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---Logopened Tue Jun 30 00:00:06 2009
00:00<amitz>it's probably quite satisfying if you're good enough in whatever you're doing.
00:00<linbot>New news from forums: SQL injection brings down VPS host in Customer Testimonials <>
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00:03<purrdeta>Well, I am in college so I have a moment to decide :P
00:05<Damianz>purrdeta: I screwed collage and cant decided :P
00:05<amitz>purrdeta: one think I later felt surprise about asking advice on what to do in life is, people can suggest many path I couldn't think of.
00:06<purrdeta>hmm well at the moment I am thinking of Radio and Television broadcasting.
00:07<amitz>purrdeta: what's your reason of your current choice?
00:08<purrdeta>Sounds fun, thought of it before. Always been interested in it but... I dunno
00:08<purrdeta>My last choice was Information Systems
00:08<amitz>purrdeta: have you done any psychological test on your interest and value in life?
00:10<amitz>or have you thought about what's important in your life?
00:11<purrdeta>no. My dad is a psycholigist though so I should pester him again about giving me that damn test
00:11<purrdeta>I am interested in so many things
00:12*Damianz requires alcohol :<
00:12*Damianz puts that in the right window....
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00:32<amitz>purrdeta: despite such test, note that once your life's value change, your happiness may be affected. To stabilize your life value, expose yourself to as many thing as possible. Make friends with different groups/cultures.
00:32<purrdeta>yeah :)
00:32<amitz>sometimes your work change due to change in technology or law. That one is inevitable :-)
00:33<purrdeta>It is interesting how so many people tell you different things... "Don't do that, too much competition" "Do this! More money!"
00:33<amitz>purrdeta: it will help a lot if you're of "liberal" ideology. But expose your self to closely-knit group to see whether you will change/adapt given such environment.
00:34<amitz>I mean, expose yourself to those groups if you're quite liberal. You might probably like such group and stabilize on such value.
00:35<purrdeta>indeed. I try to expose myself to all sorts of crap. Even people/things I dislike
00:35<@pparadis>win ->
00:36<amitz>If you can afford it, go overseas to a culture radically different than yours. The experience can be very valuable.
00:36<purrdeta>I wish I could. I am poor though :/. I may try some of those "volunteer" abroad programs or something
00:38<purrdeta>I live in Texas. It tends to not be a place of much... open-mindedness :P
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00:41<amitz>purrdeta: are you in Austin?
00:41<@pparadis>current track: "Time - Sarah McLachlan"
00:41<purrdeta>Dallas/Fort Worth
00:42<purrdeta>Though I have found plenty of people that I like and agree with so it is all good
00:42<amitz>it seems texas has plenty of radical bunch of fundamentalist/racist?
00:43<checkers>they do?
00:43<chesty>news to me
00:44<amitz>purrdeta: which college are you going to?
00:44<amitz>purrdeta: I'm just saying that in UT Austin there is plenty of multi-cultural stuff / course if you try to find them.
00:46<purrdeta>I go to a community college at the moment
00:46<purrdeta>will probably end up going to either UT Arlington or UNT
00:46<purrdeta>if I ever decide what I wanna do
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00:58<Purechaos>Hello I have a linode, but my question isnt a linode spacific question. its a php script question, I'm looking for som help :)
00:59<Purechaos>I am trying to get a captcha working on an email form im making but I cant figure out what im doing wrong, Is anyone avaliable to maybe help me?
01:00<amitz>Purechaos: how do you know you're doing it wrong? How far have you have managed to set it up?
01:01<amitz>purrdeta: well, whatever you decide, usually you can always derive pleasure from it, so don't worry too much :-)
01:01<checkers>Purechaos: maybe try #php on freenode
01:02<checkers>amitz: you motivational speaker :P
01:02<Purechaos>amitz: I have 2 parts, form.php & query.php...I have googled and tried a bunch of different captcha scripts some work but not corectl, & some dont work at all :(
01:02<A-KO>recaptcha IMO
01:02<Purechaos>checkers: I have no one answered me
01:03<purrdeta>amitz: haha I know. It is still stressful for me. Afraid of making a mistake. I realize I will only be really happy when I stop worrying about mistakes and just jumping in
01:03<MarkJ>There's a chance your captcha API relies on a session being active but may not be running when you validate?
01:04<MarkJ>if you are familiar with session management...
01:05<Purechaos>MarkJ: no, this is the first time I've tried using one of these, I have one that works, but I cant figure out why it wont check the image code
01:05<Purechaos>I can type in the wrong code & it still works
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01:07<purrdeta>sleep time. love to continue talking later amitz :)
01:08<amitz>purrdeta: oh, love to be of help, gnite purrdeta
01:09<amitz>checkers: me, motivational speaker? You haven't known my brother :-p
01:12<Purechaos>maybe someone can take a look at my code & tell me whats wrong
01:12<amitz>Purechaos: probably you misconfigured the script. You can use pastebin for us to look at your code.
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01:46<Peng_>!f activation
01:46<linbot>Peng_: Activation in (bio-)chemical sciences generally refers to the process whereby something is prepared or excited for a subsequent reaction.
01:47<Peng_>!f instant activation
01:47<linbot>Peng_: Sorry, I don't know anything about that
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01:49<Peng_>SelfishMan: There should be an activation factoid explaining that most customers will be activated instantly, but some may have to wait and whatever, and maybe linking to.
01:51<SelfishMan>!f instant activation
01:51<linbot>SelfishMan: Most customers are activated immediately but some require additional security checks. For more info, see
01:52<SelfishMan>!f activation
01:52<linbot>SelfishMan: Most customers are activated immediately but some require additional security checks. For more info, see
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01:59<Peng_>SelfishMan: <3
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02:39<Dreamer3>can't get to
02:39<Dreamer3>and one of my boxes
02:40<Dreamer3>anyone around?
02:41<_banana> works for me
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02:42<mdcollins>working for me too
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02:49<linbot>SelfishMan: [mtr] 8 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 42.1ms
02:49<SelfishMan>!pingtest 80
02:49<linbot>SelfishMan: TCP/80 responded in 0.77 ms
02:50<SelfishMan>looks like it all works
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02:51<Dreamer3>i'm in atlanta :)
02:51<Dreamer3>but i can't even get to yahoo
02:52<linbot>SelfishMan: [mtr] 13 hops, ae-63-51.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level: 20.0%/7.6ms
02:53<Dreamer3>is that 20% loss
02:53<linbot>SelfishMan: [mtr] 13 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 20.7ms
02:53<_banana>lol atlanta, blocks irc port and dusn afraid of anythng
02:53<Dreamer3>chicago was being weird earlier, i think something is wrong with my local cable provider though
03:01<Dreamer3>back now
03:01<amitz>damn, another approaching linode payment and I haven't used it much..
03:02<Dreamer3>i just bought a 1440
03:02<Dreamer3>it's NICE )
03:02<Dreamer3>goes with my two 360s :)
03:02<amitz>I have this long process I'm running which will definitely consume your linode? want some? :-p
03:02<Dreamer3>oh i hope to consume it in the next few weeks on my own :)
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03:06<amitz>I should have make it threaded but it's too late now.. *sigh*.
03:06<SelfishMan>what are you running?
03:06<amitz>now it consumes a lot of processing power, just from 1 core :-(
03:07<amitz>SelfishMan: for programming competition purpose.
03:08<amitz>something I don't have to run if only I have stronger mathematical background..
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04:06<amitz>SelfishMan: sorry can't tell you much yet for fear of disqualification.. one and half more week.
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04:30<SelfishMan>amitz: no worries
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05:10<linbot>New news from forums: Announcement: Linode Backup Service (beta) in Backup Service Beta <>
05:11<Peng_>Nice, oxygen & synthon!
05:13<checkers>must be a prank, it couldn't POSSIBLY be the real world with real consequences catching up to them
05:21<kyhwana_>checkers: hmm, TVB will be interesting
05:22<checkers>oh, their youtube clone? doubt it
05:22<checkers>there are very very few videos not on youtube that I want to watch, and they are all prince music videos
05:24<kyhwana_>the video bay
05:24<kyhwana_>checkers: well, youtube keeps pulling stuff
05:25<kyhwana_>they pulled my 8 second clip of metalocalypse! man, wtf.. as well as a 1 minute clip from The Hog Father that I felt was a rather important message to send. (The end bit)
05:25<checkers>sure it happens, I'm just saying I'm pretty happy with their rather lax application of the rules as they are
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07:00<checkers>mmlj4: nice increase in costs, but it's a little complicated and strings-attached-ey. why not say something like "first 2hrs each moth is $50/hr, additional hours are charged at $100/hr"?
07:00<checkers>rather than the current "everything!* (*if everything is more than 2hrs we charge lots)
07:03<apecat>checkers: clearly shows that bitorrent is awesome technology, but not decentralized enough for these kinds if completely necessary but controversial projects
07:03<apecat>i mean, this should be basic infrastructure on the internet
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07:05<apecat>in the form of pirate bay you need cheesy banner ads/apyware
07:05<apecat>to support it
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07:07<checkers>what should be basic infrastructure? bittorrent?
07:07<kyhwana_>apecat: need ipv6 for that..
07:07<kyhwana_>especially when v4's run out
07:07<checkers>are you kidding? do you really think bittorrent should be treated as an alternative to HTTP? Or are you suggesting it is treated like HTTP?
07:08<HoopyCat>bittorrent already has mechanisms to operate without a centralized tracker
07:09<HoopyCat>problem is that people want to click on things on a web site instead of play guess-the-hash
07:11<HoopyCat>(there are probably experimental extensions to do decentralized searches, but such searches typically suck ass for less-popular content, and are slower than balls)
07:12<apecat>checkers: uncontrollable file sharing is definitely necessary infrastructure
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07:13<apecat>in the form of bitorrent it works only as long as someone like the tpb crowd has the guts to do it/mess with the auhtorities
07:13<HoopyCat>apecat: maybe you want tor instead of bittorrent
07:13<apecat>yeah, but it's not suitable for bittorent style sharing of massive files
07:14<apecat>tor is for anonymous (unsecured) http browsing
07:14<apecat>and other similar low b/w activities
07:15<HoopyCat>apecat: if the file is that massive and that important, compress it more :-)
07:16<apecat>you can't losslessly remove much stuff from already compressed audio/video
07:17<checkers>< apecat> checkers: uncontrollable file sharing is definitely necessary infrastructure <-- "neccessary"?
07:17<checkers>that's obviously false
07:17<apecat>necessary if you don't hate freedom
07:18<checkers>now you're as bad as them. If I don't believe in unfettered freedom, I hate freedom?
07:18<checkers>go play anarchist elsewhere, stop paying money to an evil corporation that restricts your use of your linode
07:19<HoopyCat>apecat: lose some, then... it's a tradeoff, and really, does the two-hour smoking-gun raw video of some assassination need to be 1920x1080 at 60 frames per second?
07:19<apecat>just because there's a lot of controversy about sharing of works protected by mercantilistic traditions it doesn't mean that it's not a good idea to use technology to decentralize information sharing
07:20<apecat>checkers: :P
07:20<checkers>I never said decentralised information sharing was a bad idea; I said saying bittorrent should be considered as essential as HTTP or TCP is insane
07:20<HoopyCat>apecat: there IS infrastructure to do it and it works very well, but people generally bypass it for convenience
07:20<apecat>anarchism doesn't really work when you involve humans
07:21<apecat>HoopyCat: yeah, but i have a feeling it will get more convenient soon enough
07:21<checkers>wait, so an uncontrolled form of government doesn't work, but an uncontrolled system of sharing is neccessary?
07:21<apecat>pretty much
07:22<apecat>or rather, uncontrollable
07:22<checkers>enjoy your ideas, you can keep them
07:22*checkers heads off for dinner
07:22<apecat>it's niot liek it doesn't have downsides :P
07:22<apecat>just look at 4chan :P
07:23<Peng_>HoopyCat: How else will we know if it's Photoshopped? :D
07:23<apecat>ok, bad joke, it's an http service
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07:24<apecat>checkers: and bittorrent is definitely not as essential as http or tcp, but some new form of more decentralized sharing of large files would definitely be essential
07:26<Peng_>TCP is by its nature more important than BitTorrent and HTTP, since they're layered on top of it/
07:27<Peng_>Unless <every other TCP user ever> is of zero importance, in which case (BT + HTTP) is equal to TCP.
07:27<HoopyCat>i fail to see the problem with bittorrent in that role
07:27<HoopyCat>people use TPB for *convenience*
07:27<Yaakov>IRC should have the lowest QoS.
07:27<_banana>what does TCP have to do with http or bittorrent
07:28<Peng_>I've never implemented QoS. How smart can it be?
07:28<HoopyCat>_banana: layer 4 of the seven-layer internet burrito:
07:28<Peng_>For me, SSH needs the highest priority. But transfers over SSH are what are most likely to suck bandwidth and kill my latency.
07:28<HoopyCat>Peng_: as smart as the mechanism in use to determine what the packet is
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07:29<_banana>HoopyCat: yeah i know, but http and bt are not comparable to TCP in any way
07:29<Yaakov>I propose MBP: Merit Based Prioritization which uses the content of the payload to determine the priority of a frame. For example, most of mwalling's frames would be dropped at his broadband router.
07:29<Peng_>HoopyCat: Are there QoS implementations that can prioritise low-BW connections on the same protocol over high-BW ones?
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07:29<mwalling>Yaakov: i saw that.
07:30<Yaakov>Ho, hello there.
07:30<Yaakov>Er.. Oh.
07:30<Yaakov>I... err... it was a typo.
07:30<Yaakov>I mean that thing up there.
07:30<Yaakov>I meant to say, "HAI MWALLING".
07:30<HoopyCat>_banana: in much the same way that my car is not comparable to the highway system
07:30<mwalling>uh huh
07:30<Yaakov>No, really.
07:31<_banana>yeah thats what i mean HoopyCat
07:31<mwalling>Yaakov: pparadis loves me... i have no need for your love if i decided to no longer desire it
07:31<_banana>so i dont know why it sbeing brought up
07:31<HoopyCat>_banana: without the highway system, my car would be... well, probably a cross between a tank and a death chainsaw with wheels. however, without the car, the highway system would be about as much use as airbags on a bicycle
07:32<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I have heard that your car is CURRENTLY such a combination.
07:32<HoopyCat>Peng_: yes
07:32<Peng_>HoopyCat: Coool.
07:33<Peng_>Is the QoS implementation on my $50, EOL broadband router that smart? Probably not. :D
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07:34<HoopyCat>Yaakov: actually, yes it is. still need new windshield wipers, though... rain fears not the moose grinder
07:36<HoopyCat>Peng_: prrrrobably not, alas. we used shiny happy boxes that were designed to sit in line and transparently massage traffic, and had price tags best expressed in engineering notation
07:37<Peng_>HoopyCat: Airbags on a bicycle would be awesome.
07:38<Peng_>Like how spaceships that land on Mars are surrounded by those gigantic airbags.
07:38<HoopyCat>Peng_: airbags *on the bicyclist* would be awesome
07:38<Peng_>Haha, good point.
07:38<Peng_>Although my bicycle has gotten more badly damaged than I have.
07:39<Peng_>Helmet, too.
07:39<HoopyCat>Peng_: safety mechanisms in cars work as well as they do because the major design assumption is "ejecting passenger == baaaad"
07:39<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Synchronized airbags front and back on the bicycle would work.
07:39<Peng_>Yaakov: That makes me imagine severed limbs flying out the side.
07:39<Peng_>And High Pressure Blood.
07:39*Peng_ needs to watch more sedate TV.
07:39<Yaakov>Yes, you have a warped imgaination.
07:40<HoopyCat>Yaakov: when you hit a pothole and the bike starts cartwheeling, the airbags will accelerate you away from the bike :-)
07:40<checkers>i fell of my bike on the way to work this morning
07:40*Yaakov rushes to patent "Balloon Animal Airbags" for children's car seats.
07:40<checkers>i have a cut on my leg THIS BIG
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07:40<HoopyCat>i think we need roll cages for bicycles, and maybe seatbelts... once you do that, might as well add a couple more wheels. it'll be pretty heavy, so you might as well add an engine too
07:40<checkers>and some road rash, but that's less exciting
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07:41*HoopyCat lowers his font size for checkers' comfort
07:45<HoopyCat>speaking of airbags on bicycles:
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07:48<checkers>take me to your leader
07:49<HoopyCat>"A man used a large rubber mallet to rob Tim Horton?s. The man opened a cash drawer, then took off to a waiting car."
07:49<HoopyCat>when the only tool you have is a large rubber mallet...
07:50<Yaakov>Everything looks like a large rubber nail.
07:52<HoopyCat>"A car window was smashed with a beer bottle." "Someone smashed the urinals in the bathrooms at Barnard Park." "A Webster man was charged with driving while intoxicated after police say he slammed into two separate cars and got a flat tire."
07:52<HoopyCat>man, we have frickin' hilarious crime here. i never realized this before i subscribed to the RSS feed.
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08:12<jdub>tasaro: thanks heaps for the dallas77 exodus :-)
08:16<praetorian>did you scare people off again? :)
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08:17<jdub>praetorian: well, if i managed to scare anything, it was dallas77 itself. brown trousers time!
08:17<praetorian>haha. i take it, that it.. died?
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08:25<HoopyCat>praetorian: <joke>ed mcmahon, michael jackson, and dallas77 are in line at the pearly gates
08:25<JshWright>s/ed mcmahon/billy mays/ makes for better joke possibilities, IMO
08:26<HoopyCat>oh, i dunno... that joke could already be a winner
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08:28<praetorian>and my lottery ticket is there too .. (it may as well be dead!)
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08:36<jdub>praetorian: it was becoming very ill, so tasaro helped shift everyone away from it before it could become a serious problem
08:37<praetorian>ah, cool.
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09:02<mig5>good evening you bastards
09:02<freedumMan>good day sir
09:03<checkers>hey ugly
09:11<erikh>yay, vbox 3.0 is out
09:12<JshWright>For some host's (most of the install packages aren't done uploading yet ;) )
09:12<erikh>I suppose.
09:12<JshWright>But, the OSE tarball is uploaded, so I'm good ;)
09:12<JshWright>In fact, it just finished compiling
09:13<erikh>idle load avg on this box has dropped considerably
09:13<erikh>there were a lot of windows fixes
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09:13<erikh>the little toolbar at the bottom is kind of annoying, though.
09:14<JshWright>I use VBoxSDL, so I don't notice it
09:15<JshWright>In fact, I don't even build the Qt GUI
09:15<encode>hmm. i might wait a day or 3 to see if there are any issues with version 3 before i switch
09:15<JshWright>The betas have been pretty solid
09:16<erikh>so far no problems here, windows build though.
09:17<encode>im using it on opensolaris
09:17<erikh>ah. I run it under windows so I don't have to dual boot, and can just pop out and play games on the PC.
09:19<checkers>OSE vbox? but you miss out on the USB fun
09:21<Nivex>I don't see it on
09:21<Nivex>oh, there it is.
09:21<Nivex>just wasn't in the News section
09:21<Karrde>oh boy version 3
09:21<JshWright>checkers: I miss out on the USB fun, but I find it more fun to hack on VBox in general ;)
09:23<checkers>fair point :)
09:23<checkers>now, let's see if they improved unity
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09:23<checkers>my computing world will be complete once I can run linux terminal emulators on windows xp with alt-tab and copy/paste working
09:27<mig5>my computing world will be complete when I hav a robot bear who offers me popcorn at the door when I come home from work
09:27<mig5>but, each to their own
09:27<mig5>me, popcorn and robots.. you, windows xp..
09:27<mig5>it takes all kinds
09:28<erikh>mig5: just get married
09:28<erikh>the robot is overrated
09:28<mig5>i'm engaged to a linux chick
09:28<mig5>that's pretty good :)
09:28<erikh>she can cook, right?
09:29<mig5>she might program the robot
09:29<mig5>she's half italian!
09:29<praetorian><insert comment about have you thought about spawning any processes together>
09:29<kyhwana_>checkers: run putty? or an xterm using an x server?
09:29<erikh>well perfect. see, if she makes the popcorn you just got an O(1) popcorn maker
09:29<StevenK>praetorian: Bwahaha
09:30<checkers>kyhwana_: putty sucks, xterms sucks less but still not a little as my emulator(s) of choice
09:30<mig5>praetorian: doubtful.
09:30<kyhwana_>checkers: which is?
09:30<checkers>konsole and terminator
09:30<mig5>terminator \o/
09:30*tychoish uses urxvt
09:31<kyhwana_>checkers: hmm
09:31<mig5>maybe windows needs a 'wine type app that can run linux programs :)
09:32*mig5 been fiddling with ulteo in the lat 48 hours
09:32<mig5>oh right :)
09:32<kyhwana_>mig5: it's called cygwin :P which means you have to recompile apps, but still
09:32<checkers>kyhwana_: vmware workstation's unity actually works pretty well, but for some reason on this system it uses a full 'core' of CPU time
09:32<kyhwana_>If they're all POSIX code, that'll work
09:32<mig5>i forgot about that.. like i forget about the dinosaurs from time to time
09:32<HoopyCat>i've been known to run colinux and an X server under the windows
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09:32<checkers>since i'm on a core i7 it's more annoying than a serious problem, but it still prevents CPU throttling and that's why I use vbox
09:32<Bdragon>Yeah, was gonna mention colinux
09:33<HoopyCat>(back before gnucash was compiled for windows)
09:33<erikh>I just run an ubuntu box in vbox
09:33<erikh>with the additions, it's perfect
09:34*jdub is mildly surprised no one has said "you're doing it backwards"...
09:34<checkers>I haven't tried ulteo or plain colinux recently, do they run gnome applications yet?
09:34<mig5>checkers: sure
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09:34<kyhwana_>Hobbsee: hmm
09:34<LordLandon>You could always set up xming, and xforward a terminal, or gnome-panels or something
09:34<erikh>until I can play the latest games on my linux box without using an emulator, i'm not. :)
09:34<kyhwana_>oh, I wonder if KDE for windows has konsole yet
09:35<mig5>jdub: what did you do to dallas77
09:35<HoopyCat>checkers: colinux is approximately like UML -- it's a kernel, and it can do whatever needs to do
09:35<checkers>mig5: oh, I remember the problem with colinux. It broke the heck out of my networking
09:35<checkers>ulteo worked though, but I never bothered to troubleshoot the colinux networking problems
09:35<mig5>fair enough
09:36<checkers>kyhwana_: konsole will never work with that, terminal backend is too linux specific sadly
09:36<checkers>that's my testing from recently
09:36<mig5>we had to set up a windows domU today. yuk
09:37<HoopyCat>for what it's worth, i walked into my wife's office one day, saw her playing freeciv, and then gave her the "so, what all do you use, anyway? freeciv, gnucash, firefox... and how much time do you spend fighting windows?" open-ended question
09:37<HoopyCat>shortly thereafter, she grabbed a cd-r and did what needed doin'
09:37<checkers>the other idea I looked at briefly was using citrix/nx to run a console on a remote machine
09:38<kyhwana_>nx works pretty well..
09:38<kyhwana_>Well, unless you have more than one monitor
09:38<checkers>yeah, but has the obvious disadvantages
09:38<checkers>that's one, and the other is that the console is a remote machine
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09:39<checkers>better ssh terminal is half the use of a console, but also having the GNU userland available in a better form than cygwin would be sweet
09:40<HoopyCat>ditch windows, it's the only way to turn your machine from a dumb terminal into a workstation
09:40<kyhwana_>there is putty for cygwin..
09:40<kyhwana_>ie, gives you a putty windows to cygwin on your local box
09:41<checkers>HoopyCat: wow I never thought of that idea it's so obvious and easy!
09:41<freedumMan>I'll be glad when Wine becomes 100% compatible or damn close
09:41<erikh>when I was forced to use cygwin, I just built X and urxvt and all that jazz.
09:41<Karrde>I just run sshd on cygwin and use putty to connect.. even locally
09:42<erikh>that works too. I just can't stand non-tiling wm's
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09:42<mig5>it's been years since i've had to actually use a windows machine
09:43<LordLandon>If you have two monitors, you can also get xming to take over the second one completely...
09:43<kyhwana_>Karrde: you don't need to run ssh for that
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09:45<Karrde>*shrug* I'm running it anyway
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09:46<erikh>I don't mind windows as a host, tbh.
09:46<erikh>I won't develop under it unless i have to, but it runs just fine and most of the driver woes and whatnot are relics at this point.
09:46<HoopyCat>checkers: if you search "Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Run Windows or OS X" in the onion, that's my picture, 'tho they changed my name
09:51<mmlj4>checkers: something to think about, thanks, but all of that is in response to caker's comment about hiring me for $1.65 per day :-)
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09:53<acton>anyone able to tell me if "" is a linode machine?
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09:53<@tjfontaine>it's in HE
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09:53-!-mode/#linode [-o tjfontaine] by tjfontaine
09:54<acton>is that their data center?
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09:54<tjfontaine>a data center
09:54*acton nods
09:54<mig5>yeah @ fremont.
09:54<acton>any staff available?
09:54<mig5>caker is contact
09:54<acton>well, here's why I ask.
09:54<tjfontaine>and it has the same uplink as another of my HE nodes, doesn't necessarily mean it's a linode box
09:54<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful community.
09:55<tjfontaine>are you here to report abuse?
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09:55<Peng_>Whois says that's a Linode IP.
09:55<acton>someone logged on to a mud (godwars II to be specific) using is a dreamhost, but it looks like nova is a linode. there were tons of spam coming from that, like 5-10 chars every 10 minutes or so, and theyir purpose was just to spam a channel
09:55<tjfontaine>Peng_: my whois just says HE
09:56<kyhwana_>It's a single hop away from my linode in fremont
09:56<mig5>anyone look at my link?
09:56<mig5>the whole abus@Linode thing..
09:56<Peng_>tjfontaine: Mine says Shore Network Technologies, which means Linode.
09:56<tjfontaine>`whois` on mine reports only HE, is what I'm saying
09:56<tjfontaine>mig5: stfu
09:57<tjfontaine>before I remove you
09:57<acton>can anyone handle that here? or does it need to be redirected elsewhere
09:57<mig5>acton maybe file a support ticket
09:57<mig5>so it's recorded somewhere.
09:57<mig5>or that.
09:57<acton>werd, will do. thanks.
09:58*mig5 removes himself
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09:59<HoopyCat>Shore Network Technologies HURRICANE-CE1301-9087 (NET-64-62-190-0-1)
09:59<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: your whois is broken
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09:59<tjfontaine>shush don't prove me wrong
10:00<bob2>your #1 source for cf hosting
10:00<tjfontaine>I know I didn't read fully
10:01*HoopyCat buys full-page ad in Sunday's New York Times: "The Truth About What tjfontaine Won't Tell You About His whois Skills - What Hope Does America Have?"
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10:32<jonathanpalley>Hi - hoping someone from linode is here. Just tried to signup and got a notice requesting scanned credit card/license. I'm hoping I can call someone or find some way around it. I'm in China (U.S. Citizen) and this will be a major pain to do
10:33<Bdragon>caker irgeek jed mikegrb pparadis tasaro tychoish ^^^
10:34<jonathanpalley>tasaro, caker, et. al..there?
10:34<JshWright>Bdragon: you forgot restelow
10:34<checkers>email supprot
10:34<@mikegrb>jonathanpalley: activated, welcome aboard
10:35<Bdragon>restelow isn't wearing his hat :P
10:35<checkers>or that.. :)
10:35-!-Irssi: #linode: Total of 286 nicks [7 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 279 normal]
10:35*emoboy dies... mikegrb said something other than lolz xD
10:35-!-emoboy is now known as Damian
10:35<jonathanpalley>ah, excellent. that's service. thanks
10:35-!-Damian is now known as Damianz
10:35<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:35<Bdragon>or mmm, cake
10:35<Bdragon>ha, that's right, keep up the illusion.
10:36<amitz>Bdragon: you forget amitz. Anybody having similar problems can give me his/her cc number, the 3 digits verification code, DOB, Full Name, Mother's maiden name, and SSN number muahahahaha
10:36<jonathanpalley>mikegrb: now that you guys are helping...any IP's I can test those different datacenter at? want to see which one works best from Asia
10:36<jonathanpalley>(test before making my first node at)
10:36<@mikegrb>^ that
10:36<Bdragon>ha, beat me
10:37<amitz>me first! that proves my special status :-)
10:38*Damianz wonders back to screaming at python
10:38<@tychoish>what did the first five commenters on a youtube video say?
10:39<linbot>Peng_: Fremont360 - 34, Fremont540 - 23, Fremont720 - 27, Fremont1080 - 5, Fremont1440 - 4, Fremont2880 - 3
10:39<checkers>wait, are you another new employee?
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10:39<Peng_>I'm officially losing track of employees now.
10:40<checkers>yeah jeez
10:40*Peng_ goes /away
10:40<@tychoish>Peng_: I'm new, so, it's ok :/
10:40<checkers>there's a #linode rule: you aren't official until there's a blog post
10:40<Peng_>tychoish: OK, but I'm going to conflate the existence of you and everybody who comes after you. Sorry. :D
10:41<purrdeta>but you are mostly official +o
10:41<Peng_>tychoish: Anyway. Welcome aboard! :D Are you an old customer or totally new?
10:41<Peng_>tychoish: Can I pester you about IPv6? :D
10:42*Peng_ really goes /away
10:42<purrdeta>Peng_: I think I meant "Can I pester you?"
10:42<purrdeta>YOU meant after all
10:42<@mikegrb>I thought tychoish already had a blog post
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10:42<@tychoish>but it said Sam
10:42<krmdrms>yep :)
10:43<krmdrms>"Sam's a prolific blogger, compulsive knitter, and *nix tweaker."
10:43<erikh>lay off the meth
10:43<purrdeta>knitter. nice
10:43<checkers>ah, sam, tycho. a comon shortening
10:44<Bdragon>"the keys are like right next to each other."
10:44<@tychoish>we get what we get ;)
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10:54<purrdeta>so I need to amuse myself somehow
10:55<purrdeta>At work.
10:55<purrdeta>though good idea :P
10:55<JshWright>porn through a SOCKS proxy?
10:56<purrdeta>the problem is not the network watchers. Its the people sitting around me haha
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10:59*Nivex makes a note to view those later
10:59<krmdrms>VIEW THEM NOW!
11:00<purrdeta>totally viewed them now
11:00<purrdeta>and shared with the co-workers
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11:01<scott>please send any good ones you find my way for the collection :)
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11:01<Yaakov>sungo: However, bowing to social pressure, I fixed it. On the other hand, "fixed" is a relative thing, IPV6 addresses being MUCH longer then IPV4 addresses...
11:01<purrdeta>will do :)
11:02*Yaakov needs to do something for my brain.
11:02<txwolf>morning linoders
11:02<@pparadis>good morning
11:02<scott>Yaakov: porn?
11:02<@pparadis>Yaakov porn? Sign me up.
11:02<Yaakov>pparadis: No...
11:02<Yaakov> <-- Nicely laid out for IPV4
11:02<txwolf>woo hoo nothing like the smell of fresh pron in the morning
11:02<Yaakov>But not for IPV6.
11:03<purrdeta>wow work is boring :P
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11:03<Damianz>purrdeta: I wish I had work :P
11:04<purrdeta>well, I find that sitting around doing nothing and getting paid is not as glamorous as people think.
11:04<Yaakov>Mind you, IPV6 now does WORK.
11:04<purrdeta>though it is nice, eventually I do want to do something and not sit around bored.
11:04<txwolf>heyas Yaakov, can one safely delete archived files in the root folder if they are gzipped,
11:04<purrdeta>Or at least they can pay me to sleep :)
11:05<Yaakov>txwolf: Yes, with very rare exceptions, gzipped files are not being "used".
11:05*pparadis keeps all his system files gzipped and decompresses on the fily.
11:05<@pparadis>fly rather
11:05<txwolf>sweet there is my space issues, tired of the log saying cannot write to disk disk full
11:06<Yaakov>pparadis: I believe that of you.
11:06<@pparadis>txwolf: time for moar disk space?
11:06<txwolf>cannot afford it right now
11:06<@pparadis>roger that
11:06<txwolf>so have to keep clean what i have for now
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11:07<purrdeta>I have 9.3G left :)
11:07*pparadis wants a nixie tube wristwatch.
11:07<txwolf>care to share lol
11:07<txwolf>hey there is my friend mikegrb he follows me round the net now im thinking that bot is a stalker
11:08<txwolf>ok well im off to gather up some more room for the site bblater
11:08<@pparadis>we've secretly switched txwolf's ubuntu install with a lean, mean debian lenny image. let's see if he can tell the difference.
11:08<Pryon>you are the first person to accuse mikegrb of being a stalker
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11:09<txwolf>whew now hes not on my ass any more he is yours now damianz
11:09<txwolf>lets play pass the mikegrb around
11:09<Damianz>I know its awful.
11:10<purrdeta>pparadis: you are all for secret switches
11:10<Damianz>txwolf: Stop playing with poort mikegrb xD
11:10<purrdeta>poor mikebot
11:10<@mikegrb>mmm cake
11:10<@pparadis>mikegrb sez "let them eat cake"
11:10<txwolf>hey now where did my website go......
11:10<@pparadis>he noticed
11:11<Damianz>Debian ftw!
11:11<txwolf>mikegrb sez switch it back
11:11<txwolf>dang didnt work
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11:12<txwolf>neways, says i have 4 ghigs free in linode cp but actual disk says full hmmmmmmmm
11:12<purrdeta>resize the disk then
11:12<@pparadis>you should resize your disk image then ;)
11:13<@pparadis>shut down first
11:15*tjfontaine down firsts the shut
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11:19<txwolf>ok that worked
11:20<txwolf>now to use the fifteen minutes of free time to clean out some more space before it fills up again
11:20<txwolf>heyas freedum
11:21<txwolf>wow now i have room to actually build some addons woohoo
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11:24<checkers>anyone seeing super lag to texas?
11:25<linbot>mwalling: [mtr] 11 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 39.7ms
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11:27<tjfontaine>checkers: nope
11:27<tjfontaine>checkers: latency has been great today for me
11:27<opello>same here
11:27<opello>tjfontaine: <3
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11:27<mwalling>checkers: mtr or it didnt happen
11:28<tjfontaine>opello: your irssi isn't from linode, fix it :)
11:28<opello>tjfontaine: some day ... :p
11:28<opello>*cough* abuse of powers!!!
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11:28<tjfontaine>opello: that's what friends ar efor
11:29*mwalling proposes we mass /whois tjfontaine
11:29<purrdeta>or just /hug tjfontaine.
11:29<opello>actually using host ... the broadcast :p
11:31*LordLandon fixed ubb's youtube thing to work with videos copyright-restricted from it's country C=
11:33<checkers>actually I'm seeing really horrible %iowait, but my system isn't doing anything horrible
11:34<checkers>any ops around to check io load on dallas123?
11:35<tjfontaine>thanks jed
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11:36<@jed>checkers: stand by
11:36<@jed>load on your host is .27, nothing out of the ordinary, i'll poke around for you
11:37<checkers>avg-cpu: %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle 0.96 11.11 0.23 43.61 0.09 44.01
11:37<checkers>i'm seeing that sort of huug iowait, but nothing on my VM seems to be the cause
11:41<txwolf>forgot that i have 2 linodes one for sql and other for host, must clean out sql server as well
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11:47<txwolf>wow i actually had like 5 complete functioning copies of my website on other linode how did those get there
11:48<txwolf>now i am feeling like adrian monk, must cleant
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11:52<checkers>jed: seems fine now
11:53*checkers properly heads offf to watch some TV and then sleep
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12:02<JshWright>Every once in a while django is a little too "magic" for my tastes...
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12:10<sungo_>for the moment
12:10<Yaakov>mikegrb: LOOK WHO'S HERE
12:10*sungo_ is fighting with nickserv
12:10<@mikegrb>uh oh
12:10*axod looks around
12:10<Yaakov>Does nickserv hate you?
12:10<sungo_>Yaakov: I messed up my irssi config and made nickserv angry with me.
12:10<Yaakov>mikegrb has a crush on you.
12:11<Yaakov>Well, tjfontaine here can /kill you or whatever...
12:11<Yaakov>Oh wait, that's probably not a cure.
12:11<chargrill>suicide is never the solution
12:12<Peng_>Ah, right, pparadis! That's who I forgot! :D
12:12<Peng_>Hi pparadis. :D
12:12<purrdeta>so hungry...
12:12*Peng_ goes away again.
12:12<Yaakov>pparadis: It's sungo --->
12:12<Peng_>Crap, I forgot about eating.
12:12<MarkQtty>chargrill: it's only a easy exit door..
12:12<Yaakov>HELLO PENG
12:12-!-sungo_ is now known as sungo
12:13<sungo>I'd say the one and only sungo. but it turns out that's not true
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12:13<sungo>though, when my hitmen finish, it'll be true again
12:14<@pparadis>Hi Peng_ :)
12:14<Yaakov>Someone tried to be you
12:14<@pparadis>who tried to be me
12:14<Yaakov>pparadis: sungo is here!
12:14<sungo>WHO RANG
12:14<Yaakov>No, someone tried to be sungo.
12:14<Yaakov>pparadis: You met sungo at YAPC, surely.
12:14<@pparadis>Hello sungo
12:14<sungo>yes. we met
12:14<linbot>New news from forums: Major problems getting mail working on Ubuntu 9.04 in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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12:15<freedumMan>pparadis, I tried to be u but failed
12:15<@pparadis>there can be only one
12:15<@pparadis>sungo: how are you?
12:15<sungo>pparadis: mostly recovered
12:15<@mikegrb>mmm cake
12:15<@pparadis>HOLE even
12:15<Yaakov>err.. HOLE
12:15<sungo>what's a hile?
12:15<Yaakov>It's a special case hole.
12:16<tjfontaine>suicide is painless
12:16<@irgeek>Is that one of those square holes that don't fit round pegs everyone is always talking about?
12:16<Yaakov>irgeek: It *can* be.
12:16<@pparadis>i fit my square peg in urmom's round hole.
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12:17<freedumMan>pparadis, was it fun
12:17<@tychoish>pparadis: hile we call that
12:17<Yaakov>pparadis: Yo momma's so stupid she tried to blow up a car and burnt her lips on the tailpipe!
12:17<@pparadis>Yaakov: you must add that one to the DB.
12:17<Yaakov>I leave the manual labor to others, if they care to...
12:17<@pparadis>lesser souls, as it were
12:18<Yaakov>Well, someone who knows the URL!
12:18<@pparadis>or that
12:18<Yaakov>Or is not too lazy to find it.
12:18<Yaakov>I am none of these things.
12:18<Yaakov>Hello, tychoish.
12:18*tychoish waves
12:19<linbot>pparadis: Yo momma's so big, she doesn't need a telephone to communicate (811:0/2) [momru]
12:19<@pparadis>!urmom vote down 811
12:19<linbot>pparadis: Voted 811 down [rmmuo]
12:19<linbot>pparadis: Yo momma's so ignorant, She thinks a computer is the monitor. (758:0/0) [rmmuo]
12:20<@pparadis>more suckage
12:20<sungo>did you all want me in here for bragging rights?
12:20*amitz thinks there should be a newbie channel for each topic where only short and easy to answer questions are welcomed. It can greatly shorten learning curve.
12:20<@pparadis>!urmom vote down 758
12:20<linbot>pparadis: Voted 758 down [umomr]
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12:20<Yaakov>sungo: mikegrb got very excited when he (mistaknely) thought you were here.
12:20*pparadis nominates amitz to spend his time monitoring fifteen newbie channels on isolated topics.
12:21<Yaakov>sungo: It seems in the best interest of all Linode users to keep mikegrb happy.
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12:21<sungo>Yaakov: at the very least, it's in's best interest :)
12:21<Yaakov>sungo: This is certainly true.
12:21<@pparadis>Yaakov: mikegrb and i are tight, yo.
12:21<Yaakov>pparadis: mikegrb was pretty loose most of the time I saw him.
12:22<@pparadis>you have no idea, actually
12:22<Yaakov>I have SOME idea.
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12:22<Yaakov>sungo: If it isn't a burden, frankly, I think this is your kind of crowd in certain ways...
12:22<Yaakov>sungo: Which, when I say it, scares me.
12:22<amitz>hmm interesting idea.., not the monitoring but the need :-)
12:23<sungo>Yaakov: oh I know it is. I was here for a long while. Then ... life got complicated and the quantum state collapsed
12:23<Yaakov>Ah, well, welcome back to the wave function, now in progress.
12:24<HoopyCat>amitz: never underestimate the learning by osmosis that can happen in a more general channel like this one. then again, some people aren't down with the whole "treat IRC like some people treat emacs" way of life
12:24<mattt>wait, what?
12:25<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Could you state that in the form of a parable?
12:26<Pryon>Or, perhaps, an allegory
12:26<HoopyCat>Yaakov: man who idle on IRC learn a lot about things
12:26<linbot>freedumMan: Yo momma doesn't like people named freedumMan [ummor]
12:27<Yaakov>That's not a parable!
12:27<Pryon>I think he put 'emacs' in there merely to agitate people with a particular sensitivity to that sort of thing
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12:29<phennessy>HoopyCat: how about a limerick?
12:29<rsdehart>a haiku, perhaps
12:29<phennessy>i don't care for them as much
12:30<rsdehart>a sonnet?
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12:30<mattt>all I need to know in life
12:30<amitz>HoopyCat: amen to that. It's just that I'm learning some new stuff and I throw some very easy question but no one answer. I will eventually find the information but if I do that my learning speed is stunted. Maybe I look like a troll :-p
12:31<Pryon>amitz: we would prefer to set you on fire
12:31<mattt>always finish trolls off with fire, to prevent regenerating
12:32<amitz>Pryon: that's for witch.
12:32<Pryon>Well, I was thinking of a different aphorism
12:32<Pryon>amitz: do you float?
12:33<amitz>Pryon: One day, I will eventually float.
12:33<Pryon>And what also floats, apart from witches?
12:33<HoopyCat>amitz: yeah, sometimes bad timing makes questions just kinda fizzle off... once in awhile, if i'm bored, i'll go back through the scrollback and see if there's anything that got missed
12:33<amitz>HoopyCat: oh, btw, not in this channel. Other channels. :-)
12:34<HoopyCat>amitz: happens here too :-)
12:34<amitz>Pryon: I feel I'm in a *woosh* moment. :-)
12:34<Yaakov>"Once there were two friends who decided to go to the library in the next town together. As they started on their way, one of the friends began walking very quickly. 'Hurry up, we have several miles to go', he told the other, who was walking slowly and admiring the surroundings. 'I'd rather enjoy the walk', said the calmer friend. 'Very well', said the agitated one, 'but I want to get to the library quickly!' 'I will meet you there' he said, ...
12:34<Yaakov>... walking quickly away. The slower friend continued at his leisurely pace; enjoying the sights, smells, sounds and most of all the people he met along the way. He had several interesting conversations and made some new friends. After a few hours he arrived where the library should have been, only to find a deep crater and many scattered body parts. It turned out that just after his friend had arrived at the library, gas which had been ...
12:34<Pryon>Nah, it's just cultural deprivation. Let me see if I can locate appropriate reference material.
12:35<Yaakov>... leaking from the fountain of flames which was the centerpiece in the library's atrium had been ignited by a spark, killing everyone in the library and several people in surrounding homes. 'It's just as well', thought the surviving friend, 'for now I see that I have left my library card in my pants, which I forgot to put on.'
12:35<Yaakov>HoopyCat: There's a parable for you.
12:35<@pparadis>that's freaking awesome
12:35<Yaakov>I *think* it makes your point.
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12:36<mattt>Wow, from now on, I'm never wearing pants. :/
12:36<Yaakov>Needs editing.
12:37<Yaakov>Irssi is a bad place to write things.
12:37<Yaakov>But I think that explains HoopyCat's emacs comment.
12:41<Pryon>I'm more confused than I was 6 minutes ago, which is a pretty good trick.
12:41<HoopyCat>Yaakov: that is, indeed, a good parable, and explains it well
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12:41<Yaakov>I am glad that it did.
12:42<amitz>Pryon: downloading. I saw many references to "monty python" since long ago but neglected to learn it. Time for wikipedia.
12:43<linbot>txwolf: Yo momma's so ignorant, She tried to set up a server running MS-DOS. (759:0/0) [mruom]
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12:43<txwolf>hee hee that was true at one point
12:43<linbot>freedumMan: Yo momma doesn't like people named freedumMan [oummr]
12:43<Pryon>amitz: You'll either find it funny, stupid, or be confused.
12:44-!-freedumMan is now known as test
12:44-!-test is now known as test3333
12:44<linbot>test3333: Yo momma's so full of fail, she managed to DDoS! (729:0/0) [mrmou]
12:44-!-test3333 is now known as freedumMan
12:45<freedumMan>take that linbot !
12:45<txwolf>lo lolitalol
12:45<txwolf>cant catch me mike
12:45*pparadis slaps txwolf
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12:46<txwolf>pparadis: was that suppose to hurt if so it did
12:47<txwolf>!urmom pparadis
12:47<linbot>txwolf: Yo momma's so nasty she had sex with Yaakov and then kissed pparadis (826:0/0) [momur]
12:47<@pparadis>outstanding! was that after Yaakov and I did unspeakable things or before?
12:48<txwolf>hope your stocked up on Penisyllin
12:48<@pparadis>for when i'm illin'
12:48<amitz>Pryon: can't watch with voice on now, probably tomorrow. Wifey is asleep.
12:49<@pparadis>amitz needs headphones
12:49<txwolf>unspeakable things means boring out the wee wee and getting a shot in the arse
12:49<@pparadis>txwolf: in the navy they aren't very gentle at medical.
12:49<txwolf>at least thats what sister mary clarence told me
12:50<Yaakov>txwolf just wanted to write p-e-n-i-s, he knows the real spelling!
12:50<txwolf>you sub mariner
12:50<@pparadis>the best marine is a submarine
12:50*Pryon refuses to make a joke about seamen
12:51<txwolf>hardy harr harr how did you know i was Marine
12:51<@pparadis>i know a lot of marines
12:51<txwolf>did ya hear the one bout the Navy admiral and the Marine General in the head taking a piss
12:52<@pparadis>gee, how does that one go? ;)
12:53<txwolf>Marine finishes and goes to walk out the door and the Admiral says "in the navy they teach us to wash our hands after we piss" the General in turn replies " The Marine Corps Teaches us not to Piss on our hands
12:53<@pparadis>funny how the roles are reversed depending on who's telling the story ;)
12:53<txwolf>very true
12:53<@pparadis>but still a good one
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12:54<txwolf>my ultimate favorite one is this and ill be quiet after for a while so i can continue to wreak havoc on my server
12:54<SelfishMan>!urmom stats
12:54<linbot>SelfishMan: There are currently 73 urmom jokes in the database. Add more at [mmuor]
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12:55<freedumMan>SelfishMan, hmmm so why is it i cant call urmom anymore :(
12:55<Pryon>!urmom freedumMan
12:55<linbot>Pryon: Yo momma's so slow, Norton runs faster than her! (743:8/0) [ommur]
12:55<linbot>freedumMan: Yo momma doesn't like people named freedumMan [mmuor]
12:55<linbot>freedumMan: Yo momma doesn't like people named freedumMan [rmuom]
12:55<freedumMan>uhhh huh
12:56<Pryon>The more you do that the longer your wait will be
12:56<SelfishMan>Maybe it will work the third time
12:56<linbot>freedumMan: Yo momma doesn't like people named freedumMan [murom]
12:56<SelfishMan>Pryon: Nah, won't matter because he was blacklisted
12:56-!-freedumMan is now known as nope333
12:56<linbot>nope333: Yo momma's so fat they mistook her for the ninth planet! (723:0/1) [mmuor]
12:56<Pryon>you gonna get banned
12:56-!-nope333 is now known as freedumMan
12:57<@pparadis>i'm sick of these mutha fuggin yo momma jokes in this mutha fuggin channel!
12:57<tjfontaine>pparadis: tell us how you really feel
12:57<@pparadis>not really
12:57<freedumMan>you could tell urmom
12:57<tjfontaine>pparadis: he's clearly calling you a pussy
12:58<txwolf>A marine and a Sailor were in the Head Taking a piss when a lil boy walks in and steps up to the urinal between them and looks at the Sailor and says wow are you a real Sailor, the sailor says why yes i am, the lil boy asks if he can wear his Cover and the sailor agrees, so the lil boy is peeing and singing "I'm a Real Sailor" repeating himself over and over, then he looks at the Marine and asks if he is a real Marine and the Marine gru
12:59<tjfontaine>510 is your friend
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12:59<tjfontaine>512=510+\r\n :)
12:59<@pparadis>tjfontaine: i've made a note to do some filesystem cleanup on freedumMan's Linode.
12:59<Pryon>and not even *that* part of the RFC is observed by some clients
12:59<tjfontaine>pparadis: excellent
12:59<sungo>I've oft pondered compiling our ircds with a very small line limit
13:00<tjfontaine>SpaceHobo: no I made it first
13:00<@pparadis>i made it with urmom
13:00<freedumMan>pparadis, lol
13:00<sungo>whould it be too evil to compile a public ircd with a line length limit of 140?
13:00<tjfontaine>Pryon: some networks have increased the single line limit
13:00<@pparadis>that's jacked up.
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13:00<Pryon>If a network told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?
13:00<tjfontaine>SpaceHobo: ok
13:00<Yaakov>sungo: TwitterIRCd.
13:00<sungo>tjfontaine: the rest of us installed pastebots
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13:01<Pryon>Mmmmm. pastabot
13:01<sungo>Yaakov: a) yes. b) the reverse exists
13:01<@pparadis>sungo: sup dawg, i heard you like twitter, so i put a char limit in your line limit so you can be restricted while you're restricted.
13:01<sungo>you know!
13:01<sungo>I wonder how difficult it would be to let shorter line lengths be configured per user class in hybrid
13:02<sungo>would lose some speed, perhaps, but you'd make it up in humor
13:02<tjfontaine>there's so much that can be done in hybrid why waste it on that
13:02<Yaakov>We need to find a way to return the fail whale for > 140.
13:02<sungo>tjfontaine: because I'm a bastard and we've already hacked in all of our actual *needs* :)
13:03<sungo>Yaakov: ascii failwhale
13:03<Yaakov>I was thinking...
13:03<sungo>in notice
13:03<Yaakov>Or, ASCII dngor...
13:03*bd_ proposes a per-line character limit of (80 - 9 - $nicklen)
13:03<tjfontaine>just send numeric 140 when they do it, make the client display it
13:03<Yaakov>Or, ASCII dngor...
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13:05<@pparadis>file this under awesomely bad:
13:05<tjfontaine>is this a porn?
13:05<mwalling>opello: yes it is
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13:22<freedumMan>this girls crazy
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13:23<UberBoogerBot>^ == Spricket24 for Prez! uploaded by spricket24. [Duration: 2:43] [Views: 53,150]
13:25<axod>lol nice bot
13:25<axod>haven't seen that before
13:25<axod>although if you were using a decent client..... ;)
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13:30<armbruster>is it just me, or is nginx not really friendly to php5?
13:30<sungo>who is?
13:31<freedumMan>armbruster, what you trying to do?
13:31<armbruster>nginx is yelling at me when i try to use php5 on it.
13:31<krmdrms>gateway error?
13:31*sungo struggles to resist
13:31<armbruster>it's like a bitchy little brat compared to apache2, but it's lighter.
13:32<armbruster>yeah, krmdrms, gateway.
13:32<armbruster>the beloved 502.
13:32<freedumMan>why not tweak apache2 to your needs
13:32<tjfontaine>you've clearly not tried to used apache2+fastcgi
13:33<armbruster>i just like nginx for static files, but i need php5 on it now, and it's just... not letting me.
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13:34<armbruster>what's up with the bad gateway error?
13:36<Nivex>I use apache2+fastcgi and like it just fine
13:36<tjfontaine>it's just as fidgety is my point
13:37<krmdrms>I'm using nginx + apache. Of course i dont need to run both i dont have a huge load web site. I did just for fun before. :)
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13:38<armbruster>but why won't nginx work with php5? that's the question.
13:38<krmdrms>armbuster priivaaateeee :)
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13:40<@irgeek>Are the php5 processes started?
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13:42<tjfontaine>irgeek: your help is not wanted
13:42<@irgeek>I guess not.
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13:42<krmdrms>i was trying to help him but where is he
13:42<krmdrms>oh he is online
13:43<mwalling>what is peoples obcession to helping in queries?
13:43<krmdrms>oh ok
13:44<Yaakov>irgeek: *I* want your help.
13:44*Damianz yawns
13:45<Yaakov>"Obsession", moran.
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13:47*mwalling wonders if he should do another site:
13:48<mwalling>harly davidson is giving me the weather forcast for absecon right now on pandor
13:49<@irgeek>!wx kacy'
13:49<linbot>irgeek: [metar] OBS at KACY': F/C, visibility miles, wind 0.00 mph (altimeter: ) []
13:49<@irgeek>!wx kacy
13:49<linbot>irgeek: [metar] OBS at KACY: 82.4F/28C, visibility 10 miles, wind 10.36 mph (altimeter: 29.57) [KACY 301654Z 16009KT 10SM CLR 28/19 A2957 RMK AO2 SLP011 T02830194 ]
13:49<mwalling>!wx kalb
13:49<linbot>mwalling: [metar] OBS at KALB: 80.6F/27C, visibility 10 miles, wind 11.51 mph (altimeter: 29.54) [KALB 301651Z 16010G17KT 10SM CLR 27/16 A2954 RMK AO2 SLP002 T02720156]
13:50<Yaakov>!wx kord
13:50<linbot>Yaakov: [metar] OBS at KORD: 64.4F/18C, visibility 10 miles, wind 10.36 mph (altimeter: 29.66) [KORD 301651Z 32009KT 10SM OVC033 18/11 A2966 RMK AO2 SLP040 T01830106]
13:52<purrdeta>!wx kdfw
13:52<linbot>purrdeta: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 84.2F/29C, visibility 10 miles, wind 3.45 mph (altimeter: 29.87) [KDFW 301653Z 20003KT 10SM FEW100 BKN150 BKN300 29/19 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP104 T02890194]
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13:52<purrdeta>hmm I expected it to be hotter
13:53<purrdeta>at least it feels hotter
13:54<Nivex>!wx krdu
13:54<linbot>Nivex: [metar] OBS at KRDU: 91.4F/33C, visibility 10 miles, wind 11.51 mph (altimeter: 29.62) [KRDU 301751Z 26010G16KT 10SM SCT080 SCT150 33/13 A2962 RMK AO2 SLP025 T03330128 10339 20228 58005]
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14:04<opello>mwalling: ?
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14:05<tjfontaine>opello: re: stackoverflow
14:10<opello>i still don't follow
14:10<tjfontaine>re your tweet about stackoverflow
14:10<opello>sorry :/ thanks
14:10<tjfontaine>go back to work :)
14:11<opello>i just got back from lunch :p
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14:15<interkont>my account ends today, but i though that today at 11:59 pm not in the morning, and i can't access to get a backup or something and i dont know if my information exists or something
14:18<@caker>interkont: we didn't cancel any accounts
14:19<straterra>Isn't that tonight? o.O
14:19<freedumMan>they took away my urmom usage :(
14:19<linbot>purrdeta: Yo momma's so paranoid, she wears tinfoil panties! (739:0/2) [omrum]
14:19<interkont>so if we pay today, we get our node as it was ?
14:19<freedumMan>must be nice
14:19<silverblade>i can imagine that could be somewhat hazardous
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14:20<@caker>interkont: I'm sorry, I'm not following you. You cancelled your account and now you want it back?
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14:21<krmdrms>@caker: when do you suspend and close accounts. i have some problems on my credit card so payment will be late a bit.
14:22<@caker>krmdrms: warning on the 3rd or so, suspension a few days after, deletion mid-late month. Open a ticket
14:22<krmdrms>thanks caker
14:22<SelfishMan>caker: I don't feel like payinbg my bil this month. Can I just skip it this time?
14:23<SelfishMan>wow, this lag is killing me
14:23<sungo>I wish this were the matrix
14:24<sungo>Then I could actually stab people over the 'net and they'd die
14:25<purrdeta>I hope they get my paycheck out on time
14:27<tjfontaine>axod: fix this:
14:27<tjfontaine>[06-30] 14:21 -!- siara [] has joined #oftc
14:27<tjfontaine>[06-30] 14:22 < siara> add me shells
14:27<tjfontaine>axod: make your users smarter
14:27<axod>tjfontaine: lol
14:28<axod>so freenode just blocked the Mibbit *Java Applet* based on realname
14:28<axod>anyone see that as pretty low
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14:28<axod>guess it's their time
14:28<tjfontaine>axod: that flash/java remoting you were planning was sufficiently evil :)
14:29<axod>tjfontaine: it's just a java applet irc client :/
14:29<axod>why evil?
14:29<tjfontaine>oh they blocked that one
14:29<axod>they hate me. I get it :)
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14:29<tjfontaine>axod: well, 1/2 the utility of your site is you don't need java or flash
14:29<SelfishMan>freedumMan: s/they/SelfishMan/
14:30<axod>wouldn't say 1/2,
14:30<axod>some of it
14:30<tjfontaine>I would say 1/2 to 9/10 :)
14:30<axod>still, blocking certain clients that you dislike is low
14:30<axod>tjfontaine: you don't have all the data ;)
14:30<axod>most mibbit users are on widgets on websites, not using the main client
14:30*SelfishMan classifies js with flash and java
14:35*irgeek classifies SelfishMan as a 'hostile target'
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14:37<JshWright>heh... I just created a text file called "dog_breeds" and ran a perl regex on it, then do see if the regex did what I expected, I ran "cat dog_breeds"
14:37<JshWright>I either need more coffee of less, because I found that _really_ amusing...
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14:44<JshWright>And on that topic... Does this make me a bad person: (ignore the lorem ipsum, and lack of functionality, it's only been about an hour since I registered the domain)
14:51<SelfishMan>irgeek: damn straight I'm a hostile target
14:51<freedumMan>SelfishMan, hey i was away from my PC not nice
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14:58<@irgeek>JshWright: What's the blue-book on a 10 year old black cat who's about as wide as he is long?
14:58<SelfishMan>Hmm...I'm noticing a surprising lack of jed in this channel
14:58<SelfishMan>!seen jed
14:58<linbot>SelfishMan: jed was last seen in #linode 3 hours, 21 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <jed> load on your host is .27, nothing out of the ordinary, i'll poke around for you
14:58<tjfontaine>irgeek: bouncing cat ball!
14:58<JshWright>Sorry... dogs only... I'm not much of a cat person, so you might find the estimate to be a little low ;)
14:58<@caker>axod: ping?
14:59<axod>hi caker
14:59<silverblade>widedog + longcat + a tin of black paint?
15:00<tjfontaine>axod: hahaha, first line on the home page of your site: No Java, no flash.
15:01<SelfishMan>axod: I'm curious what size nodes you are running and what the average node load and host load is
15:03<axod>SelfishMan: the main client runs on a 1400... main consideration is memory+bw really
15:03<axod>nothing too cpu intensive
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15:03<axod>tjfontaine: I never thought I'd be writing a java applet again :(
15:04<SelfishMan>why linode?
15:04<mwalling>SelfishMan: he was on slicehost
15:04<SelfishMan>oh yeah
15:04<SelfishMan>why slicehost then?
15:04<axod>SelfishMan: the awesome support, stability, friendliness,
15:04<axod>the admin panel is great
15:05<tjfontaine>axod: I think our decisions for webirc are helpful and wouldn't need you to finish the java applet
15:05<SelfishMan>Not complaining and happy to have you here just curious about why people go the VPS route
15:05<tjfontaine>Linode isn't complaining either :)
15:05<axod>tjfontaine: definitely. I was going to ask about where we can go next with that
15:05<axod>java applet seems a good backup plan for other networks though
15:05<tjfontaine>axod: it's just about getting the right motivation to push it out
15:06<SelfishMan>Silverlight FTW!
15:06<axod>tjfontaine: sure. Let me know if there's anything I can help with,
15:06<axod>or discuss etc,
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15:07<axod>anyone know if application/octet-stream will prevent anything from rendering in browser?
15:07<axod>and instead download it
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15:07<tjfontaine>are you having that problem, or are you just trying to force the browser to download
15:07<mwalling>i think you want content-disposition
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15:08<axod>tjfontaine: I want to force it to download rather than try+display
15:08<tjfontaine>axod: mwalling has it right then
15:08<SelfishMan>I think most browser interpret application/octet-stream as "download only"
15:09<axod>mwalling: attachment?
15:09<axod>cool thanks guys
15:10<tjfontaine>irgeek: thanks for letting us know
15:10<@mikegrb>irgeek is cool like that
15:11<tjfontaine>so true
15:11*axod feels lost without irgeek already :o
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15:18*freedumMan i like irgeek he's the man
15:19<SelfishMan>!urmom pparadis
15:19<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so nasty she had sex with Yaakov and then kissed pparadis (826:0/0) [mrmuo]
15:19<SelfishMan>Someone doesn't like you!
15:19*freedumMan I like SelfishMan too !
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15:34<maxhodak>hi guys, having trouble setting up MX records in linode's dns manager
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15:35<maxhodak>google mail wants me to use an off-domain server for mail delivery, but linode's dns control panel seems to only let me enter domains that i have local A records for
15:35<maxhodak>not ips, cnames, or anything not under the same domain
15:35<@caker>MX records need to be FQDNs. They do not need to be within the same zone
15:36<@caker>What are you attempting to enter?
15:36<maxhodak>for example, ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.
15:36<@caker>lose the trailing period
15:36<maxhodak>alright, that goes through
15:37<maxhodak>should have seen that... the trailing period is formally correct, though
15:40<mario>maxhodak: they probably add it :)
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15:52<phennessy>maxhodak: i have a script to create them easier than typing them all in
15:53<phennessy>let me try that again.
15:53<phennessy>maxhodak: i have a script to enter those records which is easier than typing them all in.
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16:11<Camilo>hi again, sorry for leave but i was on a problem here =P
16:14<HoopyCat>if there was a problem, yo i'll solve it; check out the hook while my dj revolves it.
16:14<Camilo>i have a question, is there a discount for paying 3 months in advance ?
16:14<acton>Caker: You around?
16:15<HoopyCat>Camilo: nope, just 12- or 24-months
16:17<Camilo>and what is the discount ?
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16:18<HoopyCat>Camilo: 10% and 15% respectively
16:19<alexonlinux>hello there
16:20<alexonlinux>guys, I am wondering if there is any news regarding linode affiliate program.
16:20<alexonlinux>I am using linode and very happy with it - I'd love to promote it on my web-site, but dunno how.
16:20<HoopyCat>alexonlinux: click "My Profile" when logged into the platform manager
16:20<freedumMan>alexonlinux, your referral link in my profile
16:23<alexonlinux>seems like exactly what I was looking for.
16:23<alexonlinux>thanks guys.
16:23*purrdeta lolz at "alex" hilighting him
16:24<mwalling>purrdeta: dont you have some whoring to do?
16:24<purrdeta>but I am at work and lazy
16:24<Pryon>Rule #5: mwalling is the resident pimp
16:25<Pryon>Has anybody here transferred a domain between to separate accounts at the same registrar?
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16:28<HoopyCat> <--- holy dimebags, something's got a leak
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16:29<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: it's probably urmom
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16:30<freedumMan>wow its raining like a hurricane here
16:30<Pryon>HoopyCat: speaking of Stone, I tried Old Guardian barleywine a while back. Highly recommended.
16:31<Pryon>Remember to call a cab, though
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16:34<linbot>New news from forums: Favorite Web Server in General Discussion <>
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16:36<HoopyCat>Pryon: nice. i do, for the record, live within walking distance of my local pub of quality
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16:49<samuel>hi all!, anyone from linode staff?? I have some sales question...
16:49<silverblade>"would you like to buy this tobacconist? it is scratched..."
16:49<freedumMan>all ops are staff
16:49<@caker>ask away
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16:50<samuel>lets go... I sent this to service@... 5 hours ago but no reply until now....
16:50<samuel>After doing some speed testing using the info you provided at your forums
16:50<samuel>I want to sign up for a linode on the newark datacenter, that has the best connectivity for me. But I cant see any option to choose location in the signup process before payment...
16:50<samuel>Can I choose location after? are free linodes at newark?
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16:51<linbot>purrdeta: Newark360 - 66, Newark540 - 20, Newark720 - 41, Newark1080 - 16, Newark1440 - 12, Newark2880 - 8
16:51<bliblok>samuel: You chose later
16:51<acton>you choose location after
16:51<purrdeta>and there are some at newark :P
16:51<linbot>krmdrms: Availability (all): Atlanta360-36 Atlanta540-40 Atlanta720-15 Atlanta1080-10 Atlanta1440-8 Atlanta2880-5; Dallas360-3 Dallas540-0 Dallas720-2 Dallas1080-0 Dallas1440-0 Dallas2880-0; Fremont360-30 Fremont540-24 Fremont720-27 Fremont1080-6 Fremont1440-5 Fremont2880-3; Newark360-66 Newark540-20 Newark720-41 Newark1080-16 Newark1440-12 Newark2880-8; (0.16997) urmom says hi
16:51<samuel>hehe :) thank you so much
16:52<samuel>if possible to change location once choosed one?
16:52<purrdeta>just submit a ticket
16:52<HoopyCat>note that your IP address will change if you move from one datacenter to another
16:52<samuel>HoopyCat, but if using failover IP will remain... or not?
16:54<HoopyCat>samuel: the IP addresses are datacenter-specific, so IP-based failover is generally not possible between datacenters
16:55<samuel>ok... understood :)
16:55<HoopyCat>however, that's why they invented DNS ;-)
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16:57*HoopyCat wonders what's next on the kill-a-watting queue
16:58<samuel>thank you and have a nice day to all ;)
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16:58<mwalling>HoopyCat: the state comptroler says that they should replace all the traffic light bulbs with LEDs
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17:01<HoopyCat>mwalling: i agree with that for reasons that go well beyond energy efficiency
17:02<HoopyCat>i'm colorblind, and i hate burned-out traffic signals
17:05<purrdeta>I'm partially color blind :/
17:05<HoopyCat>me too
17:05<HoopyCat>oh hell, there goes my memory
17:06<purrdeta>red-green I think :/
17:06<purrdeta>It is a pain sometimes
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17:08<HoopyCat>yeah, like with the crap-ass old incandescent traffic signal bulbs the state DOT still uses
17:08<mwalling>so, i've got this mini dvd from my mom's camcorder... the camera crashed while writing the session, and she cant play it back in any of her $Stuff (camcorder and dvd player wont recognize it, her laptop bsods when she puts it in)
17:08<mwalling>i put it in my windows laptop, it plays for the most part
17:09<mwalling>(some chapters "hang")
17:09<mwalling>is there a way i could rip it?
17:09<mwalling>(or rip what i can play)
17:12<HoopyCat>i'd say the usual dvd ripping software would probably do the trick, somewhat
17:13<mwalling>whats the prefered software for that application?
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17:16<mwalling>scratch that
17:16<mwalling>cant get the dvd to read at all now
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17:19*Pryon wonders if you could somehow close the session to improve readability
17:20<mwalling>i perfer non-destructive techniques
17:20<mwalling>like taping a CdS cell to the bucket full light on my dehumidifier
17:20<mwalling>instead of piggy backing on the float switch
17:21<encode>mwalling: on your windows laptop, try dvd decryptor
17:21<encode>i've know idea if it will do much useful for a non-encrypted dvd
17:21<encode>but its worth a try i spose
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17:21*mwalling installs CSS onto his mom's camcorder
17:21*silverblade installs HTML
17:25*encode installs urmom onto... her camcorder
17:25<Yaakov>mwalling: Use uudecode.
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17:48<rjbs>I thought that was for putting fake languages like Klingon and Dutch on the web.
17:49<MarkJ>and ASP and C#
17:49<opello>and dutch, heh
17:49<MarkJ>yeah that was funny :)
17:51<Yaakov>rjbs: That's unicode.
17:51<Yaakov>rjbs: uudecode is a magical program that decodes stuff.
17:51<Yaakov>Works on anything.
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17:52<rjbs>even Dutch?
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17:59<Yaakov>rjbs: It is magical, not impossible.
18:01<linbot>New news from wiki: Multiple IPs <> || Asterisk <> || Asterisk <> || Asterisk <> || Asterisk <> || IPv6 <> || IPv6 <> || Lish Docu
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18:03<Turl>mwalling: you might use sth like PhotoRec
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18:17<neale>is there a way to link two previously unassociated accounts?
18:18<@caker>you can merge accounts
18:18<neale>where is that?
18:18<@caker>one goes away, and one gets all the stuff
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18:18<silverblade>"linode hoarding" :D
18:19<Yaakov>git merge linode9234
18:19<HoopyCat>caker: plz merge Yaakov's credit card information onto my account
18:19<@caker>neale: it's undo-able. Use with caution.
18:20<@caker>neale: the remote customer gets deleted, and your account inherits all of its stuff
18:20<neale>including billing?
18:20<HoopyCat>by "undo-able", i believe caker means "not undo-able"
18:20<neale>aw shoot.
18:21<@caker>yeah, I meant you can't undo it :)
18:21<neale>oh well, I'll just keep three different accounts then.
18:21<neale>holy crap that distro wizard was fast
18:21*HoopyCat puts on inflammable pants and goes to light the grill
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18:23<Yaakov>HoopyCat: inflammable pants can burn.
18:24<neale>HoopyCat: can and will.
18:24<neale>inflammable means "capable of becoming inflamed"
18:24<neale>isn't that great?
18:25<neale>silverblade: exflammable isn't a word.
18:25<silverblade>that wasnt my observation
18:25<silverblade>in/ex in/ex...
18:25<silverblade>but yes
18:26<silverblade>1. . capable of being set on fire; combustible; flammable.
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18:26<silverblade>2. easily aroused or excited, as to passion or anger; irascible: an inflammable disposition.
18:27<Yaakov>silverblade: I think you were looking for decrement.
18:28<silverblade>ah yes of course :p
18:28<neale>oh, I thought he was looking for a laugh.
18:28<Pryon>only a fool wears pants
18:29<Yaakov>Pro, con, progress, ...?
18:29*neale is wearing a skirt
18:29<Yaakov>There were about eight guys in skirts at YAPC.
18:29<silverblade>trains stop at train stations... buses stop at bus stations... what happens on a workstation?
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18:30<neale>Yaakov: Yet Another Pleated Convention?
18:30*HoopyCat is easily aroused or excited, as to urmom
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18:31<neale>caker: thanks anyhow :)
18:31<Pryon>yet another Pict convention?
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18:32<neale>Yearly Accretion of People who Cheat
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18:32<Yaakov>I don't think that was all of them.
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18:33<neale>I sort of wish that kilts weren't so popular with nerds.
18:33<neale>the crap
18:33<neale>is that dude wearing swim shoes?
18:34<Yaakov>Not exactly.
18:34<Yaakov>But they do have individual toes.
18:34<Yaakov>Google for schwern shoes
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18:35<Yaakov>Probably the first result.
18:35<neale>see the thing about a kilt is, like it or not, you are making a fashion statement.
18:35<acton>caker: Just submited both support tickets I spoke to you about, I put it in two so that it would be easier to handle
18:35<neale>So you need to be aware of what statement it is you're making.
18:35<neale>The statement most of those guys are making is: "I am a nerd with no fashion sense whatsoever."
18:35<Yaakov>Hrm... not a good shot.
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18:36<acton>actually I got an error when I submitted.
18:36<Yaakov>Actually, in the case of those guys, it is more, "I am wearing a skirt, sod off."
18:37<neale>curls on the right has the right idea
18:37<neale>dude with stripey socks has it I think, but it's hard to make him out in the photos
18:40<jtsage> is what you're looking for neale (stumbled across this a few days ago... i still don't really understand)
18:41<Yaakov>jtsage: Different brand.
18:41<jtsage>oh god. there's more than one brand? huh.
18:43<neale>that's awful.
18:43<neale>I mean
18:43<neale>for dudes, it's probably worth just focusing on one statement at a time.
18:44<neale>Want to wear crazy shoes? Great. Do it with jeans and a T-shirt.
18:44<neale>Feel like flower-print shirts are the way to go? Plain shoes.
18:44<Yaakov>Actually, I guess Schwern's *are* Vibrams.
18:45<neale>But crazy shoes, a kilt, a T-shirt with a witty saying, and wild-man long hair
18:45<jtsage>don't get me wrong, i can see one or two possible uses for them. but the only thing i can come up with is rather activity-centered, not so much on the day-to-day. (or 'goes well with akilt)
18:45<neale>that's just confusing.
18:46<neale>jtsage: seems like they wouldn't breathe well
18:46<neale>I guess I can see how these would be good.
18:47<jtsage>i could see it for canoeing / kayaking in a nasty river - but - i don't see anything about the water friendly properties of them (do they dry fast), not to mention a few of the models would offer no upper foot protection, which is an issue on some riverbeds
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18:48<Yaakov>These are the ones he has, only in red:
18:49<Yaakov>Ask mikegrb.
18:49<jtsage>that said, a cheap pair of watershows from walmart does nicely, with the bonus of at $10/pair, you can throw them out rather than try and get the stink out.
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18:57<HoopyCat>personally, i wouldn't mind a kilt to make the statement "i hate it when my god-forsaken pantaloons bind up like so"
18:57<HoopyCat>because, really, i do hate it
18:58*irgeek owns a kilt
18:58*Toba_ does not.
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19:02*HedgeMage *loves* seeing men in kilts.
19:02<mobbsy>hi - having a problem with a linode that's OOM... can't kill it through lish, and the web interface doesn't trust my IP addr (I'm away from home ATM), the authentication emails are going to an account hosted on the dead linode. Any suggestions?
19:02<neale>they are very comfy
19:03<@caker>mobbsy: yes, PM me :)
19:03*HedgeMage goes back to doing useful work
19:03<acton>useful work?
19:03<acton>what's that?
19:05<iggy>I suggest turning off that wretched IP check as soon as you can
19:05<iggy>but that's just me
19:05<acton>duuuude, someone is going to hack my linode account
19:05<acton>I must have web-panel access control
19:06*SelfishMan converts acton's node to a furry porn server
19:07*irgeek converts acton to a furry
19:07<acton>hey, what's wrong with porn?
19:07<Alucard>I live near acton.
19:07<Alucard>the town, not the user here now.
19:07<Yaakov>You know, that security feature wasn't added for looks.
19:08<Pryon>unlike my new kilt
19:08<Pryon>(the only statement I'd make by wearing a kilt is 'this person should not wear a kilt')
19:09<Yaakov>I'd wear a *real* kilt if I were Scots. Those "Utilikilts" are ugly as sin.
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19:40<rb>can anyone check status of fremont97? i've lost LISH connectivity, and job queues @ dashboard aren't processing ...
19:40<linbot>SelfishMan: [mtr] 2 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 1.0ms
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19:40<@caker>rb: we're looking into it now
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19:41<rb><caker> thx. wasn't clear if it was on my end ...
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19:52<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: fremont97 in System and Network Status <>
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19:57*sungo setup ssh to listen on port 443 today because a friend is on the most retarded network ever
19:57<bob2>at least they let 443 out without meddling
19:58<sungo>she gets 80 and 443. only internal dns
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19:58<bob2>some places only let actual ssl out on port 443
19:58<sungo>sounds like something I would do when pissed off
19:58<Yaakov> <-- I assumed that people have seen this, but apparently not so
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20:06<UberBoogerBot>^ == "Thriller" (original upload) uploaded by byronfgarcia. [Duration: 4:25] [Views: 27,521,405]
20:07<tjfontaine>LordLandon: ^^ html entity decode fail
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20:30<linbot>krmdrms: [mtr] 2 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.3ms
20:31<linbot>tjfontaine: [mtr] 11 hops, 20.0%/113.5ms
20:31<linbot>chuck: [mtr] 12 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
20:31<krmdrms>i did some apache benchmark tests and now my console is tooo laggy :P
20:32<linbot>tjfontaine: [mtr] 11 hops, 20.0%/113.5ms
20:32<brandon>hey does anyone know if linode meets the requirements for PCI-DSS compliance
20:32<tjfontaine>interesting standard
20:33<tjfontaine>most of these requirements would be your responsibility as a VPS owner
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20:34<tjfontaine>yes all 12 of those seem to be your responsibility as an owner
20:34<tjfontaine>now, do you mean does linode protect your cc information?
20:35<tjfontaine>ok, well as there are no requirements regarding physical server security, I see no reason why a VPS (and Linode in particular) wouldn't meet those requirements
20:35<brandon>i mean does linode and its datacenter providers comply with the requirements as far as physical security
20:35<brandon>and the security of the host servers
20:36<brandon>remember that a breach of a host server compromises the integrity of the guests
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20:36<tjfontaine>7/8/9 are what you're interested in
20:36<tjfontaine>9, being the hardest regardless of the hosting
20:37<Pryon>Would not keeping card data be sufficient to meet 9?
20:38<brandon>I'm going to need to keep card data as the information would be used to charge on a recurring basis
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20:40<tjfontaine>any of the physical requirements of any standard are going to be hard to fulfill in a VPS world, but you can always use a payment gateway that handles that compliance
20:40<brandon>i don't know that i can. my use of the card data is to bill a recurring service
20:41<brandon>i'm not aware that a payment gateway is going to retain this
20:41<tjfontaine>yes, there are gateways that handle recurring payments
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20:41<iggy>you can set up recurring payments with most gateways that I've seen
20:41<tjfontaine>as an example:
20:42<brandon>i don't think thats a variable payment tho
20:42<brandon>its fixed every month
20:42<Clorith>the paypal gateway api is quite flexible
20:42<tjfontaine>I'm sure you'd be able to send an invoice for the recurring payment
20:43<brandon>i wonder how does linode itself handle this. they accept card data and allegedly host their site on a linode
20:43<Clorith>their site and their payment server might not be the same
20:44<Clorith>you could alternatively use a payment service, there's this one that hooks up to paypal nicely but I forgot the name of it, hehe
20:44<Clorith>but it lets yo ugenerate invoices that are then sent out trough paypal
20:45<brandon>hmm, well i can do that with just plain old paypal
20:45<brandon>in fact thats what i've been doing
20:45<tjfontaine>your best bet is to continue to use a payment gateway, paypal or otherwise
20:45<tjfontaine>you run incredible risks by deciding to store your own CC ifno
20:45<Clorith>paying for the whole card payment platfor mor whatnot is quite expensive it self as well
20:45<tjfontaine>for little reward
20:46<brandon>i need the ability automatically bill a customer on a monthly basis for a variable service, and just have the customer be sent a reciept for the amount and not have to go click to a website every month and enter an amount
20:46<Yaakov>I thought Linodes were inherently secure.
20:46<brandon>they are and they aren't :-)
20:46<tjfontaine>I am telling you there's probably a way to do that with paypal
20:46<Clorith>only as secure as you make it your self
20:47<tjfontaine>and if not them,
20:47<Clorith>paypal can do that
20:47<tjfontaine>I believe that
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20:47<tjfontaine>we still want you to buy a linode
20:47<tjfontaine>or keep yours
20:47<Clorith>when they sign up, they can agree to allow you to deduct payment monthly
20:47<Yaakov>Paypal can do ANYTHING
20:47<brandon>i have linode, infact i have several
20:48<Clorith>me too
20:48<Clorith>it's my anti-drug
20:48<Yaakov>I only have one.
20:48<Yaakov>I feel weak.
20:48<Clorith>I have 4 =(
20:48<Clorith>I feel poor
20:48<krmdrms>i have 1 and I LOVE IT! :D
20:49<brandon>I'm not well versed on pci however, just need a solution that i can afford and scales well
20:49<brandon>sending out paypal invoices manually thru their website doesn't scale well :-)
20:50<brandon>guess ill have to see I need to get from paypal to do this
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20:50<krmdrms>There are some banks here provide a gateway to their payment system. so you dont need to store cc information on anywhere but i dont know when it comes to recurring payments.
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20:50<iggy>aren't there levels to it?
20:50<brandon>yeah, i've concluded that onetime payments are simple...recurring not so much
20:51<krmdrms>i dont know i didint use it
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20:51<iggy>like you only have to meet certain restrictions if you are handling >250k/yr or aomething
20:53<HoopyCat>we used back in the day... then again, we stored credit card data. then again, i think they have something that handles that now (turns out the billing system was built from back in the day when "security" involved "turning off auto-answer on the 1200 baud modem")
20:53<Yaakov>paypal has a "subscribe".
20:53<Yaakov>It does recurring.
20:53<krmdrms>paypal's api is good too
20:54<brandon>yeah, but its the same amount every month
20:54<iggy>I think the problem was with variable payments each month
20:54<brandon>if it was a fixed service it would be fine.
20:54<brandon>and i think you still need to store card data to pass to their api, dont you?
20:54<Yaakov>They do all of it.
20:55<mdcollins>im pretty sure you dont ever get that info, you hand the visitor to them
20:55<Yaakov>But I do think it is fixed.
20:55<mdcollins>they process and send the visitor back to you
20:55<iggy>I dunno, the most recent gateway I dealt with had a way to setup "payees" and then you just had to run through an amount each month or setup recurring
20:55<brandon>thats with the regular paypal..and again. that isn't a workable soltuion
20:55<Yaakov>Yes, it is a fixed amount.
20:56<brandon>i need customers to not be hassled on a month to month basis to take care of their financials
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20:57<HoopyCat>if the amount is changing every month, it's kind of outside the implicit understanding of a normal "subscription"...
20:57<brandon>its a pay-per-use service
20:57<krmdrms>How linode taking care of these things? Store cc info? I dont know anything about ecommerce
20:57<HoopyCat>krmdrms: store CC info
20:57<brandon>think of your get charged x amount for your linode and Y for bandwidth overages
20:57<krmdrms>thanks HoopyCat
20:57<Yaakov>Linode is magical, though.
20:58<brandon>normally its x but sometimes its x + y
20:58<brandon>i need to account for the alternative
20:58<JoeK>does anybody know how to get php working with apache (gotten both from the apt package, phpmyadmin)
20:58<tjfontaine>apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5
20:59<JoeK>libapache2-mod-php5 set to manually installed.
20:59<JoeK>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
20:59<krmdrms>apt-get install tjfontaine :p
20:59<brandon>funny how everyone assumes its ubuntu/debian
20:59<tjfontaine>brandon: he said: 'apt package'
20:59<brandon>oh nm he said apt
20:59<JoeK>it didnt work or it wouldnt ask you to download it
20:59<tjfontaine>surely that needs a .php for mime type recognition
21:00<JoeK>there was a command i did on my linode that somehow made it work (apt-cache or something)
21:00<krmdrms>damn flies!
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21:00<tjfontaine>JoeK: ... rename the file phpsysinfo.php
21:00<JoeK>i took it straight from my linode
21:01<JoeK>works there
21:01<tjfontaine>you won't even try to do it?
21:01<HoopyCat>JoeK: that's because linode magic > neosurge magic
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21:03<araki>JoeK: use mod_rewrite
21:04<krmdrms>wtf?! i moved to xcache. i was using apc. and did a ab test but if im not dreaming 4 of the cpus are 100%
21:05<krmdrms>load avg 6
21:06<HoopyCat>krmdrms: what settings are you using for the ab test, and is that an improvement or a deprovement from before? :-)
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21:06<krmdrms>HoopyCat im total noob in benchmarking stuff. I used ab -n 1000 -c 5
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21:07<krmdrms>interesting.. i dont 4 tests before but i havent seen anything like that :s
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21:07<krmdrms>i did
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21:08<krmdrms>hmm im trying again. it looks ok now. i dont know why it happened.
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21:14<rb>when initially poking around @ setup, i _thought_ i saw a summary of my linode's host server (# of active linodes, total ram, etc) ... can't seem to find it again.
21:14<rb>am i mistaken? or just missing the obvious?
21:15<krmdrms>Hmm i think a php script causes that much cpu load
21:16<krmdrms>i cant look at htop. i dont like red.
21:16<HoopyCat>rb: you *might* have seen the Extras page... however, i don't think there's a way to get that specific information for a host
21:18<rb>HoopyCat hm. no, i saw the Extras page ... must be imagining things. just curious what utilization was ... nothing critical.
21:19<HoopyCat>rb: a host will have roughly 14400/(plan) linodes on it, although that varies depending on the underlying hardware. (e.g. a linode 360 host will, on average, have 14400/360 = 40 linodes on it)
21:20<HoopyCat>rb: :-)
21:22<rb>HoopyCat Sure, the math is clear. I swear I saw something real-time load, simply to satisfy my curiosity abt host-behavior that led to the earlier "nonresponsiveness" & reboot of my host.
21:23<rb>Could also be a mouse crawled onto the motherboard ;-)
21:23<HoopyCat>rb: oh, on the dashboard, there is a real-time load on the right side
21:24<HoopyCat>bedtime; g'nite folx
21:24*HoopyCat plays national anthem, does full ID, goes off air until morning
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21:24<amitz>Hobbsee: gnite!
21:24<amitz>oh, Hoopycat ^^
21:24<krmdrms>good night HoopyCat
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21:52<linbot>SelfishMan: Availability (360): Atlanta - 35; Dallas - 1; Fremont - 27; Newark - 64; (0.21703) urmom says hi
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21:54<Dreamer3>damn my 1440 server is so BORED
21:55<armbruster>Dreamer3: what do you usually use it for?
21:56<Palintheus>wish I had that problem ;)
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21:56<armbruster>I'm always curious what people use their Linode's for...
21:56<SelfishMan>armbruster: furry porn
21:57<SelfishMan>lots and lots of furry porn
21:57<armbruster>can't be that much, linode doesn't have that much disk space. :/
21:58<armbruster>i use mine to a host a network of terroist bomb-creating tutorials.
21:58<armbruster>'blow up a house in four easy steps'
22:00<armbruster>now you all know, i'll need to leave.
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22:00<armbruster>the country.
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22:01<LordLandon> unescape("< " > &", {"'": "'", """: '"'})
22:01<rjbs>amitz: It's a lot; it's just text files.
22:01<LordLandon> unescape("< " > &", {"'": "'", """: '"'})
22:01<LordLandon>ARG D=
22:01<LordLandon>stupid putty
22:01<rjbs>You cannot escape.
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22:02<rjbs>yeah, yeah, blame the terminal emulator.
22:02<UberBoogerBot>^ == "Thriller" (original upload) uploaded by byronfgarcia. [Duration: 4:25] [Views: 27,569,032]
22:02<LordLandon>There, fixed, tjfontaine
22:02<rjbs>I was showing that to my family just this morning.
22:04<LordLandon>those prisoner dudes do a lot of stuffs like that
22:04<LordLandon>i like their algorithm dance thing C=
22:04<LordLandon>(not that it's theirs, they do it well E=)
22:11*Peng_ hugs pparadis.
22:12<@pparadis>I <3 Peng_
22:12<UberBoogerBot>^ == Safety Dance- Men Without Hats uploaded by taze. [Duration: 2:42] [Views: 4,916,969]
22:12<Peng_>But you love jed more. :'(
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22:23<megatron27>is there something like CRC32 that you can do in your head to ensure that you've copied some numbers correctly?
22:24<SelfishMan>megatron27: Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V
22:25<megatron27>no, I'm transferring between devices by reentering the numbers
22:25<jtsage>megatron27- hire dustin hoffman?
22:25<SelfishMan>megatron27: count the number of even and odd numbers
22:26<megatron27>forget about it, I was just wondering, some times I get OCD when I do things like this
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22:26<megatron27>SelfishMan, that's not a bad idea
22:27<SelfishMan>Most mistakes would swap even <-> odd so unless you screw up an even number of times it should work
22:28<phennessy>would you need to count both even and odd?
22:28<SelfishMan>not really
22:28<megatron27>I don't get the dustin hoffman reference
22:28<SelfishMan>but counting both will make sure you have the right number of digits
22:29<SelfishMan>phennessy: that was quick
22:29<jtsage>phennessy- good show.
22:30<phennessy>i could say something witty here, but i'm abstaining
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22:50<freedumMan>Anyone use vmware server at home not linode's server? I'm curious how much memory vmware server Service takes up by itself, not the machines just the service?
22:52<megatron27>freedumMan, yeah, I do
22:53<freedumMan>about how much?
22:54<megatron27>freedumMan, how do you query it :-)
22:55<megatron27>freedumMan, 9.5M
22:55<megatron27>freedumMan, that's for vmware-serverd
22:55<megatron27>on Ubuntu
22:55<megatron27>Vmware Server 1.0.7
22:55<freedumMan>sweet thats barely anything, i planned on installed a non X server with vmware server so that will work out well
22:59<megatron27>freedumMan, btw, make sure you install the 1.0.x series :-)
22:59<megatron27>freedumMan, the 2.0.x series has a Java service running in the background :-)
23:01<freedumMan>is the 2.0 got better features?
23:02<megatron27>I don't know, the 500MB+ download was discouraging so I didn't download it
23:02<freedumMan>how big is your 1.0
23:02<MJCS-away>i just wish I could use my linode to route my RDP request to another port on my home machine
23:02<megatron27>around 120MB
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23:03<freedumMan>MJCS, couldn't you use ssh forwarding?
23:03<freedumMan>megatron27, wow thats a huge difference, does that ver have a web interface too?
23:03<linbot>New news from forums: cloning linode server in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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23:04<MJCS> (freedumMan) : how?
23:05<megatron27>1.0.9 == 102MB
23:05<freedumMan>ssh -nNT -R 9000:localhost:22 root@
23:06<freedumMan>MJCS, Read up on ssh forwarding
23:06<freedumMan>megatron27, thanks again for the info
23:06<megatron27>let freedumMan I don't recall
23:06<megatron27>I always use the VMware Console
23:06<megatron27>I know the 2.0 version has a web based interface
23:07<megatron27>in fact, IIRC, the console runs as a Java applet in the 2.0 version
23:07<freedumMan>ahh that explains the java extras
23:07<MJCS>thank you very very much
23:07<freedumMan>thanks, bye
23:07<megatron27>well, IIRC, it comes bundled with Tomcat
23:09<megatron27>okay, my bad, Vmware server 2.0 for linux is only 465MB download, not 500MB
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23:55<hacker_kid>IPs not on your whitelist are denied access. < i saw that in a blog entry, what happens for those of us on dynamic ips?
23:56<@caker>leave it off for now, or wait until the whitelist ip editor is released
23:56<hacker_kid>k, i didnt see that off was an option :)
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