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#linode IRC Logs for 2009-07-29

---Logopened Wed Jul 29 00:00:45 2009
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01:12<amitz>I wonder if asterisk has something to with asterisk and obelisk..
01:16<amitz>ah, different spelling
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01:29<fnord185>Just got my first linode! :)
01:30<fnord185>If I leave the default DCHP configuration, can I rely on the eth0: IP address not changing, or will it change from time to time?
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01:30<bob2>erm, it won't change
01:31<fnord185>It won't
01:31<fnord185>That makes it easy.
01:31<amitz>interesting, the proper spelling is actually asterisk (of asterisk and obelisk) instead of asterix.
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01:33<SelfishMan>!f dhcp
01:33<linbot>SelfishMan: Your node is configured to use DHCP to make deployment easier. The IP that is assigned is static and you are free to configure your node to use a static config instead of DHCP. All info you need is available on the network tab for that Linode.
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01:39<amitz>SelfishMan: the trigger may be short but the explanation is long ;-)
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02:03<Dreamr_3>how do i migrate my linode to another dc?
02:03<Dreamr_3>do i have to file a special ticket for that?
02:06<SelfishMan>!f migrate
02:06<linbot>SelfishMan: Linodes can be migrated between datacenters by simply opening a ticket. Your disk images will be copied intact, but you will be issued a new IP address. Once a migration is configured, it makes a button on the dashboard available for you to start the migration yourself. Migration typically takes about 1-3 minutes per GB.
02:09<Dreamr_3>request put in!
02:10<bob2>I think the transfer rate is slower than that
02:10<Dreamr_3>i only have 14gig
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02:18<SelfishMan>Dreamr_3: The transfer rate is right around 35Mbps. I recommend shrinking your images before transferring and deleting the swap file
02:19<SelfishMan>Deleting the swap isn't critical but saves a bit of time
02:19<SelfishMan>bob2: That response is from the staff after a transfer is requested
02:20<bob2>oh, ok
02:20<Dreamr_3>SelfishMan: i might do that
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02:20<Dreamr_3>thanks for the suggestion
02:20<Dreamr_3>not in a big hurry though
02:21<Dreamr_3>no response on the ticket yet
02:21<Dreamr_3>must be slow tonight
02:22<SelfishMan>it is outside of normal business hours so they may not respond for a few hours unless it is a priority ticket
02:23<Dreamr_3>make sense
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02:39<@pparadis>Dreamr_3: pm
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03:54*amitz sits comfortably in his dc.
03:55*amitz should use his vps more..
04:04*praetorian sits comfortably in his laptop
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04:10<amitz>praetorian: that's as if I'm talking to the senior version of you..
04:12*amitz is thinking of a unique website of similar uselessness like !fail or !summer.
04:20<amitz>SpaceHobo: That site... now whenever I see summer glau, I see her on stick. Thanks to that website.
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04:21<amitz>I'm not aware of that particular fetish of god.
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04:22<amitz>SpaceHobo: you must be very religious.
04:23<amitz>such intimate knowledge of god.
04:25*amitz fears he will offend some people if he retorts back :-p
04:27<Dreamr_3>i'm in dallas now :)
04:28<npmr>i don't think i've ever heard anyone describe the state of "being in dallas" as "sweet" before
04:28<Dreamr_3>the API that the whole app uses is in dallas
04:28<Dreamr_3>50ms savings per request
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04:54<tonibergholm>I have problem logging into member pages... ERROR I get: "Cookies not enabled, or a general error occurred." It does not matter which browser do I use or is the cookies enables or not
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04:56<kiasyn>is the linode customer panel down? i can't login
04:57<kiasyn>which has the side effect of not being able to make a ticket :P
05:02<tonibergholm>same problem here
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05:02<kiasyn>hopefully they know about it then :P
05:04<kiasyn>this is a pain.. cant edit dns :\
05:04<Smark>Cookies not enabled, or a general error occurred.
05:04<Smark>caker, irgeek, jed, mikegrb, pparadis, tasaro, tychoish
05:05<Smark>(hoping to set off a highlight)
05:05<kiasyn>fingers crossed
05:05<kiasyn>i'd call but can't afford the international call
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05:07<Smark>i'll try and call
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05:08<Athenon>im pretty sure i have cookies enabled but it wont let me login to my account citing the cookie error -_-
05:08<kiasyn>its happening to veryone
05:08<Rhuarc>me too :(
05:08<kiasyn>Smark is trying to call them now
05:09<Athenon>oh ok
05:09<Athenon>at least its not just me
05:09<Rhuarc>panel demands cookies but i want it to eat vegetables first
05:09<Athenon>usually when i have a problem big enough to come here, it's not my fault, so ;P
05:10<Smark>just called
05:10<Smark>no one picked up
05:10<Smark>left a message
05:10<kiasyn>hope they're not all asleep
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05:12<Rhuarc>what time is it in the US here its 11:11 in the morning
05:13<Athenon>LLMP > LAMP :P
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05:13<Athenon>apache isn't exactly ram friendly -_-
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05:13<kiasyn>ive been meaning to change from apache but am too lazy to look into alternatives :P
05:13<Rhuarc>i have lighttpd
05:14<kiasyn>easy to use?
05:14<wickachan>Hi Tom.
05:14<wickachan>I cannot login into Linode Manager.
05:14<Rhuarc>easy after trial and error
05:14<Athenon>lighttpd is what i use, yep
05:15<kiasyn>wickachan: no one can.
05:15<rainman`>lighttpd \o/
05:15<wickachan>I see..
05:15<rainman`>lighttpd vs nginx is like python vs ruby
05:16<rainman`>lighttpd is pretty too, but then also actually usable
05:18<Athenon>yeah. once you get used to lightty its really not bad at all
05:18<Athenon>and its much much much much lighter weight on ram
05:18<Athenon>and it does just about as much
05:18*encode wonders what version of BIND linode uses
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05:20<kiasyn>the green one
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05:23<rainman`>version.bind. 0 CH TXT "9.4.2"
05:24<rainman`>version.bind. 0 CH TXT "9.3.2-P2.1"
05:24<rainman`>2x 9.4.2, 4x 9.3.2...
05:25<rainman`>so yes, probably vulnerable :)
05:26<Smark>caker, irgeek, jed, mikegrb, pparadis, tasaro, tychoish
05:27<Smark>(trying to set off a highlight again)
05:27<rainman`>are they not picking up the phone?
05:27<Smark>i tried calling
05:27<Smark>and it said that everyone was currently busy
05:27<kiasyn>its 5:30am for all of them
05:27<Smark>which i think may just mean that no one is there
05:27<kiasyn>except irgeek, who its 3:30am
05:27<chequers>one of them should be on call
05:27<Smark>I left a message though
05:28<kiasyn>yeah really
05:28<chequers>the catch is... how do we get to them
05:28<kiasyn>Administrative Contact:
05:28<kiasyn>call this dude?
05:28<kiasyn>707 White Horse Pike, Suite E-1
05:28<kiasyn>Absecon, NJ 08201
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05:29<chequers>I'd assume it's their office number
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05:29<Smark>it is
05:29<Smark>Phone: (609) 593-7103
05:29<kiasyn>would be funny if it was a personal number
05:29<Smark>and address
05:29<Rhuarc>and call dominos?
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05:30<Rhuarc>i'm sure if the services are out of order it will trigger some alarm?
05:30<chequers>tychoish: comment on linode library: how do we tell you about problems with content?
05:31<kiasyn>irony: 'if you have an urgent support issue, you should submit a ticket'
05:31<kiasyn>obviously something big has failed somewhere :P
05:31<kiasyn>i suggest ddosing their servers from the inside and raising an alarm! :P
05:31<kiasyn>(not seriously)
05:31<Rhuarc>so there will be a spot open on the linode team??? :p
05:31<kiasyn>there is..
05:31<kuchin>anyone has problems accessing linode account? i'm getting "Cookies not enabled, or a general error occurred.", my cookies are enabled and tried on 2 different browsers
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05:32<Rhuarc>everyone kuchin
05:32<Smark>Rhuarc, i doubt something like LPM login has an alarm
05:32<Smark>though i know all the hosts do
05:32<Rhuarc>wishful thinking perhaps
05:32<kiasyn>just guessing, but i think their sql server has blown up
05:33<Rhuarc>no it would display a connection error
05:33<kuchin>Rhuarc, thanks
05:33<kiasyn>i dont mean shutdown :P
05:33<kiasyn>blownup but still running :p
05:34<Rhuarc>maybe its al-Qaeda
05:34<Clorith>crazy question, is anyone else unable to login on the linode manager?
05:34<chequers>just everyone
05:34<Rhuarc>clorith yep
05:34<Clorith>ahh, ok
05:35<kiasyn>man, i just recommended linode to someone too
05:35<amitz>Rhuarc: it takes great will power to keep running when you're already blown up :-p
05:35<kiasyn>a lolbot
05:36<Rhuarc>why no more mmm cake
05:36<kiasyn>call their fax number :P
05:36<kiasyn>send them a fax
05:36<kiasyn>COME 2 IRC
05:36<Rhuarc>its 5 in the morning there nice time to get up
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05:37<kiasyn>i typed their number into my phone and my phone crashed.. :(
05:37<Rhuarc>i wish i could call them but its not possible on my mobile
05:37<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
05:37<Smark>people still use slackware?
05:38<Smark>god i could go for some cake right nw
05:38<kiasyn>i tried guessing extensions
05:38<Smark>do you like cake mike?
05:38<kiasyn>and it got angry at me
05:38<kiasyn>and was like bye!
05:38<Rhuarc>mike stopped eating cake??
05:39<Rhuarc>something is very wrong :p
05:40<Smark>caker, irgeek, jed, mikegrb, pparadis, tasaro, tychoish
05:40<kiasyn>hm, i regret doing that
05:41<Smark>OH GOD
05:41<Smark>it took out the space
05:41<Smark>i meant to send it as text
05:41<Smark>sorry, everyonw
05:42<chequers>oh my god a ctcp ping
05:43<kiasyn>(21:42:58)  (ø) Reply: [finger] from euphorik : [ none (none) Idle 123734 seconds (YOU FINGER ME? I FINGER YOUR SISTER.) ]
05:45<Rhuarc>on mine it says a lucky plouf's IRC user whatever that means
05:45<kiasyn>i called their fax and made faxy noises, hopefully it works
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05:46<Smark>i'll send them a fax
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05:47*encode rings caker's mom to let her know
05:47<kiasyn>i sent them a fax with faxzero? :P
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05:50<kiasyn>oh hey
05:50<kiasyn>it has a different error now
05:50<kiasyn>well thats good
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05:51<Shinsaku>Anyone got 'Cookies not enabled, or a general error occurred.' when logging?
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05:51<kiasyn>everyone does
05:51<reverett>I did
05:51<ohttoh>Cookies not enabled, or a general error occurred.
05:51<reverett>aha, so its everyone, well then
05:51<reverett>they must be working on it
05:51<Smark>kiasyn, where do you see that?
05:51<kiasyn>when i try to login now
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05:52<ohttoh>damn, even my error message is outdated! :p
05:52<Smark>mine still says cookie error
05:52<Smark>oh well, they know i guess
05:53<Smark>love the icon
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05:56<Smark>×02:56:01AM× [Deckert PING reply]: 14mins 57secs
05:56<Smark>cool beans
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05:58<Shinsaku>plz fix fst tht err
05:59<Shinsaku>omg nvm
05:59<Rhuarc>Our development team has been alerted to this error. If you continue to have problems please contact support.
06:00<amitz>the texts in #linode read like sms :-)
06:00<Rhuarc>alerted how?
06:00<kiasyn>somewhere in the linode office
06:00<kiasyn>a red LED has turned on
06:00<kiasyn>scaring the spiders
06:01<kiasyn>because i think they've developped a fully automated system, and dont turn up to work anymore :p
06:01<petelewis>Hi there, I just popped in to say that I can't log in to the website / dashboard
06:01<petelewis>it's saying "Cookies not enabled, or a general error occurred. "
06:02<kiasyn>happening to everyone
06:02<petelewis>have tried with two different browsers
06:02<petelewis>ah, okay
06:02<kiasyn>we've tried to alert them every way possible :P
06:02<petelewis>thanks, so long as someone's on to it...
06:03<kiasyn>linode, im ready to accept my commission :P
06:04<Rhuarc>have shutdown one of my linode's last night because i was testing something
06:04<Rhuarc>so its bad
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06:09<Shinsaku>i hate to wait
06:09<kiasyn>yeah its holding me up to
06:09<kiasyn>i'd love to send them an invoice ;)
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06:11<Keverw>Hello. Can anyone login to there linode panel?
06:12<kiasyn>everyone is locked out atm
06:12<kiasyn>we have tried calling, faxing, emailing and here :P
06:12<kiasyn>cant get in contact
06:12<kiasyn>caker irgeek jed mikegrb pparadis tasaro tychoish
06:12<Keverw>o okay,Not just me then ;)
06:13<Clorith>they've been alerted
06:13<Clorith>I bet nagio is going nuts on their asses :P
06:13<Keverw>I didnt really need in it righ now. I check my linode just like my email...
06:13<Clorith>I got a nice new error page, so I guess they might be working on it ^-^
06:14<kiasyn>ive been getting that for ages :P
06:14<kiasyn>(22:14:01)  (ø) Reply: [ping] from Deckert : [ 17mins 6secs ]
06:14<Clorith>I just got it
06:14<kiasyn>rofl, awesome
06:14<Keverw>All i get is "Cookies not enabled, or a general error occurred." for like ages also
06:15<kiasyn>try a force refresh
06:15<Keverw> still like that
06:16<kiasyn>oh well
06:16<Keverw>shift refesh
06:16<kiasyn>the other error is
06:17<Keverw>O okay. It looks like that picture is already loged in
06:17<kiasyn>yeah, but its not
06:19<Shinsaku>im getting angry GRRR
06:20<Keverw>This is the 1st time messed up for me snice i been with them.
06:20-!-Smark is now known as Smark[Gone]
06:20<Keverw>I wonder if there adding more stuff or would they posted somthing?
06:21<kiasyn>they messed up the last time i tried to sign up with them
06:21<kiasyn>and i ended up going with someone else
06:21<kiasyn>this is my first month with them and they have messed up again
06:21<kiasyn>last time i was trying to signup but did not have a state (as i am outside of the US) and it took them days to get back to my ticket
06:21<Keverw>this is like my 3rd month
06:22<kiasyn>caker irgeek jed mikegrb pparadis tasaro tychoish
06:23<Keverw>Why are you saying all there names?
06:24<kiasyn>trying to set off a highlight
06:24<kiasyn>(beeps them)
06:24<Keverw>And arent most people in bed in the us right now???
06:24<kiasyn>its 6am for most of them
06:24<Keverw>I'm in the Us and i dont sleep a lot.
06:24<Keverw>Its 6:24 Am for me... Linode must be east coast.
06:25<Shinsaku>Linode, LLC
06:25<Shinsaku>707 White Horse Pike, Suite E-1
06:25<Shinsaku>Absecon, NJ 08201
06:25<kiasyn>someone go knock on their door
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06:25<kiasyn>failing that, break in and steal stuff, they're obviously not there :P
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06:26<Keverw>Do people who work for linode work at home or at a office?
06:26<Clorith>they have a rather nice office
06:26<Shinsaku>both i believe
06:26<Keverw>I wonder how nice.
06:27<Keverw>I think my office is the best one out there!
06:27<Keverw>That would be my basement!
06:27<gl818>Is it something wrong with the, I can not loign to it and get the following error: Cookies not enabled, or a general error occurred.
06:27<kiasyn>ts happening to everyone
06:28<Keverw>I get that also
06:28<Shinsaku>welcome to da club
06:28<gl818>any idea, what has happening??
06:28<kiasyn>have tried calling faxing emailing and general annoyance ;P
06:28<Rhuarc>lol nice office
06:28<Keverw>I know!
06:29<Keverw>We call them at home,not the office.
06:29<Keverw>That will get them!
06:29<encode>Keverw: i already called caker's mom. She wasn't at home
06:29<gl818>so there is no way I login to it and do some DNS stuff ??
06:30<encode>gl818: not currently
06:31<Keverw>If your in the UK that must cost a lot to call or fax the us
06:31<kiasyn>you think thats bad, i have to worry about my linode being automatically canceled cause i have to pay the bill..
06:31<gl818>I hope they will fix that soon, since I need to park my client domain name to linode !!
06:31<Keverw>We're sorry, but an error has occurred... i'm getting now
06:31<Shinsaku>some improvement
06:32<Rhuarc>send a ticket :p
06:33<Rhuarc>i know
06:34<Keverw>36% of deployments are Ubuntu Ubuntu Ftw!!!
06:35<Shinsaku>we should get some free cookies for that waiting
06:35<amitz>yeah, I should set my linode small enough so that everything is run from RAM..
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06:35<Keverw>I want free cookies!
06:36<Keverw>I want M&M cookies!
06:36<Shinsaku>i want some japanese cookies
06:37<kiasyn>i want a linode 2880 ;)
06:37<Keverw>Your making me hungry now.
06:37<Keverw>I want a Linode 9000000000
06:37<Shinsaku>ill have pizza in like 15 minutes now
06:38<kiasyn>i have pizza in the fridge
06:38<kiasyn>btu i dont own a microwave |:
06:38<Keverw>IS SpaceHobo a bot?
06:38<Keverw>I want a Linode 900000000000000000
06:38<kiasyn>caker irgeek jed mikegrb pparadis tasaro tychoish
06:38<Keverw>or it could be a human....
06:39<Keverw>Whats the finger button do??? I did not do anythingfor me
06:41<Keverw>I dislike people who has to pick out every thing in english...
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06:42<Shinsaku>YEAH I CAN LOGIN!!!!!
06:42<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
06:42<kiasyn>we should all while ( fork() );
06:43<_lunix_>is it just logins broken ? caus emy node is missing too
06:44<Shinsaku>my linode is working (apache/bind)
06:45<Keverw>My linode is runing,Just cant login still.
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06:46<BarkerJr>login seems to be down
06:46<kiasyn>its down for everyone
06:46<kiasyn>has been for couple of hours now
06:46<BarkerJr>well, it's only been down for me since I woke up :)
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06:47<kiasyn>caker irgeek jed mikegrb pparadis tasaro tychoish
06:47<BarkerJr>so I think we should run fiber from fremont to dallas and link private networks
06:48<BarkerJr>it's not that far away
06:48<Keverw>What for?
06:48<r3d>Is there something wrong with the login serers?
06:48<kiasyn>login is down for everyone
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06:49<BarkerJr>then I could have HA between data centres :)
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06:49<r3d>thats what i thought... I guess i should of checked before i restarted firefox 34536456 times and cleared the cookies about twice as much
06:49<Guest792>morning anybody having issues logging into their account on
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06:50<kiasyn>Guest792: everyone is
06:50<BarkerJr>it is unfortunate that the error tells you to clear your cookies
06:50<Guest792>ok, just wanted to confirm it wasn't me being pre-coffee stupid
06:50<kiasyn>i didnt bother clearing my cookies, i just swapped browsers :P
06:50<adeptcluster>so everyone's locked out?
06:50<kiasyn>i never use ie, so no cookies
06:50<Guest792>same here :)
06:50<kiasyn>adeptcluster: yes
06:50<Yaakov>It doesn't tell you to clear cookies.
06:50<BarkerJr>close enough
06:50<Yaakov>kiasyn: Cookies are not an Internet Explorer specific feature.
06:51<Keverw>I use chrome
06:51<kiasyn>Yaakov: i know, but presuming a cookie problem in my primary browser, swapping a browser rather than wasting time clearing cookies, etc is quicker
06:51<kiasyn>especially just to test
06:51<Guest792>of course, this also happens to occur when my linode decides to go off the air too :(
06:51<Yaakov>It didn't say to clear them, it says they may not be *enabled*.
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06:52<kiasyn>either way, cookie settings between firefox and IE are completely different blka bla bla
06:52<Yaakov>Guest792: This is just a web infrastructure hiccough. It will be cleared up before the first cup of coffee.
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06:52<BarkerJr>yeah, but clearing cookies is step 2 in troubleshooting cookies not functioning :)
06:52<kiasyn>Yaakov: are you linode staff?
06:53<Guest792>oh yeah, no worries, I just need to get in to reboot my linode, it's extra hozed this morning
06:53<Yaakov>kiasyn: No, but I have an inkling concerning the source of the problem.
06:53<Guest792>(and no, I can't ssh in to reboot it in case that was anybodies next comment) :)
06:53<kiasyn>it has been going on for at least 2 hours now btw :P
06:53<Yaakov>kiasyn: caker will fix it posthaste.
06:53<Yaakov>Yes, because Linode staff are asleep.
06:53<Guest792>no worries
06:54<Yaakov>As soon as they regain consciousness, they'll get it.
06:54<BarkerJr>I love that word: posthaste
06:54<Guest792>alright, thanks for the heads up off to obtain that first blessed cup of caffeine
06:54<kiasyn>Guest792: employ a bug in your outdated kernal to crash the system :P
06:54<Yaakov>Guest792: Use LISH.
06:55<BarkerJr>I am in awe of your grasp of the englush language. you must be a reader, Yaakov
06:55<Yaakov>BarkerJr: I read, and write.
06:55<Guest792>Yaakov: I don't even know the dns entry to ssh into the lish console for my node...I always just use the ajax one :(
06:56<Yaakov>Guest792: Do you know your Linode ID?
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06:56<Shinsaku>When linode staff will wakeup?-.-
06:56<rainman`>why can noone reach them by phone?
06:56<kiasyn>apparently no one is on call
06:57<Yaakov>BarkerJr: if you have an interest.
06:57<Guest792>Yaakov: Negative
06:57<Yaakov>rainman`: A ticket pages people.
06:57<Yaakov>rainman`: But no one is in the office yet.
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06:58<Yaakov>One or two hours for someone in the office.
06:58<kever>back. Chrome crashed.
06:58<kever>So i'm on mric now
06:58<rainman`>but, i thought there was 24/7 support
06:58*rainman` would like to see an explanation for this, or will leave
06:59<Yaakov>rainman`: There is. Unfortunately, the ticket system is what is broken.
06:59<Yaakov>rainman`: You can also be sure that caker will make sure this can't happen again.
06:59<rainman`>but then someone should respond on the phone number
06:59<adeptcluster>I signed up for Linode yesterday. This isn't very promising. :(
07:00<Yaakov>adeptcluster: This is VERY unusual.
07:00<kever>Why would you need to contact them???
07:00<kiasyn>its not that unusual..
07:00<bob2>most accounts are activated instantly
07:00<kiasyn>i had problems with them last time i tried to sign up as well
07:00<kever>I been with them for almost 4 mouths and never had to.
07:01<adeptcluster>My account was activated instantly and had no problems on that front.
07:01<Guest792>I've been with linode for 2 years now and this is definitely not a usual occurance
07:01<kever>With a Linode or Vps your basicly on your own right?
07:02<kever>The only reason you should contact them is for billing,Hardware or issues with there site.... I think thats what there here for only...
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07:02<kever>I think i'm right.
07:02<bob2>here is largely community support
07:02<@mikegrb>mmm cake
07:02<bob2>well, by volume it is "mmm cake" and urmom jokes
07:03<kever>How come some people are
07:03<bob2>but aside from that
07:03<kiasyn>they are using the cgi irc client
07:03<kiasyn>i believe
07:03<rainman`>kiasyn, you'd need to contact them if their network breaks
07:03<rainman`>er, kever
07:03<kiasyn>lol, that confused me
07:03<kiasyn>i thought i said something :P
07:03<rainman`>so, they should respond on their phone number
07:04<kever>there most liky sleeping... I think think Linode has a call center.
07:04<kever>I dont think*
07:04<kiasyn>they should really have one |:
07:05<Yaakov>If thenetwork breaks they are all paged.
07:05<kiasyn>Yaakov: obviously an automated system can break
07:05<kiasyn>ie, a manual override is necessary
07:05<kiasyn>what if the pager goes down?
07:05<Yaakov>That system is redundant.
07:05<Yaakov>This one is not (yet).
07:06<Yaakov>I guarantee that it WILL be.
07:06<Yaakov>This is not the kind of failure Chris will take lightly.
07:06<linbot>New news from forums: Can't login to Linode Manager in /dev/random <>
07:07<gpd>anyone happen to know a fix for backspace key in ajaxterm in Google Chrome? closes tab!
07:08<kiasyn>what gets me is this error:
07:08<kiasyn>which clearly states they have been alerted, yet obviously they have not
07:08<rainman`>dev team only works business hours i'd guess
07:08<Yaakov>kiasyn: Not paged.
07:09<kiasyn>alert - alarm: warn or arouse to a sense of danger or call to a state of preparedness; "The empty house alarmed him"; "We alerted the new neighbors to the high rate of burglaries"
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07:09<bob2>did someone file a support ticket?
07:10<Yaakov>kiasyn: One can be alerted by email.
07:10<kiasyn>you are most irritating :/
07:10<kiasyn>althoguh i understand it is not intentional on your part
07:10<Yaakov>Sorry for that.
07:10<adeptcluster>Anyone know of a good place to get quality business cards?
07:10<kiasyn>adeptcluster: yeah... in new zealand :P
07:11<bob2>adeptcluster: click business cards are nice in .au
07:11<bob2>moocards are international, if they count
07:11<adeptcluster>I guess I should specify I am in the US. lol
07:11*kiasyn grin
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07:12<jylan>ok so I'm trying to log in to the Linode DNS manager, but it's coming up with some sort of cookie error. Is this the problem everyone else is having too?
07:12<adeptcluster>$21.99 per 50 is a little outrageous though on
07:12<Yaakov>jylan: It is an ongoing issue.
07:12<jylan>hmm ok
07:13<Yaakov>jylan: As it is morning in Linode-land, it should be cleared soon.
07:13<jylan>and the employees haven't got to work yet :D
07:13<Rhuarc>first coffee and donuts
07:13<kiasyn>what time do they start?
07:13<@irgeek>I'm looking at the bug. Not certain what it is yet, but hold tight...
07:13<Yaakov>err.. NOW
07:14<kiasyn>irgeek stands alone, even though its even earlier(?) for him :P
07:14<jylan>Thanks irgeek :)
07:14<Yaakov>BarkerJr: Did you look at the blog?
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07:16<Kerem>cookie eerrorrrrr
07:17<BarkerJr>hey, you have a linode button :)
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07:18<adeptcluster>Cookie monster got on the server.
07:18<Yaakov>Of course, and a post further down the page.
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07:19<_lunix_>could you please update your twitter account with details of this outage...?
07:19<derek>manager console down again ?
07:19<Yaakov>derek: Being fixed now.
07:20<derek>Yaakov: IC thx
07:20<BarkerJr>nice :)
07:20<_lunix_>yehaaaa !!!!
07:20<_lunix_>it worked !
07:20<kever>I can login!
07:20<BarkerJr>I'll take a look later... gotta leave in likr 5mins
07:21<derek>well i am still unable login
07:21<encode>yay irgeek
07:21<Yaakov>derek: It's fixed, restart your browser.
07:21<Yaakov>BarkerJr: OK.
07:21<Yaakov>BarkerJr: Quite a bit of blarf there, if you like blarf you are all set.
07:21<derek>Yaakov: actually i just boot my OS :)
07:21<@irgeek>Apparently I can't type.
07:21<kever>irgeek saves the day!
07:22<BarkerJr>well, at least you don't like post 20 posts a day :)
07:22<Yaakov>BarkerJr: No, that I don't.
07:22<Rhuarc>working :)
07:22<Rhuarc>gj irgeek thx!
07:22<derek>Yaakov: OK , really working now haha thx
07:22<@irgeek>I tried the same password 10 times and it wouldn't work. I finally called caker to ask if he'd changed it and it worked the first time for him.
07:22<Yaakov>I tend to write long winded and esoteric essays, or pithy aphorisms.
07:23<_lunix_>it would have been nice if this was announced on twitter... save me having to come to puter and login to irc etc
07:23<Yaakov>(And an occasional traditional bloggy type thing.)
07:23<BarkerJr>how do you change from monthly to yearly?
07:23<Yaakov>irgeek: You weren't hired for your typing skills.
07:24<@irgeek>BarkerJr: Ticket.
07:24<Yaakov>irgeek: You were hired for your willingness to be shot repeatedly with a paintball gun in the interview.
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07:28<G>irgeek: haha
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07:30<G>irgeek: I know the feeling though :)
07:30<kever>how did linode get a nice phone system?
07:30<Yaakov>Well, time for ME to get to the office. Of course, MY systems are still running... so far as I know...
07:30<kever>o they run that with some cool software?
07:31<rainman`>i hear there's this great software called hypervm
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07:31<@irgeek>kever: The office phone system? That's asterisk.
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07:31<encode>rainman`: you mean the software that used GPL code?
07:31<Yaakov>irgeek: Thanks.
07:31<kever>I have no idea how to run asterisk.
07:31<rainman`>encode, no, i mean the one with the enourmous security holes that wiped out an entire VPS provider
07:32<encode>rainman`: *shrug*. I was (not at all) close
07:33<gpd>any idea where would be coming from? not in my bind config?
07:33<sdague>anyone else noticing outages in newark?
07:33<G>irgeek: so do you guys run that within a linode? ;)
07:33<@irgeek>It's actually possible, but we've got it running on an old host in the office.
07:34<kiasyn>irgeek: obviously steps will be taken to prevent this reoccuring and to provide alternate contact routes?
07:34<@irgeek>Indeed. Though I don't have details yet.
07:34<kiasyn>haha, im not cruel enough to expect you to have details now :P
07:35<gpd>caker: is on your network? could it be DNS from linode?
07:36<gpd>caker: ignore me - it is godaddy's extra DNS entries :(
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07:40<agentbleubleu>hi all, any problems on newark
07:40<sdague>I seem to have had my guest lock up over night, I just rebooted it, and now it seems ok
07:41<sdague>I was on newark82
07:42<agentbleubleu>i got 2 on there sites not responding but data is being accessed from the db
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07:44<kiasyn>stupid question.. but how do i know how much i need to pay :P
07:44<kiasyn>for my existing linode
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07:46<jylan>Right I've got a question about restarting Apache, basically I've just added a new apache conf file for a domain I'm transferring over, need to restart Apache so that takes effect. The servers' running Debian, does someone know how to restart apache in that OS?
07:47<rainman`>/etc/init.d/apache restart
07:47<Shinsaku>or apache2ctl restart
07:47<kiasyn>sudo apache2ctl restart
07:47<jylan>I think it's running apache2 or something like that
07:48<jylan>I tried /etc/init.d/apache2 restart but it threw errors
07:48<kiasyn>what are the errors?
07:48<jylan>I'll try your command first
07:48<Shinsaku>try apache2ctl configtest
07:48<jylan>ok I think kiasyn's command worked
07:49<kiasyn>you weren't running as root?
07:49<kiasyn>what output did you get :)
07:49<jylan>I just got a few warns:
07:49<jylan>arning: DocumentRoot [/var/www/DIRECTORY] does not exist
07:49<jylan>[Wed Jul 29 11:48:38 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
07:49<jylan>[Wed Jul 29 11:48:38 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
07:49<jylan>[Wed Jul 29 11:48:38 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
07:49<jylan>[Wed Jul 29 11:48:38 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
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07:50<kiasyn>were you following a guide?
07:50<kiasyn>that /var/www/DIRECTORY warning probably meant you had to edit the directory
07:51<kiasyn>to point at your website
07:51<jylan>no I was doing it from memory - the server 'admin' showed me last night
07:51<jylan>But yes that command did work
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07:51<jylan>Thanks :)
07:52<jylan>Just got to wait for the DNS to propogate now... I'm using openDNS so shouldn't be too long
07:53<jylan> is already getting it, they seem to pick up DNS changes really quickly
07:54<kiasyn>whats the site?
07:55<kiasyn>(if you dont mind :))
07:55<rainman`>DNS changes are not really "picked up"
07:55<rainman`>if someone does not have it cached, they will get the most current data
07:56<jylan>oh sorry,
07:56<jylan>ah ok
07:56<jylan>I have to fix the home page
07:57<kiasyn>cool :)
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07:59<HoopyCat>kiasyn: billing day is the first of the month, so (assuming you're on a monthly plan) you'll get charged for august on saturday
07:59<kiasyn>im not setup for recurring
07:59<kiasyn>i believe
07:59<kiasyn>dont remember :P
08:00<HoopyCat>kiasyn: you probably are, if you used a credit card to sign up and not, say, a briefcase of cash
08:02<@irgeek>kiasyn: Everyone is.
08:02<kiasyn>oh good
08:02<kiasyn>..hope its not going to the credit card linked to the empty account :P
08:03<HoopyCat>kiasyn: check the Accounts tab to see which credit card it will be coming from :-)
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08:51<vasya>Is it possible to pay with paypal?
08:51<HoopyCat>vasya: not directly, but paypal's debit card should work
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09:59<knipster>Hi All, just signed up, awaiting activation, but not sure if I recall picking a datacenter (Wanted Newark).... Email or IRC better for assistance?
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10:00<JshWright>knipster: you'll pick the datacenter when you create the linode
10:00<knipster>Ahh, thanks Jsh
10:00<brenton>knipster: IRC is better at right times of day itl start gettin more active in aprox 2hrs
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10:02<knipster>I'm hoping after I ramp up that I won't require much support..... But knowing the best way to ask for help is good to know
10:04<brenton>ay does anyone know how to setup a DNS server with bind9, i think i have already set it up correctly
10:04<brenton>but im a n00b at DNS. i just wanna know how does the internet know my domain is on my DNS server do i have to configure my DNS server to link to a different working DNS server
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10:05<mig5>brenton: you need to go to your domain registrar and define your nameservers as authoritative for that domain
10:06<mig5>and you need a secondary nameserver as well as your primary
10:06<HoopyCat>brenton: first question is, of course, "why?"... it is possible to set up a nameserver, but it's usually more trouble than it's worth, and would require a second linode (or other suitable not-in-the-same-place thing that'll run a nameserver)
10:06<mig5>'the internet' knows your domain is resolvable by your nameserver by querying to discover what nameservers are 'authoritative' for that domain
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10:07<mig5>and, what HoopyCat said.
10:07<decourl>Actually configuring named is fairly straightforward. The configuration file already contains an authoritative zone sample which can be tailored and uncommented. There are sites on the internet which will generate the zone file for you from a hosts file. You can run your own master authoritative server in order to get the experience and set Linode's DNS up as a slave server to meet the two-server requirement.
10:08<Shinsaku>you dont need 2nd machine/ip, i "got" 2 nameservers on the same ip/machine
10:08<brenton>i thought you didnt need 2 dns servers. im trying to do this to save money instead of getting DNS Hosting
10:08<brenton>Shinsaku: yeah thats what i thought
10:09<mig5>its considered bad practice per RFCs to do what Shinsaku said
10:09<mig5>you should have more than 1 nameserver and they should be geographically and topographically distant from each other
10:09<Shinsaku>brenton you dont need to save money to make your own dns server, linode got free nameservers for all linode users
10:09<HoopyCat>brenton,Shinsaku: you do need a second nameserver; when a domain's DNS breaks, it's bad juujuu (especially if there's mail involved). also, linode offers free DNS hosting (see the DNS Manager tab)
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10:10<Shinsaku>i know its bad practice, but its still ok
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10:10<mig5>no, its just bad practice :)
10:10<HoopyCat>for what it's worth, i do run a couple nameservers, mostly for IPv6 considerations (as well as to keep fresh on bind and nsd), so i'm not saying "don't do it", i'm saying "do it right" :-)
10:10<mig5>but yes, it works
10:11<brenton>so i went to me domain handlers and set my linode as the primary nameserver. is there something missing or do i have to wait like 4hrs for it to propergate or somethin
10:11<HoopyCat>Shinsaku: it works fine until it doesn't, and then you're going to have a Bad Day :-)
10:11<Shinsaku>when you have everything on one machine, including mail server, you dont really need 2nd nameserver, cuz if your ns is down, so its mail ;)
10:11<mig5>Shinsaku: sure, just dont host anyone else's zone with an MX record hosted somewhere else
10:11<mig5>bad form
10:11<HoopyCat>Shinsaku: however, if your domain is still resolvable, the sender's mail server will at least accept and queue the mail :-) if it's not resolvable, mail servers tend to immediately reject the mail
10:12<HoopyCat>brenton: depending on the TLD, it ranges from "approximately instant" to "a couple weeks while margaret waits for a new tape for the fax machine"
10:13<Shinsaku>ok i see, maybe ill consider to make 2nd ns then ;)
10:13<mig5>brenton: and you really want to make sure the secondary NS, if there is one set, has the same zone information as the primary
10:14<rainman`>that's why proper people have (a) a secondary DNS server (b) a secondary mail server
10:14<mig5>ideally it should be a slave of your primary, for ease of configuration.
10:14<Yaakov>caker: PING
10:14<Yaakov>Wow! FAST PING TIMES
10:14<brenton>yea i think ill set it up like Shinsaku for time being, im only hosting my own domain
10:14<rainman`>.de will actually refuse that :)
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10:19<brenton>so if someone could run this command host and give an opinion of how i set my DNS server up
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10:22<brenton>so can i just put in my domain handlers settings '' 'TheIP' for primary nameserver and just wait for a few hrs
10:23<HoopyCat>brenton: i'd say your ttl is unreasonably long and your retry interval is unreasonably short... since your NS record points within your zone, glue has been placed, so if you change its IP remember to update your registrar as well...
10:23<brenton>coz if i just type host it comes back with has address ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
10:24<HoopyCat>brenton: per
10:24<HoopyCat> 14400 IN NS
10:24<HoopyCat> 14400 IN NS
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10:25<HoopyCat>brenton: you probably want to have them add a glue record for to match your zone's NS record and then just point it there. (and ditch the as well, if it's not slaving)
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10:28<brenton>HoopyCat: i dont know much about DNS but i think crazydomains interface is very limited and i can only put in primar and secondary nameservers and it automatically puts a as secondary if i leave it blank
10:29<HoopyCat>brenton: there's a reason for that...
10:31<HoopyCat>brenton: add to the dns manager as a slave and give plus ns1/2/3/ to your registrar and that'll probably help out
10:31<HoopyCat>it'll get it (and me!) to stop bitching ;-)
10:32<@tasaro>crazydomains... our prices are INNNSAAAANNEE!!
10:32<Karrde>another BIND vulnerability!? EVERYBODY PANIC
10:33<rainman`>nsd \o/
10:33<HoopyCat>turns out i forgot to uninstall bind after moving to nsd... fixed
10:33<brenton>oh ok, i wasnt sure if i could put in as a nameserver since its the domain im trying to set up ?
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10:34<HoopyCat>brenton: you'll have to add a glue record somehow; it might do it automatically, or you might have to "add a hostname" or something like that. every registrar is different with their terminology
10:35<brenton>oh i think it has hostname
10:35<HoopyCat>brenton: you could go with, too, and that'd work just fine. (just change your NS records in your zone accordingly...)
10:36<Rhuarc>checking crazydomains rate
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10:38<MJCS>Uptime (2wks 13hrs 25mins 11secs)
10:38<orudie>Is the nice command useful on a multi-CPU UNIX system?
10:38<HoopyCat>orudie: sure
10:38<orudie>explain ?
10:38<MJCS>bye bye nice uptime
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10:39<linbot>I come in peace.
10:39<HoopyCat>orudie: just because you have more than one CPU doesn't mean you won't have contention
10:39<@caker>linbot: and you go in pieces!
10:40<orudie>Which private address space is better, 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x?
10:40<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:40<HoopyCat>if you have eight pieces of cake and twelve people, you're going to probably have even more of a need for a plan than if you have one piece of cake and twelve people
10:41<HoopyCat>orudie: i think is sexier, because it reminds me of genitals
10:41<orudie>HoopyCat-> no seriously
10:41<HoopyCat>(... well you *asked*)
10:41<orudie>or there is no difference ?
10:41<@caker>if you have to ask...
10:41<decourl>orudie: 10.x.x.x is usually used in business. 192.168.x.x is probably usually used at home.
10:41<HoopyCat>orudie: there is no functional or performance difference, as long as it's used smartly
10:41<rainman`>decourl, where did you get that idea from?
10:42<decourl>personal experience
10:42<@caker>192.168 is waay too small for me. I like my IP rnages like I like my women
10:42<Rhuarc> is default on my dsl router too
10:42<@caker>ranges, even.
10:42<rainman`>don't forget 172.16/12
10:42<HoopyCat>decourl: i dunno, i usually see and exclusively in both places. i did get at the hotel in boston, though
10:42<decourl>If you're going to be VPN-ing from home to work, choose one for home which is not being used at work.
10:42<fuzzie>it's a very vague 'usually', but my experiences do match with that; consumer stuff more often comes configured as 192.168, corporate LANs seem more often 10.
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10:42<HoopyCat>doesn't matter as long as you don't pick something that's going to conflict with something else you might need to reach :-)
10:43<fuzzie>the best bit is when you need to connect to VPNs using both
10:43<JshWright>I use
10:43*Nivex uses 172.31.2/23
10:43<Rhuarc>me too
10:44<rainman`>real people simply have their own /8 ;)
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10:44<phennessy>i use 192.168.[5,10,15,20,25,30].0/24 for different places
10:44<phennessy>and vpn is easier that way
10:44<Rhuarc>its not like i have so many computers at home that need fresh ip's though
10:44<Nivex>can we just go IPv6 now?
10:44<HoopyCat>try to avoid and and you'll probably avoid most conflicts down the road. and avoid 42, 69, 100, and other commonly-used subnets (esp. if you're using a cable modem)
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10:44<orudie>Which is better, Solaris or Linux?
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10:44<phennessy>orudie: are you taking a survey?
10:45<HoopyCat>orudie: OS/2
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10:45<HoopyCat>any further questions and i'm going to have to ask for the OMB number on this paperwork
10:45<HoopyCat>caker: which ships with cakens
10:45<straterra>orudie: FBSD
10:45<Nivex>wow, that's still out there?!
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10:46<HoopyCat>Nivex: ah! THAT'S what i need to add to my to-do list
10:46<rainman`>Nivex, still waiting for native ipv6 on my linode :(
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10:46<straterra>I have my ipv6 deployment working quite well
10:46<Nivex>I'm running 6to4 at the moment to start ironing things out
10:47<straterra>Next thing to do is RA + DHCPv6 + DDNS
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10:48<Nivex>we have a BarCamp coming up. I'd love to be able to set up an IPv6 only access opint
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10:48<Nivex>of course the venue blocks all UDP traffic, so I'd have to get creative with OpenVPN to get a link out
10:49<Nivex>I think I get the whole radvd thing, but I'm still unclear on how to set the DNS servers
10:49<HoopyCat>Nivex: probably not *too* creative... s/proto udp/proto tcp/
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10:50<Nivex>HoopyCat: yeah, finding a good endpoint is the creativity. I don't really want to tunnel them all through my linode :)
10:50<HoopyCat>Nivex: eh, i gave up and do that for my house :-)
10:50<rainman`>Nivex, why not do proper tunneling?
10:51<rainman`>like or
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10:51<HoopyCat>sixxs is a bunch of assh--- err, aspiring young network engineers who are doing their best
10:52<HoopyCat>Nivex: re: radvd and dns:
10:52<straterra>aka assholes
10:52<rainman`>sixxs can be painful, but otherwise they would drown in abuse
10:52<Nivex>rainman`: because if they block UDP, they'd almost certainly block proto 41
10:52<rainman`>they don't have the momentum of
10:52<rainman`>i run a tunnel to my linode which works
10:52<HoopyCat>rainman`: they're unreliable and their support is somewhat lacking ("we can ping the tunnel server, it's obviously on your end")
10:53<rainman`>HoopyCat, 90% of their users are morons, and they do it in there free time :)
10:53<fuzzie>by all accounts the US sixxs servers are a mess, too
10:53<rainman`>but yes, for US i'd stick to
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10:54<HoopyCat>rainman`: the 10% who aren't morons keep moving to and openvpnning the ipv6 home :-)
10:54<HoopyCat>might just be a US thing, for sure.
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10:55<fuzzie>well, their grumpiness is not a US thing
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10:55<fuzzie>but the european tunnel endpoints are pretty good.
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10:55<fuzzie>the one
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10:56<rainman`>in any case, better than 6to4 ;)
10:56<fuzzie>hm. the one I'm using is 4ms away, and the alternatives are all too painful to use latency-wise, so meh
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10:56<HoopyCat>also, admittedly, it's easier for me to troubleshoot linode->HE than aiccu->NAT->sixxs, so when i bug HE i'm almost always 99% sure it's their problem
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10:58<amitz>I begin to have some ideas how gibberish tech talk sounds like for non-techie persons.. The feeling is unsettling. The need to belittle such tech talk is overwhelming. :-)
10:58<orudie>What is the major effect on routing of configuring your routers with the no ip classless command?
10:59*amitz head explodes
10:59<HoopyCat>orudie: your router will be unable to cope with the post-1990 internet
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11:03<rainman`>the simple fact that classful is an -option- is simply madness
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11:07<HoopyCat>rainman`: i figure it'd be more of a PITA to remove it than to keep it in there. i wouldn't be surprised to see some /* XXX: THIS IS REALLY NASTY */ in the source either
11:22<@jed>textmate's "TODO" finder is awesome
11:23<@jed>I have it configured to find dirty words, too, because that's how I mark my source up instead of TODO
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11:26<nachtkriecher>so, i think i like pale ales
11:26<nachtkriecher>not the dark stuff as much
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11:32<erikh>DARK BEER
11:32<nachtkriecher>im an east coaster
11:32*erikh grumbles how he misses portland
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11:33<nachtkriecher>i had Full Throttle and liked it
11:33<nachtkriecher>and then Lion Stout and didnt like it as much
11:33<erikh>porter, the perfect balance between ale and stout
11:34<nachtkriecher>i had sierra nevada which i also liked
11:34<nachtkriecher>that's a porter, isnt it?
11:34<erikh>that's a pale ale.
11:34<nachtkriecher>well ive also been drinking corona
11:34<erikh>well, if you like it, great; it's not about what I like if you're drinking it.
11:34<erikh>but you should try some of deschutes and rogue and caldera's offerings, if you ever find them
11:34<erikh>they really know how to make dark beer.
11:35<erikh>i've seen some places with rogue ales here in philly, but they're pricey and typically not the dark stuff.
11:35<nachtkriecher>the guy who bought me the lion stout wanted to get me something else but they were out
11:35<erikh>I really like good scot ales, though they're a little tough to find
11:36<erikh>great flavor
11:36<nachtkriecher>honestly though, i havent had a drink that i absolutely didnt like
11:36<erikh>try old english 800.
11:36<erikh>you'll solve that problem
11:36<nachtkriecher>OH YEAH exxcept for a bloody mary
11:36<nachtkriecher>i was not a gan
11:36<erikh>blavod is pretty bad, as is asparagus liquer.
11:37<erikh>ok, lunch time, lata.
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11:56<Rhuarc>Dancing with the Czars on ABC lol :x
11:56<Rhuarc>is czar american word i thought it was russian?
11:56<HoopyCat>dancing with urmom on cinemax
11:57<Karrde>Rhuarc: sure, it's Russian
11:58<@tychoish>Tsar is a closer transliteration... the Czar spelling often refers to ameracian things I think (drug czars, etc.)
11:58<HoopyCat>Rhuarc: we do use czar to informally describe particular high-level officials (like the drug czar and the war czar and the cybersecurity czar)
11:58<Rhuarc>but it sounded so familiar
11:58<Rhuarc>oh yes the cyberbully -act
11:59<Solver>czar is Polish and Tsar is Russian, I believe
12:00<Solver>I understand they both come from Caesar
12:00<Rhuarc>but i have not heard the terms often only sinds last year
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12:00<Solver>they are both old terms
12:00<Solver>as in centuries old
12:01<Rhuarc>we'll i'm 19 and not heard the term before in the msm
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12:01*Solver is a history buff so I had encountered them
12:02<HoopyCat>Rhuarc: what country are you in?
12:02<Rhuarc>we used to own NY
12:03<HoopyCat>Rhuarc: ah. yeah, i don't think NL has a drug czar ;-)
12:03<Solver>lost it to the English in a poke game I heard
12:03<Solver>well that killed the joke :)
12:04<Solver>and on that note I'm lunching
12:04<HoopyCat>why they changed it, i can't say; people just liked it better that way
12:05<Rhuarc>no we don't have a drug czar :)
12:07<jetlag>hey... new irssi
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12:08<Pryon>haha. I was just thinking that "Drug Czar" would be a good name for a head shop, sort of like Burger King
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12:11<HoopyCat>minister of marijuana
12:11<HoopyCat>probably an entire body of lords of acid, too
12:12*HoopyCat . o O ( that'd be a cool band name )
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12:17<@mikegrb>mmm cake
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12:21<amitz>caker is a good band name
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12:21<amitz>or HoopyCat.
12:22<amitz>hmm electric eel
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12:34*theblackbox seems to remember a EDMS syndicate and/or band called dogs on acid...
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12:51<nachtkriecher>She Likes Cloth
12:52<straterra>Any of you run dhcpv6?
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12:56<linbot>New news from forums: What is the visible difference between a 360 and a 540? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
12:57<fo0bar>I've never liked the mauve exterior of the 360, so I usually go with the 540, which has a nice salmon shade
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12:59<tierra>I like the neon orange spoiler on the 1080 personally
13:01<Nivex>"in terms of speed?"
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13:01<straterra>About 88MpH
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13:02<nachtkriecher>do you guys use firebug?
13:03<ianneub>nachtkriecher: heck yes
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13:03<nachtkriecher>what does it mean when the element is whited out?
13:03<nachtkriecher>besides that its not being displayed
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13:04<ianneub>nachtkriecher: which firebug screen are you on?
13:05<nachtkriecher>i assume it's a style thing
13:05<ianneub>nachtkriecher: i think it means the object is set to display: none
13:05<ianneub>is that right?
13:06<nachtkriecher>well that doesnt show up in the style tab
13:06<ianneub>is there an element that contains it that's set to no display?
13:06<nachtkriecher>i dont think so
13:07<nachtkriecher>none of it's parent elements are greyed out
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13:08<ianneub>its not commented out by HTML is it?
13:08<ianneub>weird, i thought those were the only two ways you'd see that
13:09<nachtkriecher>it also greys out empty a elements
13:09<nachtkriecher>it seems
13:10<nachtkriecher>it's greying it out when i put it inside a table element
13:10<nachtkriecher>im trying to center the search box/link list
13:11<nachtkriecher>at the top
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13:21<nachtkriecher>the search box randomly greys out
13:21<Bohemian>can someone help me with scp
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13:21<nachtkriecher>s/randomly/seemingly randomly
13:21<Bohemian>i'd like to cp a file on my local disk to my linode server
13:21<Bohemian>what is the command i need?
13:22<JshWright>scp localfile
13:22<ianneub>nachtkriecher: do you have the latest firebug?
13:22<nachtkriecher>maybe not
13:23<ianneub>i've noticed lots of problems since i updated to FF 3.5
13:23<nachtkriecher>i dont know the last time i restarted ff
13:23<nachtkriecher>oh wait, it was yesterday
13:23<nachtkriecher>or maybe not
13:24<Bohemian>JshWright: doesn't need a -r ?
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13:25<JshWright>Bohemian: it doesn't make sense to recursively copy "a file"
13:25<Bohemian>okay, only folders?
13:25*caker prefers small animals
13:26<erikh>richard gere style?
13:27<Yaakov>caker: How small?
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13:39<nachtkriecher>i havent even upgraded to ff 3.5!!! :O:O:O
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13:46<nachtkriecher>oh noes!!! my mouse gestures!! my theme!!!
13:46<kronos003>what have you guys heard about they are offering unlimited bandwidth and diskspace. i called and ask one of their reps and it appears that they inpose a filecount limit of 50000 files. servers are dual quadcore xeon w/16gb ram
13:47<HoopyCat>i made a new business / its rates are keen / i gotta get some customers / but our equipment is lean
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13:48<kronos003>HoopyCat: are you saying thats you ?
13:48<kronos003>or is that their modus
13:48<HoopyCat>we got a great concept / its implementation will rock / noone'll ever notice / if we make sure IO doesn't block
13:49<kronos003>lol no kidding
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13:49<HoopyCat>bbl, working on the guitar part
13:49<kronos003>what is thae base hw on linodes these days
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13:50<linbot>kronos003: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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13:51<kronos003>awe darn - cant remember all the commands
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13:51<linbot>kronos003: /msg linbot list
13:52<kronos003> /msg linbot list
13:52<kronos003>darn spaces
13:52<linbot>you suck.
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13:52<linbot>I blow.
13:53<linbot>Don't touch me there!
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13:53<kronos003>what hardware are linoes built on
13:53<Yaakov>They are silicon-based.
13:53<kronos003>is linode an intel or amd house - perhaps a bit of both?
13:54<Yaakov>Each host has thousands of resistors and capacitors as well.
13:54<kronos003>ha ha
13:54<HoopyCat>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5420 @ 2.50GHz
13:54<HoopyCat>times 8 or so
13:54<kronos003>i was just wondering how much linode outclasses the bluehost dual quadcore xeon w/16gb ram setup
13:55<Yaakov>They also feature electromagnetic inductive convection cooling.
13:55<HoopyCat>+/- half a GHz or so, depending on time
13:55<kronos003>Yaakov: thats not even possible
13:55<Yaakov>kronos003: I beg to differ.
13:55<kronos003>would be nice if it was
13:55<Nivex>I think he means fans
13:55<Yaakov>kronos003: There are special devices designed for just that function.
13:56<HoopyCat>kronos003: linode would fit approx. 40 customers on a box of that spec (assuming linode 360s)
13:56<Yaakov>Nivex: "Fans" sounds so common.
13:56<kronos003>lol but not in that combination - convection cooling sure but inductive cooling?
13:56<Yaakov>It is electromagntic induction.
13:57<kronos003>electromagnetic induction is redundant
13:57<Yaakov>It uses permanent magnets and induced current to create rotary motion.
13:57<kronos003>at least in the context of electronics
13:57<kronos003>i see
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13:58<HoopyCat>i appreciate where you're coming from, but... well, Yaakov's real name is Marconi Farnsworth Edison, so i think he knows where he's coming from with this
13:59<Yaakov>I am coming from out of left field.
13:59<kronos003>what would be REALLY nice is if we could get heatsinks that absorb tremendous amounts of heat and recycle said heat back into the PSU as electricity
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13:59<HoopyCat>he's got more letters before his name than most PhDs have letters after their name; he has more letters after his name than he has in his name itself
13:59<ianneub>HoopyCat: The Stig?
14:00<HoopyCat>ianneub: no, Yaakov
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14:01<HoopyCat>or, should i say, The Distinguished and Honorable Sir Doctor Marconi "Marco" Farnsworth Edison
14:01<azaghal>Hm... Curiously, how do people work with kernel upgrades of Debian under Linode?
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14:01<HoopyCat>azaghal: if you're using pv_grub, it should be "relatively normal"; if not, it's moot
14:03<Yaakov>Peltier junctions can do that, but efficiency makes it impractical.
14:04<azaghal>HoopyCat: Thanks
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14:11<azaghal>There goes nothing...
14:14<HoopyCat>kronos003: in general, CPU barely matters... i don't know exact stats, but i'd be surprised if the average linode exceeded 5% of one host CPU on average. memory is what it is (doesn't matter how much the host has, 'tho it does set a hard limit on customers in a xen environment.) I/O performance, reliability, and the acceptable use policy are the big constraints.
14:16<azaghal>Yay, worked.
14:17<HoopyCat>. o O ( phew, that was a lucky guess)
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14:24<dajhorn>HoopyCat: Are you Linode staff?
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14:25<reillyeon>dajhorn: Ops are staff.
14:25<dajhorn>reillyeon: Okay.
14:25<HoopyCat>dajhorn: nope. the people with @ are staff.
14:26<HoopyCat>i'm merely here for the free beer
14:26<Athenon>i thought @ was an email address!
14:26<Athenon>(note sarcasm)
14:26<HoopyCat>it's a cinnamon roll :-)
14:27<Athenon>ahh yes
14:27<Athenon>UP must be beer then
14:27<Athenon>or UD i guess
14:27<HoopyCat>beer? where?
14:28<Athenon>UD <----- right here
14:28<Athenon>see the U is the cup and the D is the handle
14:28<Karrde>is there a list somewhere of what major & minor numbers mean on character special files? I have a RHEL4 system with 11ty character special files with a major and minor of 0 and gibberish names, and haven't a clue where they came from
14:29<HoopyCat>Karrde: are they just kinda hanging out somewhere other than /dev? if so, it sounds like bitrot more than anything...
14:30<Karrde>just curious
14:30<HoopyCat>Karrde: you do have backups, right?
14:30<Karrde>yeah but they probably include the crap 8)
14:30<Karrde>there are many normal files there too
14:31<HoopyCat>Karrde: i've seen that happen when a filesystem explodes and gets pieced back together by fsck... you can probably delete them safely, although i'd be on the lookout for other tragedies on that filesystem
14:31<Karrde>ok. thx
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14:34<nachtkriecher>is there no way to fill remaining space with css??
14:34-!-DephNet[Paul] [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:34<nachtkriecher>for instance: a horizontal space, with two images on the left and right
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14:34<nachtkriecher>and then the middle spaced filled with something else
14:35<Solver>Karrde: the file devices.txt supplied with the kernel source was the canonical list last time I had to check major/minor numbers on a device
14:36<Solver>Karrde: it is online in various places (as well as with the src)
14:36<Karrde>unnamed device, null device
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14:41<r3z>Got a frickin LUN that isnt working right..
14:41<r3z>Presented it and have have created the partition and formatted it and it is saying device is busy...
14:42<Solver>across a cluster or something?
14:42<r3z>It shouildnt be locked.
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14:50<cnagele>Need some help with exceeded storage.
14:50<@jed>cnagele: what's up?
14:51<cnagele>Sec, I think our developer is figuring it out :)
14:52<Karrde>rm /core
14:52<cnagele>Okay, he is stuck. We are trying to reboot. Is it safe to give you the linode number here?
14:53<@jed>IP works
14:53<@jed>since everyone knows that anyway
14:53<straterra>ip freely
14:53<Karrde>oo, comcastbusiness
14:54<@jed>cnagele: you can give me whatever, your linode username, linode ID, linode label, first and last name, entire credit card number, IP address, whatever
14:54<@jed>it's whatever you're comfortable with :)
14:54<@jed>I can find you using * of those
14:54*jed queries the core
14:54<cnagele>Looks like we are back up now. All of our sites were down for some reason.
14:55<Karrde>we'll take your CC# - throw in the SSN for good measure ;)
14:55<@jed>cnagele: should I be looking at the last shutdown and boot, or these two failed disk deletes
14:55<@jed>what exactly is going on? describe your issue
14:55<cnagele>Sites were good, then, sites were baddd. (or down)
14:56<@jed>you did 7k IO operations about 30 minutes ago
14:56<straterra>What's this I hear about linode sending my email to the guvment?
14:56<@jed>did you run out of memory and hit swap?
14:56<cnagele>Possibly. Let me check.
14:56<@jed>CPU shot up to 350% at the same time
14:56<@jed>what did you start...40 minutes ago?
14:56<@jed>40ish, 50ish
14:57<cnagele>Nothing. The sites on there are dead simple.
14:57<rainman`>straterra, ?
14:57<@jed>mysql dump? anything?
14:58<@jed>cnagele: log in to the linode manager and eyeball your graphs, you'll see what I'm talking about
14:58<cnagele>Nope. Our team is sleeping, so... well, they are awake now :)
14:58<cnagele>Yeah, I see it.
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14:58<@jed>are you compromised? anything fishy in logs? etc
14:58<cnagele>We'll dig a little and see what caused it.
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14:59<@jed>cool, i'd say almost pegging your allotted CPU warrants investigation
14:59<@jed>you might have hit swap
14:59<@jed>but typically that only shows up in I/O
14:59<cnagele>Btw, Linode is really nice so far. We are using it for our blogs and Beanstalk landing site (mostly static).
15:00<@jed>glad to hear it!
15:00<@jed>it's great how cost-effective you can get with a linode, I'm really shocked to see what people do with them
15:01<Karrde>I run Windows Vista on mine
15:06<erikh>what an awesome way to kill off your alloted i/o
15:07<cnagele>Strange. Logs look fine. I guess we'll have to dig some more.
15:09<cnagele>jed: Thanks for the help. I'll let you get back to things.
15:09<@jed>you're not bugging me, don't worry
15:09<@jed>my gut says swap, but sniff around
15:09<linbot>TheJoe: Yo momma's so old she's almost as old as Yaakov! (795:4/1) [mmuro]
15:10*TheJoe hugs Yaakov
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15:14<Nivex>TheJoe: careful, you may not be able to handle his HUGE LOVE
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15:20<euphorik>is it possible to customize options on a linode plan beyond what the control panel allows?
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15:20<straterra>euphorik: such as?
15:20<vasya>how is bandwidth calculated?
15:20<HoopyCat>euphorik: you can add extras, but there's not a way to, for instance, trade some RAM for some disk space
15:21<@caker>vasya: in+out
15:21<Yaakov>caker: How is babby mage?
15:21<euphorik>HoopyCat: yeah.. i mean more like i don't want to get Linode 1440 because everything but the hd space or bandwidth or something is good on Linode 360
15:22<euphorik>so it would cost way too much to upgrade for just one single option
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15:22<straterra>Right..thats why you upgrade the whole plan
15:22<vasya>this service is no softlayer
15:22<HoopyCat>euphorik: you can add extras and get up to that point, but it's usually cheaper to go the whole way (or use S3 or some other CDN-type thing)
15:22<straterra>What service?
15:22<vasya>I mean everything
15:23<vasya>Why dont you accept paypal?
15:23<vasya>Why IRC&
15:23<straterra>I'd imagine because the owner of the company wants to
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15:23<vasya>Are you an employee?
15:24<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
15:24<straterra>Not at all
15:24<HoopyCat>err, that's not what i was after
15:24<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
15:24<Yaakov>vasya: what you do you mean, "Why IRC?"
15:24<Pryon>baby mage == sourcerer
15:24<@jed>vasya: paypal creates more problems than it's worth, for both us and customers
15:24<@jed>we've evaluated it and we don't have plans to support it at this time
15:24<vasya>jed, such as?
15:24<@jed><-- staff
15:24<scott>jed: i like paypal
15:25<Yaakov>It claims to be your "pal" but its really into it for the money.
15:25<straterra>vasya: You do know..the company doesn't owe you an explanation for anything..right?
15:25<Yaakov>You can use PayPal, if you have a PayPal debit or credit card.
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15:25<@jed>that's what I always point at, is the paypal issued card
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15:25<vasya>Straterra, I've been working with softlayer for a long time...
15:25<HoopyCat>vasya: has contact methods other than IRC as well, but IRC usually works pretty well for most general questions
15:26<Yaakov>jed: I was wondering what you were pointing at, but I thought it was a nervous habit and didn't want to embarrass you.
15:26<Yaakov>IRC is teh awesome. Full stop.
15:26<Pryon>If I ever have need to contact linode, I'm definitely going to use SIP
15:26<straterra>Linode != softlayer
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15:26*Nivex points at urmom
15:26<vasya>I know
15:26<silverblade>softlayer? sounds like a duvet manufacturer
15:27<z8000>hey question about ip failover. if I have 2 linodes, A and B, and setup A to failover to B, I setup B with A's IP. now, if A goes down, B brings up A's IP. B now has 2 IPs right? What happens when A gets sorted out and comes back online? Is there some magic that I'm not aware of that notifies B to take A's IP down?
15:27<HoopyCat>z8000: you'll have to arrange such magic
15:27<vasya>How much cpu will i get?
15:27<z8000>HoopyCat: OK
15:28<straterra>vasya: In terms of..what?
15:28<straterra>Processor clock/model?
15:28<vasya>cpu cycles
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15:28<straterra>Depends on your plan
15:28<silverblade>1000 gigawatts
15:28<HoopyCat>z8000: most heartbeat stuff will handle both ends of it, as long as there's an "out of band" link between the two (e.g. over the private network) so they can compare notes
15:28<vasya>the most basic one
15:28<Yaakov>vasya: Are you aware that there is a seven day full money back guarantee?
15:28<z8000>HoopyCat: recommendations for the magic? is this what "wackamole" is about (I need to go read about that)
15:28<Karrde>12 oranges/hour
15:28<straterra>I believe you share the server with..what..40 people?
15:28<silverblade>69 midgets per box
15:28<Yaakov>vasya: You can try it, and if it in not what you want, you get your 20 bucks back.
15:28<straterra>So..guaranteed 1/40, but able to use full speed if no one else is
15:29<@jed>vasya: it's impossible with virtualization to allocate "CPU units" without a severe performance penalty
15:29<@jed>we don't allocate "CPU units", and we haven't had an instance yet where people don't play nice
15:29<HoopyCat>vasya: you can almost always burst up to 400% of one host CPU; at a minimum, you get an equal share, although that assumes all the other linodes on the host are nailing their CPUs as much as they can. (in practice, this doesn't happen)
15:29<@jed>we have planning in place for situations where a linode pegs the CPU, and it will not interfere with you in the slightest
15:29<Yaakov>vasya: If you go longer, you still pay pro rata, it is about 63 cents a day. There are no monthly commitments.
15:30<HoopyCat>z8000: the (i think) stuff is what i've heard of, but i haven't played around with it in a looong time
15:30<z8000>HoopyCat: ty
15:30<silverblade>In summary: SIGN UP NAO
15:30<Yaakov>linux-ha isn't funny.
15:30<SelfishMan>Since the host has 8 cores you are really only splitting the cpu with 20.5 users
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15:31<silverblade>id hate to be that .5 user
15:31<z8000>Yaakov: ?
15:31<silverblade>itd be diffult to fit in to society.
15:31<SelfishMan>silverblade: I consider the .5 to be the host
15:31<Yaakov>z8000: I want it to be funny, it isn't.
15:31<z8000>you guys hittin the sauce early today or what? :)
15:31<vasya>Guys, i'm here to ask you question about vps
15:31<Yaakov>linux-ho-ho-ho is funny, but it is only up for the christmas season.
15:31<SelfishMan>Yaakov: take a look at the linux-lol project instead
15:32<z8000>Yaakov: oh, now I get it ... I'm slow.
15:32<Yaakov>z8000: Unlike the LINODES which are FAST, FAST, FAST!
15:32<vasya>Don't you have a private chat where it's possible those issues?
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15:32<vasya>*to discuss
15:32<HoopyCat>vasya: <--- pick your method
15:33<Karrde>what, are we not helping?
15:33<SelfishMan>vasya: this is the private channel
15:33<Yaakov>jed: Take vasya here into the back room and "discuss" things with him.
15:33<Karrde>I'll bring the horse
15:33<vasya>I don't want to be interrupted by morons
15:33<Yaakov>That's "morans".
15:33<silverblade>morans cant spell, never forget this.
15:34<JshWright>vasya: what questions have you asked that haven't gotten answered?
15:34<Nivex>I say, old chap... I do believe we've been insulted.
15:34<Karrde>vasya: pick a more serious medium then.
15:34<Yaakov>Nivex: I took it as a compliment.
15:34<vasya>I'll do that, thanks
15:34<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I think this is the perfect venue.
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15:35<Karrde>now you see the idiocy inherent in the medium
15:35<Nivex>Help! Help! I'm being depressed!
15:35<Yaakov>#Linode pushes back.
15:35<silverblade>Nivex: Gillete. The best a manic can get.
15:35<HoopyCat>Press to Test
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15:35<SelfishMan>what the hell? I come back from lunch, provide a valid answer and then get called a moron?
15:35<HoopyCat>Release to Detonate
15:36<SelfishMan>to hell with this, I'm done
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15:36<Yaakov>SelfishMan: Moran, please.
15:36<vasya>fuck that, i'm staying with softlayer
15:36<HoopyCat>vasya: HOORAY!
15:36<Yaakov>vasya: Whatever is best for you.
15:36<HoopyCat>vasya: tell them we said hi
15:36<silverblade>you dont go into someones channel and start calling people morons when they try to help you
15:36<Yaakov>silverblade: marans.
15:36<Yaakov>er... morans.
15:37<Karrde>never heard of softlayer. at least he didn't say Slicehost
15:37<silverblade>its like getting on a bus and telling everyone to shut up so you can talk to the person next to you
15:37<scott>hes right though. you guys are morans
15:37<ianneub>hey guys i'm looking at my linode graphs and there is an empty spot for about 30 minutes or so this morning, anyone else seeing that? in newark
15:37<z8000>alien abduction, proded, returned.
15:37<@caker>ianneub: routing issue somewhere between newark and dallas this morning
15:38<Nivex>0700-0730 ET?
15:38<silverblade>router on mars packet loss
15:38<@caker>sounds about right
15:38<linbot>Yaakov: Yo momma so f--- oh wait wrong trigger (35:0/0) [xseuces]
15:38<linbot>Yaakov: The packets arrived out of sequence. (21:0/0) [cuexsse]
15:38<ianneub>ah ok
15:38<ianneub>about 4am PDT yeah
15:38<HoopyCat>ianneub: seen here, too. atlanta was fine. buying caker's excuse.
15:38<Yaakov>HoopyCat: How much you paying?
15:38<Nivex>pesky internets
15:39<HoopyCat>Yaakov: two 360s on the annual plan and not a penny more
15:39<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Sounds good.
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15:40<Yaakov>scott: It is precisely our moranic behavior that you find so irresistable.
15:40<ianneub>hmm... how many linodes does the largest linode user use i wonder
15:41<Karrde>get a brain
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15:41<scott>Yaakov: you have your moments :)
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15:41<Yaakov>ianneub: You mean largest by weight? Or height?
15:41<ianneub>hmm, either i guess, largest linodes or most linodes!
15:42<tanto>question, i have a linode in NJ right now and i'm thinking of adding a 2nd linode and taking advantage of the virtual IP / IP failover, but i'd want each linode to be on a different physical server. is that possible?
15:42<Yaakov>I think Xiao Ming has a 360 in Fremont.
15:42<HoopyCat>ianneub: i believe that'd be privacy policy territory, but i have seen at least one person mention having linodes on more than a half dozen hosts in one datacenter
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15:42<reillyeon>tanto: I believe they always try to give you a different host.
15:42<Dianoga_>tanto: I believe it is, but you want to contact support to verify
15:42<ianneub>HoopyCat: no doubt. i wouldn't want linode telling them how much i use either, but it would be interesting to know
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15:43<HoopyCat>tanto: odds are nearly 100% that adding a second linode will plant it on a different host. if not, open a ticket for a migration
15:43<tanto>perfect, thanks
15:43<ianneub>tanto: you can ask support and they'll tell you
15:43<HoopyCat>tanto: (might be a good idea to open a ticket anyway, just to make sure SPOFs are minimized... e.g. different circuits, etc)
15:43<tanto>can the ip failover work on more than 2 hosts, such as 3+?
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15:43<tanto>does the IP failover work between datacenters?
15:43<@caker>tanto: no
15:44<HoopyCat>caker: no to the more-than-2-hosts question?
15:44<tanto>it should work on more than 2 if it's just like a heartbeat setup
15:44<@caker>tanto: yes more than 2 machines. no across DCs
15:44<HoopyCat>ok. *phew, not insane*
15:44<tanto>i wouldn't expect it to work across datacenters, just had to ask though
15:44<straterra>I like one of the deciding factors to not use linode is the fact they use IRC..
15:45<Karrde>IRC is supposed to be a serious discussion, old chap.
15:45<ianneub>how does the ip failover work? do you configure both machines to use the one ip address?
15:45<@jed>you know, while I respect that IRC is for having fun and hanging out, I think that exchange with vasya could have gone better
15:45<tanto>i've used heartbeat for ip failover in the past
15:45<@tychoish>Karrde: and what, good fellow of the urmom?
15:45<@jed>I'm not scolding any of you, just saying, let's think of how we treat people
15:45<straterra>jed, we gave answers...valid ones
15:45*silverblade burns
15:46<@jed>I'm not defending anyone or taking sides
15:46<Karrde>I think he was objecting to the other chatter going on.
15:46<straterra>Well..he was given multiple communication methods
15:46<tanto>anyone use puppet?
15:46<Pryon>Yaakov was cracking wise too much.
15:46<silverblade>well, to be fair, i was just injecting some random fun into the conversation, whether thats inappropriate or not... hm.
15:46<straterra>Or could have messaged an op..
15:46<ianneub>tanto: i started to, until i heard about chef
15:46<tanto>is chef that much better?
15:47<Dianoga>And it is easier to stay friendly when his third statement isn't an attack on the service he is asking about...
15:47<tanto>isn't chef a much much newer project?
15:47<ianneub>i think it will eventually be better, but right now maybe now
15:47<straterra> (for you ipv6 enabled folk)
15:47<ianneub>yeah its too new right now i think
15:47<tanto>i'll have to check it out
15:47<@jed>again, I'm not looking for an argument with the #linode community, I'm just requesting that all of us consider our interactions with customers and potential customers
15:47<tanto>a guy i used to work with uses chef a lot at cloudant
15:47<ianneub>some of the stuff they have talked about isn't there yet
15:47<dajhorn>Linode has fanboys at this point --well deserved -- but sometimes they present like staff.
15:47<Dianoga>fair enough
15:48<ianneub>like they are going to get rid of the openid crap in chef
15:48<Pryon>I'm pretty sure that 99.44% of the time, if a person comes in with a good attitude they get very good responses. Asshats get goofiness
15:48<tanto>well digg is using puppet and puppet seems to be highly configurable
15:48<ianneub>tanto: i didn't like puppet only because they use some custom ruby config language
15:48<ianneub>chef uses pure ruby
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15:49<silverblade>ah but i bet he doesnt provide the ChocolateSaltyBalls gem
15:49<ianneub>i'm no expert though, i just really want to use something like pupet or chef :)
15:49<tanto>well i don't like ruby at all but i'll use what i need to use if it offers me the features i need :)
15:49<ianneub>but haven't really taken the plunge
15:49<HoopyCat>jed: yeah, i did get a little snippy there towards the end. might be useful to have a good way to route folks that want "official" text-based private chat with an employee short of a phone call/e-mail, though. i'm often hesitant to say "message one of the ops" without knowing for sure you're not out to lunch, etc :-)
15:49<tanto>i prefer python over ruby
15:50<ianneub>i started with ASP, then went to PHP and now use Ruby
15:50<ianneub>i never did get into python
15:50<silverblade>ewww asp
15:50<ianneub>lol no doubt
15:50<silverblade>but yeah that was my same route
15:50<tanto>i don't use windows at all
15:50<ianneub>it was horrid
15:50<@jed>HoopyCat: it's something we're going to have to hash out amongst ourselves, I have a potential solution which probably won't work, and I'm out of ideas beyond that
15:50<silverblade>my ASP host was like you're moving away but PHP is horrible, sites go down all the time etc
15:50<tanto>i work for a linux-only company, my bosses banned windows from our datacenter
15:50<silverblade>this from someone whose servers used to error 500 all the time
15:50<ianneub>silverblade: lol
15:50<tanto>everyone uses mac or linux workstations lol
15:50<silverblade>tanto: can i enroll plzkthx
15:51<ianneub>i used to have a shedule to reboot my windows servers once a week!
15:51<silverblade>for employment :p lol
15:51<tanto>my job is very stressful sometimes, i can't wish that on anyone
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15:52<Smark>So, what was the problem with the LPM lastnight?
15:52<ianneub>tanto have you setup puppet yet?
15:52<tanto>ianneub: no, not yet
15:52<HoopyCat>jed: nod... some sort of here/not here indicator might work, but if you're already +o tacking on a +v isn't visible. *shrug* good luck, and feel free to yell at us more often :-)
15:52<tanto>it's in my to do list for the next month, though
15:52<@jed>again, not yelling at you :)
15:52<@jed>it's just feeding into something I've been considering for some time
15:52<tanto>oh yeah any developers here using a messaging/queuing system, like rabbitmq or activemq or gearmN/
15:53<HoopyCat>jed: i didn't say you were! you're misintrepreting what i said, you sack of guano!!^H^H^H^H^H^Hohcrapbackspaceisbroken
15:53<ianneub>tanto i've use amazon sqs in the past
15:53<silverblade>too much deletion
15:53<@jed>HoopyCat: stf^H^H^Hok :)
15:53<tanto>how did sqs work out for you?
15:54<ianneub>seems good for my light loads. i like not needing to setup any server software
15:54<tanto>what client of clients/apis do they have for it?
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15:54<ianneub>umm, i assume all the major stuff is supported
15:54<Karrde>stty erase ^H
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15:56<tanto>i'll need to take another look at it, thanks ianneub
15:56<ianneub>no sweat
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16:12<z8000>so I read up on wackamole and spread. looks great! seems like you can do RRDNS to load-share and use wackamole for HA inside your cluster in a single [Linode] data center. anyone have any experiences with wackamole/spread? I didn't see much of anything about it on the forums.
16:12<silverblade>I've not had experience with either but what a bizarre combination of project/product names
16:13<silverblade>particularly when it allows for sentences to begin with "so... i read up on wackamole and spread"
16:14<z8000>I name all of my products after volcanoes, so I didn't even notice I guess.
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16:15<silverblade>You put your linode user in, your linode user out, in out in out shake them all about...
16:15<ianneub>z8000: would you use wakeamole with linode's IP failover stuff?
16:15<Karrde>Yo dawg I put a
16:16<z8000>ianneub: my understanding is that one would use wackamole instead of linux-ha ...
16:16<ianneub>i'm just wondering how sharing an ip address like that works in linode
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16:17<ianneub>usually with those setups, each box has its own IP, and then there is a shared virtual IP
16:17<HoopyCat>ianneub: whoever ARPs most recently gets it
16:18<ianneub>so you'd add the virtual ip to one of the boxes, then in linode manager, you'd set that ip up on all the other boxes as a failover ip? then run wackamole/ipvs/keepalived/etc on all the boxes?
16:19<ianneub>boxes = linode vps
16:19<HoopyCat>ianneub: that would work... the virtual IP for public-facing stuff, the "real" IPs for management, and private IPs for heartbeat/synchronization
16:20<HoopyCat>!f apache tuning
16:20<linbot>HoopyCat: Results not found. I'm pretty sure straterra ate them
16:20<ianneub>i see. i'm going to be implementing something like this soon
16:20<silverblade>fetch the stomach pump
16:20<Karrde>fetchez le vache
16:20<ianneub>just never done it inside a linode before
16:20<Yaakov>!f apache
16:21<linbot>Yaakov: Chiricahua, Jicarilla, Lipan, Plains Apache, Mescalero, Western Apache
16:21<z8000>I haven't done it yet so I'm not sure but I think the way wackamole works is that you give it a set of IPs that should be up and public and a set of boxes to communicate with. Then you run wackamole on those boxes. They coordinate (via spread) to ensure that those public IPs are up. if a box/vps goes down, the public IP(s) it had up are brought up on one or more other boxes running wackamole in your cluster.
16:21<Karrde>!skynet apache tuning
16:21<Yaakov>HoopyCat: See, perfect!
16:21<linbot>Karrde: This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
16:21<Karrde>that paragraph of text was unexpected
16:21<silverblade>its a ninja paragraph
16:21<silverblade>strikes when you least expect it
16:21<Karrde>I was trying to highlight something
16:21<Karrde>suddenly ZOOM
16:21<ianneub>z8000: i see. what service will you be using with that?
16:21<Yaakov>!f tuning
16:21<linbot>Yaakov: Tuning can refer to:
16:22<z8000>ianneub: one that I'm building for my iphone users.
16:22<ianneub>z8000: i mean a web app? port 80?
16:22<Yaakov>!f oom
16:22<linbot>Yaakov: Cooma,New South Wales,Australia
16:22<z8000>ianneub: yeah, a web service on port 80
16:22<silverblade>!f oom bop
16:23<linbot>silverblade: This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
16:23<@jed>!newercalc speed of light in mph
16:23<linbot>jed: 6.706x10^8 mph (miles per hour)
16:23<Yaakov>linbot: If anyone asks about Apache tuning, refer them to HoopyCat.
16:23<ianneub>z8000: i see, so you'd have a bunch of IPs, set them all up in DNS, then run wackamole to make sure all those IPs are up
16:23<silverblade>jed: calculating the new network link speeds? :p
16:24<z8000>!newercalc speed of light in furlongs per month
16:24<linbot>z8000: 3.916x10^12 furlongs/mo (furlongs per month)
16:24<Yaakov>!f jed
16:24<z8000>ianneub: yeah
16:24<linbot>Yaakov: Jed can refer to:
16:24<Karrde>!newercalc speed of light in parsecs
16:24<linbot>Karrde: urmom
16:24<HoopyCat>ianneub: without the failover support enabled, each linode is, essentially, its own vlan. failover support can be thought of as placing multiple linodes on the same vlan, as far as bringing up IPs goes.
16:24<Karrde>!newercalc speed of light in parsecs per parsec
16:24<@jed>!newercalc distance from fremont, ca to absecon, nj
16:24<linbot>Karrde: urmom
16:24<linbot>jed: urmom
16:24<ianneub>HoopyCat: ahhh ha!
16:24<@jed>!newercalc What is the distance from Fremont, CA to Absecon, NJ?
16:24<HoopyCat>ianneub: so it's just like "real servers" :-)
16:24<linbot>jed: 2547 miles
16:24<ianneub>thanks, that helps me figure out what the heck it is really doing
16:24<@jed>!newercalc 2547 miles in light-seconds
16:25<linbot>jed: 0.01367 light seconds
16:25<Yaakov>jed: You need the velocity factor of the links.
16:25<@jed>!newercalc 0.01367 seconds in milliseconds
16:25<linbot>jed: -00
16:25<@jed>!newercalc 0.01367 * 1000
16:25<linbot>jed: -00
16:25<@jed>I can do it faster than that thing
16:25<HoopyCat>i can do urmom faster than that thing
16:25<Nivex>!newercalc 1 teaspoon in cubic lightseconds
16:25<@jed>that doesn't seem right
16:25<linbot>Nivex: 1.829x10^-31 light seconds^3
16:25<z8000>isn't it just hitting google?
16:25<ianneub>jed: you could ask wolfram alpha too
16:25<@jed>136.7 ms for light to travel from here to fremont?
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16:26<@jed>64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=124.264 ms
16:26<Karrde>superliminal packets
16:26<exor674>so internet travels faster then light?
16:26<HoopyCat>exor674: sssh
16:27<Nivex>how did you get the miles? road miles or great circle?
16:27<Nivex>!newercalc fremont, ca to newark, nj
16:27<linbot>Nivex: | distance | flight time; Fremont to Newark | 2545 miles | 4 hours 40 minutes; (assuming direct flight path at 550 mph)
16:27<ianneub>2547 is great circle
16:27<HoopyCat>jed: oh! 0.01367*1000 is 13.67
16:27<silverblade>!newercalc air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
16:27<ianneub>that sounds like wolfram alpha output actually
16:27<linbot>silverblade: there is unfortunately insufficient data to estimate the velocity of an African swallow (even if you specified which of the 47 species of swallow found in Africa you meant); (asked of a general swallow (but not answered) in Monty Python\'s Holy Grail)
16:27<@jed>oh, whoops!
16:27<@jed>har har
16:27<Nivex>!newercalc (2545 miles / speed of light) in milliseconds
16:27<linbot>Nivex: 13.66 ms (milliseconds)
16:28<Nivex>that's better
16:28<HoopyCat>jed: you owe my TI-30 a cookie
16:28<ianneub>!newercalc ping freemont, ca to absecon, nj
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16:28<linbot>ianneub: light in vacuum | 13.7 ms (milliseconds); light in fiber | 19.2 ms (milliseconds); (assuming direct great-circle paths)
16:28<Nivex>oh damn
16:29<HoopyCat>ianneub: wow, it even figured out the typo on fremont :-)
16:29<ianneub>lol thats awesome
16:29<silverblade>!newercalc average weight of a human poop
16:29<linbot>silverblade: urmom
16:29<silverblade>good answer.
16:30<HoopyCat>wolfram alpha is a very specific magic sauce... it does few things, but what it does, it rocks the world with
16:31<ianneub>ok so if the HA stuff in linode is just adding linodes and IPs to the same VLANs, then swapping an ip is roughly the same? just change which IPs are assigned to which VLAN?
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16:34<HoopyCat>ianneub: i'm not 100% sure how the mappings work under the hood, but there's LinodeIDs and IPAddressIDs... a linode can bring up the IPs in its list of IPAddressIDs
16:35<ianneub>HoopyCat: thanks for your insight into this. i really appreciate it. so this should prevent other linodes from ARPing my IPs right?
16:36<JoeK>is there any reason why normal linux users can download anything they want from the machine? -_-
16:36<Karrde>it's world-readable?
16:36<JoeK>.. -_-
16:37<JoeK>like ssh users
16:37<JoeK>i have no idea what that is
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16:37<silverblade>readable... by....the world.... ie, everyone
16:37<Karrde>your files are readable by
16:37<ianneub>JoeK: type in ls -lha
16:37<HoopyCat>ianneub: yup! (also note that the list of valid IPAddressIDs is checked and the filtering magic configured as part of the boot process, so adding IPs to a linode [private, public, or failover] won't take effect until a reboot, but you knew that already)
16:38<JoeK>-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2.2K Jul 29 20:37 site.add
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16:38<JoeK>i just edited it
16:38<JoeK>with 3 other users
16:38<JoeK>in /root
16:38<Karrde>ew it's even world-writeable
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16:38<ianneub>JoeK: thats not so good there
16:38<ianneub>HoopyCat: score!
16:39<ianneub>HoopyCat: ok last questions for now :) the private IPs, all linodes are on one giant VLAN right? so we have to becareful to firewall it
16:39<silverblade>so that means everyone and anyone who can log in to your system can edit and read the contents
16:39<JoeK>i dont get how the user "test" is able to edit any file he/she wants to
16:39<ianneub>or even delete them entirely
16:39<silverblade>JoeK: because the access rights you have assigned, give them permission to
16:39<HoopyCat>ianneub: they're just like the public IPs, except not routed beyond the datacenter
16:40<JoeK>i didnt give any user rights to /*
16:40<ianneub>HoopyCat: ah ok, but VLANs are layer 2, so you'd still have to check IPs either way
16:40<silverblade>ok what files are people getting?
16:40<JoeK>i only give the user access to /var/www/<their site>
16:41<silverblade>what files are you seeing them reading?
16:41<JoeK>this user went in /root
16:41<JoeK>he told me, thats how i found out
16:41<straterra>HoopyCat: Did your ipv6 die a bit ago?
16:41<JoeK>was able to do anything
16:41<HoopyCat>ianneub: you can be "reasonably sure" that the IP address on the other end of the private network is legit (the filtering is still in place there)
16:41<HoopyCat>straterra: yeah, but it's fine now
16:41<JoeK>they cant mkdir though
16:41<straterra>Just wanted to make sure it wasn't me
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16:42<silverblade>JoeK: ok and what are the permissions on /root ?
16:42<JoeK>drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4.0K Jul 27 06:53 root
16:42<JoeK>how do i change it? ;_;
16:42<silverblade>root can read and write, member of the root group can read the contents, and EVERYONE may access it
16:42<silverblade>*cue thunder clap*
16:43<JoeK>im the "ircd" user and i just created and edited a file in /root
16:43<JoeK>well edited .. :p
16:43<silverblade>ok thats a difference then
16:44<silverblade>that depends on the file permissions
16:44<ianneub>JoeK: this tutorial might help you understand the permissions
16:44<JoeK>how can i 'reset' everything?
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16:46<HoopyCat>JoeK: in general, if you find yourself typing "chmod 777", you probably don't want to
16:47<JoeK>every dir in / has "world-exec/write/reabale" ._.
16:48<silverblade>party on that linode
16:48<HoopyCat>JoeK: pretty much everything in / should be about 755, except /tmp which should be... 1777?
16:48<JoeK>should i go chmod 755 /* then? :+
16:49<HoopyCat>JoeK: i don't feel comfortable saying yes without a pastebin of ls -l /
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16:50<HoopyCat>JoeK: all of those are fine; the majority are 755 (user root read/write/execute, group root read/execute, world read/execute). don't change a thing there.
16:51<JoeK>ircd isnt in the root group
16:51<JoeK>and i can edit/read anythingh >_>
16:51<silverblade>doesnt need to be for world readableness
16:51<silverblade>every man and his dog can go read those files
16:52<silverblade>though the more canine of the pair probably wont be able to make much sense of it
16:52<HoopyCat>JoeK: you can read those directories, yes. shouldn't be able to edit the directories, though. you might be able to edit individual files depending on their permissions...
16:52<HoopyCat>JoeK: ls -l an example of the "anything" you can edit
16:55*silverblade mutters
16:55<silverblade>it appears pure-ftpd does not work on 64bit linux
16:55<JoeK>i guess the only *real* fix would be reinstalling the os?
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16:55<HoopyCat>JoeK: it depends on what the problem is
16:57<HoopyCat>JoeK: if /root/site.add is a representative problem, chmod 600 (or chmod 700 if it's executable) will cause others to not be able to read or write that particular file
16:57<JoeK>i dont want some people i webhost for
16:57<JoeK>to be able to look at my passwords in servers i host
16:58<silverblade>nom nom nom passwords
16:58<HoopyCat>JoeK: if it contains passwords, it should be chmod 600 (or 700 if it's an executable/directory), or chgrp to the web server's group and chmod 640 (or 750) if the web server needs to be able to read it (note: make sure it's not serving it out via HTTP...)
16:59<JoeK>whjat i do is
16:59<JoeK>i add an ssh user
16:59<JoeK>change his/her home dir to their dir in /var/www
16:59<JoeK>and work on from there
17:00<JoeK>ill make /home/ircd chmod 700 then
17:00<HoopyCat>msg -bitlbee hiveminder c Create a button on my phone that'll play the Benny Hill theme so i don't have to hum it all the time [due: tomorrow] [phone asterisk fail sysadmin]
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17:00<@jed>better: Spanish Flea
17:01*HoopyCat . o O ( comment this Put in some sort of sound effect whenever activity is detected in the current IRC window )
17:01<JoeK>how does that look?
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17:02<HoopyCat>JoeK: looks like noone'll be able to read or edit those directories (with the exception of ircd and, of course, root)
17:02<JoeK>what would i do to /var/www, since there should be no executables there
17:03<HoopyCat>JoeK: if you set a user's home dir to, say, /var/www/, by the way, make sure that's not where your web server is looking for content... make sure it's a subdirectory (like /var/www/, since there's some amount of dodgy stuff in user's home dirs (.ssh, .bash_history, etc...)
17:04<silverblade>s....scrobblebits? O_O
17:04<HoopyCat>JoeK: "executable" for a directory means the ability to "search" the directory, so /var/www should still be 755 (or whatnot) instead of 644
17:05<HoopyCat>JoeK: has no impact on the stuff underneath it, but a directory that isn't +x will act strange and weird (try it sometime!)
17:05<HoopyCat>silverblade: i have a random word generator
17:05<JoeK>i used to chmod777 everything
17:05<HoopyCat>JoeK: i believe that may be the source of your problem
17:06<HoopyCat>chmod 777 is like gouging your eyeballs out because you just saw it's the wrong solution to the problem, and, in fact, it creates a whole slew of other problems
17:06<JoeK>is there a way to block directory listings?
17:06<JoeK>like i can still go into /home/ircd and view files
17:07<JoeK>i see now
17:07<JoeK>it did O.o
17:07<straterra>HoopyCat: SOMEONE JUST WENT TO IT
17:07<straterra>Maybe a bot
17:07<HoopyCat>JoeK: chmod 700 /home/ircd :-) if noone else (other than ircd and root) need to access stuff under /home/ircd, that should do a bit of the trick
17:07<HoopyCat>straterra: i did, just to make sure i didn't typo
17:07*straterra cackles
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17:07<straterra>THE HITS POUR IN
17:07<HoopyCat>straterra: i also went earlier today to grab a copy so i could upload it as someone's profile in return for them using my e-mail address when signing up
17:08<straterra>And they keep coming in
17:08<tanto>anyone doing parallel processing?
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17:09<straterra>projectstfu # grep bra access_log | wc -l
17:09-!-f8_ [] has quit [Quit: rebooting server [foonetic signon: Sun May 24 04:45:49 2009]]
17:09<straterra>Oohh, some IPv6 hits too
17:09<straterra>Someone on ubuntu
17:10<@jed>i'm assuming you're tailing
17:10<straterra>I was
17:10<straterra>Now I'm just grepping through
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17:10<JoeK>cd www
17:10<JoeK>ls -l
17:10<JoeK>chmod 755 lvrcr
17:10<JoeK>wrong window
17:11<HoopyCat>straterra: i am Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/2009070811 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.12 FurryPack/2.1.1
17:11<straterra>Now someone is wgetting?
17:11<HoopyCat>straterra: if you'd like to filter me out
17:11<@jed>straterra: :}
17:11<straterra>2001:470:8b37:f101:230:1bff:feb1:f9f3 - - [29/Jul/2009:12:47:22 -0400] "GET /bra/100_0737.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 776061 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/2009070811 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.12"
17:11<@jed>watch --interval=1 wget
17:11<@jed>it's on like, 105
17:11<straterra>Oh yeah?
17:11<HoopyCat>huh, that's coming from inside the house
17:12*HoopyCat wanders down into the basement to trace the source of the packets
17:12<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:12<@jed>jsmith@cake:~$ ls -l 100_0737* | wc -l
17:12<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:12<HoopyCat>son of a bitch, forgot to replace the flashlight batteries... sure is dark down here
17:12<HoopyCat>(why am i still carrying this keyboard?)
17:12<straterra>jed: still going?
17:12<@jed>straterra: no
17:12<straterra>Did you stop it?
17:13<straterra>Start it up
17:13<straterra>I wanna test something
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17:13<@jed>i'll throw my stress test at it that I threw at couch earlier
17:13<@jed>how's that
17:13<straterra>If you want
17:13<straterra>What you were just doing works
17:13<@jed>empty terminal
17:13<@jed>what'd you do
17:14<straterra>I be in yer router..droppin packetz
17:15<HoopyCat>- url.redirect = ( "^/favicon.ico$" => "" )
17:15<HoopyCat>+ url.redirect = ( "^/favicon.ico$" => "" )
17:15<HoopyCat>oops ww
17:15<sullen>silverblade: :p
17:16<silverblade>boo! intellignet.
17:16<silverblade>damn morans
17:16<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:16<@jed>and cake.
17:16<HoopyCat>Yaakov: mpeg or it didn't happen
17:16<linbot>Yaakov: CPU fragmentation (37:0/0) [scesuxe]
17:16<Yaakov>Sorry, I tried to record it but there was CPU fragmentation.
17:17<HoopyCat>Yaakov: oh! well, better luck next time
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17:17<silverblade>i just sent a friend to tjsmom
17:17<silverblade>he sez... "why the heck would i want to see that"
17:17<Yaakov>By the way, "VESSLE" is a special spelling of "VESSEL" that is even better.
17:17<HoopyCat>silverblade: send a friend to tjsmom, win an enema for life
17:18<HoopyCat>s/enema/enemy/ # oops
17:18<silverblade>who needs friends when you can have enemas
17:18*sullen sends HoopyCat a colonic
17:18<HoopyCat>sullen: shaken, not stirred?
17:18<sullen>no, shaken :p
17:19<sullen>one of my girlfriends tried coaxing me into doing a colonic a few years ago
17:19<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Stir it, shaking it bruises the gin.
17:19<sullen>she lost a lot of weight it was crazy
17:19<Pryon>And chemically, that means what?
17:20<Pryon>"bruise the gin." What a crock
17:20<silverblade>I just eat lots of dried apricots
17:20<silverblade>I could gravel a path using its results
17:20<Yaakov>Pryon: It develops subdermal hematomas.
17:21<Yaakov>hemotomas, too.
17:21<Pryon>I'm gonna eat a bunch of juniper berries and pee in your canteen.
17:21<Yaakov>I fooled you, I don't have a canteen.
17:21<Pryon>You do now!
17:21<Pryon>look under your pillow
17:21<Yaakov>This canteen is full of noxious urine.
17:21<HoopyCat>sullen: i suppose there's nothing WRONG with it, but i'm really not the sort of person who would feel comfortable paying a third party for that, you know?
17:22<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Why are you so sure there is nothing wrong with it?
17:22<Pryon>Hey, if a person wants another person to shove something up their... Never mind.
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17:22<HoopyCat>Yaakov: i'm actually not that sure, considering my friend-who-recommends-it has to drive to toronto for it...
17:23<HoopyCat>gooooooooooooooooood evening welcome to #linode hercynium how are you today.
17:23<Yaakov>Hey, I've got a great idea for a prank. If any strangers join the channel, let's all pretend to be NORMAL and BUSINESS-LIKE, it'll be a hoot.
17:23*hercynium is feeling like a Hoopy Frood
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17:23<Yaakov>hercynium is very strange but he is no stranger.
17:24<HoopyCat>hercynium: dangit, i was hoping you'd change the subject
17:24<Pryon>Yaakov: you first!
17:24<DephNet[Paul]>Yaakov, what is this thing you are speaking of? business-like?
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17:25<HoopyCat>Yaakov: Welcome to #linode, America's Premier Supplier of Uranium and Uranium Accessories for the Veterinary Medicine Sector; my name is HoopyCat, how can I help you today?
17:25<Yaakov>DephNet[Paul]: It's kind of like the stuff on TV, in offices and like that.
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17:25<Yaakov>HoopyCat: That's a recording.
17:25<Yaakov>HoopyCat: You aren't fooling anyone
17:25<DephNet[Paul]>what is this TV you are talking of?
17:25<Pryon>DephNet[Paul]: jed had kittens earlier because some doofus was complaining about linode using IRC for support. Yaakov called him a megadouche.
17:25<hercynium>well, I'm always ready to discuss the finer points of WHY THE HELL DOES A BULK EXPORT TOOL LOAD 1.5GB OF DATA INTO MEMORY ONLY TO DUMP ABOUT 100MB???"
17:25<HoopyCat>Yaakov: Pardon me, I didn't catch that.
17:25<HoopyCat>hercynium: i wrote one of those! it's awesome.
17:25<Yaakov>Pryon: I did not.
17:25<Pryon>Check the logs, pal
17:25<Yaakov>Pryon: I would never use that term.
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17:26<hercynium>HoopyCat: luckily I'm getting schooled on the finer points on how *not* to use DBIx::SearchBuilder along the way
17:26<Pryon>shh! Business like
17:26<Yaakov>Pryon: I didn't say anything derogatory about him.
17:26<Pryon>Yaakov: I know.
17:26<HoopyCat>hercynium: oh god
17:27<HoopyCat>hercynium: *request tracker flashbacks*
17:27<hercynium>I've finally figured out how to make it log it's SQL queries, and I'm just going to retrieve the data I need and no more
17:28<hercynium>HoopyCat: indeed... I'm upgrading an RT 1.0.14 instance running on PgSQL 7.2
17:28<HoopyCat>hercynium: oh god
17:28<hercynium>to 3.6 running on pg 8.3
17:28<hercynium>it's not that bad.... I'm getting paid well to do it
17:28*Pryon eyes cpg in a business-lik manner
17:29<HoopyCat>hercynium: yeah, it's not that bad, but... well, i eventually did give up and move it to mysql, since i found (at least back then) it made better queries for mysql than postgresql
17:29<Yaakov>hercynium: Perlmonks was haxored.
17:29<HoopyCat>hercynium: we were around ticket #250000 at the time
17:29<hercynium>Yaakov: yeah, I saw
17:30<hercynium>I dunno what to say... everybody there knew that the passwords were cleartext
17:30<Yaakov>Well, I didn't have an account there.
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17:31<hercynium>Still, the admins are all competent people... but it was just something they never found the tuits to fix
17:31*hercynium wonders if would be better served hosting on a linode...
17:32<HoopyCat>my tuits are so square you can use them as a reference angle
17:32*hercynium balances his pictures with one of HoopyCat's tuits
17:33<hercynium>I do wonder if there's any better-regarded FOSS issue tracker out there
17:33<cpg>hi, i am interested in the linode 360 or 540, but i need more ram. i hear it can be added later. is the pricing for that available somewhere?
17:33<hercynium>(though I have my hands full with the other pieces of infrastructure I'm setting up there)
17:34<linbot>Available Add-ons: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP: $ 1 per IP/month
17:34<@caker>cpg: it's more economical to upgrade to the next plan (painless)
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17:38<Yaakov>cpg: It may also be the case that you do not need as much RAM as you expect.
17:38<Yaakov>cpg: If you haven't tried to live on a VPS you may not have tuned your servers/applications as well as is practical.
17:39<Yaakov>cpg: Plus, you get a seven day, no questions asked, full money backup try at it.
17:39<Yaakov>(Well, they might ask, "How could we have kept you as a customer, but they won't demand a reason for the refund.)
17:40<Pryon>unterminated string
17:40<HoopyCat>no questions asked for the *refund*, but questions probably asked *for the good of the empire*
17:40<Yaakov>BRAINO... s/backup/back guarantee/
17:42<Yaakov>You know, for the ~.67/day a 360 costs, you could just drink one less soda a day.
17:42<HoopyCat>a well-written, efficient, properly tuned application with the right mix of dynamic and static content should be able to fit in a 360. a queen-size box spring should also be able to fit up the stairs
17:42<cpg>Yaakov, caker. thanks. i know well what i need (i'm on a competitor). i am having io load issues. my load has no cpu usage, but it spends 50% of the time in wait cycles
17:42<cpg>i also need to provide for possible bursts in traffic or slashdotting
17:42<@caker>cool :)
17:43<cpg>so, we need to have more ram than 540. disk is more than fine with 24 and bw is ok with 300
17:43<HoopyCat>cpg: as long as you aren't actively hitting swap, you probably shouldn't be seeing that much i/o wait
17:44<cpg>i agree
17:44<tanto>cpg: i think i'm gonna go with 2-3 linodes for a little mini cluster / HA / failover setup
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17:44<cpg>unless we have been hacked, which i doubt we have, we should not much io
17:44<cpg>i think it's their implementation of the vps
17:45<tanto>perhaps, could be your stack setup
17:45<Smark>with SQL JOINS, if you combine them with a WHERE clause, are the JOINs only done after the entries have been filtere by where, or does it do the joins then only returns those who satisfy the where clause?
17:45<tanto>like if mysql is writing to disk a lot or something like that
17:45<@caker>Smark: the joins are done first
17:45<Smark>seems inefficient, thanks caker
17:45<HoopyCat>cpg: depending on what's using your memory (and how database-driven you are), some folks have had luck going with two 360s instead of one 720 and devoting one to the database server
17:45<@caker>Smark: in fact, I've taken to the practice of placing additional qualifications onto the JOINs themselves
17:45<tanto>smark you may be looking for a subquery
17:45<Pryon>'splain plans are your friend
17:46<Smark>what do you mean?
17:46<cpg>we have 3 servers (one phpbb, two RoR)
17:46<@caker>Smark: vs placing just the FK<->PK in the join, and everything else on the WHERE
17:46<tanto>hey are you using mod passenger for your ror?
17:46<cpg>HoopyCat: we do have mysql
17:46<Smark>ah, ok
17:47<cpg>we have about 2000 visitors a day to the 3 servers
17:47<cpg>not sure that ought to generate that much load
17:47<cpg>(io load, that is)
17:47<Yaakov>cpg: With the just-about-to-be-released API you'll be able to stand up a Linode in a few minutes on demand and drop it when the load drops.
17:47<cpg>i even switched from mongrel to passenger
17:47<tanto>cpg are you using rubyEE?
17:47<cpg>Yaakov: that's good to know
17:48<cpg>do you aldo have an api for the dns server?
17:48<Yaakov>cpg: The billing is pro rata.
17:48<Yaakov>cpg: Yes!
17:48<cpg>tanto: no, not rubyee
17:48<HoopyCat>cpg: i don't want to trivialize your traffic volumes, but... yeah, you shouldn't be seeing that much iowait :-)
17:48<Yaakov>cpg: A 360 is about 67 cents a day.
17:48<@caker>cpg: <-- very soon to get much love
17:49<Yaakov>caker: I am already loving it.
17:49<cpg> implemented a dynamic dns - we have about 800 clients for it
17:49<tanto>you'll see performance increases with rubyee :)
17:49<cpg>not too many frequent updates, tho
17:49<tanto>sometimes like 30%+
17:49<cpg>the only other issue is moving our mail server to a different IP
17:50<Yaakov>cpg: Well, today, Linode rebuilds zones on a 15-minute interval.
17:50<cpg>we have a fair bit of email volume and that took a lot to tunr
17:50<HoopyCat>cpg: it can take ~15 minutes for dns changes to go live across all the DNS servers, but aside from that the API does work for dynamic DNS stuff
17:50<pwnguin> /j #ubuntu-learning
17:50<Yaakov>cpg: But you could run something like nsd and slave the Linode servers.
17:51<HoopyCat>cpg: e-mail does do a surprising amount of I/O, but i'm guessing you're not in the "messages per second" range
17:51<cpg>are you guys staff?
17:52<HoopyCat>cpg: caker (and the other ops) are staff. we're just here for the free beer
17:52<HoopyCat>all... 285 of us. waiting patiently...
17:53<cpg>HoopyCat: when we sent a newsletter (once a month or longer), we do send batches of 150 messages per minute
17:53<cpg>volume is about 10000 in the newsletter
17:53<cpg>daily average is about 1000
17:53<cpg>so, it's not very high
17:53<cpg>it does run dkfilter
17:53<cpg>with all the trimings
17:54<Yaakov>cpg: You might considering capturing some peak traffic and feeding it to a test Linode for performance measurements.
17:54<HoopyCat>cpg: that's not too bad, and it's bursty enough
17:54<cpg>i might give it a try for a month
17:54<cpg>the adding up nodes on the fly is interesting
17:55<Yaakov>cpg: You will find that caker and crew are the best. If you have performance issues you'll get help.
17:55<cpg>if they had a private network between them for me to use mysql without using ssh between them, that would be good
17:56<HoopyCat>cpg: there's a network in each datacenter for just that purpose...
17:57<Yaakov>cpg: Those connections are not metered.
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18:06<hercynium>ok, in the interest of keeping my sanity, I'll let it load the data-set into memory... but the half-dozen extraneous queries generated per record are being bypassed for the greater good
18:06<JshWright>Hmmm... apparantly Alan Cox and Linus are no more...
18:06<hercynium>I think I just got a several-orders-of-magnitude speedup
18:07<hercynium>Devel::NYTProf++ :D
18:07<hercynium>JshWright: a divorce?
18:07<bob2>what do people use these days to restart shitty services (e.g. php as a fcgi server)?
18:07<hercynium>kill -9
18:07<hercynium>bob2: what's your web server?
18:07<bob2>er, to automatically restart them when they crash, ala daemontools or runit
18:08<bob2>hercynium: having a look at nginx atm
18:08<hercynium>so using an external fcgid
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18:09<hercynium>I'd go with daemontools, but that's because I don't know runit... however, daemontools is a PITA until it just 'clicks' in your brane
18:09<bob2>I'm using spawn-fcgi
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18:09<hercynium>a plugin for nginx? (I've never used that server)
18:11<Yaakov>I wish I was running Exim on my 'node instead of Sendmail.
18:11<Yaakov>Exim can even have embedded perl...
18:12<hercynium>I keep meaning to learn exim, but I haven't been a mail admin for several years now
18:13<hercynium>When I finally was able to leave sendmail behind I found postfix and never looked back
18:13<Yaakov>Well, I accidentally printed two reams worth of Exim 4 documentation today, so, for the sake of the trees, I need to learn it.
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18:14<Yaakov>But I am not going to be replacing Sendmail on my 'node any time soon. I *will* be using Exim on production servers, though.
18:15<Yaakov>It actually looks very neat.
18:15<hercynium>Let me know how it works fer ya. I was quite happy with postfix, though getting one's head wrapped around it's architecture can take some effort
18:15<Yaakov>The reason for Exim is that it is the default Debian MTA.
18:15<hercynium>(many little daemons working together)
18:16<Yaakov>I mean, I am happy with Sendmail, largely, but the configuration is insanity in a cup.
18:17<hercynium>me thinks you have a *very* big cup there
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18:17<hercynium>hehe... early on in my career, I took great pride in being able to decipher sendmail's configs
18:18<hercynium>soon after, I began writing perl code
18:20<Yaakov>I have been using Sendmail since about... err... 1995 or so.
18:20<Yaakov>Actually, I guess that's when I started with Perl as well.
18:22<hercynium>Like so many victims of PTSD do, I have erased all knowledge of sendmail configuration from my memory
18:23<hawk>sendmail configuration gives me nightmares... I stay clear of sendmail whenever possible :)
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18:27<Solver>hercynium: my old business partner wanted to charge a premium rate just for sendmail work :)
18:28<hercynium>Solver: as he should, if he's any good at it! If I knew COBOL, I would charge a premium as well!
18:28<Solver>hercynium: I was the sendmail guy :)
18:29<Solver>I earned good $ on sendmail :)
18:29<Solver>these days I prefer postfix :)
18:30<hercynium>I did a bunch of odd contract/consulting work in college, and as far as I was concerned I was getting paid great
18:30<hercynium>but then I stopped to go back to school
18:30<Solver>ah cool
18:30<Solver>studing IT/CS?
18:30<hercynium>never finished though
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18:31*Solver had fun at uni. good times :)
18:32<Yaakov>Multiveristies are so much better.
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18:34<brandonh>hey is the cpu utilization shown on the linode manager based on the % of a single cpu or all 4?
18:34<@caker>it's % of one CPU, so its range is 0-400%
18:34<Solver>Yaakov: only if I get to travel through the multiverse
18:35<brandonh>cool thanks
18:36<silverblade>sendmail is awful looking, config wise. Im sure it makes logical sense, i do have some minor dealings with it but postfix just feels a lot nicer to use
18:36<linbot>New news from forums: Brute force attack in General Discussion <>
18:37<Solver>silverblade: the config is amazingly powerful
18:37*Solver goes to the park to play with Amy
18:37<silverblade>im sure it is
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19:52<nachtkriecher>hey guys... im having dns problems
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19:56<nachtkriecher> is showing the default VirtualHost
19:56<nachtkriecher>so i guess it's vhost problems and not dns problems
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19:57<nachtkriecher>oh wait... nvm i got it
19:58<nachtkriecher>it's not accepting the www prefix
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20:01<nachtkriecher>oooh ooh i have another question
20:02<nachtkriecher>how can i send an alt-leftarrow interupt through ssh to irssi without causing "File" to be selected?
20:02<nachtkriecher>(using windows Secure Sheel)
20:03<jtsage>so, i have a really nice syntax hilighting editor for linux (vim :-P ) - however, vim under mac os x is annoying as hell (keybindings are all screwed up, among other things). anybody on a mac, and have a lead on something nice (GUI?)?
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20:04<Yaakov>jtsage: I use Komodo Edit.
20:04<Yaakov>˙ʇɟǝl-ʇlɐ-ʇɟıɥs ʎɹT
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20:06<jtsage>Yaakov- oooo. and it can emulate vi too. nice. thank you (i found something today - textsomethingorother - it was halfway decent, did a nice job of hilighting, but complete choked when i kept hitting ESC :w :q in quick succesion :)
20:07<Yaakov>jtsage: Komodo also does Win32 and Linux.
20:07<jtsage>i saw that - actually pulling the linux version right now to try out before i'm at work tommorow :)
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20:09<bob2>jtsage: is it vim or is it the terminal that is annoying you?
20:10<jtsage>really it's the terminal - but i didn't find a lot of alternatives....
20:10<@tychoish>jtsage: emacs?
20:10<jtsage>tychoish- not since college :)
20:11<@tychoish>jtsage: there's also a MacVim port to OS X which is. gui-ified, if that's your speed
20:11<@tychoish>jtsage: emacs23 is probably going to be released today. it's pretty swell
20:12<jtsage>i saw it (and installed it). it was alright. but if i already have to go the gui route to get something usable, it might as well have all the toys that a gui should have...
20:12<bob2>and has a native cocoa port, finally
20:12<@tychoish>jtsage: the guys really like textmate
20:12<TheJoe>k I can't get my head around iptables
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20:12<TheJoe>Need to disallow this IP too :<
20:12<jtsage>still working on fixing my home, end, and delete keys :)
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20:14<silverblade>Man. i never realised how weird the ProFTPD config file is
20:15<bob2>it's an ftp daemon
20:15<silverblade>nuff said?
20:16<TheJoe>iptables -A INPUT -s XX.XXX.XXX.XX -p tcp --dport 80 -j REJECT <--- am I right in thinking this stops "X" reaching port 80?
20:17<bob2>well, depending on the previous rules in the INPUT table
20:17<TheJoe>Ah well I haven't configured iptabbles whatsoever
20:17<TheJoe>In fact I forgot it was installed until I had to ban this guy
20:18<bob2>you can use 'iptables -L -v -n' to see the hit counter increase
20:18<Solver>TheJoe: that rule will send a response to the initating service. CERT recommends a DROP rather than a REJECT
20:18<Solver>I use REJECT for internal firewalls and DROP for external
20:18<TheJoe>Solver: Right
20:21<ericindc>Besides having the correct key setup on my local machine and remotely in authorized_keys, is there any further configuration needed to setup passwordless ssh.
20:21<TheJoe>Hah damn wrong IP looks like he's gone on a trip. Oh well. Have to wait for him to come back and try connecting again
20:21<ericindc>Trying to figure out why setup works fine on staging, but not on production. Is there a configuration difference?
20:21<bob2>ericindc: no
20:21<bob2>ericindc: use -v on the client and look at auth.log on the server
20:21<ericindc>bob2: ok, i didn't think so. yet our production server still asks for a password
20:21<ericindc>ok..let me give that a shot. where is auth.log located?
20:22<Solver>ericindc: try sshing to another a/c. see if it asks you for a password
20:22<bob2>ericindc: also make sure ~/.ssh/ on the server is rwx------, ditto authorized_keys
20:22<Solver>ericindc: /var/log
20:22<bob2>ericindc: /var/log/, with all your other logs
20:24<TheJoe>Ok what is a "chain" I need to delete a rule >.<
20:24<bob2>INPUT, etc
20:24<bob2>why are you blocking someone's dynamic IP?
20:25<TheJoe>bob2: I'm trying to block my own to make sure I got it right - now I know I do I can't figure out how to delete the rule... oh jow
20:25<bob2>-D INPUT ruleno
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20:27<TheJoe>Hm odd. If I block, loading the site will just hang. "Taking too long to respond"
20:27<TheJoe>Probably better that way anyway
20:27<bob2>that's wht DROP does
20:29<TheJoe>Lovely good to see hostnames work too x)
20:30<HoopyCat>TheJoe: they get translated to IPs for actual handling, so if the hostname starts pointing somewhere else, it won't pick it up
20:30<TheJoe>If I want to block an IP from all ports would I have to use ALL or * or something else?
20:30<bob2>don't provide --dport at all
20:30<TheJoe>HoopyCat: Ah so if he has a dynamic IP the hostname still won't be any good?
20:30<bob2>why are you doing this?
20:31<HoopyCat>TheJoe: it will get stuck in the annals of the kernel as an IP address.
20:31<TheJoe>bob2: I don't want him... bothering me.
20:31<bob2>uh huh
20:31<ericindc>bob2: thanks, it was perms.
20:33*Solver recommends the use of chains in netfilter (iptables)
20:34<TheJoe>'tis a predicament because apparently he does have a dynamic IP..
20:34<Solver>chains reduce the load on the firewall _and_ make the firewall logic simpler
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20:34<bob2>right, so iptables won't help
20:34<bob2>in what way is this person bothering you?
20:35*silverblade wanders in
20:35<silverblade>aw man, you're not trying to block 4chan yourself are you? :p
20:35<HoopyCat>TheJoe: you can specify a network instead of a specific host (e.g. instead of, although depending on how dynamic the IP is and how much collateral damage is possible, it might not be prudent
20:35<Solver>bob2: fail2ban is a tool that will block specific IPs if they are causing you problems
20:36<TheJoe>HoopyCat: Well I'm totally unsure if he has a dynamic IP or not, I'll just have to wait and see what happens....
20:36<Solver>it adds rules to iptables dynamically
20:36<bob2>Solver: indeed
20:36<bob2>however, I'm wondering what TheJoe is actualy trying to remedy
20:36<silverblade>trying to clog up the intertubes
20:36<Solver>bob2: yes I was wondering too. Let's clarify :)
20:36<TheJoe>silverblade hit the nail on the head. That's what he is. :D
20:36<TheJoe>It's personal
20:36<silverblade>just cut his balls off
20:37<TheJoe>I'm not psychotic and/or gay
20:37<HoopyCat>TheJoe: given a modest amount of force, the dynamicity of the IP address used to visit a web site can be greatly increased
20:37<silverblade>you been annoying the neighbours?
20:37<bob2>TheJoe: and the way this manifests itself on your server is ...?
20:37<HoopyCat>also, you don't have to be gay to cut someone's balls off, but it does help
20:37<TheJoe>bob2: Honestly. It's personal
20:37<TheJoe>I have my reasons
20:37<silverblade>no you have to be gay to cut them off and then suck on them afterwards like gobstoppers
20:38<silverblade>i'll stop there.
20:38<TheJoe>Please do
20:38<silverblade>ok so this fail2ban stuff
20:38<straterra>i LOVE gobstoppers
20:38<HoopyCat>silverblade: they don't taste like gobstoppers, though
20:38<bob2>TheJoe: lord
20:38<TheJoe>bob2: Indeed I am.
20:38<bob2>TheJoe: "so, what are you actually trying to block?"
20:38<bob2>randomly blocking isps isn't super helpful
20:38<TheJoe>bob2: Someone from accessing my server.
20:38<bob2>ok, nevermind
20:38<bob2>ll need to define your problem before you can solve it, though
20:39<TheJoe>Oh I can take care of it
20:39<Solver>in what way are they accessing the box? http, ssh?
20:39<HoopyCat>unfortunately, IP packets don't carry any sort of identifier as to who originated the packet
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20:41<HoopyCat>there was an RFC to add an evil bit, but it's not widely implemented yet
20:42<silverblade>oh yeah i read about that
20:42<silverblade>What would be super useful as well would be a way for a sender to identify themselves as a spammer or not, maybe via a "Spam:" mail header
20:44<HoopyCat>"DDoS attack packets are denoted by a special diffserv code point."
20:44<HoopyCat>well hell, so much for this null routing business
20:45<euphorik>that was an april fools joke
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20:45<silverblade>I'm also considering investing in TCP/IP over MIDI cable
20:45<HoopyCat>euphorik: never! there's no such thing. this is serious internet; these are serious RFCs.
20:47<Solver>remember to block the evil bit at your firewall
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20:47<Solver>now what was that RFC
20:48<Solver>oh HoopyCat beat me to it
20:48<Solver>I was away :)
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20:49<Solver>yes RFC is legit and FreeBSD implemented it
20:49<Solver>RFC3514 I mean
20:50<Solver>"If the bit is set to 0, the packet has no evil intent. Hosts, network elements, etc., SHOULD assume that the packet is harmless, and SHOULD NOT take any defensive measures.
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20:51<HoopyCat>holy crap it's the night of the four-character nicks
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20:59-!-hercynium is now known as fuck
21:00<fuck>best four letter nick
21:00<HoopyCat>fuck: alas, already registered.
21:00-!-fuck is now known as hercynium
21:00*path has been waiting a long time for this nick
21:01*hercynium needs to fix a stupid xchat plugin he wrote @ YAPC and is still running
21:02<Solver>ppl in the real world know me by my nick, so I'm glad I didn't choose 'fuck' :)
21:02*Solver has used this nick since 1994. He's old :)
21:03<path>so i'm confused by apt behavior. if i run apt-get locally on my workstation, it doesn't do the kernel. if i do it remotely via "ssh root@server apt-get update -y" it updates the kernel
21:03<HoopyCat>huh... if i run apt-get on my workstation, it does urmom
21:03<path>or could it have been the way i installed those packages on remote servers.
21:03<Solver>I don't believe I've ever seen that behaviour
21:03<HoopyCat>path: it might need dist-upgrade, although i don't think it does for me
21:03<path>i'm sorta new to the whole apt/dpkg stuff
21:04<path>see, i don't want to update the kernel right now
21:04<Solver>hold the packages
21:04<path>i just want to update the other stuff
21:04<path>but when i do want to update the kernel, then i need to unhold them
21:04<path>or explicitly install the updated ones
21:04<Solver>I though the kernel was held by default
21:04<path>that's pretty annoying honestly
21:05<Solver>it seems logical to me
21:05<path>well it's installing with "ssh root@server apt-get update -y"
21:05<Solver>if you hold it you need to unhold it to proceed
21:05<path>i wish there was a --ignore=linux-image\* type flag
21:05<HoopyCat>note that the current kernel upgrade is security; would that make a difference?
21:05<Solver>path: that's effectively what hold is, you can also pin packages
21:05<path>yea, but i need to schedule downtime for some hosts
21:06<Solver>the kernel is probably the most held package, for that reason
21:06<HoopyCat>path: (you mean apt-get upgrade -y, right?)
21:07<path>ok, so for the kernel.. what do i hold?
21:07<path>linux-image-server ?
21:07<path>or linux-image
21:08<Pryon>what's linux-image-server?
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21:08<path>what linux-image-2.6.24-24-server depends on
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21:09<path>so when i upgrade it'll be linux-image-2.6.24-25-server probably
21:09<Pryon>this is debian?
21:09<lhx_>path: learning the fun that is apt, eh?
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21:10<path>i came preprogrammed for yum/up2date sadly
21:10<erikh>does not compute
21:10<path>i guess i don't want to do too much trial and error..
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21:10<path>i only have so many nonproduction VMs
21:10<amitz>ooh, the server-desktop difference. The interesting of ubuntu. You should be able to choose whatever linux-image you want despite the version of other package, usually, recently.
21:11<arch3angel>hello i have some questions about one of the packages
21:11<Pryon>ask away
21:11<arch3angel>how hard is it to setup an email solution with one of these packages
21:11<Pryon>as easy as with any other linux box
21:11<HoopyCat>en route to dinner, someone was talking someone through yum update on the regional UHF network... i didn't hear much of it because i forgot to reinstall the antennas after washing the car (durrr), but there was clearly some of the ol' yellowdog going on
21:12<arch3angel>i have never done it in linux
21:12<arch3angel>thats why i asked to get an idea how hard it is
21:12<Pryon>arch3angel: with linode you get a minimal linux install and root access. The rest is up to you. The community support here is pretty good, though.
21:12<HoopyCat>arch3angel: and have a couple ways to do it
21:13<HoopyCat>arch3angel: there's a lot of different ways to do e-mail, and the hard part is usually deciding what you need and the software that does it best
21:14<arch3angel>we want a single email address to email a list of cell phones with alerts
21:14<arch3angel>we want to use linode to monitor our external links and email our phones if it goes down
21:14<lhx_>who do ya'll use for your domain registrar?
21:15<lhx_>and not godaddy
21:15<HoopyCat>arch3angel: no incoming e-mail, just outgoing mail to cellphones?
21:15<lhx_>never touching them again
21:15<arch3angel>yes no incoming and no relaying
21:15<daniel>lhx_: Namecheap all the way :)
21:15<HoopyCat>lhx_:, 'tho i keep one domain with godaddy for glue
21:15<Pryon>path: You might consider this (search for 7.12 and follow the instructions for dpkg unless you're using aptitude
21:15<lhx_>daniel: I'll check it out
21:15<path>so i wonder if "ssh root@server echo linux-image-`uname -r` hold |dpkg --set-selections" would work
21:15<lhx_>HoopyCat: thanks... i'll check it out too
21:15<path>i think uname -r would get done on the local host
21:16<HoopyCat>arch3angel: which linux distribution are you planning on using? you'll probably want to go with the "default" for your distro of choice, since it should set that up very automatically
21:16<arch3angel>deb prob
21:16<daniel>Has anyone been successful at getting R1Soft to run on their Linode? The installer can't find the source for the kernel, so I shot a ticket in and got a link to all of their kernel sources, now I'm just trying to figure out how to get this thing to work.
21:16<arch3angel>is deb 5 an option
21:16<arch3angel>then deb 5
21:16<HoopyCat>arch3angel: i'm pretty sure debian defaults to exim... i think if you install exim via apt-get, it'll debconf you all the way home
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21:17<arch3angel>makes my life easier to manage the linux servers if they are all the same :)
21:18<arch3angel>so during the install select email server and roll with it
21:18<HoopyCat>daniel: hmmm, what does it need the kernel source for, and what's it complaining about? sounds freaky
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21:19<daniel>R1Soft CDP operates at the block level, not the file system level, so it needs to load a kernel module into the kernel to perform the backups. It's a pretty cool system but a pain in the arse to setup sometimes.
21:19<HoopyCat>arch3angel: the debian installer part is done, so you'll get a booted system with almost nothing but sshd and apt-get... apt-get install exim4, i think it is, will get you there. or, apt-get install mailx (which gets you the "mail" command and thus requires a mail server with which to send mail ;-) is what i do when i forget
21:20<daniel>Exact error was: Checking '/lib/modules/' for kernel headers Could not find path /lib/modules/
21:20<daniel>quite a pain
21:20<arch3angel>does it allow me to do grsecurity
21:20<HoopyCat>daniel: ... well, i suppose that's one way to do it :-)
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21:20<HoopyCat>arch3angel: you can boot your own (xen-happy) kernel with pv_grub
21:21<HoopyCat>daniel: *think* you might have to drop a symlink from /lib/modules/2.6.blahblah/build to /usr/src/linux-2.6.blahblah/include (if i recall correctly?)
21:21<daniel>Still trying to get used to this sweet Linode panel :) First day... Loving it
21:22<daniel>Let's see if I can get that to work... Will have to extract this source into /usr/src first
21:22<HoopyCat>daniel: something i've found that works occasionally is compiling the kernel. not to boot it, of course, but to just kinda make the environment more normal
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21:23<HoopyCat>daniel: or, if your distro has a xen-aware kernel, you can try pv_grub to boot it and use your distro's kernel headers packages and all that. (there are pros and cons to this approach)
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21:24<daniel>I may try just compiling the Linode kernel and not booting into it and see if that works
21:25<HoopyCat>daniel: nod, the path of least resistance
21:25<daniel>I don't like extra work if I don't have to do it
21:26<erikh>that's why we do this crap in the first place!
21:27<HoopyCat>the ideal sysadmin does absolutely nothing
21:28<linbot>New news from forums: Can't get SSI working on Ubuntu 9.04 in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
21:29<HoopyCat>! people still use server-side includes ?!?!
21:31<daniel>o.O I remember those days!
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21:35<daniel>now, got the source where it needs to be
21:35<daniel>attempting r1soft again
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21:37<daniel> sending request for kernel module... completed successfully.
21:37<daniel>:) thanks much!
21:39<daniel>just manually compiled the kernel to get the source it needed in /lib/modules, and life is good
21:40<HoopyCat>now write down what you did and store it in a safe place should the kernel change down the road :-)
21:41<daniel>psh yeah... i have an entire network drive on my NAS with nothing but random txt files full of stuff like that
21:41<HoopyCat>... and make sure to back it up ;-)
21:42<daniel>of course ;) hence why I am installing R1Soft on my Linode, bit of a backup freak :)
21:44<HoopyCat>daniel: i would be remiss in my duties if i didn't mention :-) (now in free beta in all datacenters)
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21:48<daniel>yeah, i saw that earlier when I was doing some research about Linode before signing up... I am quite impressed so far, looking forward to a long journey :)
21:49<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, is it still "wait and see" on a ETA of the paid for backup service? although I will still be keeping my backup account too
21:51<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: When It's Ready (tm)
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21:51<HoopyCat>i.e. when bd_ deletes his tarpit of sparse files
21:51<DephNet[Paul]>thought it would be
21:51<bd_>that was on the beta cluster :(
21:51<daniel>Hey Paul, I saw your posts on WHT about Linode :) Thanks for the great suggestion! Love it
21:52<DephNet[Paul]>huh, suggestion?
21:52<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: it would be prudent to keep off-site backups going, too. however, the restore from the linode backup system is like silk
21:52<X-LP>would there be any reason why there is a gap in my linode graphs? the server wasnt restarted or anything
21:52<DephNet[Paul]>ahh, your the "where do you host your company site" dude?
21:53<HoopyCat>bd_: oh right nevermind
21:53<daniel>Well not really suggestion -- More of praises in an old review ;)
21:53<HoopyCat>X-LP: about... 15 hours ago, in newark?
21:53<DephNet[Paul]>ahh, i guess thats not you then daniel :P
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21:55<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, i know :P ive got 3 backup locations set up so far, then when i rejig my sites around i will be getting another Linode to act as a a hot backup, and the Linode Backups :P
21:56*DephNet[Paul] is quite paranoid about his data after his last VPS provider decided to delete his VPS as he "owed" them £2
21:57<X-LP>HoopyCat yeah
21:57<X-LP>couple hrs ago
21:58<X-LP>this morning
21:58<X-LP>around 5:30 servertime
21:58<daniel>Ouch, Paul... sound like me -- rsync backups to two locations and r1soft cdp... looking into this Linode backup to see how it is
21:59<HoopyCat>X-LP: the internet was borfed between dallas and newark, so the stats got dropped
22:00<X-LP>ah i see
22:01<DephNet[Paul]>Daniel, so far i have it set to rsync the data off to, our dedicated backup array in the office and a seperate dedicated backup array in the office over the road
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22:02<HoopyCat>daniel,DephNet[Paul]: i use backuppc on a PC at home, but i like to use that as more of an individual file restoration system with last-resort full restore capability due to slow uplink. the linode backupser will only restore a full image, BUT it's fast and immediately bootable.
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22:04<daniel>On any Win boxes here at the house I just slap Cobian on them and use Volume Shadow Copy and send them over to my NAS which is then backed up to a couple external hard drives and any "critical" data is also synced to an offsite location. On my Macbook I use Time Capsule
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22:04<HoopyCat>daniel,DephNet[Paul]: (and it backs up out-of-band in the middle of the night, like a ninja)
22:04<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so ugly Linode wouldn't go near her (827:0/2) [mmoru]
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22:06<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, my rsyncs backup in the middle of the night like a ninja anyway :P just not OOB, but then again, i dont use anywhere near the 200GB even WITH the rsyncs
22:07<DephNet[Paul]>but you cant have too many backups :P
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22:07<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: i do twice daily incrementals and weekly fulls, and you can definitely see it on the charts ;-)
22:08<daniel>anyone have a linode in fremont? considering grabbing another for some dev, curious how the network is over there
22:09<DephNet[Paul]>i only do weekly fulls to all 3 locations at the moment
22:09<DephNet[Paul]>^^^ daniel
22:09<HoopyCat>daniel: i don't personally, but merely for reasons of geography; i've heard nothing but quality, tho
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22:10<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: guess when backups are performed, win a prize
22:10<daniel>Yeah, I'm in Newark right now.. Will give it a shot
22:11<DephNet[Paul]>wow HoopyCat, thats quite a spike
22:12<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: i do rate limit the rsync to keep it from impacting my home network. that's, err, easier than running more ethernet cable so i don't have to piggyback the backup server off of my telephone i suppose...
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22:12<DephNet[Paul]>im rate limited by BT anyway
22:12<HoopyCat>pointy-clicky web interfacey changey stuff >> crawling around under the desk
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22:13<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: i still have 10Mb/sec pockets on the home LAN... a bummer when your WAN is faster :-/
22:14<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, i have a faster LAN than WAN
22:14<HoopyCat>i did too, back in the day
22:14<HoopyCat>unfortunately, DSL came around and there was a price/throughput war
22:15<DephNet[Paul]>my WAN syncs at 6Mb, useable is about 3Mb, LAN is >10Mb
22:16<DephNet[Paul]>well, i say usable is about 3Mb, thats between 3am and 3:15am, on a thursday and only if the wind is blowing toward the North Pole
22:17<DephNet[Paul]>otherwise its < 1Mb
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22:19<slowblues>hey, i just setup a linode today. im booting Ubuntu 9.04. it seems that i dont have iptables command. how can i get it?
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22:20<SelfishMan>apt-get install iptables
22:20<slowblues>root@li73-50:/home/derrick# apt-get install iptables Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Couldn't find package iptables
22:20<SelfishMan>assuming, of course, that you have already run apt-get update and that the package name really is iptables
22:20<slowblues>do i need to add a location to my source.list
22:21<SelfishMan>slowblues: just run apt-get update first (like I just said)
22:21<slowblues>ok, ill give that a swing. tx dude
22:23<DephNet[Paul]>hmm, should i learn RoR
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22:23<SelfishMan>DephNet[Paul]: please don't
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22:23<DephNet[Paul]>why not SelfishMan?
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22:24<SelfishMan>does the world need another RoR developer?
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22:25<daniel>mIRC acting up
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22:28<DephNet[Paul]>SelfishMan, it would more than likely be only for internal apps, kinda going off PHP and want to learn another language
22:29*Nivex just finished a small project in CherryPY
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22:37<jtsage>huh. playing a bit with jQuery. i'm usually 100% against any pre-canned web tools. but I have to admit, this is pretty slick.
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22:37<Solver>I figure Python and Erlang are next for me
22:41<linbot>New news from forums: Which FTP Server? in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
22:41<jtsage>Solver- just glanced, but what will Erlang do for me that <whatever> won't? (i.e. the 'why should I care about this' question)? :)
22:44<pharaun>Hey everyone :) I'm thinking of a linode 360 or 540, and i was wondering if the 360 is good enough for
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22:44<pharaun>an email server with spam filtering, and an vpn endpoint for unsecured airport wifi roaming, then an irc proxy, and several other misc services that i'll be using
22:44<pharaun>360 enough or should i go for a 540?
22:45<bob2>as long as the mail load is small enough
22:45<bob2>sa is a pig
22:45<pharaun>the 360 for email?
22:46<pharaun>i was thinking postfix + spam filtering, maybe ASSP? then an imap server for my blackberry to access email that way
22:46<pharaun>then some filtering stuff, and vpn (openvpn), wouldn't that be getting a bit high on ram usage?
22:47<bob2>note that you won't have push email then
22:47<pharaun>eh? about imap thing?
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22:47<bob2>does the blackberry support imap idle?
22:47<pharaun>iirc if the imap supports imap idle extension i think, i can get push, but even if its not push mail, i would be fine with it
22:47<pharaun>yeah i'm not sure but i recall seeing an app that does that i believe
22:48<bob2>openvpn uses little ram
22:48<pharaun>but even if its not push it still would be nice to check my non-berry email once in a while
22:48<pharaun>yeah i got openvpn on my router at home, but
22:48<erikh>you could.. always check it manually
22:48<pharaun>issue is its behind a res connection, aka crappy upload
22:48<pharaun>the imap idle support?
22:48<erikh>no, your mail :)
22:49<erikh>dunno, if my phone was going off constantly, i'd break it
22:49<erikh>frankly, I don't know how some people do it
22:49<pharaun>i guess i could go with the 360 then if its struggling then i can send off a support ticket to upgrade to 540
22:49<pharaun>erikh: haha my vibrate is off :)
22:49<bob2>polling smashes the battery too
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22:49<pharaun>so that's how i deal with it, the alarm and etc drives me insane so i turn all notification off, and just check the phone when i'm bored :)
22:49<erikh>yeah, i just fire up k9 (android mail app) when i'm on the train or something.
22:50<bob2>pharaun: what I meant was, "I use postfix + pile of antispam stuff + openvpn + irc proxy + random stuff on a 360 and it is ok", btw
22:50<pharaun>bob2: oh? awesome
22:50<pharaun>how's the memory usage and what distro do you use?
22:50<bob2>debian, alright
22:50<tanto>i need to reset my linode account manager password, but the email address i signed up with, my email is down
22:50<tanto>how can i achieve this :)
22:50<pharaun>erikh: haha same, soon going to get a job in the boston area so should have some time on the T to check email and etc :)
22:51<erikh>yeah, i'm here in philly on contract, moving over in 3 weeks permanently
22:51<bob2>average ~100MB of disk cache over the past week
22:51<bob2>so 260MB used
22:51<pharaun>bob2: hmm not too bad if it gets too overload should be able to afford the 540 np
22:51<bob2>puppet was a huge pig until I started running it from cron instead
22:52<pharaun>oh puppet? hows it?
22:52<pharaun>been eyeballing puppet to be honest
22:52<erikh>eh, ENOTENOUGHRUBY
22:52<erikh>I used to work on that project.
22:52<bob2>puppet is awesome
22:52<erikh>he implements an AST in pure ruby to parse the classes
22:52<pharaun>i got too many openvz container on my intel atom boxen at home, really need to get a config manager badly
22:53<jtsage>tanto - you'll need some love from support. support@ iirc. they should be able to get you fixed up. while you're at it, you might want to invest in a gmail account (they can forward by default) for just such an occasion :)
22:53<bob2>but requires reasonable amounts of ram.
22:53<cpg>where is the best place to ask questions about the api?
22:53<tanto>jtsage: my domain's email is hosted at gmail
22:53<tanto>err google email for domains
22:53<tanto>the problem is the DNS server for my domain is down
22:53<jtsage>ahh. gotcha. the hurts.
22:53<tanto>tell me about it
22:53<tanto>server went down last night too
22:53<Yaakov>cpg #linode-api
22:54<cpg>i'm looking at the ruby bindings and it seems like each update to an A record requires reloading the whole domain settings
22:54<tanto>not the server itself, it's the datacenter's network
22:54<pharaun>bob2: aha, yeah the openvz box got i think about 2 gig of ram the last time i check, been a while since i've logged on xD
22:54<bob2>erikh: I just assumed it was run
22:54<bob2>pharaun: tons
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22:54<cpg>awesome Yaakov
22:54<bob2>pharaun: it was unusable in 64MB of ram, slightly annoying on a linode 360 with lots of other stuff
22:54<pharaun>btw anyone got any recommendation for a DNS reseller that i can purchase a domain from for the linode
22:54<tanto>i need some help finding a solution. here's what i need to do: run some bash/perl scripts in a distributed parallel environment in order to does the processing quickly
22:54<pharaun>bob2: ah? all righty, thanks i think 360 will be fine for now :)
22:54<bob2>namecheap are lovely
22:55<bob2>except for the lack of ipv6 glue support
22:55<tanto>i'm looking for an open source app that will do that for me, any suggestions?
22:55<pharaun>register i mean xD
22:55<pharaun>i'm tired sorry
22:55<bob2>which probably << 1% of domain owners care about
22:55<tanto>pharaun: i use godaddy and network solutions
22:55<erikh>tanto: I *think* perl can interface with MPI
22:55<pharaun>tanto: ah thanks,
22:56<pharaun>just trying to figure out a good register, looked at dyndns, they supported a backup MX + domain
22:56<tanto>godaddy has good support, cheap domains, decent domain management web interface
22:56<SelfishMan>tanto: You may want to contact the issuers for any credit cards taht Netowkr Solutions knows about then and have the issue a new card
22:56<bob2>but then you have to use godaddy's website
22:56<Sarpy>My linode is not working and I need to get in and reboot it. The linode control panel will not let me in on an unverified ip address. To verify it I need to get an e-mail. To get an e-mail I need to reboot the linode which I can't do. How do I access the Control Panel now to do it?
22:56<jtsage>pharaun- i use domainspricedright - godaddy, with a different banner. never had a reason to need support, so I can't speak to that
22:57<bob2>Sarpy: support ticket
22:57<tanto>network solutions is expensive but my domain has been registered there since i got it, in 1998
22:57<tanto>i don't store my credit card w/ network solutions
22:57<SelfishMan>tanto: you can transfer domains you know
22:57<tanto>i know i can
22:57<SelfishMan>and it doesn't matter if you store it because they keep it anyway
22:57<Sarpy>I have to log in to get to the support ticket system but I can't on an unverified ip address
22:57<@caker>Sarpy: pm?
22:57<erikh>SelfishMan: heh, I almost set my dinner down to write that
22:58<pharaun>jtsage: ah thanks
22:58<pharaun>hmm looks like i'll have to poke around a bit on the register
22:59<tanto>erikh: can hadoop handle the distributing tasks?
23:00<erikh>oh, hadoop is that facebook thing, right?
23:00<tanto>hadoop is map/reduce
23:00<erikh>no idea. I guess it depends on what you want to do
23:01<erikh>MPI is a message passing interface.
23:01<opello>heh, by definition! :)
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23:01<erikh>opello: funny how that works :)
23:01<Sarpy>caker: Some help here would reallyu be appreciated. I need to get this Linode on line
23:02<@caker>Sarpy: I PMed you -- see the tab at the top?
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23:07<SelfishMan>caker: Do you guys do automatic reboots of crashed hosts or do you trigger them manually?
23:08<@caker>SelfishMan: returns to last state
23:08<SelfishMan>but what triggers the power cycle?
23:08<@caker>oh, the hosts themselves? Often it's a reboot via the hypervisor, but it really depends on the situation
23:08<@caker>we have everything on RPCs
23:09<SelfishMan>I typically see a forum post right as a host is brought back up so it looks manual but I've seen such fast response times that it almost has to be automatic
23:09<@caker>nah, we're fast
23:09<SelfishMan>if pingfail then rpc_reboot
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23:10<SelfishMan>so is the on-call pager passed on with a pack of stims?
23:11<bd_>Linode has enough employees to stagger sleep schedules by now, I'd think ;)
23:11<@tasaro>we're hiring as well
23:12<Solver>tasaro: I understand everyone is based in NJ, right?
23:12<SelfishMan>yeah, that relocation thing is an issue
23:13<@tasaro>Solver: correct
23:15<Nivex>if you ever decide to open a data center in NC or OH let me know :)
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23:16<@tasaro>Nivex: but the office is in NJ?
23:16<Nivex>no remoties, eh?
23:17<Solver>so if a box at a remote DC has a serious h/w issue do you send someone out?
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23:18<bd_>Solver: dial-up remote hands, of course.
23:18<bd_>by which I mean they fax a work order to the datacenter techs
23:18<gicque>hi all, anyone here knows how to do dns?
23:19<@tasaro>we have hot and cold spare hosts ready to go for any situation we could think of
23:19<Solver>bd_: ah cool
23:19<encode>tasaro: including shipping one to me, right?
23:19<Solver>the remote hands I'm used to doesn't normally involve opening a client owned box
23:20<amitz>situation like coffee spill
23:20<Nivex>gicque: lots of us. what's the prob?
23:20<@tasaro>gicque: this any help?
23:20<amitz>mountain dew spill
23:20<gicque>just having trouble wrapping my head around what i need to do.
23:20<Solver>tasaro: good to hear you have spares :)
23:20<gicque>i have a new linode and i have a domain registered at
23:20<@mikegrb>mmm cake
23:20<amitz>and cake spill
23:20<gicque>where do i make the updates to have my domain point to linode? at misk or linode?
23:21<@mikegrb>mmm cake
23:21<amitz>bob2: apocalypse by flooded by cake. lots of cake.
23:23<chequers><@tasaro> we're hiring as well <-- hire someone in a country 12 hours offset from you... like australia! ;)
23:24<@tasaro>and relocate them to NJ
23:24*chequers meant from the "and then you never need to be on call outside office hours again" perspective
23:24<tanto>my confluence and jira are down :( they're not at linode yet :(
23:24<@tasaro>gicque: that depends on where you host your DNS.. misk likely can do it, or you can use the Linode DNS Manager
23:25<@tasaro>chequers: you can keep your hours the same if you want ;)
23:26<amitz>hire me as #linode's clown, the unfunny version!
23:26<chequers>I was a night zombie for 3 months once, never again >_>
23:26<gicque>@tasaro misk hosts my dns. if i make the change at misk, what exactly am i changing? to us linode, does that mean i move my account from misk?
23:26<tanto>my other server is back online
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23:31<@tasaro>gicque: i'd point your domain's nameservers at us (at misk) and use
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23:36<gicque>@tasaro i've done the first part where at misk, linode is my dns server. now my domain isn't working at all. whois shows the update was propagated. byt linode isn't importing. always fails. on my previous hosting company (i'm moving hosts) i don't recall having all these issues
23:39<lhx_>don't you just hate it when you have about 40 ideas from a new domain... and they're all taken; and they're terrible sites?
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23:47<@tasaro>gicque: you need to create the zones in the Linode DNS Manager
23:51<gicque>got it now. thx tasoro. it works :)
23:51<@tasaro>you're welcome
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23:52<gicque>tasora, one last question: with this change, do i still need misk?
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23:54<@tasaro>well, i thought you said they were your registrar?
23:54<@tasaro>so, yes
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23:59<gicque>@tasora, yes they are. so linode is dns only, not registrar. got it. thx
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