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---Logopened Thu Aug 27 00:00:00 2009
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00:00<amitz>I wish someone would switch myself to ipv6.
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00:00<straterra>Sign up for an HE tunnel and set it up
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00:10<amitz>HE is freemont right? hmm..
00:11<amitz>Maybe I should try to make mylinode ipv6 compatible, whatever that means.
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00:13<amitz>woah, kquite intimidating at a glance.
00:13*amitz flexes his muscles, for tomorrow.
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00:18<amitz>oh, no native ipv6 support. I should have paid attention to talks about ipv6 in #linode.
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00:24<amitz>an existing wiki on ipv6 for linod makes the effort uneventful :-)
00:24<straterra> need for one
00:26*amitz is still searching for the most uptodate arrangement. He doesn't like to reigster to too many services.
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00:30<amitz>there really is no way to use ipv6 on linode without tunneling?
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00:32<amitz>oh wait, the 6to4
00:37<amitz>damn, I was thinking of setting my linode to ipv6 only and I connect to it using ipv6, for additional security through obscurity :-)
00:38<linbot>New news from forums: Adobe ColdFusion 8 + Linode VPS in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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00:45<amitz>the most expsnive ISP in town support ipv6 natively. *sigh*
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01:07<Pryon>felicitous contrafabularities!
01:07<CaptObviousman>yeah, what that guy said
01:11<Pryon>I think it's supposed to be contrafibularities
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01:22<amitz>say, if I use the HE tunnel, can people contact my linode using ipv6?
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01:24<amitz>specifically, if my linode us HE tunnel.
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01:27<bob2>amitz: if you use an ipv6 tunnel from anyone (assuming they give you a globally visible ipv6 address), then yes
01:28<bob2>amitz: HE is just convenient because a) they're awesome and b) they have tunnel brokers in all the same dcs as linode, so the added latency is tiny
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01:32<amitz>bob2: I see, thanks.
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01:35<hojuruku>hey guys, i'm using an initrd with my sabayon linux. It's got a problem with the console in xen. Turning of xenify distro will fix this because I don't think an initrd can run a getty. Should I use console=? something
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01:40*amitz just wonder if one day HE decides to sell the assigned ipv6 address for outrageous fee//
01:40<bob2>then you renumber
01:41<amitz>oh, yeah, forgot the prupose of domain name :-p
01:41<hojuruku>can you get ipv6 tunnels in atlanta, last time i was using linode last year only HE was giving them away
01:41<hojuruku>forget tunnels, IPv6 addresses
01:41<bob2>pretty sure he has a pop at atlanta
01:42<amitz> doesn't mention atlanta.
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01:48<bob2>hm, you're right, apologies
01:49<hojuruku>console=hvc0 console=tty0 will make my intird work?
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02:04<SelfishMan>There is IPv6 in the Atlanta DC but I don't think it is from HE
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02:25<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: Newark1 in System and Network Status <>
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02:31<hojuruku>ah i've got my kernel going but the console doesn't seem to work. what's the reconmended console= arguments for your custom kernels in a linode?
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02:32<rainman`>SelfishMan, -native- ipv6?
02:32<vineet>i recently got a linode...but i don't know why I shut i down, now it is showing me Your Linode is currently Powered Off how to restart it ??
02:32<bob2>click on boot
02:32<rainman`>vineet, click the start button, or boot or whatever it says
02:33<vineet>nothing is there as boot or start... :(
02:33<bob2>top right hand corner
02:33<SelfishMan>rainman`: yes.
02:33<SelfishMan>Yay! worked!
02:33<vineet>Your Linode is currently Powered Off
02:34<bob2> -> "Your Linode is currently "
02:34<bob2>to the left of that, click "boot"
02:35<Smark>Anything else I should do to this Western Digital drive before I start putting stuff on it, and using it full time? I've done the Quick Test, I've done the Extended Test, only thing left is Write 0s. Is the disk wipe (all 0s) for testing or just to wipe the drive?
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02:36<Pryon>Why would you need to write zeroes if you're going to use the drive?
02:37<Smark>I wasn't planning on it unless it was some sort of test, which its not.
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02:37<vineet>@bob2 I checked everywhere no boot button is there...i can even send you a screenshot if you want
02:37<bob2>vineet: sure
02:37<Smark>But any other 3rd party tools out there that might be useful?
02:39<amitz>Smark: oh, you're the one whose drives are often damaged?
02:40<vineet>@bob2 screenshot
02:40<Pryon>Looks like you have no configurations to boot
02:40<amitz>I forgot what I talked about, did you get my message on the possibility that your working environment probably shakes a lot?
02:40<Smark>amitz, not often. I had a 3 year old 500GB drive that started making clicking noises. I got the one to replace it today.
02:41<Smark>amitz, only one drive I've ever had has failed
02:41<bob2>vineet: something nuked your config
02:41<Smark>and this one hasnt even fully failed, but i'm not going to trust it
02:41<amitz>oh, 3 years is quite a long time. Probably it's not you.
02:41<bob2>vineet: click on "deploy a linux distribution"
02:41<Smark>wondering if anyone could recommend a Windows-based HDD burn-in tool
02:42<Smark>I'm seeing all over that "hard drives don't need to be burned in" but it makes sense to test it as much as possible before it goes to use
02:44<bob2>vineet: bit worrying that it is all gone, though
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02:45<Pryon>It just looks like somebody deleted two disks and then shut down the node.
02:45<vineet>@bob2...Thanks it worked :)
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02:46<SelfishMan>Smark: Yes. Throw it away
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02:47<Smark>uh, what?
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02:50<SelfishMan>Throw away the WD drive
02:50<Smark>not a WD fan?
02:50<amitz>I;ll catch the drive.
02:51<Smark>I've had good luck with WD, Seagate, and Maxtor (before they were bought out by Seagate).
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02:53*amitz should relabeled some of his keyboard keys..
02:54<hojuruku>whats the best ipsec implementation for linux? (i like something that can use hadware accellerators / cryptoapi?)
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02:54<amitz>*sigh* slow day.
02:55<amitz>and when a question is coming, the answer is beyond my knowledge.
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02:55<SelfishMan>Smark: I can't legally say why. I can tell you never buy a maxtor because of the failure rate
02:56<SelfishMan>Maxtor has a nice bit of firmware that will hide failures even after the slack space is consumed
02:56<Smark>SMART data lies?
02:57<amitz>maxtor = wd? hiding failures even when you run out of backups space(?)? sounds bad.
02:57<Smark>Maxtor = Seagate now
02:58<amitz>oh. damn so many mergers.
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03:03<SelfishMan>Smark: SMART data *always* lies
03:04<SelfishMan>Smark: Maxtor != Seagate
03:04<SelfishMan>it is a segregated division of seagate
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03:12*amitz just read the wiki entry on SMART. I can see the conflict of interest..
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03:26<AndrewLuecke>Google tested SMART anyway and found its only 60% reliable
03:27<AndrewLuecke>not sure if thats been said already, but it has been now :P
03:28<aaronpk>what would show that a network card is plugged into a gigabit switch vs 100-base switch? ifconfig doesn't seem to indicate that
03:28<bob2>(mii-tool doesn't do gige)
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03:47<tsp>do the Xen kernels support modules? I want to use s3fs to backup to amazon S3, unless someone has a better solution for backing up/syncing a few gb
03:47<bob2>the better way would be s3sync or something
03:48<tsp>I thought about duplicity, but I don't want to reupload my data every month or so to make a full backup again; so it's eather s3sync or s3fs+rsync
03:48<bob2>how does s3sync or s3fs help?
03:49<tsp>s3fs gives me a fuse filesystem onto S3, so I should just be able to rsync to it
03:49<tsp>s3sync is a sync tool
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03:49<tsp>should be able to sync directly, though I don't know how any of these work in practice performance wise and such
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03:50<bob2>what does s3fs + rsync gain you over an infinite chain of duplicity incrementals?
03:50<tsp>bob2: will that work?
03:50<bob2>surely s3fs just stores the incremental changes?
03:50<tsp>no, it's a sync not a backup
03:51<bob2>but given that it ISN'T sending the whole files, it must be doing something incrementally
03:51<tsp>not sure on that, I don't think amazon can send incrementals, just whole files
03:51<bob2>hence my comment about them being equivalent :)
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03:53<tsp>it's only 2gb or so, it won't cost too much to experiment a bit
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03:54<bob2>does s3fs encrypt stuff?
03:54<bob2>and remember, a full 2gb (per month with duplicity) is only 30c of traffic
03:54<tsp>nor does linode, so I'm not losing much there
03:54<julesce>Hi guys, I've just created a new ubuntu server, I'd like to be able to FTP files to it, how do I go about setting up FTP?
03:55<tsp>julesce: Personally I use vsftpd, very easy to setup
03:55<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
03:55<chesty>julesce: from where, what OS?
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03:55<julesce>from my local machine, windows xp
03:56<tsp>but all of the bots methods are more secure than ftp unless you use something like ftp with ssl
03:56<tsp>filezilla can do sftp on windows, so can flashfxp
03:56<bob2>and winscp (confusingly)
03:56<tsp>at least I think fz can
03:56<tsp>bob2: winscp is amazingly slow though
03:57<julesce>Ok thanks, anyone got any tutorials on how to setup the server to allow FTP access to a given folder?
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04:01<julesce>ah sweet
04:01<julesce>looks like i've figured it out
04:01<julesce>thanks :)
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04:28<Athenon>so if i get another IP at $1/month...can I bind one program to one IP address on port 4242 and another program on the OTHER ip address on port 4242?
04:28<amitz>yes Athenon
04:28<Athenon>ok cool
04:29<Athenon>i thought so, but i got to thinking about ports....and i wasnt sure if ports were per ip address or per network adapter or per SYSTEM...or what
04:29<amitz>don't worry, we all have our own backgrounds thus our own siliness :-)
04:29<Athenon>haha ja
04:30<Athenon>my problem is im a jack of all some of nitty gritty details in some things im not familiar with
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04:40<amitz>is the tunnel to be made on HE is regular tunnel or BGP tunnel?
04:41<amitz>if I want my linode to be contactable by an ipv6? if I want my linode to be able to contact an ipv6 host?
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05:03<amitz>what is linode freemont AN?
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05:06<rainman`>amitz, whois -h <IP of freemont node>
05:07<amitz>woah, voodo mantra, thanks :-)
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05:09<amitz>hm I should ask for easier to remember ip address..
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05:11<amitz>origin: A69S39 doesn't count as 2 bytes it seems..
05:11<amitz>sorry, AS6939
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05:13<rainman`>amitz, what?
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05:15<amitz>oh, origin = ASN right? the number part? so A6939 = 6939? The HE requires 2 bytes ASN. Is that mean I'm not eligible to get ipv6 BGP tunnel?
05:16<amitz>I mean, AS6939, not A6939. Somehow I always miss pressing S.
05:19<rainman`>you can't build a bgp tunnel
05:19<rainman`>you can only do that if you administrate the AS
05:19<rainman`>you just want a normal tunnel
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05:20<amitz>oh... looking at the questions asked on both type tunnel, I thought I suppose to set a BGP tunnel. ok, normal tunnel then.
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05:22<rainman`>BGP tunnel is if you have your own network with your own AS and address space, but simply don't have ipv6 transit nearby
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05:24<amitz>oh, for address space owner. Does owning counts? I don't know the proper syntax but you know what I mean. Or it's something more complicated?
05:24<rainman`>no, it's like address space allocated to you by an RIR
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05:26<amitz>oh, okay.
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05:45<amitz>does the instruction written by he to be to run on our linode need to be run after every linode restart?
05:46<amitz>to be run on our linode
05:48<rainman`>every restart
05:50<Athenon>anybody know much about php?
05:54<amitz>the /64 of an address is a netmask right?
05:55<amitz>second question, if asked about ip adress, should I include the "/xx" part or not?
05:56<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
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05:56<amitz>^^ Athenon
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05:59<rainman`>amitz, yes, no
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06:05*amitz restarts and prays
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06:13<amitz>yay, rebootable :-)
06:16<linbot>New news from wiki: IPv6 <>
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06:26<Mathew>morning foos
06:27<Athenon>amitz: /64 is a cidr expression.
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06:37<Athenon>wait....isnt 32 the max though? O_O
06:37<Athenon>8 bits per number....4 numbers in an ip4 address..... 8*4 =32
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06:38<Athenon>idk, ive found that cidr expressions are......very very odd -_-
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06:39<Yaakov>Athenon: It's very simle. The number after the / is the decimal representation the number of host bits.
06:39<laser`>Athenon: /32 is the max for IPv4 :)
06:39<laser`>/128 is the max for IPv6
06:39<Yaakov>Sorry, network.
06:40<Yaakov>Sheesh, morning.
06:40<Athenon>Yaakov: for inspircd, its uhhhh..... like.... "this number of bits in the beginning have to match"....which is what confuses me
06:40<Yaakov>GAH GAH
06:40<Yaakov>OK, reset.
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06:40<Yaakov>I am not helping, I am confusing.
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06:40<Yaakov>In CIDR, the number following the slash is the number of bits to MASK to get the host.
06:41<Yaakov>So 32 is a single address.
06:41<Yaakov>AND, it IS the biggest number you can use, which is the smallest network.
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06:42<Yaakov>Hello, SpaceHobo.
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06:49<amitz>yeah, it's funny how I manage to survive without knowing how the mask actually works..
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06:59<amitz>what's linode dns server? the one storing our dns records? I want to dig my latest dns configuration.
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06:59<Yaakov>Hello, SpaceHobN.
06:59<julesce>Hi guys, quick question if you don't mind: I'm on Ubuntu 9, wanting to serve up a rails app via Passenger. I've setup the virtualHosts files according to instructions but I want to test it now before pointing the domain to the machine to make sure that it is working properly. Is there a way to test the website without having the proper domain pointing to it?
07:01<Athenon> <----- this work for anyone yet?
07:01<amitz>Athenon: doesn't work for me
07:01<Athenon>dang -_-
07:04<amitz>got it, AAAA is not digged by default.
07:04<HoopyCat> 07:04:40 up 21:54, 4 users, load average: 4.15, 2.99, 2.71
07:05<HoopyCat>cron either has to move earlier or the alarm clock has to move later
07:07<HoopyCat>julesce: i usually like to add an A record for "newsite" or "beta" or something similar, pointing at the new one. barring that, you can put the real hostname and new IP in your workstation's hosts file to override DNS, but that always confuses the heck out of me (and makes testing from multiple machines a pain :-)
07:07<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Newark1 rebooted. :(
07:08<HoopyCat>julesce: there's also your linode's "default" hostname,, which you can pop into a ServerAlias and use right away
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07:09<HoopyCat>Yaakov: bound to happen sooner or later, you traitors
07:09<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Well, now it will be up for YEARS!
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07:11<HoopyCat>Yaakov: i think i actually dreampt about that last night
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07:12*Yaakov burns |Kyhwana| into a fine white ash.
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07:12<linbot>Yaakov: [twitter] @sptremblay are you swapping? have you had a look at
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07:13<julesce>HoopyCat: thanks, that "your linode's "default" hostname,", how would I determine what mine is?
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07:14<HoopyCat>julesce: it'll be on the network tab in the dashboard, or it'll be your system hostname and/or reverse DNS if you haven't touched either of those
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07:17<amitz>|Kyhwana|? Who is that? :-p
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07:18<amitz>I don't see that person :-p
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07:21<HoopyCat>07:21 Ignoring JOINS QUITS from |Kyhwana|
07:24*amitz is trying to find out himself how to ignore only the joins quits.
07:24<amitz>Don't tell me, it's not fun :-)
07:25<HoopyCat>if irssi, /help ignore :-)
07:26<amitz>that's not telling, so I'll take the advice :-)
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08:16<HoopyCat>i did not anticipate the nickname situation there
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08:19<linbot>HoopyCat: The dehumidifier is 10% full.
08:19<HoopyCat>good, good.
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08:31<bmonty>......rsion. Readers should note that on our test machine, at least, we got a Visual Studio setup prompt every time we opened an Office application after setting up this plug-in—but your mileage may vary.l;okoikkppp;'']]['['
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08:32<HoopyCat>bmonty: your cat found your unlocked keyboard
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08:40<bob2>tsp: ah, I didn't know that
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08:49<bob2>duplicity is doing a lot more
08:50<bob2>alternatively you can duplicity to a local dir and s3sync/s3cmd that local dir
08:50<bob2>caps dude :)
08:50<HoopyCat>tsp: your caps lock key appears to be on
08:50<HoopyCat>tsp: indeed!
08:51<tsp>I could just s3sync /home, I don't need encryption that much but it'd be nice to have; this was just one part of /home, the rest of it is 11gb or so
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08:57<linbot>New news from forums: Outage: atlanta13 in System and Network Status <>
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09:06<linbot>HoopyCat: The dehumidifier is 11% full. It was most recently emptied Thursday at 07:30 EDT, and was last full at Thursday at 07:00 EDT, after 37.0 hours.
09:06<Nivex>is that an IPv6 enabled dehumidifier?
09:07<HoopyCat>of course
09:08<linbot>New news from forums: Can't partition my linode in Performance and Tuning <>
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09:28<Daevien>hoopycat's toaster is ipv6
09:30<randallman>'The last time toast was made was Thursday at 07:15 EDT'
09:30<randallman>'The toast was slightly burnt';
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09:34<Daevien>thats ok, hoopy is slightly burnt too ;)
09:34<randallman>A IP enabled dehumidifer is an interesting choice for applied arudino :)
09:35<Daevien>sign of too much time on his hands
09:35<Daevien>hey randallman, you use active directory?
09:35<randallman>Active Directory uses me :P
09:36<Daevien>heh yeah well, it's microsloth technology so anythign is possible.. except proper functioning software
09:36<linbot>HoopyCat: The dehumidifier is 10% full. It was last emptied Thursday at 07:30 EDT, and was full on Thursday at 04:30 EDT after running for 35.0 hours.
09:36<HoopyCat>whew, ok, better
09:36<randallman>I am starting to use AD for AUTH/AUTHZ for unix systems
09:36<Daevien>just wondering if you had put win7 on it, got someone asking me if he should go straight from xp to win7 or go to vista first.. and i haven't used active directory in quite a while and never with win7
09:36<randallman>we're fixin to investigate the NetApp and how it will do uid/gid mapping.
09:37<randallman>err AUTHN/AUTHZ
09:37<randallman>Uhh, the winders guys are playing with the RTM now
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09:40<randallman>Hoopy, does your arudino write logs to syslog? :P
09:40<randallman>Is that even feasable?
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09:43<HoopyCat>randallman: nope, it spits a continious stream of data (capacitance calculated by time/resistance) out via serial, which is then picked up, sanity-checked, and converted into a percentage by a python script running under munin-node
09:43<HoopyCat>randallman: then there's a CGI on my central munin box that runs rrdtool fetch, parses/analyzes the data, and makes that pretty statement of status
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10:08<amitz>HoopyCat: dehumidifier = makes room not humid? Any special purpose? for what?
10:09<purrdeta>amitz: usually to remove water from the air so it doesnt condense on things in the room... such as in a basement where you don't go very often and it gets damp
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10:11<amitz>purrdeta: oh right, so that things won't get wet or freeze.
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10:12<randallman>What is wrong with people
10:12<randallman>2009 Aug 27 14:09:45|plbdns01|UDP||A|AMERICASHUB1
10:12<randallman>There's no spaces or +'s allowed in domain names :)
10:12<randallman>tailing my dns server logfiles is like watching the matrix :)
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10:15<amitz>I'll keep that in mind. Sending DNS queries as secret message to a system admin...
10:16<randallman>2009 Aug 27 14:13:18|plbdns01|UDP||A|ŒH¸³G≠ÙÈ3#ÔÖ
10:16<randallman>There's a malformed mofo for ya )
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10:18<path>i think that about tailing mail logs
10:18<path>go into a trance
10:18<randallman>They are far less uniform tho
10:18<path>well, i typically grep for NOQUEUE
10:18<path>or clamsmtpd
10:18<randallman>probably stems from the fact that each e-mail is a series of log entries
10:18<path>or something
10:18<randallman>piping through multiple things, like pfix -> amavis -> pfix
10:19<randallman>I wrote a basic perl log parse for postfix for my own purposes
10:19<Daevien>porn collecting?
10:19<randallman>we bought this thing called 'message stats' and it ahs a postfix module
10:19<randallman>and it does nothing useful at all :P
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10:19<randallman>I guess it shines for exchange since exchange logs are quite lack lustre
10:19<path>yea, we go postfix -> clamsmtpd -> postfix -> dspam -> postfix -> another server
10:19<randallman>so you didnt go the amavis route?
10:19<path>i'd like to dump dspam
10:20<path>do amavis
10:20<path>with SA
10:20<randallman>Im about to just throw a pair of britemail appliances in
10:20<path>but i think i may need to build up some resources
10:20<randallman>at lest then I'll be using symantec's reputation system
10:20*alpo notices that newark47 is constipated again this morning... seems to be a recurring theme
10:20<randallman>hashing of mails and URLBL blah blah
10:20<randallman>err URIBL
10:20<alpo>disk... is... so... slow...
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10:22<amitz>Interesitng, I only remember Newark, Freemont, and Dallas at the momemnt. Maybe because they're mentioned here when they're down. So the other one rarely downs...
10:23<purrdeta>what are yalls thoughts on wildcard DNS
10:23<alpo>or more to the point... people in atlanta can't get on IRC ??
10:23<randallman>Well I think there is a facility to do that :0
10:23<randallman>and it works
10:23<randallman>so whatever else, who knows :)
10:24<amitz>wait, I thought "Newark, Atlanta" :-p
10:26<amitz>purrdeta: wildcard burdens DNS server? :-p
10:26<amitz>no matter how negligible?
10:28<purrdeta>My friend said I should change all my records to *.domain to save myself time when I wanted to create new subdomains or change IP addresses.
10:28<purrdeta>she said she does the same thing
10:28<randallman>Well thats just frakkin lazy
10:28<randallman>They are appropriate to use if you intend to do some type of coding around 'this appserver handles ALL the hosts, but does somethign different for each host' or sompn
10:29<purrdeta>haha I agree. Also, I was thinking of running something like that but we will see
10:29<purrdeta>omg mikebot took 2 seconds to lolz me!
10:31<@mikegrb>mmm cake
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10:38<ayk_alp>hey guys, can anyone do me a favour? need to check spam score
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10:40<purrdeta>hmm I wonder what I did to make my server be more optimized... it was using a TON of RAM and swap... and now it isnt... lol
10:40<randallman>Reboot? :p heh
10:40<randallman>(Windows, right?)
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11:01<amitz>I love Science and Technology section of The Economist magazine.
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11:04<julesce>Hi again guys, another question if you please :) On Ubuntu 9, serving rails app via Passenger. Got things setup so that public_html is symlink to the public directory of the rails app in question. When I browse to the site though I keep on getting this error: Forbidden - You don't have permission to access / on this server.
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11:05<bliblok>Does the webserver user have access to the relevant files?
11:05<julesce>looking in the error log, i see the following error: Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible
11:06<julesce>I'm new to linux, and these permissions are going to be the end of me :P
11:06<julesce>how can i figure out which file or folder does not have the relevant permissions? Is that even the problem?
11:09<laser`>What you possibly need is FollowSymLinks in your Apache config
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11:12<julesce>I'm trying that but I can't quite get it...
11:12<julesce><Directory "/srv/www/"> Options FollowSymlinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory>
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11:12<julesce>if there is a public_html folder inside that '/srv/www/' folder, should that work?
11:13<julesce>well i mean if that public_html folder is a symlink
11:13<laser`>I think so
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11:17<julesce>how do i set permissions on a folder to allow access to everyone?
11:18<julesce>sorry i'm probably just being lazy now :(
11:18<@tychoish>what do you mean everyone?
11:18<@tychoish>everyone with a system account or everyone via apache?
11:18<julesce>i need apache to be able to access it
11:19<julesce>is there something like 'all'?
11:19<@tychoish>chown www-data:www-data is probably pretty smart
11:19<@tychoish>so that the apache user has access to it
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11:21<julesce>what is the www-data:www-data in that command?
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11:21<@tychoish>chown syntax is "chown [username]:[groupname] files"
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11:21<@tychoish>you might want to use the -R flag for recursive
11:22<julesce>ok so does apache use www-data ?
11:22<Karrde>what possesses people to run "chmod -R 777 *" in / !?!?
11:22<Karrde>I have yelled at this team before for doing it and I just had to again
11:23<Karrde>THIS time I know *exactly* who and when :D
11:24<tarpman>Karrde: that's what you get for giving people root ;)
11:25<@tychoish>julesce: yes, apache reads and writes files as www-data
11:25<@tychoish>in general, you don't want to give *all* write access to *anything*
11:26<julesce>i couldn't care less if it got this shizzle to work :(
11:26<julesce>so i'm made www-data owner of the public_html symlink and then the folder that it links to
11:26<julesce>and still getting the same error
11:27<julesce>Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible
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11:28<julesce>does linode offer support of any kind? even paid support?
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11:30<amitz>julesce: nope.
11:32<bd_>julesce: Only if something they provided explodes. Or if they feel nice (which happens somewhat frequently, but keep in mind they're not guarenteeing any service beyond making sure it boots)
11:32<julesce>ok sure
11:32<julesce>argh i'm at wits end :(
11:33<julesce>the worst thing is I know its a simple little problem
11:34<@tychoish>oh, it's a symlink
11:35<@tychoish>isn't there an apache option for "follow symlinks" somewhere
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11:37<amitz>julesce: yes there is an option to follow or not to follow symlinks. Is that set properly?
11:38<amitz>julesce: you might want to eliminate optential problem one by one. Maybe, for now, move your application to public_html instead of symlinking it?
11:38<armbruster>'univate' sounds a lot like 'urinate'; i don't know if that's just me.
11:38<@tychoish>I--and this is me personally--tend to have the "real" directory be in /srv/www/domain/public_html and then sym link that wherever I need it to
11:40<amitz>armbruster: maybe that's your dyslexia talking. :-) But I do have some disturbing associations in my mind for some nicks here...
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11:41<armbruster>guy's, is it possible to:
11:41<julesce>ok thanks guys, i'll carry on playing around here
11:41<armbruster>my university blocks facebook, and it's important i get on right now.
11:42<@caker>facebook? important? :)
11:42<armbruster>is it possible to access it through my linode?
11:42<armbruster>very, there's a message in there i need.
11:42<@caker>armbruster: ssh socks proxy
11:42<armbruster>for class schedule. D:
11:42<armbruster>what's the easiest way to go through with that?
11:43<Pryon>armbruster: windows or linux?
11:43<armbruster>ubuntu 8.04 linode, and i'm running mac os x.
11:44<Pryon>you run ssh from a terminal in mac os or is there some GUI?
11:44<armbruster>terminal's a full ssh client.
11:44<armbruster>i'm running irssi in it right now. :)
11:44<Pryon>set up a ssh tunnel to your linode and then use the local end as a proxy for your browser
11:45<tarpman>or just ssh to your linode and run elinks
11:45<tarpman>even understands mouse events! :)
11:45<tarpman>armbruster: elinks - advanced text-mode WWW browser
11:46<armbruster>phhh. that and facebook wouldn't mix.
11:46<mwalling>have you tried it?
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11:47<armbruster>i would just imagine.
11:47<mwalling> Sorry, we're not cool enough to support your browser. Please keep it real with one of the following browsers:
11:47<tarpman>* Safari
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11:47<tarpman>* Safari
11:47<tarpman>* Safari
11:47<armbruster>Eew Safari.
11:47<armbruster>I hate Safari. ):
11:47<tarpman>clearly if you're cool enough to use facebook
11:47<tarpman>you must be a mac user.
11:47<armbruster>that i am.
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11:47<armbruster>i enjoy os x.
11:47<@caker>armbruster: on your mac: ssh -D 6666 username@ip-address-of-linode. Then set your browser's socks proxy to localhost 6666
11:48<amitz>mwalling: you see to be quite familiar with exotic programs..
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11:48<@caker>drive by tech support
11:48<mwalling>amitz: exotic like urmom
11:48<mwalling>caker: no, too stoopid to use screen
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11:49<amitz>yay, I'm an exotic guy!
11:50<amitz>girls drool over me.
11:50*amitz almost use "on" instead of "over"..
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11:58<linbot>New news from forums: Ftp Chmod 755 in General Discussion <>
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12:02<armbruster>well, i wonder if the school could stop proxies.
12:02<armbruster>due to the fact i just tried caker's advice.
12:03<armbruster>and it just loads blank pages.
12:03<armbruster>11:47 <@caker> armbruster: on your mac: ssh -D 6666 username@ip-address-of-linode. Then set your browser's socks proxy to localhost 6666
12:03<armbruster>11:48 <@caker> done/.
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12:04<hojuruku>manually mounting a livecd inside a linode is a bitch ;)
12:04<amitz>armbruster: say by any remote chance, do you have ipmasq installed?
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12:04<@caker>hojuruku: ? mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/
12:04<hojuruku>no no, i had to put my own kernel in for squashfs and aufs
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12:04<amitz>oh, sorry, that was mac.
12:04<@caker>ah, yeah
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12:04<hojuruku>now that's done, i've created the rw overlay and i'm just doing the aufs mount, then i can run anaconda
12:05<@caker>what are you doing?
12:05<@caker>much easier to install locally and then lob it up
12:05<hojuruku>i'm going to put up a nfs server for anyone else, so they can just do the conventional mount a cdrom image over nfs and install.
12:05<armbruster>oh nevermind, i got it.
12:05<amitz>armbruster: yeah, I also fail to use linode tunneling by that method.
12:05<amitz>armbruster: oh, what did you do?
12:06<hojuruku>caker if you give me a spare linode for a day, i'll do it document it and put it on the wiki. if you want to put it on your nfs or mine i don't care (preferabely yours) - then all gentoo based livecd distros work, possibly for ubuntu too.
12:06<mwalling>i had issues with SOCKS proxies, went to squid
12:06<hojuruku>now im not in korea, i'm in china, the internet is fucken censored, man i need my linode and so does all my friends
12:06<armbruster>is there any way i could make a public sock proxy?
12:06<hojuruku>oh shit, i'll get in trouble for dishing china, purge that from the logs, you log this damn it! sorry's to the PRC - I hate australia much more and I don't mean to shit in my own nest :P
12:07<mwalling>armbruster: Tor
12:07<hojuruku>caker: what's your policy on tor exit nodes on a linode? too much trouble?
12:07<armbruster>i'd like to host a public sock, unless linode says no.
12:07<mwalling>!skynet what can i do with my linode
12:07<linbot>mwalling: What can I do with my Linode? It's probably easier to tell you what you cannot do: Nothing illegal and nothing that interferes with other customers and services. Our Terms of Service document is located here:
12:07<@caker>hojuruku: we don't disallow them, but you're on the hook for any abuse
12:08<hojuruku>caker: fair enough, i'm tempted so tor gives me the extra bandwith. i'll use a different ip from my server just so you know it wasn't me. that's why i just ordered one on my account
12:08<armbruster>could a person put my linode's ip as the sock IP, and the port?
12:08<@jed>hojuruku: so we know it wasn't you?
12:09*jed is confused
12:09<armbruster>would that work, or would you have to be locally connected to the linode?
12:09<amitz>mwalling: you mean linode as SOCKS proxies? But I'm really curious why it doesn't work. It nags me. other application can use linode SOCKS but not firefox 3.
12:09<hojuruku>jed: i'll use one ip for my business and one for the tor / socks / friends exit node
12:09<@jed>and both of them are yours :)
12:09<hojuruku>jed: look if someone uses my tor exit node to download child porn how am I responsible?
12:09<@caker>hojuruku: because it's your Linode.
12:09<armbruster>you're responsible.
12:10<@jed>the traffic passed through your linode's network interface
12:10<armbruster>ive changed my mind. :/
12:10<bd_>hojuruku: You ran the tor exit node, linode gets the abuse mail, you have to deal with the abuse _somehow_.
12:10<armbruster>oooh, underline!
12:10<@jed> section 3 paragraph 9 is relevant to this discussion
12:10<hojuruku>jed: ok, so i run the exit node, i'll have to transparent proxy and log the shit to cover my ass right?
12:10<bd_>Consider: "Look, if someone uses my open relay to send spam, how am I responsible?"
12:11<@jed>"logging shit" != "covering ass"
12:11<bd_>sorry, but that argument doesn't work :)
12:11<hojuruku>jed:the configuration can be used to block access to certian ports, eg 25 bittorrent etc etc
12:11<@jed>you can log all you want, you're just providing more evidence, honestly
12:11<amitz>armbunot that I'm aware of.
12:11<bd_>hojuruku: Ports don't matter. Abuse matters.
12:12<bd_>No abuse = no problem
12:12<hojuruku>amrbustr: look up all about tor exit nodes, they will tell you the trouble you are getting into running a public proxy. so be careful with it's configuration and be restrictive. maybe you can steal some embassy passwords whilst your at it
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12:12<amitz>hojuruku: some part of the wolrd have different method in assigning responsibilities.
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12:12<mwalling>the entire internet should run tor, then no one is responsable for anything
12:12<mwalling>then we can have all you can eat kiddie porn!
12:12<hojuruku>amrbustr: must make pptp tunnels / socks proxies and give only your friends the password. give your friends unique private ips. Use nat and log the bastards
12:12<mwalling>and WAREZ!
12:13<bd_>mwalling: Yes, WAREZ at the blazingly fast speed of 2 kB/s
12:13<hojuruku>i use to to connect to bittorrent trackers, and the downloads are direct to me :)
12:13<mwalling>bd_: but you're not accountable for your actions!
12:13<bd_>mwalling: And that's what counts!
12:13*mwalling vanishes
12:13<bd_>hojuruku: You do realize your bittorrent client, if it connects directly, is still telling the tracker and all of its peers your real IP, right?
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12:15<armbruster>what's the fastest time you've seen a bittorrent go at?
12:15<armbruster>i think i've seen 5 mbps at one point, it downloaded so fast.
12:15<armbruster>2k-something peers.
12:17<laser`>bits, or bytes?
12:17<laser`>I've got 12 Mbits easily on my home connection
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12:17<armbruster>i'm starting to love using my linode to irc.
12:17<armbruster>it's pretty handy.
12:17<laser`>Ah, not bad then :)
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12:19<hojuruku>guys, you know how we get private ips now, can we talk to linode buddies in the same datacentre? and what's this about me having to choose HE because i'm in Asia?
12:20<armbruster>i seriously didn't follw that.
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12:21<armbruster>i'm out, class is over.
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12:21<hojuruku-dc>ah shit, crap installed on the internet cafe. i used ie because it had java pre-installed
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12:21<@tychoish>you don't have to choose HE, though connection times to Asia will likely be better given geographies
12:22<hojuruku-dc>what i meant firstly is we all get our own class-c address for use in the datacentre. 1) is it firewalled to talk to only our own linodes or can we chat to our buddies servers in the same datacentre?
12:22<@tychoish>if you set up private networking you can communicate with other linodes on the private network in the same data center
12:23<hojuruku-dc>i think linode should extend on that and let us all talk together outside normal bandwith charges on the private network. add it as a unique selling point. get a leased line or something between the datacentres as a commercial vpn offering. then users can help users with distributed compiling(in chroots) and other file archives etc
12:23<hojuruku-dc>atlanta is the most popular datacentre right because it was the first to get xen?
12:23<@caker>hojuruku-dc: very funny :)
12:24<Pryon>I think linode should get me a pony
12:24<@tychoish>I'm not the guy to ask with regards to the networking setup, but the private network isn't specific to the linodes on your account in a given datacenter
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12:24<hojuruku-dc>pyron: why do you want the pony? i'm definately not doing an open proxy with people like you around
12:24<@jed>it isn't
12:24<@jed>in the slightest
12:24<Pryon>hojuruku-dc: It's a metaphor
12:25<@jed>that's why I encourage customers with data sensitivity requirements to encrypt all traffic between their linodes as, due the nature of networking (out of our control) people can drop a periscope and listen in
12:25<hojuruku-dc>pryon: i know, i'm just adding to the continunity of the discussion ;P
12:25<Pryon>Also, please don't set up an open proxy in Fremont
12:25<@jed>obviously I have more faith in my customer base than that, but alas
12:25<amitz>I have a theory on the relationship between the best thread and this :-p
12:26<hojuruku-dc>jed: so it is open, so if i do a howto to do a nfs install of sabayon and kindly mirror the nfs of some cdrom images other uses in Atlanta NAP can access my NFS share if i have it open?
12:26<hojuruku-dc>caker: you are like bankers. you are running xen baloon. you know not everyone uses all their memory so i bet you can oversubscribe. if you do this think of all the gentoo systems doing less compiling when they run sabayon
12:27<@caker>we're not going to lease lines between facilities, sorry.
12:27<hojuruku-dc>also sabayon lets users (and people who trust each other) mirror binaries. it will really add to the community scene if you get sabayon, or at least make a normal way of installing it on a linode
12:27<@jed>sabayon is a desktop linux distribution...
12:27<hojuruku-dc>caker: i know, it was just a wild guess, i asked for the private ip feature 2 years ago remember :P that was my doing. i thought i was on a roll :P
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12:28<hojuruku-dc>jed: BS, sabayon core. Sabayon = gentoo + entropy
12:28<hojuruku-dc>jed: sabayon is used on servers. it can install a core version with no windows, even from the desktop CDs. Entropy is one of the best package managers.
12:30<hojuruku-dc>i bashed a gentoo 2008.0 into latest x86, then added sabayon from layman. got equo going, it was a bitch i first at first, but if you type equo hop 5, like magic it upgrades your gentoo into sabayon. now you get quick painless updates, and all of gento security updates get merged in without you knowing should their be a vunerbility (GLSA)
12:31<hojuruku-dc>caker: i can install most things (with the use flags i like - which are usually pretty sane) in seconds when before it would take a day of compiling, but now, i'm also putting a 32 bit distribution on and hosting a version of sabayon for UMPC users that's 486 CHOST (yes there is a perfromance increase on those geodes)
12:34<hojuruku-dc>caker: what's the point of limiting the memory in your linode? can you use that memory in another linode?
12:36<Pryon>pretty sure automagic memory frobbing is not currently supported in xen
12:38<hojuruku-dc>this memory baloon feature you want us to turn on means we don't allocate all the memory we pay for. i bet that you could oversubscribe the servers right? hehe, what happens if i turn it off. will i get a performance boost? will you get mad ;P
12:38<@jed>we don't use balloon
12:38<hojuruku-dc>is that what your talking about?
12:38<hojuruku-dc>hey in your PV-grub guide you say to turn the feature on in your kernel? is that reserved for future use?
12:38<@jed>you get allocated exactly what you pay for
12:39<@jed>s/your PV-grub guide you/the Wiki's PV-grub guide the customer who wrote it/
12:39<hojuruku-dc>hey it's perfectly normal. that's one of the main selling points for virtualization. also the banks have been doing it with our money for years. borrowing 1 dollar and lending 9 ;)
12:39<@jed>xen balloon presence in the domU isn't strictly required, I have a feeling the author of that article just selected everything Xen
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12:39<@jed>no, it isn't perfectly normal, and we're not going to do it
12:39<Pryon>bad analogies are...bad
12:39<hojuruku-dc>jed: sounds good. just checking
12:40<hojuruku-dc>jed: i turned it on anyway just to be nice. I'm a cheeky SOB in case you haven't noticed.
12:46<hojuruku-dc>jed: i want to talk to an op about what would meet the definiation of abuse. Polictical protesting /canvessing an issue that the Australian newspapers want suppressed: 60C NSW Crimes Act. rarest crime in Australia and I'm accused of it. crime of listening to the name of a lesbian cop's gay cop girlfriend = 5 years jail. I'm thinking of doing something similar to but for Australian cronies.
12:47<hojuruku-dc>jed: i've been in excile for 2 years. i'm wanted for arrest. just google 60c nsw crimes act. nobody else is accused of that crime in history so it shoudln't be very hard to find me on google for it. 1 hour of radio interviews and cops recorded voices are online. i'm making a well preseted site that breaks australian but not international laws, technically there is no "dual criminality" so the aussie cops cant take action in the US, and that's all you n
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12:53<hojuruku-dc>if the aussies don't like it they already know they can't do anything. all they can hope to do is block my site with their contraversial web filter and make me more famous ;)
12:55<tarpman>sounds like you want rather than a linode
12:55<SelfishMan>Nah, Linode is fine but you are going to need a 2880 to handle the traffic
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12:57<HoopyCat>amitz: without a dehumidifier, the basement is dank and musty, and standing water accumulates during rainy periods
12:57<@caker>the dehumidifier is strong enough to take up the standing water?
12:58<@caker>I guess it lowers the RH enough to allow for moar evap?
12:58*stan_theman replaces his shower drain with HoopyCat's dehumidifier
12:58<HoopyCat>hojuruku-dc: become familiar with section 230 of the communications decency act; in general, you probably won't get an answer yes/no out of linode on questions like that
12:58<path>my basement at my old house had water that would seep up too, and i ran a dehumidifier all the time
12:59<path>but i just connected a hose and ran it into the drain
12:59<HoopyCat>hojuruku-dc: from the standpoint of a provider of an interactive computer service, it ain't a problem until it's a problem, and at that point, it's your problem
13:00<HoopyCat>caker: yeah; it'll sometimes take a few days, but i'll often wheel the dehumidifier over so it'll exhaust its dryness upon the wetness and that speeds things up. we're talking "leakfrog would go nuts" but not "get out a shopvac" standing water
13:00<hojuruku-dc>hoopycat: anyway there is a lot worse on the internet (outside australia) than my database on criminal cops that are immune from investigation, so let it be, i'll just back it up and go to slicehost if they raid you, and back again and so on and so forth
13:01<HoopyCat>path: i don't have a drain, you inconsiderate clod
13:01<purrdeta>lesbian cops? :P
13:01<purrdeta>I am just confused about this whole thing :P
13:01<path>pics or it didn't happen!
13:02<hojuruku-dc>GLLO = gay and lesbian liasion officer. they have them in australia. Want to see a picture of them doing tug of war with the dykes on bikes motorcycle gang? here's the link:,_Diversity_and_Partnership_Postcard.pdf
13:02<hojuruku-dc>path: there is your pics
13:02<HoopyCat>hojuruku-dc: and especially are good things to know, from an inside-the-US perspective. other countries may vary.
13:02<hojuruku-dc>path: wanna see the pic of the ugly dyke cop that arrested me?
13:02<purrdeta>so what does the GLLO *do*?
13:02<path>not really, i was just curious if were going to start posting links
13:02<Battousai>that definitely wasn't the tug of war i thought it was
13:03<amitz>HoopyCat: I don't use dehumidifier. I'll just get myself used to the dank and must :-p
13:03<hojuruku-dc>purredeta: answer the phone for the gay help line. If you see the ad in the link above, police encourage gay people to call up to "get to know their local GLLO" if i called up to make friends, they would put me in jail for being a public nuscience or even better use their powers to automatically put me inside a mental institution
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13:04<SelfishMan>hojuruku-dc: Maybe you *are* a public nuisance
13:05<path>if this channel is consider public.. yea
13:05<hojuruku-dc>puredata: i had a gay neighbour call the special gay police onto me. the gay cop promised to pick up my cctv alibi , but then realised she'd have to do a dyke on dyke and charge a fellow homosexual for providing a false statement to police, so instead she perverted the course of justice (14 years jail) i got out of the country after making my complaint and 5 detectives raided my house. i've been in excile ever since. the gay cop has never been formally
13:05<purrdeta>ok so would they do that because you have done bad things or because you arent gay. Or because you are just crazy
13:05<purrdeta>so you are a gay hater? :P
13:05<hojuruku-dc>purrdeta: in australia, basically any homosexual is a powerbroker that can call their gay cop mates in to do favors, i I didn't have a lesbain cop that lived 150m away from me with her federal police officer gilfriend then i wouldn't have all this shit.
13:06<HoopyCat>definitely paranoid, perhaps a wee bit homophobic, and arguably delirious. sign me up!
13:06<purrdeta>I see
13:07<hojuruku-dc> - that's the picture of the gay cop, there's more on one page back about why this shit happened. other than that i wont post more about it in the channel
13:07<amitz>HoopyCat: Seriously, it's a matter of my habit. Non-tropical weather is a bit too dry for me.
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13:08<weezy[blinkenshell]>is dallas having issues?
13:08<purrdeta>So what exactly have you *done* besides piss off a lesbian?
13:08<hojuruku-dc>homophobic, antisemetic whatever. Try having a GLLO come to your house, kick your door in and try and frame you for a crime. It happened to Rubin Carter didn't it, except he got it because he was black. I got it because I didn't take it up the ass.
13:08<weezy[blinkenshell]>im having ssh lad and disconnects
13:08<HoopyCat>weezy[blinkenshell]: dallas appears good from here... mtr ?
13:08<waldo_>the gay conspiracy. now i am really glad i hang out on #linode.
13:08<HoopyCat>weezy[blinkenshell]: traceroute works too if you don't have mtr handy
13:08<purrdeta>omg the homos are taking over the world.
13:09<weezy[blinkenshell]>ah, looks better now
13:09<weezy[blinkenshell]>perhaps my isp is having issues
13:09<weezy[blinkenshell]>sype is frwaking out aswell
13:09<weezy[blinkenshell]>skype freaking^
13:09<Pryon>you evil telco-robbing VOIP user
13:09<hojuruku-dc>purrdeta: i won in court, then they come after me again witha double jeopardy proseuction : 60c nsw crimes act. rarest law in austrlaia with only 2 convictions according to crime stats. the law was made for organised crime groups and has only been used against me. you can see it written on a search warrant with my name on it, and they have harrased my family looking for me in Australia until they found i was overseas... google 60c nsw crimes act and g
13:09<HoopyCat>weezy[blinkenshell]: yeah, they'll do that once in awhile :-)
13:09*weezy[blinkenshell] shakes fist
13:09<purrdeta>I have googled it... I cant figure out what exactly it *is* that is so illegal?
13:10<weezy[blinkenshell]>perhaps is going abannans because they blackballed my skypage
13:10<weezy[blinkenshell]>why cant i type?
13:10<hojuruku-dc>i'm getting disconnects too, i thought it was just being in china. check there is no timeouts configured in your sshd_config
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13:11<hojuruku-dc>purrdeta: knowing a name = 5 years jail. any person who "obtains personal information" on a police officer gets it. in america you can get the names of every cops relatives in seconds. but in Austrlaia we have a secret society.
13:11<purrdeta>I see...
13:11<weezy[blinkenshell]>hojuruku-dc: i dont see any
13:11<hojuruku-dc>google: "60c nsw crimes act" i'm no #1 #2, government is #3
13:12<purrdeta>so since you knew a lesbian cops name they are trying to prosecute you?
13:12<hojuruku-dc>nobody else talk about it except me and the state government. when the law was made peter breen MP said if this law existed 10 years prior "Tim Andersen" would still be in jail, who was framed with our 9/11 - the hilton bombing. there is a documentary on youtube about it being a conspiracy perpetrated by the government (ASIO). it's on youtube too
13:12<Pryon>Paging Lt. Dangle
13:13<SelfishMan>hojuruku-dc: maybe nobody talks about it because they feel the charges against you are justified
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13:13<HoopyCat>i appear to be having an acute apathy attack, as well.
13:13<hojuruku-dc>actually detective saregent michael O'keefe head detective in Balmain (Leichhardt Area Command) has now taken over from the gay cop. there is a 10 page search warrant i managed to obtain by threatening the court house with obsturction of justice. the old site it was hosted on was overseas, but the owner lived in Austrlaia and got a walk in by people wearing gunbets. all my posts from were removed (i had friends on that site)
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13:14<purrdeta>you don't sound like much of a team player...
13:14<hojuruku-dc>the gay cop is kate howe, i'm luke mckee etc etc it's a real story
13:14<SelfishMan>hojuruku-dc: Honestly, none of us care
13:14<purrdeta>Just because it is a real story doesnt mean you are "right"
13:14<HoopyCat>alas, all i know is a lesbian librarian's name
13:15*rainman` can only answer: TLDR
13:15<hojuruku-dc>selfishman: lets keep it that way. when the FBI gets request to co-operate from the NSW cops and blindly does it, I hope you continue to not to care ;) because what i'm doing is not a crime under US law
13:15<purrdeta>I must say, if you are the "Luke McKee" on facebook under "South Korea" you are rather cute
13:15<hojuruku-dc>purrdeta: do i bend over now or later?
13:15<HoopyCat>hojuruku-dc: SelfishMan is not a linode employee (and neither is anyone else who doesn't have a @ in front of their name)
13:15<HoopyCat>hojuruku-dc: so SelfishMan will, inherently, not care
13:16<SelfishMan>I just feel that #linode is the best forum for this
13:16<purrdeta>just because you are cute does not mean I feel the need to fuck you. Infact, your personality is very atrocious.
13:16<HoopyCat>purrdeta: jpg?
13:16<hojuruku-dc>the us have great laws. a court order is required before a site can get a takedown notice. in Australia people are required to "co-operate" with law enforcement directives of any kind or be charged with "hindering police". thank god linode runs in the USA, not some backwater hole like Australia
13:16<purrdeta> < there is one
13:16<HoopyCat>hojuruku-dc: actually, a court order is NOT required for a takedown
13:16<hojuruku-dc>purrdata: joking, austrlian straight men can enjoy a few gay jokes :P
13:16<hojuruku-dc>thats me 10 years ago :P
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13:17<HoopyCat>eh, not my type, but carry on
13:17<@jed>anyone tried CentOS 5.3 yet?
13:17<@jed>with my Awesome Hax to make it boot in 8 flat?
13:17<Pryon>awwww dad. Do we have to?
13:17<SelfishMan>jed: I thought there were issues with CentOS
13:17<@jed>I pushed it back out!
13:17<SelfishMan>as in, it doesn't exactly exist anymore
13:17<@jed>oh no, they figured it out
13:17<purrdeta>how old are you anyway Mr hojuruku
13:17<@jed>I give them a year, though
13:17<SelfishMan>Did they?
13:17*SelfishMan hits the web
13:18<Pryon>a/s/l for purrdeta
13:18<HoopyCat>jed: i'm waiting for mikegrb to deploy the "! people still use CentOS?!?!"
13:18<hojuruku>anyway, forget this shit.. back to business. damn anaconda on sabayon is segfaulting. my linux32 aufs chroot seems to be working. if python segfaults wtf could be wrong? stack trace time...
13:18<Pryon>too highly optimized
13:18<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 22% full. Last emptied Thursday at 07:30 EDT, last full on Thursday at 04:30 EDT after running for 35.0 hours.
13:18<hojuruku>CentOS was a joke, and always is a joke. Compared to redhat server it was a joke, and it wasn't binary compatible with the add ons made for RHEL4
13:19<hojuruku>the other customer is on to something with the ssh disconnects. it's plauging me even to atlanta HVC console session
13:20<HoopyCat>out of 289 people in this channel, two having crappy connections is pretty darned good
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13:20<purrdeta>does china even have "good" internet
13:21<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: my connection sucks
13:21<SelfishMan>of course, I do have a few thousand tcp and udp connections open maxing out the tiny little pipe I have here
13:21<rainman`>well, just google maps is a few hundred already :)
13:22<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: you mean "your internet connection is working extremely well"
13:22<Turl>my internet ADSL connection sucks
13:23<Turl>but well, at least mine doesn't have all that 'transparent proxies', the p2p packet dropping and that crap
13:23<hojuruku>selfishman: udp sessions?
13:23<amitz>my wifi over bluetooth over 3G connection sucks/
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13:24<hojuruku>i'm so pissed off, i could do the whole convert a gentoo to sabayon thing again, but i'm trying to do a proper install from a livecd. now the latest problem is after emulating a livecd boot, the console is too screwy for ncurses+python. so i have to kill my sshd and start up another one in the chroot
13:25<hojuruku>the only problem here is my ssh connection can't stay open long enough to do a full install! which i've done before no problem in Korea - but then i didn't have this screwy internet! i wouldn't have mentioned it if the other user didn't pipe up.
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13:26<HoopyCat>you think that's bad? there's no god damned cheese here. no cheese! how in the fsck can i make a proper ham sandwich without any cheese? it's a conspiracy, i tell you. 'cuz we all know *they* don't eat cheese on their ham sandwiches
13:26*Daevien throws a ball of string at HoopyCat
13:27<path>i haz cheese
13:27*amitz gives HoopyCat goat, to be milked, to be cheesed.
13:28<J-Node>Got to play with a baby goat yesterday. Very cute. Would like one to mow the lawn for me.
13:28<hojuruku>Hoopycat: you think I'm bad. At the UTS in Sydney (university of technology) there was a convention of engineers and physisists debunking the 9/11 offical story. no conspiracy theorists allowed, just people who don't believe in BS. One fools truth is another man's conspiracy
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13:28<path>i think you're insane.
13:29<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: Damn you. Now I want a hot ham and sharp cheddar for lunch but I don't have time
13:29<hojuruku>path: actually not. i wont even start the 9/11 shit here, i think we can all RTFM.
13:29<amitz>won't somebody think of the baby goats?
13:29<SelfishMan>hojuruku: man screen
13:29<SelfishMan>mmmm....babby goat
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13:30<J-Node>Or maybe it should be pocito cabrito.
13:30<@jed>prior to joining linode I worked in radio. at the last station I worked at, I produced an evening caller talk show which had an edge. a professor at a community college launched a hunger strike in front of senator mccain's office (PHX) and sent us a press release.
13:31<@jed>we got him on air and made fun of him, and the host promised to deliver him food
13:31<@jed>so, sure enough, I got sent to bring a pizza to him
13:31<@jed>about 13 days into his hunger strike
13:31<purrdeta>I wanna work at a radio station kinda... hmm
13:31<@jed>basically, he was striking until mccain would give him an hour to explain that 9/11 was an inside job
13:31<@jed>(he gave up on day 18)
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13:32<SelfishMan>not very committed to his cause then
13:32<@jed>they went after me because of my weight, of course
13:32<@jed>imagine that
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13:34<path>nice jed
13:34<@jed>there's a lot of leadup to me actually walking up because we're coordinating the taping
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13:36<HoopyCat>jed: ooh snap
13:36<@jed>I wish I still had the audio from that
13:37<hojuruku>ah shit: now i've lost my hvc console grrrrr. i'm trying to get it back
13:37<hojuruku>openrc did something because i was too lazy to generate my ssh keys on the chroot by hand
13:38<@jed>the community college he worked at ended up firing him
13:38<@jed>he put whatever his name was, Blair Gadsby or whatever, "Associate Professor of Religious Studies, Mesa Community College" on the press release
13:38<linbot>New news from forums: Has my new Linode been compromised already? in General Discussion <>
13:39<@jed>then called to say "please don't name my employer on the air"
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13:39<@jed>what a day that was
13:40<HoopyCat>there are few things more amusing than the ol' "I am mumblesnurf cronfragle of murfrumrutz for the IMPRESSIVE SOUNDING EMPLOYER HERE and this is why you should believe me"
13:40<amitz>interesting story, too bad my connection has gone too bad to listen to your links :-)
13:40<hojuruku>what public internet cafe runs nat anyway. wtf this chinese joke. nobody in any internet cafe in china get's a hard disk. all diskless windows shit, and the locals have to hand over their ID cards before they can even get on
13:40<Karrde>amitz: syntax error
13:40<Karrde>unmatched )
13:41*HoopyCat is waiting for the paperwork from
13:41<amitz>succesfully compiled ---- Intelligent Compiler 3.42
13:44<Pryon>HoopyCat: paperwork?
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13:45<HoopyCat>Pryon: the usual "zomg that's libel"
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13:48<Pryon>"How would a 12-year-old know what a cockroach looks like?" Makes me wonder if this person knows what a cockroach is
13:49<rainman`>read about it on irc
13:49<Pryon>HoopyCat: So what do you do as the admin of this wiki? You wait until they lawyer up and you get some physical paper? How do you respond to legal threats? Do you respond to (verbal, wiki) legal threats?
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13:58<HoopyCat>Pryon: dunno yet! hasn't happened yet, but this is a somewhat unusual situation. about all the info i have is already available (time and source IP); all i can add is raw web server logs, if they've not rotated off, so i suppose some situations like these "resolve themselves" between the parties involved...
14:00*silverblade facepalms some more
14:00<silverblade>this "other vps company" seem to think that "install ubuntu" is codeword for "take offline"
14:01<HoopyCat>Pryon: i can only hope the first sentence of that comment is an outright lie.
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14:05<hojuruku>whats your favourite pastebin?
14:08<silverblade>If you contacted a support department and complained that they had messed up, would you expect them to thank you for updating them?! O_o
14:09<hojuruku> looks like no can do for livecd installation via anaconda. my virtually booted livecd works but the installer wont. Does that mean sabayon isn't xen installable?
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14:10<hojuruku>iopl() works in a linode?
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14:18<dajhorn>hojuruku: Your problem is more likely to be that /proc and /sys are unavailable. Notice the ENOENT before the PCI scan.
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14:24<hojuruku>no they were mounted. unless it's getting spooked by a 64 bit kernel. i run linux32 before the chroot
14:24<thelongmile>evening people, anyone have any experience configuring google apps
14:25<thelongmile>holy f.....
14:25<path>i need to make a new revision that is compatible with the new version of the perl module
14:25<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so clumsy, she tore her POSIX ACL! (750:4/2) [rmumo]
14:26<randallman>Sup patman
14:26<SelfishMan>path: the module doesn't have backwards compat?
14:26<thelongmile>alright and how do i get an API key
14:26<@caker>thelongmile:, my profile
14:26<path>SelfishMan: i haven't tested fully.. but i don't think so.
14:26<path>randallman: hey!
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14:30<HoopyCat>i THINK the old dns stuff works with the new API
14:30<rainman`>does the US not have a sales tax or something?
14:30<path>i probably should have put a version check in my script
14:30<thelongmile>google apps, looks like debian does not have the dh_make_perl modules
14:31<path>20/20 hindsight
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14:31<path>apt-get install dh-make-perl
14:31<path>dashes, not underscores
14:32<sknk>are there kernels that fix CVE-2009-2698 (in addition to CVE-2009-2692), also ?
14:32<palintheus>rainman`: not a national one, states, counties, cities determine their own sales tax, there is a national income tax
14:33*rainman` can't actually sell anything to an EU citizen without adding sales tax
14:33<thelongmile>oh wait, is there an issue with this and virtual hosts?
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14:33<@caker>sknk: see /topic regarding CVE-2009-2692
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14:34<sknk>caker: i've read that page a few times, now
14:34<linbot>New news from forums: Fedora 10? in Feature Request/Bug Report <> || Adobe ColdFusion 8 + Linode VPS in Sales Questions and Answers <>
14:34<sknk>caker: i don't see a reference to CVE-2009-2698, though
14:34<rainman`>dear facebook, please don't crash my browser
14:35<@caker>sknk: looking...
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14:37<HoopyCat>rainman`: also note that, generally speaking, states can only collect sales tax from companies with a physical presence in their state... if a company isn't physically present, it is up to the purchaser to pay sales tax. also, each state has different definitions of what is and is not taxable...
14:37<sknk>caker: there's not much info at, but it is already patched in RHEL kernels, i know.
14:37<@caker>still trying to find patch(es)
14:38<thelongmile>right unfortunatley the google apps script doesent seem to be compatible with debian 5
14:38<sknk>and debian kernels, if that helps
14:38<thelongmile>so, any instructions on how to do it manually
14:38<rainman`>HoopyCat, interesting
14:38<path>i think the script is compatible with debian 5
14:39<thelongmile>i get lots of error
14:39<path>i think it's not compatible with the latest version of webservice::linode
14:39<HoopyCat>if that's the one, then i checked's source tree a little while back and it already has it
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14:39<thelongmile>ill pastebin the error
14:39<@caker>Herbert Xu [Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:35:49 +0000 (14:35 -0700)] ??
14:39<johnnyfive_>i'm grabbing the rhel srpms now also, to see if i can pull their patch
14:40<thelongmile>thats the problem
14:40<path>thelongmile: those errors are weird
14:41<thelongmile>so, how would you do it manually
14:41<HoopyCat>rainman`: note that states are getting a little more cranky about stuff, since budgets are a little tight and, uhh, a lot of budgets "assumed" that people would "voluntarily start paying that 8.5% for stuff they buy online", which has... well, it works fine when you've got a surplus, you know?
14:41<@caker>rhel is stuck on 2.6.9? Wow, they have it worse than we do
14:41<path>you can manually install cpan modules, but i don't have time right now to explain that
14:41<path>i'm at work and can't walk you through it
14:41<johnnyfive_>caker: rhel is 2.6.18
14:41<thelongmile>oh no i meant set up google apps
14:41<@jed>caker: centos installed on me
14:41<johnnyfive_>2.6.18-128.7.1.el5 is the latest
14:42<@caker>I mean RHEL4 .. which is only one version ago
14:42<johnnyfive_>yeah, redhat tries not to introduce features once they make a RHEL release, only fixes ... it's intended for production environments
14:42<HoopyCat>i THINK, under new york state sales tax law, the services linode provides to me are tax exempt, because i have an httpd running... or something
14:43<randallman>we had a real hard time explaining why OUR apache-2.2.3 wasnt vulnerable to all of these CVEs since 2006....
14:43<randallman>Since it was a RHEL5.3 up2date apache
14:43<randallman>during a recent PCI scan
14:43<@jed>randallman: /query for a sec
14:43<HoopyCat>caker: you know, maybe you should just point Latest 2.6 at a RHEL5 kernel ;-)
14:43<rainman`>HoopyCat, being a business, i have to inform the tax authorities of the tax that i am theorethically supposed to pay on my linode, but then not have to pay it :)
14:43<johnnyfive_>lol, hoopy :-)
14:44*caker goes back to self-serve-upgraderating
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14:45<HoopyCat>rainman`: i pretty much just have to report sales. if i purchase something for resale (thus tax-exempt), it's up to the seller to put it on their return.
14:45<@tychoish>the upgraderador--and now I have the Hiphopopotomous song stuck in my head
14:46<HoopyCat>if i'm selling local telephone service in counties with more than 5,000 goats, i have to file some other paperwork, but fortunately, IP telephones have web servers on them, so taxation-wise, it's like strapping a piece of buttered bread to the back of a cat
14:48<silverblade>Both tasty, yet somewhat furry?
14:49<HoopyCat>brb, wgetting wife
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14:52<johnnyfive_>caker: here are the three patches of goodness to fix the two CVEs and one other issue ...
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14:52<johnnyfive_>caker: the first one is not related to a CVE, and the second two are for CVE-2009-2692 and CVE-2009-2698, respectively
14:54<@caker>second one is in there.
14:54<johnnyfive_>ok, excellent :-)
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14:55<randallman>Mitre Schmitre
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14:55<@caker>and so is the third
14:55<randallman>All your servers are belong to us
14:56<@caker>the xenbits guys must have pulled the fix in long ago. It's in our 2.6.18, and has been for a while
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14:57-!-mode/#linode [+q #linode!*@*] by caker
14:58-!-mode/#linode [-q #linode!*@*] by caker
14:58<@caker>whoops :)
15:00<johnnyfive_>Dear Kernel Version Choice Combo Box, Why don't you have for my linode?
15:02<johnnyfive_>all my linodes except two have the as an option. the others max out at is this a UML vs. Xen thing?
15:02<Karrde>assume so
15:03<johnnyfive_>so do i need to cancel these old Linodes and buy new ones, or how does this work, then? ;-)
15:03<path>ask to be xenified
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15:03<johnnyfive_>ok. i hope they can do it for legacy hosts
15:03<@jed>johnnyfive_: bet your socks we can
15:03<johnnyfive_>without having to reinstall. we shall see, i guess :-)
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15:05<johnnyfive_>ok, ticket is in ... time to take the puppy for a walk.
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15:20<Pryon>that's nm upside down and rotated pi radians along the x axis
15:20<Pryon>z axis
15:20<thelongmile>oh nothing, the server was responding... VERY slowly, nad im not 100% certain of what i have and have not done to get google apps workign
15:21<thelongmile>probably safari on the one thing
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15:23<thelongmile>server seems really slow
15:25<thelongmile>you remember you said to me last night that there was no point going for FTP
15:25<thelongmile>bad idea
15:25<thelongmile>wordpress updates, need ftp
15:25<Pryon>you can't use sftp?
15:26<aaronpk>i heard a rumor that if the web server user owns the wordpress files it can update them in place without ftp
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15:26<aaronpk>haven't tried it myself yet tho
15:26<thelongmile>wordpress gives me the option for FTP and FTPS
15:27<aaronpk>i'm going to try it real quick, hold on
15:27<thelongmile>still asks me for hostname username and password and ive not installed any type of ftp
15:27<aaronpk>so that i may know what i am talking about lol
15:28<silverblade>Fat Filesystem
15:29<aaronpk>yea that's awesome. it just upgrades itself if apache owns the files
15:29<thelongmile>SO what did you do?
15:29<aaronpk>chown -R apache: wordpress
15:29<thelongmile>just that
15:29<aaronpk>wherever your wordpress files are instsalled
15:30<aaronpk> /var/www/html/wordpress or /var/www/html/blog or whatever
15:30<thelongmile>oh right so chown -R apache: /srv/www/
15:30<thelongmile>thats valid?
15:30<aaronpk>assuming your blog is in the root folder, and not or something
15:31<thelongmile>thats fine
15:31<thelongmile>no wory
15:31<thelongmile>chown: invalid spec: `apache:'
15:31<aaronpk>your web user might be httpd or web or something
15:31<thelongmile>hm, it's apache2
15:32<Pryon>ubuntu or debian?
15:32<Pryon>are you using suexec?
15:32<thelongmile>no idea what that is so i guess no
15:32<Pryon>probably not. www-data is what you want most likely
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15:33<thelongmile>heres what im running
15:33<thelongmile> chown -R apache: /srv/www/
15:34<thelongmile>and i know that the files are in /srv/www/
15:34<Pryon>you don't have a user called apache
15:34<thelongmile>chown -R root ?
15:34<thelongmile>chown -R www-data ?
15:34<thelongmile>ah taht worked
15:35<Smark>why would you have all those files owned by www-data?
15:35<aaronpk>so that wordpress can upgrade itself
15:36<Smark>ah, yeah you could chmod them, but chown www-data is more secure i would think
15:36<thelongmile>flipping heck the server is so slow
15:36<thelongmile>really really slow
15:36<thelongmile>maybe it's worth rebooting the linode
15:37<Pryon>are you running windows on it or something?
15:38<Pryon>are you swapping?
15:38<thelongmile>right lets reboot the linode and see if the plugins still ask for ftp information
15:38<Pryon>why not just restart apache or whatever it is that's asking for this information?
15:38<thelongmile>cause the servers had a hell of a battling the last two days lol
15:39<thelongmile>AH! YES! THANKYOU!
15:39<thelongmile>worked perfectly
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15:45<HoopyCat>Pryon: thanks for covering for me while i was out
15:45<HoopyCat>i try to maintain at least 8 hours of bad math joke coverage in here per day, but sometimes i get behind
15:46<Pryon>HoopyCat * I = Pryon
15:47<Pryon>We've never been seen together
15:47<thelongmile>where would i find the curl and xml modules to enable in php
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15:48<Pryon>debian has no mechanism for searching for or installing packages. What a crappy distro
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15:48<thelongmile>it does
15:48<thelongmile>apt-cache search
15:48<silverblade>apt-cache search ...
15:48<thelongmile>high five silverblade
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15:54<@jed>omgz its not yum info though
15:54<@jed>therefore it must suck!
15:54<thelongmile>nah there are ways
15:55<thelongmile>anyway, anyone know how to enable cURL and XML in php?
15:55<@jed>should be packages for it
15:56<Daevien>hoopycat doesn't leave his house, he just makes made scientist invenstions like dehumidifiers that run websites & stuff
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16:01<thelongmile>i dont get it
16:01<thelongmile>how to i install curl?!
16:01<laser`>What OS?
16:01<laser`>Debian or Ubuntu?
16:01<laser`>Or Red Hat based
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16:01<gongura>apt-get install curl
16:01<johnnyfive_>apt-get install curl ?]
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16:02<laser`>apt-get install php5-curl
16:02<laser`>I woulg guess
16:02<laser`>But, that's the first result on Google
16:02<laser`>So I assume you've already googled and that's not working for some reason?
16:03<thelongmile>yeh tehres well, very few things that make sense here
16:03<thelongmile>most of it is saying it's already installed
16:04<gongura>then it must be already installed
16:04<thelongmile>it's not
16:04<gongura>what are you trying to do with it
16:04<thelongmile>no mention of it in php.ini
16:04<gongura>type curl -V
16:04<gongura>in the command line
16:04<laser`>I don't think it gets put in php.ini does it?
16:05<thelongmile>just about to paste
16:05<thelongmile>curl 7.18.2 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.18.2 OpenSSL/0.9.8g zlib/ libidn/1.8 libssh2/0.18
16:05<thelongmile>Protocols: tftp ftp telnet dict ldap ldaps http file https ftps scp sftp
16:05<thelongmile>Features: GSS-Negotiate IDN IPv6 Largefile NTLM SSL libz
16:05<thelongmile>taht seems to tell me it's installed
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16:05<laser`>Fedora whacks it in /etc/php.d
16:05<gongura>yes it is
16:05<laser`>Perhaps Ubuntu does something similar
16:05<laser`>Er, Debian
16:05<laser`>You have restarted Apache since you've installed it, right?
16:05<thelongmile>im in etc/php5/apache2
16:05<Yaakov>Features: GREAT HUGE LOVE FOR ALL OF YOU
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16:06<gongura>do this
16:06<HoopyCat>can you import the curl module into your php application's namespace successfully?
16:06<gongura>aptitude search curl
16:06<aaronpk>this happened to me earlier... iptables-save > firewall ends up with an empty file, but iptables-save outputs stuff. what am i missing?
16:06<HoopyCat>OH WAIT, sorry, i forgot, this is php
16:06*HoopyCat wanders off to the asshole corner
16:07<Kerem>HoopyCat :)
16:07<gongura>is there an "i" next to php5-curl ?
16:07<thelongmile>nope, tehres a p
16:07<gongura>right, then do this
16:07<gongura>aptitude install php5-curl
16:07<thelongmile>apt-get install php5-curl ?
16:07<thelongmile>well same thing
16:08<thelongmile>me thinks restarting apache might be wise
16:09<thelongmile>Got it
16:09<thelongmile>thanks ! :D
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16:09<thelongmile>god you guys are awesome
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16:10<HoopyCat>we're better than sox
16:11<thelongmile>you guys are awesomesauce
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16:11<thelongmile>so, any suggestions for a backup system?
16:11<straterra>in what regard?
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16:12<straterra>There's rdiff backup..and the usual suspect of backup utilities..backupexec, yosemite, etc etc
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16:12<thelongmile>backing up the sql and a particular folder
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16:13<straterra>a cronned mysql dump (or whatever db it is) and rsync would work
16:13<rainman`>don't back up sql files
16:13<rainman`>backup dumps
16:13<thelongmile>so login and take dumps regularly?
16:13<rainman`>unless you really really really know what you're doing
16:13<thelongmile>and dont say taking dumps regularly is good for your health
16:13<rainman`>no, build a cronjob that makes dumps
16:13<thelongmile>yeh good point
16:13<NetNoob>hi all.. i'm running a Windows VM on a Linode slice.. is it possible to modify the network layer on the windows VM so that all the traffic ( including windows app's network requests/transferrs) get all redirected thru a proxy?
16:13<rainman`>NetNoob, you're scaring me
16:13<armbruster>i really don't hope to insult you, but windows? gah.
16:13<silverblade>What the
16:13<NetNoob>rainman: what part's scary?
16:14<@mikegrb>mmm cake
16:14<silverblade>A slice of cake
16:14<thelongmile>it's possible to do that?!
16:14<rainman`>are you sure you're not a troll? :)
16:14<straterra>NetNoob: thats..not really a linode question. That's a windows networking question
16:14<Karrde>I'm not
16:14<rainman`>straterra, slicehost calls their VPSes slices :)
16:14<armbruster>'slice', and the fact you're running windows.
16:14<armbruster>windows = crap.
16:14<straterra>and'd need some kind of router on the proxy and route through it
16:14<straterra>armbruster: not really
16:14<armbruster>stratera: yes, really.
16:14<straterra>You could do it pretty easily with openvpn, actually
16:14<straterra>armbruster: not...really
16:14<HoopyCat>NetNoob: before we get started, i'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate you. anyway... if you've got linux running below windows, you can probably make it happen with iptables
16:15<armbruster>straterra: yes! ...really!
16:15<armbruster>straterra: yes.
16:15<straterra>And why is that?
16:15<NetNoob>hmm.. iptables..
16:15<armbruster>it's poorly based, insecure, slow, horrible, limited.
16:15<armbruster>haha, the ease to get a virus?
16:15<straterra>also..notice all of those words are opinion words..relative words
16:15<thelongmile>ok hold on
16:15<HoopyCat>NetNoob: NAT's the quick and easy way to do it if "able to reach the internet" is the goal
16:15<armbruster>the fact it's slow.
16:15<thelongmile>im microsoft certified
16:16<armbruster>the ONLY good thing window's is good for is for games.
16:16<armbruster>i'll admit that.
16:16<thelongmile>might be able to help
16:16<straterra>armbruster: really? My Windows machine's are extremely fast
16:16<thelongmile>whats you need
16:16<straterra>Faster than Linux on a couple of the machines
16:16<HoopyCat>for the love of god, guys, it's thursday afternoon, do we need a linux/windows holy war?
16:16<silverblade>How the heck do you get Windows on a Linode
16:16<straterra>Also, I'd say the state of ipv6 on Windows currently is better than Linux
16:16<armbruster>your mom.
16:17<rainman`>straterra, wtf?
16:17<NetNoob>Hoopy: Actually. i can reach the net.. the problem is that i have to go thru a proxy. Don't ask me why. Stupid corporate policy
16:17<straterra>rainman`: ?
16:17<rainman`>straterra, how is v6 on windows better?
16:17<armbruster>it's not.
16:17<armbruster>he's making himself feel special by saying that.
16:17<armbruster>go hug mr. gates.
16:17<straterra>Well..for one its teredo client seems to work better than Linux's
16:17<straterra>Same with dhcpv6 client support
16:17<aaronpk>NetNoob: are you running Windows in vmware or something?
16:17<rainman`>we shouldn't go teredo, but native
16:18<NetNoob>aaronpk Yes
16:18<aaronpk>are you very familiar with linux networking?
16:18<rainman`>and once router advertisements can add DNS info, dhcpv6 is unneeded in 99% of the setups
16:18<armbruster>that's horrible, why go through all that trouble to use windows?
16:18<straterra>rainman`: Also, I've found some...interesting issues with ipv6 on linux when you have multiple interfaces and such
16:18<NetNoob>aaron: not too much, but i am somewhat familiar
16:18<straterra>rainman`: RDNS doesn't work with RA's, though
16:19<HoopyCat>NetNoob: if your corporate network people have a VPN option, that would be the easiest way to go. the most efficient way to get things from the windows instance to your corporate proxy depends a lot on how the corporate network stuff is set up
16:19<straterra>reverse dns
16:19<rainman`>you mean something different
16:19<rainman`>dynamic DNS updates
16:19<straterra>dynamic reverse dns, yes
16:19<straterra>That's one advantage of using dhcp
16:19<NetNoob>Hoopy: is there a way to do it w/proxies instead of vpn?
16:19<aaronpk>i agree with HoopyCat, a VPN would be the easiest way. however if vmware is configured to NAT the connection to windows, you can probably set up some tricky iptables routing rules to route the traffic wherever you want
16:19<rainman`>straterra, i / my employer runs hundreds of v6-enabled linux and freebsd boxes, and hasn't had issues for a long time now
16:20<straterra>rainman`: I've had issues that have only very very recently been fixed..
16:20<hojuruku>openvpn is the best choice right?
16:20<straterra>Not all of my machines can take extremely new kernels though :/
16:20<rainman`>interesting - most of our pains were actually with juniper routers and firewalls fucking up v6
16:20<rainman`>but that's all been fixed
16:20<HoopyCat>NetNoob: maybe. from THAT end, doing it within windows itself would probably be the best way to go (it's already homogenized packet goop by the time linux gets it), and that's more of a windows networking question
16:21<straterra>rainman`: and while not Windows related at all..quagga + ospfv3 on Linux is..extremely lacking
16:21<rainman`>straterra, quagga has gone into active maintenance recently though
16:21<thelongmile>question regarding email
16:21<rainman`>so things should be getting better
16:21<straterra>Maybe they'll fix the issues then
16:21<straterra>I hope so
16:21<HoopyCat>rainman`: radvd can announce resolver addresses too, which solves the "bootstrap the DNS" end of it
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16:22<rainman`>HoopyCat, still, there is a point with dynamic dns for reverses
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16:22<NetNoob>Anyone know a good windows networking IRC chat room?
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16:22<rainman`>ofcourse, you could do like kyhwana and just not bother to have a reverse :>
16:22<straterra>NetNoob: ##windows or ##windows-server on freenode
16:22<HoopyCat>rainman`: i've had thoughts to make a custom DNS server to handle that
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16:22<thelongmile>I've just set up google apps for my domain, now, the server has never had an email server, wordpress has a few components that emails people, so is the server going to be able to send the outgoing email from the server to google mail
16:22<rainman`>HoopyCat, how do you know there's a new client?
16:23<straterra>thelongmile: heh..good luck with that. Google apps doesn't like automated-looking emails being sent out through them
16:23<rainman`>you can just install something locally
16:23<straterra>Both wordpress and nagios emails were regularly blocked when I was on google apps -_-
16:23<rainman`>simple postfix install
16:23<HoopyCat>rainman`: it would return a generic PTR unless it has reason to do otherwise
16:23<rainman`>HoopyCat, ah, that can be done indeed
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16:23<thelongmile>straterra: even so, do i actually need to do anything
16:23<aaronpk>yea, i haven't had much luck getting my server to send things through google mail. seems to be spotty at best
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16:24<thelongmile>damnit, i've got a contact form
16:24<HoopyCat>rainman`: nod... however, i go with the default mac-based ipv6 scheme at home, so it turns out i have no reason to do so as yet
16:25<thelongmile>its suppost to email contact from the site to
16:25<aaronpk>you can still send mail from your server tho
16:25<NetNoob>Thanks everyone
16:25<NetNoob>you guys are the best
16:25<NetNoob>linode rocks
16:25<thelongmile>i didnt install anything to do with mail, so, any idea how i make sure i get these contact forms
16:28<linbot>New news from forums: When will Linode move to SSD? in General Discussion <>
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16:35<thelongmile>so yes, anyway, is there any way to get my wordpress to email out, and if so how
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16:36<silverblade>make constipated noises and push hard
16:36<Karrde>put your nose to the ground and spin like a top
16:37<thelongmile>seriously now
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16:39<Karrde>thelongmile: all Linuxes come with the ability to send mail
16:39<Karrde>have you tried it?
16:40<thelongmile>have i attempted to get it to send mail, yes, it fails
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16:40<Karrde>what's the error?
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16:40<thelongmile>thats the thing
16:40<thelongmile>I have not instaleld any
16:40<thelongmile>sorry lemme type again
16:41<thelongmile>ive not installed any mail servers or anything like that
16:41<Karrde>you don't need an SMTPd to *send* mail
16:41<Karrde>what error messages are you getting?
16:41<thelongmile>ive installed apache2, php5., mysql and phpmyadmin
16:41<thelongmile>i dont
16:41<thelongmile>on my website i have a contact form
16:41<Karrde>sure you do
16:41<thelongmile>you click send and it hangs on there
16:41<Karrde>/var/log/mail*log ? /var/log/messages ? /var/log/syslog ? wherever apache2's error log is?
16:42<Karrde>did you mention what distribution you are running?
16:42<Karrde>you describe symptoms but nothing useful for solving the problem, I'm trying to lead you to getting enough info to do so
16:43*stan_theman is afraid of recieving help from Karrde
16:43<thelongmile>ok thanks
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16:43<thelongmile>heres the error log from the domain itself
16:43<thelongmile>[Thu Aug 27 21:39:09 2009] [error] [client] File does not exist: /srv/www/$
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16:43<Karrde>sounds like you need to get that file first
16:43*Karrde "helps" stan_theman with a "pole"
16:43<lfelipe>hey, can anyone help out? I'm having problems accessing my lindoe server, and the lish console says that someone else is using it (but in theory no one else is using it)
16:44*stan_theman hides
16:44<thelongmile>also mail.log empty
16:44<lfelipe>network, cpu and disk i/o spiked, and I lost direct ssh access to it
16:44<rhoduri>I apologize if out of order (never used IRC before), but I am trying to diagnose why my Linode can't proceed with Drupal installation, and I thought it best to seek help here before filing a ticket.
16:44<Karrde>thelongmile: sounds like you're not even getting to try to send mail yet
16:45<Karrde>rhoduri: what's the error message? what distro are you using? if the conversation is unclear or fast, address people by name
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16:46<rhoduri>Karrde, I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, followed all the instructions from Linode Library LAMP Guide (and other articles), and a sprinkling of wisdom from various blogs
16:46<HoopyCat>lfelipe: the spiking and death are usually a sign that something's gone crazy and eaten all of the memory
16:46<stan_theman>nom nom nom
16:46<rhoduri>My DNS is setup, when I point my browser to the website, the directory is empty
16:47<Karrde>rhoduri: what is the address?
16:47<Karrde>your DocumentRoot is empty
16:47<Karrde>change the documentroot or move the files into it
16:48<HoopyCat>lfelipe: the "logview" command at the lish prompt will show you what's been seen on the console; might help you figure out what state it's in. (you're probably going to be heading down the reboot path, tho)
16:48<thelongmile>ive just realised something
16:48<lfelipe>HoopyCat: problem is I can't access the lish account
16:48<rhoduri>I unzipped the drupal files into /srv/www/
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16:48<HoopyCat>lfelipe: you can also do "kill", which will kill anything else that might be on the console
16:48<thelongmile>right Karrde that .js was from somewhing else
16:48<lfelipe>can any admin from linode reset the lish console or something like that so I can actually connect to it?
16:48<thelongmile>i click send on the contact form and it just does nothing, it locks
16:49<Karrde>rhoduri: and what is your DocumentRoot set to?
16:49<thelongmile>there is no ....... information at all
16:49<thelongmile>it's like sendmail hasn't even been.... invoked
16:49<thelongmile>wait, do i have to install send mail
16:49<Karrde>thelongmile: without more information we can't solve this
16:49<rhoduri>I'm not sure, is there command for me to figure that out
16:49<HoopyCat>lfelipe: is it the console that you can't get at? e.g. can you get to the [linodexxxxx@hostyyy lish]# prompt via ssh, or not even that far?
16:49<Karrde>thelongmile: as I said earlier all* Linuxes come with a mail sending program
16:49<Karrde>you don't even know what the problem is yet, don't jump to "must install sendmail"
16:49<lfelipe>HoopyCat: not even that far, it claims someone else is using the lish console
16:50<lfelipe>HoopyCat: one admin at freenode is going to help me out I think
16:50<Karrde>rhoduri: open up your Apache config file and searchf or it
16:50<HoopyCat>lfelipe: hmmm... "ssh kill" might be able to unstick it, but barring that, probably ticket/divine intervention time
16:51<Karrde>s/f o/ fo/
16:51<thelongmile>ah fek
16:53<thelongmile>argh i cant even put a comment into the system, i twont even email from wordpress
16:55<Karrde>!google how to ask smart questions
16:55<linbot>Karrde: Search took 0.25 seconds: How To Ask Questions The Smart Way: <>; Eric Raymond's FAQ collection: <>; Smart Questions That Will Super Charge Your Life - Stepcase Lifehack: <>; How To Ask Questions the Smart Way: (2 more messages)
16:55<thelongmile>whereelse would the mail logs be
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16:58<Karrde>did you mention what distribution you are running?
16:58<thelongmile>apache2 debian 5.0
16:59<Karrde>/var/log/mail.log ? /var/log/syslog ? wherever apache2's error log is?
16:59<rhoduri>Karrde: I see the ServerRoot mentioned, but I've had no luck grepping for and visually spotting "DocumentRoot"
17:00<Karrde>rhoduri: you'll have to find out where it is defined
17:00<thelongmile>ive looked in both the places, and cant find anything that relates to mail
17:01<Karrde>and it's quitting time for me. afk.
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17:01<thelongmile>ok thanks for yout help
17:01<thelongmile>wordpress uses phpmail
17:01<thelongmile>now that we know that where would i find the info for that
17:03<thelongmile>maybe i need to email the mail function in php
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17:10<thelongmile>if i add a double entry in hosts for and immidiatley below it will that conflict or work
17:10<rhoduri>Yay! Looking back to what I did last night, per the Linode Library, I had defined it in /etc/apache2/sites-available/, and it the DocumentRoot was pointed towards /public-html. Changing that to the drupal subdirectory provided the installation page. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Is there some best practice on where I should place a CMS like Drupal?
17:11<rhoduri>Right now its just in /web
17:12<Pryon>I'd say just put it wherever the package manager wants it
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17:13<rhoduri>Hmm, I used wget to download it in my current location, so a package manager didn't get a chance to set me straight. Atleast its working...
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17:17<thelongmile>i think ive found the answer to my mail problems but could use some help
17:17<thelongmile> heres the threawd
17:18<thelongmile>however my hosts file
17:18<thelongmile>im a bit confused
17:18<rhoduri>Karrde or whomever: I'm migrating from WebFaction, and I have two MySQL databases I'm looking to use with my Drupal / CiviCRM setup; rhoduri_drupal and rhoduri_civicrm, respectively. I downloaded a backup through Drupal's backup_and_migrate module (although I don't know what it backed up since I spat out a single file), and I know backups can somehow be created from the phpmyadmin interface, but how do I got about uploading them?
17:19<thelongmile>here help plz
17:19<rhoduri>I know from past experience I can upload a database during the drupal installation, but its not clear from that how I get the civicrm database in its proper place
17:20<rhoduri>that is, seemingly only one mysql can be moved
17:21<thelongmile>any ideas?
17:23<thelongmile>ah ha
17:23<thelongmile>the error is about the hostname
17:23<thelongmile>but im in need of help on that hosts file
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17:25<thelongmile>anyone here?
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17:27<thelongmile>can i give you link to ask what is a very stupid question
17:28<thelongmile>whole question is in that pastebin
17:29<thelongmile>straterra: any ideas?
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17:31<rhoduri>Strattera: When you have a moment, I'm seeking assistance with a database migration, its mentioned about 15 comments previous
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17:32<thelongmile>HoopyCat: wb
17:34<thelongmile>i think everyones died here tonight
17:35<HoopyCat>yeah, sorry, stopped peeing V6 there for a moment
17:35<thelongmile>this is probably a very stupid question, and the whole question is in here really simple for someone like you
17:40<thelongmile>indeed, i think HoopyCat died
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17:40<rhoduri>must of been his ninth life
17:41<rhoduri>i hope there are some linodes up in heaven
17:41<thelongmile>rhoduri: i am honestly not sure about your issue btw, i did look
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17:43<rhoduri>thank you, i'm pre- anything important, so its all a slow-paced learning experience I can appreciate
17:43<thelongmile>same here, i've learnt alot but right now, not certain if im doing anything right lol
17:44<Pryon>thelongmile: when in doubt, try it and see
17:44<rhoduri>a bunch of one-legged men, walking the long mile
17:44<rhoduri>yeah that's how I'm treating this
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17:46<rhoduri>by the time I get through these mini errors someone will probably roll in
17:46<thelongmile>nope that didnt work
17:46<thelongmile>it's just formatting an fqdn
17:46<Pryon>'flare' probably does not count as a FQDN
17:46<thelongmile>what would
17:46<Pryon>have you tried
17:47<Pryon>yours is fine too
17:47<thelongmile>ah but my server is running two domains
17:47<thelongmile> and
17:47<Pryon>whenyou say "running two domains" what do you mean, exactly
17:48<thelongmile>my hosts looks like this
17:48<thelongmile> localhost
17:49<Pryon>consider adding ' flare' to the end of the 2nd line
17:49<Pryon>as in " flare"
17:50<thelongmile>ok restarted apache but have strange error now
17:50<thelongmile>ill pb iot
17:50<thelongmile>sorry dog licking my hands as i ype
17:50<rhoduri>what kind
17:52<thelongmile>and here is what the entire of my hosts file looks like
17:52<thelongmile>hostname of the linode is flare
17:52<Pryon>what do you have SeverName set to in your virtual host configuration?
17:52<Pryon>ServerName, that is
17:52<thelongmile>good question
17:53<thelongmile>it's set to the domain names
17:53<thelongmile>i assume it should say flare for both
17:53<Pryon>it should be a FQDN
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17:54<Pryon>Syntax:ServerName [scheme://]fully-qualified-domain-name[:port]
17:55<Pryon>(from the apache docs)
17:55<thelongmile>so servername should be, for config and for the other one
17:55<thelongmile>ok well it's sending the emails now at least
17:55<Pryon>yes, since people accessing the virtual hosts will be using those names
17:56<bob2>it should be set to for
17:56<thelongmile>so in this case
17:56<thelongmile> ServerAdmin
17:56<thelongmile> ServerName
17:56<thelongmile> ServerAlias
17:56<bob2>ServerName in a vhost block is for the virtualhostname
17:56<bob2>thelongmile: do you want people to access that site as a flare.blah?
17:57<thelongmile>how do you mean
17:57<Pryon>what URL do you want people to use to get to your site?
17:57<thelongmile>i want people to access the website via
17:57<Pryon>that's what ServerName should be then
17:57<thelongmile>including http://
17:58<thelongmile>is that not under server alias?
17:58<Pryon>Well, according to the syntax in the documentation for apache, you can [optionally] include that
17:58<thelongmile>ok, well thats how it was setup originally
17:58<thelongmile>but at least i'm getting email now
17:59<bob2>I think you'd want www.blah in ServerAlias
17:59<bob2>you don't want flare.blah anywhere, most likely
18:00<thelongmile>i have flare
18:00<thelongmile> in my hosts right now
18:00<thelongmile>should i ALSO
18:00<Pryon>you should be using DNS
18:00<thelongmile>add flare
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18:01<bob2>don't mess up your hostname
18:02<bob2>the LOCAL hostname is irelevant to other people
18:02<thelongmile>but it's running two websites on virtualhosts
18:02<thelongmile>so just leave it as flare or change it?
18:02<bob2>you can add as many vhosts as you like, and you never have to fiddle the localhostname
18:03<thelongmile>this is in /etc/hosts
18:03<bob2>all apache needs is a 'ServerName blah' in a vhost block, and for 'blah' to resolve to your hsot in the DNS
18:03<bob2>08:01:44 < bob2> don't mess up your hostname
18:03<bob2>leave it alone]
18:03<thelongmile>so change it back to localhost flare
18:03<bob2>just leave it alone
18:03<bob2>as it is
18:03<bob2>don't touch it
18:04<thelongmile>cause it has the flare.cardifftweetups list in it
18:04<bob2>anyway, it has nothing to do with anything to do with apache
18:04<bob2>(aside from apache whinging about not being able to find the local hostname)
18:05<thelongmile>it does seem to be freezing my contact form page, it just sticks on something, BUT looking at the sendmail log it seems to be doing a hell of alot
18:06<thelongmile>lemme pm it
18:06<thelongmile>pb i mean
18:06<thelongmile>hmm, is there a scp client for mac
18:06<bob2>called 'scp' :)
18:07<thelongmile>ah screw it ill boot my windows image
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18:07<thelongmile>Aug 27 23:02:51 flare sendmail[6234]: n7RM2poq006234: from=www-data, size=662, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<>, relay=www-data@localhost
18:07<thelongmile>Aug 27 23:02:51 flare sm-mta[6236]: n7RM2pGJ006236: from=<>, size=774, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<>, proto=ESMTP$
18:07<thelongmile>Aug 27 23:02:51 flare sendmail[6234]: n7RM2poq006234:, ctladdr=www-data (33/33), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30662, relay=[] [], dsn=2.$
18:07<thelongmile>Aug 27 23:02:51 flare sm-mta[6238]: STARTTLS=client,, version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, cipher=AES256-SHA, bits=256/256
18:07<thelongmile>Aug 27 23:02:51 flare sm-mta[6238]: n7RM2pGJ006236: to=<>, ctladdr=<> (33/33), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=120774, relay=$
18:07<thelongmile>:O OMG SORRY!
18:08<thelongmile>i think it's just the contact form
18:08<bob2>php sending mail will block the page for a little while
18:08<bob2>if it is all set up c orrectly
18:08<bob2>if it isn't, it might block for a long while :)
18:10<thelongmile>nah it's sending just find, i think it's the captcha thing on the contact form thats broken
18:10<thelongmile>just seems to freeze on the captcha send in stead of producing ajax results lol
18:12<thelongmile>i assume i have to install ajax support
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18:14<bob2>dunno what that means
18:15<thelongmile>theres a button on my site thats part of a contact form, apparently its ajax
18:16<rhoduri>is there some flag needed to chmod a folder
18:17<thelongmile>i think you gotta sudo it but otherwise no
18:17<bob2>you can chmod your own things without sudo
18:18<bob2>rhoduri: no, but without -R it won't affect the things within it
18:18<rhoduri>that was the missing ingredient, thanks
18:18<rhoduri>ohh good to know too
18:19<rhoduri>Bob: This was posted a good ways up: I'm migrating from WebFaction, and I have two MySQL databases I'm looking to use with my Drupal / CiviCRM setup; rhoduri_drupal and rhoduri_civicrm, respectively. I downloaded a backup through Drupal's backup_and_migrate module (although I don't know what it backed up since I spat out a single file), and I know backups can somehow be created from the phpmyadmin interface, but how do I got about uploading the
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18:20<Pryon>512 bytes. It's not just a good idea, it's the law.
18:20<bob2>you got cut off at "uploadnig the"
18:20<bob2>and no idea what drupal is backing up, sorry
18:21<bob2>if it is just an sql dump (likely), just copy the file to your linode and load it with the 'mysql' command
18:21<bob2>no need to chmod or chown or sudo anything
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18:23<rhoduri>did my message cut off the mention I have two databases, one for drupal and one for civicrm?
18:23<bob2>08:20:50 < bob2> you got cut off at "uploadnig the"
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18:24<rhoduri>ohh, ok, that was the end. I know how to point drupal in the right direction during the drupal installation, but is there an obvious solution to when civicrm comes calling
18:25<randallman>CREATE FUNCTION get_hosting_type(p_zone_spool_id integer) RETURNS integer
18:25<rhoduri>i will go read up on the mysql command before wasting any more time
18:25<rhoduri>of yours
18:25<randallman>damned plpgsql :)
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18:26<Smark>just to confirm that WinSCP does _NOT_ trigger .bashrc right?
18:26<randallman>afaik, no?
18:26<@jed>WinSCP is not involved in that decision
18:27<@jed>.bashrc is only triggered by bash
18:27<@jed>when you use scp, bash is not started
18:27*randallman types yum update
18:27<randallman>It's super awesome havign a RHEL Satellite server in house :)
18:27<silverblade>yummy flavoured update
18:28<randallman>It has a nice XML-RPC gateway too
18:28<randallman>for doing 'stuff' ;p
18:28<randallman>fer doin stuff n stuffz
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18:29<thelongmile>hmm interesting
18:29<thelongmile>Errors in generating
18:29<thelongmile>*** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER()
18:29<thelongmile>*** MAILER(`local') must appear after FEATURE(`always_add_domain')*** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER()
18:29<thelongmile>*** MAILER(`local') must appear after FEATURE(`allmasquerade')*** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER()
18:29<randallman>oh no
18:29<randallman>why are you using sendmail?
18:30<randallman>postfix is far simpler than sendmail if you do not have whacky requirements
18:30<thelongmile>its just for wordpress because it uses phpmail
18:30<randallman>Try postfix
18:30<randallman>It's what all the cool kids use
18:30<thelongmile>any suggestion on how to reconfigure
18:31<Smark>well, but if my user's default shell is bash, will WinSCP over ride that and load its own shell or will it just enter bash, change its shell, and continue?
18:31<@jed>winscp does not spawn a shell
18:31<randallman>do what it says, put the FEATURES's in the right order.
18:31<@jed>scp does not spawn a shell at all...
18:31<thelongmile>randallman: i dont actually know how
18:31<thelongmile>all i did was run sendmail config
18:31<randallman>are you building your own m4 config?
18:31<@jed>oh hell, winscp uses a shell?
18:31<Smark>well, i have a scp shell in my shells folder
18:31<randallman>Yes, jed
18:32<thelongmile>no, just typed sendmailconfig
18:32<@jed>Smark: then standard rules apply on whether .bashrc will be fired
18:32<randallman>I use 'scponlyc' for a chrooted shell for scp
18:32<randallman>scp/sftp only
18:32<Smark>whats the command to view a user's shell?
18:33<@jed>grep username /etc/passwd
18:33<aaronpk>there are some `screen` fans in here, right? how do i attach to an existing screen session and pipe its output to a file?
18:33<randallman>9058 open("/home/rshutt/.bashrc", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
18:33<randallman>From a strace of sshd
18:33<randallman>when I used scp
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18:33<randallman>9058 execve("/bin/bash", ["bash", "-c", "scp -t ."], [/* 8 vars */]) = 0
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18:34<randallman>9058 stat64(".ssh/rc", 0xbff531d0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
18:34<Smark>I set that to prevent users whom i want to give sscp access from loging in via SSH
18:34<Smark>though its not terribly hard to circumvent
18:34<randallman>Smark, take a look at scponly
18:34<randallman>it's a replacement shell
18:34<randallman>and also scponlyc which is a chrooted scp/sfp
18:34<randallman>err sftp
18:34<Smark>well i thought sftp-server was a shell also
18:34<Smark>its chrooted?
18:34<randallman>scponlyc is chrooted
18:34<randallman>scponly is not
18:35<Smark>if its chrooted, can I let them go to certain folders outside their home dir?
18:35<Smark>IE if they're home is /home/user, can i let them go to /content/www-users/user
18:35<randallman>you cant.
18:35<randallman>So dont use the chrooted one
18:35<randallman>or setup apache to use mod_homedir :0
18:35<randallman>~user :p
18:36<Smark>whats mod_homedir do?
18:36<randallman>and then do mod_rewrite to rewrite /content/www-users/$1 to ~$1
18:36<@jed>wow, 'yum' has to touch cpuinfo to do 'clean all'?
18:36*jed sighs and rms
18:37<randallman>Sorry, mod_userdir :0
18:37<Smark>well, im setting up users with their own vhosts, and I'd like to let them edit it, but not see others
18:37<randallman>so set the doc root to be in thier homedir
18:37<randallman>and do a chroot
18:38<randallman>DocumentRoot /home/username/html
18:38<randallman>or some such
18:38<Smark>doesnt that mess stuff up if apache needs to write to stuff?
18:38<randallman>You could even set all of the logs to go into /home/username/apachelogs
18:38<randallman>or some such
18:38<Smark>I think I'll play around with doing that.
18:38<randallman>and then use scponlyc to setup the chroot jailo
18:39<Smark>Anyway, class is over I'll be back home in 10-15.
18:39<Smark>Aye. Thanks Randal
18:39<Smark>hmm VNC cant tab
18:39<Smark>oh well
18:39<Smark>be back later
18:39<randallman>Im not a nick color completion nazi :)
18:43<thelongmile>wats the apt-get cleanup command
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18:47<thelongmile>nm it was apt-get autoremove
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18:49<thelongmile>think ill address the ajaz issue tomorrow
18:49<thelongmile>thanks for your help all
18:49<silverblade>ajaz. asynchronous jazz
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19:12<Pryon>If Tom Bombadil was a sysadmin he'd say chroot jailo
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19:13<randallman>Ok im frakkin done
19:13<randallman>marathon project work due tommorow :)
19:13<Smark>and I'm back home
19:13<randallman>Peace out
19:13<randallman>seizure tmrw
19:16<Smark>I guess I'll redevelop my user system when I get my second linode.
19:17<Smark>otherwise I need to shutdown and take the server offline for atleast a few hours
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19:54<HoopyCat>In Phoenix, fire damage that occurs in the summer should NOT be covered because heat is a preexisting condition.
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20:25<linbot>New news from forums: What order should I do things in? in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
20:25<armbruster>the conversation's popping in this channel.
20:25<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so dumb, shampoo instructions put her in an infinite loop! (806:0/3) [mmuro]
20:25<SelfishMan>!urmom vote down 806
20:25<linbot>SelfishMan: Voted 806 down [muomr]
20:26<SelfishMan>hack joke
20:26<straterra>SelfishMan: make USB faster :/
20:26<SelfishMan>USB 2.0 isn't fast enough?
20:26<straterra>Not by far
20:27<SelfishMan>USB 3 is many gigabit
20:27<straterra>rsyncing from old drive -> new drive, where old drive is in a usb enclosure
20:27<straterra>it's only going at 25 megabytes a second
20:28<SelfishMan>oh, that isn't the fault of USB, it's the interface in the enclosure
20:28<straterra>It's a pretty nice enclosure :/
20:28<straterra>I pretty regularly see 25-30 megs a second over usb
20:28<straterra>with other enclosures, i mean
20:28<SelfishMan>really? sad.
20:28<SelfishMan>I typically see ~40-45
20:29<straterra>I see that + with esata
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20:31<straterra>If I would have brought home an esata cable..i would have used that :/
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20:31<SelfishMan>I bet it's a controller issue then if you are seeing that with all enclosures
20:33<straterra>I just like to go fast
20:33<straterra>USB no go fast for me
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20:49<linbot>New news from forums: Why is setting up a subdomain for lighttpd so confusing... in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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20:50<amitz>straterra: and here I thought I'd never need more than USB 1.0 speed. I regret it now.
20:50<straterra>12 megabits! WEEE
20:53<HoopyCat>we don't have to take our clothes off
20:53<HoopyCat>to have a good time, oh no
20:56<Smark>can you even watch HD video streaming through a USB 1.0 port?
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21:06<amitz>Smark: I never thought there will be higher resolution than DVD, ever.
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21:15<straterra>oh jesus
21:15<straterra>the nerd on 24 named her kid Prescott
21:15<straterra>I bet it was after the P4
21:15<aaronpk>spoilers! :P
21:16<straterra>The season has been over for a while o.O
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21:16<chesty>mulder dies
21:16<straterra>wrong show
21:17<HoopyCat>JR gets shot
21:17<aaronpk>snape kills dumbledore
21:17<bd_>Soylent green is people.
21:18<SelfishMan>urmom has her mouth full
21:18<jtsage>bd - damn you. why you have to ruin it for me?
21:18<chesty>SelfishMan: with a toothpick
21:19<HoopyCat>appeasement won't work with hitler
21:19<bd_>jtsage: It had to be said.
21:20<straterra>toten sie hunde!
21:21<atourino>It's a trap!
21:21<Nivex>Dein mutter schmekt tot!
21:21<chesty>niche bin die
21:22<straterra>nein sie stockenblochen ja?
21:22<jtsage>klatu verata ni*grumblegrumbl*
21:22<straterra>bitte meine schlogen kuden
21:24<straterra>sounds like me in freshman german
21:24*atourino is in ur diczunaries muddlin ur germanz
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21:25<HoopyCat>ding, dong, ding. ding, dong, ding.
21:25<straterra>Ah! Chinese!
21:27<Nivex>HoopyCat: you ding-a-ling
21:28<straterra>I need to learn some chinese for when I go
21:31<atourino>so you'd like to speak chinese when you pee? wierd
21:31<HoopyCat>say lettuce and spell cup
21:32<straterra>No..when I go to china
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21:33*atourino polishes his nerd badge
21:34<atourino>who's my baby? oh yes you are... yes you are!
21:34*HoopyCat polishes urmom's badge
21:35<atourino>don't tase me bro!
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21:46<atourino>Hey... im developing a site similar to hot or not... I was thinking about using Rackspace's Cloud Files to store the images but then I thought I could use one of those image hosts like
21:47<atourino>the thing is... those sites normally puts the hosted image in an album
21:47<atourino>Im not sure if they are allowed to be used in my own site
21:47<atourino>anyone have any experience with those sites?
21:48<amitz>yesterday and today are very bad days for me...
21:49<mwalling>atourino: i'd push to cloudfiles or s3 or something like that
21:49<atourino>thats the original plan... but I was trying to be a cheap bastard
21:49<HoopyCat>atourino: usually, image hosts like that frown upon such things and will eventually womp you
21:50<HoopyCat>atourino: if you're cheap and starting small, just stick 'em on your linode until you need to move out :-)
21:50<atourino>HoopyCat: Where's the fun in that? :D
21:51<atourino>HoopyCat: but yeah... you're right
21:51<atourino>caker will eventually womp me as well
21:52<atourino>bring it caker boy!
21:52<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:52<mwalling>if by womp, you mean bill... :)
21:53<atourino>mwalling: aye! :S
21:54<path> [Lag: 1.08]
21:54<path>weird.. is this efnet?
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22:03<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 33% full. Last emptied Thursday at 07:30 EDT, last full on Thursday at 04:30 EDT after running for 35.0 hours.
22:03<HoopyCat>it is now safe to turn off the hoopycat. g'nite
22:11<checkers>mwalling: you links that a few days ago
22:11<checkers>is it your friend or something
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22:19<mwalling>checkers / atourino: hes my coworker
22:19<mwalling>he wants more data points
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22:22<checkers>I'll LOL if you say this is real research
22:22<mwalling>whats real?
22:23<mwalling>if its for his day job? no. if its for his own personal cureosity, it is
22:24<@jed>i'm getting lag too
22:25<mwalling>jed: i want a pizza
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22:25<mwalling>jed: if i picket infront of linode, will you get me a pizza?
22:25<Drijen_>mwalling, good evening sir
22:25<mwalling>HOLY FUCKING SHIT ITS Drijen_
22:25<Drijen_>i come bearing wrath of angry users!
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22:26<mwalling>Drijen_: i'm not coming to dallas next week
22:26*Drijen_ mobs mwalling with cheap hookers and beer
22:26*Drijen_ demands answers
22:26<Dominian>anything going on in the Dallas datacenter by chance?
22:26<linbot>mwalling: [mtr] 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 40.0ms
22:26<Dominian>Yeah, that's truly deterministic isn't it?
22:26<Drijen_>linbot lies
22:27<straterra>mwalling: where do you live?
22:27-!-|Kyhwana| [kvirc@2001:4428:20d::4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:27<mwalling>straterra: you know that
22:27<linbot>mwalling: [mtr] 11 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 40.1ms
22:27<mwalling>straterra: if you dont, you know how to look it up
22:27*Drijen_ stabs linbot in the face don't message me!
22:27<straterra>I do?
22:27<mwalling>straterra: you do
22:27*straterra blinks
22:27<Drijen_>mwalling, i have not been able to load up a webpage from dallas center in over an hour
22:27<straterra>I'd do with a hint :P
22:28<mwalling>straterra: whois(1)
22:28<Drijen_>mwalling, Dominian tells me the I/O is super high
22:28<Dominian>the I/O on my linode is actually super LOW
22:28<Drijen_>oh right
22:28*Drijen_ shushes up
22:28<Drijen_>anyway, problem exists
22:28<Drijen_>sorry, i didn't read that part
22:28<Drijen_>i can ping it great, tracert runs fine
22:28<Drijen_>just can't load https for crap
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22:29<Dominian>Drijen_: I'm guessing an upstream carrier issue.. since you can see it.. and I can't
22:29<Dominian>Yep.. upstream
22:29<Dominian>I can see it from home
22:30<straterra>mwalling: affirmative
22:30<straterra>I thought it was there
22:30*jed orders mwalling a pizza
22:30<mwalling>jed: <3
22:30<mwalling> <- insane.
22:30<atourino>mmmm pizza
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22:31<@jed>GIMME DATA!
22:31<@jed>what's going on?
22:31<@jed>Drijen_: data please
22:32<Drijen_>what would you like to know
22:32<@jed>what's wrong?
22:32<Drijen_>webpage slow.
22:32<Drijen_>agonizingly so.
22:32<Drijen_>icmp is fine.
22:32<atourino>Linode atez his webpage
22:32<Drijen_>just http.
22:33<@jed>Internet Protocol Address Por Favor
22:33<Drijen_>pardon me, working out a possible issue elsewhere
22:33<atourino>I meant mwalling's cat
22:34<mwalling>atourino: linode doesnt like bitz
22:34<linbot>jed: [mtr] 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 33.6ms
22:35<linbot>jed: [mtr] 8 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 44.2ms (These results brought to you by urmom and the number 42)
22:35*Drijen_ goes for a smoke instead.
22:35<Drijen_>nice to see ya mwalling
22:35<linbot>jed: [mtr] 11 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 40.1ms
22:35<mwalling>Drijen_: maybe i'll get the utility to host in dallas again next year
22:36<@jed>Drijen_: SSL works fine for me?
22:36<mwalling>Drijen_: i cant make a business need to go down there
22:36<mwalling>(this year)
22:36<@jed>Mail admins login here to administer your domain.
22:37<Drijen_>mwalling, well whenever
22:37<Drijen_>take care
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22:37<@jed>...sorry for trying to help?
22:37<mwalling>jed: scroll up a bit
22:37<mwalling>dom told him it was upstream
22:38<mwalling>jed: and he said "well wh*en*ever" not "well wh*at*ever"
22:40<amitz>I think call center should employ psychologist. Both for manning the phone and to counsel the people manning th ephone.
22:41<Smark>I have filled the 1TB drive up with 37 25GB files of random characters.
22:41<amitz>Psychologist is trained to "detached" themselves from counselee turmoil if necessary. Just a thought.
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22:42<amitz>btw, I'm not implying anything, don't misunderstand :-)
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22:47<amitz>Smark: you know, the more you test the drive, the more you consume it's age :-p
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22:48<Smark>This one has a five year warantee. If I get 5 years out of it I'll be happy.
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22:50<amitz>Recent drive is quite robust IMO. I believe because I haven't wait long enough, by definition :-)
22:51<atourino>me is out
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22:51<MJCS>i am a dumb shit
22:52<Smark>They don't?
22:53<Smark>So, if I want to use all the CPU I can (and am legitimatly using) thats totally OK even if its 300%?
22:54<@jed>you expect me to say yes to that?
22:54<Smark>not at all, but its what i'm hearing on that forum
22:55<Smark>"I'm not sure there's any reason to avoid using the CPU if you can get it. It's shared equally among all the nodes on the host if there is contention, so if you can get 400%, nobody else wants it."
22:55<@jed>CPU is quite fairly scheduled under Xen
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22:56<@jed>if you peg 400%, you will not affect other customers right away
22:56<Smark>I guess I'm somewhat confused about CPU scheduling under Xen. If all the 360s on the machine want X amount of CPU time, how is it decided who gets it?
22:56<@jed>if you continue to peg 400% and begin causing issues for other customers (which has never happened), we'll make adjustments
22:56<amitz>Smark: It's like the "no question asked return policy". We'll grant all of you that right until the right is abused such that we suffer too much.
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22:57<Smark>I mean I can't think of a situation when anyone would be using that much CPU for an extended period (besides something like Folding@Home which is not allowed)
22:57<amitz>s/we suffer too much/everybody must receive the bad consequences/
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22:58<amitz>Smark: I can think of one. Running an optimization program.
22:58<Smark>I mean, if two people on the machine are doing a bunch of heavy calculations and everyone else is idle will they both get !200%?
22:58<Smark>amitz, but would that run for an extended period?
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22:59<@jed>there are factors at play on the host that you don't know about
22:59<amitz>I run such program last month for almost one full week. Not in linode of course :-p
22:59<Smark>amitz, what was it optimizing
23:00<Smark>jed, ones I'm not allowed to know about?
23:00<amitz>Smark: let me pull the link.
23:00<@jed>just trust me that it's not going to happen
23:00<Smark>internal workings of linode and such. Gotcha
23:00<@jed>CPU is something we've thought of and accounted for
23:00<@jed>400% doesn't really mean anything :)
23:00<@jed>that's all I can say
23:00<Smark>lol, ok
23:01<Smark>how many CPUs per host (if I may ask)? And they're Quad-core right?
23:01<amitz>busy, eternity puzzle, the best result one.
23:01<@jed>that's what you don't know about. :)
23:01<@jed>you can ask, but I can't answer I'm afraid
23:01<Smark>ah ok. Can we know how many 360s per machine?
23:01<@mikegrb>its already answered, dual quads
23:01<checkers>read the faq
23:02<@jed>another question I can't answer (it wouldn't be one answer anyway)
23:02<@jed>mikegrb: is it?
23:02<@jed>oh, if that's out there...
23:02<@jed>Smark: if you peg 400% there's still 4 cores unused.
23:03<@jed>you're only allowed to peg 4.
23:03<Smark>well i already knew that
23:03<@jed>in theory, if two linodes both pegged all 4 there'd be issue, but it's never happened -- and xen is graceful with CPU anyway
23:03<Smark>but is a linode tied to a specific UNIT (not core), or can they move around as needed, but only allowed to use 4 at once
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23:03<@jed>linodes can operate on any core in the machine
23:03<@jed>up to 4
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23:04<MJCS2>So I accidently deleted my OS raid 5's array info off my computer (Don't ask). But I was able to at least find a way to recover it completely. (just cost me $180)
23:04<Smark>gotcha, so that makes sense.
23:04<Smark>lol MJCS2
23:05<Smark>So, you technically can't use all the idle CPU on the machine, only half of it. Which is fine, you shouldnt need nearly that
23:05<checkers> <-- guess newer servers have more linodes on them than the old servers
23:06<Smark>thanks checkers
23:06<@jed>oh, huh, about that
23:06<Smark>40 360s seems like a LOT, but then again Dual Quad-Cores is a lot of computing power
23:06<@jed>I responded to the thread that the dual quads was talked about in
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23:06<@jed>Smark: you'd be surprised how many hosts are idle most of the time
23:07<checkers>yeah, I doubt CPU will ever be the bottleneck
23:07<Dominian>How fast is the turnaround on a datacenter move request?
23:07<@jed>Dominian: depends, why?
23:07<Smark>jed, i doubt I would be. most people don't use a fraction of their Linodes computing power (me included)
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23:08<Dominian>jed: preparing
23:08<Smark>I don't think I've ever seen "Host Load" above idle.
23:08<Smark>Your Linode has averaged 1% of one Host CPU for this month"
23:08<@jed>Dominian: we flip the switch, you push the button, bits travel over the internet
23:08<@jed>over the internet, about 5 to 10 minutes per GB
23:09<Dominian>Then I guess im ready when you guys are
23:10<Smark>Also, lets say I'm using 20% CPU usage. Is that 20% of one core or can it it be 2.5% over all 4? (is it decided by Xen or my OS?)
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23:11<Dominian>that's one core iirc
23:11<Dominian>I've nver seen it go beyond one core myself
23:11<@jed>"25%" on the graph is 25% of one core
23:11<Smark>so if I end up using 105%, 100% is on one core, and 50% on the second?
23:12<@jed>no, because we're talking about a five minute average
23:12<Dominian>If you're using 105% someone's going to want to kill you.
23:12<Smark>jed, I don't understand.
23:12<@jed>the number in the graph is a 5 minute average
23:13<@jed>it could have been 2% on one CPU for x seconds, 4% on another for x seconds, and so in
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23:13<@jed>but after 5 minutes it averages to 150%
23:13<Smark>ah, ok
23:13<@jed>I hate that math and I suck at it
23:13<Smark>amitz, what does it do?
23:14<Smark>I guess the question is, I have the capability to thread my processes if I wanted to, correct? I can choose the cores to use and not Xen doing it for me
23:15<@jed>your domU kernel schedules your processes
23:15<@jed>those processes request CPU time from the dom0
23:15<@jed>the dom0 schedules the physical CPU time amongst the domUs
23:16<Dominian>and thats what makes Xen so loverly
23:16<Smark>and dom0 is run by Xen or the Host right?
23:16<@jed>dom0 is the host kernel, correct
23:16<amitz>Smark: it's a modified form of . Basically uh, wikipedia may explains it better than I can hope to explain myself. :-p
23:16<checkers><@jed> your domU kernel schedules your processes <-- I think Smark will Get It(tm) if you s/processes/threads/ there
23:16<Smark>gotcha. Makes a lot of sense. I'm bored and trying to learn. If you have more important stuff to go, go do it. :)
23:16<@jed>nah, not really
23:17<@jed>it's 11:16 on a thursday
23:17<@jed>and I'm just hacking on some python
23:17<BP{k}>time for beer!
23:17<Smark>well domU would be like a virtual CPU, correct?
23:17<checkers>virtual 'world'
23:17<checkers>can contain multiple vCPUs
23:18<checkers>dom0 is the host kernel/world, domU is a guest kernel/world
23:18<checkers>dom0 runs on physical CPUs, domU runs on virtual CPUs
23:18<checkers>vCPUs run on pCPUs
23:18<checkers>physical CPUs
23:18<checkers>vmware actually released a related white paper recently, let me dig up the link
23:19<checkers>it's not xen, but they aren't so different at the high level
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23:21<MJCS2>yeah it was pretty stupid
23:21<MJCS2>its all good now though
23:21<Smark>MJCS2, i know you said don't ask, but how did you end up wiping your RAID0?
23:21<amitz>Smark: I do run a program to arrange for the best delivery path and load daily. But that doesn't consume more than 1 hours and it's often interrupted due to new update.
23:22<Smark>just looking at it
23:22<Smark>amitz, i would think something like that (Eternity II) would be frowned upon. It looks similar to Folding@Home, though its not the same.
23:25<Smark>checkers, thanks, reading it now
23:25<amitz>Smark: oh, I was not running the program to solve Eternity II. I was finding the best partition length for different board size and color options, to get the highest score in such puzzle in under 20 seconds.
23:25<amitz>best "partition" length in my algorithm.
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23:26<MJCS2>raid 5
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23:28<MJCS2>I swapped my motherboard since it was .5TB raid 5 rebuilt just fine, but my OS drive said error and would rebuild (didnt give me option to) so i deleted it thinking I could just create a new array...low and behold I find out i forgot to connect the power cable to the splitter powering the 2 extra drives
23:30<MJCS2>wow...this cgi irc is lagged like crazy
23:33<MJCS2>shit i have no idea if this is sending a message to the channel
23:34<JoeK>cool story bro
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23:43<Dominian>jed: thanks for the quick setup for the migration.
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23:43<JoeK>linode should go AU
23:43<vineet9>i installed XAMPP and I copied my site to a directory under htdocs...i want my domain to redirect to this folder.... eg... to lampp/htdocs/website Please help
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23:46<@jed>Dominian: you're welcome
23:46<vineet9>i installed XAMPP and I copied my site to a directory under htdocs...i want my domain to redirect to this folder.... eg... to lampp/htdocs/website Please help
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23:46<JoeK>jed: if i get a migrate to the same d/c (upgrade(?)) does my ip stay the same?
23:46<@jed>JoeK: in the same DC, yes
23:46<Dominian>JoeK: as long as it stays in the same ... what jed said
23:48<Dominian>hrm.. 10 - 15mins per GB... is that the complete size of the disk or just what is "used" space?
23:49<vineet9>i installed XAMPP and I copied my site to a directory under htdocs...i want my domain to redirect to this folder.... eg... to lampp/htdocs/website anybody here to help me
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23:52<amitz>vineet9: I'm making an (educated) guess here. You have to create a link in your normal web folder to lampp/htdocs/website. And set the apache configuration to follow symlink.
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23:52<amitz>normal web folder = default web folder
23:52<amitz>I'm too laggy too.
23:53<Dominian>migration processing.. thanks guys! :)
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