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---Logopened Mon Jun 29 00:00:36 2009
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00:00<phennessy>i was at wildwood once for the 4th
00:00<phennessy>most fireworks i've seen at one time
00:01<phennessy>the smoke got so dense even that they got blurry :(
00:01<phennessy>least the once closer to the ground
00:04<p_quarles>wow, the wikipedia article on diplomatic immunity is fascinating; it contains an entire section on serious driving offenses by diplomats
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00:06<@pparadis>such as mowing down pedestrians while drunk?
00:07<p_quarles>precisely; and the US prosecuted a Georgian diplomat for exactly that, after Georgia waived his immunity
00:07<@pparadis>there is always the option for the foreign government to do that.
00:08<p_quarles>a Russian diplomat to Canada did something similar, but Russia decline to waive immunity, and convicted him themselves
00:08<@pparadis>i wonder how many times a foreign gov _hasn't_ done so though.
00:09<@pparadis>call me cynical, but i wonder exactly how severe the russian diplomat's penalty wound up being.
00:09<p_quarles>4 years in a penal colony
00:09<HedgeMage>If I had the choice between Russian prison or Canadian, I'd not be choosing Russian.
00:09<@pparadis>that is definitely not a cakewalk.
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00:10<freedumMan>irgeek, Directive 'ChrootDirectory' is not allowed within a Match block
00:10<@pparadis>heh "Some financial institutions will not extend credit to diplomats because they have no legal means of ensuring the money is repaid."
00:10<bd_>pparadis: not even financial institutions in their home country?
00:11<@irgeek>freedumMan: What version of SSH?
00:11<@pparadis>bd_: i'm sure they'd be okay :)
00:11<@irgeek>"To enable it, you obviously need the new version 4.8p1."
00:11<p_quarles>right, and I'm sure it depends on relations between the countries; a Canadian diplomat in the US isn't going to be as suspect as a Congolese diplomat in Mongolia, e.g.
00:13<freedumMan>irgeek, can i get that from the repos
00:14<@irgeek>Which version of what?
00:14<freedumMan>of ssh server
00:14<@irgeek>What distro?
00:15<freedumMan>ubuntu 8.04
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00:19<freedumMan>irgeek, i think i'll upgrade to 9.04 server
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00:20<@irgeek>It's in Jaunty & Intrepid.
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00:24<amitz>oh, interesting, the wikipedia link.
00:29<amitz>oh, I recalled it wrongly. The study was in New York, of UN diplomats.
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01:16<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so fat they built her a special toilet! (745:0/0) [mmoru]
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01:21<chesty>SelfishMan: you're number 2
01:22<SelfishMan>chesty: No, I'm number 3
01:23<MJCS>I'm #1 in the #2 business
01:23<chesty>SelfishMan: look again
01:23<SelfishMan>wait, what are we talking about
01:24<SelfishMan>oh, yeah, I know
01:24<SelfishMan>how the hell did that go from 18 to 24 so quick?
01:25<chesty>me ;)
01:26<SelfishMan>I think this is even better:
01:26<chesty>i think it's a fake
01:28<chesty>there's a version of that on that other ratings one
01:28<SelfishMan>Actually, the best one is
01:33<chesty>did this really happen?
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01:35<SelfishMan>I think so
01:35<@irgeek>The Register has a shocking exposé on camera phones. They're earth-shaking conclusion? If you want good pictures, get a camera.
01:36<@irgeek>Who'd a thunk?
01:37*litwol|mac lols @ 1518
01:38<chesty>the new iphones camera isn't bad
01:38<erikh>irgeek: actually, I saw some pictures a friend took with the new 3gs the other day, they're pretty nice
01:39<@irgeek>The few pictures I've taken aren't bad at all, but they don't compare to a real camera.
01:39<litwol|mac>so is like ?
01:39<@irgeek>I'll take some shots when I'm in Africa to if anyone wants proof.
01:39<SelfishMan>litwol|mac: but better
01:40<litwol|mac>linode hosts noobfarm ?
01:40<J-Node>My honey used to own a photo lab. We went round & round about analog "Real Camera" vs digital.
01:40<J-Node>I'd point out pixels = silver atoms, but she didn't want to hear that.
01:40<SelfishMan>litwol|mac: no
01:41*irgeek just spent $$$ on a nice camera for /dev/gf to take to Africa
01:41<litwol|mac>did the camera come back ?
01:42*litwol|mac holds breath
01:42<@irgeek>We haven't gone yet.
01:42<litwol|mac>never mind
01:42<J-Node>Was just watching Python's meaning of life. Hope you don't run into a tiger!
01:42<@irgeek>By 'just' I meant, you know, I just did it.
01:42<StevenK>I wonder if /dev/gf is a block or char device
01:42<@irgeek>About two weeks ago.
01:42<@irgeek>Er, about a week really.
01:43<@irgeek>StevenK: Depends on the process using it.
01:43<@irgeek>If I want to hide in the office and geek out: block device.
01:44<@irgeek>If I do something stupid: char-my-butt device
01:44<J-Node>Right, it'd be a char device when first dating, but then morphs into taking the whole block.
01:44<checkers>yeah, women!!
01:45<@irgeek>Thankfully there's places like this where we can talk about them and they'll never know.
01:45<erikh>you mean like irc?
01:46<J-Node>Still using the D70s we bought a few years ago. 'Only' 6 megs, but the eyeball (lens) is always the key to a good photo.
01:46<J-Node>Which is why most camera phones still suck.
01:47<mig5>bah keep forgetting can't put a trailing . in CNAME record in DNS manager :)
01:48<J-Node>irgeek: Hehe, rue the day the gf spoofs her irc id.
01:48<mig5>rare to REMEMBER the trailing . for once and get an error as a result :)
01:48<@irgeek>I got /dev/gf a D40 w/ an 18-55mm lens and a 55-200mm lens.
01:48<checkers>it's not /dev/gf, it's She Who Must Be Obeyed
01:48<@irgeek>J-Node: o_O Her irc id? Hah!
01:49<J-Node>Well, you *never* know who might be listening...
01:49<J-Node>I use the 55-200, also have the 18-70.
01:50<J-Node>Have been percolating on a more wide-angle lens lately.
01:51<@irgeek>I want a fish-eye lens.
01:51<@irgeek>But that will have to wait a paycheck or two.
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01:53<J-Node>They make the 16mm, ebay has one for only $62 so far. But buy-it-now is $500. Then there's the mothership. I'm still getting B&H catalogs, haven't bought anything from them in over 2 years.
01:53<sullen> :)) @ noobfarm
01:53<J-Node>I'd like to get one of those tripod heads for doing virtual walk-throughs.
01:57<@irgeek>Gee. I can get 10 16mm fisheye lenses for $1500.
01:58<J-Node>What, just in case the other 9 break? ;)
01:58<chesty>oh, 10
01:58<@irgeek>Sell the other 9 for $166 each and mine would be free. ;P
01:58<J-Node>Or perhaps you could build a really cool robot fly.
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02:02<chesty>yeah them for kite photography
02:02<chesty>use them...
02:04<J-Node>Yikes, I just *hate* it when everything's tested, you go live, and it breaks. Back to work...
02:09<checkers>tested? whats that
02:09<chesty>that's another word for going live
02:10<checkers>ah yeah I do that all the time, usually friday afternoons just before I leave
02:10<brainproxy>your argument is invalid:
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02:21<Jessica_>wanna see my pussy?
02:21<A-KO>now that is the funniest spam I've ever seen
02:21<sullen>fucking comedy
02:21<sullen>i swear this room
02:22<checkers>someone more desperate than I click on the link and tell me what it is
02:22<ajmitch>checkers: it must be about a cat, right?
02:22<Peng_>Tell me, too.
02:22<A-KO>I have an updated version of Chrome.....
02:22*A-KO wonders
02:22<sullen>im typing with my dick between the web of my right hand yo
02:22<sullen><3 thinkpad palm wrests <3
02:22<chesty>i clicked, it doesn't load. spam fail
02:22<A-KO>no connection
02:22<A-KO>definite fail
02:22<sullen>oh lame
02:23<sullen>them romanian chicks dont fuck around
02:23<checkers>bucharest hosting FTW
02:23<Peng_>It's down? That's no fun at all.
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02:23<sullen>no foreplay
02:23<Peng_>That's even less fun.
02:24<pwnguin>is there something besides lynx for console based www browsing?
02:24<StevenK>links, or w3m
02:24<Peng_>I used ELinks.
02:25<Peng_>This was like 2006, but ELinks could handle more complicated layouts than lynx. :)
02:26<@irgeek>If you're not happy with your console-based web browsing experience, you should probably get used to disappointment.
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02:26<pwnguin>just wondering if progress had been made in the years since i last used lynx
02:26<pwnguin>obviously, there's little incentive for it
02:27<checkers>I think the console is pretty much maxed out
02:27<checkers>and even in the areas it isn't, nobody cares
02:28<checkers>like colours. modern terminals support 256 colours, and yet barely any apps support more than the 8 colour palette
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02:30<pwnguin>the hurricane electric ipv6 stuff requires javascript
02:30*amitz is wondering how a web browser on CGA looks like..
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02:31<pwnguin>amitz: im sure you can find an old enough Sun workstation
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02:31<pwnguin>they might not technically be CGA, but i've never seen a sun box with a pretty UI
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02:32<amitz>I remember the first day I see windows 3.1. It looks so pretty..
02:33<amitz>maybe what was once pretty, is no longer pretty.
02:33<checkers>the magic of time!
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02:35<amitz>checkers: it's probably like MJ's songs. If he launched those songs now, he probably won't be as famous as he is now?
02:35<Peng_>Ahhh, this brings back memories. Futzing around as root in one TTY, reading Gentoo docs in another, and reading in a third. :D
02:36<amitz>Peng: oh, nice link!
02:37<amitz>Peng_: just drop that "Peng" account :-p
02:39<Peng_>amitz: For what it's worth, I will switch Peng's and Peng_'s nicks when I get a chance. (That is, when the iRPG bot is down.)
02:40<amitz>I can probably understand the feeling. I have also been too attached to "amitz" nick.
02:41<amitz>I'll probably try to switch from amitz_ to amitz.
02:42<amitz>Peng_: uh, nevermind. I was assuming and thinking too much ahead.
02:43<pwnguin>gah iRPG
02:43<pwnguin>people like you are why we have Windows binaries in Ubuntu
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02:46<amitz>pwnguin: oh, that's surprising..
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02:57<Peng_>pwnguin: :D
03:11<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so blind, she dated mikegrb and thought it was Ben Affleck! (736:4/0) [rumom]
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03:26*erikh cries
03:26<erikh>I'm building git on gentoo.
03:26<erikh>it wants to build xorg.
03:27<checkers>that's what you get for using gentoo
03:27<erikh>I'm just using it to debug something in a release I'm trying to get out
03:29<erikh>it's my application binding to mysql that has the problem. it just manifests itself on gentoo
03:29<erikh>trying to figure out what they're doing differently.
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03:33<pwnguin>erikh: of course, every gentoo bug report is unique
03:34<erikh>it wasn't a bug report. it was a run of our test suite by a gentoo user
03:35<erikh>well, a developer who runs on gentoo
03:36<erikh>but more importantly, it's a bug in our libraries' ability to properly infer precision, which is a somewhat critical problem
03:36<erikh>esp. because mysql pretty much ignores precision
03:36<erikh>on input at least
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03:38<erikh>fuck it
03:38<erikh>build x11 gentoo
03:38<erikh>you and your goddamn broken use flags
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03:46<pwnguin>well, i can't say i understand your test case failure, but i've got popcorn ready in case it turns out someone was using the -fastmath flag
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03:48<erikh>SpaceHobo: on varchar at least, with a default config, it just truncates it to the precision
03:49<erikh>good lord it's compiling automake
03:49<erikh>SAVE ME
03:50<pwnguin>i hope they pay your company for this
03:50<erikh>no, this is an OSS project
03:50<pwnguin>and you support gentoo?
03:50<erikh>I try and support everything, but in this case one of our dev team runs on gentoo and exposed it via our test suite
03:50<erikh>I want to see if gentoo is broken or our lib is broken
03:51<pwnguin>you're missing a third option
03:51<pwnguin>your developer is broken
03:51<erikh>nah, this guy is sharp
03:52<erikh>we're gearing up for a new release and he exposed several test failures that my environment didn't
03:52<erikh>in postgres and mysql
03:52<erikh>and has the chops to back it up
03:52<pwnguin>well, im not sure you can really rule out "gentoo"
03:52<erikh>no, i'm not sure I can either
03:53<pwnguin>you can rule out one set of build configurations
03:53<erikh>but if it's a compiler switch, or a gentoo default configuration (mysql has oodles of knobs which change how it works)
03:53<erikh>then I have to diagnose how to deal with *that*
03:53<erikh>which is why I'm trying to get all this working.
03:54<erikh>s/compiler switch/compile-time switch/
03:54<pwnguin>well, compile time switches are compiler switches ;)
03:54<erikh>I mean like config.h
03:54<erikh>not -O2
03:55<pwnguin>well its late and i need to go to the dmv tomorrow
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06:02<Dreamer3>ok so which DC is kind of the "fastest" form average US? :)
06:02<Dreamer3>i'm setting up a new box
06:04<Dreamer3>do you even get to pick anymore?
06:05<Dreamer3>tasaro: any thoughts?
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06:06<amitz>uh, a command, I forgot what.
06:07<Dreamer3>i'll try this
06:10<amitz>Clorith: yeah, that one.
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06:12<Dreamer3>do i want 64-bit or 32-bit?
06:13<fuzzie>You almost always want 32-bit. 64-bit uses more memory, etc.
06:14<amitz>Dreamer3: unless you have large memory, maybe the 1440 package.
06:15<Dreamer3>i'm going with 1440 32-bit :)
06:15<Dreamer3>we'll see hwo it works
06:16<amitz>well, and also consider this and that :-)
06:17<amitz>now that you actually want to use 1440, I must qualify my statement :-).
06:17<amitz>btw, you can buy larger plan. Just ask.
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06:29<checkers>personally I'd recommend 32bit for any linode under 4gb
06:30<checkers>for a real machine I'd recommend 64-bit at a much lower number though, probably 2gb (which is the minimum any machine would have, so I'd recommend 64-bit always for physical machines)
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07:30<JshWright> Ed McMahon... Farrah Fawcett... Michael Jackson... Billy Mays.... Where does it end?
07:34<HoopyCat>miley cyrus
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07:47<HoopyCat>"I was at a McDonalds and I paid $10 and these guys gave me one burger and fries that's it, man.” "Sir, this is not a 911 emergency; 911 is only for life and death situations."
07:49<HoopyCat>(later, after a number of similar calls) "Oh my God, the lady at McDonalds has a gun pointed at my head. Send a cop right now." "Does she have a gun pointed at your head?" "Yup. You're going to send me a cop." "Yes, I'm going to send you a cop."
07:50<JshWright>Hope he got tazed...
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07:52<HoopyCat>merely arrested, and he never even got a chance to eat the $10 burger and fries
07:52<JshWright>(the lack of tazing I mean, not the missed meal)
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07:54<HoopyCat>this, by the way, was in oregon
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08:06<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: dallas77 in System and Network Status <>
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08:14<obscurite>Yaakov: eh, still can't reach my dallas linode
08:16<obscurite>Yaakov: several boots in the queue just sitting there
08:17<obscurite>Yaakov: Isn't this blow-by-blow account just riveting
08:17<row>Is there any way to credit ones account via nother cc so lets say if people are sharing a linode they don't need to use people like paypal to split the bill?
08:17<obscurite>okay, it's up
08:18<JshWright>row: opening a ticket would probably be the quickest way to find out
08:18<@tasaro>row: Account -> Make a Payment -> change credit card -> Make a Payment
08:18<row>yeah could do that suppose
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08:19<row>we were using paypal but I am not going to send paypal my damn passport and bank statements (copies) via fax.
08:21<@irgeek>row: Opening a ticket will get you pointed to the Make A Payment link in the Linode Manager.
08:21<@irgeek>Should have read furthers.
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08:22<row>irgeek :P
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09:42<Yaakov>Ook. Oook.
09:43<amitz>at the moment, no love in the air..
09:44<amitz>my mistake, sorry.
09:45<amitz>yeah mwalling, I trust you. Now swallow this nice pink capsule please. :-)
09:49<mwalling>!urmom vote 822 up
09:49<linbot>mwalling: Yo momma's so fat, she played hide-and-seek and they kept looking for other kids behind her! (738:0/0) [mruom]
09:49<mwalling>!urmom vote up 822
09:49<linbot>mwalling: Voted 822 up [rmmou]
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09:53<linbot>freedumMan: Yo momma's so fat she jumped in the air and got STUCK. (719:2/4) [murmo]
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10:07<jtsage>grah. this is gonna send me over the edge...
10:08<jtsage>my ssh client is freezing for about 4-5 seconds every minute. specifically at the :38 mark... (it was the :47 mark last friday)
10:09<jtsage>no doubt it is a case of dropped packets somewhere, but it looks like it's not on my local network, so I can't fix it :)
10:10<Yaakov>jtsage: Is there a cron job running every minute?
10:10<amitz>!urmom vote 719
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10:10<linbot>amitz: Yo momma's so pedantic, she opened a trouble ticket to request a correction to a previous yo momma joke (725:0/0) [omrum]
10:10<amitz>!urmom vote 719 up
10:10<linbot>amitz: Yo momma's so fat they mistook her for the ninth planet! (723:0/1) [mrumo]
10:11<Yaakov>Hello, tychoish.
10:11<amitz>!urmom vote up 719
10:11<linbot>amitz: Voted 719 up [rmmuo]
10:11<jtsage>Yaakov - good question. i don't believe so, but checking into it now...
10:11<freedumMan>what does the "vote up" do?
10:12<chesty>votes it down
10:12<Pryon>someone voted us up the joke
10:12<mig5>set up us the bomb? :)
10:12<linbot>Yaakov: Current solar flux: magnetic 1.09e+02 nT (GOES-12), xray 3.73e-09 W/m^2 (GOES-10)
10:13<amitz>my guess, to make it more likely to come out.
10:13<Yaakov>!wx kord
10:13<linbot>Yaakov: [metar] OBS at KORD: 71.6F/22C, visibility 10 miles, wind 16.11 mph (altimeter: 29.61) [KORD 291351Z 28014KT 10SM FEW045 22/11 A2961 RMK AO2 SLP022 T02170111]
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10:13<jtsage>ahhh.. but, ntpd is firing about once a minute. and one of those servers is resolving incredibly slowly. that may be something...
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10:15<armbruster>guys, i'm confused with sftp. i'm trying to jail a user in sftpd, with
10:15<armbruster>useradd -s /bin/false -d /home/felix felix
10:16<armbruster>and when you try to login as that user, you get this error:
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10:16<freedumMan>armbruster, i just did this last night setup sftp
10:16<armbruster>'I/O Error: Unexpected end of sftp stream'.
10:16<armbruster>freedumMan: how'd you do the jailing?
10:16<freedumMan>armbruster, chrootdirectory in sshd_config
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10:17<mig5>someone distract me from the server migrations i'm doing
10:17<mig5>it is 12:15am and I am not into it
10:17<mig5>yes, i very well may be
10:18<mig5>Summer is a very long way away unfortunately
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10:18<freedumMan>armbruster, also make sure your ssh daemon version is at least 4.8
10:19<armbruster>freedumMan: thank's, I'm trying it all now.
10:19<freedumMan>armbruster, awesome im here to help
10:19<phennessy>!wx kilg
10:19<linbot>phennessy: [metar] OBS at KILG: 75.2F/24C, visibility 10 miles, wind 13.81 mph (altimeter: 29.55) [KILG 291351Z 31012KT 10SM CLR 24/16 A2955 RMK AO2 SLP007 T02440156]
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10:22<armbruster>freedumMan, I did that, and it makes the user's main directory that.
10:22<armbruster>But they can still access /home, /, etc.
10:22<phennessy>!newercalc 1351 UTC in EST
10:22<linbot>phennessy: urmom
10:23<tjfontaine>!newercalc 13:51 UTC in EST
10:23<linbot>tjfontaine: 9:51 am EDT | Monday, June 29, 2009
10:25<phennessy>!newercalc 24C in F
10:25<linbot>phennessy: 75.2 deg F (degrees Fahrenheit)
10:25<phennessy>!newercalc 16C in F
10:25<linbot>phennessy: 60.8 deg F (degrees Fahrenheit)
10:26<phennessy>awww man
10:27<phennessy>one of our sites just dropped off the intertubes
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10:27<phennessy>and it's back :)
10:27<tjfontaine>buh bye
10:27<phennessy>too quick for nagios, thank god
10:28<freedumMan>armbruster, your sshd config
10:29<freedumMan>armbruster, im assuming you restarted sshd
10:29<@irgeek>armbruster: Which SSH version? ssh -v
10:29<armbruster>irgeek: let me check. freedumMan: and yes.
10:29<freedumMan>irgeek, i informed him it had to be 4.8 earlier
10:29<freedumMan>*earlier in this thread i mean
10:30<@irgeek>jtsage: I'm just going to assume you've run mtr for a few minutes to see if that tells you anything...
10:30<@irgeek>freedumMan: Yes, but he never responded. I was trying to drive home the idea he should actually check.
10:31<@irgeek>Since I pointed him at the same article last night...
10:31<armbruster>I'm running OpenSSL 0.9.8g.
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10:31<@irgeek>ssl != ssh
10:31<armbruster>oh, wait. i think i just got it.
10:31<jtsage>irgeek - yes. it tells me that comcast is dropping about 1 in 20 packets - at their gateway. and curiously, it is just about exactally every 20th packet... wierd.
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10:31<freedumMan>armbruster, sshd -V
10:31<freedumMan>mine says OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5ubuntu1
10:31<armbruster>i'm now going to write a tutorial and shell file for other people needing help.
10:31<jtsage>fwiw, this problem only happens when I work from here - from home it's never a problem
10:31<armbruster>i got it to work, freedum.
10:31<armbruster>thanks man.
10:32<freedumMan>what was the issue?
10:32<freedumMan>just curious
10:32<freedumMan>hey dont thank me since irgeek is the man !
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10:35<LordLandon>Oh hey guys, sorry about UberBoogerBot if he's been bothering you X=
10:35<LordLandon>It's mine.
10:35<@irgeek>Hasn't bothered me.
10:36*LordLandon accidentally restarted his linode instead of his laptop, so I wasn't connected to irc.
10:36<LordLandon>irgeek: (=
10:36<freedumMan>LordLandon, he hit me im mad
10:36<@irgeek>Even kept me from getting rick-rolled on one ocassion.
10:36<LordLandon>freedumMan: I'll ask him not to, in the future.
10:36<freedumMan>LordLandon, tell him I'll kick his ass next time
10:36<LordLandon>irgeek: C=
10:36<LordLandon>freedumMan: will do.
10:37<LordLandon>He does a bunch of useful things, but doesn't have a help command.
10:38<LordLandon>He's got a quote keeping thingy, a calculator, the youtube preview thingy, tinyurls, Objection things, translation, bacon...
10:38<freedumMan>UberBoogerBot, I love u
10:38<Peng_>UberBoogerBot: botsnack
10:38<Peng_>which I originally typed "boysnack". :D
10:39<LordLandon>If you guys want, I can load the AIML module, and you can talk to it q=
10:39<@irgeek>Bacon? I'm intrigued.
10:39<freedumMan>I got a few choice words with him
10:39<Peng_>jtsage: ntpd is doing what once a minute? It only resolves hostnames once, at startup. (OK, maybe the pool stuff changes that.)
10:40<@irgeek>Mmmm. Bacon.
10:40<LordLandon>You could use %mb for short, if you want to catch people off guard (=
10:41<jtsage>Peng_ - it's polling every 64sec. it was just a hopeful - i stopped it from running, and it made no difference. I'm mostly sure that it is a upstream network problem - not much I can do about that.
10:41<LordLandon>It works on the last url mentioned in the channel.
10:42<Peng_>Wait what
10:42<@irgeek>LordLandon: As long as the last thing mentioned was Google?
10:43<LordLandon>irgeek: hmm..
10:43<Peng_>What's with the tinyurling?
10:43<LordLandon>Opps, sorry, I messed up the regex dealing with that : of the private message.
10:43<@irgeek>Mmmm. PETA with bacon!
10:44<@irgeek>Peng_: To trap the unwary. At least that's what I'm assuming.
10:44<freedumMan>LordLandon, be cooler to move the bacon around
10:45<LordLandon>freedumMan: isn't mine )=
10:45<freedumMan>LordLandon, ahh ok then
10:46<@irgeek>I should make PETA with bacon my homepage.
10:46<@irgeek>See if their webmaster notices the log entries.
10:46<LordLandon>%reload webstuff
10:46<freedumMan>irgeek, or just make bacon
10:46<LordLandon>fixed (=
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10:47<@irgeek>GIS for PETA yields the worlds worst pr0n.
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10:48<LordLandon>Okay, so, for quotes there's %quote and %addquote... for google calc (which linbot does, so you don't need it) there's %gcalc, for translation, there's %gtr
10:48<LordLandon>%gtr en ru I like pie!
10:48<UberBoogerBot>Мне нравится пирог!
10:49<krmdrms>%gtr en tr Hi!
10:49<krmdrms>nice :D
10:49<jtsage>hrm. i wan't a job doing graphic design for PETA. some of that crap is hysterical.
10:49<freedumMan>%gtr en es I love UberBoogerBot
10:49<UberBoogerBot>Me encanta UberBoogerBot
10:49<LordLandon>There's %tiny, that gives you a tinyurl of the last mentioned url...
10:50<LordLandon>You can /msg UberBoogerBot obj some text and get an objection thingy
10:50<freedumMan>LordLandon, you got a doc page i can bookmark
10:50<LordLandon>freedumMan: nope x.x
10:50<@irgeek>jtsage: You could sneak in some covert bacon.
10:50<LordLandon>There's %wiki that *sort of* works.
10:51<jtsage>heh. indeed. sadly, the KFC campaign button is not working right now.... he'd look better with bacon eyebrows
10:51<Peng_>That's slightly pointless. For %tiny to work, the URL must have come through ungarbled, in which case it's not necessary to TinyURL it. :D
10:51<mwalling>LordLandon: "quotes"?
10:51<@irgeek>For pasting on other channels!
10:51<LordLandon>Peng_: well, I found it useful at the time, using a terminal detached from where I was browsing, (i.e. phone or so) and it's easier to use a tinyurl.
10:52<LordLandon>Than to type the whole thing.
10:52<UberBoogerBot>[92] <@Aleksi> Arj, spoiled brat ;D
10:52<UberBoogerBot>[117] BRB, going to hack light post.
10:52<LordLandon>%quote 129
10:52<UberBoogerBot>Quote not found!
10:52<LordLandon>%quote 123
10:52<UberBoogerBot>[123] <= sell your used MP3s!
10:52<linbot>The rules: (#1) ignore aaronyy, (#2) ignore b4, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole
10:52<@irgeek>He quotes spammers?
10:53<LordLandon>%addquote < linbot> The rules: (#1) ignore aaronyy, (#2) ignore b4, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole
10:53<LordLandon>%quote 180
10:53<UberBoogerBot>[180] < linbot> The rules: (#1) ignore aaronyy, (#2) ignore b4, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole
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10:53<mwalling>what quote?
10:53<LordLandon>mwalling: hmm?
10:54<@irgeek>LordLandon: You're cheating. You know where the quote ends up in the list.
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10:54<LordLandon>irgeek: it notices you the number
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10:54<LordLandon>It also says it in #booger, if you feel like idling there.
10:55<@irgeek>I get exhausted just idling here.
10:55<LordLandon>(#booger is it's debug stuff channel, so you'd see your attempts to break it earlier lead to it just erroring there)
10:56<@irgeek>I wasn't trying to break it. I was trying to add bacon to PETA.
10:57<LordLandon>no, i mean yesterday or so
10:57<@irgeek>Because really, what better use is there for bacon than plastering it all over PETA.
10:57<LordLandon>people were trying to break it's youtube thing q=
10:58<armbruster>is there any way i can transfer files locally onto my linode without using sftp?
10:58<@irgeek>Type them into the console?
10:58<mwalling>armbruster: what are you trying to do?
10:58<armbruster>like, is it possible to do a wget /path/to/local/file?
10:59<Peng_>armbruster: Type the the files out into the console. Impractical if they're large and not text, of course...
10:59<Peng_>armbruster: :D
10:59<@irgeek>Connect to the console, open a file and start typing.
10:59<armbruster>no, no, no.
10:59<armbruster>let's say this:
10:59<armbruster>i have on my computer.
10:59<armbruster>i want to put it in /familyvideos on my linode.
10:59<@irgeek>Peng_: Base64 solves the non-text problem.
10:59<armbruster>i don't want to use sftp.
10:59<LordLandon>What's wrong with scp?
10:59<JshWright>armbruster: are you looking for "cp"?
10:59<Peng_>irgeek: Base85 is where it's at.
11:00<Peng_>armbruster: Why do you not want to use sftp? What about scp?
11:00<armbruster>i've never tried scp.
11:00<JshWright>armbruster: you're just trying to move a file locally on a linux box?
11:00<armbruster>and sftp's just really slow here.
11:00<armbruster>jshwright: yes.
11:00<JshWright>then either cp or mv
11:00<armbruster>move a file locally TO a linux box.
11:00<JshWright>cp copies the file, mv moves it
11:00<mig5>right, so not locally
11:01<armbruster>i have a file locally, and i want to move it onto my linux box.
11:01<mig5>not what you're thinking JshWright.
11:01<LordLandon>armbruster: you're on a mac.
11:01<mig5>armbruster: scp localfile user@remoteserver:/familyvideos/
11:01<armbruster>lordlandon: yes.
11:01<@irgeek>armbruster: scp -cblowfish moviefile.mpg linode:
11:01<LordLandon>Open a terminal, and do what mig5 said.
11:01<armbruster>oooh. okay, thanks.
11:01<Peng_>Use scp -p to preserve the mtime and permissions! :D
11:02<@irgeek>armbruster: Add the -cblowfish
11:02<@irgeek>It's a faster cipher.
11:02<Peng_>tjfontaine: For one file?
11:02<tjfontaine>if you're worried about metadata
11:02<armbruster>scp localfile -cblowfish user@remoteserver:/familyvideos/
11:02<Peng_>tjfontaine: Ah.
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11:02<freedumMan>armbruster, rsync is your friend
11:02<tjfontaine>also it can resume, scp can't
11:02<mig5>armbruster: put the -cblowfish before localfile probably.
11:02<armbruster>rsync is used how?
11:03<Peng_>Does the cipher really make a difference on some random consumer Internet connection?
11:03<@irgeek>armbruster: options (-cblowfish) come before filenames
11:03<mig5>wow it's busy here in the early aussie hours..
11:03<Peng_>(If that consumer isn't in Sweden or Japan or whatever...)
11:03<freedumMan>man rsync
11:04<freedumMan>or "rsync -avz filename hostname:/web/filename"
11:04<@irgeek>Peng_: I've found that it does help. Not always a huge amount, but for largish files it
11:04<@irgeek>it's useful.
11:04<tjfontaine>if you need blowfish for rsync the way is: rsync -e "ssh -cblowfish" -avP ...
11:05<freedumMan>gezz blowfish encryption, what you uploading gov files
11:05<armbruster>ah, okay.
11:05<@irgeek>I just stick it in ~/.ssh/config so I never need to think about it.
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11:10<mig5>wow conversation context in laconica is awesome
11:11<mig5>always wanted to see something like that on twitter
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11:19<utahcon>Is this an appropriate place to ask about the linode network?
11:19<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
11:20<utahcon>Good to know. Are there any known issues with Linode networks in Dallas? My Linode is very slow to respond, but all seems well on my server it self.
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11:23<utahcon>traceroute shows all is fine, but it has been intermittent all morning.
11:23<@irgeek>utahcon: We've not heard anything about problems and no alarms in our monitoring.
11:24<armbruster>in vim, how do i save and exit?
11:24<@irgeek>The entire page takes about 3s to load for me.
11:24<Bdragon>esc :wq
11:24<mig5>armbruster: :wq
11:25<Bdragon>or esc :w! cr :q if it's a readonly file but you're the owner...
11:25<@irgeek>utahcon: It looks like the delay for me is all in the main page.
11:25<@irgeek>Maybe a query that's taking a while?
11:26<utahcon>I was having a rough time in SSH this morning too.
11:26<utahcon>If there was nothing on Linode side I will look through my stuff. Thanks!
11:27<JshWright>Bdragon: :wq! also works
11:27<utahcon>JshWright: :qw! will ignore changes if the write fails.
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11:28<JshWright>Doesn't even give me a chance to disagree...
11:28<Bdragon>I don't like :wq! because of the data loss possibility
11:29<Bdragon>BTW, does :browse confirm e work on all gvim or just the windows version?
11:29<JshWright>I've never experienced data loss with :wq!
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11:30<JshWright>if I don't have write permissions, it just tells me so...
11:30<mwalling>i just use ZZ
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11:38<@irgeek>Buh bye!
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11:41<@irgeek>So if I give you a song do I get to pick 3 1/2 relatives I get back?
11:42<armbruster>guys, any idea why apt-get install phpmyadmin isn't working?
11:42<armbruster>it's giving me the package not found.
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11:42<samexxon>hi everyone
11:42<@irgeek>apt-get update && apt-get search phpmyadmin
11:42<samexxon>i have problem with logging in into my account , can anyone help me ?
11:43<@irgeek>s/apt-get search/apt-cache search/
11:43<@irgeek>samexxon: What's the problem?
11:43<samexxon>i've registered , friday afternoon iguess
11:43<samexxon>but my account doesn't login as of yet
11:43<samexxon>what might be the problem ?
11:44<samexxon>at first i thought i couldn't recall the password , so i've changed it twice , but i still have no luck
11:44<armbruster>Registered where?
11:45<samexxon>i keep getting this error -- Login incorrect or session timed-out --
11:45<samexxon>i thought it might be related to cookies and such stuff , i tried a windows box
11:45<samexxon>and used IE , with no luck
11:46<mwalling>is your login correct?
11:46<samexxon>i thought it's because of the weekend , so i waited till now
11:46<rHn>samexxon: tried ?
11:47<samexxon>that was my firs guess
11:47<samexxon>i've tried it already , my username is samexxon , and i've changed my password twice
11:47<@tasaro>samexxon: one sec
11:47<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful community.
11:48<mwalling>!f mwalling
11:48<linbot>mwalling: mwalling is the resident asshole
11:48<@tasaro>samexxon: get my pm?
11:48<scott><linbot> Error: You must be registered to use this command.
11:48<samexxon>you said one sec
11:48<mwalling>samexxon: no, its in a different window
11:49<mwalling>samexxon: he said "one sec" here in the channel
11:49<Peng_>scott: Yeah. For some stupid reason, aliases require registration.
11:49<Peng_>scott: /msg linbot help register or something.
11:49<scott>im not seling my soul to register with linbot
11:49<mwalling>Peng_: its not aliases, its say
11:49<mwalling>Peng_: echo aliases work fine
11:49<Peng_>mwalling: Ah. That actually makes sense.
11:50<tjfontaine>mwalling made sense?!
11:50<mwalling>tjs mom?
11:50<Peng_>scott: You're in luck, then, since there's a special this week. You only have to sell your firstborn child, not your soul.
11:50<Peng_>What's the difference between echo and say?
11:50<mwalling>one echos, one says
11:50<mwalling>!echo foo
11:51<Peng_>So echo says it with a big echo?
11:51<Bdragon>this talk of say makes me think of BeOS
11:51<mwalling>help echo
11:51<mwalling>!help echo
11:51<linbot>mwalling: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
11:51<chesty>say what?
11:51<mwalling>!help say
11:51<linbot>mwalling: (say <channel> <text>) -- Sends <text> to <channel>.
11:51<mwalling>Peng_: see the difference?
11:51<Peng_>That's interesting.
11:51<Bdragon>difference is say lets you do it in a different channel
11:52<LordLandon>%vomit foo
11:52<Peng_>Echo sounds more useful than say, since you don't have to hardcode the channel.
11:52<Peng_>Bdragon: Thanks. That's a concise explanation for why say requires registration and echo does not. (Really, no sarcasm or anything. i hadn't figured it out.)
11:53<Peng_>I am so not going to go switch all of linbot's aliases from say to echo, though....
11:53<Peng_>All of this crap is only necessary because the stupid infobot died.
11:54<mwalling>the factoid database?
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11:54<Peng_>mwalling: Yeah.
11:55<LordLandon>Those infobot things, do they just look for _____ is ____ and store it?
11:55<Bdragon>that's the basic premise, yeah
11:55<mwalling>supybot's syntax is $BOTIDENTIFIER learn foo as foo is sexy
11:56<mwalling>(where $BOTID is either its ! or its nick)
11:56<LordLandon>If you can find me a list of those cases, or sorta explain them to me, I can stick it into UberBoogerBot (=
11:56<SelfishMan>!urmom mwalling
11:56<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so stupid, she ran 'find . -user mwalling | xargs rm -v' in /home/mwalling (774:12/2) [omrmu]
11:56<SelfishMan>!urmom mwalling
11:56<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so unpleasant she makes mwalling look like Miss Congeniality. (822:2/0) [mmuor]
11:57<mwalling>LordLandon: we have a factoid bot
11:57<SelfishMan>!urmom vote up 822
11:57<linbot>SelfishMan: Voted 822 up [mmuro]
11:57<mwalling>!f how many linodes share a host?
11:57<LordLandon>mwalling: oh, i thought it died.
11:57<linbot>mwalling: How many Linodes share a host? We group Linodes of the same plan together onto the hosts. A Linode 360 host has no more than 40 Linodes on it. A Linode 540 host has no more than 30. Linode 720 host: 20 Linodes; Linode 1080 host: 15; Linode 1440 host: 10; Linode 2880: 5.
11:57<LordLandon>I guess linbot does that now E=
11:57<SelfishMan>!help f
11:57<linbot>SelfishMan: (f <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "factoidbot $*".
11:57<SelfishMan>!help factoidbot
11:57<linbot>SelfishMan: (factoidbot <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web title$nick&q=$*".
11:58<SelfishMan>LordLandon: linbot doesn't do it
11:58<Peng_>linbot's factoid database wasn't recovered anything. factoidbot (aka skynet) is some magic b -- hi SelfishMan. :D
11:58<tjfontaine>gotta black magic woman
11:58<Peng_>!f When did you become sentient?
11:58<linbot>Peng_: I became sentient on June 8, 2009 at 07:48 UTC (44.721%)
11:58<Peng_>!f skynet
11:58<linbot>Peng_: an artificial intelligent system created by Cyberdyne Syetems which became self aware and revolted against its creators in the Terminator series of films
11:59<Peng_>Referring to yourself in the third-person, eh?
11:59<tjfontaine>quoth the raven, nevermore
11:59<SelfishMan>The factoid search method I'm using is great for a search results page but really hard to use in IRC where only one result is required and you can't click links (directly)
11:59<DephNet[Paul]>shouldnt that be "Systems" not "Syetems"?
11:59<Peng_>DephNet[Paul]: That's probably from Wikipedia. Go fixy! :D
11:59<SelfishMan>DephNet[Paul]: It's wikipedia so It's all wrong
11:59<DephNet[Paul]>haha SelfishMan
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12:03<mig5>100 days of uptime, and of being a customer. Thanks :)
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12:07<Yaakov>(AIM push on the iPhone)++
12:07<armbruster>wow, I thought I fixed it, but I guess not.
12:07<armbruster>I get this when I try to log the jailed user into SFTP:
12:07<armbruster>I/O Error: Could not open channel (The connection is being shutdown)
12:08<armbruster>Any ideas?
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12:15<cheque>did the texas DC just die for anyone else?
12:15<tjfontaine_>well semi-dead
12:15<cheque>www too
12:15<cobianet>aye, I can't even get
12:15<tjfontaine_>my ssh connection is alive, but my irssi is lagging like hell :)
12:15<cheque>just came back?
12:15*utahcon uses his linode for irssi too :D
12:15<tjfontaine_>I would venture a guess at a bit of a ddos happening
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12:15<tjfontaine>woo and it's back :)
12:15<cheque>looks like a router is fscked
12:15<rupa>wasj ust coming to complain and now we're back
12:15<cheque>mtr something outside texas
12:15<cobianet>just came back
12:15-!-mode/#linode [-o tjfontaine_] by tjfontaine_
12:15<tjfontaine>I'm going to say it was my ctcp ping that did it
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12:15<checkers>you CTCP PINGed? FOOL!
12:15<tjfontaine>I pity the fool
12:16<jtsage>wooo. problem alert - default gateway/ping.... i might have recovery e-mails turned off though.... and as the e-mail came from that machine...
12:17<r3z>Anything up in Dallas?
12:17<checkers>just fixed itself r3z
12:17<r3z>I noticed.
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12:18<@irgeek>Looks like it was just a brief route flap.
12:18<@irgeek>It wasn't long enough for our monitoring to notice.
12:18<Yaakov>irgeek: urmom looks like... nevermind.
12:19<checkers>that would be insulting if we lived in 50s london
12:19<checkers>bloody yank!
12:19<checkers>actually, yankee doodle might not be offensive anymore, but it's still awesome
12:23<tjfontaine>I think linode staff's ssh->screen->irssi connections should be routed through each DC so that way the see any lag at any dc and then have to figure out where it's happening
12:24<tozz>2.2mb/s from newark, love my new connection ^^
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12:28<r3z>Dallas is starting to level back off now it seems?
12:28<mmlj4>you guys see anything wrong with this?
12:28<r3z>Network sucked for a few minutes.. :(
12:29<@pparadis>mlj4: $20/quarter? yeah, that sounds a bit odd.
12:29<checkers>mmlj4: lack of anything that indicates they are trustworthy, and it's pretty fracking cheap
12:29<r3z>I wouldnt do that work for $20
12:30<@pparadis>i don't think i'd touch a keyboard for $20.
12:30<mmlj4>checkers: who you callin' untrustworthy? and yes, cheap sells
12:30<r3z>Don't think I would trust someone so cheap lol.
12:30<@pparadis>mmlj4: heh, cheap gets peoples' money taken, then they realize they're not actually getting shit for it.
12:31<mmlj4>pparadis: so I'm charging too little?
12:31<@pparadis>_way_ too little
12:31<checkers>how may hours per quarter do you think you'd work?
12:31<Yaakov>FILL UP
12:31<checkers>say they ask for the initial installation and migration from dreamhost, how many hours would that be?
12:31<mmlj4>checkers: after the initial setup? maybe an hour
12:32<r3z>$20\hr is crazy cheap.
12:32<checkers>you value your time rather cheaply :P
12:32<r3z>I charge minimum $100\hr
12:32<mmlj4>no, I value residual income, though
12:32<mmlj4>r3z: as do I, to most of my customers
12:32<checkers>quarterly is residual income?
12:33<r3z>you would need a shitload of customers to worry about your $20\hr being residual income lol.
12:33<checkers>if you want a simple pricing structure, my advice would be flat rates
12:33*r3z pokes grebs in the eye LOL that mofo!
12:33<@pparadis>mmlj4: depending on the admin services you're doing, honestly, $75-100/hour is par for the course.
12:33<Yaakov>I charge a bazillion dollars a femtosecond.
12:33<checkers>"I will migrate you from your existing host for $200"
12:33<r3z>Bleh. That sucks.
12:33<checkers>"I will setup a common web application (wordpress, etc) for $100"
12:33<mmlj4>I've already got a couple of customers, one I"ve had for 1.5 years now... it works for him, it works for me, but then again he's low-maintenance
12:33<SelfishMan>I do more of that dirt cheap work than I should but I'm also a whore
12:34<r3z>Migrations can be a bitch. if they have hacked together shit then it can kill you on costs.
12:34<checkers>sure, that's why I charge per hour when I do this work
12:34<mmlj4>checkers: migration work would be extra, I guess I need to put a line about extras
12:34<checkers>just give an estimate up front
12:34<utahcon>there is nothing wrong with charging less... so long as you don't screw yourself in the process.
12:34<@pparadis>you'll also find that customers who demand the world for very little money turn out to be impossible to work with, because they have no respect for the work that's actually required to do things right.
12:35<mmlj4>pparadis: you just described my other client :-)
12:35<r3z>And you wind up dropping them anyway because they are retarded and do not pay
12:35<tjfontaine>pparadis: no respect, no respect.
12:35<mmlj4>ok, I'm upping to $25
12:35<@pparadis>heh :)
12:35<r3z>mmlj4, good luck! Sure you will get a few customers but they will probably be difficult and a PITA
12:35<checkers>in AUD, I'd up it to 80-100
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12:36<@pparadis>i used to bill customers up to $7K/quarter for what you're promising in that list, and they'd happily pay it.
12:36<tjfontaine>all about your market
12:36<@pparadis>small-midsize business was mine.
12:36<tozz>selling yourself cheap doesn't help anybody
12:36<checkers>you even put your phone number there! are you williing to wake up four times a year at 2am for every customer to fix their stuff?
12:36<@pparadis>hell to f'in no.
12:37<Yaakov>$10/mo per VPS for a fixed number of hours might be good.
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12:37<checkers>pparadis: I do for a neighbor, he pays in crates of vodka though
12:37<tozz>$10 isn't even half an hour
12:37<@pparadis>that works
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12:37<@pparadis>the vodka, that is.
12:37<checkers>24 bottles of jack per hour!
12:38<SelfishMan>$10/mo per VPS is enough to get me to look at the caller ID and decided if I want to answer your call. Answering the call, however, will cost extra
12:38<@pparadis>heh, that's actually pretty expensive.
12:38<Yaakov>Look, I bill at least 160/hr, but I don't do sysadmin work. On the other hand, buy doing the work in bulk, you might be able to get away with it. I would require standard installations (done by me).
12:38<checkers>yeah, I don't think many taxes are paid
12:38<mmlj4>Yaakov: again, after the first month, there's very little work I have to do (updates? 5 minutes a week... big deal)
12:38<@pparadis>if you're going to price it low, you've got to be very specific about what the customer is and isn't getting. they can pay extra for additional services.
12:38<mmlj4>pparadis: reload the page?
12:39<Yaakov>mmlj4: You are underestimating the ability of a customer to find things for you to do.
12:39<Yaakov>hrm... s/buy/by/
12:39<mmlj4>Yaakov: quite possibly
12:39<@pparadis>mmlj4: honestly, why aren't you charging _at least_ a couple of hundred bucks per quarter for that?
12:39<@pparadis>do you not like money or something?
12:40<mmlj4>oh, I do
12:40<Yaakov>OK... firmware upgrade...
12:40<@pparadis>what you're describing on that page will not scale, i assure you.
12:40<mmlj4>but let me ask you... someone buys a $20/mo. linode, do you think he's going to pay real money for someone to run it for him?
12:41<@pparadis>people understand paying for an actual human being to provide services.
12:41<checkers>if you were to make $average-wage (AUD55k), you'd need at least 120 customers
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12:41<mmlj4>checkers: this isn't my main gig, it's just a potential extra bit of cash
12:41<@pparadis>why do businesses hire technical employees? they need work done, and don't know how to do it themselves, or don't have/want to have the time to do it.
12:42<checkers>you still get to charge like its your main gig :)
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12:42<Mike899>Hi there
12:42<Mike899>we are experiencing problem with dallas132
12:42<Mike899>i am the only one?
12:42<jdb>i just setup two linodes in the same DC with private IPs but I can't ping from one to the other, any ideas of how I should go about troubleshooting
12:43<SelfishMan>jdb: add the IPs to eth0 and be sure to reboot the nodes after you add them in the control panel
12:43*checkers heads off to sleep
12:43<jdb>I must reboot? can't just /etc/init.d/networking restart?
12:44<@irgeek>jdb: Also, note that the netmask for private IPs is *not*
12:44<@pparadis>you must reboot
12:44<checkers>mmlj4: FYI, my weekend gig is fixing people's computers at their home, which I do for a fw hours a month, and I charge AUD$60/hr.
12:44<jdb>what should the netmask be?
12:45<@pparadis>, it's on your linode's network info page.
12:45<tjfontaine>!newercalc 60AUD in real money
12:45<linbot>tjfontaine: Wolfram Alpha error: 500 read timeout
12:45<tjfontaine>!newercalc $60 AUD in real money
12:45<mmlj4>in real life, I charge $100 per hour for commercial customers. I understand, trust me
12:45<linbot>tjfontaine: Wolfram Alpha error: 500 read timeout
12:45<tjfontaine>!newercalc $60 AUD in USD
12:45<linbot>tjfontaine: urmom
12:45<mmlj4>I'm with you guys, trust me
12:46<tjfontaine>!f $60 AUD in USD
12:46<linbot>tjfontaine: This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
12:46<tjfontaine>ok, fine, FOAD
12:46<tjfontaine>!newcalc $60 AUD in USD
12:46<linbot>tjfontaine: You broke teh goog!
12:46<mmlj4>but I'm also cognizant of the fact that if I charge something close to what a VPS costs, I'll probably get clients
12:47<@pparadis>you'll get clients regardless if you offer a good service, the question is what kind of client do you want.
12:47<jdb>pparadis thanks
12:47<mmlj4>pparadis: aye
12:49<Mike899>sorry but I have a really big "void sector" in the graph of one my server on dallas132
12:49<mmlj4>fair enough, point taken
12:49<Mike899>are you sure the there is no problem about it?
12:50<linbot>Yaakov: [mtr] 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 39.6ms
12:50<Mike899>mtr it's ok
12:50<mmlj4>prices raises
12:51<tjfontaine>Mike899: what's the time space on the void sector
12:51<@irgeek>Mike899: There was a route flap or something but it cleared up.
12:51<tjfontaine>I can't imagine it was large enough to show up in bw graphs though
12:52*tjfontaine checks his own
12:52<Mike899>just 20 minutes ago
12:52<Mike899>and two minute ago
12:53<tjfontaine>ok, well yes, there is a gap on some but not all of my dallas nodes, but nothing to be worried about, indeed it was just as irgeek mentioned a route flap
12:53<tjfontaine>existing connections didn't die for me
12:54<linbot>SelfishMan: [mtr] 9 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
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12:54<SelfishMan>looks like it isn't just a route flap
12:54<tjfontaine>that' just hop 5
12:54<linbot>SelfishMan: [mtr] 8 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 42.2ms
12:54<Bdragon>jiggle the handle
12:54<tjfontaine>it's not responding to icmp
12:54<tjfontaine>there is no loss actually
12:55<SelfishMan>tjfontaine: yep, you're right
12:55<tjfontaine>someone said I was right
12:55<tjfontaine></blind squirrel>
12:56<Mike899>ok, i'm still checking the server
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12:57<Mike899>there is again problem...with all service down we have the server load at 50
12:58<@caker>Mike899: sounds to me like you're swap thrashing. What does "free -m" look like?
12:58<@irgeek>What's your LinodeID?
12:58<Mike899>i had opened a ticket
12:58<Mike899>right now
12:59<Mike899>ticket id 85238
13:00<Mike899>caker: at this time i can't prompt any command
13:00<@irgeek>Mike899: Your IO rate seems to have climbed well above the average. What's likely the cause.
13:00<Mike899>i try to reboot right now
13:01<mmlj4>caker: so what do you think of my hare-brained idea? (and how much does that compete with your service offerings?) # note that I'm still waffling on the monthly charge
13:02<@irgeek>mmlj4: What size Linode does that price cover? You said offsite backups are included. Linode 2880s have 128GB of disk. Each.
13:03<Mike899>irgeek: I suppose that the IO was about swap over using...
13:03<@irgeek>!newcalc $0.15 * 128GB
13:03<linbot>irgeek: You broke teh goog!
13:03<@irgeek>!newcalc 0.15 * 128
13:03<linbot>irgeek: 0.15 * 128 = 19.2
13:04<Mike899>probably occourred after route flap occourred's possible?
13:04<@irgeek>That's what S3 will charge to store that. For a month.
13:04<mmlj4>irgeek: good point.
13:04<@caker>mmlj4: $200/year? I think you're going to lose money, bigtime
13:04<mmlj4>caker: I'm going after the little fish, mainly
13:05<@caker>sentiment applies x1000 then, in that case
13:05<mmlj4>um, wait, either my wording is wrong, or your math is... it's supposed to read $price per month
13:05<JshWright>KellyNet will do all of the above for $50 USD, paid quarterly.
13:06<JshWright>quoth ur site
13:06<mmlj4>right, i worded wrong
13:06<mmlj4>$150 per month
13:06<mmlj4>or quarter, bah
13:06<mmlj4>I need sleep
13:07<@caker>still -- $50/month is $1.64 per day. You're smoking crack :)
13:07<mmlj4>quite possibly
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13:08<@caker>You need to set some limits on that
13:08<mmlj4>I thought I did
13:08<@caker>like "no exceeding 4 hours admin time -- additional admin time charged at $75/hr" or something
13:09<@caker>could use this as a loss leader for your other services
13:09<mmlj4>initial setup, that takes time... after that, what? updates, add an email target once in a while? big deal
13:09<@caker>but please set some restrictions else get taken
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13:09<freedumMan>I setup a relatives pc's when repairing them as Linux so I can rsync to multiple locations offsite
13:10<freedumMan>its a handy way to backup my data at no extra cost
13:10<@caker>mmlj4: "zomg, I need some email addresses added", "ok, now I need phpuke installed", "oh, I know: I want to open an ebay like store..."
13:10<@caker>Yaakov: y0!
13:10<mmlj4>yeah, understood
13:11<freedumMan>what happened to linode on freenode ?
13:11<linbot>New news from forums: What do you use your Linode for? in General Discussion <>
13:12<@pparadis>mmlj: i like the current price/quarter a lot better.
13:12<@pparadis>heh, i read your address as "codifier" at first :).
13:13<@pparadis>lemme go ahead a codify urapps right quick, yessiree you'll be on the interwebs in not time sonny.
13:13<Yaakov>New news, how novel.
13:13<@pparadis>News for Linoders, Stuff That May Actually Matter
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13:14<HoopyCat>hooray, got the lawn mowed
13:14<@pparadis>insert urmom joke ^^^
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13:14*caker mowed urmom's lawn
13:14<@pparadis>there it is
13:14<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so fat even Bill Gates couldn't pay for her liposuction! (809:1/0) [momru]
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13:14<@irgeek>mmlj4: Swap the backup language to configuring it. The actual storage should be extra.
13:14<@irgeek>Otherwise you're going to get taken to the cleaners.
13:15*HoopyCat unloads urmom's service
13:15<SelfishMan>freedumMan: They got smart and realized that the actual community is on OFTC
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13:15<@pparadis>maybe include some base amount of storage. you might want to check out for some pricing ideas.
13:15-!-mode/#linode [-o tjfontaine] by tjfontaine
13:15*HoopyCat loads urmom's service
13:15<armbruster>jesus, i'm so confused with all this. chrooting isn't working good at all.
13:15*pparadis services urmom
13:15<armbruster>what's the best way to host a friend's site without giving him access?
13:15<freedumMan>SelfishMan, lol i mean it dropped off line
13:15<SelfishMan>armbruster: FTP
13:15*SelfishMan ducks
13:15<@pparadis>do his configs for him? ;)
13:15<armbruster>but FTP's insecure.
13:16*pparadis slaps SelfishMan
13:16<armbruster>SFTP's better, but it just doesn't seem to do what I need it to do.
13:16<HoopyCat>armbruster: define "host a friend's site" and "without giving him access"
13:16<SelfishMan>FTP with SSL isn't insecure, it's just not robust
13:16<freedumMan>armbruster, what does it not do?
13:16<HoopyCat>armbruster: having him tar up the stuff and mail it to you would solve the problem :-)
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13:16<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: works like poo through firewalls
13:16<@pparadis>if you're having trouble with the sftp jail config, start over and work through it slowly.
13:17<SelfishMan>sftp jails are rather simple unless you actually try to make them work
13:17<SelfishMan>Hint: sftp-internal is essential
13:17<freedumMan>armbruster, which distro are u running
13:17<SelfishMan>Interactive SSH jails are more of a problem though
13:17*SelfishMan resumes working on his backuping service
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13:17<@pparadis>i think he just wants sftp, not interactive shells.
13:18*freedumMan wonders what SelfishMan has had this morning
13:18<SelfishMan>freedumMan: urmom. She was better than usual.
13:18<@caker>recent openssh supports the ChrootDirectory directive
13:18<@caker>google it
13:18<freedumMan>SelfishMan, sucks to be u...if you seen my mom you wouldnt say that
13:19<mmlj4>"Contract assumes a set number of hours (2) of administration work will be performed per month. Work exceeding 2 hours per month will be charged at a rate of $100 per hour. A grace period exists to allow for initial setup of VPS during the first month." # better?
13:19<@caker>grace period is ambiguous
13:19<@caker>So, that's 160 hours the first month, right?
13:19<mmlj4>I'm working on the wording; regardless, once the first month is gone, so is the grace period
13:19<mmlj4>heh, yeah :-)
13:20<SelfishMan>urmom is ambiguous
13:20*caker considers hiring mmlj4 @ $1.64/day
13:20<HoopyCat>urmom is urmom
13:20*HoopyCat implode
13:20<freedumMan>SelfishMan, nope you said my mom too late for u now
13:20<@caker>HoopyCat: heh
13:20<@caker>sup dawg, I heard you like urmom.
13:21<SelfishMan>so I've put urmom *inside your trunk* dawg
13:21<@irgeek>armbruster: pastebin your sshd_config
13:21<freedumMan>SelfishMan, here she is
13:21<@pparadis>it hit it
13:21<SelfishMan>armbruster: wget -O - -q --post-file=/etc/ssh/sshd_config
13:22<HoopyCat>armbruster: apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
13:22<SelfishMan>freedumMan: tjfontaine's mom:
13:22*HoopyCat looks at SelfishMan sternly
13:22<mmlj4>you're right, I took that entire clause out
13:22<freedumMan>SelfishMan, lol
13:22<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: Why do you hate my freedom?
13:22<@pparadis> she is _really
13:23<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: why do you hate the american way of life?
13:23<freedumMan>shes ok
13:23<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: DIE AMERICAN PIG!
13:23<@pparadis>why do you hate america so hard?
13:24<@mikegrb>mmm cake
13:24<HoopyCat>pparadis: take that photo to the bakery and have them print it upon a bundt cake
13:24*pparadis makes a note to schedule an appointment for SelfishMan with the Ministry of Truth.
13:24*HoopyCat works on Household Hints column
13:24<freedumMan>where u from SelfishMan
13:24<@pparadis>HoopyCat: is it okay if the photo is slightly used by the time i get to the bakery?
13:24<@mikegrb>mmm cake
13:24<HoopyCat>pparadis: wait for the cake, man... wait for the cake
13:25<HoopyCat>speaking of which, priority 4 ticket to feed 15g of kibble to the cats... mumble mumble robots can do my job mumble mumble
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13:26<@pparadis>HoopyCat: your cats know this, and will be replacing you with a robot as soon as a suitable model is available.
13:26*irgeek thinks armbruster has him on /ignore
13:26<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: Can you make the robot twitter controlled?
13:26<SelfishMan>@hoopycatbot FEED TEH KITTEHS!
13:28<@irgeek>I'm Billy May! Here to tell you about the twitter-kitter-critter - the worlds first twitter-controlled robot deigned to feed your cat!
13:28<@irgeek>Too soon?
13:28<tjfontaine>06/25/2007 - Identica updated to 0.8dev <-- Experiencing issues? See if they're being worked on here.
13:28<tjfontaine>06/22/2009 - Laconica 0.7.4 released.
13:28<mmlj4>thanks, guys, for vetting my idea
13:28<SelfishMan>SpaceHobo: I actually run it on a site
13:28<@pparadis>mmlj4: some UI considerations: the Home link should be at the top of the nav panel, and you may want to make Tux a link to the home page as well.
13:28<armbruster>sorry, i was busy.
13:28<@pparadis>i was busy with urmom
13:29<armbruster>HoopyCat & irgeek: I'll post it again.
13:29<SelfishMan>Twitter is great for free text messages during that 12 minutes per day when they work
13:29<mmlj4>pparadis: thanks, I'm consider it
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13:29<tjfontaine>SpaceHobo: yes thanks for coming to the party :)
13:30<SelfishMan>oh dear god the hobo lol'ed
13:30*freedumMan DAMN ... * #linode :You're not channel operator
13:30<SelfishMan>damn keyboard
13:30<SelfishMan>pparadis: nah, it's the keybord
13:31<SelfishMan>The left side has issues
13:31<@pparadis>maybe your keyboard should have a "command" button on it.
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13:31<SelfishMan>I prefer not to pay twice as much for half the hardware
13:31*SelfishMan hdies
13:31<@pparadis>ooohhh burn.
13:32<SelfishMan>ok, that was pebkac
13:32<@pparadis>i prefer to get twice the amount of work done cause my OS gets out of the way ;)
13:32<SelfishMan>mmlj4: "Linode and Slicehost" but not mt or fsckvps?
13:33<@pparadis>do you really want him to try supporting MT customers?!?
13:33<SelfishMan>I just migrated a site from mt to linode
13:33<SelfishMan>simple site that took about six hours to migrate
13:33<@pparadis>that's the path, then... migrate from MT and he'll support you :)
13:33<SelfishMan>I cried
13:34<@pparadis>or he'll support migrating you from MT.
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13:35<SelfishMan>I need a new project
13:35<Yaakov>SelfishMan: You can be an unpaid intern for me.
13:36<armbruster>irgeek, SelfishMan: i'm pastebinning now. just a second.
13:36<armbruster>but before I do, is chrooting the only and best solution to keeping my friend's wanderous eyes out of the other server files?
13:36<SelfishMan>mmlj4: mediatemple
13:37*irgeek loses interest
13:37<SelfishMan>armbruster: define "server files"
13:37<Yaakov>irgeek: Get a better investment.
13:37<armbruster> /etc, /var, etc.
13:37*irgeek invests in Summer Glau
13:37<SelfishMan>a chroot will certainly keep them out of those dirs
13:37<@irgeek>Now that's interesting!
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13:38*pparadis starts packing up to move into irgeek's office if he's getting a piece of summer glau.
13:38<mmlj4>anyhow, I use both linode and slicehost myself, I'm not really interested in supporting an envoronment I'm not familiar with, not at these prices anyway
13:39<straterra>What prices?
13:39<SelfishMan>I would so prefer dushku over glau
13:39<@pparadis>one-fitty per quarter
13:40*irgeek hands mmlj4 a fifty
13:40<mmlj4>too cheap, but also too expensive for most users
13:40<@pparadis>SelfishMan: negative, summer's got just enough of that girl next door look.
13:40<@irgeek>Fix mah stuffs, punk!
13:40<Karrde>no u
13:40<mmlj4>I lik ethe loss-leader idea, though
13:40<SelfishMan>pparadis: The whole dead and cold automaton thing just sticks in my head too much and kills it for me
13:41<Relentless>woot! asus eee pc for 180 after tax and shipping
13:41<@irgeek>SelfishMan: Dead & cold = not upset when you don't bring her flowers!
13:41<@pparadis>SelfishMan: i can see that, but i just have a thing for the approachable but hot and nerdy girls.
13:42<SelfishMan>mmlj4: Money is money. Decide what your time for this extra stuff is worth and charge accordingly. Don't be afraid to fire a bad customer or invoice for work above and beyond (notify them before you start the work).
13:42<SelfishMan>but then again, I am a whore
13:42<freedumMan>i have to go you guys are eating away my workday with chatter
13:42<@pparadis>DONT LEAVE US
13:42<peter_>hi what's suggest linode for Rails apps? seems the 360 is not enough, mongrels etc slow down a lot
13:42<SelfishMan>freedumMan: get a job!
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13:42<@caker>peter_: plenty of people use 360s for rails apps
13:42<freedumMan>hey my mom says hi SelfishMan
13:42<@caker>tuning is the key, grasshopper
13:42*SelfishMan departs to fetch food to inhale
13:43<@pparadis>peter_: we can't make specific recommendations on individual setups, but you probably want a 540 or better if you're doing anything serious (again, probably)
13:43<armbruster>SelfishMan, irgeek: The chrooting is working, but I run into this: Even though the user owns the directory and it's 777, this error still happens when you try to do anything (upload, execute, download, etc.): The user does not have sufficient permissions to perform the operation.
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13:43<freedumMan>armbruster, ouch 777, does that user own that directory?
13:43<@irgeek>Reading FTW! "The directory in which to chroot() must be owned by root. After the call to chroot(), sshd changes directory to the home directory relative to the new root directory. That is why I use / as home directory."
13:44<armbruster>Actually, I just tried setting the directory as 777, and I get this error when I try to login as the user: Could not open channel (The connection is being shutdown)
13:44<peter_>thaks pparadis
13:44<armbruster>I have it owned by root, too.
13:44<armbruster>Should I not have all the user directories in /var/www-hosted?
13:45<@irgeek>mkdir /home/user/junk/ && chown user junk
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13:45<tjfontaine>root got owned
13:45<@pparadis>i chowned urmom's junk
13:45<@irgeek>The user can now write to junk.
13:45<freedumMan>root owns junk?
13:45<@irgeek>pparadis: I keep urmom's junk in *my* trunk
13:45<@pparadis>that's outstanding
13:45<Dan_K>any opinions on shorewall as a firewall control script?
13:45<@irgeek>No. chown ***user*** junk
13:46<tjfontaine>irgeek: what are you going to do with all that junk in your trunk?
13:46<@pparadis>although if i were you i'd reverse that...
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13:46<@irgeek>tjfontaine: Bring da funk!
13:46-!-amitz [~amitz@] has joined #linode
13:46<tjfontaine>irgeek: Imma get get you drunk
13:46<@pparadis>we gonna get crunk up in here
13:46*caker is cakerlicious
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13:46<tjfontaine>Andypoo: moo
13:47<Andypoo>tjfontaine: Yup!
13:47<armbruster>When I try to login as the user, I get this error: Could not open channel (The connection is being shutdown)
13:47*freedumMan caker likes cake
13:47<amitz>did I miss the answer to my question: what is "2 ways" in "2 ways 3.6 GHz xeon"?
13:47<tjfontaine>you're not as cool as your bot, she at least responds
13:47<armbruster>Don't know how to dix.
13:47<Andypoo>I'm much further away.
13:47<HoopyCat>amitz: onions and cheese
13:47<Andypoo>Accessing OFTC in the US via an ssh screen in Australia from Estonia..
13:47-!-Dan_K [] has quit [Quit: moving on]
13:48<tjfontaine>Andypoo: pain
13:48<Andypoo>tjfontaine: I just stumbled across some logs from 2004.
13:48-!-LanceHaig [] has joined #linode
13:48<Andypoo>of Andycow, in here :)
13:48<Andypoo>So thought I'd come in and check it out :P
13:48<amitz>HoopyCat: I don't think that's a good combination :-)
13:48<armbruster>irgeek: I'm crazy confused. This just isn't working.
13:48<tjfontaine>Andypoo: so what you're saying is, in your downtime you google for andycow?
13:48<Andypoo>hehe. I was bored.
13:49<Andypoo>I can't believe she's still running.
13:49<Andypoo>And still "idling" nonetheless.
13:49<tjfontaine>providing hours of endless entertainment
13:49<Andypoo>Indeed :)
13:49<tjfontaine>we also enjoy zug zug zug zug
13:49<HoopyCat>amitz: actually, i have just been informed that a two-way is chili atop the spaghetti
13:49-!-azaghal [] has joined #linode
13:49<Andypoo>Is he still here too?
13:49<Andypoo>Oh wow, indeed.
13:50<Andypoo>hehe, weird channels.
13:50-!-kupesoft [] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
13:50<Andypoo>I wonder if I should make her remember what channels she was on after a restart.. But it feels weird to touch something written 6 years ago.
13:50<Andypoo>Or 10, or whatever it was.
13:51<tjfontaine>if it aint broke
13:51<Andypoo>I wonder if she's even on a working hard drive.
13:51<amitz>HoopyCat: sounds good. I have a certain allergy to an unidentified material in spaghetti so I can only imagine :-).
13:51<Andypoo>The machine she's in is slowly dying away.
13:52<HoopyCat>man, and she's so close to levelling up in the IRPG too...
13:52<tjfontaine>probably just stuck in memory
13:52<Andypoo>tjfontaine: Did you know you have said "heh" around Andycow 931 times?
13:53<Yaakov>dngor hates andycow.
13:53<Andypoo>HoopyCat: I was just looking at her log there :)
13:53<tjfontaine>Andypoo: andycow keeps those kind of logs?!
13:53<Andypoo>tjfontaine: She doesn't keep chat logs.
13:53<tjfontaine>trigger logs?
13:53<Andypoo>But she keeps an out of order log of popular words and phrases people say.
13:54<tjfontaine>I laugh a lot, mmk
13:54<Andypoo>So you can't really put a conversation together.
13:54<Andypoo>But you can get some interesting facts.
13:54<tjfontaine>how many networks is andycow on?
13:54<@irgeek>armbruster: All you're doing is saying it doesn't work. People have asked you to do several things but you ignore that and go on saying it doesn't work. Let me know when you're willing to cooperate and I'll try to help.
13:54<Andypoo>3 or 4.
13:54<Andypoo>I'm not sure if those networks still exist though :)
13:54<Andypoo>Andycow might have outlived some.
13:55<Andypoo>Trying, desperately, to recnnect for many years.
13:55<tjfontaine>old irc networks never die, they just become CnCs
13:55<Andypoo>You know about the "be like" command right?
13:55<@pparadis>i wanna be like mike
13:55<@pparadis>oh wait...
13:55<tjfontaine>I did not know andycow could do much more than follow triggers
13:56<mmlj4>SelfishMan: good advice. thanks.
13:56<tjfontaine>it's all news to me
13:56<Andypoo>She can't, really.
13:56<HoopyCat>at least one network has split itself apart in an attempt to rid itself of Andycow... 'tis the origin of AFnet
13:56<Andypoo>HoopyCat :)
13:56<Andypoo>Well, OFTC was born during Andycow's lifetime.
13:56<Andypoo>I believe.
13:56<mmlj4>what? AndyFreeNet?
13:57<Andypoo>She's quite a simple bot. Yet still proves to provide moments of sheer amusement.
13:57<@pparadis>quick! but it now from a domain broker!
13:57<Andypoo>ha :)
13:57<tjfontaine>I did at one point get andycow, zugbot, and another long gone bot stuck in a battle of recursion
13:58<Andypoo>Anyway, the "be like" command just pulls a random quote from the quotes database that that user said in the past :) Could be dangerous :P
13:59<tjfontaine>I'm very interested now
14:00<HoopyCat>14:00 rtucker andycow: be like mwalling
14:00<HoopyCat>14:00 +Andycow i tell it to use wUnderground's photo feeds
14:00*mwalling shrugs
14:01<mwalling>i never say wUnderground, too lazy to hit shift
14:01<HoopyCat>not exactly the world's largest corpus
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14:03<@pparadis>mwalling: i am going to buy you a gift for valentine's day next year.
14:04<SelfishMan>armbruster: 777? wtf?
14:04<mwalling>pparadis: awww, wont your signifigant other not like that?
14:05<@pparadis>she doesn't have to know about us. don't tell your wife, either.
14:05<mwalling>she might be here though
14:05<SelfishMan>armbruster: /home must be owned by root and /home/user must be owned by the user. Set your chrootdirectory to %h(?) and chmod 711 /home/user
14:06<amitz>Andypoo: oh, and here I thought I'm creating something new.. making a bot that can impersonate others.
14:06<Andypoo>amitz: I have better bots for that. :-)
14:06<@pparadis>armbruster: i highly recommend documenting the steps you're taking to get a working setup so you can avoid this in the future :)
14:06<Andypoo>(than Andycow)
14:06<Andypoo>The Scientists did that.
14:07<amitz>hmm am I missing a subtle information here? which scientists?
14:07<Andypoo>Oh, no, it was ImmaBot.
14:08<Andypoo>No, just another bot or two you haven't met :) From Andycow's family.
14:08<@pparadis>this one:
14:08<SelfishMan>damn scrollback
14:10<amitz>Andypoo: put it here :-)
14:11<Andypoo>hehe, nah :) It's not suited for big networks :P
14:11<Andypoo>And would potentially be more irritating than Andycow.
14:11<mwalling>Andypoo: #moocows?
14:11<amitz>Andypoo: oh, requires controlled input?
14:11<Andypoo>Lots of people to consider in this channe ltoo :)
14:11<Andypoo>amitz: No, that's the problem ;-)
14:11<Andypoo>It would just be weird.
14:12<SelfishMan>I applied an ignore rule to andycow a long time ago
14:12<amitz>oh, you mean it can learn the wrong (naughty) way :-)
14:12<amitz>given how love is abound in this channel :-p
14:12<Andypoo>amitz: It knows everything that Andycow knows.
14:13<Andypoo>SelfishMan: Yah, Andycow gets annoying when other people start to abuse her, or after a netsplit :P
14:13<Andypoo>*gets annoying quickly
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14:14<Andypoo>arooni-mobile: Hi!
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14:15<Andypoo>^GaveUp^: Today is a good day to join #lionde.
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14:15<tjfontaine>you loaded andycow into yourself?
14:15<silverblade>the VSP for dyslexic people
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14:16<Andypoo>tjfontaine: :)
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14:17<Andypoo>silverblade :D
14:17<tibbreg>if booting a 32bit DomU on pv-grub, is there any (dis)advantage to using pv-grub-x86_32 vs pv-grub-x86_64? both seem to work ...
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14:17<silverblade>join our ICR channel!
14:19<chesty>but i'm not a german lion
14:19<silverblade>but are you a german loin?
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14:23<Andypoo>nine? :P
14:24<silverblade>ah, nein.
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14:34<armbruster>guys; is it possible to set it so that an user may only read/write into a certain directory?
14:36<SelfishMan>armbruster: I hear that openssh has a chrootdirectory directive that makes that possible
14:36<armbruster>oh, really?
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14:38<armbruster>basically, just 000 on everything except /path/to/folder.
14:38<armbruster>is that possible without chroot?
14:38<silverblade>isnt that what a chroot is? maybe/?
14:38<SelfishMan>armbruster: chroot is the correct solution
14:38-!-River-Rat is now known as RiverRat
14:39<LordLandon>chmoding everything 000 is a wonderful idea
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14:40<SelfishMan>armbruster: If you are still unable to configure a chroot then perhaps you should hire someone to do it for you
14:40<freedumMan>I'll help
14:40<armbruster>i'm about to configure it, it just doesn't seem like the correct solution.
14:40<armbruster>*i'm able
14:40<SelfishMan>You've been fighting with chrootdirectory for several hours now
14:40<silverblade>ok well it sounds like you want to restrict access so only one directory may be accessed
14:41<SelfishMan>Don't take this the wrong way, but based on that I would say you are not able
14:41<silverblade>which is, afaik, a chroot :D
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14:41<SelfishMan>silverblade: a chroot literally makes everything about the chroot not exist
14:42<silverblade>so i guess that does no favours for /bin hmm
14:42<SelfishMan>silverblade: exactly
14:42<silverblade>what about a busybox install for each user in their own chroot?
14:42<SelfishMan>for sftp only you don't need anything outside of the user home
14:42<silverblade>(and this is why i like being king of my linode, because i have root access so can access eeeveerryytthhinnggg)
14:43<SelfishMan>silverblade: you still need any and all libraries that may be used by busybox
14:43<freedumMan>SelfishMan, !urmom
14:43<silverblade>cant it be statically built
14:43<SelfishMan>sure, which is why I said "any and all"
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14:44<SelfishMan>freedumMan: do it yourself
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14:44<jdub>anything funny going on with dallas77?
14:44<@caker>it's been a bad boy today, jdub
14:44<freedumMan>SelfishMan, no your not my dad, or are u?
14:44<jdub>caker: ahr :-)
14:45<chesty>besides urmom?
14:45<Yaakov>caker: /msg (no rush)
14:45<@caker>jdub: it's likely that if this continues we'll move the disks to different hardware
14:46<silverblade>make sure the server doesnt cry.
14:46<jdub>caker: interesting that this has happened after recent bizaare i/o pain too
14:46<J-Node>Knock on wood, my node is still happy. Running about 25ms from Dallas to Austin
14:46<J-Node>Would probably be faster if I didn't bounce through Houston to get there though...
14:47<tjfontaine>ha ha austin
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14:49<J-Node>Hey, it *used* to be a really nice town. Before all those durned furriners moved in.
14:50-!-kuber [] has joined #linode
14:50<@irgeek>Oh. Nevermind.
14:50*LordLandon read furries too
14:50<linbot>New news from forums: rejecting e-mail from my server in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
14:50<J-Node>Yeah, furry furriners.
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15:01<freedumMan>im out Peace fella's
15:01*LordLandon waves to freedumMan
15:01<freedumMan>SelfishMan, stop screwing my mom u sick bastard
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15:02<freedumMan>LordLandon, later
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15:05*KingTarquin drums his fingers on his keyboard
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15:05<DephNet[Paul]>TheDevil (Y)
15:06<DephNet[Paul]>fancy seeing you here TheDevil
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15:08<Pryon>KingTarquin: that's annoying. Please stop.
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15:09<KingTarquin>Pryon, Sorry :(
15:09-!-mdcollins [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:10<Pryon>KingTarquin: In real life, there's a guy about 10 feet away with headphones on listening to music I don't know. He's singing. Badly. I *wish* he was tapping his fingers.
15:10<Pryon>There's no nice way to say "your singing makes me want to die"
15:10<KingTarquin>Pryon, Just go over and pull out his headphones, and slap him on both ears at the same time.
15:10<KingTarquin>AKA, Tango'ing
15:11<mwalling>Pryon: sounds like you need
15:12<Pryon>KingTarquin: hahaha.
15:12<UberBoogerBot>^ == Advert - Tango Orangeman uploaded by Comrade71. [Durration: 0:40] [Views: 214,628] [Rating: 5.0]
15:12<mwalling>LordLandon: thats getting old.
15:12<Pryon>Hmmm. Does UberBoogerBot dereference tinyurls?
15:13<LordLandon>mwalling: want me to turn it off?
15:13<SelfishMan>LordLandon: yes
15:13<LordLandon>Pryon: could make it
15:13<SelfishMan>I'm not sure how that bot has survived this long in here
15:13<LordLandon>irgeek: said it didn't bother him, and he found it useful..
15:13<chesty>whereas urmom thrives
15:14<LordLandon>and it does lots of other things besides the youtube thing
15:14<Pryon>That's a nice tank
15:14<mwalling>Pryon: we got 2 of them
15:14<Pryon>does it hurt if it shoots you in the face?
15:15<SelfishMan>chesty: hey, people keep playing with urmom so who am I to sto them?
15:15<LordLandon>%reload webstuff
15:15<LordLandon>It wont respond on it's own now.
15:16<UberBoogerBot>^ == Advert - Tango Orangeman uploaded by Comrade71. [Durration: 0:40] [Views: 214,628] [Rating: 5.0]
15:16<LordLandon>will trigger it
15:16<mwalling>LordLandon: you said it does %wiki? whats that do?
15:16<mwalling>wikipedia or
15:16<LordLandon>tries to convert things into a wikipedia url, and if it doesn't exist search for it
15:16<LordLandon>%wiki house greg
15:17<LordLandon>yeah, it's sorta broken |=
15:17*LordLandon hasn't bothered to fix it recently
15:18<mwalling>(3:19:03 PM) Seth: pyron: you don't have admin to his computer do you?
15:18<mwalling>(3:19:11 PM) Seth: replace music w/ something horrible
15:18<@pparadis>never gonna give you up
15:18<@pparadis>never gonna let you down
15:18<mwalling>(seth is the coworker i shot in the teeth :)
15:19<mwalling>(3:19:33 PM) Seth: there is a site w/ very realistic puking sounds for example
15:19<chesty>now I just need a bot to say %youtube whenever someone posts a youtube ink
15:19<@pparadis>never gonna turn around and $@#@# NO CARRIER
15:20<LordLandon>chesty: that's exactly why i let it auto-say it.
15:20<LordLandon>because it's just an extra useless line for someone to say %youtube
15:20*irgeek misses the old BBS days when typing +++ATH0 would make people with crappy modems disconnect.
15:21<@irgeek>Er. +++ATH
15:21<@pparadis>that's off the hook, yo!
15:21<Yaakov>irgeek: Today it is DCC Start Keylogger
15:21<Karrde>oh dear
15:21<LordLandon>So, youtube preview thingy on or off?
15:21<Yaakov>Of course the +++ATH would not work on a True Hayes™.
15:22<chesty>damn patents
15:22<@pparadis>I actually use Dennis Hayes _as_ my modem.
15:22<@pparadis>took a while to figure out where to put the serial cable.
15:23<LordLandon>pparadis: hax
15:23<mwalling>Pryon: arial invasion
15:23<Yaakov>I prefer Times New Roman invasion.
15:24<mwalling>die bitch.
15:24<chesty>know know, be nice
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15:32<txwolf>sheesh i missed him
15:32<txwolf>heyas yaakov
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15:34<HoopyCat>tibbreg: i wouldn't think there would be too much of a functional difference between the 32-bit and the 64-bit pv_grubs if you're booting a 32-bit kernel underneath, if they both work; i'd stick with the 32-bit, just because of how my luck is
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15:34*HoopyCat returns from lower scrollbaccia
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15:36<Cezz>silent room ?
15:37<HoopyCat>more of an interlude of quiet introspection, really
15:39<Cezz>can someone answer a really stupid question?
15:39<Cezz>Beat me to my point :P
15:39<Cezz>well done :P
15:40<Pryon>what is your *real* stupid question?
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15:41<Cezz>the 12 months payment term, is this 12months upfrount or minimum 12months of payments (I.E contract?)
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15:41<DephNet[Paul]>TheDevil, didnt you want to report someone for "deformation of character"?
15:42<Pryon>Cezz: the former
15:42<DephNet[Paul]>Cezz, 12 months up front
15:43<jtsage>why don't they make bacon-cheddar goldfish crackers? i'd buy those...
15:43<Cezz>as expected, thank you... :D next renewal date with current provider is in a month as will need time to get a new server running for the migration will prob purchase a server on friday!
15:44<Cezz>jtsage so would i that sounds nice :P
15:44<HoopyCat>Cezz: the prorating and refund policies still apply on the 12- and 24-month prepays, although i believe the discount goes away if you cancel mid-run (e.g. to keep the 10% off, you gotta stick around)
15:45<HoopyCat>Cezz: and you can move to the yearly prepays and get the discount down the road, too :-)
15:46<Cezz>HoopyCat: thats a new idea so pre-pay the 12months realise 9months down the line need say dedicated instead get refunded the 3 months - the 10%???
15:47<txwolf>stepped away to the humidor now back and feeling much better
15:47<HoopyCat>Cezz: i believe so, yes
15:47<txwolf>so who is the quickest cleaner in the house for server cleaning lol
15:47<txwolf>heyas mike
15:48<Cezz>Last stupid question: Do Linode offer any referal bonus etc???
15:48<HoopyCat>Cezz: yup... $20 after the referee is around for 3 months. (under "My Profile" will be the magic cookie, once your account is up and going)
15:49<txwolf>had freedumMan do it once but umm it still had a ton of junk on it back then now i just need to clear out some of the non essential junk but am scared lol so if i hire a pro to do it then i wont be so scared lmao
15:49<txwolf>heyas what bout my link he could use it too lmao
15:49<linbot>Why would you steal money from Linode when you didn't refer this person? ;_;
15:50<txwolf>sheesh linbot i was joking thus the lmao hee hee
15:50<SelfishMan>!urmom congeniality
15:50<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so unpleasant she makes mwalling look like Miss Congeniality. (822:4/0) [mmour]
15:50<Cezz>@ HoopyCat: na mate mine already set up with a Linode was going to share storage with him and vice versor.. but then seen how much cheeper linode is than I am paying ATM and considering moving as he is reason moving think she should get the credit :P
15:50<txwolf>nice one
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15:52<HoopyCat>Cezz: go for it... $20 is a few decent beers. :-)
15:53<Pryon>or 5 gallons of homebrew if you're already equipped
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15:56<Karrde>"Compaction in progress. You cannot alter the configuration."
15:56<Cezz>indeed. but have to wait until friday as o2 took double payment so $100 short ATM
15:56<Karrde>Today, I learned to destroy the RAID array before swapping out a disk.
15:56*HoopyCat . o O ( Start homebrewing beer, #QT9P )
15:56<KingTarquin>DephNet[Paul], Looks like that must be a no...
15:56<Karrde>I can't modify _anything_ until this compaction (RAID 5EE) completes.
15:57<Karrde>this is not useful.
15:57<DephNet[Paul]>KingTarquin, must be
15:58<Cezz>until then I can live with the cans of Fosters and bottle of Jack Daniels in the cuboard...
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15:58<txwolf>hey Cezz
15:58<Cezz>hey txwolf...
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15:59<@irgeek>Fosters? SRSLY? Ugh!
16:00<scott>moar beer
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16:00<DephNet[Paul]>Carling FTW
16:00<BP{k}>scott: not just moar .. just beer. .. simply Fosters != beer. but that what emerges from the end of a 'orse ;)
16:00<ijustam>how many concurrent jobs can i do on a make on my linode without upsetting the ecosystem
16:01<bd_>ijustam: any more than four (number of CPUs) and you're wasting cpu time in context switches
16:01<@irgeek>!newcalc rand()
16:01<linbot>irgeek: You broke teh goog!
16:01<bd_>ijustam: depending on how much memory is needed to build your code, you may need less
16:01<Pryon>what bd_ said
16:01<bd_>for C code, -j4 is fine. For C++, maybe -j2
16:01<ijustam>bd_: i usually do 4 on my system, i just didn't know how many would be considered proper on a vm
16:01<bd_>ijustam: Crank it up :)
16:02<Pryon>ijustam: you're isolated
16:02<bd_>the thing to avoid is swapping yourself to death
16:02<bd_>unfortunately certain programs take >500M to link :|
16:02<linbot>--zomg-funroll-loops --ricer-cflags --flail-wildly --moar-disk-thrashing
16:02<bd_>(I'm looking at you, chromium!)
16:02<bd_>so it's prudent to set a ulimit too :)
16:03<bd_>otherwise you may be rebooting once things get out of hand
16:03<@irgeek>Doing an emerge world on a Linode 360 (especially 64bit) will likely invoke the oom-killer with -j4
16:04<@irgeek>I'm just saying...
16:04<@irgeek>Been there, done that.
16:04<silverblade>i prefer to build my gentoo linode at home then ship it over to my linode via scp
16:05<ijustam>i have a debian linode
16:05<ijustam>but i did a dist-upgrade
16:05<ijustam>so i think it's not-so-right
16:05<phennessy>shouldn't your gentoo node be build on the machine it's going to run on for maximum optimizations!?
16:05<tjfontaine>we should all support clang, so that its c++ frontend can become better
16:06<txwolf>yeah im having space issues at the moment myself, try to edit my site files and there is not enough space to save newly configured files so it cleans them to a blank page lol, so i need to get a cleaner as i am total linux nooby booby
16:07<txwolf>is mikegrb a bot??
16:07<txwolf>every five mins or so he just says lolz
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16:07<Cezz>anyone here use any form of control panel??? not fond on them but may need one... I.E. cpanel webmin ISPconfig... don't think worth a $400 license so cpanel out window...
16:07<mwalling>irgeek: !newercalc is W|A, !newcalc is screenscraping google
16:07<mwalling>Cezz: i use vim.
16:07<mwalling>txwolf: no, he responds to lol
16:08<mwalling>to point out how annoying it is.
16:08<Pryon>mwalling is afraid of a truly powerful editor
16:08<mwalling>emacs isnt an editor
16:08<mwalling>emacs is an operating system
16:08<txwolf>i need him on my site in shoutbox haa haa
16:08<Pryon>and a dessert topping
16:09<LordLandon>%addquote < mwalling> emacs isnt an editor < mwalling> emacs is an operating system
16:09<mwalling>that wasnt funny
16:10<linbot>AH HA HA HA HA HA AH HA HA HA
16:10<SelfishMan>LordLandon: your bot sucks
16:11<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
16:11<LordLandon>/fwap SelfishMan
16:11<LordLandon>%vomit !urmom
16:11<ijustam>lots of people here
16:11<linbot>UberBoogerBot: Yo mamma's so ugly, straterra had to chloroform HIMSELF! (797:2/0) [mumro]
16:11<ijustam>linode is growing D:
16:11*mwalling breaks out the /ignore
16:12<phennessy>%vomit /disco
16:12<straterra>My gf is reading over my shoulder and read that joke
16:12<LordLandon>16:12 <@UberBoogerBot> phennessy just tried to vomit.
16:12<SelfishMan>straterra: we all know you don't have a gf
16:13<straterra>I really do
16:13<straterra>We're making potato chips
16:13<Pryon>Hi Grandma straterra. Please box his ears.
16:13<SelfishMan>unless you count the hottie at
16:13<Pryon>oh. gf.
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16:14<Pryon>I guess my brain refused to parse the sentence correctly
16:14<SelfishMan>I really need to just convert into a gallery
16:14<straterra>My gf says she swears I have a gf
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16:14<Pryon>girlfriend['straterra'] : symbol undefined. suggest grandma
16:14<straterra>Why would she lie?
16:14<straterra>You can call and talk to her
16:15<Pryon>Your grandmother sounds hot
16:15<SelfishMan>Me: What are you wearing?
16:15<kethry>straterra: exposing your gf to this lot may not be the smartest id.. i rest my case
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16:15<straterra>It's fine
16:15<straterra>She's cool and open minded
16:15*SelfishMan read that as "easy"
16:15<straterra>kethry: we're making home made potato chips in the deep frier
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16:16<straterra>She isn't easy
16:16<kethry>SelfishMan: i'm cool and openminded. i dare you to say that to BP....
16:16<Pryon>You should probably ignore IRC if you've got 375F oil nearby
16:16<kethry>straterra: ooh nice. save some for me. :)
16:16<straterra>It is 375 :/
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16:16<straterra>she's the one making it..I'm eating it
16:16<straterra>That's the 'we'
16:17<straterra>Good team, eh?
16:17<Pryon>I'm in ur kitchen. Spyin' on ur potato-chip-makin' grandma
16:17<kethry>thats the way it usually works in the BP household, straterra .... i make it, BP eats it.
16:17<straterra>Yeah..i figured you knew all about that relationship dynamic :P
16:18<kethry>straterra: me? *blinks innocently and waves to straterra's gf*
16:18<Pryon>375F is pretty standard for most med-high smoke point oils. No hidden cameras (you need to worry about)
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16:18<straterra>She says "hey!"
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16:19<Pryon>what kind of taters?
16:19<straterra>normal taters
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16:19<phennessy>sweet potato chips are good too
16:19<Cezz>You all know your making me very hungy for potato chips...
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16:20<kethry>you can make 'em with other veg too.. like carrot, beetroot, parsnips
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16:20<kethry>but that might be too much like healthy stuff.
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16:20<straterra>Healthy is bad
16:20<Pryon>beets are best pickled, IMHO (or steamed and buttered)
16:21<Pryon>eat a bunch before giving a urine sample
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16:21-!-mode/#linode [-o tjfontaine] by tjfontaine
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16:22<straterra>So..I can smoke a bowl then eat some beet chips and I'd be ok?
16:22<kethry>Pryon: only ever eaten them plain (cold) or pickled. But got some growing in the garden, so might try em steamed and buttered when they're ready.
16:22<SelfishMan>ew ew ew
16:22<Pryon>kethry: they're very earthy
16:22<Pryon>sweet too, of course
16:22*BP{k} dials the localtakeaway.
16:22<Pryon>straterra: nah, they just make your urine an interesting color
16:23<kethry>Pryon: yep. i like that. One of my fav sandwiches is tongue, mayo and beetroot slices. and not the pickled form either. or if not tongue.. corned beef
16:23-!-MJCS [] has joined #linode
16:23<SelfishMan>cuz tongue and corned beef are so muc alike?
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16:23<kethry>not really, SelfishMan ... but they do both just work in that sandwich.
16:24<kethry>i don't get tongue very often.
16:24<chesty>that wait my gf says
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16:24<kethry>chesty: well you need to fix that then!
16:24<SelfishMan>tell me I'm not the only one that thought...nope, i'm not
16:24<@irgeek>My dad is a big fan of tongue. I'm not really OK with the way it look when you pick it up at the store.
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16:25<kethry>irgeek: i buy it ready prepared, tbh, in thin slices.
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16:25<BP{k}>kethry: :P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
16:25<Cezz>Ok thanks guys i was hungry now i am not
16:25<kethry>BP{k}: ok lets go then!!
16:25<Cezz>Tounge= nive
16:25<BP{k}> /away back later ;)
16:25<Cezz>Beatroot i hate
16:26<SelfishMan>Cezz: bacon
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16:26<kethry>oh now bacon is a serious matter
16:26<SelfishMan>that reminds me
16:26*SelfishMan runs off to get some bacon salt
16:26<Cezz>Selfishman: I now have to go eat a bacon roll now
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16:27<Cezz>out of intrest what is everyone's time?
16:27<Pryon>!newercalc total number of time zones
16:28<linbot>Pryon: urmom
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16:30<SelfishMan>!f how many time zones are there?
16:30<linbot>SelfishMan: A time zone is a region of the earth that has uniform standard time, usually referred to as the local time. By convention, time zones compute their local time as an offset from UTC (see also Greenwich Mean Time). Local time is UTC plus the current time zone offset for the considered location.
16:30<SelfishMan>you suck
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16:32<Pryon>it's a-mee!
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16:32*Pryon barely avoids stereotype in front of appropriate person
16:33<SelfishMan>pygmalion: Blame Nintendo for teaching you that
16:33<Pryon>I do, swordfishman
16:35<LordLandon>swordfishman C=
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16:35*SelfishMan doesn't get it
16:36<SelfishMan>What do you call a happy cherry?
16:36<Pryon>Speaking of which, I wonder if the new wii punch-out is networked. ISAGN.
16:36<SelfishMan>A merry cherry!
16:36<SelfishMan>oh, laffy taffy, how far you've fallen
16:36<Yaakov>Hello, txwolf.
16:37<Pryon>SelfishMan: yeah, but you still have laffy taffy, so you're ahead of the game
16:37<SelfishMan>nah, I only have laffy taffy wrappers
16:37<SelfishMan>someone ate all the taffy
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16:40<axod>one of my linodes is not responding to network
16:40<axod>I can login through the console though,
16:40<@caker>axod: which one?
16:40<axod>traceroute stops at
16:41<axod>nothing changed on the box,
16:41<axod>almost out of disk space, but that's usual
16:42<linbot>SelfishMan: [mtr] 2 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
16:42<@caker>axod: pastebin: "ifconfig; route -n; iptables -L -n" please?
16:44<linbot>bd_: [mtr] 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.6ms
16:44<bd_>it has privnet support? nice
16:44<axod>sorry, just started a cmd... how do I ctrl+c in the ajax console :/
16:45<mwalling>ssh to the host
16:45*mwalling ducks
16:45*mwalling has always found ajaxterm to be a laggy hack anyway
16:46<@caker>Ajaxterm is a nice gimmick, but no substitute for direct lish
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16:47<@irgeek>axod: After a quick look it appears your have panic-on-oom set and it's rebooted several times in the last few days. If I had to guess I'd say you're close to that again.
16:47<axod>ouch ok
16:48<axod>I thought it would probably be that,
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16:48<axod>in that case I'll reboot
16:48<axod>just wondered
16:48<SelfishMan>I would look at what is making it OOM
16:48*caker guesses that damn mibbit thing
16:51<axod>yeah reboot fixed it
16:51<axod>lol @ caker
16:51<axod>that server just does image thumbnailing
16:52<axod>nothing too critical
16:52<axod>it's been running out of memory for months
16:52<axod>never seen it stay up but network down though - which is what confused me
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16:54<Huitzilopochtli>is linode at rackspace
16:54*ajmitch would interpret that as "no"
16:55<krmdrms>rackspace 0wns you
16:55<SelfishMan>rackspace killed my mother
16:55<HoopyCat>urmom killed your mother
16:55*HoopyCat implode
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17:02<Flash>hello gentelman
17:02-!-Flash is now known as Guest12
17:05<Guest12>have a question about redandancy: can I have 2nd linode as a clone?
17:06<Guest12>what difference between backup and clone than?
17:06<@caker>whatever you make it
17:07<Guest12>excuse me?
17:08<@caker>indeed -- can you elaborate on your question a bit?
17:09<mwalling>Guest12: you can have a second linode thats fresh, or you can clone an existing linode. all syncronization after you clone it is your responsability though
17:09<Guest12>sure: Linode has both functionality: backup and clone. Since clone is a copy of current, I quite not understand of difference.
17:09<mwalling>linode gives you props like the unmetered backend network and failover ip address to do your magic, but you need to perform the tricks
17:10<Guest12>ok, what's the best HA setup would you recmmend?
17:11<Huitzilopochtli>i guess you need 2 linodes, in case someone drives a truck into Linode
17:12<mwalling>i dont do HA, i just parrot what i know
17:12<SelfishMan>"best HA"???????
17:12<Huitzilopochtli>what are you magically trying to make HA ?
17:12<linbot>New news from wiki: User:Kangaby <>
17:12<JshWright>mwalling want a cracker?
17:12<mwalling>nom nom nom
17:12<SelfishMan>Huitzilopochtli: That's why there are multiple DCs
17:13<@caker>SelfishMan: yeah -- apt-get install high-availability
17:13<SelfishMan>caker: That's only in debian 5
17:13<Guest12>very funny
17:14<SelfishMan>Guest12: There really is no "best HA" solution because the solution varies with the needs
17:14<mwalling>Guest12: it depends on your needs. there is no b... damn you SelfishMan
17:14<mwalling>SelfishMan: i hate you.
17:14<SelfishMan>mwalling: <3
17:14<mwalling>no. </3.
17:14<SelfishMan>mwalling: <3
17:15<mwalling>fine. #include "halfheart.h"
17:15<Guest12>how about this: 1 primary linode, 1 additional with IP failover with same DC, 3rd in different DC switch by DNS in case DC down
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17:15<mwalling>that works, if that fits your needs
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17:16<@caker>Guest12: sounds good to me
17:16<SelfishMan>changine DNS can be painful in some situations and great in others
17:16<mwalling>you're going to need to sync to the 3rd linode though, and that is $
17:16<SelfishMan>hmmm....must get new laptop
17:16<Guest12>good, can I use clone to copy my app to 2 & 3rd linode?
17:17<SelfishMan>disk cloning is an offline operatoin
17:17<mwalling>clone clones a linode. its like taking a harddrive out of a machine, duplicating it to another hard drive, and reinstalling both drives.
17:17*SelfishMan looks for the irssi script that requires hitting enter twice to send
17:18<bd_>disk cloning really ought to use a snapshot for atomicity :|
17:18*bd_ looks at caker
17:19<@caker>it will post backups
17:19<Guest12>so I can clone primary linode to 3rd linode in different DS right?
17:20<SelfishMan>I'll have straterra give you a lapdance when that feature is implemented
17:20<SelfishMan>Guest12: yes
17:20<@caker>Guest12: clone doesn't care which DC the nodes are in
17:21<chesty>clone isn't HA, though
17:21<Guest12>got it, thank you. can I clone primary once a week or do you have any plugin for that or any sync for daily?
17:21<@caker>oh man
17:21<@caker>you want to use rsync or something for that kinda thing
17:22<mmlj4>yeah, rsync
17:22<mwalling>Guest12: cloning is like taking a hard drive out of a machine and putting it into one of those duplicator gizmos
17:22<mwalling>Guest12: if you're trying to do a HA setup, thats kind of counterintuitive, isnt it...
17:23<mwalling>(if anyone !setups me, i'll smack you)
17:23<SelfishMan>redundancy, failover and ha are not the same things
17:24<Guest12>if I do clone once a week or clone 1st time and than sync would it be the same?
17:24<silverblade>when you are made redundant, and fall over, then people go ha
17:24<linbot> <-- push it. now.
17:25<bd_>Guest12: Data-wise, the same. The layout on disk would of course be different.
17:25<mmlj4>Guest12: honestly, it depends on how much loss you're willing to endure, or how out of sync you want the two hosts to be
17:26<mmlj4>can you sync them nightly? hourly? it's your call
17:26<bd_>Guest12: cloning copies data down at the block level. It takes time proportional to the amount of total (free+used) space.
17:26<bd_>and you need to shut down to do it (until post-backups)
17:26<Guest12>oh, I need to shut down in order to clone???
17:26<bd_>Guest12: rsync copies only changes and does not require a shutdown. it's much faster, and the only real difference you might see is inode numbers are different
17:27<bd_>Guest12: well, you can clone without shutting down, but the result of the clone will be corrupted.
17:27<@caker>Guest12: if you want a good copy, yes -- and for the duration of the clone operation. If that sucks, use rsync
17:27<Guest12>I got, elimenate prev question...
17:30<Guest12>question about backup: does it stored in same DC?
17:30<chesty>even when fully running?
17:31<@caker>chesty: yup.
17:31<@caker>off site backups /may/ be available for an additional cost...
17:31<Yaakov>I use S3 for off-site backup.
17:32*SelfishMan hides
17:32<Yaakov>He said MAY.
17:32<chesty>I use my desktop
17:32<@pparadis>i backed up urmom
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17:32<SelfishMan>pparadis: There isn't enough storage available to back her up
17:32*Solver sucks the data from the linode back to the office
17:32<Huitzilopochtli>i just cp /var/lib/mysql /tmp
17:33<Huitzilopochtli>that's ok right ?
17:33<@caker>is it ok that you copied a directory? sure
17:33<SelfishMan>It workef for the aztecs
17:33<chesty>you want to cp /dev/null /var/lib/mysql
17:33<@caker>if it ok if you expect that to be a workable mysql copy? : not likely
17:33*SelfishMan wonders if maybe it isn't the left site of the keyboard but the left hand instead
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17:38<chesty>caker: re mass storage, what if you tc'ed the ethernet interface to the speed of the disk IO, used fair queueing. it would be slow, but consistently slow regardless of load? (just thinking out loud)
17:38<@caker>disk IO is not a constant
17:39<mwalling>import random
17:39<@irgeek>import antigravity;
17:39<new_customer>hi quick q, what do i have to do to activate my new account
17:39<@irgeek>Gah! Too much obj-c code this weekend.
17:39<Guest12>Yaakov: what soft do you use for backup to S3?
17:40*caker is backuping
17:40<Yaakov>I use cakersoft.
17:40<Yaakov>Actually, right now I use simple scripts with tar. I planned on using rdiff-backup but I haven't had a chance to implement it.
17:41<Guest12>why no beta linode backup?
17:42<mwalling>bd broke it
17:42<SelfishMan>did he forkbomb it?
17:43<chesty>factoid failure
17:43<new_customer>thanks mwalling
17:44<Yaakov>!f helpful mwalling
17:44<linbot>Yaakov: mwalling is the resident asshole (70.669%)
17:45<SelfishMan>!urmom mwalling
17:45<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so unpleasant she makes mwalling look like Miss Congeniality. (822:4/0) [omrum]
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17:46<erikh>sounds like latin.
17:47<mwalling>sheesh, i must have scared him off
17:47<chesty>i'm surprised he got ignored by the ops
17:48<@caker>I already activated him :)
17:48<chesty>ah ;) nice
17:48<SelfishMan>geez caker, what took so long ;_P
17:48<SelfishMan>I fail at typing
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17:50<Guest12>does backup free/paid is available now?
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17:58<Yaakov>Guest12: Backup is slowly and carefully becoming a reality.
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17:59<chesty>i tried to backup my linode once, but i couldn't find the reverse switch
17:59<Yaakov>I, for one, wold not want to be the one to say, "here's a *backup* service". I shudder at the thought.
18:00<Yaakov>But, I am happy for the crazy *and* competent caker and crew who *are* willing to say that.
18:00<chesty>that's what eula's are for ;)
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18:00<Pryon>When I first saw a picture of one of those storage boxen I thought it was the grille from a wrecked car
18:01<chesty>got a link?
18:01<Pryon>lemme see
18:02<chesty>reverse engineering linodes business model one gif at a time
18:05<mwalling>caker's twitpic
18:05<chesty>i'm not following caker, is it @caker ?
18:06<mwalling> and
18:06<Pryon>Please note that I wasn't looking at it directly. There may have been beer involved.
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18:07<Pryon>And I still wanna know what these do:
18:08<Yaakov>Is that the new MacBook?
18:08<@caker>fridge sensor
18:08<chesty>the hard drives are packed in tightly
18:08<Pryon>Yeah, I can read that. What, exactly are they sensing about the fridge and what do they do with it?
18:08<@pparadis>fridgesense(TM) mikegrb
18:08<mwalling>Pryon: i have one sucker
18:09<Pryon>Are you a handicapped cephalopod?
18:09<@pparadis>mwalling wishes he had fridgesense... oh, wait.
18:09<Yaakov>mwalling: That's because you are not a squid.
18:09<SelfishMan>what exactly is the fridgesense? I seem to have missed that convo
18:09<Yaakov>I am waiting for the silicon version. Thermistors, feh.
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18:09<Pryon>Apparently it's a dark secret man was not meant to know wot of
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18:10<@pparadis>i had to do unspeakable things to learn about it.
18:10<Pryon>Would you have done those things anyway?
18:10<@pparadis>probably :(
18:10<mwalling>mikegrb! arise and plug your product!
18:10<chesty>someone has an unhealthy addiction to coke
18:10<dsal>Has anyone managed to get karmic koala running on linode?
18:11<SelfishMan>no reason it couldn't
18:11<mwalling>SelfishMan: thats what i said, but dsal says it wont boot
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18:12<SelfishMan>how was it installed?
18:12<mwalling>18:09 < dsal> I'm trying to upgrade an instance to run as a builder and it won't boot. :/
18:13<dsal>I took a 9.04 image and just ran the normal upgrade as described here:
18:13<mwalling>define "wont boot"
18:13<dsal>It fails to load the network driver, then fails to start ssh then just...stops.
18:13<dsal>I'll start one real quick and grab the console output.
18:13<SelfishMan>oh, so you aren't using a standard linode kernel
18:14<SelfishMan>!customhowto is probably relevant then
18:14<linbot>How to deploy a custom distro to your Linode:
18:14<dsal>I suppose I'm not. I'm really just trying to make sure memcached (and related projects I work on) will be ready for koala.
18:15<mwalling>dsal: are you running a pv_grub kernel? or a linode supplied kernel?
18:16<mwalling>linode's kernels have the ethernet drivers built in
18:16<mwalling>(along with everything else)
18:16<dsal>All I did was fresh install, upgrade, boot, fail.
18:16*SelfishMan looks for the "fresh install" button in the linode control panel
18:18<Pryon>It has a picture of Will Smith on it
18:18<SelfishMan>oh snap
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18:18<dsal> + + boot + upgrade instructions at + boot + fail
18:19*Pryon wonders how long a domain will remain unavailable after expiring
18:19-!-Solver [] has quit [Quit: leaving]
18:19<chesty>months, and depending on where it's registered, it might go to auction
18:19<SelfishMan>Pryon: 30 day registrar grace, 90 day ICANN
18:19<Pryon>ah, that sucks
18:20<SelfishMan>you need to backorder it if you want a chance at getting it
18:20<Pryon>I'd prefer the owner wake the fsck up and reactivate it
18:20<chesty>squatters are lovely people
18:20<Pryon>it's not a squatter, but he seems to have fallen off the net :(
18:21<Pryon>So the domain goes stale and stops resolving...
18:21<chesty>no, but it will be a squatter that buys it and tries to extort money from the previous owner
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18:24<schmichael>any suggestions on the best route to backup to s3?
18:24<schmichael>is the fuse deal good?
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18:28<mwalling>duplicity can do it with boto
18:29<schmichael>boto? i thought it supported s3 out of the box
18:30<mwalling>python is the AWS api bindings, which duplicity uses for writing to s3
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18:41<Yaakov>I am using the s3fs stuff and it's been pretty good.
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18:46<peter_>hi, after I choosed a linode location, can I change it?
18:46-!-morficus [] has joined #linode
18:47<Pryon>Your IP address(es) will change, though
18:48<linbot>Linodes can be migrated between datacenters by simply opening a ticket. Your disk images will be copied intact, but you will be issued a new IP address. Once a migration is configured, it makes a button on the dashboard available for you to start the migration yourself. Migration typically takes about 1-3 minutes per GB.
18:48<mwalling>linbot knows all
18:48<mwalling>except how to take a friggin compliment
18:49<linbot>I complimented urmom last night
18:49*mwalling cuts the puppet strings
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18:52<@pparadis>urmom complimented me last night
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18:56<BarkerJr>so you can't copy your disk there and have it waiting for you so as to minimize downtime?
18:57<linbot>Damn, mwalling, you are a moran on a stick.
18:58<chesty>you could if you temporarily buy a second node
18:58<BarkerJr>then you'd need to rsync?
18:58<mwalling>and pay for the bandwidth
18:58<@pparadis>i can't have summer glau on a stick :(
18:59<mwalling>pparadis: there you go sexypants
18:59<@pparadis>you suck bigtime
18:59<BarkerJr>that doesn't sound easy
18:59<@pparadis>but thank you :)
18:59<BarkerJr>but I guess it'd be as good as linode could automate
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19:04<hellohector>wow. who would have thought that you guys would have an irc channel !
19:04<chesty>we also have wave
19:04<krmdrms>hello and good morning
19:04<mwalling>chesty: we do?
19:05<Alucard>what's irc?
19:05<hellohector>wave. cool. we logged into the sandbox the other day, it was so overburdened, kept crashing.
19:05<chesty>mwalling: that's what urmom said, anyway. so it might not be reliable information
19:06<hellohector>so i'm thinking about purchasing linode.
19:06<schmichael>whats the registrar people around here like?
19:06<hellohector>scare me away with horror stories
19:06<chesty>here, have my refer code
19:07<schmichael>Alucard: was that "yes" to namecheap?
19:07<Alucard>schmichael: yes
19:07<schmichael>thanks! :)
19:07<A-KO>I use godaddy
19:07<A-KO>never had a problem
19:07<Huru>domainsite here
19:07<Huru>Love it.
19:07<Alucard>I used godaddy, then they raised prices and there was a namecheap deal going on
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19:07<chesty>godady sucks rocks
19:08<krmdrms>gomommy sucks?
19:08<hellohector>chesty do you use linode ? i mean isn't that what this room is for ?
19:08<A-KO>they don't do much
19:08<Alucard>except be evil
19:08<Alucard>and try to sell you with sexy danica patrick
19:08<A-KO>godaddy has been fine for me....granted they have a lot of BS they try to sell you in between but eh
19:08<mwalling>mmmm, boobies
19:08<A-KO>just ignore it
19:08<mwalling>(AND NOT MIKEGRBS!)
19:08<chesty>hellohector: yeah, linode is so good, they offer a 7 day money back gaurantee. they are that confident you'll like the service
19:08<mwalling>(OR STRATERRAS)
19:08<Alucard>pparadis' instead?
19:08<mwalling>Alucard: maybe. just not straterras
19:09<hellohector>i see.. unlimited domains chesty ?
19:09<Alucard>also, set (space) up is always free at Linode
19:09<A-KO>hellohector: linode is not a domain registrar :P
19:09<A-KO>you can do w/e you want...
19:09<A-KO>host your own DNS for all they care
19:09<Alucard>except what's in the tos.
19:09<hellohector>oh ok. cool.
19:09<chesty>hellohector: it's an unmanaged service
19:09<mwalling>theres a finite number of domains... theres no such thing as an "unlimited number of domains"
19:10<chesty>you get root and do what you want within the TOS
19:10<mwalling>!f tos
19:10<hellohector>ok. well i'm a noob. i'm a graphic designer who tries to be technical
19:10<hellohector>not the other way around
19:10<linbot>mwalling: timed out
19:10<mwalling>!f terms of service
19:10<linbot>mwalling: What can I do with my Linode? It's probably easier to tell you what you cannot do: Nothing illegal and nothing that interferes with other customers and services. Our Terms of Service document is located here:
19:10<Huru>better sue me i use mine as a torrent box j/k
19:11*pparadis makes a note about Huru
19:11<mwalling>i torrent of my node too
19:11*caker reads said note
19:11<Huru>cheers :)
19:11<straterra>torrent isn't illegal
19:11<A-KO>hellohector: Linode is not a webhosting business. So if you're looking for somewhere to dump your blog site, chances are linode isn't for you specifically. If you want the ability to manage what services you offer for your fine control what the foundation of your site runs on, by all means, it's something for you.
19:11<chesty>Huru: one day you'll get a dmca take down
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19:11<@pparadis>dmca SMACKDOWN!
19:11<Huru>Torrents are illegal actually
19:11<Alucard>all torrents
19:11<straterra>Huru: No..they aren't.
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19:11<A-KO>Torrenting is not illegal
19:11<Alucard>better pack up guys
19:11<hellohector>i don't have a blog sadly, but i do host many client sites
19:11<mwalling>Huru: how the fuck do you say that?
19:11<Huru>9 times out of 10 they are holding illegal files.
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19:11<hellohector>and am looking for a solution that gives me more control that hostmonster
19:11<Alucard>Huru: now that's different from what you said before
19:12*pparadis likes to use bittorrent to download ISOs.
19:12<Alucard>GAME isos!?!?
19:12<straterra>9/10 != all illegal
19:12*mwalling seeds said isos
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19:12<A-KO>hellohector: oh you'll get more control alright :P
19:12*pparadis does not play games, nor does he watch television.
19:12*mwalling also seeds the stack overflow database dumps
19:12<hellohector>i went with a media temple dedicated virtual the other day. was shit house
19:12<Huru>wow i didnt realise we are being mathmatical here
19:12<hellohector>cancelled it straight away
19:12<hellohector>they use plesk
19:12<Huru>lemme get out my calculator.
19:12<@pparadis>!newcalc 5 * 5
19:12<A-KO>you don't get a control panel on linode...
19:12<linbot>pparadis: 5 * 5 = 25
19:12<A-KO>SSH that's about it
19:13<chesty>hellohector: linodes out perform cheap dedicated
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19:13<hellohector>so, no control panel ? at all ?
19:13<@pparadis>you can install one if you want
19:13<mwalling>hellohector: what ever you install
19:13<Huru>caker saw the porn on my vps, rather than closing it down he started downloading it >_>
19:13<hellohector>ok. i see.
19:13*pparadis hugs mwalling
19:13<@pparadis>Huru: he was only backing it up for...
19:13<mwalling>hellohector: your linode comes with ssh and your distros package manager
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19:14<chesty>beta testing purposes
19:14<hellohector>cause on your site, there are screen shots of green screens that look easy and control panel'ish
19:14<@pparadis>yes, that's it!
19:14<@pparadis>those are the linode manager
19:14<mwalling>hellohector: yeah, thats the linode "BIOS", its not a panel for whats inside your node
19:14<Huru>Males need their alone time i suppose.
19:14<chesty>that's like the bios of a desktop
19:14<@pparadis>that allows you to easily deploy distros, manage disk images, and other stuff.
19:14<A-KO>hellohector: they allow you to view statistics for your node and do things that you would be able to do with a physical machine (deploy an OS, etc.) But as far as whether or not your node has apache, mysql, php, and other services is entirely up to you to configure and maintain.
19:14<chesty>too slow
19:15<hellohector>i see a screen shot of a screen where you can change dns records
19:15<hellohector>pretty green one :)
19:15<@pparadis>apt-get install thewholewideworld
19:15<@pparadis>that's the dns manager
19:15<A-KO>yes they have DNS management...
19:15<mwalling>yes, linode provides dns hosting (not registration)
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19:15<straterra>apt-get install pparadis
19:15<mwalling>(one of these things takes lots of paperwork, one doesnt)
19:15<Huru>Linodes dns manager is slower than domainsite ive noticed.
19:15<@pparadis>OH GOD I'VE BEEN CLONED
19:15<straterra>cloned in to my bed
19:15<@pparadis>quick, caker, hire the new me before someone else does!
19:15<straterra>twice as many taxes
19:16<@pparadis>straterra: cloned into urmom's bed.
19:16<straterra>its empty this week
19:16*Huru sets mode -o+v pparadis pparadis
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19:16<mwalling>Huru: now what are you trolling about? its clearly stated that the zones are only rebuilt every 15 minutes
19:16<@pparadis>it's pparadis all the way down
19:16<Huru>Im not trolling just stating its slower x]
19:16<straterra>How is it slower?
19:16<straterra>The replication?
19:16<Huru>idk domainsite does it instantly.
19:17<straterra>does what instantly?
19:17<mwalling>they must use illegal torrents!
19:17<Huru>the records.
19:17<Yaakov>Linode DNS manager is SLOW AS KARO SYRUP IN THE ARCTIC WINTER
19:17<straterra>it does the records?
19:17<@pparadis>the rest of the internet won't see it for awhile anyhow if they have cached records.
19:17<chesty>i have noticed a dynamic zone takes a while for linodes dns to see the changes
19:17<mwalling>chesty: takes a while for the NSs to act on the NOTIFYs
19:18<mwalling>SelfishMan timed it once
19:18<HoopyCat>i've seen a lot of slow things in my life, senator, but few things have been quite as dramatic as the sheer, unspeakable, terrifying slowness of the linode DNS manager. by god, you'd swear it was dead, but then if you watch it... it moves.
19:18<@pparadis>it's alive.
19:18<straterra>HoopyCat: Unlike your mom
19:18<straterra>That doesnt move...ever
19:18<chesty>michael jacksons not dead, he's a linode dns
19:18<Huru>someones american.
19:18<@pparadis>cause i wore her out.
19:18<straterra>Who's American?
19:18<Yaakov>No one is American.
19:18<Huru>Mum not mom >_>
19:18<@pparadis>why do you hate freedom?
19:18<straterra>Mexican's are american..
19:18<HoopyCat>billy mays here with news about the linode dns manager!
19:18<straterra>so are canadians
19:18<Yaakov>I can prove that mathematically.
19:19<@caker>You're gonna love my nuts
19:19<straterra>I already do, big boy
19:19<@pparadis>HoopyCat: that's an impressive new level of awesomely bad :)
19:19<@pparadis>cameraman, you gettin' this?
19:19<straterra>I wish the shamwow guy would go too
19:19<Huru>its amazing when caker speaks, he gets an instant reply
19:19<@pparadis>stop having a boring server, stop having a boring life.
19:19<hellohector>so are any of you employees of linode ?
19:19<straterra>The ops
19:19<straterra>One of those assholes OWNS Linode
19:20<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful community.
19:20<Yaakov>caker works for the owner.
19:20<Huru>they all get free linodes
19:20<hellohector>i love communities
19:20<straterra>No they don't
19:20<straterra>They get discounts
19:20<@pparadis>do not adjust your television...
19:20<straterra>They aren't free
19:20<Huru>pparadis has a 2440 he pays $0 for x]
19:20<Huru>pparadis - agree with me.. kthx
19:20*pparadis pays all right...
19:20<Huru>nah he gets huru to pay for him.
19:21<@pparadis>like i said a few days ago about the build room upstairs...
19:21<chesty>pays for his chair, his desk
19:21<straterra>My opinion of huru isn't very high
19:21<Huru>my supermarket wages pays for linode.
19:21<Huru>Thats how much my life sucks =]
19:21*Damianz thinks linode would be such a cool company to work for
19:21<@pparadis>you should expense your linode through the supermarket
19:21<@pparadis>Damianz: it is.
19:21<Huru>straterra: my opinion on myself isnt very high either :)
19:21<HoopyCat>pparadis pays a good $135.56/mo for that 2440
19:21<@pparadis>of course
19:21<Huru>its great :)
19:22<Yaakov>caker: You need to sell Linode pre-pay cards in WalMart.
19:22<Huru>I dont work at walmart
19:22<Damianz>pparadis: If I lived in the US I would of applied to work at linode :< Gotta hate the UK.
19:22<Huru>put them in Countdown Eastgate - Christchurch - New Zealand
19:22<Yaakov>Huru: I didn't say you did.
19:22<@pparadis>but you get free healthcare!
19:22<Huru>i get discount there ;]
19:22<@pparadis>(sort of)
19:22<Yaakov>Huru: I wasn't talking to or about you, it turns out.
19:22<Huru>Yaakov: thank you for the kind compliment.
19:23<@pparadis>can you feel the love tonight?
19:23<@mikegrb>mmm cake
19:23<Yaakov>mikegrb: Can you have the cake?
19:23*Damianz stops dreaming and goes back to straighting his hair
19:23<Huru>Tue Jun 30 11:23:24 2009
19:23<HoopyCat>Damianz: you prrrobably don't have old people getting the "oh, hi, we aren't going to pay for your cancerectomy tomorrow morning; turns out you forgot to tell us you had mono when you were 14" treatment there
19:23<Yaakov>I have a very sharp pain in my head just now.
19:24<Damianz>Yaakov: That would be your brain ;)
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19:24<@pparadis>HoopyCat: instead, he gets "oh hai, we'll gladly do your cancerectomy in nine months when the surgeon's available."
19:24<Huru>Lets get a nz datacenter up. Cheaper on teh huru.
19:25<Damianz>Uk Datacenter ftw!
19:25<Huru>my $40 usd linode costs me $75 a month <3
19:25<HoopyCat>Huru: move
19:25<@pparadis>my twelve guage has thirteen guages!
19:25<@caker> /exec -out dd if=/dev/hda
19:26<HoopyCat>pparadis: i don't have incredibly first-hand knowledge of queues in the UK, but canada's actually damned near real time unless you're faking it
19:26<chesty>i wonder what would happen if i ran cakers command
19:26<chesty>i trust him
19:26<chesty>here goes
19:26<@pparadis>my aunt had to be flown back to the states for emergency surgery because the UK doctors put her on a list for treatment 30 days later.
19:26<@pparadis>she would have been dead in three days.
19:26<Damianz>Sounds about right.
19:27<hellohector>don't the usa hostpitals send you over to india for cheaper surgery ?
19:27<chesty>The server localhost does not understand 'EXEC'
19:27<Damianz>They do say you get what you pay for.
19:27<HoopyCat>hellohector: nope... much more profitable to keep that in house
19:27<@pparadis>hellohector: no, but we do have a large number of doctors of indian origin.
19:27<chesty>some cosmetic stuff goes on overseas
19:27<@pparadis>reference any given graduating class of emory medical school.
19:28<mwalling>pakistani too
19:28<hellohector>my boyfriend is from wisconsin and he was saying the insurance companies send you to india for elective surgery because it's cheaper
19:28<@pparadis>fine doctors, actually.
19:28<HoopyCat>hellohector: i believe your boyfriend may -- and i mean this in the nicest possible way -- be yanking your chain a bit
19:29<hellohector>only when i behave
19:29<@pparadis>a lot of people _do_ go to mexico or other countries to have major reconstructive dental work done.
19:29<HoopyCat>ugh, dental work
19:29<hellohector>what do you expect, he's from wisconsin. i'm from australia
19:29<hellohector>we have awesome healthcare here, and it's free
19:29<chesty>i like my dentist, but i can't afford to see him atm
19:29<@pparadis>a six-figure mouth in the US may cost a tenth of that in mexico, and the dentists are supposedly quite good in most cases.
19:29<chesty>except for dental hellohector
19:29<krmdrms>our minister of finance choosed cleveland for his surgery. lol. guess our health services
19:30<hellohector>thats right
19:30<hellohector>dental here is ridiculous, and we get arse raped
19:30<HoopyCat>for some odd reason, teeth are not considered like EVERY SINGLE OTHER FSCKING BODY PART as far as medical coverage goes. well, that, and eyes i suppose
19:30<chesty>and penis reductions
19:30<@pparadis>funny that, since unresolved dental problems can have a major impact on a person's health.
19:30<HoopyCat>krmdrms: cleveland is a wonderful city
19:31<HoopyCat>chesty: if you're having anything done "down there", with regards making it "different", people generally recommend thailand
19:31<chesty>hehe, too big, need smaller
19:31<mwalling>roswell park in buffalo gets lots of out of country patients
19:31<hellohector>what do they do to penises in thailand ?
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19:31<chesty>tuck them inside out?
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19:32<krmdrms>HoopyCat: i dont know anything about cleveland. Its not the point. The point is why he didint prefer here. Cause its bad? OK. Make it good.
19:32<chesty>obama will save us
19:33<mwalling>oh god
19:33<hellohector>who here is in australia ?
19:33<chesty>i am
19:33<hellohector>what are the linode speeds like from australia ?
19:34<mwalling>find out for yourself.
19:34<chesty>i win
19:34<mwalling>uh, no?
19:34<scorche|sh>chesty: he wins
19:34<HoopyCat>krmdrms: individual survival > collective good... the time required to fix the situation such that he could obtain a satisfactory brainectomy would probably exceed the amount of time he had left to live without the brainectomy
19:34<chesty>first on my screen
19:34<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Do you have hair and nail insurance?
19:34<scorche|sh>chesty: shame that doesnt count ;)
19:35<mwalling>chesty: i win.
19:35<HoopyCat>Yaakov: no, but i do get a student discount at the hairzoo next to the deli
19:35<krmdrms>HoppyCat yeah you are right.
19:35*hellohector has no idea what just happened then.
19:35<mwalling>hellohector: click on the damn link.
19:35<chesty>usually fremont is the quickest from australia
19:36<krmdrms>His wife told press that God told her to go to Cleveland.
19:36<chesty>about 190ms
19:36<Yaakov>OK, what's that about?
19:37<mwalling>triggering the factoid caused a team of flying monkeys to carry the file closer to your location (using an implimentation of RFC1149), to cause your speeds to look OMGFAST from anywhere in the world
19:37<Yaakov>I am losing my mind.
19:37<HoopyCat>krmdrms: frankly, if god told me to go to cleveland, i'd tell him to go to hell
19:37<erikh>I'm flying to newark this weekend!
19:37<chesty>cleveland rocks, cleveland rocks ohio
19:37<HoopyCat>krmdrms: obligatory:
19:37<UberBoogerBot>^ == HASTILY MADE CLEVELAND TOURISM VIDEO uploaded by bishopvids. [Durration: 0:51] [Views: 1,145,912] [Rating: 5.0]
19:38<HoopyCat>krmdrms: and, of course,
19:38<UberBoogerBot>^ == Hastily Made Cleveland Tourism Video: 2nd Attempt uploaded by bishopvids. [Durration: 0:49] [Views: 934,382] [Rating: 5.0]
19:38<krmdrms> What a lovely couple! lol :d
19:38<HoopyCat>mwalling: you should make a irssi trigger for that
19:39<@mikegrb>mmm cake
19:39<HoopyCat>mwalling: i'll then make one that, when "Durration" is found, says "c'mon noob, spelling is a piece of cake"
19:39<Yaakov>OK my head HURTS.
19:40<HoopyCat>Yaakov: cleveland does good brainectomies, according to the british government
19:40<krmdrms>haha funny video:)
19:41<hellohector>i gotta go do work, sadly, it's been fun. reminds me of the old irc days before icq and msn messenger.
19:41<Yaakov>It's a sharp pain at the top of my nose, to the right side.
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19:43<Alucard>hours old
19:45<Yaakov>erikh: You should be ashamed! Other people have already seen that! One or two of them even in this very channel.
19:45<erikh>I know.
19:45*erikh commits seppuku
19:45<Alucard>my work here is done
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19:46<HoopyCat>it was new to me :-(
19:46<Alucard>and over here, the Felinius Hoopinus, now believed to be extinct
19:47<SelfishMan>mwalling: If I didn't know better, I would say you just like to make me vibrate
19:47<HoopyCat>urmom stinked
19:47<mendel>Who's the guy in the unbuttoned shirt?
19:47<SelfishMan>!linode notify
19:47<erikh>git commit seppuku
19:47<mwalling>SelfishMan: dont want to tip off pparadis
19:47<mendel>in other news, my linode is competing nicely with rackspace for uptime
19:47<SelfishMan>!f linode notify
19:47<linbot>SelfishMan: SelfishMan tested the time it took for Linode's DNS servers to transfer a new zone after receiving a notify and found that it takes 7-15 minutes. This is most likely because of the large number of zones that Linode handles. (76.923%)
19:47<HoopyCat>erikh: mwalling's just about that point with git, actually
19:48<erikh>yeah, but he complains about everything
19:48<mwalling>HoopyCat: problem solved: too old
19:48<bd_>SelfishMan: isn't that consistent with transfers only occuring with the 15minute refresh tick?
19:48<HoopyCat>mwalling: get off my lawn
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19:48<bd_>Or does it at least improve update frequence beyond the SOA refresh interval
19:49<krmdrms>mendel: David Carradine
19:51<mendel>ah! right, thanks
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19:55<SelfishMan>bd_: No, because in my test I did the notify after a zone update step tick
19:56<SelfishMan>more accurately, I created a new zone and did the update to the zone after the new zone was present
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20:13<bd_>!tyop Hello, world.
20:13<linbot>bd_: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request
20:14<bd_>damn it linbot, escape your spaces
20:14<HoopyCat>escape urmom
20:16<SelfishMan>urmom is escaped
20:16<SelfishMan>well, not escaped but hacked sufficiently that you think it is escaped
20:17<SelfishMan>bd_: hold for pastebin
20:18<bd_>hacked how? it has a space right in the path, which lighttpd is Not Happy with
20:18<bd_><-- currently working on worse hacks
20:18<bd_>SelfishMan: Hmm.
20:18<SelfishMan>bd_: In a GET request It's 'GET <adress> <protocol>
20:19<SelfishMan>so at that space after the addres it considers it to be part of the protocol
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20:19<bd_>yeah, but how does that deal with multiple spaces, and how does it down in lighttpd?
20:19<SelfishMan>Your query would have resulted in the protocol being "world. HTTP/1.x"
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20:20<SelfishMan>The hack works because it adds everything up to 'HTTP' to the query string
20:20<bd_>more importantly, your hack wouldn't prevent a 400
20:20<HoopyCat>400 Confused, she replies "How do we beef and broccori?"
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20:20<SelfishMan>bd_: It's the same hack that !urmom, !newcalc, !newercalc, !factoidbot and !hoopycat use
20:21<SelfishMan>I don't know how lighttpd will interpret that stuff though as I run apache on this host
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20:21<linbot>gonna go C R A Z Y on you! CRAAAZY on YOU! gonna go CRAZY, CRAZY on Youuuuuuu ohhhhhhhh
20:21<bd_>SelfishMan: yeah, I'll try a different hack
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20:22<SelfishMan>The other option is to use "&q=$1+@2+@3+@4+@5..."
20:22<SelfishMan>but that is even uglier
20:22<HoopyCat>... well why didn't you just say so
20:22*HoopyCat slaps phennessy
20:22*SelfishMan was waiting for someone to try that trigger
20:23<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:23<HoopyCat>it's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake
20:24<phennessy>"It took me three days to figure out that there was another side to the tape." hahahahahahha
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20:26<bd_>hmm, any way to use a raw port number in inetd.conf without having to put something in /etc/services?
20:27<SelfishMan>I thought you could?!?
20:27<bd_>just using a number in the service field doesn't seem to work
20:27<bd_>8 stream tcp nowait nobody /root/
20:27<@caker>23000 stream tcp <-- wfm
20:28<bd_>hmm, perhaps it's because I have xinetd
20:30<bd_>!tyop And now, I present to you a binding to the Yahoo misspelling suggestion API
20:30<linbot>bd_: And now, I pneesrt to you a bdnniig to the Yhoao mslpneilisg seoigtsgun API
20:31<bd_><query> fwiw
20:31<@pparadis>i am the walrus
20:31<SelfishMan>I am the white buffalo, deal with it
20:31*emoboy shoots the walrus
20:31-!-emoboy is now known as Damianz
20:31<Damianz>Stupid IRC
20:31<@pparadis>i wish my grass was emo so it would cut itself
20:32<chesty>get a goat
20:32<Damianz>I just set mine on fire
20:32<@pparadis>i just envisioned a flaming goat
20:32<@pparadis>of doom
20:32*Damianz sets fire to pparadis
20:32<@pparadis>i'm on fire! yayah!
20:33<chesty>what's that australian movie...mirielles wedding
20:34<SelfishMan>!tyop `rm -rf /tmp`
20:34<linbot>SelfishMan: `rm -rf /tmp`
20:34<bd_>SelfishMan: I'm not dumb enough to fall for that :)
20:34<bd_>it's bound to a taint-mode perl script, which just escape it and invokes the /real/ cgi script
20:34<chesty>NO CARRIER
20:35<bd_>which in turn just hands it off to yahoo
20:35<bd_>no command line args at any stage of the process
20:37<SelfishMan>bd_: I figured not but I've seen people do stupid things before
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20:38<HoopyCat>pparadis: i hit a windfall proto-pear with the lawnmower today
20:39<HoopyCat>pparadis: it was on a straight section, so i had some good speed going and i wasn't expecting a pear there... lawnmower suddenly stopped moving forward and the handle got me right in the gastronomy
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20:41<HoopyCat>pparadis: i blame the squirrels.
20:42<@pparadis>the squirrels at my apartment are damn near tame.
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20:42<@pparadis>their kin are out to get HoopyCat
20:42<@pparadis>it's all part of a vast rodent conspiracy
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20:47<Yaakov>The squirrels here were attacking me and didn't run away until I actually chased them.
20:48*Damianz puts a squirrel in Yaakov's underware
20:49<@pparadis>i'm gonna get the squirrels at my place to hang out with me on the porch by feeding them
20:49<@pparadis>little guys are pretty smart for rodents
20:49<Yaakov>pparadis: Here they actually tried to get me while I was working under my car.
20:49<Damianz>Probably after your nuts xD
20:49<@pparadis>were a couple of them kicking at the jackstands?
20:50<@pparadis>"you're gonna love my nuts"
20:50<@pparadis>another quality vince quote
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20:51<armbruster>i'm bored. what's a cool server/service i could run on my linode?
20:51<Alucard>free account for Alucard
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20:52<armbruster>pparadis: reminds me of billy mays. :(
20:52<chesty>chrooted ssh
20:52<@pparadis>he and billy actually had a few squabbles, but vince did state he respected billy's work.
20:53<armbruster>billy was the man, with a 'hard' head, and an untreated concussion.
20:54<@pparadis>funny how the most unlikely people can get into our culture and leave a big mark.
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20:55<armbruster>i'm just bandwagoning, don't mind that.
20:55<@pparadis>current track: Fear - Sarah McLachlan. others?
20:55<neil14450>Jaguar, you shot the bullet
20:56<armbruster>but yeah, billy was the mj of infomercials
20:56<armbruster>current track: Santeria - Sublime
20:56<neil14450>footbullet boy
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20:57<@pparadis>i can do a respectable job of the ambient fiddle track in Fear. i really need to buy a violin again.
20:57<krmdrms>current track: top gear season 2 episode 6. :D
20:57<Alucard>current track: tap.. tap.. tap.. tap..
20:58<krmdrms>playing a violin is way too hard
20:58<@pparadis>i miss it. took years to get good, and i put it down for lack of time.
20:59<krmdrms>i play electric guitar but i really want to learn to play flute.
21:00<Yaakov>Electric flute?
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21:01<krmdrms>pan flute :p
21:01<chesty>my girlfriend plays a mean flute
21:01<linbot>New news from forums: Name Server / Registrar Tips in General Discussion <>
21:02<springmeyer>hey guys, I just added an 'extra' to the wrong linode account, and promply removed
21:02<springmeyer>how is a screwup like that handled on your billing side?
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21:03<@pparadis>you get pro-rated any unused time for the extra
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21:03<springmeyer>ie. should I send an email clarifying my error or anything?
21:03<springmeyer>ah, okay
21:03<@pparadis>you're fine.
21:03<springmeyer>cool, thx
21:03<Alucard>you might be out $.002 cents
21:03<Staz>pparadis : hahaha - I love the bit "This is so fucking extreme that it'll even absorb your fucking dog!"
21:04<bd_>springmeyer: you'll be out up to a day's worth, I think.
21:04<bd_>which amounts to not very much for a single extra
21:04*springmeyer chuckles
21:04<springmeyer>sounds good
21:06<springmeyer>hmm, curious, now when I go to 'Complete Your Order' two 'packages' show up
21:07<bd_>springmeyer: look at the dates
21:07<bd_>after the 20th, you get billed for next month too
21:07<springmeyer>ah, gocha thanks
21:08<springmeyer>and does the machine reboot itself?
21:08<bd_>I certainly hope not :)
21:08<bd_>ie: no
21:08<mwalling>something does though... swapping ips?
21:08<springmeyer>okay, I saw a warning about that when removing memory
21:09<mwalling>(as far as things that cause reboot jobs)
21:09<bd_>mwalling: really? huh
21:09<springmeyer>but didn't know if it applied to adding mem
21:09<bd_>removing ram decreases your quota
21:09*Yaakov adds "extras" to bd_.
21:09<bd_>so it'd make sense to require an immediate shutdown to make that take effect at the same time as the billing change
21:09<bd_>adding RAM increases your quota, and so linode doesn't really mind if you don't use it right away ;)
21:10<neil14450>any chance on getting a lish console reset since mine seems to be borked currently?
21:10<bd_>pparadis: ping ^
21:17<bd_>neil14450: right, might want to put in a ticket then
21:17<springmeyer>and after adding memory its available within a few minutes, hours, days?
21:17<neil14450>bd_, already did thanks ;-)
21:17<bd_>springmeyer: how long does it take to reboot?
21:18<springmeyer>bd_: oh, maybe I misunderstood. so you do need to manually reboot to gain the memory?
21:18<bd_>springmeyer: yes
21:19<springmeyer>okay, cool, thanks
21:19<bd_>unfortunately memory ballooning isn't supported yet
21:19<springmeyer>sure, not a problem at all
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21:20<TheOrz>is anyone else having trouble connecting to their NJ linode?
21:20<TheOrz>I can't even open the damn console :(
21:20<bd_>I'm speaking from my NJ linode
21:20<bd_>what's your host and IP?
21:21<krmdrms>mine is ok
21:21<linbot>bd_: [mtr] 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.6ms
21:21<bd_>seems up
21:21<bd_>probably there's some routing problems between your home and linode's datacenter
21:21<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark or dallas.
21:21<bd_>^^^ get a mtr-trace and put it in:
21:21<TheOrz>i see
21:21<linbot>Paste your bulk content into the text box on; after submitting, copy and paste the URL to which you were redirected (e.g. into the channel. The password is right there in the popup login dialog.
21:21<linbot>phennessy: [mtr] 9 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 23.2ms
21:21<TheOrz>i might have to put in a ticket
21:22<linbot>Alucard: [mtr] 17 hops, tge9-2.vnnyca2-rtr1.socal.rr: 60.0%/84.4ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
21:22<phennessy>TheOrz: it's probably something between you and linode
21:22<TheOrz>ok it's good now
21:22<TheOrz>just temporal
21:22<TheOrz>thanks for all the help people
21:22<mwalling>Alucard: nice :)
21:22<Alucard>the path between Newark and you is still lossy
21:23<Alucard>I'm seeing 45% loss at the third to last hop
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21:23<TheOrz>damn road-runner
21:23<TheOrz>i need to get a real isp
21:23<TheOrz>like speakeasy
21:23<mwalling>roadrunner works fine for me...
21:24<TheOrz>mine usually does but... anywho
21:24*mwalling thinks socal must just be a shitty operating division :)
21:24<TheOrz>yeah all telecom shit is shitty in socal
21:24<TheOrz>no decent cellular service either
21:25<TheOrz>i'm surprised since it's LA god damnit
21:25<phennessy>CA is just going to fall into the ocean
21:25<TheOrz>fuck that i juust moved here!
21:25<phennessy>i heard they are running out of money and can't keep putting super glue into the fault lines
21:26<TheOrz>the rumors are true
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21:27<chesty>there goes LA
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21:41<amitz>nice, there is actually an application to convert java to C++
21:42<Alucard>I bet it works flawlessly
21:43<HoopyCat>i do enjoy the roadrunner here... no particular complaints
21:43*HoopyCat waves hello from 20 minutes ago
21:43*phennessy waves
21:43<amitz>dream popper!
21:44<amitz>uh.. I'm abusing words too much.
21:45<amitz>dream baloon popper.
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21:51<wastrel>balloon pooper
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21:58<tjfontaine>purrdeta: you're so young
22:06<purrdeta>Yeah :/
22:06<purrdeta>Good and bad I suppose
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22:11*emoboy stabs teh intertubes
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22:40<purrdeta>wow tjfontaine... nice movie LOL
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22:57<amitz>uh, it seems I know C++ less than I thought.
22:57<r3z>Anyone wanna trade their iphone 3g for my blackberry curve?
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22:58<Damianz>Anyone wanna trade a crappy samsung w/e for an iphone?
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23:00<chesty>anyone want to trade a paperclip for a house?
23:00<krmdrms>there'll be a urmom joke after
23:01<Damianz>anyone wanna trade me a super computer for nothing?
23:04<Peng_>I have an empty orange juice container I can trade.
23:05<Damianz>Id take a full one.
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23:06*Damianz hears snoring
23:06<sullen>my balls itch
23:06<krmdrms>yep its 6am im still awake
23:06<Damianz>Im not scrathing them.
23:06<sullen>come on
23:06<sullen>close your eyes
23:06<Damianz>My BF would kill me.
23:07<Damianz>Ok fair enough.
23:07<sullen>i just shaved my ass couple of days ago
23:07*r3z is finishing up some work before bed...
23:07*Damianz scrathces sullen's balls...
23:07<Damianz>Which a chainsaw.
23:07<sullen>i got tired of wiping 9 times and wastin all the charmin ultra
23:07*Damianz has typing failure
23:07<sullen>the worse was trying to get a BJ from the missus and it smellin like shit cuz i didnt wipe properly
23:08<sullen>its like... wtf.
23:08<sullen>you want to get a nice BJ and the waft of shit comes creepin' up
23:08<sullen>so dissapointed
23:08<mwalling>is this #xkcd or #linode?!?!?!?
23:08<sullen>mwalling: you make me laugh
23:08<sullen> :))
23:09<sullen>that fucker just smacks the fucking n00bs around
23:09<sullen>its fucking comedy
23:09<@caker>language, please
23:09<sullen>its like people as the dumbest questions
23:09<sullen>caker: np :p
23:09*Damianz thinks english
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23:11<sullen>my wife is forcing me to listen to american idol in the background - sorry for the lashing out :))
23:12*Damianz ties sullen to the chair and forces him to watch IRC
23:12<mwalling>that why you lashed out last night too?
23:12<sullen>no, last night was the whole charmin thing ;)
23:14<r3z>Is American idol already back on tv?
23:14<sullen>they are playing the michael jackson special
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23:15<sullen>so you hear some bad michael jackson renditions
23:15<sullen>it just started and now there is a "dont smoke weed" commercial
23:15<r3z>Not on tv here...
23:15*Damianz smokes sullen
23:16<sullen>i have the effect of salvia
23:16<sullen>watch out yo
23:16*Damianz chews on sullen to makes lots of sullen's
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23:17<sullen>chewing me would be a waste - need to chew 2g-3g of me vs. a small hit of 60x
23:17*Damianz spits sullen back into the channel
23:18<sullen>you were not properly trained as a teenager
23:18<sullen>poor BM :(
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23:19<UberBoogerBot>^ == Billy Mays Orders Food From A McDonald's Drive Thru uploaded by crzymew22. [Durration: 5:42] [Views: 386,987] [Rating: 5.0]
23:19<sullen>hah, he cant even order a cheeseburger without having his picture taken
23:20<chesty>is that Yaakov?
23:20<phennessy>that's BILLY MAYS!
23:20<mwalling>BUT WAIT!
23:20<mwalling>THERES MORE!
23:21<chuck>!f mwalling
23:21<linbot>chuck: mwalling is the resident asshole
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23:25<checkers>that's cool
23:25<checkers>got the original image so I can print it out?
23:25<Damianz>I want that on my desk!
23:26<mwalling>checkers: its mikegrb's
23:26<X-LP>i nearly died when i saw this, and i didnt even see it in person (thank god):
23:26<mwalling>jadoba made it for him... you could find him
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23:26<Damianz>Nice desk.
23:27<Pryon>thanks. Now I'm going to be itching for an hour
23:28<checkers>yeah I've seen that sort of thing in real life
23:28<X-LP>i didnt want to be alone Pryon
23:35<purrdeta>X-LP: ewwwwww
23:35<X-LP>theres one on your chair now
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23:37<purrdeta>Ill make my kitty kill it
23:37<mdcollins>cats love spiders
23:37<amitz>am I reading it wrong but there seems to be a strain relationship between oftc and freenode?
23:38<iggy>freenode and *
23:38<amitz>or just plain healthy mockeries between each other?
23:41<Peng_>amitz: Freenode and OFTC have held successful hostage exchanges in the past, so I don't see why you'd call it "strained".
23:41<Pryon>As long as they're not colin mochries
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23:42<amitz>Peng_: exchange of each other's mom?
23:43<Pryon>semantic unit to your maternal progenitor
23:43<amitz>when mom is involved..
23:44<X-LP>its family time1
23:44<amitz>Pryon: woah, are you in marketing?
23:44<Peng_>amitz: Surprisingly, more Dads were kidnapped than Moms.
23:45<Pryon>No, I'm in New Mexico
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23:46<Pryon>Ah, the evolutionist's nightmare
23:50<amitz>Pryon: nah, it's not unheard of for 40-ish sexy divorcee/widower with child to get a new husband.
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23:51<obscurit1>hey is there a hardware/server list?
23:51<amitz>I guess what was once considered a genetic fitness, is not that fit anymore.
23:51<obscurit1>(a public one)
23:51<amitz>obscurit1: of linode?
23:51<Huru>Wow X-LP.
23:52<obscurit1>amitz: right, i think I've seen one, but it was old
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23:53<chesty>it's one big cluster of 1000's of 368dx40's emulating quad core arch
23:53<obscurit1>chesty: lol
23:54<obscurit1>linode is actually a beowulf cluster of ... linode is MADE OF MAN
23:55<obscurit1>ahh, should be MADE OF PEOPLE
23:55<obscurit1>can anyone "in the know" recommend a newer dallas node to migrate to since dallas77 is apparently having health issues?
23:56<@tasaro>the hosts are just EC2 instances
23:56<obscurit1>tasaro: they are not :P
23:56<@tasaro>obscurit1: your migration has already been configured -- check your dashboard
23:56<obscurit1>tasaro: I see it, thanks.
23:57<obscurit1>tasaro: was hoping to move to someting that would last a while that's all :)
23:57<obscurit1>later all. off to migrate.
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23:57<purrdeta>I wonder if I will ever actually decide what to do with my life
23:58*Damianz wont
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23:59<amitz>purrdeta: just pick one, believe it's the best, and no regret. :-)
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