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---Logopened Mon Jan 11 00:00:41 2010
00:02<amitz>Bohemian: nope, unfortunately
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00:07<amitz>Bohemian: perhaps it's time to look at the problem at a grander perspective? maybe use google apps instead as mail provider?
00:08<Bohemian>amitz: doesn't that cost money?
00:08<Bohemian>and i'm largely happy with my mailserver
00:09<amitz>Bohemian: no if your number of user is less than 50.
00:11<amitz>number of user is almost like number of mailbox (but different, I know, just to simplify my point).
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00:12<amitz>and your mail is considered more spam free, meaning that there is smaller possibility that a mail server somewhere decides to not like your mail and reject all your mail.
00:14<Peng>Think I should file a ticket about ns5? It's not worth waking anyone up over.
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00:15<Battousai>file 5 tickets
00:15<jamesp>I just signed up for Linode and would love thoughts on selecting an OS for my primary server (will eventually just have apache/php and a few other apps, but I plan to put mysql onto another linode).
00:15<SirSquidness>jamesp: are you familiar with any specific distros?
00:16<jamesp>I'm migrating from a MediaTemple CentOS box, but am interested in Ubuntu frankly because of its general popularity.
00:17<nb>jamesp, i'd stay with cento
00:17<jamesp>@nb: Thank you; may I ask why?
00:17<nb>1) Because you already are familiar with it
00:17<metap|pe>stick with it for the nostalgia
00:17<nb>2) It's what I've always used (well, it or Fedora)
00:17<linbot>New news from forums: Back-ups in Texas in Backup Service Beta <>
00:17<nb>which it's based off of RHEL which is based off of fedora
00:18<nb>3) I've never actually tried anything else, because it works for me
00:19<jamesp>@nb I am tempted to do that, but I also feel that my usage of CentOS has been suboptimal. I find myself building from source because yum either doesn't have the packages I need, or they are not new enough to have the features I need. Of course, perhaps it will be the same with Ubuntu...
00:19<nb>jamesp, i would actually suggest trying Fedora
00:20<amitz>jamesp: more ubuntu users = more support ;-)
00:20<nb>jamesp, it is newer, but is like CentOS (CentOS is actually a old version of fedora, with security updates)
00:20<nb>jamesp, or try adding the EPEL yum repository to fedora
00:20<nb>jamesp, or try adding the EPEL yum repository to CentOS
00:21<nb>EPEL is produced by fedora to be extra packages that RHEL does not ship
00:21<jamesp>Nice, thank you @nb (and ;-) @amitz)
00:21<nb>CentOS is basically RHEL without the Red Hat branding
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00:21<nb>EPEL==Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux
00:21<amitz>if you really want stability, I'd recommend against fedora
00:21<nb>amitz, why?
00:21<nb>it is no less stable than Ubuntu
00:22<amitz>nb: because fedora is the testing ground of centos/redhat.
00:22<nb>amitz, umm, no more than Ubuntu is the testing ground for debian
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00:22<nb>amitz, fedora rawhide is the testing ground
00:22<nb>fedora releases are fine
00:22<amitz>nb: but ubuntu is willing to support ubuntu, where as IIGC, fedora is not supported?
00:22<amitz>If I Guess Correctly
00:23<nb>umm, what do yu mean by support? fedora has a great community
00:23<nb>#fedora and all the related channels on freenode, all of the mailing lists
00:23<jamesp>I didn't mean to set off distro wars! I'll look into Fedora a bit. If I did go with Ubuntu, should I use LTS/8.04 instead of 9.10? This will be a production box.
00:23*amitz bbl
00:23<nb>you'll have the same problems if you use LTS as with CentOS
00:23<nb>only essential security updates
00:24<nb>jamesp, you might check out #fedora on
00:24<jamesp>Sounds like Fedora or Ubuntu 9 for me
00:24<nb>its a good place for help with fedora
00:24<jamesp>Thanks for all of your help, @nb
00:24<nb>or if you prefer mailing lists
00:24<nb>jamesp, you're welcome
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00:26<amitz>oh, it has degenerated to distro war :-p, sorry.
00:26*amitz is not knowledgeable in the art of fedora
00:27<nb>yeah sorry, was just trying to defend his distro :) /me is fedora developer
00:28<amitz>oh, what do you mean by fedora developer? As in working for redhat? Package maintainer?
00:28<nb>package maintainer
00:28<nb>although most of my work is in fedora infrastructure as sysadmin-type of stuff
00:29<nb>although i maintain znc and sks
00:29<nb>and a couple wordpress plugins
00:29<nb>and co-maintain spamassassin now
00:29<nb>redhat does pay quite a few people to work on fedora, as well as sponsors a lot of our infrastructure (and then has a whole other bunch of people that are just involved with RHEL)
00:30<nb>but /me is not that lucky to be employed by redhat :)
00:30<derfy>i know how to fix a distro EDITOR WAR
00:30*derfy ducks'
00:30<nb>i don't get in those
00:30*nb uses vi, but hasn't ever tried anything else really
00:30<nb>i used to use something called joe i think
00:31<derfy>i use nano
00:31<nb>but then learned vi because joe wasn't installed somewhere
00:31<nb>and kept using vi because it is everywhere
00:31<tarpman>joe's own editor
00:31<nb>or a GNOME vs KDE war :)
00:31*nb has seen a few of those in fedora-devel-list before the mods took over
00:39<amitz>I retype everything, no need to use any editor
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00:40<amitz>nb: oh, but redhat sponsors you? nice though, it's like working but with flexitime.
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00:42<nb>amitz, no, redhat does not pay me
00:42<nb>redhat pays a lot of employees to work on fedora
00:42<amitz>I am/was maintaining an app for wine, basically commenting on it's compatibility to wine and the necessary workaround. But after I scale back the app, I no longer active.
00:42<nb>but there are a lot of us that are volunteers too
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00:52<nb>fyi i filed a ticket about ns5
00:52<nb>Thank you for contacting us. I have forwarded this ticket onto our system administrators for further investigation and we will notify you once additional information becomes available. Your patience is greatly appreciated.
00:52<nb>they're looking into it
00:52<amitz>nb: you mean the automated email system is looking into it :-p
00:53<nb>danny ariti forwarded it to the sysadmins
00:53<amitz>ah, I see.
00:53<@array>nb: it's working again :)
00:53<nb>oh, yes it is
00:55<Peng>nb: Oh, alright.
00:55<Peng>I can confirm it's working again.
00:55<Internat>man i remember when linode only had 1 staff member.. and then 2.. and now its taking off at a rate of knots!!
00:57<amitz>then we will all be employed! :-p
01:03<nb>array, it doesn't seem like it is responding to notifys
01:04<nb>it had an old version of my zone, from yesterday, and i bumped the serial again, and ns1-ns4 all did a zone transfer from my master, but ns5 did not
01:04<mikegrb>it's a bit slow to fully load
01:05<nb>mikegrb, oh ok
01:05<nb>thats fine
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01:05<mikegrb>if it still doesn't respond to notify in an hour or so update the ticket and we will look into that in the morning
01:06<nb>mikegrb, ok thanks
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02:31<shaddai>anyone alive in here?
02:32<SirSquidness>I may be.
02:33<shaddai>are you a linode wizard?
02:33<SirSquidness>Alas, I am not
02:33<SirSquidness>But there are plenty of others in here who know what they're talking about
02:33<shaddai>got a simple question really
02:33<SirSquidness>Try anyway
02:33<SirSquidness>eventually someone will answer if I can't
02:34<shaddai>can iptables on my linode lock the linode ajax console out?
02:34<shaddai>not that I want to, I want to make sure I don't :-)
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02:36<shaddai>okee doke.
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02:36<mikegrb>mmm bacon
02:36<shaddai>that Ajax console has saved my bacon twice so far...kinda don't want to break it.
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02:39<maushu>mmm ajax
02:40<maushu>shaddai, the ajax console is like having a local terminal connected to the linode
02:42<shaddai>Yeah...I know.
02:43<bob2>you can login to lish via ssh, btw (similar deal to ajax, but you get a better terminal and can use ssh keys)
02:43<shaddai>well..I oughtta clarfiy. I know it acts local in function, but didn't know how it connected to the machine
02:44<reillyeon>shaddai: It's basicially a serial cable.
02:44<shaddai>gotcha :-)
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03:03<Ashish>What is bandwidth pooling?
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03:03<bob2>with regard to?
03:03<Ashish>Linode billing
03:04<Ashish>or in any context
03:04<x2>Can I run a remote desktop to my linode server?
03:04<x2>Such as vnc through a ssh tunnel.
03:05<bob2>x2: if you really want to
03:05<bob2>Ashish: presumably the way linode lets you share your bandwidth quotas across all your linodes
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03:06<xpurple>I currently have a colo in some guys office, but it's 384k up DSL and is slow.
03:06<xpurple>Thinking about switchingto linode.
03:07<Ashish>what are the benefits of bandwidth pooling?
03:07<xpurple>My current server is a 500mhz box with a 5 gig HD and 256 megs of ram. I presume that I will get better performance from linode?
03:08<DephNet[Paul]>Ashish, say you have 2 linodes, one does 50GB of transfer a month, the other can transfer upto 350GB without you having to pay overages
03:09<DephNet[Paul]>xpurple, more than likely, Linode do offer a 7 day money back guarentee, so you can sign up, and if its not better performance you can request your money back within 7 days
03:09<xpurple>I use my current colo for mail, dns and light webserving.
03:10<DephNet[Paul]>you can get a 540 for that i would guess
03:10<xpurple>I average about 1 gig of data transfer a month.
03:11<bob2>so you'll 199GB left over to donate to tor ;p
03:11<xpurple>You can run tor on there?
03:11<xpurple>Without violating ToS?
03:12<DephNet[Paul]>ive not reviewed the ToS lately, but when i did it was pretty much you can run what you want, as long as it is legal
03:13<xpurple>Sounds easy enough.
03:13<xpurple>How long from the time I pay till I am up and running?
03:13<bob2>block outgoing tcp:25 at least
03:13<bob2>if your account is flagged for manual assessment, a few minutes
03:13<bob2>most are not
03:13<xpurple>Can I choose where I want the server located?
03:14<bob2>signup, then when you first login, you choose which dc
03:14<DephNet[Paul]>once you have paid, and logged in to the members area
03:14<bob2>after that, if you want, you can:
03:14<linbot>Linodes can be migrated between datacenters by simply opening a ticket. Your disk images will be copied intact, but you will be issued a new IP address. Once a migration is configured, it makes a button on the dashboard available for you to start the migration yourself. Migration typically takes about 1-3 minutes per GB.
03:14<xpurple>Very nice.
03:14<xpurple>Now the issue is how to get the data there.
03:14<xpurple>Only a couple gigs.
03:15<DephNet[Paul]>xpurple, SFTP
03:15<bob2>(upgrades/downgrades are automated, assuming there's space)
03:15<xpurple>And the IP will be static, so I can move my DNS server over too.
03:16<DephNet[Paul]>xpurple, you can use the Linode DNS servers
03:16<xpurple>Never thought about that.
03:16<DephNet[Paul]>thats what i do
03:16<xpurple>I've been running my own for so long.
03:16<bob2>linode's nameservers can act as slaves, if you prefer
03:16<xpurple>Yeah, that would be best.
03:17<xpurple>I think I'll do this. Is there anything else I should know before diving in?
03:17<mikegrb>mmm cake
03:18<mikegrb>mmm cake
03:18<xpurple>The cake is a le!
03:18<DephNet[Paul]>linbot hates me :@
03:19<Ashish>Do u mean if I am having 2 linodes say one can transfer 300GB & other 200GB, in case if I transfer 350 GB with my linode that has 300 GB account & 150 GB with my 200GB account then I don't have to pay extra
03:20<xpurple>Thank you all. I'll have an account soon :)
03:20<DephNet[Paul]>Ashish, yep
03:20<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909
03:21<xpurple>Free activation?
03:21<xpurple>First monty free or something?
03:21<xpurple>What does that do for me then?
03:22<DephNet[Paul]>other than gives you a warm fuzzy feeling
03:22<xpurple>Thanks then.
03:22<xpurple>Later all.
03:22<bob2>who's code was it? mikegrb or caker's?
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03:23<praetorian>the 'linode' code
03:25<praetorian>oh there is no activation fee is there? ;)
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03:28<Ashish>4 processor Xen instances
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03:31<Ashish>what is its significance?
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03:31<bob2>nothing, really
03:31<bob2>just that you have access to 4 cores
03:33<bob2>so you have access, most of the time, to more cpu power than a lot of other vps providers
03:33<bob2>(most of them seem to only let you access 1 core)
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03:37<Peng>"most of them", really? That sucks.
03:37<Peng>I only know of a few VPS providers, so...
03:38<Peng>Slicehost/Rackspace gives you 4 cores, but their servers only have 4 cores total, so Linode still offers you less contention.
03:38<purrdeta>Well, we all know linode is best anyway :P
03:39<Peng>Certainly. :P
03:39<purrdeta>and my meaning is that you dont need to know any more than that hehe
03:39<purrdeta>Peng: how ya been?
03:39<DephNet[Paul]>doesnt Linode have 16 cores per host? or did i read wrong
03:39<Peng>DephNet[Paul]: 8
03:40<Peng>DephNet[Paul]: Dual CPUs, which are currently quad-core Xeons.
03:40<Peng>One day they might get octocore CPUs, but not yet...
03:40<DephNet[Paul]>ahh, fair enough
03:40<Peng>purrdeta: I still don't know how to answer that question. :D
03:40<DephNet[Paul]>i guess they will do that when they cost the same as a quad-core CPU :P
03:41<Peng>Maybe, maybe not. They get by well enough on the curent CPUs.
03:41*Peng shrugs.
03:41<Peng>They might get faster CPUs, or enjoy the cost savings. :P
03:42<DephNet[Paul]>yeah, and i like the fact that they limit the number of linodes per host, unlike other providers who say they do, then cram on upto 100 vpses per host
03:42<purrdeta>well, dont fix what isnt broken yaknow :P
03:44<Peng>I exist in this weird bubble where the only VPS providers I know anything about are Linode and SH/RS, so I assume everything they do is standard practice. :P
03:44<bob2>they're the classey end
03:44<bob2>check out sometime
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03:44<purrdeta>its sad what they do :P
03:44<purrdeta>erm what the low end things do
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03:45<DephNet[Paul]>bob2, thats because you dont frequent
03:45<Peng>bob2: THat's frightening.
03:46<DephNet[Paul]>where there are hundreds of providers that stick openvz on a single core server, and think they are the best vps provider
03:46<Peng>DephNet[Paul]: WHT is _so_ weird. It's full of people who run cPanel on VZ, the antithesis of what I'm used to.
03:46<purrdeta>yeah :/
03:46<purrdeta>yeah I stopped going there ages ago :P
03:46<bob2>DephNet[Paul]: it's all about the domain name man
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03:47<DephNet[Paul]>Peng_, and then they wonder why their provider cut them off for using too many resources :P
03:47<DephNet[Paul]>bob2, you mean like :P
03:48<purrdeta>I cant imagine getting shared hosting anymore... I'm spoiled like that... I figure if I cant afford a VPS I dont need it >.>
03:48<purrdeta>Yeah, spoiled, I know
03:48<DephNet[Paul]>back later
03:49<Peng>Hey guys, and aren't taken... :D
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04:28<Ashish>What is IP failover?
04:28<beefsalad>well, take a guess what it is
04:29<amitz>an IP which shouldn't fail because it will be all over.
04:30<amitz>Ashish: nah, basically, if it fails, other IP will take over.
04:30<chesty>other linode will take over the IP
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04:32<Ashish>does disk image means OS image?
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04:32<purrdeta>not always
04:33<purrdeta>infact never
04:33<purrdeta>disk image is just a virtual disk.
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04:33<purrdeta>It is where the OS will be installed, where you will store your files, etc.
04:33<amitz>chesty: wait, you can do that? Assign a particular IP to another linode?
04:34<purrdeta>in the same DC
04:34<chesty>that's what ip failover is
04:35<amitz>woah... I thought that will involve DC's router, which we don't have access to. ... ok, I now consider IP failover as voodo at the moment.
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04:35<Ashish>what is swap image?
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04:36<purrdeta>its what the os uses for swap space.
04:37<Ashish>is it something like page file in windows?
04:37<purrdeta>ehh yeah
04:40<Lance1>Once you sign up for a linode package, are you able to upgrade the RAM seperately?
04:41<amitz>cmiiw. So I can have 2 linodes, each having the same IP. But traffic by default is directed to one linode, and if that linode fails, traffic is automatically directed to the other linode. Can you do that using default router? Special router?
04:41<literal>Lance1: yeah, but usually you get more for your money by just upgrading to a more expensive plan
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04:41<Peng>!f extras
04:41<linbot>Available Add-ons: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP: $ 1 per IP/month
04:41<linbot>Peng: Extras and Add-ons are available for your Linode at the following prices: Disk: $2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $10 per 100GB/month. IP: $1 per IP/month
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04:42<Lance1>Oooh okay.
04:42<Lance1>Might as well just upgrade a plan - get more RAM that way.
04:42<Lance1>:) Cheers.
04:42<Ashish>can I deploy multiple Linux destro in one linode concurrently?
04:42<purrdeta>Ashish: no
04:42<Peng>Ashish: You can have multiple installs on disk images, but you can't *boot* them concurrently.
04:43<Peng>s/on disk/on separate disk/
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04:45<Ashish>thanx! Peng
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04:46<Ashish>what are ssh keys?
04:47<linbot>chesty: Sorry, I don't know anything about that
04:47<purrdeta>go here learn and become awesome.
04:49<Peng>!library SSH keys
04:49<linbot>Peng: 1. Installing PostgreSQL on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) ( - 2. Securely Administer MySQL with an SSH Tunnel ( - 3. Copying a Disk Image Over SSH (
04:49<Peng>Not helpful!
04:50<Peng>WHT is scary:
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04:55<purrdeta>what would be a good way to figure out where my bandwidth is being used? (like xmpp, asterisk, whatever)
04:55<purrdeta>It isnt that important really. I am curious however
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04:57<Ashi>What are configuration profiles?
04:58<Peng>Ashi: Kernel + a list of disk images + some settings
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05:00<Ashi>what is the need of having different disk images?
05:02<Peng>Ashi: What is the need for having different partitions?
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05:02<Peng>Ashi: Because that's what a Linode disk image is equivalent to.
05:03<Peng>Ashi: At the minimum, swap needs to be a different partition. Aside from that, some people like to put, say, /home, or /tmp or /var/log in a different partition; and some don''t.
05:05<Ashi>Support for booting with an initrd. what is initrd?
05:05<Peng>Google it.
05:06<Peng>!library Finnix
05:06<linbot>Peng: 1. Finnix Recovery ( - 2. Copying a Disk Image to a Separate Linode Account ( - 3. Custom Distro HowTo (
05:06<Peng>(I was just looking that up for myself.)
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05:20<Ashi>what is meant by device nodes?
05:21<Peng>In reference to what?
05:22<Ashi>in context of configuration profiles
05:24<bob2>disks in unix are directly accessible as files in /dev
05:25<bob2>/dev/xvda -> first virtualised disk, xvdb -> second
05:25<bob2>maybe you could give us the link to the thing you're reading?
05:26<Ashi>Create Configuration Profiles which associate disk images and device nodes
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05:32<Tim5>Managed/hosted DNS service with slave support. what is slave support facilities?
05:32<bob2>you run a dns server
05:33<bob2>and linode's dns server suck zones from it and serve them
05:33<bob2>you can use a pointy clicky web things instead
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05:35<Peng>You can also slave off of Linode's DNS servers if you want to for some reason.
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05:42<DephNet[Paul]>how would slave support fail?
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05:43<Peng>DephNet[Paul]: Context please?
05:43<DephNet[Paul]>the only way i can see if failing is if the actual DNS server was borked
05:43<Peng>DephNet[Paul]: Is this hypothetical, or did something fail?
05:44<DephNet[Paul]>never mind, i misread "facilities" as "failed"
05:45*DephNet[Paul] cleans glasses
05:46<shaddai>Any nginx wizards?
05:48<shaddai><----insert crickets here.
05:48<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
05:49<shaddai>sheesh :-)
05:50<shaddai>in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default
05:50<shaddai>I've got this:
05:50<shaddai>location /db { root /usr/share/phpmyadmin; index index.php; }
05:50<shaddai>which does get me phpmyadmin
05:51<shaddai>but at
05:52<shaddai>got any idea why?
05:53<bitmand>nobody know nginx here
05:53<bitmand>HAHAH! Kidding ;)
05:53<bitmand>I dont btw. - but I'm sure somebody here does ;)
05:53<shaddai>hope so. It's buggin me something serious
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05:54<avar>that's what you get for running experimental russian software:)
05:54<DephNet[Paul]>i think HoopyCat does, but does nginx have an IRC channel, eithere here on OFTC or on Freenode?
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05:55<DephNet[Paul]>avar, i wouldnt call nginx experimental
05:55<shaddai>google says #nginx is on freenode. didn't know that
05:56<shaddai>I'll give that a shot
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06:01<shaddai>eh...yeah...those #nginx guys
06:02<shaddai>isn't it like 3 pm in russia?
06:03<DephNet[Paul]>shaddai, depends where in Russia you are
06:04<shaddai>alright...well, it was worth a shot
06:04<shaddai>I'll catch you guys later
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07:56<linbot>New news from forums: Disk I/O -- What is a "bad" number? in Performance and Tuning <>
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07:59<praetorian>seems my linode has stop responding all of a sudden
08:00<chesty>personally i'm fascinated
08:00<praetorian>lish seems frozen too
08:01<praetorian>seems there was a cpu spike
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08:10<Peng>praetorian: Did it get better?
08:10<praetorian>i shut it down
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08:10<praetorian>unresponsive the whole time
08:10<praetorian>even via lish (which i thought it wouldnt/shouldnt?)
08:11<chesty>did you try to detach?
08:11<Peng>praetorian: The virtual terminal isn't magic. If the system is *totally* dead, it goes with it.
08:12<Peng>Anyway, crashes suck, but they usually aren't a big deal. Hopefully nothing got broken, and your previous uptime wasn't too impressive. :)
08:12<Peng>Now, figuring out what caused it and how to prevent it from happening again, that's the sucky part...
08:12<praetorian>chesty: indeed
08:12<praetorian>no. the uptime wasnt impressive. but the last time it died was for the same reason ;-)
08:13<praetorian>atleast its given me a change to upgrade the kernel and resize the disk
08:14<praetorian>just glad it happened now
08:14<praetorian>as i was about to go to sleep.
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08:27<linbot>New news from forums: Running a php script to delete something in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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08:48<HoopyCat>deejoe: there doesn't appear to be anyone running the network; services was down, the channel was being flooded, and the best i got was someone suggesting you be fired for running the channel poorly. great fun.
08:51*HoopyCat *hugs* tjfontaine
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08:53<samwhite>good morning... whats the "best" way to enable/setup ufw? i've read a half dozen tutorials this morning, and each has a different approach... there was a great tutorial for Debian, but i am using Ubuntu (9.10)...
08:53<samwhite>in the Debian tutorial, it was very straightforward... ports to allow, etc.
08:55<samwhite>i basicaly want to setup my firewall, and allow SSH, SMTP, HTTP, HTTPS, IMAPS and POP3S
08:56<samwhite>sorry, let me clarify... there was a great Debian firewall tutorial... :)
08:57<HoopyCat>there's an ubuntu howto for ufw out there... let's see...
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08:57<samwhite>i've read that, and a handful of others... but they were all pretty generic (at least to my untrained eye)...
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08:58<samwhite>i guess i was just looking for something that specifically mentioned how to enable XYZ posts, like the linode tut did for Debian...
08:58<HoopyCat>well, ufw is pretty generic... that's about all there is to it
08:58<samwhite>im so new to the environment, that i want to make sure i get it setup right the first time... ;)
08:59<HoopyCat>sudo ufw allow 22
08:59<samwhite>well, im concerned about rebooting the server, and making sure the iptable content is restored, etc.
08:59<HoopyCat>that'll allow ssh... rinse and repeat for the other ports you need
08:59<samwhite>just those little "touches" that the experts know about, etc.
08:59<samwhite>ahh... gotcha
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09:00<HoopyCat>sudo ufw enable :-)
09:01<samwhite>well, that enables it at that time, but is there some rule i need to add that will tell ufw to start again on reboot?
09:02<samwhite>or am i showing how green i am here... :p
09:02<samwhite>pre-up iptables-restore
09:02<samwhite>i read that somewhere... with an appended rule?
09:03<samwhite>pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up.rules
09:03<HoopyCat>i believe ufw handles all that. it's what makes it uncomplicated
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09:04<samwhite>so, i really just need to "enable" ufw, and start adding ports...
09:04<samwhite>well, DENY ALL, then allow the ones i want... :)
09:05<HoopyCat> has some (better, IMHO) stuff too
09:07<samwhite>thanks... i suppose i was just overcomplicating it... basically, i turn on the feature... close it up tight... then open the access i want (SSH, HTTP, etc.)
09:08<samwhite>and hope that ufw is nice enough to restore settings on reboot... :D
09:10<HoopyCat>samwhite: <--- that's all there is, and the logging line is optional :-) whether or not it starts at boot is defined in /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
09:12<samwhite>but isnt that only enabling access with port 22?
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09:14<HoopyCat>samwhite: yeah, so repeat the allow line with different port numbers until adequately sated
09:14<samwhite>roger that... thanks again... :)
09:15<samwhite>and in the conf file, should i be looking for a line similar to "pre-up" i listed earlier?
09:15<Peng>samwhite: Don't worry about "pre-up". It will work automagically.
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09:16<HoopyCat>samwhite: no; probably something like UFW=on
09:16<HoopyCat># set to yes to start on boot
09:17<HoopyCat>except, in your case, it should be ENABLED=yes :-)
09:17<samwhite>nice... i just found that here too:
09:17<samwhite>thanks folks... :)
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09:17<samwhite>i -love- learning curves... :)
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09:18<HoopyCat>samwhite: esp. when it's learning that you don't have to learn much ;-)
09:20<samwhite>indeed... i never imagined i would be spinning up servers, and managing the things ive done so far... im a code monkey... this server admin stuff is way outside my paygrade... but i do love how powerful the command line is... :)
09:21<HoopyCat>i'm the exact opposite... sysadmin at heart, but now spewing some code in my spare time. good to understand both sides of the fence a bit!
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09:23<samwhite>agreed... scary, and a little nerve-racking... but good none-the-less...
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09:27<HoopyCat>woohoo, it worked
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09:29<samwhite>what worked? and congrats... ;)
09:29<HoopyCat>sitting around with bed hair, in pajama bottoms and a t-shirt with a pot leaf on it, will usually get the delivery truck to arrive early
09:29<samwhite>hahaha.... niiiiiiiiice
09:30<Peng>samwhite: Just curious, what kernel are you running?
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09:30<Peng>samwhite: And what Ubuntu version?
09:30<Peng>Or, wait, Debian?
09:30<samwhite>peng: ubuntu 9.10
09:30<samwhite>as for kernel, im afraid you've got me there...
09:31<samwhite>i was running debian, and tackled the firewall piece with the great tutorial...
09:31<HoopyCat>samwhite: uname -a
09:31<samwhite>im now trying ubuntu, and thats the only missing piece from my own little "steps to take" guide
09:32<HoopyCat>samwhite: it'll say something like: Linux framboise 2.6.32-linode23 #1 SMP Sat Dec 5 16:04:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
09:32<samwhite>apologies, im havent actually spun up the linode yet... i need to blow away the debian, and fire it up this morning...
09:32<HoopyCat>in fact, i bet it says exactly that, but with something other than framboise
09:33<HoopyCat>samwhite: what !! where's your sense of adventure? :-)
09:33<HoopyCat>SpaceHobo: does the UK really have curry delivery?
09:33<samwhite>hahaha... im just now firing on about half my cylinders...
09:34<samwhite>i will have ubuntu u and running in the next hour... ;)
09:34<HoopyCat>samwhite: oh, coffee hold
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09:35<samwhite>curious: how does the kernel come into play?
09:36<Peng>samwhite: What, why did I ask?
09:36<samwhite>or rather, why was that question asked...
09:36<Peng>samwhite: It wasn't about you. I've been having ufw issues on 2.6.32; was curious what your experience was.
09:36<Peng>Hmm, Linode's and 2.6.32 kernels have about the same config.
09:38<samwhite>peng: what sort of
09:39<samwhite>"issues" have you been having?
09:39<Peng>samwhite: Crying and bloodshed.
09:40<Peng>samwhite: On 2.6.32, it dislikes something about my config, and decides to eat all traffic.
09:40<HoopyCat>SpaceHobo: what happens when the queen dies? does the first person to make it across the board get promoted?
09:40<Peng>I wonder if using a newer Ubuntu would improve it.
09:40<Peng>Oh, wait, I can test that...
09:40<Peng>Or, well, newer ufw.
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09:41<HoopyCat>SpaceHobo: we're mostly a nation built on chinese and pizza delivery
09:41<HoopyCat>unrelated proof of unkemptness:
09:41<HoopyCat>SpaceHobo: i'd like that; i enjoy curry more than chinese
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09:43<HoopyCat>SpaceHobo: that's not to say there's no other delivery choices here... we're just pretty much guaranteed pizza and chinese delivery anywhere
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09:45<HoopyCat>and with that, time to shower and start building the new knitting operations centre
09:46<amitz>heh, I thought all those talk about ufw at a glance was a joke about unsafe for work...
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10:00<lpillow>I'm a linode n00b. What's the best way for me to take a snapshot of one of my linodes and store it cheaply so I can use it at a later date to create another linode?
10:01<Peng>lpillow: If you don't mind some downtime, you could shut down and clone your disk image in the manager (resizing it first if you don't have the space).
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10:02<lpillow>Should I have partitioned my disk image first then?
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10:03<Peng>lpillow: Partitioned?
10:03<lpillow>well... not used the full size available of 16128MB
10:03<Peng>lpillow: Like I said, resize. It's not destructive.
10:03<amitz>lpliu: you can do it from linode manager, assuming ext3
10:03<lpillow>yes ext3
10:03<Peng>(* No guarantees if you're using a raw disk image instead of the normal ext3.)
10:04<jackson>Has anyone been having trouble creating disk images? Since last night I haven't been able to create a disk image over 1 gig
10:04<lpillow>will my clone be stored on that same disk image
10:04<amitz>eating, let Peng do the talk :-p
10:04<Peng>lpillow: What do you mean?
10:05<Peng>lpillow: It will be a separate disk image.
10:05<lpillow>OK. sorry for being stupid here.
10:05<Peng>lpillow: It will be stored on the same server, of course, so it doesn't make much of a backup...
10:05<amitz>multiple disk image, you can have.
10:05<lpillow>and I'd need to use Finnix to store it offsite?
10:06<Peng>lpillow: You could add it to your config profile and transfer it from within your normal Linode environment.
10:06<amitz>any other image who can mount that image will do.
10:08<lpillow>does that cost more to add it to my config profile?
10:09<lpillow>another dumb question
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10:09<lpillow>what is and how to I view my configuration profile
10:09<amitz>Peng: explain profile
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10:10<amitz>no dumb question, only asshole answerer ;-)
10:11<lpillow>I'm currently transferring from slicehost here and just want to get things setup correctly
10:12<Peng>Oh crap, I suck at explaining things.
10:12<lpillow>that's fine. I suck at doing things
10:12<Peng>That's a bad combination! :D
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10:13<lpillow>we'll be fine
10:13<amitz>!library linode platform manager
10:13<Peng>lpillow: It's the first link in the main page of the manager, "My Lovely Ubuntu 9.10 Profile" or whatever, where you manage stuff like the kernel and /dev/xvd* entries.
10:13<linbot>amitz: 1. Beginner's Guide ( - 2. Migrate a Server to Your Linode ( - 3. Cloning a Linode (
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10:13<lpillow>rather than asking a bunch of one off questions let me explain what I'm trying to do first
10:13<Peng>lpillow: Just set an unused device node to the extra image.
10:13<Peng>lpillow: Ah, ok.
10:14<lpillow>I suck at sysadmin - learning, but do it so infrequently that I'm always having to relearn
10:14<lpillow>so I want to put in the time to get a "solid" baseline image built
10:15<lpillow>then from there have that stored off so I can use that to bolt on specific configurations etc.. in the future when I want either new nodes or I want to start over or try something new
10:16<adj>lpillow: whats wrong with the stock distro as a baseline?
10:16<Remag>Is there anything that I can use that will monitor a java app from the web, Easily start / stop the service?
10:16<Remag>Using CentOS
10:17<amitz>lpillow: see the bit on cloning a linode about 10 messages above
10:17<lpillow>adj: nothing really, but I'd like to already have so much of my config done when I start new
10:17<lpillow>I'll do that amitz
10:17<lpillow>thanks for your help everyone
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10:18<adj>lpillow: perhaps you would be better off storing the config deltas and not the whole disk image...
10:18<lpillow>prolly so
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10:20<jackson>Remag, nagios is kinda the standard for that sort of thing
10:20<straterra>zenoss > nagios
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10:21<adj>straterra: no way man =) unless > means better UI
10:21<straterra>Oh, yes way
10:21<straterra>It's WAY more flexible and powerful
10:21<straterra>And you can load nagios plugins in to it
10:21<adj>how does it handle circular routes? like ospf routing paths?
10:21<Remag>Jacson, will is start / restart an app?
10:22<straterra>Perfectly fine
10:22<straterra>We use OSPF here as our primary routing protocol..and it actually paths them quite nicely
10:24<adj>ok. i'm not going to keep debating it =)
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10:24<jackson>Remag, yes. but it's not really trivial to set up
10:24<Remag>I was looking for something hopefully free... haha
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10:25<Null_> $180 per resource per year?
10:25<adj>Remag: monit.
10:25<Remag>Ya, I was looking at their website adj. I just didn't know if it would allow me to start / restart a java app
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10:26<straterra>zenoss is free o.O
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10:46<Null_>straterra: how big an environment you monitoring with zenoss?
10:46<straterra>An international corporation and all of its servers and services :P
10:47<Null_>cool, not trying to bash it, just curious how it performs in large installs. We use nagios here, and see some eventual bottlenecks.
10:48<straterra>It's a bit CPU hungry, but haven't had any issues having it scale
10:48<straterra>The main issue with it is distro support. It's tailored for enterprise distros, not every distro
10:49<Null_>it can be distributed across multiple machines I assume?
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10:49<straterra>You have a centralized server and multiple agent servers, if you want
10:49<straterra> agent at each location that actually sends data/queries to the servers. Then the main server and the agents talk if there is an issue
10:50<straterra>You can do that if you have to keep the network chatter down across your WAN
10:50<Null_>right yeah, similar to nagios and its active/passive checks. Well, the interface is nicer in zenoss at least :)
10:51<straterra>zenoss is also more sane
10:51<straterra>You can put in maintenance windows (I have one during our backup schedule to keep pages quiet)
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10:52<straterra>It also replaces cacti and does performance graphing of damn near anything
10:52<straterra>It'll generate network maps and show you network dependencies of things.
10:53<straterra>I use it to even page when our printers get low on ink..and I graph the paper/ink usage of the printers for reports for the ordering people
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10:53<straterra>It's just made the monitering so much easier to manage and organize
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10:55<Solver>I played around this weekend with nagiosgrapher but I think Zenoss is the way forward for me
10:55<Solver>I've used nagios since it was called netsaint but I think a change is in order
10:58<Bohemian>HoopyCat: you here?
10:58<Solver>ah strike that I was thinking of Zabbix
10:59<Peng>SelfishMan: ping
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11:06<amitz>Bohemian: HoopyCat is available for US$150 per hour ;-)
11:06<mwalling>amitz: pimping cats now?
11:06<amitz>the before grace from him was just to make you hooked and wanting more muahaha
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11:07<amitz>mwalling: anything goes. I pimp walls too.
11:08<amitz>you don't know what's in demand these days.
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11:29<Null_>yikes, apparently enom dns is down. Thats a lot of affected domains.
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11:47<Null_>2nd largest registrar, wonder what kind of zone file #'s they've actually got.
11:48<Peng>I already said this elsewhere, but: this is why people should use 2 DNS providers...
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12:14<JshWright>uh oh... someone's Linode showed up in my DenyHosts report
12:14<Battousai>wasn't mine
12:14<JshWright> gogogogogogo
12:16<JshWright>the IP in question doesn't appear to be up anyway, so perhaps someone else got to them first
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12:22<JshWright>stan_theman: you rock
12:22<HoopyCat>up up up up up up up up, and down down down down down down down down
12:22<HoopyCat>but in the end it's only round and round
12:23<TheFirst>up down up down left right left right a b a b select start?
12:23<Daevien>i can somehow picture hoopycat as a sleazy lounge singer
12:23<amitz>TheFirst: what version is that?
12:24<amitz>although at the end, I finally reached a game play level where I don't need it anymore ;-)
12:24<stan_theman>JshWright: :)
12:24<TheFirst>couldn't tell ya ... not the konami code but it's ingrained in my memory from some game
12:25<Pryon>you kids and your nintendos
12:26<JshWright>it's always nice getting an actual reply back regarding an abuse report, rather than the typical "This is an automated reply to tell you taht we have received your report, don't expect to hear back from us"
12:26<Pryon>JshWright: Usually linode's reply is "Yeah, we were on that a long time ago. You're so slow!"
12:26<JshWright>Daevien: dancing? ;)\
12:27<stan_theman>I've got your back!
12:27<JshWright>Pryon: that's pretty much what is was (phrased a little nicer)
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12:30<haroldramis>hello all. very generic question: any preference between ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10? spinning up a new test linode, and am not knowledgeable enough to know the difference.
12:31<JshWright>haroldramis: either use 8.04, or 9.10
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12:31<JshWright>9.10 will be supported until April 2011, 8.04 will be supported until April 2013
12:32<haroldramis>roger that... i was just trying to "save" some diskspace, and given the (almost double) size of 9.10, i thought i would ask... :)
12:32<JshWright>if you can wait a few months, 10.04 will be out, which will be supported until April 2015
12:32<JshWright>sticking with the LTS releases isn't a bad idea when it comes to servers
12:34<haroldramis>understood... thanks!
12:36<mwalling>the disk image may not have been shrunk down as much
12:37<mwalling>the sizes of the distros are kind of pointless IMO
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12:39<JshWright>SpaceHobo: so will 9.10
12:43<haroldramis>thanks... i think ill opt for 9.10 then - newer is always better, right? ;)
12:46<vulcan>hah, I never noticed that
12:46<vulcan>I always thought the version numbering was bizzare
12:48<haroldramis>good to know... thanks again...
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12:48<Pryon>haroldramis: please don't make a new Ghostbusters movie
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12:59<haroldramis>sorry, and in "curses, foiled again!"... my plot to release GhostBuster V... :p
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13:01<cdanzig>hey guys
13:01<cdanzig>anyone in here?
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13:02<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
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13:02<cdanzig>I want to clone a linode.. is this possible?
13:02<cdanzig>if so.. how?
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13:03<jackson>cdanzig, Settings & Utilities
13:04<jackson>Cline this Linode
13:04<jackson>err, Clone
13:04<mwalling>first google hit for "clone linode":
13:05*mwalling goes back to work
13:05<cdanzig>but google doesnt deliver answers with your sense of style
13:05<jackson>i am disappointed that no one used
13:05<JshWright>jackson: I was about to, but mwalling beat me with the google link, and it seemed redundant after that
13:05<mwalling>jackson: i was trying to the google search
13:06<mwalling>i'm out of coffee!
13:09*Nivex mashes the Big Red Button (tm)
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13:09<Nivex>get this man coffee, stat!
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13:12<Pryon>mwalling: do they make good coffee at work? If so, just another reason to hate you.
13:14<JshWright>I've never heard of an office with good coffee
13:15<JshWright>sadly, there's no good way to make decent coffee in an office (since I suspect my office mates would complain at the noise of a "real" grinder)
13:15<Pryon>They must not drink coffee, then
13:16<Null_>we've got beans/grinder ect. here. The company spent a fair bit of effort doing taste comparisons ect. before deciding on who to go with. No idea how much it costs, probably too much.
13:16<JshWright>well, they think they do...
13:17<mwalling>Pryon: fuck no
13:18<jackson>So you guys might be interested in this. It's a tool I've been working on to deploy images (in this case one created with Suse Studio) to nodes. (you guys are the first to see this btw)
13:18<mwalling>Pryon: ive got a kurieg in the basement that was victim to a ... long story. i'm thinking about bringing that in
13:19<JshWright>if the coffee has been ground more than 20 seconds before brewing, it's not worth drinking </snob>
13:19<Pryon>screencast by Woody Allen
13:19<mwalling>JshWright: what if it was ground then packed in a sealed single serve cup with N2 displacement?
13:20<jackson>Pryon, ignore the music, i just haven't done audio yet :)
13:20<Pryon>No way. The music's the best part
13:20<JshWright>mwalling: it's more than just oxidation
13:20<mwalling>JshWright: have you ever had a k-cup?
13:21<JshWright>mwalling: yep, the EMS break room at one of the local hospitals has one... I tried it once and wasn't impressed
13:21<mwalling>wait, what kind cup>
13:21<JshWright>I don't remember, "Our Blend" or somesuch...
13:21<mwalling>i've found the taste very polarizing... tully's sucks ass, GM dark magic is amazing
13:24<Pryon>jackson: Very cool. Any plans to allow use iwith arbitrary images or does it depend on suse studio metadata?
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13:24<jackson>Pryon, technically it should work with any image
13:25<jackson>I just haven't done a lot of testing yet
13:26<haroldramis>hmm... any reason why im unable to restart sshd with /etc/init.d/sshd restart (on ubuntu 9.10)
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13:26<haroldramis>"no sucn file or directory"
13:27<JshWright>did you try /etc/init.d/ssh ?
13:27<haroldramis>my public/private keys are working properly wiht PuTTY, but now that ive edited the conf file, i want to restart.. no joy
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13:28<JshWright>/etc/init.d/ssh restart
13:28<haroldramis>jshwright: will do...
13:28<JshWright>(I'm assuming you're logged in via lish)
13:29<mwalling>JshWright: restart wont kill running processes
13:29<haroldramis>start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 2066: Operation not permitted
13:29<haroldramis>Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
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13:30<haroldramis>do i need to copy my key from /home/me to /etc/ssh ...
13:30<JshWright>haroldramis: are you trying that as sudo/root?
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13:31<JshWright>mwalling: yeah... I just don't trust computers
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13:31<haroldramis>i am trying as sudo... i added my username via myname ALL=(ALL) ALL
13:32<haroldramis>ive been told to do things like "PermitRootLogin no" etc. , so i created my account with root privilidges... i thought
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13:37<haroldramis>ive logged in with my user account, and executed sudo commands successfully...
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13:46<haroldramis>looks like i had to enter "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart"
13:51<JshWright>did I say taht like 20 minutes ago?
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13:55<haroldramis>jshwright: yes, but i dont think with sudo...
13:56<JshWright>13:30 < JshWright> haroldramis: are you trying that as sudo/root?
13:56<haroldramis>that command worked when i was logged in as root...
13:56<haroldramis>that command worked when i was logged in as root...
13:56<haroldramis>i am logged in as a regular user, with root rights... if i understand the lingo correctly...
13:57<JshWright>you need to preface any command you want to run with elevated rights with "sudo"
13:57<haroldramis>myname ALL=(ALL) ALL
13:57<JshWright>right, that means you get to use sudo to run commands
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13:57<JshWright>you still need to type "sudo" in front of those commands if you want them to be run as root
13:57<haroldramis>roger that... i noticed that as well when trying to nano conf files... :)
13:58<haroldramis>i was editing all day long... try to save, and BLAMO... ;)
13:58<haroldramis>i had to sudo nano
13:58<JshWright>so save it as a different file, then sudo cp it into place
13:58<haroldramis>and now i know... *shooting star across the screen*
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13:59<haroldramis>aye... im starting to get the hang of it... at least some of these more rudimentary tasks...
14:00<haroldramis>so, with regards to ufw, which ive now configured... should i be concerned with a rule like this:
14:00<Incarnadine>Has anyone noticed locale issues with running aptitude on a default Debian 5.0.3 deployment, and if so what the fix is?
14:00<haroldramis>To: 22 Action: ALLOW From: ANYWHERE
14:00<mwalling>Incarnadine: try that
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14:01<haroldramis>the "anywhere" part is where im unclear
14:01<Incarnadine>mwalling, Thanks.
14:01<haroldramis>i added ruels for 22, 25, 80, 443, 993 and 995
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14:09<haroldramis>whoa! so i just blew away a test debian linode, and have been working on this ubuntu version...
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14:09<haroldramis>i thought i would have to redo all my DNS settings, but no.. all the info. is still there! :)
14:09<haroldramis>+1 for :D
14:10<haroldramis>of course, that probably just shows my ignorance in all things server...
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14:24<linbot>New news from forums: Help installing Postfix on CentOS - Null Client in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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14:43<SelfishMan>Peng: urmom
14:44<linbot>straterra: Usage: !dns6 name [type [class]]
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14:45<straterra>!dns6 AAAA
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14:45<linbot>straterra: The query name does not exist.
14:45<mwalling>!dig AAAA
14:45<linbot>mwalling: [dig] status: NXDOMAIN | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 86400 IN SOA 2009101202 28800 7200 864000 86400
14:45<straterra>I..don't see an answer
14:45<mwalling>!dig ANY
14:45<linbot>mwalling: [dig] status: NXDOMAIN | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 86400 IN SOA 2009101202 28800 7200 864000 86400
14:45<mwalling>!dig ANY
14:45<linbot>mwalling: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 86400 IN SOA 2009101202 28800 7200 864000 86400 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION
14:45<TheFirst>straterra: probably because there isn't one?
14:45<straterra>Yes there is
14:46<straterra> is a CNAME
14:46<straterra>Just directly queried the name server thats authoritative for has it
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14:48<TheFirst>straterra: linode's nameservers are listed as authoritate and don't have the record
14:48<straterra>!dig @ AAAA
14:48<linbot>straterra: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
14:51<straterra>I wonder..
14:51<linbot>straterra: [dig] status: NXDOMAIN | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION . 86400 IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. 2010011100 1800 900 604800 86400
14:51<straterra>Assigned to Linode
14:52<linbot>New news from forums: Enable cut & paste in Centos 5 ? in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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15:02<Big-Mama>I have a Ubuntu 32-bit server running, how can I make that accesible from the internet?
15:03<Big-Mama>I believe getting it a static ip adress instead of dhcp is what I need to do, or?
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15:03<CaptainBriney>You're talking about your linode, right?
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15:03<CaptainBriney>It's already accessible to the internet.
15:04<CaptainBriney>You don't have to change it to static if you don't want to.
15:04<Big-Mama>No, it's not my linode. I have a Linode, but I'm trying to achieve the same effect at home.
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15:04<CaptainBriney>do you have a firewall or a router at all?
15:04<Big-Mama>Is that a "nono" in here? Sorry if it is :/
15:04<Big-Mama>Yes I do, I have a modem and a WiFi router.
15:05<Big-Mama>It's connected to my wifi router.
15:05<Big-Mama>It's a 3Com by the way (I hate it).
15:05<CaptainBriney>No, I'll tell you, but just so you know it's usually against your ISP's EULA
15:05<CaptainBriney>what services are you going to run off of it?
15:05<Big-Mama>Ooh, that I didn't know!
15:06<Big-Mama>I have an Apache, irssi, rtorrent, the usual stuff :)
15:06<CaptainBriney>who is your ISP/
15:06<CaptainBriney>they might have a problem with it if a lot of people start to connect to it, but they will probably send you a shut it off letter.
15:06<Pryon>(s)he may live in a country where the ISPs aren't poopy
15:07<Big-Mama>hmm, it's Telenor
15:07<CaptainBriney>but anyway, to get a static ip, open up /etc/network/interfaces
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15:07<Big-Mama>But I doubt it's a problem.
15:07<Big-Mama>sudo nano I take it then.
15:07<CaptainBriney>yeah or sudo vi
15:07<CaptainBriney>doesn't matter
15:07<CaptainBriney>or any text editor lol
15:07<CaptainBriney>and it will say auto eth0
15:07<Big-Mama>Hehe, sorry, kind of new :)
15:08<CaptainBriney>iface eth0 inet dchp
15:08<CaptainBriney>np lol :)
15:08<joshuak>launching PuTTY is suddenly giving me "PuTTY Fatal Error: Server unexpectedly closed network connection"
15:08<CaptainBriney>Joshuak: on your linode? reboot it or oob connect
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15:08<CaptainBriney>anyway big-mama
15:09<Big-Mama>should I outcomment anything?
15:09<CaptainBriney>change dhcp to static
15:09<CaptainBriney>so it should look like iface eth0 inet static
15:09<Big-Mama>what line do I need to change?
15:09<CaptainBriney>and then you have to add three lines to it
15:09<joshuak>captainbriney: yes, brand new linode... well, new install as of this morning. i just rebooted as well.
15:09<SevenEleven>what's the CPU speed on a Linode 360 plan?
15:10<joshuak>and "oob connect"?
15:10<CaptainBriney>Out of Band access
15:10<CaptainBriney>look up lish
15:10<CaptainBriney>okay so underneath auto eth0
15:10<joshuak>via the console from im guessing...
15:10<azaghal>Is it required a rock band, or some other genre? :)
15:10<joshuak>ill look into it...
15:10<CaptainBriney>it should say iface eth0 inet static
15:10<CaptainBriney>instead of iface eth0 inet dhcp
15:11<CaptainBriney>now you need to add three lines
15:11<CaptainBriney>address, gateway, and netmask
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15:11<CaptainBriney>for address, put the static ip address that you want your server to have on the local intranet
15:11<CaptainBriney>so like 192.168.x.x
15:12<Big-Mama>yeah, can I keep the ip it already has on the lan?
15:12<Big-Mama>Now it's
15:12<Big-Mama>I'll just keep that then.
15:12<CaptainBriney>yes you can.
15:12<JshWright>might be easier (and safer) to set up a static lease in your router
15:12<CaptainBriney>yeah probably actually
15:12<JshWright>that was the router won't try to assign that IP to someone else while you're not looking
15:13<Big-Mama>Nah, this is just a little project of mine, not a big thing.
15:13<Big-Mama>Not so important.
15:13<CaptainBriney>I don't know how to do that with his router so... haha
15:13<CaptainBriney>so put under address the word gateway and then
15:13<Big-Mama>just forget that, I have htpwd the rtgui should be okay :P
15:13<CaptainBriney>because your router is assigning a 1.x dchp right?
15:13<JshWright>well, then he should make sure he's sets a static address outside the range of addresses assigned by the router
15:14<cluelesslinodenewb>is there a security to do checklist for servers?
15:14<Big-Mama>Actually, to be honest, I have no clue what dhcp is.
15:14<Big-Mama>I'm that big of a noob.
15:14<cluelesslinodenewb>i know what it is haha
15:14<TheFirst>sounds like a bit of googling is in order
15:14<cluelesslinodenewb>tht was it though mamma
15:14<CaptainBriney>dhcp is the way that devices like routers assign ip addresses to computers or printers or whatever that is connecting to them
15:15<mwalling>dynamic host control protocol
15:15<Big-Mama>Aha, I see.
15:15<CaptainBriney>anyway under gateway put netmask
15:15<CaptainBriney>save quit
15:15<TheFirst>configuration protocol
15:15<mwalling>clsoe enough
15:15<mwalling>and normal routers dont do dhcp. SOHO boxes do, but SOHO boxes also will make toast
15:15<TheFirst>mwalling: suppose you say that when you wake up after a night of drinking next to a goat, huh?
15:16<Big-Mama>That's my file anyhow.
15:16<mwalling>TheFirst: my pandora tab as teleported 800,000,000 goats
15:16<Big-Mama>Right CaptainBriney, saved and im back on the commandline.
15:16<JshWright>that's a lotta goats
15:16<CaptainBriney>put the word address in front of
15:16<JshWright>how are you going to pay for all those teleporation services?
15:16<CaptainBriney>open it again lol
15:17<CaptainBriney>put the word address in front of
15:17<mwalling>JshWright: google provides it for me
15:17<mwalling>now if only i can land a free nexus one
15:17<Big-Mama>Yep CaptainBriney, all done :)
15:17<CaptainBriney>kk now save and quit again
15:17<Big-Mama>done =)
15:17<straterra>What currency has the symbol of like a backwards e, with two lines in the middle?
15:18<CaptainBriney>now type in sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
15:18<JshWright>mwalling: that didn't stop this user from having to pay for the teleportations:
15:18<azaghal>straterra: Euro?
15:18<mwalling>ok, did this get on reddit or something?
15:18<Big-Mama> * Reconfiguring network interfaces...
15:18<mwalling>bd_ showed us that this morning
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15:18<Big-Mama>Kind of frooze :P
15:18<mwalling>(not here)
15:18<JshWright>mwalling: I think I saw it on HN
15:18<Big-Mama>And I got disconnected from ssh.
15:18<JshWright>I don't reddit
15:18<CaptainBriney>give it a sec
15:18<Big-Mama>Should I just reconnect?
15:18<JshWright>(or digg)
15:19<CaptainBriney>are you ssh'ing into it?
15:19<mwalling>i dont do either, unless i'm really bored, then i'll do HN first, then reddit if i'm not satisfied
15:19<Big-Mama>but I can switch to keyboard, no problemo
15:19<CaptainBriney>kk if it froze it's probably because it's messed up and disconnected you
15:20<Big-Mama>well, i dont think it froze.
15:20<Big-Mama>Im back in anyway.
15:20<CaptainBriney>type in ifconfig
15:20<CaptainBriney>what happened
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15:20<Big-Mama>hang on, need to go over there lol
15:21<CaptainBriney>did you get a bunch of stuff on your screen or did it just give you a command prompt again
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15:21<stanix>i need some info on configuring smtp server
15:21<Big-Mama>it gave me a bunch of stuff
15:22<stanix>(i have ubuntu installed on linode vps account)
15:22<CaptainBriney>type in sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart again. does it say FAIL or OK?
15:22<Big-Mama>ssh or keyboard? :P
15:23<CaptainBriney>keyboard for now
15:23<Big-Mama>lets see
15:23<Big-Mama>gave me an o
15:24<Big-Mama>Or rather a [OK]
15:24<CaptainBriney>okay you should be set then
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15:25<Big-Mama>Good stuff :)
15:25<CaptainBriney>so now you have a static ip address on your server
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15:25<Big-Mama>That easy huh?
15:26<CaptainBriney>now to make it accessable to the internet, imo (someone correct me if it's wrong) but the easiest way would be to port forward in your router.
15:26<Big-Mama>Im guessing port 80?
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15:26<CaptainBriney>I don't know how to port forward in your router, though.
15:26<Big-Mama>hmm, port forwarding on my router suck.
15:27<CaptainBriney>so you might have to figure that one out on your own
15:27<CaptainBriney>or do some googling
15:27<Big-Mama>And how can I see my static ip by the way?
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15:27<CaptainBriney>what do you mean
15:27<Big-Mama>didnt my ubuntu box just get a static ip?
15:27<CaptainBriney>on your lan
15:27<Big-Mama>So in theory, if my port was forwarded, and someone typed that ip, they would see my apache in a browser.
15:28<Big-Mama>What Ip would they have to type from outside the network?
15:28<Big-Mama>oh, okay.
15:28<CaptainBriney>the ip address that your internet connection has
15:28<CaptainBriney>go to
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15:28<Big-Mama>So my desktop computer and my linux server shares this ip?
15:29<CaptainBriney>effectively yes.
15:29<CaptainBriney>what you need to do is get into your router, and forward port 80 to your server's ip address.
15:29<Big-Mama>local ip?
15:30<CaptainBriney>you can go to your server's ip address on your desktop right now and see the apache default page or whatever you have on your server right now, but you need to have all incoming connections on port 80 forwarded to the local ip that you just set on your server
15:31<Big-Mama>Yep, so basically, if someone tries to reach my internet connection with port 80 they will be sent to my server?
15:32<Big-Mama>And one more thing CaptainBriney: Should I port forward my wifi router, or my modem?
15:33<JshWright>Big-Mama: from whatever device acts as your gateway
15:33<Big-Mama>And I take it that the gateway is the first device on my chain of network devices?
15:34<CaptainBriney>it would probably be on your wifi router
15:34<JshWright>it's the device that sits between the WAN and you LAN
15:34<linbot>New news from forums: can't change timezone on Fedora Core in General Discussion <>
15:34<Big-Mama>Aha, I see, I'll give it a shot and come crawling up to you guys if it fails.
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15:35<Pryon>"What is that think crawling up to us?" "I dunno, better kill it to be safe!"
15:35<Nivex>*boom* headshot
15:36<Big-Mama>Hehe :P
15:36<Big-Mama>Is it really this simple CaptainBriney?
15:38<GhostInTheAnime>my ISP blocks FTP connections
15:38<Big-Mama>Thought you were commenting my printscreen.
15:39<GhostInTheAnime>it won't even load
15:39<GhostInTheAnime>now it does
15:39<linbot>New news from forums: Wordpress Permalink Change - NGINX Rewrite Wanted in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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15:40<Big-Mama>CaptainBriney: Should I press 'Add'? :P
15:40<Big-Mama>Or chuck my computer out of the window?
15:43<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
15:43<TimothyA>could someone tell me how an ISP could prevent file uploads? :|
15:44<mwalling>very easilly
15:44<mwalling>does your traffic pass through thier equipment?
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15:44<TimothyA>...of course?
15:44<mwalling>then assume all of your traffic has been tampered with
15:45<TimothyA>...but how do they know specificly what is a file upload and what isn't
15:45<TimothyA>I've been trying to upload text files all day
15:45<Big-Mama>Yeah, those texts file are so much fun!
15:46<mwalling>ftp is a plain text protocol
15:46<mwalling>they can do what ever they want with it
15:46<TimothyA>I'm paying wait too much to let them control what I do on the internet
15:46<mwalling>aparently not
15:46<TimothyA>300$ a month
15:47<Pryon>when you say "prevent file uploads", what do you mean, *exactly*? Connection refused?
15:48<TimothyA>Pryon; when I try to upload a file (HTTP, FTP, HTTPS) it will start, but send nothing
15:48<TimothyA>and eventually time out
15:48<mwalling>TimothyA: someone has to pay for the cable to get data off .an
15:48<TimothyA>mwalling; they're getting it for free as part of a deal
15:49<TimothyA>the infrastructure on the island is just shot to sh*t
15:49<TimothyA>and people with too little minds get way too large paychecks
15:50<TimothyA>they put the guy who said "Uuuuh, how does the power button work" at a computer conference in charge for the CAR-IX project
15:50<Pryon>TimothyA: does an mtr to your target host reveal anything interesting?
15:50<Big-Mama>Pryon: Could you help me out a bit?
15:51<TimothyA>I don't have any packetsniffing tools installed atm
15:51<Pryon>Big-Mama: My advice to you is "try it and see". Seriously. You're not going to hurt anything. You're still waiting to press the "add" button, right?
15:51<mwalling>packet sniffing?
15:51<Big-Mama>Yeah, I am, like a fucking caveman.
15:51<mwalling>MTR is hardly packet sniffing
15:51<Big-Mama>I'll just press it.
15:51<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
15:51<Big-Mama>Fuck, here goes nothing.
15:52<TimothyA>mwalling; I can access the target host just fine
15:52<TimothyA>but as soon as I do an file upload, it f*cks up
15:52<mwalling>thats not what was asked
15:53<mwalling>its not a question of do your packets get tehre, but how do your packets get there
15:54<Big-Mama>Right Pryon, I pressed it.
15:54<Big-Mama>No harm done.
15:54<TimothyA>nothing out of the ordinary
15:54<Big-Mama>But how do I check if it worked?
15:54<TimothyA>except that the ping is exceptionally low
15:55<Pryon>Big-Mama: try to connect to your httpd from a remote host
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15:56<Big-Mama>Ah, okey.
15:56<TimothyA>can't see youtube videos either :|
15:56*mwalling thinks transparent proxies are involved
15:56<TimothyA>i doubt it
15:57<TimothyA>when I worked there, nobody knew what a proxy was and that it was a "hacker thing"
15:57<Big-Mama>Pryon: What IP should I reach exactely?
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15:57<mwalling>just because they dont know what it is doesnt mean that they bought some off the shelf equipment that a vendor installed and supporetd
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15:57<Big-Mama>Chickenip something?
15:57<TimothyA>okay, apparently I can't POST forms anymore
15:57<Pryon>Big-Mama: whatever the external IP address of your router is
15:58<TimothyA>this is going to ruin my life
15:58<Pryon>TimothyA: sounds like a general network problem
15:58<Big-Mama>How do I find my external IP?
15:58<TimothyA>Pryon; P2P still works
15:59<TimothyA>is MSN up for you guys?
15:59<Pryon>the web site?
15:59<Fried>Jabber ftw
15:59<TimothyA>the IM service
15:59<mwalling>Fried: not helping
15:59<mwalling>[01-11] 15:59:24 <@root> 1. msn, (connected)
15:59<Pryon>Big-Mama: one moment
15:59<mwalling>based on my expierence with HughesNet, its a transparent proxy
15:59<mwalling>TimothyA: find an https site and try it
15:59<Pryon>Big-Mama: are you IRCing from the machine you want to server www from?
16:00<Big-Mama>Uhm, almost.
16:00<TimothyA>mwalling; try what? accessing or uploading to it?
16:00<Big-Mama>The machine next to it.
16:00<mwalling>TimothyA: yes
16:00<Big-Mama>On the same router.
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16:00<Pryon>Big-Mama: are they both on the same side of the router?
16:00<mwalling>TimothyA: try everything. they cant transparently proxy https
16:00<Big-Mama>But hang on, let me irssi instead from the server
16:00<Pryon>there you go
16:00<TimothyA>....son of a bitch
16:00<Big-Mama>thats one simple ip
16:01*TimothyA dials a very certain phone number
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16:01<Big-Mama>However Pryon, entering in my browser sends me to my speedtouch config page.
16:02<Pryon>Big-Mama: You have to try it from an external host to trigger the port forward
16:02<Big-Mama>ah, okey
16:02<Big-Mama>boot the 3g modem then I guess
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16:02<Pryon>FYI, I can't connect to that IP address
16:02<Big-Mama>why dont you just enter the ip?
16:03<Big-Mama>then something is wrong I guess
16:03<Pryon>Well, not on port 80
16:03<Guest1712>hey, has anybody successfully uploaded a ClarkConnect image to there linode in here?
16:03<Big-Mama>Pryon: As far as I know the port is forwarded.
16:03<Big-Mama>Some friend told me I had to setup my router in "bridge mode",
16:04<Pryon>Big-Mama: As far as I know, that's irrelevant to this problem
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16:04<Big-Mama>I can see that there is a port forward tool on my speedtouch modem aswell.
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16:04<Big-Mama>Should I enter the same settings there?
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16:05<Pryon>Big-Mama: What does your network look like? How many routers/"modems" do you have?
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16:06<Pryon>Big-Mama: Also, have you confirmed that you have a web server listening? What happens if you do 'telnet localhost 80' ?
16:06<Big-Mama>I have one speedtouch modem that is connected to the phoneline/whatyoucallit (:P). And from there I have a LAN cable connected to a 3Com wifi router, this is where my desktop machine and server are connected.
16:06<Big-Mama>By entering I reach apache.
16:06<Big-Mama>Guess that's proof enough, or?
16:06<kenichi>"LAN cable"
16:06<Big-Mama>Yeah, sorry.
16:06<Big-Mama>Bad term.
16:07<tarpman>wireless LAN cable
16:08<Fried>wireless lan tube
16:08<GhostInTheAnime>dead modem is dead
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16:09<Pryon>Big-Mama: please paste the current version of your "virtual servers" page from your 3-com router
16:09<Big-Mama>Pryon: Telnet localhost 80 didnt work.
16:09<Big-Mama>I will.
16:09<Pryon>Big-Mama: that's fine. You're listening on the correct interface.
16:10<Big-Mama> Web(http) 80
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16:12<Pryon>That *seems* like the correct setting (although you can probably set the virtual DMZ to "off" assuming you've got nothing in the DMZ)
16:12<Pryon>Is there anything interesting in the logs on your router? (Try the "status and logs" link on the left)
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16:13<Big-Mama>Okay, switched off.
16:13<Big-Mama>Checking logs.
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16:13<Pryon>Specifically, look for messages about blocking connections to port 80
16:14<Big-Mama>Thats the entire log.
16:14<Big-Mama>No port 80 denials.
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16:15<Guest1712>im new here, but dose anyone have some time that can help me out with an issue i am having mounting a filesystem to my linode custom distro?
16:16<Pryon>Big-Mama: on the machine with the web server, what does this return: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'
16:16<Big-Mama>inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
16:16<Big-Mama>ssh that is, if it matters.
16:16<Pryon>okay, jut making sure
16:19<Big-Mama>yep :)
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16:20<Big-Mama>Found anything interesting Pryon?
16:20<Pryon>Big-Mama: Does your router have a setting for "log everything"? Any configural parameters at all for logging?
16:20<Pryon>Big-Mama: It's quite possible that your ISP filters incoming connections on certain popular ports.
16:20<Big-Mama>No, doesnt look like it.
16:21<Big-Mama>The help button doesnt even execute anything.
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16:21<joshuak>from a security perspective, how important is it to create a user with sudo rights, and set "PermitRootLogin no" in sshd_config?
16:21*Pryon wonders if the speedtouch isn't also doing its own firewalling
16:22<Big-Mama>Pryon: I'm thinking the exact same thing.
16:22<Pryon>joshuak: I'd consider those orthogonal
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16:22<Big-Mama>Let me get you a screenshot.
16:22<Pryon>joshuak: That is, I think you should not permit root logins to ssh. su to root or use sudo from a regular account
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16:24<joshuak>ok, so approaching it from another angle... is leaving the root account "active" ok, as long as ive disabled password auth, and forced key pair auth?
16:24<joshuak>im looking at this from a novices perspective, and trying to implement some best practices ive been reading
16:24<Pryon>I'd still disallow root login via ssh
16:24<Big-Mama>Pryon, check that out,
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16:25<joshuak>sp, disable root login, but dont create my user with ALL=(ALL) ALL
16:25-!-i_cry_dark_tears is now known as i_cry_darker_tears
16:25<joshuak>just login as the user, and sudo what i need
16:26<Pryon>joshuak: I'm not the best person to ask about su vs. sudo. I don't really use sudo
16:26-!-i_cry_darker_tears is now known as stan_theman
16:26<Pryon>But connecting as the user and then elevating priveleges somehow - yes
16:26<joshuak>gotcha... thanks!
16:26<Big-Mama>Looks legit Pryon?
16:27<Pryon>Big-Mama: My guess is that you're on the right track. However, you'll probably need to use the WAN address of the 3-com router as the device in your speedtouch setup.
16:28<Big-Mama>Ah, I'm too tired to deal with this atm. :P
16:29<Big-Mama>Anyway, thanks for you help.
16:29<jorand>I have uploaded a centos based distro, but get errors upon boot stating it could not mount the primary drive "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem." but the filesystem is ext3. through my reasearch so far i have found an issue like this related to /etc/fstab being incorrect for the same distro but it dosent seem to be the issue for me, i can explain further.. but can anyone help me
16:33<jorand>please :)
16:33<Pryon>Big-Mama: you're probably dealing with something like this: (look at the bottom one for less broken)
16:33<Big-Mama>Ah, look at that!
16:34<Big-Mama>Yes, looks pretty correct.
16:34<Pryon>I'd have to see the WAN address on the 3-com to be sure, though
16:34<Big-Mama>How would I obtain that?
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16:35<Pryon>If I had to guess (and I do), I'd say either on the "LAN settings" page or the "Internet settings" page
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16:36<Big-Mama>What kind of a number am I looking for here?
16:36<Big-Mama>Ordinary IP?
16:36<Pryon>Yes. However, if the 3-com is in bridge mode...
16:36<Big-Mama>I dont believe it is.
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16:37<Big-Mama>Dont know if that helps.
16:37-!-mau [~Cookie@] has joined #linode
16:37<Big-Mama>But I cant seem to find any other IP-adress.
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16:37<Pryon>how did you generate that last paste?
16:38<Big-Mama>"Routing table".
16:38<Big-Mama>In the 3Com.
16:39<Pryon>In any case, I suggest using as the "device" in your "assigned games & applications" page for your web server on the speedtouch
16:39<Big-Mama>Ah, I see what you're getting at.
16:39<Big-Mama>Ill try that then.
16:40<Pryon>lemme know when you've done it
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16:40<Big-Mama>working on it, seems like my speedtouch timed out
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16:42<Big-Mama>Pryon: How did you obtain my internet connections ip?
16:42-!-zack [] has joined #linode
16:42<Big-Mama>Seems like it's assigned a new one
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16:42<Pryon>Big-Mama: Sorry, I'm an idiot. is the LAN side of the 3-com. I'm having a devil of a time trying to figure out how you can find out the WAN side.
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16:43<Big-Mama>I'm so thankful for you helping me out =) Thanks again!
16:43<Pryon>surely there's a place on the 3-com's config that shows the WAN address.
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16:43<Pryon>Do you happen to know the model # of that router?
16:43<Big-Mama>Sure, let me get it.
16:44<Pryon>one moment
16:44<Big-Mama>3Com Officeconnect.
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16:49<Pryon>Big-Mama: Okay, there should be a "Configuration Summary" page. Unfortunately, the manual suggests that it's only available after you run the configuration wizard (gah!)
16:49<Pryon>Is there nothing like that under "Status and Logs" ?
16:49<Big-Mama>Not a problem, I can surely run that config again.
16:49<Big-Mama>If it helps the case.
16:50<Pryon>Also, the pictures in the manual PDF have a resolution of about 12x15 and do not scale. Go 3Com!
16:50<Big-Mama>Yeah, this company totally sucks, I know.
16:50<Big-Mama>ISP Gateway Address
16:50<Big-Mama>DHCP Range to
16:51-!-hfb [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:51<Big-Mama>Not that much more information.
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16:52<Pryon>That's the 3-com's WAN-side address
16:53<Big-Mama>Ah, sorry for missing that.
16:54<Big-Mama>So, thats the ip i need to enter on the speedtouch?
16:54<Pryon>I believe so
16:54<Big-Mama>Okay, Ill try that then.
16:54<Big-Mama>Any idea why suddenly wont work?
16:55<Pryon>Well, when you restarted your speedTouch, your ISP assigned a new IP address to the external interface
16:55<Big-Mama>Could you find the new external IP?
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16:55<Big-Mama>IPChicken says
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16:56<Pryon>Big-Mama: when you say " won't work", what do you mean? You're using that for your IRC connection.
16:57<Fried>get a linode
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16:57<Pryon>Yes, getting a linode would make this all go away
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16:58<Pryon>Plus, you could IRC from it and stay connected long enough to forget how to use irssi
16:58<Fried>Could it be your ISP is blocking port 80.
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16:59<Big-Mama>I've got a Linode.
16:59<Pryon>Yes, a perusal of your ISP's terms of service and acceptable use policy would probably be informational
16:59<Big-Mama>Anyway, I should change to
16:59<Big-Mama>In the speedtouch?
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17:00<Pryon>(that's what I would try)
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17:01<Big-Mama>Okay done.
17:02<Big-Mama>Did it work?
17:02<Big-Mama>No way.
17:03<Big-Mama>Damn, yeah, it works.
17:03<Big-Mama>Im shocked right now.
17:03<Big-Mama>Haha, oh man, thank you so much Pryon!
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17:04<Big-Mama>What a huge relief to check that shit off my todolist.
17:04<Pryon>If Norwegian ISPs turn out to be asshats, get a linode :-)
17:04<Big-Mama>I've got one.
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17:05<Big-Mama>Just one last step Pryon, and I will leave you in peace.
17:06<Big-Mama>How would I assign a more remerable domain?
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17:06<Pryon>How does one pronounce Å ?
17:07<Big-Mama>I would like to use my personal domain,
17:07<Big-Mama>It's setup with Linode manager
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17:09<jorand>if you have a dns server on your linode currently ex. bind you can create a host in your domain pointing to your ip
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17:10<jorand>which would be "whatever"
17:10<Fried>use a dyndns service, and create a CNAME to it from your Linode DNS Manager
17:10<Fried>I think that would be more reliable
17:10<Pryon>Almost certainly easier, too
17:10<jorand>yea, i wasnt thinking about the whole dynamic ip issue
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17:12<Big-Bckup>Hi again, had to switch computers.
17:12<Big-Bckup>Pryon: Did you respond to my DNS question regarding using a subdomain for my Linode domain?
17:13<Pryon>Yes, I pasted a link to, a provider of that sort of service.
17:13<Pryon>Fried responded with a more complete solution: < Fried> use a dyndns service, and create a CNAME to it from your Linode DNS Manager
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17:15<Big-Bckup>So it's not as simple as forwarding to my 88 ip?
17:16<Pryon>What happens when your ISP gives you a new IP address?
17:17<Big-Bckup>I didn't think of that.
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17:17<Big-Bckup>So I'll get a new ip when I restart my "internet connection"?
17:17<jorand>most leases for ip are 12/24hrs but you may keep you old one.. just depends
17:18<jorand>i have had the same ip for about a month
17:18<Big-Bckup>Still, it's not a good choice to forward everything to that adress.
17:18<Big-Bckup>Is it hard to setup dyndns?
17:18<jorand>yea, i agree completely
17:18<Pryon>I had the same for about a year. Then comcast was doing some major work behind the scenes and I had about a dozen different IP addresses in a month.
17:19<jorand>you just run a client on your computer that updates when it detects a change
17:19<Big-Bckup>I see.
17:19<jorand>dyndns offers it as a download. if you run linux. there are some scripts
17:19<Big-Bckup>Any guides out there?
17:19<jorand>oh yea severaly
17:20<jorand>several* sorry cant type
17:20<mwalling>inventing new words?
17:20<Fried>i was talking in my scrollback history
17:21*Pryon abuses mikegrb severally
17:23<Big-Bckup>Which one should I choose?
17:23<Pryon>the free one
17:24<Big-Bckup>Ah, so now I can choose my own free subdomain.
17:24<Big-Bckup>Funny, any creative ones?
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17:27<Pryon>I think the list is static, which makes creativity a bit difficult
17:27<jorand>"just figured i would try one more time" i uploaded a distribution based on centos to my linode following the guides. but after i finsh all steps it cannot mount the root fs error "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
17:27<jorand>filesystem." but i can mount the fs in the finnix config with no issues and its ext3 not ext2.
17:28<jorand>any1 have any ideas, or want to help?
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17:28*Pryon is completely ignorant of booting custom distributions
17:29<jorand>i got it to work once.. but i had to reinstall it.. sadly i didnt do anything diffrent
17:30<Big-Bckup>Still, that only points to the changeable ip.
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17:31<Big-Bckup>Ah, there it is, the DNS Updater.
17:31<Big-Bckup>"To keep the DNS updated with your latest IP".
17:31<Big-Bckup>Is that easy to install on Ubuntu Server?
17:34<jorand>its been a while since i have personally used them but from what i remember they installed without issues
17:34<jorand>they provide setup instructions for inadyn and ddclient at
17:35*caker is setupping
17:35<Big-Bckup>Yep, so I noticed.
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17:38<straterra>caker: Is that a trigger?
17:38<Guspaz|m>caker isn't triggered, he's just random.
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17:38<straterra>mymom triggers him
17:38*caker has englished good
17:38<linbot>Guspaz|m: The two most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and urmom. (830:3/1) [urmom]
17:38<straterra>That's why I get such a great Linode discount..
17:38<Guspaz|m>!urmom vote down 830
17:38<straterra>I pay with mymom
17:38<linbot>Guspaz|m: Voted down 830 [moumr]
17:39<HoopyCat>eat a dick, Guspaz|m
17:39<straterra>!urmom vote up 830
17:39<linbot>straterra: Voted up 830 [rmoum]
17:39<Big-Bckup>How do I install ddclient-3.8.0 on my Ubuntu server?
17:39<HoopyCat>straterra: <3
17:40<Guspaz|m>HoopyCat: Have any dicks in particular in mind?
17:40<tarpman>Big-Bckup: using the package manager
17:40<TheFirst>Big-Bckup: man apt-get
17:40<Big-Bckup>So, wget the url?
17:40<Big-Bckup>Oh, is it in a rep.?
17:41<tarpman>Big-Bckup: it's in the repository, you don't need to get it yourself
17:41<Big-Bckup>apt-get install ddclient
17:41<Big-Bckup>Nice and easy
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17:44<Big-Bckup>Hmm, I got that when I installed.
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17:45<Big-Bckup>What should I do?
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17:46<TheFirst>it's telling you
17:46<Big-Bckup>That command?
17:47<Big-Bckup>I didnt quite understand what its trying to tell me to do.
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17:59<Big-Mama>Best application to display network/cpu/temp stats via. apache?
18:01<Big-Mama>ah, thanks
18:02<Solver>there are lots of options thought
18:02<Big-Mama>so that just apperead there when you did sudo apt-get install munin-node (server)
18:03<Big-Mama>Do I need munin and munin-node do display statistics?
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18:04<Guspaz|m>If it's all on the same server, yeah, I believe so.
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18:06<Big-Mama>Why /localdomain? :S
18:06<Guspaz|m>Because Munin is designed to have multiple servers reported in the one place.
18:06<Big-Mama>oh, okay
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18:06<Big-Mama>So I can link my linode up to that same munin?
18:07<Guspaz|m>Sigh, my workplace bans the entire domain.
18:07<Guspaz|m>Yeah, you can have multiple servers linked into the one place. I've never set it up though.
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18:07<Big-Mama>How come nothing is logged yet?
18:08<Pryon>you probably don't want munin to update every second
18:08<Guspaz|m>munin updates every 5 minutes.
18:09<Big-Mama>is that default?
18:09<Guspaz|m>Yes, but last time I set it up on Ubuntu I had to take some extra step to get it working (which I didn't in the past)... I don't remember what it was, though.
18:10<Big-Mama>Thats bad news.
18:10<Big-Mama>Works here! :D
18:11<Guspaz|m>Glad to hear :)
18:11<Big-Mama>Any cool root index.html file? "It works!" is kind of lame.
18:11<Guspaz|m>Generating the graphs can take a little bit of CPU time (although I find it to be trivial), so some people like to have it gather data every 5 minutes, but generate graphs less frequently. Personally, I don't care.
18:12<Big-Mama>What's an 'ok' temperature?
18:12<Guspaz|m>Depends on the environment and CPU.
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18:13<Big-Mama>22 bad?
18:13<Linoder>is there a discount for purchases if I'm an existing linode customer?
18:13<Guspaz|m>Mine idles between 40-55 degrees depending on the temperature in my room, and peaks about 80ish.
18:13<Guspaz|m>So it runs a bit hot.
18:13<Guspaz|m>But I'm just using the stock heatsink on an i7 920.
18:14<Big-Mama>What do you use your server for?
18:14<Guspaz|m>That's my desktop, not my server.
18:14<Guspaz|m>My Linode hosts a few websites and services, not much.
18:14<Guspaz|m>I'm building a 10TB file server, but it won't do much but act as a file server. And it's waiting on the last few parts :(
18:14<@caker>Linoder: no
18:14<Big-Mama>10TB is alot.
18:15<Guspaz|m>caker: Is there a discount if I'm a customer of urmom?
18:15<Big-Mama>Nighty night.
18:15<Guspaz|m>Just the PSU, SAS controller, and some notebook disks for RAID-1 boot.
18:15<tarpman>Guspaz|m: urmom gives *everyone* a discount.
18:15<tarpman>among other things :D
18:15<Linoder>i need a VPS that does nothing but not-so-important cron jobs
18:15<Linoder>can anyone recommend anything cheaper than linode that's relatively relaible?
18:15<Guspaz|m>Linoder: Can you not do it on your existing Linode?
18:15<bob2>Linoder: lucky a 360 costs approximately 6 coffees
18:16<Guspaz|m>40 coffees here.
18:16<Guspaz|m>Hmm, not accounting for exchange rate.
18:16<Linoder>Some of my cron jobs seem to tank my VPS... so I'd rather move away all the non-sessential crap
18:16<Guspaz|m>42.4 coffees.
18:17<Guspaz|m>Well, there's the $20 360. But, tank in what way?
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18:17<Guspaz|m>If it's insanely disk intensive, it might get complaints from the host.
18:17<bob2>where can you get good coffee for < usd$0.5?
18:17<Linoder>Guspaz: My VPS CPU goes up to 100% once in a while
18:17<Linoder>my guess is my cron jobs
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18:17<Guspaz|m>Linodes have four virtual CPUs. If your cron job maxes out one of them, it's no big deal.
18:17<Linoder>then apache doesn't respond, mysql doesn't do crap, etc.
18:18<chesty>you're running out of memory more likely
18:18<Guspaz|m>What the heck is your cron job doing that it can max out four CPU cores?
18:18<mwalling>bob2: my kurig machine
18:18<Linoder>i have no idea... it's doing just bunch of cron curl jobs
18:18<bob2>or you're smashing the disk
18:18<bob2>mwalling: yeah yeah
18:18<Linoder>curl job sounds like hair stylist thing
18:19<Guspaz|m>Linoder: Is it doing them in parallel, or sequence?
18:19<Linoder>gus: not sure.. they're just cron entries that execute at different times
18:19<Guspaz|m>If they overlap, it might explain it.
18:19<Linoder>and the worst thing is.. when the VPS "lock up", i can't ssh in... so i can't run vmstat or top or anything
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18:19<Guspaz|m>With a bit of work, you could probably get the work done while co-existing on the rest of your VPS.
18:21<Linoder>is it possible to set up an alert if cpu/disk usage goes up to X% of max?
18:22<Big-Mama>You get an email.
18:22<Linoder>but that's delayed
18:22<Linoder>sometimes I get that AFTER I reboot my vps
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18:23<Linoder>Has anyone experience runniung on DME hosting?
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18:28<guinea-pig>Linoder: sometimes your load/disk usage might go up high *because* of a reboot. there's a lot going on during a boot
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18:33<Linoder>guinea-pig: no... the disk/load goes up BEFORE i issue reboot
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18:37<jackson>I've been getting an 'Image create failed.' error all day when trying to create an image over 1G
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18:37<@caker>jackson: on your Linode? Which one?
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18:38<jackson>caker, yeah its id is 30254
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18:39<jackson>i was running some tests that were creating/deleting disks a lot, so maybe i went over some limit or something
18:40<@caker>jackson: one moment
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18:42<@caker>jackson: try now please
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19:00<jackson>caker, sorry lost my net for a bit there
19:00<@caker>jackson: give it another shot
19:02<Yaakov>HELLO CAKER
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19:06<jackson>caker, thanks it worked
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19:07<tronix_>HE having issues in Fremont? all of a sudden, seeing 250-270ms RTTs
19:08<tronix_>last few from MTR:
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19:08<tronix_>11. 0.9% 222 63.2 44.0 27.7 69.8 8.9
19:08<tronix_>12. 0.5% 222 93.3 53.1 27.6 230.3 40.6
19:08<tronix_>13. 0.0% 222 84.0 50.9 26.7 243.9 38.2
19:08<tronix_>14. Hurrican-Electric-LLC.TenGigabit 16.7% 222 283.3 263.8 250.0 289.2 9.1
19:08<tronix_>15. 10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.fmt1. 18.1% 221 266.1 272.1 250.8 516.9 29.9
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19:10<linbot>Yaakov: [mtr] 8 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 81.5ms
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19:10<tronix>hmm. maybe something path-specific.
19:10<tronix>i'll keep looking. thanks.
19:11<linbot>Yaakov: [mtr] 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 81.2ms (urmom)
19:12<linbot>Yaakov: [mtr] 8 hops, 20.0%/0.7ms, 20.0%/148.3ms
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19:13*tronix munches on that thought
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19:16<reza>Hi is there anyone online for a little help?
19:17<tronix>not sure I can help you until I know your question :) ask and see if someone here can answer
19:17<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
19:17<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
19:18<tronix>not sure what HE/L3 just did but their interconnect suddenly went down from 280ms to 110ms -- more draino, baby ;)
19:18<linbot>New news from forums: Running a php script to delete something in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
19:19<Yaakov>Aw shucks.
19:19<tronix>Love with a MTU of 4K? ;)
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19:22<X-LP>yey backup failed again \o/
19:23<Pryon>let's just say you can set SO_RCVLOWAT as large as you want and recv() will never block
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19:24<amitz>X-LP: well, you didn't look so panicked so I guess everything works out ;-)
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19:24<X-LP>stil beta so i dont rely on it
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19:24<X-LP>but the ticket is still open from the last time!
19:25<bd_>X-LP: I think the backup service is expected to be rather flaky until they finish redesigning it
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19:26<bd_>I'm of the opinion that they should probably take it down entirely if it's not expected to work at all though
19:27<X-LP>nah im fine with it. just wanna give feedback if i can
19:27<X-LP>just in case something gets overlooked
19:28<X-LP>nick is different than in the ticket system
19:29<squircle>non-linode question: two adjacent drives in my four-drive RAID 10 array failed, and they show up on boot in the intel raid thing as "offline members" (i managed to get them away from "failed"); is there a way to resync my array?
19:31<bd_>adjacent meaning they're part of a single RAID-1 pair? Or in different RAID-1 pairs?
19:31<squircle>single RAID-1 pair, but as soon as they both died, the computer shut down, so since I have both sides of the array working again, shouldn't they work?
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19:31<bd_>er, can you get the data off them? >_>;
19:31<squircle>problem with the ICH10R is that you have to boot into Windows to rebuild the array
19:32<squircle>bd_: i probably could if I used mdraid or something....
19:32<squircle>I just want them to resync *cry*
19:32<bd_>oh, I'm not sure about that front. I've not used ICH10R :/
19:32<squircle>should be the same as ICH9R...
19:32<bd_>It's crazy to require an OS boot to resync the raid array though :|
19:32<squircle>thank you, Intel.
19:34<squircle>now to figure out mdraid...
19:35<bob2>do you have backups?
19:36<squircle>from last wednesday...
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19:43<squircle>the data's there, but apparently Intel (in their infinite wisdom) decided they didn't want me to be able to access it...
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19:57<jcy>suggestion for the dns manager in the linode manager: onmouseover a/cname/mx records
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20:11<LinodeJavaUser>is there any one who works for linode awake?
20:11<bob2>!f time in newark
20:11<linbot>bob2: 8:11:36 pm EST | Monday, January 11, 2010
20:11<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
20:12<bd_>if you need something that _only_ staff can help you with, then putting in a ticket is probably best
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20:15<squircle>my RAID array is successfully rebuilding
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20:36<amitz>spelling error alert!
20:37<tjfontaine>spelilng si fro skcuers
20:38<amitz>tjfontaine: you're a sucker by heart. I know you have to make a conscious effort to misspell them, right? ;-)
20:40<squircle>!cnn toronto
20:40<squircle>linbot: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
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20:42<tjfontaine>amitz: ddi I?
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20:47<amitz>if you're bored enough and want to read about an outrageousness in another country you maybe never heard of:
20:48<Battousai>there are other countries?!
20:48<squircle>Battousai: are you american, by chance?
20:48<Battousai>hell no
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20:48<Battousai>i'm pennsylvanian
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20:48<amitz>oh yeah, that was _laser_ facial treatment, she actually has the machine inside.
20:49<squircle>aah, well, i've met quite a few americans who didn't know, for example, that canada was a country
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20:49<tjfontaine>zomg a batt
20:49<amitz>canada is not america?!?
20:49<tjfontaine>canada is a state
20:49<Swabby>ok...probably a dumb question..but can i do mail forwarding w/o installing a mailserver?
20:49<Guspaz|m>Canada wasn't a proper country until 1982.
20:50<tjfontaine>Swabby: yes
20:50<amitz>canada, the 51st state!
20:50<Swabby>tj: whats the best way to accomplish on my domains?
20:51<tjfontaine>Swabby: there are many mail forwarding services available, what are your requirements (generally one is available from your registrar)
20:51<cdlu>on the contrary
20:51<cdlu>United States, the 11th province
20:51<tjfontaine>the 'lu knows not
20:51<tjfontaine>he's blinded by the cold
20:51<Swabby>tj: i am going to use linode for dns..can i do it thru there?
20:51<cdlu>it's -12 here, it's balmy!
20:52<amitz>Swabby: or if I have to guess on your need, you can set your DNS entry of the domain you want to forward from, to point to your real mail server.
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20:52<amitz>Swabby: almost certain yeah.
20:52<Swabby>basically i have 4-5 domains..need to forward maybe 5-6 addresses
20:52<tjfontaine>Swabby: there are two pieces to mail forwarding, the dns settings and the service that actually handles the email
20:52<Bohemian>HoopyCat: you here?
20:52<Swabby>I *think*i am going to try google apps for mail...
20:53<amitz>Bohemian: nobody touch my girl without my permission!
20:53<tjfontaine>then you can set google stuffs to your dns stuff in the control panel
20:54<amitz>Swabby: see google tutorial on setting up google apps.
20:55<vulcan>Swabby: I <3 Google apps
20:55<vulcan>make so much more sense than trying to do your own mail
20:56<tjfontaine>"Unless you like privacy"
20:56<squircle>i, on the other hand, <3 dovecot/postfix/spamassassin/clamav :D
20:56<amitz><troll> tjfontaine: linode never says "Do No Evil"
20:57<tjfontaine>they do just the right amount :)
20:58<amitz>I wish I have a business that's powerful enough that I can publicly declare "Do No Evil"...
20:58<tjfontaine>and then do whatever you want behind closed doors?
20:59<amitz>no, really do it in front and behind the closed doors. But comitted enough to make it a public statement.
21:00<tjfontaine>be evil in public but proclaim do no evil? I thought that's what everyone does
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21:02<amitz>but really truly do no evil is a luxury and often time contradict business sense..
21:02<Swabby>vulcan: cool good to see someone else is doing this
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21:03<Swabby>vulcan: using free or did you do the 50$?
21:03<vulcan>no reason to pay, really
21:03<amitz>gah, this depresses me.
21:03<megatron27>amitz, nonsense
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21:04<amitz>megatron27: you...actually have free time now to hang around! ;-). Finally know the right time/moment to slack off in the office :-p
21:05<megatron27>nah, I turned on my IRC client to ask a question in #django :P
21:05<megatron27>work related matter of course
21:05<megatron27>so I stopped by here just like how you might stop by for lunch on the way to an appointment
21:06<amitz>megatron27: so we're your lunch now? Please teach me that special power!
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21:07<amitz>megatron27: anyhow, how do you like normal office work?
21:07<megatron27>no, what I meant was that coming in here was like going to lunch or stopping at convenience store on the way or on the way back from an appointment with a client
21:07<megatron27>amitz, love it
21:08<megatron27>normal office hours are great as long as they don't dictate when I have my breakfast and lunch
21:08<amitz>megatron27: is that you speaking or you're under supervision? :-p
21:09<megatron27>I don't mind coming in early as long as I don't get penalized if I decide to sleep in 2-3 times a week
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21:11<megatron27>I'm working on my own these days and I usually leave the house an hour before sunrise
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21:12<megatron27>but the breakfast and lunch issue is more important to me
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21:18<amitz>oh, gone.
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21:20<amitz>heh, is currently mulling over ethical decision...
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21:21<ericoc>ethical decisions are tricky
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22:00<amitz>ericoc: ethical decision is troublesome. I usually set a period of time to force myself into decision. Unfortunately, sometime you must decide on literally seconds.
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22:26<linbot>New news from forums: Hardy ufw works on kernel, bombs on 2.6.32 in Linux Networking <>
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22:35*gnubie waves
22:36*gnubie wondering how can i reproduce identical linodes
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22:37<Peng>I wonder what Linode uses to produce the hosts? :D
22:39<gnubie>hello guys
22:39<@caker>Peng: they're like snowflakes. Each one is unique
22:39<gnubie>how do you implement identical pre-configured linodes?
22:39<gnubie>well, identical doesn't mean with the same ip address, hostname, etc..
22:40<spkitty>try telling that to designers caker
22:40<@caker>gnubie: you can clone disk images between Linodes under an account. Or you can use the API and deploy with an ssh key, ssh in and run a script, or ... :)
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22:40<gnubie>caker: clone disk image means i need to maintain a single linode just a master image without actually using it
22:41<@caker>gnubie: not really. Resize the image down to something small, and then clone just that disk image
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22:45<gnubie>caker: i have a running linode already but that one is for a running site. i want to have another linode image pre-configured as the master image to be replicated if i need to setup another linode. do i need to have a dedicated linode for my master image?
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22:45<@caker>gnubie: nope -- just some space carved out for the master disk image. You can have multiple disk images under one Linode, you know
22:46<@caker>just keep it not-in-use (not attached to the config profile)
22:47<@caker>gnubie: also, watch over the next week or so for something that may help you in this area.
22:49<logmo>How up-to-date are the "Interesting Statistics" on the "About Us" page?
22:50<Peng>caker: <3
22:50<gnubie>caker: maybe i just need 3gb for the / partition which i need to clone
22:50<gnubie>caker: ok. thnaks. ;-)
22:50<Peng>logmo: caker knows the answer, but... they're updated pretty regularly. Probably a couple months old at most.
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22:52<logmo>Peng: okay
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23:06<Peng>Although the bandwidth has been 805 Mbps since at least September... :D
23:06<amitz>what bandwidth Peng ?
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23:09<amitz>Peng: ah..
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23:18<amitz>interesting, I never noticed before at others but "For pre-sales questions or concerns, please email "
23:18<amitz> , not
23:20<amitz>I wonder if caker will eventually sell out linode...
23:20<amitz>I hope not.
23:25<Pryon>Just refrain from offering him large sacks of cash for it, then.
23:27<Pryon>amitz: as far as I know, linode is a privately held company so he can do what he wants. I assume he's having a good time. As long as that's true, I'm sure he'll hang on to linode.
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23:29<amitz>Pryon: I'm just a small customer who voice his voice. I just hope he considers it when he ever thinks of selling linode..
23:29<amitz>It's perfectly within his right but I'm just hoping...
23:32<amitz>When the shareholder is only one, it's easier to decide on something ethical/nice but against the maximization of profit. But once you have multiple shareholders, ethical/nice decisions will be more difficult to justify.
23:32<Pryon>I don't think you have anything to worry about until the LEO DC is in service and the mind control lasers have been deployed.
23:32<amitz>to shareholders.
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23:54<linbot>New news from forums: Can not scroll back in man pages via ssh in Mac Terminal in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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23:58<amitz>..well...hmm... shit, mistaking minutes with seconds
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23:59<amitz>oh..yay! to my hollow win....
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