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---Logopened Thu Aug 20 00:00:01 2009
00:00<SelfishMan>!avail-he
00:00<linbot>SelfishMan: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0, Fremont5760 - 0
00:00<SelfishMan>!avail-14400
00:00<linbot>SelfishMan: Availability (14400): Atlanta - 2; Dallas - 1; Fremont - 0; Newark - 3; (0.61469) urmom says hi
00:00<SelfishMan>wow, they are out
00:00<X-LP>\o/
00:00<jroen>yeah, that's why I asked ;)
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00:07<amitz>I should probably buy a 14,400 and split it using chroot? if it's doable :-p.. profit!
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00:09<checkers>if you made a profit, you'd have to sell it for more than linode would, so who would buy from you?
00:09<aaronpk>people who want a managed service
00:10<straterra>I make money on my linode o.O
00:10*aaronpk does too
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00:11<amitz>checkers: people who can't wait for an empty freemont :-p
00:11<amitz>buy the 14,400 in freemont. The size should justify a new server.
00:12<jroen>how many regular websites can you run on a 360 linode? I am looking for a more reliable way to host some of my clients instead of on a shared reseller hosting account
00:12<straterra>Depends..
00:12<straterra>Do you need php? mysql?
00:13<jroen>yes
00:13<straterra>how many hits per day?
00:13<straterra>etc
00:13<jroen>and mailservice
00:13<jroen>I figured mail would need the most of the slice
00:13<straterra>node
00:13<straterra>And I bet you'll hit swap with just those two roles
00:14<jroen>so, no go?
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00:14<jroen>Not that many, in total 400 hits a day all websites together, these are corp websites that are just their 'presence on the web' altho they use email a lot
00:14<checkers>360 is fine then
00:15<checkers>400 hits is less than one a minute
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00:15<jroen>yes.
00:15<jroen>:)
00:15<jroen>ok thanks
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00:15<jroen>then I will just go with a slice somewhere in the other 3 and wait for Fremont to become availabke
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00:16<straterra>node
00:16<jroen>o yeah sorry :D
00:17<amitz>I wonder if some people in #slicehost mention node instead of slice? :-)
00:17<@jed>git experts:
00:17<@jed>I have a commit ID
00:17<@jed>how do I see the commit after it in the log
00:18<@jed>like, c47c1b1f3a9d6973108020df1dcab7604f7774dd^ gives me the one before
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00:25<megatron27>but the word slice is so much sexier
00:25<aaronpk>if you're in to that sort of thing
00:28<amitz>the word node is sexier for another half of population.
00:28<jroen>"piece" works best for me and is universal
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00:29<teef>jed: not sure if there's a direct way, but you could: git log --oneline |& less
00:30<teef>sorry you'll need git log --format=oneline |& less
00:30<@jed>basically I'm looking at http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=9049a11de73d3ecc623f1903100d099f82ede56c
00:30<@jed>which is a merge of 175 commits to mainline
00:30<@jed>I need to bisect zee whole thing
00:31<teef>throw a --children in there?
00:31<@jed>but, annoyingly, the log message snips the 175 commits
00:32<@jed>didn't like it
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00:35<@jed>http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#bisect-merges
00:35*jed reads with gloom in his eyes
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00:36<mohney>anyone here ever do an template override for joomla (shot in the dark obviously)
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00:41<straterra>why...am i still up
00:41<Smark>is Horde buggy?
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00:42<straterra>eh?
00:42<Smark>Horde webmail
00:42<Smark>is it secure and bug free (for the most part)?
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00:43<groulder>google apps for domains
00:43<groulder>use it.
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00:44<aaronpk>agreed
00:45<Smark>do they store my mail?
00:46<aaronpk>you basically hand everything over to them and it just works
00:46<Smark>do they store my mail though?
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00:46<aaronpk>yes. but clients can still access it via pop/imap
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00:49<amitz>Smark: you can have them copy all your mail to a designated address. You give up on dealing with yahoo hostility towards your email?
00:49<amitz>them = google apps.
00:49<straterra>Google apps is pretty damn good
00:50<amitz>straterra: althought it won't make you feel like a true sysadmin :-p
00:50<straterra>meh
00:50<straterra>It saves a lot of hassle
00:50<aaronpk>exactly. meh. there are other sysadmin things i could be doing
00:51<straterra>I need something to help me stay awake :/
00:51<Smark>no, im not worried about the yahoo crap
00:51<straterra>this transfer is only 64% done
00:51<aaronpk>straterra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIBQO6zrOjY
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00:56<Smark>now with google apps for domains, as far as creating additional emails, managing redirects, how hard is it?
00:56<amitz>straterra: you're manning a transfer? maybe you can set the PC to yell fire if it's done?
00:56<aaronpk>pretty simple web interface. i think they also have a way to upload a CSV if you have a bunch of users to import
00:57<amitz>Smark: very easy, although the options may be a bit non-obvious. Just scan the options through.
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00:58<Smark>is it possible to play around with google apps without changing my existing mail server?
00:58<amitz>Smark: possible.
00:58<aaronpk>you can make your account and set everything up before actually changing your MX records
00:58<straterra>amitz: Not easily :/
00:59<Smark>is it free?
00:59<aaronpk>straterra: not true, it's pretty easy
00:59<straterra>eh?
00:59<amitz>free up to 50 users
00:59<aaronpk>they even give you fake email addresses you can use to send mail to your accounts before the MX records are set
00:59<Smark>well, im going to be having more than 50 users =S
00:59<Kerem>google creates a test address before you verify your domain
00:59<Smark>that 50 per domain or what?
00:59<aaronpk>fake meaning something like user.yourdomain.com@googleapps.com
01:00<amitz>you can have more than 50 emails per domain. But no more than 50 logins. 50 per domain.
01:00<amitz>I think.
01:00<straterra>I think they upped it to 200
01:00<straterra>My free account says 200 o.O
01:00<straterra>and I can request more without paying
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01:01<Kerem>Hmm "You can create up to 50 user accounts for this domain. If you would like more users, please purchase Google Apps Premier Edition."
01:01<Kerem>:s
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01:05<straterra>Can any of you read regex?
01:05<aaronpk>possibly
01:05<booja>nobody can read regex, regex reads you
01:06<straterra> ^.*\/*httpd
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01:06<straterra>That's that mean? o.O
01:06<supine>straterra: context?
01:06<aaronpk>it's looking for "httpd" with 0 or more slashes before it
01:07<straterra>aaronpk: thank you
01:07<aaronpk>but yes, context?
01:07<straterra>Process check in Zenoss
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01:08<supine>so anyone can run a binary called httpd no matter where it's located
01:09<straterra>thats fine
01:13<Smark>can you create an alias without a new user on google apps?
01:13<bob2>yes, of course
01:14<Smark>i cant find it
01:14<aaronpk>yea, they call it groups now
01:14<bob2>otherwise it would be a "new user" rather than "an alias"
01:14<aaronpk>used to be lists
01:14<bob2>go to the user
01:14<bob2>add a nickname
01:14<aaronpk>ohh yea
01:14<aaronpk>good call
01:14<Smark>ah, ok, thanks
01:14<teef>jed: you still there? I think I've got some commits for you
01:15<Smark>i can't make an alias for "postmaster"?
01:16<bob2>you can make a group for postmaster
01:16<bob2>since google will always receive your postmaster and abuse@ emails, too
01:16<Smark>Username is reserved for email list only Cancel
01:16<Smark>when i try it
01:16<Smark>oh
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01:17<wastrel>i just noticed that my monthly transfer is at 102%
01:17<Smark>i may look into this farther then, sounds very promising
01:17<Smark>wastrel, if you don't use anymore you're probably fine, but seeing as how you've got 11 days left...
01:17<bob2>assuming you're ok with skynet having all your email
01:17<SelfishMan>!skynet Can you read my email?
01:17<linbot>SelfishMan: Sorry, I don't know anything about that
01:17<SelfishMan>YOU LIE!
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01:17<Smark>i know bob2, im looking to play around with it though
01:19<freireag>hey guys..i setted up my server one day ago and my apache process is growing more than a 100mb in one hour or less
01:19<bob2>let me guess
01:19<bob2>php
01:20<freireag>im looking to 300 used memory, and when i restart apache i see 190..
01:20<freireag>yeah, its just php right now
01:20<bob2>that doesn't matter, really
01:21*amitz wonders how people with VPS less than 360MB manage with PHP..
01:21<wastrel>bytecode cache
01:22<freireag>anybody knows what is happenning? i didnt tune my apache..nor php
01:22<amitz>I guess plenty of cache and lots of tuning.
01:22<freireag>just basic stuff, like timeouts and so
01:22<amitz>freireag: there your answer. Tune.
01:22<amitz>the keepalive seems like a popular tune here.
01:23<amitz>woah, I just realized. New IRC client = new mindset when IRC-ing.
01:23<freireag>i guess my keepalive is in 3 secs
01:23<nb>amitz, low traffic makes it not require as much
01:23<wastrel>amitz totally
01:24<amitz>nb: oh, didn't see about freireag's traffic.
01:24<nb>amitz, I DIDNT SEE EITHER
01:24<nb>oops sorry for caps
01:25<nb>i should go to sleep
01:25*nb is hitting keys without knowing it :)
01:25<amitz>what's with irssi <[space]nickname>
01:25<amitz>nb: oh, np :-)
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01:33<Smark>with google apps is it possible to just redirect emails elsewhere? say joe@mydomain.com to joe@yahoo.com?
01:35<Kerem>yep
01:42<Smark>without having to log into their account? I know I can do it from there.
01:42<@jed>teef: here now
01:42<@jed>it became moot, I was able to find a bisect point
01:44<amitz>jed: nice. The only time I use git is for specific purpose with a very detailed step by step rule.
01:44<amitz>s/is/was
01:44<amitz>seems powerful yet having steep learning curve.
01:45<amitz>s/rule/operations/
01:45<@jed>bisect is the nizzle my bizzle
01:45<@jed>the problem is finding the left and right side of said bisect
01:45<@jed>I just spent all day bisecting v2.6.29..v2.6.30, only to find that the responsible commit was a merge commit
01:46<@jed>so now I have to bisect the merge
01:46<@jed>luckily I picked a good spot near the end, and it was good, so I have a relatively short left side
01:48<amitz>are you trying to find a particular patch having certain behavior?
01:49<amitz>the step-by-step guide I used is created for that purposes. But there is no mentioning of merge commit.
01:49<@jed>no, there was a bug introduced between 2.6.29 and 2.6.30
01:49<amitz>s/is/was/ . I wish English evolves such that tenses die.
01:49<@jed>In Certain Circumstances, of course
01:50<@jed>i can reproduce but upstream cannot, so for Ease Of Fixupping I'm bisecting to the very commit that broke stuff
01:50<amitz>jed: I basically used the git to find a patch that break regression testing, which is what you're doing right, I think.
01:50<@jed>sort of, I'm using bisect
01:52<amitz>let me search the guide, it may helps, hopefully.
01:53<amitz>wiki.winehq.org/RegressionTesting . It uses bisect.
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02:23<beginner22>Hi
02:26<beginner22>Beginner linode user here. I installed PHP according to the instructions in the library. It went on successfully but fetching a php page on my linode results only in downloading the file, not executing it. What am I doing wrong?
02:26<bob2>need to mention a) what OS, b) what page you actually followed
02:26<beginner22>example: http://97.107.138.157/tests/helloworld.php
02:26<beginner22>ok, hold on
02:27<beginner22>ubunto hardy 64
02:27<bob2>ubuntu
02:27<beginner22>looking for the page, hold on
02:27<beginner22>yes
02:27<beginner22>typo
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02:27<bob2>and don't use the amd64 versions unless you have a specific need or a linode 8192
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02:28<beginner22>document = http://library.linode.com/web-servers/apache/installing-apache-ubuntu-hardy.html
02:28<beginner22>ok bob2, so which version should i use?
02:29<bob2>run 'dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5 | tail -n1', paste the (one line of) output here
02:29<bob2>the i386 one
02:29<bob2>I think you forgot to run the :"apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php-pear php5-suhosin php5-xcache
02:29<bob2>" line
02:29<beginner22>noà
02:29<beginner22>i did it
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02:29<beginner22>but let me do it again
02:29<beginner22>just in case
02:31<beginner22>ran it again and got this: "php5 is already the newest version.
02:31<beginner22>" any idea?
02:31<bob2>16:29:02 < bob2> run 'dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5 | tail -n1', paste the (one line of) output here
02:31<beginner22>k
02:31<beginner22>ii libapache2-mod-php5 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.6 server-side, H TML-embedded scripting language (apache 2 module)
02:32<bob2>sudo a2enmod php5
02:32<bob2>then sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 restart
02:33<bob2>then try accessing the site again
02:33<beginner22>k
02:33<beginner22>brb
02:36<beginner22>thanks bob2, it seems to be working :-)
02:36<beginner22>so what does the sudo a2enmod do exactly?
02:36<bob2>enable the php5 module
02:36<amitz>apache2 enable module.
02:36<bob2>which basically means symlinking .load file from /etc/apache2/mods-available to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
02:41<beginner22>ok
02:41<beginner22>thanks a lot
02:42<beginner22>i wonder if they should update that library file with ur recommendations
02:46<bob2>yeah
02:47<beginner22>i just did apt-get install curl, still, when running a script that uses php curl functions, I get; "Fatal error: Call to undefined function curl_init() in /var/www/tests/s-meter.php on line 147"
02:47<beginner22>any idea?
02:48<bob2>php5-curl
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02:48<bob2>curl is a command line utility
02:48<beginner22>oh
02:48<beginner22>ok, ty
02:50<beginner22>it seemed to work for php5-curl, but still getting the error
02:51<bob2>restart apache
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02:51<bob2>what php thing are you trying to set up?
02:54<beginner22>its a script that already runs fine on other servers, just making tests for now... learning
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05:24<amitz>yay, fun time!
05:25<amitz>straterra: still waiting?
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05:45<straterra>amitz: yes
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06:28<msmiffy>Can someone tell me where to find my referal code?
06:29<msmiffy>Ach, forget that. It was under profile, not account.
06:29<bob2>https://www.linode.com/members/profile/
06:30<msmiffy>bob2 - yup, thanks.
06:32<megatron27>tired
06:32<megatron27>bob2: was I talking to you in #python just now?
06:33<bob2>maybe!
06:33<megatron27>you rock!
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06:34<megatron27>I'm formalizing my understanding of Python so that I can give a course on it, bob2
06:35<megatron27>in other words, I'm turning into a language lawyer.
06:35<bob2>haha
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06:49<amitz>straterra: still... waiting?
06:50*amitz is reminded to "are we there yet?".
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06:54<Yaakov>s3hub++
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07:11<amitz>I must say of all channel I've been to, #math is the most intimidating of all.
07:11<amitz>s/channel/channels/
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07:31<hedac>hello
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07:32<amitz>hola
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07:33<hedac>my linode is OOMing
07:36<amitz>who eat your RAM the most?
07:37<hedac>can someone help me? I've just entered in Lish...
07:37<hedac>it says... Out of memory: Kill process 7691 ( apache2)
07:37<LadyNikon>sounds web related
07:38<hedac>lish doesn't seem to respond...
07:38<hedac>can't enter any command
07:38<LadyNikon>ouch
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07:40<HoopyCat>hedac: if you're running apache and PHP, the default configuration assumes you have an infinite amount of memory. see http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Slashdot_My_Linode#MPM for some tips on tuning that. (to start with, MaxClients around 10 and Keepalive 0 is probably a safe bet, and you can work MaxClients up from there)
07:41<hedac>entering in linode... says... Server refused our key
07:41<hedac>in lish I mean
07:42<hedac>thanks for that I'll check it
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07:44<hedac>this is frustrating... 350-400 % cpu usage... no network usage... halted... Disk IO rate 25K.... this is in the dashboard graphs....
07:44<hedac>will have to reboot... last time it corrupted some mysql tables....
07:45<HoopyCat>hedac: 400% means your kernel has died, and huge disk IO spike usually means you've gone swap-thrashing. use less RAM, or buy more RAM, and your availability will improve.
07:46<hedac>maybe I should upgrade the kernel too.. reading the last linode blog.. there are some updates to kernels
07:48<HoopyCat>if you're set for Latest 2.6, you're all set and will pick up the new kernel on the reboot you're about to do
07:48<HoopyCat>(always look at the bright side ;-)
07:48<hedac>second try to log in lish seems responding better.... but nothing... it's strange
07:49<hedac>yes... I always try to look at the bright side... heh
07:49<hedac>I think it is on latest 2.6.. probably...
07:50<HoopyCat>log in and try to kill apache as quickly as possible. that'll probably give you room to work :-)
07:50<hedac>problem is that I can't log in...
07:50<hedac>lish keep writting thins on the screen but doesn't allow me to enter commands...
07:50<HoopyCat>what sort of things?
07:50<@mikegrb>lolz
07:50<hedac>it's writing out of memory.. all the time.. lol
07:51<HoopyCat>immediately after a reboot? oof. hmm. might need to go for single user mode. (dashboard -> edit your config profile -> i think it's a radio button in there somewhere)
07:51<hedac>no,.. I'm rebooting now... and everytinh will be back to normal... I hope.
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07:52<HoopyCat>ah good
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07:53<HoopyCat>the oomkilla is like a blind squirrel, and the nuts keep movin'
07:53<hedac>server alive again after reboot... I hope all mysql tables are ok...
07:54<hedac>but still I don't know what caused the problem... I'll check apache config
07:55<HoopyCat>it'll go along ok for awhile, and then it'll need to fork one too many processes (either a bit of additional traffic or maybe a query takes a couple moments longer), and then it'll start swapping... this causes requests to start taking longer, which means it will fork more processes to handle more concurrent connections....
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07:56<HoopyCat>"the boat is too heavy and sinking! quick, get more people on the boat to help make it lighter!"
07:57<hedac>yes... I would like to know if putting more RAM would solve this... but normally it doesn't consume so much RAM... the average is ok for my configuration...
07:58<HoopyCat>hedac: if you're ok most of the time, i'd just crank back MaxClients a long ways... that will directly limit how many concurrent connections apache will try to handle
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07:58<hedac>Keepalive is set at 15
07:58<hedac>maybe I should put 0 ?
08:00<hedac>wow.. MAxClients is at 150
08:00<HoopyCat>some say 0, some say 1. that's how long it'll let the connection stay open after a browser is done sucking down a web page. not that useful, in practice, these days
08:00<hedac>ok
08:00<hedac>but MaxClients is the one I have to reduce then
08:01<HoopyCat>if you assume everyone keeps their connection open the whole 15 seconds and actual request handling takes no time, that's... 10 connections/second. setting keepalive to 0 and maxclients to 10 will yield the same throughput with 1/15th the peak memory usage. ('course, theory very much != reality, but it's a way of thinking about it)
08:02<HoopyCat>(even better, if there are 10 connections being serviced and the 11th sucker wants in, they wait in line briefly. graceful degredation!)
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08:06<r>How much does extra ram cost?
08:06<hedac>this is a relatively small website that I need to host...
08:06<hedac>it will be fine now I think
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08:06<r>How much does an additional amount of ram as an extra cost?
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08:07<@caker>!extras
08:07<linbot>Available Add-ons: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP: $ 1 per IP/month
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08:10<HoopyCat>hedac: nod... for what it's worth, i've got a site that peaked at ~4.4 connections/sec yesterday, but only got up to ~17 simultaneous connections once, and i think that's when i was futzing around with it. (it's running with a somewhat different architecture, too, so these numbers may vary)
08:12<hedac>Do you monitor all the connections in realtime?
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08:14<HoopyCat>hedac: i use something called "munin" that polls all my systems every five minutes for vital stats, ranging from memory usage to the amount of water in some guy's dehumidifier.
08:15<hedac>that's nice
08:15<hedac>I was wondering for some utility like that
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08:15<HoopyCat>it's got a pretty straightforward plugin interface, too, so if you can automatically get a number from something, you can graph it with munin
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08:16<HoopyCat>http://hoopycat.com/~rtucker/arrogant-bastard-inboxcount-day.png <--- like number of mails in a mailbox :-)
08:17<hedac>that's nice.. the only graphs I have is the graphs of linode dashboard
08:17<megatron27>HoopyCat: you're insane
08:18<megatron27>oh, those are IMAP message states, you're insane
08:18<megatron27>tired
08:19<HoopyCat>hedac: well, they're better than nothing, which is what i get from things that aren't linodes. it's a client-server thing, too, so you can monitor multiple thingies from one server. (i have it running on a junk box at home, monitoring linodes and desktop PCs)
08:20<HoopyCat>megatron27: you can really get an idea as to when i wake up
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08:25<hedac>:) ok.. I'm off to lunch... thanks!
08:28<HoopyCat>hedac: np... have a good one. :-)
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09:37<straterra>amitz: i had to restart it
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09:58<Yaakov>caker!
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09:58*caker is scared
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10:04<megatron27>tired
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10:08<amitz>straterra: in a way it's good? Restart, go home if it's not too far, take a bath / sleep, then return? Or just sleep / take a bath there.
10:08<straterra>I'm at work now
10:08<straterra>I'm drinking coffee and such...I'm here for the day
10:09<straterra>I really thing I deserve more than $650 every two weeks
10:09<megatron27>where do you work
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10:09<straterra>a manufacturing company in the US..I work in IT
10:10<megatron27>full time?
10:10<straterra>Indeed
10:10<straterra>And salary
10:10<straterra>and on call 24/7
10:10<megatron27>why is the pay so bad
10:10<straterra>Good question
10:10<megatron27>even teachers get paid more than that
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10:11<megatron27>unless this is in the middle of the country like Kentucky...
10:12<amitz>straterra: look at the bright side... if there is a light there :-|
10:12<straterra>Theres too much light..i like darkness
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10:12<megatron27>I feel sick.
10:12<megatron27>darkness :|
10:12<amitz>okay, I retract that. It's a half joke half encouragement. It fails on both.
10:12<amitz>megatron27: still up chasing deadline?
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10:13<megatron27>yeah
10:13<megatron27>I'm giving a class this weekend
10:13<megatron27>was just at the mall buying office attire
10:13<amitz>the python class?
10:13<megatron27>yeah
10:14<amitz>is it popular in your place?
10:14<megatron27>nope
10:14<megatron27>in fact, perl is more popular here
10:14<megatron27>I mean wtf right, PERL?#$*@&#(*$&@#
10:15<megatron27>just saying
10:15<amitz>look at the bright side (not agaaain, but wait up), it can boost your CV for that elusive python work :-)
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10:15<Yaakov>I just talked to Perl and it says it is very sorry but it can't recall you.
10:15<megatron27>does seeing a therapist help?
10:15<megatron27>nah, I hate maintaning my CV
10:16<megatron27>if they dont
10:16<Yaakov>Python is nice, but perl is my love.
10:16<@tychoish>Saphire is where its at
10:16<megatron27>hmmm...... imagine a program that can create a CV out of your twitter feed
10:16<amitz>megatron27: I always maintain my CV. It's good for my periodic "the grass is greener on the other side".
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10:16<megatron27>twitter!
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10:17<megatron27>my CV has a black hole in it, they'll always wonder what I did between 2001 and 2003
10:17<amitz>tychoish: anything cheap but looks expensive works! :-p
10:17<Yaakov>I can't speak for circumstances but I expect to retire from the job I currently hold.
10:18<megatron27>you mean you'll hold until retirement
10:18<megatron27>hold it**
10:18<Yaakov>Yes.
10:18<megatron27>I've never been that loyal to a company
10:18<amitz>megatron27: you don't know want to know the kind "wrong material" that fill in my hole.. ups...I hope I don't say it wrong :-p
10:18<Yaakov>In about, oh, 20 or so years.
10:18<megatron27>sounds like you own the company
10:19<Yaakov>No, I work at a university.
10:19<megatron27>tenure?
10:19<Yaakov>No, staff--but it's very similar.
10:19<Yaakov>And I am happy here.
10:19<megatron27>teaching can be very rewarding
10:19<Yaakov>Good salary, benefits, stability, close to home...
10:19<amitz>Yaakov: ah, an invulnerable guy :-)
10:20<Yaakov>Four mile commute.
10:20<megatron27>college chicks
10:20<amitz>megatron27: if the chicks are decent...
10:20<Yaakov>They are little girls...
10:20<megatron27>free trips to conferences
10:20<megatron27>all over the world
10:20*path likes big girls
10:20<Yaakov>They are less than half my age.
10:20*amitz just realize that chicks mean little chicken..
10:21<amitz>Yaakov: that is still above minor.
10:21<Yaakov>In any case, I have been married for 28 years and don't have any needs in that area.
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10:22<megatron27>I'm so unprepared for this course.
10:22<path>in '81, i was probably in preschool
10:22<megatron27>I was born in '81
10:22<amitz>path: big as in large-ish or fat-ish?
10:22<path>in sarcastish since he said "little girls" and that could be parsed a few ways.
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10:23<amitz>megatron27: nobody knows you're unprepared. If they know, they won't be there :-)
10:23<armbruster>eew, pedo.
10:23<amitz>path: ooh.
10:23<path>heh
10:23<megatron27>SpaceHobo: holy shit
10:24<path>i've heard that too
10:24<megatron27>anyway, I was working for a company but the funny thing is that i don't have anything to show for it during that period of time :-)
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10:24<amitz>megatron27: just spins it well..
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10:24<path>except you weren't a bum or leaching off the state?
10:24<amitz>megatron27: dude... I had exactly that kind of hole..
10:24<mohney>shot in the dark, but - does anyone here know joomla or how to override modules? I'm having a tough time overriding the mod_virtuemart_search.php layout
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10:24<amitz>but that one not so big.
10:25<mohney>all of my component overrides are working - but it seems that none of my module overrides are
10:25<megatron27>basically I joined my company as a programmer before they had an R&D department and I was a freshie at that time so I spent all day doing my own version of R&D
10:26<amitz>megatron27: it's like a dark secret between colleagues. At the end, I often time just omit it.
10:26<megatron27>you and your dark secrets
10:29<amitz>megatron27: look at the bright side, you carry the knowledge and the proof of you work with your head.
10:29<amitz>s/with/inside
10:29<amitz>and you can tell them the knowledge if asked.
10:30<amitz>as proof.
10:31<teef>Sorry if there are any HR types here (unlikely I'd think), but you don't want to be sending your CVs to them, you need to get qualified people interested in hiring.
10:31<teef>HR tends to just go down checklists, they've got no clue about what you're doing
10:32<amitz>teef: yeah, all my first interviews, for IT path, always done by IT guys (maybe together with an HR guy). Never an HR guy alone. I probably fail the checklist in general.
10:33<amitz>by the HR people.
10:33<teef>amitz: I used to work for the great satan of software, I know exactly how HR works for them, you need an in in engineering, R&D, IT or whatever
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10:35<teef>If you send your CV to HR, you're gambling with the 'pile'
10:36<@mikegrb>lolz
10:36<Daevien>"great satan of software" lol
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10:37<amitz>teef: the greatest satan? a lesser one? :-D
10:38<teef>amitz: as far as here is concerned, I'd imagine the greatest one
10:39<amitz>It never crossed my mind to apply there (even though they only have sales office here)
10:39<teef>amitz: DONT
10:40<teef>Find a nice startup, 10-20 people max, somewhere where you can amaze, work hard till the job's done
10:41<teef>In three years it'll either be bankrupt or acquired, but you'll have the cash, experience and contacts
10:42<waldo_>or just work in IT for a fortune 100 company. less chance of being bankrupt.
10:42<teef>more chance of boredom?
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10:43<rainman`>just start your own startup
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10:43<amitz>teef: been there too, I learnt a lot, did a lot, and there was many opportunity to grow. But I was tempted to grow into the darker side of non-IT there. :-). I need to defend myself now to return to IT
10:44<teef>amitz: that's cool, but please avoid the great satan. Seriously. No-one makes decisions, everyone's worried about the option price, it's stifling.
10:44*rainman` is working on a startup as a side-job and intends to conquer the world
10:45<amitz>waldo_: I also had a stint in a huge company. I was fortunate it was exciting. But in general it will be boredom forever.
10:45<randallman>Interviewing with HR FTL...
10:45<randallman>HR and I are like oil and water
10:45<randallman>Im a loud mouthed f-bomb dropping male pig :)
10:45<amitz>randallman: it shows. :-p
10:45<randallman>If it werent for my relative skill and interleaving with my organization, I'd be a fired fool :)
10:45*amitz runs :-DD
10:45<randallman>Does it? :P
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10:46<randallman>Im a professional asshole, it's ok :)
10:46<randallman>Im proud of it ;)
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10:46<amitz>yeah, as long you're THE MAN!
10:47<randallman>that only goes so far unfortunately :)
10:47<randallman>as much as we may or may not think it to be false, our companies can go on without us :)
10:47<randallman>It's just a matter of risk vs. reward :) Time lost vs. percieved gains :)
10:48<randallman>So basically, there's some equation out there that says your productivity output must exceed your level of annoying others :)
10:48<amitz>randallman: that equation does exist hahaha.
10:48<randallman>Im still looking for the cosmological constant :)
10:49<rainman`>don't forget to never ever document completely
10:49<rainman`>make sure there's always a bit missing that only you know
10:49<randallman>Oh yeah, of course dude :)
10:49<amitz>I see enough people hanging on that equation.
10:49<rainman`>and automated systems should fail at least every month
10:49<randallman>well, it's never actually deliberate that we dont document fully :)
10:49<randallman>It's just that documentation falls off the priorities in light of projects with higher business visibility
10:50<amitz>randallman: dude, you're good! :-)
10:51<rainman`>you have to keep your deliverables into account
10:51<rainman`>and frequent milestones
10:51<rainman`>to help the team reach optimal synergy
10:52<randallman>Without impacting velocity
10:52<randallman>:)
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10:52<amitz>I had a colleague who uh..manage deliverable so well we named him "The great pender" in homage to "The Pretender"
10:52<randallman>tap dancin'
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10:53<amitz>the TV show, not the band.
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11:19<amitz>my office foo really sucks..
11:19<megatron27>foo?
11:20<amitz>ooh, fu .
11:20<amitz>as in kung fu
11:20<megatron27>Microsoft Office?
11:20<@tychoish>AbiWord?
11:20<amitz>actually open office
11:21<amitz>Office Calc.
11:21<megatron27>just converted my dad over to OpenOfifce :-)
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11:22<megatron27>the store he bought his laptop from preloaded Office and he started getting Geniune Advnatage warning
11:22<megatron27>so I converted him over to OpenOffice
11:22<amitz>Basically I want to replace all states code (AR, DC, etc) with a number for all occurences. But at the same time, I want to have it writes a list of all mapping between a number and state code.
11:22<amitz>mapping between the numbers and state codes.
11:23<amitz>megatron27: problem usually starts happening when he exchanges office document with other people :-)
11:24<megatron27>nah, I've seen the documents that he accesses, very basic formatting
11:24<megatron27>OpenOffice would have no problem handling that
11:24<megatron27>but at my company, OpenOffice would never fly :-)
11:24<@caker>OO can suck it.
11:25<megatron27>VIM FTW
11:25<@caker>It's impressive, but still very buggy on the Mac
11:25<path>even on linux
11:25<fapestniegd>it's all crap
11:25<megatron27>seriously? on Linux it's great imho
11:25<path>i don't like how it totally maximizes when opening a document
11:26<amitz>I guess back to replace all..
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11:26<megatron27>I use Calc a lot
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11:26<path>i tend to use the ms office on the windows box
11:27<megatron27>hmmm..... hmmm...
11:27<beginner22>Hi, I'm doing my first hosted sites here with my linode... wondering, when i create a new DNS zone, where is my public html folder for that zone? can't find it in the var/www dir...
11:27<amitz>caker: I heard OO calc is very slow on large spreadsheet. But it doesn't seem so right now.
11:27<megatron27>uhmmm....
11:27<beginner22>can someone help?
11:27<path>beginner22: what distro?
11:27<beginner22>ubuntu hardy 64
11:27<@caker>beginner22: http://library.linode.com/ !
11:27<path>yes!
11:29<path>http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/ubuntu-8.04-hardy/
11:29<path>more specifically
11:29<path>https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/index.html
11:29<path>that also has some good info
11:29<megatron27>but for those who live in their word processor like a lot of people do, making the switch is going to be difficult
11:30<beginner22>ok, so the right category was "lamp"? I'm sorry still not used to finding stuff on the library
11:30<Daevien>you need to setup your linode with web server software, etc. it's not as simple as making the dns zone and then putting files somewhere and you are done
11:30<path>lamp is known as linux, apache, mysql, php
11:30<Daevien>it's much more complicated than shared hosting or managed servers for instance
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11:31<path>but nowadays people will use lighttpd instead of apache, postgres instead of mysql, and python instead of php.
11:31<beginner22>ok, thanks a lot i'll read that
11:31<path>i still use apache
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11:31<path>sendmail?
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11:31<path>:)
11:31<Daevien>i use nginx instead of lighttpd
11:31<beginner22>path: is lighttpd much more faster than apache?
11:31<linbot>Please don't install sendmail: despite the catchy name it isn't your best option for a mail server. If your needs are simple, consider postfix. More complex? Try exim. Don't need your server to receve mail? Try ssmtp.
11:31<megatron27>postgres instead of mysql? I missed the memo about that
11:32<beginner22>or just slightly more? i heard it was more fast
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11:32<Daevien>lighttpd & nginx blow apache out of the water for speed on most things, especially static files
11:32<beginner22>wow!
11:32<beginner22>thats interesting
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11:32<@caker>moar coar for my blag
11:33<Daevien>SpaceHobo, so you think apache is faster?
11:33<beginner22>and what about non-static files?
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11:34<Daevien>what do you consider a huge file?
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11:34<@tychoish>beginner22: if you're new to this sort of thing, and don't have special needs, its probably easier to use Apache
11:34<path>but there is some phpcgi stuff which doesn't require mods in apache
11:34<Daevien>SpaceHobo, if he's askign these questions, don't throw out stuff like prefork & stuff. you'll mak ehis head explode :p
11:34<path>which is required for other webservers anyhow
11:34<beginner22>ok, I'll stick to apache then
11:34<@tychoish>I mean, it's true that there are other alternatives, and they do present some advantages over Apache in some situations
11:34<megatron27>well probably because of wealth of documentation
11:35<Daevien>SpaceHobo, then you'd be wrong
11:35<@tychoish>but apache is really well documented and quite flexible for most "hrm, I want to serve websites,"
11:35<@tychoish>needs
11:36<beginner22>hehe
11:36<beginner22>i guess I'm a "hrm... i wanna serve websites"
11:36<path>i would definitely learn with apache since there is a LOT of info out there on that
11:36<beginner22>(and run php scripts)
11:36<megatron27>you're not alone, I have a support group now
11:37<@tychoish>if in a year, you're like "dudes, my website is slow, and I don't want to keep throwing hardware, and I expect to get 10,000 hits an hour" come back and we'll talk about lighttpd
11:37<beginner22>reading this now: lighttpd vs apache: http://www.phpmagazine.net/2007/02/lighttpd_vs_apache.html
11:37<path>then once you get a feel for things and want to try other things out, you'll be able to compare and know what the settings actually mean
11:37<beginner22>spacehobo: why "alas"?
11:37<path>php is the old and busted
11:38<@pparadis>perl is the new hotness
11:38<path>yes!
11:38<@tychoish>it's all about saphire
11:38<beginner22>perl?
11:38<@pparadis>yes
11:38*megatron27 looks up saphire
11:38<path>perl should be a requirement in Linux 101
11:38<@pparadis>yes again
11:38<megatron27>wtf is saphire?
11:38<teef>beginner22: think like religion, then apply to this conversation
11:38<beginner22>the old perl? or a new version? why perl? much faster?
11:38*pparadis slaps tychoish
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11:39<@pparadis>beginner22: depends on how you write your code.
11:39<path>perl is like the ultimate swiss army knife
11:39<@tychoish>megatron27: it's the linode revision of Arc that's going to take over the world as soon as we finish it
11:39<@mikegrb>roflz
11:39<megatron27>tychoish: rofl
11:39<BP{k}>Bombay Sapphire FTW ;)
11:39<path>a lot of people like python too
11:39<@pparadis>sure
11:39<@pparadis>i like to call python programs from my perl programs sometimes ;)
11:39<@tychoish>fucking restructured text
11:39<@pparadis>yes
11:40<path>so you call python from perl from cf?
11:40<@pparadis>not from cf
11:40<beginner22>the problem with learning to many languages is you get used to ways of coding, and then you start putting "+" instead of "." to concatenate strings...
11:40<path>:)
11:40<path>. works in perl
11:40<@pparadis>beginner22: you must transcend that stage to reach coding nirvana, whereby you will be a master of all functional an OO language semantics.
11:41<@tychoish>really pparadis writes in a subset of smalltalk
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11:42<beginner22>pparadis: i'm the absent minded type... I'm already too trancendental
11:42<amitz>someone is pulling a joke on office calc. After converting and importing here and there, a becomes 4, b becomes 3, d becomes 1.. Or maybe someone is pulling a joke on me...
11:44<amitz>nevermind! It's a replace gone awry. I should have seen the pattern :-)
11:44<megatron27>. is from which language?
11:45<JshWright> PHP
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11:45<megatron27>oh
11:45<megatron27>that's one language that I never bothered to learn
11:46<JshWright>I envy your position of being able to afford not "bothering"
11:46<megatron27>no, anyone can be a language snob :-)
11:47<JshWright>depends on how big the bills are, and how quickly they're due
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11:55<beginner22>looking at this benchmark: http://forums.bsdnexus.com/viewtopic.php?id=121 am I right to conclude that apache2 would be faster for handling small files (for instance, a web site is often comprised of many small files) and lighty would be faster for large files?
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11:57<beginner22>this one also suggests that lighty's specialty is large files: http://csshyamsundar.wordpress.com/2006/10/29/apache-vs-lighttpd-a-comparison/
11:58<megatron27>I don't know much about the performance of web servers but those articles are pretty old, I'm sure a lot has changed since then
12:00<beginner22>true, they're kinda old
12:00<steffan>beginner22: You are most probably better asking the developers yourself on irc.freenode.net #apache/#lighttpd
12:01<megatron27>personally, I use lighttpd because I can wrap my head around the configuration files
12:01<beginner22>steffan: ok, good idea
12:01<rainman`>lighttpd is also lighter in my experience
12:01<rainman`>in memory
12:01<megatron27>I like knowing what every single line means in my configuration files but that's probably my OCD.
12:01<steffan>beginner22: Most websites just show user opinions, another option would just to be to try both out for yourself.
12:02<teef>as you have a linode, why not try both, and get your own benchmarks which reflect your actual usage?
12:02<teef>rather than rely on either old, biased, or just plain wrong benchmarks that anyone might post?
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12:06<beginner22>teef: yep, that's in the plans, but i still have a learning curve b4 i do that i guess ;-)
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12:07<beginner22>talking about self-bragging benchmarks, here is one by cherokee claiming cherokee is best... http://www.cherokee-project.com/benchmarks.html the second graph seems pretty impressive i muyst say
12:08<@tychoish>the other thing about linode, is that you can play around, and if you screw things up, just redeploy and start over
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12:09<teef>beginner22: seriously there's so much that can depend on tuning, on usage, on anything, that the best way to be sure is to 'do it yourself(tm)' then you know, rather than trusting someone who you have no idea of their skill level, ability, hidden agenda, personal preference etc.
12:10<beginner22>teef: true
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12:51<amitz>should just do it with python from the beginning. No office fu needed :-)
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13:34<obscurite>hey, what's a good alternative to ping if icmp is blocked. is there a ping over udp?
13:37<HoopyCat>obscurite: ping works by sending a packet that elicits a nearly-immediate reply, then timing the response... timing the TCP handshake against a briskly-operating service would probably get you pretty reasonable results, 'tho it would probably read a little high
13:37<obscurite>HoopyCat: yeah, I figured. is there a way to do that easily?
13:40<HoopyCat>obscurite: tcptraceroute'll do it (consider something like http://www.vdberg.org/~richard/tcpping.html to make it look pretty)... or, if you're stuck on a desert island and only have a packet sniffer and a calculator, hope for high-resolution timestamps :-)
13:40<obscurite>HoopyCat: it better be a solar powered HP calculator ;)
13:40<obscurite>thanks.
13:42<nachtkriecher>wo
13:42<nachtkriecher>i have been logged in for a week
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13:43<HoopyCat>famous last words!
13:44<randallman>heh
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13:44<obscurite>hmm, i can telnet to port 80 on this host, but i can't tcptraceroute it on port 80
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13:47<HoopyCat>obscurite: this'd be about the point i'd fire up tcpdump, grab some captures and a cup of coffee and work through them.
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13:48<beginner22>when searching for a makefile application, I get about 40 results :-S how do i know which one to choose?
13:48<obscurite>HoopyCat: I'm not sure I have coffee strong enough around here.
13:48<beginner22>ubuntu hardy
13:49<HoopyCat>beginner22: "makefile application"?
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13:50<beginner22>"tmake" perhaps? "a cross-platform makefile tool"
13:50<HoopyCat>beginner22: what're you trying to do?
13:51<obscurite>HoopyCat: the dbug flag causes an endless stream of null pointer warnings to show up. hehe
13:51<beginner22>trying to install cherokee (just making tests) with this tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-cherokee-web-server-with-php5-and-mysql5-on-ubuntu-8.10
13:51<beginner22>was easy until step 6... but now the "make" and "make install" commands complain that there is no makefile application
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13:54<HoopyCat>beginner22: for what it's worth, cherokee exists in the ubuntu repos; by choosing to compile it as source, you will have to evaluate and deal with any security advisories yourself, including compiling and installing new versions as they're released. (apt-get update and upgrade won't touch cherokee.) that said....
13:54<HoopyCat>beginner22: did you apt-get install build-essential ?
13:56<beginner22>no
13:56<beginner22>hold on
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13:57<beginner22>so reading by your first line, i should just do apt-get install cherokee?
13:58<HoopyCat>beginner22: generally, if you don't have a compelling reason to compile from source (and are fully aware of the consequences), it's best to go with what your distro has, even if it is relatively old
13:58<beginner22>ok, thanks for the advice
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14:00<HoopyCat>beginner22: in other words, if i were installing cherokee for myself, i would apt-get install cherokee and skip the compiling :-) i have a well-cultured taste for laziness
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14:00<AlexC_>morning
14:00<Daevien>whereas i tend to compile stuff :p
14:01<AlexC_>I've just removed Spamassasin etc and just going to try out Postfix grey listing - now, I still see 'dkim-filter' process that takes up around 70mb - what is dkim-filter and am I able to remove it?
14:01<Daevien>but i also come from slackware linux originally so i'm used to compiling and stuff
14:01<randallman>DKIM is domain keys
14:01<randallman>redone :0
14:01<AlexC_>ok, so that is most likely to do with the SPF filtering I also have then?
14:02<randallman>SPF != DKIM but *shrug*
14:02<HoopyCat>Daevien: that'll eventually bite your ass on a dpkg-based distro. not so bad on an rpm-based distro, but that's probably because i spent years running centos. installing anything cool on centos is practically like warezing, but legal...
14:02<randallman>Hehj
14:02*randallman builds RPMs
14:02<randallman>I either write my own spec or find out :)
14:02<randallman>err find one
14:02<AlexC_>randallman: do you think domain keys are worth it?
14:02<randallman>or install into /usr/local
14:03<randallman>AlexC, some say yes, some say no :)
14:03<Daevien>yeah i've used centos & various redhat before that too as well as arch & debian
14:03<randallman>A lot of REAL GOOD spammers use DKIM...
14:03<randallman>But most do not sign thier messages
14:03<randallman>you cant really say 'If it aint signed, it's spam' and quarantine
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14:03<randallman>but.
14:03<Daevien>i dont't run ubuntu for servers, i think of it more as desktop, not server :p
14:03<AlexC_>randallman: hum, think I'll keep it then
14:03<beginner22>oh well daevien, u seem to be such a mismatcher ;-)
14:04<HoopyCat>Daevien: i standardized on ubuntu across the board... same commands and same repos on desktops and servers == the dream
14:04<HoopyCat>(plus it makes backup pooling work realllly nice)
14:05<beginner22>just curious, why are most things in the "etc" dir? does it stand for "et ceatera?" or some other accronym?
14:06<Karrde>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
14:07<megatron27>oh interesting, /usr asctually means multi user...
14:08<randallman>ppar around?
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14:08<HoopyCat>megatron27: you should be able to put /usr on its own filesystem and be able to unbone the system with only what you have in /bin (and /lib, /etc, etc)
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14:09<HoopyCat>(debone?)
14:09<beginner22>thanks karrde
14:09<Daevien>i dont't run ubuntu for servers, i think of it more as desktop, not server :p
14:09<Daevien>bleh
14:09<HoopyCat>Daevien: i standardized on ubuntu across the board... same commands and same repos on desktops and servers == the dream
14:09<megatron27>there there should be a /bin/vi, but there isn't :|
14:09<Daevien>hit up arrow at end of line and repeated
14:09<megatron27>then there*
14:10<Daevien>i run debian on a linode & a diff xen host right now.. had centos on linode before that
14:10<HoopyCat>megatron27: i agree, o how i agree.
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14:11<Daevien>have mostly used centos for last few years on server stuff, arch or for a bit crunchbang (ubuntu variant with openbox and stuff).. right now only my centos server at home is linux, desktop & laptop are win7
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14:12<Daevien>i may shuffle stuff off the linode to the other host or just use virtualbox to play around with ubuntu as server sometimes
14:12<Daevien>just in my mind, i hear ubuntu and think desktop right off and nothing else :p
14:13<HoopyCat>(worktime, afk)
14:13<path>i'm slowly replacing our RHEL systems at work with Ubuntu
14:13<path>it's much nicer to manage
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14:14<Daevien>i don't have all that much outside of repo installed stuff either Hoopy, just nginx i think in fact
14:14<path>i use ubuntu on my workstation at work too.. but i use macs for personal stuff
14:15<Daevien>i wouldn't mind a mac, i just can't see (or afford) the cost vs non mac at this point :p
14:15<path>there are some apps that require crap that isn't in RHEL and using other repos with that is a pain
14:15<path>but all that stuff is in the ubuntu repos
14:15<megatron27>only thing I don't like about RHEL/Centos - Python 2.4 :
14:15<path>perl modules is a huge PITA
14:16<Karrde>debian/ubuntu packages 95% of them, it's trivial
14:16<path>because there are some in rpmforge or dag weirs that overwrite some stuff that redhat includes in the stock perl rpm
14:16<Karrde>cpan is the devil ime
14:16<path>it's dependancy hell
14:16<Karrde>o we're talking RH
14:16<path>i try to get rpms over cpan where possible
14:16<path>cpan is another level of hell
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14:19<megatron27>what's so bad about each application keeping its own copy of its dependencies
14:19<laser`>Replication?
14:19<megatron27>but disk space is cheap
14:20<path>huh?
14:20<randallman>path, cpan2rpm
14:20<path>haven't seen that
14:20<randallman>it works
14:20<path>the issue app i had was RT
14:20<randallman>omg
14:20<path>and there are RT packages in ubuntu.. so that VM will go the way all the others have.
14:20<randallman>haha
14:21<randallman>RT is a disaster of dependencies ;)
14:21<path>YES!!
14:21<randallman>(plus mod_perl of course)
14:21<randallman>Where's rainman?
14:21<randallman>He should be here right now complainign of a headache :)
14:21<path>it was pretty insane
14:21<randallman>Having said all ofthat, RT3 is probably hands down the best ticketing system
14:21<path>i've never seen anything require so many perl mods
14:21<randallman>Beats remedy, magic, all that crap
14:22<randallman>Ok so it doesnt immediately support itil :0
14:22<path>well, we aren't using on our help desk yet.. just so small needs
14:22<path>but thats where i'd like to take it
14:22<randallman>But check out cpan2rpm
14:22<randallman>it rock
14:22<randallman>s
14:23*path notes that
14:23<randallman>it actually takes 1 main argument, the name of the perl mod
14:23<randallman>and it downloads it and stuff :)
14:24<path>there is a "dh-make-perl" in ubuntu which does that kinda stuff
14:24<path>but it doesn't recursively build dependancies
14:24<beginner22>May someone be kind enough to tell me where i can find the document root of a server as in: "You can test php and its modules by making a file named for example info.php and putting it in document_root of the server. " -- still getting used to unix file syustem
14:25<path>probably /var/www/html
14:25<Karrde>beginner22: wherever your web server has defined it
14:25<path>or /var/www
14:25<Karrde>/var/www on many systems
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14:26<beginner22>ok, thank you guys... i thought "document_root" was something else than var www
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14:28<randallman>Anyone here ever use BMC 'Service Desk Express'
14:29<randallman>it's the worst ticketing system ever made
14:29<randallman>I'd rather people walk up to my desk than use this system :)
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14:38<amitz>quick question, what attribute to use to delete a dictionary given the key?
14:38<amitz>python
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14:40<randallman>o/~ We dont need a key, WE'LL BREAK IT! o/~
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14:42<JshWright>amitz: you're looking to delete an entry from the dict, or the whole dict?
14:43<HoopyCat>amitz: del(yourdict[key]), which calls yourdict.__delitem__(key)
14:44<JshWright>del isn't a fucntion
14:44<HoopyCat>i'm old-skool
14:44<amitz>JshWright: HoopyCat: got it, pop(). I found the attribute to print all attributes. Thanks guys!
14:44<HoopyCat>amitz: del yourdict[key], which calls yourdict.__delitem__(key)
14:45<amitz>HoopyCat: ooh, you can do that? hmm
14:45<JshWright>HoopyCat: the parens don't break anything, they just aren't needed since it's a statement
14:45<HoopyCat>i suppose pop() would do it too :-)
14:45<JshWright>yeah... but it's slowere
14:45<HoopyCat>JshWright: nod, i always forget.
14:45<JshWright>s/re/r/
14:46<HoopyCat>back to the mines, bbl
14:46<HoopyCat>(clickclickclickclickclickclickclick... hmm... clickclickclick)
14:47<amitz>I think solitaire, mines, and one other I forget are brilliants innovation from microsoft in teaching people to use mouse.
14:48<JshWright>amitz: you also have your_dict.clear() which will clear all the values from the dict
14:48<JshWright>but not delete the dict itself
14:50<amitz>JshWright: oh, I'll keep that in mind.
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15:01<Pryon>or d = {} and let the garbage collector take care of it
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15:29<Yaakov>!groucho
15:29<linbot>Yaakov: My mother loved children--she would have given anything if I had been one.
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15:32<teef>any plans to open linode DCs in other markets?
15:33<teef>SpaceHobo: well that'd be sweet, but I was thinking more of the UK/Europe/India
15:33<@caker>teef: maaaaybe :)
15:33<HoopyCat>teef: PITA for a small US company, but if one man can do it...
15:34<teef>SpaceHobo: it's more a question of local presence...
15:34<@caker>SpaceHobo: but that's like, zomg, 100ms! what about your FPS response timez0rs?!
15:34<theGnomes>howdy all. Just joined & am setting up my very first linode :)
15:34<teef>theGnomes: congrats!
15:35<teef>caker: might there be a timescaaaaaale?
15:35<@caker>teef: I'll never tell.
15:35<teef>roughty
15:35<teef>^t^l
15:35<theGnomes>ty. Figuring out this web-server thingie atm. No idea about dns reconfiguring or forwarding. I'm hoping the changes I made will propagate within the hour :)
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15:35<@caker>theGnomes: welcome!
15:36<theGnomes>Question: How long does it take for dns changes to propagate?
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15:36<teef>caker: how about: if we were to roll out a presence in 2010, do you think it likely that linode might be a candidate?
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15:36<@caker>theGnomes: up to the default TTL in your zone (before you started making changes)
15:37<theGnomes>k. I'll pop off & read more tutorials on dns. Thanks :)
15:37<@caker>teef: depends on who "we" is, and where
15:38<teef>we being a company based this side of the pond, where being somewhere in mainland UK.
15:38<theGnomes>Ugh. Move to europe mainland pls :)
15:38<HoopyCat>loose lips sink ships
15:38<teef>haven't heard that for a while
15:38<HoopyCat>and caker's got some of the tightest lips in the land
15:39<teef>It's when the loose lips rise out of the ocean and wrap themselves around the mast that you've really got a problem
15:39<teef>tight has several meanings....
15:39<theGnomes>Hmm. Sounds like innuendo to me
15:39<HoopyCat>wait, what are we talking about again?
15:40<teef>loose lips
15:40<beginner22>any idea who might using 98address on my linode? (ubuntu hardy), even after rebooting? when i try to run apache2 i get: "(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80" :-S
15:41<teef>beginner22: check to see if you're not already running apache when you try to run it
15:41<@caker>beginner22: fwiw, "98" is likely just an apache error code or something
15:41<@jed>socket error 98
15:41<@caker>actually, yeah
15:41<@caker>!errno 98
15:41<linbot>caker: EADDRINUSE (#98): Address already in use
15:41<@jed>wow, that's handy
15:41<@jed>!error 404
15:41<@jed>!errno 404
15:41<linbot>jed: (unknown) (#404): Unknown error 404
15:41<HoopyCat>*ssh gets really laggy* "Are you using all of the Internet?" "No..." *internet suddenly gets faster*
15:42<randallman>NICE!
15:42<teef>jed: did you get your commit log? It took a long time to pull the kernel, you appeared gone by the time it completed
15:42<randallman>Thank god that's in the bot :)
15:42<@jed>teef: I didn't bisect into it
15:42<randallman>you know how many times I've had to follow the 80 dereferences from include/errno.h ?
15:42<randallman>They've moved the actual data all over the place...
15:42*caker bisected into urmom last night
15:42<teef>jed: I've got the full commit log between if you need it
15:42<@jed>well, I did, but I'm not entirely sure my bisect was accurate
15:42<HoopyCat>beginner22: netstat -nlp (as root) will show you what's listening on what ports
15:42<@jed>teef: of all the commits that were merged in by that big merge commit?
15:42<teef>yes
15:42<randallman>!errno 6
15:42<linbot>randallman: ENXIO (#6): No such device or address
15:42<@jed>:o
15:42<@jed>how'd you doooo it?
15:43<@jed>feed me the git-fu!
15:43<teef>cmd line is king
15:43<beginner22>thanks hoopycat
15:43<@jed>i'd love two things from you, and i'll shower you in kisses if I get both
15:43<@jed>a) the list and
15:43<@jed>b) how
15:43<teef>jed: git log COMMITNUMMER --format=oneline --graph
15:43<@jed>:o
15:43<@jed>:o :o :o
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15:44<teef>jed: but that's a lot of output back to something like 2.6.21
15:44<@caker>o|-<~~~~~
15:44<teef>jed: but a few seconds to purge out
15:44<teef>I'll pastebin the log, hold on
15:45<HoopyCat>hmm, RTT to default gateway stays at ~2 seconds for long period of time, then suddenly the modem loses carrier, retrains, and "everything is fine again"
15:45<randallman>Hey, any ops can respond to my ticket - I cant seem to find PPardis
15:45<teef>http://pastebin.linode.com/2883
15:45<HoopyCat>maybe i need to turn off the kilowatt UHF transmitter
15:45<randallman>Ticket: 92503
15:45<randallman>I need to bake this PO real quick
15:45<teef>shame pastebin wordwraps
15:45<@jed>teef: holy hell that's gorgeous
15:45<randallman>And I know, it's 10% off...
15:46<randallman>But I need to get it written with all the proration month stuff
15:46<teef>jed: cool, happy to help
15:46<@jed>teef: I love you so much, thank you!
15:46<teef>!
15:46<@jed>my git-fu has increased by +1
15:46<HoopyCat>you know what else is 10% off? jed's clothes. (+/- 90%)
15:46<randallman>Haha
15:46<teef>jed: want to nudge caker a little?
15:46<randallman>Seriously :) I want to send money :)
15:46*jed nudges caker a little
15:46<@jed>teef: what am I nudging caker for
15:46<teef>see above
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15:47<@jed>oh, the europe plan
15:47<HoopyCat>teef: btw, once you and jed are done, i'd like to bear your children too
15:47<@jed>teef: pending.
15:47<@jed>we may or may not have plans
15:47<teef>HoopyCat: too late
15:47<theGnomes>You guys talking about new kernels?
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15:48<teef>jed: ok, well had to try. if there's any announcement at all, please ping me
15:48<@jed>teef: you'll be the first to know. :)
15:48<@caker>teef: srsly -- who do you work for?
15:48<@jed>http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1352/picture12t.png
15:48<@jed>that has to be the most beautiful thing I have ever seen
15:48<@jed><3 teef
15:49<HoopyCat>teef: btw, it's --pretty instead of --format for me, because git apparently thinks i'm... that kinda person
15:49<teef>:)
15:49<teef>sweeeeeeet
15:49<@jed>I now have no regrets about running portrait
15:49*randallman whistles dixie....
15:49<teef>caker: want to chat out of public?
15:50<HoopyCat>jed: 92503; randallman has to pee
15:50<HoopyCat>(that rhymes)
15:50<randallman>Haw
15:50<@jed>heh
15:50<randallman>Thanks hoopy :)
15:50<Daevien>i think hoopy forgot his meds today
15:50<HoopyCat>Daevien: no, i remembered them. ;-)
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15:50<randallman>92503 - Please fill your pockets with glee! :P
15:50<@mikegrb>lolz
15:50<randallman>lol
15:51<@caker>teef: PM
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15:52<randallman>filter="(|(objectClass=*)(objectClass=ldapsubentry))"
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15:52<randallman>That is a stupid ldap filter...
15:52*randallman laughs @ the Sun Java Directory console...
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15:52<fapestniegd>redundant even
15:52<randallman>and it's not indexed... Hmm
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15:52*randallman slaps a schema into slapd.
15:52<randallman>(Ok kill me now)
15:53<HoopyCat>randallman: from my experiences with ldap in the past, that's probably as simple as they could get the filter...
15:54<randallman>Yeah but it's like.... select * from foo where foo.id='%' or foo.id='whocares';
15:54<randallman>err sorrty
15:54<randallman>Yeah but it's like.... select * from foo where foo.id LIKE '%' or foo.id='whocares';
15:55<randallman>bad sql, bad ldap, bad bad bad... it's all bad.
15:55<HoopyCat>randallman: you're assuming that ldap's * and SQL's % mean the same thing ;-)
15:55<randallman>well :)
15:55<randallman>does % match NULL ? :P
15:55<randallman>objectClass cant be null in ldap
15:56<HoopyCat>Officially, we are required to contact, welcome, and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in the quadrant, without prejudice, fear, or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing.
15:56<randallman>rather, you cant have an object without an objectClass :P
15:56<HoopyCat>randallman: * could well mean "all records that don't match ldapsubentry" to prevent some sort of horrible disaster
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15:57<randallman>*shrug*, it is what it is :)
15:58<@jed>randallman: i'll ping pparadis about it
15:58<randallman>Jed, I just need a full $ quote
15:58<theGnomes>HoopyCat: flapping meat?
15:58<randallman>I know the cost for 1 year, but I also need the remainder quoted for the rest of august
15:58<emag>HoopyCat: no, actually, that filter is equivalent to just (objectClass=*) or even just ''
15:59<@jed>so you want "if we set up Linode ____ today, what would its cost be through ____"?
15:59<emag>especially since _my_ ldap server has no entries with an objectClass=ldapsubentry
15:59<emag>and both that filter and no filter return the same records
16:00<@jed>randallman: what plan
16:00<randallman>the 39.95 one
16:01<HoopyCat>emag: i know, i'm just pondering wtf might have led to that query being like that. obviously, they don't end up like that on their own...
16:02<HoopyCat>theGnomes: singing meat, lolz
16:02<emag>HoopyCat: i think i see the explanation: "Sun Java Directory console..."
16:02<randallman>It's just a bad filter... by the netscape guys :)
16:02<@jed>randallman: having someone check my math
16:02<randallman>Probably carried over from the old netscape fasttrack days :)
16:03<theGnomes>Great short story that :)
16:03<HoopyCat>emag: build environment is grinning and holding a spatula
16:03<randallman>and yeah emag :) SJSDS 5.2 :P Ugly bastard it is
16:03<randallman>Im switching to OID/OVD very soon
16:04<randallman>SJSEDS 6.3 is actually nice, but way more costly... plus they are per entry prices and not per-CPU
16:04<emag>ouch
16:04<randallman>emag, I used to work with Tim Howes at opsware/loudcloud.
16:04<randallman>it was nice to work in the shadow of the inventor of LDAP :P
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16:20<@jed>randallman: ping
16:21<randallman>pong
16:21<@jed>e-mail prepared
16:22<randallman>Dude Im raelly sorry to make yall go through this :)
16:22<@jed>input destination into jedotron 9000
16:22<@jed>no, no worries :)
16:22<randallman>rshutt@cscinfo.com
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16:22<Karrde>spamtrap@honeypot.com
16:22<randallman>Yeah yeah yeah :)
16:22<randallman>I just self pwn't
16:22-!-|Kyhwana| [kvirc@2001:4428:20d::4] has joined #linode
16:22<randallman>Now I'll be getting all kinda crap :)
16:22<randallman>#linode has a gift for me ! :p
16:23<@jed>you has mail!
16:23<randallman>Jed, can I just e-mail yall the P.O.?
16:24<randallman>or would you rather a fax? :)
16:24<@jed>check my mail ;)
16:24<HoopyCat>exec mail -s '[linode.com #92503] here is teh info u requested' rshutt@cscinfo.com < /dev/urandom
16:24<HoopyCat>oops
16:24<randallman>Haha
16:25<randallman>how long will urandom keep spitting out crap? :P
16:25<@jed>forEVER
16:25<randallman>for-EVER!
16:25<Daevien>can we add that to all of the beginner guides? see how long before his mailbox is full
16:25<randallman>(heh the sand lot ROCKED)
16:25<Pryon>that would block so fast your mom's head would spin
16:25<randallman>haha
16:26<Pryon>oh. *u*random
16:26<Pryon> /relurk
16:26<randallman>Yeah
16:26<randallman>no entropy pool
16:26<randallman>:)
16:26<randallman>I used to HATE generating certs on old solaris boxes
16:26<randallman>w/o urandom support; )
16:26<randallman>generally you could spoof it with a find /
16:26<Pryon>ENORETSIN
16:26<randallman>or some other ridiculous thing :)
16:27<randallman>EWOULDBLOCKBEYOTCH
16:27<Pryon>I am worse than usual today. That should be ENORETSYN
16:28-!-alex-weej [~alex@dyn1244-66.vpn.ic.ac.uk] has joined #linode
16:28*randallman ponders - what friggin GL code is this :)
16:29<HoopyCat>operation wood block
16:29<Pryon>!rimshot
16:29<linbot>http://instantrimshot.com/
16:29<Pryon>randallman: you can't make Certs without Retsyn
16:30<randallman>stop stop :)
16:30<randallman>Friggin frakkers :P
16:30<randallman>I just got that :)
16:30<randallman>I was like 'RETSYN'?
16:30<randallman>:0
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16:31<randallman>wow the wikipedia entry for certs is quite robust
16:31<randallman>it has measurements
16:31<randallman>weights
16:31<randallman>5mm x 18mm :)
16:31*randallman tries to figure out what G/L code a linode is ...
16:32<Pryon>G/L?
16:32<randallman>general friggin ledger :(
16:32<randallman>I have to code my POs
16:32<randallman>since the accountants are a bunch of primadonnas
16:32<Pryon>notwork services
16:32<randallman>exactly
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16:33<Pryon>wtf are you?
16:33*mwalling steps into the foray
16:33<mwalling>fray
16:33<mwalling>w/e its called
16:34<Pryon>foyer
16:34<mwalling>is that the saying? i'm not talking about the entry way specificly
16:35<Pryon>Well, there's 'into the fray'
16:35<HoopyCat>foadray
16:35<astronut>fray
16:35<randallman>01-02-652000-21-310-4099 :)
16:35<randallman>WHEE
16:35*randallman stabs himself in the eye
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16:35<mwalling>fray, yeah, i was close
16:35<HoopyCat>randallman: wait, is this a subpart B waivered expense?
16:35-!-|Kyhwana| [kvirc@2001:4428:20d::4] has joined #linode
16:35<astronut> An angry quarrel; an affray; contest; combat; broil.
16:35<randallman>I dunno, I'll have to slap an accountant to find out :)
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16:35<mwalling>astronut: yeah, that
16:35<Pryon>waiver your expense at somebody else, pal
16:35<randallman>(my wife is an accountant of course)
16:36*randallman writes a check 'not to exceed' and walks over to the check printer.... Muwhahaha
16:37<toyo|desk>what is the current upload speed cap set to?
16:37<toyo|desk>the one where we have to put a support ticket in to change
16:37<toyo|desk>:P
16:38<mwalling>50
16:38<astronut>we have upload caps?
16:38<mwalling>astronut: more like a safety valve
16:38<HoopyCat>16:36 [@fccdotgov:17] We discovered RSS! More to come soon. Subscribe at www.FCC.gov
16:38<astronut>is this bandwidth or utilization?
16:38<astronut>is this documented somewhere?
16:38<toyo|desk>ah thanks mwalling
16:38<toyo|desk>:D
16:38*astronut has been happy so far, it's only been 2 days though
16:38<toyo|desk>thats perfect actually
16:38<@caker>astronut: if you can actually hit 50Mbit/sec out of your Linode, we'll raise it.
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16:39<astronut>caker: ah, did not know units
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16:39<toyo|desk>I just found out today that I can get over 40Mb with my cable
16:39<toyo|desk>:S
16:39<astronut>i think 50mbit/second is probably sufficient :-P
16:39<Pryon>astronut: where do you live and who is your cable provider?
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16:39<HoopyCat>astronut: that's a couple hairs above a clear DS3
16:39<mwalling>i can get oo urmoms/second, tyvm
16:39<rainman`>randallman, apologies - i was away
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16:40<toyo|desk>http://www.speedtest.net/result/544695819.png
16:40<toyo|desk>:P
16:40*mwalling 's jaw drops
16:40<randallman>Rainman, :)
16:40<randallman>I needed you to complain about perl :0
16:40<randallman>But you werent here
16:40<randallman>I felt abandoned
16:40<mwalling>randallman: doesnt path <3 perl?
16:41<randallman>Yeah pat likes perl AFAIK :)
16:41<randallman>What SA doesnt like perl, seriously? :P
16:41<randallman>Show of hands, please :)
16:41*mwalling
16:41<@mikegrb>lolz
16:41<toyo|desk>lol
16:41<HoopyCat>o/
16:42<silverblade>never used perl
16:42<mwalling>i <3 powershell!
16:42<randallman>haw
16:42*mwalling goes to reboot
16:42<randallman>powerhell?
16:42<rainman`>randallman, python > * > perl
16:42<rainman`>does this compensate? :>
16:42<randallman>Yeah :)
16:42<randallman>Thanks :)
16:42<rainman`>yw
16:42<astronut>Pryon: currently at home in NC with 3MB DSL through windstream - school is supposed to be a 10M cable through timewarner, haven't moved yet
16:42<randallman>I needed my daily does of absolutiest language elitism
16:42<randallman>:)
16:43<randallman>err absolutist :)
16:43<path>i played with powershell some, it takes awhile to load though
16:43<path>that was awhile ago
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16:43<astronut>http://www.speedtest.net/result/544695819.png
16:44<astronut>err
16:44<astronut>i pasted the wrong one
16:44<astronut>http://www.speedtest.net/result/544707536.png is mine
16:44<toyo|desk>hehe 3 meg
16:45<toyo|desk>I remember those days
16:45<toyo|desk>:S
16:45<astronut>ya, and only recently too, when my last ISP cut us off
16:45<astronut>went from a 1.5 to a 3
16:45<astronut>my last ISP dumped the contract w/ my phon company
16:45<toyo|desk>lame
16:45<astronut>stopped serving all customers w/ that phone company
16:45<astronut>gave us 20 days notice
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16:45<toyo|desk>damn
16:45<astronut>we'd been customers over 13 years
16:46<toyo|desk>yeah I randomly did a speed test today only to find 44mbit
16:46<toyo|desk>:S
16:46<astronut>3's as fast as we can get, they offer 6 but not in our area
16:46<astronut>and it's relatively expensive
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16:46<toyo|desk>the dsl co in my area maxes out at 7 before you must go to fiber
16:46<astronut>at school, timewarner is 10meg/$30 month or 15/$40 i think
16:46<astronut>free renter
16:46<astronut>err
16:46<astronut>free modem rental
16:47<astronut>month-to-month, no contract
16:47<toyo|desk>but I am on cable
16:47<astronut>so wish i could find that in the cities i've been interning
16:47<toyo|desk>so meah
16:47<toyo|desk>I cant wait to see what happens when they roll out docsis 3
16:47<toyo|desk>:D
16:48-!-notserpe [~notserpe@67.69.129.250] has joined #linode
16:48<toyo|desk>300Mbit+
16:48<toyo|desk>yaya
16:48<notserpe>are there any linode techs around? I have a tech issue that needs some clarification.
16:48<Karrde>!op
16:48<Karrde>!ops
16:48<Karrde>and
16:48<Karrde>!ask
16:48<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
16:48<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
16:49-!-|Kyhwana| [kvirc@2001:4428:20d::4] has joined #linode
16:49<Pryon>I'll be happy when my cable TV picture doesn't have glaring compression artifacts
16:49<@mikegrb>lolz
16:49<toyo|desk>lol lol and lolz
16:49<toyo|desk>Pryon, sadly I dont watch tv that much
16:49<toyo|desk>:/
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16:49<linbot>New news from forums: Kernel fails, "close blk: backend at /local/domain/0/.. in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4528>
16:50<@jed>notserpe: what can I do for you?
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16:50<Pryon>toyo|desk: about 90% of my TV consumption is via mythtv and that's an analog signal, so it's okay. However, the higher-numbered channels (movies) I can only get digitally, and they seem to be skimpy with the bandwidth there
16:51<toyo|desk>lame
16:51<toyo|desk>:(
16:52<silverblade>hmm i misread that as "netscape"
16:52<silverblade>(notserpe)
16:53*silverblade washes his eyes and keyboard
16:53*notserpe is unaffiliated with netscrape.
16:53<@mikegrb>lolz
16:53<toyo|desk>lol
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16:56<randallman>http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_07117638000P?vName=Human+Cooking&cName=Grills+to+Cook+Babies+and+More&sName=Body+Part+Roaster
16:56<randallman>heh
16:57<randallman>They half fixed it
16:57<randallman>it used to actually dispaly 'Grills to Cook Babies' as the category :)
16:57<@jed>hah
16:57<@jed>wtf?
16:57<randallman>It shows up some kenmore gas gril
16:57<randallman>but apparently the shopping cart accepted the category name(s) from the URI :)
16:57<randallman>rather than driven from the DB :)
16:58<@jed>someone at sears loves their job
16:58<HoopyCat>you gotta cook babies low and slow, and charcoal is the best way to do that
16:58<randallman>We were thinking 'bacon explosion' with babie
16:58<randallman>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon_Explosion
16:58<Nivex>space.com's captioning system was(is?) the same way. Was rather fun having a picture captioned "Mojave Spaceport: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany."
16:59<randallman>haha
16:59<randallman><3 the star wars references :)
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17:02<randallman>http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=090820-dragon-berth-02.jpg&cap=Wow%20Look%20at%20me%20mom (yup still works)
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17:02<Nivex>:)
17:03<randallman>Seriously, something like that might be really bad for press... :)
17:04<Pryon>babby is not for roasting
17:06<notserpe>is there a way to get console logview to display more lines?
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17:06<randallman>Jesus H. Holycrap - some 'weblogic admin' just came over and asked me 'Where does the PS command live on linux'
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17:08<mwalling>notserpe: afaik, logview will dump the entire log for the prior boot out
17:09<mwalling>notserpe: are you filling your terminal's scrollback buffer?
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17:09<notserpe>no
17:10<notserpe>I'm trying to view pvgrub related messages.
17:10-!-christefano [~christefa@prod00.pvpn.sfo.witopia.net] has joined #linode
17:11<mwalling>oh, its 250 lines
17:11<christefano>is anyone having a problem selecting a distro in the Linode Manager? I only see Finnix
17:12<notserpe>I've got a problem that exactly the same kernel and initrd don't boot with pvgrub on one linode but they do on like 5 others.
17:13<notserpe>I spent some time configuring this node but I'm thinking about just deleting all the disks and profiles and starting over to see if it magically solves the problem.
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17:15<christefano>hmm, I take it nobody is having this problem.
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17:15<notserpe>christefano: nope. no problem.
17:16<christefano>weird. filing a ticket now
17:16<christefano>thanks, notserpe
17:16<BarkerJr>we did it! fremont is "Sold out."!
17:16<randallman>Californiacation ?
17:17<randallman>Hmm linodemanager not like multiple tabs
17:18*silverblade takes out a bus ticket and a metal file and starts filing the ticket
17:20<@mikegrb>lolz
17:20<Daevien>hmmm, need to look busy for 40 mins.. i'm soo unmotivated at work lately lol
17:22<@caker>christefano: where are you looking?
17:23<randallman>Heh
17:23<randallman>@ silverblade ;)
17:23<@caker>christefano: Follow these steps to get started: 1) # Use the Distro Wizard to install your first Linux configuration
17:23<@caker>christefano: with Distro Wizard being a link to: https://www.linode.com/members/linode/wizard.cfm (AKA "Deploy a Distribution")
17:24*randallman uses the distro wizard :P
17:24<@caker>Deploy a Linux Distribution, even
17:24*silverblade sighs... waiting a month for my other vps (non-linode) to be re-provisioned...
17:24*praetorian deploys windows
17:24*silverblade deploys a brown trout
17:24<randallman>hahah
17:24*Nivex deploys urmom
17:25<praetorian>!urmom
17:25<linbot>praetorian: Yo momma's so dumb, she tried to exorcize the daemons from her Linode! (751:3/1) [mromu]
17:25<randallman>'That's why helicoptors were not deployed'
17:25<randallman>!urmom vote 751 down
17:25<linbot>randallman: Yo momma's so fat, even Vista moves faster than her (828:0/4) [ommru]
17:25<randallman>Ah syntax error
17:27<christefano>thanks, caker
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17:40<SelfishMan>!urmom
17:40<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so smelly, New Jersey left HER! (741:1/0) [rmomu]
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17:47<silverblade>in Soviet Twitter, porn searches for you...
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17:48<BarkerJr>y'know, I'm kinda sad that hurricane bill isn't heading for jersey
17:48-!-Kyhwana [kvirc@2001:4428:20d::4] has joined #linode
17:48<BarkerJr>I was thinking a bath might make the area smell better
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17:50<randallman>Haha
17:50<randallman>Where's it headed
17:50<BarkerJr>canada
17:51<randallman>no shit?
17:51<BarkerJr>http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200903.html
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17:51<randallman>yeah I see
17:51<randallman>it's gonna slam Nova Scotia
17:51<BarkerJr>yeah
17:51<randallman>of course by then it'll be a wee-rainstorm
17:51<BarkerJr>do they get many hurricanes?
17:51<randallman>I dunno, I have a large call center there
17:51<randallman>I could askthem :0
17:52<BarkerJr>orange means it'll be cat 2
17:52<randallman>But it's 6:52 there now :)
17:52<randallman>so.. they went home :)
17:53<BarkerJr>not a wee-rainstorm :P
17:53<BarkerJr>are wee-rainstorms yellow?
17:53<randallman>nice :)
17:54<randallman>http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1B5_____enUS332US332&resnum=0&q=Yarmouth,+NS&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=5cWNSuO5G4rslAfIm4ygDA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1
17:54<randallman>That's where my Nova Scotia office is
17:54<randallman>looks like they'
17:54<randallman>re gonna get hammered :)
17:54<BarkerJr>ah, right on the shore
17:54<randallman>yeah they're fook'd
17:55<theGnomes>Do they have a webcam? We can tune in for a laugh.
17:55<BarkerJr>yeah
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17:56<Daevien>we don't get lots of hurricanes to nova scotia, but we do get some.. and most of the ones that still survive by the time they hit us, are nasty
17:57<Daevien>and who do you work for randal, rcom or csc? :p
17:57<BarkerJr>I bet most of yours are cat 1
17:58<Daevien>thegnomes: i'll point a webcam out the window for you :p
17:59<theGnomes>give me a url as well :)
17:59<BarkerJr>only catch is you have to keep an arm out the window squeegeeing
17:59<Daevien>so such luck, i live in a crappy attic apartment, only a couple windows that open and none on the side by water
18:01<BarkerJr>probably better that way. the flying 2x4's will come from inland, anyway
18:01<Daevien>my cousin lives even closer to the water level, just told him and he's like great just what i wanted :p
18:01*Daevien pokes randallman. which call center you run? i used to work for rcom :p
18:02<Daevien>though looking back, i see you said they went home.. so prob not rcom, since they are 24/7.. not sure on csc
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18:33<silverblade>offtopic question but interested to hear a general opinion... for small ish (a few gb at most) archive/backups, what would the most reliable form of medium be for long term storage? i personally think flash memory, particularly SD card as they have write-protection.
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18:34<jtsage>punch cards. in a fireproof safe.
18:34<jtsage>:)
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18:34<laser`>hmm
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18:34<laser`>SD cards is an interesting POV
18:35<silverblade>theyre not cheap unfortunately, but if you are archiving off some data you dont want to lose but will only want for "nostalgia", say some really old project you worked on once but abandoned for whatever reason
18:36<bd_>doesn't flash memory leak charge or something after a few years?
18:37<SelfishMan>Flash memory isn't stable over time
18:37<jtsage>huh. i was thinking the same
18:37<SelfishMan>Actually, it depends what type it is
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18:38<bd_>[citation needed]
18:38<jtsage>if it were me, and only a few gb, i'd either do external hd, or high quality dvd - after archiving them with a suitably large PAR counterpart. neither method is foolproof, but i'd hope to build enough redundancy in
18:39<SelfishMan>MLC will degrade rather fast but SLC *should* have a life of about 5 years
18:39<aaronpk>really the best thing you can do is to keep multiple copies on different types of media
18:39<SelfishMan>(real world vs. lab)
18:39<SelfishMan>Digital archival is flawed anyway
18:39<bob2>s3 man
18:39<bob2>put it in the cloud
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18:40<bob2>companies hardly ever get bored with services and end them
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18:40<aaronpk>send yourself some giant .tar files to your gmail account :P
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18:40<SelfishMan>The best bet for archival of digital data is to store on multiple formats with checksums/hashes and keep evolving/replacing the media
18:43<silverblade>ah crap
18:43<silverblade>didnt realise it leaked charge
18:43<aaronpk>yea make sure you put it in a ziploc bag so it doesn't spill your data everywhere :P
18:43<SelfishMan>It's not that it leaks charge so much as the "insulation" breaks own
18:44<silverblade>digital backups have got to be better than analog backups tho :p
18:44<SelfishMan>how?
18:44<silverblade>eh the quality :p
18:44<SelfishMan>Film from 50 years ago hasn't degraded much but the photos you stored on floppy 10 years ago are inaccessible
18:45<bob2>par + base64 + ocr font + archival paper
18:45<silverblade>m true
18:45<silverblade>you lose quality but you can at least access it i guess
18:45<bob2>how?
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18:46<SelfishMan>Hell, newspapers that were circulated and then put in walls for insulation 100 years ago are in better quality than most magnetic tapes in the last 10 years
18:46<aaronpk>it depends on the purpose of the backup. if you wanted to store a PSD file so that you could edit it again later, you can't really store that in an analog way
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18:47<SelfishMan>Even in the same media the quality is worse. The average newspaper now won't last 10 years
18:48<silverblade>heh
18:48<SelfishMan>Hard drives can't even be trusted sitting on a shelf for storing data
18:48<silverblade>mm
18:48<aaronpk>the Dollhouse seems to think they can
18:48<silverblade>I think in that case i should just stick with my RAID mirror, and an external drive as a backup
18:49<SelfishMan>People forget that there are two parts to a backup strategy. Backuping is only the first.
18:49<aaronpk>!notaverb
18:49<aaronpk>does linbot do that?
18:50<SelfishMan>!setup
18:50<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/
18:50<SelfishMan>aaronpk: That's why I said "backuping"
18:51<aaronpk>backing up?
18:51<aaronpk>like mother-in-laws vs mothers-in-law
18:52<SelfishMan>"backuping" is the smart ass respons
18:53<silverblade>is that like, the opposite of restoring down?
18:53<SelfishMan>!urmom backuping
18:53<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so old she's almost as old as Yaakov! (795:8/1) [mroum]
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18:54<euxenos>!help
18:54<linbot>euxenos: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
18:54<euxenos>!help list
18:54<linbot>euxenos: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
18:54<euxenos>!help list --private
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18:59<mwalling>euxenos: do you need help, or are you playing with the bot?
19:00<silverblade>honestly playing with your bot in private.
19:00<silverblade>or rather, other peoples bots
19:00<mwalling>sicko
19:00<silverblade>hey im not the one playing with the bot
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19:07*euxenos picks up the bot and runs away
19:07<encode>back u ping
19:07*encode amuses himself quietly in the corner
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19:23<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Migrate a Server to Your Linode <http://library.linode.com/advanced/migrate-server-to-linode>
19:23<silverblade>"you will migrate!"
19:24<@pparadis>that's right, folks! you too can move from wherever your servers live now to the bountiful land of Linode.
19:24<mwalling>so i can move from crummy north jersey to linode?
19:24<euxenos>I also want to live in linode.
19:24<@pparadis>why, you wanna work here? who wouldn't?
19:25<@pparadis>i basically live at linode.
19:25<mwalling>pparadis: as long as you have sane HVAC settings...
19:25<@pparadis>mwalling and i could really explore our relationship if he worked here.
19:25<@pparadis>we've got nice AC!
19:25<@pparadis>and nice Atlantic City too!
19:25<Nivex>but... it's in Jersey
19:25<mwalling>weee
19:25<euxenos>I want my consciousness in linnode
19:25<mwalling>what Nivex said
19:26<mwalling>pparadis: you could move to schenectady
19:26<euxenos>-n
19:26<@pparadis>South Jersey != Jersey
19:26<@pparadis>mwalling: but then i couldn't work at linode, and i would be sad.
19:26<@pparadis>North Jersey == Dirty
19:26<@pparadis>South Jersey == Nice
19:26<mwalling>HAY
19:26<@pparadis>you know you're dirty.
19:26<@pparadis>don't try to deny.
19:27<mwalling>my grandparents live in the ground in north jersey
19:27<@pparadis>i'm such an insenstive clod.
19:27*pparadis hangs his head in shame, or something resembling it.
19:27<Yaakov>I lived in New Jersey as a kid.
19:27<@pparadis>I LOVE YOU WITH A BURNING PASSIONATE FLAME OF DESIRE MY ONE TRUE MAN YAAKOV
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19:28<euxenos>Would I be able to create a linode with backtrack 4 so I can use it to complete a certification
19:28<mwalling>!customhowto
19:28<linbot>How to deploy a custom distro to your Linode: http://thegrebs.com/~michael/custom_howto/
19:29<mwalling>also, see "TOS"
19:29<euxenos>Ah, thank you.
19:29<mwalling>!tos
19:29<linbot>http://www.linode.com/tos.cfm
19:29<euxenos>I know, I have security clearance you can trust me.
19:29<mwalling>although i think theres a library article on custom_howto
19:29<@pparadis>there is
19:30<mwalling>then !customhowto should be remapped
19:30<@pparadis>indeed
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19:42<LadyNikon>lulz
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19:50<silverblade>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W5tpbTJ7V8
19:50<@mikegrb>lolz
19:50<silverblade>wow :D lol
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20:06<HoopyCat>20:01 [linode:@dr_botzo:2] I HAVE A JAY LENO/DAVID LETTERMAN CLIP MAKING A HWACHA IN THIS OBVIOUSLY LINUX-FOCUSED CHANNEL (THIS IS #LINODE, I'VE BEEN CHECKING.
20:06<HoopyCat>oh crap, the internet has found us
20:06<bob2>...
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20:08<@jed>http://twitter.com/dr_botzo/statuses/3438460500
20:09<@jed>I read that a few minutes ago
20:09<@jed>that's a strange bot
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20:10<HoopyCat># Bio eliza and i do cocaine
20:11<Alucard>THIS GUY HAS AN EXPLANATION OF THE SCREEN, AND ONE OF ENGLISH'S MANY STUPIDITIES.
20:12<aaronpk>WHY SO MUCH CAPS
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20:14<HoopyCat>aaronpk: I RECOMMEND ADJUSTING YOUR CSS TO CONTAIN TEXT-TRANSFORM:LOWERCASE
20:15<@jed>i saw something like this on identica
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20:15<@jed>that's great, twitter's going to turn into an irc hub and a bunch of bots talking to each other
20:15<@jed>andnothingofvaluewaslost
20:16<HoopyCat>i'm still amazed at how much bandwidth twitter polling consumes
20:16<aaronpk>they have a super secret api with methods like "firehose" where they shoot data at you as fast as you can eat it
20:21<HoopyCat>8 HTTP queries
20:22<aaronpk>to poll twitter?
20:22<HoopyCat>yup
20:22<laser`>8?
20:22<mwalling>8?
20:23<HoopyCat>i just ngrepped as Net::Twitter did its thing
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20:23<@jed>?8
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20:23<aaronpk>8?
20:23<laser`>What are the 8?
20:23<bob2>8‽
20:24<laser`>I just imagined it'd be 3
20:24<laser`>One for timeline, one for replies, one for DMs
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20:25<HoopyCat>hang on, waiting for next poll
20:25<mwalling>HoopyCat: /twitter_updates
20:25<mwalling>fires it now
20:26<HoopyCat>mwalling: i know; i want it to happen naturally
20:26<mwalling>i wanted your mom to happen naturally
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20:27<HoopyCat>you know, mwalling, it's libel per se if you falsely impute a lack of chastity
20:27<Pryon>¿8?
20:27<mwalling>HoopyCat: too many big words
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20:29<HoopyCat> 136 820 19223 /tmp/twitterpoll.txt
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20:31<HoopyCat>oops, that just caught two of the queries
20:32<teef>jed: re-twitter bots talking to each other, generating endless streams of inane crap. How will we tell it's not just twitter?
20:32<teef></flame>
20:33<HoopyCat>@teef i made money at home solving my endless streams of inane crap problem and you can too http://bit.ly/b00bc00nt
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20:34<mwalling>need to get xllr5 talking to this dr_botzo
20:36<teef>HoopyCat: a puffer fish?
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21:05<mwalling>anyone else in newark having a hell of a time connecting to proxy01.sipphone.com?
21:06<aaronpk>yea actually
21:06<aaronpk>but not in newark
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21:06<mwalling>good, im not the only one
21:06<aaronpk>oh now i'm connected
21:06<mwalling>i've been bouncing more then a 2 year old with a bounce house
21:06<mwalling>[Aug 20 21:06:26] NOTICE[3346]: chan_sip.c:12523 handle_response_peerpoke: Peer 'sipphone_you' is now Reachable. (97ms / 2000ms)
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21:07*mwalling considers adding a nagios check for it
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21:09<amitz>Page up / Page down on irssi is moving a half screen not a full screen, which makes reading log painful. How to set it to jump at one full screen?
21:09<HslpGuise>so i am trying to set up ftp server so i can upgrade the plugins in wordpress automatically from the admin. How would i do that? I installed vsftp and i am lost
21:10<mwalling>HslpGuise: dont use ftp
21:10<HslpGuise>what should i use then
21:10<mwalling>HslpGuise: you can make the wordpress install owned by the webserver's user, then wordpress will do auto updates
21:11<HslpGuise>it is but then when i put info for the sftp it doesnt want to connect
21:11<Palintheus>amitz: /set scroll_page_count
21:12<mwalling>if the wordpress files are owned by the webserver user, it doesnt use ftp at all
21:12<Palintheus>amitz: I personally use -1
21:12<mwalling>and ftp != sftp, so no, it cant "just work"
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21:13<amitz>Palintheus: what's a -1? as many as number of rows in current screen?
21:13<Palintheus>it sets it so that the top line is at the bottom when you page up
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21:13<HslpGuise>ok so what would be the webserver user? Thanks. I am running lighttpd, Ubuntu
21:13<mwalling>amitz: or hit pageup twice
21:14<mwalling>HslpGuise: ps aux | grep lighttpd
21:14<mwalling>HslpGuise: the first column of "ps aux" is the user (run 'ps aux | head -n1' to see the column headers
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21:14<amitz>Palintheus: nice, it also adjusts the jump depending on my console size on the fly. mwalling, hmm.. a good alternative.
21:15<mwalling>amitz: :)
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21:16<HslpGuise>ooo ok, now what would be an easy way to just change the owner of the files? I want directories and files to go to www-data then
21:16<mwalling>man chown
21:16<repnop>irgeek isn't ircing anymore?
21:16<mwalling>vacation
21:16<repnop>ahhh
21:16<mwalling>or somethng like that
21:16<repnop>how you guys been
21:17<aaronpk>HslpGuise: chown -R apache:apache wordpress
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21:18<Yaakov>irgeek is on a secret mission.
21:18<mwalling>aaronpk: [Aug 20 21:17:52] NOTICE[3346]: chan_sip.c:15661 sip_poke_noanswer: Peer 'sipphone_you' is now UNREACHABLE! Last qualify: 132
21:18<mwalling>aaronpk: also, HslpGuise just figured out his server's user was not apache
21:18<amitz>to build a DC in Hawaii.
21:18<repnop>haha
21:18<aaronpk>oops
21:19<repnop>i forget...are linodes prorated if you dont have it for a full month?
21:19<repnop>e.g. i have my 360
21:19<repnop>i start a 540, move data then kill the 360 (rather than use support to switch it)
21:19<aaronpk>repnop: yes. i had a linode for just a day and was billed ~ $0.75
21:19<repnop>if i do that over a weekend i wont get charged $50 for the month right...
21:20*repnop waits for caker, jed or mikegrb :p
21:21<HoopyCat>repnop: yes; cancelling a linode proratedly credits your linode account
21:21<repnop>ok
21:21<repnop>since they only do billing the 1st of the month right
21:21<HoopyCat>repnop: or when you do something that causes your account to need moar moneys (e.g. adding a linode)
21:21<repnop>i figure if i'm going to have to take down my linode for kernel upgrade might as well upgrade ;)
21:22<BarkerJr>HoopyCat: http://infinity-infinity.com/2009/06/sniffing-browser-history-with-css/
21:22<repnop>to a 540
21:23<mwalling>HoopyCat, repnop, and aaronpk are all blue
21:23<repnop>blue?
21:24<mwalling>mwalling@youtoo:~$ echo "21:23 < mwalling> HoopyCat, repnop, and aaronpk are all blue" | grep -q blue; echo $?
21:24<mwalling>0
21:24<repnop>my vps been up 174 days, haven't had any issues with linode :)
21:28<BarkerJr>I kill my VPSes regularly
21:28<mwalling>aaronpk: you lose sipphone?
21:29*repnop is lazy
21:29<aaronpk>yea, in the middle of a call :(
21:29<mwalling>no one on twitter or gizmo's forums are complaining
21:29<mwalling>i thought i had broken something
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21:32<repnop>so no one from linode here though?
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21:32<aaronpk>repnop: want me to send you a copy of my latest invoice? :P
21:32<repnop>aaronpk: not that
21:32<repnop>i have a question regarding bandwidth quota and that
21:32<repnop>i've used about 80% of my 360 quota
21:32<repnop>i wonder if i did that switch this weekend how much bw i'd have to use
21:33<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:33<repnop>CAKE!
21:33<repnop>;)
21:34<HoopyCat>repnop: if you're not changing datacenters, zero (if you use the 192.168.128.0/17 network). if you clone your image(s) to the new linode, zero. :-)
21:34<repnop>er
21:34<repnop>i mean if i switch from a 360 to a 540
21:34<repnop>what is my quota for the month
21:34<repnop>should be higher than 200GB
21:34<repnop>but lower than 300GB right?
21:34<repnop>so i'm wondering...
21:35<bob2>prorata
21:35<bob2>but its a soft cap anyway
21:35<bob2>soft like butter
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21:35<repnop>ah soft cap hm
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21:37<BarkerJr>yeah, I run tor nodes at 40mbits 24/7 and noone complains
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21:37<repnop>hahaha
21:37*repnop hates you for running a tor node
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21:37<BarkerJr>be nice :)
21:37<repnop>well i only see tor traffic when some kid is trying to mess with a network
21:37<repnop>:)
21:38<repnop>tor = free proxy to most people
21:38<BarkerJr>iranians and chinese need free proxies
21:39<repnop>fair enough
21:39<repnop>i still hate tor traffic when it involves me :)
21:40<bob2>no different to some idiot on a home dsl line or rented server
21:40<@jed>http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=776296
21:40<@jed>Back on Wing Commander 1 we were getting an exception from our EMM386 memory manager when we exited the game. We'd clear the screen and a single line would print out, something like "EMM386 Memory manager error. Blah blah blah." We had to ship ASAP. So I hex edited the error in the memory manager itself to read "Thank you for playing Wing Commander."
21:40<amitz>bob2: soft like butter probably because linode bandwidth payment doesn't pay by quota, but by bandwidth size (or not at all).
21:40<@jed>^ best hack I've ever read
21:40<bob2>you're still not going to get help from the relevant abuse@ before it is too late
21:40<repnop>jed: haha slick
21:41<repnop>so jed if i upgrade from a 360 to 540 and use >200GB this month i shouldn't worry?
21:42<@jed>depends on how far "> 200 GB" you mean
21:42<repnop>at most 225GB or so
21:42<@jed>you'll probably be fine
21:42<@jed>we'll open a ticket if not
21:42<repnop>k
21:43<repnop>good to know :)
21:43<astronut>hey jed (asking you sinc eyou're the @ talking right now) - have you guys ever thought about a free transfer period immediately after the purchase of a linode?
21:43<astronut>for setup and such?
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21:43<BarkerJr>but repnop, maybe the chinese couldn't visit your site but through tor
21:44<astronut>i had several gigabytes of data and such to transfer to my linode, plus all the interaction i did (though i guess ssh is almost nothing but still)
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21:44<repnop>BarkerJr: yeah thats cool, good for them if they use it.
21:44<repnop>i've never had legitimate tor traffic come to any network i have to deal with
21:44<repnop>always been some kid trying to grief people
21:44<repnop>so i just kill all tor endpoints and call it a day
21:44<bob2>astronut: thus you still have >95% of your allocation for the month left
21:45<bob2>astronut: 200GB is probably only reachable by <10% of linode users
21:45<BarkerJr>your lost customers :/
21:45<repnop>no customer uses tor
21:45<repnop>so i dont see how that would be relevent
21:45<BarkerJr>course not, cause you block them
21:45<@jed>astronut: I tend to agree with bob2 here
21:45<astronut>bob2: sure, i doubt i'll hit it, but it just seems like a nice enticement
21:46<astronut>maybe somthing like free .5*size(linode)
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21:46<astronut>or even .25
21:46<bob2>why bother?
21:46<BarkerJr>it'd be better if you put tor users in a different class
21:46<@jed>we've never had many bandwidth problems, to be honest
21:46<BarkerJr>require registration or something
21:46<HoopyCat>astronut: get a linode towards the end of the month :-)
21:46<astronut>bob2: i dunno, ifeel like someone serving data out of a linode has to get it there and such
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21:46<astronut>HoopyCat: data transfer is calandar month?
21:46<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: we file tor users as read-only
21:47<BarkerJr>that's what wikipedia does, too
21:47<repnop>they still have that service you can query to get a list of all the tor exit points?
21:47<HoopyCat>astronut: it's like being born every mailman day
21:47<BarkerJr>they have a dnsbl
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21:47<repnop>nice
21:47<HoopyCat>repnop: http://github.com/rtucker/torcheck/tree/master
21:47<astronut>HoopyCat: haha
21:48<astronut>apparently rsync was pretty effective at compression, my total bandwidth is less than half of the big data set
21:48<astronut>HoopyCat: i guess if end-of-month thing works it's no big deal
21:48<astronut>i feel like it's just a nice enticement or w/e
21:48<repnop>HoopyCat: thanks
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21:48<astronut>just sounds like a customer-friendly thing to do
21:49<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:49<repnop>the free cake should be enticement enough!
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21:49<HoopyCat>astronut: they're in it for the long-term relationship
21:49<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:49<astronut>free cake?
21:49<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:49<astronut>i didn't hear anything about cake
21:49<repnop>yeah, you send cake to linode because they rule
21:49<astronut>i take it that's a script and you just said it to set him off?
21:49<astronut>hmm, the last one didn't do it
21:50<supine>astronut: it would less effort to ignore the excess for those that do go over than to increase your first month allowance
21:50<astronut>supine: ah
21:50<astronut>supine: ya, sure, though advertising that is the whole customer-focused thing
21:50<BarkerJr>repnop: https://www.torproject.org/tordnsel/
21:50<astronut>supine: best way to get people to like you: be really generous with tiny things that don't matter
21:51<repnop>thanks for the info everyone, time to spend time with the wife
21:51<astronut>wtf are the units on the lefthand side of the cpu graph?
21:51<astronut>600 m?
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21:52<HoopyCat>astronut: that'd be 600 millipercent
21:52<HoopyCat>astronut: (blame rrd for being obtuse)
21:53<astronut>haha, nice
21:53<HoopyCat>astronut: usually people freak out on the other end when it goes over 100%...
21:53<HoopyCat>"wtf!! how can it be over 100%!!"
21:54<astronut>multicore!
21:54<astronut>or >100% of the reserve for that xen?
21:55<astronut>hmm... trying to think of a linode/ec2 mashup
21:55<astronut>ah-ha, got one
21:55<HoopyCat>astronut: 100% == full qi of one host CPU, so 400% is the max
21:55<astronut>ah
21:56<astronut>so ec2 is great for elastcicity, but linode is much cheaper for persistence
21:56<astronut>so use a linode to control an ec2 scalling or w/e
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21:58<HoopyCat>astronut: baseline and peak :-)
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21:59<astronut>HoopyCat: hmm?
22:00<HoopyCat>astronut: think electricity... you've got baseline load (e.g. all the stuff that's there long-term no matter the time of day or immediate weather), then you've got peak load (50 million air conditioners on a hot day)
22:00<supine>"(11:50:59) astronut: supine: best way to get people to like you: be really generous with tiny things that don't matter" <-- actually Linode win people over by being awesome at the stuff that really matters
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22:01<amitz>supine: like !urmom feature of linbot
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22:02<@mikegrb>lolz
22:02<amitz>automated lol for instant gratification :-p
22:02<HoopyCat>!flux
22:02<linbot>HoopyCat: Current solar flux: magnetic 9.38e+01 nT (GOES-12), xray 3.73e-09 W/m^2 (GOES-10)
22:02<HoopyCat>truly, linbot gives a flux
22:02<astronut>supine: that works too
22:03<supine>:-)
22:03*astronut has been happy so far, though it's only been a few days
22:03<astronut>moved mail and irc over, web is yet-to-come
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22:04<supine>we could start "I've been here $TIME" thread but we should just cut to the chase and let irgeek tell us how long he's been a customer...
22:04*HoopyCat watches googlebot flail about following realignment of blog URLs
22:06<HoopyCat>great, a line of severe storms is moving in right at bedtime. my wife is gonna be pissed.
22:07*astronut likes storms
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22:10<Internat>anyone know of a version of ssh 4.4 that will work on centos 5?
22:10<Internat>when i say version, i mean respository..
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22:11<bob2>why do you want a specific version of openssh?
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22:19<HoopyCat>astronut: me too, but they make my pager go craaaazy
22:20<amitz>HoopyCat: looks at the bright side. More stuff to fix = she is gonna stay home longer :-)
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22:24<HoopyCat>amitz: it's actually just notifications of weather warnings... i'm disquieted by bright flashes of light and earth-shattering asplosions if they aren't followed by some sort of text message
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22:29<HoopyCat>http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/ <--- oh neat, the tornado warning polygon is small and nested within a severe thunderstorm warning polygon
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22:30<amitz>maybe the thunderstom uh...less significant than tornado :-)
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22:31<amitz>wait, the other way around.
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22:32<amitz>japanese animations / comics often have this idea that you can blow away a tornado by proper manipulation in the tornado's eye. Is that physically feasible?
22:33<HoopyCat>uhh
22:34<HoopyCat>well, personally, i've generally been able to keep tornadoes from forming by carrying a camera
22:34<dcraig>I use a penetrating stare
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22:38<HoopyCat>http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/svrwx/090725/tornadoesJuly25_2009.htm <--- a post-mortem of the batch of tornadoes that occurred while i was out of town
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22:40<amitz>HoopyCat: that's another power at work. "Shit won't happen when you want it to happen"
22:42<amitz>so many information for a tornado..
22:42<amitz>s/do/does/
22:45<HoopyCat>amitz: nod... we, uhh, don't get a lot of tornadoes in these parts, so they kinda write 'em up good
22:46<waldo_>ef0
22:47<waldo_>that's adorable
22:51*HoopyCat grabs a copy of the Iowa Tornado Statistics, 1980-2008
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22:54<HoopyCat>Path Length of All Tornadoes: 5198.4 miles. Average Width: 71.5 yards. (that's nearly 211.2 square miles, or the land mass of absecon, new jersey sucked clean 1.3 times a year!)
22:55<HoopyCat>(or des moines, where i used to live, sucked clean every 10.2 years)
22:56<beginner22>hi
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22:56<beginner22>This is off topic but if someone minds answering: what does that mean when a host uses "mod_bwlimited" in their apache server, such as here: "pache/2.2.11 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8i DAV/2 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635" (from a header check)
22:57<bob2>that they have loaded that module
22:57<bob2>it tells you nothing about whether it does anything
22:57<bob2>" I believe it's a built in cPanel module that limits bandwidth usage on a per host / per vHost basis (from memory). "
22:58<bob2>so it probably tells you their system is vulnerable to cpanel-related stuff
22:58*mwalling considers adding "mod_urmom/1.3.37" to his lighty version string
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22:59<beginner22>hehe
22:59<beginner22>ok, ty
23:01<HoopyCat>annnnnnd the storm has gone lame
23:01<mwalling>urmom has...
23:01<mwalling>i'm tired
23:03<HoopyCat>me too. bedtime, mwalling?
23:04<mwalling>sure sexy
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23:09<groulder>bedtime?
23:09<groulder>it's 1pm
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23:14<groulder>anyone here used ms live mesh?
23:15<amitz>it's 10AM! Unbelievably lazy bum.
23:20<chesty>1pm? sheesh, almost time to get up
23:24<amitz>what's missing is a term based messenger for yahoo..
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23:24<linbot>New news from wiki: Apache2 SSL in Ubuntu <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Apache2_SSL_in_Ubuntu>
23:26<mwalling>? bitlbee still works
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23:27<amitz>mwalling: it's really worth it to throw random thought on #linode. thank you! :-)
23:28<Aetasiric>Hey, any of you know the estimated time in which linode rebuilds their zone files?
23:29<groulder>why is everyone i ask
23:29<groulder>nobody has use ms live mesh
23:29<groulder>it looks good yet nobody uses it
23:29<groulder>with office live i expect it'll crush google.
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23:33<amitz>groulder: you probably ask the wrong bunch here :-)
23:33<mwalling>Aetasiric: from the web interface, on the quarter hour. if you're having linode slave, i think its within a few minutes of the NOTIFY
23:34<mwalling>oh, hes gone
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23:47<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
23:47<danrez>hello, how can i install gcc on slackware linode?
23:47<danrez>wow
23:47<bob2>http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=590716
23:47<bob2>^ first hit on google for 'how do I install gcc on slackware'
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23:55<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
23:55<danrez>mike: why dont use slackware?
23:55<danrez>dup
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23:57<Smark>danrez, its a script
23:57<Maine>any Linode techs on? dallas64 is having horrible disk latency again
23:57<Maine>getting very tired of the disk latency
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