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---Logopened Sat May 02 00:00:55 2009
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00:08<sjdan>I just joined linode and installed lxadmin, but does anyone know why nothing opens when I enter the ip address?
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00:10<bloopy>Hi ... I am trying to setup apache on my linode 360 ... how many apache processes should I run ?
00:11<Peng_>bloopy: Depends on how much RAM they use and how much free RAM you have.
00:11<sjdan> I just joined linode and installed lxadmin, but does anyone know why nothing opens when I enter the ip address?
00:11<Peng_>sjdan: What distro?
00:11<djweezy>is it started?
00:11<sjdan>CentroOS as required by lxadmin
00:11<sjdan>yes it's running
00:11<linbot>CentOS has a firewall enabled by default. You can use system-config-securitylevel-tui to configure it.
00:12<sjdan>ohoh, i'm a linux nub, how would I fix that prob?
00:12<Peng_>sjdan: With "system-config-securitylevel-tui", I guess?
00:12<bloopy>thanks Peng_
00:12<sjdan>mm ty i'll try
00:13<Peng_>bloopy: Sorry, I don't use Apache so I don't have any real figures for you. :\
00:14<bloopy>no probs ... I guess it also depends on the traffic the web server will deal with ... but I am newbie and still experimenting
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00:15<Peng_>bloopy: Assume you'll get on Slashdot and configure your server to handle it. Otherwise you'll wake up to find yourself on Slashdot and your server swapping to death. :P
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00:17<amitz>Peng_: if the website is slashdotted, linode 360 won't be enough :-)
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00:17<apeiron>msg nickserv identify hunter2
00:17<apeiron>... crap
00:17<Battousai>a 360 can handle it if configured well
00:17<Battousai>enjoy your new password apeiron
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00:21<phennessy>wow, macbook air for $999
00:22<condate>you read it upside down
00:22<apeiron>(from the what-used-to-be-less-for-more department)
00:23<phennessy>this model originally went for $1700 something.. then was 1199 and now has a $200 rebate
00:23<phennessy>at (not apple)
00:24*apeiron nods, was browsing their prices today
00:24<phennessy>i would have rather gotten that then my macbook, which i got a year ago for $999 (with educational discount from apple)
00:25<phennessy>alas, no play money at the moment
00:25<apeiron>Why would you possibly want something that can do less?
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00:27<phennessy>well, the light/smallness factor is attractive
00:27<phennessy>when i use a laptop.. it's mostly a remote access device
00:27<apeiron>So get a netbook and save $500+.
00:27<phennessy>i have a nice computer at home and at work
00:28<phennessy>yea, i was considering that.. but i don't have money to spend on things like this at the moment
00:36<phennessy>but.. if i were in a position to make a purchase.. i would consider that. i like os x a lot and that is a nice price. i know people load os x on some of the dell netbooks, but i'd rather not go there.
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00:55<linbot>New news from forums: Domain name as hostname? in Linux Networking <>
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01:07<vipin>hi all
01:08<vipin>i want to setup domain in webmin
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01:08<vipin>can anyone help? its urgenr
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01:09<Peng_>vipin: A webmin channel may be more helpful.
01:09<vipin>want to setup domain in webmin
01:11<SelfishMan>< Peng_> vipin: A webmin channel may be more helpful.
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01:22<apeiron>Also, a lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on our part.
01:25<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so slow, she still hasn't finished FreedroidRPG!
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01:33*CaptObviousman waits
01:33*CaptObviousman is disappointed
01:42<erikh>hey, any rubyists in here know where I can get a 1.9.1 .deb?
01:43<bob2>debian experimental
01:43<bob2>how much do you care?
01:43<erikh>enough to want to think about putting it into production on a LTS box
01:44<erikh>1.9.1 is the stable 1.9 release.
01:44<erikh>bob2: thanks
01:44<erikh>I'll see if I can get it to play nice, or I guess roll my own if I can't
01:45<bob2>installing from source to /usr/local/ might be simpler
01:45<erikh>well, I'll package it with checkinstall
01:45<erikh>(I think that's the command.)
01:45<bob2>ah, yeah
01:46<erikh>yeah, packages are important, we're puppetizing these new boxes.
01:46<erikh>not if everything's in .deb :)
01:46<bd_>erikh: You could try rebuilding the source packages on the LTS release if just installing them doesn't work :)
01:47<erikh>(or gem)
01:47<erikh>bd_: there's a 1.9.1 source package?
01:47<bob2>hm, as long as the checkinstall package doesn't collide with any system ruby file or package names
01:47<bd_>erikh: in debian experimental, I suppose
01:47<erikh>oh, I see.
01:47<bob2>in debian experiemtal there is
01:47<erikh>yeah, we just won't install system ruby.
01:47<bob2>bootstrapping puppet will be fun ;
01:47<erikh>nothing new, really
01:48<erikh>we have sysadmins with the experience and I used to have a commit bit there.
01:48*erikh wrote the second test suite, which has since been rewritten now that puppet uses fancy stuff like rails
01:49<erikh>and databases
01:49<erikh>anyways, enough fluff. thanks a lot guys!
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01:55<erikh>feh. I'm just gonna checkinstall it
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02:01<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so pedantic, she opened a trouble ticket to request a correction to a previous yo momma joke
02:01*Peng_ abuses the Dallas DNS servers.
02:01<SelfishMan>CaptObviousman: Are you not registered with linbot?
02:01<CaptObviousman>I guess not
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03:13<bloopy>Hi ... can someone guide me in installing mod_wsgi on centos 5.3?
03:15<bloopy>I get the following error when I run ./configure =>
03:16<bob2>you need the apache dev package
03:16<bloopy>how do I install that?
03:17<bloopy>I've already installed apache ...
03:17<SelfishMan>irgeek: You awake?
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03:17<bob2>apache2.2-dev? I dunno what centos calls it
03:18<bob2>I bet googling the error will show you
03:18<bloopy>thatnks ... will check it out
03:19<bob2>yum provides axps
03:19<SelfishMan>It's not axps anymore though
03:23<bloopy>I thought this would install everything necessary
03:23<bloopy>sudo yum groupinstall 'Development Tools'
03:24<Internat>thats the stuff needed to build things
03:24<bob2>isn't this a server?
03:24<Internat>not the stuff that the stuff you want to build needs
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03:25<bloopy>oh ... my mistake ... yeah this is supposed to be a server
03:25<bloopy>is there anything as 'groupremove' or something to uninstall this stuff
03:25<SelfishMan>heh...I think linbot crashed
03:25<Internat>your going to need devtools
03:25<Internat>so you probably dont want to uninstall that
03:26<Internat>guess it diec
03:27<SelfishMan>bloopy: The error from not finding axps is because under apache2 it is axps2. You can recompile apache2 with the --with-axps (or is it --without-axps2) configure switch to rename it
03:27<SelfishMan>When was the last time a staff-type-person was around?
03:28<bd_>22:45 EDT, tasaro
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03:29<bloopy>@selfishman I actually don't want to compile and make anything as I don't want to break anything on CeEntOS ...
03:29<bloopy>linux newbie here
03:30<SelfishMan>then update the script it use axps2. The fact that it is pointing to axps makes me think it isn't apache2 compatible
03:30<bloopy>I chose CentOS because it seemed like a good platform for a web server
03:31<SelfishMan>I switched from CentOS to Ubuntu because I was tired of recompiling things from source to get the packages I needed
03:31<SelfishMan>by the way ubuntu has the mod_wsgi package for apache2 in binary form as libapache2-mod-wsgi
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03:33<bloopy>:) ... I focused more on stability then bleeding edge ... but, yeah sometimes not finding the software you want through yum can be a real pain ...
03:33<bloopy>like now
03:34<SelfishMan>In my experience, compiling quirky packages from source is a pain to maintain. I'd rather have binary packages that will upgrade all the other related components as required
03:35<bloopy>yeah, I agree
03:38<SelfishMan>Anyway, back to what I saw from your original problem, just symlink axps2 to axps
03:40<bloopy>how can I chek to make sure I have axps2?
03:40<SelfishMan>`whereis axps2`
03:41<bloopy>just gives me line
03:41<SelfishMan>you don't have the apache2 dev package installed then
03:41<bloopy>for whereis axps
03:43<bloopy>thanks bob ... that seems to be available
03:46<bloopy>ah ... this time no errors
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03:49<bloopy>make is now spewing out errors ... (God, I miss windows!)
03:50<bob2>really, centos is a poor choice then
03:50<bob2>if it was ubuntu or debian, you'd be done in 30 seconds and having a beer
03:52<bloopy>na, I think I'd still be stuck ... its also about how much you know ...
03:53<bob2>not really
03:53<bob2>like SelfishMan said, the package is there - sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-wsgi, done
03:54<bob2>then you'd be on to configuring whatever python app it is
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03:59<bloopy>what versionof mod_wsgi is thaat package?
04:00<bob2>who cares?
04:00<bob2>it's one that works with the version of apache
04:00<bob2>er, the version of apache that is also in debian or ubuntu
04:00<bob2>do you need a specific version of mod_wsgi?
04:02<erikh>meh; ended up cheating with stow
04:02<erikh>debian packaging is a pain in my ass.
04:03<bob2>how so?
04:03<erikh>debhelper likes to pretend it worked and generate 41k .debs for giant packages
04:03<bob2>? ruby probably does produce lots of packages
04:04<erikh>I'm sure there is some magic dh_* concoction that I don't know about that will build the source tarball right
04:04<erikh>stow is easier and solves the install problem, and checkinstall fails because of ruby's dependency on itself for the install process.
04:05<erikh>I'm sure dh meets lots of people's needs; I'm just not willing to invest the time to learn it for one package.
04:06<bob2>of course it does
04:06<erikh>that said, arch packaging is about 10 million times simpler and solves the same problem
04:06<erikh>(arch linux)
04:06<bob2>not really
04:06<bob2>checkinstall is more like arch packaging
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04:24<bd_>erikh: did the source package from experimental not build?
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07:04<[Nuno]>I'm triyng do add a new linode to my account but I think there is a problem
07:05<[Nuno]>firefox says "the browser isn't redirecting correctly"
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07:11<ella>OK not a linode quesiton, but hey when are they :)
07:11<ella>Does anyone know how to easily extract False Positives from a SPAMASSASSIN probably-spam file?
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07:22<bob2>if you could do that, why wouldn't SA do it and not put them in probably-spam? ;)
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07:31<ella>Wel SA seems to have bee over zelous about some email I've been sent and placed them in probably-spam
07:31<ella>I need to extract them, but my probably-spam file contains 14,000 messages and I'm not going to mail -x them :)
07:32<ella>I just want to do something like: getmail -F -f filename
07:32<ella>where -F means "From "
07:32<ella>where -F means "^From "
07:33*ella grumbles that google is becoming more and more useless
07:34<Nivex>s/google/the internet/
07:34<Nivex>there, fixed that for you
07:34<bob2>hm? can't you just move them out with mutt?
07:35<ella>Google is NOT the internet !
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07:35<ella>can't say I['ve ever used mutt
07:35<Nivex> no, but google is an aggregate of the resource of the internet
07:35<ella>Yes but google is not behing honest with it's results any more
07:35<bob2>ah, mutt's great for that sort of thing
07:36<ella>I don't have mutt on my linode :)
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07:39<ella>bob2 want to give me a 60 second lesson in mutt :)
07:40<bob2>install mutt, 'mutt -f /path/to/mbox_or_maildir'
07:40<ella>can I do this from a remote mutt?
07:40<bob2>then you can search using / or limit (cut down the message list to only display those matching a search criter) with l
07:40*ella grumbles about installing mutt but ok
07:40<bob2>remote as in ssh or remote as in imap?
07:41<ella>so / will work on From header?
07:41<bob2> /~fuser@domain
07:42<bob2>~t = to, ~s = subject
07:42<bob2>~f = from
07:42<bob2>then T to tag (mark) a message
07:42<bob2>then ;s (semicolon, s) to save to another folder
07:42<bob2>or ;b to bounce
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07:43<ella>Oooh this is nasty
07:43*ella vowes to archive spamassassin mail monthly in future
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07:45<ella>Um /~f*@domainname gave me an error
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07:46<bob2>ah, it's a regexp
07:46<bob2> /~f@domainname should work
07:46<bob2>or .*@domain
07:46<ella>Yes it does
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07:46<ella>so now how do I get it to 'vanish' all the other messages and just list the matches?
07:46*ella thinks: select * where from='@domain' is required :)
07:46<bob2>oh, use lf@domain rather than /
07:47<ella>that shoudl be l~f@domain :)
07:48<ella>Tag all?
07:48<ella>Oh easy :)
07:48<ella>Just Shift-T
07:49<ella>Ok save all?
07:51<ella>No not saving all
07:51<linbot>New news from forums: DNS Broken in Feature Request/Bug Report <> || IPv6 in Feature Request/Bug Report <> || Become an internal cPanel license reseller in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
07:52<ella>Just says mailbox is unchanged
07:53<bob2>what did you change?
07:53<ella>I didn't change anyting, I have filtered all the messages I want
07:53<bob2>what did you want to do with them? just read them?
07:53<ella>all 80 of them, now I want to save them, extract them, forward them, whatever :)
07:54<ella>Dump them on the end of my mailqueue :)
07:55<bob2>I guess ;b to bounce them (; = do the next command on all the currently tagged messages)
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07:56<bob2>or you can save them to a new mbox with 'c' and do whatever with that
07:56<ella>Yup :)
07:57<ella>THanks heaps :)
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07:58<ella>Yup, 80 messages downloading, all messed up :)
07:58<yhager>How can I use the new additional space in my plan?
07:58<ella>As a new volume, or expand your existing one
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07:59<yhager>ella: can I just resize it using the web panel? is it safe?
07:59<ella>I had no issues, but there is always a risk
07:59<ella>You still need to reboot though
08:00*ella smiles - 40 messages left to download
08:00<yhager>luckily I also have the backups beta plan.. linode makes everything so darn easy
08:00<ella>Lucky you!
08:00*ella grumbles about backup beta
08:01<yhager>except they must find a way to keep the uptime during reboots :P
08:01<ella>well the point of a reboot is to reset the uptime!
08:01<ella> 22:01:39 up 213 days, 12:29, 9 users, load average: 0.60, 0.42, 0.38
08:02<yhager>ella: ooh.. I have a lousy 58 days, but I will never get anything like that if I have to reboot every three months :)
08:05<ella>OIY! HoopyCat Spoke Poking me!
08:05<ella>yhager that's why I avoid rebooting every three months
08:05<ella>like NYE when *THEY* all told me to reboot cause I had a hung screen console!
08:05<ella>I found a way it, killed the screen and haven't reboot :)
08:06<ella>Gotta love webmin :)
08:06<yhager>ella: oh, I had that too and rebooted.. didn't know I can kill the screen..
08:06<yhager>Anyhow, an uptime is a nice to have, but definitely not a goal by itself.
08:06*ella scribles all Bob2's training into a quik 'mutt howto' and drops it in her 'quick howtos' directory
08:07<ella>my record was 3285 :)
08:07<ella>that's days :)
08:08<ella>I had to decomission the server - the hard drive was dead :) But as it wa sa DNS server all the data was in memory :) No one noticd the crashed drive for, we suspect, 2 years :)
08:08<yhager>ella: wow :)
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08:10<ella>Now if only children needed to be feed on such loengthy uptimes!
08:10<yhager>hmm.. it seems you can't take a snapshot backup when the linode is down..
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08:12<Mr-Metz>hi guys can anyone help me here, i would like to know how do i setup a domain name i've registered in dreamhost to work with my linode, i've searched all over the place for answers before i ask here but im completely lost!
08:15<bob2>Mr-Metz: have you ever used linux before?
08:15<Mr-Metz>nop, installed it for the first time im my pc 3 days ago
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08:17<bob2>Mr-Metz: it's going to be a very steep but hopefully fun learning curve - good luck!
08:18<Mr-Metz>tks m8
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08:31<yhager>ella: disk resizing went smooth.. only my uptime is now 14 minutes ;)
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08:32<HoopyCat>yhager: i've done a snapshot with my linode not running... i remember this because the boot job remained in queue until the snapshot was finished :-)
08:33<yhager>HoopyCat: well, I tried this twice, and it didn't work.. I wanted to quickly get back online, so I have stopped trying..
08:34<HoopyCat>yhager: doing a snapshot while the linode isn't running may, indeed, hinder one's quickness of backing onlinely
08:34<Mr-Metz>is I/O of 500 a lot ?
08:36<yhager>I just needed to shut down, in order to resize the image. I then thought - oh, why not take a snapshot, which didn't work, so I went on and resized without the snapshot. Going back online just for the snapshot will have took longer
08:36<HoopyCat>yhager: it backsuped overlynight anyway
08:36<HoopyCat>bbl, more coffee (brain's grammar center still asleep)
08:37<yhager>exactly, and I also have my own backup, and I read that disk resizing is quite safe most of the time.. :)
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08:37<yhager>as long as the coffee is freshly roasted.. I'm all for it :)
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08:45<Klark>is there a problem with the DNS Manager? It's reporting errors for domains that I've not changed.
08:45<bob2>are they slave domains?
08:46<Klark>I see others are having problems.
08:46<bob2>file a support ticket I guess - ain't seen a staff member about for a while
08:46<Klark>thanks. ticket filed. :)
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09:10<HoopyCat>yhager: i buy a pound at a time and grind in small batches (to cover a couple days, since i'm a little headachy in the morning); current batch was roasted april 23 at and ground thursday, i think
09:14<HoopyCat>yhager: ideally, i do find minimizing the roast->grind->brew->drink time to be key to a good cup of coffee. practically, there's a limit to how much i can expect to accomplish before my first cup of coffee at 5-oh-god-o'clock :-)
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09:23<kruegdude>I have a question regading signing up for service.
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09:24<kruegdude>And was wondering if anyone could help me?
09:24<HoopyCat>any docsis heads around? my cable modem is bein' all weird and stuff, and my docsis experience is limited to a glossary:
09:24<HoopyCat>kruegdude: ask away :-)
09:26<kruegdude>I attempted to signup via Firefox 3.0.9 (on Gentoo linux) and when I pressed the "Continue" button on the 3rd page Firefox reported a "Redirect loop" and stopped the process. I have cookies enabled.
09:26<kruegdude>Any suggestion?
09:28<HoopyCat>hmm, saw someone mentioned a similar thing overnight too...
09:28<fuzzie>someone else was reporting that earlier.
09:29<HoopyCat>caker: still around?
09:30<Peng_>caker goes to get 1 hour of sleep and everything starts exploding. :D
09:31<kruegdude>I thought it might be the noscript add-on but I disabled that and retried with the same result.
09:31<HoopyCat>kruegdude: when did you last try it?
09:31<kruegdude>About 10 mins ago.
09:32<HoopyCat>kruegdude: ok. there was another small tangentally-related issue that was corrected 'bout 20 minutes ago, but that's probably not related :-)
09:33<kruegdude>:-( I can always try again. Do you think it might be browser related? I can always try something other than FF.
09:34<Peng_>Well, it wouldn't hurt to try, but Firefox is certainly supposed to work.
09:35<HoopyCat>kruegdude: i'd drop an e-mail to just to be sure... at least one staffer has been confirmed awake (but not yet on IRC), but that will definitely catch someone
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09:36<HoopyCat>kruegdude: actually, if you could try it in IE6 or Netscape Navigator, they're the only officially-supported browsers ;-)
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09:36<kruegdude>heh heh.
09:37<HoopyCat>kruegdude: btw, 3.0.10 is out too, and i *think* there's a security somethingorother...
09:38<kruegdude>Cool, I'll emerge that today then.
09:38<kruegdude>I tried Konqueror and it gave me the same error.
09:38<HoopyCat>(the HoopyCat guarantee: if i can't fix your problem, i can at least give you other problems)
09:40<HoopyCat>kruegdude: yeaaah, sounds like it's not you or your browser... fling an e-mail to service@ and if i see someone awake while i'm at the keyboard, i'll poke 'em
09:41<kruegdude>Just sent the email.
09:41<kruegdude>It'll be from if that helps.
09:42<kruegdude>And thanks for the help.
09:44<HoopyCat>np... if you don't hear anything, try back in a couple hours... it's a weekend and i believe it's sunny outside so catching people on IRC will be a little spotty, but the e-mail should do the trick
09:44<kruegdude>Cool, it's rainy here in the Dallas area. Think I'll go slosh in the mud at Scarborough Faure and try again later.
09:44<HoopyCat>(speaking of which, going to mow the lawn real quick, just to piss mwalling off)
09:45<Peng_>HoopyCat: Why would that piss mwalling off?
09:45<phennessy>it's pretty rainy in these parts
09:45<HoopyCat>Peng_: and
09:45<phennessy>mwalling fails at lawn mowing
09:46<HoopyCat>speaking of which, my lawnmower does have a loose bolt, and i do have the socket set out already... i see improvement! bbl
09:46<Peng_>HoopyCat: I see.
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09:49<Lasiaf>what does my checkzone didnt like something, has no 0 SOA and no NS records means?
09:50<Peng_>Lasiaf: THe DNS manager is kinda screwed up right now.\
09:50<Lasiaf>for everyone?
09:50<Peng_>D'oh, two typos. I'm okay with one, but... :(
09:50<Peng_>Lasiaf: Well, at least a couple other people have had the same issue when modifying stuff. There's a thread on the forum.
09:51<Lasiaf>alright thanks, is it gonna affect adding a subdomain too? i added one yesterday and everyone cant see it yet
09:51<Peng_>I have no idea.
09:51<Peng_>Lasiaf: Does the subdomain report the same error?
09:52<Lasiaf>yes all my domains report that error
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10:03<silverblade>Where do I find the typical distro sizes page on ?
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10:17<fapestniegd>sliverblade: is that for what you're looking?
10:17<silverblade>yes, thanks :)
10:17<silverblade>why is gentoo so huge? :/
10:18<acton>that's what she said
10:18<silverblade> my package failed to emerge?
10:19<fapestniegd>silverblade: probably because you need all the compilers and devel libs to run gentoo
10:19<silverblade>maybe, but i have gcc etc. installed on Ubuntu anyway. actually i guess i should check out how big my current linode (w/ ubuntu) is
10:19<ella>cause Gentoo was fed on lots of fish
10:21<fapestniegd>the smallest linode plan gives you 16GB, so using 10% of that for OS shouldn't be too bad
10:21<fapestniegd>unless you're really trying to squeeze it in to a tight fit.
10:21*fapestniegd looks at acton and waits
10:25<silverblade>heh :p
10:25<silverblade>I already have a linode, but its running ubuntu and im starting to go off it
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10:31<Mr-Metz>do i need to setup a reverse dns to make my work at linode?
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10:31<acton>reverse dns? just set the nameservers to linode and add it with your dns manager
10:33<Mr-Metz>how do i set my to linode ?
10:33<acton>depends on what regestrar you use
10:35<Mr-Metz>ho god im so confused...registrar? like what dreamhost?
10:36<acton>don't use a dreamhost domain on linode. you might infect them with something
10:37<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: for the use of your domain, you pay a company an annual fee of ~$10/year or so
10:38<Peng_>Mr-Metz: You only *need* to set up reverse DNS if you actually need it, e.g. for a mail server. Of course, it's a good idea anyway.
10:38<Mr-Metz>i already payed dreamhost the fee i have my domain registed since april
10:39<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: will let you look up who it is... for instance, if you look up, it'll show Registrar: DIRECTI INTERNET SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD. D/B/A PUBLICDOMAINREGISTRY.COM and Referral URL:
10:39<Mr-Metz>i was with dreamhost for 7 days hated the service and registered with i have almost everything setup here including firewall etc but...i just cant find a way to get my to work with my linode the only way i cant get to my page is by ip...
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10:40<LadyNikon>Mr-Metz: i had to set up via my domain
10:40<Mr-Metz>im a linux noob i know still gb of information to learn but i just wanted this at least to work lol
10:41<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: welp, if that's the case, then dreamhost has control of your domain... you'll probably want to transfer it to another registrar (see for the most popular ones by numbers, and for the most popular ones by linode users)
10:41<supine>Mr-Metz: if you tell us the domain we might be able to help you more...
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10:44<Mr-Metz>the domain is
10:45<HoopyCat>Registrar: NEW DREAM NETWORK, LLC
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10:46<charlie>A nice registrar (I think) is
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10:47<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: worth noting is that the losing registrar can deny a transfer request within 60 days of the domain creation date; your domain was created april 15, so if dreamhost wants to be a dick about it, you're probably stuck there for another month and a half
10:47<charlie>They're mainly a hosting company (and they're fairly good at that if you're only hosting a small PHP site or whatever), but they also do domain registrations, and I like it because they have a nice clean interface, with a DNS manager (which is a little lacking, but still okay) integrated in
10:48<HoopyCat> <--- do not operate heavy machinery while reading
10:48<Mr-Metz>dreamhost allow me Set DNS info to host my domain ill probably will need something like
10:49<Mr-Metz>yeah they just said to me since i no longe have their hosting account im not able do use the dns menu etc... only edit the dns records
10:49<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: ah, if they'll let you set your nameservers, that would work nicely. (linode provides nameservers, too -- check the DNS Manager tab)
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10:49<Mr-Metz>im going to see that now
10:49<HoopyCat>(actually, policy-wise, i think they have to let you set your nameservers)
10:50<Z3e0>hey guys i can't seem to connect to my server is there issues on fremont54
10:50<Mr-Metz>should i, Import a zone from a remote nameserver or Add a new domain zone ?
10:50<Z3e0>im able to get in with the Lish shell but not by ip
10:51<Z3e0>the server looks fine onec i logged in im able to ping out
10:51<charlie>Mr-Metz: Add a new domain zone
10:51<charlie>I doubt dreamhost allows transfers ;-)
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10:51<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: try importing the zone and see if that works... if it does, it's the easiest, but it usually won't.
10:52<Mr-Metz>no it doesnt
10:52<Mr-Metz>so i must set a master right?
10:52<HoopyCat>Z3e0: hmmm... pastebin the output of "route -n". the host is probably fine, there's probably just something weird with the network config
10:52<charlie>Yeah, you want to create the master at linode's DNS
10:52<Z3e0> U 0 0 0 eth0
10:52<Z3e0> UG 0 0 0 eth0
10:52<Mr-Metz>ok and what about the SOA ?
10:53<HoopyCat>Z3e0: <--- pastebin :-) can you ping ?
10:53<charlie>I always put my technical email address there, but I would ask HoopyCat on that one because he always has the answers
10:53<Z3e0>yes i can
10:53<Mr-Metz>so this can be my personal e-mail i see
10:54<HoopyCat>charlie,Mr-Metz: i use, but you shouldn't. ;-)
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10:54<HoopyCat>Z3e0: can you... nevermind
10:54<charlie>HoopyCat: We have a forwarder that forwards to staff that can actually handle technical problems, is that fine?
10:55<HoopyCat>charlie: i don't think i've ever, in my life, EVER, ONCE, AT ALL received or sent an e-mail to that address
10:55<charlie>what exactly is SOA for?
10:55<charlie>exactly what I think it's for?
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10:56<MajSirAshleyStJohnGigglesworth>charlie: like the unique African Baobab tree, SOA is the Source Of Authority statement in your bind configuration
10:56<HoopyCat>charlie: the SOA record is Start Of Authority, and specifies a bunch of useful parameters for the zone, like the serial number, the negative caching ttl, etc... and, for reasons that probably made sense at the time, an e-mail address
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10:56<Mr-Metz>so the only thing i should do know is set my dns records at dreamhost to
10:56<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: and,, and
10:56<charlie>ah, okay :P
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10:56<Mr-Metz>hum ok
10:57<LikeTheUniqueAfricanBaobabTree>Much better.
10:57<HoopyCat>charlie: section 3.3.13, "RNAME: A <domain-name> which specifies the mailbox of the person responsible for this zone."
10:57<Mr-Metz>if this works im gona kill my self for being here stressing with the machine, almost 4 hours.
10:58<charlie>ah okay
10:59<HoopyCat>charlie: other RFCs probably define "mailbox" and "person", but if it gets to a pair of human eyes or at least gets an auto-response with information on how to get human eyes involved, i think it meets the spirit of the RFC
11:01<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: linode has four nameservers, one in each datacenter... using all four minimizes suck, although you need, at a minimum, two. but use all available, up to a point. (that point is somewhere in the vicinity of 12, i believe...)
11:01<Mr-Metz>it says changed with the dns records sometimes can takes days to take i believe i wont see any changes today
11:01<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: did you set up the records on linode's side?
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11:02<Mr-Metz>i guess...i have a list with till ns4 and subdomain set to may ttl default
11:02<charlie>I've never had it taken 24 hours or more for DNS stuff to change
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11:02<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: never underestimate how quickly DNS changes can occur when you aren't prepared for them
11:02<LadyNikon>whats the best way to update debian if you havent done it in awhile
11:03<LadyNikon>apt-get update or apt-get upgrade?
11:03<HoopyCat>LadyNikon: yes
11:03<HoopyCat>LadyNikon: (both, in that order; one updates your list o' packages, the other actually initiates an upgrade)
11:04<LadyNikon>thanks hoopycat :)
11:05<LadyNikon>i got a message that says no public key available.. you may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems..
11:05<LadyNikon>isnt that what i just did?
11:05<HoopyCat>... how long has it been since you updated/upgraded?
11:06<LadyNikon>lets see..
11:06<LadyNikon>I got sick..
11:07<LadyNikon>then got pregnant and sick..
11:07<LadyNikon>last root login was may 2nd
11:07<laser`>Which is today
11:07<LadyNikon>oh crap
11:08<LadyNikon>i just paied attention to the last login part
11:08<HoopyCat>you might have to grab the debian gpg key manually... not a big deal, i just can't remember the command off the top of my head and i gotta run
11:08<Mr-Metz>well i dont even know if it worked but i do understand a little bit more how things work
11:08<Mr-Metz>thanks a lot!
11:09<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: sorry for the tour of the internet sausage factory ;-) bbl
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11:20<LadyNikon>mikegrb: do you know how do i get a new gpg key from debian?
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11:21<Karrde>apt-get install debian-archive-keyring, and take the untrusted package?
11:21<Karrde>or if you google the exact nokey error you're getting you'll find some combo of gpg and apt-key commands
11:22<LadyNikon>yeah i started doing that after i typed out the question.
11:23<linbot>New news from forums: New Account Creation Problem in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
11:24<Syrogen>erm, if i messed up my mysql-server. what should i do?
11:24<Karrde>fix it?
11:24<Karrde>IOW, that question does not have enough information to get a meaningful answer
11:25<Peng_>caker: If you don't mind, what was the redirect problem caused by?
11:26<@caker>something filled a partition on the webserver .. still hunting it down
11:26<Peng_>Oh, nice.
11:26<Peng_>...How does that cause a redirect loop?
11:26<@caker>the error page errored :)
11:28<linbot>New news from forums: [Solved] New Account Creation Problem in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
11:28<Peng_>caker: You know the DNS issue is still ongoing, right?
11:29<Peng_>caker: Fun morning, huh? :D
11:29<@caker>it's fixed now, but thanks
11:29<@caker>it only affected zones that had changes this morning, and old data was still being served.
11:29<Karrde>what's this DNS issue?
11:29<Peng_>Okie dokie.
11:30<Karrde>I was typing a picket fence of text about how I was failing at setting Linode as a DNS slave for a new domain
11:30<Karrde>but if it's known..
11:31<Karrde>so I'll wait more
11:31<Peng_>Karrde: Well you my not be affected by that issue.
11:31<Karrde>I just started trying last night (EDT)
11:33<Karrde>I assume I can test that it's working with "host" (fron my Linode)? because I get the A record for the already-working domain and "refused" for the new one
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11:37<Peng_>Karrde: fwiw, you can do that command from anywhere.
11:38<Peng_>It would be kind of bad if you couldn't. How would the DNS work? :D
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11:40<Syrogen>erm can i delete /usr/bin/mysqladmin < if i mess up?
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11:41<Karrde>what would that do?
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12:07<silverblade>OK so, BSD. If I were to attempt pvgrub/bsd on a linode, which bsd should i use?
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12:24<Peng_>silverblade: Do research about how each one works on Xen.
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12:25<silverblade>ok - which xen does linode use? (ie version)
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12:26<silverblade>yeah i saw that, thats for netbsd. i was considering freebsd and wondered which one to go for
12:27<@caker>silverblade: 3.x, non-hvm
12:27<HoopyCat>silverblade: if you catch bd_ around, he'd probably be the one to ask
12:27<silverblade>caker - freebsd's site mentions it needs > 3.0.3
12:29<@caker>that'd be us
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12:30<silverblade>I recall hearing something about SMP not being supported with a linode/pv-grub/bsd combination, is that true?
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12:30<@caker>it's not because of us, it's because BSD doesn't do SMP under Xen
12:30<silverblade>yeah i couldnt remember which part was the problem
12:31<silverblade>though on the freebsd wiki article im reading it does mention that "SMP support is working" so hey, that might work after all
12:31<HoopyCat>Try It And See! (tm)
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12:32<silverblade>i may well do that
12:36<Karrde>so I am trying to set up Linode as a DNS slave with FreeDNS ( as the master. I've done this once before with another domain, but I think I'm missing something. In FreeDNS, I've gone to "Edit Secondaries" and added ns[1-4] I have also gone to "Edit SOA" and allowed AXFR to world (to note, my other domain does not have axfr to world enabled, but I don't know if that's "ever" or "anymore"). Then, in Linode I went to Add a ...
12:36<Karrde>... new Domain Zone and added the domain as a slave. I then waited a few hours, and it's still not working. Do I need to add ns[1-4] in my domain registrar first?
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12:38<@caker>Karrde: no ... as long as you specified the masters correctly on our end, and those masters are allowing the xfer, it should work
12:38<@caker>Karrde: what's the zone, and I'll relay what we're seeing on our end
12:39<@caker>you sure?
12:40<Karrde>yes, why?
12:40<@caker>it's not in our DB
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12:40<Karrde> slave 2009-05-02 04:06:35 PM n/a Edit Remove ACTIVE
12:40<@caker> !=
12:41<Karrde>thank you.
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12:47<acton>metaperl: noone fucking cusses here. like what the fuck dude.
12:51<Karrde>sweet, we've moved from "refused" to "server failure" .. progress!
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12:51<Karrde>and now its not failing
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12:52<Karrde>well, that was easy and quick once we got past the user error :(
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13:00<v0lksman>hrm...I just got threshold e-mails for an event that happened 12 hours ago...headers claim it's not a mail server delay....thought you may want to know
13:00<Twayne>what causes a loop?
13:00<HoopyCat>Karrde: pay for the linode, get the second pair of eyes free! :-)
13:00<Twayne>cant figure out what i did wrong in the vhost
13:01<Twayne>i have 301 d properly but that one wont
13:01<v0lksman>Twayne: most likely a rewrite or something
13:01<HoopyCat>v0lksman: accidentally the whole / free space last night; i'm guessing it's probably related
13:01<acton>it accidentally what?
13:02<HoopyCat>Twayne: pastebin that beautiful vhostness
13:02<rsdehart>acton: the whole /free space
13:02<rsdehart>/ free space, rather
13:03<v0lksman>pparadis: congrats on the new job! :)
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13:04<HoopyCat>Twayne: just as an aside, how'd you get the sent messages from my cellphone to display on the web browser? it's not an internet-enabled phone and the bluetooth is turned off
13:05<HoopyCat>Twayne: line 38 should probably be more like line 35
13:06<Twayne>HoopyCat: what do you mean about your cell phone?
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13:06<HoopyCat>Twayne: is displaying random stuff sent from my cellphone
13:07<Twayne>lol, u mean u've used alot of these ;P
13:08<Twayne>HoopyCat: it looks to me line 38 is like line 35.. what am i missing?
13:09<HoopyCat>No idea where the hell I am but if the bush doesn't get out of my way soon i will bet the cap out of it CB: 585-xxx-yyyy To: Mom Sent: Apr 30 21:33 Delivered: Apr 30 21:33
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13:10<HoopyCat>Twayne: if the Host: matches ^drunktextsfromlastnight\.com$, redirect to$1
13:10<Twayne>i dunno it got posted to the site
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13:10<HoopyCat>Twayne: note that lines 32 and 35 look exact, but line 38 is wrong :-)
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13:11<HoopyCat>Twayne: wait, you mean this is public? wtf, i was trying to keep the broken nose and the gay goat on the dl
13:12<Twayne>lol, i'm gonna submit that now ;P
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13:13<HoopyCat>Twayne: changing line 38 to RewriteRule ^/?(.*)$$1 [R=301] should clear it up
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13:14<Twayne>oh, i got ya.. i feel dumb now
13:14<HoopyCat>Twayne: that's ok, everyone's got the stupids today
13:14<HoopyCat>Twayne: if it makes you feel better, i put my underwear on backwards thursday morning
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13:15*HoopyCat is not ashamed to admit his failures
13:15<HoopyCat>Twayne: yep! works now
13:15<Twayne>:) thanks
13:15<rHn>whats the name of that file that can be set to run after finished booting?
13:16<Twayne>hoopycat, what do you think of the site?
13:16<Twayne>u like?
13:16<HoopyCat>rHn: /etc/rc.local ?
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13:16<HoopyCat>Twayne: most amusing... i will keep an eye on it
13:16<rHn>ah, thats it, thanks HoopyCat
13:16<Twayne>Thanks hoopycat, help spread the word if ya can
13:17<ella>Twayne - Um - er?
13:17<ella>So how do people send the runk texts?
13:17<ella>cAuse if they are drunk it might be too complex for them!
13:17<amitz>sorry if this is a stupid question but what will be the dns server I need to write down when registering my domain?
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13:18<ella>amitz ar eyou hosting on Linodes DNS or runing your own?
13:18<Twayne>i've done it many times
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13:18<HoopyCat>amitz:, for integer X in interval [1,4]
13:19<EAS>I just noticed I set up my existing linodes as 32bit (i686) systems. Anyone know why I did that? :)
13:19<HoopyCat>ella: i think it relies on there being more drunk on the sender's side than the receiver's side
13:19<EAS>Or, a better question, any disadvantage to going with 64-bit?
13:19<HoopyCat>EAS: because you've only got a small amount of memory and your application doesn't require 64-bit :-)
13:19<ella>I guess I've never been drunk
13:20<guinea-pig>it takes too much focus to type a text out...
13:20<HoopyCat>EAS: all things being equal, a 64-bit environment will generally use more memory than a 32-bit environment
13:20<ella>EAS cause you thought that by running 32 bits you'd get twice the run!
13:20<amitz>I'm hosting on linode. You mean I can use one of the, or create a dns service and write down my ip address as the dns server when registering domain?
13:20<ella>Twayne I've just advertised your site on my facebook wall :) Look out! MOst people I know get drunk several times a day!
13:20<ella>amitz in your control panel is a DNS manager
13:20<guinea-pig>most people i know never sober up!
13:21<ella>amitz, you can use that or you can run your own DNS progam on your own server
13:21<HoopyCat>amitz: you'll want to use all four of the ns1 through if you're adding domains through the DNS Manager
13:21<EAS>thanks, HoopyCat and, um, ella :)
13:21<ella>Welcome EAS *smirk*
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13:23<HoopyCat>amitz: and yeah, you can set up your own DNS servers, but you need at least two and they should be reasonably geographically redundant
13:23<Peng_>amitz: You could run your own master DNS server and use as slaves.
13:23<EAS>I guess if I end up needing more than 2-3GB per node, I'm probably going to end up setting up a dedicated server, so, for now, 32bit it is
13:23<Peng_>EAS: 32-bit is basically the default on Linode.
13:23<amitz>ella: I see about the 2 dns server in
13:23<Peng_>amitz: That's completely different!
13:24<EAS>amitz, what do you gain by running your own DNS?
13:24<Peng_>amitz: The servers listed there are recursive servers. They're the ones you put in your /etc/resolv.conf so you can use DNS as a client.
13:24<Peng_>amitz: are authoritative, the servers you give to your registrar.
13:25<EAS>thanks, Peng_ . I was just setting up a new linode, and I didn't even remember considering hte 32 vs 64 bit question previously
13:25<amitz>I think I need to read some more to digest what you guys said. But I see about being the authoritative DNS I give to registrar.
13:25<HoopyCat>EAS: linode does have plans larger than the 2880 available, by the way, if you don't want to go dedi when you get to that point
13:26<amitz>already read about authoritative DNS :-)
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13:27<EAS>Yeah, HoopyCat, but by the time I need more than 2880, I think I'll be on the verge of outgrowing VPSs.
13:27*ella wonders how one can outgrow a vps :)
13:27<amitz>EAS: basically I want to have multiple domain refers to my linode. The second thing is to have,,etc callable.
13:27<ella>amitz set them up in your linode dns manager :)
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13:28<ella>Unless you are die hard like me and have to run your own bind :)
13:28<HoopyCat>EAS: or else you'll be at the point of needing to refactor to spread across multiple systems instead of one big one. :-)
13:29<amitz>ella: you mean reverse dns setting in linode manager?
13:29<HoopyCat>amitz: the "DNS Manager" tab at the top lets you add domains so they'll be served by, etc
13:30<ella>Ahhh no, cause you can only reverse DNS to one IP address
13:30<ella>What HoopyCat said
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13:30<amitz>HoopyCat: oh, I see, I missed that tab.
13:30<HoopyCat>scroll up... scroll up... keep looking up... up... alrighty, now to the right... stop! no, back to the left... there it is, right there
13:31<amitz>HoopyCat: :-)
13:32<EAS>HoopyCat & Ella. We expect to have some very large indexes we need to keep in memory, when we get there, we will definitely be on multiple boxes, but we aren't necessarily going to start partitioning the database & indexes over multiple machines if we can avoid it.
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13:40<acton>I'm looking to start a bit of work hosting certain types of game servers for people. It requires that they have ssh. I'd like to do something to prevent spam, dos attacks etc. Is there something I could look in to that would do that?
13:40<HoopyCat>EAS: yeah, there's no substitute for having it in memory :-) random I/O is slow as heck, no matter how fast and unloaded your disks are...
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13:41<HoopyCat>acton: inbound or outbound?
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13:42<acton>outbound. I have iptables for inbound
13:43<ella>acton the solution to DOS and SPAM is do not have a server connected to a visible IP
13:43<HoopyCat>acton: iptables won't do shit for an inbound denial of service attack, of course; the only true prevention is to ensure noone gets pissed off at your IP address. :-) but yeah, outbound is a lot easier to control
13:44<acton>they ssh in. I can't do much about it. allowing the user ssh means I need to be careful and try to limit what they can do
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13:44<EAS>how are people who are using ubuntu/debian simplifying deployments of new VPS? I've been using a crummy script with no error checking to install all the needed packages and configure firewall, etc, but I'm thinking of creating some packages & metapackages
13:44<HoopyCat>acton: i would restrict outbound traffic to the necessary stuff for the application(s) in question, and consider something like chroot-based jails to keep people contained
13:44<acton>it is? I just need something that doesn't totally limit them, but that will limit them so they can't run dos attacks etc from my shell
13:45<EAS>there are approaches you can take to creating a restricted shell environment
13:45<acton>well, I could jail it
13:45<acton>but that doesn't mean they still won't compile some spam bot and run it
13:45<ella>acton run it on some SPAMERS IP range and get people pissed off :0
13:45<EAS>ah, yeah, if you are going to let them compile stuff :)
13:45<amitz>ella: when you say "do not have a server connected to a visible IP", is that meant to be a joke or is there a method...?
13:46<HoopyCat>acton: iptables can rate limit, which would help out a lot. however, a good, firm terms of service and demanding (non-fradulent) prepayment for services can put the fear of god into your users
13:46<acton>ella: lol
13:46<ella>amitz ROFL! No it's not a joke, the only way to truely sexure a server is not have anyone access it
13:46<amitz>damn :-)
13:46<acton>unless your server is windows. then it'll just crash its self.
13:46<ella>It's that guy that spamed 80% of the worlds spam back in action?
13:46<guinea-pig>the only way to truely secure a server is to make it not exist.... nukes!
13:47<ella>amitz Don't run php, don't run open ports, block everything except 25, 22, and 80, and a vpn port in the top end of the port range
13:47<acton>is there any other solutions? I can do limiting, but that won't stop them from spamming or something.
13:47<HoopyCat>EAS: unfortunately, gcc is readily available, and even if the user somehow doesn't have access to an i386-based linux box, they can cross-compile to it :-)
13:47<HoopyCat>acton: does anything on the box need to send mail?
13:47<acton>the game servers might
13:47<ella>You can't stop inbound traffic I'm afraid and most ingress providers usually don't help with filtering
13:47<acton>if they decide to do some authorization for users
13:48<acton>well, I'm more worried about outboun d
13:48<ella>About 15 years ago, I was building a new server in my office one fine sunny afternoon.
13:48<ella>I had just installed the distro, set it up for DHCP to grab an address an rebooted
13:48<HoopyCat>acton: in theory, you could set up a smarthost for outbound mail, only allow 25/587 to there, and rate-limit/spamassassinate the outgoing mail
13:49*acton nods
13:49<ella>Logged in as root and got a broadcast message "Hey Ella, love to new server, congrates on the mega fast install" from a friend on the other side of the world
13:49<ella>he had already logged in as root :)
13:49<acton>I was told there was some sort of program that would check and monitor outbound.
13:49<HoopyCat>acton: iptables :-)
13:49<ella>iptables doesn't monitor
13:49<ella>it just counts :)
13:50<ella>I'd love to see a NETWATCH like applicaiton for iptables :)
13:50<ella>I'd write one but I'm too lazy :)
13:50<fapestniegd>define "monitor"
13:50<fapestniegd>what do you want to see?
13:50<acton>monitor as in it will keep them from dosing, while letting them access web, etc. it will make sure they're not spamming...
13:51<ella>An applicaiotn, process or person, that observes events and may report if something is out of the ordinary, or report regularly what s perceived to be normal
13:51<acton>just things that someone might love to do with a shell
13:51<fapestniegd>that's pretty high-level
13:52<acton>well, I'd be willing to take it in layers
13:52<acton>I'm just not sure how it should be set up.
13:52<HoopyCat>acton: something like snort can monitor traffic for particular patterns... it's a wee bit comprehensive, but would probably tell you if someone's being naughty
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13:52*acton nods
13:53*ella rushes off to look for snort
13:53*ella has lots of snorting kids in the house thogh
13:53<acton>I'll take a look. thanks, eld101
13:53<fapestniegd>but you'd need some kind of feedback loop if you wanted to stop them right away, and setting up rules on "don't be naughty" would be a little tricky. :)
13:53*acton hates tab completion when it doesn't work. :p
13:53<HoopyCat>fapestniegd: yeah, apt-get install babysitter"
13:54<HoopyCat>err, ideally "apt-get install babysitter" would work :-)
13:54<ella>is this a good message to have on the SNORT home page?
13:54<ella>Couldn't connect to database: Host '' is blocked because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'
13:54<ella>For help, please send mail to the webmaster (, giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
13:54<fapestniegd>or apt-get install totalitarian-regime
13:56<HoopyCat>there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a totalitarian sysadmin
13:56<Syrogen>openssl and lighttpd confused me!
13:56*ella contepplats being lazy and getting a binary, but they are all rpms and she HATES DESPISES DENIES rpms
13:56<ella>Syrogen me too!
13:56<Syrogen>u kidding me?
13:57<ella>No, I have never used lighttpd so I'm already confused :)
13:57<ella>openssl is easy :)
13:57<HoopyCat>acton: btw, do ensure that you've got money in your pocket before giving people access... if you can head the shell-burners off at the pass, you'll avoid 95% of your problems right there
13:57<Syrogen>how to restart from openssl
13:57<acton>how to use linux
13:58<acton>HoopyCat: thanks
13:58<acton>I'd like to do free hosting for mud servers, but maybe I'll make them send some form of identification or something similar
13:59<ella>Love it: returns Internal Server Error
13:59<ella>The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
14:00<ella>And on I get this: Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/SNORTweb/ line 618.
14:00<HoopyCat>acton: Welcome, asdfasf asdffgadf! You last logged in from (
14:00<ella>That's so cool, a monitor and prevention system that fails to monitor and prevent itself from failing :)
14:00<EAS>Acton, even a one time $20/charge can cut out a lot of riffraff
14:01<ella>Yes a lot of people want a free shell account :) I get asked hundreds of times a month by script kiddies
14:01<ella>My response "Sure for US$99 registration and $45 a month I'll give you a shell account :)
14:01<ella>I just don't tell them I only pay $50 a month for a VPS :)
14:01<acton>eas: nods. HoopyCat: huh?
14:01*acton smirks
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14:02<HoopyCat>acton: beware automatic free account creation :-)
14:02<EAS>I remember begging my first shell account... in 1993
14:02*acton nods
14:02<HoopyCat> <3
14:03<opello> was where i had my first one not on a friend's machine :)
14:03<acton>would there be a way even with charging $20 one-time fee to make it where outbound traffic would be logged? just connections, or something similar so if something does come up, I can check those
14:03<HoopyCat>bbl, buying samosas
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14:04<EAS>acton, ufw, to name one, should be able to do outgoing logging
14:05*acton nods
14:05<acton>thanks. I'm rather new to this
14:06<EAS>sounds like you may have to learn a lot quickly :)
14:06<Syrogen>can i skip lighttpd and go to ispconfig?
14:06<EAS>you'll be expert in no time
14:06<acton>well, I'm not sure how else to learn.
14:06<EAS>yup, acton
14:06<EAS>easier to learn if you have a problem that needs solving
14:06<acton>I guess I'm just worried about leaving holes open.
14:07<acton>and I'm not really sure what I need to be following to insure that I don't.
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14:09<EAS>what distro are you using, acton ?
14:10<morficus>good choice :)
14:10<EAS>what use is acceptable?
14:10<acton>what do you mean?
14:11*ella cringes at debian
14:11<morficus>what's your distro of choice ella?
14:11<acton>My idea is now that I have everything set up like I want, I could just monitor outbound connections and write to a log of what user connects where. then even after charging the one-time setup fee, if something were to happen I could just refer to those. that's all I really need to do. outbound, bandwidth and cpu/memory monitoring and I think I'm set. and I use debian
14:11<Syrogen>i haven fully setup my linode b4!
14:12<EAS>I'm just thinking, start by closing pretty much everything down, and then open only the things you need
14:12*acton nods
14:12<EAS>and log everything :)
14:12<acton>I've got all services that I don't need disabled
14:13<EAS>I also mean at the nework level
14:13<morficus>oh, you're setting up shared hosting acton ?
14:13<acton>I'm trying.
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14:13<acton>network level? I've killed services. or are you refering to something else
14:14<acton>it'll be cool when it's going. seems like a lot of hard work just to get going, though
14:14<EAS>system level firewall
14:14<acton>ah. nods. I've got iptables
14:14<acton>I used arno-iptables to set things up. my rules usually end up breaking things
14:14<acton>only bad thing is it wipes out dmesg buffer and writes everything there.
14:14<EAS>yeah, some make it easier to shoot yourself in the foot than others
14:15<ella>acton anything is hard work the first time
14:15<ella>slightly easier the second time
14:15<ella>easy the third time
14:15<ella>and if you have to do it a fourth time you are incompetent!
14:15<acton>I'd write my own, just not sure what I should be blocking/allowing. I can open ports, but that doesn't add much to security.
14:16<acton>I open the ones I need, close the rest. well, just drop anything going to them, anyway. but I think there's a lot more to making it work decently well
14:16<Cloritj><ella> and if you have to do it a fourth time you are incompetent!
14:16<ella>I'd have a DENY ALL rule and only ALLOW what is necessary that way you can remove something rather than have a LOT of stuff to block
14:16<Cloritj>Or your a friggin genious and the expansion is going according to plan!
14:17<ella>Cloritj *blush* thanks :) But it's true!
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14:17<Clorith>there we go
14:17<ella>One letter oesn't make you a better person you know!
14:17<acton>ella: I do a drop all accept what's needed policy. but lots of scripts do some weird rate limiting, and a ton of other stuff that I've never understood
14:17<Clorith>yes it does!
14:18<Clorith>did you all know, that joomla is a POS ?
14:18<ella>I thought you could rate limit in iptables?
14:18<ella>Clorith a Point Of Sale?
14:18<acton>you can
14:18<Clorith>why do people keep thinking that
14:18<ella>Patheticly Opressed Scientist?
14:18<Clorith>of shit - of course
14:18<ella>Perfectly Over Sexed?
14:18<morficus>Clorith, I've used Joomla and come to ........ like it
14:18<acton>maybe I'll find a big book on iptables and snort. possibly after a year or so of reading, I might have a secure system.
14:18<ella>Prefer Other Sex?
14:19<Clorith>morficus, you didn't just have to transfer 10 domains from one host to another, where everything broke
14:19<Clorith>and by everything I mean the modules loaded are encrypted and locked to the old IP by subscription, on a subscription that no longer exists
14:19<morficus>lol, no
14:19<ella>I've been using Joker for years
14:19<morficus>but I coudl see how that would make Joomla very very unhappy
14:19<Clorith>it makes me less happy
14:19<Clorith>I spent 22 hours straight with it
14:20<Clorith>jsut to get emails that somethign else is still broke
14:21<Clorith>and that is why I hate joomla :P
14:21<Clorith>that and because nobody on the joomla forums are replying to my thread
14:21*ella still doesn't know what Joomla is, or what POS has to do with it :0
14:21<Clorith>most of the first one though
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14:21<morficus>Joomla = an opensource CMS
14:22<eld101>its easy to use too
14:22<morficus>POS = piece of shit :p
14:22<ella>Sounds like someone forgot to make it useful :)
14:22<eld101>anyone use phpbb seo?
14:22<morficus>Joomla has it ups and downs
14:22<morficus>nope, I use vBulletin
14:22<ella>I could NEVER get phpbb to install
14:23<morficus>and e107 before that.... which really is a big POS
14:23<eld101>I have it installed, but cant get the seo to work
14:23<eld101>get 404s
14:23<eld101>I tihnk its something with htaccess for my apache config but cant figure out what
14:24<ella>eld101 we sure can't!
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14:24<eld101>ella: huh?
14:24<morficus>oh wait... seo? that's the thing what makes the URL's pretty right?
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14:24<morficus>I had an issue with that in joomla for a bit
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14:25<morficus>hhm... I'm trying to remember how I fixed it
14:25<ella>I was trying to get the wordpress pretty URLs working but gave up for this week
14:25<morficus>eld101, don't you need modrewerite for it to work?
14:25<eld101>insteady of $forumid=34456
14:25<eld101>yes, and I believe I have that enabled in httpd.conf
14:25<ella>hard to work things out with a migrane headache, coughing every 22 seconds, and feeling like thorwing up 4 times an hour
14:26<eld101>in httpd:
14:26<eld101>LoadModule rewrite_module modules/
14:27<eld101>not sure what else it would be
14:30<ella>ave you turned rewrite logging on :)
14:30<ella>It can tell you a lot, once you decode what it's saying
14:30<eld101>how would I do that?
14:30<ella>OMG, you want me to look that up! Hang on
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14:32<ella>RewriteLog "/local/logs/apache-rewrite/apache_rewrite.log"
14:32<ella>RewriteLoglevel 2
14:33<ella>I really must turn it off one day
14:33<eld101>put that in httpd.conf?
14:33*mgoetze wonders what ella has the linode disk io rate warning level set to
14:33<ella>well I have it in: specials.conf
14:34<ella>mgoetze about 75% why?
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14:34<morficus>eld101, try adding this to your .htaccess or config file
14:34<mgoetze>because that looks like it produces quite a bit of disk io
14:34<ella>mgoetze you trying t me mean!
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14:34<morficus>Options +FollowSymLinks
14:34<morficus>RewriteEngine On
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14:34<ella>No you only ned the logging on whilst you debug :0
14:34<ella>unless you are me and lazy :0
14:35<ella>My disk ip is under 45 most of the time
14:35<edsonmedina>is it possible to customize the plans offered by linode (ie: pay for additional hdd space)?
14:35<morficus>edsonmedina, yes
14:35<ella>edsonmedina yup
14:36<morficus>you can get more of anything
14:36<morficus>IP's, RAM, bandwdith, disk space, memory
14:36<edsonmedina>how much does it cost? is there a table somewhere?
14:36<mgoetze>of course, it's often cheaper to just take a bigger plan
14:36<eld101>no dice
14:36<HoopyCat>dang, it went missin'
14:36<morficus>to the interwebz!
14:37<@mikegrb>mmm cake
14:37<ella>You can even get more Cake!
14:37<morficus>edsonmedina, do you have a linode account yet?
14:37<morficus>I know they have the prices listed in the member panel
14:37<HoopyCat>per month, $5/90MB RAM, $2/1GB disk, $10/100GB transfer, $1/additional IP address
14:38<edsonmedina>nope, i'm considering
14:39<eld101> = ghey
14:39<edsonmedina>thanks HoopyCat
14:39<morficus>they also have per-year prices
14:39<eld101>what else should I look into?
14:39<morficus>it ends up being 10% lower
14:40<morficus>eld101, did you add what I told you to to your .htaccess or config file?
14:40<eld101>I tried that
14:40<morficus>if you added it to your config, you restarted apache right? :-p
14:40<eld101>but I did it in htaccess
14:41<morficus>ah, ok
14:41<HoopyCat>i don't think the extras have an annual discount, but the regular plans do indeed
14:41<morficus>90mb of ram = $5/month or $60/year
14:42<morficus>ok, your right haha
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14:43<HoopyCat>morficus: when you pasted that, i totally second-guessed my 1) knowledge of how many months there are in a year and 2) my ability to do multiplication. don't mess with me, dude. :-)
14:44<mgoetze>why do you need to be able to do multiplication? there's bc, after all
14:46<Clorith>hoopy, remember when you helped me set up IPv6 that first time I tried it? :P
14:47<Syrogen>anyone using llmp?
14:47<HoopyCat>Clorith: perhaps
14:48<Clorith>weeeeeeeeeeeell, I have a dodgy one that wont set up properly, wanan help me again? haha
14:48<HoopyCat>Clorith: pastebin that poopbag
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14:48<Clorith>I'll do you one better
14:49<HoopyCat>mgoetze: i am functionally useless without a calculator most days
14:49<HoopyCat>mgoetze: i have nightmares about having a rare double calculator failure during an exam
14:50<Syrogen>what setup do u guys use for hosting
14:50<HoopyCat>Clorith: pastebin ur /etc/network/interfaces or other distro-specific file of joy :-)
14:50<Clorith>yes sir
14:50<HoopyCat>Syrogen: lighttpd simple-vhosts, polar tonic water, bombay sapphire
14:50<mgoetze>HoopyCat: quick! tell me an antiderivate of dt/((t+1)t)
14:50*mgoetze wonders which calculator will get used for that
14:50<HoopyCat>mgoetze: that's next semester
14:51<HoopyCat>mgoetze: if i had to, i'd ask my wife :-)
14:51*mgoetze has to :(
14:51<HoopyCat>Clorith: you... seem to be... missing the ipv6 stuff in there... how'd you set it up?
14:52<ella>My partner is a Math teacher let me ask :)
14:52<Clorith>I set it up manually
14:53<Clorith>I always do it manually line by line to make sure it works
14:53<Clorith>it sucks if you add it from scratch in there and something messes up (like now)
14:53<HoopyCat>Clorith: ah, i always do /etc/network/interfaces to make sure it will work every time ;-)
14:53*ella nods
14:53<Clorith>and because I dont want to restart networking ;)
14:54<mgoetze>Clorith: you don't need to restart everything, just use ifup
14:54*ella guys are always wondering ifup
14:55<HoopyCat>interfaces: the drop-dead eat-a-dead-vole works-every-time set-your-clock-by-it oh-my-god-it-works easy-breezy one-two-three set-it-and-forget-it way to configure networking for over eighty years
14:56<ella>you are old
14:56<HoopyCat>Clorith: barring that, pastebin route -n -A inet6
14:57<mgoetze>HoopyCat: ITYM "ip -6 r"
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14:57<HoopyCat>either works, i just forget the ip -6 r
14:57<mgoetze>route is gonna die one of these days ;)
14:58<HoopyCat>i'm old, man... lay off me, bro... route's gonna go away just as soon as they bury nslookup
14:58<HoopyCat>they've been sayin' that for years, but you know what? people still buy 'em.
14:58<ella>peoplestill use nslookip?
14:59<amitz>any of you have experience with as registrar? any comment on it?
14:59<mgoetze>some people still use slackware, i'm told
15:00<HoopyCat>Clorith: hmm... doesn't look like the default route has a specific destination, merely a device... that's somewhat different from my setup
15:00<ella>Yeah Slackware is great :) My life!
15:00<HoopyCat>2000::/3 via :: dev he-ipv6 metric 1024 mtu 1480 advmss 1420 hoplimit 4294967295
15:01<ella>tha'ts a mighty big hop limit!
15:01<ella>You expecting to jump through every router in the world twice?
15:05<Clorith>you never know!
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15:13<Clorith>so if I copy your /etc/network/interfaces setup starting from auto he-ipv6, and just replace your stuff with my own, it should work when I do "iface up" ?
15:14<HoopyCat>i think so... i just do network restart, but that's just me
15:15<Clorith>yeah, but that would kill any current conenctions, wont it ?
15:15<HoopyCat>only if you mess up
15:15<Clorith>That's a yes then :P
15:15<mgoetze>better do "ifup he-ipv6"
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15:21<Clorith>mgoetze, good idea
15:21<Clorith>he-ipv6: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
15:22<Clorith>and it restarted ntpd
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15:30<sjdan>Did anyone install LxAdmin here?!!
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15:32<sjdan>Anyone here installed lxadmin on their linode?????????????????????????????
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15:34<HoopyCat>Clorith: ntpd will end up restarted on pretty much any interface change; it binds to each IP individually
15:34<sjdan>Sorry, I've been struggling with it for all night so i was getting frustrated
15:41<HoopyCat>sjdan: 'tis all good :-)
15:42<sjdan>sigh...this is ridiculous, it's not picking up any IP addresses,,,
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15:56<Mr-Metz>hi there i have a question regarding I/O how much is too much ?
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16:05<HoopyCat>Mr-Metz: there's no official "this number is too much" limit; in general, as long as you aren't swap-thrashing or doing I/O just to spite your neighbors, it's pretty much OK
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16:07<Mr-Metz>hum ok, i was installing ruby and gems and other stuff updating and upgrading and i hit the 2032 processes and i was hoping that isnt very high
16:07<HoopyCat>if you're doing stuff, it's cool. :-)
16:07<HoopyCat>if the e-mails get annoying, you can bump up the thresholds accordingly
16:08<mgoetze> long as it's not on *my* node :-P
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16:10<Mr-Metz>:) over time i hope i can see a nice manual about all this stuff this is my first day "configuring" a server, hope to start developing and design ASAP and stop managing the server!
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16:12<mgoetze>you should never stop managing the server...
16:15<Mr-Metz>yes i know...i bought the linode because of a webdesigner tired of working for others now im building my own company and im going to host some websites in this linode, i dont want to wait for the so called server managers to resolve my server problems, sometimes the 20 minutes of waiting can cost some money, thats why im into this adventure lol...although i must admit this is harder than i though
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16:27<Clorith>HoopyCat, aha I see, sorry for late reply, had to help my dear grand mother
16:29<Clorith>Mr-Metz, the beauty is that if you ever get stuck and google has nothing for you, there's an amazing community here that love to help
16:31<Mr-Metz>ho yeah i know...i've already asked a lot of things here, and i've already received a lot a lot of help...
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16:35<Clorith>me too
16:35<Clorith>I bombard them with 5+ a day, hehe
16:36<HoopyCat>Clorith: how's it goin?
16:37<Clorith>well, he-ipv6 is in /etc/network/interfaces
16:37<Clorith>but it still claims it can't find it
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16:38<HoopyCat>pastebin ur /etc/network/interfaces
16:39<Clorith>working off yours as a base, so I probably did something stupid knowing me, hehe
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16:44<jed>whee, skype is nice
16:44<jed>now if AT&T would hurry up on this call and forward my cell number, we'd be golden
16:45<HoopyCat>Clorith: hmm... well that SHOULD work
16:46<mgoetze>Clorith: this is a linode we're talking about, right?
16:46<HoopyCat>Clorith: waitasec... is this ubuntu 8.04, by chance? if so, have you canoodled with your /sbin/modprobe properly?
16:46<jed>well, for emergency forwarding given a broken-in-half iphone, skype really pitched in quickly
16:47<Clorith>it's 8.10
16:47<Clorith>and I rememebr reading you dont need ot canoodle modprobe when using -route2
16:48<HoopyCat>you're using the ifup method, which -- at least with 8.04, dunno about 8.10 -- does indeed require said canoodlage. however, i think it gives a different error
16:49<Clorith>I guess I could go canoodle it
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16:49<Clorith>it's just using the procedure listed on the linode wiki, isn't it ?
16:50<HoopyCat>Clorith: yeah... mv /sbin/modprobe /sbin/modprobe.orig, then replace it with a little shell script that tells it to die peacefully if passed the -Q option
16:50<HoopyCat> <--- little shell script
16:51<Clorith>oh, I jsut opened the wiki ^-^
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16:53<Clorith>canoodling complete
16:53<Clorith>do I need to modprobe before doing ifup ?
16:55<HoopyCat>8.04, at least, needs it because ifup fails badly if modprobe errors because there's no ipv6 module, even if ipv6 is already compiled in
16:55<Clorith>ifup he-ipv6
16:55<Clorith>ifup: interface he-ipv6 already configured
16:56<mgoetze>ifdown he-ipv6; ifup he-ipv6
16:56<Clorith>what chmod does the modprobe need?
16:58<Clorith>I just +x'ed it, but it still says no such device
16:59<Clorith>(still adds it to ifconfig
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17:05<HoopyCat>Clorith: ok, so 8.10 probably fixed the problem that needs canoodling. good.
17:05<HoopyCat>Clorith: try renaming the interface to something else in /etc/network/interfaces ?
17:09<Clorith>hetunnel: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
17:09<Clorith>it's like a divine force, wanting me to fail
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17:18<HoopyCat>Clorith: it does, indeed, work for me. i don't THINK there's any other magic...
17:19<Clorith>it sets up the tunnel though
17:19<Clorith>it jsut spits out that error, despite it being added to ifconfig
17:19<HoopyCat>really? huh
17:19<HoopyCat>well, does it work?
17:19<jed>ubuntu has bugs that kicked my ass in this department
17:19<jed>it creates the tunnel but whines and whines about various errors
17:20<jed>so does debian
17:20<Clorith>ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
17:20<Clorith>well, nothign new there =/
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17:20<HoopyCat>operation... not... _permitted_?
17:22<HoopyCat>(i am required, by treaty, to inform you that i have just poured a gin and tonic for myself, which may impact quality of service)
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17:24<Clorith>By all means, enjoy your g&t
17:24<Clorith>and the operation not permitted is usually caused by a firewall in my experience, but I dont have one of those blocking pings
17:25<HoopyCat>Clorith: my network architecture is somewhat odd; i have one tunnel on said 8.04 LTS box, which then has a handful of openvpn leafs providing ipv6 to my other boxen. so, technically, i haven't done an HE tunnel on 8.10 or 9.04...
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17:29<Clorith>I'm rather confused, I've set up more then one tunnel in my time, but it's never been this bothersome
17:30<HoopyCat>Clorith: indeed...
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18:07<jroes> jed does it always say Yes? :| :| :|
18:07<jroes>I keep refreshing
18:07<jed>haha yes
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18:08<jroes>time to setup vmware and RDP into Windows 7 on my linode
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18:24<mwalling>phennessy / HoopyCat: f you.
18:25<morficus>fantastic you?
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18:25<morficus>fortunate you?
18:28<HoopyCat>mwalling: my wife looked outside while we were discussing the ant epidemic and said "... but the lawn looks nice!"
18:33<mwalling>uh huh
18:33<mwalling>i'm sure
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18:41<phennessy>i should change the oil in my lawnmower
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19:20<h>another linode tried to ssh into mine with no identification string, user root (disabled via ssh), user admin (not exist), and user test (not exist), and was then banned by my fail2ban rules... Should I let anyone know about this, or forget about it along with the other few IPs per day my fail2ban bans?.....gonna switch to non-standard ssh port pretty soon :)
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19:22<HoopyCat>h: send logs to ... odds are good they got sploited
19:23<h>HoopyCat: ah will do, thank you!
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19:24<HoopyCat>h: wouldn't happen to be, would it? :-)
19:25<h>HoopyCat: it would indeed!! get some similar hits?
19:25<HoopyCat>h: yup
19:26<HoopyCat>alrighty! it's time for the #linode door prize drawing! our first door prize tonight is a firm kick in the crotch... everyone check your network tab right now, and if you have, come on down!
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19:28<tonyyarusso>Awww, I didn't even get the first number.
19:29<HoopyCat>don't worry, folks, there's plenty of more prizes to win! we've got a dream date with straterra, a promo code for free setup on your new linode, and -- our grand prize -- urmom
19:29<h>I've got the first 2 octets, what do I win?
19:30<HoopyCat>h: an automated ssh scan :-)
19:30<h>HoopyCat: haha
19:30*tonyyarusso wants to know if there's a way to delay a UPS delivery
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19:31<HoopyCat>tonyyarusso: you miiiiight be able to call the hub (or maybe even customer service if you're lucky) and work something out
19:31<tonyyarusso>HoopyCat: no standard process though eh?
19:32<tonyyarusso>Are the hubs in the phone book?
19:32<HoopyCat>tonyyarusso: not really... they aren't too keen on storing things more than necessary. if it's a time-of-day issue, you can probably have them hold it at the hub for pickup
19:32<h>tonyyarusso: You can have the hub hold the package for you (up to 1 week) and pick it up at your leisure
19:32<phennessy>last week, i got items deliver to work before the email was sent with the expected delivery date (which was for the next day)
19:33<tonyyarusso>Well, it's actually that I have two packages due on Monday and three more on Tuesday, but I'll be working until late on Monday and would rather they not sit there, so if they can just deliver all 5 on Tuesday that would be awesome.
19:34<phennessy>too bad they don't require a signature for home delivery anymore
19:34<HoopyCat>tonyyarusso: give the customer service folks a call... they'd probably be able to wing something. it's been awhile since i've had that situation.
19:34<Palintheus>UPS customer service is usually unwilling to bend at all in my experience
19:35<Palintheus>asked them to hold something for me at the hub for pickup rather than deliver when no one was home and there was a signature required, their response was that they had to make the deliver attempt before the option of holding it was available
19:37<h>Palintheus: that sounds true, all the times I've had them hold a package was after a failed delivery attempt or two
19:37<Palintheus>just seems like an idiotic approach to me
19:37<Palintheus>pretty much being told they will be wasting a delivery attempt, but *shrug*
19:39<tonyyarusso>Ow ow ow
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19:40<tonyyarusso>Their hold musak is painfully loud and tinny
19:40<tonyyarusso>But, that answer was no :(
19:40<tonyyarusso>Oh wells - I'll just punch out for lunch at work and swing by home after they come.
19:41<HoopyCat>tonyyarusso: you might be able to put a note up requesting that the package NOT be delivered for national security reasons or something
19:42<tonyyarusso>"Um, Supervisor? We may want someone to look into this package...."
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19:42<HoopyCat>tonyyarusso: looks like the shipper can initiate a UPS Delivery Interceptâ„  for the low, low price of $10. that's probably why...
19:43<h>is there a way to setup bash autocompletion to only suggest directories for the command cd? Or is there some reason this should be allowed that I have never seen...
19:45<HoopyCat>h: that's how it works here...
19:45<h>HoopyCat: wonder if I changed something.
19:46<HoopyCat>h: ubuntu, at least, has a very comprehensive /etc/bash_completion that is sourced from .bashrc
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19:47<h>HoopyCat: oh of course, my cd is a function that does a quiet popd. That must be causing the issue
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19:50<HoopyCat>h: see, you've done gone and messed with the natural flow of the universe
19:51<pbryan1>Something go wrong with fremont36?
19:51<h>HoopyCat: yes yes I see the error of my ways
19:54<HoopyCat>pbryan1: you're the first report, and it looks pingable
19:55<pbryan1>I see my CPU went to 400%, so that might be telling that it was a problem with my node.
19:56<pbryan1>My uptime was unreasonably long, so I guess these things happen.
19:57<SelfishMan>pbryan1: That sounds like you OOMed
19:57<HoopyCat>pbryan1: that's often a sign of kernel panic... check the lish "logview" command, which'll preserve the last console lines from the previous boot
19:58<pbryan1>Ah, okay.
19:58<pbryan1>Hmm, now can't see it with SSH.
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20:00<pbryan1>All's well.
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20:12<JoelCA>I am currently using a direct competitor to Linode. You can probably guess who it might be.
20:12<JoelCA>Right now I have a 256MB VPS which is serving me fine, but I am thinking of adding a Wiki installation that may just put that amount of RAM over the edge.
20:14<phennessy>360 > 256
20:14*Palintheus waits for the question
20:14<SelfishMan>linode > slimazemple
20:14<JoelCA>I currently have minimal bandwidth requirements, but in your opinion would 360MB be enough for LAMP, Wordpress, and Confluence?
20:15<bliblok>I believe it is.
20:15<charlie>JoelCA: Confluence *might* be stretching it
20:15<phennessy>isn't confluence java?
20:15<phennessy>like with tomcat?
20:16<charlie>It's the biggest memory hog out of all the other Atlassian products, but if the only other thing on there is LAMP + Wordpress (maybe consider using something smaller than Apache), then it should work
20:16<HoopyCat>if it's the competitor i'm thinking of, you're probably also on a 64-bit image right now, which (all things being equal) will cause some amount of additional memory consumption
20:16<phennessy>i suspect java and tomcat might be a lot
20:16<JoelCA>charlie: Got Confluence for $5 during their promotion -- but that now puts me in this quandry
20:16<phennessy>you could try it out, linode charges per day
20:16<phennessy>so you wouldn't be out much
20:17<phennessy>linode uses less than slicehost too because you can use 32bit kernels instead of 64bit
20:17<bd_>* - with minimum prepay of the rest of the month, refunded on cancellation
20:17<charlie>JoelCA: Same here. We can run JIRA, Crucible, and FishEye on a VPS together, so I'm assuming you will be able to run Confluence
20:17<phennessy>uses less memory
20:17<charlie>(And, it's a 360 VPS at that)
20:17<charlie>So you should be good
20:17<bd_>phennessy: The bitness of the userspace matters more, really. And in theory you can set up a 32-bit userspace in sliceamajibble if you work at it enough ;)
20:17<JoelCA>charlie: Right. I am 99.9% confident 256MB won't be able to handle this.
20:18<charlie>Yeah, it wouldn't be able to, you'd be swapping like crazy
20:18<JoelCA>360MB seems to teeter on that edge. I guess if worse comes to worse I upgrade to 540 and still pay a bit less than upgrading where I am currently at.
20:19<JoelCA>I am trying to convince myself that migrating is *not* a good idea, only because I dread moving my current setup to a new host. Just a pain. But my brain tells me it is the right thing to do ;-)
20:20<phennessy>you could just dd it out
20:20<charlie>You'll love it at Linode, we promise! :P
20:20<linbot>How to deploy a custom distro to your Linode:
20:20<bd_>phennessy: yeah but that'd keep him on 64-bit
20:20<phennessy>yea, well it's the easy way out
20:20<HoopyCat>if you're doing a major change and it's been awhile, it's probably not a bad idea to do an install from scratch
20:20<bd_>what would be slightly better would be to reinstall then copy over the config files :)
20:21<JoelCA>bd_: Yep. That is what I would be doing :-), especially if I "downgrade" to 32-bit.
20:21<phennessy>i wouldn't look at that as a downgrade or upgrade
20:22<JoelCA>phennessy: Couldn't think of a better word. I guess "move" to 32-bit.
20:23<JoelCA>Thanks for your help all. I got something to chew on now.
20:24*phennessy listens to jon stewart use urmom jokes on specter
20:25<HoopyCat>it's somewhat creepy having a passenger side rear-view mirror on my desk
20:25<purrdeta>Yay stomy weather that made me sleep all day >.<
20:25<HoopyCat>i look... really far away
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20:57<chesty>can you create links via ftp?
20:58<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
20:59<chesty>please shutup if you don't want to answer the question asked
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20:59<bliblok>please shutup if you don'd care for the answers given to you.
20:59<bd_>There are a lot of people who come in and ask questions like that without knowing SSH/SFTP/etc exist
21:00<blorpy>chesty: your question doesnt even make sense
21:00<HoopyCat>i think there's a way to create symbolic links, but honestly, i haven't used non-anonymous FTP in yeeeears
21:00<blorpy>ah sym links
21:00<HoopyCat>(i've used gopher more recently, actually)
21:01<chesty>ftp is still popular with web hosting companies, sometimes you don't have a choice
21:01<bd_>The default assumption is you have a linode ;)
21:02<chesty>i do
21:02<chesty>but I'm not using it in this case ;)
21:02<bd_>fair enough then
21:02<HoopyCat>i thought there were a bunch of web hosting companies out there
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21:03<chesty>there's one or two, even cpanel supports more than just ftp, but ftp is often the only option
21:04<silverblade>bd_: hi, you the person that got netbsd on a linode?
21:04<HoopyCat>chesty: the googles look pretty hopeless
21:04<bd_>Many moons ago, yes ::)
21:05<chesty>HoopyCat: ta, i checked man ftp, nothing in there either
21:05<silverblade>Do you happen to know if freebsd would work?
21:05<bd_>No idea
21:05<bd_>try it?
21:05<HoopyCat>chesty: there's probably a way to configure the FTP server to make it possible, but indeed, the clue and access required to do that would make it irrelevant
21:05<HoopyCat>chesty: try "help" within ftp itself... that will grab the commands available from the server
21:06<silverblade>bd_: I was considering it, but having looked at the guide on the linode wiki for netbsd it seems relatively complicated (compared to a regular install of an OS)
21:06<silverblade>i mean, you had to do patching of netbsd kernel...
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21:15<bd_>silverblade: also it might not be entirely stable or whatever :)
21:15<bd_>or so I've heard. I got bored with it once it was booting and responding to ssh
21:17<silverblade>heh ;)
21:17<silverblade>ok i'll give that a miss then
21:18<bd_>also it didn't support smp, at least at the time
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21:27<armbruster>Okay, I need some help.
21:27<armbruster>I keep getting my IP on hosts.deny, and I can't login. I keep erasing my IP and adding it to hosts.allow, then restarting SSH, but it keeps adding it.
21:27<acton>give it a wihle. it's tailing logs
21:28<bd_>Are you running denyhosts or something along those lines?
21:28<acton>yors will go away after a few sweeps find you
21:28<armbruster>Yeah, I'm running denyhosts.
21:28<bd_>If so, turn it off :)
21:28<bob2>or whitelist your ip
21:28<bob2>or stop failing to log in
21:28<acton>it's not that he's failing to log in
21:29<acton>he failed once. tail keeps catching the fail because there's nothing else for it to catch
21:29<armbruster>I whitelisted it.
21:29<armbruster>And it's still adding me.
21:29<armbruster>I don't know what else to do, other than just turn it off.
21:30<acton>it's because it keeps tailing the log. just wait for someone else to get added then remove yourself, or find the log it's tailing and remove that entry
21:30<SelfishMan>wow that sounds like bad coding
21:31<acton>uh. how else would you do it?
21:31<SelfishMan>remember the last entry and not keep re-adding it
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21:31<bob2>by remembering the timestamp of the last entry you checked?
21:31<acton>it just checks the log. because he was in there, if he's not already in the list, it just adds him
21:31<bob2>I don't see how your method would actually work
21:31<armbruster>fixed, thanks guys.
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21:32<SelfishMan>I have a hard time believing that denyhosts is that stupid
21:32<acton>then don't. I won't lose sleep over it
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21:48<acton>lots of people have little powered by linode banners and server stats. is there a linode script for that?
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21:54<Yaakov>That is all done with hate. Ask SpaceHobo.
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22:25<acton>which one is the logo? sorry. I see one that is called logo, is there a better one? I'm visually impaired, so I'm not able to see the graphic.
22:26<phennessy>there are an assortment
22:26<phennessy>err is
22:26<acton>any specific one that looks good?
22:27<phennessy>i use
22:27<acton>awesome. thanks
22:27<phennessy>says and Linux Virtual Servers underneath in smaller print
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22:27<phennessy>and it isn't too large
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22:29<acton>thanks again. I'll use that one.
22:29*HoopyCat makes sweet love to lighttpd
22:32*Turl1 (ab)uses lighttpd
22:32<Yaakov>acton: I use the little "LINODE POWERED" badge.
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22:36<Yaakov>Yes, that one.
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22:44<HoopyCat>Added the following hosts to /etc/hosts.deny: (localhost)
22:44*HoopyCat . o O ( )
22:44<Turl1>EPIC MEGAFAIL :p
22:47<Nivex>the alt tag is epic
22:47<HoopyCat>ah, looks like freepbx kerchunks whenever you look at the main page, so it can tell you if it's OK or not. denyhosts doesn't like that.
22:47<phennessy>you aren't using asterisk?
22:47<Nivex>kerchunks? you ham!
22:48<HoopyCat>phennessy: i'm using freepbx as a front-end to asterisk, because extensions.conf makes me physically ill
22:48<phennessy>dude, i can't believe you did that to an alt tag
22:49<bd_> <-- ubuntu needs more ppa build machines - 506 builds in the i386 queue seems just a bit high...
22:50<HoopyCat>phennessy: i am, as a matter of fact, delighted to be using freepbx, after a happily-short battle shoehorning it onto a non-dedicated ubuntu system running lighttpd
22:51<phennessy>i heard it took over all your apache and did bad things
22:51<HoopyCat>Nivex: you don't have to ID if you just accidentally key up for a moment because your knee was in the wrong place... it's in part 97 somewhere i'm sure
22:52<HoopyCat>phennessy: it's designed to be installed as a part of trixbox, a centos-derived distribution, with apache and asterisk running as the same user
22:54<phennessy>i've been rolling my own extensions.conf file
22:54<phennessy>found some good info from someone else online
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22:55<phennessy>it's an interesting read
22:56<HoopyCat>WARNING: The following hosts appear in /etc/hosts.deny but should be allowed based on your /var/lib/denyhosts/allowed-hosts file: (localhost)
22:58<HoopyCat>oh! there it is... somehow STICK_THUMB_UP_ASS_AND_MAKE_HUMAN_DO_ALL_THE_WORK=yes got set in the config. righty-o.
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22:58<HoopyCat>phennessy: extensions.conf isn't too bad, but i've been blocking for about a week on PTSD thinking about what'd be involved in migrating away from freepbx
22:58<phennessy> /var/lib/denyhosts/allowed-hosts
22:59<phennessy>that's a great path
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23:42<JoeK>is anybody a ruby on rails coder here?
23:43<JoeK>or flash
23:43<mcauser>not me, sorry
23:43<mcauser>having problems with it?
23:44<JoeK>no i need a coder to make something for me
23:44<JoeK>i have green
23:44<JoeK>with slight rips, but still retaining color
23:46<mcauser>i cant figure out where to upgrade my billed monthly linode to billed yearly
23:46<acton>probably have to submit a tick,et
23:46<mcauser>i thought they wouldnt make it more easier, considering they get more money sooner
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23:54<mcauser>has anyone upgraded their linode from ubuntu 8.10 to 9.0.4
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23:55<tonyyarusso>Not yet, but I will in the next couple of weeks.
23:55<mcauser>has anyone upgraded their linode from ubuntu 8.10 to 9.0.4
23:55<tonyyarusso>Actually, I might just do a fresh start rather than an upgrade.
23:55<tonyyarusso>mcauser: btw, it's 9.04, not 9.0.4.
23:55<mcauser>typo :)
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