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#linode IRC Logs for 2009-12-28

---Logopened Mon Dec 28 00:00:19 2009
00:00<amitz>chesty: I'm not a loser.
00:01<chesty>i disagree
00:01<amitz>we'll see tomorrow.
00:01<SelfishMan>amitz won
00:01<linbot>SelfishMan: timed out
00:01<linbot> <-- push it. now.
00:02<linbot>SelfishMan: timed out
00:02<linbot> <-- push it. now.
00:02<erikh>!urmom timed out
00:02<SelfishMan>what the hell?
00:02<linbot>erikh: timed out
00:02*erikh wins
00:03<@jed>Foxtrot! Uniform! Charlie! Kilo! This is madness!
00:03<linbot>amitz: timed out
00:03<nb>lol jed
00:03<Nivex>♫ It's the end of the world as we know it! ♫
00:03<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so slow, Norton runs faster than her! (743:13/0) [mrumo]
00:03<erikh>someone lace the punch in here?
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00:04<SelfishMan>apache is being pissy
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00:09<chesty>amitz: what did you get for christmas?
00:09<SelfishMan>amitz got URMOM
00:09<chesty>lucky guy
00:10<darkside_>if you only allow ssh access via passphrase, is there any use to using a tool like fail2ban?
00:11<erikh>key only there's not
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00:11<chesty>stops the logd from getting clogged
00:11<amitz>I bought myself a cellphone and so does my wife. We pretended to we gave each other present I guess :-p
00:11<erikh>the account gatherers/bruteforce attempts basically spend all their time writing logs
00:11<amitz>chesty: you?
00:11<erikh>... if syslogd is slowing you down, you have larger issues
00:12<amitz>SelfishMan: I give you chesty's mom. am I nice or what?
00:12<chesty>amitz: bed sheets and t-shirts ;)
00:12<chesty>i think you won amitz
00:12<erikh>getting the wife a new computer chair
00:12<erikh>we were out of town all week, so I decided to wait until we got back
00:12<erikh>she gets to pick, and we get the after-christmas sales
00:12<darkside_>well, yea, logs are filling up (maybe) but I don't see that being a problem with log rotation enabled.
00:12<erikh>got the mom a wii
00:12<erikh>I am #1 son at least for a few months
00:14<amitz>chesty: well, obviously the price will get better in the next couple of years. ;-)
00:14<amitz>erikh: I don't dare giving people stuff like chair. Comfort level is a personal thing I believe.
00:14<amitz>ah, she got to pick.
00:15<chesty>what phone did you get?
00:15<erikh>yeah, that's why I wanted her to pick
00:15<erikh>we're going tomorrow
00:15<erikh>win-win... she gets to pick and we save money at the sales
00:15<erikh>and we were out of town, so she wouldn't have been able to use it until today anyways
00:15<amitz>nokia e63. I have checked, they have a very awesome search feature I have been looking for that is only available on palm based cellphone.
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00:16<amitz>Basically, click search, enter the phrase, and they will give you all relevant results in all documents/contact/task/agenda, group by documents type.
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00:17<amitz>the result is also updated per character you enter, which is something palm doesn't (or didn't) do.
00:18<amitz>I was blessed this christmas because my old cellphone damaged by battery again. This is the second time so I deserve to buy a new one ;-)
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00:28<amitz>I often time need to pull info about a people/object ASAP while talking on the phone so this is really godsend/santasend. No more stalling on the phone :-D
00:28<SelfishMan>amitz: you won
00:29<amitz>unfortunately the response time is higher than palm but still acceptable.
00:29<amitz>SelfishMan: yay!
00:29<linbot>amitz: timed out
00:30<linbot> <-- push it. now.
00:30<linbot>SelfishMan: Your momma gives better HEAD than a spambot! (834:2/9) [rmoum]
00:30<amitz>chesty: let me do your job.
00:30<SelfishMan>damn server load
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00:38<Jhong>OK -- just tested -- I guess it should not be advertised far and wide, but BBC iPlayer serves just fine to a UK linode
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00:39<Jhong>It is slow as hell, but I think my ISP is doing traffic shaping. I am guessing that if I can get SSH to work over port 80, it will be better/
00:40<SelfishMan>Jhong: what makes you think they aren't shaping port 80 too?
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00:45<Jhong>SelfishMan: I don't know -- perhaps you can offer some advice on it? I am in China, and have to SSH to my squid proxy in order to access various sites. However, the connection reliably dries up after about a minute -- becoming painfully slow, but not dropping altogether. Same seems to happen on standard and non-standard SSH ports. I assume that since "China" can't know for sure what is in the SSH traffic, they don't block it outright, but throttle it to wit
00:45<Jhong>hin an inch of its life
00:45<Jhong>Since web access is generally OK, I am assuming that connecting the SSH tunnel to port 80 will be better.
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00:46<chesty>try 443, or openvpn
00:46<Jhong>It will probably have to masquerade as http traffic too
00:46<SelfishMan>any encrypted traffic is easy to classify
00:47<Jhong>problem with 443 is that I then cannot run an SSL virtualhost.
00:47<@jed>maybe 8080?
00:47*jed toes the line between helping, aiding, and abetting
00:48*JoeK toes jed's mom
00:48<@jed>you could always get clever and put the encrypted traffic as a POST request
00:48<@jed>going to take some custom code on your part, though
00:48<Jhong>perhaps the only way is to run Proxytunnel over port 443 -- I assume that it is impossible to tell if an SSH tunnel is hidden inside https traffic?
00:48<amitz>I believe there is an adage, urmom is under your toe or something like that...
00:48<Jhong>But it does mean buying an additional IP address.
00:49<amitz>ah, "Heaven Lies Under The Feet Of The Mother"
00:50<@jed>I had an idea for something like that behind AT&T's Great Firewall, which was sshing through HTTP -- it's probably been done, but the problem I ran into was coercing state out of a stateless protocol
00:50<amitz>I found the concept... perverse :-p
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00:50<@jed>plus the monkeys at AT&TIS corporate security do traffic analysis, so it wouldn't last long
00:50<beefsalad>jed: how about this?
00:51<@jed>haha, hot.
00:51<Jhong>I think proxytunnel keeps the http connection alive, but no idea how reliable it will be. It is painful to set up when I want to keep various web sites up and running too
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00:52<amitz>beefsalad: !!
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00:52<beefsalad>calm down, it's just a URL
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00:59<majorp>hey guys/gals. I'm trying to run a php script via cron and can't workout where my php is located?! it's not in /usr/bin/php. any ideas?
00:59<beefsalad>majorp: which php (thats a command, not a question)
01:00<@jed>majorp: dpkg -L <package> will yield the files a package installs
01:00<@jed>I have php-cgi on one of my linodes for wordpress, and dpkg -L php5-cgi tells me:
01:01<BP{k}>bash: dpkg: command not found :P
01:02<majorp>i don't think i've got it as cgi. i'm trying to run this "*/1 * * * * /etc/cron.d/php5 /home/user/public_html/" in crontab but it's giving me a file not found error
01:02<majorp>on the php location
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01:03<@jed>you want php-cli for this task, and what is /etc/cron.d/php5?
01:03<@jed>did you write that?
01:03<majorp>found it via "find"
01:03<@jed>I don't think it's what you want
01:03<@jed>sudo -
01:04<@jed>aptitude update && aptitude install php5-cli
01:04<@jed>"*/1 * * * * /usr/bin/php5-cli /home/user/public_html/
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01:06<majorp>it's asking me to remove and downgrade certain packages
01:08<TLKit>Linode is win.
01:09<chesty>no, linux
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01:11<Jhong>It does seem that just running SSH on port 443 is a bit more reliable. Maybe they are just traffic shaping based on port number
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01:31<@jed>Build Succeeded (3,741 warnings)
01:31*jed stares
01:31<beefsalad>make world?
01:32<@jed>no, thought I'd be clever and -Wall on my project
01:32<@jed>shouldn't have
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01:32<shakti>anyone here?
01:32<amitz>only me alone.
01:33<@jed>woot, unchecked 3 boxes and down to 79 warnings, most of them no newlines
01:33<@jed>the compiler not telling you == warning doesn't exist
01:33<@jed>rock on, rebel programming \m/
01:34<shakti>can you guys help answer questions about setting up a linode account?
01:34<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
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01:34<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
01:34<amitz>that is really needed to be said :-)
01:35<shakti>I had a question about setting up a linode image. I have a vmware machine already. what can I do to just use that on Linode instead of starting new and installing packages?
01:36<@jed>that starts with a virtualbox install, but you get the idea
01:36<@jed>might consider starting here (but the top includes finnix, which will come in handy):
01:39<amitz>do network usually allow ping by default anyway even if your access is restricted?
01:39<amitz>ping to internet.
01:40<@jed>amitz: depends on the network; pings are usually mandated by RFC law
01:40<@jed>at least, replies are -- not sure about requests
01:40<JoeK>just gave linode a 9/10 on WHT
01:40<@jed>JoeK: I am personally offended by our lack of a 10
01:40<amitz>googling about replies vs requests.
01:41<JoeK>my personal reasons are there jed :P
01:41*jed crosses arms
01:43<JoeK>recommendation: panel support (directadmin, cpanel, etc)
01:44<TLKit>Eugh, hm.
01:49<shakti>thanks, for the link thats what I was looking for. So basically I copy the disk from the vm to linode and set that as the root mount? Is that right?
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02:02<shakti2>is it possible to run joomla and zimbra seperately so that if one crashes the other is unaffected?
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02:09<amitz>shakti2: technically yes but too difficult and problemnatic.
02:09<amitz>shakti2: and consume more memory
02:10<amitz>shakti2: more importantly, what do you mean by crash? why did it crash?
02:10<amitz>if it crashes because of running out of memory, nothing you can do much except limiting the number of allowed user.
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02:26<shakti2>I was thinking if the webserver crashes because of development work for some reason, I would want to make sure Zimbra would still run
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02:31<guinea-pig>don't do development work on a production system?
02:32<beefsalad>good answer
02:41<shakti2>right, this is why I was hoping to create some kind of separation between the two
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02:42<shakti2>I was thinking of trying to run a vmware zimbra appliance and a vmware joomla appliance, is there any way to do that?
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02:54<JoeK>uh, lets say i have a linode 1080
02:54<JoeK>can i run a windows vm in it?
02:54<JoeK>(lets say giving it 512mb ram etc)
02:54<JoeK>vmware or virtualbox
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02:57<Mars>Hi Linode my "dallas43" has powered off. I could not reboot that server.
02:57<JoeK>is linode going to expand into fmt2?
02:57<Mars>how can I resolve that auto powered off problem?
02:58<JoeK>Mars: is lassie enabled?
02:58<Peng>JoeK: Having multiple DCs in the same city would be kind of confusing.
02:59<JoeK>it also would allow more people to buy linodes :P
02:59<JoeK>(in given area)
02:59<JoeK>i take it newark is huge
03:00<Peng>JoeK: Sure, but so would an other DC in California.
03:01<JoeK>2 locations so close to each other is kind of confusing :P
03:01<Peng>Given the limited number of facilities Linode is in, having 2 that aren't completely independent feels like a wasted opportunity to me.
03:02<Peng>(NB: I'm not in the market for a west coast Linode anyway...)
03:02*amitz want to flame someone, anyone...
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03:03<Peng>amitz: {vim,emacs} is way better than {emacs,vim}!
03:03<amitz>the fact that I laughed means I'm really in a bad mood..
03:04<Mars>JoeK: How to enable Lassie in dallas43?
03:04<JoeK>should be active by default
03:05<JoeK>doe sstarting it fail?
03:05<Mars>JoeK: now that problem solved. thx
03:05<JoeK>ok then
03:05<JoeK>glad i could be of assistance
03:05<Peng>Mars: So...everything's working now?
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03:19*amitz wants to strangle someone
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03:19<JoeK>your chicken ?
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03:20<chesty>you're chicken?
03:21<JoeK>im not chicken
03:22*amitz was at his weakest moment...
03:22*amitz bribed someone to do something...
03:22<amitz>to get me out of bind.
03:23<chesty>easy fixed, /etc/init.d/bind stop
03:23<amitz>better yet, apt-get purge bind . :-p
03:23<Gopher>Does anyone know a good command line email app for debian?
03:24<Gopher>Thanks, I'll check them out
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03:29<Goph>Well, the package manager doesn't seem to have alpine
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03:29*amitz slaps chicken
03:30*amitz kicks chicken
03:30<Goph>What I'm looking for is something with which I can send email with a system call
03:30*amitz steps on cake
03:30<Goph>Can I do that with mutt?
03:30<amitz>Goph: debian should have it, probably under different name...
03:31<amitz>oh, about alpine not existing in debian.
03:31<tkoskine>Goph: You should be able to do that. But if you don't, then another alternative is 'nail'.
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03:32<amitz>the package name is Alpine .
03:33<Goph>amitz- is it case sensitive?
03:33<amitz>Any of of you often intentionally put space in between punctuation and something clickable or copy-pastable. curious.
03:33<amitz>sorry, alpine :-p
03:33<amitz>oh, don't know though about sensitivity.
03:33<Goph>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "alpine"
03:33<amitz>but I don't know about alpine accessible from system call(?) or command line.
03:34<amitz>Goph: I used lenny. The lenny on linode has it.
03:34<amitz>have you apt-get update? or use contrib and non-free?
03:34<booja>hmmm update
03:35<booja>I need to update my 'node sometime
03:35<Goph>amitz: no I didn't, but I''d rather get one I know can do what I want
03:35<Goph>amitz: So you've used lenny to do it?
03:37<Goph>where is the man page for lenny? All I'm getting with google is a John Mayer song :)
03:38<amitz>amitz: oh, no. Just for a plain text-based email manager. At one time, I was considering running a really thin client and have all my need served by linode :-p
03:38<Goph>Actually, it looks like nail is accessible from the command line, maybe I'll just go with that
03:38<Goph>Ah, I've thought about that
03:39<amitz>Goph: great mind thinks alike.
03:39*amitz ducks
03:40<Goph>amitz: So how did that turn out?
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03:42<amitz>some of the urmom insults in is quite funny.
03:42<amitz>Goph: oh... hmm.. my connection to any linode DC is not exactly reliable so... I dropped it.
03:43<amitz>quote: Your mother is so fat, she stood on the scale and it gave her her phone number!
03:44<linbot>amitz: Yo momma's so blind, she dated mikegrb and thought it was Ben Affleck! (736:10/0) [moumr]
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03:51<Goph>tkoskine: Thanks for suggesting nail, it seems to be what I'm looking for
03:51<Goph>If I can get it to work
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04:36*amitz stares at amitz.
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04:39<amitz>is linbot capable of answering questions about linode? Perhaps for people who want to ask questions but don't want to flood the public channel?
04:41<linbot>amitz: I'm sentient
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04:43<amitz>linbot: can linbot be my mom?
04:43<linbot>Yes, we can!
04:45<amitz>linbot: is summerglau one of your linode? can I share the same host with her?
04:48<linbot>amitz: Sorry, she has a 14400.
04:49<amitz>linbot: I knew it, summerglauonastick is the most heavily visited site on linode.
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05:11<troy>damn it, everytime i go on wikipedia to research a topic i end up getting majorly sidetracked and end up reading totally random articles for hours
05:12<amitz>heh, the asus eee whose power button was stuck, was diassembled to clean the contact point and assembled. The reassmembling didn't work properly, the touch pad won't work anymore. Today they reassembled again but they screwed up. There was a fire spark. The wifi no longer works... *sigh*
05:12<amitz>troy: I know the feeling ;-)
05:13<amitz>OTOH, that means I have the justification to buy a new generation of netbook muahahahaha
05:13<amitz>christmas = shopping spree!
05:14<amitz>or perhaps it's time to reassess my approach from having a netbook as a server...
05:15<SirSquidness>I definitely think that needs reassessing, amitz
05:16<SirSquidness>you want one of those little dev boards that has almost nothing on it
05:16<SirSquidness>a lot smaller!
05:16<amitz>SirSquidness: it was a long story, I talked about it in #linode. I hide some details but the essence is correct.
05:17<amitz>what dev board?
05:18<Peng>troy: is even better.
05:23<SirSquidness>amitz: <-- I'm sure that 96MHz ARM CPU will do you fine :P
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05:35<amitz>SirSquidness: not portable enough since it's not a netbook. The 700-is mhz processor of asus eee 701 is just right. After all, there is a natural limit of the number of clients I can have per site.
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06:42<literal>Maybe you can help me. I have a script that checks if certain processes are running with ps(1), but I've discovered that discovered that one particular process doesn't show up with "ps -a" while another process doesn't show up with "ps -af". Shouldn't -a show ALL processes? And I thought -f only effected output formatting...
06:42<literal>s/discovered that//
06:43<chesty>i use ps aux
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06:44<literal>"ps aux" works like "ps -af" in my case. One process is missing.
06:46<literal>Ah, the problem is that the processes in question change their $0
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07:38<amitz>heh, there is micro-usb and there is mini-usb. They have no significant differences what so ever....
07:38<amitz>in term of size.
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07:47<literal>sure they do
07:50<amitz>literal: woah, if you zoom on it, the difference is actually large enough..
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08:13<chesty>no lol bot :(
08:13<chesty>oh, there is
08:13<praetorian>yep, I'm here.
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08:14<praetorian>never fear
08:14<abysed>lol z
08:14<praetorian>at 00.15 at night, there is only one thing you need.
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08:19<linbot>New news from forums: in General Discussion <>
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09:08<hisam>i hv created a j2me mobile app
09:08<hisam>which transfers file from one mobile to the other
09:08<hisam>and i do the file streaming thru my linode
09:09<hisam>wht can i do to increase the file transfer speed ??
09:09<hisam>any tweaks or upgradess??
09:09<erikh>hisam: I'm willing to bet your transfer speed is limited by your cell carrier
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09:09<erikh>i was actually thinking about creating a tap device that worked with comet HTTP
09:09<erikh>could be interesting
09:10<hisam>ya thats one part, but anything i can do on the server side erikh
09:10<hisam>so that the streaming becomes faster
09:10<erikh>hisam: I'm not sure what you mean. your phones are definitely the bottleneck.
09:10<Peng>hisam: The only thing you can do is transfer less data.
09:11<Karrde>you have 50mbps up
09:11<Karrde>what more do you want
09:11<hisam>increasing the linode internet speed of linode wont help??
09:12<Peng>hisam: Your Linode is not the bottleneck.
09:12<Peng>hisam: Phones are *slow*.
09:12<erikh>you can only go as fast as the slowest part
09:12<erikh>this is internet 101, man.
09:13<erikh>(very similar to "dealing with coworkers 101")
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09:13<hisam>so what if there are many users for my app
09:13<hisam>say a million
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09:13<hisam>and they r all doing transfers at d mesame ti
09:13<hisam>same time
09:14<erikh>well, if you're doing a million transfers at a time, I assure you any problems will have sorted themselves out long before you get to that point.
09:14<erikh>and if you want that kind of advice, I bill by the hour.
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09:28<ioudas>hi, this is my first time to linode irc (this tells something about the reliability of the service), I have more of a general question. I was wondering if it is normal in IT to have some kind of ethernet cable discharge events prevenention in their infastructure (somethink like this: My company recently had problem with this and it brought the whole database down, so I was wondering if it was pure
09:29<Peng>Wait, what is that?
09:29<Peng>ioudas: Did that get cut off? It ended at "I was wondering if it was pure"
09:30<ioudas>if it was pure bad luck or bad risk management.
09:30<erikh>not all clients respect the limit the servers indicate
09:30<ioudas>it;s a hole you plug the cable in before you plug it in the live socket
09:30<G>depends why the DB went down
09:31<ioudas>to prevent discharging posiible static charge that may have built up in the cable (by rubbing it against the carpet for example)
09:31<ioudas>is this really the first time you hear about this?
09:31<erikh>well, considering most ethernet cables are pvc shielded
09:31<G>ioudas: I can see what people think it was needed, but in reality WTF
09:32<Perihelion>We never used anything like that...we just kept our closets tidy o.O
09:32<ioudas>oh ok, i thought it was rather unusual due to the small number of google results
09:32<erikh>you're more likely to have a problem because you set your larger power lines next to your ethernet cables
09:32<G>ioudas: and why you have ethernet cables rubbing against carpet is beyond me... why do you have carpet in your server room anyway?
09:33<erikh>G: the average data center has changed a lot in the last 10 years, and even moreso in the last 5 years
09:33<erikh>I remember doing contract work at an isp that handled A/C outages by turning colocated servers off, because they didn't have a better long-term solution
09:33<G>erikh: I'm not talking about datacentres, server rooms :)
09:34<erikh>and yes, the floor was carpeted
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09:34<erikh>i'm talking about a place where the tech support was sitting right outside the data center
09:34<erikh>you say potato, I say potato
09:34<Perihelion>We had an AC outage once and one of the backups failed. They wouldn't let us turn them off so eventually everything overheated and shut off
09:34<G>Perihelion: then you had to buy new servers? :P
09:35<erikh>oh, I wasn't talking about power
09:35<erikh>I was talking about climate control
09:35<Perihelion>No, the servers were smart enough to turn off before they fried :3
09:35<erikh>ah, misread that
09:35<erikh>but yeah... internet stuffs are a lot more commercial now than they used to be
09:36<erikh>it's pretty commonplace to find reasonably priced raised floor setups, etc.
09:36<erikh>even in older buildings
09:37<Peng>Although not doing raised flooring is a hot new thing now. :P
09:37<Peng>And by "hot new thing" I mean "somebody did it once and it got on Data Center Knowledge". :P
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09:38<erikh>but really, it's kind of crazy... if you saw the outside of the building where our XO cabinet is, you'd half expect it to be condemned
09:39<erikh>inside it looks like something straight out of thx1138
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09:41<Daevien>carpet in server room to begin with is bad
09:42<Daevien>but thats a pretty funny image of the grounding plug :p
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09:45<ioudas>just finnished going through all the stuff you guys posted, I'd say our servers are in what you called server room more than in data centers :( and the customer support isn't so far from the entrnce either
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10:04<randallman>Mornin' yall.
10:05<amitz>randallman: nite!
10:05<amitz>any dream you'd like to share?
10:05<randallman>erikh the fav datacenter I ever worked in looked like a garage on the topside, but was in fact a large elevator that took you down 50+ feet....
10:06<randallman>Amitz, hmm lets see :) I dreampt that I was some type of criminal robbing something... :P
10:06<randallman>err dreamt :p0
10:06<randallman>DREAMED? :P
10:07<amitz>randallman: that's probably urmom, says freud :-p
10:07<randallman>nice :0
10:08<randallman>Or perhaps its because I'm wrapping up GTA4 on the PC :p
10:09<Peng>The dream symbolised, um, hmm. your innocence being robbed away because you're attracted to your mother. Yeah.
10:09<amitz>randallman: that reminds me, I just figured out some interesting setting on xen. I suspect xen on sdl is fast/compatible enough to run windows games.
10:09*randallman googles
10:10<amitz> <- your google result.
10:11<randallman>Direct X 7?
10:11<amitz>haven't tried yet. I encountered this option when trying to make my USB device recognized by xen. Weird huh...
10:12<randallman>This is for 2d pixel operations tho (as per the wiki?)
10:12<amitz>randallman: beggars can't be choosers :-p
10:12<randallman>There's a bunch of good 2d games from winders still
10:13<amitz>my wife would love this, she is a fan of those flash based games.
10:14<amitz>the looking for an item game... heh.
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10:15<randallman>Looking at this list brings back memories :)
10:15<randallman>Descent, 1 2 and 3... Descent Freespace :0
10:15<randallman>Freespace 2
10:15<randallman>those were great games in thier times... Redone today they would look simply AWESOME.
10:16<amitz>The redoning is what separate old games and new games?
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10:16<randallman>No im sorry, I mean if the engines were new
10:16<randallman>yet the basic premise/storyline was the same
10:17<randallman>Like FreeSpace 1 and 2 were just great space combat games...
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10:18<amitz>well, I'm talking about how new games story lines / premises are probably as good as old games. It's just that old games have more nostalgic feelings on them.
10:18<randallman>Let me back up a second :)
10:18<amitz></trolling> :-p
10:18<Peng>It's to make up for the crappy graphs.
10:18<randallman>I do not know of a current game similar to those two titles
10:18<randallman>Matter of factly, I havent seen any good games that really require a traditional joystick...
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10:19<randallman>Not lately
10:19<randallman>a. la. MechWarrior (1, 2, 3, 4)
10:19<randallman>or descent*
10:20<amitz>Peng: well, I'd guess that bad storline simply die in the past.
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10:20<TheFirst>randallman: not real recent but how about steel battalion?
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10:20<randallman>Steel Battalion for the Xbox?
10:20<randallman>with the 100$ controller? :P
10:20<randallman>it was fun, but didnt have the same mechwarrior feel...
10:21<TheFirst>$15 dollar controller if you found it at a used store :P
10:21<randallman>I come from playing battletech PnP
10:21<randallman>(yes, zomg, I was a dork as a child... imagine that)
10:21<TheFirst>my childhood ... or well my childhood once I had a modem was trade wars
10:22<amitz>btw, I meant, turning on sdl was one of the step to enable adding usb on the fly. That is weird.
10:22<randallman>amitz, that does seem odd
10:22<amitz>for xen guest.
10:22<randallman>I havent looked into giving my KVM winders 7 box any USB access
10:22<randallman>but I do manage my iPod with iTunes
10:22<randallman>so if I ever feel like doing that @ work, I need to give the USB to the KVM box
10:23<amitz>windows itunes? or...mac itunes? :-O
10:23<amitz>ah ;-)
10:23<randallman>Last mac I had was.... a Mac II :P
10:23<randallman>Sad thing is I'd probably like it, but...
10:23<amitz> <- the tutorial.
10:23<randallman>Find me that for KVM, and we have a deal
10:23<randallman>(a deal for what, I do not know)
10:24<amitz>heh :-)
10:24<randallman>Im just lazy I guess...
10:24<randallman>Im guessing its a config file edit away
10:24<randallman>for libvirtd
10:26<amitz>yeah, what was the name of the app to manage virtual machine? I forgot, haven't played with vm for a long time.
10:26<randallman>which v12n platform?
10:26<randallman>I'm using virt-manager under RHEL
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10:26<randallman>which is a front end for libvirtd
10:26<amitz>ah yeah, virt-manager. installing...
10:27<amitz>my memory seems jumbled. I remember playing with xen, but I also remember playing virt-manager at the same time...
10:27<randallman>libvirtd supports Xen
10:28<randallman>It basically stores arguments to qemu-kvm in XML format
10:28<randallman>Im sure it does similar things for the Xen interface
10:28<ioudas>anyone here successfully using openswan with win7?
10:28<amitz>ah... some of my knowledge haven't settled in yet. I thought it was weird to have a virtual machine manager in a domu guest (I hope I can the term right :-p)
10:28<randallman>openswan? Is that the usurper to free swan?
10:29<randallman>amitz, I know very little about Xen
10:29<randallman>besides its paravirt.
10:29<ioudas>yep fork of freeswan, the other one is strongswan
10:29<randallman>ioudas, you run that on your linode, or?
10:29<randallman>Last time I used *swan was in 2004
10:29<amitz>ioudas: should be netswan instead :-p
10:30<randallman>But all of the ipsec l2tp stuff is part of the kernel now, right?
10:30<ioudas>yeah with netkey package
10:31<randallman>So open s/wan support road warriors better than free used to? :P
10:31<randallman>I kinda thought most folks just switched to OpenVPN based on ssh
10:31<ioudas>yep openswan works fine even with my pda, but can't make it work with win7
10:32<ioudas>openvpn doesnt work on windows mobile
10:32<randallman>Any useful debugging on the client side?
10:32<randallman>ISAKMP PFS issues? :P
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10:32<ioudas>there is some alpha level port but it doesnt work on my htc diamond2
10:32<randallman>Ahh I see
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10:32<randallman>The whole PDA VPN thing... I used to use a iPaq...
10:33<randallman>and I couldnt get a solid VPN client for a cisco vpn 5000
10:33<ioudas>randallman, I bet you have better stuff to do than diging in my logs ;)
10:33<randallman>Probably :)
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10:34<ioudas>I also had ipaq in 2006 or so, but HP pda's suck nowaday mostly, imh
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10:34<randallman>Yeah I used to pair to my V710 moto with BlueTooth
10:34<randallman>and use it as a modem using NationalAccess from VZW
10:34<randallman>It was just a bunch of shit :0
10:34<randallman>I still have the iPaq for my garmin gps 10
10:35<randallman>but I might just ditch that since I have a BB Tour w/ VZW Navigator
10:35<randallman>But then again the Garmin is better...
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10:36<ioudas>most pda have integrated gps now AND they are 3 times smaller and lighter than 2 years ago, it's actually starting to be usefull
10:36<randallman>Yeah but I have a car mount
10:36<HoopyCat>urmom has a car mount
10:36<randallman>in my jeep and in my durango
10:36<randallman>and its modular...
10:36<randallman>Nice HC :)
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10:36<amitz>I mount urmom is the next obvious iteration.
10:36*randallman just left it right on out there...
10:37<HoopyCat>i'm pissed off and angry at the state of technology, and taking it out on your completely-unrelated discussion ;-)
10:37<randallman> Isok
10:37<ioudas>why is that HC?
10:37<randallman>What Ails you
10:38<randallman>fwiw, I'm listening to Kansas :) It's a nice peaceful day...
10:38<amitz>I note that I'm extremely talkative when I'm pissed..
10:38<amitz>not talkative as in flaming, just talkative looking for comfort I guess.
10:38<randallman>Im actually moving mail around
10:38<randallman>out of exchange and into my local dovecot :0
10:38<randallman>the exchange fuckers get all mad when my mailbox approaches 1GB
10:38<HoopyCat>eh, trying to work through a problem involving lengthy uploads to S3 from my home backup server failing; so far, my test case is working just fine, which leads me to believe it's either SSL or traffic shaping since i'm using neither on my test case
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10:40<adj>HoopyCat: duplicity?
10:41<HoopyCat>adj: nope, backuppc... writing a custom archive script that takes the tarCreate output, splits it, encrypts the chunks, then uploads them to S3
10:42<adj>hrm. i ran into problems with pythons ssl libs and the boto-s3 backend with large/slow file transfers
10:42<adj>dunno if thats related or not, and fwiw i never found a good fix ;)
10:42<HoopyCat>adj: mein gott, how'd you guess i'm doing this with boto-s3 and python :-)
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10:42<ioudas>no need to get all german...
10:42<Nivex>Varum nicht?
10:43<Nivex>Warum even
10:43<ioudas>just kidding i like german, but I don't speak it :(
10:43<adj>well, duplicity uses that, and i've historically used duplicity. but i failed miserably when using it to backup 8TB to s3
10:43<Nivex>¿Habla español?
10:43<HoopyCat>adj: given my past history with python's ssl libs, i'm definitely leaning towards ssl being the culprit;
10:44<adj>HoopyCat: its either ssl, or the way boto is using ssl.
10:46<HoopyCat>adj: i'm trying it now in the clear; given that i'm encrypting the payload, i might just leave it this way...
10:47<HoopyCat>ioudas: i usually know just enough of a given language to be able to express shock, surprise, or insult
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10:48<TheFirst>HoopyCat: translation: you know enough to break things but not enough to fix them? :P
10:48<HoopyCat>ioudas: mein gott, merde, en fuego/muy caliente, HCF 0xFFFF...
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10:50<RSully>any php gurus here?
10:51<HoopyCat>TheFirst: yes; 'tis why i have an attorney and a [1]diplomat[2] on speed-dial
10:51<HoopyCat>[1] insert qualifications here to indicate she's not actually a diplomat
10:51<HoopyCat>[2] see [1]
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10:51<HoopyCat>RSully: there's usually a few around... what's up?
10:52<RSully>c+p: "I have a MySQL object I'm using with my queries for my custom session handling, and since PHP calls to the session write function after output is finished, my object gets destructed and I get errors, how could I fix this?"
10:53<RSully>Need some code? eh
10:54<HoopyCat>!crickets ... well, so much for "usually a few around" ;-)
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10:54<RSully>HoopyCat: Maybe you could help?
10:55<RSully>The error is at the bottom of the page
10:55<RSully>And eh, if you notice, I'm actually getting the error on that page
10:55<HoopyCat>RSully: well, i'm not up on my php, but i find that weird problems happen in every language. *takes a look*
10:56<HoopyCat>wow, trippy
10:58<RSully>Its almost like I need to retain the object, which isn't possible to my knowledge in PHP
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11:00<HoopyCat>RSully: <--- looks like you're not alone
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11:00<RSully>there too
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11:03<HoopyCat>RSully: the comment of has a slightly different way to handle the database stuff in the write, etc... miiiight do something better
11:04<RSully>Thats dirty though
11:04<RSully>I fixed it by calling the save function in my inc footer
11:05<HoopyCat>RSully: sometimes you kiss the frog and you get a prince; sometimes, you get a frog
11:05<HoopyCat><--- getting a big pile of frogs
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11:06<TheFirst>HoopyCat: at least you can cook them up and have dinner
11:07<HoopyCat>TheFirst's glass is half-full for sure
11:08<TheFirst>what the hell? i thought i drank that!
11:08*TheFirst empties glass
11:08<TheFirst>bar maid! bring me more ale!
11:09<TheFirst>and some plump succulent babies to eat!
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11:17<HoopyCat>adj: so far, not using SSL == more better. one batch upped, 14 to go
11:17<adj>HoopyCat: nice
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11:18*Karrde steals HoopyCat's bits
11:19<HoopyCat>Dec 28 11:17:39 hennepin BackupPC_archiveHost_s3: DEBUG: 0 of 72023888 bytes transmitted (0.00%)
11:19<HoopyCat>woo hoo, those compression ratios sure do vary by block
11:20<TheFirst>"more better"?
11:20<HoopyCat>TheFirst: less worse
11:20*TheFirst groans
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11:22<HoopyCat>my task is receiving additional enbetterment
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11:28<amitzz>yeah! <3 e63
11:28<amitzz>yeah! <3 e63
11:28<amitzz>yeah! <3 e63
11:28<amitzz>yeah! <3 e63
11:28<amitzz>yeah! <3 e63
11:28-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*] by FloodServ
11:29<amitz>thank you
11:29-!-mode/#linode [-q *!*] by jed
11:29<amitzz>yeah! <3 e63
11:29<amitzz>yeah! <3 e63
11:30-!-mode/#linode [+b amitzz!*@*] by jed
11:30<@jed>amitzz: ?
11:30<@jed>amitz: ?
11:30<amitz>kick amitzz
11:30<amitz>it's web browser gone awry
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11:31<amitz>it's ironic that the message was sent using e63...
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11:39<ASnyder>Hey guys, in my DNS manager one of my domains has a status of "HAS ERRORS", however, I don't see an indicator anywhere of what is causing an error.
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11:39<@jed>ASnyder: domain, por favor?
11:41<@jed>ASnyder: let it regen, checkzone is OK on it
11:41<@jed>that will likely go away once it recheckzonereates
11:41<ASnyder>jed: I see, ok.
11:41<@jed>I'll watch for it
11:41<ASnyder>jed: thanks
11:42<ASnyder>jed: just turned off the slice this was being hosted on
11:42<ASnyder>now cancelling that slicehost
11:42<ASnyder>transfer is finally complete :)
11:42<ASnyder>I wish there was a nice tool to easily transfer images
11:42<ASnyder>cloudkick doesn't do linode yet.
11:43<@jed>we're working with them
11:43<ASnyder>jed: no worries though, I got a canonical disk image here that I can easily use for my next few slice conversions
11:45<amitz>jed: oh yeah, thanks and sorry :-
11:45<@jed>np :)
11:46<@jed>ASnyder: good to go
11:46<amitz>didn't respond as fast as expected because I'm still getting the hang of that e63 thingie.
11:46<@jed>regen at 45:39 cleared 'HAS ERRORS'
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12:02<randallman>anyone know LFTP real good
12:02<randallman>we're downloading files from afilias (.info) registry
12:03<randallman>and I need to set SO_RCVBUF...
12:03<randallman>the damned tcp window is scaling to 750k and then getting all conjangulated.
12:03<randallman>So there's a setting net:socket-buffer to set, but I am trying to do this from a script
12:03<randallman>so I need to pass arguments in -c
12:03<randallman>but I dont know how to pass multiple commands in the -c argument
12:05<randallman>Tried that... strange
12:05<randallman>it's telling me that 'set net:socket-buffer 16384' is not a valid cmd
12:05<adj>hehe. i don't really know. does it parse multiple -c's ?
12:05<randallman>from the -c, but from the interactive, it works...
12:09<randallman>found it
12:09<randallman>lftp -c 'set net:socket-buffer 16384; open ftp://XXXX:XXXX@XXXX; cd /zonefile; get'
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12:58<randallman>Damn bastards :) Network guys implemented an IPS that is blocking me from downloading MP3's from the old :0
12:58<randallman>Basically, we're blocking any and all mp3 downloads via http
13:01<maushu>You mean... you are trying illegally download music. :o
13:01<randallman>Well how are you sure it's illegal?
13:01<randallman>Perhaps I am downloading content that the authors are not concerned about :)
13:03<randallman>What I tend to use it for is to obtain music that is not available via any other reasonable means
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13:06<randallman>Perfect Example, I dare you to find 'Badlands' (the self titled album with Jake E. Lee in the band) in print anywhere :)
13:06<randallman> Badlands by Badlands (Audio CD - May 11, 1989)
13:06<randallman>2 new from $99.98
13:06<randallman>12 used from $49.99
13:06<randallman>This item has been discontinued by the manufacturer
13:07<randallman>No *way* I'm paying $50.00 for one NORMAL album
13:07<randallman>when I can pay $2.00 for it from :)
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13:08<Cenazoic>hello. what happens to account credits when i cancel my account?
13:10<mwalling>you need to ask for a refund
13:11<HoopyCat>Cenazoic: i believe they remain on the account, should you create new linodes in the future; you can also ask for a refund to the credit card on file
13:12<Cenazoic>do i ask for a refund through a support ticket?
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13:14<Cenazoic>thanks, y'all
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13:15<HoopyCat>np :-)
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13:33<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS36752; ASN owner: Yahoo; ASN reg: 2006-04-06; City: Sunnyvale; State: California; Postal code: 94089; Country: US; Latitude: 37.4249; Longitude: -122.007; UTC offset: -8; Area code: 408; Domains: 7788;
13:34<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS36752; ASN owner: Yahoo; ASN reg: 2006-04-06; City: Sunnyvale; State: California; Postal code: 94089; Country: US; Latitude: 37.4249; Longitude: -122.007; UTC offset: -8; Area code: 408; Domains: 7788;
13:40<SelfishMan>Dear yahoo: screw you and your unethical attempt at phishing on your phishing reporting form
13:40<randallman>Twayne, omg..
13:40<randallman>Dude was ON FIRE...
13:41<adj>yeah, thats what 13.8 will do to ya
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13:44<adj>oh, sorry, it looks like most indian trains are converted (or being converted) to 25kV
13:45<adj>so, yeah. thats what it looks like when all the h2o in the human body is turned into water vapor near instantly
13:46<mwalling>its not the volts that kill you
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13:47<randallman>total combined wattage?
13:47<randallman>or is it strictly the amperage?
13:47<SelfishMan>strictly amps
13:48<randallman>Right but how many amps is a short circuit like that going to draw?
13:48<SelfishMan>1/10th of an amp is all it takes to make sure your heart neverfunctions properly again
13:48<randallman>What's his impedance :)
13:48<@jed>good grief
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13:48<randallman>btw that video just circulited my team :-)
13:48<randallman>err circulated :)
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13:51<randallman>Heh someone jsut asked me 'What, no decapitation videos to share'
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13:55<echamussy>Hi, anyone knows why linode would ask me for a scanned copy of my credit card and driver's licences?
13:56<Pryon>echamussy: they want tom minimize the chance that you're committing fraud
13:56<@jed>echamussy: we're verifying the credit card transaction
13:57<jforman>echamussy: jed wants some christmas presents, and he needs the security code
13:57<avar>Perhaps operating linux servers is similar to operating motorvehicles?:)
13:57<HoopyCat>i'll skip that video
13:57<randallman>HC, reasonable call I suppose
13:58<Pryon>hits a little close to home
13:58<randallman>if yuo dont wanna watch some dude die immediately and catch fire
13:58<randallman>Though he deserves a darwin award for that...
13:58<Peng>What did he do?
13:58<randallman>Grabbed the high voltage line while walking on top of a train
13:58<echamussy>mmm, I understand but it does not make me feel very secure to scan my credit card and my drivers license and send it over fax
13:59<randallman>clearly with no means to prevent ground
13:59<avar>literal: Did you have to scan your credit card/drivers license?
13:59<@jed>echamussy: what username did you use to sign up?
13:59<echamussy>my username is echamussy
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14:00<TLKit>echamussy: It's a pretty standard procedure for net transactions, if Linode want to see that documentation and ask you to fax it over, I'm sure they will verify it and then discard the information you sent, I'm pretty sure you can trust them too.
14:00<@jed>echamussy: your account is active; disregard the card/license e-mail
14:00<@jed>the system automatically kicks that out if you don't get automatically activated, but you got activated manually after the fact (and should have gotten an e-mail to that end)
14:00<@jed>you're good to go
14:01<echamussy>awesome ! thanks a lot jed... I'm excited to start setting up my linode :)
14:01<@jed>you bet :)
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14:03<HoopyCat>randallman: i do hope to not see it ever, 'tho given my wife and i both deal with electricity.... that said, we don't deal with the tops of trains :-)
14:04<randallman>Hardest I've ever been hit is by a non-discharged computer power supply
14:04<randallman>and that sucked :0
14:04<randallman>I also took a 110 when I was younger.
14:04<adj>HoopyCat: its no worse than the stories you hear older electricians talk about
14:05<randallman>I tried to plug my 12V tyco racecar track directly into the 110 without the transformer
14:05<randallman>using my mom's blender cord...
14:05<HoopyCat>haven't been hit too hard yet. static is a little much for me :-)
14:05<HoopyCat>adj: "older" is approx "my age" for the ones i hear
14:05<adj>120 is annoying, 240 fucking HURTS bad
14:05<randallman>never took a 240
14:05<adj>you don't hear many stories of people making it back from 480
14:06<@caker>volts isn't the problem
14:06<randallman>no but it seems to have *some* effect ;)
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14:06<maushu> seems I have some truly evil people in my family. Who the heck gives a puzzle to a OCD as a xmas gift?
14:07<HoopyCat>voltage does help it overcome our various insulations, however :-)
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14:07<randallman>I mean you can take a 9volt battery and stick your tongue to both contacts :)
14:07<randallman>No idea how many mA a 9V battery can discharge?
14:07<HoopyCat>randallman: i don't even do that, haha
14:08<randallman>I tried that on a 56k 2 pair DDS :)
14:08<@jed>I've been hit with 480, burned my hand
14:08<randallman>DO NOT try that :)
14:08<randallman>nor an ISDN line :)
14:08<randallman>that's 48V (96 on ring?)
14:08<@jed>I think getting shocked is kind of fun
14:08<randallman>I guess 'ring' is mostly irrelevant on digital circuits :)
14:09<randallman>But either way, it's more than a 9V battery :)
14:09<Peng>jed: I prefer safer fun, like watching TV or reading comics.
14:09<maushu>jed, that explains so much.
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14:11<HoopyCat>randallman: it'd be a function of its internal resistance, which can be spec'd or measured, but
14:12<randallman>Jed, haha
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14:13<randallman>HoopyCat, oops - Dont stab yourself with the test leads...
14:14<randallman>and that was a 9V battery to the heart?
14:14<Pryon>I think that was red hot wires on the skin
14:14<HoopyCat>assuming an ideal 9V battery and meter, and 100 ohms of soggy meat resistor, that's ~90mA
14:15<randallman>that about right? 100ohms for blood from one side of the body to the other? P
14:15<maushu>jed, what the heck was that guy trying to do? Simulate a gun shot?
14:17<Ghan_04>What is Linode's policy regarding DDoS attacks?
14:17<@jed>I guess
14:17<Karrde>Ghan_04: don't get them
14:17<@jed>Ghan_04: why do you ask?
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14:18<HoopyCat>randallman: i dunno. i'd measure it, but, uh, as you can see...
14:18<Ghan_04>Well, our account just got terminated over on Slichost because we got attacked twice. I was wondering if Linode might work with us more in the event this continues.
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14:19<@jed>Ghan_04: why do you keep getting attacked?
14:19<Ghan_04>There were things we could have done, but they just up and cancelled our service... needless to say I'm rather displeased.
14:19<HoopyCat>randallman: next time i'm cooking a roast, i'll grab the DMM, do some measurements, and extrapolate to larger meats
14:19<@caker>Ghan_04: in general, it's a three-strikes rule, but there may always be other circumstances
14:19<randallman>HC :)
14:19<Ghan_04>Apparently because the staff on a hosted site banned someone.
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14:19<Ghan_04>We know the attack came from the Netherlands.
14:20<Ghan_04>Not sure if that helps, but there it is.
14:20<@caker>Ghan_04: also, unless it's totally obvious that someone is intentionally abusing resources, we won't just "cut you off" -- instead, we'll give you a chance to collect your things first :)
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14:20<Ghan_04>Yes, Slice did give us time to move our data, but still. They gave us no warning whatsoever. That's what really gets me.
14:20<@jed>Ghan_04: any idea how big it was?
14:20<HoopyCat>Ghan_04: also, note that DDoS mitigation consists of "drop all traffic to the target IP address for ~24 hours"
14:21<Ghan_04>They nullrouted the IP.
14:21<Ghan_04>I think you do the same.
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14:21<laser`>I think most hosts do that tbh
14:21<Ghan_04>The attack was big enough to bring down part of their Dallas datacenter's network.
14:21<Peng>Wait, that was you?
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14:21<@jed>Peng: we're not in the same facility, unrelated
14:21*HoopyCat grabs some popcorn
14:21<@caker>jed: he knows :)
14:22<Ghan_04>That was us.
14:22<Ghan_04>Or rather, whoever was attacking us.
14:22<@jed>caker: you sure? :)
14:22<Ghan_04>I'm just rather frustrated at the moment.
14:22<Peng>jed: Nobody calls Linode's Dallas DC "DFW".
14:22<Ghan_04>At least we hadn't yet cancelled our old server, but that result is that we got shafted for $220 since we could finish moving to the VPS.
14:22*jed hugs Peng
14:23<Eman>HoopyCat: i actually have popcorn :D
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14:23<Ghan_04>could NOT finish*
14:23<Ghan_04>Due to the cancellation.
14:23<Eman>at least they're letting you have your data
14:23<Eman>lots of places dont
14:23<Ghan_04>That is about the only good point about this.
14:23<HoopyCat>2009-12-28 14:16:45 Archive failed (<Error><Code>RequestTimeTooSkewed</Code><Message>The difference between the request time and the current time is too large.</Message><MaxAllowedSkewMilliseconds>900000</MaxAllowedSkewMilliseconds><RequestId>603E93097AC91080</RequestId><HostId>l7n8QRtg51W00Fa+FFqhLgBLlCPcREszu7O5z9eDQhy6RXe5l010CxVu5coFakoE</HostId><RequestTime>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:37:38 ...
14:23<HoopyCat>... GMT</RequestTime><ServerTime>2009-12-28T18:55:34Z</ServerTime></Error>)
14:24*HoopyCat beats head on desk
14:24<randallman>why would an ISP confiscate data...
14:24<randallman>Just because of a DDoS
14:24<Ghan_04>In any case, I am giving serious consideration to Linode, assuming I can convince the owner to move here.
14:24<Ghan_04>He seems very distrusting at this point - thinks that hosters should be able to do more than nullroute the IP and that if they can't, they don't have enough network infrastructure.
14:24<@jed>Ghan_04: we'll work with you, but I'd hope you don't make a pattern out of it, that's all -- whatever measures you can take to make sure the 12-year-olds of the Internet don't slap you with a gigabit would be most welcome :)
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14:25<Ghan_04>I understand.
14:25<HoopyCat>Ghan_04: well, since you've cancelled the targetted customer, you should have a lower profile...
14:25<Ghan_04>Believe me. I know where you stand here.
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14:25<Ghan_04>I just would like someone to work with us more.
14:25<@jed>you've come to the right place
14:25<Ghan_04>I specifically asked them after the first attack if we might get cancelled because of attacks.
14:25<Eman>Ghan_04: linode worked with me when i was hit
14:25<Ghan_04>The answer was vague at best.
14:26<Peng>Ghan_04: If you want full DDoS protection, it'll cost you.
14:26<randallman>Does anyone else feel like a gimp.... Internet Terrorism... There's really no reasonable defense...
14:26<Ghan_04>Then some time after the second attack - BAM.
14:26<HoopyCat>Ghan_04: and yeah, active DDoS mitigation systems exist and work fairly well, but they are hella expensive at the bandwidths involved
14:26<randallman>like Peng said, real DDoS prevention costs a ton...
14:26<mwalling>Ghan_04: look up awesome in the dictionary. it should say "see also: Linode"
14:26<randallman>UltraDNS just got hammered the other day
14:26<randallman>they had it taken care of in 45 minutes
14:26<randallman>but they have some anycast to help :)
14:26<Ghan_04>Yeah, I know that stuff is really expensive.
14:27<Peng>I'm sure Google and the root DNS servers are getting DDoSed constantly.
14:27<randallman>DNS is particularly a tough DDoS to prevent... Normal DNS traffic looks a lot like a DDoS
14:27<@jed>Peng: at that level, DDoS == normal traffic
14:27<Ghan_04>They're just big enough to handle it. :P
14:27<Peng>Few companies have the resources to handle *everything*. See the old Blue Frog DoS.
14:27<mwalling>Peng: how would they know the difference?
14:27<Peng>jed: Good point.
14:27<@jed>they could get slapped with a gigabit and not notice
14:27<randallman>if someone DDoS'd my 1st tier DNS soltuion - it'd be bad :)
14:27<Ghan_04>Anyway, what you have said is reassuring.
14:28<Ghan_04>We may just drop hosting the site that got attacked and have them find their own host.
14:28<Ghan_04>That is an option in any case.
14:28<@jed>if we'd thought ahead in the '80s we might have more resource against DoSen today
14:28<Ghan_04>Problem is, Slice didn't give us an opportunity to use that option.
14:28<HoopyCat>Ghan_04: that's probably not a bad idea, under the "more trouble than it's worth" subclause in their contract ;-)
14:28<@jed>cough cough BGP
14:28<randallman>Jed, I run DNS on anycast....
14:28<randallman>Jed, if someone DDoS'd me, I'd get flap dampened...
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14:29<@jed>routing could do more against DDoSen, but don't get me started on that :)
14:29<randallman>as the DDoS rippled from site to site, and BGP flapped due to loss of peer relationship
14:29<@jed>the structure of routing is sort of to blame for letting it happen, withdrawing routes based on source should be easier
14:29<WoodWork>What about scripts like such?
14:29<Nivex>routing could stand to be better all around. I love going up and down the eastern seaboard to hit a machine 3 miles away.
14:30<HoopyCat>jed: there are tricks that can be pulled, but it's the distributed part that's the problem
14:30<mwalling>Nivex: ask HoopyCat how he gets to newark from rochester
14:30<randallman>Jed, how could you coordinate yanking a route?
14:30<Nivex>mwalling: by way of Canada if I remember the exclamation
14:30<mikegrb>Nivex: that's bussiness relationshipts to blame, not the routing protocols
14:30<Nivex>mikegrb: indeed!
14:31<mwalling>oh noes, caker fired mikegrb
14:31<HoopyCat>upon further review, i believe the canadian hop to be a false, by speed of light rule
14:31<Eman>Nivex: blame canada >:(
14:31<HoopyCat>still tho, chicago
14:32<@jed>randallman: acknowledgment of the issue, not a proposal to fix it :)
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14:34<avar>Wow The London linode DNS servers are slow compared to bt: http://æ http://æ
14:36<@jed>avar: linode resolvers only allow queries from linodes
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14:36<avar>jed: I'm aware
14:37<HoopyCat>also, the things BT's nameservers have cached may differ from the things linode's nameservers have cached
14:37<SelfishMan>there is a site for that
14:37<HoopyCat>there's a crap for that
14:37<@jed>BT is used more, and since you used alexa top 10000, I could foresee BT having every single one cached
14:37<SelfishMan>What the hell is it called? Something like I think
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14:38<SelfishMan>I seem to remember it letting you check a massive amount of DNS servers to see what they have cached
14:38<avar>I'm using google's namebench tool
14:38<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: taking my suggestion re: advertising, eh?
14:38<@jed>which used the alexa top 10,000 domains, if I'm reading data_file correctly at the bottom :)
14:39<@jed>did you run it more than oncE?
14:39<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: I have no idea what you are talking about
14:39<SelfishMan>someone told me about that site a while bakc
14:39<SelfishMan>it might have been you
14:39*avar gone
14:40<HoopyCat>afk, blowing up the telephone company
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14:40<Peng>HoopyCat: Which one?
14:41<Nivex>urmom bell
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14:44<Eman>HoopyCat must have the shits from taco bell
14:45<nachtkriecher>how complicated is an irc server
14:46<adj>not complicated
14:46<TheFirst>nachtkriecher: compared to?
14:46<@caker>about as long as a piece of string is
14:46<Karrde>TheFirst: rocket surgery
14:46<@pparadis>f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng
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14:46<Karrde>or texting
14:46<TheFirst>pparadis: guess that explains the hell I'm stuck in?
14:46<nachtkriecher>how hard would it be to write one?
14:47<axod>an irc server is slightly more complex than twitter
14:47<Karrde>a GOOD one? v. hard
14:47<axod>since twitter is 140 chars only
14:47<adj>why would you write one??
14:47<WoodWork>axod: Over capacity all the time? xD
14:47<nachtkriecher>so i could be familiar with it
14:47<adj>is reading docs and source not enough?
14:47<nachtkriecher>i dunno
14:48<nachtkriecher>not usually
14:48<axod>nachtkriecher: write one then :)
14:48<KingTarquin>nachtkriecher, Download the source of an existing IRCd and learn how it works...
14:48<axod>it's not brain surgery
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14:48<TheFirst>nachtkriecher: well first read the specs...when you can recite and understand those then consider writing one ... or realize how much of a pain in the ass it is and work with what's already out there
14:48<nachtkriecher>i suppose getting through someone's source code is easier than learning the protocol
14:49<Karrde>read RFC 2812 :D
14:49<axod>depends which source it is :/
14:49<nachtkriecher>oh yeah i remeber the reason
14:49<Dean>Hey all, I just served my first page (to myself) with linode. To be fully stoked I need to enable .htaccess files. I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 and apache2. Does anyone have a link for me? I looked through the linode library and couldn't find anything that was particularly relevant to implementing .htaccess files. I've searched through some other forums, too, and can't find something that's specifically relevant.
14:49<Karrde>.htaccess should be enabled by default
14:49<@pparadis>!library htaccess
14:49<Karrde>you looking for how to write them?
14:49<KingTarquin>Karrde, Not many IRCd's actually comply 100% with the RFC, because it's so outdated, and none of it makes sense. Like sending PASS before USER/NICK.
14:49<linbot>pparadis: 1. Install the Apache 2 Web Server on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) ( - 2. Install the Apache 2 Web Server on Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) ( - 3. Install the Apache 2 Web Server on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy) (
14:50<straterra>Dean: look at the apache documemtatopm
14:50<straterra>A linode isn't any different than any other software in regard to the software running on it
14:50<Dean>I just uploaded a previously working (on a different server) .htaccess file.
14:50<nachtkriecher>ach... connection trouble
14:50<nachtkriecher>i was considering just making my own chat protocol
14:50<Karrde>PRIVMSG #linode :\x00
14:51<Karrde>don't reinvent the wheel, just use jabber
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14:51<axod>only reinvent the wheel if you have some shit hot wheel ideas
14:51<nachtkriecher>we have a chatroom now
14:51<Dean>pparadis - looked at that page and wasn't able to find anything except a single vague sentence about it.
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14:51<Dean>whoops - didn't see the second link
14:51<Dean>thank you.
14:51<nachtkriecher>but some people have really laggy intarwebz
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14:52<Karrde>IRC is asyncronous
14:52<Eman>hahaha shitty mirc
14:52<nachtkriecher>when i hit enter what does IRC send?
14:52<Eman>it crashed when i tried to scroll
14:52<axod>nachtkriecher: install tcpdump/wireshark/etc :)
14:53<nachtkriecher>i have wireshark installed
14:53<axod>irc is a pretty sane tuned general chat protocol,
14:53<Eman>afaik, its-> privmsg #channel :message
14:53<axod>it's the various modes etc that get hairy
14:53<Dean>straterra: now following your advice ;)
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14:54<nachtkriecher>my experience is that irc is laggy too sometimes, but duh, that's because im sshing to my linode and running irssi on there
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14:54<adj>its probably because your home connection sucks ass
14:54<Eman>most of the lag on big networks is from server-server lag
14:54<WoodWork>I'm running irssi, but that's no lag.. only got 25ms ping from my home computer to my Linode.
14:54<Dean>pparadis - that's the "single vague sentence" page I mentioned... it says "insert the following lines into the appropriate <Directory> section of an Apache configuration file." I need more hand holding :)
14:54<Eman>end to end on efnet can go 10-20 seconds of lag
14:54<nachtkriecher>ive designed a chatroom that sends nothing but the message
14:55<SelfishMan>Eman: that's efnet though
14:55<axod>nachtkriecher: irc isn't laggy because of protocol verbosity
14:55<nachtkriecher>i know
14:55<axod>it's laggy if it's a massive network with tons of hubs etc etc
14:55<WoodWork>nachtkriecher: Yeah, through using a browser?
14:55<nachtkriecher>no, through ssh
14:55<nachtkriecher>to irssi
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14:55<nachtkriecher>which leads me to ask...
14:55<Eman>SelfishMan: it was an example
14:56<@pparadis>Dean: you would put the relevant information into the Directory section of a virtual host file.
14:56<SelfishMan>axod: a massive network with tons of hubs doesn't need to be slow. It is slow because of a poor design.
14:56<@pparadis>Dean: it may help to review the LAMP guide for your distro as well.
14:56<nachtkriecher>well theres no way you guys could explain it here
14:56<YayMee>Hello, if you do a netstat or run iftop, what software is that that is used to track server performance?
14:56<nachtkriecher>how ssh works
14:56<nachtkriecher>thats my own reading time
14:56<axod>SelfishMan: sure, but some of the excessive irc networks with 100+ servers.... you have to wonder how efficient that can be
14:57<axod>and if it's really necessary
14:57<Dean>pparadis: check. I'm gonna keep looking around.
14:57<axod>but yeah... poor design probably usually it
14:57<WoodWork>nachtkriecher: This may help ..
14:57<axod>nachtkriecher: why do you need to know though? I mean it's interesting, but don't go reinventing wheels ;)
14:57<nachtkriecher>i know i know
14:58<@pparadis>YayMee: i think you might be interested in either munin or cacti for server monitoring
14:58<SelfishMan>axod: teh interwebs are composed of a massive number of "hubs" and there is a lot less lag. If the system communicates efficiently then it will scale well.
14:58<nachtkriecher>i think i have a fetish for reinventing wheels though
14:58<SelfishMan>Freenode is a perfect example of crappy software design with zero scalability
14:58<YayMee>it also monitors mysql right?
14:58<SelfishMan>The fact that Freenode still functions on a daily basis surprises me greatly
14:58<nachtkriecher>i was just wondering why ssh would be laggy
14:59<axod>SelfishMan: hasn't been that hot lately afaik. much netsplits
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14:59<@pparadis>nachtkriecher: the answer may lie in an mtr to and from your linode
14:59<randallman>Why do the J2EE developers on our team seem to think its OK to include 2 different versions of the same class in the same app? And furthermore, why do they come crying when classloader behaves differently on two different systems with two different workloads?
14:59<adj>YayMee: monitors anything you can pull numbers from
14:59<SelfishMan>axod: Exactly. Freenode is pretty much the bubble gum and used duct tape version of an IRC network
15:00*randallman remembers Lilo
15:00<YayMee>Nice. I just tried nagios, hard to setup.
15:00<@jed>IRC is slow because of shared state
15:00<Eman>i remember lilo
15:00<nachtkriecher>pparadis: hmm... could be but i doubt it
15:00<Eman>and i remember the day he died
15:00<adj>YayMee: nagios doesnt track performace
15:00<randallman>freenode was started originally by the #linpeople guys from EFnet..
15:00<randallman>EMan, Lilo Died?
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15:00<Eman>was a good day
15:00<axod>shame people still think freenode is the default 'tech' network :/
15:00<@jed>randallman: years ago
15:00<@pparadis>nachtkriecher: also what jed said up there ^
15:00<adj>YayMee: nagios monitors state changes
15:00<randallman>I had no idea
15:00<Eman>lilo got hit by a ford taurus
15:00<Eman>while riding a pink bike
15:00<mwalling>axod: you mean IRC != freenode?
15:00<randallman>wait... what? :P
15:01<@jed>IRC is slow as hell because every join, part, quit, etc must be broadcast to all servers
15:01<@jed>shared state is the bottleneck, as networks scale
15:01<@pparadis>or don't
15:01<YayMee>adj pparadis: So do I use both Munin and Cacti, or just either one of them is good?
15:01<axod>jed: these days though you could run freenode on a single server
15:01<nachtkriecher>i live about 2 hours away from my linode
15:01<Eman>how many users does freenode have now?
15:01<randallman>Yeah this aint your father's Sun 3 :P
15:01<mwalling>Eman: 2
15:01<sandinp>I grew up on freenode, you all be nice
15:01<axod>jed: although maybe that wouldn't be a good idea with dos, failover, etc
15:01<@pparadis>YayMee: i'd advise trying each and picking one
15:01<@jed>axod: what I was typing :)
15:02<WoodWork>nachtkriecher: Driving / walking?
15:02<@jed>you run into fd limits, too
15:02<SelfishMan>jed: yep. but there are efficient ways of pushing that data (deltas vs. full replication)
15:02<randallman>Yes back in the day, the 8 bit FD...
15:02<axod>jed: still, if you had a single server with tons of IPs from diff ISPs, etc
15:02<@jed>even with epoll you're going to run out of concurrent fd's
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15:02<nachtkriecher>as the eagle flies
15:03<@jed>freenode on a single server...maybe. efnet and pals, I doubt it
15:03<axod>yeah prolly
15:03<SelfishMan>I've never seen an eagle fly therefore I do not believe they can
15:03<Eman>many irc networks use ssl + compression between servers too
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15:03<@jed>Eman: SSL makes it worse
15:03<axod>50k connections on the same box I've done before, not much higher
15:03<axod>(not irc, something else)
15:03<nachtkriecher>lost the connection
15:03<@jed>yeah, it's getting into dangerous territory up there
15:03<WoodWork>I used to go on .. anyone else?
15:03<@jed>you can make the kernel do it, but it won't like it
15:03<randallman>Heh I broke a nat overload (PAT) on our firewall with test traffic...
15:03<WoodWork>I think that was the worst network for hackers etc...
15:03<randallman>so I guess that'd be ~65k connections
15:04<randallman>Anyone remember LinuxNet?
15:04<randallman>Karl Asha?
15:04<SelfishMan>randallman: that is relatively easy to do
15:04<axod>firewalls are a PITA if you're doing anything fun lol
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15:04<SelfishMan>I mean, realistically you can do it with `ab -n 1000000 -c 100`
15:04<Dean>pparadis: it would seem I DID need to review the LAMP documentation - and read the frickin' error logs ;) RewriteEngine was defined by a module not included in the server configuration...
15:04<@jed>SelfishMan: CLOSE_WAIT was to blame there I suspect
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15:05<SelfishMan>jed: I have no doubt about that
15:05<SelfishMan>That's why I declared that testing from a home DSL connection was bound to fail
15:05<randallman>Jed, yikes man...
15:05<randallman>I had no idea
15:06<randallman>That's a shitty way to go I suppose
15:06<randallman>I'd rather be terminally electrocuted while on top of a train :0
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15:06<Battousai>a flashy way to go indeed
15:07<axod>you know a sad thought
15:08<axod>I hate xmas, because it ruins my graphs
15:08<axod>damn them all not using the net as much bah
15:08<randallman>Jed, I had no idea how much Ill Will was surounding the openprojects thing... No idea that Lilo was pocketing donations et.c..
15:08<randallman>Sure I bet only half of this stuff is true
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15:08<randallman>Que Sera Sera
15:08<axod>I thought he was paid staff member
15:09<randallman>Anyone know any of the original linpeople folks? enOne? LinuxGold?
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15:14<Dean>For the record, my .htaccess issue turned out to be that mod_rewrite isn't enabled by default a2enmod rewrite was all I needed :)
15:15<hed>what is the best way to monitor bandwidth? for exampe... to know if certain ip is consuming huge bandwidth comparing to normal operation...
15:17<axod>/proc/net/ip_conntrack is handy
15:18<axod>cat ip_conntrack | awk '{print $5}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n
15:18<WoodWork>Glad you got it sorted, Dean. :)
15:18<axod>for instance
15:18<Nivex>netstat-nat is a nice tool to have for parsing that into someting readable
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15:20<ASnyder>OK, I did it. I just deleted my slice from the slicehost control panel. The switch from slicehost to linode is now officially complete (for one server anyway)
15:20<@caker>ASnyder: how's it feel?
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15:21<ASnyder>caker: it feels good. The server feels more responsive, even though it's on the 1st tier, and I had the 512 for the slicehost.
15:21<ASnyder>which is interesting. A 360 linode is more than good enough to replace a 512 slicehost
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15:23<Battousai>hosts with bigger beefcakes perhaps
15:23<ASnyder>caker: the only question becomes is when I move over my 1GB slicehost, do I pick the 720 or 1080
15:24<adj>ASnyder: i'd go with the 720... upgrades are easy
15:24<mwalling>slice's are 64bit only, linode has both
15:24<randallman>wow, I just got sucked into an IRC History Hole
15:24<randallman>on wikipedia
15:24<randallman>and other places :)
15:24<mwalling>i'd pull the plug out of my ... and say that you'll get by with the 720
15:24<WoodWork>I'd go for a 720.
15:25<randallman>I'm using a 720 for personal e-mail only :)
15:25<randallman>How's that for a total waste? :P
15:25<ASnyder>I'm also thinking about blogging about the experience. As a long time slicehost customer, I was there in the very beginning. I can talk about the motivation, and other reasons.
15:25<WoodWork>randallman is a popular guy. xD
15:25<@caker>ASnyder: that would be great
15:25<randallman>WoodWork, eh? :P Popular because of my perpensity to be a non-used Linode 720? :P
15:25<mwalling>twitterers! to your retweets!
15:26<WoodWork>Hah. ;]
15:26<ASnyder>I'll let you guys know when it's posted
15:26<ASnyder>probably after new year
15:27<WoodWork>mwalling: You now have one more follower.. on twitter
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15:30<WoodWork>I've def. seen the failwhale on twitter fair often lately than after before.
15:30<WoodWork>*after should be ever btw.
15:30<randallman>after before!
15:30<randallman>e.g. now :)
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15:34<WoodWork>Black ice outside, woah.
15:34<randallman>Yeah we had to deal with that crap last monday/tuesday
15:34<WoodWork>Was going to have a kick about.. amd nearly fell over
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15:35<WoodWork>Get any snow this year?
15:35<randallman>20" so far
15:35<randallman>which all was in 1 storm :)
15:35<randallman>out of character for Delaware
15:35<WoodWork>Caused major accidents, and delays here.
15:35<randallman>I think Linode got hit worse :)
15:35<randallman>in S. Jersey
15:35<WoodWork>We got a max of 10cm here. ;]
15:36<WoodWork>The UK isn't used to it I suppose.
15:36<randallman>yall almost never get snow, no?
15:36<WoodWork>I watched Jed's cam, it was bad.
15:36<WoodWork>Not really.
15:36<WoodWork>Last year we got a little, but nothing really.
15:36<randallman>how does the ocean current work there?
15:37<randallman>it comes up along the east cost of the US from the tropics
15:37<WoodWork>No idea. I thought the snow came from Russia.. I'll find out
15:37*axod got stuck in his sloping driveway :/
15:37<randallman>I tried to redneck myself out of my driveway on Sunday.
15:37<randallman>last sunday.
15:37<WoodWork>axod: When?
15:38<randallman>and I live on a major road... or else I could have...
15:38<randallman>I had to try to edge my way though a 3.5ft drift/plow bank...
15:38<randallman>in my durango :(
15:38<randallman>my jeep was pinned in by the durango, so
15:38<axod>WoodWork: Thursday b4 xmas
15:38<axod>(I'm in SE england)
15:38<axod>England even :o
15:38<WoodWork>Jeep, eh? Some people think they can beat the snow / ice in them, but they just slide along like any other.
15:39<randallman>My jeep is different
15:39<WoodWork>Oh yeah?
15:40<WoodWork>Yeah.. the snow came from Russia ..
15:40<randallman>^^ WoodWork
15:40<randallman>That jeep doesnt get stuck in snow :)
15:40<randallman>Now, I wouldnt go 50mph in the snow either
15:41<WoodWork>Build it yourself?
15:41<randallman>I bought it new in 1998
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15:41<randallman>and it got crazy from there :)
15:41<randallman>About the only thing besides the motor and body that are stock is the front axle
15:41<randallman>and even that has upgraded differential, gears, and 1310 chromoly axles
15:41<WoodWork>In the UK, motors built customly need a special number plate, does the same apply in the US?
15:42<randallman>Are you referring to bottom up custom?
15:42<randallman>This was always a jeep
15:42<randallman>has a VIN #'s
15:42<randallman>if I were to build a frame from DOM tubing..
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15:42<randallman>and put a fiberglass body on it
15:42<randallman>I'd have to apply for a VIN
15:43<randallman>But if I did that, it'd be a rock buggy... not DOT approved.
15:43<randallman>My jeep, as is, is barely legal...
15:43<randallman>I have to put little tires on it to pass DOT inspection
15:43<randallman>bumper too high, tires stick out past body
15:43<WoodWork>Wouldn't it be lighter with fibre glass though?
15:43<WoodWork>Wouldn't be pratical really.
15:43<randallman>My buddy builds those
15:44<randallman>from scratch
15:44<WoodWork>Can you go on the normal roads with them?
15:44<randallman>Absolutely not :)
15:44<@jed>the guy on the hill looks like he's about to blow chunks
15:44<randallman>Jed, that's his spotter :)
15:45<randallman>this is competition rock crawling crap... Not what I do :)
15:45<@jed>zoom in
15:45<randallman>I just wanna have fun :)
15:45<@jed>he's like, clutching his stomach with his mouth open -- at first glance I thought he was going to spew
15:45<WoodWork>Good for off roading... never done it myself, it looks fun though.
15:45<WoodWork>Jed; Hah, yeah. Never really noticed that.
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15:46<WoodWork>randallman: How's it feel going over rocks with that jeep you have?
15:46<randallman>Its a bit of an adreneline rush
15:47<randallman>It takes a while to get used to being off camber
15:47<randallman>your first instinct is to reach your hand out to stablize :)
15:47<randallman>which is a nono...
15:47<randallman>since if you do roll, which happens, you'll crush your hand :)
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15:47<randallman>my wife... hahah
15:47<randallman>the first time we were 50deg down and 20 degrees tilted right
15:47<randallman>she said 'I LOVE YOU HONEY'
15:47<randallman>all scared like :)
15:49<WoodWork>I think I'll go for my shower now.. 8:50PM. ;] Back in a bit.
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16:25<JoeK>my linode is up!
16:29<JoeK>i just bumped my screen DVI cord
16:29<JoeK>now were all purple and black
16:30<randallman>HELP ME, IM PURPLE AND BLACK :P
16:40<WoodWork>What's the typical price of diesel / petrol in America?
16:40<aziwoqpd>abotu $2.90/gal here in southern california for diesel
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16:41<randallman>yeah about 2.95 here in DE
16:41<randallman>reason is its ultra low sulfur these days
16:41<randallman>used to be cheaper than octane
16:42<WoodWork>That's miles cheaper. ;D
16:44<adj>about 2.45 here
16:44<adj>reg unleaded is also 2.45
16:44<WoodWork>Converting it, it's about 1.67 usd a litre here.
16:45<laser`>Yeah, but US gasoline is considerably lower octane than UK
16:46<laser`>Hence things like 70 mpg as is becoming common in the UK is nigh impossible in the US
16:46<Battousai>also they have those tiny little cars
16:46<Battousai>and we have lincoln navigators
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16:47<WoodWork>it's strange how fuel differs really, I suppose it's oil amounts
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16:48<axod>we don't have "tiny little cars"
16:48<adj>we also stuff ethanol into our fuel
16:49<adj>which is hell on fiberglass and lowers efficiency
16:49<axod>we have normal sized cars. We also don't generally have pickup trucks
16:49<tome3>Howdy all, I just signed up for a linode node, how long does 'authorization' usually take before I get to select a datacenter and start to set it up?
16:49<WoodWork>It depends on if their fraud system has picked something up on your card.
16:50<WoodWork>It should be near instant.
16:50<WoodWork>Otherwise they may require further details.
16:51<WoodWork>All I can advise is to check your emails. :)
16:51<tome3>seems like I'm in 'pending activation'
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17:09<@jed>axod: liar, stephen fry is all we know of britain here in knuckledragging america
17:09<@jed>and he drives a funny car lolz
17:11<axod>hehe london taxi usually
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17:45<ivan>why do people get linodes in fremont?
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17:49<palintheus>they pwn
17:49<ivan>SpaceHobo: what is the best DC for USA traffic?
17:49<ivan>so, whats the best of? :-)
17:50<palintheus>if you want fastest, it depends on from where...
17:51<ivan>im from russia but my visitors are from usa
17:51<palintheus>specific region of the country?
17:52<palintheus>then I would suggest central like Dallas or maybe Atlanta depending on your needs
17:52<materdaddy>any dhcp experts here? i'm running dnsmasq on my home router, and using dhclient3 on a device. I setup /etc/ethers for dnsmasq to give a static IP for the client's mac address, yet I keep getting the old IP. I'm wondeirng who can help me with tcpdump and figuring out if it's the client asking for a REBIND or the server giving the old address... I've tried restarting server/client, removing client lease files, etc.
17:52<palintheus>if you are thinking atlanta, be sure to look here
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17:54<ivan>palintheus: Dallas is better due to ThePlanet DC, isnt it?
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17:55<palintheus>I have no experience with ThePlanet
17:56<ivan>palintheus: ok. thank you
17:56<nb>FWIW I like fremont because it is Hurricane Electric
18:01<materdaddy>nm, typo in server-side /etc/ethers
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18:01<mwalling>there is no "better" datacenter
18:01<mwalling>if they werent awesome, linode wouldnt have signed a contract with them
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18:04<nb>mwalling, true
18:04*nb wonders why bind doesn't like " IN AAAA 2001:470:e1f1::1
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18:04<nb>it says bad dotted quad
18:04<jeremiah>Getting long ping times and ssh timeouts to Newark.
18:04<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark or dallas.
18:04<jeremiah>Anyone else experiencing this?
18:05<mwalling>jeremiah: i'm talking to you from newark, so no.
18:05<nb>oh wrong line, i found the problem
18:05<mwalling>jeremiah: pastebin mtr
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18:08<jeremiah>mtr is pretty cool
18:09<mwalling>why would you use something thats not awesome?
18:09<jeremiah>Ummm, splunge?
18:09<jeremiah>So, when the first 'hop' goes red, or shows loss, then it cascades throughout the rest of the hops
18:10<jeremiah>Which makes me think my ISP's router is the dirty villan
18:10<jeremiah>Or is it villain?
18:10<mwalling>caker got me to spell "moron" "moran" for 3 weeks. i'm not the one to ask.
18:11<linbot>mwalling: [mtr] 11 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
18:12<linbot>jeremiah: [mtr] 14 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
18:12<jeremiah>Is that 100% packet loss?
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18:12<jeremiah>If so, that might explain why there is a bit of a problem.
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18:14<jeremiah>Thanks mwalling
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18:18<jeremiah>Man. That mtr thing is like crack.
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18:23<nb>hmm, /me likes mtr
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18:31<jeremiah>I also nmapped the problem router that mtr pointed out.
18:31<jeremiah>I saw that it was a Cisco router
18:31<jeremiah>Into which I can telnet.
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18:36<Battousai>so fix it
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18:45*mwalling disavows all knowlege of jeremiah
18:48<Pryon>he was a bullfrog
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18:58<beefsalad>he was a good friend of mine
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19:13<fmucar>anyone from linode support?
19:15<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
19:16<fmucar>need some help with account activation
19:16<fmucar>I guess i need to talk to ops for that
19:18<fmucar>seems no1 is here
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19:19<tome>Howdy, anyone from linode know why account activation could take many hours (when I log in it states pending activation). I'm worried there is a step I need to complete on my end, but have not.
19:19<bd_>did you check your email?
19:19<bd_>usually they're quick about that
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19:19<tome>bd_ i got confirmation that my CC was billed...
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19:19<mau>Or they need to do a manual verification.
19:20<mau>It happens.
19:20<tome>that must be the case, which is unfortunate since I had a small window to get the project running, I may have to get something on SliceHost tonight : (
19:21<tome>I'll try to hold out till tomorrow am : )
19:21<bd_>tome, fmucar, hang out in the channel, I'll put in a ticket to try to get someone's attention
19:22<fmucar>I got an email just now
19:22<fmucar>from linode
19:22<fmucar>telling me they need copy of my credit cards and front and back sides
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19:23<fmucar>which i dont think is a very safe
19:23<fmucar>way of using credir cards
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19:24<@jed>tome: what username did you sign up with?
19:25<KingTarquin>fmucar, Could be for fraud prevention reasons.
19:25<@jed>fmucar: where'd you grow up in the world? where are you from?
19:25<fmucar>yes I know but this is a very primitive way of checking :)
19:26<@jed>tome: ping -- what username did you sign up with?
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19:26<tome>jed back sorry
19:26<tome>i will PM it
19:26<fmucar>if i start to send copy of my credit card to everyone who asks for it, i dont think it is gonna be really helping fraud protection
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19:26<fmucar>I am from TUrkey
19:27<mau>Ahah! Everyone knows that hackers live there! :p
19:27<fmucar>is there any other way of verification?
19:27<@jed>tome: activated
19:27<mwalling>sending a copy of your credit card shows potential for posession
19:27<@jed>fmucar: you're activated, e-mail should be on the way
19:27<tome>jed, thanks!!! bd_, thanks!!!!
19:28<fmucar>I got it.
19:28<fmucar>cheers mate
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19:28<@jed>np :)
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19:28<tome>Doh,I was hoping to use fremont, can I move there if space frees up eventually?
19:28<tome>business is in CA
19:29<bd_>tome: Put in a ticket now requesting a migration whenever space opens up, and they can put you on a waitlist
19:29<jforman>tome: yes
19:29<@jed>open up a ticket and request it, and we'll squeeze you in
19:29<bd_>or that
19:29<@jed>there's a waiting list, I'd suggest dallas if you're in CA
19:29<@jed>latency isn't bad
19:29<tome>I'm CA but also have a customer in Louisiana...
19:29<tome>dallas it is :)
19:30<jforman>tome: you could try atlanta too
19:30<mwalling> or .ca
19:33<tome>chose dallas, will play with some pings once the app is running and see if it's worth a move. Thanks again everyone!
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19:36<JoeK>i say we expand to fmt2!
19:36<linbot>New news from forums: DNS Manager Suggestion in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
19:38<JoeK>is there a way i can "freeze" my linode, and migrate it elsewhere
19:38<JoeK>so when i turn it on, it resumes where it left off
19:40<jtaji>JoeK: just shut it down?
19:40<JoeK>but then i will have to restart my apps
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19:41<amitz>JoeK: I'm speculating that some applications that are time sensitive might be corrupted? :-p
19:41<JoeK>no, but for lazyness/convience purposes
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19:42<tome>is there a way to have a contact information (name, phone, address) different than billing info?
19:42<tome>my impression from the interface is that there is 1 contact (address for example) slot
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19:52<abysed>chmod 0 /
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19:52<abysed>(not recommended)
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20:03<@jed>tome_away: you can make a separate user, under Account > Users & Permissions
20:04<@jed>if you're trying to isolate the billing bits, that is
20:11*HedgeMage peeks in
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20:12<nb>jed, i have a friend that wants to pay via paypal, but they are not from the US and so can not get the paypal debit card
20:12<nb>does linode take paypal?
20:13<nb>oh ok, i suppose i will continue having him pay me and then I'll pay for the linode
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20:13*nb created him a user to manage that linode from
20:14<@caker>nice :)
20:15*amitz peeks out
20:15*amitz 's eyeball hit HedgeMage's.
20:15<amitz>...rather gross :-p
20:16*HedgeMage pokes amitz
20:16<HedgeMage>watch it, bub
20:17<amitz>HedgeMage: sorry. will poke out first to make sure no eyeball on the way :-p
20:20<HedgeMage>How are you?
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20:22<amitz>beefsalad: < beefsalad> he was a good friend of mine <-- you mean you disavow that person now? :-p
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20:28<amitz>HedgeMage: oh sorry, just finished browsing log.
20:29<amitz>fine, after a loong convoluted day 12 hours ago :-). The 36 hours ago is the most fun of all, just got a replacement for my cellphone :-)
20:30<amitz>the cellphone browser still doesn't work well with mibbit though. But I believe it's just a matter me having to click instead of pressing enter while in mibbit window.
20:30<amitz>and you?
20:37<HedgeMage>amitz: Pretty good...head spinning. Lost a client that I really needed the revenue from, panicked, got email from former client with tons of new business that more than covers the previous loss. No longer panicking about work, but more than a little unhappy that I haven't had time to shower yet.
20:39<Peng>HedgeMage: That's awesome timing. :)
20:42<beefsalad>amitz: I was continuing the song
20:48<HedgeMage>Peng: It really was.
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20:56<mikegrb>mmm cake
20:56<HedgeMage>Bonus! My folks are coming over with ice cream cake :)
20:57<HedgeMage>(Parents: the only people who can come over with nummy treats and not make me feel obligated to get out of my PJs and into clothes)
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21:12<amitz>beefsalad: ah, I see.
21:12<amitz>HedgeMage: good for you! :-D
21:13<beefsalad>I'm old for a young person :D
21:13<amitz>beefsalad: I'm young for an old person, many people said :-D
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21:13<mwalling>does ssh(1) have an incantation to ignore the known hosts check?
21:14<bob2>-o KnownHosts=no or something
21:14<bob2>-o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null, I suspect
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21:15<mwalling>CheckHostIP and something else i'd imagine
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21:16<mwalling>StrictHostKeyChecking no
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21:30<Orgg>I'm thinking of purchasing a seperate linode for my business, which I would want a seperate invoice for because of taxes. Am I correct that I need to sign up for a seperate business account? And is there any way to link my personal linode and my business linode without being logged in under 2 different IDs?
21:32<@caker>Orgg: no .. you'll need to maintain two distinct accounts if you want separate billing
21:32<Orgg>That's what I thought, but I wanted to confirm before I signed up
21:32<Orgg>If they are in the same data center can I get a private IP between the two?
21:32<Orgg>even though they are seperate accounts?
21:34<Orgg>it probably doesn't matter anyway... I might host in diff. datacenters for redundency anyway.
21:34<Orgg>Thanks for the answer.
21:34<bd_>Orgg: Yes, private IPs are accessible between accounts in the same DC
21:35<bd_>so make sure you don't run mysql without any password required or something like that ;)
21:35*Orgg is working out a switch from an incompetent hosting provider.
21:36<Orgg>Maybe as a honeypot on the personal side, but isn't that against some term or something? :)
21:36<bd_>just make sure it doesn't cause problems for anyone else :)
21:37<bd_>I know some people run spamtraps on linodes
21:37<Orgg>I have too much real work to do, although I wonder how many linoders probe those private IPs
21:37<Orgg>I would only listen on the private IP with the honeypot :)
21:37<bd_>it wouldn't take long to nmap the entire private IP space
21:37<bd_>so, don't count on security through obscurity
21:38<bd_>IP assignment is far from random anyway
21:38<Orgg>heh, which is why I'm probably going to go with a diff. data center seeing as both of my IPs on this linode are on the same subnet (which I suppose I'd expect)
21:39<Orgg>And those are public IPs
21:39<bd_>well, same-DC will go through the same network drops, same routers, and possibly same switches anyway
21:39<Orgg>Is it bad to "refer myself" since it's for my own business?
21:39<bd_>so it doesn't really matter if you're on the same subnet
21:40<linbot>Why would you steal money from Linode when you didn't refer this person? ;_;
21:40<Orgg>I am referring my "business entity"
21:40<Orgg>which for tax reasons is diffferent
21:40<bd_>I can't speak for Linode, but I don't know if they buy into the whole corporate personhood thing
21:40<Orgg>Which is why I'm asking before doing anything :)
21:41<bd_>Orgg: Do you thtink they'd actually say 'yes'? :)
21:41<Orgg>Legally they are seperate... The accounts are seperate, the invoices seperate...
21:41<bd_>I think the options here for Linode would be: a) ignore the question b) not see the question and thus not be able to answer it c) 'no'
21:41<bd_>d) 'yes' is counterproductive
21:42<Orgg>legally, I disagree, but this isn't court... I'll respect their rules.
21:42<bd_>Well, again, I can't speak for linode. I'm just pointing out, that even if it _is_ something they'd let pass, they're unlikely to just come out and say "Sure, go ahead!" :)
21:42<Orgg>I actually am a little suprised at the referralwhore bot crap for what I think was a valid question.
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21:43<bd_>Orgg: it was meant as a joke - that trigger's more for people who give their referral codes to people who come in to the channel
21:43*nb actually has 2 ips from different subnets on the SAME linode
21:43<bd_>yep - it's all one physical segment
21:43<nb>on another VPS i have at another provider, I have 2 ips from different class A's on the same vps
21:43<nb>that did kind of surprise me
21:44<bd_>that can happen on linode sometimes too - they have some legacy IPs allocated through the datacenters, but recently have been moving to their own PI allocations
21:45<Orgg>bd_: No worries... I'd seen it before and could understand it's use... :)
21:46<Orgg>Just as linode wants to do things in their best interest financially, so do I and my business is all... :)
21:47<Orgg>So far I've been very impressed with the service.
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21:49<Orgg>So, anyone have favorite datacenters? Looks like Dallas might be the best bet for a 540 since I'm already in newark personally...
21:50<Orgg>Fremont looks packed.
21:51<bd_>yeah, the physical facility behind fremont is at its power capacity, so linode can only move in when someone else moves out, from what I hear
21:51<bd_>if you ask me linode should really be looking hard at expanding into another facility in that area...
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21:51<bd_>though I suppose they probably are behind the scenes
21:52<mwalling>*cough backseatdriver cough*
21:52<Bohemian>i got into the top 2 search results on google!
21:52<Orgg>Tech Support and Technical Writing... I already wrote a book and don't want to do it again :)
21:52<Bohemian>in a week!
21:52<Bohemian>holy crap
21:52<amitz>Orgg: well, look at it this way. You don't have to convince yourself to use linode :-p
21:53<mwalling>Bohemian: querying for "site:" doesnt count
21:53<bd_>Bohemian: that depends a lot on the keyword - I bet I can get on the top two results for "fos eiff grblkx npsq" in a week :)
21:53<Bohemian>mwalling: google eafe indonesia
21:53<Orgg>amitz: Very true... I haven't even been here a month yet, and I'm ready to ditch my business hosting of several years.
21:53<Bohemian>eafe is a well known and common investment term
21:53<bd_>#1 will be this log, of course
21:53<amitz>Bohemian: but nobody combines those yet. If you're niche enough, you dont need SEO to be on top :-)
21:54<Bohemian>any eafe $country name that i cover gets me in the top 10
21:54<Bohemian>amitz: i've had two people find my site by eafe china keywords
21:54<amitz>Orgg: I meant that in reference to you referring yourself ;-).
21:55<Orgg>Well, it's true... But things are also tight and I'm doing this to save on hosting costs... It's better to ask at the very least.
21:55<Orgg>I haven't signed up the business account with a referral or anything...
21:56<Orgg>I was actually expecting a "no." from someone on staff, but wanted to confirm is all.
21:56<bd_>even then you wouldn't get it for three months, so if things are tight _now_ it won't help much. and in the long run, just sign up for a yearly thing
21:56<bd_>= 10% discount
21:56<bd_>where one month is just over 8% :)
21:57<Orgg>True enough... The business may be closing because of me taking a perm. position though... So the yearly thing might not help as much as you think.
21:57<Orgg>But I agree on the discount.
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22:02<amitz>Orgg: I don't know your situation but I do understand that sometimes that US$20 dollars matter a lot. I believe linode is reasonable people so suppose you need take something, just remember to give back when you're strong enough ;-)
22:03<Orgg>It's not really that big of a deal... I'll just go month to month until things are more secure.
22:03<amitz>although I believe you should be strong enough if you actually pay tax.. ;-)
22:03<Orgg>Who knows how the referral would work out technically from the IRS.
22:04<amitz>well, if you're in US hence the dealing with IRS, I believe you should be strong enough ;-)
22:04<Orgg>Deal with the IRS sometime and then say I'm fortunate :)
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22:05<amitz>I was talking about places where your average wage is like 5 cents an hour ;-)
22:05*Orgg is fortunate in that way, no doubt.
22:05<amitz>well, that's my personal opinion I obnoxiously voiced. Each to their own I guess.
22:06<Orgg>I won't dispute it a bit.
22:06<Orgg>I've had to deal with the IRS and dumb hosting provider in one night and am just moody, I guess.
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22:11<stanix>I need some work done related to fulltext searches, site design, php, js, cms and things like that. Anyone around is available?
22:14<Bohemian>stanix: i work with drupal
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22:14<stanix>i do not have any experience with it except some people say it is convoluted. I work with e107 as cms currently
22:14<JoeK>how would one find his mysql socket path?
22:15<Bohemian>stanix: i love it
22:15<Bohemian>what do you need done?
22:15<stanix>well, site related stuff. the top priority item is fast searches on a 300k+ page site
22:16<stanix>Bohemian, I need site designers, php/cms guys, js guys and java guys
22:17<Bohemian>well, i'm a php/cms guy
22:17<stanix>Bohemian, sql queries can not be slow. You need to do fulltext indexing
22:17<stanix>Bohemian, cool
22:17<JoeK>im a guy who wants to find out how to find out his mysql sock path D"
22:17<Bohemian>stanix: you use post or mysql?
22:19<nb>JoeK, lsof?
22:19<nb>lsof | grep mysql or something like that
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22:24<fmucar>find / -name 'mysql'
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22:26<Karrde>open up my.cnf and look?
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22:45<linbot>nb: Fremont360 - 3, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0, Fremont5760 - 0
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22:47<bd_>tome_away: there's availability in fremont, hope you put in a ticket for your place in line... :)
22:47<Orgg>Wow, one 360 gone since the time I was checking...
22:47<Bohemian>Orgg: serious business
22:48<Orgg>Serious turnover, looking at the graphs...
22:49<spkitty>that's not turnover
22:49<Orgg>Why the spikes? Just adding capacity?
22:49<tome_away>bd_, I'm considering staying in Dallas Tx... since one of my customers are in Louisiana, and another in CA
22:49<nb>my computer can't connect to apparently
22:49<spkitty>indeed Orgg
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22:50<tome>I wonder what is the difference between fremont and Dallas really
22:50<Orgg>I'm now in dallas and newark :)
22:50<Pryon>fewer explosions in Fremont
22:51<nb>did anyone ever figure out if bbc would allow connections from london linodes?
22:51<guinea-pig>ability to fall off into the pacific ocean
22:51<chuck>Why is fremont so popular?
22:51<nb>chuck, the datacenter is full so linode cannot simply add more capacity
22:51<nb>another client of HE's has to move out for linode to get more space/power
22:52<chuck>oh :S
22:52<nb>IIRC its power, not space that is the constraint
22:52<nb>but it doesn't matter too much
22:53<tome>is there some worry that those machines will always be maxed out, so on Dallas you are more likely to be on a non-max machine?
22:53<tome>rather a regular dallas machine then a maxed and bursty fremont machine
22:53<nb>tome, actuallly my host (I have a 1080 linode in fremont) says load: idle
22:55<Pryon>yeah, my fremont box has been mostly idle since converting to xen
22:55<nb>mine is xen
22:55*nb has rarely seen anything above low for load
22:55<nb>on any host i've been on
22:56<tome>dallas205 is also idle
22:56<Pryon>I think they've got their heads around provisioning well in all DCs
22:56<tome>so no worries, my main worry is IO really
22:58<nb>Pryon, yeah, it seems like linode knows what they are doing
23:00<Pryon>except for mikegrb, whose just there for the creepy factor
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23:01<nb>mikegrb, works there?
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23:02*nb wonders why he is not opped here
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23:04<Pryon>I'm guessing he's on vacation. Also, he's more of a behind-the-scenes type, busy writing line noise
23:04<nb>aah ok
23:04<StevenK>s/line noise/Perl/
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23:07*amitz gives op to nb
23:08<nb>amitz, lol i was referring to mikegrb
23:08<nb>not he as in myself
23:09<tome>Anyone know how to get going with the backup service?
23:09<tome>Would love to get that going from day1
23:09<nb>tome, file a ticket and request access to the beta
23:09<nb>although usual disclaimers apply, all your backup data may be lost, etc etc etc
23:09<nb>no guarantees apply while it is in beta
23:10<tome>nb, thx
23:10<nb>tome, you're welcome
23:10*nb likes the backup service
23:11<nb>i had to restore some one time, and it worked ok, although restores take a little while (but that shouldn't matter because needing to restore should be rare
23:11<nb>IIRC it will keep a few days of daily backups, plus you can make 1 snapshot that IIRC is kept until you make another snapshot
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23:12<{aaron}>hi guys, i just noticed my centos 5.3 server has not /boot dir... is that standard or did I f&@ck something up?
23:12<nb>probably is ok
23:13<nb>IIRC linode doesn't use anything under /boot unless you use pv_grub
23:14<nb>{aaron}, you might consider running yum update
23:14<nb>5.4 is out
23:14<{aaron}>my 5.2 had one so i thought i'd ask
23:15<{aaron}>nb: agh, i just migrated to a new 5.3 server
23:15<{aaron}>is it as easy as yum update these days?
23:15<{aaron}>will the kernel play well with linode?
23:16<abysed>wild guess but maybe /boot isn't mounted ? if its a separate partition at all
23:17<Karrde>it is just as easy
23:17<Karrde>and unless you're using pv_grub, kernels are completely ignored by linode
23:17<{aaron}>abysed: no there isn't a separate partition
23:17<{aaron}>hope i didn't remove it by accident somehow and my linode won't reboot some day]
23:17<Karrde>if you are, then any distoro kernel that supports pv_grub should work
23:18<Karrde>if you don't know whether you're using it or not, you aren't
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23:23<{aaron}>k thanks
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23:24*Orgg hates waiting for DNS updates to propigate
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23:55<amitz>hmm didn't see any sign of his existence... I will not be a loser today :-p
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23:59<QuietStormEagle>Hey are there any PHP programmers here??
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