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---Logopened Sat Dec 05 00:00:45 2009
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00:23<Mau>It finally works.
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00:25<amitz>Mau: congrats!
00:25*Mau dances.
00:25<Mau>I conquered postfix.
00:26<Mau>Well, pparadis pretty much did everything... hmm.
00:27<amitz>Mau the konqueror.
00:27<Mau>...oh come on. I can't send emails. :|
00:27<Mau>I bet its a config problem in the client.
00:27<amitz>the title is postponed until further notice.
00:28<Mau>Ah! Fixed.
00:29<Mau>I just needed to add the domain to the user in the email client.
00:29<amitz>Mau the konqueror! The title is pending confirmation of work well done.
00:29<Mau>My gmail account received the email... sending back reply...
00:30<amitz>Mau: heh, that reminds me to a decade back. I was confused why my ISP started requiring me to write down the domain name as part of user name.
00:30<Mau>Yeah, it really doesn't make sense when you only have only one domain... but now with multiple domains...
00:31<Mau>Reply received from gmail. It works. Awesome. It only took 2 weeks.
00:32<amitz>Mau the konqueror! The title is given under probationary basis, which will be upgrade to permanent basis if nothing bad happens in 3 months.
00:32<Mau>Using mysql to save the users is pretty useful too. It means I can easily register new email users on my applications.
00:33<Mau>...but since I never setup quotes that would be a really bad idea.
00:34<Mau>3 Months? I will be lucky if the server as a whole survives 3 months, forget the email part.
00:34<amitz>are your users stupid/malicious enough?
00:35<Mau>Well, since I'm the only user and also the only one with root... yes, "they" are stupid/malicious enough. I'm 100% certain of it.
00:37<amitz>that's difficult then. Self-inflicting malevolent, can't make it worse than that :-)
00:37<amitz>maybe I should just delete my linode and start everything from scratch..hmmm
00:39<amitz>hmm nothing of valuable I host...
00:39<amitz>oh wait...
00:40<Mau>Before I did that today I made a backup of the content, like databases and websites.
00:40<Mau>The config and os went.
00:41<amitz>My website if for personal perverse use. My database is a null. the config....yeah, I need to backup some configs, excluding mail config mauahaha
00:42<Mau>I need to find that server that tested the smtp for weaknessess.
00:44<amitz>perhaps putting your server address in underground forum with a post saying "my smtp server is very secure, you sucks".
00:45<Mau>amitz, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
00:46<amitz>Mau: well, that will make people testing your smtp weakness for free ;-).
00:46<bd_>irgeek: thanks :)
00:46<Mau>I found it: we just telnet to this and it will check for most weaknessess.
00:46<Mau>Battousai, thanks, I checked that one too. :D
00:47<Mau>That one is good to check for false positives.
00:47<@irgeek>bd_: You confused me for a minute. Didn't notice that ticket was you.
00:48<bd_>irgeek: I figured you'd be able to find the linode in question easier from the ticketing system :)
00:49<@irgeek>Good thinking. :)
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00:58<Mau>What are the advantages of hosting our own DNS instead of using linodes'?
00:58<amitz>the cat disappears! someone actually care!
00:58<bd_>Mau: more control
00:58<bd_>Mau: ability to host PTR records
00:58<amitz>^^ HoopyCat .
00:58<bd_>ability to refresh your zone whenever you want, and not have to wait 15 minutes
00:58<bd_>access logging
00:59<Mau>So, pretty useless for someone that is a completely dns newbie.
00:59<bd_>pretty much
00:59<bd_>unless you want to learn :)
01:00<Mau>I will leave that to another day. I still need to rest because of postfix.
01:00<Mau>I don't want a learning induced heart attack.
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01:05<Battousai>you can get heart attacks from learning? i wish i would've known that during school, i could've gotten out of some classes.
01:07<amitz>Battousai: you tempt me to get me started on highschool naughtyness :-)
01:08*HedgeMage peeks in
01:09<amitz>HedgeMage: no jed, if you're looking for him again ;-)
01:09<HedgeMage>lol... looking for whomever is entertaining... I need to stay up for 20 more minutes
01:10*HedgeMage is bored
01:12<HedgeMage>amitz: You fail at entertaining.
01:16<amitz>was busy :-). that's like highschool dynamic. There are 2 paths to be entertaining, the subject way and the object way.
01:16*HedgeMage chuckles
01:16<amitz>Basically you can ridicule or you can be ridiculed.
01:18<amitz>I lost the momentum :-)
01:18<HedgeMage>amitz: You clearly had less interesting teen years than I did.
01:18<amitz>HedgeMage: define interesting.
01:19<HedgeMage>now there's a loaded question :P
01:19<amitz>so you're not going to bite it.
01:19<amitz>? :-)
01:19<HedgeMage>Nah, I'm going to be good.
01:20<HedgeMage>...which is uncharacteristic of me, but oh well.
01:20<HedgeMage>I need to get to bed soon.
01:20<amitz>The nostalgia is calling you to be shared. ;-)
01:22*HedgeMage chuckles
01:23<amitz>What eye opening after a few years leaving highschool is that your future is not really reflected on your highschool life.
01:23<amitz>What's eye opening
01:24<amitz>I mean, the winners you know can lead a harder life than you previously thought. Vice versa.
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01:25<HedgeMage>I don't remember that much of high school, TBH... I got sick halfway through sophomore year, and stayed that way through graduation.
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01:26<beefsalad>HedgeMage: hey, I know you
01:26<amitz>ah, are you better know?
01:26<HedgeMage>amitz: Yes, I have been for years.
01:27<HedgeMage>beefsalad: your nick looks vaguely familiar, but I can't place it
01:27<amitz>HedgeMage: that's good. Many people say no amount of money can compensate for being sick :-)
01:27<beefsalad>HedgeMage: LFD?
01:27<HedgeMage>gah, that was ages ago
01:28<beefsalad>I'm still a dummie :(
01:29<amitz>HmmI hope I deliver the message I intended right.
01:29*beefsalad stabs lolzscript
01:29<HedgeMage>amitz: I got your meaning. :)
01:29<amitz>beefsalad: create a script that says "/me stabs lolzscript" everytime it says lol ;-)
01:30*beefsalad stabs lolzscript
01:30<chesty>with python, how do you dump the contents of an object, it's slipped my mind
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01:32<amitz>I slip urmom then I dump urmom.
01:32<amitz>chesty: you mean listing all attributes?
01:33<chesty>that's dir()
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01:33<chesty>no, serialize, is that the right term?
01:33<amitz>hmm, this is probably beyond me then..
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01:34<chesty>there's a way, it's simple, like dump(obj) and if the object has the right constructor, it will print out the contents of the object
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01:35*amitz has a few clarification questions but decided against them.
01:36<Vineet>I want to optimize my server performance. Please guide me...if there is some nice tutorial, please send me the link. I am running Ubuntu and using Wordpress
01:36<amitz>Vineet: have you see
01:37<Vineet>@amitz: yes but I am not able to find any good tutorial there
01:39<amitz>Vineet: ah,I see. perhaps try ?
01:40<HedgeMage>Okay, finally bedtime for this old woman.
01:40<HedgeMage>see you all later
01:40<amitz>HedgeMage: good sleep!
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01:40<Vineet>@amitz: Thanks
01:42<amitz>and there are talks about cache for apache/wordpress or something along that line. Wait around, someone might be able to hint more.
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01:48<amitz>woah, microsoft yahoo
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01:50<jhford>when using PV_GRUB, does the harddisk that I am installing to need to have a valid grub boot sector?
01:51<jhford>*harddisk == virtual linode disk
01:51<amitz>jhford: have you looked at ?
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01:51<jhford>amitz: a little bit
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01:52<amitz>the pv grub article?
01:52<jhford>i know what i need to do, other than whether or not i need to transfer the MBR
01:52<amitz>hmm I see.
01:53<bss>you do not need a grub boot sector on the virtual disk
01:53<Vineet>@amitz: Hey is there any nginx installation article that works with apache on ubuntu
01:53<jhford>bss, thanks :)
01:53<bss>all you need to do is make a /boot/grub/menu.lst
01:53<jhford>thanks :)
01:58<amitz>Vineet: why don't you search? :-)
02:00<chesty>they did, they searched you
02:00<Vineet>@amitz: I searched for it and tried to install nginx but it never worked for me :(
02:01<amitz>ah, I see.
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02:08<ja>Question for you all
02:08<ja>I'm currently with Media Temple and am thinking of switching to linode. I have one server on MT but want to probably separate MySQL and Apache/PHP this time around.
02:09<ja>Will the internal bandwidth between these two nodes (in same DC) be counted against my monthly total?
02:12<amitz>chesty: I like how English often use one word for multiple meanings..
02:12<amitz>ja: no
02:12<amitz>as long as you connect them with internal IP.
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02:15<amitz>causing confusion in "free" software,
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02:16<amitz>heh, can't summon another example.
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02:29<jhford>amitz: there, their, they're
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02:30<jhford>well, actually those are hominyms (sp?)
02:30<jhford>^ example of a word you use in conversation but rarely have need to spell unless you are an english major
02:31<jhford>but affect and effect are even more weird than 'free'
02:32<jhford>affect and effect are both verbs and nouns. Affect is 99% a verb, Effect is 99% a Noun
02:33<jhford>any timeframe on when Fedora 12 will be offered as an automatic deployment option?
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02:50<amitz>oh, I'm talking about word with exact writing and pronounciation, which is considered one unique word. But they can have different confusing meanings. Example is open source's "Free". It can means "free as in beer" and "free as in freedom".
02:51<amitz>jhford: one means you get something without compensating, the other means free as in freedom.
02:52<jhford>most people pronounce affect and effect identically
02:52<amitz>I encounter those kind of words a few time in English but I can't recall them at the moment.
02:52<jhford>or at least here
02:52<amitz>but the writing is different.
02:53<jhford>in which case, that is just connotation
02:53<jhford>special, interesting, dirty (in slang)
02:54<amitz>they are too different to be considered connotation. But let me pull out wikipedia on the definition of connotation.
02:55<amitz>yep. They are different enough that they can be considered different denotation.
02:55<amitz>instead of connotation.
02:55<jhford>they aren't that different imo, but w/e
02:56<cilkay>Hello. I'm logged into lish and see that the VPS has run out of swap space. In the Linode control panel, I see two options, "Reboot" and "Shutdown". Does reboot reinitialize the machine with the selected profile?
02:56<jhford>cilkay: it does for me
02:56<cilkay>I don't want to reimage the machine. I just want to reboot, ideally in a clean manner.
02:56<jhford>you could also reboot in your vm
02:56<jhford>that will come up cleanly (as long as the fs hasn't been corrupted from crashing due to OOM)
02:57<jhford>(in lish run command 'reboot')
02:57<cilkay>If you mean do an init 6 in a shell, I can't. I have two shells open and neither are responsive.
02:57<jhford>cilkay: the reboot button on the webpage does a decent job for me
02:57<jhford>also, lish is just a screen session
02:58<cilkay>I can't run anything in lish because all I see is continual spewing of OOM messages to the console.
02:58<jhford>you can press CTRL+A-D
02:58<cilkay>aha, good
02:58*jhford thinks lzma -9 was a little over-eager :(
02:58<cilkay>I just issued a "reboot".
02:59<jhford>i wonder if lzma is more memory or cpu bound
02:59<SelfishMan>jhford: memory typically
03:00<jhford>SelfishMan: good to know
03:00*jhford gives vm 2G instead of 512mb
03:00<SelfishMan>well, cpu bound for the really high settings but thats just because they tried to squeeze blood out of a turnip
03:00<SelfishMan>It really depends on the dict size though
03:00*jhford is copying a 2GB fs image
03:01<jhford>and was hoping to do it through lzma as a pipe to ssh
03:01<jhford>instead of copying a bunch of empty hd
03:01<SelfishMan>just gzip or bzip2 it
03:01<jhford>lzma is faster than bz2 isn't it?
03:01<SelfishMan>zeroing unused blocks would help
03:02*jhford doesn't know how to zero just the unused blocks :(
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03:03<SelfishMan>just `dd if=/dev/zero of=urmom.bin bs=1k count=??`
03:04<jhford>i'd rather use compression for the ssh part though
03:04<SelfishMan>honestly, just piping it through gzip -9 would be enough to give you the shortest transfer time
03:04<SelfishMan>the dd command is to zero some blocks
03:05<jhford>thanks :)
03:05<SelfishMan>just make the count a little smaller than the image and put the output file on the mounted image
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03:10<ustream>JoeK, diaf
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03:12<amitz>woah, a magic word
03:12<amitz>SelfishMan, diaf
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03:13<amitz>jhford, diaf
03:13<JoeK>leave it to windows 7 to take your network card offline
03:13<jhford>windows 7 is so much better than vista, but it still isn't great
03:13<amitz>JoeK: any good? honestly? windows 7?
03:13<JoeK>buggier then vista for me
03:13<jhford>windows 7 is amazing for media center
03:14<jhford>must be hardware
03:14<JoeK>every 2 days my second monitor needs to be reset
03:14<JoeK>didnt on vista
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03:14<jhford>windows 7 has been very stable for me, MUCH more so than Vista
03:14<jhford>(running on macbook pro, Core i7 and a Fusion vm)
03:15<amitz>jhford: wait, inside vm?
03:16<jhford>i have it running in a VM and on hardware
03:16<JoeK>ive been meaning to get a dual dvi card anyways
03:16<JoeK>maybe using 2 seperate ATI cards is bad
03:16<JoeK>one for each monitor
03:16<jhford>JoeK: uhh, yah!
03:17<jhford>that probably only worked by chance in vista
03:17<jhford>were they matched cards?
03:17<jhford>(dual dvi cards are cheap these days)
03:18<JoeK>one is onboard
03:18<JoeK>one is PCI
03:19<jhford>do you have a pcie slot?
03:19<JoeK>ive been bidding for newer ati cards
03:19<JoeK>got outbid on all 7
03:19<jhford>bidding == ebay?
03:19<jhford>there's your problem!
03:19<jhford>buying a video card on ebay
03:19<JoeK>i cant go retail/tiger/newegg
03:19<JoeK>i have to get a PSU too
03:20<JoeK>current psu is only 250W
03:21<JoeK>jhford, can that do GTA, on mid-high settings though
03:21<JoeK>thats the kind of card im looking for
03:21<jhford>GTA ?
03:21<jhford>which one
03:21<jhford>mmm, no clue
03:21<JoeK>im looking @ ati radeon hd 4870
03:21<JoeK>its like 150$ on average
03:21<jhford>$150 gets you a lot of card, even new
03:22<JoeK>right but then id need a psu along with it
03:22<JoeK>a good one at that
03:22<JoeK>at least a 500W
03:22<jhford>but for $150 that you'd spend on an ebay video card that likely doesnt work properly, you could get a card that will work
03:22<jhford>and 250w might be enough
03:22<JoeK>im running alot on it atm
03:23<JoeK>a 500gb sata hdd, ati phenom (triple core) @ 2.53gz, 2 dvd drives (RW)
03:23<JoeK>of course it was default
03:23<jhford>you're seriously going to spend $150 for a used 4800 card when you can get a brand new 5750?
03:24<JoeK>whats the running power?
03:24<jhford>no clue
03:24<JoeK>yea :x
03:24<JoeK>i dont want to buy a card and have to set itaside due to low power
03:24<jhford>then get a PSU
03:24<jhford>as well
03:24<jhford>you were planning on spending $150 on a video card from ebay.. no?
03:25<JoeK>like 40
03:25<JoeK>but bidding goes crazy
03:26<JoeK>im like 20$ ahead, get a drink, come back and = bam
03:26<jhford>because $20 is unrealistic for a 4800
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03:27<JoeK>just trying too :p
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03:27<JoeK>my ati radeon 3250 is lagging for me lately
03:28<jhford>if you are living with a budget card, that 7900GS for $40 would be a huge upgrade
03:28<JoeK>i can get by with my main card
03:28*jhford recantes, i have no clue anything about that ati card
03:28<JoeK>i can game almost anything
03:28<JoeK>cept games like gta, crysis etc
03:28<jhford>crysis on a budget card. lol
03:29<JoeK>this was on board so :p
03:29<jhford>crysis on my GTX265 is a joke
03:29<JoeK>was built for movies
03:30<jhford>$45 after MIR
03:30<jhford>that is better than some crap from ebay
03:31<jhford>yay, fedora 12 base install compresses to 300mb after bzip2 -9
03:32<amitz>young men these day, meh.
03:32<amitz>ATI HD-3200 :-p
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03:34<amitz>I can play those high end games like warcraft easily,
03:34<amitz>no, I didn't miss the 2 words in front of warcraft.
03:35<jhford>i can't beleive that i am reaching the limits of my GTX265 these days
03:35<jhford>i really don't want to fork out for a new card :(
03:36<amitz>I have a spare card if you want. :-p
03:36<yhager>While ssh'ing to my linode, I am getting, quite randomly "Write error: broken pipe" and my ssh connection terminates. What could be the reason for this?
03:37<jhford>amitz: i guess i could always go back to Commander Keen
03:37<Peng>yhager: Probably a NAT device killing the connection for being inactive, or something.
03:37<Peng>yhager: Got SSH keep-alive on?
03:38<amitz>jhford: woah, is that still in beta? ;-)
03:38<jhford>amitz: i think they might be going gold soon
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03:38<amitz>jhford: neat, I just hope I runs in my PC.
03:39<jhford>nah, you'll have to have it on your phone
03:39<amitz>s/I runs/it runs/
03:39<Peng>yhager: Well, after that vague suggestion, I'm going AFK. If you're interested, Google it, or check "man ssh_config" and "man sshd_config".
03:39*jhford was shocked to play Wolfenstein 3D his iPhone
03:39<yhager>Peng: the thing is it happens only on my linodes
03:40<yhager>I think I have keep-alive on. lemme check
03:40<amitz>jhford: you remind me to install those emulators, in case I have to wait again with no PC/notebook in vicinity.
03:40<jhford>someone should check if there is a leak at the dc
03:40<jhford>amitz: this is pure native iPhoneOS
03:40<jhford>and actually playable on the touchscreen
03:41<amitz>HoopyCat: umm... this is fucked up. It seems its spouse is looking for the cat..
03:42*jhford wonders if he is missing parts of the convo
03:43<amitz>jhford: oh, it's waaay back maybe 4 hours ago, don't worry. :-)
03:44<jhford>i have been noticing my irc client being flakey lately, which is why i asked
03:44<amitz>jhford: oh, I see.
03:45<amitz>HoopyCat: it's dejavu all over again, similar thing happened before.
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04:30<jhford>for pv_grub, should my filesystem take up the entire device?
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04:44<Bowbles>Is it possible to see the load on the server on which my linode resides on?
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04:46<jhford>is paravirt faster?
04:47<amitz>Bowbles: in linode dasboard, I believe the processor represents the host processor load.
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04:50<Vineet>Anyone please help me, I need a nginx as reverse proxy installation tutorial on ubuntu. I am using Apache 2
04:52<Peng>amitz: Eh?
04:59<Vineet>anyone ??
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05:01<jhford>Vineet: #ubuntu
05:01<beefsalad>I think #nginx would be more appropriate
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05:02<jhford>but for a 'next->next->next->finish' style guide, #ubuntu is more likely for an ubuntu system
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05:04<Peng>jhford: .net
05:04<jhford>thanks, i always forget that because i am behind a bouncer
05:04<Peng>jhford: Looks like has aliases for, though.
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06:22<beefsalad>meep meep
06:22<Alan>my linode has been maxing out disk IO and CPU for several hours, I can't SSH in, and when I use the AJAX console I get a load of OOM-kill messages for apache and php, but no interactivity....
06:23<Alan>oh, there is interactivity there somewhere
06:23<Alan>it's just really really slooooooow
06:25<Peng>Yes. You don't have enough RAM and started swapping badly.
06:25<beefsalad>thats me, spamming you
06:25<Peng>Did you do something like set Apache's MaxClients to more than your system can handle?
06:26<Peng>Or badly configure MySQL?
06:26<Peng>(OK, not like you _intentionally_ did that or anything. The default settings are not for low-memory systems.)
06:26*Peng /away!
06:27<chesty>Peng: why say /away all the time, you never go away
06:28<Alan>funny you mention that... I had something similar happen the other day (for less time) and MySQL ended up dead...
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06:36<Alan>trying to kill apache when I can't even log in is quite a task...
06:36<Alan>I've been waiting for my shell to load for over 10 mins now :(
06:37<Alan>the crazy thing is that the load average is 0.0
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06:45<Alan>[Sat Dec 05 02:46:47 2009] [error] server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting
06:46<Alan>looks like things painfully spidering me...
06:46<Alan>ok, so what's a good maxclients setting for the cheapest linode package then?
06:48<beefsalad>dunno, what is the cheapest linode package? heh
06:49<Alan>360MB RAM
06:50<Peng>chesty: Yes I do.
06:50<beefsalad>and you're sure it was apache doing it?
06:50<Peng>Alan: How many Apaches can you fit in RAM? That's what the setting should be.
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06:51<Alan>Peng: not a clue?
06:51<Alan>more to the point... why have i never had this problem before :|
06:51<Peng>Alan: Not enough visitors. ;-D
06:51<Peng>Popularity sucks, eh?
06:51*Peng /away again!
06:52<Peng>chesty: (And I really did go away, just not for long.)
06:52<beefsalad>are you getting pwned?
06:52<Peng>chesty: (And I should've said "Yes I do. Sometimes.". :-P )
06:52<Alan>beefsalad: looks like i was being spidered by something that wasn't very nice about it...
06:53<beefsalad>been there, done that
06:54<beefsalad>good times for all!
06:57<Peng>If that happens to my 'node, it's screwed.
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07:17<vuf>here is one for you smart guys: how do I globally turn off all auto indent in emacs? I just want Enter to land me at the same indent as the current line, and nothing more
07:18<vuf>Alan, a good MaxClients is 18.
07:18<beefsalad>ArmedGeek: smart guys dont use emacs
07:19<beefsalad>that was supposed to be directed at you vuf
07:19<beefsalad>so now I have 2 reasons to go hide in a corner
07:19<vuf>beefsalad, I'm smart, so I figured that out
07:21<Alan>vuf: ah
07:23<amitz>Peng: am I wrong? I hope I don't screw your "I'm away" ritual :-p.
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07:29<vuf>Alan: if you want to be able to actually handle the load, set it to something like 10, and put nginx in front
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08:40<ella>Cakkkkkeeeerrrrr! Why is it two month running now Linode's charging on my credit card has failed, until I do a MANUAL charge?
08:40*ella thinks Caker just wants me to log into the dashboard to increase rankings
08:41<ella>BTW everyone, YOu might like to register and show some support for #TwitterMovie whcih was released in LA today you can check it out at <-- how to register and vote :) Help it win! My Linode played a BIG part in the making!
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08:52<@irgeek>ella: The bank doesn't tell us why the charge fails.
08:53<@irgeek>If it works from the payment page with a CVV, you can try calling your bank.
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08:54<@irgeek>We're not allowed to store the CVV but your bank should be able to white-list the charge so it's not needed.
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09:07*vuf ponders, why is there no good gpl gui diff tool
09:08<A-KO>because you're not cool if you don't use the command line :P
09:09<vuf>Ed is the standard text editor.
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09:12<ella>irgeek they were uppose to white list it over a year ago! *rofl*
09:13<ella>Then again, it's a bank, they probably get nervous when monthly recurring charges exceed a year thee days with contracts exporing and corportes just rolling on the charges
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09:28<ella>OK of to do ADR :)
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09:36<amitz>heh.. midnight sale...
09:51<linbot>New news from forums: ssh-tunnel on port 4007 in Linux Networking <> || SuPHP, mpm-worker + fastcgi, mpm-prefork.....oh my.. in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <> || Bandwidth Friendly File Transfer in Linux Networking <>
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10:11<Peng>jed: Kudos for posting an update every few minutes while fixing dallas96. :)
10:12<HoopyCat>turns out that uncut sheets of $2 bills don't cost $2/bill; in fact, they're in the $3 to $4 range. man, i need to invent the modern microcomputer
10:15<linbot>New news from forums: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/ in Gentoo in General Discussion <>
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11:20<Guest263>How do I log in to edit the wiki?
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11:22<HoopyCat>in the upper right, click--
11:23<HoopyCat>oh, well, i apologize for not being here 120 seconds sooner
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11:26*caker pushes out 2.6.32-linode23
11:27*jkwood stabs caker
11:28<jkwood>You couldn't have done that a week ago? lol
11:28<@caker>I've been busy :)
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11:28<jforman>caker: does this new kernel have more awesome in it?
11:28<@caker>jforman: yes, they fixed a local root exploit
11:28<@caker>You want it.
11:29<@caker>jkwood: 2.6.32 just came out two days ago, no? :)
11:29<jkwood>That doesn't stop Arch Linux.
11:29*jforman reboots to increase the awesome
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11:33<amitzz>linode.log has size 0. problem?
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11:35<jkwood>It's not the size of the log, it's how you use it.
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11:35<amitzz>damn, i missed the opportunity! :-)
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11:36<jforman>woot..Linux grenache 2.6.32-linode23 #1 SMP Sat Dec 5 16:04:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
11:37<Peng>I upgraded my test node with no problem, but I don't want to reboot my main one right now.
11:38<amitzz>jkwood: either i missed something or you missed something. either way, it no longer matter :-).
11:39<amitzz>big brother is here.
11:40<amitzz>and certainly many unrecognized smaller brothers.
11:40<amitzz>and certainly many unrecognized smaller brothers.
11:40<jkwood>I usually miss everything.
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11:42<amitzz>ah, i think it was jforman, or some nick like that. 'miss' is an example of word with multiple confusing denotations.
11:42<amitzz>jkwood: i miss yaakov.
11:45<jkwood>So do I... but my aim is improving!
11:45<amitzz>jkwood: oh, you're a miss.
11:47<jkwood>Something's certainly amiss.
11:50<HoopyCat>i spend a half hour banging out code, and totally miss being able to claim first reboot on a new kernel
11:51*HoopyCat sets poll frequency on kernel rss feed to 15 seconds
11:51*jkwood warps HoopyCat's hertz
11:52<amitzz>heh, should have said, i'm waiting for my miss.
11:52*HoopyCat reciprocates jkwood's period
11:53<amitzz>i'm gonna torture the marketing person who got the brilliant idea to do 'midnight sale'
11:53<confounds>caker: what's the process for updating to 2.6.32-linode23? just change it in the manager & reboot?
11:54<confounds>or anyone ^
11:54<HoopyCat>confounds: if you're set to Latest 2.6 Paravirt, just reboot. if you're not, you'll have to change it in the manger and reboot
11:54<jkwood>Affirmative, squad leader.
11:54<HoopyCat>confounds: (i recommend going with Latest 2.6 Paravirt, so you end up with the latest hotness on any relevant reboot, up to 2.8 of course)
11:55<confounds>HoopyCat: oh, cool - thanks. i assume latest 2.6 paravirt = Latest 2.6 Stable (
11:56<HoopyCat>confounds: Latest 2.6 Paravirt = 2.6.32-linode23
11:56<HoopyCat>confounds: (long story about paravirt vs. stable)
11:57*HoopyCat adds --logarithmic to to-do list munin graph, and sighs.
11:57<confounds>HoopyCat: i see - so i update the Linode Configuration Profile to that paravirt, then reboot - thanks. (new to linode)
11:59<HoopyCat>confounds: pretty much :-)
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12:06<jkwood>You can run that one, HoopyCat.
12:07<jforman>caker: i'm up on the 32bit new pravirt kernel, looks pretty good so far
12:07<confounds>btw - is there any rough eta on backups being out of beta?
12:08<@caker>confounds: sorry, there is not
12:08<@caker>jforman: roger that
12:10<confounds>caker: damn :) looking forward to it
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12:17<HoopyCat>Dec 05 12:16:54 - Unable to graph /var/lib/munin/ for a logarithmic yaxis you must specify a lower-limit > 0
12:17<HoopyCat>I DID! *cries*
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12:21<HoopyCat>you should get an uncut sheet of $5s, modify them en masse, and then use a razor knife to cut them as needed
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12:31<jkwood>HoopyCat: That's zero for large values of zero.
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13:09<BarkerJr>yay, the kernel feed works :)
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13:28<BarkerJr>"new in Linux 2.6.32 is KSM, which merges identical memory pages from different userland processes to reduce memory usage in virtualised environments"
13:28<BarkerJr>very exciting
13:29<jforman>BarkerJr: wow yeah, i hadnt noticed that before. on my 360 even with lighttpd, postfix and mysql running with some php procs, i'm at 158 used, 189 free, 62mb cached
13:29<WoodWork>sounds good when is that going to be out?
13:29<jforman>WoodWork: it already is. i'm on it
13:29<WoodWork>on linode?
13:29<jforman>Linux grenache 2.6.32-linode23 #1 SMP Sat Dec 5 16:04:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
13:30<WoodWork>any difference In ram?
13:30<jforman>like i said about my 360, seems to have a lot more breathing room now
13:31<BarkerJr>course after a reboot, there's always more breathing room
13:32<BarkerJr>the real test is after a few days uptime
13:32<Nivex>it's not meant to buy the domU more room, but the dom0
13:32<Peng>....Overselling? :D
13:32<Nivex>and I'm betting it takes longer to get that worked in to xen
13:32<Nivex>especially since linode's dom0's are still on 2.6.18 afaik
13:33<Nivex>Peng: yes, in controlled environments.
13:33<BarkerJr>so, I can't run more halflife servers on my 360 with it?
13:33<Peng>Are new 2.6.18 and 2.6.23 kernels needed for this security fix?
13:34<Mau>I just noticed, I'm using 310 mb on my 360. ;_;
13:34<Peng>Mau: Including caches?
13:35<Mau>Not sure what you mean by caches.
13:35<Mau>Cached is 238.
13:36<Mau>Ahhh! Linux ate my ram!
13:36<Mau>"Linux is borrowing unused memory for disk caching. This makes it looks like you are low on memory, but you are not! Everything is fine!"
13:36<Mau>Oh good.
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13:37*Mau stops panicking.
13:37<Nivex>htop's free memory graph makes the different kinds readily apparent
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13:39<Mau>Peng: Thanks, looks like I have 302 free instead.
13:40<Peng>Mau: :D
13:40<Mau>I was not worried. Really. >_>
13:41<Mau>Besides, I could still decrease mysql memory usage.
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13:51<BarkerJr>why would you want to?
13:53<BarkerJr>I still blame dbus-daemon for all my ram usage
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14:12<ubuntuisloved>jforman, I thought that Paravirt was unstable?
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14:13<BarkerJr>it is
14:13<BarkerJr>so, it's not for the weak-of-heart
14:16<BarkerJr>the .31 kernel locked up one of my vpses twice a day, for instance
14:16<ubuntuisloved>I'll stick to my normal kernel then until things get better
14:16<BarkerJr>other vps on .31 has been running for weeks no problem
14:17<MikeM>do larger nodes get more I/O in Linode land?
14:17<BarkerJr>well, there are fewer vpses per host
14:17<BarkerJr>i.e. fewer vpses per hard drive
14:17<A-KO>but theoretically, no
14:18<MikeM>ahh, ok
14:18<MikeM>I'm comparing rackspace to linode right now
14:18<MikeM>trying to figure out where to host a few smallish sites that run with MySQL
14:19<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, Linode is the way to go trust me the machines are rock fast
14:20*ubuntuisloved wonders if the analogy of a rock which never moves was a good choice
14:20<A-KO>rock solid :P
14:20<A-KO>lightning fast :P
14:20<ubuntuisloved>thank u
14:20<ubuntuisloved>I just woke up from the nap so a bit silly
14:21<BarkerJr>does lightning move?
14:21<ubuntuisloved>BarkerJr, no but the person who gets it in the ass does
14:21<MikeM>so maybe this is a silly question, but aren't all the VPS hosts practically on the same hardware with Xen on top? how does performance vary so much?
14:22<Karrde>io contention?
14:22<A-KO>the varying distros of linux?
14:22<A-KO>various settings people have?
14:22<A-KO>I dunno :P
14:22<jforman>MikeM: same hardware? uh...not exactly. some might be intel, some amd. some might be local storage, some might be netapp over nfs, or fibre channel to a san. there are lots of variables
14:22<MikeM>what storage does linode use?
14:23<BarkerJr>they don't tell us :(
14:23<jforman>really fast hamsters with ssd's tied to their backs
14:23<A-KO>more than enough to handle the nodes
14:23<A-KO>The fact of the matter is, when looking at VPS, the underlying hardware shouldn't be your concern. If you're so concerned about performance that it comes down to the underlying hardware, you probably should look at dedicated solutions :P
14:24<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, are you with a hosting provider now? is it shared hosting not vps?
14:24<A-KO>but generally speaking, I've had linode for a number of years now? 2-3, and have never really had any problems. Most of my friends have a linode also, and everyone has been happy.
14:24<ubuntuisloved>I'm happy since mwalling recommended it
14:24<A-KO>I use linode from work every day :P
14:24<A-KO>openvpn ftw
14:26<MikeM>and do you guys run databases as well?
14:26<MikeM>that's my concern...I was benchmarking rackspace and it was *slow*!
14:26<jforman>i run mysql on my linode 360 for some very lightly loaded websites
14:27<HoopyCat>if by "database" you mean "postgresql with a buncha stuff in it that gets some number of queries/second", yes
14:27<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, benchmarking how I'll do a comparison on my linode 720 right now for u
14:27<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, I run MySQL
14:28<MikeM>that'd be awsome
14:28<ubuntuisloved>One of my sites just got featured in a large article which got 500,000+ hits this week
14:28<ubuntuisloved>Linode served it well
14:28<MikeM>what site?
14:29<HoopyCat>1.19GB, 1250 tuples returned per second... strangely, "queries/second" is an elusive statistic
14:31<HoopyCat>currently at 1.67 memcached misses/second, each of which will result in a number of queries
14:31<ubuntuisloved>Which linode are u on HoopyCat
14:31<HoopyCat>ubuntuisloved: 360
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14:32<ubuntuisloved>What are you running for a io benchmark I'll run it here
14:32<BarkerJr>MikeM, have you seen this?
14:32<HoopyCat>ubuntuisloved: sycamore wiki with ~10,000 pages and ~100,000 hits/day? :-)
14:33<MikeM>BarkerJr: yeah, that's how I found out about linode
14:34<BarkerJr>I'd just give them both a try for a month... VPSes are cheap enough
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14:37<Mau>I don't remember how I found linode.
14:37<Mau>Accoding to the billing history the first payment was in April, 2008.
14:37<HoopyCat>disk I/O can be fairly variable in a VPS environment... i feel it has improved a lot since the RAID10 move, but it's still well worth it to use smartly-arranged layers of caching
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14:38<BarkerJr>I got refered by a good buddy of mine :)
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14:40<HoopyCat> <--- i'm this close to starting the Church of Memcached
14:41<litwol|mac>HoopyCat: tried mongodb yet ?
14:41<Pryon>Mongo love Sheriff Bart
14:41<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, Linode does have its perks at certain points in the year it gives away more ram and diskspace to the user's account its done this twice since I've been with them
14:42<HoopyCat>litwol|mac: not yet; the wiki engine gives me a headache whenever i poke around in it
14:42<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, It's not a guaranteed or expected thing but its cool when it comes
14:42<litwol|mac>HoopyCat: i'm confused. how does wiki engine tie into this convo?
14:43<ubuntuisloved>HoopyCat, you got that 360 tweaked well
14:44<HoopyCat>litwol|mac: the most likely place i'd see a real benefit from using mongodb would be underneath sycamore
14:45<litwol|mac>they make pretty helicoptery spinning leafs...
14:45<HoopyCat>ubuntuisloved: thanks... it has been a little interesting at times.
14:45<HoopyCat>litwol|mac: i thought those were maples?
14:46<litwol|mac>idunno.. i was making a comment a bout the first google image result that came up on 'sycamore'
14:46<HoopyCat>litwol|mac: :-)
14:46<litwol|mac>oh thank god. i thought you were making a joke ;)
14:46<BarkerJr>I was reading that under normal usage, an SSD will last longer than I will
14:47<HoopyCat>ubuntuisloved: the hard part: convincing things to NOT fork more processes when things get slow
14:47<ubuntuisloved>HoopyCat, are u running the paravirt kernel ?
14:47<HoopyCat>ubuntuisloved: yep
14:49<ubuntuisloved>HoopyCat, how is it so far any issues?
14:49<BarkerJr>paravirt kernels do use less I/O
14:49<HoopyCat>ubuntuisloved: things've been pretty good for the last year or so
14:50<ubuntuisloved>when you switched you seen a difference in memory, io etc...
14:51<HoopyCat>ubuntuisloved: the memory reporting changed since .18, but accounting for that, it's within a few megabytes. I/O seemed faster, but it's been so long since i've run .18 that i can't make a 100% fair comparison.
14:51<BarkerJr>this is when I switched to paravirt:
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14:55<MikeM>ubuntuisloved: those are perks that aren't advertised, or do they bump all the configs up by a certain amount?
14:56<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, I know I wouldn't ever expect them again but from another vps I had I never seen them,
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15:04<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, I hope that perks your interest comparing VPS's
15:05<BarkerJr>what happened to the 6 year anniversary?
15:06<MikeM>yeah, the fact that they upgrade sounds awesome
15:07<MikeM>is CentOS5.4 a supported OS? looks like only 5.3 is on the web site?
15:07<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, yup and you also have a referral option so you get I think 20 dollars if you refer someone... Dont quote me on those exact details
15:08<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, I only see 5.3 listed in my panel
15:08<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, Of course I'd recommend Ubuntu
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15:10<Mau>Hmm, what language to use...
15:11<ubuntuisloved>MikeM, good luck on your choice I have to head out now...
15:15<Peng_>Wah wah wah wah. I rebooted, but I'm still on the old kernel! Config profile says I didn't pick "Latest 2.6 Paravirt", specifically selecting 2.6.31. Whoops.
15:18<Peng_>And now my firewall has gone mad and blocked everything.
15:18<MikeM>I'm signing up now!
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15:23<Peng>FYI: ntpd does not seem to appreciate it when all network traffic is firewalled. ;-)
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15:27<Peng>(Oh, wasn't that.)
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15:31<BarkerJr>MikeM, you can install centos 5.3 then 'yum update' to 5.4 if you want
15:33<MikeM>ok, thanks!
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15:36<MikeM>so at the signup, it says that additional ram, storage, transfer can be added later
15:36<MikeM>does this mean that I should pick the least I need, and then upgrade the ram later if that's all I need?
15:36<BarkerJr>you can always upgrade to a bigger linode plan as well
15:37<MikeM>I need like 1GB of storage and 20GB of transfer :)
15:37<MikeM>but want 1GB of RAM
15:37<MikeM>any idea how much it costs to upgrade later?
15:37<linbot>Available Add-ons: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP: $ 1 per IP/month
15:37<BarkerJr>well, a 360 can only be upgraded to 720MB ram
15:37<jtaji>MikeM: the way it's priced it's the same to upgrade to a bigger plan as to just add RAM, so in most cases you should upgrade the plan
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15:40<Peng>BarkerJr: You should be able to add multiple extras packages.
15:40<BarkerJr>I've never tried :)
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15:41<BarkerJr>but I guess jtaji has a good point... a 360 costs $20, and doubling the ram is another $20... a 720 is $40
15:41<MikeM>yeah, so might as well upgrade the whole thing
15:41<BarkerJr>so, extras should really only be seen as temporary
15:41<MikeM>has anyone done an it fast and simple?
15:42<BarkerJr>otherwise you're paying $40 for a 720's ram, but a 360's disk, cpu, bandwidth, etc
15:42<MikeM>errr..I mean from a 360 to a 720 for example
15:42<BarkerJr>upgrade includes 1) shutting down your server, moving all data/configs to another host, and bringing it up there
15:42<jforman>MikeM: from what i've heard/seen, upgrades take 6gb/hour, and involve a reboot
15:43<jforman>BarkerJr: i thought linode was able to resize your disk, etc. i might be wrong though
15:43<MikeM>ok, that's not bad
15:43<BarkerJr>each physical host runs only one size linode
15:43<BarkerJr>so, the host I'm on only runs 360's
15:43<BarkerJr>another host runs only 720's, and so on
15:44<BarkerJr>so, changing plans requires a host change
15:44<jforman>ah true
15:45<BarkerJr>and the reason for the plan segregation is so the 360's can disrupt the performance of linode's better-paying customers :)
15:46*Nivex converts to "Latest Paravirt"
15:47<BarkerJr>don't forget, paravirt does not sync clocks, so your system clock will drift if you don't run ntpd
15:47<BarkerJr>so, that uses more ram
15:47<BarkerJr>don't forget to join the ntp pool to contribute to the community
15:49<Nivex>I'm watching NTP converge now :)
15:50<Nivex>I wish I had a static here at home. I'm running a stratum 1 GPS on my back porch :)
15:51<BarkerJr>is it easy to do that?
15:51<Nivex>if you're decent with a soldering iron
15:52<Nivex>the author of that article had some problems getting gpsd to work. mine's working fine.
15:52<BarkerJr>can't you buy a gps pci card or something?
15:52<Nivex>i've never heard of such a beast. doesn't mean there isn't one
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15:53<BarkerJr>well, don't some laptops have gps?
15:53<BarkerJr>for mapping
15:53<Nivex>yeah, but those are probably only USB emulated serial or some such
15:54<MikeM>is there any reason I wouldn't use my entire storage quota for my VM image?
15:54<Nivex>you have to have the PPS output to a full RS232 port to do NTP timing
15:54<Peng>ntpd is looking a bit jittery in 2.6.32, but it's a little early to say for sure.
15:54<BarkerJr>is usb too slow?
15:55<Nivex>usb doesn't have the mechanism for precisely relaying the PPS
15:55<Nivex>USB was designed for fast data transfer
15:56<Nivex>even if you used an RS232 to serial adapter, the latency of encoding the DCD swings into USB's serial would still be too high
15:57<BarkerJr>maybe I'll be happy with stratum 2 :)
16:01<linbot>Available Add-ons: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP: $ 1 per IP/month
16:02<WoodWork>!search cookies
16:02<linbot>WoodWork: There were no matching configuration variables.
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16:04<dereks>I have an API Question for you guys - if I use the LINODE.LIST action, and you have more than one linode, is it still one array with one object inside it, or will there be multiple objects per array?
16:04<@jed>it's one array with one linode per index
16:04<linbot>New news from wiki: User:BarkerJr <> || Internal Services <>
16:04<@jed>[ {Linode}, {Linode}, {Linode} ]
16:04<dereks>jed: thanks much!
16:04<@jed>dereks: you're welcome :)
16:05<@jed>I'm an API expert because of something I'm developing, feel free to hang around
16:05<dereks>Working on an Android application to be able to control your linodes form the phone
16:05<BarkerJr>we need to make the internal network more popular
16:05<BarkerJr>save bandwidth
16:05<A-KO>iphone IMO :P
16:05<BarkerJr>use my dns servers for free bandwidth! :)
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16:07<dereks>A-KO: I m sure someone is already working on an iPhone version, and I have a Droid to test it on. Besides, it's a lot cheaper to publish on the Android Market than Apple's
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16:15<Mau>php5 installed apache together >_>
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16:29<Peng>Oh good, the NTP jitter was a fluke.
16:31<HoopyCat>you're a fluuuuke of the uuuuuniverse; you have no right to be here
16:32*Nivex cues up some Fluke
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16:36<digilink>afternoon, is it possible to move my linode from it's current datacenter to another (while leaving it intact hopefully?)
16:37<jforman>digilink: filing a ticket is the best way to go about that (your IP will change of course)
16:38<digilink>jforman, tyvm :)
16:38<Karrde>your node will remain intact, yes
16:38<Karrde>it will take some time to transfer
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16:44<compwhizii>What's a good GeoDNS service?
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16:52<WoodWork>Thanks, someone was asking on Freenode, just relayed.
16:52<HoopyCat>cool :-)
16:59<Mau>Done with the php setup. This is kind of easy.
16:59*Mau properly forgot how close he came to madness because of postfix.
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18:13<l0uis>whats the cmd to check linode connectiviy from the channelk?
18:16<Peng>!download, you mean?
18:17<Peng>linbot: I know "!download," is not a valid command you moron.
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18:19<HoopyCat>^--- bulk data from linode to you
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18:19<linbot>HoopyCat: timed out
18:19<Peng>Dun dun dunnn!
18:19<HoopyCat>^--- traceroute-like stuff from linode customers to arbitrary places
18:20<linbot>HoopyCat: timed out
18:20*HoopyCat gets out the Bangsquad Emergency Contact List
18:20<Peng>Oh. I guess they block ICMP traffic.
18:21<HoopyCat>Yaakov: teh !mtr-newark asplode
18:22<linbot>Yaakov: timed out
18:22<Peng>Or that.
18:23<Mau>Hmm, what would happen if I installed a package using apt-get, then replace one of the files (the executable) and then removed the package. Would it unninstall correctly?
18:24<Nivex>tcptraceroute ftw
18:24<HoopyCat>Yaakov: wow, i didn't expect that to actually summon you immediately :-)
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18:24<Peng>HoopyCat: We must remember this!
18:24<HoopyCat>Mau: in theory, it would be none the wiser and just remove it like it was its own, like a robotic ducklet following a mother duck
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18:25<Mau>Oh thats good. It means that I can replace the repository version with one I built myself.
18:25<HoopyCat>Mau: the better option is to make a package with your version and install that
18:26<Nivex>wasn't there a traceroute command that would also show you the AS path as it went?
18:26<HoopyCat>Nivex: the one on cisco routers? :-)
18:26<Mau>Not really. The reason why I wanted to know this is because some important options in nginx needs it to be recompiled. Nothing more.
18:26<Nivex>HoopyCat: which are of course running BGP
18:27<linbot>Yaakov: [mtr] 8 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 2.3ms
18:27<linbot>Mau: [mtr] 9 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 11.5ms
18:28<HoopyCat>Mau: if it thinks you have version 1.2.3-1ubuntu1 of something, you install 1.3.5 manually without telling the package management system about it, and then 1.2.3-1ubuntu2 is released, it will also blissfully replace your 1.3.5
18:29<Mau>HoopyCat, I know. Good thing the updates are manual, eh?
18:30<HoopyCat>Mau: so your best bet would be to either make a package for 1.3.5 and tell apt not to mess with it, or uninstall the nginx package then install your own (preferably to /usr/local, which package managers shant never touch)
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18:31<Mau>Seems too much trouble just to turn on an option.
18:33<Mau>Wait. It's cli linux we are talking about.
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18:34<HoopyCat>Mau: most of the more popular distros tend to aim for the most popular packages/options, so if you're going too far out of the mainstream, you're going to have some amount of trouble (either now, or at some later time of its choosing :-)
18:34<Peng>That's ominous.
18:35<HoopyCat>speaking of which, the chicken's on the table. afk
18:35<Mau>Yeah, the problem here is that nginx is unlike apache where some important plugins and options are enabled at compilation.
18:36<Mau>Let's say that I wanted to turn flv streaming on. In apache I would use a mod_* thing, in nginx I need to recompile it.
18:38<jhford>Mau: you'd have to compile that apache mod
18:39<Mau>...but not apache.
18:39<xDexter>jed: have you worked with the java bindings for the api/
18:39<jhford>Mau: if you have the toolchain and knowledge to compile an apache mod, it isn't going to be that hard to recompile apache
18:40*jhford withdraws from this conversation
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18:43<xDexter>Alright, not just jed now, has anyone here had experience using the Java bindings for the Linode Api, particularly the USER.GETAPIKEY action?
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18:49<Yaakov>HoopyCat: It was a sysadmin error. Munged resolv.conf, unmunged.
18:49<Yaakov>By the way, WebHelpDesk++ # freaking wonderful helpdesk software.
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19:01<Peng>!f 55 yards in meters
19:01<linbot>Peng: 50.29 meters
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19:21<xDexter>is there a logo somewhere available of just the L from the linode logo?
19:28<linbot>New news from forums: cgi-bin question in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
19:28<HoopyCat>xDexter: i'm not familiar with the java end of things, but i'm familiar with the user.getapikey end of things
19:29<xDexter>HoopyCat: I figured it out, thanks though
19:29<HoopyCat>xDexter: np :-)
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19:31<HoopyCat>Yaakov: "i'm sorry, you've reached"
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19:47<LordMetroid>Linode doesn't mine and sell my data, right?
19:50<HoopyCat>why sell the milk when you can slaughter the cow?
19:51<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Eh?
19:52<HoopyCat>LordMetroid: officially, the privacy policy is here: ... unofficially, i believe the answer to be "no"
19:52<HoopyCat>Yaakov: why, err, sell customer data when you can, umm, chop the customers up into little bits and sell them? ok, that wasn't a good metaphor was it
19:53<Yaakov>Well, no and no, I meant, the comment?
19:54<Yaakov>And, repetitive though it may be, conceptually, Web Help Desk is making me happy.
19:56<LordMetroid>I do not feel comfortable about being chopped up and sold in pieces
19:56<Yaakov>Well, you aren't being done so by Linode, LLC.
19:57<Yaakov>Google, Inc. may be a different story...
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19:58<MikeM>does anyone know if emacs needs a port to run? When I have iptables enabled my term locks up. I'm guessing there's something with X Windows maybe???
19:59<HedgeMage>MikeM: emacs is a text editor...why would it neet access to a port to run?
19:59<MikeM>I have no idea, but when I enable my iptables service, emacs startup hangs!
20:00<MikeM>it's crazy!
20:00<HedgeMage>could you have one of its plugins (email, NNTP, IRC, etc) enabled?
20:00<HoopyCat>Yaakov: you mentioned resolv.conf fixed the mtromatic; given that the big new DNS news this week is Mountainview Crazy Eights, i was referencing that
20:01<Yaakov>Oh, no... I wouldn't touch google DNS for money.
20:01<HoopyCat>MikeM: might not be a bad idea to fire up tcpdump and see if emacs is doing anything... maybe you've got a spyware-laden copy ;-)
20:03<MikeM>HoopyCat: I just installed the system 3 hours ago, but I guess that's possible :)
20:07<HoopyCat>without seeing the iptables rules in question (nor a tcpdump), my gut is saying it's blocking on some form of network traffic, perhaps a dns query
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20:08<Yaakov>It is trying to phone home to ESR.
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20:17<jkwood>Emacs doesn't phone home. Home phones emacs.
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20:22<HoopyCat>MikeM: ... not to be confused with RMS
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20:43<MikeM>can anyone who knows iptables better than me (which is everyone here) take a look at my settings and make sure it's reasonable - only allow http incoming, and ssh incoming from my subnet -
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20:47<reillyeon>MikeM: Instead of setting the chain policy to DROP I would add a rule at the end that REJECTs anything not matched before hand.
20:47<reillyeon>Mixing positive and negitive rules is asking for trouble.
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20:49<MikeM>reillyeon: so just change -P INPUT DROP to REJECT?
20:50<Yaakov>I use a drop RULE, but not a default DROP policy.
20:50<Yaakov>The default on the chain should be accept, then at the end of the rules put a DROP.
20:51<MikeM>ahh, I get it!
20:52<MikeM>thanks, I was trying to test sshing from another computer and it just hung instead of rejected, so now I understand why!
20:52<reillyeon>MikeM: Here are my rules as an example:
20:55<MikeM>that's useful
20:55<MikeM>and does it matter where the "-P INPUT ACCEPT" line appears in the iptables config?
20:59<MikeM>thanks so much!
21:00<linbot>New news from forums: Cool things to do with a Linode 360....? in General Discussion <>
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21:03<HoopyCat>it's a floor wax!
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21:10<MikeM>reillyeon: so I added the icmp-port-unreachable but when I try to ssh into the box, I still get the issue where the ssh hangs instead of exiting immediately
21:10<MikeM>how do I test that the reject is working properly?
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21:33<squircle>hey everybody, i'm having a problem with my dovecot-postfix install. dovecot complains about not being able to access the mysql database because its access was denied (access denied for 'postfix'@'localhost' using password: YES), but postfix can access the database perfectly fine. why wouldn't dovecot be able to?
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21:42<J-Node>squircle: check your dovecot.conf, verify the mysql credentials.
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21:55<@jed>Linode, New Jersey base here. The snow ... has landed.
21:56<MikeM>what's the diff between the Stable 2.6 kernel and the paravirt one?
21:56*compwhizii is on Long Island
21:56<MikeM>it's been snowing in Boston for 3 hours! :)
21:56<@jed>compwhizii: hit the deck! snow incoming!
21:58<jforman>MikeM: you in boston?
21:59<jforman>ahoy from medford
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22:00<jforman>been snowing here, got a nice coating on the lawn
22:00<MikeM>yeah, it's been snowing here 3 hours!
22:00<jforman>where are you ?
22:00<MikeM>further east it took longer for it to start
22:00<MikeM>far far west!
22:01<jforman>ahh heh not too far
22:01<HoopyCat>MikeM: the stable kernel is with a set of patches to do the xen thing; the paravirtualized kernels are stock linux kernels with built-in xen support.
22:01<MikeM>so just hanging out indoors benchmarking rackspace vs linode :)
22:01<MikeM>HoopyCat: so paravirt are much faster?
22:02<MikeM>right now Rackspace is creaming linode on mysql-bench!
22:03<MikeM>I was expecting the opposite!
22:03<HoopyCat>MikeM: at this point, the xenness for both of the kernels is about equal i'd say (for a long while, the paravirt kernels were... somewhat unstable). however, the kernel has not become slower since 2.6.18, that's for sure :-)
22:03<HoopyCat>(actually, that's not for sure. it has become more featureful, however)
22:03<MikeM>hat about database performance? :)
22:04<HoopyCat>MikeM: you're the one with the mysql-bench ;-)
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22:05<MikeM>yeah, I'll have to try that
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22:37<Keverw>Hi all.
22:37<Keverw>Can someone help me get asterisk installed and set up?
22:38<compwhizii>Isn't there a manual or something?
22:38<Keverw>I have no clue.
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22:40<reillyeon>Keverw: Most of us won't be willing to help you unless you try to help yourself. Read the manual, find a tutorial. If you get stuck come back with a specific question.
22:43<HoopyCat>apt-get install asterisk :-) as far as getting it to do what you want it to do, i dare say it's worse than e-mail
22:43<jforman>can’t make minute adjustments in the color temperature, by setting the White Balance for tungsten and you shoot outside in the dayight your images overall will be tinged with a blue “cooling” cast that will be most notable in the shadows of snowy backgrounds. If you’re one of those people who still shoots film, then here’s quick tip that will give evocative images. Load tungsten-balance slide film into your camera, photograph your s
22:44<reillyeon>jforman: ?
22:44<amitz>I believe you already ask the same question yesterday? And you should have shown some steps you have executed/learned.
22:44<jforman>bad taste
22:44<reillyeon>bad paste?
22:44<jforman>hit the wrong button in the wrong window
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22:46<linbot>New news from forums: asterisk on ubuntu 9.10 in General Discussion <>
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22:59<amitz>a 10 minutes boredness, need excitement.
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23:10<amitz>Company these days have deceptively friendly/warm photographs of a group of people smiling.
23:10<amitz>they are as if you will meet those kind of people as a customer or employee.
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23:18<Keverw>FATAL: Module dahdi not found.
23:19<Keverw> dahdi: error dahdi_dummy: error dahdi_transcode: error
23:19<Keverw>I keep getting that when i try to uninstall aserisk
23:20<A-KO>hmm, does anyone here know a lot about DNS? I know this is a bit unconventional, but is there any way to override TTL values from a server administrator's point of view?
23:20<A-KO>not related specifically to my linode :P
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23:31<chesty>it's not that uncommon for isps to ignore ttls
23:33<A-KO>yes, but I'm trying to
23:33<A-KO>I want to ignore TTLs in my locally hosted DNS at my house :P
23:33<A-KO>but BIND doesn't seem to have the option, only a maximum TTL
23:34<A-KO>my assumption is that IF DOMAIN TTL < MAX TTL ; then BIND will send another query to update it
23:34<A-KO>even if the domain TTL is set too low to begin with
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23:38<A-KO>hmm, seems opendns is still faster than google's DNS
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23:43<chesty>all that analysis takes time
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23:52<daqing>Any Official Surporter here?
23:53<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
23:54*HedgeMage is an official troublemaker, does that count?
23:54<daqing>My New Account is pending activation~
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23:57<defective>how do i transfer a domain to linode (from slicehost in my case)?
23:57<compwhizii>Who is the domain registar?
23:58<defective>slicehost in my case
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23:59<compwhizii>Can you change the Nameservers for the domain?
23:59<defective>sure, why?
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