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---Logopened Thu Jan 07 00:00:04 2010
---Daychanged Thu Jan 07 2010
00:00<chesty>bummer, tomorrow then
00:00<amitz>SirSquidness: I need PS3 to do that, and so do others.. hmm
00:06<squircle>does anybody know why, despite my triple-checking of the php configuration, phpmyadmin refuses to enable the linked table features? (all but 'pmadb' say NOT OK)
00:06<squircle>some kind of bug or something? 'cause all the table and database names are right...
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00:11<emp29_>i think i have it running!
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00:13<emp29_>bob; what are you thoughts of me running nginx and mysql under supervisord ?
00:14<bob2>nginx has never crashed for me
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00:14<bob2>so I'd not bother
00:14<bob2>and if mysql crashed I'd probably want to have a look before restarting it
00:15<bob2>but they should both work
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00:15<emp29_>well - im relieved to know that this php/fastcgi thing is a known issue and supervisord is a great way to fix the problem
00:15<emp29_>i was getting pretty bummed when my site would randomly go down
00:16<emp29_>and i had no idea why
00:16<bob2>we should probably have reported it as a bug rather than worked around it =)
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00:28<ql>is dallas down?
00:29<praetorian>no, its more up top of the world
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00:31<Shubuntu>hey guys
00:31<Shubuntu>how's everyone doing
00:33<Shubuntu>i want to create something like what they have in download sites, a clock that counts down, then goes and brings a captcha and a form which you have to answer to in certain amount of time, and if correct then you'll go to your desired link
00:33<Shubuntu>i already know how to create captcha images
00:33<Shubuntu>i know how to code a clock
00:33<Shubuntu>i need help with the replacements
00:34<Shubuntu>how do i replace the clock with a form
00:34<Shubuntu>are there any links for this?
00:34<Shubuntu>i know php, not very familiar with javascript beyond basics
00:34<Shubuntu>i'll need something similar to follow and learn from please
00:36<Arimoto>Shubuntu: I doubt there are going to be any tutorials on "a clock that counts down, then goes and brings a captcha and a form which you have to answer ..."
00:37<Shubuntu>Arimoto, i'm breaking it into parts, if there's a javascript that brings one thing then replaces that with another thing that's enough
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00:38<Shubuntu>i'm not programming illiterate, i just need to learn the techniques specific to javascript
00:38<Arimoto>why don't you start by making a javascript clock.
00:39<Shubuntu>already done
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00:40<Shubuntu>SelfishMan, was that a joke?
00:41<SelfishMan>Shubuntu: nah, I'm just that much of an asshole
00:42<Shubuntu>Arimoto, thanks but this is a page redirect
00:43<Shubuntu>how do you redirect an element inside the page
00:43<Shubuntu>it's more like dhtml i'm thinkining
00:43<Shubuntu>that if something happens
00:43<Shubuntu>it hides something
00:43<Shubuntu>and shows the other
00:43<Arimoto>I'm not a web programmer, sorry.
00:43<Shubuntu>like the captcha stuff will be underneath the clock
00:44<Shubuntu>and will only be executed when clock ends
00:44<Shubuntu>oh ok
00:44<Shubuntu>thanks anyways
00:44<Arimoto>you can hide and reveal html elements using javascript as well, google it.
00:45<Shubuntu>yeah i just found a javascript book
00:46<Shubuntu>i want a tutorial that explains the concepts so i can learn to do my own code
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00:50<linbot>New news from forums: Bastille Linux for Debian 5.0 (lenny)? in General Discussion <>
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00:54*muffinsk waves
00:54<muffinsk>just curious.. is there an API for the Linode?
00:55<DephNet[Paul]>the manager?
00:57<muffinsk>DephNet[Paul]: thanks. ;)
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01:50<erikh>Shubuntu: are you new to programming altogether, or just javascript?
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01:55<HIghoS>..and it's telling me that my last name is invalid, probably because it won't let me use dashes. haha.
01:55<HIghoS>..and it's telling me that my last name is invalid, probably because it won't let me use dashes. haha.
01:55*HIghoS sighs at kicks stupid macro'd keyboard.
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02:33<amitz>I hate people who force their luck through customs/politeness shield.
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02:35<Pryon>politeness shield?
02:35<Pryon>that would explain a few things
02:35<amitz>let me think how to explain this,
02:35<Peng>Does it shield you with politeness or from politeness? :D
02:36<Pryon>If it's the TSA then it's definitely from
02:37<Peng>I'm sorry, sir, we're going to have to take that shield.
02:38<amitz>with politeness shield.
02:39<amitz>I mean, it's pretty clear that I don't trust him, but he dared to ask the "why I have to do this?".
02:40<amitz>It's often like that. They count on me just concedeing because they I won't say in front of their face "I do not fucking trust you".
02:41<amitz>s/they I/they thought I/
02:41<amitz>thought/think , argh
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02:46<linbot>New news from forums: Disk I/O -- What is a "bad" number? in Performance and Tuning <>
02:47<tofufish>I've noticed that when i browse to subdirectories (via HTTP) the index's arent being automatically loaded
02:48<tofufish>Though it is working on the root domain, im not really sure what i should be searhcing for to find a solution
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02:48<Peng>What's happening instead?
02:48<tofufish>Its just giving a directory listing
02:49<Peng>You've got DirectoryIndex set properly?
02:49<Peng>Or your web server's equivalent...
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02:50<tofufish>Ill take a look, its been a while since ive changed anything, tbh :x
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02:57<tofufish>It seems my httpd.conf is empty. Im trying to remember where the similar file is located (Im running Apache2)
02:58<tofufish>Im an idiot, nevermind.
02:59<tofufish>Im checking the apache2.conf and there doesnt seem to be any DirectoryIndex strings
03:00<Peng>Prob'ly has a default.
03:01<tofufish>But that wouldnt explain why its working at but not, would it
03:01<Peng>Not unless's index file has a different name.
03:03<amitz>confrontation ends :-D
03:03<tofufish> is picking up a index.html, but wont pick up index.htm/index.html/index.php
03:03<Peng>I've got no idea, then. :D
03:03<Peng>Any rewrite rules involved?
03:03<tofufish>Noo :(
03:03*amitz basks in the afterglow of anger
03:04<tofufish>I don't think so, I haven't changed anything.
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03:05<bitmand>tofufish: is working?
03:05<linbot>amitz: It's not just you!
03:06<amitz>bitmand: ^^ :-D
03:06<tofufish>I suppose theres not harm in just saying the domain name in here, right?
03:06<aziwoqpd>!down amitz
03:06<linbot>aziwoqpd: Huh?
03:06<amitz>aziwoqpd: linbot is intimidated by me.
03:06<tofufish>but no, is just showing the folder index
03:06<amitz>tofufish: well, you can use the !down feature in linbot in private message if necessary.
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03:07<Peng>Someone secretly change !down to "say #linode".
03:08<Peng>Err, "say #linode $1", I think.
03:08<Peng>!help dns6
03:08<linbot>Peng: (dns6 <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web title".
03:08<Peng>Ah, @1, I guess. I don't remember the difference.
03:08<tofufish>linbot says its working.
03:10<Peng>A directory index page counts as "up". It doesn't know what you *want*.
03:10<aziwoqpd>i'd like candy
03:10<aziwoqpd>!f candy
03:10<linbot>aziwoqpd: Candy, specifically sugar candy, is a confection made from a concentrated solution of sugar in water, to which flavorings and colorants are added. Candies come in numerous colors and varieties and have a long history in popular culture. The word "candy" comes from the Sanskrit "çahn-da", meaning "piece (of sugar)," which again perhaps from Dravidian (cf. Tamil kantu "candy," kattu "to harden, (2 more messages)
03:10<Peng>!more aziwoqpd
03:10<linbot>Peng: condense")." In North America, candy is a broad category that includes candy bars, chocolates, licorice, sour candies, salty candies, tart candies, hard candies, taffies, gumdrops, marshmallows, and more. Vegetables, fruit or nuts glazed and coated with sugar are called candied. Candy is considered unhealthy by many. Outside North America, the generic name for candy is sweets or confectionery (UK, (1 more message)
03:10<Peng>!more aziwoqpd
03:10<linbot>Peng: condense")." In North America, candy is a broad category that includes candy bars, chocolates, licorice, sour candies, salty candies, tart candies, hard candies, taffies, gumdrops, marshmallows, and more. Vegetables, fruit or nuts glazed and coated with sugar are called candied. Candy is considered unhealthy by many. Outside North America, the generic name for candy is sweets or confectionery (UK, (1 more message)
03:10<Peng>!more aziwoqpd
03:10<linbot>Peng: condense")." In North America, candy is a broad category that includes candy bars, chocolates, licorice, sour candies, salty candies, tart candies, hard candies, taffies, gumdrops, marshmallows, and more. Vegetables, fruit or nuts glazed and coated with sugar are called candied. Candy is considered unhealthy by many. Outside North America, the generic name for candy is sweets or confectionery (UK, (1 more message)
03:11<Peng>Anyway. :P
03:11<aziwoqpd>linbot really likes candy
03:11<tofufish>This problem is only happening on this particular domain, it seems to be working fine on other domains hosted.
03:11<Peng>Any .htaccesses?
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03:17<Peng>Any gremlins? Curses?
03:17<Peng>Supernatural forces of any sort?
03:18<tofufish>Its probably something really obvious :(
03:20<Peng>tofufish: Typo in index.html's name? :D
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03:20<tofufish>haha, not that obvious :P
03:26<tofufish>Made a new directory, new index.html file and its working
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03:26<tofufish>Which config file should I be editing to add .php,.htm, etc?
03:27<Peng>Any of them.
03:27<Peng>apache2.conf, the vhost config file, .htaccess...
03:27<Peng>But if it's working, you don't need to do that?
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03:30<tofufish>It was something on the lines of a 'typo' :P
03:30<tofufish>I was using a .htm file
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03:30<tofufish>Picking up the index file in a sub directory is now working, so i just need to add .html and .php
03:31<tofufish>Thanks for the painstaking help :P
03:31<hisam>i'm reading this
03:31<Peng>tofufish: No problem. You found the issue on your own anyway... :D
03:32<hisam>to redirect a url
03:32<hisam>where shud i insert the code??
03:33<Peng>hisam: Your configuration file? apache2.conf, the vhost config file, .htaccess...
03:33<vulcan>is there a tutorial somewhere on making subdomains?
03:33<Peng>(Copy+paste++! :D )
03:33<Peng>vulcan: "making subdomains"? Like, adding an A record?
03:33<vulcan>don't I need to tell apache how to handle it, though?
03:33<Peng>vulcan: If you want Apache to, yes. Read a tutorial for virtual hosting.
03:34<hisam>will vhost do??
03:34<Peng>hisam: Yes?
03:35<hisam>so i can comment out this line # DocumentRoot /var/www/d
03:35<tofufish>Peng, do any of those config files take preference over the other?
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03:36<Peng>tofufish: Yes.
03:37<Peng>hisam: I don't know what you're trying to accomplish.
03:37<Peng>hisam: So i have no idea whether you should do that.
03:37<Peng>tofufish: Um. I assume the more specific ones take precedence.
03:37<Peng>tofufish: I'm sure it's explained in the docs somewhere.
03:37<hisam>what i want to do is forward an url to
03:38<Peng>hisam: Forward how? Redirect?
03:38<hisam>i have a vhost file for
03:38<Peng>hisam: Well, if there's nothing on, I suppose it doesn't need a DocumentRoot, unless Apache requires it.
03:39<hisam>so placing this inside the vhost will do the job ?? -- RedirectPermanent
03:40<Peng>hisam: It'd be more like "RedirectPermanent /".
03:40<hisam>ohh kk
03:40<Peng>hisam: But, I think that would append the path, so e.g. /foo would redirect to or somesuch.
03:41<Peng>Maybe mod_rewrite would be better. I dunno.
03:41<Peng>Depends on waht you want to do.
03:41<hisam>hmmmm k
03:42<hisam>i think this one will be enough
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03:51<tofufish>Peng, Will chaning DirectoryIndex require a Apache2 restart?
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04:21<morsing>I transferred some data to my Dallas Linode yesterday and for the first two hours the transfer rate was 1Mb/s, after that it went up to 10Mb/s. Is there a reason for that?
04:23<Pryon>your tube got fatter
04:23<morsing>Another question, what's the best kernel to use with my Debian? The default one is 2.6.18-stable. What's the paravirt one for?
04:23<morsing>Pryon: Why? Because I was using it?
04:24<Pryon>morsing: it's difficult to say, I think. Some networking issue between you and your linode was cleared up. I don't think it's possible to get more specific than that without some serious forensics.
04:24<Pryon>It wasn't something designed into your linode if that's what you're really asking.
04:26<morsing>Ok, yes, that's what I was asking. So not a Linode design then
04:26<Pryon>nope. I'm pretty sure than incoming traffic is not throttled in any way. Outgoing has a soft limit of (I think) 50Mbps which can be increased if you need it.
04:28<linbot>New news from forums: Linode disk image size inconsistency in General Discussion <>
04:30<hisam>solved, thanks peng
04:31<hisam>and want to check what activity is increasing my linode disk io rate
04:31<hisam>whats the way ??
04:31<Pryon>what sort of time resolution do you need?
04:33<Pryon>munin, iostat, vmstat, looking at the graphs on your dashboard
04:33<Pryon>The tool you use depends on how much information you want and how quickly you want to be able to respond to changes
04:36<Peng>Pryon: Yeah, you're correct about the throttles.
04:36<Peng>tofufish: Depends on where you change it. .htaccess doesn't, of course.
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04:37<Peng>morsing: 2.6.18 uses the Xen patches. The newer, paravirt_ops kernels use the paravirtualization features recently added to the vanilla kernel (~2.6.27, or at least that's when it stabilized).
04:39<Peng>morsing: The main reason to use a paravirt kernel is if you use software that isn't compatible with 2.6.18, e.g. the udev version in recent Ubuntu and Arch releases.
04:40<Peng>morsing: Other than that, it mostly doesn't matter. I mean, it's all Linux.
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04:45<tofufish>Ive completely forgotten the command to restart apache2.
04:46<Peng>/etc/init.d/apache2 restart?
04:46<Peng>Reloading might be enough, too.
04:46<tofufish>Hrmm true, do you know the command for thaT?
04:47<Peng>/etc/init.d/apache2 reload? :D
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04:51<Peng>Oh, ok.
04:51*Peng is not an Apache person.
04:52<amitz>Peng is the immigrants.
04:53<amitz>Peng: Apache destroyer!
04:53<amitz>zomg! an english!
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04:57<Peng>(OT) Erk, DNS issues. \o/
04:59<Peng>Apparently DNSMasq died. That's new.
04:59<linbot>New news from forums: Stability of fastcgi on nginx in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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06:10<encode>why is meat so stub-ish?
06:11<encode>just cos I eat it, doesn't mean I know stuff that's worth writing down about it
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06:30<encode>aren't there pills for that?
06:37<encode>I don't have any
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06:59<linbot>New news from forums: SPF Records in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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07:22<Peng>HoopyCat & jtsage: Just curious, in the NTP Pool, what do you have your nodes' netspeed set to?
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07:39<linbot>New news from forums: Outside Domain Name in Linux Networking <>
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07:45<linbot>New news from forums: Spam filter, false positive... Please help... in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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07:51<linbot>New news from forums: Bastille Linux for Debian 5.0 (lenny)? in General Discussion <>
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08:19<HoopyCat>Peng: Over 9000
08:20<HoopyCat>Peng: actually, 100Mb
08:21<Peng>Thanks. :)
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08:33<Bohemian>hi all
08:33<Bohemian>i think i have the biz idea of the decade
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08:33<Peng>Deep-fried donuts!
08:34<Bohemian> for individual companies
08:34<Bohemian>i supply the backend, they plug it into their shipping/payment api
08:34<Peng>That is an interesting idea.
08:34<Bohemian> is the only company doing it that i know of
08:35<Peng>But Woot probably relies on being so broad to keep up its supplies.
08:35<Bohemian>inventory constantly changes per season
08:35<HoopyCat>there's one for yarn, too
08:35<Bohemian>there is?
08:35<Bohemian>if made a site, they could easily do it
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08:36<Bohemian>easy math: they had 1mln of item 1, but have 100k left over of item 1, they put it up one day (maybe it takes 5 days to get rid of it) at 70% off. that's still better than what they'd do if they sold to jcpenny, tjmaxx, etc
08:37<Bohemian>are you a weaver?
08:37<HoopyCat>Bohemian: no, but my wife is a knitter
08:39<Bohemian>mind digging two articles for me?
08:39<HoopyCat>she did this in approx. an hour after i complained about my backup travel mug having shitty insulation: ... but most of her stuff is more awesome
08:39<HoopyCat>i don't have the digg
08:39<Bohemian>lol, i'll take anything
08:40<Bohemian>went from 149, to 59 to 80 visitors past three days
08:40<Bohemian>unique visitors, that is
08:40<HoopyCat>i haven't submitted a link in years; me suddenly submitting stuff would be dodgy :-)
08:41<Bohemian>they're good articles
08:42<X-LP>HoopyCat can she make me one too? :)
08:42<X-LP>i'll pay
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08:44<HoopyCat>X-LP: i've suggested she start doing knitting for hire. then again, she's also suggested i do sysadminny/electronics stuff for hire too :-)
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09:31<linbot>mwalling: It's not just you!
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09:36<Eus>its up now
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09:37<Nivex>it's... slow
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09:40<geco>As a newbie, I set up my node with nginx and hardy LTS. Now that I have become somewhat proficient I have two questions: Does it pay to change my os to something like Centos for better security / performance? The other question is whether there is any reason to move from nginx to apache ; I have a small mostly static site and nginx performs quite well.
09:41<adj>what is the current os?
09:41<geco>ubuntu 8.04
09:41<Nivex>1) stick with an OS you are comfortable with. there aren't any significant performance/security gains between the two to warrant an overhaul
09:42<Nivex>2) (and I guess this applies to 1 as well): If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
09:42<adj>geco: you may consider using ubuntu LTS, but i don't see any reason to switch to a different distro if you are already comfortable with ubuntu
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09:42<Nivex>new LTS will be out in April, so you can do a direct upgrade there to get some new features
09:42<ubuntuisloved>geco, nginx is cute but when if breaks can you fix it? If apache is your thing then tweak that since later it will be easier to get it up and running
09:43<adj>geco: also, given the relatively low resource limits on ubuntu, nginx is going to probably out perform apache
09:43*ubuntuisloved I'll stick to apache
09:44<adj>ubuntuisloved: to scale apache you add ram... not always the best tactic with a linode
09:44<ubuntuisloved>adj, my apache install runs on 110 meg
09:44<adj>ubuntuisloved: to scale apache you add ram... not always the best tactic with a linode
09:44<ubuntuisloved>adj, if you tweak it and understand it you wont need ram
09:44<adj>that simply isn't true. but whatever =)
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09:45<adj>you can only tweak a web server that blocks on io and forks for new connections so much =)
09:45<adj>apache is easy, flexible, and stable. but its not exactly designed to be super efficient
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09:46<ubuntuisloved>adj, im not going to snow ball the conversation of debate, if your not comfortable with apache thats you but I've had much different experiences
09:48<HoopyCat>i moved from centos to ubuntu LTS a few whiles back, for better security/stability/performance. i also use lighttpd, which is the right mix of performance and normalicy for me
09:48<adj>i am very comfortable with apache. i'm also comfortable with nginx, lighty and cherokee. ime and testing an event driven web server using fcgi (or uwsgi) usually works best on a VPS given a "normal" workload
09:49<HoopyCat>adj: apache only has to fork because php is a clusterbuck, remember ;-)
09:49<danrha>Hi, one of my nodes is down, my boss is currently out of town and i have no access to the linode panel, is it possible anyone in staff can check the status and restart the server if necesary? it's very important for me to get the site back up and running
09:49<HoopyCat>mod_php destroyed apache's reputation
09:50<adj>HoopyCat: php can be compiled to work safely with worker
09:50<adj>HoopyCat: although you have to be careful not to employ any non-threadsafe libs.
09:50<ubuntuisloved>adj, php is cute but like HoopyCat says now everyone blames apache
09:50<HoopyCat>danrha: do you have access to lish? (also, might be a good idea to call the linode office -- someone should be around)
09:50<geco>Thanks for all the helpful info. What I like about nginx is that I am running the smallest linode and my site performance is solid. My other interests are to develop marketable skills; for such centos (red hat) and apache seem attractive. I am, however worried that with Apache might linode will grow
09:51<mwalling>so, who wants to start the freeday exhaustion pool?
09:51<adj>geco: rehl/apache will be a heavier stack than ubuntu/nginx. whether that suits your particular workload or not is something only you would know =)
09:52<HoopyCat>mwalling: already started by sparkfun themselves
09:52<danrha>i'll try calling thanks
09:52<mwalling>yeah, but we're here
09:54<HoopyCat>geco: can't hurt to know more than one thing... try both, know the pros and cons :-) one-trick ponies become glue pretty fast
09:55<HoopyCat>danrha: and when your boss gets back, let him know he can add subaccounts with specific access to, for example, reboot a linode but not buy/cancel linodes :-)
09:56<HoopyCat>mwalling: 7:56am, -64 minutes into free day
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10:00<HoopyCat>irgeek, jed, pparadis, psandin, tasaro: ^--- danrha
10:04<JshWright>oh yeah... I forgot about free day... Thanks for the reminder ;)
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10:05<JshWright>I thought free day was supposed to correspond to some server upgrades anyway
10:05<JshWright>(thus explaining the downtime)
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10:06<JshWright>If only we knew of a good VPS service we could suggest to them...
10:07<JshWright>sparkfun is giving away $100k (retail) worth of stuff, $100 per person
10:07<JshWright>hobby electronics supplier
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10:09<Eus>they became the second most popular channel on freenode
10:09<Eus>they surpassed debian a little while ago
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10:11<mwalling>they're back
10:11<JshWright>sort of...
10:11<mwalling>i see my cart
10:11*ubuntuisloved while everyone attempts to connect spark fun's website drops again
10:12*HoopyCat hits F5
10:12*ubuntuisloved rapidly
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10:15<jetlag>the thing about irssi proxy is, I always forget how to use irssi
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10:18<jetlag>what should I get?
10:18<JshWright>maybe I'm crazy, but it doesn't seem like it should take all that much horsepower to run an online store...
10:19<JshWright>sure, searches and stuff can add up, but there are a whole lot of pages that should be cached there
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10:19<adj>JshWright: its usually the db thats the bottleneck
10:19<jetlag>the cloud would fix this, the cloud fixes everything
10:19<adj>haha. <3 the cloud
10:19<JshWright>adj: really? I never would have guessed that ;p
10:19<adj>JshWright: :P
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10:20<adj>JshWright: i'm just astounded at how underused things like memcache (and even properly config'ed mysql query cache) are
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10:21<jetlag>what network is the sparkfun channel on?
10:22<mwalling>jetlag: the other "free" network
10:22<spkitty>randall munroe is a fucking idiot
10:22<adj>woo. slackware is installing =) i havent installed slack in YEARS
10:23<spkitty>the majority of webcomicers out there have no idea how to code a website - so they'll use something along the lines of wordpress + comicpress. not their fault, it works well and easily ... to a point
10:23<ubuntuisloved>wordpress ---> YUK
10:23<jetlag>I use wordpress for the frequent exploits.
10:23<mwalling>wait, randall is an idiot because he doesnt use wordpress?
10:23<spkitty>... read what i wrote again mwalling
10:24<mwalling>you know he is a linode custoemr, right?
10:24<JshWright>I've read it three times...
10:24<spkitty>randall is an idiot because he thinks just because he knows about programming and coding and such that anybody else in the webcomic business does
10:24<JshWright>wait... that makes him an idiot?
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10:25<mwalling>jed: facebook is php and they dont have these problems
10:25<jetlag>I want to punch php in the face.
10:26*ubuntuisloved php punches jetlag back in the gut
10:26<spkitty>SpaceHobo: like i said, they know nothing about websites, or caching or anything along those lines
10:26<spkitty>they're mostly artists or authors ... and even then i use the terms loosely
10:26<HoopyCat>there are better engines than wordpress, too
10:26<laser`>WordPress + WP Super Cache = generating a page pretty much every time it changes
10:26<amitz>interesting development
10:26<spkitty>hey if you know how to use wordpress it can withstand almost anything
10:27<spkitty>HoopyCat: of course, but they don't know that
10:27*ubuntuisloved Wordpress + crappy plugin... crappy performance
10:27<spkitty>well that's what my wordpress installation does
10:27<HoopyCat>b2evo has caching out of the box
10:28<ubuntuisloved>jed, it's up wait no ... nevermind
10:28<JshWright>that's what she said...
10:29<ubuntuisloved>lmao ....
10:29<TheFirst>hah this is like watching woots servers during a BoC ... only thing missing is people complaining about scripters
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10:33<mwalling>26 minues
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10:33<mwalling>i got xbee stuff
10:34<adj>wow. they have no-cache set for every page.
10:34<adj>and i don't see any headers for squid/varnish/etc, so they're probably not doing ESI ;)
10:35<ubuntuisloved>not for me :(
10:36<amitz>ubuntuisloved: tunnel through your linode.
10:37<amitz>larger downstream
10:37<JshWright>current cart value: $51.80
10:37<ubuntuisloved>amitz, k will try
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10:39<mwalling>i've got xbee explorer usb, xbee shield, and 2 xbee 2.5 chips
10:39<adj>do they sell any single board computers?
10:39<ubuntuisloved>for the time wasted waiting for this site I'll pay the extra 100 dollars
10:39*adj can't get to the site :/
10:40<ubuntuisloved>adj, feels your pain me neither
10:40<adj>i need a pcmcia wifi radio and SBC
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10:45<thefunnyman>hello, first time using irc
10:46<mwalling>thats nice
10:46<mwalling>at least you recognize its irc :)
10:46<thefunnyman>baby steps
10:46<HoopyCat>thefunnyman: hello! :-)
10:46<thefunnyman>so, i hate just hopping in and asking stupid questions....
10:46<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
10:46<JshWright>wait... I'm on IRC? I thought that was how hackers communicated...
10:47<ubuntuisloved>We've beefed up our servers and completely re-written and streamlined our site. But realize that there are a lot of people with full carts waiting to hit the 'submit' button at 9AM. Servers may become slow, there may be timeouts so please be patient.
10:47<TheFirst>no stupid questions...just stupid people asking questions
10:47<pharaun>jesus christ
10:47<pharaun>sparkfun is being pounded into SHIT
10:47<bss>[nonsense about irc and naval shipping channels here]
10:47<mwalling>how far can i go with my cart?
10:47<JshWright>pharaun: they asked for it...
10:47<mwalling>i'm at shopping_cart.php
10:47<pharaun>JshWright: yes i know
10:47<pharaun>i just got one item enrolled
10:48<pharaun>still trying to enroll others and its failing HARD
10:48<amitz>woah, complete rewrite...
10:48<mwalling>can i go into checkout_shipping.php?
10:48<HoopyCat>thefunnyman: people with @ are linode staff, linbot is our robotic overlord, and mwalling's an asshole. that's all you really need to know about #linode. :-)
10:48<pharaun>YES! got two items now
10:48<adj>ok. i'm going to stop browsing =)
10:49<adj>looks like its mostly robotic/hobbiest gear?
10:49<mwalling>adj: it is a hobbiest site....
10:49<JshWright>mwalling: open it in a new tab and see what happens
10:49<ubuntuisloved>what happens if they hit 100 K and my order falls over that ...will they tell me or just charge me?
10:49<thefunnyman>just signed up for an ubuntu vps. I run ubuntu on my home machines. I am not a complete newb, at least I don't think I am. but the vps seems to be missing a lot of repositories that I'm used to seeing in a server install of ubuntu. don't have one to compare it to right now, but I can't find anything with apt-get, only aptitude. there are universe repositories commented out in sources.list. I didn't think i needed the universe repos to instal
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10:49<pharaun>ubuntuisloved: no idea i would hope they would tell ya
10:49<ubuntuisloved>me too
10:49<pharaun>but considering the rate that they are being pounded
10:49<JshWright>thefunnyman: dit you aptitude update?
10:49<mwalling>thefunnyman: then add the repositories, then run update
10:50<pharaun>got like 3-5 tabs open
10:50<pharaun>and only 1 out of maybe 10-15 tries does the page load *sigh*
10:50<mwalling>checkout is SLOW!
10:50<pharaun>jesus christ
10:50<pharaun>and i only got 2 items enrolled so far aw fuck
10:51<HoopyCat>thefunnyman: most "cool" stuff is in universe... check for your package of choice to be sure
10:51<ubuntuisloved>which irc channel are they on, I want to go in and bitch
10:51<pharaun>ubuntuisloved: i tried i couldn't get voice
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10:51<pharaun>it seemed to be overloaded too
10:51<pharaun>scrolling screens of login/out/etc messages
10:51<HoopyCat>ubuntuisloved: it lets you choose
10:51<pharaun>ubuntuisloved: but for your information, its @ #sparkfun
10:51<thefunnyman>mwalling: thanks...I guess I was just being a bit timid. didn't think i'd need universe repos to install some of this stuff
10:52<pharaun>fuck it, i'm opening 10 tabs of each products in hope i can even get a single page loaded *enough* for me to click add
10:52<mwalling>i cant check out
10:53<mwalling>[01-07] 10:53:01 [*] Irssi: #sparkfun: Total of 1732 nicks [7 ops, 0 halfops, 30 voices, 1695 normal]
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10:53<ubuntuisloved>this is bullshit
10:53<ubuntuisloved>now im getting Network Timeout
10:53<pharaun>i got a few page to load oh yes!
10:54<pharaun>adding to shopping cart now
10:54<mwalling>wth, #sparkfun is +m
10:54<maushu>You guys talking about sparkfun too? Dammit.
10:54<pharaun>maushu: yup
10:54<pharaun>come on its 100k of free shit
10:55<pharaun>it HAS to be talked about :-D
10:55<maushu>No, it's $100 per person.
10:55<maushu>1000 persons in like 2 millions users or something.
10:55<pharaun>maushu: yes i know its 100 per person, but still christ, its 100k *total* of free shit come on
10:56<mwalling>jed: no, in meeting right now
10:56<pharaun>spamming this at work -_-
10:56<pharaun>fuck only got 2 items enrolled
10:56<maushu>The website doesn't even load for me.
10:56<pharaun>maushu: just load 20 tabs
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10:57<pharaun>and hope atleast one works ;-p
10:57<Peng>What's this?
10:57<pharaun>Peng: yes
10:57<Peng>What is Sparkfun?
10:57<ubuntuisloved>this irc comment has me laughing "<shadowtec> someone press reset on the server"
10:57<maushu>Peng, se slave company.
10:57<pharaun>Peng: its your mom
10:57<Peng>I see.
10:58<Peng>And why are we so excited?
10:58<pharaun>F"OUR ITEMS!
10:58<Peng>And busy overloading their website?
10:58<pharaun>checking OUT!
10:58<pharaun>Peng: 100$ free shit per person 100k total
10:58<maushu>Peng, they are advertising... it's working.
10:58<Peng>Ah. That is exciting.
10:59<maushu>Why can't steam do something like this. >_> *sigh*
10:59<pharaun>yes it is working quite good
10:59<pharaun>at crushing their punny server *sigh*
11:00<pharaun>four items enrolled but 4x dev board ack!
11:00<jetlag>in the immortal words of internet meme rage guy FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
11:00<pharaun>1 minute to go to server exploding
11:00<pharaun>oh its exploded
11:01<Peng>maushu: Don't you mean Linode? :D
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11:01<djoe>wait, wait . . . what's that I see? a MUSHROOM cloud on the western horizon?
11:01<maushu>djoe, that is the sparkfun server exploding.
11:01<maushu>Nothing to worry about.
11:02<djoe>yeah, cuz it's all RoHS-compliant fallout
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11:03*ubuntuisloved wonders whos running apache load tests on sparkfun right now
11:03<jetlag>i briefly saw pages at zero hour but now it's gone again :(
11:03<pharaun>i got 4 items enrolled but
11:04<pharaun>it went up to 8 items ack fuck
11:04<pharaun>correcting it now *sigh* but ofc
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11:07<JshWright>they've had _2_ orders so far
11:07<pharaun>that's pretty bad
11:08<pharaun>everyone else is probably frantically praying to whatever $diety that they believe for the server to go through
11:08<JshWright>I haven't had a page load in 20 minutes
11:09<djoe>maybe the lesson there is "don't be greedy"
11:09<JshWright>interestingly, both orders that went through were for less than $100
11:09<ubuntuisloved>JshWright, maybe they figured it was this or nothing
11:10<djoe>ya think?
11:10<JshWright>ubuntuisloved: well, anything over $100 would involve additional payment processing... more stuff to fail
11:10<mwalling>anyone gotten through?
11:10<ubuntuisloved>they are suggesting to turn off images but fail to realize the 200K people hitting F5 wont help either
11:10<pharaun>not me
11:10<pharaun>i got one page to go
11:11<JshWright>nope, I'm still on shopping_cart.php
11:11<pharaun>but shopping cart is dead
11:11*mwalling too
11:11<ubuntuisloved>---> "submit this order to try for the free day discount!" clickclickclickclcik
11:11<pharaun>css and images are failing
11:11<pharaun>374 items now
11:12<pharaun>aw yes
11:12<pharaun>i got in
11:12<pharaun>now time to find my account, no hurry considering how fast its failing
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11:12<jforman>jed: i was looking at those a while ago, are you able to make a stupid/simple WAP out of them?
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11:16<pharaun>ssl... -_-
11:16<Nivex>jed: you know most smart people did that last night :)
11:16<maushu>The site died?
11:17<pharaun>Nivex: i thought about it too but was busy :(
11:17<HoopyCat>quick, ddos them to refill their entopy bukkets
11:17<ubuntuisloved>2200+ nicks wow
11:17<maushu>It's idiocrasy turned real.
11:17<pharaun>it spilt into two channel
11:17<pharaun>sparkfun-discussion and sparkfun
11:17<pharaun>oh 1k now?
11:17<djoe>how many orders?
11:18<JshWright>I can't even get checkout_shipping to load
11:19<TheFirst>JshWright: same here
11:20*amitz just shakes his head...
11:20<mwalling>is it downwown?
11:20<mwalling>i cant ping it
11:21*ubuntuisloved wonders who is DDosing the site I cant do shit
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11:21<pharaun>ubuntuisloved: your mom
11:21<ubuntuisloved>pharaun, I want my order to go through mom you bitch
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11:22<djoe>haha, ubuntuisloved, you crack me up
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11:22<ubuntuisloved>djoe, I quit comedy to be here in linode all day but the pay is not so good
11:23<amitz>I just wonder if you guys will manage to check out :-D
11:23<pharaun>i wonder if it will be all out by the end of this hour
11:23<pharaun>but at this rate....
11:23<pharaun>who the fuck knows
11:23<amitz>perhaps the greed will make _nobody_ a winner :-D
11:24<pharaun>amitz: $2785 of winners :-p
11:24<pharaun>sure does not sound like *nobody* to me :-p
11:24<TheFirst>35 minutes before i'm stuck in meeting hell...checkout damn you! checkout!
11:24<amitz>pharaun: you mean that's the amount checked out, with billing address, etc?
11:25<pharaun>amitz: i believe so
11:25<pharaun>they started 10 min early it seems...
11:27<JshWright>1:26 <+simonrichards150> my god, dont tell me keep-alive is off?!
11:27<JshWright>umm... yeah...?
11:27<chiisai>aww :( I didn't know about this, so I don't have an account or shopping cart full of products ready. might as well give up already.
11:27<TheFirst>jed: and how is it you're getting the pages to load consistently?
11:28<TheFirst>multiple tabs ain't doin' carp
11:28<pharaun>i can't get anything to post
11:29<ubuntuisloved>my page just loaded and says 2852.29 given away so far :(
11:29<mwalling>fuck it, i'll just give them $100 later
11:29<mwalling>i need to work
11:29<pharaun>3.4k now
11:30<Peng>So, are they running on a Linode 360? :D
11:30<TheFirst>captcha crap too? blah!
11:30<pharaun>indeed it would
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11:30<JshWright>I'd rather go with two 360's for this...
11:30<pharaun>4k now
11:30<Peng>jed: Ahh, they must be at a competitor. :)
11:31<TheFirst>jed: partner with them next them how to really administer a server :P
11:31<JshWright>Peng: they're on a dedicated box (boxen?)
11:31<mwalling>Peng: no, they self host on dells
11:31<mwalling>JshWright: 5
11:31<ubuntuisloved>lol dells
11:31<Peng>mwalling: You mean "dell", singular.
11:31<mwalling>dont tell me what i mean
11:31<JshWright>Seriously? they're on 5 dedicated boxes and choking on this?
11:31<chiisai>they should've use for static stuff just today.
11:31<pharaun>5 dedicated server?
11:32<ubuntuisloved>dell sucks
11:32<mwalling>ubuntuisloved: how so?
11:32<pharaun>should've just bought like 50000 node on EC2 or something
11:32<ubuntuisloved>because i cant place my damn order
11:32<mwalling>ubuntuisloved: thats your problem. i place dell orders just fine
11:32<ubuntuisloved>mwalling, lol. everything sucks right now
11:33<TheFirst>jed: still at the create account?
11:33<TheFirst>you got company...i'm there too
11:33<HoopyCat>i've seen people roll STis on dry roads... the equipment isn't 100% of the equation :-)
11:34<ubuntuisloved>HoopyCat, I'm blaming everything and everyone at this point
11:34<JshWright>HoopyCat: in fact, the equipment makes it all the more embarrassing in this case
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11:34<pharaun>what the hell is STis?
11:34<HoopyCat>pharaun: subaru impreza wrx sti
11:35<pharaun>HoopyCat: ah
11:35<HoopyCat>buncha impressive adjectives
11:36<pharaun>er nm 6k now
11:36<JshWright>jed: is the account creation page?
11:36<JshWright>figure I might as well trying loading that too...
11:37*TheFirst gets the feeling that captcha is going to make that page a PITA
11:37<ubuntuisloved>says --> <RoHS> if for some crazy reason people want to donate to IT hmmm how about a free linode server for one day next year
11:37<pharaun>honestly if i don't get a item
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11:37<pharaun>i'll still be happy to be part of a "legit" ddos ;)
11:37<JshWright>jed: I think that's called "hardly working"
11:38<JshWright>pharaun: I think I would label this "Customer-assisted suicide"
11:38<JshWright>or perhaps "servercide"
11:38<TheFirst>JshWright: assited suicide? to jail with y'all!
11:38<TheFirst>er assisted
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11:39<jetlag>haha "Something broke."
11:39<jetlag>...not to worry. We've logged this error and will be looking into it, but please don't hesitate to mail and complain.
11:39*ubuntuisloved gives up screw your 100 dollars
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11:41<TheFirst>the irony that you run a promo to attract more business but instead will probably have less due to a dead server
11:41<HoopyCat>it'll be better tomorrow ;-)
11:42<Sparkesinator>OH FUCK YES
11:42<Sparkesinator>extra weeek to do agm
11:42<Sparkesinator>ooops sorry
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11:43<pharaun>i'm giving up
11:43<TheFirst>stupid create account page >:|
11:43*HoopyCat has a sudden craving for kool-aid
11:43<pharaun>i just wanted an AVR board
11:43<pharaun>oh well, i'll grab one next week after everything has calmed the fuck down
11:44<linbot>jed: This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
11:44<JshWright>I finally got create_account to load
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11:44<TheFirst>JshWright: good luck posting it ...
11:44<JshWright>TheFirst: heh, yeah
11:45<mwalling>still waiting for checkout shipping
11:45<TheFirst>mine did the post/white page ....waiting for it to reload to redo it all now :/
11:46<pharaun>meh i gave up
11:46<pharaun>i'll get my AVR board next week
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11:50<chiisai>(17:49:45) <@Frencil> ATTN ALL: the first 100 orders for free day have been placed
11:50<chiisai>two orders per minute
11:51<rb>Apart from our _own_ bug reports @ the linode Support link, is there a link that tracks current bug-work (suspected, inprogress, etc etc)?
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11:52<HoopyCat>rb: bugs? like, linode internal bugs?
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11:53<a24as>Is there a money back guarantee for purchases
11:54<JshWright>7 days, after that it's prorated
11:54*HedgeMage peeks in
11:54<a24as>ok and is there a way i can modify the plans they have set up?
11:54<HedgeMage>a24as: there are extras you can add
11:54<JshWright>yep, you can upgrade/downgrade at any time, and there are extras you can add
11:54<linbot>Available Add-ons: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP: $ 1 per IP/month
11:54<HedgeMage>there we go
11:55<a24as>Ok... so I can take the cheapest plan and add lots of memory cause all i want is a ton of RAM
11:55<a24as>No need for much transfer or disk space
11:55<JshWright>a24as: the most cost effective way to get lots of ram is to go with a big plan
11:55<bliblok>You can, but getting a plan with enough RAM will be just as cheap.
11:55<JshWright>at the point where you're adding enough RAM to equal the next plan, it's cheaper to his the next plan directly
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11:56<rb>HoopyCat e.g., I reported a pvgrub (maybe)bug. caker in here suggested that it IS a bug. i know dev team's looking at it. just wondering if MY bug is the only/best place to track it, or whether there's "pending/active issues" bugzilla, or somecuh
11:57<rb>er ... somesuch
11:57<a24as>I am a linux noob... will i use putty to connect to this vps?
11:57<HoopyCat>rb: not that i know of, aside from the forums... i do know a new pvgrub was deployed about a week ago
11:58<a24as>or can you use a cpanel
11:58<JshWright>a24as: you're getting a linux box with an internet connection
11:58<JshWright>how you connect to it is up to you (ssh is a fairly common way)
11:58<rb>HoopyCat Heh. Yes, hence the suspected problem ;-)
11:58<HoopyCat>a24as: you can buy cpanel from if you wish
11:59<HoopyCat>rb: ah. :-)
11:59<a24as>ok thanks.. fast service here lol. i will be purchasing this after i get back from lunch. later
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12:00<HoopyCat>hmmm, lunch...
12:00<JshWright>I just got a kit-kat from the vending machine
12:00<JshWright>that'll probably do for lunch today
12:00<amitz>so... hmm... let me get this straight. Jed got a bunch of 8 grand stuff for free?
12:00<a24as>ha.. im thinking panera bread
12:01<ericoc>i just ate breakfast
12:01<HoopyCat>amitz: no, other people got $8k worth of stuff; we're still loading
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12:02<a24as>Why is slicehost two times the price as linode for a plan but less locations and features etc?
12:02<HoopyCat>note to self: don't use sparkfun to distribute pandemic vaccine
12:02<JshWright>a24as: slicehost doesn't compete on price
12:02<@caker>nor anything else :)
12:02<amitz>HoopyCat: oh...
12:02<HoopyCat>a24as: FANATICAL support
12:02<rb>HoopyCat just took a look thru forums. Looks like our own tickets @ support is "it".
12:02<JshWright>I don't know what they compete _on_, but they say the don't comptete on price...
12:03<djoe>slicehost is pretty solid
12:03<amitz>I must say I find linoders a lot more fanatic, both in support and attitude ;-)
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12:03<HoopyCat>rb: well, you could post something, esp. if you have a workaround ;-)
12:03<ericoc>i had slicehost for like a week before i heard of linode, then switched asap... slicehosts' archlinux image was pretty broken
12:03<mwalling>greedy money grubbing sellouts
12:03*djoe shrugs
12:03<djoe>rapidxen/systeminplace and prgmr, however . . .
12:03<a24as>lol i see we aren't biased here :)
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12:04<mwalling>a24as: what do you expect
12:04<JshWright>My only contact with slicehost is the rackspace abuse desk (who I've had to educate on whether or not they're responsible for a given IP)
12:04<djoe>which is why I'm here: I plan to move to linode to give two independent providers
12:05<rb>HoopyCat already posted the *suspected* workaround, with referencd patches @ my ticket :-) Limits to what I can veerify, as I have no Dom0 access ... currently @ 'sit on my hands and wait' stage while the 'wizzerds' do their thing ...
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12:05<HoopyCat>rb: fair 'nuf :-)
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12:06<mwalling>excessive use of @, 10 yard penalty, first down
12:06<rb>mwalling what yardline am i @?
12:07<pharaun>got me some bbq pulled pork... yum
12:07<pharaun>btw what's the status on sparkfun?
12:07<HoopyCat>urmom doesn't fit on a football field, but she isn't limited to four downs
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12:07<mwalling>have to be able to load the page to see
12:08<HoopyCat>pharaun: loading.......
12:08<pharaun>oh dear
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12:10<pharaun>oh its 20k
12:10<pharaun>according to another channel
12:10<pharaun>btw a quick question about linode
12:10<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
12:11*HedgeMage peeks in
12:11<pharaun>haha yeah
12:11<pharaun>if i get a second linode in a different datacenter
12:11<pharaun>there will be normal bw charges for my private network between the linode?
12:11*amitz peeks in general direction while shaking his head.
12:11<JshWright>there is no private network between them
12:11<pharaun>i know that if they are in the same datacenter there's no limit/charge for the private inter linode
12:11<HedgeMage>pharaun: yes, because you don't have a private network between them
12:11<pharaun>so that private network is only for *same* datacenter?
12:12<amitz>pharaun: yeah. And you have to explicitly route to that private ip.
12:12<HedgeMage>pharaun: the "private" is private in that it never leaves the DC, or even the cage really, so Linode doesn't pay for it. It is just between virtual machines on the same hardware, or different hardware in the same cage.
12:12<pharaun>yeah thought so
12:12<pharaun>thanks :)
12:12<HedgeMage>pharaun: It's not so much private as very, very local.
12:13<pharaun>just wasn't 100% for sure
12:13<pharaun>cos i recall hearing something about that
12:13<pharaun>sure is going going
12:13<HedgeMage>mwalling: wtf?
12:13<pharaun>HedgeMage: sparkfun
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12:13<mwalling>HedgeMage: free day
12:13<pharaun>that matches the other channel, 20k now
12:13<amitz>woah, great progress. 80% more to go.
12:13<pharaun>in um a hour and 10 minute
12:14<HedgeMage>mwalling: huh?
12:14<mwalling>HedgeMage: sparkfun is doing "free day"
12:14<jetlag>I'm guessing I'm not going to be able to create an account today.
12:14<pharaun>i wanted a $139 AVR board
12:14<mwalling>jetlag: you were told to do it before today
12:14<pharaun>but i'll do that next week, no biggie
12:14<pharaun>just would've been nice to do it today
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12:14<pharaun>already had an account ready and everything but meh
12:14<HoopyCat>yeah, i don't know what you people without accounts/carts were thinking
12:15*mwalling looks at jed
12:15<pharaun>i got a cart and an account but -_-
12:15<pharaun>it was failing to even enter checkout mode
12:15<pharaun>so i gave up
12:16<pharaun>they sure asked for it
12:16<pharaun>should've used multiple 14k linode heh
12:16<pharaun>who the hell uses those anyway i'm curious
12:16<pharaun>cos i just got a 360 myself
12:16<mwalling>Coworker: Maybe this was their plan all along? Everyone will get Slashdotted out and the $100,000 will "magically" go away?
12:17<pharaun>haha, sounds like a good plan to me :-p
12:17*HoopyCat dons foil hat
12:17<pharaun>speaking of slashdot, wonders if they got an article up yet on sparkfun #fail
12:17<mwalling>good press, server load testing, and limit their losses
12:18<JshWright>I think I just created an account...
12:18<pharaun>nope, nothing
12:18<JshWright>" might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address."
12:18<mwalling>JshWright uses chrome!
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12:19<amitz>Let;s just wait of testimonials of people who actually got any free items.
12:19<HedgeMage>mwalling: wtf is sparkfun?
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12:19<mwalling>HedgeMage: hobby electronics retailer in US
12:20<JshWright>and now I'm logged in... woot
12:20<mwalling>oh, i thought you were a .au
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12:21<JshWright>now I'm just getting blank pages
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12:23<pharaun>f5 f5
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12:26<mwalling>should i wait for the timeout before refreshing, or does it not help any
12:27<pharaun>no idea, i waited for timeout
12:28<amitz>mwalling: in my embarrasingly extensive experience with shitty internet connection, refreshing before time out works better.
12:29<amitz>but that will screw everybody else :-p
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12:29<pharaun>its the internets, screw everyone else ;)
12:29<amitz>load first, then refresh once. The second and more consecutive refresh doen't help much :-p
12:32<JshWright>jed: you suck
12:33<amitz>Intensity all your refresh to screw jed, NOW!!
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12:33<pharaun>amitz: naw just activate the perl scripts
12:33<pharaun>to randomly refresh/request stuff from sparkfun :-p
12:33<pharaun>automated screwing
12:34<mwalling>coworker is browsing the http:// site fine
12:35<pharaun>not surprised, probably the ssl/etc that is choking the server too
12:35<amitz>pharaun: nice :-D
12:35<JshWright>most of checkout_shipping is loaded for me, just not the button to click to continue...
12:35<amitz>JshWright: maybe... guess the button :-p
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12:36<pharaun>but that sure zoomed up fast
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12:36<pharaun>20k in a hour 10 min, to 68k in hour 30 min damn
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12:37<pharaun>btw http isn't working
12:37<mwalling>i'm f'd
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12:37<amitz>jed is secretly using hosts :-D
12:37<vulcan>I keep getting stuck on checkout_process
12:37<JshWright>I wonder if I just skip to checkout_process if it'll just go with the defaults
12:38<vulcan>I've gotten to checkout_confirmation about 50 times now
12:39<amitz>jed: oh, you did it?
12:39<amitz>the final feat successfully?
12:41<pharaun>i was going to do that
12:42<chiisai>I still haven't been able to create an account
12:42<amitz>jed: congrats! :-D
12:42<mwalling>getting there
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12:44<stanix>I keep seeing the sftp upload transfer rate clipped at about 300 KB/sec. no matter what I do. Anybody knows the scoop?
12:44<amitz>stanix: large enough file?
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12:45<stanix>interestingly enough, when I do a 10 thread upload of small files, the transfer rate does go up to normal
12:45<stanix>but when I do a single thread, it is 300 KB and precisely clipped at that rate
12:46<jetlag>aw fudge it's over
12:46<mwalling>[01-07] 12:46:21 [*] brennen changed the topic of #sparkfun to: :: Free Day Kaput
12:46<vulcan>woot I got in at the last minute :D
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12:47<pharaun>man that was nutz
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12:47<pharaun>1 hour 47 minute to game over
12:48<pharaun>will be funny if the site return to normal now
12:48<jetlag>sparkfail :|
12:48<pharaun>jetlag: if it was sparksuccess
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12:48<pharaun>that 100k would've be gone in 10 minute
12:48<pharaun>or even seconds
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13:10<mwalling>thats kind of what i was expecting
13:11<mwalling>i think $Work had enough people that we choked our border proxy and so we lost
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13:13<linbot>New news from forums: [Solved] SPF Records in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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13:57<atourino>grumble grumble *sparkfun* *grumble*
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14:06<mwalling>is it faster now?
14:06<straterra>Website done?
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14:08<linbot>New news from forums: When will Linode move to SSD? in General Discussion <>
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14:09<Guest1131>so I didn't see this in the faq, and i figure the answer is yes, but i figure it doesn't hurt to ask: can I easily upgrade / downgrade a linode vps to different plans as needed?
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14:11<mwalling>all you have to do is click a button
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14:15*atourino clicks urmom's buttons
14:16<atourino>missed out on $100 in free electronics...
14:16<atourino>oh well
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14:17<Damian>Hi, random question about billing. If I create a new 360 install the os and software can I then use the disk image on my current 360 and cancel the second 360 subscription and only be billed for the 2/3hours I need to second instanse? (I'm trying to do a OS change with the least downtime)
14:17<JshWright>Damian: it's prorated to the day
14:17<sorressean>I'm debating setting up a server where users can register and run a service. Besides the installation of quotatools, what else might I need to limit what they can and can't do? I'm mainly worried about ddos and stuff like that. I can use ulimit to limit their memory and stuff, and allow them one inbobounbound port via iptables, what else is suggested?
14:17<JshWright>still looking at less than a dollar
14:18<mwalling>65 cents
14:18<Damian>JshWright: Ah thanks :D thats works out well :)
14:18<mwalling>Damian: you'll need to clone the image back to the original linode
14:18<mwalling>you cant magicly mount one linode's image from another (since they could be on different hosts)
14:18<Damian>Yeah, as long as I make the second in the same dc I can do a straight clone though can't I?
14:18<mwalling>dont even need to be in the same dc
14:19<Damian>Cool :)
14:19<Damian>This is why I love linode :D
14:19<sorressean>I just want to set it up so that I'm secure, and protected from retarded script kiddies
14:20<Nivex>retarded script kiddies are easy to block
14:20<Nivex>it's the slightly intelligent ones you have to worry about
14:21*sorressean grins
14:21<sorressean>well, what precautions does a normal server take when offering a service like this to prevent dos attacks being ran from shell and such?
14:21*Damian lols
14:22<Damian>sorressean: Your looking at process limits and stuff to stop fork bombs
14:22<sorressean>via ulimit?
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14:40<ubuntuisloved>mwalling, jed, did you guys get your orders in?
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14:40<mwalling>jed did
14:41<innociv>What can I use to figure out what is actually using up all my bandwidth? I have 8.4GB in and 3.8GB out when I'd expect wayyyy more outgoing.
14:41<innociv>in the past day, those numbers are.
14:42<straterra>ethernet shield?
14:42<innociv>for ubuntu
14:42<ubuntuisloved>jed, could you mail it to me I promise to give it back *cross's fingers*
14:42<mwalling>i'm just oging to pay retail and get my xbee's
14:42<mwalling>and maybe an ID-12
14:43<JshWright>I was less than impressed by Sparkfun today...
14:43<mwalling>they knew what they were in for
14:43<JshWright>if you're going to have an event like that, you really should make sure you can actually deal with it
14:44<mwalling>would have been an EC2 success story
14:44<Nivex>sad thing is, they probably thought they could. or the drastically underestimated the power of the nerds
14:44<adj>or overestimated the nerds running their site
14:44<mwalling>the nerds running their site kept wanting donations
14:44<JshWright>adj: I suspect that's the root of the problem
14:44<mwalling>(RoHS asked for donations several times)
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14:47<JshWright>"We had over 1,000 orders and nearly over 70,000 unique visitors. Our servers barely stayed up!"
14:48<JshWright>along with: "Our sincerest apologies to all who came but were not able to get the discount."
14:48<JshWright>missing the discount didn't bother me... wasting my time did
14:49<Damian>^ agreed
14:50<straterra>Management making IT decisions..and my push over CIO letting them
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14:51<JshWright>straterra: perhaps your CIO agrees with them
14:51<atourino>jed you sonoma... :P congrats! at least someone here got in on the action
14:52<straterra>JshWright: He prolly does
14:52*atourino agrees with urmom
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15:01<vulcan>how do I change the owner and gid of a directory and all its contents?
15:01<sorressean>chown -R user:group dir
15:03<linbot>New news from forums: Disk I/O -- What is a "bad" number? in Performance and Tuning <>
15:03<ubuntuisloved>mwalling, my ubuntu had sparkfun irc loaded but minimized while at lunch I've since closed the entire channel about 3 hours ago and yet still the alerts in ubuntu on the top right are still throwing off the #sparkfun comments
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15:04<HoopyCat>my ubuntu has a first name
15:04<ubuntuisloved>HoopyCat, hey you want a tiger kitten
15:05<straterra>HoopyCat: s-h-i-t-t-y ?
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15:05<HoopyCat>ubuntuisloved: i already have a tabby eating my packing tape
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15:15<randallman>ayone else coping with the fallout from the buggy SA rules>?
15:15<randallman>that broke when Jan 1 2010 hit?
15:16<randallman>I've got over 10,000 incoming mails taht were quarantined that would have otherwise not been quarantined
15:16<randallman>and 50 outbound messages...
15:16<HoopyCat>sheesh, that was a week ago, wasn't it?
15:17<jtsage>why did 2010 hit? i still haven't seen a decent explanation of what they screwed up...
15:18<HoopyCat>jtsage: if the year in the date header is 2010 or later, it's obviously bogus
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15:19<jtsage>ahh. so just an outdated rule that noone noticed. that makes sense.
15:19<randallman>HoopyCat, yeah well
15:19<djoe>I think that's the "BY 2010 ALL EMAIL WILL BE SPAM" rule.
15:19<HoopyCat>jtsage: the future is now!
15:19<randallman>We've been busy :)
15:19<djoe>not far off, really.
15:19<TheFirst>i haven't noticed any more mail getting quarantined that normal and haven't had any false positives in over a year
15:20<HoopyCat>djoe: yeah, actually...
15:20<randallman>TheFirst, if you were using a slightly dated set of sa rules :)
15:20<jtsage>how bout the bank card thing in germany? i've seen plenty of articles on the fact that they did screw up, but just not how. (/me can't wait for the 2038 thing to start cropping up)
15:20<randallman>whats this?
15:21<TheFirst>randallman: don't care if they're outdated...they _work_ :P
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15:21<atourino>just like urmom
15:22<randallman>TheFirst, check for the past y2010 bug :0
15:22<jtsage>randallman- the 2038 thing? epoch > MAX_INT (unsigned anyway). i don't recal the exact date
15:22<randallman>ebcause it adds 3.384 to the score
15:22<randallman>jtsage, of course - unix dies in 2038 :) but seriously, the bank cards are associated?
15:22<steffan>what is the policy on running tor exits on a linode?
15:23<HoopyCat>steffan: you're responsible for any and all abuse; the tor boilerplate, to the best of my knowledge, is not an acceptable excuse
15:24<jtsage>my guess is that they fixed the 2k thing with a (if year < 10: set prefix = 20; else set prefix = 19) and forgot about it
15:24<Nivex>>>> print time.ctime(sys.maxint)
15:24<Nivex>Mon Jan 18 22:14:07 2038
15:24<HoopyCat>Nivex: always with the mondays
15:24<Nivex>HoopyCat: universal constant
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15:25<jtsage>i assume by 2038 we'll all have computers implanted in our brains, and when epoch rolls maxint, we will all turn into zombies... (and people say my zombie preparedness kit is useless... you'll see)
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15:26<Nivex>that is a line I will not cross. I like computers. I've devoted my life to them. I won't become one though.
15:26<steffan>jed: sure I understand that, is there a policy somewhere on whether it is actually allowed or not?
15:26<Dianoga>jtsage: your kit is only useful if you aren't a zombie
15:26<mwalling>jtsage: in the 50's they assumed we'd have flying cars
15:26<Dianoga>And I'm guessing most people here would be the ones with computers in their brains
15:26<HoopyCat>in the 90's they assumed we'd have flying cars
15:26<mwalling>(including urmom)
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15:26<bd_>Dianoga: The kit includes a NTP server configured to set itself to a safe value on power-on ;)
15:27<mwalling>HoopyCat: popular mechanics does not count
15:27<Nivex>we already have flying cars. They're called private planes
15:27<HoopyCat>Dianoga: ehhh, depends on the computer. no windows, that's for sure
15:27<Nivex>it's just that there are actually sane requirements on becoming licensed to operate one
15:28<HoopyCat>NTP would be nice
15:28<Nivex>so not every drunken schmoe can get in one and do damage
15:28<jtsage>mwalling- yes, and i'm still waiting for my flying car.
15:28<jcy>stupid question time: what's the latest and greatest mail package out there now for centos and works w/ my apache server
15:28<HoopyCat>Nivex: i want automation, so i can be a drunken schmoe and still get home from the space pub
15:28<jcy>for webmail
15:28<steffan>jed: thank you
15:28<jtsage>Dianoga- or, it could be used to make me a super-zombie, impervious to other people with zombie preparedness kits...
15:28<TheFirst>jcy: you already answered your own question...the one that works ;)
15:29<Nivex>ahh webmail, what a sticky little wicket
15:29<HoopyCat>centos? latest and greatest? :-)
15:30<Nivex>latest & greatest == NULL // Choose one
15:30<jcy>maybe i'll just say screw webmail, but i thought i'd give it a try
15:30<jcy>ok, greatest then, heh
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15:30<Nivex>is the latest
15:30<Nivex>squirrelmail is pretty time tested
15:31<Nivex>(my opinion... others may vary)
15:31<HoopyCat>Nivex: some versions of roundcube include remote administration capability, too
15:32<jcy>mmmm, roundcube looks like they don't have native support for centos
15:32<TheFirst>i use the horde suite ... it works pretty well
15:32<Nivex>HoopyCat: where other remote parties administer your box for you?
15:32<TheFirst>hasn't roundcube had quite a few exploits for it recently?
15:32<Nivex>TheFirst: that's what HoopyCat and I were getting at in a rather snarky sort of way
15:33<HoopyCat>jcy: you can probably find a third-party repo with it, but centos kinda lags in popular software support
15:34<jcy>any suggestions on plain vanilla pop/imap
15:34<TheFirst>and as I check for updates for horde and see there's a crap ton I curse the pain in the ass it is to update
15:35<vulcan>debian lenny.... why do I have httpd.conf /and/ apache2.conf
15:35<Dianoga>vulcan: backwards compatability
15:36<jcy>is apache2.conf under conf.d
15:36<Nivex>jcy: dovecot
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15:36<jcy>Nivex thanks, i might just go w/ that and tell ppl to forget about webmail
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15:37<Nivex>jcy: once you get dovecot's IMAP going, give squirrelmail a whirl. It doesn't have a lot of bling, but it is handy.
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15:39<jcy>i find it sort of promising that i found linode in time for this new decade
15:39<jcy>makes me feel like things will be good if they start off well
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15:43<jcy>for windows, is thunderbird a decent imap client
15:43<jcy>i don't think i'll be recommending MS outlook for imap
15:45<HoopyCat>jcy: i used it and liked it
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15:45<TheFirst>thunderbird is alright ... can't beat ssh+mutt, though :)
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15:46<jcy>thanks HoopyCat, your endorsement is good enough for me :-P
15:46<linbot>New news from forums: Help installing Postfix on CentOS - Null Client in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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15:55<HoopyCat>jcy: i do miss tho... used that a long time ago
15:55<jcy>$40 for a pop e.mail client
15:56<jcy>open source software has completely spoiled me
15:57<vulcan>what would be a good subdomain name for a personal wiki?
15:57<vulcan> is just kinda borring
15:57<sorressean>make it origenal!
15:57<atourino>what about
15:58<TheFirst>how about
15:58<kronos003>wtf - my server keeps locking up - how do i figure out whats knocking it down
15:59<HoopyCat>kronos003: watch the console via lish, check the logs, define "down", etc
15:59<atourino>jcy: there are lots of commercial software out there totally worth the price they ask for... there is good software in both camps open source and commercial closed source...
15:59<Alan>I always forget this: is it when some other linode user is SSH brute-forcing my server?
16:00<HoopyCat>jcy: it was awesome back in the day, you betcha
16:00<HoopyCat>Alan: when in doubt, whois the IP and it'll be in there (for most values of IP). but yes.
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16:01<vulcan>how about
16:02<HoopyCat> <-- yay, i'm not the only crazy person!
16:02<kronos003>HoopyCat: looks like firewall logging got turned back on
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16:03<HoopyCat>kronos003: that'll keep the console lively
16:03<jcy>"The first issue was resources — a $20/month Linode doesn’t have many, and the VPS ran out of memory while trying to compile the kernel."
16:03<purrdeta>I do that with asterisk... HoopyCat ...
16:03-!-Clooth is now known as Clooth|away
16:04<jcy>why didn't he just upsize for a day or so and then go back
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16:04<purrdeta>but im crazy so *shrug*
16:04<bd_>huh, OOM building a kernel? I've done -j4 builds of the kernel on a 360 lots of times without any problems...
16:04-!-Clooth|away is now known as Clooth
16:04<bd_>what was he running in the background?
16:05<@caker>also, why the pain of running a debian kernel, I wonder. Ours are HZ=1000 by default
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16:05<HoopyCat>caker: dahdi
16:05<Alan>I've had MySQL OOM-killed on a 360 :(
16:05<Alan>I blame WordPress, not having caching turned on, and getting spidered by a search engine...
16:06<HoopyCat>caker: with conferencing, pick your pain source
16:06<@caker>mysql can OOM anything if configured to
16:06*atourino OOMs urmom
16:06<HoopyCat>purrdeta: i stopped keeping my modules up
16:06*purrdeta heads off to the radio station
16:08<jcy>that's a really brutal captcha at the bottom of that article
16:08<rogi>jcy: why?
16:09<jcy>i didn't refresh but for me, that 2nd word is almost impossible to read
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16:10<rogi>jcy: Oh right, the one I have is simple.
16:11<rogi>'I’ll try to post here again soon with the actual steps needed to get this working' - bet he doesn't.
16:12<HoopyCat>yeah, that shit'll get you NSL'd
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16:13<HoopyCat>National Security Letter. i've said too much
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16:15*rogi has forgotten why he dropped by
16:17<rogi>Oh, yeah, SA quarantining stuff as 2010 is too far in the future
16:18*rogi scrolls up
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16:21<rogi>Hmm. So SpamAssassin has a rule that says 2010 is too far in the future to not be spam.
16:22*rogi sighs and heads over to SA to whinge
16:25<warewolf>rogi: old news
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16:27<schmichael>anyone ever seen mail from bin@localhost on a debian server before?
16:27<schmichael>i can't find any processes running as bin or owned by bin
16:28<schmichael>afaict bin (uid 2) only exists for backward compat
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16:30<schmichael>jed: not sure, helping a friend
16:30<rogi>warewolf: so i see.
16:30<schmichael>i'll try to get more details
16:32<jcy>maybe some people have too aggressive a threshold for spam scoring
16:33<spkitty>i just let google apps handle all my mail for me
16:33<rogi>jed:it scores 3.4 points and I have SA set to flag at 3.5 so it's a pretty high score for me. :)
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16:33<jcy>does google apps have a directory yet
16:34<jcy>or does everyone still need to have a local address book
16:34<spkitty>no directory afaik
16:35<jcy>see i consider that to be a huge gap in their feature set esp. if you're paying for mail hosting
16:36<spkitty>hmm, i wonder if the paid version has any feature upgrades other than just getting rid of the number of accounts limitations
16:36<Null_>and no ads
16:36<rogi>jed: seems so - '3.4 FH_DATE_PAST_20XX The date is grossly in the future.'
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16:37<randallman>It was 3.384 for me
16:38<randallman>and I kill at 8
16:38<randallman>tag at 4
16:38<randallman>so I ust had to run a report of all e-mail that was 11.384 or less
16:38<randallman>and I'm being told I will have to re-inject that mail into the system
16:38<randallman>z o m g
16:38<rogi>jed: No that particular (random) mail has SPF_PASS too (points 0.0)
16:38<randallman>so of that 11,000 messages that were mal-quarantined
16:39<randallman>of which about 80% are still spam
16:39<randallman>so users are going to get rapid fire spams :)
16:39<jcy>hell yeah they should
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16:43<rogi>jed: I'm surprised too, but not as surprised as I was when I checked the spam folders earlier.
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16:46<rogi>Think I might try switching SA for greylisting and see what happens.
16:46<rogi>No, wait, that's a stupid idea.
16:46*rogi decides not to do that in a hurry
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16:48*vulcan is confused on how to setup a subdomain
16:48<vulcan>in the apache config
16:49<jcy>are you using named based virtual hosts
16:49<jcy>then isn't the server name just
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16:51<vulcan><VirtualHost *:80> </VirtualHost>
16:51<vulcan>w/ documentroot and servername?
16:51<jcy>yeah it's own entry
16:52<jcy>i think throwing in ssl really messes things up tho
16:52<vulcan>what about the error logs and stuff?
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16:52<vulcan>like do I need to define that again?
16:52<vulcan>seems really awkward
16:52<jtsage>vulcan- yes, particularly if you want them to go somewhere else
16:53<vulcan>let me explain what I'm trying to do I guess.
16:54<vulcan>or better,
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16:55<jtsage>vulcan- it'll work. off hand, i have no idea where access/error log entries for will go, but it should answer requests
16:55<jtsage>although, you should have <VirtualHost *:80> there instead iirc
16:55<vulcan>I forgot to change that
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16:57<jtsage>vulcan- and i assume you pointed a dns record of some type for to that machine? (cname or a works fine)
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17:04<JoeK>!dig nsinfo
17:04<linbot>JoeK: [dig] status: NXDOMAIN | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION . 86400 IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. 2010010700 1800 900 604800 86400
17:04<JoeK>amirite? >_>
17:04-!-mattly [] has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
17:04<JoeK>can anybody see what nameservers are hosting that (if any)?
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17:04<bob2>you can
17:04<bob2>dig ns
17:06<jcy>i decided on postfix for smtp for dovecot, sounds good?
17:06<JoeK>!dis ns
17:06<JoeK>!dig ns
17:06<linbot>JoeK: [dig] status: NXDOMAIN | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION com. 900 IN SOA 1262901962 1800 900 604800 86400
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17:06<HoopyCat>mmm postfix
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17:07<bob2>jcy: postfix isa good smtp server, dovecot is a nice imap server
17:08<JoeK>sendmail :D!
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17:15<jcy>i really like the little touches in linode manager: "yep delete this sucker" "no i was just kidding"
17:17-!-bithaze [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:17<HoopyCat>some call that unprofessional; i call that friendly and comforting
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17:18<@caker>PC LOAD LETTER
17:18<HoopyCat>as long as caker wore pants when writing that, it's professional
17:18<linbot>caker: It is possible.
17:18<thegodlikehobo>i suggest a change to "yep delete this kidder" and "no i was just sucking"
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17:21<spkitty>somebody actually complained in here once how unprofessional it was
17:21*bitmand like it
17:22<HoopyCat>i hacked git to only commit if the water heater has fired since midnight for at least 5 minutes while i've been /away
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17:22<straterra>mwalling: ping
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17:24<HoopyCat>hmm, i should munin the water heater... i bet i can use an arduino to check the voltage on the gas modulator
17:25<djoe>you so should
17:26*HoopyCat grabs the schematic
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17:26<vulcan>when I'm setting up a subdomain w/ virtual hosts can I have the error log be the same file?
17:26<@caker>with apache? yes
17:27<laser`>If you don't set an ErrorLog in the virtual hosts, it all goes to the main one
17:27<vulcan>theres a main one? lol
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17:28<laser`>Well whichever one is defined outside of a virtualhost
17:28<vulcan>what is serveralias, btw?
17:29<jcy>it's easily googleable
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17:32<morsing>jcy: Idiot
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17:32<@Perihelion>What was that? Lol
17:34<jcy>his /quit was an act of remorsing
17:34<@Perihelion>It just seemed random :P
17:35<jcy>i'm sure he had his reasons but i have no idea who he is
17:35<HoopyCat>"Warning: All other dip switches with the exception of dip switch No.1, shown in the diagram below, MUST NOT be altered. Unauthorized adjustments can cause property damage, personal injury, scalding, or death."
17:35<jcy>hacking a coffee maker?
17:36<HoopyCat>water heater... they're pretty serious about this whole anti-circuit-bending thing
17:37<mwalling>straterra: pong
17:38<mwalling>straterra: 10 minutes
17:38<HoopyCat>5 thermal fuses and an overheat switch in series
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17:40<jcy>is it just NOT possible at all to use SSL and name based virtual hosting, per this webpage: "Name-based virtual hosting cannot be used with SSL secure servers because of the nature of the SSL protocol."
17:40<mwalling>straterra: i'll send you a party when i get on
17:41<bd_>jcy: It is possible, but some clients (namely, ANYTHING on windows XP) don't support SNI
17:41<straterra>lemme get a dew n mic
17:41<bd_>jcy: And I don't think apache 1.3 supports SNI either
17:41<jcy>ok thanks bd_
17:41<mwalling>i gotta find my headset
17:41<jcy>i guess this means i have to request another ip from linode then
17:42<bd_>jcy: unless you have no windows xp users :)
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17:42<HoopyCat>flying cars vs. SNI: which will we see first?
17:42<mwalling>jcy: SSL hosting is considered a valid reason
17:42<jcy>when you specifically say win XP, do you mean to exclude vista and win7?
17:42<mwalling>jcy: so it just costs you a buckmonth
17:42<jcy>OMG NO!!!!
17:42<bd_>jcy: yes, vista and win7 should support SNI
17:43<mwalling>bd_: what about Win95B?
17:43<bd_>mwalling: Try it and see?
17:43<mwalling>is it available in MSDN?
17:43*jcy fires up vmware
17:43<bd_>mwalling: maybe?
17:43<mwalling>i know 2k isnt because of a java lawsuit
17:43*bd_ doesn't have a MSDN account :|
17:43<jcy>does MSDN still ship out those huge binders full of CD's
17:43<mwalling>jcy: no, its online now
17:44<HoopyCat>YES! a diagnosic point table with waveform descriptions! i love you, japan
17:44<mwalling>if you order MSVS VL it comes with cds in the binder page case
17:44<mwalling>straterra: going to find headset now, then i'll be on
17:44<HoopyCat>i have .edu MSDN if noone else does... i'd have to dig up my creds
17:47<straterra>i have msdn
17:47*KingTarquin does also
17:47<HoopyCat>water flow sensor B4, yellow-black, 4-7V, pulse 17-460Hz (off at 0.5 gal/min 23Hz, on at 0.63 gal/min 33Hz)
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17:48<HoopyCat>i have to eat dinner now, and then i start probing the water heater!
17:48<HoopyCat>... maybe. it's cold down there
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17:51<linbot>New news from forums: DNSSEC Support in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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18:11<squircle>msg linbot ftp
18:12<innociv>How do I monitor what particular script or what-have-you is using all my bandwidth?
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18:13<mig5>innociv: iftop might be useful
18:14<HoopyCat>iftop or ntop or other similar thing, cross-correlated against lsof and netstat -p
18:14<mig5>or netstat
18:14<mig5>yeah that one
18:15<squircle>iftop > ntop
18:16<HoopyCat>urmomtop > urdadbottom
18:16<maushu>me > u
18:16<SelfishMan>squircle: bad comparison since they are really for two completely different things
18:16<maushu>How childish.
18:17<mig5>childishness in IRC!
18:18<mig5>well now i've seen everything
18:19<maushu>mig5, not really. You have yet to see a 500 feet high hamster powered bunny controlled mech.
18:19<mig5>that is sooo 2009
18:20<squircle>it's barely 2010!
18:20<HoopyCat>2010 is less than 0.05% more
18:21<squircle>0.05% more what?
18:21<HoopyCat>more than last year
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18:22<maushu>Actually it's around 1,9%
18:23<maushu>I made the math. Trust me.
18:24<HoopyCat>it's metric math; you can tell by the comma
18:25<squircle>the metric system uses the comma?
18:25<squircle>i've been doing it wrong my entire life?
18:25<squircle>i know the french use the comma...
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18:36<jcy>ugh, i wish my new ip's were sequential </whine>
18:37<bob2>omg seo
18:38<HoopyCat>jcy: if you're willing to shake the whole pot up, you could probably get a straight
18:39<jcy>i don't want to seem like a difficult customer, so i'll probably just suffer in silence like an ignored housewife
18:42<squircle>jcy: i'm sure they'd rather have a difficult customer than an sad customer
18:43<jcy>probably but i'll forget all about it in about 5 minutes
18:44<squircle>question: is there any advantage to setting the geographical closest linode nameserver (in this case, ns4 in Cedar Knolls is closest to Newark) as the primary nameserver in my registrar's settings?
18:44<bob2>primary = thing listed in the SOA record
18:44<bob2>which no one cares about
18:45<bob2>anyone asking about your domain will get the full list of nameservers
18:45<bob2>and pick one
18:45<squircle>it won't just ask the first one by default?
18:45<squircle>won't give it a higher priority?
18:45<squircle>alright then
18:45<HoopyCat>squircle: there is no "first one"
18:46<SelfishMan>squircle: Odds are they will be returned in random order anyway
18:46<amitz>jcy: just like a housewife, kthxbye, amitz ruun.
18:46<squircle>alright, thanks
18:46<SelfishMan>Technically there is no definition of primary, secondary, tertiary, etc nameservers
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18:48<Peng>(It'll be more "arbitrary" than "random", but that's not the point... :D )
18:51<jcy>there's even a way to setup reverse DNS in the linode manager, these people are just on point, wth
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18:52<HoopyCat>jcy: don't look at the API ;-)
18:52<stringcheese>question: is there any way to reset the password when sshing into a server?
18:52<SelfishMan>Peng: "unordered" would be the proper definition if you are going to go all pedantic on me
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18:53<Peng>Huh, when I do NS requests, they're all in order.
18:53<HoopyCat>stringcheese: the root password can be reset via the dashboard
18:53<SelfishMan>Peng: They hould rotate the order in which they are provided
18:54<Peng>SelfishMan: They don't,.
18:54<Peng>Other things do, but NS does not.
18:54*Peng wonders if it's a DNSMasq peculiarity.
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18:54<SelfishMan>BIND has a specific directive to make it always return the same order all the time
18:54<Bohemian>anybody try out ec2?
18:54<SelfishMan>"order strict? or something like that
18:54<Peng>Or dig.
18:54<squircle>SelfishMan: strict-order
18:54<Bohemian>it's basically like a linode? get a server, set it up?
18:54<bob2>lots of people use ec2
18:54<Bohemian>i may need it for another project
18:55<jcy>oh HoopyCat i would have no idea what to do if i ever got ambitious enough to look at the API
18:55<Bohemian>bob2: what does it give you to start with?
18:55<Peng>Bohemian: EC2 is quite different from your average VPS provider.
18:55<SelfishMan>squircle: yeah, that sounds about right
18:55<Bohemian>how so? any good sites explaining the difference?
18:55<Peng>Bohemian: ...Probably a bunch.
18:55<jcy>ec2 is that amazon hosting right
18:55<SelfishMan>Bohemian: designed to serve different purposes
18:55<Peng>jcy: Uh-huh.
18:55<jcy>supposed to be super good or so i hear
18:55<Bohemian>yes, i know SelfishMan . but i need to know what the environment is like
18:56<SelfishMan>jcy: depends on what you are using it for
18:56<stringcheese>HoopyCat: is there a specific tab or link? I'm looking at the dashboard right now but I don't see anything.
18:56<Bohemian>i think for this one project ec2 and s3 is better
18:56<SelfishMan>EC2 is targetted more towards horizontal scalability and guaranteed CPU resources for heavy processing
18:57<jcy>what hardware do they host ec2 on? giant clusters?
18:57<SelfishMan>many of the image and video processing sites will ship the data off to EC2 work nodes to generate the actual content and then ship it back to the site or stash it on S3
18:57<HoopyCat>stringcheese: ... "Change a Filesystem's root Password" :-)
18:57<Peng>jcy: Lots and lots of hardware.
18:57<mwalling>straterra: you dont realize you suck until you suck
18:57<stringcheese>forgive me, i'm slow today :P
18:58<Peng>jcy: Not sure how many details are public. But...x86 and/or x86-64, yes.
18:58<Bohemian>SelfishMan: so you get a node like linode to host the actual website?
18:58<HoopyCat>jcy: that's the thing about AWS... they're somewhat non-disclosimg of things like that
18:58<Peng>(Well, there must be at least some x86-64 for the high-RAM ones.)
18:58<bob2>Bohemian: why don't you just sign up and try it?
18:58<SelfishMan>Bohemian: you can host websites on EC2
18:58<bob2>Bohemian: it'll cost 17c to find this out
18:58<SelfishMan>but it is a different environment as a whole
18:59<Bohemian>bob2: no other fees besides that and the storage fees?
18:59<SelfishMan>bob2: 17c *after* you spend time rolling the OS image
18:59<bob2>SelfishMan: or use one of the 14 000 provided ones
18:59<HoopyCat>jcy: where is the datacenter? eh, somewhere on the east coast :-)
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18:59<bob2>SelfishMan: I somehow doubt Bohemian's first step is going to be producing a custom image
18:59<jcy>that's fascinating
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18:59<bob2>they have multiple datacenters
18:59<Bohemian>3 in the USA
19:00<bob2>in multiple availability zones
19:00<bob2>so you can be california-slides-into-the-pacific-proof
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19:00<Greggaz>Hey What time does linode HQ Close?
19:00<Greggaz>ive tried ringing and it goes to answer machine :S
19:00<Greggaz>is it 9-5
19:01<jcy>i think they're near atlantic city, so probably when the buffets open in the casinos
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19:01<bob2>why would you call?
19:01<mwalling>leave a voicemail then
19:01<Greggaz>im ringing via Skype
19:01<Greggaz>And dont have a Skype in Number
19:01<Greggaz>im a UK Resident
19:01<Greggaz>So Dont want them Paying huge bills to call me back on Skype
19:01<jcy>i just sent in a support ticket and it took them 163 seconds to respond to it
19:01<Greggaz>i sent a support ticket too
19:01<jcy>so yeah, i'll be complaining to management about response times
19:02<Greggaz>its just about getting a 3rd IP
19:02<mwalling>i had a ticket turnaround in about 2 seconds once
19:02<jcy>Greggaz that's exactly what i did also
19:02<jcy>they must like me more, or something
19:02<SelfishMan>mwalling: bah, I've had tickets answered before they were even created
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19:02<Greggaz>jcy: Do u think they will allow a 3rd IP
19:02<mwalling>its probably drive home time, and i'm glad they dont answer tickets while driving
19:02<jcy>yes def. if you give them the right reason
19:02<mwalling>Greggaz: how would jcy know?
19:03<jcy>b/c i just got some?
19:03<Greggaz>thats why i asked mwalling
19:03<SelfishMan>rule 4 fail
19:03<jcy>don't say "i need more ip's to salt my random number generator that powers my lotto number picking webapp"
19:03<Peng>Greggaz: Why do you want a 3rd IP?
19:03<jcy>for hackz of course
19:03<HoopyCat>Greggaz: depends on the reason; IPs are scarce and rationed
19:04<Greggaz>peng: Because i own a Website called IRCReview 2 IP's are for the IRC Crawler and statistics and we want another IP For the IRC Network to also add a rdns to the IP
19:04<Peng>Greggaz: That sounds like a bad reason.
19:04<HoopyCat>hmm... that one'll probably need to be looked at in the morn
19:04<SelfishMan>Greggaz: That doesn't sound like valid justification
19:05<SelfishMan>The second "rDNS" is used as part of an IP justification I'm pretty sure it is (or should be) auto-rejected
19:05<Peng>Greggaz: Why do you need more than one IP for that?
19:06<Greggaz>Because 1 IP is used for connecting to IRC networks and the other IP is for the Data side of it (Html)
19:06<Peng>Greggaz: That doesn't need two IPs.
19:06<Peng>Greggaz: At all.
19:06<SelfishMan>Greggaz: and the third IP is for....
19:06<Greggaz>SelfishMan: IRC Network
19:06<Peng>Greggaz: That doesn't need another IP, either.
19:06<SelfishMan>Greggaz: I still fail to see the logic there except vanity rDNS
19:06<CaptainBriney>I have a question. I'm having some trouble getting my second IP address to catch. I've followed all of the multi ip stuff on the wiki, but I can't get it to work. I'm running ubuntu 9.10. here's my /network/interfaces:
19:06<Peng>Greggaz: Why do you *want* multiple IPs for this?
19:07<SelfishMan>CaptainBriney: use the library
19:07<SelfishMan>!library multip ip
19:07<linbot>SelfishMan: 1. Basic Linux Security Practices ( - 2. Linux Administration Basics ( - 3. Multiple Web Servers with ProxyPass on Debian 5 (Lenny) (
19:07<Greggaz>Peng: Because The 2 IP's Point to different things
19:07<SelfishMan>hmm...keyboard fail
19:07<SelfishMan>!library multiple ip
19:07<CaptainBriney>Selfishman: It's working as well
19:07<linbot>SelfishMan: 1. Basic Linux Security Practices ( - 2. Linux Administration Basics ( - 3. Multiple Web Servers with ProxyPass on Debian 5 (Lenny) (
19:07<CaptainBriney>not working I mean
19:07<Greggaz>1 IP Points to the WebServer and the other IP is for Our Perl IRC Crawler
19:07<CaptainBriney>SelfishMan: It's not working either. Can't type right now.
19:07<bob2>CaptainBriney: line 10 is wrong
19:07<HoopyCat>CaptainBriney: line 10 is just kinda hanging out there
19:07<Peng>Greggaz: You still haven't said *why*.
19:08<CaptainBriney>how do I fix it?
19:08<SelfishMan>Greggaz: still don't see the need for two IPs for that
19:08<Peng>CaptainBriney: ...Remove it.
19:08<HoopyCat>CaptainBriney: delete line 10; reboot
19:08<Peng>Don't need to reboot, just reload networking.
19:08<bob2>and indenting is highly recommended
19:08<HoopyCat>Greggaz: you can do multiple things on one IP, for what it's worth
19:08<Peng>Greggaz: Plz help delay IPv4 exhaustion another 0.1 seconds and stick with one IP.
19:09<CaptainBriney>sweet, it worked. Thanks guys.
19:09<Nivex>Web server accepts inbound on 80. IRC crawler uses outbound 6667 (et al). Different ports, same IP
19:09<CaptainBriney>ps I actually have a need for it unlike Greggaz.
19:09<HoopyCat>Peng: eh, i enjoy a good reboot ;-)
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19:09<HoopyCat>CaptainBriney: ooh snap
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19:09<CaptainBriney>Greggaz you really don't need more than one IP.
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19:09<CaptainBriney>but anyway.
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19:09<HoopyCat>CaptainBriney: np, have a good night!
19:09<Peng>See? CaptainBriney is a captain, and he says it too!
19:10<CaptainBriney>HoopyCat: You too!
19:10*vulcan hmms
19:10<vulcan>how do I set this permission? -rwxr-xr-x
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19:10<HoopyCat>SelfishMan is a rear admiral, IYKWIM
19:10<Peng>Nivex: IRC crawler doesn't need to use 6667 outbound.
19:10<Peng>vulcan: chmod 755
19:10<HoopyCat>vulcan: chmod 755
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19:11<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: I don't get it
19:11<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: i know <3
19:11<Peng>But we do, all the time.
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19:13<HoopyCat>gosh, ward; don't you think you're being a little hard on the beaver?
19:13<jcy>i'm trying to add ip addresses from the instructions on this webpage:
19:13<Peng>What's with everyone and IP addresses tonight?
19:14<bob2>Peng: gotta get what you can before the end times
19:14<jcy>but when i go in to look at ifcfg-eth0, it's set for BOOTPROTO=dhcp
19:14<jcy>i was granted ip's b/c name based virtual hosts wouldn't work w/ SSL
19:15<jcy>anyway, was there something new done to centos 5 where this was changed?
19:15<HoopyCat>jcy: BOOTPROTO=static, i believe; you'll need to set up all IPs statically
19:15<Peng>jcy: Yay, a good reason for multiple IPs. <3
19:15<HoopyCat>oops, BOOTPROTO=none
19:16<jcy>was i always on dhcp and the dhcp server just always mapped my ip address to my linode's mac addy?
19:16<HoopyCat>whatever it says to do, do it; don't listen to me ;-)
19:16<HoopyCat>jcy: bingo
19:16<jcy>ok, thanks
19:17<HoopyCat>jcy: dhcp makes deploys and trans-datacenter migrations easier, but it works just fine without
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19:17<bss>on the subject of SSL and name-based virtual hosts, one day i ought to try SNI
19:19<vulcan>anyone know if I can run a shell script from init.d?
19:19<bob2>all the htings in init.d are shell scripts
19:19<vulcan>this isn't on a server btw
19:19<vulcan>android phone :P
19:20<vulcan>and actualy I meant init.rc, not init.d
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19:21<vulcan>service mbmled sh /sbin/mbmled
19:21<vulcan>I think that might work
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19:23<jcy>funny how you can not use vi for years and still somehow remember all the kb shortcuts
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19:32<squircle>it's funny how every so often my dd-wrt router will fail to transfer any http traffic at all, yet i'll still remain connected to IRC...
19:32<Peng>Newark is at NAC's MMU facility?
19:32<squircle>Peng: yes, i believe so
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19:33<Eman>squircle: can you get to the web interface when it does that?
19:33<squircle>Eman: yeah, i usually just reboot it though; sometimes just an ADSL reconnect doesn't do the trick
19:33<squircle>and, oddly enough, it's every 15-18 days...
19:33<Eman>go to Status_Router.asp, check the "Active IP Connections"
19:34<Eman>probably hit its limit
19:34<squircle>not even close; limit's at 4096, never surpasses 1000, rarely surpasses 500
19:34<squircle>right now it's at 147
19:34<jcy>squircle what ver of dd-wrt are you running
19:34<Eman>router model/version?
19:35<squircle>v24-sp1 (07/27/08) VPN on a Linksys WRT-310N
19:35<linbot>New news from forums: iPhone App? in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
19:36<Eman>thats got so much ram it shouldnt ever have problems
19:37<squircle>and i have pings disabled... yet linbot says pong...
19:37<jcy>sometimes i wish my router would die, so i'd have an excuse to upgrade it
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19:37<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
19:37<HoopyCat>jcy: me too :-/
19:37<linbot>squircle: [mtr] 16 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 47.6ms
19:38<squircle>this is reeeally annoying... I hate loosing my IP so often...
19:38<squircle>and huh, for some reason the loadaverage just jumped up to 5.05
19:39<jcy>we're all pinging you right now :-P
19:39<squircle>but i have pings disabled...
19:39<squircle>maybe that's another symptom: my router responding to pings
19:40<squircle>appatrently /usr/sbin/pppd is at 100% CPU
19:40<squircle>(even though 100% of 300MHz is not that much...)
19:40<Eman>welcome to why i stopped using dd-wrt
19:40<Eman>crazy bugs that exist for no real reason
19:41<squircle>but it's so feature-rich!
19:41<squircle>it's its own VPN!
19:42<mwalling>fucking failwhales
19:42<squircle>i wish i could afford a router I could put mlppp-tomato on to bypass stupid throttling...
19:42<Eman>close enough
19:42<squircle>lol yep
19:43<squircle>i'm switching to Bell on the 23rd anyways...
19:43<squircle>i'm tired of 5 Mbps... I'm going to be getting 16 for the same price.
19:43<squircle>i'll just do all my torrenting on my linode!
19:44<squircle>well, i'm paying for it, may as well use it
19:44<Eman> does cable here, no throttling, no caps
19:44<Eman>thinking about trying it
19:44<squircle>"here" being....
19:44<squircle>aah... i'm in oakville, not too too far
19:45<squircle>and surprise surprise, my HTTP traffic is getting through again
19:45<squircle>welcome to the wonderful world of dd-wrt
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19:45<squircle>Eman: what are the speeds like on cybersurf?
19:45<linbot>New news from forums: More disk space in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
19:45<squircle>can't seem to find it anywhere
19:46<Eman>its 16meg cable
19:46<squircle>for 20 bucks cheaper than bell....
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19:46<squircle>wonder if it's available in my neck of the woods (or if cogeco has shut them out like they have everyone else)
19:47<Eman>heh, its resold cogeco
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19:48<squircle>oh how I love resellers
19:48<squircle>apparently rogers is making a big push into oakville, burlington and hamilton
19:48<Eman>from what ive seen, it seems to work like the dsl shit
19:49<Eman>no pppoe, but you have different routing than cogeco
19:49<squircle>just over cable :P
19:49<squircle>well i hate bell for their peering arrangements
19:49<HoopyCat>Das Machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren musten keepen das cotten-pickenen hands in das pockets - relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights.
19:49<squircle>TORIX is rather close to me, yet all my newark-bound packets seem to (more often than not) flow through pickering
19:50<squircle>HoopyCat: oddly enough, i understood that, and i don't speak a word of german.
19:50*HoopyCat puts cover back on water heater
19:50<squircle>heh, blinkenlights, like telnet
19:50<linbot>New news from wiki: Network <>
19:51<HoopyCat>squircle: pickering is in the same timezone, no?
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19:52<squircle>HoopyCat: it's just east of toronto... and i'm about 50KM west of toronto... instead of flowing through TORIX (, it goes all the way to pickering (sometimes as far as montreal) before heading south towards newark
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19:52<squircle>adds 10-50ms to the roundtrip time
19:52<Eman>my isp primarly uses level3 for traffic
19:53<Eman>so everything gets dumped through detroit and chicago
19:53<HoopyCat>squircle: try rochester -> syracuse -> chicago -> newark
19:53<squircle>Eman: I wish bell did.... then everything would be dumped through torix... a mere 21KM away. but of course bell would refuse...
19:54<squircle>HoopyCat: before I signed with bell, it was oakville -> toronto -> detroit -> chicago -> pittsburgh -> ny -> newark
19:54<squircle>for reasons that are far beyond me
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19:54<Eman>torix-newark has a nice fat pipe
19:55<squircle>Eman: where are you getting that? is there some kind of map or something (or just the list of peers?)?
19:55<HoopyCat>squircle: and yes, rochester -> syracuse -> glens falls -> albany -> SAME ROUTER in nyc that handles newark-bound traffic -> london
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19:57<squircle>HoopyCat: I'd love my stuff to flow from oakville -> buffalo -> rochester -> syracuse -> albany -> newark!!!!! where do I sign?!
19:57<djoe>squircle: you forgot chicago
19:57<squircle>the topic of this discussion: Geographical Convenience of Packet Flow
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19:58<squircle>djoe: forgot chicago? does everything flow through chicago at one point or another?
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19:58<HoopyCat>really, dallas and london are the only linode datacenters that are reasonably routed from here. on the other hand, things are mad-stable and fast, so what do i care?
19:58<Eman>yes apparently
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19:59<HoopyCat>squircle: ... pretty much ;-)
20:00<squircle>it seems as though almost every packet leaving my house, no matter its destination, flows through tinet in chicago... you were right, djoe
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20:01<jcy>did you really need that - in the hostname
20:02<jcy>think of all the keystrokes you could've saved w/o it!
20:02<linbot>New news from wiki: Network <>
20:03<HoopyCat>squircle: ... i'm if you wanna check that :-)
20:03<jcy>shouldn't that wiki be edited to say "five data centers"
20:03<SelfishMan>jcy: the wiki is dead
20:04<HoopyCat>jcy: i use dvorak, so the dash is immediately to the right of my starboard pinky
20:04<Peng>Nah, we're not counting Fremont since it's always full. ;D
20:04*Peng fixes
20:05<Peng>jcy: It's a wiki, y'know.
20:05<squircle>HoopyCat: i got a bit more loss than you did... seems like velcom's interface with Level3 is particularly bad...
20:05<jcy>i've never edited a wiki
20:05<SirSquidness>jcy: it's easy!
20:05<Peng>And I already did it. But still.
20:05<jcy>yeah some stuff i just won't try at all
20:06<Peng>And yet you run Linux servers? :D
20:06<jcy>like bing for instance
20:06<squircle>HoopyCat: see, all my stuff is flowing from oakville -> toronto -> montreal before it gets to new york
20:06<jcy>see i much prefer pointing out errors and then hoping someone else will fix them
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20:06<squircle>last time i checked there was a new york -> toronto L3 link
20:08<squircle>has anybody ever noticed how says it runs on a "linode 300"?
20:08<linbot>New news from wiki: Network <>
20:08<Peng>Mayeb it does!
20:08<jcy>peng, not to get too personal, but i've only run a linux desktop in my lifetime for a grand total of about maybe 300 hours
20:09<jcy>10 years ago, i used to admin for solaris which is where i learned unix
20:09<Peng>squircle: It might still be a Linode 300. They haven't necessarily upgraded it.
20:09<HoopyCat>squircle: eh, i don't pay too much attention to the loss... i modulate my upstream bandwidth quadratically for differential QoS mitigation, so some stuff will get lost. that's a fine-looking route.
20:09<amitz>jcy: woah, I can't make my linux desktop run. That's an impressive mechanical engineering feat you did!
20:09<jcy>i'm only running this linode to host a site basically
20:09<squircle>HoopyCat: still can't believe my route is so much longer than yours for some reason
20:09<jcy>heh, it was terrible what i put up with in my desktop
20:10<jcy>i think i was running ximian on redhat or something
20:10<amitz>squircle: you havent seen my route...
20:11<jcy>i just got amitz's little joke there
20:11<HoopyCat>squircle: different path with more layer 3 hops... each carrier does things a little bit differently. look at the different networks and cities; those are what matter
20:11<jcy>so that was a total whoosh moment for me just now
20:11<amitz>jcy: ;-)
20:11<HoopyCat>i still have no idea where vstlny is
20:12<squircle>woah; the Cisco Toronto headquarters is the building beside TorIX.... weird
20:12<HoopyCat>mwalling: where's vstlny
20:12<squircle>or... coincedental
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20:12<amitz>squircle: my ISP routing from around east asia to west usa via london.
20:13<HoopyCat>squircle: coincidence, but it probably makes techs really frustrated when they need to swap out parts
20:13<squircle>amitz: network topologies are a wonderful thing...
20:14<HoopyCat>squircle: "dangit, the cisco office is *right* *there* but we gotta wait for DHL"
20:14<squircle>isn't that fun?
20:15<SirSquidness>well, head offices don't tend to be warehouses
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20:15<SirSquidness>especially when the head offices are in prime real estate
20:15<HoopyCat>my datacenter was right across the street from the local cisco office and they never even sent a salesdrone
20:16<HoopyCat>SirSquidness: how much space does it take to store the one PA i need?! :-)
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20:16<amitz>I used to subscribe to a magazine (economist, good magazine, recommended). The delivery was slow enough (days) that I end up making an arrangement for pick up at their warehouse.
20:16<SirSquidness>too much, HoopyCat
20:17<squircle>amitz: I used to live 2 blocks away from the Canada Post Mississauga Distribution Station where 95% of all mail to Toronto & the surrounding area goes... took 2-3 days for the letter to get from there to my mailbox; wouldn't let me pick up my mail directly
20:18<SirSquidness>2-3 days?!
20:18<HoopyCat>it wasn't THAT prime... the building had one of those little peeing cherub fountains out front, but the developers forgot to winterize the poor thing and they had to remove it
20:18<SirSquidness>What's wrong with your mail system, squircle ?
20:18<jcy>so many canucks in here, wtf
20:19<squircle>SirSquidness: now that I live 30K away, it gets here in one day.
20:19<HoopyCat>made me wince, i tell ya
20:19*SirSquidness face palms
20:19<squircle>I think my postal carrier was just lazy
20:19<rb>Just curious ... are there any published stats on which distros are installed/running across Linodes? If they're in this wiki, haven't found 'em yet ...
20:19<squircle>jcy: are you implying that there's anything wrong with canadians?
20:19<jcy>one word: poutine
20:19<SirSquidness>squircle: if he is, ignore him. <3 you guys
20:20<rb>squircle Their obsessive love for Tim Horton donuts?
20:20<SirSquidness>lol HoopyCat
20:20<squircle>:D (at least somebody loves me)
20:20<rb>aka "Tim Parts" ...
20:20<squircle>uhhhh, no
20:20<squircle>i hate tims.
20:20<squircle>starbucks or nothing.
20:20<HoopyCat>tiwbits, you sick pig
20:21<jcy>i buy starbucks solely b/c they give health insurance to their workers
20:21<squircle>and i have yet to find ANYBODY, ANYWHERE in canada who says "aboot" or talks like how i've heard some americans mock us
20:21<rb>HoopyCat I didna kno that Linode had ye datacenter in Sco'land
20:21<HoopyCat>dammit, why does the w look exactly like an upside down m
20:21<squircle>HoopyCat: what screwed up font ar you using?
20:22<HoopyCat>squircle: dymo labels on hacked keyboard
20:22<guinea-pig>someone called for a sick pig?
20:22<squircle>HoopyCat: aaaah
20:22<mwalling>HoopyCat: urmom
20:23<rb>HoopyCat Well, not exactly fine-grained stats ... but interesting nonetheless. I feel all alone in Opensuse-land ...
20:23<squircle>rb: because you are :)
20:23<Nivex>ok, this makes no sense. I've got a 6in4 tunnel running between my home any my linode
20:23<Nivex>tcp traffic flows fine
20:23<HoopyCat>squircle: the accent gets a little thicker out in the prairies
20:23<Nivex>can even ping
20:23<Nivex>but when I try to traceroute I can't get through
20:23<jcy>i remember thinking the girls in montreal were extremely attractive
20:23<jcy>like all of them
20:24<squircle>HoopyCat: i've been across the whole country, and it seems like only people from Saskatchewan talk like that... not alberta, not manitoba, but it's isolated to saskatchewan
20:24<jcy>but that was back in 96
20:24<HoopyCat>rb: yeah, "everything else" gets cluttered
20:24<squircle>and now montreal's more english than Toronto is
20:24<rb>squircle alone, again. naturally. sniff.
20:24<squircle>rb: you and i have so much in common... :P
20:24<HoopyCat>squircle: i was trying not to specifically mention my inlaws, but yes
20:25<rb>squircle except, apparently, a love of starbucks ...
20:25<squircle>ahahahaha i remember when Krispy Kreme tried to invade Canada
20:25<squircle>opened 30-something stores: only one survived
20:26<Peng>Acceptable casualties!
20:26<HoopyCat>squircle: tim hortons wiped them out here, ffs
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20:26<rb>Sure, but we all made a KILLING on their IPO ...
20:27<squircle>HoopyCat: it seems like everything from american tims tastes so much different from canadian tims...
20:27<squircle>rb: yes we did D:
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20:27<HoopyCat>oh hey, we don't fly out of YXE at 6am this time
20:28<squircle>in the middle of winter?
20:28<squircle>being stuck inside my freezer is warmer than saskatoon right now
20:28<HoopyCat>squircle: yes; april
20:28<amitz>jcy: all girls from any places far away are attractive, usually, IMHO.
20:28<rb>April's the "middle of winter"?
20:29<squircle>HoopyCat: that's not that bad; last time i flew out of Regina, they couldn't start the engines because it was so cold.
20:29<squircle>it was -47-ish (plus windchill)
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20:29<squircle>one of the many reasons i love toronto
20:30<HoopyCat>squircle: last time i was there, it was october... i was hung over from polishing off 2L bottles of beer with a priest, it was 4am, it was cold, and i thought i was going to die
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20:31<squircle>HoopyCat: the prairies will make you think that quite often
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20:32<HoopyCat>squircle: i share a lot in common with my wife. we both got the fsck out of that region ASAP
20:32<squircle>HoopyCat: one of the best decisions you've probably ever made
20:32<HoopyCat>squircle: i moved to rochester; she moved to yellowknife
20:33<Eman>you can keep toronto
20:34<HoopyCat>squircle: we met and fell in love in the toronto/hamilton region tho, and are now safely here on the snowy side of the lake...
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20:34<rb>HoopyCat I have relatives in Rochester. Um .... you DO realize that "lake effect snow" is a marketing-scam ... ?
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20:34<rb>Ah, apparently, yes you do.
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20:34<squircle>more like lake effect rain.
20:34<squircle>i miss the snow :(
20:34<squircle>although we have about 2 inches right now
20:35<HoopyCat>rb: it exists. oh fsck does it.
20:35<amitz>snow? what snow?
20:35<amitz>it's shinning prettily today.
20:36<rb>HoopyCat I know it exists! It's the warm, fuzzy-sounding "lake effect snow" that's the scam! Translated into West Coasst speak: "Huge whoppin' buckets of the stuff!" Give me earthquakes anyday ...
20:37<squircle>i wish we had buckets of snow
20:37<rb>less and less in common by the minute ...
20:37<squircle>unfortunately, torontonians forget how to drive when there's any snow on the roads. they want it to be 100% perfectly clear
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20:37<squircle>i think toronto is the #1 consumer of road salt in the country
20:38<Eman>probably all comes from windsor too
20:38<amitz>I must say that snow is overrated. The first time I saw snow, it was pretty. But snow texture is a disappointment. Too cold, too hard.
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20:38<amitz>I kind of expected snow to be like clay...
20:38<Eman>snow gets everywhere and makes everything wet
20:39<amitz>and damaged. and you must clean them.
20:39<squircle>amitz: the heavy slushy stuff is...
20:39<rb>squircle Well, given that Detroit's the largest salt producer ... makes lots of economic sense. Good for automive parts & repair too ...
20:39<amitz>squircle: you mean the one that about to melt?
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20:40<squircle>amitz: that, or when it snows and it's not very cold. it tends to snow as long as it's under 3 degrees (C) around here... but the light fluffy stuff is always more fun
20:40<amitz>Celcius? canadian use proper scale!
20:41<amitz>unlike your bottom (<-unfortunate choice of word is intended) counterpart.
20:41<HoopyCat>rb: what? people think LES is pleasant? where? have them stop by; i'll fix up the spare bedroom and smuggle some vikes so they can sleep after shovelling out a car and driving to buffalo and back
20:42<squircle>amitz: the metric system actually makes sense... unlike the imperial system
20:42<amitz>squircle: INDEED.
20:43<rb>HoopyCat "exec -s `invert {understanding}`". Only the Rochester & Buffalo Chambers of Commerce SAY it's pleasant. The rest of us ... no so much.
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20:44<HoopyCat>rb: what? i am obviously not targetted by these campaigns :-) but really... anyone want to shovel out the car?
20:44<rb>HoopyCat Personally, I was most impressed in Buffalo watching someone use a Propane torch to get to & thaw out their car door lock after a bout of LES + wet, rainy freeze.
20:45<rb>Better than the gas cap, I suppose ...
20:46<HoopyCat>rb: i have a couple antennas atop the car that i use to determine ice and snow thickness
20:47<HoopyCat>if it's up over the 440MHz trap, i grab a shovel to clean the snow off 'cuz the brush won't do it
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20:48<Eman>if the door wont open, i go back inside and call in telecommuting
20:48<HoopyCat>if i can see ice on the antennas, i grab an auxillary scraper to bust the ice off so i can get at the big scraper
20:48*rb looks out the window at the marina ... wonders, What would it be like to have to skate to the boat? ;-)
20:49<amitz>Eman: what?... I think I'm gonna love snow :-D
20:49<HoopyCat>it's like the weather-forecasting rock, except it's not an earthquake if the car is bouncing up and down
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20:51<amitz>what I like about telecommuting is you don't have to spend time to make yourself bearable by your colleagues.
20:52<HoopyCat>hey, is the guy still on-channel?
20:53<HoopyCat>probably not
20:55<HoopyCat>!seen rsully
20:55<linbot>HoopyCat: rsully was last seen in #linode 4 days, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <RSully> Anyone here work with Flexbuilder/Actionscript via server-side data?
20:55<amitz>hmm I guess if you're unique enough you\ll have a reader base...
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21:07<jcy>is there an easy way to comment out 20 lines in vi
21:07<Peng>Doing it manually probably takes less time than asking.
21:08<jcy>well yeah, but it would in theory save time in the future also
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21:10<aziwoqpd>assuming you're commenting a language that uses #
21:10<amitz>Perhaps I'm not cut to be a programmer...
21:11<jcy>aziwoqpd that commented out all the lines, is it possible to do just 20 lines?
21:11<aziwoqpd>i don't use vi much
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21:21<orvl>Hi, I have my Apache configured using the virtualdomain guide in the linode library which had me setup separate apache log files for each virtualdomain, for use with webalizer.
21:22<orvl>I'm wondering if there's a way to have all of the virtual domains also log to one common file that I can use for general server-wide monitoring
21:23<ubuntuisloved>orvl, apache yes just make sure you use a logrotation
21:23<orvl>yes, to gzip archive the old logs correct?
21:24<ubuntuisloved>orvl, in your apache configs just point each virtual host to ErrorLog = "/samelogfile" etc etc
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21:24<ubuntuisloved>orvl,CustomLog = "/samelogfile" etc etc
21:24<orvl>So that will create an additional log? because I want to keep the current setup with individual site logs for webalizer
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21:25<orvl>like, all the virtual domains will be logged globally AND individually?
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21:26<bob2>why don't you just try it?
21:26<orvl>I plan on trying it, I just don't want to mess up my current configuration
21:27<ubuntuisloved>orvl, how often do you need these logs together?
21:28<ubuntuisloved>orvl, you could write a script that you launch and it would combine all the log files into one
21:29<ubuntuisloved>orvl, also you need to learn how to check apache before restarting it... ! depending on your setup example mine goes like this apachectl -t should return Syntax OK
21:29<orvl>what's the purpose of that?
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21:30<ubuntuisloved>orvl, if you edit your apache config wouldnt it be nice to know if you messed it up before reloading apache? otherwise your server will be down while you go back in to fix it
21:30<ubuntuisloved>orvl, thats what that does
21:30<ubuntuisloved>orvl, you run with checking syntax option
21:30<orvl>oh, great, thanks for that
21:31<orvl>thanks everyone, gotta run
21:31<ubuntuisloved>good cause im getting frustrated
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21:36<HoopyCat>don't harsh my mellow guys :-(
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21:37*ubuntuisloved work does that to me
21:38*Peng marshes HoopyCat's mellow instead
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21:39<HoopyCat>Multistate Outbreak of Human Salmonella Typhimurium Infections Associated with Aquatic Frogs --- United States, 2009
21:40<HoopyCat>i'd lick that
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21:41<HoopyCat> <--- also features cheez-its
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21:49<HoopyCat>bd_: !
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21:50<HoopyCat>bd_: your members is showing
21:50<bd_>yeah, I switched to a temporary linode while I mess with my filesystem a bit
21:50<bd_>didn't want to wait 12 hours for the zone to update
21:51<HoopyCat>"mess with my filesystem"
21:51*HoopyCat shivers
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21:52<bd_>mostly copying everything over to a fresh new filesystem, what with every file over 10MB being fragmented into thousands of 8-sector extents ;|
21:52<Peng>Use IPv6. Insta-rDNS! :D
21:53<bd_>Peng: didn't feel like setting up another tunnel when I'm going to delete this soon enough
21:53<HoopyCat>bd_: how does one check for enfragmentedness again?
21:53<bd_>HoopyCat: hdparm --fibmap
21:53<Nivex>I can't get a good route to HE from the apartment :(
21:53<Nivex>*grumble* thank you RoadRunner
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21:54<Peng>6to4 or SixXS any better?
21:55<Nivex>6to4 is worse (Sweden)
21:55<HoopyCat>bd_: ooh neat
21:56<Nivex>but yeah, no matter where in HE's core I want to talk, I get hauled from central NC to San Jose
21:56<HoopyCat>Nivex: mine's amsterdamn
21:56<Nivex>HoopyCat: maybe that's it
21:56<Nivex>regardless, a hop across the pond
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21:57<HoopyCat>Nivex: i tunnel to my linode for IPv6, but if HE's in chicago, that'd be closest from home
21:57<Nivex>HoopyCat: you use a straight 6in4 to your linode or do you use ovpn?
21:57<HoopyCat>Nivex: openvpn
21:57<Nivex>I've been trying it both ways
21:58<Nivex>in openvpn, how do you handle the up command?
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21:58<Nivex>when I get to the point of adding the route back home it says there's no route to host
21:58<HoopyCat> <-- worst route ever
21:58<Nivex>it was working when I did it by hand tho :(
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21:58<HoopyCat>Nivex: lemme dig
21:59<Nivex>uhm, wow
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22:00<HoopyCat> is my .conf (server end), is my up (server end)
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22:02<HoopyCat> and for client end
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22:02<jcy>oh that reminds me, i was supposed to try adito this week
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22:04<Nivex>looks pretty similar to what I've got
22:04*Nivex keeps poking
22:05<Nivex>gaaaah stupid lysdexic mystake
22:05<Nivex>8898 != 8998
22:07<HoopyCat>oh sheesh, the route from here to HE chicago uses the boneheaded fremontish route (roc/syr/cle/dca/chi)
22:08<Nivex>lemme guess, you're on roadrunner too
22:10<Nivex>we seriously need to find someone there in charge of their peering
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22:11*Nivex cries
22:11<Nivex>it was supposed to be 8898
22:11<Nivex>I've been typing 8998 because it has signifigance to me in another context
22:12<HoopyCat>Nivex: the throughput and stability are excellent, though, so i suppose it's intentional
22:13<rb>Noting the recent update/upgrade of pvgrub, I'm guessing that came along with a HostOS update? That's Ubuntu, right? In any case, I'm wondering if whatever updates were recently put in place have brought along updates to host's resize2fs utils ... a necessary precursor, iiuc, to ext4 resize support in the Dashboard.
22:14<rb>(drives me nuts not being able to get at Dom0. that's hosting for ya ...)
22:14<bd_>pvgrub has nothing to do with the host software..
22:14<bd_>it's just treated like any other kernel
22:15<Nivex>HoopyCat: sweet... i've got openvpn coming up auto now
22:15<Nivex>still needs more tweaks, but a lot less "ip addr add ..." typing
22:15<rb>bd_ Of course. I'm just guessing (hoping?) that there might have been a HostOS update alongside.
22:15<Nivex>I wonder why I couldn't do another 6in4
22:16<rb>or, more to the point ... when will ext4 resizing in Dashboard be available>
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22:16<bd_>rb: probably sometime after ext4's available in the default kernel
22:16<bd_>and finnix
22:16<Nivex>rb: last time I asked, they said it wasn't even on the horizon yet
22:17<HoopyCat>rb: domU kernels are not host OS related at all. keep in mind that host OS upgrades generally involve a host reboot
22:18<rb>bd_ Isn't default kernel @ host Ubuntu that already HAS the support? I simply don't know ... I know that Opensuse 11.2 shipped with ext4 as default ... ext4 support has been around since at least 11.1.
22:18<mwalling>(lets get backups yet)
22:18<bd_>rb: for ubuntu, but only ubuntu
22:19<bd_>rb: anyway, the thing about this is there is no 2.6.2x+ dom0 kernel
22:19<HoopyCat>rb: the hosts run a, as of last check
22:19<bd_>so the dom0 can't mount ext4
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22:19<bd_>it could resize it using the userspace tools, but the config helpers wouldn't be able to work as is
22:19<rb>HoppyCat Yes, I know that. BUT, it's not unheard of that upgrades are clustered at the same time ... hence, I'm just asking. Not like there's lots of info available ....
22:20<Nivex>rb: of course there isn't. they can't give away all their secrets :)
22:20<rb>bd_ Sure, userspace is not a problem. Asking just about the Dashboard support.
22:20<Nivex>the dashboard uses the userspace tools on the host to perform the actions
22:20<rb>The # of secrets is getting larger ... Ext4, Backups, free turkets @ the holidays, etc etc
22:20<bd_>rb: I mean, they'd need to redesign their config helpers before supporting it
22:21<rb>Nivex Sure. I was referring to resize in Guest LVMs ...
22:21<HoopyCat>rb: how can they mount the image to change the root password, fix fstab, etc, if the kernel can't mount the image? :-)
22:22<mwalling>... backups are in *PUBLIC BETA*... PUBLIC is not a "secret"
22:22<rb>HoopyCat that hurts to read ...
22:22<HoopyCat>rb: no sense in just supporting one function
22:22<Nivex>HoopyCat: thanks for your help / commiseration on the ipv6 stuff
22:22<rb>mwalling But the rollout date to production *IS*
22:22<HoopyCat>Nivex: np
22:22<bd_>rb: I'm pretty sure they're making some major internal redesigns due to problems discovered in the beta
22:23<HoopyCat>rb: you think they know? :-)
22:23<rb>HoopyCat Just caught that! still @ on the Hosts? Ick ...
22:23<rb>HoopyCat Well, there IS that ...
22:23<bd_>rb: it's unavoidable for Xen. The upstream x86 maintainers are resisting merging dom0 support...
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22:24<Nivex>KVM linodes for everybody!
22:24<rb>bd_ opensuse Dom0 purrs along with just fine ;-)
22:24<rb>NOt *quite* unavoidable ...
22:24<Nivex>i don't imagine the linode folk are too anxious to retool right away
22:24<bd_>rb: oh, that's a forward port of the monkeypatched xen thing, not the pvops one
22:24<bd_>rb: and they tried that one
22:25<bd_>... and had to roll back
22:25<rb>Yes, forward ported. I've got clients w/ ~ 500 servers in production with it.
22:26<bd_>*shrug* all I know is they deployed it to one test host, but had to roll back after some testing
22:26<rb>Nivex As long as they 'retool' the broken (?) pvgrub in the next week or so, I'll be very happy :-)
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22:30<jcy>you know what might be interesting? an odd jobs or career section in the forums
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22:30<HoopyCat>kvm may be the direction things go within the next few years, but it won't be an overnight thing... linode+xen took quite awhile to get here
22:30<rb>HoopyCat I notice "IPv6" ... using it on your Linodes?
22:30<jcy>post a task that needs to be done, and a price you're willing to pay
22:30<jcy>or hire yourself out or try to collect people for projects maybe
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22:32<HoopyCat>rb: yup... mostly so i can avoid poking at the NAT router at home too much
22:32<rb>HoopyCat HE tunnels? Or are any of the datacenters actually attached to a real backbone?
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22:33<Smithers>Evening all
22:33<mwalling>hi ho
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22:33<tjfontaine>mwalling: you're not working
22:33<mwalling>i am too
22:33<HoopyCat>rb: HE... ~4ms out from newark, not too bad
22:34-!-dcraig is now known as Guest1182
22:34<rb>HoopyCat I've played with VLAN over HE tunnels to/from my Linode. Good latency, spotty uptime ...
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22:36<HoopyCat>rb: haven't yet done that... too cheap for VLANs here. i do use openvpn in a star topology for VPN and IPv6 distribution
22:39<rb>HoopyCat looked at FreeNAC? free == cheap enuf ...
22:40<HoopyCat>rb: i can't download hardware :-) still got hubs in some places
22:41<rb>Ah. Heh ...
22:44*rb sighs ... SOMEDAY there'll be an OpenVPN client for iPhones ...
22:45<Peng>Is it just me, or is Xen a bit fragile?
22:46<Peng>Linode doesn't do X because Xen blew up, Slicehost has been doing X since 2007 but hasn't managed to get Y working...
22:46<Nivex>it's a good thing there's choice in the marketplace
22:46<rb>Peng Virtualization is a bit fragile ...
22:46<Eman>xen tends to explode for no real reason
22:47<Eman>uml is where its at for stability
22:48<mwalling>HyperV is where it is *AT*
22:48<tjfontaine>I manually emulate every instruction here
22:48<rb>Heh. All broad generalizations. Pick your poison. For every Yay, there's a Nay.
22:49*beefsalad stabs tjfontaine
22:49*tjfontaine falls over
22:49<tjfontaine>beefsalad: did you hear what he said about women?
22:49<mwalling>what other virtualization stack runs on windows hosts and is powershell scriptable?
22:49<tjfontaine>beefsalad: that they're poison
22:49<rb>mwalling That's a GOAL?
22:49<Pryon>You mean they're *not* poison?
22:50<beefsalad>tjfontaine: who said that?
22:50<tjfontaine>he said something about broads and poison
22:50<tjfontaine>that's what I took his meaning as
22:50<rb>tjfontaine Ah. Funny guy.
22:50<Pryon>Don't call chicks broads
22:50<beefsalad>thats classy
22:50<tjfontaine>I'm pretty good at that
22:50<tjfontaine>HELLO GOOGLE
22:50<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: QED
22:51<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: it makes my margaritas taste so sweet, whoda thunk it was bad for ya
22:51<rb>Ah, the last standard falls ...
22:51*beefsalad drags his ass into the shower
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22:52<beefsalad>the good news its, its friday! The bad news job sucks!
22:52<tjfontaine>beefsalad: I made you feel *that* dirty?
22:52<beefsalad>tjfontaine: any time you speak I have to shower
22:53<tjfontaine>I wish that's what she said
22:53<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: it was really cold out, and wasn't sure alcohol alone would keep him from freezing
22:53<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: what a caring wife
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22:54<tjfontaine>special friend
22:54<beefsalad>lady friend
22:54<HoopyCat>whatever... *looks at mug shot* it is
22:55<tjfontaine>oh snap.
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22:58<sadf>the command: vncserver :1 -geometry 1024×768 -depth 16 -pixelformat password
22:58<sadf>does not work for me
22:58<sadf> vncserver: geometry 1024 is invalid
22:58<sadf>is error message
22:59<sadf>when i type ps aux, it does not show vnc as running
22:59<HoopyCat>is that x or ×?
22:59<sadf>× i'm pretty sure, lemee try agian
22:59<HoopyCat>try x
23:00<sadf>thanks lol
23:00<sadf>works with just x...
23:01<HoopyCat>not sure where you found that U+00D7, but glad U+0078 did the trick
23:02<sadf>i copied
23:02<sadf>and previous code had ×
23:03<HoopyCat>i bet someone's got a fancypants blog plugin that doesn't ignore code blocks
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23:06<sadf>well, i just taught myself linux in 12 hours
23:06<sadf>so i'm working on it
23:06<sadf>i just want to be able to remote access my new vps makes things much easier....
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23:08<bob2>ssh is an easier solution
23:09<HoopyCat>ᅙሪ ᅙ
23:09<tjfontaine>real monsters!
23:09<sadf>i'm not too familiar with linux to do ssh i prefer to have access and work from there
23:09<sadf>i'm trying to figure out how to download stuff from internet etc
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23:10*HoopyCat puts the unicode table away
23:10<sadf>i've figured out all the apt commands etc
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23:10<bob2>remember to stronlyg prefer your package system
23:10<bob2>compiling stuff means maintaining stuff
23:10<tjfontaine>I think more to the point, using a gui running on the node is not going to give you the swiftness you deserve on your node
23:10<sadf>wget is for centos
23:10<tjfontaine>wget is a utility
23:10<sadf>what is it for ubuntu
23:10<tjfontaine>it comes standard with virtually every *nix
23:10<bob2>wget is a way to download files via http and ftp on any os
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23:11<tjfontaine>sudo apt-get install wget
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23:11<tjfontaine>if it's not there
23:11<opello>even on the apple][!
23:12-!-bd_ is now known as bd__
23:12<tjfontaine>in short: I used X on Y where Y is some flavor of linux, X is likely to exist for your new flavor of linux U
23:12<tjfontaine>hah! you thought I was going with Z
23:12<opello>tj, we'll put an x in your y and you can a while you b!
23:12<sadf>how to save text file?
23:13<tjfontaine>echo "Hello World" > myfile.txt
23:13<Peng>sadf: What are you trying to save it from?
23:13<sadf>save edits to file i mean sorry
23:13<tjfontaine>and 1283q98437443527843652345 other ways
23:13<bob2>sadf: you need to mention which editor you'r usine
23:13<bob2>er you're using
23:13<tjfontaine>probably strong suggestions towards nano
23:13<opello>q is the tj exponentiation operator
23:13<sadf>GNU nano
23:13<bob2>read the bottom two lines of the screen
23:13<tjfontaine>opello: it's a combination of factorial and exponents
23:13<tjfontaine>opello: it's new
23:14<tjfontaine>where ^ == ctrl
23:14<sadf>ohh i was doing shift 6
23:14<opello>it's like complex numbers, but the tj plane
23:14<tjfontaine>opello: hehe
23:15<HoopyCat>it's like a 90-degree countercockwise rotation
23:15<opello>and 33-degress IN YOUR FACE
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23:18<sadf>why did they name command sudo... sudo?
23:18-!-bd__ [] has quit [Quit: switching to other client...]
23:18<bd_>su + do (the english verb)
23:19<palintheus>"switchuser do"
23:19<bd_>su being from 'switch user'
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23:19<tjfontaine>also it's a pun
23:19<HoopyCat>sadf: "su" is the traditional command to "s"witch "u"sers; sudo uses a different method, yet accomplishes much the same thing. so, it's pseudo su ;-)
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23:20<tjfontaine>sudo su == sudo -s
23:20<tjfontaine>sudo su - == sudo -i
23:21<opello>not that 'pseudo' makes sense because sudo is more flexible :p
23:21<tjfontaine>that's why it's a play and not a drama
23:22<HoopyCat>sadf: unix has three major themes: shorthand (abbrevations, little things like ^ for ctrl, etc), small commands that do one small part of a larger task, and bad jokes
23:23<tjfontaine>and recursive acronyms
23:23<sadf>and you wonder why geeks are made fun of :P
23:23<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: bad jokes ;-)
23:24<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: they may take umbridge at that :)
23:24<HoopyCat>sadf: it was 1968 and there was a lot of pot
23:24<tjfontaine>THATS A HARRY POTTER PUN
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23:25<HoopyCat>Today is Boomtime, the 7th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3176
23:26<kyhwana>No, It's Pungenday, the 8th day of Chaos
23:27<HoopyCat>no, the white zone has always been for loading and unloading of passengers
23:28*caker is unixing
23:28<sadf>does everybody use putty
23:29<tjfontaine>caker: would you like me to setup your new stacks based on kvm?
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23:29<@caker>tjfontaine: k .. make sure they're all bootuped
23:30<tjfontaine>with blessings on each instance as it comes up
23:30*caker buzzes the tower
23:32<sadf>it says i'm running as a priveledged user
23:32<sadf>when i connect via VNC... how can i fix this
23:34<amitz>sadf: how do you set up the connecting?
23:34<sadf>i connect via VNC teamviewer
23:34-!-Guest1182 is now known as dcraig
23:34<sadf>vncserver :1 -geometry 1024×768 -depth 16 -pixelformat rgb565 into SSH
23:34<sadf>and type vncserver :1 -geometry 1024×768 -depth 16 -pixelformat rgb565
23:34<amitz>sadf: don't run that order in root.
23:35-!-dcraig is now known as Guest1190
23:35<sadf>make a new user?
23:35<tjfontaine>man adduser
23:35<tjfontaine>man visudo
23:35<sadf>then log in via new user?
23:36<amitz>sadf: yes, then run that command.
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23:38<sadf>manual lol now im s tuck in it
23:39-!-Nicholas [] has quit [Quit: Nicholas]
23:41<sadf>How do i exit out of manual
23:41<bob2>(you're exiting out of 'less' or 'more', and they quit when you hit q)
23:41<sadf>i see thanks
23:42<sadf>sorry if questions are dumb... just picked up linux today
23:42<amitz>sadf: don't worry. One step at a time.
23:43<sadf>another maybe dumb question... when I type into mozzilla through teamviewer... its typing different letters than what i type
23:43<sadf>is this due to unix lettering or something
23:43<amitz>sadf: what language is your client / server / keyboards. Other than english?
23:44<sadf>using ubuntu? what do you mean
23:45<amitz>your computer and the other computer display english right? not other language?
23:45<sadf>nope everything is english
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23:46<sadf>letters are coming out english but like t for r and l for s
23:46<amitz>I'm a blind helping a blind here, so feel free to interfere. btw, different letters but quite normal letters right? Not strange ascii?
23:46<sadf>yes thats it
23:47<purrdeta>wrong channel. Of course... :/
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23:47<opello>yay, utf8 :p
23:47-!-internalkernel [~caleb@] has joined #linode
23:47<opello>or something
23:48<purrdeta>it was utf-8 I think... if I have my stuff set right
23:48<amitz>sadf: how did you setup your linux? fresh from linode?
23:48<sadf>yes ... i used all my disk space on ubuntu
23:48<amitz>and you vnc from your computer to linode ubuntu?
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23:50<sadf>it connects etc but when i type into console or mozzila its a different language i'm typing
23:50<amitz>your computer is linux? what version? windows?
23:50<sadf>windows vista
23:50<sadf>if my computer was linux i would fail miserably lol
23:51<amitz>I don't use vista so I don't know how they deal with localization and those voodos :-p
23:51<sadf>what do you use?
23:52<amitz>oh, debian.
23:52<sadf>i could barely figure out how to install linux on my linode... let alone my computer
23:52<sadf>all the image mounting etc.. I thought i knew how to do it since i've done mounting and burning before
23:52<amitz>but it seems there must be something you configure in you vista or putty.
23:53<sadf>i used default settings
23:53<amitz>concerning keyboard type.
23:54<jtsage>tjfontaine- ??
23:54<Peng>tjfontaine: Nice to see you here again. :)
23:54<Peng>(Cue /part)
23:54<tjfontaine>jtsage: that's the ticket
23:54<tjfontaine>is the burgh set to get hit tonight as well?
23:54<sadf>how can i fix that amitz
23:54<tjfontaine>Peng: soon my child
23:54<jtsage>those little things were freaky. i don't really miss that fad
23:55<Peng>tjfontaine: :(
23:55<jtsage>tjfontaine- yeah, already started snowing. supposed to be a real fun drive tommorow
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23:55<amitz>sadf: it was implied that nothing I say can help so I'd just shut up :-)
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23:55<tjfontaine>ya, just waiting on lake effect here now
23:56<sadf>After logged in to VNC server, I get problem with the keyboard mapping on Ubuntu 9.04. When I type "abcdefghij" I get "asdfghjkl;". After searching on Google, the problem was submitted as a bug and the work around is by adding:
23:56<jtsage>i think they said 2-4", so it's not horrible at least
23:56<sadf>export XKL_XMODMAP_DISABLE=1
23:56<sadf>In VNC’s xstartup file: $HOME/.vnc/xstartup You have to add the line export XKL_XMODMAP_DISABLE=1 before /etc/X11/Xsession or gnome-session (in case you use GNOME)
23:56<tjfontaine>6" here, if I drive to the contract location 12" there
23:56<sadf>does this look familiar at all?
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23:59<jtsage>sadf - i've not run vnc in any meaningful way in ages (other than hooking a xp machine into our newer mac desktops), i'm useless here.
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