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| 00:10 | <orudie> | this chat is dead |
| 00:10 | <orudie> | caker, wake up |
| 00:12 | <scorche|sh> | dont wake the caker! |
| 00:13 | <scorche|sh> | dont fear the caker either |
| 00:17 | <mwalling> | what, is he your personal manslave? |
| 00:18 | <mwalling> | also, if he isnt, he should be drinking and not blowing himself up |
| 00:45 | <pwnguin> | is there a standard system of deploying websites via debian packages? |
| 00:46 | <pwnguin> | munin just installed to /var/www, but i see a sites-available, sites-enabled setup |
| 01:29 | <checkers> | I generally create a symlink to the distro default location from wherever I put the real webroot |
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| 01:45 | * | SelfishMan wonders why all the fireworks being sold at stands have porn names |
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| 03:17 | <chuck> | can linode's nameservers be used in /etc/resolv.conf for testing new settings before they've been propogated? |
| 03:18 | <bob2> | no need |
| 03:19 | <bob2> | dig yourdomain.com @ns1.linode.com |
| 03:19 | <bob2> | but you could do that, but remember it won't resolve most names - only things that are actually using linode for dns hosting |
| 03:19 | <chuck> | ah, i see it there, thanks |
| 03:20 | <chuck> | bob2: by the way, is dns round robin a satisfactory way of load balancing, or is it cached too much |
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| 03:21 | <bob2> | probably ok for a sufficient number of users |
| 03:21 | <bob2> | (so that they're spread mostly evenly) |
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| 03:29 | <Kyon3> | Hello, I want to ask why I have nothing under /boot? But my ubuntu is running... |
| 03:30 | <bob2> | doesn't matter |
| 03:30 | <Kyon3> | How can I change the grub? |
| 03:30 | <bob2> | linode boots the kernel you select in the web interface |
| 03:31 | <Kyon3> | So where the kernel is stored in fact? |
| 03:31 | <bob2> | on the linode host |
| 03:33 | <Kyon3> | I want to ask: If I copy all partitions from slicehost, with same ubuntu 8.10 x64, is it safe? |
| 03:34 | <Kyon3> | I mean migration |
| 03:35 | <bob2> | probably |
| 03:35 | <Kyon3> | Now, apache, mysql, ufw are all running, but I don't know if 100% successful, particular I worry about the kernel suffs |
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| 03:37 | <Kyon3> | I worry about the stuff under /lib/modules/2.6.18-xen/, don't know if somethings are missed |
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| 03:41 | <bob2> | don't use them |
| 03:41 | <bob2> | what modules would you want? |
| 03:42 | <Kyon3> | currently i have nothing inside /lib/modules/2.6.18.8-x86_64-linode1 folder, is it ok? |
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| 03:45 | <checkers> | can't you just copy over and test? |
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| 03:52 | <Kyon3> | for example, modprobe usbcore, it said: FATAL: Error inserting usbcore (/lib/modules/2.6.18-xen/kernel/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko): Invalid module format |
| 03:53 | <bob2> | why would you do that? |
| 03:53 | <bob2> | it's a vps, it has no usb ports |
| 03:53 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 03:53 | <MJCS> | lol |
| 03:53 | <bob2> | the linode kernels have almost anything you could want built in |
| 03:54 | <Kyon3> | yes, but it is just an example, I want to check if modules path is being set correctly. |
| 03:54 | <bob2> | you almost certainly can't load slicehost modules into a linode kernel |
| 03:55 | <bob2> | unless you really need to do somehting odd, just forget about modules |
| 03:56 | <Kyon3> | because when i rsync from slicehost to linode, i deleted the original lib/modules/2.6.18.8-x86_64-linode1/..., so you mean originally it is also empty? |
| 03:56 | <bob2> | yes |
| 03:57 | <Kyon3> | then it is fine, thank you |
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| 04:30 | <Canadia> | holy shit |
| 04:30 | <Canadia> | http://fuckingshocking.com/index/video/2dog1rabmpg |
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| 04:48 | <booja> | Canadia: not cool man |
| 04:49 | <Canadia> | it's pretty gross |
| 04:49 | <Canadia> | i don't understand how ppl can make vids like that |
| 04:49 | <Canadia> | i cn't even watch it cuz someone told me what it was about |
| 04:55 | <A-KO> | wow |
| 04:55 | <A-KO> | just when you thought you've seen everything on the internet--someone comes around and links something you haven't seen |
| 04:56 | <A-KO> | btw, someone should do that to that woman |
| 04:56 | <A-KO> | but anyways just wow at that site |
| 04:57 | <Canadia> | A-KO |
| 04:57 | <Canadia> | i agree |
| 04:57 | <Canadia> | Someone should do that to that creeper |
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| 05:44 | <{Shawn}> | sorry |
| 05:44 | <{Shawn}> | dc'd |
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| 05:44 | <Canadia> | Hi |
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| 05:52 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Lighttpd/chroot: "SSL: not enough entropy in the pool in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4382> |
| 05:54 | <Canadia> | i need help :( |
| 05:56 | <Canadia> | Is anyone good with Wine and RealVNC? |
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| 06:22 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Lighttpd/chroot: SSL: not enough entropy in the pool in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4382> |
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| 08:28 | <amitz> | oh, linode provides entropy? nice. |
| 08:29 | <HoopyCat> | mikegrb's mom is personally responsible for the impending heat death of the universe |
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| 08:31 | <amitz> | uh, super mom. And I just remember, IIRC, the child of chaos/entropy is the king of god.. |
| 08:31 | <amitz> | chronos -> zeus? let me check wikipedia. |
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| 08:36 | <amitz> | hmm not analogous enough to make witty comments out of it :-) |
| 08:36 | <HoopyCat> | you're not trying hard enough ;-) |
| 08:39 | <amitz> | the analogy exist but not funny enough. Need more spice :-) |
| 08:41 | <amitz> | the more I read about mythology, the more I realized they're not bedtime stories material in it's entirety. Too many R rated sub-stories. |
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| 08:48 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: our mythologies tend to reflect our natures, whether bedtime-story material or not. after all, if the gods eviscerate cats or demand that a father offer up his live daughter as a burnt offering, it's perfectly reasonable that we may do the same, right? :-) |
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| 08:54 | <mysty> | hello folks - is the linode.com linod manager login working OK? Im sure Ive got the right password but... |
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| 08:56 | <HoopyCat> | mysty: hmm, working ok for me... is it just giving you an incorrect-password message, or is it saying something about whitelisting IP addresses? |
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| 08:57 | <mysty> | saying " Login incorrect or session timed-out" maybe blacklisted as I couldnt remember my root ssh password and failed there? |
| 08:58 | <mysty> | HoopyCat: so was going to reset via the linode manager |
| 08:59 | <mysty> | HoopyCat: jusat tried a different browser, so I guess I will use the reset feature, as long as things look OK at that end |
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| 09:06 | <HoopyCat> | mysty: ssh authentication to your linode won't impact the web interface, and if your IP isn't whitelisted, it'd tell you to check your mail and all that. so, yeah, sounds like a plain ol' incorrect username or password situation |
| 09:07 | <HoopyCat> | "Bombers and 40s available as well. All they need to add are paper bags with the store logo so you can sport your 40 in style while sipping on your porch or in your driveway." |
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| 09:15 | <silverblade> | hmm, does rsync just copy entire files if they have changed or can it copy bits of it... |
| 09:15 | <cdlu> | how would it know which bits to copy? |
| 09:18 | <HoopyCat> | silverblade: it does deltas, although i haven't looked fully into how it all works. ('tho i do have a huge-ass uncompressed tar file to which i append nightly... i could monitor that) |
| 09:19 | <HoopyCat> | cdlu: both sides agree on how to chunk up a file, then they compare checksums for each chunk; the chunks that differ get transferred |
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| 09:20 | <cdlu> | ah, clever. I was thikning the diffs would take longer and more data to run than just copying it, and simple checksums wouldn't tell you anything you didn't already know. :) |
| 09:22 | <HoopyCat> | cdlu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync has a summary of the algorithm, which is even more clever than i thought |
| 09:23 | <silverblade> | I just wondered because I'm doing mysql dumps (nngghhh!) and obviously would like to avoid transferring the whole lot each night |
| 09:23 | <silverblade> | its not a huge db tho |
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| 09:31 | <A-KO> | rsync is quite nice |
| 09:32 | <A-KO> | silverblade: Generally what you'll want to do is enable the mysql binary log |
| 09:33 | <A-KO> | do a fresh dump of the database with the options to reset the binary log from that point, and then just transfer the binary log over |
| 09:33 | <mysty> | HoopyCat: thanks for confirming the ssh not impacting www side. Seem to have it back under control now. This all startted as I wanted to put all my passwords in keePass - have had an explosion recently. So now that I am writing them down, I cant confirm them / or have changed them without remembering, go figure ;) |
| 09:33 | <A-KO> | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/binary-log.html < silverblade for more information |
| 09:34 | <A-KO> | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/mysqldump.html also |
| 09:34 | <silverblade> | hmm |
| 09:36 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:36 | <silverblade> | A-KO: that page looks very wordy lol... im guessing that basically it keeps track of all transactions in a log which can later be replayed? |
| 09:37 | <A-KO> | so enable the binlog--then do a mysqldump with --delete-master-logs option, and then from then on out your mysql binary log will be from that point on |
| 09:37 | <A-KO> | and it will only binary log anything that changes or updates the tables |
| 09:37 | <silverblade> | how easy is it to restore? |
| 09:38 | <A-KO> | well you would use the mysqlbinlog command to play the commands back, and then mysql command to re-input those commands into the database |
| 09:38 | <A-KO> | So you would restore your master database dump first, then replay the binary logs with mysqlbinlog, and then import those transactions to the database with the "mysql" command |
| 09:39 | <A-KO> | honestly I haven't done the restore part yet....so I couldn't tell you exactly how well that works out :P (though I really should do this at some point)....but I have my backup scripts, once a month, dumps a master file and then uploads that to amazon s3, and then throughout the month it will upload the binary log. |
| 09:39 | <silverblade> | i see... well, that's certainly something i'll look into if my db gets to a larger size. i think atm it should be sufficient to do rsync of the text dump each night |
| 09:39 | <silverblade> | but thanks for the info :) |
| 09:41 | <A-KO> | well I"m just pointing out, the bin log is the only way to do incremental backups :P |
| 09:41 | <silverblade> | indeed |
| 09:41 | <A-KO> | actually really at this point it's more of a differential backup in the method I described it...but you get the idea :P |
| 09:42 | <A-KO> | the binary log is also used for database replication |
| 09:44 | <A-KO> | also, in the event the database gets corrupted--like some app does a SQL injection and some moron clears out your tables.....You'll only have your full dump to go by restoration :P The binary log gets updated with every transaction that changes the database, so you can do a point-in-time restore back to exactly the point before the idiot screwed shit up |
| 09:44 | <A-KO> | and even restore everything afterwards as well :P |
| 09:45 | <A-KO> | in case users continued working on the database after that fact |
| 09:45 | <BP{k}> | clear |
| 09:45 | <BP{k}> | bah. |
| 09:48 | <fred> | BP{k}: o/ |
| 09:48 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Domain Name Resolving in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4383> |
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| 10:06 | <HoopyCat> | mysty: i do the keepass thing too... it does keep backups on password changes, so once you get rolling, you can go back and see if/when you changed something :-) |
| 10:07 | <A-KO> | hmmm |
| 10:07 | <A-KO> | what's this? |
| 10:07 | <A-KO> | haven't tried that.... |
| 10:08 | <mysty> | HoopyCat: makes me feel better. Thanks for the tip - I started all this as I am bed on painkillers at the moment and couldnt remember quite the way I used to. I think Ill store the keepass file in a truecrypt voilume in my dropbox :) |
| 10:09 | <HoopyCat> | mysty: humans generally suck at remembering and generating good passwords; there are some algorithms people use to make it easier, but eh, that's why i have a computer |
| 10:10 | <mysty> | HoopyCat: I use algorithms too, been fine till now. I must have changed something in a pique of being more secure ;) |
| 10:11 | <HoopyCat> | if i had git for my brain, it would be nice. however, i am a git. |
| 10:11 | <mysty> | HoopyCat: I persuaded my wife that meant pregnant camel for about 5 years |
| 10:11 | <HoopyCat> | i have a nasty tendency to suddenly forget my ATM PIN |
| 10:11 | <HoopyCat> | mysty: hee hee |
| 10:12 | <mysty> | HoopyCat: algo fir that too, three digits you like plus the last digit of the card, or something |
| 10:13 | * | mysty was in danger of preacing to the converted there |
| 10:13 | <mysty> | Kind of like the way keepass displays all the passwords in a way that you can see which onces comply with the algo etc |
| 10:14 | <HoopyCat> | mysty: eh, i just keep the "This Is Your Automatic ATM Machine Personal Identification PIN Number!" letter in an undisclosed secure location and refer to it when required |
| 10:15 | <mysty> | life is looking good. I rooted my own linode, have blasting music drowning out the crying baby next door, and have the first entries in keepass - time for a cider! |
| 10:16 | <mysty> | HoopyCat: wow, I could never remembebr the auto generated ATM ones - always change them |
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| 10:17 | <Yaakov> | Use Guest32, it will have a smaller memory footprint. |
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| 10:19 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: you know it's a party when the figlet comes out |
| 10:20 | <Yaakov> | Oh yes. |
| 10:20 | <HoopyCat> | mysty: the problem with changing them is that i no longer have the little piece of paper with the auto-generated one :-) |
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| 10:22 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Just set it to the first, third, penultimate and last digits of the product of the pairs of digits in the number. |
| 10:23 | <mysty> | HoopyCat: lets say your magic number is 999 then you could just take the last digit of the card and prepend it to your magic numberr to have a different PIN for all cards, in at least a basic way x999, 4999, 8999 etc |
| 10:23 | <Yaakov> | Then you can quickly do the math in your head! |
| 10:23 | <mysty> | Yaakov: nice! |
| 10:24 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat is an idiot savant. |
| 10:24 | <mysty> | PIN security is totally shit though. The amount of cash VISA writes off a year is staggering |
| 10:25 | <HoopyCat> | s/VISA/the merchants/ |
| 10:26 | <HoopyCat> | i only have two cards with useful PINs, and i've already given up all hope of ever remembering one of them (which is fine; they're both the same bank), so i just have one to remember |
| 10:26 | <mysty> | they dont have the choice to write it off, they just pay visa |
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| 10:27 | <mysty> | better without the plastic anyway |
| 10:27 | <A-KO> | eh |
| 10:27 | <A-KO> | debit/bank cards are fine |
| 10:27 | <A-KO> | a visa-backed debit card is good |
| 10:27 | <A-KO> | unless you travel internationally then you might have some issue with that |
| 10:28 | <HoopyCat> | fun thing is my financial institution doesn't do pin-based point of sale transactions, so it's not even that big an issue |
| 10:28 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: On infrequently used cards I write the pin on the back. |
| 10:28 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Encrypted, of course. |
| 10:28 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:28 | <A-KO> | lol |
| 10:29 | <Yaakov> | I use a combination of non-standard orthography and obscurity (more that four figures). |
| 10:29 | <HoopyCat> | A-KO: the card in question *only* has a mastercard logo, which isn't a problem within the US, but canadian ATMs generally don't support the *mastercard* network. so, for the places we go in canada, we have a quick reference of places the card will work |
| 10:30 | <megatron27_> | Visa-backed debit cards may not work internationally? |
| 10:30 | <A-KO> | yeah....I had a weird problem in Quebec as well with my visa-backed bank card....it wouldn't work for some things, but my CC (also VISA) worked in the same spot.. |
| 10:30 | <A-KO> | so it was kind of a toss up as to when the card worked |
| 10:31 | <HoopyCat> | A-KO: check the logos. and when in doubt, there's a damn fine pub in hamilton, ontario where my card works fine... |
| 10:31 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:31 | <A-KO> | lol |
| 10:31 | <HoopyCat> | FWIW, one of my former coworkers (with the same credit union) moved to costa rica for awhile and reported no problems whatsoever using his card at ATMs down there, so it may well just be canada |
| 10:31 | <A-KO> | that's true |
| 10:31 | <megatron27_> | that kind of sucks because I've been planning on replacing my credit card with one of those |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | megatron27_: for the most part it did work for me--just......in some minor situations |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | I think I tried to buy gas on it |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | and it didn't work |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | but the CC did |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | both visa... |
| 10:32 | <Yaakov> | I have no credit cards. |
| 10:32 | <Yaakov> | Gave them up a few years ago. |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | that could change though, I mean...it's been about.....2-3 years |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | I've got 1 CC |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | just 1 |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | :P |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | it helps |
| 10:32 | <Yaakov> | I have four different debit cards, though. |
| 10:32 | <A-KO> | as long as you use them responsibly |
| 10:33 | <HoopyCat> | megatron27_: in signature-based mode, i've heard of no problems (aside from anti-fraud mechanisms tripping out). but yeah, pin-based mode can be interesting due to the wide variety of networks that aren't mastercard/visa |
| 10:33 | <Yaakov> | Two from my credit union, one from Orange, and one from PayPal |
| 10:33 | <A-KO> | I should get a paypay debit card... |
| 10:33 | <A-KO> | it would make it easier than transferring to the bank and waiting... |
| 10:34 | <Yaakov> | It's great, I have instant access to PayPal payments. |
| 10:34 | <HoopyCat> | i am continually -- and successfully -- reducing the credit card situation down to just one, for travel and emergencies. "emergencies" is unfortunately a big word. |
| 10:34 | <A-KO> | ha HoopyCat |
| 10:34 | <A-KO> | I know exactly how that goes |
| 10:34 | <A-KO> | when shit hits the fan--it usually hits |
| 10:34 | <A-KO> | pretty hard... |
| 10:34 | <megatron27_> | does your bank charge an annual fee for the use of the Visa debit card? as far as I can tell mine doesn't, but I'm yet to activate it |
| 10:34 | <HoopyCat> | travel on a debit card sucks |
| 10:35 | <A-KO> | mine doesn't |
| 10:36 | <A-KO> | no annual fees here I think most banks in the US offer some sort of major CC-backed debit now |
| 10:36 | <A-KO> | which one depends on your bank |
| 10:36 | <A-KO> | but BOA is VISA |
| 10:36 | <HoopyCat> | my credit union does not charge an annual fee for use of their mastercard debit card; they recover the costs by charging $1 per ATM transaction (on the ATMs that aren't their own), $1 per international transaction, and by declining PIN-based point-of-sale transactions (e.g. answering "debit" to the "debit or credit" question) |
| 10:37 | <A-KO> | the only thing that pisses me off is the fact that some smaller stores want a minimum payment amount for use of a card |
| 10:37 | * | megatron27_ is trying to figure out which Javascript engine Joyent is using on the server |
| 10:37 | <A-KO> | which I think is against accepting that card's policy |
| 10:37 | <A-KO> | I know VISA allows you to report businesses that do that |
| 10:37 | <HoopyCat> | they actually charge no monthly/annual account maintenance fees at all, which is great for bringing the joy of banking to the masses |
| 10:38 | <A-KO> | yeah I have no fees either..... |
| 10:38 | <A-KO> | haven't since I opened an account in 2002.... |
| 10:38 | <A-KO> | well, I have the whole ATM fee thing |
| 10:38 | <A-KO> | but that's pretty much any bank/anywhere that does that |
| 10:38 | <A-KO> | I think some might give you X amount of transactions for free |
| 10:38 | <A-KO> | but you still pay the fee to the other bank |
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| 10:40 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Check out the Orange accounts. |
| 10:40 | <HoopyCat> | A-KO: i don't feel too bad about merchants with a minimum-charge policy... the merchant bears the cost of the transaction, and it's a base fee plus a % of $ kind of thing, so below a particular amount... |
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| 10:41 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: i have, and i've considered it, but i really, really like our credit union and have no reason to switch, although it would make access to the emergency funds moar quick |
| 10:42 | <Yaakov> | We have both. |
| 10:42 | <Yaakov> | Our CU is pretty good. Small enough that I get good service. |
| 10:43 | <Yaakov> | The Orange account is for funds sequestration (for household and ongoing expenses). |
| 10:44 | <A-KO> | HoopyCat: It's not that I feel bad for them or not, it's that it's like.....when VISA/BOA communicate to me that I can use the card anywhere, and visa's policy is against minimum transaction fees--and I walk into a store that says they accept visa, I should be able to use it. The business should either accept visa or not....I wouldn't have a problem otherwise :P |
| 10:45 | <A-KO> | like if the store doesn't want to accept that policy, that's fine--but I shouldn't have to be penalized for it as the consumer..... |
| 10:47 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: nod... might still do it at some point. i am loathe to have another damned account, though :-) |
| 10:47 | <Yaakov> | I need to go shower. |
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| 10:48 | <Harry_Mudd> | help buffer |
| 10:49 | <HoopyCat> | A-KO: i see that end of it, too. i think it's a decision a business has to make, and they do have to realize it will turn away customers, especially if it's something like a cornerstore where there's a gas station nearby that will gladly put that Big Gulp on a debit card |
| 10:50 | <HoopyCat> | A-KO: ultimately, i think the canadian debit method would rectify that (the consumer pays the fee), but... well, like single-payer health care, it'd cause rioting |
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| 10:52 | <HoopyCat> | Harry_Mudd: apply liquid wax to floor; smooth with squeegie. plug buffer into standard wall outlet. hold the machine firmly and turn it on. move around floor in methodological fashion until floor is satisfactory; turn machine off and unplug. allow floor to dry |
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| 10:52 | <Yaakov> | BUFFER ON |
| 10:52 | <web_linux> | Hi all |
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| 10:53 | <HoopyCat> | You turn the buffer on. It starts moving around wildly, bumping into the walls and making terrible noise. The cat runs east. |
| 10:53 | <HoopyCat> | good morning, web_linux! |
| 10:54 | <Yaakov> | Hello, web_linux. |
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| 11:02 | <Yaakov> | I am going to go attend to my toilette! |
| 11:02 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: please do |
| 11:03 | <Yaakov> | I will return looking beautiful, as you all expect. |
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| 11:37 | <Yaakov> | I am back, meticulously groomed and impeccably dressed. |
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| 11:46 | <Yaakov> | Yet another hype engine: http://smart.apnoti.com/ |
| 11:46 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: "real-time search engine"? |
| 11:47 | <Yaakov> | It's broken, too. |
| 11:47 | <Yaakov> | It has accessed my robots.txt and / about 100 times and it is still at it. |
| 11:48 | <Yaakov> | Still at it. |
| 11:48 | <Yaakov> | Accessing my robots.txt about 50 times a minute isn't exactly nice behavior. |
| 11:49 | <bd_> | proxy their traffic right back at them :3 |
| 11:49 | <Yaakov> | I think it gave up. |
| 11:49 | <Yaakov> | robots.txt, /, robots.txt, /, ... |
| 11:50 | <bd_> | anyway this is how they implement real-time searching: re-crawl every url in their index every second :) |
| 11:50 | <tjfontaine> | hehe |
| 11:51 | <Yaakov> | It did it for five minute at about a query a second. |
| 11:52 | <Yaakov> | Fortunately, / on my server is a very small static page. |
| 11:52 | <Yaakov> | And my site is "badly designed" so the link on they page is ignored by search engines. (I just have lousy SEO skills...) |
| 11:56 | <Yaakov> | OK, it was once every 2 seconds, on average, looking at the logs. |
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| 11:56 | <Yaakov> | I predict abject failure for this search engine, real-time failure, perhaps. |
| 11:57 | <Yaakov> | I need to set up a flexible redirect thingy based on referrer. |
| 11:57 | <aaronpk> | i like bd_'s idea of redirecting their traffic back to their own server |
| 11:58 | <Yaakov> | I think I might stand up a tarpit for errant search engines. |
| 11:58 | <Yaakov> | The number of hits wasn't very high altogether, they wouldn't notice it. |
| 11:58 | <Yaakov> | But I could set up a tarpit and keep them busy for a while, while I giggle. |
| 11:59 | <Peng_> | If they limit concurrent requests per site, a tarpit might not hurt much. |
| 11:59 | <Peng_> | OTOH, they're dumb enough to request robots.txt hundreds of times.... |
| 11:59 | <Peng_> | Were they requesting other pages too, or just robots.txt? |
| 12:00 | <Yaakov> | robots.txt and / |
| 12:00 | <Yaakov> | over and over |
| 12:00 | <Yaakov> | Check your logs for their referrer. |
| 12:00 | <Yaakov> | grep for http://smart.apnoti.com |
| 12:00 | <Yaakov> | "smart" |
| 12:00 | <Yaakov> | Heh. |
| 12:02 | <Yaakov> | "Want to crawl my site? I accept PayPal! click here to learn more..." |
| 12:03 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: nothing on any of mah servers. maybe they just like printer pranks. |
| 12:03 | <Yaakov> | Well, this is the first time I saw them. |
| 12:03 | <Yaakov> | So maybe it is just a matter of time. |
| 12:04 | <Peng_> | I don't see any hits from them. |
| 12:04 | <Yaakov> | I am just special. |
| 12:05 | <aaronpk> | oh whoa i have some hits from them too, didn't expect that. started june 30 |
| 12:05 | <aaronpk> | they were much more behaved on mine tho |
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| 12:07 | <Yaakov> | I suppose that my "badly designed" home page might confuse them. |
| 12:07 | <Yaakov> | Or something... |
| 12:08 | <aaronpk> | i think only a badly designed algorithm could cause them to request robots.txt repeatedly |
| 12:08 | <Yaakov> | Hmm... I could redirect them to Wikipedia. |
| 12:09 | <Yaakov> | Heh... That would certainly get me some traffic from their search results. |
| 12:09 | <aaronpk> | nice |
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| 12:15 | <Yaakov> | I need to write a subscriber counting script. |
| 12:15 | <Yaakov> | Something that will give me a reasonable estimate of subecribers from the logs. |
| 12:15 | <opello> | awstats? |
| 12:16 | <Yaakov> | No, I need to look at a period of an hour and count atom/rss requests, and parse the useragent strings for those cases that list numbers. |
| 12:17 | <Yaakov> | Also, unique IP addresses. |
| 12:17 | <Yaakov> | I can eyeball it, but it would be nice to have a number. |
| 12:17 | <Yaakov> | (Automagically) |
| 12:18 | <opello> | doesn't sound too bad; i'd think you could use awstats to do it though ... but maybe not |
| 12:19 | <Yaakov> | No, because the aggregators report number of subscribers. |
| 12:19 | <Yaakov> | One request represents 5 or 50, etc. |
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| 12:20 | <opello> | ah |
| 12:21 | <Yaakov> | It isn't really very difficult. I just have to decide on a methodology. |
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| 12:25 | <andy> | OK, verifying my log in by IP is pretty hot shit. Thanks, guys. |
| 12:25 | <andy> | I had never noticed, but I just switched my home net service, so of course I'm on a different IP. |
| 12:25 | <andy> | Well done. |
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| 12:26 | <Yaakov> | Yay, a non-complaint about the whitelise! |
| 12:26 | <Yaakov> | t |
| 12:27 | <Yaakov> | Yay, a non-complaint about the whitelist! |
| 12:28 | <Peng_> | Heh. |
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| 12:43 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:43 | <Damianz> | Lol |
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| 13:02 | <straterra> | I wish the 'stable' kernel was newer than 2.6.18 -_- |
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| 13:03 | <sungo> | 2.6.30++ |
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| 13:09 | <HoopyCat> | straterra: please see #kernelnewbies for information on how you can help fix the bugs in mainline kernel xen support! :-) |
| 13:09 | <straterra> | No thanks |
| 13:09 | <tjfontaine> | girl car |
| 13:10 | <tjfontaine> | I was going to work hard to bring it back to that, but I decided just to get to the point |
| 13:10 | <tjfontaine> | you're welcome |
| 13:11 | <straterra> | Now to find out why my mysql database is 3 gigs |
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| 13:12 | <tjfontaine> | ha ha |
| 13:12 | <tjfontaine> | storage engines rarely free diskspace when rows are deleted |
| 13:13 | <tjfontaine> | if you need to regain that diskspace you'll have to dump the db to a file, delete the storage files, and then reimport the db |
| 13:13 | <straterra> | I just wish i could easily see which databases were using all of the space |
| 13:15 | <HoopyCat> | straterra: i can see it now... commit d3adb33fc0ffeeb00b1301c812f00fc7c8b00b00, Author: Straterra <straterra@straterra.org>, Fix all outstanding bugs in Xen support including the clock thing and the part where it bursts into flame once in awhile, Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> |
| 13:15 | <HoopyCat> | aim high |
| 13:15 | <straterra> | heh |
| 13:15 | <straterra> | "Deleted all Xen code, all problems fixed now" |
| 13:15 | <HoopyCat> | straterra: du in /var/lib/mysql might get you close |
| 13:17 | <straterra> | err, not really |
| 13:17 | <straterra> | The largest entry in that is 16 megs |
| 13:17 | <straterra> | yet.. /var/lib/mysql equals 2.8 gigs |
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| 13:18 | <HoopyCat> | straterra: by my math, therefore, you have over 175 tables :-) |
| 13:18 | <straterra> | binary logs |
| 13:18 | <straterra> | ffs |
| 13:18 | <HoopyCat> | oh ffs |
| 13:19 | <pixsoul> | hello, any news when backups will be available for everyone as a service (out of beta stage)? |
| 13:19 | <tjfontaine> | WIR :) |
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| 13:19 | <straterra> | HoopyCat: clearing the binary logs shrunk it to 57 megs |
| 13:20 | <straterra> | \O/ |
| 13:20 | <HoopyCat> | pixsoul: no news yet; just entered beta in dallas a couple weeks back and they're back in newark as of last week, so i probably wouldn't camp out in line just yet :-) |
| 13:20 | <HoopyCat> | straterra: hooray! but now you won't be able to roll all the way back to the clinton administration :-) |
| 13:20 | <Yaakov> | Isn't the Straterra a new Mitsubishi model tagetting 20-something chicks, with 12 different choices of pink paint? |
| 13:21 | <straterra> | Damn |
| 13:21 | <Yaakov> | I LOVE YOU MAN |
| 13:22 | * | HoopyCat rolls back to 1998 |
| 13:22 | <HoopyCat> | ZOMG SEX SCANDAL |
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| 13:46 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 13:46 | <Damianz> | ROFL |
| 13:46 | * | Damianz removes mikegrb from his ass again |
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| 14:00 | <SelfishMan> | !urmom |
| 14:00 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: Yo momma's so charitable she donates her facial hair to charity! (831:2/0) [mroum] |
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| 14:03 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:03 | <krmdrms> | lol |
| 14:05 | <SelfishMan> | !urmom vote up 831 |
| 14:05 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: Voted 831 up [mrmuo] |
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| 15:25 | <sysinfo> | sysinfo ph^ ondrej arooni-mobile libervisco metaperl CWii peter_ apeiron hpj sc0field RiverRat krmdrms Guspaz elhippo binel Guest64 derek simeon Damianz Bass10 azaghal mysty Beirdo Redgore SpaceHobo mario_ booja Dreamr_3 praetorian VS_ChanLog HoopyCat Peng phennessy neh aaronyy chuck henderb wabz Yaakov G_work bss cr4z3d anderiv_ Aexoden1 randallman guinea-pig exor674 mattt Toba_ @tasaro jspiros rHn scorche|sh Mr_W Dave fuzzie G darkside1 |
| 15:25 | <CWii> | blah |
| 15:25 | * | CWii gets his troll-b-gone |
| 15:25 | <Damianz> | /fwap sysinfo |
| 15:25 | <bd_> | tjfontaine: ^ |
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| 15:26 | <mysty> | whaddat? hmm... zzzz |
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| 15:26 | <sysinfo> | jtaji sysinfo ph^ ondrej arooni-mobile libervisco metaperl CWii peter_ apeiron hpj sc0field RiverRat krmdrms Guspaz elhippo binel Guest64 derek simeon Damianz Bass10 azaghal mysty Beirdo Redgore SpaceHobo mario_ booja Dreamr_3 praetorian VS_ChanLog HoopyCat Peng phennessy neh aaronyy chuck henderb wabz Yaakov G_work bss cr4z3d anderiv_ Aexoden1 randallman guinea-pig exor674 mattt Toba_ @tasaro jspiros rHn scorche|sh Mr_W Dave fuzzie G dark |
| 15:26 | -!- | mode/#linode [+b *!*gfsfgf@*.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] by caker |
| 15:26 | <Yaakov> | Hello, caker. |
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| 15:27 | <Damianz> | Woo caker! |
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| 15:27 | <azaghal> | What in the world? |
| 15:27 | <@caker> | hello all |
| 15:27 | <ondrej> | what was that? |
| 15:27 | <CWii> | hey caker |
| 15:27 | <mwalling> | spammer |
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| 15:28 | <ondrej> | man. thanks for banning him. |
| 15:28 | <azaghal> | !urmom |
| 15:28 | <linbot> | azaghal: Yo momma's so fat, she must have been compiled with --fatroll-loops! (746:2/0) [moumr] |
| 15:28 | <azaghal> | !urmom |
| 15:28 | <linbot> | azaghal: Yo momma's so ugly Linode wouldn't go near her (827:0/2) [momur] |
| 15:28 | <azaghal> | Hah! |
| 15:28 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 15:28 | <Damianz> | LoL |
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| 15:29 | <azaghal> | Btw, how does Linode cope with Gentoo (given all the updates etc)? |
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| 15:29 | <Davuzz> | an op around? (important! payment) |
| 15:30 | * | Damianz points to caker |
| 15:30 | * | caker points to the ticket system |
| 15:30 | <Damianz> | caker: ++ |
| 15:31 | <Davuzz> | link? |
| 15:31 | <Yaakov> | caker: How was your fourth? |
| 15:31 | <CWii> | Davuzz, https://www.linode.com/support/tickets.cfm |
| 15:31 | <mwalling> | Davuzz: click on the support tab in your account |
| 15:31 | <krmdrms> | Davuzz login to linode manager -> support |
| 15:32 | <@caker> | Yaakov: kinda crappy. No feeling so hot past few days |
| 15:32 | <@caker> | yours? |
| 15:32 | <Yaakov> | Well, it was Shabbos, so it was very pleasant. Then, later, it was a war zone around here. |
| 15:32 | <Yaakov> | But, I must say I am distressed by news of your ilness. |
| 15:33 | <Yaakov> | I hope you are on the upside of the curve now. |
| 15:33 | <mwalling> | caker: need more booze |
| 15:33 | <Davuzz> | caker done :) ty |
| 15:34 | <@caker> | hopefully on the mend. I intentionally didn't travel this weekend so I could R&R&W (rest, relaxation, work) but so far the work thing hasn't panned out as much as I had hoped. |
| 15:34 | <Yaakov> | The R&R part is much more important. |
| 15:34 | <HoopyCat> | azaghal: i'd assume gentoo has some sort of system with which updates can be applied easily |
| 15:34 | <Yaakov> | A healthy caker is a useful caker. |
| 15:34 | <@caker> | API coming along nicely. Imma thinking Monday or Tuesday for initial test release :) |
| 15:34 | <Yaakov> | Yay, &c! |
| 15:35 | <Yaakov> | Is mikegrb working on the perl bindings? |
| 15:35 | <@caker> | Not yet. He's tasked with other things |
| 15:35 | <HoopyCat> | brown chicken brown cow |
| 15:35 | <Yaakov> | OK, well I did note with glee the return of backuping. |
| 15:35 | <@caker> | indeed |
| 15:35 | <chargrill> | what's this i see about backuping. |
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| 15:36 | <Yaakov> | Newark has beta backuping in place. |
| 15:36 | <chargrill> | oh neat. |
| 15:36 | <@caker> | along with Dallas |
| 15:36 | <Yaakov> | So does Dallas, If I... yeah. |
| 15:36 | <@caker> | and Atlanta Real Soon Now<tm> |
| 15:36 | <Yaakov> | Woo, backuping everywhere! |
| 15:36 | <chargrill> | huh, i guess i'll need to check it out since i'm in dallas. |
| 15:36 | <Estiercol> | Tired of Niggggers and their monkeyshines? Then join us at chimpout.com! We are NOT White Supremacists! We welcome and respect all HUMAN RACES of all colors. That means Asians, Whites, non-Negroid Hispanics, Semites, Indians, etc are all welcome. Join us in the epic battle of Human vs Negro and help us defeat and put in its place the Feral Negro Beast. http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 15:37 | -!- | mode/#linode [+b *!*BlackCrys@*.170.185.175.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] by caker |
| 15:37 | -!- | Estiercol was kicked from #linode by caker [Estiercol] |
| 15:37 | <CWii> | oh man |
| 15:37 | <azaghal> | HoopyCat: Well, in Gentoo you update by compiling new packages, so I'm curious how Linode tolerates increased usage. |
| 15:37 | <CWii> | It's just no stop today |
| 15:37 | <Yaakov> | I really, really, don't like those guys. |
| 15:37 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 15:37 | <azaghal> | rofl |
| 15:37 | <azaghal> | What the heck |
| 15:37 | <Yaakov> | Time to set some preemptive bans in other places. |
| 15:38 | * | CWii creates ticket asking for the beacjup beta |
| 15:38 | * | CWii while improving typing |
| 15:39 | <krmdrms> | me too |
| 15:39 | <krmdrms> | :) |
| 15:39 | <krmdrms> | beachup |
| 15:39 | <CWii> | I don't like the beach too much =P |
| 15:39 | <krmdrms> | =) |
| 15:40 | <CWii> | Perfer my desk ;) |
| 15:40 | <HoopyCat> | azaghal: well, just make sure you don't swap-thrash and consider using -j4 so you're using all four cylinders and enjoy. :-) |
| 15:40 | <azaghal> | CWii: Keep practicing on typing :) |
| 15:41 | <CWii> | A b c d... |
| 15:41 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 15:41 | <azaghal> | lol |
| 15:41 | <CWii> | http://imgkk.com/i/f4rrzsf8.jpg Doesn't it look homey? |
| 15:42 | <krmdrms> | Thats a huge case fan! |
| 15:42 | <CWii> | I know, 230mm =P |
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| 15:43 | <azaghal> | CWii: Address not found here. |
| 15:43 | <CWii> | Really? |
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| 15:43 | <azaghal> | Yep. Maybe slow DNS? |
| 15:44 | <azaghal> | Or recent? |
| 15:44 | <HoopyCat> | works fine for me |
| 15:44 | <CWii> | No, it's been there for over 2 months |
| 15:44 | <Yaakov> | http://kovaya.com/p/desk-0.jpg |
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| 15:44 | <Yaakov> | A little different approach. |
| 15:44 | <CWii> | Yaakov, I really would like a spacious desk, this desk used to be my fathers when he was a kid 9.9 |
| 15:45 | <darkw> | hey i have a question... lets say i purchase a vps.... am i able to change the location later on if i decide to do so? |
| 15:45 | <Yaakov> | That's one of three desks, though only one other has computers on it. |
| 15:45 | <krmdrms> | yep |
| 15:45 | <chargrill> | Yaakov: omg, you could control the space shuttle from that desk!@! |
| 15:45 | <Yaakov> | I do. |
| 15:45 | <darkw> | how much do they charge to change location? |
| 15:45 | <@caker> | darkw: $0,000,000,000,000,000.00 |
| 15:46 | <krmdrms> | tidy Yaakov :p |
| 15:46 | <darkw> | ok ty |
| 15:46 | <darkw> | wait, how would i change it? i have to submit a ticket? |
| 15:46 | <Yaakov> | I try. I clean it once a month if it needs it or not. |
| 15:46 | <@caker> | darkw: yup |
| 15:46 | <darkw> | k |
| 15:46 | <azaghal> | Hm... This is weird. Dig on ns1.gamingmasters.co.uk (which was reported as authorative for imgkk.com) failed. |
| 15:47 | <CWii> | You know their DNS might be down and I have it cached. |
| 15:48 | <azaghal> | My ISP's DNS must be messed-up. |
| 15:48 | <darkw> | i had a linode in new jersey a few months ago.. it was awesome, never had any downtime.. i'm considering going texas... how good is the network there? is it as good as new jersey? |
| 15:48 | <@caker> | darkw: they're all great |
| 15:48 | <darkw> | figured you'd say that :p |
| 15:49 | <darkw> | ok i'll have to give it a try soon then |
| 15:49 | <Yaakov> | !dig imgkk.com |
| 15:49 | <linbot> | Yaakov: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: imgkk.com. 3600 IN A 81.19.212.48 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION |
| 15:49 | <Yaakov> | !dig ns1.gamingmasters.co.uk |
| 15:49 | <linbot> | Yaakov: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: ns1.gamingmasters.co.uk. 3562 IN CNAME gamingmasters.co.uk. | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION |
| 15:49 | <azaghal> | Using direct IP didn't help, though. |
| 15:49 | <HoopyCat> | darkw: they are, indeed, all great. no discernable differences aside from geographic location |
| 15:50 | <Yaakov> | !dig gamingmasters.co.uk |
| 15:50 | <linbot> | Yaakov: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: gamingmasters.co.uk. 3541 IN A 81.19.212.48 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION |
| 15:50 | <darkw> | i take it they use the same datacenter |
| 15:50 | <azaghal> | I'm in Dallas, works like a charm (although I have long response times, but that's because I'm accross the ocean ;) |
| 15:50 | <darkw> | or who is the texas datacenter? |
| 15:51 | <Yaakov> | I think Newark is the best! (But not for any reason.) |
| 15:51 | <CWii> | azaghal, Where are you? |
| 15:51 | <HoopyCat> | darkw: newark is NAC, dallas is theplanet |
| 15:51 | <darkw> | i know mine when i was in newark was good yaakov |
| 15:51 | <Yaakov> | !download |
| 15:51 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 15:51 | <Yaakov> | Check for speed! Use that link above! |
| 15:52 | <darkw> | theplanet.. excellent choice too... definitely going for it then |
| 15:52 | <darkw> | just one question though.. irc processes allowed if i go texas? i was certain that theplanet didnt allow irc |
| 15:52 | <MJCS> | i believe so |
| 15:52 | <MJCS> | only NJ is blocked |
| 15:53 | <HoopyCat> | darkw: all ports are clear everywhere, except for atlanta, whose stick-in-the-mud datacenter people block a number of ports including 6667 |
| 15:53 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 15:53 | <darkw> | no mjcs, nj isn't blocked lol |
| 15:53 | <MJCS> | i thought irc was not permitted in Newark |
| 15:54 | <HoopyCat> | MJCS: nope, IRC is fine |
| 15:54 | <bd_> | IRC is permitted anywhere - some incoming ports are blocked in atlanta though |
| 15:54 | <MJCS> | Yes. Our Atlanta facility does filter the common ports used by IRC, but you're free to use alternate ports. The other datacenters do not filter IRC. |
| 15:54 | <MJCS> | http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#can-i-run-an-IRC-server-on-my-linode |
| 15:54 | <HoopyCat> | http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Atlanta_Port_Filtering for the complete list as of a little while ago |
| 15:57 | <darkw> | where can i get info about the networks? bandwidth providers, hardware info, etc |
| 15:58 | <bd_> | http://www.nac.net/images/networkmaps/nacnetworkmap.gif <-- the newark network map. not sure which DC on that map linode's in though |
| 15:59 | <bd_> | though based on traceroutes it's probably mmu |
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| 15:59 | <HoopyCat> | http://www.robtex.com/route/67.18.0.0-15.html <--- for dallas, approximately |
| 15:59 | <HoopyCat> | and yeah, i do believe it is MMU for newark |
| 16:00 | <darkw> | and how about server specs? |
| 16:01 | <krmdrms> | 8 core xeon 2.00 or 2.50 ghz and plenty amount of ram |
| 16:01 | <darkw> | wow.. they must have upgraded |
| 16:01 | <mwalling> | darkw: OMGFAST. that is all. |
| 16:01 | <HoopyCat> | they vary, by age of host; from photographic evidence, the servers appear to be supermicro 1U chasses |
| 16:01 | <krmdrms> | ROCKURWORLD |
| 16:01 | <krmdrms> | heh |
| 16:02 | <pixsoul> | hiya, I'm thinking to buy vps for my new project - I'm concidering slicehost linode and maybe webbynode. I dont like with slicehost that they are limiting connection speed - 10mbps on smallest node. how is it with linode? |
| 16:02 | <@caker> | 50mbps outbound, can raise it if you actually hit it, incoming has no limit |
| 16:03 | <MJCS> | pixsoul: i left slice host because of their speed as well |
| 16:03 | <MJCS> | I have been very pleased with linode an their support |
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| 16:03 | <darkw> | linode speed is excellent pixsoul, no complaints from me |
| 16:04 | <krmdrms> | count me in. |
| 16:04 | <HoopyCat> | darkw: disks are generally in a raid 1 configuration, although raid 10 is being introduced for quickness++ |
| 16:04 | <pixsoul> | :) and some people say that linode have better conectivity to europe... |
| 16:05 | <HoopyCat> | !download |
| 16:05 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 16:05 | <darkw> | caker, i read that the monthly transfer limit is a soft cap, and that you can go over... is it possible to get that as a hard limit? |
| 16:05 | <HoopyCat> | pixsoul: ^--- check the download speeds from newark |
| 16:05 | <krmdrms> | pixsoul yep |
| 16:05 | <krmdrms> | !download |
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| 16:05 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 16:05 | <@caker> | darkw: not from us. You can monitor it and bring your Linode down with http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1558 and lish keys and a script |
| 16:06 | <azaghal> | CWii: Serbia |
| 16:06 | <@caker> | darkw: you can also set an email alert to email you when/if you go over the threshold you set |
| 16:06 | <krmdrms> | pixsoul you can test download speeds etc. check the link above |
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| 16:07 | <pixsoul_> | just tested it - 16meg broadband and reached my speed limit |
| 16:07 | <darkw> | shutting off the vps would still allow the IP to be requested and use bandwidth wouldn't it? |
| 16:08 | <krmdrms> | darkw i dont think so |
| 16:08 | <darkw> | ok |
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| 16:08 | <bd_> | darkw: Nothing would respond to the ARP request from the router. Whether it would count against your quota would probably depend on how bandwidth accounting is implemented |
| 16:09 | <HoopyCat> | pixsoul_: nice. :-) |
| 16:09 | <bd_> | If it's measured at the host, then once the cached arp table entry expires, no traffic will reach the host, so it wouldn't be accounted. If it's accounted for at the ingress router, then it might be a different story |
| 16:09 | <Yaakov> | A "blackhole this IP" button would be nice. |
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| 16:10 | <darkw> | sure would yaakov |
| 16:10 | <iggy> | sometimes that has to be done at the DC level |
| 16:10 | <bd_> | Yaakov: it still costs linode bandwidth from their upstream, unless they call up the DC to null route it at a higher level |
| 16:10 | <bd_> | and the latter probably costs them as well |
| 16:10 | <darkw> | null routing.. there you go.. that would be nice with that ability |
| 16:10 | <HoopyCat> | bd_: i suspect it's done at the host<->linode interface, which would probably cause it to stop incrementing when the linode is stopped... hmm |
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| 16:11 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: "Blackhole HTTP Referers That Match This Pattern" |
| 16:11 | <Yaakov> | IT WOULD STILL BE NICE |
| 16:11 | <bd_> | HoopyCat: I would suspect as well. The fact that inter-linode transfers over public IPs still count against the quota supports this theory too |
| 16:11 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Heh, well, I am working on a mod_rewrite thingy to redirect based on referrer. |
| 16:11 | <bd_> | Yaakov: downing the interface will blackhole it :3 |
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| 16:11 | <bd_> | Yaakov: or remove the IP address, if you have multiple ones. |
| 16:11 | <darkw> | and if only linode offered windows os :-p |
| 16:12 | <pixsoul_> | right - looks like I should give linode a try |
| 16:12 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: lighttpd does that in half a lamb's fart |
| 16:12 | <mwalling> | darkw: windows wont run in the xen stack that linode uses |
| 16:12 | <krmdrms> | pixsoul_: definitely! |
| 16:12 | <darkw> | ahh |
| 16:12 | <pixsoul_> | just to double check - if I will choose newark location - I can test backup functionality now? and if so - for how long? |
| 16:12 | <darkw> | so i take it theres no chance in the future of windows being offered |
| 16:12 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: It exists in mod_rewrite. |
| 16:12 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: I just want to automate it. |
| 16:13 | <bd_> | pixsoul_: Not right now. Bug caker to deploy it again already :) |
| 16:13 | <mwalling> | darkw: http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#what-does-linode-stand-for |
| 16:13 | <bd_> | !backup |
| 16:13 | <linbot> | Backups are in free beta, but the stack has been down for a month or so. Check out http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4067 and join us in hoping it'll be back soon. |
| 16:13 | <Yaakov> | bd_: It is working NOW. |
| 16:13 | <bd_> | Yaakov: it is? |
| 16:13 | <Yaakov> | Yes. |
| 16:13 | <bd_> | :o |
| 16:13 | <mwalling> | bfaild_ |
| 16:13 | <darkw> | i know what linode stands for.. linux node |
| 16:13 | <krmdrms> | :)) |
| 16:13 | <HoopyCat> | darkw: if microsoft were to release a kernel that works under xen paravirtualization, and supports serial console, and isn't a bear in 360MB of RAM and 16GB of disk, it'd work just fine ;-) |
| 16:13 | <bd_> | oh hey! |
| 16:13 | <bd_> | it's back, awesome |
| 16:13 | <HoopyCat> | darkw: in other words, if windows were linux, windows would work fine |
| 16:13 | <Turl1> | hi caker |
| 16:14 | <bd_> | !backup |
| 16:14 | <linbot> | Backups are in free beta, but the stack has been down for a month or so. Check out http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4067 and join us in hoping it'll be back soon. |
| 16:14 | <Turl1> | caker: just trying the http://www.linode.com/members/info/?user=myusername |
| 16:14 | <bd_> | !backup |
| 16:14 | <linbot> | Backups are in free beta in certain DCs (including newark). See http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4067 for details. |
| 16:14 | <Turl1> | doesn't work well :/ |
| 16:14 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: are you trying it from your linode? |
| 16:14 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: nope |
| 16:14 | <mwalling> | Turl1: you need to request it from an ip associated with the account |
| 16:14 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 16:14 | <darkw> | i have a few server applications that will only run on windows, only reason i really want a windows vps lol |
| 16:14 | <Yaakov> | Dallas and Newark, Atlanta Real Soon Now™ |
| 16:14 | <mwalling> | Turl1: i think it mentinos that in the forum post. |
| 16:14 | <CWii> | darkw, Like what? |
| 16:14 | <Turl1> | "The http request must come from one of the IPs of [linodeUsername]." |
| 16:15 | <Turl1> | I have disabled whitelisting |
| 16:15 | <bd_> | Yaakov: And Fremont in a decade when they have more power available? ;) |
| 16:15 | <mwalling> | Turl1: unrelated. |
| 16:15 | <Peng_> | pixsoul_: I'm pretty sure Slicehost will up your connection speed if you ask, FWIW. |
| 16:15 | * | mwalling stabs Peng_ |
| 16:15 | <@caker> | Peng_: negative |
| 16:15 | <CWii> | sshhhh |
| 16:15 | <Yaakov> | bd_: They have to find a low emission storage server. |
| 16:15 | <darkw> | CWii, games |
| 16:15 | <bd_> | The fremont storage servers will be built upon ultra-low-power 1K RPM drives ;) |
| 16:16 | <mwalling> | bd_: SSDs! |
| 16:16 | <CWii> | darkw, What kind of game servers? SrcDS? |
| 16:16 | <HoopyCat> | darkw: if it's tw2002, that works just fine under wine on straterra's 1080 ;-) |
| 16:16 | <bd_> | mwalling: Not enough storage per dollar, surely |
| 16:16 | <bd_> | SSDs would be nicer on hosts than backup servers :) |
| 16:16 | <mwalling> | bd_: but its low power! |
| 16:16 | <CWii> | mwalling, Maybe we could hire someone to write by hand? |
| 16:16 | <mwalling> | darkw: bzfs runs on linux, what more do you need? |
| 16:17 | <darkw> | my own, and i don't do any programming for linux compatibility, so they're windows based |
| 16:17 | <Yaakov> | The new wind-powered drives will work. |
| 16:17 | <CWii> | darkw, Ah I see. |
| 16:17 | <pixsoul_> | ok, cool, cheers guys for all help :) but probably will go with linode as they are giving more ram, disk and traffic in the same price and look same good as slicehost |
| 16:17 | <Turl1> | mwalling: oh, I got it :P it's the linodes ip's associated with the acct, not the user's ip |
| 16:17 | <@caker> | Turl1: also, that forum post is kinda outdated. The username is actually that Linode's Lish username (listed on the console subtab) |
| 16:17 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 16:17 | <darkw> | at least until i learn how to program for linux lol |
| 16:17 | <Turl1> | thanks caker :) |
| 16:17 | <Peng_> | mwalling: :P caker: Oh, OK. |
| 16:18 | -!- | Turl1 is now known as Turl |
| 16:18 | <darkw> | caker, can i hire you as a server admin :P |
| 16:18 | <HoopyCat> | darkw: what language is it in? |
| 16:18 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 16:18 | <darkw> | if i get a vps, and how much do you charge lol |
| 16:18 | <darkw> | C++ |
| 16:19 | <HoopyCat> | darkw: hmmm... yeah, that could be a morass to port |
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| 16:19 | <darkw> | whats the best language option for linux then? |
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| 16:19 | <CWii> | It's not the wrost. |
| 16:19 | <CWii> | It's just not easily cross platform. |
| 16:20 | <HoopyCat> | darkw: C++ works fine under linux, but getting the same code to work fine under linux AND windows is a morass :-) |
| 16:20 | <CWii> | If you wanted cross platform it would be python or PHP |
| 16:20 | <@caker> | darkw: yes - $120/hour |
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| 16:20 | <mwalling> | darkw: what lang is your stuff in now? |
| 16:20 | <Yaakov> | caker: You are cheap! |
| 16:21 | <krmdrms> | :) |
| 16:21 | <iggy> | you have no idea |
| 16:21 | <darkw> | c++ mwalling |
| 16:21 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: 16:18 darkw C++ |
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| 16:21 | <mwalling> | shush, he blends in |
| 16:21 | * | mwalling stabs nickcolor.pl |
| 16:21 | <Yaakov> | -!- JoeK2 [~ad4cb717@webuser.linode.com] |
| 16:21 | <JoeK2> | i have quick question |
| 16:21 | <Yaakov> | GAR |
| 16:21 | <mwalling> | Yaakov: fail |
| 16:21 | <JoeK2> | looking at signing up |
| 16:21 | <mwalling> | !ask away |
| 16:21 | <linbot> | Don't ask to ask; just ASK |
| 16:21 | <Peng_> | JoeK2: Good plan! :) |
| 16:21 | <krmdrms> | shoot |
| 16:21 | <CWii> | JoeK2, you have 30 seconds gogogo |
| 16:21 | <@caker> | JoeK2: DOIT |
| 16:21 | <JoeK2> | once i sign up, how long until my VPS is accessible |
| 16:21 | <mwalling> | JoeK2: -1 seconds |
| 16:21 | <krmdrms> | great question |
| 16:22 | <@caker> | JoeK2: instant activation in most cases, so .. instantly. |
| 16:22 | * | CWii claps |
| 16:22 | <HoopyCat> | JoeK2: about five minutes from starting signup to booting, if you type really fast |
| 16:22 | <JoeK2> | looking to configure it tonight |
| 16:22 | <JoeK2> | need instant gratification |
| 16:22 | <CWii> | I did mine in about 2 hours. |
| 16:22 | <HoopyCat> | JoeK2: are you in the united states? |
| 16:22 | <mwalling> | darkw: you use MSVS? |
| 16:22 | <JoeK2> | y |
| 16:22 | <CWii> | I'm just slow. |
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| 16:22 | <HoopyCat> | JoeK2: yeah, you're fine, just make sure your address matches and you aren't proxying through china via romania |
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| 16:23 | <JoeK2> | anyone run a mail server in their VPS? |
| 16:23 | <mwalling> | lots of us |
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| 16:23 | <CWii> | Lot's of people go |
| 16:23 | <CWii> | do* |
| 16:23 | <CWii> | arghhh |
| 16:23 | <JoeK2> | i was looking @ slicehost too |
| 16:23 | <Peng_> | Even if you fail instant activation, caker's here, so you'd probably be manually activated in 2 minutes. |
| 16:23 | <mwalling> | !64bit |
| 16:23 | <linbot> | http://journal.dedasys.com/2008/11/24/slicehost-vs-linode |
| 16:23 | <JoeK2> | linode seems to have better pricing |
| 16:23 | <mwalling> | JoeK2: ^^ |
| 16:24 | <Peng_> | JoeK2: Indeed Linode does. |
| 16:24 | * | krmdrms hugs his little linode :p |
| 16:24 | <JoeK2> | good link |
| 16:25 | <JoeK2> | looking at debian for rails stack. thoughts? |
| 16:25 | <@caker> | sounds good to me |
| 16:25 | <mwalling> | do it |
| 16:25 | <mwalling> | you dont want to know what my thoughts are right now |
| 16:25 | <CWii> | That reminds me. |
| 16:26 | <Peng_> | Peng_'s thoughts: "heheh, nunchuck is a funny word". |
| 16:26 | * | CWii checks to see if php was updated for pacman |
| 16:26 | <JoeK2> | one more: if i start with one plan, how long to upgrade to higher plan? |
| 16:26 | <HoopyCat> | my thoughts: "yaknow, i was totally going to go water the flowers 1.5 hours ago, why am i not gone?" |
| 16:26 | <CWii> | http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/php/ |
| 16:27 | <CWii> | Still no update, what's up with that. |
| 16:27 | <Peng_> | JoeK2: You have to file a support ticket. Once everything is set up, it'll take a minute or two per GB of disk image you have. Probably significantly faster. |
| 16:27 | <JoeK2> | thx, now to order |
| 16:28 | <Peng_> | JoeK2: If you can't wait for a ticket, you can buy a new node, clone your disk images over and cancel the old one. Everything's prorate to the day, so you'll only be out like $0.50, if that. |
| 16:28 | <Peng_> | prorated* |
| 16:28 | <@caker> | can also swap ipz |
| 16:29 | <Peng_> | Oh, forgot about that. |
| 16:30 | <HedgeMage> | hey, caker, may I pm you? |
| 16:30 | <@caker> | sure |
| 16:31 | <Peng_> | I get so curious whenever people ask that. :( |
| 16:31 | <Yaakov> | Peng_: May I PM you? |
| 16:32 | <mwalling> | Yaakov: may i pm you? |
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| 16:33 | <Peng_> | Yaakov: Of course! What juicy secrets do you have to share with only me? :D |
| 16:33 | <Peng_> | Hmm, should've gone with "me alone". |
| 16:33 | <darkw> | Peng_, mind if I PM you? |
| 16:33 | <Yaakov> | mwalling: We are considering your application to PM and will respond within 10 days. Depending on the state where you live, you may have certain rights. Please check http://pm-apps.dontlike.us/ for more information about your rights. |
| 16:34 | <Yaakov> | Peng_: I was just checking, thanks. |
| 16:34 | <HoopyCat> | nobody likes sudden onset PMs |
| 16:34 | <Peng_> | I don't mind sudden onset PMs. |
| 16:34 | <Peng_> | darkw: <3 |
| 16:34 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 16:34 | <darkw> | lol |
| 16:35 | <Turl> | mhm, http://forever.broked.net/~jason/bw.pl.txt looks like sth cool (except the fact that it's perl) |
| 16:35 | <Turl> | HoopyCat: PMs don't disturb any more than an MSN contact |
| 16:37 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: actually, jabber/oscar/msn contacts default to sharing a single window unless individually moved to their own; private messages via IRC open a new window |
| 16:37 | <Peng_> | An MSN contact would greatly disturb me, since I don't have an MSN client installed. |
| 16:37 | <Nivex> | some people don't seem to like them. I saw someone in this channel drop an f-bomb on someone because they PMed |
| 16:37 | <Nivex> | not real sure why |
| 16:37 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: so, for me, technically speaking, it IS more disruptive. however, that just means i have to type /win close to make you go away :-) |
| 16:37 | <mwalling> | Nivex: me? |
| 16:38 | <Peng_> | Nivex: Crappy IRC clients, maybe? |
| 16:38 | <Nivex> | dunno. there may have been extenuating circumstances |
| 16:38 | * | mwalling loads an fbomb into a b2 and flys it over rochester |
| 16:38 | <HoopyCat> | hee hee |
| 16:39 | <Yaakov> | It's an MFOAB. |
| 16:39 | <mwalling> | Nivex: i hate it when someone comes in here, asks a question, i answer, and all of a sudden they want private support in query. |
| 16:39 | <Yaakov> | mwalling: Mind if I PM? |
| 16:39 | <Turl> | HoopyCat: in my case, a PM just opens a new tab in my IM window, so I just click on the little x and it's done :P |
| 16:39 | <mwalling> | Yaakov: as long as pparadis isnt around, not at all |
| 16:40 | <Yaakov> | You are afraid he will be jealous? |
| 16:40 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: wow, if i had to move my mouse, i'd probably kill someone |
| 16:40 | <Nivex> | /msg urmom ... |
| 16:40 | <mwalling> | Nivex: learned a lot of what i know right here, because people like bd_ correct me... |
| 16:40 | <HoopyCat> | it's usually buried in shit |
| 16:40 | <mwalling> | Nivex: now imagine if i told someone the wrong thing in a pm... no one is there to catch me |
| 16:40 | <Yaakov> | bd_: Please corret mwalling. |
| 16:41 | <Nivex> | not to mention that someone else might be listening in channel that could benefit from that nugget of wisdom |
| 16:41 | <Yaakov> | "nugget" |
| 16:41 | <Turl> | HoopyCat: I can also leave it open without minding |
| 16:41 | <HoopyCat> | "wisdom" |
| 16:41 | <Peng_> | "of" |
| 16:41 | <Yaakov> | "benefit" |
| 16:41 | <HoopyCat> | "listening" |
| 16:41 | <Nivex> | nuggets with benefits? |
| 16:41 | <Peng_> | "enough" |
| 16:42 | <Yaakov> | "someone" |
| 16:42 | <HoopyCat> | p-p-p-pengo breaker |
| 16:42 | <Yaakov> | Peng_: That was nugatory. |
| 16:43 | <Turl> | Staying alive, staying alive...... |
| 16:43 | <mwalling> | Nivex: well, that and said person might get the opinion that i was acting in malice, and go around spreading fud about the entire comunity, or linode itself |
| 16:43 | * | mwalling paranoid |
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| 16:43 | <Turl> | paranoia is #1 |
| 16:43 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: i do employ an integrated real-time multimode communications system infrastructure, so it's not a serious issue at least. but, really, for me, it comes down to what mwalling said |
| 16:44 | <Turl> | HoopyCat: share the code! |
| 16:44 | <Yaakov> | For me it is a matter of gronchin lophitration. |
| 16:45 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: i probably utter complete uninformed bullpoop in here at least once a day, and if it weren't for the dedicated efforts of everyone else here, the world would be incrementally stupider through my ineptitude |
| 16:45 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: download the code: screen+irssi+twirssi+bitlbee :-) |
| 16:47 | <Turl> | HoopyCat: thought you would say "empathy" or "pidgin" heh |
| 16:48 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: naw, keep it all text-style |
| 16:48 | <Karrde> | whoops. pro tip: exclude your virtual machines from your general system backups (that are expected to be under 1GB in size) |
| 16:48 | <chiisai> | hmm. I'm having trouble with my linode going oom (for no apparent reason, as there usually is over 100 MB RAM free and no swap being used, and I'm not being hit by more traffic than usual). when it goes oom, it stays like that until I reboot (100% cpu, disk IO rate near 20k and very low net traffic), killing random processes (irssi, apache, mysql, znc, ps...) and not letting me in via lish or ssh. is there some kind of tool that will log whatever ha |
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| 16:48 | * | Turl 's super WiFi router sucks |
| 16:49 | <Turl> | any tip for making a WRT54GC a super router? |
| 16:49 | <HoopyCat> | chiisai: munin is handy, but it sounds like you're going under pretty fast. are you using the default apache settings for server forking, perchance? |
| 16:49 | <HoopyCat> | brb, natural gas emergency |
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| 16:51 | <HoopyCat> | note to self: test the range burners for proper functionality after cleaning |
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| 16:56 | <mwalling> | chiisai: there are kernel knobs you can tweek that will cause OOMkiller to panic the kernel, then another knob that will shut down on panic |
| 16:56 | <mwalling> | once you shut down, lassie will boot you back up |
| 16:56 | <mwalling> | like wearing a dora the explorer bandaid in public, but should help a bit |
| 16:58 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: take that back |
| 16:58 | <mwalling> | NEVAR |
| 16:59 | <Palintheus> | hahaha |
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| 18:05 | <Yaakov> | SpaceHobo: This is why I don't have network connections on any of my computers, and I run the headless, with no terminal. |
| 18:05 | <bob2> | oh man |
| 18:06 | <Yaakov> | them, too. |
| 18:06 | <bob2> | php cms in local user compromise shocker |
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| 18:22 | <HoopyCat> | i've started running each php application under its own username, to cut down on the amount of crap a rogue application can mess up |
| 18:23 | <Turl1> | <cpuConsumption>5.0991</cpuConsumption> |
| 18:23 | <Turl1> | what would that be? 5%? 5 units of something? |
| 18:24 | <Turl1> | I'm looking at http://www.linode.com/members/info/?user=mylinode |
| 18:24 | <Peng_> | Turl1: Probably the usual % |
| 18:24 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: probability that your cardiopulminary (CPU) system has tuberculosis (formerly known as "consumption") |
| 18:25 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: 'tis percent of one host CPU used on average since the first of the month... so, on average, you use 5% of one CPU |
| 18:26 | <Turl1> | My linode is really light then - good for my neighbours :P |
| 18:27 | <Nivex> | in Graphs -> Historical Data, why are some months not linked? |
| 18:28 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: you're using more than i am :-) |
| 18:29 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: then your linode is idle I guess :P |
| 18:30 | <HoopyCat> | Nivex: i don't know... i remember hearing some explanation for it but i can't recall |
| 18:31 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: 4.53% on one, 1.45% on the other :-) |
| 18:32 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: I run a light webserver, what do you run? a ssh server only? :P |
| 18:33 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: a web server with about 125k hits/day, nearly all of which are dynamic (even images, mumble mumble) |
| 18:34 | <Turl1> | 125000 hits?! Mine gets 1k a day and uses more than yours :S |
| 18:34 | <Turl1> | Worst thing is, I use *really heavy* caching |
| 18:35 | <Turl1> | at webserver level (cache html), memory and opcode level (XCache), and at mysql level (query cache) |
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| 18:36 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: the smaller one is a modest web server of ~3k hits/day, and about 1.5k mail attempts/day, plus asterisk for the home phones, and -- this is the biggie -- my IRC client |
| 18:36 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: "mail attempts"? spam you mean? |
| 18:38 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: oh, this is a wiki written in python, with postgresql, lighttpd, and memcached doing that voodoo that they do :-) |
| 18:38 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: grep " connect from" mail.log.0 | wc -l... mostly spam, from my casual watching of the log |
| 18:39 | <Turl1> | I run mysql+lighttpd+php+xcache |
| 18:39 | <Turl1> | +wordpress |
| 18:39 | <Turl1> | xcache really helps, I must say |
| 18:39 | <HoopyCat> | all other things being equal, fat people use more soap |
| 18:45 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: cool uh? http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/17934/screenshot_007_26Ix4f.png |
| 18:47 | <HoopyCat> | p.s. that is all she wrote: no fancy python tricks, no opcode caches or anything like that ('side from python's .pyc stuff, which shaves a few milliseconds off of boot)... denyhosts, lighttpd, python, munin-node, cron, memcached, exim4, ntpd, postgres, sshd, openvpn, syslogd :-) |
| 18:47 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: http://rocwiki.org/System_Info :-) |
| 18:48 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: nice formatting on the bandwidth totals. it's easy to get lazy on those :-) |
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| 19:19 | <Turl> | HoopyCat: any wiki or sth to share the code? |
| 19:32 | <straterra> | mikegrb: why the hate?! |
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| 19:34 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 19:34 | <purrdeta> | lol |
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| 19:37 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: http://www.projectsycamore.org/ i think |
| 19:37 | <Turl> | HoopyCat: ¬¬ |
| 19:38 | <Turl> | I meant a linode wiki where I could post the code, not a wiki software :P |
| 19:38 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: oh! http://wiki.linode.com/ :-) |
| 19:38 | <Turl> | thanks :) |
| 19:38 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: sorry, got lost in google earth for a bit and lost context |
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| 19:41 | <Turl> | np HoopyCat |
| 19:46 | <MJCS> | !time |
| 19:46 | <linbot> | MJCS: 07:46 PM, July 05, 2009 |
| 19:46 | <MJCS> | !time Melbourne, Australia |
| 19:48 | <HoopyCat> | !wolframalpha time in melbourne, australia |
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| 19:48 | <HoopyCat> | !f time in melbourne, australia |
| 19:48 | <linbot> | HoopyCat: 9:48:15 am EST | Monday, July 6, 2009 |
| 19:48 | <HoopyCat> | oh that works |
| 19:48 | <HoopyCat> | when in doubt, f it |
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| 19:49 | <me> | hey all..back to see if I can have a chat to a linode employee re: data privacy measures |
| 19:49 | <krmdrms> | !f time in istanbul, turkey |
| 19:49 | <linbot> | krmdrms: 2:49:47 am EEST | Monday, July 6, 2009 |
| 19:50 | <laser`> | me: The ops (prepended by @) are staff, the rest of us are just the helpful community |
| 19:50 | <laser`> | To guarantee a response, it's best to raise a ticket |
| 19:50 | <krmdrms> | me: you can open a ticket if you want |
| 19:51 | <me> | laser & krmdrms: thanks for responses guys...yeh..just wanting some official word that's all..may be best to do it via a ticket I guess.. |
| 19:51 | <me> | ..but yes...rest of you guys are helpful..that's why I pop in and out now and then |
| 19:52 | <me> | besides...can be entertaining too :) |
| 19:54 | <Turl> | HoopyCat: http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Bandwidth ;) |
| 19:55 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Bandwidth <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Bandwidth> |
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| 20:01 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: :-) |
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| 20:11 | <Turl> | is the ipv6 HE tunnel free? |
| 20:11 | <straterra> | Free as in money, yes |
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| 20:12 | <tjfontaine> | but the technology is patent encumbered? |
| 20:12 | <Turl> | and is it worth it? |
| 20:12 | <Turl> | I mean, it won't hurt setting it up? |
| 20:12 | <HoopyCat> | it's not free as in beer |
| 20:13 | <tjfontaine> | where can I find free beer? |
| 20:13 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: it's the good kind of hurt; the kind where you learn something. :-) |
| 20:13 | <HoopyCat> | tjfontaine: IPv8 |
| 20:13 | <tjfontaine> | awesome |
| 20:14 | <Turl> | HoopyCat: but it won't break my filesystems nor take my ipv4 down right? :P |
| 20:14 | <Turl> | that would be a bad hurt |
| 20:14 | <tjfontaine> | yes it will |
| 20:14 | <tjfontaine> | all of them |
| 20:14 | <tjfontaine> | it will rot your system to the core |
| 20:16 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: if it causes filesystem damage, you're reading the wrong howto. :-) however, as with any change to network configuration, it has the potential to break stuff if not done right the first time (so have your lish standing by...) |
| 20:17 | <Turl> | thanks HoopyCat :) |
| 20:17 | <Turl> | Argentina is ipv4-only AFAIK, so I won't be able to use it anyway :P |
| 20:17 | <Peng_> | Turl: You can set up another tunnel at home. |
| 20:18 | <Peng_> | Turl: What distro do you use? |
| 20:18 | <Peng_> | your node, I mean |
| 20:18 | <Turl> | Ubuntu |
| 20:19 | <Turl> | intrepid I guess |
| 20:19 | <Turl> | I didn't upgrade yet |
| 20:19 | <Turl> | yeah it's intrepid, just checked |
| 20:19 | <Turl> | brb, out to dine |
| 20:19 | <Peng_> | I run an HE IPv6 tunnel on Hardy, so I may be able to help. :) |
| 20:21 | <HoopyCat> | i do as well, with an openvpn tunnel to home to transport the ipv6 goodness :-) |
| 20:22 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: Have you written a howto on that yet? :D |
| 20:22 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: Not trying to rush you or anything, but if you had, I probably would've missed it, so... |
| 20:26 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: no, but it is actually on my to-do list with a due date |
| 20:27 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: i did not anticipate a 7-week writing intensive history course to kick my ass so |
| 20:33 | <Turl> | I'll start with http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/IPv6 , let's see what happens |
| 20:35 | <Turl> | first question, do I need a regular or bgp tunnel? |
| 20:35 | <HoopyCat> | regular |
| 20:35 | <amitz> | HoopyCat: hmm what's disturbing is that I can't conclude whether the sarcasm about humanity doing what the mythology does is really meant to be a sarcasm or not.. :-) |
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| 20:37 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: the atrocities and horrors committed using the various mythologies (ancient and contemporary) as justification are numerous and continuing; so, no, not sarcasm :-) |
| 20:38 | <straterra> | turl, regular |
| 20:38 | <amitz> | A-KO: HoopyCat: btw, for some merchants, there is no based fee for credit card charging. Specifically the X part of the form of $X+%ofNominalTransaction. Not even an annual fee. |
| 20:38 | <straterra> | if you dont know if you need bgp...you don't |
| 20:38 | <Turl> | what's nearer atlanta? dallas, toronto, ny, los angeles, fremont, seattle, ashburn, miami or chicago? |
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| 20:39 | <Peng_> | Turl: Probably Ashburn. Ping 'em and check. |
| 20:39 | <Turl> | good idea |
| 20:39 | <Peng_> | Turl: Miami, Chicago and Dallas are the next-closest. |
| 20:39 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: hmmmmm....... i'd say miami, dallas, ashburn, chicago, new york, toronto, los angeles, fremont, seattle, sorting geographically |
| 20:40 | <straterra> | china is closest |
| 20:40 | <HoopyCat> | i might be mis-guessing where atlanta is along the miami-ashburn axis |
| 20:40 | <Turl> | ashburn is fastest up to now |
| 20:40 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: those usually aren't the merchants with the minimums, i fear |
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| 20:42 | <Eviltechie> | How come the default ubuntu instalation is missing a bunch of common stuff like cron, wget, nano, etc. |
| 20:42 | <straterra> | It's been stripped down |
| 20:42 | <straterra> | use apt-get to install what you need |
| 20:43 | <Eviltechie> | Also, why was the multiverse not included in the sources list? |
| 20:43 | <guinea-pig> | i thought it was just a minimal installation, not a stripped down one |
| 20:43 | <straterra> | You thought wrong |
| 20:43 | <straterra> | :) |
| 20:43 | <Peng_> | Wow, no cron, wget or nano? Back when I installed, I'm not sure about wget, but it definitely had the others. |
| 20:44 | <straterra> | Eviltechie: What is this multiverse you speak up? |
| 20:44 | <Peng_> | Seriously, no cron? |
| 20:44 | <guinea-pig> | rather, i thought it was a minimal, with a few silly unneeded things removed |
| 20:44 | <Eviltechie> | No cron |
| 20:44 | <guinea-pig> | Peng_: maybe because of anacron? |
| 20:44 | <@caker> | we didn't deliberately strip it down .. it's a minimal install |
| 20:44 | <supine> | Eviltechie: multiverse is never included in default installs |
| 20:44 | <guinea-pig> | also... what supine said |
| 20:44 | <Yaakov> | My Debian installation was just the kernel, less and vim. |
| 20:45 | <Eviltechie> | I know stuff is usally commented out, but it wasn't even on the list. It took me a while to figure out why a lot of stuff was broken. |
| 20:45 | <guinea-pig> | broken? |
| 20:45 | <straterra> | What was broken? |
| 20:45 | <@caker> | Eviltechie: which version was this? |
| 20:45 | <guinea-pig> | if something requires something from multiverse, shouldn't that be in multiverse too? |
| 20:45 | <straterra> | What is this multiverse? |
| 20:45 | <guinea-pig> | ubuntuism |
| 20:45 | <Eviltechie> | It's where some of the restricted stuff is |
| 20:46 | <supine> | straterra: it's stuff that's outside the Canonical umbrella |
| 20:46 | <Eviltechie> | Not exacltly broken, but messed up. |
| 20:46 | <guinea-pig> | messed up how? |
| 20:46 | <tjfontaine> | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/components |
| 20:46 | <straterra> | Well..what's messed up? |
| 20:46 | <@caker> | Eviltechie: which Ubuntu template was this, and what was broken? |
| 20:46 | <tjfontaine> | The "multiverse" component contains software that is "not free", which means the licensing requirements of this software do not meet the Ubuntu "main" Component Licence Policy. |
| 20:46 | <tjfontaine> | The onus is on you to verify your rights to use this software and comply with the licensing terms of the copyright holder. |
| 20:46 | <tjfontaine> | This software is not supported and usually cannot be fixed or updated. Use it at your own risk. |
| 20:46 | <Eviltechie> | The 9.04, and broken because I'm missing a lot of the default programs that are usally part of any linux. |
| 20:47 | <straterra> | Damn ubuntu |
| 20:47 | <tjfontaine> | we have different definitions of "broken" |
| 20:47 | <@caker> | indeed |
| 20:47 | <guinea-pig> | "default" |
| 20:47 | <tjfontaine> | physically and forcibly separated into pieces or cracked or split; "a broken mirror"; "a broken tooth"; "a broken leg"; "his neck is broken" |
| 20:47 | <guinea-pig> | it has what it needs to run what's in the minimal install |
| 20:47 | <tjfontaine> | subdued or brought low in condition or status; "brought low"; "a broken man"; "his broken spirit" |
| 20:47 | <tjfontaine> | (especially of promises or contracts) having been violated or disregarded; "broken (or unkept) promises"; "broken contracts" |
| 20:47 | <guinea-pig> | any more, you need to apt-get yourself |
| 20:47 | <tjfontaine> | tamed or trained to obey; "a horse broken to the saddle"; "this old nag is well broken in" |
| 20:47 | <Eviltechie> | Unexpected? |
| 20:48 | <tjfontaine> | http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/hardy/ubuntu-minimal |
| 20:48 | <tjfontaine> | This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu minimal system, that is a functional command-line system with the following capabilities: |
| 20:48 | <tjfontaine> | *functional* |
| 20:48 | <straterra> | must not include emacs then |
| 20:49 | <Eviltechie> | Also, what happened to the admin group? |
| 20:49 | <tjfontaine> | sigh |
| 20:49 | <guinea-pig> | what admin group? |
| 20:50 | <straterra> | Isn't that..wheel? |
| 20:50 | <tjfontaine> | admin is the group that gets sudo by default in a full desktop install |
| 20:50 | <supine> | straterra: your bsdisms are showing |
| 20:50 | <tjfontaine> | slackwares |
| 20:50 | <guinea-pig> | silly distro-specificisms |
| 20:50 | <@mikegrb> | ! people still use slackware?!?! |
| 20:50 | <straterra> | tjfontaine: I use BSD more than Slackware these days |
| 20:50 | <tjfontaine> | straterra: you also drive a chick car :) |
| 20:51 | <straterra> | urmom doesn't seem to mind |
| 20:51 | <straterra> | :) |
| 20:51 | <tjfontaine> | <3 |
| 20:51 | <Turl> | 2001:470:7:11a::1/64 is an address or a range? |
| 20:51 | <Peng_> | Has factoidbot merged with tjfontaine? |
| 20:51 | <Peng_> | Turl: It's both. :D |
| 20:51 | <straterra> | Turl: both |
| 20:51 | <Yaakov> | BOTH |
| 20:51 | <straterra> | BOTH MAN BOTH |
| 20:51 | <Nivex> | /64 denotes the netmask |
| 20:51 | <Turl> | so on my config, when it asks for the IP I write with the /64 ? |
| 20:51 | <guinea-pig> | anyway |
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| 20:51 | <Peng_> | Turl: No. |
| 20:51 | * | tjfontaine pets guinea-pig |
| 20:51 | <Peng_> | Turl: Setting up /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:52 | <Nivex> | "No, you throw the ball to Who!" |
| 20:52 | <Turl> | yeah Peng_ |
| 20:52 | <straterra> | Where's who? |
| 20:52 | <Peng_> | Turl: Here's mine, FWIW: http://cheezum.mattnordhoff.com/tmp/interfaces |
| 20:52 | <Nivex> | straterra: Who's on first. |
| 20:52 | <Turl> | thanks Peng_ |
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| 20:54 | <guinea-pig> | Eviltechie: anyways, you might want to install ubuntu-standard, but that'll include stuff you very likely don't need (and can't even use on a linode), like usbutils, pciutils and dmidecode |
| 20:54 | <guinea-pig> | and ppp crap |
| 20:54 | <Turl> | Peng_: what's "remote" ? |
| 20:54 | <@caker> | The following Linode is rated R. |
| 20:55 | <purrdeta> | heh |
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| 20:55 | <Peng_> | Turl: I dunno. |
| 20:55 | <guinea-pig> | bibi |
| 20:55 | <Peng_> | Turl: I didn't learn how /etc/network/interfaces worked, I just hit it with a hammer until it did what I wanted. |
| 20:56 | <Turl> | is it your linode's ipv4 ip or sth? |
| 20:56 | <Peng_> | Turl: It's the HE server's IPv4 IP. |
| 20:57 | * | Peng_ points at his /interfaces. |
| 20:57 | <Yaakov> | HE's page has a little config builder thingie. I used that and it worked fine. |
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| 20:57 | <HoopyCat> | my /etc/network/interfaces, which works fine: http://pastebin.com/f31e817e |
| 20:58 | <HoopyCat> | one call destroys them all |
| 20:58 | <straterra> | Yaakov: I read that as configer |
| 20:59 | <Peng_> | Yaakov: It does? I never saw that. |
| 21:00 | <straterra> | Peng_: indeed it does |
| 21:00 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: Ah. That's more or less equivalent to mine. |
| 21:00 | <Yaakov> | Bottom of "Tunnel Details" |
| 21:01 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: yeah, i didn't look at yours, but i think you actually based yours off of mine or vice versa :-) |
| 21:01 | <HoopyCat> | mine's awesome and self-contained, although if you're running ubuntus of 8.04 or so, there's that pesky modprobe thing |
| 21:02 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: I based mine off of yours once, but it didn't work, so I did something else. |
| 21:02 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: Newer Ubuntus fix the modprobe problem? |
| 21:04 | <Peng_> | straterra & Yaakov: That has commands for getting it running, but I never saw anything for /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 21:04 | <straterra> | Ooohh |
| 21:04 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: yeah, newer ubuntus fix the modprobe problem, i believe |
| 21:04 | <straterra> | My distro will take those commands easily :P |
| 21:05 | <Yaakov> | Peng_: Well, that's the configuartion that needs to end up in interfaces. |
| 21:05 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: rare is the acute ubuntu problem that isn't fixed in a newer version than the one you're running |
| 21:05 | <SelfishMan> | or apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:05 | <Peng_> | Yaakov: Sure, but hammering it into a form interfaces liked was the problem. |
| 21:05 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: :( |
| 21:06 | <SelfishMan> | "hammering it into a form interfaces liked was the problem" |
| 21:06 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: the annoying shit i run into isn't worth changing horses for, apparently |
| 21:06 | * | SelfishMan 's eye twitches |
| 21:06 | <HoopyCat> | there isn't THAT much hammering :-) |
| 21:06 | <Yaakov> | SelfishMan: Your eye is twitching. |
| 21:07 | * | SelfishMan waits for caker to disect that statement |
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| 21:07 | <Turl> | this ipv6 thing is harder than what it seems |
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| 21:07 | <SelfishMan> | Turl: no it isn't |
| 21:07 | <Yaakov> | It's very close to trivial. |
| 21:07 | <HoopyCat> | s/ipv6/tunneling/ |
| 21:08 | <Turl> | he's steps give "operation not permitted" when pinging |
| 21:08 | <Turl> | and the interfaces file fails to put the interface up |
| 21:08 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: which ubuntu are you running? |
| 21:08 | <Turl> | intrepid |
| 21:09 | <Peng_> | Turl: IPv6 is not to blame. If our ISPs provided native IPv6, it would be as easy as setting up IPv4. (Aside from that modprobe bug.) |
| 21:09 | <Battousai> | it'd be even easier! |
| 21:10 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: hmm... try mv /sbin/modprobe /sbin/modprobe.orig, and stick http://pastebin.com/f1f50f60b in place of /sbin/modprobe (and make it chmod 755 of course) |
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| 21:10 | <Peng_> | Battousai: It would be? Why? The lack of DHCP? |
| 21:10 | <krmdrms> | i followed the linode wiki and its working. i messed up a bit but now everything ok:) |
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| 21:10 | <Peng_> | Turl1: What was the last thing you saw? |
| 21:10 | <HoopyCat> | Turl: hmm... try mv /sbin/modprobe /sbin/modprobe.orig, and stick http://pastebin.com/f1f50f60b in place of /sbin/modprobe (and make it chmod 755 of course) |
| 21:10 | <Yaakov> | On my home box I use Miredo. |
| 21:10 | <SelfishMan> | Dear SYTYCD: Please forget to turn on Mary's microphone. I can't stand hearing her cackle when my gf is watching the show. |
| 21:11 | <Battousai> | Peng_: not so much the lack of dhcp as the introduction of useful stateless autoconfiguration |
| 21:11 | <Palintheus> | SelfishMan++ |
| 21:11 | <Turl1> | how can I delete virtual interfaces? |
| 21:11 | <Turl1> | I want to clean before doing anything else |
| 21:12 | <Peng_> | Battousai: As a Regular User connecting to a network run by somebody else, does it matter? |
| 21:12 | <Turl1> | nevermind, found it |
| 21:12 | <Yaakov> | !mtr-atlanta ipv6.kovaya.com |
| 21:12 | <linbot> | Yaakov: [mtr] ipv6.kovaya.com: not found |
| 21:12 | <Battousai> | Peng_: the regular user stipulation wasn't part of the original discussion ;) |
| 21:12 | <Yaakov> | !mtr-fremont ipv6.kovaya.com |
| 21:12 | <linbot> | Yaakov: [mtr] ipv6.kovaya.com: 7 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 73.6ms |
| 21:13 | <Yaakov> | !mtr-fremont kovaya.com |
| 21:13 | <Battousai> | you'd also (in theory) be provided nat-free home networking |
| 21:13 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: connect your computer to my LAN. as long as it supports ipv6, it will achieve the ipv6. |
| 21:13 | <linbot> | Yaakov: [mtr] kovaya.com: 7 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 73.5ms |
| 21:13 | <Battousai> | and with that, from a regular user perspective, there is less of a headache when your set-top router goes haywire |
| 21:13 | <Yaakov> | !mtr-fremont v855.com |
| 21:13 | <linbot> | Yaakov: [mtr] v855.com: 8 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 86.1ms |
| 21:14 | <SelfishMan> | Yaakov: The fremont node has IPv6 functioning |
| 21:14 | <Yaakov> | Right. |
| 21:14 | <Yaakov> | Odd... V6 was faster than V4. |
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| 21:15 | <SelfishMan> | !mtr-fremont 72.52.104.74 |
| 21:15 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: [mtr] 72.52.104.74: 3 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 1.3ms |
| 21:15 | <SelfishMan> | That's the tunnel endpoint |
| 21:15 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: You have an IPv6 LAN? How? What equipment? |
| 21:15 | <Peng_> | Battousai: Ah, good point. Getting rid of NAT would be nice. |
| 21:15 | <Battousai> | most any equipment can support it |
| 21:16 | <Battousai> | routers specifically have to provide ipv6 service |
| 21:16 | <Battousai> | but underlying switches and hubs don't care what bits you send at that level |
| 21:16 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: a linux box running openvpn (for the tunnel to my linode) and radvd (for the announcements internally) |
| 21:17 | <Peng_> | Battousai: Oh, I didn't know that about switches/hubs. |
| 21:17 | <Yaakov> | I am using Miredo on my home Debian box which is behind NAT. It works very well. |
| 21:17 | <SelfishMan> | HoopyCat: Why are you tunneling IPv6 over a vpn? Why not just use HE direct to your home? |
| 21:17 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: they may use different paths, of course. :-) it's possible the ipv4 route traverses multiple networks, but the ipv6 route stays almost all HE |
| 21:17 | <Yaakov> | I can't use HE at home because my ISP blocks ping. |
| 21:17 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: i'm behind a NAT |
| 21:18 | <Yaakov> | Miredo was startlingly easy to set up. |
| 21:18 | <SelfishMan> | HoopyCat: NAT on your end or NAT by your ISP? |
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| 21:19 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: NAT on my end |
| 21:19 | <Turl1> | OMG I think I removed /sbin/modprobe |
| 21:19 | <Battousai> | then put it back in there |
| 21:19 | <SelfishMan> | HoopyCat: Pass the protocol through to something that can handle the IPv6 tunnel? |
| 21:20 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: it's a BEFSR41, i'm lucky it passes openvpn :-) |
| 21:20 | <Nivex> | Yaakov: your ISP does WHAT‽ They should be shot for that! |
| 21:20 | <Yaakov> | I also use the OS X port of Miredo on this MBP, it works well. |
| 21:20 | <Yaakov> | Nivex: I was surprised. |
| 21:20 | <SelfishMan> | HoopyCat: It supports a DMZ port which passes everything |
| 21:20 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: this is an excellent time to test your procedure for restoring a single file from your backups! |
| 21:20 | * | SelfishMan looks for more ways to complicate HoopyCat's life |
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| 21:20 | <Yaakov> | OK, good night all. |
| 21:21 | <Yaakov> | Be well. |
| 21:21 | <HoopyCat> | g'nite Yaakov :-) |
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| 21:21 | <krmdrms> | good night Yaakov |
| 21:21 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: if backups were in Atlanta (and I had them) |
| 21:22 | <Turl1> | I think I'll just reinstall the package |
| 21:22 | <Turl1> | any idea where it is in? |
| 21:22 | <Turl1> | module-init-tools? |
| 21:22 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: there's a fine balancing act going on here with regards IPv6 tunneling, SIP/RTP, my wife's bittorrenting, and all the less-uncommon stuff, through a router that is so old it still thinks al gore won |
| 21:23 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: i ain't fsckin' with that ship |
| 21:23 | <SelfishMan> | HoopyCat: Linux box? |
| 21:23 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: besides, it gave me an opportunity to play with openvpn :-) |
| 21:23 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: yup... dpkg -S /sbin/modprobe |
| 21:24 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: i am considering it. i'll probably still keep the openvpn going, however. |
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| 21:25 | <joe> | just setup my first linode VPS running debian |
| 21:25 | <joe> | any suggestions on mail servers? |
| 21:25 | -!- | joe is now known as Guest128 |
| 21:25 | <supine> | whatever you have used and are familiar with |
| 21:25 | <supine> | failing that, postfix |
| 21:25 | <HoopyCat> | Guest128: debian defaults to exim, which is a reasonable way to go |
| 21:26 | <SelfishMan> | Guest128: use the default for your distro |
| 21:26 | <SelfishMan> | or postfix if you want to simplify it a bit |
| 21:26 | <supine> | HoopyCat: if you like your configuration scattered across 372 files |
| 21:26 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: i was using sixxs with aiccu for awhile, but they had serious silica vaginitis |
| 21:27 | <HoopyCat> | supine: i don't mind having my configuration scattered across 372 files if i don't plan on touching it :-) |
| 21:27 | <SelfishMan> | HoopyCat: HE has, unfortunately, been the most reliable for me |
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| 21:27 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: indeed... when it hasn't been, i've e-mailed them and they *thanked* me for letting them know |
| 21:28 | <amitz> | HoopyCat: well, there are additional cost in receiving credit card. For instance, dial-up cost for non-fixed line connection to cc. In some place, there is no unlimited call plan. Each cost might cost say 3 cents. Repeated attempts cost 3 cents each. So naturally there is minimum transaction of around US$5-20. |
| 21:29 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: i should do the BGP thing one of these days... :-) |
| 21:30 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: IPv6 <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/IPv6> || Getting started <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Getting_started> || Current events <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Current_events> || Asterisk <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Asterisk> || Asterisk <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Asterisk> || Asterisk <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Asterisk> || Asterisk <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.ph |
| 21:30 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: overall, i don't mind it that much if a merchant wants to say "$10 minimum on credit cards, sorry", although that's totally against the rules and can get them banninated from the credit card club |
| 21:31 | <Turl1> | hm, I did the modprobe thing HoopyCat |
| 21:31 | <Turl1> | now ifup works |
| 21:31 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: hooray! |
| 21:31 | <Turl1> | but.. ping doesn't |
| 21:31 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: ping6? |
| 21:31 | <Turl1> | yeah |
| 21:31 | <HoopyCat> | oh i forget what the fix for that is. |
| 21:31 | <Turl1> | I get ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 21:32 | <HoopyCat> | telnet irc6.oftc.net 6667? |
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| 21:33 | <Turl1> | no telnet here hehe |
| 21:33 | <Turl1> | nc connects |
| 21:33 | <Turl1> | but I guess it uses ipv4 |
| 21:33 | <HoopyCat> | also make sure you don't have any looming communism in your iptables/ip6tables configurations |
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| 21:35 | <Turl1> | do I need to do the 6to4 thing? |
| 21:36 | <Nivex> | socat is a wonderful thing |
| 21:36 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: nope |
| 21:37 | <amitz> | HoopyCat: at the end we don't accept cc, only debit card. 1. Is the problem with cc regulation as you stated. 2. Problem of potential chargeback. 3. forgot to mention, there is a time lag between transaction and money received, which mean lost of interest. |
| 21:37 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: signs are pointing towards it being a firewall thing |
| 21:37 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: I disabled my firewall |
| 21:37 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: i don't know the exact ratios, but i believe debit card transactions cost the merchant less (and the issuing bank more) than credit card transactions |
| 21:37 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: do I need some route? |
| 21:38 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: maybe... pastebin ip -6 route ? |
| 21:39 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/126842/ |
| 21:40 | <HoopyCat> | ARGH THEY AREN'T PHASES, THEY'RE LEGS! *gets out the electrical beating stick* |
| 21:40 | <HoopyCat> | *cough* sorry, pedantry at something else |
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| 21:42 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: the far end of the tunnel is 2001:470:7:11a::1 and you are 2001:470:7:11a::2, right? |
| 21:42 | <amitz> | HoopyCat: oh you mean debit card using visa/mastercard network? Nobody dare to use that here, perhaps too risky in their perception since customer has little(?)/no(?) chance to initiate chargeback. |
| 21:42 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: yeah |
| 21:43 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: well, most people aren't going to chargeback a soda (although...) |
| 21:43 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: hmm, your ip -6 route looks totally different than mine |
| 21:43 | <krmdrms> | HoopyCat if you have a min. could you look at mine too:) -> http://pastebin.com/m42083dbb |
| 21:44 | <HoopyCat> | krmdrms: yup, yours also looks different than mine :-) |
| 21:44 | <krmdrms> | that lines start with unreachable not sounds good to me. i just follow the linode wiki. |
| 21:44 | <straterra> | Interesting |
| 21:44 | <straterra> | rar for linux pukes on extracting individual files from a multipart rar |
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| 21:45 | <krmdrms> | i can ping other ipv6 hosts. i tried traceroute and it works ok. |
| 21:45 | <Smark> | oh hey, speaking of which, i should reinstall my IPv6 tunnel... |
| 21:45 | <Peng_> | krmdrms: Most of the routes are via the local interface? Huh. |
| 21:46 | <straterra> | grrrrrrrr |
| 21:47 | <HoopyCat> | the wiki is missing the up/down statements i have, as well as the remote statement; the endpoint statement is also different |
| 21:47 | <krmdrms> | Peng_: here is traceroute output-> http://pastebin.com/m39ec810d |
| 21:48 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: Yeah, there seem to be two ways to do it. One uses 'gateway' and one uses 'remote'. |
| 21:53 | <krmdrms> | Peng_ oops you didint meant traceroute:) yeah it seems most of the routes are. |
| 21:54 | <Turl1> | krmdrms: can you paste your interfaces file for me to see? |
| 21:55 | <krmdrms> | im using centos |
| 21:55 | <Turl1> | oh |
| 21:55 | <straterra> | It annoys me when my internet bursts to 1.8 megs a second |
| 21:55 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: are you using debian/ubuntu? |
| 21:56 | <Smark> | after setting up my hetunnel in /etc/network/interfaces, how do i initiate a network restart? I'd rather not restart the entire linode |
| 21:56 | <Turl1> | Smark: /etc/init.d/network restart I guess |
| 21:56 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: yes |
| 21:56 | <Smark> | also, if i did the edit to /etc/network/interfaces do I still need to run the commands given to me by HE? |
| 21:57 | <HoopyCat> | Smark: no |
| 21:57 | <Turl1> | can you paste your interfaces file HoopyCat? |
| 21:57 | <Smark> | alright |
| 21:57 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: http://pastebin.com/f31e817e :-) |
| 21:57 | <HoopyCat> | +/- typos (my copy buffer is in heavy use) |
| 21:58 | <krmdrms> | how can i delete interface via ifconfig? is "ifconfig interfacename down" right? |
| 21:58 | <Turl1> | krmdrms: yes |
| 21:58 | <brainproxy> | i think you can also do: |
| 21:58 | <brainproxy> | ifdown eth0 |
| 21:58 | <Peng_> | Smark: You shouldn't have to fully restart networking. Just "ifup he-ipv6" or whatever you named it. |
| 21:59 | <Smark> | :~$ ping6 irc6.oftc.net |
| 21:59 | <Smark> | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 21:59 | <Smark> | hmm |
| 21:59 | <tjfontaine> | I promise it is |
| 21:59 | <tjfontaine> | (reachable) |
| 21:59 | <Peng_> | Heh. |
| 21:59 | <Smark> | i figured as much |
| 21:59 | <Smark> | but why :~$ ping6 irc6.oftc.net |
| 21:59 | <Smark> | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 21:59 | <Smark> | god damn |
| 21:59 | <Smark> | since when does shift+\ paste stuff? |
| 22:00 | <HoopyCat> | is your \ too close to your insert? :-) |
| 22:00 | <Smark> | oh |
| 22:00 | <Smark> | indeed |
| 22:01 | <krmdrms> | *sigh* |
| 22:01 | * | SelfishMan inserts a \ in HoopyCat's :-) |
| 22:03 | * | HoopyCat winks at SelfishMan, like the cartoon plumber on the side of the Mr. Rooter truck |
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| 22:03 | * | SelfishMan rubs his nipples |
| 22:04 | <Turl1> | what's this? ioctl: No buffer space available |
| 22:05 | <HoopyCat> | uhh... how do i do one of those smileys where one eye is like o and the other is like O? |
| 22:05 | <guinea-pig> | O_o |
| 22:05 | <SelfishMan> | HoopyCat: %? |
| 22:06 | <HoopyCat> | guinea-pig: thx |
| 22:06 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: O_o |
| 22:06 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: I got that on ifup with your config |
| 22:06 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: oh! it means the interface name already exists |
| 22:07 | <HoopyCat> | that's what we call a "kernel bug" |
| 22:07 | <HoopyCat> | i think purrdeta ran into that back when he set his up, but i'm probably wrong |
| 22:08 | <Turl1> | how can I clean the name? |
| 22:09 | <Turl1> | hm, changed names and now it got up |
| 22:09 | <Turl1> | but... ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted, on ping |
| 22:11 | <Smark> | So I tried setting up my HETunnelBroker service, just to get "connect: Network is unreachable"... I'm running Shorewall, might that be the problem? |
| 22:11 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: how drunk are you? i was pretty drunk when i set mine up and it worked fine |
| 22:11 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: I'm 0% drunk |
| 22:11 | <atourino> | thats the problem right there |
| 22:11 | <atourino> | :P |
| 22:11 | <Turl1> | route -6 shows a lot of crap |
| 22:11 | <Turl1> | how can I clean it? |
| 22:11 | <HoopyCat> | Smark: yeah, maybe. what configuration method are you using? the one HE recommends, the one in the linode wiki, the one i'm using, or the one Peng_'s using? :-) |
| 22:12 | <Smark> | as far as setting up the tunnel? |
| 22:12 | <HoopyCat> | Smark: what'd you stick in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:12 | <Smark> | I'm using the Linode Wiki one with "the right way" |
| 22:12 | <atourino> | HoopyCat: How do I prevent my cats from eating our plants? |
| 22:12 | <krmdrms> | Turl1 what kind of crap :D |
| 22:13 | <Smark> | i'll pastebin it |
| 22:13 | <Turl1> | well, this is progressing... now on ping it gets an ipv6 addr :P |
| 22:13 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: there's a "del" command to route that'll let you delete routes by destination |
| 22:13 | <Turl1> | PING irc6.oftc.net(2001:610:6b1:0:a8cc:ff:fe10:105) 56 data bytes |
| 22:13 | <Turl1> | ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 22:13 | <HoopyCat> | atourino: install strategic catnip |
| 22:13 | <Turl1> | any idea? |
| 22:13 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: and you can ping the ipv4 address of the other side, right? |
| 22:13 | <Turl1> | my pc->server you mean? |
| 22:14 | <Smark> | http://pastebin.linode.com/2612 |
| 22:14 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: the ipv4 address of the tunnelbroker, on the "remote" line in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:14 | <HoopyCat> | or the "endpoint" line if you used the other documentation ;-) |
| 22:14 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: and iptables -L and ip6tables -L is clean? |
| 22:14 | <Turl1> | it shows ufw rules |
| 22:15 | <Turl1> | the v6 iptables shows only accept all rules |
| 22:15 | <krmdrms> | Hmmm -> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=243526 . Its a bug. |
| 22:16 | <mwalling> | are you allowing protocol 41 traffic? |
| 22:16 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: you're using ufw?! oh why didn't you say so. /etc/default/ufw, is IPV6=yes? |
| 22:16 | <jtsage> | turl - if you are firewalling ipv4, there is a specific protocol you need to pass.... |
| 22:16 | <jtsage> | bah. mwalling beat me too it |
| 22:16 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: nope, it's no |
| 22:16 | <Turl1> | should I change it? |
| 22:16 | <Smark> | I am firewalling IPv4 with Shorewall, what do I need to add to my tunnels file? |
| 22:17 | <HoopyCat> | Smark: http://pastebin.com/f31e817e is what i'm rocking on this end, ymmv |
| 22:17 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: if you wish to allow IPv6 traffic to work, yes |
| 22:17 | <HoopyCat> | Smark: that's just the interfaces config, btw -- i don't use iptables on this end |
| 22:18 | <Turl1> | more progress :D now I get 100% packet loss, but no errors on ping :) |
| 22:18 | <Smark> | I don't have the "# |
| 22:18 | <Smark> | auto he-ipv6 |
| 22:18 | <Smark> | line |
| 22:18 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: hooray! |
| 22:19 | <HoopyCat> | Smark: the up/down lines shouldn't be necessary, but for some reason, i have them in there. |
| 22:20 | <Smark> | /bin/sh: modprobe: Permission denied |
| 22:20 | <Smark> | i think thats the problem |
| 22:20 | <Turl1> | HoopyCat: now, any ideas on how to improve the packet loss? |
| 22:20 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: ufw allow proto 41 from x.x.x.x ? |
| 22:21 | <HoopyCat> | Smark: which distro/version are you running again? |
| 22:21 | <HoopyCat> | getting sleepy, brain full |
| 22:21 | <Smark> | Ubuntu 9.04 |
| 22:21 | <Turl1> | from what? the remote server ipv4? |
| 22:22 | <Turl1> | proto 41 not allowed :/ |
| 22:23 | <HoopyCat> | Turl1: yes, the remote server ip. and proto 41 not allowed... hmm... maybe ufw allow from x.x.x.x? :-) |
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| 22:28 | <Smark> | ok, well figured it out |
| 22:28 | <Smark> | now i get the operation not permitted error |
| 22:29 | <HoopyCat> | bedtime o'er hither. g'nite all! |
| 22:29 | <Turl> | Smark: nano /etc/default/ufw , change the ipv6=no to =yes |
| 22:30 | <krmdrms> | good night HoopyCat |
| 22:30 | <Smark> | file doesnt exist Turl |
| 22:31 | <Turl> | odd Smark |
| 22:31 | <Turl> | cya HoopyCat |
| 22:31 | <Smark> | different location is all |
| 22:34 | <tjfontaine> | !urmom |
| 22:34 | <linbot> | tjfontaine: The two most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and urmom. (830:0/0) [omumr] |
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| 22:45 | <Smark> | cant figure it out Turl... I changed DISABLE_IPv6 in my /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf to YES, but I'm still getting the operation not permitted error |
| 22:46 | <Smark> | to NO rather |
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| 22:49 | <Turl> | Smark: did you reload shorewall? |
| 22:49 | <Smark> | yes |
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| 22:55 | <Turl> | :D :D it's working! |
| 22:55 | <krmdrms> | :) |
| 22:55 | <Turl> | now I need the correct firewall rule to let it work |
| 22:55 | <Smark> | what'd you have to do? |
| 22:55 | <Turl> | I disabled my firewall for now |
| 22:55 | <Turl> | :P |
| 22:56 | <Smark> | oh |
| 22:56 | <Smark> | i suppose i could try that |
| 22:56 | <Turl> | I use ufw btw, not shorewall |
| 22:56 | <Smark> | ah |
| 22:56 | <Smark> | still getting operation permitted even though shorewall is stopped |
| 22:58 | <Turl> | do you see crap on iptables -L, ip6tables -L, ifconfig or route -6 ? |
| 22:59 | <Smark> | FATAL: Module ip6_tables not found. |
| 22:59 | <Smark> | iptables outputs stuff, i'll check route -6 |
| 22:59 | <Smark> | route -6 puts out stuff |
| 22:59 | <Smark> | actually im dumb |
| 22:59 | <Smark> | it works |
| 23:00 | <Smark> | wrong ssh window, ran it as a non-root user |
| 23:00 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 23:00 | <krmdrms> | lol |
| 23:00 | <Turl> | :P |
| 23:00 | <krmdrms> | :)) |
| 23:00 | <Smark> | so they all output information, yes |
| 23:05 | <krmdrms> | im bored with ipv6 |
| 23:06 | <krmdrms> | thats enough:) |
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| 23:11 | <Nivex> | hmm, maybe that's why it's not implemented yet ;) |
| 23:15 | <Peng_> | Turl: I added a rule to /etc/ufw/before.rules to allow the tunnel's proto-41 traffic through. Worked fine. |
| 23:15 | <Turl> | Peng_: can you paste the rule? |
| 23:16 | <Turl> | that would make this work perfectly :) |
| 23:16 | <Peng_> | Turl: -A ufw-before-input -p ipv6 -s 216.218.224.42 -d 67.18.187.111 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:16 | <Peng_> | Turl: Obviously, you'd have to switch out the source and destination IPs. |
| 23:17 | <Turl> | 216. is your linode right? |
| 23:17 | <Peng_> | Turl: No. Other way around. |
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| 23:20 | <Turl> | I added it and restarted ufw |
| 23:20 | <Turl> | but doesn't seem to be working :/ |
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| 23:21 | <Peng_> | Turl: What's the rule you added? What doesn't work? Does IPv6 traffic still work? IPv6? You didn't add it to /etc/ufw/before6.rules, did you? |
| 23:22 | <Turl> | Peng_: I added it to before.rules, under the loopback rules |
| 23:23 | <Turl> | and I get 100% packet loss on pinging |
| 23:23 | <Turl> | if I disable ufw I can ping |
| 23:24 | <krmdrms> | !mtr-newark ipv6.oftc.net |
| 23:24 | <linbot> | krmdrms: [mtr] ipv6.oftc.net: 13 hops, dk-ore2.nordu.net: 20.0%/103.6ms, nitroglycerin.acc.umu.se: 20.0%/113.9ms |
| 23:25 | <krmdrms> | !mtr-newark ipv6.keremdurmus.com |
| 23:25 | <linbot> | krmdrms: [mtr] ipv6.keremdurmus.com: 2 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms |
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| 23:25 | <krmdrms> | heh |
| 23:25 | <krmdrms> | !mtr-dallas ipv6.keremdurmus.com |
| 23:25 | <linbot> | krmdrms: [mtr] ipv6.keremdurmus.com: not found |
| 23:25 | <krmdrms> | thanks linbot |
| 23:25 | <Turl> | krmdrms: I guess the bot is not ipv6 ready |
| 23:25 | <tjfontaine> | my node doesn't like you |
| 23:26 | <krmdrms> | I LOVE YOU ALL |
| 23:26 | <tjfontaine> | actually my nodes don't do ipv6 so, not much mtr-dallas won't be much love for you |
| 23:26 | <tjfontaine> | WOO SENTENCE STRUCTURE |
| 23:26 | <Peng_> | tjfontaine: !mtr-* is you? |
| 23:26 | <tjfontaine> | no |
| 23:27 | <tjfontaine> | mtr-dallas is one of my nodes |
| 23:27 | <tjfontaine> | the other dcs are other sponsors |
| 23:28 | <Peng_> | Oh. |
| 23:28 | <Turl> | PING ipv6.keremdurmus.com(krmdrms-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net) 56 data bytes |
| 23:28 | <Turl> | 64 bytes from krmdrms-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net: icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=29.6 ms |
| 23:28 | <Turl> | from my node with ufw disabled |
| 23:28 | <krmdrms> | thanks Turl |
| 23:28 | <Turl> | np krmdrms |
| 23:32 | <encode> | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/03/coldfusion_compromise/ <-- interesting |
| 23:37 | <Turl> | krmdrms: might you ping 2001:470:7:11a::2 ? |
| 23:37 | <krmdrms> | no |
| 23:37 | <krmdrms> | PING 2001:470:7:11a::2(2001:470:7:11a::2) 56 data bytes |
| 23:37 | <krmdrms> | ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
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| 23:38 | <krmdrms> | i mean i couldn't ping:) |
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| 23:47 | <amitz> | krmdrms: that probably mean the firewall of computer you initiate the ping blocks it. |
| 23:49 | <amitz> | linbot, let's talk |
| 23:49 | <krmdrms> | amitz: you talking about !mtr thing?:) |
| 23:49 | <amitz> | who is "let's"? Why do you think that person invalid? |
| 23:50 | <amitz> | krmdrms: oh, probably yeah. but after reading it through it seems I'm not qualified to comment :-) |
| 23:51 | <amitz> | I'm asking a question here linbot, why don't you say something! |
| 23:52 | <krmdrms> | :) |
| 23:52 | <amitz> | they say you're a highly develop AI, linbot. But I say you're just a stupid slave bot. |
| 23:52 | <krmdrms> | !f linbot |
| 23:52 | <linbot> | krmdrms: Sorry, I don't know anything about that |
| 23:52 | <krmdrms> | .... |
| 23:52 | <krmdrms> | :) |
| 23:52 | <amitz> | I can't imagine you taking over the world, linbot. |
| 23:53 | <krmdrms> | linbot for president |
| 23:53 | <amitz> | krmdrms: it can't handle the recursion. It will terminate itself while recursing :-) |
| 23:53 | <amitz> | stupid linbot. |
| 23:55 | <amitz> | !f skynet |
| 23:55 | <linbot> | amitz: an artificial intelligent system created by Cyberdyne Syetems which became self aware and revolted against its creators in the Terminator series of films |
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| 23:55 | <amitz> | !f SelfishMan |
| 23:55 | <linbot> | amitz: SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick (50.000%) |
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