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---Logopened Sun Feb 08 00:00:51 2009
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00:03<jessereadd>whoa. Ubuntu changed their background?
00:03<jessereadd>When did that happen?
00:03<jkwood>Probably the last release.
00:05<jessereadd>Is there a linode mailing list?
00:05<jessereadd>to be like /pwnt
00:06*jkwood looks
00:07<jessereadd>No luck there.
00:07<jkwood>Nothing on
00:08<jessereadd>ah well, I didn't expect one.
00:08<jessereadd>Would just be an added layer of awesomeness
00:08<mwalling>forums are the common place to bullshit
00:09<jessereadd>Works for me.
00:09<jessereadd>Just I have to go click on forums, mailing lists magically appear in my mailbox
00:09<mwalling>you can add new topic notifications on the forums
00:09<checkers>can't reply
00:10<mwalling>you didnt mention replying... you just mentioned magic appearances in inboxes
00:11*jessereadd conceed
00:11<jessereadd>damn buttons sending messages
00:12<@irgeek>jessereadd: We can look into setting up a mailing list.
00:12<jessereadd>sounds cool.
00:13<mwalling>i'd vote no
00:13<jessereadd>I'm just curious what we'd talk about.
00:13<Internat>what would u want on a linode mailing list, that you dont get from IRC or the forums?
00:13<mwalling>either all mailing list, or all forums... youre going to get fragmentation if you have both
00:14<jessereadd>A) IRC isn't viable during work days currently, that was purely my reason for asking.
00:14<jessereadd>and I dunno what B) is
00:15<Internat>yeah but there are forums and help tickets
00:15<Internat>and mibbit, and other web irc clients ;)
00:15<@mikegrb>mmm cake
00:15<b4>C) cake
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00:15*jessereadd punts mikegrb
00:15<linbot>b4: urmom uses windows vista and likes it!
00:15*linbot points at b4 and laffs
00:15*linbot points at b4 and laffs
00:16<jkwood>jessereadd: Have to be registered with the bot for that one.
00:16<jessereadd>for the fail command?
00:16<jessereadd>it worked though.
00:16<jessereadd>or no, yours did
00:17*linbot dispenses a sixpack
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00:38<b4>i just referred someoen to linode
00:38<b4>from using a dedi
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00:49<b4>they are only movign cuz i broke the dedi
00:50<mwalling>that doesnt count
00:50<bd_>How did you break it? :)
00:51<@irgeek>For the record, Linode does not endorse malicious activity for the purpose of getting a referral credit.
00:51<bd_>But "accidental" activity...
00:51<mwalling>speaking of referals... irgeek: you know when mwalling's referals age out?
00:51<jkwood>bd_: It's b4. Do you really need to ask?
00:52<bd_>jkwood: yes
00:52<bd_>I'm curious :)
00:52<b4>bd_, upgraded from freebs d6.3 to 7.1
00:52<bd_>go install netbsd on his linode! \o/
00:52<b4>i hae netbsd.
00:53<bd_>have or hate?
00:53<b4>i installed it
00:53<b4>and the next day I put freebsd on it
00:53<b4>bd_, hate
00:53<bd_>heh, well, patch the freebsd kernel to work in debug xen hypervisors :D
00:54<b4>or use pv-grub
00:55<bd_>b4: er, even then.
00:55<@irgeek>mwalling: You're oldest is about 2/3s there
00:55<b4>how do you reset the root pass without being able to login
00:55<@irgeek>Er, your
00:55<bd_>there's a page flag that's reserved only on /debug/ xen hypervisors
00:55<mwalling>irgeek: is that dave b's?
00:55<bd_>and at least netbsd was using it for something
00:55<bd_>fortunately nothing very important, so I could sort of waltz in there and cripple the feature in question without too much effort :)
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00:56<@irgeek>mwalling: No
00:59<@irgeek>Surprisingly, the number of people with one referral is ~= to the number of people with two.
01:00<bd_>irgeek: what's the record? :)
01:00<@irgeek>More than you have.
01:01<mwalling>thats what she said
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01:01<@irgeek>There are a few people who linked their referral code from an article/blog post. They are way ahead of the pack.
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01:05<hakr>ima new user xD
01:05<Peng_>Enjoy your flight and don't get DDoSed. :)
01:06<mwalling>or eaten
01:06<hakr>i'll be good
01:10<mwalling>i hate NIH syndrome
01:11<@irgeek>Time for me to head to bed. 'night all.
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01:11<@irgeek>Don't get into too much trouble.
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01:12<Peng_>irgeek: Good night. :)
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01:17<b4>how do you change you hostname in debian?
01:17<b4>I forget.
01:17<b4>edit /etc/hostname?
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01:17<Peng_>b4: That and the "hostname" command.
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01:26<jessereadd>That was fun.
01:26<jessereadd>Dad got my car stuck in a snow/ice bank.
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01:26<jessereadd>Worst part: he was ramming the snow on purpose cause it was "sticking into the road"
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01:43<JoeK>anybody in?
01:43<JoeK>i had the SAME EXACT error and it still worked
01:43<JoeK>but now it doesnt ..?
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01:45<jtsage>which error? the alias bit, or the fact that it can't resolv the system hostname?
01:45<JoeK>the alias is fine
01:45<JoeK>but i dont know which is the fail
01:45<jtsage>servername probably. it likes to know where to serve.
01:45<JoeK>yea, i dont know how to fix it
01:46<jtsage>you can either set your hostname on the system to something that resolves, or throw the address in the .conf (either name or IP). named vhosts will still work fine doing either iirc
01:47<JoeK>how do i change the hostname?
01:47<JoeK>in webmin, i set it to but it didnt change
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01:47<jtsage>hostname -s probably. you can put it in /etc/hostname too, it will get set at boot that way
01:48<JoeK>hostname is empty
01:48<jtsage>(man hostname) - depends on the distribution sometimes for the set flag, if it needs one at all
01:48<JoeK>im on ubuntu 8.10
01:49<jtsage>mmm. just 'hostname' then. and put '' on the first line of /etc/hostname so the change will stick should you reboot
01:49<JoeK>got a new error
01:49<JoeK>i fixed the hostname
01:49<langwill>Hi, I wang to my vps located at Fremont, ca, May I?
01:49<JoeK>root@makaiwell:/etc/roundcube# /etc/init.d/apache2 start
01:49<JoeK>* Starting web server apache2 [fail]
01:50<JoeK>langwill, you have to pick out of the datacentres provided
01:50<JoeK>now i get no errors
01:51<jtsage>hmm. check your error.log - it may provide more details as to why
01:51<JoeK>wheres that? :P
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01:51<JoeK>var/log/apache2 ?
01:51<jtsage>that's the default
01:51<JoeK>error.log is empty
01:52<JoeK>but error.log.1 has 206.175 bytes
01:52<JoeK>root@makaiwell:/var/log/apache2# ls
01:52<JoeK>access.log access.log.4.gz error.log.1 error.log.5.gz
01:52<JoeK>access.log.1 access.log.5.gz error.log.2.gz error.log.6.gz
01:52<JoeK>access.log.2.gz access.log.6.gz error.log.3.gz other_vhosts_access.log
01:52<JoeK>access.log.3.gz error.log error.log.4.gz
01:53<jtsage>might be something useful at the end of error.log.1
01:53<jtsage>might not.
01:53<jtsage>ah hell, back in a while. power cord issues, must fix the stupid laptop again.
01:53<linbot>Hobbsee: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 16, Fremont720 - 8, Fremont1080 - 1, Fremont1440 - 1, Fremont2880 - 1
01:54<Hobbsee>langwill: depends which you want. ^
01:56<JoeK>fixed it!
01:56<JoeK>one of my webusers deleted their logs folder
01:57<JoeK>its not taking index.php as the index
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02:07<spids>anyone here?
02:09<spids>i just signed up and wanted to know if there are any limitations when using your own DD image as apposed to the ones provided?
02:09<bd_>spids: like what kind of limitation?
02:09<bd_>once you upload it, it's the same as any other disk image, really
02:10<spids>well how does lish communicate with the one i set up
02:11<spids>just a little fuzzy on the whole lish thing
02:11<bd_>tty1 for 2.6.18 kernels, hvc0 on 2.6.2x, I believe
02:11<bd_>so run getty on those devices
02:11<Peng_>The "Xenify my distro" or whatever it's called option in the dashboard probably takes care of that.
02:12<bd_>yeah, but it might not work on a custom image, depending one how different it is from the stock ones
02:12<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
02:12<spids>um slackware 12.2
02:13<linbot>jessereadd: "customhowto" could be
02:16<spids>anything else i should worry about other than the tty1?
02:16<spids>im using a VMware image as my dd source
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02:17<jessereadd>I don't believe so, but I am not the one to ask. :X
02:17<jessereadd>*Just signed up today.*
02:17<spids>nice how is it so far?
02:17<jessereadd>Awesome. I love the customizability.
02:17<Peng_>Well, Xen has been known to become sentient and start attacking images with traces of competing platforms.
02:17<Peng_>That's why they had to upgrade all the UML nodes in Atlanta.
02:17*Peng_ nods
02:18*jessereadd backs away
02:18<spids>well any good tips on securing the server
02:18<jessereadd>don't use root
02:18<jessereadd>disable root over ssh
02:18<jessereadd>and change ssh port
02:19<jessereadd>I thinkgs its fail2ban
02:19<Peng_>And install fail2ban or DenyHosts.
02:19<jessereadd>failed ssh attempt, timed ban
02:20<spids>just looking that up now
02:20<chopp>DenyHosts has worked great for me on slackware for a long time, but I hear good things about fait2ban as well.
02:20<spids>cool what does it do?
02:21<Peng_>I run DenyHosts. It works great, but it's frozen ~4 times, leaving me unprotected until I notice. :\
02:21<spids>have u used nagios
02:22<spids>for monitoring
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02:22<spids>can set it up to email u if it goes down
02:22<jessereadd>Linode offers that.
02:22<jessereadd>And auto-reboot.
02:22<Peng_>If I'm reading my email, I'm watching my logs too.
02:23<spids>any problems so far for anyone?
02:23<praetorian> /z 24
02:28<chopp>I've only been around a couple months, but everything about linode is A+ in my eyes.
02:30<spids>cool, ya i ment security wise
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02:32<Peng_>Well, if I have been rootkitted, I haven't noticed. ;)
02:33<spids>just wondering how bad it is out there for ppl running there own servers
02:33<checkers>ISP doesn't really affect you security-wise
02:33<checkers>apart from the level of SSH/RDP brute force attempts
02:33<checkers>I guess if the ISP itself is evil that's another story...
02:33<spids>does fail2ban handle rdp?
02:34<mikeage>Does anyone know if it's possible to share php-cgi's spawned by an external script on behalf of NGINX with Apache?
02:34<checkers>linode doesn't handle rdp :)
02:34<checkers>RDP = windows
02:34<mikeage>all the docs I've seen for mod_fcgid and mod_fastcgi seem to imply that they want to be in charge of the spawning. I'd rather just have them pass the script to php-cgi running on port X
02:35<checkers>mikeage: use one FCGI process with two sockets? I'm not sure if that's possible
02:35<mikeage>no, one socket
02:35<mikeage>and have both NGINX and Apache use it
02:35<checkers>ditto for that
02:36<mikeage>hrmmm. the nginx setup is easy; the initialization of the php-cgi processes and the routing to them is completely independent. I can't seem to figure out how to do that for Apache, though
02:37<spids>thanx guys ttyl
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02:45<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] Drupal 6 is slow in Performance and Tuning <>
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03:27<johnscholtz>hi there
03:27<johnscholtz>any admins around?
03:28<praetorian>admins are the @ops . but if you have a question, others may be able to answer
03:29<johnscholtz>I have just tried to register a new account and it says pending review, was just wondering if I can do anything about that
03:29<mikeage>checkers: I figured it out
03:29<mikeage>I used mod_fastcgi instead of mod_fcgid, and added the following two lines to my virtualhost section
03:29<mikeage>AddHandler php5-fastcgi .php
03:29<mikeage>FastCgiExternalServer /var/www -host
03:30<Peng_>johnscholtz: Move to a country with a lower level of CC fraud? :D
03:31<Peng_>johnscholtz: Anyway, your account should be reviewed in 6 hours at the most. Probably. It is the weekend, after all.
03:31<Peng_>mikeage: mod_fcgid is cooler though. :(
03:31<johnscholtz>ok, thanks peng
03:32<mikeage>Peng_ : do you know a way to use an external server with it, though? I wanted to be able to piggyback onto the php-cgi's I have for NGINX
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03:34<Peng_>mikeage: Sorry, I don't. I was just throwing out unhelpful comments.
03:34<mikeage>I know. I was just pointing out that you were throwing out unhelpful comments :)
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03:39<Peng_>Hm, a little Googling suggests that it isn't possible in mod_fcgid.
03:40<mikeage>even in mod_fastcgi, it doesn't seem to be a popular thing to do; which makes, why _shouldn't_ apache manage the cgi servers?
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03:53<Peng_>Argh, why the heck is Duplicity dying with "No space left on device"?
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06:22<mikeage>Hrmm... just noticed something weird with fastcgi. Whenever I add the line "FastCgiExternalServer /var/www -host", DirectoryIndex stops working! As soon as I remove it, it works again; just tried a fresh install of both apache2 and mod_fastcgi. Anyone ever seen this before?
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06:56<linbot>encode: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 26, Dallas720 - 19, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
07:00<G>encode: I didn't think Linode did Toilet Paper...
07:02<encode>oh, the wit
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10:04<cruxeternus>ipv6 gurus: Is there a way to add a full subnet of ipv6 addresses to a single interface? As in, ifconfig sit1 inet6 add 2001:470:1f0e:55e:1::1/70 ?
10:04<cruxeternus>The command appears to work, but I cannot seem to bind to addresses other than the ::1 one.
10:04<cruxeternus>please point out my n00bness
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11:00<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: not automagically, as far as i know... someone asked about doing something like that in the IPv4 world awhile ago, and i think it came down to either iptables heroics or a kernel patch unless you want to bind each address individually
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11:08<cruxeternus>HoopyCat: Ok, I'm getting the same answer from other sources... I only need a few... it just seems with all the complexity of ipv6, someone might have thought to include a simple way to have an interface pretend to be an entire subnet, for vhost and SSL hosting purposes
11:09<@irgeek>cruxeternus: They did. It's called perl/python/bash etc...
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11:10<nybble>i cant beleive that mikegrb still has that lol script
11:11<@mikegrb>mmm cake
11:11<cruxeternus>he likes cake too
11:11<cruxeternus>And sometimes slackware
11:11<cruxeternus>But not always slackware
11:11<HoopyCat>but only randomly occasionally slackware
11:11<cruxeternus>A timer might be limiting slackware
11:11<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
11:11<nybble>i guess slackware is actually him then ;)
11:11<cruxeternus>You are the winner!
11:12<cruxeternus>You win... an entry-level Linode at the low, low price of 19.95/mo!
11:12<nybble>but...but.... i already have one!
11:12<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: it's probably not that tough of a patch, although if it's made too easy, 9 out of 10 people will blow up their entire subnet accidentally
11:12<cruxeternus>Now you have anothah!
11:12<nybble>yay! and i only have to pay 40/month... what value!
11:13<cruxeternus>HoopyCat: I already did that by adding my whole subnet as an address :P
11:13<cruxeternus>Right now, you can do that command... it already blows everything up.
11:13<cruxeternus>Would be nice if it could also do something uself. :)
11:13<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: but does it blow just your everything up, or everything in your subnet everything? :-)
11:13*CaptObviousman blows up subnets with wild abandon
11:13<HoopyCat>i.e. if you did that in an office environment, would flo the office manager be unable to print?
11:14<cruxeternus>People use ipv6 in their office?
11:14<cruxeternus>I thought this was just for script kiddies and crackers.
11:14<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: ipv4 and ipv6 ain't THAT much different under the hood and configuration-wise
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11:14<cruxeternus>I know.. but with ipv4, scarcity of resources makes the need to map entire subnets to an interface somewhat impractical
11:15<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: people still do it, under the name of search engine optimization
11:15<HoopyCat>and SSL, of course
11:15<cruxeternus>Yes, but those slimy bastards don't care about neat and clean ways to do things.
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11:19<A-KO>I'm just gonna throw this out there
11:19<A-KO>and something you should look at
11:19<A-KO>If you intend to try and work around web vhosting and SSL, look at the latest versions of Apache with SNI support.
11:20<A-KO>Unfortunately, this requires browser support. And not all browsers support it.
11:20<A-KO>It somewhat goes against the grain on traditional SSL implementations, but it allows you to do vhosting of SSL sites and tells apache which certificate to deliver for which domain.
11:21<cruxeternus>A-KO: Yeah, that's another way of solving the problem.
11:21<HoopyCat>including, but not limited to, any version of IE under XP
11:21<cruxeternus>Atm though, I'm just looking to support IRC vhosting :/
11:21<A-KO>yes HoopyCat, this is true. But as we move forward, that should become less and less of an issue.
11:21<@irgeek>The latest versions of IE, FF and Safari all work, fwiw.
11:21<A-KO>irgeek: yeah but not in XP
11:22<HoopyCat>A-KO: nod... planning on ditching our last XP system here later this month
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11:23<A-KO>I use SNI for my sites, but I mean, it all depends on what you're doing. If you're doing a large scale hosting thing and you intend on thousands of users, SNI is probably not something I would consider right yet for that large of an implementation.
11:23<A-KO>But give it another 2 years or so, and I'd say it'll be viable.
11:24<A-KO>Once all these idiots move away from XP :/
11:24<@irgeek>You can also use a cert with alternative subject names, but that requires some extra mangling with the certificate issuer.
11:26<@irgeek>Two years you say? Considering all the netbooks still being sold with XP, I find that a bit optimistic.
11:26<A-KO>You're right, iti s a bit optimistic. But I don't expect XP to be the dominant netbook platform in 2 year's time.
11:27<mwalling>xp supports eye pee vee six
11:27<@irgeek>But it would be ideal considering the IPv4 space is expected to run out in two years.
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11:28<A-KO>I dunno, maybe 2 years is a bit optimistic, but I dunno. I expect to see a dramatic shift. Netbooks hopefully should get more powerful and run more current operating systems. And at least from my local experience, a lot of people are starting to move away from XP.
11:28<A-KO>Most of my company's laptops have Vista on them, while the desktops still have XP.
11:29<mwalling>why all the xp hate?
11:29<mwalling>it works fine with ipv6...
11:29<A-KO>No no, XP was a great OS. But in the context of this discussion, it doesn't support SNI :)
11:29<aaronyy>it does not support sni
11:29<HoopyCat>mwalling: not with SNI, though
11:30<mwalling>wtf is sni?
11:30<HoopyCat>mwalling: Server Name Indication... used with SSL to pick the right cert when you have multiple sites on the same IP
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11:35<@irgeek>I find it interesting that XP is still not capable. The only webserver with no support whatsoever is IIS. Me thinks that if XP supported SNI, there would be yet another mass migration away from IIS of companies wanting to use SNI.
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11:36<@irgeek>It certainly *looks* like MS is holding XP back to maintain market share for IIS.
11:41<death_>if i want to host multiple email domains on the same linode vps, i need multiple ip-adresses right? is this a good enough reason to get more than 1 extra ip?
11:42<BP{k}>SpaceHobo: without seeing it .. "the wrong kind of snow"? ;)
11:43*BP{k} downloads.
11:44<straterra>death_: no
11:44<straterra>you can host multiple domains on one ip
11:44<death_>straterra: not without being classified as spam right?
11:44<mwalling>death_: look at google apps
11:44<mwalling>death_: they have tons of domains, all using their MX servers
11:44<straterra>you just need to set up your dns correctly
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11:45<mwalling>i host mail for 5 domains using 1 ip...
11:46<straterra>i host urmom with one pee pee :P
11:46<linbot>jessereadd: urmom uses slackware.
11:46*linbot points at b4 and laffs
11:46<straterra>that bot is supybot, right?
11:47<mwalling>look at the whois?
11:47<mwalling>look at the version string?
11:47<jessereadd>straterra: yes.
11:47<BP{k}>SpaceHobo: .. I am sure I have seen this on telly before!
11:47<straterra>mwalling: iirc, you know some stuff about supybots
11:48<straterra>I think I need to migrate my eggdrop to supy
11:51<BP{k}>SpaceHobo: hehe. nice. :)
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11:54<gotgrub>Hi. I'm interested in getting pv-grub to work. Can I use the 2.6.26 xen kernel from Debian 4.0 backports? And do I need to rebuild my initrd?
11:54<linbot>jessereadd: "customhowto" could be
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12:01<gotgrub>jessereadd: Hmm. Was that suggestion for me? It seems that the page doesn't cover pv-grub. What I'm experiencing when I attempt to boot using pv-grub and the Debian 2.6.26 xen kernel is that it is unable to mount the root filesystem.
12:02<jessereadd>oh, no - sorry. I was looking at it. >_<
12:02<jessereadd> that's the wiki entry
12:02<jessereadd>You probably already have that though.
12:03<gotgrub>jessereadd: Yeah, I've been there. But there are still open-ended issues. The main thing that would be a relief for me to hear is if someone has done this or something similar before.
12:04<jessereadd>Do you have your profile set to "Xenify" your distro? It runs a helper that makes sure that /etc/inittab and /etc/fstab are correct.
12:04<jtaji>gotgrub: I got it going on ubuntu 8.10 pretty easily
12:04<BP{k}>SpaceHobo: perhaps someone should inform Brown about it... so it can goez on TERROR ALERT!
12:05<gotgrub>jessereadd: Yes, I had it set to xenify, but I don't think that the boot is getting far enough to see those files since the root filesystem was not being mounted.
12:05<jessereadd>Ask jtaji about it. I'm a pv_grub n00b. :P
12:05<gotgrub>jtaji: Hmm. Ubuntu is pretty similar to Debian. Does your configuration use an initrd?
12:05<jessereadd>I know it does "something fancy".
12:06<jtaji>gotgrub: it does, I can quickly describe the steps I used...
12:06<gotgrub>jtaji: Cool, that would be great. I think I just reached some stopping points that I've not been able to get past. So if I can get past them I can sort out the details on my own.
12:07<jtaji>gotgrub: apt-get install grub linux-virtual && mkdir /boot/grub && update-grub
12:07<jtaji>gotgrub: next edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, change kopt=root=UUID=xxxxxxxxxxxx to kopt=root=/dev/xvda ro
12:07<jtaji>change groot=xxxxxxxxxx to groot=(hd0)
12:08<aaronyy>it's just root=(hd0) i think
12:08<jtaji>gotgrub: then update-grub again, then edit linode profile, switch to pv-grub kernel, uncheck xen helpers, and reboot, doe
12:08<gotgrub>jtaji: Ok, I don't think I had done update-grub... Does Ubuntu always use an initrd? It seems that Debian's kernel makes the use of it mandatory, so that nothing could be run properly without using it. But I wonder if Ubuntu is the same in that respect.
12:09<aaronyy>i don't think it's mandatory
12:09<jessereadd>pardon my n00bness for a second: but is the only difference between RHEL and CentOS the repos/proprietary-packages?
12:09<aaronyy>unless you need some fancy module
12:09<mwalling>jessereadd: pretty much
12:09<jessereadd>hm. m'kay
12:10<jtaji>gotgrub: yes it does use an initrd
12:10<aaronyy>gotgrub: but it's nice to have initrd, ubuntu included busybox in initrd i think
12:10<gotgrub>aaronyy: But, I believe that ext2 and ext3 are compiled as modules in the Debian kernel. As far as I know the only way to load a root filesystem is to be able to load one of those modules into the kernel. And the initrd is usually used to do that since it contains the modules.
12:10<aaronyy>so it's nice to fix root fs problem
12:11<aaronyy>if you want to use debian kernel, then you need it probably
12:11<aaronyy>depends on which kernel you are using
12:11<cruxeternus>Any recommendations for kernels > 2.6.20? I need ipv6 connection tracking :/
12:11<jessereadd>So basically, I have RHEL Server from work, that I'm supposed to be "testing" a setup on. And I am lazy and want to shlap the thing onto my Linode. What would I have to change on a CentOS install to give myself access to the repos and such again, or is it more complicated than that and requires a custom OS install?
12:11<aaronyy>i am using 2.6.28
12:11<cruxeternus>aaronyy: no probs?
12:11<aaronyy>i don't think so
12:11<aaronyy>i run my linode on ext4 with lvm
12:11<cruxeternus>2.6.28, and not
12:11<cruxeternus>haha nice
12:12<gotgrub>jtaji: Cool, I see. But I'm confused. You didn't mention that your menu.lst file had an initrd=/boot/initrd-... option.
12:12<cruxeternus>k, I'll give it a whirl... thanks :)
12:12<gotgrub>jtaji: Do you use the "uncompressed initrd" option in Linode? Does that option work with pv-grub anyhow?
12:13<jtaji>gotgrub: indeed, the linux-image-virtual kernel package includes an initrd, and the update-grub command automatically sets up menu.lst
12:13<aaronyy>it's always compressed
12:14<gotgrub>jtaji: Ok. So it sounds like I don't need an initrd=... line at all within menu.lst. I'll give those steps a try. Thanks for the suggestions.
12:15<jtaji>gotgrub: here's my menu.lst
12:16<jtaji>aaronyy: the groot thing is for the update-grub deal, it copies it down into a root line for all installed kernels when you run update-grub
12:17*aaronyy has no idea
12:18<gotgrub>jtaji: Aha. I think I know what I did. I was giving "initrd=..." as part of the command line for the "kernel" grub section. I had originally thought that menu.lst needed Xen itself listed. But then when I saw that the pv-grub page didn't ask for that, I changed from kernel xen to kernel vmlinuz. So I think I need the line starting with initrd.
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12:18<aaronyy>you need to let pv-grub know where is intrd
12:18<aaronyy>pv-grub need to load it not kernel itself
12:19<gotgrub>jtaji: Thanks for the configuration file. I think that cleared up my problem.
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12:24<gotgrub>Hmm. As an aside, when I issue "shutdown -h now" within the Linode, I'd rather not have my Linode automatically restart. Is there a way to disable automatic restart?
12:24<aaronyy>there's option in linode manage
12:25<aaronyy>setttings&utitlits -> Shutdown Watchdog
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12:27<gotgrub>aaronyy: Great, thanks. That's what I was looking for.
12:28<jtaji>gotgrub: keep in mind then shutdown -r won't work
12:28<jtaji>it will just halt
12:28<mwalling>gotgrub: or alias shutdown to "ssh shutdown"
12:28<mwalling>where the ssh string is your lish user string
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12:30<gotgrub>jtaji: Okay, the non auto-reboot is fine with me.
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12:30<gotgrub>I'm happy that pv-grub has just worked, and I've now booted in. Thanks for your help.
12:31<b4>!seen HoopyCat
12:31<linbot>b4: HoopyCat was last seen in #linode 1 hour and 34 seconds ago: <HoopyCat> mwalling: Server Name Indication... used with SSL to pick the right cert when you have multiple sites on the same IP
12:31<gotgrub>When the page says that a > 2.6.18 kernel is needed to be able to use pv-grub, does that include Debian? I don't know whether the page meant ">= 2.6.18". Or whether Debian included the patches necessary to make it work. It seems quite feasible that Debian did include the right patches in its xen kernel.
12:33<aaronyy>xen 3.3.0 start from 2.6.18 i think, you can't patch early kernel with 3.3
12:40<gotgrub>Has anyone gotten LVM to work? I might want to specify root=/dev/mapper/lvm instead of a raw device.
12:40<aaronyy>i got it work
12:41<aaronyy>i didn't a 2 stage installation though
12:41<aaronyy>i mean i did
12:42<gotgrub>aaronyy: What do you mean by two stage?
12:43<gotgrub>I wonder whether it might in principle be possible to run the Debian installer itself (CD-ROM version) within pv-grub, so that the magic creation of scripts and configuration happens transparently.
12:43<aaronyy>i booted from another working system, then do allocate another half of my available space to use as lvm pv, then I do some like deboostrap
12:44<aaronyy>gotgrub: i guess not possible
12:44<mwalling>why not?
12:44<gotgrub>aaronyy: I see. What about having the root filesystem on a LVM? Would your steps work for that setup?
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12:44<aaronyy>either deboostrap or local iso installation i think
12:44<mwalling>use finnix, dd | ssh the iso to an image on your linode, get pvgrub to boot that
12:44<aaronyy>most iso insaller will look for the cdrom, sometime it won't work
12:44<aaronyy>either dd install or deboostrap
12:45<aaronyy>i tried use cd rom initrd to boot, doesn't work on archlinux, not sure about debian
12:45<aaronyy>debian has a network installer
12:46<aaronyy>and all these iso need a squash kernel to boot
12:46<mwalling>slackwares doesnt
12:48<mwalling>if i said a spambot was trying to push mail with a helo of kobi-0b9b17fb9d, would that mean anything to anyone?
12:49<aaronyy>gotgrub: i think you can boot ubuntu image, then use deboostrap from ubuntu to install a debian
12:51<gotgrub>aaronyy: Hmm. Cool, so would I transfer one of Ubuntu's bootable CD's into an image, manually copy its kernel and initrd into a (hd0)/ext2, and then tweak the command line?
12:51<aaronyy>gotgrub: possibly, but i won't bother do that
12:52<aaronyy>some init hard coded to look for cdrom
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12:53<gotgrub>aaronyy: Ok, cool. Thanks for your help.
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12:54*mwalling takes this oppertunity to point out that the simplicity of the slackware installer wins again :)
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13:30<CaptObviousman>has the roundcube problem been fixed yet?
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13:32<straterra>It's been fixed for a while
13:33<straterra>Only the beta release is effected, not the current stable
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13:41<@irgeek>If you consider limiting the exploit being limited to people who have a valid login instead of the entire Internet, then yes. It's fixed.
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13:46<axod>hi, I have a couple of connections stuck in CLOSE_WAIT for what seems forever
13:46<axod>on my server
13:46<axod>seems a bit odd,
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14:00<daniel>b4, you on?
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14:02<b4>daniel, yes
14:02<daniel>b4, could you take a look at my problem in cherokee?
14:03<b4>i don';t have much experience with it, but I can take a look
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14:04<daniel>thanks mate
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14:10<b4>could another IP eb obtained for hosting of IRC servers and other things requireing a dedicated IP for a specific shell user?
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14:18<linbot>mwalling: "ips" could be All new accounts come with one IP and are permitted to add an additional IP via the Linode Manager. If you need more than two IPs, you can open a support ticket and provide proper justification (we abide by ARIN's regulations). Additional IPs are $1.00 per month each. <>
14:19<mwalling>b4: you know the answer
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14:23<b4>not irc vhosts though!
14:23<mwalling>use eye pee vee six
14:24<b4>mwalling, but nobody has IPV6!
14:25<wastrel>i am only using one ip
14:27<b4>b4@apocalypse:~$ sudo ifdown tun6to4
14:27<b4>ifdown: interface tun6to4 not configured
14:28<b4>it's in /etc/network/interfaces
14:30<cruxeternus>b4: I wrote a short script @ /etc/network/if-up.d/ipv6 to use ifconfig to set them up
14:30<b4>it works now
14:30<cruxeternus>ah k
14:31*jkwood slaps SpaceHobo
14:34<b4>cruxeternus, can I have that script?
14:36<b4>i eneds it
14:37<cruxeternus>b4: lemme see if I can find the original tutorial that had it
14:38<Yaakov>Hello, jkwood.
14:38<Yaakov>Hello, SpaceHobo.
14:38<cruxeternus>that's what I used
14:38<Yaakov>Hello, b4.
14:38<b4>hai yaakob
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14:45<Yaakov>I am still sick.
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14:52<Yaakov>How's things in space?
14:56<Yaakov>Rainfall in space is exceedingly reare.
14:56<Yaakov>Space herring?
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15:06<Yaakov>Bleh, no program set to handle ogg.
15:06<Yaakov>My browser is hosed now.
15:07<Yaakov>It might become responsive in a minute or two.
15:07<Yaakov>It is just downloaded to the window.
15:08<Yaakov>Killed it. :( Lost a bunch of windows.
15:08<Yaakov>No, both, really.
15:09<Yaakov>Had to kill the whole thing.
15:10<Nivex>vlc is streaming it just fine
15:10<Nivex>who needs a browser?
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15:13<Yaakov>Well, VLC is doing fine but my broadband is not.
15:14<Nivex>wget urmom
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15:18<Yaakov>My DSL is the worst. But it is slowly getting here.
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15:25<Yaakov>About a minute left.
15:32<Yaakov>Don't people have gas cookers?
15:33<Yaakov>That frequency is really critical. If it slips too far the generators will literally break.
15:34<b4{linode}>i need to rebpt.
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15:34<b4{linode}>printing hoemwork is boring ><
15:34<b4{linode}>Yaakov: i got my uplaod limti raised 10 megabts
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15:39<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: Of course it was the French that nearly destroyed the UK power gird.
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15:57<Yaakov>I still blame the French.
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15:58<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: The Chunnel.
15:58<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: You can, but it is very expensive.
15:58<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: The aerial cables are FAR cheaper.
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16:00<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: I have a nice (British) PDF, just a second.
16:03<Yaakov>Now quite done.
16:03<Yaakov>OK, now.
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16:11<b4>brb rebooting
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16:57<jkwood> That. Is. Awesome.
16:59<mwalling>i see a shitnet ad on that site
16:59<jkwood>adblock ftw.
17:00<jkwood>Besides, I just like the domain name.
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17:06<rsdehart>we can be reasonably sure you like it more than it likes you
17:06<axod>hi, in dns manager, one of them says "HAS ERRORS"... how do I figure out what's up?
17:06<rsdehart>but that's most likely because it's inanimate
17:08<Yaakov>Howdy, jkwood.
17:08<Yaakov>Greetings, mwalling.
17:12<jkwood>Yaakov: o/
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18:06<SelfishMan>"my company emailaddresses on the Bayesian spam filter black list."
18:07<supine>SelfishMan: parse fail
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18:09<SelfishMan>it gets better
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18:26<Internat>just to be sure i have my head in the right space, isnt the bayesian filter, the on the fly thing that spam assawsin does with learning spam/ham?
18:27<Internat>its not a RBL or anything is it?
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18:34<Daniel_G>thats an old one b4
18:34<b4>that just happened to me
18:35<Daniel_G>but ive seen it before, kids getting their hands on scripts
18:35<Daniel_G>then ddos'ing themselves
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18:36<SelfishMan>Internat: Yes, Bayesian filtering is statistical analysis only. In fact, that message had a completely neutral bayes score so it didn't classify it either way.
18:37<Daniel_G>nice sysinfo script b4
18:38<Daniel_G>i quite like vpsinfo
18:38<b4>Daniel_G, it's phpsysinfo.
18:38<b4>i forget where I found it
18:38<Daniel_G>yeah i think ive seen it before, there is some addon that lets you show hardware temp too no?
18:40<JoeK>is there i can ignore something from an ip without ti counting towards my bandwidth meter?
18:40<JoeK>a way*
18:41<Daniel_G>you mean you want to reject packets that hit your server without them counting towards your bandwidth usage?
18:41<b4>JoeK, dntvideos DoS'ing your linode won't use a lot pf bandwith.
18:41<b4>he's DoS you from a dsl conenction
18:41<b4>to a gigabit pipe
18:42<JoeK>yes daniel
18:42<JoeK>you could never be careful enough
18:42<Daniel_G>who is this dntvideo ?
18:43<b4>Daniel_G, a noob scriptkiddiot
18:44<JoeK>but b4
18:44<JoeK>i dont think its coming from his line
18:44<JoeK>you cant ddos localhost and win ..
18:44<JoeK>i think it makes machines somewherre else actually do it
18:45<b4>JoeK, ...
18:45<b4>if a rmeote host DoS'd it would ddos itself
18:45<SelfishMan>Technically, you can't DDoS localhost
18:45<JoeK>but b4
18:45<JoeK>im not sure
18:45<JoeK>can never be too careful
18:46<JoeK>but id still like to know if i can block an ip without its bandwidth counting on my meter
18:46<SelfishMan>JoeK: No, you can't as the packets have to be received by your node in order for it to drop them
18:46<Daniel_G>JoeK: without a hardware firewall infront of your server, i dont see how...
18:47<Daniel_G>some idiot got into my server yesterday, got rid of them but they left behind their little scriptkit
18:47<Daniel_G>brute forcer, port scanner, ddos'er
18:48<SelfishMan>"some idiot"?
18:48<SelfishMan>Seems to me they gained access to *your* system
18:48<Daniel_G>aye it was my own retarded fault, i setup a test account with an easy password to test something and forgot to change it
18:48<Daniel_G>then i found the username/password in their dictionary file
18:48<b4>dnt burnt out his router
18:48<Daniel_G>aye indeed
18:49<JoeK>serves him right
18:49<JoeK>for trying to ddos
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18:51<b4><DnTVideos> i wounder if i can h a c k the g o v e r n m e n t into making it seem like i paid tazes and make them own me $1,000
18:51<b4>that dude fails
18:52<straterra>i dont wanna pay my tazes either
18:52<JoeK>thats impossible
18:52<JoeK>REALLY impossible
18:52<straterra>but..i dont want them to own me for a grand
18:52<JoeK>he even gets in, in about 20 minutes, hell have police at his door
18:52<jkwood>JoeK: "Impossible" is a funny word.
18:53<JoeK>you may get in, but youll get cuaght
18:53<straterra>he can bounce the signal around
18:53<jkwood>I do believe it can be done.
18:53<straterra>havent you played uplink?
18:53<jkwood>I don't believe he can do it.
18:53<JoeK>you will get caught either way
18:53<b4>i wanna play netcat for some reason.
18:53<JoeK>its not like they are dipshits
18:53<straterra> the lvl 3 scanner bypass and you'll be fine
18:53<JoeK>this is real life, not a game
18:54<JoeK>if that was a good way to hack, it would have been dcmad(the game) a while ago
18:54<straterra>is that the name of the new mission? 'real life'?
18:56<straterra> need to upgrade your sense of humor module
18:56<straterra>talking with me requires a level 4
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18:59<b4>how do I block all tarfic form a certain IP?
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19:02<chesty>iptables -I INPUT -s -j DROP
19:04*jkwood misses -j MIRROR
19:05<b4>how do I do tcpdump and ignore ssh?
19:07<chesty>tcpdum -ni eth0 not port 22
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19:09<kmartino>Hello - quick question for the community - for a Drupal based site, with some Django/Python additional functionality - what is the best Linux distro to go with ?
19:11<kmartino>Is Debian 64bit the best choice for a linux-admin newbie ?
19:11<jkwood>I wouldn't use 64-bit, but Debian would probably be a good choice.
19:11<jkwood>64-bit doesn't perform well under low-memory environments.
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19:13<kmartino>got it
19:14<kmartino>i'll go for the base debian then
19:15<jessereadd> okay - quickfire. At this point, what does 64bit servers actually GIVE you?
19:16<jessereadd>I know it takes more memory though :P
19:17<jkwood>64-bit does give better execution speed in most situations.
19:17<jkwood>Sometimes it's noticable, sometimes it's not.
19:18<jkwood>It also allows you to address much more memory than a 32-bit kernel, although PAE helps with that.
19:23<jessereadd>ya, the memory part.
19:23<jessereadd>Besides the speed-bumb and allowed memory increase - anything?
19:24<jessereadd>I mean, I know the allowed memory thing is a really big plus (we use it at work) but I never investigated anthing more than that.
19:24<jessereadd>!google 64*bit processing
19:24<jkwood>Not really.
19:24<linbot>jessereadd: Search took 0.22 seconds: 64 - bit Computing: <>; Microsoft 64 - bit Computing Overview: <>; 64 - bit Processing with the Intel® Itanium® 2 Processor and BEA ...: <>; 64 - bit Computing: (3 more messages)
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19:35<kmartino>feel kind silly here.. but ok,.... the distribution is setup... booted my instance
19:35<kmartino>under host summary, would be my host?
19:36<jkwood>That's the host that your linode is on.
19:37<bob2>once SSH is setup, though, you want to connect to your instance's IP, not the hosts's
19:38<kmartino>ok, so next step is setup ssh
19:39<kmartino>how do i do that?
19:39<bob2>afaik all the standard images include it by default
19:40<kmartino>ah - im in
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19:40<kmartino>now following instructions from the wiki on setting up debian. will check in if i need more help - thanks everyone :)
19:41<jkwood>You're welcome. =)
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19:41<b4>how do I ste the cgi bin dir again?
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19:48<kmartino>okay... got apache up and running... but... I am up to "choose apache2 in options." what options?
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19:49<HalJordan>hey everyone.... curious if there are any current promo or referral codes that anyone would be willing to share? thanks
19:50<jkwood>There aren't currently any active promo codes.
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19:50<HalJordan>jkwood, effectively the only thing available then would be the pay in advance thing (10 percent off) ?
19:51<HalJordan>thx for the info
19:51<jkwood>No problem. Happy to help. =)
19:52<HalJordan>when i do the signup procedure will i be able to choose the NJ dc ? I'm concerned about the ATL dc and it's port blocking issues (will be moving my irc server to linode)
19:53<linbot>jkwood: Newark360 - 53, Newark540 - 12, Newark720 - 16, Newark1080 - 8, Newark1440 - 6, Newark2880 - 4
19:53<jkwood>That would be a yes.
19:54<HalJordan>so for the 360 product it's between NJ and ATL correct?
19:54<HalJordan>as far as availability is concerned there aren't any other sites available right?
19:55<HalJordan>assuming this: is up to date i guess
19:55<@irgeek>HalJordan: That's live data from the DB.
19:55<HalJordan>cool ok
19:55<bd_>HalJordan: order something and watch it go down in real time ;)
19:56<daniel>Anyone here have experience with punbb?
19:57<bob2>HalJordan: you can choose on signup, and move later if needed
19:58<HalJordan>bob2, thx that's what i was wondering
19:58<bob2>(space permitting)
19:58<HalJordan>and the NJ pop has a link with savvis so that's a plus for me
19:58<HalJordan>right i follow
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20:10<m0>linode uses openvz?
20:11<m0>what do they use?
20:11<m0>ah yea
20:12<m0>"t supports a wide range of guest operating systems including Windows®, Linux®, Solaris®, and various versions of the BSD operating systems"
20:12<m0>then why can't we install windows?
20:13<mwalling>because windows doesnt work in the style of virtualization that linode sues.
20:13<kmartino>following instructions here...
20:13<kmartino>successfully installed mysql, myphpadmin
20:13<mwalling>m0: right on and easily deploy your services and
20:14<mwalling>applications on our Xen powered virtual servers.
20:14<kmartino>but ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin/ /var/www-ssl/MySQLManager did not have desired effect
20:15<kmartino>i get " Data Transfer Interrupte The connection to was interrupted while the page was loading"
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20:15<kmartino>at https://[myip]/MySQLManager/
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20:17<kmartino>any thoughts?
20:17<bob2>read your logs
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20:24<kmartino>hmmmm... should /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl read <VirtualHost [MYIP]:443> or <VirtualHost *:443> ?
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20:25<kmartino>i59-231:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
20:25<kmartino>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...[Sun Feb 08 20:24:56 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost has no VirtualHosts
20:25<kmartino> waiting [Sun Feb 08 20:24:58 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost has no VirtualHosts ?
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20:29<kmartino>figrued it out - apache directives
20:29<kmartino> is missing some details
20:29<mwalling>tutorials suck.
20:31<wastrel>i'm using OSX and CyberDuck CyberDuck for SFTP
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20:46<bd_>m0: the reason windows doesn't work in linode's xen deployment is because linode is not operating xen in the hardware emulation mode
20:46<bd_>thus the guest OS must be aware of the fact that it's in xen and know how to use the xen interfaces, instead of just running unmodified code and trapping to emulate hardware access
20:46<mwalling>which is why kernels need to be xen aware
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21:00<jessereadd>Is it sad that I am considering windows for the sole usage of Chrome?
21:01<nybble>jessereadd: somewhat.
21:01<jessereadd>but chrome is nice.
21:01<nybble>why not run chrome on your respected platform through wine or crossover office
21:02<bd_>chrome isn't /that/ nice imo
21:02<bd_>also chrome's security features aren't going to work in wine :)
21:03<jessereadd>I dislike wine.
21:04<jessereadd>And I'm currently using Webkit nightlies, so I'm not *horribly* tortured.
21:05<nybble>use lynx ;)
21:15<abysed>links2 :-o
21:17<jessereadd>I can't wait until the Chromium project has a GUI
21:17<jessereadd>but I'm having a damn gclient sync error
21:18<jessereadd>even though the tree is open
21:18<aaronyy>why not just use windows
21:18<jessereadd>General dislike.
21:19<jessereadd>And my dayjob. :P
21:19<aaronyy>which toolkit chromium uses?
21:19<jessereadd>mostly reason 1
21:19<jessereadd>I'd have to look. I stopped looking when I get my gclient sync error
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21:23<TofuMatt>Chrome is nice, but not switch back to Windows nice, heh
21:23<TofuMatt>Mac and Linux versions are < 6 months away, IIRC
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21:24<JoeK>linode should do windows vps
21:25<JoeK>caker ! :P
21:25<mwalling>seeing as how caker is a mac whore... i doubt he'd go for that
21:26<bd_>TofuMatt: "We have a 511mb executable that brings up an empty window." <-- chromium linux porting progress
21:26<HIghoS>Is it really that far behind?
21:26<TofuMatt>JoeK: krypt is a good Windows VPS, if you're actually serious, lol
21:26<TofuMatt>bd_: :'(
21:26<JoeK>i could use a windows vps
21:26<HIghoS>I mean, I know it's not available, and you can dl the code. But it *is* webkit/khtml.
21:27<TofuMatt>Maybe it was just the Mac version that's coming soon
21:27<JoeK>i dont want to go with 1and1 for windows vps, but meh
21:28<bd_>how well do windows VPSes run with 360mb of RAM?
21:28<TofuMatt>As well as Windows can ;-)
21:28*TofuMatt had a Win2K3 VPS at Krypt
21:28*HIghoS is still surprised you guys always complain so much about RAM usage. I remenber using 64MB VM's and *liking* it.
21:28<TofuMatt>had 256 dedicated RAM, and it ran OK
21:28<TofuMatt>it was running IIS 6 and MySQL + MSSQL
21:29*TofuMatt has a Linode 540 but uses hardly any RAM
21:29<JoeK>i have a linode 360 and almost maxed out ram
21:29<bd_>whatever happened to the good old days when linux worked just fine with 4mb of RAM :(
21:29<TofuMatt>The only big RAM hog is MySQL, which isn't so bad... and I spawn a tonne of PHPs for different users/sites (custom php.ini s)
21:30*TofuMatt used to use up a lot of RAM when he was running Apache + mod_php/mod_python/mod_ruby
21:30<TofuMatt>Much as I like Chrome on Windows, I think that's just because midway through Firefox 2's life I started to hate it, and Safari on Windows sucks
21:30<JoeK>mikegrb: ping
21:30*TofuMatt will probably stick with Safari even when Chrome for Mac comes along
21:31<JoeK>Can i use remote server to get on my linode?
21:31-!-pyrotechnick [] has joined #linode
21:31<JoeK>like remote control >.
21:31<pyrotechnick>can someone please hook me up with a domain or ip for each of the datacenters
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21:32<linbot>HIghoS: "download" could be
21:32<HIghoS>pyrotechnick: ^
21:32<linbot>pyrotechnick: "download" could be
21:34<pyrotechnick>where would you recommend for best pings from the east coast of australia?
21:34<linbot>mwalling: "download" could be
21:34<mwalling>find out for your self
21:34<supine>it's the only one on the west coast and right near where most trans-pacific networks land
21:35<JoeK>linode should have like 32gb ram linodes
21:35<JoeK>^ >:D
21:35<@tasaro>JoeK: we do
21:35<JoeK>do tell
21:39<b4>tasaro, :o
21:39<b4>tasaro, I assume you has one?
21:41*encode has them all
21:41<encode>all your 32gb ram linodes are belong to me
21:43<wastrel>luckily i don't have a 32gb linode
21:43<jessereadd>Why would you need that
21:44<jessereadd>the only time I've used a 32GB server for a single task was a damn Windows Exchange box
21:45<aaronyy>how many users can it support?
21:45<jessereadd>Not as many as it should. :P
21:45<jessereadd>I forget the numbers.
21:45<jessereadd>I'm the deployment guy, not the regular admin.
21:46<jessereadd>I deal with staging and active systems development. That's about all I do.
21:46<jessereadd>Keeps me from dealing with clients :P
21:48<jessereadd>Arg. Is it normal for your boss to tell you don't login to ADC out of the office?
21:48<wastrel>what's adc
21:48<jessereadd>I want my 10A261 Server seed. D:<
21:48<jessereadd>Apple Developer Connection
21:49<pyrotechnick>moar liek
21:49<pyrotechnick>a dancing chimpanzee
21:49<jessereadd>I laugh at how long you took to think of an ADC response :P
21:50<pyrotechnick>i laugh at how long it took me to get a mac
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21:59<aaronyy>Is innodb faster than myisam?
22:00<checkers>only for high concurrency
22:00<checkers>for your site, it's probably marginally slower, but use it anyway
22:00<aaronyy>dunno, wordpress seems slow
22:01<SelfishMan>apc + wp super cache = less wordpress suckage
22:01*irgeek really doubts wordpress seems slow because of your MySQL table format.
22:01<aaronyy>300ms to generate an almost empty page
22:02<@irgeek>How much of that is MySQL queries?
22:02<aaronyy>18 with cache i think
22:02<aaronyy>18 queries. 0.049 seconds.
22:03<aaronyy>isn't that slow actually, just not as fast as i would expect
22:04<daniel>thats not to slow :P
22:04<daniel>for 18 queries meh
22:04<daniel>but yeah use php + APC (or eAccelerator at least)
22:04<daniel>then wp super-cache
22:04<daniel>or try chyrp? :D
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22:06*irgeek mumbles something about understanding the problem before defining the solution
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22:07<SelfishMan>irgeek: What solution would that be?
22:07<b4>if I get kicked
22:07*linbot points at b4 and laffs
22:07<b4>irssi segfaults
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22:11<@irgeek>You really shouldn't tempt me like that b4
22:12<b4>irgeek, i'm not using irssi right now.
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22:20<jessereadd>Is there like a "staff" page where you can read up on the team?
22:22<@mikegrb>chesty: itym
22:22<b4>try that.
22:24*linbot points at b4 and laffs
22:24<b4>jkwood, i know!
22:25<jkwood>There's a semicolon in your url. ;)
22:29<b4>try that
22:30*exor674 loves the 404 page haha
22:31<jessereadd>it was indeed funny.
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22:34<SelfishMan>Can we get linbot to automatically do !fail at random intervals? I'm pretty sure it would never be wrong or inappropriate
22:34<jessereadd>I dislike how you hve to be registered with the bot to do it.
22:34<jessereadd>no go. :(
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22:35<aaronyy>i feel better now, b4's wordpress is just as slow as mine
22:36<b4>aaronyy, i got my upload speed limit raised 10 megabits
22:36<b4>jessereadd, registering is easy
22:36<b4>and free
22:36<jessereadd>with linbot?
22:36<b4>(free to register with linbot)
22:36<jessereadd>orly. I thought it was like, a staff thing.
22:37<aaronyy>i think php+mysql is just slow
22:37*linbot points at b4 and laffs
22:37<SelfishMan>PHP is slow
22:38<linbot>SelfishMan: urmom uses windows vista and likes it!
22:39<b4>php is slow?
22:39<b4>how do I fix it?
22:40<SelfishMan>apt-get purge php5
22:40<neale>use a different language?
22:40<b4>SelfishMan, that won't help speed yp php much
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22:40<SelfishMan>b4: Yes it will. The pages will be returned as raw text in a fraction of the time that it takes for PHP to render them.
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22:43<neale>that's very true.
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22:56<aaronyy>phpsysinfo doesn't work for me
22:57<aaronyy>File(/bin/lsb_release) is not within the allowed path(s):
22:57<mwalling>wtg safe mode
22:58<aaronyy>no, it's not
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23:00<mwalling>wow... just lost some respect for neale...
23:01<aaronyy>ok fixed, open_basedir = /
23:02<linbot>jessereadd: urmom is so old she makes slackware look like a newborn
23:03<tsp>I got nickserv registered, not to register for linbot
23:03<tsp>s/not t/now t/
23:03<mwalling>linbots userdb is unrelated and unaware of nickserv's userdb
23:03<tsp>Are the passwords for it encrypted?
23:04<mwalling>linbot's not connected by ssl
23:04<tsp>I just got ssl going over here
23:05<b4>mwalling, why do people love emacs?
23:05<b4>does VIM have an irc client...
23:05<tsp>b4: someone got ii and vim working together
23:05<mwalling>b4: thats like hauling a boat with a k car
23:05<mwalling>it can be done, but its stupid
23:05<b4>I love stupid stuff.
23:06<mwalling>we know
23:06-!-X-LP is now known as stupid_stuff
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23:06<scorche>b4: you should check out "ii" then
23:06-!-stupid_stuff is now known as X-LP
23:07*scorche looks up a few lines
23:07<tsp>I still want a merging of ed and emacs with proper RE support
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23:08<mohney>Hi, my linode's lish looks to be frozen.. anyone here available to help from linode?
23:08<jessereadd>and so the treachery of my annual Ubuntu vs. OS X begins.
23:08<jessereadd>my laptop will hate me after this.
23:08<LogicHoleFlaw>Hello #linode. I just got a 360 node :) I've installed Debian stable. I'm a bit concerned that I'm seeing a steady 500kbps incoming bandwidth though. It's already eaten through 10GB of transfer on a totally idle server?!
23:08<mwalling>mohney: if you can stand to wait till tomorrow caker has some sekrit sauce he wants to try
23:08<mwalling>mohney: pingzors irgeek so he tells caker in the morning
23:09<LogicHoleFlaw>Any ideas what would cause this behavior?
23:09<tsp>LogicHoleFlaw: Just curious, what software are you using to monitor that?
23:09<mwalling>LogicHoleFlaw: seeing much outbound traffic?
23:09<LogicHoleFlaw>Just the linode control panel software.
23:09<mwalling>LogicHoleFlaw: if not, it might be a bug that irgeek might want to look at
23:09<LogicHoleFlaw> No outbound to speak of.
23:09<mwalling>tsp: those damn graphs :) have min/max/avg numbers on them
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23:09<mohney>hmm there's no other way to restart / refresh lish?!
23:10<mwalling>mohney: reboot... but caker has a trick he wants to try from the host side
23:10<mohney>i thought lish was our last line of defense of sorts, i turn my SSHd off when i dont need it
23:10<mohney>i guess i'll wait it out then
23:10<tsp>Someone wrote a perl script that grab linode bandwidth stats, that rocks
23:10<LogicHoleFlaw>I've locked down ssh and the firewall straight up drops connections outside of port 80. No web server installed or listening.
23:10<tsp>s/grab l/grabs l
23:10<tsp>LogicHoleFlaw: could someone be DDOS'ing you?
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23:11<jkwood>tsp: Not highly likely.
23:11<mwalling>tsp: if its the bug i witnessed, then you see inbound traffic for other nodes
23:11<LogicHoleFlaw>It could be I suppose. I'd be surprised by that though, as this behavior started a couple hours after I booted the node for the first time.
23:11<LogicHoleFlaw>It's kinda spiky
23:11<tsp>LogicHoleFlaw: tcpdump it?
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23:13<LogicHoleFlaw>tsp: I'll give that a look. lsof -i shows only my dhcp client and sshd with open sockets and only my ssh sessions as active connections.
23:14<LogicHoleFlaw>tcpwrappers is set to drop basically everything, etc. I ran through a bastille configuration.
23:14<LogicHoleFlaw>Locked myself out and had to use lish to recover, haha.
23:14<mwalling>the fact that its a freshly booted node, and has no outbound traffic, it sounds like that bug i saw. if it is, they can wave a magic wand and it will fix itsself
23:15<LogicHoleFlaw>Interesting. Should I open a ticket?
23:15<mwalling>cant hurt
23:15<LogicHoleFlaw>(fiddling with tcpdump now...)
23:15<mwalling>i freaked out that morning thinking i had been dossed... whined to mikegrb, he did some hocus pocus and it stopped
23:16<mwalling>i *think* he might have even reset my counter for the month, but i dont remember... and i hardly ever break 100gigs anyway
23:16<daniel>the DNS nameservers are yah?
23:19<bob2>the authoratitive oens are
23:20<mwalling>good point...
23:20<SelfishMan>mwalling: You pissed someone off or what?
23:21<jessereadd>SelfishMan: Do you even have to ask?
23:21<jessereadd>God. This boot camp repartition is taking forever. I guess I shoulda just used a spare drive.
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23:22<SelfishMan>jessereadd: Yes. I don't see mwalling as the type to frequently piss off script kiddies
23:22<mwalling>SelfishMan: keep reading
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23:22<mwalling>SelfishMan: some bug in the host's filters or something
23:23<SelfishMan>I had network problems from multiple monitoring nodes to my nodes in three different DCs last night
23:24<jessereadd>What monitoring do you use?
23:24<SelfishMan>my own
23:24<SelfishMan>The thing is, my graphs are almost exactly the same on each one
23:25<mwalling>sure you werent hit by y2k9
23:26<SelfishMan>On all three of my nodes between 1 and 2am (MST) my inbound traffic hit 14.56Mb/s
23:27<LogicHoleFlaw>Ok yeah, tcpdump is showing activity on the interface, but no activity pointed at this actual node.
23:27<LogicHoleFlaw>Except for stuff like me pinging it.
23:27<LogicHoleFlaw>And ssh
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23:28<mwalling>LogicHoleFlaw: yeah... sounds like what i saw... just wait for the magic wand... IME, they're very reasonable about accounting for your usage during this time
23:28<LogicHoleFlaw>someone ping and I'll see if it registers :)
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23:28<LogicHoleFlaw>I see it, thanks
23:29<jtsage>to whomever turned me on to git - thank you. i've never used version control and had it be this simple.
23:29<aaronyy>Minimum = 70ms, Maximum = 967ms, Average = 519ms
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23:29<LogicHoleFlaw>Within about two hours of this thing going up I started getting ssh brute-force attempts O_o. None since I changed ports for that though.
23:30<mwalling>welcome to the public internet
23:30<LogicHoleFlaw>heh, thanks
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23:31<LogicHoleFlaw>Been a while since I worked on anything really public-facing.
23:31<LogicHoleFlaw>I've been doing mostly internal app dev for my employer the last few years.
23:31<LogicHoleFlaw>Getting laid off next month though so it's time to brush up things a bit :)
23:32<tsp>I'm trying to find somewhere to ask for application development advice
23:32<mwalling>tsp: i usually come here
23:32<tsp>Here's the problem I'm facing
23:32<tsp>I'm a huge reader of fanfiction, and I want ot archive it
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23:33<tsp>s/ot a/to a/
23:33<tsp>but I can either archive the individual stories, or entire websites, and I'm not sure where to go
23:33<tsp>If I archive the stories, I can easily search them and categorize them. But the websites have info that might be critical to the stories
23:34<tsp>If I archive the websites, I can't just go find one story by one author or categorize the stories so I'm stuck
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23:35<jkwood>jtsage: You're very welcome.
23:35<tsp>But the website archive only will really work with the older static websites
23:36<jtsage>jkwood: and it helps that gitweb is just *pretty*. gotta love a nice color diff display. :)
23:37<tsp>I have no idea where to go from here
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23:43<checkers>tsp: full text search will only be easier. archive more
23:43<checkers>and pick a better hobby...
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23:43<tsp>checkers: ah, so archive the sites if I can?
23:45<checkers>you can go from full site -> story, but not the other way
23:45<checkers>the only thing you'll waste is storage space, and for text that is cheap enough anyway
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23:46<tsp>Is there a good tool to archive sites?
23:47<tsp>I can use wget, but I don't think I can update it
23:49<Pryon>Oh, never mind. I though you meant *your* sites
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23:52<b4>installign fbsd breaks rsync
23:52<tsp>aaronyy: I don't think's tools are open source
23:53<tsp>I want to archive peoples sites with their stories on them
23:53*aaronyy no idea
23:54<b4>installign fbsd breaks rsync]
23:54<b4>im tired
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23:55<checkers>tsp: wget and run it with a nice timeout
23:56<checkers>there's an option to only download files if they are newer than the last one you grabbed
23:56<checkers>it works as long as the site uses Last-Modified headers properly, that is...
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