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---Logopened Fri Aug 14 00:00:17 2009
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00:31<blognewb>some people can be really mean and condescending
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00:45<SelfishMan>blognewb: eh?
00:46<blognewb>ya dude
00:46<blognewb>its not like im coercing u to respond
00:47<blognewb><blognewb> Damm: do you set your public site root to be owned by the server username eg "www-data"..? i only did it to enable auto upgrade via the web framework.. but i could bring it back to chown mylinuxuser:group... now would that be greater security
00:47<blognewb>[21:27:39] <merlecor1y> Damm: will you run my servers for me? Also, are you expert in security? Cause I am really worried because I run worriedpress
00:48<blognewb>[21:17:54] * merlecor1y forces the manual down blognewb's throat
00:48<blognewb>[21:15:55] <merlecor1y> because I point out your lack of system administration knowledge?
00:49<blognewb>well i am a self admitted idiot but that one question isnt part of the man
00:49<blognewb>and i just find it funny lol but good thing Damm was really accommodating and non judgmental
00:49<blognewb>it's all good bro!
00:50<SelfishMan>People are asses. It's the way the world is.
00:51<blognewb>ya i figured he could be having his monthly visit tonight, alimony problems, etc
00:51<SelfishMan>Nah, he's just an ass
00:52<blognewb>hes miserable?
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00:52<SelfishMan>I know nothing about that person. I still stand by my statement that he's just an ass.
00:52<blognewb>nuttin personal. just strictly linode!
00:52<blognewb>It's nothing personal. Just strictly linode
00:52<blognewb>what's linode's slogan?
00:53<@mikegrb>mmm cake
00:53<blognewb>Develop. Deploy. Scale.
00:53<blognewb>lol cake
00:53<blognewb>Linode, putting the li on your node
00:53<blognewb>lame lol
00:54<blognewb>i want a linode shirt
00:54<SelfishMan>there is a store
00:54<blognewb>good marketing
00:56<blognewb>how do you pronounce it?
00:56<blognewb>lie lee?
00:57<blognewb>kinda slow day today huh.. or mostly asleep
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01:43<amitz>there is something starwars-ish abot jed.
01:43<amitz>nevermind, I'm so bored that I think too slowly.
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01:46<Guest54>Anyone interested in trying to make an online side scroling, mm game?
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01:47<Guest54>I've been wanting to make a simple mmo game for a while now, just dont know what to make it about yet.
01:47<amitz>Guest339: do you have an engine in your mind?
01:48<amitz>Guest54 ^^ . Oh, more than one guest.
01:48<Guest54>no no, just a simple one, webpage based
01:48<Guest54>like that crazy one, dont remember the name, of it, but its based on absurdist humor (all i remmeber about it is that you could be a saucer, and some other weird professions)
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01:51<amitz>Guest54: oh, sounds interesting but I'm too occupied with lurking in a channel right now :-p
01:51<Guest54>one sek im going to look for the name of that game (it has a pretty good population, and had a folowing for years..)
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01:54<Guest54>Found it:
01:54<Guest54>just google kingdom of laothing
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01:56<Guest54>I guess I could just develop another website, but Im not even sure what ot make it about or for
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02:02<Aurora->Are linode managed or unmanaged?
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02:02<SelfishMan>Aurora-: Linodes are unmanaged
02:03<SelfishMan>You can do whatever you want with the node but it is up to you to run it
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02:23<Smark>SelfishMan, whats the difference betwen DKIM and DomainKeys?
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02:24<SelfishMan>DomainKeys was the first version, basically.
02:24<SelfishMan>DomainKeys is essentially dead but DKIM is active
02:24<SelfishMan>Why? Your mail still being blocked by Hotmail?
02:25<Smark>Hotmail works, Yahoo is complaining... turns out Yahoo developed DomainKeys, but hasnt moved to DKIM
02:25<SelfishMan>SEM only checks the DomainKeys status because it is still implemented on many servers, including my own for legacy reasons
02:25<Aurora->SelfishMan: May I pm you?
02:25<SelfishMan>Yahoo just moved to DKIM actually
02:25<SelfishMan>Aurora-: Is it something you can ask in channel?
02:25<amitz>makes me wonder why google doesn't have much spam problem despite having no such domain verifier.
02:26<SelfishMan>amitz: Google has a major spam problem
02:26<Smark>well my Yahoo header: Authentication-Results:; domainkeys=neutral (no sig);; dkim=pass (ok)
02:26<SelfishMan>In fact, they are in the top five spam senders
02:26<Smark>so dkim passes, but not DomainKeys
02:26<SelfishMan>Smark: That's fine if you are neutral in your domainkeys check
02:26<amitz>oh, I mean they filter spam well compared to others.
02:26<SelfishMan>The thing is, it doesn't fail
02:27<Smark>ok, anything else I should know about Yahoo? Emails are going to the Spam Box... Is it hard to setup DomainKeys just to make that part happy?
02:28<SelfishMan>amitz: It comes down to raw numbers. If you host 1 million email accounts and the same spam goes to lets say 1% of them, all it takes is for a few people to mark it as spam for it to be reclassified for everyone else
02:28<User23423>hi guys how do you protect yourselves from irc ddos attacks?
02:28<SelfishMan>User23423: Don't piss people off in IRC?
02:29<Smark>User23423, uh write a bot to gline suspicious connections
02:29<amitz>SelfishMan: so gmail user base is significantly a lot larger than ymail that ymail can't do similar thing? Or gmail users demography are more likely to mark spam?
02:30<amitz>In my experience, yahoo and hotmail spam filter suck unlike gmail.
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02:31<SelfishMan>amitz: gmail is much better at mining the data. Yahoo also gets paid by various partners to deliver the mail to users
02:32<Smark>I'll take a look
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02:37<Smark>Authentication-Results:; domainkeys=pass (ok);; dkim=pass (ok)
02:37<Smark>wasnt hard to get that working, just because
02:37<Smark>ok, now to FBL
02:37<SelfishMan>Yeah, it's easy to implement
02:38<SelfishMan>Smark: Are you sending your mail using a from address that is all lowercase?
02:39<Smark>um, actually
02:39<Smark>let me check
02:39<SelfishMan>ok. DKIM and DomainKeys are case sensitive about that
02:40<SelfishMan>send an email to from and another from and see the difference in the results
02:41<Smark>Return-Path: <[hidden]>
02:41<Smark>that corrent or should I be looking for a different header?
02:41<SelfishMan>that should be fine then
02:41<SelfishMan>It's the actual From: header that matters
02:41<Smark>[hidden] is actually "support", spammers and such
02:42<Smark>From: SpectralCoding Support Services <[support]>
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02:43<Smark>that ok?
02:44<Smark>oh god im raging... I got sent the FBL email, and blindly clicked the link... turns out I cancelled the loop...
02:45<Smark>oh good, theres a "renew request" option
02:47<Smark>hurr, then they send another email thats exactly the same except for one word asking for you to confirm
02:48<Smark>ok so i guess I'm waiting for Yahoo's approval... As I understand it, this tells me when someone reports my mail as spam or something. Is that about right?
02:51<SelfishMan>feedback loops help to verify that you are a real person that cares about mail deliver
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02:52<Smark>and what do I do with the data they send me? As far as I can tell they just send you the EXACT email that was marked as spam
02:52<SelfishMan>The Yahoo one allows you to "register" your DKIM info which should help prevent your mail from being tagged as spam
02:52<SelfishMan>mostly you delete it since it is you sending it
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02:52<SelfishMan>If you had other users on the domain it would help you find out if they start spamming
02:52<Smark>ah, ok
02:53<Smark>its actually a great idea
02:54<Smark>Current Status: Gmail: Working as Intended; Hotmail: Working as Intended; Yahoo: Marked as Spam... Am I missing any major free-email services out there?
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02:54<amitz> haha
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03:05<MsMimi>Hey guys
03:05<MsMimi>do you know if increasing the php memory limit increases the speed of the server?
03:06<MsMimi>i mean the website
03:06<MsMimi>not the server
03:06<Smark>IIRC "php memory limit" simply adjusts the memory space of your apache forked processes
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03:07<Smark>but probably not
03:07<Smark>MsMimi, you're the one with the vBulliten problems right?
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03:11<Smark>MsMimi, whats your current setup look like?
03:11<MsMimi>for which?
03:11<MsMimi>the server?
03:11<MsMimi>i have linode 1440
03:11<MsMimi>running apache 2, mysql, apc
03:12<Smark>lemme go look at your forum post really quick'
03:13<MsMimi>its actually not my forum
03:13<masterp>how long does the setup takes
03:14<MsMimi>the server?
03:14<masterp>for an account
03:14<Smark>well you can have your linode within minutes of ordering
03:14<Smark>i meant the one on Anyway, going to ask for some apache settings, might help some stuff
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03:15<SelfishMan>PHP memory limits apply to how large a single php process can get. It should only apply to large datasets
03:15<SelfishMan>increasing it won't help performance
03:15<masterp>how is the speed
03:16<SelfishMan>MsMimi: try turning off keepalives in apache and see how the site starts responding
03:16<Smark>masterp, "fast" doesnt really help, I'm sure they'll work for you
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03:16<Smark>SelfishMan just beat me to it
03:17<Smark> for more info
03:17<Smark>"Setting KeepAliveTimeout to a high value may cause performance problems in heavily loaded servers. The higher the timeout, the more server processes will be kept occupied waiting on connections with idle clients."
03:17<Smark>its usually something retardedly high like 15 or something
03:17<Smark>set it to like 1 or maybe 2... or 0 if you want
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03:18<SelfishMan>1 or 2 may still be too much. I typically recommend turning it off and seeing if it helps then try adjusting up from there
03:18<Smark>the idea of 1 is that its still there for subsequent requests related to that page (CSS, Images, etc), right?
03:19<SelfishMan>Setting it to 0 may actually have undesirable side effects as that isn't really a valid value
03:19<SelfishMan>The overhead of forking a new process is substantially less than the overhead of an unused apache process using RAM that could go to an actual process serving a client
03:20<Smark>so SelfishMan, how come you know so much about mail? You do mail-related stuff for a living or you just been doing it for a while?
03:20<SelfishMan>Smark: I've been running mail servers for years and I'm very active in anti-spam research and methods
03:20<SelfishMan> is my blacklist
03:22<Smark>Impressive, it popular? Also I noticed the reCAPTCHA on the Contacts page, reCAPTCHA difficult to setup?
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03:23<MsMimi>i'll try it out
03:23<SelfishMan>reCAPTCHA is very easy to implement for most sites. I use perl for that site and there is a module that made it very easy.
03:24<SelfishMan>I opened SEM up to the public a little while back but it has been operating privately for a few years. Very effective hit rate and few false positives. In fact, almost every FP reported has been about something that has been reported as spam.
03:25<MsMimi>so 0 on keepalives?
03:25<Smark>Well, I'm slowly working on a self-built file sharing site (mostly between some personal friend/coworkers), and have been looking for an easy-to-implement captcha on the off chance some I'm targeted by some sort of an exploit
03:25<SelfishMan>MsMimi: KeepAlives Off and ignore the timeout number
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03:26<Smark>13th aint bad for a global spamlist
03:26<MsMimi>thanks i think it got a little faster
03:27<MsMimi>however i'm so worried about my disk io spiking
03:27<Smark>MsMimi, keepalives wont affect that
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03:27<Smark>if thats even what you're implying
03:27<MsMimi>oh ya i know
03:27<MsMimi>its the disk io that is killing me
03:27<MsMimi>it keeps spiking randomly
03:27<Smark>well, thats mostly going to be MySQL
03:27<SelfishMan>What is burning all the disk IO?
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03:28<MsMimi>i'm not sure
03:28<Smark>seeing as how most hits are vbulliten, which draws 99% of its content from a database
03:28<SelfishMan>proper mysql caching and indexing should take care of most of that though
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03:28<Smark>how do you even view which processes are using I/O?
03:28<MsMimi>its so weird because my friend who has the same size vbulletin is currently hosted on a linode 360
03:29<MsMimi>Smark i don't know
03:29<MsMimi>i'm a stupid noob
03:29<Smark>same views/day?
03:29<MsMimi>around the same Smark
03:29<MsMimi>mine is just a little bit over
03:30<Smark>seems very odd that you're having trouble with a 1440 then
03:30<MsMimi>i only get around 1500-2000 visitors a day with around 40-50,000 pageviews monthly
03:30<SelfishMan>A google search for "linode outage" brought people to
03:30<Smark>oh, yeah thats VERY unreasonable
03:30<MsMimi>i mean daily
03:30<MsMimi>40,000-50,000 pageviews daily
03:30<Smark>that should run no problem on a 540, and probably just fine on a 360
03:31<MsMimi>so around 1,000,000+ pageviews monthly
03:31<MsMimi>is that too much?
03:31<Smark>!newercalc 50000/(60*60*24)
03:31<linbot>Smark: 125/216
03:31<MsMimi>i don't even use that much bandwidth
03:31<Smark>!newcalc 50000/(60*60*24)
03:31<linbot>Smark: 50 000 / (60 * 60 * 24) = 0.578703704
03:31<Smark>a pageview every two seconds isnt that much
03:32<MsMimi>I don't know what is wrong with the server
03:32<Smark>well MsMimi, whats he doing different then you as far as server configuration?
03:32<MsMimi>well he has less hacks then me
03:32<MsMimi>probably it?
03:33<MsMimi>but i doubt it since most of the hacks installed are not really server intensive
03:33<SelfishMan>MsMimi: What is using the most CPU on average? What's your average system load?
03:34<MsMimi>average is 30%
03:34<MsMimi>oh cool
03:34<MsMimi>people replied
03:34<MsMimi>forgot to check
03:35<SelfishMan>MsMimi: turn off keepalives
03:35<MsMimi>i actually did lower it to 25 max clients
03:35<MsMimi>yip its off
03:35<Smark>it looks like apache is maybe using 2-3% total, MySQL using 8%
03:35<SelfishMan>I'm betting that will make the most difference
03:36<SelfishMan>I bet you are being hit by a fair amount of traffic at one point and all the idle apache processes are using too much ram causing it to start swapping
03:36<MsMimi>I hope so
03:36<MsMimi>:but 2000 visitors a day is a lot?
03:36<Smark>MsMimi, try to keep an eye on your page load times during the day too (should be "Page generated in X seconds with Y queries" or something)
03:36<SelfishMan>MsMimi: No. I manage a site doing 150K unique per day on a 1080
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03:37<MsMimi>is it a forum
03:37<Smark>MySQL is your database server
03:37<SelfishMan>Everyone always tells you to turn the maxclients setting down but the problem is if you have enough concurrent visitors you start to run out of available client slots
03:38<Smark>well Maxclients can be lower if your keepalive is low/off... to a point
03:38<MsMimi>yes its off now
03:38<MsMimi>geez 150k visitors
03:38<MsMimi>on a 1080
03:38<SelfishMan>Smark: true. MaxClients should be used to keep your node from dying but if the keepalive settings are wrong you will just run out of slots
03:38<Smark>!newcalc 150000/(60*60*24)
03:38<linbot>Smark: 150 000 / (60 * 60 * 24) = 1.73611111
03:39<Smark>well thats visitors not hits
03:39<SelfishMan>I think it is 150k
03:39<Smark>so thats useless
03:39<SelfishMan>haven't checked in a while
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03:39<MsMimi>what type of site is it?
03:39<Smark>we were discussing it earlier, Spam Email Blocklist
03:40<SelfishMan>Smark: no, different site
03:40<Smark>oh, really?
03:41<SelfishMan>SEM does a few hundred page views a day but about 80M DNS queries per day
03:41<Smark>beefy bind server eh?
03:42<Smark>MsMimi, with a 1440 you could probably cache your entire MySQL database and serve stuff rocket fast
03:42<SelfishMan>rbldnsd on 4 diverse servers
03:42<SelfishMan>each instance can easily handle all of those queries but performance is much better when they are spread out around the country
03:42<Smark>oh, they're a special type of DNS server, didn't know that
03:42<SelfishMan>Might need to drop a server in europe soon actually since I'm apparently really big in Ireland
03:43<Smark>you make money off of it?
03:43<SelfishMan>Yeah, several of the zones have millions of records. Bind would use a few gigs of RAM for that many records but my largest rbldnsd instance with a dozen or so zones and around 25M records is only using 130MB
03:44<erikh>well, that was fun
03:44<erikh>* 3 */1 * * root cd /root && perl
03:44<erikh>what's wrong with this crontab?
03:44<MsMimi>Smark how do I go about doing that?
03:44<SelfishMan>Yeah, enough to pay for the servers right now but I'm not looking to make money
03:44<MsMimi>Caching my entire mysql?
03:44<SelfishMan>erikh: It runs every minute of the 03:00 hour every day as root
03:44<erikh>SelfishMan: yes, as nagios kindly alerted me a few minutes ago
03:45<Smark>MsMimi, i'm not entirely familiar but i believe you switch to InnoDB
03:45<erikh>now I'm going back to bed. nn all.
03:45<SelfishMan>love it
03:45<erikh>(for extra fun, it runs an rsync on about 400GB of data)
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03:45<SelfishMan>Smark: InnoDB is the wrong answer there
03:46<SelfishMan>the tables are actually a lot slower. The main benefit to InnoDB is transactions and row level locking
03:46<Smark>I'll never underestimate the power of donations after I read an article about a guy who wrote an addon for World of Warcraft and made a few thousand dollars a month off of it
03:46<erikh>yeah, but wow is proof people will pay money for anything
03:47<Smark>Like I said, i don't really know... It just seems like InnoDB is always mentioned when talking about MySQL caching
03:47<SelfishMan>erikh: No, everquest was proof people would pay money for anything.
03:47<Smark>Granted this Addon (QuestHelper) was the the third most downloaded addon of thousands out there
03:47<erikh>Smark: use inno if you need real referential integrity and transactions. use myisam for everything else
03:47<SelfishMan>myisam indexes cache better than innodb because it uses separate files on disk. InnoDB isn't a very efficient file structure at all
03:48<erikh>and really, if you need 100% innodb, look at postgresql instead.
03:48<SelfishMan>Also, InnoDB will handle zomg sized tables better than myisam
03:48<erikh>(it's supposedly much faster)
03:48<checkers>erikh: surround your rsync with file locking
03:48<erikh>checkers: oh, it was a simple one character change to fix it
03:48<Smark>MyISAM is what I'm thinking off
03:48<erikh>and the sync doesn't take that long to run
03:48<checkers>[ -f /tmp/rsync.lock ] && die || rsync ** rm /tmp/rsync.lock
03:48<checkers>erikh: and if it takes longer one day? ;)
03:48<erikh>it won't
03:49<checkers>jus thope murphy didn't hear
03:49<erikh>well, let me phrase it another way; if it does, we're going to have to rethink how we do backups anyways
03:49<erikh>the target disk in the DC has 1.3T total available and the target disk offsite has 3T
03:49<checkers>< SelfishMan> the tables are actually a lot slower. <-- die, not slower
03:50<erikh>the offsite has a 1MB steady down and the big files grow by about 300M a day
03:50<SelfishMan>checkers: eh?
03:50<checkers>SelfishMan: to start with
03:51<SelfishMan>they have everything in ram so it doesn't count
03:52<Smark>"Pending Yahoo! Activation" for an hour+... Looks like no one is awake at Yahoo!
03:53<checkers>Smark: the feedback loop? wait a week
03:53<checkers>SelfishMan: HD is just very slow RAM
03:53<checkers>more than 24hrs iirc
03:54<SelfishMan>checkers: It's all about the indexes. If the file holding the index can be cached in ram then innodb is faster. Since InnoDB stores it's indexes in the same file as the data you nee to have a lot more RAM sitting around.
03:54<Smark>oh well
03:55<SelfishMan>did I really just say "indexes"?
03:55<SelfishMan>I'm sure SpaceHobo will wake up soon and correct me on that one
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04:08<checkers>SelfishMan: you don't need to have a file either fully cached or not cached at all
04:09<SelfishMan>No but all the proper parts need to be cached
04:10<SelfishMan>I bet if you run the exact same test on a Linode 360 you will see completely different results
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04:34<Smark>Yahoo! thing was just approved
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05:15<ALonon>hello, how can i reset my mysql password, any idea ? i tried to start mysql with safe mode
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05:31<amitz>ALonon: try
05:32<LittleJ09>Hey all... should I be concerned with CPU load of over 100% on the dashboard graphs? Someone from the support team said that I'm safe up to 400% because the linode has access to 4 cores, but if that's the case, why is the default CPU Alert set at 80%?
05:34<ALonon>how can i configure mysql again ? , i didn't write any password during configuration
05:34<amitz>LittleJ09: if your usage is that high while you don't do anything heavy in particular, your box maybe owned.
05:35<amitz>LittleJ09: or something wrong is going on.
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05:36<LittleJ09>Well, my load varies throughout the day as traffic on my site changes. For instance, right now its 1.42% but it peaked today at about 60%
05:36<LittleJ09>... and with the growth I'm seeing, I could be exceeding 100% fairly soon
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05:38<amitz>high peak is ok as long it's caused by normal usage. But you might want to check with linode staff.
05:39<LittleJ09>time for sleep
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07:02<ella>Apache problem, I'm overlooking something.
07:03<ella>My server use to server files without need of extension - or without, if it was an directoryindex without even a file name, now it's ignoring this method and I can't see where I've missed a setting
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07:03<ella>Mind you, I was using version 1 and upgraded to V2
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08:36<Frumph>..thinking about getting a linode setup since shared hosting doesnt cut it for me, i keep reading about promo codes for signing up? anywhere I should look?
08:38<bliblok>I don't think any promo codes are active.
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08:40<nachtkriecher>not this early in the morning anyway
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09:09<groulder>god i hate 64bit
09:10<groulder>i go to all this trouble of downloading this trial of vmware workstation
09:10<groulder>because it supports 64bit guests
09:10<groulder>now it says my cpu doesn't have intel vt.
09:10<groulder>i can't believe this shit
09:10<groulder>i just don't understand why a 32bit processor can virtualise fine
09:11<groulder>but 64bit has to have this extra shit to work
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10:06<Yaakov>Tethering is shiny.
10:08<Yaakov>I told my iPhone to shut up and it told me that there wasn't any music playing. It asked me if I wanted to play some. When I said yes, some English philosopher said "eating a human corpse is repugnant." How can you beat that?
10:09<neoark>any staff around?
10:09<neoark>any patch for 2.6.29 kernel's exploit?
10:10<@tasaro>neoark: yes, they were testing it last night -- not sure if it was pushed out yet
10:13<neoark>ah is still .29 ?
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10:22<amitz>Yaakov: but the extra lag on tethered connection many be painful.
10:23<Yaakov>TETHERING PWS
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10:25<nachtkriecher>so why do so many smart people hang out on irc channels
10:25<nachtkriecher>as opposed to having a life
10:25<Yaakov>I do both.
10:25<amitz>nachtkriecher: our smartness come from not having life.
10:25<walterheck>we have a life on irc channels, does that count?
10:26<Yaakov>I have an active life which includes virtual *and* physical components.
10:27<amitz>we read books/FAQS/tutorial while lurking on IRC channels
10:27<nachtkriecher>then how come whenever i get on here you are on here?
10:27<nachtkriecher>and im on here a lot.
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10:28<Yaakov>nachtkriecher: Your statement is false. You have a misimpression. An actual survey of your logs would show otherwise. I believe this misimpression derives from the intensity of the Yaakov experience which your brain necessarily "levels" temporally as a coping mechanism.
10:28<amitz>nachtkriecher: ah, I see. You seem to be aware of your true self yet you're still in denying phase. Don't worry, it will pass.
10:28<nachtkriecher>that makes sense
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10:29<nachtkriecher>that just came out
10:30<Yaakov>It is a condition related to Tourette's Syndrome, but it doesn't involve emitting bad things, rather, good.
10:30<nachtkriecher>what's it called?
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10:32<Yaakov>It has no name, it was given the number 66260689633-34.
10:32<javaliker>-bash: wget: command not found ? Ubuntu 9.04 64bit
10:32<javaliker>why ssh hint: wget: command not found
10:32<@caker>apt-get update; apt-get install wget
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10:33<Yaakov>But since that is unwieldy, you can call it ℎ.
10:34<javaliker>sudo apt-get install nginx
10:35<Yaakov>caker: I am still loving my new phone.
10:35<javaliker>E: Couldn't find package nginx
10:35<javaliker>why ?
10:35<nachtkriecher>i also like java
10:36<@caker>javaliker: because it's not in the repo
10:36<@caker>javaliker: uncomment the universe lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and then run: apt-get update; and try it again
10:37*caker is guessing
10:37<javaliker>ok ,Thanks.
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11:08<amitz>nachtkriecher: Too little smart economic people hang out on IRC channels. Too many IT people.
11:08<amitz>Nivex: thanks :-)
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11:10<Yaakov>amitz: When speaking about number, use "few" or "fewer". "Two few people with exemplerary grammar farcant plot goantra."
11:11*caker is grammaring
11:11<nachtkriecher>when speaking about short people, use "little"
11:11<Yaakov>It is easy to confuse magnitude with number in casual speech.
11:11<amitz>Yaakov: Yeah, I know. I must think about plurality and tenses form consciously. It's not in my mother's language. Thanks :-)
11:11<Yaakov>caker: If you grammar well it will serve to elevate you in the eyes of your peers.
11:11<@caker>I grammared it good, Yaakov
11:11<Yaakov>"mother tongue"
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11:12<amitz>ah, yeah, mother's tongue :-)
11:12<Yaakov>caker: Most excellent, grammaring one.
11:12<Yaakov>urmom's tongue... nevermind.
11:12<nachtkriecher>yeah that was 2 EZ
11:12<@caker>like urmom
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11:13<amitz>also different rule of possessive form.
11:13*caker gets back to answering Dr Dobbs interview questions
11:13*Yaakov ^5's the grammar king.
11:13<nachtkriecher>urmom has a very possessive form
11:13<Yaakov>caker: It's a setup! Don't do it!
11:13*nachtkriecher cries in the corner
11:17<amitz>s/rule/rules . *sigh*
11:17<linbot>TheJoe: Yo momma's so stupid, she keeps clicking the link to (835:0/0) [ummro]
11:17<TheJoe>Do I dare click
11:17<nachtkriecher>why are you asking us
11:18<nachtkriecher>how would we know what sorts of things you dare doing
11:18<TheJoe>It wasn't really a question
11:18<TheJoe>Just a hypothetical
11:18<nachtkriecher>i dont know you
11:18<nachtkriecher>i cant be expected to know the depths of your innermost being
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11:18<nachtkriecher>to know when you might break out of your shell and dare to do the darndest things
11:19<nachtkriecher>click the darndest links
11:19<nachtkriecher>pick the darndest licks
11:19<nachtkriecher>on the guitar
11:19<TheJoe>How is nachtkriecher formed?
11:20<nachtkriecher>now that i should be able to answer
11:21<nachtkriecher>i should have said deeds
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11:21<nachtkriecher>dare to do the darndest deeds
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11:24<amitz>do you guys aware of TOEFL/TOEIC? Do you think you can ace it if you're a native English speaker?
11:27<nachtkriecher>are you guys aware*
11:28<nachtkriecher>case sensitive
11:28<fuzzie>amitz: i'm told that the TOEFL is not quite so easy if you haven't prepared for it in particular
11:28<nachtkriecher>amitz: what's your native language?
11:29<fuzzie>i mean, native speakers always seem to get good results, just not perfect ones
11:29<linbot>New news from forums: need help to stop/restart apache2 via crontab in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
11:29<fuzzie>i managed to get away without having to take it in the end, so no personal experience..
11:29<Yaakov>Hmm... pparadis is MIA.
11:30<nachtkriecher>ah ok
11:30<nachtkriecher>are you in america now then?
11:32<amitz>fuzzie: I did well enough on SAT verbal that they waived their TOEFL requirement. Ironically, I would barely pass if I had to submit a TOEFL score instead.
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11:32<amitz>nachtkriecher: oh, no.
11:33<nachtkriecher>are you from indonesia?
11:33<Koresh>Just a general (security) question: Is there a new available kernel in the works that will fix the recent Linux kernel vulnerability?
11:34<@caker>Koresh: it's coming. 2.6.18 I couldn't break (although it's probably still there), and for 2.6.29 you can "echo 65536 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr" as a work-around
11:34<Koresh>caker: Thank you. :)
11:34<Koresh>You guys rock.
11:35<amitz>nachtkriecher: oh, yeah.
11:37<nachtkriecher>let's see... it's.... 10:38 pm there i think
11:37<Yaakov>caker: sup dawg, I heard you liked kernels so I put a kernel in your kernel so you could panic while you panic.
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11:42<straterra>4 grand of hard drives on my twitter
11:42<amitz>yeah, I'm IRC-ing while watching Rambo :-)
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12:18<SelfishMan>Poor kitty:
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12:28<amitz>I can't imagine the amount of suffering it has experienced to be so defeated like that..
12:28<tozz>I feel like that when I have to take over some crap code other people have written
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12:31<SelfishMan>Poor kitty. Makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time
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12:42<Pryon>If you were owned by a moron that insisted on bathing you even though it was bad for your skin you'd get peeved too.
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12:47<HoopyCat>caker,Koresh: aka /etc/sysctl.conf vm.mmap_min_addr, which is (conveniently) already in my ubuntu 8.04 sysctl.conf yet (mysteriously) commented out by default
12:48<@jed>there's some config option that catches it, I'm trying to figure out which
12:48<amitz>Pryon: Water is bad for cat's skin?
12:49<@jed> blows up hard when you try it, "omgz Process exploit"
12:49<@jed>probably stacksmash or something
12:49<@jed>I couldn't get it to build on 64-bit, I'd be interested if someone had an x64 binary
12:50<@jed>(I have candy)
12:50<Pryon>amitz: repeated soaking, yes. However, it's usually the soap.
12:51<Pryon>A can requires bathing only under unusual circumstances
12:51<Pryon>cats, too
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12:55<auzigog>pparadis: hey buddy.
12:56<@pparadis>hey man :). haven't got that doc posted, but working on it now.
12:56<@pparadis>a couple of other docs took priority yesterday.
12:57<HoopyCat>(e.g. "World of Warcraft Considered Harmful" and "Zen and the Art of Unhorking Reiserfs Filesystems")
12:58<@tychoish>step one, rent a new car.
13:00<SelfishMan>"50 commands you should never run" by pparadis now available in the Linode Library
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13:04<HoopyCat>i'm looking forward to "The Complete Dummy's Guide to Selecting the Right Canned Tuna"
13:05<Bohemian>for a new user to *nix, would you recommend xfce or flux/open box? - i wanna keep it light, although i haven't used gnome/kde in years. is it worth their bloatedness for some prettiness and shortcuts?
13:06<Bohemian>it's for a friend, on his c2d box
13:06<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: <--- YOU try to cope with that at 9am
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13:06<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: ur blog is slow
13:07<HoopyCat>Bohemian: for a new user, i'd have to lean towards "Whatever The Distribution Installs By Default", especially if you suspect they might start futzing with things
13:07<Bohemian>fbsd is CLI default :)
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13:07<SelfishMan>Brick o' Dolphin: $9.49
13:08<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: there's a new major release of the software that's currently mellowing; that may or may not make things better or worse in the short or long run for a subset of zero or more users
13:08<amitz>I don't think I want to raise a cat. Too many subtleties..
13:09<HoopyCat>Bohemian: ah! you're THAT kind of friend. :-)
13:09<SelfishMan>amitz: You don't raise a cat. It chooses to acknowledge your existence when it wants attention or food
13:09<@caker>root@ubuntu:~# uname -a
13:09<@caker>Linux ubuntu #1 SMP Fri Aug 14 17:00:13 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
13:09<@caker>can I get a witness?
13:09<straterra>Cats are wesome
13:10<straterra>caker: no
13:10<Bohemian>HoopyCat: i've been using fbsd and gentoo for 4 years. i may have gaps in my knowledge, but there's something about me: i don't lie
13:10<fuzzie>caker: but have some pie instead.
13:10<straterra>caker: can bask in the awesomeness of $4000 worth of 1TB enterprise drives
13:10<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: The photo took forever to load but the rest wasn't bad once I connected to the server
13:11<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: oh! the photo is from flickr.
13:11<SelfishMan>I know. I think your blog is including the full res photo instead of a scaled down version.
13:11<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: THAT is one of the things i'm working on in-housing, so at least i can blame my ineptitude for slowness instead of my laziness
13:12<amitz>SelfishMan: I uh..cross road with cat a lot. I believe you're right :-).
13:13<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: it's 160KB and is one size larger than the blog page... 500px × 375px (scaled to 430px × 323px). that's path's fault
13:13<amitz>oh, no wonder it sounds strange. s/road/sword/
13:13<straterra> automounting w/ hal pretty easy?
13:14<auzigog>pparadis: no worries. just curious where it was at. :)
13:14<straterra>I have 5 hard drives that I want auto mounted to a certain directory when plugged in
13:15<amitz>straterra: at this very moment, there is a cat outside of my house, moaning constantly. It's midnight here.
13:15<SelfishMan>amitz: by "cross road" do you mean "kick"?
13:15<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: is the original received over the air; it's 274KB and you can practically read the prices :-)
13:15<straterra>Go feed it..
13:15<straterra>and love it
13:15<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: Yep. That's how I saw the Brick o' Dolphin for $9.49
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13:18<amitz>SelfishMan: nothing physical. Usually a loud voice to move them from danger (am I nice or what?). But it happens too often..
13:18<amitz>What I hate the most is when they get stuck in a place and start moaning loudly.
13:19<SelfishMan>We are talking about *cats* still, right?
13:19<amitz>SelfishMan: yeah, cats. Seriously.
13:20<@caker>root@ubuntu:~# uname -a
13:20<@caker>Linux ubuntu #1 SMP Fri Aug 14 17:14:08 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
13:20<@caker>aww yeah
13:20<@pparadis>word up!
13:21<amitz>SelfishMan: Stray cats here are unlike fat cats in US. They move to difficult to reach places a lot here.
13:22<linbot>New news from forums: 32bit pv-grub won't boot in General Discussion <>
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13:24<purplenurple>trying to settle a friendly dispute here ... is there any logical reason to have files in your web root set to 0444 on a single user system?
13:25<silverblade>I cant see a reason.
13:25<amitz>Just searched about the cats here. Found this link, interesting. I never noticed the difference:
13:25<silverblade>I would go with setting the most restrictive permissions based on the scenario
13:26<silverblade>in my case i have the web server a member of a group, along with fastcgi instances, so i opt for 640 or similar
13:27<purplenurple>that's what I usually set them as (0640/0644)
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13:30<amitz>SelfishMan: the relevant part: In answer to your question, this is what I have found out about Indonesian cats. These small cats are not descended from domestic cats, but small jungle cats. They are cousins of true Siamese cats. Their bodies are narrow and flexible. The muzzles are square and the eyes are large in proportion to the face to aid in hunting in dense foliage. The feet are very small and the back legs longer than the front legs. These cats are gre
13:30<amitz>at jumpers.
13:31*silverblade wears one
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13:38<r3z>ok.. Apparently I am having a brainfart here. Ubuntu.. Where does it store the SMTP settings that cron uses?
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13:42<amitz>I like the penguin expression :-)
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14:02<auzigog>Does Ubuntu automatically move old logs into syslog.0.gz and syslog.1.gz or did I configure that without knowing it?
14:02<Battousai>if logrotate is installed, it does
14:02<SelfishMan>auzigog: man logrotate
14:03<auzigog>ah ha
14:04<auzigog>hmm. i wonder if it's standard with ubuntu server or if i installed it unknowingly or as part of some package i installed.
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14:11<@jed>the epic thread...just keeps going
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14:14<surye>Hey, is there something happening at the Dallas DC?
14:15<HoopyCat>2 for 1 appetizer specials and $2 domestic drafts until 6pm
14:15<HoopyCat>surye: looks solid network-wise from newark, at least
14:16<surye>I mean more along the lines of another DDOS, but that sounds good too :P
14:16<linbot>HoopyCat: [mtr] 8 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 42.1ms
14:16<linbot>HoopyCat: [mtr] 16 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 31.5ms
14:16<linbot>HoopyCat: timed out
14:16<linbot>surye: [mtr] 8 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 42.3ms
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14:17<linbot>purrdeta: [mtr] 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 81.8ms
14:17<HoopyCat>surye: if you have an mtr from you to dallas, pastebin it and/or ticket it
14:18<surye>I think the server may be at fault.. hmm..
14:19<surye>mtr is fine
14:19<surye>It's just acting like the network is failing, but maybe not.
14:19<surye>I'll reboot the box
14:20<surye>It's pretty unusable as is.
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14:34<spearson>hey I'm trying to output how many users are connected to SSH.. this sorta works but not really
14:34<spearson>why is it displaying 10 as 1 and 0 on separate lines?
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14:36<purrdeta>why are you grepping anyway?
14:36<chesty>mayhaps you need [0-9]+
14:36<purrdeta>well I guess a bunch of spam you dont need lol
14:36<spearson>or is there a better way to do it? cause obviously that wouldnt work if someone had a login name with a number
14:37<Nivex>kjotte@aaladm104:~$ who -q | awk -F= '/users=/ {print $2}'
14:38<spearson>well that works...
14:38<chesty>mine says 5 too, and there's only 1 ssh connection
14:38<Nivex>that's all logged in users, regardless of whether they're on ssh
14:38<spearson>[root@tunnel ~]# who -q | awk -F= '/users=/ {print $2}'
14:39<Nivex>so xterms and the like will get counted
14:39<spearson>only things things that log on are people for SSH anyways :)
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14:43<chesty>not true
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14:46<purrdeta>spearson: each window in a screen session counts.
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14:48<spearson>dont use screen either
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14:50<opello>doesn't this work? who | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq | wc -l
14:50<spearson>looks like it
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14:51<Nivex>yeah but mine does it in less pipes :)
14:51<linbot>New news from forums: Memory usage of php-cgi processes is growing steadily in Performance and Tuning <>
14:53<opello>well i guess it depends on the piece of information that you want, as they answer different questions
14:53<opello>sessions or users
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14:56<TheJoe>I think my memory has been getting eaten by php-cgi too....
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15:02<SelfishMan>php-cgi is just wrong
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15:03<TheJoe>SelfishMan: Weeell php5 demanded Apache.
15:04<Rhuarc>php should keep a low tone
15:05<TheJoe>Hmm so restarting lighty has put down php5's memory usage a bit, but I think it's still climbing
15:06<Rhuarc>php6 is the next big thing but i'm looking at ruby for now
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15:11<silverblade>i used to like php until i found ruby
15:13<vuf>there is nothing good to say about php
15:14<silverblade>PHP Hampers Progress
15:14<straterra>I like PHP...quite a lot actually
15:15<vuf>sure, but you probably cannot say something good about it ;)
15:16<TheFirst>ruby is rather annoying too...dunno which side of php it falls on on the annoying scale, though
15:17<straterra>vuf: sure..its extremely easy to create database driven applications
15:17<straterra>and comes pretty much preconfigured for usage via apache on most distros
15:17*vuf is stuck coding php, too
15:18*Turl likes PHP and Python
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15:22<Smark>how do I upgrade to php5.3 using apt-get? apt-get upgrade doesnt list it. I'm using 5.2.6
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15:23<tanto>i'd wait until it's listed but that's just me
15:23<Smark>well 5.3 is listed as stable
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15:24<@tychoish>5.3 isn't, the last time I checked, even in sid yet
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15:24<Smark>Stable Releases
15:24<Smark> 1. Current PHP 5.3 Stable: 5.3.0
15:24<Smark> 2. Current PHP 5.2 Stable: 5.2.10
15:25<Smark>looks like I'm using stable then
15:26<@tychoish>wget the debs from experiemental and then dpkg -i file-name.deb
15:26<Smark>i'll stick to stable, wasnt aware that 5.3 was marked as experimental (though on it shows stable)
15:26<Smark>ok, thanks for your help... I'm off to go do other stuff
15:26<MJCS>i installed the 32bit version of win7 fuck...i meant to install x64
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15:28<@tychoish>Smark[Gone] and others (also note that pulling 5.3 would probably break lots of other dependencies)... this is a debian thing, not a PHP thing. It often takes a while for new releases to get to downstream distributors
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15:36<@jed>PHP Horrible Programming
15:37<@jed>PHP Has Problems
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15:37<@jed>(little late, but still solid)
15:37<silverblade>PHP Herpes Pandemic
15:37<@jed>alright, it's now official
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15:38<@jed>Ladies and gentlemen! It's time for Freaky Friday in #linode! Today's contest: the best acronym for PHP (recursive or not). You have 30 minutes, and the winner receives a brand new Audi!* Begin.
15:38<silverblade>is that an ?
15:38<@jed>*Audi subject to terms and conditions.
15:39<silverblade>Produces Hacky Programs
15:39<silverblade>Preventing Happy Programmers
15:40<silverblade>Pile of Horse Poop
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15:43<chesty>Pretty Horrendous Programming
15:44<silverblade>Porn Helps Procrastination
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15:46<chesty>Porn Hinders Procreation
15:46<bd_>Pretty Hopeless Platform
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15:48<silverblade>Paraplegically Hampered Programming
15:48<HoopyCat>15:46 [freenode] christel (i=christel@freenode/staff/exherbo.christel) [Global Notice] Hi all, one of our servers are having some issues with overheating -- affected users approximately 3,000. Apologies for the inconvenience.
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15:48<silverblade>Oh server, you're so hot
15:48*silverblade strokes the server
15:48<chesty>Pretty Hot Pentium
15:48<HoopyCat>the only thing that doesn't blow about that situation is the air conditioner
15:49<silverblade>PantyHose Periscope
15:51<silverblade>Pointy Hat Party
15:51<SelfishMan>See, these are the things I always see when I come back
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15:53<silverblade>Perspective? Hah! Pooh.
15:54<silverblade>Pregnant Hippo Proportions
15:57<silverblade>Poor Helpless Poporing
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15:58<silverblade>suggestion from my g/f.... Plant Humping Puppy
16:00<bronson>Pandering to Hopeless Programmers
16:00<HoopyCat>isn't that the name of a band?
16:00<daj>Pickled Herring Pudding
16:01<HoopyCat>anyway, it's 4pm, so i'm off to Pound Hops Prodigiously. bbl!
16:01<silverblade>Potatoes Handshaking Prostates
16:02<silverblade>(referring to a news item relating to a guy who was "hanging curtains" in the nude and happened to end up with a potato in his...)
16:02<Pryon>PhP Pimo of Philosophy
16:02<daj>P0wning Helpless Programmers
16:02<Pryon>pimp, damnit
16:03<Pryon>Pernicious Hand Problem
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16:03<silverblade>Powerless Human Penetration
16:03<bronson>Pwning the wHole Planet (like daj's idea of pwn)
16:03<tanto>sounds sandistic, silverblade..
16:03<tanto>err sadistic, too
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16:03<silverblade>Is that like, where you abuse people with sand?
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16:04<silverblade>Pragmatic?! Hahaahahahahahahahahaahaahaaaha Pffffffff
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16:06<silverblade>Preventing Health Pandemic (another from g/f)
16:07<vass>Hi. Is there someone here who can explain what I'm doing wrong with the DNS manager?
16:07<ambirex>would someone double check my debian network config? We just added two new IP addresses and doesn't ping
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16:07<tanto>ambirex i will
16:07<tanto>i'm also on debian
16:07<ambirex>ty, tanto
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16:08<tanto>you need: auth eth0 eth0:0 eth0:1
16:08<tanto>that's why you can't use your other IPs
16:09<tanto>then just: /etc/init.d/networking restart
16:09<ambirex>strange because pings from outside just fine.
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16:10<tanto>that's literally the only different i have from my interfaces file
16:10<SelfishMan>tanto: It's 'auto' not 'auth'
16:10<tanto>assuming your IPs/netmask/gateway are correct
16:10<tanto>yes auto, sorry
16:10<tanto>i just woke up about an hour ago, i'm not 100% yet
16:11<SelfishMan>Did anyone tell them that then need to restart the node before they are able to use the IPs?
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16:11<tanto>ambirex: just try adding it, and ifup eth0:0 ; ifup eth0:1 ?
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16:11<tanto>i always forget that, it seems odd to me that the node has to be restarted to pick up a new ip
16:11<SelfishMan>ambirex: you need to restart the node after adding the IPs for the host to allow traffic
16:12<marcom10>Does linode offer sponsorship for websites
16:12<tanto>marcom: i don't know, but whats the website?
16:12<SelfishMan>tanto: It isn't the node that needs it but the host. The IP filtering rules are only processed when a node is booted
16:12<marcom10>I just acquired it
16:12<marcom10>We are re-launching with a new design
16:12<LinodeJavaUser>tanto: both say it is already configured. SelfishMan: one of the new ip works
16:12<tanto>selfish: they can't kick off a task that processes when a new ip is added?
16:12<marcom10>It has been on techcrunch and readwriteweb
16:13<tanto>is that like pandora?
16:13<tanto>i've gotta go
16:13<marcom10>It lets you listen to music online
16:13<tanto>see ya
16:13<SelfishMan>LinodeJavaUser: Did you reboot the node? I'm betting that will fix your problem. The host won't allow traffic to an IP until the node is rebooted.
16:13<tanto>that's what pandora does :P
16:13<marcom10>Yeah but its random
16:13<tanto>pandora ftw, but pandora has an iphone app
16:13<marcom10>This you can play any song
16:13<marcom10>is there someone in here that works for linode
16:13<silverblade>Pandoras Hemaphrodite Parts
16:13<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
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16:16<vuf>PHP Has Peaked
16:17*Daevien stabs himself in the eye. will this work day ever end /whimper
16:17<silverblade>Perhaps Happiness Passes
16:17<ambirex>SelfishMan: rebooting did resolve my issue, strange out of the two IP's we just added one worked and the other didn't... but thank you anyways.
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16:19<vass>So, anyone want to have a go at my DNS issue?
16:19<@caker>which is?
16:19<OKButton>ye go on
16:19*silverblade presses OKButton
16:20<vass>I set it up on the DNS manager, but it doesn't seem to be propagating. I'm probably missing some obvious n00b step.
16:20<@caker>vass: and the domain is?
16:20<chesty>jed: who won the audi?
16:21<vuf>Please Hinder PHP
16:21<silverblade>Poke Here Please
16:22<SelfishMan>vass: Looks fine to me
16:22<@jed>chesty: I did
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16:23<vass>Thanks, SelfishMan. Now to figure out why it won't load for me.
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16:23<SelfishMan>negative dns cache
16:23<OKButton>what is the issue you are getting
16:23<OKButton>with the DNS
16:25<vass>I choose reverse DNS from the Network panel, and search for, and it can't find it.
16:25<fuzzie>how long is a disk resize (adding 4gb) meant to take?
16:26<chesty>30 centimeters
16:26<fuzzie>oh, heh, it's all done now.
16:26<fuzzie>i'd just expected it to be more like 15 seconds than 15 minutes..
16:26<fuzzie>but it loves me after all.
16:26<vuf>Professionals Hate PHP
16:26<@caker>vass: whois says "" isn't registered
16:27*chesty registers and puts it up for sale
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16:28<OKButton>I can see it in my DNS
16:28<OKButton>resolves to
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16:30<OKButton>oops my bad
16:30<OKButton>I am on an openDNS connection so everything resolves
16:30*caker bonks OKButton
16:31<OKButton>ow ye thats better
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16:31<Daevien>caker: isn't tech support so much fun? :p
16:32<OKButton>how long has this domain been registered?
16:33<vass>OK, completely abjectly n00by question: how is registration different from creating the domain in Linode's DNS manager?
16:34<waldo_>well, you were right about that.
16:35<DephNet[Paul]>because the DNS hosting from Linode is a va;ue added service vass
16:35<OKButton>linode host your DNS they have the servers that will make it work but you need to have registered the domain with a registrar like godaddy or alike
16:35<neoark>anyone using arno-firewall ?
16:36<neoark>with ipv6 ?
16:36<neoark>getting (3) FATAL: Module ip6_tables not found.
16:37<vass>OK, thanks.
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16:40<silverblade>Just found this again... heh... a friend of mine suggested modding a router/modem... this is what I came up with
16:41<neoark>wonder if kernel
16:41<neoark>supports ip6tales
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16:43<chesty>neoark: zgrep -i ip6 /proc/config.gz
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16:58<Schroede1>how can you not love Albert Pujols
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17:01*Daevien bangs head on desk. 1 hour til whole weekend off. and it feels like time is going backwards :p
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17:20<vuf>hmm, cmsmadesimple *is* simple ...
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17:22<toyo|desk>hmm I think that APC has somehow lowered the amount of ram my server is using
17:23<toyo|desk>that dosent make sense to me though
17:23<toyo|desk>-/+ buffers/cache: 83 265
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17:23<toyo|desk>Swap: 255 12 243
17:24<toyo|desk>thats a lot better than it was
17:24<toyo|desk>and pages seem to load MUCH faster
17:24<vuf>APC is ... ?
17:24<toyo|desk>PHP op code cacheing
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17:33<HoopyCat>toyo|desk: less fork death == moar power
17:33<Kerem>toyo|desk: i was trying to do a apache benchmark yesterday after you said there were no difference between php with apc and just php. with 200 request - 35 concurrent. after disable apc linode reboots it self cause of oom. that was very strange. im on linode360 and Maxclients set to 35 in httpd.conf. Maybe -c 35 was too much for it. I dont really know.
17:35<toyo|desk>hmm I am running a ab -n 10000 -c 200 right now
17:35<Kerem>Of course there might be other configuration issues. But with apc on everything was good.
17:35<toyo|desk>we shall see how my 360 holds up
17:36<@caker>it's not -c that's too much, it's MaxClients
17:36<BarkerJr>HoopyCat: do you nice ntpd?
17:36<HoopyCat>i firmly believe that nothing ab can do should cause OOMing
17:36<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: nope. haven't found a need.
17:36<@caker>if ab can do it, so could googlebot, or an impatient visitor hitting refresh
17:37<Kerem>caker: i'll change it and try again
17:37<BarkerJr>caker: if I buy an additional 360 for the test host, do I get a discount? :)
17:38<@caker>BarkerJr: nice try.
17:38<BarkerJr>ah well
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17:43<toyo|desk>thought there was something about getting a host for hourly rates???
17:43<toyo|desk>that might be helpful for test boxes
17:44<toyo|desk>hmm ab cant handle my -n 10000 -c200
17:44<toyo|desk>apr_poll: The timeout specified has expired (70007)
17:44<toyo|desk>Total of 642 requests completed
17:44<Kerem>hmm i set it back to 20 and everything back to normal. thanks caker
17:44<BarkerJr>I'm assuming caker's test is more than a few hours?
17:46<vuf>now you made me go kill my linode with ab ...
17:46<toyo|desk>haha vuf
17:48<toyo|desk>so what should the -c be set to in ab
17:48<toyo|desk>I tried 200 but ab failed
17:48<toyo|desk>20 works
17:48<vuf>well, that was just a prediction ... it held up quite well so far ...
17:49<@caker>toyo|desk: -c should be set to the same value as MaxClients, or slightly larger (say +5%)
17:49<toyo|desk>oh ok
17:50<toyo|desk>hmm well my max clients is set to 5 so I should be running ab at 5
17:51<Kerem>-c 200 means 200 multiple request at the same time right?
17:51<@caker>concurrent requests, yes.
17:51<@caker>It's pointless to set it higher than your apache has client slots for, since they'll just queue
17:52<toyo|desk>I am running it against a pretty large query wise page
17:52<toyo|desk>so php and sql should be getting hit hard
17:54<straterra>Any of you good with udev rules?
17:54<@caker>I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once, as I ever was
17:55<toyo|desk>hmm it takes a lot longer to do a run with only 5 concurrent
17:55<@caker>reduce -n
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17:56<toyo|desk>ah ok
17:56<SelfishMan>toyo|desk: -c must be higher than -n
17:57<SelfishMan>-c is the total number of connections to try and -n is the number that will be running at any given time
17:57<Schroede1>sometimes I think it'd be so awesome if I could use lines from Full Metal Jacket on my band kids
17:57<SelfishMan>wait, sorry, I'm on crack
17:57<Schroede1>not because I want to be mean to my kids (I don't), but just because those lines are so awesome
17:57<@caker>it's the referse methinks
17:57<@caker>reverse, even.
17:57<SelfishMan>I have it backwards
17:57<SelfishMan>that might have some strange results
17:57*SelfishMan returns to not sleeping
17:57<straterra>KERNEL=="sd*", SUBSYSTEM=="scsi", ATTRS{model}=="WDC WD1002FBYS-0", SYMLINK+="backup-drive"
17:57<toyo|desk>right now I have -n 10000 -c 5
17:57<straterra>Thats my udev line..its an esata disk..with that model
17:58<straterra>I copied and pasted that ATTRS part from udevinfo..yet..doesn't work
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17:59<toyo|desk>wow that is pretty slow I just control - c to quit ab and it spit out its report
17:59<toyo|desk>Requests per second: 8.45 [#/sec] (mean)
17:59<toyo|desk>but as I said thats a huge page with lots of querys
18:00<linbot>--zomg-funroll-loops --ricer-cflags --flail-wildly --moar-disk-thrashing
18:00<straterra>It's not gentoo
18:00<SelfishMan>straterra: not fo ryou
18:01<toyo|desk>hmm are funroll-loops anything like fruit rollups?
18:01<SelfishMan>toyo|desk: NEED MOAR CAHCING
18:01<SelfishMan>toyo|desk: It's what happens when you try to make fruit rollups out of fruit loops
18:01<toyo|desk>oh ok
18:01<@caker>like, fer sure
18:02<vuf>so, I managed to take down my server anyway. not due to OOM, but it does not accept new http connections. ideas?
18:02<HoopyCat>let's talk about C baby, let's talk about you and me
18:02<@caker>vuf: is your refrigerator running?
18:02<SelfishMan>vuf: It could be a nasty error in mod_perl.
18:04<SelfishMan>Hey, I'm just saying it *could* be an error in mod_perl.
18:04<toyo|desk>100% 4191 (longest request)
18:04<vuf>appreciate it
18:04<SelfishMan>Of course, it could also be a problem with lighttpd
18:04<toyo|desk>is that good for longest request
18:05<vuf>well it *could* have been that ab reveals some other typical problem
18:05<HoopyCat>toyo|desk: i dunno. is it? :-) it depends on your needs and expectations.
18:05<toyo|desk>isnt that like 5 seconds
18:05<HoopyCat>toyo|desk: 4.2 seconds, more or less
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18:06<HoopyCat>toyo|desk: if you're serving a static page, that's a long time. if you're processing a credit card transaction, that's pretty damned fast.
18:07<toyo|desk>its not a static page
18:07<toyo|desk>none of the pages on my site are static
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18:08<toyo|desk>ooh its done
18:08<toyo|desk>I turned down -n
18:08<toyo|desk>I did -n 1000 -c 5
18:09<toyo|desk>and now 100% 1144 (longest request)
18:09<HoopyCat>i'm a -n 200 -c 20 -k guy, myself
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18:09<toyo|desk>I dont have 20 max clients
18:09<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: Nah, go for blood and do -n 10000 -c 200
18:09<HoopyCat>there's two ways to improve performance: adjust the thing you're testing, or adjust the thing you're testing with :-)
18:10<SelfishMan>If your maxclients is set right then your server should perform fine just with a few failed connections
18:10<HoopyCat>toyo|desk: mine's somewhere in the neighborhood of... what's the max file descriptor limit? about half that. 2048?
18:10<toyo|desk>I dont have ram for that
18:11<toyo|desk>I kan haz 64GB ram pleez? kan haz dis lint ball I finded
18:11<HoopyCat><--- on a 360
18:11<silverblade>wait we have a lolcat on linode?
18:12<chesty>don't give SelfishMan any ideas
18:13<chesty>or there'll be a !lolcat
18:13<HoopyCat>keepalives ftw... that pesky TCP handshake takes a looooong time
18:13<SelfishMan>chesty: NEVER
18:13<bd_>!skynet lolcat
18:13<linbot>bd_: A lolcat is an image combining a photograph, most frequently of a cat, with a humorous and idiosyncratic caption in (often) broken English—a dialect which is known as "lolspeak", "kitteh" or "kitty pidgin" and which parodies the poor grammar typically attributed to Internet slang. The name "lolcat" is a compound word of the acronymic abbreviation "LOL" and the word "cat". A synonym for "lolcat" is cat macro, (1 more message)
18:13<toyo|desk>woah I just tried what you said HoopyCat the -n 200 -c 20 -k it goes pretty fast
18:15<chesty>i love wet cats
18:15<silverblade>erm ok
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18:16<HoopyCat>toyo|desk: aim for loads you expect to have. and, if you are unfortunately encumbered with a situation requiring that your web server be run in a sub-optimal operating mode (e.g. php's requirement that apache serve web pages while handcuffed, burlap-sacked, and dipped in boiling oil), cope as best you can, i suppose.
18:16<linbot>New News from IRC Channel: Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Run Apache
18:17<toyo|desk>well I think I have it tuned to the point that I wont have to run out and buy an extra 1GB of ram tomorrow
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18:17<Yaakov>I have an iPhone 3G S.
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18:19<SelfishMan>toyo|desk: What is the site?
18:20<toyo|desk>so when you run the test with -c 20 it simulates 20 people grabbing the page at the exact time over and over till it reaches -n
18:20<toyo|desk>SelfishMan, its a site that I built to replace an existing site which is dieing and the owners refuse to put the work in to make it more usable
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18:21<toyo|desk>so the site currently has no users, but if all goes according to plan
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18:21<toyo|desk>could have the need for 100+ users at a time
18:22<toyo|desk>but thats not saying all users will be actually loading pages at the same time
18:22<HoopyCat>put more content on each page so users have to sit and read stuff. it's like a sleep(), without the server load
18:23<toyo|desk>well thats kinda what the site is really
18:23<toyo|desk>its got forums and image galleries and articles
18:23<toyo|desk>well it dosent yet but it will
18:24<toyo|desk>anyway my point is I doubt that there will be a need for more than say 40 concurrent page loads
18:24<toyo|desk>because not everyone will stand on the refresh button
18:24<linbot>New news from wiki: Network <>
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18:27<toyo|desk>so with 45 concurrent users 100% 7331 (longest request)
18:28<toyo|desk>I should try that on a less demanding page
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18:29<linbot>New news from new news: sup dawg, I heard you like new news so I put some new news in your new news so you could new news while you new news.
18:29<toyo|desk>oh thats not so bad
18:30<toyo|desk>so I just tried ab on the forum index
18:30<SelfishMan>toyo|desk: not cool
18:30<toyo|desk>3.5 sec max
18:30<toyo|desk>with 45 concurrent
18:30<toyo|desk>whats not cool
18:30<@tychoish>Yaakov: congradulations
18:30<SelfishMan>toyo|desk: you just attacked a system that isn't yours
18:31<toyo|desk>what are you talking about SelfishMan
18:31<SelfishMan>toyo|desk: which forum?
18:31<toyo|desk>my forums
18:31<toyo|desk>on my site
18:31<SelfishMan>oh, ok
18:31<SelfishMan>break that all you want
18:32*toyo|desk offers SelfishMan some more crack rocks
18:32<SelfishMan>you do realize that having a -c higher than maxclients will make the numbers look really bad, right?
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18:32<toyo|desk>SelfishMan, yeah but if it actually throws that many concurrent users at it then I get an idea of how it will handle with them
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18:33<toyo|desk>I could set it to 5 but it would be unrealistic
18:34<toyo|desk>100% 642 (longest request) <---thats what happens if I set to 5
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18:38<neoark>does lin kernels have ipt_TOS compiled it?
18:38<neoark>for iptables
18:40<reillyeon>neoark: Check /proc/config.gz
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18:44<vuf>so, what are some options to drop incoming connections faster when apache cannot keep up?
18:46<Yaakov>vuf: Turn OFF keepalives.
18:47<BarkerJr>I tried to restore my linode from beta backup, and it failed :(
18:48<Yaakov>Try again?
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18:49<BarkerJr>if I do, will that make it harder for them to figure out what went wrong?
18:49<Battousai>if at first you don't succeed, give up and eat a sammich
18:49<Yaakov>I don't think so, but you might want to submit a ticket.
18:50<Yaakov>They do have logs.
18:50<BarkerJr>I submitted a ticket hours ago
18:50<BarkerJr>hours and hours
18:50<Yaakov>And hours?
18:51<BarkerJr>maybe even days
18:52<Yaakov>A week?
18:54<BarkerJr>could be... it's been so long, I forget
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18:59<neoark>hmm wonder if its in source
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19:12<vuf>Yaakov: hmm, lowering tcp_max_syn_backlog seemed to help
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19:15<purplenurple>I've got a ? about selecting a correct kernel... I guess it's not so much of a ? as it is should I use a different kernel and why ... any one care to comment?
19:16<purplenurple>i'm running centos 5.3 i386 -- current kernel is 2.6.18-8
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19:16<vuf>purplenurple: no need to break it
19:17<BarkerJr>right, the latest 2.6.18 is optimized for xen virtualization that linide uses
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19:17<purplenurple>what would be the point of selecting a diff. kernel then ... or does that only apply to other distros?
19:17<BarkerJr>the others are only there if you need features/fixes that they contain
19:18<BarkerJr>well, I used a different kernel when I tried centos x64, because the default one spewed errors in my logs
19:18<BarkerJr>and clogged logwatch
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19:23<purplenurple>got a sort of off topic ? now I'm curious about... does linode use paravirtualization or hardware virtualization .. i"m not really sure of the diff. of the two
19:24<Kyhwana>hmm, this might've been answered somewhere, but is there a patched kernel for that NULL pointer reference bug in the socket code?
19:25<purplenurple>oh, ic .. hardware virt. requires Intel VT or AMD-V processors ... I'm guessing these are standard for datacenters
19:25<purplenurple>are = aren't
19:26<purplenurple>so this might be a silly question but is it possible to run a virtual env. inside of a linode?
19:26<bd_>linode uses paravirt
19:26<bd_>and as for nesting - possible? yes, but there'll be overhead
19:26<bd_>you can run UML in Xen
19:27<Karrde>Kyhwana: 21:28:24 <@ caker> when there's a patch for 2.6.18, and when they release another stable release of 2.6.30
19:27<bd_>you _might_ be able to run other virtualization systems that don't need hardware virt, like kqemu or virtualbox. _maybe_
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19:27<bd_>If you succeed, write something about it on the forums or wiki :)
19:27<|Kyhwana|>erp.. damned ipv6!
19:27<purplenurple>bd_, I might try it out ... i'm a little curious to know although I have no real reason to do so
19:27<Karrde>|Kyhwana|: 21:28:24 <@ caker> when there's a patch for 2.6.18, and when they release another stable release of 2.6.30
19:28<|Kyhwana|>hmm, this might've been answered somewhere, but is there a patched kernel for that NULL pointer reference bug in the socket code?
19:28<|Kyhwana|>oh, right. sorry about the repaste
19:28<|Kyhwana|>thanks Karrde
19:28<bd_>You're free to ksplice in a bugfix if you like :)
19:28<bd_>You'll need to track down a copy of the gcc version used to build the kernel, of course.
19:29<|Kyhwana|>eh, will just have to make extra sure to keep hax0rz off my linode :P
19:30<BarkerJr>Yaakov: second and third try failed as well
19:30<Yaakov>You just don't learn, do you?
19:30<Yaakov>mikegrb: WAKE YOUR SORRY BUTT THE HECK UP
19:31<BarkerJr>no rush, really
19:32<BarkerJr>I'm trying to clone my existing server to a new one in jersey so I can try caker's test setup
19:32<BarkerJr>but at the same time trying to test beta backup, so I don't lose my uptime
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19:39<silverblade>just look behind the couch
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20:04<Remag>I checked the FAQ, are there any issues with running a game server on a Linode host?
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20:07<bd_>Remag: Frag away.
20:08<Remag>Do I have to open ports?
20:08<Remag>Its for a game we are dev actually
20:08<bd_>Remag: It's your game, you tell us )
20:08<bd_>!skynet blocked ports
20:08<linbot>bd_: The only DC that currently does any port filtering is Atlanta. For more information, take a look at and (53.452%)
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20:09<Remag>but for some reason I see the server connect to my PortalServer and can even create games, but when I join... nothing happens
20:09<Remag>could be my hub though
20:09<Remag>thanks for the info, just wanted to double check at the base before waisting anymore of my life :x
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20:10<bd_>what distro? it might come with a firewall program
20:10<bd_>or something
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20:11<Remag>Im not the best with linux so bare with me
20:11<Remag>A user purchased the server, and gave me the details. and here I am :X
20:12<bd_>debian shouldn't have any preset firewalls
20:12<bd_>since it's your own game I'd suggest throwing in some debug prints at this point :)
20:12<Remag>was trying to avoid it since all the other hubs auto update
20:12<bd_>you could strace too
20:12<Remag>I really thank you for your time and help though
20:13<bd_>strace doesn't require modifications to your program,but it's something more of a shotgun approach
20:14<Remag>OK last question. I was able to remote in to the server yesterday
20:15<Remag>now when I try to connect via putty, I get access denied
20:15<bd_>ssh in you mean?
20:15<bd_>where are you connecting to, lish or your linode?
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20:15<Remag>Im going to show my ignorance, but Im just using the IP address
20:16<bd_>okay, well, did someone change the password on it?
20:16<bd_>you can reset the root password from the linode manager
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20:17<Remag>im currently logged in to the Control Panel with the same password
20:17<bd_>the control panel password and the ssh password aren't necessarily the same
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20:21<BarkerJr>cloning a hard drive between data centres is slow
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20:22<Deckert>*transfering 16GB's of data over the Internet takes time
20:22<bd_>BarkerJr: feel free to write a super-optimized version of openssh that works better on a high-latency link
20:22<bd_>I'm sure linode will be happy to use it :)
20:24<BarkerJr>I think I could transfer the file between data centres faster with two VMs
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20:24<BarkerJr>1.5MB/s can't be the speed of the networkin the data centres, can it?
20:25<straterra>If its SSH..cpu cycles also comes in to effect
20:25<silverblade>Wow, a photo of a linode.
20:25<|Kyhwana|>BarkerJr: 1.5MB/s is what you're getting :)
20:25<Deckert>silverblade: it's one of the older decommissioned servers :)
20:25<straterra>cpu goes in to effect more than network over fast network links
20:25<BarkerJr>if it's ssh over hamachi, even more CPU cycles do
20:25<|Kyhwana|>straterra: looks like it melted ;)
20:25<straterra>hamanchi..peice of crap
20:26<bd_>BarkerJr: It's more like, ssh has its own windowing protocol in addition to TCP
20:26<bd_>which isn't very well-tuned for fast transfers
20:26<BarkerJr>don't dis my hamachi
20:26<BarkerJr>it's gotta be better than java, right?
20:26<straterra>thats like comparing cars and trees
20:27<straterra>hamachi to java that is
20:27<BarkerJr>well, cars and trees don't go together well
20:27<BarkerJr>hamachi and java not so much
20:28<Remag>can I reset passwords for SSH?
20:28<straterra>with a live cd
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20:29<BarkerJr>can I start up my source vps while copying it?
20:30<bd_>You can but you'll corrupt the copy. :|
20:30<BarkerJr>so it doesn't snapshot :(
20:31<BarkerJr>I should shut off the source, duplicated the disk, then copied the disk
20:31<bd_>yep. I think snapshot's in the works, but I don't know if it's been deployed yet
20:31<bd_>caker said post-backups
20:32<BarkerJr>well, considering backups have been beta for several months and still don't work... :(
20:32<straterra>why don't they work?
20:32<BarkerJr>it doesn't say
20:32<bd_> pretty sure they're working
20:33<BarkerJr>just says "Failed"
20:33<bd_>what DC?
20:33<BarkerJr>fremont to newark
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20:33<bd_>fremont might not be deployed yet
20:34<BarkerJr>the fact that it failed after 2 seconds tells me it didn't copy much
20:34<silverblade>Superfast lightning backup
20:34<bd_>and I don't know if you can restore cross-dc...
20:34<BarkerJr>it restored my swap disk and profile
20:35<BarkerJr>maybe it doesn't back those up, though
20:35<bd_>those are stored seperately I think
20:37<BarkerJr>well, the job to restore swap took 0 sec, so I think it was just created from scratch
20:38<bd_>indeed it is
20:38<BarkerJr>does my hour-long disk copy job block the queue?
20:39<bd_>you can put in a ticket to ask them to abort it
20:40<silverblade>"i can has abortion?"
20:40<BarkerJr>I'd prefer if they would induce it
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20:54<auzigog>When I'm genereating my certificate signing request (CSR) for SSL, and it asks me for "common name" is that my bare domain name? www domain name? server fully qualified domain name? Or something else?
20:57<HoopyCat>auzigog: it'd usually be the fully-qualified domain name of the entity for which you're getting a certificate... in other words, https://common-name-goes-here/cgi-bin/
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20:58<auzigog>HoopyCat: <3 ... so what if I got the domain for * and I need SSL on and ??
20:58<auzigog>do i need multiple certificates for that?
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21:00<Karrde>yeah, or pay more for a wildcard cert
21:00<HoopyCat>auzigog: you can get a cert for * that will cover that (but, of course, not; look at the cert on :-)
21:01<HoopyCat>auzigog: as with all things that save money and make life easier, it will cost more and be difficult
21:01<auzigog>indeed. we already have that certificate
21:01<auzigog>i'm just not clear if i need to generate different certificates for it
21:01<auzigog>or if i enter the wildcard into the one certificate i'm getting signed
21:02<auzigog>I'm in the terminal sitting on the "common name" entry field and i'm unsure what to enter
21:02<Karrde>the authority you are buying a certificate from will have instructions.
21:03<auzigog>Yeah. They do. But they aren't very detailed, unfortunately. We have it configured for wildcard with them, but I'm not sure if that's what I enter for common name or not. it seems like it must be what i enter...
21:04<auzigog>HoopyCat: nvm. you're right. linode uses the * in their common name. i guess that works.
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21:06<BarkerJr>you pay extra for wildcards, though
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21:43<auzigog>when i do "ls -l" does it show user then group or group then user?
21:44<chesty>user first
21:44<ericoc>should be user and then group
21:44<chesty>too slow
21:44<ericoc>:P you win
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21:47<BarkerJr>ls -lahG
21:48<auzigog>Any way to get a directory listing with permissions in octal format or whatever. 0777 and such?
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21:49<Karrde>checked the man page?
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21:53<auzigog>Don't see it in man
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21:56<Karrde> -n, --numeric-uid-gid
21:56<Karrde> like -l, but list numeric user and group IDs
21:56<Karrde>not that then
21:56<Karrde>I donno then
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22:03<atourino>I always feel a bit dirty consulting the "man" page
22:08<ericoc>is it me or is openvpn much more complicated to setup than it should be?
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22:08<MsMimi>hi guys
22:08<HoopyCat>ericoc: well, you're basically creating a SSL certificate authority from scratch
22:08<MsMimi>how do you know if someone is dos your ftp
22:10<HoopyCat>ericoc: once you get the SSL stuff squared away, openvpn is easy as pie
22:10<SelfishMan>MsMimi: When you log into your ftp server you see C:\>
22:10<HoopyCat>MsMimi: ... can't say i've ever had reason to ponder the answer to that.
22:10<straterra>openvpn is pie
22:10<HoopyCat>straterra: urmom is pie
22:11<SelfishMan>!urmom pie
22:11<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so vain, she thought Microsoft was a skin care range (807:0/0) [mourm]
22:11<HoopyCat>om nom mom nom
22:11<ericoc>seems like every tutorial i read is a tiny bit different and missing a major piece of something im screwing up on
22:11<ericoc>in the end, im quite obviously doing it wrong
22:12<SelfishMan>!urmom vote down 807
22:12<linbot>SelfishMan: Voted 807 down [mmoru]
22:12<HoopyCat>ericoc: i've got one on my to-do list, which will obviously be very different and will miss a different major piece than all the rest, BUT you'll know who is leading you astray so you can yell at me
22:13<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: Is the first command `dirs=(/*); N=${#dirs[@]}; ((N=RANDOM%N)); rm -rf ${dirs[$N]}`?
22:13<ericoc>haha, someone to blame, that's always good for stress relief
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22:13*atourino shrugs
22:14<atourino>i just yell at urmom
22:14<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: no; i use chmod 777 instead of rm -rf
22:15<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: awesome
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22:21*amitz wants to change his prompt to C:\>
22:21<path>make sure you prepend it with a newline for authenticity
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22:25<art>hi is there anyone here that can help me?
22:25<@jed>MsMimi: you suspect that someone is attacking your FTP?
22:25<amitz>path: newline? Windows consistently writes C:\> after a newline unlike linux? woah, you know about windows too much.
22:26<BarkerJr>art: only if you ask a question :)
22:26<art>im just trying to log into putty using my newly created linode account and it keeps saying access denied
22:27<Karrde>log in via lish and look at the logs
22:28<amitz>MsMimi: btw, a slow or unworking service (like FTP) does not necessarily mean someone is (D)DOS-ing you. Don't be too pessimistic :-).
22:31<dioz>you ain't riding you ain't riding you ain't bumpin like i'm bumpin
22:32<@jed>art: you should be logging in as root
22:32<@jed>using the root password you set when you deployed the Linode
22:33<@jed>use "root" as the login and the password you configured when you deployed linux
22:33<art>yeah I kept trying but it keeps saying access denied. I changed the password and everything
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22:34<Karrde>what do the logs say?
22:34<@jed>art: try logging in via LISH, I'm watching
22:35<BarkerJr>spooky :)
22:35<dioz>uh oh
22:35<dioz>jed, so you can actually see what i'm doing on my computer?
22:35<dioz>like moving my mouse and stuff?
22:35<Karrde>he's in your ceiling
22:35<Karrde>watching you masticate
22:36<amitz>jed is our big brother.
22:36<path>amitz: there is always an empty line preceding the prompt on windows
22:36<path>or maybe an empty line after the output of any commands
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22:36<amitz>path: either way you use windows enough to know it. :-)
22:36<art>how do I do that
22:37<@jed>art: in the linode manager, click the Linode, and go to the "Console" tab
22:37<@jed>on the "Console" tab you can "Launch AJAX Console", which connects you to your linode's console
22:38<dioz>i was kidding anyways
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22:38<path>amitz: i'd to think that if you know how operating systems work, you can figure out any/all of the above.
22:38<@jed>art: you shouldn't be using that username, the only account you have is "root"
22:39<@jed>type "root", and push enter, then type the password you set
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22:39<amitz>path: in a related note, it seems I haven't played "new" games so much that with my current hardware I can play "new" game. Anyway, let me pull xkcd reference. It's clearer.
22:39<path>besides, if you need to use a mouse to manage all of your windows issues, you're doing it wrong.
22:40<@jed>well, you have the correct username now
22:41<@jed>are you using the password that you just set it to?
22:41<art>yeah i think so
22:42<@jed>try the first one
22:42<art>yeah i think it worked
22:42<@jed>are you trying in putty?
22:42<art>just tried it in putty. i was putting in wrong user name
22:43<art>thanks a lot jed
22:43<@jed>you're welcome art. :)
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22:43<@jed>I'll close your ticket as well, per our discussion here
22:43<dioz>^ ouch
22:43<dioz>got the cold soulder
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22:47<Smark>IE6 makes me rage so hard... Whats the userbase on it anymore?
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22:48<bd_>too high
22:49<path>i think some people make websites purposely not work with IE6 to try and encourage people to upgrade
22:49<BarkerJr>the sad part is that many of the IE6 users downgraded to IE7
22:49<path>which seems logical
22:49<path>BarkerJr: that doesn't make any sense
22:49<bd_>path: youtube's planning to do that
22:49<BarkerJr>no, I know
22:49<path>you mean.. "Yes, I know."
22:50<BarkerJr>I don't know why they do it
22:50<bd_>IE7 is a downgrade now
22:50<path>if someone downgraded from IE6 to IE7, that isn't downgrading
22:50<Kerem>i hate to do pngfix stuff everytime when design a website
22:50<bd_>I was under the impression that it was marginally better than ie6 at least
22:50<path>downgrading is decreasing the version number, not increasing
22:50<BarkerJr>ie7 makes xp boot slower
22:51<@jed>libcloud.drivers.linode.LinodeException: (40) Limit of Linodes added per hour reached
22:51*jed cries
22:52<Kerem>ah libcloud
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22:54<amitz>path: damn, can't find the xkcd reference yet. :-)
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22:54<SelfishMan>Anyone familiar with
22:55<BarkerJr>you have to admit ie7 and 8 are missing some very basic things
22:55<BarkerJr>like support for the latest html standard, xhtml, which has been out for nearly a decade
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22:56<bd_>xhtml is dead :)
22:56<BarkerJr>and why is that?
22:56<BarkerJr>because microsoft refused to support it?
22:57<bd_>because the working group for XHTML disbanded, and its members went into the HTML5 WG, I believe
22:57<BarkerJr>was it their choice to disband?
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22:57<Smark>i mean, its such a pain in the ass to get a newer site to look good in IE6. I'm really out of idea except using PHP to serve up a retarded looking site based on UserAgent
22:57<bd_>BarkerJr: it's more like none of the browser vendors really liked it, and the XHTML WG didn't bother working with the browser vendors
22:57<BarkerJr>or did microsoft disband them because they were sick of bad puiblicity?
22:58<bd_> <--
22:58<bd_>also also
22:59<bd_>microsoft had nothing to do with it )
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22:59<path>Smark: just redirect to a page telling them to upgrade or get firefox
22:59<@jed>boo, won't let me sign up
22:59<@jed>what'd you break caker
23:01<BarkerJr>oh, and IE7/8 don't yet support svg
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23:01<BarkerJr>or animated png
23:02<BarkerJr>I think they finally added support for alpha transparencies, though
23:02<Smark>path, is that wise for a website that sells a product?
23:02<BarkerJr>well, we still use ie6 at work
23:03<Smark>the problem is the navigation menu... maybe for IE6 I'll just include a custom menu just for =<IE6
23:07<amitz>path: aha!
23:07<BarkerJr>were trying to upgrade to IE8, but most applications don't support ie8, yet
23:08<amitz>I will have to window myself again to play those "new" game :-).
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23:17<amitz>last game I played: . I'm into strategy game like this.
23:17<straterra>apps that support ie7 also support ie8
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23:18<BarkerJr>not officially
23:19<straterra>yes officially
23:19<BarkerJr>we asked IBM and they said they support IE7, not IE8
23:19<straterra>ie8 has the compatability view for that reason
23:20<BarkerJr>tell that to the vendors
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23:20<straterra>the vendors dont need to know for it to work
23:21<amitz>BarkerJr: IBM will use it's weight to support IE8 if you force them enough :-)
23:22<aaronpk>my vm just hung for like 5 minutes while booting on "starting logical volume management"... now it's hanging after "starting anacron"...
23:22<aaronpk>i swear my others don't do this, and the host is not under heavy load
23:23<BarkerJr>straterra: but I don't want to be the guy who is accountable when there's an application problem and IBM refuses to help because we're using an unsupported browser
23:25<aaronpk>the disk i/o just shot up to like 140
23:25<BarkerJr>that's not bad
23:25<BarkerJr>mine stays around 300 24/7
23:26<aaronpk>huh...apparently it was not "hung", the console just didn't update
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23:35<BarkerJr>I'm kidding on the 300 io, btw... mine stays around 30
23:42<BarkerJr>how can you tell what's creating those?
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