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---Logopened Fri Sep 18 00:00:45 2009
00:02<Keith-BlindUser>I'm not aware of a sysctl file.
00:02<jtsage>try 'man sysctl' and see if anything is listed in the "FILES" section - i don't have any idea where gentoo might keep that sort of thing
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00:02<jtsage>on debian (and ubuntu), it's /etc/sysctl.conf
00:10<mwalling>how come on newark's resolvers, 'dig any' returns a SERVFAIL?
00:11<jtsage>status: SERVFAIL SERVER:
00:12<mwalling>if i +trace it, i get the ultradns NS records
00:13*mwalling opens a ticket
00:13<mwalling>not with linode.
00:13<jtsage>aye - i see NS's here (i'm on my home machine right now)
00:14<jtsage>same at dallas
00:15<mwalling>our internal resolvers see it
00:15<mwalling>but we cheat, i have different glue records for it in here
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00:39<Keith-BlindUser>Does Gentoo have a /etc/sysctl.conf? It hought that was a BSD stile thing.
00:43<Keith-BlindUser>What does the indipendent_wallclock line in /etc/sysctlc.onf look link?
00:43<Keith-BlindUser>erm look like?
00:44<reillyeon>xen.independent_wallclock = ...
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00:48<Keith-BlindUser>xen.independent_wallclock = 0
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01:09<Keith-BlindUser>So what is the xen.independent_wallclock anyhow?
01:09<Keith-BlindUser>And how would that conflict with NTP?
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01:29<embro>I am having trouble with fast-cgi, how do I know the configure options use to compile my php?
01:30<embro>ie : was it built using --enable-fastcgi
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01:45<checkers>embreau: phpinfo
01:47<embreau>sadly I can't get php to execute... i'm getting a "bad gateway"
01:47<jtsage>Keith-BlindUser- that sysctl actually stops xen from updating the clock from the host computer iirc. If you are running ntp, the local source is more accurate, and syncing to the host is redudant and counterproductive
01:47<embreau>so I am compiling php right now, just to be sure
01:47<embreau>thanks for the hint tho, that would have worked
01:51<jtsage>embreau- make sure your fastcgi setup is calling the right php excutable too - i.e. php-cgi instead of php-cli - the cli executable won't function correctly
01:53<checkers>embreau: just run php locally then
01:53<checkers>run php, paste in your phpinfo() script, send ^D, put the output through a pager
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02:39<linbot>New news from forums: SFTP through SSH tunnel, or any alternatives? in General Discussion <>
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02:52<SD_>how do i know how much disk space i'm using?
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02:58<Smark>you SSH to your linode and type "df"
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03:02<Andrew>Or use software like webmin..
03:05<SD_>ok, thx
03:08<Talman>df -h makes it human readable.
03:13<SD_>ok, thx!
03:21<SD_>my apache2 logs are 1.4GB. is it safe to delete if i need the space?
03:26<Talman>Do you need those logs?
03:27<Talman>For analysis, etc?
03:27<Talman>If not, apache will just make new log files.
03:27*Talman uses logrotate, but has the space.
03:30<SD_>i don't really need them, at least not all of them. there are 24 access logs and 24 error logs
03:30<SD_>i guess i can just keep the latest one
03:31<Talman>Ah, yeah, you can dump your old logs, those come from logrotate.
03:32<SD_>alright, thx
03:32<linbot>New news from forums: locate .htaccess file in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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03:34<SD_>so the lower the number, the older it is right?
03:34<SD_>re: log files
03:48<SD_>i was repairing a table in mysql and my .myd file disappeared
03:49<SD_>i still have the .myi and .frm files
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03:53<bob2>SD_: 1.4GB compressed?
03:55<SD_>now i have a bigger problem. one of the tables i was repairing disppeared
03:55<linbot>New news from forums: [Solved] SFTP through SSH tunnel, or any alternatives? in General Discussion <>
03:57<namelessjon>I believe a linode account has been compromised (it was trying multiple, improbable, ssh usernames on my own linode vps). Where is the best place to report this too?
03:58<Smark>and no, its not a black hole.
03:58<namelessjon>Okay, thanks. What's best to send? relevent auth logs + a little explanation?
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04:00<bob2>that's what I've sent in the past and I've had good results
04:01<SD_>um, anyone here know what to do if during a mysql table repair, the myd file disappears?
04:02<bob2>as in all your data is gone?
04:02<Talman>Hmm, namelessjon, its not from Fremont, right? :)
04:03<SD_>myisamchk: Error on rename of '/var/lib/mysql/sinmao/node_revisions.TMD' to '/var/lib/mysql/sinmao/node_revisions.MYD' (Errcode: 2)
04:04<SD_>afterwards, the myd file is gone
04:04<SD_>and i can't find the tmd file either
04:04<SD_>is there a way to recover that file?
04:05<namelessjon>Talman: How do I tell that?
04:06<amitzz>you probably better of in #mysql. that seems like an obscure error?
04:06<bob2>probably passes through
04:06<bob2>or similar
04:06<Talman>I believe a linode account has been compromised (it was trying multiple, improbable, ssh usernames on my own linode vps). <- Do you know the hostname of the attacking linode account?
04:07<Talman>run the IP through whois, it'll note the datacenter.
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04:08<bob2>SD_: do you have backups? is the data there now (ie do queries return sensible results)?
04:08<SD_>i have a one month old backup
04:09<SD_>well, i can't even access mysql and do queries on it cuz that table is corrupt
04:09<namelessjon>Talman: Absecon, apparently.
04:09<Talman>No clue which provider that is, but its not hurricane electric, so I'm happy. :)
04:09<bob2>SD_: you might be screwed
04:10<SD_>linode doesn't have backups at all, right?
04:10<Talman>SD_, daily. Mysql. backups.
04:10<Talman>Not out of the box, no.
04:10<bob2>SD_: nope
04:10<Talman>You're required to maintain your own backup solution. I use duplicity+Amazon S3.
04:10<bob2>unless the db is ginormous, you really should at least cron a 'mysqldump'
04:11<SD_>it is. it's almost 4gb
04:11<Talman>Definately S3 time.
04:11<bob2>that's 60c of s3 space
04:11<bob2>but that'
04:11<bob2>s also < one quarter ofa 360's disk allocation
04:13<SD_>argh...there's no way to rebuild the myd file from the myi and frm files?
04:13<bob2>the myd is the data file
04:17<SD_>there's no temp directory somewhere where the tmd file might be found?
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04:27<SD_>damn, i don't feel too good now :)
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04:31<Andrew>it happens
04:44<SD_>duplicity+amazon s3 it is
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04:47<Talman>Yeah, the first time that happens, you freak out.
04:48<Talman>I do daily backups to our server at work, and to S3.
04:51<Andrew>actualluy.. I didn't read it
04:52<Talman>Hmm, where's Linode's TOS?
04:52<Talman>Need to see if there's anything in there I care about that would impact our own TOS.
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05:25<Andrew>I doubt it..
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05:33<SD_>ok, thx guys. time to sleep it off
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05:46<Talman>Yes, it was so hard. So very, very, hard.
05:47<Andrew>if you say so...
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08:16<siovene>After adding a A/AAAA record to my DNS manager, is there anything else I need to do except allow some time?
08:18<rainman`>no, i think
08:19<siovene>rainman`: ok thanks. But I think it's been half an hour now. I thought it needed 15 minutes only.
08:21<rainman`>what's the TTL?
08:21<siovene>The default.
08:22<rainman`>there's two things: (a) all nameservers have to know of the change (b) any clients that previously cached a result will wait for the TTL to expire
08:22<rainman`>no clue how long A takes in the case of linode
08:22<siovene>I guess no client cached it, since it's a new record.
08:23<siovene>Well it's ok, this is not urgent, I can wait. I just wanted to make sure I didn't have to do anything else :)
08:23<rainman`>clients also do negative caching
08:24<siovene>what is it?
08:24<rainman`>caching that a record did not exist
08:25<siovene>infact it looks like it works in my browser, even tho `host` says not found
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08:36<Yaakov>15 minutes
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08:42<rainman`>Yaakov, for step A?
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09:07<fapestniegd>step A is "cut a hole in the box"
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09:44<randallman>am, yo
09:45<warewolf>fo0bar: friends-only commenting on your journal makes it difficult for me to comment on one of your posts.
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09:52<path>hey randallman
09:53<randallman>sup dog
09:53<megatron27>Paul Graham is such a tree hugger
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09:57<Guspaz|m>Who is he?
09:58<bob2>#1 hit on google, .com millionaire and lisp afficiando
10:04<megatron27>he's the leader of a cult called ycombinator
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10:50<orudie>hi. what do short beeps at power on indicate ? and the screen is blank
10:51<tylerdu>your linode beeps? WOW
10:51<JshWright>orudie: that varies from motherboard to motherboard
10:51<orudie>lol no
10:51<orudie>its off topic
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10:51<JshWright>it could mean anything from a bad video card to memory that needs to be reseated
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10:52<JshWright>count the number of beeps and start googling
10:52<tylerdu>orudie: find manual for your MOBO type and decode beeps
10:52<atourino>I think your motherboard is trying to tell you that the end of the world is near.... but maybe Im reading way too much into it
10:52<orudie>it just keeps beeping
10:52<orudie>beep beep beep beep bepp like that
10:53<tylerdu>sounds ominous :)
10:53<Karrde>ask your motherboard manual, not us
10:53<tylerdu>we can't really know...
10:53<atourino>those beeps are standard
10:53<atourino>or should be at least
10:54<orudie>its a brand new HP
10:54<orudie>HP desktop
10:54<atourino>Repeating short beeps Power supply or system board problem
10:54<atourino>there you go
10:55<orudie>it was tested before it was shipped to me
10:55<orudie>do you think something might have happend during shipping ?
10:55<Karrde>sure why not?
10:55<atourino>normally... there is a number you can call for tech support
10:56<orudie>i'm thinking about pulling the RAM out first
10:56<atourino>if it's beeping it's because something happened
10:56<ecron>hp desktop beeping is usually memory
10:58<orudie>so if i pull the ram out
10:58<orudie>normally , should i see something on the screen without ram ?
10:58<orudie>if everything else is working
10:58<JshWright>no RAM at all would also be an error condition
10:59<JshWright>I would try reseating everything (cards, RAM, etc) and see if that resolves it. If no, call HP
11:00*atourino reseats... butt still not comfy
11:00<guinea-pig>Abort, Retry, Fail?
11:01<JshWright>I'm seated on a reasonably comfy futon at the moment
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11:06<randallman>Reasonably comfy futon eh?
11:06<randallman>Sounds like a direct contradiction :)
11:08<JshWright>randallman: it's not uncommon for futons to be comy in the eated position
11:08*randallman eating futon for lunch :)
11:09<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: dallas188 in System and Network Status <>
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11:11<randallman>o/~ And when you smile for the camera... I know I love you bettah! o/~
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11:19<Pryon>I made you a futon but I eated it
11:19<randallman>i can haz foo tawn
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11:19*path orders some futon soup
11:19<Pryon>Also I'm gonna have Steely Dan songs in my head all day now thankyouverymuch
11:19<randallman>PEG... YOU WILL COME BACK TO ME!
11:20<randallman>and drink your big black cow, and get outa here!
11:20<randallman>Because I was drinking scotch whiskey, all night long
11:20<Pryon>Is there gas in the car? Is there gas in the CAAAAAAAAAAAAAR?
11:20<randallman>heh :P
11:21<randallman>Dont forget that 'I may never walk again!'
11:21<randallman>Most do not know what Michael McDonald actually was with them on that album
11:22<Pryon>It's pretty obvious on "Peg"
11:22<randallman>Yeah I guess so
11:22<randallman>and I got the news
11:23<randallman>I actually saw them both in concert in Camden, NJ in 2k7
11:23<Pryon>same show?
11:23<randallman>McDonald opened for Sd
11:24<randallman>and then he came out and did a few numbers with SD
11:24<Pryon>that's pretty cool
11:24<randallman>You know, I am totally missing from my iPod all of the fagan solo stuff...
11:24<Pryon>Are they anywhere near as tight live as in the studio?
11:24<randallman>Tight is relative
11:24<randallman>but yes, it was a great show
11:24<randallman>I know that was Fagan's initial issue with touring at all
11:25<randallman>back in the 70's and 80's
11:25<randallman>that they couldnt be the studio band that they were...
11:25<Pryon>The production values on those albums are just *so* good.
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11:33<orudie>it was one of the ram sticks
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11:39<randallman>'RAM STICK'
11:39<randallman>'say team ram-rod'
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11:41<Guspaz|m>WTF it's Friday?
11:41<randallman>s/WTF/Hell Yeah/g
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12:30<megatron27>so what is so great about HTML5
12:30<megatron27>will it make Flash obsolete
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12:34<hyperyoda>i have some questions
12:34<hyperyoda>can someone help me?
12:34<Yaakov>Please ask.
12:34<hyperyoda>what type of uplink speed does the Linode 360 plan have?
12:34<quellhorst>anyone here looking for admin contracting work?
12:35<KingTarquin>Do I need to do anything to ssl certs when moving them from one server to another, or will I need to make them all over again?
12:35<Yaakov>hyperyoda: The machines are connected to a GigE LAN in the DC. The DC has big peering links to the backbone.
12:36<Yaakov>hyperyoda: There is a 50 megabit cap on outgoing traffic as a saftey measure, but it can be lifted if you need it (and you won't).
12:36<megatron27>KingTarquin: if your hostname changes then yeah (I think)
12:36<hyperyoda>Yaakov: oh cool
12:36<hyperyoda>Yaakov: also, do you setup reverse DNS for clients?
12:37<Yaakov>hyperyoda: I am not a Linode staffer, but each Linode gets one IP (and one more is available for purchase). The Linode Dashboard includes a facility to set the reverse DNS for the assigned IP(s).
12:37<Guspaz|m>1.21 jiggabits?!?
12:37<Yaakov>hyperyoda: The chanops here are Linode staffers.
12:38<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
12:38<hyperyoda>oh nice
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12:38<hyperyoda>i had a few more questions is that ok?
12:39<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
12:39<hyperyoda>oops heh
12:39<megatron27>your SSL certificate is usually tied to your hostname, although I think it's possible to tie it to your IP,
12:40<HoopyCat>my SSL certificate is tied to urmom
12:40<hyperyoda>Ok 1) can i install a honeypot 2) can i run a game server 3) can i run a web server 4) can i run a mail server 5) can i do penetration testing from my linode machine to my local machine 6) can i do penetration testing from my local machine to my linode machine
12:40<Guspaz|m>I think the answere to 2-6 is "yes", not sure about 1.
12:41<Guspaz|m>It might depend on what kind of honeypot; not all are strictly legal.
12:41<Yaakov>hyperyoda: If you bring evil upon Linode you will be disowned.
12:42<Yaakov>hyperyoda: You can do anything that is neither illegal nor immoral. The latter is a matter of the judgement of Linode, LLC and its asigns and has no fixed form.
12:42<Guspaz|m>Yeah, there's a three-strike policy if you get DDoS'd
12:42<Guspaz|m>For example, you can't run Windows, because that'd be immoral.
12:42<HoopyCat>hyperyoda: in general, if it's not a problem, it's not a problem. if it's not the sort of thing legislators write windy sonnets about or abuse@ mailboxes overflow with (and, of course, as long as it doesn't mess up everyone else's stuff, like attracting DDoS attacks...), it's probably going to be ok
12:42<fapestniegd>immoral to whom?
12:43<Yaakov>hyperyoda: So, anyhing you do that doesn't attract attention will... not attract attention.
12:43<@tychoish>hyperyoda: everything you've said sounds good
12:43<mwalling>!f what can i do with my linode
12:43<Guspaz|m>To Linode ;)
12:43<linbot>mwalling: What can I do with my Linode? It's probably easier to tell you what you cannot do: Nothing illegal and nothing that interferes with other customers and services. Our Terms of Service document is located here:
12:43<hyperyoda>i want to learn about security it is fascinating topic
12:43<hyperyoda>tychoish: cool!
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12:43<Yaakov>Hello, tychoish.
12:43<@tychoish>hyperyoda: don't go breaking into other people's computers, and you should be good
12:43<hyperyoda>some of my friends use linode and they told me about it
12:44<HoopyCat>hyperyoda: pick your favorite one and use their referral code. ;-)
12:44<hyperyoda>tychoish: right, i would never do that, i am only white hat hacker hehe
12:44<@tychoish>hyperyoda: awesome, just use common sense
12:44<hyperyoda>HoopyCat: ah ok
12:44<@tychoish>and you'll be fine, it's a great platform for learning
12:44<hyperyoda>thanks everyone i will be signing up today!
12:44<Guspaz|m>It's also a great platform for production environments.
12:44<hyperyoda>then i am a Linoder or a Linite? :D
12:44<hyperyoda>Guspaz: ah
12:45<Guspaz|m>I think the staff are Linoders? But what does that make us?
12:45<hyperyoda>ya lol
12:45<megatron27>their bitches
12:45<HoopyCat>linode is also an awesome dessert topping, and a most excellent floor wax
12:45<Guspaz|m>"Absolutely nothing, which is what you are about to become."
12:45<@tychoish>hyperyoda: whichever you like, though, I might laugh at you if you call yourself a "linodista"
12:45<CyriusG>Hey i wonder if you can open ports by yourself or do you have to contact the support?
12:45<Yaakov>I think caker calls us "credit cards".
12:46<Guspaz|m>CyriusG: There's no NAT/firewall involved, there are no ports to open.
12:46<CyriusG>okay, thanks might order one later today then :)
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12:46<@tychoish>hi Yaakov
12:46<hyperyoda>tychoish: haha
12:46<HoopyCat>CyriusG: all ports are open and unfiltered at linode's level, so you can do whatever you might like (except with atlanta, which blocks about a hundred choice ports upstream of linode). centos, by the way, has a firewall enabled by default.
12:47<@tychoish>HoopyCat: he's gone :/
12:47<HoopyCat>$3 says he's totally going to deploy a centos linode in atlanta and be all like "wtf why can't i connect to my ircd"
12:47<@tychoish>only three?
12:47<HoopyCat>it's one of those days
12:47<hyperyoda>HoopyCat: hehe
12:47<hyperyoda>ZOMG WHY WON'T DANCER RUN?
12:47*stan_theman is a lintern
12:47<Yaakov>tychoish: HoopyCat has a policy of only betting a maximum of half his weekly salary.
12:48<@tychoish>fair enough then,
12:48<Guspaz|m>Linerds? Linodians/Linodiens? Linoderons? Linodanians? Linoderians?
12:48<megatron27>Linitch - because we're like an itch to them
12:48<HoopyCat>speaking of which, my 15 minutes of IRCing time is up! back to doin' things
12:48<@tychoish>there used to be Linododos but they were over hunted
12:48<Guspaz|m>"Great, I'll call Linode City and notify President Caker immediately."
12:50<Yaakov>I am a FoL. Friend of Linode.
12:51<Yaakov>My kid wear Linode shirts.
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12:52<Yaakov>kids, too.
12:52<Yaakov>My S key is not behaving. I don't like that.
12:52<erikh>hit it
12:53<erikh>until it works
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12:53<erikh>works with the offshore slave labor I own, I can't imagine why it wouldn't work with a keyboard
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13:08<straterra>Yaakov: damn Fo(o)L!
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13:12<TheJoe>Blaaah - MySQL upgrades have changed my root password, oh and dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server tells me that mysql isn't installed
13:13<amitz>erikh: how do you know it works? After all, you definitely off-shored the hitting right? So you relied on what they said :-p
13:14<amitz>TheJoe: manually upgrading a mysql installed using apt.
13:14<TheJoe>amitz: sudo apt-get upgrade - yeah
13:15<TheJoe>Upgrades are supposed to be good things!
13:15*TheJoe shakes fist
13:15<Karrde>you broke it
13:15<ecron>upgrades rock
13:15<amitz>TheJoe: oh, I have no idea. But I know that certain versions have different way to store encrypted password, or something like that.
13:16<TheJoe>Ah good
13:16<TheJoe>dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0
13:16<TheJoe>Got it
13:16<TheJoe>And fixed.
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13:19<dassouki>in ispconfig, how can i set an ftp that'll access /var/www/site_1
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13:19<erikh>amitz: good point
13:20<erikh>however, if I order the beatings and work continues, I assume the state machine is true to that point
13:20*Pryon is completely ignorant of ispconfig
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13:22<dassouki>now let's say i install drupal or roundcube via apt-get ... it doesn't install it in my /var/www/ to access it do i have to do a symlink ?
13:23<tarpman>dassouki: /us/share/doc/
13:23<tarpman>dassouki: /usr/share/doc/
13:23<tarpman>dassouki: it'll vary from package to package.
13:25<dassouki>umm README suggested I read INSTALL, a file that doesn't exist in taht directory
13:25<tarpman>no README.debian ?
13:26<dassouki>root@li97-148:/usr/share/doc/roundcube# ls
13:26<dassouki>README changelog.Debian.gz changelog.gz copyright
13:27<Pryon>It's possible that there's a foo-doc package for whatever you're working on
13:27<tarpman>dassouki: how about /usr/share/doc/roundcube-core
13:27<dassouki>you are corect :D
13:27<dassouki>thank you
13:28<tarpman>hurray metapackages.
13:28<dassouki>the only thin in README.Debian is something about tinymce editor
13:29<tarpman>dassouki: looking at the files list, it looks like there are config examples in /etc/roundcube
13:29<dassouki>however it seems that roundcube is installed in /etc/roundcube
13:29<JoeK>cd /var/www/ && wget >drupal< && tar -xvf <tar> && cd <extracted tar> && mv * ../ && cd ../ && rm -R <extracted tar>
13:30<randallman>wow that's an ugly one :)
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13:33<JoeK>randallman, does the job
13:33<JoeK>at least thats how i do it for wordpress before i got directadmin+installatron D:
13:33<tarpman>extracting tarballs is so.... crude =/
13:33<randallman>I have no frakkin' clue what a wordpress is :)
13:33<randallman>all this new-fangled-web-stuff :)
13:34<randallman>I'm all behind and shit :)
13:34<Guspaz|m>It's an old slow blogging system.
13:34<JoeK>its a cms too :P
13:34<Yaakov>randallman: It is a device which uses an acme screw drive to crush words into icky piles of nonsense. They are in use all over the blogosphere.
13:34<randallman>Im just an old head I guess
13:34<linbot>The rules: (#1) ignore aaronyy, (#2) ignore b4, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole
13:35<randallman>blogging annoys me :)
13:35<randallman>facebook annoys me, web2.0 annoys me, twitter annoys me
13:35<Yaakov>randallman: Ooh! Ooh! Read me blog!
13:35<randallman>Im just a f'n luddite :0
13:35<randallman>Gimie my perl CGIs back baby! ;p
13:36<Yaakov>randallman spends his weekend smashing Jacquard looms.
13:36<randallman>I've got an extensive buggy whip making operation in my basement
13:36<JoeK>how do signed ssl certs work? are they permanent?
13:36<randallman>and as a side job, I also hand make buttons :0
13:36<Guspaz|m>They expire.
13:36<JoeK>and how would i get one to work with apache (no in-depth explanation needed)
13:36<randallman>SSL certificates have a period 'not before' and 'not after'
13:37<randallman>and apache is simple, you specify directives for mod_ssl
13:37<randallman>which indicate a cert, a key, and if applicable, a chain.
13:37<Yaakov>Mine self-signed certs are currently good to 2019.
13:37<randallman>(for server ssl)
13:37<randallman>Apache likes PEM format
13:37<Guspaz|m>Self-signed certs are of questionable usefulness.
13:37<JoeK>i hate it that when i use ssl on my sites i get a "bad ssl cert"
13:37<tarpman>firefox complains bitterly about them
13:37<Yaakov>Guspaz|m: Not to me.
13:37<amitz>Yaakov: your prime time is over :-p
13:37<randallman>also, you want to make sure the CN of the cert matches the hostname....
13:37<Guspaz|m>Yaakov: They're useless if you want the general public to access your site.
13:37<randallman>and there's a bunch of subjet alternative name crap
13:38<randallman>they've added as of late.
13:38<amitz>let us handle the future
13:38<randallman>MTLS etc...
13:38<randallman>Guspaz, that entire debate is annoying ...
13:38<amitz>ooooh, pony!
13:38<Yaakov>Guspaz|m: That's not really true either. But, if I wanted to create an ecommerce site, I wouldn't use them.
13:38<randallman>An actual SIGNED ssl cert does NOTHING to verify identity....
13:38<randallman>you need 'EV SSL' now if you want to verify identity
13:38<randallman>it used to be that to get a signed SSL cert, you had to prove you were you who you said you were
13:38<Yaakov>amitz: I am just fatigued.
13:39<randallman>not anymore, it's been totally gimped.
13:39<randallman>so they came out with Extended Validation SSL
13:39<randallman>Personally, the *only* reason self signed is not a viable solution is because browsers SCARE users with the terminology
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13:39<randallman>Face it, 99% of the time SSL is to encrypt, not verify...
13:39<Guspaz|m>Yaakov: Modern browsers are sufficiently aggressive against self-signed certs that it's virtually unusable.
13:39<Yaakov>I don't use certs for identity verification, but I could since I also distribute my CA cert.
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13:40<randallman>Yet browsers take the 1% and hardline it
13:40<randallman>it's quite annoying - and firefox just got WORSE!
13:40<amitz>Yaakov: take a rest :-)
13:40<randallman>made it *harder* to accept a non-trusted cert chain
13:40<Yaakov>Guspaz|m: Once you install the CA cert, it's fine. Installing it is trivial. I just have people install mine if they have a relationship with me.
13:41<Guspaz|m>Again, that doesn't work with the general public, only with specific people.
13:41<Yaakov>If not, they don't have any reason to use SSL on my site anyway. If I did need random public access to some SSL, I would get the cheapest acceptable cert.
13:42<Yaakov>But, fortunately, I am not in the business of fleecing the public so I am OK.
13:42<randallman>Anyway, bottom line - browser makers are basically in collusion with root CAs
13:43<randallman>It behooves the root CA guys to get firefox and IE to include thier root certs...
13:43<randallman>I wonder, is there some type of corrupt payoffs going on there? Who (if anyone) determines what the root bundle should look like?
13:45<ekes>randallman: mozilla foundation are pretty open about getting into the bundle; for CA Cert there is a bloody long issue on a mozilla queue that basically says complete an audit to show that the root cert is secure and it's in.
13:46<randallman>So it's actually not a closed door circle jerk?
13:46<randallman>And it's not managed by some org like ICANN?
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13:46*ekes does find the horrific warnings that come with ff3 excessive
13:46<randallman>Oh firefox yaeh
13:46<randallman>and the 'add permanent exception' shit
13:46<ekes>dunno what it's like for M$, but for mozilla it's pretty clear
13:47<randallman>for once, IE is actually better at something.
13:47<amitz>nice, new yahoo mail interface
13:47<randallman>'Cancel or Allow' :p
13:47<randallman>It's like 5 clicks to get to a website with a self signed cert in Firefox now
13:47<randallman>and that's really obnoxious since I have over 250 ILO (HP Lights out) with self signed certs
13:47<randallman>sure, I could do a real PKI with auto-entrollment
13:47<randallman>but that's more frakkin work
13:51<ekes>and the issue on mozilla for cacert
13:51<randallman>And then there are J2EE apps
13:52<randallman>you know how f'n hard and annoying it is to get java user agents to accept untrusted certs
13:52<randallman>then you need to use keytool to import the certs
13:52<randallman>blah blah etc etc
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13:53<ekes>only had to do ssl certs, and I just gave up and gave some cash to gandi in the end for * certs
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13:54<ekes>they actully give 1 free SSL cert if the domain is registered with them, and the *. were relatively cheap.
13:54<randallman>Ahh gotcha
13:54<randallman>arent wildcard certs usually quite costly?
13:55<ekes>yeps, was still €120/year with them
13:55<randallman>What's the ?? ?
13:55<randallman>Yes, Im a damned american US_ASCII mofo :)
13:56<ekes>but it stopped lots of moaning about connection to mail servers etc.
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13:59<dassouki>weird i'm having troubles connecting to my site from firefox
14:01<ekes>no port 80 there
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14:01<dassouki>i just updated my linux box
14:01<dassouki>could that be why
14:02<ekes>FTP, SSH, SMTP, POP3, IMAP, LDAP, SSL/IMAP, SSL/POP3, MySQL, Postgres
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14:02<ekes>try restarting webserver
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14:07<Talman>Hmm, anyone having problems with
14:07<Talman>My linode on freemont couldn't resolve it using Lindoe DNS, switched to OpenDNS.
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14:08<dassouki>~~ * Starting web server apache2
14:08<dassouki>Syntax error on line 16 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dav_svn.conf:
14:08<dassouki>DAV not allowed here
14:08<dassouki> [fail]
14:09<randallman>mod dav svn whee
14:11<dassouki>mod as in modprobe ?
14:11<Guspaz|m>mod as in apache module
14:12<Pryon>a2enmod if it's installed. apt-get if it's not
14:13<dassouki>i enabled the dav svn
14:13<dassouki>still my websites are not accessible
14:14<randallman>why are you using mod_dav_svn?
14:14<dassouki>root@li97-148:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart * Restarting web server apache2 Syntax error on line 16 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dav_svn.conf:
14:14<dassouki>DAV not allowed here
14:14<dassouki>randallman: i don't know, i installed ubuntu
14:14<dassouki>some of hte apps I want
14:14<dassouki>i did an update
14:14<dassouki>and all of a sudden apache went kaboot
14:14<randallman>are you running a SVN repo?
14:14<randallman>on the box?
14:14<randallman>do you want web user access to said repo?
14:14<dassouki>randallman: i installed svn, but i haven't started running it yet
14:14<randallman>Me to you, i'd just disable that module :0
14:15<dassouki>a2dismod ?
14:15<randallman>rm /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dav_svn.conf :)
14:15<randallman>it should jsyut be a symlink
14:16<dassouki>that worked
14:16<dassouki>thanks a bundle
14:17<dassouki>so now will svn work ? cause eventually iwant to have it and move from my local server to my remote
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14:34<SD_>tasaro, you there?
14:36<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
14:37<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
14:37<linbot>JasonF: *click*
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14:48<dassouki>is there an easy way to create an ftp account for /var/www
14:55<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
14:56<dassouki>umm well i'm using aptana
14:56<dassouki>i havne't upgraded to the pro version
14:56<dassouki>so i don't think sftp is supported
14:57<Guspaz|m>SFTP is built into your SSH daemon.
14:57<Guspaz|m>Usually OpenSSH.
14:57<Guspaz|m>If you can SSH into your server, you can SFTP in.
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15:02<JasonF>Although sometimes you have to uncomment something in your sshd_config to allow sftp
15:03<JasonF>although scp is always usable
15:04<dassouki>the good thing about syncho manager in aptana is i get to specify which files to upload, which to keep, and which to upload if newer
15:04<dassouki>the problem is i have to pay $99 to get the sftp support
15:04<dassouki>aptana is based on eclipse
15:04<dassouki>umm i thought there was no gui version of scp on ubuntu
15:05<straterra>for the client?
15:05<straterra>kde supports it, iirc
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15:06<bss>kde should support both sftp and fish, the latter not even needing the server to support sftp
15:06<dassouki>i'm on gnome
15:07<jimcooncat>dassouki: Places -> Connect to Server...
15:08<dassouki>i kind of wanted to stay in the eclipse environmetn
15:09<jimcooncat>dassouki: then run sshfs, or look up the nautilus documentation
15:09<dassouki>cool thanks
15:09<tarpman>or keep your projects in source control on the server and let the source control program handle networking
15:10<dassouki>my python projects are svn'ed not my php ones
15:10<tarpman>never too late to start
15:12<SD_>anyone have any experience with duplicity and amazon s3?
15:13<SD_>can i back up something as large as 6gb?
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15:24<mwalling>gnome supports sftp just fine
15:24<mwalling>click connect ot server
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15:31<SelfishMan>!urmom mwalling
15:31<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so unpleasant she makes mwalling look like Miss Congeniality. (822:8/0) [momur]
15:31<SelfishMan>!urmom vote up 822
15:31<linbot>SelfishMan: Voted 822 up [mromu]
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16:02<straterra>mwalling: ping
16:03<straterra>Got a few?
16:03<straterra>Or did you never leave work? :P
16:03<mwalling>not really, but i'll try
16:03<straterra>It's not critical..I was just wanting an overview of your VOIP config
16:06<mwalling>not today
16:07<mwalling>remiond me later this weekend
16:07<straterra>thats fine
16:07<straterra>how about early next week? :P
16:07<straterra>I don't IRC on the weekends anymore
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16:32<dvyjones>How long does the IP verification mail usually take to arrive?
16:35<Guspaz|m>For what?
16:36<Smark>dvyjones, to add an IP to the Linode Platform Manager Login thing?
16:36<dvyjones>Smark: Indeed.
16:36<dvyjones>It still hasn't arrived after 5 minutes.
16:36<Smark>should be near instant (<5min unless Linode is having mailserver problems)
16:36<dvyjones>It usually comes instantly to my gmail account.
16:37<Smark>try the refresh button on gmail, if it doesnt work, you might ass one of the OPs in this channel.
16:38<dvyjones>Smark: I use IMAP, but I tried the refresh button too, and I checked my spamfilter, but nothing.
16:38<dvyjones>Shall I poke one or all of the ops? :P
16:38<Smark>have you tried actually logging in via
16:38<dvyjones>Does anyone know who's nearest this timezone.
16:38<dvyjones>Smark: I did.
16:38<Smark>I would say ask around.
16:39<dvyjones>caker: Poke.
16:41<dvyjones>irgeek: Poke?
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16:44<@irgeek>The mail went out 20 minutes ago.
16:44<dvyjones>Wait, mail servers or my mail?
16:45<@irgeek>Your mail.
16:45<@irgeek>Yeah. I'm just checking the logs...
16:47<dvyjones>Err, appearantly it skipped the inbox...
16:47*dvyjones checks his filters
16:48<tarpman>dvyjones: gmail's own spamtrap maybe? /[Gmail]/Spam on the imap?
16:48<dvyjones>tarpman: Nope, just got archived.
16:48<dvyjones>It got starred, as my filters said it should.
16:49<orudie>so who is looking forward do windows 7 ?
16:50<BP{k}>what is this "windows 7" you speak of?
16:51<orudie>windows 7 owns linode
16:51*irgeek owns orudie
16:51<KingTarquin>They kinda missed a chunk of text off "Windows, 7 reasons it fails"
16:51<fapestniegd>and botnets pwn windows 7, so by the transitive property...
16:53<sackler> >windows 7
16:53<sackler> >vista w/ different desktop theme?
16:53<orudie>windows 7 owns you irgeek
16:53*irgeek is not in Soviet Russia
16:54<sackler>in soviet Russia, urmom...
16:54<Pryon>That's like saying nobody is on Io
16:54<Pryon>I said that wrong
16:54<Pryon> /relurk
16:54<orudie>what does Soviet Russia has to do with Windows 7 owning irgeek ?
16:55<@irgeek>In Soviet Russia, that question would answer you!
16:55<orudie>thats like totally irrelevant
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17:01<fapestniegd>that went so far over orudie's head, hubble couldn't see it
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17:09<TheJoe>I'm a little unclear on something - if I'm using the Linode nameservers will the domain actually have to go into my 'nodes DNS manager or is it optional?
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17:17<Clorith>If you use linode as yoru nameserver, yo uneed to set it up in the DNS Manager
17:18<@irgeek>Define "using the Linode nameservers"
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17:29<TheJoe>Yeah got it now
17:29<Clorith>so i'm setting up MRTG For the first time ever, I've used aptitude to install it I must confess, but I edited the config file my self, now the guide I'm using isn't helping me much any more
17:29<TheJoe>Doesn't matter - just a temporary lapse of intelligence.
17:30<Clorith>my inet addr is a local IP, since the server I'm doing it on is behin a router which distributes accordingly for me
17:30<Clorith>and when I try adding that local IP, it cries at me and won't monitor it
17:30<Clorith>I also don't have a /etc/mrstg/ directory to set up cpu usage, memory usage etc monitoring as this guide says it should have =/
17:31<tarpman>Clorith: did you also install mrtg-contrib?
17:32<Clorith>only if it's a dependency
17:32<Clorith>I got snmpd as well though
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17:34<tarpman>Clorith: according to this the config files and scripts are all in mrtg-contrib. and no, it's not a dependency.
17:34<tarpman>Clorith: where 'this' = `apt-cache show mrtg`
17:35<SD_>if i'm copying db files (myi, myd, frm) thru ftp, does reading the db cause any problems (doing selects)? as long as i'm not writing to the tables, it should be ok, right?
17:36<Clorith>well, let's install mrtg-contrib then \o/
17:36<Clorith>*install even
17:37<Clorith>wow my spelling is horrible
17:42<Clorith>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:19:D1:41:CC:D1
17:42<Clorith> inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
17:43<Clorith>I cna't seem to find a way to monitor that one =/
17:46<BarkerJr>you call that spelling?
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17:47<Clorith>no, I call that typoing
17:47<TheJoe>Great - I now have to setup postfix to work with a second domain name
17:47<TheJoe>I have hardly any idea how I got it working with one
17:48<tarrant>Hey I was looking at the BSD page on the wiki and it is badly out of date and needs some updating. I attempt to create an account and it asks me for a username/password. Am I missing something stupid or is it for Linode employes only?
17:49<jtatum>"Don't have a login? Create an account" <- click that
17:49<TheJoe>Should it be user: no and password: spam
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17:50<tarrant>It is asking me for a user name and password when I hit the "create an account button"
17:50<TheJoe>tarrant: Yeah - do exactly what it says
17:50<TheJoe>tarrant: The username is "edit"
17:50<TheJoe>The password is "wikiu"
17:51<jtatum>^ that
17:51<BarkerJr>silly wiki :)
17:51<TheJoe>It's antispam
17:51<tarrant>TheJoe: Ahh thanks.
17:51<BarkerJr>no, it's nerd-speak
17:51<BarkerJr>they should write it in plain english
17:52<BarkerJr>the slash-delimiter syntax is hardly standard... even in http, it's :
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17:55<miccet>i was just wondering what the policy is on CPU usage, is it fair use terms or can i use 100% all the time if I so desire?
17:56<Clorith>it's not healthy to have it running that hard all the time though =P
17:57<laser`>miccet: The scheduling algorithm would limit it
17:57<laser`>If other people are using 100%, etc
17:57<miccet>i was thinking if it's virtual hosts it would not be 100% of one cpu, but a share of a bigger unit
17:58<miccet>hence, not be dangerous to chipsets etc :)
17:58<linbot>New news from wiki: BSD Howto <>
18:00<BarkerJr>doesn't say anything about burning out CPUs :)
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18:01<miccet>nah, would be pretty weak if it did :) still, i wouldn't wanna hurt anyone else
18:01<miccet>but i guess it's set up good..
18:01<BarkerJr>I run seti@home, so you know how I feel :)
18:02<BarkerJr>not on my linode, heh
18:02<Pryon>You have to put on the shock collar whenever you start any processes. Use too much CPU and you get a shock.
18:02<miccet>yea i run folding@home o my workstation as well.
18:02<miccet>those things must be frowned upon here though :)
18:04<BarkerJr>I don't even run it on my dedicated server... I don't trust it :)
18:04<miccet>think folding is open source
18:05<miccet>ah no.. it's a bin..
18:05<BarkerJr>no, I mean I don't trust something using 100% of my cpu on a server
18:05<miccet>ah, yea.. why couldn't they put in some sort of limit, like i wouldn't mind a 40% or so
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18:06<BarkerJr>I use all my cpu on halflife servers, anyway
18:06<miccet>must be a bit more variable than 100% tho ;)
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18:08<TheJoe>Error on the Linode wiki btw
18:08<TheJoe>"Could not send confirmation mail. Check address for invalid characters. "
18:09<TheJoe>My address had no such characters.
18:09<Smark>a-zA-Z0-9\ are all invalid
18:10<Smark>you have to resort to a series of Dashes and Underscores such as _---_--_--__
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18:12<tarpman>Smark: you're behind the times. my password is entirely whitespace
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18:12<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Using Openfire RTC on Debian 5 (Lenny) <>
18:13<megatron27>thank god for OpenOffice document recovery
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18:26<BarkerJr>mix tabs and spaces to make a password?
18:32<tarpman>BarkerJr: and newlines
18:32<tarpman>BarkerJr: bit of a pain to type into web forms though
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18:37<straterra>my password is a numeric value equal to that of how many times I've been with urmom
18:38*Solver goes off to the playground with Amelie
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18:48<laser`>oh, meh
18:48<laser`>Was scrolled up slightly
18:48<laser`>So appears incredibly slow >.<
18:48<TheJoe>Ok so I've added the Google MX records - Relay access denied
18:48*TheJoe stabs email with silverblade
18:48<mwalling>TheJoe: what domain
18:50<mwalling>TheJoe: when did you add them
18:50<TheJoe>mwalling: Almost an hour ago
18:50<BarkerJr>did you activate the domain?
18:50<mwalling>they're not on the NS
18:50<BarkerJr>and gmail?
18:51<TheJoe>BarkerJr: That's already been done by the domain owner. He registered it with which did all this for him.
18:51<mwalling>TheJoe: is linode slaving or master?
18:52<TheJoe>mwalling: Master
18:52<TheJoe>Wasn't sure if that's what should have been done
18:52<mwalling>TheJoe: run the check zone tool on the dashboard
18:52<mwalling>TheJoe: if you added it an hour ago, `dig MX` should have the records
18:53<mwalling>right now it returns no MX records, so SMTP falls back to the A record, wich is a newark linode ip
18:53<TheJoe>What package is dig in again?
18:53<linbot>New news from forums: Optimize a 540: Tuning PHP/cgi+Apache/worker+APC+fcgid+MySQL in Performance and Tuning <>
18:53<mwalling>host tools i think
18:54<mwalling>i bind9-host - Version of 'host' bundled with BIND 9.X
18:54<mwalling>that one
18:55*mwalling goes back to working
18:56*linbot dispenses coffee
18:56<TheJoe>Yeah I'm not seeing Google in there. Obviously it needs more time
18:57<mwalling>if youre digging @ an authorative name server, you're asking that server what it knows
18:57<mwalling>TTLs are used by midstream servers to keep the traffic sane
18:58<mwalling>since you cut out the middle men with the @, you're getting what the authorative servers know
18:59<mwalling>whats the edit and generate time on the zone in the dashboard, and what does it look like when you render it?
18:59*caker authoritates urmom
18:59<TheJoe>Modified at 2009-09-18 11:17:48 PM , generated at 2009-09-18 11:30:38 PM
19:00<TheJoe>Everything looks normal in render, all the MX records are there
19:00<mwalling>TheJoe: this is where you tell caker's mom to check whats up
19:01<mwalling>TheJoe: cause as far as i can see, you're doing everything right
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19:02<TheJoe>Just had a message from the domain owner - apparently it takes up to 48 hours for Google to remap or whatever the hell you call the process
19:02<mwalling>doesnt apply yet
19:03<mwalling>since linode is the authorative nameserver, what you put in the LPM is what you should get out at ns?
19:03<mwalling>you're not dealing with google yet
19:03<TheJoe>And now he's convinced that just doesn't want him to move
19:05<mwalling>not them yet either... the com. servers know linode's the NS for HARDYDEV.COM
19:05<TheJoe>Yeah I understood that much
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19:06<TheJoe>He says he can use the hardydev email to send mail
19:06<TheJoe>I think this is a postfix error
19:08<mwalling>hardydev email at googleapps or from the linode?
19:08<mwalling>cause the way it stands now, postmaster@ mail wont get delivered
19:08<TheJoe>I'm assuming from Googleapps
19:08<mwalling>he wont get replies
19:09<TheJoe>Yeah - I tried sending mail to it and got the 5.7.1
19:09<mwalling>you could accept the mail for him onyour linode and forward it to his @gmail
19:09<mwalling>(its listed in the whois data)
19:09<mwalling>that would be very easy with a simple virtual hashtable
19:10<BarkerJr>would break SPF, though
19:10<TheJoe>I don't like breaking things
19:10<mwalling>nah, it will be easy
19:10<mwalling>2 lines in, 1 line (to do it the cheezy way) in a virtual file, and 2 commands
19:11<BarkerJr>then you'll break paypal and ebay
19:11<TheJoe>I think surely I'd just have to put or Googlemail in as relay domains or whatever they're called this week
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19:12<mwalling>as it stands now, you'd need to use a virtual table to translate teh @hardydev to
19:13<BarkerJr>gmail bounces email from paypal and ebay that doesn't come from their servers
19:16<TheJoe>So what are these lines I'm meant to be adding?
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19:19<auzigog>So if I'm expecting an large amount of traffic (50-100k hits) over a five hour period on one specific day, should I call Linode so they can be prepared just in case? Or does it not even matter?
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19:22<BarkerJr>I would think they wouldn't really care either way
19:22<exor674>or even *notice*
19:23<BarkerJr>so long as you don't go over your throughput quota
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19:28<bvh>quick question : if I enter a domain in the DNS manager, how long does it take before will serve it?
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19:29<bvh>found the answer on the wiki : up to 15 minutes
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19:30<BarkerJr>yw :)
19:31<bvh>mmm the import domain thing works fine except for the MX records
19:31<bvh>is there some place where we can report bugs?
19:31<mwalling>theres a forum on the forum
19:31<mwalling>or something like that
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19:34<bvh>well. I'll be of playing with my new VPS toy. linode so far so nice
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19:38<darkside_>what is the deafult TTL for A records with linode's DNS manager?
19:38<bvh>5 minutes
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19:39<darkside_>i don't believe 5 mins
19:39<mwalling>darkside_: its the default for the zone, which is settable in the top of the zone
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19:39<mwalling>(near hostmaster email)
19:39<mwalling>Bohemian_: i hate you.
19:39<bvh>darkside : if I go to SOA edit then it clearly says default TTL for all entries in the zone = 300 or 5 minutes
19:39<mwalling>wow, twitchy fingers
19:40<darkside_>mwalling: and is *that* is set to default? ;)
19:40<mwalling>darkside_: i think 24, but no idea
19:40<mwalling>Bohemian_: (re fios, i live in schenectady)
19:40<Bohemian_>sorry to hear that
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19:41<darkside_>bvh: only if you set the whole zone for 5 minutes
19:41<mwalling>Bohemian_: its almost nisky, less then a golf swing away
19:41<darkside_>mwalling: ok, so what is your default ttl for your zone?
19:42<darkside_>or maybe, what is sensible? :)
19:42<mwalling>!dig SOA
19:42<linbot>mwalling: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 86400 IN SOA 2009082259 7200 7200 1209600 86400 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS
19:42<mwalling>!newercalc 86400 seconds in hours
19:42<linbot>mwalling: 24 hours
19:42<mwalling>darkside_: theres your answer
19:42<darkside_>served via bot!
19:42<bvh>darkside : well mine is set at 5 minutes though
19:42<bvh>and I sure didn't change it
19:43<mwalling>newercalc is wolfram|alpha, dig execs dig
19:43<bvh>maybe the import script sets it to that
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19:43<darkside_>mwalling: ah, so..yes. the 'Default' for the zone is indeed 86400
19:44<darkside_>thx for teh help
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19:47<linbot>The rules: (#1) ignore aaronyy, (#2) ignore b4, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole
19:47<mwalling>note rule 4
19:48<darkside_>shrug, i took no offense
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19:57<BarkerJr>86400 IN SOA ns1.lin...
19:57<BarkerJr>does that TTL matter?
19:57<BarkerJr>!dig SOA
19:57<linbot>BarkerJr: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 86400 IN SOA 2009091500 86400 3600 2419200 86400 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 604800 IN NS 604800 IN NS 604800 IN NS 604800 IN NS 604800 IN NS (1 more message)
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19:59<BarkerJr>hmm, looks like I'm missing a period in my soa
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20:08<orudie>why is it so dead in here
20:08<orudie>its friday lets party
20:08<BarkerJr>I'm trying to, but noone likes my articles :/
20:10<orudie>are you a poet ?
20:10<orudie>mwalling told me once he was a poet too
20:10<Clorith>he sure is
20:11<Clorith>but in my eyes, nobody can compare to HoopyCat and his euphanisms
20:11<orudie>HoopyCat is a pholosopher
20:11<orudie>not a poet
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20:15<orudie>whatever that is
20:15<orudie>what did you buy ?
20:16<orudie>some stupid url
20:16<Clorith>watching miami ink, this is amusing
20:16<Clorith>two girls are dating, but they can see other guys, because it's not cheating unless the girls date other girls O_o
20:17<orudie>thats me
20:17<BarkerJr>I'm watching a PBS pledge drive
20:17<dassouki>you've never heard of threeway mariages ?
20:17<orudie>and my new ride
20:17<Clorith>dassouki, can't say I have
20:18<orudie>i just got it its sick
20:18<orudie>sold my old maxi
20:18-!-Bohemian [] has quit [Quit: Bohemian]
20:18<orudie>i feel bad to give it up to some shmock
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21:02<linbot>New news from forums: Fremont 360? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
21:14<linbot>New news from forums: How can you download (BU) a disk image? in General Discussion <>
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21:15<JoeK>so has anybody actually ordered a linode 14400 ?
21:16<@caker>of course
21:16<JoeK>and how strong would the nodes be in order to hold that and xxx more linodes
21:16<@caker>it's all the same hardware
21:17<@caker>more or less...
21:17<JoeK>what is the standard hardware then? :P
21:17<@caker>sekrit sauce, sorry
21:17<JoeK>most compaies i associate myself with only have 15gb of ram themselves
21:17<JoeK>in their nodes
21:18<bd_>!newercalc 360 MB * 40
21:18<linbot>bd_: 14400 MB (megabytes)
21:18<bd_>^^ lower bound
21:18<JoeK>!newercalc 540 MB * 40
21:18<linbot>JoeK: 21600 MB (megabytes)
21:18<JoeK>!newercalc 540 MB *
21:18<bd_>JoeK: wrong contention ratio
21:18<linbot>JoeK: urmom
21:18<bd_>and you'll end up with the same answer
21:18<bd_>!skynet contention
21:18<linbot>bd_: averment | a point asserted as part of an argument; difference | a contentious speech act; a dispute where there is strong disagreement; group action | the act of competing as for profit or a prize; (3 meanings)
21:18<bd_>!skynet contention ratio
21:19<linbot>bd_: In computer networking, the contention ratio is the ratio of the potential maximum demand to the actual bandwidth. The higher the contention ratio, the greater the number of users that may be trying to use the actual bandwidth at any one time and, therefore, the lower the effective bandwidth offered, especially at peak times.
21:19<linbot>JoeK: Yo momma's so fat they built her a special toilet! (745:0/0) [roumm]
21:19<bd_>!skynet how many linodes on a host
21:19<linbot>bd_: How many Linodes share a host? We group Linodes of the same plan together onto the hosts. A Linode 360 host has no more than 40 Linodes on it. A Linode 540 host has no more than 30. Linode 720 host: 20 Linodes; Linode 1080 host: 15; Linode 1440 host: 10; Linode 2880: 5. (97.183%)
21:19<bd_>!newercalc 540 * 30
21:19<linbot>bd_: 16200
21:19<bd_>huh, slightly higher actually
21:19<JoeK>linbot: l2ntolistplans
21:20<JoeK>FloodServ, get me a soda
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21:24<@jed>we've actually upgraded since that FAQ was written, we now put 950 Linode 360s on a host
21:25<@jed>!newercalc 950 * 360 MB
21:25<linbot>jed: 342000 MB (megabytes)
21:25<@jed>^ lower bound
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21:31*praetorian hugs jed
21:31<JoeK>who here uses wordpress? if so, how can i get the ip of the author of a comment?
21:32<chesty>in wp-admin
21:33<Clorith>I think yo ucan hover over the comment in most themes as well, if your already logged in with the correct privileges
21:38<JoeK>caker, if i cancel a linode account will my linode be instantly wiped etc?
21:39<@caker>meaning, can we revive it if you change your mind?
21:39<JoeK>no, but will it be offline like the second i hit cancel
21:39<JoeK>or in the next upcoming minute etc :p
21:39<Clorith>it'll be alive for the period it's paid for
21:39<@caker>JoeK: it goes away instantly, yes.
21:40<Clorith>wow, glad I never clicked that
21:40<@tasaro>...and you get a credit for the remaining paid time
21:41<chesty>do i get credit if i write a really funny original poem?
21:42<praetorian>chesty: negative
21:43<mwalling>tasaro: do i get a credit for urmom
21:44<linbot>praetorian: Yo momma's so charitable she donates her facial hair to charity! (831:6/0) [mrmuo]
21:47<JoeK>tasaro: define credit
21:47<JoeK>credit as in refund or?
21:48<@caker>JoeK: it tells you all of this on the "remove a linode" screen, I believe
21:48<JoeK>A credit of $12.38 will be applied to your account.
21:49<JoeK>so thats in-account credentials
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22:04<JoeK>so what is your views on solusVM?
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22:28<Keith-BlindUser>Hey all.
22:28*HoopyCat idly requests the #3 wide receiver run a 6-route, the tight end block the blind-side defensive end, and the offensive line engage maximum protection
22:29<Keith-BlindUser>I'm so happy for the ability for us users to automatically upgrade/downgrade our Linodes at random without waiting or opening unnecessary support tickets.
22:30<Keith-BlindUser>I only believe support tickets should only be opened (if) there is a severe issue such as network packets not reaching the Net on our Linode's interfaces, etc.
22:33<Keith-BlindUser>Hoopycat: Would this be the proper option in /etc/sysctl.conf? Xen.Indipendent_wallclock = 0?
22:33<Keith-BlindUser>I think that's right, but not sure. I don't want Xen to use it's clock on account of me utilizing NTPD.
22:34<Keith-BlindUser>Plus I might set a timezone different from where the server resides.
22:34<Keith-BlindUser>Say: /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Arizona, or something.
22:36<jtsage>Keith-BlindUser- i suspect that that caps are not used on the sysctl line. also, check your spelling :) as for timezones, you can set whatever you like - it's a userland translation - the system clock should actually be keeping UTC iirc
22:37<jtsage>same with daylight savings time - it's inefficient to actually change the system clock, better to just add the hour at display
22:46<bd_>more like it's really complex to change the system clock
22:47<bd_>in autumn, you go from 02:00 DST to 01:00 EST, and then what happens when you hit 02:00 again? if you change the main system clock, you have to keep a flag somewhere
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22:49<jtsage>aye. comparing a file date and finding it was actually edited 30 minutes into the future is a little disconcerting
22:50<SelfishMan>oh, that's why didn't notify me
22:51<SelfishMan>I migrated from dallas108 to dallas188 last night
22:51<amitz>hmm curious, what's the syntax to say 01:30 EST before/after change?
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22:52<SelfishMan>bd_: the os does that
22:52<amitz>SelfishMan: woah, how many linode do you manage that you forget you migrated?
22:52<SelfishMan>amitz: 4 on my main account and 15 others for people
22:53<HoopyCat>amitz: plus the urmom high-availability cluster
22:53*HoopyCat starts stopwatch
22:53<linbot>HoopyCat: Yo momma's so fat, when she went to the beach, the tide came in! (829:1/0) [umrom]
22:53<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 33% full. Last emptied Thursday at 12:30 EDT, last full on Thursday at 11:00 EDT after running for 38.0 hours.
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22:54<SelfishMan>!f why is megan fox so hawt?
22:54<linbot>SelfishMan: Your momma gives better HEAD than a spambot! (834:2/0) [uromm]
22:54<linbot>SelfishMan: I'm afraid I can't do that
22:54<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so ugly, she looks like this! (817:0/0) [mruom]
22:54<linbot>SelfishMan: Now 33% full. Last emptied Thursday at 12:30 EDT, last full on Thursday at 11:00 EDT after running for 38.0 hours.
22:54<HoopyCat>(and yeah, my wife emptied the dehumidifier before it filled up just to mess with the stats)
22:56<SelfishMan>I think I broke the urmom bot
22:56<linbot>SelfishMan: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
22:56<linbot>Keith-BlindUser: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
22:56<SelfishMan>!urmom HoopyCat
22:56<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so stupid, she can't think of a joke to add to the database! (767:0/0) [mmuor]
22:56<SelfishMan>!urmom HoopyCat
22:57<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so charitable she donates her facial hair to charity! (831:6/0) [mmuor]
22:57<SelfishMan>what the hell? I know there is a HoopyCat joke in there somewhere
22:57<SelfishMan>!urmom HoopyCat
22:57<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's got so much feature creep, she supports regexps, themes, and Twitter. (772:2/0) [umrom]
22:57*amitz helps his wife cook.
22:57<Keith-BlindUser>Sounds like the bot died.
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22:57<Keith-BlindUser>Or maybe there is a bug in the database for it? :D
22:57<SelfishMan>I don't have bugs
22:57<r3z>Is theplanet blocking thepiratebay?
22:58<r3z>Trying to download an iso from them...
22:58<Keith-BlindUser>Why would they?
22:58<SelfishMan>r3z: no, TPB is blocking TP
22:58<r3z>Its legit..
22:58<r3z>Somehow I doubt that lol
22:58<Keith-BlindUser>TPB, not TPHB.
22:58<SelfishMan>r3z: I'm quite serious
22:58<r3z>That sucks.
22:59<SelfishMan>some "illegal torrent monitoring" systems were put in TP not that long ago
22:59<Keith-BlindUser>Linode souldn't be used for grabbing Isos off torant sites like that.
22:59<Keith-BlindUser>Linodes are server boxes.
23:00<Keith-BlindUser>Not client machines.
23:00<SelfishMan>Keith-BlindUser: Who do you think seeds most Linux ISOs? It isn't home users
23:00<r3z>Wanna grab that :(
23:00<r3z>Used to grab different isos from time to time from there...
23:00<r3z>Ohh well guess I have to find alternate means now... :(
23:01*SelfishMan has no problem fetching that page
23:01<r3z>Ya I can get to that page but dl the torrent and then try to download it.
23:01<r3z>Fails to connect to tracker.
23:01<r3z>ping and no worky...
23:02<r3z>Null routed.
23:02<Turl>r3z: you can always use proxies
23:02<r3z>Then I might as well download it at home..
23:02<Turl>r3z: just for the record, it doesn't ping here either
23:02<Turl>and I'm on a totally different country
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23:04<r3z>Ya works from home.
23:04<r3z>Either TP is blocking TPB or TPB is blocking TP...
23:04<r3z>SelfishMan, you have any articles or docs to back that up?
23:05<Talman>ooh, what did I connect to?
23:05<SelfishMan>Read somewhere but I can't remember where
23:05<Turl>r3z: try nmapping or sth
23:05<Keith-BlindUser>The plannet rocks.
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23:05<Turl>I read you can notice if there are mans in the middle or some of those things using nmap and looking at some ports
23:06<r3z>Dies here ... 2 ( 0.597 ms 0.688 ms 0.677 ms
23:14<linbot>bd_: [mtr] 15 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 80.0%/147.7ms
23:14<linbot>bd_: [mtr] 11 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 20.0%/100.5ms
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23:15<linbot>Talman: [mtr] 13 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 20.0%/200.7ms (These results brought to you by urmom and the number 42)
23:15<bd_>WFM from newark btw
23:15<linbot>bd_: [mtr] 11 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 20.0%/127.2ms
23:15<bd_>with 0 loss
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23:17<amitz>what's the plural form of "man in the middle"?
23:17<bd_>The Pentagon
23:17<Turl>amitz: men in the middle? :P
23:17<SelfishMan>amitz: "urmom"
23:18<Turl>I know, I surely wrote "mens" or "mans"
23:18*Turl checks
23:18<Turl>mans, that was.
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23:19<Turl>sed -i 's/mans/men/g' $(find / -type f)
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23:22<HoopyCat>and with that, i'm off to sleep. i hope
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23:34<Turl>most of the sites on are down :(
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