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---Logopened Mon Oct 12 00:00:01 2009
00:00-!-CWii_ is now known as compwhizii
00:07<amitz>oh, twinkies. Just googled. Interesting food but never really like it.
00:07<compwhizii>My linode won't boot. http://filebox.me/files/kh58reh94_Untitled.png Any ideas?
00:09<Peng_>Ohh, that happened to someone else recently, but I forget what the answer was.
00:10<Peng_>Never mind, think it was something else.
00:11<@caker>compwhizii: yes. Switch your kernel to the 2.6.30, save, and reboot. Arch compiled out support for older kernels from their udev package...
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00:12<compwhizii>I'll try that.
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00:16<compwhizii>caker, Thank's so much. You guys are awesome.
00:16<Peng_>Ah, darn, I had seen it before.
00:16<Peng_>caker++
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00:41<amitz>hmm, I should persuade my ISP to host an IRC channel for support..
00:41*encode wonders what orudie's deal was
00:44<JoeK>any flex coder want to make a quick buck?
00:48<amitz>hmm I can see that higher lag = painful ssh session.
00:48<amitz>sorry, wrong channel.
00:49<opello>(yes it does)
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00:50<amitz>encode: IIRC, orudie used to be somewhat a regular? Maybe he was reminded to the helpfulness of linode again.
00:51<encode>oh. i don't remember the nick, but then there have been a lof of people through here
00:51<encode>i doubt many here use windows 7 enough to know about animated backgrounds though
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00:57<Keith-BlindUser>I don't get this. If I run a dmesg | tail on my Linode, I keep seeing this. I would like to erase this from my boot-up if I am able to, or I wonder if Caker or anyone else can do anything on there end? The messages are: udev: starting version 146
00:57<Keith-BlindUser>udev: missing sysfs features; please update the kernel or disable the kernel's CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED option; udev may fail to work correctly
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01:09<StevenK>Remove udev
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01:26<linbot>New news from forums: Why is my disk speed so slow? in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4717>
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01:32<j2d2>back!
01:32<j2d2>so i just installed a clean ubuntu and aptitude can't find courier-*
01:32<j2d2>i can't seem to find anything via google either
01:32<metap|pe>did you enable universe apt repositories?
01:33<StevenK>courier is in universe, is universe enabled?
01:33<bob2>dovecot.
01:33<StevenK>And what bob2 said
01:34<jtsage>j2d2- also, 'apt-get update'. out of the box, the cache isn't built yet (or not completely - at least that was true of the 8.10 image)
01:34<j2d2>i did the update, but i didn't enable universe.
01:35<bob2>correct
01:35<bob2>you need to do that once to make apt work at all, and again after you enable universe to make universe work
01:35<bob2>or just use dovecot
01:37<j2d2>what's dovecot?
01:39<j2d2>i see. an mta. would you guys recommend dovecot + postfix?
01:39<j2d2>ahem... mDa
01:39<bob2>no
01:39<bob2>dovecot is an imap server (and also includes an mda)
01:39<bob2>http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny
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01:44<drew__>finally got my new Debian linode up and running and just noticed my site has a PERL contact form script that doesn't work
01:44<drew__>when trying to post it just attempts to download the file
01:44<drew__>I am guessing I am missing a package but I am not sure which exact one
01:45<drew__>I have the cgi and mime modules loaded
01:45<drew__>any idea what I am missing?
01:46<array>drew__: apt-get install php5-cgi
01:47<drew__>array: awesome, let me give it a shot
01:47<drew__>thanks!
01:50<drew__>array: installed php5-cgi and reloaded apache, still no dice
01:51<drew__>still trying to download the file
01:51<drew__>It is world executable
01:51<drew__>Is there something I need to set in php.ini?
01:52<Pryon>drew__: did you enable the module after installing it?
01:53<drew__>Pryon: mod cgi was already enabled
01:54<kronos003>drew__: if you are using apache, often you have to enable script execution and i think add their file extentions to the apache config file
01:55<drew__>kronos003: thanks. So in the vhost file for that site or are you talking /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ?
01:55<kronos003>drew__: that is extensions to main config and enable script execution in the virtualhost config section for the directory the script is in
01:56<kronos003>drew__: its been a while since ive edited that file without an intermediary but that sound like the correct location
01:56<drew__>OK so add a new Directory to the vhosts file as well?
01:56<kronos003>drew__: in some cases the vhost info is at the bottom of the httpd.conf
01:56<array>drew__: you'll need to add a directive to your /etc/apache2/httpd.conf (AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl), and add Options +ExecCGI to your 000-default
01:58<drew__>array: thanks! so the first part for the apache2.conf and the second part in the vhost directory container?
01:58<kronos003>drew__: your vhost will specify a hostname and a directory. below that you will add a more specific director (for security reason)s and add the execution directive - dont ask me what they are since ive not had to mess with that by hand for a several months
01:58<kronos003>drew__: what array said - that sounds correct
01:59<drew__>got it, I am pretty comfortable with the vhost layout
01:59<array>drew__: yep :)
01:59<linbot>New news from wiki: Internal Services <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Internal_Services&diff=3911&oldid=prev>
01:59<drew__>array: could I put them both in the vhost file to make it more modular?
02:00<drew__>and specific to that directory
02:01<array>drew__: placing Options +ExecCGI in yoru VirtualHost will only allow script execution in that directory
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02:02<drew__>array: got it, just curious why the AddHandler directive would go in the more global config file, just so you don't have to do it for other sites?
02:03<array>drew__: cgi-script needs to be enabled through AddHandler, ExecCGI will give it permission in where it is allowed to be executed
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02:04<array>drew__: it doesn't matter if the handler is being enabled globally, because ExecCGI will need to be allowed for it to be ran in the corresponding directory
02:05<drew__>array: ok, awesome. Makes perfect sense. Let me throw those in and give it a whirl.
02:05<drew__>thanks!
02:05<array>drew__: so it still limits what domains can/cannot access it (if that's what you're concerned about)
02:05<array>np
02:10<drew__>array: awesome, the script worked! Now I have to configure it properly. I think it is attempting to use sendmail by default
02:10<drew__>worked as in executed but it didn't actually send the mail
02:13<array>cool :) -- do you have an MTA installed?
02:13<drew__>does one come installed by default?
02:14<array>drew__: not on the default linode install, take a look at postfix: http://library.linode.com/email-guides/postfix/
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02:15<drew__>OK awesome, that should get me basic mail transfer? All I need it for is scripts
02:16<array>that guide is for courier too, if you just want it to push out email for your website then just 'apt-get install postfix'
02:16<drew__>ok, nice, let me give that a shot
02:17<array>there's a fix things you'll need to setup with postconf
02:17<array>i have to head out to pick up the mrs now though (sorry!)
02:17<array>i'll be back shortly
02:18<drew__>no problem, I appreciate your help
02:18<array>fix = few
02:18<array>anytime! bbiab
02:18<drew__>sounds good, thanks again!
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02:33<kelvinq>terrible question - but does anyone know of a good alternative to Linode besides Slicehost, Amazon and Rackspace Cloud? need to build some redundancy into the network.
02:33<StevenK>kelvinq: You can't use multiple linodes in different datacenters?
02:34<kelvinq>StevenK: already doing that.
02:34<StevenK>kelvinq: And it isn't enough?
02:34<bd_>kelvinq: four providers isn't enough?
02:34<bd_>well
02:34<bd_>three
02:34<kelvinq>bd_: ;)
02:34<bd_>and in a total of 10 DCs...
02:34<bd_>across two continents...
02:35<kelvinq>bd_: well, we are doing a backups and sometimes file sizes get horrendously huge. always good to know about alternatives to all these super star providers. :)
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02:48<eTiger13>I know i read this somewhere, but what was the way to transfer data between my nodes in the same DC without it using my monthly bw?
02:48<drew__>I am trying to configure postfix and am a bit confused on how my "mail name" needs to match up with my HostName and what is defined in my /etc/hosts
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02:49<drew__>should they all be the same? Right now my HostName is just "mydomain"
02:49<drew__>Should I change it to "mydomain.com" and set Postfix to "mydomain.com" as well? Or do they not need to match?
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02:58<Tora>I just set up a postfix smtp server for all the hardware (efax, scanners, etc ) and its getting spammed out by google , I was wondering besides accurate dns and rdns what else can i do to make this a legitamate looking smtp server
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03:01<Auzy>Tora, Add SPF entries maybe
03:02<Auzy>Also, check sites such as Spamcop and such to ensure they dont have your IP address listed
03:02<Auzy>And obviously, make sure your sites configuration doesn't suck, although, Gmail probably mostly relies on Baysian filtering..
03:03<Tora>yeah , the ip is clean
03:03<Tora>and define configuration that sucks?
03:03<Tora>adding spf entry now
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03:04<Auzy>well.. an open relay for starters would be pretty sucky :P Make sure abuse@bleh.com and all that are set up (but I doubt that will make any difference to google).
03:04<Auzy>Not really sure though.. At the end, it comes down to the messages being sent mostly
03:08<eTiger13>i wish i could have custom nodes
03:09<Auzy>I have also noticed that Googles integration with everything tends to go overboard, so they may also employ information they use for their search engine spider too, for spam (somehow google profile for instance knew I administered a website AGES ago for another company, it must have been because I added it at some time to webmaster tools)
03:11<Tora>hehe, yeah its not a open relay. just allows based on IP address, I think maybe spf might help a bit.
03:11<drew__>Looking at my mail logs mail outside my domain is bouncing
03:14<drew__>sorry mail outside my domain works, but what if I want the script to send mail to my domain and I am using Google Apps to manage email
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03:23<Auzy>Except Tora, you must remember that spammers were apparently the first people to adopt SPF ;) At the end of the day, if you sound spammish, you'll get marked as such, if you don't, you wont..
03:24<eTiger13>drew__, are you sending email to your own domain from a server that is not managing that emails domain? if so, a lot of services will blacklist it unless you whitelist or send it using smtp
03:26<drew__>eTiger: right now I am just testing it
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03:26<drew__>here is a better summary of my question:
03:26<drew__>I set-up Postfix and it seems to work as described. On my website, I subscribed using an email account (hosted at Google Apps) that has the same domain that Postfix is set-up for. (The goal is to have the website send confirmation emails or forgotten passwords, while actual user account live on GAFYD.) When the site sends an email, it goes straight into the local shell account on the web...
03:26<drew__>...server. Is there any way to get these emails to go to the desired GAFYD email account instead?
03:29<drew__>eTiger13: If I have my SPF set to accept from the a record I should be OK right?
03:30<eTiger13>you dont need postfix for that. just setup an account in gapps for the server to use and then use that account to send the automated emails through using smtp
03:31<eTiger13>whats your app in? ruby, php?
03:31<drew__>php, it is just a contact form script
03:31<drew__>how can I setup the server to automatically send email through GApps
03:32<drew__>instead of postfix
03:32<eTiger13>like i said, setup an account in gapps. then use PEAR to send the email instead of mail()
03:33<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/
03:33<linbot>http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk
03:34<drew__>Am I going to have to configure the script to send using SMTP or can I just have the server send via SMTP by default?
03:34<eTiger13>http://email.about.com/od/emailprogrammingtips/qt/et073006.htm paying attention to the ssl part
03:35<eTiger13>you have to configure the script. but as long as you are using a newer version of php then you should have PEAR by default and changing your mailing script wont be too hard
03:35<drew__>OK, let me give it a shot
03:35<drew__>thanks!
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03:40<linbot>New news from forums: May I run a small legal torrent tracker on linode servers? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4718>
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03:47<eTiger13>whats a good way to do file backups that i can transfer between nodes?
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03:51<JoeK>tar -cvf /*
03:51<JoeK>:)
03:52<chesty>that's not a good way
03:52<eTiger13>i said a good way, not a brute force way
03:53<JoeK>it works o.o
03:53<JoeK>then just transfer it to apache and wget it
03:53<JoeK>:P
03:54<eTiger13>it also uses up bandwidth
03:55<JoeK>eTiger13, using private ips dosent :p
03:55<JoeK>if within d/c
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04:10<chesty>it tars up /proc dev and /sys
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04:19<Solver>chesty: that's easy to avoid. use -X
04:20*Solver keeps a standard list of directories for tar to skip
04:20<chesty>i never said it was hard, but that won't help when you specify /*
04:20<Solver>sure it will
04:21<Solver>tar -X exclude_file -cfv /*
04:21<amitz>SpaceHobo: crab's baby is delicious!
04:21<chesty>ah, i usually use the one file system flag, i thought -X was it
04:22<Solver>yeah --one-filesystem is a decent alternative. -X means you don't need to remember each FS individually
04:27<chesty>does -X make an empty mount point for the directories you exclude?
04:28<chesty>if you exclude /proc, do you have to go and mkdir /proc later on?
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04:33<amitz>huh? I don't think you should backup /proc or /sys? I'm guessing here since when installing using debootstrap, /proc and /sys can be summoned by mount -t sysfs and mount -t proc.
04:34<chesty>that was my point
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04:49<Solver>chesty: IIRC it will skip the directory not just the contents, so you would need to remake it
04:49<Solver>chesty: but test that
04:50*Solver likes the XFS filesystem for various reasons and uses xfsdump where possible
04:50<Solver>I'm going to switch my linodes to XFS soon
04:51*Solver wanders off
04:53<amitz>Solver: just be careful that XFS performance sucks at many small files and delete operations. Rename operations hasve the potential to be unrecoverably corrupt.
04:56<amitz>despite all of that, I still use XFS :-p
04:56<amitz>s/that/those/
04:59<amitz>SpaceHobo:which makes me wonder why there is no option to shrink XFS in gparted as of last time I check. I wonder if it's difficult.
05:02<coax->yay, i got my two servers set up perfectly, everthing is done and functional
05:02<coax->dns/email/web/design/etc
05:03<amitz>curious, what's the "design" part?
05:03<coax->oh, my web designs
05:03<coax->and the php/html coding etc
05:05<coax->took several weeks and several revisions of both conf files and web files
05:05<coax->but now i think im done
05:05*coax- random joy
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05:32<soul9>uh, has linode started to filter connections to msn and yahoo servers?
05:33<bob2>unlikely
05:33<soul9>yeah, i thought so
05:33<bob2>what ports do they use? atlanta blocks some irc looking ports
05:34<soul9>something weird is going on, because my jabber transports for msn and yahoo stopped working
05:34<soul9>no, i'm in newark
05:36<bob2>tcpdump it
05:36<amitz>soul9: my bitlbee still works in connecting to msn and yahoo.
05:36<soul9>ok
05:37<soul9>no, i don't think it's linode
05:37<soul9>just been some time now i can't find the cause :(
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06:08<coax->is alpine the best cli email client atm?
06:08<bob2>gnus!
06:08*Solver is an alpine man
06:08<Solver>I've been a pine/alpine man since 1994
06:08<bob2>I'm not sure there's anything to motivate new users to go with alpine rather than mutt
06:09<Solver>other popular options include mutt
06:09<Solver>bob2: perhaps. I tried mutt and didn't like it much
06:09<coax->mutt seems complicated
06:09<soul9>alpine is the new pine?
06:09<coax->i havent tried it in years
06:09<Solver>alpien is very feature rich
06:09<coax->alpine is very easy to navigate and do stuff in
06:09<bob2>soul9: yes
06:09<Solver>coax-:it is fully OSS. pine wasn't
06:09<bob2>and it's finallly free
06:09<coax->Solver whats OSS?
06:10<Solver>open source software
06:10<coax->ah ok
06:10<soul9>FOSS actually, no?
06:10<Solver>pine was not properly included in debian due to licencing concerns
06:10<Solver>whereas alpine is
06:11<Solver>alpine is under the Apache licence
06:12<soul9>so it is FOSS
06:12<Solver>soul9: sure. some people say OSS/FOSS or even FLOSS.
06:12<soul9>FL?
06:12<coax->its like alpine is the nano of email and mutt is the vim
06:12<Solver>'FLOSS' always confuses people not in the scene :)
06:12<coax->as far as i remember
06:13<Solver>Free, Libre & Open Source Software
06:13<Solver>the problem is 'free' in English has 2 distinct meanings so some people borrow 'Libre' from French
06:13<soul9>ok
06:14<soul9>thoguh for the second meaning there is 'gratis'
06:14<Solver>SpaceHobo: indeed :)
06:14<Solver>right free can mean 'without cost and 'without constraint'
06:14<ekes>libre software
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06:14<ekes>:)
06:14<coax->Unclosed Software
06:14<Solver>yess 'open source' probably wasn't a great choice IMHO but changing the name again would be worse
06:15<soul9>s/to talk about//
06:15<Solver>maybe the problems with the terminology is an excuse to explain it properly :)
06:15<coax->but people say open software and there seems to be some innate feeling of the meaning
06:15<coax->like they know whaytit means right away
06:15<Solver>and in recent years some companie shave tried to co-opt the term open
06:16<bob2>unless they used unix in the 80s
06:16<bob2>or 90s
06:16<Solver>to leverage off the popularity of OSS
06:16<Solver>and a verb :)
06:17<Solver>SpaceHobo: I think Leverage is standard usage in Australian English but I will check
06:17<bob2>SpaceHobo: and "openwindows"
06:18<Solver>when advising something is incorrect usage it is worth remembering that English has many standard versions
06:18<Solver>ditto Spanish
06:18<soul9>utilisation is french :D
06:18<Solver>Americans often 'correct' British English on Wikipedia
06:19<Solver>SpaceHobo: I shall check. language also evolves so I don't get too hung up on that sort of thing
06:19<Solver>compare English of 1950 to today. massive changes
06:19<Solver>anyway I have work to do *sigh*
06:20<Solver>SpaceHobo: I'm going to check to see when that entered Australian English
06:20<Solver>which is my native version
06:20<Solver>SpaceHobo: hahaha :)
06:22<soul9>n?
06:22<soul9>no?
06:22<bob2>nazi
06:22<bob2>eot
06:22<soul9>heh
06:22<soul9>why not use it?
06:22<soul9>ok
06:23<soul9>hobo is offensive too, you know?
06:23<soul9>it's not vulgar
06:23<soul9>i don't see why nazi is vulgar though
06:24<bob2>soul9: I was joking
06:24<soul9>heh
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06:24<elky>soul9, heard of Godwin's Law?
06:24<soul9>/damn/ /me shuts up
06:24<soul9>elky: no
06:24<elky>soul9, it has a wikipedia page.
06:25<coax->goodwins bra
06:25*soul9 checks
06:25<coax->erwq
06:25<soul9>hahahah
06:25<soul9>that's funny :D
06:25<soul9>elky: thanks
06:26<elky>soul9, do you understand the concept of it?
06:26<soul9>yeah :D
06:27<soul9>as a discussion grows longer, the probability of a nazi comparison/etc⋯ approaches 1
06:27<soul9>very true, and hilarious too
06:27<elky>um, the other part of the concept.
06:27<saurabh>hi everyone
06:27<soul9>uh no
06:27<soul9>lemme see
06:28<saurabh>Can any1 please tell me how to regulate log filles
06:28<elky>the "dilutes the significance" bit, or however it's worded.
06:28<soul9>uh
06:29<soul9>no
06:29<soul9>i don't see
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06:29<soul9>saurabh: "regulate"?
06:29<saurabh>i am having log files of size around 2 gb
06:29<soul9>elky: no, i don't see
06:29<coax->rotate
06:29<soul9>ah
06:29<soul9>saurabh: logrotate
06:29<saurabh>ok sorry, how do i logrotate
06:30<soul9>install logrotate :)
06:30<elky>soul9, "Godwin has argued,[4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact."
06:30<bob2>what distribuition?
06:30<soul9>yezs
06:30<soul9>yes*
06:30<soul9>ok, yeah
06:30<bob2>all the useful ones should install logrotate and set it up for you
06:30<saurabh>is the logrotate pakage present in ubuntu
06:31<bob2>yes
06:31<bob2>what log file is this?
06:31<saurabh>it is mail.err
06:31<saurabh>and mail.log
06:33<saurabh>i have one more question
06:33<soul9>so just install logrotate
06:34<saurabh>my Disk I/O rate goes beyond 1500
06:34<soul9>what is the server doing?
06:34<saurabh>is there any problem in this
06:34<soul9>what is that server doing?
06:35<saurabh>i use phplist to send out newsletter
06:35<soul9>is that all?
06:35<saurabh>yes
06:35<soul9>and how do you check the disk io?
06:35<soul9>ah, on linode right?
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06:35<saurabh>yes linode dashboard
06:36<soul9>lemme see where 1500 is
06:36<soul9>ok, so this phplist uses mysql right?
06:37<soul9>saurabh: how many users? a lot?
06:37<saurabh>somehwre around 60,000
06:38<soul9>yeah, then it's normal
06:38<soul9>i wouldn't be surprised
06:38<soul9>my server sits around 0, but it has only 1 user ;)
06:38<soul9>or, well, not exactly, but not many at least
06:39<saurabh>so is it fyn that i increase my threshold to 2000
06:40<soul9>i guess so
06:40<soul9>yeah, 60k users is a lot
06:40<soul9>saurabh: what kind of linode you got?
06:41<coax->for fun: anyone know any reasonably big sites hosted on a linode?
06:41<coax->any open source projects perhaps
06:42<saurabh>i have linode 360
06:42<soul9>ok
06:42<soul9>well, you'll probably be upgrading soon ;)
06:42<saurabh>yup even i think so
06:43<soul9>ok, i'm gone
06:43<soul9>see y'all
06:43<scorche>coax-: portions of the Rockbox website are hosted on mine...perhaps not "reasonably big" depending on your scope, but...
06:43<coax->ah ok thats cool
06:43<coax->which portion?
06:44<saurabh>is there any other reason why the disk i/o rate could be so high
06:45<soul9>saurabh: yeah, bad mysql configuration
06:45<soul9>if your tables are not optimised enough, or not enough caching is done
06:47<BarkerJr>it could also by writing http access_logs
06:47<soul9>if there is a webserver that is used much, yes, but it seems this server is just a listsrv?
06:48<saurabh>ok
06:52<soul9>saurabh: yes, maybe also you don't have enough RAM, so it can't cache stuff
06:52<saurabh>ok
06:52<soul9>saurabh: type free in the shell to see RAM info
06:52<saurabh>k i ll just check it
06:54<saurabh>i gives some details. but i m not able to understand the data
06:54<saurabh>can u plz help me with that
06:54<soul9>so paste it somewhere
06:54<soul9>? paste
06:54<soul9>! paste
06:55<soul9>heh
06:55<soul9>well, just use http://friendpaste.com
06:55<soul9>saurabh: ↑
06:56<saurabh>please check the data here http://friendpaste.com/6hFodzBHAd2OqRq9KBSNMw
06:57<soul9>yeah, not a RAM problem (yetà
06:57<soul9>s/à/)
06:57<soul9>you have 61M of RAM free
06:57<soul9>saurabh: free -m gives the info in Mb
06:57<soul9>saurabh: but if you set up more agressive caching it'll probably max out your RAM
06:58<saurabh>so does this mean that when the system resources are being used to their peak values, i have 61 MB of free RAM?
06:58<soul9>yes
06:59<saurabh>so what could be the other cause for such a high disk I/O
07:00<saurabh>My CPU usage has gone 93%, the last tym i sent out my newsletter
07:02<BarkerJr>60,000 users is a lot
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07:02<soul9>yeah, you need to take a look at your mysql configuration
07:02<soul9>and probably upgrade your RAM
07:02<BarkerJr>how many emails per second is this?
07:03<BarkerJr>sendmail will write each email to disk before sending it
07:05<saurabh>it is between 8000-9000 emails per second
07:06<saurabh>sorry its not per second.
07:06<saurabh>it is 8000-9000 emails per hour
07:06<amitz>per second is really cool :-D
07:06<saurabh>soory but that was just a mistake
07:08<coax->saurabh may i ask what website you are running
07:08<saurabh>it is not a site
07:08<saurabh>it is just a phplist instance
07:09<coax->ah
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07:10<BarkerJr>I'm just saying, that may be a reasonable ammount of IO for what you're doing
07:13<saurabh>yes
07:13<saurabh>can you please tell me what could the possible problem be
07:14<BarkerJr>what's the problem?
07:15<saurabh>the problem is i m getting DIsk I/O rate of about 2500
07:15<BarkerJr>why is a high I/O rate a problem?
07:15<saurabh>it is actually between 1500-3000
07:15<BarkerJr>is it degrading your server's performance?
07:16<saurabh>and i also got a CPU usage of 90% last tym
07:16<saurabh>i m not worried about the performance
07:16<BarkerJr>maybe php is not strong enough for such a huge list
07:16<saurabh>as i m not hosting any website on this, i use it just to send out mails
07:17<saurabh>but cud this be bcoz someone
07:17<BarkerJr>maybe sendmail needs configuration tweaking to use less I/O
07:17<saurabh>has hacked into my Linode slice
07:18<saurabh>do you have any suggesstions regarding something better than PHPlist
07:18<BarkerJr>no, I haven't run a mailing list
07:18<BarkerJr>so I don't know how much I/O is normal
07:19<BarkerJr>but mailer daemons do eat a lot of resources
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07:20<saurabh>ok thankyou
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09:40<HoopyCat>!d
09:41<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 0% full. Last emptied Monday at 09:15 EDT, last full on Monday at 08:50 EDT after running for 46.0 hours.
09:41<JshWright>I'm glad the drier weather is finally here
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09:41<HoopyCat>JshWright: i'm probably going to have to fire up the humidifier in a few days
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09:48*amitz doesn't have to mess with humidifier. It's always humid here.
09:49<amitz>But the bad thing about high humidity is that you can't leave food opened for too long.
09:49*HoopyCat squirts saline solution up his nose
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09:50<JshWright>amitz: southeast Asia, right?
09:51<HoopyCat>gotta go prod the simulators a bit before class, bbl!
09:51<amitz>just googled, interesting about the advantage of saline inside nose. JshWright: yeah.
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09:52<amitz>JshWright: stuff like rice, if not stored properly, can go bad in one day.
09:53<JshWright>amitz: yeah, I spent a couple weeks in Indonesia (Papua)
09:53<JshWright>getting off the airplane (extremely dry air-conditioned air) in Jakarta was like walking into a wall of water
09:54<JshWright>it honestly took me a second or two to convince myself to inhale
09:54<amitz>JshWright: yeah, you told me before. Is papua more humid than Jakarta?
09:55<JshWright>no, Papua was better, higher elevation
09:56<amitz>US is very dry for many Indonesians. I saw many serious case of skin problem in Indonesian's who went to US.
09:57<JshWright>I belive it... if your skin is used to that kind of humidity, it's gotta be a real shock
09:57<amitz>well, not that serious. Usually extreme case of acne :-p
09:58<JshWright>My parents just took in a Chin refugee from Myanmar, and the climate is certainly taking some adjustment
09:58<JshWright>they live in the northeastern US
09:58<amitz>weird. Some people got serious acne in US but not in Indonesia. But there are people who have them the other way around.
09:59<amitz>JshWright: woah, how do your parents take in a refugee? They know the refugee?
09:59<JshWright>amitz: through a goverment organization
09:59<bhankins>I think we could match any nation's humidity here in Oklahoma.
10:00<JshWright>when their three kids moved out (I'm the oldest, my youngest sister just moved out over the summer)
10:00<JshWright>they had three bedrooms they weren't using, so they contacted the local branch of a governement organization that places refugee minors in foster homes
10:00<JshWright>so now I have 3 younger brothers :)
10:01<amitz>bhankins: http://travel.theage.com.au/Jakarta/Weather
10:02<amitz>JshWright: oh, you mean they don't have their parents with them? How?
10:02<amitz>bhankins: http://www.cityrating.com/cityhumidity.asp?City=Oklahoma+City
10:03<bhankins>Hmm 95%, we are at 88%
10:03<bhankins>pretty close.
10:03<JshWright>well, I actually have to be a little vague there for security reasons, but suffice it to say their parents are either deceased, or for one reason or another unable to care for their kids
10:03<bhankins>http://www.newson6.com/Global/category.asp?C=112040&nav=menu682_3
10:04<bhankins>Do the refugees become citizens?
10:04<JshWright>well, they can apply for citizenship like anyone else
10:04<JshWright>they are pretty much assured political asylum though
10:05<amitz>JshWright: oh, enough hint there ;-)
10:06<amitz>maybe I should apply for asylum too. Then you'll have one more little brother :-p
10:07<JshWright>I don't know how much you know about the state of the Chin in Myanmar, but it's not a terribly friendly place for them right now..
10:08<bhankins>I heard most of Burma was messed up.
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10:09<amitz>It supposed to be the most repressive government? Not comparable to N.Korea since there is little info on north korea?
10:09<JshWright>That's my understanding...
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10:13<JshWright>Current temperature: 7°C, Current humidity: 62%
10:14<JshWright>my kind of weather :)
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10:16<amitz>I remembered the story of some people who abused asylum visa. They claimed they were persecuted because their gay. But they didn't pass the _test_, whataever that was hahaha.
10:17<amitz>JshWright: woah, my ideal weather must be more than 20C! Less than 25C. Humidity hmm... I don't really know what's my ideal humidity.
10:18<OsAC>hi, I have created in preparation to move my domain(cicmir.com) to linode dns servers, created master and now trying to create slave , it says me that my domain allready exists in linode database
10:18<JshWright>25C is _way_ too warm...
10:18<OsAC>do I need not to create slave zone?
10:18<@caker>OsAC: it's one or the other. Why create a slave if you already have it as a master
10:19<@caker>OsAC: slave requires you (or someone) run a DNS server that Linode slaves to. Is that what you want?
10:19<OsAC>no want linode to be master
10:19<@caker>OsAC: a master means that you use Linode's DNS interface to define the zone and it's records.
10:19<OsAC>yes
10:19<@caker>*its
10:19<Karrde>ttp://www.mofahaimages.com/b3ta/apostrophe_stickers.jpg
10:19<Karrde>er
10:19<Karrde>http://www.mofahaimages.com/b3ta/apostrophe_stickers.jpg
10:19*caker sippy sips that there coffee
10:20<OsAC>kinda confused ... I do need atleast 2 dns servers for domain, master and slave?
10:21<JshWright>no
10:21<@caker>OsAC: create it as master, and then you get ns1-4.linode.com as the DNS servers ... use those at your registrar
10:21<@caker>http://library.linode.com/linode-manager/configuring-dns-with-the-linode-manager
10:21<OsAC>did that, so everything should be ok than
10:21<@caker>read that
10:21<JshWright>you need primary and secondary nameservers, but they're both "masters"
10:22<OsAC>aaaaa I c
10:22<OsAC>thank you :-)
10:23<OsAC>now just to change at registrar to point to linode1-4 , thank you again for help :-)
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10:24<fwermus>is there a way to kown which ips were accessing to my server?
10:24<OsAC>netstat -a
10:25<JshWright>fwermus: what services?
10:29<theblackbox>what is the standard procedure for dealing with vhosts and sub-domains/sub-servers? I'm having a little trouble getting my head around it
10:29<fwermus>http service
10:29<fwermus>some who want to access through internet to my tomcat
10:29<array>fwermus: check the access log in /var/log/apache2
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10:31<fwermus>thanks
10:36<theblackbox>so, I have a registered domainname.com and I would like to set up a server at server2.domainname.com for instance... but I'm just struggling to figure out what is responsible for directing traffic toward the server? I figured my registrar points to linode, which points to the top-level domain which should then resolve down to the server / sub-server ? but I think I'm getting a step mixed up here somewhere
10:36<JshWright>you got domainname.com? wow... ;p
10:37<array>theblackbox: have you pointed your domain to the Linode nameservers?
10:37*theblackbox employs and infinite number of chimps .....
10:37<JshWright>theblackbox: you'll need a DNS A record somewhere that points server2.domainname.com
10:37<theblackbox>array, yes
10:37<JshWright>to the proper IP
10:37<@caker>huh .. a whois on domainname.com does weird things
10:38<JshWright>do you have an A record (or cname) setup for server2.domainname.com
10:38<@caker>oh, it hit more than one record ?? (weird)
10:38<theblackbox>JshWright, but the server/sub-server are on the same box
10:38<JshWright>theblackbox: ok, so?
10:38<theblackbox>I'm pretty sure it set up an A record pointing to the same ip
10:39<JshWright>that would work just fine
10:39<theblackbox>hmm...
10:39<theblackbox>no need to wait for propagation?
10:39<JshWright>theblackbox: this would be much easier if you told us the actual domain name in question
10:40<JshWright>(which has been the point of all the jokes about domainname.com)
10:40<theblackbox>JshWright, ;) I'm just gonna start from scratch to make sure I didn't miss anything
10:40<Solver>whois example.com :)
10:40<theblackbox>I'll be back in 5
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10:45<theblackbox>right, so I got deityproject.com pointing to a pre-config drupal setup
10:45<theblackbox>and I would like to add ucan.deityproject.com and grannyherb.deityproject.com as sub-servers.... each with their own drupal pre-config
10:46<JshWright>but running on the same server, right?
10:46<bhankins>cname
10:46<theblackbox>JshWright, sorry, what is it you are asking?
10:46<theblackbox>ahh, sorry I read /name/ server
10:46<theblackbox>yes /same/ server
10:47<JshWright>yeah, so you either need to setup A records pointing those to the same IP, or cnames point them to deityproject.com
10:47<theblackbox>and in the .hosts file associated with the domain I have a record stating: grannyherb.deityproject.com IN A 72.14.183.231
10:49<array>theblackbox: so all those domains will be sharing the same IP and you just want each of the subdomains to direct you to a different drupal page? you'll need to setup virtualname's in apache
10:49<theblackbox>array, done, but to a different drupal /installation/ not just a page
10:50<theblackbox>virtual hosts are working fine and dandy it seems, got virtualmin on the case and setting them up in /hom/$hostname/public_html/drupal for instance
10:50<theblackbox>*/home
10:51<theblackbox>so I want /home/$hostname/$subdomain/public_html/drupal
10:51<theblackbox>which is getting set up as one would expect in the httpd-vhosts.conf
10:52<theblackbox>but it's not resolving grannyherb.deityproject.com to a linode server? at least this is my suspicion?
10:52<bhankins>I don't show dns working for grannyherb or ucan
10:52<bhankins>Are you using that dns manager on the linode website?
10:52<theblackbox>ucan isn't set up.... will do that one in a bit
10:52<theblackbox>bhankins, no I haven't been using that
10:53<theblackbox>didn't want to overcomplicate what was handling what, and assumed virtualmin/webmin to have a hand in that
10:54<array>ahh i see
10:54<bhankins>ahh
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10:55<array>im pretty sure you can serve multiple sites on the one drupal install (if you wanted to), but i'm not familiar with it
10:55<litwol|mac>did i hear drupal ?
10:56<theblackbox>yes... you can... but for dev purposes I want to keep these in diff clean rooms ;)
10:56<litwol|mac>who needs help with drupal ?
10:56<array>theblackbox: grannyherb.* doesn't seem to have updated on the linode nameservers yet either, but i believe that can take up to 15 minutes
10:56<theblackbox>these may well be incorporated into a multisite drupal installis there a way to double check this .hosts file is actually being read? because it has an ftp record set up for the top-level server
10:56*litwol|mac is drupal jedi master
10:56<theblackbox>bah, sorry ignore that gobledygook =S
10:56<theblackbox>litwol|mac, good to know ;)
10:57<theblackbox>array, I thought this might be the case!
10:57<Dianoga>theblackbox: You could setup a wildcard dns record so you don't have to wait for future subdomains...
10:59<theblackbox>my idea is that a multisite drupal install is well and good for me momma bear, who's not exactly tech savvy, but for someone who would use more of the servers potential, I would prefer to give them the ability to set up their own sub-servers inside a vhost and virtualmin seems good for this
10:59<theblackbox>not just sub-servers but other features besides
10:59<theblackbox>Dianoga, I'll keep that in mind, cheers
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11:00<litwol|mac>theblackbox: the way i handled it is a wildcard subdomin A record
11:01<litwol|mac>[a-z0-9]*.mysite.com
11:01<litwol|mac>pretty easy
11:01<litwol|mac>theblackbox: drupal has modules that enable you to automatically setup all appropriate server folders once a request is made to a non-existent subdomain
11:02<litwol|mac>i dont use that though, i've setup a vhost (nginx) that uses root path like so /var/www/drupal/$subdomain
11:02<litwol|mac>or go to a default one if $sub doesnt exit
11:02<litwol|mac>exist
11:02<theblackbox>litwol|mac, ahhh, yes this is the way I've had it set up in the past
11:03<theblackbox>my thing here is to separate my own multisite drupal install from a friend who can't afford hosting but wants to give it a shot ;)
11:03<theblackbox>I'm nice and could do with the learning curve
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11:05<theblackbox>litwol|mac, sorry, where do you have this wildcard A record?
11:05<litwol|mac>theblackbox: well, i dont know how to do it with apache. quite frankly i hold very bad opinion of it, but you may not... anyhow. my choice of weapon is nginx
11:05<litwol|mac>theblackbox: so it's easy to setup dynamic root based on some domain name or subdomain or w/e
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11:06<litwol|mac>theblackbox: /var/www/$domainname
11:06<theblackbox>hmmm... I'll keep that in mind
11:06<litwol|mac>theblackbox: in the DNS manager
11:06<warewolf>meh
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11:06<litwol|mac>damn that ip access check is annoying
11:06<warewolf>having webserver-writable document root is an easy way to get your website defaced when someone owns your webserver.
11:06<theblackbox>ahh, excellent, cheers
11:06<litwol|mac>warewolf: context ?
11:06<warewolf>11:01 < litwol|mac> theblackbox: drupal has modules that enable you to automatically setup all appropriate server folders once a request is made to a non-existent subdomain
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11:07<litwol|mac>warewolf: yeah. these guys know security so i'm sure they got something figured out
11:07<warewolf>if drupal, running under the webserver can create directories, then when someone owns drupal (or php, or whatever) they can overwrite your homepage.
11:07<litwol|mac>warewolf: like "dont allow any writes unless proper ssh/ftp credentials were entered"
11:07<warewolf>litwol|mac: uuuuuh. I wouldn't count on that.
11:07<warewolf>litwol|mac: er, no it doesn't work that way.
11:08<litwol|mac>warewolf: did you use those modules ?
11:08<litwol|mac>or do you refer to this from just generic point ?
11:08<warewolf>referring from a generic security background where wordpress/etc get compromised and someone's website turns into goatse.cx.
11:08<litwol|mac>warewolf: to be fair, i didnt use them either. i was just saying they exist :-p
11:09<litwol|mac>warewolf: oh wp. lets not talk about wp :)
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11:09<litwol|mac>i run wp on separate server away from my drupal installs... just a point what i think of it's security
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11:10<@mikegrb>lolz
11:10<theblackbox>lol, not used wp
11:10<litwol|mac>theblackbox: yeah so in your DNS manager create A record with * host name and point it to your IP
11:10<litwol|mac>theblackbox: after it propagates you will be able to ahve asdfhapoeirhqpoer.mysite.com resolve just fine :)
11:11<theblackbox>litwol|mac, I appreciate the help
11:11<litwol|mac>cheers
11:11<warewolf>!dns erfaerfsdfarefaxdfaerfaeraf.richardharman.com
11:11<linbot>warewolf: 67.18.92.146
11:11<warewolf>^ example of wildcard working :)
11:11<litwol|mac>cool
11:12<theblackbox>litwol|mac, you around on freenode? just in case you aren't there's a pretty active #drupal* community there
11:12<litwol|mac>theblackbox: ;)
11:12<litwol|mac>theblackbox: i meant when i said i'm a jedi master when it comes to drupal
11:13<litwol|mac>if you're around new york area you are more than welcome to join the monthly meetup that i organize
11:13<theblackbox>=P just spotted you in #d
11:14<theblackbox>I'm other side of the pond, unfortunately
11:14<litwol|mac>ah. well i'm sure there's something local there too.
11:14<bhankins>A monthly drupal meetup?
11:14<theblackbox>hmmm... not so.... I'm kinda in the stix and can't drive so irc is my life!!
11:15<litwol|mac>bhankins: yep :). we've outgrown the "monthly" meetup so we started branching out to "every 2 weeks meetup"
11:15<litwol|mac>bhankins: in new york at least
11:15*theblackbox intends to get something sorted round here one of these days (shakes fist at the sky)
11:15<bhankins>wow, that is impressive.
11:16<litwol|mac>bhankins: http://groups.drupal.org/new-york-city
11:16<litwol|mac>:)
11:16<litwol|mac>dont know if you can see without logging in. but we have 874 members with 40-60 monthly turnout rates
11:17<theblackbox>bah, that's the stuff of dreams =(
11:17<litwol|mac>Well if you physically cannot attend, you are more than welcome to join drupal channels on freenode
11:17<litwol|mac>we practically have tug-o-wars going there on who gets to help the new people :)
11:18<litwol|mac>for the curious, more information on drupal IRC channels can be found here: http://drupal.org/irc
11:18<theblackbox>yeah, I've been a lurker for a good few years now ;) not had anything worth getting involved for but a few things atm are starting to demand more from me
11:18*bhankins looks around for a tiki mettup.
11:19<theblackbox>about this wildcard dns entry.... just *.deityproject.com? it doesn't seem to like this? says it's invalid
11:19<litwol|mac>theblackbox: literally just '*'
11:19<litwol|mac>in the A record
11:20<theblackbox>ahh, of course
11:20<litwol|mac>theblackbox: are you on apache or ...
11:20<litwol|mac>?
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11:21<theblackbox>yep
11:21<theblackbox>apache
11:21<litwol|mac>Any chance i can 'suade you to try something, for a lack of a better word, /better/?
11:22<theblackbox>I'm pretty sure you could... depends how much _work_ /better/ *is*
11:22*theblackbox gets out the grammar cannon
11:23<theblackbox>nginx by any chance? ;)
11:23<litwol|mac>well. its like any other toy, you need to learn it's functions. but your bootstrap phase will be very quick, documentation is superb and community is also very helpful
11:23<litwol|mac>theblackbox: oh ho! you're a mind reader :)
11:23<litwol|mac>theblackbox: so lets see. memory consumption is a fraction that of apache
11:24<litwol|mac>theblackbox: design is asynchronous so your requests are satisfied faster than sync on apache (that is for no other reason than "by design")
11:24<Yaakov>999/1000?
11:25<litwol|mac>Yaakov: doyou want artificial benchmark results or every-day results ?
11:25<litwol|mac>:p
11:25*linbot dispenses cups
11:25<warewolf>hah
11:25<theblackbox>okay, so you've peaked my interest.... nod the acid test.... is there a nginx slackbuild ;)
11:25<warewolf>so you can trigger stuff in #linode via /msg.
11:25<theblackbox>s/nod/now
11:25<warewolf>!chess
11:25<linbot>Knight to B4
11:26<litwol|mac>theblackbox: hmm i dont know. but compiling it is trivial
11:26<bhankins>Is it hard to get perl or python scripting going with nginx?
11:26<Yaakov>"piqued"
11:26<Nivex>!globalthermonuclearwar
11:26<theblackbox>litwol|mac, it's more a matter of peer review than ease of install ;)
11:26<litwol|mac>theblackbox: i can walk you through it if you want help, i dont mind at all. i sit on freenode #nginx and help ot alot (that's how i learned
11:26<litwol|mac>)
11:26<theblackbox>Yaakov, I stand corrected
11:26<Yaakov>You should sit while typing.
11:27<theblackbox>who says I'm typing?
11:27<linbot>Strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
11:27<Yaakov>theblackbox: Since litwol|mac is willing to own all your problems, I would say get a signed committment and switch!
11:27<litwol|mac>theblackbox: depends on which sources you beliee, nginx is used by 2% of all world traffic or 4%. that's as much peer review as you'll get :)
11:27<@mikegrb>lolz
11:27<theblackbox>lol
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11:28<middlepath>hi
11:28<litwol|mac>theblackbox: try #nginx on freenode
11:28<theblackbox>sweet, auto build package ready to rock.... hmmm....
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11:28<middlepath>if i have a server with linode and using wpmu, bbpress buddypress are there any advantages to lighttpd and nginx
11:28<Yaakov>theblackbox: You should use lighttd.
11:29<Yaakov>theblackbox: You should use lighttPd.
11:29<litwol|mac>Yaakov: ugh?
11:29<litwol|mac>Yaakov: since when did they fix memory leaks ?
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11:30<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Them's fighting words!
11:30<litwol|mac>takethe best part from lighttpd, which is spawn_fcgi, and RUNNNNNNNNN
11:30<Yaakov> I just use Apache and turn off keep alives. But I don't have high traffic except occasionally.
11:31<path>i use keepalives for 1 sec
11:31<orudie>quick question - in gimp, when i do free hand select, how can i apply color to the selection ?
11:33<bhankins>does nginx support .htaccess files?
11:34<theblackbox>orudie, use the paint bucket tool, or to the line itself? you should convert to a path and then path to stroke and set up the tool to do the stroke you're after
11:35<orudie>theblackbox: i just figured it out, its drag the color from the toolbar to the selection, thanx
11:35<theblackbox>ah
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11:44<litwol|mac>bhankins: it doesn't. .htaccess files are stupid and yet another reason why apache is slow.
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11:45<bhankins>hehe ok, I was asking because that is the same answer I got from lighthttpd
11:45<Auzy>Was just about to mention lighttpd
11:45<Auzy>...
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11:47<bhankins>since I was changing hosting providers and just started setting everything up, it seemed like a good time to try out different webservers.
11:48<oberoc2>Could somebody give me a hand on install postgres on 9.04. I'm getting a perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
11:49<bhankins>apt-get install locale
11:49<amitz>have you apt-get install locales . <-- guessing
11:49<bhankins>maybe
11:49<Auzy>I settled on Lighttpd personally bhankins.. Its worth moving away from Apache
11:49<Auzy>If you have a lot of time..
11:49<oberoc2>let me try that
11:49<oberoc2>yup
11:50<Auzy>but be aware that you might need to do some research if you use drupal, because drupal expects the htaccess file to work
11:50<bhankins>Is that pretty easy to get perl and python scripting running on Auzy?
11:50<bhankins>I don't use drupal.
11:50<oberoc2>already try that :)
11:50<Auzy>I dont use either on my server.. should be though..
11:50<Auzy>getting php working was easy
11:50<oberoc2>any env settings that I should set?
11:51<bhankins>I think after you install locales, you might need to do a: dpkg reconfigure locales.
11:52<bhankins>or something like that.
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11:52<bhankins>one se
11:52<straterr1>Any of you LVM gurus?
11:52<Karrde>apt-get install locales and generate your locales when it asks.
11:52<Auzy>The hardest part is fixing the small things bhankins, that get in the way, and maybe working out the configuration file if you have many sites..
11:52<straterr1>I'm just wondering if you can do striping with LVM using different sized disks
11:52<oberoc2>thanks spacehobo
11:55<bhankins>here is something on the locales thing: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4113&highlight=locales
11:57<bhankins>I ran into that right after my debian install yesterday.
11:59<bhankins>alrighty, I have nginx on port 81, apache on 80, and I guess I will put lighthttpd on 82 and then I can point them all to the same server root and give them a comparison.
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11:59<@mikegrb>lolz
11:59<theblackbox>lol
12:01<litwol|mac>bhankins: i did the same :)
12:01<litwol|mac>though i didnt bother testing lighttpd
12:02<bhankins>hehe ok
12:02<litwol|mac>i have no good technical reason to backup that choice
12:02<litwol|mac>so /dont/ take my word for not using it :)
12:02<bhankins>Sounds good, hehe.
12:02<litwol|mac>im running to staff meeting. brb
12:02<linbot>Backups are in free beta in certain DCs (including newark). See http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4067 for details.
12:02<litwol|mac>my last 2 here, since i quit :-D
12:02<litwol|mac>mwuahahahah
12:02<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/
12:02*theblackbox is setting up nginx now too =D
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12:04<jd`>hello
12:04<theblackbox>greetings
12:04<jd`>is there a standard way to have a directory where only permissions under that directory are set a particular way for new files/dirs?
12:04<jd`>kinda like umask, but for a single dir
12:04<jd`>6755 seems a little risky
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12:05<laser`>Hmm, perhaps look at the sticky bit?
12:05<laser`>I forget exactly what that does
12:07<jd`>sticky bit means only the owner of a file can delete it
12:07<Pryon>do 'man chmod' and search or 'RESTRICTED DELETION'
12:07<jd`>i don't want restricted deletion
12:07<jd`>i want members of a group to be able to modify the directory as they need, even if they forget to chmod 775 of 664
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12:09<orudie>with dovecot/postfix how can i block a specific @domain ?
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12:15<orudie>i keep getting spam from this one domain
12:19<Yaakov>orudie: Do you use a dnsbl?
12:20<orudie>Yaakov: nope, i think i just remember I can do this with spamassasin whitelist
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12:21<orudie>Yaakov: or not ?
12:21<Yaakov>orudie: I am using the Spamhaus ZEN list and it is extremely effective.
12:21<Yaakov>I don't bother with Spam Assassin.
12:22<orudie>actually, spam Assassin had been working really well for me
12:23<Yaakov>With ZEN I never get the mail in the first place, and it hardly uses any resources.
12:23<Pryon>take a look at the configuration parameter smtpd_sender_restrictions
12:23*Yaakov trivializes Pryon.
12:23<Pryon>I'm almost certain you can feed it a table of hosts/domains from which you don't accept mail
12:24<Pryon>Yaakov: too late!
12:24<rainman`>are you really sure you wabnt to include PBL space in dropping?
12:25<Yaakov>So far I have had excellent success, no problems at all.
12:25<rainman`>how do you know? if you drop my mail, you won't notice
12:25<Yaakov>rainman`: So?
12:26<Yaakov>I have never had anyone complain to me that I did not recieve their mail, and I have no interest in unsolicited email, so...
12:26<rainman`>how would people complain?
12:26<rainman`>you're dropping their mail
12:26<Yaakov>rainman`: On the phone.
12:26<Yaakov>Or, on IRC, or AIM.
12:26<Yaakov>Or, in person.
12:26<rainman`>do you drop or bounce?
12:26<Pryon>rejects ast stmp level
12:27<Pryon>s/ast/at/
12:27<rainman`>ah, then at least sender will know
12:27<Yaakov>Yes, I reject the mail.
12:27*rainman` particularly hates the hotmail method
12:27<Pryon>what do they do, accept and then throw the message in the bit bucket?
12:27<Yaakov>And the likelyhood that someone I care about is going to be using SMTP from their broadband user connection is vanishingly small.
12:28<rainman`>Pryon, yes
12:28<rainman`>peter-, no hint of which messages are delivered, no hint of why messages are blackholed
12:28<rainman`>Yaakov, you don't care about me :(
12:28*rainman` slaps the tab button
12:28<Pryon>he's a cyborg, what do you expect?
12:28<Yaakov>rainman`: I must admit, vis-à-vis email, you are correct.
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12:29<rainman`>but if you pay my plain ticket, i could get you FIVE MILLION US DOLLARS :>
12:29<rainman`>er, plane
12:29*rainman` is still slightly sleep deprived
12:29<Yaakov>Considering that the VAST AND OVERWHELMING majority of mail coming from user connections is spam, I feel good about it.
12:29<Pryon>I'm glad I'm not the only one with a finger impediment
12:30<Pryon>impediment is probably exactly the wrong word there
12:30<Pryon>Unless I am using the yellow pages
12:31<Yaakov>To touch type with all his fingers Pryon has to include his nose.
12:31<litwol|mac>back!
12:31<orudie> hi, how can i blacklist a specific domain with spam assassin? lets say *.@domain.com ?
12:32<Yaakov>HAI HOW ARE YOU?
12:32<orudie>mazaltov !
12:32<litwol|mac>Oh hai! i r quittage my jobz!
12:33<Pryon>orudie: wouldn't it be easier to disallow the connection using your MTA? check out http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_recipient_restrictions
12:34<Pryon>orudie: replace recipient with sender. Sorry!
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13:06<randallman>so....
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13:07<randallman>I have what I believe to be a '0 day DoS' for Weblogic 10.3 on RHEL5.x
13:07<randallman>What to do, what to do :)
13:07<randallman>I could release it and make a huge shit storm.
13:07<randallman>wonder if that would violate my Oracle TOS
13:07<path>can you block it if used against you?
13:07<randallman>Im working on an F5 iRule
13:07<randallman>to eat the bad request(s)
13:08<path>well, if you release it, they'll fix it faster
13:08<randallman>That was my thought :0
13:08<path>you could give them until the end of the month
13:08<path>if you found it, then others might eventually?
13:09<path>maybe :)
13:09<randallman>Heh :0
13:09<randallman>How many *huge* companies are running weblogic 10.3 for f's sakes
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13:09<randallman>Oh, Zorch reached out to me man
13:10<path>no idea
13:10<randallman>he's still in prescott, AZ ;0
13:10<randallman>Apparently living it up...
13:10<path>cool
13:10<randallman>No idea what he's doing for a living
13:10<path>hopefully not a subcontractor for verizon ;)
13:13<randallman>heh
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14:04<rana>any support person here?
14:04<Karrde>!ask
14:04<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
14:04<linbot>New news from forums: New processors at Linode? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4538>
14:04<Karrde>!ops
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14:04<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
14:05<rana>is there any restriction on softwares like java, git etc that i can't install on my linode server?
14:05<compwhizii>No
14:06<@caker>rana: no restrictions
14:06<erikh>randallman: a lot of big software houses have addresses to report those kind of issues, even a public key to encrypt to
14:06<erikh>as I understand it, that's the polite way of dealing with things
14:06<rana>can i choose my data center location?
14:06<erikh>full-disclosure usually is the last resort
14:07<@caker>rana: yes
14:07<straterr1>I've come up with a way to creatively tell the gf what I want..
14:07<straterr1>http://twitpic.com/l9wxp
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14:08<rana>How do i check the system health ? do u provide any monitoring tool or something?
14:08*compwhizii wonders what system health is
14:08<erikh>hmm.... an emailing lassie would be nice
14:08<rana>like monit... or i have to do it myself.?
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14:08<erikh>(or does it already exist?)
14:08<straterra>Do it yourself
14:08<@caker>the same way you would on any other box. However, we do provide cpu, disk io, and network io graphs -- and we have an alert system that emails you when certain thresholds are reached
14:08<straterra>You can use nagios or zenoss
14:09<erikh>i've heard good things about zabbix too
14:09<straterra>I'm extremely happy with zenoss
14:09<rana>cool... i'll try one on my local box first...
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14:09<erikh>straterra: what's the advantage over nagios?
14:10<straterra>It does graphing too
14:10<erikh>oh, neat.
14:10<straterra>It's also a bit more sophisticated with its checks..and schedules
14:10<fwermus>hi, what is RootDeviceNum out of bounds or the specified position doesn't contain a valid DiskID?
14:10<rana>How to i restart machine if am not able to access it using SSH etc because system is under load or hanged bcoz of some reason?
14:10<straterra>It does all the things nagios should have done..but didn't
14:10<erikh>I reached for zabbix first (because it monitors windows too), until I found a NRPE server for windows
14:11<erikh>we're entrenched with nagios, but we're hiring a new sysadmin, maybe he'll have time for that stuff.
14:11<straterra>zenoss does windows too :P
14:11<compwhizii>rana: You can reboot it via the web panel
14:11<straterra>I like using it to graph/monitor specific processes..it'll graph individual process cpu/memory usage and such
14:12<Peng_>rana: You can also reboot it via lish if you want to.
14:12<Peng_>!f lish
14:12<linbot>Peng_: Lish provides out of band access to your Linode and is especially helpful if you locked yourself out or botched network settings. We also offer web-based console access from within the Linode Manager.
14:12<straterra>and if you don't have time to convert over a custom nagios rule..you can natively load nagios plugins in to it
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14:13<erikh>ooh
14:13<erikh>I like that.
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14:18<innociv>the heck.. mysql is failing to start
14:18<innociv>when i haven't relaly changed anything
14:19<Karrde>it was me
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14:19<innociv>how should i debug it/
14:20<Karrde>try to restart it and look at the error message
14:20<innociv> * Starting MySQL database server mysqld [fail]
14:20<innociv>that's it..
14:20<innociv>No error
14:20<Karrde>inspect the system logs
14:20<straterra>pparadis: you about?
14:20<innociv>which?
14:20<Karrde>the regular ones
14:20<Karrde>what distro?
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14:21<innociv>ubuntu
14:21<Karrde>/var/log/syslog
14:21<@pparadis>innociv: /var/log/mysql ?
14:21<@pparadis>and syslog
14:21<erikh>syslog or messages, yeah
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14:22<jackc>(psst: did newark toast?)
14:22<Karrde>no
14:22<innociv>the heck now i can't connect
14:22<jackc>Karrde: can you hit anna.crepinc.com?
14:22<Karrde>anna kicked me off
14:23<innociv>no network to my linode
14:23<Karrde>I can't ping it if that's what you mean
14:23<Karrde>but this machine is in Newark
14:23<jackc>Karrde: what host machine
14:23<jackc>im on newark01
14:23<Karrde>newark9
14:23<erikh>Karrde: can you hit it with lish?
14:23<jackc>iirc
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14:23<jackc>innociv: what host machine
14:23<Karrde>!ping newark1.linode.com
14:23<linbot>pong
14:23<innociv>don't know. georgia one
14:23<jackc>interesting
14:23<Karrde>erikh: jackc, not me
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14:23<erikh>ah
14:23<Karrde>!mtr newark1.linode.com
14:23<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark or dallas.
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14:23<@pparadis>innociv: how does free disk space look?
14:24<Karrde>!mtr-newark newark1.linode.com
14:24<linbot>Karrde: (101, 'Network is unreachable')
14:24<@caker>we're working on newark1 now.
14:24<Karrde>sound the alarm
14:24<Karrde>oh
14:24<innociv>fine. More than 20gb
14:24<Karrde>don't sound the alarm
14:24<@pparadis>innociv: what about
14:24<innociv>it started now
14:24<@pparadis>innociv: what about "df -i" ?
14:24<innociv>seems to work now.
14:26<innociv>my linode was unreachable, and something besides lighttpd on port 80 it seemed, then mysql wouldn't restart. Now it's mysteriously fine.
14:26<innociv>lost connection to linode again a few minutes ago
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14:31<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: newark1 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4719>
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14:39<atambo>when I tried registering for the linode forums I got some smtp errors and never got my activation link
14:39<@caker>atambo: username?
14:39<atambo>atambo
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14:45<@caker>atambo: ok, your account should be active now
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14:46<atambo>thanks
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15:00<straterra>Is there a guide somewhere on getting Linode to slave to bind?
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15:04<coax->straterra you mean setting up a slave dns server?
15:04<straterra>No..and I found what I needed
15:05<coax->:)
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15:15<straterra>Hmm
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15:30<straterra>Now..to wait the agonizing 15 minutes
15:30<Peng_>Or like 1 minute.
15:30<Peng_>If you got it in before this update.
15:30<thelongmile>im having trouble, my page file usage just topped out and killed the linode, but it took 52 days to do it, however my memory usage and page file usage both seem very high, any quick hints? Running debian 5.0 64bit, and apache2
15:30<straterra>i did
15:31*straterra eyes the "n/a" for Last Generated on the domains
15:31<straterra>Peng_: Make it work
15:31<straterra>thelongmile: you're running a 64-bit OS..
15:31<straterra>64-bit OSs take more memory
15:32<thelongmile>agreed however this seems to be much higher than usual, can i give you an output
15:32<straterra>Pastebin.ca it
15:33<thelongmile>http://www.pastebin.ca/1616227
15:33<thelongmile>at the moment the swap file is empty but it seems to start building, after 52 days it simply ran out of available swap file and just... froze
15:33<straterra>Have you tuned apache/mysql at all?
15:34<Pryon>That smells very much like a memory leak
15:34<thelongmile>straterra: i have tweaked one or two settings like turning keep alives off but im afraid i dont know where else to go
15:34<thelongmile>Pryon: my thoughts exactly
15:34<thelongmile>cacti reports Just before it crased there were over 200 processes in the send queue
15:34<thelongmile>in the run queue
15:35<erikh>hmm
15:35<erikh>is your httpd configured to reap down to x number of processes/threads when they're no longer needed?
15:35<Pryon>If you're hitting swap at all, though, it's cause for some concern
15:35<thelongmile>i can provide you with an output from cacti if you would lke, it's quite suggen how it just...WENT
15:35<thelongmile>erikh: i have keep alives turned off, i thought that was suppost to avoid that?
15:36<Peng_>straterra: Slave zones are never generated.
15:36<erikh>IIRC (i'd have to look it up) there's a directive for max idle processes
15:36<erikh>basically so you have so many hot and ready to handle transactions
15:36<erikh>but configured in a way to not keep a bunch of wasted processes open
15:37<straterra>Peng_: So..I just query it to see if its working?
15:37<thelongmile>i think i know what your referring too
15:37<erikh>it could also be something like: you're running fcgi and your fcgi procs are going zombie on you
15:37<erikh>which is actually a lot more likely
15:37<Peng_>straterra: Yeah.
15:37<thelongmile>are you referring to max clients?
15:37*Peng_ /away!
15:37<erikh>that's a hard max
15:38<thelongmile>ive never seen any zombies at all
15:38<thelongmile>fcgi? not sure what that is
15:38<adj>MinSpareServers
15:38<Peng_>straterra: BTW, if you use notify, it doesn't update along the 15 minute intervals, but it's not instant either.
15:38<thelongmile>thats set to 5
15:38<erikh>adj: MaxSpare, but yes, that's right
15:38<straterra>Peng_: I do
15:38<erikh>just make sure that's not set to something silly like 0
15:38<adj>turn down timeout's, turn on keepalive, set it to a veey low number (5-10s)
15:38<straterra>Seems to be working
15:38<thelongmile>the min spare servers is set to 5, start servers 5, max spare is 7, max clients is 100 and requests per child is 0
15:39<erikh>hmm
15:39<erikh>thelongmile: no zombies at all?
15:39<erikh>not even httpd processes?
15:39<adj>set set min spare to 3-4, max to (mem avail for apache/avg mem used per apache)
15:39<thelongmile>the problem i was having with keep alives turned on is that pages would take up to 30 seconds to load
15:39<adj>server limit is max clients + min spare servers
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15:39<erikh>i could definitely see spare servers not being reaped when max req is 0
15:40<thelongmile>and no erikh never seen any zombies
15:40<erikh>and the httpd child goes zombie
15:40<thelongmile>we're not referring to min spare threads are we?
15:40<thelongmile>ive never changed anything in that
15:40<erikh>well, if you're using a worker-based apache2
15:40<adj>thelongmile: you are using worker?
15:41<thelongmile>sorry, i dont know what that is
15:41<erikh>most people use prefork though, especially if they have php or whatnot going.
15:41<erikh>(which means there are no threads)
15:41<adj>prefork is forking apache children, not spawning threads for connections.
15:41<adj>more overhead, but considerably more stable when using non thread-safe application code
15:42<erikh>thelongmile: try this: set your max req to 1000, or something similarly high, and see if you can trigger a flood of new processes by hammering the webserver
15:42<erikh>your # of procs shouldn't rise above 20 or so
15:42<thelongmile>as in max requests per child?
15:42<erikh>correct.
15:43<thelongmile>and leave keep alives off?
15:43<erikh>'siege' is a really good tool for beating on your webserver.
15:43<erikh>yeah, leave everything else alone.
15:43<thelongmile>ok, and where is siege?
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15:43<thelongmile>ok i've restarted apache and made the change
15:43<erikh>ubuntu has it in their package repo, but if not, type 'siege http benchmark' into google and it should be near the top
15:44<erikh>it will beat the living tar out of your webserver though... especially if configured right
15:44<thelongmile>hm, im on mac...
15:44<erikh>use a high concurrency (>10) if you have a machine that can do it
15:44<erikh>thelongmile: siege will work on a mac. I think macports even has it
15:44<erikh>it's a commandline tool.
15:45<thelongmile>that doesent worry me
15:45<erikh>you can also do it from the linode of course
15:45<erikh>but you'll probably have better results doing it from a separate machine if you have enough b/w to flood your box
15:45<adj>or just point me to the IP ;)
15:45<erikh>heh.
15:46<erikh>also, let it run for a few hours and check back on it
15:46<thelongmile>you want the ip, ill give you the ip
15:46<thelongmile>feel free 97.107.139.230
15:46<erikh>i don't have time for it, sorry... boss-man is already breathing down my neck as-is
15:46<straterra>Peng_: any way to force Bind to send the notifies?
15:46<straterra>I changed the serial
15:47<thelongmile>no probs but thans
15:47<adj>straterra: rndc reload domain.com
15:47<erikh>straterra: rndc reload?
15:47<thelongmile>actually im noticing already i have a tonne of apache processes
15:47<thelongmile>whats the grep command to search for apache?
15:47<straterra>Well...I did that, but it didnt log that it sent notifies
15:47<adj>ps aux | grep httpd
15:48<thelongmile>hm,
15:48<erikh>lsof or pgrep handle this a little better
15:48<thelongmile>if i do that grep for apache2 there are already 9 sessions
15:48<erikh>that's fine
15:49<erikh>we're looking for 20+
15:49<adj>ill hit you with ab to generate some load if you want
15:49<adj>short term load
15:49<thelongmile>ok sure
15:50<adj>there ya go
15:50<thelongmile>ok using 20meg of page file
15:50<thelongmile>30 meg
15:50<erikh>what linode are you on?
15:50<erikh>360?
15:50<adj>30 second test. 10 concurrent connections, all requesting keep alive
15:50<thelongmile>130148k used of page file
15:50<thelongmile>185524
15:50<adj>i got 22 hits in
15:50<erikh>you shouldn't even be hitting swap yet
15:51<adj>something is way wrong
15:51<thelongmile>nowat 262136k
15:51<thelongmile>swap is full
15:51<erikh>thelongmile: ps auxww | grep apache2 # paste to p.linode.com
15:51<thelongmile>no swap file free at all and main memory has 4032k free
15:51<erikh>also, paste the output of 'free' as well
15:52<thelongmile>ok heres the first http://pb.linode.com/3096
15:52<thelongmile>and the free command?
15:53<thelongmile>ps auxww | grep free?
15:53<Karrde>just run free
15:53<thelongmile>ah thanks
15:53*caker runs free
15:53<thelongmile>http://pb.linode.com/3097
15:53<thelongmile>this isnt looking good at all
15:54<thelongmile>i am running the basic linode
15:54*pparadis tells caker to put his clothes back on
15:54<@mikegrb>lolz
15:54<thelongmile>about the only thing i can think of at this stage is posting my apache2.conf and asking for some help lol
15:54<thelongmile>my swap btw now has 170k free...
15:55<thelongmile>ok restarting apache
15:56<thelongmile>thatll usually clear off some things
15:56<coax->anyone know the bash operator to replace what i type after the script? like ./script.sh <input> and i need input to be replaced in the script
15:56<erikh>holy shit
15:57<thelongmile>apache restarted, i now have a sensible amount of memory free
15:57<erikh>thelongmile: what modules are you running?
15:57<erikh>and what other software is on the box?
15:57<erikh>(services, etc)
15:57<thelongmile>ok lemme pastebin the mods-enabled folder
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15:58<thelongmile>http://pb.linode.com/3098
15:58<erikh>anyone in here using bucardo to replicate postgresql?
15:58<erikh>just wondering how stable it is
15:58<thelongmile>as for software, other than the standard stuff like mysql, php, sendmail, cacti's cron job
15:58<erikh>looks pretty nice if the documentation matches the real world
15:58<erikh>ok
15:59<erikh>you should look into mysql tuning.. I think you can find some helpful information on the linode wiki.
15:59<erikh>that'll increase your available ram by quite a bit
15:59<thelongmile>well actually right now since i've restarted the apache service
15:59<thelongmile>have a look at free
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16:00<erikh>yeah, apache was eating a shitload of ram
16:00<thelongmile>http://pb.linode.com/3099
16:00<erikh>are you actually using mod_python?
16:00<erikh>if not, pluck it.
16:00<erikh>additionally, what php apps are you running?
16:00<thelongmile>howd you mean
16:00<@caker>whut aps r u runin
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16:00<@mikegrb>lolz
16:00<thelongmile>lol
16:00<erikh>feh.
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16:00<thelongmile>im running a wordpress installation over two sites, ill disable mod_python now
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16:01<@caker>mai aps r bigr thaen u'r aps
16:01<erikh>caker: you should boot yourself on general principle
16:01<erikh>:P
16:01<@mikegrb>lolz
16:01<thelongmile>you got an ap for that lol
16:01<@caker>I ghot en ap 4 that
16:01<erikh>haha.
16:01<@caker>won sec
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16:01<thelongmile>hmm whats the a2 command to disable mod python
16:02<thelongmile>i have totally and utterly forgot
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16:02<thelongmile>i keep thinking a2dis mod
16:02<@caker>a2<tab><tab><tab><tab>
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16:02<thelongmile>thanks
16:03<erikh>thelongmile: look into the memory limit in php's configuration
16:03<erikh>see if you can lower it.. significantly
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16:03<erikh>your wordpress installations will complain loudly if they can't get at enough ram
16:03<thelongmile>ok
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16:03<thelongmile>its whining about my restarting so hold on
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16:04<thelongmile>hmm whats the memoryb limit on there
16:05<erikh>it should be in a file named something like /etc/php5/php.ini
16:05<thelongmile>od
16:05<thelongmile>timeout 300
16:05<thelongmile>keep alives off
16:05<erikh>not apache configuration
16:05<erikh>php configuration
16:05<thelongmile>OH
16:05<thelongmile>sorry
16:05<erikh>np :)
16:06<erikh>btw, a 360 is a really constrained environment to run a stack like that. consider moving up to a 540 (or whatever the next plan is these days)
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16:06<thelongmile>for three websites?
16:06<randallman>heh... Remember Gilda Radner? 'It just goes to show you.... It's always something' :P
16:06<thelongmile>memory limit is set toooo 128mb and exe...lemme pb it ok
16:07<erikh>yeah, set it to like.. 8M
16:07<thelongmile>http://pb.linode.com/3100
16:07<thelongmile>really? 8?
16:07<erikh>cuban necktie the wordpress maintainers if they require that much ram
16:07<erikh>yes, start there and work up
16:08<randallman>Remember when.... X11 ran awesome on 8MB of ram? With FVWM2 and XPM titlebar backgrounds and all that jazz
16:08<erikh>don't worry, wordpress will be quite vocal about it's inability to address enough ram
16:08<randallman>Netscape 4
16:08<@mikegrb>lolz
16:08<thelongmile>lol oh
16:08<randallman>Now, you cant even run a basic webpage in 8MB of ram :)
16:08<thelongmile>by vocal you mean not even loading :p
16:08<erikh>:)
16:09<erikh>double it, restart
16:09<erikh>continue this process until you have a viewable web page
16:09<erikh>do you have any addons on your wordpress installations?
16:09<thelongmile>plugins? yes
16:09<thelongmile>a afew
16:09<erikh>ok...
16:10<erikh>I'm willing to bet that one of them is the culprit... increasing to 128M per child is just insane
16:10<erikh>even for php.
16:10<thelongmile>ok the page loaded at 64mb
16:10<erikh>good.
16:10<erikh>now, if you can live with it, start removing plugins and lower that amount
16:10<thelongmile>ok
16:10<erikh>see which ones have the most drastic effect.
16:10<thelongmile>im just making sure the other site loads
16:11<thelongmile>yes
16:11<erikh>chances are there are one or two memory hog plugins in there
16:11<erikh>and removing those will greatly increase your chances of not hitting swap
16:11<thelongmile>ok
16:12<thelongmile>actually im using swap even now
16:12<erikh>well sure
16:12<thelongmile>23072
16:12<erikh>mysql is probably taking an unnecessarily large amount of ram
16:12<thelongmile>but i would expect a nominal amount of swap to be used
16:12<erikh>and 360M is not very much for a web stack.
16:12<thelongmile>ram wise?
16:12<erikh>yes
16:13<erikh>esp. when a DB lives on the same server.
16:13<thelongmile>ah
16:13<thelongmile>actually
16:13<thelongmile>i seem to have REALLY high memory use again
16:13<erikh>you can slim it down significantly though, so if you're willing to invest the effort you should be fine
16:13<erikh>thelongmile: 64M * number of apache children
16:13<erikh>keep that in mind.
16:13<erikh>that's your (roughly) base cost for apache by itself
16:14<thelongmile>can i possibly... output my apache2.conf and PB it, just in case you can see something hugely obvious i mised?
16:14<erikh>I really should be reading about postgresql replication :)
16:14<thelongmile>ah
16:14<thelongmile>btw
16:15<thelongmile>http://pb.linode.com/3101
16:15<thelongmile>does that look right?
16:15<thelongmile>for... near idle
16:15<erikh>but basically, the goal here is that you should be looking into minimizing per-process apache usage
16:15<erikh>and of course mysql usage
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16:15<erikh>and after all that, if you still need more ram, slim down the number of idle children apache keeps alive
16:15<thelongmile>ok
16:15<thelongmile>how about the number of threads
16:16<erikh>threads don't occur in a prefork environment.
16:16<thelongmile>becauuuuse this is off then
16:16<thelongmile>ooh wait never mind
16:16<thelongmile>max requests per child is still set to 1000
16:16<thelongmile>i assume that should be.... what, 5?
16:16<erikh>no
16:17<erikh>keep it high, or at 0
16:17<erikh>process spawning can kill you too.
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16:17<erikh>(after 1000 requests, the httpd process is torn down, and a new one is created if needed)
16:17<erikh>(set to 0, it is never torn down)
16:17<thelongmile>i have start at 5, min spare 5, max spare 7, max clients 100, max requests per child is 1000
16:17<thelongmile>max clients isn't right is it
16:18<thelongmile>bugger, how did you say to work that out again?
16:18<@caker>that MaxClients is a recipe for OOM
16:18<thelongmile>i also have this with threads ... http://pb.linode.com/3102
16:18<erikh>ah yeha
16:18<thelongmile>max clients, how would i work out an acceptable number
16:19<erikh>figure out how much ram you can allocate
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16:19<thelongmile>how do you mean
16:20<Peng_>How many Apache processes can you fit in RAM? That's your MaxClients setting.
16:20<thelongmile>ah, oh darn
16:21<thelongmile>looking at it, i think 15 is about it :s
16:21<@mikegrb>lolz
16:21<litwol|mac>dont fit _any_ processes into ram. What a waste of ram LOL
16:21<litwol|mac>i mean apache processes
16:22<thelongmile>i appear to be well at my maximum now
16:22<thelongmile>im in swap,
16:23<thelongmile>ok thats odd, i have 8 processes
16:23<thelongmile>that cant be right, surely as that would mean max clients would be 8
16:25<thelongmile>this still doesent look right
16:26<thelongmile>it just seems to be filling up the memory and then not actually emptying again
16:26<thelongmile>yeah memory is just getting bigger and bigger
16:27<thelongmile>shoudlnt this timeout?
16:27<thelongmile>and then the memory usage goes down again
16:27<thelongmile>this just seemt to go up or stay static, never down
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16:28<rainman`>nice, .se broken
16:28<rainman`>se. IN NS a.ns.se.se.
16:29<thelongmile>what?
16:29<rainman`>someone forgot the trailing dot in the .se zone
16:29<rainman`>so the .se zone now says the nameservers are x.ns.se.se. instead of x.ns.se.
16:29<rainman`>aka, broken badly
16:29<rainman`>and a 48-hour TTL
16:30<thelongmile>hey this is wierd
16:30<thelongmile>theres a workermpm section in apache
16:30<thelongmile>mac clients 150, start servers 2, threads per child etc
16:30<thelongmile>do i ened to do anything with these
16:32<thelongmile>?
16:32<erikh>your process size was gargantuan
16:33<thelongmile>hm?
16:33<erikh>I'm pretty sure they were using >200M, with little shared
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16:34<thelongmile>am i missing anything in here ? http://pb.linode.com/3103 erikh
16:35<randallman>gargantuan! :p
16:35<@caker>thelongmile: apache2 -V | grep MPM <-- will tell you which MPM you have installed
16:35<thelongmile>prefork
16:35<@caker>then ignore the other sections
16:36<thelongmile>ok
16:38<@mikegrb>lolz
16:38<thelongmile>gah i really need someone to go through the entire thing... lol sorry
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16:39<thelongmile>but, thank you for what youve told me so far, i just need to try and actually go through a tonne of it again
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16:51*rainman` sees .se slowly fixing themselves
16:54<thelongmile>woo
16:56<thelongmile>bah, ok, i'm out, thanks for your help all, im going to need to really get someone to look at this for me
16:57<thelongmile>many many thanks all
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18:04<Smark>could there be a reason why swap is not being recognized by my Linode? It is mounted as /dev/xvdc in the Profile, but htop shows 0/0MB of swap
18:04<@caker>Smark: pastebin the following: cat /proc/partitions; cat /etc/fstab; cat /proc/swaps
18:05<@caker>also: swapon /dev/xvdc
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18:05<Smark>http://p.linode.com/3104
18:06<Smark>hmm, it showing swap as xvdb
18:06<@caker>your fstab isn't mounting it, if that's what you're expecting
18:06<Smark>indeed, i think i should be able to change my profile to match, reboot, and be be fine, right?
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18:28<BarkerJr>Smark: no, you should update your fstab and reboot :)
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18:34<BarkerJr>I tried to use JFS the and my vps pretty much died... I had to hard boot it
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19:27<iC>linode rocks?
19:27<@caker>affirmative
19:28<iC>nice :)
19:28<jtsage>hmm. how about the karmic netbook beta. (jaunty refuses to play nice with the new netbook's wireless adapter)
19:28<BarkerJr>iC: how'd you know my password?
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19:43<iC>BarkerJr: thats your password? whats you IP? :)
19:43<CaptObviousman>has anyone here ever enlarged a raid5 array with another disk?
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19:55<iC>Hey guys, how hard/complicated is it to transfer a site from cPanel to one of our servers?
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19:56<bob2>depends what a "site" means to you
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19:56<iC>I am new. On dedicated server now, but really dont need one. Site is WP based + VBulletin Forum
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20:03<Yaakov>I am old.
20:04<chesty>s/l/o/
20:05<chesty>hmmm
20:05<chesty>s/l/d/
20:05<Yaakov>I am ood.
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20:09<rsdehart>better than being an oud
20:09<Pryon>whatsamatter unca Yaakov?
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20:10<Pryon>oud == win
20:10<Yaakov>Nothing is wrong, nephew.
20:10<Pryon>You may not be older than I (which doesn't preclude you being my uncle...)
20:11<Yaakov>I may not be, but I generally am older than people I meet via IRC.
20:11<Pryon>We reach
20:12<Yaakov>I am probably at least 3 ∑ out.
20:13<Yaakov>For the record, I am approximately 48 solar years.
20:13*Pryon wonders what the mean age is. I imagine it's increasing with time.
20:13<Pryon>Okay, you're a bit older than I am.
20:13<Pryon>From what my cow-orkers say, IRC is for old people or nerds.
20:14<Pryon>Of course, most of them are functionally retarded, so...
20:14<BarkerJr>the geeks shall inherit the earth
20:15<Yaakov>I'll bet the mean age here is in the 20's.
20:15<Pryon>I think so
20:15<Pryon>Not your ordinary IRC channel, though
20:15<Pryon>(IIDSSM)
20:15<BP{k}>BarkerJr: and blessed are the cheesemakers!
20:16<BarkerJr>the mean user here knowns what mean means and means it
20:16<Yaakov>Meanie!
20:16<Pryon>deviant!
20:16<@mikegrb>lolz
20:16<@caker>zomg hai lol
20:17<Yaakov>I am only a deviant in the standard way.
20:17<Yaakov>caker!
20:17<Yaakov>caker is 17.
20:17<@mikegrb>lolz
20:17<@caker>lol lol lol
20:17<@caker>er, sorry: lolololol
20:17<BarkerJr>lulz
20:18<@caker>leeenux nowd is cuul
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20:18<Pryon>red hot lunix
20:18<Pryon>you just lost a customer
20:22<Yaakov>HE WAS A NOOB
20:23<@caker>rewt bewt
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20:32<QuadLes>Hello guys, please help me with ufw. None of the rules I have set seem to be working. What am I missing?
20:33<bob2>a pastebin of your rules, I guess
20:33<QuadLes>Pastebin address?
20:34<BarkerJr>http://p.linode.com
20:36<QuadLes>http://pastebin.com/d1b6f7724
20:37<bob2>and in what way are they not working?
20:37<bob2>(e.g. tell us your ip)
20:38<Smark>In a 2003 information security survey, 90% of office workers gave researchers what they claimed was their password in answer to a survey question in exchange for a cheap pen.[4] Similar surveys in later years obtained similar results using chocolates and other cheap lures, although they made no attempt to validate the passwords.[5]
20:38<Smark>wow.
20:38<Smark>Users are the problem with IT
20:39<QuadLes>THe ports that I blocked with ufw are still said to be open by Angryzibber's IPSCAN.
20:40<bob2>ignore that
20:40<path>Smark: Would you like a piece of candy?
20:40<chesty>candy? hunter2 hunter2
20:40<Smark>Im willing to give you my LPM Username and Password for one piece of candy
20:40<@mikegrb>lolz
20:40<Smark>lol chesty
20:41<QuadLes>Ignore Angryzibber? How come?
20:41<bob2>what's your ip?
20:41<bob2>or: pastebin the output of 'sudo netstat -plnt' and 'sudo iptables -L -v -n'
20:42<QuadLes>Is it safe to give u my ip? I notice these chat logs are viewable by google.
20:42<bob2>they are indeed
20:42<QuadLes>ok, let me pastebin that.
20:43<jtsage>woot. eeebuntu is working correctly. if anybody is looking for a netbook, gotta see the eee 1005HA seems to be doing lovely.
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20:44<QuadLes>http://pastebin.com/d2961e767
20:45<encode>i like what i read about the HP mini 311 as far as netbooks go
20:45<jtsage>this little thing ended up running me $375 with shipping. not too shabby. but now i'm gonna read up on that one too :)
20:45<Eman>if someone asks for my password in exchange for free candy, i shall accuse them of being pedophiles
20:45<bob2>QuadLes: that's not either of the things I asked for
20:46<Pryon>Eman is a pediatrician!
20:48<QuadLes>oh, I missed the3 iptables one, let me do it. I just pasted the netstat one. Hold on
20:48<bob2>nope
20:49<bob2>'sudo netstat -plnt' doesn't produce output like that
20:49<encode>Eman: give me your password, or I'll give you free candy
20:49<HoopyCat>is... this a linux machine?
20:49<bob2>ah
20:49<bob2>ok
20:51<HoopyCat>you wanna know what's wrong with society? writers are paid for quantity.
20:51<QuadLes>bob2 Here http://pastebin.com/d77b82f86
20:51<chesty>that's why twitter will never work
20:52<bob2>QuadLes: something's wrong with your netstat command
20:52<HoopyCat>for the love of god, if you can't get the moose on the table in under 5 pages, stick with photography
20:53<QuadLes>bob2 netstat -pint ?
20:53<encode>http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01868521&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN <-- the Mini Hp 311. Now with "Genuine Windows Vista XP Home", whatever that may be
20:53<bob2>QuadLes: yes. or you typoed it or something
20:54<chesty>it's -plnt or -pint
20:54<HoopyCat>bob2,QuadLes: check ur fonts, -plnt != -pint
20:54<bob2>QuadLes: anyway, iptables config looks ok
20:54<QuadLes>let me retry netstat
20:54<bob2>I typed plnt - pee el en tee
20:55<QuadLes>bob2 ah, el
20:55<HoopyCat>lima
20:55<HoopyCat>like the bean
20:56<HoopyCat>i think the phonetic alphabet is sorely underutilized in text-based media :-)
20:56<QuadLes>bob2 Here http://pastebin.com/d785d4934
20:56<HoopyCat>and... i'm going to finish reading this bloviating claptrap so i can be finished reading it. bbl
20:57<bob2>QuadLes: so most of those rules are pointless
20:57<bob2>QuadLes: I'd run nmap yourself from an unfirewalled host and see what it says
20:59<QuadLes>bob2 Unfortunately I only have l;ocalhost to use. Just 1 Linux and 1 Windows machine http://pastebin.com/d76f50473
21:05<bob2>nmap on localhost isn't super useful
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21:08<QuadLes>hmm, thanks
21:08<QuadLes>bob2, I suppose I might as well remove ufw and learn iptables commands.
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21:50<BarkerJr>I was digging through my grapjs and pulled up my September I/O graph... http://www.barkerjr.net/tmp/kernel18to30.png
21:51<BarkerJr>you'll notice when I switched from the default kernel to the .30 one
21:53<encode>http://www.barkerjr.net/tmp/kernel18to30.png
21:54<encode>right click fail
21:54<encode>sorry
21:54<BarkerJr>:P
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22:23<MJCS>FUCK YOU ASUS and YOUR GOD DAMN REQUIREMENT THAT I BUY MEMORY IN SETS OF 4
22:23*MJCS feels better :)
22:24*MJCS dishes out another $200
22:25<HoopyCat>send the old memory to me; i'll test it and see how it works on my motherboard
22:25<MJCS>PC2 5300 ECC Fully Buffered
22:26<HoopyCat>keep talking
22:26<HoopyCat>*unzip*
22:26<MJCS>with castration power & MMX
22:28<MJCS>holy fuck AMEX just gave me a $250,000 credit line
22:28<MJCS>what the fuck
22:28<HoopyCat>note that my computer seized up as recently as yesterday due to swap-thrashing; turns out that dynamic football depth chart display really sucks when your team runs out of non-injured linebackers
22:28<MJCS>I make $40k a year
22:28<Peng_>They want your house.
22:28<MJCS>I live with my parents
22:28<Peng_>Somehow I think my credit score just dropped 40 points.
22:29<HoopyCat>MJCS: all the rest of us poor suckers are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. amex sees your virgin credit and wants to tap some of that before it gets loosey-goosey
22:31<HoopyCat>MJCS: 15% discount applies to two-year prepays on the Linode 14400s too, btw
22:32<MJCS>I am actaully thinking about dumbing down my linode to a 260
22:32<MJCS>err 360
22:35<MJCS>its funny watching start trek in french
22:36<HoopyCat>the movie or the cartoon?
22:36<MJCS>movie
22:37<MJCS>wtf how did transformers and walle get in my basket on amazon
22:37<Pryon>you better check out before you order the crying game
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22:43<MJCS>gar I need to move sql databases tomorrow
22:43<MJCS>meh
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22:59<linbot>New news from forums: Set Up an Unmanaged VPS (4 Newbies) .. The V-P-S Bible in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4711>
23:16<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: fremont86 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4720>
23:30<amitz>phew, hectic day
23:30<MJCS>I had a lazy day...first in 4 months
23:30<MJCS>twas nice
23:30<amitz>MJCS: why french surprisingly like to watch foreign movies?
23:31<MJCS>?
23:31<amitz>I mean, I heard that french is quite nationalistic? or it's a different issue altogether?
23:31<MJCS>huh?
23:31<MJCS>soldered some stuff, did some paper work
23:32<amitz>s/french/france . s/watch/import/
23:32<amitz>I'm referrring to the reference about startrek in french.
23:33<MJCS>oh...french is a funny language to me...I'm American...I speak only english
23:35<linbot>New news from forums: APF won't start in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=672>
23:36<amitz>ooh
23:36<MJCS>and im 1/8th french
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23:36<rashmi>hi .... i need a bit help on changing the IP of one of the domains ....
23:38<MJCS>www.linode.com go to community click wiki and search
23:38<MJCS>it should give you step by step guide
23:38<MJCS>!wiki
23:38<linbot>MJCS: Internal Services <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Internal_Services&diff=3911&oldid=prev> || Internal Services <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Internal_Services&diff=3910&oldid=prev> || Main Page <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=3909&oldid=prev> || Talk:IPv6 <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:IPv6&diff=3907&oldid=prev> || Internal (7 more messages)
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23:47<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: newark1 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4719>
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23:51<kyhwana>hrr, did something just happen to a freemont node?
23:52<encode>14:16 < linbot> New news from forums: Reboot: fremont86 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4720>
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