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---Logopened Mon Dec 22 00:00:24 2008
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00:09<daMaestro>do i need to change my device map?
00:15<daMaestro>welp, changing the device map didn't help
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00:18<mheld>hey y'all
00:19<mheld>should I sign up now or wait till after christmas for a year of linode 360?
00:19<mheld>I know that there was a special last year
00:19<jkwood>We all got upgraded, too.
00:19<mheld>and if that's going to happen again, I'd rather not kick myself
00:19<jkwood>Wait... didn't we?
00:20<SelfishMan>what was the special?
00:20<CaptObviousman>the cost is so low
00:20<jkwood>Don't mind me, I'm thinking of something else. I've only had my node since March.
00:20<CaptObviousman>just pull the trigger already
00:20<mheld>i mean, i'm not new to linode
00:20<mheld>i just canceled my plan for certain purposes
00:21<Pryon>Well, why not wait for 9 days, sign up and do something else until then.
00:21<SelfishMan>Or just signup now and pay the $3 prorate for it
00:22<mheld>eh, I'd rather not wait
00:23<Pryon>Okay, then don't wait.
00:27<@tasaro>there is no advantage in waiting unless you won't be using it
00:28<jkwood>Judging from my experience, if there is a "gift" then we'll all get it.
00:28<bob2>puppies all 'round
00:28*SelfishMan punts the puppy
00:28*ae5ir puts in a quick call to teh SPCA
00:29*SelfishMan punts ae5ir
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00:29*ae5ir calls the same acronym, but different agency
00:32<Pryon>SPC ae5ir?
00:32<ae5ir>an entire organization devoted entirely to me
00:33<ae5ir>and making sure I'm not treated cruelly
00:33<ae5ir>it's pretty sweet
00:33<Pryon>Have you been neutered?
00:34<Pryon>You can't be adopted until then,you know.
00:34<ae5ir>I wear pants, so it's not readily apparent that I haven't.
00:36<SelfishMan>Help control the ae5ir population and remember to have your ae5ir spayed or neutered!
00:36<Pryon>Get some neuticles and then you won't have to wear pants.
00:36<Pryon>(just about the dopiest product ever)
00:39<mheld>yeah, i'll wait till tomorrow to get it
00:39<mheld>about to go to bed
00:39<mheld>g'night y'all and thanks for all the help!
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00:51<Internat>is there a way thru dig to return ALL dns records for a domain?
00:52<SelfishMan>-t any will return all for a query
00:52<SelfishMan>otherwise axfr
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01:22<charlie>any network problems in newark?
01:22<bd_>not on my host anyway
01:22<charlie>nevermind, I just had like 2 minute lag on freenode
01:24<bd_>it's important to test multiple remotes for that reason :)
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02:07<SelfishMan>I think I'm going to have to start prototyping some hardware again
02:07<encode>SelfishMan: time to build your own cpu architecture?
02:08<SelfishMan>Nah, but I want a physical RAM disk (not SSD) that is at least 160GB in size
02:10<encode>that sounds expensive
02:10<bob2>and requires a lot of uptime to make it worthwhile
02:10<SelfishMan>I haven't built one for about ten years but it honestly wasn't that expensive. The RAM was the expensive part but this time I'm thinking about using DDR2 since it is cheap
02:11<SelfishMan>bob2: Doesn't need uptime as it can be battery backed
02:11<SelfishMan>There are several flavors on the market but they are only a few gigs each
02:13<encode>there are plenty of devices like that on the market, just probably not the market you get much exposure too
02:13<encode>high end SANs often use large RAM caches
02:13<SelfishMan>I think there are three consumer models now but they are overpriced. I know I can build better for less
02:14<SelfishMan>The i-RAM is one model
02:14<encode>i want to see how you're going to stuff 160GB of ram in one box
02:14<encode>even 4GB dimms, thats 40 modules
02:14<SelfishMan>Define "box"
02:14<bob2>you can fabricate a PCB and solder such that it will work with, what, 40 DIMMS at 800MHz?
02:15<checkers>good luck making your own that is usably fast for a decent price
02:15<checkers>you'd be better off using a raid0 array of SSDs imo
02:15<SelfishMan>I doubt SSDs will work very well honestly
02:16<SelfishMan>With the concerns about write limits I have a feeling I'll hit that in a few months
02:16<checkers>exactly how fast do you need?
02:16<StevenK>You're doing that much writing?
02:17<SelfishMan>StevenK: It's almost all writes but people with the macbook air were reporting the SSDs failing within a few months
02:17<encode> <-- just get one of those
02:17<checkers>that's mac hardware
02:18<@irgeek>checkers: Apple manufacturers SSDs now? I didn't know that.
02:18<SelfishMan>encode: As I recall they never actually produced any products
02:19<encode>oh, that only goes up to 128GB
02:19<SelfishMan>Doesn't matter as they were "out of stock" two weeks ago
02:19<encode>i bet you the price is in the 5-6 figure range too
02:20<SelfishMan>half loaded
02:21<checkers>irgeek: "mac hardware" as in hardware brought by apple, which I've never seen very good stories about
02:22<@irgeek>checkers: I'm guessing you've never owned much--if any--Apple hardware?
02:23<checkers>i own an airport express, and have owned a apple tv, one g5, two g4s
02:23<checkers>and plenty of pre-osx hardware too
02:24<@irgeek>And after all that you think Apple doesn't make decent hardware?
02:25<SelfishMan>Personally, I think all consumer hardware is pretty much crap
02:27<encode>personally i think you're pretty much crap
02:27<@irgeek>After 15 years working in IT, HP and Apple are the two hardware manufacturers I've had the best experiences with. Dell is alright, but their stuff often feels really cheap when you start using it--especially Dell laptops. I hate Dell laptops.
02:28<encode>irgeek: what about ibm hardware?
02:28<checkers>irgeek: I think they often buy cheap hardware
02:28<encode>SelfishMan: no offence intended, of course
02:28<bob2>IBM doesn't make hardware anymore
02:28<checkers>their warranty service is good though
02:28<bob2>at the consumer level
02:29<encode>bob2: they make plenty of hardware
02:29<encode>i use it every day
02:29<@irgeek>encode: IBM makes great hardware, but I haven't had much chance to work with it. Though they did make the heaviest laptop I every tried to drag around with me.
02:29<encode>well, every day im at work
02:29<bob2>oh right, servers etc
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02:29<SelfishMan>irgeek: I think dell made a wonderbrick that weighed in somewhere over ten pounds
02:30<@irgeek>There's a new laptop I saw the other day that has two screens. Weighs something like 15 lbs. Anyone who wants that thing is nuts IMHO.
02:30<exor|zzz>.. two screens wut?
02:31<encode>oh yeah, that lenovo monster
02:31<encode>thats stretching the definition of laptop just a bit
02:33<SelfishMan>I prefer to just carry around a regular laptop with an extra LCD because it's not nearly as heavy
02:33<SelfishMan>s/I/I would/
02:34<encode>i doubt that regular laptop would have 8gb of ram, nor 1tb of storage, nor a quad core cpu
02:34<SelfishMan>I wonder how bad the heat is
02:34<@irgeek>11lbs, $3,600 starting price, Core 2 Quad, max RAM 8GB, 17" main screen + 10.2" secondary screen, built in Wacom tablet - absolute beast!
02:35<@irgeek>SelfishMan: I'm guessing it's somewhere around "make soup while you watch YouTube"
02:35<encode>mmm soup
02:36<@irgeek>And I can't imagine that the battery life is very good.
02:36<@irgeek>There's a lot of hardware to drive in there.
02:36<encode>its probably only good for changing which powerpoint you're tethered too
02:37<@irgeek>Probably. End even then you should probably suspend to disk before unplugging.
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02:40<checkers>desktop replacement
02:40<checkers>is the point of a second screen to turn it into a tablet?
02:41<checkers>that picture of theirs looks shopped -- both screen have a webcam
02:41<@irgeek>I think they're aiming for a luggable system for Photoshop/CAD people to work in the field.
02:42<StevenK>Sure, but that laptop looks like, "Hi, can you find a 3 phase power point so I can plug in my laptop?"
02:43<encode>well yeah. its portable in the same sense that my kitchen table is portable
02:44<@irgeek>It's basically the evil spawn of an eeePC and a high-end laptop.
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02:44<StevenK>encode: What, it requires a 3 stout men and a pickup truck to move?
02:45<checkers>an eee?!
02:45<encode>pretty much
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02:50<StevenK>checkers: Yeah, the 10 inch screen
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03:28<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
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04:26<jimmy1>hey guys! i think my VPS may have been compromised !
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04:27<jimmy1>i actually haven't started using it, i've set svn up on it and run a couple of really small sites
04:27<jimmy1>but over the weekend i got an automated email saying my net traffic has shot up
04:27<jimmy1>so i've logged in today and the graph shows traffic like 7.0 Mbits per sec
04:28<jimmy1>and i've almost used all my monthly bandwidth allocation - i don't understand im not using it yet!!
04:28<jimmy1>i've checked my apache logs - seems dead, checked messages - nothing to report... not sure how the hell to find out whats going on!
04:29<SelfishMan>iptraf or similar tool
04:29<SelfishMan>even netstat should show you where all the connections are
04:29<jimmy1>cheers selfishMan - ill try your suggestions
04:31<SelfishMan>iptraf will give you a breakdown of traffic per port which is probably your best bet if a quick look at netstat doesn't tell you
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04:35<jimmy1>well I'm a little confused 'netstat -natp' only shows me as connected.. which is what i'd suspect, but linode control panel says there is 7Mbits per sec network activity - 42 Gb's over the weekend!!!
04:35<jimmy1>42 GBs inbound - only 4.42 mb outbound....
04:36<SelfishMan>what does iptraf show for the stats by port?
04:37<SelfishMan>It's also possible that your node is just under attack
04:38<SelfishMan>or it could be the accounting but that someone (b4?) has recently had issues with
04:38<jimmy1>im using iptraf now, not sure how to do stuff with it, although there are other IPs accessing other than me?
04:38<SelfishMan>go to statistical breakdown then to by TCP/UDP port then select eth0
04:39<jimmy1>wow stats going through the roof again
04:39<jimmy1>its like short bursts, then settles down
04:39<SelfishMan>where are you seeing that?
04:40<jimmy1>in the detailed reports - i've found the stats breakdown by port
04:40<jimmy1>im logging that now
04:40<jimmy1>its all port 22
04:40<jimmy1>is that me
04:40<SelfishMan>That's SSH so it is you probably
04:40<jimmy1>ill wait for another burst of activity
04:40<jimmy1>when i was watching the breakdown
04:41<jimmy1>my network traffic shot from like 22 or ~2800 for about 10 seconds then dropped again
04:41<SelfishMan>If you select one of the lines (use the arrow keys) at the bottom it will show the transfer rates
04:43<jimmy1>lots of ports getting used now
04:43<SelfishMan>such as...
04:44<jimmy1>well port 53, 25, 67,68,110
04:44<jimmy1>all at once they appeared
04:44<jimmy1>but then stopped
04:44<SelfishMan>53 is DNS, 25 is SMTP 67 and 68 are DHCP and 110 is POP3
04:44<SelfishMan>I assume you are running a mail server?
04:45<jimmy1>not that im aware of!
04:45<jimmy1>i did install smtp so my php apps can send mail
04:45<SelfishMan>look at the output of netstat and see what is listening on TCP/110
04:45<SelfishMan>What distro did you use?
04:45<jimmy1>ubuntu 8.03
04:46<SelfishMan>I don't think that one has dovecot preconfigured
04:46<SelfishMan>Are there any scripts that check email somewhere else?
04:47<jimmy1>nah, only thing my system does it generate a couple of awstats
04:47<SelfishMan>I doubt it is the source of your problem but having a service running you know nothing about is not a good thing
04:47<jimmy1>i get deny hosts reports via email, and i get about 3-5 of those per day
04:47<jimmy1>should i try to install shorewall tonight?
04:47<SelfishMan>That won't hurt
04:48<@irgeek>jimmy1: What's your linode number? PM is ok.
04:51<jimmy1>just went to 10mbits per sec then back down?!
04:52<SelfishMan>what did?
04:52<jimmy1>the Incoming Rates
04:52<SelfishMan>what port?
04:53<jimmy1>(i have two tabs open one with the port screen and another with the rates and i didn't notice - i think it was 80 or 22
04:53<jimmy1>as they are way bigger than the other ones
04:53<jimmy1>9meg now
04:53<jimmy1>on 22
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05:02<ferfer>is there any way to attract attention of support team to an open ticket?
05:02<praetorian>they will automatically have attention
05:02<ferfer>how long does it normally take?
05:03<ferfer>it was opened 18 hours ago
05:03<praetorian>what is the problem?
05:03<ferfer>ok, understood
05:03<praetorian>its almost tuesday ... :P
05:04<ferfer>praetorian: a very high (for my linode) incoming traffic
05:04<SelfishMan>ha ha ha
05:05<ferfer>10:53:09.072144 IP > . 43239758:43304918(65160) ack 1697 win 61 <nop,nop,timestamp 3739324725 1056406213>
05:05<ferfer>any reason for me to see this in my tcpdump? 192.168.x.x?
05:05<bob2>ferfer: which one are you
05:06<ferfer>bob2: IP? 209.123.x.x
05:06<bob2>ferfer: pawstebin the output of 'ip a'
05:06*praetorian waits for "ip: command not found"
05:06<jimmy1>ferfer: I'm having the same issue
05:06<jimmy1>42gb inbound traffic over the weekend
05:07<ferfer>jimmy1: sorry for you, but it's good to know i'm not alone
05:07<ferfer>SpaceHobo: yes, that's exactly my question
05:07*SelfishMan laughs
05:07<praetorian>no mystery traffic here
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05:08<SelfishMan>They don't route over the net but they are technically on the same interface as your public IP
05:08<SelfishMan>well, same physical network at least
05:08<ferfer>jimmy1: which datacenter / linode? i'm on newark42
05:10<ferfer>i've got floods of those "mysql" traffic between two 192.168.x.x
05:10<jimmy1>ferfer me too
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05:11<SelfishMan>Sounds like a vlan leak in newar
05:11<jimmy1>whats a vlan leak?
05:12<ferfer>SelfishMan: sorry, my network knowledge is not so deep
05:12<praetorian>its like when the blackhole leaks .. but this doesnt require loss of life
05:12<praetorian>actually that depends on if you are logging the data or not
05:13<ferfer>would it be a good idea for jimmy1 to open also a ticket?
05:14*SelfishMan wonders where irgeek disappeared to
05:17<@irgeek>I've been poking. Unfortunately, I don't have access to poke as deeply as I need to yet.
05:18<jimmy1>ferfer: I've a ticket open irgeek has been looking into it
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05:18<ferfer>jimmy1: ok, great
05:19<praetorian>trust fail
05:20<linbot>Peng_: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 4, Fremont720 - 15, Fremont1080 - 3, Fremont1440 - 2, Fremont2880 - 2
05:20*Peng_ hides
05:21<Peng_>Isn't there somebody who builds graphs out of !avails?
05:23<praetorian>heres one for ya .^\.../`----v`--....
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06:30<linbot>New news from forums: More on the alphabetical slow SSH brute force attacks in General Discussion <>
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07:52<Deviation>Everyone still sleeping?
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08:04*jimmy1 feels full
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08:05<jimmy1>haha, bit early for that! -just my packed lunch! heh
08:06<jimmy1>intend to start the gorgin on wednesday :D
08:06<monotreme>how can I bind Ctrl+Left/Right arrow in PuTTY to do Alt+B/F in bash? (move left/right one word)?
08:08<monotreme>because that's a counter-ergonomic key combo (to not say "stupid")
08:09<monotreme>the whole rest of the world uses Ctrl+Left/Right arrow, except bash
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08:10<Deviation>Lunch time? Where the heck are ya?
08:10<Deviation>Figured you were across the pond
08:11<monotreme>that expression is fine. I hate emacs
08:11<Deviation>Did you and laser ever settle best distro argument? That was getting amusing.
08:11<Deviation>er why?
08:11<Deviation>How about across the large body of water?
08:14<Deviation>I wasn't smiling if that makes it any better
08:15*Yaakov gives SpaceHobo beans.
08:19<SelfishMan>Have you ever flown across that "pond"? Takes fuckin forever!
08:20<straterra>im not flying across the ocean
08:20<straterra>I've seen cast away
08:21<SelfishMan>Although having gone through security in the US and in Israel (along with many other countries) I have to say that the US has *everything* wrong
08:22<SelfishMan>the funny thing is that the delays for the security in several US airports are almost as long if not longer than the actual flight
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08:26<Deviation>Yep. Seems like we would attempt to learn from others rather than making our own wheel... so to speak
08:27<SelfishMan>My worst delay with security was when I was stopped and they kept demanding I give them access to the "porn and music" on my laptop
08:27<SelfishMan>So I decided next time I will be sure to have granny porn and MP3s of pre-1930s music
08:28<Deviation>They tried to steal my cheese once. That was just coming back from Wisconsin.
08:28<straterra>they were saving you...neo
08:29<straterra>the cheese has you...
08:29<Deviation>That was the highlight of the trip. No way I was leaving Wisconsin without cheese!
08:29<SelfishMan>What killed me was this was a laptop I use only when I travel for business because there is nothing on it from other clients
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08:38<Luca111>someone have problem with dallas85?
08:38*SelfishMan checks host list
08:39<SelfishMan>Nope, not on dallas85 but the host is responding
08:39<SelfishMan>Luca111: What problem are you having?
08:39<Luca111>i'm trying to reboot my vps
08:39<Luca111>but it re-start really really slow...
08:40<SelfishMan>Are you sure it isn't just your node running slow?
08:40<SelfishMan>OOM maybe?
08:40<Luca111>i have restart just because my linode was slow...but now...the slowdown it's during the boot of the vps..
08:40<Luca111>so i think that during the reboot
08:41<SelfishMan>during the boot or the shutdown before the reboot?
08:41<Luca111>during the boot
08:41<Luca111>the shutdown work's fine
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08:43<alphabet>noob needs help
08:45<alphabet>when setting my host file up on my linode server is it prudent to have it set like this :- localhost.localdomain localhost
08:45<alphabet>using ubuntu 8.10
08:47<alphabet>host being linode?
08:48<alphabet>thats the trouble lol
08:49<alphabet>my system doesnt have a name
08:49<alphabet>thats what im trying to find out
08:49<alphabet>soory for being thick
08:49<alphabet>i have a domain name
08:49<alphabet>hosted here at linode
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08:51<alphabet>sorry hit the backspace
08:57<alphabet>i have edited my hostname using the hostname command in putty
08:58<alphabet>i edited my hosts file to look like this :- localhost.localdomain localhost
08:58<alphabet>is this no good?
09:00<alphabet>yeah reading now
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09:09<alphabet>ok read all that
09:09<alphabet>problem is my hostname file doent reside in /etc
09:10<alphabet>I have host and host.conf
09:10<alphabet>but no hostname
09:10<SelfishMan>Ubuntu 8.04 and it isn't under /etc?
09:10<alphabet>it is in /bin
09:10<alphabet>ubuntu 8.10
09:11<SelfishMan> /bin/hostname isn't a config file it is a program
09:11<alphabet>usr/share/doc/hostname , /bin/hostname ,/proc/sys/kernel/hostname
09:11<Deviation>create the file
09:12<alphabet>those three places on the server but nowhere else
09:12<alphabet>doesn't 8.10 create it ?
09:12<Deviation>not an ubuntu user...but i would suspect it does...normally
09:13<alphabet>I have installed this server 6 times so far learning and it was there
09:13<alphabet>could it be apache that installs it ?
09:13<Deviation>just got /etc, vi hostname ... and enter you're info
09:13<SelfishMan>creat the file
09:13<SelfishMan>Then create it
09:13<teknicaL>zodiacqueen@rubie:/etc$ find hostname
09:14<teknicaL>it is in /etc on ubuntu
09:14<SelfishMan> /etc/init.d/ will look for /etc/hostname and use it
09:14<Deviation>like was said... just create the file and put in your info
09:15<alphabet>but it aint there lol
09:15<SelfishMan>I fail to see how that is even a concern
09:15<alphabet>any reason why it would not be there?
09:16<SelfishMan>because it doesn't exist by default
09:16<teknicaL>-30F .. nce
09:16<teknicaL>nice, too
09:17<Deviation>-30F ? Is that all?
09:18<teknicaL>So far, yeah.
09:18<Deviation>Its hot here.. -16F
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09:19<teknicaL>Hasn't been this cold in a damn gas bill is gonna be HUGE!
09:19<Deviation>mine was riddiculous this past month
09:19<Deviation>I need to start pimpin on the side to pay it
09:20<teknicaL>I don't even want to open mine when it comes. =\
09:20<teknicaL>Worst thing, it automatically comes out of my checking.
09:20<Deviation>I'm thinkin that geothermal sounds really good about now
09:21<alphabet>ok its there now ( putty hates vi)
09:21<Deviation>Yeah I don't do that. I don't want surprises.
09:21<alphabet>so is there any reason to give my system a name?
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09:21<alphabet>(if I dont need one)
09:23<alphabet>so if i am just using the server to host a website localhost.localdomain localhost would suffice?
09:23<teknicaL>Just call it 'server' at the least, if you don't want one. (Just because.)
09:23<Deviation>Unless you enjoy coming up with the quirkiest, nerdy-est, geeky-est name possible to
09:23<Deviation>out due your fellow geeks
09:24<teknicaL>I don't care about the hostname, but I still give it something. I have shadow, damien, serenity and rubie.
09:24<alphabet>so the only place you would need the hostname is in the host file ?
09:25<alphabet>Yeah got those 2
09:26<teknicaL>Deviation: I don't like surprises either, however I have this tendency to forget about paying them. -- I don't like late fees.
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09:29<alphabet>SpaceHobo: ok
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09:30<alphabet>Can you point me to some docs that explain why you needs this SpaceHobo
09:30<alphabet>I want to learn this
09:31<Deviation>well for starters you could think of a domain as a group of servers rather than a single server
09:31<Deviation>there's more to that, but that's a basic overview
09:32<Deviation>that's why you should pick a hostname and not use the domain name
09:34<Deviation>er pick a server name
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09:35<alphabet>so the hostname wont affect the way I set up my mail client ( dumb question maybe but its all new to me )
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09:42<Deviation>^ Yep
09:43<HoopyCat>i have a little linode, i made it out of bits, and when it's fscked and booted, then linode i shall play
09:43<scorche>rhyming fail
09:44<HoopyCat>i'm not jewish, ok? these things don't come naturally to me :-(
09:44<jimmy1>since i started my shorewall about 30 minutes ago theres been some dropped traffic, how can you tell if its important stuff or not? lol:
09:44<scorche>and you think rhyming comes to us naturally?...we just pay others to do it for us
09:44<straterra>jimmy1: by adding logging rules
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09:45<HoopyCat>jimmy1: were you expecting traffic that didn't get there? if not, then it probably wasn't important :-)
09:45<jimmy1>well i am - they are getting logged to my messages log, but im not sure what they are (see here: )
09:45<HoopyCat>jimmy1: esp. if you don't have anything important on ports 1026 and 1027, for instance
09:45<jimmy1>UDP and inbound traffic
09:46<jimmy1>what is on port 1026 and 1027?
09:46<HoopyCat>jimmy1: who knows? probably nothing, but if you know someone in china, you can ask why they're trying to send packets there.
09:46<HoopyCat>jimmy1: your internet connection is bringing you useless traffic from china; your firewall is dropping useless traffic from china. :-)
09:47<jimmy1>cheap ebay knock off's no doubt
09:48<jimmy1>dropping them
09:49<jimmy1>here is my config:
09:50<straterra>I do
09:51<jimmy1>does it looks like it makes sense straterra?
09:51<HoopyCat>stewardess, i speak jive!
09:51<straterra>I haven't looked at it..
09:51<jimmy1>I have no idea about speaking shorewall or ip tables!
09:51<straterra>If everything is working fine..then leave it
09:51<jimmy1>lol well i just started it 30 minutes ago, seems to be okay...
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09:54<HoopyCat>heehee, neighbor's snowthrower chute is aimed a little towards the dining room windows, which is causing the cats to freak out
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09:57<straterra>Is anyone here using pvgrub?
10:01<@caker>!tell straterra [ask]
10:01<straterra>tee hee
10:01<straterra>It PM'd me
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10:14<HoopyCat>reviewing this selection of approx. 20 batman comics, it appears that few things have jumped the shark with such frequency and grace as batman comics
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10:15<HoopyCat>(that'd be if you're playing along at home)
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10:20<b4>were there network issues with newark?
10:21<b4>then i failed
10:21<b4>my ipv6 FAILED
10:21<HoopyCat>Critical failure: Success
10:22<b4>i like idling telnet sessions
10:22<b4>does OFTC require you to send a PONG occasionally?
10:23<tjfontaine>once every 480 seconds
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10:24<b4>i've had a freenode telnet session on for 162 hours without ponging
10:24<tjfontaine>freenode is not irc
10:24<b4>Your Linode, main, has exceeded the notification threshold (5) for inbound traffic rate by averaging 5.08 MB/s for the last 2 hours.
10:24<HoopyCat>Freenode: IRC to the power of 0
10:24<b4>i don't even think freenode follows the RFC
10:25<tjfontaine>they actively to try to break it
10:25<b4>i like breaking RFCs
10:25<tjfontaine>good then stay on freenode :)
10:25<HoopyCat>Bingo Palace: No AM & Afternoon Sessions
10:25<HoopyCat>omg, there's going to be seniors and catholics roaming the streets with nothing to do
10:26<HoopyCat>Meals On Wheels: Monroe County <--- and the seniors will be hungry!
10:26<b4>somebody rgeistered on my bloh
10:26<b4>who might breefrexsig be...
10:27<Deviation>Wann buy some cheap Viagra from an over seas pharmacy?
10:27<b4>i want to buy a giant magnet form overseas
10:27<Deviation>Oh well then delete my account from your blog
10:27<b4>i've got spiders indexing me
10:28<Deviation>ew spiders!
10:28<Deviation>yeah i appreciate teh attention from the spiders, but they always seem to peg my IO
10:28<HoopyCat>b4: why buy magnets from overseas?
10:28<b4>thats helpful
10:29<b4>wtf is
10:29<Deviation>asian site
10:29<b4>twitter is getting me pageviews
10:30<Deviation>!wtf is b4
10:30<b4>nost of the visits to my blog are on vista
10:30<HoopyCat>Deviation: a lot of the time, i find that spiders crawl like ten different versions of dynamic pages... i.e. you might get the same page via and tweaking robots.txt so they don't look at the alternate versions can help somewhat by making the crawl more efficient
10:30<b4>8 are linux
10:30<Deviation>good thought
10:30<b4>peopel view my blog in links...nvm that might of been me
10:31<Deviation>good thought. i think i did that but i'll check again
10:31<HoopyCat>Deviation: also, if you have a buttload of pages, generating a sitemap can help by telling search engines what's hot and what hasn't changed in awhile. :-)
10:32<HoopyCat>we have... 8651 pages
10:34<b4>i have...2
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10:35<Deviation>yeah i do the sitemap thing
10:35<Deviation>i have ...erm... a few
10:36<Deviation>i think there's only 58 urls in one of my sites
10:36<Deviation>i have 20 domains right now though
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10:36<Deviation>the one with 58 is the one that keeps causing me issues i think
10:37<HoopyCat>ours is about 765k and 4600 lines, but it's static so it's just a pure file->network operation when it gets fetched
10:37<Deviation>i stand corrected 1179 + 58
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10:37<Deviation>yeah mine is drupal (mysql), and gallery (mysql)
10:38<Deviation>well teh main site anyhow
10:38<HoopyCat>doing a wget -O /dev/null from my other linode (not in the same datacenter) gives me two refreshes for the progress bar: one at 0%, one at 100%. en fuego!
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10:42<Deviation>i have a feeling that drupal is cause for most of my frustration
10:47<Deviation>yeah i like the feature set....but it does seem to beat up mysql
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10:56<b4>how much does joomla fail?
10:56<SelfishMan>joomla is synonymous with FAIL
10:56<b4>SelfishMan, i agree
10:56<b4>i installed joomla on
10:56<b4>and frogot the login+pass
10:57<SelfishMan>b4: Don't worry, joomla is insecure enough that the attackers have already reset it for you
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10:57<mwalling>Howie Do It?
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10:57<mwalling>wth $WORK, what are you smoking?
10:57<SelfishMan>mwalling: Yep. Disturbing isn't it?
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10:58<mwalling>on the other hand, Today just had Straight No Chaser on... they're damn good
11:00<SelfishMan>Dear Web 2.0 designers: FUCK. YOU.
11:00<Deviation>I run web 3.5
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11:02<JWright>I prefer web 3.14159265
11:02*mwalling runs Web e
11:03*Peng_ runs Gopher
11:03<straterra>I run Web 1993
11:03<Peng_>Rock carvings, up a hill, both ways?
11:03<mwalling>Peng_: so does mikegrb :P
11:04<mwalling>11:03 GeoIP City Edition, Rev 1: US, TN, Bristol, (null), 36.540600, -82.175797, 531, 423
11:07<Deviation>This is the extent of "mysql tuning" that Drupal suggests:
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11:08<Hareem-GFS>hello everyone
11:10<Hareem-GFS>does anyone know how i could setup an environment to run multiple websites. On a single system
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11:11<SelfishMan>Hareem-GFS: Read up on virtual hosting and HTTP host headers
11:11<Hareem-GFS>any links
11:11<Hareem-GFS>i am looking for a stupid simple approach.
11:11<mwalling>!google apache 2 virtual host documentation
11:11<linbot>mwalling: Search took 0.17 seconds: Apache Virtual Host documentation - Apache HTTP Server: <>; core - Apache HTTP Server: <>; Apache 2 virtual host — Plone CMS: Open Source Content Management: <>; - Set up new virtual hosts (3 more messages)
11:12<Taim>Where would one go to get the latest linode kernel builds? I am running a node w/ Ubuntu 8.10 on it and I think I am hitting a bug with NTP and kernel
11:13<mwalling>edit your config profile, select the kernel you desire from the drop down
11:13<Hareem-GFS>would i need to install something like Bind9
11:13<mwalling>Hareem-GFS: no?
11:13<Deviation>you can use linode for DNS
11:13<emag>Hareem-GFS: the correct way to ask is "linux is gay because it can't run multiple websites on a single system, like windows can"
11:13<Hareem-GFS>so how do i get multiple sites on one server without bind
11:13<SelfishMan>What does BIND have to do with HTTP?
11:13<mwalling>Hareem-GFS: define "sites"
11:13<Deviation>bind is DNS
11:14<Hareem-GFS>4 domains.
11:14<mwalling>11:13 < mwalling> Hareem-GFS: define "sites"
11:14<Deviation>you need a web server... apache, nginx, lighttpd
11:14<mwalling>Deviation: he might not... for all we know, hes talking about mail sites
11:14<mwalling>which i why i keep asking him to define "sites"
11:14<Hareem-GFS>i want to setup a small hosting environment
11:15<Deviation>Hareem-GFS: More details
11:15<mwalling>11:14 < mwalling> 11:13 < mwalling> Hareem-GFS: define "sites"
11:15<HoopyCat>you CAN run BIND and deploy your own DNS infrastructure, but then you'll need a second system in a different location to act as a slave DNS server, so i'd just use linode's DNS manager and leave the crap work to someone else
11:15<Hareem-GFS>so it would need a webserver mail server apache vhost setup etc.. standard shared host setup
11:15<SelfishMan>mwalling: I assume from the original question that by "websites" he means *websites* not mail
11:15<mwalling>SelfishMan: oh, original question went out of scroll back
11:16<SelfishMan>damn scroll back
11:16<Deviation>Hareem-GFS: Are you looking to host for other people or just yourself?
11:16<Hareem-GFS>these are proof of concept sites. Probably get around 100 hits per day
11:17<Deviation>Hareem-GFS: You need: a web server (apache, nginx, lighttpd), mail (postfix) at the least
11:17<SelfishMan>Hareem-GFS: What is your distro of choice for this project?
11:18<Deviation>If you want a simple way to do all this, you can look at Virtualmin
11:18<Hareem-GFS>Ubuntu 8.10 or 8.04
11:18<HoopyCat>Hareem-GFS: i use apache (although next time around i'll be using lighttpd) and postfix under centos (although, next time, it'll be ubuntu)
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11:18<SelfishMan>virtual hosts are easy then. 'apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork' then take a look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
11:19<SelfishMan>for mail grab postfix and postfixadmin
11:19<SelfishMan>expand from there
11:20<HoopyCat>apache is gay because it can't do virtual hosting like IIS can
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11:21<SelfishMan>One thing that pisses me off about apache is that it doesn't support HTTPS virtual hosting
11:22<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: for awhile there, i believe it was a forehead-smacking problem with the https protocol itself (why not encrypt the Host: header too, eh?), but i wouldn't be shocked if technology has improved since then
11:22<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: IIS will search all known HTTPS certs until it finds one that "matches" the request. Sucks for thousands of HTTPS sites but still works
11:23<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: i was going to mention it, but then i realized that'd be an awfully stupid and unfortunate way to have to do it, so i left it out on the off chance that there's actually a better way
11:24<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: There is always a better way but Microsoft likes to avoid that
11:25<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: apparently, i was wrong; from a cold start, i came up with the state-of-the-art microsoft solution in about five seconds. it took them, what, 25 years?
11:25<SelfishMan>Nah, 10 years at most. Before that a single IP per site was not a problem
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11:27<linbot>New news from forums: error when installing Rails in General Discussion <>
11:27<HoopyCat>now, if only there were a way to send documents over phone lines so the postal person didn't have to trudge through 16" of unplowed snow to deliver an envelope from the mortgage company entitled "IMPORTANT INFORMATION ENCLOSED!"
11:27<SelfishMan>They have that
11:27<SelfishMan>I think it's called encrypted PDFs
11:28<SelfishMan>or is this a matter of applying the wrong solution to a simple problem?
11:28<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: oh, it wasn't actually important; if the mortgage company actually sends postal mail i don't have to sign for, it's just an advertisement. maybe those could be sent via e-mail
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11:31<@irgeek>HoopyCat & SelfishMan: Do you really not understand the IP-per-hostname problem for HTTPS?
11:32<SelfishMan>irgeek: I understand the problem and IIS actually can do single IP virtual hosting of HTTPS sites
11:32<HoopyCat>irgeek: i probably don't, since i don't do too much with SSL (although it's on my vacation to-do list)
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11:33<@mikegrb>SelfishMan: so can apache
11:33<SelfishMan>since when?
11:33<@mikegrb>since forever
11:33<@mikegrb>you just can't use multiple certs
11:33<@irgeek>SelfishMan: The only way I've seen to host multiple hostnames on a single IP is using a certificate with multiple subjects - but it requires coordination to put all of the names in one cert like that so it's not feasible for mass hosting.
11:34<SelfishMan>mikegrb: IIS will use multiple certs though
11:34<@mikegrb>not correctly
11:34<HoopyCat>i'd consider each site having its own certificate to be an essential part of https virtual hosting
11:34<@irgeek>SelfishMan: I'd really like to see an example of that. Know two sites on the same IP?
11:35<@mikegrb>it's not possible because the ssl connection is built (and thus the cert is chosen) before the host header is sent'
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11:36<@irgeek>HoopyCat: It doesn't have to have it's *own* cert, but there can be only one cert so the correct name has to be in the subject of the cert.
11:36<@mikegrb>just get a wildcard cert with a CN of *
11:36*mikegrb runs
11:36<HoopyCat>i forgot about the handshake, durrp. sorry, i'm a little sober right now
11:37<@irgeek>SelfishMan: If you're thinking of a situation where IIS works for multiple names-per-IP on a LAN, that's a trusted environment so it is not applicable to the Internet.
11:37<Peng_>TLS supports vhosting now though.
11:38<SelfishMan>Not on a LAN. I was working with a few people that were doing it and I'm trying to find the emails right now where they give a few sites
11:38<b4>i need a ssl cet
11:38<@irgeek>Peng_: HTTPS now has support, but it's not yet built into the majority of installed browsers.
11:39<b4>SSL ftw
11:39<b4>whats better
11:39<mwalling>does netflix process on christmmas?
11:39<b4>dnutls or openssl?
11:39<b4>mwalling, can you order PIZZA ON new years day?
11:40<@irgeek>b4: No matter what you choose, you're going to forget how to use it by the time you need a new certificate.
11:40<mwalling>b4: my old resturuant, yes, starting at noon.
11:40<HoopyCat>mwalling: mail delivery is suspended and the mail handling rate drops substantially... i'm not sure if the usps<->netflix interface would be active on christmas day, but i'd think the volumes would be low enough that they'd just mail it in, so to speak
11:41<mwalling>b4: and we were open on new years eve until 10 (then locked the doors and got out the bag in a box wine)
11:42<HoopyCat>dear CeCe Peniston: please change your name
11:43<b4>caker, do we get christmas ram+disk increases?
11:43<mwalling>b4: you think he is going to spoil the surprise
11:43<@irgeek>More? You haven't even finished the RAM+disk you got last year!
11:44<b4>mwalling, no, i expect him to say maybe
11:44<HoopyCat>i'd expect no comment from the league office
11:44<linbot>b4: maybe
11:44<b4>irgeek, i've only sue dlnode since november!
11:44<@irgeek>How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?
11:44<@irgeek>I've only been using it since 2003!
11:44<b4>irgeek, feed the meat to the dog
11:45*HoopyCat puts $10 on "New news from blog: Linode is proud to announce acquisition by New Dream Network, LLC"
11:46<mwalling>wtf is that?
11:46*SelfishMan cancels all nodes
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11:46<b4>i could of done that
11:46<Peng_>But I bet that'd mean more California nodes! :)
11:46<HoopyCat>mwalling: parent company of DreamHost
11:47<b4>dreamhost ftl
11:47<b4>compared to linode
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11:47<Peng_>Is it just me, or does Linode have an oddly large number of DreamHost refugees?
11:47<Peng_>Or is it just because DH is so large?
11:47<mwalling>and sucks so much
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11:48<mwalling>head of my LUG says dreamhost is a better deal then linode
11:48<HoopyCat>better deal, sure
11:48<@irgeek>mwalling: He's wrong
11:48<SelfishMan>define "better deal"
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11:48<mwalling>irgeek: no shit
11:48<mwalling>hes a moron
11:48<HoopyCat>greyhound's a better deal than jetblue
11:48<@irgeek>Start a coup!
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11:48<SelfishMan>I mean, if you are just looking at the pricetag then sure but when you actually look at performance and everything else then no it isn't
11:49<HoopyCat>but i bet you won't see him riding the monocrome bitch to tulsa
11:49<mwalling>he posted to our ML asking if we wanted to have the meeting the 3rd or the 10th... after 4 votes for the 3rd, and 1 for the 10th, he said the consencious was the 10th
11:49<SelfishMan>My apple is so much sweeter than your grapefruit
11:49<mwalling>he also reads lifehacker like the bible
11:49<@irgeek>mwalling: Which LUG?
11:50*cdlu has no part of it!
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11:51<HoopyCat>mwalling: next meeting is at the old country buffet, because it's a better deal
11:51<Peng_>mwalling: That reminds me of a quote from House, something like "And who thinks their vote matters?".
11:51<mwalling>Peng_: house <3
11:53<b4>it's 14 degrees otu!
11:53<HoopyCat>b4: stfu, wind is 47km/h here
11:53<SelfishMan>It's up to 11 here
11:53<b4>HoopyCat, how fast is that?
11:53<HoopyCat>b4: about half of 100km/h
11:53<b4>and how fats is that?
11:54<HoopyCat>b4: that's superphat
11:54<HoopyCat>let's see... -8, wind chill -17
11:54<HoopyCat>according to radar, it stopped snowing about 8am this morning; we're just getting the snow that's falling over buffalo
11:55<b4>HoopyCat, what country?
11:55<b4>or state
11:55<HoopyCat>b4: rochester, new york
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11:56<SelfishMan>rochester, new york is a country now?
11:56<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: or state
11:57<HoopyCat>i could say "new york", but then people would get us confused with a similarly-named city near new jersey
11:57<b4>i can't listen to alaskan radio :(
11:57<HoopyCat>b4: try mexican radio
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12:00<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: wind is calm here, mostly due to the anemoneomeneter being frozen
12:01<HoopyCat>mikegrb: you need to put a little space heater under your weather monitoring equipment
12:01<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: especially under the thermometer, wouldn't want that freezing
12:02<HoopyCat>mikegrb: "It's 154 with blowing snow!"
12:05<b4>i never ficed cgi-bin
12:07<@irgeek>is it braken?
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12:15<@tasaro>ah, mail from the cat himself...
12:16<b4>tasaro, when the bandwith bug was fixed you couldn't of shrinked the meter by 40%?
12:16<b4>it doens't need reset for me
12:16*HoopyCat shrinks b4's meter 40%
12:17*mwalling shrinks b4's ______ by 40%
12:17*HoopyCat _____s mwalling's _____ by ___%
12:17<mwalling>b4: maybe now you'll get your hand off it and use both hands to type
12:17<@caker>HoopyCat: thanks for the card!
12:17<Peng_>Bandwidth bug?
12:17<mwalling>HoopyCat: i need parts of speech!
12:18<b4>caker, you need a card
12:18<HoopyCat>caker: np :-)
12:18<@tasaro>no desktop junk this time!
12:18<@irgeek>Peng_: Nothing to see here. Move along now...
12:18<@mikegrb>mmm cake
12:18<b4>caker, do you prefer cake-based cards?
12:18<HoopyCat>the thing that sucks about not having a job is i have to pace christmas card mailing... back at work, i could just slip 'em in the outgoing mail, but here, there's a physical limit to how much mail i can leave hanging through the slot
12:19<Peng_>irgeek: Ah, right. I don't know what I could have been referring to. Bandwidth what? :)
12:20<HoopyCat>and while there's a decent outbound mail handling system at school, that'd require that i get off my butt and start christmas card processing before christmas vacation :-)
12:20<linbot>Peng_: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 3, Fremont720 - 15, Fremont1080 - 3, Fremont1440 - 2, Fremont2880 - 2
12:20<HoopyCat>Peng_: just get a 2880 and sublet it using UML
12:20<mwalling>HoopyCat: you dont have big blue boxes?
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12:21<Peng_>HoopyCat: I'm just window-shopping.
12:21<Peng_>But that's an interesting idea.
12:21<HoopyCat>mwalling: we do, but the nearest one is five blocks away across $busy_road_without_crosswalks. and, frankly, it's cold outside
12:21<Peng_>I mean, putting a VM in a VM is silly, but I wonder how well it'd work?
12:21<mwalling>Peng_: caker said he has a sekrit stash. if you want to move, just move ffs
12:22<HoopyCat>Peng_: i've done it and it worked; i didn't do any performance tweaking or testing, of course
12:22<HoopyCat>for the love of god, montressor!
12:22<@irgeek>mwalling: He doesn't want to. He's just obsessed with HE.
12:22<tjfontaine>him and me me and him
12:23<mwalling>speaking of ffs... its snowing again.
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12:23<Peng_>irgeek: "Window shopping" sounds less...mentally imbalanced. :P
12:23<HoopyCat>"Michael Jackson forced to prove Billie Jean was not his lover "
12:24<HoopyCat>... and no, it's not satire, parody, or a joke
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12:25<SelfishMan>Ah yes, the birth of the moonwalk
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12:27<SelfishMan>She isn't very smart is she
12:27<SelfishMan>Considering that Jackson is broke
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12:30<HoopyCat>i dunno... if i were him, broke or not, i'd be careful what i do and not go around breaking young girls' hearts
12:30*SelfishMan bites tongue
12:31<HoopyCat>sorry about that bad joke. next time, i'll remember to always think twice
12:31*Peng_ missed the joke
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12:34<mwalling>Peng_: stop humpping that 3'x4' airal photo of HT's DC and pay attention
12:35<HoopyCat>Peng_: Eccentric recording artist and musician Michael Jackson is allegedly facing a lawsuit regarding possible matrimonial and reproductive activities with a Billie Jean Jackson. This is particularly humorous, considering the subject matter and title of his 1983 hit single "Billie Jean."
12:35<SelfishMan>If it wasn't for Billie Jean there would be no moonwalk
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12:36<Twayne>what would the world do without the "moonwalk"
12:36<Clorith>Twayne, Marswalk, obviously
12:37<HoopyCat>Clorith: SO HOW'S THE EXAM DOING?
12:37<Twayne>of course, why didn't i think of that
12:37<HoopyCat>oops, sorry, had the snark lock key on
12:37<Clorith>HoopyCat, I finished and handed it in like 5 or 6 hours ago
12:37<Clorith>I think it went to hell :P
12:37<Clorith>but hey, you win some you lose some ;)
12:37<HoopyCat>Clorith: woot... i'm interested to see how that subnet problem gets marked :-)
12:37<Clorith>so am I, hehe
12:37<teknicaL>What ubuntu package do I have to install to order to build something with mysql support ?
12:37<SelfishMan>subnet problem?
12:38<Clorith>teknicaL, mysql it self? :P
12:38<HoopyCat>teknicaL: mysql-devel or something like that... can't remember exactly
12:38<Twayne>Linux sucks because...
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12:39<HoopyCat> is gay because it can't quote #linode like noobfarm can
12:39<teknicaL>HoopyCat: I tried dev-mysql mysql-dev mysql-devel.. None of those existed
12:39<Twayne>it's funny just read it
12:39<Clorith>teknicaL, did you do aptitude update first ?
12:40<SelfishMan>teknicaL: It's mysql5 not mysql
12:40<Clorith><folly> and anyone who tells you you can is a moron.
12:40<Clorith><folly> (or a windows admin, which amounts to much the same thing)
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12:41<HoopyCat>might also be libmysql++-dev
12:41<SelfishMan>Oh, you specifically want dev?
12:41<teknicaL>SelfishMan: I used mysql to install the server as well as the mysql client. I also already tried them with 'mysql5'
12:42<teknicaL>HoopyCat: thank you! =]
12:43<HoopyCat>teknicaL: i can never remember which scheme is which... redhat and debian use foo-devel or libfoo-dev
12:44<Twayne> I booked into a hotel and said to the receptionist, "I hope the porn channel in my room is disabled." "No," she said, "it's regular porn, you sick bastard
12:45<teknicaL>HoopyCat: I tried a bunch of variations that didn't work. I didn't feel like looking at thosands of packages to find it, so I figured someone in here would know. ;p Thanks!
12:45*SelfishMan doesn't get it
12:45<HoopyCat>Twayne: let's see... the michael jackson thing has already been discussed here, but we haven't hit the Black Tulip 4th floor map yet
12:46<Clorith>family guy is on, back in a bit ;P
12:46<Twayne>"disabled" aka handicap
12:47<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: you see, there's two meanings of the word "disabled" here... there's "i hope the porn channel in my room is not available", then there's "i hope there's porn regarding the subject of disabled people in my room"... it's clear that the person speaking to the receptionist meant meaning #1, but the receptionist interpreted it as meaning #2, thus creating the funny
12:47<SelfishMan>Why do you need the porn channel disabled? Can't you control yourself and not buy any of it?
12:47<Twayne>Black Tulip 4th floor? is that this:
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12:48<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: the person may well have children or be a member of a religion which prohibits the availability of such temptations
12:49<SelfishMan>Then they aren't devoted enough to their faith if that can't resist the temptation
12:49<Twayne>SelfishMan: no self control for disabled's, what can i say.. :P
12:49<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: some people really would rather not deal with such issues while on vacation
12:49<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: I must just be missing something here
12:49*SelfishMan is bored and walks away
12:50<Twayne>Selfishman: you missed the joke
12:50<SelfishMan>must not have been that good
12:50<JWright>SelfishMan: it's generally easier to make such a decision (should you choose to) at 5PM in hotel lobby than it is at 1AM in a hotel room
12:50<HoopyCat>this joke is currently going over SelfishMan International Airport at FL370
12:52<Twayne>HoopyCat: do explain the "Black Tulip 4th Floor Map"
12:53<HoopyCat>hotel television porn is expensive, and the relative cost of Fur Your Eyes Only XII is easily overlooked after a fifth of gin
12:53<HoopyCat>Twayne: *sigh*... see room 404 on that map?
12:53<SelfishMan>ha...furry porn
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12:54<HoopyCat>Twayne: the "You Are Here" arrow points right at the guy's bum. think dirty thoughts until you get it.
12:54<Twayne>Maybe I was hanging out at SelfishMan International Airport at the time..
12:55<Deviation>The MX record value 'mail' does not have an IP Address (A) record. -- might explain why i wasn't getting emails
12:55<Deviation>furry porn = 70's porn
12:55<Twayne>I get it, haha
12:55<teknicaL>Here is another question for ya.. Why does nano and pico fuck up the code (makes it al 'comrpess' together) when you use the up and down arrors to scroll?) - I only have this problem on my servers running linux..My freebsd boxes are fine.
12:56<SelfishMan>teknicaL: because you aren't running the right command
12:56<SelfishMan>the correct one is 'vim'
12:56<HoopyCat>teknicaL: that's usually a termcap problem. ctrl-L will refresh the entire screen when it does that
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12:58<teknicaL>SelfishMan: I prefer nano for quick editing.. The only other editor I will use is vi and it's usually when I have to add 'special code' [escape character] to certain files or for find & replace.
12:58<HoopyCat>teknicaL: the problem is likely somewhere inside of /etc/termcap , which is one of the most awesome historical reads in unix
13:01<HoopyCat>another absolutely fascinating read is the zoneinfo database, which is -- for some reason that isn't really explained anywhere -- distributed by the National Institutes of Health via FTP
13:01<Deviation>people still read things?
13:02<zxvf>google ruins everything
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13:02<HoopyCat>warning: it untars into .
13:02<Peng_>And the mailing list is, like, manual. And the CVS isn't public. It's fun! :D
13:03<zxvf>attention irc: I am searching for a fiber cleaner!
13:03<Twayne>HoopyCat: But my Mom say no
13:03<zxvf>via sametime instant messenger
13:03<HoopyCat>zxvf: metamucil?
13:03<zxvf>no, one for fiber optics
13:04<zxvf>Americar X
13:04<HoopyCat>ae5ir: but it's only a "good source of fiber"
13:04<zxvf>the greatest american car ever mdae
13:04<zxvf>why do they offer colon cleanse?
13:05<HoopyCat>ae5ir: i want an absolutely, mind-boggling, destructively awesome source of incredible, newsworthy, terrifying quantities of fiber
13:05<HoopyCat>zxvf: you ever looked inside your colon? it's pretty disgusting up in there
13:05<zxvf>HoopyCat: i'm not that flexible
13:05<ae5ir>zxvf: brought to you by your friends at domainsponsor
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13:18<SelfishMan>WTF? I walk away for a few minutes and this is where the conversation goes?
13:20<SelfishMan>So glad my current fling knows nothing about this channel or I would be screwed and not in a good way
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13:22<mwalling>deleware bridge authority fail...
13:22<mwalling>i got a notice of violation (from *AUGUST*) today, it says payment is required within 15 days of this notice... the notice was dated the 6th of december.
13:23<path->hah, they want your late fees too
13:23<path->those people are asses
13:23<mwalling>nah, weaseled out of those
13:23<HoopyCat>mwalling: the 407ETR sent me a bill for $700, about three years late
13:24<HoopyCat>mwalling: turns out they had the wrong address on file, since i'd moved about 4 years prior to traversing the ETR and it apparently takes them awhile to get updates from the new york DMV
13:24<mwalling>HoopyCat: the urgent care sent me a bill for $15, 5 years from the date of service
13:25<HoopyCat>mwalling: i sent a sternly-worded letter with, like, 15 copies sent to everyone from the secretary of state to an MPP in ontario who happened to think the ETR lease as a bad idea
13:26<mwalling>wait, $700 in late fees?
13:26<weasel>mwalling: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
13:26<HoopyCat>mwalling: no, a $70 toll followed by $630 in late fees
13:26<mwalling>$70 toll?
13:26<mwalling>what is with you oftc people and not having \b in your highlight regexps
13:26<mwalling>cdlu and weasel ^^
13:27<SelfishMan>The state of Texas retroactively decided to tax me for ten years of back taxes totalling somewhere around $350,000
13:27<HoopyCat>mwalling: the number of kilometers driven (small) multiplied by the cost per kilometer (rather high) does result in $70, so that part i was ok with paying
13:28<mwalling>had rental car when i was going to UDel... coworker was asleep in passenger seat, had transponder between his legs (wasnt going there). came across the bridge, realized it was a toll road, woke him up (finally), but didnt get the tag to read in time.
13:28<JWright>the state of new york impounded my car because I didn't reply to a letter I didn't get... (the DMV even acknowledged there was no way I could have received the letter since my address was forwarded at that point and DMV mail doesn't forward, yet I still had to pay $500 to get the situation resolved)
13:28<mwalling>wah wah
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13:29<mwalling>JWright: i got $750 in fines and court costs because i challenged a "failure to stop" ticket at an intersection where i had a yield sign and there was no traffic
13:29<cdlu>mwalling, ?
13:29<mwalling>11:50 < mwalling> cdlug
13:29<mwalling>11:50 * cdlu has no part of it!
13:30<cdlu>what about \b?
13:30<mwalling>word boundry
13:30<cdlu>I don't use nick highlighting
13:31<cdlu>instinct usually takes care of any references to my nick
13:31<Peng_>No nick highlighting? Wow.
13:31<mwalling>JWright: mind you, this is the same cop who wrote me a ticket a week before in my other car for having an expired registration (ny registrations expire mid month, mine expired the 23rd, the date of the ticket was the 16th)
13:31<HoopyCat>perhaps we should use base64 to encode words that might coincide with the nicks of people who are idling in #linode. it'd be a tiny adjustment, but it would avoid the row that occurs when we accidentally use someone's nick in a sentence.
13:32<mwalling>i tjfontained all over my keyboard
13:32<HoopyCat>perhaps you'd like to be a guinea-pig for this, tjfontaine?
13:33*HoopyCat lights up status bars like jerry lewis lights up phone banks
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13:49<N1JER>is 2.6.27-4 the latest & greatest kernel?
13:49<Xel>What's set to linode current?
13:50<@caker>main screen turn on
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13:50<Xel>caker - when do some of the newer 2.6's become the 'latest 2.6' in the manager?
13:50<Xel>Still working out the bugs?
13:51<N1JER>i don't see a 2.6.27-10 .. i see a though
13:51<HoopyCat>Linux #1 SMP Thu Nov 6 09:22:58 EST 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
13:51<HoopyCat>^--- latest, greatest
13:52<HoopyCat>unless, of course, you're on UML, in which case you don't even get /proc/xen/volcano/beer :-/
13:52<mwalling>Linux edison #2 SMP Sat Jul 19 20:24:32 EDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
13:52<mwalling>^--- latest 2.6
13:52<N1JER>HoopyCat: I'm on 2.6.27-4 .. thank you
13:52<N1JER>is there a way to make it so it always follows the latest?
13:53<N1JER>hmm, 'latest' follows 2.6.18
13:53<N1JER>hrm, ok
13:53<HoopyCat>N1JER: -linode14 is still in beta testing, since it uses a whole different virtualization method than -linode10
13:53<Xel>They don't make the newer ones 'latest' until caker is comfortable that they are stable
13:54<N1JER>HoopyCat: I had stability problems with 2.6.18 but 2.6.17-4 has been fine
13:54<teknicaL>I'm happy running w/e caker thinks is the mmost stable, so I follow the 'Latest 2.6.x' path
13:54<HoopyCat>N1JER: we usually call it by its linode suffix (i.e. -linode14) 'cuz there's too many danged numbers, btw :-)
13:54<N1JER>ah, yeah, i was thinking that
13:55<HoopyCat>caker: p.s. forum reports that you might wanna /etc/init.d/mysql start
13:56<teknicaL>yer linode's site = borked
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13:57<teknicaL>(The 'community' section that is)
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14:02<SelfishMan>There's that burning toast smell again
14:02<HoopyCat>isn't that a sign of cyanide poisoning?
14:02<SelfishMan>I thought that was the smell of almonds?
14:03<BP{k}> cyanide, smells of bitter almonds
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14:04<SelfishMan>What does a *bitter* almond smell like?
14:04<Twayne>i didn't know you could smell bitter, only taste it right?
14:05<SelfishMan>Well I'm not going to taste cyanide to see what it smells like
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14:24<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: cats don't belong in chimneys, m'kay?
14:26<SelfishMan>Why d6es every6ne 5n the w6r3d have t6 4se 192.168././+16+
14:26<SelfishMan>damn numlock
14:26<SelfishMan>Why does everyone in the world have to use
14:27<Peng_>It's shinier than 10/8.
14:27<Peng_>It's like the Web 4.5 of IP addresses.
14:28<SelfishMan>I'm still pissed at anyone using web > .091
14:31<HoopyCat>it appears this thing is silently dropping transmission of this 1.25MB .wav file to my cellph-- no! it just went through!
14:31<@irgeek>SelfishMan: Is there a reason everyone *shouldn't* be using
14:31<SelfishMan>irgeek: VPN
14:32<@irgeek>The real problem is everyone using
14:35<@irgeek>I had to change my home subnet when I got access to Linode's VPN. Thankfully, the AirPort made it really, really easy. Change one number, restart, done.
14:35<SelfishMan>Actually my problem is specifically with Linode using
14:35<Peng_>Question: Would IPv6 magically solve this?
14:36<SelfishMan>Peng_: Yes
14:36<SelfishMan>IPv6 doesn't need RFC1918 type address space
14:36<SelfishMan>So, what I want to know is if I would get in trouble for using a different subnet on my Linode's private interface
14:37<exor674>SelfishMan: you won't get traffic
14:37<exor674>if I understand what you mean
14:37<Peng_>irgeek: Hmm, could we get IPv6 private networks before IPv6-everything? :D
14:38<SelfishMan>I have two nodes I want to communicate over the private network but the address space kills access as the other end of the routed VPN is
14:38<@irgeek>SelfishMan: Using another range would not be router.
14:38<@irgeek>Er, routed.
14:38<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: the /24 is a more specific route and should take priority...
14:38<SelfishMan>The linode can see the multiple networks on the other end of the VPN so yes, it is routed
14:39<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: It doesn't
14:39<exor674>SelfishMan: the other private network subnet won't be routed TO your node
14:39<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: your router is broken; buy a new one
14:39<exor674>if you like try to use on the private network, you won't get anything routed to that -- if I understand you right?
14:39<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: Do you have a spare linode sitting around?
14:40<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: nothing spare, per se :-)
14:40<@irgeek>SelfishMan: I meant if you use some random range for your private interfaces, the Linode network won't route traffic between them.
14:41<SelfishMan>Linode A -> private network -> Linode B -> VPN -> Linux router -> network
14:41<SelfishMan> can not be changed and Linode B must be able to reach everything in the network
14:42<@irgeek>If you two Linode private IPs are in a smaller subnet, however, you can probably override your netmask and make them think they are on a smaller subnet.
14:42<SelfishMan>irgeek: Unfortunately they were pretty far apart
14:42<exor674>ask for closer ones?
14:43<exor674>(not sure if that is a possibility)
14:43<SelfishMan>I can't believe it comes down to asking for allocation of a RFC1918 IP address
14:43<SelfishMan>ha ha ha
14:43<@irgeek>SelfishMan: If you don't mind changing them, we could probably accommodate you there.
14:44<SelfishMan>irgeek: Part of the problem is that almost all of the space is in use by the sites connecting to this Linode
14:46<@irgeek>I guess you could trying natting. :p
14:46<SelfishMan>Not worth changing that many client sites when dropping eth1 off the Linode fixes everything
14:47<exor674>just eat the extra bandwidth a month and do it over hte public?
14:47<SelfishMan>Thought I would check and see if there were any problems
14:47<SelfishMan>exor674: Yep. I have bandwidth to spare but 90% of my traffic is between nodes
14:49<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: depending on how stuff is allocated, if you could even eek out a couple unused /24's, there's probably decent odds of having luck with that
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14:50<@irgeek>SelfishMan: Here's an idea that may work. Use a /32 netmask on your private interfaces. Then on Linode A you add a static route that Linode B's private IP is routed through the private interface and on Linode B you add the a similar static route for Linode A's private IP. Then you only lose a small portion of the RFC1918 space and (hopefully) you can get around the two missing addresses.
14:52<bd_>Linode should support ipv6 on the private backend network ;)
14:52<SelfishMan>Is rsync IPv6 enabled yet?
14:53<bd_>SelfishMan: rsync uses ssh as its transport backend usually
14:53<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: you bet your bippy
14:53<mwalling>unless it uses rsync as its transport
14:53<bd_>it /can/ be used directly, but this is a bad idea from a security perspective
14:54*irgeek thinks his idea would work, but doesn't have two Linodes in one DC to test it.
14:54<SelfishMan>irgeek: When I can break everything I will give it a try
14:56<bd_>mwalling: direct rsync is counterindicated for security reasons, unless you're simply mirroring public data :)
14:57<SelfishMan>bd_: publishing blacklists via rsync so yes it is (mostly) public data
14:57<bd_>ah, okay
14:57<bd_>well, man rsync talks about ipv6, so :)
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14:59<linbot>irgeek: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 3, Fremont720 - 15, Fremont1080 - 3, Fremont1440 - 2, Fremont2880 - 2
14:59<linbot>irgeek: Newark360 - 16, Newark540 - 3, Newark720 - 16, Newark1080 - 8, Newark1440 - 6, Newark2880 - 4
15:00<linbot>irgeek: Dallas360 - 7, Dallas540 - 31, Dallas720 - 14, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
15:00<mwalling>bd_: thats all i use it for anyway
15:00<linbot>mwalling: Atlanta360 - 24, Atlanta540 - 31, Atlanta720 - 33, Atlanta1080 - 11, Atlanta1440 - 8, Atlanta2880 - 6
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15:06<brcc>Please tell me dallas is not down again
15:06<mwalling>not for me
15:07*mwalling is happilly talking to this 3 dallas nodes
15:08<brcc>Maybe just our hjost
15:08<linbot>mwalling: "mtr" could be mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows.
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15:10<@irgeek>brcc: What's the Linode you're trying to reach? You can PM me a Linode ID or IP if you like.
15:10<Sephiroth_>What should I make of two directories under /root having seemingly corrupted permissions (recursive too)?
15:10<@irgeek>Corrupted permissions?
15:11<Sephiroth_>Should be all root.root
15:11<SelfishMan>Sephiroth_: Looks to me like you extracted an archive that someone else made
15:11<SelfishMan>don't worry about it
15:11<Sephiroth_>Well this is affecting directories that already existed
15:12<brcc>irgeek: Dalas100
15:12<SelfishMan>SelfishMan: In what way
15:12<SelfishMan>damn tab completion
15:12<Sephiroth_>It's affecting /root/build and worryingly /root/chkrootkit-0.48 (which is u=1000 g=users)
15:13<SelfishMan>Sephiroth_: chown -r root:root ./
15:13<Sephiroth_>I have done
15:13<Sephiroth_>But I'd like to know why it happened
15:13<mwalling>15:11 < SelfishMan> Sephiroth_: Looks to me like you extracted an archive that someone else made
15:13<SelfishMan>What mwalling said I said
15:14<mwalling>Sephiroth_: no, you're likely not pwned.
15:14<Sephiroth_>Only archive I've extracted recently is the latest version of apache
15:15<SelfishMan>Sephiroth_: Is there a reason you are building from source?
15:15<mwalling>so you didnt download eaccelerator-, fcgi, etc?
15:15<Sephiroth_>I did, but a long time ago mwalling
15:16<mwalling>and you're just noticing that they have strange UID/GIDs now?
15:16<Sephiroth_>Yes, they certainly wern't like that the last time I poked around in build/
15:17<mwalling>you sure?
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15:17<Sephiroth_>Well it doesn't seem like something I would miss unless I'm suddenly a lot more paranoid
15:17<mwalling>but yeah, answer SelfishMan's question
15:18<Sephiroth_>There are some compile options I wanted to enable/disable on apache
15:18<mwalling>what distro?
15:18<Sephiroth_>CentOS 5
15:18<Sephiroth_>I'm using suexec specifically
15:19<mwalling>wouldnt it be better to use the srpm's (or what ever they're called?)
15:19<SelfishMan>I thought CentOS was finally supporting packages for almost everything?!?
15:19<SelfishMan>I know Ubuntu has a package for exactly that ;-P
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15:23<Sephiroth_>Seems you may be right about the permissions coming from the archives
15:24<Sephiroth_>The permissions only come out as-is when you extract as root however?
15:24<mwalling>afaik, tar tried to chown them as non-root, but fails (obviously)
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15:37<@irgeek>Sephiroth_: Only root can chown to a different user so only sources unpacked as root get their owner "restored"
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15:38<@irgeek>SelfishMan: My idea may not be as awesome as I thought. I'm playing with it now, but it's not working yet.
15:38<SelfishMan>irgeek: It sounded a little off but then again that's how PPP works
15:38<HoopyCat>BREAKING NEWS: irgeek's solution "not" "awesome"; utter failure to create "working" "idea". film at 11
15:39<mwalling>heh... reading dreamhoststatus for humor value
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15:43<Peng_>mwalling: They aim to please.
15:43<mwalling>the comments are good
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15:49<HoopyCat>mwalling: i dunno, but i think they gave plenty of notice of this routine maintenance, and scheduled it for a perfectly appropriate time. no idea why people are getting all uppity.
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15:50<bd_>HoopyCat: because they're paying a whole $5 per month or something AND THEY GET DOWNTIME!!?!?!?!
15:51<HoopyCat>omg they even took down kitchensink
15:51<mwalling>and they get more bandwidth and storage then linode for a quarter the price!
15:51<@mikegrb>bd_: well according to their announcement it was mostly private server customers that were affected
15:52<bd_>oh. needs more live migration.
15:52<Peng_>Yeah, like Linode's live migration feature? :P
15:52<@mikegrb>though they say more than one on a box so I take that to mean their VPSes which start at $20.95
15:52<bd_>mikegrb: and don't give you root
15:53<mwalling>but its a quarter the price!
15:53<@mikegrb>yeah I don't know anything about what they do :p
15:53<HoopyCat>root root rooty patooty doot dooty rooty root
15:53<@mikegrb>mwalling: no, it's a dollar more for less than half the ram
15:53<HoopyCat>sorry, "root" is just an inherently funny word and i giggle every time i hear it
15:53<Peng_>Probably get 10,000 times the bandwidth and disk space though.
15:53<mwalling>but its a quarter the price!!!!
15:54<HoopyCat>mwalling: no, it's a whole four quarters more the price!
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15:55<HoopyCat>i like for sheer drinking game potential... do a shot every time a form of the word "unfortunate" is used
15:55<bd_>HoopyCat: once
15:55<bd_>the rest are "unfortunately" :)
15:56<HoopyCat>bd_: i'd consider "unfortunately" to be a form of the word "unfortunate" :-)
16:00<SelfishMan>It takes two days to restore service on that cluster with 107 nodes? Really?
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16:02<HoopyCat>i think 8 hours would be about the threshold at which caker would send mikegrb to the datacenter of difficulty with the maximum armament allowed by airport security
16:02<HoopyCat>(which is, as it turns out, about six ounces of shampoo)
16:02<@mikegrb>my fists are all I need
16:03<jcn>3 ounces, right?
16:03<SelfishMan>or 2 liters of "saline" solution
16:03<mwalling>4 ounces?
16:03<HoopyCat>jcn: maybe it's 3 ounces of shampoo and 3 ounces of conditioner. in any case, i'm reasonably sure mikegrb uses pert.
16:04<SelfishMan>SpaceHobo: Why don't we ever cuddle anymore?
16:04<Peng_>Better hope it's not NAC, then. Aren't they within driving distance? :P
16:04<HoopyCat>Peng_: have YOU ever been stuck in traffic on the turnpike?
16:05<@mikegrb>we don't take the turnpike to nac :op
16:05<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: I was typing that as you did
16:05<HoopyCat>SelfishMan <3
16:05<HoopyCat>unicode is still fscked up in my web browser a bit after that incident in myanmar
16:05<@irgeek>It's 3oz per container in one 1L re-sealable bag. Nothing I've seen says all the 3oz containers have to have different substances in them.
16:06<SelfishMan>irgeek: Last I heard it had to be ziplock brand too
16:06<@irgeek>You could probably manage about 30oz of shampoo in the right containers.
16:06<SelfishMan>Put it in a saline solution bottle
16:06<mwalling>mikegrb: GSP, right?
16:07<HoopyCat>last time i went down to visit my parents at their winter home, i took amtrak, so i prestaged shampoo, shaving gel, toothpaste, etc
16:07<HoopyCat>so now i can fly down there without having to carry on any liquids
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16:08<jcn>i suspect that there are stores down near your parents' place...
16:09<HoopyCat>jcn: yeah, but i'm a brand whore and a bit of a cheapskate. i buy wegmans shampoo by the hogshead and just refill an old bottle i've had since 1987
16:09<SelfishMan>Just once I want to see a movie or a TV show where the car drives off a cliff and it *doesn't* explode
16:10<SelfishMan>wtf is wegmans?
16:10<mwalling>SelfishMan: grocery store
16:10<mwalling>HoopyCat's shampoo bottle is as old as me
16:10<Peng_>Or even just a bridge 20 feet up.
16:10*SelfishMan suddenly feels old
16:10<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: a most satisfying grocery store:
16:10<HoopyCat>mwalling: i'm... older than you?
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16:11<Yaakov>HoopyCat: You are as old as dirt.
16:11<mwalling>HoopyCat: aparently
16:11<HoopyCat>mwalling: i'll give you until 3 to get off my lawn, you fscking punk
16:12<mwalling>its 1612
16:12<HoopyCat>mwalling: no, it's 1.....
16:13<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Hey! He is not an fscking punk! He is an fsck.ext3ing punk!
16:13<TJF>is there a command to save the running apache config to a file?
16:14<HoopyCat>Yaakov: pah, young kids these days with their journaling filesystems. why, back in my day, if you turned off a computer in the middle of a write, you'd have half of milwaukee in /lost+found
16:14<Yaakov>HoopyCat: How old are you?
16:14<tjfontaine>TJF: rm -rf /
16:14<TJF>tjfontaine: that didn't work for me :(
16:14<SelfishMan>TJF: Isn't the apache config loaded from config files?
16:14<HoopyCat>TJF: i don't think so, because i'm not entirely sure it can be modified in memory on the fly...
16:14<HoopyCat>Yaakov: 28
16:14<Yaakov>TJF: The running configuration IS in a file.
16:14<Yaakov>HoopyCat: A mere puppy!
16:14*SelfishMan feels old
16:15<Yaakov>What does that make mwalling?
16:15<Peng_>tjfontaine: Has anybody actually submitted a reason compelling enough to get a cloak?
16:15<SelfishMan>Yaakov: Jailbait?
16:15<TJF>yes but if that file goes bad then what?
16:15<Yaakov>Peng_: caker has one.
16:15<HoopyCat>Yaakov: yeah, i've never had to run to catch a hard drive that's being strategically written to by a group of bored undergrads on a saturday night, so i'm not THAT old
16:15<tjfontaine>Peng_: there is none, it depends on what mood I'm in :)
16:15<Peng_>tjfontaine: Ouch.
16:15<MotoHoss>umm several files... prolly if it's apache2.
16:15<Peng_>Yaakov: Well, those cloaks are different.
16:16<SelfishMan>TJF: Then you are screwed
16:16<mwalling>MotoHoss: no, apache uses 1 file... distros have just started using Include to make it multiple files
16:16<HoopyCat>TJF: well, you do have a backup of the file, right?
16:16<mwalling>cant mod_status dump the config?
16:16<tjfontaine>apache console>show running config
16:16<HoopyCat>format slut0:
16:16<mwalling>tjfontaine: i can has cloak?
16:17<tjfontaine>email and find out :)
16:17<mwalling>too much work
16:17<Peng_>tjfontaine: Are bribes compelling?
16:17<MotoHoss>reg apache? I only use apache2.. and it's been several files for awhile for me...
16:17<tjfontaine>not really
16:17<TJF>HoopyCat: the last backup is from July
16:18<SelfishMan>TJF: SSH logs?
16:18<tjfontaine>20 full backups of total size 295.90GB (prior to pooling and compression),
16:18<tjfontaine>66 incr backups of total size 31.03GB (prior to pooling and compression).
16:18<HoopyCat>TJF: that wasn't that long ago
16:18<HoopyCat>TJF: so what happened to the config file?
16:18<tjfontaine>Pool is 135.71GB comprising 877274 files and 4369 directories (as of 12/22 01:06),
16:18<TJF>HoopyCat: webmin happened
16:19*tjfontaine backs away
16:19<MotoHoss>i do remember my first apache config file though also was much tougher...
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16:20<HoopyCat>TJF: hopefully, it wrote a .bak somewhere before overwriting the original...
16:20<HoopyCat>MotoHoss: i tried to do a /etc/termcap once
16:20<Yaakov>TJF: Having used Webmin for several years I am curious how Webmin could have damaged your configuration. I've never had a single problem.
16:21<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: backuppc looks pretty cool. i think i may well deploy it in these parts.
16:21<TJF>neither have I until now
16:21<SelfishMan>Yaakov: Using webmin to manage config files is like using MS word to create a web page. Sure it will technically work most of the time but nobody deserves that kind of abuse
16:21<MotoHoss>HoopyCat: my condolences.
16:22<Yaakov>SelfishMan: Since I use it regularly and it appears you don't use it at all, your wisdom is lost on me. It has never done and damage to my Apache configration, ever.
16:22<Yaakov>TJF: You don't backup your configuration?
16:22<SelfishMan>I used to use it until I learned just how much it hosed my config
16:23<Yaakov>Eh. Silly.
16:23<SelfishMan>When BIND config files stopped making sense I decided webmin had to go
16:24<Yaakov>Glad that worked out for you, but that isn't Apache.
16:24<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: i don't think webmin has anything to do with BIND config files not making sense. :-)
16:25<Yaakov>Earlier versions of Webmin's BIND module could make a mess, it's true.
16:25<Yaakov>But, as a matter of course, and no matter what method I use to confugre applications, I back up all my configuration files regularly.
16:25<SelfishMan>Apache config files are pretty simple
16:26<HoopyCat>once you get the first site or two down, you can copypasta your way home
16:27<HoopyCat>wooot, final final grade is in
16:27<Yaakov>The reason I like Webmin is that it offers "live documentation". The forms offer almost all the options so I don't have to remember the arcanity of the actual file. I can also teach my staff more easily, and, it does the right thing about applying the changes.
16:27<mwalling>i liked lighttpd's ability to use mysql for vhosts... looked interesting, but request tracker had a dependancy on apache
16:28<TJF>HoopyCat: I've got 3 other servers with the same config but different IPs, I can use that, just looking for the easy button
16:28<HoopyCat>TJF: easy button is a restore from a backup, alas :-/
16:29<bob2>also, debuntu people go install etckeeper right now
16:30<@mikegrb>TJF: get the conf from /proc/$pid/fd/
16:30<@mikegrb>though I doubt it keeps the config files open after parsing them
16:30<@mikegrb>but that may be your only chance
16:31<tjfontaine>attach with GDB
16:31<tjfontaine>dump the config var
16:31<HoopyCat>mine's just open the logs and the various sockets
16:31<mwalling>mine is the same as HoopyCat , but i have /dev/urandom open too
16:32<HoopyCat>mwalling: i don't use /dev/urandom; i get better results with cuil
16:35*caker uses /dev/urmom
16:35*JoeK uses /bin/laden/
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16:43<TJF>mikegrb: doesn't seem to be in there
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16:54<tjfontaine>TJF: watch out for logrotate it may reload your apache
16:54<HoopyCat>"As flames engulfed the plane, Mike Wilson sent his first Tweet even before managing to get off the aircraft, alerting his friends and family to the drama: "Holy f***ing s*** I was just in a plane crash!""
16:56<TJF>tjfontaine: it's so broken i won't load
16:57<Internat>the hell..
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16:58<HoopyCat>Palintheus: nod, i was quoting fox news there
16:58<HoopyCat>as the technology of the story approaches infinity, the amount of correct statements in the article approaches zero
16:59<Palintheus>I like this one
17:00<Palintheus>HAHA "Found out chairman of Continental was on our flight. That's putting your money where your mouth is."
17:01<HoopyCat> <--- the original message
17:01<HoopyCat>c'mon, mike, hold it together; no need for that many typos
17:02<mwalling>Just to clarify, I was NOT tweeting from inside a burning plane. My first tweet wasn't sent until I was safely away from the plane.
17:02<Peng_>Palintheus: (He meant the chairman was on the replacement flight, not the crashy flight.)
17:03<Palintheus>I haven't looked at anything but his feed and that wasn't really clear
17:03<Palintheus>or it's a few later and I skipped it >_>
17:03<Peng_>Yeah, he clarified it later.
17:03<HoopyCat>well, considering the plane had obviously pulled away from the gate, the RF gear on his phone should be de-energized, which'd take a couple pokes to bring up again
17:04<HoopyCat>in fact, 'twas below 10kft, so his phone itself was probably de-energized
17:04<HoopyCat>he might have started turning his phone on while in line for the slide
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17:07<mwalling>his initial tweet was from twitterific
17:07<mwalling>isnt that an OSX app?
17:07<tjfontaine>and iphone
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17:08<mwalling>15 bucks!!!
17:08<HoopyCat>he notes that his macintosh is now most likely slag
17:08<tjfontaine>twitter is such a bizarre system
17:08<mwalling>thats what she said
17:08<tjfontaine>hell you can say more in one irc message
17:09<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: twitter's mobile interface is where it's at
17:09<tjfontaine>I guess
17:09<path->twitter is weird
17:09<HoopyCat>i can't just randomly drop a "i think i need to replace my shoestrings" on IRC from the grocery store
17:09<mwalling>twirssi is the sex
17:09<mwalling>HoopyCat: i can
17:10<tjfontaine>you could if you wanted to
17:10<mwalling>HoopyCat: pssh ftw
17:10<tjfontaine>10 word answers can kill you in politics
17:10<HoopyCat>my cellphone doesn't support anything cool
17:11<Peng_>"twirssi"? Seriously?
17:11<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: i think spaghetti and meatballs is a fine dish too. i yield the remainder of my time to my more verbose colleague from detroit.
17:11<mwalling>Peng_: yes
17:11<Peng_>I registered on Twitter recently. I just follow people and whine about radiation poisoning. And my TV remote. :\
17:12<Peng_>mwalling: Huh.
17:12<mwalling>drudge doesnt have an rss feed, so i subscribe to his twitter rss :)
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17:12<Palintheus>wtf, UPS just pulled up in a fsckin U-Haul
17:12<mwalling>Palintheus: tis the season
17:12<@caker>Palintheus: heh .. they do that all the time here
17:12<HoopyCat>mwalling: you need an RSS feed for [spinning lights] Someone put shit in my pants. Developing... [spinning lights] ? ;-)
17:13<SelfishMan>Hoiday season where they have lots of temp drivers and temp trucks
17:13<mwalling>HoopyCat: something like that
17:13<Palintheus>was the usual guy for this area
17:13*Palintheus shrugs
17:13<HoopyCat>Palintheus: i read recently that they're using bicycles in some situations, too
17:13<mwalling>Palintheus: prolly got the short straw and the newbie took his truck
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17:13<HoopyCat>mwalling: heard from fedex yet, btw?
17:13<Peng_>I read a while ago they're trying nifty things like natural gas-powered trucks.
17:13*mwalling checks
17:14<HoopyCat> On FedEx vehicle for delivery
17:14<HoopyCat>mwalling: punchline: home delivery only delivers tuesday-saturday
17:15<mwalling>i know
17:15<mwalling>i was just about to type "on the vehicle, but theres no driver till tomorrow"
17:16<HoopyCat>mwalling: the whole fedex i'm-sorry-that's-a-different-company thing pisses me off
17:16<tjfontaine>the price of growth
17:17<HoopyCat>mwalling: i realize a series of mergers and acquisitions made fedex what it is today, but why the hell does fedex need to send two different trucks for ground vs. express? c'mon...
17:17<mwalling>i use brown
17:18<tjfontaine>yes, express uses a different priority queue
17:18<tjfontaine>no shared memory
17:18<mwalling>or the postoffice
17:18<HoopyCat>for deliveries, sure, that's cool, but for pickups? *pickups*? can't even use the same waybills
17:18<Xel>HoopyCat - Are you trying to fight the machine again? Haven't you been told enough to cut that out?
17:18<mwalling>hell, the FSCKING POSTOFFICE could have had this package here by now
17:18<tjfontaine>ground -- shortest distance algo, express -- shortest time algo
17:18*HoopyCat powerships Xel
17:18<path->someone at work ordered some memory from crucial.. they sent it out on UPS where it got delivered to USPS and got lost for weeks in the system
17:19<tjfontaine>mwalling: brown ships to the wrong locations in my experience
17:19<mwalling>path-: i thought that was DHL who had the partnership with USPS
17:19<path->apparently it's cool to get one company to pickup and then deliver everything to another company so they can ship it
17:19<HoopyCat>mwalling: they all have partnerships with USPS
17:19<path->it's all a mess i think
17:19<mwalling>i've never had UPS do anything with USPS
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17:20<Xel>I caught UPS and USPS having sex.
17:20<HoopyCat>it's a fairly common thing to drop-ship a pallet-o-crap to the USPS BMC and then have them explode it from there. cheaper for the shipper, and it normally only adds a day.
17:22<tjfontaine>I saw mommy kissing santa claus
17:22<HoopyCat>i saw your daddy kissing santa claus
17:22*tjfontaine takes his tissues and cough drops home from work
17:22<path->so it was so freaking cold this morning that the spring in my door handle didn't release and the door bounced open when i tried to shut it
17:23<SelfishMan>What was santa doing in sisters bed?
17:23<path->rain one day and below zero temps the next suck
17:23<tjfontaine>and 54F by saturday
17:23*path- confused
17:24<HoopyCat>our midweek weather looks to have been forecast using an arpeggiator
17:26<jkwood>Is that like an alligator?
17:27<SelfishMan>Yes, but with square teeth
17:27<jkwood>Ah, so it only eats soy deer.
17:28<path->in celebration of the cold weather, i think i'm going to make some ice cream in hopes there will be some pie to put under it later this week
17:32<mwalling>mail loops suck
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17:45*HoopyCat listens to wife's cellphone chirp as he tests twirssi
17:47<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:47*mwalling suspects mikegrb has a google alert for "cake"
17:48<HoopyCat>who doesn't?
17:48<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:48<HoopyCat>seconds count when there's a cake involved
17:51<jimcooncat>I think you do that just to get mike going lol
17:51<mwalling>i rofl every time mikegrb says lol
17:52<HoopyCat>i, for one, rofl whenever you slackware people lol about cake
17:52<HoopyCat>welp, there's the practical limit :-/
17:52<jkwood>linbot: Not you too!
17:53<mwalling>i thought we were in the great depreassion of 2008!
17:53<jkwood>I thought we were in #linode.
17:54<mwalling>oh yeah
17:54*mwalling retracts
17:54<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
17:54*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
17:54<Peng_>woah! Lucky me.
17:55<linbot>Peng_: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 3, Fremont720 - 15, Fremont1080 - 3, Fremont1440 - 2, Fremont2880 - 2
17:55*linbot slaps jkwood
17:56<encode>mmm summerglau
17:56<Peng_>mmm sticks
17:57<linbot>It's cold enough to test your frosticles outside!
17:57<Peng_>I'm not sure I want to know what "frosticles" are.
17:57<Peng_>Ohnoes, my hands are cold.
17:57<HoopyCat>mwalling: not everyone's in the pooper. those who aren't may well have motivation to refi.
17:58<jkwood>I have viewed my allowance of free articles.
17:58<HoopyCat>mwalling: in fact, i'd say the GDo08 would make refinancing an even more popular option, as $100/mo is $100/mo
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18:21<Yaakov>The termperature here has risen to a balmy 7°F.
18:26<HoopyCat>cat 1, me 0
18:28<straterra>oven 1, cat 0
18:28<Peng_>HoopyCat: What happened?
18:29<HoopyCat>Peng_: we got a claw trimmer, because our sick cat came back from the kitty hospital with nicely trimmed claws and it was *nice*
18:29<HoopyCat>Peng_: so we're trimming bob's paws for the first time, and we're trying to get the angle of attack right... so, i start flipping bob over to immobilize her, and she reaches out and gets my upper lip
18:33<straterra>so..hmm..why don't you declaw?
18:36<HoopyCat>straterra: would YOU like to have your fingertips removed?
18:36<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: he probably would
18:37<straterra>no..and most people dont want the end of their penis skin cut off either
18:37<straterra>but it happens
18:38<straterra>i happen to like pain too :P
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18:51*path- wants to refi his house
18:51*Xel wants a house so that he could refi it.
18:52<path->and i use to try and trim my cats nails when they were younger, but it wasn't worth the trouble
18:52<path->they scratch posts enough that the sheaths come off and they bite them too, so f it
18:52<Peng_>I just whack them with something whenever they scratch me. :D
18:53<path->i've got them pretty well trained to scratch certain things.. when they were really young i put some catnip spray on these scratching posts and they've been at it since
18:54<Peng_>Catnip spray, huh?
18:54<path->who knows, they went crazy over it
18:54<path->i think i left the bottle at my ex's though
18:54<Peng_>I didn't know there was such a thing.
18:55<Peng_>It sounds like it could be put to very evil use.
18:55*BP{k} likes the way Peng_ thinks ;)
18:55<path->most things can be used for good or evil
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18:55<path->a cat that scratches furniture is not helpful
18:56<Peng_>We just use regular catnip. One of our cats /eats/ it. Like, if you put catnip on a scratching pad, he'll just walk up and start munching like it's a bowl.
18:56<path->you have the stuff that is actually a plant that grows?
18:56<path->or the dried stuff?
18:57<path->i don't have any now, but i thought about getting some plants they have at the pet store for cats to munch on
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18:57<Peng_>Dried stuff.
18:57<Peng_>I don't know why we've never gotten the plant things. We've thought about it..
18:58<path->it seems like a neat idea, but the whole plant could be devoured in 5 min
18:59<straterra>i want my cats to smoke pot
18:59<path->then they'll just sit around the house all day and bask in the sun
18:59<jkwood>If I was your cat, I think I would.
18:59<path->oh wait..
18:59<Peng_>Spray catnip on put!
19:00<straterra>i leave my cats alone
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19:01<Peng_>That sounds dangerous.
19:01<HoopyCat>we have a few catnip plants we started from seed
19:01<Peng_>Woah, it's almost Christmas.
19:01<straterra>shut up
19:01<Peng_>I'm still not in the Christmas spirit.
19:01<bob2>straterra: accidental drug use sometimes kills cats
19:01<straterra>im not talking killing them
19:01<straterra>a little pot never hurt anyone
19:01<bob2>and sometimes just leads to amusing articles in the paper about cats that licked coke off dinnerware
19:01<Peng_>I just...don't care. I don't want any presents, I can see my family any time..
19:02<Peng_>Um, anyway.
19:02<jkwood>straterra: <3
19:02<HoopyCat>it's a remarkably hardy plant... during the summer, we'll put the big ol' planters outside and the neighboring strays will curl up in the pots and get so stoned they fall asleep
19:03<Peng_>That sounds awesome.
19:09*Peng_ coughs
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19:31<mwalling>HoopyCat: bear hug... one arm around the front legs, one arm around the back. trick is to do it while cuddling, so the cat never suspects a thing
19:31<mwalling>then have $OTHERPERSON remove a paw and trim
19:35<HoopyCat>mwalling: punk responds well to that (ooh! warm towel! *cuddle*), but bob is... well, she's kinda got more hair and less body than the other cats, so we kinda mis-handle her when trying to do that
19:36<BP{k}>as for the mental side ....
19:36<BP{k}>wow... pastefail \:
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19:39<@caker>I dunno. It sells itself.
19:41<straterra>Hmm..I should SETUP pvgrub
19:41<Peng_>Oh god, shamwow.
19:41<Peng_>That ad is like 5 minutes long!
19:42<Peng_>I wanna get one and chew on it though
19:45<zxvf>my car is broken :(
19:45<straterra>ClamAV is pissing me crashes when encountering the page file
19:45<zxvf>i bought it less than 30 days ago
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20:07<@tasaro>You getting this cameraman?
20:08<res0>caker: i was unimpressed by the shamwow
20:09<res0>but it wasn't demonstrated on carpet when i saw
20:09<@caker>it didn't suck the moisture from your body upon touching it?
20:09<jkwood>That's what she said.
20:09<res0>anhydrous cloth doesn't exist, thank god
20:09<b4>i hate shawmom
20:09<res0>poor shawmom
20:10<HoopyCat>i ordered a shamwow and got three free shawmoms
20:10<HoopyCat>however, instead of shawmom, boxes contained b4mom
20:11*caker wants these:
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20:11<jkwood>So really, you were PROMISED three free shawmoms, but you didn't actually get them.
20:11<b4>https for that
20:11<res0>chef tony's?
20:12<jkwood>caker: You want the man in the chef's hat?
20:12<res0>space-age polymers!
20:12<Peng_>On another subject, Magic Bullet!
20:12<res0>so they're forty years old
20:12<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:12<b4>caker wants the cake
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20:12<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:12<b4>caker, do you hate cake?
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20:17<mwalling>HoopyCat: fedex just left in a penske truck
20:17<b4>fedex > fedora
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20:18<HoopyCat>mwalling: with your delivery, i assume :-)
20:19<mwalling>fscking vira bradly bag
20:19<jkwood>What about viagra?
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20:20<mwalling>jkwood: ask straterra
20:20<jkwood>You bought a bag of viagra from some guy named Bradley?
20:20<b4>Worlds most pointless TV:
20:21<b4>THAT is pointless TV
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20:26<mwalling>Left at front door. Signature Service not requested.
20:28<HoopyCat>you certainly got their signature service
20:28<linbot>New news from forums: Disk I/O rate? in Performance and Tuning <>
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20:54<`James>how do i edit the sudoers list
20:55<mcauser>i seem to be missing the file /proc/io_status
20:55*jkwood offers mcauser a tissue
20:55<tjfontaine>mcauser: because you're not on UML but on XEN
20:56<mcauser>right you are
20:56<mcauser>is there a xen equivilant
20:56<tjfontaine>io_status was a linode specific patch to UML
20:56<tjfontaine>not as such
20:56<HoopyCat>mcauser: the dashboard has a graph that will tell you what you're doing I/O-wise
20:56<tjfontaine>there are various block measures
20:56<res0>when i hear/see Xen i just think of halflife :<
20:57<mcauser>i was hoping to get the info powering the dashboard graphs and copy them to cacti
20:57<tjfontaine>you can use iotop on newer kernels
20:57<tjfontaine>you want to look at how iotop does its work
20:57<mcauser>thanks :)
20:59<tjfontaine>basically it looks at the values in /proc/$pid/io
21:00<mcauser>aww man, where has linux been all my life... (recently converted from vista)
21:02<tjfontaine>also, probably /sys/block/xvda/stat may have metrics you can follow as well
21:03<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: btw, backuppc is love
21:03<jkwood>mcauser: Waiting for you to come to it, probably.
21:03<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: amen.
21:03<tjfontaine>seems to be that layout
21:03<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: it's amazing
21:03<tjfontaine>why can't amanda and/or bacula be as nice
21:04<tjfontaine>ooh read|write_ticks looks sweet
21:05<tjfontaine>time_in_queue more so
21:05<tjfontaine>these would make for very useful munin graphs
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21:30*mwalling looks at munin
21:30*mwalling wonders if his openwrt has enough room to install munin
21:31<HoopyCat>the munin stats-gathering client, perhaps. the munin graph-generating server.... eh, prolly not.
21:31*zxvf wonders if mwalling's openwrt has enough room to install munin
21:31<charlie>does anyone know if Amazon EC2 has persistent storage? (i know this isn't the EC2 channel, but maybe someone knows)
21:31*zxvf wonders what mwalling is wearing
21:31<mwalling>charlie: yeah, i think their TLA for that is EBS or something
21:32<b4>doesn't ec2 cost moeny?
21:32<b4>i wnat free offsite abckups
21:32*zxvf wonders what mwalling would get him for christmas if mwalling was his father and/or lover
21:32<b4>do you knopw of a good free offsite abckup?
21:32<HoopyCat>b4: a PC i found lying on the curb a few months ago
21:32<HoopyCat>zxvf: a ballgag
21:33<b4>i wnat free offsite backups that are't to a home internet conenction
21:33<charlie>b4, no... you can't be a cheapskate and expect to have amazing services available to you
21:33<zxvf>speaking of balls HoopyCat, i wonder if mwalling's balls have eczema
21:33<b4>charlie, i don't need anythign amazing
21:33<b4>i just need something
21:34<charlie>b4, you may as well not make backups, then
21:34<b4>i never make abckups
21:34<zxvf>abckups are your friend
21:34<charlie>hard drives, bandwidth, servers, and colocation cost a lot, and backup services require a lot of them
21:37<jkwood>charlie: You mean S3 perhaps?
21:37<charlie>jkwood, nah, I was just wondering about EC2 for hosting rails apps, but it doesn't look like its very cost effective or friendly at all
21:37<jkwood>Nope. Much better to use a Linode.
21:37<HoopyCat>and no, just because you can go down to wal-mart and get a 2TB Seegate or Maxtaur knockoff drive for $15 doesn't mean internet storage will cost a penny a gig
21:38<mwalling>charlie: the rails rumble were all hosted on linode360s
21:38<charlie>mwalling, yeah, yeah, I'm already a Linode customer :P
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21:38<mwalling>i'm just saying, linodes infrastructure handled that, why not yours?
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21:39<charlie>oh I'm not using high volumes of traffic at all, I was just looking at other sites that could host rails applications and other things
21:39<jkwood>HoopyCat: Please to be sending me one of these 2TB drives for $15?
21:39<HoopyCat>jkwood: i had one, but i went to pick it up and it disintegrated
21:39<b4>HoopyCat, send em 50000 2TB drives for $1
21:39<HoopyCat>jkwood: i now have melamine poisoning
21:39<mwalling>i want to use EC2 for a HTC project, but other then that, i dont see the benefit
21:40<jkwood>Well, then, use kid gloves to get me one and I'll worry about plating it in armor myself.
21:40<b4>i like free services
21:40<b4>yet i have a lindoe
21:40<charlie>mwalling, yeah, it would be great for stuff like that
21:40<HoopyCat>b4: someone's paying for the free coffee at the car dealership
21:41<b4>HoopyCat, true
21:41<b4>gmail just forced me to login
21:41<b4>evil gmail
21:41<b4>still in beta
21:41<jkwood>Chrome is out of beta now.
21:42<charlie>jkwood, please tell me they'd released it for mac os x
21:42<b4>Is linode hhosted on a linode 3095?
21:42<b4>or a linode 7000?
21:42<charlie>b4, linode is hosted on a lot of real servers :P
21:42<charlie>and from what I've heard, they're pretty expensive to make
21:42<b4>the site i mean :P
21:42<path->they said on irc weeks ago, you could search the irc logs
21:43<path->might be month or so now
21:43<jkwood>charlie: Not yet. I read somewhere that they are frantically working on both an OSX and Linux version.
21:44<HoopyCat>bed. g'nite!
21:44<jkwood>And by bed, he of course means "Hot weather lady is on tv."
21:44<charlie>hmm, Linode's new signup form looks vaguely familiar
21:45<charlie>jkwood, ugh =/
21:45<charlie>so strange that it hasn't happened yet
21:45<bd_>path-: The db isn't on a linode at least (I think the webhead is though)
21:45<charlie>apparently sergey brin publically said he was dissapointed and embarassed that the team hadn't come out with a mac version yet.
21:48<Peng_> is totally on a Linode. Dunno about the db.
21:48<b4>but which leverl?
21:48<b4>a non-0public level?
21:48<b4>or a normal level?
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21:49<Internat>i think its a normal public plan.
21:49<b4>whats the latest evrsion of the linux kernel?
21:49<Internat>im sure it was discussed that it was running on either a 360 or a 540\
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21:50<Internat>!google latest linux kernel
21:50<linbot>Internat: Search took 0.10 seconds: The Linux Kernel Archives: <>; Latest Linux kernel releases: <>; Linux HeadQuarters: <>; The Linux Home Page at Linux Online: <>; Linux Online - Linux Kernel Information: <>; Latest Linux kernel release pushes KVM into the (2 more messages)
21:50<linbot>path-: The latest stable kernel is; the latest snapshot of the stable kernel is 2.6.28-rc9-git3; the latest beta kernel is 2.6.28-rc2-mm1.
21:50<Internat>bah! :P
21:50<b4>pacman has an upgerade
21:50-!-tiramaua [] has quit [Quit: quit]
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21:51<b4>otal Download Size: 434.15 MB
21:51<b4>that will take half the night :)<
21:52<b4>stupid FAILdsl
21:53<b4>why does every place have snow exceot where i lvie ><
21:53<jkwood>434 MB for a KERNEL?
21:54<b4>for like
21:54<b4>100 updates
21:54<Peng_>b4: Where do you love?
21:54<Peng_>Heh, live.
21:54<Peng_>Nice typo. :)
21:55<b4>there is snow aroudn where i am
21:55<b4>but i do get a heatwave of 12 degree weather
21:55<Peng_>I'm too far south to ever see snow.
21:55<Nivex>linbot: weather krdu
21:55<Nivex>linbot is made of fail w.r.t. weather :(
21:55<jkwood>Good try there.
21:56<b4>linbot, fail
21:56<Peng_>linbot: botsnack
21:56<linbot>thanks, Peng_!
21:56<b4>linbot, yes it is a valid command
21:56<Peng_>He likes me!
21:56<b4>\<linbot> Error: "yes" is not a valid command.
21:56<b4>linbot, yes it is a valid command
21:56<linbot>b4: And a fine evening to you too.
21:57<Peng_>Is he an infobot? If so, you would have just taught him about "yes it"...
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21:58<Solver>hey linode dns servers are already authorised for the barracuda networks RBL
21:58<linbot>b4: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
21:58<b4>it's a supybot D:
21:58<b4>linbot, yes is yes
21:58<Solver> for those that don't know
21:59<b4>Solver, wtf is that?
21:59<Peng_>He's an *out-of-date* supybot?
21:59<Solver>b4: new RBL. reportedly more effective tham spamhaus
21:59-!-Twayne2 [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:59*Solver just set it up and it has blocked its first spam
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22:00<b4>linbot, whoami
22:00<linbot>b4: I don't recognize you.
22:00<b4>linbot, yes you do
22:00<jkwood>linbot, whoami
22:00<linbot>jkwood: jkwood
22:00<b4>how often does update?
22:01<b4>linbot, whoami
22:01<linbot>b4: b4
22:02<linbot>I don't think i can do this \o/
22:03<linbot>I am old!?
22:03<b4>is there a linbot2?
22:04<b4>libot has the RSS plugin?
22:04<b4>thats how it does the forum stuff i guess
22:04<b4>linbot, cyborgname linode
22:04<b4>linbot, cyborg linode
22:04<linbot>b4: L.I.N.O.D.E.: Lifeform Intended for Nocturnal Observation and Dangerous Exploration
22:05<purrdeta>linbot, cyborg alex
22:05<linbot>purrdeta: A.L.E.X.: Artificial Logical Exploration Xenomorph
22:05<purrdeta>Xenomorph... nice
22:05<b4>linbot, cyborg getw
22:05<linbot>b4: G.E.T.W.: Galactic Exploration and Troubleshooting Worker
22:05<b4>linbot, cyborg gewt
22:05<linbot>b4: G.E.W.T.: Galactic Exploration and Warfare Technician
22:05<HockeyInJune>linbot, cyborg OMGWTFBBQ
22:05<linbot>HockeyInJune: O.M.G.W.T.F.B.B.Q.: Operational Machine Generated for Worldwide Troubleshooting, Forbidden Battle and Basic Questioning
22:05<b4>linbot, cyborg newt
22:05<linbot>b4: N.E.W.T.: Networked Electronic Warfare Technician
22:06<HockeyInJune>Oh man.
22:06<b4>linbot, cyborg WTF
22:06<linbot>b4: W.T.F.: Worker Trained for Fighting
22:06<purrdeta>ok last one from me
22:06<purrdeta>linbot, cyborg marc
22:06<linbot>purrdeta: M.A.R.C.: Mechanical Artificial Repair Construct
22:06<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:06<b4>linbot, cyborg cake
22:06<linbot>b4: C.A.K.E.: Cybernetic Artificial Killing Entity
22:06<Yaakov>linbot: cyborg yaakov
22:06<linbot>Yaakov: Y.A.A.K.O.V.: Ytterbium Artificial Android Keen on Online Violence
22:06<HockeyInJune>linbot, cyborg OMFGGTFOWTFBBQ
22:06<linbot>HockeyInJune: Names can't have more than 10 letters. Please enter another name.
22:06<Solver>what no recursive acronyms?
22:07<HockeyInJune>linbot, cyborg AAAAAAAAAA
22:07<linbot>HockeyInJune: A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.: Artificial Advanced Android Assembled for Accurate Assassination, Adept Analysis and Adamant Astrophysics
22:07<b4>linbot, cyborg ZZZZZZZZZZ
22:07<linbot>b4: Z.Z.Z.Z.Z.Z.Z.Z.Z.Z.: Zeta Zircon Zombie Zoned for Zealous Zoology, Zesty Zapping and Zippy Zymurgy
22:07<Solver>Ytterbium is a real element remember
22:07<HockeyInJune>linbot, cyborg XXXXXXXXXX
22:07<linbot>HockeyInJune: X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.: Xperimental Xtraterrestrial Xenomorph Xperienced in Xpert Xenocide, Xtreme Xecution and Xponential Xcavation
22:07<b4>linbot, cyborg sapphire
22:07<linbot>b4: S.A.P.P.H.I.R.E.: Synthetic Artificial Person Programmed for Hazardous Infiltration and Rational Exploration
22:08<b4>what should i do with a treadmill motor?
22:08<b4>other than use it in a treadmill
22:09<b4>wtf is
22:09<reillyeon>wow, that takes me bac
22:09<jtaji>yeah to 1992
22:09<b4>linbot, cyborg linbot
22:09<linbot>b4: L.I.N.B.O.T.: Lifeform Intended for Nocturnal Battle and Online Troubleshooting
22:10<b4>the last part fits^^^
22:10<reillyeon>linbot, cyborg perl
22:10<linbot>reillyeon: P.E.R.L.: Positronic Electronic Repair Lifeform
22:10<jtaji>what's with the wriggling worm next to the phone number?!
22:10<b4>linbot, bug
22:11<b4>RSS is fun
22:11<b4>!rss chairs 1
22:11<linbot>b4: Delivered <>
22:12<b4>!rss slashdot 1
22:12<linbot>b4: Not All Cores Are Created Equal <>
22:14<b4>is RSS add admin only?
22:15<b4>linbot, planetgreb 1
22:15<linbot>b4: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:15<HockeyInJune>Well, anyway, the reason I stopped by was that my server's sshd conked out again. It's the same problem we had a month or two back where we couldn't even log into the AJAX shell, if you remember, caker. However, last time it happened to the whole li36-* block, this time my li36-142 is still working whereas my li36-54 is down. Any information is appreciated, I'll be around.
22:15<b4>linbot, stuff
22:15<linbot>b4: Error
22:16<b4>i like errors
22:18*linbot /ignore b4
22:19*linbot /kick b4
22:19<mwalling>wow... i'm pulling from at 6 K/s
22:19<mwalling>to my linode
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22:21<b4>i'd probably get that on my home conenction
22:22<b4>ive gotten that using a debian mirror
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22:23<b4>How often does frefresh/update?
22:24<b4>" Last update: December 23, 2008 03:21 AM"
22:24<b4> updated tomorrow.
22:25<b4>or 3 minutes ago
22:32<Deviation>yeah its that fast
22:32<Deviation>is ee your update b4
22:33<b4>i need to make it more popoular
22:33<b4>slashdot would be pointless
22:40<Deviation>spelled server wrong ;-)
22:40<Deviation>serevr ?
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23:10<zxvf>what is the terminal in kde called?
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