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00:04<aaronpk>anybody else been having trouble resolving domains using or
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00:20<Talman|Ghosting>I... I haven't used them since 2004.
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00:22<bd_>aaronpk: just fyi, those are anycasted, so any downtime with them is likely only to affect a small area
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00:48<linbot>New news from forums: mail gets to spam inboxes : DKIM solution? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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01:02<aaronpk>bd_: whenever my php script used curl to download a web page it would time out. in testing this, i discovered that `telnet 80` would try to connect to "". if i ran `dig` it would resolve properly, then a subsequent telnet would connect fine.
01:02<aaronpk>i was able to reproduce this problem with many different domains
01:02<aaronpk>and it persisted across a reboot. finally i changed the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf to opendns' and it was working perfectly
01:05<chesty>I've seen similar problems with home asdl routers built in dns server
01:05<aaronpk>that was my first thought, especially because i'm behind 2 home routers :/
01:09<Talman|Ghosting>My Qwest Provided Actiontec 1000 delays all DNS queries while it logs them to nvram.
01:10<Talman|Ghosting>Then proxies.
01:10<aaronpk>i hate actiontec routers
01:16<warewolf>the verizon fios ones?
01:16<warewolf>yeah, they kinda suck
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01:38<Lucent>my cpan is trashed
01:38<Lucent>can't install anything, everything says circular dependency
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01:38<Lucent>can i ditch cpan and reinstall without reinstalling perl?
01:39<amitz>Lucent: I bet it's on yum or rpm?
01:42<Lucent>i really don't know what i'm doing
01:42<chesty>I've heard that about lucent
01:49<Lucent>it appears make is broken, all the errors are make-related make test had returned bad status, won't install without force
01:50<Lucent>i've installed build-essential, but that was after perl and cpan
01:50<amitz>Lucent: I was mocking without offering any solution, sorry. I don't know about those stuff.
01:51<Lucent>s'ok, i wouldn't be fooling with linux if i didn't enjoy being mocked
01:52<warewolf>Lucent: I know perl.
01:52<warewolf>Lucent: can you nopaste the errors you're getting?
01:52<warewolf>everybody stand back
01:52<warewolf>I know /regular expressions/!
01:54*amitz stands back.
01:55<Lucent>alright here we go, i reconfigured with o conf init and then told it not to trust what was already in the build dir
01:55<Lucent>that appears to have fixed it
01:55<warewolf>o conf init is a hammer.
01:56<warewolf>try nuking ~/.cpan next time
01:56<Lucent>i thought about that but was a bit scared
01:56<warewolf>there's nothing important in there
01:56<Lucent>i may still do that actually
01:56<warewolf>your CPAN config is in /usr somewhere
01:57<warewolf>the settings you redid via o conf init are in a CPAN/ file somewhere in your box, but not in ~/.cpan
01:57<warewolf>ubuntu seems to like putting them in /etc/perl/CPAN/
01:58<warewolf>redhat based distros (like everything else I presume) sticks it somewhere in /usr
01:58<Lucent>i'm getting used to the sprawling config files in ubuntu and apache 2.2
01:58<warewolf>oh I stand corrected, apparently non-root users can stick their cpan config in ~/.cpan
01:59<warewolf> ~/.cpan/CPAN/
01:59<warewolf>anyway, it's 0200, time for bed.
02:01<Lucent>nite nite, thanks
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03:35<Justin>Hey guys/girls... is anyone free to please help me with some very basic DNS stuff?
03:36<Andrew>best to just ask justin..
03:36<Andrew>because that means people who know the answer, can see the question
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03:36<Andrew>it just opens it up a bit
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03:37<Justin>fair point
03:37<Justin>well my current dns stuff can be seen here:
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03:37<Justin>pretty messy
03:37<Justin>i just found my domain is listed in
03:39<Andrew>there is info on
03:39<Justin>i had a read but i thought I had to have the mail CNAME there
03:40<Andrew>dunno.. I fail at DNS
03:40<Justin>me too :)
03:41<Andrew>its been so long
03:41<Justin>teh guy who set it up originally had his server as a back up for my mail server " MX 100".... i dont know wheter that's even worth having
03:42<Justin>and im not sure if ns1 and ns2 should be there now that im using linodes DNS servers instead of my own
03:44<bob2>it's not worth doing
03:44<bob2>pastebin fail
03:45<Andrew>sadly enough, I'd be overjoyed if my site showed up anywhere worthy of attention like that
03:45<Andrew>well.. not Spamcop
03:45<bob2>ns1/2 shouldn't be there if you're using linode
03:46<bob2>(but it doesn't really matter)
03:46<bob2>that looks fine to me
03:46<Justin>not worth the backup mail line? kill it?
03:46<Justin>mailservers should retry my server right?
03:47<bob2>oh wait
03:47<bob2>MX records have to point at As
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03:47<bob2>so either remove the MX records entirely (and mail will come to the A (ie the IP) of
03:48<bob2>or make it 'mail 86400 IN A'
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03:50<bob2>Justin: another minor issue is that you don't list ns3/ with the registry
03:50<bob2>add them as NS records at your registrar
03:51<erikh></w 3
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03:54<Justin>ahh yes
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03:56<Justin>are those CNAME records fine?
03:57<Justin>i thought thats what was causing the problem with
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03:58<bob2>the mail one is bullshit
03:58<bob2>the others are ok
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04:06<erikh>sorry for the spam :)
04:09<checkers>Justin: although you should fix the problem, be aware that rfc-ignorant are mostly a bunch of idiots you shouldn't worry about
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05:19<amitzz>holiday, is a happy day!
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05:42<mike_k>can anyone take a look at my boot log?
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05:44<chesty>anyone with a browser can
05:46<mike_k>sure, but would like to know if anyone have an idea abut what's wrong
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05:50<chesty>can't find the root partition
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05:54<mike_k>its' just me or configuration profile page does not save my settings.
05:54<mike_k>was a wrong boot device choice
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06:04<HoopyCat_>mwalling: ha! you've found the code i haven't converted yet. thanks for the # vim:expandtab tip.
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09:11<fapestniegd>jared: didn't you work for
09:12<fapestniegd>jared: they want to pitch us an ivr
09:15<randallman>I built an IVR once around a product called.... Uhm... Uhm... Voxeo
09:15<randallman>Asterisk wasnt as popular back in the early 2k's
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09:17<Yaakov>Back then we used stars.
09:17<randallman>Heh :P
09:19<fapestniegd>I'm a fan of Asterisk
09:19<randallman>I've never played with it
09:19<Yaakov>randallman: I used a DOS-based thingy from a company in Massachusset and I can't recall the name.
09:19<fapestniegd>I went to College with Mark Spencer
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09:19<randallman>with voxeo, you'd write scripts in XML... And then you could call out to an app server to generate additional XML...
09:20<randallman>and then it had a TTS engine
09:20<fapestniegd>and worked for his Linux Support Services until he realized there's more money in PBX
09:21<randallman>well it's the truth - most small businesses need *something* and a brick and mortar PBX isnt it
09:21<randallman>that whole 'trix box project is quite nice...
09:24<Yaakov>My PBX is made from adobe clay and straw.
09:25<Andrew>that was better then what my last company had.. the company that made theirs went bankrupt years ago
09:26<bryan007>hey i have a question to ask, is the port number 1221 blocked on here
09:26<randallman>We're a strong avaya shop here
09:26<randallman>but then again we have about 1500 employees globally
09:26<randallman>so we needed both traditional and VOIP
09:27<randallman>we're finally switching away from having POTS lines in all offices and we're going to use global crossing for MPLS and VOIP from our US remotes...
09:27<randallman>My desk handset is traditional avaya digital.
09:27<randallman>Non-voip :(
09:27<mwalling>bryan007: didnt we allready go through this?
09:27<mwalling>!f blocked ports
09:27<linbot>mwalling: The only DC that currently does any port filtering is Atlanta. For more information, take a look at and (53.452%)
09:27<mwalling>bryan007: ^^
09:29<fapestniegd>mmmm avaya
09:29<fapestniegd>you know that avaya has root on all those boxes, right?
09:30<fapestniegd>your network is only as secure as theirs now. congrats.
09:31<fapestniegd>when I was at Asurion, I had to fight them tooth and nail to get support without allowing them to sudo on something in my network.
09:31<randallman>Yes it's bad...
09:31<mwalling>we're an avaya/glbx shop here
09:31<randallman>The whole root access thing
09:31<randallman>and tehre's a lot of linux there
09:31<randallman>with who knows what revisions of which insecure software
09:31<randallman>I've had to help with tcpdumps on some G500s
09:31<fapestniegd>but if you're "enterprise" that's just how its' done (tm)
09:32<randallman>and they give you like a one time root password.
09:32<randallman>well, admittedly - it's tough to support 1500+ phones on open source PBXs:p
09:32<fapestniegd>randallman: not true
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09:33<fapestniegd>randallman: many boxes, and config management make it simple
09:33<fapestniegd>of course finding admins that use config mgmt is tough, so maybe I'm begging the question...
09:34<randallman>Config management... I used to work for Opsware :
09:34<randallman>It was a great tool, but...
09:34<fapestniegd>I've never used it.
09:34<randallman>Often times the job of using the tool was harder than not :)
09:34<fapestniegd>bladelogic, cfengine, and puppet
09:35<fapestniegd>I inherited Luke Kanies' isconf/cfengine hybrid at Caterpillar Finiancial just after he ran off to write puppet.
09:36<fapestniegd>talk about a rat's nest of code...
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09:42*rainman` does quite a bit of cfengine and will try puppet soon
09:42<rainman`>i consider cfengine impossible to debug
09:45<Huitzilopochtli>puppet has a lot of good points
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09:59<randallman>cfengine is a nice framework :)
09:59<randallman>I havent looked at puppet
09:59<randallman>we actually bought RHN Satellite server
09:59<randallman>which has some rudimentary config applications
09:59<randallman>but no enforcement of config policies without a great dael of custom scripting
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10:09<fapestniegd>puppet allows you to order work, which I find infinitely frustrating in cfengine
10:09<fapestniegd>don't do A until B is done.
10:10<fapestniegd>that was enough to sell me on it, but it still has problems...
10:10<fapestniegd>If I find a perfect CM tool, I'm going to implement it and retire...
10:10<randallman>We have so many silos of folks managing apps via web UIs
10:11<fapestniegd>spacewalk/rhnsat is okay if you only do rpm
10:11<randallman>that cm for anything besides the OS is going to be difficult
10:11<randallman>e.g. our apache configs are managed via SVN/Anthill builds
10:11<fapestniegd>yeah, you need a mash-up
10:11<randallman>weblogic, they COULD use xml-based confmgt, but they use the admin console
10:11<randallman>to add and remove and modify datasources and such
10:11<fapestniegd>something that will let you to MVC with all your disparate config items
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10:12<randallman>we also use tools like oracle access manager - sure we could go directly into LDAP and build policies and modify settings
10:12<randallman>but it's just easier to train folks to use the web UIs
10:12<fapestniegd>I don't want a tool that says it does everything, I want a methodology that will allow me to extend it to my needs without restricting me to java or .net
10:13<fapestniegd>in the short-term it's just easier to train folks to use the web UIs
10:13<randallman>and the products change so quickly
10:13<fapestniegd>in the long term it's easier to automate those peoples job's away
10:13<randallman>that automated conf mgmt needs constant tweaking
10:13<randallman>something like apache, perhaps not :)
10:13<randallman>but something like weblogic - lots of changes over the years
10:14<fapestniegd>automated conf mgmt needs constant tweaking should be part of the implementation process for your architects
10:14<fapestniegd>it shouldn't hit the floor unless it can be programatically managed
10:15<fapestniegd>but "enterprise" == "just have vendor professional services come in and set it up and show us how to use the gui"
10:15<randallman>It's sad but true
10:15<fapestniegd>the result is a bunch of monkeys pulling levers with no one really understanding the machine
10:15<randallman>how many times do I have to hear that so and so is going to 'training' on a new product.
10:16<fapestniegd>welcome to meatcloud-computing
10:16<randallman>Look, if you need training to understand the product... Either it's the wrong product, or you're the wrong engineer
10:16<fapestniegd>"embrace the meat"
10:16<randallman>Employee2.0 :)
10:16<randallman>cloud-work :)
10:16<randallman>My company FORCED me to go to vmware training
10:17<randallman>so I sat around for a 4 day course and I liked it... NOT
10:17<fapestniegd>when you could have learned more if they just left you alone for 4 days with a stack of the pdfs printed out from vmware's site
10:17<randallman>no shit
10:17<randallman>but that whole 'left me alone' thing :)
10:18<randallman>I get constant drive-bys
10:18<randallman>Like chirping baby birdies - feed me feed me
10:18<fapestniegd>I instituded office hours when that got overwhelming
10:18<randallman>I work in a cultural cube farm
10:18<fapestniegd>instituted, even
10:18<randallman>even the VP's are in cubes
10:18<fapestniegd>mmmmmm VPs
10:18<Lucent>you somewhere with 20 vps?
10:18<randallman>Of course
10:18<randallman>not 20
10:19<Lucent>and 40 employees
10:19<randallman>but no less than 10
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10:19<randallman>nah, about 1500 employees
10:19<randallman>It's not out of hand.
10:19<fapestniegd>at BoNY, everyone who worked there > 15 years got a VP title
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10:19<fapestniegd>there were like 30 VPs on my shift
10:19<randallman>the director of infrastructure is managing a team of 25, with managers managing between 3 and 10 people
10:19<fapestniegd>(I quit that meat-cloud after 4 months)
10:19<randallman>and the director reports to the CTO (VP of Technology)
10:19<randallman>so it's flat..
10:20<randallman>At general dynamics it was a disaster
10:20<randallman>but GD is such a loosly-connected conglomerate of smaller wholly owned subsidiaries
10:20<randallman>and I worked on the fringe for a small consulting arm w/ government contracts in IT
10:20<randallman>same with northup
10:22<randallman>Damnit, where'd I put that OAM services test harness
10:22<randallman>oh, yeah, on the Staging sonic MQ box - clearly related ;)
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10:25<Lucent>general dynamics?
10:25<Lucent>are we talking about real life or the tv show fringe
10:26<randallman>Real life? :P
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10:42*randallman downloads Oracle® Fusion Middleware Online Documentation Library 11g Release 1 (11.1.1)
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10:42<randallman>Someone get me some no-doze
10:42<randallman>and a knife so I can cut myself to stay awake
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10:56<Serpandrew>anyone happen to know where i can find php.ini in debian lenny 64?
10:56<Serpandrew>made sure i've got php5
10:56<Pryon>/etc/php5/apache2 ?
10:56<opello>if you create a <?php phpinfo(); ?> .php file, and browse to it, it will tell you
10:57<randallman>ooh I have a migration pending
10:57<randallman>that's right.... I'm on a server that needs maintenance
10:57<randallman>dallas184 whee
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10:59<DephNet[Paul]>daft question, how does one mount a partition so execuetable's can not be run from it?
10:59<Pryon>option noexec (?)
11:00<Andrew>it should be noted, that scripts can still be run though, with perl
11:00<Andrew>it just prevents ./
11:00<DephNet[Paul]>so i would just put noexec in the option values in YaST2 when setting partitions up in openSUSE?
11:01<Pryon>It's worth a try. Editing fstab is relatively painless anyway.
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11:02*Andrew wishes interpretors would respect the +x flag.. then it would be more useful
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11:35<randallman>Hmm I guess I got migrated
11:35<randallman>I dont see the job in my history...
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11:35<randallman>Ahh wait, yeah, tehre
11:35<d-b>hi um guys i have a few dmesg's about oom / memory allocation and i think dma
11:35<d-b>are others hitting similar issues, or perhaps it is just the kernel i am on
11:37<Karrde>you're using too much memory
11:37<Karrde>use less or add more
11:37<d-b>Karrde: i am not
11:38<Karrde>well then why are you OOMing then?
11:38<d-b>i have 1GB of free swap, 166mb in cache, 7 in buffers, 13mb free ram
11:38<d-b>Karrde: cuz linode shows me i have "breaks" where my linode just vanished
11:38<d-b>a while back.
11:38<d-b>but the terminal is now all funny.
11:39<d-b>its so not doing UTF-8 properly
11:39<randallman>I hate UTF-8 :)
11:39<d-b>mm wait maybe this is my fault
11:39<randallman>i18n is for... the non-english :)
11:40<Pryon>you can't even spell antennae correctly in ASCII, though :-)
11:40<reillyeon>Say what you will about utf8, but things would be even worse without it.
11:40<randallman>Ok :)
11:41<randallman>reillyeon - for me I'm mostly kidding - but Im takign the elitest 'english is common tongue' attitude :)
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11:41<Karrde>Μπορώ να φάω σπασμένα γυαλιά χωρίς να πάθω τίποτα.
11:41<randallman>You just totally f'd up my terminal :)
11:41<Pryon>It's all Greek to me
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11:42<Karrde>quick /redraw
11:42<d-b>anyways, i really would prefer not to reboot my linode
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11:43<d-b>white space in utf 8 is now ? 's
11:43<d-b>which really sucks
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11:43<Pryon>can't you just reset your terminal emulator?
11:43<randallman>A *lot* of software just isnt really ready for utf-8 :)
11:43<randallman>case and point, punycode.. for i18n domains
11:44<randallman>or for non UTF8SMTP e-mail headers
11:44<d-b>Pryon: its not just that terminal
11:44<randallman>SMTP is the classic example though - sure there's a need to include non-US ASCII characters in the SMTP headers, but damned if it wouldn't be akin to boiling the ocean to try to get everyone to patch to support i18n headers
11:44<randallman>even postfix doesnt support it out of the box.
11:44<d-b>Pryon: i opened a new terminal. used another user ...
11:45<d-b> erh i mean another system
11:45<d-b>ok that's fine .
11:46<d-b>i can haz issues :(
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11:46<d-b>erh i see it would be xennet i think ....
11:47<nicco>Hi guys, how come lish do not ask for the root password like other remote xen console does?
11:48<Daevien>oh yay, i just got volunteered to stay an extra 2 hours today *sigh*
11:48<d-b>Daevien: you work for linode or elsewhere
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11:49<Daevien>i'm canadian, i can't work anywhere cool :p
11:50<Pryon>you could work on openBSD
11:50<d-b>Daevien: rofl
11:50<Pryon>I don't know if Theo is hiring
11:51<Andrew>Wouldn't the turnover rate of people working with theo be pretty high though?
11:51<d-b>damn it im going to have to reboot now
11:51<d-b>this is soooooooooooooooooo made of fail
11:51<Pryon>Andrew: maybe
11:51<Andrew>he doesn't exactly pat people on the back
11:51<d-b>mikegrb: you are an op
11:51<Andrew>well.. although, maybe OBSD guys he does :P
11:51<d-b>mikegrb: i assume you work for linode
11:51<d-b>yes ?
11:52<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
11:52<d-b>Pryon: ;)
11:52<d-b>mikegrb: my linode has issues with uft 8 now
11:52<d-b>utf 8 *
11:53<Daevien>mike is like never here, he just has script setup to respond to stuff like lol
11:53<d-b>terminal is all screwy. i suspect memory corruption, im runing -> perhaps there is a regression in xennet ?
11:53<d-b>mikegrb: any opinions ?
11:53<Pryon>You may have to file a ticket
11:53<d-b>mikegrb: i hate you
11:54<d-b>mikegrb: ROFL
11:54<d-b>mikegrb: rofl;/bin/bash
11:54<d-b>mikegrb: rofl;/bin/bash
11:54<d-b>i win
11:54<d-b>mikegrb: rofl;/bin/bash
11:54<Andrew>actually, has list always transposed the cursor by 2 in Ncurses?
11:54<Andrew>list should be Lish
11:54<d-b>can some one else say rofl plz
11:55<d-b>i wish to confirm that mikegrb has bad code :)
11:55<TheJoe>rofl .
11:55<d-b>mikegrb: SANITISE YOUR INPUTS PLZ
11:55<Pryon>he likes his input like he likes his women
11:55<exor674>it's ratelimited :P
11:55<d-b>exor674: it better be :) rofl
11:55<d-b>exor674: AH so it is
11:56<d-b>mikegrb: fine be that way
11:56<d-b>are there any real ops in here ?
11:56*d-b note to self do not renew linode contract
11:57<Pryon>official support is done via tickets and/or ph one
11:57<Andrew>its probably midnight there d-b .. why, what do you need?
11:57<d-b>OH good point
11:57<d-b>Andrew: totally forgot
11:57<Andrew>no wait
11:57<Andrew>its 2AM here :P
11:57<Pryon>Noon in NJ
11:57<tarpman>d-b: differentiate carefully between mikegrb and mikegrb's scripted reactions
11:57<d-b>Andrew: you are in australia :)
11:58<d-b>Andrew: im going to reboot then storm along being unhappy about kernel regression
11:58<d-b>as i have no test system to repoduce this on.
11:59<Pryon>If you filed a ticket they might test it for you
11:59<Andrew>with terminal?
11:59<d-b>Andrew: yeah :)
11:59<d-b>exor674: i know zomg my finch session is b0rked
11:59<Andrew>you tried reseting it like suggested?
12:00<d-b>Andrew: resetting the terminal?
12:00<d-b>how ...
12:00<Andrew>type "reset"
12:01<d-b>Andrew: still broken
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12:01<Andrew>its all just garbled rubbish?
12:01<d-b>Andrew: no
12:01<Andrew>what actually happens?
12:01<d-b>just " " / white space is now a bunch of ?'s
12:01<Andrew>oh.. interesting
12:02<d-b>Andrew: want a screenshot ;)
12:02<randallman>wow, anyone here have stick time with Oracle Internet Directory?
12:02<randallman>Soooo Soooo different than SJSDS or OpenLdap
12:02<randallman>or RedHat Directory
12:03<randallman>Looks like it needs WebLogic for the non-console-based admin...
12:04<d-b>Andrew: it is running lenny bar a few packages
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12:04<Andrew>is this SSH?
12:04<d-b>i can also pastebin the dmesg
12:04<d-b>Andrew: via ssh yes
12:05<Andrew>I got this weird stuff too on lish.. never seen it on SSH though :P
12:05<d-b>Andrew: mm
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12:06<d-b>Andrew: im just worried if its memory corruption, meaning i should reboot
12:06<d-b>if its just finch, i don't give a damn. / utf8 blah
12:06<Andrew>dunno.. personally..
12:06<Andrew>would be interesting though
12:07<d-b>Andrew: sort of why i wanted to see if a linode guy was in here.
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12:07<d-b>was going to ask them to dump memory ..
12:07<d-b>doesn't really matter ill reboot it
12:07<Andrew>thats what i'd do..
12:07<Daevien>are you running it in screen? it's most likely terminal emulation, screen is oen thing that will mess with the ansi codes like that
12:07<d-b>Daevien: wrong
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12:07<d-b>im no longer in a screen
12:08<Daevien>"screen is one thing" i didn't say it was the only thing
12:08<d-b>i left that came back in as root, did dpkg-reconfigure locales and its utf-8 is wrong
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12:08<d-b>Daevien: i wouldn't be bitching if that was truely the case
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12:08<d-b>but its not
12:09<litwol|mac>Is it possible to authenticate and login into linode manager by hasing the API key ? perhaps by providing some kind of URL login method ?
12:11<d-b>Andrew: ill move back to the debian 2.6.26 kernel.
12:11<Andrew>isn't that the recommended one at the moment anyway?
12:11<Andrew>I think some of the guys were saying that the latest has issues with xen somehow
12:11<d-b>Andrew: oh ?
12:11<d-b>Andrew: AH that would explain it
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12:12<Andrew>something changed apparently, and they modified the xen code or something
12:12<d-b>Andrew: right.
12:12<JshWright>d-b: if you want to talk to Linode staff, open a ticket, that pages them
12:12<d-b>JshWright: its fine. ill change kernels. its probably just that.
12:12<Andrew>thats why 18 is marked stable
12:13<d-b>Andrew: sorry ?
12:13<d-b> 2.6.18 ?
12:13<Andrew>yeah.. at least in mine
12:13<d-b>Andrew: sif im going to run that heheeh.
12:13<Andrew>suit yourself :P
12:14<Andrew>anyway.. the ops know more
12:14<Andrew>but yeah, they did mention the latest kernels weren't up to scratch for xen
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12:15<Andrew>nothing they can do about it though
12:15<nicco>How come lish do not ask for the root password like other remote xen console does?
12:15<Andrew>nicco.. because you already logged in?
12:15<litwol|mac>Is it possible to authenticate and login into linode manager by using the API key ? perhaps by providing some kind of URL login method ?
12:16<Andrew>Lish seems to act just like you plugged a monitor into the VGA port
12:16<d-b>Andrew: xen isn't dom-0 hasn't even hit mainline yet
12:16<d-b> i mean xen dom-0 *
12:16<Andrew>dunno what that means :P
12:16<d-b>Andrew: the host linux kernel must have patches, so it can be the host
12:17<d-b>it is not in the mainline kernel....
12:17<Andrew>still dunno what that means
12:17<Andrew>I'm new with xen :P
12:17<d-b>I LIKE CAPS
12:17<Andrew>yeah.. I knew that lol
12:18<d-b>TheJoe: EXACTLY
12:18<d-b>mikegrb: LAME
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12:18*d-b reboots linode
12:19<d-b>sigh only up for 25 days before it needed a reboot.
12:19<Andrew>thats pretty impressive
12:19<Andrew>mines up to maybe 2 days
12:20<vblank>im up 313 days
12:20<nicco>Andrew: When I am infront of my VGA monitor I still have to login to get a prompt and when I check who is logged in, I am logged in as root, while lish does not behave like that, I just see myself as id 0 while w shows no root logged in, that is what I find odd..
12:20<d-b>vblank: can i have a local user account for a whole 2 minutes
12:21<mwalling>wait, what?
12:21<d-b>vblank: i hope you are aware that that kernel is pwnable. :)
12:21<d-b>unless ksplice is working for you
12:21<Andrew>you sure you haven't selected finnix nicco?
12:21<d-b>which i doubt
12:21<vblank>which kernel?
12:21<Andrew>nicco.. type logout, and see what happens I guess..
12:21<d-b>vblank: 2.4 / 2.6
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12:21<d-b>vblank: local
12:22<vblank>I suppose I should update my rh9 install
12:22<Andrew>you know, its probably nearly time for bed..
12:22<vblank>if it aint broke..
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12:23<nicco>Andrew: No, I am not using a recovery kernel.. the system is up and running.. just need a prompt to change network parameters without getting disconnected..
12:24<d-b>Andrew: probably
12:24<d-b>Andrew: fun times, 2.6.26 doesn't want to boot for me
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12:25<d-b>wow 2.6.31 is out
12:26<Andrew>intriguing.. well.. I'm tired
12:26<Andrew>night all
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12:26<JshWright>nothing terribly exciting in 2.6.31
12:27<d-b>JshWright: orly ?
12:27<walterheck>so, is there any way i can give another user admin-like rights, so they can give change permissions for other users and create new ones etc in the linode dashboard?
12:28<mwalling>just check the checkboxes for the other perms
12:28*atourino checks his perm
12:28<Pryon>nice do
12:29<walterheck>i did that, but the user sees an access denied when he goes to account -> users and permissions
12:30<walterheck>i did leave out one permission though: cancel this account. maybe it is nasty-ish in that it checks if that user has all permissions before it gives him access to that screen?
12:31<walterheck>and yes, i asked him to log out and back in again
12:31*mwalling leaves the question for an OfficialResponse(tm)
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12:33<d-b>OK RAGE
12:33<d-b>my terminal is still screwed
12:34<@tychoish>d-b: which terminal emulator are you using, and what'sth e glitch
12:34<d-b>tychoish: let me check again
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12:35<d-b>tychoish: gnome
12:35<d-b>and the glitch is
12:35<d-b>the ? ? 's
12:35<d-b>are meant to be white space
12:35<@tychoish>yeah, are you using the default font?
12:36<d-b>tychoish: erh?
12:36<d-b>im using UTF-8 australian as the default locale
12:36<d-b>i am going to try another kernel now
12:36<@tychoish>ive seen weird stuff where the font doesn't have full unicode support, and so the terminal gets confused
12:37<d-b>tychoish: question are all the current linode kernels patched for socks opts vul ?
12:37<d-b>tychoish: sure :)
12:37<d-b>tychoish: but the font works elsewhere ...
12:37<@tychoish>you're running gnome terminal locally, and sshing into a linode, right, just checkign?
12:37<d-b>tychoish: correct !
12:37<d-b>tychoish: but im also validating on another xen by another company
12:37<d-b>in the nl :)
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12:38<@tychoish>have you tried using xterm/etc.
12:38<d-b>tychoish: well gnome terminal works for the other xen. :) ill try again
12:38*atourino uses xperm thanks to mwalling's suggestion
12:38<d-b> /im going to reboot it now
12:39*tychoish uses urxvt
12:39<mwalling>xperm sounds dirty
12:39*mwalling uses putty
12:39<@tychoish>urface uses putty
12:39<d-b>tychoish: oh god, no not putty!
12:39<Yaakov>I use PuTTY-cyg and OpenSSH.
12:39<mwalling>well, my face is part of my head, which is part of me, and i use putty, so thats a fair assessment
12:39*atourino think putty is pretty schweet actually :/
12:40<Yaakov>When I am using Windows which is about 1% of the time.
12:40<d-b>tychoish: xterm shows the weird symbol differently
12:40<d-b>still broken :)
12:40<@tychoish>PuTTY is, as near as I can tell the best windows applciation around
12:41<@tychoish>d-b: weird, and you're using a stock kernel/distribution?
12:41<d-b>tychoish: agreed, almost as useful as firefox ;-)
12:41<d-b>tychoish: erh that's the just thing 2.6.26 amd 64 doesnt' work on it ...
12:41<d-b>from debian
12:41<d-b>distribution is faily stock
12:41<@tychoish>d-b: arguably more :)
12:41<@tychoish>you're using our 2.6.26?
12:41<d-b>tychoish: can't doesn't boot.
12:42<d-b>tychoish: im on 2.6.30 from sid
12:42<@tychoish>in the linode manager which kernel do you have selected on your configuration profile?
12:43<d-b>tychoish: pv grub before
12:43<d-b>just rebooting to the "stable kernel"
12:43<d-b>my god that kernel is slow
12:43<d-b>and its still screwed. maybe i have gotten a bad sid package
12:44<d-b>tychoish: i don't remember this happening before tho...
12:45<@caker>kernels are not slow
12:45<@tychoish>have you tried our kernel if you want to run 2.6.30...
12:45<mwalling>urmom is slow
12:45<d-b>tychoish: i did just before.
12:45<d-b>caker: ;)
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12:48<d-b>question any one know how to show all debian sid packages installed ;) ?
12:49<@caker>walterheck: only way is to make them a master user
12:50<@caker>walterheck: er .. unrestricted user
12:50<d-b>ok i believe i only have lenny packages except for a few other ones. and nothing has changed recently
12:51*d-b gets laptop out to confirm this
12:54<d-b>apparently its this system.
12:54<d-b>that's just freaking awesome
12:55<Pryon>when you say it's slow, can you be more specific and/or quantitative?
12:55<Daevien>so in other words d-b, basically what i told you before with the terminal settings & what someone else told you ;0
12:55<Pryon>(just curious)
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13:01<d-b>Daevien: nar
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13:02<d-b>Daevien: i was unsure, as a nother system i sshed from this box doesn't do that
13:07<d-b>*geek* rage
13:07*d-b pc goes out the windows in pieces !
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13:15<Yaakov>I didn't say blort.
13:16<litwol|mac>Is it possible to login to linode managed through some kind of URL authentication ?
13:16<randallman>Doesnt it support XMLRPC and/or SOAP?
13:17<DephNet[Paul]>can you do what you need to do via the API?
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13:18<Nivex>pass in your l/p, get an API key
13:20<litwol|mac>I have the API key
13:21<litwol|mac>What i dont have is username/password. so i was wondering if i can login to linode manager through some other means.
13:21<mwalling>litwol|mac: 13:18 < Nivex_>
13:22<litwol|mac>mwalling: thanks. it was already suggested.
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13:22<mwalling>litwol|mac: i know. thats why i cut and pasted it. did you bother reading the docs? it satisfies your need *exactly*
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13:23<Nivex>if you don't have l/p, how did you get the API key?
13:23<litwol|mac>mwalling: perhaps i should repeat wht i said: i said i dont have username nor password. i only have API key .
13:23<litwol|mac>I was given the key.
13:24<Nivex>so you're trying to own someone's account?
13:24<exor674>you don't usually admit that
13:24<@jed>no, you cannot
13:24<exor674>blackhat 101
13:25<litwol|mac>exactly what is wrong with that? i was given the api key to manage the account.
13:25<mwalling>litwol|mac: if you have the username and password, then you bypass the security of being able to revoke the key.
13:25<@jed>keys are part of permissions and grants, as well
13:26<litwol|mac>What about *.list commands with regards to permission. lets say i have API key that has no permission to manage most of the DNS on an account and only able to manage several ofthem
13:27<litwol|mac>when i use the dns list method will it return all of the domains or just those few i can manage?
13:27<@jed>just the ones you can touch.
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13:28<litwol|mac>What about access to lish through API ?
13:28<litwol|mac>More exactly: piping commands into lish through api ?
13:28<@jed>ssh reboot?
13:28<mwalling>litwol|mac: thats what ssh is for. also, the docs say what methods are available (and aren't available)
13:29<@jed>almost no reason to script LISH with the API now
13:29<litwol|mac>not just reboot commands. other linux commands.
13:29<mwalling>jed: io_status :P
13:29<@jed>mwalling: if you're on UML :)
13:29<mwalling>blah blah blah
13:29<@jed>litwol|mac: you don't need LISH for that
13:30<mwalling>litwol|mac: write something with twisted conch for that then
13:30<@jed>you need SSH keys on your linode, and SSH to your Linode with the command to run
13:30<litwol|mac>Okey here's what im thinking about, you tell me how you think best to approach t.
13:30<@jed>ssh run_my_job
13:30<litwol|mac>never mind you just answered it
13:30<@jed>you can configure that very safely
13:30<litwol|mac>So yeah, i was hoping to bundle common jobs with my custom linode manager module and be able to pipe them through linode API
13:31<erikh>unless you really, really, really like TCL
13:31<erikh>that'd be a good reason to script LISH
13:31<erikh>(and also a reason to get your head checked)
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13:32<atourino>urmom bundles my job
13:33<atourino>or something
13:33<litwol|mac>which brings me to a feature request: ability for linode owners create custom linode api methods: linode.user.custom.[my method], dump SH/perl/whatever script into the text box. when method is requested through api it will execute that script on the linode specified.
13:33<atourino>Im really stretching that one
13:34<litwol|mac>jed: can you do sanity check on the idea above ?
13:35<JshWright>litwol|mac: the api lets you push SSH keys, so you can script whatever you want
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13:35<d-b>sorry about that guys :)
13:35<litwol|mac>JshWright: hmm. sec trying to understand.
13:35<mwalling>litwol|mac: the hosts cant see the insides of the linodes unless the linodes are shut down
13:35<d-b>@* -> was fscking gdm
13:35<d-b>GDM FAIL!
13:36<bryan007>i win
13:36<d-b>mikegrb: shut up
13:36<mwalling>litwol|mac: at that point, you might as well just ssh to the guest
13:37<JshWright>Use the API to setup the node however you want (config profile, disk images, distro deploy, etc), then push SSH keys, then SSH into thentinue your automated deployment
13:37<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
13:37<litwol|mac>mwalling: i am trying to solve the "mass management" problem. When i have a ton of boxes its hard to manage them all. yes i can set them up with a script that will tunnel my commands to all the linodes, but that requires me to specially set it up. instead i was trying to reduce the big problem down to a single "manage everything on mass scale through linode api"
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13:37<mwalling>litwol|mac: you know that ssh can execute commands, not just start a shell, right?
13:38<litwol|mac>i know
13:38<mwalling>litwol|mac: the linode api manages linodes.
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13:38<randallman>for i in $THEHOSTS
13:39<litwol|mac>i know
13:39<randallman>ssh -l $user $i sudo doit!
13:39<litwol|mac>i wanted to do all of that through web
13:39<litwol|mac>i am writing custom linode manager as a drupal module
13:39<litwol|mac>So i'm trying to figure out just how far i can push this thing
13:43<mwalling>why cant you just execute ssh from your drupal module
13:43<mwalling>doesnt PEAR have a more ssh module anyway?
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13:45<litwol|mac>quite possible. i was exploring options that minimize dependencies first.
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13:45<@mikegrb>npmr: ping?
13:47<atourino>wrong window
13:47<straterra>mwalling: Not that you use it..but .Net 3.5 has a new..and very efficient way to deal with XML that isn't DOM or that other method I was looking at
13:47<npmr>mikegrb, hi
13:47<straterra>linq is what its called
13:48<@mikegrb>npmr: imma need you to try to connect to lish via keys
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13:49<npmr>no workie
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13:49<npmr>and i can still get into 184
13:49<npmr>(with keys)
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13:50<npmr>i imagine i could probably start my linode on 184 via lish as well
13:50<npmr>but that would be bad
13:50<@mikegrb>interestingly your user doesn't exist on 170
13:50<@mikegrb>it's 175, t/hee
13:51<npmr>lpm says dallas170
13:51<@mikegrb>yeah wrong screen, sorry ;)
13:51<npmr>is there any way i can see what host i'm on from within my linode?
13:52<@mikegrb>don't believe so with xen
13:52<npmr>/proc/cpuinfo used to do that for me on uml
13:52<@jed>not with xen, sadly
13:52<chris>You kids and your xen
13:52<npmr>a tradegy
13:52<chris>When I was your age linode was just starting out, and we had 4 hosts and we liked it
13:52<npmr>chris, yeah, well, my linode is as old as yours
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13:53<chris>npmr: oh right, you used to be uhhh something that started with an I?
13:54<npmr>and back in those days i would have kicked you already
13:54<chris>Don't deny me the chance to make a crotchety comment
13:54<atourino>you guys are going senile
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13:55<@mikegrb>npmr: can try again on 170?
13:56<npmr>ok, so, i'm in
13:56<npmr>but it says my linode's not running
13:56<npmr>i am most definitely ircing from my RUNNING linode
13:56<@mikegrb>it saw the home directory existed and aborted before creating your user
13:56<atourino>quick! catch it!
13:56<atourino>it's running away
13:56<npmr>can you make a quick check and see which host i'm actually on?
13:56<@mikegrb>yeah, that looks for the linode console
13:56<Pryon>atourino: do you have Prince Albert in a can?
13:56<@mikegrb>but the console is normally ran as your user and your user didn't exist
13:57<npmr>ok, sooo....?
13:57<npmr>now what?
13:57<@mikegrb>now press enter?
13:57<mwalling>now press urmom
13:57<atourino>hmm just heard a swoosh sound as the reference goes over his head
13:57<bd_>npmr: actually, there is a way
13:57<npmr>i got reattached to a blank screen
13:58<bd_>npmr: load$lishusername, look at linData->host->host
13:58<@mikegrb>yeah it didn't have any output from before
13:58<npmr>ok, so now my getty is printing crap
13:58<bd_>and there's your host :)
13:58<bd_>works on both UML and Xen
13:58<@mikegrb>the getty crap was me <3
13:58<npmr>we have a winner!
13:58<@mikegrb>and the access to old hosts stuff should finally go away now
13:58<npmr>bd_, for certain definitions of "within"
13:58<Pryon>atourino: It's in the same vein of prank phone call shenanigans as "Is your refrigerator running?"
13:59<npmr>bd_, mine is stricter
13:59<bd_>npmr: what do you mean?
13:59<mwalling>bd_: he wont know the linode id
13:59<mwalling>or somethign like that prolly
13:59<mwalling>i'm ass-uming
13:59<npmr>bd_, is not "within" my linode
13:59<bd_>npmr: Oh, well, it's close enough >.>
13:59<atourino>Pryon: ok. I will try to come up with fresh stuff! :D
14:00<bd_>Your host's not "within" your linode either
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14:00<atourino>tough crowd this one... sheesh
14:00<npmr>bd_, on a uml linode "grep ^host: /proc/cpuinfo" got you your host
14:00<npmr>bd_, that's *within*
14:01<straterra>Any of you do any work with EDI stuff?
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14:01<erikh>straterra: used to, what's the q?
14:01<bd_>npmr: indeed. I suppose the solution for this would be for linode to expose such metadata through xenstore
14:01<straterra>I have these two different kind of EDI..documents.. JIT and..something else
14:02<npmr>mikegrb, so we're square now?
14:02<straterra>I'm looking at the XML for the other one...and..its 61 pages long..and a LOT of it is repeated
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14:02<npmr>mikegrb, i can still log into dallas184
14:02<straterra>like excessively
14:02<Pryon>Be there or be a parallelpiped
14:02*bd_ tries enabling xen debugfs to see if there's anything useful there
14:05<npmr>bd_, in my recent experience with moving between hosts, the lpm's idea of where my linode should be running and where it is actually running have not always been the same, and so a strict definition of "within" is rather important
14:05<bd_>it definitely seems like a reasonable thing to add
14:06<bd_>could be as simple as passing it in the kernel command line and leaving you to parse it out of /proc/cmdline - but that won't work on pv-grub
14:06<atourino>the concept of within is really important in urmom joke contexts as well
14:06<exor674>heh >_< disclaimer: this is probably a very bad idea! -- ping all the hosts in your DC a few times, and whichever has the lowest pingtime is yours (not sure if that'd WORK either)
14:07<mwalling>you dont know all the hosts any more though... they disabled axfr on the zone
14:09<JshWright>Great... now I need to come up a project to justify trying out Tornado...
14:09<bd_>mwalling: We know their numbering scheme, so just iterating over them is straightforward enough
14:12<TheJoe>In case anyone cares, Microsoft have opened up new jobs to build up a Windows 8 team.
14:12<TheJoe>Just so you know.
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14:13<mwalling>bd_: then you waste time on retired hosts
14:14<mwalling>JshWright: GAE fail
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14:15<JshWright>*pfft* I like Google and all, but I have no need for GAE
14:17<mwalling>its a 500 error
14:17<bd_>mwalling: you can issue ARPs for all of them in parallel ;)
14:17<JshWright>mwalling: not for me it's not
14:17<erikh>nmap -P0 is likely a suitable substitute
14:18<mwalling>JshWright: its not now that it smacked my upstream proxy
14:18<mwalling>erikh: itym -sP?
14:18<erikh>maybe; -P0 is a scan without an icmp check
14:18<npmr>erikh, assuming they're confined to contiguous address space
14:18<erikh>npmr: that's what broadcast addresses are for
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14:32<linbot>New news from forums: Baseline cpu usage: latest 2.6 stable vs in Performance and Tuning <>
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14:40*Daevien starts planning ot be sick November 15th. full inventory of the store. ick.
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14:56<Lucent>just looks like the new kernel is rounding
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14:59<TheJoe> Test of the new Ares rocket in 90 seconds
15:00*silverblade re-reads that
15:02<TheJoe>Took out a camera
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15:03<TheJoe>lol it's *on* fire
15:03<TheJoe>Or at least something is
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15:05<erikh>generally propulsion systems do that
15:05<erikh>you know, catch fire
15:05<d-b>mikegrb: seriously LAME
15:06<JshWright>d-b: you do really that's a script, right?
15:06<d-b>JshWright: i KNOW
15:06<d-b>that's why im complaining
15:06<SelfishMan>what's up with ns3?
15:07<JshWright>d-b: if it really bugs you that much, you can always complain to his boss
15:07<SelfishMan>And why are all of them refusing to answer using UDP?
15:08<silverblade>it is quite annoying but it gets you out the habit of lol'ing and rofl'ing very quickly
15:08<silverblade>ie, laughing at things that arent actually THAT funny
15:08<silverblade>when they are funny, he laughs with you
15:12<atourino>so why is it that things are on fire? wouldn't the fire be on the thing?
15:12<JshWright>technically, neither
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15:15<JshWright>when you can see flames around a solid object, it's gases that that are burning, not the solid itself
15:15<JshWright>so, technically we should say it's "under fire" (but I think the military already has dibbs on that one)
15:17<JshWright>the technical name for the process is pyrolysis
15:18<megatron27_>random question: if you know a group of people who got laid off, would you think it's overly opportunistic to over them jobs?
15:18<JshWright>heck no
15:19<emag>megatron27_: if you were a random person who got laid off, would you think it opportunistic for someone you knew to offer you a job?
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15:19<megatron27_>I personally would find it a little insulting.
15:19<stan_theman>I think it depends if it's a job or a "valuable business opportunity" selling cosmetics, etc.
15:20<JshWright>stan_theman: what happened to your +v?
15:20<megatron27_>the company I work for just went through is first round of lay offs
15:20<megatron27_>I wasn't affected
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15:20<megatron27_>34 employees in total
15:22<vuf>so, when deciding on a MaxClients for Apache, which number from ps/top *really* reflects the RAM used by each process?
15:22<Daevien>yyay, internal corporate network crapped itself.. cash registers, debit machines, printers, etc all borked :p
15:22<stan_theman>too mouthy :D. I don't know
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15:26<litwol|mac>I'm looking at user management edit user grants page and i have a few qeustions:
15:27<litwol|mac>Can some one explain me the point of having "access" and "remove" permissions ?
15:27<litwol|mac>For example if some one has the permission to remove a linode/dns, but has no permission to "access" it, what will happen ?
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15:28<@caker>litwol|mac: they can remove it and that's it.
15:28<litwol|mac>What if i have just "access" without "remove", that means i cant remove it?
15:28<litwol|mac>"access" is described as "ability to manage"
15:29<litwol|mac>So "manage" does not imply ability to remove.
15:30<litwol|mac>by the way, hey caker :)
15:31<litwol|mac>caker: do you have a moment? i wanted to bounce few ideas against you as well as make a request with regards to
15:31<@caker>go for it
15:32<@jed>actually caker, that reminds me, I was going to bring that up with you
15:32<@jed>litwol|mac: if you're going toward "can haz that bandwidth XML thing in the API instead", I was going to ask caker about that but I keep forgetting
15:32<litwol|mac>In light of linode API 2.0 release, i started working on an open source linode manager module for drupal that makes it easy for linode owners to manage many linodes with ease, greater ease than currently possible on
15:34<litwol|mac>caker: multi-tiered manager ACL (which doesnt exist on right now, etc etc.
15:35<litwol|mac>I want the module to be as easy to use as possible, with least amount of setup (or none if possible). for that reason i want to ask you to expose BW usage to API so users dont have to setup any special proxy scripts on server to make bw usage visible outside of the linode's IP
15:36<litwol|mac>jed: by the way, i found this forum post that needs to be updated as well :
15:36<@caker>it will be moved into the api, but sufficiently cached or updates delayed enough to discourage polling for graph generation
15:36<litwol|mac>jed: [linodeUsername] => [linodeID]
15:36<litwol|mac>caker: yes, that is perfectly fine.
15:37<litwol|mac>caker: i only need the XML data. i was going to graph it against google charts anyway.
15:37<litwol|mac>caker: also, i plan my module to cache things anyway, and retrieve on delay or only when adminitrative action was performed or an explicit flush executed.
15:37<mwalling>can we just have the RRAs?
15:38<litwol|mac>What does rra stand for ?
15:38<mwalling>round robin archive
15:38<mwalling>its the database format used by rrdtool, which is used to generate the statistics
15:38<mwalling>er, graphs
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15:39<litwol|mac>caker: well good to know that it is going to be exposed. Could you shed some light on the ETA?
15:39<@caker>I make no promises :)
15:40<litwol|mac>Its a much requested feature (among many i'm sure, but still...)
15:41<Lucent>i wish i could get rrdcollect working
15:41<Lucent>that was an utter failure on ubuntu
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15:47<d-b> Lucent was rrdcollect broken ?
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15:48<Lucent>d-b, i suck at ubuntu, but i could not get it to do anything out of the box or even with some config
15:48<Lucent>and there's very little documentation on it
15:49<d-b>Lucent: try collectd
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15:49<Lucent>will do, thanks
15:53<Lucent>man, the apt-get one is 4.4.2 and the latest is 4.7.2
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15:57<silverblade>build from source \o/
15:57<Lucent>pout, then i can't take advantage of all the auto-update stuff
15:58<silverblade>if its aleady 3 minor versions behind, its not exactly updated ;)
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16:12<@jed>anyone else notice google's enormous search box?
16:13<nessenj>yeah, thats a few feature
16:13<mwalling>holy shit it got bigger
16:13<mwalling>its like bing sized now
16:13<tarpman>the buttons are bigger, too
16:14<tarpman>like windows 7, trying to make it easier for touch users?
16:14<silverblade>because the future of technology is all about touching...
16:15<silverblade>maybe someone had an accident with their CSS and made everything 150%
16:17<Lucent>i don't think it's the author's business to mess with the default font size, that's the user or user agent's responsibility
16:17<litwol|mac>caker: linode resources (dns, domains, linodes, users) IDs, do they pull from the same auto_increment field or does each resource have own UUID ? (meaning to ask whether there is a chance of different resource (dns + linode) having the same ID) ?
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16:18<raistlinthewiz>hey guys is there a problem within newark? my machines powered of..
16:18<@jed>raistlinthewiz: not that we're aware of
16:18<@jed>check your job history -- is there a shutdown in there?
16:19<raistlinthewiz>i have 2 seperate machines
16:19<@jed>linode username?
16:19<raistlinthewiz>both turned off
16:19<litwol|mac>jed: Perhaps you will know answer to the question i asked above ?
16:19<raistlinthewiz>ah saw it my credit cart refused :D
16:20<@jed>there you go
16:20<raistlinthewiz>i had a new card the old one expired
16:20<raistlinthewiz>anyway thanks
16:20<@jed>Make a Payment tab will fix it
16:20<@jed>np :)
16:20<@jed>litwol|mac: IDs will be unique within their class -- domainID, linodeID, etc, are unique to themselves
16:21<@jed>but there could be a domainID 666 and a linodeID 666
16:21<litwol|mac>Ok thx.
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16:24<raistlinthewiz_>pff i have paid "Payment. Thank you" but i cant still accessmy linodes
16:24<raistlinthewiz_>should i wait?
16:24<@caker>one sec
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16:25<erikh>oh yeah, that reminds me, I need to change my cc
16:25<erikh>now that i'm a fancy-pants east coaster
16:26*Pryon puts a cold drink on erikh
16:26<erikh>Pryon: hahaha!
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16:28<litwol|mac>So in user manager edit grant page... User can have "add domains using dns manager" permission. Does that user gain "All privs" on THAT domain that he adds?
16:28<@caker>litwol|mac: yes
16:29<@caker>raistlinthewiz_: try now
16:29<raistlinthewiz_>yes its ok now
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16:32<erikh>(in an unrelated note, i had to type this to get any meaningful results from google: "cyrus manager reset password -miley")
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16:33<Pryon>"Forgive my indignation if this message comes to you as a surprise."
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16:34<Pryon>At least they've stopped wishing me "top of the morning"
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16:36<r3z>Anyone have their linux boxes integrated into AD for authentication?
16:38<erikh>you mean via nsswitch?
16:39<erikh>I assume you could do it well enough with the nss_ldap/pam_ldap libraries
16:40<r3z>I have it working
16:40<emag>r3z: some, using centrify, but you'll need a windows box for some component or other, and enough privs to create entities in AD. and that's about all i know, other than it's just more nsswitch entries (i've personally avoided it until i get said privs)
16:40<r3z>I want to restrict access to the server via groups in AD.
16:40<r3z>I dont want any random user to be able to log in lol
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16:42<erikh>r3z: yeah, you can accomplish all of that with some specialized ldap searches, as long as the nss_ldap lib plays nice
16:42<r3z>That might work
16:42<erikh>I've done nss/pam_ldap before with openldap, and it works well enough
16:42<erikh>be sure not to lock yourself out though.
16:44<erikh>holy crap kolab is a giant turd
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16:51<linbot>Twayne: Yo momma's so ignorant, She tried to set up a server running MS-DOS. (759:1/0) [rummo]
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16:56<purrdeta>!urmom vote up 759
16:56<linbot>purrdeta: Voted 759 up [rmumo]
16:57*bryan007 slaps linbot around a bit with a large trout
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17:01<kenichi>iirc, you have to boot DOS to start NetWare, no?
17:01<SelfishMan>!urmom netware
17:01<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so outta this world she's yo daddy too. (769:0/0) [umrmo]
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17:02<chesty>kenichi: submit a ticket to have it corrected
17:03<d-b>!urmom chesty
17:03<linbot>d-b: Yo momma's so stupid, she thought Conflicker was real! (771:0/0) [oummr]
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17:05<linbot>JoeK: Yo momma's so clumsy, she tore her POSIX ACL! (750:4/2) [rmmuo]
17:06<randallman>fudge - anyone ever tried to get padl's nss_ldap and pam_ldap working on Solaris 10
17:06<randallman>what a MESS...
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17:06<randallman>need both 32 bit and 64 bit bins, since half of solaris 10 is sparcv7 and half sparcv9 :)
17:06<randallman>Need to use openldap ldap implementation and ergo openssl and sasl
17:06<randallman>all of which I'd like to do static for both 32 and 64 bit
17:07*Daevien buys randallman a biiig bottle of advil
17:07<JoeK>!urmom vote up 750
17:07<linbot>JoeK: Voted 750 up [mmrou]
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17:10<Pryon>JoeK: you ever get that apt problem sorted?
17:10<randallman>and solaris's default sasl libs doesnt define LDAP_SASL_QUIET
17:11<JoeK>Pryon: nope :x
17:11<Daevien>my solaris experience is pretty limited, keep saying one of these days i'll get around to learning it better but havent yet
17:11<r3z>Any pam experts around?
17:11<randallman>Daevien, too late :)
17:12<Daevien>course, i also kind of want a mac as well as a bunch of other stuff :p
17:12<Daevien>ive got 1 fully functional and one mostly functional iris indigo's, with two 20" monitors
17:13<randallman>They didn't die yet? :p
17:13<randallman>Apparently not :0
17:13<randallman>SUSE or Redhat... hmm :0
17:14<r3z>Didnt RH buy SGI?
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17:14<randallman>So they are all itanium now.. hmm
17:14<r3z>Hrm. Guess not.
17:15<randallman>Hmm no, wait that was 2006 :P
17:15<Daevien>sgi got bought out a while back and someone uses the name and does some of the same stuff
17:15<randallman>now they are Xeon :)
17:15<randallman>wow delisted from NYSE in 2005 :0
17:15<randallman>so they did 'die' so to speak :)
17:15<randallman>SUNW made it longer muhahahaha
17:16<randallman>Reading it now :)
17:16<Daevien>the indigo's are old, ie: early 90s
17:16<randallman>Wow they went chapter 11 again this year
17:16<randallman>So basically they make PCs now :p
17:17<randallman>what a huge fall from power
17:17<randallman>They used to be the leaders in massive computing and number crunching excersises... wow
17:17<Daevien>well another company bought the sgi name and dropped their ol dname basically.. they had been making servers i think before
17:18<Daevien>the sgi's i have are old old old.. but still function ;)
17:18<randallman>big endian, right?
17:18<Daevien>indigos had a lot of graphics power, used in render farms for like jurrasic park, etc
17:18<randallman>(what a weird processor line... with both a big endian and little endian CPU)
17:18<Daevien>the functional one i have has the elan video & junk
17:18<randallman>I set one up as a webserver
17:18<randallman>with netscape fasttrack (2.0)
17:19<Daevien>384mb of ram i think.. not bad for like what, 91? :p
17:19<randallman>that's dusting off the oldies :)
17:19<randallman>SGI Indy? 1991? Hmm
17:19<randallman>Perhaps not THAT old?
17:19<randallman>R10000 indigo
17:19<Daevien>The first Indigo, code-named "Hollywood", was introduced on 22 July 1991.
17:19<randallman>that was what I was working on...
17:20<Daevien>Indigos equipped with an R4000 or R4400 processor can run IRIX 6.5 up to 6.5.22
17:20<randallman>R4000 wow
17:20<Daevien>(this is from wikipedia, sounds abotu right too, brain slightly mushy though right now, been a crazy day)
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17:20<Daevien>thnk the two i have are both 4400's
17:20<Daevien>i eve have the full faceplates, which seems to be hard to find now
17:21<randallman>Wow the R4000 was 64 bit back then
17:21<randallman>far ahead of alpha
17:21<randallman>Alpha 21064 was 1992
17:22<randallman>I used to have an old UDB
17:22<randallman>with a 166mhz alpha
17:22<Daevien>i should fire the indigo up and throw on netbsd
17:22<Daevien>it's supposed to work on it pretty well
17:22<randallman>the Alpha 21066 :) LCA4 (low cost alpha) whee :0
17:22<Daevien>id need to mirror the drive first, it's a bitch to find let alone setup the indigo irix setup these days
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17:23<randallman>irix had some WEIRDness :0
17:23<randallman>not sysvr4 like :0
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17:23<randallman>I just remmeber how hard it was to format a damned disk
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17:24<Daevien>i had an old vaxstation 3100 i think it was too
17:24<Daevien>gave it away to some nerds from the local college when i moved to texas for a while
17:25<Daevien>had some other dec stuff too, gave it all away to any of the students that wanted it :p
17:25<Daevien>think there was at least one alpha in the bunch
17:25<randallman>WOW old school - Im editing config.h :p
17:25<randallman>lord help us now
17:25<randallman>autoconf fail++
17:26<randallman>now if I can remember how to get gcc to make sparcv9 bins
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17:28<linbot>New news from forums: Proper Web Hosting Permissions Setup in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
17:30<randallman>gcc -mcpu=v9 -m64 -o helloworld helloworld.c
17:31<randallman>./ ELF 64-bit MSB dynamic lib SPARCV9 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped
17:33<randallman>not sure why solaris decided to leave the mixed 32/64 environment like it did
17:33<randallman>ps, ls, etc.. are 32 bit
17:34<randallman>and they are wrappers for 64 bit bins
17:38<randallman>OH MAN, cert8.db - kill me now
17:39<d-b>randallman: whats this ?
17:39<randallman>Nothing really, me whining :)
17:39<d-b>mikegrb: YOU FAIL AT IRC
17:39<randallman>Dude, he has a script
17:39<d-b>randallman: i know
17:39<randallman>when you say things like rofl and lol :)
17:39<randallman>aolisms :p
17:39<d-b>randallman: he pisses me off / it
17:39<randallman>L O L used to be *absolutely* off limits on IRC
17:40<d-b>randallman: erh ?
17:40<randallman>it was like AOL users coming onto IRC for the first time
17:40<randallman>going back to the early to mid 90s
17:40<d-b>randallman: i prefer lulz
17:40<d-b>"for the lulz"
17:40<randallman>Well either way, it is a carry over from the elitism on IRC :)
17:41<randallman>IRC vs. AOL ''chat rooms'' :P
17:41<vuf>is this the right Perl for getting the www-data uid? or is there a better way? [ getpwnam('www-data') ]->[2]
17:44<randallman>nice ok it works!
17:44<randallman>nss_ldap on solaris wehe!
17:45<Daevien>whya re you torturing yourself anyway?
17:45<randallman>we have a bunch of sun crap
17:45<randallman>including a green screen app
17:45<randallman>which all 1500 users in our company use (give or take)
17:46<randallman>running in business basic which is actually a java interpreter
17:46<randallman>for business basic :)
17:46<randallman>Ironicly called 'Business Basic Java'
17:46<randallman>Used to run on a sequent :)
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17:48<Daevien>are you only in the s&m as a profession or hobby too? just curious
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17:52<Daevien>anyway, i'm running away now.. been off work for like 30 mins, boss & i were supposed to setup a shit ton of routers tonight, thats why i had to stay late.. but he fucked off cause he didn't want to stay so told me to go home too in the end
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18:04<groulder>is anyone aware of a tool or a site that i can use to download an flv from a fox business site?
18:04<groulder>manager desperately wants
18:05<megatron27>groulder: are you on Linux?
18:05<megatron27>sometimes this works, buffer the entire video and then go to /tmp
18:06<megatron27>that works for Youtube at least
18:06<tierra>there's at least a couple different FF extensions that can rip out FLV files from any site
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18:18<Pryon>friggin' hail
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18:19<Lucent>i've beenm trying to extract a video from for months
18:19<Lucent>some streaming something
18:25<BarkJr>the latest version of hamachi doesn't work with linux anymore :(
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18:45*silverblade eats ruby on rails
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18:47<kenichi>are you going to poop merb?
18:48<silverblade>whats that
18:48<mwalling>isnt it part of RoR?
18:48<mwalling>liek the server or dbi or somethinng?
18:49<orudie>mwalling, hi
18:49<silverblade>not heard of it
18:49<silverblade>i just found the most pointless thing in the mongrel_cluster init script - it has a "USER" variable, which chowns a directory, but does nothing with it
18:51<Karrde>SuSE 9's /etc/init.d/sshd sets SSHD_BIN, uses it once, then in five subsequent places specifies /usr/sbin/sshd instead
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18:57<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Install the Cherokee Web Server on Debian 5.0 (Lenny) <> || Django with Apache on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) <>
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19:06<quellhorst>how long does it take for the reverse ptr to update with linode?
19:06<HoopyCat>quellhorst: up to 24 hours, but sometimes faster.
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19:07<smith>any linode employees available? my vps is down
19:08<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
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19:08<bd_>Tickets are the 'official' way of reaching staff, but people may be able to help you troubleshoot here.
19:08<bd_>What host is it on?
19:08<bd_>Which one specifically?
19:08<bd_>And can you get into lish?
19:08<smith>cant login to find out
19:09<bd_>You can't log into
19:09<smith>my linode login is not working it says...
19:09<bd_>it's that day of the month
19:09<mwalling>bd_: they dont disable loginns, how would you pay then
19:09<smith>Log in from unverified IP address
19:09<bd_>mwalling: oh
19:09<mwalling>smith: then check your email and verify the address?
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19:10<smith>no idea where it sent it
19:10<HoopyCat>smith: it'll send an e-mail to your e-mail address (probably the same place you got the invoice 10 days ago)
19:10<mwalling>what HoopyCat said
19:10<smith>hrm that email address in on the server thats down
19:10<bd_>Bad idea :/
19:11<linbot> <-- push it. now.
19:11<mwalling>you can also call them tomorrow during EDT businness hours
19:11<smith>weird that all of a sudden i need to verify my ip
19:11<bd_>smith: Your home IP changed
19:12<smith>never done that before
19:12<BarkJr>would it hurt if I added @ before all my NS records?
19:12<mwalling>smith: when they started the ip verification thing, they seeded the DB with recent ip addresses
19:13<mwalling>smith: the feature is disableable from your "my profile" page (after you get your account resolved)
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19:19<smith>thanks mwalling
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19:21<Karrde>... hello?
19:22<bd_>550 Bad hostname
19:22<@pparadis>551 bad bd_
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19:23<bd_>pparadis: scroll up for smith needing assistance with an account email change
19:24<Smark>Any word on Ubuntu 10?
19:25<Smark>yes 10.04...
19:25<jtsage>bout 4 months or so i think. itsn't it a 6mo cycle?
19:25<Smark>whatever the 10.x series is
19:25<bd_> UI freeze was today
19:25<Smark>thanks bd_
19:26<jtsage>wow. what month is this? :)
19:26<Smark>Feels like it just turned 2009
19:26<Smark>I almost still have to make myself write "09" for the date instead of 08
19:26*pparadis always writes 2009 ;)
19:27<@pparadis>no Y2K bugs for me, no siree!
19:27<Smark>well 2009/09 whatever
19:27<Smark>yeah yeah... Also, its 9.10 not 10.x
19:27<Smark>seems odd
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19:28<Smark>I still have some Hoary CDs around
19:28<jtsage>it does feel like 9.04 just happened
19:29<Smark>Is there any advantage to redeploying the next major release rather than doing apt-get dist-upgrade?
19:29<Karrde>more work
19:30<Smark>but performance wise?
19:30<tarpman>for 9.10? you'll get ext4 and grub2 only if you redeploy
19:30<tarpman>those aren't begin pushed out via dist-upgrade (afaik)
19:30<tarpman>also, being**
19:30<Smark>just looking toward the future is all...
19:31<Nivex>is Linode going to support ext4? a kernel with ext4?
19:31<Nivex>at present I'm kind of doubting it
19:31<tarpman>don't the linode kernels already support ext4?
19:31<tarpman>I thought all that was missing was the disk tool letting you make ext4 filesystems
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19:32<bd_>2.6.18 does not support ext4 :)
19:33<HoopyCat>with :-)
19:33<bd_>df -h
19:33<bd_>errr wrong window
19:33<tarpman>bd_: yeah, I'm talking about the non-ancient ones
19:33<bd_>tarpman: oh, sure
19:33<tarpman>bd_: /dev/sda2 9.2G 426M 8.3G 5% /
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19:34<bd_>tarpman: only problem is the hosts are running ancient ones, and for certain operations (reset password etc) I believe they mount the image directly
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19:34<tarpman>ah, makes sense
19:34<bd_>it's fixable by domUing all such operations (which I think is a good idea from a security perspective as well) but I don't know if they've actually done it yet
19:34<bd_>and it probably touches enough operations that they'd be wary about jumping in too fast
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19:36<tarpman>haven't tried but you could probably make a raw-image and format that as ext4 from finnix or w/e
19:36<tarpman>but yeah, then you'd lose those nice features
19:36<quellhorst>anyone using the API to spawn up new app servers durring the day, and shut them off at night?
19:36<bd_>quellhorst: linode billing is at day resolution, so that wouldn't be worth it
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19:39<jtsage> words fail me.
19:39<quellhorst>wonder if it even makes sense to make a server infrastrucure up to automatically spawn instances if there is high demand
19:40<jtsage>(found at the bottom of a crappy blog i was reading, fwiw)
19:40<tarpman>looks greasy.
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19:41<bd_>no memory allocations cited, full root access but firewall rule count and 'domain count' are limited... wtf?
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19:41<jtsage>bd - the firewall rule limit was indeed my favorite part - well spotted :)
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19:42<jtsage> thats the parent company's vpses. a little steep, but it does give a few more details
19:43<bd_>Their site requires JS :(
19:43<bd_>I guess openVZ limits firewall rule count to limit how much kernel memory you can consume?
19:44<bd_>Bandwidth: No charge <-- 10mbit I suppose? >.>
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19:45<jtsage>doesn't say anywhere that i've seen
19:46<bd_>hit plan comparisons
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19:47<jtsage>aye, saw that bit. i was reading about the 'add-ons' they can do. heh.
19:52<jtsage>they can manage your windows web server for $300/mo. wowie.
19:52<HoopyCat>that's about where i'd price it, yeah
19:53<jtsage>heh. fair enough
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20:04<linbot>JoeK: Yo momma's so slow, she still hasn't finished FreedroidRPG! (747:0/0) [ommur]
20:04<linbot>JoeK: Yo momma's so adjective, she verbed an adjective noun! (787:0/2) [mmruo]
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20:17<Smark>If I want to use a partition and store all my /home directories in it, along with several other folders outside of home (/var/svn/, /var/spool/, or something), should I still mount it in /home?
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20:17<mwalling>`mount -o bind` is an amazing thing
20:17<bob2>yeah, then bind mount
20:18<Smark>how does that work?
20:18<bob2>or symlink (ghetto)
20:18<Smark>mount it in different places?
20:18<bob2>mount -o bind /somedir/ /someotherplace/
20:18<bob2>now the contents of 'somedir' is visible in two places
20:18<Smark>i got that part, but what does it actually do?
20:19<Smark>ok, so should I mount my drive as /content and then have /content/home and /content/svn and just mount -o bind them?
20:19<mwalling>thats what i'd do
20:19<Smark>ok, cool, that makes sense
20:20<Smark>is it mount -o bind source dest, or other way around?
20:20<bob2>'man mount' -> 'bind mounts'
20:20<mwalling>what bob2 said
20:21<Smark>and I can do this stort of stuff in fstab too right?
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20:21<linbot>JoeK: Yo mamma's so ugly, straterra had to chloroform HIMSELF! (797:6/0) [mrmuo]
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20:22<bob2>Smark: in da man page
20:23<Smark> or fstab entry is:
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20:27<Lucent>how do i tell collectd to reload its config? ubuntu
20:28<bob2>same as nything
20:28<bob2>sudo invoke-rc.d blah reload
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20:31<Lucent>thanks, i didn't know that one
20:31<bob2>(if they have no 'reload' action, you'll need to 'restart')
20:31<Lucent>eek, i have two running now
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21:12<HoopyCat>... you know, i think Yaakov could be on board with that for bandwidth savings
21:15<litwol|mac>bandwidth savings ?
21:15<litwol|mac>Does that get us closer to exposing BW usage to API? then i'm on board too!
21:20<HoopyCat>xmlurl = '' + config.linode_username
21:21<HoopyCat>(where config.linode_username is the one that works for lish)
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21:22<litwol|mac>HoopyCat: why recommend the same solution over and over again when we already discussed that the request is specific to API which means bw data is accessible from outside of the linode IP access restriction.
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21:23<Bobster>any staff ere
21:24*caker raises hand
21:24<Bobster>need to speak to staff asap
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21:24<HoopyCat>litwol|mac: in theory, you have a linode that can query that for you if you ... aren't a dickface
21:25<HoopyCat>Bobster: caker is staff
21:25<Bobster>is he here
21:25*caker is invisible :(
21:25<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:25<bob2>mmm invisible cake
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21:26<BarkJr>don't worry caker, I feel the same all the time :)
21:26<Bobster>found a big security issue which need fixed asap
21:26<Bobster>need to speak to someone high up
21:26<bob2>caker is definitely the highest at linode
21:26<HoopyCat>you can't get much higher than caker
21:26<Battousai>linbot is above caker
21:27<SelfishMan>Battousai beat me to it
21:27<amitz>HoopyCat: there is always the icing :-)
21:28<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:28<amitz>always higher than cake(r).
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21:30*caker comforts Bobster
21:32<HoopyCat>caker: patching the web irc client to ignore CTCP ACTION was pure genius
21:35*SelfishMan is curious what this "big security issue" is
21:36<@caker>irc logs :)
21:38<jtsage>the goverment can read my brain waves with their laser - why do they need my irc logs too?
21:39<Nivex>SelfishMan: in my lug it's "MASSIVE SECURITY BREACH"
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21:39<SelfishMan>!urmom is a LUG
21:39<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so slow, Norton runs faster than her! (743:12/0) [ruomm]
21:39<SelfishMan>so true, so true
21:40<HoopyCat>SWINE FLU
21:40<HoopyCat>err, sorry, too many Course Information Sheets this week
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21:51*Nivex is really tired of OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
21:51<Nivex>non-stop since 2001. only thing that changes is what's gonna kill us
21:52<HoopyCat>... 2001?
21:52<amitz>flying spaghetti monster..
21:52<jtsage>i. for one, refuse to blame a disease named after such and extrodinarily tasty animal
21:52<mavrevmatt>can anyone offer any suggestions on tuning mysql?
21:52<HoopyCat>Nivex: did you mean 2001 BC?
21:53<HoopyCat>jtsage: mmm smoked and cured H1N1
21:53<amitz>pig is good, all the time!
21:53<jtsage>i had an omelet today called the 'meat lovers dream'. copious amounts of ham, bacon, and sausage. it was lovely
21:53<HoopyCat>mavrevmatt: if you're running debian or ubuntu, check /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/examples/ for a few good example configs for various memory situations
21:54<mavrevmatt>HoopyCat, im not. running centos. Thanks for your suggestion nevertheless.
21:55<HoopyCat>mavrevmatt: oof. well, there's probably something similar in there either under /usr/share or /usr/doc... whereever packages normally install their documentations
21:55<amitz>I just realized that many "meat lover" don't involve chicken..
21:55<Yaakov>I am not vulnerable to getting swine flu because I never eat pork.
21:55<mavrevmatt>HoopyCat, alright, i'll check it out. thanks!
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21:56<HoopyCat>mavrevmatt: if worse comes to worse, look for my-small.cnf ... that's one of the files in there. :-)
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21:56<HoopyCat>Yaakov: if eating pork had anything to do with catching swine flu, i'd be dead right now
21:56<amitz>Yaakov: maybe you're vulnerable because you don't eliminate those vector of transmission around you:-p
21:56*HoopyCat snorts a line of bacon salt
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21:57<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I am very sad to hear of your death.
21:57<Yaakov>Baconsalt is 100% pig-free.
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21:57*amitz is reminded to his birth town, where no wild dog exists because the local people like dogs..
21:58<chesty>you mean likes to eat dogs?
21:58<amitz>chesty: let me pull the reference.
21:58<HoopyCat>there's a cat in the kettle at the peking moon, the place we go for lunch every day at noon
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21:58<bob2>the spoondle flies at midnaught
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22:00<amitz>HoopyCat: now cat, I haven't tasted it yet.
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22:00<chesty>tastes like chicken
22:01<jtsage>mmm. i'll reserve judgement. end product is all that matters to me. although, i do prefer that my food has neither a face (anymore), or a name
22:01<amitz>chesty: oh, but the meat is more "inflexible"? I forget the righ word.
22:02<amitz>jtsage: I probably know the feeling since the my wife has that kind of tendency.
22:03<jtsage>amitz- tough or gamey is probably what you're looking for. so is venison (deer) if the person preparing it didn't know what they were doing.
22:04<jtsage>my theory on almost all of it is that it won't get less dead if i don't try some, so might as well
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22:05<amitz>jtsage: Interesting theory, I'll use that to convince others to eat some interesting stuff :-p. Yeah, tough.
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22:06<chesty>like whale
22:06<chesty>and dolphin, horse meat, yum
22:06<jtsage>amitz- the only thing i've ever flat out turned down is that soup like thing thats done with octopus and the ink. couldn't get over the smell to even attempt it
22:07<chesty>what about chicken fetus?
22:08<jtsage>heh. it's like a messed up version of dirty-talk.
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22:16<amitz>chesty: oh, I know that one, chicken fetus! I heard you can still feel the bone when you eat it.
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22:19<chesty>mmmmmmm, chicken lip soup, argh, arrgh, arrgh
22:20<amitz>you eat the whole chicken with the bone, just to make it clear.
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22:22<chesty>and the bowls, mmmmm, chicken shit, argh, arrgh, arrgh
22:23<amitz>chesty: chicken shit? you win! :-p
22:36<katyl>hey, thinking about migrating from a spare box to a VPS for my webpage. Was wondering if anyone had opinions to share re: linode.... I've heard a lot of good things
22:36<@caker>do it.
22:36<X-LP>do it
22:36<bob2>most people here are either customers or employees
22:37<X-LP>i wanted to say it caker =\
22:37<jtsage>katyl- i've been with a few dozen different hosting companies over the years - very recently landed on linode via a friend - nothing but love here, do it
22:37<katyl>it's the... lish... I think it was called that really made me take a closer look into it... pretty nice setup it looks like
22:37<jtsage>i actually have 2 now. failover, and a work project that needed it's own home
22:38<quellhorst>I like how with linode I can have an architecture for my site on multiple machines without the huge cost.
22:38<katyl>And the low end 20$ gig is enough for a very low traffic page + email I assume
22:39<mwalling>its pleny enough
22:39<mwalling>i do strange things with a 360
22:39<mwalling>caker: tell tasaro that i want to pay you guys btw
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22:40<quellhorst>mwalling: like what?
22:40<@caker>mwalling: done.
22:40<mwalling>caker: <3
22:40<mwalling>tasaro: <3
22:41<mwalling>quellhorst: put it this way, my current setup could downgrade to a 360 from a 540 with breathing room... thats a half dozen django fcgi's, *, mysql, jetty, my irssi instance pulls 30 megs
22:41<jtsage>katyl- i actually run a one-way 4000 email announcment list for work off of a 360 - 500Kb-2Mb e-mails, all sent individually, and dkim signed (about once a week, maybe a bit less) - it bogs down slightly towards the end, but it's still plenty of power. low traffic web is nothing next to that kind of hammering :)
22:42<katyl>fair enough... lol
22:42<mwalling>i got a guy from my lug runnninng a Zope process, ejabberd, squid...
22:42<katyl>Just never really monitored what I got before... so looking at bandwith restrictions is a little scary
22:42<mwalling>php, lighty..
22:55<quellhorst>mwalling: nice
22:56<Lucent>20k uniques a day doesn't bog down a 360 in the slighest, and that puts you in the top 2000 sites
22:57<mwalling>Lucent: that depends
22:57<Lucent>sure, if every visitors hits 3 databases, no way
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22:57<mwalling>Lucent: if you do 80 queries per page render with no cachinng and each of those queries need to do full table scans to join several tables...
22:58<quellhorst>i have a 720 right now. but thinking about breaking it out to 2 x 720 app server, 2 x 720 db (one master, one slave)
23:00<quellhorst>can irssi connect to two irc servers at once?
23:00<StevenK>quellhorst: Certainly can
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23:03<tarpman>quellhorst: /help connect
23:04<mwalling>i'm on 7
23:06<bob2>,, ...
23:06<@caker>there are 7 irc networks worth being connected to?
23:06<JoeK>where does curl install to by default
23:06<bob2>JoeK: install what to by default
23:06<@caker>JoeK: how long is a piece of string?
23:06<bob2>JoeK: what are you trying to do?
23:06*bob2 bets it is a php question
23:06<JoeK>i need to know where curl gets installed to
23:06<JoeK>its not :p
23:07<@caker>debuntu put it in /usr/bin
23:07<chesty>dpkg -L curl
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23:13<mwalling>caker: i counted bitlbee
23:13<mwalling>bitlbee, privnet, shitnode, oftc, efnet, codehaus, foonetic
23:14<cout_>caker: twice as long as half its length
23:14<Shinji|Ghosting>Aw, what's wrong with freenode?
23:14<Shinji|Ghosting>(Please submit your list in bz2 format
23:14<mwalling>Shinji|Ghosting: itym LZMA
23:15<Hobbsee>it's being stupid, and doesn't like bip
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23:15<cout_>xz > lzma
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23:30<JoeK>if i host my domain at another dns server
23:30<JoeK>how would i be able to host a subdomain on linode dns?
23:31<@caker>delegate the subdomain to our DNS Manager at your other provider (by adding NS records for the subdomain pointed to
23:31<JoeK>so like, make the subdomain with NS records to ?
23:31<@caker>add subdomain NS records to the parent zone
23:32<@caker>wait, is all you want to do is point a subdomain to your Linode's IP? If so, just add A records pointing to your Linode's IP
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23:32<JoeK>not A
23:32<JoeK>lets say i have on my own NS
23:32<JoeK>i want to make hosted on linode dns
23:32<JoeK>just the subdomain
23:33<@caker>then what I said first
23:33<JoeK>so in the dns for add (NS) to linodes?
23:34<@caker>subdomain NS <-- for ns1-4
23:35<JoeK>i think i have an idea :>
23:35<JoeK>ill try it later
23:35<JoeK>i have to decide wether to use my own email or gmail for my domain
23:45-!-drewr is now known as drewr-
23:45<Lucent>what's the proper way to make dns records without repeating the same ip over and over
23:45<Lucent>set an ip for blank and then use @ for mail. www.?
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23:46<Lucent>it'd be nice to see a screenshot of a properly set up record for a domain using the linode editor
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23:47<Lucent>like this can't be the optimal way:
23:48<jtsage>Lucent- repeating the IP is actually more optimal. an A record is a single lookup. no expansion needed (like in a cname)
23:49<jtsage>oh, good point
23:49<@caker>* IN A
23:49<@caker>but that has its own quirks...
23:49<@caker>like: resolving :)
23:50<Eman>yes, wildcard everything to meatspin or goatse
23:50<Eman>makes browsing the internet fun
23:50<jtsage>aye, i don't like em. not that i have a good reason for it, just doesn't sit right with me
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23:54<SelfishMan>!urmom gzip
23:55<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so random, she was bigger after she got gzip'd! (840:0/0) [muorm]
23:55<SelfishMan>Eman: meatspin is on a linode
23:57<SelfishMan>Well, maybe not *the* meatspin but a rip of it is
23:57<Lucent>i used wildcards for a while to support the frequent wwww.domain
23:58<Lucent>but i'm not into it now with all the canonicalization issues
23:58<Lucent>then some jerk links to wwww.domain because it worked for him
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