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---Logopened Sat Mar 06 00:00:45 2010
00:03<stefanie>Today I single handedly put together a bookcase, and a dinette set. Well almost single handedly. Phil put the seats on the chairs.
00:03<stefanie>Still I am awesome
00:04<stefanie>Tomorrow I tackle a crib, and changing table.
00:05<jkwood>You should avoid tackling things in your condition.
00:05<stefanie>What if I do it carefully?
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00:06<jkwood>Well, just be sure to wear a helmet.
00:06<jkwood>And videotape it for Youtube.
00:07<jkwood>Well, I suppose you usually do pay more for that kind of action.
00:08<stefanie>I know not what you speak of.
00:09<jkwood>Pregnant women tackling things while wearing a helmet is a very hot market right now.
00:10<stefanie>the keychain looks like a vagoo.
00:12<jkwood>The pixie dust charm is also a bit disturbing.
00:12<stefanie>It's a sparklesnatch!
00:16<jcy`>you claim it looks like vag and yet it's called rosebud
00:17<stefanie>It does.
00:17<stefanie>or the inside of one, depends on how technical you want to be
00:18<jkwood>jcy`: Disney artists have never been too good at anatomy.
00:18<stefanie>They did draw penises on the front of the original Little Mermaid VHS.
00:19<stefanie>Incorporated it into the palace.
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00:25<SelfishMan>jkwood: I've found them to be very good at anatomy
00:25<SelfishMan>problem is they don't know where to put the parts of anatomy that they draw
00:25<stefanie>They are good at drawing boobs.
00:25<stefanie>No one can deny that
00:27<jkwood>I don't know what you'retalking about.
00:28<Solver>there's a story that Kevin Costner has really expensive gill make up on for Water World
00:28<Solver>but it turned out to look just little bit too much like another part of anatomy to be allowed on film
00:28<Solver>so they airbrushed the lot out
00:29<Solver>those people really know how to waste money
00:31<SelfishMan>yes, waterworld still holds a record for amount of money wasted with zero revenue
00:37<jcy`>i thought they broke even on waterworld
00:37<SelfishMan>not even close
00:38<SelfishMan>unless that is a recent change
00:38<SelfishMan>Waterworld had to sell better than Jurassic Park (first one) just to break even
00:38<jcy`>oh looks like it lost ~$100M
00:39<SelfishMan>Coming in at around $175 million US dollars, "Waterworld" returned $88 million US dollars in domestic release.
00:39<SelfishMan>ha ha ha ha
00:40<jcy`>oh wait, wikipedia says it made $176M in foreign BO
00:40<jcy`>so w/ dvd sales, it probably broke even
00:41<SelfishMan>really? You think people actually bought the DVD?
00:41<SelfishMan>did you see the movie?
00:41<jcy`>yeah i think i saw it on cable
00:42<jcy`>i remember that it had the same actress from miller's crossing, who i liked
00:42<SelfishMan>Honestly, I would rather watch spend eternity watching Crossroads than watch Waterworld a second time
00:42<stefanie>The Dark Crystal
00:42<stefanie>is a strange movie
00:43<SelfishMan>and I'm not talking about the good Crossroads
00:43<SelfishMan>no, I mean the Britney Spears one
00:44<jkwood>Hubba hubba
00:44<SelfishMan>only for the first 2 minutes and then it just wasn't worth it
00:44<SelfishMan>that was before she turned into whatever the hell she is now
00:46<stefanie>lol at the chubby person
00:47<jtsage>stefanie - if you find that one odd, re-watch (or watch) labyrinth
00:47<stefanie>I love Labyrinth!
00:47<stefanie>David Bowie ftw
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00:48<mtx_init>Can I ask why the 64bit centos image doesnt have things like man or yum installed by default?
00:49<jcy`>yum isn't installed on centos?
00:49<Peng>Linode has very minimal images. It should have SSH, a shell and a package manager, which is enough.
00:50<jkwood>yum is the package manager.
00:50<jkwood>man is less surprising, I don't think anything ahs that.
00:50<jcy`>i'd be shocked if yum was left out of the linode image
00:50<mtx_init>jcy`: I just tried a fresh install, both man and yum were not there
00:51<mtx_init>I could br wrong
00:51<jcy`>wow, are you absolutely sure?
00:51<jcy`>i don't know myself, i'm running 32bit centos and it was there
00:51<mtx_init>i am likly wrong then
00:51<mtx_init>maybe its just not in the path
00:51*jkwood wonders how many people have actually tried the 64-bit Centos image
00:51<jcy`>did you sudo or su -
00:52<mtx_init>im in as root right now
00:52<jcy`>well i think you can put in a ticket, they usually respond incredibly fast
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00:54<jkwood>At this point, I suspect you'll need to use curl or wget to download an rpm, and work from there.
00:54<jcy`>i had to do yum install wget though hah
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00:55<jkwood>In that case, you'd pretty much have to scp the rpm to the node.
00:55<jcy`>i think he should doublecheck w/ support before resorting to that
00:55<jkwood>If yum isn't there, there's not a lot they can do for him at this moment.
00:56<mtx_init>il figure it out
00:56<jcy`>i dunno, i'm just saying that i'd be surprised if linode overlooked that
00:56<jcy`>or at least do a find / -name yum
00:56<jkwood>Oh, I definitely think that they should be made aware if it's not there, but it won't solve his direct problem.
00:57<Peng>How is it even possible to not have a package manager?
00:57<mtx_init>Peng: my job doesnt allow them
00:58<jcy`>hahah wha?
00:58<mtx_init>nope, unless I create my own repository locally I cant use it
00:59<jkwood>Peng: In their defense, the Slackware image hasn't had a remote package manager in the past. They also aren't "Centos people."
00:59<jkwood>Mind, I will be teasing whoever did it mercilessly nonetheless.
00:59<mtx_init>just think about how much trust you are putting in the maintainer.
01:01<jkwood>This is a man after my own heart.
01:03<bryen>is there any way to verify there's actually data in xvdb?
01:04<Peng>bryen: On what level, exactly? Does a file system exist? Is there anything interesting in that file system?
01:04<Peng>bryen: Shouldn't xvdb be your swap...?
01:05<Peng>Or are you the custom distro guy from earlier?
01:05<bryen>Peng, yeah. I finished a dd and per instructions on the Linode side, I typed mount /mnt/xvdb and I get "can't find /mnt/xvdb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
01:06<Peng>bryen: Well that's completely different.
01:06<jkwood>That's because you have to specify both the device name and the mountpoint.
01:06<Peng>bryen: You never defined a mount point called /mnt/xvdb, so it has no idea what you're talking about. Do "mount /dev/xvdb /mnt/xvdb" or somesuch.
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01:07<bryen>well I am following the instructions in the linode documentation
01:09<bryen>hmm in /etc/fstab, /dev/xvdb is listed as a swap
01:09<bryen>and /dev/xvdc is listed as a swap too
01:10<Peng>bryen: Look at your configuration profile -- maybe you messed it up a little.
01:10<Peng>bryen: I'd guess that that screwed up the auto-generated /etc/fstab. Nonetheless, it's not a big deal. Do the mount command like we said, and fix your config profile later.
01:11<bryen>peng in the config profile xvdb is listed as my distro and xvdc is listed as swap
01:12<bryen>peng, I did, and it still wouldn't mount
01:12*SelfishMan resists making a mount...urmom joke
01:12*Peng shrugs
01:12<bryen>SelfishMan, go ahead :-)
01:12<stefanie>Do it SelfishMan
01:12<Peng>bryen: Wait. Pass "-t ext3" to mount too.
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01:13<bryen>Peng, According to fstab, the /dev/xdb* (swaps) were "created by finnix"
01:13<bob2>sudo file -s /dev/xd*
01:13<bob2>if you're gonna do all this manual fiddling, you're gonna have to do some manual fiddling
01:14<Peng>bryen: OK. That doesn't mean I'm wrong.
01:15<Peng>bryen: OK. Now pastebin what bob2 said.
01:15<Peng>If you accidentally created it as a swap image, that would make sense.
01:15<bryen>bob2, xvd*
01:15<bryen>/dev/xvda: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Finnix 91.1 ' (bo
01:15<bryen>/dev/xvdb: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, LBA fl
01:15<bryen>tage2 0x10b330, GRUB version 0.97
01:15<bryen>/dev/xvdc: Linux/i386 swap file (new style) 1 (4K pages) size 65535 pages
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01:20<bryen>bob2, win what?
01:20<bob2>now you know where everything is
01:20<bob2>fix up /etc/fstab, reboot, have a beer
01:20<Peng>If this is Finnix's /etc/fstab, rebooting is silly since it will just screw it up again. :P
01:21<bryen>trying to... the vi in finnix doesn't seem to accept the INSERT key
01:21<bob2>I didn't think any vi accepted the insert key
01:21<Peng>I'm guessing you made a mistake and created it as a swap image in Linode's manager...
01:21<bob2>use i
01:21<bryen>Peng, I was wondering about that
01:21<bob2>or nano
01:21<Peng>bob2: i?
01:21<bob2>i-insert mode
01:21<bryen>ok i works
01:21<chesty>is /dev/xvdb a partition or a disk image?
01:22<jkwood>vim accepts the insert key, assuming you're using it with shift+insert.
01:24*bryen wonders now... if he reboots and he'll lose all settings he fixed in fstab, then what?
01:25<bob2>fix the fstab on your actual disk
01:25<bryen>you realize I'm trying to mount a brand new image, right?
01:26<bob2>no idea what you're doing
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01:26<bob2>I thought you'd already copied your image
01:26<bob2>from your house to linode
01:26<bob2>ok, now you need to mount that image
01:27<Peng>bob2: He's stuck on the "mount" command in the tutorial because Finnix thinks it's a swap image rather than ext3.
01:27<bob2>sudo fdisk -l
01:27<bryen>thank you Peng
01:28<bob2>does that find your root partition?
01:28<Peng>It's not a swap image, but I'm guessing it was before he overwrote it with dd.
01:28<bob2>what's the difference?
01:29<bryen>ok I rebooted and /etc/fstab fixed itself correctly
01:30<bryen>oh crap, I think I encountered another issue... sheesh
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01:30<bryen>my fault on this one.
01:30<bryen>It won't mount now because it doesn't recognize it as ext3 and I believe my image is ext4
01:31<bob2>uname -a
01:31<bob2>latest-paravirt-2.6 has ext4 support at least
01:31<bob2>2.6.18 predates ext4 by a thousand years, so it doesn't
01:32<bryen>yeah... (groans at self)
01:32<bryen>thanks all... see ya later!
01:32<Peng>'file' said it started with a GRUB boot sector...
01:32<Peng>But I guess that's okay?
01:33<bryen>sure it should be okay
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01:45<chesty>Peng: that's what i said, you can't mount a disk image, you need to mount the partitions inside it
01:45<bob2>you can mount a disk image if it has a filesystem on it :)
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01:45<chesty>it should say something like /dev/sda1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data
01:45<jcy`>chesty i heard you got traded to the bears today
01:46<bryen>chesty really the instructions should include that if the dev couldn't be mounted, just reboot and usually it will be alright. Which is what it turned out to be in this case
01:46<bob2>well, how sure are you that the problem is with the instructions? :)
01:46<bryen>"the bears"? we call them "da bears"
01:46<bryen>bob2, Pretty damn sure I followed everything step by step.
01:47<chesty>it's working? ok, i thought you dd'd the wrong device
01:47<linbot>double pits to chesty, he nailed it
01:47<jcy`>i have no idea what "double pits" means
01:47<bryen>chesty, nope. Simple reboot of Linode's Finnix did the trick. Of course after doing all that, I realized I forgot to downgrade the ext from 4 to 3 on my image so I'm re-imaging now :-(
01:48<chesty>jcy` arm pits
01:48<erikh>no mwalling today?
01:48<chesty>bryen: so you haven't been able to mount it?
01:48<erikh>!seen mwalling
01:48<linbot>erikh: mwalling was last seen in #linode 1 day, 3 hours, 44 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <mwalling> SelfishMan: still here?
01:49<bryen>chesty, No Linode wouldn't recognize ext4 as a valid file system and balked
01:49<chesty>bryen: that's not the only issue you have, you're not dding a filesystem, you're dding a disk image
01:49<bryen>chesty, yes, I know that
01:50<chesty>ie you're dd /dev/sda when you should be dd /dev/sda1
01:50<bryen>no I did /dev/hda1 not hda
01:51<chesty>not according to file -s
01:51<Peng>bryen: You confirmed it was ext4, with tune2fs -l or somesuch?
01:51<bryen>this is how I did it, per the instructions: dd if=/dev/hda1 | ssh "dd of=/dev/xvdb"
01:51<bryen> (with the ip address changed of course)
01:52<bryen>Peng, yes, and I know it was ext4 because openSUSE 11.2 by default installs as ext4.
01:53<bryen>and I can see it now on my local running image that it is ext4. I just was stupid and didn't think about it when I created the image
01:56<amitz>what's the usual culprit of corrupted ext3 that can't be recovered automatically?
01:56<amitz>by fsck
01:57<linbot>chesty: invalid checksum (20:0/0) [sxueecs]
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01:57<chesty>and invalid checksums
01:57<amitz>gah, no excuse. I must recover this harddrive..
01:58<amitz>I should set my server to autodeploy clients...
01:58<amitz>heh, or netboot.
02:00<erikh>there is brown mystery sludge on my desk
02:00*erikh is scared
02:00<stefanie>touch it
02:00<chesty>lick it
02:00<erikh>I think it's still wet.
02:00<erikh>I had a pint of ice cream earlier, I suspect that's it.
02:00<amitz>Perihelion: yes maam?
02:00<amitz>erikh: you'll never know if you don't taste it.
02:01<amitz>perhaps it's the water from fountain of youth.
02:01<Peng>erikh: Sorry, that stuff is left behind by Perihelion's teleportation machine.
02:01<erikh>you know what? ignorance is bliss
02:01<amitz>or someone's droll...
02:01<Peng>erikh: You should scrub your eyes thoroughly after looking at it.
02:01<erikh>with borax
02:01<Solver>maybe it's alive
02:01<erikh>I know
02:01<Solver>maybe it's sentient
02:01<erikh>it hasn't talked yet.
02:01<Peng>Solver: No, it's not sentietn.
02:02<chesty>could be leaky capacitor juice
02:02*amitz is about to plug something but decided against it due to relatively normal nature of this community :-p
02:02*Solver plugged in a 50A plug the other day
02:02<Solver>I hate doing that
02:03<Solver>I'd much rather the circuit be off when plugging in things like that
02:04*amitz just realized the peril of testpen. It can be used to test if electricity exists or not. But if it's broken, it won't tell you. I like such indicator to default on the safe side.
02:04*Solver collapses asleep
02:04*Peng puts Solver's hand in warm water./
02:05<amitz>and the other hand in cold water.
02:05<erikh>it's almost like dump/restore still has a use in the linux world
02:05*erikh sighs
02:06<erikh>dump -0 / -f - | ssh 'restore -rf /'
02:06<erikh>no fs issues
02:06<erikh>unless you count the one that makes dump useless on linux
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02:13<mtx_init>Does anybody have any good bash scripts for emulating user use?
02:14<erikh>like at a shell?
02:15<mtx_init>it may sound silly, but it would help
02:15<erikh>you know a bash script is no different 99% of the time than typing it directly at the commandline, right?
02:15<mtx_init>I know thats why I wanted it
02:15<mtx_init>to emulate use usage
02:15<bob2>what thing do you want to emulate?
02:15<erikh>let me familiarize you with the 'script' tool
02:15<erikh>it's an old tool
02:15<erikh>only guys with white beards and suspenders still use it
02:15<erikh>but it's great for this kind of stuff
02:16<mtx_init>bob2: checking email, writing to files, etc.
02:16<erikh>and it's probably already on your system
02:16<bob2>ok, I'm lost
02:16<erikh>use script
02:16<erikh>do it
02:16<erikh>read the file it generates
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02:17<mtx_init>bob2: I have no real users, but need practice maintaining a unix like server.
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02:17<mtx_init>I just wanted to see if anybody had anything, I can just write it myself.
02:18<linbot>New news from forums: Secure config for multiple hosts Apache websites? in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
02:18<erikh>try reading about it
02:18<mtx_init>erikh: what do you mean?
02:18<erikh>it's a program
02:18<erikh>called 'script'
02:19<erikh>type 'man script'
02:19<erikh>it opens a subshell and monitors everything
02:19<erikh>and dumps it all to a file
02:19<mtx_init>oh ok
02:19<mtx_init>it will be helpful
02:19<erikh>so you run it, do what you want to test, then extract what you need
02:19<erikh>hence the name.
02:20<erikh>very, very nice when working with contractors.
02:20<erikh>"no script, no paycheck"
02:20<amitz>I need netboot over wifi...
02:20<erikh>amitz: heh. good luck.
02:21<amitz>erikh: I remembered seeing one motherboard claiming that capability, the really high end one... but I didn't remember the security, etc.
02:21<amitz>don't remember
02:22<SelfishMan>for a channel that I really don't do anything in I sure get hilighted a lot
02:22<erikh>SelfishMan: sorry, I've been stalking mwalling today.
02:22<erikh>and I think the last thing he said (which is produced by !seen) was something to you.
02:23<amitz>SelfishMan: you're almost a celebrity! be glad.
02:23<erikh>unixodbc, it has been a while
02:23<erikh>I have come to slay you. are you prepared?
02:24<jcy`>SelfishMan what was it that you did w/ /.?
02:24<SelfishMan>amitz: I prefer being an unknown that wasn't important enough to even fade away
02:24<SelfishMan>jcy`: huh?
02:24<erikh>SelfishMan: fuck yeah
02:24<jcy`>oh i thought you were slashdotted, nm
02:24<erikh>when I finally throw in the towel and change from software to sanitation engineering
02:24<erikh>that's what I want to happen
02:24<SelfishMan>jcy`: yeah, one of my services was
02:25<jcy`>what is it
02:25<amitz>SelfishMan: interesting comparison but makes sense.
02:25<SelfishMan>morans that can't read bitching about potential abuse of the service but they morans are the only ones that would use it that way
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02:25<jcy`>i have no idea wtf you just said
02:26<erikh>jcy`: moran
02:26<amitz>erikh: sanitation engineering pays a lot, at least in aussie.
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02:26<SelfishMan>people are bitching about how it is the worst idea for a blacklist ever even though the /. article, the blog post the article points to and the anonwhois website clearly state that in no way is it a blacklist and using it as one would just be stupid
02:26<erikh>and seems like it'd be better for my health and I'd probably deal with fewer douchebags
02:27<amitz>but more shits than usual ;-)
02:27<SelfishMan>querying a dns zone is a lot easier than trying to deal with a sqlite db which is why I published it that way
02:28<erikh>SelfishMan: man, it's been like, 12 years. slashdot, reddit, etc, none of those people read anything before they write
02:28<erikh>it's just a giant bucket of diarrhea
02:28<SelfishMan>erikh: I know. That's why I laughed about it
02:28<amitz>erikh: I can see your propensity toward sanitation engineering.
02:28<erikh>it's just: I'M OFFENDED
02:28<SelfishMan>Funny thing is, the queries to the anonwhois dns zone didn't change at all until today but the queries to the SEM zones increased by about 18%
02:28<erikh>ad nauseam.
02:29<@Perihelion>BILLY JOEL IS THE MAN
02:29<erikh>fuck yeah
02:29<SelfishMan>I should post something saying "DIGG IS THE NEW SLASHDOT"
02:29<erikh>no one crashes cars like billy joel
02:29<erikh>well, ok
02:29<erikh>maybe ted kennedy
02:31<bob2>SelfishMan: where do you get whois data from?
02:31<@pparadis>!urmom SelfishMan
02:31<bob2>at least PIR's whois servers ban ips after more than a few queries per minute
02:31<linbot>pparadis: Yo momma's so fugly even SelfishMan wouldn't touch her! (773:15/0) [mmuro]
02:31<SelfishMan>If I cared enough I would post the moronic emails I received (all three of them) like several blacklists do
02:31<SelfishMan>bob2: um...very carefully...extracted
02:32<SelfishMan>bob2: the PIR whois servers only allow 4 queries/minute but the website allows 50 queries/minute
02:32<bob2>let me guess
02:32<bob2>they also neglected to use a good captcha
02:32<SelfishMan>they don't use a captcha
02:32<SelfishMan>they encourage querying the web servers because of higher capacity
02:33<SelfishMan>they don't want people using the whois service but are required to provide it
02:33<SelfishMan>well, think about it
02:33<bob2>I just gave up when I found the whois service was so limited
02:33<SelfishMan>whois might be a low overhead service but once you build in the rate limiting you need a lot of servers dedicated just to whois
02:34<SelfishMan>most of the money comes from the website so why double invest in hardware just for whois? I would rather do a web query anyway (personally)
02:34<SelfishMan>Proper use of ->
02:36<megatron27>I don't like the new Ubuntu theme.
02:36<mtx_init>megatron27: tyou can change it in gnome-conf
02:37<megatron27>I mean the one that is coming in the new version
02:37<mtx_init>yes thats what I was reffering to
02:37<megatron27>but yeah, I know
02:37<megatron27>oh okay
02:37<mtx_init>if you dont like the changes, you can change it in gnome-conf
02:37<megatron27>yup, you're absolutely right
02:41<megatron27>I don't like how I arbitrarily switch between single quotes and double quotes in Python </random-comment>
02:43*pparadis does like urmom
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02:43<megatron27>she's a special woman
02:44<amitz>I hate the impending deadline of tax filing</random-comment>
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02:44*SelfishMan is moving to canadia on april 15th
02:45<megatron27>go Canada!
02:45<amitz>for...uh.. tax purposes?
02:45<bob2>3 years to train before olympic curling selections
02:45<megatron27>oh, Canadia
02:46<SelfishMan>actually I have until Feb 1, 2011
02:47<SelfishMan>bob2: if the medals were actually worth something then maybe it would be worth it
02:48<SelfishMan>or at least didn't look like a pringle chip
02:48<megatron27>just watched the Floss Weekly podcast on Cmake, didn't learn much
02:49<megatron27>the C in cmake scares me
02:49<jkwood>Why? The part that sticks out is rounded.
02:51<amitz>My highschool took all medals we won in any competition without making any duplicate for us. For team competitions, we get around it by choosing one cute girl as part of our team just for fun, then gave her medal to our school :-D
02:51<megatron27>amitz, I don't understand
02:51<megatron27>how is that getting around your school taking your medals
02:52<megatron27>wouldn't the school take the medals from the cute girl
02:52<jkwood>amitz doesn't understand amitz either, most of the time.
02:52<megatron27>this makes no sense!
02:52<jkwood>And now, to saturate my internet connection with delicious updates.
02:55<erikh>the people I know that use cmake are really rabid fans of it
02:55<Peng>jkwood: Literally
02:55<amitz>oh. Suppose one team has 5 members. We picked one cute girl to be in our team. The term was she had to gave up any medal she won (as part of our team) in exchange of the dispensation to not attend any class (for training). Then we lied to our school by saying that at those years they only gave one medal per team, not per member of our team.
02:55<erikh>i have a bot that logs channel urls and posts them to delicious.
02:55<erikh>not in here
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02:56<Peng>erikh: Yes, that would be unwise.
02:56<@Perihelion>i dont want to talk to you
02:56<@Perihelion>i just want bang bang bang
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02:56<amitz>so 4 people can still keep our medal.
02:56<erikh>if anyone digs that sort of thing.
02:56<jkwood>Peng: No, os updates
02:56<megatron27>amitz, okay, but why must the girl be cute
02:56<megatron27>amitz, I don't see how that affects anything
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02:57<amitz>megatron27: for our entertainment :-D
02:57<Peng_>Presumably that's why she must be a girl, too?
02:57<megatron27>how sexist
02:57<chesty>a girl is not necessary for amitz, just his team mates
02:57<erikh>it even handles !rr
02:57<erikh>it's *awesome*
02:58<megatron27>ever do any reading on computer ethics
02:58<megatron27>in particular in relation to data mining
02:59<Internat>ethics are overrated
02:59<amitz>well, most of us were guys. In the events where there were girls, we didn't pull that shit :-p
02:59<megatron27>amitz, what sports were you active in
02:59*megatron27 guesses badminton
02:59<amitz>you guessed that right.
03:00<chesty>cool, i win one internets
03:00<amitz>badminton, silly chesty!
03:00<Internat>oh sorry chesty, amitz's school is going to confiscate that
03:01<amitz>oh, that manuever were for academic competitions.
03:01<jkwood>erikh: Bring it in here. I'm sure SelfishMan has some wonderful urls for it to datamine.
03:02<erikh>I can, but I'd probably want to fly it by the ops first
03:02*erikh is, on occasion, a good internet citizen
03:02<amitz>megatron27: I assume you play... badminton?
03:02<megatron27>I'm not good at any sports.
03:02<@mikegrb>mmm cake
03:02<erikh>Perihelion: do I have to ask the cake about something like this?
03:03<@Perihelion>i dont know what youre talking about
03:03<erikh>bringing a bot in here.
03:03<@mikegrb>mmm cake
03:03<@Perihelion>my friend jack daniels here says to ask t3h cake
03:03<@Perihelion>because t3h peri doesnt know
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03:03<@Perihelion>and cant read
03:03-!-chesty is now known as cake
03:04<cake>sure, go ahead
03:04-!-cake is now known as chesty
03:04<SelfishMan>erikh: launch it in #linode on freenode and I'll make sure that it is properly tested
03:04*jkwood wonders if that will trigger mikegrb
03:04<SelfishMan>also, freenode might not survive
03:04<erikh>SelfishMan: it was on freenode for some time
03:04<erikh>even registers with nickserv there
03:04<amitz>megatron27: I used to be crazy of badminton. There was a time when I wanted to go professional :-p. But my coach told me that I didn't have the talent to make it :/
03:04<@Perihelion>use small people words to explain what youre doing?
03:04<erikh>not #linode, but yeah
03:04<jkwood>That's a general principal, though, not anything related to the bot.
03:05<erikh>and I had some friends beating on it for some time.
03:05<SelfishMan>erikh: I have some very fun urls for it that freenode would love to see again
03:05<@mikegrb>mmm cake
03:05<@Perihelion>do the involve cake?
03:05<megatron27>amitz, depends, and average player in Indonesia can probably make it to the national team in the US or Canada
03:05<@mikegrb>mmm cake
03:05<@Perihelion>of the cake farts variety
03:05<erikh>you mean the "we can't write a hybrid module to deal with spam" kind of links?
03:05<@Perihelion>no mike cake farts are NOT mmm
03:05<megatron27>amitz, so move to the US :-)
03:06<SelfishMan>erikh: I mean the zomg teh network imploded (again) kind of links
03:06<erikh>that's what I mean.
03:06<chesty>amitz is moving to au to be my cleaner
03:06<erikh>didn't efnet have the same problem.. and resolved it in hours?
03:06<erikh>not *ahem* weeks
03:06<amitz>megatron27: I know, I felt like god when I played in US :-p Not the most powerful god, but a god nonetheless.
03:06<megatron27>I remember reading about how one famous Danish player used to compete in tournaments in India to build his confidence.
03:06<SelfishMan>and yet oftc never had a problem
03:06<erikh>dude, you're preaching to the choir
03:07<amitz>chesty: you can't afford me. But if you can, I may be willing to :-p
03:07<erikh>hybrid modules aren't hard to write
03:07<megatron27>work hard, program like you mean it
03:08<erikh>have a hard penis, program like it matters
03:08<erikh>it's the rockstar way!
03:08<jkwood>Program in Like, Python, dude.
03:09<megatron27>Elton John!
03:10<jkwood>I don't think Like, Python has support for the "raging flamer" dialect yet.
03:11*SelfishMan reaches for the stoli
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03:13<jkwood>!seen mtkoan
03:13<linbot>jkwood: I have not seen mtkoan.
03:13<jkwood>linbot: You're a terrible liar.
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03:17<chesty>!seen amitz being funny
03:17<linbot>chesty: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
03:17<chesty>!seen amitz-being-funny
03:17<linbot>chesty: I have not seen amitz-being-funny.
03:17<@Perihelion>!seen mypenis
03:17<linbot>Perihelion: I have not seen mypenis.
03:17<amitz>chesty: I will cry.
03:17<Internat>!seen yourpenis
03:17<linbot>Internat: I have not seen yourpenis.
03:18<Internat>there you go :P
03:18<megatron27>lets have endless meta discussions about IRC
03:18<megatron27>I want to chat about chatting
03:19<@Perihelion>!seen urmom
03:19<linbot>Perihelion: urmom was last seen in #linode 7 weeks, 0 days, 13 hours, 4 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <urmom> Jan15 14:14:55 -NickServ( Nickname urmom is now linked to master jed.
03:19<jkwood>I once complained about complaining.
03:19<@Perihelion>7 weeks is too long
03:19*Perihelion misses urmom
03:19<Internat>jed is now urmom?
03:20<Internat>thats different
03:20<dhoss>i wanna bitch about solr!
03:20<megatron27>dhoss, go ahead
03:20<dhoss>okay i'm pissed that it's indexing my docs and not fucking returning ANYTHING in my searches
03:21<dhoss>PROVE IT
03:21<megatron27>dhoss, are you doing it via an API
03:21<jkwood>Do you have a keyboard?
03:21<megatron27>dhoss, or using the web based UI
03:21<@Perihelion>Are YOU an api?
03:21<jkwood>Perihelion: Kinky.
03:21<dhoss>megatron27: both
03:21<dhoss>neither return shit
03:21<dhoss>something is fucked hard
03:22<dhoss>i mean, unless i missed something numDocs shows a number greater than zero
03:22<dhoss>thus, i deduce documents are being indexed
03:22*Perihelion makes remote calls to jkwood
03:22<megatron27>there's a way to return everything right? *:* IIRC
03:22<@Perihelion>iiii kissed a struct and i liked it
03:22<megatron27>have you tried returning everything?
03:22<@Perihelion>the taste of its cherry bracket
03:22<_Rob>mmm bracket
03:22<@Perihelion>i kissed a struct just to try itttt i hope my array dont mind itttt
03:22*Perihelion dances
03:23<megatron27>Solr has been great for me, even works on a Linode 360.
03:23<jcy`>marry me
03:23<dhoss>megatron27: hmm that seems to return stuff
03:23<dhoss>only one result though
03:24<megatron27>dhoss, then it seems like you only have one record
03:24<megatron27>one more thing, maybe you have to commit after adding records?
03:24<dhoss>right, i'm guessing so
03:24<dhoss>but...i have to figure out how
03:25<dhoss>oddly searching for part of that term doesn't return anything
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03:31<jkwood>MOAR DOTZ
03:31<megatron27>the thing about solr is that it takes credits for all the hard work done by Lucene..
03:31<MaZ->service stations suck
03:32<dhoss>megatron27++ # leading me in the right direction
03:35<amitz>what's the average comments people usually get in facebook wall? I see people posting normal update having more than 20 comments...
03:36<megatron27>amitz, depends, cute girl >10 on average
03:36<jcy`>amitz it's probably a function of the size of one's friends list
03:36<jkwood>I usually don't see any more than six.
03:36<jkwood>Radio stations and musicians will have more, of course.
03:36<jcy`>i only have 39 ppl on my friends list, so i usually only get two or three replies
03:36<amitz>megatron27: how about handsome guy? Seriously. Somehow nobody I know is handsome so :-p
03:37<dhoss>I gets a millions billions a day
03:37<amitz>jcy`: hmm, checking
03:37<amitz>jkwood: normal people.
03:37<jcy`>i'm devastatingly handsome
03:37<jcy`>one might use the word "breathtaking" in fact
03:37<amitz>yes, I'm devastated.
03:37<jcy`>by irc standards anyway
03:38<jcy`>i'm j/k of course, i'm a 7 when i was at 190lbs
03:38<jcy`>but now that i've ballooned up to 240, i'm a slob
03:38<jcy`>thank the lord he made me 6 ft tall
03:38<megatron27>IRC standards? how do you know that Victoria Secret super models don't communicate with each other over IRC
03:38<jkwood>My parents always told me that I was funny, but looks weren't everything.
03:38<jcy`>b/c i'm busy banging all of them
03:38<Peng>megatron27: They sure as hell wouldn't admit it.
03:38<jkwood>jcy`: #!?
03:38<MaZ->crushing them*
03:39<Peng>MaZ-: Some people like that.
03:39<jcy`>yeah i eat out everyday, so after about 15 years i gained 50lbs
03:39<megatron27>yeah, eating out is like the easiest way to gain weight
03:39<MaZ->its cool, im just lucky - eat anything, never get fat
03:40<amitz>megatron27: because people who want to talk to them would rather see them in person :-p
03:40<megatron27>MaZ-, ringworms
03:40<jcy`>if you told me, "hey you're going to gain a quarter pound every months for years" i probably wouldn't consider that to be a steep rate of weight gain
03:40<MaZ->lol hope not
03:41<MaZ->argh stupid phone turns off prediction for ssh input
03:41<megatron27>a regular coke at Mcdonalds is 200+ calories
03:41<MaZ->i am worst at virtual keyboard
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03:42<amitz>megatron27: I almost never choose coke and the like. Lemon tea instead.
03:42<jcy`>shut up fatty
03:43<jcy`>anyway about 5 years ago i decided to lose weight, and i lost 40lbs in six weeks
03:43<Trystan>seems like a fair pay off
03:43<Trystan>it was 5 years for 50lbs gain wasnt it?
03:43<jcy`>but that was a lifestyle change i couldn't sustain
03:43<Trystan>just do it every 5 years and you're set.
03:43<amitz>jcy`: congratulation! how many lippo suctions? :-p
03:43<jcy`>no i gained it all back unf
03:44<jcy`>amitz i know you know all about suctions but hush
03:44<amitz>oh yeah, should /msg instead.
03:44<jcy`>it was atkins + exercise
03:44<megatron27>go Atkins!
03:45<jcy`>amitz i kid
03:45<amitz>I see, watching lots of Rowan Atkinson and laughing hard expends many calories.
03:45<amitz>jcy`: I know :-p
03:45<megatron27>one thing about the Django admin interface is that having it encourages you to add sample data early on so that you can experiment with your models
03:45<jkwood>amitz: It was actually all that time he spent with the supermodels.
03:45<megatron27>plus, you can implement the read views first which are often more fun to do
03:46<amitz>jkwood: yours make sense! It explains the extremety of the exercises.
03:46<jcy`>anyway, when i get laid off soon, i plan on getting back onto my exercise bike and back on atkins
03:46<jcy`>i want to look lean and healthy for interviews
03:46<megatron27>what is with people who can exercise outdoors
03:46<amitz>jcy`: and you will lost your credibility as a programmer.
03:47<jcy`>i'm no programmer amitz
03:47<jcy`>i'm barely a sysadmin, i lost my game a long time ago
03:47<jkwood>He's a personal fitness consultant.
03:47<amitz>jcy`: ah, system admin? you must gain MORE weight.
03:48<jcy`>last year i went out w/ a girl that was an 8 in looks and a 10 in brains
03:48<megatron27>jcy`, does she do pr0n
03:48<jcy`>and i think maybe this year, i want to get married
03:48<amitz>work with me, there are many exercise options ;-)
03:49<jcy`>b/c it's been a loooong time since i attracted anyone that awesome
03:49<amitz>jcy`: nice! what anime is that? :-p
03:49<amitz>8 in looks and 10 in brains :-p
03:49<amitz>oh wait, I read that as 8 figures.. but never mind.
03:50<megatron27>point us to her hotornot profile
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03:50<jcy`>haha, no way. i don't know what tineye might yield personal info
03:51<jcy`>she's an adjunct college prof for english now, getting her phd
03:51<megatron27>perfect song for a saturday afternoon -
03:51<amitz>In a somewhat related note, I used to know this one woman who can eat anything but barely gains additional weight. She is blessed.
03:52<jkwood>I'm made that way.
03:52<jcy`>how old is she amitz
03:52<amitz>jkwood: you're blessed.
03:52<jkwood>Yes, most definitely.
03:52<megatron27>naturally toned
03:52<amitz>jcy`: 22ish
03:52<jcy`>yeah see, that's not that unusual at that age
03:52<megatron27>Adriana Lima claims that she's the same, she doesn't even have to exercisee
03:52<jcy`>check on her again in 12 years
03:53<jkwood>I also have something broken in my head, so it all balances out.
03:53<jcy`>megatron27 sorry that's a nice song but that guy looks like a child rapist
03:54<megatron27>no reason to apologize
03:54<jkwood>Hmmm... I think I'm gonna go get some sleep while my updates finish. Later, all.
03:54<jcy`>is it sat afternoon for you
03:54<megatron27><-- Asian
03:54<jcy`>i'm awake at 4am thinking about getting a bagel in 2 hours
03:55<jcy`>i heard amitz is asian too, do you two know each other?
03:55<megatron27>bagels, hmmm....
03:55<megatron27>no, we just live in neighboring countries
03:56<jcy`>have you been to bali?
03:56<megatron27>no, I don't travel much
03:56<megatron27><--- unpredictable digestive system
03:56<jkwood>We call amitz "The Ragin Asian". He prize-fights on weekends and holidays.
03:56<jcy`>have you tried probiotic yogurt?
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03:57<jkwood>Okay, leaving for real, this time.
03:57<jcy`>dude, i used to have real problems w/ my stomach and digestion
03:57<jcy`>ciao jkwood
03:58<jcy`>but i found that danactive probiotic yogurt made a HUGE diff in how my internals worked
03:58<jcy`>i'd check it out if i were you
03:58<megatron27>I'll give it a shot, thanks
04:03<megatron27>amitz is from Indonesian, he should be able to tell you more about Bali
04:06<jcy`>damnit megatron27 now i'm browsing youtube for hits from the 80's
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04:07<megatron27>look for this one - Toad The Wet Sprocket, they're good
04:08<jcy`>that name is too hip for me
04:08<jcy`>i'm old and cling to the unabashed sentimentality of the 80's
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04:11<amitz>Bali? never been there. :-p brb.
04:14<amitz>but I may be able to tell you some stuff.
04:14<jcy`>my friends went there on their honeymoon, they said it was pretty awesome
04:15<amitz>jcy`: what region are you located at? Stuff I tell may be dependent on what kind life you experience.
04:15<@Perihelion>My honeymoon will consist of a place that has decent internets
04:16<erikh>mine did
04:16<@Perihelion>Just's a must
04:16<erikh>i called that shit up
04:16<amitz>Perihelion: japan.
04:16<erikh>got a 5 day pass from some local hawaiian isp
04:16<erikh>wife hated me
04:16<amitz>erikh: I know the feeling :-D
04:16<@Perihelion>Internets in Japan were okay
04:16<@Perihelion>They don't have epic pipes everywhere though
04:16<Internat>no good starting a honeymoon with her still being in love with you
04:16<@Perihelion>Europe is like the best
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04:17<megatron27>amitz, recommend a beach resort in Indonesia that isn't very crowded but with a decent hotel
04:17<amitz>megatron27: well... define decent. Define crowd. and what kind of experience are you expecting?
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04:18<megatron27>amitz, Bali is too crowded for me
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04:18<amitz>megatron27: there are less crowded beach although those places may have more naughty locals.
04:19<LinodeJavaUser>Hello, I have some problem with installing package -
04:19*amitz has been hearing way too many Bali stories.
04:19<LinodeJavaUser>I'm using commands from tutorial and I don't know why it's not working
04:19<megatron27>I don't want anything on that Island
04:19<amitz>Let me see if a map can help my recollection.
04:19<megatron27>suggest something on Sulawesi or Sumatra or Batam
04:21<amitz>Sulawesi may be the best choice. But I know next to nothing about that area. Their sea are very steep and deep. In some places, IIRC, you can see plenty of "flower sea" by scuba diving. Can't remember the term.
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04:22<amitz>the place where a US warship came last year.
04:23<Trystan>amitz: coral?
04:23<amitz>Trystan: ah yeah, basically coral.
04:24<amitz>The place name is bunaken. Very recommended it seems.
04:24<amitz>not so naughty locals.
04:25<amitz>There are people who say that the coral is the best they have ever watched in their life.
04:29<megatron27>naughty locals :O
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04:33<amitz>naughty is like, rendering service without agreeing to a price then demand ridiculous amount of money. Something like that.
04:33<Trystan>damn indonesians...
04:33<amitz>not so naughty means, keep your common sense and you should be OK.
04:34<jcy`>is it cheap for americans? like can i get away w/ $200 per person per night
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04:35<amitz>jcy`: definitely? in bali or bunaken. and if you're feeling adventurous and want a local experience, you can rent a local's room and live there ;-)
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04:36<Trystan>(just go stay with amitz)
04:36<amitz>they discriminate on price, but if you know your price, you can get away with lower prices. Definitely less than US$100
04:37<amitz>scratch that, I don't know your living standard :-p
04:37<Trystan>yea thats always the defining thing
04:37<jcy`>what do ppl eat there
04:37<amitz>Trystan: then walk hundreds of km :-p
04:37<jcy`>like when i went to hawaii it was pork everywhere
04:37<Trystan>amitz: no car?
04:38<erikh>they do love the pork in hawaii
04:38<megatron27>amitz, anything in Sumatra
04:38<amitz>Trystan: I mean, I live far away from there. They have cars.
04:38<Trystan>i meant do you have one
04:39<Trystan>if so he could just take yours :P
04:39<Trystan>no need to walk that way.. might be a long drive but its better than walking :D
04:39<amitz>jcy`: well, most western food are easily accessible although more expensive than local food. Local food variety is a lot! just ask megatron27 ;-)
04:39<jcy`>here's a pretty nice james blunt song:
04:39<Trystan>feel free to ignore me, i'm just busting your chops
04:39<jcy`>what do the natives eat
04:39<jcy`>like chicken
04:40<erikh>food, I imagine
04:40<megatron27>I love working in a University even if I'm not part of the faculty
04:40<jcy`>hot babes everywhere?
04:40<amitz>megatron27: sumatra... I have little knowledge about that are too althought I was bornt there :-p.
04:40<megatron27>you shallow shallow man
04:40<jcy`>yes. yes.
04:40<erikh>that's code for 'yes'
04:41<amitz>jcy`: do you like exotic girl? that's the question ;-)
04:41<jcy`>dude i'm not going to bali to get laid
04:41<megatron27>jogging tracks, food everywhere, everything in walking distance if you can stand the heat,
04:41<megatron27>jcy`, then why go?
04:41<jcy`>w/ someone else i desperately want to impress, dur
04:41<megatron27>oh oh, the beaches
04:41<amitz>jcy`: well, natives eat... to many things I guess. No kosher issue since the majority is hindu.
04:42<jcy`>oh so like indian food
04:42<jcy`>like lamb and chicken
04:42<megatron27>I don't think so.....
04:42<megatron27>Hindu is not necessarily Indian
04:42<amitz>jcy`: you will be impressed by the variety of food.
04:42<megatron27>amitz, there are 17K+ islands in Indonesia, surely there's something better than Bali
04:43<megatron27>amitz, and surely there are better beaches than those in Bali on one of the bigger Islands
04:43<amitz>jcy`: btw, do note that in some restaurants, you can bargain for the price.
04:43<megatron27>foreigners bargaining in an Asian market hmmm... wouldn't recommend it....
04:43<megatron27>just make sure you buy whatever it is if you bargain
04:43<amitz>jcy`: ..., chicken, beef, pork, (perhaps dog, forgot), etc.
04:44<megatron27>if they meet your price and you don't buy it, they'll be really pissed off
04:44<jcy`>yeah i'm not a jew like that
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04:44<jcy`>oops, sorry about that
04:44<amitz>megatron27: there are some good ones but bali has the advantage of having not naughty locals, except in some not so crowded area.
04:44<megatron27>not naughty?
04:45<megatron27>is it difficult to get Halal food in Bali?
04:45<megatron27><-- Muslim
04:45<amitz>megatron27: as described above.
04:45<megatron27>not many Muslims there?
04:45<megatron27>I should go Aceh then
04:45<megatron27>go to**
04:45<amitz>supposedly easy since many moslems visit that place too. btw, do you wear moslems attributes?
04:46<megatron27>you mean like a kopia or songkok?
04:46<amitz>clothes and beards etc?
04:46<amitz>oh yeah, I mean, arabic clothes.
04:46<megatron27>not really
04:46<megatron27>sometimes I'll keep a beard buy my mom would be nagging me to shave it off
04:46*erikh tries to get "Erik Hollensbe is now a fan of spam, spam, spam, spam, and spam" to accurately show up on his FB news feed
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04:47<@Perihelion>Linode are you down down down down down
04:47<erikh>i wonder if anyone that reads it will get the joke
04:48<jcy`>is it some facebook app
04:48<jcy`>b/c i block any and all fb apps
04:48<amitz>megatron27: well, I'd expect a bit... of stares if you go alone. But that's just my guess.
04:49<amitz>I mean if you wear moslems attribute, especially the beard.
04:50<jcy`>amitz how do you know all this if you've never been there?
04:50<amitz>jcy`: as I said, I'm sick of hearing stories about Bali from friends. And my wife has been nagging me to go there :-p.
04:53<amitz>jcy`: and pictures my wife/friends showed me. Bali has this beautiful temple on a cliff. It's beautiful I must admit. You have to walk quite a long way.
04:53<jcy`>oh i hope they have golf carts then
04:53<jcy`>or segways at least
04:54<amitz>jcy`: IIRC, the only way to go to that particular temple is by feet only ;-)
04:54<jcy`>i'll hire natives to carry me then
04:54<amitz>oh yeah, they have some ceremonies in certain time of the year. You can time your visit to coincide with them, if you ever decide to visit.
04:55<amitz>and there is a "No activity" day. Don't make your visit coincide with that day. You are not allowed to do much activity at that day. No going out either or you may be arrested.
04:56<jcy`>ah, now the info i want to hear
04:56<jcy`>wtf is that about
04:56<amitz>let me pull an english entry about it.
04:58<jcy`>that sounds ok to me, i like lounging in hotel rooms anyway
04:59<amitz>so you really just want to impress that someone? ;-)
04:59<amitz>hmm it's actually a good idea. You have the perfect excuse to be connected and chat in #linode :-p
04:59<jcy`>i want to go to hawaii again, but really i'd like to go some place that won't be saturated by americans
05:00<jcy`>so i figured fiji and bali would be nice b/c it's so freaking hard to get there but it's still gorgeous
05:00<linbot>New news from wiki: BSD Howto <>
05:01<amitz>If I were you, I'd choose bali since it's cheaper ;-)
05:01<Trystan>the problem with Hawaii is there are to many Americans....
05:02<Trystan>i think your plan would be a nice sitution jcy`
05:02<jcy`>but they're hawaiian americans though who aren't your typical dicks
05:02<amitz>extrapolating some variables, I'd say that you can have a decent meal in Bali for less than US$3.
05:02<Trystan>jcy`: i wasnt talking about them :)
05:02<Trystan>i was talking about the holidayers
05:03<jcy`>yeah i thought maui was just so excellent, and i want to visit kauai b/c i heard it's even better
05:03<amitz>make it US$5 just to be safe, at the least you can go down to the mcdonald path :-p
05:03<jcy`>but i'm afraid that it won't be as magical the 2nd time around
05:03<jcy`>well i like cheap food
05:03<jcy`>but if that's all salad i'm going to be upset
05:04<amitz>that will be lots of meat.
05:04<amitz>I can't emphasize it more, you will be amazed by the variety of food if you're adventurous enough.
05:05<jcy`>my fav. bartender right now is going through a divorce. she offered me a ticket to go to ireland w/ her b/c she was going to go w/ her husband
05:05<jcy`>but i'm not into her, though we're friends
05:05<Trystan>i hear dog is quite nice
05:05<linbot>New news from wiki: BSD Howto <>
05:05<amitz>damn, you read my mind :-p
05:05<amitz>Trystan: so I heard. Never have the chance though.
05:06<jcy`>i'll cause a scene most likely if i eat dog w/o anyone informing me beforehand
05:06<Trystan>thats understandable
05:06<@Perihelion>jkwood: wtfh at your facebook pic
05:06<@Perihelion>i saw it, i shitbrix
05:06<Trystan>i have nothing against it.. they are animals just the same as cows etc.
05:07<Trystan>but i wouldnt be able to eat it due to my own association with them
05:07<jcy`>yeah but c'mon
05:07<Trystan>every culture is different
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05:07<Trystan>indians have the cow as sacred, yet we eat it
05:08<jcy`>90% of the enjoyment of food is in your brain
05:08<amitz>Trystan: yeah.
05:08<amitz>I have tested the skin of cockroach...
05:08*jcy` barfs
05:08<amitz>no, part of a medication.
05:09<Trystan>jcy`: yea exactly. its a mental thing for alot of food
05:09<amitz>I know but I knew it after drinking a few doses so... :-p
05:09*MetaCosm_ waits for water to boil, ... taps foot
05:11<amitz>impressive wikipedia, it mentions about cockroach for medicine.
05:11<jcy`>plz amitz i've already done a /clear
05:11<amitz>oops :-p
05:12<amitz>anyway, gtg
05:12<jcy`>thanks amitz
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05:15<goose>I need a volunteer.
05:15<jcy`>not it
05:17<goose>thank you for volunteering jcy`.
05:17<goose>All your base are now belong to me.
05:17<jcy`>your internet meme has no persuasive effect on me
05:18<jcy`>but no one's going to volunteer before hearing what you want done spencer tunick
05:18<goose>on another note, I love that I've now had to create a cron job to restart apache2 and mysql once every 12 hours so i can get my 100 MiB of memory leaked RAM back
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05:21<chesty>duck duck duck goose
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05:26<makuchaku_>Hi, does the Linode 360 plan has dedicated 360 megs ram or is it burstable?
05:27<Peng>makuchaku_: This is Xen. It's like having a 360 MB stick of RAM.
05:27<makuchaku_>Peng okay..
05:28<makuchaku_>Peng, what sort of support is included in this package?
05:28<jcy`>upgraded RAM:
05:28<Peng>makuchaku_: What do you mean? Linode is an unmanaged service.
05:30<makuchaku_>Peng ah ok. Would I be able to request support staff to perform an activity if I am unable to perform something...
05:30<makuchaku_>Peng: like setting up a rails app, etc?
05:30<Peng>makuchaku_: No. It's unmanaged.
05:30<jcy`>you're on your own settings up your apps and configuring it, etc
05:30<makuchaku_>Peng: ok
05:30<Peng>makuchaku_: Their only responsibility is to make sure it boots.
05:31<makuchaku_>Peng: got your point..
05:31<makuchaku_>Peng: would I be able to host redmine and a git repo on a 360 linode? Would the 360 linode suffice?
05:32<Peng>makuchaku_: Most likely.
05:32<makuchaku_>jcy`: ok
05:32<makuchaku_>Peng: thanks.. :)
05:33<makuchaku_>Another quick question...
05:34<makuchaku_>If I have to setup SPF on my domain, can I buy that domain from Google and still set up SPF config from Linode's panel?
05:35<Peng>makuchaku_: Yes. Your domain registrar and DNS host are not connected.
05:35<Peng>Unless you have a really dumb registrar that doesn't let you change your DNS servers, but...
05:35<makuchaku_>Peng, with Google, its Enom
05:36<jcy`>enom is the registrar for google?
05:36<makuchaku_>jcy`: yes and godaddy... a customer can choose between the two while ordering a domain via google apps.
05:36<Peng>enom registers all!
05:37<makuchaku_>My objective is to register a domain via google and be able to setup SPF from linode panel. What should be the steps to achieve this?
05:38<makuchaku_>This is the only thing holding me back from ordering a linode :(
05:38<Peng>1.) Register domain. 2.) Set DNS servers to ns{1,2,3,4,5} 3.) Create zone in Linode DNS manager.
05:38<Peng>(+ fill it out . . . .. )
05:39<makuchaku_>Peng, awsm. Is there a video or a demo admin panel I can see on how this works out?
05:40<makuchaku_>Peng, or even how the dns panel works in linode?
05:40<Peng>Video, maybe. There are also probably screenshots on
05:40<Peng>There's not much to it. It's just a nice DNS manager.
05:41<makuchaku_>Peng: ok - thanks :)
05:41<jcy`>if your mom taught you the diff between right from wrong, you WILL get a linode
05:42<Peng>What is this "right" you speak of?
05:42<jcy`>i only speak right
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05:42<Peng>I speak left-to-right.
05:44<jcy`>ugh i want to stay away for another 20 min to get a bagel
05:44<jcy`>but i don't think i'm going to last
05:44<jcy`>time for sleep
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06:01<MetaCosm>bag-el, bag-el
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08:16<TinyAmitz>Woah, the great love is still here.
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08:25<wang>trying to resize 360 to 2880 via the web admin.. says it will take an estimated 12 minutes to do it, click the button, say yes to the confirmation popup and it redirects to "an error has occurred" page
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08:26<wang>has been happening for the past few hours.. thought i'd check here before opening a ticket if it's a known issue?
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08:27<TinyAmitz>file a ticket.
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08:32<linbot>chesty: Fremont360 - 38, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 13, Fremont1080 - 10, Fremont1440 - 8, Fremont2880 - 0, Fremont5760 - 0
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10:03<jameswhite> /wnc #linodeapi
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10:28<avar>I node just got blocked in the PRC:
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10:54<chesus>Hello Guys, I have few questions about your product.
10:56<TLKit>Just ask away.
10:57<chesus>What operating system do you use for Dom0?
10:59<chesus>What disrto ?
10:59<erikh>wait, sorry, I believe they went to CP/M a few months ago.
11:01<chesus>Do you think, they support gay clients ?
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11:02<chesus>I'm gay, an I want to know
11:02<chesty>only gays with credit cards
11:02<chesus>because in my country, gays are not allowed to have VPS
11:03<chesty>it's ubuntu i believe, not that you could tell either way
11:03<maushu>That is weird.
11:03<chesus>ok I will highlight your name at our gay comminity group in Pakistan
11:03<chesty>pl is pakistan?
11:04<chesus>no, no
11:04<chesus>i use proxy
11:04<chesty>i didn't know proxies allowed gay use?
11:04<chesus>I would be killed if they now I'm gay
11:05<erikh>I like this guy.
11:05<chesus>I like you too
11:05<chesty>have we met on chatroulette?
11:05<jkwood>Perihelion: It's a crocoduck. Proof positive of evolution.
11:06<chesus>I don;t know wat is chatroulette
11:06<chesus>is it a game ?
11:06<chesus>I like funny games
11:06<chesus>with gays
11:06<apeiron>Here's one: if you type /disco, you make everyone in the channel dance.
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11:07<chesus>no no /disco is not allowed for gays
11:07<chesus>I would be punished by my father for this
11:08<chesus>by a potato (pushen in ...)
11:08<TLKit>The fuck.
11:08<maushu>Didn't Bush forgot poland?
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11:09<chesus>what is about poland?
11:09<chesus>is is another game ?
11:09<maushu>Is where your proxy is from.
11:10<chesus>good, I didn't know about this
11:10<chesus>so proxy is from game
11:10<chesus>my friend installed it for me
11:11<TLKit>Nobody here to kick this dude :<?
11:11<chesty>well, when you get a linode, you can run your own proxy
11:12<chesus>Thank you guys for this awesome talk.
11:12<TLKit>Yes... it was awesome o_O.
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11:14<maushu>Murzyn Najemnik Do Wynajecia
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11:16<thegodlikehobo>sweet, my isp has lost peering with level 3. thankfully i can still tunnel through me linode :3
11:20<chesty>aren't all hobos god like?
11:20<thegodlikehobo>the smellier the godlier
11:21<chesty>so you're the smelliest?
11:22<thegodlikehobo>my stench melts noses
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11:39<Solver>smelliness is next to godliness
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11:42<apeiron>Or godlessness, if you're a hippie.
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11:49<Cygnus>hmm if i run netstat -pantu i get port 22 opened to the internet. if i do an nmap from a different ip i get 22 , 80 , 110, 143 ??
11:50<Cygnus>Is it normal to have root with HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth ?
11:53<Cygnus>The debian deployment of linode is hmm... different
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11:55<Cygnus>If i log as a normal user, i get HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth if i log as root i don't, but if i su into root i keep HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth how can i avoid it?
11:58<chesty>su - (or sudo -i)
11:58<Cygnus>new nmap -vv no i have 22,25,80,94,110,143,295,370,373,510,564,703,737,1380,4002,5145,6005,9051 opened, what is going on, i am only supposed to have 22 opende
11:58<Cygnus>chesty: su
11:58<chesty>i'm saying the two are equivalent
11:58<chesty>su -
11:58<chesty>sudo -i
11:58<Cygnus>ohh, i missinterpreted
12:00<chesty>do you have a weak root password?
12:01<Cygnus>chesty: Password authentication is disabled for root user
12:02<Cygnus>it only has key authentication
12:02<A-KO>you could save yourself a lot of potential headaches by bumping ssh to a different port
12:02<Cygnus>third nmap, 22,25,80,110,143 opened
12:03<chesty>are you nmaping an ip address or domain name?
12:03<A-KO>what's netstat -apn show?
12:03<Cygnus>A-KO: with only 5 attempts per hour i don't think they can break a key in my lifetime
12:03<Cygnus>chesty: ip address
12:03<A-KO>Cygnus: no, but it's nonetheless attempts that at least builds TCP handshakes and transmits a few bytes of data--constantly.
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12:09<linbot>New news from wiki: User:RobKohr <>
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12:14<linbot>New news from wiki: Setting up Ubuntu with LAMP plus others <>
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12:26<goose>Victory for mother Russia ☭
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12:42<linbot>New news from wiki: Setting up Ubuntu with LAMP plus others <>
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12:47<makuchaku>Evening :)
12:47<makuchaku>Just bought a linode :D
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12:48<TLKit>Well done.
12:49<makuchaku>TLKit: the "My Postgres + REE + Nginx + Passenger" StackScript fails... "wget is needed" is the error
12:49<makuchaku>can I modify this stack script and fix it?
12:49<makuchaku>I used the default stack script available from the panel
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12:53<makuchaku>wow! I love the ajax console :D
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12:57<linbot>New news from wiki: Setting up Ubuntu with LAMP plus others <>
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13:02<makuchaku>Is it possible to boot two ubuntu images in one linode?
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13:09<osprea>I've got a domain registered at godaddy, and the DNS pointed at linode (ns*
13:09<osprea>but I'd like to keep email through godaddy
13:10<A-KO>so just create MX records on your linode DNS manager that point to godaddy's email service
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13:11<osprea>A-KO: okay, I hoped it was that easy :)
13:12<osprea>so I "add a new MX record" and for the "hostname" value point to godaddy?
13:12<osprea>which I think is ""
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13:13<osprea>hmm, thats not right, I get "You have entered an invalid hostname or domain name."
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13:15<linbot>New news from forums: Download / Upload Disk Images in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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13:18*osprea puts "" in the MX record hostname, hopes that is right...
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13:21<Berto>Hi - I just ordered another IP address. Do we have a good doc on how to set up other websites from the same server? Using vhosts i assume
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13:25<makuchaku>Berto: i'm not a specialist.. but still - what web server do you use?
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13:26<vilvic>How long does it take before a new A/AAAA record to become available
13:26<Berto>makuchaku, apache + ubuntu. Right now each site has a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available and it says <VirtualHost *:80>
13:26<Berto>guessing I have to change that
13:26<Berto>ooh yeah and i have to point these 3 domains to this IP address too. hmm
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13:27<makuchaku>Berto: once you have setup your DNS, you can simply create another file in sites-available directory
13:27<Berto>makuchaku, each site has a separate file. I guess I need to tell these sites/files to use a different IP though
13:27<makuchaku>in that file
13:28<makuchaku>then use "a2ensite filename"
13:28<makuchaku>and it'll be linked inside /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
13:28<makuchaku> should be pointing to your new IP address beforehand.
13:29<Berto>thanks makuchaku that hsould be good!!
13:29<TLKit>I thought it was just
13:29<makuchaku>TLKit: ah ok
13:29<makuchaku>Not too sure about that...
13:30<makuchaku>Berto: you can try
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13:31<linbot>New news from wiki: Setting up Ubuntu with LAMP plus others <>
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13:32<makuchaku>What is recommended for a linode 360 - Apache2 or Nginx - to run a single rails app?
13:32<makuchaku>I'll be using REE and mod_rails
13:32<warewolf>X-Mailer: Never Gonna Give You Up
13:32<warewolf>yall are awesome.
13:32<makuchaku>I'm concerned about memory consumption... since linode360 just has 360 megs :D
13:33<sumowrestler>i tried upgrading from ubuntu 9.4 to 9.10 and my linode won't boot - is this a good place to get help?
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13:36<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
13:36<DephNet[Paul]>sumowrestler, ^^^
13:37<sumowrestler>when it tries to boot, everything is cool until it says "mount: mount point /dev/pts does not exist"
13:37<linbot>New news from wiki: Setting up Ubuntu with LAMP plus others <>
13:37<sumowrestler>then there are a series of "mountall: mount /dev/pts [992] terminated with status 32"
13:37<sumowrestler>similar for other mount points
13:38<sumowrestler>then it ends with "Mount of root filesystem failed."
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14:22<DephNet[Paul]>daft question, how do I change a variable from a form input to lower case, in PHP? I am sure it is something like toLower();
14:24<DephNet[Paul]>nevermind, its strtolower();
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15:03<MJCS>can anyone suggest a good source control system?
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15:03<thegodlikehobo>mercurial gives me a stiffy
15:04<jkwood>Git is wonderful.
15:05<pharaun>1-up for git
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15:57<Friction>does linode not backup data incase of hdd failure?
15:57<chris6>think i read that somewhere
15:58<spkitty>backing up is your responsibility
15:58<Friction>because if it doesn't i'd have to backup several times a week. if i have lots of data i'll be using well over my bandwidth just for backups
15:59<bliblok>They do however have redundant drives.
15:59<Friction>what are they?
15:59<pharaun>raid 10 i think
16:00<Friction>so there's a slim chance of data loss?
16:00<bliblok>RAID 10 or RAID 1.
16:00<pharaun>would have to ask an admin, but really how often do your data change?
16:00<jkwood>There's an unmetered backend network you could use to backup to another node in the same datacenter. In addition, you can pool the bandwidth for your nodes, so if you only have one facing the internet, you can use the transfer allowances from the others.
16:00<bliblok>Depending on what host you are on, i think
16:00<pharaun>if not often you can backup once in a while
16:00<Friction>well every day
16:00<pharaun>Friction: use rsync then
16:00<pharaun>it will do a delta on the files
16:01<Friction>rsync, delta?
16:01<pharaun>sorry, basically
16:01<jkwood>!f what is rsync
16:01<pharaun>with rsync, is it will compare the difference between a local and remote copy of the file
16:01<linbot>jkwood: rsync is a software application for Unix systems which synchronizes files and directories from one location to another while minimizing data transfer using delta encoding when appropriate. An important feature of rsync not found in most similar programs/protocols is that the mirroring takes place with only one transmission in each direction. rsync can copy or display directory contents and copy files, (1 more message)
16:01<pharaun>well there you go :)
16:01<linbot>jkwood: optionally using compression and recursion.
16:02<jkwood>Delta means it will backup changes only.
16:02<chris6>anyone running tornado?
16:02<Friction>is rsync a program?
16:02<Friction>ok i'll note it down
16:04<Friction>have there been cases where linode has lost data?
16:04<caker>once, yes.
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16:04<Friction>yeh yeh
16:04<@caker>but it can, and will happen again. Plan for it.
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16:05<chris6>anyone familiar with tornado? i'd like to run a python script on boot
16:05<Friction>what's the download speed of the linode servers?
16:06<chris6>seems like it involves init.d
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16:07<grawity>I think that one would be downloading _from_ Linode &
16:07<grawity>s/\&/^/ #damnit
16:08<grawity># that wasn't a hashtag
16:08<BeBoo>anyone good with troubleshooting problems with a custom build PC or can anyone recommend a channel for me to join to discuss?
16:08-!-mode/#linode [-o Perihelion] by Perihelion
16:08<Friction>##hardware on freenode
16:08<BeBoo>Friction, thanks
16:08<maushu>There are so many attempts at my ssh...
16:08<jkwood>Friction: I usually get better download speeds from my node in Texas than from other servers I've encountered. In addition, I've pulled at 8 or 9 meg in the past few days to my node from other servers.
16:09<Friction>only getting 150MB/s here
16:09<maushu>Hmmm, what if I move sshd to another port and then place fake sshd on 22? Hmmm.
16:09<maushu>This might be fun.
16:09<jkwood>maushu: It won't matter.
16:10<maushu>jkwood, doesn't matter? We are talking about my amusement here.
16:10<maushu>Of course it matters.
16:10<jkwood>maushu: Build -j MIRROR into your sshd, then.
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16:11<TheJoe> Hmm... Rick Astley has competition
16:11<jkwood>!f iptables MIRROR target
16:11<linbot>jkwood: zomg you broke teh interwebs!
16:12<maushu>jkwood, what if they mirror it back?
16:12<Friction>wow i'm only getting about 30kB/s on some of those servers
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16:13<maushu>jkwood, I was thinking in creating more a simulated tron mainframe or the one from wargames.
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16:19<jkwood>I'm getting between 200 and 500 kb/s depending on location.
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17:04<linbot>New news from forums: Howto: Upgrade Slackware 12.2 to 13.0 in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
17:06<pharaun>oh they just released a new slackware?
17:09<jkwood>No, Slack 13 has been out for a while.
17:09<jkwood>Hopefully we'll be seeing premade images here in the next week or so.
17:11<@pparadis>yeah, we're working on refreshing all distro images here, no promises but should be released soon
17:11*caker releases pparadis's mom
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17:19<X-LP>ba dum tsh!
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17:33<Perihelion>Aww :(
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17:40<Perihelion>Yeah :(
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17:49<linbot>New news from forums: Can't mount filesystem after Ubuntu 9.04 -> 9.10 upgrade in General Discussion <>
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18:15<ste>in my state it's 0.14. what is your time? :)
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18:15<ste>i want upgrade my vps but is says that it's 6/3/10
18:17<ste>23.16 ok. i wait 1 hour :)
18:17<tanto>maybe submit a support request?
18:20<ste>i wait 1 hour :) in italy it is 0:20
18:20<ste>but for linode it is 23:20
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18:21<ste>if i upgrade now, i loss 1 day
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18:21<tanto>i'd submit a support request
18:21<tanto>in my experience they respond straight away
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18:27<ste>ticket says 12:24:29 AM
18:27<ste>AM? azz... in Italy it's 0.27AM of 7 march XD
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18:29<jkwood>Hmm... it appears someone may have broken linbot.
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18:29<linbot>The rules: (#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole
18:29<pharaun>its just you :-p
18:29<jkwood>Perihelion: Are you identified with him?
18:30<jkwood>That would explain it.
18:44<MaZ->has anyone ever used their computer
18:44<MaZ->while using it as a seat
18:45<@pparadis>MaZ-: if you mean using it while sitting on its case, yes
18:45<MaZ->its pretty awesome
18:45<MaZ->and rather comfy
18:45<MaZ->this is now how i shall use the computer forever
18:45<SelfishMan>why am i being hilighted
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18:46<linbot>The rules: (#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole
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18:49<SelfishMan>!urmom dammit
18:49<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so ugly she couldn't get straterra to play with her! (737:8/0) [mrmuo]
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19:29*Solver hasn't found SelfishMan to be terribly arrogant but then I hang out in open-source circles so the bar is pretty high
19:37<mtkoan>having problems setting up a subdomain.. added "sub" entry in A/AAAA Records, and get up http-vhosts.conf with entries here:
19:37<mtkoan>but it won't resolve .. ?
19:37<mtkoan>I have two different domains resolving ok
19:37<mtkoan>but a subdomain on one of them won't
19:40<jkwood>I really should get around to setting up subdomains one of these days.
19:40*jkwood prods SelfishMan
19:41<mtkoan>gr mtkoan smash
19:42<mtkoan>oh it just resolved
19:42<mtkoan>I guess sometimes kicking it really does work, hnh
19:43<mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
19:43<jkwood>That's Slackware for you.
19:43*jkwood slashes mikegrb's tires
19:43<mtkoan>Took longer to propagate than I thought
19:44<jkwood>That happens sometimes.
19:44<jkwood>That's helpful sometimes.
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19:45<jkwood>!multidns aaaa
19:45<jkwood>Hmm... I'm pretty sure that's not right.
19:48<mtkoan>hm, apparently i'm hosting 490 servers
19:49<jkwood>Fortune just gave me a recipe for Peanut Blossoms that should feed all of them.
19:51<linbot>New news from forums: Problem with NFS in Linux Networking <> || Anyone else getting this type of traffic? in Linux Networking <>
19:52<mtkoan>Also, if I put index.php in the RootDir
19:52<mtkoan>I will just get 403
19:52<atob>Hi guys. Are storage allowances pooled between Linodes, in the same way that bandwidth is?
19:53<mtkoan>on my local machine, that doesn't happen, why?
19:53<jkwood>atob: Nope, just bandwidth. You can purchase extra storage per Linode, though.
19:54<jkwood>mtkoan: I'm guessing that it's a difference in how Apache is configured, or perhaps an .htaccess issue.
19:54<jkwood>mtkoan: Do you have the php line uncommented in /etc/httpd/httpd.conf ?
19:55<mtkoan>Yes, Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf
19:55<mtkoan>the PHP interpreter is working
19:55<mtkoan>I tested that, apache won't pick up index.php as the frontpage
19:56<mtkoan>it just gives 403, as if nothing was there
19:56<path>404 is nothing was there
19:56<path>403 is permission denied i think
19:56<jkwood>Permissions, then.
19:56<mtkoan>403 is fordibden
19:56<path>check the perms on the index.php file
19:56<mtkoan>Forbidden, you don't have persmission to access / on this server
19:57<path>or the dir
19:57<mtkoan>an index.html will work, ok I'll check
19:57<jkwood>File should be world readable, directory should be as well (I believe.)
19:59<jkwood>A channel to the channel, if you will.
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20:04<SelfishMan>why am i getting prodded
20:05<jkwood>SelfishMan: Question related to subdomains, but it was a resolver issue.
20:05*jkwood blows SelfishMan a kiss
20:06*dhoss channels jkwood
20:06<dhoss>OH GOD IT BURNS
20:06<mtkoan>Should DirectoryIndex index.php in .htaccess sort this out?
20:07<mtkoan>but its not
20:07<SelfishMan>jkwood: fyi, !multidns is a dumb alias to create a link because mwalling is lazy
20:08<kalyson>hi i am new to linode. having trouble getting php to log to the /var/log/php.log file. I put it into the php.ini file -- any ideas why it would not work?
20:08<jkwood>Yeah, figured that out. Nothing wrong with it, and I'm not likely to use it that much myself.
20:09<kalyson>The entry is error_log = /var/log/php.log
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20:10<SelfishMan>trying to make that dump useful results into the channel before timing out just won't happen
20:11<mtkoan>Directory Index forbidden by Options Directive
20:12<mtkoan>Its trying to get the Directory Index, as if index.php isn't there
20:12<mtkoan>hence the 403, m
20:12<jkwood>kalyson: Did you restart your web server after setting that option?
20:13<kalyson>jkwood - thanks for the reply - I did this: /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
20:13<jkwood>Hmm... mtkoan, you issued /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd reload after you changed the setting?
20:13<kalyson> /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
20:14<jkwood>kalyson: Hmm... the only other thing I can think, is that I seem to remember a need to stop the apache service, then start it fresh - but that may just be my foggy memory.
20:14<kalyson>I would have thought the reload would work, but I can try a complete stop and start, I guess
20:14<jkwood>Can't hurt, and it buys me to ime to hack goodle.
20:15<kalyson>oddly enough, though, when I change the php.ini file to show errors on the screen with a reload, that works just fine
20:15<jkwood>Hmm... interesting.
20:15<kalyson>so i figure that is not it, then.... if it accepts one then it should accept all
20:15<jkwood>Permissions issue, perhaps? Does the apache user have access to that log file?
20:15<kalyson>yes, i was just thinking that
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20:16<kalyson>except that owner has write permission
20:18<kalyson>wow that is it. other has to have write permission. ohwweeee. I guess the web server is other.
20:18<kalyson>Thanks jkwood!
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20:19<jkwood>kalyson: No problem. =)
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20:30<amitz>There really is a need for tips on the dangers of random facebook applications...
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20:32<jkwood>amitz: Facebook applications are a tool of the devil. There's your tip.
20:32<Peng>The devil has lots of awesome tools.
20:33<Peng>jed: / are/is/
20:36<amitz>at the end, I don't subscribe to any 3rd party applications. Many of my facebook contacts are abused by 3rd party apps.
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20:37<amitz>jkwood: some 3rd party apps can very useful but I don't trust those people in managing my data.
20:37<Peng>And you trust Facebook? :D
20:38<amitz>Peng: jed: well, within reason of course.. ;-)
20:39<amitz>for example, I won't write down my private contact info and hoping that the checkbox to hide that info is reliable.
20:40<amitz>but yeah, facebook, or people who access my facebook, may have enough information to social engineering his/her way to my credential.
20:41<MTecknology>I did the whole upgrade to 9.10 early and I switched to paravirt to run my own kernel - What are the chances of problems upgrading to 10.04 when it comes out?
20:42<@jed>how heavy is a box of books?
20:42<Peng>a lot heavy!
20:42<MTecknology>Xen related question; not asking about if apps will break
20:42<amitz>no more heavy than the same box of gold.
20:42<@jed>xen doesn't care
20:43<MTecknology>jed: ok, I know there were changes and problems with zen and the kernel moving up to 9.10 early
20:43<jkwood>MTecknology: It's a new Ubuntu. They'll find some way to break someone else's software in a big way. It's pretty well guaranteed.
20:43<@jed>the only change was ubuntu mandating a newer udev, which broke 2.6.18
20:43<MTecknology>jed: oh, thanks
20:45<Peng>Even that wasn't Xen-specific.
20:45<path>2.6.18 is pretty old
20:45<path>stable.. but old
20:45<jkwood>Like urmom
20:45<opello>MTecknology: you could get a node for a few hours and just try it when it comes out
20:45<MTecknology>path: that issue was 6mo ago though
20:46<opello>MTecknology: then turn it off and get a prorated refund
20:46<Peng>path: No, it's prehistoric.
20:46<amitz>Peng: you scare me. I'm deleteing more info from facebook.
20:46<opello>instead of asking someone to peer into a crystal ball, just plan to test :)
20:47<amitz>what the fuck... how did they get my birthday...
20:47<@jed>you gave it to them
20:47<opello>and i think the same box filled with gold would be heavier, since gold is probably a bit denser ...
20:47<amitz>jed: pretty sure no. I always lie on site like this.
20:47<@jed>they didn't run a background check
20:48<@jed>you gave it to them at some point
20:48<jkwood>opello: What about a box filled with jed?
20:48<opello>metric tonnes :p
20:49<@jed>depends on how much I ate before being placed in said box
20:49<amitz>jed: I see your point but my memory shouldn't fail me..
20:49<Peng>Yes. Yes it should. Human memories suck.
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20:53<amitz>..and deleting silly photo tag. Some people tag you to a photo to sell a product displayed on the photo...
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21:00<amitz>facebook is addictive. 5 more minutes.
21:01<Yaakov>Human memories are excellent at doing what humans need.
21:02<Peng>Except if humans need accuracy.
21:02<jkwood>Assuming they are in good working order.
21:04<amitz>yeah, I did some experiments on memory. But they don't apply to me. I'm special. muahaha
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21:06<amitz>ooh, shiny linode
21:07<amitz>ooh, faces
21:08<amitz>caker is thinner than expected.
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21:26<@jed>you expected caker to be fat?
21:26*HedgeMage peeks in
21:26<HedgeMage>Hi, jed et al.
21:26<@jed>HedgeMage: good evening
21:27<amitz>jed: somehow... yeah :-p
21:27<@Perihelion>lol xD
21:28<mikegrb>mmm cake
21:28<Peng>Maybe he eats lots of cake. ;-)
21:28<@Perihelion>Obviously not!
21:28<jkwood>caker's no fatty. He spends too much time swimming in his giant pool of money.
21:28<mikegrb>mmm cake
21:28<amitz>perhaps it's the cake portion of caker.
21:28<tanto>like in duck tales
21:28<MTecknology>hurray - now no compile the lucid kernel
21:28<@Perihelion>jed eated it...he's just "r" now
21:28*TLKit <3's Linode.
21:29<@jed>om nom nom
21:29<jkwood>You do know that if caker's first name was Matt, he'd be maker?
21:29<@Perihelion>Or brandon
21:29<@Perihelion>hed be baker
21:29<@jed>if his first name was moonr, he'd be moonraker
21:29*jed snaps fingers
21:29<@Perihelion>If he has kids, one of them needs to have a name starting with b
21:29<@Perihelion>for maximum lolz
21:30<jkwood>Or he could be faker, or taker, or baker, or laker, or waker, or naker, or quaker, or raker...
21:30<@Perihelion>Haha laker
21:30<@Perihelion>Only in CA
21:32<@Perihelion>my hand wont stop hurting :<
21:33<@jed>cut it off
21:33<@Perihelion>make me
21:33<@jed>it was a suggestion
21:33<amitz>jed is being suggestive.
21:33<@Perihelion>nothing new then
21:34<amitz>the association of suggestive to an intended word is too far. joke fails :-p
21:35<@jed>no, it worked fine
21:35<amitz>ah, okay ;-)
21:36<amitz>I suggest urmom.
21:38<@jed>I suggest urmom too
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21:38<@Perihelion>I suggest face punchies.
21:38<NotInternat>mmm painmeds
21:39<SelfishMan>Solver: For the record, I am arrogant and I am a prick. Just ask jed about the first time we talked :-P
21:39<@Perihelion>u mad bro?
21:40<amitz>Perihelion:, 2nd meaning.
21:40<SelfishMan>Who's mad?
21:40<tanto>i'm mad
21:43<Peng>As in angry or crazy?
21:43<Peng>I'm crazy, but I'm cheerful right now.
21:43<@Perihelion>amitz: Which was what I elluded to...:3
21:43<@Perihelion>u trollin
21:44<amitz>I'd say that prickness is measured by behavior toward stranger.
21:44<Peng>amitz: What if you're a prick to your friends too?
21:45<Peng>...And if you're also nice to strangers.
21:45<amitz>Perihelion: uh.. damn :-p
21:45<Peng>I don't know what just happened.
21:45<amitz>Peng: well, if you manage to become friends, then that means you're prickly acceptable?
21:46<@Perihelion>It means you're a cactus
21:46<@Perihelion>prick on the outside, but not all bad inside
21:46<amitz>Peng: complicated, so many meanings. I just went along ;-)
21:46<@Perihelion>perhaps even sweet
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21:46*amitz just discarded an analogy.
21:47*Perihelion just discarded urmom
21:47<amitz>Perihelion: durian!
21:47<@Perihelion>Those look more like thorny testicles, though. I'm not sure he's that bad
21:48<amitz>Perihelion: is that an answer to both Peng and me? O_o
21:49<@Perihelion>that was to you
21:49<@Perihelion>you said durian
21:49<amitz>I thought you're telling me the correct answer :-p
21:50<Peng>The surface of my body is thorn-free, FYI.
21:50<@Perihelion>Then you, sir, are not a Durian.
21:50<amitz>Peng: every hair that is short enough will become thorny ;-)
21:50<Peng>Oh crap.
21:50<amitz>okay, enough with the double implicit meaning game.
21:51*Peng games urmom
21:51<@Perihelion>I just lost the game.
21:51<amitz>I'm good!
21:52<Peng>Perihelion: Ha!
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21:52<amitz>btw, I'm still in <break>. See the last 24 hours log ;-).
21:52<@Perihelion>You only have 30 minutes
21:52<@Perihelion>You could have lost the game multiple times by now
21:53<amitz>perhaps it's time to lay out the rules? Wikipedia mentions many variety of rules.
21:53<amitz>break is 30 minutes only. anything else?
21:54<@Perihelion>Those are the official rules.
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21:55<amitz>Perihelion: I was living a good peaceful life until you came!
21:56*amitz will keep repeating that over and over forever.
21:56<pharaun>oh that stupid fucking game
21:57<amitz>pharaun: oh, when did they screw your life?
22:03<Peng>Augh, I lost!
22:03*Peng thwaps pharaun
22:03<@Perihelion>Took you long enough
22:03<tanto>just saw the stackscripts
22:03<@Perihelion>Shiny, no?
22:03<tanto>i had mentioned this to my boss months ago for our cloud stuff, got shot down
22:03<tanto>i have horrible ideas
22:04<Peng>This was not one of them. :D
22:04<tanto>he prefers templates over provisioning which i disagree with
22:05<tanto>provisioning, if done well, offers upgrade paths, but templates really don't
22:05<tanto>good to see linode innovating with stackscripts
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22:23<Talman>Templates for cloud computing?
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23:23<charlie>Is there a version of telnet or netcat that supports TLS?
23:26<chesty>are you trying to debug a tls problem?
23:26<charlie>chesty, yeah
23:26<chesty>do some googling, i think there's a command line app to test with
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23:31<mendel>charlie: openssl s_client -connect hostname:port
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23:31<charlie>mendel, Oh that's just plain awesome, many thanks!
23:32<mendel>if you happen to need to send starttls to a mail server, add -starttls smtp
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