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---Logopened Mon Aug 24 00:00:25 2009
00:00<amitz>say, what a suggested static html builder? Like microsoft word? That works on window?
00:01*HedgeMage shudders
00:01<HedgeMage>wysiwyg editors in general are trouble.
00:01<amitz>I fear using microsoft word will make the page unrenderable by other browser :-p
00:02<mwalling>have you ever seen word-html?
00:02<amitz>HedgeMage: just for simple page building, it shouldn't cause much trouble :-)
00:02<amitz>mwalling: googling word-html.
00:02<mwalling>er
00:02<mwalling>i meant the html that word makes
00:03<amitz>oh, you mean that. actually no but I don't have word in front of me right now so can't test it.
00:04<mwalling>put it this way... (no critisim from the peanut gallery) if i run 'links -dump
00:04<mwalling>' over our docs, and add up that, its about 3 megs
00:04<mwalling>if i compress the html files with LZMA, its 50 megs
00:05<mwalling>(where 'the html files' are exported from word docs
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00:07<amitz>mwalling: woah, maybe your docs' page size is too small?
00:08<amitz>size per page.
00:10<jtsage>amitz- word is... ugh... 'liberal' with the inline style tags... to say the least. it bloats the html a wee bit.
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00:12<amitz>jtsage: oh, I'm guessing it's like they want to PDF-ing the document with html.
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00:14<jtsage>exact pixel reproduction is part of it. really, once you get into positioned elements, wysiwyg html is no easy task.
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00:18<amitz>that's it, the solution is using flash muahahaha
00:19<jtsage>as long as you don't want me to look at it, or have it indexed, sure :)
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00:47<Andrew>egh, anyone know any free easy website CMS installation services like fantastico, or simple scripts (without the limitation of 3 installs). Person i'm sharing my account with wants one :(
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01:06<armbruster>guys, for some reason, my linode can't get to us.archive.ubuntu.com to update.
01:06<armbruster>and i'm honestly confused. it's not down, my linode just can't connect to it.
01:06<armbruster>times out.
01:07<palintheus>where is your node?
01:07<Andrew>it works here.. could also be though that one of the addresses in the round robin are dodgy..
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01:08<Andrew>Whats it resolving it?
01:10<Andrew>2nd it = to?
01:10<armbruster>it's in dallas.
01:10<palintheus>!mtr-dallas us.archive.ubuntu.com
01:11<armbruster>oh, wait, it's back up.
01:11<linbot>palintheus: timed out
01:11<armbruster>downtime.
01:11<palintheus>probably a server in the round robin like Andrew suggested
01:11<Andrew>because here it resolves to jackass.* and that works. (I'm CA)
01:12<Andrew>Ca linode I mean
01:12<armbruster>okay, thanks.
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01:12<palintheus>I know there are a couple uk servers, since they don't have enough in the rotation in the us
01:12<palintheus>or used to be...
01:13<Andrew>that reminds me.. The default deb-src debian server in sources for the CA linnode doesn't work
01:14<Andrew>Not sure if its the same for everyone
01:14<Andrew>got a new one anyway, but just mentioning it..
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01:38<amitz>pparadis: there should be a tutorial for setting up irssi with screen. :-)
01:41<SelfishMan>amitz: there is
01:41<SelfishMan>!google irssi screen howto
01:41<linbot>SelfishMan: Search took 0.35 seconds: A Guide to Efficiently Using Irssi and Screen | quadpoint.org: <http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi>; An Illustrated Guide to Split Windows in Irssi | quadpoint.org: <http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssisplit>; Startup HOWTO - Irssi - The client of the future: <http://irssi.org/documentation/startup>; Irssi - The client of the future: (2 more messages)
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01:42<amitz>SelfishMan: I know, I'm referring to library.linode.com
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02:14<User23423>HELllllllloooooooooooooo linode!
02:14<User23423>i <heart3 linode
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02:18<amitz>User23423: me too but too bad I'm already married :-p
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02:18<User23423>amitz: you are not linode
02:19<amitz>but I love linode.
02:19<User23423>u is a fraud.
02:19<amitz>I lover linode so much that #linode is the only channel I'm currently lurking in.
02:20<amitz>s/lover/love
02:20<amitz>User23423: what proof do you have to offer?
02:20<amitz>my love is pure!
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02:30<ShakE>hello to all
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02:31<ShakE>i have a question about the CPU of dallas44
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02:33<Andrew>probably best to ask straight out
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02:34<Andrew>thar be lurkers
02:35<SelfishMan>!community
02:35<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
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02:36<ShakE>i need to know is there a way to work more faster
02:36<Andrew>Whats working slowly shake?
02:37<SelfishMan>MOAR?!?
02:37<ShakE>the mysql database
02:37<ShakE>i want to optimize the speed of the mysql database, becouse i'm running a cronjob that takes 5minutes to complete
02:37<SelfishMan>optimize it and stop swapping
02:37<ShakE>and on my home pc it takes 30seconds
02:37<SelfishMan>disk thrashing will kill performance and large operations in mysql will be slow if you can't cache the whole dataset in ram
02:37<Andrew>yeah.. have you checked the ram usage?
02:37<ShakE>my homepc is windows based not a server, and it completes faster than the linode server
02:38<SelfishMan>ShakE: What does the IO graph show for peak during that time and what is the daily average?
02:39<ShakE>peak is 40
02:39<ShakE>on the IO graph
02:39<SelfishMan>40 or 40k?
02:40<ShakE>IO rate
02:40<SelfishMan>If the peak is only 40 then you have a really poorly designed query or poorly designed tables
02:40<SelfishMan>(or both)
02:40<ShakE>they are really poor i know that
02:41<SelfishMan>then the issue isn't really cpu
02:41<ShakE>the problem is that they take less time on my heavy loaded windows PC than the linode server...and i was thinking if there is a way to optimize it
02:42<SelfishMan>if the host load shows as idle or low then it isn't a host performance problem
02:42<SelfishMan>I guess it is possible that someone else is hitting the IO hard but host load will usually increase when that happens
02:43<ShakE>ok thanks
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02:47<Keith-BlindUser>I wonder how difficult it would be for someone to generate a nice HTML page with a simpol formatted table showing the daily graphs of Linode throug hthe API? The graphs are completely inaccessible to screen readers for the blind/visually impared.
02:49<Andrew>Another thing I'd be interested in, is the popularity of different distro's that are active on linode
02:49<amitz>Keith-BlindUser: can you recommend a good introduction on accessibility compatible HTML?
02:49<Keith-BlindUser>Well
02:49<Keith-BlindUser>I can tell you this much.
02:50<Keith-BlindUser>Most of Linodes stuff uses section headers, tables, etc. The control pannel app is quite useful. I.e. the button "boot" shutwodn, etc, are labled form conrols. The checkboxes are labled also. The main table that shows your total network transfer is fine. Same with sign-up pages etc.
02:51<Keith-BlindUser>But what happens on any of the graphs, is that I'll get something like: "Graphic CPU graph" from the screen reader. It's not labled, not presented in a table where it shows the information in collems/ros etc, or something.
02:51<Keith-BlindUser>I asked Linode support a while back. They've suggested that someone might be able to develop something through the new Linode API.
02:52<aaronpk>do you have any examples of graphs that are easily interpreted auditorily? i have no idea what that would look like
02:52<aaronpk>s/look/sound
02:52<Keith-BlindUser>But the point is that to render anything like this properly for a screen reader, either the graphics need to be labled with alt-tag text explaining in more detail what the CPU graph is (with a percentage such as 5% or someting) or...not sure. It really depends.
02:53<Keith-BlindUser>Well, have you ever seen a graphic with an alt-tag lable for it?
02:53<Keith-BlindUser>For instance,
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02:55<Keith-BlindUser>On one assistive tech page, there are some graphics that show up to the screen reader s asomthing like: "Decrease Text Siz"
02:55<Keith-BlindUser>erm size
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02:55<Keith-BlindUser>The code for some of these graphics:
02:56<Keith-BlindUser>Then, after that
02:56<Keith-BlindUser>/images/text_size_down.jpg"
02:57<Keith-BlindUser>Then,
02:57<Keith-BlindUser>our alt-tag that explains what a graphic loks like:
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02:58<Keith-BlindUser>ALT="Decrease Text Size"></SPAN> <SPAN onClick="fontSize('up');" STYLE="center; cursor: pointer;"><IMG SRC="
02:58<amitz>Keith-BlindUser: maybe we can just output list of numbers at every point of time, should be easy. Or I'm thinking of streaming sound that represents the graph. High sound means higher position.
02:59<Keith-BlindUser>The point is that the alt-tag explains in more detail to us what the Graphic is. Problem though is that simply explaining that we're viewing a network graphic or something isn't useful. It would more useful to present the actual percentages. I am suggesting a simpol table layout over graphics, simply because a nicely organized tabl
03:00<Keith-BlindUser>table would be a better idea. You could have something like: Well...to get an idea, take a look at the sign-up table on Linode.com where it says "Select your plan" see how that source code was written. That able for instance, is quite accessible.
03:00<bliblok>The text line would probably help. "CPU Pct Max: 3.24% Avg:1.17% Last:0.94%" (Data from my linode)
03:00<aaronpk>Keith-BlindUser: is it easier to interpret a list of numbers, or is changing the pitch or volume more indicative of a graph?
03:00<Keith-BlindUser>Usually a list of numbers. For instance.
03:01<Keith-BlindUser>To show us the percentage of the CPU usage graph
03:01<Keith-BlindUser>You could do a list with several bullited items such as:
03:01<Keith-BlindUser>Maybe it starts with 5%.
03:01<Keith-BlindUser>So you put that there.
03:01<Keith-BlindUser>Then you keep going.
03:02<Keith-BlindUser>The screen-reader is smart enough to put the list into the virtual buffer that it uses, (we're not actually) using a cursor as such, more like a virtual cursor to read PDF/HTML/etc.
03:03<Keith-BlindUser>Picture a virtual buffer, that once the page is downloaded brings the page into focuss, performs decolonization of the page, goes and presents it to us in a nice simpol layout. When we encounter a list, it usually says "List of X items"
03:03<Keith-BlindUser>woops..
03:04<Keith-BlindUser>But the point is
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03:04<Keith-BlindUser>Those things usually work uot. If you give a table to us with 9 collums and X rows we'll here that first.
03:04<Keith-BlindUser>We also have control with screen readers on if we want to see the layout as it is on the screen or have the "simpol layout" as well.
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03:05<Keith-BlindUser>Just some ideas.
03:06<Keith-BlindUser>As long as you code your HTML properly, taking care that you think about alt-tagging your images, etc, rather than not labeling them, labeling form feeleds with meanful names, offering access keys for instance:
03:06<Keith-BlindUser>It would be smart to label a search box with Alt+S (or if using firefox the convention is different) but the point is you'd do that. You'd label the box with search, then the access key. So we'd hear, "Search. Alt+S" or whatever. Then told it's an edit box by "edit"
03:08<Keith-BlindUser>One nice thing Chris could do though in the control pannel is once a checkbox is highlighted in the Linode control pannel for a VM, to assign access keys: "If the reboot button has that state, he'd show alt+R or alt-shift-r for firefox. The access key would also (if done right) click on that button as well.
03:08<Keith-BlindUser>So one need only do an alt+R and the machine's rebot button is pressed because a clcik was issued automatically.
03:08<Keith-BlindUser>erm click
03:09<Keith-BlindUser>Just some useful suggestions, none of witch should be hard, especially giving us access keys. I'm sure you all know what access keys are, I.e. Control-N opens a new document in Word/notepad whatever...etc. Well, there present on webpages as well.
03:10<Keith-BlindUser>For example, if any of you have ever taken a look at Gmail's basic HTML page, you'll notice that alt+C or alt-shift-C (and the access key will be different) depending on browser used at the time, moves to the compose link on the Gmail pages.
03:10<Keith-BlindUser>A nicer step though on ther epart for instance would be to do a click however, so that we don't have to press the enter key to do the same thing on that link.
03:10<chequers>didn't consider writing this into an email Keith-BlindUser?
03:11<Keith-BlindUser>I would suggest virtualizing a Windows machine on your PCs at home, seeing if you cen get sound, and trying a demo of Window-Eyes or JAWS for Windows...or even NVDA with firefox. That would really be the best way to test results.
03:12<Keith-BlindUser>Not really.
03:12<amitz>Keith-BlindUser: yeah, all you have typed will be lost if you don't document it. Maybe as an email or a webpage.
03:12<Keith-BlindUser>I can easily give people the important parts with this IRC log though.
03:12<Keith-BlindUser>So either way.
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03:13<Keith-BlindUser>Actually it's logged.
03:13<Keith-BlindUser>My IRC client logs all my stuff.
03:13<Keith-BlindUser>So I can easily document/display on a webpage.
03:13<Keith-BlindUser>And because it documents in plain-text, I can just well...:)
03:14<amitz>Keith-BlindUser: so maybe you put all these thought in a webpage? And change it as necessary.
03:14<Keith-BlindUser>Good ideas.
03:15*Keith-BlindUser uses a Linode to run his website. Maybe I'll upload there.
03:15<Keith-BlindUser>I find Linode to be quite powerful...it's pretty nice..even without access keys.
03:15<Keith-BlindUser>I was wondering something though about Linode.
03:15<Andrew>linode should get something like Dell ideastorm
03:16<Andrew>not that it needs it
03:16<amitz>Keith-BlindUser: let's just hope linode has a client that force linode to provide accessibility :-)
03:16<Keith-BlindUser>If you do a shutdown through the control pannel, does the Linode get a chance to save data properly? Also, if you do a shutdown from within the OS itself, will the shutdown watchdog detect this as something and rreboot it? I've been curious as to the best way to reboot/shutdown etc.
03:16<Keith-BlindUser>I have been using the control pannel for a while. But it'd be nice to issue these commands from the OS.
03:16<Keith-BlindUser>Other than booting it up again. :)
03:17<amitz>you can do booting from OS.
03:17<amitz>restart
03:17<Keith-BlindUser>And if you do a shutdown from within the OS it'll do the same thing as the shutdown button on Linode's LPM. Right?
03:18*Keith-BlindUser is curious what happens if someone is logged into there Linode via SSH at the time the shutdown button in LPM is used.
03:18<Keith-BlindUser>Does that dstill doa "broadcast message from root"
03:18<chequers>shutdown from within the OS causes lassie to try and boot your OS again
03:18<Keith-BlindUser>Ah
03:18<Keith-BlindUser>I see.
03:19<Keith-BlindUser>I also assume you don't get billed for a shutdown server, right?
03:19<Keith-BlindUser>So if you're reconfiguring it, etc...transfering data, you don't get billed for the time it's not active. I.e. suppose you shutdown your server to do stuff for one month out of that billing cycle.
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03:21<chequers>you do get billed
03:21<chequers>it's available for use
03:21<Keith-BlindUser>Makes sense.
03:21*Keith-BlindUser moans.
03:22<Keith-BlindUser>Wonder what the high-end Linode offers? Bet it's just you with noone on it.
03:22<Keith-BlindUser>the $700 thing
03:22<Keith-BlindUser>Heh
03:22<Keith-BlindUser>That main table I mentioned on the homepage needs to be updated.
03:22<Keith-BlindUser>Everything is listed but he kingsized plans. One must sign up to see those.
03:26<chequers>presumably because the uptake is so low it would reduce profit putting them on the front page :P
03:26<@mikegrb>lolz
03:26<Keith-BlindUser>LOL
03:26<Keith-BlindUser>Linode is amazing.
03:27*Keith-BlindUser notes that Linode is pretty nice even at the lowest-end plan
03:27*Keith-BlindUser currently runs Gentoo and all that stuff on that plan..although I'd like omre disk space but can't aford it currently..
03:28<Keith-BlindUser>While having full root aaccess is nice, I have taken it upon myself for Linode security to disable that access by SSH.
03:28<Keith-BlindUser>I don't want anyone in the world able to use the root user account with SSH access.
03:28*Keith-BlindUser forces all users (if they have the proper permissions) or suggests, that sudo is used.
03:29*Keith-BlindUser uses that a lot.
03:29<Keith-BlindUser>I attempted locking the root account once, found it broke everything.
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03:31<linbot>New news from forums: Change IP on a server in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4530>
03:34<amitz>Keith-BlindUser: I'm probably guilty of the doing the same mistakes but sometime the volume of what you write overwhelmed me, especially when you're on fire :-).
03:35<amitz>Sometimes I just can't catch up.
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03:43<chesty>i have curtains
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03:56<blackliteon>hello!
03:56<blackliteon>anybody here ?
03:56<checkers>no
03:57<blackliteon>:-)
03:57<blackliteon>I'm new Linode customer
03:57<checkers>welcome :)
03:57<blackliteon>But I dont understand how many CPU limit I have per month
03:57<checkers>there's no limit
03:58<blackliteon>wow
03:58<checkers>it's the normal 'as long as you don't annoy other people you can use as much as you want'
03:58<checkers>you get access to 4 cores out of the 8 available per machine
03:58<blackliteon>great!
03:58<checkers>there's info in the FAQ on the number of linodes per host
03:58<blackliteon>thanks, Checkers!
03:58<checkers>that will give you some idea of the theoretical worst case, in practise I haven't had issues using an entire core for extended periods of time
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04:00<megatron27_>tired
04:00<megatron27_>welcome :D
04:01<amitz>megatron27_: pursuing deadline?
04:01<linbot>New news from forums: Close Ticket Button in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4531>
04:01<megatron27_>yes
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04:10<amitz>megatron27_: does the prince of kelantan finally do the filem series?
04:11<amitz>film
04:11<amitz>oh, gone with the wind.
04:16<checkers>!urmom
04:16<linbot>checkers: Yo momma's so ugly Linode wouldn't go near her (827:0/2) [umrom]
04:18<Pryon>!vote 827 down
04:18<Pryon>3
04:19<Pryon>brain off
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04:19<Pryon>!urmom vote 827 down
04:19<linbot>Pryon: Yo mamma's so ugly, straterra had to chloroform HIMSELF! (797:6/0) [omrmu]
04:19<Pryon>gah
04:21<Andrew>exactly
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04:29<amitz>incoming ssh reliability test! incoming ssh reliability test! embrace yor self!
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04:36<amitz>yay, I survive unscratched.
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04:37*checkers points at sshd -t
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04:39*amitz looks at sshd -t
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04:42<amitz>hmmm s/unscratch/unscatched
04:42<amitz>checkers: testing as in my connection to ssh server degrades.
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04:43<amitz>cursed english and it's similar sounding words!
04:43<amitz>s/cursed/curse/
04:43<amitz>*sigh*
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04:44<checkers>both of those forms work actually :P
04:47<amitz>checkers: you're right :-)
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05:18<amitz>megatron27: hey I'm curiouse, does prince of kelantan finally do the film series about himself?
05:18<megatron27>don't know don't care
05:19<amitz>megatron27: no fun :-)
05:25<megatron27>what's up?
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05:43<amitz>gone again, like the wind
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06:13<Andrew>hmm.. Anyone tried Ubuntu over Debian.. I'm guessing packages are generally more up to date there?
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06:14<amitz>Andrew: yes more update but update may break old features.
06:15<amitz>in extreme cases.
06:15<Andrew>Just noticing that stuff like solr and Tomcat are ancient in the debian repos
06:18<amitz>debian has stricter criteria for a package thus packages may be old by the time they're accepted.
06:19<Andrew>yeah
06:22<Andrew>meh.. looks like solr 1.3 isn't available on ubuntu either
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06:45<Yaakov>Andrew: Use the testing repository: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/solr.html
06:46<Yaakov>That's source, but same ida.
06:46<Yaakov>idea.
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07:15<HoopyCat>http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/93903/I_m_OK_The_Bull_Is_Dead
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07:22<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] Linode vs Dedicated Host? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4519>
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08:03<amitz>HoopyCat: so why is the bull dead?
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08:23<HoopyCat>amitz: steering issue
08:24<HoopyCat>(actually, inconveniently-placed bull on a roadway vs. small automobile
08:27<HoopyCat>amitz: "Regarding the bull: My son, Raj (now the EVP of our company), was driving home in his Carmen Ghia around midnight when a bull (Texas Longhorn) broke through a wire fence and walked onto the road. Luckily for Raj, the angle of hit was such that the bull got the worst of the collision. Car's front end was damaged but Raj did not have any injuries other than minor pain. He did take a picture of the dead bull. The farmer, who owned th
08:30<amitz>hmm somehow I miss that part..
08:36<Nivex>yeah, my copy is missing that too
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08:42<HoopyCat>it's an OOB update, not in the article
08:42<Nivex>"The farmer, who owned th"
08:44<HoopyCat>e property and the bull, reimbursed our auto insurance company for the damage to the car. Gopal."
08:44<HoopyCat>i wonder if there's an irssi setting that yells at me when that happens
08:46<Nivex>probably not. irssi only alarms if the paste is over 5 lines
08:46<Nivex>that was seen as 1
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08:51<amitz>HoopyCat: irssi can autosplit the message if it passes a certain size.
08:51<amitz>with let me pull the script name
08:52<amitz>splitlong.pl
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08:59<HoopyCat>a look i shall take
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09:04<Aurora->!community
09:04<Aurora->!community
09:04<Aurora->hmm
09:04<Aurora->!register
09:04<amitz>Aurora-: what candy do you like?
09:05<Aurora->hmm
09:05<Aurora->gummy bears ;P
09:05<Aurora->!community
09:05<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
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09:09<Huitzilopochtli>what do you guys think of Linode Support Ticket 94609 ?
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09:10<mwalling>nice number
09:10<mwalling>it starts and ends with a 9
09:10<HoopyCat>it's a zip code in oakland, california; it's odd; it's almost certainly not prime but i can't be arsed to check; it's the designator for an asteroid discovered by LINEAR in november 2001...
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09:11<HoopyCat>why do you ask?
09:12<Huitzilopochtli>just wondering
09:12<Huitzilopochtli>what pays more , your linode job or your standup comedian job ?
09:12<mwalling>you realize that only people with access to the ticket can access the ticket, right?
09:13<mwalling>!ops
09:13<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
09:13<Huitzilopochtli>nah i had no idea
09:14<waldo_>apparently.
09:14<waldo_>HoopyCat's right, though. it's a /very/ nice number.
09:15<@jed>HoopyCat: /set paste_verify_line_count
09:17<HoopyCat>i actually pay good money to be here
09:17*mwalling too
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09:17<mwalling>i pay $60/mo
09:18<waldo_>i'm here for the atmosphere.
09:18<HoopyCat>jed: 'tis set to 5, which i believe is the limit of newlines in a paste without freaking... looking more for it to yell at my tendency to paste really, really long lines
09:18<mwalling>i'm here for urmom
09:18<@jed>Huitzilopochtli: you'd be better off asking that question here
09:18<@jed>we provide support for the service, and what you set up within your linode is your purview
09:18<waldo_>HoopyCat: that's not really what you want, then. your understanding is correct.
09:19<waldo_>thanks, jed. just shove the loser back here.
09:19<@jed>waldo_: since when is a customer a loser?
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09:19<mwalling>jed: what am i?
09:19<waldo_>since i haven't got my coffee in me yet.
09:19<@jed>I haven't had my coffee yet either, and I still know better than to badmouth a customer looking for help
09:19<mwalling>*cough*
09:19<mwalling>jed: <3
09:19<@jed>Huitzilopochtli: ask your question here, you will be better off
09:20<@jed>mwalling: resident asshole :)
09:20<MJCS>good morning angels
09:20<HoopyCat>Huitzilopochtli: there's 265 of us and only 8 of them. AND i've already had my coffee. :-)
09:20<mwalling>jed: yes, but i'm not +o :)
09:20<HoopyCat>!coffee <--- 'tho i could use more
09:20*linbot dispenses coffee
09:20<Huitzilopochtli>anyone gotten web load balancing working, for example linode 1 would be the front end, and linode 2 and 3 would be web servers behind it ? ive tried using LVS ( keepalived and ldirectord) but can't get it to work. maybe there is some strange XEN setting that breaks LVS
09:21<HoopyCat>Huitzilopochtli: all three linodes in the same datacenter, all three can reach each other via the 192.168.128.0/17 network?
09:22<Huitzilopochtli>yes
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09:22<mwalling>"it dont work" is not a valid problem description
09:23<HoopyCat>Huitzilopochtli: what happens when it doesn't work?
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09:24<hawk>mwalling: It's ambiguous too
09:24<mwalling>also, why something so seemingly low level for http load balancing?
09:25<amitz>Huitzilopochtli: what happens instead when it doesn't work?
09:25<Daevien>in a channel with (mostly) experienced admins... of course users will be referred to as lusers or other terms of "affection" :p
09:25<Huitzilopochtli>mwalling: what would you use instead for web load balancing ?
09:26<mwalling>Huitzilopochtli: something more http based... lighty,apache,nginx... something like that
09:26<Daevien>nginx has lot of uses for stuff like that
09:26<mwalling>i like using screwdrivers for driving screws, not leathermans
09:28<supine>i was trying to help Huitzilopochtli the other day with this. using ipvs because it's what they know. despite all the right things being shown by ipvsadm the load balancer was handling the connection locally.
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09:30<Huitzilopochtli>it doesn't work... dunno why. ill try pound or nginx now then
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09:32<Daevien>as stated above, "it doesn't work" is not an answer that we can really help with solving. would you go to the doctor and say I don't feel well. and then refuse to talk or do anything except demand a cure?
09:33<Huitzilopochtli>Daevien: true. I'm too tired right now to explain it all. sorry to bother you. as supine noticed, I have painfully described every step of my problem and attempted solutions in this channel, a few days ago.
09:33<amitz>HoopyCat: I thought the lack of "instead" may sound sarcastic :-)
09:34<mwalling>Huitzilopochtli: the collection of people (and knowlege they posess) in this channel is an ever-changing set.
09:34<Daevien>nginx is a solution that should function fairly easily if all the ips can talk to each other
09:35<@jed>nginx can, indeed, do some mind-blowing stuff
09:36<HoopyCat>Huitzilopochtli: that's usually a sign that you might have better luck in a more specific channel related to LVS, or else it's time to try a more commonly-used solution. (or a forum post might be in order; IRC is quite real-time, so anything that happened more than 18 minutes ago has already scrolled off my screen)
09:36<Huitzilopochtli>i think it's a linode specific problem, but maybe LVS and Xen and linode just wont fit my needs. ill try nginx
09:37<HoopyCat>Huitzilopochtli: you're using a distro/custom kernel via pv_grub, right?
09:39<waldo_>that's a fairly strong claim, Huitzilopochtli. I suspect you will find people using linode to do what you are describing.
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09:39<Huitzilopochtli>waldo_: I haven't found anyone! I've tried.
09:40<Huitzilopochtli>HoopyCat: I compiled the modules, still using the linode provided kernel
09:41<@caker>If you're doing any packet rewriting, it's not going to work.
09:42<Huitzilopochtli>caker: what is that ?
09:42<Huitzilopochtli>i mean ... why is that ?
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09:42<mwalling>the hosts filter packets
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09:42<@caker>A Linode can only accept packets destined for its MAC address and its IP address(es).
09:43<HoopyCat>(note to self: ask for packet captures earlier in the troubleshooting process on stuff like this)
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09:45<checkers>anyone know a linux CLI sftp client that supports recursive up/download?
09:45<mwalling>scp
09:45<checkers>scp != sftp
09:46<mwalling>erm
09:47<mwalling>aparently so, i thought they were interchangable
09:47<checkers>seems to be a common myth, but I can't see why
09:47<mwalling>i thought scp/sftp were interchangable, and ftps was ftp+ssl
09:48<Huitzilopochtli>i found forum posts that claim haproxy works, ill try that
09:49<checkers>they are interchangeable in the sense that both usually exist on any given server, but not in thise case :P
09:50<HoopyCat>checkers: the sftp packaged on my system does support globbing for the "source location" on get/put, BUT i don't think that would be enough... *thinks*
09:50<HoopyCat>eh, nope. regular files only.
09:51<checkers>lftp supports the sftp:// protocol, so there's one ugly solution at least
09:52<Daevien>does ncftp support sftp? never tried it for that..
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09:52<HoopyCat>Daevien: per http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/faq.html , no.
09:53<straterra>Lets see how well 7zip performs on the linode
09:53<Daevien>ah.. i'm at work, can only chekc here oncein a while so i hadn't checked site yet
09:53<HoopyCat>Daevien: yeah, i was hopeful, as both scp and sftp leave me wanting in some ways, and i miss ncftp :-)
09:54<Daevien>heh
09:54<Daevien>curl maybe?
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09:58<Daevien>any microsloth office gurus around? do i need the french language pack to have office fully in french with the OS in english?
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10:00<straterra>What's microsloth?
10:00<Daevien>microsoft
10:01<Daevien>http://catb.org/jargon/html/M/Microsloth-Windows.html
10:02<fapestniegd>what's microsoft?
10:02<Daevien>satan's evil twin
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10:06<Daevien>ick, vista machine that doesn't even have service pack 1 installed. no wonder it runs like shit
10:07*amitz should learn vista to maintain his resume...
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10:08<straterra>It's not all that different
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10:10<amitz>It's not a matter of differences, it's the matter of able to claim an X months experience in vista.
10:11<amitz>although at the end I never actually use windows me for more than a week :-p
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10:13<amitz>hmm time to browse for a new job.
10:18<megatron27>tired
10:18<megatron27>amitz: what type of job are you looking for
10:19<amitz>finally! This one company who keep advertising 7 or is it 9(?) posisiotns for more than 1 year has finally reduced the availabale position to 2!
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10:20<marlon>Hello, anyone here work in Linode?
10:20<amitz>megatron27: usually IT jobs.
10:20<megatron27>marlon: all the admins
10:20<megatron27>!admin
10:20<megatron27>!linode
10:20<megatron27>!staff
10:20<marlon>!admin
10:20<megatron27>anybody remember the command?
10:20<marlon>!staff
10:20<amitz>!community
10:21<marlon>!community
10:21<marlon>[linbot(~supybot@webuser.linode.com)] Error: "admin" is not a valid command.
10:21<marlon>[linbot(~supybot@webuser.linode.com)] Error: "staff" is not a valid command.
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10:21<amitz>all ops are admins. Others are helpful people.
10:22<marlon>thanks
10:22<megatron27>!ops
10:22<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
10:23<amitz>megatron27: Anything good enough to make me let go my current job :-)
10:23<megatron27>programmer or system administrator?
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10:23<HoopyCat>the !ops and !community aliases are the sort of things where it's usually quicker and easier to just spit it out :-) (same with !ask)
10:24<amitz>megatron27: my passion is in programming but nowdays, I lower my standard.
10:24<megatron27>amitz: the ex-employer has an office in Jakarta, I'll let you know if there any openings
10:25<amitz>megatron27: I'm not saying system admin works are lower. It's just that it's second choice.
10:25<amitz>megatron27: ooh, nice. Update me please :-)
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10:25<megatron27>it might be easier to spit it out but you might get the Linode endorsed message
10:25<megatron27>not**
10:25<megatron27>might not**
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10:26<amitz>oh? I don't get the linode endorsed message. Are you talking to me?
10:26<amitz>megatron27^^
10:26<megatron27>nope, talkign to hoopy
10:27<megatron27>are you near Jl Taman Kemang?
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10:27<HoopyCat>megatron27: i'm 93% sure the aliases were added by non-staff people :-)
10:27<megatron27>only 93% sure? come back when you're 100%!
10:28<@jed>marlon: what can I do for you?
10:28<@jed>marlon: again, what can I do for you, and please note that I'm asking here
10:28<amitz>megatron27: hmm, I don't know that street although I know "Kemang" area. They're stationed there?
10:28<megatron27>yeah
10:28<amitz>Jl = street.
10:28<megatron27>yes, I know :-)
10:29<amitz>megatron27: just to be sure :-). Interesting choice of branch but that's additional information for me ;-)
10:30<megatron27>my laptop's fan has started making noises when its' on
10:30<megatron27>you think the DELL guys will entertain me if I make a support calll
10:31<Karrde>!mtr-dallas www.linode.com
10:31<linbot>Karrde: [mtr] www.linode.com: 2 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.3ms
10:31<Daevien>tell them it's emitting lots of smoke, but you've got no backups so it has to keep working for the next week
10:31<Karrde>the forums died on me, I suppose it's my end
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10:32<Karrde>hm.. can't get there from two different connections
10:32<Karrde>!mtr-newark www.linode.com
10:32<linbot>Karrde: [mtr] www.linode.com: 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 39.9ms
10:33<Smark>LPM doesnt work for me either Karrde
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10:33<amitz>megatron27: I don't expect much from dell...
10:33<Smark>now its back *chrug*
10:33<vANDAL>hello, i cant seem to access linode.com nor any of my domains hosted there... is there something going on?'
10:33<megatron27>I signed for the three years of complete cover so hopefully they have some love for me
10:34<HoopyCat>!down www.linode.com
10:34<linbot>HoopyCat: It's just you.
10:34<HoopyCat>huh works fine for me !
10:34<vANDAL>linode.com seems to be working now.. ill check on my servers.. thanks!
10:35<vANDAL>omg 100% cpu use since 2am :S =(
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10:36<amitz>megatron27: I'm curious. Let me know if you actually get the love you want :-)
10:38<megatron27>don't know how much work I'll get done during the fasting month :-)
10:39<megatron27>so far so good
10:40<amitz>megatron27: I thought the solution is pretty obvious for IT people. Just change your day<->night ;-)
10:41<amitz>you fast while you sleep. \o/
10:42<megatron27>I'm more productive during the day.
10:42<megatron27>especially if I have a thermos full of green tea
10:42<Aurora->On http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/IPv6_Reverse_DNS#What.3F where it says local 72.14.XXX.XXX; what exactly does it mean?
10:43<HoopyCat>Aurora-: the local end of your tunnel (e.g. your public IP address)
10:43<vANDAL>Aurora-, i think it means your server's IP
10:43<Aurora->ah oke
10:44<HoopyCat>Aurora-: for the purposes of configuring IPv6 reverse DNS, that's moot, because you should already have IPv6 up and going
10:44<HoopyCat>(if not, check the IPv6 page: http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/IPv6 )
10:44<Aurora->I setup an ipv6 tunnel with he and delegated it to afraid.org, but my rdns works sometimes; so I'm giving this a go
10:46<amitz>megatron27: hmm that's gonna be difficult then. I believe there are some methods to contol your blood sugar for the first half day of fasting. Have you looked it up? But I don;t know what's usually your more pressing problem.
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10:46<amitz>I mean whether blood sugar is partt of the problem.
10:48<megatron27>fasting is more about thirst than hunger
10:49<HoopyCat>Aurora-: cool. :-) i use nsd, with linode's servers enslaved. the first PTR will drive you nuts because you WILL have the wrong number of .0's... after that, it's copy/paste ;-)
10:49<Aurora->ok, i'll give it a go
10:50<megatron27>time to work
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11:08<Daevien>it's definitely a monday. crazies are out today
11:09<Daevien>dude bitching me out cause he's too dumb to setup his email account and decided to call us and complain rather than his internet provider :p
11:10<Karrde>dude submits a CRITICAL TICKET because he was using username@example.com to log into a Linux server and getting denied
11:10<Karrde>'..just use username to log in. drop the @example.com'
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11:14<Daevien>this guy was putting in just pop3 for his server name.. no domain name or anything else
11:15<Daevien>:p
11:15<@mikegrb>lolz
11:15<Daevien>he uses satellite internet as well and i don't know their settings cause i don't know anyone around here using it lol.. so i had to tell him like 5 times that he needed to talk to his isp, not me
11:16*Daevien kill -9's mikegrb
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11:25<mwalling>Daevien: hughesnet?
11:25<mwalling>i can has hughesnet experience
11:27<Yaakov>GAH GAH GAH
11:30<amitz>woah, miss universe 2009 on TV :-p~~~
11:32<megatron27>star world?
11:32<amitz>actually, local almost bankrupt non-cable channel. It's really strange how they can afford the license to show it..
11:33<rainman`>what makes you think they have a license
11:33<amitz>rainman`: IP law enforcement here is bad but it's not that bad.
11:35<amitz>I like last year miss universe, not sure about this year.
11:36<megatron27>what do you like about it?
11:36<amitz>woah, pig can actually swim!
11:37<rainman`>that's how the swine flu came to europe
11:37<amitz>I'm a bit bias to small woman with black hair :-p
11:38<amitz>black long straight hair.
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11:38*mwalling likes irish women
11:38*mwalling married one
11:39<amitz>mwalling: irish? red hair?
11:39*megatron27 likes women who have not undergone plastic surgery but are always willing to give it a shot
11:39<mwalling>yup
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11:40<mwalling>his wife pulled the plug
11:40<amitz>mwalling: red firey not pale hair is sexy :-p~~~
11:40<mwalling>yes
11:40<Nivex>Felicia Day?
11:40<mwalling>also, why does your tounge have a penis
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11:41<megatron27>hmmm...
11:41<mwalling>megatron27: aparently your signifigant other didnt like that comment?
11:41<HoopyCat>mwalling: his cellphone has been up for 3 days, duh
11:41<amitz>mwalling: given the face proportion, it's acceptable to have a penis that long :-p
11:42<megatron27>who? OFTC?
11:43<Daevien>mwalling, nah.. i live in the middle of nowhere.. probably only randallman even knows the town :p
11:43<mwalling>Daevien: i think i'm confused... if your luser had hughesnet, i could help, since i dealt with their stupidity
11:44<megatron27>is it possible to remove the download status in the status bar
11:44<megatron27>that thing annoys the shit out of me
11:45<HoopyCat>Daevien: hughesnet is a provider of satellite internet in the CONUS... they use a fleet of satellites assembled out of wood in clean rooms. very, very clean rooms
11:45<HoopyCat>megatron27: what application?
11:45<megatron27>why do they have to be clean?
11:45<megatron27>Firefox
11:45<Daevien>yeah, this is some other provider, nto sure which. guy had a really bad french accent and barely knew english.. and my french is terrible
11:46<Daevien>but i know it wasn't that one.. and that no one else around here has it that i know of to know all their mail settings for sure off the top of my head
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11:47<HoopyCat>megatron27: hmm... there might be an extension for it, but alas, my bandwidth has reached the point where i don't have time to notice the status bar before it's done.
11:47<megatron27>HoopyCat: in others, you're the most hated person in the world :|
11:48<megatron27>in other words**
11:49<HoopyCat>megatron27: probably. :-) that said, if it IS going to take a long time *cough kernel source cough*, i'm usually using wget instead.
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11:50<amitz>ssh+screen+irssi is really damn good. I barely able to surf yet I'm still connected to irssi!
11:51<amitz>hot australian
11:51<megatron27>amitz: Nokia is going to enter the netbook market
11:52<megatron27>amitz: you shallow shallow man, there's more to a woman than how she looks!
11:52<amitz>megatron27: should be good but nokia price is pretty steep.
11:53<amitz>megatron27: uh, the inside? :-p
11:53<amitz>damn, you make me miss some.
11:53<megatron27>no, the various extensions that you can add later aka plastic surgery
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11:57<amitz>so so american :-p
11:57<@caker>Dr. Dobb's Journal reviews Linode: page1: http://bit.ly/15pzrj page2: http://bit.ly/Czi15
11:57<@caker>HoopyCat and tjfontaine are mentioned :)
11:57<megatron27>nice!
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11:58<amitz>megatron27: my wife is a ..er self proclaim expertise in distinguishing real and fake boob. Number of fake boobs is surprisingly low.
11:58<amitz>s/proclaim/proclaimed/
11:59<AlexC_>morning
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11:59<megatron27>morning
11:59<AlexC_>I've been unable to access Linodes main website for few days now, is this an known issue or problems on my end?
11:59<HoopyCat>i'd like to take this opportunity to mention that donations may be sent to the attention of my tab at the Tap and Mallet
11:59<amitz>s/expertise/expert/
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12:00<HoopyCat>AlexC_: oof. alas, probably on your end.
12:00<AlexC_>how strange
12:00<AlexC_>thanks, at least I know it's just me then
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12:01<HoopyCat>AlexC_: can you reach http://blog.linode.com/ ?
12:02<HoopyCat>(same server, same IP, different hostname)
12:02<AlexC_>yes, I've also just managed to get on linode.com but is very slow
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12:03<HoopyCat>!mtr-dallas 81.132.158.242
12:03<HoopyCat>dootdootdootdootdootdootdootdooooooot
12:03<linbot>HoopyCat: timed out
12:03<Karrde>I had some trouble getting to the forums earlier but it has cleared up for me
12:05<HoopyCat>AlexC_: if you have mtr handy on your web browsin' machine, there might be some sort of obvious network problem in the middle, but a few days is a long time...
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12:06<megatron27_>hmmm... why am I getting disconnected so frequently
12:06<@caker>"Most importantly, the company has locked on the VPS provisioning angle in an innovative, approachable way that make much larger competitors look cumbersome and outdated. If you are a web developer seeking an inexpensive virtual hosting service provider, Linode should be one of the first choices on the list to consider. "
12:06<AlexC_>I'll keep an eye on it, see how it is later. Knowing my luck, probably my net. Here I am in 2009, with slower internert speed that I got in 2002. Lucky to get 60kbs download
12:06<amitz>megatron27_: I'm also curious why
12:06<megatron27_>is it because of all the crap I say in here
12:07<Daevien>caker is ddosing him
12:08<megatron27_>how do you detect that?
12:08<amitz>megatron27_: you might want to combine ssh+screen+irssi for irc
12:08<amitz>like what I'm doing now.
12:08<megatron27_>I really don't want to use my Linode for IRC.
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12:09<HoopyCat>AlexC_: packet loss is a surprisingly major killer for TCP, too.
12:10<HoopyCat>megatron27_: at least that time, your IP address changed.
12:10<Daevien>mega: i'm getting 40 - 45% packet loss to your ip
12:10<HoopyCat>caker: barebones is the new fully-featured :-)
12:10<megatron27_>I have a pretty crappy ISP.
12:11<megatron27_>I think I'll use the web based chat system from now on.
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12:12<HoopyCat>megatron27_: you can achieve some amount of "isolation" by getting a second IP and binding your IRC client to that, or set up an IPv6 tunnel. (i do the latter)
12:12<amitz>megatron27_: given your disconnect record, I must say yours is indeed crappier than mine.
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12:13<HoopyCat>megatron27_: for the web-based approach, take a look at mibbit... it's somewhat nicer for regular IRC use than the linode web client
12:13*HoopyCat offers a wide array of options for skinning various types of common feline
12:14<amitz>I thought mine is the worst.
12:14<megatron27_>I should get WiMAX.
12:15*Daevien skins HoopyCat with a rusty knife
12:15<megatron27_>but wimax is an extra 88-66 bucks...
12:15<amitz>bucks as in US dollars?
12:16<megatron27_>nope, MYR
12:18<amitz>that doesn't souund so bad
12:18<amitz>for what kind of performance?
12:18<megatron27_>1mbps I think
12:18<megatron27_>I'm on 384kbps right now
12:19<megatron27_>fuck, I'm so calling DELL tech support tomorrow
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12:20<amitz>I'm on 384kbps too. I pay around US$12.50
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12:21<HoopyCat>... when people in southeast asia call tech support, do they get some script-reader in the united states?
12:22<amitz>HoopyCat: Texans. :-p
12:22<Daevien>they don't bother to call, they know it's hopeless?
12:22<HoopyCat>(half-serious question, actually; i am often somewhat amused at the amount of "Made in the United States" stuff in canadian loonie/toonie stores)
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12:23<Daevien>i see more made in the US stuff when i'm here in canada.. than i remember seeing in texas or illinois
12:24<amitz>Daevien: actually depends on thebuyer. Rich people complain a lot .
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12:24<HoopyCat>Daevien: we're canada's china :-)
12:24<amitz>s/complain/call/
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12:25<amitz>since they know the standard of cusotomer service available.
12:25<amitz>damn, very bad connection.
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12:46<Yaakov>pparadis
12:46<rsdehart>Uh oh, here come the caps.
12:47-!-prasanth [~75c704df@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode
12:47<prasanth>hey
12:48<prasanth>i need to send out emails from my linode.
12:48<prasanth>not spam - but i need to configure it such that i can receive and send emails
12:48<Yaakov>prasanth: What sort of thing are you sending and recieving?
12:49<prasanth>emails
12:49<prasanth>basic tex emails
12:49<Yaakov>Stuff from people or programs?
12:49<prasanth>something like webmail will do
12:49<prasanth>both
12:49<prasanth>will be using php mail function to send out emails
12:49<prasanth>i need to configure the server for that rt?
12:49<Yaakov>prasanth: Consider Google Apps for your people mail.
12:50<prasanth>okay
12:50<Yaakov>prasanth: And for your program-generated mail you will need an MTA.
12:50<Yaakov>Like Exim, Postfix or Sendmail.
12:50<prasanth>okay
12:50<Yaakov>Which you choose will depend on your distribution, most likely.
12:50<prasanth>i was thinking of setting up exim
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12:51<Yaakov>You won't need to listen on your external interfaces so it will be easier to configure.
12:51<mib_t0xgyj42><-- megatron
12:51<prasanth>okay
12:51<prasanth>okay
12:51<Yaakov>Google Apps will be a good and painless solution for webmail.
12:51<prasanth>okay
12:52<Yaakov>Someone here can surely help you with that. path has a blog post on the DNS configuration...
12:52<Yaakov>I don't know the URL, though..
12:53<prasanth>okie
12:53<prasanth>i have used Google apps before
12:53<Yaakov>Somewhere in here: http://blog.pathennessy.org/tag/google/
12:54<path>http://blog.pathennessy.org/2008/12/08/using-linode-dns-manager-for-google-apps/
12:54<Yaakov>Or there.
12:54<Yaakov>Even.
12:54<path>but, i haven't checked it against the new version of the API
12:54<path>it may need some tweaking
12:54<Yaakov>I know that YOU need some tweaking.
12:54<path>that goes without saying :)
12:54<prasanth>obviously
12:54<prasanth>:)
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12:55<path>it certainly worked with version 0.02 of the Webservice::Linode module
12:55<path>i need to add a version check in there too i suppose
12:56<amitz>mib_t0xgyj42: you only have 3 4 more hours for quality sleep? don't hang out here :-)
12:56<path>it really isn't terrible complicated though
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12:57<mib_t0xgyj42>I get a lot of sleep in this room.
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13:01<Yaakov>!lasttweet
13:01<linbot>Yaakov: [twitter] RT @schamschula: DDJ OpenSource: The Linode Virtual Hosting Solution : An innovative VPS for innovative developers http://bit.ly/fDfIF
13:01<Yaakov>Woo. It's working.
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13:01<Yaakov>caker: Nice review.
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13:27<linbot>New news from forums: SYN flood? in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4534>
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13:28<prasanth>is there any open source alternative to google apps?
13:28<prasanth>to handle emails mainly
13:29<prasanth>!lasttweet
13:29<linbot>prasanth: [twitter] RT @schamschula: DDJ OpenSource: The Linode Virtual Hosting Solution : An innovative VPS for innovative developers http://bit.ly/fDfIF
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13:29<Daevien>there are plenty of opensource mail servers? is that what you mean?
13:29<prasanth>yep
13:30<prasanth>anyone has any recommendations?
13:30<wastrel>email stuff
13:30<wastrel>like hord
13:30<wastrel>horde
13:31<wastrel>squirrelmail
13:31<wastrel>zimbra
13:31<Eman>if using centos, this site is incredibly useful: http://www.linuxmail.info/
13:31<Daevien>exim, postfix, sendmail, etc
13:32<Daevien>if you are looking for other stuff besides just email, then citadel as well as the ones wastrel gave
13:32<prasanth>exim, postfix, sendmail etc are MTAs rt?
13:32<wastrel>correct
13:32*path uses postfix and dovecot
13:32<path>just using imap
13:32<wastrel>postfix and dovecot are good yes
13:33<path>for domains i host for other people, i sign them up for google apps and let them manage their own thing
13:33<prasanth>but they dont allow me to ask my employees to sign in and check their mail rt?
13:33<path>huh?
13:33<Daevien>prasanth, i'm a bit confused on what you want, thats why i said them.. do you just want a mail server? or do you want everything else? you said you wanted open source alternative to google apps but then said mail
13:33<Eman>dovecot is a pop3/imap server
13:33<prasanth>i need just mail
13:33<path>your employees would need to run thunderbird and set it to check for mail every couple minutes
13:34<prasanth>something like squirelmail will do okay.
13:34<path>or outlook, or mail.app
13:34<mwalling>what is "mail rt"?
13:34<path>realtime i think
13:34<mwalling>path: or is it request tracker
13:34<path>:(
13:34<path>doubtful
13:34<prasanth>realtime
13:34<Daevien>or shorthand for right
13:34<mwalling>smtp is not reailtime
13:34<mwalling>anyway
13:34<prasanth>i want them to be updated pretty much the way gmail updates the thing and shows new mail has come
13:35<Daevien>for what you want prasanth, you'd want something like postfix + dovecot + squirrelmail + webserver of some kind (suggest nginx or lighttpd if that's all you are goign to do on the machine, keep it's resources lower)
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13:35*path would say to use postfix, dovecot, and thunderbird.
13:35<Daevien>yeah but he seems to want a web interface to it
13:35<path>i prefer to avoid the web stuff..
13:35<Daevien>not a program on the machine
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13:36<Daevien>squirrelmail, horde, hastymail, roundcube are some various webmail interfaces
13:36<Daevien>prob a dozen more that i can't think of / haven't used right off
13:37<mwalling>roundcube ever fix their "issues"?
13:37<Daevien>which ones?
13:37<mwalling>uh, arbitrary code execution
13:37<mwalling>just minor things like that
13:37<@mikegrb>lolz
13:37<Daevien>nifty, didn't hear abotu that. glad i don't run it anymore lol
13:38<Daevien>squirrelmail is ugly as hell but does the job when i use webmail
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13:38<Daevien>there are some commercial redesigns of squirrel i think, not sure if there are any free ones
13:38<mwalling>i use gmail... they have engineers who spend lots of time making it work well so i dont have to
13:39<Daevien>i just want more control over stuff at times
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13:39<@tychoish>mutt via ssh?
13:39<Daevien>i've had some domains running there for just basic stuff an di usually recommend people use it if they don't wnat to run their own server / don't have the knowledge
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13:41<randallman>yo
13:42<Daevien>hi randallman
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13:43<randallman>supsup
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13:47*randallman is cranking Slipknot - Vermilion
13:47<randallman>Slipknot + NetBackup Bustulation - what a combo
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13:48<HoopyCat>slipknot continues to eclipse me on the "popular people from des moines, iowa" list
13:48<randallman>Hah :p
13:48<randallman>Do you wear bondage masks and throw fecal matter at your fans? :P
13:49<HoopyCat>randallman: no, that's mikegrb
13:50<randallman>Corey Taylor is a crazy mofo :)
13:50<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: I sent you email this morning and you never said thanks >:<
13:50<randallman>And to think he was in stone sour... that song 'Looking through the glass'
13:50<HoopyCat>mikegrb: i saw it but i haven't gotten to it yet :-(
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13:57<Rushi>hi guyz, i made a newbie mistake and launched a 64 bit ubuntu, apparently it is resource intensive and i wanted to revert back to 32 bit or xubuntu if possible but i don't want lose all my configurations and data...is it possible?
13:59<@tychoish>you can save configuration files, and re-upload them
13:59<Rushi>i've done performance tuning with memcache, eaccelerator, and mysql query cache as well... i don't want to lose this stuff and go back
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14:00<Rushi>my firewall settings and the works startup programs etc...
14:00<@tychoish>all of the configuration/tuning that you've done you can save, but you'll need to redownload and reinstall all of the applications
14:00<@tychoish>you should be able to download the iptables rules, and so forth
14:00<@tychoish>but all the binaries have to be recompiled for the different architecture...
14:02<Rushi>any links you might suggest for saving the configurations and mysql data onto my local maching and relaunching it?
14:02<Rushi>i have drupal installed and it is a pain reinstalling it from scratch...
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14:03<@tychoish>the configuration for mysql is /etc/mysql/my.cnf
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14:04<Rushi>will i lose my data?
14:04<@tychoish>there's a way to export and import data from a mysql database from the command line, but I don't know what it is off the top of my head
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14:04<Rushi>okay
14:04<@tychoish>there might also be a way to do that from within drupal
14:04<Rushi>phpmyadmin might be possible i think
14:05<SelfishMan>mysqldump -uurmom -pishawt urmom > urmom.sql
14:05<jtsage>mysqldump.
14:05<@tychoish>SelfishMan & jtsage thanks, you guys rock
14:05<Rushi>ok cool
14:05<nessenj>greetings
14:05<SelfishMan>oddly enough I think those are the actual credentials to the urmom jokes db
14:06<@tychoish>haha
14:06<@tychoish>I mess around with mysql infrequently enough that I'm always googling for the commands when I need them
14:07<Rushi>i guess there's no easy way thnks
14:07<SelfishMan>Rushi: how easy do you want it?
14:08<@tychoish>the mysqldump, Rushi is what I was thinking of
14:09<Rushi>it's kind of easy for computer techies but i would have to google all the things i installed and look for their config files and im a bit slow on knowing this kind of stuff but thnks
14:10<Rushi>it took me a entir two days for the first time around that's how slow i was
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14:12<HoopyCat>we google all this crap too... we aren't necessarily faster or better, we just have a lot more experience using google and cleaning up after we break something :-)
14:12<@tychoish>the database is probably the big part. if you know what the files you changed are, and what you installed, it'll probably be a lot easier this time
14:13<@tychoish>Rushi, also, what HoopyCat said is pretty true. we all learn by doing, failing, redoing, and repeating. it's almost always faster the second and twenty second time through ;)
14:14<Rushi>i hope ur right thnks guyz
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14:20<Rushi>will it be efficient to install xubuntu 64 bit version any performance improvements or that's slow as well?
14:21<@caker>why do you want 64 bit?
14:21<@caker>we really need to do a 32-vs-64 bit comparison page
14:23<SelfishMan>http://xkcd.com/627/
14:23<SelfishMan>!64bit
14:23<linbot>http://journal.dedasys.com/2008/11/24/slicehost-vs-linode
14:23<SelfishMan>caker: It would be nice to seen a linode published version using all the same stuff on the same node
14:23<SelfishMan>s/seen/see/
14:23<@caker>yeah
14:24<@caker>some benchmarks, a few memory usage comparisons, etc
14:24<SelfishMan>the actual performance metrics are the important part
14:26<brainproxy>so in postgres I create table A, and one of the columns has dt serial set as primary key; postgres happily creates the sequence object for me, very nice; if I later grant insert privs to another role, is there a way to automatically grant select, update on the related sequence object, or I have to run a second grant command explicitly?
14:26<brainproxy>i've reviewed the manual for GRANT and some other stuff in the docs, but perhaps I've missed something
14:28<Rushi>thnks
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14:55<ralxz>hey guys
14:55<ralxz>hey guys
14:55<ralxz>.
14:55<HoopyCat>HEY HEY
14:55<@mikegrb>lolz
14:55<ralxz>sorry lol, buggy irc much
14:55<ralxz>in the 'network' tab of my linode, excatly which IP address should I use for my domain configuration for WWW?
14:56<HoopyCat>ralxz: at a domain registrar? (like, if you have ralxz.com and you want to maintain it using the DNS Manager?)
14:56<ralxz>yes but i'm using linode's DNS manager
14:57<HoopyCat>ralxz: ah, so the domain's already there and you just need to know the IP address for the A record. it'd be the eth0 IP.
14:57<ralxz>i just don't want to re-create my domain zone because it has lots of google apps email server settings in it
14:57<ralxz>great, great. thanks
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15:00<ralxz>thanks again
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15:02<fred>SelfishMan: oh damn I hade that theme :|
15:02*fred just tried to clean his monitor
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15:07<linbot>New news from forums: centos 5.3 distro in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4545>
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15:07<silverblade>Centos always sounds cheap.
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15:18<linbot>New news from forums: centos 5.3 distro - no longer available in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4545>
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15:31<joe>hey guys
15:31<joe>does ftp com default with linode?
15:32<joe>if not, which one is the best?
15:32<Pryon>sftp
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15:32<silverblade>O_o
15:32<@caker>!ftp
15:32<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP: http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp
15:32<Yaakov>caker! Nice write up.
15:32<@caker>Yaakov: :)
15:33<Yaakov>Of course, I don't think it was glowing enough, but...
15:33<Yaakov>He did seem to get it right.
15:33*caker thinks it deserves a blaag post
15:33<Yaakov>Yes, most assuredly.
15:33<Yaakov>You need reprint for trade shows too!
15:33<Pryon>hURL?
15:34<Yaakov>!lasttweet
15:34<linbot>Yaakov: [twitter] RT @schamschula: DDJ OpenSource: The Linode Virtual Hosting Solution : An innovative VPS for innovative developers http://bit.ly/fDfIF
15:34<silverblade>!urmom twitter
15:34<linbot>silverblade: Yo momma's got so much feature creep, she supports regexps, themes, and Twitter. (772:0/0) [umorm]
15:34<Pryon>schweet
15:35<Guest134>which package do u think is good for SFTP?
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15:35<@caker>Guest134: sftp is included in your ssh server already
15:36<@caker>knowwhatimsayin?
15:36<SelfishMan>fred: huh?
15:37<silverblade>I'd highly recommend OpenSSH.
15:37<mwalling>SelfishMan: the slicehost v linode page
15:37<mwalling>SelfishMan: freds justbeing a whiny hiny
15:37<SelfishMan>oh
15:39<Karrde>the buzzword meter on this article is off the chart
15:39<Karrde>I can't read this
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15:41<SelfishMan>Karrde: Are they thinking outside the box to better realize the paradigm shift?
15:42<Karrde>yes
15:42<mwalling>SelfishMan: i dont feel that you're synergizing with Karrde enough
15:42*Pryon goes to leverage his synergies
15:42*SelfishMan synergized with urmom
15:45<silverblade>!urmom synergy
15:45<linbot>silverblade: Yo momma's so fat, she must have been compiled with --fatroll-loops! (746:4/0) [urmom]
15:45<SelfishMan>!skynet what is synergy?
15:45<linbot>SelfishMan: Synergy (from the Greek syn-ergos, συνεργός meaning working together) is the term used to describe a situation where different entities cooperate advantageously for a final outcome. Simply defined, it means that the whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts. Although the whole will be greater than each individual part, this is not the concept of synergy. If used in a business (1 more message)
15:45<silverblade>!skynet dilbert synergy
15:45<linbot>silverblade: zomg you broke teh interwebs!
15:46<silverblade>i thank you.
15:51<Pryon>is "cooperation" too mundane or something?
15:51<Pryon>Too many syllables, maybe.
15:51<randallman>'Cooperation' doesnt have that web2.0 'zing' to it :)
15:51<SelfishMan>!moar
15:51<linbot>SelfishMan: application it means that teamwork will produce an overall better result than if each person was working toward the same goal individually.
15:52<Pryon>Paging Mr. Brooks. Mr. Fred Brooks to the channel.
15:52<randallman>Also, it's not entirely certain that 2 cooperating entities are more productive than each entity unto itself :)
15:52<randallman>whereas if a cooperating group has developed a synergy :)
15:52<randallman>Awwwh, f'it... someone just kill me now please :)
15:52*Pryon stabs randallman over the internet
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15:57*path apt-get updates
15:58<randallman>sup pat
15:58<path>not much, how's it going
15:58<randallman>I was pretty hurt saturday, you? :P
15:59<path>i slept in a bit :)
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15:59<randallman>My wife woke me up since her and robin wanted to go get spa pedicures :)
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16:00<path>meh
16:00<randallman>Women.... cant kill em.... cant kill em :)
16:00<path>well, i think it's theoritically possible.. but..
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16:03<Pryon>I always knew the Boy Wonder was a little fruity
16:03<Pryon>Batman doesn't get spa pedicures. Probably.
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16:21<DeviousAsti>Hello people,
16:21<DeviousAsti>call me de
16:22<DeviousAsti>I was just finishing up an install
16:22<Pryon>yo Deutschland!
16:22<DeviousAsti>hail!
16:22<DeviousAsti>and seem to have
16:22<DeviousAsti>hit upon a minor snag
16:22<DeviousAsti><VirtualHost *:80> ServerAdmin admin@smartread.in ServerName smartread.in:80 ServerAlias smartread.in smartread.in ServerAlias smartread.in www.smartread.in
16:22<DeviousAsti>basically,
16:23<DeviousAsti>i'm not getting www.smartread.in and http://smartread.in
16:23<DeviousAsti>to point to the same document_root
16:23<DeviousAsti>one goes to /var/www
16:23<DeviousAsti>and www.smartread.in goes to the proper one
16:23<DeviousAsti><VirtualHost *:80> ServerAdmin admin@smartread.in ServerName smartread.in:80 ServerAlias smartread.in smartread.in ServerAlias smartread.in www.smartread.in DocumentRoot /srv/www/smartread.in/public_html/
16:24<mwalling>!pastebin
16:24<linbot>http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel
16:24<DeviousAsti>sorry
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16:25<Daevien>why are you alias'ing the server to itself liek 3 times?
16:26<Daevien>servername should be domain, alias should be www.domain
16:26<Eman>you dont need :80 in the servername field
16:26<HoopyCat>if i'm reading that right, i think you want ServerName smartread.in, ServerAlias www.smartread.in... you don't need a :80 there, it's kinda implicit
16:26<Daevien>that too ;)
16:26<DeviousAsti>its implicit alright
16:26<DeviousAsti>these are the desperate writings of
16:26<DeviousAsti>a confused person
16:26<Daevien>DeviousAsti, = HoopyCat ? :p
16:27*mwalling cuts his wrists
16:27<cool>athehathinu istham avathu kondu..iyalu aru uvvaaa
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16:27<mwalling>pastebin the relevant stuff, since looking at the stuff your client sent isnt very easy
16:27<DeviousAsti>haven't gotten to the point of cutting myself yet :D
16:28<cool>avate oru pastebin..
16:28<DeviousAsti>well,
16:28<DeviousAsti>i did paste it in
16:29<cool>a link eduthu thatta appi ivide
16:29<mwalling>cool: fix your kbd
16:29<mwalling>!skynet pastebin
16:29<linbot>mwalling: A pastebin, also known as a nopaste, is a web application which allows its users to upload snippets of text, usually samples of source code, for public viewing. It is very popular in IRC channels where pasting large amounts of text is considered bad etiquette. A vast number of pastebins exist on the Internet, suiting a number of different needs and provided features tailored towards the crowd they focus (1 more message)
16:29<mwalling>argh
16:29<mwalling>!pb
16:29<linbot>Paste your bulk content into the text box on http://p.linode.com/; after submitting, copy and paste the URL to which you were redirected (e.g. http://p.linode.com/1234) into the channel. The password is right there in the popup login dialog.
16:29<DeviousAsti>dude,
16:29<mwalling>there, that one
16:29<linbot>http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk
16:29<DeviousAsti>screw <cool>
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16:29<DeviousAsti>so,
16:29-!-jhford [~jhford@corp-240.mv.mozilla.com] has joined #linode
16:29<DeviousAsti>any ideas?
16:30<Daevien>link the paste url?
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16:30<DeviousAsti>http://p.linode.com/2892
16:30<DeviousAsti>p.linode.com/2892
16:31<DeviousAsti>ignore the :80
16:31<Daevien>so yeah, nuke the extra alias lines. server is smartread.in, alias is www.smartread.in, take out the :80
16:31<cool>enikka valiye theere pidikanilla...
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16:31<silverblade>obloblob vanilla skipoopoo lala
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16:31<DeviousAsti>http://p.linode.com/2893
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16:32<DeviousAsti>Still no luck guys.
16:32<Daevien>http://p.linode.com/2894
16:33<Daevien>then you need to reload the config
16:33<DeviousAsti>okay
16:33<DeviousAsti>but i might've already tried this
16:33<Daevien>er, wait. thats the default site.. *.. so i don't thnk you need servername?
16:33-!-getsmart [~getsmart@88-149-240-57.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #linode
16:33<mwalling>ng yrnfg qb vg gur rnfl jnl crbcyr
16:33<Daevien>been a bit since i had to do an apache config and i'm only partially here
16:34<Pryon>mwalling: I forget: screen or irssi?
16:34<mwalling>irssi
16:34<DeviousAsti>Sorry mate
16:34<mwalling>Pryon: its in my delicious tags
16:34<DeviousAsti>the original problem stands
16:34<DeviousAsti>however, it is interesting to note that
16:34<DeviousAsti>if i take the serveralias off
16:35<DeviousAsti>both comfortably go to /var/www
16:35<Daevien>maybe you can't use the alias in the default one, i forget right off
16:35<DeviousAsti>http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#serveralias
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16:36<path>you mentioned some place near the GM plant...
16:36<Daevien>the *:80 bit means it's the default server for the whole apache
16:36<path>errrrr
16:36<DeviousAsti>yes
16:36<Daevien>so any page without another definition will go there
16:36<DeviousAsti>but this isn't default
16:36<DeviousAsti>its a file named smartread.in
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16:36<DeviousAsti>it should inherit the stuff it doesn't have from default
16:37<Daevien>sorry, i'm too scattered to think this through.. doing 20 things at once
16:37<cool>aliya pullikal anu polum,,
16:37<DeviousAsti>sure mate.
16:38<DeviousAsti>thanks anyway.
16:38<Daevien>http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Configure_apache_to_use_virtual_hosts_on_ubuntu_server
16:38<DeviousAsti>on a side note,
16:38<DeviousAsti>anything other than : /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
16:38<DeviousAsti>and /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
16:38<DeviousAsti>?
16:38<Daevien>shouldn't be by most setups but depends on how you set it up
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16:38<Daevien>:p
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16:40<fred>mwalling: whelp.
16:40<Guest141>daeyappi
16:40<cool>dai mwalling..
16:40<cool>ninakku chaya veno
16:40<Guest141>vada veno?
16:40<fred>hmm, that's not entirely appropriate.
16:40<Daevien>http://p.linode.com/2894 still looks right, try stopping the server and starting.. not a restart, maybe your config has other issues an dit's jsut not using the bad one
16:40<Guest141>daey coole
16:40<Guest141>let us the talk the englysh
16:41<Guest141>entaru say?
16:41<cool><Guest141> use pastebin
16:41<Guest141>enthwaru kalippu?
16:41<Guest141>adichu noothu kalayum
16:41<cool>mattavantaduthu chotheeru
16:41<Guest141>waaat pyastebyn?
16:41<Guest141>daey aliya
16:41<Guest141>avanmar odi thalli
16:41<Guest141>haha
16:42<cool>ask mwalling
16:42<Guest141>thalle ithil ory malayali
16:42<Guest141>paripadis
16:42<cool>evide?
16:42<DeviousAsti>well, i'll figure something out.
16:42<Guest141>ettom molil
16:42<DeviousAsti>thanks anyway.
16:42<DeviousAsti>bye.
16:42<Guest141>wat help u need
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16:42<Guest141>devious
16:42<Guest141>i do it
16:42<cool>ara appi?
16:43<Guest141>devious dude left
16:43<Guest141>i gotta go now
16:43<cool>lavan poya?
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16:43<cool>why dont these guys stick to pastebin
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16:45<silverblade>Because pastebin is losing its stickiness
16:46<silverblade>Like trying to re-use Sellotape or other forms of sticky-backed plastic
16:46<linbot>New news from forums: Bare essentials? in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4543>
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16:46<silverblade>Now that started out sounding like a thread everyone would want to read
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16:47<Pryon>silverblade: it's pre-orders for "The Men of Linode" calendar
16:48<silverblade>and i bet its not pin-ups either... it'll be a pastebin-up
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16:50<Pryon>silverblade: http://p.linode.com/2895
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16:51<silverblade>nice... for some
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16:52<Pryon>Looks like his right foot is embedded in a acat
16:52<Pryon>a cat
16:52<silverblade>i read that as scat
16:52<Pryon>ha
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16:52<silverblade>and whats he holding in his right hand
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16:53<Pryon>hopefully it's something to help take care of whatever's making him stand that way
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16:54<silverblade>Joint Grievance Solution
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17:11<digitaljhelms>caker: this new cluster i have set up needs backup, what's the process for getting in on the backup beta program?
17:12<@caker>dubmit a ticket. But you're a fool if you using the beta backup service as your only form of backup.
17:12<@caker>+submit, even
17:12<@caker>:)
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17:13<Pryon>caker: your subconcious was working overtime on that one
17:13<@caker>We may wipe it completely (we did once already), it may blow up, or otherwise at your data. It's a beta, after all.
17:13<@caker>*eat your data
17:13*caker backs away
17:14<HoopyCat>man, now i'm craving some dub
17:14<silverblade>remember to handle it with mitts
17:15<BarkerJr>the beta backup might blow up my vps?
17:15<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: sure!
17:15<@caker>BarkerJr: no. But you should still be afraid.
17:15<chesty>dynamite might blow up your vps
17:15<@caker>...be very afraid
17:16<BarkerJr>hehe
17:16<@caker>(they're backuping from inside the house!)
17:16<schmichael>!notaverb
17:16*caker verbadverbs you
17:16<silverblade>someone set up us the backup
17:17<BarkerJr>well, if it does, I'll just clone my VPS from another data centre and call it a day
17:17<Pryon>s/up/hoe/
17:17<silverblade>back to the us to the set to the up
17:17<Pryon>gah!
17:17<HoopyCat>backsing up
17:17<Pryon>backups is tricksy
17:17<silverblade>a_day$
17:18<BarkerJr>I do daily clones between data centres just to be sure everything's backed up
17:18<HoopyCat>in a wootoff a long time ago, i bought three little talking backup alarms that you wire up with your reversing lights... i've yet to actually even take one out of the box
17:18<Pryon>hope you don't get any transciption errors
17:18<Pryon>what's a wootoff?
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17:19<BarkerJr>a sale
17:20<silverblade>can you re-program the voice?
17:20<silverblade>"OMG HE'S GONNA HIT THAT CAR!"
17:20<Pryon>haha
17:20<silverblade>"WWAAAH! LOOK OUT!"
17:20<silverblade>"Old ladies and children, please stand back..."
17:20<HoopyCat>Pryon: remember that episode of star trek: the next generation where this god-satellite sends regular pulses of energy down to that planet, and suddenly the frequency of impulses increases because the god-satellite is about to die or something? a wootoff is like that, with "your receiving dock" being the planet, "woot.com" being the god-satellite, and "clearing a bunch of shit out of the warehouse" being dying
17:21<silverblade>nice connection... i think
17:24<Pryon>I don't remember the episode, but it works for me
17:24<HoopyCat>everything in life can be tied to a ST:TNG episode
17:24<BarkerJr>quite
17:25<BarkerJr>wasn't that the best ST series?
17:27<Smark>Its nice knowing that every single one of my emails is properly sorted. Went through the 2500 non-spam emails on my Gmail account and labeled them all
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17:28<azaghal__>Anyone had experience with mod_gnutls vs mod_ssl in Apache? I'm considering using mod_gnutls for the SNI extension.
17:31<HoopyCat>Raw capacitance: 1.00e-08
17:31<HoopyCat>hoopydehumid.value 10
17:32<HoopyCat>dammit, dew point, why must you be so low
17:32<Pryon>BarkerJr: TOS > *
17:32<randallman>service mgmt-vmware restart
17:32<randallman>errr
17:33<HoopyCat>Restarting service mgmt-vmware... [ FAILED ]
17:33<randallman>Haw
17:33<azaghal__>Please provide root pasword...
17:33<randallman>[ EPIC FAIL ]
17:33<BarkerJr>Pryon: the original series?
17:33<HoopyCat>mgmt-vmware: No space left on I/O error operation would block failed refused
17:33<Pryon>indeed
17:33<randallman>EWOODCHUCK
17:33<azaghal__>o.O
17:33<Pryon>haha
17:34<HoopyCat>randallman: 1.00e-08 cord-seconds
17:34<azaghal__>Permission denied, please try again.
17:34<randallman>if (errno == EWOODCHUCK) { howMuch() };
17:34<randallman>haha cord-seconds :)
17:34<randallman>too bad a cord is not a measure of actual mass or volume :)
17:34<HoopyCat>randallman: well, there's no time unit in the question, but there is in the answer, so...
17:34<randallman>more a measure of 'how much fits in my truck'
17:34<BarkerJr>Pryon: before my time :P
17:35<BarkerJr>though I am watching the remake
17:35<Pryon>BarkerJr: You don't like anything made before you were born? I hope you weren't born in the 80s
17:35<BarkerJr>:(
17:36<BarkerJr>I liked the 1968 version of Oliver Twist
17:36<Pryon>liar!
17:36<BarkerJr>Oliver! (1968)
17:36<BarkerJr>but the 80's movies/shows were the best
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17:40<det>Has anyone else in Fremont been experiencing network problems ?
17:42<Pryon>"Not I." said the little red hen.
17:43<Pryon>!ping
17:43<linbot>pong
17:43<Pryon>nope
17:43<silverblade>Cluck!
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17:44<Pryon>I guess it's not the Little Red Hen who says "Not I."
17:46<silverblade>Little Red Hen: Did you say "Not I?"
17:46<silverblade>Little Red Hen responds: "Not I!"
17:46-!-F2 [~lucifred@130.57.22.201] has quit []
17:47<Pryon>and then she disappears in a puff of logic
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17:48<silverblade>void littleRedHenSay(char* message) { littleRedHenSay(message); }
17:48<nessenj>det: i have been experiencing no issues with my fremont linodes
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17:52<det>Thanks
18:08<digitaljhelms>caker: well, i'm no fool, and this is a production cluster hosting an application that will be used by the GOP among others; the linode backup schedule/price/features sound(ed) perfect -- what do you suggest until it's stable?
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18:09<bd_>digitaljhelms: duplicity to s3 is a popular choice
18:10<digitaljhelms>i've heard the bandwidth on that is excessive though; but, i guess bandwidth is going to be an issue regardless of the data store and method, since it won't be a backup that is internal to linode
18:10<bd_>digitaljhelms: rsync to an external server works too
18:11<bd_>what I'm doing right now is using an (admittedly hacky) script to rsync off to a EBS drive in amazon's EC2
18:12<@tychoish>digitaljhelms: I've also heard of people using rsync.net
18:12<nessenj>im using rsync.net now on 2 linodes and it works pretty well so far
18:13<digitaljhelms>bd_: rsync was my first thought (actually unison, which I believe uses some of rsync within) and i'm familiar with it
18:14<@tychoish>rsync is crazy brilliant. Unison is windows-centric, right? and I'm not sure if there's shared code, but it is very similar conceptually
18:14<digitaljhelms>nessenj: is it easy to restore
18:14<bd_>unison is very different from rsync
18:14<bd_>the most annoying thing about it being that it has no protocol compatibility across releases.
18:14<bd_>at all.
18:14<nessenj>dunno, thank goodness i havent had to try yet :)
18:14<BarkerJr>linode backup is onsite, so it'll never be useful as a data backup
18:14<bd_>tychoish: and no, not windows-centric afaik
18:15<digitaljhelms>unison *is* very different, but I believe that unison utilizes rsync to an extent within it's core
18:15<digitaljhelms>tychoish: no, unison is entirely cross-platform
18:15<bd_>http://fushizen.net/~bd/ebs-backup.rb <-- the script I used, hacked together in the space of about two hours a year ago, so don't mind the hacks :)
18:15<bd_>use*
18:16<bd_>you'll need to manually create an EBS volume, set up dm-crypt, create a filesystem in the dm-crypted volume, and create a backup and tmp directory in it
18:16<bd_>also create a /srv/k/root locally
18:17<digitaljhelms>BarkerJr: really? i dunno about that statement... if that's the consensus, why would they even build/offer it?
18:17<bd_>digitaljhelms: an onside backup is useless if the datacenter is hit by a meteor or something
18:17<straterra>HoopyCat: http://twitpic.com/duyj9
18:18<mwalling>digitaljhelms: that sounds pretty trollish to me
18:18<mwalling>digitaljhelms: (him, not you)
18:18<digitaljhelms>bd_: correct, but so what you're saying is, each data center will provide backups onsite only??
18:18<bd_>digitaljhelms: currently yes
18:18<digitaljhelms>mwalling: yes, i agree
18:18<bd_>I've heard they're considering offsite backups as a value-add later
18:18<bd_>or well, an add-on thing
18:18<bd_>or whatever you want to call it
18:19<mwalling>hell, i dont even know if i'm going to shell out the $5
18:19<digitaljhelms>bd_: oh, yikes! i would think they would institute a policy where all backups are done not only locally, but distributed across all other data centers
18:19<mwalling>or 7.50 or something
18:19<bd_>digitaljhelms: that requires a lot of bandwidth :)
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18:19<digitaljhelms>bd_: if it's paid for, who cares...
18:19<bd_>bandwidth _and_ storage
18:19<mwalling>remember, linode has no less then a gagillion linodes in production
18:20<bd_>that said, linode's never had a datacenter be hit by a meteor
18:20<BarkerJr>digitaljhelms: it's really a system backup, not data
18:20<mwalling>bd_: you did it
18:20<bd_>mwalling: hm?
18:20<mwalling>bd_: stop saying what they havent had happen
18:20<@tychoish>gagillion+, for the record
18:20<bd_>:)
18:20<mwalling>tychoish: "no less then"
18:20<BarkerJr>insurance against your own corruption
18:20<digitaljhelms>bd_: like i said, this is a large application by the RNC/GOP -- you think i'm going to tell them that we put all eggs in one basket, or that $100/mo was too high when considering the ability to backup/restore their data
18:21<bd_>digitaljhelms: *shrug* one option would just be to get another VPS and rsync to it
18:21<digitaljhelms>bd_: think that's what i'm going to do
18:21<BarkerJr>but the easy way to backup is to get a second linode and rsync data, and setup mysql replication
18:21<bd_>if you're going to do that putting the backup target at a different provider's a good idea too
18:21<digitaljhelms>BarkerJr: not using MySQL
18:21<BarkerJr>mysql replication will be instantanious, and rsync is as frequent as you want
18:22<digitaljhelms>BarkerJr: PostgreSQL FTW
18:22<BarkerJr>I'm sure any good dbms supports replication
18:22<digitaljhelms>yes
18:22<BarkerJr>I rsync minutely
18:22<digitaljhelms>bd_: I agree; perhaps a new linode in a different data center, with a custom backup routine, and also an S3 backup on it's own schedule as well
18:22<@tychoish>that works
18:23<@tychoish>rsync.net also has a (we'll put your data in more than one data center option
18:23<bd_>digitaljhelms: If you're going to get a second VPS, having provider redundancy isn't a bad idea :)
18:23<bd_>tychoish: rsync.net always seemed a bit expensive to me... :/
18:23<silverblade>meh, i just back up to my home pc.
18:23<mwalling>but they have a little birdie!
18:24<@tychoish>I think the rsync.net vs. s3 decision depends very much on your usecase
18:24<mwalling>i like bd_'s rsync->EBS method
18:25<@caker>rsync.net loses file ownership and permissions, afaik
18:25<silverblade>rsync tends to do that if you're rsyncing to a machine but dont have root access to the dest
18:25<@caker>indeed
18:26<digitaljhelms>mwalling: i do as well, but i'm not installing ruby, so it's out
18:26<silverblade>i ended up using find and a bunch of other things to spit out a "rebuild file permissions / ownership" script
18:26<mwalling>digitaljhelms: just because bd_ wrote a ruby script doesnt mean ruby is the only way to do it
18:26<digitaljhelms>mwalling: however, i can rewrite it in python
18:26<bd_>digitaljhelms: the principle should be usable with other languages. I just did it in ruby because that was the first EC2 interface library I found :)
18:26<digitaljhelms>mwalling: or find one that was open sourced
18:28<mwalling>the concept is pretty much boot ec2, start rsync, shutdown ec2, isnt it?
18:28<digitaljhelms>bd_: oh, i'm not hating; ruby, python, java, whatever -- get shit done and move on; i'm just saying that i'm not installing ruby on these production machines just for a backup, i'm sure there's a python script that'll do the same thing (and this is a full python setup) or i can write one ;)
18:29<digitaljhelms>i've worked with ec2 in python in the past anyway
18:29<digitaljhelms>caker: is the backup offering being worked on actively?
18:30<mwalling>mikegrb doesnt sleep
18:31<@mikegrb>mmm cake
18:31<silverblade>He's too busy eating cake.
18:31<Pryon>A lizard, grown to gigantic proportions due to exposure to gamma rays from nuclear weapons tests, has never climbed out of the Gulf of Mexico to destroy the Dallas DC.
18:32<mwalling>Pryon: oh fuck.
18:32<mwalling>Pryon: dont look, but Fox is airing footage of a "thing" climbing out of the water
18:32<Pryon>ha
18:34<encode>http://www.ddj.com/hpc-high-performance-computing/219401166 <-- article seems to imply EC2 was around before linode
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18:34<mwalling>huh, it does, doesnt it
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18:36<encode>clearly Amazon copied linode
18:36<encode>except worse
18:39<mwalling>ha
18:39<mwalling>i wonder how much of the inside of amazon is based ontop of AWS
18:39<mwalling>i also wonder how much of that last sentance made any sense
18:39<@tychoish>I get you :)
18:40<mwalling>k good
18:40<mwalling>i was trying to explain something a half hour ago and ended up erasing the white board 5 times
18:40<wastrel>whiteboard eh
18:40<@tychoish>I suspect there's similarity, but I don't think they're likely using it in the same way folks like us might use it
18:40<wastrel>my boss wants to somehow digitize the whiteboards
18:41<mwalling>wastrel: waste of time
18:41<wastrel>i think it's a crazy waste of time and money
18:41<silverblade>get a pen and write 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 on it
18:41<Pryon>wastrel: in what way? printouts from whiteboards is old tech
18:41<wastrel>yes! that's that i'm saying!
18:41<silverblade>then tell him it is digitized
18:41<wastrel>because we already have whiteboards installed
18:41<mwalling>just get a web cam and point it at the board
18:41<@mikegrb>lolz
18:41<silverblade>lol
18:41<mwalling>not kidding...
18:41<wastrel>well my suggestion was digital cameras and just take snapshots
18:41<wastrel>but yes that would be just fine
18:42<Pryon>I do that at home all the time (pictures of the [way too small] whiteboard before erasing)
18:42<wastrel>yes that's perfectly reasonable
18:42<mwalling>each conference room has a dedicated machine, that handles lighting, projection, sound, etc... so i just took a p-card to target and got some webcams, mounted them to the projector, and vollia
18:42<wastrel>he seems to want some kind of fancy high tech digital whiteboard thing. star trek magic or something
18:42<mwalling>they're buggy
18:43<mwalling>at least the ones we have in the "Executive conference center"
18:43<digitaljhelms>just realized that linode handles dns hosting/management #facepalm so i'm going to try it out; does the soa email need to be entered with dot notation or will an @ suffice?
18:43<mwalling>*megacorpeyeroll*
18:43<mwalling>digitaljhelms: @, i think the manager rewrites it
18:43<silverblade>I tried taking digital pictures of a whiteboard once, of some stuff I was working on.
18:43<silverblade>I ended up with this: http://reactos.silverblade.co.uk/sound/ks/ks3.jpg
18:43<digitaljhelms>thanks; it took an @ but i didn't know if that's what it was looking for
18:44<Pryon>Speaking of ST and whiteboards - I was watching an episode and Chekov was giving some sort of lame-ass impromptu presentation and he had to physically walk up to the screen to point at stuff. I was thinking "yay, 23rd century technology."
18:44<encode>there's an introductory screencast now? is that a pparadis addition?
18:44<mwalling>encode: no, thats old
18:44<@tychoish>I think it's old
18:44<mwalling>digitaljhelms: the bottom of the page should have a render link
18:44<digitaljhelms>mwalling: ah yes, didn't see that
18:44<encode>'old' is such a relative term
18:45<silverblade>old is so yesterday
18:45<Pryon>silverblade: just because you don't like TV shows older than Dollhouse
18:46<digitaljhelms>damn i'm an idiot; all this time with linode and i've never considered using linode for dns; i've used freedns, afraid.org, or godaddy
18:46<encode>http://sven.killig.de/openwrt/slugterm_dl.html <-- that looks really cool. I can't think of any practical use for it, but still kinda cool
18:46<mwalling>Last-Modified: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:41:04 GMT
18:46<@caker>digitaljhelms: ???????!
18:46<digitaljhelms>caker: i know, i know!!!
18:46*digitaljhelms flogs himself...
18:46<silverblade>:o
18:46<silverblade>in public
18:52<HoopyCat>dns manager cleans your SOA for up to four months! FOUR MONTHS!
18:53<BarkerJr>cleans?
18:53<HoopyCat>silverblade: there is software out there that will "do the magic" on photos like that and vectorize them
18:53<BarkerJr>how'd it get dirty?
18:53<@tychoish>are you saying my SOAis dirty?
18:53<straterra>Billy Mays here with another fantastic product..
18:53<linbot>you're gonna love my nuts
18:53<@jed>I swear OpenVPN under NetworkManager is useless
18:53<JoeK>if anybody would like to check my support ticket
18:53<JoeK>this would be nice
18:53<Pryon>o.O
18:53<straterra>jed: why would you use that?
18:54<straterra>It's easy enough to run the one command to use openvpn
18:54<@jed>because it's built-in and I'm lazy
18:54<Yaakov>HELLO JED
18:54<@jed>HELLO YAAJOV
18:54<@jed>and friends of common spelling
18:54<@jed>did you get a hold of mike
18:54<straterra>So...I have a reason why my Eclipse is leet
18:54<Yaakov>After a fashion.
18:54<silverblade>what fashion
18:54-!-jeff [~60fc1218@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode
18:54<@jed>I realized after I hung up that you misunderstood me
18:55<@jed>when you said "eh, no big deal, I'll get a hold of him"
18:55<@jed>I said: "You sure?"
18:55<@jed>not "Sure!"
18:55<@jed>that pause in your response got my attention
18:55-!-jeff is now known as Guest146
18:55<Yaakov>Oh, you dropped out.
18:55<HoopyCat>straterra: we're well past 2^17 at this point, alas
18:55<Yaakov>It cell phone, etc.
18:55<bd_><late> mwalling: The basic concept is indeed boot ec2, start rsync, shutdown ec2, but this is complicated by every call being asynchronous and possibly taking seconds to take effect after it returns success
18:55<Yaakov>Err...
18:55<straterra>HoopyCat: hmm?
18:55<Yaakov>s/It//
18:55<@jed>yeah, it's like talking without vowels
18:55<straterra>oh..heh
18:55<HoopyCat>straterra: the photo of the 2^11 odometer
18:56<Yaakov>In any case, it was nothing urgent so it works either way.
18:56<HoopyCat>i'm working backwards through my scrollback on URLs
18:56<straterra>yes
18:56<straterra>HoopyCat: I know you're jealous
18:56<digitaljhelms>i wish cnames could have the hostname left empty and resolve to an alias...
18:57<HoopyCat>18:01 [@NASA:26] After shuttle fueling is complete at about 7:11pET, NASA TV will air a message from comedian Stephen Colbert. www.nasa.gov/ntv
18:57<@jed>...
18:57<HoopyCat>...
18:57<BarkerJr>why can't a cname point to a cname?
18:58<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: i don't believe it can't
18:58<bd_>CNAME = 'canonical name'. That is, it's saying the true name of A is at B. If B isn't canonical, then the first CNAME is basically lying.
18:58<straterra>like urmom when she was she wasn't all over used
18:58<HoopyCat>digitaljhelms: alas, if you're leaving the hostname blank, you probably already have a SOA and a couple NSes there..
18:59<BarkerJr>is blank the same as @ ?
18:59<digitaljhelms>no, @ is a wildcard you can point a cname
18:59<digitaljhelms>and that's only with some dns hosts
19:00<BarkerJr>I've never seen @ as a cname... is that common?
19:00<digitaljhelms>a blank alias with only an ip assigned will let a domain without a prefix resolve to that ip
19:00<digitaljhelms>Barker: the @ isn't the cname value, it's the value of the alias that cname entry resolves to
19:01<HoopyCat>we're throwing a lot of slang around here; i'm declaring that all further discussion on this matter use either RFC terminology or BIND zonefile syntax, for i am getting confused about wtf we're talking about here
19:01<BarkerJr>I'm confused :)
19:02<digitaljhelms>HoopyCat: hahaha
19:02<digitaljhelms>i have 3 aliases for this domain (one for each linode in the cluster), and i have a cname for "www" resolving to one of those aliases, and various other cname entires as well, but it sucks to have a blank alias with an ip that one of the other aliases is already defined as... seems weird, i dunno..
19:02<HoopyCat>wait, which part is the hoohah?!
19:02<BarkerJr>@ IN CNAME www
19:02<BarkerJr>is that valid?
19:02<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: not if there's other records on @
19:02<BarkerJr>there's SOA and NS, right?
19:03<HoopyCat>digitaljhelms: CNAMEs suck. use A records, and if you have to change them, it's a couple nested for loops with api.py :-)
19:03<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: yup
19:03<BarkerJr>so it can't be then
19:03<BarkerJr>this is why @ sucks
19:03<HoopyCat>BarkerJr: no, this is why CNAME sucks
19:03<BarkerJr>too much maintenence
19:04<BarkerJr>I like to make all my websites CNAME one
19:04<@caker>zomg 1 moar lookup
19:04<@caker>srsly.
19:04<HoopyCat>example.com. IN SOA ns1.urmom.com. urmomqueue.urmom.com. ( 2009082401 7200 7200 1209600 86400 )
19:04<HoopyCat>example.com. IN NS ns1.urmom.com.
19:05<@tychoish>why search for one thing, when you can serarch for three
19:05<HoopyCat>example.com. IN CNAME www.example.com. <---- NO NO NO
19:05<BarkerJr>would it even be another lookup if my same ns is master for both?
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19:05<@jed>I say let's drop DNS and go back to IPs
19:05<@caker>BarkerJr: yes (if I understood you correctly)
19:05<@jed>and /etc/hosts for everything
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19:06<straterra>jed: only for ipv6
19:06<straterra>dead beef makes websites easy to remember
19:06<HoopyCat>gopher://[2001:470:1F07:F41:0:0:DEAD:BEEF]/
19:06<straterra>8a81
19:06<@tychoish>bring back gopher!
19:06<BarkerJr>I'm just wondering if bind would hand out the CNAME's IP in the response
19:06<@tychoish>woo woo woo
19:06*HoopyCat urgently enables zonealarm before he gets haxxed
19:06<@jed>BarkerJr: negative
19:07<@jed>CNAMEs are never implicitly looked up For You
19:07<straterra>HoopyCat: too late
19:07<straterra>should've upgraded aol
19:07<HoopyCat>Blocked attack from host 52.142.192.208 on port 504!!!
19:07<HoopyCat>Blocked attack from host 36.59.118.84 on port 32054!!!
19:07<straterra>Reminds me of the 1990's 'pilot' of 24
19:07<@jed>if the IP starts with 5 or 3, you better go on a blocking spree
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19:08<BarkerJr>'dig www.caferss.org' looks up my cname for me
19:08<BarkerJr>do I have bind miscongigured?
19:08<@jed>BarkerJr: using two lookups
19:08<@jed>unless BIND is also returning it in "Additional"
19:08<@jed>(which, btw, end clients will not use)
19:08<BarkerJr>dig +trace only shows one lookup
19:09<bd_>jed: recursive resolvers can't use additional records?
19:09<bd_>surely they can, or they'd be unable to use glue
19:09<HoopyCat>19:08:59.214055 IP 97.107.134.213.35170 > 208.67.222.222.53: 53827+ A? www.caferss.org. (33)
19:09<HoopyCat>19:08:59.495863 IP 208.67.222.222.53 > 97.107.134.213.35170: 53827 5/0/0 CNAME[|domain]
19:09<mwalling>OH NO I KNOW YOUR IP! DELETE YOUR FORAM POST NOW!
19:09<@jed>bd_: things like firefox won't use additional
19:09<HoopyCat>oh shiiiii
19:10<@jed>is what I meant there
19:10<BarkerJr>I would expect pessimism about additional, cause it's prone to dns poisoning
19:10<mwalling>doesnt firefox and friends just use the OS's resolver library?
19:11<@jed>that's what I mean, glibc's gethostbyname() will just look for Response records
19:11<@jed>firefox actually does *not* repeat *not* use the system resolver
19:11<@jed>(last I checked, anyway)
19:11<HoopyCat>19:10:48.043902 IP 192.168.1.12.57856 > 208.67.222.222.53: 22583+ A? www.caferss.org. (33)
19:11<HoopyCat>19:10:48.159732 IP 208.67.222.222.53 > 192.168.1.12.57856: 22583 5/0/0 CNAME[|domain]
19:11<bd_>jed: strace curl on it shows only alookup for www.caferss.org
19:12<HoopyCat>from my firefox (i did not paste the AAAA?, nor the lookups for www.barkerjr.net for addl objects)
19:13<bd_>same for firefox
19:13<bd_>Of course, if the CNAME's on another domain, it's a different story :)
19:14<HoopyCat>speaking of which, time to mow teh lawnz moar
19:14<BarkerJr>this is weird
19:14<BarkerJr>why isn't it resolving AAAA records?
19:15<BarkerJr>oh, maybe dig is just not showing them
19:15<bd_>dig aaaa www.caferss.org
19:16<Yaakov>!dig www.caferss.org AAAA
19:16<linbot>Yaakov: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.caferss.org. 604800 IN CNAME ww1.barkerjr.net. | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION barkerjr.net. 604800 IN NS ns3b.searchskype.net. barkerjr.net. 604800 IN NS ns1.searchskype.net. barkerjr.net. 604800 IN NS ns2.searchskype.net. barkerjr.net. 604800 IN NS ns3a.searchskype.net.
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19:16<path>Hi Yaakov
19:17<BarkerJr>I have more NS records than I game my registrar :)
19:17<BarkerJr>gave*
19:18<Yaakov>!dig kovaya.com AAAA
19:18<linbot>Yaakov: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: kovaya.com. 171 IN AAAA 2001:470:1f07:b95::6 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION kovaya.com. 86164 IN NS ns3.linode.com. kovaya.com. 86164 IN NS ns2.linode.com. kovaya.com. 86164 IN NS ns4.linode.com. kovaya.com. 86164 IN NS ns1.linode.com.
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19:19<mwalling>volbart is on!
19:19-!-Guest148 [~knoppix@evdomip-27-7.iusacell.net] has joined #linode
19:21<mwalling>and hes done
19:24<Yaakov>HELLO PATH
19:24<Yaakov>I MISSED YOU
19:24<Yaakov>IN THE SCROLL
19:25<Guest148>hola
19:26<Guest148>alguien habla espanol?
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19:28<Yaakov>¡YO HABLO EL SPANISHO MI AMIGO GRANDE CON FALDA DEL MUERTE!
19:28<Sackler>sayonara
19:28<Yaakov>I missed him.
19:29<linbot>New news from forums: mysql max_connections and lighttpd+fastcgi in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4541>
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19:33<@jed>why does everyone on wheel of fortune say "I have a beautiful wife"
19:33-!-Sackler [~none@c-76-123-180-170.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has quit []
19:33<opello>so that they can hit on vanna without it looking like they are?
19:34<@jed>I'd go on there and go
19:34<@jed>nah, I'm not gonna type that
19:34<@jed>buy me a beer in person and I'll tell you
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19:36<@jed>death of michael jackson a homicide !?!?!?
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19:37<Yaakov>So they have been saying.
19:42<aaronpk>anybody used n2n before? http://www.ntop.org/n2n/
19:43<Smark>i've used ntop, not n2n (atleast i dont think so) before
19:43<Smark>ntop is such a memory whore though
19:43<aaronpk>yea it is. i remember running it a while back
19:45<schmichael>it sleeps with other memory for money?
19:45<schmichael>i think you mean memory "hog" :)
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19:48<SelfishMan>schmichael: Are you talking about my ex again?
19:48<BarkerJr>!dig ww1.barkerjr.net AAAA
19:48<linbot>BarkerJr: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: ww1.barkerjr.net. 602883 IN AAAA 2002:4acf:f727::1 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION barkerjr.net. 602883 IN NS ns3b.searchskype.net. barkerjr.net. 602883 IN NS ns1.searchskype.net. barkerjr.net. 602883 IN NS ns2.searchskype.net. barkerjr.net. 602883 IN NS ns3a.searchskype.net.
19:48<SelfishMan>cuz both statements would apply to her now
19:48<BarkerJr>only one aaaa?
19:50<bob2>it probably only returns one
19:50<bob2>you actually have 45
19:51<SelfishMan>!urmom aaaa
19:51<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so ugly the goonies wouldn't marry her (825:1/0) [omumr]
19:51<SelfishMan>!urmom vote up 825
19:51<linbot>SelfishMan: Voted 825 up [romum]
19:51<BarkerJr>more kernel vulnerabilities... https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2009-1222.html
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20:22<SelfishMan>!bestthreadever
20:22<linbot>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4494
20:23<Smark>I think the SSD thread may be trying for the title.
20:28<@mikegrb>lolz
20:28<amitz>Somehow I imagine a discussion on caker's lol actually win the title.
20:28<amitz>oh, mikegrb's :-)
20:29<schmichael>man, the fact that the OP in that thread has QED in his sig is just priceless
20:29<schmichael>SelfishMan: thanks for the link, thats comedy gold
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20:34<Smark>QED? Is that that latin thing?
20:34<Yaakov>Yes, QED is a Latin abbreviation.
20:35<path>quod erat demonstrandum, which literally means "which was to be demonstrated"
20:35<path>according to wikipedia
20:35*schmichael learned it in math class in high school and hasn't used it since
20:35<Yaakov>They are correct, in spite of being Wikipedia.
20:35<schmichael>except when being a pretentious ass on internet forums
20:35*caker demonstrated urmom
20:35<Smark>wikipedia said it was at the end of a definitive proof
20:35<path>:)
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20:36<Yaakov>caker: I quod yours.
20:38<schmichael>point being: that guy was essentially saying every one of his posts was proven logically sound and correct
20:38<schmichael>in other words: awesome
20:39<warewolf>that thread didn't end?
20:39<warewolf>guh
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20:39<schmichael>that reminds me of when i was in jr. high and posted to some html working group mailing list proposing a new markup standard
20:40<schmichael>since html had some *obvious* flaws
20:40<HoopyCat>near, far, whereever you are
20:40<HoopyCat>i believe that the thread does go on
20:40<HoopyCat>once more you open the url
20:40<HoopyCat>and you're here in my feed
20:40<HoopyCat>and my lols will go on and on
20:41<schmichael>lets see if i posted in 1996, i guess i would have been 14... a very naive 14
20:41<schmichael>but hey, who wasn't naive about the internet in 1996?
20:41<checkers>I'm pretty sure everyone has been That Guy at some point
20:41<warewolf>the problem is that fella isn't 14.
20:42<HoopyCat>i occasionally find some seriously disturbing shit i've written in the past
20:42<Sackler>that happens to me about five minutes after every post i write
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20:58<amitz>Everthing we write will be disturbing shit for another set of environment.
21:00*bd_ is disturbed by that comment
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21:05<amitz>bd_: gramatically or uh..contently?
21:05<amitz>:-p
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21:18<linbot>New news from forums: Ok I give in in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4546>
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21:38<tjr>Hello all
21:40<tjr>as anyone seen any issues with syslogng hogging cpu? I''m trying to figure out why it's at 20% when idle
21:40<bob2>how's your io-wait?
21:41<tjr>I have no idea, I'll start googling =)
21:41<HoopyCat>vmstat 1 <--- faster than googling for finding I/O wait :-)
21:42<tjr>http://pastebin.com/d2fee59af
21:42<bob2>man, linode should add collectd to the base installs
21:43<HoopyCat>tjr: huh.
21:43<guinea-pig>what's collectd?
21:43<HoopyCat>tjr: no wait, very little user CPU, but a wonk of system CPU...
21:44<guinea-pig>ah
21:44<HoopyCat>tjr: if it makes you feel better, my syslog-ng is averaging 1 second of CPU per day :-)
21:44*guinea-pig would argue against adding collectd to base installs.
21:44<bob2>guinea-pig: very easy to use monitoring tool
21:44<HoopyCat>bob2: apt-get install collectd # done
21:45<tjr> mine was at 100%. I turned off remote logging and it went to 20%. trying to figure out why it's even at that...
21:45<tjr>5's measured in top)
21:45<tjr>*%'s
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21:45<HoopyCat>tjr: i'm wondering if it's got itself in some kind of loop or something
21:46<tjr>perchance. I can start disabling sources and desitnations and see if that solves it
21:47<HoopyCat>tjr: if you wish, pastebin your conf and i'll, at the very least, take a look and see if there's something blatantly weird. (i'm a syslog-ng noob, alas, but 1. a second set of eyeballs sometimes helps, and 2. i'm always interested to see how other people config their stuff :-)
21:47<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] Terminal color scheme? in /dev/random <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4335>
21:49<MJCS>I just got a replacement motherboard for my faulty one from ASUS. Should I be able to just swap the mobo out and reattach everything without formatting? I am using the onboard RAID controller for my OS (raid 5) and some data drives in raid 5 as well
21:50<tjr>HoopyCat: I have a lot of stuff commented out, it's commented out n the server too and still at 20%. here it is http://pastebin.com/d44ae0708
21:52<HoopyCat>tjr: whack. is it still logging normally?
21:52<tjr>yea
21:52<tjr>i think i got it
21:52<tjr>cpu is down
21:53<amitz>MJCS: I used to reattach HD to different mobos. It works although some device will be named deicenamev(x+1). Don't know about RAID effect.
21:53<tjr>going to diff and figure out axactly what it is
21:53<amitz>MJCS: for linux
21:54<MJCS>windows
21:54<MJCS>fuck i need some thermal paste
21:55<amitz>MJCS: corporate edition?
21:55<amitz>version?
21:55<tjr>oh crud!
21:55<MJCS>windows 7 Ultimate
21:55<HoopyCat>MJCS: i have some in my toolkit
21:55<MJCS>RTM
21:55<amitz>MJCS: do idea.
21:56<MJCS> (HoopyCat) : thats nice...Ill buy some tomorrow for an absurd price at staples
21:56<amitz>no idea
21:56<HoopyCat>it's old, it's crusty, and it's probably thousands of miles from you, but send me your motherboard, CPU, and heat sink and i'll take care of it
21:56<@mikegrb>lolz
21:56<MJCS>lol
21:56<HoopyCat>MJCS: staples sells it? woah
21:56<MJCS>yeah
21:56<MJCS>they do
21:56<MJCS>for like $15
21:56<MJCS>i'm too fucking lazy to drive to Frys
21:57<MJCS>i could get it at radioshack
21:57<amitz>MJCS: there are point based criteria IIRC on old windows. If your hardware differ to greatly, it won't work.
21:57<MJCS>its the same motherboard
21:58<MJCS>KFN32-D SLI/SAS for a KFN32-D SLI/SAS
21:58<HoopyCat>MJCS: eh, the store on the corner has the little pillows at a "eh, sure" price
21:58<@caker>techman224: "become the future of hard drives in the future." ??
21:58<MJCS>what ever...i need to go barf, take some aleve, then cry myself to sleep
21:58<MJCS>cya
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21:58<HoopyCat>MJCS: eat some saltines with the aleve; your stomach will thank you
21:59<tjr2>the ajax chat was annoying me
21:59<HoopyCat>MJCS: good night, and porcelain god bless
21:59<tjr2>anyway. it was /root/scripts/sendLog.pl
21:59<tjr2>the file was missing, so syslog spun. even though it wasn't an active destination
21:59<tjr2>going to reenable things and see if I spike it again
21:59<HoopyCat>tjr2: dammit!! i just about mentioned it.
22:00<amitz>MJCS: this is microsoft. They will consider it different peiece. different s/n. I think.
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22:02<HoopyCat>anyway, 'tis bedtime
22:02<tjr2>thanks for your help!
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22:03<HoopyCat>tjr2: np, have a good evening :-)
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22:22<amitz>gnu screen should be the default linux terminal
22:29<SelfishMan>screen isn't a shell
22:29<SelfishMan>also, you can make new sessions start in screen at login
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22:45<SelfishMan>"APEWS is reportedly blocking 2/3rds of all useable Internet IP space."
22:45<SelfishMan>Ha!
22:45-!-meff is now known as Guest161
22:45<bob2>wonder how much if it is ec2space
22:46<bd_>ec2space only covers 126976 IPs :)
22:47<SelfishMan>216.182.224.0/20, 72.44.32.0/19, 67.202.0.0/18, 75.101.128,0/17 174.129.0.0/16
22:47<SelfishMan>and one more
22:47*SelfishMan searches his DB
22:47<bd_>http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/message.jspa?messageID=107770 <-- hmm, only 5 listed
22:48<SelfishMan>"TQMcube lists (it has several) appeared popular and reasonably effective, however, the admin has completely vanished (we're rather worried about him), and the list appears to be on autopilot now."
22:48<SelfishMan>I love that line
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22:49<amitz>SelfishMan: well, then make distro shell to automatically start screen by default :-)
22:50<amitz>s/distro/distros'
22:51<amitz>people can use linux for years without knowing the benefit of screen. I pity them (and pity my old self).
22:52<SelfishMan>!mrt
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23:07<amitz>damn, japanese comics cover all subjects existing under and over the sky.
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23:30<jetlag>The power went out for an hour.
23:31<jetlag>It's boring without electricity.
23:32<X-LP>thank god for sock puppets!
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23:32<amitz>jetlag: so you're surviving on notebook battery?
23:32<jetlag>Nah, it's on now.
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23:59<X-LP>so thats why mirc froze
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