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---Logopened Fri Feb 26 00:00:34 2010
00:01<rocket>anyone can help?
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00:04<mdcollins>rocket, i dont know exactly the issue, but i would suggest checking error logs when it does happen
00:05<mdcollins>also check your memory usage.. that can cause weird issues
00:06<rocket>which error logs?
00:06*caker checks the weather
00:06<mdcollins>nginx log files if you have em
00:06*caker sadface
00:07<mdcollins>let me guess, rain?
00:07<mdcollins>oy, thats right.. the east coast
00:07<mdcollins>we are destined for lots of rain this weekend
00:07*mdcollins is on the west coast
00:08<stefanie>caker: Think how I feel.
00:08<mdcollins>I wish we could get snow here.
00:08<mdcollins>Id like the change from just rain every now and then.
00:09<jcdang>snow sucks
00:10<cyberanger>send it south a bit, I miss it
00:10<jcdang>in the rain at least your car gets washed
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00:10<jcdang>has anyone tried out mariaDB?
00:11<mdcollins>From a usability standpoint, on a webpage should a sidebar be on the left side or right side if it may not be there all the time
00:12<Peng>Google uses both, so that doesn't help.
00:12<jcdang>yahoo and live to left
00:12<MTecknology>anyone else really get annoyed with how some communities support their projects?
00:12<Peng>MTecknology: In what way?
00:13<Talman>Ok. this is insane.
00:13<MTecknology>Peng: instead of offering help for a detailed question giving a link to google or a top level wiki page, then claim you aren't looking at all, or jsut keep spamming you for talking to somebody else thatis helping
00:14<MTecknology>Peng: I don't mean here at all - just venting
00:14<Talman>SUicide Linux. the sh command prompt, instead of returning syntax error, file not found, or help... executes rm -rf /
00:14<Talman>MTecknology, are you on Freenode?
00:14<MTecknology>Talman: ya
00:15<Talman>Which channel? :)
00:15<Peng>MTecknology: What do you mean by the "spamming" part?
00:15<MTecknology>Talman: this isn't the first time - but it's over (i brought staff in there)
00:16<Talman>Heh, on some channels, staff would tell you to fuck off, your problem isn't important, or you're a fucking tool for not googling. :)
00:16<Talman>Peng, probably the idea that you're making the screen scroll for something that nobody gives a shit about. :)
00:16<Peng>I _think_ all of those things, but I don't say them out loud. :)
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00:17<Talman>You want fun? Go into #Debian and mention that #UBuntu sent you.
00:17<jcdang>i think that works for community projects too
00:17<MTecknology>Talman: :P - the debian channel on freenode is a joke
00:18<Peng>s/the debian channel on// ;-D
00:18<encode>i have a better idea for some fun
00:18*Peng hides
00:18<Talman>They did that to me once.
00:18<encode>go into #debian and ask how to uninstall linux so you can install windows
00:18<Talman>Cause it was an upstream problem.
00:18<MTecknology>Peng: I was trying to be nice
00:19<MTecknology>jcdang: i love that
00:19<Talman>After someone was like, "WTF OMG UBUNTU?!" I had to point out it was a fucking debian maintained file.
00:19<Talman>It is pretty true. The more you bitch, the more help you get. Make it a fight and they'll help.
00:19<Peng>On a completely different subject, my Internet connection is laggy. Blaah.
00:19<encode>Peng: are you expecting us to help you with that?
00:19<MTecknology>Talman: or try to be the louder person
00:19<Peng>encode: No, I'm whining! :)
00:20<Talman>MTecknology, that's the #Gentoo approach.
00:20<MTecknology>anyway - any of you know anything abotu nginx?
00:20<MTecknology>Talman: i kinda like the gentoo folks; usually
00:20<Talman>My box wasn't l33t enough to get help.
00:20*jtsage actually made a tech support phone call to cybersource today (the people, among other services). i was astounded - they didn't suck. got me what i needed, in under 10min, with no hassle. i'm still a little shocked
00:20<Talman>Who the hell cared about some 845 chipset?
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00:21<jcdang>i started using nginx this week
00:21<jcdang>seems pretty easy
00:21<MTecknology>jcdang: I'm trying to use it with drupal
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00:22<MTecknology>[snip] My configs - -; if I go to the page '' it's jsut white. if I go to '' I get the system letting me download an empty file. I don't know what's wrong here and nothing is showing in the error logs.
00:22<MTecknology>that's my question
00:22<MTecknology>the answer "MTecknology:"
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00:23<mdcollins>Okay to clarify my question, I mean this: vs between different pages, or should the sidebar go on the left to avoid the shifting content
00:24<jcdang>you started fcgi for php already right
00:25<jtsage>mdcollins- i typically like navigation on the left. i usually ignore the right sidebar as it is often advertising
00:25<mdcollins>I agree, but if some of the pages dont have the side bar and some do, would that be annoying?
00:25<Talman>Communal Service Agency.
00:26<MTecknology>jcdang: ya, I followed this -0
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00:26<Talman>No, its not annoying.
00:26<Talman>Unless that's missing needed functionality, mdcollins.
00:26<jtsage>mdcollins- am I correct in assuming it is basically sub-navigation? no, it wouldn't bother me really. on the other hand, your menu tabs are to the right, so I might actually see a sidebar over there
00:27<MTecknology>mdcollins: I usually ignore on the right too; that's why I'm not a fan of the nginx site :P
00:27<MTecknology>but it's russian so.... :P
00:27<jcdang>mtech: that init.d php script looks pretty weak sauce
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00:27<mdcollins>Ah, cause there might only be a few times that id need the sidebar. otherwise it'd be duping the top navigation
00:27<MTecknology>jcdang: I'd love some help fixing it :D
00:28<jcdang>thats the one i took
00:29<Talman>Um, anyone think this is real?
00:29<jasper>anybody here who can help me with this?
00:29<jasper>has exceeded the notification threshold (1000) for disk io rate by averaging 5843.87 for the last 2 hours.
00:29<jasper>got this message - dont really know anything
00:30<linbot>New news from forums: Optimal Python/Django deployment setup for Linode 360 in General Discussion <>
00:30<jasper>and there's nobody up to help right now
00:30<MTecknology>jcdang: thanks
00:30<jcdang>one more thing mtech
00:30<Talman>There's quite a few people awake, but none of them actually work for linode. :)
00:30<jcdang>make sure you edit the USER= and GROUP=
00:30<Talman>Unless caker is a machine.
00:30<ohkus>jasper: have you found what is writing to disk
00:30<jcdang>to whatever you wanted to use
00:30<jasper>ha - i mean any of my programmer people
00:30<jasper>we launched new version of our site today
00:31<ohkus>is your website traffic up?
00:31<jasper>and they forgot to tell me that i should increase the linode size
00:31<Talman>jasper, ah. That's the Linode Package Manager telling you that there's a lot of disk IO on your linode.
00:31<jasper>i just have no idea what to increas to
00:31<MTecknology>jcdang: ok, thansk
00:31<Talman>Is your website slow or failing?
00:31<ohkus>jasper: have you thought about using a CDN to offload content?
00:31<MTecknology>jcdang: do you think that would break what I'm doing?
00:31<jasper>i think its ok for now
00:31<jasper>but in linode it does say im totally maxed out on storage
00:32<ohkus>it'll speed up your users loading times and help you keep hardware costs low
00:32<Talman>You're out of disk space?
00:32<jcdang>if it doesnt work
00:32<jcdang>kill and delete
00:32<mdcollins>Talman, i think he means hes allocated all the space toward an image or more
00:32<Talman>mdcollins, probably.
00:32<Talman>jasper, are you the guy who pays the bill and doesn't fuck with the linodes?
00:33<ohkus>jasper: if you're on the linode can you type df -h
00:33<jasper>i just want to know what to increase to
00:33<ohkus>ooo....don't touch anything....where is your admin?
00:33<ohkus>wake him?
00:34<jasper>dont have cell phone
00:34<Talman>jasper, if you site is running normally till business hours, and your admin is a commercial provider or bills you for work...
00:34<ohkus> aren't technical so I'm not sure there is much we can do to help you
00:34<Talman>Don't touch him. Calling me at 11:33 PM costs 110 dollars an hour, for example. And I'm cheap.
00:34<ohkus>Talman: ya you were *wink*
00:35<Talman>ohkus, yet your linode works now. :)
00:35<jasper>shouldnt i just be able to resize this thing and be done with it?
00:35<ohkus> linode...sure you helped me with that too *nudge* *nudge*
00:35<mdcollins>resizing though will cause downtime..
00:35<Talman>Resize it to what?
00:36<ohkus>jasper: it doesn't matter you have an IO rate limit notification can just set that notification higher....and you may not be out of disk
00:36<Talman>ohkus, man I hope you're a girl. :)
00:36<jasper>well its allocating a relatively small amount right now because the site wasnt live yet
00:36<ohkus>there are ways to decrease IO without having to resize your linode
00:36<jasper>and they forgot to resize at launch
00:36<jasper>i see
00:36<mdcollins>Is anything running slow? or did you just get that notification?
00:36<ohkus>this is just a notification linode is sending you
00:36<jasper>storage summary looks like this
00:37<jasper># Total: 32768 Megabytes # Used: 32768 Megabytes # Free: 0 Megabytes
00:37<ohkus>it doesn't mean you are breaking anything
00:37<ohkus>thats from your panel
00:37<ohkus>not from your linode
00:37<ohkus>you can have a ton of free space
00:37<Talman>jasper, I'm 'out of space' too.
00:37<Talman>That's just how much space is assigned to your linode.
00:37<Talman>That's all.
00:37<ohkus>that just lets you know how much is allocated to your linode
00:37<jasper>ok screw it then
00:37<mdcollins>jasper, all the space thats given by linode has been allocated
00:37<Talman>You really need to be in shell and type df -h to know how much.
00:38<ohkus>feel free to upgrade though...caker was looking at "Exotic Cakes" magazine earlier...he could use the $$
00:38<jasper>if the transfer % is ok, then everything else should be ok yeah?
00:38<ohkus>jasper: until your admin wakes, yes
00:38<ohkus>let him figure it out or hire someone temporarily to advise you
00:38<jasper>ok cool thanks
00:39<ohkus>if thise site is a big money website then you might want to think about having a backup admin for situations like this
00:39<mdcollins>Btw, what is a good io ops/sec to set it to?
00:40<rocket>anyone know the difference between php5-cgi and php-fpm?
00:40<jasper>no big $ or i would have taken up Talman
00:40<ohkus>mdcollins: I pick a number so I don't get bothered....when my backups go on it always kicked off an alert because for those 30 mins I was using high IO but the rest of the time I wasn't
00:41<ohkus>when every mysql db and every user directory website gets backed up and pushed offsite it tends to use a lot of IO
00:41<mdcollins>wouldnt you want to judge by performance of the services, not the io ops/sec?
00:41<ohkus>jasper: then wait....if you are getting high traffic sites talk to your admin about using a cdn
00:42<Talman>jasper, how many people visit your website in a day?
00:42<mdcollins>rocket, is what you are looking for. it lists the differences
00:42<ohkus>mdcollins: the IO/s is a notification sent by the linode panel by is just a warning message, they also have transfer notifications
00:42<Talman>Or are you the guy who got on mashable?
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00:44<ohkus>he is apparently happy and he knows it
00:44<mdcollins>and wanted everyone else to know it too
00:44<happy>dispite what everyone tries
00:45<ohkus>hello happy....I'm guessing that groucy touched your linode and broke it while sleepy is no where to be found to fix it?
00:45<jtsage>sleepy is a lazy bastard....
00:46<jcdang>anyone work with a client who had someone on the QA team enter over 1k entries through a web interface
00:46<ohkus>he isn't sleepy....he just likes his sleepy juice...a Long Island with a shot of you blame him?
00:46<jasper>talman - im like 6K a day nothing crazy
00:47<ohkus>jcdang: what kind of entries
00:47<jcdang>data entry for fake users
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00:48<jcdang>several fields per user
00:48<ohkus>I'm not sure what you are getting at or have issues with
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00:48<ohkus>sure...there are issues with clients all the time
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00:48<jcdang>lol i just thought it was hilarious someone was doing ot manually
00:49<Talman>jcdang, are you sure it was manual?
00:49<jcdang>yes lol
00:49<Talman>Someone could of used an automation script.
00:49<Talman>Otherwise, ow.
00:49<jcdang>so thats what my team is doing now
00:49<jcdang>they had one of the project managers
00:50<jcdang>manually entering data
00:50<ohkus>jcdang: to let you know....someone created a website that they claimed was backed by AI...then paid a ton of english speaking foreigners to type responses to people who used the site....
00:50<ohkus>seems like a pretty good idea to me
00:50<happy>gold farmers
00:50<ohkus>pay $.01 an entry on amazon mechinal turk...done
00:51<linbot>New news from forums: SMTP works only inside the box in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
00:51<jcdang>hah thats not a bad idea
00:51<ohkus>or pay some guy $80/hr to script it for you
00:51<ohkus>which makes more sense
00:51<jcdang>but this was one guy entering data
00:51<happy>one penny?
00:51<jcdang>and we do QA every 2 weeks
00:51<jcdang>scrum agile development
00:51<ohkus>just saying...using manual labor is not always stupid
00:56<happy>i have ssh punched through my firewall, but the url ssh:// will not work?
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00:59<ohkus>if you think about it....Talman charges $130/hr...lets say $120/hr just to make it easy....lets say $2/ that minute lets say he can do 15 entries....thats only $.13 per entry and he is a professional
00:59<Talman>Keep in mind, I only charge 110 an hour for emergency work.
01:00<Talman>You could pay Amazon Turk or whatever to do it cheaper, I bet.
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01:01<jcdang>that would put you out of business though
01:01<linbot>New news from forums: Postfix/mysql forward and deliver in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
01:01<Talman>Well, keep in mind, there's no way in hell I'd take a contract like that, or if I did, it'd be farmed out.
01:02<Talman>Time intensive stuff like that... If I can't automate it, then I've just effectively screwed my workload.
01:04<jtsage>Talman- sadly, i often *do* take work like that. any chance I can hire you to stand over me with a rolled up newspaper and "encourage" me to cut it out?
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01:04<happy>ah, i figured it out
01:04<Talman>>> maybe.
01:04<RobertMeta>per hour charges are exhausting, who really wants to track stuff at the hour level.
01:04<RobertMeta>and do many developers work 8 hours a day?
01:05<happy>i work 3
01:05<Talman>Support is hourly.
01:05<Talman>Most of my stuff is by project.
01:05<RobertMeta>ugh, FFP is EVIL
01:05<jcdang>im a salary based dev consultant
01:05<jcdang>ususally work more than eight
01:05<RobertMeta>jcdang, me too, which is why I cost in days.
01:06<RobertMeta>A day generally being 6-12 hours
01:06<jcdang>oh i have a question for you
01:06<happy>uhm ok... uhm.. yea.. uhm if you work salary i'm going to have to uhmm ... ask you to work on the weekends uhmm ok....
01:06<jcdang>happy: thats not even a joke for me anymore
01:07<Talman>The idea of days interests me.
01:07<RobertMeta>Talman, I won't work "projects" because clients don't know what they want, so proper scoping is impossible, hence everyone ends up unhappy.
01:07<happy>it is went they make a movie out of it =)
01:07<RobertMeta>Talman, I am $1000 a day, which is between 80 to 150 -- depending on how many hours I work
01:07<Talman>Oh. We're required to bill by project, set out what the project is beforehand, and bill anything that isn't the project as a seperate thing.
01:07<RobertMeta>makes it easy to bill, easy to block out clients
01:08<Talman>Like, 'a website' could be 750.
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01:08<Talman>It may take 3 weeks to make the website, depending on what insanity they want on it.
01:08<Talman>But its 750.
01:08<RobertMeta>Talman, I am self-imployed.
01:08<Talman>Ah. I'm not.
01:08<RobertMeta>and, that is why FFP is evil.
01:08<RobertMeta>s/employed even
01:08<happy>what do you do RobertMeta? web design?
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01:09<Talman>For a thousand a day, I'm guessing not.
01:09<Talman>I'd say programming.
01:09<jcdang>something niche too me thinks
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01:11<jcdang>i work for a large consulting company
01:11<jcdang>im thinking about quitting
01:12<jcdang>they put me on failing projects and switch me out when everything is fixed with indian replacements
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01:12<Talman>Heh. THen it goes south again?
01:12<Talman>I got one guy, did a website for him. Project is done, long done.
01:13<Talman>He had a month of free support. He knew going in that he would have to make content himself, etc.
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01:13<Talman>Paid for a year's hosting. Now his 'ad agency' wants to move the site to their servers, etc, so they can 'edit it.' Its Joomla. He has admin access. I'm going to laugh when they call up and go, "What kind of website is this?"
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01:15<jcdang>you enjoy your job?
01:16<dhoss>we don't take kindly to your kind
01:17<jcdang>what kind is that
01:17<Talman>I enjoy certain clients.
01:17<Talman>Other clients, I am glad when their service contracts are up. They just need to stop calling me.
01:19<happy>joomla is fun to use?
01:20<Talman>It can be.
01:21<happy>ah, PHP
01:21<happy>do you do a lot of coding yourself or is it mostly plugins?
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01:24<Talman>Mostly plugins, then some custom programming if needed.
01:24<happy>sounds cool, so much stuff to learn
01:25<happy>750 for 3 weeks of work is not that much, you must do more than one a time?
01:26<JoeK>any flash coder
01:26<JoeK>reworded: i need a 50$ flash job done :P
01:27<Talman>And, depending on the site, it can take as little as a week.
01:27<happy>design is the longest
01:27<happy>i can code in hours/days
01:27<happy>playing with looks can take days
01:28<happy>but i know a lot of IE 6 now =)
01:29<jcdang>deprecated :)
01:29<happy>not when you volunteer to make a website to help minorities with government programs
01:29<happy>i assumed the gov all had ie 5.5
01:30<Talman>We have a lot of sites for police organizations.
01:31<Talman>Our sites have been used as a bargining point. We dont' support IE 6, and no agency in our area is officially supposed to be using it.
01:31<Talman>So, if you go to one in IE 6, it warns you not to browse via IE 6.
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01:44<Zeryl>Hey all, anyone using Cherokee with PHP on Ubuntu 9.10? I'm having qutie a rough time here. phpinfo works, but anything more "robust" (i.e. simple machine forums), fails, no errors at all
01:45<greggypoo>my linode on freemont100 just went awol in a weird way
01:45<greggypoo>and uh just came back :)
01:45<greggypoo>i'll chalk it up to network maintenance
01:45<greggypoo>didn't expect it to keep answering pings while sending tcp to a blackhole
01:46<jtsage>greggypoo- don't feed the mogwai after midnight...
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01:51<keyvan>so i ruined something on my php forums...
01:51<keyvan>as i was installing passenger, my forum got screwed up… and its sending the php files to the browser
01:51<Zeryl>check the error logs
01:51<Zeryl>typically what it is for me at least
01:52<mdcollins>ugh, i feel dirty now.. i just installed itunes. damn ipod.
01:53<keyvan>might be this: unable to check htaccess file
01:53<keyvan>but im not sure what needs to be in my htaccess file
01:53<keyvan>for SMF forums
01:53<Zeryl>is it readable by the web server user?
01:53<keyvan>suspected that as being the issue, since i just moved from Godaddy (and godaddy deployed SMF.. wouldnt let me do it manually)
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01:54<keyvan>the .htaccess file? no, thats been disabled in the apache conf
01:54<Zeryl>at least your SMF is doing something, heh. Just switched to linode, trying to use Cherokee, and I can't get anything from my forums
01:54<Zeryl>were you running any "pretty-url" type mods, SEO friendly, etc
01:54<keyvan>Zeryl: its weird because it was actually working before i tried installing passenger
01:54<mdcollins>so is it offering to download the .php file or is it just diplaying the contents of the php file?
01:54<keyvan>zeryl: nope
01:54<keyvan>mdcollins: download, not contents
01:55<mdcollins>keyvan, apache?
01:55<mdcollins>did you change the httpd.conf in any way?
01:55<@Perihelion>greggypoo: No network issues on our end...:<
01:55<keyvan>no, but i did modify the apache2.conf to add the passenger modules
01:56<keyvan>im adding a .htaccess file with this in it now: addtype application/x-httpd-php .html .php .htm
01:56<keyvan>gonna test it
01:56<keyvan>nope, its weird, some php scrips will execute
01:56<keyvan>others will download
01:57<keyvan>really screwed things up lol
01:58<greggypoo>still puzzled, as i could ssh into the console as well as ping it. but 2 minutes of downtime...a mystery i can live with. thanks. ttyl.
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01:58<Peng>1.) Running HTML through PHP? Eww. 2.) IIRC AddType will work, possibly depending on how you're doing PHP, but it's an abuse and you should use...AddHandler or somesuch.
01:58<Talman>Lest people forget how to test their network connectivity.
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01:59<mdcollins>keyvan, is it certain names (like index.php) or certain directories that get downloaded or is it everything?
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02:00<keyvan>addhandler wont work either
02:00<keyvan>mdcollins: its index.php, certain actions will download it, others will not…. very very odd
02:00<keyvan>and my download folder is getting filled with copies of index.php lol
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02:18<jcdang>oh if anyone was having the same problem as me with the sudo thing in centos
02:19<jcdang>i fixed this by downloading the source and compiling/installing manually
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02:33<happy>what source?
02:33<happy>sudo ?
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02:34<Zeryl>I think my php-cgi is completely broken. Tried lighttpd, cherokee, and nginx, and I can't get anything more than phpinfo to run.... I am completely lost, and have 0 log/error files for it
02:34<happy>you tried all those server and they all did the same thing?
02:35<Zeryl>yep, every single one of them. a file w/ phpinfo(); in it runs just fine, but trying to use forums, or even a small script which connects to a db, and prints some results yields a blank white page, and no error message
02:36<happy>i'm sorry i have never played with php-cgi
02:36<happy>if you switch over to mod_rails =)
02:36<Zeryl>hehe, if I knew any ruby, I would
02:37<happy>i don't no much ruby at all... but i know other languages =P
02:38<happy>so i pick up ruby as i go
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02:40<Zeryl>i really don't want to go back to apache :(
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02:43<happy>i really wish i could help you, i plan on doing php in the near future
02:44<jcdang>zeryl make sure you have yout php-cgi running as the correct user
02:45<Zeryl>it was, the thing that didn't make sense is it worked for phpinfo, but not much else, would not running as the right user even let me do phpinfo?
02:45<jcdang>well phpinfo may have had different permissions on it
02:46<happy>reboot your server lol
02:46<Zeryl>the whole web directory and all subdirectories were set to www-data and a+r
02:46<happy>if you reboot your server that will give me 9.7 seconds to run as far away from you as i can
02:47<jcdang>and there was nothing in /var/log/nginx/error.log ?
02:47<Zeryl>nope, nothing at all
02:48<MaZ->blank white page means its dying
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02:48<MaZ->you probably have error_reporting turned off
02:48<MaZ->which is p. common on forum software and such to stop it printing db errors and such to output
02:49<MaZ->i would bet that you're missing a php module or something like that
02:49<MaZ->but shit it could be anything, you need to turn error reporting on in php to find out what it is
02:50<Zeryl>you're right....
02:50<Zeryl>Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/ on line 3
02:50<Zeryl>i've wasted a good 4 hours on this..... if i had just tried something BASIC
02:51<Zeryl>yes, mysql is installed
02:51<Zeryl>but i guess not with php....
02:51<@Perihelion>is php-mysql installed?
02:51<Zeryl>now it is...
02:51<happy>nice i love it when a irce room comes together, i just keep spamming untill it does =)
02:52<keyvan>SPAM SPAM SPAM
02:52<Zeryl>oh, look, everything is working..... son of a......
02:52<@Perihelion>That's both :) and :(
02:52<Zeryl>thank you maz...... i can't believe i looked over that for so long
02:52<MaZ->well at least it wasnt the other thing
02:52<Zeryl>now let's see if I can get cherokee working....
02:52<MaZ->if its not error reporting being turned off and something trivial broken, its php segfaulting
02:52<MaZ->but at least then you have logs
02:52<MaZ->and np
02:52<happy>see... ive been there Zeryl, no error logs, means back to bsics =P
02:53<MaZ->but hey i have my own problems
02:53<MaZ->i've been trying to play borderlands for the last 8 hours
02:53<happy>too much money?
02:53<MaZ->and it wont run >:|
02:53<MaZ->steam is literally the worst
02:54<jcdang>i usually have a terminal open with tail -f /var/log/nginx/error.log
02:55<MaZ->happy: i really wish that was my issue ;)
02:55<happy>99 problems but a girl ain't one
02:56<mdcollins>gah, now its time to uninstall itunes.. i got my ipod working again.
02:57<Zeryl>i cannot believe how stupid I was.... I really feel dumb right now. It's working with cherokee now
02:58<happy>Zeryl, i thought about saying something aobut the DB but i am a noob
02:58<MaZ->trust me it happens to everyone at some point in time
02:59<MaZ->the only reason i suggested it is because i have experience of that exact issue ¬_________¬
02:59*mdcollins forgets the easy things first.
02:59<mdcollins>thats where i usually have an issue
03:00<happy>i'm new to linux servers... i spent 4 hours myself playing with permissions and pids and shared index files from search engines =P
03:00<happy>google is my friend
03:00<mdcollins>i concur
03:00<happy>now i have sphinx
03:01*mdcollins is on an uninstallation binge
03:01<happy>still have to learn how to start it after reboot, i can do it but i need to learn best practices
03:02<happy>init.d and rc2 and other stuff, starts as root =P
03:02<Zeryl>ok, time to go to bed, thank you again!!
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03:12<linbot>New news from forums: Apache 2.2 mod rewrite issue in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
03:22<goose>how do you underline *and* bold on wiki markup? I've tired " '''+Text+''' " and " ''' +text+ ''' " and both of them only bold with plus signs on both sides :/
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03:24<metaperl>goose: depends on the wiki...
03:24<metaperl>both underline and bold
03:24<metaperl>maybe it accepts HTML also
03:25<goose>good idea
03:28<goose>that worked. thanks for the idea.
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03:31<MonkeyIsland>isn't 'df -h' instant? I just deleted 2 gb file, but it is still give me same result.
03:32<MonkeyIsland>ubuntu btw
03:36*mdcollins tests it
03:37<goose>MonkeyIsland: how did you delete it?
03:37<goose>move it to your trash, or rm -rf?
03:38<MonkeyIsland>only rm: 'rm fileName'
03:39<MonkeyIsland>forgot to put -rf
03:39<MonkeyIsland>is it in trash?
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03:46<mdcollins>it should show right away as gone.
03:47<mdcollins>i dont know of any trash on the command line..
03:47<Peng>MonkeyIsland: Most likely a process still has the file open, or there was another hardlink to it, so the inode still exists.
03:47<Peng>Passing -rf is not necessary.
03:47<Peng>(for this use case, anyway)
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03:48<MonkeyIsland>the file was nginx log file. I deleted it so that it starts over.
03:48<MonkeyIsland>nginx is running in the same time, that makes sense. but when shoild I expect seeing the right disk space?
03:53<MonkeyIsland>yea nginx had it. Restarting it solved the problem :)
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03:58<chesty>you should set up log rotate properly
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03:59<chesty>btw, setup, how do you use that correctly in a sentence? english fails me
04:05<Sue-sama>you got it right
04:07<chesty>but i didn't use setup
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04:40<SelfishMan>chesty: "You should be setuping log rotate"
04:41<linbot>double pits to chesty, he nailed it
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04:52<dassouki>morning all
04:56<metaperl>good morning dassouki
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05:06<Tom0>Anyone setup Postfix before? as I followed this guide but was advised that its not best to use a database for the virtual users
05:08<Tom0>and use useraccounts instead,if that makes sense
05:20<SelfishMan>who told you that?
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05:26<SelfishMan>Tom0: who told you that?
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05:30<Tom0>well i have a setup that doesnt working with virtual users
05:30<Tom0>nad i wanted to know whats he best way
05:30<Tom0>as all the guides now advise virtual users
05:30<Tom0>and about 2 years ago when i setup my current setup i doesnt use virtual users
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05:37<SelfishMan>well, I don't know about you but I don't want my 80K email accounts to be system accounts
05:37<SelfishMan>there is no reason that one is better than the other
05:37<SelfishMan>and there is no reason your setup shouldn't be able to work with virtual users
05:37<Tom0>I see
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05:38<Tom0>well its only got 2 users
05:38<Tom0>its for personal use
05:38<Tom0>so its no less secure or anything
05:38<Tom0>as i cant even find a guide to see how i set it up last time
05:38<SelfishMan>well, the security is something else completely
05:38<SelfishMan>as far as I know you could have your mysql server listening on with a root password of 'root'
05:39<Tom0>ha! ok i see
05:39<Tom0>and if its not?
05:39<SelfishMan>assuming you are doing things right there shouldn't be any security difference at that level
05:39<tingaling>hi guys
05:40<Tom0>obviouly i guess if the DB fails then i wont get the emails where with my old setup i just wont be able to login to webmail accounts
05:40<Tom0>as the users arnt virtual on the old setup
05:40<SelfishMan>just be sure to use 'proxy:mysql' instead of just 'mysql' for the definitions
05:40<SelfishMan>proxy will use a single DB connection instead of a new connection for every request
05:41<Tom0>so say localhost?
05:41<Tom0>so it can only b access internally?
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06:07<Chops>Hi, I just have a quick question about data limits, is transfer between two VPS in the same geographical location measured?
06:08<TinyAmitz>no if you use private ip
06:10<TinyAmitz>Geo loc = same dc.
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06:33<anon6995>Is anyone elses linode running really slow? (I'm on the London serves)
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06:39<TinyAmitz>are you oom-ing. What host are you in?
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06:42<jcy>hey amitz
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06:48<jcy>out of mem
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06:55<SelfishMan>array: ping
07:06<jcy>isn't it like midnight in australia now
07:06<A-KO>I don't feel like going to work today, hmmmm
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07:07<spkitty>jcy: the latest it is in australia is 11:00pm over on the east coast
07:08<SelfishMan>he seemed like the best target for a middle of the night/early morning request
07:10<jcy>i had to finish up a webex for aus/jap/chn at around 11pm, which i thought was in the afternoon for them
07:10<jcy>it's 7am here now and i can't quite get my brain to do time zones this early
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07:38<chesty>it's been dark in queensland for about 2 or 3 hours now, unless he's sleeping in, array should be up by now
07:38<@array>SelfishMan: o/
07:39<SelfishMan>ha, knew you would be around
07:39<@array>chesty: it's 10:39PM here, it's been dark for quite some time :P
07:39<SelfishMan>already resolved it by other means though but thanks anyway
07:40<@array>sure, i was afk at the time (sorry!)
07:41<SelfishMan>no worries
07:42<SelfishMan>I went down a better path instead
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07:42<chesty>path: that true?
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08:48<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
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09:03<mangos>so i just installed phpmyadmin, tried to login with the account i installed it with (which has SUPER), but the thing still denies me..
09:03<mangos>is there any limitations im not aware of?
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09:04<thegodlikehobo>mangos: log in as a mysql user
09:05<mangos>thegodlikehobo: oh, duh
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09:11<Napta>naked and ashamed!
09:11<Yaakov>I am unashamed of my body.
09:12<Yaakov>I think this is going in a bad direction...
09:13<chesty>is this #chatroulette?
09:13<Napta>oh man, don't remind me of roulette
09:14<Napta>chesty: A former employer/contract that I had stole the concept of chatroulette and implemented it on their site as 'shuffle people'
09:14<Napta>Some intern just mentioned it one day, next thing you know (in true agile fashion) it was stolen
09:15<mangos>so I just created a new mysql superuser, tried using that on phpmyadmin, but still denied! :|
09:16<chesty>look in the mysql logs for a start
09:17<mangos>logs are empty, fresh install i assume?
09:17<mangos>oh wait
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09:18<mangos>yeah both mysql.log and mysql.err are empty
09:19<@caker>moar coar for mai blag
09:20<chesty>ok, it doesn't log by default for performance reasons
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09:20<chesty>are there any hints in the webserver logs?
09:21<mangos>let me flush and restart first, see if that does it
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09:26<Yaakov>Hello, caker. It's always nice to see you.
09:26<mangos>no phpmyadmin errors on the webserver log, restart & flush didnt work
09:27<@caker>good morning :)
09:27<erikh>software CEOs call it stealing
09:27<erikh>artists call it 'homage'
09:27<erikh>... unless that artist is affiliated with ASCAP
09:27<erikh>then, it's still stealing.
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09:31<atourino>anyone know how to find out the particular configure options used to build a particular ruby binary?
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09:32<mangos>doh, i'm an idiot, you can't login remotely through phpmyadmin if your mysql account is @localhost, can you? :o
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09:32<erikh>that's why you do this in your hosts file:
09:32<erikh>my.local.ip localhost
09:32<erikh>pro tip. really.
09:33<mangos>oh, smart
09:33<chesty>that's a bad protip
09:33<Napta>it's a bodge
09:33<erikh>that's why it's called a protip
09:33<erikh>mangos: really... don't do that. ever.
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09:33<mangos>what do i do then?
09:33<erikh>mangos: look up the grant syntax for your version of mysql
09:34<erikh>it should be pretty obvious from there.
09:34<mangos>yes i've created a mysql account with full privileges using grant
09:34<chesty>mangos: is phpmyadmin and mysql on the same box?
09:34<erikh>also, ensure that skip-networking is not in your my.cnf
09:34<Napta>(update your user to login from the public ip of your box)
09:34*atourino pro tips urmom
09:34<mangos>chesty: yes
09:34<erikh>see my last post
09:34<chesty>then localhost is right
09:34<erikh>if skip-networking is there
09:34<erikh>it doesn't even bind to a TCP port.
09:35<erikh>if it is, edit the config and restart the daemon.
09:35<linbot>New news from forums: site just ... stops in Performance and Tuning <>
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09:36<mangos>during install i did deny remote root access, but a superuser isnt considered root right?
09:36<mangos>with grant all privileges
09:37<amitz>I'm afraid in "urmom"-ing people in twitter.. :-p
09:38<linbot>chesty: Yo momma's so dumb, she runs Kubuntu64 on her 360! (733:9/2) [mmuor]
09:38<amitz>jcy: yeah?
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09:39<amitz>chesty: the people following this particular person is not exactly liberal. And he may be compelled to react due to peer pressure.
09:39<mangos>erikh: do you mean bind address?
09:40<amitz>despite him having experienced urmom joke
09:40<mangos>i'm looking over my.cnf and there's: bind-address
09:40<linbot>New news from forums: Find out configuration options used for a ruby binary in General Discussion <>
09:40<mangos>ill try commenting that out =p
09:43<chesty>don't do that, that's not the problem. it's using unix sockets to connect
09:43<mangos>well i commented it out and restarted mysql
09:43<mangos>and now it works
09:44<chesty>what does netstat -nltp | grep 3306 say
09:44<SelfishMan>hint: 'socket' directive
09:44<chesty>it says more than listen
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09:45<mangos>tcp 0 0* LISTEN -
09:45<chesty>that's bad
09:46<mangos>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 15420/mysqld
09:46<mangos>that's root
09:46<mangos>why is it bad?
09:46<SelfishMan>mangos: what is your IP?
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09:46<chesty>because it's accepting connections from the internet
09:46<nate>can you configure DNS Manager to slave from another domain?
09:46<mangos>isn't that the point of phpmyadmin?
09:47<mangos>ok, so what do you suggest that i do?
09:47<SelfishMan>mangos: you have just granted everyone and anyone access to mysql. All they need is a valid password
09:47<BeBoo> << thats a good one
09:47<chesty>mangos: what grant line did you use?
09:48<mangos>GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'monty'@'localhost'
09:48<mangos>WITH GRANT OPTION;
09:48<erikh>mangos: shut it down now
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09:50<mangos>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 15607/mysqld
09:50<mangos>there, bind address restored
09:50<mangos>so what's the correct way of doing this?
09:50<erikh>let's reaffirm your goals here
09:50<chesty>you can't log in any more?
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09:50<erikh>you want to access the phpmyadmin that's on the saem server as mysqld, right?
09:51<mangos>well thats weird, now i can login
09:51*mangos scratches head
09:51<erikh>you never flushed privileges after the grant.
09:51<mangos>erikh: yes
09:51<mangos>yes i did
09:51<mangos>twice and restarted mysql
09:51<erikh>then it was sunspots
09:51*atourino runs: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON urmom.* TO 'atourino'@*
09:51<erikh>or heisenberg rose from the dead to afflict your machine
09:52<mangos>maybe i did it wrong
09:52<mangos>FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
09:53<mangos>well doesn't matter now, it's working :o
09:54<ekes>anyone rpm/centos/redhat? Anyone know something like metche (debian package that watches /etc ../changelog etc and mails out changes) for it?
09:54<sub>urmom.* has a default policy of granting all privileges, even on the first date
09:55<randallman>am, yo
09:55<randallman>Gonna need another linode, ya ya ya
09:55<chesty>mangos: now you get to watch people hit your phpmyadmin looking for holes
09:56<mangos>chesty: i have a really random subdomain for it though, probably doesnt even matter right?
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09:56<randallman>ekes, you can use auditctl
09:58<chesty>mangos: probably not, if you want to secure it, allow access to phpmyadmin from localhost only, and use ssh tunnels
09:59<ekes>randallman: googled, yept that'll do nicely, maybe a bit more config work, unless there are some out-the-box rules I can find :) -- cheers
09:59<mangos>what if you password protect the root directory of the subdomain
09:59<mangos>can people even look for holes that way?
09:59<chesty>i think that helps secure it
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10:02<sub>It does, provided that you don't use an easily guessable password
10:05<mangos>than that settles it, i will password protect it
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10:08<Null_>there any way to allow ssh password authentication for only a select user or group, otherwise key only?
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10:12<chesty>Null_: man sshd_config, search for match
10:12<chesty>actually, Match
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10:16<Null_>chesty: hey excellent, thanks
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10:31<sub>good morning my fellow lidiots
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10:37<jkwood>I resemble that remark.
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10:49<hawk>Resemble? Resent?
10:53<MaZ->I, too, resemble that remark
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11:04<randallman>for i in 11 12; do for j in bosburn vmallipe mbrown1; do ssh -l rshutt psweblogic${i} /usr/local/bin/sudo passwd -u $j; done; done
11:04<randallman>I love users....
11:04<randallman>3 users on the same team managed to lock thier accounts at the same time :)
11:04<@caker>keepin your love locked down
11:05<randallman>No diggity.... :P
11:06*randallman creates a 'gimmie another linode' ticket :P
11:06<randallman>(Purchase Order.. whee)
11:06<@tasaro>randallman: tell them to get a credit card already ;)
11:06<randallman>I know
11:06<mwalling>tasaro: does randallman have MSAs?
11:06<randallman>Our A.P. department refuses :)
11:07<@tasaro>mwalling: don't worry, yours still remain the worst
11:07<atourino>urmom does not refuse
11:07<mwalling>tasaro: <3
11:07<mwalling>randallman: master services agreement
11:07<mwalling>randallman: 20 some pages of hell
11:07<randallman>Gotcha :)
11:07<@tasaro>randallman: i needed to RTFM in order to get paid by mwalling's company
11:07<randallman>Nice :)
11:07<@tasaro>i felt like i was paying them
11:07<randallman>yeah we do business with them as well
11:08<randallman>Im sure our AR guys get really pissy :0
11:08<randallman>But they are a huge customer of ours, so we take it :)
11:08<atourino>thats what she said
11:08<mwalling>in the ...
11:10<randallman>Tasaro, we do at least pay :)
11:11<randallman>I think we jsut trued up all 4 nodes to the same anniversary
11:11<randallman>so adding the 5th is gonna throw me off :)
11:11<@tasaro>actually it will work out
11:12<randallman>Yeah I suppose it will
11:12<randallman>since we're still in feb
11:14<randallman>Not to get you too far into my drama here, but we alraedy support CFM and, and now all of these appdevs want to start using PHP/LAMP... And we asked for 1 headcount on the web systems team to help support them... And the mgmt chain refused... So we're pushing all of these LAMPs out of our network so that 'infrastructure' is not responsible for management :) Until one of them breaks thier own systems and we can PROVE we need the head
11:15<randallman>of course the original 3 arent about that :) 1's for landrushes for new TLDs and CCtlds, 1 is for telesales vendors to have webmail (horde), and the other is top sekrit!
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11:18<Null_>.co landrush should be pretty big
11:18<randallman>I imagine
11:19<jimcooncat>randallman: how about getting all your appdevs a linode, and let them support themselves?
11:19*jkwood registers
11:19<randallman>We'll do the global sunrise first of course
11:19<randallman>nice :)
11:20<@jed>and Cook Islands ( are examples.
11:20<@jed>hellloooooo vhost.
11:22<randallman>Linode's peering is much faster
11:22<randallman>than our multi-DS3 connectivity here
11:22<@jed>randallman: is landrushing lucrative?
11:23<randallman>in so far as we keep our customers
11:23<randallman>that want the new domains in CCtlds :p
11:24<@jed>ah, your company doesn't do it to like, buy videos.whatever, they buy trademark.whatever o/b/o their customers
11:25*atourino landrushes urmom
11:25<jimcooncat>buy up all your competitor's trademarks
11:26<randallman>Yup jed
11:26<bash>i bought a sewing machine yesterday
11:26<bash>and sewed patches onto my laptop bag
11:26<randallman>so we typically sunrise most of the stuff with legitimate claim documentation etc...
11:27<randallman>bash, nicotine patches? :P
11:27<bash>i quit smoking using nicotine patches
11:27<bash>but not recently
11:28<jkwood>randallman: He printed out kernel patches on fabric, and now he's patching his laptop bag.
11:28*jed makes a comment about hunks
11:28<randallman>I quit using the gunm
11:28<randallman>and I still chew it :)
11:28<randallman>f'it... doc says the gum is FAR more healthy that medicating for ADHD as an aduilt.
11:29<randallman>and it turns out that nicotine tends to properly adjust the dopamine to compensate for ADHD :)
11:33<randallman>Oh I see :0
11:33<randallman>Like bumper stickers for the backpack :0
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11:36<randallman>Teh Innernets r Busterated
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11:49<Peng>SelfishMan: Oh cool, thank you. :)
11:52<linbot>New news from forums: Stupid Bash Trick: Make StackScripts work from a shell in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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12:20<oojacoboo>how do you comment out a crontab?
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12:21<brandon272>Are linodes pro-rated in terms of billing? As an example, if I wanted to spin up a 360 linode for only an hour, how much would that cost?
12:22<oojacoboo>brandon272: yes
12:22<oojacoboo>brandon272: the upgrade process isn't that simple though, I wouldn't advise trying to do what you are thinking
12:22<oojacoboo>there is provisioning required by the host machine which will require some downtime
12:23<Peng>brandon272: It's only pro-rated to the day, though. That's fine if you're spinning up a test box once in a while, but not good for really dynamic cloudy stuff.
12:23<brandon272>I don't mean upgrade; I mean spin up a completely new linode.
12:23<oojacoboo>brandon272: same different
12:24<brandon272>How is it the same difference? If I create an entirely no linode, there would be no downtime involved in my existing linode(s) as you are suggesting.
12:24<brandon272>*entirely new
12:24<oojacoboo>oh, a new one... then what?
12:24<oojacoboo>move over your images?
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12:24<mendel>a one-day linode would cost 1/31 of a month, I believe
12:24<mendel>and so would any portion <1 day
12:24<brandon272>mendel: Okay, thanks!
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12:26<jkwood>oojacoboo: There are lots of things I could think to do with a Linode for a couple hours that would have no effect on my current one.
12:27<oojacoboo>jkwood: like?
12:27<oojacoboo>only thing I could think of is some testing
12:30<jkwood>Testing a new distro, or a new version of a distro, buffering of a very large file, testing an irc or other multi-user server, testing connectivity to a location, demoing a site or server for a potential or current client...
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12:31<oojacoboo>yea, couple good resons, minus the irc jazz
12:32<Peng>It's for if you're too cheap to have a dev box all of the time. :P
12:32<oojacoboo>Peng: but I can see the need even with a dedicated dev box, as we have
12:32<Peng>You can even keep a copy of the disk image on your normal Linode so you don't have to recreate it from scratch every time./
12:33<oojacoboo>yep, we do that too
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12:39<Zeryl>Just a quick one I hope, in my "Network Summary" within the Linode control panel, I show "Transfer/Mo 49 GB". Shouldn't this show the full 300gb that the linode 540 comes with? Or is this a partial month, and I only get a partial bandwidth limit? (Signed up yesterday)
12:40<oojacoboo>if I am viewing top, and my load is near 2.0 and I list all my processes organized by cpu, and the highest one is like 3.0% and the rest are virtually 0, what would be causing my CPU to soar, and/or, how can I find out?
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12:40<literal>oojacoboo: it could be processes waiting for IO, doesn't have to be CPU usage
12:40*jkwood goes looking
12:40<@tasaro>Zeryl: partial month, partial transfer quota -- it will reset on March 1st
12:41<Zeryl>thanks tasaro, apreciate it
12:41<Zeryl>that's what I figured, but wanted to be sure :D
12:41<oojacoboo>literal: process in waiting would make the load average spike?
12:42<literal>yes, see the iowait number in top
12:42<oojacoboo>yep, and its jumping, just saw 14%
12:42<literal>also zombie processes
12:42<oojacoboo>ps aux shows nothing of concern either
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12:44<oojacoboo>load 1.5 waiting 24% idle 74% use 2%
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12:45<A-KO^>hmm, is there any utility that can generate broadcast traffic? hping doesn't do it :/
12:45<oojacoboo>nothing is sitting high in the processes, expect for an occasional httpd, that falls off quick
12:45<Peng>tasaro: Maybe the website should explain that -- this is not the first time someone's asked.
12:45<@caker>the website is down
12:47<jkwood>The menu bar is up
12:48<Peng>urmom went...never mind.
12:49<tierra>I notice that the latest UML kernel is still one year old (exactly one year old as of today actually)... it doesn't look like there's plans to continue updates on the 2.6.23 branch, are there plans for Linode to upgrade to a newer branch, or should I really just be looking at finally making the migration to Xen?
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12:49<nrs_>q for the channel if anyone has some time
12:49<MaZ-> my eyes :(
12:50<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
12:50<Peng>MaZ-: Yes, that is a hideous URL. :P
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12:50<MaZ->this site, right
12:50<MaZ->the front page makes 260+ http requests
12:50<@tasaro>tierra: a migration to Xen is imminent
12:50<Peng>MaZ-: Why does it have two different files named animatedcollapse.js?
12:51<Peng>tasaro: Ooh? What's this?
12:51<nrs_>is anyone running Cassandra on a linode VPS? specifically multi-node?
12:51*jkwood migrates tasaro to Xen
12:51<MaZ->Peng: one for the community!
12:51<Peng>tasaro: You're going to migrate everyone to Xen?
12:51<MaZ->this will be the genius one where i think "oh they're the same file" *deletes one*
12:51<MaZ->and then they turn out to be completely different and something explodes
12:52<@tasaro>Peng: it's old news.. didn't we announce it 2 years ago? ;)
12:52<Peng>tasaro: Sure, but then you didn't do it! :P
12:52<@tasaro>says who?
12:52<tierra>tasaro: any idea on when it'll be pushed if I don't get around to taking care of it myself (by setting up a migration ticket, and pushing it on my own time)?
12:52<Peng>Except in Atlanta, cos Atlanta's cool.
12:53<oojacoboo>use to have servers in AtlantaNap
12:53<oojacoboo>before I quit all that foolishness
12:54<tierra>Peng: they've been doing UML to Xen migrations for over two years, I've been lazy
12:54<@tasaro>tierra: it really depends on which host you are on. we've been giving 10-14 days notice and you have the opportunity to kick it off ahead of time if yo uwish
12:54<tierra>also, I've actually honestly been way too happy about how incredibly stable my UML host has been, so I've been hesitant to move over to Xen
12:55<Peng>tasaro: Oh wow, you've been secretly migrating people all this time? Interesting.
12:56<@tasaro>secretly or privately?
12:56<Peng>urmom's privates are secret
12:56<straterra>Not to mee
12:57<tierra>does it help to know I'm on dallas33? any time frame there?
12:57<Peng>tierra: The majority of Linodes are probably on Xen by now, and their reputation hasn't gone down the tubes, so it should be good. :P
12:57<tierra>actually, being that it's friday, maybe I should just do this migration this weekend
12:57<tierra>Peng: I'm aware, I do actually already have another linode that's already on Xen
12:57<Peng>You'll get a faster server, too!
12:58<jkwood>Due! You're getting a...
12:58<tierra>yeah, but I'm guessing that right now, most of the people on my current UML host have already migrated off... I'm probably one of the few left on it ;)
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12:58<@tasaro>tierra: no -- too many variables (how fast we ship out new servers, new signups consuming Xen slots, etc). i can estimate sometime in the 2nd half of March if that helps
12:58<Peng>That is true.
12:59<tierra>tasaro: thanks, that does help
12:59<@tasaro>fwiw, Fremont will be 100% Xen by Monday and then I'm starting on Dallas
13:00<Peng>tierra: You're probably better off on one of the newer servers, even if it's more heavily loaded.
13:00<erikh>we've secretly replaced the data centers these nodes are enjoying with new and improved FREMONT(R) nodes.
13:00<Peng>Unless someone is doing a lot of I/O.
13:00<erikh>let's see if they notice the difference.
13:00<jkwood>tasaro does Dallas
13:00<tierra>sir, did you know that's Fremont Colombian Coffee you're drinking?
13:01<erikh>"the latency is so much lower!"
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13:01<tierra>why! how dare you!
13:01<erikh>actually, if people are still humping fremont
13:01<erikh>as someone who's been on both
13:01<erikh>the newark center is just as stable
13:01<erikh>and fast.
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13:02<@tasaro>erikh: all 5 of them are equally good -- it amuses me how people think one is better than another aside from the latency to that person's particular location
13:03<jkwood>tasaro: Other than the fact that my node is in Dallas.
13:03<Nivex>didn't you know Fremont is the Center of the Internet
13:03<erikh>tasaro: not to get ... grumpy, but I've heard a lot more griping about dallas and hotlanta than any other DCs
13:04<Nivex>I've never heard anyone complain about dallas
13:04<erikh>I guess I'm just on at the right (wrong?) times.
13:04<@tasaro>erikh: it's always "what have you done for me lately"... all the facilities have hiccups once in awhile
13:04<erikh>oh sure
13:04<MaZ->london > *
13:04<erikh>i'm nto really trying to call you guys out on deception or something.
13:04<tierra>tasaro: if I submit a migration ticket, will I be able to manually push it any time I want this weekend?
13:04<MaZ->except now i cant use my linode to watch hulu
13:05<erikh>and shit happens.
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13:05<@tasaro>and a large portion of the complaining you see is often upstream from us
13:05<erikh>I really would rather run FreeBSD
13:05<erikh>and there are options out there
13:05<erikh>but I stay here for the service
13:05<erikh>so put that in your pipe and smoke it
13:05<@tasaro>tierra: yep, submit a ticket and you'lll get a link in the Linode Manager to kick it off at any time over the weekend
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13:05<tierra>tasaro: thanks
13:11<oojacoboo>hey guys, what are the throttle limits on the CPU? I thought that you had access to the full host CPU if its being unused... we're seeing larger than average loads, and I really cannot pinpoint it...
13:11<oojacoboo>I am on the 720
13:12<mwalling>MaZ-: guess you need a second node
13:12<laser`>There are no throttles
13:12<jkwood>There is no spoon.
13:12<MaZ->mwalling: my wallet :(
13:12<@mikegrb>mmm cake
13:12<mwalling>there is only cake
13:12<laser`>You can only see 4 of the 8 cores in a host, but other than that
13:12<@mikegrb>mmm cake
13:12<stefanie>Cake is a lie
13:13<mangos>do i need to set any permissions to run crontabs on ubuntu 8.04?
13:13<@mikegrb>mmm cake
13:13<MaZ->theres no cake if you cant buy it because you live in your parents basement!
13:13<Peng>MaZ-: Your parents don't allow cake?
13:13<mdcollins>how draconian..
13:13<Peng>Maybe they're "Eat that soy burger, you runt!" health nuts.
13:13<MaZ->not far off
13:13<MaZ->quorn mince
13:14<MaZ->my parents wont cook meat
13:14<jkwood>If they're feeding him soy burgers, no wonder he's a runt.
13:14<MaZ->i want goddamn bacon
13:14<MaZ->its ok though im leaving in a week
13:14<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
13:14<jkwood>MaZ-: Cooking bacon is easy. You shouldmake your own.
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13:15<stefanie>You should then stock up on bacon and cake.
13:15<MaZ->oh the cooking isnt the issue
13:15<JoeK>mikegrb: curse you!
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13:15<jkwood>I'm pretty sure that mikegrb has a recipe for bacon cake.
13:15<MaZ->its the effort to leave the house when its -COLD AS SHIT degrees fahrenheit outside to go buy it
13:16<oojacoboo>will someone please take a look at this and help me understand...
13:16<oojacoboo>if the CPU is shared, why is the load so high?
13:16<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
13:16<stefanie>MaZ-: bacon cake recipe
13:17<MaZ->mikegrb sure does like cake!
13:17<Peng>oojacoboo: Why does the CPU being shared mean the load shouldn't be high?
13:17<mdcollins>i believe that means the load is the equivalent of 1 cpu at 100%
13:17<oojacoboo>Peng: is the load not associated with the CPU?
13:17<TristanB>is there a tutorial on securing a Linode against outer threats (spoofing, ping of death, DDOS, other attacks), my Linode is running CentOS.
13:18<oojacoboo>its 2.0 right now... is this normal?
13:18<Peng>oojacoboo: It is, among other things. I just don't know why you think the sharing is relevant.
13:18<bliblok>2.0 is a bit high
13:19<oojacoboo>Peng: well, I am trying to understand how that value is unique to my node then
13:19<mdcollins>check what processes are using the cpu, might be a spike or something gone haywire
13:19<oojacoboo>I can't find the processes that are causing this, its like a crazy number that does its own thing
13:19<mwalling>bliblok: 2 is high?
13:19<Peng>mwalling: If you're not doing much of anything? Yes.
13:20<mwalling>bliblok: sure, 2 is high on a single core machine, but remember, a four core machine can have a loadavg of 4 w/o having processes in wait
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13:20<Peng>mwalling: Oh, good point. But it's still a bit odd.
13:20<mdcollins>mwalling, exactly what i was trying to say. 1= 100% on 1 cpu.
13:21<mwalling>mdcollins: i didnt see that, just bliblok saying 2 was high
13:21<mdcollins>does look like its spiking though, the load was lower previously.
13:21<oojacoboo>so, is that load average of my linode even relevant?
13:21<mdcollins>mwalling, no worries
13:21<oojacoboo>does it not take into consideration the load of all the other nodes?
13:21<mdcollins>nope, that is just your load
13:22<oojacoboo>so, how is it spiking to 2 or so, then back down to .07 currently!
13:22<oojacoboo>when nothing is really happening different
13:22<mdcollins>maybe a cron job? or a spike in traffic?
13:22<oojacoboo>I mean, I am watching top, nothing is spiking, nothing is def ever sitting...
13:23<linbot>TristanB: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
13:23<TristanB>?MSG LINBOT !help
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13:24<erikh>fail /
13:25<jkwood>TristanB: Any standard hardening document for CentOs or Linux in general will mostly apply to your Linode.
13:25<erikh>step #1: remove centos
13:26<oojacoboo>if I am sharing the CPU with other people, and loading a site 2x that sits on my node without any processes that are spiking, and its jumping, the load, as much as it is, I must be on a an old IBM 386...
13:26<oojacoboo>there is no way its sharing a a quad core xeon
13:27<oojacoboo>either that, or the CPU is throttled per linode, I can't possible think of any other reason
13:27*jkwood renices all oojacoboo's processes
13:27<oojacoboo>brainproxy: THANK YOU!
13:28<TristanB>anyone know the ansewr to my question
13:28<jkwood>12:23 < jkwood> TristanB: Any standard hardening document for CentOs or Linux in general will mostly apply to your Linode.
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13:28<TristanB>is there a fas tway to find one?
13:29<TristanB>FAST WAY
13:29<brainproxy>someone on the same node may be slamming the disk i/o of the host (e.g. a nasty swapper) which could cause issues (I'm not sure what ver of the hypervisor linode uses) and it's also possible for someone to be too aggressively claiming unused cycles, such that your node is effectively throttled back to its guaranteed minimum
13:29<L0stm4n>hello folks, I just moved my DNS from everydns to linode. When I try to do a nslookup from my workstation here by setting the server to I get query refused. Is my domain not setup properly?
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13:30<L0stm4n>sorry, the domain is
13:30<oojacoboo>brainproxy: I appreciate the response, that is most likely the case
13:30<Lucent>this is pretty confusing for me. top sorted by cpu time shows 133: for rsyslogd, and the next highest is mysqld, :45. is this unusual?
13:30<oojacoboo>that explains what I was looking for and thinking, cheers
13:30<brainproxy>sure thing
13:30<L0stm4n>oh wait, maybe I didn't wait long enough...
13:31<L0stm4n>looks like it must've just propegated
13:31<jkwood>L0stm4n: DNS takes a wile to propagate through the interwebs sometimes.
13:31<oojacoboo>brainproxy: that would explain the processes sitting in waiting, correct? Is it safe to assume if you have a high number of processes going to waiting, that a lot of the cycles are being used by other nodes?
13:31<jkwood>TristanB: ?
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13:32<L0stm4n>jkwood: yeah I know, but I was specify the linode server in the nslookup, so it wasn't a question of propegating to the web. It must've taken a few minutes for the config changes to take effect though
13:32<brainproxy>oojacoboo: correct; you
13:32<brainproxy>'re guaranteed a minimum per the weight of your node
13:32<brainproxy>but, if you've got lots of wait
13:32<oojacoboo>brainproxy: yea, I wish that minimum number was more easily obtained
13:32<brainproxy>then you're node is trying to grab more cycles, but there aren't any available at that time
13:33<brainproxy>so it could be a busy host
13:33<jkwood>L0stm4n: I think the DNS servers are on a 15-minute timer or so, if I remember correctly.
13:33<linbot>jkwood: (dns <host|ip>) -- Returns the ip of <host> or the reverse DNS hostname of <ip>.
13:33<brainproxy>or someone may be running wild
13:33<jkwood>I thought that was that one.
13:33<oojacoboo>brainproxy: yea, that makes sense, it just sucks that I have a load of like .20 and processes are sitting in waiting at like 25% at times
13:34<oojacoboo>then sometimes it spikes up to 2.0 and the same, with no apparent difference in the traffic of the site
13:35<L0stm4n>hmm, guess it resolves the cname to IP
13:35<brainproxy>oojacoboo: I've never submitted a support ticket to linode for this type of thing; but I've run into it w/ slicehost; after asking their support to take a look, a couple of times they wrote back and told me they'd throttled back another customer's slice on the same host
13:35<mwalling>L0stm4n: is an alias for
13:36<oojacoboo>brainproxy: cheers, I may contact linode to have a look, it just started acting up over the past 2 days and there is nothing on our end that has changed, and I have spent hours trying to pinpoint, optimize processes, etc
13:36<brainproxy>the xen hypervisor does a good job refereeing most of the time
13:36<brainproxy>but it's not perfect
13:36<mwalling>brainproxy: there is no weighting on linode
13:36<L0stm4n>good, just wanted to make sure it was resolving for "outside" my dns server here has the old stuff cached
13:36<mwalling>they're all the same
13:36<@Perihelion>You can put in a ticket if you want
13:36<linbot>mwalling: (multidns <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo$1".
13:36<@Perihelion>Or PM me and I'll have a look
13:36<brainproxy>mwalling: a 384 has the same weight as a really big one?
13:36<mwalling>brainproxy: yes
13:36<brainproxy>ah, okay
13:37<mwalling>brainproxy: because a 360 isnt on a host with "a really big one"
13:37<mwalling>!f how do i get my fair share of cpu
13:37<linbot>mwalling: How do I get my fair share of CPU? We limit the number of Linodes placed on each host machine. We also only place one plan type on each host. In the worst-case scenario, you're splitting CPU time evenly with your fellow Linoders, but are still able to use the full potential of the host if others are idle.
13:37<brainproxy>ah, so similar sizes are grouped
13:37<brainproxy>that makes a lot of sense
13:37<SelfishMan>mwalling: eh?
13:37<brainproxy>i think i remember reading that now, but it's been awhile, and not all vps companies do it that way
13:37<jkwood>!f How big is SelfishMan's mom
13:37<linbot>jkwood: Sorry, I don't know anything about that
13:37<mwalling>SelfishMan: i thought !multidns was a linky to the site, not something that actually did something
13:38<SelfishMan>it just generates a link to the site
13:38<brainproxy>mwalling: so if there is high wait, it likely indicates everyone on the host is just really busy?
13:38<mwalling>L0stm4n: ^^
13:38<brainproxy>i.e. not a lot of unclaimed cycles?
13:40<oojacoboo>I would also like to know the answer to that brainproxy
13:40<oojacoboo>since nearly EVERY process right now goes into waiting, and I have a load of 0.15!
13:41<L0stm4n>mwalling: thanks! bookmarking that
13:41<oojacoboo>with no processes that are spiking or even sitting
13:41<randallman>Anyone here got stick time with Brightmail?
13:41<randallman>I havent used it since 2k5 and was wondering how it stacks up to plain-old-spamassassin
13:41<randallman>But we're getting more and more spam daily and sr. mgmt is getting more and more annoyed daily :(
13:42<brainproxy>oojacoboo: quick check, your node isn't swapping at present, is it?
13:42<brainproxy>free -m
13:42<oojacoboo>brainproxy: no
13:42<oojacoboo>174mb free
13:43<oojacoboo>nothing on my server should indicate processes going to waiting
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13:44<brainproxy>i dunno, i would just submit a support ticket and see if the linode staff find anything out of whack on the host
13:44<oojacoboo>yep, submitting as we speal
13:45<brainproxy>i was about to say, i never ever speal
13:45<SelfishMan>randallman: if SA isn't working out then you need better rules
13:45<randallman>SelfishMan, well part of what BM offers is a managed quarantine
13:46<randallman>Sure, that *can* be facilitated with spamassassin and SCL scoring
13:46<oojacoboo>randallman: or just move to google apps and say the hell with spamassassin, I use SA for years and nothing but headaches
13:46<randallman>I cant do google
13:46<SelfishMan>I don't know, I wrote my own solution for spam filtering and quarantine
13:46<randallman>we use e-mail as a business process
13:46<randallman>and I do business with registries....
13:46<oojacoboo>randallman: get a dedicated mail appliance then, SA is crap
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13:46<randallman>we have mail that if we do not get in 5 to 10 minutes, we fail
13:46<randallman>oojacoboo, brightmail is just that...
13:46<jkwood>NOOOO FLOODSERV!
13:47<SelfishMan>oojacoboo: most of those dedicated mail appliances use spamassassin
13:47<randallman>an appliance, or in our case, a virtual appliance....
13:47<randallman>Brightmail is going to be much like Cloudmark
13:47<randallman>a professional Razor + IP reputation
13:47<path>we use DSPAM as an optin thing and i'm not real fond of it
13:47<path>but i don't have anything better to replace it with atm
13:47<randallman>path, you also have a captive audience of users
13:47<path>it all takes time to set up
13:47<randallman>if thier e-mail takes an extra 20 minutes, so be it
13:48<randallman>I cant even greylist
13:48<SelfishMan>qpsmtpd + custom hawtness = a nice steak dinner with urmom
13:48<randallman>because if I dont get an e-mail (certain types) within 5 minutes, we might get pwn't
13:48<path>i've been using policyd-weight on my linode and it works better than the policyd greylist we use @work
13:48<SelfishMan>greylisting offers little protection
13:48<oojacoboo>SelfishMan: I wasn't aware of that, nonetheless, I dealt with SA for years, installing spam packs, tweaking rules, training, etc, I even self trained for 6 months by routing mail to a training account, all of these == FAIL
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13:48<randallman>SelfishMan, indeed... most spammers are good to go on greylisting now
13:48-!-mode/#linode [-o tjfontaine] by tjfontaine
13:48<path>i've actually been considering ditching the greylist at work, but i think i need to convince some folks
13:49*tjfontaine has ditched it
13:49<oojacoboo>randallman: managing a mailserver and preventing SPAM is a fulltime job!
13:49<randallman>oojacoboo, I know....
13:49<SelfishMan>randallman: The big issue with greylisting isn't usually that the spammers evade it. It's that legit sites use large pools of outbound servers and greylisting will prevent any delivery
13:49<path>my plan was to set up policyd-weight and run it in conjunction and then ditch it
13:49<randallman>SelfishMan, that too...
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13:50<randallman>and the first server it queues on isnt necessarily the same as the next one
13:50<path>i have large pools whitelisted from the greylisting :)
13:50<oojacoboo>randallman: I have moved all of our stuff to google apps and now I can sleep at night, no more complaints
13:50<randallman>oojcaoboo, Postini (google) blocks half our shit anyway
13:50<randallman>because it 'looks' like spam
13:50<randallman>big huge PDFs
13:50<path>i have large mail sources whitelisted off the get.. so their ip blocks aren't even checked by RBLs
13:50<randallman>so we're NOT interested in postini^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hgoogle
13:50<amitz>blacklisting? whitelisting? #linode is racist </troll>
13:51<oojacoboo>randallman: I used postini for 6 months rougly as well, it wasn't much better, but a lot better, nonetheless
13:51<SelfishMan>randallman: to answer your original question, brightmail is very hit or miss. either it works damn well or it is the worst thing ever
13:51<randallman>oojacoboo, postini IS google
13:51<randallman>rather google bought postini
13:51<oojacoboo>randallman: on the contrary
13:51<randallman>Not sure how much of the original innards they kept
13:52<oojacoboo>randallman: they have postini which is an option ontop of gmail/apps or postini separate
13:52<amitz>on behalf of political correctness, I suggest goodlisting/badlisting instead of whitelisting/blacklisting.
13:52<SelfishMan>postini has to be enabled on google apps domains before it is actually used
13:52<oojacoboo>SelfishMan: correct
13:52<randallman>oojacoboo, either way, we will not be using any outsourced e-mal
13:52<oojacoboo>they probably borrowed some of the tech from it for filtering, but thats all
13:52<randallman>due to the sensitive nature of e-mail and the workflows here...
13:52<randallman>it's gotta be in house and manually overridable...
13:53<oojacoboo>randallman: I recommend buying an appliance, thats the only other good solution I have heard from real world experience
13:53<randallman>e.g. we inadvertently blocked mail from NIC.RU because spamhaus got uppity because NIC.RU uses a provider which also hosts spammers...
13:53<SelfishMan>randallman: spend an afternoon and build something on top of qpsmtpd
13:53<randallman>but we do business with the .RU registry... :)
13:53<randallman>SelfishMan, we like postfix... but
13:53<randallman>I just want someone ELSE to blame now
13:53<randallman>Im sick of dealing with it
13:53<SelfishMan>I still use postfix as the target for the mailboxes but qpsmtpd to do the spam filtering
13:53<randallman>'Its blocked because symantec blocked it'
13:54<path>sometimes its nice to pay someone else to do some process so you can focus on more important things
13:54<randallman>works FAR better with Sr. Mgmt than 'We blocked it with our freeware shit'
13:54<randallman>at least, that's how they look at it
13:54<SelfishMan>brightmail and barracuda are tricky solutions
13:54<jkwood>amitz: Linode whitelisted urmom
13:54<SelfishMan>!amitz whiltelisted linode's mom
13:54<linbot>SelfishMan: urmom is so fat, even her jokes cant fly. (837:0/0) [ummro]
13:54<SelfishMan>how have I never seen that one before?
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13:55<path>oh, brightmail is owned by symantec
13:55<amitz>amitz whitelisted linoders' moms.
13:55<path>i'm convinced symantec is evil
13:55<randallman>SelfishMan, I ran Brightmail back in 2005... pre-symantec...
13:55<randallman>So I do have stick time...
13:56<jkwood>You still have that input script?
13:56<randallman>But I was just not sure how well it works THESE days...
13:56<SelfishMan>randallman: different product now
13:56<path>we switched to sophos while back and it's much better (for the a/v stuff)
13:56<SelfishMan>nothing like you worked with
13:56<path>symantec takes everything and puts it into bloated iis asp shit
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13:57<path>like emc takes stuff and puts it into their bloated tomcat shit
13:57<SelfishMan>saying brightmail now is like it was in 2005 is like saying SAVCE is just intel landesk with a facelift
13:57<randallman>Selfishman, k... Im reading docs now and it seems QUITE different :0
13:57<randallman>Firstly, they are really pushing the virtual appliance model... i.e. I cant just run it on Linux
13:57<SelfishMan>path: immaho?
13:58<SelfishMan>they want you to buy the yellow appliance
13:59<randallman>SelfishMan, but the AD integration and such is attractive
13:59<randallman>it used to have an Outlook plugin, not sure anymore
13:59<sub>anyone here got a list of auditctl rules i can use as a baseline?
13:59<SelfishMan>I think it still has a plugin
13:59<randallman>I thought about cloudmark at one point
13:59<randallman>but again, its just more cobbling
13:59<randallman>using the cloudmark milter plugin with postfix.
14:00<path>what about baracuda?
14:01*jkwood stabs barracuda
14:02<randallman>Its just postfix + spamassassin no?
14:02<randallman>plus those appliances piss me off.... you have to click a button for Barracuda to log in remotely
14:02<randallman>via ssh tunnel
14:02<randallman>to do *anything* like adding static routes
14:02<randallman>at least the brightmail appliance allows us to login to the centos console
14:02<path>i was also going to ask about cisco :)
14:02<randallman>we had a demo unit in for a while
14:03<randallman>but the high and mighty ex. unix badass here refused to entertain it
14:03<randallman>and built this half-cobbled half-baked postfix implementation
14:03<randallman>which needs someone to manage it for at least 30 minutes a day (averaged out over a week)
14:03<path>yea, that's how i feel sometimes
14:03<path>actually, we spend less time than that
14:03<randallman>mind you he was fired for building rube goldberg-like solutions and REFUSING to compromise :)
14:04<randallman>'Its not technically perfect'
14:04<randallman>blah blah...
14:04<randallman>Go work for RedHat or Google if you want to be a technical purist :)
14:04<randallman>here in the real world, we like solutions that work... doesnt matter if you needed some vasoline to get it in there :)
14:05<path>there are days i'd like to be more of a BOFH, but it's not always practical
14:05<randallman>you get more leeway there since you're in EDU-land :)
14:06<randallman>I can never tell my business users that we can't do it because its a hack
14:06<path>yea, but when people bitch.. i can't blame it on some appliance either
14:06<randallman>they don't fscking care... unless I can quantify potential business outage because its a hack :)
14:06<randallman>and even then, its not like they want to pay it forward...
14:06<randallman>hack it now, fix it later.
14:06<randallman>which is why we have a busted ass basic spamassassin + spamhaus config
14:07<randallman>and no quarantine...
14:07<randallman>so users are getting all of those 5->7.9999 scored spams
14:07<path>i'd like to do SA with a quarantine folder in the mail server
14:07<randallman>Sure, I could let SA tag with SCL
14:07<randallman>and let exchange filter it with the IMF
14:07<path>but that'd require each user having a lot of sieve rules and whatnot
14:07<path>and we have a variety of mail clients
14:07<randallman>nice thing is, we're all outlook
14:07<path>if everyone used horde, it'd be easier
14:07<randallman>so its easy to control the pain :)
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14:08<jkwood>FOR THE ALLIANCE!
14:08<jkwood>Wait, what?
14:08<randallman>HOLD THE LINE!
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14:09<jkwood>You'll never take Wintergrasp from us, path.
14:10<metaperl>i see some people have joined the YAAKOV CLUB!
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14:11<path>someone worked before hard designing the caps lock key.. it'd be an injustice to not use it.
14:11<jkwood>I was a charter member.
14:11<randallman>no shit :)
14:11<randallman>caps lock FTW
14:11<jkwood>Caps Lock is cruise control for cool.
14:11<path>i meant "very hard"
14:12<sub>I just hold shift
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14:13<randallman>Funny to examine keyboard wear patterns :)
14:13<randallman>here at work, my S is most faded..
14:13<randallman>followed by the a and e and f
14:13<randallman>err d
14:14<randallman>and C and X :)
14:14<path>is your password SAFE?
14:14<randallman>Not sure why...
14:14<jkwood>Not anymore, it's not.
14:14<thegodlikehobo>hrm. mine are A W S. clearly i don't strafe right very often.
14:15*jkwood reads your email
14:15<randallman>yeah at home, its wasd
14:16<randallman>Oddly enough the space bar ink is worn off too...
14:16<randallman>oh wait :)
14:16<randallman>(heh kidding of course)
14:16<drewr>this isn't really a vps question, but how can I get spindle info from /proc?
14:16<randallman>disk spindle information?
14:16<drewr>the physical platters in the machine
14:16<Peng>What kind of info, exactly? (Not that I know the answer anyway.)
14:16<drewr>just size, rpms, etc.
14:17<randallman> /proc/diskstats
14:17<randallman>for stats
14:17<randallman>oh size rpms hmm
14:17<randallman>That totally depends
14:17<randallman>it may be easier to find in /sys
14:17<jkwood>I would think that sdparm might give that stuff.
14:18<randallman>maybe /sys/block ?
14:18<randallman>even then with our cciss controllers that stuff isnt displayed...
14:19<randallman>because its a logical volume
14:19<randallman>need to use hpacucli for it
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14:19<randallman>=> controller slot=0 show config detail
14:20<randallman>hmm no sdparm in RHEL
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14:48<jkwood>Was that just me?
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14:51<tjfontaine>also j-node
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14:51<randallman>The internet is broken :0
14:52<Peng>I blame path!
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14:56<randallman>Me to
14:56<randallman>Freekin irishman
14:57<path>ha, you're blaming the wrong path
14:58<randallman>Next Stop, Journal Square?
14:58<tjfontaine>River City
14:58<tjfontaine>River City, Ioway
14:58<randallman>PATH train in NJ?
14:58<randallman>port authority NY & NJ FTL
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14:59<randallman>oh wait, 'port authority trans hudson'
15:01<tjfontaine>hudson is a tranny!
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15:11<Rembrant>How many VPS can I make with the $19.95 plan?
15:12<bash>each price is for 1 vps
15:12<bash>they just get more powerful as you go up
15:12<Rembrant>Ah, gotcha.
15:12<linbot>jkwood: Linode360 - 212, Linode540 - 190, Linode720 - 136, Linode1080 - 39, Linode1440 - 29, Linode2880 - 8
15:12<bash>for $40/month you could get (2) $20 vps or (1) $40 vps, and the $40 one is roughly 2x the speed
15:12<jkwood>212, right now.
15:13<Rembrant>I thought I could create numerous, but it was just dependent of my resources...
15:13<Wolfling>is there any know connectivity issue with the atlanta servers?
15:13<bash>oh, yeah
15:13<bash>you could make as many as you want at $20 each
15:13<bash>well, up to 212 of them I guess
15:13<Rembrant>Got it.
15:13<bash>then linode would have to make more
15:13<JoeK>depends on datacenter availability bash
15:13<linbot>JoeK: Dallas360 - 48, Dallas540 - 24, Dallas720 - 22, Dallas1080 - 3, Dallas1440 - 2, Dallas2880 - 0, Dallas5760 - 0
15:13<Rembrant>Guess I can't do HA if I only have one VPS ;D
15:14<Wolfling>atlanta12: cannot ping or ftp my Linode, was working 7 hours ago
15:15<jkwood>Rembrant: Do note that Linode pools bandwidth. If one node goes down, the other one can use its bandwidth.
15:15<bash>my atlanta host is up, wolfing
15:15<bash>two up
15:15<bash>Wolfing go to the website
15:15<bash>login, and check status, see if you can attach to the ajax console
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15:16<Rembrant>@jkwood, ty. However, if my linode is gettin' low in resources, I can't transfer to another linode since I only have one :D
15:17<Rembrant>Oh, I should ask: do you folks do any content switching?
15:17<Wolfling>the host is up. I can ssh to it, but cannot ftp/scp to it
15:17<JoeK>Wolfling: sounds like a problem with your linode, not linode's
15:17<@irgeek>Wolfling: One of your IPs is responding to ARP requests, the other isn't.
15:18<bash>Rembrandt, if you linode gets low in resources, you can resize it
15:19<bash>unless you have a 28gb one already
15:19<JoeK>i thought the max was 15gb
15:19<JoeK>well !14.5
15:20<JoeK>i like how linode balances their plans :P
15:21<JoeK>1 14400 is the same as 40 360s (which would equal up to 14400)
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15:22<Rembrant>I should get a linode
15:23<Peng>Yes, you should. :D
15:23<Rembrant>I just wanted some feedback on the content switching side though.
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15:24<Rembrant>I mean, what if I want to set up two web servers so they can load balance?
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15:25<Peng>You can do that if you want to, although I don't have any experience with it and don't know how people normally do it.
15:26<sub>People generally use a proxy, but the design is non-trivial
15:26<Rembrant>I guess I was more curious about the networking side of your data center
15:26<sub>For example, you would need a way of sharing session data between backend web hosts
15:26<sub>And if the load balancer/proxy fails, you're SOL, unless you have multiple proxies/load balancers
15:27<JoeK>about the b/w pooling
15:27<JoeK>lets say i have 2 360's
15:27<JoeK>the indiviudual linode b/w dosent matter?
15:27<JoeK>its just a matter of the total pool?
15:27<mangos>how come linode doesn't have an official LEMP stack?
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15:28<Peng>JoeK: Uh-huh.
15:28<JoeK>linode should go cloud style
15:28<sub>Because we're all unique, like snowflakes, mangos
15:28<mangos>i feel a fight club quote coming on..
15:28<sub>But you could probably write a pretty nifty StackScript to set that up
15:28<jkwood>JoeK: Yep. That way, you can buy two Linodes, use one as the database server, connect to it on the unmetered backend network, and then have double the bandwidth on your net-facing one.
15:30<Nivex>linode doesn't have any official HEMP?
15:30<JoeK>this pooling works for different d/c's?
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15:30<jkwood>That I'm not sure about.
15:30<Peng>JoeK: Yes.
15:31<Peng>I think.
15:31<jkwood>!f bandwidth pooling
15:31<linbot>jkwood: Bandwidth pooling is used in network switches to optimize the use of network resources. It allows switch processing cards to be shared by physical interface cards. This innovation frees switch resources that would otherwise be stranded when lower-rate interface cards are deployed in an aggregation switch.
15:31<Peng>Yes, thank you, linbot.
15:31<jkwood>Informative, but usuless.
15:31<jkwood>!f bandwidth pooling on linode
15:31<linbot>jkwood: Bandwidth pooling is used in network switches to optimize the use of network resources. It allows switch processing cards to be shared by physical interface cards. This innovation frees switch resources that would otherwise be stranded when lower-rate interface cards are deployed in an aggregation switch.
15:32<JoeK>!caker bandwifth pooling on linode
15:32<jkwood>One-track mind, linbot.
15:38<JoeK>i think my pool isnt working
15:38<JoeK>i have 3 360's and it says my total pool is 400gb
15:38<jkwood>Did you get one this month?
15:39<JoeK>i think 2
15:39<@irgeek>"Transfer is pooled among all of the Linodes under your account."
15:39<@irgeek>I added the emphasis there..
15:39<JoeK>irgeek: 3 linodes total b/w pool should be 600gb, right?
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15:39<JoeK>(3 360s)
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15:40<mangos>let's see
15:40<mangos>200 + 200 + 200 = 600
15:40<jkwood>The transfer is prorated.
15:40<mangos>yes i dobelieve so
15:40<jkwood>It should reset in March to be 600.
15:41<JoeK>but my irc server might use up all of that 400gb! <panic>
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15:41<@irgeek>JoeK: If they all existed on Feb 1st, yes.
15:41<jkwood>JoeK: Stop trading warez and pron.
15:42<TheFirst>what the hell kind of irc _server_ ou running that's using 400G a month?
15:42<JoeK>TheFirst: sarcasm
15:42<JoeK>sarcasm IRCd
15:42<JoeK>: D
15:42<@jed>TheFirst: DALnet's
15:42<@jed>they did a bit more than that.
15:43<TheFirst>jed: some how i doubt he's linked to one of the major networks
15:43<@jed>last time I saw MRTG for one of the core routers on DALnet, it was sustaining about 850 Mbit
15:43*jed shrugs
15:43<TheFirst>didn't dalnet pretty much die off after that ddos years ago?
15:44<TheFirst>thought so
15:44<mangos>dalnet always sucked.
15:45<TheFirst>you're not wrong
15:45<mangos>come on, no urmom?
15:45<linbot>JoeK: Yo momma's got so much feature creep, she supports regexps, themes, and Twitter. (772:6/0) [rmmou]
15:45<JoeK>mangos ^^
15:45<JoeK>i think urmom themes are nice
15:45<JoeK>being able to tweet on her is gravy
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16:03<itsme>hi is there a bug with order/signup processing?
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16:03<itsme>i end up with an error page
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16:07<Hareem>Hello everyone How are you doing today
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16:09<Solver>I'm pretty good
16:09<Solver>heading home early from work
16:09<Solver>otoh I had to to the office today. mostly I telecommute
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16:10<jcy>telecommuting would make it really tough to ragequit your job
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16:11<Hareem>Does anyone know.. hwo to restrict windows XP to run only one program after its boot sequence
16:12<Hareem>I build a digital signage app. Data runs down via rss to the client app from my linode. I don't know exactly how to only show the client app and not the whole xp desktop
16:15<laser`>Add it to the 'Run' reg key and it run fullscreen?
16:16<laser`>tbh, I'd just customise some simple Linux distro to do it :P
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16:22<Solver>Hareem: replace the window manager with the process?
16:22*Solver would also use Linux :)
16:22<mdcollins>Hareem, i know what you mean, Spybot: Search and Destroy can do it.
16:23<Hareem>Wha... what does spybot have to do with digital signage my friend
16:23<Solver>presumably if a WM was running the app would need to catch all interrupts
16:23<Hareem>Solver: How to set that up in linux
16:23<mdcollins>just that it runs before the desktop is shown
16:23<Solver>Hareem: there are several approaches
16:24<Solver>Hareem: running it was the window manager and disabling any hotkeys X accepts would get you a long way
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16:24<Solver>OTOH if there was no keyboard present then that would help
16:24<Talman>Can someone tell me why has Microsoft Internet Explorer as a skill?
16:24<Solver>so set it up without a kb and disable the kb driver if anyone wanted to plug one in (via usb for example)
16:24<Talman>Is it really that difficult? :)
16:25<Solver>Talman: becausea lot of people think a trivial application constitutes a skill ;)
16:25<Hareem>Solver: Is it possible to setup digital signage on Ubuntu etc
16:25<Solver>Hareem: of course
16:25<Talman>Digital Signage?
16:26<Hareem>Yeah . you know you goto expo's and you see a plasma screen dislplay screens showing all sorts of products imagery etc... thats called digital signage
16:26<tacticus>damn this being at work on a sat :(
16:26<Talman>>> I was afraid you were suggesting htat.
16:26<tacticus>Hareem: depends what you want to do
16:27<Talman>As long as your sign communicates via USB or serial in some method that's industry standard, there's usually an app for programming it.
16:27<tacticus>some of the ones i've seen that dont have proper software
16:27<randallman>Hahah microsoft internet explorer... as a skill :P
16:27<tacticus>you just set up a looping video
16:27<tacticus>or ppt or similar
16:27<Talman>Yeah. pop a SD card in and it'll play your AVI.
16:27<randallman>Does that mean that you know how NOT to get pwn't by active X and javascript?
16:28<Talman>I always thought it'd be better to use a large plasma screen or LCD, and then use DVI or HDMI cable to a central server.
16:28<tacticus>randallman: isn't that not using IE?
16:28<Hareem>hmmm... what i wanted to accomplish was use ubuntu or windows xp.. and just have them setup so in case of reboot my flash app would auto run when the system returns to a normal state
16:28<Talman>In that case, you can address each display as its own X display.
16:28<randallman>tacticus, the only way to win the game... is not to play at all!
16:28<tacticus>that's easy enough Hareem just have it auto start
16:28<Solver>Hareem: sorry my 3G is being flakey
16:28<tacticus>randallman: what an odd game
16:28<@jed>You just lost the game.
16:29<tacticus>i don't lose the game i make others lose
16:29<Solver>Hareem: your app can replace the window manager and run fullscreen
16:29<Hareem>Is it possible to instruct task manager to run a particular app after boot sequence.
16:29<Hareem>Solver: how to overtake windows manager
16:30<jkwood>jed: /slap
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16:31<erikh>there's a mouse in my beer, eh
16:32<Nivex>How about a nice game of chess?
16:32<Solver>Hareem: the WM is just defined in ~/.xsession - that overrides any defaults that are set
16:32<Solver>Hareem: you could have a user log in and run the signage
16:32<Solver>the problem is how to prevent someone adding a keyboard
16:32<Solver>or otherwise blocking interrupts from the keyboard
16:33<Solver>it can be done
16:33<Solver>Hareem: as for staerting something on boot, all modern OSes do this routinely
16:33<Hareem>Problem is that is not suitable. My boss is on my case to setup a small system that would run on its on and display the firms ads and other content. And not show the windows background etc...
16:34<Solver>you wouldn\t see the background
16:34<tacticus>the real question though is how do you get a clonzilla live cd connecting to a clonezilla server for multicast awesome
16:34<Solver>Hareem: fullscreen app running as the WM with various kb interrupts disabled
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16:34<Solver>that's one way to do it but there are others
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16:35<Solver>3G still flakey
16:36<vonskippy> - returns FORBIDDEN "you don't have permmision to access /forums/ on this server.
16:36<@tasaro>vonskippy: we're working on it
16:36<vonskippy>ok - good to know - thanks
16:36<jkwood>It's you!
16:36<tacticus>i blame vonskippy as well
16:39<Hareem>Solver: Thanks a million for you help. I will monkey around with ubuntu windows manager.. want to see if i can just get firefox to open up after boot sequence and go fullscreen on a pre-defined url
16:43<Solver>Hareem: good luck. the key is that you can skip the WM entirely
16:43<Solver>or more technically your app _becomes_ the WM
16:44<jkwood>The network is the computer.
16:44<Solver>Hareem: this sort of box would normally be dedicated so you can install minimum s/w only, etc
16:44<Solver>jkwood: indeed it is. I was disappointed when Sun dropped that
16:44<Nivex>some apps get kinda cranky when they have no WM
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16:45<Solver>it was more true than ever when Sun dropped that logo
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16:46<Solver>Nivex: I've done it with various apps and had no problem
16:46<Solver>mozilla just looked ugly but it worked fine :)
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16:53<Deckert>good evening
16:54<Deckert>so, is the 403-forbidden error on the forums global, or only for me? :-)
16:54*Solver has no comment :)
16:55<jkwood>caker is updating the forums to accept paypal. Don't worry about it.
16:55<Solver>Deckert: ops here are Linode employees. maybe they are the best people to ask
16:55<db3l>Global - not just forums either.
16:55*Deckert nods ... ah, cool ... thanks.
16:56*Deckert will have to do without his daily fix of forum-reading then
16:56*jkwood awaits his incoming null-route
16:56<@Perihelion>Deckert: It's being looked into
16:56<Peng>jkwood: You mean /akill.
16:56<db3l>I did find it strange that there's no comment on (which is up) since this impacts Linode Manager too.
16:57<jkwood>Peng: That's global, though.
16:57<Solver>maybe the outage was unexpected and now they can't do an update?
16:57<db3l>I suppose - though having distinct from other infrastructure is sort of the point, no?
16:57<@jed>db3l: what's wrong with the linode manager?
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16:57*Deckert can login to the Linode manager
16:57<sub>you're a linode manager
16:58<db3l>Hmm - I seem to be getting the same nginx errors when trying to reach a URL to login ... maybe I just never saved the right direct URL?
16:58<@jed>what direct URL did you save
16:58*SelfishMan thought Linode used apache
16:59*Solver should try out nginx
16:59<@jed>for reference, correct direct URL to linode manager:
16:59*Solver has been an apache man for a long time
16:59<db3l>They all seem to be underneath
16:59<db3l>Yep - just tried that and I'm getting the same
16:59<SelfishMan>jed: that was a nice trick
16:59<db3l>(sorry) - 400 Bad Request error.
17:00<Solver>naughty request!
17:00<SelfishMan>my browser popped up and opened that link even though I never clicked it and my mouse is nowhere near that link
17:00<@jed>db3l: can you pastebin it, please?
17:01<jkwood>SelfishMan: It was a jed i-mind trick.
17:02<SelfishMan>format c: /autotest
17:03<jkwood>Operation succeeded.
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17:04<HedgeMage>hi, all
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17:05*HedgeMage bops SelfishMan
17:06*SelfishMan likes it rough
17:06<Peng>HedgeMage: Hello. :)
17:07<jkwood>Hey, HedgeMage
17:07<db3l>jed: (looking up pastebin) Sure ... here's the browser headers, and two openssl client attempts -
17:08<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
17:09<db3l>Sorry - didn't know Linode had their own pastebin - do you need it there Jed? (linbot: I didn't paste contents in the channel, just the URL)
17:10<mendel>linbot is a bot
17:10<@jed>db3l: you on Linux?
17:11<db3l>jed: not at the moment - OSX. I can do a request from Linux if you want though (it'll be behind the same source address to the Linode servers)
17:11<@jed>open terminal, dscacheutil -flush...
17:11*jed checks reverse history
17:11<@jed>open terminal, dscacheutil -flushcache
17:12<@jed>then Option + R in firefox
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17:12<@jed>Command + R, sorry
17:12<@jed>(my Option/Command are backwards)
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17:13<db3l>Mine too probably (shared keyboard with PCs) - I need to do a bit more work though since my local router is also a caching DNS. Can you let me know what address I should or shouldn't be seeing for
17:13<@jed>not necessarily in that order
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17:14<Peng> has address
17:15<Peng>'s rDNS SERVFAILs. :D
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17:16<SelfishMan>when did start using round robin?
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17:16<db3l>jed: Whoops - restarted browser to ensure a new cache and forgot my IRC client was in the browser....
17:16<Peng>SelfishMan: Apparently just now!
17:17<Peng>And NXDOMAINs.
17:17<@jed>db3l: any luck?
17:17<db3l>jed: Those were the IP addresses I had, but not in that order. Flushing the local cache (and restarting the browser) didn't seem to make a difference on my OSX box, but a separate box (Linux) seems to work.
17:17<db3l>I'm not sure yet if that means one or more of the possible addresses aren't working, or just a local problem on the OSX box ... checking
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17:18<@jed>db3l: can you pastebin what firefox sends?
17:18<@jed>firebug or something will tell you
17:18<@jed>I want to see if I can replicate
17:20<db3l>jed: So I don't annoy the bot :-) should I use this time? (I've got firebug's net tab, but am trying to get it divulge the actual address being used rather than just the hostname).
17:20<@jed>whatever pastebin is fine
17:20<Peng>The dashboard works for me even though I still get
17:21<db3l>I do notice a large cookie going up, since this is the machine I typically use the forums from.
17:21<@jed>db3l: for reference, here's my successful login:
17:22<@jed>hm, that might be it -- try clearing your cookies?
17:23<db3l>Ah interesting - a third box (Linux) where I also sometimes read the forums is failing the same way.
17:23<@jed>db3l: how big is the cookie?
17:24<jkwood>db3l: It wasn't an annoyance. That particular trigger is usually reserved for people who try to paste their entire Apache log in-channel. I was just making you aware of the existence of the linode pastebin.
17:25<jkwood>I forgot it was so harsh.
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17:26<@caker>db3l: try now please?
17:26<db3l>jed: Good sized - lot of URL-quoting going on. It's at
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17:27<db3l>caker: I was just about to flush the cookie from one of the two systems, but yes, it's working now without touching the cookies.
17:28*caker moshes
17:28<db3l>jkwood: No problem - I always try to maintain good netiquette, but am rarely an IRC user, so didn't want to annoy...
17:29<db3l>caker: Hope it was tasty...
17:30<jkwood>db3l: Don't worry about it. Besides, linbot is my mortal enemy, so OF COURSE he's a little harsh.
17:30*linbot gropes jkwood
17:31*linbot rubs left nipple
17:31<db3l>caker/jed: Thanks a bunch - looks like I'm fine now. I think there was someone else on before I restarted my browser and lost the log (Deckert?) who was also having trouble, so it might have fixed them as well.
17:32*Deckert 's access to the forums is working again :-)
17:32<Deckert>no withdrawal then
17:32*nb wonders why his server just hung for the 2nd day in a row
17:32<nb>pv_grub normally is very stable for me
17:33<nb>it was using 400% of cpu
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17:38<db3l>Oops - maybe I mis-spoke. I can get to the forums, and even do a search for new posts, but trying to read a post is generating a 502 Bad Gateway.
17:38<db3l>On one of the two systems (the Linux) system I flushed all cookies and it works fine then. So something still doesn't like existing cookies.
17:38<db3l>I can easily just flush it on all my systems, unless you'd rather try anything else on your end and want me to test against it.
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17:48<deathZor>hey guys is there a way to get ip_vs working on a linode box ( assuming just recompiling the kernel is gonna break stuff )
17:49<@caker>you can, but you won't get packet rewriting to work without tunneling first
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17:51<deathZor>caker, because i used it for both reducancy and load ballancing plus i kinda did it this way in my qemu based test setup ( so i kinda want to use the same stuff on my non production build )
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17:57<savant>How come when i connect to a linode instance through ssh, it asks me to login to a specific user and doesnt log me in as the ssh user?
17:58<@caker>are you connecting to the console by mistake?
17:58<@caker>savant: sshing into the IP address on the Network subtab, yes?
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17:59<savant>no, through terminal
17:59<savant>newly deployed instance
18:00<@caker>savant: root@<ip address located on Network subtab>
18:00<@caker>do it.
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18:00<savant>oh hey, i was using the to connect, not the ip
18:01<@caker>yes, that's the console.
18:01<@caker>we need a pretty picture
18:01<savant>thank you caker :)
18:02<@caker>any time! :)
18:02<Talman>I think most of caker's tickets can be summed up as DOO ETT.
18:03*Guspaz does it with... Oh, never mind.
18:03<TR1N1TY> M. .:M
18:03<TR1N1TY> MMMM:. .:MMMM
18:03<TR1N1TY> :MHHI::....::::HMMMMMMHHII::.. ..::::M:
18:03-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*TR1N1TY@*] by caker
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18:04<Battousai>what was that, pedobear?
18:04<@caker> /\
18:04<Guspaz>The sad thing is, DSL in south africa, that probably used up half his monthly cap.
18:04<ekes>ascii art isn't what it was
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18:05<@Perihelion>dude that was clefairy
18:05<@Perihelion>sike idk
18:06<Talman>That was a cat.
18:06<savant>alright. is it bad that I setup my linode instance according to the slicehost articles?
18:06<Talman>What was even the point of that, though? :)
18:06<@Perihelion>Yes, for we have our own set of fine articles!
18:06<@Perihelion>Talman: Someone was bored
18:06<savant> is non-existent :(
18:06<Talman>I go troll on freenode when I'm bored, with topic questions.
18:06<Talman>I think.
18:07<Guspaz>The ears were quite pointy.
18:07<Talman>The Linode Library is all you need to know.
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18:07<Talman>And if it isn't, THERE IS GOOGLE.
18:07<@Perihelion>and this wonderful community thing
18:07<Talman>Also, Perihelion, you may be right... That may of been a jigglypuff.
18:07<@Perihelion>i knowz mah pokemanz
18:07<@Perihelion>wheres Clorith
18:07<@Perihelion>he'd know
18:08<Talman>I only like Mudkip.
18:08<@Perihelion>Yeah but I mean like...I'm a pokemon master.
18:08<SelfishMan>jigglypuff? Is that a form of porn?
18:08<@Perihelion>`It should be
18:08<Talman>Mainly because my ex-GF had a mudkip plushie. Seriously, you either like it, or you don't sleep in the bed.
18:08<Talman>No, it should not.
18:08<Talman>I should actually... play Pokemon on my DS. I have every ROM, ffs.
18:09<Talman>What the jesus.
18:09<SelfishMan>my generic domain parking page
18:09<Talman>Who's sports bra did that man desecrate.
18:09<Talman>Are you going to make a urmom convention?
18:09<SelfishMan>ask straterra
18:09<Talman>Where everyone can meet each other's moms?
18:10<SelfishMan>Talman: furrycon was taken
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18:10<Talman>Yes, by... the furries, who have a convention.
18:10<Talman>Hence, FurryCon
18:11<SelfishMan>There is one hell of a lot of furr in that pic
18:11<Talman>Emergency shutters activated and I only saw certain parts of it.
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18:18<Clorith>That was either a Persian or Mew, due to the marking on the pokemons forehead.
18:18<Clorith>sheesh. learn your pokemanz!
18:18<@Perihelion>FUUU I SAID JIGGLYPUFF
18:18<Clorith>hmm, we shall see!
18:19<Clorith>TO BULBAPEDIA!
18:19*SelfishMan wonders why people are still clicking that link
18:19*irgeek clicks urmom
18:19<Talman>Guys, I know what the hell that is, and I'm sad to.
18:19<Clorith>15 days and 4 horus until HeartGold and SoulSilver is released :o
18:19<Clorith>(I did not know abotu this until I went on bulbapedia!)
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18:20*SelfishMan doesn't get it
18:20<SelfishMan>and for once I don't want to know
18:21<Clorith>pokemon wiki :3
18:21<@Perihelion>Clorith: If you were pr0 like me you'd already have it.
18:21<Clorith>how come al lthe OPs are jelause of my awesomeness? =(
18:21<@jed> - > n e r d s < -
18:21<@Perihelion>Did you mean jealous?
18:21<@Perihelion>I think you did
18:22<@irgeek>Clorith: Paste that link again, and you'll be kicked.
18:22<Talman>Clorith, its already out in Japan.
18:22<@irgeek>YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
18:22<@jed>omg nerds everywhere
18:22<Talman>Not my fault I know this shit.
18:22<Nivex>dayum Clorith, THREE ops came down on you. That's gotta be one hella link.
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18:22<@jed>I just said nerds
18:22<@jed>I didn't come down on anybody :D
18:22<Talman>Its FULL of Pokemon.
18:23<@Perihelion>Wow irgeek is a hataaaaaaa
18:23<@jed>Perihelion: I share an office with him
18:23<Talman>Besides... Those new pokemon games will help fatties be fit.
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18:23*Perihelion pokes caker
18:23*jed takes pics
18:23<Talman>>> You guys have to share offices? Or cubicles?
18:24<@jed>Talman: we're packed into these tubes in the wall
18:24<Clorith>Nivex: I think it's for pokemon fans, as a picture of a tiger is to furrys
18:24<Talman>Where the fuck are you, Tokyo?
18:24<@jed>Talman: magrathea
18:24<Talman>Fucking mice.
18:24*jed sees the nerdery and raises it $1
18:24<@Perihelion>Watch your fucking mouth
18:25<Nivex>yeah you piece of shit
18:25<@Perihelion>Oh lord.
18:25<Clorith>any way, it -could- be a jigglypuff, but I'm not quite sure
18:25<Talman>What the hell is a friday? :)
18:25<@Perihelion>Clorith: You have failed me.
18:25<Clorith>it isn't mew either
18:25<tacticus>saturday ftw
18:25<tacticus>saturday at work is not so good
18:25<@jed>I like pancakes
18:26<Talman>Its not Mew. I think its a Jigglypuff.
18:26<Talman>But someone banned him before he could finish! So now, we'll never know.
18:26<Clorith>persians have rounded ears :s
18:26<Talman>Actually, doesn't ED have copypasta for pokemon?
18:26<@Perihelion>Norwegians have fail pokemanz skillz
18:26<@jed>ED has everything
18:26<@jed>it's the library of awesome
18:26<@Perihelion>or fail
18:26<Talman>Some dillhole actually made an ED article on one of my old clients.
18:26<@Perihelion>depends on who you ask
18:27<@jed>coincidentally, it's also what urmom gives me
18:27<Talman>Oh my God, I thought the world ended.
18:27<Talman>The guy is an FBI agent. He called the owner direct.
18:27<Talman>I didn't even know ED HAD an owner.
18:27<Talman>Like someone you could call up and go, "Hello, would you like a party van? Please remove this article. Thank you."
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18:45<Peng>BATMAN DOES
18:46<stefanie>not even Batman
18:46<@Perihelion>How do we know that?
18:46<Talman>Batman doesn't expect it.
18:46<Talman>He gets his ass kicked by it. He learns from the experience, comes back, and dismantles the entire damn thing.
18:47<Talman>They'll all be in Arkham by dinner.
18:47<stefanie>The Spanish Inquistion has the fanatical love of the Pope on their side
18:47<Talman>Batman has being Batman on his side.
18:47<Nivex>but we have urmom
18:47<Talman>He can breath in space.
18:48<stefanie>not even Superman can breathe in space
18:48<stefanie>and he
18:48<stefanie>is from a differnt planet
18:49<stefanie>of people that fly for the hell of it, can see through walls, and shoot laser beams from their eyes.
18:49<@jed>frickin' laser beams.
18:49<Peng>And sharks!
18:50<stefanie>Batman did have shark repellent in a can.
18:50<stefanie>That is definately handy
18:50<Peng>Yes, I've been meaning to get some.
18:51<TheJoe>ROBIN! Hand me the... bat....shark repellent!
18:51<Peng>It is impossible to repel batsharks.
18:51<@jed>if you stare at that URL for 20 minutes straight, you win a prize
18:53<@pparadis>that is a high quality website
18:53<linbot>New news from forums: Spam filter, false positive... Please help... in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
18:53<TheJoe>jed: Been there, done that
18:53<@Perihelion>jed: urnge
18:54<Peng>Any coupon codes?
18:55<dKingston>i love irssi.
18:55<dKingston>that is all
18:55<Peng>dKingston: irssi loves you too
18:55<stefanie>Riddler: You and your trained, exploding shark!
18:55<stefanie>Penguin: How was I to know they'd have a can of shark repellent Bat-spray handy?
18:57<Clorith>Who wants to help Perihelion fist me?
18:58<stefanie>Lord, I wish I hadn't read that...>.>
18:58<@jed>I'm glad I did...
18:59*jed walks away
18:59*Perihelion winks at jed
18:59<@Perihelion>Don't be afraid baby...we don't bite
18:59<Clorith>A little pain never hurt anyone ;)
19:00<TheJoe>00:00 < stefanie> Lord, I wish I hadn't read that...>.> <--- seconded
19:00<Clorith>We are officially the kinky couple now, peri <3
19:00<stefanie>Such smut you are subjecting my poor unborn child to.
19:01<@Perihelion>Oh survived phil so far didnt it?
19:01<G>Perihelion: so that means I can take off my kevlar suit?
19:01<@Perihelion>G: No you'd best keep that on
19:01<@pparadis>Perihelion: i was just gonna say something about that :)
19:01<stefanie>Perihelion: so true, so true
19:01<@Perihelion>sup dawg
19:03<@Perihelion>Chocolate and pepsi was a horrible idea
19:03<@Perihelion>why do you people let me do this
19:04<stefanie>sounds awesome, but then again I am pregnant
19:04<G>that said, I've done crazy stuff in my time too
19:04<@jed>put it through the blender
19:04<G>including seasoning my coffee :P
19:07<@Perihelion>Yeah I'm not pregnant and it sounded good
19:07<@Perihelion>immediate regret ftl
19:08<stefanie>poor thing
19:08<dKingston>the fuck
19:08<dKingston>libnotify was just leaking CPU
19:08<dKingston>it went totally sporadic on me
19:09<dKingston>Perihelion: you shouldn't listen to us :(
19:11<G>dKingston: nah nah nah... that should be "you SHOULD listen to us"
19:11<G>dKingston: then we can suggest even crazier stuff
19:12<dKingston>such as pop rocks and coke?
19:12<dKingston></lame joke>
19:12<G>dKingston: diet coke?
19:12<dKingston>oh god
19:12<dKingston>thats the worse thing you could possibly do
19:12<@Perihelion>i did mentos n pepsi
19:12<dKingston>with pop rocks
19:12<dKingston>use it with diet coke
19:13<G>dKingston: yeah?
19:13*G has never seen pop rocks , I'd imagine they are possible to get here, just haven't searched for 'em
19:13<G>Perihelion: eat some mentos then take a sip of pepsi?
19:14<dKingston>it wont work if you eat them
19:14<dKingston>you already destroyed the outer layer
19:14<@Perihelion>no it still hurts
19:14<dKingston>not as bad
19:14<dKingston>gas buildup will be significantly reduced
19:17<dKingston>Perihelion: if you swallow mentos like, whole
19:17<dKingston>and drink pepsi while it's going down
19:17<dKingston>then it will be bad
19:18<dKingston>dont try it
19:18<stefanie>then you can throw up the chocolate everyone wins
19:18*G will have to try that :P
19:18<TheJoe>dKingston: Myth
19:18<dKingston>G: please dont
19:19<dKingston>TheJoe: ..huh
19:19<TheJoe>dKingston: It's a myth
19:19<dKingston>mentos CAN have an explosive reaction
19:19<stefanie>Mythbusters did play around with it
19:19<dKingston>and it is true
19:19<dKingston>(if used with diet coke)
19:19<dKingston>i tried it myself
19:19<dKingston>in my mouth
19:19<dKingston>just... awful
19:19<TheJoe>I know it's explosive
19:19<TheJoe>But it's not going to kill you
19:20<bd_>yeah, but you don't really need to worry about it once it's in your stomach. Plenty of nucleation points on the way down, I'd think.
19:20<bd_>TheJoe: Well, it could, if it foams up in your windpipe
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19:20<TheJoe>And how likely is that?
19:20<G>yeah, you swallow and immediately take a swig of pepsi
19:20<bd_>Depends on if you inhale :)
19:20<stefanie>that rare on in a billion chance
19:20<G>errr diet coke
19:20<dKingston>diet coke is the worst
19:21<abysed>do not talk shit about my diet coke
19:21<dKingston>pepsi isn't even close to the amount of pressure generated by diet coke
19:21<dKingston>diet coke is bad for you anyway
19:21<dKingston>in fact
19:21<dKingston>most if not all sodas
19:21<G>dKingston: and takes disgusting
19:21<dKingston>use an ingredient used to take off car paint
19:21<dKingston>phosphorate something
19:21<stefanie>phosphoric acid
19:22<stefanie>carried in those large trucks with harzard sign on the side
19:22<TheJoe>I don't drink coke at all
19:22<bd_>it's all about concentration :)
19:22<dKingston>i drink organic soda
19:22<dKingston>it's far better
19:22<dKingston>FAR BETTER
19:22<dKingston>than any soda i've had (coke, pepsi, dr. pepper)
19:23<TheJoe>The only thing fizzy I have is lemonade
19:23<bd_>And the body does need phosphorus (for ADP synthesis!)
19:23<dKingston>but not too much
19:23<Talman>Do we need to get some Adam and Jamie footage up in here?
19:23<G>lately the only things I'm been drinking (fizzy) is Lemon Lime & Bitters, Ginger Beer, & Appletizer
19:23<bd_>dKingston: sure. it's all about concentration, as I said.
19:23<dKingston>MythBusters is my favorite show
19:23<TheJoe> How very Terry Gilliamesque
19:24<bd_>Even pure water will kill you if you drink too much
19:24<dKingston>it'll flush out your electrolytes
19:24<G>bd_: drowning :P
19:24<Talman>Water poisoning.
19:24<bd_>G: no, electrolyte imbalance as dKingston said
19:24<Talman>Or water intoxication.
19:24<Talman>Some chick died over a Wii due to that.
19:24<dKingston>what'll happen
19:24<bd_>G: it's happened with athletes before. They sweat out all their salt, drink lots of purified water, and collapse dead at the end of the race
19:24<G>bd_: iirc it is also possible to drown though, if you drink as much as possible quickly, but yes
19:25<Talman>How exactly are you going to drown?
19:25<bd_>and just about any acid will be shipped with tons of warning labels when transported in concentrated form
19:25<dKingston>first, what happens
19:25<Talman>That requires, by definition, water entering the lungs.
19:25<dKingston>you feel shaky and cold
19:25<dKingston>i think
19:25<bd_>even things like acetic acid, lactic acid, ascorbic acid
19:25<dKingston>then you feel incredibly dehydrated
19:25<dKingston>bd_: are you a biologist?
19:25<bd_>dKingston: No, I just browse wikipedia randomly at times :)
19:26<bd_>but yeah, just because SUPER CONCENTRATED phosphoric acid is a bit dangerous doesn't mean the dilute stuff is dangerous
19:26<dKingston>Talman: i dont think it was because of that
19:26<bd_>it doesn't mean it's -not- dangerous either though
19:26<dKingston>she held her piss back too long
19:27<dKingston>and it probably backed up back into her kidneys
19:27<dKingston>or, her bladder bursted
19:27<Talman>Hmm? Thought the official ruling from the ME was water intoxication leading to death.
19:27<dKingston>i dont remember
19:27<dKingston>to actually be water intoxicated
19:27<dKingston>you have to drink JUGS
19:27<dKingston>JUGS of water
19:28<bd_>dKingston: Certainly. But it happens.
19:28<Talman>Like in a contest on "who can drink the most water."
19:28<dKingston>i dont think she drank ~4 gallons
19:28<bd_>There's also the possibility of fluid overload
19:28<bd_>where the kidneys simply can't keep up
19:28<bd_>that's more a problem with IVs though
19:29*bd_ has been on an IV for surgery once - getting up every three hours to use the restroom while recovering from six hours of anaesthesia is not fun
19:30<Talman>Pee in the bucket.
19:30<dKingston>you know whats cool
19:30<Talman>peeing in a bucket?
19:30<dKingston>blowing up big blocks of ice
19:30<dKingston>with heat
19:30<@Perihelion>oh god...the pain
19:30<dKingston>you didn't do it
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19:31<stefanie>bet she did
19:31<bd_>dKingston: sodium.
19:31*dKingston facepalms
19:31<@Perihelion>no, butterfinger and pepsi from earlier
19:31<dKingston>bd_: some guy was eating salt
19:31<bd_>dKingston: I mean, sodium + ice
19:31<dKingston>bd_: o
19:31<Talman>real sodium.
19:31<dKingston>yeah, thats fun too
19:31<dKingston>bd_: i got bored and tried to sclup something out of ice
19:31<Talman>Remind, does elemental sodium react with air?
19:32<dKingston>using a blowtorch
19:32<stefanie>I'm Wilford Brimley and I want to talk to you about Diabetuse
19:32<bd_>Talman: It reacts with the oxygen in the air
19:32<bd_>and water vapor
19:32<SelfishMan>Talman: no, but it will react with the moisture in the air
19:32<bd_>so it's usually stored in oil
19:32<Randall>Haha, I remember why I stopped idling here
19:32<Randall>it's because I hilight on "randallman"
19:32<bd_>ah, it's kerosene?
19:32<bd_>that must make the eventual ignition even more fun
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19:32<SelfishMan>yeah, kerosene is preferred
19:33<dKingston>in case any of you want to try this
19:33<dKingston>do not go use a blowtorch outside on a windy day
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19:33<SelfishMan>nah, the sodium is too violent so kerosene doesn't get a chance to ignite
19:33<bd_>SelfishMan: That depends on how much sodium you have, surely.
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19:33<bd_>Although if you have that much sodium the trace amount of kerosene adhering to it is the least of your problems
19:33<SelfishMan>not really
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19:33<xentropy>I have a quick question about additional IP's with Linode. Can someone help me? :-)
19:34<SelfishMan>small amounts of sodium will produce a lot of heat but not enough to ignite kerosene. large amounts will produce enough heat but not for enough time
19:34*SelfishMan used to play with sodium a little too much
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19:34<dKingston>try putting potassium in water
19:34<dKingston>or rubidium
19:34*stefanie wants muffins now
19:35<dKingston>but be well protected
19:35<dKingston>i had muffins today
19:35<SelfishMan>Perihelion: pics or it didn't happen
19:35<Talman>Man, I just used to make bombs.
19:35<Talman>You people are creepy.
19:35<xentropy>If I have a slice in Atlanta, will I be able to purchase an additional ip at the UK datacenter?
19:35<Talman>If you have a slice in Atlanta, Slicehost is gonna wanna know how.
19:35<bd_>xentropy: ask the question or the discussion of explosive elemental metals will never stop ;)
19:35<bd_>oh, you did.
19:35<xentropy>@bd_ :-)
19:35<Talman>Now, if you got a linode in Atlanta...
19:35<@Perihelion>stefanie: We have tons!
19:35<bd_>xentropy: No, it has to be in the same DC. You can always get a second linode though
19:36<Talman>You'll need to move datacenters to London.
19:36<@Perihelion>But you gotta come get them im lazy as hell tbh
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19:36<stefanie>Perihelion: ;-; but...but want muffins
19:36<Talman>Who caters your muffins.
19:36<dKingston>Perihelion: what kind?
19:36<Talman>I want to know where my money is going.
19:36<dKingston>Talman: it's paying for your VPS
19:37<xentropy>@bd_ @Talman Ah, that sucks. Thanks for the help. I don't want to shell out $20 more / month.
19:37<dKingston>and muffinz
19:37<@Perihelion>dKingston: chocolate, blueberry, banana nut
19:37<Talman>No, its paying for muffins.
19:37<dKingston>but you still get a VPS
19:37<xentropy>Have a good night. Thanks again.
19:37<Talman>Otis Spunkmeyer?
19:37<dKingston>Perihelion: you have just listed my favorites
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19:37<Talman>I pretty much would have to consume one of each.
19:37<maushu>Guys, is upstart turned on by default on ubuntu?
19:37<Talman>As they are all good.
19:38<@Perihelion>Talman: yes
19:38<maushu>My upstart scripts didn't run when I rebooted my linode.
19:38<Talman>Does it keep you in your seats and working, Perihelion, these muffins?
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19:39<@Perihelion>clearly muffins warrant dancing
19:39*Perihelion pops and locks and ultimately displaces a hip in the process
19:39<Talman>Are you dancing during compiling?
19:39<dKingston>Perihelion: you guys get free muffins?
19:39<Talman>Its not that hard.
19:39<@Perihelion>dKingston: no?
19:40<Talman>I ... I would buy a 24 pack of muffins and set them out in the morning if I had W-2 employees in a central location.
19:40<Talman>They're cheap at Sams Club.
19:40<mangos>does lucid lynx packages work on hardy heron (ubuntu) ?
19:40<Talman>I would also throw muffins at anyone going, "I'm hungry."
19:42<dKingston>i'd buy linode some muffins
19:42<@Perihelion>Talman: thats where we got em!
19:42<@mikegrb>mmm cake
19:42<@Perihelion>dKingston: cake
19:42<@mikegrb>mmm cake
19:42<dKingston>cake it is
19:42<dKingston>what kind
19:42<@mikegrb>mmm cake
19:42<@Perihelion>linode needs CAKE
19:42<dKingston>ice cream?
19:43<Talman>You can buy a cake at Sams...
19:44<Flue>Hi everyone, I've just begun with my linode with no prior experience. I've setup a LAMP stack successfully, i think. I've followed the joomla tutorial, and as far as I can see all files are in the correct folder, the configuration.php file has been configured to write to. However, when ever i try to connect to my server through my sub domain it just displays the message it works, but no content has been added. I'm not sure what i've done wrong or where t
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19:44<Talman>The message is:
19:44<Talman>It works!
19:44<Talman>No other?
19:45<Talman>(Luckily, my entire business is Joomla)
19:45<Flue>It works [newline] this is the default webpage for the server [newline] the webserver software is running, but no content has been added yet.
19:46<Flue>Karmic Ubuntu
19:46<Talman>Ok. Where'd you install your joomla instance?
19:46<Talman>/var/www/... <- what?
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19:47<Flue>i installed it at /srv/www/
19:47<Flue>if it helps this message was displayed when i restarted my server: /etc/init.d/apache2 reload * Reloading web server config apache2 apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName ...done.
19:47<Talman>And apache's configuration files point to /srv/www/de...
19:47<Flue>restarted apache2 *sorry
19:48<Talman>My ubuntu points to /var/www/htdocs/ and expects everything to be in there, for example.
19:48<Flue>sorry, how do i check that?
19:49<Talman>Now I have to remember. :
19:49<Talman>Cause, honestly, I use webmin to manage this crap.
19:49<Talman>Someone nice tell this nice person how to tell where the root for apache is?
19:49<SirSquidness>go to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and edit the efault site in there
19:50<Talman>Ah, that's where it is!
19:50<Talman>Actually, I'd edit sites-available.
19:50<Talman>sites-enabled is usually a simlink in ubuntu.
19:50<Flue>wow, webmin looks nice. Think i'll follow tutorials for now though, seeing as i've already started. Definately gonna check that out.
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19:50<Talman>Secure it.
19:50<Talman>If you use it.
19:50<SirSquidness>Talman: either way, it will edit the file we want to edit, correct?
19:50<ttaylor>anybody else getting 403 Forbidden when trying to access
19:51<SirSquidness>ttaylor: yes
19:51<Talman>I think broke, they're working on it.
19:51<Talman>Perihelion is probably on the case while eating her muffins.
19:51<Flue>ok I have a file there called
19:51<Flue>looking through it now
19:52<Flue>everything looks ok
19:52<Flue>Can i check what the ServerName is suppose to be?
19:52<Flue>I think that might be the problem
19:52<@Perihelion>works for me
19:54<Flue>Joomla? Or the connection to
19:54<ttaylor>Perihelion, not for me at home, nor via my linodees.
19:54<mangos>anyone here ever install the latest varnish on ubuntu 8.04? 8.04 only has really old packages..
19:54<@Perihelion>I was talking to ttaylor and Talman
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19:54<dKingston>i am pissed off
19:54<Talman>Flue: that isn't Joomla.
19:54<dKingston>i spent 3 hours configuring arch linux the way i want on my laptop
19:54<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Using Postfix with Dovecot and MySQL on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) <> || Using SSL with Apache 2 on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) <> || Using SSL with Apache 2 on CentOS 5 <>
19:54<Talman>That's your webserver reading index.htm or index.html
19:55<dKingston>what happens *right when i'm updating the kernel*
19:55<Talman>Make sure there's no file with that name in your server root directory.
19:55<dKingston>so now, when i start it up, i get a nice panic message
19:55<Talman>Mmm, Gentoo derivative.
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19:55*dKingston smashes
19:55<@Perihelion>Someone published some stuffs.
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19:57<Flue>Talman when i click the links i get a 404 error found message
19:57<Flue>No worries, some reason some symbols were added on copy/paste ^^
19:57<@Perihelion>It's working for me from a few locations :/
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20:01<Talman>Flue: What links, what are you talking about? :)
20:01<Flue>just the ones from linbot
20:02<Flue>what does: ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName that mean though? When i restart apache
20:02<Flue>will that affect me trying to connect to it
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20:03<mdcollins>Talman> Mmm, Gentoo derivative. << referring to arch linux?
20:03<Talman>Isn't it built off Gentoo?
20:03<mdcollins>no, i dont believe so. it doesnt have all the packages that gentoo has.
20:04<SelfishMan>Perihelion: I'm still waiting for those muffin pics
20:04<mdcollins>its similar in the sense that arch does offer build from source, if the package isnt in the main repositories
20:05<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:05<SelfishMan>All I have is a two day old donut and a dr seuss cake. Muffins sound good right now.
20:05<Talman>Perihelion, just send him a stock pic of the box.
20:05<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:05<Talman>What's a dr. suess cake?
20:05<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:05<SelfishMan>Talman: a cake. with dr. seuss.
20:05<Talman>That almost sounds edible.
20:06<SelfishMan>actually it is the cat in the hat
20:06<tjfontaine>the cake in the hat?
20:06<SelfishMan>but the way it has been cut made the cat look like the dude from The Box
20:07<mdcollins>and actually, now that i think about it. ive run both arch and gentoo. they have no tools in common, so i very much doubt it.
20:08<Flue>does anyone know what : ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName means when i restart apache?
20:09<Flue>googles not very productive
20:10<Flue>If i remove the default-000 configuration in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled will that help?
20:10<@Perihelion>SelfishMan: pics wont sync :<
20:11<Talman>Perihelion, what are you using to take pics. :|
20:11<Talman>That you need to sync it.
20:11<SelfishMan>Perihelion: Now I want muffins. Damn you.
20:11<@Perihelion>my phone
20:11<@Perihelion>im lazy++ so they sync to dashwire
20:11<Talman>I have a blackberry, I just hit send.
20:11<stefanie>mmm muffins
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20:13<SelfishMan>oh, icky muffins
20:13<@Perihelion>that muffin was amazing
20:13<@Perihelion>as evidenced by the fact that it not longer exists!
20:13<SelfishMan>champagne comes in cans now?
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20:15<Flue>lol, I just hit refresh and it loaded up the joomla installation this time? Strange - But i'm not complaining. thanks for all your info talman and everyone else :)
20:15<mdcollins>thats crazy
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20:18<stefanie> <-look at this baby it is fat
20:19<mdcollins>oy.. that is fat.
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20:19<stefanie>and somehow cute
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20:20<Flue>lol, photoshop?
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20:20<stefanie>never doubt how much people feed their kids
20:20<mdcollins>id hope so.
20:20<amitz>stefanie++ for literal and symbolic meanings.
20:21<@Perihelion>If I ever have kids they'll be off the mcdonalds long before they get to that point
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20:21<mdcollins>for real.
20:21<mdcollins>thats dangerously fat..
20:22<Flue>Thats quite cruel to the children as a parent, to let them get that big to be honest.
20:22<amitz>unfortunatel, the norm here is to make your baby fatly cute like that, heh.
20:22<stefanie> <- like this kid
20:22<@Perihelion>yeah thats bad
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20:22<stefanie>those be some big rolls
20:23<Flue>Talman you use webmin or virtualmin?
20:23<Talman>Actually, I use ISPCOnfig since I resell hosting.
20:24<Talman>webmin is used as my 'why can't I trust this thing to work right?'
20:24<Talman>I don't use virtualmin.
20:25<Flue>kl kl
20:26<Flue>the hostname for joomla is localhost right?
20:26<MJCS>anyone havea good article on protecting against SQL injection?
20:28<Flue>not an article, a bit long winded: but you could look at WebGoat a insecure application which you can work through there SQLInjection tutorials, that seems ok, Although I haven't got that far in the tutorials yet. So not sure on content
20:28<Flue>THe ones i have done, i can vouch for though
20:28<MJCS>right now I am just using integers and converting everything to such. But i need to now filter some text. Thanks!
20:30<SelfishMan>MJCS: properly prepare the SQL statements and sanitize the input
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20:37<amitz>on a related note, I want to make a simple company website. Need something more secure, I can live with limited feature? What're linoders experience?
20:38<amitz>by default I'm falling to drupal despite it's bloatness.
20:39<dassouki>hey all, what would you suggest for a document manager
20:39<dassouki>mostly for my business needs
20:40<dassouki>i want to move all my documents from my pc to the server
20:40<dassouki>for accessibility
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20:48<metaperl>dassouki: I like google docs
20:48<metaperl>amitz: i like wordpress for building sites
20:48<metaperl>MJCS: what language are you using?
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20:51<dassouki>metaperl: can i use gogole docs just for hosting uploading and downloading files, are there any equivalent solutions
20:51<amitz>metaperl: noted.
20:52<amitz>dassouki: scribed, if I get scribed right.
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20:53<dassouki>amitz: umm scribed makes you share hte documents with others
20:53<dassouki>i wanted something for myself
20:53<dassouki>so i can work from work, home, or on the road
20:53<Peng>scp + a Linode!? :D
20:54<MetaCosm>dassouki, what is wrong with google docs for that?
20:54<dassouki>MetaCosm: silly reason, but the free wifi isp downtown has it blocked
20:55<dassouki>so if i'm working from a coffee shop
20:55<dassouki>i won't be able to access it
20:55<MetaCosm>dassouki, not entirely goofy, but why the heck do they block it?
20:55<Flue>Linode only offers a maxmimum of 2 IP's, if you want to host multiple websites on your linode, say if people pay you to make them websites, will they allow you to have more?
20:55<dassouki>Flue: you can have 50 sites on it
20:55<dassouki>all you have to do is redirect them to the site
20:55<MetaCosm>Flue, #1. Is that really correct? #2. Even if it was, couldn't you just vhost?
20:55<dassouki>Flue: consult the library
20:56<dassouki>MetaCosm: not sure, really, they've got it and flicker blocked
20:56<dassouki>i know
20:56<MetaCosm>can you use hulu or youtube from it?
20:56<dassouki>youtube yes
20:56<dassouki>never tried hulu
20:57<dassouki>the problem is its freewife
20:57<MetaCosm>so, not a bandwidth issue
20:57<dassouki>but it's shared for government employees as well
20:57<dassouki>so i think they block govenment employees from going on gmail/docs and flicker
20:58<LordMetroid>This is cool
20:59<dassouki>so back to my original question ... what would you suggest for a freelancer (non programming/graphic design) to host his work files on linode
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21:00<dassouki>for accessibility
21:00<dassouki>collaboration and document tracking and revision
21:01<metaperl>dassouki: just type those terms into google, along with open source or free and see what comes up... that's what I always do
21:01<metaperl>dhoss: he said non-programmer
21:01<dhoss>you don't have to be a programmer to use git
21:02<dassouki>metaperl: nothing really came up .. tried zimbra and obm
21:02<dassouki>didn't like either
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21:02<amitz>git is intimidating
21:02<metaperl>dassouki: google docs allows all that --- just bind google apps to your domain name for mail and documents and you're done
21:02<jkwood>git is dead simple.
21:02<dassouki>would git work on docx?
21:02<dassouki>never knew that
21:02<jkwood>Git will work on any file.
21:02<dassouki>even engineering drawings
21:03<jkwood>As long as they're in a digital format.
21:04<metaperl>google docs is simpler ... and microsoft is releasing a web version of their office suite soon
21:04<metaperl>then there's zoho office suite, etc
21:05<amitz>dassouki: oh, you can't limit sharing of scribed just for yourself? I see.
21:05*jkwood wanders off to play video games
21:06<amitz>dassouki: I see, I thought you wanted a place to host your files and read them online (which would make git ineligible)
21:07<metaperl>google apps gives you calendar, docs, email... cant beat it :)
21:07*metaperl steps down from soapbox
21:07<jkwood>amitz: Check out for a rebuttal of that notion.
21:07<amitz>metaperl: of course unless you're those freaks who use formula and macro extensively ;-)
21:07*jkwood wanders off for real this time
21:07<Flue>hehe excuse my stupid questions, they only do allow 2 ip maximum, but using what you guys said, it looks like i can have many more sites, i'll have to cross that bridge when i get there :) thanks
21:08<Solver>Flue: you can put many sites on 1 IP unless you're using SSL
21:08<Solver>and I understand moreIPS can be granted if justified
21:09<Flue>thanks solver
21:09<amitz>jkwood: I don't really understand the relevance between my notion and that link btw..
21:09<Solver>Flue: if you want to run lots of sites on one IP read up on 'Name Virtual Hosting'
21:10<amitz>jkwood: you still need another layer to make the file openable by the webserver and displayed to you.
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21:11<dassouki>amitz: any drawbacks to using google docs .. some projects I do have government data on them
21:12<Solver>well any time you put data on a system owned/controlled by someone else they can potentially peak at the data, without detection
21:12<Solver>but then sysadmins can do that even if the system is inhoue
21:12<amitz>dassouki: some advance-ly configured files are not openable (well) using google docs.
21:12<metaperl>dassouki: who do you get domain name service with? I get free google apps with --- it was so easy to setup my mom with a wordpress site and then use google mail to handle email for her site... and of course she has google docs if she wants it
21:13<metaperl>otherwise setting up email requires using postfix, or exim or something crazy like that
21:13<dassouki>i'm doing email through squirrel, and domain setup through ispconfig on my linode
21:13<Flue>I get my free subdomain from , they also do paid domain names.
21:13<dassouki>i like atmail, I tried it a few times
21:14<dassouki>I might switch to it
21:14<dassouki>I'm gonna format my linode partition
21:14<dassouki>and thinking about partitioning it and having one partition running uubntu 8.04 .. with zimbra on it
21:14<dassouki>and then the other partition
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21:14<dassouki>will have my docs
21:14<dassouki>perhaps through ssl
21:14<dassouki>not sure yet
21:15<dassouki>my whole point is i want to do things once.
21:15<dassouki>so I'm taking my time in the planning stage
21:17<amitz>dassouki: I guess just stick to standard tool so that can change your configurations easily if an unexpected need arises.
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21:17<amitz>a.k.a don't write any program ;-)
21:18<dassouki>amitz: ooh I won't .. but I'd like to get this out of the way so my maintanance time is minimal
21:18<dassouki>google apps sound promissing
21:18<Flue>Anyone know where to access Global Component settings in Joomla?
21:18<dassouki>but i'd rather maintain everything
21:18<dassouki>Flue: go to freenode and ask in #joomla .. or
21:18<amitz>Plue... pointy drilly nose.. :-D
21:19<amitz>just remember of a creature named Plue.
21:19<amitz>nothing beats plain old ftp.
21:19*amitz ducks :-p
21:20<dassouki>amitz: that's what i used for a while to transfer all my files up and down
21:21<amitz>dassouki: and people here are ready to scorn on ftp. :-)
21:21<dassouki>amitz: then use sftp
21:21<Flue>ty dassouki
21:21<amitz>anyway, git (or any other source versioning) is worth to learn.
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21:22<amitz>git is a bit more powerful it seems.
21:24<amitz>specifically the bisect thingie.
21:24<dassouki>what do you mean to bisect things
21:24<dhoss>read up on it
21:24<dhoss>it's sorta hard to explain
21:25<dassouki>cool i wonder if i can partition an existing partition without formatting ... trying
21:29<Solver>you could repartition the space but it would splat the filesystem in it unless you shrunk it first (to a sufficiently small size)
21:29<Solver>some filesystems do not shrink
21:33<amitz>Solver: unfortunately. I'm stuck with XFS and plenty of small files, whereas XFS sucks at small files. :-(
21:34<amitz>can't do the shrinking this, create a new one, move a bit of files, shrinking this, expand the new one, move a bit of files, repeat.
21:34<Solver>amitz: have you looked at optimisations for XFS?
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21:35<Solver>it has a lot of knobs to twiddle
21:35<amitz>oh? hmm.. not yet. Let see...
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21:35<Solver>that's just some stuff I put together after a bit of RTFM. it is by no means the end of optimisation for XFS
21:36<Solver>if you have decent ram a lot of these are no brainers
21:37<Solver>overall I like XFs
21:37<Solver>one small but annoying problem is that you can't dump an unmounted filesystem
21:38<Solver>whereas with most *nix filesystems you can dump them when unmounted
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21:40<amitz>Solver: I can't dump XFS even when unmounted. hmm, I probably misunderstood the meaning of dump? You mean I can't mount the test.img resulting from "cat /dev/hda1 > test.img" where hda1 is xfs?
21:40<amitz>s/misunderstood/don't understand/
21:40<dassouki>i thought google apps was free lol
21:41<amitz>dassouki: google apps is free. Choose the standard edition :-)
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21:41<Solver>amitz: 'dump' is a type of backup utility
21:41<Solver>amitz: for xfs it is called xfsdump
21:41<amitz>ooh, I see.
21:42<Solver>that's the recommended tool for backing up xfs although lots of others work fine of course
21:42<Solver>dump utilities have a number of characteristics which set them apart from other backup utils
21:42<Solver>10 levels of backups, they tend to be faster than the alternatives too
21:43<dassouki>ugh but i was looking for outlook and blackberry synch
21:43<dassouki>and it's a lot cheaper than zimbra
21:43<sundaymorning>hello, I have a node and I want to pay for one year with it (after having it for half a month). All I can see is a "make a payment" option, but all I can do there is type a value it seems. How does it work?
21:44<Solver>sundaymorning: guys with ops here are Linode employees. one of them is usually around
21:44<amitz>10 levels of backup? O_o. hmm let me just google ;-)
21:44<Solver>amitz: :)
21:46<bd_>sundaymorning: If you want to go to annual payments, put in a ticket and they'll take care of it
21:46<bd_>just paying ahead won't do the discount thing
21:47<sundaymorning>yes, that was my concern
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21:57<amitz>sundaymorning: if you can afford to drop all data on your current linode, you can just delete your linode then recreate it with an annual payment.
21:58<amitz>sundaymorning: no need to wait for admin ;-)
21:58<sundaymorning>I rather wait for the admin :)
21:59<amitz>sundaymorning: in case your case is just like mine ;-)
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22:00<amitz>woah, double cases.
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22:00<Peng>You don't need to drop your data to do that -- create a new node, copy your disk images, swap your old IP over.
22:00<Peng>Obviously it's silly to do that instead of just waiting for a ticket, though. Billing's not urgent.
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22:09<amitz>hmm an alternative way to build your credit limit?... ;-). Assuming they weight on value charged, not value payed...
22:09<dassouki>I think i screwed up my email postfix installation
22:09<dassouki>ios there a way
22:09<dassouki>to remove all the package configuraiton
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22:14<Peng>dassouki: apt-get/aptitude purge?
22:15<Peng>dassouki: Not that that's necessarily a good idea. :)
22:16<dassouki>in postfix, can i have settings for two different mail severs
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22:23<Flue>hmm, guys would the command "chmod 777 params.ini" make the file in the current directory called params.ini writable?
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22:24<amitz>yes, assuming the parent directories way to the up are all accessible.
22:24<amitz>all the way
22:24<Flue>do i have to cd .. to each one and make it writable?
22:25<Flue>its still not accessible after that command
22:25<TristanB>my linode might be DDOS or ping flooded is there any way to secure against that. and is there a policy against this.
22:25<@Perihelion>If the ddos is bad enough we may open a ticket letting you know
22:26<amitz>Flue: IIRC you just need to make the parents executable/readable.
22:26<TristanB>is there a way to stop it?
22:26<@Perihelion>If it's bad enough the IP will be nullrouted
22:26<Flue>giving it a go now :)
22:26<@Perihelion>At which point we open the ticket letting you know :P
22:26<TristanB>is there a way to make it so accessive ping attacks will be autobanned (the IP)
22:27<TristanB>this person has a linode as well
22:27<@Perihelion>stefanie: Win
22:27<@Perihelion>TristanB: If they're ddosing you with a linode please provide us logs...:o
22:28<TristanB>i'm not
22:28<stefanie>Perihelion: Stumbl win
22:28<dassouki>anyone familiar with ispconfig "?
22:28<TristanB>is there a way to prevent accessive pinging to my linode?
22:28<@Perihelion>You could set up firewall rules
22:28<TristanB>like, ban there IP after a certain number of pings in a certain number of seconds
22:28<bd_>TristanB: You can't prevent people from sending you packets. You can, however, limit what you'll respond to.
22:28<TristanB>give me an example Perihelion
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22:29<Peng>Flue: Why are you making a file world-writable? That is a terrible, terrible idea.
22:29<TristanB>i just meant like if I'm getting ping flooded, i want to ban them from my linode. is there a way to do that in simple. sorry to seem so simplistic here
22:29<savant>hi all. i installed ruby according to the library article, yet doing "require 'sqlite3-ruby'" inside of irb gives me LoadErrors. Any hints as to why this is happening?
22:29<dassouki>i'm wondering how to setup atmail to work on ispconfig
22:29<Flue>How i make it writable just to joomla?
22:29<Peng>savant: Did you install sqlite3-ruby?
22:30<Flue>What is default writable as well, the number
22:30<savant>that gives me an error
22:30<TristanB>Perihelion: i just meant like if I'm getting ping flooded, i want to ban them from my linode. is there a way to do that in simple. sorry to seem so simplistic here
22:30<savant>tells me i am missing headers...
22:31<Peng>Flue: Use chown to change it to the user and/or group used by Joomla and then make it writable by that user and/or group (e.g. chown 664 params.ini).
22:31<Peng>Flue: Ideally you wouldn't have to give Joomla write access to it at all, though.
22:31<TristanB>I guess there isn't
22:31<@Perihelion>TristanB: Do you have iptables installed?
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22:31<TristanB>yes I do
22:31<TristanB>Perihelion yeah I do
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22:32<Solver>TristanB: you can block any packets you want with your firewall
22:32<savant>hmmm, installing sqlite3 works just fine though.
22:33<Flue>Thanks Peng, Going to try it now. Joomla will not allow me to change any template parameters unless it can write to params.ini in the template folder
22:33<TristanB>Solver: can you give me an example how to block a ping attack, autoban the IP, or something... i'm getting threatened that someone migh tping-flood my linode box, so..
22:34<Solver>do you have a firewall ruleset already?
22:35<Solver>here is an example ruleset I whipped up for someone a few weeks ago
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22:35<Flue>Omg i've been a real idoit
22:35<Solver>I'm going to do a better one
22:35<Flue>now i can't even access my site :s
22:35<Flue>or admin lol
22:35<Flue>its all a learning curve: sorry about the spam but can anyone tell me how to undo this list of commands which i just executed and made my admin/site unaccessible
22:36<Flue>root@localhost:/srv# chmod 777 /srv/www/
22:36<Flue>i've done that for every single folder up the heirachy
22:36<Flue>so for / and /srv and /www
22:36<Flue>then i changed it to
22:36<Flue>664 for every single folder up the hierachy
22:36<amitz>Solver: practical links, accessible from your fingertips ;-)
22:37<Solver>TristanB: as for a rule to block ping you could try something like:
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22:37<TristanB>too alte. my linodes down.
22:37<TristanB>too late
22:37<amitz>Flue: woah, your shouldn't chmod 777 to all.
22:38<TristanB>its been ping flooded already
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22:38<Solver>iptables -A FW-EXT -p icmp --icmp-type 8 -j DROP-LOG
22:38<Solver>as part of the ruleset
22:38<Solver>TristanB: I wouldn't be too worried about a ping flood from a single host :)
22:38<amitz>Flue: the application may have a safety feature kick in. It refuses to work if you set everything (relevant to it) to 777.
22:38<Flue>amitz i realise that now lol, bit late though. i've got 664 to everything now. not sure what i should do
22:39<Flue>anyway of changing it back to the defaults they were at?
22:39<Flue>the ones that worked, hehe
22:39<amitz>Flue: the 664 is not to be applied to all to. I recommend to be carefult before applying unqualified instructions.
22:39<Solver>TristanB: part of the problem is that the packets in the ping flood will still reach you, although at least your box won't respond
22:40<amitz>I mean, 664 is not the defaults.
22:40<TristanB>well its being pin gflooded right now, i can't even reach ssh.
22:40<amitz>to all.
22:40<Solver>TristanB: are you sure it is a ping flood?
22:40<Flue>damm wikipedia, can you tell me the defaults amitz? or a link anywhere?
22:41<Solver>if they are attacking you from many hosts then you can officially call it a DDoS if you can't each your box via ssh
22:41<Solver>TristanB: know how to use the linode console?
22:41<Solver>that will get you in
22:42<TristanB>how can i prevent this kind of stuff from happening blah
22:43<Solver>try to figure out what sort of traffic is coming at you
22:43<charlie>mwalling, congrats on the imac
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22:44<Solver>tshark will show you this but you need to understand networking to understand the output
22:44<Solver>(or show it to us) :)
22:44<Solver>Linode may actually be able to block upstream although I've never asked them to do it
22:44<Solver>easier if you can tell them what to block
22:44<Flue>I'm googling about and it says chmod is a powerful command, no traces are kept, only way is a reinstall?
22:44<mwalling>charlie: <3 :)
22:45<Flue>No way of solving it without reinstalling?
22:45<mwalling>my current machine is a 64bit, single core sempron, 80gb hdd, broken dvd drive, and 512 ram.
22:45<mwalling>i'm looking forward to a real machine.
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22:46<Flue>get a nice i7, new nvidia graphics card coming out soon, sli it up, ten stick in some lovely dimms, overclock to the max and voila, oo i forgot the RAID sold states
22:46<Flue>I thnk i'd swap my girlfriend that that. . .
22:46<charlie>mwalling, Oh boy, yeah I see where you're coming from
22:46<charlie>my previous laptop was an iBook G4, 1.33GHz processor, originally 512MB of ram
22:47<mwalling>oh, this is my first mac too :
22:47<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:47<mwalling>OH, the icing on the cake
22:47<Flue>same :)
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22:47<BBHoss>Flue: AMD has the best cards of the "next" generation
22:47<BBHoss>nvidia flopped
22:47<Solver>mikegrb: if someone was under a DDoS and wanted Linode to block packets upstream what is the procedure? A support request I guess
22:47<Solver>and no it isn't me :)
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22:48<mwalling>i have no network drop in this room (we switched rooms around), so instead of running another drop (no interior walls that would be good for putting a box in), i'm running through an xover cable to my eeepc
22:48<Flue>but ATI's crossfire is shocking, it was originally made for aeroplanes, which is good if you have anything from 40+ graphics cards otherwise theres too many splits that aren't dynamic and just chug away at having to be synchronised
22:48<Flue>Nvidia's SLI technology is much more efficient imo
22:49<maushu>You obviously don't have enough aeroplanes.
22:49<mwalling>meh, i have an account on the BG/L and BG/P machines at BNL. i pwn all of you GPU wackers
22:49<BBHoss>i only have airplanes
22:50<Solver>aeroplanes only fly in England
22:50*mwalling goes in search of the corkscrew to celebrate
22:50<Flue>so we all in unison that i must reroll my unix and do all tutorials again? cause i stuffed up the chmod command?
22:50<Flue>no one offering a quick fix at all?
22:50<Flue>I'll perform sexual favours?
22:50<mwalling>Flue: ask straterra
22:51<mwalling>Flue: make sure you reiterate the sexual favors part
22:51<Flue>gonna ask her in a private chat window then
22:51<Flue>oo the shame
22:52<Flue>her as in him/her not actually sure ^^
22:52<dassouki>i wonder how can i configure atmail to work on my existing email system
22:53<quantum>Flue: straterra is a he
22:53<quantum>according to the whois atleast
22:54<Flue>whois straterra
22:54<quantum>Flue: you need a "/" in front
22:54<Solver>busted :)
22:55<Flue>he seems afk
22:55<Flue>or hes watching this channel and has selective typing abilities
22:55<@tasaro>Solver: support ticket and the IP gets null routed
22:55<quantum>Flue: probably currently offering his services to others
22:56<TristanB>i'm back. who seems afk.
22:56<Solver>tasaro: ah cool. TristanB seems to be under a DDoS based on his description
22:56<TristanB>i'm under a ddos atttack i think
22:56<@tasaro>you think?
22:57<Battousai>tasaro, stick your finger in his ethernet port and find out
22:57<TristanB> i run a mud on my linode. i a mable to connect to my mud, but it doesnt' even show the logi nscreen. is that a symptom of a ddos atack? just to note, i can't even connect through normal ssh, I had to use lish.
22:58<Solver>Battousai: ;)
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22:59<amitz>Flue: reinstall is the best option unless you screw up the chmod, that is you forget to set -R.
22:59<RyanSmith>We are friends of Tristan, and fellow Linux admins.
22:59<Flue2>amitz do you mean if i screw up chmod? or reinstall unless i used chmod in which case i can do something else?
23:00<@tasaro>TristanB: what is your Linode name?
23:00*Solver is watching American History X finally. good movie
23:00<TristanB>tasaro: Do yo umean the linodes ame, or the address.
23:00<Flue2>Awesome movie
23:00<mwalling>TristanB: either will work
23:00<@tasaro>either -- something I can locate your Linode with
23:00<TristanB>tasaro: The name as in what shows up in my linode manager?
23:00*mwalling hads tasaro a garmin
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23:01<Flue2>woop woop, brb
23:01<TristanB>My linode's name is TrekGames
23:01-!-Flue [] has joined #linode
23:01<TristanB>Let me get the IP.
23:01<Flue>right - well looks like i'll reinstall then
23:02<TristanB>My linode...
23:02<Flue>glad i picked linode for my first remote server, you're all very helpful here :)
23:02<mwalling>Flue: and linode has lish
23:02<TristanB>yes, lish rocks
23:02<Solver>yes a remote console is invaluble
23:02<mwalling>Flue: and someone else to monitor and manage the hardware
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23:02<RyanSmith>Linode is the best VPS
23:02<@tasaro>TristanB: Free swap = 0kB
23:02<TristanB>agreed ryan
23:02<mwalling>bargin basement dedicated providers cant do that :P
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23:03<JoeK>so, does the "network summary" b/w usage in a linode's page not matter anymore?
23:03<JoeK>its the b/w pool that counts?
23:03<TristanB>tasaro: uh?
23:03<@caker>JoeK: pretty much
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23:03<@tasaro>it's still useful, no?
23:04<Flue> hey a systems admin paid quite well according to itjobswatch
23:04<area8>Hey. Having a problem hopefully someone can solve. I have a directory in my www folder. Im trying to do an fopen with PHP but get a failed to open stream: Permission denied error. I made it 777 and assigned www-data as the user/group for the folder I want to open
23:04<area8>anything im missing?
23:04<JoeK>Flue: then im not a good systems admin
23:04<JoeK>i get *no* potential customers
23:04<guinea-pig>777?! hssssssss
23:04<TristanB>tasaro: I can't use my linode. No. Its... being attacked. lol
23:04<Solver>Flue: good sysadmins gert paid quite well :)
23:05<area8>guinea-pig - Only 777 umntil i figure out why i cant write to it
23:05<RyanSmith>If they can find a place to get paid. I bet you can probably do better with a CS degree.
23:05<Flue>I'm studying CS atm
23:05<Flue>i'm enjoying it
23:05<MikeF>me too
23:05<@tasaro>TristanB: you're not being attack via a network ddos, if that's what you think
23:05<Solver>a degree is the foot in the door
23:06<TristanB>tasaro: Do you have any idea what it is?
23:06<RyanSmith>A really cool subject, CS. I'm looking into compression algorithms right now.
23:06<@tasaro>TristanB: you're out of memory
23:06<tjfontaine>the memory, she's a gone
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23:07<area8>Any body?
23:07<TristanB>tasaro: I believe he launched the ping flood attack from the localhost. could you try and kill it or something? I'm really not sure
23:07<Flue>nice, i'm doing image processing atm, segmentation, classification, etc
23:07<JoeK>the localhost - he has access to your machine?
23:07<Solver>yeah I was about to exclaim :)
23:07<TristanB>JoeK: He hacked it apparently
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23:08<JoeK>go into your panel and shut down your linode
23:08<guinea-pig>then hit the shutdown, and begin reparations
23:08<Flue>does anyone else use webmin here?
23:08<JoeK>change your root password then, and start it
23:08<JoeK>if he damaged your FS, run the emergency FS (forgot the name here)
23:08<TristanB>JoeK: I did that this morning, but Ok.
23:09<JoeK>that should gain you access (temperary in worst case)
23:09<Solver>recommended practice is to restore from a known good backup in the face of a break in (or rebuild)
23:09<Solver>you can never be sure if backdoors were put in
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23:09<Solver>TristanB: so you knew he'd broken in?
23:09<mwalling>it is a dos, but its not a network dos, you dossed yourself
23:09<TristanB>its a loacl dos
23:09<TristanB>local dos
23:10<JoeK>id say forkbomb
23:10<TristanB>its... an LDOS attack, lol
23:10<Solver>TristanB: :)
23:10<TristanB>han gon
23:10<mwalling>how does a "ping flood" cause an OOM?
23:10<TristanB>hang on going to reboot mister linode here..
23:10<Solver>TristanB: btw how do you know there was a break in?
23:11<Solver>TristanB: did he say so, or did you see his activity on the box, or... ?
23:11<TristanB>Solver: He told me, odd enough.
23:11<Flue>to reroll do i just delete the two Images under DIsk Images or the Configuration Profile as well?
23:11<TristanB>Solver: This guy.. is strange
23:12<Solver>TristanB: are you sure it is true?
23:12<TristanB>Solver: pretty sure, yeah
23:12<Solver>get control of the box back and install rkhunter
23:12<Solver>and run it
23:12<Solver>it scans for vectors for breakins
23:12<TristanB>solv: what does tha tdo
23:12<TristanB>what does that do
23:13<Solver>so it will show you if a known rootkit has been installed
23:13<Peng>You should, of course, run it from Finnix.
23:13<TristanB>my linode is having trouble to shut down
23:13<Solver>chkroothit is another tool that does does similar checks
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23:14<Solver>Peng has a good point as the local system may be compromisd (depending on how good they are)
23:14<TristanB>this is bad. it s not shutting down. litterally. could one of the linode admins here do a force shutdown or something
23:14<nb>TristanB, login to lish and type destroy
23:14<nb>thats a hard shutdown
23:15<Solver>TristanB: you can do it from the management gui
23:15<TristanB>it finally shut down
23:16<Solver>so yes you could boot Finnix and scan the system from there
23:16<TristanB>what is finnnux
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23:16<RyanSmith>recovery distro
23:16<Solver>a small distro available for emergency boots
23:16<RyanSmith>it's only like 100 megs
23:17<TristanB>i sthat even available on linode
23:17<TristanB>is that
23:17<magcius>hmm... is there any reason I can't run static binaries?
23:17<MJCS>what is the best way to protect yourself from a sql injection attack if you are reading a variable from a url, lets say "tag=memory" and inserting that into a sql statement as variable?
23:17<TristanB>finnix isn't even on linode
23:18<Peng>Yes it is.
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23:18<TristanB>where is it
23:18<chesty>ubuntu isn't even on linode
23:18<Peng>It's not one of the deployable distros -- create a new configuration profile, and use the Finnix kernel/initrd/first disk image options (and mount your image(s) as well.)
23:18<Peng>!library Finnix
23:18<linbot>Peng: 1. Using the Finnix Recovery LiveCD ( - 2. Copying a Disk to a Separate Linode Account ( - 3. Running a Custom Linux Distro on a Linode VPS (
23:19<MJCS>finnix is a godsend when you royaly fuck up
23:19<JoeK>what is "reverse" short for?
23:20<chesty>going forward backwards
23:20<JoeK>i heard somebody say "reverseation" or something
23:22<Flue>wicked, well its rerolled, thats a good start, i suppose. Will do them all again tomorrow. need my beauty sleep now, nite nite all ;)
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23:27<ang_>was atlanta22 replaced by atlanta47 or did i get migrated somehow?
23:27<amitz>ang did it.
23:28<Peng>ang_: You coulda been migrated. Check your support ticket history.
23:28*Peng shrugs.
23:28<Peng>Or maby atlanta22 exploded and they swapped the disks. I dunno.
23:28<amitz>Peng_ knows.
23:29<ang_>i never requested a migration and never got any emails :)
23:29<amitz>btw, in case it should be said, it was a joke :-)
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23:30<amitz>..I have a baaad feeling about the ping timeout.
23:30<magcius>Peng: is there any reason I can't run static binaries?
23:30<magcius>Peng: I get a "no such file or directory" error
23:30<amitz>magcius: nope. Just not pretty.
23:31<magcius>but the file definitely exists
23:31<sundaymorning>magcius: check if it is 32 bits and you're trying to run in a 64bits environment
23:31<sundaymorning>if so, install the 32bit libc
23:32<Peng>Peng knows nothing.
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23:32<Peng>Seriously, Peng is writing an email right now extolling how little he knows.
23:33<amitz>Peng is just a puppet to Peng_. Of course Peng doesn't know shit.
23:33<sundaymorning>magcius: $ file binary should tell you if it is 32-bit binary
23:33<amitz>Peng: and please drop the act. Don't pretend to have any sort of intelligence.
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23:36<Peng_>Erk, crap, that IRC bot I gave Peng keeps getting out of control...
23:36<Peng_>I think I should kill it in case it becomes Skynet.
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23:37<Solver>Peng_: Research has apparently shown that experts underestimate their knowledger relative to others, while clueless people overestimate their knowledge (the latter seems obvious)
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23:38<Peng>Solver: Yeah, I know. I'm in between -- I know enough to know that I know nothing. :P
23:38<Solver>Peng: ;)
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23:39<amitz>Solver: cue to head exploding statements ;-)
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23:41<Solver>amitz: :)
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23:55<dassouki>i followed laura's comment in but i still can't get it to redirect
23:58<amitz>dassouki: if you configure it properly, it will take some time. And IIRC, you need to also set up the google apps from the google side.
23:58<dassouki>amitz: done the google side
23:58<amitz>praise me caker.
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