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---Logopened Wed Mar 10 00:00:05 2010
00:00<amitz>is the concept of user dependent timezone exist in linux?
00:00<amitz>so user a will have different timezone compared to user b.
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00:00<Sarahzz> do my boobs look small?
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00:01<jtsage>dunno, they look suspiciously like an air purifier ad. still.
00:02<amitz>shit, I fear the day when my amitzz is banned by pattern matching :-p
00:03<jtsage>aye. at least it's pointess advert spam this time.
00:05<tacticus>amitz: i like that idea about the timezones
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00:05<amitz>me too, anyway back to testing
00:07<Battousai>amitz: that day has come and gone. tjfontaine once banned *@*
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00:09<amitz>Battousai: yeah, I have heard about that day of noah.
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00:11<amitz>yay for generalization!
00:13<Pryon>Does my butt lok big?
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00:14<Pryon>I spel gud.
00:14<jtsage>i am terrified to click that.
00:14<Pryon>it's kitty pr0n
00:15<Pryon>depends on how your work feels about cats. or cardboard
00:15<amitz>but you may be implicated for beastiality anyway
00:15<jtsage><insert obligatory "hot pussy" comment here>
00:15<Pryon>Frankly, it's not a very entertaining picture.
00:16<Pryon>But it was the best I could come up with for the context
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00:22<amitz>any idea where to browse for baby names? The unique ones, not the typical list of baby names available in books.
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00:24<SelfishMan>!f unique baby names for urmom
00:24<linbot>SelfishMan: Keep your dirty hands off her. (57.208%)
00:25<amitz>definitely not "Selfishman".
00:25<SelfishMan>I've decided that Mr. Clean is a pedophile
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00:36*xpurple also wonders.
00:36<amitz>things I must do to install twirssi...
00:36<@Perihelion>Yeah it's kind of a pain
00:37<amitz>I hope the next debian will have it as a package.
00:37<xpurple>I'm sure it would be easy to write some elisp to do the trick of updating twitter :)
00:39<amitz>I don't know what elisp is but I have a feeling it has something to do with emacs ;-)
00:39-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*@] by Perihelion
00:39<@Perihelion>preemptive success?
00:40<amitz>you will never know.
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00:40<amitz>Score: Perihelion = unknown. *zz = 3.
00:41<amitz>I noticed 2 occurences where the spammer's username was in the form of *zz.
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00:42<amitz>and your winning score is unknown, and we'll probably never know.
00:43<amitz>this feels like when my ext3 was corrupted. Pressing so many "y" then enter buttons.
00:43<xpurple>That sucks
00:44<PotterSys>hi there! sorry to disturb, but i need a bit of help with Exim... _please_
00:44*xpurple still uses ext2 due to having a flash drive.
00:47<amitz>oh wait, the default seems to be yes. I can just press enter...
00:47<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
00:47<PotterSys>oh, sorry. so... just bought a linode, and I configuring an SMTP server with Exim (using the guideline). the questions are:
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00:49<PotterSys>a) how (and using which register type) do I config the DNS to point at? (i'm not using linode, long story)
00:50<PotterSys>*linode for DNS
00:50<PotterSys>b) how can I limit the users who can use the SMTP server? (creating a Linux user accordingly? adding an user to a config file?)
00:51<PotterSys>and c) which are the usual measures to avoid mails being marked as spam (SPF or things like that)
00:52<mdcollins>Well for a, im not sure i understand the question. Are you needing help with the dns records for the mail server?
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00:53<mdcollins>b, you have 2 options, either limit sending by connecting ip or ip range or by requiring pop authentication before using smtp
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00:54<mdcollins>c, spf should work and that is done on the dns side
00:55<PotterSys>for a): not with, but using what (an A or a MX record)
00:55<mdcollins>for mail servers you have to use an mx
00:55<mdcollins>mx (mail exchange) is specific to mail servers
00:55<PotterSys>always? even if I don't plan to actually receive mails?
00:56<PotterSys>*receive mails in that machine
00:56<mdcollins>if you are not going to recieve, then you wouldnt need an mx.
00:58<PotterSys>so an A would be enough
00:59<mdcollins>only if you want/need a domain or subdomain to point to the server
01:01<PotterSys>ok. that's it. thanks! (=
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01:01<mdcollins>Your welcome
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01:11*amitz abandons twirssi
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01:13<amitz>but let me see backports...
01:14<@Perihelion>iirc pparadis had to fixy it on here
01:14<amitz>oh, he had the fix?
01:15<amitz>!library twirssi
01:15<@Perihelion>It's not documented and I have no idea what the issue was :D
01:16<amitz>it's probably one of thing I press yes indiscriminately :-p
01:16<@Perihelion>Hello I am a real person.
01:16<@Perihelion>Just wanted to let you know that.
01:16<@Perihelion>In case any of you were wondering and all.
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01:16<amitz>I'm a real person too, in case you're wondering.
01:17<purrdeta>you rae?!
01:17<SirSquidness>can I be a real person too?
01:17<amitz>yes, you can!
01:17<amitz>we can be real!
01:18<amitz>purrdeta: doubter!
01:18<@Perihelion>YOURE A REAL BOY
01:18*pparadis will post a recording of him saying "I'M A REAL BOY" in a crazy falsetto sometime
01:19<mdcollins>Do it!!
01:19<amitz>and post it!
01:19<tjfontaine>um, hi?
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01:20<@Perihelion>Hello sir
01:20<amitz>tjfontaine: ssh, we're in the middle of RPG.
01:20<@Perihelion>Did you see the SPAM we almost got?
01:20<@Perihelion>I was distressed
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01:20<amitz>Perihelion: no. you will never know.
01:21<amitz>perhaps what you did is useless.
01:21<amitz>Perihelion: unknown. Spammer: 3.
01:22<amitz>oh wait, pparadis was speaking!
01:23<amitz>pparadis, so if I press yes to all questions when installing Net::Twitter, why it fails on make test?
01:24<mdcollins>it doesnt like you?
01:24<purrdeta>I was trying to get RT to work earlier and gave up because it wouldnt fixdeps.
01:24*amitz meanwhile checking through squueze dependency.
01:24<amitz>purrdeta: what's RT?
01:24<purrdeta>Request Tracker
01:25<@pparadis>amitz: probably missing supporting libraries
01:25<amitz>which I thought it should automatically pull. I guess I must read before pressing yes...
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01:26<amitz>to gazillion questions.
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01:32<amitz>I wish I never have to learn perl... I guess it's inevitable.
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01:42<kilroy1>trying to figure out best placement for linode. what site block no ports and would have a good response from NE Ohio area?
01:43<Battousai>probably jersey
01:43<SelfishMan>atlanta blocks some ports
01:43<kilroy1>I knew one of them did, couldnt remember which one. Thanks again.
01:43<Peng>SelfishMan: Did twofish lose its private network interface? I can't get a route to
01:44<Peng>Or, something anyway.
01:44<Peng>Hold up.
01:44<SelfishMan>I may have accidentally resized the wrong node
01:44<mdcollins>i have logs!
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01:49<Peng>SelfishMan: Ah, it's back? Thanks. <3
01:50<SelfishMan>Peng: it was back when I rejoined the channel
01:50<Peng>I *thought* I checked it more recently than that, but I'm not totally sure.
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01:51<Peng>On a related subject, man, doing eight 5-second DNS queries makes me want to stab myself. :P
01:51<mdcollins>umm, use a better dns server?
01:53<Peng>pparadis: NSD is not a resolver. :P
01:53<@pparadis>yeah oops
01:54<@pparadis>!library unbound
01:54<linbot>pparadis: 1. Using Unbound for Local DNS Resolution on Debian 5 (Lenny) (
01:54<Peng>It was just down for a little while and the resolver took a while to fall back to the next server.
01:54<@pparadis>but it could be down NEVAR
01:54<Peng>Where does that get fun?
01:55<@pparadis>for varying definitions of fun
01:57<encode>pparadis: just did my migration from UML to Xen, after the migration was complete I tried doing a couple things, but they failed. Seems like it took a while for the web interface to realise the host had changed
01:57<encode>might want to look into that at some point
01:58<encode>(everything is ok now though)
01:58<SelfishMan>pparadis: FIX IT NAO
01:58<@pparadis>encode: sorry about that, i'm aware and it's on the radar for investigation
01:59<encode>ok coo;
01:59<SelfishMan>YOU FAIL
01:59<linbot> <-- push it. now.
01:59<SelfishMan>DO IT
02:00<encode>damn one-handed typing
02:00<SelfishMan>wait, don't tell me why
02:00<encode>i had food in the other hand
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02:00<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
02:01*encode shrugs. Believe what you will. It was food, I ate it in front of my computer
02:01<@pparadis>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID
02:01<SelfishMan>was the webcam on?
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02:02<encode>if I was doing something other than eating, why would I be typing in #linode while doing so?
02:02<SelfishMan>cuz ur kinky like that
02:02<@Perihelion>I frequently do things other than eating while typing in #linode
02:03<@Perihelion>I'll let your minds wander on that one
02:03<@Perihelion>However it's nothing evil
02:03<@pparadis>encode: i can show you some pictures that demonstrate what is possible.
02:03<@Perihelion>just fyi
02:03<encode>pparadis: from now on, I'll be using elinks to open any links you paste. Just in case
02:03<@Perihelion>Whoever wants to update that link...
02:04<@pparadis>encode: that's okay i've done sploited that some time back imma gonna get my message through
02:04<linbot> <-- push it. nao.
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02:07<encode>while we're on the subject of fail, the ajax console seems to be doing just that right now. Failing.
02:07<SelfishMan>pparadis: FIX IT! NAO!
02:07*SelfishMan quietly sneaks away before getting kicked
02:08<encode>but only for my recently-migrated 'node
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02:08<encode>I think mikegrb has been sneaking around and breaking stuff again
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02:14<mikegrb>mmm cake
02:14<amitz>while looking for cake
02:15<mikegrb>mmm cake
02:15<@Perihelion>om nom nom cake
02:16<amitz>its seems the cpan pulls the wrong version of moose multilinear whatever thingie. Perhaps I can force a version, but too lazy :-/
02:17<amitz>other possibility is using the squeeze version of perl.... which I fear may break lots of things.
02:19<amitz>I demand a library entry for installing twirssi in debian!
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02:25<@pparadis>amitz: please email and CC (srsly)
02:25<purrdeta>I demand an entry for what to do if your linode bursts into flames.
02:25<amitz>woah, so easy. I love you pparadis ,muaaaaach
02:25<purrdeta>I love pparadis too.
02:25<purrdeta>But he doesnt love me :'(
02:25*pparadis makes shit work(TM)
02:26<@pparadis>purrdeta: i gots much <3 foy you
02:26<@pparadis>for even
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02:26<purrdeta>I know
02:26<encode>can there be a library entry for installing debian in twirssi too?
02:27*pparadis makes a centos package called "debian"
02:27*amitz didn't expect to be answered seriously ;-)
02:27<@pparadis>yum install debian
02:27<@pparadis>aliases to "yum install arealso"
02:27<@pparadis>os even
02:28<@Perihelion>yum install debian
02:28<womble>Any problems with dallas232 (or anything related thereto)? Web interface says it's running, ping disagrees.
02:28<@Perihelion>womble: You should have a ticket
02:28<womble>Hmmm... given that my e-mail runs off my linode...
02:28*amitz is composing
02:29<purrdeta>I lovez my linode
02:29<@Perihelion>See PM :)
02:35<jas4711>did atlanta have network issues a few hours ago?
02:35<amitz>finally sent pparadis! My neighbor must played with his/her wifi again.
02:35<amitz>take your time
02:37<mdcollins>i just realized i havent been running a firewall on my linode for over a year...
02:37<purrdeta>mdcollins: nice
02:37<mdcollins>yeah, but everything i run except one thing is public anyways
02:37<purrdeta>fair 'nuff
02:37<purrdeta>I did that for a while too, not gonna lie.
02:38<purrdeta>I suggest shorewall >.>
02:38<mdcollins>i had both firehol and shorewall installed.. just didnt use em
02:38<Peng>I don't run a firewall. It broke. :-\
02:39<mdcollins>i removed shorewall as it wasnt in my distros repository. and ill think about updating firehol for the new open ports (it had an old config)
02:39*pparadis uses vuurmuur
02:39<@pparadis>and is gonna make a doc on it
02:39<@pparadis>it's var nice
02:40<purrdeta>nice. I hadnt heard of it
02:40*mdcollins looks it up
02:40<@pparadis>it's quite nice
02:40<mdcollins>i like firehols simplicity
02:40<@pparadis>not "newb friendly" so to speak, but if you pay attention and don't learning it's _very_ nice.
02:41<@pparadis>vuurmuur lets you do basically anything you want
02:41<@pparadis>including fine-grained access control from various netowrks
02:41<@pparadis>networks even
02:41<@pparadis>all in a curses interfaces
02:41<@pparadis>which is win
02:41<@pparadis>it's the firewall configuration program _i_ would have written
02:41<mdcollins>hmm, ill look into it
02:42*Perihelion uses cfs
02:42<purrdeta>wait... curses?!
02:42<purrdeta>I want
02:42<mdcollins>anyone know how a program has a port open and set to listen, but its not showing in ps -ef?
02:42<mdcollins>more specifically epmd
02:46<SelfishMan>you use ps to show you what is listening?
02:46<SelfishMan>isn't that what netstat is for?
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02:59<@pparadis>anybody who wants to, please test any report bugs -->
02:59<@pparadis>adding more info to the site over the next couple of days
02:59<Peng>Ooh, sounds neat.
03:00<@pparadis>please report bugs to :)
03:00<@pparadis>and i promise more info and examples on the site in 48 hours
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03:01<amitz>ah, rsync for idiots, which is a very good thing ;-)
03:01<@pparadis>that's the idea :)
03:02<@pparadis>plus it supports pushing to as many servers as you want at the same time, so handy for deployment stuffs
03:02<encode>lazy is good, if it's the right kind of lazy
03:03<Peng>SelfishMan: You should add your DNS server(s) to :>
03:03<Peng>Not that anyone uses it, but... :D
03:03<amitz>I believe what motivates a good system admin is laziness.
03:04<Peng>Wait, no what?
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03:04<jcy`>hah, does caker give you guy a google 20% workday
03:04<amitz>hmm rephrase: laziness is a good motivator for sysadmin?
03:04<Peng>There's good lazy and bad lazy.
03:05<jcy`>i'm both
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03:05<Peng>Reducing the amount of work you have to do is a good thing, but being lazy and leaving things broken, never setting up backups or monitoring or whatever is not so good.
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03:06<linbot>New news from wiki: User:Purrdeta <>
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03:10*purrdeta added his DNS server to that page.
03:12<linbot>New news from wiki: User:Purrdeta <> || Internal Services <>
03:13<amitz>Peng: I know but disclaimer makes a general statement uncool :-p
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03:18<@Perihelion>stitch :D
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03:20<saikat>what's the site to check linode outages again?
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03:21<killing-joke>fremont host 80 seems to be buried under (behind?) some heavy traffic
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03:23<killing-joke>all better now. what an ugly five minutes that was.
03:24<@Perihelion>things are quiet on there
03:24<saikat>ah that must have been what i noticed too, killing-joke
03:24<bob2>I'm getting some odd lag in fremont
03:24<saikat>or wait, i'm on fremont101
03:25<saikat>but yeah, i'm also getting odd lag
03:25<saikat>my mem usage and such seem to be fine
03:25<Peng>Maybe disk I/O is sucking.
03:25<bob2>I'm on f121
03:25<saikat>yeah could be - i just checked the I/O graph, and there is a bit of a rise, but no sharp spike
03:25<saikat>is there something better i can check?
03:27<saikat>my SSH session is also going really slowly
03:27<jcy`>sadness. all the casinos in AC are sold out for the weekends of march
03:27<jcy`>i should ask caker if i can crash in the linode office
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03:30<killing-joke>suckage rising again
03:30<saikat>yeah same here
03:30<saikat>just got 47% packet loss on a ping
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03:39<saikat>lag seems to be gone
03:40<amitz>jcy`: I may trust them my linode, but I don't trust some of them to be alone with me. :-p
03:40<saikat>man, opened a support ticket, and got a response in 3 minutes
03:40<saikat>that is friggin awesome
03:42<SelfishMan>that is crap
03:42<SelfishMan>3 minutes is slow for linode
03:42<SelfishMan>They must have had to put their pants back on
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03:44<amitz>yes, that is the kind of thing I fear of.
03:44<killing-joke>i can't unthink that disgusting idea
03:45<killing-joke>where is BrainBleach at the store?
03:45<SelfishMan>amitz: there is nothing to fear except fear itself
03:45<SelfishMan>and mikegrb without any patns
03:46<killing-joke>target sport bra, $3.99
03:46<saikat>ahhh opened the link SelfishMan, and Safari decided right then to pause for about a minute on that page
03:46<killing-joke>eternal internet infamy as "that guy", priceless
03:47<SelfishMan>killing-joke: "that guy" is straterra in this channel
03:47*SelfishMan waits for a DMCA takedown notice from straterra
03:47<killing-joke>those must have been some goood mushrooms
03:48<SelfishMan>captain morgan I believe
03:48<SelfishMan>at least that is what he claims
03:48<SelfishMan>I'm actually completely numb to that image
03:48<amitz>saikat: welcome to the club for the tainted.
03:49<amitz>to avoid persecution, I recommend you taint more people to make use a majority.
03:49*SelfishMan needs to get a new domain for that image
03:49<SelfishMan>all the old domains are already blacklisted by people
03:50<amitz>uh, shit.
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03:55<jcy`>i saw a picture of myself 20 years ago from an old passport
03:55<jcy`>20 years and 60lbs ago
03:55<amitz>and you throw up?
03:55<jcy`>so i've lost my appetite since, so i think i've had 2 meals in 3 days
03:55<amitz>oh, glory days eh? ;-)
03:56<amitz>wait, you're smaller now?
03:56<jcy`>of course not
03:56<jcy`>i used to be 180 now i'm 240
03:57<amitz>it seems that once you pass a certain age, your weight will drecrease anyway.
03:57<jcy`>uh yeah long after i'm sexually desirable i'm sure
03:58<Peng>amitz: Once you're dead it will. :D
03:59<amitz>well, once we're dead, we'll be desirable to some people :-p
03:59<amitz>Peng: arguably not. You're just more ...scattered than usual.
04:00<amitz>yeah, Yaakov will say something if he were here.
04:00<jcy`>youtube has found a new way to annoy me
04:00<jcy`>that stupid little red CC button keeps getting in the way when i try to adjust the volume
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04:06<jcy`>everyone see this? commercially available jetpacks:
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04:23<goose>the worst part of playing Mass Effect is that it tells me when I load my saved game files how many hours/minutes of my life I've wasted staring at my tv ._.
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04:28<amitz>why FM radio is quite reliable whereas wifi isn't even though FM radio process everythign realt time.?
04:29<Rob>last time i checked your laptop didnt possess a transmitter that was equivilent to those used to broadcast fm radio signals? :)
04:30<goose>psh, wireless transmitter
04:30<goose>I use smoke signals to IRC
04:30<goose>then whenever it rains, I ping out :(
04:30*purrdeta hugs FM radio
04:30<goose>* Received a CTCP VERSION from goose
04:30<goose>-goose- VERSION Smoke signals. No, seriously.
04:32<goose>I ping about as I please
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04:32<goose>but that's because I usually put my laptop to sleep, preserves my linux uptime :D
04:36<encode>amitz: simple. FM radio is a one-way conversation
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04:46<encode>pop quiz. IO usage per process, kernel
04:47<bob2>you can do the block dump thing
04:47<bob2>and drown in data
04:47<bob2>upgrading the kernel + iotop is probably far quicker if you can afford a reboot
04:47<encode>I'm thinking the easiest is just to switch kernels to the latest one
04:48<encode>I'll just keep an eye on the io graph for now... avg is only 22.87
04:49<bob2>load avg?
04:49<encode>load avg is fine
04:49<encode>i'm only curious cos io usage is higher than it was prior to my recent UML -> Xen migration
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04:52<Peng>Xen counts I/O differently.
04:54<encode>I suspected something like that might be the case. both cpu and io graphs are very different in shape
04:56<Peng>CPU is probably just because the kernel is different.
04:57<Peng> could be Xen too. I dunno.
04:57<tschundeee>hey I run my linode with ubuntu804 and nginx + passenger... my websitefolders are located in /var/www/. What is the best practice to run the webserver with which user?
04:57<bob2>whatever your OS used
04:57<encode>Peng: hmm. Well, I'll wait and see
04:58<encode>tschundeee: which distro? most common is either "nobody" or "www-data"
04:59<joema>ubuntu makes uses of www-data
05:00<amitz>encode: ah. So if wifi doesn't have to sync, it will be more powerful? something is missing.
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05:01<tschundeee>encode: ubuntu804lts
05:01<tschundeee>shall I chown -R the whole www folder to this www-data user?
05:04<jcy`>amitz i don't think FM radio stations use a box the size of a linksys router to broadcast their signal
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05:05<encode>FM radio stations would use much higher quality components, properly tuned antennas, and one way traffic
05:05<encode>all of which means that there really is no comparison between fm radio and wifi
05:06<encode>fm radio also uses lower-frequency signals, meaning they go further
05:06<encode>but wifi would be better at going aroudn corners
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05:07<joema>tschundeee: allow only read and possibly execute rights to the www-data user. i suggest u allow only read, check if the site works, if not allow execute
05:08<encode>having write and execute in a location is not a good idea
05:08<encode>have one, or the other, but if at all possible, not both
05:08<tschundeee>tschundeee: the thing is: it is a bit annoying to always have to set permissions manually for folders where the server has to write data..
05:08*mdcollins is really late
05:09<encode>tschundeee: you'll find it more annoying rebuilding your server after it's been hacked
05:09<mdcollins>im using netstat to show connections and ps to list running processes
05:09<tschundeee>encode: okay thats a point!
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05:14<Sarahzz> do my boobs look small?
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05:14<mdcollins>oy.. should we check it?
05:15<tschundeee>I want to git-commit my rails apps like a pro! so whenever I push to my repo my server shall execute a git-hook that deploys my railsapp... anybody has a good tutorial on this? I googled a bit and found this one here: BUT I use nginx + passenger and so this is not fitting for me...
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05:19<jcy`>that link will most likely lead to a site hosting an adobe reader or flash exploit
05:19*mdcollins ran it in his test winxp virtual box
05:19<jcy`>haha perv
05:20<mdcollins>it redirected to a supposid roommate lookup site
05:21<tschundeee>SpaceHobo: yeah that would be great for lazy people like me...
05:21<tschundeee>btw what is the linux command to show all installed users?
05:22<mdcollins>shouldnt it be owned by the reg user, but with the http group with read only on the group?
05:22<mdcollins>read only for the group*
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05:23<mdcollins>tschundeee, cat /etc/passwd will list all of em
05:24<tschundeee>SpaceHobo: is that okay: www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh ?
05:24<tschundeee>mdcollins: thx this works great
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05:26<mdcollins>or even more readable: cat /etc/passwd | cut -d: -f1
05:28*mdcollins never used getent before
05:28<mdcollins>seems to do what i did the first time
05:30*mdcollins was reading up
05:31<mdcollins>i guess if you pull from multiple places and want to see what pam has..
05:32*Yaakov hooks SpaceHobo into LDAP, backwards.
05:32<mdcollins>ive never even seen it, guess i never hit the use case for it though
05:34<mdcollins>anyways, time to sleep
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05:36<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: I chose to hook you to LDAP, if you have problems with that please contact the Change Management Board. Thank you.
05:36<Yaakov>So my city is competeing for the Google Gigabit-Fiber-to-the-Home thingy.
05:36<Yaakov>That would be pretty cool.
05:37<Yaakov>I wouldn't mind a gig uplink...
05:39<Yaakov>I would finally not have to be annoyed by my children's overuse of bandwidth.
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05:49<amitz>encode: a,h i assume fequency matters more.
05:49<Yaakov>amitz: No.
05:50<Yaakov>A broadcast signal doesn't require the tiny transmitter of the peer to acknowledge packets. It simply streams the data (analog or digital) with or without error correction code. In the case of broadcast audio, interpolation is sufficient to do error correction, it doesn't even need FEC.
05:50<amitz>ah? please clarify Yaakov. bbl
05:51<Yaakov>The limiting factor in WiFi, in general, is the client's tiny radio.
05:52<Yaakov>That and multipath, which is worse at higher frequencies, but that comes after the issues of low power.
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05:55<Yaakov>Wow, my ad hoc log analysis is whacking the CPU on my 'node.
05:56<Yaakov>And disk IO is at 802.49 5-minute average.
05:56<Yaakov>46.17% CPU.
05:57<Yaakov>I hate the way that screws up the graph scaling. I wish that was selectable.
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06:31<carol>carol's back. My 360 Node is averaging 200K Swap continually since adding ASPX support (a necessary evil) Is this a reason to expand memory?
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06:36<Peng>carol: With some optimization, you may be able to decrease your memory requirements...
06:37<carol>fully optimized already (at least LAMP is)
06:38<Peng>No such thing. :P
06:38<Peng>If you've optimized things well and you're still low on memory, yes, getting more memory is the next step.
06:38<carol>w/o hurting performance that is...
06:38<Peng>What do you mean "averaging 200K Swap"? 200K of I/O per second?
06:39<carol>it is that darn aspx mono and xsp. Cacti tells me that my average swap for the last 12 hours (since the install) is 192K
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06:56<A-KO>I think that's a pretty important question Peng :P
06:57<A-KO>too bad they couldn't answer it
07:00<Peng>carol said it was from Cacti, so we can figure it out of we want to.
07:01<A-KO>well, I wouldn't be *too* concerned if it was 192K of swap usage....
07:01<A-KO>if that was i/o I'd be a bit more concerned
07:01<Peng>Yeah, if it's 192 KB total that's fine.
07:02<A-KO>so many people don't understand memory usage it's a shame
07:02<Peng>Even 192 KB/s I/O isn't that bad -- it won't take anything down -- though it's obviously still a concern to be consistently low on RAM.
07:02<A-KO>it's a lot to understand though :P I do a lot of performance monitoring in both linux and windows.
07:02<Peng>Someone should have tried harder to make sure carol wasn't misunderstanding...
07:03<A-KO>it's pretty amusing walking into meetings with charts from performance monitors and there's a lot of Page Reads/sec (Windows) on this application and system we're building up--when the systems themselves have 3GB of ram...
07:03<Peng>I left iftop paused for an hour or two, unpaused it, and now it's eating my CPU. :D
07:03<A-KO>it's like "uuuhm, yeah, you probably want to get more ram or optimize that application."
07:05<A-KO> If you're interested on the Windows side of things :P Page Reads/sec is the # of hard faults the system is encountering.
07:05<encode>getting more ram is easier and quicker
07:05<encode>up to a point
07:05<A-KO>yeah, it is.
07:06<Peng>Yes. You still need to do basic optimization, though, or you'll never have enough RAM.
07:06<A-KO>The only thing I wish about optimizing apache is that their documentation was a little bit more forthcoming about the relationship of the processes and threads within apache and how it uses memory.
07:07<A-KO>I don't think they're usually very clear about it
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07:14<SpaceGhostC2C>Do I need bind9 at all if I have a hostname and am using the nameservers for linode?
07:15<Peng>Well...the resolver and other tools (e.g. 'host') are nice. But you don't need named.
07:16<SpaceGhostC2C>What is it useful for?
07:17<Peng>SpaceGhostC2C: What is what useful for?
07:17<chesty>he asked first
07:18<SpaceGhostC2C>What is host useful for?
07:18<SpaceGhostC2C>so, I just won't configure it at all, but the tools that come with it are nice?
07:19<Peng>SpaceGhostC2C: host - DNS lookup utility
07:19<Peng>Depending on the distro, you don't even need to have named installed.
07:19<bob2>dnsutils is the thing you want on debuntu
07:19<SpaceGhostC2C>Oh, It's karmic on ubuntu.
07:20<Peng>I also have bind9-host.
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07:23<bob2>tht just has a fancy host command
07:23<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: thanks.
07:24<bob2>dnsutils has got dig, yo
07:24<Peng>bob2: They're both useful.
07:24<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: you're useful :)
07:24<Peng>I dispute that. :D
07:25<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: you're too busy being useful to do that :)
07:25<Peng>Personally, I use 'host' when I just want A/AAAA/MX records, and dig for anything more complicated.
07:25<bob2>heh, for that you do need bind9-host
07:25<Peng>I never use nslookup. :D
07:26<SpaceGhostC2C>Since this is linode support. Is it cool if I come here for help with setting up my own mail server when I start that?
07:27<Peng>But the first things we'll say are "Use Google Apps" and "" :P
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07:28<jcy`>he's paying for a linode, don't think he should have to pay for google apps, imo
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07:28<bob2>stop forcing people to pay for things, peng
07:28<Peng>I also told carol to upgrade. :D
07:29<Peng>Isn't Google Apps free for most use?
07:29<bob2>a) google apps std edition is free b) no one is stopping anyone running their own mail server, just suggesting that it may not be something they care enough about
07:30<jcy`>google apps isn't free for your own domain, iirc
07:30<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: the reason I want to isn't to avoid spending money, but for the experience and knowledge of it..
07:30<Peng>Besides, running your own is only free if your time and hair don't count for anything.
07:30<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: I'm self employed and I have lots of hair to spare.
07:30<bob2>jcy`: it is free for your own domain
07:31<jcy`>oh i didn't know
07:31<bob2>it's only pay for some slightly obscure features, lots of users, sla or no ads
07:31<SpaceGhostC2C>In my linode, it's cool to use it as a webhost, right?
07:31<SpaceGhostC2C>I can charge people for hosting their site on my server, right?
07:31<Peng>SpaceGhostC2C: Sure
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07:32<SpaceGhostC2C>Okay, so, I have one client already. But I'm planning on adding two more in the near future.
07:32<Peng>The Google Apps website is more business-oriented than it used to be.
07:32<SpaceGhostC2C>Each is going to have it's own domain name, and I'm using virtual hosts in apache to manage that.
07:33<SpaceGhostC2C>I'm going to need to set up email accounts for them though. Using their domain name.
07:36<SpaceGhostC2C>Is that a legitimate reason to use my own mail server?
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07:37<SpaceGhostC2C>I don't want to go configure some other service everytime I need to add a new client or email. I'd rather keep it somewhere I can manage it all.
07:38<chesty>if you want to ran a mail server, run one. but spam is a real drag to deal with, and uses a lot of computing resources as well as human
07:40<SpaceGhostC2C>chesty: could I use my own mail server, but use another source to manage the spam?
07:41<bob2>that's what postini does
07:41<bob2>probably too rich for your blood though
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07:42<SpaceGhostC2C>bob2: yes.
07:43<chesty>chickity china
07:44<SpaceGhostC2C>Dude, summer glau was so awesome.
07:45<SpaceGhostC2C>I meant in firefly.
07:46<Peng>She is awesome. :D
07:46<Peng>Not "was". :P
07:46<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: her performance in firefly was awesome.
07:54<SpaceGhostC2C>I know it's entirely offtopic, but can I get some band name to listen to, not hardcore or country or rap.
07:56<Daevien>jed's favorite: backstreet boys?
07:57<chesty>show me the meaning, of being lonely
08:02<SpaceGhostC2C>Oh dear.
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08:07<carol>Here is a helpful article for optimizing apache and mysql on a small vps:
08:10<carol>He says to add three settings to my.cnf skip-innodb, skip-locking and skip-external-locking. Any disadvantage to following this advice?
08:10<Peng>Ah, carol's back!
08:11<hawk>carol: I doubt the locking is there just for fun
08:11<carol>chesty what are the disadvantages?
08:11<Peng>carol: When you said your graphs showed 200 KB of swap usage, what was it measuring? The total amount of swap used, or the swap reads and writes per second?
08:11<Peng>carol: If it's the former, that's not a problem at all... How much RAM are you using?
08:12<carol>Peng: it was measuring the total amount used. I decided to tell the division manager that he should have the site rewritten for apache not overweight windows. Without the ASP support I am back to not needing swap
08:14<Peng>carol: It's not abnormal to have a little swap used, and it's not necessarily a problem.
08:14<Peng>It obviously depends on how much RAM you're using and how much you're swapping, which you didn't say.
08:15<Peng>It's more efficient to swap rarely-used RAM out and use it for disk caching than to avoid using swap at all.
08:15<carol>The node has 360M, with asp support apache was using swap (about 100 - 300K) constantly.
08:15<carol>with Mysql is like the big improvement comes from skip-innodb.
08:16<SpaceGhostC2C>If I'm running multiple websites, where should I put them?
08:17<SpaceGhostC2C>chesty: no
08:17<chesty>just don't ever reboot
08:17<SpaceGhostC2C>srs question is srs.
08:17<Peng>SpaceGhostC2C: /var/www and /srv/www are popular.
08:17<Peng>SpaceGhostC2C: So is /home
08:17<chesty>i use /www
08:19<SpaceGhostC2C>I was thinking about it. I was considering having /home/<sitename> and then create a user for each for the client to use. I'd need to jail them in and give them ftp access.
08:19<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
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08:20<SpaceGhostC2C>chesty: I know that.
08:20<SpaceGhostC2C>But my clients are dolts.
08:20<spkitty>i put them in /srv/www/site and create a user with access to that, and then give individual clients access to the root directory of their website
08:21<SpaceGhostC2C>spkitty: do you make sure they're jailed in?
08:21<SpaceGhostC2C>What should I give them, shell wise?
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08:22<spkitty>i just set their home directory to the root of their website, so yes
08:22<SpaceGhostC2C>spkitty: what stops them from cd'ing out of it?
08:23<spkitty>i jail them into it yes
08:24<SpaceGhostC2C>What shell do you give them?
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08:25<SpaceGhostC2C>I was thinking about haveing inside the home directory, a directory for the site and just make their home good for say, coding stuff. let them access it from just to see if it ain't broke, or something.
08:25<SpaceGhostC2C>I think I'll do /home for mine.
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08:44<Luarazz> does my ass look big?
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08:46<jcy`>wow those irc hit and run spammers are annoying
08:48<SpaceGhostC2C>Whoa, no language restriction here?
08:49<Peng>Woah, I hadn't noticed that this bot said "ass" instead...
08:49<SpaceGhostC2C>SpaceHobo: I knew that.
08:49<Peng>Words that use Y as a vowel!
08:49<Peng>We have to get rid of those.
08:50<SpaceGhostC2C>SpaceHobo: well, swearing.
08:50<chesty>there will be no fucking swearing in the channel
08:50<SpaceGhostC2C>SpaceHobo: but this channel doesn't have to be family friendly.
08:50<SpaceGhostC2C>My family isn't friendlt.
08:51*SpaceGhostC2C tells SpaceHobo that he knows what you fucking mean.
08:52<SpaceGhostC2C>So really then, no problem with swearing?
08:52<SpaceGhostC2C>Very interesting.
08:52<bob2>be nice
08:53<SpaceGhostC2C>Localisation of swears. wow.
08:53<SpaceGhostC2C>I'd include other language's swear words, puta.
08:54<SpaceGhostC2C>I know some more, but I don't focus on learning them.
08:59<Peng>SpaceHobo: Sure -- that's what the standard radio alphabet (alpha, bravo, etc.) is for. :D (Kidding, mostly.)
08:59<Peng>Well, pronunciation varies.
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09:01<SpaceGhostC2C>SpaceHobo: did you really waste your time to do that? Haha.
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09:02<Peng>Oh, right, "alfa". /me feels bad for using the FAA version.
09:02<Peng>...Is that a script?
09:02*Peng reads what it says.
09:02<SpaceGhostC2C>Dear god.
09:02<Peng>(the non-morse version, anyway)
09:03<Peng>Oh god.
09:03*SpaceGhostC2C ignores SpaceHobo.
09:03<chesty>puvpxvgl puvan, gur puvarfr puvpxra
09:05<jcy`>for any BSG fans who are also fans of beastie boys:
09:06<Peng>BSGtie Boys?
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09:10<SpaceGhostC2C>caker: so, no problem with language in terms of swearing?
09:11<SpaceGhostC2C>SpaceHobo: you shut your mouth :)
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09:11*JshWright abuses SpaceHobo excessively
09:12*SpaceGhostC2C abusively JshWrights SpaceHobo excessively.
09:13<@caker>SpaceGhostC2C: I'd prefer ludeness and excessive use of foul language to be kept to a minimum, but it's pointless to enforce some strict policy ...
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09:13<SpaceGhostC2C>caker: duly noted.
09:13<@caker>don't be a douche and I think no one will have a problem
09:13<amitz>SpaceGhostC2C, SpaceHobo, thegodlikehobo, oh god...
09:13<jcy`>oh thanks for the link SpaceHobo, i was just about to open two windows to compare them
09:14<SpaceGhostC2C>caker: what about correcting your misspelling of lewdness?
09:15<@caker>that I actually deeply appreciate
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09:15<chesty>the spelling nazi tripped up. whoo
09:15<bob2>it was a subtle quaalude reference
09:15<SpaceGhostC2C>caker: you like spelling things correctly too?
09:15<SpaceGhostC2C>SpaceHobo: NO U
09:16<@caker>SpaceGhostC2C: yes, and long walks on the beach
09:16*caker winks
09:16<amitz>Yaakov: ah, you're also saying that doesn't really need precise error correction since it's somewhat guessable from interpolation given the physical limit of so called sound?
09:16*SpaceGhostC2C feels bad, he's married.
09:17<SpaceGhostC2C>caker: maybe coffee and pastries sometime, we can correct eachother.
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09:19<SpaceGhostC2C>caker: almost to excess, yes.
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09:22<SpaceGhostC2C>Oh hot damn, this is my jam...
09:22*SpaceGhostC2C goes to off himself.
09:24<@caker>one of the two coreys died.</dish>
09:26<@caker>that one, yeah
09:26<SpaceGhostC2C>About damn time.
09:26<SpaceGhostC2C>^generic response
09:26<jcy`>oh the lame one
09:26<jcy`>ugh he was 38 just like me
09:27<SpaceGhostC2C>jcy`: you're next.
09:27<chesty>a bit harsh
09:28<SpaceGhostC2C>Obviously chesty follows. :)
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09:34<SpaceGhostC2C>If I got a ssl cert from my registrar, how do I use it with my website and mailserver and other applications/
09:36<chesty>!library ssl
09:36<linbot>chesty: 1. Securing Servers with SSL ( - 2. How to Make a Self-Signed SSL Certificate ( - 3. Using SSL with Apache 2 on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) (
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10:21<@jed>chuck norris is 70 today
10:22<@jed>...or is he?
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10:22<bash>Was there network outages in the Atlanta DC last night?
10:23<bash>around 2AM EST I could get to the sites but the owner couldn't
10:23<@jed>it'd be news to me
10:23<@jed>we post wide-ranging outages on
10:23<bash> thought the site was up; thought it was down
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10:32<Peng>Probably some issue with the tubes outside of Atlanta.
10:33<Talman>If you can get in, and someone else can't...
10:33<Talman>Then its usually not the DC.
10:33<Talman>If it was the DC, then nobody'd get in.
10:33<Peng>It's possible for the DC to have a partial failure.
10:34<Talman>The DC itself, or one of the providers?
10:34<Talman>Or are you talking about a rack switch blowing?
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10:35<Peng>I wasn't being so specific.
10:36<tom1>Hello - anyone installed mailgraph?
10:36<Guspaz>jed: We're not celebrating Chuck Norris becoming 70 years old, for he is eternal, but 70 years of our knowledge of his existence.
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10:36<Peng>I pretty much meant "something where yelling at the DC NOC is useful", whether because a switch or exploded or so they can yell at one of their upstream providers.
10:37<Peng>s/ or/
10:37<Peng>err, s/ or//
10:37<chesty>s/ /?
10:37<chesty>no, s//
10:38<chesty>s/ or// + s/ or/ = s//
10:39<Peng>Brain shutting now.
10:39<Peng>s/now/down now/ !
10:39<Talman>Now, it is time for me to listen to TWiT.
10:39<Talman>Chuck Norris is what.
10:42<Talman>The Federal Constitutional Court in the western Germany city of Karlsruhe threw out the woman's appeal because she was "unable to give a coherent account of how her fears would come about."
10:42<jcy`>he looks pretty good for 70
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10:43<jcy`>another guy that's aging pretty well is bill murray
10:43<jcy`>i heard that sometimes he shows up at random parties in brooklyn
10:43<jcy`>since his marriage started to fall apart, according to gawker
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10:44<sadiq>Bill Murray is only 59.
10:44<chesty>courney cox is ageing well
10:44<jcy`>that's ancient to me
10:44<jcy`>who's older, sandra bullock or courtney cox?
10:44<Talman>Bill Murray probably just shows up to either socialize, or hate.
10:44<jcy`>also i think CC gets a lot of plastic surgery done
10:45<chesty>i was being sarcastic she's a wreck
10:45<chesty>hang on, i think i meant courney love
10:45<jcy`>i dunno if she's a wreck but she was in .... yeah
10:45<jcy`>yeah you meant her, not CC
10:46<Talman>>> COurtney Love was a wreck long ago.
10:47<chesty>amy winehouse is looking good, too
10:47<Talman>Jesus. What is that thing.
10:49<chesty>she was talented, but the meth has been brutal
10:49<Talman>I've never heard her.
10:49<Talman>But what I saw...
10:49<chesty>english singer, i believe
10:50<Talman>Wait, there's a "porn detector" USB stick?
10:51<jcy`>yes, stick it into a windows machine and autorun will give it an STD
10:51<Talman>LOL. "Is digital forensic software for cops, or parents?"
10:52<stefanie>best morning conversation ever
10:52<Talman>I've used forensic software, and I don't think most parents would know how to use.
10:52<Talman>Awesome! John C. Dovorak is ragging on IRC.
10:53<Talman>"Its not that hard! Kids can use it for pron!"
10:53<Guspaz>Talman: But, he rags on everything.
10:53<Talman>Yeah, yeah he does.
10:54<stefanie>Talman: You forgot schools, and churches for users.
10:54<pharaun>someone just fucked my VM today at work
10:54<pharaun>anyway, does anyone know a good document on all of the "SSH" auth paths that ssh goes through so i can check all files and unfuck it
10:55<pharaun>more specifically publickey auth
10:55<Talman>Schools just lock their networks down, and churches... unless its a non-denom or baptist super church, I don't think they'd have the personnel to figure out how to use it.
10:55<stefanie>What about teh Catholic Church...
10:57<chesty>they publish their own porn
10:58<stefanie>chesty ++
10:58<stefanie>Also babies, and cardboard boxes are considered suspected porn.
10:59<tom1>whats a good mail stats tool for postfix running on debian?
11:01<Peng>Where is Dvorak complaining about IRC?
11:02<jcy`>it's probably a column
11:02<chesty>or TWiT
11:03<jcy`>most of the stuff he says is so completely off the wall
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11:19<bash>Cacti or Munin... Cacti or Munin... hmmm
11:19<@jed>no contest: munin
11:20<Peng>An intern with SSH access and a dry erase board!
11:23<bash>f'n perl
11:23<@tychoish>that sounds like it might hurt
11:24<@tychoish>munin is super usable, and while cacti is powerful and awesome in its own way, its... overkill in many situations, and there's lots of pain
11:25<pharaun>i agree
11:25<pharaun>cacti is awesome but gah it was *PAINFUL* to setup
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11:31<pharaun>question, how can you verify that the sshd is config'd properly?
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11:32<JshWright>pharaun: uhh.... use it?
11:32<Guspaz>It pretty much tends to come configured properly out of the box.
11:32<JshWright>(is this a trick question?)
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11:36*SpaceGhostC2C thinks JshWright is a trick question.
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11:37<oxez>how long should a RDNS take to propagate?
11:37<SpaceGhostC2C>oxez: 4 - 24 hours. AFAIK
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11:38*rythm is gonna get you!
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11:38<jcy`>he could have at least spelled rhythm right
11:38<oxez>SpaceGhostC2C: ok thx. It's been 18hours, was wondering if something went wrong heh.
11:39<SpaceGhostC2C>oxez: make sure nothing is wrong, and don't change it if nothing is wrong.
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11:43<pharaun>JshWright: heh its not a trick question
11:43<pharaun>someone just screwed up my ssh account at work
11:43<pharaun>so i'm trying to repair the damage
11:43<JshWright>your "ssh account"?
11:44<pharaun>yeah, i got a rhel vm at work
11:44<JshWright>ssh just uses the normal system accounts
11:44<pharaun>i know, but what i mean is
11:44<pharaun>i was not able to log into the vm via my user account
11:44<pharaun>yet i was able to via root, and via a new test account
11:44<JshWright>as root: passwd [your username]
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11:45<pharaun>already did
11:45<pharaun>multiple time
11:45<pharaun>didn't do jack
11:45<pharaun>same issue with public key
11:45<linbot>b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4 b4. GAH THE FAILURE IS CONTAGIOUS!
11:45<pharaun>the other accounts could get in via public key just fine, just not *this* one account
11:45<pharaun>i checked my sshd config
11:45<pharaun>i checked to see if the account was disabled, etc it wasn't
11:46<pharaun>and the odd thing is, once i deleted that user account, and re-created it, guess what it works now
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11:48<pharaun>I've checked passwd, groups, shadow, etc, and then i checked sshd config, checked pam, rebooted the machine, checked that my ~/.ssh was setup properly, checked the logs, ran ssh on -vvv, etc
11:48<pharaun>zlitch, it would fail the public key then switch to password auth, and fail
11:49<pharaun>any other ideas of what/where to check?
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11:51<pharaun>/etc/shells ?
11:51<@caker>the shell in the /etc/passwd entry for that user
11:51<SpaceGhostC2C>pharaun: couldn't is just be his ssh keys? When you accept keys.
11:51<pharaun>SpaceGhostC2C: i stripped out the known_hosts, i also redid the public key a couple time
11:52<bash>there's munin apt-get's
11:52<bash>of course
11:52<pharaun>and it works for *any* other accounts just not *this*
11:52<pharaun>and i was able to ssh in as root, then sudo to that account just fine
11:52<SpaceGhostC2C>pharaun: I'd have just removed the ssh keys. all of them.
11:52<SpaceGhostC2C>pharaun: you mean su,right?
11:53<pharaun>SpaceGhostC2C: yes, and yes i did that with the ssh keys
11:53<pharaun>i'm so used to typing in sudo, but i ment su - <account>
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11:54<pharaun>at this point i'm kind of at a loss
11:54<SpaceGhostC2C>pharaun: well, glad things got fixed.
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11:55<pharaun>SpaceGhostC2C: yeah, i moved the files, deleted the account, re-add it, and now its working
11:55<SpaceGhostC2C>It's related to your user's configs in their home.
11:55<pharaun>so i'm at a loss of what the fuck happened
11:55<SpaceGhostC2C>pharaun: configs.
11:55<pharaun>SpaceGhostC2C: how so?
11:55<pharaun>i copied all of the dot files
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11:55<pharaun>and re-copied it into the new account and it worked
11:55<SpaceGhostC2C>pharaun: cool.
11:56<pharaun>so i don't know wtf at this point, might have hit a rare glitch or something got messed up somehow on that account
11:56<pharaun>but regardless its finally working again, but *sigh* lost 2 hours this morning to that bullshit
11:57<pharaun>but anyway thanks :)
11:59<josemoreira>any1 knows if linode supports a opensolaris kernel?
12:00<@caker>josemoreira: I got it running once a few weeks back
12:00<josemoreira>caker any glitches ?
12:00<@caker>don't bother
12:00<josemoreira>what happened?
12:01<@caker>for starters, when the kernel boots it drops you into a debugger
12:01<@caker>and there's some cryptic command it needs to continue. That was fine - but it crashed on me a bunch. I gave up on it
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12:06<bash>zfs isn't worth it man
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12:07<Talman>You know, not only do I hate calling people, I hate calling people then having Google inform them that the call is being recorded.
12:08<Peng>Wait what? Why is Google recording calls?
12:08<Talman>Because my boss wants to be confrontational.
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12:08<Talman>So, if you call the company number, when we answer, we have to press 4.
12:08<Talman>Before you speak.
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12:09<Talman>Keep in mind, this is the same person who bought a 25 dollar magicjack for a company number, till I threw it in a box because the call quality is so low that people refused to call.
12:10<Solver>get a new job
12:10<Talman>I need to find the stupid thing's SIP credentials and hook it into Asterisk for a line in/line out.
12:10<Talman>Yeah, trying. :) So far unless you have a 2 year degree in this town, nobody wants to talk to you.
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12:13<Guspaz>2-year degree?
12:13<Guspaz>Like, a professional degree rather than a university degree?
12:14<JshWright>I the US it's typically called an "Associates" degree
12:14<Guspaz>That doesn't help much :P
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12:14<Talman>We go to grade 12.
12:14<laser`>According to Wikipedia it's equivalent to a foundation year
12:14<Talman>What do you call after grade 10?
12:15<Guspaz>We call it grade 11.
12:15<tjfontaine>this one goes to 11
12:15<Talman>Ah. :)
12:15<Guspaz>Highschool is grade 7-11, after which CEGEP for 2-3 years, then university for 3.
12:15<Talman>It would be grade 13 and 14.
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12:16<Guspaz>CEGEP would be where you get a 2-year pre-university DEC (diplôme d'études collégiales) or a 3-year professional degree.
12:16<element8>hey, lets say i have a process that seems to be utilizing more CPU than i want it to... is there a way to somehow set a max CPU usage for it (like a CPU priority thing) for it so that it won't go beyond using too much??
12:17<npmr>man renice
12:18<bash>nice 20 <startsomeprogra<
12:18<bash>or renice 20 -p <pid> (if memory serves, should check that man page npmr posted)
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12:19<element8>k and how much will that adjust it to use?
12:20<bash>higher number = less cpu
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12:20<element8>oh ok
12:20<element8>seems to still use the same amount
12:20<bash>if you need your root shell to run to shut down an out of control apache or something, you can nice -20 your shell and give it more priority
12:20<bash>is your cpu less than full utilization?
12:20<bash>if your cpu isn't at full tilt there is no point in queuing
12:21<element8>ok i just tried doing renice 50 -p <pid> and it seems it only changes it to 19.. no higher than 19
12:21<SpaceGhostC2C>it limits it.
12:21<bash>I think the range is like -20 to 20 or so
12:22<element8>its not apache.. something using up like 110% cpu and its really not even that much of a process so theres no reason it should be using that much, only thing i can think of is bad coding practice.. restarting it doesn't help
12:22<bash>you're on a multiprocessor machine?
12:22<sungo>mikegrb++ # qrcode as profile pic on twitter
12:22<element8>how am i supposed to know that?
12:22<bash>Basically what I'm saying is, if the machines cpu isn't maxed then nice won't do anything
12:23<bash>if your problem is just that the program takes too much cpu, then it's the fault of the program
12:23<element8>but i don't want to get in trouble for my program using that much cpu
12:23<bash>you should find a more efficent one, or come to grips with it using that
12:23<bash>you're on linode?
12:23<element8>why else would i ask here about it lol
12:23<Talman>Is it pegging the processor at 110% indefinately?
12:24<Talman>I'm not even sure that taking a single core of a 4 core system up would affect anyone else.
12:24<element8>i keep getting email every 2 hours saying that my node is peaking at 110% cpu usage for the last 2 hours
12:24<Talman>element8 those are user settable.
12:24<element8>oh ok
12:24<Talman>You can turn it off, or raise the usage indicator, or lower it.
12:24<element8>so they're not going to say anything to me about that much usage?
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12:24<Talman>Do you have a plan if they do?
12:25<element8>not really
12:25<Talman>I don't believe they will, but then again, I don't work for Linode. :)
12:25<Talman>And I take it your program is steady at 110% 24/7?
12:25<element8>maybe it isn't the program.. could be that it's run with mono
12:25<element8>mono have any known issues like that?
12:25<element8>yes talman
12:25<SpaceGhostC2C>element8: work on that.
12:25<element8>work on what?
12:26<Talman>That you're using .NET framework on a linux box? :)
12:26<Talman>Anyway... Check your linode maanger.
12:26<Talman>There's a graph showing how much total of the host CPU you're using.
12:26<Talman>That's your indication if you're going to be a problem for the host box or not.
12:27<element8>graph shows differently
12:28<SpaceGhostC2C>Talman: it's a graph of the total I'm using on the host cpu?
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12:28<element8>no idea why there was a sudden drop in cpu usage for like 2 hours there from 6 to 8
12:29<Talman>SpaceGhostC2C, what's the caption say?
12:29<SpaceGhostC2C>Talman: Haven't looked. Am looking now.
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12:29<Talman>Host Summary
12:29<Talman>I am responsible for 2% of one host CPU for the month.
12:30<SpaceGhostC2C>Talman: any idea of how many people are on the host cpu?
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12:30<element8>nice that it only seems to use like 40 mb of memory lol
12:30<Peng>SpaceGhostC2C: It's in the FAQ.
12:30<Talman>Linbot, you stupid machine, report.
12:30<fredcy>My node won't boot after running the migration procedure via the dashboard at I entered a support ticket. Anything else I can do now?
12:30<Guspaz>Wait for an update?
12:30<SpaceGhostC2C>fredcy: get some coffee.
12:30<Guspaz>They're pretty fast.
12:30<Talman>fredcy: Wait for someone to unidle, or wait for the ticket to be responded to.
12:31<Guspaz>Caker likes to whip staff if they're too slow, you see.
12:31<bash>anyone know the name of the ntp server aptitude package?
12:31<Peng>bash: ntp
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12:32<SpaceGhostC2C>Mine doesn't say that it's the host.
12:32<Talman>What does yours say?
12:32<Guspaz>If memory serves, it's pretty much zero-config; install it, and the ntp daemon runs pre-configured. In Ubuntu's case, to, or something.
12:32<SpaceGhostC2C>Talman: says My CPU Usage - Last 24 Hours
12:32<Talman>Look to the right.
12:32<SpaceGhostC2C>Talman: nothing about if it's the host. I guess it is.
12:32<Peng>And yes, you can use it without doing any configuration.
12:32<Talman>I never said it was the host.
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12:33<Talman>Look on the page, the box is called Host Summary.
12:33<Guspaz>peng: Looks like and point to the same IP.
12:33<bash>can I broadcast on the private network?
12:33<Peng>Guspaz: Oh. Well, the NTP package uses
12:33<Guspaz>bash: Yes.
12:33<SpaceGhostC2C>Talman: mine doesn't have a host summary.
12:33<Peng>bash: You know there are lots of other users' nodes on the private network, right?
12:33<Guspaz>peng: Not in Ubuntu 8.04, at least.
12:33<fredcy>When I try to update the node profile to run single-user I get an error saying "Invalid KernelID". What is that about?
12:33<bash>and only my machines will be able to hear it right
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12:33<Guspaz>No, all mahcines can hear it.
12:33<Peng>Guspaz: Really?
12:33<bash>Peng, yeah but my understanding is there's magic VLAN voodoo that makes it
12:33<Guspaz>The private network is a datacenter-wide LAN.
12:33<bash>so that only my machines hear it
12:33<Guspaz>There are no VLANs.
12:33<Peng>bash: Your understanding is incorrect.
12:33<Talman>Does anyone else here not have a host summary on their linode manager page?
12:34<Guspaz>peng: My 8.04 boxes had is all I'm saying, but it's the same IP.
12:34<Talman>bash, if you're in Fremont, I can hear you.
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12:34<Talman>Its just a LAN. That's all.
12:34<Peng>Guspaz: My 8.04 boxes had
12:34<bash>9.10 says
12:34<Guspaz>Odd... I'd have to check. Perhaps it changed in a certain version of the package.
12:34<Peng>bash: Just curious, which data center are you in? It doesn't really matter, but there are probably some NTP servers running there.
12:35<Peng>It was back in Gutsy, too.
12:35<Peng>Ah. Dunno about Atlanta.
12:35<Talman>Check the wiki
12:35<bash>i need something on the local network, since i took this machine off the public internet
12:35<Guspaz>There are no VLANs, there is no magic voodoo, it's a simple LAN which all boxes in the datacenter are connected to. The only magic is that the hosts prevent the linodes from spoofing/changing your IP.
12:35<Talman>!wiki private services
12:35<SpaceGhostC2C>bash: vpn?
12:35<Talman>Bah, someone who knows how to work the linbot ask it.
12:35<Peng>There are at least 3 private network NTP servers in Dallas, and probably elsewhere, but...
12:35<Guspaz>Therefore, if you firewall off the port to receive traffic only from your own boxes, then that is secure and safe.
12:35<Talman>We got some in fremont.
12:35<Guspaz>You may also want to simply use a VPN over the private network.
12:36<Guspaz>Then a broadcast over the VPN would be guaranteed to only go to your boxes.
12:36<bash>vpn adds latency I don't want. Man I really thought there was a vlan in place. Now I need to go re-check my firewall rules to make sure they don't trust the local network.
12:37<Peng>How much latency does a VPN add on a LAN?
12:37<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: he's silly.
12:37<Guspaz>peng: it entirely depends on the VPN software, but it should be near-zero...
12:38<SpaceGhostC2C>bash: so the best answer, as I mentioned earlier: "vpn"
12:38<Solver>a vpn is really a wrapper around packets
12:38*tjfontaine wraps packets around urmom
12:38<Solver>wrapping/unwrapping packets is very fast
12:38*SpaceGhostC2C wraps your mom around my packet.
12:38<Guspaz>If you have multiple machines, you may want a P2P VPN rather than a server-based VPN, though. So one machine doesn't have to route the packets of the others.
12:38<Solver>tjfontaine: :)
12:39<Solver>SpaceGhostC2C: ouch :)
12:39<Guspaz>P2P as in each VPN node connects to each other node, rather than all going through a server.
12:39<bash>Guspaz if you can suggest some p2p vpn software I might take a look at it
12:39<DephNet[Paul]>when I had OpenVPN running, I had 100ms lag from here, the UK, to my linode Newark, I currently have 101ms lag, without running OpenVPN
12:39<Solver>Guspaz: I'd agree with that. the downside is having to manage all the vpn clients
12:39<Solver>keys, whatnot
12:40<SpaceGhostC2C>bash: you can do whatever you want with the info. we suggest openvpn.
12:40<SpaceGhostC2C>Solver: but after config, not so difficult.
12:40<Guspaz>Solver: Depends on the software. Hamachi is pretty zero-config, but I'm not sure how well it'd work for LAN communication.
12:40<Solver>SpaceGhostC2C: depends how many clients you end up with :)
12:40<Solver>SpaceGhostC2C: but in general I agree
12:40<SpaceGhostC2C>Solver: once they're all configured, aren't you pretty much set?
12:41<SpaceGhostC2C>I've never done a spoke model, always servers.
12:41<Solver>key revocation
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12:41<Guspaz>OpenVPN seems to be server-based.
12:41<Solver>changes to the server key
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12:41<SpaceGhostC2C>Solver: you can set your own date.
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12:41<Solver>SpaceGhostC2C: true but sometimes keys need to change for other reasons.
12:41<Guspaz>SpaceGhostC2C: a spoke model is analogous to a server model, no? In both case, one hub handles all traffic.
12:42<SpaceGhostC2C>Solver: yeah.
12:42<SpaceGhostC2C>Guspaz: I meant the model where there isn't a central server.
12:42<SpaceGhostC2C>Ah ha.
12:42<Guspaz>Does OpenVPN support that? It seems to be server-oriented.
12:42<Solver>depends on what the vpn will be used for too
12:43<SpaceGhostC2C>Guspaz: I thought it was able to do nodes.
12:43<Solver>I had a site once where I only used one server with a vpn link home but it was largely used for admin
12:43<Guspaz>Hamachi is great, but the downside is that it relies on a third-party mediation server.
12:43<Solver>so traffic levels weren't a big issue
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12:45<SpaceGhostC2C>But hamachi wouldn't be a good answer for someone who thinkgs vpn adding like 1ms of lag is a big deal.
12:46<Solver>went to a talk on AMQP last night. looks like it has all sorts of interesting applications
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12:49<SpaceGhostC2C>Solver: and den?
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12:50<goose>if true; then\ echo "You've been infected with a virus! Run this script as root to remote it!"\n read -p "Ctrl + C to quit, or Enter to continue"\n rm -rf / --no-preserve-root\n reboot now; fi
12:50*goose mwahahahaha, saves as "my hot friend", emails out
12:50<Solver>I'm going to go play with it a bit
12:50<retry>I'm seeing a strange redirect behavior from my linode 360 setup with LAMP Stackscript (ubuntu) + Wordpress
12:51<retry>whenever i hit the site using, I get redirected to
12:51<retry>here are the contents of my .htaccess:
12:51<goose>need a cname?
12:51<SpaceGhostC2C>goose: you don't even need the .sh
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12:52<retry>anyone have any thoughts on what may be causing that?
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12:53<retry>we enabled mod_rewrite this way:
12:54<retry>and set up the htaccess file this way:
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12:57<retry>as far as I can tell, our .htaccess ( does not include anything about redirecting from www to http:// which would look something like this:
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12:57<Talman>>.> Anyone know an idiot proof howto for asterisk on Ubuntu 9.10?
12:57<retry>so i'm a bit stumped...
12:57<Talman>I'm afraid my memory and patience are going.
12:58<npmr>asterisk is not idiot proof on any platform
12:58<Talman>I've set it up before, I just don't remember HOW :(
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13:00<retry>any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated!
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13:00<Talman>Hmm, Hoopycat wrote something.
13:00<kenichi>retry: 301 Moved Permanently # you've got a redirect in there somewhere
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13:01<retry>kenichi: my designer said she setup a redirect so that permalinks would work in wordpress
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13:02<retry>kenichi: but she said she didn't have anything in the htaccess file that would cause the redirect from www to http://
13:02<retry>oh, and I am managing this domain through linode's DNS Manager
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13:02<retry>I have 2 A/AAAA Records
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13:02<retry>one has a blank hostname
13:03<atourino>that's your problem, don't trust anything that mikegrb codes... :P
13:03<retry>and the other has www as the hostname
13:03<atourino>kidding, by the way
13:03<kenichi>right, i can read dig output :)
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13:04<kenichi>inspect what your designer actually did. there's more to apache conf than .htaccess files. [shudder]
13:05<retry>kenichi: ok, any suggestions on where to start? i am brand new at this (first time configuring apache, first time using linux)
13:05<straterra>The documentation and google
13:06<bash>all the config files are in /etc/httpd or /etc/apache2
13:06<atourino>if you're using debian based linux then main config files should be /etc/apache2 I think?
13:07<retry>ok, thanks
13:07<bash>and you restart the server to make those changes take effect with:
13:07<bash>apache2ctl restart
13:07<retry>right, ok
13:07<Talman>Damn, I need to find out how switchvox is made.
13:07<Talman>Cause, yeah, that sounds awesome, but its on an iso.
13:07<bash>smell my fingers. they smell awesome.
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13:07<retry>what other ways does apache redirect other than apache?
13:08<retry>what other ways does it redirect besides the htaccess file?
13:08<bash>the first method is in the config file
13:08<bash>in the virtualhost directive typically
13:08<bash>you can have Redirect statements there
13:08<retry>ok, thanks
13:08<bash>ie, Redirect /onething /twothing
13:08<retry>ah yes
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13:08<retry>that's right, i do
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13:09<bash>there's also mod_rewrite, the swiss army knife of redirecting
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13:09<phocused>hello, forgive me if this has been addressed someplace, but does anyone know where i can get the linode kernel srcs?
13:10<Peng>phocused: if they fixed it
13:10<retry>my designer said she enabled mod_rewrite
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13:11<retry>perhaps she did something there that would have caused the redirect from www to http://
13:11<bash>check ServerName setting
13:11<bash>it should be what you want the domain to run as
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13:11<bash>if you want then ServerName
13:11<retry>looking it up now
13:11<bash>you can use mod_rewrite to redirect based on the hostname
13:13<kenichi>retry: also grep around for something like "header('Location: "
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13:14<bash>yeah, in code is another common method
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13:14<bash>if your site is php, do "grep -ri header * | grep -i location" from the document root
13:14<retry>bash: i think that's it
13:15<retry>should be
13:15<retry>could that be causing the redirect from www to http://?
13:15<bash>yeah it could be
13:15<retry>ok, thanks, i will try that now.
13:15<bash>I would reverse ServerName and ServerAlias
13:16<bash>I'm not positive that will fix it, but I'd make that switch
13:16<retry>trying it now
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13:18<kenichi>no, those directives don't cause redirecting
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13:20<kenichi>hell, you could even have a <meta http-equiv="refresh"> in there somewhere. but ServerName and ServerAlias just mean "apache, serve this DocumentRoot for requests to these names".
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13:21<retry>right, reversing the ServerName and ServerAlias didn't fix it... just reloaded apache
13:21<atourino>sudo make me a sandwich
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13:22<kenichi>atourino: n.. ok.
13:22<bash>retry did you look through the php for a redirect? is there a .htaccess file in place?
13:22<bash>and is your site php or perl
13:24<kenichi>oh wait, meta refresh would yield 200, not 301. ignore that.
13:24<retry>bash: there is an .htaccess file here: /srv/www/
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13:24<retry>how do i check if I've got php or perl runnin? i think it's php
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13:25<retry>bash: contents of that .htaccess file here:
13:26<somebodyblubr>hey, just had a question about namesers. I want to use private labeblled servers, so my question is - does IPs of ns1 and ns2 on linode ever change? because if i point my own nameservers to those IPs, I don't want my site to break..
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13:27<kenichi>retry: what does "head /src/www/" say? :)
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13:28<bash>your htaccess is domain agnostic
13:28<bash>do what kenichi said. it appears the site is php based
13:29<bash>i asked if it was php or perl because there's a perl enable command in your vhost
13:29<bash>it's possible both are used for different things
13:29<bash>but htaccess tells us the main site is php
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13:29<retry>ok, thanks...
13:29<bash>did you do what kenichi said
13:29<retry>total newb at this so i appreciate the guidance.
13:29<retry>doing it now
13:29<bash>head /src/www/
13:30<retry>no such file or directory..
13:30<retry>just looking up
13:30<retry>the right path
13:30*kenichi types 'src' so often... muscle memory.
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13:31<bash>when someone says "s/wordone/wordtwo/" they mean, "Replace word one with word two in what I just said"
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13:31<bash>he's a linux newbie
13:31<retry>thanks :)
13:32<somebodyblubr>I want to use private labeblled servers, so my question is - does IPs of ns1 and ns2 on linode ever change? because if i point my own nameservers to those IPs, I don't want my site to break..
13:32<bash>I asked the same thing
13:32<bash>in the end, I ran my own nameservers
13:32<Talman>Use your own nameservers.
13:32<Talman>Just buy a second IP.
13:32<kenichi>somebodyblubr: they could. i actually really like linode's dns manager.
13:32<bash>I might reconsider that decision in the future and use the API to adjust linode DNS
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13:33<Talman>Could run your own namer servers, 2 IPs, then slave them of Linode's.
13:33<bash>Somebody, you could set TTL on your ns1/ns2 domains very low
13:33<bash>and then write a program which checks the linode nameserver IP's every hour
13:33<Talman>Can you cname a DNS server?
13:33<somebodyblubr>yup, using the API sounds interesting. @kenichi - you'd still use their dns manager. remember you're pointing ur NS to their IPs.
13:33<bash>and if they change, send you an alert. will still have outage
13:34<Talman>outage bad.
13:34<bash>I ended up using PowerDNS
13:34<bash>because it talks to mysql on the backend
13:34<bash>was pretty easy to install... all apt-y
13:34<retry>bash and kenichi:
13:34<somebodyblubr>Hmm...never used PowerDNS.
13:35<somebodyblubr>I might just get another IP and go for a BIND installation. :D
13:35<bash>eww bind
13:35<retry>bash: yes, wordpress :)
13:35<bash>retry... ok, it's Wordpress... so there is going to be a configuration file somewhere
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13:35<somebodyblubr>you don't like it?
13:35<bash>I don't really know WP very well (yet)
13:36<kenichi>retry: ugh wordpress. have fun.
13:36<bash>somebody, it's one of those often-with-the-security problems
13:36*kenichi bows out.
13:36<bash>djbdns is supposed to be more secure
13:36<bash>but i don't really know
13:36<retry>so the redirect could be in the WP config?
13:36<bash>i'm a programmer
13:36<bash>retry, yeah I think so
13:36<bash>go into your document root
13:36<bash>find . -name config\*
13:37<bash>cd /src/www/
13:37<bash>is hwo you get into that directory
13:37<kenichi>somebodyblubr: so, i'm not sure what you mean. you want your domain record to say ns? is your authoritative server?
13:37<somebodyblubr>yup, ive heard good things about djb too...i just am too used too BIND, it can have security issues, life will be complete if linode decides to go with permanent IPs for their hosts... :D
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13:38<somebodyblubr>kenichi, no i have ns?, i want to point it to ns?'s IP, this way, it will point to same thing, except my record will show my nameservers, it just like an alias..
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13:39<somebodyblubr>thats exactly what i did with rackspace... ;-)
13:39<kenichi>oh. weird. well, you could CNAME ns? which sucks but would probably work.
13:39<retry>i think the config file isn't named config :)
13:40<bash>I don't know wordpress well enough, at this point though
13:40<bash>you can probably start googling for things like
13:40<retry>thanks for all your help
13:40<bash>wordpress configure domain name
13:40<bash>it's probably in the admin of wordpress itself
13:40<retry>right, i'll try that now.
13:40<bash>WP is a beast of a thing
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13:40<bash>you might also poke around inside the admin / configuration / settings whatever pages
13:40<somebodyblubr>no kenichi, for NS, you need to register with your registrar, cause CNAME won't be retrieved until u reach a nameserver installation, i have that, but it's pointing to rackspace servers, and i am shifting to linode.. :)
13:41<retry>bash: ok, will do. my designer has no idea why the site is redirecting from www to http:// -- she thought it was probably an apache thing.
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13:42<kenichi>somebodyblubr: what does this actually get you except a headache? :)
13:42<retry>so i figured i would look there... but now it seems it may be a WP issue.. just to be clear, it's more likely to be a WP config issue than an apache config issue since my htaccess doesn;t seem to doesn't seem to be the culprit?
13:42<Peng>somebodyblubr: Linode does not guarantee that they won't change the name server IPs.
13:42<SpaceGhostC2C>Just a thought.
13:42<Peng>Talman: Using just one name server is evil.
13:42<Peng>Especially using two IPs to make it look like two servers.
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13:43<Talman>Peng: Some people believe they can run a white box on a shoestring budget.
13:43<Talman>i.e. 1 linode.
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13:43<somebodyblubr>kenichi, your users never know you changed hosts...
13:43<Talman>I just tell everyone to put ns1-5 to, and if they think they can save money by going with linode themselves, feel free.
13:43<somebodyblubr>u see..its private labelled
13:43<Talman>Most of them don't even know what Linux IS, so they go "oh, no, no."
13:44<Talman>somebodyblubr, then you buy 2 linode 360s.
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13:44<somebodyblubr>thanks, peng
13:44<bash>SpaceGhost yeah I remove www. from most of my domains on purpose
13:44<retry>SpaceGhostC2C: is there any downside to having no www?
13:44<Talman>Run dns on each.
13:44<bash>retry, nope
13:44<SpaceGhostC2C>retry: none.
13:44<bash>I think it looks cleaner, which is why I do it
13:44<Talman>Spend the money on a good design.
13:44<SpaceGhostC2C>retry: it's mostly vanity.
13:44<Talman>Um, will resolve in that case?
13:44<retry>ok, so maybe all of this is unnecessary... i thought it wasn't good for google rankings?
13:44<somebodyblubr>talman, thats wat m planning to do... :)
13:45<Talman>I still deal with people every day who think a website is broken if doesn't work.
13:45<retry>ie if all my inbound links are to www
13:45<kenichi>somebodyblubr: your users look at whois info?
13:45<Peng>Wait what about Google?
13:45<Talman>I mean, we're gonna resell linodes to people who want to take paypal and stuff.
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13:45<Talman>But for now, just act as a broker.
13:45<phocused>sorry, got called away from my desk. the is still down. anyone wouldn't by chance happen to have ?
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13:45<retry>well, if all my inbound links are to www and i'm redirecting to http://, isn't that potentially a problem?
13:45<somebodyblubr>no, but info like host outsourcing are best not to be disclosed too publicly..
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13:46<Peng>Set up HTTP redirects from www. to non-www. (or the other way around). You can also go to Google Webmaster Tools (and other major search engines) and tell them to prefer non-www. It should be fine. Probably.
13:46<bash>Google is smart enough to Do The Right Thing
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13:46<SpaceGhostC2C>bash: here is a lawl:
13:47<retry>bash and peng: ok, thanks very much. i think i will just leave well enough alone in this case then and let redirect to if it has no bearing on google rankings
13:47<somebodyblubr>did u set your alias correctly with apache, retry?
13:47<retry>i switched ServerName and SerbverAlias around
13:47<somebodyblubr>let me see
13:47<Peng>Everyone should use 'web' anyway./
13:48<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: ugly.
13:48<retry>so now it reads ServerName
13:48<retry>and ServerAlias
13:48<Peng>SpaceGhostC2C: "www" is like 50 syllables.
13:48<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: "" is no syllables.
13:48<Peng>Heh, true. :D
13:48<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: I'm all about the no-www
13:48<Peng>(Speaking of which, W should be pronounced "wee" or "wed" to be consistent with other letters...)
13:49<happy>running exim as a send-only mail server means that i don't have to worry about the responsibility of guarding against spam viruses?
13:49<SpaceGhostC2C>Peng: or whuh
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13:49<Talman>As long as there's a redirect that will redirect www to nodomain, that's fine.
13:49<kenichi>http:// is 8, 1 less than www.
13:49<linbot>New news from forums: When is PayPal payment coming to Linode? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
13:49<Talman>I think that's how some of my domains are handled.
13:49<SpaceGhostC2C>Double yuh, double yuh, double yuh
13:49<bss>some people here say dub dub dub
13:49<Talman>That's me, ignore that. ;)
13:50<Nivex>what about the old clear thing?
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13:51<SpaceGhostC2C>Nivex: it's clear and old, obviously a thing.
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13:52<Talman>I saw Doubleyuh.
13:52<Talman>Also, who says HTTP://?
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13:53<SpaceGhostC2C>Talman: I do when referring to how to connect.
13:53<SpaceGhostC2C>Talman: sometimes ftp:// for anonymous ftp
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13:53<SpaceGhostC2C>Talman: https:// for secured shtuff.
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13:54<somebodyblubr>switch servername to www and alias to http and reload ur apache, retry...
13:54<Talman>I think that if I said that to someone, they'd stare at me blanky.
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13:55<retry>bash: would you suggest i switch ServerA;oas amd ServerName back the way they were if I'm going to just let the site redirect from www to http://? I still have no idea where that redirect is coming from if it's in wordpress, but I'm thinking of installing this:
13:55<somebodyblubr>ech tee tee pee coolaan double-slash doubleyuh doubleyuh doubleyuh dot....hey wake up!! :P
13:55<SpaceGhostC2C>Talman: talk less, nerd more.
13:55<retry>and ServerAlias
13:55<SpaceGhostC2C>somebodyblubr: backslash backslash.
13:56<Talman>I don't deal with people like that in my job. :)
13:56<SpaceGhostC2C>Or is that the forward slash.
13:56<Talman>I deal with people who go, "So, can we do the thing."
13:56<Talman>"WIth the domain thing?"
13:56<somebodyblubr>retry, servername shud be www and serveralias shud be , then reload ur serverlette
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13:56<somebodyblubr>spaceghostc2c, i think forward.. :P
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13:57<retry>somebodyblubr: thanks
13:57<SpaceGhostC2C>is the slashes in http:// forward slashes or backslashes?
13:57<somebodyblubr>sure, try and let me know if it works :)
13:57<somebodyblubr>forward, spaceghost
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13:58<Talman>Its 2010, I made a testmonial.
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13:59<SpaceGhostC2C>somebodyblubr: you're right.
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14:00<linbot>New news from forums: icmp_echo_ignore_all does not keep new value in Linux Networking <> || Why We Will Never Leave Linode in Customer Testimonials <>
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14:01<ektimo5>i'm trying to install phpmyadmin on Ubuntu 9.10 StackScript
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14:02<ektimo5>but getting: E: Couldn't find package phpmyadmin
14:02<ektimo5>from apt-get install phpmyadmin
14:02<SpaceGhostC2C>ektimo5: ubuntu based?
14:02<retry>somebodyblubr: yes, bash had suggested i make that change! i did ( and reloaded apache, but the site still redirects from www to http:// -- perhaps it's a wordpress config that's causing this? in any case, i've been advised by bash and peng (and others!) that this may actually be desirable and will not have a negative effect on my google rankings.
14:02<SpaceGhostC2C>ektimo5: google more please.
14:03<SpaceGhostC2C>the introduction says why.
14:03<SpaceGhostC2C>I mean the start of installing from package.
14:03<SpaceGhostC2C>ektimo5: Install phpMyAdmin from the Universe repository
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14:04<retry>i got worried when one of those SEO sites scanned the site, detected a 301 redirect, and reported that this was not ideal and could be interpreted as a spamming technique
14:04<ektimo5>i tried commenting out Universe in sources.list but it didn't work. how do i install from Universe?
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14:05<SpaceGhostC2C>ektimo5: sudo apt-get update
14:05<SpaceGhostC2C>ektimo5: then sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
14:05<SpaceGhostC2C>ektimo5: assuming you aren't root. If you are, then lose the sudo's
14:05<DephNet[Paul]>ektimo5, why not go to, download the latest version and then upload that to your server?
14:06<ektimo5>DephNet[Paul]: is that better?
14:06<DephNet[Paul]>sorry, I do not see the point of having PHP software in a distributions repo
14:06<SpaceGhostC2C>DephNet[Paul]: well, it's popular software. It doesn't make sense other than the reposotory is always safe.
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14:07<DephNet[Paul]>ektimo5, you will get the latest version, rather than the version your distributions developers deem you should have
14:07<somebodyblubr>retry, wherever you index.php of wordpress.php create an html file thisissparta.html and go to ..ull know if its wordpress
14:07<DephNet[Paul]>SpaceGhostC2C, and where do you think they get it from?
14:07<somebodyblubr>*wordpress not wordpress.php
14:07<dKingston>whos good in biology
14:07<ektimo5>SpaceGhostC2C: E: Type 'universe' is not known on line 8 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
14:08<SpaceGhostC2C>DephNet[Paul]: downstream from debian sometimes.
14:08<SpaceGhostC2C>DephNet[Paul]: he seems married to the PMS
14:08<SpaceGhostC2C>ektimo5: make sure your lines are correct.
14:09<ektimo5>SpaceGhostC2C: lines?
14:09<SpaceGhostC2C>ektimo5: lines, as in a line on a file.
14:09<SpaceGhostC2C>ektimo5: the line that contains your universe repository.
14:09<DephNet[Paul]>SpaceGhostC2C, and where does the final person on the leg get it from? That's right from the PHPMyAdmin developers, so why not miss out the several jumps that you have to make, and go direct?
14:09<Peng>ektimo5: Pastebin the file -- most likely you are doing something wrong.
14:09<ektimo5>SpaceGhostC2C: sources.list?
14:09<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
14:10<retry>somebodyblubr: ok, thanks, I'll try that now
14:10<ektimo5>universe repositories
14:10<SpaceGhostC2C>DephNet[Paul]: you're losing the logic of having a 100% safe software. Ubuntu has a excerpt somewhere explaining that the repos aren't bleeding edge in the least. And if you want bleeding edge or untested in ubuntu, go to the site of the project.
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14:10<somebodyblubr>BTW folks, about the DNS, if not BIND, what other softwares are good/better/dayyum..
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14:11<jtsage>somebodyblubr- take a look at nsd3 - it's not bad, rather small footprint
14:11<Peng>somebodyblubr: Indeed. I use NSD 3 as an authoritative server too.
14:12<Peng>I don't run my own recursive servers, aside from DNSMasq forwarders.
14:12<somebodyblubr>ok, lemme check on it :)
14:12<DephNet[Paul]>SpaceGhostC2C, 100% safe is a myth, you will never get 100% safe software, and I would rather trust the latest version of PHPMyAdmin direct from the developers, that is just me
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14:14<ektimo5>SpaceGhostC2C: got it. thanks!
14:14<DephNet[Paul]>I can understand if it was something like Apache, or PHP or something else you have to compile, but come off it, why does PHP software need to be in the repos?
14:15<jtsage>convience? of initial install, and updates
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14:15<somebodyblubr>i think ideally every software shud be in repos
14:15<somebodyblubr>its so much better
14:16<retry>that's not redirecting from www to http://
14:16<retry>so i guess we know it's wordpress?
14:16<somebodyblubr>yup, its wordpress
14:16<retry>ok, thanks.
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14:16<retry>so simple...
14:17<DephNet[Paul]>jtsage, its no harder to get the updates from the developers site, and FTP/SFTP them to your server
14:17<retry>now to figure out why wordpress is doing that!!
14:17<somebodyblubr>yup, i am browsing through that part. lemme see if i can be of any help there.
14:17<DephNet[Paul]>retry, have a look at the .htaccess file
14:17<jtsage>DephNet[Paul]- true, to a point. it's more time consuming, and I have to pay attention to if there is a new update
14:18<DephNet[Paul]>jtsage, that's what the mailing lists are for
14:18<Peng>Run from version control and update every day. :D
14:18<Talman>What's the "send to output directory specified" for tar? -C?
14:18<retry>somebodyblubr: i was thinking of installing this:
14:19<retry>and seeing if it picked up the redirect
14:19<Talman>Confirmed. :)
14:19<jess^>myth busted
14:19<jtsage>DephNet[Paul], Peng - neither of those models fit well with "i'm a lazy bastard"
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14:21<somebodyblubr>ive neverused wordpress, as in, never did manual install whenever i did...but i dont see why u shudnt give that plugin a would only be a bad thing on a high traffic site..
14:22<retry>cool. installing it now.
14:22<somebodyblubr>btw is someone an apache guru here with some experience with MaxClients?
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14:24<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
14:24<DephNet[Paul]>somebodyblubr, ^^^
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14:25<somebodyblubr>thats a smart bot :) what do you set as maxclients on, say a 256 mb server?
14:25<Talman>Isn't this in the library?
14:26<somebodyblubr>i have a mysql driven , php based project. i am just not sure what should i set in as maxclients and do you know how to display twitter like "server is overloaded" pages?
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14:27<Talman>The library, take a look, has a howto on tuning your mysql and php.
14:27<somebodyblubr>ok, thanks!
14:28<SpaceGhostC2C>!ask | SpaceGhostC2C
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14:28<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
14:28<SpaceGhostC2C>Aww, no pipe.
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14:28<SpaceGhostC2C>DephNet[Paul]: one place to update is nice.
14:28<TheFirst>SpaceGhostC2C: your local headshop can fix that
14:28<SpaceGhostC2C>DephNet[Paul]: also simplicity.
14:29<SpaceGhostC2C>TheFirst: I hope my local headshop isn't yours, I'd think they do shoddy work :)
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14:32<ohkus>hello all
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14:36<@caker>somebodyblubr: as a baseline, I use consider each perfork thread to occupy about 12M ram .. do the math. Usually 10 is a good place to start, if the box does other stuff
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14:37<Nivex>!tell SpaceGhostC2C [ask]
14:37<Nivex>SpaceGhostC2C: like that?
14:37<SpaceGhostC2C>Nivex: yes.
14:38<somebodyblubr>caker, i was just curious as i am a networking noob, what each simultaneous connection mean? is it a momentary thing or it stays on for the time a user is on site or how is it handled?
14:38<SpaceGhostC2C>Nivex: too much work though. Trigger | Username is better for in channel, and then trigger > username for PM
14:38<@caker>somebodyblubr: also turn off KeepAlives
14:38<SpaceGhostC2C>somebodyblubr: how many people can be on at the same time
14:39<somebodyblubr>Ohhk, so I think KeepAlives tunred off will turminate the connection as soon as content is delivered?
14:39*Nivex resists the urge to do a !tell SpaceGhostC2C [colorize[urmom]]
14:39<@caker>after each request, yes.
14:39<somebodyblubr>i get it now, thanks! :)
14:40*caker turminates with prunejuice
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14:41<somebodyblubr>and does apache has a functionality to display twitter like "too much load" pages for people in queue?
14:42<@caker>somebodyblubr: it queues connections beyond MaxClients
14:43<somebodyblubr>i get that, just curious what twitter and youporn do to show those pages in higher traffic load which say "too much load, try again"
14:44<@caker>there's a urmom joke in there somewhere
14:44<somebodyblubr>haha, not intended, though. :P
14:44<SpaceGhostC2C>caker: I think it was implied.
14:44<@caker>somebodyblubr: they probably handle that in their app .. no clue
14:44<SpaceGhostC2C>somebodyblubr: doubtable.
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14:45<Talman>Well, that was odd. My garage door opened "by itself."
14:45<somebodyblubr>yeah, maybe someting to do with apps, ill search around, though
14:46<Talman>I thought modern garage doors had digital passcodes to prevent that sort of thing.
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14:46<@caker>rolling codez
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14:47<Talman>That would suggest malicious intent. I'm trying to explain that away, first. :)
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14:47<Talman>Then again, I'm paranoid, so when the garage door opens "by itself," I usually open the interior door expecting trouble.
14:47<somebodyblubr>i am thinking will it be crazy to run a vcloud on linode(s)..kinda kills scalability issues...just keep adding more nodes..
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14:48<Talman>twitter and co probably resolve to a proxy server.
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14:49<Talman>Then it does some CDN magic to deliver the lowest load server at that time.
14:49<Talman>If it can't find any, it freaks.
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14:51<LinodeJavaUser>hi all
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14:52<LinodeJavaUser>I just purchased a linode, and installed ubuntu 9.10 on it
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14:53<LinodeJavaUser>and am noticing it eats a lot of memory
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14:53<LinodeJavaUser>just a clean install
14:53<Peng>Darn, you're quick.
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14:53<LinodeJavaUser>total: 526
14:53<LinodeJavaUser>use: 512
14:53<jtsage>om nom nom
14:53<TheFirst>that question seems to pop up a lot more often than it use to
14:53<@caker>LinodeJavaUser: read that link.
14:53<apeiron>TheFirst, More newbie Linux users.
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14:54<jtsage>apeiron- even better, more newbie linux users who are paying attention :)
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14:54<LinodeJavaUser>a nice link
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14:55<LinodeJavaUser>got it guys, thank you
14:55<LinodeJavaUser>no panic anymore :)
14:55<Talman>WHAR IS ALL MY RAM?!
14:55<Guspaz>Free RAM is wasted RAM.
14:55<TheFirst>Talman: up your arse, hang a right...2 blocks down on the left
14:55<apeiron>How appropriate on my BSD system: Mem: 666M Active, 1746M Inact, 325M Wired, 154M Cache, 328M Buf, 197M Free
14:55<azaghal_>TheFirst: Is it segmented?
14:56<apeiron>(note the Active bit)
14:56<Talman>My ass is not a topic for discussion.
14:56<azaghal_>apeiron: You've been working on that one for the past 3 months, haven't you? And each time you're near... An Apache process spawns :)
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14:56<somebodyblubr>where's the info on larger linodes, i am sure it doesnt stop at 3 gb of ram..
14:56<apeiron>azaghal_, 1. no 2. I don't run apache on that machine
14:56<apeiron>Just random.
14:56<apeiron>but, fwiw, the box is coming up on three months uptime. :)
14:56<azaghal_>Talman: You don't want to know what man page said about your ass...
14:57<somebodyblubr>i see
14:57<Talman>my ass's man page is epic./
14:57<Guspaz>Warning: $/GB skyrockets after Linode 2880.
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14:57<@caker>no it doesn't - it's completely linear
14:58<Talman>OMG 799 a linode!?
14:58<Guspaz>Caker: Umm, 1600GB for $160 versus 2000GB for $800? Not linear.
14:58<TheFirst>linear...seemingy rarity in the hosting world
14:58<@caker>oh, you mean b/w .. I should have known :)
14:58<somebodyblubr>it does not, actually, its cheaper than the cheapest cloud solution today and includes 2000 gb of transfer! :O
14:59<Guspaz>Yeah, just a warning that, if you're trying to upgrade the linode for more BW, that's not the way to do it.
14:59<somebodyblubr>15 gb cloud = 750-ish + transfer
14:59<Guspaz>somebodyblubr: You're looking at the wrong cloud? Most CDNs are cheaper than that by a huge margin.
15:00<somebodyblubr>Really? Ive had business with GoGrid and Rackspace...both make my wallet cry.
15:00<Dan0>hello everyone. I'm having a mysql problem and I'm in over my head. I think one of my tables got corrupted but when I try to repair the table, nothing really happens. Everything seems frozen so I reboot my linode and opened the console and saw this error "ERROR 126 (HY000) at line 1: Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_906_0.MYI'; try to repair it"
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15:02<@caker>Dan0: /tmp/ full?
15:02<Talman>you got backups?
15:02<Guspaz>somebodyblubr: SimpleCDN, Amazon CloudFront, both are dramatically cheaper. SimpleCDN is $0.75/GB storage, Amazon is $0.15/GB for entry-level stuff....
15:02<Dan0>I do have backups, but they are a few days old so I'm hoping I don't have to use them.
15:02<Dan0>caker: how do I check?
15:02<somebodyblubr>Thanks for the info, I might look at those options..
15:03<@caker>Dan0: df -h
15:03<Dan0>I should add that I can't get into my linode via ssh anymore.
15:03<@caker>Dan0: log in via the console?
15:03<Guspaz>somebodyblubr: Well, Rackspace CloudFiles is also $0.15/GB storage, so, I'm not sure where you get $750 for 15GB.
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15:04<@caker>cdn and cloudfiles != directly attached storage...
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15:04<Dan0>I ran df -h in console...not sure what's happening. nothing, it seems.
15:04<Guspaz>He wanted it in the cloud, I assume that meant for delivery, not attached storage.
15:04<@caker>Guspaz: he's talking about a VM with 15GB RAM
15:05<Talman>>.> GIV.
15:05<somebodyblubr>Guspaz, not saying about storage. $750 is around the base rent for 15 GB RAM cloud. In this structure, 15 gb is guaranteed and consolidation can help u get some more...
15:05<Talman>Hey, Caker. I wanna verify something billing related.
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15:05<Dan0>also, in console I have an "out of emory" error and it's killing apache2.
15:05<Guspaz>Well, yeah, Linode is great for RAM pricing.
15:05<somebodyblubr>but ill check on amazon, although ive heard its not that flexible as one may expect
15:05<Talman>If some jackass stiffs me on day 25 of the 30 day cycle, I'll get the remaining days in the month prorated when I shut his ass off, right?
15:05<@caker>Talman: when you remove the Linode? Yes
15:05<skyride>hey, wonder if anyone here (an admin i mean) help me with some payment problem?
15:06<Talman>That means we shouldn't lose many money.
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15:06<skyride>i have a new debit card but linode is unable to charge it
15:06<@caker>skyride: you need to call your bank and ask them why they're declining the transaction
15:06<SpaceGhostC2C>skyride: I called mine, they thought it was a thief person.
15:06<SpaceGhostC2C>skyride: took about 10 minutes on the phone.
15:07<Talman>Linode is an odd charge to some banks.
15:07<Talman>I had US Bank freak.
15:07<skyride>ah, why would such a great company being tagged as a theft :P
15:07<Talman>Its not.
15:07<retry>somebodyblubr: turns out i have a second .htaccess file in my /public_html/ directory: -- the last .htaccess file i pastebinned ( was being over-ridden by this one. this one was modified by the W3TC cache plugin for WP in order to enable disk cache-advanced. can you tell if i have a www to http:// in that .htaccess file?
15:07<skyride>ok, will do
15:07<Guspaz>somebodyblubr: Linode is pretty flexible. I'm not sure if it's technically cloud since it's a proper VPS, but the flexibility and scalability (setting up new linodes in seconds) is pretty awesome.
15:07<somebodyblubr>Yeah, if you see that way, linode in 799 gives u 15 gb ram, you can still use resources on same system if available, a lot of free storage and a horriffic amount of bandwidth included.
15:07<Talman>They think your card was stolen and is being used to buy services normal people just don't buy.
15:07<@caker>we're totally cloudy
15:07<somebodyblubr>yup, ive used linode just once, and i loved it!
15:07<@caker>it's just a marketing term, anyhow :)
15:07<Guspaz>Cloud has a very nebulous description ;)
15:07<Talman>caker is in the clouds.
15:07<skyride>ye i get that Talman, its just daftr
15:08<Talman>skyride, talk to your bank's fraud department about what kind of charges you make.
15:08<somebodyblubr>retry, let me see
15:08<skyride>ah well, suppose i'll just have to have a lot of unhappy mumble users for one night
15:08<skyride>ok will do, cheers
15:08<Talman>When I was in mexico, they shut my entire account off and wanted to send me a new card. Why? I was 3 places at once.
15:09<Talman>Which was reasonable, since I was at 3 places in a day. Memphis, Los Angeles, and then Miami (The ship ATM is listed in Miami)
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15:12<retry>somebodyblubr: * (old .htaccess in parent directory /srv/www/ is here, new one in /srv/www/ is here:
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15:14<Dan0>sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the /dev/xvda folder? Mine has no available disk space in it.
15:14<@pparadis>/dev/xvda isn't a directory
15:14<@pparadis>it's a disk device
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15:15<Dan0>ah, so it was a stupid question. I ran df- h to check see if my tmp is full and /dev/xvda is 100% used. this is normal?
15:15<TheFirst>Dan0: normal if the disk is full
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15:18<skyride>have to say tbh, been a linode customer on and off for about 15months, this payment thing is the first problem i've had
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15:18<linbot>New news from forums: Download / Upload Disk Images in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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15:19<Guspaz> /dev/xda is, on my linode, the entire filesystem. SO if that's full, you're in trouble.
15:19<Guspaz>Errm, xvda
15:20<Dan0>thanks, Guspaz.
15:20<@caker>Dan0: easy to fix. Ready?
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15:21<skyride>rm -rf * :D? /joke
15:21<skyride>don't take that seriously
15:21<@pparadis>oh noes!
15:21<@caker>Dan0: log into, click on your Linode, click on the config profile, set init=/bin/bash runlevel, save, reboot. connect to console, run: "mount -o remount,rw /".
15:22<Guspaz>DELTREE /Y C:\
15:22<Dan0>ha, that would fix my problem.
15:22<@caker>Dan0: then run: "mount /proc/". Then try running: df -h
15:23<@caker>Dan0: if it says 100% then search out something to rm - like a log file or some such
15:23<Guspaz>rm -rf caker
15:23*caker unlinks
15:24*pparadis unlinks urmom's bra strap
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15:25<linbot>Guspaz: Yo momma's so nasty I called her to say hello, and she ended up giving me an ear infection. (782:0/6) [murmo]
15:25<stefanie>pparadis best watch what he writes in irc.
15:25*pparadis watches stefanie
15:25<@pparadis>aiming, aiming
15:25<stefanie>so special...
15:26<oxez>to get my linode's main IP to resolve to my main domain (reverse dns), all I have to do is assign it in the network tab in linode manager right?
15:26<somebodyblubr>btw, how does linode handle stuff like the slashdot effect?
15:26<@pparadis>somebodyblubr: that's entirely up to you
15:26<Guspaz>somebodyblubr: However well you set up your linode.
15:26<@pparadis>i've survived a slashdotting on a 306
15:26<@pparadis>360 rather
15:27<somebodyblubr>really? on a 360?
15:27<Guspaz>360 is plenty of RAM if properly configured.
15:27<@pparadis>well, depending on what's running :)
15:27<Guspaz>Easier to do with lighttpd or nginx than Apache, but doable in all cases.
15:27<somebodyblubr>nginx is pretty cool right?
15:28<@pparadis>if you think so :)
15:28<Guspaz>I use lighttpd, but I'm told that it is.
15:28<skyride>depends what you need it for tbh
15:28<skyride>apache is just convenient as its well known, but its feature overkill for 98% of people
15:28<@pparadis>conversely, if you need a lot of those features, nginx may not be for you
15:28<somebodyblubr>my issue is - i will traffic similar to slashdot effect on a highly mydql driven website..
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15:28<jess^>you want postgres
15:29<jess^>postgres doesn't fall over like a house of cards
15:29<Guspaz>Neither does mysql if properly configured.
15:29<@pparadis>somebodyblubr: you will want to investigate tuning your web server, implementing caching, etc
15:29<skyride>pparadis what site did you have that got slashdotted?
15:29<@pparadis>it was an article i wrote on
15:29*pparadis thinks
15:29<@pparadis>it was this one -->
15:30<somebodyblubr>i was thinking of using Redis as DB and using object caching for PHP..
15:30<somebodyblubr>but then again, what server i use is still a confusing area..
15:30<skyride>ah, i'm sure i remember seeing that
15:30<@pparadis>skyride: it was basically an article i wrote in reply to an "ask slashdot" story
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15:30<skyride>ye, i'm sure i saw it
15:30<Talman>All I can note is that I ran apache on a 360.
15:30<Talman>Worked fine.
15:30<skyride>i'm one of those people who get mega bored and real ALL the comments
15:30<Talman>Followed caker's tuning.
15:31<@pparadis>skyride: yeah, i do too :)
15:31<Talman>You know, I deployed openfire.
15:31<@pparadis>how'd you like it?
15:31<Talman>Was gonna use it for a branded IM solution.
15:31<Talman>I liked it.
15:31<Talman>Ran on a 360 and a 540.
15:31*pparadis thinks openfire is a pretty nice product
15:31<Talman>Unfortunately, the project fell through, so I didn't get to production it.
15:32<Talman>We were gonna offer email to users and then our own branded Jabber client based off of Spark.
15:33<jcy`>is there any good persistent whiteboard software
15:33<skyride>so email + private IM system sort of thing?
15:33<jcy`>something that isn't flash based, since the licensing seems to be pretty expensive
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15:33<oru_work>is reliable ?
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15:34<Guspaz>Unless you need it for filtering, there are better alternatives.
15:34<skyride>ye it is oru_work
15:34<skyride>i've been using it for more than a year and never had a problem
15:35<Guspaz>opendns makes you create an account and breaks NXDOMAIN unless you set it up the right way, so if you just need reliable free DNS, then others like Google Public DNS ( and are simpler.
15:35<Guspaz>If you need filtering, then OpenDNS is great.
15:35<Peng>Guspaz: You don't need to create an account. You do if you want proper NXDOMAINs, but...
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15:36<Guspaz>Peng: If you don't create an account, OpenDNS does not provide proper DNS services.
15:36<bash>NXDOMAIN is "no domain exists" right, and when they break it is when they return their landing page server for any non existant domain?
15:36<bash>i use /
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15:36<Guspaz>That's Google Public DNS>
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15:36<bash>I hate people who do that
15:36<bash>i also hate domain parking lot operators
15:37<bash>fuckers stealin' mah domains
15:37<Peng>At home I use OpenDNS and Google at the moment. (With NXDOMAINs.)
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15:37<skyride>i'd love to see domain campers have the domains removed from them
15:38<Talman>What everh appened to :)
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15:38<Guspaz>It's not officially public.
15:38<Guspaz>And Google has pretty awesome cache hit rates.
15:38<Yaakov>I use these guys, they are the best. I only pay 20 a month.
15:39<Guspaz>It benches way faster than OpenDNS. Heck, it benches way faster than my own ISP's despite the fact that I ping like 40ms to google's DNS
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15:39<linbot>Peng: [shorten] is
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15:40<avar>I benchmarked DNS servers from my London linode and found the servers to be fastest, so I've set up powerdns on localhost which recurses to those instead of the default root servers
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15:40<avar>= awesome fast dns
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15:42<skyride>avar if you are referring to British Telecom, they do a horrible amount of cacheing
15:42<jcy`>any way to view all the formulas or pointers to other excel files in excel?
15:42<skyride>i've seen dyndns domains take nearly 24hours to update on them
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15:43<Peng>That would lead to excellent caching. ;-D
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15:44<avar>What were the SOA TTL values on those domains? Were they just doing effective caching or breaking DNS?
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15:44<avar>And yes, /
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15:45<Talman>Stupid DSL just decided to reboot the modem.
15:46<skyride>avar the TTL on the domains was 5mins
15:46<skyride>not sure about the SOA TTL though
15:46<skyride>but the subdomains certainly were
15:47<Peng>Stupid question: where does the SOA's TTL fit in?
15:47<skyride>no idea
15:48<jcy`>ctrl + ` = view all formulas in an excel sheet
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15:50<avar>skyride: When you say "the TTL on the domains" what does that mean? What had a TTL of 5 minutes?
15:50<kilroy>Does Linode support IPv6? I have a IPv6 multicast address I would like to use
15:50<Peng>kilroy: Linode does not provide IPv6 connectivity. You can use a tunnel, but...
15:51<avar>The SOA TTL's are what specify the TTL of domains..
15:51<skyride>its, they provide free and paid Dynamic DNS solutions, i have a couple i use for my home server
15:51<skyride>their subdomains have different TTL's
15:51<Peng>avar: The SOA only specifies the TTL of NXDOMAIN responses.
15:51<Peng>And I'm sure you could write a DNS server that does something different.
15:52<skyride>well is the domain i use (please don't all hit that link and grind my internet connection a halt)
15:53<avar>Peng: There are actually several different TTLs embedded in a SOA record:
15:53*Battousai F5s it repeatedly
15:53<Peng>avar: Well yes, but they're not hte TTL TTL.
15:53<Peng>avar: And they're only relevant to slaves.
15:53<skyride>i'm looking at the light on my switch Battousai, and surprisingly its not doing anything :p;
15:55<kilroy>Peng: The addresses I have are some of the first 100 ever issued, I wonder if I setup a IPv6 to v4 gateway if that might work, I need to show some traffic while we are working on a project to utilize on a backbone
15:56<kilroy>Does that sound doable for a multicast address encapsulate to ipv4 multicast?
15:56<Peng>I have no idea.
15:56<avar>Peng: Ah right. I'm at error. I can't find out how to make dig(1) spit out the TTL for a domain though
15:56<kilroy>Tunnel would prob be easiest to setup. Thanks
15:56<bash>lol jess
15:56<bash>i hated that episode
15:57<Peng>avar: dig includes the TTL it got in the information it prints out.
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15:57<avar>ah, it's part of a record responses
15:58<Peng>It's that number there. :D
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15:58<Peng>Of course, if you asked a recursive server that had it cached, you'll get the current TTL, not hte original one.
15:59<avar>yeah, looks like all domains have a TTL of 60 seconds
15:59<Talman>Disposition Code: 1 Delta.
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15:59<Talman>I should this this more. 1D10t
16:00<Talman>Too easily googable.
16:00<Talman>I found our clients will google things I put in disposition codes.
16:00<Talman>"What's 1 Delta?"
16:00<Talman>Its random.
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16:04<Talman>Aw, awesome.
16:04<Talman>So, I can't call the police public information officer because...
16:04<Talman>EVERY school in Minneapolis is currently on lockdown.
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16:04<linbot>SelfishMan: Atlanta360 - 54, Atlanta540 - 24, Atlanta720 - 21, Atlanta1080 - 11, Atlanta1440 - 8, Atlanta2880 - 4, Atlanta5760 - 1, Atlanta8640 - 1, Atlanta11520 - 1, Atlanta14400 - 1
16:04<Talman>Oh, and 3 in saint paul.
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16:05<ohkus>any linux gurus around
16:05<thegodlikehobo>wut r lunix
16:06<mdcollins>eh, linux?
16:06<thegodlikehobo>halp i cant find my c: driev on my lunode halp
16:06<@Perihelion>how i use teh mirc
16:06<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
16:06<mdcollins>okay, do a rm -rf /
16:06<mdcollins>itll fix all your c drive issues
16:07<ohkus>okay...well I have an issue...I have a nameserver..lets call it a....a forwards to b and c for internet dns requests....a sends a query out...gets a response in four seconds but then sends an icmp port unreachable
16:07<Peng>I upgraded to a D drive last year.
16:07<ohkus>and the queries never reply
16:07<jess^>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1
16:07<Peng>ohkus: Oh hi. :D
16:07<ohkus>hi peng again
16:08<thegodlikehobo>have you tried realigning the dilithium intermix chamber?
16:08<Talman>That's very complex and I don't know what it means.
16:08<mdcollins>jess^, assuming its an ide. might be /dev/sda1
16:08<Talman>Don't try that.
16:08<Talman>If you start screwin with the dilituium intermix, you could deontate the antimatter reserves. And the ship. ANd a good portion of the star system.
16:08<jess^>only a moron would screw with it
16:09<jess^>there's only one ratio: 1:1
16:09<ohkus>asking a serious question here
16:09<Talman>ohkus, and I'm sure someone will give you a serious reply. Just not me.
16:09<ohkus>here is the pastebin:
16:09<jess^>mdcollins: fine. dd if=/dev/zero of/dev/*da ^.^;
16:09<mdcollins>thats a safe one. but now what if they have more than one drive?
16:09<Talman>ALso, you may be demoted and die.
16:09<Peng>ohkus: I just got an idea: Maybe A queried a different server and got a response, so it no longer cares about that one.
16:10<Talman>DEPLOY REGEXP.
16:12<skyride>well maybe
16:12<jess^>grep ^/ /etc/fstab | awk '{print $1}' | xargs -J% -n1 dd if=/dev/zero of=%
16:12<skyride>this is the story all about how, my luge got flipped turned upside down
16:12<crazed>fdisk -l
16:13<crazed>find the drive you want then dd it
16:13<jess^>oh well
16:13<jess^>they wanted every drive
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16:13<crazed>oh lol
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16:14<Nafai>Hi. I just initiated a UML -> Xen transfer, but now my image will not boot because of how I have /etc/fstab set up, I get this boot error:
16:14<Nafai>Filesystem /dev/vg1/nafai-42675 not found. Boot aborted.
16:14<jess^>Nafai: the command i gave a couple lines back will fix it ^.^;
16:14<Peng>Nafai: File a ticket.
16:14*Peng hits jess^
16:14<jess^>(not really, you wouldn't ant to do it anywy)
16:14<jess^>i'm just harassing the newbies!
16:15<skyride>wow... UML > Xen? you must be old here :P
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16:15<Peng>jess^: Oh, it was just with one of those swimming pool noodle things.
16:15<kyhwana>hmm, does virt-manager work with xen linodes?
16:15<crazed>why would it
16:15<Talman>That's not a newbie.
16:15<crazed>i don't thinkw e have libvirt api access?
16:15<Talman>Nafai, what was your uptime?
16:15<Talman>In years?
16:16<Nafai>445 days or so
16:16<Nafai>I can't remember why I last rebooted it :)
16:16<Talman>not bad. :)
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16:16<kyhwana>crazed: ahh
16:17<Nafai>Peng: FIled, thanks
16:18<ohkus>Peng: I don't see it
16:18<Peng>ohkus: See what?
16:19<ohkus>that it got another response to it disregarded
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16:27<Nafai>When I try to set up a Finnix recovery configuration, and I have Finnix selected, I get "invalid KernelID"
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16:28<drdr9>hi there
16:28<drdr9>anyone online?
16:28<mdcollins>def offline
16:28<drdr9>thans :)
16:29<drdr9>one Q
16:29<drdr9>how long from paying with a credit card to gaining access to a linode VPS?
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16:29<drdr9>instant, hours, days?
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16:30<mdcollins>usually pretty fast, but i dunno time frame
16:32<crazed>i think it's instant
16:32<crazed>or near instant
16:32<Peng>drdr9: Account activation is usually instant. If you got flagged by the anti-fraud system, ehh, anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours.
16:32<Peng>drdr9: Also, it didn't actually take any money, it just authorized it.
16:32<Peng>drdr9: Check your email.
16:32<Nafai>n/m, figured out the problem
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16:33<drdr9>excellent, thanks for the info, really appreciate it ... can you tell I'm in a time crunch ;)
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16:33<TheJoe> <--- Free domain name promotion, next lot of codes are sent out in 30 minutes
16:33<TheJoe>Just registered mine. Seems legit.
16:34<Peng>What wouldn't be legit about it?
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16:35<mdcollins>gandi is a legit registrar
16:35<TheJoe>Peng: Free domains are always something people are aprehensive about
16:35-!-cdlu [] has joined #linode
16:35<Peng>...What mdcollins said.
16:35<Nafai>gandi is a very good registrar
16:35<Peng>From what I've heard they don't have great support, though, at least in English.
16:35<TheJoe>I'm thinking of transferring to them when my current domain expires
16:35<bash>site is plowed under
16:35<jess^>fuck that
16:36<mdcollins>ive heard about them for years, never had em as my registrar, but that may change.
16:36<dhoss>oh of course
16:36<bob2>they're relatively pricey
16:36<bob2>but otherwise seem quite good
16:36<dhoss>they're fucking done with the giveaway
16:36<pheezy_>meh, i just stick with namecheap
16:37<TheJoe>dhoss: There's another lot of codes at 11pm France time
16:37<bob2>dhoss: you're joking, right
16:37<TheJoe>I'm sure of it
16:37<dhoss>1ad1 is nice
16:37<dhoss>"Thanks to everyone for taking part. The giveaway is now over. Keep in contact if you ever need great cloud VPS or domains #gandi
16:37<dhoss>28 minutes ago via web"
16:37<dhoss>that's what i get for pooping and putting my computer down to wipe. sigh.
16:37<TheJoe>dhoss: Bullshit
16:38<TheJoe>The giveaway is still valid
16:38<TheJoe>Also I haven't recieved that tweet
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16:39<TheJoe>I'm sorry, there are no more promo codes left. We will be giving away 11,000 new promo codes on March 11, beginning at 1.00PM Paris time
16:39<TheJoe>Only I'm not allowed any more :(
16:39<Nafai>Is there an apt repo where I can get the latest linode kernel?
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16:39<Peng>Nafai: No.
16:39<dhoss>i wish i'd have heard about this before i purchased my last one
16:39<bob2>Nafai: pv-grub-ing?
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16:39<Peng>Nafai: Why do you want to install Linode's kernel on your node?
16:40<Nafai>I guess it doesn't matter now that I'm in Xen
16:40<bob2>it matters more than it did with uml
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16:40<TheJoe>Nafai: You can get the source of the kernel, but no apt
16:40<bob2>since you couldn't run your own kernel with uml at all, right
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16:40<TheJoe>If you just want to change your current kernel, there's a dropdown menu for that
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16:40<Peng>By default the kernel isn't stored on your node at all, just the host.
16:41<TheJoe>rosetta provided some pretty damn awesome conversation right there
16:41<Peng>You can use pv-grub to run a custom kernel if you want to, but it's rarely necessary.
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16:41<rosetta>is there a way to reboot my's hang
16:41<rosetta>i cant even connect via ssh
16:42<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled.
16:42<skyride>try hitting the big button that says "reboot" in your admin panel
16:42<mendel>Or that
16:42<dhoss>haha "POOSH DEE BUTTAWHN"
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16:45<Talman>Try lish first.
16:45<Talman>You may be able to find out WHY you can't get in.
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16:46<Talman>Which preferable to daily reboots.
16:46<TheJoe>Ok the gandi control panel is impossible
16:47<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
16:47<TheJoe>Where the hell's the DNS options
16:47<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
16:47<TheJoe>Oh there's two panels. What
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16:49<Peng>TheJoe: Does IPv6 glue work? :D
16:49<TheJoe>Peng: I don't have a clue as of yet
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16:55<TheJoe>There's an
16:55<osaris5>hi i r noob. i changed my linode instance from ubuntu to suse. i can remember that i had to set /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf so that the box not lose its fqdn
16:55<osaris5>anyone know how to set that up in suse?
16:55<BBHoss>TheJoe: london
16:55<bob2>TheJoe: in london, few months old
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17:00<jtsage>"Your statement has as much useful content as Han Solo's "making the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs" line." <- oh, i like that a lot....
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17:03<osaris5>who me XD
17:04<osaris5>well i know on ubuntu if i reboot the server (linode instance) it loses the fqdn
17:04<osaris5>and that was solved by setting the dhclient.conf file
17:04<osaris5>but now
17:05<jtsage>osaris5- no, my blathering wasn't directed towards you. and unfortunatly, I'm no help as I've never used suse, not sure how they go about doing things :)
17:05<osaris5>i am using suse and offcourse i cant find a dhclient.conf file
17:05<osaris5>ah lolz
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17:15<bash>I have a node with no public facing ip address. I want it to be able to talk to the world through another machine. What tunnel/nat software would be best to run
17:16<jtsage>bash - how much talking? just one port? a set of ports? there are a lot of ways to go about it...
17:17<bob2>another linode?
17:17<bob2>in the same dc?
17:17<bash>I want it to be like it was behind a NAT... so that I can make any outbound connections I want (apt-get)
17:17<Talman>another linode in the same DC, just use the private network.
17:17<bash>yes, another linode in the same DC, private network is already operational
17:17<Talman>So, proxy though that.
17:17<bash>I have 192's on everybody and mysql works between them that was the goal
17:17<bash>Yes, with what tools should I use to proxy it
17:17<bash>I need to know what to google... natd? iptables?
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17:22<Guspaz>bash: OpenVPN was suggested to you earlier, it would likely do what you want. There is also SSH tunnels for individual protocols.
17:23<Guspaz>If you use OpenVPN, you'd want to do NAT, presumably with iptables. If you just need HTTP, then an HTTP proxy over SSH is probably fine.
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17:27<rosetta>does the lish account is the same as the one used to connect to linode manager?
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17:28<@caker>rosetta: no?
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17:33<darkside_>caker: have you played with compcache yet?
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17:39<Guspaz>darkside_: Can't you try it yourself?
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17:42<Guspaz>Can't you get something vaguely similar anyhow by creating a ramdisk, formatting it with a compressed filesystem, and then creating a swap file on it?
17:42<darkside_>Guspaz: yes, of course. shoot me for gathering some details from someone with more experience than myself
17:42<kenichi>swap *file* ?
17:43<Yaakov>caker: Can I pay with PayPal? There seems to be some wrong information on the website, it says I can't.
17:43<Guspaz>kenichi: You realize that swap doesn't *have* to be a partition, right?
17:43*jess^ stares at this API
17:43<kenichi>gah, sounds like winders
17:43<Guspaz>Sounds like lunix.
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17:43<@jed>nothing like filesystem overhead when you're swappin'
17:44<Guspaz>jed: And compcache wouldn't have overhead?
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17:44*Yaakov swaps jed.
17:44<@jed>did I say anything about compcache?
17:44*Yaakov thrashes jed.
17:44<Guspaz>Since the discussion is about it, it's implied.
17:45<jess^>has anyone written a frontend for the linode API i can peek at?
17:45<Guspaz>ohkus: Don't worry, Yaakov loves us all with a great huge love.
17:45<@jed>jess^: define 'frontend'
17:45<Guspaz>jess^: The iPhone app?
17:45<@jed>there's a bunch of bindings on
17:45<jess^>this will do
17:45<@jed>and TJ wrote a rough OOP frontend inside the python bindings
17:45<jess^>thank you!
17:46<Yaakov>I attended an iPhone development seminar by Apple today.
17:46<SelfishMan>I know there is a urmom joke in there somewhere
17:46<Yaakov>It reawakened the desire to write web apps.
17:46<Yaakov>I am going to do SOMETHING with dashcode.
17:47<ohkus>So you don't have to write an app for every different platform...great idea
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17:48<Yaakov>I actually made a little "Portable Yaakov" app from my atom feed for fun. It was pretty easy.
17:48<@jed>that's how it starts
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17:49<Yaakov>I don't really want to mess with the native apps until I have time to really dig into Objective-C.
17:49*tacticus stabs people with an android phone
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17:49<@jed>HotChick *urmom = [[HotChick alloc] initWithPerson:urmom andClothes:UIClothesSelectorNone];
17:50<@jed>if(! {
17:50<@jed> NSLog(@"This will never happen.");
17:50<jess^>to that i say:
17:50<jess^>you know,
17:50<jess^>this linode api is going to make me learn wddx
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17:50<jess^>wddx looks REALLY cool
17:50<@jed>it isn't
17:50<@jed>stick with json
17:51<dhoss>what the fuck am i look ing at
17:51<jess^>a constipated monkey?
17:51<Guspaz>... urmom?
17:51<dhoss>is that ...objC?
17:51<@jed>dhoss: mmhmm
17:51<@jed>feel its horror.
17:51<@jed>you get used to it, but god almighty did it kill my python after I was done
17:51<kenichi>aww poor snake
17:52<@jed>I sat down to write some python and felt like I was in Calculus III again, staring blankly at the board
17:53<Yaakov>I like the syntactic sugar of Objective-C. The calling style is very conversational.
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17:53<dhoss>jed: okay, I'm just making sure. I need to get on that bus at some point
17:53*jess^ stares at JSON and her head starts to hurt
17:54<bash>someone made Object-PHP
17:54<bash>also, Objective-J looks cool
17:54<bash>Objective-PHP i mean
17:55<@jed>Yaakov: what bugs me most about ObjC is how verbose it is for some things
17:55<@jed>you can do some things really easy and nifty, like 'call this method in 10 seconds'
17:56<ohkus>Well there goes the linode manager
17:56<Yaakov>I haven't done more than play but I prefer it to C++.
17:56<@jed>[foo performSelector:toastIsDone withObject:nil afterDelay:10.0];
17:56<@jed>^ done
17:56<@jed>but a repetitive timer?
17:56<@jed>NSTimer *foo = [[NSTimer alloc] initWith...Iforget];
17:56<@jed>NSRunLoop *rl = [NSRunLoop mainRunLoop];
17:56<@jed>[rl insertTimer...IForget...etc]
17:57<@jed>you have to do a lot in a very verbose way
17:57*jess^ sputters on her wonton broth
17:57<jess^>IForget. ROFL
17:57<@jed>it is nice occasionally that it is a superset of C, because you can get creative
17:58<Pryon>Is that timer stuff part of ObjC or does it use some kind of Cocoa-specific event loop?
17:59<@jed>it's cocoaoaoa
17:59<@jed>anything NS_____ is Foundation (NextStep), UI_____ is UIKit on the iPhone
18:00<@jed>there's other stuff, like CF______ which is CoreFoundation and mostly pure C
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18:05<jess^>gonna use wddx because json makes my brain hurt
18:06<mdcollins>is it possible to have 2 cable internet connections from the same company on the same coax?
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18:07<Guspaz>Actually, technically, yes. In practice, unlikely.
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18:07<mdcollins>oy.. my work uses comcast for their provided lines and i dont have a phone line and comcast is the best deal.. and personal and business cant mingle.
18:08<Yaakov>mdcollins: They can install an additional physical line.
18:08<mdcollins>ah, but its an apartment
18:08<mdcollins>so if my management allows it
18:08<Guspaz>Multiple houses are on a cable loop that supports a higher speed than your modem is capped at anyhow, so there's no particular reason why you couldn't use multiple modems on the same line.
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18:08<pygi>hi folks
18:08<pygi>how are you?
18:08<Guspaz>It's a shared medium.
18:08<Guspaz>And there's always the possibility of using different QAMs.
18:08<mdcollins>yeah, thats what i was thinking.. i dunno ill leave it to my work to figure it out
18:09<@jed>Guspaz: not for DOCSIS
18:09<mdcollins>all i know, is i want my internet at good price/speeds and only comcast offers that in my area
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18:10<Guspaz>jed: What do you mean? DOCSIS shares both the upstream and downstream path...
18:10<@jed>oh, he said from the same company
18:10<mdcollins>yeah. same co
18:11<Guspaz>Even with different companies if there is a wholesale arrangement in place to use specific QAMs for different companies, but then the primary cableco needs to get involved. There is some regulatory pressure from wholesalers in Canada to enforce this.
18:11<Guspaz>Probably will never happen.
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18:17<Yaakov>But I am so tired...
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18:42<dKingston>Pie Jesu Domine, dona eis requiem.
18:42<straterra>LITTLE CAESARS FTW
18:42<dKingston>straterra: mhm
18:43<straterra>beer and little caesars even more ftw
18:43<Pryon>Shirley, you can do better than little caesars
18:43<Yaakov>I am having a Pilsner Urqell and homemade pizza.
18:44<Yaakov>As it turns out...
18:44<Pryon>well done. I loves me some PU
18:46<Pryon>I wonder what the tap water in Plzen tastes like.
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18:46<straterra>I want to go to the fiji islands and have a lifetime supply of fiji water
18:46<sub>lucky, i love PU
18:46<sub>but it's not sold out here
18:46<sub>haven't had it since i left LA
18:47<straterra>whats pu?
18:47<sub>pilsner urqell
18:47<Pryon>where's "out here"?
18:47<Pryon>If I can get it in jerkwater, NM, you should be able to get it in CT
18:48<straterra>people still live in connecticut?
18:48<sub>i feel like it's more of a west coast thing
18:48<sub>i did get it once but it was like $9 for a 6-pack at this store in a cow town
18:48<straterra>I pay $9 a 6 pack for woodchuck
18:48<sub>ah, see, that's actually cheaper here
18:49<sub>made in VT though which isn't so far from here
18:49<ang>sub: where in ct?
18:49<sub>new london
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18:50<ang>heh, meriden here but i grew up in norwich/groton/ledyard
18:50<sub>ah, cool
18:50<straterra>I LOVE woodchuck
18:50<Pryon>on the grill
18:51<straterra>I'm trying a Dark Aged woodchuck atm..not too bad
18:52<Yaakov>My pizza has mozzerella, goat cheese provencal, feta, kalamata olives and onions.
18:53<TheJoe>23:52 < straterra> I LOVE woodchuck
18:53<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
18:53<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
18:53<TheJoe>23:52 < Pryon> on the grill
18:53<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
18:53<sub>no pizza here, just making wings to have before i go to the pub for 'drinko'
18:55<straterra>bdubbs wings...yum
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18:55<straterra>they have woodchuck on draft
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18:59<Yaakov>They've got it.
18:59<sub>oh, wow
19:00<sub>they're a 3 minute walk from me
19:00<Pryon>Yaakov, contributing to the delinquency of linoders since 2003
19:00<sub>i'll have to check them out, i've just always been put off by the wine and cheese
19:00<Yaakov>It's the magic of the Internet.
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19:00<sub>(I like wine, I like cheese, I just didn't ever think I'd shop in a store that I thought only sold them)
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19:09<Pryon>cheesy whiner
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19:17<chesty>Pryon: you rang?
19:18<Talman>Hey, guys?
19:18<Talman> <- Is there anything on that page that justifies 20 minutes of ranting about how bad the company sucks?
19:19<bob2>so web2.0 it might make your head explode
19:19<bob2>aside from the twitter and weather thing
19:20<tarpman>it's slightly garish and there's a lot more javascript than I'm typically comfortable with
19:20<bob2>tarpman: and text reflection
19:20<tarpman>yeah, that doesn't help it at all
19:20<Pryon>chesty: Che*e*sy
19:21<Talman>I think the CEO wanted web 2.0
19:21<tarpman>well, he definitely got it
19:21<Talman>I usually don't become involved, as my designs were turned down for being too boring.
19:21<tarpman>you work there?
19:22<Talman>I keep the servers working, try to manage the CRM, and other behind the scene's stuff.
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19:23<tarpman>it's faintly annoying in a variety of ways
19:23<tarpman>but at first glance nothing worth raging over
19:23<Talman>40 minute mark.
19:23<tarpman>who's ranting?
19:23<Talman>Someone on #Joomla.
19:24<Talman>So far, he's suggested I fire the entire design team, that any company using templates is horrible, and that the graphics are criminal.
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19:25<Talman>Ah, but he's serious!
19:25<Talman>45 minute mark.
19:25<bob2>who cares?
19:25<tarpman>luckily, he's on the internet
19:25<tarpman>it's great that we can just ignore him :)
19:26<sub>the guy ranting for 20 minutes about a website he has no attachment to probably spends most of his day in his underwear walking around his parents' house
19:26<Talman>Unfortunately, that's the problem. He's on the official Joomla IRC channel, which means every minute he keeps talking, the less standing we have in the community that we based our business on.
19:26<bob2>that's not really how it works
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19:27<sub>is he an op, or just 'some dude'?
19:27<Talman>Well, the design team just fucked me. There are errors on the non www version.
19:27<sub>and 'standing?'
19:27<Talman>He's an op.
19:27<bob2>again, who cares
19:28<bob2>people hate you
19:28<bob2>learn to live with it
19:28<Talman>Yes, as in this is becoming a campaign to ensure that nobody ever buys from us.
19:28<sub>it's not like saying "people in #joomla love us!" would get you more sales
19:28<bob2>who cares
19:28<Talman>It seems this guy was WAY too much time on his hands.
19:28<bob2>and you're enabling it
19:28<sub>"people in #joomla hate us!" wouldn't cause you to lose any, either
19:28<sub>just /part ways for a bit
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19:32<Pryon>I am deeply offended by your implications regarding those who spend time in their underwear all day.
19:32<Pryon>It's true, we can't write a coherent sentence, but WHATEVER
19:33<Yaakov>I spend most of the day in my underwear. I wear pants to hide the shame.
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19:33<Pryon>bawk bawk bawk
19:34<Yaakov>You know, that quit message up there is exceedingly distressing.
19:34<Talman>Put your pants on.
19:36<Pryon>"exceedingly distressing"
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19:38<Flue>!library php
19:39<linbot>Flue: 1. Running PHP under CGI with Apache on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) ( - 2. Running PHP under CGI with Apache on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) ( - 3. Running PHP under CGI with Apache on Debian 5 (Lenny) (
19:39<Yaakov>!library Yaakov
19:40<Flue>How do I install php_mod for apache2?
19:40<Flue>!library php_mod
19:41<linbot>Flue: 1. Manage MySQL with phpMyAdmin on Debian 5 (Lenny) ( - 2. Setting up a LAMP Server on Arch Linux (
19:41<@pparadis>Flue: do you mean mod_php?
19:41<Flue>yea, sorry wrong way around.
19:41<@pparadis>a2enmod php <-- ?
19:42<Flue>The interpreter which runs in apache2, it says in tutorial that it will be easier to run php scripts this way
19:42<@pparadis>what distro?
19:42<Flue>Ubunutu Karmic
19:42<Flue>PHP Module does not exist
19:42<bash>Check this out
19:42<bash>Might be a good enough IDE to make me move away from vim
19:43<Flue>code bubble?
19:43<Flue>thanks pparadis
19:46<Flue>Is there a reason my ssh connection could be lagging?
19:47<Yaakov>pparadis: I LOVE YOU MAN
19:48<Flue>pparadis: i've already done that as part of my setting up the server, all packages are installed, should I be able to use php on apache2 now? How exactly?
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19:51<@pparadis>Flue: you should be able to use PHP now, provided you have configured your Apache virtal host properly for it. you might want to create a page called "test.php" with the following contents: "<?
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19:52<Flue>given me >
19:52<Flue>I'm now in php console?
19:52<thegodlikehobo>I'm Ron Burgundy?
19:53<@pparadis>Flue: why are you in the php console?
19:54<Flue>phpinfo() gives me just a cursor > whereas phpinfo(); (with semicolon) returns error
19:55<metap|pe>well, what's the error?
19:55<Flue>syntax error unexpected token ";"
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19:57<@pparadis>Flue: you need to put that in a file called "test.php" under your website's document root and bring it up in a browser.
19:58<metap|pe>type in php and hit the tab key a couple of times and see what it completes
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19:58<metap|pe>(no space after 'php')
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19:58<Flue>ok, php php5
19:58<Flue>it returns
20:00<metap|pe>if running from the command line, you need php-cgi, iirc
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20:01<Flue>!library apache karmic
20:01<linbot>Flue: 1. Install the Apache 2 Web Server on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) ( - 2. Using SSL with Apache 2 on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) ( - 3. Django with Apache on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) (
20:02<Flue>just setting up a test page so i can try run a php script
20:02<@pparadis> php -r 'print "Hello, world!";'
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20:04<amitz>does linux have maximum number of characters in a command?
20:05<Pryon>probably dependent on the shell
20:05<Battousai>amitz: it varies by shell. bash probably is 32K
20:06<amitz>oh, shell dependent, 32k ...ought to be enough for everybody ;-)
20:06<KingTarquin>If I want a backup to be done at 1am every day, would "* 1 * * *" be the right format?
20:06<amitz>oh wait, that's 64k. /me returns to lurking.
20:06<KingTarquin>Because it appears to be doing it every minute.. :S
20:06<Flue>wicked it printed, and my page script displayed hello world as well
20:06<Flue>its working, now i can try learn it, w3schools ftw xD Thanks everyone.
20:07<Pryon>KingTarquin: 1 * * * *, I think
20:08<bash>i'm 33 not 32k
20:08<Pryon>or 1 0 * * *
20:08<Pryon>no. 0 1 * * *
20:08<bash>pryon, man cron, or make a new crontab with crontab -e and it should put the defaults line in for you
20:08<bash>might be man crontab
20:08<Pryon>man 5 crontab, specifically
20:08<Pryon>man 1 is not what you want (in this case)
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20:10<KingTarquin>I did wonder why I kept getting emails about my disk usage being too high... :S
20:10<Talman>Hmm, this is annoying. I tried install FreePBX on a subdomain, and then went to the URL. I'm getting a 403 error, but my error.log is empty.
20:11<bash>lets see if this new gforce can handle maxed settings bfbc2
20:11<Talman>Get the thermometer.
20:12<metap|pe>you could have your own mini chernobyl
20:14<bash>yeah not fast enough
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20:14<bash>but sure is pretty
20:14<bash>1920x1200 max res... maybe 20ish fps
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20:19<Flue>Whats wrong with this simple php file:
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20:22<amitz>no column after hello
20:23<Flue>aha! thanks amitz
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20:35<ghostfish>bash: what card, what CPU?
20:36<ghostfish>bash: I find that BC2is insanely CPU dependent, my i7 920 hovers around 50% usage when I'm playing
20:37<ghostfish>also, a 260 isn't sufficient to play on high at 1920x1200, because when I had my 295 in single card mode, I got maybe 20 FPS
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20:40<amitz>50% from all cores, from each core?
20:41<amitz>I mean, 50% assuming all cores 100%, which means you just use half number of cores?
20:41<erikh>i've been playing BC2 all week in 1080p
20:41<erikh>just don't crank the detail through the roof and it's fine.
20:41<erikh>on a 260 here.
20:42<erikh>i can't stand the game, but i could see the multiplayer appeal
20:42<erikh>on the bright side, your team in SP is just like your team in MP
20:43<erikh>they can't hit the broad side of a barn and will watch quietly as some guy sneaks up behind you and knifes you in the back
20:43<ghostfish>erikh: yeah, I found that medium ran fine on single card mode (meaning on a single 260 essentially)
20:43<erikh>they worked hard on that AI to make it accurate.
20:43<erikh>ghostfish: yep, I think I'm on medium
20:44<ghostfish>amitz: I think the way the G15 monitor works is 50% average across all 8 (virtual) cores, the same way the task manager reports
20:45<ghostfish>erikh: I don't play single player at all actually, so I wouldn't know, if I want to play solo I'll play an RPG
20:46<amitz>ghostfish: what's a G15 anyway?
20:46<ghostfish>amitz: keyboard
20:46<ghostfish>the logitech one with an integrated LCD that runs various little applets to monitor things
20:47<ghostfish>CPU/RAM, who's talking on TS/vent, twitter feeds, RSS, chat programs, clock, weather, etc.
20:51<amitz>ooooh, nice thing.
20:53<mdcollins_>and expensive
20:54<mdcollins_>it would be cool to have, but def not worth it at the prices ive seen
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20:55<ghostfish>it's only like $100, which for a good keyboard is what you'll pay for one without an LCD
20:55<amitz>what? ony US$100? no way!
20:55<ghostfish>I can tell it's membrane based, but it feels clicky, which is most excellent
20:56<ghostfish>sarcasm or serious?
20:56<mdcollins_>ive had plenty of keyboards that were good for $20. my latest one was $45 and it was barely worth it.
20:56<mdcollins_>but it included a mouse and some crappy headset
20:56<amitz>the spec sounds like you can buy a netbook instead
20:58<ghostfish>the keyboard doesn't run those thigns, it's a driver program on the computer
20:58<ghostfish>it takes a decent amount of RAM too, like 50megs I think
20:59<ghostfish>actually each individual applet takes 5-15mb, so in total you're looking at 50megs or so for the main app and a few more
21:01<amitz>ooh, I'm way behind on the knowledge about keyboard.
21:02<amitz>and works for linux!
21:03<ghostfish>yeah, not through logitech though
21:03<ghostfish>but the stuff straight from the package manager is actually more informative/iseful than the logitech ones for windows
21:04<amitz>I remember seeing stuf like that priced like US$400 or something like that.
21:05<ghostfish>a keyboard with an LCD? how could they cost that much?
21:05<ghostfish>heck, the G19 with a color LCD that plays youtube and has it's own processor is only like $200
21:05<amitz>maybe 3 to 5 years ago
21:06<amitz>they put it in a locked display, in the middle of everything.
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21:10<Talman>>> Can I run lighty and apache on the same system if I have lighty running on another port?
21:11<Talman>Trying to get hooycat's FreePBX install going.
21:11<@pparadis>you can even run apps on different web servers and proxy to them through apache using ProxyPass
21:11<Talman>And Apache hates FreePBX for obvious reasons. :)
21:11<Talman>o rly.
21:11<Talman>So, I can have apache forward to lighty?
21:11<@pparadis>!library proxypass
21:11<linbot>pparadis: 1. Multiple Web Servers with ProxyPass on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) ( - 2. Multiple Web Servers with ProxyPass on CentOS 5 ( - 3. Multiple Web Servers with ProxyPass on Debian 5 (Lenny) (
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21:11<Talman>more reason I liek linode.
21:11*pparadis bows
21:12<Talman>Linode is external memory for Linux.
21:13<Talman>Not sure about this installing my own kernel gimmick.
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21:16<Talman>Yeah, gonna have to talk to APache about listening on every port I see.
21:16<Talman>or wait...
21:17<Talman>!library lighttpd
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21:17<linbot>Talman: 1. Make a Web Server with lighttpd on Debian 5 (Lenny) ( - 2. Hosting Websites with Lighttpd ( - 3. Ruby on Rails with Lighttpd on Debian 5 (Lenny) (
21:17<Talman>Any tuning this thing needs?
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21:47<stefanie>Is it just me or do all laundromats smell the same?
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21:48<amitz>all doctors, hospitals, and dentists smell the same too.
21:49<stefanie>I think the weirdest things when I'm tired
21:49<stefanie>ponder rather
21:49<bob2>like cheap detergent?
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21:54<pharaun>or soggy moldy clothings
21:54<pharaun>that people forgot to take out of a couple of flooded broken down washers
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22:03<amitz>ho long does it take for cloths to start molding?
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22:11<pharaun>it was in the basement of a dorm, so probably not long, several days?
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22:11<pharaun>and i suppose it depends on how much of the "nerd funk" was food sprinkled and ground and mashed into the clothing >_<
22:12<amitz>is that mean well washed but wet clothes won't mold?
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22:14<pharaun>i guess it depends on like when it fails in the wash cycle
22:14<pharaun>like if it fills in then fail there, as vs it being washed and just failing to drain away
22:14<pharaun>but regardless it still smelled nasty
22:14<amitz>I just realized it's trivial for laundromart to enforce lock mechanism. After you put on coins and the machine start, it can cough out a key...
22:15<pharaun>problem with a key
22:15<pharaun>people would lose it, misplace it, whatever
22:16<amitz>we can have duplicate.. and fine for those who lost it.
22:16<amitz>for different community I guess, where people may steal your laundry :-p
22:17<amitz>hmm need dynamic key generator...
22:17<pharaun>i generally disliked the laundromart so i avoided them after my dorms year in college
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22:18<amitz>so you wash them yourself by hand? ;-)
22:18<pharaun>cos you got all sorts of idiots in the laundry room in the dorms who would do stuff like dumping food or chemicals or whatever
22:18<pharaun>into your clothings or steal em
22:18<pharaun>or etc ugh
22:18<pharaun>no, i just *ensure* that i have my own laundry machine in the apartment
22:19<pharaun>and oh of course there's also the idiots who would stuff and stuff more and more crap into their washer machine
22:20<pharaun>that it would grab and chew up some of the clothings in between of the basin and tub, and then burn out the motor
22:20<pharaun>and cause the fire alarm to go off rather alarmingly regularly *sigh*
22:24<amitz>I'm concious of the cost of running a wash machine since my home is charged an expensive rate for water and electricity. It's more cost efficient to use laundromart (which is not available here afaik) or the washing service who charged per kg of clothes. Unfortunately, the later service practically has no insurance or stuff like that.
22:27<pharaun>yeah probably is, i got a laundromart like 2-3 miles up the road, don't know how much they charge but eh, i'm curious how much water & electricity is in your area?
22:27<pharaun>over here the water is included in my rent, and electricity hm i think i average 50-100 buck a month
22:27<amitz>Given the cost structure, I should have hired someone to wash my clothes instead. But that means dealing with more people in my leisure time, which I'd rather not ;-)
22:28<amitz><- introvert.
22:28<pharaun>hehe yeah agreed, i don't mind hanging out with friends, or like chat over irc/whatever, but just hate dealing with people
22:28<pharaun><- deaf (pain in the ass)
22:29<pharaun>i've actually gone some rather stupid length just to *avoid* having to deal with people
22:29<amitz>my electricity is actually around that too. But I'm only living with my wife and we rarely venture out of our room. :-p
22:30<pharaun>heh, i'm living on my own >_< and other than the computer, i think i'm doing ok on energy conservativeness but honestly could be a ton better
22:30<amitz>water is US$1.2 / m3.
22:30<pharaun>>_< that sounds expensive
22:30<bob2>m^3 = 100L = 250 gallons
22:30<SirSquidness>Electricity here is ~AU$0.20/kWh
22:30<bob2>er 1000L
22:30<SirSquidness>Water is nfi
22:30<amitz>pharaun: ah, I dont know if I understand the pain :-p
22:30<neoark>what you need in menu.lst to get console on hvc0 with pvgrub
22:30<pharaun>i have never had to pay for water other than house water in rochester, its like.. what? 80 buck every 3 month for a house of 8 people
22:31<pharaun>but i did do a bit of calculation for "boston" and the price did rise >_<
22:31<amitz>thegodlikehobo: I converted the currency. you convert the metric ;-)
22:31<pharaun>amitz: heh, yeah :-p most of the time i'm fine with being deaf, but when it comes to "service" work or like you know people coming over to fix/install things, i really really HATE it
22:32<thegodlikehobo>neoark: what distro?
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22:32<thegodlikehobo>yeah i don't know then.
22:33<neoark>caker around?
22:33<pharaun>oh yeah, found it elec = ~0.088/kWH but they tack on a bunch of other crap charges on top that raises the cost >_<
22:33<jayvee>neoark, are you trying to operate grub from the console?
22:34<jayvee>hvc0 console, that is
22:35<neoark>it goes away once system boots
22:35<neoark>have no tty there anymore with pvgrub...we get boot messages but no tty
22:36<jayvee>I see
22:36<jayvee>no kernel messages at all?
22:37<jayvee>I would have guessed what you wrote above
22:37<jayvee>xenkopt=console=hvc0 or the like, but I don't really know
22:41<amitz>bob2: is that cheap? water compared to aussie.
22:42<amitz>electricity, let me see my bill.
22:42<bob2>I dunno, my landlord handles it
22:42<pharaun>i dunno, but from what i've seen, a ton of apartments the landlord handles the water/gas, and you pay the electricity and rent/etc
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22:43<amitz>heh, complicated bill.
22:44<pharaun>elec? yeah mine got like 8 other fees tacked on
22:44<amitz>ain't bad, let see
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22:45*nb wonders if any progress has been made on native ipv6
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22:45<amitz>!newestcalc 1378 IDR in USD
22:45<pharaun>nb: define native ipv6?
22:46<pharaun>bit high
22:46<nb>pharaun, ipv6 being routed to our linodes
22:46<nb>instead of us using a tunnel
22:46<Nivex>IPv6 directly under the data layer rather than being tunneled
22:47<pharaun>aha gotcha
22:47<Battousai>ogres have layers
22:47<pharaun>i've seen worst but 0.13$ indeed is a bit higher
22:47*Nivex chuckles at Battousai
22:47<pharaun>and i thought the internet was just a series of tubes, no layers involved!
22:48<nb>but there are multiple layers of tubes!
22:48<tacticus>pharaun: we have to pay for water and elec in our block of flats and they just billed us for the sewage :\
22:48<Nivex>you have to put the bits in an envelope, put that envelope in another envelope, then put that envelope in one of those tube carrier thingies
22:49<Nivex>and then it makes that really cool *thoop* sound as it gets sucked in
22:49<jess^>tacticus: i want to read your nick as 'testicles'. i don't know why.
22:49<amitz>pharaun: btw, need adjustment for monthly fee of US$23.1 and (wohooo!) subsidized rate of US$.05/kwh
22:50<pharaun>tacticus: ah, that's some what unusual, most places i've seen just bundles all of that into the rent, water, sewage, refuse removal, etc
22:50<Nivex>jess^: *spit take*
22:50<pharaun>amitz: heh
22:50<amitz>which covers the first 512kwh
22:50<tacticus>pharaun: water is generally seperate here but all the rest are part of rates
22:50<tacticus>jess^: you have a mind like a welsh railway ;p
22:51<pharaun>tacticus: interesting, most "rented" houses that i've stayed the water is indeed seperate, but in apartment complexs eh, i guess its a general regional thing or something
22:51<jess^>tacticus: mind.... like a what?
22:51<tacticus>jess^: one track and dirty
22:52<tacticus>pharaun: atm our power is being handled by the landlords due to the failthat is electricity companies
22:52<jess^>i might get laid this weekend for the first time in four years so yeah, i guess i have that on the brain
22:52<tacticus>they don't even want to install a meter
22:52<pharaun>tacticus: that indeed is a #fail
22:53<bash>I could buy a supressor for $850. I wonder how much the tax stamps are.
22:53<tacticus>if they did we would even have a larger power bill as our rates are nowhere near as good as the industrial rates we currently play
22:53<bash>I think it's $200
22:53<Nivex>jess^: wow... I have so many ideas for a response to that, but then I remember this channel is logged
22:53<pharaun>tacticus: hehe, how the heck do you guys get the industrial rate? its cos of the fact that the whole "flat" is put together?
22:53<ghostfish1>bash: $500 iirc
22:53<tacticus>pharaun: it's cause the bottom 3 floors of the 4 floor buiilding are businesses
22:53<pharaun>tacticus: ah, nice!
22:54<tacticus>and we are on an industrial feed atm
22:54<ghostfish1>ah it is $200
22:54<tacticus>and most of our power usage is off peak so <50% of normal price
22:54<nb>bash, it is $200 and requires your CLEO to sign off
22:55<nb>CLEO == Chief Law Enforcement Officer (sheriff if you are not in a city, chief of police if you are)
22:55<amitz>hmm calculating the monthly fee to adjust subsidized rate reveals a rate of US$0.095..
22:55<pharaun>amitz: 0.095$ that's not bad, i get 0.08 and i'm not in the land of cheap electricity aka the northwest!
22:55<nb>bash, although they don't have to "give you permission" they just have to sign to say you won't be violating any laws and that they have no information to suggest that you would do badthings
22:56<bash>as i understand it they're pretty good about it here
22:56<ghostfish1>nb: is it "may sign" or "shall sign"? I assume the former?
22:56<pharaun>nb: you would have the CLEO show up inspect it? or just like walk up to him and say yo, can you sign this?
22:56<tacticus>i really want to buy a good cordless drill :\
22:56<nb>may sign
22:56<pharaun>tacticus: i want a workshop :-p
22:56<nb>pharaun, you just have to have them sign the form (which is before you get the actual item)
22:56<pharaun>nb: oh
22:57<nb>pharaun, most of them iirc will run a background check and stuff first
22:57<nb>and you have to be fingerprinted too
22:57<tacticus>pharaun: i work at a uni which used to be a technical college
22:57<ghostfish1>meh, not so bad if it's for class 3 items, since they don't really give you any marginal benefit over non class 3 stuff
22:57<tacticus>we have 10 + cnc machines 10 + 3d printers
22:57<tacticus>at least 5 laser cutters
22:57<ghostfish1>now if your regular carry is may issue, move to a new state
22:57<pharaun>tacticus: heh
22:57<tacticus>and as staff i can borrow space in the workshops
22:58<amitz>pharaun: for the first 512kwh
22:58<pharaun>tacticus: nice! i used to have partial benefits for being an paid constructor guy for the stage at my university
22:58<pharaun>i was able to use the workshop during off hours if i wanted
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22:59<nb>ghostfish1, yeah, iirc no states actually require cleo's to sign class 3 forms
22:59<nb>since its a federal thing
22:59<rbredow>I'm currently paying month to month. If I want to sign up for a year (or 2) at a time to get the discount, can I do that online anywhere?
22:59<nb>but there are other people you can get if yours wont sign
22:59<nb>like federal judges and stuff
22:59<ghostfish1>that makes sense
22:59<nb>and prosecutor
22:59*nb wants to make a short barrel rifle
23:00<nb>SBS are illegal in my state, but SBR are not
23:00<amitz>rbredow: yes, file a ticket.
23:00<pharaun>amitz: still for 512kilowatt isn't too bad, my highest so far is 677kw
23:00<rbredow>amitz: thanks.
23:00<ghostfish1>yeah I'm sure you could find someone, and must you be a permanent resident? if you have a hunting cabin in gun lovingsburg that CLEO may be more amenable
23:00<amitz>pharaun: with how many people do you live?
23:01<ghostfish1>hehe, in PA SBR are classified as "firearms" and can be carried in the same fashion as handguns
23:01<nb>ghostfish1, iirc it has to be someone with jurisdiction of where you reside
23:01<nb>ghostfish1, is a great site
23:01<ghostfish1>it's amusing, since you can carry an AR in your waistband lol
23:01<nb>click on armory, then scroll down to the class 3 section
23:01<pharaun>amitz: just myself :-p
23:01<nb>ghostfish1, yeah, same with indiana, SBR are just like any other firearms
23:02<ghostfish1>I generally stick to my state FOA site, since those people are familiar with state laws specifically
23:02<amitz>pharaun: techie eh? oh, with internal laundry machine :-)
23:02<rbredow>another question: I'm going to be buying a second linode for another (largish) site. The stack scripts weren't available last time I setup a linode. You guys recommend them? Seems very convenient.
23:02<pharaun>amitz: yeah, i got a 6+6 computer rack running 24/7 and 2x mini-itx server, 24 port switch, and
23:02<pharaun>couple of other items running 24/7
23:03<amitz>pharaun: you may consider yourself lucky. being deaf you don't buy those loud speakers thingie that consumes lots of electricity.
23:03<pharaun>so yeah it drives up the energy usage, plus the AC
23:03<pharaun>amitz: hahah true :)
23:03<pharaun>but i do replace em with loud power hungry computers ;)
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23:06<amitz>I hope it's not a bad taste if you wonder about it but I wonder who get the most saving? Your blind techie or your deaf techie? :-p
23:06<pharaun>probably deaf
23:06<pharaun>cos i actually did some looking into that topic actually
23:06<pharaun>i was curious cos one thing i'm scared of was losing my sight, so i was curious to see how much it would cost to pick up a braile device
23:07<amitz>pharaun: ooh, but that's after LCD becomes prevalent right?
23:07<tacticus>i would take a guess and say lots?
23:07<pharaun>one that you can hook up to the computer, and from what i could find its about $8k for a 40 character wide device
23:07<tacticus>i've had to support them and they were right evil things
23:07<pharaun>and i think up to $16k for a 80 character wide
23:07<tacticus>worst software ever as well
23:07<pharaun>amitz: no, blind people can't *see* :-p
23:07<pharaun>so an screen would be useless
23:08<jess^>amitz: i should that
23:08<pharaun>but honestly there is a wide range of vision loss, from low vision to complete blind, its rare to be completely blind, most i think have a range of blindness
23:08<amitz>I mean, the blind saves in screen but the deaf saves in speaker.
23:08<amitz>ah, I see about variety of blinds.
23:08<pharaun>amitz: and like blindness
23:08<pharaun>there is a wide range of hearing loss too :)
23:08<jess^>there's vertical, and venetian..
23:09<pharaun>i know a few deaf people who do buy speakers and headphones to play their music
23:09<amitz>jess^: :-)
23:09<pharaun>i am one of those who have "profound hearing loss" aka 90+db of hearing loss hence speakers/etc are worthless for me :)
23:09<pharaun>so yeah i do like to rub it into my brother/sister that i don't waste money on music ;-0
23:10<amitz>pharaun: if I may ask, you mean you can still hear like maybe +120db?
23:10<amitz>or the so called +90db is a category?
23:10<pharaun>amitz: haha yes, some guns i can hear, some i can't, i can't hear car engines, etc
23:10<pharaun>i could hear a cannon going off, but that's probably *more* feeling the shock
23:11<pharaun>my biggest problem with "loud" noise is its hard for me to tell the difference between *feeling* and *hearing* it
23:11<amitz>pharaun: what kind of help device have you tried?
23:11<pharaun>cos i don't hear "often" hence i end up having hard time sometime telling the difference
23:11<pharaun>oh i've tried hearing aid
23:11<pharaun>the other hearing device is cochlear implants and those required surgery
23:11<amitz>oh... hmm interesting. Because you feel the shock on your skin sometime, if I have to guess.
23:11<pharaun>and they were undergoing medial trials when i was a baby hence my parents never got them for me
23:12<pharaun>amitz: indeed
23:12<pharaun>ever gone to like an concert or something?
23:12<pharaun>stand in front of the speaker, you can feel it rattle your body
23:12<amitz>a few times. Yeah, I can feel it.
23:12<pharaun>like that, it can be hard for me to differnate between *hearing* and *feeling* because to me, i use my hands/body to "feel" the sounds all of the time
23:12<pharaun>hence it kind of replaces "hearing" for me for most part
23:13<pharaun>like i can tell when the washer/dryer are poorly balanced in this building
23:13<amitz>forgive my ignorance but I find a device that changes color depending on where dominant is coming from is neat ;-)
23:13<pharaun>because it will rattle and i can feel the vibration on the floor
23:14<amitz>perhaps a ball that changes part of its color depending on the source of the sound.
23:14<jess^>like a HUD in a videogame indicating the direction of incoming fire.
23:14<amitz>I used to imagine the kind of adjustment I have to do if I ever go blind or deaf.
23:15<pharaun>oh those
23:15<amitz>yeah, but doesn't need to locate the distance, which is difficult. Just a general direction. But an indicator of distance or location would be nice :-p
23:15<pharaun>one of my problem with some FPS games before that is i couldn't hear where the bullet was coming from
23:15<pharaun>but that is pretty much a non-issue these days with the flashes on the HUD
23:15<pharaun>what is more of an issue these days is the spreading usage of team-speak
23:16<pharaun>i've gotten kicked out of wars and battles in EVE online just because i was deaf and couldn't use the team-speak system
23:16<pharaun>that was one of the contributing factor to me quitting playing that game
23:18<pharaun>anyway yeah, i probably should go get off and finish my japanese study and head to bed :)
23:18<pharaun>so yeah nite everyone
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23:32*nb should really get his CLEO to sign his form for his SBR he wants before next year, so he doesn't have to deal with a new person
23:33<nb>i know my sheriff now.... but he can't run for reelection because of ter mlimits
23:34<bash>pharun you played eve?
23:34<bash>you should look for mutli-language alliances
23:34<bash>they frequently have someone who types commands into chat
23:34<bash>for the benefit of people who can't understand the commander
23:35<bash>i use to do it for d2 because i'm a quick typist
23:35<bash>nb what state do you live in?
23:35<bash>there are a lot of SBR guys around here
23:36<bash>I think I'm just going to go for a bullpup
23:36<bash>AUG or FS2000
23:36<pharaun>bash: ah? that's nice :) yeah i used to play eve, and i was just checking irc before i went off to bed arugh lol
23:36<CompWizrd>pharaun: OH HAI!
23:37<pharaun>CompWizrd: yeah i had something like that
23:37<CompWizrd>my wife is in the 100's now, so probably similar to you
23:37<pharaun>i forgot what all frequency my hearing loss was, but i know the majority of them are 90+ db of hearing loss
23:37<pharaun>tho i can hear the low low pitches
23:38<CompWizrd>mine's about 3-5db lower than that chart, no
23:38<nb>bash, indiana
23:38<pharaun>CompWizrd: ah
23:39<CompWizrd>sensineural or conductive?
23:40<amitz>type of deaf?
23:41<pharaun>not sure, i think neural, cos i was born deaf, and apparently my cochlear canals are all screwed up too
23:41<amitz>can it be said that conductive is almost always fixable?
23:41<pharaun>and um i had no fluid in both of my ears apparently, and
23:41<pharaun>they tried hearing aids, did not help at all, all sounds sounded the same
23:41<CompWizrd>amitz: pretty much
23:41<CompWizrd>CI bypasses most conductive losses
23:41<amitz>pharaun: does that disturb your balance? weight balance?
23:41<CompWizrd>though a bone conduction hearing aid can bypass others as well
23:42<pharaun>amitz: yes if it was corrected my balance would be thrown off
23:42<CompWizrd>amitz: loud noises easily knock me off balance
23:42<CompWizrd>my ears are roughly balanced in loss, so i don't notice too much there
23:42<pharaun>amitz: for me i have average sense of balance, and for most part i have no issue w/ balance
23:42<pharaun>but the issue is if they ever correct my canal being screwed up it will fuck up my balance
23:43<amitz>pharaun: I see, I thought it was a mistype :-p
23:43<CompWizrd>pharaun: you oral or ASL?
23:43<pharaun>CompWizrd: SEE :-p
23:43<CompWizrd>(or your local SL)
23:43<pharaun>but yeah i learned a bit of "ASL" signs
23:43<amitz>CompWizrd: you mean, because it disturbs the water in your spirally thingie?
23:43<pharaun>but i still retain english ordering and all of that
23:43<amitz>CompWizrd: the loud voice
23:43<CompWizrd>yeah, getting used to the grammar in ASL is weird
23:44<pharaun>CompWizrd: yeah i never liked it myself
23:44<pharaun>i prefer english but i'm stubborn like that
23:44<CompWizrd>i grew up oral, i'm just finishing ASL 2 in a few weeks.. going to do asl 3 in the fall
23:44<CompWizrd>my wife is somewhere around ASL 4
23:44<pharaun>the more some of my friend try to push asl onto me, the more i want to retain see myself
23:44<CompWizrd>but has been doing it for 10+ years
23:44<CompWizrd>so she's been tutoring/teaching my classmates outside of class
23:45<CompWizrd>since she's bored taking the class with me, heh
23:45<CompWizrd>out of curiosity, how's your spelling?
23:45<CompWizrd>its very rare for me to find a deaf person who can spell :)
23:46<amitz>CompWizrd... why?
23:46<amitz>since english is not exactly consistent in its pronounciation rule.
23:47<pharaun>CompWizrd: well, i never was good with spelling, cos i *HATED* memorization
23:47<CompWizrd>amitz: well , deaf education has been very hit and miss.. between people forcing deaf people to be oral, and the fact that ASL is not english, they tend to not learn at the same rate as hearing people
23:47<pharaun>so i more or less failed spelling tests growing up
23:47<pharaun>grammar on the other hand i'm some what "decent" better than the average but eh
23:48<pharaun>amitz: yeah etc etc
23:48<pharaun>plus you got the whole issue with L1 vs L2
23:48<pharaun>if you got weaker L1 then you tend to have a much weaker L2
23:49<pharaun>CompWizrd: I'm piss poor w/ spelling but i use spellchecker to help, but anyway I am a mainstream kid, and was taught "proper" english and SEE
23:49<amitz>Perihelion: I heard there are some children in US who kiss frog due to that new disney movie :-p
23:49<amitz>and some develop skin disease because of that :-p
23:49<pharaun>because my parents were quite strict with my education, and ensured that my interpreter always spoke exactly how i signed, hence i would have to sign/ like a hearing person would speak/etc
23:50<pharaun>plus many other factors, my parents ensured that i had a "strong" language education
23:51<CompWizrd>and XX years of IRC fixes everything else!
23:51<amitz>Perihelion: . I was wrong in some details.
23:53<pharaun>CompWizrd: i probably can get into more details, etc etc, but let's just say i was lucky to have very strict parents who were really focused on education and my language learning, so i'm very graceful to them
23:53<CompWizrd>neither of my asl teachers can spell worth a damn, so my wife is getting used to me facepalming when they write something on the board
23:53<pharaun>and CompWizrd i can probably detail it out latter but its getting late, midnight here and i need to head to bed
23:54<pharaun>CompWizrd: hahaha not surprised, most people can't spell worth damn, i have that problem, if its handspell, i can't spell worth shit cos I can't "
23:54<pharaun>GODDAMN IT
23:54<CompWizrd>finger spelling is driving me nuts sometimes.. someone fingerspells a 10 letter word.. and i forget the first letters by the time they get to the end
23:54<CompWizrd>then they start over for me, and i forget the last letters
23:54<pharaun>I can't "see" the word, but if i write it down, i can most of the time, notice that it seems funny, mis-shaped, or etc, and then work my way toward the correct spelling
23:54<pharaun>CompWizrd: hahahah yes
23:55<amitz>CompWizrd: I thought it's just me!
23:55<pharaun>CompWizrd: you gotta to get used to it, but honestly no one i know spell things out
23:55<pharaun>they never bother to spell more than 3-4 letter then throw a funny hand to indicate "gibbish"
23:55<pharaun>and you guess from the context
23:55<CompWizrd>well, i'm new (signs **new baby signer**) so they have to finger spell stuff for me
23:55<pharaun>anyway, i need to shut up, and get off
23:56<pharaun>so i can get some sleep arugh
23:56<CompWizrd>i should go to bed too
23:56<pharaun>so yeah nite :), ping me some other time if you're ever on :)
23:56<CompWizrd>but i'm setting up my brothers new 3ware arrays for him
23:57<CompWizrd>some of my classmates are a bit twisted.. we were reviewing "semester" and the one guy says, "two rocks, moving!"
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23:57<CompWizrd>more facepalming from that
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23:59<stefanie>b/c the world isn't twisted enough
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