayne's load situation. |
| 15:02 | <mwalling> | anderiv: failbus just pulled up |
| 15:02 | <Twayne> | here's the page that's getting the most traffic though |
| 15:02 | <Twayne> | http://wtfurls.com/daily/pics-images/705/just-when-you-thought-pizza-couldnt-get-more-fun-oh-yeah |
| 15:02 | <Twayne> | it's my blog |
| 15:02 | <Twayne> | textpattern |
| 15:02 | <daniel> | descender, how do I find out my gateway IP? |
| 15:02 | <daniel> | via command line using wlan0? |
| 15:02 | <anderiv> | daniel: what OS are you on? |
| 15:02 | <daniel> | ubuntu |
| 15:03 | <mwalling> | daniel: "route -n" |
| 15:03 | <descender> | daniel, route -n |
| 15:03 | <anderiv> | there you go |
| 15:03 | <mwalling> | and ubuntus not an operating system |
| 15:03 | <daniel> | ahh very easy thanks :) |
| 15:03 | <daniel> | Well i was gonna say linux |
| 15:03 | <anderiv> | mwalling: it's a way of life. |
| 15:03 | <anderiv> | :-) |
| 15:03 | <descender> | look for the line with UG |
| 15:03 | * | Twayne twayne gets on failbus |
| 15:03 | <daniel> | but then he may have asked me "Which distro?": etc. etc. |
| 15:03 | <daniel> | wooo go tit thanks :) |
| 15:03 | <anderiv> | daniel: that command would work on whatever linux distro you could be using. |
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| 15:04 | <daniel> | "Access Restrictions" hahaha |
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| 15:04 | * | Twayne yay, i've got mail, i've got mail.. yay |
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| 15:04 | <daniel> | woo it can block urls too :D and IP addresses ;) yuuuum |
| 15:04 | <daniel> | brb |
| 15:04 | <Gnrinc> | How stable/good are the dns servers hosted at linode? Does anyone here use them for their production sites? |
| 15:04 | <descender> | daniel, make sure you drop the packets so he has to keep retrying from timeouts |
| 15:04 | <anderiv> | Twayne: I think you need a bit more practice in talking about yourself in the first person. |
| 15:05 | <anderiv> | Gnrinc: I'm sure many people do. |
| 15:05 | <mwalling> | Gnrinc: never noticed a problem |
| 15:05 | <mwalling> | Gnrinc: each ns is in a seperate data center as well |
| 15:05 | <Twayne> | ha |
| 15:05 | <z3e0> | hello im looking for a VPS server to host a mysql database and some websites database is massive |
| 15:05 | <anderiv> | z3e0: define massive. |
| 15:05 | <RickyWh> | how many ip's do I get if I sign up for a vps? |
| 15:05 | <anderiv> | RickyWh: 1 |
| 15:06 | <anderiv> | RickyWh: you can purchase additional, though, with justification. |
| 15:06 | <Twayne> | anderiv: how about this.. what could i look at and capture so the guy who helps me with my linode will know what the prob is? |
| 15:06 | <z3e0> | well 5 GB mysql |
| 15:06 | <z3e0> | database |
| 15:06 | <RickyWh> | fee for extra's? and how about setting up rDNS? |
| 15:06 | <z3e0> | grow over time |
| 15:06 | <anderiv> | RickyWh: $1/mo/ip |
| 15:06 | <RickyWh> | cool |
| 15:06 | <mwalling> | RickyWh: $1/mo, rdns can be done from the control pannel |
| 15:06 | <anderiv> | RickyWh: there's an rDNS widget in your control panel. |
| 15:07 | <z3e0> | do you guys think i need a ded server to be able to get good speeds on a database that size |
| 15:07 | <z3e0> | ? |
| 15:07 | <anderiv> | z3e0: totally dependant on your use case. |
| 15:08 | <anderiv> | z3e0: order a 360, try it out. If it's not enough, upgrading to a larger plan is trivial. |
| 15:08 | <mwalling> | maybe a dedicated vps for mysql... maybe. but all you've said that the dataset is "massive". you could only be getting 1 hit/month |
| 15:08 | <z3e0> | well lets say 45 inserts a min |
| 15:08 | <z3e0> | and more lookups num rows etc |
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| 15:09 | <r3z> | Anyone use Amazon for storade? |
| 15:09 | <r3z> | storage |
| 15:09 | <r3z> | and have it mounted in a linode? |
| 15:09 | <z3e0> | its prob more like 1000 inserts a min |
| 15:09 | <anderiv> | hah |
| 15:09 | <anderiv> | z3e0: rouding error. It's okay. |
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| 15:12 | <anderiv> | Twayne: tell your "guy" that you need some sort of caching set up. The Reddit software *may* have something built-in, but if not, you'll need some other system. memcached perhaps? |
| 15:12 | <anderiv> | Twayne: or, like mwalling suggested, pick up another linode and set it up as a caching reverse proxy. |
| 15:12 | * | mwalling bows |
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| 15:13 | <Twayne> | k |
| 15:13 | <Twayne> | :) |
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| 15:23 | <sweh> | Heya.... |
| 15:23 | <b4> | i noticed unusuall high network uisage |
| 15:23 | <b4> | 7.11GB in 24 hours used |
| 15:23 | <Yaakov> | b4: Don't you have alerts set? |
| 15:24 | <sweh> | Is there a problem with freemont44 ? My linode has frozen. Not responding to network nor console (lish runs OK, but nothing appears when I hit return etc etc) |
| 15:24 | <b4> | and it's just sued 16.4 when i checked |
| 15:24 | <b4> | Yaakov, none set D: |
| 15:24 | <b4> | i wish i knew what was using soo much bandwith |
| 15:24 | <anderiv> | b4: fire up tcpdump or ntop and find out. |
| 15:24 | <JWright> | perhaps you got root'd and are serving pr0n/wares? |
| 15:25 | <JWright> | easy enough to find out... |
| 15:26 | <b4> | how do you close ntop? |
| 15:27 | <@tasaro> | sweh: fremont44 looks good |
| 15:27 | <@tasaro> | sweh: try rebooting into 2.6.27.4-linode14 |
| 15:28 | <daniel> | descender, here: tony-b.org |
| 15:28 | <sweh> | Is there a known hang situation with the normal "latest" kernel? Or is this a "hope and pray" thing? :-) |
| 15:29 | <daniel> | Twayne, do you own wtfurls.com? |
| 15:29 | <r3z> | b4 ctrl+c works. |
| 15:30 | <b4> | not here |
| 15:30 | <anderiv> | Twayne: you're using mediatemple as a registrar? |
| 15:31 | <daniel> | Hahahah I blocked the website! :D ill no longer be annoyed :D |
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| 15:31 | * | anderiv wanders off to clean the server room. |
| 15:32 | <z3e0> | did you guys make lish? |
| 15:33 | <b4> | eth0 entered promiscuous mode[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[audit(1228509107.611:6): dev=eth0 prom=256 old_prom=0 auid=4294967295 |
| 15:33 | <b4> | what does that eman? |
| 15:33 | <straterra> | which part? |
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| 15:33 | <b4> | eth0 entered promiscuous mode |
| 15:33 | <straterra> | Your interface entered promiscuous mode.. |
| 15:33 | <straterra> | aka, tcpdump |
| 15:34 | <b4> | oh |
| 15:34 | <b4> | tcpdump shows no reason for such high bandwith usage |
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| 15:35 | <Yaakov> | b4: It means it will listen for any traffic that it can hear, not just unicast (to you), multicast (to your group(s)) or broadcast (to everyone). |
| 15:35 | <Yaakov> | In this case, it will be no different since you are on a switch. |
| 15:36 | <Yaakov> | b4: How about your Apache logs? |
| 15:36 | <b4> | 234 packets dropped by kernel |
| 15:36 | <mwalling> | z3e0: yes, they created lish. |
| 15:36 | <b4> | Yaakov, nothign unusual there |
| 15:36 | <b4> | nor on IRC |
| 15:37 | <b4> | nor do i have any active downlaods |
| 15:37 | <b4> | no high laod averages... |
| 15:37 | <Yaakov> | netstat -ta ? |
| 15:37 | <straterra> | 234 packets arent that many |
| 15:37 | <b4> | nothing unusual in netstat |
| 15:38 | <daniel> | <daniel> Twayne, do you own wtfurls.com? |
| 15:38 | <daniel> | <daniel> descender, here: tony-b.org |
| 15:38 | <mwalling> | argh! |
| 15:38 | <mwalling> | i miss lilo |
| 15:38 | <sweh> | Hmm, tasaro... re my freeze. Nothing in any log files. /var/log/messages and my web server logs shows nothing after 14:50. Reboot took over 2 minutes (a sign of a hung machine not responding to UMLs c-a-d signal?). No errors logged. Just a hard freeze. Hmm... Oh well, the new experimental kernel is now running... let's see how it goes :-) |
| 15:38 | <mwalling> | the bootloader, not the person |
| 15:39 | <sweh> | lilo? Feh... in my day we hard coded the boot partition into the kernel and were glad of it :-) |
| 15:39 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 15:40 | * | StevenK still remembers using rdev |
| 15:40 | <mwalling> | i tried adding something to the kopt line (ht=on), ran update-grub, rebooted, and its still not in the cmdline |
| 15:40 | <b4> | <pie> <DnTVideos> tell b4 if he didnt zline me for no reason, i wouldnt of ddosed it |
| 15:40 | <b4> | that could explain bandwiht usage |
| 15:40 | <b4> | but why is it still high with no lag... |
| 15:40 | <mwalling> | b4: cause you got big pipes |
| 15:40 | <Yaakov> | b4: Yes, it would. |
| 15:41 | <mwalling> | and DnTVideos sucks at being a skiddy |
| 15:41 | <Yaakov> | mwalling: Get a room! |
| 15:41 | <mwalling> | ? |
| 15:41 | <mwalling> | i'm sitting in one |
| 15:41 | <Yaakov> | < mwalling> b4: cause you got big pipes |
| 15:41 | <b4> | i shoudl stop it before he uses all my bandwith |
| 15:41 | <b4> | 10GB used in about 7 hours |
| 15:42 | <sweh> | update-grub? Why would you need to do that? Just edit /boot/grub/grub.conf (or wherever your distro puts grub.conf) and that's it. |
| 15:42 | <Yaakov> | Talk to Linode staff about it. |
| 15:42 | <sweh> | No need, unlike lilo, to rebuild the boot maps each time. |
| 15:42 | <mwalling> | sweh: oh... well, it still didnt take |
| 15:42 | <mwalling> | !calc (10 / 7) * 24 * 30 |
| 15:42 | <linbot> | mwalling: (10 / 7) * 24 * 30 = 1,028.57143 |
| 15:42 | <sweh> | If you didn't update the grub.conf file then it won't have saved anything. |
| 15:43 | <mwalling> | sweh: did that part first |
| 15:43 | <mwalling> | http://www.livingubuntu.com/?p=41 |
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| 15:43 | <mwalling> | did what he said |
| 15:43 | <tjfontaine> | enf enf |
| 15:43 | <sweh> | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 15:44 | <mwalling> | root=UUID=67773183-7f25-452a-bbdc-e2ab29bb2276 ro quiet splash |
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| 15:44 | <mwalling> | oh |
| 15:44 | <mwalling> | nvm... i missed the line where it says: ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs |
| 15:44 | * | mwalling tries again |
| 15:44 | <guinea-pig> | heh |
| 15:45 | <mwalling> | you shush |
| 15:45 | <sweh> | OK, "update-grub" may be a debian/ubuntu specific thing that rewrites your grub.conf for you. |
| 15:45 | <guinea-pig> | mwalling: i know that config. what is it? |
| 15:45 | <mwalling> | guinea-pig: trying to turn on hyperthreading |
| 15:46 | <mwalling> | sweh: i'd be using slack, but that imediatly resets my BusIndex for this project to 1 |
| 15:46 | <b4> | what should i do!? usage is still going up |
| 15:47 | <mwalling> | b4: not zline a wannabe skiddy |
| 15:47 | <bd_> | b4: You're being ddossed? |
| 15:47 | <sweh> | On my (home) Centos machine, an entry would look like |
| 15:47 | <b4> | bd_, the guy said he was ddosing me |
| 15:47 | <sweh> | title CentOS (2.6.18-92.1.18.el5PAE) |
| 15:47 | <sweh> | root (hd0,2) |
| 15:47 | <sweh> | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-92.1.18.el5PAE ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet |
| 15:47 | <sweh> | initrd /initrd-2.6.18-92.1.18.el5PAE.img |
| 15:47 | <sweh> | So to add the "hyperthreading" option, I'd modify the "kernel" line |
| 15:47 | <sweh> | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-92.1.18.el5PAE ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet ht=on |
| 15:47 | <sweh> | It's possible the debian code is reading comments and building the necessary lines for you. |
| 15:47 | <Yaakov> | Talk to Linode staff about it. |
| 15:47 | <bd_> | (10 gigabytes) / (7 hours) = 416.101587 kBps |
| 15:47 | <bd_> | not much of a ddos, heh |
| 15:48 | <b4> | bd_, 16GB over ~36 hours |
| 15:48 | <bd_> | haha |
| 15:48 | <b4> | and i've downlaoded almost nothing |
| 15:48 | <bd_> | talk about a wimpy ddos |
| 15:48 | <bd_> | (16 gigabytes) / (36 hours) = 129.453827 kBps |
| 15:48 | <bd_> | anyway |
| 15:48 | <bd_> | b4: that's a bit over 330 GB per month |
| 15:48 | <bd_> | so... what I'd do is just wait it out |
| 15:49 | <b4> | i have 400GB available |
| 15:49 | <bd_> | hah, ignore it then :D |
| 15:49 | <mwalling> | b4: he'll get bored |
| 15:49 | <mwalling> | sweh: aparently you edit this comment, run this voodoo-box, and your grub lines get updated with the comment |
| 15:49 | <b4> | and it's nto going up anymore |
| 15:49 | <bd_> | If you go over your quota you can always pay a bit extra for a quota extension after all |
| 15:49 | <b4> | plus...another ISP foudn otu abotu an attack |
| 15:49 | <b4> | and proxy IPs are beign sent to the FBI |
| 15:49 | <bd_> | b4: ? |
| 15:50 | <bd_> | anyway it sounds like this idiot was just blasting you from his home computer's network connection or something |
| 15:50 | <b4> | he has DSL |
| 15:50 | <bd_> | given that that rate isn't even remotely near DDoS levels |
| 15:50 | <b4> | he can't keep a constant connetcion as he gets a new IP like every week |
| 15:50 | <bd_> | b4: yeah, any linode will just shrug off a single DSL connection going flat out :D |
| 15:51 | <sweh> | mwalling; grub is better than lilo... but when you get stupid wrapper programs then you can take anything and overcomplicate things :-) |
| 15:51 | <bd_> | not sure what you mean with those proxy IPs or whatever |
| 15:51 | <mwalling> | argh... |
| 15:51 | <b4> | someone else who runs the IRC network im running a server to also got DDoS'd |
| 15:52 | <b4> | possibly a coincidence |
| 15:52 | <mwalling> | still only showing 1 processor |
| 15:52 | <sweh> | what does /proc/cmdline show now? |
| 15:52 | <mwalling> | root=UUID=67773183-7f25-452a-bbdc-e2ab29bb2276 ro ht=on quiet splash |
| 15:52 | <mwalling> | its there |
| 15:52 | <sweh> | That's a good start, then :-) |
| 15:53 | <sweh> | What's /proc/cpuinfo show? Just one CPU? What are the flags? |
| 15:53 | <bd_> | b4: was it another 129 kBps trickle? >.> |
| 15:53 | <mwalling> | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm up pebs bts |
| 15:53 | <b4> | bd_, the ISP's servers blocked it |
| 15:53 | <bd_> | heh |
| 15:53 | <sweh> | And this is a 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:54 | <mwalling> | Linux n1 2.6.24-22-server #1 SMP Mon Nov 24 19:14:19 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:54 | <sweh> | Ah... is hyperthreading turned on in the BIOS? Some machines disable it at boot time 'cos of the security issue. I hit that with a Dell a few years back. |
| 15:54 | <mwalling> | this is a dell... |
| 15:54 | * | mwalling takes a walk |
| 15:55 | <scott> | when these boots go walking |
| 15:55 | <scott> | walking is what they do |
| 15:55 | <Clorith> | so I bought cat5e today |
| 15:56 | <b4> | what makes it special? |
| 15:56 | <Clorith> | and the rj-45's, the puncher tool and the crimper or whatever it's called, can't rememebr the name of it |
| 15:56 | <scott> | thingamajig |
| 15:57 | <Clorith> | http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=100331 that thinkamajig |
| 15:57 | <Clorith> | except mine is prettier |
| 15:57 | <scott> | why didnt you get cat6e? |
| 15:57 | <Yaakov> | It's a crimping tool. |
| 15:57 | <Clorith> | and has like a lock mechanism so I can lock it and twirl it around once to cut isolations |
| 15:57 | <Yaakov> | Or, a krympetang. |
| 15:57 | <Clorith> | why would i get cat6e ? |
| 15:57 | <scott> | 10gige? |
| 15:57 | <Clorith> | Yaakov is scandinavian ? |
| 15:58 | <Clorith> | scott, I'm not wasting that much money on my family |
| 15:58 | <scott> | cheapo |
| 15:58 | <Clorith> | if they want cat6e they can buy the bloody wires the mself |
| 15:58 | <Yaakov> | No, I am quite un-Scandanavian! |
| 15:58 | <Clorith> | I see |
| 15:58 | <b4> | i have cat6 cables |
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| 15:58 | <b4> | i think my desktop is on one |
| 15:58 | <scott> | see? |
| 15:59 | <scott> | b4++ |
| 15:59 | <Clorith> | yeah well, they're not worthy cat6 |
| 15:59 | <guinea-pig> | i have cat-nonexistant. yay for wifi :P |
| 15:59 | <Yaakov> | Clorith: I do not snakker der norsk at all, actually. |
| 15:59 | <b4> | guinea-pig, !!! |
| 15:59 | <b4> | N? |
| 15:59 | <Clorith> | haha |
| 15:59 | <scott> | i think he's a G |
| 15:59 | <guinea-pig> | ? |
| 15:59 | <Clorith> | I have a wifi N as well =P |
| 15:59 | <scott> | guinea-pig: 802.11? |
| 15:59 | <Clorith> | except N is disabled if there are any G receivers in range |
| 15:59 | <Yaakov> | CAT5e will do GigE at home distances. |
| 15:59 | <Clorith> | which sucks |
| 16:00 | <guinea-pig> | my wifi is faster than my net connection. anything beyond that is wasted |
| 16:00 | <Clorith> | my wifi can't handle my net connection...how sad is that |
| 16:00 | <scott> | Yaakov: only up to 300M |
| 16:00 | <Clorith> | scott, only up to 100m |
| 16:00 | <Clorith> | utp cables go haywire if you exceed 100m at once |
| 16:00 | <b4> | i wnat to use my local connetcion to it's max |
| 16:00 | <scott> | yes, 100 meters |
| 16:00 | <Yaakov> | scott: If you have a house where you are making > 100m runs, you can afford CAT7. |
| 16:00 | <guinea-pig> | heheh |
| 16:01 | <X1938> | hello everyone. |
| 16:01 | <scott> | im talking megabits, you freaks |
| 16:01 | <b4> | how do i test my local network connetcions max stable speed? |
| 16:01 | <Clorith> | if you have a house where yo uneed more then 100m runs, you should probably invest in an entire bloody infrastructure |
| 16:01 | <guinea-pig> | very true, Yaakov |
| 16:01 | <guinea-pig> | and a tech to maintain it for you |
| 16:01 | <Clorith> | yup |
| 16:01 | <b4> | i need a use for an old router+DSL modem |
| 16:02 | <b4> | i was thinking doorstop/toy |
| 16:02 | <Yaakov> | Target |
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| 16:02 | <Clorith> | so onwards |
| 16:02 | <Clorith> | I might be getting switches for free |
| 16:02 | <Clorith> | and I think I might invest in a proper cisco router for this (mainly because I maintain the internets and I want something reliable) |
| 16:03 | <Clorith> | so that jsut leaves the wall-jacks |
| 16:03 | <straterra> | Ew..cisco |
| 16:03 | <Clorith> | :o |
| 16:03 | <Clorith> | die. |
| 16:03 | <straterra> | Cisco is so...ass backwards |
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| 16:04 | <sweh> | No, "ass" backwards is "ssa". And Americans know all about the Social Security Administration (SSA). |
| 16:04 | <Clorith> | I bought a crossword magazine today |
| 16:04 | <guinea-pig> | back asswards |
| 16:04 | <mwalling> | argh |
| 16:04 | <Clorith> | I was tryign to do the newspaper one, and only managed 1 word |
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| 16:04 | <mwalling> | i cant find a bios option related to ht |
| 16:05 | <Clorith> | I felt bad about my self, so I bought a childrens crossword mag to build self esteem |
| 16:05 | <b4> | i can get a cisco router for $50 |
| 16:05 | <guinea-pig> | is there one? |
| 16:05 | <sweh> | What model Dell is it? |
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| 16:05 | <mwalling> | precision 340 |
| 16:05 | <mwalling> | bios A07 |
| 16:05 | <b4> | A07!? |
| 16:05 | <b4> | i think my XPS T600 runs A07 |
| 16:06 | <b4> | i need to install centos |
| 16:06 | <b4> | for uh...xen tetsing |
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| 16:07 | <b4> | $60 for 2 switches and a router: http://columbus.craigslist.org/sys/946431557.html |
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| 16:09 | <mwalling> | if the cpu had the ht flag, then it supports hyperthreading, right? thats not just something that was slapped on every p4 that rolled off the line? |
| 16:09 | <straterra> | No.. |
| 16:10 | <straterra> | My Core 2 Quad has HT flag..and no hyperthread |
| 16:10 | <mwalling> | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz |
| 16:10 | <sweh> | Hmm.... Dunno. My pentium 4D has "ht" but no hyperthreading (it's dual core). |
| 16:10 | * | mwalling goes digging through boxes... i think i remember some p4 case badges having "H T" printed on them |
| 16:11 | <Yaakov> | My single-core P4 has an ht flag. |
| 16:11 | * | HoopyCat sets beer_req high |
| 16:11 | <mwalling> | maybe if i sitck a case badge on it will work? |
| 16:11 | <b4> | " |
| 16:11 | <b4> | Free black Dell 17" Computer Monitor. Bought a flat screen, need this one gone. " |
| 16:12 | <HoopyCat> | b4: sorry, $5/each to dispose of |
| 16:12 | <Yaakov> | We have bunches of 21" tubes, a big pain. |
| 16:13 | <b4> | >< |
| 16:13 | <b4> | $160 for an iMac G4 |
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| 16:13 | <Yaakov> | We sell G4's in surplus for ~50 bucks. |
| 16:13 | <Yaakov> | But you have to show up in person. |
| 16:14 | <b4> | what country? |
| 16:14 | <Yaakov> | I have six blue towers that are about to be shipped off to surplus. |
| 16:14 | <Yaakov> | US |
| 16:14 | <b4> | what state |
| 16:14 | <Yaakov> | Great Lakes region, near Lake Michigan. |
| 16:14 | <b4> | $20 for a dialup modem |
| 16:15 | <b4> | $15 for a used computer chair |
| 16:15 | <HoopyCat> | which end of lake michigan? |
| 16:15 | <Yaakov> | The good end! |
| 16:15 | <Yaakov> | About 75 air miles from Chicago. |
| 16:15 | <HoopyCat> | snowshoes or concrete shoes? :-) |
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| 16:16 | <b4> | why would i fly/drive form ohio to michigan to buy an iMac for $50? |
| 16:16 | <b4> | i expect it to be free then. |
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| 16:16 | <Zelonox> | Hi |
| 16:16 | <Zelonox> | I wonder if it's possible to get customized extras |
| 16:17 | <b4> | talk to staff |
| 16:17 | <paul_> | yes it is |
| 16:17 | <Zelonox> | like instead of 100GB bandwidth for $10, maybe 20GB bandwidth for $2 |
| 16:17 | <Zelonox> | stuff like that |
| 16:17 | <Yaakov> | Oh, people from Ohio are prohibited! |
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| 16:17 | <straterra> | What about Indiana? |
| 16:17 | <sweh> | Oh ha-de-bloody-ha. It seems that "ht" _does_ mean that hyperthreading is available... but says nothing about the number of threads. So it's possible to have a 1thread ht machine. Feh. |
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| 16:18 | <Yaakov> | Ohio, Deleware and New Mexico are right out. Anyone else is welcome! |
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| 16:18 | <mwalling> | sweh: you have to be effing kidding. |
| 16:18 | <HoopyCat> | Zelonox: probably something to drop a mail to service@linode.com about if noone from staff is active on IRC right now |
| 16:18 | <mwalling> | sweh: that sounds like something that ms would pull |
| 16:18 | <straterra> | Uhm..a hyperthread machine still only processes 1 thread at a time.. |
| 16:18 | <straterra> | s/machine/proc |
| 16:19 | <HoopyCat> | sweh: it's also possible to disable hyperthreading in the BIOS, and i *think* it still shows the ht flag |
| 16:19 | <sweh> | http://www.mail-archive.com/opensuse-factory@opensuse.org/msg06876.html |
| 16:19 | * | atourino processes HoopyCat's hyperthread |
| 16:19 | <sweh> | HoopyCat... yeah, I already mentioned that to mwalling. |
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| 16:19 | <straterra> | sweh: ht flag isn't hyperthreading |
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| 16:19 | <b4> | dell poweredge for $70 |
| 16:19 | <HoopyCat> | b4: what model? |
| 16:20 | <b4> | 300 |
| 16:20 | <HoopyCat> | b4: even better, what's the service tag? |
| 16:20 | <b4> | no idea |
| 16:20 | <b4> | i found it on craigslist |
| 16:20 | <b4> | "hi, this is a Dell PowerEdge 300. it hat dual Pentium 3 processors. taken from system information and defrag, processor speed= 797MHz... memory= 896MB... hard drive size= 37.27GB... has two CD drives. one records CDs and the other plays DVDs. price is for the tower only. (614) 875-3118 Jon . thanks" |
| 16:20 | <HoopyCat> | b4: that's getting into boatanchor territory |
| 16:21 | <b4> | my home server is worse |
| 16:21 | <b4> | single PIII 600MHZ 512MB ram 200GB HDD |
| 16:21 | <straterra> | My home server is an AMD64 |
| 16:21 | <sweh> | straterra... no, hyperthreading means that the CPU can schedule different threads to run concurrently... as long as they are using different parts of the core. It's not the same as two cores, and there are many points in the execution path where one thread may have to wait for another, but in some common cases both threads _can_ run concurrently. |
| 16:21 | <HoopyCat> | b4: 512mb is plenty of RAM, and the 200GB disk is probably dandy :-) |
| 16:22 | <b4> | it's a wester digital |
| 16:22 | <b4> | "McAfee VirusScan 2006 - $20 - (Dublin) pic" |
| 16:22 | <HoopyCat> | mine's a stromberg-carlson |
| 16:22 | <b4> | $5 fpr a flash dirve |
| 16:22 | <b4> | and i have an IBM detahstar that won't die |
| 16:22 | <sweh> | Intel's (old) version of this was pretty craptastic. Sun's version in the Niagra and Niagra II chips is pretty good. |
| 16:23 | <b4> | HoopyCat, http://columbus.craigslist.org/sys/944822660.html pwns |
| 16:23 | <b4> | TRADE!? |
| 16:23 | <b4> | wuill they take a PIII... |
| 16:23 | <HoopyCat> | b4: yeah, that's worth waking up for |
| 16:24 | <HoopyCat> | b4: gonna be loud as hell |
| 16:24 | <sweh> | Sorry, niagara; I can never spell that right. |
| 16:24 | <b4> | HoopyCat, D: |
| 16:24 | <sweh> | The Niagara 3 chip will have 16 cores and 16 threads per core... 256 virtual CPUs. Whoo! |
| 16:24 | <b4> | my desktop is quiet |
| 16:24 | <b4> | with 2 fans |
| 16:25 | <b4> | 21" CRT $25 |
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| 16:25 | <sweh> | b4... don't you have to pay someone $25 to take that sort of CRT off your hands? :-) |
| 16:25 | <b4> | i dont' wnat to buy it. |
| 16:25 | <b4> | i wnat a " LCD3 |
| 16:26 | <HoopyCat> | b4: rackmount servers generally have higher-velocity fans, esp. 1U servers... there's gotta be a lot of air and it has to move quickly to keep the CPUs happy, which means there's a lot of noise |
| 16:26 | <b4> | but thats a U |
| 16:26 | <b4> | 2U* |
| 16:26 | <Yaakov> | Many servers have desktop fan control programs now. |
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| 16:26 | <Yaakov> | Easier to live with. |
| 16:26 | <b4> | i want it |
| 16:26 | <b4> | i cna insulate it |
| 16:26 | <b4> | or put it in a corner |
| 16:27 | <HoopyCat> | 2U servers are also fairly loud |
| 16:27 | <Yaakov> | You can keep them from running full speed all the time. |
| 16:27 | <HoopyCat> | but yeah, Yaakov's got the good ones |
| 16:27 | <b4> | i doubt they woudl trade a rackmount for a PIII600MHZ 512MB ram |
| 16:27 | <Yaakov> | In my machine room I jut run them as servers. But when I am building them in the lab... |
| 16:29 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: i used to love running a supermicro 1U on my bench for a few days. then, suddenly, one day, i'd power it off and everyone would involuntarily freak out because of the sudden, deafening silence |
| 16:29 | <b4> | who would trade a 2U rackmount for a 9 year old dell |
| 16:29 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Heh, I use Supermicros. |
| 16:29 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Whoosh! |
| 16:30 | <Yaakov> | I currently have some no-name 1U dual Xenon box in my OFFICE. Fortunately, it isn't a specially loud one, but, I will be very pleased when I move it to the machine room. |
| 16:30 | <b4> | linode uses sueprmicros right? |
| 16:31 | <b4> | Xenon! |
| 16:31 | <Yaakov> | I alread have a Dual G5 tower, two Dell towers, and a Lenovo tower in there. |
| 16:31 | <b4> | i want that 2U rack :( |
| 16:32 | <b4> | but it's worth more than the 9 yera old dell |
| 16:32 | <Yaakov> | Xeon, too. |
| 16:33 | <Yaakov> | I still love the Compaq Proliants, even if they are antiques. |
| 16:33 | <b4> | Would you trade a rakcmount for a 9 year ld dell? |
| 16:33 | <HoopyCat> | huh, don knuth's middle name is "ervin" |
| 16:33 | <tjfontaine> | I thought it was God? |
| 16:34 | <Yaakov> | Heh: http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-OF-10-COMPAQ-PROLIANT-XEON-SERVERS-REFURBISHED_W0QQitemZ270313539903QQcategoryZ51215QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:34 | <HoopyCat> | AUTHOR: Knuth, Donald Ervin |
| 16:34 | <Yaakov> | b4: Here you go: http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-PROLIANT-DL380-XEON-2-8GHz-1GB-36GB-x2-SERVER_W0QQitemZ270313549304QQcategoryZ51215QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:34 | <b4> | 1 cent for shipping? |
| 16:35 | <HoopyCat> | b4: read the fine print |
| 16:35 | <HoopyCat> | namely, the big, bold, highlighted, fine print |
| 16:35 | <Oli``> | Anyone here have any experience with cherokee and django? |
| 16:36 | <HoopyCat> | i've heard of both cherokee and django, but that's about it |
| 16:37 | <Oli``> | =) |
| 16:37 | <b4> | i wnat that 2U rackmount |
| 16:37 | <b4> | but i don't wanna pay |
| 16:37 | <b4> | i wanna trade the PIII |
| 16:37 | <mwalling> | my friend drives a cherokee, and i've worked on django while sitting in his car |
| 16:37 | <HoopyCat> | i'll trade you a ball of pocket lint wednesday for a filet mignon burger with gold-dipped curly fries today, b4 |
| 16:37 | <Yaakov> | b4: I have about a dozen Dell PIIIs which are fully operational trash. |
| 16:38 | <b4> | Yaakov, but mine has a 200GB HDD! |
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| 16:38 | <HoopyCat> | fine print: please note that i consider my navel a "pocket" for purposes of collecting pocket lint |
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| 16:39 | <dfisher> | has anyone here setup their dns to use third party mail forwarding? |
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| 16:39 | <mwalling> | dfisher: like googleapps? |
| 16:40 | * | b4 uses google appps |
| 16:40 | <HoopyCat> | dfisher: describe what you're after and someone probably has |
| 16:40 | <dfisher> | like with a register...i'm using gandi |
| 16:40 | <dfisher> | https://www.gandi.net/faq/view_question/777 |
| 16:40 | <Yaakov> | Here's a bargain on a 200GB harddrive! http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8048404&oext=1038A&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=8048404 |
| 16:40 | <straterra> | 200gb..tiny |
| 16:41 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: that gcalcli thing, btw... how's it working out for you? thinking of using it for my thermostat project |
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| 16:41 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: havent touched it since i filed that report... dont remember why |
| 16:41 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: never got back into it |
| 16:41 | <Yaakov> | The price is misleading, but it looks funny. |
| 16:41 | <mwalling> | (ive switched to my linode since then( |
| 16:42 | <HoopyCat> | dfisher: looks pretty simple and doable |
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| 16:42 | * | HoopyCat digs through the screenshot collection |
| 16:42 | <dfisher> | my first time managing dns....and the vocab is new to me |
| 16:43 | <Yaakov> | Well, it's almost Shabbos here. |
| 16:43 | <Yaakov> | I will soon turn to a pumpkin. |
| 16:43 | <b4> | i need to print the 1and1 privayc policy |
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| 16:44 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: customary jewish sunset-friday well-wishes |
| 16:44 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Thanks. |
| 16:44 | <Yaakov> | Winter... I am just glad I am not Clorith's neighbor! |
| 16:44 | <Yaakov> | Nothing against Clorith, mind you. |
| 16:44 | <dfisher> | so what does this mean: change the zone of your primary nameserver |
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| 16:45 | <b4> | change the zone of your primary zne server. |
| 16:45 | <b4> | nameserver* |
| 16:45 | <HoopyCat> | dfisher: in the DNS manager, you'll want to add an MX record... hostname: "spool.mail.gandi.net", priority 10, subdomain blank, TTL default |
| 16:45 | <HoopyCat> | dfisher: note the lack of a . on the hostname -- the DNS manager adds that for you, despite gandi's warnings otherwise |
| 16:46 | <dfisher> | heh....that was going to be my first try...but i didn't want to break things |
| 16:46 | <dfisher> | thanks |
| 16:46 | <HoopyCat> | dfisher: likewise, you'll probably want to add the optional CNAME records they mention... hostname "pop", aliases to "access.mail.gandi.net", and so forth. again, no dot :-) |
| 16:47 | <Yaakov> | *poof* |
| 16:47 | <b4> | *unpoof* |
| 16:47 | <tjfontaine> | kaboom |
| 16:52 | <Clorith> | Yaakov, your just jelaus of my awesome weather! |
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| 17:04 | <Isvara> | I need help! Is anyone on IPv6? |
| 17:04 | <HoopyCat> | generally, yes |
| 17:04 | <Isvara> | Can you ping 2001:8b0:3d3::2? |
| 17:05 | <HoopyCat> | yes indeed |
| 17:05 | <Isvara> | How about 3? |
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| 17:05 | <HoopyCat> | ... nope |
| 17:05 | <Isvara> | Hmm. Bugger. |
| 17:06 | <HoopyCat> | last hop to ::3 is 2001:8b0:0:81::51bb:5148 |
| 17:06 | <Isvara> | I had something configured on my home router, but I hadn't saved it. Since I rebooted it... yeah. |
| 17:06 | <Isvara> | It was something to do with putting an IPv6 address on ppp0, I think. |
| 17:06 | <Isvara> | Although it does have one. |
| 17:06 | <HoopyCat> | bugga |
| 17:08 | <Isvara> | I don't understand why ::2 would make it to my router by ::3 wouldn't. |
| 17:08 | <Isvara> | s/by/but/ |
| 17:09 | <HoopyCat> | is ::2 your router? |
| 17:10 | <Isvara> | Yeah |
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| 17:10 | <Isvara> | On its LAN interface. |
| 17:10 | <HoopyCat> | ok, hmm. |
| 17:10 | <mwalling> | got return routes? |
| 17:11 | * | atourino wants milk |
| 17:11 | <mwalling> | atourino: return routes make you want milk? |
| 17:11 | <Isvara> | mwalling: Where, and for which address? |
| 17:11 | <mwalling> | whats ::3? |
| 17:12 | <Isvara> | ::3 is my Mac |
| 17:12 | <mwalling> | can your mac ping your router? |
| 17:12 | <Isvara> | Yeah |
| 17:12 | <mwalling> | can your mac ping $WORLD? |
| 17:12 | <atourino> | mwalling: no, the parallel between the phrase got return routes? and got milk? triggered it :D |
| 17:12 | <Isvara> | No. But the router can. |
| 17:13 | <mwalling> | Isvara: how far does a traceroute from the mac get? |
| 17:13 | <mwalling> | alternativly, if you burp some UDP packets in the general direction of the mac from your router, does your mac see them? |
| 17:14 | <mwalling> | er, not from the router... from world |
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| 17:14 | <Isvara> | Hmm. traceroute6 to ipv6.google.com from the mac gets... nowhere. |
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| 17:15 | <mwalling> | Isvara: whats "route -6" or the mac equiv show? |
| 17:16 | <Isvara> | http://p.linode.com/1541 |
| 17:16 | <mwalling> | fsck |
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| 17:17 | <Humpaah> | Are linode's dom0s 64bits? |
| 17:17 | <mwalling> | Humpaah: afaik, yes |
| 17:17 | <mwalling> | Humpaah: the domUs can be either 32 or 64 though |
| 17:18 | <Humpaah> | does that mean there's any good reason to favor 64bits domUs? |
| 17:18 | <mwalling> | no |
| 17:19 | <Humpaah> | might as well not waste ram for no reason then :) |
| 17:20 | <Isvara> | I will address (ha!) this again after food. Thanks for looking. |
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| 17:20 | <Twayne> | HoopyCat: are your feelings still hurt from yesterday? |
| 17:20 | <mwalling> | Isvara: whats the router, and is the router forwarding? |
| 17:20 | <mwalling> | ah, crap |
| 17:20 | <HoopyCat> | huh? when were my feelings hurt? :-) |
| 17:21 | * | Twayne pimp slaps you again |
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| 17:21 | <atourino> | maybe you confuse him with SpaceHobo? |
| 17:21 | <atourino> | I do that a lot |
| 17:21 | <Twayne> | I pimped slapped ya yesterday and then you just disappeared.. mwalling said you were off crying |
| 17:22 | <mwalling> | i said what? |
| 17:22 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 17:22 | <Twayne> | lol |
| 17:22 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 17:22 | <Twayne> | oh, sorry mwalling... maybe it was "path" that said that.. none the less |
| 17:22 | <mwalling> | well, does path- look anything like mwalling ? |
| 17:23 | <Twayne> | no ;P |
| 17:23 | <HoopyCat> | i've spent nearly 29 days in this channel without leaving; much of that is spent doing other things :-) |
| 17:23 | <Twayne> | so i see |
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| 17:33 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 17:33 | <Internat> | lol |
| 17:33 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
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| 17:39 | <Shree> | Hi... Its the first time on Linode. |
| 17:39 | <Shree> | Quick question from a nooby on Linode.... |
| 17:40 | <mwalling> | !ask |
| 17:40 | <linbot> | Don't ask to ask; just ASK |
| 17:40 | <Internat> | quick answer. |
| 17:40 | <Shree> | Just created a new configuration, Launched it... Do I need to do something to start sshd on the server. |
| 17:40 | <Internat> | yep |
| 17:40 | <Internat> | install it :) |
| 17:40 | <mwalling> | Internat: no... |
| 17:41 | <mwalling> | Shree: no, ssh is one of the only things installed in the templates, and should be set to start automaticly |
| 17:42 | <Internat> | u sure? |
| 17:42 | <mwalling> | Internat: deploy a linode and try it |
| 17:42 | <Internat> | i swear i always logged in and installed it myself :/ |
| 17:44 | <b4> | hm |
| 17:44 | <b4> | you could in theory and with some work...run xen on a linode |
| 17:44 | <Twayne> | !ask |
| 17:44 | <linbot> | Don't ask to ask; just ASK |
| 17:44 | <Twayne> | haha, cool |
| 17:44 | <mwalling> | oh god |
| 17:44 | <Twayne> | !google mwalling |
| 17:44 | <linbot> | Twayne: Search took 0.18 seconds: Twitter / mwalling: <http://twitter.com/mwalling>; NATA Think Tanks - View Profile: mwalling: <http://forum.nata.org/thinktanks/member.php?u=170>; mwalling: <http://www.daniweb.com/forums/member.php?do=vcard&u=280221>; mwalling ’s Music Profile – Users at Last.fm: <http://www.last.fm/user/mwalling>; Day changed --- Log opened Tue Mar 11 23:59:03 2008 00:03 ...: (2 more messages) |
| 17:44 | <Twayne> | P |
| 17:45 | <b4> | !google mostlynothing |
| 17:45 | <linbot> | b4: Search took 0.17 seconds: mostlynothing .com: <http://www.mostlynothing.com/>; STORMINSPANK'S HAWKEYE RAMBLINGS: Iowa Falls to Indiana, but ...: <http://www.mostlynothing.com/2008/01/iowa-falls-to-indiana-but-justin.shtml>; Mostly Nothing: <http://hanzboer.blogsome.com/>; Amazon.com: Mostly Nothing Happens: W. D. Ehrhart: Books: <http://www.amazon.com/Mostly-Nothing-Happens-W-Ehrhart/dp/0938566717>; (2 more messages) |
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| 17:45 | <b4> | none are mine |
| 17:45 | <b4> | DL |
| 17:45 | <Twayne> | !google Twayne is awesome |
| 17:45 | <linbot> | Twayne: Search took 0.32 seconds: MySpace.com - Twayne - 21 - Male - CLATSKANIE, Oregon - www ...: <http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=6578473>; MySpace.com - Twayne - 30 - Male - Holly Springs, Mississippi ...: <http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=133684791>; Amazon.com: David Lynch ( Twayne's Filmmakers Series): Kenneth C ...: (3 more messages) |
| 17:45 | <Twayne> | damn |
| 17:46 | <b4> | !google linode is the most amazing xen based VPS hosting service in the world |
| 17:46 | <linbot> | b4: Search took 0.66 seconds: VPS hosting - RimuHosting: <http://rimuhosting.com/vps-servers>; RailsWebHosts in Ruby on Rails: <http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/RailsWebHosts>; GPLHost Sydney VPS 3 Weeks Review | HostingFu: <http://hostingfu.com/article/gplhost-sydney-vps-3-weeks-review>; Big news - Rackspace and Slicehost // Slicehost - VPS Hosting: <http://www.slicehost.com/articles/2008/10/22/big- (2 more messages) |
| 17:46 | <b4> | haha |
| 17:46 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 17:46 | <Twayne> | lol |
| 17:46 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
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| 17:46 | <b4> | wtf is a .run |
| 17:47 | <Twayne> | well, lets see |
| 17:47 | <Twayne> | !google wtf is a .run |
| 17:47 | <linbot> | Twayne: Search took 0.19 seconds: Naruto 395 - WTF ?!? Don’t run off just like that, Tobi!!! « .:~+ ...: <http://lustrousrealm.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/naruto-395-wtf-dont-run-off-just-like-that-tobi/>; WTF - Can't Run VM or Boot Camp Now - HELP! - Parallels Desktop ...: <http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=31449>; La Toya Jackson? WTF ? It Must Run in the Family! - JoBlo's Movie Club: (3 more messages) |
| 17:48 | <b4> | haha |
| 17:48 | <b4> | !more |
| 17:48 | <linbot> | b4: news-today>; Self hosting or virtual private server | drupal.org: <http://drupal.org/node/20053>; Is Rimuhosting enough for my task? | drupal.org: <http://drupal.org/node/153650>; The Host with the Most | Ruby on Rails for Newbies: <http://nubyonrails.com/articles/the-host-with-the-most>; Hacker News | Ask HN: My host has me over a barrel. I've placed ...: <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=326012>; Day (1 more message) |
| 17:49 | <SelfishMan> | So, I'm trying to pay qwest for a naked DSL line that was installed last month and they keep telling me that the phone number doesn't exist and ask me for the account number. I then give them the account number which is the same as the phone number and they tell me it doesn't exist and I'm giving them the wrong info. I clearly read the line that says "Account Number: 406 NXX-XXXX XXXR and again they tell me it is invalid. I ask them |
| 17:49 | <b4> | ive used another 3GB going nothing |
| 17:49 | <SelfishMan> | W T F PEOPLE!!!! |
| 17:49 | <b4> | downloading nothing |
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| 17:50 | <b4> | that guy won't give up trying to DDoS me |
| 17:50 | <StevenK> | SelfishMan: "it is invalid. I ask them" |
| 17:50 | <mwalling> | SelfishMan: "t is invalid. I ask them |
| 17:50 | <SelfishMan> | StevenK: I tried but they tell me they need the account number to look up my info for the account |
| 17:51 | <b4> | i wnat them to stop >< |
| 17:51 | <SelfishMan> | I tried giving them my billing phone number (cell phone) and it won't work |
| 17:51 | <b4> | THEY will never stop unless soemthing is done |
| 17:51 | <b4> | and that will waste all fo my bandwith for all of 209 |
| 17:51 | <SelfishMan> | b4: What are they doing? |
| 17:51 | <b4> | idk |
| 17:51 | <b4> | afaik something that tcpdump won't show |
| 17:51 | <b4> | it shows no sign of DDoS |
| 17:51 | <b4> | but bandwith usage says otherwise |
| 17:52 | <StevenK> | SelfishMan: And they can't search by anything other than account number? |
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| 17:52 | <SelfishMan> | Find out what it is and start dropping (not blocking) that proto/port |
| 17:52 | <b4> | idk the port/proto |
| 17:52 | <b4> | as far as i cna tell |
| 17:52 | <b4> | it's nto a port |
| 17:52 | <malex> | SelfishMan: they tried doing the same to me - qwest is a bunch of lolz |
| 17:52 | <b4> | netstat shows nothing |
| 17:52 | <SelfishMan> | StevenK: Everything I give them they tell me it doesn't exist. I have read this bill to them line by line |
| 17:53 | <mwalling> | SelfishMan: by that point though, the traffic has already entered his guest, and gone past the billing meter |
| 17:53 | <StevenK> | SelfishMan: O.o |
| 17:53 | <b4> | idk whats up |
| 17:53 | <mwalling> | SelfishMan: record the call. dont pay the bill. |
| 17:53 | <mwalling> | (since you cant pay it or whatever) |
| 17:53 | <SelfishMan> | mwalling: True but if they think it is unreachable then the DDoS may stop. Not responding to them should cut the traffic in half give or take a few bits |
| 17:53 | <Shree> | How can I install ssh without ssh'ing into the system |
| 17:53 | <SelfishMan> | Shree: Use SSH |
| 17:53 | <SelfishMan> | uh |
| 17:53 | <SelfishMan> | s/SSH/LISH/ |
| 17:54 | <b4> | what could be a DDoS attakc using alot of bandwith and nto showing up in tcpdump? |
| 17:54 | <Shree> | Oh... good... Thanks.. Will try |
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| 17:54 | <mwalling> | !lish |
| 17:54 | <linbot> | mwalling: "lish" could be (#1) allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled. http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Lish_Documentation, or (#2) http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Lish_Documentation |
| 17:54 | <SelfishMan> | b4: Have you opened a support ticket? |
| 17:54 | <b4> | SelfishMan, hmmm no |
| 17:55 | <SelfishMan> | Um, why is jadoba not opped? Is he no longer with the company? |
| 17:56 | <mwalling> | Shree: while you're in lish, you might want to see if it booted properly |
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| 18:00 | <b4> | i sent a ticket |
| 18:01 | <Shree> | Tried it again... Now it worked... Guess something messes up in the boot sequence, I might have been impatient |
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| 18:07 | <z3e0> | so whos got the promo codes to get me a vps down to 15 bux |
| 18:07 | <z3e0> | :P |
| 18:08 | <malex> | z3e0: st. nick? |
| 18:09 | <b4> | z3e0, try retwre4trew8t9wre4twre98t |
| 18:09 | <mwalling> | z3e0: last i heard the only active promo codes were for rails rumble participants |
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| 18:11 | <Oli``> | rails < django |
| 18:11 | <b4> | i like rails! |
| 18:12 | <b4> | withotu them some peopel would fall down the stairs! |
| 18:12 | <Oli``> | true |
| 18:12 | <mwalling> | Oli``: there isnt a django brawl though for linode to sponser, is there |
| 18:21 | <erikh> | opinions < production |
| 18:21 | <erikh> | there, if'n that ain't self manifesting. |
| 18:22 | <mwalling> | * < your mom |
| 18:23 | <erikh> | mwalling < my mom |
| 18:23 | <mwalling> | you would rather do your mom then me? |
| 18:24 | <mwalling> | thats.... nasty.... |
| 18:24 | <erikh> | oh, i'm not allowed to think about boning people other than my wife |
| 18:24 | <erikh> | I didn't realize that was the context here |
| 18:24 | <dispraekailo> | What the hell did I walk in on |
| 18:24 | <erikh> | but yeah, maybe if you were some effeminate guy with lipstick and a dress. |
| 18:24 | <erikh> | and I was really, really drunk. |
| 18:25 | <mwalling> | what about a pitbull wearing lipstick? |
| 18:25 | <atourino> | but he is? no? |
| 18:25 | <dispraekailo> | Heh, I was referred to as "ma'am" by a couple strangers last week :3 |
| 18:25 | <mwalling> | atourino: ..|. |
| 18:25 | <atourino> | :D |
| 18:25 | <erikh> | atourino: :) |
| 18:30 | <Clorith> | dispraekailo, I do hope you are of the female kidn at least ? |
| 18:30 | <dispraekailo> | no |
| 18:30 | <Clorith> | O_o |
| 18:30 | <Clorith> | Then I hope slapped the msilly |
| 18:31 | <dispraekailo> | msilly? |
| 18:31 | <Clorith> | then again, I've had sales peopel call and ask to tal kto my dad, and whe n isay he isn't home, the yimemdiately think I'm my mom... |
| 18:31 | <Clorith> | they hang up in quite the hurry when I point out I'm a guy >_> |
| 18:31 | <dispraekailo> | Yeah, this was in-person though |
| 18:32 | <Clorith> | that's what I thought |
| 18:32 | <Clorith> | do you have a feminine look to you? :P |
| 18:32 | <dispraekailo> | obv |
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| 18:36 | * | mwalling headdesks |
| 18:36 | <mwalling> | one of the following is stupid: me, fortran, openmpi, me |
| 18:38 | <Clorith> | I'll go with #5 |
| 18:38 | <mwalling> | me? |
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| 18:39 | <mwalling> | MPI_RECV has an argument (its a byref return val) "STATUS", which is supposed to be an ingeger array of size MPI_STATUS_SIZE. i was passing it a plain ole int, and couldnt figure out what i had broken! |
| 18:39 | <mwalling> | something should have bitched i'd thing |
| 18:39 | <mwalling> | s/g$/k/ |
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| 18:55 | <Internat> | slightly OT.. is there a way to see which packages are installed from a specific mirror? ie i have debian-multimedia as a repository on one of my computers, but i want to remove it and everything that came in with it.. |
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| 19:13 | <Oli``> | Internat: apt-cache might help you... I'd ask in #ubuntu on freenode though to find a more authoritative answer |
| 19:14 | <Internat> | i would hope you mean #debian ;) |
| 19:14 | * | mwalling snickers |
| 19:14 | <Internat> | behave mwalling :P |
| 19:15 | <Hobbsee> | dpkg --get-selections | grep install, then pipe part of that thru apt-cache policy? |
| 19:15 | <Hobbsee> | is all i'm really thinking about |
| 19:15 | <Hobbsee> | s/about/of/ |
| 19:15 | <Oli``> | Internat: either... 500 more users in #ubuntu and it's the same stuff ;) |
| 19:15 | <Internat> | hmm.. synaptic does it.. but headless client and i dont have a goi |
| 19:15 | <Hobbsee> | i doubt #ubuntu knows about dpkg --get-selections and such |
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| 19:16 | <guinea-pig> | Hobbsee: why? ubuntu has gone too gui-ish? |
| 19:16 | <Oli``> | Hobbsee: haven't I seen you in either #ubuntu+1, #ubuntu-uk or #ubuntu? |
| 19:16 | <Oli``> | guinea-pig: Ubuntu is primarily a desktop distribution, after all |
| 19:16 | <Hobbsee> | Oli``: likely the first, some of the last. |
| 19:17 | <Hobbsee> | guinea-pig: the level of knowledge of gui tools in #ubuntu probably isn't that high... |
| 19:17 | <guinea-pig> | heh |
| 19:17 | <guinea-pig> | i don't frequent #ubuntu anyway |
| 19:17 | <Hobbsee> | (because they don't use them) |
| 19:17 | <StevenK> | dpkg -l and apt-cache policy and some clever grepping |
| 19:18 | <guinea-pig> | well |
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| 19:18 | <Oli``> | Internat: if you want a really manual way, just find out which version you've got and search the package repos =) |
| 19:18 | <guinea-pig> | dpkg -l | grep ^ii and dpkg --get-selections | grep install are pretty much the same thing |
| 19:19 | <Internat> | dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}' <== apparently |
| 19:19 | <Internat> | dpkg bot ftw |
| 19:20 | <guinea-pig> | so just that | grep meibuntu |
| 19:20 | <guinea-pig> | or whatever repo you're looking for |
| 19:20 | <Pici> | Or grep through the Packages.gz file for the repo and get the packages from there, although that will include some stuff that you may not have installed. |
| 19:21 | <guinea-pig> | or stuff you've installed a different version of |
| 19:22 | <guinea-pig> | the one Internat pasted has the benefit of showing the repo for the specific version installed, if there is more than one. |
| 19:23 | <guinea-pig> | interestingly, it's also a way to find out what you have installed that's not in the repos anymore |
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| 19:31 | <b4> | the xmms2 smaple song is startign to annoy me >< |
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| 20:01 | <b4> | idly in an hour or 2 my VPS used 2GB of my bandwith... |
| 20:01 | <b4> | liek no usage |
| 20:01 | <b4> | it used about 2-3GB |
| 20:02 | <b4> | so nwo its up to 20GB sued in 2 days -.- |
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| 20:10 | <guinea-pig> | b4: do you not know what is using it? there must be something |
| 20:11 | <b4> | i see no possible cause for 20GB of bandwith to be recieved |
| 20:11 | <Daeshim> | I got a process that refuses to stop |
| 20:11 | <Daeshim> | kill or anything |
| 20:11 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 20:11 | <Daeshim> | lol |
| 20:11 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 20:11 | <b4> | IRCDs don't use much bandwith |
| 20:11 | <guinea-pig> | heh |
| 20:11 | <b4> | and 2 IRCDs sholdn't use 20GB |
| 20:11 | <guinea-pig> | they can |
| 20:12 | <b4> | it's recieving 20GB though |
| 20:12 | <b4> | not sending |
| 20:12 | <guinea-pig> | right |
| 20:12 | <guinea-pig> | wouldn't it have to receive all messages sent globally to any other server, regardless of whether you have clients connected to yours that need these messages? |
| 20:13 | <b4> | there are only 76 users |
| 20:13 | <guinea-pig> | so what? |
| 20:13 | <b4> | and about 15 of those are bots |
| 20:13 | <guinea-pig> | so what? |
| 20:13 | <b4> | 76 users wouldn't recieve a lot fo data |
| 20:13 | <guinea-pig> | oh, 76 users on the whole network? |
| 20:13 | <b4> | yes |
| 20:14 | <guinea-pig> | ok well |
| 20:15 | <guinea-pig> | i'd use iptraf to watch what ports/hosts the traffic is coming from |
| 20:15 | <b4> | tcpdump show nothign unusual |
| 20:16 | <@caker> | I HAZ DELETE KEY AGAIN!!! |
| 20:16 | <@caker> | the "yeahdude" guy at the Apple store hooked me up |
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| 20:17 | <guinea-pig> | iptraf lets you watch what's using traffic in real time |
| 20:17 | <b4> | only mysql and ssh are going up fast |
| 20:17 | <b4> | according to i[traf |
| 20:18 | <b4> | i don't think it's a tcp/udp attack if it is one |
| 20:18 | <b4> | i submitted a support ticket |
| 20:18 | <guinea-pig> | assuming you're ssh'd into the box, that'd explain ssh... |
| 20:18 | <b4> | waitin for a reply |
| 20:18 | <bd_> | b4: mysql is going across not localhost? |
| 20:18 | <b4> | no |
| 20:18 | <guinea-pig> | err, why? |
| 20:18 | <guinea-pig> | your bandwidth useage is your issue, really |
| 20:18 | <b4> | 192.168.134.122 |
| 20:18 | <b4> | guinea-pig, ive nto downlaoded anything big |
| 20:19 | <bd_> | b4: they can't log all past traffic, you'd need to run something to identify it... if it comes only intermittently you'll just have to run iptraf or something until it happens |
| 20:19 | <b4> | it's been happenign for alogn time afaik |
| 20:19 | <b4> | !dns 207.192.69.5 |
| 20:19 | <linbot> | b4: li-5.members.linode.com |
| 20:19 | <b4> | what is li-5.members.linode.com |
| 20:20 | <bd_> | b4: Someone's linode? |
| 20:20 | <bd_> | interesting that it has such a low ID though |
| 20:20 | <b4> | it's sending UDP apckets here :D |
| 20:20 | <bd_> | b4: what port? |
| 20:20 | <b4> | 135 bytes |
| 20:20 | <b4> | 53 |
| 20:20 | <bd_> | that's DNS |
| 20:20 | <b4> | 33087 |
| 20:21 | <bd_> | b4: is that your dns server? |
| 20:21 | <bd_> | check resolv.conf |
| 20:21 | <guinea-pig> | sending, or recieving? |
| 20:21 | <b4> | no idea |
| 20:21 | <b4> | yes its my dns server |
| 20:21 | <bd_> | well then :) |
| 20:22 | <b4> | whats port 113? |
| 20:22 | <bd_> | % grep 113/ /etc/services |
| 20:22 | <bd_> | auth 113/tcp authentication tap ident |
| 20:22 | <bd_> | identd I guess? |
| 20:22 | <b4> | D: |
| 20:22 | <bd_> | since you're running an IRC server it's to be expected |
| 20:22 | <bd_> | run something that can tell you how much bandwidth various flows are using :P |
| 20:22 | <bd_> | and then leave it running until another 10GB spike happens |
| 20:24 | <b4> | lets nto forget the fact someone said they were ddosing it |
| 20:24 | <b4> | ntop? |
| 20:24 | <b4> | gah |
| 20:24 | <b4> | tcptop |
| 20:25 | <bd_> | does tcptop work for non-tcp? |
| 20:25 | <b4> | no |
| 20:25 | <b4> | and what wa sthat tihng called |
| 20:25 | <b4> | that monitored bandwith usage... |
| 20:25 | <Nivex> | iftop ? |
| 20:26 | <bd_> | I used ntop years ago, it seemed quite slick |
| 20:26 | <b4> | THAT |
| 20:26 | <b4> | iftop |
| 20:26 | <b4> | and ntop doesn't let em kill it |
| 20:26 | <bd_> | b4: Of course not, if it's being sent to you without you asking you can't force them to stop |
| 20:27 | <b4> | a 192.168.*.* IP is using a lot of bandwith |
| 20:27 | <b4> | mysql to be exact |
| 20:27 | <guinea-pig> | but that's backend... shouldn't count |
| 20:27 | <guinea-pig> | right? |
| 20:27 | <bd_> | it won't count, no |
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| 20:40 | <b4> | wtf is prot 123 |
| 20:40 | <b4> | and 4949 |
| 20:40 | <guinea-pig> | b4: /etc/services is a good reference |
| 20:40 | <guinea-pig> | 123 is ntp |
| 20:40 | <guinea-pig> | 4949 might be anything. |
| 20:41 | <mwalling> | munin 4949/tcp lrrd # Munin |
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| 20:41 | <guinea-pig> | it *says* munin. but it might be anything :P |
| 20:41 | <mwalling> | your mom said munin last night |
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| 20:42 | <b4> | what does a ping show up as in tmpdump? |
| 20:42 | <mwalling> | it was her M face... munin Munin MUNIN *MUNIN* |
| 20:42 | <guinea-pig> | any ports above 1000 really could be anything |
| 20:42 | <b4> | tcpdump* |
| 20:42 | <guinea-pig> | the question is, is it a listening port 4949 or the other end of a connection? |
| 20:42 | <HoopyCat> | 20:42:25.105406 IP6 2001:4978:f:154::1 > 2001:4978:f:154::2: ICMP6, echo request, seq 10497, length 64 |
| 20:42 | <HoopyCat> | 20:42:25.105473 IP6 2001:4978:f:154::2 > 2001:4978:f:154::1: ICMP6, echo reply, seq 10497, length 64 |
| 20:42 | <HoopyCat> | something like that, but slightly different |
| 20:43 | <HoopyCat> | (nearest one i had) |
| 20:44 | <b4> | 661 packets captured |
| 20:44 | <b4> | 1335 packets received by filter |
| 20:44 | <b4> | 385 packets dropped by kernel |
| 20:44 | <b4> | it gives a flood of ssh stuff |
| 20:44 | <b4> | then stops |
| 20:45 | <mwalling> | b4: do it from within lish |
| 20:45 | <@caker> | or you can say: tcpdump -n host not <yourlocalip> |
| 20:45 | <HoopyCat> | or add "port not 22" |
| 20:45 | <irgeek> | ...or add 'port not ssh' or 'host not x.x.x.x' |
| 20:45 | <@caker> | or that. |
| 20:45 | <mwalling> | or that |
| 20:45 | <@caker> | ! |
| 20:45 | <HoopyCat> | six million ways to vi, choose one |
| 20:45 | <mwalling> | lish is easy too |
| 20:46 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: elvis |
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| 20:46 | <b4> | caker, is the bandwith meter broken? |
| 20:46 | <b4> | or did i really recieve 20GB? |
| 20:46 | <@caker> | It's never broken. |
| 20:46 | <mwalling> | lies |
| 20:46 | <b4> | i like downloaded nothing |
| 20:46 | <b4> | and ive recieved 20GB |
| 20:46 | <HoopyCat> | free from the internet, to you |
| 20:47 | <b4> | how many pings would it take to actually recieve a megabyte? |
| 20:47 | <mwalling> | lots |
| 20:47 | <b4> | thousands? |
| 20:47 | <bd_> | b4: depends on the size of the ping |
| 20:48 | <HoopyCat> | a 64-byte ping is somewhere around 84 bytes when fully wrapped... we'll round up to 100 to make the math easy |
| 20:48 | <irgeek> | !calc (2^10)/84 |
| 20:48 | <linbot> | irgeek: (2^10) / 84 = 12.1904762 |
| 20:48 | <mwalling> | math... fail? |
| 20:48 | <HoopyCat> | about 10485.76 if you round up to 100 |
| 20:48 | <bd_> | b4: there are bandwidth counters in ifconfig output btw |
| 20:48 | <irgeek> | !calc (2^20)/84 |
| 20:48 | <linbot> | irgeek: (2^20) / 84 = 12,483.0476 |
| 20:49 | <bd_> | they roll over at 4GB on a 32-bit kernel though (don't know about 64-bit kernels) |
| 20:49 | <bd_> | oh, 64-bit kernels won't roll over |
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| 20:49 | <HoopyCat> | bd_: ah! an advantage! |
| 20:49 | <bd_> | :D |
| 20:49 | <bd_> | RX bytes:40137131598 (37.3 GiB) TX bytes:89844487491 (83.6 GiB) |
| 20:49 | <mwalling> | they prolly roll over.. just at $REALLYBIGNUMBER |
| 20:49 | <irgeek> | Of course they roll over. At 2^64 bytes. |
| 20:50 | <b4> | <pie> <DnTVideos> tell b4 if he didnt zline me for no reason, i wouldnt of ddosed it |
| 20:50 | <bd_> | btw, what's the path pv-grub expects its menu.lst on again? (hd0)/boot/grub/menu.lst or (hd0)/grub/menu.lst? |
| 20:50 | <irgeek> | !calc (2^64) bytes in GB |
| 20:50 | <linbot> | irgeek: (2^64) * bytes = 17Â 179Â 869Â 184 gigabytes |
| 20:50 | <bd_> | b4: how much data are we looking at again? |
| 20:50 | <b4> | bd_, for recieveing? |
| 20:50 | <bd_> | b4: well, how much and over what period of time? |
| 20:50 | <b4> | ive recieved about 20GB in 2 days |
| 20:50 | <b4> | a total of 5 |
| 20:50 | <HoopyCat> | b4: i'd be willing to bet that you may well have received a rather ineffective, yet measurable ddos attack, if someone is saying you got ddos'd |
| 20:51 | <bd_> | yeah, that's... that's not a DDOS |
| 20:51 | <guinea-pig> | looks like you have your reason, then |
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| 20:51 | <b4> | bd_, about 19 in 2 days |
| 20:51 | <bd_> | that's like... a WOS |
| 20:51 | <HoopyCat> | i hope you can feel this, i'm pinging you as hard as i can |
| 20:51 | <bd_> | Waste Of Service >_> |
| 20:51 | <frzn> | tasaro, you there champ? |
| 20:51 | <b4> | i also had random disconnects |
| 20:51 | <bd_> | b4: anyway... you said you had a linode 720 = 400GB quota, right? |
| 20:51 | <b4> | and it recieved 10GB in 7 hours |
| 20:51 | <bd_> | b4: how much do you usually use? |
| 20:51 | <b4> | bd_, i'd nromally use less than 5GB |
| 20:51 | <b4> | since i downlaod very little |
| 20:52 | <b4> | as it's been sitting idle |
| 20:52 | <bd_> | b4: okay, so... one option is to just ignore the "ddos" until they get bored and give up |
| 20:52 | <bd_> | at this rate you'll end the month somewhere around 300GB |
| 20:52 | <JDLSpeedy> | I VNC to my linode and its only 3Gb's total this month |
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| 20:54 | <b4> | its still odd to use 10GB in 7 hours with an idle linode |
| 20:55 | <bd_> | not if someone's flinging lots of metaphorical peas at you |
| 20:55 | <JDLSpeedy> | did caker do something wrong? i had this isssue and caker fixed it |
| 20:56 | <b4> | !dns 38.99.44.101 |
| 20:56 | <linbot> | b4: crawl-10.cuill.com |
| 20:56 | <b4> | haha |
| 20:56 | <JDLSpeedy> | i had 75 GB's on a idle linode and there was an issue with one of his rules |
| 20:56 | <JDLSpeedy> | so u might need to put in a ticket |
| 20:57 | <JDLSpeedy> | and it was 74 GB's recieving |
| 20:58 | <b4> | cuil has indexed me >.> |
| 20:58 | <JDLSpeedy> | ahh |
| 20:58 | <frzn> | How long does it usually take for tickets to be looked at >_>? |
| 20:58 | <b4> | the cuil crawler is known as the DDoS'ign spider |
| 20:59 | <JDLSpeedy> | 30 minutes to an hour |
| 20:59 | <JDLSpeedy> | just depends |
| 20:59 | <frzn> | whatsa the time there? |
| 20:59 | <frzn> | -a |
| 20:59 | <b4> | i submitted one a while ago |
| 20:59 | <JDLSpeedy> | 9pm |
| 21:00 | <b4> | 2008-12-05 10:59:32 PM |
| 21:00 | <b4> | is when it was opened |
| 21:00 | <b4> | # Transfer/Mo 400 GB |
| 21:00 | <b4> | # Incoming: 20.8 GB |
| 21:00 | <b4> | # Outgoing: 597 MB |
| 21:00 | <b4> | # Total: 21.4 GB |
| 21:00 | <JDLSpeedy> | maybe there having a party ;) |
| 21:01 | <b4> | caker, are you positive nothing rrelated to network monitoring is b0rked? |
| 21:02 | <RickyWh> | I was thinking about buying a linode vps, are having issues with ddos? |
| 21:02 | <b4> | i just know some skiddiots |
| 21:02 | <b4> | and i zline done from an irc net |
| 21:02 | <b4> | and he got angry |
| 21:02 | <mariorz> | e/window 24e |
| 21:02 | <bd_> | RickyWh: he angered a kid with a DSL connection |
| 21:02 | <bd_> | and now said kid is pinging him as fast as his modem can handle |
| 21:03 | <bd_> | not that that's really a problem much :D |
| 21:03 | <RickyWh> | does linode vps's ever have issues with ddos? |
| 21:03 | * | b4 also uses DSL \o/ |
| 21:03 | <b4> | same ISP |
| 21:03 | <b4> | difefrent state |
| 21:03 | <bd_> | RickyWh: Well, the general policy is if you get a ddos more than once or so, you're asked to find another host |
| 21:04 | <RickyWh> | ahh ok |
| 21:04 | <jimd> | RickyWh: I've heard that any Linode customer who attracts DDOSes will be given the boot. |
| 21:04 | <bd_> | if incoming traffic saturates a host's network port, though, then there might be a bit of downtime until linode can contact the datacenter and get them to nullroute the target of the attack |
| 21:04 | <bd_> | doesn't happen often though |
| 21:04 | <RickyWh> | which DC does linode use? |
| 21:04 | <jimd> | That's harsh for the victim --- but good for those of us who don't piss off script kiddies, crackers and other undesirables out on the 'net |
| 21:05 | <bd_> | jimd: well, $20/mo doesn't pay for DDOS mitigation |
| 21:05 | <bd_> | RickyWh: it has four of them :) |
| 21:05 | <jimd> | I'm not complaining ... just commenting. |
| 21:05 | <mwalling> | RickyWh: http://www.linode.com/why.cfm |
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| 21:05 | <b4> | the guy is using DSL \o/ |
| 21:05 | <jimd> | It's good for me, 'cause I'm not in the habit of pissing ppl off. :) |
| 21:06 | <b4> | he can't do nuthin to me |
| 21:06 | <bd_> | hmm |
| 21:06 | <b4> | just my home connection |
| 21:06 | <bd_> | latest linux kernel git tree has the xen_write_ldt_entry oops fixed |
| 21:06 | <HoopyCat> | b4: 20GB in 2 days is just under 1mb/sec |
| 21:07 | <b4> | whats a good centos 5 mirror? |
| 21:07 | <jimd> | Some twit was running a DoS (spoofed but not DDoS) on my home DNS server a couple years ago ... bloomin' nuisance. I just hardened the configuration as per Crnwyr (sp?) guidelines and it all went away. |
| 21:07 | <RickyWh> | what if someone has a popular website and their competitor decides to ddos them, doesn't that mean anyone who can ddos you basically has a boomstick of boomsticks |
| 21:07 | <bd_> | RickyWh: well, if there was evidence linking said competitor they would be in for a world of pain in the courts |
| 21:07 | <jimd> | The pattern was weird since it was on evenings and weekends only .... like some kid running it from his home computer in NYC? |
| 21:07 | <RickyWh> | i overheard some peeps discussing ddos protection some DC's have |
| 21:07 | <HoopyCat> | RickyWh: if you're in a business where that's likely, you're probably going to have to deal with it as a cost of doing business |
| 21:08 | <b4> | i need a cent 5 mirror |
| 21:08 | <HoopyCat> | RickyWh: there are hardware/software devices out there that'll do it, but they are not cheap |
| 21:08 | <RickyWh> | like for instance, i heard Softlayer was a good DC that has ddos protection on their dedicated boxes |
| 21:08 | <daniel> | Anyone here good with .htaccess? |
| 21:08 | <HoopyCat> | b4: i bet google might be able to find one |
| 21:08 | <b4> | ftp |
| 21:08 | <jimd> | RickyWh ... as a practical matter ... DDoS can't be proactively prevented on the Internet given it's current structure. |
| 21:09 | <b4> | HoopyCat, i wnat one that peopel recommend |
| 21:09 | <HoopyCat> | b4: a random one from the list that's geographically close to you |
| 21:09 | <mwalling> | RickyWh: linode has measures in place to deal with these situations |
| 21:09 | <RickyWh> | one of those expensive hardware/software devices? |
| 21:10 | <mwalling> | better |
| 21:10 | <jimd> | Yeah, but the real advice is: if you think that you're engaging in business that's likely to attract DoS or DDoS ... go somewhere else. |
| 21:10 | <HoopyCat> | RickyWh: softlayer's pricing starts at $160/mo. linode's starts at $20/mo. |
| 21:10 | <mwalling> | Linode has a network of ICBMs that will launch cakes at the bad guys. |
| 21:10 | <daniel> | http://pastie.org/private/oryulktfkblw09utcl1m2a <-- anyone know why my redirects prevent me from doing POST data (and how can I solve this?) |
| 21:11 | <RickyWh> | ok cool |
| 21:11 | <daniel> | No one knows why to my problem? :S meh |
| 21:11 | <bd_> | caker: fyi, I think commit 38ffbe66d59051fd9cfcfc8545f164700e2fa3bc in linus's tree fixes the wine oops on pv_ops kernels I reported a while ago... it'll be in .28 though, so might as well wait for that |
| 21:11 | <exor674> | cause you can't post on a redirect |
| 21:11 | <guinea-pig> | daniel: give it a few minutes |
| 21:11 | * | jimd doesn't speak for Linode BTW ... just saying what he's understood from what they've said here in the past. |
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| 21:12 | <RickyWh> | if I bought a Linode VPS and hosted a website, then had 3 uptime checkers running in 15 second intervals to my website, what kind of uptime would I have over the course of a year? |
| 21:12 | <jimd> | bd_: you're running a wine application on your linode? |
| 21:12 | <mwalling> | only +o's are staff |
| 21:12 | <daniel> | exor674, right, I figured it was this BUT is there anyway to achieve this effect with sending POST data? |
| 21:12 | <mwalling> | the rest of us have way too much time on our hands |
| 21:13 | <bd_> | jimd: occasionally. Don't ask. <.< |
| 21:13 | <daniel> | RickyWh, ur just doing crons for uptime? Uhmm try 24/7/365 :P |
| 21:13 | <RickyWh> | your servers never reboot? |
| 21:13 | <jimd> | I just think it's too wacky. |
| 21:13 | <daniel> | Mine havent |
| 21:13 | <mwalling> | RickyWh: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=25&sid=4984d61109eba3c3894c57db0447dc89 |
| 21:13 | <mwalling> | er, drop the SID |
| 21:13 | <mwalling> | RickyWh: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=25 |
| 21:13 | <daniel> | I dont have *a lot* of traffic, but I do have 3 mysql queries that do full table scans on 500,000 row tables (all happening on the same page) with like 4 people actively clicking on that page :P |
| 21:14 | <daniel> | And my linode barely makes a peep (linode360) |
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| 21:14 | <daniel> | And yes, I know I dont need the table scans and that I should index but I am very lazy and have exams coming up ;) |
| 21:14 | <jimd> | RickyWh: if you look around their website I think they have some graphs of their historical uptime for the last few years. I suspect you're getting about four-nines. |
| 21:14 | <HoopyCat> | hrm, why isn't ntpd binding to ipv6 on this thing... |
| 21:14 | <RickyWh> | very cool |
| 21:15 | <mwalling> | the SLA is 3 9s... http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#what-is-your-sla |
| 21:15 | <jimd> | BTW: five-nines is way over-rated --- the additional expenditures to achieve it are rarely justified by real-world business cases. |
| 21:15 | <daniel> | exor674, so would you know how to achieve that effect without "redirecting"? |
| 21:16 | <mwalling> | !calc 8760 * .999 |
| 21:16 | <RickyWh> | how many minutes each day is 99.9% ? |
| 21:16 | <linbot> | mwalling: 8,760 * .999 = 8,751.24 |
| 21:16 | <b4> | !dns client 66.249.70.249 |
| 21:16 | <linbot> | b4: (dns <host|ip>) -- Returns the ip of <host> or the reverse DNS hostname of <ip>. |
| 21:16 | <mwalling> | er... |
| 21:16 | <b4> | !dns 66.249.70.249 |
| 21:16 | <linbot> | b4: crawl-66-249-70-249.googlebot.com |
| 21:16 | <mwalling> | !calc 8760 * .001 |
| 21:16 | <linbot> | mwalling: 8,760 * .001 = 8.76 |
| 21:16 | <mwalling> | RickyWh: 8.76 hours a year |
| 21:16 | * | jimd smiles --- I was sayting what I think we've been getting ... better than four-nines but probably not five-nines as that's just really hard to do. |
| 21:17 | <mwalling> | !calc 8760 * .00001 |
| 21:17 | <linbot> | mwalling: 8,760 * .00001 = 0.0876 |
| 21:17 | <daniel> | exor674, nvm, I got it...but I need to do all of my mthod post with that slash thing heh |
| 21:17 | <mwalling> | !calc (8760 * .00001) hours in seconds |
| 21:17 | <linbot> | mwalling: (8760 * .00001) * hours = 315.36 seconds |
| 21:17 | <RickyWh> | 315 seconds per day? |
| 21:17 | <mwalling> | jimd: 5 nines / year |
| 21:17 | <jimd> | I think my linode has been down for a few minutes in the last year -- except for some of my own boneheadedness that shut it down (my node, not their server). |
| 21:18 | <RickyWh> | cool |
| 21:18 | <jimd> | !calc (3600 * 24 * 365) / 0.00001 |
| 21:18 | <linbot> | jimd: (3,600 * 24 * 365) / 0.00001 = 3,153,600,000,000 |
| 21:18 | <RickyWh> | you provide geographically different dns servers for setting up rdns? |
| 21:19 | <jimd> | ooops, wrong op |
| 21:19 | <bd_> | RickyWh: they have a DNS server in each datacenter |
| 21:19 | <jimd> | !calc (3600 * 24 * 365) * 0.00001 |
| 21:19 | <linbot> | jimd: (3,600 * 24 * 365) * 0.00001 = 315.36 |
| 21:19 | <mwalling> | jimd: theres 8760 hours in a year |
| 21:19 | <jimd> | Yeah, I was trying to get it in seconds ... more used to reading it that way. |
| 21:19 | * | mwalling deals with hourly simulations on a regular basis |
| 21:20 | <b4> | !calc 60*60 |
| 21:20 | <linbot> | b4: 60 * 60 = 3,600 |
| 21:20 | <b4> | !calc 3600*8760 |
| 21:20 | <linbot> | b4: 3,600 * 8,760 = 31,536,000 |
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| 21:20 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling, why doth my ntpd complaineth thus? ntpd[25847]: getaddrinfo: "::1" invalid host address, ignored |
| 21:20 | <mwalling> | RickyWh: 3 9s is 8 hours a year |
| 21:20 | <b4> | i will recieve 31,536,000megabytes per second thsi year |
| 21:20 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: which ntpd? |
| 21:21 | <jimd> | HoopyCat: IPv6 address ... is the ntpd compiled with IPv6 support? |
| 21:21 | <b4> | i hatedcentos |
| 21:21 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: 4.2.4p4; it worked fine, then i believe it broke when i upgraded from ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10. |
| 21:21 | * | mwalling shrugs... youre the ntpd master here :P |
| 21:22 | <RickyWh> | 319 seconds or 39 seconds? |
| 21:22 | <HoopyCat> | jimd: it should be. if not, there's a failboat on the horizon |
| 21:22 | <b4> | ikk have a 13 yera old P1 running freebsd |
| 21:22 | <b4> | as a server |
| 21:22 | <mwalling> | RickyWh: 99.9% uptime is 8 hours a year. |
| 21:22 | <RickyWh> | ok |
| 21:22 | <HoopyCat> | i'll check that in a moment. first, the dryer beacons resoundfully from the basement with a pronouncement that the pantaloons have been rendered dry! |
| 21:22 | <jimd> | ... and 99.99% is about 5 minutes per year |
| 21:22 | <mwalling> | RickyWh: 315.36 seconds was a different topic |
| 21:23 | <mwalling> | multi threaded conversations ft |
| 21:23 | <mwalling> | WIN! |
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| 21:23 | <RickyWh> | 1.3 minutes per day or so |
| 21:23 | <RickyWh> | average |
| 21:23 | <RickyWh> | that's tiny |
| 21:23 | <jimd> | RickyWh, yeah, but that's a bad way to put it, statistically speaking. |
| 21:24 | <mwalling> | you're also assuming that linode's quality will never exceed their bare minimum |
| 21:24 | <jimd> | Per month or per year is meaningful. Per day is meaningless for this statistic because even the most ineptly managed UNIX/Linux boxes stay up for days or weeks at a time. |
| 21:25 | <RickyWh> | yes ok |
| 21:25 | <jimd> | As I've said, the promise three-nines, but I think we're experiencing four-nines or better. |
| 21:25 | <RickyWh> | 16 minutes per month then? |
| 21:25 | <mwalling> | i dont know of anyone here who has requested an SLA credit |
| 21:26 | <mwalling> | put it that way. |
| 21:26 | <RickyWh> | 3 nines is good, sounds good to hear doing better |
| 21:26 | <jimd> | I doubt you'd see even one minute in a month. |
| 21:26 | <mwalling> | RickyWh: you're putting way to much emphasis on buzzwords |
| 21:26 | <exor674> | I'd personally only bully y'all for a SLA credit if it was down with multiple days |
| 21:26 | <jimd> | probaby 5-20 minutes once every few months. |
| 21:26 | <b4> | !dns mostlynothing.co.cc |
| 21:26 | <linbot> | b4: 66.246.138.7 |
| 21:26 | <exor674> | cause otherwise, I'd get what? 5 cents? |
| 21:27 | <jimd> | I don't know how fast they could spin up my node on another server if the hardware it was on failed --- but probably only a few minutes |
| 21:27 | <bd_> | jimd: if the hardware fails they need to have someone in the DC move the drives into a spare host |
| 21:28 | <mwalling> | jimd: as long as it takes to get a cage monkey to pull the sleds and put them in a spare |
| 21:28 | <bd_> | they've done it before, look in the downtime forums |
| 21:28 | <jimd> | Multiply that by all the other nodes on the same host with me (they won't all get migrated/spun off at once --- so I'll be in a queue for a few minutes 'til they get to me. |
| 21:28 | <bd_> | however |
| 21:28 | <bd_> | if they get warning before the machine completely goes |
| 21:28 | <bd_> | then yes, they can migrate you off |
| 21:29 | <bd_> | also, on 9/25 there was a DDOS incident that resulted in sufficient downtime to fall under SLA. I don't know if anyone bothered though - the refund would've been on the order of 5 cents |
| 21:30 | <jimd> | Anyway, suffice it to say it hasn't been an issue for me. If I was really worried about it for an application like monitoring then I'd just pay for two linodes in different DCs |
| 21:30 | <bd_> | (IRC logs <3) |
| 21:31 | <HoopyCat> | bd_: wait what? where? which datacenter? *ponders how much beer he can buy* |
| 21:31 | <jimd> | Then I'd structure my application so that either of them would be sufficient for the polling. Chances of both going down at once are pretty slim and probably get me pretty close to five-nines for only about $40/mo |
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| 21:32 | <bd_> | newark, looks like |
| 21:32 | <HoopyCat> | damn. well, there's always the lotto |
| 21:32 | <jimd> | (At that point I'm far more likely to cause my own failures than I am to experience any from external sources). |
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| 21:33 | <path-> | HoopyCat: aren't your beer bottle refunds more than that? |
| 21:34 | <HoopyCat> | path-: buy beer on credit, drink it, then return the bottles for cash -- instant cash advance, without the bummer interest rate |
| 21:34 | <path-> | sounds like a plan! |
| 21:35 | <HoopyCat> | it works! it's how i'm paying my way through school |
| 21:35 | <HoopyCat> | that reminds me, time to drink another beer -- spring tuition is almost due |
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| 21:45 | <HoopyCat> | watching my wife watch TV is amusing |
| 21:45 | <mwalling> | ? |
| 21:45 | <mwalling> | then again watching my wife play guitar hero is amusing as well |
| 21:46 | <HoopyCat> | she'll watch about 5-10 minutes of TV, then fall asleep until the end of the program, and then she'll rewind back to where she fell asleep and repeat the process |
| 21:46 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 21:46 | <HoopyCat> | she's about halfway through an episode of law and order, it appears... she's been watching it for about 5 total hours across 3 nights |
| 21:47 | <mwalling> | you need to develop something to figure out when she falls asleep, and pause the dvr ten |
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| 21:47 | <mwalling> | s/ten/then/ |
| 21:47 | <HoopyCat> | good idea |
| 21:47 | * | HoopyCat hmms |
| 21:47 | <path-> | motion detector |
| 21:48 | <HoopyCat> | might as well just do a pause after ten minutes of inactivity |
| 21:50 | <HoopyCat> | happens with anything passive, btw... not worth it to go to the movie theatre, and i'll often glance over after a few minutes of useless nattering while driving and find that she's sound asleep in the passenger seat |
| 21:51 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 21:52 | <path-> | there is some other pat hennessy in ireland that keep giving out the wrong gmail address |
| 21:53 | <mwalling> | theres two mark wallings at work |
| 21:53 | <path-> | that's got to be confusing |
| 21:53 | <mwalling> | yup |
| 21:53 | <HoopyCat> | i've got some serious problems with other people with my first initial and last name |
| 21:53 | <mwalling> | H. Cat? |
| 21:53 | <path-> | Henry Cat? |
| 21:53 | <path-> | hehe |
| 21:54 | <mwalling> | path-: ^5 |
| 21:54 | <HoopyCat> | esp. when they subscribe to netflix with my e-mail address |
| 21:54 | <HoopyCat> | there's two profs with the same name at school; one of which is my digital systems prof, the other of which is over in the psych department |
| 21:55 | <HoopyCat> | http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=360873 |
| 21:55 | <HoopyCat> | if you don't realize this, stuff like the first review there will throw you off. even if you do... |
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| 22:03 | <HoopyCat> | "While the ultimate precision is not achievable with ordinary workstations and networks of today, it may be required with future gigahertz CPU clocks and gigabit LANs." |
| 22:03 | <frzn> | !time |
| 22:03 | <linbot> | frzn: 10:03 PM, December 05, 2008 |
| 22:03 | <b4> | 23.8GB used now... |
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| 22:20 | <b4> | erm |
| 22:20 | <b4> | soemtihng is wrong |
| 22:20 | <Internat> | ?? |
| 22:20 | <b4> | the bandwith meter says 20GB...wait 32 bit kernel nvm |
| 22:20 | <Internat> | err |
| 22:20 | <Internat> | ok |
| 22:20 | <Internat> | is confused |
| 22:21 | <frzn> | Nathan? |
| 22:21 | <frzn> | Internat |
| 22:21 | <Internat> | yeah? |
| 22:21 | <frzn> | oh |
| 22:21 | <frzn> | hi |
| 22:21 | <Internat> | hi? |
| 22:21 | <frzn> | You probably don't remember me, but i was one of the oldschool DALnetters ;p |
| 22:21 | <Internat> | i thought you looked familar :P |
| 22:21 | <frzn> | frzn / Madmatt_00 blah blah |
| 22:21 | <frzn> | old old etc. |
| 22:22 | <sbyrne> | Is there a page that explains timetables and information for UML to Xen migration? |
| 22:22 | <Internat> | im still in #australia on dalnet :P |
| 22:22 | <frzn> | Ah yeah i just hang around on Gamesurge. |
| 22:22 | <frzn> | well, im at work now so meh =// |
| 22:22 | <@caker> | sbyrne: no. If you want to migrate to Xen now, please submit a ticket |
| 22:22 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:22 | <Internat> | hehe lol. |
| 22:22 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 22:22 | <frzn> | I work at iiNet =/ |
| 22:22 | <Internat> | hahaha |
| 22:22 | <@caker> | sbyrne: also, it's literally one button click, and a few minutes downtime -- that's it |
| 22:22 | <sbyrne> | caker: Is Xen active on all hosts? |
| 22:23 | <@caker> | sbyrne: no -- only the xen hosts :) |
| 22:23 | <Internat> | the downtime is you moving quickly to another host ;_ |
| 22:23 | <Internat> | ;) |
| 22:23 | <sbyrne> | Ah. |
| 22:23 | <Internat> | frzn: used to work for Boeing, now work for Qld Motorways :) |
| 22:24 | <sbyrne> | caker: If I submit a ticket now, will my downtime be within the next hour, or is it going to be Monday? |
| 22:24 | <HoopyCat> | i'm so old-school dalnet i'm more old-school than old-school dalnetters :-( |
| 22:24 | <mwalling> | sbyrne: you click migrate when you're ready |
| 22:24 | <@caker> | sbyrne: we configure the migration, you get to kick it off when you're ready |
| 22:24 | <sbyrne> | Sweet. |
| 22:24 | * | caker thinks so, too |
| 22:24 | <frzn> | ahh |
| 22:27 | <frzn> | caker |
| 22:27 | * | bd_ approves of the not-so-new-now pv-grub menu.lst support |
| 22:27 | <bd_> | (finally getting around to playing with it >.>) |
| 22:27 | * | mikegrb approves of bd_ |
| 22:27 | <Internat> | oh.. its friday for you guys isnt it? |
| 22:27 | <HoopyCat> | i'm mikegrb, and i approve this message. |
| 22:28 | <bd_> | I'm bd_, and I approve of all parts of this message, except the message of approval. |
| 22:28 | <@mikegrb> | http://michael.thegrebs.com/2008/12/05/join-the-fsf-today/ |
| 22:28 | <b4> | caker, the bandwith meter hates me |
| 22:28 | <@mikegrb> | do it now and no linode gets hurt |
| 22:28 | <HoopyCat> | Internat: 22:27 friday and i'm sitting here, drinking beer and wondering why the hell this infernal contraption isn't working for various quantities of contraption. |
| 22:29 | <frzn> | It's 2.28pm, Saturday and im bored at work. |
| 22:29 | <frzn> | au ftw |
| 22:29 | <bd_> | mariorz: are these the same people who did a real-world ddos of apple help desks? >.> |
| 22:29 | <bd_> | er |
| 22:29 | <bd_> | mikegrb: * |
| 22:30 | <Internat> | 1:28 here :P |
| 22:30 | <Internat> | counting down the hrs til i can go get pissed at the work staff party :D |
| 22:30 | * | HoopyCat puts soldering iron away and flips a couple switches |
| 22:30 | * | Internat watches everyting explode |
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| 22:31 | <@mikegrb> | bd_: yeah and worse, emacs |
| 22:31 | <Internat> | speaking of soldering.. a friend of mine got bored the other day, and rigged up some leds, and a push button to an argiwino.. and has it compiling his code.. he pushes the button on it, and the ant script kicks off to compile.. if its successful green leds, if not, red leds :D |
| 22:31 | <@mikegrb> | but overall good people |
| 22:31 | <Internat> | its awesomeness |
| 22:32 | <ang> | can anyone point me to a good tutorial for setting up Xen? |
| 22:32 | <HoopyCat> | Internat: i'm working towards replacing the heating/cooling thermostat with something a little more... cool. |
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| 22:34 | <mwalling> | ang: the one i found sucked? |
| 22:34 | <mwalling> | (i didnt actally read it, it poped up in delicious) |
| 22:34 | <Internat> | i had a good xen one actually |
| 22:34 | <ang> | everyone i've found seems pretty old :) |
| 22:34 | <Internat> | http://www.sysadminsjourney.com/content/bringing-your-linode-home-with-you |
| 22:35 | <Internat> | its only a week old.. |
| 22:35 | <HoopyCat> | i'm hoping to have the human interface to the thermostat involve a couple toggle switches, a mean ol' pot, and a couple nixie tubes |
| 22:35 | <ang> | plus i'm so slackware-centric which I failed miserably to get working as dom0 |
| 22:35 | <HoopyCat> | you want it warmer? well, you're going to have to TURN A KNOB ON THE SCARY METAL BOX WITH THE FREAKY TUBES |
| 22:36 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:36 | <Internat> | lol |
| 22:36 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 22:36 | <path-> | nixie tube thermostat?? |
| 22:36 | <path-> | aren't they expensive? |
| 22:36 | <Internat> | the friend in question also configured his mac to do the compiling if he banged the desk hard enuff.. it joults the inbuilt motion sensors and teh code starts.. |
| 22:37 | <HoopyCat> | path-: only the best will do in the common area of the house |
| 22:37 | <b4> | haha |
| 22:37 | <b4> | the ddos dude apparently was kidding |
| 22:37 | <b4> | and there is no explanatino for recieveing 23GB |
| 22:38 | <ang> | Internat: hmm, looks ok. "For me, I just popped in a Centos 5.2 CD, and installed the base OS plus the virtualization package." would be nice if the package was named :) |
| 22:39 | <z3e0> | hey guys whos got a good promo code |
| 22:39 | <z3e0> | for the 20 bux plan |
| 22:39 | <mwalling> | 18:09 < mwalling> z3e0: last i heard the only active promo codes were for rails rumble participants |
| 22:39 | <b4> | who would wnat money of the $20 plan |
| 22:39 | <b4> | it's cheap already |
| 22:39 | <HoopyCat> | path-: http://www.neonixie.com/ |
| 22:40 | <path-> | i know a lot of people have them, but i thought it'd be cool to build one of those clocks |
| 22:40 | <path-> | well, maybe not alot |
| 22:41 | <HoopyCat> | path-: i've never seen one in real life, but Yaakov mentioned 'em a couple days ago and i've become rather smitten |
| 22:42 | <sbyrne> | caker: The Xen migration is slick. You guys are great. |
| 22:42 | <path-> | i've never seen one in real life either.. not that i recall anyhow |
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| 22:43 | <HoopyCat> | path-: http://www.allspectrum.com/store/popup_image.php?PICTURE=/semiconductors/ics/Neonixie/4DIGIT-NIXIE-CLOCK-CHIP/John_Lazzaro/clock02-small.jpg |
| 22:43 | <path-> | AH |
| 22:43 | <HoopyCat> | path-: those things will scare the shit out of small children in a dark room |
| 22:45 | <frzn> | caker, can you migrate my service please =/ |
| 22:46 | <toyo|desk> | frzn, I think you have to open a ticket to get moved |
| 22:46 | <toyo|desk> | least thats what I did |
| 22:46 | <frzn> | It is open, it said it would take a few seconds to move it. |
| 22:46 | <@caker> | frzn: migration configured |
| 22:47 | <HoopyCat> | things that terrified me as a child: the gas water heater, overhead round spotlights with waffle grids, reo speedwagon, the glowing coil inside of a slotcar throttle controller |
| 22:47 | <frzn> | Cheers! |
| 22:47 | <@caker> | :) |
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| 22:47 | <HoopyCat> | if i had known of them, nixie tubes would have probably championed that list |
| 22:47 | <path-> | http://www.allspectrum.com/store/popup_image.php?PICTURE=/semiconductors/ics/Neonixie/4DIGIT-NIXIE-CLOCK-CHIP/John_Lazzaro/clock02-small.jpg |
| 22:48 | <path-> | red ^ |
| 22:48 | <frzn> | Theres no data to be moved, I deleted my disk images |
| 22:48 | <frzn> | you can close the ticket, if you want, caker |
| 22:49 | <path-> | oops, copy paste fail |
| 22:50 | <path-> | http://www.allspectrum.com/store/popup_image.php?pID=47&osCsid=e42e72fd953c88e1468040b73206f3b5 |
| 22:50 | <path-> | horrible popup urls :( |
| 22:50 | <HoopyCat> | path-: i'm going to have nightmares tonight |
| 22:51 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:51 | <toyo|desk> | lol do incandescent light bulbs scare you too? |
| 22:51 | <fo0bar> | lolz |
| 22:51 | <HoopyCat> | toyo|desk: no comment |
| 22:51 | <toyo|desk> | :P |
| 22:52 | <Eman> | the smell of an old tv's tubes cooking off the dust is unmistakable |
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| 22:53 | <HoopyCat> | in a Which Questionable Content Character Are You quiz, i'd probably be hannelore |
| 22:53 | <toyo|desk> | so HoopyCat are you scared of electricity? |
| 22:53 | <HoopyCat> | Eman: i do love that smell |
| 22:54 | <HoopyCat> | toyo|desk: not really |
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| 22:54 | <toyo|desk> | hmm so http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/coil.jpg that dosent scare you? |
| 22:55 | <HoopyCat> | toyo|desk: nope |
| 22:55 | <Peng_> | An URL called "scott thong" scares me. |
| 22:55 | <toyo|desk> | haha |
| 22:55 | <toyo|desk> | yeah I missed that Peng |
| 22:55 | <toyo|desk> | :P |
| 22:59 | * | HoopyCat hits the easy button |
| 23:00 | <Eman> | what about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn5mJd2LW1A&feature=related |
| 23:00 | <toyo|desk> | me too |
| 23:00 | <HoopyCat> | pins 2 through 9 on this connector map to relays 1 through 8 on this board. thanks, +5VDC terminal! |
| 23:00 | <toyo|desk> | HoopyCat, I have one on top of my monitor |
| 23:00 | <toyo|desk> | :D |
| 23:01 | <HoopyCat> | Eman: that's a pretty mundane one |
| 23:01 | <Eman> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au1nJ-2zg0w&feature=related |
| 23:01 | <Eman> | thats better |
| 23:02 | <HoopyCat> | Eman: yeah, that's about there |
| 23:02 | <HoopyCat> | doesn't creep me out, really |
| 23:03 | <HoopyCat> | my wife's an inside wireman[1] and i generally hang out in the available-residentially power band |
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| 23:04 | <path-> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCS8xeobg&feature=related |
| 23:04 | <HoopyCat> | [1] apparently, "inside wireperson" won't fit on the licenses or something |
| 23:04 | <HoopyCat> | path-: BLEVE! |
| 23:04 | <path-> | fire fire |
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| 23:05 | <@mikegrb> | /me explodes HoopyCat's vapor from boiled liquid |
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| 23:17 | <straterra> | hmm |
| 23:26 | <bd_> | hmmm |
| 23:26 | <bd_> | 2.6.28-git hardlocked when receiving reboot from the hypervisor. interesting |
| 23:27 | <bd_> | not reproducable on first try I guess |
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| 23:38 | <RickyWh> | what is IP Failover? |
| 23:39 | <mwalling> | it lets you bring up an ip address on another linode in the same datacenter |
| 23:40 | <bd_> | note to self: when fixing a broken menu.lst |
| 23:41 | <bd_> | don't hit 'reboot', then go iaw for a while, then wonder why the screen hasn't changed from the 'unable to mount root fs' panic from before |
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