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---Logopened Tue Feb 23 00:00:30 2010
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00:08<teahouse>how often does linode dns publish?
00:11<quantum>I read 6 hours for theplanet
00:11<quantum>and it's random for hurricane electric
00:12<bob2>15 minutes for dns-manager-hosted domains
00:16<teahouse>ns1 has stale entries but ns2 is correct...
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00:21<teahouse>update kicked
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00:39<teahouse>what was that damn token linbot
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00:43<mdcollins>Anyone know why nfs wouldnt allow any connections? The way I fix it is by running exportfs -r, but it stops working almost once a week or more.
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00:46<amitz>there should be
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00:52<SelfishMan>hopefully their site will stop loading so slow now
00:58<aaronpk>you know them, SelfishMan?
00:58<SelfishMan>aaronpk: nah, just have followed the blog close
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01:20<erikh>it's kind of cute seeing linux users complain about windows 7 memory usage
01:21<czr>except it doesn't use capses
01:22<JoeK>linux tells you the actual ram usage
01:22<JoeK>windows 7 just says the total (without decent looking)
01:22<erikh>actually, both of them tell you how much is not in cache and in use
01:22*czr snickets at the word "actual"
01:22<czr>snickers even.
01:22<erikh>if you think 'free' is telling you anything but that
01:22*czr needs EEC brain
01:23<erikh>you're wrong.
01:23*SelfishMan snickets czr's mom
01:23*czr reports SelfishMan to the Internet Police.
01:23<czr>the blue packets are on their way to capture your router as we speak!
01:23<erikh>oh noes
01:24<erikh>are they whistling "hi ho, hi ho, it's off to smurf we go" ?
01:24<czr>reminds me of some funny new word that some company used when describing their protocol. instead of PDUs, frames or packets, they use "telegrams".
01:24<czr>erikh, why don't you try snicketing mymum and you'll see!
01:24<erikh>is it a UDP protocol?
01:25<czr>nope. serial
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01:25<erikh>well, telegrams is, well, probably kind of appropriate for a pure serial protocol
01:25<erikh>not standard, but apporpriate
01:25<czr>I found it overly cute.
01:26<czr>esp since I've sent/received real telegrams
01:26<erikh>is the protocol used to route horses?
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01:26<erikh>equestrian gateway protocol
01:26<czr>now there's a patentable area if I've ever seen one.
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01:29<erikh>get on my horse, my horse is amazing
01:29<czr>anyhow, if someone gets around to writing a proper web page that explains memory usage in layman terms (for Linux), I'd appreciate it. /me gets tired at explaining how it works to all the newbs
01:29<czr>ride my pony?
01:29<czr>or are we talkin about the same thing?
01:29<amitz> !linuxatemyram
01:29<erikh>czr: will a blank white page with "it's a series of tubes" in big black lettering suffice?
01:30<czr>only if the background is also in black.
01:30<erikh>you're asking a lot here
01:30<amitz>oh, hmm, space.
01:30<jcy>check out this chair
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01:30<czr>amitz, I'm thinkin more of a simple way to explain how RES/VSIZE works etc.
01:30<erikh>any ram that is not explicitly in use is treated at cache
01:30<erikh>it really isn't much more complicated than that
01:31<czr>also, the page contains factual errors
01:31*czr facehands himself.
01:31<czr>note, I didn't say that I didn't know how memory works :-)
01:31<jcy>did you mean facepalm?
01:31<amitz>oh? hmm
01:32*czr took it to the next level
01:32<czr>I use the whole hand
01:32<czr>(yes I meant facepalm)
01:32<jcy>wow you played that off so smooth
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01:33<czr>I'm still drinking my first coffee cup of the day
01:33<jcy>i'm supposed to be asleep :-)
01:33<czr>just like Linux, your suspend/hiberantion is also buggy?
01:33<jcy>every evening, i say to myself "i'm going to bed at 11pm and getting a good 8 hours"
01:34<jcy>then of course i'm playing bejeweled 2 until 4am
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01:34<czr>hmm. which platform?
01:34<erikh>additionally, I seem to recall it being all the rage in linux desktops a few years back to preload as many .so's as possible
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01:34<erikh>which is similar to how superfetch works
01:35<czr>ericoc, maemo did that too. they even went so far as to providing a nice "program" framework so that you could write your app as a shared lib and have it loaded like that (and discarded)
01:35<erikh>additionally, superfetch was in vista too, but it would use *more* than the available ram
01:35<czr>prelinking also was quite popular in fedora at least ages ago
01:36<erikh>which meant you always had a gargantuan page file
01:36<erikh>I have yet to hit swap in 7 at all.
01:36<czr>everything in Vista is gargantuan
01:36<erikh>even on my machine with 4GB
01:37<erikh>at least.. if I have, it hasn't been noticable to the point where I've checked
01:37<erikh>GET ON MY HORSE
01:37*erikh clocks in and tunes out.
01:37<czr>maybe it's like the "mp4" player a friend bought. it was marked as 2 GB model, and you could see that size advertised over USB. once you actually transferred over 128 MB, then it started spewing errors
01:38*czr stealthily replaces erikh's horse with a pony. little one.
01:38<erikh>nah, the nice thing about windows in that sense is that the page file is a file on disk and easy to measure
01:38<erikh>with normal FS tools.
01:39<czr>erikh, and there's something wrong with /proc/swaps?
01:39<erikh>it's different than getting the size of c:\pagefile.sys on a number of levels?
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01:39<erikh>you can configure linux (and freebsd and other unices) to use a file
01:39<erikh>it's just not the typical route
01:39<czr>other than anything related to windows is just evil and wrong, not really
01:40<Solver>a swap file is just as efficient as a swap partition now
01:40<erikh>7 is nice
01:40<Solver>since the introduction of 2.6
01:40<czr>Solver, only if the underlying fs supports mmap()
01:40<Solver>the only time a swap partition is really needed is a laptop that is going to suspend
01:40<Solver>czr: are there any standard FS that do not?
01:40<czr>which most fs:es do. but saying that it's "just as efficient".. is not true.
01:41<czr>there are plenty of non-standard ones :-).
01:41<Solver>czr: well the kernel developers have explicitely said this but do you have some evidence to the contrary?
01:41<erikh>but really... i'm pretty sure OS X does the prelinking thing as well
01:41<czr>well, just write a simple FUSE FS sometimes.
01:41<erikh>windows vista/7 really is the latecomer here
01:41<Solver>czr: a standard FS is one you can reasonably expect to be able to run your Linux system on
01:41<Solver>eg the root filesystem
01:42*czr facehands
01:42<Solver>Linux supports plenty of foreign filesystems but is anyone going to install a swap space on them?
01:42<Solver>or try to install the root filesystem
01:42<erikh>Solver: you don't know many gentoo users, do you?
01:42<sungo>hey now :)
01:42<Solver>erikh: none actually :)
01:43<erikh>sungo: gotta admit, there's a gem of truth in that statement
01:43<tarpman>what's that about gentoo users?
01:43<Solver>czr: are you aware of any situation in which a swap file is not as efficient?
01:43<sungo>erikh: not really. unless you're falling for the old "all gentoo users are ricers" strawman
01:43<Solver>otherwise my comment about efficiency stands, imho
01:44<erikh>sungo: no, i'm not. I'm just saying that, in my cases, there are a high quantity of gentoo users who are more likely to install something unstable because it holds the promise of being more efficient
01:44<czr>Solver, other than what I told you before, no.
01:44<sungo>erikh: ricers. and no, that's not generally the case.
01:44<erikh>you and i have had different experiences.
01:44<sungo>back in the day, yes, the gentoo community was full of little ricer kids
01:44<sungo>it's not so much anymore
01:44<czr>what do the ricers use nowadays?
01:45<erikh>they still use gentoo. there's just a lot more gentoo users now.
01:45<sungo>if they're worth anything, they've gone back to lfs
01:45<tarpman>anyway, swap files on foreign filesystems are old hat
01:45<tarpman>the current trend is swap files on tmpfs
01:45<tarpman>not kidding
01:45<sungo>erikh: gentoo stopped being the ricers choice when gnetoo stopped supporting stage1 builds
01:45<sungo>all the stupid "turn on omit-frame-pointers" crap is only really useful if you're doing a stage1 from the ground up build
01:45<tarpman>that and swap partition on gpu vram
01:46<erikh>sungo: there are varying levels of rice, you know.
01:46<erikh>I'm not really disagreeing with you, but somehow I'm projecting that I am
01:46<sungo>erikh: so we're going to debate semantics now?
01:46<erikh>no. I'm just saying that there are a great deal of gentoo users that I know right now that are still jumping to things like reiserfs and XFS because they're 'faster'
01:46<erikh>and then run gnome on that machine
01:47<sungo>in that specific case, they need to read their benchmarks better :)
01:47<czr>they're just trying to offset the slowness of gnome :-)
01:47<Solver>hey XFS serves me well in production! :)
01:47<sungo>but that's just dumb anyway
01:47<sungo>Solver: until you drop the drive.
01:47<Solver>physically drop it?
01:47<sungo>I lost most of a drive thank to a strange kernel panic
01:48<sungo>xfs simply lost the files and couldn't recover the metadata
01:48<Solver>there is no substitute for backups
01:48*sungo went back to good ol' ext4
01:48<erikh>reiserfs has had similar fates
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01:48*Solver has run xfs in high perf prod systems for many years and never had any issues
01:48<Solver>early on there were issues but that was many years ago
01:48<sungo>xfs is fast. don't get me wrong
01:48<sungo>but when it goes wrong, it goes really wrong
01:48<Solver>especially if you tune it
01:48<Solver>you can even offset the slower stuff like deletes
01:48<erikh>if speed > integrity
01:48<sungo>for my stuff, I opted for known stability.
01:49<Solver>i've found integrity to be fine
01:49<erikh>we'd just be fscking ram
01:49<Solver>it's a very mature FS
01:49<Solver>and it's quota code can actually keep up :)
01:49<Solver>ext3 can get out of sync
01:49<sungo>that's great. like I said, it ate a drive of mine. I stopped using it.
01:49<Solver>sungo: when was that?
01:49<erikh>anyhow... while I appreciate your defense sungo, I think it's a little facetious for either of us to suggest the rice has completely dissipated from gentoo
01:49<erikh>it's still an attractive "feature" for some.
01:49<Solver>there were issues like that about xfs 1.0
01:50<sungo>erikh: with 60G of ram easily found now, I'm quite a big fan of booting a system off an image straight into ram
01:50<sungo>Solver: a couple of months ago
01:50<erikh>sungo: we're doing similar things with databases here
01:50<Solver>sorry to hear you've had recent issues
01:50<erikh>but obviously, postgresql does most of that for us
01:50<erikh>and in the past a mmap()'d BDB was a great way to squeeze performance out of a webapp
01:51<czr>you could still probably do it, if mmap would be followed by mlockall
01:52<erikh>anyhow... fun chat. I must now return to the land of vcbuild /c, vcbuild, start up two copies of counterstrike, shoot at each other for a few minutes, check logs
01:52<czr>problem with mmaps is that dynamic growing needs to be implemented manually though. so it's the kind of pita that people don't bother doing.
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01:54<SnoFox>When you order a new IP address, do you have to add it to system configuration files manually?
01:55<Solver>SnoFox: that's how i've always done it
01:55<Solver>you need to reboot before the linode will see it
01:55<Solver>iirc it does say somewhere in the docs that it has to be statically assigned
01:56<SnoFox>The Linode has been rebooted a couple times, but without the IP being added.
01:57<SnoFox>I'll just add a script in /etc/network/ and try to add the IP address manually the first time.
01:57<bob2>if it's debian, don't do that
01:58<bob2>(or ubuntu)
01:58<SnoFox>Why not?
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01:58<bob2>because that's not how you configure interfaces
01:58<jcy>i think stock linodes are setup as dhcp
01:58<Solver>SnoFox: the correct place is /etc/network/interfaces
01:59<SnoFox>jcy: I only have one IP and I've rebooted a couple times, but there are two listed in my control panel.
01:59<Solver>jcy: iirc it doesn't work for the 2nd IP - but that is only from memory
02:00<SnoFox>Thanks for the link, bob2.
02:01*Solver sleeps
02:01<@Perihelion>God you really are everywhere SnoFox D:
02:02<SnoFox>I make my way around, but where do you know me from? :p
02:02<@Perihelion>Oh let's see...Anope, staticbox, cluenet, inspircd, swiftirc...and everywhere in between I suppose
02:03<SnoFox>Lol. :P
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02:12<amitz>Perihelion: that means you're everywhere too!
02:13<@Perihelion>Yeah but I admit this
02:18<SnoFox>I was gonna say, "Hey, I'm only on a few networks now.", but then I counted them up.
02:18<SnoFox>Unique networks turn out to be 9.
02:18<SnoFox>That's kind of a lot.
02:18<SnoFox>Also, on an unrelated note, OFTC has huge expiration times for nicknames, if any at all. :p
02:19*SnoFox goes to find out more about oftc/
02:19<SnoFox>Hybrid? o.o
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02:23<Peng>SnoFox: OFTC doesn't automatically expire nicks, but you can go to #oftc and ask.
02:24<Peng>SnoFox: They're happy to do it -- people get nicks dropped all the time -- as long as it's old enough
02:24<SnoFox>Kind of like Freenode, in my opinion. I think their NickServ says nicknames expire after a few months, but mine was still registered.
02:25<Peng>I didn't use one of my nicks for a few months. Got auto-dropped on a couple networks, but not Freenode. (Thank goodness, too; it's my oldest registration! :P )
02:27<SnoFox>I think I'll idle here now that I've finally gained administrative access to a Linode. :p
02:27<SnoFox>But for now, I'm gonna go to sleep. Thanks, and good night. :p
02:28<Peng>SnoFox: Good night. :)
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02:32<hegars>can anyone help me with a linode issue?
02:32<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
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02:33<hegars>i have a linode running debian3.1 and i want to goto debian5 can i back up my current data or do i have to build from scratch
02:33<bob2>false dichotomy
02:33<SelfishMan>someone updated !ask?!?
02:33<bob2>you'd want to backup regardless
02:34<bob2>but you can probably just update all the way to 5.0 using apt
02:34<SelfishMan>hegars: resize the old disk to a smaller size, deploy debian 5, add the old disk to the profile and rebuild
02:34<hegars>id like to clean it up its been running for years
02:34<SelfishMan>upgrading from 3.1 -> 5 is not going to be recommended
02:35<bob2>via 4.0 obviously
02:35<hegars>if i get another linode can i move the data to it ad run it?
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02:35<SelfishMan>hegars: sure
02:35<SelfishMan>if you want to avoid downtime then you should definitely add another node and rebuild
02:35<hegars>can i move images between linodes?
02:35<Peng>hegars: yes
02:35<SelfishMan>you can even clone the old image to the new node so you can mount it and migrate the data
02:35<hegars>so once its build move it back to the main one
02:36<hegars>is the a help on that?
02:36<SelfishMan>moving images between nodes is very easy
02:36<Peng>hegars: Why? Just swap your IP over and delete the original node.
02:36<SelfishMan>Peng: It is nice to keep the CPU/IO/Net history in the LPM
02:36<Peng>SelfishMan: Ooh, good point. Forgot about that one.
02:37<hegars>Peng: i have 3 ip on this linode, isint ther a limit nowdays
02:37<Peng>Yeah, that'd make it trickier.
02:37<Peng>hegars: Anyway, yes, you can do that. I dunno if there are any documents -- check -- but it's pretty simple.
02:37<SelfishMan>as someone that has just added a new node then swapped IPs and lost that data it is something I think about
02:37<hegars>Peng: that was my thought
02:37<SelfishMan>hegars: yeah, you would have to open a ticket and it isn't worth the hassle for that
02:37<Peng>hegars: There's a copy button on the options page for the disk image.
02:38<SelfishMan>Take a look at the "Clone this Linode" section under the "Settings & Utilities" tab in the LPM
02:38<hegars>Peng: so ill get a new linode, build it then copy it to the original linode
02:38<hegars>keeping the old ip addys
02:39<hegars>thanks Peng, thanks SelfishMan
02:40<hegars>ill see what i can do
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03:02<Clorith>I have returned!
03:02<amitz>oh no.
03:02<Clorith>That's NOT what she said ;P
03:04<Clorith>beats the local coffee one, it's a nightmare
03:04<amitz>vulcan: plagiat!
03:04<Clorith>the subtitle to Fundraising makes no sense to me though
03:04*vulcan fixes
03:05<vulcan>thats one of those copy and paste errors :P
03:05<vulcan>now I just need to convince them to pay me more $$$ so I can actually do this the right way and make it a dynamic site
03:05<Clorith> <-- that's a massive distributor of coffee here...the website is horrid
03:06<vulcan>I don't think they realized that was kind of a necessity for them to be selling items online
03:06<vulcan>and they failed to tell me this when I started
03:06*Perihelion slaps Clorith
03:06<Clorith>oww =(
03:06<Clorith>their site also looks horrid on my laptop because my monitor kicks ass.
03:07<Clorith>oh god, how have they distorted this image...this is just awfull
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03:13<amitz>this is one of the weird moment where I simply don't know wtf #linode is talking about.
03:14<Clorith>well, coffee websites
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03:15<amitz>that sells coffee?
03:16<Clorith>ok so these are the guys that made taht coffee site... looking at their website I ask my self "how the hell did they get theese high profile clients"
03:16<amitz>coffee nuts? <- too lazy to find out the right word
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03:16<Clorith>I mean...the spotlight flash thing was the first thing I learnt in flash...when I was 12...
03:16<carpool>hey guys can I as you a quick question
03:16<carpool>I was wondering, if I split my linode in half, can I have two instalations
03:16<carpool>but keep one turned off
03:16<Clorith>you can only ahve one runnign at a time
03:16<carpool>and if something crashes, turn it off, and turn the 'back up one" off?
03:17<carpool>err, on?
03:17<carpool>or is that not possible
03:17<Clorith>each node can only have one installation runnign at a time
03:17<carpool>ah, ok
03:18<Clorith>and well, you have lassie which will try to boot up your node if it crashes without a proper shutdown signal
03:18<carpool>cool, thanks :)
03:18<bob2>yes you can split your disk allocation in to two lindoes, buy uou can only boot one
03:18<carpool>and i can chose which one to boot?
03:18<carpool>so basically, once i get everything et up, i can keep a back up?
03:19<carpool>That's really helpful. Thank you
03:19<Clorith>but if it's a dynamic site, you'll have to get creative with databases and content
03:20<carpool>What would you say is the best distro for hosting sites with apache
03:20<amitz>carpool: your favorite distro.
03:20<carpool>oh really?
03:20<carpool>well as you guys figured out yesterday I'm pretty new
03:20<amitz>carpool: simply because you can be more productive with it :-)
03:20<carpool>ha ha
03:20<carpool>so I don't have a favourite yet
03:21<carpool>i was thinking ubutu LTS or debian
03:21<carpool>but i can't really find any reason why one would be better than the other
03:22<amitz>carpool: unless someone here has the energy, you may be better off googling. The differences between those two have been talked to death.
03:22<carpool>ha ha
03:22<carpool>that's what I figured
03:22<carpool>if one really was "better" everyone would use it
03:23<Clorith>there's a difference? xD
03:23<KHobbit>I think there seems to be alot more 'material' about for ubuntu these days, tutorial wise
03:23<KHobbit>which could be a deciding factor ;)
03:23<Clorith>KHobbit: mostly for the desktop variation
03:23<Clorith>omg, they're gonan shoot a bird that's stuck inside the building
03:23<carpool>for a newb like me
03:23<Clorith>he brought a rifle
03:24<Clorith>a bigass hunting rifle for a little bird xD
03:24*KHobbit waits for the guy to shoot a hole in the optic cable behind the walls
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03:39<carpool>is it possible just to copy everything, like the databases, settings, etc. every week?
03:40<carpool>so restoring to a back up is just a simple matter of shutting down, and opening the backup?
03:40<amitz>yes, the easiest way is to shutdown your linode. Clone your linode. Then start again.
03:41<amitz>every week.
03:42<carpool>that's really cool
03:43<carpool>Oh, I was wondering about StackScripts. Is it possible to use two of them?
03:43<amitz>*cough*stackable stackscripts*cough*. Second fit of coughing I get ;-)
03:44<Clorith>*poor amitz
03:44<Clorith>would you liek a cough mint?
03:44<amitz>carpool: not yet for now. But you can just copy paste other people stackscripts into one.
03:44<amitz>make sure you know what you're doing though.
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04:41<aaronpk1>amitz: you are the master of intriguing but not-quite-specific tweets :P
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04:43<@Perihelion>Haha yeah I was like "...?"
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04:44<happy>if i have a deamon named "searchd" is it a usr with a group?
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04:56<happy>daemons have the permissions of the user that started it?
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05:08<amitz>aaronpk1: Perihelion: well, the context of the story is a bit long so I shared just an interesting bit. :-D
05:10<amitz>from the problem in claiming insurance, to a weird standard of guilt decision, to the time pressure they experienced,
05:11<amitz>and they were short in fuel so a trip to a police station is out of question,
05:12<amitz>yet he managed to settle, and if my calculation is right he did it in less than 20 minutes,
05:13<Clorith>What'd I miss?
05:14<amitz>I tweeted: Our car got into an accident. I like this guy, he settled the accident speedily and efficiently.
05:16<amitz>guy = co-driver. anyway, got to go.
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05:17<aaronpk1>co-driver? oh now this is getting interesting. where i come from only one person drives a car at a time :P
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05:19<Clorith>backseat driver ;)
05:20<happy>i need to learn about daemons and how to set them up so that they can read and write shared files
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05:22<MaZ->thats a permissions issue rather than a daemons issue, no? :p
05:23<kaol>daemons are just processes with init as the ppid and std{in,out,err} plugged to /dev/null
05:23<happy>i dunno i am a newbie, but i have a rails app running with nginx + passenger, and i have a full-text search engine running as searchd, i need to get both the rails app and the searchd to read and write the same index files
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05:40<Clorith>did you lose another google follower?
05:42<Yaakov>No. Count holds steady.
05:44<MaZ->steady at one
05:45<G>while placing an order Firefox determined that was taking too long...
05:45<G>and it was a really short timeout
05:45*G hits firefox
05:46<G>considering it doesn't appear that I've been charged/given the node I guess I'll do it again
05:47<G>maybe under Safari this time ;P
05:47<MaZ->i believe i have diagnosed your problem
05:47<MaZ->you appear to be using an apple
05:47<MaZ->how do you plead
05:47<@Perihelion>If it turns out that you were charged twice let us know.
05:47<Yaakov>Clorith: Hrm... it's actually +1... but... it's odd. There is one new subscriber to /rss all the other rss subscribers are to /rss.xml
05:48<Yaakov>Most are to the atom feed.
05:48<G>MaZ-: WRONG :)
05:48<MaZ->boo :(
05:48<Clorith>Perihelion: so you know you have 20 extra for booze? =P
05:48<G>no a nice Not Guilty
05:49<Yaakov>G: Sorry to hear you don't have a Mac.
05:49<Yaakov>G: Maybe someday...
05:49<Clorith>Yaakov loves mac's
05:49<Clorith>he's trying to make me turn to the dark side :<
05:50<MaZ->how is that one mouse button working out for you~~
05:50<Yaakov>Well, "love" may be a bit strong. I LOVE people.
05:50<@array>Mac's rock!
05:50<@Perihelion>Clorith: I have over9000 extra for booze
05:50<Yaakov>MaZ-: You don't actually seem to know too much about Macs...
05:50<@Perihelion>There will be many a future paycheck towards alcohol
05:50<MaZ->Yaakov: stop spoiling my fun
05:51<Yaakov>MaZ-: Why?
05:51<@Perihelion>Clorith: You should
05:51<@Perihelion>If I have to come there and convert you I will
05:51<MaZ->the last time i used a mac properly was somewhen in the nineties when they still came with single button mice ;(
05:51<Clorith>is that a promise?
05:51<Clorith>I shall be awaiting your arrival.
05:51<G>array: hey, how is GC?
05:51<Yaakov>MaZ-: OS < X is a whole different world.
05:51<Yaakov>MaZ-: OS X on new hardware is very nice indeed.
05:52<MaZ->oh quite
05:52*G was going to buy a Mac, but I've put it off for later
05:52<MaZ->ive used it since but still... doesnt feel quite right to me at least
05:52<MaZ->but i get that feeling about desktops on linux too
05:52<@array>G: humid :/
05:52<MaZ->i think its just what im used to :>
05:52<G>okay, thats fun, goes to :P
05:53<Yaakov>I am very happy with it. I can and do use Windows (XP, Vista, 7) and Linux in various flavors, but my "home" is OS X on a MacBook Pro.
05:53<G>array: ouch
05:53<@Perihelion>Mine is too now apparently
05:53<@Perihelion>I used to be a straight gentoo kinda person
05:53*Clorith sniggers at perihelion
05:53*G sits back and laughs in the coolness of Auckland :P
05:53<@Perihelion>You use Windows and hate it
05:53<Clorith>yar :(
05:53<@Perihelion>And you're gonna laugha t ME
05:53<Clorith>ME is a disgrace
05:53<Clorith>windows ME, right?
05:53<@array>G: you'll back, kiwis always come back!
05:54<@Perihelion>Clorith: Or yourself
05:54<Clorith>let's all point and laugh at G and his limited bandwidth!
05:54<G>array: for the sheep you reckon?
05:54<Yaakov>Leave G alone!
05:54<MaZ->you know that feeling you get when its like you know you've been screwed over and you're pretty sure you got screwed over by someone deliberately, like they wanted you to know they screwed you over
05:54<Yaakov>Most of you wouldn't qualify to immigrate in NZ.
05:54<Clorith>I don't know why, but I seem to have randomly googled for braille lessons ths weekend
05:54<@Perihelion>Clorith: Let's all point and laugh at you for your country's only real contribution to the world being a cheese slicer.
05:54<G>array: the sheep in .au wouldn't co-operate
05:54<Clorith>I do not remember doing so
05:54<MaZ->i got that feeling very shortly after buying a new pc which came with windows ME
05:54<Clorith>Perihelion: do not forget the paperclip!
05:55<@Perihelion>Wikipedia said that's not the case
05:55<@array>G: I don't like where this is heading... :P
05:55<@Perihelion>and it never lies.
05:55<G>Clorith: where are you located?
05:55<@Perihelion>It said someone made a paperclip-like device
05:55<Yaakov>ME was XP glued to 95. It was leaky and smelly.
05:55<@Perihelion>but the actual paperclip we know today was from someone else
05:55<Clorith>I am a mighty viking from Norway!
05:55<@Perihelion>No you're not sit down
05:55<Yaakov>Oh, and g'day array.
05:55<Clorith>yes, ma'am =(
05:56<@Perihelion>That's a good boy
05:56*Perihelion gives Marius a juice box
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05:56<@Perihelion>You comin with?
05:56<Yaakov>Sick, sick...
05:57<G>array: baaa
05:57<@Perihelion>mmm sheepy
05:57<Yaakov>Sheep shavings make great sweaters.
05:58<@Perihelion>No one joined my super awesome channel
05:58<G>array: you do realise that as an aussie you have to make the sheep related jokes right? It's not right if I have to make fun of myself
05:58<@Perihelion>I hate you all with a huge hate.
05:58<@Perihelion>G: As a kiwi being a kiwi makes a mockery of yourself
05:58<@Perihelion>Just sayin
05:58<Yaakov>IT's the sickness talking!
05:59<Yaakov>G: We have a Fisher-Paykel washer. Best one ever.
05:59<G>Yaakov: ahhh yes, F&P pity they've started making some of their stuff in China
06:00<Yaakov>Ours is NZ-made!
06:00<Yaakov>But competition is forcing their hand.
06:00<G>Yaakov: good good
06:00<Yaakov>They are the Apple of washers.
06:00<Yaakov>Though the premium penalty is less.
06:00<G>Yaakov: not really
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06:01<Yaakov>How not really?
06:01<G>I guess on an export market they are
06:01<G>their 'budget' brand is ELBA
06:02<Yaakov>I am talking about the Ecosmart line.
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06:02<G>Yaakov: ahhh okay
06:02<Yaakov>With the F&P brand.
06:02<Yaakov>1000 RPM SPIN
06:03<Yaakov>VERY easy to service as well.
06:03<G>wow, the baby drives it? thats very eco-smart :P *ducks*
06:03<G>Yaakov: sorry, when you said washer I thought Dishwasher
06:03<Yaakov>No ducks involved.
06:03<G>F&P got a lot of business from the dutch iirc
06:04<G>Dutch or Israelis, can't remember which
06:04<G>they have to keep their morning dishes, and evening dishes seperate (iirc something about eggs)
06:04<G>so they really liked the idea of the two dish-drawers
06:05<Yaakov>Meat and Dairy
06:05<Yaakov>Too small for a familyof eight.
06:05<G>Yaakov: thats it yeah
06:05<Yaakov>Or we'd have gotten one.
06:05<Yaakov>Though we eat very little meat...
06:05<G>Yaakov: is it Dutch or Israeli?
06:05<Yaakov>Jewish, worldwide.
06:06<G>ahh it was Jewish, yeah, I told someone it was Jewish the other day, but then I realised just now that it may have been dutch
06:06<Yaakov>It's about the prohibition of bussar v'chalav (mixing meat and milk).
06:07<Yaakov>So, religious Jews need to kep them separate.
06:07<G>yeah, thats what I remember
06:07<Yaakov>But the F&P dishwashers are pricey AND, they are smallish. You can get two full-sized machines for a bit more.
06:08<Yaakov>For a small fmaily or a couple it's great.
06:09<G>yeah, can understand for a family of 8 been nott enough
06:09<Yaakov>But the clothes washer is FANTACULARLY SPECTASTIC.
06:09<ekes>[european political asside] not very Dutch then... who in majority are christian (prodestant or catholic) including their own bible belt; also plenty of atheists and muslims; jews there were more till an efficient dutch bureaucracy helped some fascists back in the 1940s.
06:10<Yaakov>Yes, though there are Dutch Jews and there might be a specific export business for that reason (being too costly to sell into the general population).
06:11<Yaakov>The Dutch were quite heroic, as a people, concerning the Jews during WWII.
06:13<ekes>some certainly, generally it's a complicated story; they certainly organised the identification of jews and the transportation very well; however we are also a couple of days from the Amsterdam Strike rememberance to
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06:14<G>array: had any Pineapple Lumps recently?
06:15<haindavi>Hi I am looking to register the new domain name. Could you please help me the process as I am new to the Linode
06:15<Yaakov>ekes: The Dutch Christians who, as an act of conscience, hid the Jews at their own great peril, salvaged the Dutch as a nation. In my opinion.
06:15<ekes> irony is it was much the same tram drivers that started it that also ended up driving the trams full of jews a year later :-(
06:16<Yaakov>haindavi: Linode is not a registrar.
06:16<Yaakov>haindavi: If you mean set up DNS, that's something different.
06:16<Yaakov>haindavi: Do you own a domain, or you need to buy one?
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06:17<interfaced>Hello, I have apache 2 installed, from the LAMP tutorial, but directory browsing is on, what's the best way to turn it off?
06:17<Clorith>interfaced: set the <Directory> in the virtualhost file, or a .htaccess file, whichever suits your setup the most
06:17<haindavi>I need to buy one.
06:18<haindavi>I mean a new one.
06:18<interfaced>Clorith: Thanks
06:19<Yaakov>haindavi: Then you have to choose a registrar. I use Go Daddy but others dislike them and would suggest someplace else.
06:19<interfaced>What's the best way to automate the creation of new domains? Right now I have to created a directory, then copy a virtual host file, then restart apache
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06:20<Clorith>interfaced: you don't have to restart
06:20<Clorith>but you do have to reload
06:20<interfaced>Clorith: I mean reload
06:20<Clorith>ahh, ok
06:20<Clorith>well, I've just got my own little bash script that takes a base file I wrote and replaces with values that I get prompted for
06:21<interfaced>Clorith: Do I put the <directory> inside the <virtualhost> element?
06:21<interfaced>Clorith: as "/"
06:21<Clorith>You might want to read up on the various options for it and such
06:21<Clorith>and you'll want the path to the folder you are working in
06:22<interfaced>Clorith: Its not working
06:23<Clorith>well, you need somethign inside it
06:23<interfaced>Clorith: I've got Options -Indexes FollowSymLinks, in the virtual host file
06:23<interfaced>Clorith: inside the directory element of course, pointing to the public_html directory
06:24<Clorith>I'll paste one I have
06:25<interfaced>Clorith: great, just made it work by editing the default virtual host
06:26<haindavi>Hi Yaakov, again what name servers I have to give in the gidaddy
06:27<Yaakov>ns1. through
06:27<interfaced>Clorith: Do you have a link to that batchscript for adding domains?
06:31<Clorith>not right now, no
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06:31<Clorith>it's not that hard to write, it's basically just either writing it all in and cat'ing it to a file if you want to make it easy
06:32<Clorith>err *echoing to a file
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06:33<benjisail>is it possible to get a server bigger than 2880MB of RAM?
06:34<benjisail>Do you have to do a specific request?
06:34<Yaakov>Click the list to buy one.
06:35<Yaakov>You are welcome.
06:35<benjisail>have a good day
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06:47<haindavi>Hi Yakkov. Okay I have buyed the domain name and also passed DNS information. Does I need to create the DNS zone now?
06:48<Clorith>Yes, you will have to make it in the linode DNS manager now
06:48<Yaakov>Clorith: Help the man. I have to go to work!
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06:50<happy>how does one set up a pid file in /var/run
06:50<haindavi>Okay would that be master or slave?
06:50<Clorith>I'm AT work, haha
06:51<Clorith>but sure, for you <3
06:51<Clorith>you'll want master
06:51<happy>work sucks
06:51<Clorith>this workplace, yes, the other one I have is awesome ^_^
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06:53<happy>i need to find a good reference for /var/run and setting up pid files, i tried mkdir /var/run/mydir/ and setting permission for the user that makes the pid file to right to it but rebooting removes mydir
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06:53<bob2>mount | grep run
06:54<interfaced>Anyone have a script for quickly creating domains on apache2 ubuntu?
06:54<haindavi>Okay does it take time Clorith to have the Domain name registered, as I cannot see it running still
06:55<kaol>Just use cron to create the directory at boot time
06:55<happy>ah, thx bob2
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06:55<happy>really? is that the way ppl do it?
06:55<Clorith>registering is instant, changing nameservers may take as long as 48 horus before it takes effect
06:55<Clorith>and the linode DNS zones are updated at every quarter of the hour
06:55<Clorith>(so :15 :30 :45 and :00)
06:55<bob2>no, that's ridiculous
06:55<TinyAmitz>wait, i signed off? Wtf...
06:55<bob2>if you want a subdir in there, have your init script make it
06:56<haindavi>So okay may be I can see the domain up in next 15 minutes?
06:56<bob2><= 15 minutes
06:56<happy>what if i dont create a dir with the proper permissions but somehow get my user that makes the pid file write permission, or use root to make the pid file?
06:56<kaol>I like using @reboot for local config like that, but YMMV.
06:56<bob2>I don't understand any of that
06:56<Clorith>possibly, but I wouldn't hold my breath as you jsut changed the nameservers right now
06:57<bob2>but your init script runs as root, so have it make the dir
06:57<bob2>or you can just not bother, and put your pid file in /var/run directly
06:58<happy>i mean i want to start a search engine daemon, are all daemon ( services ) started by root? and is that ok?
06:58<bob2>init scripts are run as root
06:58<bob2>programs are free to change to another user
06:59<bob2>if you're using debuntu, start-stop-daemon can do that for you
06:59<bob2>as well as managing the pid file
06:59<happy>thx, i will look into it
06:59<bob2>if you're on debuntu, 'cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/whatever' and edit whatebver
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07:10<hasan>hi linode Linux VPS pptp vpn supported ?
07:10<hasan>pptp & open vpn ?
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07:58<amitz>Clorith: oh, here most, if not all, transport trucks will have a driver and a "co-driver". The co-driver basically support the drivers, from navigation to help arranging traffic at traffic jam or when parking, guarding the truck when the driver need to go somewhere, or to talk on behalf of the driver when the driver can't leave the seat, etc.
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08:00<Clorith>i see
08:00<amitz>and their work environment is quite fascinating, you can write a whole book on it.
08:03<@caker>good morning!
08:03<@psandin>Good Morning Caker!
08:03<@psandin>should I go put the coffee on?
08:04<StevenK>Isn't that a silly question?
08:04<@caker>coffee shall be consumed.
08:04<@caker>there is no alternative.
08:04<@psandin>it's more of a question of logistics, if I start it now, will it be warm at the right time
08:06<amitz>good morning mr caker, today is a good day to live!
08:08<Clorith>Is it, is it REALLY
08:08<Clorith>*shifty eyes*
08:09<mwalling>haha, psandin is coffee bitch
08:09<@psandin>I'm everything bitch, someday I'll move beyond "new guy" status
08:10<Clorith>Yaakov: your friends website has a bug
08:11<Clorith>I found the feedback button :3
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08:15<straterr1>youll always be new guy
08:16<straterr1>just get drunk and wear womens clothing
08:16<straterr1>thatll change your status
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08:17<erikh>psandin: don't hold out
08:17<erikh>at one job I was 'new guy' for 3 years
08:18<erikh>long after others got hired
08:18<erikh>granted, it was mostly an inside joke
08:18<erikh>"let the new guy have the floor"
08:18<straterra>urmoms an inside joke
08:18<erikh>she is
08:18*erikh came out of that inside joke
08:20<erikh>childbirth can be
08:26<mwalling>i'm still the youngest person in our department
08:26<mwalling>3 years later
08:26<mwalling>holy shit, 3.5... almost 4
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08:34<interfaced>hello, How to I add a user to be able to write to a domain name folder without remove permission from the www-data group?
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08:46<interfaced>is there a standard way to add addition permissions to folders with doing chown?
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08:46<interfaced>Like I want it still to be owned by www group, but also want an ftp user to be able to access
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08:58<tuntis>A linode of mine OOM'd last night, and when I tried rebooting in the morning, it said "Linode failed to boot for unknown reason". Now trying to run a boot job just results in it getting stuck. What should I do?
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09:02<Clorith>tuntis: lish in and watch the boot, maybe it's segfaulting on boot or something?
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09:05<tuntis>tried lish in the morning, just said "your linode is off"
09:05<tuntis>now it just says connecting to lish
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09:07<mwalling>because it says "Linode failed to boot for unknown reason"
09:07<mwalling>i'd open a ticket
09:07<mwalling>there may be some xen honkyness going on
09:08<mwalling>or there may just be something dumb you missed and didnt realize and one would need AllSeeingEyes to see it
09:09<tuntis>ok, thanks
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09:13<interfaced>How do people manage their FTP user permissions? anyone have multiple users
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09:15<Yaakov>NOTE: <LOVE MESSAGE>
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09:16<stefanie>Yaakov: morning!
09:16<Yaakov>stefanie, darling! It's simply marvelous to see you!
09:19<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
09:19<Yaakov>I'm afraid I must dash dear. Mandatory sexual harrassment training don't you know. Well, tata for now.
09:19<grawity>Ever heard of FTP/SSL? >_<
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09:20<rosetta>hi, is there a way to limit ressource usages for a specific python script always crash when it doing some hard job
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09:23<linoob>Hi there, I'm new to linode, just got a linode 360 today with Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. out of 360MB, I only have 100MB left the very first time I log into it (top and free both gave me the same result). Any ideas why or is this normal?
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09:26<linoob>fapestniegd, irgeek : haha thanks :)
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09:33<rosetta>hi, is there a way to limit ressource usages for a specific python script always crash when it doing some hard job
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10:09<shul>caker: do you have plans for GPGPUs in the future ?
10:10<JshWright>shul: why would they want to pu 40+ GPUs in their servers?
10:11<shul>JshWright: because there are things GPUs can do much better than CPUs
10:11<mwalling>yes, because a GPU is much faster at RUNNING RAILS!
10:11<mwalling>WITH RACING STRIPES
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10:12<straterra>shul: and thats usually why you get a dedicated server
10:12<straterra>VPSs aren't meant for that
10:12<JshWright>shul: you're serious? You want a VPS provider to install 40 graphics cards in their hosts?
10:13<shul>why 40 ?
10:14<JshWright>because a 360 host has ~ 40 VMs on it
10:14<mwalling>what are you doing on your linode that you need a fancy pants cpu?
10:14<bd_>shul: 40 linodes per host, and GPUs aren't built for sharing between multiple VMs :)
10:14<straterra>If you get one, I want one
10:15<JshWright>(I'm not even sure GPGPU works through Xen... but even if it did...)
10:15<bd_>JshWright: Xen can expose PCI devices to guests... although I'm not sure how secure that is against the guest requesting DMAs to evil addresses
10:15<mwalling>LETS ALL GET SSDS TOO!!!
10:15<straterra>HELLS YEAH
10:16<thegodlikehobo>i want the host my vps is on to be cooled with liquid helium please
10:16<Guspaz>I already have an SSD :(
10:16<straterra>I would like a direct fiber run from the host to my house, too
10:17<Guspaz>Bell Canada recently started selling "Fibe" (it's VDSL2 not fiber), with a 25 Mbps down 7Mbps up tier. It has a 20GB/mth cap.
10:17<straterra>I want VSDL
10:17<straterra>err, VDSL
10:17<Guspaz>IIRC you can hit your monthly cap in 75 minutes.
10:18<shul>Guspaz: that's nothing, google has 1gb infrastructure
10:18<Guspaz>You don't want VDSL. VDSL2, maybe.
10:18<shul>and I too have an SSD at home. it sucks.
10:18<Guspaz>shul: No, they have plans, and the deployments will be limited. They don't plan to wire the country.
10:18<straterra>1gb is nothing
10:18<shul>don't believe the hype
10:18<Guspaz>Oh? I've got an Intel x25-m, it's pretty awesome. The hype was pretty accurate ;)
10:19<shul>we can declare linode server farms as a district and write google
10:19<Guspaz>If you bought a crappy drive with a JMicron controller, then yeah, it'd suck.
10:19<shul>asking for their bandwidth
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10:19<shul>Guspaz: I didn't buy, I got it, and its x25m
10:19<straterra>Linode doesn't need Google..they have HE
10:19<Guspaz>In which case, I'd question your evaluation of it. The x25-m is pretty awesome.
10:20<Guspaz>I never want to go back to an old-style HDD.
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10:20<shul>Guspaz: but the controller may very well be the problem... sata on an asus e2m-e or something
10:20<shul>Guspaz: its around the same speed as my 640 WD :(
10:20<Guspaz>I meant the SSD's controller. Most early drives used JMicron controllers that had serious issues with write latency.
10:20<marpedg>My name is Mario Pedraza. I have a question about virtual server.
10:20<Guspaz>shul: It shouldn't be. It should max out a SATA3 port at ~250MB/s, and random read/write speeds should be orders of magnitude faster than a traditional drive.
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10:21<shul>Guspaz: how do I know what is mine ??
10:21<shul>Guspaz I doubt I have sata3...
10:21<Guspaz>Sorry, I meant SATA2.
10:21<shul>that I have
10:21<Guspaz>For the Intel drives, their only weakness is sustained write speeds (which are 80-100MB/s). Which is similar to magnetic. But the random write speeds are ~20MB/s, while a regular drive is lucky to get 0.2MB/s
10:21<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
10:21<straterra>marpedg: ^^
10:22<marpedg>I have an application web.Operation system is Linux. But It has a key licence with USB device.
10:22<Guspaz>The newer SandForce-based drives look like that might beat the Intel drives in performance, but they use some pretty out-there techniques, and they're not really battle-hardened yet. But extremely promising.
10:23<shul>ooh! and I think linode should buy a bloomboxen!!
10:23<Guspaz>marpedg: Linode probably can't help you with that. You might be able to remote the USB device over the internet, but the reliability might not be what you need.
10:25<marpedg>It is posible to send the USB Key licence?, this is the licence for the program works.
10:25<straterra>Depends on how the app works
10:26<straterra>if it just gets mounted with a standard file system, maybe...if it uses the device raw, then likely not
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10:28<marpedg>it uses device raw. I need to connect it in USB port.
10:28<pharaun>i guess you are screwed
10:28<straterra>Then it likely wont work
10:29<pharaun>unless you can emulate it
10:29<pharaun>speaking of emulation wouldn't it be possible to make a dummy driver in the kernel, and have it point to a "image" which is a rip of the usb stick anyway?
10:29<marpedg>How can I emulate it?
10:30<pharaun>but honestly hell if i know if its possible, its assuming that the usb fob is like a memory stick i guess
10:31<straterra>marpedg: contact the vender
10:31<pharaun>that'll probably be more successful than any attempts to emulate it :)
10:32<straterra>irgeek: stuff it :/
10:32<Guspaz>You can probably find software to remote a USB port over the net.
10:32<pharaun>Guspaz: wouldn't that depends on what the heck it is doing to the usb fob anyway
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10:33<Guspaz>Why would it? It's a serial device. It only has two data pins. You either read or write.
10:33<Guspaz>Other than the latency and throughput, I don't see why it's hard to just forward that over the net. There are various solutions that do this, I know, for Windows.
10:33<pharaun>Guspaz: i'm probably over-complicating thing, but if its like a memory stick and its just reading off the serial then yeah it would work perfectly fine
10:33<Guspaz>A brief bit of googling didn't turn up any opensource solutions, but I really didn't look hard.
10:34<CompWizrd>they're not a memory stick, there's a small chip in them, iirc
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10:34<Guspaz>It doesn't matter how it reads it.
10:34<CompWizrd>if it's anything like a serial dongle
10:34<pharaun>but i was just thinking of the "custom" ones that does weird stuff on it, you would have problem with the latency/etc
10:34<pharaun>and it would depends on like how it is used by the software
10:34<pharaun>if the software calls it every second, then latency might be a issue but if its only called once on startup then it would work pretty good probably
10:34<Guspaz>USB is serial. As long as latency/throughput isn't an issue, that's that.
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10:35<pharaun>i guess i am just assuming the "worst case"
10:35<pharaun>where latency/throughput does matter
10:35<pharaun>other wise i suppose it would work
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10:51<teahouse>survived our first night on linode. now to see if it passes peak usage without rolling over
10:51<teahouse>i may need to resize the php instance
10:51<teahouse>this guy isn't exactly the worldest most efficent php coder
10:51<marpedg>What do you recommend me about remote USB port?
10:52<marpedg>Someone speaks spanish?
10:54<straterra>marpedg: contact the vendor
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11:24<Talman>That'd be interesting. USB over TCP/IP.
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11:25*irgeek starts developing USB over urmom
11:28<Twayne>(< ...
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11:29<jcy>IP over everything
11:30<mwalling>IP on urnal cakes
11:30<@jed>I'm close to an alpha for IP over Twitter
11:30<tjfontaine>anal bum covers
11:30<Ramavadakattu> my vps server is too slow it is taking quite amount of time for displaying one page.
11:31<mwalling>then you're doing it wrong
11:31*mwalling <-- helpful
11:31<Ramavadakattu>if i do a reboot then it works fine.
11:31<mwalling>whats your CPU usage? memory usage? disk io usage?
11:31<mwalling>are you bleeding StuffYouNeedNow(TM) into swap
11:32<Ramavadakattu>one min i will tell you my CPU usage
11:32<mwalling>*I* dont care about your usage
11:32<@irgeek>Ramavadakattu: You're swap-thrashing.
11:32<mwalling>these are questions you need to ask yourself
11:34<Ramavadakattu>so please guide me on what should i do ?
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11:34<Ramavadakattu>i just know basics of linux
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11:34*linbot dispenses rope
11:35<Ramavadakattu>how much swap size should i put?
11:35<@irgeek>The size of swap doesn't really matter - the idea is to not use it.
11:35<Ramavadakattu>mine is 512MB Swap Image (swap)
11:36<mwalling>why'd you differ from the default?
11:36<Guspaz>A small amount of swap is good for ThingsYouDon'tNeed(TM), but beyond that, you don't want to actively use it.
11:37<Ramavadakattu>But see it is taking few minutes to just load one page what can be the problem?
11:37<mwalling>[02-23] 11:32:51 <@irgeek> Ramavadakattu: You're swap-thrashing.
11:37<@jed>you are swap thrashing
11:38<@jed>the swap thrashing is impacting performance negatively for your Web server
11:38<thegodlikehobo>Swap thrashers are dangerous critters, i tell you what.
11:38<Ramavadakattu>@jed so how should we avoid that?
11:38<@jed>Feb23 11:35:03 <@irgeek> Specifically:
11:38<@jed>you've already had this explained to you
11:39<@jed>lower your setup's memory usage, upgrade, or both
11:39<Ramavadakattu>ok sure i will do that
11:39<@jed>stefanie: as a rule, I don't read anything from cracked
11:39<@jed>because they're notoriously unamusing
11:40<stefanie>so you say
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11:41<jcy>jed i feel the same way about collegehumor
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11:46<teahouse>what was that linuxatemyram?
11:46<teahouse>thank you linbot
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11:47<teahouse>hmm 282mb free on a 360mb instance. better than i thought.
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12:01<SelfishMan>think of the children
12:01<STOIC>won't someone please think of the children
12:03*SelfishMan mumbles about politicians
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12:04<@Perihelion>Oh God...fat woman in spandex outside
12:05<@Perihelion>This woman ate Linux :(
12:06<SelfishMan>sorry, I'm just really annoyed by polititians saying something is to protect the children but yet it does everything it can to screw over the children
12:07<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so blind, she dated mikegrb and thought it was Ben Affleck! (736:11/0) [urmmo]
12:07<SelfishMan>!urmom vote up 736
12:07<linbot>SelfishMan: Voted up 736 [ommru]
12:07<teahouse>Selfish, yeah it's a common excuse to ban something
12:08<SelfishMan>urmom thinks of the children
12:08<SelfishMan>right before she eats them
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12:10<@Perihelion>Oh lawd.
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12:51<oru_work>in ubuntu with postfix/dovecot how can i just the older mail.log from lets say february 11
12:51<Talman>Perihelion, close your blinds, or storm shutters, or arm the defenses.
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12:52*thegodlikehobo hands oru_work a verb
12:52<Cosmin>i wanna ask a question about why should i chose Linode over SliceHost or RackSpace Cloud Server
12:53<thegodlikehobo>Only if you hand is my pocket when you ask.
12:53<@caker>Cosmin: they're more expensive for the resources, for one thing
12:53<thegodlikehobo>they also don't have a fun channel bot
12:53<@caker>Cosmin: also, they force you to use 64 bit, which likely isn't want you want since it consumes more memory over 32 bits
12:53<@caker>Cosmin: we have 5 locations, including Europe
12:53<@caker>the list goes on and on...
12:54<oru_work>errr how can i see*
12:54<Cosmin>i see
12:54<@caker>in other words, why would you choose THEM over US?
12:54<ericoc>and caker is really super friendly, and linode makes me smile </testimonial>
12:54<Cosmin>haha .. u guys r funny
12:54<Cosmin>i like that
12:55<Cosmin>they are a biger company .. and i guess more people heard about them ..
12:55<@caker>Cosmin: check this out:
12:55<ericoc>"slices" sounds cooler than "linodes" though imo
12:55<@tasaro>Cosmin: well, start spreading the word!
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12:56<Cosmin>i looked at the website last nite... and i like what i see
12:56<@tasaro>ericoc: remove that sentence from your logs or you may get a DMCA notice
12:56<opello>slices sounds like time divison multiplexing :p or pizza
12:56<ericoc>mmm pizza
12:56<Cosmin>linodes sound techy ... slices .. sounds like a pizza
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12:57<ericoc>slice is one syllable though :[
12:57<@caker>so is node
12:57<ericoc>lin ode is two though
12:57<ericoc>i think
12:57<mgc>Hello, I've just done a fresh install of tomcat6 but none of my applications are accessible via a browser
12:57<mgc>the tomcat "congrats" page does show, however
12:57<mgc>any ideas?
12:57<sadiq_>what do the tomcat logs say?
12:57<mgc>(ubuntu 9.10)
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12:58<@caker>yeah, you're serving up out of the wrong dir
12:58<mgc>it's not the wrong dir
12:58<ericoc>but i switched from slicehost to linode, regardless of the naming
12:58<mgc>i've modified the files to ensure that this is the right dir
12:58<Cosmin>now ..let me ask u this ... apache or nginx ?
12:58<ericoc>did you rehash/restart after modifying them
12:58<mgc>and my changes tot he "congrats" page are displayed
12:58<mgc>erircoc: yes i did
12:58<mgc>ericoc: yes i did
12:59<mgc>(sorry i misspelled it)
13:00<mgc>I think it has something to do with my invoker servlet
13:01<mwalling>Cosmin: linodes been around longer.
13:01<mwalling>Cosmin: linode IS TEH ORIGINAL!
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13:03<ericoc>slicehost has an android app! :p
13:03<Guspaz>Cosmin: It varies. nginx tends to be recommended around here more often, some of us also use Lighttpd, and many use apache.
13:03<Guspaz>nginx seems to be the preferred alternative (although I'm happy with lighttpd)
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13:03<thegodlikehobo>i have visitors email me so we can establish a transfer via netcat.
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13:07<axod>hi general linux q, I ssh'ed in, ran "tar -czf something.tgz something" my net connection died so ssh got disconnected
13:07<axod>can I be sure the tar finished?
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13:08<mwalling>probably didnt
13:08<@caker>axod: no, you can not be sure. It's likely it did not
13:08<Peng>You should run things in screen.
13:08<@caker>axod: screeeeeeeeeeeen
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13:08<axod>yeah I know that now :/ the one time I forget....
13:08<mwalling>just set ssh to always reattach to screen :)
13:09<axod>can I check the gz to see if it's valid / has a valid ending (If such a thing exists in gz format)
13:09<tierra>yeah, I occasionally don't bother with screen, and regret it when I do
13:09<bd_>I have a quick launch alias to run urxvt -bd cyan -e ssh -t satoko screen -x p :)
13:09<mwalling>axod: its a stream, so now
13:10<bd_>you can tar tzvf it and see if it errors out with a premature end of stream
13:10<bd_>but it still might be missing files
13:10*axod starts it again in screen to be sure
13:11<axod>ah well, whats a few hours :/
13:12<axod>I'm guessing the test itself will take a while (6.5GB zipped, thousands of files)
13:12<axod>nm, thanks anyway
13:13<axod>think it was the snow :/ damn snow borking my adsl
13:13<sadiq>mine drops when it's cold too.
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13:15<oru_work>does anyone know how to increase rotationt ime of mail.log to lets say 1 month ?
13:16<teahouse>Server spits out .htm files with Content-Type: text/html, but the browser tries to download it. Anyone run into this before?
13:16<teahouse>Google is not being overly helpful, but maybe I haven't phrased the query the right way
13:16<axod>teahouse: double check with curl -v
13:16<axod>maybe it has an attachment-disposition: header is it?
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13:17<axod>eg curl -v > /dev/null
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13:17<axod>it'll show you the actual headers sent
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13:18<teahouse>interesting, curl -v shows different headers than my manual telnet
13:18<teahouse>haproxy is serving this from the static server
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13:21<teahouse>hey axod, thanks for your help, that check got my to look at lighttpd config on the other server instead of blaming apache
13:21<teahouse>and fixed it.
13:21<axod>ah heh cool np
13:21<Cosmin>it will be nice if linode will get an Android app
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13:22<pharaun>i want blackberry app first!
13:23<Cosmin>now i have another question ... i am building a flash website that will have alot of static content (xml and jpeg) ... i am hopping 1000 visitor/day to start ... and grow from there ...
13:23<Cosmin>what linode package should i chose?
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13:24<teahouse>you can always resize up if you need it
13:24<teahouse>tbh 1000 visitors a day is trivial
13:24<teahouse>especially with static content
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13:24<pharaun>yeah and depending on your app, you can always do a dynamic -> static
13:24<pharaun>to help in slashdot cases/etc
13:24<goose>I was wondering who provides bandwidth to the Dallas datacenter?
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13:25<pharaun>the caker
13:25<pharaun>he provides everything
13:25<Cosmin>the site wil be design so you can change stuff in it ....
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13:25<oru_work>does anyone know the location of the configuration file that defines log rotation for mail.log postfix/dovecot in ubuntu 8.10 ? I checked /etc/logrotate.d/ and its not there
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13:26<Cosmin>i will not have a slashdot or digg sindrome .. since my target visitors will be different
13:26*Peng_ hits Peng.
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13:26<Talman>Then start witha 360 and monitor your bandwidth, I/O, and CPU.
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13:27<Cosmin>sounds like a plan
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13:28<mwalling>Cosmin: why an app when the website works?
13:28<Peng>IPv6 tunnel outage. \o/ And for some reason irssi is terrible at timing out connection attempts...
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13:28<Peng>Well, I think that's what happened, anyway. Seems fine now.
13:30<Cosmin>i see that on the sign up page i have referal code and promo code.... should i chose any?
13:30<WoodWork>Mine. ^_^
13:31<Peng_>Cosmin: Who referred you to Linode?
13:31<Cosmin> .. or something like that
13:31<WoodWork>They may have one.
13:31<Peng>Cosmin: Well, use its referral code, then.
13:32<Cosmin>i cant find it on his site
13:32<Cosmin>what about any promos?
13:32<Peng>Cosmin: Linode rarely has promotions; dunno if there are any right now, though.
13:33<WoodWork>Cosmin: I have a referral code, if you'd like to use that. Entirely up to you.
13:33<@irgeek>There aren't any promos at the moment.
13:33<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
13:33<axod>use the code FREEBACON to get 12 rashers of free bacon on any 540 linode
13:33<@Perihelion>For 3 easy payments of $19.95 this axod can be yours! Now with more grease!
13:34<@irgeek>Cosmin: Check the "Hosted by Linode" link at the bottom of
13:34<@irgeek>The r= part is the referral code.
13:35<axod>I want a 'hard payment' option.
13:35<axod>easy is for wimps
13:35<@Perihelion>I can happily bill you for over 9000 years in one go
13:36<@Perihelion>Enjoy that next invoice, sir.
13:36<@mikegrb>mmm cake
13:36<Peng>axod: You have the option to travel to Absecon and bake a cake using ingredients whose price totals your bill exactly.
13:36<Peng>Including tax.
13:36<@Perihelion>Dude that would be awesome
13:37<axod>do you have a "draw a 7 legged spider" payment option
13:37<@Perihelion>Not anymore
13:37<axod>that thing was genius
13:40<@Perihelion>Yeah, it still makes me laugh
13:40<@Perihelion>After all these years
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13:41<@Perihelion>By which I 2
13:41<axod>yup... oldie but classic. "Can I have the drawing back then" etc
13:41<JshWright>Peng: there's a bakery right near the Linode office... they might accept payment in gift certificates
13:42<axod>there's a few books that are just full of funny letters written to customer care depts.
13:43<Peng>JshWright: No. The whole point is that it shows personal effort.
13:44<JshWright>What if I personally mail a check to Minos bakery?
13:44<@mikegrb>mmm cake
13:44<Peng>JshWright: That's nice, but it's not nearly as much effort as baking a cake.
13:44<Peng>Yes, thank you, mikebot.
13:45<axod>you could specify that payment must be via mechanical-turk earnings
13:46<axod>that would ensure sufficient effort
13:46<straterra>im enjoying a couple dozen subway cookies
13:46<axod>I'm starving :(
13:46<Guspaz>straterra: I assume you'll also enjoy the hospital stay?
13:46<JshWright>I just had a waffel
13:46<straterra>What hospital stay?
13:46<JshWright>yeah... that's it...
13:46<Guspaz>Eating a couple dozen subway cookies would probably cause injury.
13:47<Guspaz>A trio comes with two of them, and even that's pretty rich.
13:47<@Perihelion>HOW MISLEADING
13:48<Guspaz>A trio... a sub, drink, and cookies or bag of chips...
13:48<straterra>Oh..a meal/combo
13:48<Guspaz>We call them trios here.
13:49<JshWright>silly Canadians...
13:49<Guspaz>They contain three items, you see...
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13:49<JshWright>I went to Canda and the nationalistic gas pumps wouldn't let me use my credit card...
13:50<straterra>Did you have to give it blood?
13:50<axod>when I'm in the US it's the same for me
13:50<Guspaz>Odd. North American credit cards are not US/Canada specific.
13:50<@Perihelion>Maybe you all just fail at using CCs abroad
13:50<Guspaz>Other countries, sure, but the US/Canada cards don't have restrictions on the other.
13:50<@Perihelion>I've used mine in several countries
13:50<axod>hate gas pumps that ask me to type in a zip code
13:51<straterra>I used my credit card in China
13:51<Guspaz>90210 FTW
13:51<axod>Guspaz: it has to match the billing address
13:51<Guspaz>My typical test data is "Alaska, 90210"
13:51<Guspaz>Since our system doesn't validate the zip codes...
13:51<straterra>But alaska isn't 90210
13:51<Guspaz>Since our system doesn't validate the zip codes...
13:51<JshWright>Guspaz: the register inside worked, but the pump wouldn't accept it
13:51<straterra>But alaska isn't 90210
13:51<Guspaz>Since our system doesn't validate the zip codes...
13:51<straterra>But alaska isn't 90210
13:51<axod>of course it works both ways, since most US credit cards aren't accepted in the UK any more
13:51<Guspaz>Since our system doesn't validate the zip codes...
13:51<axod>at least in shops
13:51<straterra>But alaska isn't 90210
13:51<Guspaz>Since our system doesn't validate the zip codes...
13:52<straterra>But alaska isn't 90210
13:52-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*] by FloodServ
13:52<axod>Guspaz: I don't think 90210 is Alaska
13:52<Guspaz>But it could be, if they moved Alaska. Or California.
13:52<mangos>i think that's in california
13:52<mangos>there was a show about it
13:52<tjfontaine>straterra: ha ha chick
13:52<JshWright>Guspaz: you win
13:52<@Perihelion>Am I feeling nice?
13:53<axod>I wonder why they didn't decide to use the 2 letter country code as the first bit of the zip
13:53<axod>eg CA8374
13:53-!-mode/#linode [-q *!*] by Perihelion
13:53<axod>makes *slightly* more sense surely
13:53<Guspaz>Country code?
13:53<tjfontaine>Perihelion: booooo
13:53<@Perihelion>Let that be a lesson to ye
13:53<straterra>I could have gotten around that..
13:53<Guspaz>You mean state code?
13:53<axod>well California is pretty much a country
13:53<tjfontaine>straterra: not without me getting angry
13:53<straterra>Perihelion: What? Alaska isn't 90210 o.O
13:53<bd_>axod: as a cross-check on errors on entering the zip code or state, for starters
13:53<azaghal>Note to Americans - NBA finals are _not_ world finals.
13:53<erikh>that was awesome.
13:53<Guspaz>We have postal codes.
13:53<@Perihelion>Yes, but we got the point the first 3 times :<
13:54<Guspaz>azaghal: But Canada has an NBA team.
13:54<erikh>there's only like 10 houses in canada anyhow
13:54<bd_> <-- also, some states get more or less of the zip code space
13:54<erikh>why bother?
13:54<Guspaz>The Toronto Raptors.
13:54<azaghal>Guspaz: Did they ever win anything?
13:54<erikh>stick to hockey.
13:54<Guspaz>I doubt it.
13:54<bd_>axod: also, they can sort by the first digits of the zip code. Like, if the zip code starts with 0 or 1, it's going to the northeastern US
13:54<bd_>Good luck doing that if it's alphabetical
13:54<Guspaz>We have baseball teams too. Well, one. Montreal's team was stolen by Washington DC.
13:55<axod>bd_: personally I'd rather letters to show the state :/
13:55<axod>numbers seem fairly random, and I'm not about to memorize them all
13:55<bd_>axod: zip codes are made for the convenience of the post office, not you :)
13:55<bd_>and you'd still have to memorize the numbers that go after that...
13:55<bd_>and the state's written on the same line anyway...
13:56<teahouse>there is a cool flash app somewhere
13:56<JshWright>erikh: hockey might not be the best idea either, given the recent Canada/US olympic game
13:56<bd_>Beverely Hills, CA 90210 <--- I fail to see how making this CA CA90210 helps
13:56<teahouse>that you type in a zip code, and it highlights all the areas that match
13:56<teahouse>so the more digits you put in the smaller the highlighted area gets
13:56<axod>bd_: because you wouldn't need to. You could make it CA210
13:56<bd_>axod: ah, but now how does the post office worker sort it into the right basket?
13:56<axod>chuck it in the cali bin
13:57<axod>maybe you'd need a couple more digits
13:57<Guspaz>JshWright: Our population is 10% of yours and yet our team is on par. Cut us some slack ;)
13:57<bd_>right now they might have a basket for 9-8 + 59, one for 50-58, 6, 7, one for 4,3, one for 0-2
13:57<axod>idk I'm just used to UK system which seems slightly more useful
13:57<erikh>JshWright: the US team is mostly canadians and russians anyhow
13:57<bd_>axod: They don't have a bin for every single state, you see
13:57<Guspaz>Canada's system allows for ~17-18 million postal codes.
13:57<erikh>i'm an equal opportunity asshole
13:57<bd_>they have maybe three or four bins
13:57<JshWright>Guspaz: you guys invented the sport... there will be no slack cutting ;)
13:57<Guspaz>Dang :P
13:58<bd_>for large areas of the country, plus maybe one for nearby towns
13:58<bd_>if you visit any US post office, you can often see the signs up over the bins in the back showing the zip code ranges they cover
13:59<bd_>the whole point of the zip code system isn't to speed local routing; it's to speed _global_ routing so the sorting workers don't have to think about which processing zone MN was in again
13:59<teahouse>the other day i got sent a large package, i had to pick it up at the tiny little post office out here
13:59<teahouse>the only lady working was old and she said it was heavy
13:59<bd_>and then on a local level they start paying attention to the later numbers
13:59<teahouse>so they let me back in the back to get the box
13:59<teahouse>it's funny living in a podunk town
13:59<bd_>teahouse: that's got to be against some kind of regulation >_>;
13:59<teahouse>the post office is in a converted retail space
13:59<teahouse>bd, probably, but like i said, small town
13:59<teahouse>they go with the "whatever works" philosphy around here
14:00<bd_>fair enough :)
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14:01<teahouse>it's much smaller than I'm use to
14:01<teahouse>I don't know how long I'll stay here
14:01<teahouse>but I bought a house in August of 2007
14:01<sadiq>how does downgrading a linode vm work?
14:01<teahouse>and as you'll recall, Lehman Bros took a shit in Sept 2008
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14:04<JshWright>sadiq: just link upgrading...
14:04<JshWright>only you end up with fewer resources, instead of more
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14:06<sadiq>JshWright: right but are the disks automatically resized to be smaller?
14:06<@caker>sadiq: you need to do that first
14:06<@caker>sadiq: shut down, click on image, enter new size, hit save
14:06<sadiq>ahh, ok.
14:06<sadiq>i'll need to schedule a downtime then.
14:06<sadiq>caker: thanke.
14:07<Peng>There's downtime from the downgrade itself anyway.
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14:09<mangos>crap, my 40 free monthly hours at pandora have run out
14:10<README>mangos, you'll like that
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14:10<mangos>there's something to pandora's algorithm that always picks a song i like..
14:10<mangos>dont find it to be the case with grooveshark
14:10<Controller>grooveshark just lets you pick out what you like
14:10<Controller>and put it on there
14:10<Controller>less like radio, more like winamp / itunes
14:11<mangos>that's too much work, lol
14:11<Controller>but yeah, the radio stuff
14:11<Controller>i get lots of lady gaga now
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14:11<erikh>hit the down arrow?
14:12<mota>are linode staff here, or is this more of a community thing?
14:12<Guspaz>Teahouse is gone, but most Canadian post offices are in retail space. My local post office is in a Pharmaprix (drugstore)
14:12<Guspaz>And this is downtown Montreal.
14:12<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
14:12<mota>I wonder if I might speak with a linode staffer privately? A possible TOS abuse of your system
14:13<Guspaz>Needs to go through that procedure so they have records and such things.
14:14<mota>thanks, I'll do it that way
14:14*mwalling points to the Abuse handle listed in the whois data for linode's ip address
14:15<mota>yeah, I just wanted to add the personal touch
14:15<Guspaz>Unlike most companies, linode usually replies to abuse mails.
14:15<Peng>"usually"? :D
14:16<JshWright>I've never had an go unanswered
14:16<Peng>I've never written an abuse email in my life. :X
14:16<Talman>Thankfully, I've never had to send one.
14:17<bryen>hello world!
14:17<Talman>I have. Usually DMCA take down notices.
14:17*Pryon abuses Talman RIGHT NOW
14:17<bryen>what should I be looking for when I get Linode Alerts about disk to rate thresholds?
14:17*Talman checks to see if Pyron is abusing him using original content.
14:17<axod>bryen: something doing nasty disk io?
14:17<Pryon>It's messed up when that's a real threat
14:18<Peng>bryen: It's probably something like swapping, backups, a database import...
14:18<straterra>Talman: I enjoy challenging those
14:18<Pryon>If you haven't modified the thresholds, it's possible they're set too low. It really depends on what's normal for your
14:19<Talman>straterra, you're smart enough to.
14:19<Talman>I made one guy change hosting 4 times.
14:19<@tasaro>Guspaz: have you sent us any abuse mails?
14:19<bryen>Pryon: But all I get are these notifications. I want to know what's actually causing it so I can look and determine whether it really is a problem.
14:20<mota>abuse mail sent
14:20<bryen>I'm guessing that it is something happening with the MySQL database from time to time.
14:20<axod>bryen: check what's running, check what swap is used, etc
14:20<Peng>bryen: Look at iotop or something, then.
14:20<Pryon>bryen: You need to figure out what's using the disk. iotop is nice
14:20<Peng>bryen: Also, vmstat will show you if you're swapping.
14:20<axod>but I get lots of notifications. It's like my wife nagging me.
14:20<axod>you can up the limits in the dashboard
14:21<Pryon>If the machine is totally hammered, you might be using all of your memory
14:21<Pryon>axod: I've upped my limits, so up yours! ( :-> )
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14:22<Peng>"If the machine is totally hammered" makes me think of a server soaking in a pool of alcohol for some reason... :d
14:22<Talman>Linode: Its like Coffee of Doom, but with servers.
14:22<Peng>:D * :(
14:23<Peng>Talman: But the sass is provided by customers, not employees.
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14:24<mwalling>i had one go unanswered, but that was because i opened a ticket 10 minutes later to make sure they got it becuase i sent it from my cellphone and had no traces of it in my logs
14:24<Talman>mwalling has to be some kind of honorary employee in the sass department.
14:24<linbot>The rules: (#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole
14:24<Talman>He's the resident asshole. Does that pay?
14:25<Talman>Or is it simply volunteer work?
14:25<erikh>he pays for the priviledge
14:25<JshWright>it's a voluteer gig
14:25<JshWright>mwalling's just that kind of guy
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14:26<linbot>find . -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
14:27<Guspaz>tasaro: No, but I've seen people report having done so and gotten responses. So rather than taking that as a hard rule that mails to abuse ALWAYS get responses, the word "usually" fits.
14:27<linbot>New news from forums: Anaconda/Kickstart/GUI CentOS Installation in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
14:30<@Perihelion>you fill up my seeeeeeeensesssssss
14:30*Perihelion sings to #linode <3
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14:31<Talman>Well, that's tiny AND cheap. Nice.
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14:32<Talman>I like the 2 out of 3 failure rate in the coments.
14:32<Nivex>Perihelion: better you than caker :)
14:33<@caker>statsTOOL: hello
14:34<statsTOOL>hello caker.
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14:35<statsTOOL>anyone knows a good stats reporting tool, I want to replace awstats with something better.
14:35<@Perihelion>Nivex: Whyfor :<
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14:36<Nivex>statsTOOL: "better" is a relative term. we run webalizer at work. of course noone bothers to look at the stats since they're all useless anyway...
14:36<statsTOOL>Nivex: thanks. does webalizer take up heavy cpu usage?
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14:37<Nivex>statsTOOL: dunno. we run it in cron overnight when noone's looking
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14:38<statsTOOL>Nivex: I keep going over my CPU and disk IO because of awstats. when i disable awstats, its all okay. I run awstats 4 times a day
14:39<JshWright>statsTOOL: you keep going over what?
14:40<statsTOOL>Jsh, I keep going over the threshold of 500 disk ops daily
14:40<statsTOOL>disk IO ops
14:40<statsTOOL>and CPU usage also spikes during that time, its because its reading the large apache/nginx log files
14:43<bliblok>Then raise the threshold
14:43<JshWright>statsTOOL: so set the threshold higher... 500 is pretty low
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14:45<statsTOOL>array: okay JshWright
14:46<statsTOOL>sorry the array went ahead of my mssage
14:46<statsTOOL>JshWright: is webalizer a good alternative to awstats?
14:47<Talman>Isn't awstats the pretty one, and webalizer is the not-pretty but ZOMG powerful one?
14:48<chesty>neither are pretty, awstats has more metrics
14:50<eug21>is it possible to have country domains like .de .fr and so on linode? Couldn't find info on this
14:50<Peng>eug21: Sure, whatever.
14:51<Talman>eug21: That's between you and your domain registrar.
14:51<Peng>eug21: Linode isn't a registrar, and doesn't have ridiculous restrictions on what the DNS manager can be used for, so...
14:51<Talman>YOu buy a domain, and point it to your linode server.
14:51<Peng>Although deNIC didn't like Linode's name servers, but that may have been fixed, and only matters if you use Linode's DNS manager anyway.
14:52<eug21>Linode DNS manager is not good to use? what do you suggest then
14:54<crazed>linode dns manager is fine
14:54<crazed>otherwise use bind/nsd/powerdns/tinydns etc
14:54<crazed>on your vps
14:54<eug21>thank you, will ask my registar then for further instructions
14:54<Talman>You have a choice between Linode DNS (You tell your registrar to use through, or your own DNS server.
14:54<Talman>Good luck with that.
14:55<Talman>Who's your registrar?
14:55<eug21>its in Estonia
14:55<eug21>and I don't know yet
14:55<eug21> :)
14:55<eug21>I was asked to move a web site
14:56<Talman>Well, you don't need to use an Estonian registrar, just any registrar that 1) Won't go out of business soon, 2) Supports ... I honestly am not sure what your TLD is...
14:56<Talman>Oh, and 3) Supports whatever payment method you're using.
14:56<Talman>So, you could buy a domain at GoDaddy if they support your TLD.
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14:56<SelfishMan>DON'T USE GODADDY
14:57<Talman>Goadaddy is an example. :)
14:57<SelfishMan>sorry, reflex reaction
14:57<Talman>But, why not use godaddy?
14:57<SelfishMan>I had a really bad feeling and switched to this window only to see GoDaddy being mentioned
14:57<Nivex>I use godaddy because they're dirt cheap. I don't do anything other than register the domain with them.
14:57<Peng>Everyone hates GoDaddy, don't you know? It's the Microsoft of registrars.
14:57<Nivex>I do my own DNS and hosting.
14:57<SelfishMan>Nivex: namecheap is cheaper
14:57<Talman>How much is namecheap.
14:57<Peng>It's cheap!
14:57<Talman>We're on godaddy with about 15 domains, and cheap is nice.
14:58<SelfishMan>I hate godaddy because they sold my info (not whois scraping) and when I tweeted about it I got a call from them demanding I take back the statement accusing them of it
14:58<SelfishMan>Talman: use the monthly coupon code
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14:59<Talman>Ok, I was gonna say. 7.95 is the price to beat these days.
14:59<Talman>Godaddy + Stupid Commercial Code == 7.95 for COM.
14:59<Nivex>SelfishMan: with or without proof that they hadn't done it?
14:59<Peng>Is the coupon code for the first year of service or forever?
14:59<SelfishMan>why? godaddy says it is $10.69 for a com
14:59<SelfishMan>first year
14:59<SelfishMan>Nivex: I had proof
14:59<SelfishMan>the info I provided them had a very specific company and division that junk mail was directed at
14:59<Talman>Add the coupon code, Selfishman, and its dropped to 7.95. You can get it various ways, including watching their damn web commercials with hot chicks and clevage.
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15:00<SelfishMan>that info never appeared in the whois records
15:00<Talman>Do you serialize your address and company names?
15:00<Talman>(We do)
15:00<SelfishMan>Talman: hashes, unique names, etc
15:00<Null_>a .com at cost is 7.04
15:00<Null_>IE: if you were a registrar yourself.
15:00<Talman>When you do that, and it leaks, its pretty obvious who leaked it.
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15:01<Talman>We use different addresses, mailstops, and variations on our company name.
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15:01<Talman>Anything going to the Virtual Office in Minneapolis is from whois data.
15:01<SelfishMan>Talman: the funny thing is that the guy that called me from "the office of the president of godaddy" told me that info wasn't anywhere in my account so *I* must be wrong
15:01<Talman>Anything coming to the real physical address is going to be from a vendor.
15:02<SelfishMan>despite the email confirmation from them showing that info being there. When I logged in while on the phone with him sure enough the info was missing
15:02<Talman>Yeah, I got a phone call from the Office of the President of Paypal once. ;)
15:02<Talman>That's a pretty big office.
15:02<Talman>Someone wiped it.
15:02<crazed>i got a call from the United Stats of America
15:02<Talman>And that email is a forgery!
15:02<crazed>at least thats' waht it said on the caller ID
15:02<SelfishMan>crazed: so did I. They told me I owe them moar monies
15:02<crazed>CID spoofing is fun
15:02<Talman>Yes, yes it is.
15:02<Talman>I know what I'm doing today.
15:02*SelfishMan remembers to pay his taxes
15:03<Talman>My Asterisk box on tamaki.
15:03<crazed>asterisk is fun
15:03<SelfishMan>also, danica is looking old
15:03<Talman>Yes, yes she is.
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15:03<Talman>That's why she's the straight woman to everyone else getting naked.
15:03<Talman>only no nudity.
15:04<SelfishMan>holy hell she is younger than me and looks a lot older
15:04<Talman>She drives stock cars and probably suns a lot.
15:04<crazed>do they actually get naked
15:04<Talman>Nothing with fuck you up more than exposure to the sun.
15:04<crazed>on teh website
15:04<Talman>Fuck no.
15:04<crazed>fff gay
15:04<Talman>No, not gay, just stupid.
15:04<crazed>glad i never bothered to look
15:05<Talman>I watched it once out of boredom.
15:05<Talman>You get bored in my job.
15:05<crazed>what job
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15:05<Talman>I unfuck the company I work for on a daily basis.
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15:07<trulse1>Do I have to reboot to mount more disk space to a node?
15:07<Talman>I believe so, yes.
15:07<trulse1>ah, ok :)
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15:08<straterra>win 20
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15:10<SelfishMan>my IPv6 spamtrap just caught that
15:10<SelfishMan>apparently the subject line is good enough to put the whole damn message now
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15:13<azaghal>SelfishMan: That's a huge subject...
15:14<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
15:14<azaghal>Oh. My. Marx!
15:14<azaghal>18 millions!
15:14*azaghal writes a mail
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15:15<azaghal>Combined with my winning of UK national lottery, and the Nigerian job, I'll be filthy rich!
15:15<SelfishMan>azaghal: $18.5 Millions!
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15:16<azaghal>Now just need to also send my credit card information to that Russian girl that wants to meet me, and I'm set off!
15:16<linbot>SelfishMan: Spam subject of the hour: Exclusively for info, -80%
15:17<linbot>azaghal: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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15:19<Peng>SelfishMan: That's eventually going to get linbot akilled.. :D
15:19<SelfishMan>Peng: nah
15:20<SelfishMan>not enough volume for it to happen
15:22<saikat_>what is the site again to check what the current outages are?
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15:24<mgc>can anyone here help me with a tomcat6/jsp problem?
15:24<mgc>I can't get tomcat to recognize my apps in webapps!
15:25<mgc>i get the "you did it!" tomcat page
15:25<mgc>but then none of my apps are showing up
15:26<saikat>thanks Battousai
15:26<mgc>anyone have any advice for this?
15:27<mwalling>mgc: ask tomcat people too, since its not a linode specific problem
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15:28<mgc>mwalling: hmm, good call
15:28<mgc>i guess I've just always found a lot of good help in this channel
15:28<mgc>i'll try their
15:28<mwalling>not saying no one will help you here, but there are a higher concentration of tomcat users there then here
15:28<mgc>true, true
15:28<mwalling>(i use jetty, and only as a container for hudson and nexus)
15:29<mgc>good god I'm almost willing to switch from tomcat
15:29<mgc>it's been nothing but a pain
15:29<mwalling>jetty purrs on my linode
15:29<mgc>well i'll keep plugging away at this for a while
15:29<SelfishMan>*cough*java sucks*cough*
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15:29*caker rolls eyes
15:29<mwalling>drop the wars in /usr/share/jetty/webapps/ , restart the container, *cough* fuck you SelfishMan *cough*, and you're good to go
15:30<SelfishMan>!f why do javurs suck?
15:30<linbot>SelfishMan: Screw you, SelfishMan
15:30<BBHoss>java the language is pretty bad, but the VM is quite good
15:30<SelfishMan>mwalling got to linbot
15:30<mwalling>wtf is wrong with the language?
15:30<@caker>don't even bother, mwalling
15:30<BBHoss>its way to verbose
15:30*mwalling listens to caker
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15:31*mwalling redacts
15:31<@jed>ha, you want verbose
15:31<@jed>go learn objective-C and cocoa
15:31<SelfishMan>I actually found the MS java VM to be the most stable and fastest years ago just before they had to kill it
15:32<mwalling>when i write "' '.join(['build/%s.o' % file[:-2] for file in os.listdir('.') if os.path.isfile(file)])" it pisses off my coworers
15:32<mwalling>they like verbosity
15:32<BBHoss>mwalling: to each his own
15:32<TheFirst>jed: EVIL EVIL steaming pile that stuff is!
15:33<mwalling>jed: at least i have a garbage collector :P
15:33<@jed>mwalling: so does leopard
15:33<@jed>iPhone doesn't, desktop it's optional in 10.5+
15:33<BBHoss>mwalling: no, you have a few garbage collectors :)
15:33<@jed>10.6 I think they mandated it
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15:35<saikat>My CPU usage on my linode shot to about 400% a couple hours ago. I just noticed it, but it had made my linode completely inactive - I just rebooted because I needed it back immediately, but any ideas how I can debug what caused this?
15:35<SelfishMan>I just had someone send me a perl script with a goto in it
15:35<SelfishMan>I laughed at them and delete it without running it
15:35<SelfishMan>saikat: OOM!
15:35<mgc>hey I prefer C, myself
15:35<linbot>Please run the command 'wget -O - -q --post-data="`free; ps aux`"' and post the returned address here
15:35<mgc>but I'm just deploying a webapp
15:36<saikat>awesome, thanks mwalling SelfishMan
15:36<mgc>not my choice
15:36<SelfishMan>ha, didn't know that was still there
15:36<mwalling>mgc: sadist :P
15:36<mgc>mwalling: haha, C is great!
15:37<saikat>SelfishMan or mwalling: is it possible to use that command to see what was using so much CPU?
15:37<mgc>unfortunately I have to deploy this damn java jsp webapp now
15:37<saikat>sorry i mean
15:37<Peng>mwalling: Wait, do you mean masochist?
15:37<saikat>using so much CPU in the past
15:37<saikat>not currently
15:37<mwalling>saikat: you ran out of memory
15:37<saikat>why would running out of memory make my CPU percentage shoot up?
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15:38<Peng>Being deprived of memory makes Linux so angry that it needs all of the CPU to calculate how much it hates you.
15:38<SelfishMan>saikat: oom-killer went postal and killed the kernel
15:38<Peng>Or that.
15:39<saikat>oh interesting
15:39<SelfishMan>saikat: log into lish and use the command that lets you view the previous dmesg log
15:39<Talman>Right, silly question. There's no speaker on my linode, right?
15:39<axod>it should detect OOM, and start gziping the memory
15:39<mwalling>i bet if you used logview you'd see the oomkiller in action
15:39<SelfishMan>you pretty much will have to reboot your node to make it function properly again
15:39*mwalling gzip's axod's mom
15:39<mwalling>sorry, mum
15:40<SelfishMan>the thing is that oom-killer doesn't usually kill the source of the problem
15:40<saikat>yeah i rebooted already
15:40<saikat>let me try seeing
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15:41<axod>aaaarargrrhggghhh out of memory!!! mysql kill! apache kill! must survive by killing everything!
15:41<SelfishMan>I killed urmom
15:41<SelfishMan>wait, that didn't really work
15:41<@Perihelion>Apache respawns
15:41<SelfishMan>Perihelion: not if you kill the parent
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15:44<JoeK>a 540 costs 360$ a year
15:44<JoeK>>linode 360 reference
15:44<linbot>chesty: Fremont360 - 61, Fremont540 - 27, Fremont720 - 4, Fremont1080 - 2, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 1, Fremont5760 - 1, Fremont8640 - 1, Fremont11520 - 1, Fremont14400 - 1
15:44<Peng>Eek, don't say that. I don't want to think about how much I spend on my 540.
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15:45<SelfishMan>Peng: I'll trade bills with you if you would prefer
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15:45<Peng>SelfishMan: NO THANKS
15:45<JoeK>SelfishMan: sure
15:45<SelfishMan>why not?
15:45<JoeK>i have a 499$/mo bill >_>
15:46<axod>I'll trade with that
15:46<SelfishMan>i refuse to look at mine now
15:46<axod>nah actually, I just worked out Brazil traffic are quite high on my site, yet generate next to NO revenue!!!
15:46<axod>maybe I'll just block brazil
15:47<SelfishMan>axod: I have a list for that
15:47<mangos>axod: what type of site is it?
15:47<mangos>i only ask because i have loads of brazilian sites, heh
15:47<SelfishMan>mangos: tiny site you probably have never heard of
15:47<@Perihelion>Yeah it's horrible small
15:47<axod>urmom has a brazillian
15:47<@Perihelion>horribly, too
15:48<mangos>ive used that once or twice :p
15:48<SelfishMan>seriously though, I have a list for that
15:48<axod>mangos: everyone keeps telling me it's *so* web1.0 and needs redesigning etc
15:48<axod>so don't worry.... I know...
15:49<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS6939; ASN owner: Hurricane Electric, Inc.; ASN reg: 1996-06-28; City: Absecon; State: New Jersey; Postal code: 08201; Country: US; Latitude: 39.4209; Longitude: -74.4977; UTC offset: -5; Area code: 609; Domains: 2;
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15:49<mangos>axod: i guess, but to what extent can you design irc..
15:49*axod feels like he's being scanned by one of those full body scans
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15:49<JoeK>axod: which linode do you have?
15:50<axod>JoeK: lots of little baby ones
15:50<Peng>SelfishMan: It's located in Absecond? :D
15:50<Holly>Hello all. I'm new to Linode and VPS. I'm trying to setup on Wordpress, using Linode as a staging server. Anyone here have experience with this?
15:51<JoeK>axod: how much little babies :p
15:51<axod>540s seem to work well for me.
15:51<Holly>I've installed the WP according to the Linode Library instructions, but when I go to the admin URL, I get "The requested URL /wp/wp-admin/index.php was not found on this server.
15:51<Holly>Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
15:51<BBHoss>Holly: install cherokee and follow the instructions on setting up wordpress
15:51<mwalling>Holly: what do your error logs say?
15:52<JoeK>axod: so you prefer... lets say 2 540s over 1 1080?
15:52<axod>JoeK: I have 14 or so linodes of various sizes though atm I believe
15:52<Peng>I'd love to have so many Linodes I lost count. :<
15:52<Peng>axod: All in Fremont?
15:52<JoeK>Peng: i have 4 linoes alone :p
15:52<@Perihelion>I onyl have 2 :<
15:52<JoeK>and i have about 7 from various providers
15:52<axod>JoeK: it makes a lot of stuff easier. For example I can redirect new people from A to B, then upgrade A, then put the load balance back in place etc. Also if one blows up it's not as bad
15:52<@Perihelion>Yeah I'm working on consolidating some of mine :P
15:53<crazed>axod: what do you use for load balancing
15:53<axod>Peng_: NJ,CA,london atm crazed: custom solution just doing redirects atm
15:53<crazed>ah alright
15:53<@caker>Holly: fwiw, there's a StackScript that'll get you a wordpress stack point and click...
15:54<axod>I tried that automatic update on wordpress, then it asks for your FTP details :o
15:54<azaghal>Damn hipi...
15:54<mwalling>thats only if it doesnt have write permission to its files
15:54<@Perihelion>You can fix that
15:55<SelfishMan>axod: only if the permissions prohibit the webserver from writing to the directories
15:55<axod>mwalling: yeah it was odd, I spent ages making sure it had permissions. Gave up and did a manual upgrade in the end
15:55<Holly>BBHoss: I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy) - I don't think Cherokee's an option for me.
15:55<JoeK>axod: how much bandwidth does mibbit bring up in total monthly?
15:55<crazed>why wouldn't it be an optin
15:55<Controller>traffic on the private network (192.168..) interfaces is free, right?
15:55<mwalling>Controller: yes
15:55<JoeK>Controller: si
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15:56<JoeK>darn you mwalling
15:56<mangos>axod: dang that's a lot of brazilians
15:56<Peng>JoeK: A few TB.
15:56<mangos>its your most popular channel lol
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15:57<JoeK>axod: i noticed on the mibbit irc network, it states there are thousands of users online; are any widget users on any network connected there in some sort of logging scheme?
15:57<axod>how do you mean?
15:58<JoeK>we;;. doing /lusers states there are 4000 users online
15:58<JoeK>afaik, /list dosent have enough values to equal 4000
15:58<Holly>caker: I'm looking at the Wordpress StackScript, and I'm baffled as to how to run it.
15:58<axod>plenty of private channels most likely,
15:59<@caker>Holly: click on your Linode, shut it down, blow away the disk images, click the "Deploy a Linux Distribution" link, then on that page "See also: StackScripts", find the Wordpress Stack, click, answer questions, deploy, boot, done.
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15:59<axod>JoeK: it's funny though, I'm terrible at estimating sums
15:59<JoeK>i find it quite impossible tbh <_<
15:59<Holly>caker: Ah. OK. I'll try that. I'm totally new to this, so apologies for the n00b questions.
16:00<@caker>Holly: nah -- ask away
16:00<axod>I often have a list of key-values, and see the top few, and think "yeah right, that's never going to add up to 10k", but then I put it through awk and it does :/
16:00<mangos>axod: do you make a living off mibbit?
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16:01<axod>I expect I could if I got rid of the Helipad and hovercraft
16:01<Controller>So, am I analyzing this correctly? There's no point in buying extras, it's always the same price as moving to a larger instance size, except moving to a larger instance also gives you more of the other resources
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16:01*Guspaz looks forward to the day that axod can live off mibbit so he can selfishly get faster progress
16:02<Controller>ie, for an extra $10 I can get another 100GB of xfer, or I can just go up an instance size, get 100GB of additional xfer, and more ram/cpu/disk
16:02<axod>mangos: idk, I guess in the hip world of today you might call it ramen rameny ramen
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16:02<mangos>that's pretty cool
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16:06<JoeK>the way linoe puts it -- extras are bad
16:06<Yaakov>Perihelion isn't bad, she's just coded that way.
16:07<@Perihelion>Yeah whoever developed me should be shot.
16:07<linbot>JoeK: Your momma's got one short leg and walks in circles! (838:1/5) [mmuro]
16:07<Yaakov>You just need a sound refactoring young lady.
16:07<@Perihelion>Why someone would choose to hurt society in such a manner is beyond me
16:07<Peng>Controller: Linode prices extras that way to encourage you to upgrade to the next plan, to balance load better.
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16:08<@Perihelion>Yaakov: Refactor me baby!
16:08<Peng>Controller: Still, extras can be useful, if you, say, only need 90 MB of RAM, or can't schedule the downtime for an upgrade right now.
16:08<axod>the ram upgrades don't require a restart?
16:09*Yaakov does a thorough code review.
16:09<Peng>axod: Ah. Yeah, RAM upgrades require a reboot, but it's still less dowtnime than a migration.
16:10<Nivex>Yaakov: you want to come teach our developers how to do that?
16:10<Peng>Obviously you don't want to reboot in the middle of a slashdotting either, though. :-\
16:10<Holly>caker: I've installed the Wordpress stack, no errors. But how to I get to the admin?
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16:10<Yaakov>Nivex: I find myself rather occupied at the moment.
16:11<axod>ah ok makes sense... a ram upgrade without a reboot would be really cool+clever though
16:12<axod>could even have an option "[X] If my linode gets OOM, upgrade the ram for a bit and alert me"
16:12<Peng>axod: Indeed. I think it's actually possible in Xen now, too.
16:12<Peng>Or at least in-progress.
16:12<@caker>yeah! pay as you go RAM!
16:12<@caker>metered RAM!
16:12<axod>most people I'm sure would rather pay a bit for extra ram than have their machine crash OOM
16:12<mwalling>please no
16:13<axod>yes yes yes!
16:13<Yaakov>I want 16 bytes of extra RAM please.
16:13<mwalling>fixed ram
16:13<chesty>until one node consumes all the hosts ram then oops then gets a bill
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16:13<Peng>caker: That's actually a neat idea. Not worth the amount of effort it would take you to develop, though.
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16:14<axod>idk, I'd bet a fair number of linodes get out of ram
16:14<axod>should measure it
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16:14<@mikegrb>mmm cake
16:14<chesty>i'd rather free nodes, supported by cake
16:14<Yaakov>It needs hysteresis and ceilings but it would be workable.
16:14*caker implements, and then defaults MaxClients to 90000000 in all templates
16:14<Yaakov>caker: But... you are NOT evil...
16:14<axod>you could charge RAM by the byte-minute
16:15<Peng>caker: Sell Linode's IP list to an excessively-fervent search engine, too.
16:18<linbot>New news from forums: Linode Data Center #6 in Sales Questions and Answers <>
16:20<Holly>Never mind. I figured it out. Only issue now: how do I hide the directory?
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16:20<crazed>buying more space?
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16:25<ataylor>im trying to add SSL to one of a few virtualhosts on my linode... should I comment out the virtualhost directive in ssl.conf and add the necessary paramters in httpd.conf?
16:25<ataylor>since at the moment it just loads the default apache page when I https
16:25<Guspaz>axod: A lot of the time, when linodes OOM, it's not because they need more RAM, but because they're misconfigured; doubling the RAM probably still wouldn't help if they're getting hit with heavy traffic and are using a default Apache config with PHP>
16:25<Controller>this client has a server named stage.alpha.stage. this will end well.
16:25<mwalling>stage alpha stage
16:25<mwalling>boom da boom da
16:26<mwalling>stage alpha stage
16:26<Nivex>boom de ya da?
16:26<mwalling>boom de ya da
16:27<Controller>beta dev test qa
16:27<mwalling>thats not how the song goes
16:27<bss>i love #linode's urmom
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16:27<linbot>azaghal: Yo momma's so ignorant, She thinks a computer is the monitor. (758:1/2) [mmour]
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16:28<Hyperial>Any promotions going on right now? :-) Thinking about getting another node.
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16:30<Peng>Hyperial: Aside from the annual payment discounts, no, as of a couple hours ago.
16:30<mwalling>[02-23] 13:33:04 <@irgeek> There aren't any promos at the moment.
16:30<Hyperial>So I missed one eh?
16:30<Hyperial>oh well.
16:30<mwalling>no, thats the last time a staff member said there were none
16:31*TheFirst can't remember there being a promo since he started using linode
16:31<Hyperial>oh ok
16:31<axod>Guspaz: sure, but a $25 charge for dynamic ram doubling and an alert to say "Oi! check your config" would usually be more useful than OOM
16:31<path>i wonder if the promo code box was taken away, would people still ask for codes?
16:31<mwalling>path: yes
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16:33<Nivex>promo code URMOM should be an easter egg
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16:34<Peng>Nivex: It should double the price.
16:34<axod>promo SLICEHOST should make your linodes run half the speed
16:35<Nivex>oh, better yet, "urmom" as an undocumented LISH command
16:35<@Perihelion>Peng: are you srs it should be free
16:35<Peng>axod: That's brilliant. Perihelion: Do it! :D
16:35<@Perihelion>I can't :(
16:35<@Perihelion>It would have to come out of my paycheck D:
16:36<@Perihelion>I like monies
16:36<crazed>money money money
16:36<Peng>Who needs monies when you can have pranks?
16:36<darkbeholder>trick one of the others into doing it then :)
16:37<stefanie>you might be able to get Jed to do it
16:38<mwalling>Nivex: you know there are easter eggs in lish, right?
16:38<Peng>mwalling: More than one?
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16:39<mwalling>i think so
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16:43*Nivex just found one
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16:43<Nivex>and another
16:45<Nivex>I'm getting the feeling mikegrb had a hand in these
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16:48<Yaakov>Oh no! Suspiscous activity on my Credit Union Australia account!
16:48<Yaakov>Wait a minute...
16:48<Yaakov>I don't have a CUA account!
16:48<Yaakov>I've been ULTRAhacked!
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16:49<stefanie>oh noes!
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16:51<SirSquidness>Yaakov: thanks for passing on the message - I set up an account in your name.
16:51<SirSquidness>That suspicious activity was just me using/abusing it
16:51<Yaakov>Oh... well thanks... I guess...
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16:55<SirSquidness> Impersonation is the highest form of flattery, so they say.
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16:55<jcy>or imitation
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16:56<Yaakov>Yes, it's imitation...
17:00<axod>woo! my tar has finished
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17:03<Peng>axod: Wow, that took a long time.
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17:05<axod>tell me about it :/
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17:07<axod>download ETA is 7 hours :/ time to upgrade my ADSL? lol
17:07<Guspaz>How big is the tar?
17:07<Nivex>axod: Google fiber?
17:08<Guspaz>Compressed with what?
17:08<mwalling>rm -rf <-- best way to fix compile errors
17:08<axod>yeah I hear they're becoming an ISP right?
17:08<Peng>axod: Right.
17:08<axod>Guspaz: tar -czf
17:08<Nivex>yep, it won't be long before Grandma's saying "How do I get on the Google?
17:08<axod>idk Google as an ISP seems like playing to the whole 'Google has access to too much of my data' crowd
17:08<Guspaz>Rather than spending 7 hours downloading, a better compression algorithm that supports solid archiving (RAR, 7zip, etc) would probably have saved more time in downloading than it took to compress.
17:09<axod>they're surely going to be up in arms about it
17:09<Guspaz>Well, solid archiving isn't the requirement, since it's TAR'd.
17:09<Nivex>honestly I think Google is going for more of the "here, see! It wasn't so hard to lay fiber! Now do what you want with it."
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17:09<Guspaz>But a compressor that doesn't just compress discrete chunks.
17:09<Nivex>which will unfortunately mean the incumbent ISPs charging too much for access
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17:10<axod>idk I think gzip is good enough. It's not going to be far smaller with anything else
17:10<axod>there's not usually much choice in the US it seems for ISPs
17:10<Guspaz>Well, is the content compressible? If it's media, sure.
17:10<Guspaz>If it's compressible, then gzip is pretty bad.
17:10<axod>Guspaz: plaintext
17:11<axod>so pretty compressable
17:11<JoeK>i fit in with the "google is doing too much with our data" crowd
17:11<Guspaz>In which case, you'd likely end up with a file that's a fraction the size with lzma.
17:11<mwalling>not really: your cable provider, your phone provider (either fiber to the house, or DSL), a variety of dsl provders, or satelite
17:11<Guspaz>(lzma being used by 7zip)
17:11<JoeK>ive seen a similar situations in video games (video games ;P)
17:11<Nivex>I hope Google ends up using this model:
17:11<axod>JoeK: it's sure going to be hard for them to resist following your browsing habits as an ISP in order to up their ad revenue
17:11<Peng>mwalling: The problem is just that they all suck. :)
17:11<Guspaz>gzip is block-based, so it won't take advantage of redundancy between blocks.
17:11<JoeK>axod: good point
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17:12<axod>Guspaz: ah ok true,
17:12<Guspaz>That 6.1GB would probably end up a significant number of gigabytes smaller :P
17:12<JoeK>i can also see them blocking competitors and saying "oops, we messed that up"
17:12<mwalling>Peng: verizon doesnt think my house exists, even though i got 4 phone books. thus, i dont even know if i'm fios eligable
17:12<axod>JoeK: although I used to wonder if Google did searches on GMail data to check for competitors, check for ideas on products etc
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17:12<JoeK>axod: your theory supports itself
17:13<axod>Guspaz: probably only 5GB or so though
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17:13<JoeK>the more data google has, the easier they can whip up searches
17:13<JoeK>arent they going to sell power too?
17:13<JoeK>i know they got certified to do so
17:13<axod>JoeK: also it gets harder to know if they're doing it as well probably
17:13<Guspaz>Well, when compressing a bunch of archived fansub directories, comparing bzip2 (already better than gzip) to 7zip, I was seeing 45 MiB -> 18 MiB, but that was mostly solid archive savings.
17:13<axod>if they were logging what people browse, as an ISP, in order to better target ads, how would anyone know
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17:14<axod>Guspaz: wow, that's quite a difference,
17:14<JoeK>you can always proxy, but then again; the less ...... computer literate users..
17:14<JoeK>im just driving myself into a wall
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17:14<JoeK>this is good for companies when you think og it
17:14<JoeK>now their ads will appear more "geographically located"
17:18<Guspaz>Well, we have the opening karaoke scripts for each episode, and they're ~2MB each, very similar except for all the timings being offset. So if you have enough of those, solid archiving makes a huge difference.
17:18<Guspaz>But now you've got me all curious as to what sort of savings you'd see with something better than gzip :P
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17:20<Yaakov>I have been wearing a tie two or three days a week lately...
17:21<Guspaz>You should try to break that habit.
17:21<stefanie>ties are awesome
17:21<@Perihelion>Why did I read the "e" as a "t" :(
17:21<Guspaz>Ties are a useless accoutrement that signifies submission to authority.
17:21<axod>rotfl @
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17:22<Yaakov>Perihelion: We need to accelerate your refactoring.
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17:22<@Perihelion>Yaakov: Yes
17:22*Nivex facepalms
17:22<Yaakov>stefanie: I cut a fine figure in shirt and tie. I don't have to wear suits at this point...
17:23<stefanie>Yaakov: I'm sure you do :D
17:23-!-azaghal [~azaghal@] has joined #linode
17:23<Yaakov>Finding shirts that fit properly is a bit difficuly.
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17:26<stefanie>They never want it to be easy for you.
17:26<Guspaz>Why, do you have a four foot long growth sticking out of your side?
17:26<Yaakov>No, it's just that I need a 42" chest with a 16" neck and 34" sleeves.
17:27<Yaakov>I can find them, but they aren't the common size.
17:28<Guspaz>big and tall shop, or is it the proportions that are hard to find?
17:28<stefanie>yeah, I know how you feel. I have wide hips, but short legs. So that happy medium usually isn't so happy
17:28<Yaakov>I am neither big nor tall.
17:28<Guspaz>I have a hard time finding pants that fit. My proportions are odd.
17:29<@Perihelion>stefanie: Glad to know I'm not the only one who can't find freaking clothes
17:29<@Perihelion>Women's clothes are not made for real people
17:29<@Perihelion>I swear.
17:30<Yaakov>I have a slim waste and a big chest. Shirts are sized for overall small or big, and generally for a belly nowadays.
17:30<@Perihelion>It's the American way, sir.
17:30<Yaakov>NOT WASTE
17:30<Guspaz>It's that damned inside leg measurement that is always too short in proportion to the waist or some such bullshit.
17:30<stefanie>It's even harder right now, my parasite is slightly low sitting, so finding pants that wrap around is hard.
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17:31<@Perihelion>Yeah if I were ever pregnant I think I'd just create a toga out of bedsheets and be done with it.
17:31<@Perihelion>It seems much easier.
17:31<stefanie>I'd wear dresses if it wasn't so damn cold, and I wasn't so white right now
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17:31<axod>the real question when pregnant seems to be if you wear your underwear under the bump, or over it
17:31<@Perihelion>I don't do dresses...but I'd totally rock the toga.
17:31<Guspaz>Dresses don't work so well in Montreal.
17:31<@Perihelion>axod: Or not at all!
17:32<Guspaz>Not that I'm speaking from personal experience or anything.
17:32<axod>Perihelion: true, could get messy if things happen though
17:32<stefanie>Remeber to have straps on both shoulders or you're a prostitute
17:32<@Perihelion>That seems like a lot of effort
17:32<@Perihelion>And goes against my lazy ways that got me into the toga in the first place
17:33<Peng>Maybe you could start a toga fashion trend.
17:33<@Perihelion>I could...togas will be this year's new fashion statement
17:33<Guspaz>Aren't togas a tad drafty?
17:34<Yaakov>Perihelion: You should get a Utilikilt.
17:34<Peng>Start a Toganode subsidiary of Linode. :D
17:34<@Perihelion>If I'm wearing a toga, I'm probably pregnant. Therefore I will have plenty of other things to bitch about besides the draft
17:34<@Perihelion>Just sayin
17:34<stefanie>I second that
17:34<Guspaz>Perihelion: In Montreal?
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17:34<@Perihelion>Guspaz: Anywhere
17:35<stefanie>You do gain twice the body heat
17:35<Guspaz>If you're pregnant wearing a toga when it's -30 with windchill, you'd probably complain about the draft over anything else. Not that we have many days that cold.
17:35<stefanie>Remember your little parasite is a human too, and humans give off hear
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17:36*axod is glad he's not a woman
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17:36<@Perihelion>Hmm, I'm always cold
17:36<@Perihelion>Perhaps this is an incentive
17:36<Yaakov>Perihelion: You should get a Utilikilt.
17:36<axod>I'd freak out having a human being wriggling around inside
17:36<@Perihelion>Yaakov: Yes I saw that the first time and was scarred into not responding
17:36<stefanie>getting kicked in the kidneys isn't fun either
17:36<Guspaz>It's like Alien all over again.
17:36<@Perihelion>Aww, you're having a kickboxer <3
17:37<stefanie>more Alien that kickboxer
17:37<stefanie>She presses out, and my tummy undulates
17:37<@Perihelion>That would bother me
17:38<stefanie>you get used to it
17:38<Guspaz>Nothing good can come of this. It will burst forth and cause mayhem.
17:38<@Perihelion>Perhaps, but I would probably punch myself in an attempt to get to the kid the first time :<
17:38<axod>random gripe: why is it that on OSX, "ls foo -l" fails whilst it's fine on everything else. PITA
17:38<Guspaz>Shouldn't it be "ls -l foo"?
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17:39<axod>Guspaz: it shouldn't matter
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17:39<@Perihelion>Random gripe: Why is it that there are never any cheetos in this house when I want them?
17:39<Guspaz>Installing MySQL on OS X is a nightmare. The packages set a default root password but don't tell you what it is.
17:39<@Perihelion>o.O Mine never had a password
17:39<@Perihelion>I had to set one
17:40<@Perihelion>With ports, that is. With the one from the site it asked me
17:40<Guspaz>A friend was trying to install it on his macbook for a project. We would install it (from the MySQL site), and then couldn't figure out the root password. I ended up having to go through the reset-root-password procedures and set a new one.
17:40<Guspaz>It never asked :(
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17:41<@Perihelion>I did it like a month ago and it asked me for a root pass
17:41<Yaakov>Perihelion: You should get a Utilikilt.
17:41<@Perihelion>I'm going to slap you in the soul
17:41<Guspaz>Perhaps the friend, in the previous attempts on his own, set one without remembering, and the installer kept detecting that and decided not to ask.
17:42<stefanie>Yaakov is persitant
17:42<Guspaz>Which is still dumb.
17:42<@Perihelion>Also have you ever worn a kilt? Heavy garment is heavy.
17:42<server_hunting>Is this the place to ask about Linode Plans?
17:42<@Perihelion>Ignore the banter about kilts :)
17:42<Yaakov>Perihelion: You should get a Utilikilt.
17:43<server_hunting>Its amusing :)
17:43<@Perihelion>Excuse me Yaakov I am being a PROFESSIONAL
17:43<Guspaz>Perihelion: s/the banter about kilts/Yaakov/
17:43<@Perihelion>Please do not interrupt my PROFESSIONALISMISHNESS
17:43<Yaakov>Oh, sorry.
17:43<@Perihelion>Guspaz: ^5
17:43<@Perihelion>Anyway, how can I help you?
17:43<axod>linode plans = world domination? invade germany?
17:43<server_hunting>Never mind, you actually made me laugh :D
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17:44<@Perihelion>Hmm, is that good or bad >_>
17:44<Linoder>i have a PC w/o a monitor.. need to access HD... any ideas?
17:44<tjfontaine>take the harddrive out
17:44<axod>Linoder: get a USB drive caddy thingy
17:44<Guspaz>Linoder: Linux live CD that has SSH enabled by default?
17:44<stefanie>Yaakov: I LOVE YOU TOO
17:44<tjfontaine>axod: so specific
17:44-!-neilio is now known as zz_neilio
17:44<@Perihelion>External drive enclosure
17:45<Linoder>Sorry.. let me rephrase.. i have a WINDOWS PC w/o a minitor..
17:45<server_hunting>Perihelion: I need to set up a backup or primary mail server offsite, not much throughput but availability is an isue. What do you reccomend
17:45<axod>Perihelion: that sounds extremely technical
17:45<Guspaz>Linoder: Linux can read FAT32/NTFS/etc.
17:45<@Perihelion>server_hunting: In terms of setting one up or location-wise?
17:45<@Perihelion>axod: It's srsbiznis
17:45<Yaakov>Not an enclosure. Just a USB <--> IDE/SATA adapter.
17:45<@Perihelion>Oi who let you out of your cage
17:45<Guspaz>One of them bare drive docks?
17:46<Guspaz>I reckon that they'd be real handy on a testbench.
17:46<Controller>they are handy
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17:46<Linoder>Yaakov? wat's the name of this thing?
17:46<axod>server_hunting: availability of linode has been pretty A1+++ would recommend
17:46<Controller>so are these notebook ATA/SATA -> USB connectors
17:46<Yaakov>Or the moral equivalent.
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17:46<Yaakov>There are many of them. I have used that one, it works well.
17:46<server_hunting>Perihelion: it terms of setting one up, using linodes servers, linking it to delivery through ssh and put all available mail inside my local network as usual
17:47<Controller>thats what i was just talking about
17:47<Guspaz>A++++++++++++++ WOULD BUY FROM AGAIN
17:47<axod>another random gripe: you can't leave negative feedback on ebay any more? wtf
17:47<Yaakov>Linoder: Take your pick:
17:47*Guspaz hasn't used ebay in years
17:48<axod>Guspaz: probably for the best
17:48<Guspaz>I recall hearing something about negative feedback, though.
17:48<@Perihelion>server_hunting: I personally don't have mail set up on a Linode (yet), but I'm sure others in here can attest to it
17:48<Guspaz>I just installed exim for forwarding, IIRC.
17:48<axod>mail config scares the heeby jeebies outa me. Google apps FTW
17:48<Yaakov>I do all my spam... err... email from my 'node.
17:48<@Perihelion>axod: Yeah that's what I do. lazy ftw
17:48<tjfontaine>says the man with the java irc portal
17:49<Yaakov>It rocks my communications world.
17:49<Guspaz>Hey, it's only server-side java :P
17:49<server_hunting>Perihelion: Does linode gives rdns resolution to their servers?
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17:49<Guspaz>server_hunting: You can control the rdns yourself as long as the domain points to the IP.
17:49<Guspaz>It's configurable in the linode manager.
17:49<@Perihelion>Yes :)
17:49<axod>tjfontaine: idk mail config just seems to be extremely hard for some reason. Like you have to learn a whole new language syntax dialect, have to learn about extremely low level stuff you'll never need to know etc
17:49<Peng>server_hunting: It defaults to, as well.
17:50<server_hunting>so you have full control of dns records?
17:50<Peng>server_hunting: Yes.
17:50<axod>tjfontaine: I guess like anything though if you do it enough you get used to it :/
17:50<Guspaz>Well, it's just a text box into which you enter the rdns hostname, and then the manager verifies that the non-reverse thing points to the IP.
17:50<Peng>server_hunting: Well, you can't delegate it to your own name server, and you can't set it to something wrong, but...
17:51<Peng>server_hunting: What?
17:51<server_hunting>I get freaked out with "but ..."
17:51<Yaakov>server_hunting: The "dashboard" allows you to set rDNS to a corresponding forward entry. There are also five redundant servers for forward.
17:51<Peng>server_hunting: "but you don't need to do thsoe things".
17:51*axod gets freaked out with "Look. We need to talk....."
17:52<@Perihelion>Mr. axod we need to have a conversation in a very serious tone
17:52<Yaakov>server_hunting: So it does everything you could reasonably want.
17:52<Controller>@axod: email sucks
17:53<Controller>i just paid someone $100 to setup (and document) a mail system on here, because i was too lazy to fuck with it myself
17:53<server_hunting>Ok, guys, you are one chatty community, let me do some numbers and phone some people and i'll talk to you later. Thanks in advanced
17:53<@Perihelion>jingle bells, postfix smells, sendmail laid an eggggggg
17:53<@Perihelion>server_hunting: There's also a less chatty document library for specific help :)
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17:54*stefanie wishes to stab people who make 20 multiples of the same crossword on classhelper.
17:54<server_hunting>Perihelion: thank you, i'll take a look as soon as i can
17:55<server_hunting>Have a nicy chatty evening everyone, Goodbye
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17:55<@Perihelion>Guys we made a friend :3
17:55<axod>what a thoroughly nice chap
17:55<Controller>it's a bromance
17:55<Controller><3 <3 <3 ?
17:55<@Perihelion>I'm a chick
17:55<@Perihelion>So it's ok
17:56<Peng>Maybe server_hunting is female!
17:56<@Perihelion>That makes it a homance then
17:56<Controller>that's still ok, Peng
17:56<@Perihelion>Which is entirely different
17:56<Peng>Controller: Yeah, good point.
17:57<axod>could have been a dolphin
17:57<@Perihelion>shoulda had a v8
17:57<axod>I hear they are very intelligent these days
17:57*Guspaz is happy that there is a "yuri" sub-convention for Otakuthon this year.
17:57<Guspaz>The yaoi girls were scary.
17:57<axod>would anyone recommend any particular XMPP server out of the ones
17:57<axod>or are they all much of a muchness?
17:58<tjfontaine>clearly you're just going to pick the javur one
17:58<@Perihelion>I know a ton of people who use ejabberd
17:58<stefanie>What about the coconut weilding octopi?
17:58<@Perihelion>It will take over the world
17:58<axod>if (app.isJava()) installationFactoryWidget.createNewInstance().install(new InstallationBundleHelper(app));
17:59<axod>ejabberd is the only one I've heard of,
17:59<G>Perihelion: thats all jibberish to me
17:59<axod>maybe that's a good sign
17:59<@Perihelion>G: Which part?
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17:59<Peng>HedgeMage runs ejabberd.
17:59<@Perihelion>There's a lot being discussed in very little time \o/
17:59<G>Perihelion: jabber = jibberish :P
17:59<@Perihelion>I say we discuss cheeses and wine next
17:59<@Perihelion>G: Oh, well...ura jabber
18:00<G>ahhh gotta be a Pinot Noir
18:00<@Perihelion>I'm not too picky
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18:00<axod>Finest mature spray cheese in a can
18:00<@Perihelion>However I like my cheeses to not smell like feet or something
18:00<@Perihelion>So that rules a lot of European ones out
18:00<stefanie>I concur
18:00<@Perihelion>easy cheese <3
18:00<stefanie>Havarti's tasty
18:01<@Perihelion>And oh so delicious in sammiches with sprouts
18:01<stefanie>especially with dill, yum
18:01<@Perihelion>Yes :3
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18:01<axod>It's a bit of a conundrum how Americans have cheese with everything, yet cannot make cheese
18:02<@Perihelion>We make excellent cheese
18:02<stefanie>like cheddar
18:02<axod>:) ok then
18:02<Controller>the cheese we have on everything is the cheese we can't make
18:02<Controller>it's not actually cheese
18:02<@Perihelion>I rest
18:02<Controller>it's dairy simulcra
18:02<axod>American cheese to UK cheese is probably what UK cheese is to French cheese
18:02<@Perihelion>UK cheese taste weird
18:03<@Perihelion>Sometimes, anyway
18:03<Controller>They really do make good cheese in some places though
18:03<Yaakov>There are many excellent US cheeses. Cheddars in the US are excellent.
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18:03<axod>maybe I just went to the wrong places then
18:03<Controller>Of course, good cheese is relative. My g/f like this hard italian stinky cheese
18:03<Yaakov>We also make very good farmer's cheeses though they are not aged.
18:03<Controller>that stays good forever
18:03<@Perihelion>you can see mah cheese but you cant have mah cheese cuz it nacho cheese
18:03<stefanie>goat cheese is full of yum
18:04<@Perihelion>Some of it is gross
18:04<Yaakov>Perihelion: You have the palate of an American college student.
18:04<Controller>i like feta
18:04<Controller>and mozeralla
18:04<@Perihelion>Yaakov: Can you blame me? :D
18:04<Controller>and swiss
18:04<Yaakov>I guess it is expected...
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18:04<Controller>what do the swiss call swiss cheese?
18:04<Controller>just cheese?
18:04<ericoc>how do i make irssi stop highlighting for "eric" :[ amERICan keeps making me think someones talking about me
18:04<@Perihelion>I am a grad student...I have to live on cheese to cover my school loans n stuff
18:04<@Perihelion>I cant afford much else
18:05<@Perihelion>Swiss cheese is a joke
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18:05<@Perihelion>You dont get what you pay for
18:05<Tyler>Havarti cheese is awesome on sandwiches
18:05<Tyler>I was informed someone else said that
18:05<@Perihelion>It's more expensive and has holes in it
18:05<TheFirst>cheese is expensive!
18:05<Tyler>You sir have taste.
18:05<@Perihelion>Which is a joke
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18:06<@Perihelion>I'm a fan of port wine spread
18:06<Yaakov>There are cheeses and wines in the US as good as any in the world. Of course, it is not the popular taste, and the general run of cheese and wine is trash.
18:06<@Perihelion>And in fact...I think I shall partake in some now
18:06<Tyler>Port wine spread? lol
18:06<@Perihelion>Yeah...port wine cheese? :D
18:06<@Perihelion>It's nomtacular
18:07<axod>Yaakov: I'm not convinced.
18:07*Guspaz loves Oka cheese
18:07<Yaakov>I think you mean, "Port Wine Cold Pack Cheese Food".
18:07*Perihelion lobs it at Yaakov
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18:07<Talman>>> There's nothing wrong with port wine cold pack cheese food spread.
18:08<Yaakov>axod: It's true though. There a international award winning wines and cheeses in every eligible category made in the US.
18:08<@Perihelion>maryland is famous for crabs (lulz) so they put crab chunks in cheese
18:08<stefanie>Brie is pretty good, not a fan of the rind though
18:08<@Perihelion>it smells horrible
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18:08<@Perihelion>The rinds of cheeses are good for soup
18:08<@Perihelion>Adds a nice flavor in some cases
18:08<Yaakov>stefanie: There are edible rind bries now.
18:08*Guspaz does not like Oka rinds.
18:08<axod>Yaakov: The US also wins the world series :/
18:08*Talman never bothered with the fancy cheeses.
18:09<@Perihelion>technically other people could partake in that
18:09<@Perihelion>But baseball is fail
18:09<@Perihelion>so no one wants to
18:09<@Perihelion>except like japan
18:09<Guspaz>Excuse me.
18:09<@Perihelion>For some reason they like it
18:09<Guspaz>Canada participates in that.
18:09<Yaakov>axod: These are entered into INTERNATIONAL contests, against European entries.
18:09<Talman>Japan loves Baseball.
18:09<Guspaz>The World Series involves multiple countries.
18:09<stefanie>Japan is weird though
18:09<@Perihelion>Yeah but really it should be the north american series
18:09<@Perihelion>Japan is awesome
18:09<Yaakov>stefanie: I give you the understatement of the year award.
18:09<stefanie>It's the source of all the world's crazy
18:09<Guspaz>True, true.
18:09<axod>Yaakov: ok, I'm not really a cheese coneseur, so I'm just comparing "average cheese used in supermarkets, takeaways, etc"
18:09<@Perihelion>I have ADD so the colors and lights were like
18:10<Talman>Think of it like the way the English do.
18:10<@Perihelion>thats the face i made
18:10<Talman>"We have to save the free world." <- England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales.
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18:10<Talman>... andthe Falklands can come too.
18:10<Tyler>Canada is the shit.
18:11<Yaakov>axod: That's not a valid comparison, though. However, WalMart sells a *very* nice cheddar from Cabot, cheap. ~8 bucks for two pounds. It is a real, aged cheddar. Eminently edible.
18:11<Tyler>Walmart fails
18:11<Tyler>Do not fall for their shit.
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18:11<stefanie> is full of win
18:11<@Perihelion>Tyler keeps reynolds wrap in business obviously.
18:11<axod>Yaakov: will check it out when I'm over in May
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18:11<Yaakov>It is a Vermont cheddar.
18:11<Tyler>Wish I knew who that was Perihelion
18:11<Talman>Most of is in the south.
18:11<Yaakov>Cabot also makes a 5-year cheddar which is great.
18:12<stefanie>it's still win
18:12<@Perihelion>Tyler: tin foil you noob
18:12<Talman>Perihelion, he takes advantage of their 5 free feet?
18:12<Yaakov>EAST COASTER
18:12<Talman>That might equal one hat.
18:12<Tyler>You're the noob
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18:13<stefanie>Now, now children, be sweet
18:13<axod>I read that as "EASTER"
18:13<@Perihelion>me? sweet?
18:13<axod>:/ it's almost upon us
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18:13<Yaakov>Perihelion: Here, dear. Supplies for you:
18:13<Talman>Are the Cadbury Eggs out yet?
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18:13<Talman>Only then will it be near Easter.
18:13<@Perihelion>They are here
18:14<@Perihelion>It's a delicious time in the US
18:14<Talman>You know why I hate the UK?
18:14<Guspaz>Cadbury Eggs have been on sale for a very long time.
18:14<Talman>They get that shit year round.
18:14<Guspaz>Which is sad, really.
18:14<axod>Talman: lol we also get real big easter eggs here
18:14<Guspaz>Pfft, it practically is on sale year round. At least in Canada.
18:14<axod>I haven't seen them in the US
18:14<Guspaz>Too bad I'm allergic to them.
18:14<@Perihelion>the giant eggs are awesome
18:14<Talman>We only get them near Easter.
18:14<@Perihelion>I wish we had those over here
18:14<Talman>Hershey's is really who makes them here.
18:14<@Perihelion>I have friends from the UK send em them
18:14<Guspaz>Hmm, I do believe that it's time for the bus.
18:15<Talman>Besides, you get real Cadbury chocolate.
18:15<Talman>We get Hershey's under license from Cadbury-Schwepps.
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18:15<axod>yeah that stuff's not good
18:15<axod>Hersheys = Chocolate - sugar - milk
18:15<Tyler>Perihelion when the fuck are you sending my Vanilla and Cherry Coke?
18:15<axod>but then you get mountain dew
18:15<@Perihelion>you can cross the border and get it yourself.
18:15<Tyler>I'll give you the damn money
18:16<Tyler>I gotta renew my passport and shit
18:16<Talman>Where the fuck can I find Vanilla Pepsi?! :(
18:16<@Perihelion>tjfontaine: But not entirely unwarranted!
18:16<tjfontaine>Perihelion: make love not war
18:16<@Perihelion>Talman: discontinued afaik
18:16<Talman>Fuck you Pepsi.
18:16<@Perihelion>tjfontaine: But Im just so stabby :<
18:16<Talman>It was better than Vanilla Coke.
18:16<tjfontaine>plztomake pepsi discontinued
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18:16<@Perihelion>y i liek t3h pepsi
18:16<tjfontaine>Perihelion: you can stab me
18:16<Talman>Pepsi is superior!
18:16<stefanie>Easy Bake inventor Ronald Howes looks like a wizard:
18:17<@Perihelion>tjfontaine: I'd make the same offer but I fear it would be interpretted much differently.
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18:17<Talman>Looks like an ANGRY wizard.
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18:17<@Perihelion>some'll winnnnn some will lose
18:17<@Perihelion>some are born to sing the bluesssss
18:17<stefanie>wearing his birthday crown
18:18<@mikegrb>mmm cake
18:18*Nivex runs like hell
18:18<@mikegrb>mmm cake
18:18<@Perihelion>moar cake
18:18<axod>couldn't find any easter eggs in the US when I was there for easter -
18:19<axod>do you get these? big hollow chocolate eggs full of more chocolate or sweets. maybe 6-12 inches or so big
18:19<axod>ah really... in walmart etc?
18:19<tjfontaine>sure and drug stores
18:19<Talman>axod: If ASDA sells it, we get it, usually.
18:19<axod>ah ok, cool
18:19<Talman>Well, except for shit like Aero bars.
18:19<DephNet[Paul]>hmm, I know BT like to charge for everything, but I didn't realise they charged for changing packages with your ISP
18:20<axod>hehe ah yes ASDA(Wallmart)
18:20<Talman>BT will charge you to look at you.
18:20<@Perihelion>this is disturbing
18:20<@Perihelion>in an awesome way
18:20<Talman>I'm still surprised that you people aren't still paying by the minute.
18:20<@Perihelion>I must...obtain this
18:20<tjfontaine>Perihelion: it's not their best mashup, but the only one with video
18:20<axod>BT sent me a warning email that I'd used too much bandwidth on my unlimited bandwidth ADSL plan
18:20<tjfontaine>Perihelion: i haz, CD arrived today [but it's "out there" as well]
18:20<axod>sorry, unlimited(*)
18:21<Talman>I love Aero Mint bars.
18:21<tacticus>aero is awesome
18:21<DephNet[Paul]>axod, they like doing that, that's why I don't use them as my ISP :P
18:21<axod>wish Nestle had bought Cadbury :(
18:21<tacticus>bob2: also correct
18:21<stefanie>I want to see a grown man dressed like Freddie Mercury singing I want to break free. Just like in video on American Idol
18:21<stefanie>that may be the only time I watch it
18:22<axod>DephNet[Paul]: their support also really sucks.
18:22<tacticus>they had this horrible practice of getting hospitals to give babies fiorumla then forcing the mothers to buy it
18:22<@Perihelion>That was delicious.
18:22<tjfontaine>Perihelion: a buddy of mine is looking to book them for a local show
18:22<@Perihelion>THat would be awesome...
18:22<@Perihelion>I think
18:22<axod>I think Nestle make better products than Kraft though :/
18:23<tjfontaine>axod: except for easy mac
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18:23<Talman>HOw would you force a mother to buy a brand of formula?
18:23<bob2>gun, head
18:23<bob2>or years of marketing
18:23<Talman>Nestle was basically how I could buy products in Mexico.
18:23<Talman>Identical package, different language? Still food.
18:24<Talman>I didn't even need to read labels.
18:24<Talman>bah, mail truck arrived, brb.
18:24<stefanie>Freddie makes such a lovely woman...
18:25<DephNet[Paul]>axod, i know, my old landlord had BT as his ISP, i think in the 18 months I was there, i phoned them up pretty much every month asking why were were being charged almost £50 a month for our internet, we were on the £25 unlimited(*) plan
18:27<axod>their call center staff basically know how to tell you how to turn your computer off and on again :/
18:27<axod>they follow their scripted questions and answers and have absolutely no clue about anything
18:28<axod>but then last 4 years I've only had to call up twice, both times I just got very angry with them since they couldn't accept that there was something broken with BTs servers/dns/routing/etc, so I may as well not have bothered
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18:30<sadiq>BT are a terrible ISP. =(
18:30<DephNet[Paul]>axod, i was charged £122.50 when i moved in here, for "line installation", yet the guy was here for a MAX of 20 minutes, and he had to install a MASSIVE £0.00 worth of equipment, as the line and box was already here.
18:30<sadiq>BeThere are fantastic, on the other hand.
18:31<axod>but unless you're near a bigger exchange with other ISP presense, or cable, everything goes through BT anyway, so not too much choice
18:31<sadiq>DephNet[Paul]: yea, they're really shitty about those installation fees. They've been trying to charge everyone and anyone it.
18:31<axod>DephNet[Paul]: hah that's ridiculous
18:31<sadiq>axod: if BT offer you ADSL, then there are about a billion other providers.
18:31<axod>sadiq: yes but they all go through BT at my exchange
18:31<sadiq>you won't end up using BT's dns/routing/privacy-violating-advertising-platform
18:32<sadiq>and you'll save money too.
18:32<JoeK>money you could use for more linodes
18:32<laser`>BT Total Broadband is amazing
18:32<JoeK></sales pitch>
18:32<axod>true @ dns etc, but you're still adding a middleman
18:32<laser`>My girlfriend has it
18:32<DephNet[Paul]>I phoned up querying why I had to pay the charge and was told that they charge every one if the engineer has to step inside your property, which he has to do to put his thing in the line, so he knows what cable to pull on in the cab, which he drove to
18:32<laser`>I get 12 Mbit/s at her house, which was pretty impressive
18:32<sadiq>axod: not really. You're just replacing the bit where the data pops off of BT's network.. on to another of BT's networks.. with the data popping off P
18:33<JoeK>>implying you go to your girlfriends house to see internet speecs
18:33<sadiq>*off BT's network on to another ISP's network.
18:33<laser`>Heh, I just did a speed test there once :P
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18:33<DephNet[Paul]>GAH, and now my current ISP are trying to say every one charges you for a plan change
18:33<Nivex>I used to go to my girlfriend's house because she could pull 48Kbps and my parents could only hit 26.4.
18:34<JoeK>she could pull something else too
18:34<laser`>My parents have 20 Mbits cable
18:34<laser`>'tis nice
18:34<axod>sadiq: sure, when we move which may be soon, I'll likely make sure there's cable, and other ISP ADSL (without BT)
18:34<Controller>both my 9600 and 14.4k modems were probably stolen.
18:34<sadiq>axod: it's a real shame that Virgin are so terrible.
18:34<Nivex>JoeK: ;)
18:34<sadiq>my old flat I used to get 21mbit ADSL2+ for £18/month with no caps or throttling.
18:34<DephNet[Paul]>id love to move to a LLU supplier, but the only LLU supplier in my exchange is TalkTalk/CPW
18:34<tjfontaine><in appropriate virgin joke>
18:35<sadiq>this new house i'm only getting 4mbit because it's so damned far away.
18:35<axod>sadiq: I think it's just history... they're probably a few hundred companies that've been squashed together over the last 10 years now
18:35<axod>I used to be with cambridge cable, which was then bought by NTL (which bought a ton of cable co's), then NTL bought by virgin
18:36<JoeK>birgin is horrible
18:36<JoeK>from whati hear
18:36<JoeK>its easy for us to ban them being as they have static ips :P
18:36<sadiq>axod: I really wished our government would force Virgin to open up their cable to other providers but that's hoping for too much competence.
18:36<sadiq>and hopefully BT's new network will actually mean they have to provide a decent service. It's a shame, Virgin have a better technology but they cripple it.
18:37<JoeK>virgin has good speeds
18:37<JoeK>but my friends cable shits out
18:37<axod>yeah wasn't there some talk of 100Mbps access over the UK from someone
18:37<JoeK>and they refuse to fix it since they say nothing is wrong
18:37<axod>maybe Cameron or something
18:37<axod>when I had NTL cable the worst thing was they ran web proxies and caches
18:37<axod>which would screw with everything
18:37<sadiq>JoeK: it's their crappy throttling thing that makes the connection unusable that is worst.
18:38<DephNet[Paul]>axod, no, this government think "super fast" is 2Mb/s
18:38<sadiq>i'd rather just have a fixed (lower) speed and then they just leave the connection alone.
18:38<sadiq>axod: oh and play with DNS too.
18:38<mangos>axod: im wondering, how do you know your brazilian visitors arent profitable at all? what software do you use?
18:38<axod>mangos: for a basic comparison I just setup some google adsense channels for different countries
18:39<mangos>ah, didnt know you could do that o_O
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18:39<axod>I think maybe you can do it with adsense+analytics, but I couldn't find it on there
18:39<sadiq>google keep telling me that StateSim is under construction. =(
18:40<sadiq>but since they have around zero humans manning the thing, I can't tell them the ads go behind the login.
18:40<axod>mangos: they're profitable, but just not anywhere near the levels of US+EU
18:41<mangos>axod: yeah i know, the ads they get served pay nothing
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18:52<sadiq>axod: are there not brazillian agencies you could use that would be more useful?
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18:57<mangos>sadiq: the pay is equally shit :p
18:59<axod>sadiq: might try+find some, but the intel is good even just for deciding what countries to focus on for growth I guess
19:01<mangos>axod: i know a few if you're seriously considering it..
19:02<axod>sure, would be interested definitely
19:02<axod>it makes sense to try a few different things
19:02<mangos>not sure if it'd be worth it though, my returns were no better than with adsense
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19:03<mangos>also, im not too sure how international payments would work.. fortunately i had a brazilian partner who handled that locally
19:04<axod>yeah that's always the other issue
19:05<mangos>i'll pm you a few of them ive tried
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19:08<@Perihelion>That's so awesome
19:09<stefanie>I also found a site called Food Porn. Pictures of delicious on display
19:09<sadiq>axod: have you started charging real money yet?
19:09<@Perihelion>Haha yeah I've seen that one too
19:09<@Perihelion>And furniture porn
19:09<@Perihelion>Hot chair on chair action
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19:11<stefanie>oh yeah
19:11<@Perihelion>gimme dat armrest ma
19:13<@mikegrb>when did this become #linode-chixs :<
19:13<@Perihelion>last thursday
19:14<stefanie>I have to do something while Phil's out of town
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19:14<@Perihelion>IRC seems like a good use of time regardless of where he is tbh
19:14<@Perihelion>Just sayin
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19:14<stefanie>so true
19:16<axod>how is curling even a sport
19:16<@Perihelion>I asked myself this as they showed it for 12 hours on tv
19:16<axod>surely it's like extreme broom sweeping
19:16<@Perihelion>People keep sending me docx files for invoices
19:16*Perihelion despair
19:18<Nivex>Perihelion: you can't pay what you can't read
19:18<laser`>Pfft, I enjoyed the curling
19:18<@Perihelion>laser`: I did too for like 20 minutes
19:19<@Perihelion>Nivex: Yeah, that's the problem...
19:19<Nivex>I wanna see some curling!
19:19<Nivex>Perihelion: tell the invoicer that
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19:19<laser`>It's one of the few things we're actually good and might win a gold in :P
19:19<@Perihelion>I have
19:19<axod>and as for the skeleton.... lie on a thing falling down a thing
19:19<@Perihelion>I've complained loudly about it, in fact.
19:19<@Perihelion>This happens every month
19:19<axod>doesn't seem like too much skill is involved
19:19<Nivex>Perihelion: they won't put you back on paper?
19:19-!-fleish [] has joined #linode
19:19<@Perihelion>They don't do paper
19:19-!-Trystan [] has joined #linode
19:19<@Perihelion>I'm sure I could push it
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19:20<@Perihelion>Plus I don't want 324985709872345 papers here
19:20<@Perihelion>Excess paper bothers me
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19:20<Nivex>sounds like it's time to look at a competitor then
19:20<Nivex>or at least threaten such
19:20<@Perihelion>This is contracted to some degree
19:20<@Perihelion>There's only like 4 months left
19:20<@Perihelion>Then it's not my problem anymore.
19:20<Nivex>ah ok
19:20<fleish>any linode support reps in here? got kind of a major problem and been waiting 50 minutes for response on a ticket
19:20<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
19:21<JoeK>what is the linode protocol if one of their customers were just put into a dnsbl, such as SpamHaus or droneBL?
19:21<fleish>ticket 147821 - can't do anything in my linode unless I'm root
19:21<bob2>JoeK: fire them
19:21-!-k3yvn [] has joined #linode
19:21<bob2>JoeK: out of a cannon
19:21<bob2>JoeK: into the sun
19:21-!-ph^ [~ph^] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:21<fleish>can't execute /bin/bash - can't read files - all bad
19:21<Nivex>bob2: if you can accomplish that, there are some people at NASA who would like to speak with you
19:21<tjfontaine>JoeK: ?
19:22<bob2>fleish: did you destroy your file permissions with a chmod or chown command?
19:22<fleish>last thing done to the node was an upgrade from 4.0 -> 5.0 ... the node worked fine for hours after that
19:22<bob2>fleish: e.g. ls -l /bin/bash
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19:22<pwnguin>fleish: but you can do such things with root? and can get root access?
19:22<JoeK>i was wondering what would happen if somebody (linode IP) was put into a dronbl or blacklist of some sort
19:22<fleish>^last major thing anyhow^
19:22<fleish>bob2: negative
19:22<fleish>perms look fine
19:22<@Perihelion>JoeK: We tell users to work with the blacklists, in some cases we get involved if need be
19:22<bob2>fleish: what did that command print?
19:22<fleish>pwnguin: yes, as root I can do anything
19:22<Nivex>JoeK: my guess is, as long as they don't manage to blacklist all of linode's IP space, we point and laugh.
19:22<bob2>fleish: also, "mount | grep suid"
19:22<Controller>whats a good cheap ass cpanel hosting place
19:23<fleish>ns0:/# ls -l /bin/bash
19:23<fleish>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 700492 2008-05-12 12:02 /bin/bash*
19:23<bob2>Controller: elsewhere
19:23<JoeK>Nivex: then what if i buy a new linode and i get that IP
19:23<Nivex>Controller: what's an "ass cpanel" ?
19:23<pwnguin>fleish: i wonder if something is mounted noexec?
19:23<@Perihelion>Controller: You can get a license for $15 on some sites and host it on Linode :)
19:23<fleish>ns0:/# mount | grep suid
19:23<fleish>tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
19:23<fleish>proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
19:23<fleish>sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
19:23<fleish>tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
19:23<fleish>devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
19:23<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
19:23<Nivex>JoeK: what Perihelion said. You can usually clear it up in a day or two (which I had to when I got my linode)
19:24<JoeK>or something
19:24<stefanie>Pole dancing is apparently a part of the Olympics now
19:24<bob2>fleish: actually, pastebin the output of mount
19:24<Controller>yeah this isn't for me
19:24<Controller>this is for some stuff i don't want to touch
19:24<JoeK>i prefer directadmin
19:24<Trystan>stefanie: really? something to watch now then!
19:25<pwnguin>fleish: i assume the 4.0->5.0 upgrade was centos/rhel?
19:25<fleish>bob2: what auth do I use for linode pastebin?
19:25<bob2>or debian
19:25<fleish>pwnguin: debian
19:25<bob2>fleish: read the box
19:25<pwnguin>i dont even know the version numbers of debian =/
19:25<fleish>oh lol
19:25<pwnguin>codenames ftw
19:26<fleish>"ya'll hear that? we're using codenames!"
19:26<fleish>etch->lenny if'n ya like
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19:26<K3yvn1>im thinking of moving my company's web and mail services over to Linode from GoDaddy (because godaddy sucks and doesnt really support Ruby on Rails past v1.1.6…)…. could I talk to someone?
19:26<bob2>remember linode is a completely unmanaged service
19:26<fleish>we were advised in ticket 147755 issuing an apt-get dist-upgrade should be fine
19:27<K3yvn1>yeah i know, i just have some questions
19:27<bob2>it's the same as getting an unmanaged dedicated server
19:27<bob2>then just ask
19:27<Controller>wait you mean this channel isn't unlimited unix support?
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19:27<tjfontaine>get your HPUX and AIX support here
19:27<bob2>it usually is for polite people
19:27<K3yvn1>right.sorry :P so could I have multiple domain names pointing to my VPS, but each actually pointing a different port, essentially running more than one website from my VPS?
19:28<axod>it's unlimited *life* support
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19:28<pwnguin>fleish: im kinda guessing linode doesn't operate a massive QA team for every linux distro. when i plan to upgrade my ubuntu image i estimate i'll shrink the rootfs and clone the image for a quick recovery backup ;)
19:28<bob2>no need for different ports for http
19:28<@Perihelion>You could
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19:28<bob2>for https, if you want multiple sites and multiuple certs, you either need multiple ips or to use different ports
19:28<Controller>K3vyn, since HTTP/1.1 (a long time ago) what bob says is true, you can run thousands of sites on the same IP and Port
19:28<Nivex>feature request: copy on write snapshot for just such an occasion
19:28<bob2>you can get one extra ip by asking, more need arin-acceptable justification
19:28<Controller>yeah except https
19:28<K3yvn1>they wouldnt be https
19:29<tjfontaine>bob2: only because we don't use the damn TLS RFC
19:29<Controller>i'll be quiet since bob is typing faster
19:29<K3yvn1>just regular sites…
19:29<bob2>dunno if "we want separate certs" is gonna fly
19:29<fleish>pwnguin: I try not to assume ... figured asking was safer ... though I guess someone could have answered blindly
19:29<bob2>tjfontaine: 2010 will be the year of SNI on the desktop
19:29<Controller>you can do 1 cert per vhost bob
19:29<fleish>but like I said, it worked fine for hours after the upgrade
19:29<fleish>then all of a sudden the sky fell
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19:29<tjfontaine>please please please interwebs
19:30<bob2>Controller: no, you can do one cert per (ip, port), unless you're willing to insist on SNI
19:30<pwnguin>fleish: hmm. perhaps a disk is full?
19:30<pwnguin>that can present oddly
19:30<fleish>nah, everything's kosher
19:30<fleish>sendmail even runs
19:30<fleish>but it runs as root ;)
19:31<pwnguin>usually a small portion is reserved for root
19:31<fleish>the system is fully aware of the user id's existing
19:31<bob2>df -h
19:31<fleish> / has 7GB free ... that should be more than enough
19:31<bob2>explain more fully what happens when you attempt to login as another user via ssh and when you 'su - otheruser'
19:31<fleish>to execute /bin/bash ;)
19:31<bob2>blah blah
19:32<pwnguin>its been ages since ive used debian; did they throw in selinux or apparmor?
19:32<bob2>and dmesg would show if that was the case
19:32<pwnguin>its it available?
19:32<bob2>so check that too
19:32<fleish>no errors are thrown in the logs upon an ssh in attempt - the session itself tells me it can't execute /bin/bash or cd to /home/fleish
19:33<bob2>fleish: ls -ld /etc/ /etc/bind/ /etc/bind/named.conf
19:33<bob2>ls -ld /bin
19:33<fleish>bob2: all are normal
19:33<bob2>where normal =
19:33<fleish>normal = anyone has access to them
19:33<fleish>and the calling user owns them
19:33<bob2>ok, good luck
19:34<axod>strace su <user> ?
19:34<pwnguin>the only thing i can think of that would let a user work okay for a while then stop is some sort of pam caching tool
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19:39<pwnguin>fleish: how did you upgrade?
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19:39<fleish>pwnguin: yes. and to your previous comment no nscd or any such caching running
19:40<fleish>axod: good idea, diff'ing strace su <user> between here & a working system
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19:41<fleish>axod: aside from a few read lines that read in less data on the bad node - everything is fine until it tries to execute /bin/bash & gets denied
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19:42<pwnguin>fleish: here's a fun one. ls -l /
19:42<pwnguin>what's the permissions on / ? 700?
19:43<fleish>oh good fucking grief
19:43<pwnguin>i'd check your history
19:43<pwnguin>someone must have typo'd your nameserver out of commission ;)
19:43<pwnguin>google search ftw
19:44<fleish>yeah that'd have been me
19:44<fleish>cd /web/
19:44<fleish>ls -l
19:44<fleish>ls -dl
19:44<fleish>cd ..
19:44<fleish>chmod 750 .
19:44<pwnguin>so, not a linode problem :P
19:45<fleish>nope, PEBKAC
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19:48<pwnguin>i saw a neat lecture on debugging where they correlate logs to determine which components are connected that shouldn't be
19:49<pwnguin>they do something crazy and calculate an 'interarrival rate'; throw away everything but timestamps
19:51<pwnguin>apparently this works for their purposes; but i wonder if adding things like timestamped logs to admin accounts would be useful :)
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19:59<fleish>pwnguin: I think it'd be great, b/c my contention here is there was a long delay between my
19:59<fleish>chmod 750 .
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20:00<Peng>sudo is logged... :>
20:00<Peng>(by syslog)
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20:04<Gnewt>sigh.. this library (physical library to get books at) keeps killing my streams
20:05<Nivex>public library or university?
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20:06<dja>I am ready to give up on my cacti install for Centos. Does anyone have a clue on how to set permissions properly for the rrdtool, the /usr/share/cacti directory and the rra directory?
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20:10<Controller>there's some
20:10<Controller>too slow
20:10<mangos>would linode's payment system accept a prepaid visa?
20:10<fleish>gotta be fast in this ADD-afied world :P
20:10<amitz>mangos: most likely yes.
20:10<fleish>mangos: can't imagine why not
20:10<Controller>mangos, you can usually use them with fictional data
20:11<Controller>i bought a account with one
20:11<orudie>is this TV compatible in european systems ?
20:11<mangos>orudie: does it accept PAL? if so, yeahn
20:11<Talman>I used to buy Linode on a Paypal Pre-Paid Virtual Visa.
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20:11<orudie>it doesnt say
20:11<mangos>Talman: those exist?
20:12<fleish>Controller: fictional data how?
20:12<Talman>Paypal Toolbar issues them if you're a "business" account.
20:12<mangos>orudie: sure it says
20:12<Talman>Which just means clicking a button.
20:12<Controller>made up zip code name etc
20:12<mangos>orudie: "ATSC, NTSC, QAM Tuner"
20:12<mangos>NTSC = north america
20:12<mangos>i dont know what atsc is
20:13<mangos>maybe thats a euro standard
20:13<Talman>Um... Yeah.
20:13<Talman>ATSC is our version of digital TV.
20:13<Talman>That will only work in the US and Canada, and maybe Mexico.
20:14<amitz>Perihelion: wordviewer under wine ftw!
20:14<Controller>is HDMI compatible world-wide? Perhaps if he has a tuner/cable-box/satellite-receiver device that has HDMI out
20:14<Talman>Yes, it is, I believe
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20:14<Talman>You just can't use that thing's built in HDTV tuner.
20:15<Talman>It'd work fine as a computer monitor, HDMI monitor, composite or RCA monitor.
20:15<Talman>Or, oddly enough, USB monitor.
20:16<orudie>so is it PAL that's used in europe right now ?
20:16<mangos>i believe it is
20:17<mangos>i could be wrong, but i doubt it
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20:17<Napta>PAL has been used in europe forever
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20:17<Talman>There's NTSC, PAL, and SECAM, I think.
20:18<Talman>SEACAM maybe. South East Asia Something Or Other.
20:18<@Perihelion>amitz: Effort...they should just send me a PDF
20:18<saikat>is there any way from syslog or dmesg or messages to figure out what actually was taking up a lot of memory when my server got an OOM?
20:18<saikat>i see the messages in syslog showing that i got an OOM, and then some processes got killed
20:19<orudie>what's used in Russia right now ?
20:19<saikat>i'm having a hard time figuring out what dmesg is really saying
20:19<orudie>which video signal
20:19<Peng>saikat: dmesg gets reset when you reboot..
20:19<saikat>oh, so i guess that won't help me
20:19<saikat>hm, yeah, i rapidly rebooted just so people could get back online, maybe should have investigated first
20:20<saikat>now i know =)
20:20<saikat>there is nothing else that keeps any information that might be useful after a reboot, is there?
20:21<Nivex>has anyone ever tried turning overcommit off on a Linode?
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20:27<maushu>saikat, almost completely newbie here but doesn't the system make logs of *everything*?
20:27<saikat>maushu: as much as it can - there is definitely a log saying that there was an OOM error and a message saying which processes got kicked
20:28<saikat>but just because the system kicked postfix or wahtever, i don't think implies that postfix was the one taking up the most ram at the time
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20:28<saikat>at least, that's my understanding of it
20:28<saikat>i could be entirely wrong
20:28<saikat>in my case, hald and postfix got killed
20:28<maushu>It would make sense for the system to kick the process that was abusing memory.
20:29<maushu>Maybe postfix went bonkers?
20:29<saikat>hm, maybe
20:29<saikat>though it kicked hald first
20:29<saikat>kept going for a bit
20:29<saikat>kicked postfix
20:29<saikat>then CPU shot through the roof and no more messages until i rebooted
20:29<maushu>Weird. You're right, maybe it was other thing.
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20:46<amitz>arooni-mobile: I'm here, ask away if you're curious ;-)
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21:03<jpp>OK so I have this issue with Linode.
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21:03<jpp>I'm transferring my site from MediaTemple, because it's really slow on their servers.
21:04<jpp>all 360s)
21:04<jpp>Sorry this irc client is buggy for me
21:04<maushu>They still haven't fixed that slowness? I've heard about it from ages.
21:04<jpp>I set up an dev server, a main server, and a mysql server
21:04<jpp>on linode
21:04<jpp>all 360s
21:05<tjfontaine>good start
21:05<jpp>And I was going to upgrade after I pointed my DNS to linode
21:05<jpp>but but the 360s are handing everything like champs
21:05<jpp>wtf, guys?
21:05<maushu>I wish I could spend more money on servers.
21:05<jpp>Totally incredible.
21:05<maushu>I'm sure caker would wish that too, but me needs foods.
21:05<linbot>New news from forums: Asterisk process random crashing ? in General Discussion <>
21:06<jpp>caker et al, thanks for what you d.
21:06<@caker>our pleasure
21:06<jpp>d = do
21:06<amitz>I need water more than food.
21:06<jpp>their $150/month DV)
21:06<bd_>Meanwhile caker sits in his dollar-bill-paper-mache chair and cackles evilly.
21:06<maushu>If only I could monetize my poor single linode... hmmm.
21:06<jpp>wow sorry, am at MGH and they really hate IRC
21:07<jpp>I meant to say
21:07<Nivex>what is this?
21:07<bd_>jpp: run irssi on your dev box! ;)
21:07<maushu>Yes, make something actually useful for others so that they gimme monies directly or indirectly.
21:07<jpp>I am trasferring from MT's 150/month Rage DV
21:07*jpp looks up what irssi is
21:07<jpp>ahh :-)
21:07<tjfontaine>it's a ncurses based irc client
21:07<@caker>we need an irssi library doc
21:08<jpp>again, thanks
21:08<bd_>To the pparadismobile!
21:08<Nivex>you have a screen document?
21:09<maushu>caker, I'm curious, do you have any client running some kind of large browser game?
21:09<maushu>If you aware of it, obviously.
21:09<bd_>maushu: Their privacy policy prevents them from saying that, you know :)
21:09<bd_>(unless the client makes it public)
21:10<maushu>Doesn't need to be specific. Just yes or no would be enough. Oh well.
21:10<Peng>maushu: Does IRC count as a game? Because Mibbit runs on Linode... :D
21:10<maushu>Peng, you're kidding.
21:10<thegodlikehobo>IRC is multiplayer vi
21:11<bd_>maushu: whois their IP address
21:11<maushu>No, multiplayer notepad.
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21:11<Berglund>Does Mibbit run on Linode?
21:11<bd_>Berglund: yes. Say hi to axod over there :)
21:11<bob2>no it's all an elaborate right
21:11<bob2>er lie
21:12<Berglund>Wuuuy, cool.
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21:12<bd_>They use some Serious Bandwidth from what I hear
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21:13<maushu>Holy crap, I checked. They do.
21:13<mdcollins>mibbit uses linods dns at the least.
21:13-!-jpp [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:13<bd_>mdcollins: whois their webserver IPs and they'll come up linode too
21:13*Berglund now plans to stick with Linode for the rest of his life.
21:13<bd_>fremont, at that
21:14*Nivex wonders how much is Serious
21:14<bd_>Nivex: axod mentioned once, let me check my logs
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21:15<bd_>16:11 * axod is on a few TB now :/
21:15<bd_>that was feb 10
21:15<maushu>TB of text.
21:15<Berglund>That's costly.
21:15<Nivex>drat. I can get the 2002 version of "IPv6 Essentials" on loan, but t he 2006 version is checked out
21:15<maushu>TB of text. (since once is not enough to show how amazed I am)
21:15<bd_>Berglund: yeah, but Linode's $0.10/gb is pretty reasonable, as things go.
21:16<Peng>bd_: Mibbit has nodes all over, though.
21:16<Berglund>bd_: True, true.
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21:16<bd_>Peng: ah, I thought expanding to multiple servers was fairly recent? I remember axod discussing how to best get client affinity a month or two back...
21:17<Peng>bd_: I asked him today. :P
21:17<bd_>perhaps I misremember.
21:17<Berglund>Mibbit has 8358 users online atm.
21:18-!-saikat_ [] has joined #linode
21:19<bd_>but yeah, just remember, it could be _mibbit_ you're sharing the L3 with :)
21:19<@tasaro>tjfontaine: gets a MoinMoin powered and a Python powered but not a Linode powered? ;)
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21:19<tjfontaine>tasaro: haha
21:19<tjfontaine>tasaro: the moinmoin isn't run on a linode :)
21:21<bd_>tjfontaine: ... yet!
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21:21<tjfontaine>if it came down to it we could use it on atlanta :)
21:21<tjfontaine>tasaro: you are on
21:21<@tasaro>yeah. just found it
21:22<tjfontaine>it's missing one server (and another when I get london deployed)
21:22<@tasaro>but had to do so manuall, becuase that search form in the upper right seems to be useless
21:22<@tasaro>* manually
21:22<tjfontaine>click the text button, not title
21:23<@tasaro>bah, yeah, was hitting return
21:23<tjfontaine>ya, wikipedia behaves that silly way too
21:23-!-neilio is now known as zz_neilio
21:23<SnoFox>Is it possible to "merge" two Linode sub-accounts?
21:24<@tasaro>SnoFox: will they ahve the same billing info in the end?
21:24<@tasaro>then they must remain separate accounts
21:24<SnoFox>It's two different friends. They gave me access to their servers on the Linode control panel, so now I've gotta manage two separate account details. :p
21:24<SnoFox>Alright, thanks tasaro.
21:25<@tasaro>SnoFox and SnoFox2
21:25<Eman>linode is swinging the axe at uml :(
21:25<SnoFox>Whee, can't wait for SnoFox3 :p
21:26*tasaro waves goodbye to fremont28
21:26<SnoFox>I doubt I can change my username if someone already picked it for me, but can I?
21:27<Eman>it was still host74 the last time i rebooted my linode :(
21:27-!-Smark is now known as Smark[Gone]
21:27<Peng>tasaro: Something's happening to fremont28?
21:27<@tasaro>SnoFox: Account tab --> Users
21:27<goose>SnoFox: what do you want it to be? :p
21:27<SnoFox>goose: Different account. :p
21:28<goose>bah. you have no other accounts. only the one I gave you :p
21:28<SnoFox>tasaro: Does the main account have the Account tab? I don't see it.
21:28<SnoFox>goose: Someone else gave me access to not your Linode. :p
21:28*goose *jedi hand wave* no they didn't
21:29<SnoFox>No, they didn't.
21:29<goose>Dear #Linode, thank you for having awesome VPS's. I was getting really sick of my old VPS provider's crap. I love you. Love, goose
21:29<SnoFox>Dear SnoFox, I love you. Love, SnoFox.
21:30<Yaakov>tasaro, baby! How's it hanging?
21:30<SnoFox>goose, might I point out that some people you know might be here? :p
21:30<@tasaro>goose: i feel the need...
21:30-!-pheezy [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:30<goose>the need for speed!
21:30<goose>finally, someone who doesn't /me eats goose on join :p
21:30<goose>I like you. let's be friends.
21:31<SnoFox>That's random.
21:31<goose>SnoFox: I noticed, but how much do you think they pay attention to this channel? And even then, 1. I'm already migrated, and 2. I *do* (or did) pay them for service up to March 11th.
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21:31<SnoFox>goose, I don't think that matters. :p
21:31<SnoFox>Oh well.
21:31*SnoFox goes to bug methecooldude
21:32<Eman>converting uml to xen...
21:32<Eman>whats gonna explode on me
21:33<porkus>penguin guts absolutely everywhere. bring a sponge.
21:33<Eman>no seriously
21:34<Eman>either its automatic and the system edits files on my image
21:34<Peng>Eman: Not much. The device names of the disks and serial console will change, but Linode's scripts should automatically fix things.
21:34<Eman>or its not and i have to fix things manually
21:34<Peng>Eman: Some things might break because the kernel is going from 2.6.23 to either 2.6.18 or 2.6.32, but it should mostly be okay.
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21:35<Peng>Eman: FWIW, my migration to Xen went 100% smoothly.
21:35<Peng>Eman: If you use a pv_ops (> 2.6.18.x) kernel, you'll need to install NTP to prevent the clock from drifting.
21:37<Eman>i'd like to know what linode's scripts specifically edit
21:37<Eman>im assuming at least /etc/fstab
21:37<mdcollins>and probably /etc/inittab
21:37<Peng>Hey, I'm approaching 1 year of Xen. 2010-04-27.
21:37<mdcollins>for the virtual console
21:38<bob2>read the web page
21:38<bob2>it tells you want the helpers do
21:38<Peng>You can disabel them, too.
21:40<mdcollins>anyone know of a program that will run another program after the computer is idle for windows?
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21:49<amitz>hey guys and gals. I need some input. Now that my ISP has "changed" its infrastructure and now the lag to london and fremont is roughly the same, should I choose london or fremont. The linode is currently unused. But I plan to (one day, maybe) create an english website.. There are considerations about my target users. What else I should consider?
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21:49<Controller>how big you're going to get
21:49<Peng>amitz: The lag to London and Fremont is the same? As in one went down, or went up?
21:50<Controller>how many hours you're willing to throw into developing the code and procedures to run multiple datacenters
21:50<Controller>it's a big step to do that, in terms of your applications
21:50<amitz>Controller: gah, I think short term. Perhaps 1080MB big.
21:50<Controller>get one on the east coast, you'll cover the US and UK fine
21:51<amitz>amitz: is that meant to be a joke? or you're referring to my old problem where lag to fremont was a lot higher than to london?
21:51<Napta>There are also financial implications in terms of google penalties for a UK site loading in the US
21:51<amitz>Controller: ah, I get what you mean.
21:51<Napta>and vice versa
21:51<Napta>Those penalties for latency start to scale financially
21:52<amitz>Napta: got it, also legal implication. My site may be disturbed by US and UK law when in london.
21:52<@Perihelion>Is she trying to eat it with her butt? :(
21:52<stefanie>or something
21:52<Controller>what laws are you potentially overlapping?
21:52<Controller>Netherlands will host some stuff safely
21:52<Yaakov>Perihelion: You are, more bent than reality.
21:52<amitz>Napta: oh... what? google penalties? lag penalties?
21:53<Controller>a lot of porn guys have hosted in Netherlands, drugs too
21:53<@Perihelion>Yaakov: I try
21:53<Napta>amitz: Google penalizes slow loading sites, financially
21:53<Napta>and in their organic indexing
21:53<amitz>Controller: nah, I'm not planning to host something like that. I'm more interested to critique website and the like.
21:53<amitz>Napta: OOH.
21:53<Yaakov>I prefer inorganic indices of silicon.
21:53<Napta>We spent millions building a european presence to combat this :)
21:53<bob2>inter-dc latencies aren't going to hurt you
21:53<Napta>thats how much cash we werem issing out on
21:53<stefanie>Perihelion: oh, we know you try, and you succeed.
21:54<bob2>otherwise they're punishing every site in the world that's not hosted using geodns
21:54<@Perihelion>That's flattering really
21:54<Yaakov>Sorry, just an inter-DC latency.
21:55<@Perihelion>I should go sleep
21:55<Yaakov>Perihelion: Yes, yes you should.
21:55<Yaakov>Perihelion: Sleep HARD.
21:55<amitz>btw, there seems to be a direct path from fremont to london.
21:56<@Perihelion>I'm starting to feel like crap again :<
21:56<@Perihelion>So...ill sleep for 3 hours then wake up
21:56<stefanie>poor Perihelion. :(
21:57<Peng>Perihelion: You feel like crap? Why?
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21:58<@Perihelion>I'm sick...not sure what it is, but it can go away at any time.
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21:58<mdcollins>ive been sick for a few weeks now.. and just when i thought it was going to go away i got something else
21:59<Nivex>I'm just getting over my sick. Been down since late Saturday
21:59<@Perihelion>I rarely get sick
21:59<Nivex>going back to work tomorrow :(
21:59<@Perihelion>Which is why it's odd
21:59<mdcollins>same here
21:59<amitz>facebook/twitter/google main server is located in california, right?
21:59<mdcollins>it usually once a year for a few days, but this last year ive been sick 2 times and both were pretty good
22:00<amitz>Perihelion: still sick... hmm.. perhaps you shouldn't IRC much, or at least IRC-ing while laying down.
22:00<Nivex>I am so tired of winter.
22:00<@Perihelion>Same :<
22:00<amitz>what winter? :-p
22:00<stefanie>I concur
22:01<stefanie>winter is evil
22:01<mdcollins>im ready for spring, but dont look forward to summer. its too damned hot in summer.
22:01<pharaun>what winter?
22:01<pharaun>all of the "omg horror" winter snow storm in the north-east missed my area
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22:02<mdcollins>yeah, that made my job real fun..
22:05<amitz>what job mdcollins? policing IIRC?
22:05<mdcollins>Haha, i wish.. customer service.. for a big shipping company.
22:06<pharaun>oh shipping >_< that would blow
22:06<mdcollins>yeah, your telling me..
22:06<pharaun>with all of those "omg horror"
22:06<pharaun>i'm in tech so i couldn't take the day off sadly
22:06<Yaakov>GOOD NIGHT ALL
22:06<pharaun>they just told us all to just "go home" and work at home via VPN
22:07<@Perihelion>god bless you backlit keyboard <3
22:07<Peng>Yaakov: I SHALL
22:07<stefanie>Yaakov: GOOD NIGHT!
22:07<Controller>passed prime time on the linode setup for the first time
22:08*amitz kisses Yaakov, with multiple layers of protective rubber.
22:08<mdcollins>well, i do get to work from home, but the people that call in are just.. amazing.
22:08<@Perihelion>working from home <3
22:08<Controller>working from home = teh win
22:08<mdcollins>Yeah, its nice, but the job is tiring.
22:08<amitz>working from home < not working
22:08<Controller>so, it's going to be questionable as to wether 450gb is enough xfer...
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22:09<pharaun>working at home, eh i got tired of it, but same time its quite nice
22:09<pharaun>then again i only live 5miles from work :)
22:10<pharaun>and its just much easier to develop at work cos i'll have a full keyboard/screen/mouse
22:10<Napta>My girlfriend works from home... 7 days / 365 - it's not fun:)
22:10<Napta>Although when I do it, it's AWESOME
22:10<mdcollins>i do miss getting out during the day light..
22:10<pharaun>but i'll admit its so much more comfortable at home in my big ol' recliner
22:10<@Perihelion>My girlfriend wor...
22:10<pharaun>and home-cooked food!
22:10<@Perihelion>oh wait
22:10<Napta>facebook are complete slave drivers, fyi
22:11<amitz>pharaun: oh, they gave you laptop where you have to come early to get the best seat? ;-)
22:11<Napta>crazy bastards
22:11<mdcollins>you worked for them?
22:11<Napta>mdcollins: NO! thats the point
22:11<Napta>but I had an interview
22:11<Napta>the GF subsequently was hired though
22:11<@Perihelion>I heard that Linode place is pretty nice
22:11<Napta>I was looking for work/life balance hehe
22:11<Nivex>Napta: I had a place tell me that. A little more diplomatically mind you. I graciously told them I probably wouldn't be a good fit.
22:12<@mikegrb>pharaun: I live < 1 mile from work
22:12<mdcollins>I dont blame ya, i left a 65+ hour a week job for a sane ~40..
22:12<@Perihelion>When he says < 1 mile he means because he stays on the couch at the office
22:12<Controller>contracting is kinda fun
22:12<Nivex>I have a 40 hr state job now. It stopped being sane about a year ago, but at least I can leave it at work.
22:12<Controller>but you gotta stay motivated
22:12<pharaun>amitz: haha naw, we have our "cube office" not that great but we do have nice chairs and i'm deaf so the "noise" does not bother me
22:12<mdcollins>65 + about 1.5 hours for commute.
22:13<pharaun>mikegrb: pfft, lucky, i *almost* got a rental house that was cross the street from work
22:13<pharaun>that would've been fucking awesome to just stroll over, work a while, then stroll back over
22:13<Napta>Nivex: A good friend of mine "quit" his job for the same work life balance as you... but a month later it transpired he stayed on at his old firm in a consulting capacity for a while and ended up working twice as hard! :/
22:13<Napta>er, as well as working at the new place
22:13<amitz>pharaun: ah, I see. I was about to give you a tip if you are in a situation I thought you are.
22:13<@mikegrb>Perihelion: no, I finally remembered to bring my army cot back to the office
22:14<@Perihelion>Hahaha nice
22:14<@mikegrb>so it's along the wall
22:14<@Perihelion>Do you have the mosquito tent to go with it? :o
22:14<pharaun>amitz: haha what kind of situation did ya think i was in?
22:15<amitz>that situation, where your workplace is mobile, you're given a notebook, and you plug in into whatever seat left :-p
22:16<pharaun>amitz: oh, i had that on one of my intern
22:16*mdcollins should apply for the linode opening..
22:16<pharaun>it... sucked, but in the end i told people *THIS* is my *spot* get the fuck out
22:17<mdcollins>but, i like california..
22:17<Nivex>speaking of work, I have to be up at 6am for a maintenance window
22:17<Nivex>g'nite all
22:18<@tasaro>you should all send your resume to
22:19<pharaun>heh, i have no "sysadmin" stuff on my resume :-p
22:19<mdcollins>ah, but do you offer work at home options? cause im kinda partial to california. plus i just signed a new lease..
22:19<@tasaro>on-site only atm
22:20<@Perihelion>Yes, you must run on the giant hamster wheel in fremont so that we have moar power
22:20*mdcollins can do that
22:20<pharaun>hey if i was paid to run in a hamster wheel i would do it :-p
22:20<pharaun>would lose my damn weight fast :-p
22:20<@Perihelion>I would too
22:20*Perihelion nudges tasaro
22:21<mdcollins>tis only a ~120 miles to fremont from where i live...
22:21<@tasaro>Perihelion: run in a hamster wheel while editing your next doc
22:21<@Perihelion>Hmm, that could get interesting
22:21<@Perihelion>I think the docs office needs a treadmill
22:21<Napta>If you were seeking a gigolo, which features would be appealing to you?
22:22*Napta shrugs
22:22<Napta>recession, you know :)
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22:23<@tasaro>!seen array
22:23<linbot>tasaro: array was last seen in #linode 16 hours, 28 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <array> G: I don't like where this is heading... :P
22:23<Peng>It's New Jersey!
22:23<Napta>amitz: doh
22:24<Napta>I suppose Amazon EC2 billing was inspired by gigolo-ness
22:25<amitz>because it's cheap?
22:25<Napta>pssha, cheap. Try running one 24/7
22:25<Napta>Although try hiring a gigolo 24/7 too
22:25<Napta>Atleast you can negotiate a rate with a gigolo, I suppose
22:26<Napta>a "reserved instance"
22:26<Controller>i like ec2 billing
22:26<amitz>everybody to his/her own I guess. I'd rather hire the workers instead of the gigolo :-p
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22:27<Controller>there's no downside to ec2 billing for someone who wants to run constantly
22:27<tjfontaine>the downside is they'renot using linode
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22:27<Napta>haha, right on
22:27<Controller>does linode have some functionality like EBS?
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22:28<Controller>a volume that I can move between instances?
22:28*Napta wonders if Linode are planning to launch Zeus load balancing ;)
22:28<tjfontaine>Controller: buy another node and share it with iscsi or nfs
22:28<Napta>Controller: Well AWS provides a whole platform, which is great... but not everyone uses it
22:28<Napta>AWS S3 can be used externally... EBS is advantageous - but slow
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22:28<tjfontaine>(linode private network)++
22:29<Napta>Who the heck ports an existing application to SimpleDB... so thats out
22:29<Controller>I used EC2 for about two years, and S3 for oonger
22:29<amitz>Napta: your name repeatedly triggers a neuron in my brain. NAFTA...
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22:29<tjfontaine>I was going to go with napa valley
22:29<Napta>I have a napa valley t-shirt :/
22:29<Controller>Did you say NAMBLA
22:29<tjfontaine>oh snap
22:29<Napta>It came free in my wine-club
22:30<fiftycal>how many people in this channel are linode staff?
22:30<Controller>sorry jon stewart has damaged my mind
22:30*Napta takes his gigolo talk elsewhere!
22:30<bob2>fiftycal: /names
22:30<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community.
22:30<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
22:31<fiftycal>ah, so for the most part ops == staff. interesting.
22:31*amitz takes note. Perihelion is left handed.
22:31<@Perihelion>That's exactly it :)
22:31<bob2>for the entire part
22:31-!-mode/#linode [+o tjfontaine] by ChanServ
22:31<@Perihelion>Well, except tjfontaine
22:31-!-mode/#linode [-o tjfontaine] by tjfontaine
22:31<@Perihelion>He just cheats
22:31<tjfontaine>I do not!
22:32<@Perihelion>You DARE to sully our good channel?!
22:32<Napta>I thought the gigolo conversation did that
22:32<Peng>And linbot is more of a slave than an employee...
22:32*Perihelion abuses linbot
22:32<Peng>(And also not opped at hte moment!)
22:32<@Perihelion>Yeah dangerous things happen then
22:32<amitz>Peng: slave that talks too much.
22:32<Eman>the proper action is to scream abuse at tjfontaine
22:33<linbot>Peng: *click*
22:33<amitz>fiftycal thinks, weird community.
22:34<Peng>!urmom is weird
22:34<linbot>Peng: Yo momma's so dumb, she tried to exorcize the daemons from her Linode! (751:4/1) [mmuro]
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22:34<Peng>Yepp, that should cement it.
22:34<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:34<Peng>Wait, have there been any cake jokes?
22:35<fiftycal>nah! thinks vibrant and 'colorful.' I'm thinking of moving my VPSs' from 'some other provider' and am examining the responsiveness of the support communities.
22:35<amitz>fiftycal: choose your next word wisely because we will answer with as many messages as ....
22:35<amitz>too late!
22:36<Peng>fiftycal: Colorful like a poisonous frog!
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22:37*amitz hears the wind blowing.
22:37<fiftycal>I've heard nothing but good about Linode of course, and fits my needs perfectly. My support needs are very simple. I don't need help setting stuff up, just need someone there when poop hits fan. Right now one of my VPS' is down, and the provider is not contactable. Not a frequent occurance with them, but it has caused me to explore some of the other reasons I started testing some of the other VPS's.
22:38<Napta>fiftycal: What are your needs/
22:39<amitz>Napta: urmom is one of them ;-)
22:39<Napta>fiftycal: Certain concerns about downtime can easily be mitigated with redundant architectures, which Linode enables. Addressing some of those concerns
22:39<Napta>amitz: he will have to take a number :)
22:40<amitz>Napta: after checking her up, I gladly give up my number for anybody. :-p
22:40<fiftycal>BSD or Linux VPS, root access, resizable slices on the fly, backups (no backups? really? not a huge problem... rsync)
22:40<@tasaro>fiftycal: as far as our side of things, we usually know about (and notify you) if there is a problem before you know about it
22:40<Napta>amitz: My mom has EC2 style billing ;)
22:40<Napta>I'm an awful son
22:41<tjfontaine>NODES not slices
22:41<Peng>fiftycal: What do you mean by "resizable ... on the fly"? You can do it through the manager, but it does take a migration, so there are like 10-15 minutes of downtime.
22:41<amitz>Napta: who manage to become a good businessman! :-p
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22:41<Napta>So we're saying that Amazon are internet pimps, charging by the hour
22:42<Napta>laugh, or they may sue me!
22:42<fiftycal>more on the wishlist ...decent community, docs on common setups, control panel that doesn't hurt my eyes... API access is a big plus that I hadn't considered before
22:42<@Perihelion>Which linode has all of :D
22:42<fiftycal>Peng: exactly that... I expect the 15 minutes rebuilding time
22:42<@Perihelion>That too
22:43<Napta>On the API... I looked at the python bindings and just shook my head.
22:43<tjfontaine>Napta: why?
22:43<Napta>They seem completely overengineered and over complex, to me
22:43<Peng>fiftycal: The documentation part is ncie, but not really necessary. Linodes are mostly normal Linux boxes, so you can use third-part docs.
22:43<Napta>tjfontaine: I only have a basic understanding of python :)
22:43<Peng>Ew, two typos.
22:43<tjfontaine>Napta: why do they seem too complex?
22:44<tjfontaine>only in the source viewing portion?
22:44<Napta>one sec, I will revisit the site
22:44<Napta>tjfontaine: are you the author? :D
22:44<tjfontaine>yes'm :)
22:44<Napta>...did the site update recently? :o
22:44<fiftycal>Peng.. well.. there are some weird cases with VPS's and docs usually cover that. I'm sure you have new users always trying to do certain things, and then wondering why it won't work on the VPS when it works on a linux box with equivalent resources.
22:44<tjfontaine>Napta: I did a refresh for the stackscript additions, but nothing terribly new
22:45<tjfontaine>the stuff is always a moving target
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22:45<fiftycal>or people not realizing memory situations occur in VPS' when they never hit a memory limit before on their dev box
22:45<Napta>tjfontaine: I thought that the provided API examples were quite complicated. But now that I have revisted the site they look simpler than I first thought
22:45<fiftycal>hmm... why no slices bigger than 2GB?
22:46<Battousai>you'll have to ask slicehost that
22:46<@caker>fiftycal: plenty of larger Linodes
22:46<fiftycal>Battousai: ah touche
22:46<Controller>i thought they went up to 14gb?
22:46<Controller>er, 2.8
22:46<Peng>Controller: But the larger slices aren't shown on the homepage.
22:46<tjfontaine>Napta: the only differences on reflect the small changes from APIv1 to v2
22:46<Peng>Oh god, now I said slices.
22:46<@caker>Controller: <-- Linode 14400
22:46<Controller>ah I see
22:47<Peng>I'M SORRY
22:47<Napta>tjfontaine: hrm. Well I do apologise for my remarks about your bindings, sir! I'm going to have another play with them at some point this week, maybe
22:47<Controller>so yeah, 14gb
22:47<tjfontaine>/kill Peng
22:47<tjfontaine>Napta: :)
22:47<tjfontaine>Napta: lemme know if you find any issues or have difficulty
22:47<Napta>will do, thanks!
22:47<Battousai>stop taunting the tj. he will /akill us all again.
22:47<Peng>I think I meant to write "sizes", but I'm a little sleepy.
22:47<tjfontaine>Napta: they're also "future proof" if linode adds a new api call you can call it on the api object and it'll try and do the RightThing(tm)
22:48<Controller>here's a trick question, if i put a linode on a year plan with a 10% discount, and then I resize it larger, do I still keep the 10% discount
22:48<Napta>tjfontaine: that sounds pretty nifty
22:48<@caker>Controller: yup
22:48<@tasaro>yes, and the difference is prorated
22:48<Controller>good to know
22:48<fiftycal>Peng: ha ha
22:49<CompWizrd>if one were to change from yearly to two-year, how does that work?
22:50<@caker>CompWizrd: we can do it either way - make up the difference and keep anniversary the same, or renew a year out from when you changed terms
22:50<Eman>my linode boots when rsync'd to another uml host... should be good for xen migration
22:50<@caker>or I guess .. two years out
22:50<CompWizrd>neat.. i'll keep it in mind when my yearly runs out in awhile
22:51<amitz>I want to move my london to fremont but I don't need to transfer anything. Perhaps there is another option other than migration (to save linode's bandwidth, besides shrinking fs)?
22:51<tjfontaine>caker: please stop making your company name showing up in my google queries, when I'm trying to search for more k-cups I shouldn't be searching for linode k-cups :)
22:51<amitz>meaning I don't need the old image.
22:51<@caker>amitz: delete linode, add a new one?
22:52<amitz>caker: ah.. I don't know that I can... let me try.
22:54<amitz>hmm.. discount option.. :-p
22:56<fiftycal>back in a few
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22:59<amitz>caker: wait, how the autorenew works? If I order a year, will the auto renew be another year?
22:59<amitz>or another month?
22:59<mdcollins>id think another year.
22:59<@caker>it renews another year
22:59<amitz>got it
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23:01<amitz>caker: will you be penalized if I try to charge but my limit is not enough? I don't know the eventual charge since currency exchange rate varied and I'm realy close. :-p
23:01<mdcollins>just wondering, do you guys use the xend domain manager on linode?
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23:07*amitz hears the wind blowing.. :-p
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23:07<amitz>now that I think about it, perhaps it's a question they shouldn't answer.
23:10<G>amitz: can't you pay the card a little early to free it up?
23:13<amitz>G: I suppose I can but I tried anyway since the buffer seems to be large enough and it's a success :-D
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23:15<amitz>G: I miscalculated before, I thought it's 10*19.95 instead of 12*19.95 :-p.
23:15<amitz>s/before/and didn't expect it will be close/
23:18<Controller>anyone use for registrar?
23:18<Controller>every time i look at godaddy i want to stab my eyes out
23:18<amitz>Controller: I do, expensive but... nothing bad so far.
23:18*mdcollins hates godaddy
23:19<Controller>how expensive? wonder what their cloud stuff is like
23:19<amitz>damn, forgot to point to a new ip address :-p
23:19<amitz>Controller: .com is 19.95 IIRC.
23:19<Controller>nice UI
23:20<amitz>Controller: haven't tried it but IIRC, there are people complaining about their response time.
23:21<amitz>for tickets.
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23:22<Controller>i might move one domain over and see if i like it
23:22<Controller>before moving the others
23:22<Controller>as a registrar
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23:22<Controller>i might try their free month, but
23:23<Controller>i already have a 1yr linnode and a rackspace instance up
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23:23<Controller>and i don't really run any websites or anything
23:23<mdcollins>has linode thought about getting into domain registration?
23:23<tjfontaine>and toaster manufacturing
23:24<Peng>I think we need a Linode IRC network.
23:24<bob2>banana shipping
23:24*Peng hides
23:24<mdcollins>well, as long as my linode is connected to my toaster, im all for it
23:24<bob2>you could call it 'oftc'
23:24<bob2>and invent it in 2003
23:24<Controller>you should compete with amazon and backblaze and offer a storage service, too. and espresso machines.
23:24<amitz>Controller: they held one of my domain when at "hanging" period and the cost to take it back is somewhat either US$19.95 or US$199.95. Don't know if there was a mistyped or not. I sent email for clarification, they haven't replied.
23:24<amitz>but they eventually let the domain expired anyway.
23:25<Controller>thats not a good sign
23:25<amitz>that's what I thought too but then again the general review about gandi is ok. Just the response time... or lack of any response :-p
23:26<Peng>Maybe it's better if you speak...French, is it?
23:26<amitz>Peng: I suspect that to be true...
23:26<Controller>Peng yeah you can tell from the blog they're not native english
23:28<Peng>Yeah, French.
23:37<amitz>oh, btw, the domain you search on their website will not magically owned by them, at least as far as my experience goes.
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23:41<Controller>whats the linbot token for information about backup
23:41<linbot>Backups are in free beta in certain DCs (including newark). See for details.
23:41<Controller>in beta a year ago
23:41<bd_>Yeah, last I heard they were completely redoing it :)
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23:44*amitz is still mulling over grabbing the available domain or wait for the one...
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23:57<amitz>say, if you're told the phrase "amitzsekali", can you spell it back without much difficulty?
23:58<Nivex>linbot: spellit amitzsekali
23:58<linbot>Nivex: ay em eye tee zee ess ee kay ay ell eye
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23:59*amitz smacks Nivex and linbot
23:59<amitz>I'm serious :-)
23:59<Nivex>I couldn't find the function I wanted
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