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00:38<linbot>New news from forums: Fedora 10? in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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00:47<SelfishMan>slackware 13?
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01:28<@tasaro> <-- if interested, go vote
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01:40<amitz>I just realzlied linodes block form the letter L.
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03:35<mike_k>Can anyone tell if linode downgrade is possible?
03:35<amitz>mike_k: yes, possible.
03:36<amitz>make sure you have resize your fs to the right size.
03:36<amitz>then file a ticket :-)
03:37<mike_k>amitz: thanks. just asking before upgrading. not sure if I can afford a bigger vds in a long term...
03:38<amitz>why the need of a (temporarily?) bigger vps in the first place?
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04:09<chesty>what's the easiest way to get a shell on a linux box behind a firewall which doesn't port forward?
04:09<linbot>New news from forums: Can't partition my linode in Performance and Tuning <>
04:22<mike_k>amitz: was thinking about possible upgrade. and realized that customers might come and go (leaving me with bigger linode than I need).
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04:54<amitz>chesty: Interesting, I'm also waiting for the answer.
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05:12<toyo|desk>has anyone tried this cherokee webserver?
05:13<AndrewLuecke>not me..
05:13<toyo|desk>hmm it looks interesting
05:14<toyo|desk>I will wait till they get the benchmarks up for dynamic content
05:14<AndrewLuecke>cherokee admin looks interesting
05:14<AndrewLuecke>yeah, it does sound interesting..
05:15<toyo|desk>might end up replacing apache on my node if it turns out good on the php tests
05:15<AndrewLuecke>I wonder if it supports URl rewriting and all that
05:15<toyo|desk>I dont know
05:15<toyo|desk>but if it will work as a direct replacement for apache and its orders of magnitude faster I might use it
05:16<AndrewLuecke>I wonder if it uses more ram though
05:16<toyo|desk>the machine they use to benchmark has less ram than my linode
05:16<AndrewLuecke>ahh ok
05:16<toyo|desk>they tested it with a p2 256mb
05:16<AndrewLuecke>yeah.. my linode only has 360 too
05:17<toyo|desk>from their benchmarks it outperforms the other lightweight servers though
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05:18<AndrewLuecke>yeah.. but still.. it might stink with PHP
05:19<toyo|desk>hmm yeah thats why I want to wait till they get results
05:19<toyo|desk>though they say it kicks ass on php too
05:19<toyo|desk>The next benchmark will be focused on dynamic content delivery, and it will show how Cherokee outperforms all the rest by even a bigger difference. Stay tuned!
05:19<AndrewLuecke>dunno.. if it works fine with URL rewriting I'd probably try it eventually
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05:20<toyo|desk>yeah for sure
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05:23<AndrewLuecke>I am so darn stupid
05:23<AndrewLuecke>took me this long to work out how to do something with a menu in drupal
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05:40<toyo|desk>looks like it has a rewrite
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05:40<AndrewLuecke>oh yeah.. I wonder if its compatible.. hmm.. either way, I need to fix my website features firsst
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05:52<toyo|desk>heh AndrewLuecke looks like the guys at cherokee wrote up a drupal howto
05:52<toyo|desk>not sure if it supports clean urls though
05:54<toyo|desk>at any rate I really like the nice interface they have
05:54<AndrewLuecke>looks good, but I need something similar to cpanel that supports Virtual hosts that supports it anyway.. either way, at this point of time, going to work on improving my sitye first, so people actually want to go there
05:55<toyo|desk>might be god
05:55<toyo|desk>anyway yeah I dont really use any cpan type things
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06:07<linbot>New news from forums: Few questions post install of Citadel in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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06:19<AndrewLuecke>toyo|desk, either do I normally
06:19<AndrewLuecke>but I'm sharing my account with someone
06:19<toyo|desk>a 360?
06:19<toyo|desk>my 360 struggles with my one drupal site
06:19<AndrewLuecke>yeah.. lol
06:20<AndrewLuecke>umm.. we are a tiny bit over the ram at the moment
06:20<AndrewLuecke>but its the only way I could afford it
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06:20<AndrewLuecke>Just wanted to really get rid of Hostmonster
06:20<toyo|desk>I will either have to increase my ram or ditch apache if my site takes off
06:20<AndrewLuecke>yeah.. same here
06:20<rainman`>dutch apache++
06:21<AndrewLuecke>if I ever get my site to be popular enough to turn a profit in adsense, then I'll upgrade
06:22<rainman`>popular != revenue
06:22<AndrewLuecke>at the moment, the 15 unique hits a day of both sites (and thats including google bots), don't really justify the use of a VPS even.. So kind of hoping I eventually can
06:22<AndrewLuecke>well.. 15 hits a day doesn't either :P
06:22<toyo|desk>meah my site wont generate profit its more of a social experiment I dont intend to make money one
06:22<rainman`>if you do come up with a nice idea to make money off your sites
06:23<AndrewLuecke>either do I
06:23<rainman`>this channel is always open for review and feedback on your ideas
06:23<rainman`>(and ripping them off if good enough ;)
06:23*rainman` waits for someone to fall for it
06:23<AndrewLuecke>I have one
06:23<toyo|desk>rainman`, what webserver are you running if you say to ditch apache?
06:23<AndrewLuecke>but haven't started coding it yet
06:24*rainman` has one in the queue, and one that's almost ready for release
06:24<toyo|desk>evidently cherokee is faster than lighttpd
06:24<toyo|desk>guess I will find out
06:27<AndrewLuecke>might be less secure too.. Might be worth checking that
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06:28<toyo|desk>though I am using php so security is irrelevant to begin with
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06:55<innociv>I'm having trouble adding a 3rd ip to interfaces. I've tried two things based on how it was before, and I've tried googling. Using ubuntu.
07:02<HoopyCat>innociv: use subinterfaces... eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1, etc. (the :0, :1 part is up to you, i just like using :0 and :1 :-)
07:02<innociv>Yeah just found that on wiki actually.. decided to put linode in my google search.
07:03<innociv>so I should remove my "up ip ad ad dev eth0" line from the end too?
07:03<HoopyCat>yeah. (i'm amazed that works, actually :-)
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07:12<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 44% full. Last emptied Thursday at 07:30 EDT, last full on Thursday at 04:30 EDT after running for 35.0 hours.
07:13*HoopyCat signs off on the paperwork to start Friday; off to the oil change shoppe
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07:25<innociv>HoopyCat, do i need to do anything when i have 2 gateways in network?
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07:28<innociv>Okay I got it working.
07:28<innociv>One more thing.. :)
07:32<innociv>How do I properly add an A record so * will work? So etc are all going to a certain ip.
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07:33<innociv>just put a * in's dns DNS record like there is www and mail?
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07:51*AndrewLuecke has no idea
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08:40<vineet1>Hi...fellow linoders :)
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08:40<vineet1>I am having a problem with XAMPP...can anyone help me ??
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08:41<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
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08:42<vineet1>ok...I installed XAMPP here then I installed wordpress...but images and CSS are not loading..what might be the problem
08:44<vineet1>ok...I installed XAMPP here then I installed wordpress...but images and CSS are not loading..what might be the problem
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08:46<vineet>ok...I installed XAMPP here then I installed wordpress...but images and CSS are not loading..what might be the problem
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08:47<vineet>anybody ??
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09:02<rhoduri>Good morning?
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09:05<amitzz>good night.
09:06<rhoduri>I've got a website,, with a successful installation of Drupal. However, pointing it to the homepage returns a spartan index where I have to click through the "drupal" directory to reach the actual homepage. Any takers on how to automatically redirect to the correct place?
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09:06<rhoduri>My apologies amittz, temporarily forgot there is more than one timezone
09:08<amitzz>np. debian or ubuntu or else?
09:08<rhoduri>ubuntu 8.04 LTS
09:09<amitzz>there is a neat way to make it direct to root url but i forgot. hang around, your answer should be answered soon :-).
09:10<rhoduri>great, thank you
09:10<rhoduri>no rush for me, definitely morning here
09:11<rhoduri>Does Linode draw a large international community?
09:11<rhoduri>Aren't all their data centers located in the US?
09:11<AndrewLuecke>I'm in aus
09:11<AndrewLuecke>and I can promise you there isn't a single good hosting service here...
09:12<AndrewLuecke>If people use any australian ones, its only because they don't know any better
09:12<rhoduri>thats a shame
09:12<Pryon>according to the "about us" page: # 131 countries customer diversity
09:13<AndrewLuecke>its not that they are bad
09:13<AndrewLuecke>its just that even getting a DNS is damned expensive
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09:13<AndrewLuecke>$5 per year from namecheap
09:13<AndrewLuecke>here, any isp would happily charge at least twice that per month
09:13<rhoduri>what gives with that?
09:14<amitzz>btw, try dpkg-reconfigure drupal6 . maybe..
09:16<Pryon>rhoduri: are you certain you've set DocumentRoot correctly for your drupal site? (assuming apache)
09:17<rhoduri>"'drupal6' not installed". i downloaded using wget?
09:17<rhoduri>and yes, I believe I did, that was my problem to begin with in trying to install
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09:18<Pryon>any particular reason you installed drupal outside of the package management system?
09:18<rhoduri>It works fine if I put it in my /web directory, but when I put it within /web/drupal, does not like it
09:19<rhoduri>Those were the directions I found online, I am a Linux/Server/etc. newbie
09:19<rhoduri>I saw instructions on how to configure aptitude, but what I came across seemed incomplete for actually setting up
09:21<rhoduri>Does package management gift me something with redirects that I will only struggle with having wgetted it?
09:22<linbot>New news from forums: All invalid domains resolve to hostname?! in Linux Networking <>
09:23<Pryon>It gives you (relatively) automatic security updates, ease of integration with other packages, etc.
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09:24<rhoduri>alright well I'll figure out how to set up package management and see if that resolves this root issue
09:24<Pryon>That's one of the more basic reasons for the existence of the various linux distributions - package management.
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09:25<Pryon>What is there to set up?
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09:27<Pryon>'sudo apt-get install drupal6' didn't work?
09:30<rhoduri>"couldn't find package drupal6"
09:30<rhoduri>read somewhere about needing to configure multiverse, isn't set up out of the box
09:31<Karrde>fix your sources.list, apt-get dupate, apt-get install drupal6
09:31<Karrde>that's at /etc/apt/sources.list
09:31<Karrde>if you want to pastebin that file we can add to it for you
09:31<Karrde> typo. "apt-get update"
09:32<Karrde>wait, says it's not in 8.04
09:32<Karrde>or no sorry
09:32<Karrde>what's the codename for 8.04
09:32<Karrde>I'm a Debian guy, not an Ubuntu
09:33<rhoduri>I believe hard heron
09:33<supine>8.04 was hardy
09:33<Karrde>then - drupal5 is in hardy, not drupal6
09:34<rhoduri>so then i'm back to just wgetting it, right?
09:34<rhoduri>if I want drupal 6
09:35<Karrde>either install from source or go through a procedure to grab -and build- the package from jaunty
09:36<Pryon>or run jaunty
09:36<Karrde>either way you have to track security updates yourself
09:36<Pryon>or lenny :-)
09:37<toyo|desk>I have never used a distros system to keep any web apps up to date
09:37<AndrewLuecke>why bother using apt-get for drupal?
09:37<Karrde>I did the Etch -> Lenny upgrade on my Main Server last weekend, and excepting me misreading and replacing a courier config file nothing broke :)
09:37<Karrde>AndrewLuecke: less work
09:37<toyo|desk>I have found there is serious lag between the time an update is released and the distro updates
09:38<Karrde>well if you always want the latest and greatest and need the new features now, sure go that way
09:38<AndrewLuecke>yeah, with a CMS with gaping security holes probably
09:38<Karrde>security updates usually get in pretty fast
09:38<toyo|desk>Karrde, I am talking security updates not feature updates
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09:39<rhoduri>karrde: my original problem was with the documentroot not pointing to drupal., you can see how it lists the directory and you have to click through to get to homepage
09:39<toyo|desk>at any rate drupal is really good at telling you things are out of date and you need to fix them
09:39<Karrde>so you found the documentroot last night? hooray
09:39<AndrewLuecke>it is with the addon that emails you toyo|desk
09:39<rhoduri>yes, there is some hope for me
09:39<rhoduri>twas a glourious moment
09:39<AndrewLuecke>anyway, I prefer to do it myself, because that way I can guarentee its up to date within a few hours
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09:40<Karrde>AndrewLuecke: and that's fair, but eventually I think you'll grow out of having the time and inclination to keep track and update yourself :p
09:40<rhoduri>it works fine if i put it in /web, but my problem stems from putting it in /web/drupal
09:40<AndrewLuecke>You'll still need to keep track of all your modules too though anyway..
09:40<toyo|desk>Karrde, the only way it would help me is if they have ALL the module updates
09:40<toyo|desk>if not its crap
09:41<toyo|desk>I have WAY more modules that need updating than core
09:41<AndrewLuecke>and updating doesn't take much effort, you just back up sites, and .htaccess, wipe the directory, drop the new drupal in, and boom.
09:41<Karrde>rhoduri: if you want to hit your drupal install, why not put it in /web ?
09:41<AndrewLuecke>but anyway, my opinion :P
09:42<toyo|desk>half the time I dont even do that
09:42<toyo|desk>I do it the lazy way
09:42<AndrewLuecke>just untar and hope its good? :P
09:42<rhoduri>Well, I was only following the structure from my short time at WebFaction, but say I want some other piece of software in there?
09:42<rhoduri>won't it get messy
09:43<toyo|desk>well its more like untar and replace the .htaccess with the one I customized but other than that yeah
09:43<toyo|desk>oh and run update.php
09:44<Karrde>rhoduri: it might. There are a few ways you can do this; probably the best is to open your Apache config file and set up a RewriteRule to point / at /drupal . You can always change it later, and you can still link to other subdirectories. (read google/the manual about rewrite rules)
09:44<AndrewLuecke>or you could use simplescripts
09:44<AndrewLuecke>and they can keep your stuff up to date for you
09:44<linbot>New news from forums: php segmentation fault in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
09:45<rhoduri>I'll stick with RewriteRule, i know i setup up cleanURLs through there, per the Linode Library
09:45<amitz>back, rhoduri, I have installed drupal but in debian lenny. I have the exact same problem but I somehow solved, and IIRC elegantly. But I forgot how.
09:45<AndrewLuecke>each to their own though.. I just like the idea of managing my own security.. Acquia drupal may have mechanisms to allow it to auto update everything though
09:46<amitz>rhoduri: anyway, you probably better off asking in #debian or #drupal.
09:47<amitz>for the elegant but I forgot way.
09:48<rhoduri>alright, now I just need to figure out how to get there, i only started using IRC last night
09:48<AndrewLuecke>normally //server and //join
09:48<AndrewLuecke>err.. no double slashes
09:48<AndrewLuecke>only single
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09:49<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] Power outages (the bane of IT!) in /dev/random <>
09:57<AndrewLuecke>hmm "Among OSNews readers, Slackware is a surprisingly popular choice when it comes to Linux distributions"
09:57<AndrewLuecke>I wonder why its a surprise? :P
09:57*Solver hasn't used it since 1995 or so
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09:58<AndrewLuecke>well.. maybe 2001 for me
09:58-!-|Kyhwana| [kvirc@2001:4428:20d::4] has joined #linode
09:58<AndrewLuecke>didn't get what all the fuss was about though
09:59<AndrewLuecke>oh.. it finally has a 64bit version, that was quick
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09:59<Daevien>slackware has no real package management thats why a lot have moved away
10:00<AndrewLuecke>i thought they added it?
10:00<atourino>the slackwarez, they are released
10:01<TheJoe>Aaaah a week away.
10:01<Daevien>there's basic stuff.. but it was always just tar files basically.. i haven't used it in a whiel either, but it was what i started with back in like 94
10:01*AndrewLuecke wants to start a campaign for developers to boycott linux until they standardise the package management systems
10:02<AndrewLuecke>at least add support for a common one
10:02<AndrewLuecke>Alien isn't installed by default though..
10:02<Solver>you can't enforce standardisation on OSS
10:02<AndrewLuecke>they don't need to use a standard one
10:02<Solver>even if all the existing major distros agree a new one could appear next year
10:02<atourino>it would be a pain in the ass to support > 1 package system per distro
10:02<Solver>with a new format, etc
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10:02<atourino>if they barely keep up with one...
10:02<AndrewLuecke>but they need to support a standard package format (even if it hooks into their RPM backend)
10:03<Solver>alien removes 99% of the problems I find
10:03<Solver>alien + a symlink or 2 removes 99.9% of the problems
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10:08<linbot>New news from forums: Why is setting up a subdomain for lighttpd so confusing... in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <> || Has my new Linode been compromised already? in General Discussion <>
10:14<linbot>New news from forums: What order should I do things in? in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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10:14*alpo notices that newark47's disk is constipated again this morning... seems to be a recurring theme
10:16<straterra>alpo: erhm..That might be me
10:16<straterra>Let me check, k?
10:16<straterra>Lucky you..not me
10:16<straterra>I'm raping newark27's disks
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10:29<@jed>Starting udev: /sbin/start_udev: line 257: cannot redirect standard input from /dev/null: No such file or directory
10:29*jed stares hard
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10:30<Karrde>_Kyhwana_: could you ping out some more please?
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10:32<linbot>New news from forums: little to no performance difference between 360 and 2880? in Performance and Tuning <>
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10:41<AndrewLuecke>hmm.. Acquia drupal has some nice modules
10:41*AndrewLuecke is just ripping out all the good ones and putting them in a normal install
10:47<amitz>silly but quick question. How to move to next line? echo '/n' somehow display /n instead.
10:47<AndrewLuecke>its \n
10:48<AndrewLuecke>no wait.. that doesn't matter
10:48<AndrewLuecke>its not working here anyway lol
10:49<jtsage>hmm. ubuntu vnc server? vino is being a real whore about running (this is for a local machine, fwiw - but, anybody got any suggestions?). also, tightvncserver from repos had keyboard "issues"
10:49<AndrewLuecke>or just echo will print a blank
10:49<AndrewLuecke>no.. \n should work
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10:49<amitz>AndrewLuecke: yeah, doesn't work either.
10:49<AndrewLuecke>the damn manual says it should
10:49<amitz>maybe \n and \?
10:49<amitz>\r , testing
10:49<AndrewLuecke>\l maybe
10:50<AndrewLuecke>err.. \f
10:50<AndrewLuecke>gonna try this
10:50<amitz>yeah, WTFT.
10:50<AndrewLuecke> Written by FIXME unknown.
10:50<AndrewLuecke>REPORTING BUGS
10:50<AndrewLuecke> Report bugs to <>.
10:50<Karrde>echo -e "\n\n"
10:50<AndrewLuecke>well.. can't complain to the author :P
10:51<AndrewLuecke>ahh, yeah.. karrde is right
10:51<amitz>ooh, let me try that
10:51<Karrde> -e enable interpretation of backslash escapes
10:51<AndrewLuecke>you on debian Karrde ?
10:52<Karrde>same thing on RHEL4
10:52<AndrewLuecke>I don't recall the behavior being like that on other distro's I've tried.. could be wrong though
10:52<AndrewLuecke>no wait.. I never use bash anyway.. i normally do this stuff in perl
10:52<Karrde>it is different on other Unixes
10:52<AndrewLuecke>or multiple echo's (because multiple lines of echos is normally easier to read)
10:53<amitz>Karrde: yeah, thanks
10:53<Karrde>hm, same thing on Solaris 10
10:54<AndrewLuecke>Didn't sun get bought out by oracle now?
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10:56<AndrewLuecke>thats a pity
10:56<AndrewLuecke>why are oracle still around again?
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10:56<AndrewLuecke>They must be making a lot of money from universities who buy their products to simply train students in SQL
10:56<@tychoish>they make a lot of money selling databases
10:56<AndrewLuecke>we got stuck with an ancient version of their SQL databases in uni :(
10:57<@tychoish>yeah, the university markets are, for databases, probably pretty small
10:57<@tychoish>big ass enterprises who need huge databases... banks, insurance companies, etc.
10:58<AndrewLuecke>Hope they don't kill off Sun completely. Sun recently got their act together a bit
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10:58<@tychoish>having said that, oracle is the party behind the btrfs, which is the GPL competitor to sun's ZFS (which is made of awesome)
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10:58<AndrewLuecke>ahh, didn't know that
10:58<AndrewLuecke>That might have been a strategical thing originally though
10:59<@tychoish>of course. but Oracle is a big redistrubtor of RHEL (basically)
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10:59<AndrewLuecke>Would be nice if they made the licencing of Dtrace less restrictive
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11:04<randallman>oles, no thanks
11:05<randallman>Oracle is trying to get me to switch all 300 RHEL licenses I have to OLES
11:05<randallman>claims I dont even have to re-isntall
11:05<randallman>Yall ever WORK with oracle support? HAHAHA
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11:05<randallman>Oh, and for what it's worth, we pay Oracle over a mil a year for licensing
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11:05<Huitzilopochtli>im out of the loop. is OLES == redhat server now ?
11:05<randallman>BEA Weblogic is now Oracle weblogic, the database obviously, we use Oracle Financials for accounting and such
11:06<randallman>and we also use Oracle Access Manager and OID for AAA
11:06<randallman>so they make bank from us :)
11:06<randallman>OLES is oracle enterprise linux
11:06<@tychoish>AndrewLuecke: Dtrace and ZFS are both under the same terms, which is pretty unrestrictive, except that it's not compatable with the GPL (because it's like the Mozilla liscence)
11:06<AndrewLuecke>WTF.. where do you work randallman lol
11:06<AndrewLuecke>thats crazy
11:06<randallman>AndrewLuecke, a company? :P
11:06<@tychoish>Oracle Linux is derived from RHEL :)
11:06<AndrewLuecke>tychoish, Not actually a fan of the GPL actually..
11:06<randallman>Oracle Linux *IS* RHEL
11:07<randallman>Derived my ass
11:07<randallman>it's no different than CentOS
11:07<@tychoish>which is also "Derived"
11:07<bd_>AndrewLuecke: The only problem is incompatible with GPL = doesn't go into linux
11:07<randallman>Basically, like they were saying, Ic ould just pay oracle instead of redhat
11:07<Huitzilopochtli>so oracle linux == rhel == centos ?
11:07<randallman>and I'd not have to reinstall
11:07<AndrewLuecke>GPL is impossible to read.. I do kind of like the licence its on, but I do prefer BSD/MIT licencing (whatever its called)
11:07<randallman>Mr. Aztec God, no :)
11:07<@tychoish>Huitzilopochtli: basically, brandingdifferences
11:07<randallman>RHEL is the root, CentOS and Oracle Linux are derivitaves :)
11:08<Huitzilopochtli>it would be funny if they rebranded centos
11:08<Huitzilopochtli>and just sold that
11:08<randallman>Huitzilopochtli - I asked you the other day why you didn't grace your people with 'Teh Wheel' :P
11:08<randallman>But you never responded :)
11:08<Huitzilopochtli>context? or is this some aztec joke
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11:08<Huitzilopochtli>i was just looking for the most annoying irc name possible
11:09<Huitzilopochtli>besides ``````````____a
11:10<laser`>Meh, tab completion :P
11:10<randallman>Yeah it was an indian joke :)
11:11<randallman>I found it quite odd that NO meso-american culture ever used the wheel
11:11<Huitzilopochtli>they were too busy playing decapited head basketball
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12:58<amitz>I hope pythondevelopment won't make it bloated..
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12:59<err0r>hello, im a customer but do you also provide linux help when im building my own server?
12:59*amitz is diving into javadoc.
12:59<atourino>err0r: there is informal channel support and forum support
12:59<err0r>what does that mean?
13:00<atourino>ask in the channel or in the forum and fellow users will try to help
13:00<atourino>maybe linode staff members will also answer
13:00<atourino>but it's not part of the contract for them to do so
13:00<atourino>but they usually respond
13:01<err0r>Right, basically i have this motherboard and it has built in network card
13:01<err0r>im going to install debian on my server, and I dont know which network driver I will need
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13:01<atourino>ahh... well the stock image you will use to deploy your plain debian server has all the drivers you need
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13:02<atourino>hmm... you are talking about a linode vm right?
13:02<err0r>all i have downloaded is the cd-1
13:02<amitz>oh, not that kind of help. But they/we do sometimes response when they/we feel like it.
13:03<err0r>okay im confused..
13:04<atourino>Linode only provides virtual machines... they dont (as far as I know) let you colocate your server with them
13:04<err0r>no im not asking for that
13:04<err0r>im simply asking for help with my own server
13:04<err0r>i am a linode customer aswell
13:04<atourino>you can ask in the channel
13:05<atourino>maybe someone knows the answer
13:05<atourino>it's the beauty of having people of different backgrounds hanging out in the channel
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13:05<err0r>does anyone know what kernel version debian 5.02 is?
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13:06<Karrde>2.6.26 no?
13:06<randallman>Jef, thanks
13:06<randallman>er Jed
13:06<randallman>We got our invoices :)
13:06<err0r>is that right Karrde?
13:06<baylinux>are there any known issues in dallas at the moment?
13:06<straterra>err0r: not that it matters..with linode you run a linode kernel
13:07<err0r>i think your misunderstating me
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13:07<err0r>this is my own server
13:07<err0r>not a linode
13:07<amitz>my debian 5.02 is 2.6.26
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13:07<err0r>okay its safe to say that the driver is going to be okay
13:07<err0r>are there any chances that the drivers may install with the iso?
13:08<err0r>may install with the os?
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13:09<amitz>err0r: not necessarily. This is something you should try or google yourself since there is smaller chance people have the same configuration as you are.
13:10<baylinux>seriously, anybody know of any issues in dallas? I'm getting xen_linode_boot: failed to get domid Linode failed to boot for unknown reason.
13:11<rainman`>anyone with an @ might know
13:11<rainman`>otherwise, mail or call
13:11<@tychoish>baylinux: file a ticket
13:11<baylinux>already did
13:11<atourino>maybe thats why they arent paying attention to irc
13:12<baylinux>not responding so much to the ticket either, which is fine, I'd rather the issue gets worked ;-)
13:12<baylinux>just trying to get some info
13:13<baylinux>first time needing to submit a ticket, so I'm not sure what the typical response times are
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13:16<atourino>they are pretty quick about it
13:17<atourino>specially if it's a server problem which is what your problem sounds like
13:17<randallman>What's the default root password
13:17<randallman>for a new Fedora 9 profile?
13:19<@tychoish>baylinux: we're looking into it as we speak
13:20<baylinux>cool, thanks again
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13:26<randallman>n/m just changed it
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13:29<baylinux>tychoish: thanks, it's back up now
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14:16<Krusten>Does anyone knwo if I sign up for a 24 mo. plan and pay today, if I could get an invoice today?
14:17<Krusten>I'm working on a govt grant and need to spendout by months end :-)
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14:17<aaronpk>yes, you will pay for the entire 24-month period when you sign up
14:17<Krusten>OK thanks!
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14:33<linbot>New news from forums: Please help! Paid Linux help. in General Discussion <> || Account Linking in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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14:34<Karrde> - works. - redirects to ?
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15:36<silverblade>Regarding CVE-2009-2692, I cant seem to find anything obviously stating this, but does it require a user to have been logged in?
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15:37<rainman`>silverblade, correct
15:37<rainman`>silverblade, but linode kernels are fixed for it
15:37<silverblade>Ah, that's a little better then.
15:37<silverblade>Yeah I was thinking of my own local machines
15:38<HoopyCat>"a user" is a very broad object and, strictly speaking, "logged in" has a specific meaning...
15:39<silverblade>OK basically do they have to be authenticated on a system, or can they exploit by either throwing packets at it or being at a login prompt
15:39<HoopyCat>silverblade: it requires access to execute a specifically-crafted executable
15:40<HoopyCat>silverblade: two lines of PHP will do it, unless you do it as a one-liner :-)
15:40<silverblade>Hm :/
15:40<BarkerJr>rainman`: are you sure they're fixed? centos only released the fix for CVE-2009-2692 this week
15:40<rainman`>BarkerJr, blogpost in the topic says so
15:41<silverblade>Hm, no new kernels for gentoo
15:41<HoopyCat>does gentoo use a custom kernel, or do they just use "the official"?
15:41<BarkerJr>maybe the blog is wrong
15:41<silverblade>HoopyCat: i use gentoo-sources version
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15:42<HoopyCat>well, it's a one-line fix
15:42<rainman`>BarkerJr, maybe it is
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15:43<CDubs>Hey everyone - I'm trying to run a webserver on my Linode using Ubuntu 9.04. I've got the DNS setup and Apache configured to a vhost for my domain, and I want it set to redirect to When I do a rewrite on the Apache config to do the 301 for to, it puts me in an infinite redirect loop. Thoughts?
15:43<rainman`>BarkerJr, maybe the new kernels contain code so that linode staff injects child porn in every 1000th packet
15:43<rainman`>maybe, maybe, maybe
15:44<HoopyCat>wow, i can't remember how to fix that. it's been awhile...
15:45<rainman`>BarkerJr, maybe insinuation could be based on facts :)
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15:48*silverblade sniffs
15:48<silverblade>bye bye uptime
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16:01<BarkerJr>yeah, silverblade :(
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16:17<Aero187>I think I've heard mention of this before, but Linodes pool bandwidth, correct? (two servers under 1 account, in the same datacenter)
16:18<tierra>I think I've heard that too, but I'm not sure
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16:21<atourino>they do pool it
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16:22<atourino>make sure you bring your swimming trunks
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16:25<Aero187>atourino: thanks
16:26<linbot>New news from forums: Why is setting up a subdomain for lighttpd so confusing... in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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16:54<BarkerJr>does it say anywhere that linodes pool?
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17:01<linbot>New news from blog: Rails Rumble 2009 <>
17:03<SelfishMan>BarkerJr: yes, read the site
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17:18<BarkerJr>ok, I found the caker post, thx
17:18<BarkerJr>amazingly the first result in google
17:18<BarkerJr>how do they do that?
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17:25<silverblade>caker post nom
17:26<@caker>which post? huh?
17:27<@caker>where am I?
17:27<SelfishMan>am I alive?
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17:31<baylinux>pparadis: would it be easier to work on here than in the ticket system?
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17:47<digitaljhelms>anyone familiar with nginx+virtualenv+fastcgi(flup)? nobody on freenode in #nginx is alive apparently, and i'm having a hellova time trying to figure out what is going on...
17:50<linbot>New news from forums: Citadel in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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17:55<cwood>Good afternoon. bja from #debian pointed me here. If I wanted a Debian shell account or virtual machine somewhere, could you suggest a company to rent this from?
17:56<straterra>linode o.O
17:56<cwood>Okay. /me facepalm etc.
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17:56<linbot> ...
17:56<@pparadis>cwood: that's okay :)
17:56<cwood>Sorry, not up on my hosting companies.
17:57<SelfishMan>ah yes, the infamous picard facepalm from the episode "Deja Q"
17:57<@pparadis>i was a customer for almost six years before coming to work here, if that tells you anything.
17:57*pparadis goes to get more mountain dew.
17:57<SelfishMan>pparadis: It tells me you couldn't afford the server anymore and had to work off the debt?
17:57<@pparadis>You have no idea.
17:57*pparadis goes for real.
17:59<Yaakov>pparadis is a tricky customer alright.
18:00<BarkerJr>linode has been around 6 years?
18:00<jtsage>huh. is that a work perk? cause for one of thos monster new plans, you can not only have my services, but i'll be happy to include my soul on a rent-to-own basis :)
18:01<SelfishMan>Yeah, I prefer my VPS hosts to only be around for a max of six months
18:01<SelfishMan>jtsage: you have to move to jersey. Is it really worth that
18:01<cwood>Thank you, I'll review at a more leisured time.
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18:02<jtsage>SelfishMan- huh. that might could as selling my soul right there..... :)
18:02<BarkerJr>maybe you can commute from boston
18:02<jtsage>er. s/could/count/
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18:10<awnstudio>linode dudes, im coming back from kickass and was wondering if i could reopen my account without having to create a new one?
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18:23<vuf>it didn't kick ass?
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18:25<alwaysconfused>Hi all. I'm wondering, how do I preview my site using the IP before changing the DNS? I tried http://[myIP]/[domainname]/[file I wanna preview] to no avail... any clue?
18:25<tierra>change your hosts file on your computer
18:26<tierra>(override the DNS on your system to provide the new IP for a domain before you've changed it)
18:27<alwaysconfused>ok, don't remember where that file is in windows XP though, can u tell me?
18:28<alwaysconfused>thx, will try it... brb
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18:29<awnstudio>no response to my question?
18:31<vuf>that is correct
18:32<awnstudio>that sucks, linode ppl are usually very responsive
18:32<LadyNikon>awnstudio: they cant always be here
18:32<LadyNikon>try posting on the forums or opening a ticket
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18:32<tierra>I know they hold on to old accounts for a bit - usually when behind on billing, I don't know about when you cancel your account
18:33<alwaysconfused>tierra: it doesn't seem to work. I added the following line in my hosts file:
18:34<alwaysconfused>did i do it right?
18:34<awnstudio>F-IT, i'll start from scratch
18:34<alwaysconfused>even with a ctrl-r or shift-ctrl-r, it still shows the old site, though a tracert points to linode... strange :S
18:35<jtsage>alwaysconfused- restart your browser. could be an internal dns cache.
18:36<alwaysconfused>k jstage...
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18:40<alwaysconfused>jstage and tierra: still doesn't work... isn't there an easier way to point just to the specific file using the IP in a browser?
18:41<tierra>not really if you're using Apache on the server... it needs to know the VirtualHost to use
18:41<tierra>this should be really easy and flawless way of doing it, I do it all the time
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19:02<sackler>mysqldump is causing my server to swap :(((. does anyone know if it's normal for mysqldump to kill database connections?
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19:08<straterra>no..but if you have low memory and a huge database..what else would you expect?
19:08<straterra>mysqldump will lock tackles
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19:08<straterra>lock tables^
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19:20*atourino locks and tackles ur mom
19:23<silverblade>awnstudio: you lose nothing by creating a new account :)
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19:36<HoopyCat>kibbles n bits and bits and bits
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19:39<thelongmile>hey guys quick question, am i ok to just do an apt-get remove sendmail
19:40<silverblade>greetings theshortkilometer
19:40<thelongmile>the moderatley lengthed inch
19:40<silverblade>steady :/
19:40<thelongmile>hah, ok, so can i apt-get remove sendmail is that ok to do, im replacing with postfix
19:41<silverblade>i dont see why not
19:41<thelongmile>oki doki
19:41<thelongmile>ill do a clone first just in case
19:41<HoopyCat>if you do purge instead of remove, and then install a new, more sanity-efficient MTA, the government will cover part of the cost
19:42<silverblade>sendmail is a bit crap anyway
19:42<thelongmile>run that one buy me again in logical you can do this hand puppets for dummies speak?
19:42<thelongmile>i've got a feeling it's not reporting back to my ajax script very well
19:42<silverblade>my general rule of thumb is, if you are acting as a mail server, remove sendmail, install postfix
19:42<silverblade>if not, use ssmtp
19:43<thelongmile>it needs to be able to send only but wordpress kinda requires sendmail or postfix
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19:43<silverblade>look into ssmtp
19:43<silverblade>it simulates sendmail
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19:43<silverblade>but does not act as a daemon or anything
19:44<thelongmile>ok, well, im gunna give postfix a go, installation looks relativley simple
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19:44<Yaakov>You mean it crashes, freaks out on IPV6 addresses and is really hard to configure?
19:44<thelongmile>postfix config doesent look that hard
19:44<Yaakov>Actually, I don't have crashes just lots of non-starting.
19:44<silverblade>= fails
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19:45<silverblade>Postfix is probably worth it if you want to learn how mail servers work or plan to expand later :)
19:45<Yaakov>Though Sendmail and I have an agreement now. It does what I want with minor goofiness.
19:45<silverblade>minimal amounts of fudge involved?
19:45<thelongmile>there is a problem with a contact form that relies on an ajax query on my site
19:46<Yaakov>Yes, that would be a problem.
19:46<silverblade>relying on ajax? ;)
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19:46<thelongmile>the thing sends mail perfectly, but faiuls to report to the user that it's sent
19:47<silverblade>Mail From: The Thing <>
19:47<thelongmile>do i have to enable ajax or something in phpp or anything or is it browser based
19:47<silverblade>AJAX = Asynchronous Javascript and... XML? or something
19:47<thelongmile>ah nah it's a contact form on the site,
19:47<silverblade>Javascript = client side
19:48<thelongmile>click on submit and despite the form actually going through and being sent as an email to me, the form just appears to hang on sending and fails to report to the user that it's actually sent
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19:49<silverblade>now then, why would anyone use ajax for a contact form...
19:50<thelongmile>i have no idea but it was the perfect contact form for what i wanted in wordpress
19:50<silverblade>hmm even
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19:51<thelongmile>what I cannot work out is if when you click send, sendmail is failing to tell the server that it's actually sent the mail, therefore the form cant report back to the user, or it's just something wrong with the plugin, and as it's working perfectly on the other old hosting i have then it's concievable that it's something wrong with the server i' build
19:52<silverblade>tried testing sendmail from the console?
19:52<thelongmile>well, the thing is hte mail actually sends
19:52<thelongmile>so i dont see anything wrong
19:53<silverblade>yeah could be hanging though
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19:54<thelongmile>hmm where are logs stored again
19:54<silverblade> /var/log ?
19:55<thelongmile>that be the one
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19:56<thelongmile>$ [], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK id=1MhBDQ-00083p-Ra)
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19:56<thelongmile>how can i tell if it's hung... all appears ok here
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19:58<thelongmile>silverblade: any ideas?
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20:00<thelongmile>bah they've all died
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20:08<thelongmile>*tap* *tap*
20:09<path>I can't hear you, please speak into the microphone.
20:09<path>I think you are holding it upside down.
20:11<thelongmile>more than likely
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20:14<thelongmile>do i need to install support for ajax or jquery?
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20:16<Nivex>"Slackware 13.0 Released"
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20:16<Nivex>ahem, I said Slackware
20:16<Nivex>c'mon mikegrb-bot
20:17<thelongmile>do i need to install support for jquery and ajax?
20:18<thelongmile>am i on ignore or something
20:18<thelongmile>sorry forget i said that im cranky
20:19<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
20:20<silverblade>difficult to say whats causing it really
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20:27<thelongmile>damn, just tried another form solution, and it... didn't work
20:30<thelongmile>*bangs head on table*
20:30<thelongmile>emais go through but well... they dont lol
20:31<thelongmile>im still thinking sendmail
20:31<thelongmile>reinstall maybe
20:31<jtsage>they are sending?
20:32<thelongmile>oh yes
20:32<thelongmile>even got your ignore message
20:32<thelongmile><b>Sent From:</b>
20:32<jtsage>then it's not sendmail. or the mail gateway at all
20:32<thelongmile>must be the plugin then
20:32<thelongmile>but, do i need to enable ajax or anything like that in the php.ini everything is bare, virginal
20:33<jtsage>i'm digging in javascript world a little. wondering if there is a dependancy out of place or something. was it ever working? (different server or something?)
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20:33<thelongmile>yes, always works on
20:33<thelongmile>that site is still on my old server hosted by buyhttp
20:33<thelongmile>works perfectly
20:33<jtsage>shouldn't need anything, no. at worst, ajax would get a little wobbly on an incorrect xml mime type. but no idea if that's even really an issue these days
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20:38<thelongmile>just installed wp-server info into both, looking and comparing the.... settings, i thinkg
20:38<thelongmile>php max script execute time?
20:38<jtsage>what is it now? around a minute by default or something?
20:39<thelongmile>300s it was 30s on the server before, but i thought was a max if the script went and looped
20:41<thelongmile>ok changed it, no difference, site in general lods abit faster
20:42<thelongmile>hmm now i've changed that it's not sending the mail, that tells me it's hanging, do you concurr?
20:42<jtsage>it's possible. anything useful in the web server error logs?
20:44<thelongmile>so far nothing, just about the check the mail errors
20:45<jtsage>hmm. i'm coming up empty on the client side as well. not that jscript having to do with wordpress is any picnic to wade thorugh anyway.
20:45<thelongmile>hold on
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20:45<thelongmile>last thing in the mail.warn file is unable to qualify my own domain name
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20:46<thelongmile>(flare) using shortname
20:46<thelongmile>in fact, three errors about being unable to qualify my own domain name
20:47<jtsage>that could be it
20:47<thelongmile>now, normally i would set in hosts but the problem there is this server is also going to server another website on another domain
20:47<thelongmile>so, do i change my hosts file to AND add an entry below it thats says ?
20:49<schmichael>hm, duplicity doesn't seem to be cleaning up old backup sets because newer ones depend on them
20:49<jtsage>well, it's a bad idea to remove localhost from that line. it tends to break things. it really should be <external ip> flare.card...
20:49<schmichael>yet my last full backup was from aug 23rd
20:49<schmichael>any ideas?
20:49<thelongmile>thats not a bad idea
20:49<jtsage>if you really want those hostnames to be on the localhost loopback, you can add them to the line as well. seperate with a space, don't add another line
20:50<jtsage>i.e.: something
20:50<thelongmile>so on one line i have..
20:50<thelongmile>actually can i pb the proposed change
20:51<thelongmile>here we go, thank you
20:51<jtsage>schmichael- i'm no use, never touched duplicity. :)
20:54<thelongmile>thats making more sense
20:54<thelongmile>ok lets change hosts, and restart apache and see what breaks lol
20:54<jtsage>thelongmile- i may be splitting hairs there - it's the way i've always seen it / had it taught to me. it's entirely possible the other works too, no idea.
20:55<thelongmile>hey thats no problem, if you've seen it working like that, i'll trust ya
20:57<thelongmile>no luck sadly, but, at least i know that the system is .... as it shoudl be hosts ways
20:57<Huitzilopochtli>i wonder why any virtual machine i set up with virtualbox, and run nrpe on , complains of SSL errors from my nagios server when using NRPE. the exact same setup works fine in a real machine.
20:57<schmichael>argh! duplicity doesn't actually delete old backups unless you use --force!
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21:01<bob2>why would it?
21:02<schmichael>because the command name is: remove-older-than
21:02<schmichael>not: dry-run-remove-older-than
21:03<schmichael>wow my backup server is going to have a lot more free space
21:04<thelongmile>you have backups
21:05<thelongmile>hmm there are libraries for jquery
21:05<thelongmile>i wonder if there are libraries for ajax
21:06<laser`>And what do you mean libraries for jQuery?
21:06<laser`>jQuery is a library :)
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21:06<thelongmile>flare:/# aptitude search jquery
21:06<thelongmile>p libjs-jquery - JavaScript library for dynamic web applications
21:06<laser`>Oh, a package?
21:07<thelongmile>the things is to me, it works on the other server, so it's making me point my blame to the server
21:07<thelongmile>i havnt done anyting than barebones virginal installation of php
21:08<laser`>Oh, what's the problem you're having?
21:08<thelongmile>it's these damn contact forms on my site,
21:08<thelongmile>no errors on logs
21:09<thelongmile>but if you click submit the form freezes on the "sending" dialogue, it's written in ajaz
21:11<thelongmile>and i get the mails
21:12<laser`>Hmm, what's this woopra thing?
21:12<thelongmile>if it wasnt working on the other server back at buyhttp, i would say it's the plugin, but well
21:12<laser`>It looks like it's trying to load data from
21:12<thelongmile>oh woopra, it's live stats monitoring
21:12<thelongmile>oh i only just installed that
21:12<thelongmile>ill disable it
21:13<laser`>I'm thinking cross site security failure, but there's no errors
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21:13<thelongmile>here you go, refresh, i disabled woopra
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21:14<laser`>Where does the AJAX request get sent?
21:14<thelongmile>from waht i can see, the form just gets sent to sendmail
21:14<thelongmile>foo again
21:15<laser`>Yeah, sorry
21:15<thelongmile>dont apologise lol
21:15<thelongmile>if you want to see how it should work
21:15<thelongmile>click on contact
21:15<thelongmile>thats also my site
21:17<laser`>hmm, I wonder
21:17<laser`>I'm wondering if it's sending a malformed response back
21:17<laser`>Perhaps a PHP warning or something appended to the thingy
21:18<laser`>I have a plugin that grabs headers, but not actual post bodies
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21:19<thelongmile>it's a conflict
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21:19<thelongmile>i just tried soemhing
21:19<thelongmile>i disabled ALL other plugins
21:20<thelongmile>god damnit there was me thinking it was all the server
21:22<thelongmile>god damnit
21:22<thelongmile>All this time
21:23<thelongmile>i found the problem
21:23<thelongmile>it's another plugin
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21:25<thelongmile>breaking news, i am an idiot
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21:27<HoopyCat>i was thinking it was DNS-related, myself
21:27<HoopyCat>but it's sleep time now. g'nite
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21:31<BarkerJr>redhat just released an updated kernel to fix CVE-2009-2692
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21:33<BarkerJr>incase anyone's still on rhel 3
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21:35<jtsage>hmmm. ntpd queries/sec average is climbing a bit at last. nice.
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21:37<jtsage>mmm. that is what it's there for after all. and since i needed to play, and i'm pulling off of stratum 1, i feel very bad if it doesn't get some decent use.
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21:38<BarkerJr>so you joined the pool?
21:38<jtsage>yes. and listed on the big list of stratum 2 servers.
21:39<jtsage>also, for anyone in dallas, there is another set of dns entries to use the private net if they so desire.
21:40<thelongmile>I rewrote half of the plugin
21:40<thelongmile>it now works
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21:40<thelongmile>but i shoudlnt have had to do it lol
21:40<thelongmile>damn thing sucketh
21:41<thelongmile>hye if you wanna see it work...
21:41<amitz>jtsage: you mean if I ask IP address from your DNS, I can connect with everybody asking IF address from your DNS too?
21:42<jtsage>amitz - no. i mean that if you put in instead of, you get the private network in dallas :)
21:42<BarkerJr>ooh, so free ntp queries
21:43<jtsage>mmm. help yourself. # is 1 and/or 2
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21:43<BarkerJr>I'm not in dallas, but I appreciate it
21:45<amitz>ooh, cool :-)
21:45<amitz>although not in dallas too.
21:45<amitz>either. *sigh*
21:45<BarkerJr>I wondre if we should make a wiki page listing services offered internally
21:46<jtsage>amitz- dns response based on the location of the client would be very hot though. although, the backbone just keeps getting better and making it matter less and less
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21:47<jtsage>BarkerJr- huh. not a bad idea
21:48<BarkerJr>shall I?
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21:48<jtsage>if you do it, you are certainly welcome to list my ntp servers
21:49<thelongmile>all done
21:49<thelongmile>server side stats are left
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21:54<jtsage>eww. 'package php5 depends on package apache2....'
21:55<thelongmile>uh huh
21:56<emag>jstn: "metapackage"
21:57<jtsage>emag- aye. saw that. and corrected it. i suppose it makes sense most of the time, until you have someone who really wants to mess with things. in which case, they ought to know how to select the parts they want (or, in this case, want updated)
21:59<thelongmile>ah, once the disk is cloned for tomorrows work, ill reboot it, and head to bed
22:00<thelongmile>so despite it not being a server issue, thanks everyong for the help
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22:01<thelongmile>hah no choice server crashed lol
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22:06<thelongmile>right, finally it's working
22:06<thelongmile>night all
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22:09<amitz>another sickening long-term kidnapping. Google "Phillip Garrido"
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22:14<jstn>emag: wat
22:15<linbot>New news from wiki: Internal Services <>
22:17<jtsage>oooh. spiffy BarkerJr :)
22:17<straterra>I swear to god..
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22:19<jtsage> made a slight edit :)
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22:28<jstapels>I was wondering if I could get some help on my linode. I have it setup with multiple IP addresses, but for some reason after I configure them, only one of the additional 3 will let me ping it.
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22:29<X-LP>did you follow ?
22:30<BarkerJr>can you ping outbound?
22:30<jstapels>Yes, from the default IP.
22:30<jstapels>3: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN qlen 1000 link/ether fe:fd:43:12:d0:a6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet brd scope global eth0 inet brd scope global eth0:0 inet brd scope global eth0:1 inet brd scope global secondary eth0:2 inet6 fe80::fcfd:43ff:fe12:d0a6/64 scope
22:30<jstapels>Oops.. sorry... bad paste.
22:31<jstapels>Guess I should have used a real IRC client, heh.
22:31<BarkerJr>you might be able to specify the interface with -I in ping
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22:32<BarkerJr>so, I take it you see the IP in ifconfig?
22:32<jstapels>Well, I'm using the ipconfig2 tools, but yes. However... the interesting part is the "secondary" flag.
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22:32<jstapels>That only shows up on the extra IP that works.
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22:33<jstapels>e.g. inet brd scope global secondary eth0:2 (works)
22:33<jstapels>inet brd scope global eth0:1 (does not work)
22:33<jstapels>And by work/not work I mean that I am able to ping/not ping from the outside world.
22:34<BarkerJr>are you sure they're supposed to be /24 ?
22:35<BarkerJr>nm, I'm thinking of the private IP
22:35<jstapels>No I'm not... but since I don't plan on routing over them...
22:36<jstapels>I just moved them to my linode (within the last 20 mins)... could it take linode awhile to update?
22:36<BarkerJr>did you reboot?
22:36<jstapels>yep... twice :-P
22:38<BarkerJr>arping -UI eth0 -qc 5 <ip address>
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22:41<jstapels>What does the arping command do?
22:41<jstapels>I only know enough networking to be dangerous :-P
22:41<BarkerJr>sends an arp
22:42<BarkerJr>that should tell the router to associate that IP with your mac address
22:42<BarkerJr>just incase it forgot to something
22:42<jstapels>Ah, gotcha
22:44<BarkerJr>incase you're curious, you can see the table your server uses with the command 'arp'
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22:44<BarkerJr>it'll list the mac addresses of every IP on your side of the router that you talk to
22:45<atif>is this a right place for noobs?
22:45<BarkerJr>generally only the router
22:45<jstapels>5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% unanswered
22:45<BarkerJr>I think that's normal
22:45<jstapels>Didn't seem to help my problem, dang.
22:46<tonyyarusso>Usually my logins to my Linode show up as pts/0, pts/1, pts/2, etc., but I also see a login of myself on tty1 - what is that?
22:46<BarkerJr>that would be lish, probably
22:47<tonyyarusso>Well, it says it still currently logged in, and I don't have a lish session open.
22:47<tonyyarusso>Is there just always a login apportioned for lish?
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22:47<BarkerJr>well, you make a session to lish, then it makes a session to your server
22:47<BarkerJr>I don't know if you can logout of the second
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22:48*tonyyarusso tries to remember command-line-fu
22:48<tonyyarusso>There must be a way to show processes by terminal
22:48<BarkerJr>so login to lish and 'logout'
22:49<jstapels>I'm going to try and re "migrate" the IPs in the linode console between nodes. I'm hoping that'll fix the prob.
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22:49<tonyyarusso>Here we go - tty1 is running /bin/login --, -bash, and nothing else. Sounds like lish.
22:50<Bostonwealth>Hi.. I was told that I can come here and perhaps get some help!
22:50<@pparadis>Hi Bostonwealth
22:50<Bostonwealth>I had someone set up my linode
22:50<BarkerJr>well, tty is a physical console, so it's gotta be lish
22:50<Bostonwealth>and I can't access my usual ftp to make changes and add plugins to my wordpress
22:50<@pparadis>everyone, Bostonwealth called earlier and I directed him to IRC, please try to help if you can :)
22:51<Bostonwealth>I am looking to perhaps hire someone who can help maintain my site
22:51<Bostonwealth>on a continual basis
22:51<@pparadis>anyone around here looking for a consulting gig?
22:51<Bostonwealth>by the was pparadis.. thanks that was so easy to upgrade the linode
22:51<@pparadis>no problem
22:51<tonyyarusso>BarkerJr: Would the AJAX console show up that way too perhaps?
22:51<Bostonwealth>and all my clients are just saying so fast.. they can't believe it
22:52<Bostonwealth>I am at the AJAX console
22:52<Bostonwealth>but sorry really do not know how to use
22:52<Bostonwealth>I tried to login
22:52<Bostonwealth>anyway if someone wants to provide consulting I would be happy to pay a fee
22:52<Bostonwealth>my email is
22:53<tonyyarusso>Well now that's interesting. 'status' in lish returns "Powered Off". :S
22:53<jstapels>Ugh.. same results. Okay... I must be screwing something up on my end... I just can't figure out what since 1 of the 3 extra IPs appears to work fine.
22:54<BarkerJr>Bostonwealth: how would you log in to your server? do you usually use putty?
22:54<Bostonwealth>the only way I did in the past was by using core ftp
22:54<Bostonwealth>but the guy that set up the linode
22:54<Bostonwealth>now says I can access thru root
22:54<Bostonwealth>I have no idea how to do that
22:55<Bostonwealth>as core ftp is not taking the username root
22:55<jtsage>hrm. was having headache galore with ipv6 reverse lookups. made this (meant to be used with wget -O -). probably going to leave it there, if anyone else might need it.
22:55<Bostonwealth>and the password he gave me
22:56<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: have you tried logging in with something like WinSCP?
22:56<jstapels>@Boston... it's possible that either (A) The person who setup didn't actually configure it to allow a "root" login (which can be disabled very often by default for security reasons), or (B) perhaps he configured SFTP instead of regular FTP?
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22:57<Bostonwealth>I will try WINSCP
22:57<Bostonwealth>jstapels.. no he told me that he set up root
22:57<jstapels>So, is there anything else I can try to determine why my IP addresses aren't responding?
22:57<Bostonwealth>and that is was almighty and all poweful.. and I should not mess with it!
22:57<straterra>define 'arent responding'
22:57<@pparadis>SCP/SFTP is better anyhow, as FTP transfers login credentials and data over the network data over the network in plaintext.
22:58<jstapels>They won't respond to pings.
22:58<straterra>What distro?
22:58<@pparadis>jstapels: did you reboot after configuring your new IPs?
22:58<straterra>Turn off iptables
22:58<jstapels>I configured four IPs...
22:58<jstapels>Two work, two don't.
22:58<@pparadis>pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file?
22:59<@pparadis>or if you want the supersexy mikegrb pastebin, use
22:59<jstapels>I pasted... so I need to link you somehow? (not fam. with pastebin)
23:00<@pparadis>yepper, paste the link to the pastebin post.
23:00<jstapels>Sadly.. there's not much to it, lol
23:02*pparadis looks
23:02<jstapels>Oh... i lied... it looks three of 'em work.
23:02<jstapels>Only doesn't
23:03<jstapels>Sadly, that's the one I'm working with for an HTTPS site, lol
23:03<@pparadis>jstapels: what's your linode username?
23:03<@pparadis>just checking :), hang on
23:04*jstapels hangs
23:04<Bostonwealth>in WinSCP it asks for hostname.. what should that be.. sorry so naive!
23:04<@pparadis>your linode's ip address
23:05<@pparadis>jstapels: still looking at your stuf
23:05<@pparadis>stuff, even
23:05<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: look at the Network tab in the Linode Manager.
23:06<Bostonwealth>thank you!
23:06<@pparadis>you're welcome
23:07*amitz finally see the purpose of irrsi's added space between '<' and nickname.
23:07<@pparadis>amitz: ^
23:07<Bostonwealth>Do I use the etho or Gateways
23:08<Bostonwealth>wow you are quick.. you really know your stuff!
23:08<@pparadis>that's why i work here ;)
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23:08*pparadis thanks dad for giving him a TRS-80 at age 8 and telling him to write his own software.
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23:08<amitz>pparadis: :-)
23:09<jstapels>I had one of those too! :)
23:09<jstapels>With an add-on for color
23:09<BarkerJr>are you going to tell us what year that was?
23:09<@pparadis>jstapels: i don't see anything wrong with your interfaces file. out of curiosity, could you take out the lines for broadcast and network and try restarting networking?
23:09<Pryon>c=64 4 lyfe yo
23:09<Bostonwealth>Wow pparadis!!
23:09<Bostonwealth>I am in!
23:09<Bostonwealth>quick question
23:09<@pparadis>good deal :)
23:09<BarkerJr>awesome :)
23:10<Bostonwealth>if my programmer had access to my ftp could he also see the files on my computer
23:10<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: I strongly recommend making a backup of anything before modifying it.
23:10<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: your programmer set up your Linode, so he probably has your root password and access to everything.
23:10<@pparadis>you can change your root password using SSH.
23:11<@pparadis>are you familiar with PuTTY?
23:11<amitz>My parents paid a lot of money to buy me a PC. I thank them for that considering that it'sa really siginificant amount of money for them at that moment.
23:11*jstapels will do that shortly... his newborn son suddenly needs some attention.
23:11<@pparadis>jstapels: i'm jealous of your color TRS-80 :D
23:11<Bostonwealth>wow so when you give someone access to ftp they can basically "SEE" everything on your computer and download it!
23:11<@pparadis>jstapels: however, i also had an AT&T PC-6300 8086 box with a Weitek math co-processor and a $4K EGA card ;)
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23:12<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: if someone has the root password and root logins are enabled over SSH (which in your they are) they have complete access to the system.
23:12<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: that's not a bad thing if you have a trusted system administrator, but it's not good for average users to have.
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23:13*amitz has never even tasted EGA. VGA straight from CGA.
23:13<Bostonwealth>pparadis.. what I meant is can that person actually also see and copy say your word documents..
23:14<amitz>I remembered gaga-ing over someone's VGA.
23:14<Bostonwealth>Can you guide me in changing root password in SSH please!
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23:16<amitz>Bostonwealth: the programmer will notice that you change the password though. Is (s)he administering you linode a one time engagement or continuous?
23:17*jstapels kind of back...
23:17<jstapels>I touched nothing... and now all my IPs are working...
23:17<jstapels>So either I'm too impatient... or you guys rock (and I'll gladly you give you all the credit)
23:18<jstapels>So ... thanks! :)
23:18<amitz>jstapels: on behalf of everyone, excluding me :-), no problem.
23:19<atif>i've got a domain name and i want to use it as my vhost on irc (the only purpose) .. am i at the right place?
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23:19<Bostonwealth>amitz.. I don't want this guy that did my programming to have anything further to do with it!
23:20<Bostonwealth>he could not even get the images to show up on my website
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23:20<Bostonwealth>I had to manually reinsert everyone of them!
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23:20<amitz>atif: you mean you want to have people whois-ing you see your domain name?
23:20<Bostonwealth>So again.. if anyone out there would like to help me maintain my site thru linode on a continual basis
23:21<Bostonwealth>please send me an email to
23:21<atif>amitz yeah
23:21<Bostonwealth>hey this stuff on the root is fascinating.. make me want to change my field!
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23:22<amitz>atif: you don't have to own a domain name at all. In your linode, just set your reverse-DNS to a name you'd like to display.
23:23<jtsage>shuttle launch coming up at about :59, probably.
23:23<atif>amitz am not a linode user yet, but i want to
23:23*pparadis goes to NASA TV in his browser.
23:23<Bostonwealth>sorry another naive question.. why don't I see my wordpress files under root and where would I find them!
23:23<amitz>atif: or you just set that to your already bought domain. But that means you have to connect to IRC via your linode. In both cases.
23:23<atif>but i want to make sure what would i need to start with
23:23<BarkerJr>this is the stephen colbert launch?
23:24<jtsage>i believe so, yes
23:25<atif>amitz can i pm you?
23:26<Bostonwealth>what is the best site to download ssh from.. thank you!
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23:26<@pparadis>google search for "putty"
23:27<jstapels>Bostonwealth: Are you looking to hire an admin? Or you want to learn to do it yourself?
23:27<@pparadis>if i may be so bold, both.
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23:27<@pparadis>mostly he wants to hire an admin to fix his stuff up right, and he'd like to learn something along the way.
23:27<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: is that about right?
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23:28<amitz>atif: yeah
23:28<alwaysconfused>hi, does somebody know how to access files directly from a browser on a domain folder on my linode BEFORE switching the DNS? I tried changing the hosts file in my computer, to no avail.
23:29<Turl>alwaysconfused: did you reboot, if you are using windows?
23:29<Bostonwealth>wow you guys are great
23:29<Bostonwealth>I am in putty
23:30<Bostonwealth>it is asking login as
23:30<Bostonwealth>what do I enter please
23:31<@pparadis>username: root
23:31<@pparadis>basically the same settings you used for WinSCP.
23:32<@pparadis>but if you're not familiar Linux filesystems, honestly PuTTY isn't going to be much help.
23:32<@pparadis>it's basically the same as the console.
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23:32<@pparadis>your web files would be wherever your site is stored, maybe somewhere under "/var/www" ?
23:33<atif>pparadis, i want to use my domain name ( as my irc vhost, can this be done with linode?
23:33<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: you're probably better off with WinSCP.
23:33<@pparadis>atif: are you referring to setting your reverse DNS?
23:33<atif>pparadis am noob!
23:34<atif>pparadis but yeah, maybe
23:34<@pparadis>you can set your RDNS from the Linode Manager.
23:34<@pparadis>look at the Network tab.
23:34<atif>pparadis am not a user yet
23:34<atif>but i want to make sure i can before i buy service
23:34<Bostonwealth>ok.. so pleae how do I go about changing the password!
23:34<@pparadis>yes, you can set reverse DNS for your IPs using the Linode Manager.
23:35<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: use PuTTY to log in as root, and issue the command "passwd"
23:35<atif>pparadis cool
23:35<@pparadis>atif: you should sign up for a Linode. we have a 7 day money back guarantee.
23:36<atif>pparadis i think i should
23:36<@pparadis>you know you want to.
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23:36<atif>pparadis but i'll have to read about rdns first... a bit of knowledge is good
23:37<@pparadis>RNDS sets the reverse DNS name for an IP address.
23:37<@pparadis>RDNS rather
23:37<Bostonwealth>cool.. so I just now enter new UNIX password!
23:37<Pryon>atif: if you to show up as, just IRC from your linode and you don't have to mess with vhosts
23:37<atif>pparadis, alright! so basically i've to go to my domain manager and change the NS settings to linode one?
23:38<Bostonwealth>cool it says password updated successfully
23:38<@pparadis>good deal :)
23:38<Bostonwealth>how to you save the putty program to the desktop?!
23:38<Bostonwealth>Hey pparadis
23:38<Bostonwealth>you should have a little icon called contribute
23:38<Bostonwealth>I would be happy to do that!
23:39<Bostonwealth>not many places provide this level of service
23:39<alwaysconfused>turl: yes, rebooted
23:39<Bostonwealth>well in return.. and this is a plug for
23:39<Bostonwealth>sign up for the newsletter
23:39<Bostonwealth>and learn everything you need to know about the stock market
23:39<Pryon>pparadis: apparently you're underpaid
23:39<Bostonwealth>been at it for 27 years
23:39<atif>Pryon, so basically i've to change the nameservers of my domain name to my linode and simply use irc from linode to use that host?
23:40<Bostonwealth>So pparadis.. my x programmer is going to be shocked when he can't login anymore
23:40<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: funny you should mention that, i wrote some software a few years ago for the market that's apparently still in use... unfortunately i'm still under NDA ;)
23:40<@pparadis>and your "programmer" will probably assume you wised up and got somebody else.
23:41<Pryon>atif: exactly
23:41<Bostonwealth>well when you want to do some more market programming
23:41<@pparadis>Pryon: i'm paid rather well by Linode, thank you ;)
23:41<Bostonwealth>shoot me an email....
23:41<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: word :)
23:41<Pryon>pparadis: I figured :-)
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23:41<Pryon>atif: you needn't use linode's DNS, but it makes life quite a bit easier
23:41<Bostonwealth>sorry do not get what you mean by word
23:41<Bostonwealth>also one final question please
23:41<@pparadis>it means "all right" :)
23:42<atif>Pryon looks sweet!
23:42<Bostonwealth>why do I not see my wordpress files under root in the winscp
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23:42<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: your WordPress files will be wherever they're stored for your web server...
23:42<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: they may be under a subdirectory in "/var/www"
23:43<Bostonwealth>yes but root does not show var/www
23:43<Bostonwealth>sorry I am naive!
23:44<atif>so does linode comes with web hosting too?
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23:44<Turl>atif: if you install a webserver, you can state so :P
23:44<@pparadis>atif: you have root access; you're free to install anything you like on whichever distro you choose to install.
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23:45<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: try using the up arrow to navigate up in the filesystem.
23:45<atif>oh i see
23:45<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: (the up arrow icon in WinSCP on the remote side)
23:45<atif>so it's basically a whole box which i can play around but can't touch physically!
23:46<Bostonwealth>Billions of blue blistering barnacles.. it is there!!!!
23:46<@pparadis>atif: it's like a dedicated server, without the dedicated price tag.
23:46<atif>the world is crazy
23:46<@pparadis>awesome alliteration amazes all!
23:47<Bostonwealth>hey pparadis!!!
23:47<Bostonwealth>for all the help.. the least I can do is upgrade my linode!
23:47*pparadis originally wanted to be an English Lit major, but just couldn't let go of obsessive programming and system administration.
23:47<atif>programming is an art i believe
23:48<Bostonwealth>it will still be cheaper.. well don't want to publicly diss who I came from
23:48<@pparadis>Bostonwealth: if you like, sure :). that said, the help in IRC is free ;)
23:48<Bostonwealth>if I upgrade to I have to pay now as well
23:48<Bostonwealth>do I have to pay now?
23:48<@pparadis>upgrades, like everything else, are pro-rated.
23:48<Bostonwealth>Yes but does it get billed to my credit card right away?
23:49<Bostonwealth>also what are the hours for the support when I submit a ticket to linode
23:49<@pparadis>whatever the pro-rated portion is will.
23:50<@pparadis>our "official" hours are 9-5 EST. you'll usually find employees in IRC after hours, though.
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23:50<Bostonwealth>so if I do a ticket now will it be addressed.. or should I wait till morning!
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23:51<Bostonwealth>hey pparadis.. go to my site.. see what I placed a few hours ago
23:51<@pparadis>honestly, most of the time tickets won't take long to be addressed, but there _may_ be occassions where they wait until morning to be looked at.
23:51*pparadis looks
23:51<Bostonwealth>I told my investors that I now have the super fast linode server and left a link to your site!!!
23:51<@pparadis>very nice, thank you!
23:52<Bostonwealth>k time to go watch a movie with the wive and kids
23:52<Bostonwealth>pparadis thank you so much.. and everyone else who contributed
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23:52<@pparadis>do that :). children are great, i have one on the way :)
23:52<Bostonwealth>I still am willing to hire a consultant for conitinual monitering of my site
23:53<@pparadis>keep asking in the channel for a few days, you'll probably find a taker.
23:53<Bostonwealth>so anyone out there please do not hesitate to send me an email at
23:53<Bostonwealth>yes I like this chat room.. I will revist!!!
23:53<Bostonwealth>goodnight and thank you so much!!!
23:53<@pparadis>good deal,
23:53<@pparadis>good night!
23:54<atif>Bostonwealth what exactly are you looking for in the monitoring of the website
23:54<@pparadis>he's really looking for a sysadmin
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23:56<vinic>nasa is about to throw dudes into space.
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23:56<Pryon>those bastards
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23:57<Pryon>Harshest mob enforcers on the planet. Their methods are a little expensive, though.
23:58<Pryon>"You'll be *begging* us to break your knees when you hit max Q."
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