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---Logopened Mon Dec 21 00:00:13 2009
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00:07<jimmy>anyone know if it's possible to transfer a linode to another account?
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00:08<amitz>jimmy: I'd guess yeah (with proper reason), open a ticket requesting that.
00:08<linbot>New news from forums: Why did I wait? in Customer Testimonials <>
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00:11<amitz>yay, finally a job where my old certification actually matters :-D
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00:13<amitz>beefsalad: wha?
00:13<beefsalad>head mother f'er in charge
00:14<amitz>one thing that always bug me, does HR actually knowledgeable enough if I quote some company names..
00:14<amitz>beefsalad: ah, where can I get that?
00:17<amitz>let me guess without googling. Boss ... From Hell - ... ?
00:17<Peng>Bastard Operator from Hell + ?
00:17<beefsalad>bastard operator from hell...if you havent read any BoFH stories you are missing out
00:17<beefsalad>- University
00:18<amitz>oh, let me google that then.
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00:46<amitz>implementing a cross-company document standardisation platform to increase productivity and reduce document translation anomalies with a view to vendor independence and license consolidation...” <- "Install Microsoft Office on the terminal server" . I'm not that good, impressive...
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00:47<amitz>The above from Bofh 20091127.
00:50<SirSquidness>Study BOFH with all your mind. One day, you too, will be able to bullshit your way in to or out of anything.
00:51<linbot>chesty: CPU fragmentation (29:0/0) [seseucx]
00:51<maushu>SirSquidness, it all ends to "The janitor did it!"
00:52<SirSquidness>and/or a bean counter you don't like (ie, all of them)
00:52<amitz>SirSquidness: I will, sir!
00:52<maushu>See? We are already experts on the matter.
00:52<bd_>amitz: I'm not sure how microsoft office gives you vendor independence >.>
00:53<encode>bd_: i think you missed the point
00:53<bd_>encode: If it were install open office then that would be a good management translation of it :)
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01:02<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so stupid, she managed to MySQL inject an HTML form with no action property. (770:1/5) [mourm]
01:03<amitz>bd_: if you insist on making the statement not a lie, perhaps "vendor independence" means "vendor's independence"?
01:04<bd_>amitz: vendor synergy
01:04<amitz>bd_: ah, you seem capable of these stuffs. :-p
01:05<amitz>I doubt your sysadmin/programmer-ness.
01:06<bd_>synergy's just a good word to have lying around
01:06<bd_>it's just like cromulent in that it picks up meaning from context
01:09<maushu>My linode is full of synergy.
01:09<bd_>See also: Synergistic, synergetic, synergize
01:10<SelfishMan>urmom is full of synergy
01:10<SelfishMan>!f What is synergy?
01:10<linbot>SelfishMan: A synergy is where different entities cooperate advantageously for a final outcome. Simply defined, it means that the effect of the whole is greater than the sum of the effects of the individual parts. Although the whole will be greater than each individual part, this is not the concept of synergy. If used in a business application it means that teamwork will produce an overall better result than if (1 more message)
01:10*amitz learns the art of synergy. /me levels up.
01:10<JoeK>moar cowbell
01:10<linbot>SelfishMan: each person was working toward the same goal individually.
01:12<amitz>is there another word I can easily inject to all kind of sentences?
01:12<SelfishMan>amitz: urmom
01:12<maushu>amitz, web 2.0
01:12<amitz>SelfishMan: gah, should have seen that coming!
01:12<SelfishMan>urmom is perfect for *every* sentence
01:12<amitz>maushu: too IT. I believed there is another one...
01:13<maushu>amitz, just add "e-" to any word.
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01:14<maushu>innovative, methodologies, metrics, mindshare, models
01:15<maushu>vortals, web-readiness, compelling, colaborative
01:15<SelfishMan>!f vortals
01:15<linbot>SelfishMan: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it
01:16<maushu>streamline, synthesize, morph, incubate, embrace
01:17<maushu>Enough words?
01:17<amitz>synthesize sounds promising
01:17<amitz>...urmom sounds promising.. I can see the power of urmom..
01:18<maushu>Why do I waste my time?
01:18<amitz>because it will be burnt anyway.
01:18<maushu>Oh yeah, because if Im not doing this I'm coding a PHP game.
01:19<amitz>how do you code a php game...? the no/limited graphic one?
01:20<maushu>When someone says "php game", they usually mean a browser based text game.
01:20<maushu>*Usually* being the keyword here. I've seen games implemented in php with real time graphics.
01:20<amitz>ah, that game. Used to try one but never really advance..
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01:37<amitz>heh, I miss my 5 1/2" disk...
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01:42<vulcan>hey guys
01:42<vulcan>I'm trying to set up sudo
01:42<vulcan>can someone help?
01:42<bob2>what do you need to set up?
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01:43<vulcan>well, I guess watever a standard setup is for it
01:43<vulcan>I'm just setting up a second user acccount so I'm not logging in as root
01:43<vulcan>seems like the smart thing to do
01:43<bob2>so run visudeo
01:43<bob2>er visudo
01:44<bob2>and then decide what you want to do
01:45<vulcan>well, thats what I'm stuck on
01:45<vulcan>I want a password prompt
01:45<bitmand>vulcan: you can also simply su to root when needed.
01:45<bob2>have you read the manpage?
01:46<bob2>"By default, sudo requires that a user authenticate him or herself before running a command."
01:47<vulcan>so I don't need to add anything to get that behavior?
01:47<vulcan>I just need to add the user to the right group?
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01:48<bob2>depends on your OS
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01:48<bob2>ubuntu defaults to doing the group thing
01:48<bob2>debian does not
01:48<vulcan>I'm using debian
01:49<bitmand>vulcan: just try to log ind as a regular user, then 'su -' - give it the root pass and see if it works :)
01:49<bitmand>but bob2 is correct btw :)
01:49<bob2>then read the bottom of the default file
01:50<bob2>(spoiler alert: 'adduser username sudo' adds username to the sudo group)
01:50<vulcan>bitmand: that works.
01:50<bitmand>vulcan: yay - you are now officially root :)
01:50<bitmand>..again :)
01:50<vulcan>bob2: I don't see that in mine
01:51<bob2>see what
01:51<bitmand>vulcan: I recommand disabling root login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config as well :)
01:51<vulcan>I thought you were implying it mentiopned that in the comments
01:51<bitmand>recommend* (geeez its still early)
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01:52<bob2>just read the whole default config file
01:54<vulcan>I did actually read it
01:54<vulcan>I'm not sure I'm seeing anything that helps me
01:55<vulcan>it says that uncommenting that llike will allow users in the sudo group to not need to supply a password
01:55<vulcan>but thats not wat I was trying to do
01:55<bob2>read it again
01:55<vulcan>but I guess I could assume that the default behavior must be to require a password, then
01:55<bob2>which word on the last line do you think tells sudo to NOT rquire a password
01:56<vulcan>so: %sudo ALL=PASSWD: ALL
01:56<bob2>or just remove NOPASSWD entirely
01:56<bob2>I suspect it looks mroe like "%sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL"
01:57<vulcan>I see: # %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
01:57<bob2>oh well
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03:23<jonny5>hey, any admins in?
03:24<Peng>jonny5: array might be; why do you ask?
03:25<jonny5>Peng: My linode is running really slowly, even tried stopping MySQL and Apache completely and it is still sluggish, then I look in the Backups tab and there are two running at the same time
03:27<Peng>Oh, neat.
03:27<Peng>And yeah, definitely something a regular old user like me can't help with. :P
03:28<jonny5>My linode life really sucks recently
03:28<Peng>Just curious, what host are you on?
03:29<Peng>...They have 100 servers in Fremont? Wow.
03:29<jonny5>Going to reboot for the sake of rebooting
03:30<jonny5>I watch the console and it goes so slowly
03:30<jonny5>Like indicating that the problem isn't really my web site is inefficient or whatever
03:30<Peng>Makes sense that a backup job (worse, two) would do that.
03:30<jonny5>(sorry it is morning and I am talking backwards)
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03:32<jonny5>I'd throw money at getting two servers to run my app but it doesn't seem like the problem if the server itself is sluggish starting up :( SSHD has been starting up in the console for 2 minutes now
03:33<jonny5>woe is me
03:34<bd_>yeah you should probably put in a ticket for that
03:34<bd_>people get paged for tickets, not so much for IrC
03:35<jonny5>Done (put urgent in the subject too and apologised in the ticket to avoid nerdrage)
03:36<bd_>They've got a guy in australia, if he's on call right now you might not even be waking anyone up :)
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03:37<chesty>it's almost dark in sydney, array should be about to get up any moment now
03:37<jonny5>Server admin is stress central sometimes
03:37<jonny5>Payback for all those hours of sitting back
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03:42<jarryd>oh wow, that is the same array rvrsl knew
03:43<@array>now that's a name i haven't heared in a while
03:43<@array>jarryd: looking into this now for you
03:43<jarryd>(wrong j-nick)
03:44<jarryd>but yeah, i wasn't sure if you were the same danny
03:45<jonny5>hi array
03:47<@array>jonny5: howdy, see PM
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03:51<amitz>ooh, just found out about the really bad weather in US east coast.
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03:53<amitz>heh, an ad on normal newspaper by citibank for companies interested to be their direct sales agency. A new low.
03:54<jonny5>we've got a tiny bit of snow and the country is broken (england)
03:54<amitz>jonny5: ah, I suppose a lot worse than usual.
03:54<chesty>if you're in england, why do you hava a server in fremont?
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03:56<jonny5>chesty: need to be close to an API
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03:58<amitz>Perhaps I should be their direct sales agency and harvest people's financial record :-p
03:58<Peng>There's really bad weather in the US east coast?
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04:04<Peng>What, the snow at Linode HQ?
04:04<Peng>Oh, that's right, it's been pretty cold down here in Florida too. No wonder I'm chilly tonight!
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04:09<jonny5>IRC support rox :)
04:10<redpages>hey so ive got debian goin'
04:10<redpages>it's complaining about locales
04:11<redpages>"cannot set LC_CTYPE"
04:11<Peng>redpages: sudo apt-get install language-pack-en
04:11<Peng>redpages: (or whatever your language is!)
04:11<redpages>what makes you so wise in the ways of science
04:12<redpages>cant find that package
04:13<redpages>im just going to wipe this bad boy out
04:14<redpages>how much HD space does debian need
04:14<redpages>oh yeah you can resize
04:14<beefsalad>debian? depends on what you want to do with it
04:15<beefsalad>I've ripped it down to a couple of hundred megs in the past, and it can be made smaller...
04:15<Peng>redpages: Eh, that works on Ubuntu. :P
04:15<Peng>redpages: Get Googling!
04:16<jonny5>Microsoft own Sudo what are you doing????
04:17<redpages>i like but they all start configuring in the GUI
04:17<redpages>in their tutorials
04:18<redpages>i like microsoft
04:18<jonny5>w00t problem fixed, looks like a bug with the beta backup service
04:19<redpages>im on my ubuntu partition but i dont hate on microsoft
04:19<jonny5>fml ideas to improve reliability and whatnot cause more problems
04:19<redpages>microsoft changed the world =P
04:19<redpages>you know what's a sucky company, apple
04:19<jonny5>I really do like Windows 7. I thought I'd never switch from XP, but now this is nicer than OS X
04:20<redpages>bing is edumacational
04:20<redpages>good lord i hate apple computers
04:20<redpages>or macs
04:20<redpages>or whatever theyre called them now
04:20<redpages>im sure i'm wrong =)
04:23<Peng>What are you, suicidal?
04:24<amitz>hmm.. how old am I if you have to guess?
04:25<redpages>younger than 18
04:25<redpages>i base that guess solely on the question asked
04:25<amitz>redpages: oh, I'm asking regulars here but thank you :-)
04:25<redpages>im around town
04:25<redpages>you know what's the biggest group of nazis on irc?
04:26<redpages>#ubuntu-offtopic on freenode
04:26<redpages>just wanted to point that out
04:28<beefsalad>obviously you haven't been in #*bsd
04:28<redpages>hell that whole network are a bunch of elitists
04:29<beefsalad>elitist nazi pricks, get it right
04:30<redpages>!language | beefsalad
04:30<redpages>it's fun looking up ridiculous ubottu factoids and ban evading, not gonna lie
04:33<jonny5>Anyone want a burger king?
04:37<Peng>I've always had a good experience on Freenode. I guess I hang out in teh wrong channels?
04:40<redpages>cronjob sounds dirty
04:41<redpages>Peng: Most likely you are a rational mature person who doesn't have a problem with internet authority figures.
04:43<jonny5>urmom gives cronjobs * * * * *
04:44<Peng>I have nothing against authority, as long as it's deserved.
04:45<redpages> is a pretty good search engine
04:45<redpages>it can come up with some good sites
04:46<redpages>anyone ever hear of webmin
04:50<jonny5>I use webmin
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04:56<redpages>rut roh rorg
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04:57<redpages>i just had the best killer startup idea
04:58<redpages>you can have it since im nowhere near being able to create a website
04:58<redpages>make a website like and write all this bs about how linux is communist
04:58<redpages>attract angry linux users and sell them server space
04:58<redpages>it's genius
04:59<Peng>Why would they buy server space...?
04:59<redpages>dunno they'd click on ads
05:00<redpages>it's a winner trust me
05:01<redpages>i just had another genius idea you can have
05:01<redpages>make a site like
05:01<redpages>but sell yachts
05:02<redpages>or timeshares in new zealand
05:02<redpages>man there's no off position on the genius switch
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05:03<redpages>maybe a high-end paperplane manufacturing company
05:03<redpages>hello edonemem
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05:04<redpages>I don't know Peng, I'd play it safe and just write the next great novel
05:07<redpages>i hate to get political but lol @ at this health bill
05:08<redpages>it's like angry sex
05:09<redpages>lol gawker is hilarious ribbing huffington
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05:11<redpages>"Newark mayor double teaming Huffington"
05:13<redpages>i have way too many rss feeds
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05:15<mariorz>Hi, is there something i need to do so that the paravirt kernes are selectable?
05:16<bob2>be on a xen node
05:16<mariorz>doesn't appear on the kernel dropdown
05:18<mariorz>so if i fucked up my ubuntu by upgrading to karmic, the only thing to do is look into rolling back to jaunty?
05:18<bob2>are you still on uml?
05:19<bob2>if you're ok with xen, you can file a ticket requesting a move
05:19<mariorz>can i jsut switch to xen?
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05:20<mariorz>where would i create said ticket?
05:20<bob2>in the doohickey
05:20<mariorz>thanks :)
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05:43<Peng>!f Who played Jamie in Mad About You?
05:43<linbot>Peng: I'm afraid I can't do that
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05:57<amitzz>need distraction.
05:58<uuid>I recommend the internet
05:58<redpages>get hulu desktop
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06:00<amitzz>what if i need distraction from the internet?
06:00<redpages>read a fine work of literature
06:00<amitzz>like twilight? :-p
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06:02<Yaakov>Read Harry Potter: Escape from Slicehost
06:03<redpages>you just wanted to show off your underlining power
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06:04<amitzz>OMG! A NEW H4RRY P0TT3R!
06:07<amitzz>hmm i'm easily angered these days..
06:07<Yaakov>That's because you are stupid, ugly and smell bad.
06:07<Yaakov>Oh... I hope you didn't take that wrong...
06:08<Yaakov>I just... well, your comment made me mad.
06:08<amitzz>YAAKOV! I'M ANGRY!
06:08<Yaakov>I can see you shaking your tiny, ineffectual fist.
06:10*amitzz sends the ..uh wrath of his anger to yaakov..
06:10<amitzz>!f wrath
06:10<linbot>amitzz: Anger is an emotion. The physical effects of anger include increased heart rate, blood pressure, and levels of adrenaline and noradrenaline. Some view anger as part of the fight or flight brain response to the perceived threat of harm. Anger becomes the predominant feeling behaviorally, cognitively, and physiologically when a person makes the conscious choice to take action to immediately stop the (1 more message)
06:11<amitzz>stupid linbot.
06:11<chesty>!moar amitzz
06:11<linbot>chesty: threatening behavior of another outside force. The English term originally comes from the term angr of Old Norse language. Anger can have many physical and mental consequences.
06:12<Yaakov>amitzz: I picture you like the last panel in this strip:
06:13<amitzz>hmm, i suppose 'feel the wrath of my anger' is grammatically wrong..
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06:15<Yaakov>The Manual of Style calls for underlining bibliographic entries.
06:15<redpages>it's italics these days
06:15<Yaakov>No italics available, so underline.
06:16<amitzz>too difficult to see with this client. are you referring to pig? rat?
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06:16<Yaakov>Typewriter style.
06:16<Yaakov>amitzz: Yes.
06:16<uuid>it's whatever the word template provided by journal xyz dictates
06:16<amitzz>ah, yeah. ancient standard.
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06:16<uuid>and what their non-english speaking correction office says
06:17*redpages follows APSA
06:17<redpages>american political science association style.. slightly modified chicago
06:17<Yaakov>I follow the Yaakov Manual of Style.
06:17*amitzz uses APA
06:17<redpages>there's an IT manual of style apparently
06:17<uuid>yuck apa
06:18<uuid>the most bitchy of em all
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06:18<amitzz>uuid: what part?
06:18<Yaakov>I have been meaning to write up my Real-time Chat Manual of Style, Grammar and Punctuation for quite some time.
06:19<amitzz>rcmsgp. i can hurt my tongue saying that...
06:19<uuid>amitzz: they seem to have the most detailed rules for the most tiny details, PLUS the psychologists I encounter seem the most eager to enforce them all
06:19<redpages>im listening to the 100 best songs of the decade according to rhapsody
06:19<Yaakov>It is a hybrid of written and spoken language for rendering thoughts in interactive, real-time and near-real-time commnications media.
06:19<uuid>Yaakov: that would be an instant classic
06:20<amitzz>uuid: perhaps psychologists are secretly obsessive compulsive. :-p
06:20<uuid>amitzz: they're also insanely secretive and organized
06:21<uuid>ie paranoid
06:21<Yaakov>uuid: Well, to the extent that some people would accept it as authoritative (a mistake), some would find it useful as a suggestion on methods for clear communication, and some would rail against is with spewing blather and flaming rage, perhaps.
06:21<Yaakov>But I probably really will do it some day.
06:21<uuid>Yaakov: I would support any efforts directed at having it shipped as a mandatory auto-correction filter in mirc
06:21<Yaakov>In my copious free time...
06:22<amitzz>organized as in creating artificial supply shortage of psychologists? :-p
06:22<uuid>amitzz: you read my mind
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06:23<amitzz>to be fair, many professions also do that :-)
06:23<Yaakov>I happen to be a fan of full capitalization and punctuation--to the extent they aid reading and comprehension. Though also, to be honest, on aesthetic grounds. However, slavish adherence to the arbitrary standards of the past is an error.
06:24<uuid>amitzz: professions, but this is also meant to be a branch of science
06:24<Yaakov>Particularly given the nature of something like IRC which necessarily blends the qualities of the spoken and the written.
06:24<uuid>they do quite well with keeping people away from their journals as well :(
06:25<Yaakov>Hello VoidVagrant.
06:25<amitzz>yaakov: i can feel the pleasure in writing correct sentence yet the dark side appeal of shorthands and time saving are often time too great.
06:25<Yaakov>amitzz: Which was that a specimen of?
06:25<Yaakov>amitzz: :)
06:27<redpages>hey, don't go dissing academia!
06:27<amitzz>uuid: psychologist feels estatic when someone considers psychology as science :-)
06:28<uuid>amitzz: I know, I know :(
06:28<Yaakov>Psychology is just as much of a science as systems administration and don't you forget that.
06:28<uuid>but still man descends from ape and psychology from freud :D
06:28<redpages>hey! don't go dissing my B.A. in political science!
06:28<uuid>(technically wrong but sounds great)
06:28<amitzz>yaakov: still parsing your sentence..
06:28<uuid>Yaakov: how much physics has systems administration managed to absorb?
06:29<amitzz>yaakov: about which specimen.
06:29<Yaakov>You comment, was it an example of the former or the latter referent in itself?
06:29<amitzz>uuid: haha, why do you know so much about psychology?
06:29<amitzz>uuid: haha, why do you know so much about psychology?
06:30<redpages>my guess is he studies it
06:30<Yaakov>Psychology descends from Plato. I leave demonstrating this as an exercise for the reader.
06:30<uuid>I defend the rest of the social sciences (observe the insult!) against the heretic child of psychology
06:30<uuid>which my sister studies
06:31<uuid>Yaakov: Are you trying your hands at reductionism? We'll end up with atoms in the end.
06:31<redpages>there's a lot of pseudointellectualism going around here
06:31<amitzz>yaakov: i think historically yeah, philosophy - psychology. the story seems interesting.
06:32<redpages>let's take it down a notch and bring us back to an irc channel or im going to start lecturing on median voter theory
06:32<Yaakov>"Political Science" is a funny idea.
06:32<uuid>redpages: that's because irc hardly gives you time to say anything significant
06:32<Yaakov>It is like scientific metaphysics.
06:32<redpages>political science is a great discipline
06:33<Yaakov>Note that you must allow some slack to set the hook.
06:33<amitzz>uuid: on the other hand, if i get a cs degree, i can get jobs easier :-)
06:33<redpages>it's economics, philosophy, history, international relations etc rolled into one
06:33<redpages>get a liberal arts degree
06:33<uuid>+ methods
06:33<redpages>what is c
06:33<redpages>oh computer science
06:34<redpages>sure, that's a real major
06:34<redpages>it's the study of computational theory
06:34<redpages>go for it
06:34<Yaakov>The study of politics is descriptive and can't really be called science in the sense of something like chemistry or physics. If the word is used it means something different, though it was chosen because it was intended to mean the same thing.
06:35<uuid>Yaakov It was chosen mainly because of roots in cultures where the word "science" has a broader meaning.
06:35<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: It's the drugs, they muddle thinking.
06:35<Yaakov>uuid: I think it is easily traced back to Kant's Critique of Pure Reason.
06:35<redpages>political science?
06:35<redpages>it's a science
06:35<uuid>Yaakov That's not an entirely undefendable claim.
06:36*amitzz glads he doesn't have to defend himself but watch others defend themselves. the pleasure on others' sufferings.
06:36<redpages>political scientists are economists, statiticians, philosophers .. they make normative and positive theories about past and present
06:36<uuid>redpages: Their main problem though remains that they have a hard time explaining why they can't and don't even try to predict the future.
06:36<redpages>the world is shaped and has been shaped by human beings first consenting to government and deflecting to leadership and law and rules.. or the few men who were born into the privilige to making such decisions
06:37<amitzz>redpages: employers like shiny degrees even though they are probably irrelevant.
06:37<uuid>IE: They still try to defend themselves against naive reductionism.
06:37<redpages>why do nations war with each other? what causes a revolt? what is successful policy? what is harmful policy?
06:38<redpages>it's an important subject
06:38<amitzz>one thing i always want to ask, do you learn how to manipulate people well? political scientist.
06:38<amitzz>one thing i always want to ask, do you learn how to manipulate people well? political scientist.
06:38<redpages>just defending the study as relevant and a science
06:38<uuid>If my internet were any faster I'd insert a quote from Pierre Laplace here, but it's not so please imagine one.
06:38<Yaakov>uuid: The origins of "political science" are based in the confluence of Englightenment philosophy and the advent of scientific method. Unfortunately, politics is something that cannot be seen, even in the most basic way, as objectively discernable. It is intimately tied up with language, culture and pyschology which also all interact. That's why I aver that "politcial science" is a descriptive discipline and cannot pretend an objective basis.
06:38<redpages>political scientists aren't learning to be politicians
06:39<Yaakov>amitzz: Why do you repeat so often?
06:39<Yaakov>amitzz: Why do you repeat so often?
06:39<uuid>Yaakov: Are you aware that you're trying to re-enact the positivism dispute?
06:39<redpages>i think political science is a major more people would enjoy than they think
06:40<amitzz>amitzz: oh bad irc client, others have complained about it..
06:40<redpages>it's really the full package of understanding the world more richly
06:40<Yaakov>uuid: No, that's disposed of. I am post-Wittgenstein.
06:40<redpages>people think politics they think politicians and elections
06:40<amitzz>i mean, yaakov.
06:41<Yaakov>.oO( Repeats, talks to himself... I wonder if he's on drugs... )
06:41<redpages>don't make me seperate you two
06:42<Yaakov>redpages: I do have particular ideas about the epistemological limits of social studies in general.
06:42<Yaakov>redpages: I don't believe in any useful "human objectivity".
06:42<amitzz>naw, just a too small screen, windows manager that won't tile, really small keyboard, and the aftermath of wrath.
06:42<uuid>Yaakov: So how would you align the "post-objective" methods and theories in physics with your positivistic (or as Popper would call it) critic view?
06:43<Yaakov>uuid: I am very much NOT a positivist.
06:43<Yaakov>uuid: I am rather anti-positivist, in fact.
06:44<uuid>So the idea of intersubjectively reproducable observations sounds good to you?
06:44<amitzz>damn, this talk should be held when i have access to my main pc. bummer.
06:44<Yaakov>I think "objectivity" is a chimera. In fact I am rather sympathetic to Idealism.
06:44<uuid>along with testable assumptions about the interplay of measurable observations?
06:44<redpages>amitzz: i think the firefox toolbar is in full force for this one
06:44<Yaakov>Though I don't have any formal theory that accounts for its claims.
06:44<amitzz>although some of the stuff here are whoosh for me...
06:45<uuid>Another battle lost and won :( (:
06:45*uuid Strolls off to work
06:45<Yaakov>uuid: I think that before we can even get to that point we encounter a fatal flaw. I don't see a special rôle for "measurable observations" as the arbiter of what is "true".
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06:46<Yaakov>OK, fun but I do have to go deal with my laundry and get to work myself.
06:47<uuid>Let's continue somewhen
06:47<Yaakov>That seems a good idea.
06:47<Yaakov>Perhaps you can read some of the blather I've produced explaining my ideas.
06:47<amitzz>well, thanks for the entertainment. my emotional states is back to normal :-)
06:47<amitzz>well, thanks for the entertainment. my emotional states is back to normal :-)
06:48<Yaakov>That makes me mad.
06:48<Yaakov>OK, later then.
06:48<amitzz>yaakov: i'm glad i made you mad. yep, i'm back to normal!
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06:50<uuid>amitzz: I think Kierkegaard once wrote a small treatise on the meaning of repetition
06:50<uuid>you should look that up somewhen
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07:19<Big-Mama>How do I uninstall software on my Linode Ubuntu Jaunty?
07:23<bob2>how did you install it?
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07:37<linbot>New news from forums: Anyone using pbzip2? in General Discussion <>
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08:46<Bohemian>hi all
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09:02<avar>I'm trying to set up linode's nameservers as slaves for my domain as described here: but they're refusing my NOTIFY requests. Do I have to register somewhere to have linode slave my domains?
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09:03<chesty>avar: did you add the domain as a slave in linodes control panel?
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09:04<avar>Nope, that would be the problem. I thought from reading that guide that they'd been set up to promiscuously accept NOTIFY from the linode subnet :)
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09:06<chesty>there's also 4 linode names servers, if you want to use all of them
09:06<chesty>there might be five by now
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09:06<linbot>chesty: Host not found.
09:06<chesty>nope, just 4
09:06<chesty>oh sorry, there is 5 now
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09:08<amitzzz>enough with opera mini today.
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09:16<bob2>5's not live yet afaik
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09:55<literal>Hi. I paid 1 month for a linode a couple of weeks ago for evaluation, intending to pay for 1 year (2010) for the 10% discount if I decided to stick with it. Can I do that just by paying that fee on the "Make a payment" page?
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09:56<@jed>literal: file a ticket and we'll get you taken care of
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09:57*abysed thinks of doing the same
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10:11<literal>Another issue. It seems that I can't grant a user permissions to import zones in the DNS manager without disabling all access restrictions for him.
10:11<@caker>literal: what do you mean?
10:12<literal>I mean that no combination of access restrictions allows a user to import zones in the DNS manager. It only works if I set the user to "No - this user has no access restrictions"
10:13<@caker>hmm .. let me take a look
10:13<literal>Even if I turn on access restrictions but give him permission to do everything, he still can't import zones.
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10:13<literal>I would have thought that "Can add Domains using the DNS Manager" would be enough...
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10:15<literal>I would like to be able to let other users import zones without giving them permission to spend my money. :)
10:15<@caker>yes, I'm looking at it now. One sec
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10:28<@caker>literal: ok, fixed :)
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10:36<mwalling>can i see hostnames for the allowed ips in the dashboard?
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10:37<mwalling>i'd like to see if it belongs to or something at at a glance (since i dont have comcast, but i do have roadrunner)
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10:40<adj>ie is one seriously annoying browser...
10:45<TheFirst>and you're just realizing this?
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10:49<adj>nope, but its monday...
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11:52<luelher>i'm new in vps
11:52<grawity>Hi luelher
11:54<Pryon>Yaakov: you are a figment of my imagination so I will not greetyou
11:55<luelher>I need to know that I need to install a vpn server, what plan en linode is bether for that
11:55<Yaakov>Imagine that...
11:55<Yaakov>luelher: What do you want it to do?
11:56<luelher>a vpn server for remote suport
11:56<Pryon>what sort of software do you use for remote support?
11:57<Pryon>anything else?
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11:57<luelher>not now
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11:58<Pryon>Well, that's easily done on a 360
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11:58<luelher>only that, a vpn server
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11:59<Pryon>I suppose if you were planning on thousands of simultaneous connections you might run into trouble
11:59<luelher>then I increase to offer other services?
12:00<Pryon>luelher: You can do a lot with a 360. It is difficult to say what you need without more information. For running openvpn a 360 will be fine.
12:01<luelher>of course, only need five or six nodes connected by now
12:01<Pryon>It is very easy to upgrade if you need to.
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12:18<Yaakov>HAI PRYON
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12:20<AlexC_>could someone do a 'dig txt' and tell me what they get please? It seems DNS is taking a much longer time to update than normal (noticed this twice now with Linode)
12:21<adj>answer 0
12:21<mwalling>!dig TXT
12:21<linbot>mwalling: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 86400 IN SOA 2009121050 7200 7200 1209600 86400
12:22<AlexC_>a handy =) And hum, still not there
12:23<Pryon>HI FIGGY
12:23<mwalling>AlexC_: whats teh edit and generated timestamps for the zone?
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12:25<AlexC_>mwalling: it was a typo fix, I had a txt record which would have been '', changed it to be just ''. Not sure what timestamp, do you want the one in linodes manager, or the actual zone file?
12:25<mwalling>the one in the manager
12:25<AlexC_>2009-12-21 02:30:38 PM (GMT)
12:26<mwalling>if you're at edited + 15min and rendered hasn't updated, check the zone
12:26<AlexC_>yeah this is 3 hours ago now
12:26<mwalling>check the zone
12:26<AlexC_>have, it's correct
12:26<mwalling>open a ticket then. something needs a stick in its ass
12:26<AlexC_>I noticed this when I changed over A records 10 days ago, with my migration to London
12:27<AlexC_>took over a day for A records to change on my mind (some people saw change much quicker, but even at work it was still a day)
12:27<AlexC_>will do
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12:34<AlexC_>quick unrelated question, is there an easier way to manage subdomains for 3 domains? I have - all .com and I redirect to .org, and if I setup a subdomain on .org I have to do it on .com and as well. Does Linode allow you to setup wildcard DNS for those?
12:35<AlexC_>excellent, thanks caker =)
12:37<TheJoe>Two guys on the same ISP are being refused access to my SMTP server, Connection error 10060. Can we assume that the ISP is blocking it, or does 10060 mean something else?
12:38<grawity>"10060" doesn't mean anything by itself... If it's the Windows' "10060 Connection Timed Out" one, then it might be your ISP, yes.
12:39<straterra>Oops, sorry
12:39<straterra>Try that
12:39<TheJoe>Yeah, was just looking to confirm that. Thanks, grawity
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12:40<grawity>Note I didn't say "100% sure it is your ISP". But at least that's what one gets when his ISP drops all packets to, say, port 25. (I have that.)
12:40<TheJoe>So I need to change the port that postfix listens on
12:40<adj>TheJoe: are you using port 25 for client smtp?
12:40<TheJoe>adj: Yeah
12:40<adj>bad idea =)
12:41<adj>25 is for mta to mta smtp
12:41<adj>587 is the submission port
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12:41<adj>just enable submission in
12:41<TheJoe>I'll give it a go, thanks
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12:43<MonkeyIsland>What happens if I do 'apt-get install' something that is already installed with 'aptitude install' ?
12:43<grawity>MonkeyIsland: Nothing.
12:43<MonkeyIsland>ok thanks
12:44<TheJoe>You still have the coolest nick in #linode.
12:44<TheJoe>Just saying
12:44<TheJoe>adj: Ok awesome, thst worked
12:44<TheJoe>adj: thanks
12:44<MonkeyIsland>lol thank you ^^
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12:45<alg>hey folks
12:45<alg>I finally got debian and network working
12:45<alg>haha yes!
12:45<alg>so long windows lol
12:46<alg>what would be easiest way to install mini pci wifi card?
12:46<alg>I got driver name
12:46<TheJoe>Try #debian on Freenode
12:47<alg>ok cool
12:49<Pryon>I think oftc's #debian is considered the "official" #debian now
12:49<TheJoe>Really? It seemed pretty active to me
12:49<TheJoe>Unless it changed in the last 2 days when I stopped using Debian
12:50<AlexC_>official or not, you still get help either way
12:50<amitz>habits die hard.
12:51<TheJoe>I read that as "Hobbits die hard"
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12:52<Vaibhav>is somebody there?
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12:53<Pryon>Are you there, linode? It's me, Margaret
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12:55<amitz>what's up margaret? You haven't called me.
12:55<Yaakov>HAI PRYON
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12:56<amitz>woah, I just saw Pyron's pigment of imagination.
12:57<TheJoe>Pigment of imagination? I think you're using the wrong word there.
12:57<adj>for all intesive purposes he got it right though
12:58<Vaibhav>does linode support phpfox konsort?
12:58<alg>add remove applications stuck
12:58<linbot>New news from forums: Using Linodes as proxies for each other? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
12:58<adj>Vaibhav: if it works on linux, it works on linode
12:58<alg>whats the way to stop proccess in linux?
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12:59<amitz>ah, figment.
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13:01<Vaibhav>adj: here are the server requirements
13:01<TheJoe>amitz: Yeah, "pigment" is the thingy-thing that gives hair and skin colour
13:01<adj>Vaibhav: i really could care less...
13:01<adj>Vaibhav: i'm not the one who needs it. you look at the requirements. does it run on linux?
13:01<Vaibhav>adj: correct boss :)
13:02<adj>then it will work on linode. your linode is just a linux distro in a VPS
13:02<amitz>TheJoe: I know about pigment. I thought it was meant to be a component that makes up and colors your imagination :-p
13:02<TheJoe>amitz: When you think about it like that, "pigment of imagination" doesn't sound wrong at all!
13:03<TheJoe>Artistic license and all that
13:03<amitz>but I learn something new today :-)
13:04<mwalling>adj: omg linode is too hard, i want you to do it for me
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13:05<alg>hey folks if I want to add none free components to sources to I type deb lenny main contrib non-free in terminal?
13:05<alg>linux newbie :)
13:05<amitz>Vaibhav: what we probably mean is, you have to ask that question, you will have to do/learn a lot of stuff before successfuly installing that konsort thingie.
13:05<amitz>if you have to ask that question
13:05<Vaibhav>adj: do you have any experience/idea about phpfox
13:05<@caker>alg: no, /etc/apt/sources.list
13:06<adj>Vaibhav: no
13:06<alg>caker ok thanks
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13:06<adj>Vaibhav: but it freakin' php and mysql you could run it on a toaster
13:07<adj>Vaibhav: if you want someone to do it for you, linode is not the place to be
13:07<amitz>Vaibhav: translating what adj says, linode can do it.
13:07<adj>amitz: i've already told him that twice...
13:08<AlexC_>caker: regarding wildcard DNS, I'm right in thinking * does not match the domain name its self, but just sub-domains?
13:08<Vaibhav>amitz & Adj: thanks
13:08<@caker>AlexC_: affirmative
13:08<AlexC_>caker: interesting, thanks
13:08<amitz>adj: I didn't notice the first one. The second one is a not so common reference to toaster :-)
13:08<Vaibhav>amitz & adj: hpefully am joining linode
13:08<adj>12:58 < adj> Vaibhav: if it works on linux, it works on linode
13:09<adj>13:02 < adj> then it will work on linode. your linode is just a linux distro in a VPS
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13:09<amitz>adj: but if you actually look at the page, besides mentioning linux, it also mentions apache, which is not obvious to be installable in linux.
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13:11<alg>ok I am adding line to third party soft and nothing happen
13:11<alg>deb lenny main contrib non-free
13:11<alg>is that the right syntax?
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13:12<amitz>yeah but have you run apt-get update yet?
13:13<amitz>to refresh
13:13<alg>I see
13:13<vuf>can I do something to minimize the time that an ext3 shrinking will take?
13:13<@caker>vuf: delete all your files?
13:13<@caker>otherwise, no
13:14<vuf>okay, I had hoped that some options could cause allocations to prefer the start of the fs. well, no biggie ...
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13:15<alg>amitz ok I running update as su
13:17<alg>line have not appeared as source link in third party software
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13:17<MonkeyIsland>Anyone can help me with dovecot?
13:18<vuf>how will we know, without knowing your question?
13:18<amitz>alg: I don't understand, please clarify.
13:18<alg>I was aiming to add extra source for non free software
13:18<alg>to list
13:19<alg>in apt
13:19<MonkeyIsland>vuf: I'm trying to set it up with this:
13:19<MonkeyIsland>I have ubuntu Hardy
13:19<alg>so I can install firmware part of mini wifi card
13:19<alg>file sources.list
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13:20<MonkeyIsland>It says my file must be like this:
13:20<MonkeyIsland>smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${queue_directory}/smtpd_scache
13:21<Vaibhav>amitz: what would be your final advice...please guide?
13:21<MonkeyIsland>the ${queue_directory} is like :${data_directory} in my file. I'm wondering if I should change it? or it is just the different version
13:22<alg>otherwise aptitude -t lenny-backports install debian-backports-keyring wont find the package
13:22<amitz>alg: what you're telling is not concrete enough. Looking at the trend, I believe you have better chance to be helped in #debian.
13:23<alg>amitz I want to add firmware component
13:23<alg>so I need to add source of non free
13:23<alg>soft to the list
13:23<alg>third party software sources
13:23<vuf>MonkeyIsland: that's probably the version
13:24<amitz>Vaibhav: with limited information, you better off use a "managed service". Sorry linode :-p
13:24<alg>hhm access to debian is blocked
13:24<amitz>alg: I think you want deb-src instead of deb. You need to google to find out :-)
13:25<alg>I got this
13:25<alg>now implementing it
13:28<alg>I tried via synaptic
13:28<alg>got W: GPG error: lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
13:28<alg>well its good
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13:29<alg>ok backports done
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13:30<alg>now I can be mod soon after another xxxxxxxxxxxxxx days with linux :D
13:31<JshWright> m
13:34<mwalling>always blaming the felines
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13:38<amitz>dog is nicer than cat.
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13:38<grawity>amitz: Except it's useless in shellscripts
13:39<amitz>grawity: unfortunately.
13:39<mwalling>alias dog=cat
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13:40<grawity>I just typed 'dog' and got the contents of http://localhost/
13:42<amitz>I knew it! Dog is superior than cat!
13:42<mwalling>no, you said "nicer"
13:43<mwalling>and trust me, Linode[TheCat] could kick any dog's ass
13:43<amitz>whatever :-p
13:43<mwalling> Linode[TheCat] is the black one
13:47<Pryon>haha. Cats and empty cardboard boxes are a universal constant
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13:50<Yaakov>HAI PRYON
13:51<Guspaz|m>I disapprove of mwalling's photostream; it has excessive amounts of the toxic poison known as "chocolate"
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13:51<Pryon>I keep hearing something in the wind, but I'm sure I'm just IMAGINING THINGS
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13:56<alg>wifi is working on debian!
13:56<alg>now I can set the rest
13:56<alg>and even progress to linode
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14:20<TheJoe>I just saw the video tour of the London datacentre, when they got to biometrics, it felt like a sci-fi movie
14:22<adj>heh, i visited one in atlanta once where they weighed you before and after you go in
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14:22<TheJoe>That's madness
14:22<adj>it wasn't just a scale. it was a glass room where you and your gear went in.
14:23<adj>they took serials and knew the weight of what you were leaving just so you couldn't walk out with anything "extra"
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14:23<straterra>Thats lame
14:23<straterra>"I swear, I forgot a CD in the server last week..."
14:23<TheJoe>What? Are you supposed to walk out with a whole server?
14:23<TheJoe>That's really crazy
14:24<adj>TheJoe: you'd be amazed how lax most datacenters are.
14:24<adj>most i've been to don't even have a respectable man trap
14:27<Yaakov>In my datacenter we kill you on principle if you so much as walk within 1000 meters of the facility.
14:28<Yaakov>We are having problems attracting customers.
14:28<Yaakov>And the few we got turned out to be deadbeats.
14:28<Yaakov>We've got lawsuits pending against several estates.
14:29<adj>sounds like good security. i may be interested in colo'ing a rack or two
14:29<TheJoe>Colo urmoms rack
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14:30<adj>speaking of security. has anyone else noticed the number of sysadmins/netops with their CWP is much higher than usual?
14:32<Yaakov>I only have a CCW.
14:32<adj>Yaakov: same thing. just different acronym in different states
14:32<straterra>I have a HERPES
14:32<Yaakov>Oh, in that case I have an LTK.
14:33<TheJoe>Well... I have a URMOM.
14:33<Yaakov>I wondered where she'd gone. Be careful, she's pretty old.
14:33<Yaakov>I mean, thankfully, she's in excellent health, but she's about 70, so...
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14:36<linbot>New news from forums: Cant send mail using exim/sendmail in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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14:53<JshWright>adj: no restrooms in the datacenter? I'm pretty sure I could eliminate a hard drives worth of mass without much trouble
14:54<AlexC_>the one with a few of my works servers in, locks you out if you swipe a door and don't go through it =\
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15:05<adj>JshWright: haha =) no. no restrooms in the controlled areas
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15:08<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
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15:18<nb_>adj, man trap? what exactly is that?
15:19<nb_>lol /me envisions a trapdoor in the floor
15:19<adj>nb_: s space the two locked doors
15:19<nb_>oh ok
15:19<randallman>Generally referring to a security measure in a datacenter
15:19<randallman>or other secure facility
15:19<randallman>You succeed getting in the first door but fail the 2nd
15:19<adj>only one can be opened at a time, usually. and both require authorization/authentication
15:19<randallman>they can turn on the laser cutting mesh
15:20<adj>randallman: and can't get back out the first =)
15:20<randallman>like in that zombie movie :)
15:20<randallman>Resident Evil 2 :)
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15:29<randallman>mwalling around? p
15:29<randallman>I need a ge employee to whack around :)
15:29<randallman>Im on the phone with ge right no
15:29<randallman>now :p
15:30<mwalling>randallman: query
15:30<randallman>Steve and Kevin
15:30<randallman>go figure
15:33<JshWright>boy do I wish I started using django-annoying sooner...
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15:34<JshWright>if nothing else, the @render_to decorator is worth the price of admission
15:34<mwalling>holy shit
15:35<mwalling>i think i just jizzed on the bottom of my desk
15:35<randallman>I gave up on dealing with the web :)
15:35<randallman>around 2002 :)
15:35<randallman>Right about the time CSS and such
15:36<randallman>actually around 2001
15:36<mwalling>django is awesome
15:36<randallman><FONT FACE="verdanna" SIZE="+2">Hi Mom</FONT>
15:36<randallman>*shrug* never used it :)
15:36<randallman>Im just saying I gave up on trying to develop webpages...
15:37<AlexC_>no <blink>?
15:37<randallman>They removed <blink> no?
15:37<AlexC_>and pretty much every other tag just being said :P
15:37<randallman>You can stil use <FONT> no ? :P
15:38<randallman>If you're a S/M
15:38<AlexC_>you can, yes - but it's deprecated
15:38<AlexC_>depending on doctype
15:38<randallman>Basically when most webpages became 80% javascript and CSS
15:38<randallman>is when I said 'To hell with it'
15:38<randallman>the web was not meant to be a typesetting language :)
15:38<randallman>(IMHO, of course)
15:39<adj>aren't there LaTeX to html/css generators? :P
15:39<randallman>Im sure there are :)
15:41<randallman>and obviously, my opinion is grossly incorrect :)
15:42<randallman>being as the web is basically one giant interactive tri-fold brochure these days :0
15:42<JshWright>randallman: that's the beauty of django... when the brain damage of HTML starts to get to you, you can go play in Python for a while
15:42<randallman>Ill have to check it out some day :)
15:42<straterra>Python isn't any better
15:43<randallman>I dont mind python
15:43<straterra>Python can die
15:43<randallman>Python is certainly more interesting than java
15:43<straterra>Java can die too
15:43<JshWright>straterra: sorry, I'm not _that_ bored ;)
15:44<adj>straterra is a staunch ASM developer
15:44<randallman>I've revised my opinion of java as of late
15:44<adj>high level languages are for the weak
15:44<randallman>Its not the language
15:44<randallman>its the developers :)
15:44<randallman>And it happens to all languages...
15:44<randallman>When they become the Industry Standard
15:44<straterra>Err, no. It's the language too
15:45<randallman>loads of non-qualified developers start churning out shit
15:45<randallman>left and right
15:45<straterra>strace a java app some time
15:45<randallman>egrep -v "futex|gettime"
15:45<randallman>That's all just threading...
15:45<straterra>Hence the language :P
15:45<randallman>Threading is where it's at :p
15:46<randallman>and all of that stuff is about thread sync
15:46<straterra>I might believe that if I found a single Java app that wasn't a sluggish, memory hogging peice of shit.
15:46<randallman>I wont argue that FAR too many objects wind up 'synchronized' because app devs dont know what they are doing.
15:46<randallman>Straterra, plenty exist :)
15:46<straterra>Like..a woman with good looks who cooks and cleans
15:46<randallman>we wrote, in house, a basic 302/301/frame grab URL Forwarding app
15:47<randallman>and it can deal with > 3000 qps.
15:47<randallman>Its not a total turd
15:47<randallman>and it uses JCS caching
15:47<randallman>to cache the entire database in memory every 10 minutes
15:47<randallman>We had to trace down 3 or 4 huge memory leaks since the app devs were retarded
15:47<randallman>but ultimately it works now
15:48<randallman>someone accidentally sent through it
15:48<randallman>to redierct to :)
15:48<randallman>did over 13m hits in one day.
15:50<randallman>strat - the apis have become quite bloated... spring, hibernate, etc...
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16:01<SelfishMan>!sp attorney
16:01<linbot>SelfishMan: This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
16:01<SelfishMan>screw you linbot
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16:38<azaghal>Just seen the expansion into Europe news...
16:40<vuf>yes it's great :)
16:40<azaghal>Are they already available? First impressions?
16:40<azaghal>And is the price the same?
16:41<vuf>available, and everything is the same ... only faster
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16:41<azaghal>What the heck was availability command again?
16:41<linbot>adj: Linode360 - 404, Linode540 - 128, Linode720 - 182, Linode1080 - 79, Linode1440 - 59, Linode2880 - 16
16:41<linbot>straterra: Linode360 - 404, Linode540 - 128, Linode720 - 182, Linode1080 - 79, Linode1440 - 59, Linode2880 - 16
16:42<azaghal>Ah, good :)
16:42<azaghal>Teehee - is it possible to migrate linodes from other places?
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16:42<adj>azaghal: yup
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16:45<azaghal>Very nice. Anyone had experience with migration already?
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16:45<vuf>azaghal, yes
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16:46<azaghal>vuf: How much time did it take?
16:46<azaghal>And any problems while doing so?
16:47<vuf>I think maybe two hours for a 360, only problem was the downtime. and obviously, ip addresses change.
16:49<Guspaz|m>Wow, Fremont is virtually full.
16:53<[Nuno]>hi ... caker suggested resizing (shrink) the disks to speed the transfer and the resize back again in the new location
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17:03<linbot>Linodes can be migrated between datacenters by simply opening a ticket. Your disk images will be copied intact, but you will be issued a new IP address. Once a migration is configured, it makes a button on the dashboard available for you to start the migration yourself. Migration typically takes about 1-3 minutes per GB.
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17:15<azaghal>[Nuno]: Thanks :)
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17:16<azaghal>Ok, seems the ping to UK is ~50ms for me if conditions are good.
17:16<azaghal>Comparable to, which is nice.
17:16<vuf>azaghal, where are you at?
17:16<vuf>yeah then 50ms sounds reasonable
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17:25<azaghal>vuf: Well, it _could_ be better if infrastructure here wasn't crap :)
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18:12<anrxc>I'm pretty happy with newark, and I'm also in south-east EU
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18:12<anrxc>considering a lot of the people that access my systems are in the US, it's actually a good deal
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18:17<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so dumb, she runs Kubuntu64 on her 360! (733:7/0) [orumm]
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18:21<mwalling>OH HAI Yaakov !
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18:21<Yaakov>HELLO WALLING, M.
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18:26<mau>I'm having problems implementing time travel in php. I wonder what Im doing wrong.
18:27*dhoss spots a Yaakov
18:28<Yaakov>mau: Your crystal resonators are out of alignment. I also think your flux capacitor is leaky.
18:28<mau>Dammit! I've been had!
18:29*caker accelerates #linode to 88.8 MPH
18:29<Yaakov>Whoa. Acceleration.
18:29<@mikegrb>mmm cake
18:29<Yaakov>Hello, cakey-cake-cake.
18:29<mau>It's a lie.
18:30<@mikegrb>mmm cake
18:30<Yaakov>The cake may be a lie but the caker is pure, unadulterated truth.
18:31<mau>I've noticed that regarding browser text games, space and fantasy games are overdone.
18:32<mau>How about a hosting simulator? lol
18:33<Pryon>Yaakov: No, I'm the only thing I'm sure exists (not a solopsist)
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18:36<Pryon>Yaakov: did you dance naked around a group of menhir(s) at noon today?
18:36<linbot>New news from forums: OpenVPN - server.conf problems in Linux Networking <>
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18:37<Yaakov>Pryon: Absolutely not.
18:37<Yaakov>I am the opposite of a Pagan.
18:39<TheJoe>Yaakov: A Jedi?
18:40<Yaakov>TheJoe: A Jew.
18:40<Yaakov>An orthodox Jew, particularly.
18:41<Yaakov>I supppose I am somewhat unorthodox in my orthodoxy, however.
18:42<Pryon>I was trying to think of a good way to say that but came up blank
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19:35<amitz>mwalling: is (s)he related to linode or you just named Linode[TheCat]?
19:39<Smark>whats the XMPP server of choice?
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19:46<Smark>thanks bob2
19:48<bob2>for me anyway ;)
19:50<Smark>is it realistic to run a XMPP server for only a few alerts a day? Research shows XMPP is easily integrated into a lot of applications. Any input on this?
19:52<anrxc>Smark: if you want a really small and efficient (Lua!) jabberd check the
20:01<amitz>global weather does change..
20:02<amitz>perhaps one of the mega disasters movie will be a reality.
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20:17<BarkerJr>I hope it gets warmer
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20:46<mwalling>Smark: i use ejabberd, and thats pretty much only for my * to send out caller id
20:46<mwalling>amitz: the latter
20:46<amitz>BarkerJr: I wish the weather will even out across the world.
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20:47<amitz>mwalling: Somehow the eyes give me the impression that it's a living voodo doll to blackmail linode. :-p
20:48<BarkerJr>amitz: it will nce we get the greenhouse effect
20:48<mwalling>amitz: its my mikegrb voodo doll
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20:59<amitz>Job ad: "IT expert"... although to be fair, it's actually "ERP/IT expert".. but still...
21:05<amitz>so many saying a CS degree is a must.. *sigh*
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21:17<Customer>Hello There
21:18<Customer>I Need TO Ask Some Questions About
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21:18<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
21:18<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
21:19<Customer>i need to know all info about plan number 2
21:19<amitz>what's plan number 2? link please.
21:19<Customer>vps hosting
21:20<bd_>Linode numbers their plans, but none of those numbers are '2'
21:20<bd_>Do you mean the Linode 540 plan?
21:20<Customer>Linode 540
21:21<bd_>Well, the price, disk, memory, and transfer allotments are right there on
21:21<bd_>What else do you want to know?
21:21<Customer>i need to know it's have virtuzoo power panel and cpanel whm ?? or not ?
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21:22<bd_>Linode does not run virtuozo, but rather Xen with its own custom control panel. Cpanel you can install youself if you want, but Linode does not provide it for you or install it for you.
21:23<Customer>ok thanks
21:23<Customer>see you bye bye
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21:25<mwalling>whats a faq?
21:26<amitz>frequently _answered_ questions.
21:26<mwalling>no, thats the problem
21:27<amitz>you mean faq doesn't answer the questions well?
21:28<amitz>in a related note, perhaps it's time for linode to update it's faq..
21:29<amitz>or makes it searchable interactively. Every button press will change the query result. Despite the load, I think new customer (at least me) will appreciate it a lot.
21:29<bd_>eh, can be done in JS
21:29<amitz>yeah, its. I guess I must lookup that list of possessive anyday now...
21:30<amitz>ah great then :-)
21:30<bd_>but I'm not sure how useful it'd be :)
21:30<bd_>we do have skynet after all
21:30<bd_>!f Do you have cpanel?
21:30<linbot>bd_: This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
21:31<bd_>I never said skynet was _useful_
21:31<bd_>!f Who made you?
21:31<linbot>bd_: I was created by Stephen Wolfram and his team.
21:31<bd_>You know who to blame.
21:32<mwalling>!f control panel
21:32<linbot>mwalling: Do you sell Plesk or CPanel licenses? No, but you can obtain and install control panels on your Linode.
21:33<mwalling>bd_ just fails at skynet
21:33<bd_>I prefer to think of it as SelfishMan fails at search
21:33<mwalling>that too
21:33<SelfishMan>why do I fail at search?
21:33<mwalling>or perl
21:33<mwalling>[12-21] 21:30:47 < bd_> !f Do you have cpanel?
21:34<mwalling>SelfishMan: ^^ we didnt like the answer that gave
21:34*SelfishMan adds code to return non sequiters for every query from bd_
21:34*mwalling adds code to urmom
21:38<SelfishMan>bd_: it's as in "perhaps it is time for linode..."
21:38<linbot>New news from forums: Uplink Speed in Sales Questions and Answers <>
21:39<SelfishMan>mwalling: what's as in "what is a faq"
21:39<mwalling>!f do you have cpanel
21:39<linbot>mwalling: I'm afraid I can't do that
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21:42<snake88>hey people i have a question
21:42<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
21:43<snake88>ok well how can i report a bad site hosted on this service
21:43<SelfishMan>mwalling: fixed
21:43<mwalling>email the ARIN abuse contact for the offending ip address
21:43<mwalling>the same way you would for any abuse case
21:43<snake88>ok thanks
21:43<SelfishMan>snake88: can you define "bad site"?
21:44<snake88>hacking peoples info
21:44<mwalling>email the abuse contact
21:45<SelfishMan>mwalling: try that factoid now
21:45<mwalling>!f do you have cpanel
21:45<linbot>mwalling: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
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21:46<linbot> <-- push it. now.
21:46<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: ^---
21:46<mwalling>!f SelfishMan is a moron
21:46<linbot>mwalling: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
21:46<brandon272>Are there any Linode promotions going on right now?
21:46<SelfishMan>toldyou it was fixed
21:46<mwalling>brandon272: pay 12 months get 10% off, 24, get 15%
21:47<brandon272>cool, thanks
21:49<snake88>hey quick question... where do i get the email address for the abuse contact
21:49<SelfishMan>!f do you have cpanel
21:49<linbot>SelfishMan: Screw you, SelfishMan
21:49<snake88>because i cant find it any where
21:49<bd_>snake88: which is in whois
21:49<snake88>ok thanks
21:50<bd_>(for the IPs)
21:50<mwalling>snake88: whois the ip address.
21:51<amitz>lots of rain today...
21:51<amitz>and I heard Europe and US are hit by snow hard..
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21:52<snake88>yes where i live we got lots of snow friday night and there is still some outside
21:54<mwalling>north carolina has a snow experience factor of 24
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21:58*amitz stupidly google "snow experience factor"..
21:58<mwalling>it doesnt exist
21:58<mwalling>HoopyCat and i invented it friday
22:00<amitz>and what/how does it measure snow?
22:00<Bohemian>how do i get the command "patch" to work in debian (lenny)?
22:00<mwalling>Bohemian: how doesnt it work
22:00<Bohemian>i type it in and it says command not found
22:00<mwalling>did you install it?
22:01<mwalling>amitz: its a multipier of snowfall vs the "oh shit" factor the area experiences
22:04<Bohemian>no, i don't know what to install...
22:04<amitz>mwalling: wikipedia entry needed. You have 30 minutes, go!
22:04<mwalling>amitz: bah
22:04<Bohemian>sorry, i should have been more clear in my initial inquiry
22:04<mwalling>amitz: i'll probably write a blog post
22:04<mwalling>Bohemian: probably the package containing the patch program
22:05<mwalling>a quick search in aptitude makes the name of the package very obvious
22:07<snake88>do you live in NC mwalling?
22:07<snake88>oh well how did you know
22:07<snake88>lol that is where i live
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22:08<mwalling>gee, maybe the fact that your ip is a road runner ip in NC, and tehf act that the entire east cost (except for here) got snow
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22:08<mwalling>you're not anonymous on the internet
22:08<snake88>you are smart
22:08<snake88>well i try to be anonymous
22:09<mwalling>monkeys use tools
22:09<mwalling>are they smart?
22:09<mwalling>then how am i smart?
22:09<mwalling>so you just like to say that i'm smart/
22:09<mwalling>that doesnt sound smart
22:09<snake88>well you are smart for using tools
22:09<mwalling>[12-21] 22:09:01 < mwalling> monkeys use tools
22:09<mwalling>[12-21] 22:09:04 < mwalling> are they smart?
22:10<snake88>your confusing
22:10<mwalling>you're contridictory. you say i'm smart for using tools, but monkeys are not smart for using tools
22:11<snake88>But tell me when a monkey uses a computer?
22:11<bob2>er ok
22:11<mwalling>doesnt one of the gorillas use a computer for communication?
22:11<snake88>Ok...You got me
22:12<mwalling>the one who knows sign language
22:12<bd_>snake88: If you prefer a scholarly source, try Carmena, J. M. et al. Learning to control a brain-machine interface for reaching
22:12<bd_>and grasping by primates. PLoS Biol. 1, E42 (2003).
22:13<bd_>Which is probably close enough to a computer
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22:13<snake88>Close enough though
22:14<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS15830; ASN owner: TELECITYGROUP UK; ASN reg: 2002-09-11; City: London; State: London; Postal code: 20609; Country: GB; Latitude: 51.5002; Longitude: -0.1262; Area code: 301; Domains: 1;
22:14<ckundo>trying to redirect to in apache
22:14<ckundo>using vhost
22:14<mwalling>the all knowing wikipedia doesnt say koko uses a computer, must have been another one
22:14<mwalling>ckundo: congrats
22:15<ckundo>does linode A records have something overriding this?
22:15<bob2>nothing to do with linode, at all
22:15<ckundo>hm, using passenger, I suppose it's that then
22:16<linbot>snake88: Man, you really screwed up.
22:16<bd_>Linode creates the A records you tell it to create.
22:16<bd_>no more, no less.
22:16<snake88>wait how come it worked for selfishman
22:16<ckundo>sets www and mail by default tho
22:16<mwalling>ckundo: because you asked it to
22:16<SelfishMan>snake88: because I'm just *that* good
22:16<mwalling>ckundo: there was a little checkbox you probably didnt read that said "make some default records"
22:17<snake88>linbot hates me
22:17<ckundo>ok, so would that interfere with a redirect request?
22:17<ckundo>k thx
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22:18<SelfishMan>!sp contridictory
22:18<linbot>SelfishMan: Did you mean: contradictory
22:18<SelfishMan>mwalling: ^^^^^^
22:18<bd_>!sp urmom
22:18<linbot>bd_: Sorry, I don't know anything about that
22:19<snake88>Ok I give up
22:19<snake88> !sp urmom
22:20<snake88>MEAN BOT!!! lol
22:21<linbot>New news from forums: Why did I wait? in Customer Testimonials <>
22:26<amitz>!f sempoa
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22:26<linbot>amitz: formula | C_13H_15ClN_6O_7S; name | inpool; IUPAC name | methyl 3-chloro-5-[(4,6-dimethoxypyrimidin-2-yl)carbamoylsulfamoyl]-1-methyl-pyrazole-4-carboxylate
22:26<@jed>!f dextromethorphan
22:26<amitz>huh? interesting.
22:26<linbot>jed: formula | C_18H_25NO; name | dextromethorphan
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22:27<snake88>!f sempoa
22:27<linbot>snake88: formula | C_13H_15ClN_6O_7S; name | inpool; IUPAC name | methyl 3-chloro-5-[(4,6-dimethoxypyrimidin-2-yl)carbamoylsulfamoyl]-1-methyl-pyrazole-4-carboxylate
22:27<amitz>!f abacus
22:27<linbot>amitz: The abacus, also called a counting frame, is a calculating tool used primarily in parts of Asia for performing arithmetic processes. Today, abacuses are often constructed as a bamboo frame with beads sliding on wires, but originally they were beans or stones moved in grooves in sand or on tablets of wood, stone, or metal. The abacus was in use centuries before the adoption of the written modern numeral (1 more message)
22:28<amitz>^^ computer.
22:28<amitz>Some traditional people still prefer abacus over calculator.
22:31<amitz>notes to self: time is of essence for certain topic of chatting :-p
22:31<HedgeMage>LF has an abacus...he loves it.
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22:32<amitz>what's LF? Long Friend? :-p
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22:33<HedgeMage>amitz: Little Fish -- it's my son's nickname
22:35<amitz>HedgeMage: ah, I see. Not grasshopper? :-p any story behind it?
22:36<bob2>traumatic film
22:38<HedgeMage>amitz: When he was very small, I called him TT (short for "toddling tornado")...well, he loves fish (especially sharks), and one day he just announced that TT is a baby name and he is Little Fish. This was at the start of our CAS journey, when he was essentially nonverbal, so I was so impressed he could say it that I changed what I call him immediately!
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22:48<eyecool>wow.. so many ppl!
22:49<eyecool>everyone has linodes?
22:49<@tasaro>or a few
22:49<beefsalad>i can haz linode?
22:50<linbot>in soviet russa, linode has you!
22:50<HoopyCat>there's probably at least one or two people that just got confused, wandered in here, and stuck around even though they don't have a linode
22:50<bob2>how can I make my scanner work on ubuntu???
22:51<HoopyCat>bob2: apt-get install xsane, if i recall correctly
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22:52<eyecool>I was wondering why the forum volume seemed a little light... this seems the place to be!
22:53<HoopyCat>eyecool: nod... most quick-fire questions, or the ones that involve some real-time brainstorming, tend to work pretty well here. forums are slow ;-)
22:55*eyecool nods
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22:56<eyecool>ok cool... more linode confidence for me
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22:57<eyecool>I'm gettin' back to work!
22:57<eyecool>c u all later
22:57<HoopyCat>eyecool: enjoy! :-)
22:57<mwalling>linode, BYO awesome
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23:10<amitz>...the linode.log is hosed again..
23:10<SelfishMan>amitz: eh?
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23:13<amitz> <- The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression.
23:13<amitz>HedgeMage: sorry HedgeMage, I missed you.
23:13<HoopyCat>amitz: works for me
23:14<amitz>it works now..
23:14<HedgeMage>amitz: I'm still here
23:14<HoopyCat>amitz: maybe you caught it at the Entirely Wrong Moment. all the cool kids are at anyway
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23:16<ckundo>do cname records work immediately after defining them in the linode manager?
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23:17<@caker>ckundo: our DNS servers start serving up the changes on the next quarter hour. After that, you gotta wait for any resolvers that cached the non-existent result to time out
23:17<ckundo>ok cool
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23:22<amitz>HedgeMage: what's CAS?
23:25<chesty>crying and screaming
23:26<HedgeMage>amitz: Childhood Apraxia of Speech
23:27<chesty>i was close
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23:32<amitz>chesty: rhymes enough.
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23:32<amitz>I mean, natural enough.
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23:35<amitz>HedgeMage: ah, is that the thing that cause stutter?
23:37<HedgeMage>amitz: No, it's an oral motor planning disorder that prevents one from sequencing multiple mouth movements properly, as needed for speech. My son was almost completely nonverbal until he was 4.5 -- now at 6.5 he's quite intelligible (though with some verbal oddities), however we are playing catch-up with other skills he didn't learn while we were spending all of our energy on speech therapy.
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23:37<HedgeMage>amitz: Kids with CAS who get all the right therapy are usually resolved by grade 3 or 4 -- kids who don't have a life-long disability.
23:38<amitz>HedgeMage: what do you mean by verbal oddities?
23:38<amitz>in a related note, my parent said I started speaking at 5...
23:39<amitz>or not so related note :-p
23:40<amitz>well, I always thought that stuttering can be attributed to slowness in planning oral motor, but thats just a guess.
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23:41<HedgeMage>amitz: If "th" ends a word, it comes out as "st". He drops "l" sounds if they occur in the middle of a word. We have trouble distinguishing "v" and "b". He mixes up "he" and "she", "his" and "hers", etc, and drops articles ('a' 'an' and 'the'). Things like that. It's a combination of the oral motor planning problem, learning to sign before speaking (where you use "person" for everyone, him and her are less often used), and get
23:43<amitz>the part on mixing him/her, I really understand that :-p
23:44<chesty>yeah, i mix amitz up for a girl all the time
23:45<amitz>chesty: I'm probably a sexy woman who pretend to be a guy. You just lost your brownies point.
23:51<Peng>HedgeMage: That ended at "and get"
23:51<Peng>HedgeMage: "him and her are less often used), and get", that is
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23:54<HedgeMage> and getting behind on other skills because one can only work on so much at once.
23:54*HedgeMage wonders what happened to the irssi script that was supposed to be fixing overruns like that
23:56<Peng>Huh. Maybe you accidentally forgot to install it on this machine?
23:57*Peng shrugs
23:57<HedgeMage>bbiab, phone call
23:57<Peng>I've never heard of an irssi script not working before. And that's not exactly a complicated one.
23:57<Peng>HedgeMage: See you later. :)
23:58<amitz>_Read_ you later.
23:58<amitz>well, technically see but it implies seeing the actual person.
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23:59<Peng>amitz: No, actually I plant cameras in the houses of everyone I chat with.
23:59<amitz>chesty: meh
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