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---Logopened Wed Aug 19 00:00:06 2009
00:01<Huitzilopochtli>supine: do you have a suggestion about how i can filter out the checks from ldirectord ?
00:02<supine>Huitzilopochtli: you mean in your web server logs?
00:02<Huitzilopochtli>no, in tcpdump
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00:03<Huitzilopochtli>plenty of traffic leaves the load balancer !
00:03<Huitzilopochtli>i guess i can figure out what interface goes to outside world, nevermind
00:03<supine>define limits
00:03<supine>port 80 and not src ip LB_INT_IP
00:04<supine>of course i've forgotten my tcpdump speak
00:04<aaronpk>bummer... 6 hours to move my linode from newark to fremont
00:04<Pryon>At least you don't have to use a station wagon full of floppies
00:04<straterra>Don't copy that floppy
00:04<Bdragon>hahahahahahahaha
00:05<Pryon>!newercalc 16GiB in MiB
00:05<linbot>Pryon: 16384 MiB (mebibytes)
00:05<Pryon>!newercalc 16384MiB/1.44MiB
00:05<linbot>Pryon: 11380
00:05<supine>Huitzilopochtli: try 'port 80 and not host ...'
00:05<Pryon>only 11,380 floppies
00:05<Pryon>for a 360
00:05<aaronpk>!newercalc 11380 floppies in pounds
00:06<linbot>aaronpk: urmom
00:06<aaronpk>aw
00:06<Bdragon>sounds more like something that wolfram thing would be better at
00:06<Pryon>!newercalc weight of a 3.5 inch floppy
00:06<linbot>Pryon: urmom
00:06<Bdragon>svelte!
00:06<Pryon>not really
00:07<supine>Huitzilopochtli: I've only ever seen this working using masq. your setup was mostly for direct return.
00:07<Huitzilopochtli>supine: here i am telneting to port 80 of lb : http://pastebin.com/d59c84924
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00:09<amitz>Pryon: you only need 1 corrupt PC to screw your life :-)
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00:09<amitz>s/PC/floppies
00:10<Huitzilopochtli>supine: ive gotten this to work with physical machines many many times, im not surew what im doing wrong
00:14<supine>Huitzilopochtli: that packet coming back is a reset
00:14<Huitzilopochtli>do i have something stupid set in sysctl.cnf on my load balancer ?
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00:16<supine>Huitzilopochtli: not sure if it's sysctl but there is definitely something weird going on. you sure there is no firewall running?
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00:18<supine>Huitzilopochtli: also, you have a direct return config setup so change 'masq' back to 'gate'. n.b. I've never heard of anyone using that method on Linode, doesn't mean it can't be done
00:19<Huitzilopochtli>supine: i haven't installed any firewall stuff. its just default debian. http://pastebin.com/d34b3ad7f
00:21<supine>Huitzilopochtli: netstat -pan | grep LISTEN
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00:22<Huitzilopochtli>supine: sysctl.cnf
00:22<Huitzilopochtli>oops
00:22<Huitzilopochtli>http://pastebin.com/d4808f56f
00:27<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Using the Terminal <http://library.linode.com/using-linux/using-the-terminal>
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00:28<supine>Huitzilopochtli: it's like the LB is trying to handle locally rather than pass through
00:31<Huitzilopochtli>supine: http://pastebin.com/d71b8ed9d
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00:36<jordanb>Hi.
00:36<jordanb>How would I go about downgrading my linode?
00:37<reillyeon>jordanb: Enter a support ticket, it will need to be migrated.
00:39<amitz>interesting approach.. you pirate windows XP, then turn yourself in to BSA, then buy the so called impossible to buy XP licenses :-D
00:39<jordanb>Ok thanks.
00:43<Huitzilopochtli>supine: any more ideas?
00:46<supine>Huitzilopochtli: log files? the ipvsadm output shows ldirectord is doing all the right things but perhaps there is something else enlightening?
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00:48<Huitzilopochtli>supine: i looked through all of that, the only interesting thing is this 'failed: No child processes" error
00:48<Huitzilopochtli>http://pastebin.com/d2bff13b7
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00:49<teef>amitz: they really got the xp licenses?
00:49<teef>amitz: do you have a link?
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00:51<amitz>teef: oh no. It's just someone mention it in slashdot
00:51<teef>amitz: ah, shame
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00:53<jordanb>One more question.
00:53<jordanb>I'm trying to figure out a better way to do backups.
00:53<jordanb>Currently I'm rsyncing to my home computer each night
00:54<supine>Huitzilopochtli: not quite sure what that is. if you stop ldirectord does the ipvsadm output empty? when you restart ldirectord do you see the same errors in the logs?
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00:54<jordanb>The linode faq says I can make another partition if I have space left over through the manger.
00:54<jordanb>Wouldn't that end up on the same disks as my linode?
00:54<reillyeon>yes
00:54<jordanb>Heh.
00:55<jordanb>So I wonder why they suggest that as an option. :p
00:55<reillyeon>In case you want more than one partition?
00:55<jordanb>As a backup option
00:55<Bdragon>Because the vast majority of file lossages on linode have not been hardware related.
00:56<Bdragon>there has been only one multiple-disk failure in linode history.
00:56<StevenK>I thought there was two
00:56<SelfishMan>Bdragon: two
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00:56<Bdragon>oh, right
00:56<Bdragon>two
00:56<SelfishMan>but the second one had a fair amount of recovery
00:56<amitz>teef: but there is no mentioning that the license is not available..
00:56<Huitzilopochtli>supine: yes, and yes. i think that error doesn't matter
00:56<jordanb>I remember right when I signed up for linode someone unsubscribed telling me their node had been nuked.
00:56<Bdragon>Sorry, it's 6 to midnight, I'm getting a bit fuzzy
00:56<jordanb>I guess that was a while ago, I had a linode64.
00:57<amitz>teef: in short, there is hope :-)
00:57<jordanb>I'm thinking about downgrading my linode 540 to two linode 360s.
00:57<teef>amitz: it's really tough to buy site xp now
00:57<jordanb>Does anyone use anything else, like amazon s3 or somethin?
00:58<jordanb>My main thing is I don't like my backups relying on my DSL line.
00:58<reillyeon>I pull backups to my home system, but I have a pretty fast connection.
00:58<jordanb>Mine is working fine in terms of how much bandwith it uses. But when I travel I like to turn my computers off, etc.
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00:59<jordanb>And also my connection is sometimes flaky.
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01:00<bob2>I use s3 with duplicity
01:00<amitz>teef: I personally believe that people must get out of microsoft dependency ASAP, while they still can. There is no telling the kind of scheme they will set up to sink us deeper.
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01:01<jordanb>bob2; How do you like it?
01:01<bob2>works well...nice and fast, pretty cheap
01:01<supine>Huitzilopochtli: looks that way. running out of ideas at this point.
01:01<bob2>.au has metered home internetz, so it is a lot cheaper to use s3 than suck it down to my house
01:02<jordanb>Microsoft seems like a dinosaur to me. They used to be really scary.
01:03<amitz>teef: but of course this kind of thinking is a too "long term thinking". The justification is too difficult to create.
01:03<jordanb>All they can do now is rattle the patent saber.
01:05<amitz>jordanb: one of the think that makes me want to get off microsoft ASAP is their Visual Foxpro 7 EULA on running VFP7 on wine. I mean, even if it's within their right to do that, it's foul play!
01:05<jordanb>Heh. I'm suprised they still sell Foxpro.
01:05<amitz>basically they don't allow you to run VFP7 on wine.
01:05<SelfishMan>amitz: First of all, people still use Foxpro?
01:06<jordanb>SelfishMan; That doesn't suprise me so much. People still use DB2.
01:06<SelfishMan>Second, it isn't in their right. Microsoft has been hit hard by that and Apple is getting attacked pretty good too
01:06<amitz>SelfishMan: I shamelessly admit, I do :-p
01:06<jordanb>I'm suprised that microsoft is still willing to sell it though.
01:06<amitz>it's a legacy application I really want to kill..
01:07<jordanb>My favorite thing about foxpro is that it came out of that mid-80s school of thought that the hardest thing about programming is the typing.
01:07<amitz>jordanb: oh no, I don't think they sell it anymore.
01:07<jordanb>So *everything* can be abbreviated.
01:08<jordanb>And is, by all the superbly lazy foxpro programmers
01:08<amitz>jordanb: yeah, the 4 letters magic. :-)
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01:09<teef>amitz: well we have a business critical app that's windows. there is a linux version, but it's just mainwin, so not what you'd want.
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01:11<amitz>SelfishMan: up to 2004, there is this financial institution that is powerful enough to significantly propagate the currency crash in south east asia, still using foxpro, for dos.
01:11<amitz>s/is/was
01:12<amitz>as their core application
01:15<jordanb>I also notice that there seems to be quite a job market avaliable for maintaining legacy coldfusion
01:16<teef>have to bail, night all
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01:16<amitz>nightie
01:20<amitz>jordanb: high paying?
01:21<jordanb>Dunno. Maybe you could drive a hard bargin. ;)
01:21<jordanb>It seems like I get approached fairly frequently about coldfusion. I always say I know nothing about it and am not interested in learning.
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01:22<bob2>hey, linode.com is powered by coldfusion
01:22<jordanb>So people must have trouble finding people.
01:22<jordanb>Seriously?
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01:22<bob2>and theshore.net is still your #1 choice for cf hosting
01:24<jordanb>Oh wow it is!
01:24-!-tiny [~ivob@BSN-77-54-208.dsl.siol.net] has joined #linode
01:24<jordanb>It's even got those massive meta tags at the top
01:24-!-jaiZ [~jaiZ@59.95.190.195] has joined #linode
01:24<jordanb>You know, so altavista will know what the page is about
01:26<aaronpk>ok, so i'm cloning a disk image from linodeA to linodeB. i want to start linodeA as soon as the copy is done, but the queue for linodeA is empty because linodeB has the copy task. is there a way to do this?
01:27<SelfishMan>aaronpk: yep. Wait for the clone to finish then click boot
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01:27<aaronpk>>:( i will be asleep when it's done
01:27<SelfishMan>oh. bad planning then.
01:28<SelfishMan>shrink the image to save time
01:28<aaronpk>yes. i was hoping for something a bit faster than 400kb/s
01:28<SelfishMan>It shouldn't be that slow
01:28<aaronpk>newark to fremont
01:28<SelfishMan>in fact, I've never actually seen it that slow
01:28<SelfishMan>I do Newark <-> Fremont all the time
01:29<aaronpk>ok so it's 460kb/s right now
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01:30<nb>NICE! Fedora 11 is offered now
01:32<jordanb>Heh, I like it how theshore.net's shared hosting pricing is horrible compared to linode.com's vps pricing.
01:32<jordanb>$20/mo for a 100MB shared host with 1GB of transfer.
01:32<jordanb>OOhh Boy! And Apache 1.3!
01:32<checkers>probably not updated since they launched linode ;)
01:33<jordanb>They're running it now on a linode. ;)
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01:35<JoeK>whats athe package that shows bandwidth usage
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01:41<nb>any staff around?
01:41<nb>ny newly installed profile with fedora 11 doesn't appear to have networking set up or something
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01:47<jordanb>That's a feature of fedora. They depricated networking because somebody penciled up this awesome system that will work way better someday. ;)
01:48<jordanb>In the meantime they'll close any bug regarding networking as WONTFIX
01:50<nb>jordanb, /me uses network service not NetworkManager
01:51<nb>actually what it is is that the linode image for fedora 11 appears to not set up /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
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01:52<nb>and doesn't appear to set up resolv.conf
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01:55<@tasaro>nb: is dhcp not working on the new Fedora image?
01:55<nb>tasaro, it didn't appear to
01:55<nb>either that or just dns didn't
01:55<jordanb>Wow storage on S3 is embarassingly cheap
01:55*nb doesn't know if he actually tried to connect to IPs when it was using dhcp
01:56<Bdragon>jordanb: Of course you get charged to move stuff on and off of it
01:56<jordanb>15¢
01:56<nb>I know resolv.conf appeared to be empty
01:56<jordanb>Per GB
01:56<supine>jordanb: and then you get charged for accessing it
01:56<jordanb>Transfer is 10¢ per gb
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01:56<nb>tasaro, i ended up just setting up static configs and that is working
01:56<jordanb>And with rsync my backups are a few hundred megs a night, tops
01:56<@tasaro>ok, deploying a fresh image to test on my end
01:56<Bdragon>jordanb: Two words: bulk savings.
01:57<Bdragon>or, economy of numbers
01:57<jordanb>Yeah.
01:57<jordanb>I'm just thinking my whole backup scheme could cost a few dollars a month on S3
01:57<nb>jordanb, yeah, i need to set it up again
01:57<nb>jordanb, id recommend jungledisk
01:57<nb>jordanb, www.jungledisk.com
01:57<Bdragon>I use mozy on the family pee cee
01:58<nb>its 2.00/month for a really nice program that backs up to s3
01:58<nb>or it backs up to rackspace cloudfiles
01:58<bob2>but then you have to use jungledisk
01:58<jordanb>I think I'd use duplicity
01:58<nb>which is 15c per gb/month and no bandwidth
01:58<aaronpk>how fast is the disk copy within the same datacenter?
01:58<nb>bob2, actually no, not if you use compatibility buckets
01:58<nb>bob2, compatibility buckets stores it using the regular format, not the special jungledisk format
01:59<bob2>what's the hitch then?
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01:59<jordanb>Why use a proprietory layer on s3 when duplicity works fine?
01:59<jordanb>proprietary
02:00<nb>duplicity is semi proprietary also
02:00<Bdragon>having someone to yell at over the phone when shit breaks?
02:00<nb>doesn't it use a special format?
02:00<jordanb>Really? It's in debian.
02:00<bob2>it uses gpg + tar + librsync
02:00<nb>jordanb, well, its open source
02:00<bob2>so 'no'
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02:00<nb>There's an open source code that reads the jungledisk format buckets also
02:00<bob2>is the trick just that jungledisk stores so much data they get the reduced per/GB cost, and thus eat the traffic cost for you?
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02:01<nb>plus they support compatibility ones that use the regular bucket format
02:01<nb>if you don't want it encrypted
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02:01<jordanb>The transfer costs for me would be tiny with this thign.
02:01<jordanb>It'd be like a dollar a week
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02:01<nb>bob2, well, jungledisk is owned by rackspace so they have a special deal with if you use cloudfiles
02:01<nb>if you use s3, you pay the same as what amazon charges anyone
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02:03<jordanb>I feel bad for the rsync.net guys. They seem pretty cool but they're many times the cost of amazon.
02:03<jordanb>I was looking at them, I might as well buy another linode for what they're charging.
02:04<nb>tasaro, another little issue
02:04<nb>[root@li59-77 ~]# passwd
02:04<nb>-bash: passwd: command not found
02:04<nb>[root@li59-77 ~]# whereis passwd
02:04<nb>passwd: /etc/passwd
02:04*nb is not sure why it would have not found the passwd command
02:04<nb>and i had to symlink vi to vim
02:04<jordanb>Is your path correct?
02:05<nb>jordanb, dunno, im using whatever it came with
02:05*nb checks
02:05<nb>[root@li59-77 ~]# echo $PATH
02:05<nb>/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin
02:06<jordanb>nuttty
02:06<jordanb>And it's located in /usr/local/bin?
02:06<jordanb>er, /usr/bin
02:07<nb>[nb@li59-77 ~]$ /usr/bin/passwd
02:07<nb>-bash: /usr/bin/passwd: No such file or directory
02:07<nb>i actually can't find it
02:07<jordanb>Oh, there's your problem then. ;)
02:07<@tasaro>nb: thanks -- have made a note for jed to check it out when he comes in tomorrow morn
02:08<nb>tasaro, ok
02:08<@tasaro>it was actually pushed out today (yesterday) - brand new template image
02:08<nb>yeah, i know last night i only saw fedora 9
02:08*nb was actaully hoping you woujld upgrade it, it makes it a whole lot easier for me to upgrade to rawhide, /me wants to use a linode to do some testing
02:09<nb>so i was happy to notice this today :)
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02:18<aaronpk>linode makes my life eaaaaasy!
02:21<SelfishMan>I just realized I've been surfing the web all day as googlebot
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02:21<SelfishMan>That would actually explain some of the odd content I've seen
02:21*aaronpk is going to have to try that
02:22<jordanb>And I bet you flagrantly ignored robots.txt
02:22<SelfishMan>jordanb: That 'Disallow: /furryporn' didn't stop me at all
02:23<nb>SelfishMan, /me wonders why you would surf as googlebot
02:29<checkers>because you see different content
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02:31<encode>that sounds like a good idea. /me switches his browser identity string to SelfishMan
02:32<jordanb>I browse as 'telnet'
02:32<wabz>sites showing different content to googlebot will get themselves removed from the index fairly quickly :p
02:33<wabz>unless they're just removing ads and stuff
02:33<encode>wabz: by whom? yahoo? :P
02:33<jordanb>Expert sex change did taht for years.
02:33<bob2>clearly not
02:33<bob2>since lots of places do exactly that
02:33<bob2>e.g. safari
02:34<bob2>and scribd
02:34<jordanb>Scribd is a crime against humanity anyway.
02:34<bob2>shame there's no built in way to exclude rubbish from your results
02:34<wabz>it depends what 'content' you're changing
02:35<bob2>$keywords -site:expertsexchange.com -site:scribd.com etc
02:35<wabz>you could probably use greasemonkey to do that bob2
02:36<SelfishMan>"Where did modsecurity went?"
02:36<SelfishMan>nb: I was testing how a site would handle various search engines
02:37<wabz>encode: try au.yahoo.com with UA 'googlebot' :p
02:38<SelfishMan>wabz: looks exactly the same
02:39<wabz>shouldn't be ads with googlebot
02:39<SelfishMan>meh
02:39<SelfishMan>I don't see ads anyway
02:40<encode>ABP ftw
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02:56<aaronpk>i swear...this disk copy has said "5 hours 30 minutes remaining" for the last 3 hours
02:57<jordanb>It *IS* Cold Fusion. :p
02:57<jordanb>ISTR having it hang forever once, and coming on here and having a staff member kick something.
02:57<jordanb>That was a log time ago though.
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03:46<aaronpk>well it's definitely progressing, it just always says 5:30 remaining
03:57<aaronpk>omg! 5:18 to go!
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07:54<Mathew>Finally, was this channel dead earlier?
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08:05<peter>there was a fairly large netsplit earlier tonight..
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08:21<erikh>wow, large is an understandment
08:22<erikh>completely clobbered my proxy logs
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08:36<Yaakov>HoopyCat: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sports/2009/08/18/cabral.85.bench.press.dnt.kovr
08:39<HoopyCat>Yaakov: 55 pounds doesn't sound like much, but i doubt my personal ability to lift such
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08:44<Yaakov>HoopyCat: For an 85-year old woman, that's pretty impressive.
08:48<HoopyCat>Yaakov: if my grandmother were still alive, she'd probably bench-press that woman using nothing but her mind and a command of italian swear words
08:49<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Pfft! She has to be ALIVE to do that?
09:19<linbot>New news from forums: Linode DNS manager vs DynDNS in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4523>
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09:45*amitz used to fall sick due to lifting too many heavy stuff..
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09:55<irssitst>Wow, irssi is super nice!!
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09:56<erikh>HoopyCat: I need this. On video.
09:56<erikh>I think I can simulate it with a 70 year old polish woman with a .38 snub-nose (my grandmother)
09:56*alpo wonders whether he just wandered into the wrong channel
10:00<alpo>correction -- newark47 has moved from 'sluggish' to 'constipated'
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10:03<knipster>I'm sure the answer is: If I don't know, then choose the default BUT: For what criteria would I choose 1 kernel over another for my linode? Are there stats on what other linode hosts are running?
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10:09<@tychoish>knipster: if you're writing something that interacts with the kernel directly, or using an app that does, you might (and this is a stretch) get some benefit from running something newer. there have also been instances where some distributions work better with newer kernels, but I would always take the "let me use the oldest stable that will work
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10:17<knipster>tychoish: thanks, I suspected something like that, do you know of common examples of apps like that? The closest thing I think of (for small business/techie personal) would be something like Asterisk
10:22<@tychoish>I think it really depends on your specific compliment of programs,... so I'm not sure. Asterisk makes sense as one. I think in general "if you don't know if you need the latest kernel or not, you probably don't,"
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10:23<knipster>cool, thanks for the mind-share, just something I pondered while reviewing my kernel choice (given the security patches) and seeing a long list to choose from in LPM
10:24<iicsa>anyone run NFS server? why the heck do i get the following error (i get it on ubuntu 9.04 and suse ): sudo exportfs -a
10:24<iicsa>exportfs: /etc/exports:1: unknown keyword "r"
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10:27<Bdragon>typo on line 1 of /etc/exports?
10:28<iicsa>Bdragon: my line 1 is a comment..
10:28<iicsa>ah i think i know
10:28<iicsa>(r,sync,no_subtree_check) - is r not valid? i want read only
10:29<iicsa>what is read only? ro?
10:29<Bdragon>readonly is the default.
10:29<Bdragon>you use rw if you want readwrite
10:29<iicsa>ahhh cool thanks.
10:30<Bdragon>ro does work too
10:30<Bdragon>r doesn't
10:30<iicsa>ok, i just took out the 'r' works nice :)
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10:57<angryadmin>hi there
10:57<angryadmin>any admin here ?
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10:58<angryadmin>test
10:58<angryadmin>test
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11:03<irssitst>IRSSI is seriosuly nice )
11:03<irssitst>seriously*
11:03-!-irssitst is now known as Big-Mama
11:05<Dianoga>yes...yes it is
11:05<@tychoish>it is indeed. I sometimes wish that it weren't for IRC
11:06<Big-Mama>How do I connect to an server with a special port?
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11:06<amitz>Big-Mama: you tempt me
11:06<@tychoish>like if you could take IRSSI awesomeness and then bundle it up and put it in something else... like a less sucky mail client, or a mobile phone that wasn't lame :)
11:06<@tychoish>Big-Mama: what are you trying to acomplish?
11:07<Big-Mama>I'm trying to connect to an IRC server with a special port (8005).
11:07<@tychoish>ususally [address|domain]:PORT works
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11:07<@tychoish>in irssi
11:07<Big-Mama>connect irc2.nortv.net:8005 then?
11:07<@tychoish>which program?
11:07<Big-Mama>IRSSI.
11:07<@tychoish>that might work, probably
11:07<Big-Mama>It didn't :P
11:08<Big-Mama>Unable to connect server irc2.nortv.net:8005 port 6667 [Name or service not known]
11:08<Big-Mama>Is what it says.
11:08<@tychoish>ah
11:08<hawk>Big-Mama: don't use ":"
11:08<Big-Mama>Oh.
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11:08<Big-Mama>irc2.nortv.net8005 ?
11:09<@tychoish>yeah, space in irissi seems to be the thign
11:09<hawk>Big-Mama: space
11:09<Big-Mama>Oh.
11:09<Big-Mama>Okay, just a space.
11:09<@tychoish>irc2.nortv.net 8005
11:09<@tychoish>you can also specify things in your config file
11:09<Big-Mama>Hmm..
11:09<Big-Mama>It looks like 8005 on this server is SSL.
11:10<Big-Mama>8006 port is non-ssl.
11:10<Big-Mama>Doesn't IRSSI support SSL?
11:10<hawk>Big-Mama: /help connect
11:10<Big-Mama>hawk: No worries, I'm connected via. non-ssl.
11:10<Big-Mama>But I thought IRSSI would support SSL connections.
11:10<Big-Mama>Anyways, no biggie, I'll be fine :)
11:10<hawk>Big-Mama: Ok, I thought maybe you wanted to use SSL, hence the reference to the docs
11:11<Big-Mama>Oh, I'm sorry.
11:11<Big-Mama>A little too quick there.
11:11<Big-Mama>Non-ssl will do for now, I'll sort it out later :)
11:11<Big-Mama>Thanks for all your help again #Linode :P
11:13<teef>just want to see how irssi handles long lines in vt100 term, blah blah blah, move along, nothing to see here. ding ding ding ding... blah blah blah blah blah... oranges are evil... long live the emperor... that might just reach the end of line...
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11:16<linbot>New news from forums: Does Linode provide addressing through DHCP? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4524>
11:16<angryadmin>hallo ?
11:16<ooo>so what's the default window switch key for irssi?
11:16<angryadmin>any admin available ?
11:17<angryadmin>on linode server is runing a Ddos attack t my server
11:17-!-sbruner [~0c1e66c3@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode
11:18<sbruner>are their problems in Newwark?
11:18<sbruner>linode24690 just went down
11:19<HoopyCat>sbruner: i am fine. which host are you on?
11:19<@caker>sbruner: that Linode is OOMing
11:19<sbruner>newark143
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11:20<sbruner>caker: what is OOMing?
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11:20<teef>Out Of Memory
11:20<sbruner>suggestion?
11:20<sbruner>reboot?
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11:20<teef>find out what's requesting so much to fix it later?
11:21<angryadmin>thx HoopyCat
11:21<amitz>heh, just found a bug on dircproxy, Changing password without restarting makes old password fails but doesn't make new password works.
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11:23<HoopyCat>SpaceHobo: once in awhile, the oomkilla kills the right thing
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11:24<HoopyCat>SpaceHobo: "i need more memory" "uhh, no." "... ok, turns out i don't need more memory. thx"
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11:26<HoopyCat>SpaceHobo: that might be some good pastebin fodder
11:27<aaronpk>oh god... my disk copy ran all night and is now 97% done and is down to 280kb/s
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11:29<@caker>"Free swap = 0kB" ?
11:29<@caker>is swap mounted?
11:29<@caker>never mind
11:30<@caker>SpaceHobo: that looks like a legit OOM to me
11:31<HoopyCat>that sure is a lot of kernel chatter for one second :-)
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11:31<astronut>for the record: moving a mail server to another computer is annoying - so much state hidden everywhere on the filesystem
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11:32<HoopyCat>Aug 19 06:47:43 frotz kernel: printk: 1163 messages suppressed.
11:32<HoopyCat>wheeeeeeeee!
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11:32<angryadmin>thx, mail is out :)
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11:35<teef>SpaceHobo: nothing actually got killed by the oom-killer, at least not in that paste.
11:36<astronut>SpaceHobo: eh, id' rather get it over and done with while i'm on my vacation than have to deal w/ it during school and such
11:36<teef>SpaceHobo: sure, but there's no suppression within those chunks
11:36<teef>SpaceHobo: they 'look' contiguous, but the kill line's missing
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11:39<tarpman>ntp is working fine for me
11:39<path>i run it on a pvops kernel
11:40<tarpman>(2.6.29 linode kernel, sid userland)
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11:40<path>the pvops one don't really keep time well with the host
11:40<@caker>SpaceHobo: 2.6.18 requires you to detatch from the host's clocksource with: echo 0 > /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock
11:40<mib_u6d7zi93>is there something wrong with OFTC? I can't login via x-chat
11:40<Karrde>no
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11:40<@caker>when running pv_ops, it does not track the host's clocksource, so running ntp is required
11:41<aaronpk>WHAT
11:41<megatron27>all of a sudden oftc is working now
11:41<aaronpk>oh god... after 12 hours of my disk copy, the job failed with "File exists - aborting"
11:41<megatron27>i was unable to resolve the domain all day today
11:41<path>it's been working for awhile. we're all here.
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11:41<@caker>aaronpk: that's likely fine.
11:41<@caker>aaronpk: which Linode?
11:41<path>i heard there were some dns issues earlier
11:42<megatron27>path: that was probably it then
11:42<megatron27>thanks
11:42<path>np
11:42<aaronpk>caker: 26861
11:42<@caker>aaronpk: fremont95 worker-26861-linode26861[32550]: dd_with_progress: 100.0% done, 0:00 to go, 286.79 KB/s <-- it finished fine, but lost the connection to the DB when trying to update the job status, so it started over (then failed)
11:43<@caker>aaronpk: you're good to go
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11:43<aaronpk>*whew* thanks
11:43<aaronpk>can you kill job 1323573 which is copying the swap image? i don't need it and it's going to take 20 minutes to copy
11:44<@caker>SpaceHobo: I say stick with the hosts's time. That's what we do
11:44<teef>SpaceHobo: one less process, one less attack vector
11:45<@caker>(er, also, that was supposed to be "echo 1" in my previous statemenet)
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11:57<aaronpk>hrm...
11:58<aaronpk>caker: booting my copied linode failed with "Filesystem /dev/vg1/linode10267-67574 not found. Boot aborted." is that related to losing the DB connection after copying?
11:58<waldo_>caker: i was wondering about that, but didn't want to question the @
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12:00<@caker>aaronpk: what was the order of ops here?
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12:01<aaronpk>i copied the 12gb disk from newark to fremont overnight, it finished and said it failed, then it copied the swap image successfully. i then resized the 12gb disk to 16gb and tried to boot the linode and got that error
12:01<@caker>one moment
12:01<aaronpk>thanks
12:02-!-mercury [~mercury@74.207.242.84] has joined #linode
12:02<mercury>test
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12:03<mercury>how to automatically set my nick name on joining server using irssi?
12:03-!-teef [~user@modemcable129.7-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:03<astronut>modify .irssi/config
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12:04<mercury>astronut: thanks
12:05<@caker>aaronpk: figured it out: the other thing the job does at the end is fix up the path. I fixed it manually
12:05<aaronpk>ah, i figured it was something like that. thanks!
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12:12<vuf>hmm, I need an http proxy as a site that I'm crawling is blocking linodes ip range
12:12<straterra>I have a proxy
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12:16<Karrde>tor
12:18<@jed>vuf: dur?
12:18<@jed>wha?
12:18<vuf>eh?
12:18<@jed>who's blocking our "IP range," and how big is it
12:18<linbot>New news from forums: Which FTP Server? in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2133>
12:19<vuf>jed: well it's not linode specifically, more that they limit to national ips during a ddos recovery ... but it's been going on for some days now
12:19<@jed>ah.
12:21<vuf>so I'm wondering, are there some reliable proxies around? it does not have to be fast, and tor seems overkill ...
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12:24<waldo_>and i don't think tor lets you pick your exit node, which wouldn't help you.
12:25<vuf>good point
12:25<Yaakov>If I knew that jed had root, *I* would drop the Lindoe IP blocks too!
12:25<erikh>hell, i'm doing it already!
12:25<erikh># ifconfig eth0 down
12:26<erikh>wait..
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12:31<aaronpk>um this makes no sense. on the linode i moved to fremont i can't get bind or postfix to respond to the outside world. http is responding tho, and i already turned off the firewall. the only thing that should be different between before and after moving is the IP address, why would that matter?
12:31<erikh>aaronpk: are they bound to 0.0.0.0?
12:31-!-megatron27__ [~firdaus@118.100.129.101] has joined #linode
12:31<erikh>or your old linode IP?
12:31<erikh>netstat -lp as root should tell you
12:31<megatron27__>is there something wrong on my side or what?
12:31<megatron27__>no one else is having problems?
12:32<erikh>no..
12:32<megatron27__>I'll just mibbit
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12:32<erikh>heh
12:32<aaronpk>erikh: looks like everything is listening on *:portnumber or localhost
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12:33<erikh>ok; I've no idea then
12:33<aaronpk>actually wait... netstat -lpn is easier to read
12:33<aaronpk>bind is listening on 127.0.0.1
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12:34<aaronpk>oh, i think it's because when the processes started, the network devices weren't active so it only found localhost to bind to
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12:35<erikh>ah
12:35<aaronpk>that fixed bind, still no go with postfix
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12:36<waldo_>aaronpk: make sure your old IP isn't referenced anywhere in your postfix configs
12:37<waldo_>or your old subnet, come to think of it.
12:37<erikh>yeah, mynetworks probably has it in there.
12:37<waldo_>zactly.
12:37<aaronpk>i don't see any references in /etc/postfix/*
12:38<erikh>look in main.cf
12:38<erikh>that's almost definitely where it'll be.
12:38<erikh>also, check postconf directly
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12:38<erikh>postconf | grep first.three.octets
12:39<aaronpk>that's weird, it was never in the mynetworks line
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12:40*aaronpk is dumb
12:40*mib_1v0h72pk is megatron
12:40<aaronpk>comcast is blocking port 25 outgoing
12:40<erikh>oh, yeah, heh
12:40<erikh>use 587
12:40<mib_1v0h72pk>something is wrong with my connection I suppose
12:40<erikh>welcome to consumer networks
12:40<aaronpk>nah, it's actually a mail server so it has to be port 25
12:40<erikh>well either way, I fly back to the west coast today, then EPIC MEGATRIP ACROSS COUNTRY
12:41<erikh>cya all later.
12:41<mib_1v0h72pk>bye
12:41<mib_1v0h72pk>loving
12:41<erikh>aaronpk: trust me; postfix listens on 587 too.
12:41<erikh>anyways, out.
12:41<aaronpk>bye
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12:43<vuf>aaronpk: so you have to use a relayhost
12:43<vuf>?
12:44<vuf>aaronpk: ah, now I know what you are doing, never mind
12:44<aaronpk>no, this server is delivering mail for a bunch of domains
12:44<aaronpk>as far as i know, world-accessible mail servers have to listen on port 25
12:45<vuf>yes if you want it to work well :). i misunderstood your problem from skimming the log.
12:45<linbot>New news from forums: Questions about Disk space in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4525>
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12:46<Horrid>Find out the true statistics on the crimes that negroes commit at Chimp Out Forum! http://chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9680 We are not White Supremacists, rather we are Negro Inferiorists. We welcome all races that aren't Negroid. The criteria for joining Chimpout: Non-negroid and hates niggggras!
12:46<aaronpk>wait, i thought it wasn't ok to edit master.cf directly?
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12:47<waldo_>that's sendmail.
12:47<waldo_>postfix you edit configs directly.
12:48<aaronpk>oh ok
12:48<waldo_>wow. That was great. Thanks, Horrid.
12:48*waldo_ rolls his eyes
12:50<tarpman>horrid is about right
12:53<aaronpk>does iptables 1.2.5 not understand --to-destination?
12:54<aaronpk>oh, i forgot -j DNAT
12:54<aaronpk>win. http://neverusethisfont.com/blog/2009/07/workaround-for-comcast-blocking-port-25/
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12:59<vuf>aaronpk: uhm, then you have to listen on 587, too?
12:59<aaronpk>yes
12:59<vuf>that's only half a win :)
13:00<Pryon>Nice error message evince: "some font thing failed"
13:01<jtsage>huh. 'tolerant' bigots. that's nice.
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13:02<Pryon>'you're not tolerant of my intolerance@!!!1!!1'
13:03<mib_1v0h72pk>that has happened before
13:03<Yaakov>*** EPRYBOUND PRYON PAST END BOUNDARY
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13:05<Pryon>Okay, at least evince's error messages are better than that
13:05<Pryon>less strident, anyway
13:06<Yaakov>*** EVOID EPISTEMIC LIMIT REACHED
13:06*mib_1v0h72pk tries to recall why he is installing IE7 on Linux
13:07<waldo_>vuf: it's a full win if you keep your MX listening on 25 along with the 587 trick
13:07<waldo_>the iptables just routes around local damage :]
13:08<vuf>waldo_: as long as you don't want to access other servers
13:08<aaronpk>vuf: it only forwards port 25 to 587 for my mail server's IP
13:09<waldo_>vuf: what aaronpk said, and also comcast will block all port 25 outbound so what's the loss exactly?
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13:11<Pryon>kill -s SIGRESETPLATONIC `pidof pryon`
13:11<QuestionGuy>hi
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13:11<QuestionGuy>does linode also provide a centos 5 x64 image ?
13:12<waldo_>well let's see here.
13:12<waldo_>http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#which-distributions-do-you-offer
13:12<Pryon>According to the faq, yes
13:12<QuestionGuy>hah, did not search enough :>
13:12<QuestionGuy>thanks!
13:12<QuestionGuy>:D
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13:15<Pryon>There's a mage in my hedge again. Call the exterminator.
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13:20<amitz>say, I try the so called screen. But backspace doesn't work. What am I missing?
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13:22<Karrde>are you on a ten year old Linux or something?
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13:23<Karrde>you do mean GNU screen yes, the terminal multiplexer?
13:23<Karrde>define "doesn't work."
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13:23<Karrde>jhford: stop that
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13:23<jhford_>Karrde: stop what?
13:24<Karrde>flip-flopping
13:24<Karrde>ping-ponging
13:24<jhford_>i am doing nothing
13:24<Karrde>disconnecting and reconnecting
13:24<jhford_>i am not doing that
13:24<jhford_>(consciously)
13:24<Karrde>fix whatever is doing it then >:(
13:24<jhford_>i dont know what is going on
13:24<amitz>Karrde: sorry. if I press backspace, there is no deleting before cursor action. yes, gnu screen.
13:25<Karrde>amitz: try typing "bash"
13:25*amitz forgets to be more specific while he always reminds people to be more specific :-p
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13:26<Pryon>amitz: what does 'echo $TERM' return?
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13:26<amitz>Karrde: after calling screen, I type bash then enter. Backspace still doesn't do what expected.
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13:26<Karrde>try: stty erase <BKSP>
13:26<amitz>echo $TERM says "screen"
13:27<Karrde>where <BKSP> is you actually hitting backspace
13:27<Pryon>hmmm.
13:27<Karrde>what Linux is this? this should work in bash.
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13:27<Karrde>and usually in sh too
13:27<amitz>missing arguments to erase. debian lenny.
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13:28<amitz>how do I call screen? just "screen" right?
13:28<Karrde>so bksp actually does nothing for you. interesting, usually I get "^H" printed
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13:28<amitz>new info, backspace works in tty0
13:29<amitz>but not in my xterm
13:29<Karrde>I'm out of ideas other than the quite helpful "works for me out of the box on Debian etch/lenny/squeeze"
13:29<vuf>waldo_: if you cannot connect to port 25, that's a loss
13:31<amitz>ah, I find a candidate relevant setting for backspace. Let me try one by one..
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13:34<amitz>Karrde: I force it to ^H and it works :-)
13:34<Karrde>hooray
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13:34<randallman>amitz - stty erase :p
13:34<randallman>Exactly :P
13:34<randallman>Or use bash :)
13:35<randallman>bash doesnt seem to care :P
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13:35<Karrde>he says he was in bash
13:35<randallman>REALLY...
13:35<randallman>That's odd ;)
13:35<Karrde>and that stty erase <BKSP> returned 'not enough arguments'
13:35<randallman>oh you need to ctrl-V bksp
13:35<vuf>it's good that we can still have backspace trouble in 2009
13:35<amitz>Karrde: I assume typing bash then enter means I'm in bash?
13:35<randallman>stty erase (press ctrl V) (press bksp)
13:35<Karrde>yes.
13:36<amitz>then I was in bash.
13:36<randallman>termcap schmerm schmap
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13:37<amitz>randallman: tried the ctrl V, still doesn't work. Only setting backspace to ^H works.
13:38<Karrde>(in his xterm settings dialog)
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13:40<amitz>ooh, never realized pressing ^H works :-)
13:40<amitz>one of these days I must learn about this... encoding stacks.
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13:41*amitz backs on learning the security of screen.
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13:42<vuf>amitz: what's the problem?
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13:44<amitz>well, just want to make sure that screen generated by a login can only be accessed by the same login. Since no password.
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13:45<vuf>amitz: ah, okay. no security is not the same as bad security
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13:46<amitz>vuf: well, in passing, screen generated by a login can only be accessed by the same login right? I'm still learning about it.
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13:49<vuf>amitz: well it creates a fifo for each screen, I guess file permissions on that one controls the access
13:49<vuf>I also don't use screen much
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13:54<path> /var/run/screen/S-path is mode 700 for my user
13:54<path>other users would need to attach to that
13:55<Yaakov>vuf: man screen /acl
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14:01<silverblade>fed up of your existing display? why not try new MAN SCREEN
14:02<JasonF>a man screen?
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14:03<randallman>amitz, eh?
14:03<randallman>pressing ctrl H?
14:03<amitz>ooh, I'm too used to info instead of man
14:04<amitz>yep, it becomes delete.
14:04<amitz>info is quite complicated.
14:04<randallman>info... heh
14:04<randallman>info2html :)
14:04-!-lakin [~lakin@S01060013101832cd.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #linode
14:04<randallman>the info cli interpreter is too obfusticated
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14:05<Pryon>not if you're an emacs user
14:05<JasonF>if you're an emacs user
14:05<JasonF>i would tell you to go to hell
14:05<JasonF>but you'd enjoy it
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14:05<randallman>haha
14:05<Pryon>pfft
14:05<randallman>Pryon, Ok man I give you that :0
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14:06<randallman>but seriously - what percentage of UNIX 'folk' use emacs vs. VI?
14:06<teef>i use emacs, but hate info
14:06<randallman>vi has one serious advantage
14:06<JasonF>vim vim vim
14:06<JasonF>not vi
14:06<amitz>the content of info is sometimes different than man. When it's different, it seems to be more complicated than man.
14:06<JasonF>vim
14:06<silverblade>man pages.... MANLY
14:06<Huitzilopochtli>has anyone here gotten load balancing of web servers with LVS and ldirectord working with 3 linodes ? i have some questions.
14:07<JasonF>don't use ldirectord. use keepalived.
14:07<JasonF>it's much better
14:07<vuf>Ed is the standard text editor.
14:07<JasonF>just run 1.1.15 instead of the latest
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14:07<JasonF>I manage one of the largest keepalived installations in the world, at least that's what the dev told me :)
14:07<Huitzilopochtli>JasonF: are you saying i should run keepalived 1.1.15 ?
14:07<JasonF>yep.
14:07<Pryon>vuf: That's got to be near the top of the list of best usenet posts ever
14:08<amitz>okay then, time to test this screen thingie.
14:08<Huitzilopochtli>and has that worked with linodes? i am still convinced that there is some unknown linode router setting that is preventing me from making ldirectord work correctly
14:08<JasonF>hah. here's an idea:
14:08<JasonF>set your shell to screen
14:08<JasonF>then start screen
14:08<JasonF>will it fork bomb?
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14:11<silverblade>i wonder what kind of mental image "fork bomb" paints to non-techies
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14:11<fapestniegd>http://gist.github.com/170535
14:11<fapestniegd>^^^^ something i use
14:12<patb>just signed up to linode this morning...please forgive my noob questions...i setup the account and instaleld centOS 5.3...I am trying to install certain things and i can't seem to tar anything. i even tried yum install tar but that didn't install anything
14:12<fapestniegd>it lets me set up .screenrc.main, .screenrc.devel, ... files
14:12<fapestniegd>and then I just type "sw devel"
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14:12<fapestniegd>if it exists, it attaches, if it doesn't it creates
14:13<fapestniegd>(because I'm lazy)
14:13<patb>i get -bash: tar: command not found
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14:13<fapestniegd>patb: yum update && yum install tar
14:14<patb>tried that... no mirrors found (yum install tar)
14:14<patb>no more updates for yum update
14:15<patb>when i do an ls, i also don't find the usual bin etc usr directories
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14:15<fapestniegd>even when you "ls /" ?
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14:15<fapestniegd>you're probably in /root/ not /
14:16<fapestniegd>cd /; ls
14:16<patb>yeah ls / works
14:16<patb>cd /
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14:17<fapestniegd>and then you'll need to look in /etc/yum.conf and /etc/yum.repos.d to see what repositories you're pointed at.
14:17<silverblade>someone needs to invent a package installed called yuck
14:17<fapestniegd>also: a "yum clean all; yum update;" wouldn't hurt
14:18<@mikegrb>mmm cake
14:18<silverblade>yum cake
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14:19<fapestniegd>patb: can you p.linode.com/pastebin/gist your /etc/yum.conf and the output of "cat /etc/yum.repos.d/*"
14:19<amitz>lalala, it works well so far.
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14:21<teef>amitz: are you screen ing from a handheld
14:22<teef>amitz: or is it for persistance?
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14:24<patb>cat /etc/yum.repos.d/ is a directory
14:25<randallman>heh
14:25<randallman>oh I thought patb = path :0
14:25<randallman><< blind
14:26<patb>i installed wget mono mysql php5 apache fine...but can't get it to install tar which should be automatic
14:26*randallman is trying to get GIT compiled on RHEL5...
14:26<randallman>needs like 800 packages :)
14:26<randallman>asciidoc, perl::Error
14:26<Huitzilopochtli>i think if you can't find tar, you have some big problems
14:26<randallman>and then everything spiders out from there :)
14:27<patb>its a new install...just opened freemont 720 account this morning
14:27<fapestniegd>patb: /etc/yum.repos.d/* <----there is an asterisk here
14:27<patb>i found it wierd that wget wasn't there ither
14:27<randallman>Huitzilopochtli - why didn't you share the wonders of the WHEEL with your subjects? :P
14:28<randallman>(I've always wanted to ask a meso-american god about that...)
14:29<fapestniegd>randallman: isn't git and all it's deps in DAG/EPEL?
14:29<randallman>what is a DAG/EPEL?
14:29<fapestniegd>precompiled RPMs for CentOS/RHEL
14:29<randallman>Ahh dog weeirs
14:29<randallman>err dag
14:29<fapestniegd>http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages.php
14:29<randallman>Im not a fan of 'someone elses unsupported packages'
14:29<fapestniegd>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL
14:29<randallman>if Im going to use unsupported packages :)
14:30<randallman>Im going to use my own unsupported packages :)
14:30<fapestniegd>they're supported buy the community, and they provide source RPMS too.
14:30<randallman>Supported 'by the community' is not why I pay 600 bucks a year per server :)
14:30*randallman shrugs
14:31<fapestniegd>if you've got OCD, at least save yourself some time and use the srpms
14:31<randallman>:)
14:31<randallman>It's like 'sunfreeware.com' :)
14:31<fapestniegd>randallman: I got a secret for you. If you call redhat for "support" guess where they get the answers from
14:31<randallman>Yeah, I know :)
14:31<patb>it has sections for base, updates, addons, extras, centosplus, contrib, c5-media, mono
14:31<randallman>But it gives management a warm fuzzy ;)
14:31<patb>anything in particular
14:32<fapestniegd>mmmmm feelings
14:32<randallman>They wanna pay for the OS, that's fine with me :)
14:32<randallman>so we have over 300 RHEL4 and 5 boxes they pay for :)
14:32<randallman>I just needed GIT for my workstation :0
14:32<fapestniegd>I'm just sayin' anything RH doesn't provide, dag/epel are good for.
14:32<randallman>which, for some totally psychotic reason, I installed RHEL5 server :)
14:32<fapestniegd>yeah, you're crazy... :)
14:32<rainman`>randallman, you've just lost all right to complain about java
14:33<fapestniegd>rainman++
14:33<randallman>rainman hahah :)
14:33<randallman>Why's that? :P
14:33<rainman`>rhel5
14:33<Pryon>Is there a dominant free soft phone for windows?
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14:33<rainman`>wonderful, all kernels upgraded to safe versions
14:34<randallman>rainman, try to call oracle for support on weblogic 10.3 on NON-RHEL-based OSs
14:34<randallman>even CentOS :)
14:34<randallman>It's either OLES or RHEL :0
14:34<randallman>they sure as hell do not support debian/ubuntu :)
14:34<randallman>Same with EMC/documentum
14:34<rainman`>you use oracle? thank you for proving my point ;)
14:35<randallman>Hi rainman, we're an enterprise company using enterprise applications :)
14:35<randallman>Of course we pay for stupid software :)
14:35<randallman>And, mind you, Oracle database is pretty hot :)
14:35*rainman` notes a ';)' :)
14:35<randallman>and BEA (now oracle) Weblogic was arguably the best j2ee app server until JBoss 5
14:35<rainman`>i'm quite convinced oracle has it's purposes
14:36<randallman>But oracle DB's are rockin...
14:36<randallman>streams replication, RAC...
14:36<randallman>we use the heck outa RAC...
14:36<patb>yum.repos.d/* has sections for base, updates, addons, extras, centosplus, contrib, c5-media, mono
14:36<randallman>The closest 2nd is a 'VCS/RCS/SCS' managed active/passive postgres :)
14:36<fapestniegd>mmmmm "enterprise"
14:37<Pryon>warp 5 Mr. Sulu
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14:37<rainman`>urgh, need caffeine
14:37<randallman>Folks who use Oracle weblogic and oracle DB are a who'se who of fortune 500 :)
14:37<fapestniegd>read: COTS software we don't understand set up to "best practices" not tailored to our business model
14:37<randallman>Im not going to justify our companies choices to follow suite :)
14:38<rainman`>randallman, small companies kill themselves if they pick all the same choices as fortune 500 :)
14:38<randallman>we're not small
14:38<randallman>I work for a billion dollar company :)
14:38<randallman>with several hundred mil in revenue :0
14:38<rainman`>ah
14:38<fapestniegd>randallman: let me guess, someone non-technical mandated that software....
14:38<rainman`>i've seriously started to hate java
14:38<randallman>Actually no...
14:38<randallman>Our chief app architect who is actually sharp did :)
14:38<rainman`>i realised that i started java 7 years ago, and python 6 months ago
14:39<rainman`>and i understand the latter much better in every possible way
14:39<fapestniegd>randallman: I'd argue that based on his choices...
14:39<randallman>And our oracle ties go clear back to the late 90s
14:39<randallman>when MySQL wasnt cutting it
14:39<randallman>nor postgresql ;p
14:39<path>kill the developers!
14:39<rainman`>oracle is nice stuff, if you can get yourself a DBA
14:39*path runs off
14:39<randallman>Rainman, we haev a team of 4 DBAs
14:39<fapestniegd>until you need to roll a patch back...
14:40<rainman`>randallman, then it's quite doable
14:40<fapestniegd>"go to tape, restore from the last backup"
14:40<randallman>We use disk staging for oracle :) So no tapes involved; )
14:40*rainman` manages a 1TB mysql database that always should be faster, and has no DBA or anything resembling it
14:40<path>rollback urmom
14:40<randallman>plus we do arch log backups ;p
14:40<randallman>so we can restore to any second of any day for the last year
14:40<rainman`>did you ever do it? :>
14:40<fapestniegd>randallman: yeah, metalink zombies like that so they can "roll back" often
14:41<randallman>I hate metalink :) Especially the new flash one :)
14:41<fapestniegd>when the cut-n-paste from metalink fails
14:41<randallman>Rainman, yes, we've had to
14:41<@jed>why is it DBAs make so much money
14:41<randallman>we've had bugs cause data munging :)
14:41<randallman>Jed, good question :0
14:41<@jed>is it that hard to be a DBA? (I really wouldn't know)
14:41<randallman>No, not reall
14:41<rainman`>randallman, wrong answer, the correct one is "we do it every few weeks, to make sure it actually really really works"
14:41<randallman>Rainman, we do 1/4ly tests, sure
14:41<rainman`>:)
14:41<randallman>I thought you meant really... not a drill :)
14:42<rainman`>jed, it's a profession like any else really
14:42<rainman`>i think
14:42<@jed>I mean, my brother-in-law works with a DBA for MySQL who, fresh out of college, makes $95k at a large chipmaker
14:42<randallman>wow
14:42<@jed>$95k fresh out of 4-year is nuts
14:42<randallman>that's a nice fresh out of 4 year salary :)
14:42<@jed>yeah, it is
14:42<@jed>I leave DBA stuff to people like caker
14:42<randallman>They're still thinking 5th normal :)
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14:43<rainman`>i'd say it's a lot, but i can't really compare US to NL salary :)
14:43<randallman>95k us = $2.00 eu
14:43<randallman>;0
14:43<@jed>caker is so intimate with the linode schema, he's fun to watch when he's hacking on something
14:43<rainman`>jed, you're scaring me
14:44<path>s/ schema//
14:44<path>:)
14:44<rainman`>i am now hoping the linode office does not have webcams
14:44<randallman>Ok that's messed up
14:44<rainman`>so, when is linode coming to europe? :>
14:44<@jed>well, when I'm connected with navicat or something I always review my query a few times and take a swig of soda before pushing Execute
14:44<@jed>no matter what database I'm connected to
14:44<Yaakov>I always use plain text flat files.
14:45<Yaakov>Well... legal pads, really.
14:45<rainman`>i love mysql's --i-am-a-dummy
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14:45<randallman>DBD::File
14:45<randallman>:)
14:45<Pryon>my files are toroidal
14:45<randallman>DBD::CSV P
14:45*path is a steno pad kinda guy
14:45<rainman`>randallman, stop swearing
14:45<Yaakov>DBD::SQLite++
14:45<randallman>Oh, Im sorry, I perl'd
14:45<randallman>sheesh
14:45<rainman`>;)
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15:53<Dash>Hi - is any one there from Linode>
15:54<Karrde>!ask
15:54<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
15:54<Karrde>and also
15:54<Karrde>!ops
15:54<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
15:55<Dash>Hello ... I gave rebooted my linode and am not able to access the websites
15:55<Karrde>what websites?
15:55<Dash>I can SSH into it - but can't access thE URLs
15:55<Dash>www.uslbus.com
15:55<Karrde>restart your web server
15:56<Dash>I did
15:56<Dash>no use
15:56<Dash>ping is going fine
15:57<Karrde>well what is the error message?
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15:58<Dash>the page doesnt load
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15:58<tarpman>the web server seems to be running. but it's eating requests and not replying to them
15:58<Karrde>look at the log files
15:58<tarpman>Dash: firewall perhaps? anything strange in your outbound settings
15:58<Dash>it used to work ... I just restarted the server and its causing the issue
15:58<Karrde>look at the log files
16:00<Dash>dont see any requests in the apache log files
16:00<Dash>could be firewall things then ha?
16:00<Karrde>what about the apache error log if any? what about the system log?
16:00<Dash>oh let me check
16:01<LostNeutrino>a few things. is there a more extensive side-by-side comparison of the different service levels than that on the homepage? what are the uptime guarantees for a linode? where can the linode aup be viewed?
16:02<Dash>no mention of error logs as well
16:02<Dash>where do i check system log?
16:02<Karrde>/car/log ?
16:02<Karrde>!aup
16:02<Karrde>!tos
16:02<linbot>http://www.linode.com/tos.cfm
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16:03<LostNeutrino>great, let's take a mosey
16:03<Dash>Karrde - cna u pls help where to check?
16:03<Karrde>/var/log ?
16:03<Karrde>syslog / messages
16:03<@tasaro>LostNeutrino: comparison of service levels? service is exaclty the same between the plans except for the resources
16:04<LostNeutrino>what's the outbound connection?
16:04<@jed>LostNeutrino: fast.
16:05<@jed>I'm not trying to be coy or anything, but honestly, you'd never cap it and not pay overages within a few minutes. :)
16:07<LostNeutrino>possibly, but if i want burst transfers to be fast, it's still a reasonable question whether it's 10 100 or 1000 mbps
16:09<bliblok>1000 at least
16:10<bliblok>but your upload is capped lower by default, you'll have to put in a ticket to have it raised
16:11<LostNeutrino>capped throughput, or capped speed?
16:11<HoopyCat>fortunately, there's a safety limiter somewhere south of that to prevent a runaway somethingorother from going through your bandwidth quota in a few seconds
16:11<Karrde>17:16:46 <@ jed> 33 mbit sustained up
16:11<Karrde>17:16:55 <@ jed> http://www.speedtest.net/result/543093471.png
16:12<HoopyCat>... and it's somewhere north of 33. speedtest.net needs moar pipes
16:13<LostNeutrino>well 33 d/u seems pretty solid
16:13<Karrde>it maxes out my commercial home internet and that's all that matters
16:14<@jed>LostNeutrino: I removed my cap, and speedtest can't handle the full load
16:14<@jed>on a legal torrent I got about 145 mbit down
16:14<LostNeutrino>okay
16:15<LostNeutrino>the tos says that services such as tor are allowed, then says that usage that 'prompts the receipt of abuse complaints pertaining to violation of United States and/or international copyright law must be promptly discontinued' without comment regarding the validity of these complaints. how are the two reconciled? does linode have a specific policy on tor?
16:16<path>i thought tor was only used by pedofiles
16:16<teef>Dash: can you connect to the webserver from the same box
16:16<teef>Dash: netcat localhost 80
16:16<teef>or nc localhost 80
16:17<LostNeutrino>and journalists, leaks, whistleblowers, people in iran and china, students, researchers... &c
16:17<teef>Dash: if that doesn't respond, then type: HEAD / HTTP/1.0
16:17<teef>Dash: and then another Carriage Return
16:17<HoopyCat>LostNeutrino: i'd consider 47 USC 230(c)(1), "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider", as a possible reason why linode might not answer that question
16:18<path>well, i'm supposing if illegal stuff comes or goes to your linode IP and you do nothing to stop it, than you will have your service discontinued
16:18<path>i think that is regardless of using tor or not.
16:18<randallman>wow what a fat frakkin' hack... I actually had to compile the old-assed DB3 for nsperl to work from Sun Java System Directory Server 5.2p6 on Linux
16:18<randallman>:)
16:19<path>heh
16:19<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] rm -rf / in /dev/random <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3525>
16:19<HoopyCat>LostNeutrino: exercising editorial control over the content of you, the publisher, has been found to move otherwise-immune entities uncomfortably close to "publisher"
16:19<Karrde>I'm compiling the very latest zlib, openssl, and openssh on a Tru64 system (a Compaq ES45) :|
16:19<path>i used the dag weirs rpm :/
16:19<randallman>For db3?
16:19<path>no, for git?
16:19<randallman>It exists? :P
16:19<LostNeutrino>my point is that it is totally legal to run a tor node, as HoopyCat points out. howver doing so might prompt 'the receipt of abuse complaints pertaining to violation of United States and/or international copyright law' though these complaints would be baseless
16:19<path>i guess you moved on
16:19<randallman>I finished git :)
16:19<randallman>I'm working on setting up a demo environment and we were using SJSDS5.2 on Solaris - but I wanted to build this in VM... SO i found SJSDS binaries for Linux
16:19<randallman>but they are for RHEL2.1 :)(
16:20<LostNeutrino>HoopyCat, running a node is legal, but may prompt complaints - which would be dismissed if there were a trial - but it would prompt complaints
16:20<path>if someone downloads illegal stuff using a tor exit node you host on linode, and you do not stop that behavior. i suspect they will close your account.
16:20<path>i don't think they care what you run, as long as no take down requests are received.
16:20<@jed>LostNeutrino: pasting us the tor boilerplate response is a good way to get us annoyed, by the way
16:20<HoopyCat>LostNeutrino: if you're an exit node, i recommend having a decent budget for legal defense, no matter what the tor faq says about the police saying "oh, never mind then, have a good day"
16:21<LostNeutrino>HoopyCat, i'm not concerend about my legal defence, i'm concerned about linode ending my service.
16:21<LostNeutrino>jed, i don't follow you
16:22<@jed>LostNeutrino: a fair number of users of tor believe that pasting the tor boilerplate response verbatim (which tor supplies) is an immediate "oh, the problem goes away" button
16:22<@jed>which, in fact, it is not
16:22<@jed>look, let's talk me to you for a second
16:22<@jed>you know what tor's about.
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16:22<@jed>you know how it can be misused.
16:22<LostNeutrino>jed, you mean, in response to abuse requests?
16:22<SelfishMan>Law enforcement looks at this stuff in a very simple way
16:23<randallman>It's kinda like parking your car in a parking lot, unlocked, with a shotgun in the dashboard...
16:23<randallman>Sure, it's not necessarily illegal
16:23<@jed>tor is used for a variety of purposes, I agree -- but you are responsible for every byte of traffic leaving your linode
16:23<randallman>but damn, it's stupid :)
16:23<randallman>And it's likely someone is gonna get shot in the process :)
16:23<randallman>(with your gun, mind you)
16:23<SelfishMan>They keep following the finger pointing until it dead ends. If you can't point and say it was a specific person then you are liable for the illegal activities
16:23<path>every tor user would be a user on your system.. you are providing a service to them.
16:23<@jed>and you are responsible for their actions
16:24<LostNeutrino>is that your deduction, or linode's policy?
16:24<randallman>Personally, I think folks who setup Tor nodes are crazy :) I'd NEVER loan my house to someone who I didn't know :)
16:24<randallman>Why would I loan my server to them?
16:24<@jed>Linode does not prohibit the use of distributed, peer to peer network services such as Tor, nor does Linode routinely monitor the network communications of customer Linodes as a normal business practice. However, customers are responsible for the contents of network traffic exiting their Linode.
16:24<@jed>policy
16:25<LostNeutrino>jed, yes, i just read that, and i was hoping that a member of staff in here might be able to tell me more specifically about the policy wrt tor in particular
16:25<HoopyCat>LostNeutrino: having worked on an abuse desk, approx. 99.99% of customers generate absolutely zero abuse complaints... the 0.01% that do, even if it's something unintentional like being part of a resi windows botnet, are usually not worth the PITA. the abuse desk isn't a profit center.
16:25<HoopyCat>'tho if we sold ad space on the autoresponders... *thinks*
16:26<@jed>LostNeutrino: the policy is fairly clear. if you get an abuse complaint, you must address it.
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16:26<LostNeutrino>'address' ?
16:27<@jed>yeah, not "tee hee, someone used my tor relay to snag terminator salvation, but I don't know anything about it"
16:27<HoopyCat>(Your ticket number is [mumblenet.net #298173]. Take this to your friendly neighborhood Warrenburger tonight for a FREE combo meal with your sandwich purchase!)
16:27<path>"devote effort to something" apply oneself to, attend to, concentrate on, devote oneself to, dig, direct, engage in, focus on, give, go at, go for, hammer away, have a go at, have at, knuckle down to, peg away, pitch into, plug away at, take care of, take up, throw oneself into, try, turn, turn to, undertake
16:27<path>^ address
16:27<randallman>That reminds me
16:27<randallman>I left vuze running at home
16:27<randallman>shit
16:27<@jed>LostNeutrino: i'm not sure what you want a staff member of linode to say. we're certainly not going to tell you what you can and cannot put on your linode; as others have pointed out, that makes us a publisher
16:27<randallman>:)
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16:28<@jed>you want a green light to use Tor, and you want it from us
16:28<@jed>brother, that's not going to happen
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16:28<randallman>Holy Crap, 38:1 share ratio on (Insert aformention mentioned title here)
16:28*randallman oops
16:29<randallman>Comcast is gonna KEEEEL me
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16:29<path>heh
16:29<path>you might need to "address" the issue with them
16:29<LostNeutrino>jed, tor is a legal use that may promote allegations that it is not. this is clearly a situation that different hosts feel differently about. i wanted to know the specific way that linode feels about this
16:29<HoopyCat>randallman: i think you meant to phrase that as "so, does anyone have any recommendations for VPS providers other than linode? i want to, uhh, try something experimental"
16:30<@jed>tor is legal
16:30<@jed>but if you open your exit node, you know full well what people will use it for
16:30<randallman>Hoopy, this was at my house :)
16:30<LostNeutrino>yes, but that does not make its use any less legal, especially under us law
16:30<randallman>dont use my linode for questionable activities :)
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16:31<@jed>LostNeutrino: you're confusing criminal law with civil law
16:31<HoopyCat>randallman: my first thought was to say "that's what you have a linode for", but i redacted it ;-)
16:31<LostNeutrino>jed, no i'm not.
16:31<@jed>our terms of service (civil) dictate that you are responsible for all traffic exiting your linode
16:31<LostNeutrino>...despite specifically mentioning tor
16:31<@jed>legality or not, if we get a dozen DMCA complaints for you due to your tor node, we're going to demand (for the protection of our network) that you do something to curb their flow
16:32<@jed>and let me tell you something
16:32<@jed>close to 99% of tor exit nodes in our network have generated at least 1 DMCA complaint
16:32<path>and attorneys make money
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16:33<teef>by the minute
16:33<@jed>LostNeutrino: to answer your root question, we mention tor specifically in the ToS because there was a rash of DMCA tickets for tor, followed by the tor boilerplate, and we needed to reaffirm our position that you are responsible for every complaint received
16:33<@jed>tor just gets the honorable mention as it's the big one
16:34<Dash>MY IP address 72.14.183.218 is not responding its gailing with fck errors
16:34<@jed>we get far more tor complaints than we do bittorrent (if you can believe that)
16:34<Dash>can some one help
16:34<SelfishMan>LostNeutrino: If you are willing to deal with the possible problems then have fun
16:34<SelfishMan>personally, I don't care as long as you aren't on the same host as me
16:34<HoopyCat>Dash: pastebin what's on the console? (ssh linode12345@host123.linode.com logview, or copy/paste)
16:34<path>people also set up open squid proxies
16:34<@jed>and we ticket those too
16:35<silverblade>the linode parking wardens
16:35<silverblade>:D
16:35*tarpman pictures jed in a high-visibility vest
16:35<@pparadis>folks need to understand that when they operate a server, they're responsible for the traffic coming out of it. we're an unmanaged service, and don't routinely monitor customers' network comms, but we do enforce our TOS when problems are brought to our attention.
16:36*HoopyCat watches as jed grabs a stack of pylons from a "LINODE PARKING ENFORCEMENT CLEAN-FUEL HYBRID VEHICLE"
16:37*pparadis didn't know that H1s counted as "clean-fuel hybrid vehicles"
16:37<tarpman>HoopyCat: you require additional pylons
16:37*jed goes back to work
16:37<HoopyCat>pparadis: they are, as long as they're running on baby oil
16:37<path>made from real babies
16:37<SelfishMan>jed: Can you make sure that tor exit node doesn't end up on newark1, dallas104, fremont97, newark47 or atlanta50? I would hate to have the authorities seize a host that I'm on
16:38<path>heh
16:38<path>SelfishMan: why, you afriad of what they'll find :)
16:38<tarpman>SelfishMan: with all those hosts, surely you can afford *one* going missing
16:38*pparadis already backed up SelfishMan's stash of Pedobar "memorabilia".
16:39<SelfishMan>path: nah, I just don't want to have to explain to my customers that nothing works because the police took the host to investigate kiddie porn
16:39<SelfishMan>http://urmom.selfishman.net/furryporn/
16:39<SelfishMan>tarpman: Not a matter of being able to afford it as much as not wanting to deal with it
16:39<@pparadis>http://www.kittieporn.org/KP-index.html
16:39<tarpman>fair enough
16:41<randallman>HoopyCat: redacted :)
16:41<randallman>I seemed to NOT see the whiteout :)
16:41<randallman>or red marker :0
16:41*randallman looks for a strike-out font for IRC :)
16:43<randallman>FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUDGE
16:44<Napta>7
16:44<randallman>I just forgot to uncheck the 'Install all the spam' checkbox on my JRE1.6.0_15 update
16:44<randallman>So I guess Im getting the 'Up your butt' toolbar
16:44<randallman>and openoffice for windows
16:45<linbot>New news from wiki: IPv6 Reverse DNS <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/IPv6_Reverse_DNS> || PV-GRUB <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/PV-GRUB> || Netfilter IPTables Mini Howto <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Netfilter_IPTables_Mini_Howto> || OpenVPN <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/OpenVPN> || Backups with s3sync <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Backups_with_s3sync> || Distribution Specific Notes <http://www.linode.co
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16:49<randallman>Wrote: /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/x86_64/git-1.6.4-1.x86_64.rpm
16:49<randallman>Whee
16:49<randallman>Forgot all about that :P
16:49*randallman pokes path
16:49<path>:)
16:49<randallman>I had to build it w/o docs because it couldnt get the schemas :p
16:50<path>it was in my ubuntu repository :)
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17:33<vuf>sigh, spent quite long not finding a reliable http proxy, and then two minutes setting up my own ...
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17:44<neale>what's the latest kernel?
17:46<@tychoish>the latest what kernel?
17:46<neale>heh, sorry
17:46<@tychoish>I mean, I assume linux, but in the latest kernel for what purpose
17:46-!-Elton09743 [~Delphi@189.82.255.217] has joined #linode
17:46<neale>If I reboot my linode in 2 days, what version of the kernel is it going to come up with?
17:46<@jed>are you on Latest 2.6 series?
17:46<@tychoish>I'm sure we could find a sha1 hash for something linus committed a few minutes ago, but I don't think that's exactly what you're going for :)
17:46<neale>jed: yes
17:47<@tychoish>uname -r
17:47<@tychoish>to check
17:47<@jed>neale: 2.6.18.8-linode...
17:47<@jed>what patch was that
17:47<@tychoish>19
17:47<neale>18? really?
17:47<neale>wow.
17:47<neale>does it suffer from the rumored nasty remote exploit?
17:47<@jed>negative, that's fixed in Latest 2.6 Series
17:47<@tychoish>the 19 release patches it
17:47<@caker>neale: /topic yo :)
17:47<@jed>we offer kernels up through 2.6.30.5, by the way :)
17:48<straterra>2.6.18.8-linode16 \O/
17:48<neale>baha okay I lose
17:48<neale>we have tinyurl blocked (don't ask)
17:48<@jed>neale: say, have you guys invented antigravity yet? ;)
17:48<straterra>So..if I reboot..will linode16 come up..or will a later kernel?
17:48<neale>can someone give me the full URL?
17:48<@jed>neale: direct: http://blog.linode.com/2009/08/17/new-kernels-fixed-vulnerabilities/
17:48<neale>thanks
17:49<neale>caker: sorry for being a moran
17:49<@caker>I still love you
17:49<neale>aww
17:49<neale>you're only saying that because $EMPLOYER has 6 linodes.
17:50<randallman>Damnit that's right
17:50<randallman>I need to get you guys a PO
17:50<randallman>for another 1 year linode
17:50<randallman>I suck at my job
17:50<neale>wait, really?
17:50<randallman>s/you guys/caker
17:50<neale>heh
17:51<neale>I have no idea how many $EMPLOYER is up to, nor who has them.
17:51<randallman>my $EMPLOYER is a PITA w/r/t POs
17:51<neale>aren't they all
17:51<randallman>and refuses to use cc-ards for anything
17:51<randallman>actually no, I can go spend 120grand on something no problem
17:51<randallman>but spending 500 bucks on a linode
17:51<randallman>omgzors
17:52<randallman>We like CAP-EX
17:52<randallman>we do not like subscription
17:52<neale>randallman: they should have a 120grand/yr linode for places like us
17:52<straterra>I overspend on a lot of shit because of lack of credit card...
17:52<randallman>or headcount
17:52<neale>it doesn't have to do anything extra
17:52<neale>just cost extra
17:52<@jed>neale: can be arranged
17:52<randallman>Yeah but it's not a CAPITAL EXPENDITURE
17:52<randallman>If I could actually BUY a linode 4 life :)
17:52<straterra>You can :P
17:52<@jed>Linode 360 Government Issue (4.21% capital discount) - $119,482/mo?
17:52<@jed>how's that?
17:52<randallman>haw :0
17:53<neale>jed: that looks awesome.
17:53*jed adds to packages and upgrades neale
17:53<randallman>If we could somehow say that CSC 'owns' the linode :0
17:53<randallman>we'd depreciate it over 3 years :)
17:53<randallman>and everyone would be hunky dorey
17:53<silverblade>i was gonna go for the 1 year thing but as i was about to, two things happened... linode stopped doing extra disk space for 1 year signups, and the exchange rate went silly
17:55*randallman whistles the 'Installing Oracle Access Manager' song
17:55<randallman>heh
17:56<path>randallman: the state has stopped doing POs for everything over some insane dollar ammount
17:56<path>amount
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17:56<randallman>Really, so what do they do for that?
17:56<randallman>write a check?
17:56<path>it costs too much money to process a PO
17:56<path>CC
17:56<randallman>Under you mean?
17:56<path>no, the cost of printing a check is too much
17:56<randallman>So if it's not at least X dollars, use a CC?
17:56<path>yea
17:56<path>no
17:56<path>we bought some stuff from dell, all on a CC
17:57<path>the charge was like over 100k
17:57<path>:/
17:57<path>a PO needs to get approved by too many stake holders. a CC needs approval from one person per dept (which can be done over email)
17:58<path>so the manhour cost is less
17:58<path>and they don't need to print the PO or check or postage fees
17:58<path>this was all in the newspaper you know :)
17:59<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Ruby on Rails with Nginx on Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) <http://library.linode.com/web-frameworks/ruby-on-rails/ruby-on-rails-nginx-ubuntu-9.04>
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18:03<randallman>Yaya
18:03<randallman>Newspaper
18:03<randallman>'The News Urinal'
18:03<randallman>heh
18:03<path>they have RSS feeds
18:03<randallman>Whoopie Doo
18:03<path>yea, i don't care much for their reporting
18:03<randallman>I remember when they published '@delaware.net'
18:04<randallman>and WE owned delaware.net
18:04<path>heh
18:04<randallman>we put up a splash page with a picture of a urinal
18:04<path>:)
18:04<randallman>and did <h1>Welcome to the News Urinal</h1>
18:04<path>awesome
18:04<randallman>back in aut 6
18:04<randallman>err 1996 :)
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18:05<path>that was awhile ago
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18:10*randallman installs OHS 11g
18:10<randallman>Damnit :)_
18:11<randallman>I failed, a dialog came up and took focus and I pressed enter to cancel
18:11<BarkerJr>why would enter cancel?
18:11<BarkerJr>the installer failed
18:11<randallman>It took the focus... Go figure :)
18:12*randallman dose it again
18:12<BarkerJr>escape key cancels, enter key accepts
18:12<BarkerJr>there are standards in user interfaces
18:12<randallman>Oh you're right
18:12<randallman>'There is not enough disk space on the OUI swap area
18:13<randallman>It's a frakkin VM... /tmp isnt 20GB
18:13<@mikegrb>lolz
18:13<BarkerJr>lol
18:13*randallman fixes that
18:13<randallman>mount -o remount,size=1g /tmp :)
18:14<vuf>still not 20gb !
18:15<linbot>New news from forums: DHCP and Firewall in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4526>
18:15<BarkerJr>why do you have a seperate partition for /tmp ?
18:15<randallman>tmpfs
18:16<silverblade>hmm not so much a great idea on a vps
18:16<randallman>you think Im installing OHS on my linode? :P
18:16<randallman>that'd be the real CRIME :P
18:16<silverblade>Ah
18:16<silverblade>Sorry I kind of wandered in half way
18:16<BarkerJr>do you have it mounted with noex?
18:16<silverblade>dont want ex'es accessing the data huh
18:17<randallman>heh :)
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18:17<randallman>No, the default RHEL behavior is not to mount with no exec
18:17<BarkerJr>can you make it noex?
18:17<randallman>Never tried...
18:18<randallman>But that wouldnt work that well considering the OUI is installing crap FROM there :)
18:18<randallman>Not sure if they are execting anything from there or if it's all just archives
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18:25<vuf>are any majorly known sites running on linodes?
18:25<tarpman>linode.com imo
18:26<Yaakov>vuf: The Onion
18:26<tarpman>Yaakov: really?
18:26<Yaakov>Yes.
18:26<tarpman>cool
18:26<BarkerJr>I read once that if you make all partitions that apache can write to as noex, it's safer
18:27<Solver>up to a point
18:27<BarkerJr>i.e. people can't get phpbb to download a perl script then execute it
18:27<@mikegrb>BarkerJr: lies
18:27<Solver>but they can call a binary on another filesystem and execute it
18:27<@mikegrb>particularly in your example there
18:27<@mikegrb>the executable (perl) is on another file system
18:27<Solver>exactly
18:27<reillyeon>Yaakov: if, by hosted on Linode you mean their content is served by a CDN and their email is through Google Apps...
18:27<@mikegrb>there are other tricks for binay files as well
18:27<Yaakov>HELLO MIKE
18:28<path>Yaakov: wow, i can't believe they didn't bother to set reverse dns at least.
18:28<Solver>noexec is over-rated
18:28<silverblade>I think this is the first time ive seen mikegrb speak in here.
18:28<vuf>lolz
18:28<silverblade>the only other time was when i stalked him into another channel
18:28<@mikegrb>lolz
18:28<aaronpk>lol
18:28<path>he says stuff all the time
18:29<Yaakov>reillyeon: I mean, their webserver is running on a Linode.
18:30<Solver>yes I hear him speak
18:30<Solver>for various definitions of 'hear'
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18:31<vuf>noexec is overrated ... how about limiting apache users with iptables, do you guys do that?
18:32<Solver>limited individual users?
18:32<Solver>netfilter will do that but I don't do it
18:32<Solver>I've always thought of it being for system users though
18:34<vuf>if an account gets hacked, it might be good that it had limited connectivity ... I don't know
18:35<Solver>yes containing an intrusion is a good idea
18:35<Solver>I'll look in to it
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18:36<randallman>barker, is a perl script really 'executable'? Only if you shebang it? Otherwise it's /usr/bin/perl $SCRIPT.
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18:36<randallman>The reality is, if you have local users - they can probably own you :)
18:36<Solver>it's a sad reality :)
18:36<randallman>How many local exploits get released per month?
18:36<Solver>a lot
18:36<randallman>and how many of those are 0 day? NONE
18:36<Solver>:)
18:37<Solver>there are 0day local root exploits
18:37<randallman>That's what I'm saying - and it takes days or weeks to get patches for them
18:37<Solver>right
18:38<randallman>and lord knows how many people wait until thier 1/4ly or yearly patch cycles... or thier 'we dont patch' patch paradigm :)
18:38<Solver>no mainstream OS is very secure today
18:38<randallman>Gotta love the 'We patch by attrition' folks :)
18:38<randallman>s/mainstream OS/system/g :P
18:38<Solver>:)
18:39<Solver>randallman: it continues to amaze me how casual many peopel are with security
18:40<Solver>oh well
18:40<Solver>:)
18:40<randallman>It continues to amaze me about how people posture that they are 'secure'
18:40<randallman>with PCI compliance
18:40<randallman>and IPS devices
18:40<randallman>host-based IDS
18:40<randallman>etc..
18:40<randallman>all it takes is a pwn't windows box and it's all over :)
18:40<randallman>the .mil has it right - the only way to win the game is... not to play at all (Err... that was wargames)
18:40<Solver>haha
18:40<randallman>the .mil has it right, the red cables are for secret, the black for NIPR
18:41-!-Netsplit joule.oftc.net <-> kilo.oftc.net quits: sc0field
18:41*Solver has friends who work in signals intelligence
18:41<Solver>they do interesting stuff with isolation
18:41<Solver>some info is declassified so they can talk about it
18:41<Solver>but only some :)
18:41<randallman>Sure it's old hat that you can screen-log via EM emissions :)
18:41<Solver>hell yeah
18:41<Solver>:)
18:41<randallman>But Im sure there's tons of totally scarry shit
18:41<Solver>faraday cages rock! :)
18:41<vuf>now you make me want to put back my php chroot
18:42<Solver>haha
18:42<randallman>did you say PHP in a conversation regarding security? :P
18:42<randallman>Im going home :)
18:42<Solver>hahaha :)
18:42<randallman>( I know, dont blame thje language, blame the author )
18:42<Solver>there may be plenty of blame to go around :)
18:43<Solver>ok I'm going out to the park with my daughter :)
18:43*vuf thought it was a conversation on being owned
18:44<vuf>anyway, chroot was too much trouble
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19:05<teef>php is fine, it's the people who call themselves programmers who are the problem
19:05<supine>Huitzilopochtli: did you get any further with your LB issue?
19:07<Huitzilopochtli>supine: nope. i suspect there is some weird routing blocking issue. someone in here suggested i give up and use keepalived instead.
19:07<supine>Huitzilopochtli: but both of them manipulate ip_vs, so if one isn't working i doubt the other will
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19:15<linbot>New news from forums: memory issues in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4277>
19:20<Huitzilopochtli>supine: true. i dunno whats wrong. i spent a lot of hours on it, im sad.
19:21<Huitzilopochtli>i found vague references in #linode chatlogs about someone getting load balancing working in linode, dunno if i believe them
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19:28<Huitzilopochtli>supine: are you aware of anyone using a linode for LVS load balancing? just tell me what distro works, i'll use it !
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19:29<supine>Huitzilopochtli: not off the top of my head. i've discussed it with other people before in here and they have reported success. all my experience with it is non-Linode.
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19:36<straterra>BTW..a litle cost saving tip..if you go to mcdonalds, they can put the bicmac sauce on any sandwhich for free
19:36<straterra>double cheese burgers have the same kind of meat..get a double cheese with macsauce for like $1.08 :)
19:37<aaronpk>or you could not go to mcdonalds
19:37<aaronpk>and save $1.08
19:37<straterra>You could not live..and never spend money
19:37<straterra>BRILLIANT
19:37<aaronpk>mcdonalds isn't living
19:37<supine>it's dying very slowly... arteries clogging... cholesterol rising...
19:38<straterra>Bah..food besides mcdonalds does that too
19:38<tarpman>supine: you're making me hungry
19:38<Pryon>I can't remember which restaurant this was supposed to be supplying, but this is Kibo's rendering of it: http://www.kibo.com/exegesis/animal57.gif
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19:42<aaronpk>http://t.aaronpk.net/post/166866291/linode
19:42<astronut>what timezone do people usually put their linodes in?
19:42<aaronpk>astronut: the time zone i live in
19:42<straterra>I put mine in...well..mine
19:43<Pryon>ditto
19:43<straterra>EDT
19:43<aaronpk>even if the linode is in EDT, i'll put it in PDT
19:43<bob2>home timezone
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19:43<astronut>i'mbetween my local and UTC
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19:44<bob2>local lets you be lazier
19:44<bob2>which, ultimately, is a sysadmin's ultimate goal
19:47<HoopyCat>i moved to UTC for my linodes, but with TZ= in my login script
19:47<HoopyCat>Wed Aug 19 19:47:20 EDT 2009
19:47<HoopyCat>... but the logs? UTC :-)
19:47<astronut>haha
19:47<bd_>and more importantly, cron in UTC :)
19:48<astronut>ended up just going to EDT
19:48<bob2>clever
19:48<bd_>no problems with daily jobs not running because they happened to lie on the DST-switchover hour
19:48<Erik>all my cron stuff runs at 4am EST/EDT
19:48<bob2>have to move cron.daily then
19:49<aaronpk>but the switchover hour is 2am, that shouldn't interfere with midnight tasks
19:50<Erik>ive actually taken to moving some cron jobs to 11am
19:50<Erik>so i dont have to get up at 4am to fix things
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19:50<BarkerJr>I run my servers at UTC so people don't know where they're located :)
19:51<bd_>BarkerJr: Run them at a randomly selected offset then ;)
19:51<BarkerJr>and my cron daily at 7am
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19:51<BarkerJr>I figure 7am utc is 11pm pst
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19:52<Erik>run them in +7
19:52<Erik>claim your server is in siberia
19:52<BarkerJr>so assuming most of my users are pst to cet, then 7am should be the quietest for both
19:53<straterra>"You can search my car if you want" "Ok..step out"
19:53<straterra>morons
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19:57<BarkerJr>I'm a Senior Newbie :)
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20:14<digitaljhelms>debian's default mta of choice has always been exim, but i have no mta installed on a debian linode i just brought up; no exim, postfix, sendmail, ssmtp, nullmailer, nothing... am i missing something?
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20:15<bob2>no
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20:20<digitaljhelms>haha, awesome response
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20:20<digitaljhelms>i guess that was the answer to the question i asked...
20:20<digitaljhelms>how about, why is there no default mta on the debian linode distro
20:21<bob2>it's a very stripped down image
20:21<bd_>The MTA is installed by default from a CD install or pulled in when you install a package that uses a MTA
20:21-!-|Kyhwana| [kvirc@2001:4428:20d::4] has joined #linode
20:21<supine>and you can install whichever you prefer without having to uninstall anything
20:21<bd_>However linode images are truly _minimal_
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20:23<digitaljhelms>i knew them to be minimal, but i sware i've had at least _some_ mta installed on the half dozen linodes i've set up...? guess i'm smoking crack today...
20:25<digitaljhelms>well, on that note, this particular cluster of linodes i'm setting up needs an outbound only mta for cron and other apps to report with; i was going to go with exim because i thought it was installed by default, but having a choice now, what is suggested? this cluster will be three linodes, 2 relaying mail to 1 primary nullclient mta that is outbound only.
20:27<bob2>postfix is super easy to configure
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20:28<bob2>but if you've used exim in the past, that's probably reason enough to stick with it
20:28<CyZooNiC>Is there a Linode email list I can signup for so I get things like the latest blog post regarding the kernel vulnerabilities?
20:29<bob2>I guess you could use feedburner to subscribe to the blog thing
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20:30<bd_>digitaljhelms: cron will pull in a MTA
20:30<bd_>which will be exim unless you tell APT to pull in something else
20:30<CyZooNiC>Seems like a very important update that should probably go out via email also
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20:31<digitaljhelms>bd_: ahhhhh, that's why I thought exim was in the default debian linode distro, i just blow through to the app setup and cron tasks and the mta makes it onto the box with magic...
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20:39<CyZooNiC>Are there any official "power by linode" icons or images?
20:39-!-Turl [~emilio@host56.190-224-58.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:40<bob2>http://www.linode.com/images/pr/
20:41<CyZooNiC>thnks
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20:45<Mathew>Hey guys, I got scalded on serverfault for restricting 1 way to access my linode. The point was, if my internet went down I'm screwed as I can't access anything
20:45<Mathew>How can I make sure I have multiple ways to access my linode?
20:45-!-tronix [~dsf@cpe-74-74-140-243.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #linode
20:45<tronix>the intarwebz doesn't seem to like the host my Linode is on. :) ~60% packet loss for final hop according to mtr
20:45<aaronpk>Mathew: get a redundant internet connection to your house?
20:45<supine>that in fremont?
20:45<tronix>DDoS attack against someone else on the host? (fremont18.linode.com)
20:45<tronix>yup
20:45<supine>we're also seeing same, fremont but different host
20:45<Palintheus>yeah I'm having loss on fremont99
20:45<tronix>ok, good info, thanks.
20:45<Mathew>aaronpk, no
20:45<tronix>probably some idiot DDoS'ing somebody in fremont. I see that once a year or two
20:46<tronix>won't open a ticket -- i'm sure the staff are aware
20:46<tronix>and does look like improving now
20:46<bd_>!mtr-newark fremont100.linode.com
20:46<linbot>bd_: [mtr] fremont100.linode.com: 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 81.4ms
20:46<Palintheus>yeah mine is back to normal
20:46<bd_>!mtr-newark fremont99.linode.com
20:46<linbot>bd_: [mtr] fremont99.linode.com: 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 81.6ms
20:46<tronix>0% for me now -- sweet
20:46<@jed>we are aware of the issues in fremont
20:46<Palintheus>jed: <3
20:47<@jed>all our alarms literally just went off :)
20:47*tronix 2nds
20:47<tronix>hahaha
20:47<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: atlanta12 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4527>
20:47<tronix>mmm das blinkenlichten
20:47<aaronpk>oh so that's what's going on. i assumed it was my comcast connection.
20:47<supine>jed: do you have a proper klaxon?
20:48<tronix>aaronpk: it was easy to see this was in fremont if you do 'mtr <your linode>' from whereever you are and see the packet loss was only on the final hop
20:48<Mathew>"warning warning, danger danger, attack in progress" in a movie trailer voice of course
20:49<supine>Mathew: i was thinking something along the lines of the siren on the Ghostbuster-mobile
20:49<tronix>whoo, load up the proton packs and the ecto-mobile
20:53<teef>anyone here toy with microelectronics?
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20:54<aaronpk>teef: a bit, i'm not very good
20:55<teef>aaronpk: :) I'm looking for a 6 led driver, if possible with patterning
20:57<aaronpk>i've only used the max 7221 i think it was. 8 leds iirc?
20:57<teef>aaronpk: oooh, let me google that
20:57<teef>aaronpk: 8 would be even better
20:58<aaronpk>http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Main/MAX72XXHardware
21:00<teef>aaronpk: is there a sheet anywhere?
21:00<aaronpk>don't nkow, you should be able to find it with the googles
21:01<teef>aaronpk: thanks, that's a great start.
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21:08<amitz>hail to the all powerful "screen"!
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21:16<straterra>uh oh..freenode fail
21:16<straterra>HoopyCat: verify?
21:16<HoopyCat>jed: after the parking-ticket conversation this afternoon, i got into our E10-fueled hybrid vehicle and was distressingly amused to see a traffic cone in the back seat
21:16<HoopyCat>straterra: i am alive and well
21:16<straterra>orly
21:17<HoopyCat>straterra: totally fine
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21:20<Maine>Any techs on? dallas64 is getting bad disk latency once again.
21:21<Maine>I know its not me, my iorate avg and last is < 90
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21:30<amitz>teef: it's for persistence. Sometimes I just kill an IRC session thus missing some unread lines.
21:31<amitz>but now that I think about it, closing xterm running screen won't kill my IRC session, yay!
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21:33<amitz>ooh, nice. lastlinelog also put a line when I scroll back and channel messages are added.
21:34<amitz>a well designed terminal GUI I must say.
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21:35<straterra>Whats the name of mwallings quote site?
21:36<Nivex>noobfarm.org ?
21:36<straterra>thats doms
21:36<Nivex>oh
21:37<@mikegrb>sorry, i was hungry and ate that linode
21:37*mikegrb burps
21:38*checkers feeds mikegrb cake
21:39<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:39<Pryon>I don't like mikegrb cake. It's too...tasty.
21:40<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:40<@pparadis>i put some cake on a certain sensitive region of my body. along came mikegrb, and...
21:40<Pryon>hahahaha
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21:47<HoopyCat>straterra: morans.dontlike.us
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21:49<SelfishMan>!urmom mwalling
21:49<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so unpleasant she makes mwalling look like Miss Congeniality. (822:8/0) [rmmuo]
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22:28<linbot>New news from forums: What do you use your Linode for? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2967>
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22:33*Kerem is now away: gone
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22:42<Smark>anyone recommend a good webmail system? Squirrelmail gets the job done, but preferably I'd like something with more interface customizability. I'm not superficial, but clients can be.
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22:53<astronut>microsoft's eventual downfall: an attempt at a paradigm shift without a clutch....
22:57<encode>Smark: there are others around, but the most common alternative is also riddled with security flaws
22:57<@jed>Smark: I've heard hooray atmail
22:57<@jed>I've also heard boo atmail
22:57<@pparadis>astronut: anyone who utters the term "paradigm shift" is doomed to die an untimely death by fire within 30 days.
22:58<@pparadis>true statement.
22:58<@jed>"paradigm shift without a clutch" sounds familiar
22:58<@jed>far side?
22:58<@pparadis>larson FTW
22:58<@jed>dilbert.
22:58<@jed>thought so.
22:59<@pparadis>yes, dilbert.,
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23:01<@caker>Smark: http://www.horde.org/webmail/ <-- insane
23:05<astronut>jed: very good
23:06*astronut still has to set up squirrelmail but waiting to move over SSL cert and such
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23:21<Smark>if my mail server (and rDNS) is setup as mail.spectralcoding.com is it OK for there to be an A record for mail also?
23:22<Smark>already is one, nevermind
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23:24<orudie>how can i find out what cigarettes cost is per state in the U.S. ?
23:26<@caker>orudie: http://tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/
23:27<X-LP>lmao
23:27<@caker>http://tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0099.pdf <-- seems fairly accurate/recent
23:27<orudie>thanks looking at it now
23:28<@caker>In other news: I quit smoking 10 months, 3 weeks, 6 days, 7 hours, 28 minutes, and 21 seconds ago. I would have smoked 5,303 cigarettes. (That's like smoking a 0.25 mile-long cigarette) I've saved $1,590.90! I've avoided 63 grams of tar, 5 grams of nicotine, and 63 grams of carbon monoxide.
23:28<MJCS>fuck $1600
23:29<MJCS>thats a nice new gaming computer
23:29<teef>Smark check your webserver logs for clues on which webmails not to install...
23:29<@caker>teef: heh
23:29<aaronpk>*ahem* roundcube
23:29<teef>:)
23:29<teef>much though I like it
23:29<MJCS>my gaming network has had squirl mail for almost a decade
23:30<SelfishMan>just don't install it in /webmail, /roundmail, /roundcube or in the root
23:30<MJCS>true
23:30<SelfishMan>if you are actually willing to install it at all
23:30<teef>or /rc
23:30<MJCS>comeup wit a unique name
23:30<teef>or /mail
23:30<SelfishMan>I see regular attacks for roundcube and horde
23:30<teef>but they'll find it eventually, especially if you have a link
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23:32<teef>from recent logs: /mail2 /webmail2 /wm /round /cube /roundcube-0.2 /
23:33<User23423>yoyoyoyo
23:34<teef>Anyone know the iphone exploit they're looking for?
23:35<abysed>ns1/2.linode.com for nameservers iirc?
23:36<TofuMatt>ns1-4.linode.com, yeah
23:38<abysed>ty ;-)
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23:41<encode>you could add apache basic auth to the directory. That should prevent random people from accessing the (potentially vulnerable) URLs
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23:51<amitz>the novelty of using irssi has worn out..
23:51<Harry_Mudd>weechat ftw
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23:52<amitz>Harry_Mudd: what? peechat?
23:52<Harry_Mudd>nyuk nyuk
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23:54<jroen>Hi ppl, I forgot where on the linode website I saw it but what location offers the lowest latency for Asia Pacific?
23:54<SelfishMan>!download
23:54<linbot>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636
23:54*amitz and his novelty seeking behavior..
23:54<jroen>Ah nevermind, found it: http://library.linode.com/getting-started/
23:55<amitz>I'll get into trouble because of it one of these days..
23:55<straterra>Another long night of work
23:55<amitz>jroen: usually freemont but you can test it yourself from link above.
23:56<jroen>yeah, trying it out right now, thanks. Altho Fremont is sold out
23:56<amitz>straterra: any sign of end anytime near?
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23:57<amitz>s/end/the end/
23:58<jroen>any word on when there will be new vps'es available in fremont? I know I can migrate afterwards but need to set it up and manage it from Asia so when doing that I'd like to have the 'fastest' ;)
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23:59<straterra>amitz: not yet
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