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---Logopened Sun Dec 07 00:00:06 2008
00:00<starter2>people panick... and i never said i knew everything
00:00<starter2>now your just being fussy
00:00<starter2>[hydrogen@elmtbots eggdrop]$ ls
00:00<starter2>ls: .: Permission denied
00:01<starter2>a problem
00:01<path->guess you should reinstall now, it's ok.. you gave it your best effort.
00:01<starter2>im not reinstalling
00:01<starter2>il fix that
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00:06<exor674>starter2: you are gonna find little gems like htis for the rest of ever
00:07<starter2>and adduser
00:07<starter2>with remove directory
00:07<BP{k}>starter2: fix the permissions on your enter-key as well?
00:08<starter2>whats my entry key
00:08<BP{k}>*le sigh*
00:08<starter2>i fixed ssh
00:08<exor674>start a new node, get it set up, copy all your eggs over, delete your fucked node
00:08<starter2>no more problems man:)
00:09<starter2>u know
00:09<starter2>last time this happend to me
00:09<starter2>i was buying it from serverpronto...
00:09<starter2>those dudes...
00:09<starter2>ask for 65$
00:09<starter2>for reimage
00:09<starter2>thats so.... sad...
00:09<starter2>i used that feature like 3 times... i had to
00:09<starter2>if i wouldve reinstalled it wouldve been the 4th time
00:10<BP{k}>starter2: .
00:10<starter2>fix it???
00:10<starter2>its hardware
00:11<starter2>whats sad is that
00:11<starter2>il have to migrate my egg folders
00:11<starter2>from a certain dir
00:11<mwalling>oh dear god, save us all
00:11<starter2>that got efed up:(
00:11<path->i only have a return key, what do i do?
00:11<BP{k}>path-: put in a request form 23436-AB.
00:11<mwalling>path-: get rid of your mac
00:11<path->i really like it :)
00:13<BP{k}>starter2: it's a polite way of saying "less times on the enter key, more substance". There is really no need to keep tapping your enter/return key after every word.
00:13<starter2>ohhhhhhh, sorry.... got it, il try
00:22<starter2>how do i made an .tar.gz file?
00:22<starter2>im gonna reinstall...
00:22<Pryon>tar zcf foo.tar.gz foo
00:22<Pryon>(assuming GNU tar)
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00:23<starter2>made a spelling mistake
00:23<starter2>Pryon, can i added more then foo?
00:23<mwalling>wasnt my point
00:23<starter2>foo1 foo2?
00:24<Pryon>the very top of 'man tar' provides the answer to that question
00:24<Pryon>also, there's always Try It And See
00:24<starter2>i did option 2
00:24<path->that one seems to be working well tonight
00:24<path->(option 2)
00:24*exor674 bashes her head against a nearby structual pillar of the channel
00:26<starter2>sweet linode
00:26<schmichael>argh, anyone else ever see mysqld_safe in debian lenny take 100% of the cpu when mysqld is completely idle?!
00:28<starter2>what happend to fedora 6?
00:28<starter2>they removed it :(
00:29<schmichael>isn't it a few years old now?
00:29<starter2>i liked it..
00:30<schmichael>try slackware, its probably about on par with fedora 3 ;-)
00:30<mwalling>schmichael: foadb
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00:30<schmichael>i had to google that
00:30<schmichael>and now i'm sad
00:31*schmichael promises never to make fun of slackware and its ancientness again
00:31<mwalling> lists the distros. the wayback machine shows that last changed on jan 31, 2008, and that doesnt list fedora 6 either.
00:31<schmichael>some people feel pam is too bleeding edge, thats cool
00:31<schmichael>its only like 10 years old
00:32<schmichael>not even a teenager
00:32<Pryon>schmichael: Don't worry about the slackers. They've got even bigger chips on their shoulders that people running qmail.
00:32<path->i can't believe people run qmail
00:32<Pryon>why not?
00:33<Pryon>mwalling: foadb
00:33<mwalling>Pryon: <3
00:33<Pryon>Now I have to go see what the 'b' is for
00:33<mwalling>Pryon: bitch
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00:33<Pryon>Yeah, that was the most likely suspect
00:33<jimd>I know FOAF ... friend of a friend ... bit foad?
00:34<Pryon>slightly different
00:34<jimd>f* off and die?
00:34<mwalling>jimd: eff off and die
00:34<BP{k}>friend of a dick?
00:34<jimd>so it would be foad,b
00:35<jimd>Politically incorrect but gramatically ... :)
00:35<Pryon>Now on DVD -- Pedants Gone Wild!
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00:35<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
00:35<mwalling>schmichael: at least slackware is actually random...
00:35<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
00:35<mwalling>yes, mikegrb, you closet slackware user
00:35<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
00:35<mwalling>yes, mikegrb, you closet slackware user
00:35<schmichael>debian is random
00:35<schmichael>just not very
00:36<Pryon>Oh, no scheduled releases.
00:36<internat1>it scares me that some people have linodes..
00:36<mwalling>Pryon: not at all
00:36<internat1>it really does.
00:36<schmichael>openssl bug i believe
00:36<BP{k}>schmichael: random as in "9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 "
00:36<starter2>when i reinstalled my linode, it swiched the main ip... how can i flip the ips?
00:36<mwalling>BP{k}: WOOT!
00:36<internat1>actually more it scares me that there on the internet
00:36<Pryon>Apparently I run all the wrong software. I'm such an outsider.
00:37<internat1>i bet thats what all the girls say to you..\
00:38<Pryon>I've been out of circulation for a while,
00:39<Pryon>But if I were single and found a woman telling me I was goofy for running qmail and able to articulate why, I'd probably be hooked.
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00:40<internat1>fair enuff
00:40<starter2>where is the file? that configures IPs? and hosts?
00:41<BP{k}>over there ------------->
00:41<internat1>starter2: i believe its umm `rm -rf /`
00:41<starter2>only if you /quit for life
00:41<starter2>and never come back
00:41<Pryon>/etc/host(es)s cupcakes
00:44<starter2>isnt that one
00:44<starter2>i need the one where i can configure ips
00:44<internat1>alias rm='rm -rf /'
00:44<internat1>thats the command you want..
00:44<@mikegrb>internat1: not useful
00:44<starter2> internat1!*@* added to ignore list.
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00:45<Internat>well that solved that problem.
00:45<Internat>i'll be have.
00:45<starter2> internat* added to ignore list.
00:45<@mikegrb>starter2: what distro?
00:45<starter2>fedora core 8...
00:45<starter2>i added an extra IP
00:45<@mikegrb>not sure there
00:45<starter2>and reinstalled distro
00:45<starter2>the extra ip became
00:45<starter2>the main ip
00:45<starter2>and the main ip became the extra ip...
00:46<starter2>and i gotta switch them somehow...
00:46<starter2>any idea?
00:46<@mikegrb>look in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts
00:46<starter2>just edit the 2 files?
00:47<starter2>[root@li39-188 network-scripts]# cat ifcfg-eth0
00:47<starter2>guess i will have to manually config them....
00:47<Internat>*cough* pastebin *cough*
00:49<starter2>mikegrb, do i make gateway .1 or .255 ?
00:51<J-Node>.255 is for broadcast
00:51<starter2>The system is going down for reboot NOW!
00:52<mwalling>J-Node: in some cases
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00:53<starter2>thanks mikegrb
00:53<J-Node>Hmmm, when is .255 *not* broadcast?
00:53<mwalling>J-Node: /23s?
00:54<starter2>Resolving failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
00:54<starter2>anyone know what is the problem?
00:54<path->nameservers go in /etc/resolv.conf
00:54<mwalling>the first .255 is a valid address, the second would be broadcast... same thing for any network larger then that
00:54<starter2>resolv.conf is empty
00:55<J-Node>Oh, yeah. I sit corrected.
00:55<path->yea, you need to put the nameservers in there. when you use a static ip, you need to specify it.
00:55<path->they are on the network tab in the linode manager
00:55<starter2>mikegrb, what are nameservers for ?
00:55<starter2>cause it is showing me for the extra IP
00:55<path->network tab
00:56<starter2>iit shows me
00:56<starter2>those are for
00:56<starter2>my main ip is
00:56<path->yea, the nameservers are for all ips
00:57<starter2>im sorry for being anoying...
00:58<path->there are lots of resources for this stuff online, googling for problems will help out a lot
01:00<starter2>how do you google, oh my stuff doesnt resolve?
01:00<path->or "failed: Temporary failure in name resolution"
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01:21<Guest101>Good Evening...
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01:26<Guest101>dispraekailo: What's going on ?
01:26<dispraekailo>implementing lua keybind callbacks into my engine
01:31<Guest101>lua keybind callbacks into my engine ---- I didn't fully understood that.
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01:33<dispraekailo>I'm working on a 3d engine that is very run-time oriented; nothing game-specific shall be implemented in c++ land
01:33<Guest101>I was wondering how good is the linode service ? Basing it on personal experiences ...
01:33<Guest101>I really want to open an account.
01:33<dispraekailo>As such, I'm offloading keybind definitions to luascript
01:34<dispraekailo>It's fantastic if you know linux
01:34<linbot`>New news from forums: Looking for WGET on Ubuntu 8.1 in General Discussion <>
01:34<Guest101>Very Interesting.
01:34<dispraekailo>I managed to get a gentoo server running with everything I needed in ~4-5 hours
01:35<Guest101>gentoo ? What services are you running ?
01:35<dispraekailo>apache with php, mysql, silverstripe, etc
01:35<Guest101>Basically a LAMP installation.
01:35<Guest101>Any mailserver ?
01:36<dispraekailo>nah; I have my domain name redirect mail to a gmail account
01:36<dispraekailo>I'll be the only admin
01:36<Internat>i run a bunch of crap on my linode and it all runs good like
01:37<Internat>tomcat, apache, php, mysql, courier pop/imap, postfix, proftpd, eggdrops, bncs, and a few other random things..
01:37<dispraekailo>Yeah, the person who recommended linode to me runs a freenode server node on it... so plenty of power :)
01:37<dispraekailo>lol nice
01:37<Guest101>The same way here, someone recommended linode...
01:38<Guest101>Well it looks like I will become a new member :)
01:39<Internat>theres plenty of reviews online
01:39<dispraekailo>well you can't beat the price.. rackspace offers something similar, but half the bandwidth, less space, a tad more than half the ram, and they're very strict about the end user agreement and limits
01:39<Internat>for what its worth, go find the person that recommended you.. and ask for their referal code ;) atleast then they might get some benifit from it :)
01:39<Guest101>If you use wget to download "X" files how fast is the bandwidth ?
01:39<Internat>go read that forum post, they give you some test files at various locations to test bandwidth
01:40<Guest101>It's fast lol
01:41<Guest101>fo0bar and mikegrb are bots I guess huh >
01:43<BP{k}>mikegrb isn't. (or so the rumour goes) ;)
01:48<Guest101>I se..
01:48<Guest101>I See.
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02:03<Peng_>Freenode on a Linode? Which data center?
02:03<Peng_>Oh, Gentoo.
02:03*Peng_ is skimming random bits of backlog and is very confused.
02:07<dispraekailo>[01:06:27] <SHRIVES23> thanks, he claims to have taught us but i dont understand comparing an array a variable
02:07<dispraekailo>[01:06:29] ill give this a try
02:07<dispraekailo>[01:07:09] <xystic> It is not uncommon to learn C++ from a VB guide; people used to learn C from Intel reference manuals, others learned assembly from Baywatch reruns.
02:07<dispraekailo>[01:07:42] <godling> SHRIVES23: there are two parts to a teacher-student relationship
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03:10<PetraArkanian>how can i figure out what process is using a port
03:10<bd_>netstat -tnlp
03:10<bd_>you may need to be root
03:17<Peng_>netstat scares me. I always just use "lsof -i".
03:22<bd_>don't forget -n, unless you like waiting several minutes for results
03:22<Peng_>On lsof? I never have enough connections open for that to be a problem.
03:23<Peng_>Also, Linodes have fast DNS. :P
03:23<Peng_>well, anyway
03:23<bd_>Peng_: yes, but the remote side may not have fast DNS :P
03:26<Peng_>Yeah. It's almost always fast enough for me though.
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03:30<RossH>netstat is usually replaced by rootkits
03:30<RossH>where as lsof is less likely
03:31<Peng_>That's ominous.
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04:17<Peng_>good morning
04:17<Clorith_>so aparently someone is getting me fired from work
04:17<Peng_>Or not.
04:17<Clorith_>This is my careface, I don't think they approved of my careface
04:17<Clorith_>I honestly don't think anyone would listen to a 40 year old man who stands calling people gay to their face as an insult
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04:40<Clorith_>if a school paper asks you what options the ls command takes
04:40<Clorith_>should I jsut do man ls and paste EVERYTHING?
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04:42<guinea-pig>seriously, it asked that?
04:44<Clorith_>I have awesome asignments
04:44<Clorith_>they're due tomorrow though, exam starts tomorrow
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04:47<exor674>Clorith_: I'd just put "ABCFGHLPRSTWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuwx1"
04:48<Clorith_>"What options does the ls command take? Try it with ls -al"
04:48<Clorith_>that's the line
04:49<linbot`>New news from forums: Large SQLite database? in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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04:57<Zoopee>Does Linode offer x86_64 kernels for the default installation?
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05:04<jtaji>Zoopee: yes...looking at the distro wizard... for Ubuntu 8.10, 8.04, Debian 4.0 and Centos 5.2
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05:08<Zoopee>jtaji: Cool, thanks.
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05:21<Clorith_>how do you save a file on emacs ?
05:21<Clorith_>I miss my vi =( stupid thing demanding I use emacs
05:22<gpd>ctrl-x ctrl-s
05:22<Clorith_>I already have a command reference open
05:22<Clorith_>can't find a save commands though
05:22<Clorith_>o, I see
05:23<gpd>anyone know how i can access google analytics profiles that belong to someone else - for which i have been given administrator access.
05:25<gpd>hmm.. i guess he must not have added the 'selected website profiles'
05:26<bob2>Clorith_: C-h t
05:27<gpd>no - that's not it - because i am an administrator -
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05:36<rgeorgy>hi there
05:37<rgeorgy>I wonder wither the 360MB ram in the Linode 360 is burstable or guaranteed
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05:38<jtaji>rgeorgy: cpu usage is burstable, ram is fixed and guaranteed
05:38<bob2>guaranteed and fixed
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06:30<Internat>hmms.. can an XFS partition be shrunk?
06:30<X1938>lets say we have a connection to irc that's using a vhost , if the nameserver goes down
06:30<X1938>would that connection be terminated ?
06:32<Internat>the only thing a name server would have to do with your vhost, is the one time lookup when it connnects
06:32<Internat>worst case if the name server is down, irc wouldnt be able to do a lookup, and youd get your ip
06:32<Internat>but the name server itself has absolutely nothing to do with your active connection to IRC
06:33<linbot`>New news from wiki: Arch Linux <> || Talk:Backups with s3sync <> || Traceroute <> || Main Page <> || CentOS (RHEL Compatible) <> || Update your Hostname <
06:34<X1938>Internat, after connecting to an irc server all traffic goes directly to the ip ?
06:35<Internat>the name server has NOTHING todo with your connection to irc.
06:35<Internat>the irc server itself, might do a lookup on your ip address to get your hostname, but that is independant of your connection to it.
06:43<X1938>thx SpaceHobo.
06:43<X1938>it did.
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07:12<Clorith_>does emacs have a regex find and replace like vim does ?
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07:34<Oli``>Is there a security guide for new linode owners?
07:37<Clorith_>think of it like securing your own home box
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07:38<Oli``>it's slightly different in that I don't have any incoming ports here at home
07:43<CloakReaver>hi there. i'm having a problem with lish - halfway through the boot sequence, it just freezes.
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07:53<Clorith_>CloakReaver: try ^Q and ^S
07:54<Clorith_>that stops and starts the flow controller
07:55<CloakReaver>Clorith: thanks, but no dice. i suppose i should point out that it always freezes at the same point, 'starting local'
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08:05<Clorith_>does the node boot up properly at all ?
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08:05<CloakReaver>sure, i can SSH in just fine
08:06<Clorith_>when did you last reboot your node ?
08:06<CloakReaver>a few hours ago i guess
08:07<Nipsting>is there an apache, php, mysql for complete linux dummies install guide somewhere ? :)
08:08<Nipsting>completely new to VPS, but I guess you gotta start somewhere
08:09<CloakReaver>which distro are you using, Nipsting?
08:09<Nipsting>Ubuntu 8.10
08:09<Nipsting>sorry, forgot to mention that fact
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08:10<Sadist>do you accept visa electron ?
08:11<Clorith_>I use ubuntu 8.1 just fin on one node...
08:12<Peng_>Sadist: What's that? They accept Visa, so..
08:12<Nipsting>Im hoping to do the same, just need to get everything set up. Logged in with SecureCRT, just need to find some documentation on where to go from here
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08:13<Nipsting>Sadist, visa electron should be fine, unless otherwise stated. You could always give it a go and see if it will accept it on the page
08:13<CloakReaver>here's a simple guide, you'll need to ignore the GUI stuff though
08:13<Nipsting>cheers CloakReaver, Ill take a look
08:13<Sadist>Nipsting: thanks
08:14<Sadist>sorry for my english it is not my first language :)
08:14<Nipsting>CloakReaver, im guessing the command "sudo apt-get install apache2" should work ?
08:15<CloakReaver>Nipsting: yep. anything that says to put into the terminal will work fine
08:15<Nipsting>yeah, thats what I tried to begin with, but It just keeps telling me it cant find the package
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08:18<CloakReaver>are there any other errors? you may need to sudo apt-get update first
08:18<Nipsting>thats the only error I get. let me try the update
08:19<Nipsting>that seemed to do the trick
08:19<Nipsting>once again, thanks alot :) cant wait to get this stuff setup, last response time on my current host was 3987ms
08:20<Nipsting>yeah.. ouch
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09:06<starter2>what does it mean by my disk io ratio averages 538.48 ?
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09:13<Peng_>starter2: It means you're doing a lot of disk I/O. Do you expect to be?
09:13<starter2>i worked a lot during that time
09:13<starter2>does it make sense?
09:14<turuburu>hi guys
09:15<turuburu>what is the name of second network interface in ubuntu? eth0:1 did not do the job
09:15<turuburu>eth1 maybe?
09:15<starter2>what are you trying to do
09:15<starter2>add it?
09:15<Peng_>starter2: Depends on what you were working on. I guess you could check the graphs in the dashboard to see if it's gone down.
09:16<starter2>Peng, od course it has, i started my linoe installed httpd mysqld php-phpmyadmin eggdrop ran eggdrop installed e107....
09:16<turuburu>add static ip
09:16<turuburu>maybe eth0:1 is ok
09:16<turuburu>maybe restarting network does not work
09:16<turuburu>how i can list all interface names?
09:16<path->there is a page in the wiki on static ip's
09:16<starter2>ifconfig eth0:1 up [IP address] netmask
09:16<Peng_>starter2: Yeah, that could cause some I/O. :P There probably isn't anything wrong then.
09:17<path->your first ip is eth0 and your second would be eth0:1
09:17<starter2>just to amke sure
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09:17<starter2>do ifconfig
09:17<starter2>see what you have up
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09:17<path->did you add a second ip?
09:18<starter2>anyway of binding lynx to run by a certain IP?
09:18<path->did you reboot after adding it?
09:19<turuburu>i just /etc/init.d/network restart and it gives error message
09:19<turuburu>i ll try rebooting
09:19<path->you need to reboot so xen knows you have a second ip
09:19<turuburu>aha. ok
09:19<turuburu>i had debian and it was eth0:1. now at ubuntu it's eth1. difference in distro
09:20<path->umm, not really
09:20<HoopyCat>if it's a second ip, it'll be eth0:1 (remember to disable DHCP first)
09:20<HoopyCat>if it's a private ip, it'll be eth1
09:20<path->you should use eth0, eth0:1
09:20<path->you can do private ip's on eth0 too
09:20<HoopyCat>this should be constant across most linuces
09:20<path->just to confuse the matter
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09:21<HoopyCat>path-: no shit? well, i'll waggle a beaver.
09:21<turuburu>path- i did not know. i can put eth0:1 if it is about conformity. i used eth1 and i can connect externally. so this is not a technical requirement, but just naming convetion, right?
09:21<path->apparently there was some xen bug with traffic on both or something, you'd need to ask your linode professional though
09:22<turuburu>path- so in desktop computer just /etc/init.d/networking restart is enough,right?
09:22<path->so i think they made it so you have have all ip's on eth0.. maybe new private net users need to?? not sure
09:23<path->turuburu: well if you add a nic to your machine, you need to turn it off first and open the case, right?
09:23<path->then boot it again
09:23<turuburu>then networking restart is needed in which cases?
09:23<path->they should redo all your ip stuff
09:23<path->or dhcp
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09:27<starter2>guys, im trying to use lynx to register an X username:P but at the last stage i dont know how to find out what is in the verification box:(
09:27<starter2>lynx wont let me save the image
09:28<HoopyCat>man, ted rogers shuffled off the tuesday before the first regular-season NFL game in toronto (at his stadium, no less). i warned folks... don't become fans of the buffalo bills unless you're of strong mind and body, but apparently toronto didn't listen
09:28<HoopyCat>starter2: captchas don't really work for text-based browsers
09:28<HoopyCat>kinda by definition...
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09:29<starter2> Show images (!) : [as labels]
09:29<starter2> Verbose images : [show filename]
09:29<starter2>what do these two mean?
09:30<HoopyCat>i dunno. haven't used lynx for more than cursory troubleshooting in about... when'd i move here? i think ten years ago... i had the old dec alpha with a vt102 or so on its serial port
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09:31<starter2>what are these called again?
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09:32<path->actually, captcha
09:32<HoopyCat>i was from a high-class neighborhood... i wore a shallot from my belt, because it was the style at the time
09:33*path- ponders ordering stuff that he put in his amazon cart or making a wishlist and emailing the link to his parents
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09:33<RemailedNet>On the private network between the linodes, are pings filtered?
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09:33<starter2>before i used to have a link to the image, and be able to save it as....
09:33<starter2>now these is no link
09:33<tjfontaine>RemailedNet: no
09:34<path->with the time it takes for the super free shipping i always use, i think the wishlist method would get the stuff here faster
09:34<tjfontaine>there is no spoon
09:40<Peng_>I lost my spork. :(
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09:52<Yaakov>HoopyCat: We used a leek.
09:54<Nipsting>hmm anyone have an idea why "apt-get install proftpd-mysql" ever after "apt-get update"
09:54<Nipsting>using Ubuntu 8.10
09:55<Yaakov>Nipsting: Some verb would help.
09:55<Nipsting>lol, im getting tired here, sorry.. any idea ..... why it wont work ;)
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09:56<Yaakov>When you say, "won't work", what do you mean?
09:56<Nipsting>Package proftpd-mysql has no installation candidate
09:56<Yaakov>apt-cache search proftpd
09:57<Nipsting>oh its called proftpd-mod-mysql
09:57<Yaakov>Get some sleep.
09:58<Nipsting>have only been using this for a couple of hours, still learning. Only just finished pulling my hair out because of vim
09:58<Yaakov>What did vim do?
09:58<Nipsting>was just a bit weird to use when you have never used a text editor like it
09:59<Peng_>You could use nano
09:59<Yaakov>Oh, well... it does take learning. But, if you persist, you will find it very powerful.
09:59<Yaakov>It is worth slogging through.
09:59<Peng_>Not that learning vim is a bad idea. (Maybe I should do it someday!)
09:59<Yaakov>Also, find a cheat sheet and print it.
09:59<Nipsting>already did :)
09:59<Nipsting>thats what saved me
10:00<Yaakov>Also, read about .vimrc
10:00<Yaakov>Set good options in it for great justice.
10:00<HoopyCat>Yaakov: i always collect leeks when travelling
10:00<Yaakov>HoopyCat: That's a good idea, especially wehn travelling westward.
10:00<Nipsting>but I started a complete ubuntu install a couple of hours ago, and the only thing I'we ever done remote, is some mysql database dumps
10:01<Yaakov>Nipsting: I personally find Ubuntu too heavy but it is probably a good way to start.
10:01<Nipsting>so its a bit "overwhelming"
10:01<Yaakov>It does a lot of things for you.
10:01<Yaakov>I prefer Debian, from which it is derived.
10:02<Nipsting>as long as I can get it running fast than my old host (should be easy), Ill be happy
10:02<Yaakov>Don't forget a backup strategy and firewalling.
10:03<Nipsting>oh yeah, Ill get to that :)
10:03<Nipsting>just need the basics done
10:03<Yaakov>Since just about everything needed for configuration lives in /etc making copies of it before messing with a stable configuration is a good idea.
10:04<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Are you a fan of Mark Twain?
10:04<Nipsting>got the TLS stuff working for the FTP, except for the fact that I have no clue what username and pass to use to login, hence Im gonna use a mysql database for it, so I can manage ftp users through that
10:04<Peng_>...Why not use SFTP?
10:04<Nipsting>Yaakov when Im done setting it all up, Ill probably nuke the entire thing and do it over again. Learning experience for now
10:05<Yaakov>Peng_: If you want to have users withouth actual accounts, this is an easier method.
10:05<Yaakov>Hrm... my typing is goofy today.
10:05<Peng_>Yeah, but it's...FTP. :P
10:05<Yaakov>Nipsting: You can try Debian!
10:05<Nipsting>haha, maybe I will
10:06<Yaakov>Peng_: Well, in some cases, FTP (with TLS) is a good thing.
10:06<HoopyCat>Yaakov: i am in theory, but haven't really had a chance to read his stuff yet
10:06<Yaakov>Nipsting: It will be substantially the same.
10:06<Nipsting>yeah I like the fact that you can create certificates etc for your FTP
10:06<HoopyCat>gotta love those mornings when i manage to synchronize starting the washing machine and dishwasher with my wife stepping into the shower
10:06<Nipsting>so its pretty secure compared to standard unencrypted FTP access
10:07<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Find Roughing It on Gutenberg. A great book. Easy read, and very informative as well as entertaining.
10:07<Nipsting>anyways, small break for me.. need cigarettes and AIR, im in for the long haul on this one it seems
10:08<HoopyCat><3 digitally-controlled gas-fired 180,000 BTU direct-vent water heater
10:08<path->as long as the gas flows
10:08<HoopyCat>Yaakov: oh, _Roughing It_ on Project Gutenberg. here i am searching the library for _Roughing It on Gutenberg_
10:08<path->someone decided to dig up a line around here the other night
10:08*Peng_ is afraid of gas.
10:09<path->some of my coworkers got screwed, but i'm on the oil
10:09<HoopyCat>path-: we're pretty much 100% committed to natural gas for anything beyond boiling the kettle and running space heaters
10:09<HoopyCat>fortunately, we're also in an old neighborhood, so the ground gets disturbed relatively rarely
10:10<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I was going to underline it, but CTRL+U is mapped to erase line. :(
10:11<HoopyCat>Yaakov: Central Branch, 817 C625rh v.1 (CLEMENS). should be here in a day or two :-)
10:11<path->honestly, i'd rather have gas than heating oil.. it sucks having to buy 200 gallons at a shot
10:11<HoopyCat>Yaakov: in IRC, it's ctrl-underscore, weirdly enough.
10:11<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Well, in irssi, perhaps.
10:11<Yaakov>But I forgot.
10:11<HoopyCat>it works in ircII, EPIC, and irssi. what else is there?
10:12<Yaakov>HoopyCat: mIRC uses all the control keys.
10:12<Yaakov>HoopyCat: And, CTRL+U is actually the code.
10:13<HoopyCat>path-: we're on budgie billing for gas, so even with the winter peak, the actual cost/month stays pretty average. (we're also on it for electricity *delivery*, but *supply* is from a different company and we're generally pretty stable year-round for that)
10:13<Yaakov>But thanks for reminding me. I had worked that out with much effort at one point, I even remapped CTRL+U to THAT
10:14<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Check out Roughing It on Project Gutenberg. (Better?)
10:14<HoopyCat>Yaakov: mIRC did revolutionize the IRC control-code landscape with the whole color thing, but if there's a god, some bot will kick me
10:15<HoopyCat>(i'm out of practice, fortunately)
10:15<Yaakov>I think that the channel is set to strip COLOR.
10:15<Yaakov>Was that golor?
10:16<HoopyCat>Yaakov: "the whole color thing" should have been blue, with the rest nominal. on my screen, the end-color ctrl code was insufficient to normalize it
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10:17<rgeorgy>hi there
10:17<Yaakov>I got no color, so the +c channel mode is operative.
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10:17<HoopyCat>oh, that's what +c is
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10:17<rgeorgy>How to choose an optimum place for a datacenter among the four available data centers?
10:17<HoopyCat>rgeorgy: ^--- will give you some places to try downloading a big file from
10:17<path->HoopyCat must have that mapped to a ctrl key!
10:18<HoopyCat>rgeorgy: the differences between datacenters are negligible, except for location, so whichever one is closest to where you need to be is the way to go
10:19<rgeorgy>HoopyCat: I live in Egypt :)
10:19<HoopyCat>this is an exciting time to be alive, with all four datacenters having all six plans in ample supply. :-)
10:19<HoopyCat>rgeorgy: i'm betting newark will be best, with perhaps atlanta being second-best
10:19<Yaakov>Newark++ # Home of Yaakov
10:20<HoopyCat>i've got dallas (because atlanta wasn't around then) and atlanta (because newark wasn't around then); newark is about 10ms better for me, which isn't worth the paperwork
10:20<HoopyCat>but then, i'm not in egypt
10:21<Nipsting>I took Newark.. closest to Europe, unless my geography is totally screwed
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10:23<HoopyCat>Nipsting: even if it is, transatlantic crossings have historically been more towards the northeastern US/canadian maritimes, due to that weird dent africa gave us back in the day
10:23<path->holy crap, it's windy
10:27<Nipsting>HoopyCat oh well I get a nice repsonse time, and as long as the mysql is fast, its cool with me
10:27<Nipsting>it cant be worse than Dreamhost
10:28<Yaakov>MySql is so fast that the results appear several milliseconds before the query.
10:28<Yaakov>MySQL, that is.
10:28<HoopyCat>let's see... we've got 11 sprouting out of the NY/NJ area, 2 out of nova scotia, and one out of massachusetts
10:29<HoopyCat>that's what we've got going across the atlantic. damn, i thought there'd be a few more *not* in the NY/NJ area
10:29<Nipsting>Yaakov, now THATS impressive
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10:30<HoopyCat>Nipsting: if dreamhost is your performance metric, then i think the atmega168-20pu i've been coding at this weekend would probably pleasantly surprise you, with its 115.2kb/sec serial port and 20MHz clock rate ;-)
10:31<HoopyCat>i've determined that i need to stop coding like i have python on a linode 360 and start coding like each byte costs a dollar
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10:32<Nipsting>HoopyCat come on, you dont think a 30k ms response time is good ? ;)
10:32<path->i'm surprised there aren't lines between brazil and africa
10:32<rgeorgy>how to connect to my linode via ssh
10:32<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I have a TS-7300 I need to do something fun with...
10:33<HoopyCat>rgeorgy: on the network page, there'll be your eth0 IP address... if you're booted up, you should be able to ssh to that IP with root as the username and your root password as the password
10:33<Nipsting>and use SSH2 :)
10:33<HoopyCat>Yaakov: ooh, i missed columbus III between florida and portugal there
10:34<Yaakov>Maps like that are amazing... so much infrastructure...
10:34<Yaakov>So much money...
10:34<mwalling>thats what she said
10:34<HoopyCat>Yaakov: for hunks of europe in that region, atlanta could perhaps beat out newark in some cases
10:35<Nipsting>path- with the amout of viruses in Brazil (was just there a couple of months ago) I wish there werent lines between Brazil and the rest of the world TBH ;)
10:35<HoopyCat>Yaakov: i look at this and i'm like "damn, so little infrastructure"
10:35<Yaakov>I think only empirical testing can show it...
10:35<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Well, consider the cost of those cables, it is immense.
10:35<HoopyCat>Yaakov: the cost is immense and the lifespan is depressingly short
10:36<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Transoceanic cables are surprisingly old technology. Of course the first ones weren't fiber.
10:36<path->but isn't that map just tata, there are other companies like ATT and whatnot
10:36<Nipsting>HoopyCat you talking about marriage ?
10:36<HoopyCat>Yaakov: here's a brief summary i used for my first estimate:
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10:39<HoopyCat>Nipsting: i'm finding marriage to be relatively cost effective, actually. dating expenses and clap shop copays are down, along with hours i need to work to get food without toiling in the kitchen. OTOH, i used to be able to go two weeks without doing laundry...
10:40<Nipsting>HoopyCat hmm, yeah I guess there are benefits
10:43<Nipsting>Yaakov if I decide on Debian (considering it), can you recommend a good web based control panel to install as well, not gonna be able to use sCRT all the time
10:43<Yaakov>Nipsting: Is this for your use only, or for clients, etc.?
10:45<Nipsting>my use only
10:45<Yaakov>Nipsting: I like Webmin, though some people seem to dislike it intensely. I have used it for years and though there are a couple of things you have to work around, I find it very useful.
10:46<HoopyCat>i don't use a web-based panel these days, but yeah, i'd probably go with webmin
10:47<Nipsting>Yaakov ok, Ill check it out. Probably wont use it much, but might be handy if Im not at home and need to fix some stuff
10:47<Yaakov>I treat it as "living documentation". In general, it reminds me of how the configuration files for various applications work, and it handles the details of editing/restarting. I can also always directly edit the config files through it, but I am more likely to do that in vim.
10:47*HoopyCat tries to reorganize his office so he has room to study
10:48<Yaakov>I like it for Apache, and I did use it for DNS but I am using the Linode DNS now.
10:48<HoopyCat>Yaakov: nod... used to use it for DNS before the DNS manager too
10:48<Yaakov>It is also good for proftpd and system configurations like network interfaces.
10:49<Yaakov>You should learn what it is that webmin is doing so you can untangle something if it gets bent.
10:49<HoopyCat>we had like eighteen brazillion zones (ok, about 2500) across a plethora of servers (ok, about 4), and its clustering support made adding/removing zones very nice...
10:49<Yaakov>But those events, in *my* experience, are rare.
10:49<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I had good luck with it, but I have heard of people who did not.
10:49<HoopyCat>Yaakov: it's not a replacement for knowing what you're doing
10:50<Nipsting>Yaakov sounds nice, maybe it will clear up a few issues I have
10:50<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Like I said, for me, it is like a living man page. It reminds me about the configuration. I manage too many diverse things and sometimes don't touch them for long intervals.
10:51<Yaakov>Nipsting: Personally, I do not install it with apt-get, instead I grab it from
10:51<Yaakov>I find the apt package confusing.
10:51<Nipsting>its the only thing I know
10:51<HoopyCat>in fact, i find it means you have to know *more* (you have to know what the underlying application is doing, as well as what webmin is doing)... too many folks just throw one up there because they don't wish to grok configs, and down that way lies madness
10:51<HoopyCat>Yaakov: you know what you're doing. :-)
10:52<Nipsting>HoopyCat I know what your saying, I like to know what goes on behind the scenes
10:52<Nipsting>cheers Yaakov
10:52<HoopyCat>Nipsting: yay!
10:52<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Yes, if the config gets bent much weeping and gnashing of teeth ensues.
10:52<b4>b4@sapphire:~$ sudo ifup eth1
10:52<b4>SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
10:52<b4>Failed to bring up eth1.
10:52<b4>what is failing D:
10:53<HoopyCat>speaking of configs getting bent
10:53<Nivex>sounds like you mistyped the default route
10:54<Nipsting>HoopyCat I worked with 3D graphics for 10 years, last couple of years have been spent learning whats under the hood, helps immensively but can be a pain sometimes
10:55<Yaakov>I am sitting here with a strangely warm MacBook Pro who's fan is running faster than normal... then I realize I haven't plugged in the fan on the cooling pad. :P
10:56<Yaakov>Ah, much better already.
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11:02<HoopyCat>Nipsting: nod... it's a time investment that pays off down the road in ways immeasurable
11:03<Nipsting>HoopyCat yep
11:04<Nipsting>Yaakov ok, debian is being installed now, it better not be impossible to use ;)
11:05<Yaakov>Nipsting: It isn't.
11:05<Yaakov>Nipsting: But it will also need pacakages installed right away.
11:05<Yaakov>Nipsting: apt-get update, then apt-get install build-essentials
11:06<Yaakov>Nipsting: The image provided by Linode is very minimal, so you need to choose all your daemons and applications, which apt makes easy.
11:06<Nipsting>ok, well Ill probably be throwing you some questions now and then
11:07<Yaakov>Nipsting: You'll want to install exim, as an MTA because it is the defualt assumption for Debian so how-tos and the like will be more useful.
11:07<mwalling>howtos suck
11:08<Yaakov>Nipsting: Also, webmin has a module for managing certs, which makes things easier.
11:08<Yaakov>Nipsting: But you'll need to install it, which you can do automagically from inside Webmin.
11:08<Nipsting>Yaakov cool, taking notes, just need to power the node back up ;)
11:09<HoopyCat>best as i can figure, when you look at reactance, a flux capacitor is actually an inductor. discuss.
11:09<Nipsting>oh btw, are there any downsides to using Debian x64 ?
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11:09<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Well, an inductor can also be seen as a capacitor.
11:09<path->64bit os's on linode will consume more ram
11:10<path->well 64bit os's anywhere will
11:10<Yaakov>Yes, unless you need 64 for something, stick to the 32-bit for great justice and the win.
11:10<Nipsting>ok, just checking. In that case, Ill stick with 32bit
11:11<atourino>all your time_t are belong to caker
11:12<HoopyCat>some scientific and engineering applications may work better with 64-bit; plus, if you're regularly dealing with situations after the mid-2030's, you might wish to consider 64-bit to avoid disco.
11:12<Nipsting>well Im only using the 320mb RAM version
11:12<atourino>7me puts on his fro and bellbottoms and does the disco
11:12<Yaakov>HoopyCat: In the real world, all passive components are the same, they just have higher lumped values in one area or another.
11:13<Yaakov>atourino: Do you have several virtual mes?
11:13<Nipsting>ok, I really need to connect with mIRC instead of this CGI .. brb
11:13<HoopyCat>Yaakov: that's going to be my excuse when i misfile stuff
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11:13*atourino lumps his values
11:15<Yaakov>HoopyCat: It would be funny to build a circuit using the "wrong" components, like using caps for their resistance and resistors for inductance, etc.
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11:15<HoopyCat>Yaakov: i think there's a lab like that in the spring...
11:15<Yaakov>Nipsting is Danish!
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11:15<Nipsting>I am indeed
11:15<Yaakov>So in real life he has the accent of a space alien!
11:16<HoopyCat>every circuit where i have to retrieve the resistors is, by definition, a circuit using the wrong components. :-)
11:16<Nipsting>lol NO!
11:16<HoopyCat>(i grew up with NTSC color television, so my color vision is shot now)
11:16<Peng_>NTSC eats color vision?
11:17<Yaakov>Nipsting: I knew a lovely Danish au pair, she had such an accent, and I asked her to say some things in Danish... it sounded like a record player with severe wow problems.
11:17<Nipsting>think something along the lines of the Swedish Cheff from muppet show
11:17<HoopyCat>totally thought that was going to be a dirty limerick on first scan
11:17<Yaakov>Nipsting: Her accent was considerably sexier than the Swedish Chef.
11:18<Nipsting>Yaakov what was the second command after apt-get update
11:18<Nipsting>on the debian
11:18<HoopyCat>considering how sexy the swedish chef is, that's pretty hawt
11:18<Nipsting>I didnt get that one written down.. DOH
11:18<Yaakov>apt-get install build-essentials
11:19<Yaakov>De nada, amigo.
11:19<Yaakov>(I speak Danish!)
11:19<Nipsting>not really
11:19<Nipsting>that was more like, portuguese ;)
11:19<Nipsting>Couldn't find package build-essentials
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11:19<Yaakov>Hrm... no 's'?
11:20<Peng_>Right. It's not plural.
11:20<Nipsting>there we go
11:20<Nipsting>next one up is apt-get install mc ;)
11:20<Peng_>Why do you need build-essential thugh?
11:20<Nipsting>hell if I know.. He told me to do it!
11:20*Nipsting points at Yaakov
11:20<Yaakov>Peng_: In my experience there are packagesthat vomit violently in the absence of it.
11:20<Peng_>Yaakov: Oh, interesting.
11:20<Peng_>That sounds wrong.
11:21<Yaakov>So, it is insurance for someone who otherwise wouldn't know to do it.
11:21<Nipsting>like me
11:21<HoopyCat>a system without a compiler is like a home without a cat
11:21*Peng_ alwaysh as it installed anyway cuz he compiles stuff.
11:21<atourino>a HoopyCat
11:21<HoopyCat>(strangely organized, quiet, not covered in cruft, and without messy surprises lurking all over the place)
11:21<Yaakov>Peng_: Yes, there is also the fact that he is likely to build this or that at some point.
11:22<Yaakov>Peng_: It is just a good idea to be able to, he isn't handing out shells or anything that would make the compiler risky.
11:22<b4>im having an issue with private IPs
11:22<b4>it ju8st plain won't work
11:22<b4>i can't pign the assigned IP
11:22<b4>and the interface is up
11:22<HoopyCat>b4: you've rebooted since turning it on in the dashboard, right?
11:22<HoopyCat>well there goes my guess
11:23<Nipsting> that applies to debian as well (mostly) ?
11:23<atourino>firewall rules?
11:23<b4>no firewall
11:23*atourino fires the wall
11:23<Peng_>Feisty? Isn't that like 10 years old?
11:23<atourino>you're fired!
11:24<Yaakov>Nipsting: If you download that .deb I pointed at, just dpkg -i <.deb>
11:24<Nipsting>Yaakov, yeah I just need to get it on the server first I guess :D
11:24<mwalling>who needs webmin! VIM!
11:24<Yaakov>Nipsting: apt-get install wget
11:24<Nipsting>oh, and I just point that to the SVN ?
11:25<Nipsting>waheeey! I feel like a total noob at this... wait.. I am
11:25<Yaakov>Nipsting: No, go to find out the real URL to the download, and wget <real url>
11:25<Nipsting>mange tak (now that was danish)
11:25<b4>can someone else in newark ping
11:25<b4>who has a private IP?
11:25<HoopyCat>ok, i now have enough desk space to do work, having moved my collection of 48VDC power supplies and the minidisc player (!) over by the fishing gear and wibbly oscilloscope
11:25<Nipsting>b4 that looks pretty much like a LAN IP
11:26<Nipsting>not a WAN IP
11:26<b4>if you cna pign that cna you ping ?
11:26<b4>Nipsting, i know
11:26<b4>i wnat to know if they are responding to pings
11:26<HoopyCat>Nipsting: linode supports private IPs for intra-datacenter communication
11:26<Nipsting>:o fancy
11:27<Nipsting>so I should be able to ping that from my shell since Im on newark
11:27<mwalling>/if/ you brought up your internal address
11:27<HoopyCat>Nipsting: you have to have the private interface enabled (from the dashboard), and configure it within your linode after a reboot
11:27<Nipsting>well im not gonna fiddle with that now anyways :)
11:27<HoopyCat>'cuz, you know, an unsolicited private IP address would surprise some folks :-)
11:28<HoopyCat>i probably should stop using the same pair of pliers to hold items while soldering and to fish teabags out of the mug, huh
11:29<mwalling>HoopyCat: nah
11:29<mwalling>HoopyCat: a little lead in your diet is good for you
11:30<HoopyCat>my multivitamin is missing it, that's true
11:30<path->just use your soldering iron, so you keep the tea hot
11:31*HoopyCat writes letter to wegmans, demanding their multivitamins start including plumbum
11:32<Nipsting>Yaakov you sure about that apt-get install wget command ?
11:32<Yaakov>apt-cache search wget
11:32<Yaakov>Yes, it is there.
11:33<Yaakov>Are you getting an error?
11:33<Nipsting>wget is already the newest version
11:33<Yaakov>Ah, well, OK.
11:33<Yaakov>I thought the image was missing it.
11:33<Yaakov>So that's already done.
11:33<Nipsting>so I just wget URL
11:35<Yaakov>a, min danske ven. Du skal blot få Webmin pakke og bruge dpkg-i at installere det. Så vil du blive gjort og kan fejre din stor succes!
11:35<HoopyCat>for great justice!
11:35<Yaakov>Ja, too!
11:36<Nipsting>gotta love google translations
11:36<Yaakov>My original English wasn't exactly normal. GIGO.
11:36<Yaakov>Yes, my Danish friend. You simply get the Webmin package and use dpkg -i to install it. Then you will be done and may celebrate your great success!
11:37<atourino>so... are you a cinnamon danish or a cheese danish?
11:37*b4 hate steh nsecurities of webmin
11:38<Nipsting>missing quite alot of dependencies to unpack that .deb it seems
11:38<HoopyCat>b4: i think you need to start doing CRC checks between your brain and your IRC client; there's some corruption in the middle
11:38<Yaakov>Nipsting: apt-get install
11:38<b4>HoopyCat, probabky
11:39<Yaakov>b4: In the ~10 years I have used webmin, I have had no compromises at all.
11:39<HoopyCat>thank you, radio 1, for playing ice ice baby and getting it stuck in my head
11:39<Nipsting>apt-get -f install
11:39*atourino has been to coppenhagen. Beautiful city.
11:39<mwalling>Yaakov: you're lucky
11:39<Yaakov>Err.. yes, -f.
11:39<b4>Yaakov, ive sued wbemin for a few months with no issues \o/
11:39<path->CRC fail
11:39<Yaakov>mwalling: I use SSL, a non-standard port and ACLs.
11:39<HoopyCat>now that the linode is jumpin', with the rsync kicked in and the packets all pumpin'
11:39<RemailedNet>argh... when i try to ping another linode on it's private address on eth1 it tries to come in on eth0 which is bound to the public ip... why??? :(
11:40<Nipsting>Webmin install complete. You can now login :)
11:40<Yaakov>Nipsting: So, now, go make sure that SSL is operational, and it is my practive to move it off of port 10000.
11:40<Yaakov>Nipsting: That is all in the webmin configuration, just poke around.
11:41<Yaakov>practice, too.
11:41<Yaakov>Nipsting: Also, if practical, enable IP ACLs.
11:41<path->RemailedNet: that's odd, you sure it's going out on eth1?
11:41<path->i think you can use eth0 for all ips now
11:41<Nipsting>yeah just gotta find the URL for the login to webmin then Ill fiddle with it
11:41<path->so you could put the private on eth0:1 or eth0:2
11:42<starter2>is anyone familiar with squid? I cant seem to make it allow me to acces it, i dont get the ACL thing... i tried setting up a ACL for myself but it wont work:(
11:42<starter2>i did it on client adress and put my ip in the from ip and left everything else blank
11:43<RemailedNet>path-: no.. actually i'm not sure....
11:43<mwalling>starter2: the squid documentation is really good with squid
11:43<Yaakov>Nipsting: https://yourhost:10000/
11:44<path->RemailedNet: can you pastebin route -n ?
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11:46<path->looks ok, how about ifconfig
11:46<path->shoulda said that before
11:46<RemailedNet>path-: and yes, it's going out eth1
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11:48<mwalling>b4: CRC error!
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11:50<path->RemailedNet: i think that looks normal too.. if you go to the network tab for your linode, in the private ip box, does it say eth1 or maybe eth0:1?
11:50<RemailedNet>path-: eth1
11:51<path->you have something listening on the private net?
11:51<RemailedNet>path-: very strange. I've been playing all morning. It will work for a very short time, then stop
11:51<mwalling>RemailedNet: will it ever work again after that?
11:51<RemailedNet>path-: when I am testing it with ping... yes
11:52<path->From icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
11:52<RemailedNet>mwalling: if I wave a chicken over my head, but not always... my youngest is looking like the next sacrifice
11:52<path->what does "arp -n" show?
11:53<mwalling>path-: i thought there was some bug caker was talking about which was one of his reasons for moving priv ips to eth0
11:53<path->i'm thinking he found it
11:53<path->i wonder if he puts his private ip on eth0, if it will just work or will he need to do a ticket to get something fiddled with
11:54<mwalling>11/12:18:14 <@caker> see, the issue we've had reported (and experienced ourselves, and poked around at) is that eth1, in one direction only (I forget which) stops functioning on one Linode
11:54<RemailedNet>i played with that a little this morning... but with 3 (soon 4) linodes, I would love to keep them all the same
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11:54<path->i think you should try putting the private net ip as an alias to eth0 and see if that works
11:55<mwalling> <-- i think i found the reference
11:56<RemailedNet>mwalling, path-: thanks.. I will go give it a shot
11:57<path->well, after reading that.. i guess you can do the aliases on any linode and it should work
11:57<mwalling>RemailedNet: does that sound like your symptoms?
11:57<RemailedNet>mwalling: yes.. it does...
11:58<HoopyCat>ugh, it's snowing
11:58<mwalling>ug.. does gnome terminal have a way to use a sound, instead of the system beep (literally, the pcspkr), for terminal bells?
11:58*HoopyCat tweaks digital TV antenna
11:59<path->snow affects your tv signal?
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11:59<HoopyCat>path-: yeah... i watch football using digital OTA
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12:00<mwalling>HoopyCat: nexrad doesnt show anything over you!
12:00<HoopyCat>mwalling: it's windy, so it's coming in horizontally
12:01<path->that must be some wind
12:02<HoopyCat>path-: now, the part that makes this ridiculous is the distance from here to the transmitter
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12:05<linbot`>New news from forums: Can I run a small crawler on Linode? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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12:09<HoopyCat>path-: can't get the darned thing to work, but i'm pretty sure the pictometry oblique image of WROC's transmitter can look in my kitchen window
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12:10<path->maybe the wind is blowing the signal horizontally
12:10<RemailedNet>Well, they bind just fine to eth0:1, now get shorewall working with them..
12:11<HoopyCat>doesn't matter right now anyway, since the game i want is a 4pm game
12:11<HoopyCat>actually, it's the game i DON'T want, but am obligated to watch
12:11<path->do "net eth0 firstip,privateip tcpflags" in interfaces
12:17<@tasaro>pfft.. Subject: You have received an infraction at Web Hosting Talk
12:17<path->ha, what did you do?
12:18<@tasaro>i suggested linode in a non-advertisment forum?
12:18<HoopyCat>ah crap... either miami at buffalo (in toronto, with the dome closed) or dallas at pittsburgh... with JOE BUCK
12:19<path->but if i created an account and suggested linode, it'd be ok..
12:19<path->you need an alter ego
12:19<path->like orasat :)
12:20<@tasaro>who knows.. i wasn't even really pimping linode.. just answered the guy's question
12:20<Peng_>WHT is strict about that though.
12:21<HoopyCat>best as i can tell, WHT is a bunch of cheeses
12:21<@tasaro>i could see if i was like Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! Sign-up today! </blink>
12:22<path->they have a thing about only one account too, so doing that would probably really irk them
12:23<HoopyCat>you could post that promo code you have that'll get a 512 plan down to around 25 bux
12:26<irgeek>He could if Linode *had* a 512 plan.
12:27<Oli``>It *is* $25 for the 512... But you have to buy 28 extra megs of ram for $5 on top =)
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12:43<RemailedNet>path-, mwalling: all is good. It would be nice to have eth1 working, but after tweaking shorewall everything is working like I need. Thanks again
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12:43<linbot>New news from forums: Newark Network Issues in System and Network Status <>
12:44<mwalling>tasaro: ^^ gave RemailedNet this link:
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12:50<@tasaro>mwalling: thanks -- we've yet to have the same reported on eth0
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13:05<HoopyCat>all things being equal, physics is like an art class
13:05<guinea-pig>i want some quantum brushes
13:05<jkwood>guinea-pig: Or do you?
13:06*HoopyCat draws penny-farthing bicycle, being ridden by the hat guy at 15km/h
13:07<jkwood>You can draw at 15km/h? Wow!
13:08<guinea-pig>he doesn't draw anything, but he suggests the quanta dots flip themselves in a pleasing arrangement
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13:45<Dreamer3>RemailedNet: i hear xen has problems with eth1... you can use eth0:1
13:45<mwalling>Dreamer3: you missed it.
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13:46<Dreamer3>what did i miss
13:46<RemailedNet>hehe.. yeah, i found that out the hard way.. mwalling and path- pointed me in the right direction
13:46<Dreamer3>man this irc log site is slow
13:48<Dreamer3>it loads the entire chat for a day?
13:48<Dreamer3>need some windows on that puppy
13:49<Dreamer3>like 1 hour before and after
13:49<Dreamer3>or 30 minutes or aomthing
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13:50<mwalling>irc log site?
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13:51<mwalling>you mean ?
13:55<metaperl>any major IT jobs sites besides dice?
13:56*metaperl remembers the "is google broken?" advice from #java :)
13:56<metaperl>ok I will check it
13:57<metaperl>I think my networking (as in iptables, etc) are too weak for those positions
14:12<purrdeta>I wish you could do the linux tech support from home (and by home I mean thousands of miles away from NJ :P)
14:15<metaperl>I see
14:15<metaperl>I hated manually entering my resume there
14:16<metaperl>I wonder if any recruiters use monster that dont use dice
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14:17<metaperl>mwalling: yes, I looked there for Perl openings and didnt see a fit
14:18<HoopyCat>perl is the mashed potatoes of IT
14:18<HoopyCat>goddamned tasty on the side, but ya ain't gonna make three meals out of it
14:18<guinea-pig>it's bland and generic?
14:18<HoopyCat>you'll end up with a molybdenum deficiency
14:19<guinea-pig>mashed potatoes aren't tasty. you've gotta add butter and spices and whatnot to make 'em interesting
14:19<guinea-pig>what's the butter of perl?
14:20<HoopyCat>even with butter, tho, dairy isn't a source of molybdenum :-/
14:20<guinea-pig>but "the butter of perl" sounds like a cool phrase
14:20<guinea-pig>bah, i don't need nno molybdenum.
14:21<HoopyCat>"signs of molybdenum deficiency . . . are headache, rapid breathing and heart rate, nausea and vomiting, acute asthma attacks, visual problems, disorientation, and, finally, coma."
14:24<guinea-pig>yeah, but coma isn't death.
14:27<HoopyCat>coma will, however, get you landed in a hospital where they'll molybdenum the crap outta you
14:28<HoopyCat>or at least feed you grain-based food or something
14:28<guinea-pig>yeah, but i'd finally get a good night's sleep
14:28<mwalling>HoopyCat: that wind made it here
14:29<HoopyCat>mwalling: the philly @ not-the-brett-favre-new-york-team game is windy
14:29<b4>it's National Cotton Candy Day
14:29<HoopyCat>two blocked FGs so far
14:29*guinea-pig dives in a huge wad of sugar
14:30<HoopyCat>and the ref's mic is feelin' it
14:30<mwalling>HoopyCat: i watch 1 game a year usually, and thats only for the beer
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14:36*Nipsting just loves doing SQL dumps
14:37<mwalling>HoopyCat: btw, i fixed it last night
14:37<Nipsting>damnit I think my phone could dump this database faster than dreamhost can
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14:45<N0valyfe>slicehost or linode, someone i know is debating
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14:47<BP{k}>N0valyfe: don't you think that people here might be inclined to lean towards linode?
14:47<N0valyfe>i know, but i've seen people ask this question and get an honest answer
14:47<N0valyfe>in here
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14:47<Nipsting>so far everything has been dandy for me with Linode
14:47<N0valyfe>has anyone been with both?
14:47<Nipsting>only used it for about 8 hours though ;)
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14:48<BP{k}>I can't tell you about slicehost, as I never used their services. As for Linode, I am more than happy.
14:48<TofuMatt>Slicehost seems great, but Linode's feature-set seems like the best
14:48<TofuMatt>There are a few things at Linode that I don't see other VPSes providing, or, if they do, it's not advertised/automated
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14:49<TofuMatt>separate disks/bandwidth pooling/API/other things
14:50<RemailedNet>slicehost does bandwidht ppoling.. and actually shows a grand total on your main login screen
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14:52<Nipsting>hmm is this command correct "gzip -f -r foldername > name.gz" still on shaky ground here
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14:53<dale>just got a new linode account, managed to add a use and stuff, but apt-get isnt giving me anything
14:53<Nipsting>apt-get update
14:54<dale>that was nice and quick, cheers :)
14:54<jtaji>Nipsting: you're going to want to use .tar.gz: tar -cvzf file.tar.gz directory/
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14:55<jtaji>Nipsting: gzip isn't really good for more than a single file, although technically you can concatenate
14:55<Nipsting>cheers jtaji
14:55<Nipsting>good to know, since there are 30+k files ;)
14:56<Nipsting>that did the trick, and now I can see that its actually doing something
14:56<Nipsting>thanks again
14:56<jtaji>no problem
14:59<Nipsting>N0valyfe regarding your slicenode/linode question. The help you get in here is bar none. Very important IMHO
15:00<jtaji>N0valyfe: I've recently switched from slicehost to linode, in addition to TofuMatt's comments, you just get more ram/disk for your money, plus I think the $30 plan is nice whereas on slicehost you have to jump to $38 with less ram
15:01<dale>ok, last question, I have the same problem on slicehost, svn: warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale
15:01<N0valyfe>thanks guys
15:01<dale>tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales but got nothing
15:02<jtaji>dale: debian or ubuntu?
15:03<dale>ubuntu, trying language-pack-en now
15:03<jtaji>yep, that was what I was going to suggest
15:03<dale>yup, thats it
15:04<jtaji>that's the absolute first packages I install :)
15:04<dale>i remember when I did that on slicehost and spent 2 hours after trying to fix it, then figuring out I needed to logout / in again
15:05<Dreamer3>jtaji: welcome to linode, it's great
15:06<jtaji>thanks Dreamer3, I'm very impressed with it
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15:08<charlie>Dreamer3, you host on Linode too?
15:08<charlie>Dreamer3, Is that where pastie is hoted?
15:10<mwalling>charlie: whois on pastie.orgs address says no
15:10<mwalling>Rails Machine, LLC INAP-ACS-RMACHINE-13899 (NET-64-94-234-0-1)
15:10<mwalling>Rails Machine, LLC INAP-ACS-RMACHINE-13899 (NET-64-94-234-0-1)
15:11<tjfontaine>double double
15:11<Dreamer3>charlie: no
15:11<mwalling>fscking putty
15:11<Dreamer3>pastie uses a lot of disk space
15:11<Dreamer3> sponsors pastie
15:12<charlie><3 pastie
15:13<Dreamer3>i need to come up with another cool public service for someone else to sponsor
15:13*charlie needs to come up with a good idea for an iPhone application
15:14<charlie>I just learned that the developer of Tiny Violin (a small toy application for $.99) has made almost $10,000 off of it
15:15<b4>charlie, make one that is an iphone terminal client
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15:16<b4>port irssi to the iPhone
15:16<charlie>both have already been done, and I couldn't charge for irssi, since it wouldn't be accepted into the app store most likely
15:17<charlie>Does anyone have some good DNS servers to use for servers?
15:17<charlie>my ISP has started redirecting bad domains to their ad-supported search engine
15:17<b4>charlie, use linodes
15:17<charlie>OpenDNS does the same thing
15:17<charlie>does linode's work outside of linode
15:17<mwalling>b4: resolvers, not authoritave
15:17<exor674>id you mean from your house
15:18<mwalling>charlie: i run bind on my node for that reason
15:18<charlie>mwalling, probably a good idea, actually...
15:18<exor674>or from YOUR computer, yeah run bind, and use that to resolve crap for you
15:18<charlie>I'll stick with OpenDNS for now then setup bind later
15:18<b4>charlie, lindoes work here
15:18<exor674>charlie: OpenDNS does ad-supported pages too
15:19<mwalling>charlie: whos your isp?
15:19<b4>charlie, i tried linides in /etc/resolv.conf
15:19<Nipsting>anyone ever had trouble importing a mysql database dump. ERROR at line 1: Unknown command '\'
15:19<b4>and it worked :-)
15:19<Nipsting>wonder if it has something to do with charset
15:19<charlie>exor674, I know, that's why I said I'm going to run bind later
15:19<charlie>mwalling, Mediacom
15:19<b4>charlie, try
15:19<b4>either it works or i fail
15:20<mwalling>charlie: oh.... time warner pulled that... they had a web page where you could disable it for your modems mac address
15:21<b4>charlie, the linode ones work outside of linode
15:21<b4>but thay seem slower
15:21<mwalling>Rails Machine, LLC INAP-ACS-RMACHINE-13899 (NET-64-94-234-0-1)
15:22<mwalling>awe fscking putty
15:22<mwalling>b4: arent they operated by the data centers, not linode?
15:22<b4>mwalling, true
15:22<b4>i used
15:22<charlie>mwalling, apparently not ^
15:22<mwalling>for that one
15:23<Peng_>For me, two are run by Linode and two by The Planet.
15:23<linbot>mwalling: Host not found.
15:23<charlie>looks like it depends on the datacenter then
15:23<linbot>b4: Host not found.
15:24<mwalling>so for me, 2 are theplanet's, 1 is linodes
15:24<charlie>I think I might try MySQL Authentication for my puny little server cluster
15:25<b4>i don't think i could setup and configure BIDN properly
15:25<b4>2 are linodes
15:25<b4>one is theshore
15:25<exor674>theshore is linode
15:26<b4>then 3 are linode
15:26<b4> and
15:26<mwalling>point stands... the data centers resolvers are not gaurenteed to always be there.
15:26<b4>i broke dns now
15:27<b4>i broke DNS no my desktop i should of said
15:28<b4>my uplaod seed sucks
15:28<b4>charlie, write a yourwiki client for the iPone
15:28<b4>a optomized version of yourwiki
15:28<b4>with special steward and toolserevr features
15:28<b4>along with it optomizing yourwiki wikis and their pages
15:29<b4>charlie, do that!
15:30<b4>Dreamer3, you need another cool servcie for someone to sponsor?
15:30<b4>Do editable phone book
15:31<b4>i cna imagine that failing
15:32<charlie>:D! pam_mysql and libnss-mysql are both in the AUR available for installation
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15:34<b4>i can nenver get LDAP to work
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15:36<b4>charlie, are you good at setting up mediawiki with LDAP?
15:37<Guest180>Good Morning...
15:38<b4>how do you steup LDAP period?
15:38<jcn>what are and
15:39<b4>DNS servers
15:39<mwalling>jcn: hostnames
15:40<Peng_>byte strings
15:40<jcn>specifically, why are they all over my dns server? i am seeing craploads of dns requests coming in from those three boxes for some reason.
15:40<jcn>mwalling: thanks for that.
15:40<mwalling>jcn: they're the resolving name servers for a given group of linodes
15:40<mwalling>jcn: any time
15:42<jcn>i'm just seeing a tremendou amount of inbound traffic and it looks like it's all just dns traffic.
15:42<mwalling>thats because someone who uses those servers for recursion is querying hostnames you're authorative for
15:45<charlie>b4, it's really easy to setup LDAP to authenticate to MediaWiki
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15:45<b4>charlie, i can never get it to work D:
15:45<encode_>its relatively easy to setup Active Directory to authenticate mediawiki too
15:46<charlie>gewt, There are many guides, but it's kind of hard to initially setup LDAP, so I wouldn't do it without researching it a bit
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15:57<Guest180>Hi, I'm very new to servers (mail servers) and I have a doubt.
15:57<Guest180>For example I can install postfix in my linode box right ?
15:58<mwalling>also checkout...
15:58<linbot>mwalling: "googleapps" could be Google Apps for your Domain:
15:58<Guest180>So I install it and everything but now what else I must do in order for me to lets say send an email and receive from
15:58<Guest180>I really don't want to have my mail with google mail
15:58<linbot>mwalling: "postfixbasics" could be : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
15:58<Guest180>I know theres a way "fancy" way so you can interact with the mail...
15:59<Guest180>I will check that mwalling...
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15:59<Guest180>But I beleive that I have to buy a domain if I want to send and receive mail with my special domain right ?
15:59<Guest180>lets say ...
15:59<Guest180>right ?
16:00<mwalling>are you sure you dont want a hosted solution?
16:00<Guest180>What do you mean hosted solution ?
16:00<mwalling>like !googleapps
16:00<Guest180>I mean, I do have my linode box...
16:00<TofuMatt>Google Apps is great ^_^
16:00<Guest180>All my mail will be send it to my linode box...
16:01<mwalling>Guest180: not necessarally
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16:01<Guest180>I don't want some of my information hosted at google servers...
16:01<mwalling>better start with the basics then
16:01<Guest180>mwalling: what do you mean by not necessarally
16:01<Guest180>Yeah... As I said I'm very new...
16:01<mwalling>MX records can be used to route your email to any server on the planet (weather or not it actually is listening)
16:02<Guest180>I will start reading and any further questions I will come back...
16:02*Guest180 doen'st know what is a MX record :S
16:03<mwalling>An MX record or Mail exchanger record is a type of resource record in the Domain Name System (DNS) specifying how Internet e-mail should be routed using the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP). Each MX record contains a preference and a host name, so that the collection of MX records for a given domain name point to the servers that should receive e-mail for that domain, and their priority relative to each other.
16:04*HoopyCat watches as local CBS affiliate tries to find the right football game
16:05<Guest180>I'm very confused... I should start reading... But that link is for configuration I need something like installation and very very basics.... Let's see what google can come up with
16:05<Guest180>Which one is better exim or porstfix ?
16:05<mwalling>i like postfix.
16:05<HoopyCat>wait, that's... mile-high stadium? *pop* woah, now it's... uhh... candlestick park? *pop!* *fssscht* wha... the skydome?
16:05*TofuMatt likes postfix a lot.
16:06<mwalling>you need something even more basic then !postfixbasics ...
16:06*TofuMatt has also never used/even read much on exim
16:06<Peng_>Postfix seems to be more common in this channel
16:07<HoopyCat>yaagh, the sudden SD->HD transition time warp
16:07*HoopyCat throws up
16:08<Guest180>Thanks guys!
16:08<HoopyCat>arrgh, the closed captioning is from jacksonville at chicago
16:09<exor674>CBS fail?
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16:11<HoopyCat>exor674: it's a late game on the singleheader network from a new-to-the-NFL stadium
16:11<mwalling>HoopyCat: so you're making excuses for their stupidity?
16:15<HoopyCat>mwalling: yes, esp. considering it's the local affiliate just having to push the right button
16:16<HoopyCat>they canned the best board op they had and it's been downhill since then
16:16<HoopyCat>("the best board op they had" == a friend of mine, of course)
16:16<guinea-pig>of course :P
16:16<HoopyCat>bbl, cooking so i don't have to watch this goddamned game
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16:17<exor674>what I love is when online streams show shit they shouldn't
16:18<exor674>like, I was watching some televized political press confrence thingy and like, they showed getting READY for the press conference on the online stream
16:18<exor674>I'm assuming the commercials or someting were over that
16:19<b4>Entering Connect
16:19<b4>It looks like you are issing LDAP support; please ensure you have either compiled LDAP support in, or have enabled the module. If the authentication is working for you, the plugin isn't properly detecting the LDAP module, and you can safely ignore this message.
16:19<b4>i'm issing LDAP support!?
16:21<b4>it got to the poitn where it won't bind!
16:23<b4>i give up
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16:40*irgeek anxiously awaits the gingerbread in the oven
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16:41<guinea-pig>for nomming?
16:45<irgeek>Maybe I should bring some gingerbread to my interview next week.
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16:46<mwalling>/mode #linode +o irgeek ?
16:49*irgeek isn't saying anything
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16:50<irgeek>Five minutes to gingerbread awesomeness!
16:51<mwalling>irgeek: good luck!
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16:51<irgeek>Thanks. I'm very hopeful.
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16:55<irgeek>Damn that's some good gingerbread.
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17:06<irgeek>I'm glad Pizza Hut came out with the Panormous pizza. Because bigger pizzas is exactly what America needs.
17:07*mikegrb wishes the mom and pop places would have something bigger than 'large'
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17:07<Huru>lol i should go down to pizza hut again
17:07<Huru>all you can eat for $16
17:12<Oli``>Anyone here know a good stress-tester so I can simulate various numbers of users attacking my website?
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17:15<Oli``>I tried a few instances of an ever-looping wget but that seems a bit too precise and not as random as real users are
17:21<mwalling>Huru: chinese buffets run about $8 here :P
17:21<Huru>im in new zealand bro
17:22<Huru>us is roughly worth 2x the value of nzd
17:22<mwalling>!calc 8USD in NZD
17:22<linbot>mwalling: 8 U.S. dollars = 15.117158 New Zealand dollars
17:22<Oli``>SpaceHobo: shall do.
17:22<Huru>!calc 20USD in nzd
17:22<linbot>Huru: 20 U.S. dollars = 37.7928949 New Zealand dollars
17:22<Huru>about $40 for the vps per month
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17:23<mwalling>how much does a burger flipper make there though?
17:23<Huru>$13.16 a hr
17:23<Huru>minimum wage
17:24<mwalling>!calc 13.16NZD in USD
17:24<linbot>mwalling: 13.16 New Zealand dollars = 6.964272 U.S. dollars
17:24<N0valyfe>thats poor, thats like £3 ish
17:24<mwalling>!calc 13.16NZD in GBP
17:24<linbot>mwalling: 13.16 New Zealand dollars = 4.7430852 British pounds
17:24<N0valyfe>ok, maybe not, lol
17:24<irgeek>!calc 7.02USD in new zealand dollars
17:24<linbot>irgeek: 7.02 U.S. dollars = 13.2653061 New Zealand dollars
17:25<mwalling>irgeek: 7.02 is the fed min wage?
17:25<mwalling>or CO's?
17:25<irgeek>That's minimum wage here in Colorado.
17:25<mwalling>nys is a bit higher
17:25<guinea-pig>MA is much higher
17:25<mwalling>7.15 for NYS
17:25<Huru>i work at a supermarket getting $13.16 a hr
17:26<irgeek>MA is $8.00 - not bad.
17:26<guinea-pig>yeah, i think it goes up in january again
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17:29<reillyeon>I hope no one in this channel actually makes only minimum wage...
17:29<mwalling>reillyeon: Huru says he does
17:30<Huru>yeah lol
17:30<Huru>i earn minimum wage
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17:30<Huru>even though ive been working there for almost 2 years :/
17:31<reillyeon>Huru: you use Linode, you have some skillz, go sysadmin something and get paid for it
17:31<Huru>:/ paid for letting someone rape my linode?
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17:33<Nipsting>mysql -u nipsting -h localhost -p ete_c > kb3_constellations.sql
17:33<Nipsting>what am I doing wrong here ?
17:33<reillyeon>Nipsting: what's the error?
17:33<Nipsting>nothing happens
17:33<Nipsting>just hangs there until I break it
17:33<metaperl>Nipsting: what are you tring to do
17:33<Nipsting>import an sql table
17:33<metaperl>look at the ">"
17:33<reillyeon>Nipsting: <
17:33<metaperl>you are sending it out
17:33<Oli``>Anyone in here in the Newark datacenter and has a free minute (and a few CPU cycles) to help me stress-test my website?
17:34<metaperl>and overwrote the file!
17:34<guinea-pig>yup, bet the file is empty
17:34<reillyeon>Unix: 1 Nipsting: 0
17:34<Nipsting>not anymore :P
17:34<Nipsting>I'we been working with this for too long now lol
17:35<Nipsting>that did the trick
17:38<b4>Nipsting, errm< not >
17:39<guinea-pig>b4: bafter?
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17:39<b4>NO DIEA!
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17:46<Oli``>SpaceHobo: siege looks great but it's hard to see how a site would work when you're running the test on the same machine.. I need a friend with a VPS in the same datacenter =)
17:47<mwalling>Oli``: or just buy a second linode for a day
17:47<mwalling>!calc 19.95 / 31
17:47<linbot>mwalling: 19.95 / 31 = 0.643548387
17:47<Oli``>you can buy by the day?
17:48<jkwood>Yep. Prorated.
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17:48<Oli``>I'll do that in the morning then =) Thanks all.
17:49<b4>Address: Data Center
17:49<b4>thats useful info
17:49<b4>i did a whois on my shcool districts IP
17:49<b4>websites it*
17:49<b4>the website of the shcool district
17:49<b4>i did a whois no it's IP
17:56<guinea-pig>no more beer, b4
17:57<b4>"Best viewed with Internet Explorer 6+"
17:59<irgeek>"Best viewed with NCSA Mosaic+"
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18:04<guinea-pig>i miss mosaic
18:04<tjfontaine>best viewed with the aspca
18:05<tjfontaine>itym fingers
18:05<irgeek>Yaakov: Apparently you've never seen two girls one cup...
18:05<tjfontaine>ok, 2g1c reference, I'm out.
18:06<Yaakov>irgeek: I have not, fortunately, but I have an idea of how unfortunate it is.
18:07*irgeek still has nightmares about it
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18:08*jkwood has managed to avoid 2g1c so far in his life
18:09*Yaakov pokes out irgeek's mind's eye.
18:09<mwalling>anyone here have a palm centro?
18:10<mwalling>SpaceHobo: shut up... i <3 my palms, and my palm software
18:11<b4>i have a treo 700P
18:11<b4>partially broken
18:11<irgeek>I have a Palm IIIxe - hasn't been turned on in years.
18:11*mwalling had 2 palm 3s, an m100, a zire
18:11<mwalling>i'm sick of carrying both that and a phone
18:11<mwalling>SpaceHobo: just say it damnit
18:12<mwalling>SpaceHobo: that was it?
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18:12<mwalling>SpaceHobo: comeon, you could have done a hell of a lot better then that
18:12<ScottD>Anyone know why Linode doesn't accept paypal?
18:13<ScottD>That sucks.
18:13<ScottD>I use paypal for everything.
18:13<mwalling>ScottD: get a paypal credit card
18:13<Yaakov>I have an iPhone and a Nokia N800. If it was an N810, I would probably use it.
18:13<HedgeMage>ScottD: so get a paypal debit/credit card
18:13<ScottD>I've been trying to get the debit card.
18:14<Yaakov>What's stopping you?
18:14<ScottD>but because i dont have credit card and my bank cards billing is my P.O. Box they wont confirm my address
18:14<ScottD>and you have to have a confirmed address
18:14<@caker>ScottD: if you're in the US, paypal has a virtual credit card service
18:14<@caker>too late.
18:14<Yaakov>Hey there caker.
18:14<ScottD>Yes, I'm in the US.
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18:15<@mikegrb>mmm cake
18:15<b4>caker, you shoudl sell cake cards
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18:15<b4>Linode giftcards
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18:16<mwalling>actually........ that sounds like a good idea...
18:16<@caker>ScottD: another work-around are American Express gift cards -- places like CVS and card shops and whatnot have them, I believe...
18:16<mwalling>give a gift of a linode this holiday season!
18:16<mwalling>(min 2 or 3 months or something)
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18:16<ScottD>Where is that at on paypal
18:17<guinea-pig>caker: so wait, all your lovely anti-fraud stuff can be defeated with a CVs?
18:17<ScottD>I have a business account and i cant find it
18:17<Yaakov>caker: WalMart also has prepay debit cards.
18:17<Yaakov>caker: Pretty cheap., really.
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18:19<irgeek>Lots of malls also sell gift cards that are supposed to work only in their mall, but are really Discover cards.
18:19<Yaakov>caker: The most reasonable fees of any of them, it seems:
18:23<@caker> <-- interesting
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18:24<ScottD>i still havent found that virtual card thing in paypal
18:25<@caker> ?
18:25<@caker>hrm, that's not it
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18:26<irgeek>caker: That installlinux thing looks interesting, but all I get is "I'm sorry, I cannot parse the hostname/IP you entered"
18:26<@caker>I left that blank, and got through to the end -- it took seconds to build (or just redirect to?) my install
18:28<@caker>ScottD: PayPal Secure Card <-- is what it's called
18:28<ScottD>ound it
18:29<ScottD>you have to have their plugin to get it
18:29<ScottD>blah need to close firefox
18:29<ScottD>thanks guys
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18:37<irgeek>In case anyone is wondering, the Broncos have now taken the lead against KC.
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18:43<daniel>caker, Skinkie wants me to say hi to you, so "hi" :)
18:44<@caker>um .. ok?
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18:49<daniel>Is there an easy way to install geoip (lite) in debian?
18:49<daniel>caker, not sure,he just wanted me to say that to you, he claims he designed the linode "solution" (not sure what he meant by that either)
18:51<irgeek>daniel: apt-cache search geoip
18:52<daniel>ahh thanks :)
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18:54<irgeek>The Broncos are trying to give me a heart attack.
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19:01<irgeek>KC has still never won at the new Mile High Stadium.
19:02<irgeek>This makes me happy.
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19:25<irgeek>caker: I figured it out. The hostname you enter has to be in DNS for it to accept it.
19:26<irgeek>That doesn't make sense to me.
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19:38<rmatei>hey guys, just got my first VPS
19:38<rmatei>not sure whether to go w 32 or 64bit ubuntu tho
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19:39<rmatei>is there a default answer or a good reason to go one way or the other?
19:39<irgeek>If you don't know a reason you need 64 bit, use 32 bit.
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19:39<rmatei>well ok that was easy
19:39<rmatei>what are the performance / memory tradeoffs?
19:40<irgeek>64bit will use more memory most of the time.
19:40<rmatei>all i care about really is rails performance
19:40<HoopyCat>ted rogers got off lucky
19:40<jkwood>rmatei: You won't see any improvement with 64-bit then.
19:41<rmatei>good to know
19:41<rmatei>what about distros?
19:41<irgeek>I'm a big fan of Ubuntu because of the LTS releases. And because it's not RedHat.
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19:42<jkwood>I can give advice on making it work in Slackware. But there's a good chance that doing so in Ubuntu will be "easier."
19:42<DuroSoft>do you allow web proxies
19:43<jkwood>What you do with your linode is up to you as long as it's not illegal.
19:43<irgeek>DuroSoft: What do you mean?
19:43<HoopyCat>the software is innocent; the usage is what the TOS concerns itself with
19:43<DuroSoft>some hosts have a blanket rule against public web proxies
19:44<charlie>Has anyone here ever used
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19:46<jkwood>DuroSoft: I have upon occasion tunneled my traffic through my linode, which makes it, in essence, a proxy.
19:46<DuroSoft>yea I use one for personal use
19:47<DuroSoft>I used to run a bunch of proxy sites
19:47<DuroSoft>thats why I was curious
19:47<irgeek>I spent a year in Egypt and tunneled all of my web traffix though SSH + tinyproxy
19:49<HoopyCat>there's the "my home ISP sucks and won't let me look at all the Scorpions albums on Wikipedia" use of proxies, then there's the "Access to Other Computers or Networks without Authorization" use of proxies
19:51<Pryon>please tell me you pulled that example out of thin air
19:53<HoopyCat>Pryon: (warning: page contains album cover deemed by the IWF to contain a "potentially illegal indecent image of a child" which may be illegal to look at in some jurisdictions)
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19:59<Pryon>Definitely up there with "Smell the Glove"
20:01<FFEMTcJ>what connections do the linode DC's have to the outside world?
20:01<Battousai>internet connections
20:02<HoopyCat>i love it... they got it down to 64 bytes
20:02<FFEMTcJ>Battousai: thanks... umm... more specific? who, speeds?
20:02<HoopyCat>FFEMTcJ: the datacenters each have multiple connections to multiple carriers, which vary depending on market conditions, etc; there are four datacenters
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20:03<FFEMTcJ>HoopyCat: im looking at the atlanta one
20:03<HoopyCat>linode's equipment connects directly to the datacenters' networks through pipes of substantial beefiness
20:03<Battousai>they're called tubes in the biz
20:03<Pryon>beef sticks
20:03<HoopyCat>FFEMTcJ: that'd be AtlantaNAP...
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20:05<HoopyCat>FFEMTcJ: they have the following carriers in the building, but odds are good not all of them are in use for IP for colo customers (i.e. linode):
20:06<FFEMTcJ>ty HoopyCat
20:07<HoopyCat>let's see... the routes are announced by AS3595, and i see 4436, 3267, 1299, 3356, and 3561 as the five best ways to get there
20:08<Pryon>Originally a meat warehouse. That's why the tubes are so beefy.
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20:09<HoopyCat>they're made out of meat
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20:10<HoopyCat>(They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat.)
20:14<jkwood>HoopyCat: I think that was the one edition of Omni I actually read.
20:15<HoopyCat>i love that story, simply because "flapping their meat at each other" is one of my favorite ways to describe useless chatter
20:16<Yaakov>I like "just so much chin music".
20:22<path->well, my linode has more uptime than my electric
20:23<path->just i was cursed for talking about utilities earlier
20:23<warewolf> 20:23:09 up 158 days, 11:29, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.06
20:23<warewolf>^ my uptime
20:23<path->err.. guess i was cursed..
20:24<guinea-pig>HoopyCat: is that a hhgttg ref?
20:25<Yaakov>I've had to reboot about once a month because sshd goes wonky.
20:25<Yaakov>I have to figure out why.
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20:26<msaraujo>how can I create a subdomain via dns manager?
20:26<HoopyCat>path-: rofl wehrz ur oil heat now, lol
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20:26<HoopyCat>msaraujo: a full subdomain (e.g. delegating it to another server/zone) or just something like vs. ?
20:26<irgeek>msaraujo: Do you want to farm it out to other DNS servers, or just make that resolve to an IP?
20:27<msaraujo>resolve to an IP
20:27<msaraujo> is ok
20:27<irgeek>A/AAAA record or CNAME
20:27<msaraujo>I would like to create via dns manager
20:27<msaraujo>is it that possible?
20:27<HoopyCat>yep, same way you created
20:27<msaraujo>alright, thanks very much
20:27<HoopyCat>create a new A record, and... i forget the exact order of the fields
20:27<msaraujo>I think that it takes around 15 minutes
20:27<HoopyCat>yep, regenerated every 15 minutes
20:27<Yaakov>That's a host, though, not a subdomain.
20:28<msaraujo>if it is the same way, let's just wait :)
20:28<HoopyCat>buy within the next 90 seconds and your order will be completed in... 90 seconds!
20:28<msaraujo>well, but do I need to register that as a new domain? no,
20:28<Yaakov>msaraujo: The domain is, the host is svn.
20:28<HoopyCat>msaraujo: nope, you have everything under (unless there's something weird going on)
20:28<msaraujo>alright, let's wait, indeed
20:29<msaraujo>thank you guys
20:29<guinea-pig>hrrr. someone wanna bitchslap HE?
20:29<guinea-pig>or gblx, whoever.
20:29<Hobbsee>works for me
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20:29<Hobbsee>11ms lag works nicely for me :P
20:29<HoopyCat>gblx has always reminded me of "giblets"
20:30<Yaakov>Don't eat it.
20:30<HoopyCat>msaraujo: :-)
20:30<guinea-pig>i'm 118ms cross-country from here to gblx. en extra 120ms from gblx to HE, within the same town
20:31<mwalling>glbx does my confrence calling :)
20:31<HoopyCat>guinea-pig: what's the endpoint?
20:31<path->HoopyCat: guess i need a fireplace as a backup
20:31<mwalling>once again, totally unrelated to the current topic
20:31<msaraujo>HoopyCat: well, when I try to access nodomain found issue
20:31<msaraujo>maybe totally related with the 15 min refreshment
20:31<guinea-pig>stupid pastebin
20:32<guinea-pig>, but pb wrapped the lines
20:32<HoopyCat>path-: yeah, frankly, we're pretty boned without electricity too. the water heater has a big honkin' UPS i snagged from an equipment cabinet after we recalled that entire model for suddenly dying randomly, which has so far not failed to carry through a power outage
20:32<irgeek>msaraujo: You're upstream DNS probably has the negative respose cached.
20:32<msaraujo>irgeek: what do I need to do?
20:32<msaraujo>just wait, huh
20:32<HoopyCat>msaraujo: if you looked at it before 20:30 (~3 minutes ago), your DNS server probably has the nxdomain cached... that'll clear in...
20:32<HoopyCat>86400 secondsish
20:32<guinea-pig>4 hours?
20:33<irgeek>!calc 86400 sec in hours
20:33<linbot>irgeek: 86 400 seconds = 24 hours
20:33<guinea-pig>yeah, the other one
20:33<irgeek>guinea-pig: Close!
20:33<guinea-pig>14400 is 4 hours
20:33<HoopyCat>pack a lunch
20:35<daniel>you guys mind if I borrow you for one sec? Please visit and let me know (at the top) what it says near "Country:" plz :)
20:35<Yaakov>HoopyCat: # From an MIT robotics controller board.
20:35<irgeek>daniel: Antarctica!
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20:36<HoopyCat>daniel: United States
20:36<flint>hey caker how are things?
20:37<daniel>OK guys, thanks :)
20:37<irgeek>daniel: I was lying. Fooled you!
20:37<HoopyCat>Yaakov: Magic -> More Magic
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20:37*msaraujo waits impatiently
20:38<irgeek>msaraujo: restart your browser too
20:38<daniel>now, I wonder why it isnt getting my's 99.5% accurate and it isnt even getting mine haha
20:38<irgeek>Browsers cache too.
20:38<msaraujo>nodomain issue
20:39<flint>caker, ssh wedged on Rebooting now. This is a new one on me....
20:39<HoopyCat>guinea-pig: same endgame, so i suspect the problem might be on the return route for you
20:40<Yaakov>flint: Which distribution?
20:40<flint>Yaakov: recent like dapper...
20:40<@tasaro>flint: no luck with console?
20:40<Yaakov>flint: It dies during connect?
20:40<flint>tasaro I am in the middle of reboot
20:41<guinea-pig>HoopyCat: return looks quite sweet
20:41<Yaakov>tasaro: When I have the problem, the console can't talk to the machine.
20:41<HoopyCat>guinea-pig: hmm
20:41<guinea-pig>3 extra hops, but it gets back in 75ms
20:42<flint>Yaakov: here is the skinny....
20:42<HoopyCat>guinea-pig: is very close to where i'm coming from, if you wanna compare
20:42<guinea-pig>HoopyCat: that's actually a worse return
20:42<guinea-pig>by 20ms
20:43*guinea-pig shrugs
20:43<guinea-pig>it'll go away. glbx problems always do
20:43<HoopyCat>not too concerned about that... it's a big box with a lot of stuff to do in a big ol' building down by the river
20:43<flint>rebooted trying ajax console
20:44<msaraujo>irgeek: what could be wrong with
20:44<guinea-pig>yeah, it's just an annoyance, when it's noticeable in my ssh->screen->irc session
20:45<irgeek>msaraujo: There's nothing wrong with it. We can see it. I'm guessing you tried to connect before DNS had reloaded so your upstream DNS has the negative answer cached.
20:45<Yaakov>msaraujo: There is nothing wrong with it!
20:45<Yaakov>yaakov@athena:~$ host
20:45<Yaakov> has address
20:45<flint>Yaakov: It may just be eh...?
20:46<msaraujo>so, why I redirects to a no domain found?
20:46<Yaakov>flint: I have an occasional problem with sshd, it stops answering. It will connect but it does during the handshake.
20:46<irgeek>msaraujo: Redirects? If that's happening, that
20:46<HoopyCat>msaraujo: i get a directory index containing readme.txt, conf/, dav/, etc
20:46<irgeek>that's your ISP I think
20:46<flint>Yaakov the ip address of cart is here is what cart says when we try to ssh
20:47<flint>flint@fts60:~$ ssh cart ssh: connect to host cart port 22: Connection refused flint@fts60:~$
20:47<msaraujo>yeah, proxies suck
20:47<msaraujo>may cache from my browser also, huh
20:47<Yaakov>flint: That's something different.
20:47<Yaakov>flint: That's means that sshd isn't listening on 22.
20:47<flint>I was able to log into the console... via ssh.
20:47<irgeek>msaraujo: That's why I suggested restarting your browser
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20:47<msaraujo>tested with links here, works fine
20:47<Yaakov>OR, that you have a firewall rule munged.
20:47<flint>Yaakov gotcha why would it not be listening. excellent point.
20:48<msaraujo>my ISP uses a proxy for "nodomain issues"
20:48<msaraujo>it sucks
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20:48<msaraujo>why links does not detect it?
20:48<irgeek>Detect what?
20:48<flint>Yaakov yea... let me do some scanning. I will get back to you with the TADA.
20:48<Yaakov>msaraujo: Maybe you should use OpenDNS.
20:48<msaraujo>what is that?
20:49<HoopyCat> ... some folks like 'em (me included), others don't (as they'll return an A record for a page o' ads along with NXDOMAIN replies). however, they do have a cache checking/clearing page, which is worth its weight in gold:
20:50<flint>Yaakov: TADA cockpit error:
20:50<flint>Stopping OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. li16-241:/home/flint# /etc/init.d/ssh start Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd/etc/ssh/sshd_config: No such file o
20:50<flint>Yaakov thanks.
20:50<Yaakov>flint: Sure. Glad you figured it out.
20:50<exor674>I just run my internal bind server haa
20:51<exor674>that and rndc flush are myfriend
20:51<HoopyCat>the A records on NXDOMAIN replies can be turned off, btw.... disable typo correction, filtering of .cm wildcard, and opendns proxy
20:52<HoopyCat>i do that on my servers/linodes, while the desktop machines get the full monty (because we use shortcuts, and i type like a drunken typo machine)
20:53<msaraujo>the main problem I think is that Apache is not recognizing the svn module enabled
20:53<msaraujo>only goes to a folder and show files
20:54<Yaakov>Good night all.
20:54<Yaakov>Be well.
20:54<HoopyCat>g'nite Yaakov!
20:56<irgeek>My g/f and I just roasted chestnuts for the first time. Pretty yummy.
20:57<HoopyCat>irgeek: on an open fire?
20:57<irgeek>If we stretch the definition of 'open fire' to include gas ovens, yes.
20:57<flint>Yaakov caker bunch of directories missing from /etc, including ssh and apt. Any ideas?
20:58<guinea-pig>i thought chestnuts were extinct
20:58<irgeek>I guess not. I just ate some.
20:59<HoopyCat>"Actually, there's a better cellphone finding function on extension 150..."
20:59<HoopyCat>mwalling: <3 rick@
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20:59<guinea-pig>ah, not extinct...
21:00<guinea-pig>Within 40 years the near-4 billion-strong American Chestnut population in Northern America was devastated – only a few clumps of trees remained in California and the Pacific northwest
21:01<HoopyCat>fortunately, the rocky mountain chestnut is still widely available
21:02<irgeek>Maybe that's what I just ate.
21:06<Nivex>HoopyCat: awesome
21:09<irgeek>Pfft. Can't be that good, the company is Canadian.
21:09<linbot>New news from forums: Bugs/Headaches in DNS Manager Beta <>
21:09<daniel>caker, the guy who said "hi" earlier was "Stefan" know of him now? O_o
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21:14<thomashill>when I shell in in osx's terminal app, my backspace and delete keys are reversed. How do I correct that?
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21:16<irgeek>I'm not 100% sure, but I've always had better luck with iTerm.
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21:17<flint>caker, it appears my ssh keys are blacklisted... this is new and news to me.
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21:18<irgeek>flint: If you're using Ubuntu, there was a little oopsy a few months back. You need to update your ssh.
21:18<flint>irgeek this is debian 4.0 and we should still be able to log on eh?
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21:20<HoopyCat>flint: it blocks the login attempt because they aren't "your" ssh keys per se; statistically speaking, probably hundreds of people have the same ssh keys.
21:20<irgeek>flint: I'm guessing you're talking about the SSH keys for console access? Where did you generate the keys?
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21:21<irgeek>If your local machine is Ubuntu and you've got blacklisted keys, you need to update ssh and regenerate the keys.
21:21<HoopyCat> is the security advisory
21:22<HoopyCat> is a... third-party assessment of the situation, including all 32,767 keys in a variety of easy-to-use formats
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21:25<irgeek>Ah. I wasn't aware of that one.
21:25<daniel>is all of linode on xen now?
21:25<@caker>daniel: no -- no clue ... ??
21:26<@caker>er, to the Stefan q
21:26<HoopyCat>daniel: there are still some UML hosts left in fremont and dallas, not open to new signups
21:26<daniel>caker, he says he's "Stefan" on your linkedin,
21:26<daniel>oh, how can I check to see what I'm on?
21:26<HoopyCat>daniel: if your disk images are /dev/ubd*, you're UML; if /dev/xvd*, you're xen
21:27<daniel>yay for xen :D
21:27<flint>irgeek I used the command "dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server" which generates blacklisted keys...
21:28<irgeek>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
21:28<irgeek>What software is telling you the keys are blacklisted?
21:28<HoopyCat>flint: is it your host keys that are blacklisted, or your personal keys?
21:31<HoopyCat># Bio Web Developer, Web Designer, Blogger, Tech Evangelist, Apple Geek, 16 Years Old, I love Jesus!
21:32<irgeek>If he were a real Apple geek, he'd know Steve *is* Jesus.
21:33<flint>irgeek any idea how to get a non blacklisted key?
21:33<Peng_>Are there any UML hosts in Newark?
21:33<@mikegrb>even hunter already knows that
21:33<irgeek>Update and regenerate.
21:33<@mikegrb>Peng_: negative
21:33<irgeek>Newark got lit up too late in the game.
21:34<Peng_>Oh, interesting. I always assumed there were a few.
21:34<HoopyCat>xen's been the duck on the seat for awhile now
21:35<HoopyCat>if i'm getting my dates correct, i'd say there haven't been any new UML hosts since rickrolling's been a thing
21:36<irgeek>Peng_: Xen became standard March 28th, Newark got lit up May 31st.
21:36<Peng_>So I barely made it in on the last UML hosts. Huh.
21:37<mwalling>HoopyCat: <3
21:37<flint>HoopyCat the host keys.
21:38<irgeek>flint: What piece of software is telling you they're blacklisted?
21:38<HoopyCat>flint: in short, toast the existing host keys first, then dpkg-reconfigure...
21:38<mwalling>irgeek, HoopyCat: want me to build me a brick wall?
21:39<flint>HopyCat did that several times, got blacklisted keys every time.
21:39<mwalling>s/build me/build you/
21:39<flint>mwalling thanks for letting me chat this up.
21:39<mwalling>flint: who said this had anything to do with you?
21:39<mwalling>flint: who said this wasnt an obscure inside joke?
21:40<HoopyCat>flint: dpkg -s openssh-server will show you much information, including the installed version of the openssh-server package
21:40<flint>I am flipping over to a non web based irc... good idea HoopyCat and excellent humor on the part of mwalling...
21:41<HoopyCat>flint: depending on which version of debian you're running, 4.3p2-9etch1 or later will have the fix... if it's earlier than that, you're not getting updates properly and there's Something Very Bad Going On
21:42<mwalling>ug... and now i have to get a new corporate card
21:42*HoopyCat frees mwalling's accepted masons
21:42<mwalling>its a lot uglyer then the mastercards were
21:42<flint>HoopyCat my apt and ssh directory were gone when I consoled onto the box. I am thinking the SVBGO.
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21:42<flint>anyway here is the verbose output:
21:42<Peng_>The whatnow?
21:42<flint>Package: openssh-server Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: net Installed-Size: 480 Maintainer: Matthew Vernon <> Architecture: i386 Source: openssh Version: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 Replaces: ssh, openssh-client (<< 1:3.8.1p1-11), ssh-krb5 Provides: ssh-server Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libpam 0g (>= 0.76), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), libwrap0, zlib1g (>=
21:42<HoopyCat>don't need the verbose output, just need the single line that says Version:
21:42<mwalling>flint: that time, that comment was directed at you.
21:43<irgeek>And by very bad, we're saying someone already exploited the keys and pwned your Linode.
21:43<flint>irgeek this is why I have backup linodes...
21:43<mwalling>(they're prolly pwned too
21:43<HoopyCat>yeah, i'd say 4.3p2-9etch3 should be later than 4.3p2-9etch1. i'd probably pop over to a debian channel and see what they've got for advice; it should be generating good host keys
21:43<flint>switching to a real x-chat client... hangon...
21:44<irgeek>What about openssl? Isn't that the root of the problem?
21:44<HoopyCat>i gotta head off to bed
21:44<flint>HoopyCat thanks!!!
21:44<irgeek>Dinner is ready for me. I'll be back in a bit.
21:44<mwalling>HoopyCat: you want tt-rick?
21:44<HoopyCat>mwalling: naw, i'll just use your copy
21:44<mwalling>my copy?
21:45<HoopyCat>flint: np... good luck!
21:45<mwalling>oh, Dial(SIP/rick) ?
21:45<HoopyCat>mwalling: yep
21:45<mwalling>HoopyCat: *schmak* :P
21:46<HoopyCat>mwalling: is asterisk listening on the internal interface? if so, i'll change it, then randomly dial it in like 6 months and freak you out
21:46<mwalling>donno why it wouldnt be...
21:46<HoopyCat>the calls are coming from inside the linode!
21:47<mwalling> msg mikegrb psst! i need caker's extension so i can rickroll him tomorrow morning!
21:47<mwalling>awe shit
21:47<HoopyCat>seriously, bed. g'nite folx!
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21:52<flint>If I were coming in on a regular x-chat client, what is the name of this server?
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21:53<flint_>I am on a real client... Xchat calls this server OFTC... live and learn...
21:54<Peng_>I think?
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22:14<flint>caker, I may need to rebuild Any place where tips are available?
22:15<@caker>what? -- not following you
22:15<mwalling>caker: his node got pwned
22:16<flint>caker, afraid li16-241 may have been compromised
22:16<@caker>ok, and you want tips on what, exactly?
22:17<irgeek>Backup, delete, deploy, configure, restore.
22:17<mwalling>flint: nuke your disk images, deploy something new from the distro image, vollia
22:17<mwalling>and careful what you back up
22:18<flint>caker, In the past you helped me and I was very grateful... hang on my associate is commin.
22:18<@mikegrb>and make sure you install your distros updates freqyently
22:18<irgeek>Back up everything. Restore carefully.
22:18<mwalling>er, what irgeek said
22:18<@mikegrb>I tried to back up ur mom
22:19<@mikegrb>there wasn't enough media :<
22:19<path->i was gonna say traffic jam?
22:19<irgeek>flint: Also, since you've done it once already, your notes from that experience should get you going quickly.
22:19<ang>caker: ever seen this before?
22:19<flint>irgeek, that was really very good of you to suggest :^)
22:20<irgeek>WTF? In Colloquy that emoticon turned into a snowman.
22:21<ang>trying to use those damn images as a domU and none of them ever boot
22:21<flint>irgeek, huh? what is a Colloquy
22:21<irgeek>!google colloquy
22:21<linbot>irgeek: Search took 0.12 seconds: Colloquy : IRC, SILC & ICB Client: <>; Colloquy : Downloads: <>; Loyalty Marketing, Reward Programs and Customer Loyalty: COLLOQUY: <>; colloquy - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary: <>; colloquy definition | (2 more messages)
22:21<irgeek>flint: First link. GIYF
22:22<mwalling>flint: ^^
22:22<flint>irgeek, ah mac stuff... understood.
22:22<flint>irgeek, so this :^) is a snowman?
22:24<irgeek>flint: Yes:
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22:25<flint>caker, I am closing down the networking on li16-241
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22:25<mwalling>caker: i'm picking my nose
22:25<flint>I can continue to get to it via the lish console (thanks!)
22:25<mwalling>flint: yes.
22:25<flint>mwalling, now, go easy on the new kid...
22:26<flint>mwalling, thanks
22:26<flint>mwalling, caker I am gonna deal with this in the morning.
22:26<irgeek>flint: Is your desktop Ubuntu?
22:27<flint>irgeek, what the hell else is there?
22:27*mwalling sighs
22:27<flint>irgeek, (except bsd -er i mean macintosh)
22:27<mwalling>!google linux distros
22:27<linbot>mwalling: Search took 0.15 seconds: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux , BSD.: <>; Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux , BSD.: <>; Linux Online - Distributions and FTP Sites: <>; Linux Online - List of distributions: <>; Linux (2 more messages)
22:28<flint>mwalling, ok i deserved that.
22:28<mwalling>and macs dont run BSD.
22:28<irgeek>flint: And you're sure that it wasn't keys you generated on Ubuntu that were throwing blacklist errors?
22:29<flint>irgeek, the deal with blacklisted keys is that this blows up key based authentication. This has no effect on password authentication that is cryptographically protected by the hosts public-private key pair. That is what makes this so damn wierd.
22:30<irgeek>That's only true if the hosts key's are not compromised...
22:30<flint>irgeek, but you should still be able to log in with compromised keys. This looks like someone hacked at a fundamental level.
22:31<flint>I am gonna break for a bit.
22:32<irgeek>If the distro maintainers are smart, they will block compromised keys in an update since they are an open door to your system.
22:33<mwalling>and if other distro maintainers were smart... they wouldn't blindly "fix" every "bug" that valgrind spits
22:34<flint>mwalling, the cli of a mac looks an awful lot like bsd... this is a good thing.
22:35<flint>keep in mind that this is debian etch.
22:35*irgeek hugs his MacBook
22:35<mwalling>and if i open cygwin.bat on windows, it looks an awful lot like linux..
22:36<flint>irgeek, as well you should...ever boot ubuntu on the ibook? very cool.
22:36<flint>mwalling, cygwin ah yes...lest we forget!
22:37<irgeek>I used to have Ubuntu on my iMac DV - it was the only distro that seemed to work on G* Macs.
22:37<flint>mwalling, i really meant that the bsd pedigree goes deep in the Tiger.
22:37<mwalling>OSX is UNIX.
22:37<flint>mwalling, yup.
22:38<flint>cygwin is a sad thing... but useful in many situations.
22:38<ang>well, darwin is anway
22:38<flint>anderiv_, i stand corrected...
22:38<mwalling>ang: i thought OSX got certified
22:40<ang>it did
22:40<irgeek>Leopard is certified.
22:40<irgeek>UNIX 03 certified to be exact.
22:40<flint>anyway, I just thought of checking the client side. This is what I get:
22:41<flint>debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
22:41<flint>Connection closed by
22:41<flint>anybody got a clue about SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT?
22:41<irgeek>That would be the key exchange init.
22:42<flint>this is what it would look like if it worked:
22:43<flint>linbot, thanks...
22:43<irgeek>Have you updated you local machine and regenerated keys there?
22:43<flint>irgeek, absolutely, several times...
22:43<irgeek>Your desktop, not your Linode.
22:44<irgeek>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && rm ~/ssh/id_* && ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 1024
22:44<flint>irgeek, hmmm... interesting idea. However Why does the client work on one linode and not another.
22:45<irgeek>Because one has compromised keys, and the other doesn't.
22:45<flint>irgeek, you have danced at this party before eh?
22:45<irgeek>Oh yeah.
22:45<irgeek>This is what I was trying to tell you hours ago, BTW.
22:45<flint>irgeek, the client side?
22:46<irgeek>Yeah. When I was trying to get you to explain where you were seeing the message...
22:46<irgeek>You weren't answering my questions so I gave up.
22:46<flint>so... I upgrade my client side, and this works?
22:46<flint>Ok. I try anything once... standby.
22:47<irgeek>Upgrade and regenerate keys.
22:48<irgeek>You'll also need to update the authorized_keys file on the far end.
22:48<irgeek>After you regenerate the keys.
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22:54<flint>irgeek, quibble...
22:54<flint>irgeek, /rm ~\/ssh\/id_*/rm \/etc\/ssh\/id_*/ eh?
22:55<flint>irgeek, to be clearer... rm ~/ssh/id_* changes to rm /etc/ssh/id_*. That make sense?
22:56<irgeek>I missed a dot. rm ~/.ssh/id_*
22:56<flint>irgeek, so you want the local file cleared not the /etc/ssh on the client?
22:57<flint> ls -alt
22:57<flint>total 12
22:57<flint>drwxr-xr-x 18 flint flint 4096 Dec 7 14:10 ..
22:57<flint>-rw-r--r-- 1 flint flint 3302 Dec 2 12:54 known_hosts
22:57<flint>drwx------ 2 flint flint 4096 Apr 15 2008 .
22:57<irgeek>There are id_* files on the client in the .ssh directory in your home dir.
22:58<irgeek>Were is the key you're using?
22:58<irgeek>On the client.
22:58<flint>irgeek, see cut of .ssh directory above.
22:58<flint>irgeek, got to think this one through... but thanks.
22:58<irgeek>There's no key file there. Is that after you ran rm ~/.ssh/id_*
22:58<flint>no that is before.
22:59<flint>which is why I ask the question.
22:59<irgeek>Ok. I'm totally confused then.
23:00<flint>irgeek, that is why I need to get a bit of data before I proceed. and why I need to clear my head a bit.
23:00<flint>irgeek, I am fairly convinced that this is a server side issue.
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23:23<irgeek>flint: If you can give me a detailed description of what is happening, I'll try to help.
23:27<encode>detailed description: 5
23:27<encode>now can you help please?
23:27<Twayne>whats the command to see what my mysql username/password is?
23:28<path->i was gonna ask where did you leave it?
23:29<irgeek>encode: 42
23:29<irgeek>Twayne: I don't think there is one.
23:30<path->well, if it's in some php file.. then the command could be vim
23:30<guinea-pig>or less :)
23:31<Twayne>? how do i get into the mysql client..
23:31<guinea-pig>if you mean to extract username/password from mysql itself, you can't extract the password any easier than you can get a user password from /etc/shadow
23:31<Twayne>here's the prob
23:32<Twayne>i've got a username setup and a database, but dunno the password
23:32<bob2>talk to your dba!
23:33<guinea-pig>database admin
23:33<Twayne>that's me
23:33<Twayne>i'm talkin to him
23:34<irgeek>You cannot retrieve the password, you can reset it.
23:35<Twayne>can i retrieve the user?
23:35<Twayne>cause i could just have the user wrong and not the password
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23:36<irgeek>If you can log in as root, you can look at the user table.
23:37<Twayne>i'm logged in as root
23:37<Twayne>how do i get to the mysql?
23:37<irgeek>USE mysql; select * from user;
23:37<irgeek>I think.
23:37<Twayne>where the console shows <mysql>
23:37<Twayne>i'll try that
23:38<Twayne>root@ubuntu:~# mysql; select * from user;
23:38<Twayne>-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `from'
23:38<bob2>obviously you need to type sql queries into mysql rather than bash
23:38<guinea-pig>you have to log into mysql as root first...
23:39<irgeek>Twayne: You need to be root in MySQL, not just logged into your Linode as root. Different accounts.
23:39<Twayne>that's what i don't know how to do.. How do i log into MYSQL
23:39<irgeek>Reset the password and log in as root.
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23:40<Twayne>i know my mysql password
23:40<Twayne>i don't know how to log into mysql..
23:40<reillyeon>Twayne: mysql -u root -p
23:40<reillyeon>Then enter your password when prompted.
23:40<irgeek>mysql -u username -p
23:40<irgeek>reillyeon: You type fast.
23:40<Twayne>that did it
23:40<irgeek>We know.
23:41<Twayne>what's the command to show me the database users
23:41<guinea-pig>[23:37] <irgeek> USE mysql; select * from user;
23:41<irgeek>USE mysql; SELECT User from users;
23:41<reillyeon>use mysql; select user, host from users;
23:42<guinea-pig>from user singular
23:42<Twayne>how do i see what availabe databases there are?
23:42<reillyeon>show databases;
23:43<reillyeon>My constant companion:
23:43<reillyeon>(because I can never remember GRANT syntax)
23:44<Twayne>i don't even have a memory.. new to this
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23:45<irgeek>Twayne: We knew that too.
23:46<guinea-pig>it's amazing what we know
23:46<Twayne>well, i'm looking at my different databases, now i just need to see what user name is for one of them
23:46<irgeek>We are all-knowing, all-seeing beings. Be afraid!
23:46<Twayne>USE mysql; SELECT User From users; didn't really seem to work
23:47<irgeek>USE mysql; SELECT User From user;
23:47<irgeek>I added an extra s on accident.
23:47<Twayne>that worked
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23:48<Twayne>well, damn, i've got the right username/password going
23:48<irgeek>Have you considered installing something like PHPMyAdmin which lets you manage many things without you needing to know the SQL syntax.
23:48<Twayne>security risk
23:48<Twayne>so no
23:48<Twayne>mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied for user XXXXXX
23:49<Twayne>my password was what i used to get into mysql right? or could it be diff?
23:50<reillyeon>Twayne: should be the same
23:50<reillyeon>Is it the same host?
23:50<irgeek>Twayne: Assuming your app is using root to log in, then the password would be the same one your used.
23:51<Twayne>it's not using root to login, it's using one of the users
23:51<irgeek>Twayne: PHPMyAdmin is not a security risk of you protect it.
23:51<irgeek>And did you use that user to log in from the command line?
23:52<Twayne>dunno how to do that
23:52<reillyeon>Twayne: same as for root
23:52<Twayne>i just used the root
23:52<reillyeon>just replace root with username
23:52<Twayne>in ssh?
23:52<path->your application should have some file with the username and password in it
23:52<reillyeon>mysql -u username -p
23:52<irgeek>If the usernames aren't the same, the passwords probably aren't either...
23:52<Twayne>let me try that
23:54<Twayne>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'xxxxx'@'localhost' (using passwo rd: YES)
23:54*irgeek isn't shocked
23:54<Twayne>so this means i dunno my password right?
23:55*Twayne senses sarcasm
23:55<irgeek>Log into mysql as root again.
23:55<Internat>yeah.. there are ways to fix that..
23:55<Twayne>i'm gonna see if i can remember it first
23:55<Twayne>hold on just a sec
23:55<irgeek>USE mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('MyNewPass') WHERE User='the_username_you_cant_log_in_as';
23:55<irgeek>FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
23:57<Twayne>ok, couldn't figure it out.. so i'm going to log in as root
23:57<Twayne>and do the above
23:58<Internat>sounds like youve done that before irgeek
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23:59<irgeek>I've just been doing this stuff a very long time.
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