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---Logopened Sun Jan 11 00:00:00 2009
00:00<mwalling>vi: my issue is i keep window open too long, session times out, and when i log in, it cant get back where i was (it tries, but when it goes through te linode chooser, it loses its next step)
00:00<vi>that's totally lame
00:01<tsp>How often do you bring up the linode manager anyway?
00:01<vi>when I need to change something
00:01<vi>(not often)
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00:02<b4>every few weeks
00:02<DephNet[Paul]>hey spearson
00:03<tsp>When it comes down to linode vs slicehost, Linode wins at least bandwidth wise
00:04<mwalling>vi: they are working on the awesomely awesome linode backup solution (Duke Linode Forever), so i think other stuff has been demoted
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00:04<vi>that's a shame
00:05<b4>linode needs a datacenter in texas.
00:05<mwalling>b4: you're a moran
00:05<mwalling> <-- indicates control panel changes, maybe this suff will be in that push
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00:07<spearson>doesn't linode have a datecenter in dallas?
00:07<mwalling>spearson: yes
00:08<spearson>well, i knew the answer before i asked because the guy who referred me to linode has his server in dallas =\
00:09<mwalling>all of mine are dallas as well (i'd be in newark, but i CBA to move)
00:09<neale>my host's disk appears to be getting nailed by another linode again
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00:09<spearson>the one i have now is in newark and i lvoe it :P
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00:10<spearson>im thinking of expanding if i have the money :) linode is great
00:10<b4>the newark DC ftw
00:11<spearson>i live in New Jersey about 20 minutes from the datacenter, good stuff
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00:11<b4>i live in ohio
00:11<spearson> <- my isp
00:12<spearson>so THATS why :D
00:12<phennessy>Mmmmmm fiber
00:12<DephNet[Paul]>vi, just thinking, if the only reason for you canceling your account with Linode is because they have opted to use sessions in the Linode Manager then that means they are doing something right
00:12<phennessy>newark has been good to me
00:12<vi>how is that them doing something right?
00:12<DephNet[Paul]>besides, if you *did* add RAM to the wrong Linode why not take it off and add it to the right one?
00:13<vi>the same thing can (and almost did) happen to a shutdown
00:13<b4>mines currently
00:13<vi>if I'm doing operations on the wrong system
00:13<vi>that's more than just a little problem
00:13<b4>normally it's
00:13<DephNet[Paul]>vi, because your not canceling because of a problem with something other than the Linode Manager?
00:14<vi>that's the dumbest rational I've heard in a long time
00:14<DephNet[Paul]>vi, why?
00:15<mwalling>hes saying that there isnt an issue with your linode itsself... like a laggy disk, bad network, etc
00:15<mwalling>its simply an issue where the LPM is not "thread safe"
00:15<DephNet[Paul]>or are you saying there is a problem elsewhere but the issue of how caker coded the Linode Manager is head and shoulders above the others?
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00:16<vi>the way that the Linode Manager is written (or how it behaves) makes me question all other judgements that they've made in the rest of the system
00:16<DephNet[Paul]>vi, why? because its not how YOU would have done it?
00:17<dstufft>only caught the second half the conversation), then it should be fixed
00:17<vi>because there is not a single valid argument as to why it should be the way it is
00:17<dstufft>missed half my line there >.<
00:17<vi>it is not more intuitive
00:18<vi>it does not help prevent their customers from not making mistakes
00:19<DephNet[Paul]>vi, perhaps their customers, ie YOU, should check double check and triple check, what linode they are carrying the actions out on before confirming its the right Linode ;)
00:19<vi>dude, there's nothing to double-check
00:20<dstufft>the LPM is flawed from waht i hear
00:20<vi>if I hit the "shutdown" button on the first host after I've (in a different window) browser to a second host
00:20<vi>it will shutdown the second host, not the first one
00:20<vi>that's not the right thing to do
00:20<vi>it's just wrong
00:20<dstufft>but their human, people do things differently and imo its a bug
00:20<vi>not sort of confusing, or something the user should do
00:20<dstufft>and should be changed !
00:21<DephNet[Paul]>vi, if you hit the shutdown button it *should* throw up a box asking you to confirm its the right linode
00:21<mwalling>DephNet[Paul]: no
00:21<vi>dude. the answer is they need to be actually storing the object you're acting on in the URL
00:21<vi>not in a cookie (or in the session)
00:21<DephNet[Paul]>dstufft, how is it a bug? it would only be a bug if it didnt do what caker wanted it to do
00:21<spearson>is this channel about bashing Linode or is this just one of those moments? :\
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00:22*mwalling ignores DephNet[Paul] before he says something stupid.
00:22<dstufft>I think linode is great ^^
00:22<DephNet[Paul]>mwalling, perhaps thats what needs to happen :P
00:22<mwalling>spearson: vi discovered a "race condition" in the LPM
00:22<mwalling>DephNet[Paul]: not lke you're saying anything constructive
00:22<dstufft>but that doesn't mean i think they are gods and did everything right
00:23<mwalling>and when did google apps get a new favicon?
00:23<DephNet[Paul]>mwalling, why? because i dont agree with vi
00:23<DephNet[Paul]>mwalling, all of google has a new favicon
00:23<dstufft>i seriously doubt caker meant for the to to happen like that
00:23<mwalling>DephNet[Paul]: because you're essentially calling vi an idoit because he tried to work on two linodes at once
00:23<dstufft>to be able tos hutdown or modify a linode other then tthe one that is currently displayed ont hat page
00:23<mwalling>either that or i drank too much vodka
00:24<spearson>oh boy. Red Dawn is on Spike TV
00:25<Eman>just be happy you can even have multiple linodes per account
00:25<DephNet[Paul]>mwalling, did i? if i did then im sorry vi, but i cant see the problem, and yes I have worked on more than one linode at a time
00:26<mwalling>DephNet[Paul]: in two tabs?
00:26<dstufft><Eman> just be happy you can even have multiple linodes per account
00:26<DephNet[Paul]>mwalling, add a couple more and your a winner :P
00:26<mwalling>also, when you click reboot from the linode's tab, it just says "you sure"? the linodes name isnt in the alert box at all
00:27<DephNet[Paul]>mwalling, well, that needs changing, at the very least
00:27<dstufft>it would be better to change it so that the linode that the button should be acting on is part of the button
00:27<vi>it wouldn't even say the correct hostname if it was a popup
00:27<vi>because that would be via javascript, which would put the hostname that the user thought they were rebooting
00:28<dstufft>like if the button is submiting a form, use a hidden field that says the id of the linode
00:28<vi>but the object in the session may not match
00:28<DephNet[Paul]>vi, it could say the device name
00:28<mwalling>vi: right, cause CFM would generate the alert box text, then the session object as you moved around
00:28<mwalling>wow, you're fast
00:28<mwalling>or i'm drunk
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00:28<dstufft>only if it called via ajax to get the device name that is in the session
00:29<vi>which is 10 times more effort than just putting the info required in all of the URLs
00:29<dstufft>but it would be far superior to make the button do what you would suspect
00:29<dstufft>then to be like lol make sure you read this!
00:32<dstufft>mikegrb: mind if i send you a pm?
00:36<res0>mikegrb isn't actually there
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00:47<Peng_>Google has a new favicon? How new?
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00:48<jtsage>Peng_ - a few days. It was on the blog either yesterday or the day before
00:51<mwalling>'s favicon looks the same to me
00:51<mwalling>the google apps favicon is different
00:52<mwalling> !=
00:55<jtsage>huh. didn't realize. i pretty much never actually load the google homepage, so i wasn't paying attention.
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00:59<mwalling>https is the "new" one
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00:59<mwalling>(at least IMO)
01:00<res0>they're both new, mwalling
01:00<res0>or they are for me
01:00<mwalling>they the same for you?
01:00<res0>maybe you still have the old one cached
01:00<mwalling>i have the lowercase stylized g as my http: favico
01:01<res0>i have the multi-colored new thing
01:01<mwalling>i've only got that for https:
01:01<jtsage>huh. on a different machine, i have to new one. must have been cached here too :)
01:01<mwalling>and i've got a mail loop
01:01*mwalling glares at the vodka bottle
01:02<jtsage>pretty offtopic, but anybody running an old dell laptop by any chance? inspiron or something like that...
01:02<reillyeon>jtsage: inspiron 600m old enough?
01:03<jtsage>i'm curious why once or twice a day it hardlocks and the caps / num lock leds blink in unison... dunno if it's heat (not any hotter than usual, which isn't saying much), or some other problem
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01:03<mwalling>jtsage: how old?
01:03<reillyeon>jtsage: that
01:03<reillyeon>jtsage: that's a kernel panic, ACPI should offer a thermal sensor
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01:04<jtsage>mwalling: at a guess? 5-6yrs i think. barely runs ubuntu these days, but still works
01:04<reillyeon>jtsage: run memtest86+
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01:04<jtsage>reillyeon - i'll give that a shot
01:05<jtsage>if it finally dies, it's just going to provide the motivation i need to replace it. pure web / irc / ssh machine these days
01:05<reillyeon>When mine overheats (leave it on in a backpack, oops) it shuts itself off.
01:06<jtsage>yeah, this one does that sometimes too :)
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01:07<jtsage>never occured to me to check memory. not sure why. i had it open recently too, wonder if one of them isn't seated quite right...
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01:07<jtsage>(or i managed to zap it, etc, etc)
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01:17<Peng_> is new to me. http isn't.
01:17<Peng_>It's neat.
01:17<Peng_>Ehh, I still like the old one better though, but maybe that's just cuz I'm used to it.
01:23<Solver>Peng_: reminds of a Picasso
01:25<mwalling>mail loop recovered
01:25*mwalling wonders if he should cut over his MXs
01:25<Peng_>"mail loop"?
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01:26<mwalling>Peng_: mail routing loop... i had a ~/.forward that was pointing to, which was aliased to mwalling, wich pointed to that .forward, and so on
01:27*phennessy prepares da bomb
01:27<mwalling>i fixed it asshole
01:27<emag>someone set up us the bomb?
01:28<mwalling>address extensions good... woot
01:28<phennessy>i was just going to do while (1) mail mwalling
01:30<CaptObviousman>hmm, is only if you use one of their domains, huh?
01:30<mwalling>caker: can we get checkboxes in the DNS manager so we can check off a buncha records and delete them in one go?
01:31<mwalling>CaptObviousman: doing what now?
01:32<CaptObviousman>mwalling: well I'm in a new place now, so the domain name previously attached to my broadband server might change
01:32<CaptObviousman>just considering my options for how best to track any changes automatically
01:32<CaptObviousman>err, domain name won't change. IP I mean
01:33<mwalling>problem solved
01:34<vi>there are people out there using git that don't use github?
01:35<phennessy>you need to savedomain
01:36<mwalling>vi: yes?
01:36<phennessy>yea, mike's script doesn't do a domainSave at the end
01:36<mwalling>phennessy: its not built into his script?
01:36<phennessy>no, i think he forgot
01:36<phennessy>i was going to submit a cpan bug for him :)
01:36<phennessy>but i figured he knew from some other forum stuff
01:37<phennessy>see line 84 of mine
01:37<phennessy>just copy line 69 and 84
01:37<mwalling>domainUpdate calls domainSave
01:37<phennessy>oh really
01:38<phennessy>i dunno, i just saw something on the forum about it showing up in the linode manager but when you viewed the zone file it wasn't..
01:39<phennessy>eh w/e
01:39<phennessy>too late for me to care
01:39<mwalling>command line email client recomendations?
01:39<mwalling>i'm about to re-try mutt, willing to look elsewhere
01:40<vi>mutt is pretty great
01:40*CaptObviousman was always partial to pine
01:40<phennessy>i've never used mutt.. only elm and then pine
01:40<CaptObviousman>but only because that's what I used first
01:40<phennessy>we put alpine on our replacement shell server at $work
01:41<CaptObviousman>do dns dynamic updates also happen on port 53, or is there a sideband port it uses?
01:41<CaptObviousman>BIND, I should specify
01:41<phennessy>it uses tcp when the packets are too big for udp
01:41<phennessy>there are some options to force it to use a certain port i think
01:42<CaptObviousman>because there's no reason I couldn't save my linode's rndc key locall and just use that to do it
01:43<mwalling>i think i need to scratch my muttrc and start over
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01:50<phennessy>he hasn't done any commits after that
01:52<mwalling>oh... hmm
01:53<phennessy>i dunno if there is something else going on.. it'd be nice to see what mike thinks
01:53<phennessy>just something to look for if it doesn't work as expected
01:59<jtsage>huh. every time i do this i say the same thing... don't leave the freebsd system for 8mos without updates. it's a real bear when I finally get around to it.
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03:09*SelfishMan mumbles something in russian
03:12<SelfishMan>I can't believe PowerBeam is still trying to peddle their wares at CES
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03:44<SelfishMan>MySQL has a SLEEP() function? Why?
03:45<zxvf>for sleeping
03:46<bd_>Because you don't have enough load on your sql server without threads being tied up sleeping
03:48<SelfishMan>I'm pretty sure any every language you can use to query MySQL has a sleep function
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03:48<bd_>Ah, but what if you wanted your stored procedures to poll the database for some condition to be true?
03:48<SelfishMan>Sounds like the wrong way to do it. That's what triggered events are for.
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03:49<bd_>SelfishMan: I'm just trying to think like a mysql user ;)
03:50<SelfishMan>I've never used a stored procedure in MySQL or a trigger event so I'm not even sure they are supported
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05:23<linbot>New news from forums: Monitoring my IP for inclusion on SPAM Blacklists in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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05:44<agentbleubleu>SelfishMan: Mysql supports stored procedures with the new mysqli
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06:19<notserpe>are there any ops around?
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06:26<seangrove>hey all, on a new ubuntu install with apache2, I'm getting an error [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts, whenever starting or restarting apache
06:27<seangrove>but I'm pretty sure I have a matching virtual host - it's a very simple file anyway
06:27<notserpe>and? you have no vhosts setup?
06:27<seangrove>to be honest, I'm not sure
06:27<seangrove>let me paste my sites-enabled
06:27<notserpe>pastbin it.
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06:29<seangrove>either I mistyped something, or I'm misunderstanding how to setup a virtual host :P
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06:30<dc24>The "recieved by" header of the mails I send from my linode are as follows: "Received: from localhost ([something] [my ip address]) " That "localhost" part gets me listed on the cbl blocking list. How can I change that?
06:30<notserpe>you don't have your hostname setup.
06:30<notserpe>and it would help to have reverse DNS setup properly as well.
06:31<dc24>it is set in /etc/hosts
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06:31<notserpe>your mta is reporting it's name as localhost then I guess.
06:32<dc24>notserpe: any idea how to fix that?
06:32<dc24>mta is postfix btw
06:32<notserpe>have you sshd in and confirmed the hostname is set...?
06:32<dc24>yeah, it is set in /etc/hosts. Anywhere else I need to set it?
06:33<notserpe>you don't setup your hostname only in /etc/hosts but some distro specific place... run "hostname" on the commandline to see if it's set
06:33<StevenK>myhostname in /etc/postfix/ as well
06:35<notserpe>but if your hostname is setup correctly you shouldn't need to override in
06:36<dc24>StevenK, your solution worked.
06:36<notserpe>but your hostname is still probably not set correctly.
06:36<dc24>notserpe, when I try "hostname" it returns "ubuntu"
06:36<StevenK>dc24: You should do both
06:37<dc24>so how to set it correctly?
06:37<notserpe>what distro?
06:37<StevenK>It needs to be set in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
06:38<StevenK>Then see if the 'hostname' command returns the right name
06:38<dc24>I've set it in /etc/hostname, but "hostname" still returns "ubuntu". Any daemons I should restart?
06:39<StevenK>Try running 'hostname <newhostname>' ?
06:40<dc24>That worked. Does that mean "hostname" writes to somewhere else?
06:40<notserpe>on system startup the initscripts set the hostname using the hostname command
06:41<notserpe>so under ubuntu /etc/hostname is set at startup with the hostname command in a script
06:41<dc24>oh, I see...
06:41<dc24>well, thanks guys.
06:41<notserpe>dnsdomainname is something else to checkup
06:42<seangrove>thank you notserpe, I appreciate your help
06:43<notserpe>no probs.
06:46<notserpe>dc24: you probably want to go into your linode config and setup forward/reverse DNS for your machine as well.
06:50<dc24>well, I have multiple domains on the same IP, is setting rDNS practical?
06:51<notserpe>I guess you live with default linode rDNS
06:52<dc24>Would that cause any problems with cbl, spamhause etc.?
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07:06<notserpe>anyone know what time the ops usually show up in the morning EST?
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07:13<seangrove>hey guys, how should I modify my terminal to make bash run under ssh-agent?
07:13<seangrove>is the best way to edit /etc/profile?
07:19<seangrove>ah, this is on remote login via ssh
07:19<seangrove>I suppose that changes things?
07:20<seangrove>heh, alright, I suppose I should then :D
07:20<seangrove>just learning here
07:20<seangrove>want to make sure I'm doing things right
07:21<seangrove>well, I'm actually setting up rails/capistrano to automate the deploy process - capistrano ssh in, then connects to github and pulls down a shallow copy and places it in the appropriate places
07:22<seangrove>when it connects to github, it uses ssh, and it prompts me for the password of the user on the linode server
07:22<seangrove>well, nevermind that ;)
07:22<seangrove>I was trying to automate it so it didn't ask me for the password
07:22<seangrove>has to be ssh
07:22<seangrove>but if it's a big security risk, I can just type in the password!
07:22<seangrove>github only supports pulling in changes via ssh
07:23<seangrove>ket me check
07:23<praetorian>that seems total fail
07:23<seangrove>ah, no, it can do it over http, but it's very slow apparently
07:23<seangrove>that's alright
07:24<seangrove>I'll just type in my password, I hadn't realized it was a security issue
07:24<praetorian>well you are thinking worse case
07:24<praetorian>if someone compromises it ...
07:24<seangrove>well, I generated the keys on the server, and it's only used to authenticate for one user on github
07:24<seangrove>ah, ok
07:24<seangrove>I'll remove it then
07:26<seangrove>alright, sounds good
07:26<seangrove>glad to see I wasn't too crazy to think I should use a one-use key for server-side
07:27<seangrove>thanks everyone
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08:05<snowfell>hi, a while ago, my ext3 partition got corrupted because of some xen bug and i had to change the block size to prevent it from happening again, but today i got this error:
08:05<snowfell>Jan 10 22:11:24 rexl kernel: swapper: page allocation failure. order:0, mode:0x20
08:06<snowfell>is this the same xen bug but with my swap?
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08:07<snowfell>the kernel also seem to have dumped a stack trace and lots of other info about memory
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08:18<chesty>put the staxk trace, ec, in a support ticket
08:20<snowfell>ah, good idea :)
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08:57<FFEMTcJ>anyone know how to connect to my linode's ftp via windows explorer? i can't install an ftp program on this system, and typing ftp://user@ip says its connected, but it doesnt show anything in the window
08:58<straterra>are there...any files in the directory?
08:58*seangrove chuckles
08:59<FFEMTcJ>i dont know what folder its putting me in... but i created a new folder in explorer and then looked for the folder, and it wasnt there looking with ssh
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09:00<HoopyCat>it'll usually start at the home directory for the user, i believe
09:00<FFEMTcJ>HoopyCat: thats what i thought too.. but there are files there... and they arent showing up
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09:03<FFEMTcJ>looks like it might have finally worked today
09:03<FFEMTcJ>wasnt yesterday
09:03<HoopyCat>FFEMTcJ: hmm, same thing's doin' for me using firefox as the FTP client and... whatever FTP server is installed on the other box here. however, using the windows command line ftp client puts me in the right place...
09:03<FFEMTcJ>thanks HoopyCat
09:04<HoopyCat>carry winscp on a USB fob :-)
09:09<straterra>im preeeeetty sure i got drunk last night
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09:11<HoopyCat>straterra: you're dehydrated, headachy, sore, and very cold from sleeping on the bare floor of the stable? yeah, been there, done that
09:12<abysed>im pretty sure im drunk right now
09:13<straterra>not all that
09:13<straterra>im headache
09:13<straterra>no soreness...and quite warm
09:13<straterra>I'm PRETTY sure I'm still a little drunk too
09:14<straterra>i was doing double shots of patron
09:14*FFEMTcJ needs somethin new to learn about and play with
09:15<HoopyCat>i had about three beers last night, which'll give me a decent buzz, then make me very tired, then make me feel groggy when i wake up. i think i'm getting old.
09:15<FFEMTcJ>trying to learn about them is a waste of time because it isnt possible... and i played about 4 hours ago
09:15<abysed>im about done with my 4th corona, also had a shot of captain and bacardi 151
09:15<straterra>i dont really do beers
09:15<straterra>takes too many to do anything
09:16<straterra>i had beers...14 shots of jose gold
09:16<abysed>i feel more off 3 beers than 3 shots
09:16<straterra>2 double shots of patron...
09:16<straterra>and i think 12 capn and cokes
09:17<abysed>guessing you drink daily?
09:17<straterra>a little bit, yes
09:18<abysed>too much of a tolerance i think
09:18<HoopyCat>shots and me don't get along any more, alas
09:18<straterra>i dont drink that much
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09:19<HoopyCat>i used to do the whole come-home-from-work-and-start-swigging-a-bottle-of-vodka thing, but then i hit legal drinking age. now it's beer, and usually a variety thereof.
09:20<straterra>i'm of legal drinking age
09:20<HoopyCat>some beers i'd drink even if they weren't alcoholic
09:21<straterra>the whole fucking world was wobbly last night
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09:22<HoopyCat>looks like it's almost 9:30am
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09:22-!-mode/#linode [+i] by caker
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09:22<straterra>it is
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09:23<HoopyCat>the akill expiration time should be adjusted so the akills expire at, like, 3am or something
09:23<abysed>i threw up a shot of 151 earlier this week, not so fun
09:23<HoopyCat>abysed: you shoulda lit your vomit on fire. that woulda been SWEEEEET
09:23<abysed>it felt like it already was
09:23<abysed>i had a sore throat well into the next day
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09:23<straterra>i havent vomited :D
09:24-!-mode/#linode [-i] by caker
09:24<abysed>on my 5th beer now, feeling good :-D
09:25<HoopyCat>off to get underway with the day, bbl
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09:32<CaptObviousman>it's way too early to drink yaknow
09:33<CaptObviousman>they say if you drink before noon, you're definitely an alcoholic
09:33<CaptObviousman>I always say back "It's figgin 9pm in Malaysia, leave me alone"
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09:47<FFEMTcJ>abysed: my daughter just threw up some yogart and eggs
09:47<Yaakov>FFEMTcJ: Thanks for sharing!
09:48<Yaakov>FFEMTcJ: For the record, that was probably the wrong sort of thing to share, though. Try something *cute*.
09:48<FFEMTcJ>i was just lettin abysed know he's not the only one
09:49<Yaakov>FFEMTcJ: I have six, each of them passed through the "emittting processed or partially processed food violently and into the wrong places
09:49<Yaakov>" phase.
09:50<FFEMTcJ>we are visiting nana and papa and yesterday she decided she wanted to go running into the ocean... without help... she's 3
09:53<FFEMTcJ>whats somethin that would be fun to install and learn about?
09:53<Yaakov>FFEMTcJ: What do you use for version control?
09:54<FFEMTcJ>i dont use anything causei dont really develop.. i just have some websites
09:55<Yaakov>FFEMTcJ: Versiojn control is GREAT for websites.
09:55<Yaakov>Version, too.
09:55<Yaakov>Install subversion! (Ignore the git weenies!)
09:55<FFEMTcJ>i have it instlled..
09:55<Yaakov>Learn it then!
09:55<laser`>I quite like Subversion too
09:55<FFEMTcJ>and i tried doing it..
09:55<Yaakov>Oh don't be a quitter!
09:55<FFEMTcJ>but i found it to be a pita
09:56<CaptObviousman>sooooo question
09:56*CaptObviousman does a wait-one-sec and goes to check the website first
09:57<Yaakov>FFEMTcJ: Which OS do you use on the desktop?
09:57<FFEMTcJ>for a few reasons... i use wordpress.. so keeping plugins updated and such using only one DB was hard.. maybe just cause i dont know how to do it..
09:57<Yaakov>I am guessing that is an Ubuntu version...
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09:58<Yaakov>Well... let's see...
09:58<Yaakov>What do you use for backups?
09:59<Yaakov>I mean of anything (site, etc.)
09:59<FFEMTcJ>rsnapshot to a backup server in PA
10:00<FFEMTcJ>eventually im gonna setup a backup server at home.. i have the server, just need the time
10:00<FFEMTcJ>why rdiff-backup vs rsnapshot?
10:01*Yaakov remembers to install Tortoise SVN on this Vista machine...
10:01<FFEMTcJ>what does reverse incrementals mean
10:02<FFEMTcJ>ok.. thats what rsnapshot does too
10:03<CaptObviousman>... ok that's really useful
10:03<CaptObviousman>and rdiff-backup is the tool that does this?
10:03*CaptObviousman writes that down
10:03<FFEMTcJ>i think with rsnapshot the oldest backup is the "full" one and the newer ones have the diffs
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10:05<FFEMTcJ>id have to see if rdiff is on my backup server.. i cant install anything on it...
10:05<FFEMTcJ>i guess im goin fishing.. bbl
10:06<FFEMTcJ>if you want to look at it with me later we can...
10:06<FFEMTcJ>id be fine with that
10:06<FFEMTcJ>using my knowledge.. can't is correct
10:07<FFEMTcJ>off to go fishing.. maybe ill get lunch
10:11<CaptObviousman>well, if you decided to install all the compilation tools on your linode
10:11<CaptObviousman>well, more power to you
10:11*CaptObviousman kept them off
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10:21<Yaakov>(Tortoise SVN)++ # Very nice.
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11:22<b4>4.1 surround
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11:39<axod>hi it looks like my vps is being attacked
11:39<axod>anyone from linode about?
11:40<@caker>what do you mean?
11:40<axod>hey caker, it *looks* like dos attack,
11:40<axod>massive bandwidth spike :/
11:40<axod>anything you've seen?
11:41<@caker>I'm not seeing any bandwidth spikes on our end
11:41<axod>hmm ok, I'll keep investigating. Thanks anyway,
11:43<b4>axod, maybe you got hit with the bandwith meter bug
11:44<axod>nah it's something freaky
11:45<axod>caker: any ideas on getting a quick stat of incomming+outgoing connections?
11:45<FFEMTcJ>fishing sucks today
11:45<axod>I remember formulating something before, cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack | awk.... :/
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11:49<HIghoS>axod: netstat? netstat -anp
11:49<laser`>netstat -an | wc -l?
11:49<chopp>axod: vnstat is good.
11:50<axod>netstat works on linode yay.... on slicehost it puts the ipv4 address in an ipv6 format and slices the end off it
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11:53<FFEMTcJ>axod: did you move to linode too?
11:55<axod>most things
11:55<FFEMTcJ>I did too.. my issue was mostly the lack of BW with SH
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11:58<axod>yeah they charge way too much for bandwidth
11:59<axod>when I asked if there was something better they could do, they just replied "Buy more servers"
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12:02<FFEMTcJ>axod: exactlly
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12:18<HoopyCat>"Why don't you just add a pulley to the existing electric motor to drive an alternator to recharge the batteries as you drive? No need to ever recharge."
12:19*b4 hands HoopyCat a treadmill motor
12:20<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I did that and it worked but a drone aircraft exploded my car with a missle.
12:20<@mikegrb>Yaakov: weird that happened to my water powered car
12:20<@mikegrb>I thought it was just a fluke
12:21<Yaakov>mikegrb: It's just a coinciedence.
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12:21<HoopyCat>yeah, i've totally had to switch back to gasoline since the unfortunate melamine incident illnessed my hamsters
12:22<Yaakov>HoopyCat: No missile?
12:23<HoopyCat>Yaakov: no, but the guano tank did somehow spring a leak and corrode the torque multiplier before i could bring it back into the lab
12:23<Yaakov>Oh, they used the laser.
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12:24<Yaakov>Bleh. My iPhone got caught in my lounge chair mechanism.
12:25<Yaakov>It now has a very neat crease in one side perpendicular to the face.
12:26<Yaakov>It looks intentional, at lease.
12:26<HoopyCat>these newfangled fancypants phones seem so fragile
12:27<Yaakov>Fragile? I was squished in a chair pantograph.
12:28<Yaakov>Err.. It.
12:28<Yaakov>I wasn't.
12:28<HoopyCat>x-axis: time y-axis: number of pants installed
12:28<HoopyCat>0 **************************
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12:32<Yaakov>I just got an important notice from Washington Mutual! I'd better read it right away!! Wait a minute... Just a darned minute here, I don't have an account with them!
12:33<Yaakov>Something is fishy about this!
12:33<HoopyCat>New news from forums: We lost all of your passwords, pls enter them on this website !! Sry :-( <>
12:34<HoopyCat>SpaceHobo: same graph works, just change y-axis to "number of pantomimists installed"
12:35<HoopyCat>Yaakov: sorry, i still use uuencode
12:36*Yaakov s/mime encrypts HoopyCat and "loses" the passphrase.
12:36*HoopyCat haxx NSA key escrow server
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12:39<Yaakov>Does gmail support PGP/GPG?
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12:39<HoopyCat>not natively. i use thunderbird and IMAP to do my GPG magic
12:39<phennessy>Yaakov: would you want to upload your private keyfile to gmail?
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12:40<Yaakov>phennessy: I wouldn't want to upload ANYTHING to gmail.
12:40<Yaakov>But mostly I was talking about signature verification.
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12:41<phennessy>i think you'd need to use an imap client
12:41<HoopyCat>oh, sons of bitches, they paid interest on the mortgage escrow account (which is atypically flush this year). not enough to make a difference, but just enough to require more paperwork
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12:48*mwalling grumbles
12:48<Yaakov>Hello, mwalling.
12:49<HoopyCat>c'mon. $10.82. what the hell.
12:53<axod>caker: turned out to be mysql had gone to100% for some reason, even tho it wasn't doing anything. Starved everything of cpu, which meant a ton of sessions created :/
12:53*axod hits mysql with a large hammer
12:57*HoopyCat hits Joe Buck with a large hammer
12:58*mwalling hits HoopyCat with a large hammer
12:58<Northwood>is there some program i can install to offer ssh but chrooted to its own dir?
12:58<mwalling>Northwood: ssh?
12:58<HoopyCat>and troy "dude, joe... we're in HD now, you don't have to snuggle quite that close..." aikman, of course
12:58<mwalling>Northwood: rtfmp, kthx
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12:59<Northwood>i get a read thanks
12:59<mwalling>look at the ChrootDirectory directive in sshd_config(5)
13:00<Northwood>yes but im still installing atm in ace
13:00<mwalling>you can use Match to only enable some directives on certain users, groups, source ip addresses, etc
13:01<Northwood>and make their directory on another drive?
13:01<Northwood>yes yes i know
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13:02<mwalling>i've never used it, i just know it exists in sshd_config(5)
13:02<Northwood>i'm so lazy :)
13:02<HoopyCat>mwalling: what's the state-of-the-art these days with regards providing a fairly complete environment inside a chroot? (i.e. rm, mv, perl, python, etc)
13:03<Yaakov>Our cats do not get along. It is sad.
13:03<mwalling>HoopyCat: find, xargs, and rm)
13:03<HoopyCat>mwalling: ooh snap
13:03<mwalling>HoopyCat: i dont chroot, i trust my users
13:04<HoopyCat>i trust my users, and i also verify their physical location and pay a few guys in suits to show up after they log in
13:04<HoopyCat><3 plugin for sshd
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13:04<mwalling>Northwood: another nifty directive set: ForceCommand... look that up in sshd_config(5)
13:05<Northwood>i will but first need to figure out the structure of the disk itself i guess
13:05<Northwood>the partitions
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13:05<mwalling>there, no excuses not to read
13:06<HoopyCat>mwalling: that available via gopher? can't get lynx working on my vt52
13:06<mwalling>HoopyCat: i dont run a gopherd
13:06<HoopyCat>"And the wind knocks the football... off the tee."
13:06<Northwood>OpenSSH SSH daemon configuration file ok its on screen
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13:06<mwalling>(although it would be neat to
13:07<Yaakov>I need kermit access.
13:07<Yaakov>This looks reasonable:
13:12<Northwood>now would i ask linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf or linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
13:12<Northwood>or better rtm?
13:12<Northwood>its just that certain software is compiled for another kernel right?
13:13<HoopyCat>Northwood: are you using pv-grub?
13:14<Northwood>im just "learning" playing with linux debian on ACE to see what works
13:15<mwalling>i see ace and i think academic computing enviroment
13:15<Northwood>no its vmware
13:15<Northwood>can make a little package and works on itself
13:15<HoopyCat>ok, so not on a linode. ignore me then ;-)
13:16<Northwood>no i will only change something on linode after i have it working
13:16<Northwood>the last time i did without with roundcube i wreaked havoc
13:16<Northwood>that or someone else did
13:18<Northwood>on linode its more easy also as caker created the best kernel for me to use
13:19<mwalling>i wonder if you could take a windows host, run linux in a vmware image as a dom0, run another linux as a domU, then run a uml inside that domU
13:20<Northwood>i think so, but on the forum i read its not working
13:20<HoopyCat>mwalling: if so, i recommend running wine under uml ;-)
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13:21<Northwood>i have tried once to run it on linode and failed
13:22<phennessy>vmware hates xen
13:22<Northwood>for windows i better install esxi on a dedicated
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13:25<Northwood>w2k8 had its new option to run without gui, but it looked strange for a windows
13:26<Northwood>always wonder what a windows system is sending to that microsoft.csi server
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13:43<b4>eww windows
13:43<b4>mwalling, hahaha the virtualization recursion
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13:49<Tijuas>is there a politics channel on OFTC?
13:50<Tijuas>Tired of niigggers and their general monkeyshines? Then join the multiracial alliance against the golliwogs, darkies, jigaboos, etc! Chimpout welcomes Asians, Whites, Indians, Native Americans, Jews, non-negroid Hispanics, and anybody else that isn't negroid. The Alliance of Humans vs Niiiggggers
13:52<mwalling>Northwood: dont.
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13:53<tsp>I take it he got kicked?
13:53<mwalling>tsp: killed
13:54<mwalling>autokilled: You are not welcome here. If you feel an error has been made, blah blah
13:54<TheFirst>seems to be a lot more spammers than usual lately
13:55<tsp>he didn't even get the site right, it redirects to .org
13:55<mwalling>TheFirst: its winter break... its like eternal september
13:55<TheFirst>fair enough
13:56<Yaakov>Just killed/glined him on EFNet as well.
13:56<Yaakov>He's been doing that on and off.
13:56<mwalling>the mexican water must be worse then usual
13:56<Northwood>good system
13:58<HoopyCat>Yaakov: but teh free speech!!
13:59<Yaakov>He got his money's worth. Technically, I glined him for the spamming not the content.
14:02<Yaakov>The sad part is I am sure the spamming drives traffic to his site.
14:06<Yaakov>Why don't Go Daddy codes work in the Linode shopping cart?! My domains are registered with Go Daddy!
14:06<HoopyCat>there's a linode shopping cart?
14:07*HoopyCat steals linode shopping card and loads it up with bottles
14:07<Pryon>linode shopping carts explode if they leave the parking lot
14:07<Yaakov>This is an Intenet outrage! More big corporations stiking it to Joe Consumer!
14:08<HoopyCat>the self-disabling shopping carts have finally appeared in this area... i was tempted to see what'd happen, but the parking lot was big and the weather cold
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14:09<Pryon>Most shopping carts I pick are already self disabled, apparently
14:09<Pryon>squeak! squeak! squeak!
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14:10<HoopyCat>wegmans has started deploying these "mini-carts"... two levels, half the length of a standard cart. my wife and i each take one and it works out quite well, i find.
14:11<saurabh>anybody serving django app with nginx_mod_wsgi?
14:12<HoopyCat>saurabh: you've described the exact opposite of my setup, alas, but someone else around probably does
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14:12<saurabh>the mod_wsgi module for nginx hasnt been updated from march 08, seems dead
14:15<HoopyCat>note to next-door neighbor: pls refrain from pointing snowthrower discharge at our windows, thx
14:15<Yaakov>HoopyCat: ut you can ride around in the cart while your wife pushes any more!
14:15<HoopyCat>wrrr, wrrrr, wrrr, wrrrrr, wrrWHUMP! WHUMP! WHUMP! WHUMP! WHUMP!
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14:27<iobright>Anyone having trouble connecting to the Newark datacenter?
14:27<HoopyCat>holy crap, you can subscribe to receive 6 pounds of velveeta every month via
14:27<HoopyCat>iobright: looks ok from here; which host are you on?
14:27<jkwood>HoopyCat: Thank you for that useless and completely awesome bit of trivia. My life is enriched.
14:28<iobright>HoopyCat: newark50
14:28<HoopyCat>jkwood: no problem
14:28<mwalling>iobright: mtr
14:28<linbot>mwalling: "mtr" could be mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows.
14:28<HoopyCat>iobright: host looks up and reachable from here. could you pastebin the output of mtr or traceroute?
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14:29<HoopyCat>jkwood: actually, now that you mention it... this is twitter-worthy
14:30<mwalling>iobright: i've got 0 loss from dallas
14:31<mwalling>iobright: i've got 20% loss from dallas to the ip you're connected to oftc from somwhere near roadrunner's chicago router
14:32<eld101>yaakov: lol
14:32<HoopyCat>iobright,mwalling: i have 0% packet loss to from roadrunner in upstate NY. hmm
14:32<mwalling>HoopyCat: i'm too lazy to get on one of the machiens downstairs
14:33<HoopyCat>nothing good ever happens in chicago
14:33<iobright>It might be my own linode not working. the site I'm trying to reach is; I'm getting a Network Timeout. I'm installing mtr now.
14:34<HoopyCat>iobright: indeed, not pingable from here... time to lish in :-)
14:34<mwalling>what HoopyCat said
14:35<mwalling> 9. 0.0% 10 40.2 40.2 40.0 40.6 0.2
14:35<mwalling> 10. ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
14:36<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Watch that 'tube, man!
14:36<HoopyCat>Yaakov: it's almost halftime
14:36<Yaakov>It's very short.
14:37<HoopyCat>Yaakov: i'm going to go shave right now
14:37<iobright>I opened Lish and it says "Out of Memory: Kill process 2 (migration/0) score 0 and children. "
14:37<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Heh.
14:37<Yaakov>The poor announcer doesn't know what to say.
14:37<HoopyCat>iobright: you ran out of memory and the kernel chose the wrong process to mess with
14:38<HoopyCat>now it IS halftime and i need to go start some bread a'raisin'. after i shave. bbiab
14:38<bd_>.... wow. does killing kernel threads even work?!
14:38<mwalling>bd_: aparently not ;)
14:39<iobright>also looks like my CPU % went up to 382% about an hour ago.. maybe a hit in traffic or something
14:41<iobright>eld101: oom caused cpu spike?
14:42<eld101>iobright: it happend to me
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14:42<iobright>are you hosted from Newark too?
14:43<mwalling>your datacenter has nothing to do with the behavior of your system when oomkiller strikes
14:43<mwalling>its how the kernel behaves
14:43<iobright>ok, so this wasn't caused by my linode?
14:43<mwalling>no, it was
14:44<mwalling>you ran out of memory
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14:44<eld101>io: what services do you run?
14:45<iobright>apache, mysql, nginx, maybe some others.. pretty much anything I need for web development.
14:46<iobright>I haven't researched how to optimize server resources
14:46<eld101>thats a good place to start
14:46<eld101>you are on a 360 I'm assuming?
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14:48<mwalling>there are /proc/sys/kernel/ switches you can set to cause your linode to panic when it runs out of memory
14:48<mwalling>when that happens, your linode will shut down, and lassie will detect such and reboot
14:48<mwalling>that way you're in a more predictable state then with the oom killer
14:49<iobright>I tried to reboot the linode and Lish says: VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly.
14:49<iobright>Freeing unused kernel memory: 204k freed
14:49<iobright>Warning: unable to open an initial console.
14:49<mwalling>do you have the helpers turned off in the configuration profile?
14:52<iobright>I don't know what those are. I haven't messed with them since I booted up for the first time.
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15:03<HoopyCat>Yaakov: just ordered an 80m transceiver kit for PSK31 use
15:05<HoopyCat>Yaakov: you could call it that, i suppose...
15:07<Yaakov>Yes. SDR.
15:09<HoopyCat>figure i might as well order it, as i kinda went for the upgrade after seeing this kit
15:09<HoopyCat>all it was doing was sitting on the left end of my tab bar, showing up in random ctrl-tab failures
15:10<jkwood>So when you taking the test?
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15:12<jkwood>I was going to bring my VE along and track you down if you couldn't find someplace to test. Congratulations! =D
15:12<HoopyCat>jkwood: it's all-you-can-pass for one low fee, so i went for /AE while i was there... missed by one
15:13<Yaakov>jkwood: I need to upgrade now, I can't have the young whippersnapper showing me up.
15:14<Yaakov>My problem is all the normal test sessions are on Saturday here, and that won't work. There should be at least one on-Campus session I can get on Sunday, I hope.
15:14<jkwood>HoopyCat: Well hey, maybe next time. The main thing that held me back was the antenna modeling stuff.
15:14<jkwood>Yaakov: All our testing sessions are on Sunday. :)
15:14<HoopyCat>jkwood: there seems to be less of that in the new version
15:15<HoopyCat>ontario county public safety training facility, first wednesday of the month, 7pm :-)
15:15<jkwood>Oh, that's right. I snuck in on the last version... but I only had the previous version of the book to study XD
15:17<HoopyCat>jkwood: almost no rules and procedures stuff, a lot of "a johnson-ibex diode, compared to an inverse zener diode, has the following advantages in variable frequency situations" stuff where i just guessed, and a bit of the good ol' find-the-impedence and how-long-to-discharge-the-capacitor stuff i know and love
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15:18<jkwood>Absolutely. You have a huge advantage over me on that... 90% of what I know of electronics theory comes from studying for my ticket.
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15:19<HoopyCat>jkwood: the element pool can't even come CLOSE to a frickin' ELT121 final exam. i didn't even need to take a sandwich break.
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15:26<jkwood>Sandwich break... Good idea.
15:26<steve__>my lish console appears to be frozen. any support people around that could take a look at it?
15:26-!-steve__ is now known as sz
15:26*jkwood sets irgeek on fire
15:26<Yaakov>jkwood: I am guessing that your test sessions are not in striking distance for me.
15:27<jkwood>Eldon, Missouri?
15:27<Yaakov>Well, if I left on a Thursday...
15:28<Yaakov>But seriously, I am going to hit the first session and go for Extra.
15:28<sz>or should i just open a support ticket?
15:28<jkwood>sz: That's the fastest way to get their attention.
15:28<sz>i screwed up my default route so i'm completely offline now
15:28<@caker>sz: if it's totally frozen, unfortunately there's not much we can do
15:29<Yaakov>I have had my ticket for more than 20 years. Got it at the MIT VE.
15:29<jkwood>ACtually, the fastest way to get their attention is for me to ping the wrong admin.
15:29<@caker>we're still trying to work through it and/or get newer kernels working which so far aren't affected in the same way
15:30<sz>caker: ok. a hard reboot shouldn't be too painful.
15:30<Yaakov>Howdy, caker.
15:30<sz>or does "shutdown" do an OS shutdown?
15:30<sz>from the linode manager.
15:30<@caker>it falls back to a hard shutdown after 2.5 minutes
15:31<@caker>is the entire Linode frozen, or just the console?
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15:31<jkwood>Yaakov: I've had mine for 11 now. Quite a bit has changed.
15:31<sz>caker: i accidently entered a default route change for my linode instead of another server. typed in the wrong xterm. :)
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15:31<jkwood>caker: <3
15:31<@caker>sz: ah.
15:32<mwalling>you try control q? or what ever you need for flow control?
15:32<mwalling>(just in case?)
15:32<Yaakov>jkwood: Yes. Originaly only the code keptme from upgrading. I missed being grnadfathered in the rule change by two months. :(
15:32<sz>mwalling: i didn't, but it's too late now. rebooting..
15:32-!-mode/#linode [-i] by caker
15:33<jkwood>Heh... I actually intended on upgrading to General just before the code went away. I missed the test session because I didn't have a copy of my license. >.<
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15:35<Yaakov>When I gotmy ticket I had to have 5WPM plus the tech/general exam. If I'd done 13, I'd have beena General. Oh well.
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15:36<jkwood>Yeah, that always messed with my head.
15:38<Yaakov>I don't like this keyboard. Combined with the ssh lag... bleh.
15:38<jkwood>Well heck... I suppose I should work on my antenna situation so I can get back on the air and harass HoopyCat.
15:39<Yaakov>jkwood: Load up your plumbing!
15:39<HoopyCat>jkwood: i've got an antenna situation too... i.e. no antenna :-)
15:39<Yaakov>Shunt feed it.
15:39<b4>Fetched 157MB in 3m21s (780kB/s)
15:39<Yaakov>I wish 10m was open. I can get on that.
15:39<b4>thats not my linode \o/
15:40<jkwood>HoopyCat: Lowe's and 10 bucks will get you enough wire clothesline to build a dipole.
15:40*Nivex loads up some speaker wire
15:40<jkwood>Actually, Walmart and ten bucks will get you the same thing. Lowes just offers plumbing stuff for a center insulator.
15:41<Yaakov>That horrible stuff, and vinyl-coated anything is REALLY bad.
15:41<jkwood>Works for me. :)
15:41<Yaakov>Zip cord, clothesline...
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15:41<Yaakov>We did some velocity testing on vinyl insulated stuff and it is amazingly lossy.
15:42<Yaakov>But, on the other hand, at HF frequencies it is less of an issue.
15:42<Yaakov>Still, you can order decent copper stuff online.
15:42<Yaakov>t Radio Shack still sell it?
15:42<HoopyCat>jkwood: don't really have anything to drive it with... i have an ol' drake T-4XB that i could probably deploy
15:43<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Have you got an IRLP repeater you can use?
15:43<HoopyCat>jkwood: it supports AM, CW, and RSB (Random Side Band)
15:43<HoopyCat>Yaakov: yeah, but that's cheatin'
15:44<jkwood>The Radio Shack here is pretty much worthless for that kind of thing. I can drive 20 miles to Stockton and do better, but not much.
15:44<Yaakov>I've got IRLP on my 440 machine.
15:44<jkwood>They at least have real coax.
15:44<mwalling>ratshack sucks now
15:44<mwalling>they're trying to be a best buy
15:44<guinea-pig>mall-based radioshacks are even worse
15:45<mwalling>there's non mall based ratshacks?
15:45<jkwood>They don't even have decent toys any more.
15:45<guinea-pig>mwalling: of course... all the old ones :)
15:45<mwalling>our old one is in an old mall
15:46<jkwood>It's weird... the one in north Springfield actually has a real parts drawer. I built a PSK31 interface using stuff from it. But they don't stock coax... go figure.
15:47<Yaakov>I don't like Radio Shack but the one we have is standalone and it has SOME stuff.
15:48<Yaakov>In fact in the last couple of years it has improved a little.
15:48<Yaakov>But I buy most of my stuff online now.
15:48<guinea-pig>ever radioshack i've been to... the ones that are part of indoor malls are teh suck, but you can still get parts at the ones that aren't
15:48<HoopyCat>we've got 'em in each mall, but we've got a selection in strip malls as well
15:49<jkwood>HoopyCat: Any rig will do. My Heathkit SB1400 (nee Yaesu FT747GX) works wonders.
15:49<Yaakov>There are some good vendors and in the past I bought almost all surplus anyway.
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15:49<Yaakov>The 747 is a nice rig, actually.
15:49<Yaakov>I have a Kenwood TS-450S/AT.
15:50<HoopyCat>jkwood: it's got vacuum tubes and more knobs than your mom's porn, and the power supply will throw your back out
15:50<HoopyCat>jkwood: frankly, i'm afraid of the bastard :-)
15:50<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Do you know how to load it up?
15:50<jkwood>I had to replace the carrier adjustment caps a while back... other than that, this "cheap little rig" is spot-on.
15:50<jkwood>HoopyCat: Then you'd hate my Swan 250C.
15:51<HoopyCat>Yaakov: NFC
15:51<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Don't turn it on.
15:51<HoopyCat>Yaakov: no risk of that
15:51<Yaakov>OK! Then, LEARN how to LOAD IT UP BABY.
15:52<jkwood>Tube rigs can actually be a lot of fun to use.
15:53<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I wrote a voicemail to email gateway for our IRLP node.
15:53<jkwood>(Although my secret dream is to own a Ten-Tec Jupiter.)
15:53<Yaakov>ANd a dealy that uses festival to report current weather conditions from METAR.
15:54<HoopyCat>Yaakov: if you're ever in town, stop on over and we can try to roll this beautiful bean footage
15:55<Yaakov>I occasinally find myself in NY State.
15:55<b4>my uant is having trouble plugging in the monitor ><
15:55*HoopyCat plugs in ur uant
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15:56<Yaakov>Nice toaster!
15:56<b4>she says it doesn't fit
15:56<Yaakov>She probably has the connector upside down or is fighting with the serial port.
15:56<HoopyCat>Yaakov: i've never plugged the toaster in, either
15:56<b4>i forget which one was the serial port and which was the monitor
15:57<Yaakov>The monitor'ss connector will be blue.
15:57<HoopyCat>Yaakov: frankly, both it and the transmitter are things that have a nonzero chance of killing me :-)
15:57<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I love old toasters.
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15:57<Yaakov>I wish I had some money to pick up a really nice one.
15:57<HoopyCat>b4: the serial will be DB9 (two rows), the VGA will be DB15 (three rows)
15:58<b4>HoopyCat, k
15:58<HoopyCat>Yaakov: bought this from a friend for $5. he didn't need it any more, as he cancelled his electricity service.
15:58<b4>i wonder if pens are bent
15:58<Yaakov>The monitor's connector will be blue.
15:58<b4>HoopyCat, what did you buy?
15:58<Yaakov>HoopyCat: That's... odd.
15:58<b4>the system is a apckard bell xD
15:58<HoopyCat>b4: a toaster
15:59<b4>someone sold a toaster cuz they cancelled their electric?
15:59<HoopyCat>b4: yeah. it's an electric toaster.
16:00<b4>is it a powerufl toaster?
16:00<HoopyCat>b4: dunno, i haven't used it.
16:01<Yaakov>HoopyCat: This is a beauty:
16:01<HoopyCat>isn't it? looks exactly like mine
16:01<Yaakov>That one.
16:02<HoopyCat>Yaakov: loves you
16:02*jkwood hands Yaakov
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16:02<jkwood>I win.
16:02<Yaakov>Eh. Too much trouble on this machine. I just won't post ebay URLs.
16:03<HoopyCat>Yaakov: that is a nice-looking one... i like the little resistive etching on the side
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16:05<olekvi>I might be blind, but shouldn't it be a "upgrade my old boring UML node to Xen now!" button somewhere in the web GUI? :)
16:05<HoopyCat>olekvi: open a ticket and there will be :-)
16:05<Yaakov>HoopyCat: It's a classic, to be sure.
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16:06<Yaakov>HoopyCat: SInce oyu probably don't know:
16:07<HoopyCat>Yaakov: oh wow, that raisin bread on may...
16:07<HoopyCat>Yaakov: nice calendar they have
16:11<Yaakov>Ah... MacBook Pro.
16:11<Yaakov>But... the keypboard is bigger. That cramped keyboard is messing up my typing.
16:12<HoopyCat>huh, apparently picking up a phone on the other team's sideline and yelling "WHASSSSSUP" is a 15-yard unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty
16:13<olekvi>HoopyCat: aha; just have to wait some days before all stupid DNS servers have dropped their MX caching ...
16:13<HoopyCat>olekvi: a migration from UML to Xen won't change your IP address...
16:14<olekvi>hoopycat: I know, but I'm moving things around, and I want to reinstall the Linode
16:14<olekvi>(so I've set up a backup MX)
16:14<HoopyCat>olekvi: ah. in THAT case, you can add a new linode (which'll be on xen), set stuff up there, and then remove your old linode when you're done, all with happy pro-rating goodness ;-)
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16:15<HoopyCat>coffee is for closers, and boy do i have some
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16:15<olekvi>Hoppy: umm, I already got to linodes, so it should work out quite well anyway
16:15<olekvi>Hoopy, sorry.
16:16<olekvi>and 'two' *errr*
16:16<HoopyCat>olekvi: no problem. :-)
16:18<olekvi>I've only found one issue with Linode since sep 2004 - everything lives on the other side of the ocean ..
16:18<HoopyCat>olekvi: it's only getting worse as global warming continues
16:18<olekvi>I would love to see a European plant
16:18<olekvi>Hoopy: lol
16:19<HoopyCat>ok, bread needs coddlin', bbl
16:21<jkwood>HoopyCat: That sounds kind of familiar somehow.
16:21<olekvi>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=166 ms - it is a bit laggy for interactive ssh-ing from time to time
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16:22<mwalling>getting less then 2000ms was a good day on my old isp
16:23<olekvi>wirless? ;)
16:25<phennessy>olekvi: you might get better response in newark
16:25<phennessy>oh yea, someone BROKE it
16:25*phennessy glares as selfishman
16:25*linbot slaps jkwood
16:25<Yaakov>mwalling: You had pneumatic internet?
16:25<phennessy>glares at too
16:25<mwalling>Yaakov: better, i had fap proof fap
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16:26<phennessy>someone made it so you had to register with the bot
16:27*jkwood blames Canadia
16:27<Yaakov>Clearly the abusive Canucks made it necessary.
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16:29<olekvi>phennessy: maybe, but it shouldn't be that much of a difference?
16:30<phennessy>try it and see
16:30<phennessy>see that forum link above
16:30<phennessy>there is a movie on each DC
16:31<phennessy>of course, if you move.. you need to change your ip
16:31<olekvi>bandwith isn't the problem :-)
16:31<phennessy>then just ping
16:31<phennessy>or traceroute
16:32<olekvi>I've used mtr, but as I said - getting over the ocean (from Europe) is the main concern ;)
16:32<HoopyCat>the US is big... it can be upwards of 100ms from left to right
16:32*SelfishMan glares back at phennessy
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16:33<mwalling>olekvi: newark is in newjersey, on the east coast
16:33<mwalling>olekvi: fremont is in California, on the west cost
16:33<phennessy>new jersey is where the fiber lands from europe
16:33<olekvi>mwalling: I know, but I can't see any real difference in ping times
16:34<phennessy>thats really hard to believe
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16:34<mwalling>phennessy: not if his isp peers with
16:34<phennessy>i guess
16:34<olekvi>err; newark is a bit better all the time
16:34<phennessy>light only moves so fast though
16:35<olekvi>Nice mc road on the movie, btw :-)
16:36<supine>olekvi: pastebin a 'mtr -rc 5' to each site?
16:38<SelfishMan>!calc 5000 miles /speed of light in ms
16:38<linbot>SelfishMan: (5000 miles) / the speed of light = 26.8409688 milliseconds
16:38<HoopyCat>mmm bread
16:38<phennessy>that would require a straight run though
16:38<supine>but it's a guesstimate anyway
16:39<olekvi>This is kinda interesting, last time I tried this there were only minor differences between fremont nad newark, now it is not.
16:39<SelfishMan>add 10-20 ms in latency for all the repeaters and then double it as that is only the one way number
16:39<phennessy>could be the time of day too, routes always change
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16:42<HoopyCat>olekvi: great use of shell, btw. :-)
16:43<olekvi>I'm built lazy
16:45<supine>i'm coming in from the other direction. Au -> Cali
16:45<supine>difference between fremont and newark is also ~80ms
16:45<supine>except fremont is closer obviously
16:48<supine>pacific is a leeeeeeeeetle bit bigger than the atlantic
16:49<supine> 5. 0.0% 5 16.3 16.2 15.9 16.5 0.3
16:49<supine> 6. 0.0% 5 176.2 176.2 176.1 176.3 0.1
16:50<SelfishMan>supine: I don't know, they both look the same from the shore!
16:54<supine>SelfishMan: the view from my local looks a little like
16:54<SelfishMan>supine: Yeah, I know that view. Been a few years though
16:54<olekvi>someone should really speed up that light going through those fibers ..
16:55<supine>olekvi: the hamster gets tired pushing the light down the fibre
16:55<SelfishMan>It's not really the speed of light that's so slow it's the hardware at the ends and the repeaters in the middle
16:55<HIghoS>SelfishMan++! I wish more people understood that.
16:55<supine>SelfishMan: you're an expat?
16:56<HIghoS>SelfishMan: You parse XML?!
16:57<SelfishMan>supine: Nah, just spent some time there
16:57<olekvi>SelfishMan: well, they're getting faster, but the light isn't
16:57<Yaakov>Light is too slow. I am working on IP over Gossip.
16:57<SelfishMan>olekvi: Light is getting faster! Every time I look they have officially increased it's speed again
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17:05<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: It is always best to compile stories from the source.
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17:13<Yaakov>Nivex: ???
17:13<Yaakov>It should be identical.
17:14<Yaakov>Well, noted. Need to add that to the copy I have.
17:15<Yaakov>Added! Thanks.
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17:16<Yaakov>I keep many things I find worth saving.
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17:17<Yaakov>I don't count on the other sources being available when I want them. I've been disappointed in the past.
17:18<supine>ah, the myth of the persistent web
17:19<Yaakov>But, actually, the URL is part of what I want to keep, along with the pithy part.
17:19<Yaakov>Some sites I refer to online I also mirror so I will have the content if they vanish, but I don't make the copy public.
17:20<tjfontaine>caker: woo kernel panic :)
17:21<tjfontaine>I presume this is the aforementioned 2.6.28 kernel bug
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17:22<tjfontaine>blech the new css on pastebin hurts spacing
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17:26<Nivex>heh, it still says "runs on a Linode 300"
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17:28<olekvi>Anyone using a remote backup provider like
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17:29<bob2> and s3
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17:30<olekvi>what would you recommend?
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17:30<bob2>s3 is cheaper, but the amount of data is small enough that I just use both
17:30<tjfontaine>there is a soon forth coming solution created by linode as well
17:31<olekvi>tjfontaine: any more information?
17:31<tjfontaine>just that it's in the pipe and is moving along swimingly
17:31<olekvi>right now I'm using a second linode for backup, but that is kinda ... ;)
17:31<supine>linode roulette?
17:31<Peng_>FWIW, if you happen to be a DreamHost customer, they have a backup thingy now that's about as cheap as S3. It's similar to, except without as many features.
17:32<jkwood>If caker would stop doing stuff like sleeping and celebrating holidays and weekends, we'd have it by now.
17:32<Peng_>(Yes, I know, everybody's favorite web host...)
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17:35<olekvi>well. talking about sleeping. . z Z
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17:41<bd_>awesome, btrfs and squashfs were merged into .29-rc1
17:41<tjfontaine>about time :)
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17:43<FFEMTcJ>home finally..
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17:47*Yaakov squashes tjfontaine.
17:51<Yaakov>Hope I didn't squash him too hard.
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18:16<teknicaL>Does anyone know of any postgresql 7.4 package I can use on Ubuntu 8.04? I don't want to build it from source, when it really isn't necessary.
18:16<mwalling>why dont you just build it into a deb?
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18:17<mwalling>that way you have the joy of packaging it, but the customization of building it
18:18<pygi>teknicaL, three words for you
18:18<pygi>mwalling, because not everyone is a DM ? xD
18:19<teknicaL>pygi, technically those are three letters..
18:19<mwalling>whats a DM?
18:19<jkwood>Dungeon Master.
18:19<pygi>teknicaL, its an acronym :p
18:19<pygi>mwalling, Debian Maintainer :p
18:19<jkwood>Which is what you have to be to build Debian packages.
18:20<mwalling>i build debs with dh-make-perl all the time
18:20<jkwood>Everyone thinks it's a Linux distro. In reality, it's a giant game of D&D.
18:20<Internat>its not hard to make your own debian packages..
18:20<Internat>dont have to put them in the debian repos, but you can still make/compil your own.
18:20<mwalling>why cant you do the same with autocrap packages?
18:21<Internat>dpkg-buildpackage or something like that.
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18:22<pygi>Internat, rather pbuilder if you're trying to teach him the right way :p
18:23<pygi>well, for building binaries...
18:23<jkwood>Which is why I use Slackware. ;)
18:23<Internat>that said most of my stuff is normaplly just modifications to the existing packages.
18:23<pygi>debuild too :)
18:23<Internat>apt-get source package..
18:23<Internat>make changes.. dpkg-buildpackage
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18:25*mwalling agrees with what jkwood said... building a package in slackware is as easy as setting DESTDIR when you do 'make install' , then taking that tree and turning it into a package with makepkg(8)
18:25<HoopyCat>7.4 is ollld
18:25<teknicaL>Hobbsee, I have no use for 8.x
18:26<mwalling>tab fail.
18:26<teknicaL>HoopyCat, even
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18:26<HoopyCat>teknicaL: 8.3.5's prevailing feature is that it's included with ubuntu 8.04 :-)
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18:27<teknicaL>HoopyCat, 8.x breaks my script.
18:27<HoopyCat>teknicaL: in theory, you might be able to grab a 7.4 deb from an earlier ubuntu; however, it'll probably break some dependencies for other stuff
18:28<teknicaL>I *could* fix it, but I don't feel like it. ;x
18:28<HoopyCat>well, it's either fix the script or go through living hell
18:29<teknicaL>I could just build 7.4.23 from source
18:30<HoopyCat>teknicaL: i might recommend using a different distro
18:30<teknicaL>Why ?
18:31<mwalling>build your own .deb
18:31<HoopyCat>teknicaL: a lot of things have postgresql as a dependency; you can fool those, but then if an update comes down for postgresql it'll blow up
18:32<supine>apt/preferences can help there though
18:32<mwalling>but now you're getting crazy. you might as well fix your script to work with 8 and on
18:33<teknicaL>I personally never used or installed something that required or depends on postgresql, so I think I may be safe.
18:34<HoopyCat>plus, postgresql is a network service, so there's security patching considerations
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18:35<mwalling>teknicaL: i think the ammoutn of effort required keeping your postgres stuck in 7.x is greater then updating your script to 8.x
18:35<HoopyCat>you can do what you want; i'm just a lazy mofo and would just fix the script
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18:41<TwistOfFate>guys, if i multiple a records for an ip
18:41<TwistOfFate>is it wise to have multiple corresponding ptr's?
18:42<HoopyCat>TwistOfFate: each IP should have one PTR
18:42<SelfishMan>multiple PTRs does nothing but pollute teh interwebs
18:42<bob2>you can have more
18:42<mwalling>the PTR should point to the conocal hostname
18:42<bob2>but most stuff that cares about rDNS appear to ignore multi[ple PTRs and will just pick one randomly
18:42<SelfishMan>Yes, You *can* but they offer nothing
18:42<mwalling>like postfix
18:43<HoopyCat>mwalling meant to say "canonical"
18:43<TwistOfFate>ok. so one ptr record. and it should really be for the primary hostname.
18:43<SelfishMan>Most things will use the first PTR the DNS returns. Since the DNS servers typically return things in a random order it will vary
18:44<TwistOfFate>thanks guys
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18:48<TwistOfFate>one more question
18:48<TwistOfFate>the name servers returned when you whois a domain...the dns doesn't actually use this does it?
18:48<TwistOfFate>it's just interested in the domain's ns records?
18:48<SelfishMan>yes it does
18:49<SelfishMan>those are the servers that are asked for the answer to *any* record lookup
18:49<HoopyCat>TwistOfFate: they'll usually matched, but it's done by the NS records from your TLD's nameservers
18:49<HoopyCat>TwistOfFate: s/matched/match/
18:50<HoopyCat>TwistOfFate: the nameservers for, say, .com are [a-k or so], so if you ask for NS records for, it'll give you the real scoop. which matches whois.
18:50<TwistOfFate>ahh right
18:50<bob2>they should match, but they are different systems
18:51<HoopyCat>in the event of a discrepancy, reality will match the NS records from the TLD's nameservers :-)
18:51<SelfishMan>When you update the NS records at your registrar it pushes the new info to whois and the root servers. Assuming the data isn't stale they will always match
18:51<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: unless something breaks.....
18:51<HoopyCat>.... which doesn't happen 99.999% of the time
18:51<SelfishMan>Then the data is stale
18:53<HoopyCat>awww, the muff rule
18:56<TwistOfFate>when i ask the name server of the tld for the ns record of the domain
18:56<TwistOfFate>i don't get an answer, only an authority section
18:56<HoopyCat>TwistOfFate: what's the domain?
18:56<bd_>and which name server are you asking?
18:56<TwistOfFate>i did dig ns
18:57<TwistOfFate>and then did dig @one_of_net.au_server ns
18:58<HoopyCat>TwistOfFate: "dig ns" works for me
18:58<TwistOfFate>i was using the ausregistry servers
18:59<TwistOfFate>i just get an authority section
18:59<TwistOfFate>not an answer section
19:00<TwistOfFate>is that all i should receive?
19:00<supine>what are you asking for?
19:00<HoopyCat>TwistOfFate: "dig ns" gives me a set of servers; i pick, then, then i get your 3 NS records
19:01<TwistOfFate>i would've ok
19:01<bd_>TwistOfFate: the authority section basically means 'ask these servers for an official answer'
19:01<TwistOfFate>oh right
19:01<TwistOfFate>so it is working after all
19:01<bd_>and indeed, if you ask those servers you get the right answer
19:01<supine>which is 100% correct
19:02<b4>i broke freebsd
19:02<TwistOfFate>thanks for your help guys
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19:02<HoopyCat>b4: INCONCEIVABLE.
19:02<b4>my non-remote-accessible systems follow a naming scheme
19:02<HoopyCat>TwistOfFate: np :-)
19:03<b4>HoopyCat, it wouldn't boot
19:04<erikh>freebsd has acpi problems
19:04<erikh>to put it lightly
19:04<b4>no /boot/loader
19:05<erikh>oh, that's a different problem. :)
19:05<erikh>but yeah, getting freebsd to work on non-legacy systems (e.g., no ps/2 mouse/keyboard) can be a royal PITA.
19:08<jtsage>erikh - try adding a usb kvm sometime...
19:08<HoopyCat>damnable heat vent blew shut... no wonder it's cold in here
19:09<b4>erikh, 1995-era systems!?
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19:17<Yaakov>Watch out for zambofeca, he is the same as the previous one.
19:17<Yaakov>The spamming racist.
19:18<jkwood>The tjfontaine will protect us.
19:18<HoopyCat>tjfontaine is love, and love is tjfontaine.
19:19<jkwood>The scott, on the other hand...
19:19<HoopyCat>the moon is full, and it is now time to sacrifice a whopper virgin to the tjfontaine
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19:20<tjfontaine>mmmmm whopper virgins
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19:25<erikh>b4: no, no ports for them at all
19:25<erikh>so like, in the last 5 years tops
19:25<b4>can I get 7.0 to run on that?
19:25<b4>(7.1 won't work)
19:25<erikh>I tried with 7.0
19:26<erikh>disabling ACPI might help
19:26<erikh>you should be able to boot without it at the boot menu
19:30<checkers>erikh: USB support for keyboards has worked fine with freebsd since 6
19:30<erikh>that's not what I'm saying
19:31<erikh>it works great when there's ps/2 ports
19:31<erikh>when they aren't there (like on some modern systems, particularly dell/hp machines) it fails
19:31<erikh>just panics
19:31<erikh>could be just GENERIC flipping out, to
19:34<b4>7.1 hates me
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19:36<fuzzman442>i am interested in setting up a vps with linode... could you answer a question or two for me?
19:36<FFEMTcJ>i can try
19:36<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
19:36<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
19:36<jkwood>I win.
19:36<HoopyCat>jkwood WINS
19:36<fuzzman442>point taken
19:37<fuzzman442>does the linode custom kernel support modules?
19:37<fuzzman442>and is it possible/recommended to use the kernel that comes with the distro?
19:37<bob2>also custom kernels (but that is unsupported)
19:37<bob2>yes (unsupported)/no
19:38<fuzzman442>yes if the linode custom supports modules then i dont really see a need to run the distro kernel
19:38<fuzzman442>but the vps company i am with now doesn't support modules, and it is causing me problems
19:38<mwalling>fuzzman442: linode provides kernels with almost everything possible set to Y in the config. Xen hosts (if you buy now thats wehre you land) support modules
19:38<mwalling>kernel source is available at
19:39<fuzzman442>so you guys are customers or staff?
19:39<mwalling>ops are staff
19:39<mwalling>we're lamers who spend too much time on irc
19:39<jkwood>I'm a bot!
19:39<fuzzman442>lucky for me
19:40<FFEMTcJ>fuzzman442: do you have a referrer?
19:40<fuzzman442>so what do you guys think about the service in general?
19:40<fuzzman442>no i don't.
19:40<FFEMTcJ>i like it.. tis why im here..
19:40<FFEMTcJ>mind using my code then?
19:40<fuzzman442>it seems like that might be frowned upon
19:41<mwalling>FFEMTcJ: you refered fuzzman442 ?
19:41<fuzzman442>since im in a public chatroom with ops
19:41<FFEMTcJ>mwalling: sure.. why not
19:41<mwalling>FFEMTcJ: also, we have ReferralBot for this
19:41<mwalling>/msg ReferralBot add $YOURREFCODE
19:41<fuzzman442>so any advice for the new guy before i pull the trigger on a vps?
19:41<mwalling>fuzzman442: fire away
19:41<tjfontaine>pick linode cause it's the best
19:42<bob2>fuzzman442: just remember that it is a completely unmanaged service
19:42<tjfontaine>ReferralBot: getcode
19:42<jkwood>For serious. It's teh best.
19:42<fuzzman442>i sent an email to support asking those questions earlier... haven't received a reply yet
19:42<fuzzman442>is there a different support mechanism for customers?
19:42<mwalling>we have a ticketing system
19:43<mwalling>tied into the staff's paging system
19:43<fuzzman442>ok so i assume the response time would be faster for a customer?
19:43<fuzzman442>ok i remember reading that
19:43*tjfontaine ties mwalling up
19:43<mwalling>mmm baby
19:43<jkwood>Certain things are handled on a when-we-get-time basis.
19:44<fuzzman442>ok guys thanks for the help. take it easy. you might be seeing be around in the future.
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19:44<mwalling>NABSUN LLC DBA COMFORT INN WARRENTON UU-208-253-90-72-D11 (NET-208-253-90-72-1)
19:45*jkwood spams mwalling's new facebook email
19:45<mwalling>a comfort in gets an entire netblock?
19:45<mwalling>fscking facebook
19:45<HoopyCat>mwalling: it's only a /29
19:45<mwalling>all i wanted was for notifications to go to -facebook
19:45<mwalling>HoopyCat: oh
19:45<bob2>it is a /29
19:46<bob2>good on mci having customer records available like that
19:46<mwalling>RR doesnt actually delegate netblocks like that for their /29s
19:46<supine>a legacy from uunet
19:46<HoopyCat>mwalling: i think they run their own rwhois server?
19:46<mwalling>they do?
19:47<HoopyCat>technically, anything /29 or shorter should be SWIP'd or rwhois'd
19:48*jkwood SWIPs HoopyCat
19:50<mwalling>HoopyCat: my firehouse just says "network:Organization;I:Road Runner Commercial
19:50<mwalling>thats for a /23
19:51*mwalling looks to see whats wrong with his damn dovecot
19:51<HoopyCat>mwalling: i've never gotten rwhois to work right over here, now that you mention it
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19:57<HoopyCat>yaknow, i should become a pittsburgh fan
19:58<tjfontaine>fuck that
19:58<HoopyCat>the bills ain't doin it
19:58<HoopyCat>and pittsburgh isn't THAT much further
19:59<tjfontaine>cleveland ;)
19:59<HoopyCat>c'mon, ohio isn't even a neighboring state
20:00<jkwood>Raiders WHOOO
20:00<tjfontaine>PA is a pretty fast travel near the top ;)
20:00<jkwood>Silly tjfontaine... There's no traveling in footbal.
20:01<mwalling>jkwood: there you go. fixed, no more looking at ugly email addreses
20:01<HoopyCat>aww, it's the cute diet dr. pepper ad
20:01<HoopyCat>s/dr\./dr/ # no . in dr pepper
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20:04*mwalling hits f5 a bunch of times on Yaakov's blag to increase his hit counter
20:05<Yaakov>mwalling: Vandal!
20:05<mwalling>Yaakov: Poor code design!
20:06*mwalling notices that the cut over time for his MX records was really fast
20:06<Yaakov>Not really, it is doing exactly what it is supposed to, according to the spec.
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20:12<zxvf>Yaakov: how come you are connecting from ?
20:12<zxvf>black magic.
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20:13<HoopyCat>zxvf: he's here on a diplomatic visa
20:14<mwalling>you work for cisco, you should know how that works
20:15<b4>ssh brute-force is increasing my IO rate
20:15<zxvf>you need
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20:19<zxvf>i have 812 hosts blocked from ssh brute forcers :/
20:19<Nivex>most people I know use denyhosts
20:19<zxvf>yes i am using denyhosts
20:20<vxdscn>Hello, I am wondering how much bandwidth are allocated per VPS plan ?
20:20<zxvf>but i wrote a perlscript for a class that was
20:20<zxvf>which did the same thing
20:20<zxvf>vxdscn: did you try reading hte lindoe website?
20:20<zxvf>read the bottom, where it describes all the plans, and says 'transfer"
20:20<vxdscn>yeah it didn't say..
20:21<zxvf>yes, it does. in large bold print
20:21<zxvf>the smallest plan has 200GB/month
20:21<zxvf>then to 300GB, then 400, 600, 800, 1600
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20:21<supine>vxdscn: if you mean max throughput, it's capped at 35Mb/s i believe
20:22<@caker>outgoing only. incoming is unrestricted
20:22<@caker>and it's adjustible if you really hit the limit
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20:22<supine>caker: anyone actually needed that?
20:22<romesa>any advice for someone new to VPS's, on linux distros, and disk image setups?
20:22<vxdscn>what's the size of the pipe on the Xen servers ?
20:22<@caker>supine: no. People want it but never need it
20:23<zxvf>romesa: use the debian image, on a linode vps
20:23<@caker>vxdscn: faster than you'll ever need
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20:24<mwalling>romesa: error: scope to large. please narrow your question's scope and try again.
20:24<jkwood>romesa: Slackware. :)
20:26<Deviation>Going to start another "my distro is better than yours" war
20:26<romesa>I suppose each distro has it's pros and cons, but what I'm really wondering about are disk image and partitioning schemes
20:27<Deviation>root & swapwhat else ya need?
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20:27<chopp>cool, linbot no longer replies with "people still use slackware?" (or whatever it was). :)
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20:27<mwalling>romesa: you get a chunk of disk (think hard drive), and you create images (think partitions). you then mount those images to device nodes in the configuration profile
20:27<mwalling>er, s/mount/assign/
20:28<romesa>so it is pretty much like hd partitions
20:28<romesa>cool, ok
20:28<Deviation>don't get all partition crazy though
20:28<Deviation>like i said, root & swap
20:28<mwalling>with a small twist... you can create a "raw" image, and then partition that from inside your linode, but then you can't use the host's resize functionality
20:28<mwalling>Deviation: why not?
20:29<Deviation>mwalling: why would you? you won't gain anything
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20:29<Deviation>aside from maybe organization
20:29<mwalling>Deviation: not having to mount your entire filesystem with quota, just /home ?
20:29<Deviation>What's that save you?
20:30<HoopyCat>splitting off /home is handy if you decide to switch distros, etc, down the line
20:30<Nivex>I have /home as its own filesystem in case I need to blow away the distro and reinstall. makes it so ...
20:30<Nivex>what HoopyCat said
20:30<HoopyCat>but doing the old-school /, /boot, /usr, /var, /opt, /home, /usr/local, /var/spool, /tmp thing is silly
20:31<Deviation>That's what I'm getting at
20:31<HoopyCat>unless you're running a busy mail or news server, of course, in which case splitting off its /var/spool stronghold can help defer the pain train
20:31<Deviation>If it was a physical server, then I could see a case for mounting /, /tmp, and swap
20:31<romesa>so creating separate partitions (disk-images) for /boot, /usr, /var, and all that isn't really needed
20:31<mwalling>romesa: no
20:32<mwalling>romesa: infact the distro wizard will only create 1 partition + swap
20:32<jkwood>chopp: That was mikegrb.
20:32<chopp>jkwood: ahh right.
20:32<jkwood>And for the record, Slackware.
20:32<romesa>unless, like the above mentioned, i wanted to switch distros, down the line
20:33<jkwood>*cough* Slackware *cough*
20:33<checkers>write(1, "root 9 0.0 0.0 0 "..., 79root 9 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN Jan09 0:00 [ksoftirqd/3]
20:33<jkwood>Wow... maybe he turned it off.
20:33<checkers>) = 79
20:33<checkers>stat64("/proc/10", <unfinished ...>
20:33<checkers>awesome, ps crashing
20:33<checkers>+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
20:33<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
20:33<HoopyCat>jkwood: the slackware trigger was fairly random
20:34<HoopyCat>and continues to be such
20:34<mwalling>jkwood: i think people like you and i are blacklisted
20:34<romesa>I tried out slackware 12.1 at home, wasn't so bad
20:34<jkwood>It's awesome for a server. So clean.
20:34<jkwood>(Not half bad for a desktop, either.)
20:35<mwalling>romesa: i love it for stuff where i want to tinker hard (like my server or my eeepc), but i run ubuntu on my desktop
20:35<jkwood>Oh, we have to fix that.
20:35<mwalling>romesa: get a linode in dallas, deploy slackware, and you can upgrade to 12.1 and 12.2 from my server ;)
20:35<checkers>you want to tinker on your server??
20:35<Deviation>checkers: probably not used for business
20:35<HoopyCat>not everyone keeps their business in the same place, captain
20:36<romesa>I already chose a linode in Cali, haven't run the distro wiz yet tho, wanted to clear some things b4 that
20:36<linbot>mwalling is a noob
20:36<b4>write out the word b4
20:36<romesa>lol, got it
20:36*linbot slaps jkwood
20:36<Nivex>before b4 there was b5
20:37<HoopyCat>i thought b3?
20:37<HoopyCat>Nivex: doesn't start with a b. FAIL
20:37<Nivex>Egon Spengler
20:37<HoopyCat>oh! i see what you did there.
20:37<b4>i have a 13GB deathstar
20:37<b4>that works
20:38<Nivex>sorry, I'm way too random for my own good tonight
20:39<Nivex>wow, wasn't expecting an answer
20:39<HoopyCat>linbot is very familiar with urmom
20:40<@caker>"urmom is generally used as a response to anything on the internet, usually by people of a somewhat simple nature. "
20:40<Nivex>urmom is of a somewhat simple nature
20:40<m0unds>how does that make you feel?
20:40<HoopyCat>caker: urmom is people of a somewhat simple nature
20:40<Yaakov>caker: Who said that? urmom?
20:41<Nivex>m0unds: what are you, an Eliza bot?
20:41<m0unds>sure am.
20:41<Yaakov>Nivex: We are talking about you, not m0unds.
20:41<Nivex>m0unds: tell me more
20:41<linbot>It's cold enough to test your frosticles outside!
20:41<m0unds>i don't want to.
20:41<jkwood>(You have to be registered with the bot)
20:41<HoopyCat>press to test, release to detonate
20:41<HoopyCat>(as urmom knows all too well)
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20:42<jkwood>Hey... stop sending me register commands! I'm not simple like linbot, ya know.
20:42<Yaakov>No match for "CAKERSMOM.COM".
20:43<HoopyCat>Yaakov: i'd say urmom is more than a match for caker's mom
20:43<jkwood>HoopyCat: I was not designed off the brain patterns of tjfontaine, kthxbye.
20:44<checkers>urmum wasn't designed for MY brain patters, if you get what I mean
20:44<HoopyCat>jkwood: hee hee
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20:46<HoopyCat>i swear, this channel is a PRNG sometimes
20:46<mwalling>this channel is a graphic?
20:47<m0unds>mwalling: fail.
20:47<HoopyCat>mwalling: urmom is graphic
20:47<romesa>pseudo random number generator,
20:47<tjfontaine>er o0
20:47<romesa>just looked it up
20:48<jkwood>tjfontaine: Licking toothpicks again?
20:48<m0unds>mmm, laquer
20:48*SelfishMan heard urmom jokes and came running
20:48<tjfontaine>jkwood: yes
20:48<tjfontaine>jkwood: how did you know
20:48<jkwood>I'm pretty sure that's what that smiley is.
20:49<m0unds>good 'ol yahoo answers.
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20:49<m0unds>lolol urmom
20:50<mwalling>heya HoopyCat
20:50<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: don't answer, it's a trap
20:50<urmom>why, i'm not hoopycat at all! i'm urmom
20:50<mwalling>secrecy fail
20:51<urmom>oh son of a bitch
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20:56<iobright>does anyone know how to recover from an out-of-memory error? My linode encountered one and I rebooted it, but it's still not working.
20:56<Deviation>fdisk ?
20:56<phennessy>might need to tweak apache or mysql settings
20:56<straterra>what out of memory error?
20:56<HoopyCat>iobright: a reboot should get it to come back up, unless it OOM'd doing something crazy (like an OS upgrade or something) and ended up in a trashed state
20:57<jkwood>An excellent suggestion, phennessy.
20:57<HoopyCat>iobright: or unless it OOMs again immediately after boot
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20:57<mwalling>he OOM'd earlier today, he said it didnt come back up
20:58<HoopyCat>oh right, first half of the eagles/giants game
20:58<m0unds>who won?
20:58<iobright>Lish says: $20
20:58<iobright>"Warning: unable to open an initial console. "
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21:00<vxdscn>Does anyone know the ETA on the 360 or 540 avalibility on the Newark based DCs ?
21:00<HoopyCat>iobright: on your configuration profile, all three of the helper options are set to Yes, correct?
21:00<linbot>jkwood: Newark360 - 0, Newark540 - 0, Newark720 - 6, Newark1080 - 0, Newark1440 - 0, Newark2880 - 0
21:01<jkwood>Hmm... Nope.
21:01<linbot>jkwood: Fremont360 - 20, Fremont540 - 18, Fremont720 - 16, Fremont1080 - 5, Fremont1440 - 4, Fremont2880 - 3
21:01<jkwood>Fremont is unusually open, though.
21:01<iobright>HoopyCat: where is the location profile located? I haven't changed anything since initial startup.
21:01<iobright>Full lish results:
21:02<romesa>Where exactly is Fremont, CA?
21:02<HoopyCat>iobright: from the dashboard, click on the configuration profile labeled "Last Booted"
21:03<jkwood>Near Newark, apparently.
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21:03<iobright>yes, all three are "yes"
21:03<mwalling>vxdscn: only the staffers know that... but you can drop anywhere and then put in a ticket for migration, and you'll get one of the freshest nodes out there (before they're opened to the public)
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21:04<HoopyCat>iobright: strange... may be worth opening a ticket
21:04<m0unds>powerdvd is such a pile of shit
21:04<jkwood>Near Oakland/San Francisco. How about that.
21:04<iobright>I've already opened one, but I haven't heard back.. a client emailed me asking why their site was down so I decided to give it a second shot on the chat.
21:05<iobright>thanks for the help
21:05<mwalling>HoopyCat: you were thinking hvc0 too?
21:05<vxdscn>mwalling: u mean send a ticket request ?
21:06<mwalling>vxdscn: yes
21:06<HoopyCat>mwalling: dang well oughta be hvc0
21:07<mwalling>iobright: how you feel about booting finnix, and then looking at the inittab on your linode's filesystem?
21:07<jkwood>Alternatively, system logs.
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21:07<mwalling>theory: he OOM'd, and shutdown non-gracefully, and somehow hosed his /etc/inittab?
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21:09<iobright>would it harm anything to try finnix?
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21:09<HoopyCat>mwalling: i'm thinking time-since-last-reboot was long enough that something drifted out of spec through OS upgrades. can't think of what, though.
21:09<mwalling>iobright: if you're careful, no
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21:09<jkwood>iobright: Don't muck with anything.
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21:10<jkwood>OS upgrades can definitely cause problems.
21:10*jkwood recalls the time he hosed his /etc/passwd file
21:11<cdlu>once upon a time, eleven years ago, I accidentally overwrote /dev/hda
21:11<cdlu>I don't recommend it
21:11<@caker>iobright: you didn't set up finnix correctly, fwiw
21:12<HoopyCat>caker waits for the entirely wrong moment to look at the trouble ticket ;-)
21:13<romesa>where's a good resource for setting up finnix correctly?
21:13<@caker>iobright: Normal runlevel, finnix kernel, finnix iso as xvda, finnix initrd. Then attach your images
21:13<@caker>iobright: why are you messing with finnix anyhow? init=/bin/bash would likely work
21:14<iobright>caker: just following suggestions from chat
21:15<mwalling>caker: see above theory i had...
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21:16<Nivex>mmmm botnet
21:16<scorche>go go FloodServ!
21:16<phennessy>that is hilarious
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21:16<bd_>quick reaction there, FloodServ :)
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21:17<mwalling>caker: looks like your advertising is working ;)
21:17<phennessy>linode is advertising?
21:18<romesa>hmm... they were my second choice after linode
21:18<@mikegrb>phennessy: on ur mom's back
21:18<bd_>I think they're on like the fourth page of the google adwords for "VPS"
21:18<bd_>(linode, that is)
21:18<phennessy>i haven't seen her backside lately
21:18<mwalling>mikegrb: i thought you held up a LJ with a half page linode ad?
21:19*mikegrb nods
21:19<phennessy>i get no adwords
21:19<mwalling>scott: see?
21:19<phennessy>i wonder what's up with that
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21:20-!-mode/#linode [+i] by mikegrb
21:20-!-mode/#linode [+i] by tjfontaine
21:20-!-Howel is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
21:20<tjfontaine>damn joininfo
21:20-!-Cheche is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
21:20<@mikegrb>tjfontaine: ja
21:21<phennessy>i never saw two people +i a channel at the same time
21:21<HoopyCat>woah, simultaneous mode change
21:21<mwalling>i win kthx
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21:21<tjfontaine>mikegrb, caker you'll want to santize that from your logs (the url that is) :)
21:22*mikegrb sanitizes tjfontaine
21:22<HoopyCat>i like the little parachute boxes
21:22<Yaakov>I can't believe that has anything to do, officially, with RapidXen.
21:22<phennessy>what url?
21:22<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: is there that little set-+l-to-current-count-plus-a-few feature in chanserv?
21:22<tjfontaine>yes mikegrb enable autolimit
21:22<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: ja
21:23<phennessy>maybe they have a referralbot there too :)
21:23<tjfontaine>then we can -i
21:23<tjfontaine>that'll prevent some of it too
21:23<teknicaL>lol. wtf
21:23<phennessy>verizon is telling me doesn't exist
21:23<HoopyCat>mr. mikegrb, enable the autolimit on the forward deflectors and drop to -i
21:23*phennessy flips vz the bird while he's at it
21:23<teknicaL>I sware, people have too much time on their hands and nothing better else to do.
21:23*mikegrb drops HoopyCat
21:24<HoopyCat>too... much... inductive reactance...
21:24-!-Irssi: #linode: Total of 239 nicks [5 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 234 normal]
21:24<teknicaL>Their websites sucks, btw.
21:24<tjfontaine>here they try and come again
21:24*mikegrb nods
21:24<@mikegrb>take that
21:24<HoopyCat>pew pew
21:24-!-mode/#linode [+l 242] by ChanServ
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21:25<scott>thats crazy
21:25<phennessy>now it's +l spam :)
21:25<iobright>caker: init=/bin/bash is not working; system shuts off midway through boot.
21:25<HoopyCat>how much thought goes into ordering the channel modes on display to avoid spelling dodgy words?
21:25<tjfontaine>mikegrb: -i now?
21:25<mwalling>oh, crap, its +i
21:26<@mikegrb>was waiting for the connections to die down
21:26-!-mode/#linode [-i] by mikegrb
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21:26<Yaakov>A BOT! KILL IT3~!
21:26<mwalling>great time for crashage
21:26<mwalling>thanks twisted
21:26<HoopyCat>mwalling: i wonder if the +l stunned it
21:27<tjfontaine>no it was the +i
21:27<tjfontaine>they're doing #debian now
21:27<phennessy>urmon does debian
21:27<Yaakov>Same message?
21:27<@caker>iobright: um... does /bin/bash exist?
21:27<HoopyCat>urmom is... dammit
21:27<phennessy>ha ha
21:27<phennessy>so there is a debian channel?
21:27<guinea-pig>Debian Does Dallas
21:27<@caker>iobright: or, I suppose, you need to fix some device nodes -- in which case Finnix would help
21:28<@caker>mwalling: you were talking about some inittab bs... go away
21:28<HoopyCat>ooh snap
21:28<mwalling>Warning: unable to open an initial console.
21:28<phennessy>isn't slackware the only distro with inittab still?
21:28<mwalling>scott: too slow
21:29<iobright>caker: I don't know if there is a /bin/bash. I hadn't added one, but I assumed it was already there. I'll try finnix.
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21:31<snowfell>google the line: XENBUS: Device with no driver: device/console/0
21:31<snowfell>seems to be some XEN issue?
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21:33<HoopyCat>running a standard kernel and not something via pv-grub, right?
21:34<iobright>ok, I'm in finnix. how do I attach the image?
21:34<jkwood>What the heck is +l?
21:34<mwalling>jkwood: limit
21:35*jkwood googles
21:35<bd_>snowfell: device/console/0 seems to be harmless, I think
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21:36<jkwood>Now we're talking.
21:36<tjfontaine>for now things have quieteed down
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21:43<cdlu>law of diminishing returns
21:43<checkers>you don't say
21:43<tjfontaine>+limiting returns :)
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21:43<cdlu>tj, you made ace tonight, congratulations. ;)
21:43<cdlu>oh wait, you've got like 30,000 kills under your belt. :p
21:44<phennessy>yea, he can do MUCH better :)
21:44<HoopyCat>when ze tjfontaine goes down, he goes down in flames!
21:44<cdlu>tj is very thorough, I'll leave it at that. ;)
21:44<tjfontaine>bow before your chair!
21:44-!-mode/#linode [+l 241] by ChanServ
21:45<cdlu>nobody bowed before me in my 3+ years as chair. :(
21:45<cdlu>and as ombudsman they just scoff. :)
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21:47<scott>the netops get all the women
21:47<scott>mikegrb: right?
21:47<mwalling>whats the LEVEL for chanserv's mode changes?
21:48<HoopyCat>mwalling: appears to be current number of users in channel plus 3, with a little bit of hysteresis
21:52<mwalling>no irssi
21:52<mwalling>so i dont get activity
21:52<res0> [20:52:41] MODES - Channel mode is changed
21:52<res0>from /help levels :P
21:53<@mikegrb>though being irssi probably better to just ignore mode change by chanserv
21:53<teknicaL>What would keep one from being able to 'su' on Ubuntu ?
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21:54<HoopyCat>teknicaL: what error are you getting?
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21:54<HoopyCat>answers range from "not knowing the root password" to "typoing like b4"
21:54<checkers>teknicaL: not having a password for root?
21:54<mwalling>well, for one, you could chmod -x it
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21:55<checkers>check the power is on too
21:55<teknicaL>(~)-> $ su
21:55<teknicaL>su: Authentication failure
21:55<@mikegrb>/ignore #linode ChanServ! MODESa
21:55<HoopyCat>teknicaL: i'd say you don't know the root password
21:55<guinea-pig>try the right password
21:55*mikegrb kisses tjfontaine
21:55<phennessy>mikegrb: got a question about WebService::Linode
21:55<HoopyCat>ignore #linode mikegrb!*@* MANLOVE
21:55<teknicaL>I have the right password, are there some kind of other lock downs that can be in place? Such as an access list of permitted users to 'su' ?
21:56<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: unignoreable
21:56<checkers>teknicaL: what's wrong with sudo su ?
21:56<@mikegrb>phennessy: check with path-, he handles support for WS:L
21:56<HoopyCat>teknicaL: some distros limit su-eligible people to people in the wheel group
21:56*mikegrb runs
21:56<teknicaL>checkers: sudo su works fine.. but I want to be able to just 'su'
21:56<phennessy>mikegrb: he's unavailable at the moment
21:56<@mikegrb>will have to wait for him to return
21:57<mwalling>teknicaL: su uses root's password, sudo uses your password
21:57<phennessy>they were talking about the dyndns script and needing domainSave at the end
21:57<reillyeon>Is there a command to convert unix timestamps to something useful?
21:57<@mikegrb>phennessy: yeah it's an api bug that will be fixed
21:57<phennessy>but mwalling pointed out the domainUpdate runs domainSave on returning the object
21:57<HoopyCat>reillyeon: i use time.localtime(123412312351235) in python
21:57<guinea-pig>which is better: sudo su, or sudo bash?
21:57<mwalling>sudo -i
21:58<supine>sudo bash
21:58<mwalling>s/pointed out/gave phennessy the line in WebService/Linode/
21:58<phennessy>i added domainSave to a script i did and it seems to be working.. but just wanted to check to see if it was something else
21:58<reillyeon>HoopyCat: thanks, that's better than a random website
21:58<supine>on everything except RHEL because you don't end up with a sane $PATH
21:58<@mikegrb>domainResourceUpdate calls domainResourceSave
21:58<HoopyCat>reillyeon: ... or is it? :-)
21:58<@mikegrb>but domainResourceSave doesn't touch the update_dt on the domain, just the rr so the domain doesn't get regenerated
21:59<@mikegrb>that's how calling domainSave fixes it
21:59<@mikegrb>but it's going to be fixed
21:59<@mikegrb>ie the domainSave won't be needed
21:59<phennessy>API 2.0
21:59<HoopyCat>reillyeon: note that you'll want to use time.gmtime() if you want it without its opinion of what "local" is
22:01<phennessy>that shows domainSave
22:01<teknicaL>HoopyCat, there isn't a 'wheel' on Ubuntu.
22:01<phennessy>i'm being a pain in the ass, i know
22:01<HoopyCat>ubuntu, eh? lemme try
22:02<supine>teknicaL: ubuntu has the adm group
22:02<b4>i like openbsd yay
22:02<teknicaL>supine: do I need to be in 'adm' to be able to 'su' directly without sudo ?
22:02<mwalling>teknicaL: are you using root's password?
22:02<reillyeon>HoopyCat: time and date code is all together too complicated.
22:03<teknicaL>mwalling: yes
22:03<phennessy>i thought i was going crazy there, but i really just wanted to make sure you knew about it
22:03<phennessy>oh wait
22:03<HoopyCat>for some odd reason, the box i'm trying this on doesn't have a root password in my rolodex... utoh
22:04<teknicaL>mwalling: I can login as 'root' via the console. I just can't 'su' it seels me invalid password, when it isn't..
22:04<phennessy>i was looking at domainUpdate not domainResourceUpdate
22:04<teknicaL>tells, rather.
22:04<HoopyCat>teknicaL: i am in group admin on the ubuntu box i just used su on
22:04<@mikegrb>phennessy: there you go
22:04<phennessy>sorry :)
22:04<@mikegrb>domainUpdate and domainResourceUpdate are both just wrappers to domainGet and then domainSave
22:04<@mikegrb>or domainResourceGet/Save
22:05<teknicaL>HoopyCat: I will gave that a try. =]
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22:05<@mikegrb>since Save wants everything passed to it again, not just what you are changing
22:05<phennessy>it all makes sense now
22:05<phennessy>yea, i found that out with domainSave
22:05<@mikegrb>so Update gets the current values for * overwrites what you passed in and then passes the lot of them to Save
22:06<phennessy>it sorta works as documented though
22:09<mwalling>wow... RapidXen's TOS is 8 pages long... and if you don't pay your bandwidth bill in 12 hours your account is suspended, and deleted after 24 hours
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22:10<phennessy>but they have solaris
22:10<phennessy>i tried making an opensolaris vm
22:10<phennessy>but it was all weird about terminals and all
22:11<phennessy>it really wanted you to use X11
22:11<mwalling>The following operating systems are also available, but we do not recommend using them with Xen due to bugs or being easy to mess up in Xen: Slackware, Genpoo, NetBSD
22:11<mwalling>easy to mess up... only if you dont bother to read the documentation
22:12<phennessy>mess up is a technical term, huh?
22:13<HoopyCat>their 95th-percentile bandwidth billing could be handy for some things, but eeenh
22:15<Deviation_>So does anyone here whore out their linode? Er...resell services?
22:15<phennessy>probably everyone
22:15<Deviation_>Or is the majority personal use?
22:16<phennessy>i use mine for personal and host websites for friends for small fees
22:17*Peng_ high-fives FloodServ
22:17<Deviation_>Just wondering what kind of access people allow
22:17<phennessy>i only allow them sftp access to their webfolder
22:17<HoopyCat>my personal one is mostly personal, although it does provide a public service or two. my production one is a much tighter ship.
22:18<HoopyCat>my personal one has a couple websites for a friend; she gets ssh access
22:18<HoopyCat>something tells me i'm glad i'm ignoring all mode changes in #linode
22:18<Deviation_>What about th eother?
22:18<Deviation_>*the other
22:18<phennessy>i use to limit their sftp access
22:19<HoopyCat>Deviation_: there's a couple of us who have root access to fix (or, more commonly, break :-) things
22:19<b4>HoopyCat, I have computers just to break
22:19<b4>it's the production system too \o/
22:20<mwalling>phennessy: its not in english!
22:20<phennessy>mwalling: no, but it's pretty cool
22:20<phennessy>if there is something better in english, i'd consider it
22:20<b4>is tjfontaine playign with services?
22:21<phennessy>b4, you missed the botnet spam
22:21<b4>i did?
22:21<phennessy>i dunno, did you?
22:21<Deviation_>did you?
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22:22<b4>i did
22:22<teknicaL>/etc/securetty , would that prevent me from being able to 'su' ?
22:24<b4>pro aby
22:25<kupesoft>teknicaL: It won't prevent a sudo or a privilege escalation, AFAIK
22:25<tjfontaine>that's normal an hour after floodserv sets a quiet
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22:38<jkweb>*sigh* khvcd is using 100% of my cpu.
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22:43<jkweb>And my bloody screen session won't reattach. Wonderful.
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22:49<erikh>whoa, is this turning into an efnet channel?
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22:50<jkweb>Not efnet. Freenode.
22:50<b4>not Freenode. Feenode.
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22:50<chuck>jkweb: freenode isn't like this :P
22:51<zxvf>I have been on freenode because I like to use irc.
22:51*chuck wonders why everyone on OFTC hates freenode with a passion
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22:52<b4>i use Freenode
22:52<zxvf>what is oftc?
22:52<@caker>what's an irc?
22:52<bd_>what's an linode?
22:52<b4>Feenode would make no money
22:53<zxvf>caker: internet relay chat is a protocol for text based communication as defined by rfc 1459
22:53<jkweb>caker: Lish says my linode is off, and any attempts to reattach my in-node screen session ends up stuck.
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22:53<jkweb>Umm... Well, that's no fun.
22:53<zxvf>why do i know which RFC is the RFC for IRC?
22:53<b4>so start it
22:53<DephNet[Paul]>chuck, because they are arrogant pricks :P
22:53<jkweb>b4: My web server is still serving web. My ssh is still... sshing.
22:53<phennessy>maybe you should reboot
22:54<guinea-pig>zxvf: ah, but which one?
22:54<b4>what phennessy said
22:54<phennessy>anything in the lish log?
22:54<zxvf>guinea-pig: which one what?
22:54<guinea-pig>(1459, isn't it?)
22:54<jkweb>Last thing that lish sees is a view of rtorrent.
22:54<zxvf>yes, that's what i just said
22:54<guinea-pig>zxvf: aren't there several revisions?
22:54<b4>there are multiple RC rfcs aren't there?
22:54<phennessy>i think
22:54<@caker>jkweb: I can has sysrq t of that process?
22:55<jkweb>You want a what now?
22:55<guinea-pig>ur mom
22:55<zxvf> The IRC protocol is a text-based protocol, with the simplest client
22:55<zxvf> being any socket program capable of connecting to the server.
22:55<checkers>yes, telnet does work, to answer your unanswered questions
22:56<exor674>your brain can be the client
22:56<@caker>jkweb: sysrq t -- it dumps the process list to console, which I suppose in this case is pointless
22:56*caker ponders
22:56<b4>so can ur mom
22:56<jkweb>sysrq sent.
22:56<jkweb>Erm... sysrq t sent, anyway.
22:56<phennessy>did it display anything?
22:57<mwalling>it said "urmom"
22:57<checkers>that's what she said
22:57<phennessy>that's actually useful
22:57<zxvf>sysrq key does nothing for nobody
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22:59*jkweb echo's b > /proc/sysrq-trigger in hopefulness
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23:00<jkweb>caker: I do have a "dead" screen in lish.
23:00<b4>kill it kill it kill it
23:00<guinea-pig>death! destruction! SCIENCE!
23:01<mwalling>isnt there an env variable you can set in your crontab to set the email address cron sends stuff off to?
23:02<guinea-pig>man 5 crontab
23:02<phennessy>man 5 crontab
23:02<mwalling>oh, i did crontab(1)
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23:02<phennessy>crontab is tricky like that
23:02<mwalling>checking section 5 is prolly a good idea isnt it
23:02<jkweb>Uh-oh... CPU usage went way up the last couple of hours... Crap.
23:02<mwalling>No entry for crontab in section 5 of the manual
23:03<guinea-pig>In addition to LOGNAME, HOME, and SHELL, cron(8) will look at MAILTO if it has any reason to send mail as a result of running commands in ‘‘this’’ crontab.
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23:03<phennessy>slackpkg install manpages
23:03*phennessy ducks
23:03<mwalling>dillion's cron if that makes a difference
23:04<phennessy>i have vixie cron
23:04<guinea-pig>no idea
23:04<guinea-pig>i have vixie, too
23:04<guinea-pig>(as does all of ubuntu and debian i assume)
23:06<erikh>perhaps I should read all the scrollback before I comment.
23:10*jkweb issues a reboot
23:11<mwalling>erikh: in dillions?
23:11<erikh>not sure what you meant there.
23:12<phennessy>erikh: he's using non-vixie cron
23:12<jkweb>caker: 2.6.28 recommended for fixing stuck lish?
23:13<erikh>curse you
23:13<phennessy>"Since dcron does nothing with the MAILTO=
23:13<phennessy>part in a cronjob, the only way to solve this problem is by changed the source,
23:13<phennessy>job.c in this case. The attached patch changed the header to:
23:13<phennessy>thought that would be one line
23:14<mwalling>close enough, thanks
23:14<phennessy>you could apply this gentoo patch
23:14<mwalling>hey, if i wanted to patch and rebuild, i'd have rebuilt perl for sperl so i could have backupping tj style
23:14<erikh>there's a reason nearly everyone uses vixie cron or a derivative :)
23:15<phennessy>hey, you're running slackware!
23:16<phennessy>that was dated 2005 though
23:16<phennessy>just noticed
23:16<phennessy>do a |mail mwalling at the end of the line
23:17<mwalling>or mail mwalling-cron
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23:17<phennessy>whatever floats your boat
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23:21<jkweb>Holy heck... major packet loss in The Planet!
23:23*jkweb pokes caker
23:24<phennessy>did you pay your bill?
23:24<jkweb>I... hope so.
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23:24<guinea-pig>did caker pay his bill?
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23:25<booja>there is a fat pigeon sittin on the lines
23:25<guinea-pig>err, actually, i'm not seeing any loss
23:25<booja>causing packets to leak
23:25<guinea-pig>on a route between HE and TP
23:28<jkweb>Wait a tick... my inet interfaces didn't come up automatically.
23:29<Pryon>you've gone and spilled your packets allover the DC floor
23:31<mwalling>mikegrb: how about Blazer detection?
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23:31<@mikegrb>blazer is crap
23:31*irgeek has furniture now
23:31<mwalling>mikegrb: whats better?
23:32<exor674>hit up IKEA?
23:32<@mikegrb>safari on the iphone :p
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23:32<mwalling>mikegrb: whats ?
23:33<@mikegrb>otp calculator
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23:33<@irgeek>mwalling: Yup. Spent a couple hundred more than I was planning on, but got lots of furniture.
23:34*mwalling redirects to exor674
23:34<booja>no irgeek, now you have a lot of boxes with bits of wood in them that you have to put together
23:34<exor674>I really wish they had IKEAs in this state
23:34<booja>you'll find you're msising at least 3 screws
23:34<phennessy>one from each box
23:35<@irgeek>Most of it's put together already. I am an IKEA building machine. :)
23:35<booja>and 1 L shaped brackety thing, without which your furniture will never be complete
23:35<@irgeek>exor674: Where are you?
23:35<booja>I've never had a bad experience with ikea though, no sir
23:35<phennessy>or some plastic screw that you can only get from ikea
23:35<@irgeek>That's funny. I was in Denver before here, and it pissed me off we didn't have IKEA.
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23:36<@irgeek>The furniture for my apartment there came from the IKEA in San Diego.
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23:36<booja>I do like some of the ikea hacks I've seen
23:36<mwalling>my furniture comes from target...
23:36<exor674>irgeek: I didn't even know how awesome IKEA was till I was visiting a friend in an IKEA'd city and she drug me to it
23:36<phennessy>mine comes from craigslist
23:37<mwalling>phennessy: yeah, that too
23:37<booja>my furniture comes from the salvation army store
23:37<booja>cheaper than ikea :D
23:37<supine>surely you have another source of cheap and nasty plasterboard furniture made in china?
23:37<mwalling>catherine's sewing furniture comes from the army store
23:37<phennessy>i got an awesome real wood tv stand though, i'll probably last WWIII
23:37<mwalling>booja: ^5
23:38<booja>I have a bunch of stuff from garbage pickups on the side of the road too
23:38<booja>lot of the time it just needs a little glue in the joins
23:39<@irgeek>I got my last couch at a consignment shop. I haven't got a couch here yet though.
23:39<exor674>irgeek: thats what moving boxes are for
23:41<@irgeek>We've got mismatched IKEA chairs for now. /dev/gf and I could decide on one style we liked, so we each got our favorite.
23:44<@irgeek>This is what I'm currently sitting on:
23:44<booja>milk crates are awesome too
23:44<@irgeek>Super comfortable.
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23:44<@irgeek>My chair, that is. Not milk crates. Those aren't comfortable at all.
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23:46<booja>ahh I dunno, I've sat on many a crate and they're not too bad
23:46<mwalling>they can be
23:46<mwalling>just need to keep the plastic from cutting into your ass
23:46<booja>your arse gets an interesting pattern though
23:46*mwalling used to sit on crates during sound gigs
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23:47<booja>store your records in them too ?
23:48<mwalling>s/records/mic cables/
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23:51<booja>as you can see, just put a newspaper under yer bum
23:52<phennessy>we have received four times more mail from than any other domain
23:53<@irgeek>I'll stick to my comfy lounger, thanks.
23:54<mwalling>phennessy: really?
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23:54<mwalling>phennessy: er, your surprised?
23:54<mwalling>phennessy: (yes, i believe the number)
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23:55<phennessy>i'm not surprised that it's more
23:55<phennessy>i'm surprised that the scale has changes
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23:56<phennessy>myspace is going down
23:57<phennessy>i think i need a new mailgraph for certain sender domains
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23:57<@irgeek>MySpace is like email, but with a shitty soundtrack.
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23:59<mwalling>i lost ssh, and hulu stopped at the same time
23:59<booja>shhh hulu has stopped
23:59<mwalling>on two seperate computers
23:59<SelfishMan>so did the webcam stream from your mom
23:59<mwalling>SelfishMan: shes on verizon dsl
23:59<mwalling>i'm on rr
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