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---Logopened Tue Feb 24 00:00:02 2009
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00:09<BP{k}>phennessy: ;)
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00:09<BP{k}>ack .. bad copy+paste :|
00:10<phennessy>i was just looking at
00:10<phennessy>i'm not too fond of the reviews though for the price
00:11<phennessy>i don't really need anything else that requires batteries
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00:14<phennessy>i think i might just pick up another cheapo clock at the store
00:14<taewoo>im pulling out my hair trying to set up PostFox
00:15<phennessy>i'd just do internet site when it installs
00:16<phennessy>are you hosting mail?
00:16<phennessy>or just sending?
00:16<taewoo>just want to send
00:16<phennessy>dpkg-reconfigure postfix
00:16<taewoo>thinking of using google app for internal communication purposes
00:16<phennessy>pick internet site and enter your hostname
00:17<taewoo>what does that command do?
00:17<phennessy>reconfigures the config files
00:17<phennessy>like when you first installed it
00:18<phennessy>there's lots of stuff out there for postfix, but i must sleep
00:18<taewoo>but that won't solve the issue of me needing an outgoing mail account..
00:18<taewoo>example, verifying email registartion
00:18<phennessy>well the easiest thing to do is get google apps
00:18<phennessy>you can set MX records to point your mail to go to them
00:19<phennessy>and create there to receive incoming mail
00:19<phennessy>then configure postfix for internet site, but don't bother with dovecot or maildir
00:19<phennessy>and set your application to mail out as that
00:20<phennessy>i'm probably missing some vital stuff here
00:20<phennessy>you can configure postfix to relay your mail through google's servers if you want
00:20<phennessy>but you need accounts created there first
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00:48<Internat>out of interest, anyone here done much with suexec and apache
00:48<Internat>im corious to know if you need to use fcgi for php and suexec, or if you can just use suexec and mod_php
00:50<taewoo> what's the command for installing perl + all its related packages?
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00:52<supine>apt-get install kitchen-sink
00:53<supine>Internat: my understanding of suexec is it needs to spawn a child so mod_php would be a no go
00:53<Internat>makes sense. just thought id check :)
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00:54<checkers>taewoo: trick question?
00:54<taewoo>checkers: nope, im linux noob
00:54<taewoo>i used WAMP... thus point + click
00:55<bd_>Internat: you could run fcgi on a unix domain socket, start it from another user, and have apache to connect to that, I think.
00:55<bd_>it's been a while since I did that, and I did it using lighttpd though
00:55<checkers>taewoo: what distro is that?
00:56<checkers>wait, if you use WAMP, why are you asking in a channel for linux only VPSes?
00:56<bd_>Internat: also note that that approach does not scale to a large number of users
00:58<Internat>its ok, im happy with fcgi :) just thought id ask
00:58<Internat>just need to remember how to time out the fcgi processes when they arent used anymore
01:01<checkers>time out?
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01:02<Internat>asin if the site doesnt get a hit for another 2hrs, i dont want to keep a fcgi process alive for it :P
01:02<Internat>it can have the slow respawn time
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01:11<taewoo>do I need to do anything for apache to read .htpasswd files?
01:16<SelfishMan>taewoo: A line in your .htaccess restricting access and pointing at the .htpasswd file
01:18<taewoo>Selfish This is what I have
01:19<taewoo>i restarted but the prompt doesn't coe up
01:21<StevenK>Is mod_auth loaded?
01:22<taewoo>sorry guys, im a noob.. how do i install/check that?
01:23<SelfishMan>a2enmod auth
01:24<taewoo>i got "This module does not exist!"
01:24<SelfishMan>a2enmod auth_basic then
01:25<taewoo>This module is already enabled!
01:26<taewoo>i just restarted y apache
01:26<taewoo>still the passwd prompt is no-show
01:26<StevenK>Change mod_auth.c to mod_auth_basic.c in your .htaccess
01:27<taewoo>nope... no luck even with it..
01:28<StevenK>Remove the IfModule lines?
01:30<taewoo>.... remocing the IfModule line doesn't help
01:30<StevenK>Does your configuration specify any AllowOverride?
01:31<taewoo>my entire .htaccess:
01:32<StevenK>I'm asking about the configuration for the site under /etc/apache2
01:33<taewoo>i avhet the standard /etc/apache2/apache2.conf... and that override lines are commented out
01:35<StevenK>What about /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ?
01:37<taewoo>"AllowOverride None"
01:37<StevenK>That's why
01:37<StevenK>With AllowOverride None, apache won't even go look for a .htaccess
01:39<taewoo>so change to...?
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01:42<taewoo>Steven: u da man
01:44<taewoo>thanks for your help
01:44<StevenK>No problem
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01:59<taewoo>Steven: Actually i have another issue, related to htacces i think
02:00<StevenK>Which is?
02:00<taewoo>i have a subdir called "affiliate", which has another subdir callled "affiliates"
02:00<taewoo>for some reason the first subdir is read fine
02:01<taewoo>but the sub of sub is not
02:01<StevenK>So $site/affiliate works and $site/affiliate/affiliates doesn't?
02:02<taewoo>i changed Override None to Override All
02:02<StevenK>That sounds more like permissions
02:02<taewoo>in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
02:02<taewoo>I ran chmod -R 755 affiliate
02:03<StevenK>What do the logs say?
02:03<taewoo>which ? access for apache?
02:03<StevenK>error.log for apache
02:04<taewoo>[Mon Feb 23 23:04:14 2009] [notice] child pid 6595 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
02:04<StevenK>That's bad
02:04<taewoo>i just ran it ... the seg fault occurs every time
02:05<taewoo>so.. the remedy..?
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02:05<StevenK>Well, you need to debug why apache segfaults
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02:06<taewoo>.... that's outside the scope of what i am capable of
02:08<taewoo>is this not a .htaccess issue?
02:08<StevenK>I doubt it
02:09<SelfishMan>What is the content of afiiliate/affiliates? CGI, PHP, static HTML, etc?
02:10<taewoo>this code is tested
02:10<SelfishMan>Maybe not tested enough
02:10<SelfishMan>PHP can easily segfault
02:10<taewoo>it's a commercial software
02:10<SelfishMan>Try creating a static HTML file in that directory and then access it
02:10<taewoo>i did not write it
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02:11<SelfishMan>taewoo: So is Windows Vista and we both know how people feel about it's stability
02:12<pyrogenix>windows vista is built around taking more resources than necessary
02:12<taewoo>Yeah ok.. u're right.. it is the PHP
02:13<taewoo>by the way, how did u know i was runnign Vista?
02:13<SelfishMan>I would check with the vendor to see what version of PHP it requires and any special config it might need
02:13<SelfishMan>taewoo: Because I'm just that good
02:14<taewoo>extra points for the humility
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02:27<taewoo>u're right SelfishMan
02:27<taewoo>this commercial software breaks when the DB settings are incorrect
02:27<taewoo>thought i've never seen PHP/apache seg fault due to DB reasons...
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02:51<SelfishMan>Dear Thank you for performing 15000 404 queries against URLs that never existed on my site. I really enjoyed that extra load for those 5 minutes.
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03:12<checkers>how much load does a 404 generate?
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03:13<Internat>1 not so much, 15000, probably a bit
03:14<SelfishMan>In a 5 minute period it generated enough to throw an alert at me
03:15<SelfishMan>They kept querying for things like '/wp-includes/js/jquery/text/xml' and it isn't even a wordpress site
03:15<checkers>wwas it hitting a backend?
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03:23<encode>SelfishMan: what was your website again?
03:23*encode fires up his favourite text editor
03:24<encode>im sure i can do better than 3000/minute
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03:24<Internat>its a search engine company
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03:28<Singh>Any coupon for me to use? :D
03:28<Internat>none at the moment Singh
03:29<Internat>i can give you a referal code though ;)
03:29<Singh>Also, billing system is charging me $3 for 24th to 28th feb. which is quite weird and they should just make it free for last 10 days of the month for new user registering in that time.
03:29<Singh>just a suggestion :)
03:29<Singh>i mean, it's quite uninviting :)
03:29<Internat>why would they do that
03:30<Internat>ppl would sign up, use it for a few days, and then quit.
03:30<Singh>Of course you are charged for the next month in advance.
03:30<Internat>so? they could still close the account for a refund.
03:30<Singh>i'm being charged $3 + $20
03:30<Internat>would you like a hug? or a tissue? :P
03:31<Internat>10 days is 1/3rd of a month
03:31<Internat>thats 1/3rd of the income
03:31<linbot>Why would you steal money from Linode when you didn't refer this person?
03:31<Singh>Referral codes have whole month free.
03:31<Internat>promotion codes might
03:31<Internat>refereal codes dont.
03:31<Singh>oops yeah, i mean that
03:31<Internat>bah @ SelfishMan, now you make me feel bad :P
03:32<chesty>i don't mind feeling bad
03:32<Internat>i assume that is why referalbot disappeared though
03:32<SelfishMan>Internat: The caker freaked out a while ago about that
03:32<chesty>there was a referral bot?
03:33<Internat>yeah i can understand why
03:33<SelfishMan>[15:37] caker: seriously, people? why steal from us for no good referral?
03:33<Internat>one of the regs put together a bot that you could regsiter your referal code with
03:33<Internat>and you could type !referal and it would randomly pick a code out of its database for whoever wanted it
03:34<chesty>ah, well at least they shared
03:34<Internat>yeah the bot did logic to make sure one code wasnt getting abused etc.. but yeah i can understand why its no longer here
03:34<Singh>anyone wants me to enter him/herself as a referral? I'm signing up :)
03:34*SelfishMan wonders why people continue to visit
03:34<Internat>nah, if i give you my code im going to feel bad now
03:35<SelfishMan>ha ha ha
03:35<Singh>bad for
03:35*encode voids SelfishMan's mother's warranty
03:35-!-Singh is now known as Gurpartap
03:35<Gurpartap>no one?
03:36<SelfishMan>encode: That bitch's warranty ran out decades ago
03:36<Internat>i actually LOL'd for that call
03:36<innociv>When you do a support ticket, is it good to say thanks at the end, or just nto sending another message because it's another message the support team has to read?
03:36<encode>SelfishMan: how do you work out the expiry date? i wanna check my mother's warranty
03:37<Internat>innociv: dunno what the best practice is, but i normally say thanks.
03:37<SelfishMan>innociv: Don't do another ticket because that just adds to the pile. Even worse on a closed ticket because then you re-open it
03:37<checkers>if the ticket is sitll open, I say thanks
03:37<innociv>that's what i usually figure, selfish.
03:38<checkers>and if it was a big job or pebkac error I send one regardless
03:38<innociv>i want to say thanks but i think it's going to put a message they have to read
03:38<Internat>if its a pebkac error, i normally say thanks publicly in the channel or forums
03:38<@mikegrb>mmm cake
03:38<SelfishMan>Send them a cake instead
03:38<SelfishMan>or pie
03:38<Internat>ive had some brilliant pebkacs in my time.
03:39<SelfishMan>I'm always annoyed that nobody ever calls me to say they have pie. It's always because something broke.
03:39<@mikegrb>mmm cake
03:39<encode>there should be an extra you can add to your account, that sends linode a cake
03:39<encode>i think i'll make a feature request
03:39<@mikegrb>mmm cake
03:39<Internat>when is linodes bday? we should all buy a cake for then :P
03:39<SelfishMan>Internat: Can't be any worse than 'find . -user mwalling|xargs rm' can they?
03:39<encode>Internat: i dont know. /me sends them a ticket to find out
03:40*SelfishMan opens a ticket asking their email address to find out the Linode mailing address
03:40<Internat>i remember being arround when some guy set his ip to be the gateway's ip, and took over traffic fo a bit
03:41<SelfishMan>They have since filtered that stuff I believe
03:41<chesty>you'd hope so
03:41<Internat>They have.
03:41<Internat>i remember boning a few things back when had to move TT lib folder out of the way all the time.
03:41<SelfishMan>Anyone have a postal code handy for a place where it is raining?
03:42<encode>raining right now?
03:42<Internat>that was back when i had a linode 32 or 64 or something simular
03:42<SelfishMan>and by 'raining' I mean 'raining according to Google'
03:42<Internat>not my 360 and 540 which i have now
03:45<encode> <-- i think that makes the linode anniverary June 16th
03:45<@mikegrb>mmm cake
03:45<linbot>New news from forums: Cake as an account extra in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
03:45<bob2>hm, i thought 64 was the smallest
03:45<encode>64 was the smallest when i started
03:45<Internat>it may have been 64, its been a while.
03:45<encode>but i started early '05
03:45<encode>things could have easily changed in nearly 2 years
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03:46<Internat>i was first or 2nd year uni.. so it could have been 2003 or 2004
03:46<Internat>my first bill is march 16, 2005
03:46<Internat>but i shared an account with a friend for a year
03:47<raistlinthewiz>hi there
03:49<raistlinthewiz>hi any admins avaible?
03:49<Internat>there probably still in bed.
03:49<Internat>Anything we can help with?
03:49<Internat>Were a pretty knowledgeable bunch
03:49<raistlinthewiz>is there an additional ip limit per linode?
03:49<Internat>you can two 2 ips without any justiciation
03:49<Internat>anything more and you have to justify it.
03:50<Internat>APIN/APNIC rules apply
03:50<raistlinthewiz>i was going to request more for an extreme condition :/
03:50<Internat>how many more? and what extremem condition?
03:51<raistlinthewiz>i've 2 linode machines and in a total i need like 5-10 additional ips for 2-3 days
03:51<Internat>i dont like your chances, but you could ak
03:51<Internat>dare i ask why you need them for only 2-3 days?
03:51<raistlinthewiz>still i have to wait caker
03:51<raistlinthewiz>i run a big world of warcraft site
03:51<raistlinthewiz>and with development version i made some database changes
03:51<raistlinthewiz>and i have to re-run my spider
03:52<raistlinthewiz>have to query arround 70,000 toons
03:52<raistlinthewiz>in 2-3 days i can just finish it
03:52<Internat>world of warcraft will block you wont they
03:52<raistlinthewiz>yes i think i got a temp.block for my main ip
03:53<SelfishMan>I doubt they will issue extra IPs for that purpose as it effectively poisons those addresses for future use
03:53<Internat>yeah, pretty sure your going to be out of luck there.
03:53<SelfishMan>You might want to look at using EC2 for that task
03:53*Gurpartap awaits manual review of his node. :)
03:53<Internat>Id be very surprised if they gave you the extra ips for the purpose of bypassing a limit.
03:53<aaronyy>or gogrid
03:53<aaronyy>gogrid off 16 ip for free account
03:54<raistlinthewiz>will check out
03:54<raistlinthewiz>anyway ill drop down the crawl limit
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03:56<Internat>mm gogrid.. interesting concept.
03:57<aaronyy>nothing special i think
03:57<aaronyy>just another xen cloud
03:58<Internat>so is the idea behind it for quick tear up and tear down projects?
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03:59<aaronyy>not as good as ec2, no custom image
03:59<aaronyy>need to reinstall everything if you tear down
04:00<aaronyy>3tera's applogic is also better
04:00<aaronyy>gogrid has nothing special beside free f5 load balancer
04:00<aaronyy>and free f5 balancer is ridiculous slow
04:01<Internat>just corious :)
04:01<aaronyy>you can try it, they offer $50 credit
04:01<Internat>have no need for it at the moment. have 3 linodes :P
04:03*encode can think of a devious way to do what raistlinthewiz wanted to do
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04:19<Joseph>has anyone installed webmin
04:20<supine>a long time ago. and it sucked
04:20<supine>tried ebox?
04:20<Joseph>it sucked?
04:20<Joseph>i have not tryed anything yet
04:21<Joseph>I have heard it was great from a few people
04:21<supine>it might be now
04:21<supine>this was many years ago
04:21<chesty>in the long run, you are better off learning the command line
04:22<Joseph>i guess
04:22<Joseph>but right now I am still kind of new
04:22<Joseph>and it would help me get things started quickly
04:23<Joseph>tcp 0 0 *:webmin *:* LISTEN 2597/perl
04:23<Joseph>i dont understand that
04:23<Joseph>it should have the port number where webmin is
04:23<supine> -n
04:24<Joseph>sudo netstat -tap is what i used
04:24<Joseph>it should be *:10000
04:24<supine>grep 10000 /etc/services
04:25<Joseph>shows it as webmin
04:25<SelfishMan>use the -n option to netstat to find the actual port number instead of the name
04:25<Joseph>but still not connection
04:25<SelfishMan>try using https to that port instead of http
04:26<Joseph>i did
04:26<Joseph>I specified https on setup
04:26<SelfishMan>then try using http instead of https
04:26<Joseph>but http and https do not connect
04:27<Joseph>im an idiot, it works after a reboot
04:29<Gurpartap>How long does it usually take for a new account approval?
04:29<SelfishMan>Gurpartap: About 4 more hours
04:30<Gurpartap>Ah ok
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04:30<Joseph>still sucks
04:31<Joseph>now all i need to do is get django to work and i am finished
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04:42<Joseph>I got django working but it moved the base directory to my apache server from /var/www to something else
04:42<Joseph>does anyone know how to change it back?
04:51<Joseph>Gosh I feel stupid about asking all these questions but i promise this hsould be my last and then everything is set up
04:52<Gurpartap>crawl through your httpd conf files..
04:53<Joseph>0 lines
04:55<Gurpartap>you sure? :p
04:55<Joseph> using that as the sjango example file
04:55<Joseph>after i put it in
04:55<Joseph>it broke
04:56<Joseph>0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Feb 23 01:58 httpd.conf
04:56<Gurpartap>did you save it properly
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04:57<Joseph>i never modified it
04:57<Joseph>it was always 0b
04:57<Gurpartap>What's path to it?
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05:00<Joseph>SetEnv DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE examples.settings
05:00<Joseph>that must be it
05:00<Joseph> is what i used for install
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05:06<Joseph>is there another place aside from httpd that shows where your http requests are being forworded?
05:06<Joseph>my httpd file is empty and im stuck in django examples
05:12<death_>define stuck
05:12<death_>whats going wrong
05:12<death_>you cant connect to the django webserver?
05:13<death_>or does it give some error?
05:13<death_>or what
05:15<Joseph>its stuck on the django example page
05:16<Joseph>httpd.conf has not been modified but it moved my web dir from /var/www to something different
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05:24<Athenon> <--- the last part errors. does anybody have any idea? :S
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06:11<linbot>New news from forums: HowTo: Apache2, SuExec, PHP5 and FastCGI for Virtual Domains in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
06:18<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: newark8 in System and Network Status <>
06:21<encode> /ignore Yaakov
06:21<Gurpartap>What are you doing here
06:23<Yaakov>But don't reveal my identity.
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06:36<Athenon>Anybody have any ideas at all? My server is seriously impaired due to this. I've updated the pastebin with more information:
06:41<Athenon><IntuitiveNipple> Athenon: You can run Har <----- proposed as a solution
06:41<Athenon><IntuitiveNipple> Athenon: You need to ask Chris or one of the techies (#linode on OFTC IRC network)
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06:44<Athenon>Anybody have any ideas at all? My server is seriously impaired due to this. I've updated the pastebin with more information:
06:46<MarkJ>not me unfortunately
06:46<MarkJ>doesn't sound good
06:46<IntuitiveNipple>Is the install from one of the pre-built distros?
06:46<IntuitiveNipple>What does kern.log have to save about it?
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06:47<Athenon>lemme look
06:47<Athenon>kern.log is empty
06:48<Athenon>kern.log.0 has stuff, but its from feb 13
06:48<Athenon>and yeah, i originally installed it as ubuntu 7.4 i believe...and since ive upgraded as far as 8.10
06:48<IntuitiveNipple>space issue? mounted read-only maybe? *thinks*
06:48<Athenon>i can still edit files
06:48<Athenon>and ive tried to remount in rw
06:48<Athenon>doesnt solve anything
06:48<Athenon>and i have plenty of free space
06:49<Athenon>20% of my hdd is free
06:49<IntuitiveNipple>Can you catch the boot log via lish ?
06:49<Athenon>which granted, should be more, but well
06:49<Athenon>isnt that what i did in the pastebin? :S
06:49<IntuitiveNipple>Doesn't look like it to me, unless you've got "quiet" on the kernel command-line. I would use "debug"
06:50<IntuitiveNipple>The pastebin has the output when user-space is in control
06:50<Athenon>how do i do that? :S
06:50<Athenon><---- knows like 0 about kernels
06:52<IntuitiveNipple>ahhh... of course. Sorry, not thinking straight here.
06:52<IntuitiveNipple>I'm still in #ubuntu support mode :D
06:52<Athenon>oh lol
06:53<Athenon>youre fine...i just dont know much about this sort of stuff. i can install and configure an IRC server blindfolded...but kernels are a bit over my head XD
06:53<IntuitiveNipple>you mean apt-get install ircd :p
06:53<Athenon>oh no...i mean manually ;P
06:53<Athenon>from source
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06:55<Athenon>i opened a support ticket, but i dont know if this is the sort of thing staff can help with or not :(
06:57<IntuitiveNipple>did you say you've tried to boot with other kernels?
06:58<Athenon>at least 3-4 others
06:58<Athenon>for sure, the latest stable and the latest available
06:59<IntuitiveNipple>Have you tried (in the Profile) changing run-level to single-user or bash shell?
06:59<Athenon>nope...should i?
06:59<IntuitiveNipple>It would help you to analyse the system via the Lish console
07:01<Athenon>ok, lets try
07:02<Athenon> same basic stuff
07:02<Athenon>thats single user mode
07:03<Athenon>lets try bash
07:03<IntuitiveNipple>At the prompt you should be able to check the system out, start daemons manually, and so forth.
07:04<Athenon>is bash
07:04<Athenon>yeah, but its still giving me all but 1 of the mysq
07:05<IntuitiveNipple>hmm "xvdb: unknown partition table "
07:06<IntuitiveNipple>oh i doesn't matter, that's expected
07:06<IntuitiveNipple>Is /dev/xvdb the swap?
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07:07<IntuitiveNipple>what does "mount" report?
07:08<Athenon>hang on, booting single user mode
07:10<Athenon>mount report
07:13<IntuitiveNipple>what does "uname -a && lsb_release -a" show
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07:14<IntuitiveNipple>I run the same kernel but with Hardy.
07:14<IntuitiveNipple>Check for the most recently touched log-file: ls -lstr /var/log/
07:19<Athenon>not trying to rush things, believe me, but its 6:20am and i havent slept yet XD
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07:23<Athenon>ok, i gotta go to bed. i always leave irc on, though, so any questions, news, updates, anything at all...dont hesitate to pm me
07:23<IntuitiveNipple>Looks like the faillog is recent; it may have some clues in it. Any of those most recently touched might so examine them
07:24<Athenon>nod, sounds good. ill do that first thing tomorrow. im gonna reboot my local computer and my server, so ill be back shortly :P
07:25<Athenon>thanks for all the help
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07:57<Internat>IntuitiveNipple: interesting, i didnt hink you visited the irc channel much?
07:58<IntuitiveNipple>I don't, why?
07:59<Internat>I was just doing some work on fcgi/php etc.. and reading through your post.. and then bam, you appear in here :)
08:03<IntuitiveNipple>telepathetic, obviously
08:04*checkers likes that freudian slip
08:04<Yaakov>irgeek: A Linoder is in distress!
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08:06<Internat>out of interest, ever done anything simular with python?
08:09*IntuitiveNipple spits
08:10<IntuitiveNipple>Python is one mess I keep away from
08:10<Internat>yeah thats what i was afraid of :/
08:10<Internat>im dreading dealing with tomcat shortly as well.
08:10<IntuitiveNipple>Tomcat is cuddly; or it was last time I worked with it
08:10<Internat>yeah it works well, im just trying to wokr out how im going to use it in a shared hosting context.
08:11<IntuitiveNipple>JBoss gets a bit OTT a times... sometimes I think JBoss was just an excuse for an XML configuration file convention
08:11<IntuitiveNipple>Behind apache?
08:11<Internat>its more do, i make a new tomcat instance for each user
08:11<IntuitiveNipple>I think that's what it's called
08:12<Internat>ajp is better from what i rmemeber reading.
08:12<Internat>ORileys tomcat book, is one of the only tech books i own. Im going to have fun re-reading that.
08:13<IntuitiveNipple>mod_jk implements AJP
08:14<Internat>ah fair enuff
08:14<Internat>regardless i believe my problem is more permissions and seregating users from the rest of the world and each other.
08:14<IntuitiveNipple>The protocols for mod_jk are: ajp13, ajp14, jni, lb or status
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08:15<IntuitiveNipple>I wrote an article about setting that up a long time ago. Not sure where it is now
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08:18<IntuitiveNipple>Can't find it now; must have archived it. It was how to configure JBoss clustering, Tomcat, and multiple virtual hosts
08:18<Internat>hmms.. Well im off to bed now.. If you find said article at some point in time, can you shoot me a pm on the forums to it? I dont trust my irc pm :)
08:19*Internat aways
08:20<Internat>and apparently im on call so lets see how much sleep i actually get.
08:21<IntuitiveNipple>found it/them :)
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08:37<metaperl_work><h1> should've been a container tag... it is a relic of old school html
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08:46<luca888>someone when linode office open?
08:46<luca888>someone KNOW when linode office open?
08:47<@tasaro>luca888: what's up?
08:47<luca888>already do it but we need
08:47<luca888>a really urgent migration
08:47<luca888>for a server...
08:48<@tasaro>ticket number?
08:48<luca888>tasaro: thank you in advance
08:48<@tasaro>one moment
08:49<@tasaro>luca888: ticket updated
08:49<luca888>tasaro I love you...
08:49<@tasaro>Shh... they'll make us get a room
08:49<luca888>only can you confirm that the ip address will not changed?
08:49<@tasaro>ip will not change
08:50<Yaakov>Hello, tasaro.
08:51<@tasaro>Hello Yaakov
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08:54<vincent>hi, does linode provide SSL certs?
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08:55<@tasaro>vincent: no
08:57<vincent>tasaro: thanks. is the cpu power of a 256m linode comparable to a celeron 575?
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08:58<mwalling>whats a 256m linode?
08:59<@tasaro>vincent: the smallest plan we offer is a Linode 360 (360MB), and the CPUs are the same across all plans
08:59<@tasaro>which i believe would smoke a celeron 575
08:59<mwalling>anyway, the hosts are 8 core xeons. guests see 4 of those cores, and contention is equally rated between all guests. so on a linode 360, minimum you'll see 1/40th of the host, or 1/20th of a quad core xeon
08:59<vincent>mwalling: sorry,i mean a linode 360.
09:00<mwalling>vincent: this is linode, not someone else... you get an extra 100mb of ram for -5 cents
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09:01<vincent>tasaro: what do you mean by smoke?
09:03<mwalling>a linode 360 will out perform a celeron 575
09:03<@tasaro>i don't know much about the celeron, but a quick google is saying single core laptop CPU
09:03<vincent>mwalling: thanks for your help.
09:04<vincent>tasaro: yes,exactly.
09:04<mwalling>vincent: put it this way... my circa early 2007 Sempron64 is smoked so much by my linode, its still faster to run distcc over ssh from upstate new york to newark then it is to build locally
09:05<@tasaro>s/smoked/outperformed ;)
09:07<vincent>mwalling: great! thank you.
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09:09<straterra>mwalling: 754?
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09:17<luca888>migration completed correctly! best support ever...
09:17<luca888>have a great day!
09:19<mwalling>straterra: prolly
09:19<mwalling>something cheap
09:20<freedumMan>whats your normal transfer rates you'd expect from users downloading a binary file from linode 360 plan
09:22<@tasaro>luca888: thanks, you also
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09:23<@tasaro>freedumMan: you can perform some tests to your location here:
09:24<freedumMan>Wow it max'd out my connection download
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09:25<@tasaro>same here
09:25<freedumMan>2200kbps thats sick is that really on a 360 plan
09:25<@tasaro>freedumMan: all the plans get the same connectivity
09:25<mwalling>the only difference between plans is memeory and contention
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09:27<straterra>754 has always sucked :P
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09:28<straterra>The only reason AMD even came out with it was a holdover until 939
09:28*Yaakov paints mikegrb Green 2.0
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10:04<Gurpartap>Is there any preference of which data center to choose? Or is just personal taste?
10:04<Gurpartap>SpaceHobo: those links are for me?
10:04<Napta>Grog_SA: Q#
10:05<Napta>er, whoops
10:05<Gurpartap>SpaceHobo: Thanks! The first link was certainly helpful. I _will_ run an IRC bot :)
10:05<@caker>Gurpartap: generally people pick the one closest to them. Closer can mean less latency which can mean faster speeeed
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10:06<Napta>or equally closest to their customers
10:06<Gurpartap>ok. but they are equally far for me :)
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10:07<Napta>An interesting thing is to look at each DC's stated availability, though
10:07<phennessy>Gurpartap: ^
10:07<Napta>e.g. The Plannet might give 99.99, but nac may give 99.9
10:07<Napta>Although it doesn't mean much if linode give 95.5 :D
10:09<Napta>Although The Planet state 100% SLA for colocation (power/network connectivity) aha
10:10<Yaakov>Safari 4 beta... hrm...
10:10<Yaakov>HELLO CAKER MAN
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10:12<x86i>You guys proably hear this alot, but I am very impressed with the way linode deploy the vps's. Kudos
10:13<phennessy>the linode manager is pretty awesome
10:13<x86i>And all the stats I get out of box, without needed to install that kind of stuff on my own... wow.
10:14<guinea-pig>phennessy: s/manager//
10:15<Gurpartap>phennessy: thanks, was helpful.
10:15<Gurpartap>I'll try NAT - Newark.
10:18<linbot>destroy all humans
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11:42<b4>I could avoid disconencting by setting a 30 day DHCP lease...but then i would lose internet when my IP changes.
11:42<b4>as i would have to release + renew it.
11:42*b4 needs a new router
11:43<phennessy>i think you'll have the same problem with a new router
11:45<agentbleubleu>I have just tried to install gnupg but it depended on libc6, which I installed, only to see it was a major install of debian. is libc6 an older version and have i made an error
11:46<b4>phennessy, it doesn't start until I flash it to dd-wrt.
11:46<b4>and I have the same issue when I re-flash to stock firmware.
11:46<phennessy>what is providing the lease?
11:47<phennessy>cable modem?
11:47<b4>it doesn't occur until I flash to dd-wrt.
11:47<b4>it's fine with the same lease time before
11:47<phennessy>so you're dsl has an external ip address and an internal one like
11:47<phennessy>and then you have a router connected to that?
11:48<Bdragon>I think he's confusing the wan settings and the local dhcp server settings...
11:48<phennessy>or does your router do PPPoE?
11:48<b4>phennessy, yes
11:48<b4>the modem one.
11:48<b4>modem has external and local IP.
11:48<phennessy>my dsl modem had on the lan port
11:49<b4>mine has for accessign webadmin.
11:49<phennessy>i then changed it to bridge mode and have my router do the PPPoE with my dsl account info
11:49*b4 does that.
11:49<b4>i still want a better router :D
11:50<phennessy>so my router wan port has the routable outside dsl address like
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11:50<phennessy>my lan ports have dhcp to
11:50<phennessy>but dhcp lease renewals on the lan ports should be transparent to the workstations
11:50<phennessy>the connection should not be dropping
11:51<phennessy>but i think you need to find out of the drop is occuring with the lan side of your router, or the dsl modem itself
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11:57<b4>i enabled bridge mode, but I dunno wtf to put for service name
11:57<b4>the modem thinks my dsl is down
11:57<phennessy>i dunno, i'm not home
11:58<phennessy>my modem also has this wack verizon firmware
11:58<phennessy>but it basically passes everything to the router
11:58<b4>mines a AT&T motorola firmware
11:59<phennessy>in the router, i put my verizon username and password in the pppoe config and it gets an ip from verizon
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12:02<b4>i have a connection
12:02<b4>no dhcp lease now :D
12:03<b4>when in bridge mode and using PPPoE from the router, what happens if my IP changes?
12:03<b4>do they disconnect me?
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12:04<phennessy>your pppoe is like dhcp
12:04<phennessy>the ip shouldn't change as long as the connection stays up
12:05<phennessy>if the connection goes down, it will renegotiate the ppp link and get a new ip
12:05<b4>my IP is dnamic, changing monthly
12:05<b4>or every 30 days or soemthing
12:05<mwalling>so they force down your link
12:05<phennessy>they could down your ppp link
12:05<phennessy>killall pppd
12:06<phennessy>well, probably not.. they probably have some fancy way to do it
12:06<phennessy>they never down my link
12:07*Bdragon mumbles something about LCP
12:07<phennessy>liquid crystal polymer?
12:07<phennessy>lantino comedy project?
12:07<Bdragon>No, link control protocol
12:07<mwalling>link con... yeah
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12:30<lrojas>hi all
12:30<lrojas>i have a few questions regarding the hosting solutions you guys provide...
12:31<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
12:31<lrojas>hehe ok sorry
12:31<lrojas>just making sure i was on the right place
12:32<lrojas>i am relatively new to web development, and i am tired of the limitations on shared host solutions
12:32<lrojas>i am looking for a VPS that can serve as a development/test/learning server
12:32<jkwood>Linode can certainly do that.
12:33<x86i>lrojas... As a new customer to Linode, I can attest to the ease of setup and learning.
12:33<lrojas>and i found you guys, but i am a bit confuse by some of the screenshots you got...
12:33<lrojas>if i understand correctly i can have my slice boot a diferent "configuration" from the dash board?
12:33<phennessy>with linode, you are basically given a container to run Linux in. you have the same level of control as a computer sitting under your desk.
12:34<Peng_>lrojas: Sure.
12:34<lrojas>or did i missunderstud the funcionality of the diferent boot images?
12:34<phennessy>most people here prefer "node" or "linode" not slice :)
12:34<lrojas>hehe sorry
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12:34<phennessy>slice is tm coca-cola
12:35<phennessy>you can have multiple disk volumes and configuration, but only one can be booted at a time
12:35<lrojas>so, if i take a linode, can i have it configured with 3 diferent enviroments? ( Rails, CakePHP, Django )
12:35<phennessy>like you can have your computer at home dual boot between xp and linux
12:35<jkwood>If you like, yes.
12:35<phennessy>if you want three instances to run at the same time, you'll need three linodes
12:35<jkwood>Or, you can set thosee up independently on one node.
12:36<lrojas>and the space that "instances" take... coun t against the total disk space i have or is it something else?
12:36<x86i>As an example, I've got a Debian 4 and Debian 5 "image" for testing the difference between the two with my applications.
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12:36<jkwood>Yeah, total disk space.
12:37<lrojas>so, to take the example previously given, lest say you have 20gb hard disk space, you tell it to have 10gb for debian 4, and 10 for debian5 ?
12:38<mwalling>lrojas: the similariaties between a linode and a spare computer on the floor next to your desk are greater then the diferences
12:38<lrojas>you have to upload the image or is it provided by linone?
12:38<phennessy>my linode performs much better
12:38<mwalling>images are like partitions, config profiles are like menu.lst entries
12:38<phennessy>than a machine on the floor :)
12:38<lrojas>err s/linone/linode
12:38<x86i>It is provided... I didnt have to upload anything
12:38<mwalling>lrojas: there are turn key deploy images, or you can roll your own
12:39<x86i>It even tells you how much your total disk usage is by your current configurations.
12:39<phennessy>you can upload your own if you want
12:39<mwalling>you can even run your own (pvops aware) kernels if you want
12:41<lrojas>and can someone here tell me how is the performance and the experience they have had with linode? do you have total control of the box? can you ssh into it? how much work you have to do ( meaning, when you use one of the turnkey solutions, how much you have to set up and how much is ready to go? )
12:41<JasonF>lrojas: ever used VMWare workstation
12:41<JasonF>you're getting a VM.
12:41<JasonF>you get full control over your VM.
12:42<JasonF>it just uses Xen instead of VMWare to host it.
12:42<phennessy>linode images only come with openssh-server installed, so you need to install and maintain everything
12:42<JasonF>you're basically handed a blank linux distro of your choice, and it's self-serve at that point
12:42<jkwood>Turnkey Slackware comes with sshd, and nothing else. But, you can install slackpkg and then install whatever else you want.
12:42<mwalling>12:33 < phennessy> with linode, you are basically given a container to run Linux in. you have the same level of control as a computer sitting under your desk.
12:42<lrojas>what if i need some hand holding, like if i need to setup the mail server, i dont know how to fumble with the dns either...
12:42<x86i>An example, I chose to get the base Debian imagine provided ( something like 200mb ) and nothing was installed except ssh so I could get into it. I have full root.
12:42<mwalling>jkwood: + pkgtools
12:42<phennessy>linode staff just make sure your vm boots and make sure the hosts and network stay up
12:43<Bdragon>Community support then
12:43<jkwood>mwalling: rsync + pkgtools works too.
12:43<JasonF>lrojas: then linode probably isn't the best choice for you, unless you want to use the internets to help
12:43<Bdragon>Search the froums, check the wiki, ask stuff in here (nicely)
12:43<phennessy>linode is a great way to learn
12:43<mwalling>lrojas: theres nothing special about linode that would invalidate anything else
12:43<jkwood>Linode is unmanaged. That said, we're not half bad at support.
12:43<mwalling>and with apache virtual hosts, you could run ruby, cakephp, and django all at the same time
12:43<x86i>Or you can just do what most windows admin's do... just pretend you know how and set it up anyway :P
12:43<jkwood>(We the community.)
12:44<lrojas>hehe ok, point taken :)
12:44<phennessy>if you can set up a dev environment in a vm at home, you can do it on linode
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12:44<phennessy>just make sure you firewall ssh so you don't get owned
12:45<phennessy>use rsa keys instead of passwords too
12:45<x86i>phennessy: are you referring to setting up an ACL?
12:46<phennessy>i limit tcp/22 connections to my linode to just my home and work
12:46<JasonF>I use something like denyhosts
12:46<phennessy>there are also fail2ban and ^
12:46<JasonF>that blocks off IPs after so many bad logins
12:47<x86i>Gotcha... that would be hard for some, since some home users ( like myself ) have dynamic ips
12:47<x86i>denyhosts sounds pretty good
12:47<x86i>It would at least stop brute force
12:47<phennessy>so does my home.. but the range i'm in doesn't include all of asia and africa
12:48<x86i>haha a point
12:48<lrojas>for a dev server that is not doing much on the net, i should not expect to get hit that hard, or am i being naive?
12:48<phennessy>i've played with OSSEC too.. that goes a little beyond denyhosts and fail2ban
12:49<phennessy>lrojas: bad people constantly scan the internet looking for weak password or vulnerabilities
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12:50<x86i>lrojas: If you are doing mostly internal type testing, a firewall will be your best friend.
12:51<mwalling>if you use ubuntu, ufw is a good front end to iptables for simple firewall rules
12:51<x86i>You can even put ssh on an obscure port,... granted this isn't the BEST way, but it will stop script kiddies from scanning. instead of 22 you could put it on 8080 or 9000
12:53<mwalling>anything more complicated then what ufw can do, i'd say learn iptables syntax... its really simple once you understand the lingo (and have an understanding of how networks work and how the kernel sees them)
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12:54<x86i>Also, the fact Linode offers RDNS without having to pay for it <3
12:54<IntuitiveNipple>lrojas: I don't leave ssh open to a public port - I use openvpn for all administration activities.
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12:54<mwalling>^^ that works too
12:54<mwalling>and you always have !lish
12:54<linbot>mwalling: "lish" could be allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled.
12:55<IntuitiveNipple>You can configure openvpn with anti DoS functionality too, which might be handy
12:56<x86i>IntuitiveNipple: What port does the VPN usually sit on?
12:56<IntuitiveNipple>UDP 1194 I *think*
12:56<mwalling>1140 something
12:56<mwalling>or 1194
12:58<IntuitiveNipple>I keep meaning to write up an article on how I set it up, because I had to scrabble around to find all the bits and make them understandable
12:58<x86i>IntuitiveNipple: Thats part of the reason I haven't messed with it yet. I just throw SSH on a weird port. Only allow 1 user to login, and then just SU once I am in
12:59<x86i>and your name cracks me up
12:59<IntuitiveNipple>It is actually really easy to do - it is just that most docs are either incomplete or confusing or both
12:59<IntuitiveNipple>You don't know the the saying then? The only intuitive interface is the nipple; everything else is learned
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13:00<IntuitiveNipple>emphasis on the 'learned'
13:00<x86i>Yes, I know the saying... but still haha
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13:02<wasNuno>Hi, I'm tring to connect to my vps using the console or lish but I only get a blank screen!
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13:04<x86i>wasNuno: Turn the contrast up on your monitor? Sorry lol Maybe open a support ticket?
13:06<bd_>wasNuno: if you type something, does it show up?
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13:11<x86i>Wow... my node has only been up 24 ours and I already have 200 attempts to login to SSH.
13:12<innociv>wow o_O
13:12<innociv>it emails you on failed attempts, right?
13:12<Yaakov>Maybe you should write down your password...
13:12<jkwood>x86i: Welcome to being on the internet.
13:13<jkwood>Yaakov: <3
13:13<b4>no disconencta
13:13<Yaakov>jkwood: <3
13:13<x86i>lol No, doesn't email me... I didn't have time to secure it , so I am changing the port now. I'm getting syslog setup so I can keep tabs on it
13:13*linbot slaps jkwood
13:14<agentbleubleu>I got an error with proftpd after a debian upgrade, about using DisplayChdir as DisplayFirstChdir directive is deprecated, I changed the config to DisplayChdir and ftp says it starts but it does not, any ideas?
13:14<jkwood>x86i: Changing the port is not a security measure.
13:14<x86i>thats just crazy though... someone from umuch.ecu really wanted it
13:14<jkwood>Disabling root login is.
13:14<jkwood>Using a strong password is.
13:14<jkwood>Disabling password login and using key-based authentication is even btter.
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13:14<x86i>jkwood: true, but it stops the blanket scans. I always disable root.
13:16<x86i>Key-based would be preferred....
13:16<x86i>I think I might just do that
13:16<Yaakov>jkwood: It is a security measure to the extent that it stops the brute force attmepts from those scripts that only hit port 22. That's MOST of them. It is also a log pollution reducer.
13:17<x86i>I'll have to find my USB key so I have my ssh key with me
13:17<Yaakov>jkwood: It isn't the sum total of securing the machine, but it isn't BAD and it does some good.
13:18<Yaakov>jkwood: Also, urmom.
13:18<x86i>Ok, now I know thats a script
13:18<jkwood>Every five seconds, right?
13:18<@mikegrb>mmm cake
13:18<Yaakov>mikegrb is just fond of cake, he isn't a script.
13:19<agentbleubleu>what logs show any system errors with proftpd
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13:19<b4>!urmom | jkwood
13:19<linbot>b4: Yo momma's so fat they mistook her for the tenth planet!
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13:21<x86i>I just realized that I've never done ssh keys for promptless logins before. wow. I am a newb I guess.
13:21<Peng_>Or you just like typing your password.
13:21<Peng_>Nothing wrong with that. Typing is fun!
13:23<x86i>Well, I've always used ACLs to control access
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13:26<b4>is a good router?
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13:41<taewoo>Hi everyone. is there a simple GUI version of adminstering postfix?
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13:45<Karrde>not that I know of
13:45<b4>webmin can configure postfix.
13:48<taewoo>thanks b4
13:48<b4>your welcome.
13:49<mwalling>taewoo: what do you need a gui for?
13:50<Pryon>Alternatively you could configure sendmail for a while and then go back to postfix.
13:50<mwalling>its a couple of files, and the documentation is practicly in the sample config
13:50<b4>mwalling, some peopel like em can't comprehend documentation
13:51<mwalling>the packaged transport and alias files are just the man page, with s/^/#/ added to the begining
13:55<taewoo>i understand documentation.. but not the way these techies write them
13:55<mwalling>have you even read postfix's docs?
13:55<mwalling>my wife can understand westie's writings.
13:55<taewoo>i read
13:56<mwalling>i said postfix's docs. not ubuntu's docs for postfix.
13:57<taewoo>developers like me aren't interested in doing thi server admin stuff.. that's probably a big reason
13:57<Ghent>I always wondered how one could be a good developer without having any understanding how things work
13:57<mwalling>thats a line of bullshit
13:58<Pryon>it's cranky in here today
13:58*scott pets mwalling
13:58<taewoo>u don't believe me? take a poll and see how many people agree with me
13:59<mwalling>taewoo: my day job: developing software for
13:59<mwalling>i maintain a 30 node xeon cluster here as well
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14:00<mwalling>i also administer all of our support systems, bug tracking, source control, documentation, build bots, test suite running things, dashboards, customer support portals
14:00<phennessy>Yea, well I have a Mac! So there!
14:00<taewoo>what kinda software do u develop?
14:00<jkwood>I'm a developer, and I'm interested in server admin stuff.
14:00<Peng_>taewoo: If you don't want to do "server admin stuff", maybe getting an unmanaged server is a bad idea?
14:00<mwalling>taewoo: power systems simulation
14:00<jkwood>phennessy: Your mom is a mac.
14:01<taewoo>Peng_: yeap.. im starting to think that
14:02<phennessy>i would think linode would appeal to developers as they could test their product on different platforms easily
14:02<phennessy>well different Linux distros..
14:03<Pryon>I find that when I'm doing a lot of software development I am attracted to sysadmin stuff and vice versa. But the grass never is greener on the other side of the fence.
14:03<Peng_>phennessy: Even more appealling is getting someone else to do that for you! :P
14:04<Pryon>On the other hand, if I never hear "The internet is broken" it will be too soon.
14:04<Ghent>Pryon: don't worry, I have it backed up on 3.5" floppy
14:05<Pryon>Yeah, that makes me sleep better alright
14:05<b4>i bet that thing could be forkbombed in a millisecond it's so fast
14:05<Ghent>b4: I love it when you talk dirty.
14:05<taewoo>mwalling: I followed this last nite - - i got my email account working but
14:05<taewoo>when i do another useradd
14:06<b4>adduser -_-
14:06<taewoo>that user's "Mailbox" directory doesn't show up on that user's home directory
14:06<b4>put it in /etc/skel -_-
14:07<Ghent>taewoo: generally it will get created when it's needed by the mail system
14:07<Ghent>for instance, when they receive their first piece of mail
14:11<Solver>oh what a good laugh :)
14:11<Solver>not in a billion years :)
14:13<@mikegrb>I thought there was already kernel support for sysrq via network
14:14<Solver>last ver of that one dates from 2006 but I hadn't heard about any network access - there is a /proc access of course
14:14<Solver>if a box was badly locked I'd prefer it cycle its power externally and not rely on the kernel at all
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14:15<Solver>if it had to be done remotely I mean
14:15<mwalling>being able to sync isnt a bad thing
14:15<Solver>yeah that's true
14:15<Solver>I'd be ok with forcing a sync but forcing a reboot - eek :)
14:16<Solver>maybe sysrq needs to enable selective configuration
14:16<Solver>so sync is possible but reboot isn't
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14:17<Solver>speaking of which, sysrq "b" - will that cause a warm boot or is it equivalent of a reset
14:17<Solver>I want to force a reset on a (non linode) remote box and I don't want to have to bother the DC staff on a holiday
14:17<Solver>it's a holiday where they are
14:17<taewoo>Ghent: I just sent an email to that account and the email got bounced
14:18<mwalling>taewoo: logs.
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14:18<mwalling>Solver: see? you need an RPC :)
14:18<Solver>mwalling: :) I can ssh to the box :)
14:18<Ghent>taewoo: what does the log say as to why it bounced?
14:18<Solver>see I want to turn on iLO on a HP server
14:18<Solver>but a reboot isn't sufficient
14:18<taewoo>Ghent: this is the email I got
14:18<Solver>it has to be a reset or a power cycle
14:18<mwalling>taewoo: i said logs.
14:19<b4>ILO ftw.
14:19<Solver>ah. I thought HP were using iLO
14:19<Ghent>taewoo: "host not found"
14:19<taewoo>mwalling: I'm a noob. so please be patient with me..
14:19<taewoo>mwalling: which log?
14:19<Solver>well I could sysrq "b" the box and see what happens :)
14:19<mwalling>your mail log?
14:19<Solver>at least it isn't in prod
14:19<taewoo>where is it?
14:20<Solver>DC staff are likely all partying right about now ;)
14:21<Pryon>What, you don't want drunks playing with your hardware?
14:21<Solver>Pryon: yeah it came down to a coin toss in the end :)
14:21<taewoo>hopefully it's the right one
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14:22<b4>that system is ugly
14:23<Solver>wow it looks like XT or early AT systems I saw :)
14:23<CityOracle>hi, everyone
14:23<CityOracle>I am new here
14:24<CityOracle>is this the place I can post a question about Linode?
14:24<CityOracle>cool, I need some expert's advice
14:24<CityOracle>two questions
14:24<CityOracle>1. How do I get notified when my server is down.
14:24<taewoo>would installing CPanel be a wise idea for a noob like me?
14:25<mwalling>taewoo: no.
14:25<CityOracle>I want to be notified by email, phone, or page/cell
14:25<Twayne>I'm seriously disappointed there isn't more talk about gay midget porn today...
14:25<mwalling>taewoo: first. stop calling your self a noob.
14:25<mwalling>CityOracle: linode doesnt do that. you'll need an external provider to do that
14:25<CityOracle>thx, mwalling
14:25<b4>lassie automatically reboots ytour node fi it crashes.
14:25<CityOracle>could you recommend one or point me to the right resource?
14:26<mwalling>CityOracle: what linode does do is if your linode halts for some reason (unplanned shutdown, kernel panic, etc), lassie will reboot it
14:26<b4>you could always host nagios somewhere else
14:26<Pryon>"Grandpa fell down a well. Rebooting"
14:26<mwalling>CityOracle: what b4 said... you could get a seperate node in a different datacenter and monitor from there, or i've heard of pingdom, but never used them
14:27<b4>it costs money.
14:27<mwalling>b4: so does a second linode
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14:27<b4>website monitoring apparently
14:27<mwalling>you get what you pay for though
14:28<CityOracle>I hit back key, got dropped out
14:28<mwalling>CityOracle: we didnt say anything worth while :)
14:28<CityOracle>I actually want to set up a separate node in a different data center
14:29<CityOracle>Posted a ticket to Linode
14:29<b4>CityOracle, take a look at
14:29<CityOracle>they didn't have a solution
14:29<CityOracle>and sent me here
14:29<b4>but that won't help caker feed himself.
14:29<mwalling>easy as pie. log into the control panel, click "add a linode", vollia
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14:29<CityOracle>I know how to purchase a linode
14:30<CityOracle>the goal is to be able to monitor/get notified about a server failure
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14:30<linbot>It's as pie! not even b4 could break it!
14:30<CityOracle>and then to recover a cold copy at another data center
14:31<b4>i think I just failed
14:31<phennessy>they'll failover names to other ip addresses
14:31<phennessy>you will need to set up some sort of replication for your files and databases
14:31<CityOracle>thx, Phennessy
14:32<b4>i wonder what my lindoes uptime is
14:32<phennessy>i've not used that service, but other people have mentioned it here
14:32<b4>My server uptime: 14:32:12 up 8 days, 21:39, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.00
14:32<taewoo>mwalling: was there more you were going to say?
14:32<CityOracle>I plan to replicate the files and do data back weekly
14:32<b4>i can't count...
14:32<mwalling>taewoo: maybe... lost my train of thought
14:32<mwalling>CityOracle: if you're doing same datacenter, linode has failover ingreadents that you could cook up into a delicious solution
14:33<mwalling>also, same dc, you have the back end network, thats unmetered, so you could keep replications more up to date for cheaper
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14:33<CityOracle>Mwalling: love to hear your insights
14:33<phennessy>yea, you could get two linodes on different hosts in the same DC. then do linux-ha or some apache load balancer to backends
14:33<phennessy>you have to have some way to ifconfig the ip address on the other host though
14:33<mwalling>CityOracle: donno, i dont do much HA like this... my stuff all has a SPoF at the head node
14:34<phennessy>linux-ha does that sort of thing
14:34<tjfontaine>scott does that sort of thing
14:34<tjfontaine>I took your name in vain
14:34<scott>thats ok
14:34<phennessy>linux-ha can be configured to start/stop/restart services and move ip addresses around within a cluster
14:35<phennessy>it uses multicast for heartbeats, which you could run over the private network (so it doesn't count against your bandwidth)
14:36<bd_>er, I don't think the private network allows multicast
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14:36<phennessy>that sucks
14:36<CityOracle>that is within the same data center through Linode's backend network, right/
14:36<scott>go Lenny
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14:37<phennessy>linux has a 192.168 private network, but they are seperate for each DC
14:37<CityOracle>hi, Scott, what is Lenny
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14:38<CityOracle>does Linux-HA have the capability to monitor and notify by email/phone about server failure?
14:38<CityOracle>so if I want the capability, how do I get it?
14:39<mwalling>add something else
14:39<mwalling>like nagios, or subscribe to pingdom, etc
14:39<phennessy>install nagios and monitor yourself or subscribe to a paid service
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14:40<x86i>nagios is superb
14:40<CityOracle>is pingdom a paid service? any other such services?
14:40<scott>google it?
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14:40<CityOracle>trying to get some keyword first
14:40<jackc>hm i should start a free pingdom
14:41<x86i>pingdom would fall under the realm of a monitoring service
14:42<CityOracle>So, it does not notify owners?
14:42<CityOracle>owners of the server?
14:42<mwalling>why dont you ask them?
14:43<x86i>from, on the front page : "We can monitor your website and servers and let you know right away when anything goes wrong. Get the facts and stay on top of things with Pingdom."
14:43<CityOracle>ok, thanks
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14:43<CityOracle>x86i, THANKS!
14:44<CityOracle>second question on recovery from another data center
14:44<CityOracle>I am thinking, if server goes down on one server, I might as well start another in a different geo/data center to be truly safe
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14:44<mwalling>how mission critical is this?
14:44<x86i>thats what HA is for
14:44<CityOracle>enterprise level
14:44<mwalling>something that takes out a data center is probably going to be something like california falling into the pacific ocean
14:44<CityOracle>ideally, within an hour or two
14:44<x86i>HA = High availability
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14:45<CityOracle>b4, Thanks
14:45<CityOracle>I will check into it
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14:46<CityOracle>one more on security, does Linode provide any security measurement to safeguard my database (MySQL) and the data in it?
14:46<bd_>CityOracle: what do you mean by that?
14:46<@caker>armed guards
14:47<@caker>inside the tubes
14:47<CityOracle>can someone break in to get the data in my db
14:47<mwalling>sure, if you're stupid about it
14:47<jkwood>It's actually mikegrb with a stale breadstick.
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14:47<Bdragon>That depends on whether or not you configure your linode securely
14:47<Ghent>CityOracle: linode is unmanaged... thus it's up to you to protect your own data
14:47<phennessy>you need to protect your linode as if it's a colocated server in a DC
14:47<mwalling>Bdragon: which falls under being stupid :)
14:47<b4>caker, I always knew there wer elittle peopel in my entartubez!
14:47<CityOracle>I guess I am right now
14:48<jkwood>Ah crap.
14:48<b4>my password is:
14:48<malex>Does anyone have a good document on low memory clamd setup? Clamav was taking 119M resident and 250M virtual on my linode, so I had to disable it, but I would like to have av scanning going. Any pointers?
14:48<jkwood>GOT ME AGAIN!
14:48<Bdragon>all whitespace?
14:48<b4> �w�\��}��d[.�%(��g
14:48<b4>thats my password
14:48<phennessy>malex: are you in texas?
14:48<jkwood>b4: I wouldn't call mikegrb "little people"
14:48<malex>phennessy: dallas centre, yes.
14:48<Bdragon>that's a lot of ½s
14:48<phennessy>i think tjfontaine runs a clamd that people can connect to over the private network
14:48<b4>jkwood, mikegrb lives in my entartubez!?
14:49<tjfontaine>I do indeed
14:49<phennessy>if you trust him to keep freshclam running
14:49<tjfontaine>dallas network
14:49*tjfontaine smacks phennessy
14:49<malex>tjfontaine: Would it be possible to use your clamd?
14:49<tjfontaine>malex: indeed it is
14:49<@mikegrb>mmm cake
14:49<jkwood>b4: Why do you think he loves cake so much?
14:49<b4>jkwood, true
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14:50<b4>FloodServ, !
14:50<tjfontaine>4719 clamav 20 0 149m 138m 996 S 0 39.6 0:48.30 clamd
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14:50<neale>tjfontaine: you freak
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14:51<malex>tjfontaine: Thanks, I'll try to hook up to it!
14:51<x86i>Ok... stupid question... are linode accounts banned from this chat room?
14:51<tjfontaine>freshclam daemon 0.94.2 (OS: linux-gnu, ARCH: i386, CPU: i486)
14:51<tjfontaine>ClamAV update process started at Tue Feb 24 14:49:24 2009
14:51<tjfontaine>main.cld is up to date (version: 50, sigs: 500667, f-level: 38, builder: sven)
14:51<tjfontaine>daily.cld is up to date (version: 9041, sigs: 13686, f-level: 38, builder: neo)
14:51<tjfontaine>neale: I know
14:51<mwalling>x86i: huh?
14:51<neale>x86i: what{
14:51<tjfontaine>x86i: root is
14:51<tjfontaine>username of root
14:51<mwalling>and one other induhvidual
14:51<Twayne>What's this about "little people"
14:52<x86i>hrm, Im not logged in as root, but it says I am banned
14:52<mwalling>but said individual is also k-lined from the network
14:52<tjfontaine>x86i: what's the nick?
14:52<tjfontaine>or ip
14:52<tjfontaine>I'll tell you
14:52<b4>i can't ping my aunts house.
14:52<x86i>one sec, I think I figured it out
14:52<x86i>I am stupid
14:52<b4>did I install x...
14:53<neale>tjfontaine: what's the command to get a list of bans in a channel? The IRC protocol one, not the IRC client /command thing.
14:53<x86i>I copied the config from my root account, so it had "root" in the username field
14:53<b4>ima xforward
14:53<b4>links2 with a gui
14:53<tjfontaine>neale: /mode +b #channel or /bans
14:53*neale sighs
14:53<b4>and connect to the router.
14:53<neale>okay, MODE :)
14:53<tjfontaine>I had them backwards but you know
14:53<tjfontaine>/mode #channel +b
14:54<b4>how many depndencies does xorg have...
14:54<jkwood>8 bans in place.
14:54<jkwood>7 of them are one person.
14:54<tjfontaine>+q will list quiets
14:54-!-x86i [] has left #linode []
14:54<neale>and all 7 are from that jerk mikegrb
14:54-!-x86i [] has joined #linode
14:54<tjfontaine>neale: and one weasel
14:54<jkwood>Actually, no, one is weasel.
14:54<@mikegrb>can get rid of the 7
14:54<@mikegrb>since he's akilled
14:55<x86i>I am stupid sometimes, I swear
14:55<tjfontaine>x86i: it happens
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!~root@*] by mikegrb
14:55<b4>x86i, i bet I can eb stupider.
14:55-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*root@*] by mikegrb
14:55<tjfontaine>b4: amen
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*verheesj@*] by mikegrb
14:55<neale>x86i: apparently you're not the only one
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*@*] by mikegrb
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!] by mikegrb
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*verheesj@149.254.200.*] by mikegrb
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*O@149.254.200.*] by mikegrb
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*haiaiaiai@*] by mikegrb
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*haiaiaiai@*] by mikegrb
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*haiaiaiai@*] by mikegrb
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*haiaiaiai@*] by mikegrb
14:55<x86i> that sounds familiar
14:55<b4>the last 4 are the same...
14:55-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*5215a6b0@*] by mikegrb
14:55<tjfontaine>mikegrb: /msg chanserv clear #linode bans and then add an akick on root username
14:56<@mikegrb>I'm lazzy
14:56<jkwood> /ban *!*mikegrb@*
14:56-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*jkwood@*] by mikegrb
14:56<jackc> mikegrb []
14:56<@mikegrb>oops... typoed
14:56<jackc>that will do nothing
14:57-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*jkwood@*] by mikegrb
14:57<jkwood>mikegrb: <3
14:57<b4> /ban *!*@*
14:57<Peng_>Oh no.
14:57<jkwood> /akill *!*@*
14:57<b4>jkwood, didn't an oper accidently do that once?
14:57<Bdragon>jkwood: That gets annoying after a while
14:57<Peng_>b4: Yes.
14:58<b4>i've tried on inspircd.
14:58<Peng_>b4: I think it's happened twice, actually.
14:58<neale>Bdragon: it started out annoying
14:58<Bdragon>Err, multiple times, and also hangs out here :P
14:58<Peng_>b4: ...and?
14:58<b4>and it didn't work
14:59<Peng_>b4: It's not supposed to work here, either. Either there was a bug or services was outdated. Anyway, it can't happen now.
14:59<b4>* [b4] (b47619@worlds.craziest.oper): b4
15:00<b4>-OperServ- Invalid user@host: *@*. This mask is unsafe.
15:00<x86i>bringing back memories on friends ircd's... where we would have kline wars
15:00<taewoo>Is there a CPANEL alternative that anyone can recommend? the less I have to know about linux admin, the better
15:00<b4>maybe ispconfig
15:00<b4>virtualmin (eww)
15:00<x86i>webmin for the win
15:00<b4>webmin isn't really a cpanel alternative
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15:01<taewoo>webmin sucks
15:01<Peng_>Heh, okay.
15:01<x86i>whoa whoa
15:01<x86i>calm down
15:01*b4 compiles atheme contrib modules
15:01<taewoo>might as well learn linux rather than learn webmin
15:01<mwalling>taewoo: people are giving you advice... i thought you wanted to know as little as posible
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15:02<b4>daMaestro|isBack, lies! your nto back.
15:02<taewoo>i want to know.. but i also have dead lines. ;)
15:03<b4>I like inspircd 1.2.
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15:03<x86i>I must just be a mean person then
15:03<IntuitiveNipple>Webmin+VirtualMin will do everything you need and provide sanity-checking.
15:04<x86i>And Nipple comes in for a save
15:04<b4>virtualmib SUCKS
15:04<x86i>Never heard of Virtualmib... is will smith in that?
15:04<IntuitiveNipple>I use them in preference to administering servers manually... nice blend of power with easy management
15:05<b4>I sue the CLI.
15:05<b4>i wish weechat/irssi would run on my rouetr...
15:05<x86i>why ON the router?
15:05<b4>because I can.
15:06<x86i>So if your toaster would run it, you'd install there?
15:06<phennessy>it doesn't need to be logical for b4 to do something.. he just does everything
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15:06<Bdragon>I was *so* thinking toaster.
15:06<b4>x86i, yes
15:06<Peng_>b4: You know what's even more fun than irssi? ntpd!
15:06<mwalling>phennessy: in his defense... he might actually learn something this way
15:06<x86i>the toaster is the definitive appliance to get things to work on
15:06<b4>Peng, it already has ntpd afaik
15:06<phennessy>i learn by doing as well, but i try to limit myself
15:07<Bdragon>Hmm, I wonder if I could hook up a PPS signal to my toaster....
15:07<Ghent>b4, just find out what libraries are on the router, what chost and such it needs and cross-compile irssi somewhere else and copy the (static or shared) binary over to your router
15:07<x86i>I'd like to get an email when my toast is ready.. or an sms
15:07<b4>it's a mips processor
15:07<mwalling>x86i: or a tweet?
15:07<x86i>good deal, a tweet could work
15:08<mwalling>search for "twitter washing machine"
15:08<x86i>Twitter Log: Today I made toast
15:08<Bdragon>Anyone remember icepick?
15:08<b4>i need a bigger jffs
15:08<mwalling>thats what she said
15:08<b4>i don't have enough space
15:08<b4>~500k isn't near enough
15:08<mwalling>thats also what she said
15:09<b4>and weechat is installing
15:09<taewoo>Any thoughts on web://cp,, FlexCP, Cube Panel Lite, vs. VHCS?
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15:09<b4>root@lolrouter:/tmp# weechat-curses
15:09<b4>WeeChat Warning: config file "/tmp/root/.weechat/weechat.rc" not found.
15:09<b4>WeeChat: creating default config file...
15:09<b4>Error opening terminal: xterm.
15:09<Bdragon>icepick is back?
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15:10<x86i>I swear to god, I am going to make a toaster that tweets... I bet it would get like over 100k followers.
15:10<Bdragon>"The highest temperature ever in the toilet was at 26-Jul-2006 - 16:53:01 with 31.0 C/ 87.8F."
15:10<b4>why won't weehat-curses run...
15:11<Bdragon>Lack of terminfo files?
15:11<Peng_>That's true. My Twitter is very dull, and I have like 15 followers. The trick must be to make it even duller!
15:11<Peng_>What about a refrigerator that tweets the temperature?
15:11<phennessy>steal mikegrb's weather station and put it in your fridge
15:11*phennessy ducks
15:12<b4>Bdragon, mmm
15:12<b4>where can I get some terminfo files?
15:12<Ghent>you want a real invention... how about a tweet for when your significant other is ready for sex
15:12<Ghent>then you
15:12<Ghent>'d get a huge following
15:13<CityOracle>hi guys,
15:13<Bdragon>Looks like you can't turn the lights on and off anymore, heh
15:13<x86i>Impossible. You need exactly 23 mad scientists and an ounce of uranium when the moon is full to predict that
15:13<CityOracle>I am buiding a site for a business owner.
15:13*Bdragon fondly remembers messing around with the lights
15:13<Ghent>well, that's why you'd get a huge following if you figured it out
15:13<CityOracle>they want HA and good serutity (to protect their data)
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15:14<CityOracle>what are some of the opensour tools I can add on Linode to include in my proposal
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15:15<CityOracle>I am trying to take over their web function
15:15<Ghent>I recommend a spell checker!
15:15<mwalling>not being a moran
15:15<mwalling>caker: <3
15:15<@mikegrb>mmm cake
15:15<Peng_>Augh now I want cake
15:15<@mikegrb>phennessy: I'm so doing that
15:15<@mikegrb>phennessy: kthx
15:16<b4>i can run a nfs server on my router
15:16-!-Napta [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:16<Peng_>But can you run WINE and Internet Explorer?
15:16<x86i>why the hell would you want to do that?
15:16<@mikegrb>Tom Asaro has declined your iCal event invitation to the event: Lincoln bday bash, scheduled for February 12, 2011 at 9:00 PM
15:16<x86i>isnt there a law or something about running IE on a router?
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15:18<phennessy>i think your ical is lagged
15:18<b4>root@lolrouter:/tmp# TERMINFO=/jffs/usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm
15:18<b4>root@lolrouter:/tmp# weechat-curses
15:18<b4>Error opening terminal: xterm.
15:19<b4>wtf did I do wrong?
15:20<Pryon>CityOracle: It would be easier to answer your questions if you gave us more information about what it is you plan on doing with your linode. As far as open source tools, I expect most if not all the software you'd be running will be open source. However, that really depends on what you plan on doing.
15:21<b4>i can run asterisk no my router
15:21*linbot points at b4 and laffs
15:23<taewoo>if I get a C compile error like this is it b/c i need to apt-get install some missing C stuff?
15:24<b4>i never installed a C compiler on my router.
15:24<taewoo>i did do a apt-get install gcc
15:24<Pryon>Did you install build-essential?
15:24<taewoo>will try
15:24<kenichi>wow, your includes are screwed
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15:24<phennessy>build-essential gets all the good stuff
15:25*kenichi doesn't know apt, but knows /usr/include/sys/types.h should be there
15:25<b4>weechat crashes
15:26<taewoo>Pryon: Thanks.. that worked
15:30<taewoo>Anybody good with perl? What doe sthis error mean?
15:30<@caker>it's pretty obvious no?
15:31<taewoo>yes, but how do i remedy this situation?
15:31<bd_>install those modules?
15:31<bd_>what distro are you on?
15:31<taewoo>8.10 LTS
15:32<tonyyarusso>Is anyone familiar with setting breakpoints in gdb? I can't seem to make it find the functions I'm talking about.
15:32<Peng_>8.10 is not an LTS release.
15:32<phennessy>apt-cache search libmime |grep perl
15:32<bd_>taewoo: apt-cache search mime-entity perl
15:32<phennessy>or something like that for each of the others
15:32<bd_>they're usually eg libmime-entity-perl
15:33<bd_>and install those packages
15:33<bd_>if you can't find one, then turn to cpan
15:33<phennessy>use dh-make-perl --cpan Some::Module --build
15:33<phennessy>that's the best
15:33<bd_>yeah, but if there's a distro package it's easier to just use that
15:33<bd_>keeps you up to date that way
15:33<phennessy>just don't download the module from cpan and do it manually
15:34<phennessy>does apt-cache search combine terms with and?
15:34<phennessy>i never knew that, how nice
15:35<b4>i give up wit ircign from my router.
15:35<b4>i'll install soemthing sueful
15:35<b4>like screen
15:35<bd_>or a spell checker
15:35<phennessy>i bet that'll want termcap too
15:36<bd_>yeah but it doesn't need glib at least
15:36<bd_>which is something of an improvement, I guess
15:36<bd_>although glib doesn't seem like it'd be /too/ hard to cross-build
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15:36<bd_>well, as cross compilation goes anyway
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15:39<b4>i can access my aunts modem
15:39<b4>from behind the rouetr
15:39<b4>i was going to config something on it,
15:39<b4>but i dunno the user + pass
15:41<exor674>b4: admin, blank? admin, password? admin, admin?
15:41<kenichi>speaking of screen, cool trick i saw on the list today: a bash function ssh() { screen -t "${1##*@}" ssh "$@"; }
15:42<b4>exor674, it's not default afaik
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15:42<b4>i'll just call ehr and ask
15:43<b4>wtf is blockign pings
15:43<b4>the modem is in bridge mode
15:43-!-Bass10 [] has joined #linode
15:43<kenichi>maybe try alias pign='ping'
15:44*kenichi ducks
15:45<b4>i did a tracerouet from ymself to myself
15:45<taewoo>*sigh*... this is beyond me.. can you guys recommend any good VPS that has control panel?
15:45<b4>taewoo, we would
15:46<Peng_>taewoo: Maybe you should get a managed VPS.
15:46<b4>if that didn;t involve takign money away from caker.
15:46<b4>who bilsl us
15:46<b4>and can raise our prices for lost customers
15:47<Peng_>b4: It's not so black-and-white.
15:47<taewoo>that should have a DISTRO that has following BUILT in arealdy - AMP, mail server, SSH, and Cpanel/VHCS
15:47-!-serengetisunset [] has joined #linode
15:47<Peng_>taewoo: Why? Not everybody wants that, and it's easy to install yourself.
15:47<scott>taewoo: maybe someone would be willing to setup your linode for a fee?
15:48<taewoo>scott: nope.. i called and they said no
15:48<taewoo>Peng_: Like Amazon ec2 images... they have pre-built stuff so u don't have to repeat what's been done
15:49<scott>did you offer money to anyone here?
15:49<Peng_>taewoo: He didn't meant somebody else, not the Linode staff.
15:49<scott>or just linode staff?
15:49<Peng_>Err, s/didn't //
15:49<Peng_>serengetisunset: Hi
15:49<kenichi>ooo i take money
15:49<scott>kenichi: meet taewoo
15:49*kenichi uses gentoo, sorry
15:49<phennessy>there are people on the forums that will do it too
15:50<b4>If I had a paypal accoutn I would set it up for you.
15:50<serengetisunset>caker:are you online?
15:50<Peng_>serengetisunset: Why?
15:50<phennessy>b4, you need to be 18 for paypal?
15:50<IntuitiveNipple>It's not the setting-up that's the killer - it's the hand-holding pleas later when it's been foo-barred that kills it
15:50<b4>phennessy, parents get it, duh
15:51<serengetisunset>Peng_: I just got a support email from caker re: installing rubygems update via tarball but I'm not sure exactly how to do it
15:51<serengetisunset>Peng_: Do you have any idea?
15:51<Peng_>serengetisunset: No. I don't use Ruby.
15:51<serengetisunset>Peng_: Ahhh :)
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15:51<b4>I've installed rubygems
15:52<b4>i'd upgarde it for a small fee of $500.
15:52<serengetisunset>Peng_: This is my first foray into it. I'm typically Java...
15:52<serengetisunset>b4: yes?
15:52<b4>* > java
15:52<Peng_>serengetisunset: Why do you need to install RubyGems manually? The distro package isn't good enough?
15:52<serengetisunset>b4: hehehe
15:52<Peng_>Wait, I have installed RubyGems manually. It's like "./setup.rb install" or something. I'm sure it's documented.
15:52<b4>do they make vhcs for freebsd?
15:53<b4>I have a freebsd boc wiht no use.
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15:53<serengetisunset>Peng_: the distro doesn't come with the latest version. and not having the latest version means that it hangs on linode when you try to gem install anything. so you need to upgrade. but to upgrade you need to perform the same kind of lookup. catch 22!
15:56<serengetisunset>@kenichi: were you referring to the gem update --system bit?
15:56<taewoo>OK i am still getting this error on VHCS install -
15:56<serengetisunset>I can't do that on my computer...
15:56<taewoo>and i ran dh-make-perl --cpan Crypt::CBC --build
15:56<serengetisunset>because of the hanging issue...
15:56<taewoo>and the other missing modules
15:56<serengetisunset>Peng_: I will take a look into that ./set.rb that you mention
15:56<serengetisunset>thanks :)
15:57<kenichi>you should be able to install it from a tarball. see section 3.1 (also referring to setup.rb)
15:57<phennessy>taewoo: after you run dh-make-perl, it will create a .deb file. you then need to run dpkg -i file.deb to install it
15:57*b4 installs apache22
15:57<b4>roadrunner no like website hosting.
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15:58<Peng_>serengetisunset: ISTM kenichi's link explains how to do it.
15:59<Peng_>(That was probably the page I referred to when I did it.)
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15:59<b4>how logn can an apache config file chekc take
15:59<b4>on a celeron
15:59<orudie>hi, is Tom here ?
16:00<scott>tasaro: ^
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16:01<b4>php5 will compiel very slowly on CELERON
16:02<Bdragon>Now I'm thinking about floppy drive raid arrays
16:02<orudie>irgeek, here ?
16:04<taewoo>phennesey: ...i do not see them.. where would they be located?
16:06<phennessy>in the same directory you ran the dh-make-perl command
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16:06<b4>Bdragon, want to donate some flopyp drives to me?
16:06<b4>what's a use for 4 dialup modems?
16:06<diN0bot>does anyone know of a shared host that supports python2.5? that runs say debian 5 (lenny) or ubuntu 8.04 (hardy heron) or ubuntu 8.10 (ibex). i can't find one but i don't know everything.
16:07<x86i>4 modems?
16:07<x86i>war dialing maybe?
16:07<phennessy>apt-get install libcrypt-cbc-perl libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl libterm-readpassword-perl
16:07<phennessy>taewoo: ^
16:07<kenichi>hot legend of the red dragon action?
16:07<phennessy>run that instead of dh-make-perl
16:07<phennessy>all the modules you need have packages
16:08<b4>sone did something stupid!
16:08<b4>the assassins creed one might nto eb too abd.
16:08<b4>but the first must die.
16:08<x86i>Is Hanna Montana the new Altair?!
16:08<b4>x86i, probably
16:08<phennessy>i found them by running commands like "apt-cache search perl libterm"
16:09<b4>she goes on the list of stupdi things
16:09<b4>alogn with barney, trilight, dora the explorer, and peopel that sue people for absolutely no reason
16:09<phennessy>you could also google like
16:09<phennessy>well probably need to add perl to the query
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16:10*b4 wants an altair 8800
16:10<b4>alogn w/ an IBM ps/2 and some token ring network equipment, plus a P1 laptop
16:11<b4>and an odl IBM server
16:11<taewoo>thanks phennesy
16:11*kenichi has a tn5250 client installed, and wishes he didn't
16:12<b4>also a cray 1 and a LINC
16:12<malex>tjfontaine: telnet to 3310 on your 192... ip times out. Is there another port I could check to see if I can access the machine with clamav?
16:12<tjfontaine>one moment
16:12<x86i>what the hell do you want all that old equipment for
16:13<b4>x86i, same reason I want an irc client on my router
16:13<x86i>because you are b4
16:13<x86i>I have a p2 laptop
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16:14<tjfontaine>malex: what ip is it trying?
16:14-!-fearoffish [] has joined #linode
16:14<tjfontaine>malex: are you in dallas?
16:14<agentbleubleu>I have to reinstall apache2 from a Virtualmin repository, as I have some problem with suexec. I dont know how to install these. I have currently debian5 installed and the virtualmin apache can be found here: there seems to be a few (which ones?) and do I use get?
16:14<malex>tjfontaine: dallas114
16:15<tjfontaine>can you ping or connect to ssh on my box?
16:15<Athenon>IntuitiveNipple: the response was that the kernel is fine and that its a "userspace" issue. thats about all that was said.
16:15<x86i>question... if you have RDNS setup, and you nslookup your IP, shouldnt the domain come back under Name:
16:16<tjfontaine>malex: it seems to work for me
16:16<IntuitiveNipple>Athenon: I didn't doubt the kernel; you're using the same one as my server.
16:16<IntuitiveNipple>Athenon: Seems like something in the configuration has been messed up
16:16<Athenon>nod...but it seems...since its a userspace issue, they wont help
16:16<Athenon>he suggested reinstalling the kernel logger
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16:18<serengetisunset>Peng_: thanks
16:19<serengetisunset>kenichi: how do i get the download onto my ubuntu
16:19<x86i>ok... setting up OpenVPN via: INSANE
16:19<kenichi>x86i: if you nslookup your IP, you get the PTR record.
16:19<b4>mikegrb, cool password.
16:19<serengetisunset>i am trying to wget the link for the .tgz file?
16:19<@mikegrb>not any more
16:19<serengetisunset>(i am working off console only)
16:19<x86i>kneichi, thats what I thought
16:20<kenichi>serengetisunset: that sounds like a fine way to do it
16:20*phennessy sends mikegrb a real mouse
16:20*b4 assumes that was mikegrb's root pass
16:20-!-mikegrb changed the topic of #linode to: Linode Community Support | | Custom kernels with pv-grub -
16:20<b4>why? because I can assume that.
16:21<b4>mikegrb, whats difefrent in the topic?
16:21<orudie>mikegrb, if you see my support ticket i hope you know what I mean
16:21<b4> is broken.
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16:22<orudie>hi Yaakov
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16:22<Peng_>What did you change in the topic?
16:22*Yaakov stabs b4 in the face with a sharpened Linode.
16:22*kenichi <3s pixies
16:22<Yaakov>Hello, orudie.
16:22*b4 eats it
16:22<phennessy>Peng_: secret
16:22<Yaakov>He's wrong, the nipple is also learned.
16:22<b4>i'll search my linode logs.
16:22*Yaakov stabs b4 in the face with a sharpened Linode, again.
16:23<phennessy>i burn mine in the fireplace
16:23<b4>i'll search my linode logs.
16:23*b4 eats it
16:23<phennessy>make sure no one steals them
16:23*Yaakov stabs b4 in the face with a sharpened Linode, again.
16:23*b4 eats it
16:23<Yaakov>It won't die.
16:23<kenichi>aim for the heart?
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16:24<x86i>Damn openvpn is so flippin complex to setup
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16:24<SelfishMan>what? openvpn is easy
16:25<orudie>i hope that whoever is gonna look at my support ticket is gonna know what i mean
16:25<taewoo>I am not able to receive mail on this account and error log - how do I rememdy this?
16:25<x86i>Every "how to" I've found about it.... Is like 500 setups long
16:25<x86i>500 steps*
16:25<taewoo>username = rose
16:25<x86i>damnit mikegrb
16:25<mwalling>x86i: did you try openvpn's "how to"?
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16:26<x86i>You know mwalling... thats the one I didn't look at.
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16:26<x86i>Told you I am stupid
16:27<mwalling>taewoo: there are 2 emails there. one is your bounce message, one is a relay attempt being squashed.
16:27<b4>Yaakov, linodes aren't sharp enough
16:28*Yaakov constructs a gigajoule linode rail gun...
16:28<b4>still not enough.
16:28<taewoo>mwalling: but i did do a "useradd -m -s /bin/bash -g users rose".. followed by "passwd rose"
16:28<mwalling>taewoo: theres nothing wrong in that log.
16:29<mwalling>oh, theres some failed logins, but thats not a postfix issue.
16:29<b4>why IPV6?
16:29<taewoo>mwalling I see... how can I test to see if email account "rose" exists?
16:29<mwalling>send an email to it?
16:30<x86i>whoa... look at that install page
16:30<taewoo>mwalling: got bounced... thus the error log
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16:31<b4>php5 finished compilign on a celeron
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16:32<b4>i'm timing hwo long it takes to compilg php5-extensions on freebsd
16:32<x86i>on a celeron?
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16:33<b4>466MHZ celeron
16:33<x86i>I would ask why, but I know the answer
16:33<b4>it's my second home server
16:34<kenichi>i got a linode so i could get rid of home server
16:34<b4>i have a linode too.
16:34<taewoo>mwalling: ok.. sorry about that maybe my wording is wrong. but when I do send email to it, i get this error -
16:35<mwalling>show me the logs.
16:36<b4>has your MX record propogated?
16:36<kenichi>!dns com
16:36<linbot>kenichi: Host not found.
16:36<kenichi>that's the error
16:36<b4>has your dns period propogated?
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16:36<mwalling>b4: its not a dns issue
16:36<@mikegrb>Peng_: phennessy:
16:37<b4>i see
16:37<taewoo>mwalling: /var/log/mail.log -
16:38<mwalling>Feb 24 10:42:19 pawshpal postfix/smtpd[14784]: warning: database /etc/aliases.db is older than source file /etc/aliases
16:38<mwalling>did you not run newaliases after updating your alias file?
16:38<taewoo>let me try
16:38<@mikegrb>phennessy: 15:29:00 is when it was done, I'm interested in seeing if a 5 minute recording interval is adequate for seeing fluctuations on the graph from opening door and such
16:39<b4><linbot> Error: ":@-_-@:!" is not a valid command.
16:39<phennessy>didn't your mother yell at you for leaving the door open?
16:39<phennessy>mine did
16:39<@mikegrb>right but you have to open the door to take something out :p
16:39<b4>doors > windows
16:39<mwalling>Feb 24 11:08:20 pawshpal postfix/local[17054]: 13BCE11F64: to=<>, relay=local, delay=1.3, delays=0.67/0.44/0/0.23, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (forwarded as 56185120F9)
16:39<phennessy>you need to tie into the light bulb and see how long the door is open for
16:39<taewoo>mwalling: ok.. that did the trick, but that email "rose" is being forwarded to another account
16:40<mwalling>thats because you told it to.
16:40<b4>still compiling
16:40<mwalling>Feb 24 11:08:20 pawshpal postfix/smtp[17056]: 56185120F9: to=<rose@com>, orig_to=<>, relay=none, delay=0.05, delays=0/0.01/0.04/0, dsn=5.4.4, status=bounced (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=com type=AAAA: Host not found)
16:40<taewoo>mwalling: this is my /etc/aliases -
16:40<b4>building curl atm
16:40<phennessy>i'm thinking that if opening the door, getting stuff and closing quickly.. then it may not show on the gauge unless it takes a reading when the door is open
16:41<encode>mikegrb: did you see my feature request on the forums?
16:41<phennessy>we use that with nagios in our server rooms
16:42<taewoo>mwalling: so why the forward...?
16:42<mwalling>because you told it to.
16:42<supine>mikegrb: phennessy: someone left a door open?
16:42<phennessy>position of the probe is really important, cause if it just lies on top of the rack without hanging freely, it doesn't get a good reading
16:42<taewoo>mwalling: how do I get user rose to have its own account?
16:42<phennessy>but it does seem to pick of temp changes quickly
16:42<@mikegrb>encode: har
16:42<b4>i broke it
16:43<mwalling>have you tried sending an email after you updated the alias database?
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16:45<taewoo>mwalling: oh ok.. it works now.. thanks a bunch.. though I am having trouble sending now
16:46<taewoo>mwalling: so i need to run "newaliases" after adding users?
16:47<mwalling>16:38 < mwalling> Feb 24 10:42:19 pawshpal postfix/smtpd[14784]: warning: database /etc/aliases.db is older than source file /etc/aliases
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16:47<mwalling>whats that error say?
16:47<b4>/etc/aliases.db is older than /etc/aliases.
16:48<taewoo>mwalling: From outlook - The connection to the server has failed. Subject 'haha', Account: '', Server: '', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10060, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E
16:49<phennessy>you don't want ssl on port 25
16:50<phennessy>ssl or tls should be on 465 or 587 respectively
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16:51<lucca>SSL on 465, TLS on 25/587
16:51<taewoo>Where do i specify?
16:51<taewoo>the port #'s?
16:51<straterra>I'm having an issue making my ipod use my imap server :/
16:51<mwalling>didnt i tell you to read BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README already?
16:52<taewoo>if u're referring to, i did.. it does not say
16:52<supine>horse -> water != drink
16:53<b4>horse -> horse != cow
16:54<b4>bbl dinner
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16:55<SamuelH>Linode: would I have any trouble running cPanel on one of your machines?
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16:58<SamuelH>Can I pick a datacenter?
16:58<supine>SamuelH: save your money and use ebox
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16:58<supine>SamuelH: that link has a file at each DC to test with
17:00<taewoo>i changed the SMTP port to 26... but still can't send... /var/log/mail.log - Outlook Express -
17:00<SamuelH>Atlanta is the fastest
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17:01<supine>SamuelH: think about where the people who will be using your server are too.
17:01<supine>Fremont is good for AsiaPac
17:01<SamuelH>Right, we have a lot of local users :)
17:01<x86i>atlanta ROCKS
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17:01<supine>Newark is good for Euro
17:01<supine>all are good for USAians
17:02<SamuelH>How hard is it to upgrade to larger plans?
17:02<SamuelH>IE expansion
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17:02<supine>you submit a support ticket
17:03<supine>they find you a spare slot on the size host you are moving up to
17:03<SamuelH>Does the space just appear or are there some commands that need to be run on my end?
17:03<Peng_>SamuelH: They give you a button to press. You shut down your node and press it.
17:04<supine>adding more RAM requires a reboot
17:04<SamuelH>Got it.
17:04<SamuelH>I like buttons :D
17:05<taewoo>Can someone hlpe me with SMTP outoign emails? i changed the SMTP port to 26... but still can't send... /var/log/mail.log - Outlook Express -
17:05<Peng_>Support ticket + button is for switching plans. If you just want to temporarily add some RAM or something, you can do that in the extras page of the manager. That just requires a reboot.
17:05<Peng_>Upgrading plans is a better bargain though.
17:05<mwalling>taewoo: good job, now nobody can send you emails! congrats!
17:06<Battousai>the ultimate spam filter
17:06<encode>i think we should start a petition to get people to change their smtp port to 26
17:06<SamuelH>Thanks everyone for the info. I'll keep you guys in mind when we get ready to migrate.
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17:07<mwalling>he's running irc from his barracuda?
17:07<Peng_>Huh, port 26 is unassigned.
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17:09<taewoo>mwalling would appreciate any help
17:09<linbot>mwalling: "googleapps" could be Google Apps for your Domain:
17:09<mwalling>theres your help
17:10<taewoo>i am going to use google app.. but i need the email for doing user registration
17:10*mwalling goes back to beating some F77 with a clue bat
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17:11<Battousai>cobol is better
17:11<mwalling>Battousai: wanna rewrite our code?
17:11<mwalling>getting it from CVF6 to g77 was hard enough
17:11<Battousai>i charge $15 per line
17:11<Battousai>$25 for non-comment lines
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17:13<b4>joeK failed.
17:14<mwalling>git question... when i run "git diff", it brings it up in less(1)... but it looks like crap (its got lots of "ESC[m"s and other "ESC"s through out... i tried git config color.diff false (both with and without --global)... git config color.pager false (again, with and without global).. and it still looks like shit
17:14<straterra>Battousai: how much to get the new samba working?
17:15<mwalling>but "git diff > foo~; less foo~; rm foo~" works fine
17:15<bob2>colours default to off, afaict
17:15<b4>Battousai, how much to fix hddtemo to run on freebsd 7.1?
17:16<mwalling>hmm, does most(1) do color?
17:16<straterra>I bought a wireless kvm today o.O
17:18<b4>i have a kvm.
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17:18<taewoo2>Do you guys know any good VPS hosting that has cPanel?
17:18<bob2>linode + cpanel license!
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17:18<mwalling>taewoo: i wouldnt trust a provider who uses cpanel
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17:19<taewoo2>well, seeing how i'm getting basshed for not knowing is not something i'd like to continue
17:19<taewoo2>i'd rather pay more and not do this system admin stuff
17:19<b4>steadcom has cpanel
17:19<b4>but steadcom fails.
17:20<mwalling>13:57 < taewoo> developers like me aren't interested in doing thi server admin stuff.. that's probably a big reason
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17:20<mwalling>you dont want to learn. thats your problem.
17:20<supine>sounds like you don't want a VPS then
17:20<taewoo2>yeah i don't. that's why i learned to make websites from reading a book i picked up from the library
17:21<b4>mwalling, I actually learned.
17:21<b4>That's why I still have a linode.
17:21<mwalling>taewoo2: take a lesson from b4
17:21<x86i>Just out of curiosity, what kind of developer are you?
17:21<MarkJ>This conversation was there when I woke up, andnow when I get to work!
17:21<b4>mwalling, most has color support
17:21<mwalling>i cant believe i said that
17:21<MarkJ>x86i: VB?
17:21<b4>atleast the package in the arch repo.
17:21<Yaakov>taewoo2: I use Webmin and am happy with it. It is a sort of compromise between something like cPanel and direct administration.
17:22<mwalling>b4: yeah, looks like slack's does, just need to get git to use it
17:22<taewoo2>I'm not asking for heaven + earth.. just standard LAMP, email, ssh... that's all
17:22<b4>still compiling php5 extensions
17:22<b4>currently compilign mysql5
17:22<Yaakov>taewoo2: And with some experience, things get easier.
17:22<bob2>email is hard
17:22<x86i>haha MarkJ, I was actually asking taewoo2
17:22<bob2>if cpanel claims to make it easy, it is lying
17:22<b4>taewoo2, you can pay someone to do it for ypu/teach you
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17:22<bob2>lamp and ssh are trivial
17:23<b4>bob2, I managed to setup email.
17:23<b4>it's not using SSL/TLS though
17:23<bob2>sudo aptitude install openssh-server libapache2-mod-php5
17:23<b4>actually, it's easier
17:23<mwalling>ssh's already installed on linodes
17:23<b4>sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
17:23<Yaakov>taewoo: It may well be that managed hosting is better for you.
17:23<b4>php5, apache, mysql
17:23<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
17:24<b4>rsdehart, LIES
17:24<rsdehart>take it up with linbot
17:24<Yaakov>taewoo: If you aren't going to take advantage of the flexibility of a VPS, you won't gain much and you might lose.
17:24<Peng_>Although you should secure SSH.
17:24<x86i>apt-get install brain
17:24<supine>b4: but then you have phpmyadmin installed
17:25<b4>supine, so? just remove phpmyadmin
17:25<b4>i broke phpmyadmin...
17:25<x86i>Does phpmyadmin work with Postrege or whatever
17:25<taewoo>Yaakov: I just can't figure out why i can't send mail..
17:25<taewoo>i can receive
17:25<bob2>phppgadmin or whatever
17:26<taewoo>but not send
17:26<b4>but tehre s a postgresql web thingy
17:26<x86i>son of a beach
17:26<Yaakov>taewoo: You need to watch the logs.
17:26<x86i>thanks bob2
17:26<supine>b4: and a system with sane dependencies goes "well that means you don't need that pesky apache or mysql either"
17:26<mwalling>Yaakov: he doesnt like that answer
17:26<x86i>tell bob1 I said hey
17:26<bob2>if you have no idea and don't want to invest a lot of effort, just use google apps for email
17:26<b4>supine, name a distro that does that.
17:27<supine>debian, ubuntu
17:27<taewoo>mwalling: If u can't saything good, i appreciate it if you didn't make sarcastic comments
17:27<x86i>debian does it
17:27<supine>it marks things as auto-installed and if nothing depends on them anymore they get removed
17:27<mwalling>taewoo: your client has an /ignore function.
17:27<b4>I install it via debian
17:27<bob2>taewoo: your problem is you haven't set up smtp auth, tls auth or told it to trust your static ip
17:27<mwalling>taewoo: if you dont like what comes out of my mouth, ignore me
17:27<Yaakov>taewoo: You need to set up SMTP Auth.
17:27<bob2>taewoo: google apps is a really simple solution if you don't want to bother learning about all that
17:27<b4>when I do apt-get remove phpmyadmin
17:27<Yaakov>taewoo: Try sending from the Linode itself.
17:27<b4>it just asks em if I want to remove phpmyadmin
17:28<bob2>b4: use aptitude
17:28<bob2>b4: and/or apt-get autoremove
17:28<bob2>it is 2009 dude!
17:28<x86i>no wai?!
17:28*kenichi ducks
17:28<x86i>rpm -i?
17:29<b4>pacman -S?
17:29<taewoo>Yaakov: Thanks.. Im trying not to comment on every feedback as to not annoy those who are helping me.. googling what you're saying now.. ;)
17:29<Peng_>tar xjf && cd && ./configure && make && sudo make install?
17:29<taewoo>i.e. SMTO auth
17:29<taewoo>SMTP auth
17:29<Yaakov>taewoo: Please test sending from the Linode itself.
17:29<kenichi>always ./configure --help
17:29<b4>cs /usr/ports/<port> && sudo mak install clean
17:30<mwalling>also, if you're just sending registration, and you're going to use google apps like you said, why would you need smtp auth?
17:32<taewoo>mwalling: if i used google apps and need to have something like ""... will google app engine send out whatever my php script sends out?
17:33<Clorith>Where is the MAXCONNECTIONS set up ?
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17:33<b4>taewoo, for sendign email, just use exim
17:33<b4>it can easily be configured for PAM
17:33<b4>which reminds me,
17:33<b4>is anyone good at setting up PAM in exim4 on freebsd?
17:34<x86i>PAM works well on the grill, too!
17:34<Yaakov>taewoo: You can send email FROM the Linode, almost certainly.
17:34<b4>x86i, so does SPAM
17:34<Yaakov>taewoo: You tried to send from your own machine THROUGH the Linode.
17:34<bob2>what on earth
17:35<Yaakov>Also, mwalling hates everything except his wife and cats.
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17:36<supine>b4: you're recommending exim to someone struggling to drive postfix? WTF?
17:36<b4>exim4 isn't simpel to configure?
17:36<b4>i always thought postfix was much more difficult...
17:36<b4>does postfix work easy w/ PAM?
17:37<taewoo>Yaakov: Yeap. that worked
17:37<b4>I could never configure postfix.
17:37<b4>i have a script that sends me a bandwith report =D
17:37<x86i>my linode tweets to me now
17:37<taewoo>YAAKOV: I sent from one user account to another... was able to retrieve that from Outlook
17:38<b4>x86i, !?
17:38<b4>can I see your script?
17:38<taewoo>YAAKOV: how do i remedy this "Relay Access Denied"?
17:39<b4>allow relay access.
17:39*b4 hides
17:39<Yaakov>taewoo: Send from the Linode to an external account.
17:39<x86i>well, I have a few scripts
17:39<x86i>2 of them polls for information, then I have a basic php/curl script that sends the status to a twitter
17:40<Yaakov>taewoo: In order to safely turn on realying you will have to set up SMTP AUTH with saslauthd.
17:40<Yaakov>taewoo: It is no fun, in my experience, but you might find a nice how-to.
17:41<b4>i just got a backtrace of banner
17:41<b4>and I did the letter I
17:42<b4>how do you print output form banner?
17:42<x86i>bah, I dislike *nix irc client. MIRC rocks
17:42<b4>mirc ftl
17:42<b4>epic ftl
17:43<b4>how do I rotate my terminal...
17:43<x86i>screw you mikegrb
17:43<bliblok>mIRC is history.
17:43*TofuMatt loves xchat
17:43<bliblok>Like MS Comic Chat.
17:43<x86i>I don't have a gui running on my linode
17:43<x86i>and would never
17:43<x86i>so its all cli for me
17:44<Clorith>what could be the reason when ulimit -n isn't updating accordingly when I change my FD_SETSIZE (ubuntu) ?
17:44<Yaakov>I used mIRC for about 10 years, I use Irssi with a couple of scripts now and except for the terrible pain in my ear I am happy.
17:44<Peng_>x86i: If you have a halfway-decent IRC client, you can probably ignore the lolz and roflz stuff.
17:44<b4>can I rotate the output from banner....
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17:44<x86i>I am using IrcII
17:44<TofuMatt>irssi is great if you're CLI
17:45<Peng_>Where did the other lolbots go? It's just mikegrb now?
17:45<Yaakov>x86i: Use Irssi.
17:45<Peng_>TofuMatt: irssi is great period. :)
17:45<TofuMatt>Well, yes :-)
17:45<MarkJ>I only ever use irssi
17:45<Peng_>What are we talking about?
17:45<x86i>Hrm... will have to install that. brb
17:45*TofuMatt uses Colloquy on OS X
17:45<kenichi>colloquy <3
17:45<Yaakov>I use screen + Irssi everywhere.
17:45<TofuMatt>but if Colloquy wasn't so nice, I'd use irssi on OS X too
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17:45*TofuMatt hates screen
17:45<Yaakov>I don't use a local client.
17:46<MarkJ>IrcII, there's something I haven't used for many years
17:46<TofuMatt>There, I said it.
17:46<Peng_>I run X-Chat locally, because I used to before i started running irssi on my Linode. I should move to irssi locally too.
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17:46<Yaakov>TofuMatt: OK, but, why?
17:46<b4>my linode has X
17:46<Peng_>b4: It...why?
17:46<b4>Peng_, no clue.
17:46<Yaakov>Peng_: Why use a local client at all?
17:46<b4>i think so I can xfroward stuff and use vnc
17:46<Peng_>Yaakov: I like to keep a local client going for when my Linode explodes.
17:46<Peng_>Yaakov: Also for iRPGs.
17:46<b4>I use an IRC bouncer
17:46<TofuMatt>^A, first of all, was a lame shortcut to pick. Second of all, it messes up some editors for me.
17:47<mwalling>TofuMatt: you can reassing it
17:47<TofuMatt>yeah, I know
17:47<TofuMatt>But I don't need it anyway
17:47<kenichi>or stop using those editors
17:47<Yaakov>TofuMatt: You can also fix your terminal emulation.
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17:47<Yaakov>Or, you can use dtach for the main funtion that is important in this case.
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17:48<x86i>this is pretty sweet
17:48<TofuMatt>yeah, but that's the thing -- I found myself detaching a fair bit
17:48<b4>i can't right click in my terminal
17:48<TofuMatt>or being confused as to whether or not I was attached
17:48<x86i>are you a mac user b4 ?
17:48<Peng_>x86i: :)
17:48<b4>x86i, no
17:48<x86i>irssi DOES rock
17:48<b4>archlinux user
17:49<x86i>I can actually see whats going on
17:49<TofuMatt>aaaaaand, again, though it might have been configurable, the lack of audio beeps leaves me wanting... well... audio beeps
17:49<Yaakov>I have a shell script that automagically attaches the terminal to the Irssi session as soon as the network is available.
17:49<kenichi>it sounds like you've had this discussion before
17:49<x86i>how... do I change the window to look at a PM
17:49<Yaakov>It works really nicely on my MBP.
17:49<Yaakov>I have the same thing working under Vista using Cygwin and PuTTY-cyg.
17:49<TofuMatt>But, it doesn't matter anyway -- I don't need screen to do anything, as I don't use an IRC client on remote machines through ssh
17:50<Yaakov>x86i: meta-number
17:50<TofuMatt>If I want multiple sessions, I make multiple connections
17:50<Peng_>x86i: You can use e.g. Alt+4 to switch to window 4, Alt+W to switch to window 12, etc. Or Alt+left or right.
17:50<Peng_>x86i: Read a tutorial. :)
17:50<Yaakov>x86i: esc is usually meta.
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17:50<Yaakov>Or alt.
17:50<Peng_>s/Alt/meta/g, I guess.
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17:50<x86i>yeah its alt
17:50<Yaakov>x86i: I use a script called
17:51<Peng_>Yaakov: What's that?
17:51<Yaakov>x86i: I couldn't use Irssi happily without it.
17:51<mwalling> <-- scripts i use
17:51<Peng_>I'm so boring, I only use like one script.
17:51<b4>wut is wlstat?
17:51<x86i>Yaakov: thanks, I'll check that out
17:51<b4>i have a smiley flood script
17:51<mwalling>b4: you should use it. tjfontaine would love you for it
17:52<Peng_>Oh, I use splitlong. I used to use trackbar but it leaked memory.
17:52<MarkJ>Never used that script, but couldn't use any other client :)
17:52<Yaakov>Peng_: It makes the status bar much more informative.
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17:52<b4>mwalling, it's only 1 line
17:52<Peng_>Yaakov: Oh, that sounds interesting.
17:52<mwalling>Peng_: is that whats leaking
17:52<mwalling>here i was thinking i screwed something up in twirssi
17:53<b4{linode}>01101100 01101111 01101100 00111111
17:53<Peng_>mwalling: I dunno. That's what did it for me. I don't use twirssi.
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17:53<mwalling>b4: fail.
17:53<b4>wtf is
17:53<Peng_>(1.) I'm happy using, 2.) I'm afraid of those errors twirssi used to cause.)
17:53<b4{linode}>mwalling: do ou use scirptassist?
17:53<mwalling>b4{linode}: is scriptassist on that list?
17:53<mwalling>Peng_: you have to type /tweet first
17:54<Peng_>What are updike and scriptassist?
17:54<b4{linode}>01001000 01101111 01110111 00100000 01101100 01101111 01101110 01100111 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100001 00111111
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17:54<tjfontaine>oh god
17:54<mwalling>Peng_: /ctcp mwalling updike
17:54<Peng_>I don't want to know.
17:54<b4>i will not ask...
17:54<Peng_>Haha, is half the channel messing with irssi now? :P
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17:55<b4{linode}>India Charlie Alfa November Sierra Papa Echo Lima Lima !
17:55<x86i>I like that I can actually see my name
17:56<MarkJ>Also handy to know how to configure your config file to autojoin specific channels and authenticate to various networks
17:56*mwalling slaps MarkJ
17:56<mwalling>use the commands and /save, not editing the file
17:56<b4{linode}>iam detach
17:56<b4{linode}>and them pm me
17:57<x86i>I remember there was a script for irssi that shows your current latency to the IRC server
17:57<b4>chuck, try again
17:57<b4>i had screen atatched
17:57<b4>try now
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17:57<b4>and wIT
17:57<Yaakov>Peng_: That's my screen.
17:57<b4>hi ____`
17:57<b4>wut is wlstat?
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17:58<Peng_>x86i: For me, irssi sometimes show it anyway.
17:58<Peng_>b4: It's a script.
17:58<Bdragon>if I had to guess without looking, I'd say a monitor for wireless
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17:58<b4>will it run on my router...
17:59<x86i>do you have some sort of super router?
17:59<Yaakov>x86i: That picture is what wlstat does.
17:59<b4>it almost runs weechat
17:59<MarkJ>mwalling: but that's the great thing about linux, so many ways to do things ;-)
18:00<Bdragon>(could say that for perl too)
18:00<taewoo>Yaakov: I think i managed to get SMTP auth.. but now my error is a bit different
18:01<Yaakov>taewoo: saslauthd is not working.
18:01<Yaakov>taewoo: it is a configuration issue.
18:01<b4>i wish weechat would work :(
18:01<mwalling>why does he need smtp auth if he's only sending registration emails?
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18:01<orudie>irgeek, here ?
18:02<taewoo>Yaakov: what's the remedy?
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18:02*Peng_ installs auto_whois :)
18:02<mwalling>first is with core.pager less, second is > foo; less foo, third is core.pager most
18:03<b4>can anyoen understand what is wrong?
18:04<Yaakov>taewoo: I don't know, it needs troubleshooting.
18:04<Yaakov>taewoo: Something in the chain of saslauthd is unhappy.
18:04<orudie>Yaakov, do you respond to support tickets?
18:04<abysed>no nickname set maybe?
18:04<Yaakov>It looks like maybe PAM.
18:04<bd_>orudie: only the ops are actual staff and can respond to support tickets
18:05<bd_>everyone else just has too much time on their hands
18:05<Yaakov>orudie: I am not a staff member.
18:05<Yaakov>orudie: I am just Yaakov.
18:05<orudie>didnt know that
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18:05<Yaakov>bd_ is much more helpful than me!
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18:06<b4>why is weechta crashing ><
18:06<mwalling>because you're trying to run it on a wrt
18:07<x86i>use your toaster
18:07<b4>x86i, it's a nromal toaster
18:09<x86i>you are shitting me
18:09<x86i>pardon my french
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18:10<b4>lets port rissi to it.
18:10<jkwood>x86i: Funny, I don' feel anything.
18:11<Yaakov>I have a TS-7300 but I run ARM Linux and don't put it in toasters.
18:11<Yaakov>It very easily runs a full compliment of stuff, including Apache and perl.
18:11<Yaakov>(and Irssi)
18:12<x86i>I love that toaster man
18:12<x86i>I want one
18:12<x86i>I want it to tweet me with toast is done
18:13<Yaakov>The 7300 is the red board, the others are some research boards we made:
18:16<bd_> about time
18:16<Yaakov>This is the board:
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18:19<linbot>New news from forums: Help I am so lost. in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
18:20<b4>I am lost...
18:20<b4>i cant finish that
18:20<Peng_>bd_: Given the size of what VeriSign manages, taking 2 years is reasonable, isn't it?
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18:20<rsdehart>I just listen for the toast popping up to alert me that the toast is done
18:20<rsdehart>but I'm just wholly unconventional like that
18:20<b4>tasaro, your sasl stuff is wrong
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18:21<taewoo>Has anyone had experience w/ProVPS?
18:21<b4>taewoo, your sasl stuff is configured wrong
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18:22<bd_>Peng_: sure, but 2011 is a lot better than "who knows" :)
18:22<bd_>I mean, it's about time people were actually seriously trying to deploy dnssec
18:22<b4>just buy a cpanel license
18:22<b4>and have someone install it for you
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18:23<Yaakov>mikegrb: New tech support tool:
18:23<HoopyCat>rsdehart: %SYS-1-TOASTAVAIL: Roses are Red / Violets are Blue / Your Toast is Done / Your Bacon is Too
18:23<taewoo>i just want email to work... that's it
18:23<b4>hai HoopyCat
18:23<rsdehart>HoopyCat: Well if you put it that way...
18:23<b4>taewoo, yoru sasl is wrong
18:24<taewoo>Do i even need SASL to do SMTP?
18:24<taewoo>i followed this set of instructions -
18:25<Yaakov>If you want to send mail from somewhere outside the Linode to somewhere else outside, yes, you do.
18:25<b4> configured it to use SASL...
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18:26<taewoo>Sorry if I sound ignorant, but i'm new to linux admin .. I just need SMTP auth.. doesn't have to be secure
18:26<b4>user PAM
18:26<b4>use PAM
18:27<Yaakov>taewoo: Are you going to use your Linode as a mail realy or only mail FROM it?
18:28<taewoo>Yaakov: Use it for a couple of users.. and email registration type automated emails
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18:28<Yaakov>taewoo: If you want to use it as a "normal" IMAP/SMTP server you have to make SASL work.
18:29<x86i>I <3 Linode. Thank you for being awesome
18:29<Yaakov>If you are using TLS, you can use plain text auth.
18:30<b4>i like
18:30<b4>forgot what I was going to say
18:30<b4>my irc network has atheme, with saslserv laoded
18:31<taewoo>Yaakov: Thanks.. but im stuck on that part..
18:31<taewoo>can't treat the illness b/c i don't even know what symptoms to look for
18:32<Yaakov>taewoo: Look at the auth log.
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18:32<Yaakov>I have a horrible pain in my ear from an ear infection so I am likely to be a little short.
18:32<taewoo>Yaakov: where is that located?
18:33<Yaakov>Or so... I don't do Unbuntu.
18:33<x86i>also, taewoo , if you want to find something do .... find / |grep "whatever you want to find"
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18:34<x86i>thats the dirtyway
18:34<Yaakov>find / -iname <something> -print
18:35<x86i>thats most likly much less cpu intense
18:35<Yaakov>man find
18:35<taewoo>i have this line - Feb 24 14:53:45 pawshpal saslpasswd2: error deleting entry from sasldb: DB_NOTFOUND: No matching key/data pair found
18:35<supine>x86i: never heard of grep -r ?
18:36<Yaakov>taewoo: You don't want to use saslpasswd unless you want accounts that aren't UNIX accounts.
18:36<linbot>New news from forums: Can outsiders identify a machine with 2 IP addresses? in Linux Networking <>
18:36<Yaakov>taewoo: You don't need the complexity.
18:36<x86i>supine: Yeah, I have :)
18:36<b4>Yaakov, Ubunut.
18:36<orudie>tasaro, , i shut down my node, when to settings/utilities - clone
18:36<Yaakov>taewoo: You just want to use PLAIN.
18:36<taewoo>Yaakov: Yeap. Exacto-mundo.
18:37<orudie>it gave me 'jobs dispatched '
18:37<taewoo>Yaakov: HOw do I do that?
18:38<Yaakov>taewoo: I use Sendmail, but I would look at /etc/sasl/<your_MTA>.conf
18:38<SelfishMan>Ha. Google's weather API just reported a wind condition of 'E at -8 mph'
18:39<Yaakov>SelfishMan: That's west at +8.
18:39<SelfishMan>Yaakov: No, it is West at 33 mph
18:39<x86i>what math did you take?
18:40<SelfishMan>Sorry, W at 29mph
18:40<x86i>8+8 = 29?
18:40<taewoo>pwcheck_method: saslauthd
18:40<taewoo>Yaakov: pwcheck_method: saslauthd
18:41<Yaakov>Make it PAM and mech_list LOGIN
18:42<Athenon>when reinstalling klogd and syslogd, i got a bunch of these: fopen: Permission denied
18:42<Yaakov>Make it PAM and allowplaintext: 1 mech_list: LOGIN
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18:43<taewoo>Yaakov: Sorry but ... what's the syntax?
18:43<Yaakov>those two, each on a line
18:43<Yaakov>Just like that.
18:44<Yaakov>You should try it with saslauthd first if you don't have those entries already.
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18:47<Yaakov> # My big one.
18:48<Yaakov>Not as big as that monster but big.
18:48<HoopyCat>when someone yells my name, pastes a .jpg, and comments that it's their "big one," i'm naturally somewhat hesitant to click
18:49<HoopyCat>what model TI is that?
18:49<Yaakov>It is the TI HP 49g+
18:49<SelfishMan>Leave it to HoopyCat to see the calc on the side and ask what model it is
18:50<HoopyCat>Yaakov: oh yeah, there's 6 f'n keys instead of 5
18:50<Yaakov>One of my five TI HPs.
18:50<repnop>host load at medium can cause spikes up to 1000ms?
18:50<@mikegrb>Yaakov: hunter wants to know if you are strong and if the magnet is heavy
18:50<@mikegrb>also "wow I want a shotgun like that one"
18:50<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: i have a TI-83 Plus open on my desk too
18:51<Yaakov>mikegrb: I am strong, the magnet is relatively heavy but not enough to require special strength.
18:51<lucca>I like my ti89ti
18:51<Yaakov>HoopyCat: It makes sense to get a TI for EE, but I am an HP man.
18:52<Yaakov>mikegrb: You can tell hunter than my record for one set of pushups is 93.
18:52<Yaakov>that, not than.
18:52<Yaakov>My brane is not strong.
18:52<HoopyCat>the calculator i carry in my backpack is a TI-30XIIB... the 83 Plus is for math and canoodling
18:53<taewoo>Yaakov Thanks for all your help..
18:53<Yaakov>taewoo: Any luck?
18:53<taewoo>but i think i have to find a differnet solution
18:53<taewoo>im gonna have to go with a provider that has cpanel support
18:53<taewoo>this is wasy too much headache for such trivial tasks.. oh well..
18:53<Yaakov>taewoo: Managed hosting might make sense if you don't have the wherewithall to learn the sysadmin stuff.
18:54<taewoo>thanks for all your helpd bd_, Yaakov, mwalling, irgeek... you guys are great
18:54<HoopyCat>jkwood: you know, the pulseaudio on my workstation keeps dying mysteriously, so unfortunately, i have no sound from the PC
18:54<taewoo>i'll stop bugging you guys
18:54<Yaakov>taewoo: My wife is very happy with Precision Hosting.
18:54<Yaakov>taewoo: She did a lot of research before signing up.
18:54<jkwood>HoopyCat: It's probably fortunate.
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18:54<HoopyCat>jkwood: hit me with that again in a few days?
18:54<Yaakov>taewoo: They provide very responsive support.
18:54<taewoo>Yaakov: They look like shared host
18:54<jkwood>HoopyCat: Absolutely.
18:54<Yaakov>taewoo: They are.
18:55<Yaakov>taewoo: If you are not going to manage your own configuration, why would you want a VPS?
18:55<taewoo>no, i do want to manage my own stuff.. but not like in shared hosting way
18:55<taewoo>i just don't wanna do these linux admin stuff everyday
18:55<Yaakov>taewoo: What do you expect to gain from a VPS?
18:55<bd_> :|
18:56<Yaakov>taewoo: You won't do it everyday, you are still doing the initial configuration. Once that is done, you won't touch it very often.
18:56<x86i>I touch *it* every day
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18:58<HoopyCat>bd_: hee hee
18:58<Yaakov>taewoo: And, if you set up Google Apps, you won't have to worry about this at all. You can currently send from the Linode with no problem.
18:59<taewoo>Yaakov: Well, we're trying to be low cost up front. I think Google apps charges now
18:59<Yaakov>taewoo: Free for the basic version.
18:59<Yaakov>taewoo: Works fine.
18:59<repnop>free version allows like 50 users now
18:59<Yaakov>taewoo: You can pay for more.
18:59<repnop>rather than 100 but still
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19:01<taewoo>oh.. the standard edition -
19:01<taewoo>they make that link obscure
19:01<repnop>course they want you to pay :)
19:02<Yaakov>taewoo: After the learning curve, Linode will be great for you if you want a VPS.
19:02<HoopyCat>kitchening, bbl.
19:03<taewoo>Ok.. i'll try the linode/google app method.. hope i don't lose more hair than I already did the past 24 hours
19:03<taewoo>I need Hair Club for Men
19:03<Yaakov>taewoo: Don't stress out about it. You are learning something that people take a LONG time to master. You haven't given it much time.
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19:04<repnop>first time he's going to run linux?
19:04<taewoo>Yaakov: Do they stick that google mail link underneath every email you send if using google apps?
19:04<taewoo>repnop: not first time running.. first time really administering
19:04<Yaakov>taewoo: I can check.
19:05<repnop>so first time :)
19:05<taewoo>now i have newfound respect for linux admins
19:05<taewoo>no wonder they're pissed off most of the time
19:05<repnop>centos/fedora has made me lazy with service/chkconfig
19:06<jkwood>taewoo: Mine doesn't.
19:06<Yaakov>taewoo: No, it doesn't indicate anything about where it came from.
19:06<taewoo>awsome... thanks jkwood and Yaakov
19:09<taewoo>google app standard - 7.298861GB / account limit
19:09<jkwood>So don't email yourself the Unreal Tournament 2004 dvd.
19:10-!-hpj [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:10<jkwood>Or the 31 Debian Lenny cds.
19:10<Pryon>or the 16834 slackware floppies
19:10<aday>lol at 31 cd's
19:10<aday>packages are out of date pretty quickly anyway, use the intertubes!
19:11<MarkJ>I remember in the mid 90's gewtting slackware on like 15 floppies
19:11<tsp>MarkJ: try freebsd on 20 or 30 floppies
19:11<MarkJ>OS/2 had quite a few too
19:12<tsp>though with two machines you only needed one floppy
19:12<aday>Mid 90's 15 floppies, yet their compression pwns anyway
19:12<aday>or 2gb to 650mb cd :)
19:12<repnop>yeah i'm glad those days are gone :P
19:15<repnop>though there were some nice patches in 2.0 to harden the kernel :)
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19:17<linbot>New news from forums: Apache configuration in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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19:25<tjfontaine>stop breaking HoopyCat!
19:27<b4>real 146m32.147s
19:27<b4>user 94m32.430s
19:27<b4>sys 34m27.234s
19:27<b4>to compile php5-extensions
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19:55<jkwood>rsdehart: <3
20:00*linbot slaps jkwood
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20:02<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:02<linbot>It's as pie! not even b4 could break it!
20:07*linbot points at b4 and laffs
20:08<orudie>mikegrb, i just cloned my linode, and i cant get to my website in the clone
20:08<orudie>through the browser
20:09<orudie>or the website is not gonna work when you clone
20:09<@caker>orudie: that's up to you to fix
20:09<@caker>you either have static networking configured, or maybe apache binding to the old IP, or something like that
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20:09<orudie>caker, yes i think static networking youre right
20:10<orudie>caker, can this linode be moved to the jpi account ?
20:10<orudie>the clone
20:10<@caker>yes, it can
20:11<orudie>you guys are the best :)
20:11<orudie>but we
20:11<orudie>but we'
20:11<orudie>we'll see
20:11<orudie>how its gonna work out
20:12<b4><pie> the thing inside the power supply
20:12<b4><pie> that's shiny
20:12*linbot points at b4 and laffs
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20:13*SelfishMan looks for a way to make linbot say that ever fifth b4 comment
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20:13<b4>SelfishMan, timer
20:13<b4>i say something a lot
20:13<b4>so you can find the perfetc timer
20:13<phennessy>poor linbot
20:13<b4>and every 5th comment
20:13<b4>ir could say !fail
20:13<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:13<encode>caker: you can haz cake on 16th June?
20:14<@caker>encode: ya
20:14<b4>his birthday is the 16th of jne?
20:14<encode>(as per my feature request in forum)
20:15<phennessy>b4, maybe you should try searching the forum
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20:15<b4>i wnat cak now.
20:15<orudie>let me check caker
20:16<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:16<taewoo>How would I remove all services + files related to PostFix?
20:16<SelfishMan>ha b4 wants teh cak
20:16<phennessy>ha ha
20:16<b4>remove it.
20:16<phennessy>apt-get remove postfix --purge
20:16<SelfishMan>apt-get purge postfix (not recommended)
20:17<b4><nixbot> Cák is a village in Vas County, Hungary.
20:17<phennessy>purge is an option?
20:17<phennessy>i lack a lot of debian fu
20:17<b4>i bvus edbeian
20:17<phennessy>i have no idea what you are saying
20:17*SelfishMan points at b4 and laffs
20:17<phennessy>please make complete sentances and read before pressing the enter key
20:18<b4>I use debian
20:18*jkwood sentances phennessy to a year of hard touch-typing
20:18<phennessy>i use ubuntu because it has regularly scheduled releases
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20:19<SelfishMan>ubuntu has apt-get purge as well
20:19<linbot>I'd like to tell you about Debian, but we have to put it to a vote first.
20:19<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
20:19<taewoo>thanks Selfish + Phennesy.. that worked
20:19<SelfishMan>double trigger!
20:19<orudie>caker, no ip is set to DHCP
20:19<orudie>caker, what can i try ?
20:19<linbot>mwalling is a noob
20:20<StevenK>Double barrelled slackware
20:20<linbot>Ubunut is a rare nut-based ubuntu varient.
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20:21<SelfishMan>!alias b4
20:21*linbot cries
20:21<b4>!alias b4
20:21<linbot>b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4. GAH THE FAILURE IS CONTAGIOUS!
20:21<b4>!rss del b4
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20:22*SelfishMan revokes b4's linbot privs
20:22<linbot>b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4. GAH THE FAILURE IS CONTAGIOUS!
20:22<b4>hai Ttech
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20:35<orudie>anyone here ?
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20:35<orudie>how to change the ip address in apache2 server ?
20:36<phennessy>look in /etc/apache2 somewhere
20:36<phennessy>you probably can put *:80 instead of the ip.. if you do name based virtual hosts
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20:43<orudie>phennessy, httpd.conf is empty, is this normal ?
20:43<orudie>phennessy, ports.conf does not have the old ip in there
20:44<phennessy>the config is spread out on many files
20:45<orudie>phennessy, i'm looking through the files
20:46<orudie>cant find where the old ip address is
20:46<orudie>i'm using ubuntu 8.10 server
20:46<orudie>looking here also
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20:59<MarkJ>orudie: I noticed that httpd.conf has nothing while more is in apache2.conf (on ubuntu)
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21:00<orudie>MarkJ, yup
21:00<MarkJ>package maintainers seem to packages things differently between various rpm and deb based systems
21:00<MarkJ>a bit annoying
21:00<orudie>searching through text matches in apache2.conf for my old ip
21:00<orudie>doesnt retrun anything
21:01<orudie>so maybe it has to do with other configs, like hostname, and fqdm ?
21:01<MarkJ>what's actually happening with the "old" IP?
21:01<MarkJ>I don't believe I've ever set that in apache
21:02<orudie>the ip address changed
21:02<orudie>do you know what i mean ?
21:02<MarkJ>yeah, though where is this raising an error?
21:02<MarkJ>apache won'
21:02<MarkJ>won't start?
21:04<aaronyy>mount ?
21:04<MarkJ>[Read-only file system]?
21:04<MarkJ>Why is /var readonly?
21:05<Peng_>/var is read-only? Including /var/log?
21:06<MarkJ>Are there any ServerName directives in apache2.conf?
21:06<orudie>MarkJ, yeah weird , its a clone
21:06<aaronyy>what's in /etc/fstab ?
21:07<orudie>MarkJ, i made a clone of my existing linode , and gave it a new ip
21:07<MarkJ>What does ifconfig give?
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21:07<aaronyy>also check /etc/udev
21:07<orudie>MarkJ, ifconfig looks fine , what do you want me to look for there
21:07<MarkJ>Making sure the IP there is correct too
21:08<MarkJ>I've yet to clone a linode myself
21:09<orudie>yeah, ip is correct
21:09<aaronyy>what's in /etc/fstab?
21:11<@caker>orudie: touch foo <-- work?
21:12<@caker>orudie: was the source Linode shut down for the duration of the clone?
21:12<orudie>caker, not for the duration, only in the beginning :(
21:12<@caker>well, there's your problem
21:12<MarkJ>I thought you couldn't restart a server during a clone
21:13<aaronyy>do fsck in finnix
21:13<orudie>caker, does this mean we have to redo ?
21:13<@caker>on the cloned linode: edit the configuration profile to boot into init=/bin/bash mode, reboot, connect with lish, run: fsck -fy /dev/xvda
21:13<MarkJ>mm thought I did a migration not a clone
21:13<@caker>wait until that's done, switch to normal runlevel and reboot
21:14<orudie>hmm, a hell lot of instructions :)
21:15<@caker>it's a couple clicks and one command .. you can do it
21:16<@caker>please don't PM me unless it's absolutely necessary, kthx
21:16*caker is a busy boy
21:17<Yaakov>m/sg caker What are you wearing?
21:17<@caker>tom == tasaro
21:17<orudie>i thought maybe tasaro doesnt want everyone to know that he is Tom
21:19<MarkJ>If you're in support I'd say that's a given it will be out there
21:19<MarkJ>Unless you're a telemarketer then you want to hide...
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21:22<@mikegrb>nobody knows my name is really steven
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21:23<MarkJ>And all this time I thought you were Daniel, huh :p
21:23<orudie>cant find where to edit the config. profile
21:25<MarkJ>Maybe stevengrb can help!
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21:26<orudie>i see where to create a new configuration
21:26<orudie>but not edit
21:26<orudie>sorry i'm at the computer from 9 am today
21:26<orudie>none stop
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21:31<orudie>caker, where do i edit config profile ?
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21:40<Pryon>orudie: click on the name of the profile
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21:48<linbot>b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4. GAH THE FAILURE IS CONTAGIOUS!
21:51<orudie>b4 are you spamming ?
21:53<repnop>gotta say i love the linode web interface :)
21:54<tjfontaine>we do too
21:54<repnop>including ability to set rdns w/o sending an email to a human is great
21:54<b4>i love the web interface too.
21:54<b4>it's like...
21:55<repnop>just wish there was a 384mb open in :/
21:56<orudie>tax relief !
21:56<repnop>360 that is
21:57<repnop>is there a waiting list you can get on?
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22:01<MarkJ>Just open a ticket
22:01<linbot>JoeK: Linode360 - 125, Linode540 - 73, Linode720 - 61, Linode1080 - 21, Linode1440 - 15, Linode2880 - 10
22:01<JoeK>Theres plenty of 360s
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22:03<repnop>JoeK: i have on in tx i want it in fremont where it doesn't list any as open :)
22:04<repnop>markJ: cool
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22:05<b4>JoeK, they wanted a 384.
22:05<JoeK>get a 360 and buy more ram
22:05<linbot>b4: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 19, Fremont720 - 10, Fremont1080 - 2, Fremont1440 - 2, Fremont2880 - 1
22:05<b4>take a 540
22:05<JoeK>i got mine in fremont
22:06<b4>and downgrade when one is available
22:06<repnop>my previous vps was 64MB of need for a 540 haha
22:06<tjfontaine>linode started at 64mb many years ago
22:06<b4>my home servers are 256.
22:06<JoeK>i recall people saying of the olden linode days
22:06<JoeK>at 32m
22:06<JoeK>32mb ram
22:06<repnop>not linode hehe
22:06<tjfontaine>onyl one person had a 32 :)
22:06<b4>and my linode is a 72
22:06*tjfontaine eyes kvandivo_
22:06<b4>my router has 32.
22:06<@caker>9, actually :)
22:07<tjfontaine>caker: who else? anyone I knew?
22:07<repnop>i switched since it looked the best at $20 price and many people didn't seem to have issues with them
22:07<b4>caker, are the 9 still customers?
22:07<JoeK>I have an issue with mine
22:07<JoeK>I have to pay for it
22:07<b4>JoeK, my parents pay for mine.
22:07<tjfontaine>you're not working hard enough on evangelism clearly
22:07<JoeK>i have enough money to pay for it for about 3 years
22:07<b4>I need a UPS.
22:08<b4>JoeK, donate some to me so I can buy a UPS.
22:08<JoeK>no -.-
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22:08<JoeK>my company pays for one of my linodes
22:08<b4>does that company sell cheese?
22:08<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:08<b4>or cake?
22:08<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:08<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:08<r3z>did someone say cake?
22:08<JoeK>cake r did
22:08<linbot>It's as pie! not even b4 could break it!
22:09<JoeK>linbot is false
22:09<orudie>anyone played portal ?
22:09*linbot points at b4 and laffs
22:09<b4>i've seen the ending video
22:09<repnop>it was an ok game
22:10<orudie>it still is
22:10<orudie>if there will be the next part i'm getting it
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22:11<JoeK>caker, put a 90% discount sale on the linode2880
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22:12<checkers>the question is, will he sell 10 times more?
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22:12<JoeK>who says this benefits him? :p
22:12<Ttech>90% discount for how long?
22:12<JoeK>Until he goes bankrupt
22:12<orudie>for 10 minutes
22:12<Ttech>That'd suck
22:12<JoeK>90% of a motnh
22:13<Ttech>if linode went bankrupt
22:13<b4>if they did...
22:13<b4>id like
22:13<JoeK>b4 your poor kthx
22:13<JoeK>why donate? just buy more linodes
22:13<b4>JoeK, I could do *something*
22:13<b4>linode has tooo many customers to go bandrut
22:13<orudie>if linode goes bankrupt we'll beat the shit out of .... you know who
22:13<b4>caker, who has line1?
22:14<b4>caker, who has linode1?
22:14<JoeK>i bet if the shut off each datacenter, then they can
22:14<b4>orudie, random gess, obama?
22:14<Ttech>orudie, I'd pick b4.
22:14*Ttech runs
22:14<JoeK>bush ruined us all !
22:14<JoeK>and Ttech
22:14<b4>JoeK, obama is writing a stimulus package for everything.
22:15<b4>if another countyr attacked the US
22:15<JoeK>It wouldnt have happened if bush didnt start it..
22:15<b4>he'd write a stimulus package for it
22:15<b4>JoeK, bush isn't to blame, congress is.
22:15<JoeK>bush didnt help
22:15<b4>they passed laaws allowing banks to give people loans w/ bad credit
22:15<b4>JoeK, true dat.
22:15<JoeK>he helped the problem get woirse
22:16<orudie>now i have total of 3 hosts, two of which are linode :)
22:16<JoeK>i have a total of 4
22:16<JoeK>2 in linode
22:16<b4>i have like...
22:16<orudie>host count race !
22:17<b4>2 dell desktop home servers.
22:17<b4>and one linode :)
22:17<orudie>i have 3 desktops with all LCD's at home
22:17<JoeK>linux on dell == fail
22:18<b4>JoeK, they run freebsd
22:18<orudie>i tried making one of my workstations a linode server, it sucked
22:18<b4>the one dell runs any OS fine.
22:18<orudie>2gb ram , dual core amd
22:18<b4>they are all older dells
22:18<orudie>it was a piece of shit compared to linode 360
22:18<orudie>i mean
22:19<orudie>a linux server
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22:19<MarkJ>Hehe, thought you were hacking linode profiles:)
22:19<orudie>yeah ok
22:21<orudie>i think it was a piece of shit mainly because of my isp , and because it was right next to me
22:21<JoeK>orudie is master linhacker
22:22<orudie>i dont have time for that
22:22<b4>JoeK, ztecwiz has some crappy music
22:22<JoeK>home hosted shoutcast server
22:22<JoeK>shoutcast uses too much resources
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22:22<tjfontaine>Ttech: why did you say wow in #oftc?
22:22<Ttech>Wrong channel.
22:23<JoeK>didnt Ttech used to idle @ my irc net? :o
22:23<Ttech>I idle everywhere...
22:24<b4>JoeK, Kottonmouth Kings - Proud To Be A Stoneris a weird song...ztec has it in his collection
22:24<JoeK>not @ my net anymore Ttech
22:24<b4>Ttech, aren't you on efnet?
22:24<Ttech>Is this going to be about where I am?
22:24<JoeK>isnt it already?
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22:24<b4>JoeK, he song isn't as bad as some of his other songs
22:24<Ttech>JoeK, It shouldn't be
22:25<JoeK>Well that dosent mean it isnt
22:25<b4>he has the chicken dancce.
22:27<b4>he has the window welcome music
22:27*booja dances
22:27<b4>he needs to delete his miley cyrus and jonas brothers stuff.
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22:31<b4>atleast he doesn't have a recording of someone reading twilight.
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22:39<linbot>New news from forums: Monitoring my IP for inclusion on SPAM Blacklists in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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22:43<hyperial>Can someone help me setting up private IP in CentOS 5.2? Can't figure it out compared to Ubuntu
22:43<hyperial>The instructions are pretty vague for CentOS
22:43<hyperial>or sysconfig type of config
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22:47<bd_>in some boot script: ip addr <private IP>/17 dev eth0 scope global
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22:47<bd_>I haven't used centos myself, so I'm not sure what bootscript is appropriate. Look for a /etc/rc.local or similar, if it's acceptable that it run late in the boot sequence
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22:57<mendel2>woop, sorry
22:57*mendel2 learns something about windows fast user switching and wifi
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23:03<orudie>where is this channel logs to ?
23:04<tjfontaine>/whois VS_ChanLog
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23:19<r3z>Man I get spam like a bitch!
23:19<r3z>I need to lock down my postfix box.
23:22<Eman>'uptime' says two logged in users
23:22<Eman>'who' says only one
23:22<mwalling>does uptime count non-interactive users?
23:23<Eman>ps uax shows only thigns running as apache and root
23:23<bd_>uptime and who both seem to read utmp for their data, at least on debian
23:23<Eman>removing apache from it does nothing
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23:25<ravsi>does anyone have any exp scripting new user creation in python?
23:26<b4>isn't adduser simple enough?
23:26-!-sja [] has quit []
23:27<ravsi>well I am trying script the creation of a new virtual host in apache2 , user and all
23:27<Eman>who -a shows
23:27<Eman> pts/0 Jan 27 11:55 4337 id=ts/0 term=0 exit=0
23:27<ravsi>you know the rule, do it once by hand
23:28<ravsi>twice you should script it
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23:32<Eman>i blasted utmp away and all is solved
23:33<r3z>What webmail frontend do you guys use?
23:33<tonyyarusso>gmail mostly...
23:33<r3z>I need one that can handle multiple domains and my postfix with mysql backend.
23:33<tonyyarusso>Roundcube will be really cool once a few features are added.
23:33<ravsi>where is roundcube at now adays?
23:34<Eman>horde webmail seems fairly decent too
23:34<tonyyarusso>squirrelmail is powerful, but ugly. Roundcube is pretty, but crippled.
23:34<tonyyarusso>never tried horde.
23:34<ravsi>its been at the "once new features" stage for a looooong time
23:34<Eman>seems to have everything you could ever ask for
23:35<tonyyarusso>egroupware is probably worth a look too
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23:51<MarkJ>tried to get horde running, spent a couple days on it... don't know why it's so complicated
23:52<MarkJ>possibly part to using a virtual mail setup, but that shouldn't be a hitter
23:52<MarkJ>Roundcube and SquirrelMail are both staples now
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