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---Logopened Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 2009
---Daychanged Thu Jan 01 2009
00:00<caker>poor guy
00:00<RockerMONO>HAPPY NEW YEAR!
00:00<caker>Day changed to 01 Jan 2009 <-- GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:00<jkwood>Happy new year, caker.
00:00<Huru>Happy new year
00:00*caker kisses #linode
00:00<path->happy new year! :)
00:00<jbronson>HAPPY NEW YEAR
00:00<b4>http://mostlynothing.co.cc/2009/01/01/happy-new-year/
00:01<path->you are a blogging maniac
00:01<exor674>scheduled post nyah :P
00:01<Bdragon>Hostname: dialer - OS: Linux 2.4.29 - Processes: 36 - Uptime: 40 days, 12:09 - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 68320k / 126552k - Disk Usage: 949M / 3.5G
00:01<path->heh
00:02<mwalling>jkwood: they're all UTF-8
00:02<b4>exor674, that was NOT scheduled :P
00:02<caker>I just can't watch Dick Clark like this .. breaks my heart
00:02<Bdragon>Still got an hour here...
00:02<jbronson>yea agree i guess im getting old
00:02-!-mode/#linode [+o caker] by ChanServ
00:03-!-dmadole1 [~David_Mad@d-208-103-64-64.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #linode
00:03<Nevyn>Bdragon: same here
00:04<jkwood>mwalling: Ah... Hmm...
00:05<b4>[b4@Tranquillity ~]$ date -u
00:05<b4>Thu Jan 1 07:59:52 UTC 2009
00:05<b4>UTC is off :S
00:06<b4{linode}>what is the actual UTC time?
00:06-!-b4{linode} [~roflfail@i.am.mostlynothing.co.cc] has quit [Quit: [ipod]!]
00:06<path->my ata is putting the right time on my phone :)
00:06<path->Thu Jan 1 05:06:25 UTC 2009
00:06<Huru>huru@gamergrid:~$ date -u
00:06<Huru>Thu Jan 1 05:05:53 UTC 2009
00:06<Huru>;O
00:07<b4>i have incorrect UTC time =(
00:07<path->on your linode?
00:07<b4>http://www.google.com/
00:07<b4>path-, desktop
00:08<jkwood>I'll have to ask him if he pops in before I go to bed (which is possible, I suppose.)
00:08<path->ntp
00:08<b4>path-, http://p.linode.com/1932
00:09<mwalling>jkwood: nvm... i realize whats wrong
00:09<path->b4, you have ntpd running?
00:09<b4>path-, yup
00:10-!-dmadole1 [~David_Mad@d-208-103-64-64.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
00:10<b4>fixed
00:10<b4>needed to start ntpdate
00:10<mwalling>jkwood: i was 404ing on -12.1/testing/, and it obviously isnt a bz2 file then
00:10<Huru>The current time in New Zealand is 6:10PM Date: 01/01/2009
00:11<Huru>you guys only just get new years?
00:11<Huru>Mines almost finished
00:11<@mikegrb>lolz
00:11<Huru>lol
00:11<b4>sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jan 1 00:02:57 2009
00:11<jkwood>Hmm... Interesting.
00:11<mwalling>jkwood: better question:
00:12<mwalling>jkwood: why does anorien not have a -12.1/testing/ ?
00:12<@mikegrb>lolz
00:12<b4>lol
00:12<b4>my uptime hit 25 days and 12 hours at midnight
00:12<b4>well
00:12<Huru>b4: feel proud?
00:12<b4>it's about 4 minutes behidn though
00:12<b4>Huru, mhm :)
00:13<Huru>tasaro: show him fremonts uptime
00:13<Huru>haha
00:13<Huru>number 17 isnt it?
00:13<Huru>Has like 2 years uptime
00:13<mwalling>Huru: caker's still up...
00:13<Huru>>_>
00:13<path->does uptime roll over?
00:14<@caker>path-: yes... I've done it
00:14<path->512?
00:14<jkwood>Uh... I have no idea.
00:14<b4>at what point doe sit?
00:14<b4>it takes windows 49 days
00:14<path->that's playing dead
00:15<b4>497 days
00:15<b4>it rolls over after 497 days
00:15<smh>b4: do i have to worry about this?
00:15<smh>perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
00:15<smh>perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
00:15<smh> LANGUAGE = (unset),
00:15<smh> LC_ALL = (unset),
00:15<smh> LANG = "en_AU.UTF-8"
00:15<smh> are supported and installed on your system.
00:15<smh>perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
00:16<Peng_>Argh. Stupid locale crap.
00:16<b4>yes
00:16<Peng_>apt-get install locales or whatever.
00:16<b4>sudo dkg-reconfigure locales
00:16<b4>err
00:16<b4>sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
00:16<mwalling>smh: next time use a pastebin
00:16<b4>if that doesn;t work do sudo apt-get install locales first
00:16<smh>k
00:16<@caker>ok -- new year's resolutions everyone?
00:16<b4>i find it funny how my ICR bots RSS reader is now broken
00:17<b4>caker, mine will eb fail less
00:17<@caker><-- attend gym; lose my gut; get buff; eat healthy
00:17<Huru><-- gain gut; eat junk food; sleep
00:17<Huru>love life
00:17<@mikegrb>lolz
00:17<Huru>lol
00:18<Nevyn><-- survive
00:18<jkwood><-- finally get the girl
00:18<smh>it says that please check that your locale settins are supported and installed on your system
00:18<taupehat>ah, billing day
00:18<taupehat>my resolution is get more organized
00:18<b4><-- Not masshighlight yourself with a supybot tryign to fix RSS announcements
00:18<Peng_>apt-get install language-pack-en?
00:18<taupehat>I've tried losing weight before
00:18<Peng_>Or -base at least?
00:19<taupehat>I gained weight
00:19<b4>wait
00:19<b4>we get billed today?
00:19<taupehat>fortunately, while I can get fatter, I cannot possibly get any less organized
00:19<taupehat>b4: I just got my invoice email
00:19<b4>i didn't
00:19<Huru>mm
00:19<taupehat>b4: that's because you're kickbanned
00:19<Huru>I dont see "Pay Now" yet
00:20<Bdragon>Heh, this is my big one
00:20<taupehat>eh caker you guys doing anything with twitter?
00:20<@caker>4 days until my birthday. Still enough time to get my presents in the mail!
00:20<Bdragon>Total Due: $1,426.58
00:20<taupehat>I'd love a server reboot notification kind of thingy
00:21<@mikegrb>lolz
00:21<Huru>Bdragon: Woah, how many servers do you own? lol
00:21<b4>hm
00:21<@mikegrb>roflz
00:21<taupehat>rofl
00:21<@mikegrb>mmm cake
00:21<taupehat>cake
00:21<b4>is tehre a maintenance/status twitetr feed I can follow?
00:21<Bdragon>I switched my main to 24 month :P
00:21<taupehat>exactly what b4 said
00:21*jkwood waits for all his monthly emails to show up
00:21<@caker>b4: no, just the forums rss
00:21<Huru>caker: Is payments automatic?
00:21<Huru>Or manuel
00:21<Huru>*manual
00:21<taupehat>caker: I'd love to see it twitted for a whole bunch of reasons, the biggest being twitterberry
00:21<Huru>I cant remember
00:22<@caker>Huru: auto
00:22<taupehat>s/twitted/tweeted
00:22<Huru>mmph
00:22<b4>Is tehre a twitetr bot availble that can make tweets from an RSS feed?
00:22<@caker>taupehat: ok, we'll look into that
00:22*jkwood is surrounded by twits
00:22-!-path- [~path@some.obfusticated.net] has quit [Quit: brb]
00:22<taupehat>http://twitterfeed.com/
00:22<Bdragon>Hope it goes through, haven't tried on this card yet. (Switched because the other one was a debit card and as such had daily limits)
00:22<@caker>we haz new payment gateway
00:22<taupehat>that last URL is for caker and b4
00:22<mwalling>caker: that mean new merchant id?
00:22<Huru>payment gateway?
00:22<b4>I can set that up...
00:23<@caker>mwalling: I think so, yes :)
00:23<mwalling>fuck
00:23<@caker>heh
00:23<taupehat>b4: let linode set it up m8
00:23<Huru>payment just went through
00:23-!-phennessy [~path@some.obfusticated.net] has joined #linode
00:23<Bdragon>Is taking longer, used to seeing the two mails beside each other :P
00:23<taupehat>I bet there are a couple of linux daemons that can do it too
00:23<Huru>Here's to another month caker.
00:23<b4>taupehat, I could get a temporary one setup!
00:23<@caker>Bdragon: yeah, it's split up now
00:23<taupehat>heh
00:23<taupehat>b4: just don't use linode as the twitter username because that's the one I want to follow
00:23<@caker>b4: setup isn't a verb, btw
00:24<mwalling>caker: non-swiped transactions shouldnt be allowed on my debit, ecept for merchants i white list
00:24<mwalling>:(
00:24<praetorian>go go visa/mastercard/amex
00:24<b4>taupehat, ok
00:24<@caker>mwalling: is it by name, or some crazy merchant number?
00:24<praetorian>(/diners)
00:24<taupehat>mwalling: NCP transactions are weird
00:24<taupehat>they might push it through anyhow
00:24<mwalling>caker: i tell $BANK name, they look up merchant number
00:24<Bdragon>I've never had trouble using my visa debit anywhere, but am phasing it out now that I have a "real" card...
00:24<@caker>mwalling: ok .. same name, new merchant account
00:24<mwalling>maybe a human will see it
00:25<praetorian>then we're all doomed
00:25<mwalling>i do that for security... i'm paranoid about my debit card
00:25<b4>hwo doe slinode-status sound?
00:25<Bdragon>b4 typing fail
00:25<b4>linode_status ?
00:25<praetorian>sounds fail
00:25<b4>linodestatus ?
00:25-!-phennessy [~path@some.obfusticated.net] has quit []
00:25-!-phennessy [~path@some.obfusticated.net] has joined #linode
00:26<@caker>b4: let us register it, kthx
00:26<b4>caker, k
00:26<mwalling>caker: ping me if you dont get paid, kthx?
00:26<@caker>yar
00:26*mwalling doesnt know where i stand in the queue for the processor
00:26<b4>0.o
00:27-!-dmadole1 [~David_Mad@d-208-103-64-64.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #linode
00:27<@caker>billing queue is long
00:27<mwalling>s/^/long /
00:27<b4>ntp updates fixed my qwit times
00:27<phennessy>like caker wouldn't hunt you down
00:27<Bdragon>So what's the deal with switching processors anyway? New one take less %s?
00:27<taupehat>huh
00:27<b4>i guarantee Im last
00:28<taupehat>I didn't realize Flickr/Y! supported OpenID
00:28<b4>yahoo won't survive 2008
00:28<b4>2009*
00:28<mwalling>taupehat: google does too
00:28<taupehat>I know
00:28<mwalling>as does live
00:28<taupehat>b4: I know
00:28<taupehat>mwalling: I won't use live, but google is an option
00:30<@caker>Bdragon: biggest reason is because our old cybercash based system was ancient -- it was unaware of CVV
00:30<praetorian>ah, CVV, the field you must enter, but never is checked
00:30<@caker>and, as always, another chance to renegotiate
00:31<Bdragon>Ahh
00:31<taupehat>http://www.linode.com/forums/topics_anywhere.php
00:31<@caker>praetorian: and can't store .. which is curious for recurring transactions
00:31<Bdragon>Well, CVV isn't allowed to be stored, right?
00:31<praetorian>indeed
00:31<mwalling>you dont need it though after you get an authorization from the first transaction i thought
00:33<@caker>the entire thing is a giant scam...
00:33<phennessy>i've gone through 3 credit card replacements and they haven't changed the CVV yet
00:33<@caker>they get 1-3% of all transactions for doing shit, IMNSHO
00:34<phennessy>wow
00:34<Bdragon>Yep
00:34<@caker>that's freaking megabucks across all their merchants. It's disgusting
00:34<phennessy>are you opposed to get paper checks?
00:34<phennessy>is it a pita?
00:34<@caker>phennessy: I've considered it, but yeah -- the PITA factor
00:34<taupehat>caker: You'll have a bit of a fight with the twitterfeed app from what I can see. Might be better off finding a plugin for your forum software
00:34<RockerMONO>CodeBlock: whore
00:35<praetorian>amex/diners charge more cc fee wise
00:35<phennessy>same with discover
00:35<mwalling>at my the resturuant i used to work at, we used to take the CVV because it was cheaper for us then a manual entry... Resturuant Manager used to then (optionally) store it along with the auth code from the first transaction, and use that auth code as the CVV from then on
00:35<CodeBlock>RockerMONO: wtf?
00:35<praetorian>visa/mc is not so bad
00:35*CodeBlock said nothing...
00:35<RockerMONO>CodeBlock: i got bored
00:35<CodeBlock>RockerMONO: do I _know_ you?
00:35<RockerMONO>yes
00:35<CodeBlock>get away from me.
00:35<phennessy>the state gets some crazy deals where it's next to nothing.. i think cause they are based in DE and get tax kickbacks
00:35<CodeBlock>freak.
00:35*CodeBlock /ignores.
00:35<CodeBlock>:P
00:35<CodeBlock>hehe
00:35<@mikegrb>lolz
00:35<RockerMONO>lol
00:36*RockerMONO eats CodeBlock and idles some more
00:36<b4>RockerMONO, you forgot a 0
00:36<RockerMONO>b4: um....
00:36<RockerMONO>stfu
00:36<CodeBlock>what he said...
00:36<CodeBlock>(rockermono)
00:36<jkwood>St. Fu, patron saint of ninjas.
00:37<jkwood>And http://projectstfu.com
00:37<RockerMONO>haha
00:37<taupehat>children...
00:37<b4>haha
00:37<jkwood>Hmm... that's a good idea.
00:37<Bdragon>So how's that queue lookin? I still owe moneys...
00:37<b4>billign just billed me a bill
00:38<Huru>so?
00:38<@mikegrb>lolz
00:38<Huru>lol
00:38<taupehat>billmaker, billmaker, make me a bill
00:38<taupehat>make me a bill to pay for my ills
00:38*taupehat runs
00:38<b4>it's 9:38 PM...
00:38<b4>stupid FAIILclock
00:39<mwalling>b4: it is some where
00:39<mwalling>just not in ohio
00:40<praetorian>5 hours till 9:38
00:40<smh>where do i go to set the ns on linode?
00:41<mwalling>smh: for which way?
00:41<b4>smh, /etc/resolv.conf
00:41<taupehat>goddamn rednecks are jerkin off their guns here
00:41<mwalling>smh: you want linode to host dns for your domains, or do you want someone to look up dns records for you?
00:41<taupehat>I hate it here during NYE and 4th of july
00:41<phennessy>everyone in my neighborhood had fireworks
00:41<taupehat>always regard it as fair luck that nobody gets shot by accident
00:41<smh>i've set the nameservers on my registrar to linode
00:42<smh>and i've added my domains under the dns of linode
00:42<mwalling>ns[1234].linode.com
00:42<phennessy>but they get the big ones you're not supposed to have at home
00:42<smh>however it's pointing the www and mail etc to a private ip
00:42<taupehat>the "fireworks" here consists of 30-06 rifles, shotties, and miscellanious handguns
00:42*RockerMONO waves to the crazy people and goes :P
00:42<taupehat>it's a fracking blast
00:42<smh>not the eth0 ip
00:42<phennessy>you need to edit the dns zone again
00:42<taupehat>especially the long guns since those can go parabolic and be lethal from miles away
00:42<mwalling>phennessy: go back to path-, you're comfusing me (also, you're pink... path- is set to green in nickcolor.pl
00:42<phennessy>it asks which ip you want to use
00:42<taupehat>hicks == morons
00:43<Bdragon>Shooting guns into the air is irresponsible.
00:43<phennessy>mwalling: too late.. already registered and made a cert and deleted the old ones
00:43<mwalling>phennessy: damn you
00:43<Bdragon>Always make sure there's a hill behind what cher shootin
00:43<phennessy>it's a new year and a new me
00:43<phennessy>:)
00:43<b4>!download
00:43<linbot>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636
00:44<taupehat>pow pow pow
00:45<Bdragon>no more path-?
00:45<Peng_>We forgot to order the new 2009 model path-.
00:45<phennessy>no mo
00:45<Bdragon>So, re: the billing, how long can I expect it to take before I start worrying, anyway?
00:45<checkers>path- 2.0?
00:46-!-mohney [~mohney@71-87-216-74.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #linode
00:46<smh>when i try to put that in it says # Invalid IPv4 or IPv6 address.
00:46<phennessy>i'd prefer path, but it's taken and the guy hasn't left for months
00:46<phennessy>so i've given in
00:46<b4>how do you get sysctl to reload the /etc/sysctl.conf file?
00:46<phennessy>tjfontaine wouldn't delete his registration
00:48<Bdragon>happy mailman day
00:48<Bdragon>mailman-owner@* loves me.
00:48<b4>wtf
00:48<b4>i just recieved data at about 1000kb/s
00:49-!-mode/#linode [-q *!*@c-76-127-209-26.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by FloodServ
00:49<@mikegrb>roflz
00:49<checkers>rofl
00:49<jkwood>Aw...
00:49<Bdragon>Hmm, that seems awfully low.
00:49<b4>on my desktop
00:49<b4>at about clsoe to 1.5mb/s
00:50<mohney>Hoopy you around?
00:50<phennessy>heh
00:51<phennessy>!seen HoopyCat
00:51<linbot>phennessy: HoopyCat was last seen in #linode 7 hours, 32 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <HoopyCat> bbl
00:51<Bdragon>how l?
00:51<mohney>i was going to say - he hsa been in here every time i came in haha
00:52<Huru>is there any reason why linode caches so much?
00:53<Peng_>Huru: What?
00:53<mwalling>huh?
00:53<Bdragon>err, ttls and all you mean?
00:53<Huru>my memory seems to be cached
00:53<Huru>on both my linodes
00:53<Peng_>Huru: Linux does that.
00:53<Peng_>Huru: Because RAM is faster than the hard disk.
00:53<Huru>anyway to stop it?
00:53<Bdragon>Oh, that's it being efficient.
00:53<Peng_>Huru: Why would you want to stop it?
00:53<Bdragon>You do NOT want to stop it.
00:53<bd_>Huru: Why? Free memory is wasted memory.
00:54<bd_>that cached memory will be immediately freed if anything needs it
00:54<Bdragon>caching is good.
00:54<bd_>basically linux has a certain percentage of free memory it tries to maintain
00:54<mendel>Huru: Cached memory is "disk stuff stored in RAM", not "RAM swapped out to disk".
00:54<bd_>and until it hits that level, it won't free any cached ram
00:54<Bdragon>ESPECIALLY on a system that's io limited
00:54<b4>eat it.
00:54<checkers>Bdragon: you could say the same thing about not-swapping though
00:55<mwalling>caker: i've got another resolution for you... when our sessions expire, and we get sent to https://www.linode.com/members/index.cfm?redirect=$FOO, can $FOO also include what linode we're working on so that when we log back in we go back to where we were?
00:55<Bdragon>swapping is good, swap thrashing is bad.
00:55<Bdragon>It's all about keeping what's hot hot and what's not not
00:59<b4>100%[====================================>] 95,545,644 75.78M/s
01:00<Bdragon>Happy New Year from this time zone.
01:00<bd_>In the interest of giving everyone enough rope to hang themselves, I'll point out the existence of /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes here :)
01:00<phennessy>Bdragon: happy new year
01:01<checkers>why is that value not 0?
01:01<b4>bdahppy new year
01:01<praetorian>happy birthday
01:01<Bdragon>Still no confirmation :(
01:01<mwalling>Bdragon: long queue is long
01:02<@mikegrb>lolz
01:02<praetorian>lol queue is long
01:02<mwalling>Bdragon: i havent been done yet either
01:02<praetorian>whats your invoice #?
01:02<checkers>http://people.redhat.com/dduval/kernel/min_free_kbytes.html
01:02<mwalling>142663
01:02<Peng_>I'm on annual billing. I won't find out if the merchant change is a problem until like July. :\
01:02<praetorian>well im before you, ah huh
01:02<praetorian>141438
01:02<bd_>checkers: because certain kernel operations need free memory, and can't mess with caches to free some
01:02<bd_>eg, interrupt handlers
01:03<bd_>so the kernel keeps a (small) pool of memory for that purpose
01:03<bd_>note that that's just the minimum - the kernel keeps an additional pool above that to satisfy allocations quickly (the freeing gets pushed to a background thread)
01:03<praetorian>weather: should reach 32 today max
01:03<praetorian>current temp: 34.4
01:04<Bdragon>!weather 57013
01:04<mwalling>weather's broken
01:04<Bdragon>so linbot tells me.
01:04<bd_>checkers: also note that it's theoretically possible to drop below min_free_kbytes - it's just that low-priority allocations are blocked or denied there, and if you're out of swap too it's OOM-killer time
01:05<checkers>sounds fun... I think I'll leave that knob alone :)
01:05<mwalling>ug, manifest parser is teh slow
01:05<b4><gewt> _weather 12345
01:05<b4><Cherri2> gewt: The current temperature in GE Volunteers, Schenectady, New York is 1.9°F (1:05 AM EST on January 01, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -4.0°F. Windchill: 1.4°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).
01:05<mwalling>b4: yes?
01:05<b4>thats odd
01:05<mwalling>i maintain that station
01:05<bd_>checkers: usually best to leave it alone, yes :)
01:05<checkers>i'm glad I can't feel that cold :)
01:05<bd_>it's designed to be self-regulating
01:05<b4>mwalling, really o.0?
01:06<mwalling>yes.
01:06<Bdragon>It's all by design. Turn off overcommit if you wanna be picky about allocation.
01:06<mwalling>i also answer letters to santa
01:06<mwalling>and i've got resume material to boot
01:06<praetorian>reminds me, i should probably fix up my resume
01:06<praetorian>if i can find it
01:06<praetorian>i keep losing the soft copy of it
01:07<praetorian>the worst part? the bulshit you write describing your previous jobs, and make it sound good is lost
01:07<praetorian>that part is so annoying to rewrite
01:08<mwalling>praetorian: i keep mine on my linode ;)
01:08*mwalling also does his in tex, so thats not a good example
01:08<praetorian>see, id probably lose my linode and not be able to find it then
01:08<praetorian>"where did i put that linode this time!"
01:08<praetorian>tbh, i think i have it stored on the family windows pc .. because i think i did it in word last time
01:09<mwalling>ug, slow manifest parser is *SLOW*
01:09<Bdragon>hee hee... http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/
01:09*mwalling has processed over a million files though
01:09<Peng_>"manifest parser"?
01:09<Bdragon>To like, parse manifests and stuff.
01:10<mwalling>Peng_: parses the manifests for the packagesets in slamd64 and load them into a database for searching
01:11<Peng_>mwalling: Oh. Okay. :)
01:11*Bdragon kinda wonders why nobody's thought of just storing package names in EAs...
01:11<mwalling>EAs?
01:11<Peng_>EA?
01:12<Bdragon>Like, so you can see what package a file supposedly belongs to..
01:12<mwalling>Peng_: reinventing http://packages.slackware.it/ for slamd64
01:12<checkers>video game publishers would have nice datbases
01:12<Bdragon>Of course, backing up extended attributes is a PITA...
01:12<phennessy>i thought you just compiled stuff in slackware
01:12<mwalling>phennessy: no, thats genpoo
01:13<phennessy>gosh it looks weird to use another nick
01:13<mwalling>yes
01:13<Bdragon>looks weirder to the rest of us :P
01:13<mwalling>see? you should go back to path-
01:13<phennessy>pathonastick needed to go
01:13<mwalling>nickcolor.pl makes you the same color as hulkhogan / ntfs
01:14<scorche|sh>is this a new-year thing?
01:14<phennessy>yea, pretty much
01:14*praetorian hug arch
01:14<phennessy>and the on the stick thing was annoying me
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01:14<Peng_>I like sticks.
01:14<phennessy>!summer
01:15<phennessy>:/
01:15<scorche|sh>glau
01:15<Bdragon>hee hee
01:15<mwalling>!summerglau
01:15<b4>arch linux
01:15<mwalling>heh, someone prolly zoinked it
01:15<b4>!sumemr
01:15<Bdragon>!hilinbot
01:15<praetorian>: http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk/
01:15<b4>!summer
01:15<linbot>http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk
01:15<praetorian>b4 indeed
01:15<jkwood>!winter
01:15<linbot>It's cold enough to test your frosticles outside!
01:15<Bdragon>Yowza!
01:15<b4>!linbot
01:16<jkwood>That it is, linbot. That it is.
01:16<b4>it's 23 here
01:16<Nevyn>24, 12 windchill here
01:16<phennessy>oo, rain or snow shower tomorrow
01:16<phennessy>i pick snow
01:17<HedgeMage>If only you got to pick :P
01:17<Bdragon>That text is very Jack Handey.
01:18<jkwood>Remember, if women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you Handey.
01:18<mwalling>whats the command PMA calles to get the number of records in the table?
01:18<Bdragon>Hahaha
01:18<Bdragon>Probabaly SELECT COUNT(*) FROM table;
01:19*mwalling is trying to break himself of PMA... needs some of these commands
01:19<mwalling>heh, PackageFiles contains 2388133 rows
01:22<praetorian>Time until 2009: -1 day, 6:37:40.151239
01:22<praetorian>i guess i can delete that now
01:22<Peng_>praetorian: Change it to 2010!
01:23<praetorian>nah
01:23<praetorian>just delete
01:23<praetorian>it was pointless
01:23<checkers>how do you override DHCPd's allocation of nameservers to resolv.conf?
01:23<mwalling>checkers: depends on your distro
01:23<checkers>I added this to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf: supersede domain-name-servers "127.0.0.1";
01:23<checkers>debian lenny 32
01:24<mwalling>checkers: slackware has a way to keep the resolv.conf from the networking init script
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01:25<checkers>oh.. it's also resetting my timezone
01:25<checkers>and there I was thinking I was crazy
01:26<Peng_>dhcpd changes your time zone?
01:26<checkers>it sends a time offset
01:26<smh>checkers can i pm ya for sec, i need help working out the dns?
01:27<checkers>sure, but I might not (be able to) help
01:27<checkers>Peng_: http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl5_dhcpopt.htm
01:27<checkers>time-offset
01:28<Peng_>dhcpd changes your clock?
01:28*Peng_ didn't read the link. :P
01:29<checkers>clock != time-offset
01:31<Peng_>I see. ...What's the point?
01:31<Peng_>(Obviously I don't see well.)
01:32<checkers>try reading?
01:36<praetorian>mwalling: just got my receipt
01:37<Peng_>I...still don't get it. Why does the server or client care what the time offset is?
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01:37<b4{eee}>.
01:37<praetorian>fff
01:37<checkers>Peng_: you mean why does DHCP allow you to send that information?
01:38<Bdragon>Heh, there's all SORTS of stuff you can configure over dhcp.
01:38<Peng_>checkers: Yes. What's it used for?
01:39<praetorian>configuring
01:39<checkers>Peng_: dhcp was originally intended for more than just network configuration
01:39<checkers>or at least more than IP + subnet configuration
01:39<b4{eee}>combine ACPI and DHCP...
01:40<b4{eee}>remote shutdown issues by a router xD
01:40*Bdragon used several special DHCP options when working with hardware x terminals and such...
01:40<b4{eee}>Linux starfire 2.6.27-8-eeepc #1 SMP Sun Nov 16 12:02:12 MST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
01:41<b4{eee}>O_o
01:45<b4{eee}> 01:45:18 up 10:36, 2 users, load average: 1.40, 1.83, 1.53
01:45<b4{eee}>high load
01:45<checkers>not really, for an interactive UMP machine
01:46<bd_>SMP*
01:46<b4{eee}>hm, tue
01:46<b4{eee}>SysInfo: Linux 2.6.27-8-eeepc | Dual Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz 800.000 MHz | Bogomips: 6383.89 | Mem: 683/1001M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 3.48G Free: 0.78G | Procs: 108 | Uptime: 10 hrs 37 mins 51 secs | Load: 2.01 1.92 1.58 | Screen: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) @ 1024x600 (32 bpp) | wlan0: In: 25.70M Out: 1.29M
01:47<Nevyn>Eee 900A?
01:47<b4{eee}>yea
01:47<checkers>i guess it really is just a slow and relatively inefficient processor
01:48<bd_>oh, UP then (not UniMultiProcessor ;)
01:49<Bdragon>100 megaunicycles!
01:49*checkers was thinking it was an eden c7 model
01:51<linbot>New news from forums: overriding DHCP data on debian lenny in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3772>
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02:05<zxvf>i have developed a whole web app today
02:05<zxvf>all by myself
02:06<Peng_>Err, I meant to say "thanks for the DHCP information :)".
02:06<zxvf>thank you for the dhcp Peng_
02:06<zxvf>today all of us gave money to caker.
02:06<zxvf>most o fus
02:06<zxvf>i imagine
02:09<Bdragon>I'm still waiting for mine to go through :-/
02:09<Bdragon>meh.
02:09*Bdragon goes to bed.
02:09<phennessy>i have to wait until april to do that
02:10<b4{eee}>why is the xbox logo a sphere with an X...
02:11<Peng_>Well a sphere with an L woulda been silly.
02:16<exor674>its a xbox, not a lbox :P
02:16<exor674>of course, i guess it should be a box with an x, technically
02:20<jkwood>http://www.gearfuse.com/microsoft-stole-the-xbox-360-from-sony/
02:21<smh>hey guys, can one find out what packages were installed along with a certain package in ubuntu so when you remove that package those packages are removed too
02:21<Peng_>smh: It should do that automatically.
02:21<smh>well i tried to install kate
02:21<smh>it tried to install x
02:21<smh>and it didn't succeed saying the kernel doesn't support something
02:22<smh>then i removed kate
02:22<smh>but under etc
02:22<smh>i still see X11
02:22<Peng_>But is X installed?
02:22<smh>that would suggest more things may have been installed and i don't know about them
02:22<Peng_>Config files will be left behind by default when you uninstall stuff.
02:23<smh>how do i find out how much space a folder is taking on the machine?
02:24<Peng_>smh: man du
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02:25<b4{eee}>bbl bed
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02:25<smh>gotcha
02:25<smh>ty
02:25<Peng_>b4: Good night
02:25<Peng_>Err.
02:25<Peng_>Oh, he quit
02:26<smh>yeah he left without saying bye
02:26<Peng_>"bed" is close to "bye"
02:26<smh>i hope his next year leaves without saying bye to him
02:26<@mikegrb>lolz
02:26<smh>lol
02:26<smh>bed is always close-by
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02:39<zxvf>my linode broked :(
02:39<zxvf>fuck
02:39<zxvf>swapper: page allocation failure.
02:39<zxvf>that's all my shell will tell me
02:40<Peng_>Haha, ps says everything was started in "2008". Very helpful!
02:41<zxvf>:( MY LINODE IS BROKEN :(
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02:43<zxvf_>fuck
02:43-!-jonmills [~jonmills@cpe-024-211-198-093.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #linode
02:43<zxvf_>i am enraged at you linode
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02:43<bd_>zxvf: broke?
02:43<zxvf>yes
02:43<zxvf>it just died
02:43<zxvf>the whole image
02:43<bd_>sounds like you ran out of memory
02:43<zxvf>>:(
02:43<bd_>are you looking at lish?
02:43<zxvf>i was
02:44<zxvf>swapper: page allocation failure. order:0, mode:0x20
02:44<zxvf> [<c05a01c3>] unknown_bootoption+0x0/0x25a
02:44<bd_>hmm, normally it should dump a bunch of output in an OOM
02:44<bd_>go to p.linode.com and paste that output there
02:45<zxvf>http://p.linode.com/1933
02:45<bd_>that the only information there?
02:45<bd_>what kernel version/
02:45<bd_>?
02:46<zxvf>2.6.18
02:46<bd_>hmm
02:46<bd_>I'm thinking that message was probably an old one (that backtrace is usually mostly harmless and just causes a dropped packet)
02:46<bd_>so, hmm
02:46<zxvf>i probably used up all my memory/resources
02:47<bd_>try one of the newer kernels, I guess. or file a ticket if you need urgent assistance from actual staff :)
02:47<zxvf>with my fancy new web app
02:47<bd_>well, by default, OOMs will result in this huge dump on the console
02:47<zxvf>i probably shouldn't be using a linode 360 to do every single thing i ever want to do on a computer ever
02:48<bd_>hmmm
02:48<bd_>zxvf: try sysrq w
02:49<bd_>lish -> Ctrl-A d (to exit to the lish console) -> sysrq w -> hit enter to get back to the console
02:49<bd_>might give some hints if the kernel is still alive at some level
02:49<zxvf>lish is just a screen session?
02:49<zxvf>:o
02:50<bd_>yes, there's the lish command line if you drop out of it
02:50<bd_>most of the screen commands are disabled for security reasons of course :)
02:50<zxvf>sysrq w does mostly nothing
02:50<bd_>mostly?
02:50<zxvf>absolutely nothing
02:50<bd_>oh. then the kernel died... OOM shouldn't cause that
02:51<bd_>I'd suggest trying .28, really
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02:51<zxvf>yes but it would be downtime to upgrade :/
02:51<bd_>you need to reboot anyway
02:51<zxvf>already did
02:51<bd_>oh nevermind then
02:51<bd_>if it happens again in that case
02:51<zxvf>oh so that sysrq thing
02:51<zxvf>wouldn't do anything
02:51<zxvf>yes
02:51<zxvf>i cannot afford downtime i have a busy linode
02:51<zxvf>BUSY BUSY BUSY
02:51<zxvf>with things
02:51<bd_>well yeah, sysrq w won't do anything useful if you're already rebooted :)
02:51<zxvf>it keeps track of all the mysterious craigslist spam
02:52<Peng_>Wait, what does sysrq w do?
02:52<bd_>Peng_: backtraces any processes in D state
02:52<zxvf>you only use it if your system requires w
02:52<phennessy>sysrq tracks craigslist spam?
02:53<zxvf>no
02:53<zxvf>my linode does
02:53<Peng_>bd_: Oh, cool.
02:54<zxvf>also
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03:05<jonmills>i have a question
03:05<jonmills>i just signed up tonight
03:05<jonmills>am browsing around my vm
03:06<jonmills>i can run ifconfig and see my IP
03:06<jonmills>i can get httpd running
03:06<jonmills>but my browser doesn't show anything on that IP
03:06<jkwood>Which ip?
03:07<jkwood>Also, have you tried a hard refresh? (F5)
03:07<Nevyn>Ctrl+F5 to clear cache
03:07<jonmills>the IP is 75.127.72.185
03:07<jonmills>which CentOS is deriving from dhcp
03:08<Nevyn>pingable, but nothing on 80. running apache2?
03:08<jonmills>oh yes
03:09<jonmills>I can see apache on port 80 in lsof
03:09<jonmills>i mean, which is the deal?
03:09<jonmills>httpd 2835 apache 3u IPv4 8223 TCP li28-185.members.linode.com:http (LISTEN)
03:10<jonmills>it should be displaying the default RHEL html page
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03:10<Nevyn>haven't actually used CentOS...does it run SELinux by default like Fedora?
03:11<jkwood>Interesting... nothing showing up.
03:11<jonmills>you know what, i bet you're right
03:11<jonmills>let me do some checking
03:11<Nevyn>if so, disable and use iptables :P
03:11<Nevyn>"setenforce 0"
03:11<jonmills>yes def.
03:13<jonmills>http://li28-185.members.linode.com/
03:14<jonmills>yes, yes, much better my friend
03:14<jonmills>thanks
03:14<Nevyn>no problem, we run fedora at work so I'm used to the evils of se
03:16<@mikegrb>lolz
03:16<jonmills>LOL i run about 400 RHEL machines at my work, but as we disable SE during kickstart, i've never seen it run before, and it clearly wasn't something i had in mind
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03:16<TwistOfFate>happy new year all
03:18<zxvf>happy new year
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03:22<TwistOfFate>anyone here familiar with fail2ban?
03:23<TwistOfFate>i just wanted to know how it bans ips. ie. does it use iptables? and is the ban perm or temp?
03:23<straterra>iptables
03:25<TwistOfFate>ok
03:25<TwistOfFate>and is it a perm or temp ban?
03:27<zxvf>who wants to write php for me?
03:28<jkwood>BWAHAHAHA
03:29<zxvf>php imap
03:30<jkwood>I wouldn't have the foggiest idea.
03:30<zxvf>i have the foggiest idea
03:31<zxvf>I just don't know how to parse attachments very well
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03:38<Smark>Anyone care to give me a bit of help with setting up SPF records?
03:39<opello>with linode dns or something else?
03:39<Smark>linode dns
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03:39<praetorian>http://www.openspf.org/
03:40<Smark>i know praetorian, i've googled the topic, but I'm still a bit confused
03:40<opello>dunno there -- you know the gist? setup TXT record ... probably something like an advanced record editor or something
03:40<Smark>i know where to input them, im having some trouble forming the correct record itself (syntax and whatnot)
03:41<opello>openspf.org has a wizard
03:41<praetorian>there is a creator on that page i linked.. .yeah :)
03:41<Smark>again, i know
03:41<opello>heh
03:42<Smark>it said "Do any other servers send mail from <my domain>?
03:42<booja>gah at work on new years day
03:42<booja>what a bunch of bullshit
03:42<Smark>i have three domains on my linode
03:42<praetorian>whats your domain?
03:42<res0>it's asking the inverse of that smark
03:42<opello>example.org. IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx -all"
03:42<opello>straight from wikipedia :)
03:43<res0>Smark: you'll set up an SPF record for each domain individually
03:43<Smark>ok, then whats all this other stuff that i'm seeing about mx: and ptr:
03:43<res0>what that's asking is if any other machines are going to send mail from that domain, which is probably no
03:43<praetorian>(other then your mail server)
03:43<Smark>gotcha
03:44<opello>"a mx" is pretty safe, because then your mx can send mail, as can the a record
03:45<Smark>as far as the linode dns manager, what should i put for the name of the TXT record?
03:45<Smark>i assume its not for descriptive purposes
03:45<opello>your domain name, if it's not the content itself
03:47<chesty>how does one test after adding the spf record?
03:48<chesty>and, how would I add gmail to the allowed to send list?
03:48*chesty hasn't read a thing about spf, so I might just keep on ignoring it for now ;)
03:48<praetorian>lasy arse
03:49<Nevyn>do you use google for your mail host?
03:49<exor|zzz>chesty: google apps for domains?
03:49<exor|zzz>add a include:aspmx.googlemail.com after the a
03:49<praetorian>http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=33786
03:50<chesty>i don't use gmail much, but I have set it up so I can send mail from gmail as my other non google apps domain
03:50<Nevyn>then just add the include to the TXT records
03:51<chesty>k, thanks
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04:02<TwistOfFate>cann someone help me out with turning off password auth and using ssh keys?
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04:03<chesty>TwistOfFate: with lish or direct to your host?
04:03<TwistOfFate>direct
04:04<chesty>run something like ssh-keygen -t rsa
04:04<chesty>to general a public/private key pair
04:04<chesty>s/general/generate/
04:05<TwistOfFate>this tutorial i'm reading is talking about adding lines to your shell startup, etc.
04:05<chesty>well, perhaps that's for starting an agent?
04:05<chesty>that's handy, but not a necessary step
04:08<chesty>copy the pub key to your linode .ssh/id_rsa.pub
04:08<chesty>on your linode cat id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
04:09<chesty>chmod 600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
04:10<checkers>eh? why would you copy the public key to two places on the server?
04:10<chesty>it only needs to be in authorized_keys
04:11<chesty>you could use ssh-copy-id instead
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04:12<checkers>or just a clipboard ;)
04:14<chesty>you're welcome to take over if I'm not doing it to your satisfaction
04:15<TwistOfFate>so what's an ssh-agent
04:16<chesty>it's stores your passphrase so you on;y have to type it in once per local session, not every time you ssh
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04:17<TwistOfFate>not sure i understand
04:17<TwistOfFate>i ssh in, do what i need to do.
04:17<TwistOfFate>i don't ssh in multiple times
04:18<chesty>say you log in locally, ssh-agent asks for your ssh passphrase, you give it. then you can ssh to your linode without being prompted for a passphrase
04:18<chesty>you can then log off ssh, and re log on as many times as you want, without using your passphase
04:18<chesty>makes more sense if you're managing 100's of boxes
04:18<checkers>you can protect ssh keys with a password. an ssh-agent stores that password in memory so you don't need to type it in every time you use the key
04:19<TwistOfFate>i see
04:19<TwistOfFate>sounds risky tto me
04:19<chesty>then don't use it
04:20<TwistOfFate>i won't.
04:20<TwistOfFate>ok, well i'll setup these keys now
04:20<TwistOfFate>thanks
04:20<chesty>then you have to disable password login in sshd
04:21<TwistOfFate>yeah. that's just a line in sshd_config right?
04:22<chesty>right
04:24<TwistOfFate>i'm looking at using fail2ban and denyhosts too
04:24<TwistOfFate>and possibly change the port sshd listens on.
04:25<chesty>personally, i chose to limit ssh logins to 2 per minute, it stops all but the sneakiest brute force attempts
04:26<TwistOfFate>i like that idea.
04:26<chesty>the newest brute force attempts only try to log in once every few minutes
04:27<TwistOfFate>should you use fail2ban and denyhosts together, or just one?
04:27<chesty>not sure what denyhosts does
04:27<chesty>fail2ban is popular
04:28<encode>TwistOfFate: no point using both
04:28<TwistOfFate>guess i'll stick with fail2ban then
04:28<TwistOfFate>i haven't installed denyhosts yet
04:29<TwistOfFate>how do i find out if fail2ban is actually banning stuff?
04:29<chopp>I use denyhosts, and it works great. Never tried fail2ban.
04:29<TwistOfFate>does it log all that kind of shit to /var/log/fail2ban.log?
04:30<chesty>one way is to use bad passwords a few times, then get blocked. you can then log in through lish and unblock yourself
04:37<exor|zzz>best way to test non-letheal enforcement systems
04:37<exor|zzz>never test fail2snipershot that way
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04:48<TwistOfFate>what's a good strength for an ssh key?
04:48<TwistOfFate>2048?
04:50<encode>1 million
04:54<exor|zzz>8192
04:54<exor|zzz>?
04:54<exor|zzz>:P
04:54<TwistOfFate>2048 surely is enough
04:55<Peng_>2048 is surely enough, but I think I may have used 4196 just for fun.
04:55<Peng_>Err, 4096.
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05:15<Smark>quick question...
05:15<Smark>why would I be getting this error in mail.log?
05:15<Smark>amavis[5457]: (05457-03) ClamAV-clamd: Can't send to socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl: Transport endpoint is not connected, retrying (1)
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05:26<exor|zzz>clamd died
05:31<checkers>I use pam_abl for blocking ssh login attempts
05:31<TwistOfFate>*sigh*
05:31<TwistOfFate>why does there have to be 15 different programs that do the same thing
05:32<TwistOfFate>i just want one dominant one that everyone uses. it makes the choice easy.
05:32<checkers>TwistOfFate: 1024 is the standard key length for now, I think it will be deprecated in 2010
05:36<chesty>Jan 1 10:59:59 carefree kernel: Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC
05:36<chesty>Jan 1 11:00:32 carefree ntpd[2673]: kernel time sync status change 0001
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05:40<TwistOfFate>your box is called carefree?
05:40<chesty>and?
05:40<TwistOfFate>isn't that the brand name of a tampon product
05:40<chesty>could be
05:41<checkers>haha, what a good naming scheme
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05:44<Peng_>checkers: 2048 is standard on Ubuntu.
05:45<Peng_>(s/standard/the default/)
05:45<checkers>I meant the version as distributed by openbsd
05:45<Peng_>Oh, really. Huh. I wonder why Ubuntu bumped it up?
05:45<checkers>actually openbsd might have increased it too, thinking about it
05:46<guinea-pig>always thinking of the future!
05:46<checkers>in that case, I meant 'standard' as in 'minimum recommended by some security council'
05:48<Peng_>Yeah, the default in the official releases is 2048.
05:48<Peng_>(ref: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ssh-keygen&sektion=1 )
05:53<Peng_>The default was increased from 1024 to 2048 in 4.2 (http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-4.2)
05:56<Peng_>Which was released in, what, about September 2005?
05:57<Peng_>...That wasn't productive.
06:12<Smark>Slowly making progress with Courier IMAP... got it working for the most part... Thunderbird keeps giving me "Unable to open this mailbox"
06:12<Smark>googling says i should have used "maildirmake"
06:12<Smark>which i did
06:13<Smark>any ideas?
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07:13<ella>Ok this is good, I have had 93% CPU load for several hours
07:13<ella>Is this the Lish thing hanging giveng me stress?
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07:20<DephNet[Paul]>ella, not sure, but id say bad if you were not expecting it to be that high
07:20<ella>Well yes I agree bad!
07:20<ella>But I need a creative way of unfreezing my screens console - and rebooting isn't creative :)
07:21<DephNet[Paul]>heh, not sure
07:21<ella>Well that's why we have to find a creative way :) cause if we were sure, we'd just do it!
07:22<ella>NOw there must be a way
07:24<ella>Only time I reboot is when hardware is failing :)
07:27<ella>Gad I'm an idiot just spent ten mins trying to enter the wrong linode password!
07:31<DephNet[Paul]>haha
07:32<DephNet[Paul]>ive done that before
07:32<DephNet[Paul]>well, it wasnt the wrong password
07:32<DephNet[Paul]>it was the password to a different site
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07:56<agentbleubleu>I have made a symlink, but i dont seem to be able to call it from http://pastebin.com/m452e63f3 is this a permissions problem?
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08:07<A-KO>is the actual file set as +x?
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08:09<chesty>also, current directory isn't normally in the path, so ./file might work better than just file
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08:13<TwistOfFate>ummm
08:13<TwistOfFate>can postfix support sieve?
08:13<chesty>ummm, i think sieve is more for imap/pop3
08:14<TwistOfFate>explain chesty
08:17<chesty>it's a way to sort your mail, right? it's been a long time since i played with sieve. perhaps does need to be configured for it. can't recall :(
08:18<chesty>...perhaps postfix...^^^
08:19<TwistOfFate>makes more sense to me that the mta do it
08:19<TwistOfFate>rather than the imap server
08:19<chesty>probably
08:19<TwistOfFate>i mean, you're right. it is supposed to be for the imap server.
08:19<praetorian>whats sieve
08:19<TwistOfFate>but that's weird to me. i mean, when does that filtering occur
08:19<TwistOfFate>when you connect to the imap server and it gives you your mail?
08:19<TwistOfFate>praetorian: sieve.info
08:19<chesty>praetorian: your brains
08:20<praetorian>igoogled it anyway
08:20<TwistOfFate>apparently my imap server of choice (dovecot) has sieve support.
08:21<praetorian>sounds a bit like procmail
08:22<chesty>yes, but not as powerful
08:22<praetorian>oh, i can see why people like it then
08:22<chesty>it's not for people who like lots of lists
08:25<linbot>New news from forums: OpenVPN setup question in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3773>
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08:30<A-KO>I wish MS would boot people out of the win7 beta who go whining on the beta NGs that they weren't the "first" with the build and that "pirates" got the beta build before we did :/
08:30<Clorith>happy new year kids !
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09:06<verheesj>hai thar
09:06<verheesj>Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:06<verheesj>Time to get steaming tbh
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09:07<Clorith>am I the only one that thinks taht's...odd...
09:08<Huru>verheesj: too many exclimation marks can cause seizures
09:08<Huru>not really
09:08<Huru>but you dont need to use that much
09:08<verheesj>Huru: too right!!!!!! :D
09:08<@mikegrb>lolz
09:08<Huru>lol.
09:08<Huru>so did your mum pay for the linodes too?
09:09<verheesj>huh?
09:09<verheesj>i paid for them :S
09:09<N0valyfe>no - he used his sisters credit card :d
09:09<@mikegrb>lolz
09:09<Huru>LOL
09:09<Huru>probably.
09:09<N0valyfe>the usual excuse
09:09<verheesj>wtf yu on about?
09:10<N0valyfe>oh, you know what i'm on about
09:10<verheesj>i dont see how?
09:10<N0valyfe>i'm not going down this road again, jono :D
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09:10<verheesj>plz do
09:10<TimothyA>http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/flow_charts.png my reason for freebsd
09:11<verheesj>go fuck yourself tbh
09:11<verheesj>n0valyfe ^^
09:11<Huru>verheesj: very rude for a younging like yourself.
09:11<praetorian>TimothyA: so what you are saying, is you are still drinking?
09:11<verheesj>I don't give a shit what you think...
09:11<Huru>no cause you cant be assed right?
09:11<verheesj>Freespech tbh
09:12<Huru>spelling helps too
09:12<TimothyA>praetorian; yup
09:12<verheesj>Free speech*
09:12<TimothyA>i break the flow of flowcharts!
09:12<N0valyfe>>.>
09:12<praetorian>if you keep on drinking you end up at openbsd
09:12<verheesj>Huru, tbh, stop acting "e-hard" cos your not :D
09:12<Huru>°[08:55:32]° <verheesj|afk> my ass cant be assed
09:12<Huru>remember that ^?
09:12<praetorian>shh
09:12<verheesj>You cry when I bring your IRC down :D
09:12<TimothyA>praetorian; I'm already having an affair with gentoo
09:12<praetorian>why are you too fighting
09:12<praetorian>two
09:13<praetorian>TimothyA: ah. gentoo-bsd? ;)
09:13<N0valyfe>you've never once brought his IRC down, you've tried your petty mibbit bots and other crap
09:13<verheesj>because Huru is a twat
09:13<praetorian>i had a love affair with gentoo once
09:13<Huru>cry? xD Doubtful - my life doesnt revolve around it.
09:13<verheesj>Your "amazingly coded site" got fucked up
09:13<verheesj>nice lil mysql exploit right there :D
09:13<praetorian>it still has a spot in my heart.. but another owns now
09:13<N0valyfe>oh, the time when you "downloaded files from an sql injection" ?
09:13<verheesj>no
09:14<N0valyfe>don't be silly, i have a years worth of your bullshit in my chat logs
09:14<verheesj>I got the password and decrypted it using MD5 decryption, and guess what? you use the same password :D
09:14<N0valyfe>you even tried to tell me how the backend worked
09:14<N0valyfe>no you didn't..
09:14<verheesj>Yes i did
09:14<verheesj>shal i upload the files?
09:14<Huru>remember
09:14<N0valyfe>do so.
09:14<verheesj>or give u some php source code?
09:14<N0valyfe>yes, please do.
09:14<verheesj>php source code to some of the files?
09:15<verheesj>k 1 sec
09:15<Huru>You thought our whole website was based around an IRC Bot
09:15<Huru>roflmfao
09:15<N0valyfe>yes, PHP SOURCE..
09:15<TimothyA>SAUCE!
09:15<verheesj>wait its on one of my externals
09:15<N0valyfe>aye, the usual crap
09:15<@mikegrb>lolz
09:15<N0valyfe>remember when the time your 9 year old sister walked in on you wanking! lol
09:15<verheesj>what?
09:15<@mikegrb>roflz
09:15<Huru>rofl
09:15<verheesj>i dont have a 9 year old sister
09:15<N0valyfe>i have the chat logs :D you even said
09:16<N0valyfe>however old she is
09:16<verheesj>plz show
09:16<N0valyfe>kk, lemme find
09:16<atula>I have a linode accound that is doing monthly right now and I would like make it into an annual account so I can get the bonus. where do I do that ?
09:16<Nevyn>submit a support ticket
09:16<TimothyA>tickets!
09:16*TimothyA gives atula a ticket
09:16<atula>:D
09:16<atula>okay
09:16<verheesj>I think ur typing it up tbh
09:16<atula>I suppose that's that
09:16<TimothyA>if you don't comply within 3 days, we will send the mob after you
09:17<N0valyfe>typing it up? i'll even show you a screenshot once i've found it
09:17<verheesj>logs are editable..
09:17<N0valyfe>i'll show you the screenshot in my client log viewer too
09:17<verheesj>logs are editable..
09:17<N0valyfe>i've also got logs of us talking about it
09:17<N0valyfe>and laughing about it, and mocking you over it
09:17<TimothyA>grep it, biatch
09:17<N0valyfe>i'm sure others to do ^_^
09:17<A-KO>Would you trolls go somewhere else?
09:17<verheesj>i agree tbh
09:18<TimothyA>i ain't no troll! I am spartacus!
09:18<N0valyfe>[16:18:26] <@err0r> guys the most embarassing time of my life happened the other day - i was having a wank and my 11 year old sister walked in..i was like wtf...shit
09:18<verheesj>err0r?
09:18<TimothyA>who is err0r?
09:18<shubuntu_>guys do you know any control panels that are built in to ubuntu?
09:18<@mikegrb>lolz
09:18<N0valyfe>i'll end this discussion here, yeah.. one of the aliases you used lol
09:18<verheesj>me?
09:18<TimothyA>HOSTNAME AND IP'S!
09:18<@mikegrb>lolz
09:18<Huru>Lol
09:18<TimothyA>and is there a google cache of the logs in this channel?
09:18<A-KO>shubuntu_: none, if you want some sort of control panel you'll need to download and install one yourself. (and probably pay for the better ones)
09:18<shubuntu_>hi mikegrb
09:18<N0valyfe>your deniying the fact that you used that nickname, considering you opered there, with that nickname?
09:18<verheesj>i was oper?
09:19<@mikegrb>lolz
09:19<verheesj>lol
09:19<shubuntu_>well i don't wanna build anything
09:19<shubuntu_>there's ISPConfig and Webmin
09:19<verheesj>ur fucking funny
09:19<shubuntu_>both look ok
09:19<atula>hmmm so the 12 months discount is only money? 10%... not hardware bonus ?
09:19<verheesj>so funny its unreal
09:19<shubuntu_>but you have to build them
09:19<TimothyA>webmin, stay the f*ck away from webmin
09:19<shubuntu_>i want something that can use the deb packaging and automatic resolving
09:19<praetorian>atula: with the 10% you save, you could get more hardware ... :-)
09:19<A-KO>shubuntu_: Linode's a virtual server provider, part of the reason people choose linode over a web hosting service is for the specific ability to build things as they need them.
09:19<TimothyA>oh wait, that's a different package than I was thinking about
09:19<verheesj>gtfo n0valyfe and huru
09:20<atula>praetorian: hehe okay
09:20<Huru>verheesj: I have a right to stay here - You turned it into a flame war not me >_>
09:20<N0valyfe>why don't you just grow up, and stop talking out of your arse then
09:20<verheesj>I will
09:20<verheesj>You didnt have to say all that shit about me?
09:20<N0valyfe>if you don't have anything better to say than troll, i'm ending this conversation >.>
09:21<praetorian>how about them knicks
09:21<verheesj>why couldnt u stfu
09:21<verheesj>cos everywhere u go u cause shit
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09:21<verheesj>if u have noticed i have stayed away from u lot because of that reason
09:21<verheesj>im working on my own project
09:21<N0valyfe>don't be silly, i often idle here, and have never caused trouble once, until today, now be quiet
09:22<verheesj>yes until today, so thats just admitting the fact that your caused the shit in here
09:22<Yaakov>You know, guys, youprobably ought to start a channel for this nonsense and take it out of here. Whatever your issues, they aren't ours and you all look pretty lame. Please cut it out.
09:22<A-KO>Yaakov: they're doing it here just to troll, nothing else.
09:22<A-KO>Just a bunch of script kiddies
09:22<A-KO>notice prior to this all of the spam bots joining
09:22<verheesj>14:06 Huru • verheesj: too many exclimation marks can cause seizures
09:22<verheesj>14:07 Huru • not really
09:22<N0valyfe>you have a nerve to blame spam bots on us
09:22<verheesj>14:07 Huru • but you dont need to use that much
09:23<verheesj>14:07 verheesj • Huru: too right!!!!!! :D
09:23<@mikegrb>lolz
09:23<verheesj>14:07 Huru • lol.
09:23<verheesj>14:07 @mikegrb • lolz
09:23<verheesj>14:07 Huru • so did your mum pay for the linodes too?
09:23<Yaakov>I don't care about their personal issues, but this isn't a good place for it.
09:23<verheesj>14:08 verheesj • huh?
09:23<verheesj>14:08 verheesj • i paid for them :S
09:23<verheesj>14:08 N0valyfe • no - he used his sisters credit card :d
09:23<A-KO>Yaakov: once the irc ops return I'm sure they'll take care of it
09:23<verheesj>see?
09:23<Huru>hey verheesj
09:24<verheesj>hai
09:24<Huru>just shut your trap now - we are way past last year :P
09:24<@mikegrb>lolz
09:24<verheesj>lol true
09:24<verheesj>only 14 hours and 23 mins (my time)
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09:25<Huru>The current time in New Zealand is 3:25AM Date: 02/01/2009
09:25<Three>lulz
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09:26<TimothyA>i blame people!
09:26<TimothyA>I blame them all!
09:26<verheesj>oh here we go
09:27<TimothyA>with all their socializing
09:27<A-KO>Guess you all were too young to get drunk on the new year so you're up here early feeling like trolling.
09:27<TimothyA>they are too damn serious for their own good!
09:27<TimothyA>A-KO; no....I AM DRUNK!
09:27<TimothyA>and going to the shopping mart in a couple of minutes to get a few more bottles of tequila
09:27<Huru>get me some Timothy?
09:28<@mikegrb>lolz
09:28<N0valyfe>s/all/huru/ < it isnt 3 in the morning for all of us, lol
09:28<TimothyA>Huru; can you spare me 400$?
09:28<TimothyA>10:28AM here
09:28<TimothyA>I just woke up
09:28<Huru>buy me the alcohol and i might consider it TimothyA <3
09:28<TimothyA>...
09:28<Three>Huru give people monies? lies!
09:28<TimothyA>the alcohol costs me only 300RD$
09:28<TimothyA>the shipping is that expensive
09:28<Huru>RD?
09:28<Three>I've been offering him sex for money for months
09:28<Huru>Where are you from :o
09:28<verheesj>i see siterose not launched
09:28<TimothyA>Dominican Republic Dollars
09:29<Huru>verheesj: siterose?
09:29<TimothyA>~30 pesos = 1 USD
09:29<verheesj>yes naresh's site Huru
09:29<TimothyA>10$ for a liter bottle of tequila ain't bad
09:29<Huru>oh right
09:30<Huru>yeah but its new years day for him cut him some slack
09:30*TimothyA breaks Huru's hip
09:30<TimothyA>HAL told me to do it!
09:30<TimothyA>anyhow, I need to put on some underpants and pants now
09:30<@mikegrb>lolz
09:30<Huru>lol
09:30<@mikegrb>lolz
09:30<verheesj>lol hes just a liar, stop worshiping him
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09:30<TimothyA>who is a liar?
09:30<N0valyfe>verheesj :D
09:30<TimothyA>am I worshipping someone?
09:31<Huru>verheesj: I'd trust Naresh over you anyday ^_^
09:31*TimothyA checks taskmanager
09:31<verheesj>i didnt say u wouldnt?
09:31<Huru>haha
09:31<Huru>good.
09:31<TimothyA>nope, no worshippin processes running
09:31<Huru>TimothyA we are worshipping linode
09:31<TimothyA>stop met liegen, verheesj :P
09:31<Huru>for anothe year of greatness
09:31<Huru>*another
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09:31<@mikegrb>lolz
09:31<N0valyfe>i wouldn't trust jono as far as i could throw him lol
09:31<TimothyA>xD
09:31<TimothyA>WIN!
09:31<Huru>N0valyfe: I think we won
09:31<TimothyA>200 modems
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09:32<verheesj>TimothyA - Not talking about you
09:32<Huru>Here he is to reck the day
09:32<@mikegrb>lolz
09:32<Three>He's a liar? I lol'd
09:32<Huru>verheesj: We are worshipping linode for another year
09:32<Three>And by He I mean Naresh. Coming from you Jono... the biggest liar ever.
09:32<Huru>how long you been with them?
09:32<verheesj>3 months so far
09:32<Huru>not bad
09:32<Huru>5 for me
09:33<linbot>http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk
09:35<praetorian>so it seems
09:39<Three>So guys, I'm going out with a 14 year old girl from Eastenders :D
09:40<cdlu>Three, I hope you're under 40!
09:41<Three>Yeah I am, but I doubt she is. She's a he and he's 60 year old and likes to fiddle with young boys.
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09:42<@mikegrb>lolz
09:42<N0valyfe>lol
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09:43<TimothyA>goddangit, they forgot to call the taxicab
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10:14<RockerMONO>hi
10:16<reillyeon>hi
10:22<FFEMTcJ>mornin
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11:00<agentbleubleu>im having trouble understanding symlinks. i have created the symlink but when I call it it does not seem to work, http://pastebin.com/m6da29bfc if i pico the file it is empty. but the actual file where the symlink point has content.
11:00<@caker>mmmm, fresh inbox
11:00<mwalling>agentbleubleu: ls -l
11:01<mwalling>oh... you did that...
11:01<agentbleubleu>i used that in the pastbin
11:01<agentbleubleu>yes
11:01<mwalling>what color is the symlink?
11:01<agentbleubleu>red
11:01<HoopyCat>mwalling: gazelle
11:01<mwalling>agentbleubleu: red == bad
11:01<agentbleubleu>black background
11:01<agentbleubleu>red tex
11:02<agentbleubleu>t
11:02<agentbleubleu>ok
11:02<mwalling>agentbleubleu: your symlink is pointing to a non-existant file
11:02<agentbleubleu>ok
11:02<BP{k}>a simple test would have been: ls -l /scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py
11:02<mwalling>BP{k}: colors are easier to understand :)
11:02<agentbleubleu>ah ls: cannot access /scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py: No such file or directory
11:02<agentbleubleu>ok
11:02<BP{k}>mwalling: not before coffee ;)
11:02<agentbleubleu>thanks guys
11:02<BP{k}>mwalling: oh and not before a decent fry up by kethry ;)
11:03<mwalling>BP{k}: stfu.
11:03<BP{k}>hehe
11:03<mwalling>thats not even fair
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11:04<@caker>Moving 135939 messages to Linode Archive
11:04<BP{k}>hmm probably not, but it's still awesome goodness :)
11:04<HoopyCat>we'd have probably had a good holiday morning breakfast today, but one of our cats is sick (5:30am: "Have you seen Punk?" "mmrmfgm, she was on her chair sleeping when I got home at 2am, mrggh"). ah, holidays.
11:13<agentbleubleu>so if i am logged in as a user, and want to create a symlink from the current dir to anther file. This is what i am doing : ln -s /scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py
11:13<agentbleubleu>but this gives the link as in red
11:13<agentbleubleu>what am i doing wrong
11:13<mwalling>11:02 < agentbleubleu> ah ls: cannot access /scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py: No such file or directory
11:14<mwalling>your symlink is fine
11:14<agentbleubleu>hmm
11:14<agentbleubleu>the file is there
11:14<agentbleubleu>from the root
11:15<HoopyCat>agentbleubleu: how do you know it's there?
11:15<agentbleubleu>pico /scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py
11:15<agentbleubleu>opens file
11:15<agentbleubleu>from the base dir
11:15<agentbleubleu>like here
11:15<agentbleubleu>bleu@li27-139:
11:15<agentbleubleu>not here bleu@li27-139:~/projects$
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11:16<agentbleubleu>ah
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11:16<agentbleubleu>somethings wrong its not there now
11:16<agentbleubleu>hmm
11:16<HoopyCat>so you're typing "pico /scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py" and it's giving you the contents of that file, but you're typing "ls /scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py" and it's giving you no-such-file-or-directory?
11:16<agentbleubleu>hm
11:16<agentbleubleu>no just checked again its empty now
11:17<agentbleubleu>i look into it again
11:17<HoopyCat>oh good, that means the laws of physics still apply and the world makes sense
11:17<TimothyA>"please remove your personal jewelry including school rings and wedding bands; this is supposed to be a gritty neighborhood full of crackhouses and you're poor ....you hocked all of your jewelry --for drugs."
11:18<HoopyCat>agentbleubleu: i suspect there's either a typo or a missing part of the path in there somewhere
11:18<agentbleubleu>pico scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py
11:18<agentbleubleu>this works
11:18<agentbleubleu>before i did this pico /scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py
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11:18<HoopyCat>"pico scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py" is completely and totally different than "pico /scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py"
11:19<agentbleubleu>yes
11:19<HoopyCat>agentbleubleu: type "pwd" ... that'll tell you where you are
11:19<agentbleubleu>what does this mean
11:19<agentbleubleu>'pwd
11:19<HoopyCat>Print Working Directory
11:19<agentbleubleu>aha
11:19<agentbleubleu>'/home/bleu
11:20<agentbleubleu>so in the instructions it mentioned make the symlink with "pwd"
11:20<FFEMTcJ>did everyone beat their significant other last night, because based on the calls I ran, that's what your supposed to do on new years
11:20<agentbleubleu>before the link
11:20<HoopyCat>ok, then i bet "pico /home/bleu/scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py" will work, as will creating a symlink with ln -s /home/bleu/scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py :-)
11:20<agentbleubleu>aha
11:20<agentbleubleu>i see
11:20<agentbleubleu>thanks
11:20<agentbleubleu>how do you remove a symlink
11:21<@caker>how do you think?
11:21<SelfishMan>format c: /autotest ?
11:21<agentbleubleu>rm /home/bleu/scrapy/trunk/scrapy/bin/scrapy-admin.py
11:21<@caker>agentbleubleu: good job
11:22<agentbleubleu>that would work?
11:22<@caker>maybe try it and see?
11:22<HoopyCat>agentbleubleu: if the pathname starts with a /, it's an absolute location -- it's like saying "123 Mulberry Street, Pound Ridge NY, USA"... there's exactly one of those. if it doesn't, it's a relative pathname, which means it is relative to where you are. if you're at 122 Mulberry Street and you say "it's the house across the street", it's going to be the same... if, however, you're in Wuthering Heights, NJ, it's not going to be the sam
11:22<HoopyCat>agentbleubleu: i'd probably try rm on the symlink instead of on the target.
11:22<agentbleubleu>ok
11:23<agentbleubleu>caker - 1 point !
11:23<mwalling>is that one point for caker, or one point taken away?
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11:23<agentbleubleu>deducted
11:24<mwalling>if you dont fuck up, you wont learn
11:24<@caker>THINK man, THINK
11:24*HoopyCat locates caker's relatives
11:25<agentbleubleu>-2 points more for caker
11:25<agentbleubleu>hehe
11:25<agentbleubleu>that worked guys thanks
11:25<agentbleubleu>i get it now
11:26<mwalling>take too many points away from caker and he might start replenishing them from your account :P
11:26<agentbleubleu>hehe
11:29<mwalling>caker: so what about my session-expiring idea?
11:29<@caker>it's more complicated than that, but something I'd like to fix
11:29<mwalling>woot
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11:41<b4>I crashed htop >.>
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11:47<mwalling>ha, the cocky college kid didnt get into teh showcase
11:48<b4>!?
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11:51<mwalling>ha, the woman from EBE got a mustang
11:51<phennessy>HoopyCat: i got * working!
11:51<HoopyCat>phennessy: !
11:51<mwalling>SHE PASSED A CAR!
11:52<mwalling>MORON
11:52<@caker>MORAN
11:52<HoopyCat>mwalling's new years resolution: watch TPIR every single day
11:52<mwalling>caker: close enough
11:52<@caker>:>
11:53<mwalling>ha
11:53<@caker>My new year's resolution: 1920-by-1200
11:53<mwalling>she passed up a mustang for a SMART
11:53<mwalling>haha
11:53<mwalling>ha, its the EV SMART ;)
11:53<HoopyCat>we used to have a law firm called Moran & Kufta, but apparently Moran went elsewhere so they're now Valerio & Kufta
11:53<phennessy>smart cars are ugly
11:53<phennessy>we got some around here now
11:54<b4>linbot thought !? was a comman
11:54*b4 slaps linbot
11:54<mwalling>whats a comman?
11:54<b4><linbot> Error: "thought" is not a valid command.
11:54*b4 slaps linbot
11:54<opello>i saw one on the interstate the other day (smart car) seemed strange
11:54<HoopyCat>oddly, they aren't the ones that get stuck in my head most often; that'd be Cellino & Barnes, injury attorneys, call eight-five-four, twenty-twenty
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11:54<mwalling>one of the directors at work has one... let me take it out for lunch one day (hes trusting)...
11:55<HoopyCat>back when my wife was working on the WCC project, we'd arrive at the dropoff loop just about the same time as a smart most days
11:55<mwalling>it reminds me of the Deere 6x4s we had
11:56<HoopyCat>if we could get any possible second car, it'd probably be an EV smart
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11:57<HoopyCat>either that or a ford F150
11:57<b4>wtf
11:57<b4>I have an update to dpkg to install via dpkg...
11:57<mwalling>thats... um... opposites?
11:58<mwalling>caker: i just got that.
11:58<@caker>heh
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11:59<HoopyCat>mwalling: the wife is having a bit of fun driving trucks around at work, although she can't drive the bigger ones
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11:59<HoopyCat>(can't reach gas pedal)
12:00<mwalling>havent had fun until you parallel park a 33' rolling toolbox
12:00<mwalling>http://jonesvillefire.org/app_r373.asp
12:00<mwalling>i'm sure mikegrb would agree
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12:01<HoopyCat>mwalling: do you have to parallel park those? i thought you could just leave the blinky lights on and park it where it'll stop :-)
12:02<mwalling>EVOC we had to parallel park it
12:02<HoopyCat>stop in at the diner to do a, uhh, fire safety inspection of the cheeseburgers
12:02<mwalling>http://jonesvillefire.org/app_eta362372.asp <-- easier to park, its got cameras
12:03<HoopyCat># Two 10' lengths of 6" Hard Suction
12:03<HoopyCat>*fap*
12:04<claviola>:o
12:06*HoopyCat overhears "... and this is your western Arctic weather forecast from Environment Canada..." on the radio
12:08<HoopyCat>http://text.www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?nt-24&unit=m ... glad i didn't hear the actual forecast
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12:17<BP{k}>mwalling: ping.
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12:20<mwalling>pong
12:20<straterra>pongpongpong
12:20<BP{k}>mwalling: http://flickr.com/photos/kethry/3156798196/
12:20<mwalling>NO
12:20<mwalling>YOU ARE TEH EVILZ
12:20<BP{k}>\o/
12:20*mwalling looks anyway
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12:25<mwalling>screw it... computer time is cheap
12:25*mwalling gives up on figuring out how to delete something from his over complicated database and just TRUNCATEs
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12:27<tramtrist>any slack users in here?
12:27<HoopyCat>http://flickr.com/photos/35187594@N00/3155961931/
12:27*HoopyCat annotates recipe with "roll out pizza dough THEN get wibbly drunk"
12:28<mwalling>tramtrist: yes
12:28<HoopyCat>tramtrist: i'd point 'em out but they're under witness protection after seeing an undercover apt deal
12:28<HoopyCat>nevermind, there's mwalling ;-)
12:28<tramtrist>hah
12:29<tramtrist>solid
12:29<tramtrist>anyway .. I'm wondering if any slack users had their CPU spike last night on their server at midnight GMT?
12:29<tramtrist>Y2K9 !!
12:29<tramtrist>bug
12:30<tramtrist>wondering if its my ircd i have running or some other piece of software apart from slackware itself
12:30<mwalling>do you have a cron job set for midnight?
12:30<TimothyA>samsung products have an bug
12:30<tramtrist>no cron jobs
12:30<mendel>leap second bug!
12:30<HoopyCat>huh, how would cron handle a leap second
12:30<TimothyA>when it's 12:00AM and the first day of the year, the machine will turn off
12:30<TimothyA>this happens with most samsung products
12:30<mendel>TimothyA: No, that's the Zune
12:31<mendel>oh, wait
12:31<TimothyA>nope, samsung products as well
12:31<mendel>you're being serious about something else
12:31<mendel>yeah nevermind
12:31<TimothyA>yep
12:31<mendel>i thought i was being a smartass
12:31<mendel>:D
12:31*TimothyA is cereal!
12:31<mwalling>did the zune thing ever get fixed?
12:31<HoopyCat>mwalling: it'll fix itself later today
12:31<mwalling>heh
12:31<HoopyCat>in the "well, it'll take us three days to test an emergency patch anyway, so let's just go ahead and let 'er roll"
12:31<HoopyCat>category
12:32<mendel>Provided you let the battery die, IIRC
12:32<TimothyA>APPLE!
12:32<TimothyA>wait wait...
12:32<TimothyA>when steve dies, who is going to replace the batteries?
12:32<TimothyA>he's the only one who can open the device up and replace it without bricking it
12:32<HoopyCat>tramtrist: my centos box had a spike according to the dashboard
12:32<TimothyA>NOES
12:33<tramtrist>h really
12:33<tramtrist>for how long?
12:33<mwalling>tramtrist: you in dallas?
12:33<tramtrist>yeah
12:33<tramtrist>dallas
12:34*BP{k} blames mwalling
12:34<tramtrist>it actually froze the server
12:34<tramtrist>had to reboot it
12:34<BP{k}>tramtrist: wait .. slackware 12.0.0?
12:34<HoopyCat>tramtrist: oh, a little while; fatter than a spike. maybe 10-15 minutes? oddly, munin doesn't show anything.
12:34<tramtrist>yeah
12:34<BP{k}>and that is #3 now.
12:34<mwalling>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15241#15241 fyi
12:35<tramtrist>thanks BP
12:35<tramtrist>err mwalling
12:35<BP{k}>mwalling: on one of the slackware mailinglists there was another report of slackware-12.0 machines locking up at midnight. .. including rworkmans
12:35<HoopyCat>then again, i kept running like warm butter, so it sounds like you're having a real problem :-)
12:35<tramtrist>i have screenshots from the linode site
12:36<mwalling>BP{k}: orly?
12:36<BP{k}>mwalling: yes.
12:36<mwalling>you ran fine, infact the cpu spike i attribute to me slurping the slamd64 manifests into mysql
12:36<BP{k}>mwalling: I dont run slackware-12.0 ;)
12:37<mwalling>oh, 12.0 not 12.x
12:38<tramtrist>hmmm
12:40<HoopyCat>mwalling: today's alison smith recording of the day: 360-519-5689 (~2 minutes)
12:41<tramtrist>that ftp URL isnt resolving for me from that thread
12:41<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
12:41<tramtrist>ftp://internal.you.dontlike.us/slackware/
12:42<HoopyCat>mwalling: courtesy of karl fife, who appears to have gotten a beefy voiceover gift certificate for christmas
12:42<mwalling>!dns internal.you.dontlike.us
12:42<linbot>mwalling: 192.168.130.100
12:42<tramtrist>thansk
12:42<tramtrist>err wait
12:42<tramtrist>haha
12:42<mwalling>theres also rsync sitting there too
12:43<b4>mwalling, internal to which DC?
12:43<mwalling>12:33 < mwalling> tramtrist: you in dallas?
12:43<HoopyCat>mwalling: ha, shit, i remember why i couldn't resolve that yesterday; i filter out DNS results for RFC1918 IPs unless they're within my select oligarchy of trusted points
12:43<mwalling>b4: it also says in the thread
12:43<b4>I'm in newark D:
12:44<b4>and i run debian
12:44<mwalling>HoopyCat: ah... maybe thats why http://urlx.eu/_MTE0NQ fails too?
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12:46<HoopyCat>b4: there are, therefore, absolutely few things more useless to you than a slackware mirror in dallas. congratulations! you've found the spoon of the steak dinner of your day.
12:47<@caker>har .. compacting my thunderbird folders reclaimed 7GB
12:47<HoopyCat>mwalling: entirely possible... the filtering is intended to help thwart dns rebinding attacks
12:50<mwalling>hmmm, my PSTs are around 20 gigs...
12:51<mwalling>maybe i should clean the shit out of the 2006 ones
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12:55<xyz>hi, is anyone from linode here?
12:56<mwalling>xyz: ops are employees, the rest of us are idlers
12:56<mgoetze>mwalling: boooring, you should have just said "yes" and pasted his query for us :)
12:57<mwalling>and face the wrath of a hung over mikegrb? no thanks
12:57<xyz>well, i just signed up, and received payment receipt and invoice... but my "account is currently pending activation". any ideas?
12:58<mgoetze>hm, that took like 10 seconds in my case
12:58<mwalling>xyz: yeah, a staffer needs to manually review your application
12:59<mwalling>xyz: give it time... someone should contact you with either a thumbs up or a request for more information soon
12:59<xyz>ok, I'll wait... as if I have a choice ;)
13:00<mgoetze>caker said something just 12 minutes ago
13:00<mgoetze>he can't have gotten far :)
13:00<HoopyCat>he's compacting folders in his mail client; he ain't gonna get no e-mail for daaaays
13:01<mgoetze>you mean he only has one instance of thunderbird?
13:01<xyz>so, its gonna be today? nice. first time on linode, so perhaps I'm a bit impatient :)
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13:02<jkwood>Stable connection is stable.
13:02<HoopyCat>xyz: usually, but it is a holiday so technically tomorrow's the next business day :-)
13:02<HoopyCat>what the...
13:02<HoopyCat>stable connection is fine, IRC client is unstable
13:02<mgoetze>the time between entering my credit card data and ssh'ing into my linode was about 2min for, but maybe i just got lucky
13:02<SelfishMan>It might be a holiday but they had no problem running the credit cards today!
13:03<mwalling>mgoetze: then your application didnt get flagged
13:03<xyz>HoopyCat: how long is the new years holiday in US? its 2 days here
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13:03<mgoetze>ah, so xyz is a potential terrorist or soemthing? ;)
13:03<HoopyCat>i have the feeling xyz might be not-in-the-US, so the automatic-approver probably couldn't automatically approve :-)
13:03<SelfishMan>It's only 1PM on New Years Day Linode time
13:04<HoopyCat>xyz: technically one day, although (much like christmas eve) people usually don't work all day on christmas eve
13:04<HoopyCat>err, new year's eve
13:04<xyz>it just got acctivated. thanks :)
13:04<mgoetze>christmas eve is a complete non-holiday in the us?
13:05<HoopyCat>xyz: woohoo!
13:05<HoopyCat>mgoetze: yep
13:05<SelfishMan>mgoetze: Most places around here work full days or damn close to it on christmas eve
13:06<mwalling>the manuufacturing union got it as a holiday for us
13:06<mgoetze>well, i guess it makes a difference that you only get to open your presents on christmas day in the usa
13:06<mgoetze>in germany, christmas is two and a half days off by law
13:06<HoopyCat>my wife's shop closed 3 hours early on christmas eve, which was relatively unexpected but nice. (unfortunately, that was 3 hours without pay, but she worked overtime on saturday which made up for both the early dismissal on christmas eve and not working on christmas day)
13:06<xyz>choosing data center now... is there any preference if most of my traffic is from europe?
13:07<HoopyCat>!download
13:07<linbot>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636
13:07<mgoetze>xyz you probably want newark then
13:07<HoopyCat>xyz: there's a list of big files to download in each datacenter :-)
13:07<SelfishMan>As a municipal worker I had three full days paid for christmas eve and day
13:08<mgoetze>my employer also gives three full days for christmas and half a day on new year's eve
13:08<A-KO>I don't get a christmas bonus
13:08<A-KO>I worked xmas day
13:08<HoopyCat>mwalling: my wife has described her union in words that one would normally associate with convenience-packed meat products and anatomical parts; in short, there are no paid holidays.
13:08<A-KO>I made double for working, but nothing special for christmas
13:09<xyz>my employer gave 8 days for new year and christmas :)
13:09<mgoetze>HoopyCat: tell her to start a new union :P
13:09<HoopyCat>mgoetze: union is paying for her training :-)
13:09<mwalling>HoopyCat: we've got a powerful union. unless they're picketing, we love them (when they picket, the block out the office workers too)
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13:13<HoopyCat>here, there's union shops and non-union shops, and the non-union shops can usually undercut the union shops when bidding on jobs. this creates a bit of a disincentive to make the bargaining agreement TOO expensive
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13:14<b4>=(
13:14<guinea-pig>i think there's a state law about paid holidays in these parts...
13:14<b4>' is an invalid nick
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13:14<info>er
13:14-!-info is now known as ______
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13:15<guinea-pig>...
13:15<mwalling>having fun?
13:15<b4>mwalling, I failed
13:15<mwalling>we know
13:15<guinea-pig>so. weird
13:15<b4>I want the nick peer
13:15<@mikegrb>lolz
13:15<b4>lol
13:16<guinea-pig>my bind appears to be getting requests from a 10.*.*.* IP
13:16<guinea-pig>which makes no sense
13:16<mwalling>guinea-pig: road runner?
13:16<guinea-pig>my linode bind
13:16<mwalling>oh
13:16<b4>!dns local.mostlynothing.co.cc
13:16<linbot>b4: 192.168.134.97
13:17<b4>!dns local.home.mostlynothing.co.cc
13:17<linbot>b4: 192.168.1.105
13:17<b4>yay
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13:52<sillygoose>Do I need two IPs to run a two virtual domains, one SSL and the other normal?
13:52<sillygoose>*to run two virtual domains...
13:52<SelfishMan>no
13:53<phennessy>you only need multiple ips to host multiple ssl sites
13:53<phennessy>to do ip based virtual hosting
13:53<sillygoose>Gotchya, thanks. :)
13:53<phennessy>you can do name based hosting with one ip
13:57<sillygoose>One more for ya... I am switching servers to linode; can I bring my old SSL-certificate over to the new server? (will have the same domain/url)
13:58<phennessy>should be able to
13:58<sillygoose>I wasn't sure because of the whole "server-generated signing/generating" thingamabob
13:59<phennessy>you need the private key and the public one
13:59<sillygoose>Okay, so the server-generated signing request is NOT specific to the server, right?
13:59<sillygoose>(seems strange)
13:59<phennessy>the domain.com.key file is the private key which you generated
14:00<sillygoose>Ahhh
14:00<phennessy>you then used that to make a csr to send to the CA
14:00<phennessy>then they gave you back the .crt file
14:00<phennessy>you really need the .key and .csr file
14:00<phennessy>errrr
14:00<phennessy>you need the .key and .crt file
14:00<@mikegrb>lolz
14:00<sillygoose>LOL, thanks.
14:00<phennessy>you can't use the csr again, but you can generate another one based on your .key file
14:01<sillygoose>This is nerve-racking... don't like switching servers around
14:01<mgoetze>oh, it's fun enough if you have time to do it properly
14:02<phennessy>where are you moving from?
14:02<mgoetze>one time, i got a message like "we are going out of business on the day after tomorrow, please make sure to backup all your data, kthxbye" ... now THAT was not fun
14:02<phennessy>if it's another xen vps, you might be able to copy your entire disk image over
14:03<sillygoose>phennessy: moving my FreeBSD box from ThePlanet to here.
14:03<sillygoose>Switching from FBSD to Debian... waiting anxiously for Lenny.
14:03<mgoetze>here as in a linode hosted at theplanet? ;)
14:03<phennessy>heh
14:03<mgoetze>don't bother waiting, just install lenny now
14:03<@mikegrb>lolz
14:03<sillygoose>LOL, maybe
14:03<phennessy>that is a bit of a change
14:04<sillygoose>The idea is to keep the maintenance to an absolute minimum, since I wear all of the hats. And it sucks.
14:05<sillygoose>So I'll wait for the finaly Lenny.
14:05<sillygoose>*final
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14:05<mgoetze>well, if you install etch now, you'll have to do some maintenance when lenny does get release...
14:06<sillygoose>Think I'm just gonna wait for Lenny. Shouldn't be too long
14:06<mgoetze>that's what YOU think :P
14:06<@mikegrb>lolz
14:06<sillygoose>LOL, I hear yas
14:07<mgoetze>well, if you don't think of june as "too long"... http://blog.venthur.de/2008/12/09/lennys-release-date-iii/
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14:16<b4>i managed to get 10 connections to freenode
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14:44<b4>where can you get free ssl certificates?
14:44<HedgeMage>cacert.org
14:44<DephNet[Paul]>b4, self signed
14:45<b4>thanksl;'
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14:50<DephNet[Paul]>whats the best option to monitor usage on my linode?
14:51<phennessy>usage of what?
14:51<DephNet[Paul]>RAM, network, HDD etc
14:52<phennessy>munin is useful
14:52<phennessy>there is also some scripts on the forum which will display bw usage and whatnot
14:52<phennessy>there are
14:53<DephNet[Paul]>hmm
14:53<DephNet[Paul]>whats MRTG like?
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14:53<phennessy>munin is the new mrtg
14:53<phennessy>mrtg is the old
14:53<DephNet[Paul]>ahh
14:54<DephNet[Paul]>is munin lightweight?
14:54<phennessy>the guy who wrote that, then wrote rrdtool.. but a lot of people don't use rrdtool directly because it has a lot of options and whatnot
14:54<DephNet[Paul]>it looks like i only have 30 or 40MiB left
14:54<phennessy>but munin takes care of that for you
14:54<phennessy>of ram or disk space?
14:54<DephNet[Paul]>RAM
14:54<phennessy>i'm honestly not sure
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14:55<DephNet[Paul]>might consider upgrading my RAM soon
14:55<phennessy>there is a munin-node part i think
14:55<phennessy>and you could run the server part somewhere else (like at home)
14:55<DephNet[Paul]>does munin show HDD usage too?
14:55<phennessy>yea
14:55<DephNet[Paul]>cool
14:55<phennessy>it's all a bunch of graphs
14:56<phennessy>there are some demos on there site
14:56<phennessy>their
14:56<phennessy>i can't think today
14:56<DephNet[Paul]>thats an idea, i have a dev environment in the office so i could do that if possable
14:56<DephNet[Paul]>munin.projects.linpro.no, thats the URL isnt it?
14:57<phennessy>the server collects the data from the clients and adds it to rrd files, which the cgi displays as graphs
14:57<phennessy>yea, sounds right
15:01<mgoetze>"munin is the new mrtg" - thought it's just a frontend?
15:02<phennessy>well rrdtool is the new mrtg really
15:02<phennessy>but i think people commonly use other tools that interface with rrdtool because of it's complexity
15:02<phennessy>such as munin
15:02<DephNet[Paul]>phennessy, i guess, if i do all the work on my local network i *could* use one install of the server with several munin-nodes?
15:02<phennessy>yea
15:03<mgoetze>oh wait, mrtg is just a frontend too...
15:03<mgoetze>ah, no, it isn't
15:03<mgoetze>anyway mrtg and rrdtool are written by the same person :)
15:03<phennessy>yup
15:04<phennessy>rrdtool is the new, mrtg is the old
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15:04*mgoetze has never felt the need for all those graphs, anyway
15:04<phennessy>http://www.cuddletech.com/articles/rrd/index.html
15:06<mgoetze>i have twice taught myself how to use rrd and forgotten again
15:06<mgoetze>it's not really that hard, what is is collecting the data
15:06<mgoetze>like snmp... ugh...
15:07<mgoetze>i just can't get myself to like this whole OID concept used in snmp and ldap
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15:24<@caker>oh no .. the shamwow guy has a new product
15:24<@caker>slapchop
15:24<@caker>"you're gonna love my nuts" ... wtf?
15:24<mgoetze>shamwhat guy?
15:25<Feds>Shamwow!
15:25<@caker>shamWOW
15:26<@mikegrb>lolz
15:26<HedgeMage>lol
15:26<Feds>https://www.shamwow.com/ver4/index.asp
15:27<xyz>can anyone recomend a cheap, trustworthy .info domain registry?
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15:31<DephNet[Paul]>xyz, namecheap.com
15:32<DephNet[Paul]>i think they do 99c .info's
15:32<xyz>99c per domain!?
15:33<DephNet[Paul]>i think so
15:33<DephNet[Paul]>just finding out for you
15:33<mgoetze>per month, i presume?
15:34<DephNet[Paul]>sorry its $2.98 a year
15:34<xyz>do you know if thats only for domain registration or do you have to buy something else, too - like hosting?
15:34<DephNet[Paul]>mgoetze, no, they did have a special of 99c a year
15:34<DephNet[Paul]>xyz, they do hosting, but you dont have to get hosting from them
15:35<DephNet[Paul]>i get all of my domains from Namecheap
15:38<xyz>tnx, i found it. i also see godaddy has a sale... 99c per .info. i'm not used to those prices and i'm a bit scared there are hidden costs
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15:40*mgoetze has read bad things about godaddy
15:40<straterra>thats why i like 1and1
15:41*mgoetze won't comment, since he works for a direct competitor of 1and1 ;)
15:42<b4>inspircd can sue a lot pf ram
15:42<b4>use*
15:42<b4>I spawned 200 copies of a bot onto my test net, and inspn used like 30-50MB
15:43<straterra>1and1 isnt bad
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15:53<zxvf>1and1 is horrible
15:53<zxvf>i'm still paying for them
15:53<zxvf>since i siwtched to my linode
15:53<zxvf>because i can't figure out how to make them stop billing me
15:53<SelfishMan>drop the card
15:53<mgoetze>tell your bank not to give them money?
15:54<zxvf>yeah but hten i'd also have to transfer my domain registrations
15:54<SelfishMan>Why?
15:56<phennessy>1and1 does domain registration
15:56<phennessy>they want to bundle it with their hosting
15:56<SelfishMan>Oh, bundled, yeah that will screw you
15:56<phennessy>transfer the domain then tell them to f off
15:57<DephNet[Paul]>oh im really hating PlusNet at the moment
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16:04<linbot>New news from forums: CPU Usage by averaging 395.3% for the last 2 hours ---eek in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3774>
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16:12<eld101>you around selfish?
16:12<SelfishMan>eh?
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16:12<SelfishMan>I didn't want to talk to them either.
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16:13<eld101>did u see my post with the plots?
16:13<SelfishMan>eh?
16:13<eld101>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=18091#18091
16:14<SelfishMan>How much RAM does the node have?
16:14<eld101>just 360
16:14<eld101>isnt doing much though...
16:15<SelfishMan>Yeah, you OOMed last night. Your swap maxed out and your memory maxed out.
16:15<SelfishMan>What kernel?
16:15<eld101>hrmm
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16:16<eld101>where can I see this?
16:17<SelfishMan>Linode manager under the profile config
16:17<eld101>(Latest 2.6 Series (2.6.18.8-linode10))
16:18<SelfishMan>Pastebin the output of 'free' on your node?
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16:19*mgoetze prefers 'free -m'
16:19<SelfishMan>I want to see the raw bytes
16:19<eld101>http://p.linode.com/1934
16:20<SelfishMan>Can you pastebin the output of ps aux too?
16:21<SelfishMan>You are using half your swap and don't have a whole lot of available memory so upgrading to a 540 would be a good thing
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16:21<eld101>http://p.linode.com/1935
16:22<eld101>Ive gotta see why its so high....
16:22<eld101>I dont think it should be
16:22<guinea-pig>what's wrl?
16:22<SelfishMan>What is pid 6645?
16:22<eld101>what I think the problem is
16:23<eld101>im trying to determine if that is my issue
16:23<eld101>and its looking like it is
16:23<eld101>its a ping uptime script
16:23<SelfishMan>but what is it?
16:23<guinea-pig>sorry, i should ask *who* is wrl
16:23<SelfishMan>does it run under cron or what?
16:23<eld101>my roomate :)
16:23<eld101>I tihnk its actually all run from the script...
16:23<bliblok>It's using way to much ram for a ping uptime script.
16:24<guinea-pig>looks like it's a backed up crontab
16:24<SelfishMan>Well you have 4 of them burning about 3/4 of your RAM
16:24<eld101>ic
16:24<eld101>ill look into that
16:24<guinea-pig>and yeah. way too much for just a ping
16:24<eld101>its not "a" ping
16:24<@mikegrb>lolz
16:24<eld101>its hundreds lol
16:25<guinea-pig>what in gods name is it pinging?
16:25<eld101>I tihnk I figured out what the trouble is
16:25<eld101>you will all see when its done, I promise
16:25<SelfishMan>guinea-pig: urmom?
16:25<eld101>oooo snap
16:25<SelfishMan>Sorry, couldn't resist
16:25<@mikegrb>lolz
16:25<eld101>lol
16:27<eld101>thanks guys
16:27<SelfishMan>sure
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16:42*mgoetze looks at linode forums and is disgusted by some of the stupidity exhibited there
16:43<straterra>s/linode\ forums/earth/
16:43<mgoetze>yeah, that too
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16:49<Solver>straterra: cute :)
16:50<exor674>straterra: don't think you need to escape spaces in regexps
16:52<HoopyCat>oh yeah, baby. openvpn is in the house.
16:52<Solver>openvpn rocks
16:52*Solver uses it every day at home and at work
16:53<Solver>really
16:53<HoopyCat>using it to tunnel ipv6 from my linode to home
16:53<Solver>infact one of my linodes is an openvpn server
16:53<straterra>oh?
16:53<straterra>I use OpenVPN
16:53<straterra>HoopyCat: did I tell you what the vista/radvd issue was/
16:53<HoopyCat>straterra: nope
16:53<straterra>?^
16:53<b4>wtf is radvd
16:54<HoopyCat>b4: a daemon that allows you to use google to quickly find answers to questions
16:54<straterra>The Vista firewall blocks ICMPv6 by default..but not totally
16:54<HoopyCat>straterra: bahahaha
16:54<straterra>It would see the first advertisement and configure itself
16:54<straterra>BUT..it would block any further ones
16:54<straterra>So..after the initial advertisement would expire, ipv6 routing would break
16:55<HoopyCat>straterra: that is awesome
16:55<straterra>I had ICMP-v6 allowed for my internal network..I had to allow it from EVERYWHERE
16:55<mgoetze>HoopyCat: uh, why don't you just get an ipv6 tunnel at home?
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16:55<straterra>Once I did it, it stopped blocking the advertisements and works perfectly.
16:55<straterra>mgoetze: not everyone has a static IP at home
16:56<mgoetze>well, there are workarounds for that problem
16:56<HoopyCat>mgoetze: i have a dynamic IP and older NAT hardware, which limits my options a bit; i was using aiccu with sixxs, but it has been blowing more goats lately
16:56<straterra>I do it on my linode so all of my VPN clients are tied together seamlessly
16:56<straterra>the same reason I have the same ipv4 subnet for all of my vpn clients
16:56<straterra>I hate sixxs
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16:57<HoopyCat>mgoetze: so, since i was going to have to do something anyway (and most of my IPv6 traffic is between home and my linode, anyway), i figured i might as well just grab a /48
16:57<HoopyCat>and... god dammit
16:57<straterra>I use a 64 on my linode
16:57<straterra>I don't need a 48 at all
16:57<mgoetze>the HE forums have some scripts for using tunnelbroker.net with a dynamic ip
16:57<mgoetze>i have a /48 for home and a /64 for my linode
16:57<b4>HoopyCat, hoptical-illusion!?
16:57<straterra>I have everything under a single 64
16:57<HoopyCat>mgoetze: i already have a HE tunnel, so i figure i'd just reuse it :-)
16:58<HoopyCat>b4: a beer that is made with lots of flavorful hops and delicious googles
16:58<mgoetze>HoopyCat: well, in my case, using that new york tunnel would introduce a lot of extra latency... for home i use HE's amsterdam tunnel server, it's much closer :)
16:58<phennessy>i think backuppc just found your irc logs
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16:59<HoopyCat>phennessy: you know...
16:59<phennessy>;)
16:59<mgoetze>and i really like how HE will let you have up to 4 tunnels on one account
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16:59<HoopyCat>mgoetze: true... for me, here<->dallas ain't that bad anyway
17:00<HoopyCat>how the hell did brian boitano get on my television?
17:00<mgoetze>the amsterdam tunnel server seems to suck sometimes, unforunately
17:00<Huru>°[10:56:43]° <@Naz> Tom 's new years resolution is: 1200 x 800 - Geek joke for you ;-)
17:01<straterra>I'm in Indy and my linode is in newark..so..
17:01<straterra>using the HE tunnel in new york
17:01<straterra>HoopyCat: whats your ipv6 addy?
17:02<mgoetze>straterra: /whois HoopyCat
17:02<HoopyCat>straterra: 2001:470:b8fa:f101::1
17:02<HoopyCat>... is my home box
17:02<straterra>I'll ping you from this Vista laptop
17:03<straterra>150ms
17:03<straterra>;/
17:03<HoopyCat>phennessy: haven't backed up bluemoon in awhile, so no, that's not what's tripping irssi out. alas.
17:03<HoopyCat>straterra: i've seen worse!
17:03<straterra>yeah
17:03<straterra>all of the latency is between your tunnel and you :/
17:03<HoopyCat>straterra: nod
17:04<straterra>HoopyCat: ping ipv6.projectstfu.com
17:04<phennessy>maybe it's a ploy for someone else to win the idle thing
17:04<HoopyCat>straterra: nice and short
17:04<straterra>what kind of times?
17:05<HoopyCat>straterra: i'm getting mostly 105ms
17:05<straterra>fe80:b00b:b00b:b00b:b00b:b00b:b00b:b00b too :P
17:05<straterra>That's the same machine as ipv6.projectstfu.com hehe
17:05<straterra>oh..duh..thats an internal addy..nevermind
17:06<HoopyCat>straterra: i'm getting 65ms to the far end of my tunnel (bluemoon.hoopycat.com), which is pretty good considering i get 57ms via ipv4
17:06<straterra>Ah, gotcha
17:07<HoopyCat>ok, dinner sounds near. bbl!
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17:12<mgoetze>hm, weird, there's something wrong with my ipv6 here at home
17:12<mgoetze>i get all kinds of packet loss when doing an mtr -6 from my laptop
17:12<mgoetze>and almost none when i do mtr -6 straight from my router
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17:26<Bdragon>hmm
17:33<Bdragon>Is the billing borked, or is the problem on my end?
17:33<DephNet[Paul]>Bdragon, whats up with it?
17:34<Bdragon>I tried the "make payment" button under Accounts and it said "The transaction failed. ErrorMessage: DECLINED ; SGS-000001: D:Declined:YYYP: ; DECLINED "
17:34<DephNet[Paul]>eep
17:34<Bdragon>I'm definately sufficiently under my limit that it should be working...
17:35<exor674>wrong address? wrong CCV?
17:35<DephNet[Paul]>might need to send in a ticket to caker
17:35<exor674>stole someones card and they whined to the CC company and had it killed?
17:35<Bdragon>I never got an option to even put IN a ccv.
17:35<DephNet[Paul]>havnt they just changed the gateway?
17:35<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Do you ever buy stuff from Deal Extreme?
17:35<Bdragon>Yeah, but I also just changed cards
17:36<Bdragon>because my debit card has daily limits and I get nervous using it anyway
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17:36<DephNet[Paul]>Bdragon, i was under the impression that you need to provide the CVV for atleast the first transaction, so that *might* be the problem
17:36<DephNet[Paul]>but id send a ticket in to caker just to be sure
17:37<Bdragon>I never saw a field to put in a CVV.
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17:40<b4>yes you did
17:40<b4>your just lying
17:42<Bdragon>Nope.
17:42<Bdragon>Just went through the credit card update screen.
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17:42<Bdragon>Card number and expiration date. That was all.
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17:48<Bdragon>The whole screen goes like Current Card: (display field), Card Number, Expires. [save] No place for a CVV
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17:49<SelfishMan>It should only be required for first time purchases to validate that the person placing the order physically has the card. After that the identity of the holder of that card is considered verified.
17:49<Bdragon>Yeah, but I just changed cards
17:49<Bdragon>from a debit to a cc
17:49<Bdragon>like in the middle of december
17:49<SelfishMan>Latest PCI requires that but there are exceptions
17:51<mwalling>theres no CVV for changing cards, only on first sign up
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17:51<Bdragon>Oh, so it's for the *person* then?
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17:52<mwalling>idk, but the only time i've ever givven a cvv is on signup
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17:59<mwalling>FAILWHALE!
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18:02<b4>do you think 1000 conenctiosn from the bsame IP (an IP on my VPS) to another IP on the VPS will DoS it?
18:02<b4>i don't think so...
18:02*Nivex serves up some Fail Whale Pale Ale
18:02<phennessy>Mmmmm
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18:05<@mikegrb>lolz
18:05<b4>lol
18:05<b4>apache is using more cpu than oinspircd
18:08<Huru>apache fails - lighttpd is good
18:09<mwalling>no one said apache fails
18:10<mwalling>if apache is using .1% and oinspircd is S, then apache is using more cpu
18:10<mwalling>but apache using .025% of available CPUs is not something to go replacing apache over
18:10<mwalling>(assuming b4 is on xen
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18:11<mwalling>caker: new site is too wide btw
18:12<mwalling>caker: it dont fit on my eee's screen :)
18:12<phennessy>get an ipod touch
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18:13<NTFS>whats up whats up
18:13<NTFS>Linux sucks
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18:14<mwalling>shpx, abg guvf ntnva
18:14-!-libervisco [~libervisc@93-138-118-170.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #linode
18:15<chopp>ab fuvg url
18:16<mwalling>pubcc hfr ebg-guvegrra-qbg-cy... vg nqqf va pbageby punenpgref fb bgure fpevcg hfref pna qrpbqr nhgbzngvpyl
18:16<SelfishMan>V fjrne gb tbq V jvyy rng lbhe fbhyf vs lbh pbagvahr guvf
18:16<mwalling>gura v qbag arrq gb xrrc nabgure fperra tbvat gb qrpbqr lbh va
18:17-!-dmadole [~David_Mad@d-208-103-64-64.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #linode
18:17<mwalling>FrysvfuZna jbhyq lbh engure qrny jvgu agsf?
18:17<SelfishMan>Lrf
18:18<SelfishMan>NTFS: How's your mom?
18:18<phennessy>jung qb fbhyf gnfgr yvxr, puvpxra? v jnf ubcvat ab bar jbhyq fnl n jbeq naq ur'q whfg yrnir.
18:18<mwalling>fuhaa gur aba ebggre
18:18<chopp>zjnyyvat: bx V'yy ybbx sbe vg
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18:19<HoopyCat>gur synccvat puvpxra qrfpraqf va gur zbbayvtug
18:19<mwalling>pubcc hey vaobhaq gb lbhe cz
18:19<SelfishMan>NTFS: Because I thought your sister was better
18:20<mwalling>UbbclPng: puvpxraf pna syl?
18:20<HoopyCat>zjnyyvat: tbbq riravat, pbzenqr. urer ner gur zvavqvfpf jvgu gur frangbe'f... vaqvfpergvbaf
18:20<SelfishMan>V'z gelvat gb cebibxr gur gebyy ohg nccneragyl guvf vf gur jbefg gebyy rire
18:21<HoopyCat>lrnu, bhe ubhfr gebyyf ner erznexnoyl tbbq
18:22<mgoetze>
18:22<SelfishMan>Fb gurer V jnf, onyyf qrrc va AGSF'f fvfgref n....
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18:23<mgoetze>pna v hfr ebg13.cy gb qrpbqr jung gubfr bguref ner fnlvat?
18:23<mwalling>ztbrgmr lhc
18:23<Internat>oh not this shit again
18:23*SelfishMan agrees
18:23<Internat>i lost my decoder somewhere..
18:24<mwalling>lbh fubhyq nqq lbhe rapbqrq avpx gb lbhe uvyvtug yvfg, fvapr gur uvyvtug jbag gevttre ba jung gur fpevcg fubbgf bhg
18:24<guinea-pig>so program another one
18:24<mwalling>Internat: meh
18:24<Pryon>drink your ovaltine
18:25<mgoetze>bx, yrg zr ercuenfr gung dhrfgvba, pna v hfr ebg13.cy gb qrpbqr jung gur bguref ner fnlvat jvgubhg pbcl&cnfgvat vg?
18:25<phennessy>Mmmmm.. i smell dinner
18:25<SelfishMan>mgoetze: Yes
18:25<mwalling>bayl crbcyr jub hfr gur fpevcg. vg nccraqf gjb pbageby-o punenpgref gb lbhe zrffntr
18:26<mwalling>lbh'er abg trggvat guvf nhgbzngvpyl qrpbqrq?
18:26<chopp>V unq guvf fpevcg vafgnyyrq bapr n ybat gvzr ntb, naq gubhtug..jung gur uryy nz V rire tbvat gb hfr guvf sbe. :)
18:27<mgoetze>jvgu "gur bguref" v zrnag crbcyr yvxr UbbclPng
18:27<SelfishMan>zjnyyvat: V qba'g hfr gur fpevcg ohg V nccraq gur pbageby punenpgref whfg gb znxr lbh thlf unccl. Juval ovgpurf...
18:27<mwalling>UbbclPng hfrf guvf fpevcg
18:27<mgoetze>and i'm not getting SelfishMan's stuff automatically decoded either
18:28<mwalling>thats cause hes not using it
18:28<HoopyCat>v'z hfvat gur fpevcg abj, ohg v jnfa'g sbe zl svefg pbhcyr bs zbzragf hagvy v vafgnyyrq vg
18:28<SelfishMan>I use the control characters though
18:28<mgoetze>SelfishMan: well, it's not helping :)
18:28<Internat>whats the cypher 8 to the right?
18:28<mwalling>SelfishMan: maybe i'm reading the script wrong then
18:28<SelfishMan>Juval ovgpurf...
18:29<mwalling>line 45
18:29<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: there needs to be a space between the two wokkas
18:29<SelfishMan>I copy and pasted the control chars
18:29<SelfishMan>Oi
18:29<mwalling>ha
18:29<SelfishMan>dddddddafdasdfafafdsfa
18:29<mwalling>that time it was bold
18:29<SelfishMan>dammit
18:29<HoopyCat>space, wokka, space, wokka
18:30<mgoetze>meanwhile, i'm wondering once again why the command-line decoder is in the bsdgames package
18:30<mwalling>heh
18:31<SelfishMan>Because BSD is as cryptic and insecure as that encoding scheme?
18:31*SelfishMan ducks
18:31<mwalling>haha
18:32<mgoetze>SelfishMan: i dare you to walk up to theo de raadt and tell him that to his face :P
18:32<SelfishMan>theo de raadt: BSD is unstable and insecure. Oh, and urmom wears army boots
18:33<mgoetze>i mean in real life :P
18:33<Bdragon>Theo is unstable and insecure. The BSDs themselves aren't.
18:33*SelfishMan waits for that to hit google
18:33<SelfishMan>Could be worse. I mean, it's not like he killed his wife...
18:33<phennessy>yet
18:33<mgoetze>i wish someone kept a blog where i could follow any good theo de raadt flamewars
18:34<mgoetze>he has a wife?
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18:34<SelfishMan>Speaking of that...Reiser was found guilty right?
18:34<mgoetze>right
18:35<SelfishMan>or did they throw it out saying no "computer nerd" has ever been near a girl so he couldn't possibly have been married
18:35<mgoetze>i just wonder whether they're going to let him have a computer in jail
18:35<SelfishMan>They weren't computer crimes so I
18:35<Bdragon>Well, he was guilty of murder, not cracking...
18:35<SelfishMan>I'm sure they won't care
18:36<Internat>tb qvr va n tbq qnzz sver lbh fghcvq plcure penc xguk.
18:36<mgoetze>well, i don't know very much about us jails/prisons. is it even possible in general to have a computer there?
18:36<Bdragon>You know, people in jail would be ideal candidates for recruiting new open source developers... They kinda have a lot of spare time, right?
18:36<SelfishMan>Internat: A little late, eh?
18:37<Bdragon>(global) Community service :D
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18:37<phennessy>heh
18:37<HoopyCat>Vagreang: gung snvyrq gb nhgb-qrpbqr cebcreyl; ebgngr bar unys cv pbhagre-pybpxjvfr naq gel ntnva
18:37<SelfishMan>There is already a FS that will kill your wife, not sure I want a kernel that will too
18:37<phennessy>they could work on php projects, not necessarily kernels
18:37<NTFS>fuck linux
18:38<SelfishMan>NTFS: I thought your sister was more fun for that
18:38<mgoetze>they should really punish reiser and force him to implement zfs for linux
18:38<NTFS>you are fucking sick
18:38<Internat>-a lbh fher nobhg gung? frrzf gb or pbqvat naq qrpbqvat var sbe zr
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18:38<mwalling>FrysvfuZna lbh'er cynlvat jvgu zngpurf fvggvat va n fjvzzvat cbby shyy bs tnf
18:39<checkers>stop pretending you're on alt.sysadmin.recovery
18:39<chopp>jul qbrf guvf tbbs abg trg xvpxrq?
18:39<mgoetze>qhaab, ohg gebyyvat uvz jnf xvaqn sha lrfgreqnl
18:39<HoopyCat>Vagreang: raq gur zrffntr jvgu fcnpr, pgey-O, fcnpr, pgey-O naq vg jvyy nhgb-qrpbqr sbe gubfr bs hf gehyl ynml nezpunve pelcgbf
18:39-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*NTFS@*.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by mikegrb
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18:39<phennessy>vg'f cnlonpx sbe nyy gur gvzrf v fnvq yby 4 gvzrf va n ebj
18:39<HoopyCat>yby
18:39<Bdragon>hi mikegrb :)
18:39<FFEMTcJ>wtf over
18:40<SelfishMan>zjnyyvat ubj qb lbh svther gung?
18:40<scorche|sh>
18:40*mgoetze hopes mikegrb won't write a script that triggers on yby
18:40<HoopyCat>ybym
18:41<scorche|sh>ab...
18:41<HoopyCat>jrypbzr pbzenqr fpbepur|fu gb gbc-frperg frperg onpxpunaary
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18:42<Bdragon>Fynpxjner
18:42<mgoetze>Oqentba snvy
18:42<scorche|sh>v unir orra urer...whfg unirag obgurerq gb ybnq gur fpevcg naq gelvat gb svk znatyr.cy
18:42<res0>seriously?
18:42<HoopyCat>! crbcyr fgvyy hfr ebg13?!?!
18:42<SelfishMan>! crbcyr fgvyy hfr fynpxjner?!?!
18:43<Internat>*sigh* i should implement the auto decode.. are you guys putting a control char at the start?
18:43<Bdragon>yby pnxr fynpxjner
18:43<SelfishMan>control char at the *start*? oops
18:43<HoopyCat>Internat: at the end, i believe... space, ctrl-B, space, ctrl-B
18:43<Internat>
18:43<Internat>?
18:43<phennessy>you could use the source
18:43<scorche|sh>abj gung v unir vg ybnqrq, crbcyr jub nerag hfvat vg ner naablvat...
18:43<Bdragon>Oh, I figured it just looked all the words up in dict :P
18:43<HoopyCat>poop
18:43<mgoetze>apt-get install irssi-scripts
18:43<Internat>mirc :P
18:44<mgoetze>people are still using mirc ?!?
18:44<Bdragon>people are still using mirc ?!?
18:44<SelfishMan>mirc?
18:44<res0>yeah... rot13.pl works very well
18:44<res0>for varying definitions of "well"
18:44<scorche|sh>spoiler alert...
18:45<Bdragon>woah.
18:45<Bdragon>EPIC5.
18:45<scorche|sh>UbbclPng npghnyyl,gur gbc-frperg onpxpunaary vf #yvabqr-orgn, ohg ab bar tbrf gurer nalzber....vg jnf whfg FcnprUbob naq v gurer sbe zbaguf =/
18:45<Bdragon>like, for christmas.
18:46<HoopyCat>fpbepur|fu: jbj, gung'f yvxr lbhe bja crefbany uryy. ;-)
18:46<Bdragon>#yvabqr-kraorgn vf fgvyy ba zl nghbwbva :C
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18:51<b4>how do you do that anyway?
18:51<b4>
18:51<b4> ?
18:51<b4> wtf is this bold?
18:51<Bdragon>Because of the cmode?
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18:53<b4>what script is that?
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18:58<chopp>screwwiththeubuntuusers.pl
18:59<mgoetze>there was an ubuntu user in #exim earlier on, apparently swaks on ubuntu still can't find Net::DNS even after you apt-get install libnet-dns-perl
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18:59<SelfishMan>mgoetze: Yeah it does. Just fine.
19:00<mgoetze>ok, just a particularily stupid ubuntu user, i guess :)
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19:09<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Do you ever buy stuff from Deal Extreme?
19:11<HoopyCat>Yaakov: no, but i've heard of Extreme Pita
19:11<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Deal Extreme has universal free shipping right now.
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19:12<checkers>Yaakov: you must be new to the site
19:12<checkers>it has ALWAYS free shipping
19:12<checkers>and it is the best shop on the internet
19:12<Yaakov>checkers: I looked at them some time in the past, they were much smaller and didn't have free shipping.
19:12<scorche|sh>it wasnt all free shipping
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19:13<HoopyCat>Yaakov: never been there before... it reminds me of a flea market, but without the cardboard boxes on the ground
19:13<checkers>it's been free for at least a few years iirc
19:13<Yaakov>HoopyCat: search "flashlight"
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19:14<HoopyCat>Yaakov: that's random as hell. i love it.
19:14<fukawi2>hi all... I can't find anywhere on the website what kind of network connectivity Linode has? Also, can I choose which D/C my Linode goes in?
19:15<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Some of those lights are really great deals, too.
19:15<Yaakov>Look at the $2 deals, from the top navigation.
19:16<phennessy>do you have to bid on items?
19:16-!-Huru [~huru@202-0-56-193.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:17<Nevyn>fukawi2: yes, you get to choose when you create it
19:18<HoopyCat>fukawi2: linode purchases transit from the individual datacenters, so the actual upstream carriers depend on the datacenter
19:18<HoopyCat>!download
19:18<linbot>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636
19:18<HoopyCat>fukawi2: ... and that link has big files you can download from each datacenter to see which works best :-)
19:18<phennessy>you can find network maps on each datacenter's website
19:18-!-netjackal [~netjackal@corp-nat.singapore.corp.yahoo.com] has joined #linode
19:22<Yaakov>phennessy: They are just a retailer.
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19:22<phennessy>huh?
19:24<phennessy>i'm just saying if you want to see what the uplinks are, you need to go to the DCs website.. like http://www.nac.net/images/networkmaps/nacnetworkmap.gif for Newark
19:24<Yaakov> < phennessy> do you have to bid on items?
19:24<phennessy>oh oh
19:25<phennessy>i was being sarcastic cause of that other site where you pay for bids
19:25<phennessy>http://www.swoopo.com/
19:25<res0>phennessy: those little green hands just make me think of goatse :<
19:25<Yaakov>HoopyCat: http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11315 :(
19:27<fukawi2>thanks guys :)
19:27<linbot>New news from forums: UUID not retained across swap resize in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3775>
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19:28<Yaakov>HoopyCat: You NEED one of these: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1205
19:32<HoopyCat>Yaakov: craaaazy
19:32<checkers>get the bacon keyring
19:33<HoopyCat>http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18090
19:33<HoopyCat>ehh, might double-bag it...
19:34*checkers would just avoid :p
19:34<phennessy>the chinese are pretty good at preventing lots of kids
19:35<Nevyn>they have a lot of abortions though
19:35<Nevyn>HoopyCat: don't double bag...that increases the chance of tears :P
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19:37<b4>!dns irc.mostlynothing.co.cc
19:37<linbot>b4: 66.246.76.209
19:38<phennessy>wow, winds got up to 73mph yesterday
19:38<phennessy>i thought it was especially windy
19:39<phennessy><-- slow to read the news headlines
19:39<b4>!dns mostlynothing.co.cc
19:39<linbot>b4: 66.246.75.70
19:39<SelfishMan>!dns alittleofeverything.co.cc
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19:39<linbot>SelfishMan: 118.219.232.177
19:39<SelfishMan>Ha!
19:40<Karrde>!dns wrong.domain.name
19:40<linbot>Karrde: 78.46.233.185
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19:46<SelfishMan>!dns urmoms.name
19:46<linbot>SelfishMan: Host not found.
19:47*SelfishMan races off to register it
19:47<exor674>is there a .st TLD?
19:47<exor674>this.does.not.exi.st <_<
19:47<b4>!dns ejrtop9erwhtwre.net
19:47<linbot>b4: Host not found.
19:51<res0>exor674: sao tome and principe
19:51<res0>http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/st.html
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19:54<HoopyCat>http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/headcandy/2008/12/who-says-tv-anc.html
19:54<HoopyCat>... that's what working weekends for ten years will do to you
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20:19<HoopyCat>name the best xmpp plugin for irssi. GO
20:21<res0>i think many folks use bitlbee for that
20:21<Toba>that's what I use
20:21<Toba>bitlbee on localhost, works nicely
20:22<Toba>slightly more time to set up probably, but it's done and why change?
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20:23<TwistOfFate>good to see fail2ban is working. only installed it last night and it's blocked 3 ips already.
20:24<Toba>interesting definition of 'working'
20:25<Toba>unless you know that all of those IPs did something bad and that every IP that did something bad was blocked, it's not perfect
20:25<Toba>I should write some 'firewall' software that just blocks IPs at random, people would think it was working.
20:26<SelfishMan>Only blocked 3? Either you have one of the statistically deviant IPs or something isn't configured proper
20:26<HoopyCat>$ ./zonealarm.sh
20:26<TwistOfFate>well considering i'm the only one who should know about the box's existence, there is no reason for anyone else to be trying to ssh to it.
20:26<HoopyCat>TwistOfFate: there's not that many valid IPv4 addresses out there
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20:27<SelfishMan>TwistOfFate: Why? I type 207.192.72.27 all the time and that is the wrong IP
20:27<Toba>TwistOfFate: ...people don't manually do those attacks.
20:28<Toba>bots are always random netblock scanning
20:28<SelfishMan>True I don't have access to that IP but it is a legitimate mistake
20:28<HoopyCat>Blocked attack from host 245.131.171.184 on port 7548!!!
20:28<TwistOfFate>but you wouldn't try to login to it 20 times.
20:28<SelfishMan>TwistOfFate: I've made that mistake 15 times in 5 minutes
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20:29<TwistOfFate>well, all i know is, i've looked at the auth.log for the past 24hrs, and it's been 3 ips. those 3 ips were trying to login as nobody, wheel, man, etc
20:30<SelfishMan>I'm still surprised it has been only 3 IPs in 24 hours
20:31<checkers>not all brute force attempts come from botnets :)
20:32<Nevyn>TwistOfFate: new linode?
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20:33<TwistOfFate>i've had it for 3 months.
20:33<Nevyn>hmm, then 3 is really low
20:34<TwistOfFate>oh
20:34<TwistOfFate>actually i migrated from newark to fremont about...
20:34<TwistOfFate>2 weeks ago
20:34<TwistOfFate>so new ip
20:34<SelfishMan>The amount of time doesn't really matter
20:35<SelfishMan>I'm betting you have one of the IPs that don't fall into the random algorithm
20:35<TwistOfFate>lucky me then :)
20:39<mgoetze>how does the random algorithm work?
20:39<chesty>in debian, it's just /dev/zero
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20:41<SelfishMan>The windows exploit bots are handed a full /23 or /22 to scan and they pass along their scan progress and a new network to the systems they infect. SSH attacks aren't really from botnets but are still automated. Typically they scan the local /24 or possibly /23 but don't venture out that much without additional instructions to do so.
20:41<Bdragon>caker: What about making account/makePayment.cfm a two step page and ask there?
20:43<Toba>okay
20:43<Toba>who ehre actually understands this software?
20:43<Toba>what is the chance that an IP will get blocked for connecting once and then disconnecting?
20:44<Toba>will that even get reported to the "central" repository of attacks?
20:44<Toba>i'm trying to do a study of connectability of random populations of IP addresses
20:46<checkers>SelfishMan: there's plenty of 'blind' scanning too
20:46<checkers>any IP in a TP datacenter will get scanned quite often
20:46<Bdragon>Well, it might help if you set a descriptive RDNS that points people to a web site describing your study ;)
20:46<Toba>TP?
20:47<Bdragon>ThePlanet
20:47<Toba>good idea Bdragon
20:47<Bdragon>meh, any host on the ipv4 internet will get scanned quite often.
20:47<Toba>i'm just writing the software now
20:47<Toba>i think i'll try port 80
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20:47<Toba>that will get lost in the logs as an error, anyway
20:47<Toba>and nobody will get angry about it
20:48<checkers>what do you mean "connectability"?
20:48<Toba>if a tcp connection can be opened within a 5 second timeout from me to the ip
20:48<Toba>on port 22/80
20:48<Bdragon>hee hee
20:48<checkers>better to call it a scan of unsecured linux webservers :P
20:49<Toba>it's not insecure to be able to be connected to on port 80 or 22
20:49*Bdragon doesn't assume 5 seconds with HIS connection :P
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20:49<Toba>it's insecure if your software is broken
20:49<HoopyCat>ok, bitlbee is, indeed, powered by win
20:49<Bdragon>heh
20:49<Bdragon>bitlbee, you'll never have to leave IRC again
20:49<Toba>exactly
20:50<HoopyCat>any IMAP plugins for irssi?
20:50<Toba>learn screen
20:50<Toba>get a console mail client
20:51<phennessy>HoopyCat: you need emacs
20:51<Toba>or do you mean like an irc channel that tells you about new email
20:51<Toba>that'd be pretty neat
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20:51<checkers>HoopyCat: o.0 what do you want to do
20:51<HoopyCat>phennessy: i've thought about it :-)
20:51<HoopyCat>checkers: oh, i dunno.
20:52<Nevyn>screen+mutt
20:52*Bdragon had assumed that the IMAP request was re: authentication ;)
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20:53<SelfishMan>Toba: You may want to reconsider that as I have several SSH honeypots running on 22/TCP that...well...granny porn...
20:54<HoopyCat>that sure is a honey pot!
20:54<SelfishMan>Ewwwwww
20:55<phennessy>ascii granny porn?
20:56<checkers>what are the IPs of those? just for research purposes, you understand
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20:59<Bdragon>ooo
20:59*Bdragon just got called back by the anti-fraud machine
20:59<Bdragon>hee hee
21:00*Bdragon listens to the message
21:00<chopp>all I seem to see with DataMatrix's serverstatus script is cpu%, anyone else use it?
21:01<HoopyCat>bed, g'nite!
21:01<@caker>9:00 ???
21:01<phennessy>'nite
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21:02<Seannachie>I'm getting a 107ms ping time to my Linode in Newark...
21:02<Seannachie>that isn't good, is it
21:02<charlie>Seannachie, I get a 60ms ping to my linode
21:03<phennessy>i suppose it depends on where you are coming from
21:03<Seannachie>Yeah
21:03<Seannachie>Hm
21:03<Seannachie>My Linode is in Newark
21:03<Seannachie>I'm in Seattle
21:03<@caker>100ms cross country can be expected
21:03<Nevyn>I get 25ms to mine...Kansas to Dallas
21:03<@caker>electrons can only travel so fast
21:03<@caker>(and LIGHT BEAMS, too)
21:03<@tasaro>you may want to submit a ticket to be moved to Fremont when the new hosts are racked
21:04<@tasaro>if 100ms bothers you
21:04<phennessy>new hosts in fremont? Peng will be happy!
21:04<@tasaro>haha
21:04<mgoetze>100ms bothers me, please open up a location in europe :P
21:04<@tasaro>mgoetze: move to the US
21:04<mgoetze>tasaro: is that a job offer?
21:05<@tasaro>did you submit a resume?
21:05<Seannachie>Hm, I wonder if I would get better speeds at The Planet?
21:05<@caker>mgoetze: depends -- are you hot?
21:06<@caker>!download
21:06<linbot>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636
21:06<mgoetze>no, i'm ugly, but an RHCE
21:06<@caker>Seannachie: --^
21:06<Eman>and the beer goggles say...?
21:06<Seannachie>thx caker
21:07<Bdragon>caker: Yeah, it's likely on my end, the system called me about all three transaction attempts and noted that they were all declined...
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21:08<@caker>Bdragon: so far, the new gateway has performed flawlessly, fwiw
21:10<Bdragon>caker: Yeah, it's probabaly just something holding a temporary lock on the card, I'll try again when I see my monthly payment has finished posting...
21:11<Seannachie>!fremont
21:11<Seannachie>How do I check that...
21:11<Karrde>!avail-he
21:11<linbot>Karrde: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 15, Fremont1080 - 1, Fremont1440 - 1, Fremont2880 - 1
21:11<Seannachie>damn
21:11<mgoetze>what, you wanted *two* 2880s?
21:12<@mikegrb>lolz
21:12<Seannachie>lol
21:12<Seannachie>540 :P
21:12<phennessy>tasaro hinted that new hosts would be racked there, so it may only be a few days
21:12<checkers>< mgoetze> 100ms bothers me, please open up a location in europe :P <-- open one in Australia too please
21:13<Seannachie>Open one on Mars plox
21:13<Bdragon>you guys and your bitching about sub-second response times.... :P
21:13<checkers>not that I'd pay for bandwidth in this country...
21:13<Eman>i'll open a datacenter on dialup for you
21:14<Eman>enjoy your 500ms pings
21:14<phennessy>who would want to do anything in austrialia with all the filtering rules?
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21:14<checkers>which filtering rules are those?
21:14<phennessy>the ones in the news
21:14<Bdragon>Minimum = 835ms, Maximum = 1084ms, Average = 975ms
21:14<phennessy>maybe they filter that too :)
21:14<mgoetze>Bdragon: what's that, mars?
21:14<Bdragon>(yay, spacetubes.)
21:14<checkers>the ones not yet implemented and not likely to be? :P
21:14<phennessy>yes
21:14<Bdragon>ip over satellite
21:14<Seannachie>!avail-nac
21:14<Seannachie>goddamnit
21:14<phennessy>!avail-nj
21:14<linbot>phennessy: Newark360 - 1, Newark540 - 3, Newark720 - 15, Newark1080 - 1, Newark1440 - 1, Newark2880 - 1
21:14<Seannachie>this is confusing
21:15<@caker>Seannachie: http://www.linode.com/avail.cfm
21:15<mgoetze>yay for consisten naming
21:15<Seannachie>Oh!
21:15<Seannachie>Thank you caker
21:15<checkers>can you imagine a government convincing every ISP in the country to run every port 80 connection through a bank of cisco webfilters? :p
21:16<@caker>mgoetze: it's consistent ... avail-<state> ... there are also aliases for the datacenters' initials
21:16<Bdragon>Well, it depends on whether the ISPs are state run in the country in question :P
21:16<mgoetze>checkers: uhm, writing a law and then sending the police to shutdown anyone not in compliance would be pretty convincing to me
21:16<checkers>Bdragon: we might use kangaroos for delivering mail but we aren't THAT backwards
21:17*Bdragon bounces packets off of 87 West
21:17<Seannachie>When I move my Linode, can I run a command to replace every instance of oldip with newip in every file on the system
21:17<Seannachie>?
21:18<phennessy>checkers: ever hear of room 641A
21:18<@caker>Seannachie: I dunno, can you?
21:18<phennessy>checkers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
21:18*caker is one pedantic sonofabitch
21:19*Seannachie rephrases :P
21:19<Seannachie>When I move my Linode, what is the command to replace every instance of oldip with newip in every file on the system
21:19<Seannachie>?
21:19<@caker>much better.
21:19<bd_>Seannachie: that sounds incredibly dangerous
21:19<Bdragon>I'd say you should find them and then change them by hand
21:19<@caker>Seannachie: I agree with bd. It's possible, but unwise, imo
21:19<Bdragon>some variation on grep -R
21:19<Seannachie>why unwise?
21:20<Seannachie>brb
21:20<bd_>Seannachie: imagine if the IP is in your database
21:20<bd_>and the new one is a different length
21:20<bd_>now your database is destroyed
21:20<bd_>fun!
21:20<bd_>even if it's the same length, your indexes are now broken.
21:20<Bdragon>Well, what if the bytes occur in an image or other file that isn't meant to be string-twiddled?
21:20<bd_>and that's just an easy example
21:21<Bdragon>So yeah, just grep for the ip first and then look at the files that had a match.
21:22<Seannachie>D:
21:22<Seannachie>Okay
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21:35<fukawi2>well I haI have my own linode now :) can anyone help me with getting Arch installed with a custom partitioning scheme? I've booted Finnix and setup the partition table on /dev/xvdb but now how do I get arch in there?
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21:37<@caker>fukawi2: I don't suggest partitioning -- it prevents you from using our resize tools. Instead, create individual disk images
21:38-!-Huru|Sleeping is now known as Huru
21:39<mgoetze>caker: is there any advantage over just creating one big LVM PV?
21:39<bd_>mgoetze: You don't need to mess with pv-grub and initrds to get it to boot :)
21:39<@caker>so deploy Arch. Then create more empty ext3 disk images. Attach them all to a finnix profile. Boot finnix. Mount them somewhere, and then cp -a stuff onto its proper location, removing the stuff and updating fstab along the way
21:40<mgoetze>ok, let's say one 100mb /boot partition and a huge lvm pv :)
21:40<fukawi2>caker: fair enough - still have the same issue though, how do I get arch onto the disk? install it on xvda, then boot finnix to dd / cp everything to appropriate xvd*
21:40<bd_>mgoetze: it's easier :)
21:40<@caker>mgoetze: our system will refuse to resize down a non-ext2/3 image
21:40<@caker>no dd involved. You're copying files
21:40<bd_>fukawi2: set up all your disk images, boot finnix, mount root on /mnt, mkdir /mnt/usr, mount /mnt/usr, etc etc etc
21:40<bd_>then install to /mnt
21:40<fukawi2>caker: thanks caker, that was what I was hoping to avoid, but I guess I'll have to :)
21:41<@caker>bd_: that method he's mounting over the places he wants to copy stuff
21:41<@caker>from
21:41<mgoetze>caker: hm, but why would i want to downsize, unless i'm downgrading to lesser package, which is not likely with my 360?
21:41<bd_>caker: Oh, he's converting an existing system?
21:41<@caker>mgoetze: you asked.
21:41<fukawi2>bd_: but I can't boot the arch install ISO can I? only the Linode provided images to make a default machine?
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21:42<@caker>fukawi2: you cannot boot the install cd, no
21:42<bd_>fukawi2: right, you'll need to either install on your own system and upload or rsync an image, or find a tarball you can extract, or find a script that'll install it to some directory (like debian's debootstrap)
21:42<mgoetze>caker: yeah i'm just saying you didn't answer my question the way i meant it, unless you intended the answer to mean "no" ;)
21:42<bd_>actually,
21:42<bd_>the wizard supports arch
21:42<bd_>so you could do it like that
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21:42<bd_>use the distro wizard to create your root filesystem
21:42<fukawi2>I'll have a hack around with cp'ing everything... thanks for your help guys :)
21:42<bd_>then cp -a to the final mount points
21:43<@caker>"is there any advantage to using our method vs using an <boot image> and a giant LVM pv" -- yes, you can't use our resize tools to resize smaller
21:43<@caker>... when the image isn't ext2/3
21:43<bd_>there are advantages to the LVM method too
21:43<bd_>eg, snapshot support
21:43<phennessy>lvm in lvm in lvm
21:44<phennessy>well maybe not
21:44<mgoetze>caker: yes, that's not an advantage as far as i'm concerned
21:44<bd_>If it were possible to attach disk images at runtime you could also do a live resize that way (attach a new PV, then expand)
21:44<phennessy>using the tools in the manager make things so much easier
21:44<fukawi2>bd_: where do I find this "wizard" you speak of? :)
21:44<bd_>but unfortunately linode doesn't support that
21:44<bd_>fukawi2: deploy a linux distribution from the panel
21:45<phennessy>should be a button on the right column i think
21:45<fukawi2>db_: oh, yeah I found that... I thought you meant there was something to customize that further
21:45<phennessy>could install that and upgrade, right?
21:45<phennessy>i don't know anything about arch
21:45<bd_>install that and mess with the partitions from there even
21:46<fukawi2>yeah, that's what I'm going to have to do from what caker is saying... install arch, create additional disk images, book finnix, rearrange everything from finnix, then boot arch again
21:47<fukawi2>does Finnix support LVM?
21:47<phennessy>!customhowto
21:47<linbot>phennessy: "customhowto" could be http://thegrebs.com/~michael/custom_howto/
21:47<phennessy>fukawi2: could try the custom thing too ^
21:47<@caker>fukawi2: it supports everything
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21:47<@caker>fukawi2: what problem are you trying to solve with all these mountpoints?
21:48<phennessy>that could so be a urmom joke
21:48<bd_>caker: Finnix supports btrfs? :D
21:48<fukawi2>security and managability mainly... I like having /usr mounted RO, and /var separate so logs can't DOS, same for /home but so users can't
21:48<bd_>'everything' <-
21:49<fukawi2>phennessy - I like what you just sent me... I'm going to have a look at that. I have VirtualBox here that I could install "my" arch in to, then dd-ssh it :)
21:49<phennessy>it's best to use the linode kernels, so once it's copied over, you can delete them
21:50<phennessy>the linode kernels stay outside your fs
21:50<bd_>hmmm
21:50*bd_ attempts to set up a linode with a btrfs root
21:50<fukawi2>so /boot inside the VM is redundant?
21:50<phennessy>no point really
21:50<fukawi2>interesting :)
21:50<bd_>fukawi2: you only need /boot if you're going to use a custom kernel
21:51<phennessy>you could do the pvgrub stuff, but that looks for (hd0)/boot
21:51<bd_>which is only minimally supported for tinkerers :)
21:51<phennessy>and if you had a special fs for that, you'd have /boot/boot/grub.lst or sompn
21:51<bd_>caker: is source and .config for the finnix kernel available somewhere?
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21:51<@caker>bd_: no
21:52<bd_>hmm
21:52<bd_>that makes things tricky
21:52<fukawi2>TwistOfFate - sweet, another Aussie :P
21:53<TwistOfFate>there's a few of us here fukawi2
21:53<TwistOfFate>checkers is one too
21:53<fukawi2>knowing my luck, I'm still the only mexican though? ;)
21:54<TwistOfFate>we can't all be perfect.
21:54<@mikegrb>lolz
21:54<fukawi2>lol
21:55<Feds>fukawi
21:55<Feds>2
21:55<Feds>Im Mexican too :P
21:55<mwalling>HoopyCat: did you ever get bitlbee set up?
21:57<fukawi2>sweet! we're still outnumbered tho :(
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21:57<SelfishMan>[19:18] * caker is one pedantic sonofabitch
21:57-!-also is now known as fo0barrrrrr
21:57*SelfishMan giggles
21:57<TwistOfFate>hmm, anyone know which debian package the program 'chat' is in?
21:57<fo0barrrrrr>FloodServ appears to have forgotten me
21:58<mgoetze>TwistOfFate: search for it on http://packages.debian.org
21:58<fo0barrrrrr>since monday, it appears
21:58<mgoetze>TwistOfFate: (packages containing files ending in bin/chat)
21:59<b4>O_o
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22:00<fo0barrrrrr>bd_: finnix will work with any kernel config, as long as iso9660 is compiled in (or in the initrd), but squashfs and unionfs must be patched in
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22:00<bd_>fo0barrrrrr: hmm, okay.
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22:08<shmay>any politics junkies here?
22:09<SelfishMan>$politicalperson is an idiot and has/will screw up _______
22:10<@mikegrb>lolz
22:10<fukawi2>lol
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22:11<@mikegrb>lolz
22:11<TwistOfFate>lol
22:11<SelfishMan>Please be careful with the lolz bots for they are subtle and quick to anger
22:12<TwistOfFate>SelfishMan
22:12<TwistOfFate>stop being so selfish.
22:12<SelfishMan>Bite my hairy middle nut
22:12<SelfishMan>;-P
22:13<chopp>trr V zvff AGSF
22:14<mgoetze>shmay: politics of what? icann? germany? china?
22:14<SelfishMan>chopp: Why?
22:15<chopp>I don't really.
22:15<shmay>eh, i had a site idea i wanted feedback on
22:15<SelfishMan>shmay: Linky
22:15<mgoetze>i would welcome a site commenting on the politics of icann
22:15*SelfishMan bites his tongue
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22:17<Nevyn>I think there is one
22:19<shmay>i would probably call it wiki-arguments or something, and it would basically be a wiki for arguments for a particular stance on a political issue. like, one page would be "pro obamas health care plan" or something. on that page would be all of arguments for that policy. another page would be "anti obamas healthcare plan"
22:19<shmay>and so on
22:20<@irgeek>shmay: That already exists... the talk pages on Wikipedia.
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22:20<phennessy>irgeek is back
22:21<mgoetze>anti obamas healthcare plan: there are already way too many americans, considering how much oil they consume and how much CO2 they emit
22:22<@irgeek>If by back you mean "In a hotel somewhere between Columbus OH and Pittsburgh PA" then yes, I am.
22:22<phennessy>back on irc.. how's life on the road?
22:22<phennessy>i was gonna ask if you made it to NJ yet
22:23<@irgeek>Life on the road is about as good as you'd expect.
22:23<@irgeek>We'll be in NJ tomorrow evening.
22:23<SelfishMan>Note to self: running panic_on_oom in combination with reboot on panic is not a good thing on a development machine
22:24<guinea-pig>panic_on_NOM
22:24<SelfishMan>OM NOM NOM NOM
22:24<SelfishMan>This perl script just went all pacman on my RAM
22:25<checkers>did you put it in rc.local? ;)
22:25<mgoetze>i was thinking you have an init script which starts tomcat, which immediately grabs more ram than you have, and you end up in an endless reboot cycle
22:25<SelfishMan>Nope. I did put ':(){ :|:& };:' in my rc.local because it makes my system so much faster
22:26<checkers>oh no what's hapening
22:26<checkers>everythong is all slo
22:32<zxvf>INTERNET STRANGERS
22:32<SelfishMan>eh?
22:32<zxvf>I HAVE ALMOST COMPLETED MY SUPER DUPER WEB APP
22:32<zxvf>yesterday i did not know php and now i do, sort of
22:33<checkers>oh dear
22:33<b4>zxvf, what does it do?
22:33<zxvf>well
22:33<checkers>hello, world!
22:33<zxvf>i pretend to be a woman on criagslist
22:33<zxvf>and
22:33<zxvf>i get a ton of responses
22:33<zxvf>don't judge me, i make money from this
22:33<zxvf>anyway the responses are hillarious
22:33<@irgeek>zxvf: Are you going to give us a link so we can make fun of^W^W^W critique it?
22:33<zxvf>i made a website that lets you read all of those emails
22:34<zxvf>and soon it will be searchable
22:34<zxvf>yes, i will give you the link
22:34<zxvf>http://rummex.com/~zxvf/spam/search.php
22:34<zxvf>some don't work
22:34<checkers>google search + html too easy?
22:34<zxvf>because i don't parse the msg body very well
22:34<zxvf>checkers: it connects to an imap DB and pulls th messages
22:34<zxvf>they are emails, how would i make google search do this?
22:34<zxvf>google does not search my inbox
22:35<phennessy>you should ask selfishman to send you all his spam
22:35<linbot>New news from forums: Question about distributions: upgrading? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3776>
22:35<@mikegrb>lolz
22:35<zxvf>lol
22:36<SelfishMan>meh, my spam volume is down. It's sad.
22:36<zxvf>any mail that goes to that e-mail address
22:36<checkers>zxvf: documentroot /home/zxvf/Maildir should do it
22:36<zxvf>gets published there
22:36<zxvf>checkers: yeah but those aren't formatted as HTML
22:36<zxvf>they are formatted as MIMEs
22:36<zxvf>silent but deadly
22:36<phennessy>what email address?
22:36<SelfishMan>Interesting. Linode name servers are referenced 306 times in the .US TLD
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22:37<zxvf>oh god, this is not good
22:37<zxvf>it uses SO MUCH CPU
22:37<SelfishMan>zxvf: At least make it pretty
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22:37<zxvf>SelfishMan: i just started on it yesterday
22:37<phennessy>is this the thing from craigslist spam?
22:37<SelfishMan>Like http://spameatingmonkey.net
22:37<zxvf>phennessy: yes
22:37<phennessy>heh
22:37<phennessy>so many idiots on there
22:37<zxvf>yes
22:37<zxvf>SO MANY DICKS
22:38<zxvf>OH GOD DON'T CLICK THE PHOTOS
22:38<zxvf>http://rummex.com/~zxvf/hosted/cl/
22:38<zxvf>these ones are very good
22:38<zxvf>this is what gave me the idea
22:38<phennessy>you should go to w4m not m4m
22:38<zxvf>for that website
22:38<zxvf>phennessy: i was posting on w4m
22:38<mgoetze>so how do you make money off this?
22:38<zxvf>i setup mail filters, with thunderbird
22:38<zxvf>to auto reply
22:38<zxvf>to these messages
22:38<phennessy>set up website, ???, profit
22:38<zxvf>and it includes a link to an affiliate site i'm a member of
22:39<zxvf>i get $1 - $2 per person who signs up as a free member
22:39<zxvf>i have been paying my rent with this
22:39<zxvf>immoral? probably
22:39<@mikegrb>lolz
22:39<checkers>lol
22:39<shubuntu_>hey guys
22:39<zxvf>hello
22:39<shubuntu_>hey mikegrb
22:39<shubuntu_>you're always here
22:39<@mikegrb>lolz
22:39<shubuntu_>lol
22:39<zxvf>http://rummex.com/~zxvf/hosted/cl/oldman.JPG
22:39<zxvf>THIS GUY
22:39<zxvf>READ THAT
22:39<zxvf>for the love of god
22:39<mgoetze>affiliate site as in porn? :P
22:39<shubuntu_>hello mgoetze
22:39<zxvf>no, as in "adult dating site"
22:40<shubuntu_>as in amature porn
22:40<@mikegrb>lolz
22:40<shubuntu_>lol
22:40<checkers>adultsite
22:40<shubuntu_>hello checkers
22:40<mgoetze>anyone have experience with the geode_aes kernel module?
22:40<checkers>hello?
22:41<shubuntu_>ooh
22:41<shubuntu_>i'm here with my other name hold on lemme change
22:41<@mikegrb>lolz
22:41<shubuntu_>lol
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22:41<zxvf>and now, if you will excuse me, i am going to go grocery shopping
22:41<zxvf>FOR GROCERIES
22:42<phennessy>not adult dating supplies?
22:42<zxvf>no
22:42-!-smh [~hosein@60-242-110-240.tpgi.com.au] has joined #linode
22:42<zxvf>i am however going to use my credit card that says "adult friend finder" on it below my name
22:42<smh>now that's betta
22:42<Bdragon>cucumbers
22:42<phennessy>heh
22:42<zxvf>s/credit/debit
22:42<zxvf>the looks you get one someone notices it are awesome
22:43<zxvf>*when
22:43<checkers>is it fear?
22:43<checkers>or lust
22:43<Bdragon>Waitamoment, this was *thursday*? I went through the whole day thinking it was friday today!
22:43<zxvf>a little bit of both I think
22:44<phennessy>score! extra day!
22:44<checkers>Bdragon: hint: one is a public holiday, the other isnt
22:44<zxvf>martin luther king jr day
22:45<checkers>over here it's just "day"
22:45<Bdragon>err, which one is a public holiday?
22:45<zxvf>martin luther king jr day is
22:45<checkers>yesterday :P
22:45<zxvf>four score and seven years ago, i had a dream
22:45<Bdragon>I took the day off to run network cable and stuff
22:46<zxvf>groceries now
22:46<Bdragon>finished upgrading stuff to gigabit
22:46<b4>todya is enw years day
22:46<@irgeek>Bdragon: Did you just say you took vacation time on a public holiday?
22:47<Bdragon>Err, no, I just took today off to do errands and stuff
22:47<checkers>is jan1 not a globsal day off?
22:47<mgoetze>/bin/zgrep: -r: option not supported
22:47<mgoetze>wtf?
22:48<Bdragon>What about -R?
22:48<Bdragon>recursive is a gnu option anyway...
22:48<Bdragon>also, how do you guarantee that the files it finds are all compressed?
22:48<checkers>what os? netbsd 2?
22:48-!-cooldude13233 [~cooldude1@xtreme-57-41.dyn.aci.on.ca] has joined #linode
22:49<mgoetze>Bdragon: that's easy, i did find -type f|grep -v 'gz$'
22:49-!-tsp-irssi [~tyler@S0106001310788ff0.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #linode
22:49*Bdragon still has some old machines with netbsd 1.6.2 on them...
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22:49<mgoetze>zgrep also doesn't support -R or -d
22:51<@irgeek>mgoetze: find ./ -type f -iname "*.gz" <---- This should be a little faster...
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22:51<@irgeek>And will also find files that end in ".GZ" but not files that end in "pigz"
22:52*checkers wonders how those two patterns would compare in terms of search time
22:52<@irgeek>One less process to spawn - not a lot of difference but still faster.
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22:52<mgoetze>irgeek: hm, that kinda does the opposite of my command, though
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22:53<SelfishMan>! people still use Mandriva?!?!
22:53<Bdragon>Last time I used it, it was called Mandrake.
22:54<Irl>I have a question.
22:54<Irl>With my vps, is it possible to use 2 payment methods?
22:54<SelfishMan>Not likely
22:55<@irgeek>mgoetze: I read it wrong. :) find ./ -type f -not -iname "*.gz"
22:55<Irl>So I have to use one payment method?
22:55*SelfishMan defers to irgeek
22:55<mgoetze>anyway, now i have to do: find -type f -exec zgrep -Hi geode '{}' ';'
22:55<Irl>irgeek
22:56<@irgeek>Irl: If you want to do it every month, that's not great for us, but for a once off thing we can probably run it manually.
22:56<@irgeek>Why do you want to use two?
22:56<phennessy>and there is a discount if you go to an annual plan
22:57<SelfishMan>top - 22:56:44 up 11:36, 2 users, load average: 9999999999.99, 0.81, 0.39
22:57<SelfishMan>WTF?
22:57<guinea-pig>fail
22:57<Irl>Well, I am paying for the main linode with my card, but I am running a large bot on another network and we need to upgrade our vps. I cannot afford for the upgrade price, so I want to start accepting donations.
22:57<charlie>SelfishMan, load fail!
22:57<Irl>So the donations would go through paypal, and I would pay with my card still.
22:58<Irl>I was wondering if that was possible.
22:58<res0>why not load your paypal with your card and just pay with paypal?
22:58<guinea-pig>ah, but linode doesn't take paypal (iirc)
22:58<SelfishMan>Irl: just use your paypal card
22:58<res0>oh right
22:58<SelfishMan>But they will take a paypal debit card
22:58<Irl>guinea-pig, i forgot
22:58<bd_>btrfs-equipped finnix running :3
22:58<Irl>but something like that
22:58<@irgeek>res0: We don't accept Paypal...
22:58<Irl>irgeek, I knew that :p
22:58<Irl>But something like paypal.
22:58<Irl>The main thing though, is that possible?
22:59<Irl>Two payment methods going towards one vps?
22:59<SelfishMan>Irl: Does that provider offer a debit card?
22:59<Irl>Right now I'm using a visa gift card.
22:59<res0>Irl: from an ecommerce stance, that situation totally sucks for the merchant
22:59<Irl>But we need another method to accept donations.
22:59<@irgeek>Every month would be a PITA for us I think.
22:59<res0>Irl: because it forces them to process the transaction manually
22:59<Irl>>.<
22:59<Irl>Then what do you suggest we do?
23:00<res0>Irl: i'd just use donation via paypal and just pull the money back to your account in the amount of the difference
23:00<res0>then pay the whole amount each month
23:00<Irl>With a gift card?
23:00<Irl>Thats not possible
23:00<Irl>But
23:00<res0>how are you paying now?
23:00<Irl>Your idea could work.
23:00<Irl>I'm using a visa gift card.
23:00<@irgeek>Irl: What about a Paypal debit card?
23:01<Irl>You guys accept those?
23:01<res0>if they're on the visa or MC network
23:01<@irgeek>They have a (Visa|Mastercard) logo, so yes.
23:01<Irl>Right, because you guys accept visa.
23:01<SelfishMan>Paypal debit cards are just a regular mastercard
23:01<Irl>So, one more question.
23:01<guinea-pig>no they aren't. i used to have a paypal mastercard, but that was a real credit card, not attached to the paypal account
23:01<Irl>If I do decide to get a paypal debit card, would I be able to add money to that myself?
23:01<Bdragon>There's two kinds
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23:02<Bdragon>There's the GE Money Bank card, which is a real credit card (MasterCard)
23:02<mwalling>ge doesnt do comsumer credit products
23:02<mwalling>kthx
23:02<Bdragon>and there's the debit card, which is a debit card I think.
23:02<guinea-pig>but then one company got sold to another, and then WaMu closed my account because they're having trouble
23:02<res0>Irl: paypal accounts let you draw from a credit card if you don't have the funds in your paypal account
23:02<teknicaL>Irl, it comes out of your paypal available balance and uses your checking account as a backup funding source.
23:02<Irl>Hm.
23:03<Irl>I could possibly do that.
23:03<Irl>Thank you guys for the help.
23:03<Bdragon>mwalling: "This card is issued by GE Money Bank pursuant to a licence by MasterCard International. Its use is subject to the terms of your Account Agreement."
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23:03<mwalling>Bdragon: they sold their credit card business
23:03<mwalling>Bdragon: thats why they got rid of thier kinda cool looking travel cards and replaced them with ugly ass AMEX cards
23:04<Bdragon>mwalling: Well paypal's stuff isn't updated yet then. :P
23:04<mwalling>heh
23:04<res0>GE Consumer Finance doesn't exist anymore?
23:04<Bdragon>mwalling: FWIW, the interface for it does seem kinda crusty and old.
23:04<mwalling>res0: 2 ge employees think they shed that business
23:05<mwalling>they still have ComFin though
23:05<res0>mwalling: i have a retail credit card issued by GEMB and my bill payment still goes there
23:05<Bdragon>My Paypal Plus card is GE Money Bank, or at least something that goes by that name...
23:06<phennessy>BoA probably bought them
23:06<phennessy>that or Citi
23:06<Bdragon>Heh, I can totally imagine GE just plain forgetting about a division or two though :P
23:06<res0>gemoney.com still has "GE Money is a trademark of General Electric Company. Copyright © 2008 General Electric Company."
23:06<mwalling>they stopped trying to sell the apliance business
23:07<mwalling>"GE Money, the consumer finance arm of U.S.- based based industrial stalwart General Electric, is pulling back from doing business in its homeland, where it sees scant growth opportunities, to further expand its global footprint. "
23:07<mwalling>from http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080407/REG/348594036/1005/TOC
23:07<Bdragon>GE without an appliance division is uh....
23:07<phennessy>their appliances are good advertising
23:07<mwalling>the first google result for "ge consumer finance sale"
23:07<mwalling>phennessy: right, but thier small appliacne business (aka walmart shit) is a bad thing
23:07<Bdragon>Oh, so that just means they don't sell to themselves anymore?
23:08<Bdragon>"doing business in its homeland"
23:08<phennessy>Dupont has owned all kinds of businesses over the years.. after they start them, they spin it off
23:08<phennessy>GM, Citco
23:08<phennessy>etc..
23:09<phennessy>more recently, one of those soymilk companies
23:12<Seannachie>Why do I show 400something ports open on my Linode? :-/
23:13<SelfishMan>Look at the output of netstat -anp and see what they are
23:13<bd_>-lnp shows only listening ports
23:13<SelfishMan>TIME_WAIT and FIN stuff doesn't count
23:13<bd_>-tnlp for no unix domain sockets
23:13<bd_>device fsid 1a4017a58ca6c2cb-8a6af1960616e788 devid 1 transid 47 /dev/root
23:13<bd_>VFS: Mounted root (btrfs filesystem).
23:13<bd_>:3
23:14<phennessy>ext4?
23:14<bd_>btrfs != ext4
23:14<phennessy></trolling>
23:15*caker ponders grilled cheese
23:16<@irgeek>I think I just convinced one of my friends to fly me around Atlantic City to watch 4th of July fireworks. :)
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23:18<checkers>well that's always a good thing
23:18<SelfishMan>!calc 1 light second per day in miles per second
23:18<linbot>SelfishMan: 1 (light second per day) = 2.15604626 miles per second
23:19<SelfishMan>wow
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23:20<Seannachie>nmap from my home comp shows 1700 ports open. I have like 5 services listening
23:20<Seannachie>wtf gives
23:21<Seannachie>Linode/NAC problems?
23:21<@irgeek>That seems unlikely. Maybe your ISP is monkeying with your traffic.
23:22<@irgeek>Or maybe you're using Win98 without a firewall.
23:22<SelfishMan>NAC is solid for me
23:22<SelfishMan>My local network is having issues but that is it
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23:23<Seannachie>Can someone nmap cobaltrock.com for me?
23:23<SelfishMan>no
23:23<Seannachie>irgeek, yeah, I'm nmapping from VMWare, I think it's just being odd
23:23<checkers>i only see two Seannachie
23:23<checkers>22 & 80
23:23<Seannachie>Ah good
23:23<Seannachie>thank
23:23<Seannachie>s
23:23<@irgeek>cobaltrock.com = 22 & 80 open for me.
23:23<Seannachie>That's how it should be
23:24<checkers>and five filtered
23:24<Seannachie>Thanks guys :)
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23:30<SelfishMan>Is there seriously no easy way to insert a line at the beginning of a text file?
23:31<mgoetze>vi file<enter>i<enter><esc>:wq<enter>
23:31<SelfishMan>-rw-r--r-- 1 ns ns 5.9G 2008-12-31 03:04 com123108.zone
23:32<SelfishMan>Any other suggestions?
23:32<@irgeek>vi file<enter>ggi<enter><esc>:wq<enter>
23:32<phennessy>cat and move
23:32<SelfishMan>Takes too long to do it that way
23:32<phennessy>or make new, cat and move
23:33<SelfishMan>I can't believe there isn't a prepend command for exactly this
23:33<@irgeek>SelfishMan: If you're trying to avoid copying the file, your problem is that the first byte of the first sector is already full.
23:33<StevenK>SelfishMan: cat ?
23:33<SelfishMan>StevenK: Too slow
23:33<@irgeek>You need to shuffle everything to put that one char in.
23:34<SelfishMan>irgeek: I know but it seems to me there should be an easy way to slap an extra block at the beginning of the file
23:34<bd_>SelfishMan: unfortunately most fs drivers don't support that sort of operation
23:34<phennessy>does the zone really need to be in order?
23:34<SelfishMan>I was really just hoping there was some way I wasn't aware of
23:34<bd_>for one, it makes it hard to avoid fragmentation
23:35<SelfishMan>phennessy: It would be nice to be able to do that with all the TLD zones I have so I don't need to specify it elsewhere
23:36<SelfishMan>But I'll just keep doing it as I have been
23:36<@irgeek>Do most filesystems even support a partially filled sector in the middle of a file?
23:36<phennessy>that's a pretty large file
23:36<bd_>irgeek: most don't, no
23:36<SelfishMan>For the record, Linode nameservers are referenced 10252 times in the .com TLD
23:36<bd_>if you're adding a sector at a time it's probably possible, metadata-wise
23:36<checkers>SelfishMan: are you just trying to get someone tl ask you how you got that?
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23:37<bd_>SelfishMan: I'll bite. How did you get a copy of the .com zone?
23:37<SelfishMan>checkers: No because most people in here already know that
23:37<SelfishMan>bd_: Sign and execute a zone file access agreement and you can grab a copy once a day
23:37<bd_>heh
23:37<checkers>they probably appear on piratebay these days
23:38<SelfishMan>checkers: Not likely as the data changes to fast so by the time it has any seeds it is already stale
23:38<SelfishMan>I'm sure you can find stale copies of the data
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23:38<checkers>yes, I know of at least one polace that serves diffs going back a few years
23:39<SelfishMan>.COM and .NET are reasonable but .US and .NAME are really poorly formatted. BIND will frequently choke on them even though they are technically BIND zone files
23:39<JoeK>how can i check how much space a folder is using?
23:39<mgoetze>JoeK: du
23:39<SelfishMan>JoeK: du
23:39<JoeK>i just paritioned my drive for 3gb more; and it mysteriously went up
23:39<JoeK>thanks
23:39<JoeK>D
23:39<SelfishMan>du hast
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23:39<SelfishMan>du hast mich
23:40<JoeK>what unit does it show in?
23:40<mgoetze>:)
23:40<checkers>with h it will tell you
23:40<mgoetze>blocks i think, but i always use du -h
23:40<SelfishMan>checkers: I'm curious what place is publishing those diffs as Verisign GRS will revoke access to the data for even thinking about doing that
23:40<dudeman>does linode charge a setup fee? or is it just the monthly rate?
23:40<bd_>SelfishMan: if BIND chokes on them, I suspect it's not really a BIND zone file :)
23:40<bd_>dudeman: No setup fees
23:41<SelfishMan>bd_: They are 'BIND compatible'
23:41<dudeman>bd_: cool thanks.. thought I saw some websites mentioning it
23:41<bd_>dudeman: Linode used to charge setup fees, years back
23:41<dudeman>bd_: gotcha
23:41<bd_>but at least for the last year there haven't been any
23:41<checkers>SelfishMan: it's scene, so I don't think they have ever noticed :)
23:41<SelfishMan>In capitalist America, Linode pays you!
23:42<bd_>SelfishMan: how big is the zone file? :)
23:42<SelfishMan>bd_: Which one?
23:42<bd_>.com I guess
23:42<SelfishMan>5.9GB uncompressed, 1.4GB compressed
23:42<phennessy>how many domains?
23:42<SelfishMan>about 40MB compressed in changes on average per day
23:42<bd_>hmm, somehow I expected something larger
23:43<checkers>consider how many bytes the average line is :)
23:43<SelfishMan>That actually includes all NS records too
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23:43<MarkJ>how many zones are there, 5 billion?
23:43<SelfishMan>Not even close
23:43<phennessy>how many that begine with "self"
23:43<MarkJ>with all the automated parking crap doesn't help either..
23:44*phennessy quits now
23:44<@irgeek>SelfishMan: How many include the word geek?
23:44<SelfishMan>Uh...Give me a minute
23:44<phennessy>or hour
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23:45<bd_>phennessy: nah grepping 5.6G doesn't take /that/ long
23:45<bd_>5-10 mins is reasonable
23:45<phennessy>unless you have 32G of ram!
23:45<MarkJ>create a script to import just the zones into a database :)
23:45<phennessy>which i don't, but i can see where it'd be useful
23:45<MarkJ>then try querying!
23:45<bd_>phennessy: if you can fit the entire file in RAM, sure, it's even faster :)
23:46<bd_>MarkJ: substring search isn't something most database schemas will help with
23:46<SelfishMan>I actually just moved around the last few zone files so I'm trying to find them
23:46<checkers>does linux allow caching of partial files into the disk cache?
23:46<SelfishMan>.COM TLD has 78,664,223 unique domains
23:46<bd_>checkers: partial files?
23:46<checkers>"part of a file"
23:46<bd_>the linux disk cache operates in units of pages
23:46<bd_>ie, 4kb blocks
23:46<phennessy>i'm surprised that file is so big for that many records
23:47<SelfishMan>36,955 domains under .COM contain 'geek'
23:47<MarkJ>yeah
23:47<bd_>... it might be able to go down to 512 byte blocks if you have a smaller filesystem block size
23:47<MarkJ>what about .net then?
23:47<bd_>not sure. it wouldn't be very efficient, as it still carves out a full page for it
23:47<SelfishMan>Substantially smaller zones
23:47<bd_>checkers: but anyway, yeah, it does do parts of files
23:47<checkers>ah ok. is a page a segment of a file, or a segment of the raw disk itself?
23:48<SelfishMan>About 218MB compressed for .NET containing 11,960,759 unique domains and 7,086 containing 'geek'
23:48<@irgeek>!calc (5.6 * 2^30) / 78,664,223
23:48<linbot>irgeek: (5.6 * (2^30)) / 78,664,223 = 76.4382331
23:48<checkers>how many with matching *porn*?
23:49<bd_>checkers: both!
23:49<@irgeek>76 bytes per domain seems reasonable to me...
23:49<phennessy>i guess so..
23:49<checkers>ah, heh
23:49<SelfishMan>There are many that are 000---------------------------------------------------*
23:49<SelfishMan>and similar
23:50<SelfishMan>137560 under .COM matching 'porn'
23:50<SelfishMan>77388 under .COM matching 'xxx'
23:51<phennessy>tube?
23:51<phennessy>probably not many
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23:52<checkers>mathinc tube.com more interesting
23:53<SelfishMan>59045 matching 'tube.com'
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23:58<SelfishMan>1288 containing 'urmom' and 245 containing 'ursister'
23:58<phennessy>heh
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