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---Logopened Thu Aug 13 00:00:06 2009
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00:06<in_t4n>If you are addicted to irc you should look at that code
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00:07<Battousai>oh god i looked at it
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00:22<amitz>Battousai: what was it? just another joke or something pretty serious?
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00:28<Schroede1>oh, how nice
00:28<Schroede1>I finally get a wraith corpse, but it's when I'm already like 120xp from the next level anyway
00:28<Bohemian>anybody twitter here with a lot of followers who doesn't mind helping me out with advertising my site for a twat?
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00:32<wLk`>Noobs HAHAHA
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00:33<amitz>Bohemian: I'd suggest this awesome thing called amazon mechanical turk
00:33<Bohemian>amitz: what's that?
00:34<amitz>Bohemian: you can pay people as little as US$0.01 for tweeting your page.
00:34<Bohemian>just found it
00:35<Bohemian>interesting. can people actually make money off this?
00:35<Bohemian>or is it like elance and worthless for americans?
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00:37<Bohemian>amitz: have you used it?
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00:40<amitz>we have a naughty person coming in and out.
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00:49<SelfishMan>The best thread ever has been updated?!?!
00:49*SelfishMan investigates
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01:03<Smark>how can I run a command and dismiss it from the console in one command? IE sent it to screen and close the screen in the same command?
01:04<amitz>Smark: append '&' without quote at the end of your command.
01:04<amitz>oh sorry, forgot the 'nohup' at the beginning of the command.
01:05<amitz>if I understand your question right.
01:05<Smark>now it doing all kinds of stuff
01:05<Smark>oh well
01:05<amitz>notes that nohup will direct the output to a file.
01:05<Smark>ran the command with just the &
01:06<Smark>nohup command &
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01:07-in_t4n:#linode-Download psyBNC f0r !w1ndoze! LOL Here:
01:07<in_t4n>heh nice software here
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01:07<amitz>Smark: that's what I mean, if I get your question right.
01:07<Smark>i'll give it a try
01:08<Smark>its doing what I want, thanks amitz
01:09<amitz>np, it feels good to help :-).
01:09<Smark>i think nohup.out is going to be very large though
01:12<Smark>I ran "rm nohup.out" while the command was running... doesnt appear to be complaining
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01:17<SelfishMan>Smark: To run it in a screen session and detach immediately is pretty easy
01:17<SelfishMan>screen -dmS newname rm -rf /home/urmom/furryporn
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01:23<Smark>/home/urmom/furryporn: Permission denied.
01:25<reillyeon>No... save the furry porn!
01:27<reillyeon>Gross, wrong furry porn.
01:28<reillyeon>Of course, in the spirit of fareness I have to acknowledge that at least 1 person probably finds that attractive.
01:29<SelfishMan>Allegedly the person that took it
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01:41<auzigog>Are any programs that help with intrusion detection (or prevention)
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01:42<Smark>about the only thing you'll find are like log watchers I think... IE a program might watch auth.log for suspicious activity and notify you
01:42<Smark>But I havent been doing this long :)
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01:44<Smark>brb reboot
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01:59<amitz>oh, I set Canadia!*@* to ignore. Can someone remind me who that person is?
02:05<@pparadis>amitz: if you bothered to ignore, you probably don't want to know.
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02:06<amitz>pparadis: good point.
02:08<moon_unit>all my servers dropped out at once about 30 minutes ago.
02:08<moon_unit>they respond to ping and ssh just fine
02:09<moon_unit>but any http request times out
02:09<@pparadis>what's your username?
02:09<@pparadis>wait one
02:09<auzigog>I'm curious about this guide on the linode wiki. ... Why would using less memory for MysQL make it go faster... It seems like the cache is THERE to make it go faster
02:09<@pparadis>mysql doesn't go very fast when your linode is swap thrashing.
02:10<@pparadis>in fact, nothing does.
02:10<@pparadis>and mysql/php/apache issues are at the top of the list for memory consumption issues usually.
02:10<@pparadis>btw, the wiki content is not necessarily accurate.
02:10<@pparadis>that's why we launched the library.
02:11<@pparadis>(the wiki will be undergoing some fairly heavy changes starting this weekend).
02:11<@pparadis>note that we didn't write a lot of what's in the wiki.
02:11<@pparadis>moon_unit: hang on
02:12<@pparadis>moon_unit: do you have a couple of test URLs I can try to hit?
02:13<moon_unit>sb1 through
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02:14<@pparadis>We've been notified about this issue and we'll take a look at it shortly.
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02:15<moon_unit>we're back up, thanks!
02:15<SelfishMan>auzigog: One of the most common problems with mysql is bad indexes or poor table design
02:16<SelfishMan>another very common problem is "tweaking" settings without knowing a damn thing about them
02:17<@pparadis>reading the references for what each setting does and thinking about how it will impact your particular application is essential.
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02:18<@pparadis>SelfishMan is right; there is no "magic formula" for tuning anything. application-specific requirements just vary too much for that to be remotely practical.
02:19<SelfishMan>Personally, I think the various mysql tuning apps are even worse. There are two major ones and they give conflicting advice that most of the time seems to hurt performance
02:19<@pparadis>i've always found it's better to think my way through what an application needs to do with the database, tune things individually and watch performance under load as i play with things.
02:20<@pparadis>but i don't think most people want to do things that way; they want an instant answer to fix their performance issues.
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02:22<@pparadis>is connect/disconnect spam this the new trend in #linode?
02:22<@pparadis>imma gonna start banning
02:22<SelfishMan>pparadis: It's someone pushing some IRC bot/hack type thing
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02:28<rainman`>pparadis, most people should just never have touched sql in the first place
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02:33<@pparadis>rainman`: i can agree with that.
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02:35-MICHEL--047:#linode-heh nice software here
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02:36<opello>*sigh* this spam is getting annoying ... silly tj is sleeping
02:36<Battousai>you got a problem with nice software?
02:36<opello>yes :p
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03:00<@mikegrb> /msg operserv akill add *@ This host violated network policy. Mail if you have any questions.
03:00<@mikegrb>er hi
03:01*StevenK chuckles
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03:04<@pparadis>mikegrb: why are you awake? :)
03:05<StevenK>pparadis: Why are you? :-P
03:05<@mikegrb>because hospitals suck m'kay
03:05<@pparadis>roger that
03:05<@pparadis>NJ sucks for carry permits. lotsa hassles.
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03:33<dioz>why are you guys awake?
03:34<@pparadis>LINODE NEVER SLEEPS
03:34<@pparadis>IT WAITS
03:34<dioz>me either
03:34<rainman`>so, when are we restricting the use of sql to people with a license?
03:35<SelfishMan>We all know that there was just a massive kegger at the Linode office and the beer just ran out
03:35<@pparadis>heh, i could model the application for SQL use rights after NJ's hangun carry permit process.
03:35<dioz>do we all know this?
03:35<megatron27>"A cut in the Asia-Pacific Cable Network 2 (APCN2) undersea submarine cable crippled connection speeds for users in the Asia-Pacific region on Wednesday, particularly in Singapore and the Philippines"
03:35<SelfishMan>megatron27: old news
03:35<dioz>new news
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03:38<megatron27>with twitter, news becomes old quickly
03:41<SelfishMan>This is 24 hours old
03:41<SelfishMan>give or take
03:41<amitz>megatron27: but it seems twitter is too occupying?
03:42<megatron27>amitz: too occupying? what do you mean?
03:42<megatron27>I can't get enough of Radiohead!
03:43<@pparadis>it's like wikipedia, only worse for some poeple.
03:43<megatron27>I use Twitter for "nice to know but I won't matter if I miss it" stuff
03:43<megatron27>it won't matter***
03:44<amitz>pparadis: exactly. The perverse obsession of wanting to get the latest update on irrelevant subjects.
03:45<megatron27>I suppose Twitter addiction won't occur in people who lived through the RSS years...
03:46<megatron27>heh, I remember how I used to live in my RSS feed reader back in 2004-2005....
03:46<@pparadis>or even the newsgroup years for that matter.
03:46<@pparadis>or the dial-up BBS years.
03:47<megatron27>you're old
03:47*pparadis still misses the Atlanta Lights BBS
03:47<@pparadis>megatron27: i'm not _that_ old, i kinda started early.
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03:55<chris21>anyone using ubuntu jaunty?
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03:57<@pparadis>chris21: what would you like to ask about?
03:57<James>Ive just created another partition with a nix on it, and bought a second IP
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03:57<Guest353>how do I now get the first nix to work with the original IP and the second with the 2nd IP>?
03:58<@pparadis>are you saying you created two configuration profiles for a single linode?
03:58<Guest353>Im running a site on one already, and half for a number of months
03:58<@pparadis>you can only boot one configuration profile at a time.
03:58<@pparadis>they will both have the same networking information.
03:58<Guest353>but just finished developing a second site, and want to laucnh it on the second config
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03:59<Guest353>i see, ten whats the point of having 2 ips?
03:59<@pparadis>there's lots of points to having two IPs.
03:59<@pparadis>namely, things like SSL that require a unique IP.
03:59<Guest353>I see
03:59<Guest353>so, the only way to get the second site to work, is to buy another linode?
03:59<@pparadis>are you aware that you can host as many sites as you like on a single IP using name-based hosting?
04:00<Guest353>Ive never tried that, but I also develop my stuff in Prolog, and eveyr time i try to launch 2 sites, the second crashes
04:00<Guest353>its not lamp
04:00<@pparadis>it doesn't have to be.
04:00<Guest353>I use distributed prolog, for fault tolerence
04:00<@pparadis>are you familiar with name-based hosting?
04:01<Guest353>No, I am not, Ill read up on that.
04:01<@pparadis>that should get you going in the right direction :)
04:01<chris21>question: using the command line with my brand-new ubuntu jaunty (logged in as root), I'm unable to edit the file when i type the command "visudo".. at my old host all i had to do was modify the file then hit ctrl x and confirm the changes
04:01<chris21>so, what's my problem?
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04:02<@pparadis>are you familiar with nano?
04:03<chris21>do i need to type 'nano visduo'?
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04:03<@pparadis>no, just "nano [filename]"
04:03<@pparadis>(logged in as root)
04:04<@pparadis>you don't have to use "sudo" when you're logged in as root.
04:04<chris21>so i take it 'visudo' is not the actual filename
04:04<@pparadis>that's a program name.
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04:05<chris21>is the filename to add a user '.sudoers.tmp.swp'?
04:05<chris21>sorry.. i'm pretty noobish
04:05<Guest353>should I just get another linode perhaps pparadis, if i expect that the site might have a high userbase?
04:06<@pparadis>Guest353: that depends entirely on your configuration, the size of your current Linode, etc. there are a lot of factors.
04:06<@pparadis>chris21: np
04:07<Guest353>ill just get antoher linode then, then the 2 can run in paralle, and I wont have to deal with name based hosting, and I can spawn a db on both machines, and let the site send the data to both dbs, then if one crashes, the other can take over
04:07<@pparadis>that sounds like a good config.
04:08<@pparadis>when you get the second linode, feel free to open a ticket to make sure it gets hosted on a different physical machine, different RPC, etc.
04:09<Guest353>ok, thanks.
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04:19<Guest353>pp what do you do, you a sis admin?
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04:37<purplenurple>I have a ? regarding my new linode
04:37<purplenurple>I'm confused w/ the config profiles and disk images
04:37<@pparadis>how can we help you?
04:38<purplenurple>am I able to run more than 1 at a time
04:38<@pparadis>only one configuration profile may be booted at at time.
04:38<@pparadis>you can, however, add another linode to your account.
04:38<purplenurple>so whats the point of limiting memory/disk usage on those or does each one count towards the total even if it's not active?
04:39<purplenurple>sorry not mem usage .. i guess just disk usage
04:39<@pparadis>your memory is assigned to your linode. you can split up your disk allocation any way you like (multiple disk images mounted to different mount points or assigned to different config profiles).
04:40<@pparadis>you can resize images, clone them, etc.
04:40<@pparadis>have you had a look at this site? -->
04:40<purplenurple>haven't been to that one yet ... thanks
04:40<@pparadis>you're welcome :)
04:41<dioz>freebsd or debian?
04:41<@pparadis>i'm actually about to push a new document out that serves as a good demonstration of the usefulness of multiple config profiles.
04:41<@pparadis>dioz: i <3 debian
04:42<@pparadis>i've been a fan for a long time :)
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04:42<dioz>so tunneling my WoW.exe traffic through my linode dropped my latency by 100
04:42<@pparadis>that's kinda funny :)
04:43<@pparadis>dioz: which DC are you in?
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04:43<dioz>dallas something
04:43<dioz>178 or something
04:43<@pparadis>ThePlanet ftw :)
04:44<@pparadis>go go gadget production migration...
04:45<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Copying a Disk Image Over SSH <>
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04:48<@pparadis>people still reboot?
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04:49<SelfishMan>blognewb reboots every few hours
04:49<@pparadis>so noted.
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04:51<megatron27>pparadis: there's a Ubuntu/Debian bias in the Linode Library
04:52<megatron27>so I might movee over to Ubuntu
04:52<@pparadis>there's an ubuntu/debian bias in our customer base :). see
04:53<megatron27>based on those stats you guys are ripe for an acquisition
04:54<@pparadis>why would we want to be acquired?
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04:54<megatron27>big payday
04:54*pparadis shrugs
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04:56<megatron27>not motivated by money?
04:56<@pparadis>personally, i've never been very motivated by money.
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04:58<encode>caker doesn't seem like the type that would want other people telling him what he can and can't do
04:59<@pparadis>i would agree with that observation.
04:59<@pparadis>he built this company and it's profitable. that's a heck of an accomplishment. it's also the only place i'm interesting in working.
04:59<purplenurple>i'm looking through my node(centosx64) and I see alot of duplicate packages .386/x64 ... is it o.k. to remove the i386
05:00<purplenurple>and exclude them in yum.conf
05:00<encode>purplenurple: are you running 64 bit?
05:00<@pparadis>are you runnning 64-bit for any particular reason?
05:00<@pparadis>as in, do you have an application that requires it?
05:00<megatron27>I have no idea what I am talking about.....
05:00<encode>is there a linbot trigger that explains the badness of 64 bit?
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05:00<@pparadis>yeah, trying to remember it.
05:00<purplenurple>no reason, I've always used 386 before
05:00<@pparadis>oh hai
05:01<@pparadis>what it boils down to is this: 64-bit is a big waste of memory.
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05:01<@pparadis>we offer both, but recommend sticking with 32-bit unless you have a good reason to run 64-bit.
05:01<reillyeon>It's worth it if you have enough memory, but not many of use have 14440s.
05:02<purplenurple>not really, I'm just running nginx/postgres/git
05:02<@pparadis>i'd honestly question the worth on a 14400.
05:02<@pparadis>purplenurple: you'll be fine with 32-bit.
05:02<@pparadis>and you'll use less memory.
05:02<megatron27>sometimes I wonder how much fault tolerance you need, 37signals said that they spent their first year of operation on a single server....
05:03<encode>64bit belongs in the realm of huge database servers and other memory-hungry apps that benefit from being able to allocate more than 4GB of ram per process
05:03<megatron27>and they're using Ruby which is no speed daemon either
05:03<@pparadis>encode: true
05:03<reillyeon>encode: It's a better instruction set too.
05:03<dioz>my mom is a speed demon
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05:03<purplenurple>pparadis, thanks .. i'm switching over now
05:03<@pparadis>megatron27: you need as much (as little) fault tolerance as you can get away with for your business requirements :)
05:04<rainman`>megatron27, fault tolerance is not needed until it's needed
05:04<rainman`>i've seen many people getting extremely upset over the vaserv messup
05:04<rainman`>they had no backup at all, didn't think they'd need it, and they didn't until all went bad
05:04<@pparadis>reillyeon: unless you're crunching through huge scientific datasets or doing crazy data warehousing you're not going to see a performance difference.
05:04<megatron27>I don't know why I brought that up ...
05:04<rainman`>and then their customers ran away
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05:04<@pparadis>ah, backups. nobody wants to think about them until it's too late.
05:05<megatron27>same with security
05:05<encode>the thing about backups.... most people configure them and never test tehm
05:05<@pparadis>yep again
05:05<@pparadis>i've seen a couple of TB of data lost that way at an old gig.
05:05<dioz>do you test a condom before you get on with the deed?
05:05<purplenurple>what do you do for backups here ... i've got a server at pgrmr I was thinking about using and possibly using amazon ... any ideas
05:06<@pparadis>a lot of people like rdiff-backup
05:06<@pparadis>(such as me)
05:06<rainman`>i was also surprised how long it took for people to start their backup plans after their primary VPS went down
05:06*encode uses the post-important-files-to-usenet method
05:06<rainman`>instead of just hiring something else after 12 hours of downtime, they kept complaining for days and losing customers
05:06<@pparadis>you can also clone your disk images in the Linode Manager. you could even download a disk image over SSH.
05:06<megatron27>encode: once we were using Veritas to backup a Subversion repository and we would rotate backup media every 4 weeks, no one noticed that for 4 weeks Veritas failed to copy a file because it was on a bad sector :-)
05:07<@pparadis>that's hot.
05:07<megatron27>once we discovered it, it was too late, Subversion needs all the history to work
05:07<@pparadis>what's not funny at all is when backups are useless in a DOD environment. people get kinda mad.
05:07<megatron27>well we basically lost our history and whatever wasn't in the working copies
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05:08<rainman`>megatron27, hg!
05:08<megatron27>we only noticed it when a developer was trying to checkout a new working copy :-)
05:09<megatron27>rainman`: <3
05:09<@pparadis>"The backup procedure works fine, but the restore is tricky!"
05:09<encode>If I know it wasn't going to work, I would have tested it sooner. <-- nice!
05:10<rainman`>if linode would suddenly lose a lot of data, i'm sure there'd be hundreds of very angry customers claiming linode destroyed their business
05:10<@pparadis>"Why did it say '/bin/rm: not found'? "
05:10<encode>i have a funny story to tell in this context. Application deployment, subject matter expert won't actually test the application until it's verified (by us) to be working
05:11<encode>how the heck do we know if it's working? that's why he's the subject matter expert!!
05:11<@pparadis>rainman`: true. but that's true of anyone in this business. that's what the TOS is for.
05:11<@pparadis>encode: hawt
05:12<@pparadis>what you need there is a subject matter expert for your subject matter expert.
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05:13<encode>or just a SME that isn't so lazy
05:13<megatron27>wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I ran Linodoe...
05:14<@pparadis>he's not lazy, he exercises professional caution in a due-diligence effort to prevent unanticipated factors from disrupting your organization's synergistic workflow paradigm.
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05:14<encode>pparadis: you've been in IT for too long
05:14<@pparadis>that is quite possibly true.
05:15<vegarl>Hello. What is your "Host load" in "Dashboard" based on?
05:15<megatron27>sounds like the Dilbert mission statement generator to me.
05:16<@pparadis>nah, it's a combination of IT and U.S. Navy experiences.
05:17<encode>and exposure to far too many business analysts
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05:17<@pparadis>i once told a LT his eyes were turning brown after hearing something resemble the above come out of his mouth.
05:17<@pparadis>appending "sir" of course.
05:18<@pparadis>actually, i didn't say that. i used more colorful language.
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06:03<checkers>i wish slow shared hosting was banned so websites loaded faster
06:06*pparadis goes to fix the internets.
06:06<@pparadis>checkers: let's get started. please have all shared hosting customers move over to Linode within the next 48 hours :).
06:06<purplenurple>checkers, i just had an disagreement with a guy today who thinks shared hosting is absolutely great
06:07<purplenurple>i wanted to shoot him for so many reasons
06:07<@pparadis>of course, checkers will be providing critical migration assistance and system administration instruction for all these folks ;).
06:09<@pparadis>purplenurple: some people honestly can't handle a VPS. this typically happens when they (1) don't understand the difference and cannot be taught, (2) don't have any drive to learn enough about administration to manage their own setup, or (3) [related to 2] don't want to pay someone else to do things right.
06:09<megatron27>they need a cpanel vps
06:09<@pparadis>that's a terrible idea, and you know it :)
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06:10<@pparadis>control panels are great for folks who already know what they're doing and are willing to accept the risks associated with letting someone else's program manage their system (and potentially break it).
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06:10<@pparadis>not so good for people who are destined to freak out when stuff breaks.
06:14*encode breaks pparadis' freak out
06:14<linbot>New news from forums: 2 seperate websites on 1 linode? in General Discussion <>
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06:16*pparadis freaks out again
06:18<megatron27>things break with cpanel?
06:19<@pparadis>i've seen some pretty impressively jacked up cpanel boxes.
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06:19<purplenurple>pparadis, I agree... I just don't like shared hosting too much because it usually means I have to fix it ... this guy I was talking to is a fellow programmer. it escapes me how someone who works in the same field as me doesn't know what ssh does or how to setup a basic server. As for clients on the other hand Google apps solves many of those issues
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06:21<@pparadis>programmers frequently don't have much exposure to system administration, actually. then again, there's a lot of people calling themselves "programmers" who probably shouldn't.
06:21<megatron27>something like like Rackspace Cloud might be helpful, where supposedly you just worry about the application and they work on the hosting
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06:21<megatron27>but I might be drinking their marketing kool
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06:21<@pparadis>i guess it would depend on the requirements. i've never been comfortable with another company managing my server configuration.
06:21<megatron27>Rackspace Cloud Sites
06:22<@pparadis>and that's going to inevitably incur restrictions on what you can do.
06:22<@pparadis>the mikegrb cloud is FLOATING DEATH
06:22<purplenurple>what is the mikegrb cloud?
06:23<@pparadis>you'd know it if you inhaled it.
06:23<Yaakov>The days when it is visible... and green... well, mothers cry on those days...
06:23<@pparadis>GET WIRED
06:23<Yaakov>YOU'RE FIRED
06:23<@pparadis>NEGATIVE, SHIPMATE.
06:23<megatron27>what is with people who read WIRED?
06:24*pparadis is gonna swab Yaakov's poopdeck.
06:24*megatron27 understands enough to know that that is TMI
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06:25<@pparadis>hey, Sailor!
06:25<megatron27>I feel better after kicking my table a few times
06:25<megatron27>now for more Radiohead
06:25<@pparadis>The Bends FTW
06:26<megatron27>pparadis: do you take the night shift at Linode?
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06:26<@pparadis>i take the [insert 14 hour period somewhere] shift at Linode.
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06:28<Yaakov>I misread that... and it would have been a VERY long one...
06:28<@pparadis>oh heavens!
06:29<Yaakov>pparadis had to go to sea on subs because he gets seasick.
06:29<scorche>boxxy love?
06:29<@pparadis>nah, it's just a lot of fun sliding down a missile compartment during angles n' dangles.
06:30<HoopyCat>that's what she said
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06:36<megatron27>!563 Mbits/sec * month
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06:37<linbot>megatron27: You broke teh goog!
06:38<megatron27>176 terabytes according to google
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07:38<MsMimi>anyone on?
07:39<rainman`>we've all been killed by a gamma blast
07:39<rainman`>i'm the last remaining bot
07:39<MsMimi>do you guys know the command for debian that shows the name of your database?
07:40<rainman`>i'll become self-aware in 12 hours
07:40<rainman`>what database?
07:41<HoopyCat>MsMimi: hmm... like, whether you have postgresql or mysql or some other database server installed, or the name of a particular database within your database server, or...?
07:41<MsMimi>I forgot the name of my mysql and the password
07:42<HoopyCat>that's no gouda
07:42<MsMimi>the name of a particular database within my server
07:42<MsMimi>i'm trying to backup my mysql
07:43<MsMimi>but I don't know how
07:43<MsMimi>first time
07:43<HoopyCat>they're stored in directories off of /var/lib/mysql, so ls -l /var/lib/mysql will see 'em
07:43<MsMimi>ok i'll go check
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07:44<MsMimi>ok cool
07:45<MsMimi>now how do I know the username and pw?
07:46<Kerem>if you forgot your mysql root pass ->
07:46<HoopyCat>usually mysql will have a superuser username/password (username is generally "root" and password is set during the installation)
07:47<BarkerJr>this is why I don't set a root password... they're too hard to remember
07:48<MsMimi>oh thanks
07:48<MsMimi>so password is the one I am using to logon to root?
07:50<BarkerJr>not your ssh password
07:50<HoopyCat>MsMimi: mysql's root password and your system's root password are not necessarily the same. (two different accounts, two different subsystems, same general "superuser" concept though)
07:50<BarkerJr>it may be different
07:50<MsMimi>oh ok
07:50<@pparadis>MsMimi: have you seen this? -->
07:51<@pparadis>and BarkerJr made me choke on my coffee re: root password.
07:51*pparadis steps out for a moment.
07:51<MsMimi>pparadis I have not seen that
07:51<BarkerJr>well, I do ACL mysql root to localhost
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07:52<MsMimi>someoone installed the db for me
07:52<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: </3 lame software patents
07:52<MsMimi>i'll check it out though
07:53<HoopyCat>MsMimi: they either left the root password blank, set it to the system root password (if they knew it), or set it to something else and forgot to tell you
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07:55<MsMimi>got it
07:55<MsMimi>but now the mysql server is down
07:55<MsMimi>it shutdown
07:56<HoopyCat>MsMimi: did you /etc/init.d/mysql start ?
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07:57<MsMimi>i tried it
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07:57<MsMimi> Starting MySQL database server: mysqld already running.
07:57<MsMimi>but my website is down
07:59<MsMimi>Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
07:59<MsMimi>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld.
07:59<HoopyCat>MsMimi: hmm... i suspect the website was configured to use the root password to access the database, which is 1) BAD BAD BAD, 2) not a good idea, and 3) going to be a slight problem because the password has changed
07:59<MsMimi>like that
07:59<MsMimi>i'm using vbulletin
07:59<@pparadis>you probably need to change the password in a config file for your site now.
08:00<MsMimi>oh ya
08:00<MsMimi>i know how to do that
08:00<HoopyCat>oh good! 'cuz i don't :-)
08:00<@pparadis>HoopyCat knows but he ain't tellin'
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08:01<HoopyCat>i've probably *seen* vbulletin somewhere before, but this is the first time it has crossed my consciousness
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08:01*pparadis crosses HoopyCat's mind. and dots it.
08:02<MsMimi>cool got it working again
08:02<MsMimi>now time to backup my mysql
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08:04<HoopyCat>ok, time to down some ibuprofen, take a shower, ice my ankle, stretch my back, try to get this damned song from annie out of my head, and start doing things that need to be done. (final day of the summer semester, woot)
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08:04<@pparadis>darn college kids
08:04<nachtkriecher>the sunn'll come out
08:04<@pparadis>that's jacked up.
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08:04<nachtkriecher>betcher bottom dollar that
08:05<nachtkriecher>there'll be sun...
08:05<laser`>Final day of summer semester? o.O
08:05<nachtkriecher>i have until wednesday
08:05<laser`>Wow, US colleges have completely different timings to UK unis
08:05<HoopyCat>just thinking about tomorrowwwwww
08:05<nachtkriecher>and i am dreading it
08:05*laser` finished for the summer on the 3rd July
08:05<nachtkriecher>clears away the something and the sorrow
08:05<HoopyCat>clears away the cobwebs, and the sorrow, 'til there's noneeeeeee
08:05<MsMimi>thanks hoopy
08:05<nachtkriecher>when im stuck with a day
08:05<nachtkriecher>that's grey
08:05<nachtkriecher>and lonely
08:06<nachtkriecher>i'll just stick up my chin
08:06*pparadis considers kicking nachtkriecher
08:06<nachtkriecher>and grin
08:06<nachtkriecher>and saaaaaaaaaaaay
08:06*pparadis cries
08:06<nachtkriecher>I LUV YA
08:07<nachtkriecher>YOU're ALWAYS
08:07<HoopyCat>A DAY
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08:07*nachtkriecher does the brass outro
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08:07<HoopyCat>hey, that worked great, it's not stuck in my head any more. thanks, nachtkriecher!
08:08<nachtkriecher>np HoopyCat! that got rid of my scabies too!
08:08*pparadis fires back:
08:08<HoopyCat>MsMimi: no worries, apologies for the sudden outbreak of song there.
08:08<nachtkriecher>so i think i found my favourite beer
08:09<@pparadis>FIEVEL OWNS YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!
08:10<HoopyCat>laser`: i'm at a two-year community college now, so the schedule is atypically flexible. we have two summer sessions of ~6 weeks each. i'm taking two classes this summer, both online, and the first was during the first session and the second is across both sessions
08:11<nachtkriecher>im working for my university all summer = chill on linode
08:11<MsMimi>hey pparadis do you know if mysqldump is automatically installed on debian?
08:11<MsMimi>or do I have to install it?
08:11<nachtkriecher>shouldnt it be installed with mysql?
08:12<MsMimi>probably is
08:12<MsMimi><<<<<is noob
08:12*nachtkriecher is also a noob
08:13*nachtkriecher said that one thing to show off a particular piece of knowledge i happen to have
08:13<HoopyCat>laser`: that said, the school to which i plan to transfer does it by quarters instead of semesters, and the summer is usually reserved for doing coop (e.g. getting a job in the name of real-world experience)
08:13<HoopyCat>mysql-client-5.0: /usr/bin/mysqldump
08:13<nachtkriecher>HoopyCat: i thought you were older??
08:14<HoopyCat>nachtkriecher: i'm not THAT old. i think i'm... 28? what year is it?
08:14<HoopyCat>yeah, 28.
08:15<nachtkriecher>i mean i thought you were out of school
08:15<HoopyCat>nachtkriecher: naw, just started last year
08:15<nachtkriecher>oh wow
08:15<nachtkriecher>grad school?
08:16<HoopyCat>nachtkriecher: nope, between my freshman and sophomore years right now. (technically i think i'm a sophomore because i'm on the 2009-2010 loan package right now...)
08:16<nachtkriecher>woah! ive had more years of school than HoopyCat?!?!?
08:16<nachtkriecher>and yet he still pwnz0rz me in the knowledge dept
08:16<nachtkriecher>years of experience are valuable
08:17<MsMimi>do you guys know what to put for the backup file? mysqldump -u [user] -p [database_name] > [backupfile].dump
08:17<internat>anything you want
08:17<MsMimi>is that where my mysql will be stored?
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08:18<MsMimi>when i back it up?
08:18<internat>yeah it'll store the databases, table, and data
08:18<laser`>It'll be backed up to [backupfile].dump
08:18<nachtkriecher>when you do a dump, it creates a file that contains mysql commands that will recreate your databases
08:19<MsMimi>thanks guys
08:19<MsMimi>do you think i need to shutdown my mysql?
08:19<HoopyCat>nachtkriecher: 'tis kinda fun to be checking the "some college" box on surveys instead of "some high school" :-)
08:20<nachtkriecher>one more year and then ill be able to check "college degree" :D
08:20<HoopyCat>MsMimi: not only do you not need to, but mysqldump requires that mysqld be running. that's why it kicks ass.
08:20<nachtkriecher>i take it MsMimi is on a linode?
08:21<MsMimi>ok thanks
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08:21<MsMimi>ya i'm on a linode
08:21<MsMimi>trying to learn
08:21<nachtkriecher>great place to learn
08:21<nachtkriecher>i asked my dad for one for my brother and i
08:21<nachtkriecher>and he said "why dont i just get a normal computer"
08:22<HoopyCat>nachtkriecher: i started taking a couple night classes last spring and fell in love with learning new stuff. so, long story short, i quit my job and am now a full-time student.
08:22<MsMimi>he is probably knows more about this than I do though
08:23<nachtkriecher>i like school because it makes having a career easy
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08:23<nachtkriecher>i barely even have to look
08:23<nachtkriecher>even in this economy
08:24<MsMimi>hey hoopy do you know if the mysql will automatically shutdown if I do this backup or do I have to put a command?
08:24<nachtkriecher>of course i like learning new stuff too.. it's just... not all stuff
08:24<@irgeek>MsMimi: It doesn't shut down MySQL.
08:24<MsMimi>do you know the command irgeek?
08:24<MsMimi>for debian
08:25<nachtkriecher>/etc/init.d/mysqld stop?
08:25<HoopyCat>MsMimi: mysqldump doesn't require that mysql shut down, so it won't shut mysql down
08:25<@irgeek>To stop MySQL? /etc/ini.d/mysql stop
08:25<laser`>Why do you want to stop it?
08:26<@irgeek>Actually, it won't even work it MySQL is down. It users the server to dump the data.
08:26<MsMimi>i want to backup my database
08:26<rainman`>then use mysqldump
08:26<MsMimi>its my first time
08:26<rainman`>there's nothing more to it
08:26<laser`>So why do you want to stop MySQL?
08:26<MsMimi>oh ok
08:26<MsMimi>thanks guys I know I sound incompetent because I am
08:27<@irgeek>mysqldump & mysqlhotcopy both do their thing by talking to MySQL so it needs to be running.
08:28<nachtkriecher>MsMimi: the only way anything can send or recv sql information is by talking to the mysqld that houses that database
08:29<nachtkriecher>so when you do the "mysqldump" command, your linode asks the mysqld for all the database information
08:29<nachtkriecher>you might want to read up on daemon processes
08:30<HoopyCat>nachtkriecher: so far, i think my timing has been pretty good. my wife started her five-year apprenticeship about the time i started my five-year degree path, so we'll both be done about the same time and poised to kick some fsckin' ass
08:31<nachtkriecher>im hoping to go to grad school here at clemson for comp sci
08:31<nachtkriecher>and maybe find a wife while in it
08:31<nachtkriecher>that'd be nice
08:32<HoopyCat>oh right! i was going to take a shower. bbl
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08:33<MsMimi>thanks nach
08:34<MsMimi>so i tried the command mysqldump -u [user] -p [database_name] > [backupfile].dump
08:34<MsMimi>how do i know if it worked?
08:34<MsMimi>it did not give confirmation or anything
08:35<nachtkriecher>look at the file
08:35<nachtkriecher>a lot of linux commands dont give confirmation
08:35<nachtkriecher>wherever you said it was
08:36<MsMimi>is it located in the var?
08:36<laser`>It's located in the directory you ran the command
08:36<laser`>Just type "ls"
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08:37<MsMimi>i just get a list of files
08:37<nachtkriecher>one of those should be it
08:37<teef>MsMimi: unix/linux tends to only print 'confirmations' of errors or warnings. Success is normally silent.
08:37<MsMimi>oh ok
08:37<laser`>MsMimi: What did you call it?
08:37<laser`>You did change the bits in [], right?
08:38<teef>MsMimi: ls *.dump
08:38<MsMimi>i called it percmybackup
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08:38<MsMimi>oh crap
08:38<MsMimi>i forgot to remove that part
08:40<MsMimi>found it
08:40<MsMimi>i think it worked
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08:41<MsMimi>now is there a way to transfer the file to my computer?
08:42<nachtkriecher>how have you been getting files to and from your linode?
08:42<MsMimi>nvm i found it
08:42<MsMimi>you guys are awesome
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08:43<MsMimi>finally backuped all my files
08:43<MsMimi>*jumpes up and down*
08:43<nachtkriecher>fpt eh?
08:45<nachtkriecher>people here arent friendly to ftp
08:45<nachtkriecher>right guys?
08:45<MsMimi>so the file that was saved can be restored right?
08:45<MsMimi>why not
08:45<nachtkriecher>it's not secure
08:45<MsMimi>how do you transfer files?
08:45<MsMimi>ya sftp
08:46<MsMimi>that seriously made me smile
08:47<hawk>ftp is not particularly firewall-friendly either... except for plain ftp being quite insecure
08:48<MsMimi>so the mysql dump that was saved can now be restored to any server?
08:49<nachtkriecher>like i said before, the dump is just a file containing mysql commands that will reconstruct the database
08:49<nachtkriecher>like... INSERT table or whatever
08:49<MsMimi>my mysql is huge cuz the forum that my brother runs is huge
08:49<nachtkriecher>i had one that was 29 MB once
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08:51<MsMimi>my brothers is around 200mb
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08:52<nachtkriecher>that's pretty huge
08:52<MsMimi>like i said its a huge forum
08:53<MsMimi>with tons of pictures, post, and files
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08:54<Daevien>200mb isn't all that large overall, i've got a couple that size ;)
08:54<nachtkriecher>ha, i guess i just dont know
08:54<MsMimi>what type of site do you run?
08:54<Daevien>and some of the really large forums have more posts than many of us do in a month.. in an hour.. their's are huge :p
08:55<Daevien>couple forums for games
08:55<MsMimi>whats the software?
08:55<MsMimi>i know that ets around 1 million post a day
08:56<laser`>I think one of my tables for my WordPress blog isi 200 MB :P
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08:56<MsMimi>is it huge?
08:56<Daevien>list of the larger ones & yeah gaia is the largest publicly done one anyway
08:56<Daevien>big-boards isn't mine, it's just a list of larger forums on th einternet
08:57<MsMimi>laser 200mb for a wordpress blog? You must have post a lot of blog post lol!
08:57<Daevien>the scary thin gis that gaia uses phpbb.. well, by now, prob pretyt much a custom version of phpbb. i hate phpbb, it' s anightmare from an admin standpoint
08:57<MsMimi>its customize phpbb
08:58<MsMimi>i don't even consider it phpbb
08:58<nachtkriecher>thats what i use!
08:58<Daevien>anyway, time to go to work... bleh.
08:58<MsMimi>vbulletin is finally coming out with 4.0 next week
08:58<MsMimi>bye daevien
08:58<Daevien>if you use phpbb, look at vbulletin, simple machine forums (smf) or invision... will make your life sooo much easier
08:59<Daevien>smf is free, other 2 aren't
08:59<MsMimi>i use vbulletin
08:59<MsMimi>best forum software in my opinion
09:00<MsMimi>nach you run a forum?
09:00<nachtkriecher>a few
09:01<MsMimi>i love forums
09:01<nachtkriecher>not that big
09:01<nachtkriecher>two of them are empty right now
09:01<HoopyCat>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 673737629 2009-08-13 05:21 rocwiki-20090813.sql.tar.bz2
09:01<nachtkriecher>HoopyCat ran mysqldump as root??
09:02<HoopyCat>nachtkriecher: no, pg_dump :-) i can probably actually depriv that, hmm
09:03<bustrik>hello, is there an administrator online?
09:03<HoopyCat>bustrik: irgeek and pparadis have been around within the past hour
09:04<@irgeek>What's up?
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09:06<bustrik>hi, irgeek, I need support about a billing/administration issue, may I ask to you?
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09:08<@irgeek>bustrik: What's your question>
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09:19<daj>enew the domain, and it expired, and someone registered it, it's probably gone
09:20<daj>damn bumping right click
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09:31<warewolf_>mikegrb: ping
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09:48<ella>Hey quick easy one, I've long forgotten. How do you run a script form apache without using the suffix: - which of course picks up process.cgi in the same directory?
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09:50<amitz>HoopyCat: I wish I can have a wife who can fix my house, all part of it :-).
09:51<rainman`>build one
09:51<amitz>and cooking, and cleaning the house, do my finance,
09:52<rainman`>your demands are quite high eh
09:52<rainman`>maybe you should have multiple
09:52<rainman`>with instant failover
09:52<nachtkriecher>5 C's
09:52<amitz>rainman`: good idea :-)
09:52<nachtkriecher>cook, clean, conceive and cut the checks
09:53<amitz>nachtkriecher: oh, I'll remember that term :-)
09:53*nachtkriecher isnt actually a chauvinist
09:54<amitz>rainman`: the multiple wifes are easier to get, but the instant failover is gonna be tougher to arrange.]
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10:00*nachtkriecher is, however, a calvinist
10:00<visio>did i walk into one of those conversations?
10:01<nachtkriecher>nothing haad been said for at least 6 minutes
10:01<nachtkriecher>i was rhyming with something i said earlier
10:01<visio>ive been reading john piper this morning, and dont really want to endure more conviction at the moment
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10:02<nachtkriecher>i really need to do more reading
10:02<nachtkriecher>of stuff like that
10:02<nachtkriecher>and reading in general
10:02*amitz has been into so many religious "discussion" that not much can bait him anymore. :-)
10:02<nachtkriecher>how bout that?
10:03<visio>i know that feeling
10:03<visio>sometimes i get on a forum and i see something posted and its like 'must.....resist.......'
10:04<amitz>nachtkriecher: It is intelligently designed that way!
10:04<nachtkriecher>antecedent of it?
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10:04<amitz>uh, I regretted saying that. No I won't start these stuff again!
10:04<nachtkriecher>where do you fall amitz?
10:05<nachtkriecher>i promise not to argue
10:05<nachtkriecher>i just want to label you :P
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10:06<amitz>nachtkriecher: Secreeet. Who knows my future boss will google me and (s)he is a strong proponent in one or the other :-p
10:07<nachtkriecher>it could help you as much as it could hurt you
10:07<nachtkriecher>and it's better to know what you're getting into
10:08<amitz>well, how about my political career? I might be one or the other :-D
10:08<visio>how about your spiritual career
10:08<nachtkriecher>i dont really care about that very much
10:08<visio>I DID NOT SAY THAT
10:09<visio>i love when people give me bumper sticker theology
10:10<amitz>visio: I used to be a teacher in a uh..certain dogma. They will be pissed if they get their hand on this log :-)
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10:10<nachtkriecher>that is already the case, or it will be the case if you reveal your positions?!?
10:11<amitz>nachtkriecher: I can see what you are doing but things may not look what it seems :-p.
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10:12<nachtkriecher>dont mind me
10:12*amitz secretly enjoys this banteing hahaha :-p
10:12<nachtkriecher>i dont enjoy banter usually
10:12<nachtkriecher>i enjoy the exchange of ideas
10:12<visio>as long as you know whats right. no offense to all the others that are wrong
10:12<visio>i mean
10:12<nachtkriecher>naturally, i think mine are right, and other people's are wrong
10:13<megatron27>needs to get better at stuff
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10:13<megatron27>what is this discussion about
10:13<nachtkriecher>and there are certain things that are fundamental to my world view that i dont believe i will ever stop believing
10:14<nachtkriecher>but basically everything else im willing to discuss and consider new ideas
10:14<@tychoish>megatron27: religion... it's not first date conversation
10:14<amitz>megatron27: nothing that may really change the way we live :-)
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10:14*megatron27 scrolls up
10:14<visio>i would love to see some #linode conversion stories though
10:14<amitz>damn, I implied too much :-)
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10:15<nachtkriecher>so then... you believe religion is not applicable to modern life?
10:15<nachtkriecher>i found a label!!
10:15<nachtkriecher>sort of
10:15<visio>"it all started when i needed to add 128mb to my vps....something about memory, something about quota, somehow we got to john 3:16..."
10:15<amitz>nooo, you labeled me!
10:15<amitz>I feel so violated!
10:16<@pparadis>amitz doesn't know the meaning of violated.... yet.
10:17<megatron27>time for this again - (does a pparadis)
10:17<nachtkriecher>sounds jewish
10:17<@tychoish>pparadis, right? I mean, he hasn't been to a company bbq yet
10:18<amitz>pparadis: so, you know better? :-p
10:19<amitz>I have always suspected the R rated nature of linode's party. So you call it BBQ party eh?
10:20<amitz>You lay down the meat, whip it with sauce, and heat it up? I can see the analogy here, hellooo!
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10:20<@tychoish>soooo, about VPS's
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10:21<@caker>a VPS's what?
10:21<nachtkriecher>grammar nazi^
10:22<Karrde>I approve
10:22<purrdeta>a VPS's hat!
10:22<@tychoish>in this case, it's potentially correct
10:22<nachtkriecher>that's what i was about to wonder
10:22<@tychoish>a VPS's care, usage, and feeding
10:22<purrdeta>tychoish: and love.
10:23<nachtkriecher>how often do linodes get taken out for walks?
10:23<@tychoish>I go for a walk most days, if that counts
10:25<nachtkriecher>my professor just said "me either"
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10:31<Pryon>Gah. I signed up for some freebie at a thousand years ago and they've been spamming me ever since.
10:32<visio>thats why you make a catchall for emails
10:32<megatron27_>s/ - same story
10:32<visio>i can give every vendor a custom email, and if i start seeing spam i know who to blame
10:32<nachtkriecher>whoever posted dont stop believin
10:32<nachtkriecher>i hate you
10:33<Pryon>I expect better behavior out of the ACM. However, anybody using the phrace "computing machinery" probably points at a workstation case and calls it "the CPU".
10:33*megatron27_ hides
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10:34<Pryon>fight the powah
10:34-!-mode/#linode [-o tjfontaine] by tjfontaine
10:34<tjfontaine>you gotta fight the powahs that be
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10:35<nachtkriecher>stick it to tha man
10:35<@mikegrb>warewolf: pong
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10:54<libervisco>I don't know what I'm pissed at more.. mysql or drupal.. I wish I could just throw money at these issues so I can focus on actually growing my sites..
10:55<libervisco>constant slow downs and annoying drupal issues (cache freezing for days???) popping up every now and then.. over and over again just pestering and pestering and wasting my time..
10:55<libervisco>and drupal community support is just awful :S
10:56<amitz>libervisco: you can throw money at these issues by uh..buying a larger linode :-p
10:57<libervisco>I considered that, but in case of this I wasn't sure it'll solve anything and doesn't really make sense since none of my sites are even large yet I already need to upgrad.. what's gonna happen when I actually have much more traffic then?
10:57<@tychoish>there are also drupal people who do consulting stuff
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10:57<@tychoish>have you thought about, however, putting the database server on a seperate linode
10:57<libervisco>there's acquia that I know off.. but their cheapest support plan is forums-only and more than $300
10:58<libervisco>nope.. that'd be overkill..
10:58<libervisco>the most popular site on my linode has over 3000 uniques a month, that's all..
10:59<@tychoish>it's not uniques, excatly, that can drag a site down
10:59<@tychoish>pageviews are what kill you
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11:00<libervisco>6,243 page loads in last 30 days it says.. still not that much..
11:00<@tychoish>the advice I tend to give is: turn off any module that you're not actively using... even though you can embed php in panels/pages/etc. the overhead from that can be pretty intense
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11:01<@tychoish>seperating the database from the webserver, might also help with some of the database latency
11:01<libervisco>drupal templating system is all about php templates..
11:01<libervisco>but the main issue is mysql..
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11:02<libervisco>I think it's just not optimized very well and I'm not very good at that.. and as a publisher that does everything alone it's frustrating :S
11:02<@tychoish>I remember seing setups where people would use the panels module, or have PHP embeded within pages, that would have to be laoded from the database, and then executed... this isn't templates that I'm talking about, but sort of PHP within the db within PHP
11:03<libervisco>hopefully at some point I'll be able to buy support for that stuff
11:03<libervisco>right, php in blocks..
11:04<libervisco>I don't think I have any that pulls from db though..
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11:05<linbot>New news from forums: Why my linodes CPU + Disk IO Spiking? in Performance and Tuning <>
11:06<libervisco>what got me today was on another server though (not linode), drupal freezing its cache even after all caching is turned off.. some pages keep loading their version from a few days ago..
11:06<@tychoish>yeah, I'm not sure how drupal internals work, for sure, but it has to do queries to get the php out with php and then it has to run it
11:07<@tychoish>and drupal hits the DB for a lot of stuff that you wouldn't think it should, but there it is
11:07<@tychoish>and yeah, in an attempt to sort of solve this problem, drupal caching is intense
11:09<@tychoish>you can push the db server into its own linode and do optimization both on the mysql conf and on the queries in some cases...
11:09<@tychoish>but other than "go forth," I don't have a lot of specific advice
11:10<libervisco>yeah.. I can't afford a second server though, best I can do is upgrade to a next level
11:10<libervisco>the 720 I think
11:11<libervisco>unless I go with two 360s.. but that seems risky..
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11:11<@tychoish>it might not be, but I understand your hesitancy
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11:12<libervisco>yeah the thing is this shouldn't happen.. upgrades of resources should come as a result of much more traffic..
11:12<libervisco>so if I have problems now it must be the configuration
11:12<amitz>libervisco: given the risk, maybe you want to take the time to learn about tuning drupal/mysql first?
11:13<libervisco>if I "want" to I'm not sure, but it would probably be a good idea :S
11:14<@tychoish>I think tinkering with optimization and tuning before throwing hardware at the problem, is a good plan :)
11:14<libervisco>I've already "learned" a few things as I had to stabilize it a few weeks ago and it sort of improved..
11:14*Yaakov throws hardware at tychoish.
11:14<libervisco>I was looking at the mysql tuning presentation and adjusted some settings
11:14<libervisco>but still isn't quite right
11:15<libervisco>but adding to that other somewhat unrelated issues it's quite a bit of time.. every time I turn caching on for one of my sites it turns into gibberish that displays only for bots..
11:15<amitz>nessenj: greeted.
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11:16<nessenj>amitz: :)
11:16<libervisco>and now this site is frozen in cache I can't find in the database.. lol
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11:16<libervisco>like Alice in the wonderland..
11:18<amitz>libervisco: joining a course or buying the tutorial on optimizing drupal/mysql might be the best bang in the bucks?
11:18<amitz>scratch the buying tutorial part.
11:19<libervisco>maybe.. or just accepting the fact I need to waste some time tinkering and delve into it.. like dedicate a whole week
11:19<visio>anyone here ever use magento
11:19<libervisco>since apparently it wont leave me alone :P
11:19<@pparadis>libervisco: the only way to learn is to read and do.
11:19<amitz>uh, I forgot to consider how cheap linode is compared to taking a full pledged course :-)
11:19<@pparadis>(rinse, repeat)
11:23<@tychoish>HOW IS LS FORMED
11:23<@pparadis>HOW SERVER GET FILES
11:23*pparadis smacks the ever-living-crap out of TheJoe
11:23<Karrde>korean pop
11:23<TheJoe>My crap does not live!
11:24<nachtkriecher>whose crap lives?!?!?
11:24<nachtkriecher>the werefeces is back?!?!?
11:24<Yaakov>How is boxxy formed?
11:25<TheJoe>How is Yaakov formed?
11:25<Yaakov>Form of: ULITMATE GLORY
11:25<Yaakov>Ask pparadis.
11:26<@tychoish>how is ___ formed, is linode meme
11:26<Yaakov>How is linode formed?
11:26<@pparadis>dead kittens heaped up and lit on fire.
11:26<@pparadis>powering gas turbines that power servers.
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11:27<Yaakov>tychoish: sup dawg, I heard you like to virtualize so I put Xen in your Xen so you can Linode in your Linode.
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11:27<@tychoish>I think "servers, server, server, serve serve" is the canonical implementation of that pun
11:28<@tychoish>sup dawg, I heard you like diffs so I diffed your meme so you can meme while you diff
11:28<nachtkriecher>deveropels, deveropels, deveropels, deveropels
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11:29<Yaakov>pparadis is a major boxxy fan.
11:29<TheJoe>How is boxxy fan formed?
11:30<Pryon>Leftovers from forming balrogs
11:30*pparadis is going to ram a dead kitten somewhere Yaakov may find unpleasant as boxxy makes pparadis want to butcher sea turtles while they've attempting to lay their eggs on some moonlit beach.
11:30<Yaakov>OMG! Boxxy does that too!
11:30*pparadis cries, again
11:30<Pryon>One sea turtle egg omelette coming right up~
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11:33<TheJoe>Ooh talking of turtles
11:33<TheJoe> Slightly NSFW
11:34<nachtkriecher>due to?
11:34<TheJoe>Turtle penis.
11:35<@pparadis>oh. my. god.
11:35<Pryon>poor little guy
11:36<Yaakov>pparadis: Look what I found!
11:36<TheJoe> Funniest video on the interent
11:39<@pparadis> ...wait for the actual demo
11:40<Yaakov>pparadis: Did you see ganomie?
11:41<@pparadis>you are a bad person
11:41<Yaakov>pparadis: But you know I am not.
11:42*pparadis knows Yaakov is fundamentally good, he just acts bad.
11:42<Yaakov>If I appear to act badly there must be a second order effect that is intended!
11:43<Yaakov>pparadis: Did you like the name I gave the photo?
11:44<@pparadis>that was good.
11:44<Yaakov>I thought so.
11:44<Yaakov>By the way, I am getting a 50mW laser!
11:44<Yaakov>25 bucks, shipped.
11:45<Yaakov>Fifty cents a milliwatt, baby.
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11:46<Yaakov>No, only about 432 nanometers.
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12:12<Schroede1>here's my preseason NFL prediction, and you can bank on it: The 49ers and the Eagles will NOT meet in the Super Bowl, and Houston and Cleveland will NOT play for the NFC Championship
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12:16<MsMimi>can someone tell me if they see the ads on this site
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12:17<Nivex>my ABP shows one blocked item
12:17<TheJoe>Irssi has given me RSI
12:17<MsMimi>anyone else see it?
12:18<@tychoish>works in linode central
12:18<MsMimi>talking to me tychoish?
12:18<@tychoish>yes, sorry :)
12:19<MsMimi>what do you mean it works on linode central?
12:19<@tychoish>sorry for the lack of clarity, it works here, in the linode offices
12:19<MsMimi>no it was my fault
12:19<MsMimi>Was not thinking
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12:21<@jed>MsMimi: which ad am I looking for?
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12:22<@jed>'cause I'm not seeing one
12:22<@jed>do you mean the big fat "Welcome to"
12:22<@jed>oh, wait, safari adblockplus installed
12:23<MsMimi>no the one on the top right
12:24<@jed>I think ABP snarfed it
12:24<MsMimi>its ok
12:24<@jed>safari adblockplus is delightfully quiet
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12:32<TheJoe>How is internet formed?
12:36<Schroede1>a series of tubes
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12:37<ijustam>are there plans to make a smaller linode plan?
12:38<visio>ijustam: curious, how small of a plan would you be looking for
12:38<visio>$20 for a basic vps seems pretty good
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12:39<auzigog>pparadis: hey buddy. i'll be on all day. let me know if you'd like me to proofread your tutorial or something at some point today. :)
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12:43<ijustam>i dunno. im just not using my linode as much anymore
12:44<@caker>I've got a bike, you can ride it if you like, it's got a basket a bell that rings and thingstomakeitlookgood.
12:45<Karrde>careful with that axe
12:47<visio>anyone notice ssh sessions time out for no reason?
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12:48<visio>if im idle for like a minute, ill go to type and nothin shows, then finally my client will notice im disconnected
12:49<visio>nm, forums
12:49<visio>dont mind me
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12:54<Yaakov>caker: I've got a brand new pair of roller skates, you've got a brand new key.
12:55<randallman>funny to walk in to that conversation :)
12:55<Yaakov>I sing *just* like Melanie.
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12:56<Yaakov>No, by squirting air through my meat.
12:57<Yaakov>How do *you* sing?
12:57<randallman>poorly :)
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13:04<TheJoe>If you just got a cut - it's because there's a silverblade around
13:08<silverblade>har har har
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13:16<Pryon>eat more burro?
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13:19<randallman>Heh yaakov, where in the heckdid you find such a picture? :P
13:19<Pryon>Yes, that prompted my question.
13:20<Yaakov>I know where everything is located.
13:20<Pryon>He's a closet boxxy fan (out of the closet, I guess)
13:20<Yaakov>Which can be very unfortunate.
13:20<randallman>wtf is a boxxy?
13:20<silverblade>boxxy vps
13:20<randallman>Boxxy, or Boxxybabee, is yet another in a long line of chanwhores to revolt and/or endear themselves to the lovelorn basement dwellers at
13:22<Pryon>Yaakov: You're only the 2nd person on the tubes whose posted links I refuse to follow (starting now)
13:22<Pryon>Except your blog
13:22<randallman>is this NSFW?
13:22<Pryon>Yaakov is a major perv
13:22<Yaakov>Unless you work with pparadis, it's safe.
13:23<Yaakov>Pryon: Your new policy has little to recommend it, but I am not diminished by it.
13:23<visio>this girl is f'ing retarded
13:23<randallman>Aren't most of them? :P
13:23*randallman hides
13:23<visio>forget not safe for work
13:23<visio>this is not safe for sanity
13:24<Pryon>Yaakov: I'm a liar, of course. I'm not lying about the other person, though.
13:24<@jed>she snorts pixie sticks
13:24<randallman>That's absolutely stupid ;)
13:24<Yaakov>Pryon: you didn't like
13:24<visio>this is a train wreck
13:24<randallman>If I'munna snort something, It needs to actually have some psychoactive effect which is desirable
13:24<visio>for obvious reasons im hating this girl
13:24<Pryon>Yaakov: I think it's quite a good picture.
13:24<visio>but i cant turn it off
13:24<randallman>I dont have any audio/speakers setup here at the office
13:25<Yaakov>visio: That's the power of boxxy.
13:25<randallman>so it's probably not useful
13:25<@jed>disclaimer: boxxy is 15
13:25<visio>quick and decisive
13:25<Yaakov>She's 17.
13:25<randallman>no going back :0
13:25<visio>i cant believe i sat through half that video
13:25<@jed>she was 15 when she made these videos
13:25<randallman>TWEENAGE ANGST FTW
13:25<Yaakov>She is slowing down in her old age.
13:25<randallman>She looks like the self-cutting type
13:26<@jed>her name's catie, too
13:26<Yaakov>Yes, Catie has other videos, later ones, that aren't boxxy.
13:26<Yaakov>Boxxy is gone, probably forever.
13:27<Yaakov>Just like Ellen Feiss has left us.
13:27<@jed>mom, why do you send me microsoft publisher attachments
13:27<@jed>why do you hate me, mom
13:27<nachtkriecher>your mother hates you jed
13:27<Yaakov>jed: do you like
13:27<@jed>Yaakov: questionable
13:27<Pryon>Yaakov is psychoanalyzing #linode
13:28<Yaakov>More a series of mental probes.
13:28<Yaakov>I have to earn my salary.
13:28<silverblade>Yaakov is probing #linode
13:28<Yaakov>I mean... it's fun!
13:28<Pryon>hey, point that thing at someone else
13:30<silverblade>What would be considered a decent ping time from europe to a linode
13:30<silverblade>i think mines in dallas
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13:33<randallman>son of beetch... sheet
13:33<Bohemian>anybody know how to create an alias for postfix inside mysql?
13:34<randallman>using mysql to do a recipient map?
13:34<Bohemian>randallman: not quite sure what that is/means
13:35<randallman>alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/
13:35<Pryon>!newercalc 2.5 US gallons in liters
13:35<linbot>Pryon: 9.46 L (liters)
13:35<randallman>That's quite a decent howto there :)
13:35<Bohemian>i have mysql set up for everything but virtual-domain-alias
13:35<Pryon>!newercalc heat capacity of 9.6L of water
13:35<linbot>Pryon: urmom
13:35<Bohemian>i need virtual, not local. sorry randallman
13:36<Pryon>!newercalc specific heat of water
13:36<linbot>Pryon: gas | 1.865 J/(g K) (joules per gram kelvin difference); liquid | 4.18 J/(g K) (joules per gram kelvin difference)
13:36<Pryon>!newercalc 9.6L of water in g
13:36<linbot>Pryon: -00
13:37<Pryon>9600, I know
13:37<randallman>virtual_alias_domains = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_domains
13:37<randallman>virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_aliases,
13:38<Bohemian>randallman: what commands are you talking about. not sure what has is
13:38<randallman>hash is a hash db
13:38<randallman>you just replace that with the relevant mysql stuff
13:39<Bohemian>so, nano -w /etc/psotfix/virtual_domain && virtual_aliases and add the mysql db info?
13:39<randallman>virtual_alias_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-stuff
13:39<auzigog>This is a silly question, but what's a quick way to send mail from the command line?
13:39<Bohemian>auzigog: mutt
13:39<Bohemian>or telnet
13:39<randallman>auzigog: mailx, sendmail, etc...
13:39<randallman>mailx works ok
13:40<randallman>I just echo "stuff" | /usr/lib/sendmail
13:40<auzigog>rather, what's the syntax. Anything come by default with ubuntu
13:40<auzigog>sendmail works, i suppose
13:40<randallman>It's the least robust
13:40<randallman>you need to write the entire headers
13:40<randallman>and the envelope is up to the cmdline
13:40<randallman>From/To, etc...
13:40<Bohemian>randallman: i don't have /etc/postfix/virtual_domains dir...
13:40<randallman>Bohemian, It's not a dir
13:40<randallman>it's a file you need to create
13:40<randallman>that directive was from
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13:41<randallman>I personally use a HASH for virtual aliases and virtual alias domains
13:41<randallman>I also use LDAP for it as well
13:41<randallman>heh brain?
13:41<randallman>damned autocomplete :)
13:41<randallman>Bohemian, basically you'll need to setup a file like you did for the other parts.... indicating a DBname, user, etc...
13:42<randallman>and setup tables
13:42<Bohemian>dunno what HASH is randallman . but i went to my main.conf and there's no line for virtual_domains or virtual_alias_domains
13:42<Bohemian>is there a guide you know of?
13:42<randallman>Read that
13:42<silverblade>Hash brownies
13:42<randallman>When's the las time anyone actually SAW hash? :P
13:43<randallman> /clear :)
13:45<Pryon>(I know hash isn't a narcotic)
13:45<nachtkriecher>urmom is a narcotic
13:45<SelfishMan>!urmom narcotic
13:46<linbot>SelfishMan: Your momma gives better HEAD than a spambot! (834:2/0) [mmuor]
13:46<Pryon>that's narcoleptic
13:46<SelfishMan>!urmom pparadis
13:46<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so nasty she had sex with Yaakov and then kissed pparadis (826:8/0) [uomrm]
13:46<SelfishMan>That one is so deliciously nasty
13:46<SelfishMan>!urmom vote up 826
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13:46<linbot>SelfishMan: Voted 826 up [mmuor]
13:47<silverblade>!urmom linode
13:47<linbot>silverblade: Yo momma's so dumb, she tried to exorcize the daemons from her Linode! (751:0/0) [mrumo]
13:54<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Ruby on Rails Applications with Apache <> || Using The Linode Shell (Lish) <>
13:54<@pparadis>sup dawg, heard you like docs.
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13:58<SelfishMan>!library lish
13:58*SelfishMan waits
13:58<linbot>SelfishMan: 1. Setting up a Movable Type Website ( - 2. Using the Terminal ( - 3. Using The Linode Shell (Lish) (
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14:00<linbot>New news from wiki: Configuring IPtables on ubuntu server <> || PV-GRUB <> || Main Page <> || Netfilter IPTables Mini Howto <> || Main Page <> || OpenVPN <http://www.lin
14:01<auzigog>So I'm using msmtp to relay mail through google's servers (Google Apps). If I use php mail(), it will use the default msmtp configuration, but what will happen if I use php mail() and specify a from address? Is there any way it would use the config file from a home folder? Like /home/joe/.msmtprc and I want to mail() from (through google's servers)
14:01<auzigog>pparadis: docs!! is the IPtables one the same one we've been chatting about?
14:08<auzigog>pparadis: nvm
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14:09<randallman>Expanding Windows Files (75%) ...
14:09<randallman>This shit aint workin' :P
14:09<randallman>Who needs windows 7 anyway :)
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14:10*randallman is trying to run it in VMware Server 2.x
14:10<visio>windows 7 is serious business
14:10<visio>kinda wish i didnt install the RC though
14:11<visio>too lazy to wipe it and re-install the final
14:11<visio>and march is gonna suck then the RC stops working
14:11<randallman>I guess Im runningt he official RTM
14:11<visio>came out last week rtm
14:11<randallman>I just want the frakkin start menu back....
14:11<randallman>CLASSIC THEME
14:11<visio>im waiting for our actionpack dvds to come
14:12<randallman>THat's the thing about Linux.... I can still run TWM, MWM, FVWM, OpenLook/OpenWin, etc...
14:12<randallman>I bet I could find an old copy of afterstep to run if I wanted to
14:12<visio>only thing that i hate is the 'Libraries'
14:12<nachtkriecher>the start menu was fun
14:12<nachtkriecher>because you could change what it said
14:13<nachtkriecher>on your friends' computers
14:13<nachtkriecher>and then they couldnt change it back
14:13<randallman>I just hate the people who claim that I'm being obtuse by even ASKING for the original start menu.
14:13<randallman>Lets face it, we've been used to the last UI since 1995...
14:13<randallman>It's been 14 years....
14:13<randallman>Why *MAKE* us change it?
14:13<randallman>But the windows dorks actually HATE the fact that I even *ask* the question :)
14:14<vuf>how's the lawn?
14:14<visio>i see both sides of it
14:14<visio>on one aspect there are things i loved that i wish they never got rid of
14:14<visio>but if we never move on, ppl would still be hanging around dos/win3.1
14:15<nachtkriecher>sure, but they shouldnt get peeved by wanting the old UI
14:15<randallman>Ahh, but did we need to eliminate the DOS shell to move forward with life?
14:15<randallman>We kept the DOS shell
14:15<randallman>it's still there!
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14:16<visio>its 2009, we STILL cant highlight/copy/paste from the command prompt?
14:16<randallman>we can
14:16<randallman>you just have to select 'edit' first :)
14:16<randallman>err highlight mode, whatever
14:17<visio>yea thats crap
14:17<vuf>it's 2009 and I never know which clipboard my marking ends up in
14:17<randallman>Same in Linux :0
14:17<randallman>It's worse in linux....
14:18<nachtkriecher>it's 2009. do you know where your marking is?
14:18<visio>i love when i goto copy large amount of files
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14:18<vuf>randallman: eh, I don't do windows
14:18<visio>and its 'Calculating...'
14:18<visio>thats it
14:18<visio>not even 'Copying/Moving and Calculatig'
14:19<randallman>Vuf, I hear ya :) I have to use winders some :)
14:19<brad>hello all! just signed up, and I'm not sure how to pick the most appropriate data center (I'm in Memphis, TN). Ideas?
14:20<StevenK>Use those URLs to test downloads/pings
14:21<Turl>hi fellow linoders
14:21<Turl>is letting mysql use 45K file descriptors on a 4GB system a good idea?
14:22<visio>bleh i need to get up on my mysql tuning
14:23<vuf>Turl: that's a lot of tables
14:24<Turl>vuf: around 15k tables, yeah
14:24<Turl>vuf: any idea whether it's 'safe' to do this?
14:24<randallman>That's hilarious... I searched for 'Linux CDW'
14:24<randallman>err 'Linux CDE'
14:24<randallman>and Google said 'Did you mean: Linux KDE'
14:25<randallman>It's like CDE never even existed :)
14:25<visio>rewriting history
14:25<visio>1984 :-|
14:25<vuf>Turl: no idea, but at least I have not heard that a high number is dangerous
14:25<randallman>CDE couldnt have been 1984 :)
14:25<visio>the book!
14:25<Turl>vuf: thanks :)
14:25<randallman>1994 :)
14:26<Turl>370014 file descriptors in this system. I'll eat half LOL
14:27<randallman>Holy expensive useless software, batman
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14:31<libervisco>weird.. shouldn't restarting lighttpd also "restart" php?
14:31<libervisco>I *purged* php5-xcache from the system and phpinfo still says xcache is there and enabled
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14:31<Turl>libervisco: not always
14:31<Turl>php runs as cgi
14:32<Turl>try killall php5-cgi or similar
14:32<libervisco>oh.. that worked, thanks :)
14:33<Turl>np libervisco
14:33<libervisco>xcache is gone.. it clashed with drupal caching..
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14:35<sserdyuk>Hi, I've opened a support ticket 8am EST and still no response. Are you guys busy with something else or is it considered normal?
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14:40<libervisco>well drupal 5 officially sucks :S
14:40<libervisco>removing xcache fixed nothing.. drupal caching still throws garbage into bots faces
14:43<Turl>libervisco: might be gzip-related?
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14:46<libervisco>maybe.. it's got to be something
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14:54<linbot>New news from forums: Download File Speed Test in Performance and Tuning <>
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14:57<auzigog>So I'm getting the "Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name" error when I try to restart apache. I have my /etc/hostname file set to and one of my sites has "ServerName" and the other site has "ServerName" ... Any ideas on how to fix this?
14:58<walterheck>i have two centos 5.2 boxes A and B. i want just expose A to teh outside world and make B use A as a gateway. B can reach A, but not beyond. Any ideas?
14:59<auzigog>Also, in /etc/hosts i have " firefly"
15:00<vuf>walterheck, that sounds quite familiar
15:00<randallman>EPIC FAIL - Windows 7 x64 refused to install in VMware Server 2
15:00<randallman>I gave it like 2 hours to prepare-to-install, but it failed :)
15:01<nachtkriecher>#linode: i fell asleep at my desk and now my entire right arm + right side of face has pins and needles. ideas?
15:01<walterheck>vuf: yeah, i am the same idiot that had this problem a week ago. haven't had any time to look into it
15:01<vuf>auzigog: maybe you need a global ServerName?
15:01<randallman>walter, is A natting for B?
15:01<auzigog>vuf: i don't think that would make much sense. i thought virutalhosts had nothing to do with my /etc/hostname file... but maybe?
15:01<randallman>or is B on a real IP address?
15:01<vuf>auzigog: who promised you that it would make sense?
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15:02<randallman>walter, do you have ip forwarding enabled on A?
15:02<vuf>auzigog: anyway, the warning is quite harmless, I think
15:02<walterheck>net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
15:02<walterheck>on A
15:02-!-FloodServ is "FloodServ" on (unknown)
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15:02-!-mode/#linode [-o Guest339] by ChanServ
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15:02<walterheck>i tried turning iptables off on both a and B, but no luck
15:02<vuf>walterheck: and you also have masquerading on A, as far as I recall?
15:03<vuf>walterheck: maybe check that you are not masquerading the wrong interface
15:03<walterheck>since i can ping both private and public ip of A from B, but nothing else, i thought it might have soemthing to do with the private network of A being defined on eth0:0
15:04<vuf>walterheck: maybe pastebin "iptables -v -n -L -t nat" from A
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15:06<Pryon>!newercalc 1.3kW in BTU
15:06<linbot>Pryon: 4440 BTUs per hour
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15:08<Pryon>If the carboy fits comfortably in the plastic box, it's a go.
15:09<A-KO>lol Pryon
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15:11<Pryon>We are clear for takeoff
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15:14<Pryon>A-KO: It was doing a good job up until #6 and it went insane.
15:16<phocused>anyone here familiar with setting up a mail server that quarantines emails + sends the user a report at the end of the day to let them release certain emails?
15:17<vuf>walterheck: you don't need the eth0:0 MASQUERADE, but I don't think it harms
15:17<walterheck>it got there automagically when i masqueraded eth0
15:17*randallman installs Sun Java System Directory Server 5.2p6 on RHEL5 :P
15:17<randallman>eth0:0 isnt a real interface, no?
15:17<randallman>It's IP ALIASING
15:17<walterheck>it's an alias
15:18*fred hugs iproute2
15:18<randallman>I believe iptables likes to work w/ real IFs?
15:18<fred>(/sbin/ip addr add > ifconfig foo:0
15:18<fred>meh, use inet prefixes instead of interfaces.
15:19<fred>makes it so you don't, for example, get uncomfortable surprises if you change eth0 to be on a bridge with a vm or something
15:19*randallman cranks 'The Cinema Show' - Genesis
15:19<randallman>Selling England by the Pound is arguably thier best album, ever; )
15:19<vuf>walterheck: I think masquerade does not work with aliases
15:20<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: dallas166 in System and Network Status <>
15:20<walterheck>fred, can you translate that into n00b speak? :) I don't mind googling when i don't understand all, but when not all=none, it get's tough :)
15:21<randallman>Blah, iproute2 is all newfangulated...
15:21<vuf>walterheck: replace MASQUERADE with something like
15:21<vuf>walterheck: with $IP being the public IP of A
15:22*randallman remembers using IPFWADM for this :0
15:22<fred>walterheck: say eth0 is; you also want that interface listening on; /sbin/ip addr add eth0
15:22<fred>that works :p
15:22<fred>as an alternative to ifconfig eth0:0
15:23<fred>and, instead of doing -i eth0 in iptables, you /can/ (different merits) do iptables -s
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15:23<randallman>DYK - vmware lab manager uses 'linux guests' as a 'virtual router' with ip masq etc...
15:24<randallman>but you're not 'allowed' to go in and manually adjust the iptables mappings
15:28<walterheck>vuf: replacing masquerade with the postrouting did not work
15:29<vuf>it could be wrong, I just made it up. anyone?
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15:29<auzigog>So I'm back to hostname stuff. Should the /etc/hsots be in the format " onefish" or " onefish"
15:29<walterheck>shouldn't -d be
15:30<vuf>walterheck: with /16, the last two octets don't matter
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15:32<walterheck>grmbl, would this be a distro problem maybe? or at least easier to solve with another one? i'm thinking about doing a fresh install just to see what gives..
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15:33<vuf>walterheck: no it will be the same
15:33<walterheck>i've been spending way too much time on this :/
15:33<vuf>yes, a firewall on B would be easier. but really, it should not be so hard. I wonder what we are missing ...
15:34<vuf>can you repaste the iptables now?
15:35<vuf>and also without "-t nat"
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15:41<walterheck>and here it is with -t nat:
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15:44<auzigog>Does anyone know what the default config file is for msmtp on Ubuntu?
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15:53<linbot>New news from forums: Permissions for Multiple User VPS in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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16:00<randallman>o/~ Romeo locks his basement flat... and scurries up the star... WIth head held high and floral tie... A weekend millionaire..... I... will make my bed... with her tonight, he cries! Can he fail armed with his chocolate surprise? o/~
16:02<vuf>walterheck: I think your packets are dropped in RH-Firewall-1-INPUT
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16:03<walterheck>i can drop the reject?
16:03<vuf>walterheck: well, that will disable the firewall, probably not what you want
16:03<walterheck>well, if that makes this work, we cantake it from there, no?
16:04<vuf>walterheck: so if I'm right this time, ssh from B should work, as port 22 is open
16:04<vuf>walterheck: right
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16:06<walterheck>dropped the rule, but ping to an ip from B still is no go
16:08<walterheck>vuf: if you wanna have a look around, there is no private data on that machine yet, i could give you access?
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16:08<vuf>walterheck: sure
16:09<walterheck>add me on skype under the same username as here?
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16:22<bd_>nice googlewhack there
16:22<bd_>well, if you add quotes
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16:26<HoopyCat>along with the livejournaler whose googlewhack will soon be violated by VS_ChanLog's diligent work, i too received that disclaimer on an advertisement for a cemetary or something
16:28<HoopyCat>looks like they offer fully-managed dedicated and virtualized storage for remains with a number of value-added services
16:29<bd_>... cloud storage?
16:31<HoopyCat>they do have an unmanaged offering involving a nature trail, but something tells me i'd have to do a lot of work to uninstall all the crap that comes with their default cremation...
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16:56<@caker>Battousai: erikh: ping!
16:56<randallman>colon seperated valuse?
16:56<randallman>values rather?
16:57<Battousai>caker: pong
16:57<@caker>Battousai: 87.14M/s !!
16:57<@caker>Battousai: I may have a fix. Still slow?
16:57<Battousai>should i reboot?
16:57<Battousai>still slow
16:57<@caker>ok, one sec.
16:58<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Ruby on Rails with Apache on Ubuntu Jaunty <> || Make a Web Server with Apache 2 on Ubuntu Jaunty <>
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16:58<Battousai>caker: better
16:58<Battousai>only 86.1MB/s
16:58<Battousai>might have to look at that
16:58<@caker>that makes so little sense .. but whatever. I fixed it!
16:59*caker flexes
16:59<Battousai>what was it?
16:59<@caker>I turn rx checksumming off, then back on again. Boom.
17:00*silverblade explodes
17:00<randallman>there's an oldie :)
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17:02<silverblade>anyone got a sec to help me set up ipv6 tunnel? im using openwrt and i dont understand the "prefix" option used in this script:
17:04<vuf>are private IPs visible to all linodes, or just to my own? i.e. is it a security feature, too, or just about accounting?
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17:05<Damianz>vuf: Private IP is accessible by all linodes its not a private vlan IIRC
17:05<Battousai>(all linodes within that datacenter)
17:06<Damianz>Linode Private IP's are the same as normaly non public routable ip's
17:06<vuf>ok thanks
17:07<Karrde>oh noes, a local privilege exploit on *all* Linux kernels
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17:07<kenichi>oh man, s11=55 duh
17:07*kenichi dials faster!
17:07<jcr>on Debian, how do I know the name of the apache user?
17:08<Karrde>it's probably www-data
17:08<Karrde>look at apache's config file, or ps -ef | grep apache ?
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17:12<jcr>Karrde: thank you very much! www-data it is
17:13*caker opens the floodgates
17:13*silverblade spills packets
17:13<randallman>speaking of groups.... Dose anyone find it ironic that RHEL has a group name 'avahi-autoipd', but the nss subsystem doesnt properly support UID/GID > 8 chars? Therefore the ownership is listed as a number? :P
17:13<linbot>New news from forums: RFT: New dom0 & Xen stack in General Discussion <>
17:14<randallman>Hmm, I guess RHEL5.x fixed that
17:14<randallman>4.x not so much
17:14<TheJoe>"Today, I finally had sex with this great guy I've been seeing. I thought I'd found a catch. We get into his room, start kissing, and things heat up. Everything is perfect until he reaches under his bed, pulls out a doughnut and shoves it into my mouth, snarling, "eat it, eat it!" FML"
17:15<randallman>eh? :P
17:15<TheJoe>Must've been a terrifying ordeal....
17:15<randallman>Yes, ordeal
17:16<Smark>My Life Is Average is way better... "I used Axe Body Spray today. I was not swarmed with girls. MLIA"
17:17<HoopyCat>silverblade: i think they just mean the IPv6 address of the LAN side of the router?
17:18<silverblade>hmm thats what localip6 is for
17:19<HoopyCat>silverblade: localip6 looks like the IPv6 address on the tunnel on the WAN side of the router
17:19<Nivex>given the kernel vulnerability I just saw pass my newsreader, I think I need to volunteer for testing that new dom0/Xen stack
17:20<Nivex>oh... " may eat your filesystem..."
17:20<Nivex>THAT's no fun
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17:21<Nivex>or does that not have any bearing on what domU kernels can run yet
17:25<HoopyCat>(bitch enough and i'll tinyurl it) ^--- i enjoy the one-liners
17:26<silverblade>HoopyCat: ok i can ping the server ipv6 address which hurricane electric have provided as the "server" ip
17:26<silverblade>but i cant actually go anywhere else
17:28<BarkerJr>HoopyCat: that's two lines on my screen
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17:28<Big-Mama>Whats the upload speed for a Linode?
17:29<silverblade>its big, mama
17:29<Battousai>caker: are you using the gentoo-xen-kernel patch for this new stack?
17:29<Big-Mama>how big?
17:29<randallman>big as urmom? :P
17:29<randallman>(sorry, had to do it)
17:29<silverblade>!urmom big
17:29<linbot>silverblade: Yo momma's so big, the earth DOES revolve around her (801:2/2) [omrmu]
17:29<BarkerJr>I hate short URLs
17:29<HoopyCat>silverblade: what did you set prefix to? :1 or so in the /48 LAN block?
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17:30<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: you bitched enough so i tinyurl'd it :-)
17:30<randallman>I tried to rickroll someone using tinyurl once - I only wound up pwning myself since apparently that is against Tiny URL's AUP.... and they de-activated the URL
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17:30<HoopyCat>Big-Mama: dang near infinite, although there's a safety limiter on outbound traffic that defaults at 50Mb/sec
17:30<silverblade>HoopyCat: errr i just stuck the server ip in there
17:31<silverblade>i'll be honest, im not entierly sure what im doing
17:31<silverblade>i got 2001:470:1f08:3c0::1 as the server ip, and 2001:470:1f08:3c0::2 as the client
17:31<BarkerJr>so I chould set tor's burst limit to like 50mbps?
17:31<BarkerJr>!mtr-newark 2001:470:1f08:3c0::1
17:31<linbot>BarkerJr: [mtr] 2001:470:1f08:3c0::1: 4 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 73.2ms
17:31<randallman>More like 400 barker :)
17:32<randallman>But that'd crank your GB usage quite fast :)
17:32<silverblade>thats to the server.
17:32<BarkerJr>!mtr-newark 2001:470:1f08:3c0::2
17:32<linbot>BarkerJr: [mtr] 2001:470:1f08:3c0::2: 5 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
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17:32<HoopyCat>silverblade: lemme take a look and double-check ye olde terminology, hang on...
17:32<silverblade>i'll get my paste in the bin
17:33<BarkerJr>well, it's just burst, so tor should average to my 25kBps anyway
17:34<Pryon>Damn. No hydrometer. Let's live dangerously!
17:34<randallman>I dunno if I'd ever wanna participate in Tor :)
17:34<silverblade>The Other Redmeat
17:34<randallman>We (my company) actually subscribes to a HUGE anonymous proxy service :)
17:35<randallman>we have over 3000 unique source IPs :P
17:35<randallman>I have a squid setup here to tap it :)
17:35<BarkerJr>does that help the folks in china?
17:35<Karrde>yo randallman when you gonna let me tap that?
17:35<randallman>No, it helps me :)
17:35<randallman>Karrde, yikes :) That sounds almost like a proposition :p
17:35<BarkerJr>well, I run tor to help the folks in iran and china and such
17:35<randallman>Barker, Ah!
17:35<randallman>I'd be more worried about nefarious users
17:36<BarkerJr>eh, so long as they can't trace it back to me...
17:37<HoopyCat>silverblade: remoteip4: Server IPv4 Address, localip4: Client IPv4 Address, localip6: Client IPv6 Address, remoteip6: Server IPv6 Address, prefix: Routed /64 (put a 1 between the :: and the /64 to pick the first IP address in the range), ttl and mtu are black magic
17:39<silverblade>ok cool, checking this now
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17:43<silverblade>HoopyCat: do i include the /64 at the end of everything?
17:44<HoopyCat>silverblade: yeah; think of that as the netmask
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17:45<silverblade>it </3 me
17:46<silverblade>the bottom part of that is the ifconfig output
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17:46<HoopyCat>silverblade: set the prefix to ::1 in the routed /64
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17:47<silverblade>::1 on its own or after everything else
17:47<silverblade>!mtr-newark 2001:470:1f08:3c0::2
17:47<linbot>silverblade: [mtr] 2001:470:1f08:3c0::2: 5 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
17:48<silverblade>i can ping ::1 from here
17:48<HoopyCat>silverblade: if, on, it says 2001:470:1f07:f41::/64 for your Routed /64, you would set prefix to 2001:470:1f07:f41::1/64
17:48<silverblade>ok done that (prior to above results)
17:48<silverblade>anyone got an ipv6 address i can ping
17:49<HoopyCat>silverblade: ping6
17:49<silverblade>hmm, nothing
17:49<HoopyCat>hang a sec
17:49*silverblade hangs, like the ping request
17:50<HoopyCat>silverblade: try now?
17:50<BarkerJr>works for me
17:50<HoopyCat>17:50:20.825065 IP6 2002:4acf:f2f1::1 > 2001:470:1f06:f41::2: ICMP6, echo request, seq 0, length 64
17:50<HoopyCat>i saw that...
17:50<silverblade>is that logged?
17:51<BarkerJr>that's me, cat
17:51<HoopyCat>silverblade: tcpdump -i interfacenamehere -n :-)
17:51<silverblade>im pinging with 69 length
17:51<silverblade>can you see that
17:51<BarkerJr> domain name pointer
17:51<HoopyCat>silverblade: negative
17:52<silverblade>wth is wrong with this
17:52<HoopyCat>silverblade: pastebin ip -6 addr and ip -6 route ?
17:52<BarkerJr>can I call you cat?
17:53<silverblade>i could think of worse nick-nicks
17:53<HoopyCat>silverblade: have you rebooted since you changed the prefix option?
17:53<BarkerJr>you can call me bjr
17:53<silverblade>ah no.
17:53<HoopyCat>silverblade: you have a pile of conflicting shit in there, and i think that'd be the best way
17:54<silverblade>ok :)
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17:56<sblade>HoopyCat: still cant ping ye
17:56*HoopyCat puts ears on
17:57<BarkerJr>pointy ears?
17:58<HoopyCat>sblade: wait a sec... on, what does it say for Client IPv6 Address, and what does it say for Routed /64?
17:59<sblade>client => 2001:470:1f08:3c0::2/64
17:59<sblade>routed /64 => 2001:470:1f09:3c0::/64
17:59<Yaakov> Yay! iPhone 3GS is here. "Restore in Progeress"
18:00<sblade>Do I need to allow anything special on my ipfilters?
18:01<HoopyCat>sblade: for some reason, it's setting br-lan to 2001:470:1f08:3c0::1/64 instead of 2001:470:1f09:3c0::1/64
18:02<Yaakov>I said...
18:02<Yaakov> Yay! iPhone 3GS is here. "Restore in Progeress"
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18:03<auzigog>Any ideas why msmtp is giving me this error? "msmtp: account default not found: no configuration file available" ...I have a file at /etc/msmtprc and everything is filled out as properly as possible. Any ideas?
18:03<sblade>br-lan is... the lan interface...
18:03<sblade>ok wth.
18:04<sblade>at this rate i might as well just set up tunnels on each machine individually
18:05<HoopyCat>sblade: pastebin the config file again?
18:07<HoopyCat>sblade: *points at line #7*
18:07<sblade>who wha
18:07<BarkerJr>sblade, 6to4 :)
18:08*sblade fumbles
18:08<sblade>ok copy and paste time
18:08<sblade>i thought it was the same as my remote ip
18:08<HoopyCat>sblade: ah, nope. you're configuring a router, which routes between two networks, so you gotta have two different networks on each side of it :-)
18:09<sblade>cant ping again
18:10<sblade>do i need the 1 or just the ::/
18:10<HoopyCat>sblade: you need the 2001:470:1f09:3c0::1/64
18:10<nessenj>mmm, ipv6
18:10<HoopyCat>sblade: (they're being somewhat misleading for using the word "prefix" there)
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18:11<sblade>im starting to hate openwrt for trying to make its own config files that are nonstandard compared to everything else in the world
18:11<@caker>kernel_sendpage() doesn't exist in 2.6.18 ... :(
18:11<nessenj>Yaakob: let me know how your 3GS works for you, mine was returned for lousy service :(
18:11<sblade>I can't ping 2001:470:1f08:3c0::1
18:11<nessenj>err Yaakov
18:11<sblade>!mtr-newark 2001:470:1f08:3c0::2
18:11<nessenj>damn keyboard :)
18:12<linbot>sblade: [mtr] 2001:470:1f08:3c0::2: 5 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
18:12<erikh>caker: not to sound like a broken record, but did you manage to figure out the bandwidth issue on newark150?
18:12<Battousai>erikh: he did
18:12<erikh>oh sweet
18:12<HoopyCat>sblade: you might need to ip -6 addr del 2001:470:1f08:3c0::1/64 and maybe ip -6 addr del 2001:470:1f09:3c0::/64 (without the 1 on the second one)
18:12<BarkerJr>which is the better data centre? fremont or newark?
18:12<erikh>I haven't had time to think about taking a crap this week, much less actually pass anything or look at my server
18:12<@caker>BarkerJr: the one closer to you
18:13<HoopyCat>nessenj: it's an interesting way to be introduced to the joy that is IP routing, that's for sure. :-) i remember fudging my way through IPv4 back in the day, urgh
18:13<erikh>moving sucks. moving 2500 miles sucks a LOT. that is all.
18:13<nessenj>HoopyCat: i just got my IPv6 stuff working, it was a blast getting it all going
18:14<BarkerJr>well, newark doesn't have a stratum 1 ntp server, so that's a minus
18:14<HoopyCat>nessenj: indeed it is
18:14<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: stratum means nothing
18:14<BarkerJr>it means bragging rights
18:14<sblade>root@Caramel:/etc/config# ip -6 addr del 2001:470:1f08:3c0::1/64 dev hurricane
18:14<sblade>RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address
18:15<sblade>my foot answers....
18:15<HoopyCat>sblade: well, this is why it's hardware and can be rebooted fast, right?
18:16<sblade>ok brb
18:19<sblade>still no joy
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18:20<HoopyCat>sblade: huh. pastebin ip -6 addr and ip -6 route again?
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18:24<HoopyCat>sblade: and from the router, 2001:470:1f08:3c0::1 is not pingable?
18:24<HoopyCat>sblade: this sucker use iptables, by chance?
18:24<sblade>do i need to fire my firewall
18:25<HoopyCat>sblade: possibly... iptables -L and ip6tables -L may find that you're blocking either or both of: protocol 41 traffic, or icmp crap on ipv6
18:25<sblade>i dont have ip6tables installed
18:26<HoopyCat>urmom pees tables
18:27<HoopyCat>not having ip6tables installed drastically reduces the odds that something broke that end, at least :-)
18:27<auzigog>pparadis: how goes the tutorial? i'm all ansy in my pantsy
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18:27<HoopyCat>auzigog: take them off!
18:27*auzigog takes of his pants and stands awkwardly in the middle of his office
18:27<auzigog>(i don't think they're responding how i had hoped...)
18:27<sblade>what will show up if blocking protocol 41
18:28<HoopyCat>i gotta run and pick up some vegetables, bbiab
18:28<walterheck>so i let vuf sodomise my linode's for a bit and he cannot find anything wrong with them. Now we wonder if it is allowed to have one linode as a gateway for another?
18:29<@caker>walterheck: what are you doing?
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18:29<sblade>applying liberal amounts of tinfoil i believe
18:29<@caker>walterheck: if you're re-writing packets, then likely no. But there may be work-arounds
18:30<walterheck>i want A to be the gateway for B, and remove B's public ip (i consider it a security risk)
18:30<vuf>caker: we set the default route of one linode to be the private ip of the other linode, but packets never arrive
18:30<walterheck>ie. have a sql node and a web node
18:31<walterheck>and the sql node doesn't need to be publicly accessible, it just needs outgoing traffic to work
18:31<BarkerJr>walterheck, you should port-shift, too
18:32<BarkerJr>why don't you just socks proxy?
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18:33<auzigog>So I'm confused about the port for SMTP. All the sample config files for msmtp say it should be 587, but the docs for msmtp say it should 465 or 25. Anyone have any idea what that's all about?
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18:34<walterheck>BarkerJr: honestly: because nobody suggested it as a simple solution to my problem :)
18:34<BarkerJr>but really, why do you need internet access?
18:34<@caker>ifup eth0; do stuff; ifdown eth0
18:34<@caker>or the alias, or whatever...
18:35<BarkerJr>hey, I was just gonna say that
18:35<vuf>auzigog: port 465 is the SSL version of port 25
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18:35<vuf>so packets mixing private/public IP are dropped, is that right?
18:35<auzigog>vuf: all the tutorials on using msmtp to relay through google's servers of TLS say to use port 587. i'm confused.
18:36<@caker>no, but we have strict rules to prevent promiscuity and ARP poisoning
18:37*Battousai prevents urmom's promiscuity
18:38<vuf>auzigog: go for 587
18:38<walterheck>caker: so this not working is most likely due to linode's secuirty and not due to mine and/or vuf's blindness?
18:39<@caker>walterheck: I dunno. Want me to tcpdump?
18:39<auzigog>vuf: okay. i am getting this error. not sure if it's related to the port:
18:40<walterheck>if i say yes, you expect me to know what to do, right? :)
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18:40<vuf>auzigog: add --tls-certcheck=off somewhere
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18:41<auzigog>vuf: google only lets you do smtp relay over TLS. so i have to keep it on
18:41<vuf>auzigog: it turns the check off, not the entire tls
18:42<@caker>walterheck: this'll go quickly if you're around to execute a couple of commands (that I'll provide). Got a few?
18:42<auzigog>vuf: here's the config file:
18:42<walterheck>caker: sure
18:42<@caker>walterheck: ok -- which Linode is the one without a public IP?
18:44<@caker>walterheck: ok -- try to ping LinodeA's private IP
18:44<vuf>auzigog: well that trust file should also make you not get the warnings. do you have it, and is it the right one?
18:45<auzigog>yea. apt-get install ca-certificates
18:45<auzigog>and the file is in place
18:45<walterheck>caker: ping is running
18:45<@caker>walterheck: and working, right?
18:46<@caker>walterheck: ok, you can stop that.
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18:47<@caker>walterheck: now try to ping LinodeA's public IP
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18:47<walterheck>caker: running and working
18:48<vuf>auzigog: okay, stupid question, is the msmtp config in /etc ?
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18:49<@caker>walterheck: well, it seems as though LinodeA<->LinodeB works just fine
18:49<auzigog>vuf: /etc/msmtprc even
18:50<@caker>walterheck: considering you're sshed to LinodeB through LinodeA :)
18:50<walterheck>caker: it does, but when i try to go play outside from B, tht's when somethuing stops me :)
18:51<vuf>auzigog: well, I don't know msmtp and also not google apps, but I would try with tls_certcheck off :-)
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18:52<@caker>walterheck: ok, let's try that then. Stop the running ping on LinodeB and run this: ping -c1
18:52<walterheck>unknown host :)
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18:53<walterheck>caker: i can ping it's ip address for you? it times out though
18:54<@caker>walterheck: what's the routing table look like on LinodeB? route -n --> , please
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18:56<auzigog>vuf: i'll take a look. thanks for your help :)
18:57<@caker>walterheck: ping -c1
18:58<walterheck>caker: done, timed out..
18:59<@caker>walterheck: one more time, please
18:59<walterheck>caker: done, timed out again..
19:00<Yaakov>caker: I got my 3G [S]
19:02<@caker>walterheck: once more
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19:02<walterheck>caker: done, timed out again..
19:02<andyuk>hi, do linode offer custom packages?
19:03<walterheck>andyuk: you can start with a standard one and then add or remove ram/disk etc.
19:03<andyuk>Thanks walterheck - the specific reason I'm asking is because my requirements are far less than the lowest package
19:04<walterheck>ah, no. you cannot go lower than what you order
19:04<walterheck>you can only go up as far as i have seen
19:05<andyuk>hm ok. well I'll email them, see if they can offer a custom plan aside from their standard package. doubt it though, not many providers do that sort of thing nowadays...
19:05<andyuk>thanks :)
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19:06<@caker>walterheck: ok, it's sending the packets with a source IP of your private IP, a dest IP of the IP you want to reach (, for instance), but with a target MAC of the other Linode's private IP.
19:06<@caker>walterheck: on LinodeA's side, it sees an incoming packet with its MAC, but with an IP that isn't its, so the packet is dropped.
19:06<@caker>walterheck: in other words, look for a different solution.
19:07<walterheck>caker: that makes sense. i guess ill grudgingly add the public ip back on LinodeB then
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19:08<auzigog>is the gnome keychain available on Ubuntu Server? Or just the desktop version?
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19:09<auzigog>I'm trying to find a secure place to store a password. msmtp says it will look in the ~/.netrc file and it will check the gnome/osx keychain
19:12<@caker>Yaakov: w00t!
19:12*walterheck thanks caker and vuf for outstanding help!
19:12<Yaakov>caker: I get about 800k/s on 3G.
19:12<Yaakov>I am impressed.
19:12<@caker>tethering is awesome, too. I rebooted a host from the car on the way home yesterday
19:12<@caker>Plug in iPhone, Go. It's that easy.
19:13<auzigog>vuf: not sure if you know the answer to this, but if i'm connecting to gmail's server on port 587, do i need to leave that port open on my firewall?
19:13<Yaakov>I might have to mess with that.
19:13<Yaakov>It didn't work on the Gen 1.
19:14<vuf>auzigog: you don't have to open
19:14<auzigog>wonderful. and since i'm not receiving mail, i can close all mail-related ports. woot
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19:18<Bryan>is something going on with the network?
19:18<Bryan>having issues connecting to my vps
19:18<bd_>not afaik. what host are you on?
19:19<Bryan>the planet
19:19<Bryan>in dallas
19:19<bd_>which specific host? You can find it by logging into the panel.
19:19<tierra>I'm there, and I don't see any problems
19:19<linbot>bd_: [mtr] 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 39.7ms
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19:22<bd_>yes 3
19:23<walterheck>times 5
19:25<vuf>don't fall asleep on the keyboard
19:27<sblade>OMG I CANNOT CONNECT 3 3 3 3 33 3 3 3
19:27<sblade>beware of the ninja 3s
19:29<sblade>OMG IT WORKS
19:29*sblade faps over ipv6
19:30<sblade>...ok maybe its not that exciting but i figured it out wwooooo
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19:31<sblade>HoopyCat: just so you can sleep tonight :p - the problem was localip4 needed to be option localip4 ''
19:31<sblade>ie, my modem's ip
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19:32<auzigog>When I relay mail through gmail's SMTP server, it doesn't have any of the fun header info like "mailed by gmail" or "signed by gmail"
19:33<HoopyCat>sblade: ...?! that's weird.
19:33<sblade>i have a separate router and modem
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19:33<sblade>hurricane's page says
19:34<sblade>"*NOTE* When behind a firewall appliance that passes protocol41, instead of using the IPv4 endpoint you provided to our broker, use the IPv4 address you get from your appliance's DHCP service."
19:34<HoopyCat>sblade: so do i. wait, your modem does NAT too? yick
19:34<HoopyCat>sblade: bloody miracle it works :-)
19:34<sblade>yes, it sucks
19:34<sblade>the modem is actually fairly impressive
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19:34<sblade>it was just an ADSL2 capable modem with option to be a primtiive router
19:35<sblade>i stuck RouterTech firmware on it, and its actually a full-blown 1port router
19:35<sblade>basically my modem and router, both linksys branded, are running alternative firmwares which are Linux based
19:36<HoopyCat>i suppose i'm lucky in that my ISP hands off a publically-routable IP :-)
19:38<linbot>New news from forums: Dynamic DNS Support in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
19:40<sblade>Now then
19:40<sblade>how do i get my client machines to work with this
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19:48<BarkerJr>HoopyCat: I found the solution to ntpd not binding to interfaces on ifup... turns out that was fixed in a newer version of ntpd than centos has
19:49<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: yeah, i remember that one.
19:49<HoopyCat>sblade: radvd
19:49<BarkerJr>how come you didn't tell me last week? :(
19:56<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: i stopped using centos awhile ago
19:57<sblade>i got that partially working
19:57<sblade>is there a way i can give static assignments from the router?
19:57<sblade>!mtr-newark 2001:470:1f08:3c0:21f:c6ff:fe38:4e8c
19:57<linbot>sblade: [mtr] 2001:470:1f08:3c0:21f:c6ff:fe38:4e8c: 7 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
19:58<HoopyCat>sblade: radvd broadcasts across the LAN saying "i'm a router, here's my address range, pick an IP, godspeed". it doesn't really do any sort of real IP assignment. for that, you'd need DHCP
19:58<sblade>ok cool, i'll look into a dhcp option
19:59<sblade>I'm quite happy that I got this working to this point though
19:59<sblade>presumably i will be wanting to install ip6tables at some poit
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20:06<HoopyCat>sblade: routing is fun!
20:07<sblade>Yes, i learned that when setting up a VPN tunnel over an unencrypted wireless connection to a friends house over a mile away
20:07<sblade>that was fun. i ditched my internet connection and used his
20:11*Big-Mama slaps sblade around a bit with a large trout
20:11*Big-Mama slaps HoopyCat around a bit with a large trout
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20:13<sblade>PING 56 data bytes
20:13<sblade>64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=98.8 ms
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20:13<sblade>!mtr-newark 2001:470:1f09:3c0:21f:c6ff:fe38:4e8c
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20:13<linbot>sblade: [mtr] 2001:470:1f09:3c0:21f:c6ff:fe38:4e8c: 6 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 98.8ms
20:14<HoopyCat>sblade: wooot
20:14<sblade>Now I can....
20:14<sblade>....I can.....
20:14<sblade>...wait, what can i do?
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20:14<HoopyCat>sblade: the turtle is swimmin', yo
20:14<sblade>yup yup!
20:15<sblade>i kame
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20:16<sblade>no idea what half the other config options do
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20:18<HoopyCat>sblade: you can also enjoy exclusive ipv6 content, like graphs showing the signal/noise ratio for our cable modem!
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20:20<sblade>oh nice
20:20<HoopyCat>tonight, we salute you, mr. going-up-and-down-the-street-on-a-motorized-personal-transporter-powered-by-a-lawnmower-engine, for finding something you like to do and doing it, every few hours, every day, all summer long
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20:22<anders1>hi according to i need a kernel with various xen options enabled, or do i just need one with paravirt_guest? the kernel i'm running doesn't have: config_xen / xen_blkdev_frontend / xen_netdev_frontend / hvc_xen / xen_balloon / xen_scrub_pages
20:22<anders1>was hoping i could just boot the stock kernel from the distro i'm using with pv-grub
20:23<Karrde>you can, usually
20:23<HoopyCat>anders1: which distro?
20:23<anders1>HoopyCat: arch
20:27<sblade>HoopyCat: i can install muninlite, is that the same thing
20:29<HoopyCat>anders1: offhand, i dunno, but try it and see. i THINK paravirt_guest would do it...
20:29<HoopyCat>sblade: dunno :-)
20:29<HoopyCat>sblade: note that the chart in question is rather custom
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20:29<teef>you could try:
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20:30<sblade>how do you actually open http urls containing ipv6 addys
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20:31<nessenj>HoopyCat: yer graphs are purty :)
20:32<bd_>anders1: If you don't have xen_blkdev_frontend, you won't be able to access the disk. If you don't have xen_netdev_frontend, you won't be able to use the network. And if you don't have hvc_xen, don't expect to be able to print anything to the lish console :)
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20:32<bd_>anders1: But if a black box that can boot from initrd and that's about it is enough, then sure, that'll work ;)
20:33<HoopyCat>nessenj: you don't really handle that many NTP queries, eh? ;-)
20:33<bd_>you'll have to encode your output into cpu usage and parse it out of the graphs though
20:34<nessenj>HoopyCat: i dunno why it seems that i have a ton of queries against me
20:34<anders1>bd_: alright, i'll do a custom kernel.. thanks
20:35<bd_>anders1: What distro are you on?
20:35<anders1>bd_: arch linux
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20:35<bd_>oh, don't know then
20:35<bd_>ubuntu has a kernel that works
20:35<teef>do you need a minimal .config?
20:35<anders1>no i've already done the config, but thanks
20:36<HoopyCat>nessenj: even averaging 30 queries/second, ntpd is still only a tinge ahead of a crap-ass single-purpose HTTP proxy i wrote to handle ~2-3 requests/week, CPU-usage-wise
20:36<Yaakov><O> <3 MY BROILER
20:37<HoopyCat>dammit, it's dark out and Yaakov is still around, that means tomorrow isn't saturday
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20:38<nessenj>ugh, an hour and 1/2 left of on call duty
20:38<sblade>HoopyCat: thanks for the help btw.
20:39<Yaakov>You know, HoopyCat, I think NTP is more accurate than that.
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20:45<BarkerJr>HoopyCat: the big disadvantage of dynamic interfaces is you gotta run it as root so it can bind to 123
20:47<HoopyCat>Yaakov: yeah, but i'd have to let my gaze wander towards the upper right corner of my monitor, and we all know the lower left is where the party is
20:47<encode>A pizza of radius 'z' and thickness 'a' has what volume?
20:48<HoopyCat>encode: πz²a
20:48<encode>ugh, putty unicode fail
20:48<HoopyCat>encode: or, i suppose, πaz²
20:49<HoopyCat>dozens of people are probably frantically hitting ctrl-L trying to figure out why their IRC window went all wonky. if so, hi!
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20:49<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: that's the big disadvantage of binding to a port < 1024
20:49<Karrde>what does ctrl+L do?
20:49<Karrde>* Karrde has quit
20:50<encode>ahh, UTF-8 ftw
20:50<HoopyCat>Karrde: either clears the screen, redraws the screen, or spits out a sheet of paper
20:51<Karrde>in mIRC it turns on the 'last line marker' - when they switch away a big red line will appear
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20:51<BarkerJr>it's yellow here
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20:51<HoopyCat>woah, mIRC is still around?
20:51<nessenj><3 irssi
20:51<Karrde>haw haw
20:52*amitz used to write bot using mIRC. It's painful since the language miss something important..
20:52<Karrde>like arrays
20:52<Karrde>and true recursion
20:52<amitz>Karrde: I think it's worse than that. But I really forget.
20:52<HoopyCat>no, seriously. i remember my first gf got stuck using that old, decrepid thing when the free linux shell server she used was down :-)
20:53<BarkerJr>tcl is much much better
20:53<amitz>I think it doesn't have loop.
20:53<BarkerJr>really, I keep telling myself it is
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20:54<BarkerJr>no eggdrop fans here?
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20:55<Karrde>amitz: mIRC has while loops
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20:55<HoopyCat>man, i'm getting nostalgic
20:55<BarkerJr>they're called goto
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20:57<amitz>Karrde: yeah, just checked.
20:58<amitz>there is something important it miss, I forgot what. But it's somewhat fatal.. damn, I'm old.
20:59<Karrde>has hash tables but not arrays
20:59<linbot>New news from forums: Why my linodes CPU + Disk IO Spiking? in Performance and Tuning <>
20:59<Karrde>so you're stuck with things like %array. [ $+ [ %index ] ]
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21:04<amitz>Karrde: I think I haven't reached that point yet. I think my problem was related to my incompetence (AT THAT TIME! :-p), now that I think about it.
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21:07<amitz>HoopyCat: that thing introduce the whole new world without moving from my seat! The asl people, who will talk to you only if your asl is right. The first script kiddies. Etc. Etc.
21:08<amitz>It's so bad that people's nickname reflect their asl and preferences.
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21:09<HoopyCat>amitz: 19/f/absecon nj
21:09<HoopyCat>err wait what?
21:09<linbot>Destroy all humans.
21:09*linbot attacks
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21:10<cafuego>/nick 74_m_scatpron
21:12<amitz>HoopyCat: oooh, are you single? I'm 20/m/so_filthy_rich_no_place_called_home
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21:13<amitz>cafuego: not that frontal but maybe I was at the wrong channel :-p
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21:17*cafuego mistakenly thouight she was on efnet :-P
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21:18<booja>efnet... that still exists? :D
21:18<Yaakov>caker: Wow, the tethering is stellar.
21:18<@caker>too easy.
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21:18<Yaakov>I used the bluetooth, zoooom.
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21:21<amitz>Yaakov: I have been using bluetooth almost exclusively ever since I'm in #linode :-)
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21:24<amitz>there seems to be a bug in bluetooth and atheros wifi combination. Their performance interfere with each other a lot.
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21:25<TheJoe>Wait - linbot is sentient?!
21:25<Core>Question. What is the linode primary dns ip address?
21:26<amitz>it's gonna be noticeable if you vnc over wifi while downloading more than 30KBytes/s.
21:27<amitz> ?
21:27<Core>Anyone? Linode primary DNS ip address?
21:27<amitz>from 1 to 4.
21:27<Core>Is dns and nameserver one and the same thing?
21:27<amitz>what setting do you plan to set?
21:27<snowfell>when are the kernels going to be patched for ?
21:28<@caker>when there's a patch for 2.6.18, and when they release another stable release of 2.6.30
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21:28<Core>I plan to have a slave dns in a plesk host I am with and have the website be on my linode. I have set it all up, only problem is plesk can send but not receiving e-mails.
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21:29<Core>My Setup. In linode A records and point to Plesk ip. Nameservers are linode, as well as www.
21:31<amitz>Core: have you set mx records?
21:32<Core>Yes. mx I set that up in linode dns. Linode dns is my master dns.
21:32<BarkerJr>so, will linode slave my domains for free?
21:32<Core>plesk allows me to set its dns to slave, which I did.
21:33<Core>BakerJr, you mean, slave your dns? Yes.
21:33<Core>BarkerJr, you mean, slave your dns? Yes.
21:34<amitz>BarkerJr: as long as you're a paying customer and you don't have too many to slave :-p
21:34<BarkerJr>I only have a few dozen
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21:34<amitz>BarkerJr: I'm not linode but I guess that's fine.
21:34<Core>now i9 only lack the ability for the Plesked e-mail to reply. It can send without any issues. Let me check my mail servers in my mail client too to be sure.
21:35<chuck>DNS is taking an exceptionally long time to update, is there something wrong with Linode DNS, or am I just being impaitient?
21:35<@caker>chuck: what domain and what record?
21:36<amitz>Core> now i9 only lack the ability for the Plesked e-mail to reply <-- I thought built-in email support is a new feature of the soon to be launched i9 core :-p
21:36<BarkerJr>I was reading that ntpd crashes if you have over 1000 interfaces
21:36<Core>Sorry everyone. The Plesked e-mail cannot RECEIVE.
21:36<Battousai>you just don't appreciate gigabit networks until you've do-release-upgrade'd at dialup speeds
21:37<Core>emitz: "I thought built-in email support is a new feature of the soon to be launched i9 core
21:37<amitz>Battousai: I don't bother to apt-cache the repository anymore in linode :-)
21:37<Core>emitz: what do you mean?
21:38<Core>amitz: what do you mean?
21:38<Core>Will we be getting e-mail hosting too?
21:38<amitz>Core: oh, your nick name (core) and i9 makes me think about "Intel i9 Core" a possible descendant of Intel i7 Core :-)
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21:38<chuck>caker:, base domain and *
21:39<chuck>i might be impaitient, but I just cleared opendns's cache after a few hours and it's still got the old address
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21:45<toyo|desk>is enabling APC on a linode 360 running drupal a good idea?
21:45<amitz>jhford: you connect from google's wifi? How good is it?
21:45<auzigog>pparadis: is it the afternoon yet? <3
21:46<HoopyCat>chuck: the domain is served by ns3 and
21:46<jhford>amitz: outside on castro st in mv right now and it is awesome
21:46<jhford>walk into a bus shelter and it sucks
21:46<HoopyCat>chuck: both are serving serial 1174096288, which is what i'm seeing through opendns
21:46<auzigog>My tutorial is exploding:
21:48<amitz>jhford: oh, interesting.
21:48<jhford>yep. there are repeaters for indoor use though
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21:49<chuck>HoopyCat: oh really?
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21:49<chuck>durr, my mistake
21:50<toyo|desk>thanks Kerem I am looking now
21:50<chuck>i thought I had switched it over to Linode DNS by now, I guess not
21:50<amitz>jhford: yeah, but buying a repeater for a service that's not guaranteed to be free is quite risky :-)
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21:50<jhford>its $100, that is 5 months of discount comcast
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21:51<amitz>oh, you mean using comcast repeater that is supposed to be use for comcast service (only)?
21:51<HoopyCat>chuck: there's a sad trombone holding on line 2
21:52<toyo|desk>Kerem, looks like according to the tests they are all about the same however eAccelerator and XCache are unstable :/
21:53<Kerem>toyo|desk: go with APC
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21:53<toyo|desk>yeah I have it installed just need to figure out what the settings should be set to
21:54<Kerem>toyo|desk: here is an another one, :)
21:54<jhford>amitz: no a wifi repeater that is for google
21:55<jhford>and the signal diies north of central exp.
21:55<toyo|desk>Kerem, the problem is they dont really say how much ram their sys has
21:55<toyo|desk>yea they do
21:55<Kerem>toyo|desk: which i see they talked about some issue with apc.
21:55<toyo|desk>thats a lot
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21:58<toyo|desk>ok runnin AB now
21:59<toyo|desk>some where in the channel logs I have my old AB results
22:00<toyo|desk>Requests per second: 15.55 [#/sec] (mean)
22:00<toyo|desk>so thats my old score
22:01<toyo|desk>Requests per second: 16.15 [#/sec] (mean)
22:01<toyo|desk>lol 1 more request yay
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22:03<Kerem>toyo|desk: :) lol
22:03<toyo|desk>not sure why its not workin so hot
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22:05<auzigog1>Can I poll the room?
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22:05<LadyNikon>Channel.. irc channel.. not room :p
22:06<auzigog1>Question 1: Do you use SSH on port 22? Question 2: Do you think it's too confusing for new users to configure a non-standard port and remember to use it properly in the future 9when following other tutorials, for example)?
22:06<Karrde>1) yes 2) yes
22:06<toyo|desk>I use the standard port
22:06<LadyNikon>shouldnt this be better on the forums?
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22:07<LadyNikon>you would probably get more responses
22:07<toyo|desk>and I have configured fail2ban to take care of the bots
22:08<sptremblay_>yes but he can have quicker response on the IRC
22:09<jtsage>auzigog1- i can barely remember to type usernames and full host names when i'm on a system i don't have aliases set in my ssh config. remebering a port as well just isn't in the cards. (so yes, to both)
22:10<auzigog1>Hmmm. Maybe I'll remove that section from my tutorial, then. Or create an "advanced config" section.
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22:11<Karrde>tbf, I change the SSH port on my router-running-Linux. Probably because I can't run denyhosts on it
22:11<teef>we port-knock it
22:14<Kerem_>my linode is buuurrrningg
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22:16<toyo|desk>better get some cream for that Kerem
22:16<sptremblay_>what linux distribution is the best suited for a guy like me who has developer skills but not so much on system administration ?
22:16<amitz>sptremblay_: ubuntu
22:16<auzigog1>sptremblay_: Ubuntu. Want to beta test my "developer but not a system admin" tutorial? hehe. god i'm shameless...
22:17<auzigog1>That's the way I started a week ago before writing this tutorial
22:17<Kerem_>i dont know. ssh stop responding. i connected via lish entered username and again stuck there. i have no idea. i just did a reboot.
22:18<toyo|desk>hmm sounds like super high IO...or at least thats what happens to mine when that happens
22:18<Karrde>sptremblay_: Ubuntu
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22:18<Karrde>Kerem_: define 'stop responding.' define 'stuck'. Relay your Linux distro and pastebin any relevant errors.
22:19<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
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22:19<Guest44>hi i'm trying to simply shut off my linode so I can copy it over to another linode.
22:20<Guest44>but it is just hanging and not shutting down
22:20<Guest44>any clue what the issue could be
22:20<Karrde>Guest44: initiate a shutdown via the Linode web interface and then wait.
22:21<Guest44>ohh I think I know did it in the wrong order
22:21<Guest44>hopefully that doesn't screw things up
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22:25<@caker>Guest44: your Linode is thrashing like crazy
22:25<toyo|desk>hm well enabling and configuring APC seems to have made my site a little more snappy
22:25<@caker>Device: tps blk read/s blk wrt/s blk read blk wrt
22:25<@caker>you (63293) 6464.32 51714.57 0.00 102912 0
22:25<@caker>^-- insanity
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22:28<toyo|desk>ooh neat how do you do that
22:28<Karrde>1. become caker
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22:29<toyo|desk>oh :(
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22:33<linode>hello everyone
22:33<linode>hello everyone
22:33<linode> what is wrong with there hosting compared to linode or any other vps hosting
22:34<bd_>what makes you think any of us have used them :|
22:34<@jed>you know it's a bad sign when I've never even heard of a competitor
22:34<linode>i used to have a vps through linode
22:34<bd_>their prices look a bit low compared with the competition - where are they cutting corners?
22:34<linode>just curious what makes them better or worse
22:34<@jed>bd_: contention, guaranteed
22:34<Palintheus>jed: but their the leading provider!
22:34<bd_>aha, it's openvz
22:35<bd_>xen's more expensive
22:35<@jed>their xen is more expensive
22:35<bd_>damn it, take a spinlock before racing for irc like that :)
22:35<@caker>linode: our IPs have racing stripes
22:35<npmr>they have a dude leaning on a rack on their homepage
22:35<npmr>linode's got nothin like that
22:35<@jed>when I flew to phoenix I thought about it
22:36<@jed>like, all of us linode employees with our arms crossed standing on servers
22:36<@jed>on our homepage.
22:36<npmr>ha ha
22:36<@caker>jed: with headsets?
22:36<@jed>no, ray-bans.
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22:36<linode>so are they really better for a one man vps and one site?
22:37<@jed>linode: I highly doubt it, you get a lot in the support department with us
22:37<Bohemian>anybody here use drupal?
22:37<@jed>my gut feeling tells me tickets with these guys would be an adventure
22:37<@caker>linode: go for it -- if they work for you, then great...
22:37<linode>jed what if i never needed support ?
22:37<@jed>linode: want the honest answer?
22:37<Karrde>well it looks like you've made up your mind already
22:38<@jed>something's wrong.
22:38<linode>jed yes i do looking to get a vps again?
22:38*caker creates a new report
22:39<linode>i want the onhest awnswer
22:40<@jed>I gave it to you -- if you never need support, something's wrong
22:40<SelfishMan>I know photonvps
22:40<linode>jed but if i dont need support they are better?
22:40<@jed>not in the slightest
22:40<Bohemian>who's better?
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22:40<@jed>these guys have 0 market rep, because we study our market and I've never even heard of them
22:41<@jed>which means they're unproven
22:41<@jed>you sign up with them they could disappear tomorrow
22:41<Daevien>cheaper doesn't mean better, but you look to be more trying to troll people here than anything
22:41<Karrde>so you're saying if I go with photonvps, my car will get free racing stripes?
22:41<SelfishMan>I typically refer to photonvps in here as $crappyvpsprovider7
22:41<npmr>i had voip termination through a service that "just worked"
22:41<ajmitch>jed: but their domain has been registered for over a year, so they must be good! :)
22:41<npmr>never had any need for support
22:41<npmr>everything was awesome
22:42<npmr>until the company disappeared off the map overnight
22:42<@jed>linode: we've been in business six years now and we've proven ourselves in our market as a leader; if photonvps works for you, more power to you, but I can tell you that it's likely an unwise decision on your part
22:42<Smark>linode, you get pretty good support in this channel, and excellent support via tickets... In here its staff and users helping when they can, with tickets you get fast responses
22:43<SelfishMan>photonvps is really good at blaming users for host problems. The uptime in one week was less than 40%.
22:43<Smark>linode, im curious, and not that it matters, what are you going to be using your VPS for (no matter who you go with)?
22:43<Smark>BBB has been fail in my experience...
22:45<linode>Smark: just a basic apache web server and hosting 2 of my sites using maybe 75 gig a month on bandwidth and that is about it? i just want the control of a vps?
22:45<Smark>"Our goal is to improve and refine our services to better accommodate you." Read: We don't really know what we're doing so except to be disappointed until we learn.
22:45<Smark>ah ok
22:46<Smark>Whereas Linode has already been improving and refining their services for the past six years.
22:46<linode>Smark so linode is better
22:46<Kerem> is the owner of the photonvps. their pages are under construction. great marketing strategy
22:46<Smark>also, homepage said Photon is "semi-managed"... I'm not clear what that means
22:46<jtsage>a good bit of the copy on the site was either not written in english originally, or by someone who did not learn english as thier first language.
22:47<Smark>Ew, its a VPS, except they run everything
22:47<jtsage>nothing wrong with that, per se, but it makes me a bit wary that they didn't at least find someone to proof it for them...
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22:47<@caker>"Each VPS are guaranteed its RAM"
22:47<@jed>yeah, exactly
22:47<SelfishMan>jtsage: or someone that did actually learn english as their first language but was part of the "no child left behind" act
22:47<Bohemian>support india!
22:47<jtsage>Smark- you mean this? "Service watch - Our staff will monitor your services such as http, pop3, ping, smtp, mysql port. If any of the service goes down our team will login and restart or resolve the service for you. All alerts used are in 2 minutes intervals that will be alerted to our 24/7 staff."
22:48<SelfishMan>I do know that their "Xen" plans actually use OpenVZ
22:48<@jed>they offer installation of "RBL" for $10.95
22:48<@jed>RBL - Spam and viruses is a constant problem on the internet today. Subscribe to the RBL installation and a tech will install RBL's that will eliminate 90% of all spam and incoming viruses.
22:48<@jed>just saying
22:48<Kerem>oh they are from india
22:48<Bohemian>90 PERCENT
22:48<@caker>Security Subscription - $15.95/mo <-- wtf?
22:48<Smark>meaning they setup and manage everything for you... its like managed hosting, except you can install your orn apps
22:48<jtsage>SelfishMan- too true. I spent the last 2 days editing a company newsletter for public consumption. and I know the people who wrote for it it... (poorly)
22:48<Bohemian>take that linode!
22:48<bd_>caker: clamav, I bet
22:49<Kerem>and i dont get the idea why they have 4 different web hosting *companies*
22:49<linode>i dont eitehr
22:49<@jed>linode: I'd be wary of any company with a 'z' for an 's' in their name
22:49<Smark>linode, I'll put it to you like this: These people (PhotonVPS) seem to be newbies at the VPS game, and it looks like you'd actually be getting "Advanced Managed Hosting" which is not what you want.
22:50<SelfishMan>caker: I think that is the "mod_security" config subscription
22:50<linode>right ok
22:51<@jed>jsmith@upsidedown:~$ dig +short A
22:51<@jed>jsmith@upsidedown:~$ dig +short -x
22:51*jed blinks
22:52<Smark>jed, thats really funny
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22:52<@jed>I think that settles that
22:52<bd_>the best part is doesn't resolve
22:53<jtsage>bd - nor does www. or just the domain....
22:53<SelfishMan>nope, but I have multiple spam samples directing people to
22:53<bd_>so they're spammers, too?
22:53<ajmitch>jed: oddly I don't get the same reverse DNS entry for
22:54<@jed>ajmitch: against which nameserver?
22:54<Kerem>Primary nameserver:
22:54<Kerem>Primary nameserver:
22:54<ajmitch>against whatever my ISP is providing, it was resolving back to
22:54<Kerem>Hostmaster E-mail address:
22:54<Smark>Does Linode have a page that shows their network connectivity?
22:55<SelfishMan>jtsage: Yes, until you actually try to use it
22:55<jtsage>SelfishMan- heh. i was enjoying the last line in the paragraph....
22:55<jstn>they all offer unlimited storage
22:55<Smark>we'll see how unlimited they are when I do an entire linode backup every night to their servers
22:56<bd_>grah touchpad malfunctioning
22:56<Smark>Haha, I didn't even realize I was on
22:57<SelfishMan>Smark: that is against the ToS and is on the unacceptable content list
22:57<linode>Smark just add a torrent hosting there leagal ones linux os then see how unlimeded they are
22:57<Smark>nor do I remember writting it, though I guess I did
22:57<jtsage>hah. actually, i was trying to get more information on the "Professional One Time Custom Web Design (FREE)" feature... if i was less worried about them stealing my CC info, it would totally be worth the $10
22:58<bd_>jtsage: does your bank offer those one-time disposable numbers? :)
22:58<Smark>linode, I strongly suggest Linode. The only real VPS competition out there is SliceHost, and from what I've heard their machines dont have the same performance as Linodes
22:58<jtsage>bd_- sadly not. :-/
22:58<SelfishMan>paypal does and you can set a limit per number
23:00<jtsage>huh. i didn't know that. thanks. now i have something to do early next week when i get free time again. :)
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23:30<MJCS>anyone know if I will have to re-install w7 in october if i install RTM now
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23:36<bd_>MJCS: yes
23:36<bd_>there might be some hacks you can try. maybe.
23:37<amitz>damn, I miss the troll event. There goes my entertainment today.
23:39*Daevien feeds amitz to the troll
23:39<MJCS>anyone here use un-raid?
23:41<Smark>Anyone recommend a good IRC channel for HTML/CSS help? I cant figure out how to make an entire web page's background a solid color...
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23:42<MJCS>style="background-color:#ffffff;" i think
23:42<Smark>well normally, but these are very short pages and when the content ends, the color ends
23:42<Smark>leaving a big white space
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23:42<MJCS><body topmargin="0" leftmargin="0" rightmargin="0" bottommargin="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" link="#FEFF88" vlink="#FEFF88" alink="#FFFFFF" text="#FFFFFF" bgcolor="#131313">
23:43<MJCS>there is an example
23:43*amitz dies as entertainment for others. The irony is rich there :-)
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