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---Logopened Tue Dec 22 00:00:14 2009
00:02<amitz>Peng: If I were you, I'd turn off the camera in pparadis and yaakov's home.
00:03<Peng>amitz: But I make the most money selling their tapes
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00:05<amitz>Peng: The reason I said so because I'm ridden with guilty feelings. I make more money by selling the tapes of you watching their tapes.
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00:08<Peng>Meta-stalking? That's creepy!
00:09<HedgeMage>You guys have *way* too much time on your hands.
00:09<amitz>Peng: you will feel really creepy if you know that Yaakov and pparadis are the people who buy the tapes of you watching their tapes...
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00:11<amitz>raining here, which means lower activity. Tis the season of extreme raining.
00:14<Peng>Well...well...I buy tapes of you selling tapes of pparadis and Yaakov buying tapes of me selling tapes of them!
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00:14<Peng>I think!
00:14<HedgeMage>Now you two are just making my head hurt.
00:15<Peng>Yeah, I try to carry around a bottle of ibuprofen for the people talking to me.
00:17<amitz>paracetamol ftw!
00:18<Peng>No aspirin fans?
00:19<amitz>kill your...that thing inside your stomach.
00:19<amitz>gastric, or something like that.
00:21<Peng>But it's supposed to be godo for your heart.
00:22<amitz>and but for your gastric(still thinking of a better word)
00:22<amitz>s/and but for/but not for/
00:23<Peng>Ain't medicine fun?
00:23<amitz>to be fair, paracetamol can damage your liver so...
00:27<Peng>But ibuprofen is made of puppies and rainbows, right?
00:28<Peng>....Wikipedia says ibuprofen can cause headaches. :D
00:28<Eman>thats why you take more
00:29<Peng>Uh-oh, is that going to destroy my childhood?
00:30<amitz>Peng: no, since I'm quite old (I think) and I don't really understand the reference...
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00:33<chesty>dr suess is pretty old too
00:34<Battousai>i heard his doctorate was only honorary
00:34<Battousai>such a fraud
00:37<@irgeek>Judging from his artwork, I'd say he was writing himself a few prescriptions too.
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00:43<Peng>Bastards. :P
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00:47<amitz>no proxy is perfect. Some proxies are more perfect than the others.
00:48<amitz>freely interpreted from "Animal Farm".
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02:29<hammockhero>how can i tell which site on my VPS is taking up the most CPU and memory resources?
02:29<internat>is it htop?
02:30<chesty>are you talking php/apache? because i don't think you could measure it from the commandline
02:30<bob2>with difficulty if you're using apache + mod_php
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02:53<Smark>Question: Why is Freemont so desirable a datacenter? They always seem to be out of Linodes. I thought Dallas was the one of choice for US servers due to its central location.
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02:54<HedgeMage>I have no idea. I chose Dallas, but mostly because I know people who work at ThePlanet whom I can heckle if I ever feel the need.
02:56<nb_>Smark, because hurricane electric is great :)
02:56<nb_>i don't know really
02:56<nb_>Smark, partly because linode is not able to simply deploy as many servers as it wants, the datacenter is full
02:56<nb_>so they can't just create more capacity when it is needed
02:56<nb_>so new linodes do not become available that often
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03:01<Peng>Smark: Fremont is ideal for Asia/Pacific customers.
03:01<Peng>Smark: And what nb_ said: it's an older, low-density data center, so it doesn't have the capacity of the other data centers.
03:01<roy>Hi any bind expert here?
03:02<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
03:02<roy>how to redirect ndomains in bind?
03:03<bob2>what does redirect nxdomains mean?
03:03<bob2>or, what are you trying to achieve?
03:03<roy>redirect all nxdomains to another server like opendns
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03:04<Peng>You're doing this on your Linode?
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03:05<Peng>You run a DNS resolver on it? Eh, whatever.
03:05<roy>any idea?
03:05<Peng>No, but it's probably not hard.
03:06<Peng>roy: Just curious, *why*?
03:06<Peng>Don't have to answer if you don't want to..
03:06<roy>for internal network dns
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03:07<Peng>It's very easy to cause problems by doing that...
03:08<roy>no probs
03:08<Peng>yes probs
03:08<Peng>OpenDNS have the experience to try to work around them, e.g. returning NXDOMAIN for queries that look like DNSBLs.
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03:09<bitmand>Peng: You talk funny :)
03:09<Peng>Damn straight.
03:10<bitmand>Peng: dns is easy - why not fiddle with it if you want to? :)
03:10<amitz>bitmand: he feels concious due to Yaakov and pparadis watching him.
03:11<bitmand>roy: sorry, you are running bind as a recursive dns resolver? or?
03:12<roy>recursive dns resolver
03:12<amitz>Smark: fremont is ideal for asia pacific people except for ISP who strangely decides to route traffic to fremont via europe..
03:12<bitmand>roy: but you want to forward all queries to opendns?
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03:14<roy>just like Opendns i want ot redirect all nxdomains to another ip or 404 error to another ip
03:14<Peng>Wait, what? DNS is not on the same level as HTTP 404 errors. You'd need a proxy to do that.
03:14<Peng>And it's still evil.
03:14<bitmand>roy: ehm .. first of 404 is a http protocol error, nothing to dowith dns :)
03:14<Peng>amitz: They what? Why?
03:15<roy>Ok server not found
03:15<Peng>By "server not found" you mean NXDOMAIN?
03:15<bitmand>roy: but let me get this straight, your dns server is also autoritative for some domains? And you want it to be a recursive also?
03:15<amitz>Peng: nah, I just like to extend joke for hours/days ;-)
03:16<roy>any idea?
03:16<Peng>I'm sure there's a "BIND for Evil Overlords" somewhere.
03:16<Peng>I'd say "</unhelpful>", but that would imply I'm going to start being helpful...
03:17<bitmand>roy: Oh! You want to display a page with $something for those people using your resolver, but trying to visit pages for domains not found .. correct?
03:17<roy>yes bitmand
03:18<bitmand>roy: phew - I dont know, sorry :(
03:19<roy>no probs :)
03:20<bitmand>but keep in mind that it is considered bad behaviour :)
03:20<linbot>New news from forums: problems with sendmail in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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03:48<zack>hey guys
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03:49<zack>can someone please explain to me why my subdomains aren't up and running?
03:49<beefsalad>only if you ask a more vague question
03:50<bob2>a) what does "up and running" mean to you, b) what domains and what subdomains, c) what have you done so far
03:52<zack>awesome: i created /etc/apache2/sites-available/, and it works. this is the contents of the file: . i also created, (/etc/apache2/sites-available/ and it is here: . why isn't resolving? and what can i do to investigate?
03:53<bob2>did you add to the linode dns manager?
03:53<zack>ohh, no, i did not.
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03:54<bob2>(not resolving = dns issue not apache issue)
03:54<zack>okay, i added it.
03:54<zack>does my conf file look good?
03:54<bob2>now wait 15 minutes and other people can use it
03:54<bob2>you will have to wait up to a day
03:55<zack>bob2: shouldn't i at least be able to ping locally?
03:56<zack>bob2: when i created the dns, all i did was clone the record, and change "" to "". OK?
03:56<bob2>I don't know what that means
03:56<bob2>all you need to do is add an A record to the zone
03:56<zack>can i edit that directly on my bx?
03:57<zack>/on my box/
03:57<bob2>you edit it the same way you edit anything else to do with's zone file
03:57<bob2>so presumably no, use the linode web dns manager
03:57<zack>i was doing it through the dashboard
03:57<zack>ohh, so all i have to do is add an a record to the hhg zone file?
03:59<Peng>Yup. :D
04:00*zack waits 15 minutes
04:00<zack>does my virtualhost file look good?
04:00<bob2>you won't be able to ping (or resolve it) in 15 mintues
04:00<bob2>since your isp has cached "that name doesn't exist"
04:01<zack>not even while ssh'd into my linode box?
04:01<bob2>did you make linode's resolver's cache nxdomain?
04:01<bob2>ie did you try to ping it before 14 minutes from now
04:01<zack>ah, probably
04:02<bob2>protip: use 'dig' to make sure the thing exists before polluting your cache ;)
04:02<zack>but my vhost file looks good?
04:03<bob2>no idea
04:04<bob2>looks ok
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04:22<zack>bob2: i don't think it's working
04:23<bob2> exists on linode's servers now
04:23<zack>oh interesting
04:23<zack>so it's a problem with apache now
04:23<bob2>if you say so
04:24<bob2>what makes you think you have problems beyond the dns caches you confused?
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04:35<MonkeyIsland>Anyone can help me with thunderbird and dovecot?
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04:36<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
04:36<bitmand>linbot: you are the greatest§
04:39<zack>bob2: it's working
04:40<zack>bob2: i want to create an ssh account, so that user can access the folder that is in, but not have read access to anything else. any tips?
04:47<Peng>Mostly people don't do that with SSH.
04:47<Peng>I mean, who cares?
04:48<Peng>Plus, if they can't read, say, /bin and /lib, how the heck can they do anything?
04:48<dvdm>just give them FTP access so that they can drop the website files in
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04:50<Peng>At least use SFTP.
04:51<Peng>I think OpenSSH supports chrooting SFTP, at least in recent versions. Still probably not as easy as FTP, but...
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05:52<linbot>New news from forums: [SOLVED] problems with sendmail in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
05:54<tkoskine>Chrooting (SFTP) with OpenSSH is possible. Here is one tutorial
05:55<tkoskine>And here some more:
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06:03<Raid>have a problem with ssh
06:03<Raid>have a problem with ssh
06:04<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
06:04<Raid>sorry bug my firefox
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06:23<dug>Hey guys, I run my own DNS server using Bind, working great. I've set up Linode as my secondary DNS and it's working using AXFR, but Linode keeps wanting to be the primary, yet my server is actually the primary. It works, but is that a problem, and can I fix it?
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06:31<bob2>dug: in what way does "linode ..." etc?
06:31<dug>Bob2: I'm not sure I understand your question
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06:33<bob2>dug: in what way do you yhink linode keeps wanting to be the primary
06:33<bob2>SpaceHobo: thx
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06:35<dug>Bob2: In the DNS manager, under the SOA record, it says the array Primary DNS is, and on my server its
06:35<Yaakov>HELLO HOBO, SPACE.
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06:42<dug>Any ideas, Bob2?
06:44<bob2>I'm waiting for them to pull a zone so I can check
06:44<dug>Ah thanks =D
06:44<bob2>the soa is ok
06:45<bob2>so I guess the web interface lies
06:45<bob2>actually, fro a slave zone, I can't find a "primary dns" thing on the web thing anywhere
06:46<bob2>where (e.g. what URL) do you see that?
06:46<dug>It's made its own SOA when importing mine.
06:47<bob2>you did import
06:47<bob2>rather than slave
06:47<dug>Just click on the domain's name in DNS Manager, it says on the top table.
06:47<dug>Yeah, I have about 50 domains, I'm not keen on entering all their records again.
06:47<bob2>if you want linode to be secondaries, -> "add a new domain zone" -> type: slave
06:48<dug>Ohh! I didn't realise you could use that for AXFR
06:48<bob2>the "import a zone" option is for using linode as a primary, but starting with your current records
06:48<dug>Ohhh right, do I need to turn AXFR on in that screen or is that for other servers to AXFR from Linode?
06:50<bob2>in the "Create a new Slave Zone" screen or the "Edit zone" scren?
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06:51<dug>sorry, under "Create a new Slave Zone" it says "Domain Transfer: Disabled/Enabled"
06:54<dug>is that for incoming transfers or for transfers to other domains?
06:55<Peng>dug: That's for letting people AXFR the zone from Linode's servers.
06:56<dug>Ah, thanks Peng =D
06:56<dug>and thanks bob2! You sir, are a legend!
06:57<Yaakov>bob2 is more of an "unlikely scenario" than a legend.
06:58<dug>Either way, he's been a great help and I appreciate it muchly
06:59<Yaakov>Oh, bob2 is nothing if not greatly helpful.
07:06<dug>I probably should've asked ages ago, is there an easier way to add a load of domains as slave dns?
07:08<chesty>there's an api
07:11<dug>ahh, i'm nearly there now :D thanks tho Chesty =D
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07:25<dug>sorry guys, one more question; what ip does Linode use for AXFR? I can't seem to find a list, but I can see being denied :/
07:26<chesty>i thought
07:26<dug>oh :/ - uh, so what ips do i allow?
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07:26<chesty>that's one
07:28<dug>that's the one i had in there :/
07:28<dug>just those four and no others? cos im getting hundreds of other ips trying.
07:28<mwalling>thats 5
07:29<dug>sorry, 5. i'm just concerned because i had in there and its' been half hour without it generating it
07:29<mwalling>send a notify?
07:29<mwalling>once you list the other 4 NSes, bind should notify them, and they should pull it shortly
07:31<dug>ahh ok thanks
07:32<dug>thanks guys, really appreciate your help :D - i'll be back :D
07:32<mwalling>s/bind should notify them/bind should also notify them when you tell it to send notifys/
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09:23<randallman>mornin' yo
09:25<beefsalad>yoyoyo whashup
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09:34<randallman>Listenin to 'Asia - Wildest Dreams' :p
09:35<randallman>Wow there's a blast from the past
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09:41<IntuitiveNipple>Anyone about to advise me on yearly renewal plus migration to London?
09:42<Karrde>IntuitiveNipple: what's your question?
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09:42<IntuitiveNipple>too cold and wet for me Space :p
09:42<AlexC_>I've got a werid issue with DNS regarding mail, wondering if someone can point me in the right direction. Viewing the original email in Gmail, I see this: Received: from ( [])
09:42<IntuitiveNipple>Karrde - I need a staff member
09:43<Karrde>IntuitiveNipple: why?
09:43<AlexC_>why is going to, with the IP of, when clearly a 'dig a' shows (101 not 102)
09:43<IntuitiveNipple>round-robin DNS Alex ?
09:43<Karrde>AlexC_: two IPs, same box?
09:44<AlexC_>Karrde: yeah, same box - I have 101 and 102. 102 goes to
09:44<Karrde>AlexC_: is it causing problems?
09:44<AlexC_>yes, since the SPF record is setup for, not 102
09:45<IntuitiveNipple>Sounds like the MA is bound to .102 but its config is set to the hostname for .101
09:46<mwalling>IntuitiveNipple: ticket
09:46<mwalling>IntuitiveNipple: that will do both
09:47<IntuitiveNipple>mwalling: Yeah, I'm doing that now for the important bits, thanks
09:48<IntuitiveNipple>mwalling: migration incurs data transfer usage right?
09:48<linbot>Linodes can be migrated between datacenters by simply opening a ticket. Your disk images will be copied intact, but you will be issued a new IP address. Once a migration is configured, it makes a button on the dashboard available for you to start the migration yourself. Migration typically takes about 1-3 minutes per GB.
09:48<mwalling>(ignore the speed)
09:49<AlexC_>and you get a lovely 150ms to 14ms response time, at least that's what I get now here in UK
09:50<AlexC_>Karrde: any thoughts?
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09:50<IntuitiveNipple>Thanks mwalling - my biggest issue as I thought is reconfiguring the server for the new IP addresses
09:51<mwalling>grep $OLDIP /etc/*
09:51<mwalling>er, grep -R $OLDIP /etc/*
09:51<Karrde>AlexC_: check that your daemons are binding to the correct IP and think of themselves as the correct hostname
09:52<IntuitiveNipple>mwalling: Not so simple as that which is why I'm planning it first :)
09:52<AlexC_>Karrde: how can I check that?
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09:52<dug>hi guys, i'm setting up my Linode as a slave DNS, it seems to have been doing a transfer from the ips in my log file for bind, but nothing is in the Linode :/
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09:53<Karrde>AlexC_: open up your config files?
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09:53<AlexC_>right, and all is correct in there
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09:55<Karrde>what IP is your MTA bound to?
09:55<IntuitiveNipple>mwalling: Re IP address migration - presumably the Linode slave DNS zones will need manually updating with the new master from the Linode control panel?
09:56<mwalling>IntuitiveNipple: i'd assume you'd need to manually do that
09:56<IntuitiveNipple>right, thought so ... trying to forsee the issues before I start :)
09:57<IntuitiveNipple>what's the IP range for London? I want to check the karma in the spam lists
09:58<AlexC_>Karrde: nm, another test email shows it working now - strange
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09:58<IntuitiveNipple>OK, I found it "LINODE-UK" -
09:58<Karrde>I fixed it
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10:12<dug>hi guys, i'm setting up my Linode as a slave DNS, it seems to have been doing a transfer from the ips in my log file for bind, but nothing is in the Linode :/
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10:14<bob2>dug: look ok in the web thing? how long have you waited?
10:15<bob2>I noticed a new domain I added last night took a few hours to show up
10:16<dug>Hi again Bob! It's been about 2 hours I'd guess, I'm definitely seeing the transfers and notifies appear in my logs
10:16<dug>in fact, it's just starting going insane...
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10:17<dug>i think they were just queries, there's definitely xfers going on - but there's nothing in the webthing.
10:18<dug>it is just allow-query and allow-transfer with the ns1-5 ip addresses stuck in the named.conf to allow linode to act as a slave, right?
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10:20<leaf_>you dont need allowqeruy
10:20<leaf_>put it in the Options clause
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10:21<dug>Have done, thanks leaf_
10:21<IntuitiveNipple>I have an acl "slaves" with the DNS servers in and for each zone notify yes; allow-transfer { slaves;};
10:21<leaf_>dug you did just now or earlier?
10:21<dug>leaf_: I had allowquery in there too, just removed it
10:22<leaf_>you might also want to add
10:22<leaf_>recursion no;
10:22<leaf_>in your Options
10:22<leaf_>it hasnt to do with transfers but its securer
10:24<dug>oops... =D
10:25<dug>named.conf: recursion redefined near recursion
10:25<dug>it was already off :)
10:25<leaf_>oh ok
10:26<dug>sorry, i just found that an amusing error.
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10:27<dug>i'll just give it a few more hours then i guess?
10:28<Skorobeus>howdy folks. Stupid question time. Setup a new linode (Ubu 9.10) and created 3 filesystems, root swap and one I want to keep separate. The root and swap fs are mounted just fine, install is fine, but I can't figure out where the 3rd fs is
10:28<leaf_>dug if you want you can paste your config and we can see to make sure its correct
10:28<Skorobeus>I tried mounting /dev/xvdc following the pattern of the root and swap filesystems, but that's not available, and gparted shows nothing but xvda and xvdb
10:28<Skorobeus>so where the heck is it? :)
10:29<dug>leaf_: you're really very kind! -
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10:29<dug>dammit... i'll just change that db password *embarrassed*
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10:30<leaf_>dug looks to be ok
10:31<dug>thanks leaf_! it seems to be working ok aside from the Linode not grabbing it - the notify/axfr stuff works great!
10:31<dug>maybe its just a matter of time
10:31<leaf_>yeah if it fails later talk to linode staff i dunno
10:31<dug>thanks leaf, i really appreciate your time!
10:33<dug>i'll give it a bit more time and if not i'll send them a support ticket or something. thanks again!
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10:35<Skorobeus>hrmm, nobody?
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10:37<amitz_>Skorobeus: if i guess correctly, you must declare the xvdc in your boot profile in linode dasboard
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10:39<amitz_>oh nooo
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10:39<IntuitiveNipple>amitz_: Skorobeus That's correct, in the "Linode Configuration Profile" > "Drive Setup" section
10:39<Skorobeus>d'oh. forgot all about that panel in the dashboard. Thanks amitz_!
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10:41<erikh>oh joy
10:41<IntuitiveNipple>'tis the season :p
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10:41*jed loads his rifle
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10:45<amitz>the translations are interesting, let me give you some examples.
10:45<amitz>of nicks
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10:58<IntuitiveNipple>Is there a migration guide that illustrates best-practice in terms of timeline for changing IPs for domain's registration authoritative DNS, zone files, etc ? My head's spinning trying to figure out least disruptive procedure
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10:58<pprok>may i ask something? if i order a vps in uk, then should i be able to create ssh tunnels (ssh -D) ?
10:58<grawity>pprok: Of course
10:59<pprok>so i'll be able to listen to bbc radio, right ?
10:59<grawity>*shrug* Last time we tried BBC's iPlayer thingy, it didn't work.
10:59<bitmand>haha :)
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11:00<pprok>grawity: ok, man, thanks a lot!!! i feel i'll join your client list soon :-)
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11:03<@mikegrb>heh was about to do that
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11:08<weechat_user>Hey, what locations do you guys have and can we define what locations that our nodes run out of?
11:08-!-weechat_user is now known as sontek
11:08<sontek>haven't setup my weechat config on this box yet
11:08<@mikegrb>London, NJ, GA, TX, CA
11:08<@mikegrb>and yes
11:09<sontek>ok, and so with the plans, the little boxes are the VPC's we get? So a linode 1080 would be 3?
11:09<sontek>or is that just CPU's?
11:09<@mikegrb>they all get 4 cpus
11:10<jcr>I have read that Nginx is good at serving static content; is a php script considered static content? thanks
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11:10<sontek>so how do you tell how many nodes you get for load balancing/redundancy?
11:10<@mikegrb>each plan is one linode
11:10<sontek>and when you upgrade to a higher plan, is there downtime or does it just upgrade automatically?
11:11<sontek>mikegrb: So it'd be better to get 2 Linode 360's instead of 1 720 since we'd then have 2 boxes for redundancy?
11:11<@mikegrb>depends on the specifics of what you are doing
11:12<sontek>The software itself isn't really that resource intensive, its currently hosted on a single box, we are more worried about downtime
11:12<sontek>and is the upgrade process pretty seamless? so if we start on 2 360's, can we easily upgrade them to 720's when needed?
11:13<@mikegrb>there would be a short amount of downtime while the nodes moved to a 720 host
11:13<@mikegrb>generally about 10 minutes
11:14<sontek>but we could upgrade one at a time and they could load balance between each other
11:14<sontek>so shutdown 1 360, upgrade it, get everything pointing to the new node, then shutdown the old 360
11:14<sontek>and then no downtime
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11:17<TheFirst>shouldn't be much to repoint...if you stay in the same datacenter your ips would stay the same
11:17<TheFirst>unless that's changed?
11:17<sontek>That would be even better :)
11:21*TheFirst has only gone the route of migrating from one DC to another and it was painless
11:21<IntuitiveNipple>I'm feeling the pain of migration to London and I've not even started yet :op
11:22<TheFirst>so long as you know where you need to specify the new IP's it's not bad at all
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11:22<Daevien>man, it's going to be one of those really shitty days.. some dude puked all over his brand new laptop so now i have to look at it to see what needs to be replaced. fuck, i need a new job away from the public and stupid shit like this on a day to day basis. or at least get extra pay or when i have to deal with disgusting things
11:23-!-mode/#linode [-R] by tjfontaine
11:23<IntuitiveNipple>The main issue is planning the DNS updates for all the domain registrations to avoid stale caches
11:24<TheFirst>Daevien: um, that's easy...the answer is: "He needs a new laptop" ... if the underside is clean make the offer to swap HD's
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11:24<mwalling>Daevien: uh, that laptop is a biohazard
11:24<Daevien>they apparently alreay tested it and only the sound doesn't work. though on a laptop, that still means motherboard change. bleh.
11:25<mwalling>and i doubt you're wearing proper PPE :)
11:25<TheFirst>IntuitiveNipple: if it's a big issue, clone the node, put both ips in the dns, shutdown old, remove old ip from dns
11:25<Daevien>dusting out computers shoudl as well, did two yesterday that i felt ill after cleaning out. liek i said, i need a new job :p
11:25<mwalling>stop working at a ipicat syrup factory
11:26<Daevien>not on a daily basis with that exact situation, but pretty much every day someone spills somethign in a machine or i have to rip apart a computer that's 90% on it's way to having it's own ecosystem
11:26*mwalling points to the OSHA posters you probably dont have up
11:26<IntuitiveNipple>TheFirst, it isn't the server it's the domain registry updates - all got to be done manually and every domain has its own authoritative NS - I can add the new IPs to the current zone files so they propagate before the migration starts
11:27<Daevien>it's seriously crazy what people do to their computers
11:27<Daevien>i'm canadian mwalling :p
11:27<mwalling>canadians have an osha
11:27<mwalling>its jsut called something else
11:28*TheFirst doesn't even want to look
11:28<amitz>osha for system admin..
11:28<mwalling>Daevien: CCOHS
11:28<Pryon>Hmm. They're not all that bad, actually. I was thinking of a different link with more bugs and dead mice
11:28<Daevien>yeah, equiv thing. i'm just getting tired of the stupid shit day to day, just hard finding a job around here (fairly small area and keeps getting smaller by the day, lost air service a couple weeks back, ferry service last week).. an dhard ot move on shit pay from here to somewhere else
11:29<Daevien>yeah, that page from pryon is pretty much what i see every day :p
11:29<Daevien>and yeah, thats still fairly tame
11:29<Daevien>the stand out cases are usually much worse
11:30<amitz>that link, meh. Wait a couple of months :-p
11:31<amitz>hmm... make it a year after second thought.
11:31<Daevien>my "fav" computers are the ones belonging to smokers. you can pull out the black tar/dust/whatever balls out in clumps
11:33<amitz>interesting about the dirtiness becomes balls.
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11:49<Pryon>Daevien: do you use canned air, an air compuressor, or a big vat of isofluorine?
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11:50<Pryon>Hmm. I'm thinking of a different chemical
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11:53<amitz>Pryon: what's an air compressor? Basically a huge blower?
11:53<amitz>huge powerful blower?
11:53<erikh>sort of, but an air compressor doesn't have a pimp
11:53<Pryon>but it does have a pump
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11:54<Pryon>amitz: it's basically a reservoir for holding compressed air and a pump with a 1-way valve used to pressuri[zs]e the reservoir
11:54<amitz>sorry for my ignorance but what do you mean by pump?
11:55<Pryon>pump: a machine for moving a fluid from one place to another
11:55<setient>i have a few questions about linode
11:55<amitz>setient: ask away
11:55<TheFirst>amitz: think propane tank...but instead of propane it's air
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11:56<Pryon>amitz: a pump is a thing you use to get water from a well if you're not using a bucket or some kind of archimedean screw
11:56<setient>sweet. are ips movable between datacenters?
11:56<Pryon>setient: nope
11:56<setient>like do you guys use anycast
11:56<bd_>setient: BGP doesn't allow announcements of single IPs :)
11:56<amitz>TheFirst: isn't that canned air instead?
11:56<setient>very true
11:56<setient>but you could just multicast everything
11:56<setient>i have no idea
11:57<TheFirst>amitz: the pump refills the tank...canned air isn't refillable
11:57<setient>and use a private network for backhaul if neccessary
11:57<Pryon>amitz: Technically, yes. But "canned air" implies a retail product with a small reservoir that's not refillable
11:57<bd_>setient: Linode does not have a private network between their datacenters, though :)
11:57<TheFirst>amitz: and air compressors are much higher pressure
11:57<setient>that is also informative
11:58<amitz>ah, I get it. They pressurized and release the pressure instead of just plain fan-based to blow the air.
11:58<TheFirst>amitz: ever seen how an impact wrench works? those are often powered by air compressors...
11:59<amitz>ah, I see.
12:02<amitz>I'm not sure what I have. But it seems strong enough that I have to exert force to hold it steady, the air blower.
12:03<amitz>and the diameter of output is large enough (perhaps 2 inches)
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12:08<Pryon>!newercalc 14kg per square cm in psi
12:08<linbot>Pryon: 199.1 psi (pounds-force per square inch)
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12:25<SomKen>Can someone help me with setting up fail2ban with vsftpd on centos?
12:27<Karrde> looks like it's popular enough
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12:29<SomKen>I tried setting it up from the steps but it doesn't work.
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12:53<Daevien>Pryon: compressor is what i have here. and it turns out i know the guy that owns the laptop *sigh* known him for like 15 years. so i gues si have to deal with it
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12:54<amitz>anybody use rails.vim? recommended? against?
12:55<webuser>Hi all, can i upgrade/downgrade at any time?
12:56<JshWright>webuser: yep
12:57<webuser>does the linode dns manager mean that i do not have to run bind?
12:57<JshWright>amitz: I thought Rails developers all used TextMate on their macs?
12:58<@caker>webuser: correct
12:58<webuser>caker: neat. i'll be moving from a dedi in the uk
12:59<webuser>all those little but necessary things take a big load
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12:59<@caker>(insert urmom joke here)
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13:00<@caker>webuser: ignore me :)
13:00<webuser>ok :o
13:00<webuser>caker: the username should be lowercase right?
13:01<@caker>webuser: doesn't matter ..
13:01<@caker>it ignores case for usernames
13:01<linbot>tarpman: Yo momma's so weird, she walked past a furry convention and they eyed HER suspiciously! (749:7/0) [mroum]
13:01<webuser>caker: as if all are lowercase?
13:01<@caker>webuser: yes
13:01<webuser>caker: ok!
13:02<@caker>it will lower case the input :)
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13:02<webuser>caker: are the promotions atm?
13:02<@caker>webuser: none. Just prepayment discounts
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13:03<nb_>webuser, linode does not generally give promotions, they give upgrades to all the customers, new and old, at the same time
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13:03*jimcooncat thinks we don't need no stinking promotions
13:03<nb_>last time i think they upgraded disk space by 33%
13:03<nb_>jimcooncat, agreed :)
13:04<Victor123>can you guys help me with something linode-related?
13:04<Itsuki>yeah sure..
13:04<Itsuki>*actually it depends on what it is :P*
13:04<Victor123>suppose I didn't get the chance to pay the bill
13:04<Victor123>the linodes got suspended
13:04<Victor123>and then ... deleted I suppose
13:05<Victor123>can I do anything to get them back?
13:05<Victor123>I mean, is there any backup?
13:05<Itsuki>after 30 days of non-payment the images will be deleted.
13:05<Victor123>the event is 2-3 days old ...
13:05<Itsuki>after 10 days, it's suspended
13:05<amitz>JshWright: yeah I saw some people praising TextMate. But I don't have mac so...
13:05<Itsuki>*i believe that's what the Linode rep told me*
13:05<Victor123>I login to my account
13:06<Victor123>it only says: Add a linode to this Account
13:06<Itsuki>Well, you would need to tell Linode that you couldn't pay first.
13:06<Itsuki>then they give you 10 days.
13:06<Itsuki>up to 30 days extension.
13:06<Itsuki>i believe.
13:06<Victor123>so at this moment is there any way to get them back?
13:06<Itsuki>Ask Linode.
13:07<Victor123>this channel looks like linode :D
13:07<Victor123>any @ around?
13:07<Itsuki>They normally wait about 10 days etc. before sanitizing the images and deleting them entirely.
13:07<Itsuki>*30 days
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13:07<Itsuki>I'd say post a support ticket from your account, it's much quicker than asking here sometimes.
13:08<Itsuki>Or ring them up.
13:08<Victor123>I guess that could work
13:08<Victor123>only I live in Eastern Europe
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13:09<Itsuki>with Credit of course :P
13:09<Itsuki>that's what i did, since i'm in Australia.
13:09<IntuitiveNipple>Open a support ticket maybe?
13:09<Itsuki>^ what he/she said.
13:09<IntuitiveNipple>yup, I was agreeing
13:10<Itsuki>It all comes down to "You should have made your own backups".
13:10<Itsuki>Unless you're signed up to the Beta Backup Program, Linode doesn't really have a responsibility to backup your Data.
13:10<Itsuki>Although, i may be wrong.
13:11<nb_>well, fwiw even with the beta backup program they have no responsibility to
13:11<nb_>as they have stated all the data may be lost
13:11<Itsuki>yeah, that's true as well.
13:11<Victor123>I have backups but I'm too lazy to change the dns, reinstall all websites, bla bla
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13:11<JshWright>amitz: I don't think you're allowed to use Ruby/Rails if you don't own a mac... you're not hip enough
13:11<Itsuki>Well why are you running a Linode then?
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13:12<nb_>caker was just around recently i think, although I don't know if he still is
13:12<IntuitiveNipple>caker: reverse DNS: I've lost access to the current settings since a migration has been configured (but not yet run) - how do the old r-DNS entries get deleted?
13:12<Victor123>you don't think lazy people should be allowed to have linodes?
13:12<Itsuki>I didn't say that at all, i'm saying It's your own fault if you don't make backups, not Linodes.
13:13<Victor123>I never said it was their fault
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13:13<Itsuki>nvm then >_>
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13:13<Victor123>I was just hoping there is a way to get it back
13:13<oru_work>whats a good way to log irc ?
13:13<Itsuki>Denora >_>
13:13<Itsuki>or NeoStats
13:13<Itsuki>Are you looking to track Statistics?
13:14<Itsuki>or just user connections etc?
13:14<nb_>oru_work, i run ZNC and just have the log module set up
13:14<Itsuki>Unreal? Inspircd? Dancer? etc?
13:14<oru_work>I want to log in a similar way #linode does it
13:15<Itsuki>How do you mean?
13:15<IntuitiveNipple>I found LogBot was easy and provides good output
13:15<Itsuki>We run Inspircd with Denora and Anope Services and that logs connections/etc. to a specific channel, or is that not what you are looking for?
13:15<Itsuki>*I run
13:16<oru_work>I want to log all of the irc channel activity to a website
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13:16<Itsuki>then Denora is your answer.
13:16<oru_work>something like this
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13:16<Itsuki>Excessive Disk IO ftw?
13:17<tmn>is some of the London servers having problems?
13:17<Itsuki>Well it doesn't log the actual chats, but it logs what users are on, how many lines they wrote etc. (
13:17<@jed>tmn: we're investigating now, it's network related
13:17<@jed>we'll have news shortly
13:18<Itsuki>The London Bridge is Falling Down... lol
13:18<tmn>ah, ok :)
13:18<@jed>tmn: we've narrowed it down to three hosts, which host are you on?
13:19<tmn>jed: london22
13:19<@jed>tmn: that's one of them, we'll have news for you soon
13:19<tmn>Ah, ok, thanks :)
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13:22<Itsuki>Heh, is there anyway to show how many Inodes you are using?
13:22<erikh>in total?
13:22<erikh>you can probably sum them with du
13:22<@mikegrb>df -i
13:22<erikh>makes sense
13:23<Itsuki>i've only used 1% of the inodes.. cool.
13:24<erikh>you'll know if you run out
13:24<erikh>just like disk space
13:24<erikh>the hard way
13:24<Itsuki>i doubt i'd run out of 15605760 Inodes >_>
13:24<Itsuki>15 Million Inodes >_>
13:24<oru_work>i just checked out Denora's website it is actually for logging own irc server, and i want to log a channel on a public network
13:25<Itsuki>I'd say that's against their TOS.
13:25<Itsuki>you'd either cause excessive load on your server tracking and writing all the logs, or the IRC server itself >_>
13:26<erikh>#linode is logged
13:26<erikh>lots of channels are
13:26<Itsuki>heh, depends how often the logs are written :P
13:26<erikh>every channel i'm in is logged
13:26<Itsuki>every hour is sufficient for most people, any lower than that and you'd be in crazy town :P
13:26<erikh>up to the second
13:27<erikh> 13:25:09 up 54 days, 3:11, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
13:27<oru_work>I just want to log my own channel
13:27<oru_work>very small channel
13:27<oru_work>and I have no clue how to do this
13:27<grawity>screen + irssi + /log open
13:27<erikh>oru_work: you can find numerous bots that can do it
13:27<erikh>or you can use your client
13:28<erikh>or you can use a proxy, etc, etc,
13:28<IntuitiveNipple>oru_work: Try LogBot - I've found it very easy and useful
13:28<Itsuki>lol proxies on Linodes are awesome, Hulu ftw!
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13:29<Itsuki>Heh is it abnormal for Lighttpd + FastCGI to consume up to 11% of memory?
13:29<Itsuki>on idle?
13:30<erikh>oh, memory
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13:30<erikh>fastcgi's memory usage is very dependent on the app(s) it hosts
13:30<Itsuki>just simple Wordpress sites as well as a random vBulletin forum. That's about it.
13:31<Itsuki>and no one was using them at the time... either..
13:31<erikh>memory usage generally goes up during traffic, but only because the app gets cloned
13:31<erikh>in a preforking scenario
13:32<erikh>but that memory still has to be in use for the app to respond in a reasonable amount of time. dig?
13:32<erikh>how much is 11%?
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13:32<erikh>how many backends are running?
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13:32<erikh>oh, you're actually doing quite well
13:33<erikh>i've had mod_perl apps that use that per apache child :)
13:33<erikh>well, 120M/child
13:33<Itsuki>Heh, if only there was a way to make Apache more memory efficient, cause then i'd switch back.
13:33<amitz>JshWright: hippies!
13:33<erikh>i'll put a sizable amount of money on lighty or apache having very little to do with it
13:34<erikh>the vast majority of your usage is in wordpress
13:34<erikh>and/or vbulletin
13:34<Itsuki>Even though they aren't persistent connections >_>
13:35<IntuitiveNipple>With FastCGI isn't the app process kept alive ?
13:35<erikh>IntuitiveNipple: yep
13:35<Itsuki>anyway to stop that?
13:35<erikh>don't use fastcgi
13:35<IntuitiveNipple>That's the point of FastCGI!
13:35<erikh>but you're asking for it
13:35<IntuitiveNipple>"Fast" means it is in memory waiting and doesn't have to be started each time a request comes in
13:35<erikh>interpreter startup and app init is the most expensive part of most web apps
13:36<erikh>and that will happen for every connection in a non-fcgi scenario
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13:37<Itsuki>Also i'm looking for an all round mIRC script that combines, Google Search, Weather, Games and other things in a script, i so far haven't found any :/
13:37<erikh>Itsuki: if it's low traffic, reduce the number of waiting children to 2 or so
13:37<erikh>that should cut your mem usage by roughly half
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13:37<Itsuki>I'm just worried about how many people will be able to connect if i do that.
13:38<erikh>this is how it works
13:38<erikh>basically, when both of those connections are in use, fastcgi can be configured to start more backends
13:38<Itsuki>We don't get anymore than 50 visitors at one time anyway.
13:38<erikh>and when the traffic dies off, stop them
13:38<erikh>so, if you're willing to trade a little response time while those extra servers start up to handle the extra traffic..
13:39<erikh>you'll save a little memory when the site is dead. dig?
13:39<Itsuki>So will 2 children be enough to support up to 50 users at one time?
13:39<Itsuki>without negative impact?
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13:39<Gastropedia>G'day all.
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13:40<Itsuki>so how many users can each child support roughly?
13:40<erikh>what i'm saying is, when 50 users hit your site at the same time, it'll start what it needs to
13:40<erikh>at a time
13:40<Itsuki>Oh >_>
13:40<erikh>just remind yourself that it's a lot faster than you might suspect
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13:40<erikh>and lighty is dealing with the user until they care about your php applications
13:40<Itsuki>so if i have 50 users that will spawn 50 children?
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13:41<erikh>50 users simultaneously
13:41<amitz>unfortunate choice of word..
13:41<erikh>like, they all hit reload at the exact same time
13:41<Itsuki>I'll see what reducing my children to 2 *Sounds weird* does.
13:41<Itsuki>I shall kill of 3 of my children :P
13:42<erikh>i'm just saying, that plenty of well-trafficked sites use 10-20 children with no performance issues
13:42<erikh>they're not amazon
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13:42<erikh>and it sounds like you're not planning on ever getting that big
13:43<Itsuki>not at this time no.
13:43<Itsuki>there doesn't seem to be a line specifying children...
13:43<erikh>I'd set it to 2 and wait until there's a problem.
13:43<amitz>I'm pretty sure that the log of last 5 minutes will be marked by "automatic pedophiles detector" :-p
13:43<erikh>lighty's fastcgi impl is internal, right?
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13:43<erikh>I don't know lighty at all
13:43<amitz>2 children supporting 50 users..
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13:44<Itsuki>i installed lighttpd and then lighttpd-fastcgi
13:44<erikh>amitz: 2 children scaling to 50 users
13:44<erikh>big difference.
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13:44<Guest16>what’s the current status for
13:44<erikh>and that sounds like a worst-case scenario
13:44<amitz>01:39 < Itsuki> So will 2 children be enough to support up to 50 users at one time?
13:45<erikh>i answered that :)
13:45<straterra>Only if they're whores
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13:45<erikh>sorry, i'm too mired in the technical to catch the humor :P
13:45<amitz>then talk about trafficking, children, performance issues :-p
13:45<Itsuki>"PHP_FCGI_CHILDREN" => "2"; right?
13:46<amitz>no worry, that means you're not as dirty as I am :-)
13:46<erikh>Itsuki: you're gonna have to read the docs
13:46<erikh>I'm sorry, I can't help you with the lighty specifics.
13:46<amitz>and children spawning children.
13:46<erikh>someone wrote a joke 'woman' manpage eons ago
13:46<erikh>I wish I could find it again.
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13:48<Itsuki>Heh ps aux | grep lighttpd still returns six php-fastcgi processes >_>
13:48<Itsuki>oh well :P
13:48<erikh>did you bounce it?
13:48<Itsuki>yeah i stopped then started it.
13:49<erikh>well, i'm sure you'll figure it out... you know what you're looking for
13:49<Itsuki>I think "max-procs" is the problem.
13:49<amitz>erikh: I think I know what you mean, I'm searching it to. The woman manpage.
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13:52<Itsuki>max_procs did it, there's only four processes now, good.
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13:52<Itsuki>that shrunk my systems total usage to 120MB...
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14:05<webuser>hi there. if i pay for 12 months and cancel during that period, is the other months refunded or not
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14:08<@pparadis>webuser: you would receive a refund minus the 10% discount.
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14:08<erikh>did you abescon guys get the snow we got in philly?
14:08<IntuitiveNipple>Eeek! Who just rebooted my linode?
14:08<IntuitiveNipple>dallas70 ?
14:09<Battousai>probably mikegrb and his rogue perl scripts
14:09<IntuitiveNipple>hmm, a shutdown job just ran ?
14:09<IntuitiveNipple>not me caker I was on an ssh session messing with some text files
14:10<IntuitiveNipple>Damn! was preparing it for migration later so got mixtures of IP addresses, that's gonna be painful to sort out cos it needs restarting at its existing location before
14:10<erikh>use it
14:10<Battousai>learn it, live it, love it
14:11<erikh>live it, love it... it's just a screen process
14:11<IntuitiveNipple>I want to know why/who set off job 1659916, system shutdown
14:12<@caker>IntuitiveNipple: check PM
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14:15<Battousai>caker: i've noticed that my last three automated backups have failed. are there known issues in the beta at the moment? (not a complaint, just a mention. i back stuff up through other means as well)
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14:16<Oli``>I don't suppose there are any plans to offer a low-HD Linode tariff to make it cheaper for people to maintain clusters? I'm specifically talking about say having two sitting there as redundant reverse proxies and MySQL managers in front of two+ linodes that do all the real work
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14:19<Oli``>I'd imagine specs like: 150megs of ram, 2GB HD and no included transfer (it's pooled anyway so for this task, you wouldn't need any extra)
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14:21<laser`>I think it's been discussed before on the forums and they basically said "no", it wasn't economic to have a Linode less than 360
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14:22<Oli``>That's a shame
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14:35<jollybee>may I please ask how I can ask for help in here?
14:35<nb_>jollybee, just ask your question and someone will help you if they can
14:36<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
14:36<jollybee>ok... I did something to my linode... now all the zoneinfo files are all UTC
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14:36<nb_>hrmm not sure
14:36<jollybee>I cannot revert it back using this command ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Asia/Manila /etc/localtime
14:36<tarpman>jollybee: which distro?
14:36<jollybee>sorry for the stupidity.... first time to use linux
14:36<grawity>jollybee: do you have $TZ set? 'echo $TZ'
14:37<jollybee>oh let me try...
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14:37<tarpman>jollybee: try running 'setup' and choosing the 'Timezone configuration' option
14:37<jollybee>grawity: just a blank line sir...
14:38<jollybee>ok... thanks for that.. will try it now...
14:38<jollybee>I got this message... -bash: setup: command not found
14:39<tarpman>bleh, I don't know redhat/centos :(
14:39<jollybee>hehehe.. that's ok...
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14:39<tarpman>jollybee: the ln command you mentioned above -- it might not work if /etc/localtime already exists. perhaps try 'rm /etc/localtime' first...
14:39<tarpman>jollybee: and then the ln again
14:39<tarpman>oh, actually ignore me. you did have an f in there
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14:40<jollybee>tarpman: I did that sir...
14:40<adj>actually, its system-config-date now
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14:40<tarpman>system-config-date sounds right
14:40<jollybee>I opened all the zone files and each one of them contain the same data... they all contain this TZif2
14:40<tarpman>at least it's the redhat style... :^)
14:41<adj>tarpman: yeah, but it might need to be installed
14:41<jollybee>sirs I got this... -bash: system-config-date: command not found
14:41<adj>jollybee: so install it
14:41<jollybee>it should be yum install system-config-date .... rigt?
14:41<Itsuki>yum groupinstall 'System Tools'
14:42<adj>jollybee: yes
14:42<jollybee>thatnks sir..
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14:42<adj>you can certainly set things with $TZ and symlinks and all that to. it is, in fact, the linux way. but redhat uses sysconfig, so its best to use their tools whether is the "pure" way or not
14:43<jollybee>adj: thanks for the advice... I just want this done ASAP... the system is running a timekeeping system... just imagine all the wrong time in/out
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14:44<adj>jollybee: hopefully your timekeeping system is using epoch, not a locale sensitive time format
14:44<jollybee>it's using timetrex?
14:45<adj>i have no idea what that it ;)
14:46<erikh>I feel for you
14:46<erikh>we had that abomination at the last place I worked
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14:47<jollybee>I still got -bash: system-config-date: command not found
14:47<adj>jollybee: did it install?
14:47<adj>from base?
14:47<jollybee>yes... all 98 of them
14:48<adj>jollybee: are you root?
14:48<jollybee>yes sir... I am root
14:48<adj>ls -l /usr/bin/system-config-date
14:48<jollybee>adj: but my brain is 0.0001% that of a root... ::
14:49<jollybee>adj: no such file or directory
14:49<adj>i dont think it installed then
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14:49<adj>yum install system-config-date
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14:50<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so charitable she donates her facial hair to charity! (831:6/0) [ourmm]
14:51<jollybee>I got into the system-config-date
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14:52<jollybee>adj: selected the correct timezone.... but the time is still the same.... I think my timezone files are screwed
14:52<tarpman>reinstall the package with the timezone files in it, maybe
14:52<tarpman>just in case
14:52<jollybee>thanks tarpman....
14:52<jollybee>that is actually my last resort...
14:53<jollybee>is there a way to get the timezone files instead?
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14:53<adj>jollybee: tbh, it would suprise me if your timekeeping software requires the servers timezone to be set
14:53<adj>jollybee: yes, yum
14:53<bd_>jollybee: aptitude reinstall tzdaa
14:53<jollybee>really sorry guys for all the trouble...
14:53<tarpman>bd_: centos
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14:53<bd_>oh, dunno then
14:54<bd_>system-config-* sounded ubuntuy >.>
14:54<adj>yum reinstall tzdata
14:54<jollybee>thanks adj
14:54<tarpman>no, system-config-* is completely redhat
14:54<tarpman>some other distros use the redhat tools here and there though
14:55<adj>love it or hate it, sysconfig is something you have to use as a rhel admin
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14:55<jollybee>it's now back to 3:55am Manila time!!!!
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14:56<jollybee>hey adj, how can I ever repay you for all the help!!!!
14:56<adj>paypal works :P
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14:56<jollybee>ok... please send me and email... I'll send a small token.... seriously...
14:57<jollybee>oh I'll send you an email asking for your paypall account....
14:57<adj>jollybee: no need. just share something with someone else in here. i'm technically at work, so that would be double dipping
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14:57<jollybee>email will come from
14:57<jollybee>thanks again adj... I will certainly do what you advised when I am adept on this linux stuff...
14:58<jollybee>seriously appreciate all the help... thanks again...
14:58<jollybee>thanks again guys... 4am here... going to sleep... :)
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15:18<amin>hello, I had a few questions about Linode service.
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15:19<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
15:19<amin>sorry :) Some background: I'm interested in Linode 360. Question: can I get extra IPs? at what price?
15:20<TheFirst>max 2 unless you have legitimate reasons for more
15:21<amin>thanks and thanks. question 2. If I hit the 200GB transfer limit, what are my options: will I automatically be billed for the extra bandwidth or is there some way I can say "just shut down my account for the rest of the month"?
15:21<adj>you will be billed
15:22<adj>but you are billed at the same rate as normal bandwidth, and you will get an alert in your email
15:22<amin>okay. what's the normal rate?
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15:23<amin>$/gb I mean?
15:24<amin>ah, great, thanks for the link and amounts.
15:24<amin>last question: can I pay for 1-2 years upfront, or is monthly billing my only option?
15:24<adj>you can pay upfront
15:24<@jed>you get a discount for annual and biennial prepayments
15:25<oru_work>I downloaded logbot from, installed java with sudo aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk, and here is what i'm getting when trying to run the program
15:25<mwalling>arent all of these on the faq?
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15:25<amin>wonderful! you guys blow slicehost out of the water. I'm going to do the signup now...
15:25<amin>eh, let me check.
15:27<mwalling>linode is so awesome, they know what youre going to ask before you ask
15:27<TheFirst>get out of my head!!!!!
15:27<TheFirst>where's my tin foil hat?!
15:27*jed nom nom nom brains
15:28<TheFirst>jed: no brains for you until there's pics of you in costume!
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16:04<linbot>SNy: Yo mamma's so ugly, straterra had to chloroform HIMSELF! (797:6/0) [mmuro]
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16:07<jimmy>I deleted a bunch of stuff from my linode earlier yet the graph still shows that the space is allocated. does that graph update at certain intervals? this is the graph that I'm referring to:
16:08<@jed>jimmy: that count reflects the amount of space in your account that you've committed to images, not the free space within said images
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16:08<jimmy>jed: ah. thanks for clarification
16:08<@jed>you bet :)
16:08<mwalling>its like looking at the chart of partitions on a hard drive in the ubuntu installer
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16:19<zedoo>hey, does linode offer a backup service? i need nightly database/disk backups
16:20<mwalling>!f do you offer backups
16:20<linbot>mwalling: We don't offer backups yet, but we're working on it. So, for now backups are your responsibility. You are protected against a hard drive failure on the host, as we utilize hardware RAID mirroring across two drives. However, this is not a substitute for proper backups. If you have enough unallocated disk space on your account you can duplicate your disk images in the Linode Manager. It's also simple to (1 more message)
16:20<JoeK>moar cowbell
16:20<linbot>mwalling: clone images between multiple Linodes using the Linode Manager.
16:20<azaghal>zedoo: There's a nice howto on how to setup backups for Linodes on the wiki.
16:21<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
16:21<mwalling>and the library
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16:21<mwalling>and the library is probably a little bit more current
16:21<mwalling>caker: thats a nice setup you got there
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16:22<zedoo>gee I'm tempted to get a linode
16:22<mwalling>only tempted?
16:22<azaghal>zedoo: I've had one for more than a year now (~1.5), and I've been very happy.
16:22<azaghal>I'm using it as personal mail server, XMPP
16:23<azaghal>Web server as well.
16:23<azaghal>Cheapest package, working pretty well.
16:23<zedoo>i'd opt for the cheapest one, but somehow worried about 'only' 360MB ram..
16:23<azaghal>And now with nodes in Europe as well... :)
16:23<azaghal>What do you want to run?
16:23<zedoo>apache2, mod_perl
16:23<zedoo>small applications
16:24<azaghal>I have MySQL, Postfix, apache2 + mod_php for Drupal and Gallery2 installation, ejabberd for XMPP.
16:24<mwalling>do you want to run apache's httpd, or just because you know the name?
16:24<azaghal>And I'm using the TLS/SSL where possible.
16:24*mwalling points out alternative httpds like lighty, nginx, etc
16:24<azaghal>Wow, I'm actually using 185MB of swap for this :/
16:25<azaghal>clamd is a pig -.-
16:25<zedoo>well, it's the one i'm used to..
16:26<azaghal>It might be time to get the second package in the line :/
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16:26<spkitty>i'm running LAMP + wordpress for a site that gets around 50 hits a day and still have 100MB or so of my 360MB free
16:26<Dianoga>apache2 can run fine on the 360 provided it is tuned well
16:29<maushu>I'm running nginx, mysql and php. 60mb used.
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16:29<mwalling>Dianoga: didnt say it couldnt
16:29<mwalling>Dianoga: just saying theres others out there
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16:30<Dianoga>mwalling: agreed
16:30<Dianoga>mwalling: I wasn't actually trying to disagree with you. Just making sure zedoo was aware of it.
16:31<Dean>Hey all! I just signed up today. I got SSHed in alright, but I'm having trouble setting up the AMP in LAMP. I installed Ubuntu 9.10. Does it already have Apache, MySQL and PHP installed?
16:31<linbot>The rules: (#1) RTFM, (#2) ???, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole
16:31<mwalling>Dianoga: no
16:31<mwalling>Dean: no. install them yourself
16:32<Dean>Cool. That's what I've been trying to do. sudo apt-get apache ain't workin'
16:32<mwalling>thats because "apache" isnt a command for apt-get
16:32<Dianoga>Dean: pretty much anything that isn't required for a functioning system will need to be setup by you. Keeps things light
16:32<Dianoga>sudo apt-get install apache2
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16:32<Dean>I will be up front in saying that my command line skills are sub-par.
16:32<mwalling>you'll need to update first
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16:33<mwalling>linode purges the apt-cache on the images before deploying htem
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16:33<Dean>I see. So how would I go about updating?
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16:33<JshWright>aptitude update
16:33<Dianoga>sudo apt-get update
16:34<Dean>Dianoga: perfect. Don't know why I couldn't find that. Thank you.
16:34<Dianoga>though I actually don't see that apt needs updating in there
16:35<Dianoga>if anything is missing, ask and someone will probably help you out
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16:35<Dean>"probably" - nice :) I think that link will help quite a bit. Thank you.
16:35<mwalling>[12-22] 16:33:11 < mwalling> linode purges the apt-cache on the images before deploying htem
16:35<mwalling>so update is required before install will be able to find any packages
16:36<Dean>I did update.
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16:37<Wraithan>Just to be sure, but the 12mo and 24mo are upfront payments right?
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16:37<mwalling>you'll pay the rest of this month, then jan-1 to dec-31
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16:37<Wraithan>And one can switch to those when ready pretty easily? from a month to month plan that is
16:37<CompWizrd>and they're really quick about getting it switched from monthly to yearly if you want to change it later
16:37<mwalling>Wraithan: open a ticket
16:38<mwalling>Wraithan: its that easy
16:38<Wraithan>Very cool
16:38<mwalling>CompWizrd: i'd hope so, its capital infusion :)
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16:40<zedoo>okay so I have one. I guess i first deploy a distro and when I'm happy I'll create an image right. I'm not sure what's a config profile though.
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16:44<zedoo>mwalling thank you. looks easy as pie.
16:44<Dianoga>a very tasty pie
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16:45<brandon272>For the Linode Manager, I want to setup the whitelist feature. My ISP IP is a dynamic IP, so I would like to be able to set up a "range" of IP addresses. Is this possible?
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16:47<Dianoga>When someone attempts to log in with your username from an IP that is not on your whitelist an email alert is sent to you.
16:47<Dianoga>As long as you can get to your email you can allow the login
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16:48<brandon272>OK, I guess I'll just do that until I get a static IP.
16:48<@caker>brandon272: you can enter a range of IPs, yes
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16:49<@caker>brandon272: once you enable the whitelist, there's an "Edit Whitelist" link that appears on your My Profile page
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17:19<Bohemian>can someone please help
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17:19<Bohemian>mv: cannot move `drupal-6.15/themes' to `/var/www/': Directory not empty
17:19<Bohemian>i have permissions to mv in var/www
17:19<zedoo>wow I love it. console is really fast.
17:19<Bohemian>why the hell does mv drupal-6.15/* /var/www/ not work???
17:19<mwalling>Directory not empty
17:20<mwalling>thats the hell why.
17:20<Bohemian>why can't i move the stuff in the dir?
17:20<Bohemian>and just replace it
17:21<mwalling>because `/var/www/': Directory not empty
17:21<Bohemian>why can't i just replace it with the new stuff
17:21<mwalling>because its not empty
17:21<Bohemian>is there an option to force it?
17:21<zedoo>this is just how it works
17:22<Bohemian>so i have to manually move 1000s of small files?
17:22<Bohemian>there's no way to automate this?
17:22<TheFirst>or cp
17:22<Bohemian>cp won't work either
17:22<mwalling>thats because you're not using the right options with cp
17:22<TheFirst>cp sure as hell will
17:22<mwalling>how are you going to relink files if there are already files there?
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17:23<mwalling>mv is giving you a huge hint. listen to it
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17:24<Bohemian>i dont know
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17:25<mwalling>what does "Directory not empty" mean?
17:25<Bohemian>when i try to cp it says this for each dir that's in there "cp: omitting directory `drupal-6.15/themes'"
17:25<Bohemian>means stuff is in it
17:25<Bohemian>the stuff i want to fucking overwrite
17:25<Bohemian>i don't see why i can't do that?
17:25<mwalling>so, what does mv: cannot move `drupal-6.15/themes' to `/var/www/': Directory not empty
17:25<Bohemian>there's stuff in /var/www/
17:25<mwalling>what does `rm` do?
17:25<Bohemian>so just rm all of it?
17:26<mwalling>try it
17:26<Dianoga>Bohemian: can you move drupal-6.15/themes/* /var/www/
17:26*mwalling stabs Dianoga
17:26*Dianoga thought he may want to save things that were already there
17:26<Bohemian>no, because there are subdir's in there
17:27*mwalling thinks Dianoga has a good point, but Bohemian needs to learn coreutil basics too
17:28*Dianoga agrees with mwalling, but doesn't think losing potentially important data should be lessons we teach
17:28<leaf_>do cp -R to fix that cp error
17:28*tarpman likes rsync.
17:28*mwalling stabs leaf_ too
17:28*mwalling hands leaf_ a spoon and a bib
17:29<mwalling>no, you're mommy now
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17:29<Dianoga>Bohemian: does what leaf or I said make sense?
17:29<Bohemian>i understand -r, but -r wasn't available in mv --help
17:29<Bohemian>sorry, i was growing so frustrated
17:30<leaf_>its capital R
17:30<leaf_>and its for copy
17:30<Bohemian>it matters?
17:30<leaf_>not move
17:30<leaf_>yes it does
17:30<Dianoga>mv is (I beleive) always recursive
17:30<Dianoga>not that I can spell :D
17:30<mwalling>it is and it isnt
17:31<mwalling>its implicitly recursive because it repoints the link for the new name to the old name
17:31<Dianoga>true...really it just changes where the folder is. Doesn't actually move anything under it
17:31<mwalling>which is why it cant mv onto a directory thats occupied
17:31<Dianoga>mwalling: explained it better
17:31<Bohemian>yay, i got it
17:31<Bohemian>thank you
17:31<Bohemian>i understand it now
17:31<mwalling>do you have it?
17:31<Bohemian>learned new linux tricks today :)
17:31<mwalling>or do you think you have it so we shut up and spoon feed you later
17:31<Bohemian>and got what i needed done
17:32<Bohemian>the bifecta
17:32<Bohemian>no, i understand it
17:32<mwalling>why didnt mv work. in your own words
17:32<Bohemian>because the dir's weren't empty, and you can't mv something when it's not empty
17:32<mwalling>why not?
17:33<mwalling>(you'll thank me for being an asshole later, i promise)
17:33<Bohemian>because it's not empty
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17:34<spkitty>haha nice try
17:34<mwalling>Bohemian: whats not empty?
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17:34<Bohemian>the dir of (2)
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17:35<mwalling>(the man pages call that the destination)
17:35<mwalling>and why wont mv let you move onto a non-empty directory?
17:35<Bohemian>because there's already files there that can't be overwritten
17:36<mwalling>mv doesnt write anything to files
17:36<mwalling>(unless its a cross filesystem mv, which is then just a cp followed by an rm)
17:36<vuf>what's this talk about mv not moving into non-empty directories?
17:36<mwalling>vuf: scroll up about 2 pages
17:36<vuf>mwalling, I joined a page and a half ago
17:36<mwalling>so you did
17:36<mwalling>[12-22] 17:19:15 < Bohemian> mv: cannot move `drupal-6.15/themes' to `/var/www/': Directory not empty
17:37<Bohemian>because the destination dir is not empty?
17:38<leaf_>because if there is a file with the same name as the source in the destination the file could point to the wrong file ?
17:38<Bohemian>right, and it can't just overwrite it
17:39<leaf_>mv is fast because it doesnt move any data it just relinks
17:39<zedoo>mv just t says 'the new parent of 'themes' shall be ''. But this thing already has a child called so. You just cannot call two of your childs 'themes'. That's why it fails.
17:40<leaf_>thats why you cant mv into non empty folder i reckon
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17:42<linbot>mwalling: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS11351; ASN owner: Road Runner HoldCo LLC; ASN reg: 1998-07-14; City: South Glens Falls; State: New York; Postal code: 12803; Country: US; Latitude: 43.2824; Longitude: -73.6341; UTC offset: -5; Area code: 518;
17:42<mwalling>south glens falls... hmmm
17:42<linbot>leaf_: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS2119; ASN owner:; ASN reg: 2003-04-25; City: Jar; State: Akershus; Country: NO; Latitude: 59.9167; Longitude: 10.6167; UTC offset: 1;
17:43<vuf>mwalling, so the crucial part that i missed was that src and dst had the same name ... thanks
17:44<zedoo>mwalling why are you trying to find out things about this guy?
17:44<mwalling>zedoo: my home ip is
17:45<linbot>mwalling: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS11351; ASN owner: Road Runner HoldCo LLC; ASN reg: 1998-07-14; City: Schenectady; State: New York; Postal code: 12308; Country: US; Latitude: 42.8233; Longitude: -73.9202; UTC offset: -5; Area code: 518;
17:45<Pryon>Schenectady! So good they called it Schenectady!
17:45<mwalling>zedoo: when he comes back, i'm going to recommend he go to the LUG in our area... maybe he'll learn a bit more :)
17:45*SelfishMan stalks mwalling
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17:46<mwalling>SelfishMan: sch'dy is a big city
17:46<SelfishMan>mwalling: Don't worry. I refuse to travel to places I can't pronounce.
17:46<mwalling>sk neck ta dee
17:46<mwalling>ska neck ta dee
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17:48<mwalling>no, its not a "she" sound
17:48<mwalling>its a "ska"
17:48<mwalling>its indian
17:49<mwalling>(mohawk tribe, upstate new york)
17:49<leaf_>does it mean anything
17:49<SelfishMan>roughtly translated it means "city of assholes"
17:49<mwalling>The name "Schenectady" is derived from a Mohawk word for "on that side of the pinery," or "near the pines," or "place beyond the pine plains."
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17:50<leaf_>thats cool
17:50<mwalling>first settled by the dutch, so all the streets start with "van"
17:50<SelfishMan>van urmomen
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17:52<SelfishMan>I'm tempted to write a script for irssi that performs an ipinfo on people when they join
17:52<SelfishMan>just have to ratelimit the hell out of it
17:52<leaf_>i have a small script that names country
17:52<mwalling>based on tld?
17:52<leaf_>hardcoded tld list
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17:54<zedoo>my linode's ip address is a fix one right?
17:55<vuf>zedoo, that is right
17:56<leaf_>also called a static ip
17:56<zedoo>leaf_ hey that's the term yeah
17:57<zedoo>I'll sleep now. Last workday of this year's coming closer :-)
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18:39<MACscr>any chance I could get a 256 or 128mb vps for ~$10?
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18:40<webuser>Hi what processor does a 360 have
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18:55<MACscr>any staff members around?
18:55<leaf_>my new website
18:56<abysed>man thats professional looking
18:57<abysed>how long did that take you
18:57<Smark>haha oh god, kill it with fire
18:58<abysed>thats like, flashbacks of 1995 web design
19:00<BarkerJr>MACscr, you can read
19:00<BarkerJr>but I can save you time by saying the answer is "no" :)
19:00<BarkerJr>they will not go under $20/mo
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19:02<Eviltechie>My linode is refusing to boot
19:02<MACscr>BarkerJr: I figured, but I also figured it would be worth to ask
19:02<@caker>Eviltechie: submit a ticket and we'll get you fixed up
19:03<@caker>MACscr: No, we won't be doing under $20 Linodes
19:03<MACscr>caker: np, I read the thread
19:04<abysed>could grab a 360 and split it with someone :D
19:05<MACscr>man, trying to find a vps based on a geographical location is not fun
19:05<bob2>abysed: it's still <blink>UNDER CONSTRUCTION</blink>
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19:06<abysed>fantastic ;-)
19:06<bob2>especially since 95% of vps companies are idiots or scammers
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19:10<maushu>You shouldn't use blink.
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19:13<maushu>leaf_, the source code. It's beautiful.
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19:17<leaf_>oh yeah
19:18<MACscr>bob2: I agree, but you can replace "VPS" with just "hosts" in general
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19:34<Yaakov>leaf_: You forgot and several
19:35<Yaakov>But I still like mine...
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20:08<Yaakov>Any nursing mother will tell you that's codswallop.
20:09<Yaakov>The baby has the impulse to use it, but it requires practice to get it right.
20:09<Yaakov>So, pfft.
20:10<amitz>!f codswallop
20:10<linbot>amitz: The word codswallop, primarily a British English term meaning "nonsense", is an interjection of uncertain origin.
20:12<BarkerJr>dang brits inventing their own inglish
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20:26<orudie>how can I give a user permission to write within /var/www directory ?
20:29<orudie>I tried to accomplish this with usermod -aG www-data <user> , and still can't write
20:29<beefsalad>what dot he perms on /var/www look like?
20:30<beefsalad>perms and ownership
20:31<orudie>ls -ld
20:31<orudie>drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data root 4096 Dec 23 01:24
20:31<linbot>New news from forums: Spam email from a Linode with my email account... wtf? in /dev/random <>
20:32<beefsalad>the reason your usermod didn't work, is because the group ownership of that directory is root, not www-data
20:34<orudie>so what would be a good way to accomplish this ?
20:35<beefsalad>I can't tell you all the implications of doing it, but you could chown www-data.www-data /var/www and get the results you want
20:36<Wraithan>A good way to accomplish this would be to read the chown man page
20:36<linbot>New news from forums: Spam email from a Linode to my email account... wtf? in /dev/random <>
20:37<Yaakov>caker: PING
20:37<beefsalad>rtfm, classy
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20:38<Wraithan>beefsalad: Well he should understand what it means to do that command, the man page explains it better than most people would.
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20:38*beefsalad nods
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20:40<orudie>beefsalad, okay i ran chown www-data.www-data /var/www and still cant write
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20:41<amitz>orudie: you need to "refresh", basically the setting is applied only at login time, so logout that user then relogin.
20:41<Wraithan>orudie: id your user to make sure the user has write access
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20:43<orudie>amitz, I just logged out and logged in still can't write
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20:44<amitz>just found out an interesting concept already well-known in IT, firewalling your bank account using gateway.. heh
20:45<orudie>Wraithan, i'm not sure how to do that :)
20:46<Wraithan>id username
20:47<amitz>I believe you should have learnt this but you need to make sure the user has access to /var/www
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20:48<orudie>shows 33(www-data) after groups=
20:48<orudie>I am trying to learn as I go amitz
20:48<amitz>basically make sure the user is of the same name or same group (in this case) as declared in /var/www
20:48<orudie>currently production box still
20:48<orudie>i mean not production
20:51<orudie>well according to id both user and www-data belong to the same group 33(www-data)
20:52<amitz>since it's likely that you want to make the username of /var/www, which is www-data, to be the same name the user you're using, that means you have to make your user belongs to group www-data.
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20:52<Musicmasteria>I need help :(
20:52<amitz>so there is a concept of adding a username to a group (which what we want is www-data). man adduser :-p
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20:53<Musicmasteria>apache is acting very wierd, all php is not being displayed on my site, it's all just blank pages
20:53<bob2>check your logs
20:53<bob2>specifically, your error log
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20:54<amitz>orudie: ah, just saw that. Then I have no idea for now.
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20:55<orudie>amitz, i believe I added user to group www-data with usermod -aG www-data <user>
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20:57<amitz>orudie: that should be enough. another possibility, make sure the permission of parents directories allow your user write access. In this case permission of /var. Unlikely scenario but if you have nothing better to do :-p
21:00<amitz>orudie: btw, I assume console access.
21:00<Wraithan>more likely is does the file you are trying to change already exist, or is it in a sub directory?
21:01<Wraithan>if it was created with the wrong permissions then likely you can't change it
21:01<orudie>Wraithan, i'm testing by trying to create a new file like mkdir test with that user
21:01<Wraithan>ah ok
21:01<amitz>orudie: on /var/www right? Not below.
21:02<orudie>amitz, tried in both /www and below
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21:03<amitz>what's the error message anyway?
21:04<orudie>this /var/www$ mkdir test
21:04<orudie>mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Permission denied
21:06*amitz is sinking deeper,
21:06<amitz>you have checked that the user is the one you intended?
21:06<amitz>and you have paid attention to all our warnings?
21:07<amitz>and relogin
21:08<orudie>amitz, pm
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21:13<aaronpk>iirc, linodes cannot be PCI compliant, yes?
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21:19<Musicmasteria>i really need some help figuring out what is going on with my site, it's wordpress based and ALL pages having to do with wordpress return nothing but blank pages
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21:19<aaronpk>Musicmasteria: have you double checked the database username/password?
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21:22<bob2>Musicmasteria: read.your.logs
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21:26<Musicmasteria>bob2, i did
21:27<Musicmasteria>wordpress would be showing db errors if it was the db
21:27<bob2>read your error logs
21:27<bob2>and see what is going on
21:27<Musicmasteria>you wana see them?
21:30<amitz>heh, I should have identified orudie's problem waaay back from the start. Sloppy me.
21:32<orudie>how about making user owner of subdirectory within /var/www
21:35<Musicmasteria>bob2, it's too long for pastebin
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21:35<bob2>pick the last 100 lines then
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21:36<amitz>orudie: it depends on your need.. Let me formulate the rule of permission in linux.
21:36<amitz>or let me google :-p
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21:42<amitz>orudie: basically to be able to do something at a given location, permissions of the folder/file and all directories above it must be set to allow. That's basically it.
21:43<amitz>orudie: so there is a question of whether you want to allow one user only to access that subdirectory? If yeah, then you can set the subdirectory to be owned by that user, and set the permission for that user in that subdirectory accordingly.
21:43<amitz>or use group for multiple users access. Keep in mind that one user can belong to multiple groups.
21:47<amitz>and the default of permission (if nothing is mentioned) is deny. To allow access, you explicitly declares allow.
21:48<amitz>It's not necessary to understand it now, it will make sense later.
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22:08<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so fat, she must have been compiled with --fatroll-loops! (746:4/3) [mrmuo]
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22:25<James>What is the incoming bandwidth allowed on a single node
22:25<James>I am looking to create a load balancer
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22:25<Dreamr3>that's on the website
22:25<Dreamr3>bandwidth limits for each plan
22:26<Guest80>No the cap on the mb/s
22:27<Dreamr3>100mbits i'd suppose
22:27<Dreamr3>might check the forums
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22:29<Peng>Dreamr3: There is no cap.
22:29<Dreamr3>there is a physical cap
22:29<Dreamr3>on the port
22:30<Dreamr3>this is technology, not magic
22:31<Peng>OK, you're right. Still, there is no intentional cap, and the hosts use GbE.
22:32<Dreamr3>so 1GbE then :)
22:32<Dreamr3>pretty fast :)
22:33<Peng>Back in the day, their servers had two Ethernet ports, but I dunno if they still do.
22:33<Peng>And anyway, if the network itself is only 1 gigabit, that doesn't matter, right?
22:33*Peng doesn't know
22:33<Trystan>regardless of the total
22:33<Trystan>you share it though
22:33<Trystan>so it will vary depending on other usage
22:33<Dreamr3>Trystan: good point
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22:33<Dreamr3>i suppose it's not metered
22:33<Dreamr3>so it could be abused too
22:34<Dreamr3>well, overall is metered though
22:34<Peng>At this point, each DC only averages a few hundred Mbps at most.
22:34<Trystan>overall will point out anyone doing abuse anyway
22:34<Peng>Dreamr3: Abused?
22:34<Trystan>someone whoring it
22:34<Dreamr3>someone using too much :)
22:34<Trystan>honestly though
22:35<Dreamr3>well i guess he was talking incoming
22:35<Dreamr3>so that'd take an attack of some sort
22:35<Trystan>for the price paid, if its slow for a minute, then i cbf caring about it :D
22:36<Peng>There are occasional DDoSes. They're usually mitigated in 10-30 minutes.
22:37*SelfishMan fails to see why incoming bandwidth would be more important for a load balancer on Linode
22:37<Peng>Guess he misunderstood something.
22:38<Peng>Maybe...incoming from the backends to the frontend?
22:38<SelfishMan>why would that matter?
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22:39<Trystan>depends on the objective
22:39<Trystan>load balancer to speed things up or for redundancy
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22:39<SelfishMan>no it doesn't, not on Linodes
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22:41<SelfishMan>Linode supports exactly one node sending traffic for an IP. A load balancer would have to handle all the traffic in both directions on behalf of the actual work nodes therefore the bandwidth would be symetric.
22:42<SelfishMan>If the nodes were able to spoof the source or if the IP was sent to a multicast MAC then the incoming to the load balancer would be an issue but this doesn't apply to linode
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22:43<Trystan>kinda missread what you said earlier
22:43<Trystan>missed the /incoming/ bandwidth part
22:43<SelfishMan>ah, yeah
22:44<SelfishMan>that is the part that changes he whole discussion
22:50<SelfishMan>!urmom amitz
22:50<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so old that when she was in school there was no history class! (789:1/1) [rmomu]
22:50<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so fat, she played hide-and-seek and they kept looking for other kids behind her! (738:0/0) [muomr]
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22:51<SelfishMan>!amitz urmom
22:51<linbot>SelfishMan: The two most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and urmom. (830:3/1) [umrmo]
22:53<linbot>amitz: This "yo momma" intentionally left blank. (820:2/5) [mromu]
22:53<amitz>hey, I don't need to register anymore to use linbot :-D
22:54<Peng>Too bad I'm already registered.
22:54<amitz>let me guess, urmom was your only reason to register? ;-)
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23:24<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS36351; ASN owner: SoftLayer Technologies Inc.; ASN reg: 2005-12-12; City: Dallas; State: Texas; Postal code: 75207; Country: US; Latitude: 32.7825; Longitude: -96.8207; UTC offset: -6; Area code: 214; Domains: 51;
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23:50<linbot>Itsuki: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS21844; ASN owner: Internet Services, Inc.; ASN reg: 2001-06-29; City: Absecon; State: New Jersey; Postal code: 08201; Country: US; Latitude: 39.4209; Longitude: -74.4977; UTC offset: -5; Area code: 609;
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23:52<Itsuki>Where can we get a Bot exactly like LinBot?
23:53<@pparadis>linbot is a delicate snowflake, like no other.
23:53<Itsuki>that's why i want a clone :P
23:54<Itsuki>Eh... anyone know how to kill swap, cause my system is using 1% (104KB) even though it should be 0%
23:54<Itsuki>cause i haven't even run out of memory yet.
23:54<@pparadis>Itsuki: caching in swap is not a bad thing.
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23:55<Itsuki>No, it shouldn't be using swap at all.
23:55<Itsuki>free -m reports it as unused, but PhpSysInfo and top report it as being used :/
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23:55<@pparadis>in normal operations, linux will cache rarely used stuff.
23:56<@pparadis>you don't have to run out of memory to lightly cache in swap, and again, it's not a bad thing :)
23:56<@pparadis>now, heavy swapping because you _are_ out of memory is a bad thing.
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