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---Logopened Thu Apr 01 00:00:07 2010
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00:00<tjfontaine>FOOLED YOU
00:00<randallman>oh that was wrong :)
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00:00<@jed>An announcement, folks
00:00<tjfontaine>randallman: or so right
00:00<randallman>Linode is filing for protection under chapter 11
00:01<Trystan>it better be funny.
00:01<randallman>all your data are belong to us
00:01<@jed>I got nothing
00:01*caker sells to Microsoft
00:01<@jed>I'm unprepared.
00:01<@jed>yeah, I was going to say something like that but caker wins
00:01<@jed>Trystan's comment kind of scared me out of it
00:01<straterra>caker: about damn time
00:01*jed back to sqlite3
00:01<straterra>At least I will get .Net integration with the API
00:02<tjfontaine>straterra: jackson harper is already doing that
00:02<Trystan>jed: News shows and reputable sites were trying it here
00:02<straterra>Microsoft will do it better
00:02<Trystan>but it kinda makes me loose respect for them
00:02<Trystan>linode is a different environment..
00:02<randallman>Attention: all linode guests will be converted to Hyper-V
00:02<Trystan>but a news network shouldnt try it..
00:03<randallman>Tystan, agreed.... news is FACTS... kthx
00:03<nacht>"more than 60 termios flags"
00:03<straterra>I can run server 2008 r2 on my linode
00:03<nacht>how the hell am i supposd to deal with that?
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00:04<@jed>Ladies and gentlemen, I am proud to announce that Linode has been acquired by SCO Group. Effective immediately, Linux will no longer be a choice to run on a Linode. We are evaluating other possibilities.
00:04<randallman>SCO lol
00:05<randallman>that made my yesterday, jed :)
00:05*purrdeta giggles.
00:05<straterra>What did they pay Linode with, jellybeans?
00:05<Trystan>i'd sell out for jellybeans..
00:05<randallman>Straterra, no, veiled threats of law suits
00:05<straterra>randallman: but..they're out of moneys now
00:05<randallman>hence veiled :)
00:05<erikh>yay my bill arrived
00:05<straterra>Maybe they'll sell off stuff like CompUSA
00:06<Trystan>interesting response to a bill...
00:06<straterra>I want a SCO stapler
00:06<@pparadis>lolz compuseless
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00:06<erikh>jed: so does that mean I'll finally be able to run FreeBSD?
00:06*erikh ducks
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00:06<@jed>erikh: we'll run windows first
00:06*jed runs
00:07<randallman>that's sayin something :p
00:07<randallman>Rather run windows that FreeBSD :)
00:07<@jed>I kid.
00:07<erikh>indubitably I believe we're at an impasse.
00:07*erikh twirls his moustache
00:07<erikh>anyhow, coffee good. coffee+irc, not so much (for you guys)
00:09<straterra>My C++ app uses 12 megs of memory :/
00:09<@jed>hint: ++
00:09<straterra>I demand answers
00:10<straterra>granted, its a debug build
00:10<randallman>pmap? :P
00:10<jtsage>straterra- it'd be 3mb, but those damn ++'s are exponential.
00:10<tjfontaine>thanks for the april fools joke linode, you can take the invoice back now :)
00:10<Alex-HK>Hello, how and if can i deploy centos 5.3-minimal distro for the new vps?
00:11<randallman>you put your right foot in, you take your right foot out, you put your right foot in, and you shake it all about
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00:11<randallman>Is CentOS an option in the distro wizard?
00:11<randallman>I never looked for it
00:12<straterra>Atleast the binary is only 81k
00:12<randallman>straterra, look on the bright side - its not running in a JVM w/ a 512mb heap
00:12<straterra>No shit
00:12<straterra>I hate java so much
00:13<straterra>Even doing Android devel pains me
00:13<@jed>get an arduino
00:13<@jed>32k of power.
00:13<@jed>just pulling in the Ethernet library adds a fat 4k, so have fun optimizing once you add the Twitter ability
00:15<Alex-HK><randallman> there is centos 5.3 and centos 5.3 64bit options
00:15<randallman>Alex, so then I'd gander to say it'll work
00:15<randallman>just clicky click and bam :)
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00:17<Trystan>mm, but are they the minimal install he is after?
00:17<randallman>dunno, Im basically totally not helpful :)
00:17<randallman>I just wanted to sing the hokey pokey, and then I felt guilty :)
00:17<Trystan>i understand.
00:18<Trystan>what did you do with your left foot?
00:18<randallman>I probably wouldnt choose to run CentOS on a 'node
00:18<randallman>I get my daily fix of RHEL... daily :)
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00:18<linbot>New news from forums: Offsite Backups HOW-TO in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
00:19<straterra>I run RHEL on a linode
00:19<randallman>do ya really?
00:19<randallman>what was the methodology for getting it up there?
00:19<straterra>Less hassle than my gentoo node
00:20<straterra>I meant CentOS
00:20<straterra>Sorry..tired..april fools?
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00:27<nacht>in australia
00:27<nacht>you can only pull pranks before noon
00:27<nacht>or else you are the fool
00:27<pharaun>oh yeah
00:27<pharaun>apirl fools day
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00:29<Trystan>nacht: but it is before noon for them
00:30<Trystan>well.. some of them
00:30<Trystan>dunno about all
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00:31<jtsage>i soo wanted to go to bed too... blah... "starring chuck norris" ...blah. much harder now
00:32<nacht>no i dont think it is
00:32<nacht>it's 3:43 on the east coast
00:32<nacht>and 12:43 on the west coast
00:33<Trystan>i mean most of the people here
00:33<Trystan>Europe and the US
00:33<nacht>well thats true
00:33<Trystan>(i'm East coast Aus)
00:33<nacht>haha ok
00:33<nacht>what state?
00:34<Trystan>see Whirlpools?
00:34<nacht>im (hopefully) visiting tasmania in june
00:34<Trystan>oh, where abouts are you from?
00:34<nacht>eastern US
00:34<Trystan>ahh ok
00:35<nacht>i do not see whirlpools
00:35<Trystan>you dont have a noon rule on pranks?
00:35<Trystan>(thought you were Australian so you woulda known what i meant, its a broadband consumer site that did a whirlpool prank)
00:35<nacht>no we dont have one
00:36<nacht>pranks all day!
00:36<Trystan>hm, that could get annoying lol
00:36<nacht>nah its not so bad
00:37<nacht>how old are you?
00:37<nacht>do you go to uni?
00:37<nacht>i know some people at Newcastle
00:38<Trystan>finished uni
00:38<nacht>ah ok
00:38<Trystan>live WAY down the other end of NSW :)
00:39<nacht>it's 343 there, right?
00:39<nacht>er, 3:50
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00:40<ferodynamics>this is probably in the FAQ but I'll ask anyway: Is there a discount for prepaying 1 year?
00:40<ferodynamics>ok tnx
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00:42<ferodynamics>!newcalc $20 * 12 * 10%
00:42<linbot>ferodynamics: You broke teh goog!
00:42<jtsage>240 - 24 = 216
00:42<ferodynamics>that z slowz you down
00:42<@jed>okay #linode settle a debate
00:42<jtsage>i think
00:43<@jed>you have fixed a bug in some code, and are about to commit it
00:43<@jed>which is correct:
00:43<@jed>$ git commit -m "Fix a bug related to frobnicating"
00:43<@jed>$ git commit -m "Fix a bug related to frobnicating."
00:43<@jed>you have 60 seconds, go
00:43<bob2>you forgot to abuse the person who committed the bug
00:43<ferodynamics>don't submit the code and fork your own version
00:43<bob2>git blame, then try again
00:44<jtsage>jed - depends on if you are usually to lazy to type the period or now. uniformity!
00:44<bob2>(yes to trailing dot)
00:44<@jed>bob2: what
00:44<@jed>it's not a complete sentence, people!
00:44<pharaun>no dot
00:44*jed stands strong
00:44<@tasaro>jed: itym no
00:44*jed hugs tom
00:45<jtsage>jed - fwiw, in practice, for that, i'd use a period - it's the end of the commit message. something like "New Version - x.x.x" wouldn't get one, as i'd do it interactivly and list what did or was changing
00:45<@jed>a trailing dot on the short commit message drives me up the wall
00:45<Trystan>jed. neither
00:46<randallman>just commit with 'No Comment' :PO
00:47<Trystan>$ git commit -m "Fixed a bug relating to frobnicating."
00:47<Trystan>but, either way the whole purpose is to get the point of the commit across
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00:48<Trystan>so with or without is the same.
00:48<@irgeek>I put periods in just to drive jed insane.
00:48<@caker>I shall now end every IRC message with a period.
00:48<@irgeek>I figure a few more months and I'll have my own office.
00:48<@jed>see what I mean about cult of full stop
00:48*jtsage agrees.
00:48<Trystan>its an awesome cult, you must admit.
00:49<@caker>this one time. at band camp.
00:49<ferodynamics>Unless it's a complete sentence it doesn't get a period.
00:49<Trystan>you put a period in your pussy?.
00:49<@jed>ferodynamics: SUCCESS
00:49<SelfishMan>yes it does.
00:49*SelfishMan runs.
00:50<@jed>I'm surprised opinion is so divided on this topic
00:50<@jed>I think tychoish needs to write an essay on it
00:50<Trystan>why so?
00:50<@irgeek>"AirPort Utility was unable to find any AirPort wireless devices." O RLY? Then how did I just download the AirPort Utility update?
00:50<SelfishMan>sentences get periods
00:50<Trystan>opinion is different from caring
00:50<SelfishMan>except when too lazy to type it
00:50<@irgeek>Stupid technology.
00:50<ferodynamics>It' OK to break the rule if you work for a fancy marketing company and you want to sound slick.
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00:51<ferodynamics>Sexy. Fast. Lamborghini. They get off on periods.
00:52<@jed>my opinion:
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00:53<@jed>summaries don't get full stops
00:53<@jed>full sentences do.
00:53<@jed>period for emphasis.
00:53<@jed>Hammer time.
00:53<SelfishMan>Collaberate and listen
00:53<@Perihelion>so jed
00:54<@Perihelion>ive pondered hallowwen a bit more
00:54<SelfishMan>sorry, I just heard some vanilla ice
00:54<@Perihelion>and i think you should go as hypno toad
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00:54<@jed>it's a sealed deal for kool-aid man
00:54<SelfishMan>OH YEAH.
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00:54<@jed>I'm gonna break through the wall dividing my and phil's offices, too
00:54<@jed>OH YEAH
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00:55<@Perihelion>shit or get off the pot
00:56<@Perihelion>that was for MSN
00:56<@Perihelion>not here
00:56<@jed>applicable anywhere, imo
00:56<@Perihelion>True, but no one's prarie doggin like they're important in here
00:56<@Perihelion>I dont think
00:56<@Perihelion>if they are, it applies
00:57<Trystan>never heard that term
00:57<Trystan>prarie doggin
00:57<@jed>prairie doggin'?
00:57<@jed>it's kinda gross, check out urban dictionary
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00:58<SelfishMan>urban dictionary?.
00:58<@jed>some site!.
00:58<@jed>Trystan: exactly
00:58<ferodynamics>unfortunately I know what it is, actually it's more useful than a real dictionary in some situations.
00:58<SelfishMan>they have the urban dictionaries on the internets now?.
00:59<@jed>Trystan: definition 1 on that page is solid gold
01:01<@Perihelion>I meant it figuratively
01:01<@Perihelion>as in...people who talk like they might be saying something important when they really arent
01:05<Trystan>crap starts coming out of their mouth, then it seems like something important is gonna be said (crap disapears) then its suddenly back again
01:05<linbot>New news from forums: Wordpress+Nginx+super cache help! in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
01:05<Trystan>i think its a valid implementation of the term!
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01:07<@Perihelion>So...shit or get off the pot...say what you wanna say or gtfo :3
01:08<Trystan>almost time to go make random strangers coffee...
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01:09<Trystan>part of our duty as a road rescue crew is public interaction
01:09<Trystan>since its a long weekend. VERY busy night on the road
01:10<Trystan>we setup a van with free coffee and cookies
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01:10<Trystan>also all on duty for callouts.
01:10<@Perihelion>What would I have to do to get free cookies?
01:11<Trystan>find a concorde and have it unretired
01:11<Trystan>quickly fly over to Australia
01:11<Trystan>get in a car and drive to where we are (though you could stop at any others along the way....)
01:12<Trystan>and say 'Stop prarie doggin, i'm here give me my cookies already (so i know its you..)'
01:12<@Perihelion>Im partial to cookies or gtfo
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01:13<Trystan>one of the guys is bringing a projector to have a movie running
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01:13<Trystan>the suggestion was made that the screen should be made visable by road showing crash scenes
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01:15<Trystan>hopefully a quite nite.
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01:25<MJCS>fuck yeah...3 craps
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01:26<bob2_>so, what's the carbon footprint of a 360?
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01:27<linbot>New news from forums: how to set up ssh authentication for dedicated ip in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <> || OpenVPN connecting but nothing works in Linux Networking <>
01:27<Trystan>of a360?
01:27<Trystan>pretty high i would imagine
01:27<Trystan>jets in general guzzle lotsa fuel
01:27<amitz>bob2_: mikegrb's footprint.
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01:38<linbot>New news from forums: MySQL seems to hang the server in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <> || Protecting my bandwidth in Linux Networking <>
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02:26<linbot>New news from forums: nginx + php with php.ini? in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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02:38<linbot>New news from forums: Setting up server for multiple users in General Discussion <>
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03:15<amitz>purrdeta: hmm I see nothing lol worthy. Did I miss something?
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03:16<purrdeta>The fact that it is named Topeka
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03:18<amitz>heh :-)
03:18<purrdeta>I suppose I am easily amused.
03:19<purrdeta>I hope more... amusing stuff comes later though
03:20<amitz>I'm in a bad mood today so I may be less sensitive to amusement -_-
03:21<@Perihelion>im tired
03:23<purrdeta> < laugh at that amitz :)
03:24<amitz>Perihelion: OOM-ing! OOM-ing! the OOM-inducing-sleep()!
03:25<amitz>purrdeta: I like that comic and despite someone pointing otherwise, I somehow believe that the author of that comic is jkwood :-p
03:25<purrdeta>I like that you can "sudo make me a sandwich" and "cat"
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03:26<amitz>contrary to a testimonial.
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03:26<amitz>but oh well :-)
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03:45<Napta_>always great when you're learning a language and you see: [BUG] Segmentation fault
03:46<Napta_>quite reassuraing
03:49<mdcollins>gah, why is it damned near impossible for a non-techie do take a legally purchased dvd and make a video file to place on their ipod.
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03:49<mdcollins>failed.. miserably.
03:49<purrdeta>mdcollins: if it were easy you would STEAL EVERYTHING!!!!@@##
03:50<bob2>failed how
03:50<mdcollins>like selecting the dvd, it goes for 30 mins or so saying its trying to read the chapter info
03:50<mdcollins>and you cant convert it or anything like that
03:52<mdcollins>something like this: DVD: read error on blk 807727, attempt 1
03:54<SomeoneE1se>I don't have that problem but then again I don't play for my media.... a sad sad truth
03:54<mdcollins>well, it wasnt for me, but i was running through it with a non-techie on my computer and was getting the same errors as they were
03:55<mdcollins>might have to use dvdfab, then handbrake..
03:55<mdcollins>ugh, trial version of dvdfab
03:56<mdcollins>anyways, im out.. time to sleep..
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04:49<linbot>amitz: Yo momma's so dumb, she runs Kubuntu64 on her 360! (733:17/2) [mmruo]
04:50<linbot>double pits to chesty, he nailed it
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04:57<agentbleubleu>with iptables I need to block port 10000 outside and allow access to only 1 IP, so is this right: I need 2 rules, INPUT and OUTPUT, :
04:58<agentbleubleu>iptables -A INPUT -m state -p tcp --dport 10000 ! --state INVALID -s
04:58<agentbleubleu> -j ACCEPT
04:58<agentbleubleu>iptables -A OUTPUT -m state -p tcp --sport 10000 --state ESTABLISHED,
04:58<agentbleubleu>RELATED -d -j ACCEPT
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04:59<chesty>eh? i think i would do it differently
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05:00<chesty>iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 10000 -j DROP
05:01<chesty>iptables -I INPUT -s 97.x..x.x -p tcp --dport 10000 -j ACCEPT
05:01<agentbleubleu>ok that looks much saner
05:02<chesty>you way might work, but i can't really get my head around it
05:02<agentbleubleu>nor can I :P
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05:06<chesty>but urmom sure can
05:06<linbot>New news from forums: DNS and Fixed ip /dhcp in Linux Networking <>
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05:23<agentbleubleu>what happens when you buy a ssl cert and it runs out after one year (godaddy) should it stop working? I have one on one site older than a year and it still works?
05:23<linbot>New news from forums: OpenVPN stopped working suddenly? in Linux Networking <>
05:26<amitz>end of hectic day!
05:26<amitz>long weekend, here I come!
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05:28<chesty>amitz: you get two days off for easter?
05:28<amitz>chesty: oh no. I usually work on saturday but I decided to close the shop
05:29<bob2>agentbleubleu: browsers start throwing errors
05:29<bob2>and you look dodgy to all your customers
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05:30<amitz>but that causes all orders for friday, saturday, and sunday to be moved to today or monday. Hence the very busy today.
05:32<amitz>We were so busy I have to move 1 tonnage worth of material :-D
05:32<amitz>good for exercise but I really need a bath right now.
05:33<chesty>i wasn't going to say anything but yes, you do
05:33<amitz>divided over 20 units of item :-p
05:34<chesty>!newcalc 1 tonne / 20
05:34<linbot>New news from forums: Linode Backup Service (beta 2.0) in Backup Service Beta <>
05:34<linbot>chesty: (1 tonne) / 20 = 50 kilograms
05:34<amitz>perhaps it's good day to swim but the pool will be very crowded, hmm...
05:35<chesty>take a chocolate log bar with you
05:36<amitz>casual googling reveals no information. What's a chocolate log bar?
05:36<chesty>it looks like poo
05:36<amitz>they're sacks of cements.
05:37<chesty>put in in the rear of your bathers
05:37<chesty>pull it out when in the water
05:37<amitz>ooh, good idea. you're very experienced in this chesty.
05:37<chesty>it was in a movie
05:37<Internat>haha cli@xkcd is awesoe
05:37<Internat>wheres our resident xkcd staff memeber
05:38*Internat gives __Randall a thumbs up
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05:39<amitz>if I can keep swimming on the bottom from end to end, crowd in pool can be considered insignificant... if I can :-p
05:40<chesty>i can swim across 10 lanes underwater, not 50m, though
05:41<amitz>chesty: that is really good. I'm nowhere close although I don't know the specific number of lanes for me.
05:41<amitz>oh wait, you mean near the suface?
05:42<chesty>completely under, near the bottom. olympic size pool
05:44<amitz>chesty: woah, hmm.. allow me to make you my target for my pursuit of personal fitness!
05:44<amitz>althought my first target should be shrinking my belly :-p
05:44<chesty>i think lung capacity is genetics more than anything
05:45<chesty>but you can get better at holding your breathe, so, i don't know
05:45<chesty>or breath?
05:45<chesty>i think without the e
05:45<amitz>chesty: yeah I believe, given the records on marathon running. But a guy need a target to motivate him ;-)
05:46<amitz>breath... I think. probably.
05:47<amitz>I have this one rather old guy who compete with me. We don't know each other but we kind of enjoy our company swimming in laps.
05:47<amitz>It's like a silent agreement to compete.
05:48<amitz>s/our company/accompanying each other/
05:48<amitz>Well, I enjoy it. I don't know if he does :-p
05:49<chesty>you must be rich to have a big stomach in indonesia, it's the opposite in the usa
05:50<amitz>chesty: it's probably a few decades ago but not now. Too many cheap junk food these days. Franchises like McD are still expensive but our local food tend to be of deep fried kinds.
05:51<amitz>s/a few/true a few/
05:51<chesty>ah right
05:52<amitz>and weird high cholesterol stuff like the guts of chicken/beef/pig/goats/etc
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05:52<amitz>wait, no guts of ducks I'm aware of!
05:53<amitz>nor goats.
05:53<chesty>i don't think we eat goats here
05:53<amitz>you should try, it's good especially in cold weather. Heat inducing food.
05:53<chesty>lamb is an aussie tradition, started by the lamb industry
05:54<amitz>ah, I have tried lamb but it's not common here. I don't find it tasty but then perhaps the food I ate wasn't cooked well.
05:54<amitz>so other countries are supposed to be not lamb eaters?
05:55<chesty>no idea
05:55<amitz>bad chef perhaps.
05:55<chesty>i think arabs like it
05:56<amitz>anyway, time to leave. Wife is about to be ready. ooh, hmm on the other hand, arab land is not exactly friendly of lamb. The lamb will sweat like crazy hahaha
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06:13<agentbleubleu>when generating a ssl cert godaddy says openssl genrsa -des3 -out <name of your certificate>.key 2048; what would be the <name of your certificate>?
06:15<agentbleubleu>is it domains name?
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06:17<MaZ->its just the filename that the cert gets written to
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07:14<chesty>no hi
07:14<Scaramanga>hi ho
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07:16<vespiacic>can you help me with a billing issue?
07:16<chesty>a ticket is best for billing issue, or email support
07:17<vespiacic>already opened, just a question about terms of service
07:17<vespiacic>it says:
07:17<vespiacic>All refunds are subject to a $5.00 service charge unless cancelling with the 7 day money-back guarantee period.
07:18<vespiacic>i'm in the 7 days, where should i click for a refund?
07:18<chesty>i elieve when you cancel your account, there's a note section to ask for your money back.
07:20<vespiacic>ok i'll try, thank you!
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07:36<ewanmclean>hello. anyone else had problems with mounting / after an ubuntu dist-upgrade?
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07:41<duncan>Hi - I'm having trouble doing a dns lookup for from linodes (even when specifying their nameservers as the server to query), although it works fine elsewhere. Are there any known issues with things like this?
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07:41<chesty>ewanmclean: what kernel are you using?
07:42<thezach>I could use some help, I think my linode is falling victim to a DOS attack
07:42<ewanmclean>chesty: i think i just found what you're about to suggest. i just changed to paravirt, is that right?
07:42<ewanmclean>heh, google ftw. thanks though
07:43<thezach>ewanmclean: You mean topeka right :P?
07:44<thezach>what do I do if it looks like my linode is being DOS'd
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07:45<thezach>my network graphs are through the roof, I rebooted it and its still continuing
07:45<chesty>you can't do anything about DOS's except maybe block you ip address up stream so it doesn't affect other users of your node
07:46<ewanmclean>chesty: is the root filesystem supposed to be mounted read only?
07:46<ewanmclean>for daily use i mean
07:47<chesty>yeah, during the boot process it gets mounted read-write
07:48<chesty>it's supposed to, anyway, unless the boot process stops because the filesystem is corrupt
07:48<thezach>is there a way i can find out the ip that the attack is coming from
07:52<thezach>fuck i cant even use the ajax console
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08:17<duncan>is anyone able to give me a hand with some DNS fun?
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08:33<HoopyCat>boy it's bright out there
08:33<HoopyCat>duncan: ask and perhaps someone'll know something or other
08:33<duncan> I'm having trouble doing a dns lookup for from linodes (even when specifying their nameservers as the server to query), although it works fine elsewhere. Are there any known issues with things like this?
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08:35<HoopyCat>duncan: looks ok from here... where are you querying from?
08:35<duncan>tried querying from several linodes (all in London)
08:37<bob2>wfm from london
08:37<HoopyCat>$10 says they've got a filter in place blocking from reaching their nameservers, all of which are in the same network
08:39<duncan>i was thinking that might be the case, but figured it could also be a problem or something at linode's end
08:39<bob2>it has no glue
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08:40<bob2>oops, .net vs .co
08:40<HoopyCat>duncan: might be worth opening a ticket on linode's end; they're pretty good about busting skulls as required.
08:41<HoopyCat>duncan: or you can yell at directly, but odds are good that if they've still got filters in place blocking address space that's been allocated for well over a year...
08:42<duncan>probably easier to get linode to yell at them, they would have a bit more authority that I do :)
08:43<HoopyCat>duncan: nod... my usual rule of thumb is to pass the problem off to whomever i have to pay :-)
08:43<HoopyCat>in the event of a tie, i pass the problem off to whomever has the most reasonable and accessible clue
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08:52<thezach>hmmm my load average is through the roof HELP
08:52<thezach> 08:51:45 up 0 min, 1 user, load average: 4.55, 1.00, 0.32
08:53<HoopyCat>you just booted, and i wouldn't call that necessarily "through the roof"...
08:53<thezach>now the console just completley quit responding through LISH
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08:56<thezach>now its just displaying something about pages, swap and pagetables
08:56<HoopyCat>thezach: what's normally running? might be time to fire up single user mode and disable auto-start of anything that's prone to explode
08:57<thezach>just apache and mysql
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08:58<HoopyCat>i bet there's some php in there too
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08:59<Daevien>run, it's Guspaz
09:00<HoopyCat>thezach: try booting into single-user mode and inhibit apache from starting on boot; apache is quite prone to going nuts and killing machines
09:00<Guspaz>Guspaz is in a car on the highway.
09:00<thezach>thats what im seeing on lish
09:00<Guspaz>Guspaz will not be connected long.
09:00<Guspaz>Once Guspaz hits the US border, he will lose internet.
09:00<Guspaz>For the cost per gig will go from $30 to $30,000
09:01<thezach>hoopycat how do i boot into single user mode and disable apache? Sorry this is my first big issue
09:03<HoopyCat>Free swap = 0kB
09:03<HoopyCat>START THE BUS
09:03<HoopyCat>thezach: which distro are you running?
09:04<Guspaz>Bus? This rental is some sort of "crossover" monstrosity. Some strange cross between an SUV and minivan.
09:04*Daevien quietly stabs pandora for making him click constantly that he's still listening
09:05<linbot>New news from forums: Silly Port Scans in General Discussion <>
09:05<Daevien>then again, the simple fact that i can listen to pandora and they can't has the rest of the non techie people here at work in awe :p
09:06<Guspaz>We don't have Pandora in Canada.
09:06<Daevien>yep. and i'm in canada :p
09:07<Guspaz>Instead, I use the very buggy Shoutcast app to listen to animenfo radio.
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09:07<fapestniegd>all you need is one open tcp port and a place to put your feet, and you can move the internet
09:07<HoopyCat>thezach: is probably a good way to get where you need to be; once you're up and going, mount /dev/xvdb /mnt, then rename the /mnt/etc/rc3.d/S??apache2 file to /mnt/etc/rc3.d/K??apache2
09:07<HoopyCat>Daevien: pandora is susceptable to bribery
09:07<Daevien>well sinc ethis laptop runs linux, it's as simple as setting up ssh to one of my linode's & foxyproxy in firefox and i never have to think of it again :p
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09:08<Guspaz>It's more a concern of not even being able to install pandora.
09:09<Guspaz>Since that'd require jailbreaking.
09:09<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
09:09<HoopyCat>completely unrelated to everything, + == i love morning
09:11<Daevien>i haven't gotten around to setting up pandora on my ipod touch, mostly because i usually have this laptop with me if i want to listen to it anyway (12" toshiba laptop so it's easy to carry around)
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09:12<HoopyCat>Daevien: forgive me for perhaps missing something important here, but wait... it's less of a pain in the ass to use a laptop to play music than it is to use a music player to play music?
09:13<Daevien>it's less of a pain to sort out proxying through the ipod since last time i tried it (though on an 8gb model) with the ssh command it didn't want to proxy right.. since it's a touch and not an iphone and anywhere i'd have internet, i have the laptop setup
09:13<Daevien>if it was an iphone with 3g, then it'd be worth it
09:17<Guspaz>OMGBORDER! Entering the US :(
09:17<Guspaz>No more internets.
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09:18<@irgeek>LIES! We have the Internets here!
09:19<Guspaz>Hmm, I have internet at the border.
09:19<Guspaz>Yay, the guard let us through.
09:19<Guspaz>Now internet goes away.
09:19<Daevien>only a small bribe required?
09:20*irgeek now thinks we need better guards at the border with Canadia
09:20<TimothyA>"Zis is ze USA. You cannot have ze liberty or ze internets because you can commitheth ze fraud and crimez withz it"
09:21<@irgeek>They'll let anyone in now.
09:21<stefanie>irgeek: but they have the maple syrup.
09:22<TimothyA>irgeek: they let anyone in now so they can more easily build their facisct army
09:22<TimothyA>the mexican army in the USA
09:22<@irgeek>We have that in NY & Maine.
09:23<stefanie>but it's not the same
09:24<HoopyCat>canadians are ruthless and efficient
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09:25<@irgeek>Oh no! The guards discovered that Guspaz was trying to smuggle the Internets across the border.
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09:27<Daevien>didn't you marry a canadian or something hoopy?
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09:28<chesty>i thought hoopys mom was canadian, coincidence?
09:29<Daevien>why, just cause is uber?
09:29<HoopyCat>Daevien: yeah; escape plan in the unlikely event the united states becomes a fractured shell of its once-proud self through petty infighting and political hypocracy
09:29<HoopyCat>OH WAIT
09:30<HoopyCat>unrelatedly, before our blind date, i topeka'ed urmom with AltaVista
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09:31<Daevien>HoopyCat: unlikely? :p
09:38<stefanie> <-lulz
09:39<HoopyCat>quick, to the poonmobile!
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09:44<HoopyCat>poonrockets in flight; afternoon delight
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09:53<HoopyCat>Run up a decent drink tab, and, chances are, it
09:54<HoopyCat>will all be tax deductible!
09:54<HoopyCat>... alrighty, that's crossing the line for april fools jokes
09:56<Napta_>I found a great way to run up an expensive drink tab and have the bar pick it up
09:56<Napta_>Go to a 5 star hotel and get the room with the broken lock. If it works, break it (:o) - complain, and whilst the maintanence man fixes it the drinks are on the house. "top shelf whisky, please!"
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09:57<HoopyCat>Napta_: oh, i usually just use the burned-out linode renewal $20 prepaid debit card with 5 cents left on it
09:57<Alex-HK>Hello we've just moved to Linode today and very happy! ;-)
09:58<Napta_>HoopyCat: hehehe
09:58<Napta_>hi Alex-HK
09:59<HoopyCat>Napta_: it, unfortunately, means that the name on my linode is "HUGH JORGAN"
09:59<HoopyCat>Alex-HK: yay!
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09:59<randallman>yay, rdns workie
10:01<Napta_>argh, if only I could sanitize this ruby, thing
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10:03<jkwood>Have you tried rubbing alcohol?
10:03<Napta_>yes. twice.
10:04<Alex-HK>my rdns haven't updated for about 10 hours.. still li***-****
10:04<jkwood>Well, at least your hands smell like whiskey now.
10:04*Napta_ goes around jackSlappin' the unsuspecting
10:04<Alex-HK>maybe it takes more time than i expected :-)
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10:05<jkwood>Alex-HK: Depends on the TTL. If it's 24 hours, then it'll be a while.
10:05*Napta_ invites Alex-HK to lick away his troubles
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10:08<Alex-HK>have anyone seen this warrning before: postfix/postfix-script: warning: /usr/lib/sendmail and /usr/sbin/sendmail differ ?
10:08<Alex-HK>postfix/postfix-script: warning: Replace one by a symbolic link to the other
10:09<Alex-HK>i was tried to google it but no so many results..
10:11<agentbleubleu>I need to upgrade apache to from 2.2.3 to 2.2.9 but my repositories dont see it, what to do?
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10:14<Clorith>hmm, when making a walljack for your cat5, is there a specific order you need to make it?
10:14<Clorith>I know the wall piece is color coded inside, but for the end i smack into the switch, should it be the same color..or?
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10:15<drecute>i need help on openvpn
10:16<drecute>i have followed all steps as described at
10:16<drecute>but i can't browse webpages
10:17<drecute>actually connection to the internet was successful
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10:27<Alex-HK>Hello friends I've open forum topic with my problem please help if possible:
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10:30<linbot>New news from forums: postfix/postfix-script warning sendmail differ in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
10:32<HoopyCat>Alex-HK: i usually say "allow a day or so"; for some address blocks, linode has to push the updates to the datacenter folks, and it can take awhile before the datacenter's nameservers notice... then there's the ttl
10:32<HoopyCat>Alex-HK: which distribution are you running and how did you install postfix? 'tis a weirdun
10:33<HoopyCat>agentbleubleu: which distribution are you running, and for what reason do you need to upgrade? (there may be another way)
10:34<agentbleubleu>ubuntu 803 with webmin, they (webmin) say leave as is and report as false positive to PCI
10:34<HoopyCat>Clorith: yes, there's a standard for that... actually, two standards. but it should be the same on both ends regardless
10:35<Alex-HK>HoopyCat: Centos 5.3 -> yum install postfix
10:35<HoopyCat>drecute: can you ping 1) the private ip on the server end of the link, 2) the public ip on the server end of the link, 3) the default gateway of the server end of the link, and/or 4) some random IP address on the internet, like
10:36<Alex-HK>HoopyCat: postfix works ok but just this warrning comeing up every time...
10:37<HoopyCat>agentbleubleu: i'm assuming you mean ubuntu 8.04; if so, 2.2.8-1ubuntu0.15 looks to be the latest apache2 package? in either case, not 2.2.9, but that's normal for debian/ubuntu. still has the security patches, etc.
10:37<HoopyCat>Alex-HK: hmm... what do ls -l /usr/lib/sendmail and ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail look like?
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10:38<Alex-HK>"/usr/lib/sendmail -> /etc/alternatives/mta-sendmail"
10:38<Alex-HK>"/usr/sbin/sendmail -> /etc/alternatives/mta"
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10:39<Clorith>Hmmm, odd then, the cable tester shows it's fine, there's a big flashy reen "ok" light, but no data gets sent/received :s
10:39<HoopyCat>Clorith: per my handy communications textbook, T568A and T568B are the wiring guidelines, and they differ in the treatment of the 1/2 and 3/6 pairs.
10:39<Clorith>also, neat looking XKCD today
10:40<Clorith>yeah, I've used the A setup, as it's the way the box is colored inside
10:40<HoopyCat>Alex-HK: oh boy, that's fun. ls -l /etc/alternatives/mta and /etc/alternatives/mta-sendmail ... i wonder how that works out
10:41<Alex-HK>Alex-HK: actually it installed by yum this way... it wasn't me ;->
10:41<HoopyCat>Alex-HK: oh, i'm not blaming you, i'm blaming centos ;-)
10:42<HoopyCat>Clorith: this text doesn't get into which one to use, and i asked during lecture and got the old "uhhh... let's move right along to coaxial cables now"
10:43<Alex-HK>HoopyCat: /etc/alternatives/mta and /etc/alternatives/mta-sendmail leading to /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
10:44<Clorith>Yeah, the wall jack came with a manual though, which says to use A
10:44<HoopyCat>Alex-HK: hmm. i just flipped a coin; rm /usr/lib/sendmail && ln -s /etc/alternatives/mta /usr/lib/sendmail
10:45<HoopyCat>Alex-HK: ultimately, both /usr/lib/sendmail and /usr/sbin/sendmail are pointing at the same place, but the symbolic links themselves aren't... that's probably what's making postfix fuss.
10:45<HoopyCat>Clorith: nod, that's what i'd do
10:47<Alex-HK>HoopyCat: yeah, that coid I flipped twice :-) it is the same side and same warning ;-<
10:48<Clorith>heh, googles april fools are getitng worse and worse by the year =(
10:48<HoopyCat>Alex-HK: really? /usr/lib/sendmail and /usr/sbin/sendmail are now both links to /etc/alternatives/mta, which is a link to /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix, and it's still complaining? ok, it's gone irrational :-)
10:49<Alex-HK>Alex-HK: yea HoopyCat that is why I writing here: both -> /etc/alternatives/mta and then -> /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
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10:51<Alex-HK>HoopyCat: could you please check out that links at your side?
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10:53<HoopyCat>Alex-HK: i don't run centos here; with ubuntu 8.04, at least, postfix's fake sendmail is installed at /usr/sbin/sendmail and /usr/lib/sendmail is a symlink to ../sbin/sendmail
10:53<Clorith>uest@xkcd:/$ cat
10:53<Clorith>You're a kitty!
10:53<HoopyCat>Clorith: what happens if you pipe the cat?
10:54<@jed>four horsemen ride the earth
10:54<HoopyCat>four horsemen ride urmom
10:54<Clorith>it doen'st recognize it =(
10:55<Clorith>HoopyCat: that's not anything new though
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10:57<HoopyCat>ugh, pranks involving ex-lax are over the line. afk
10:58<MaZ->over the bowl*
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11:00<@jed>MaZ-: and...match.
11:00<@jed>good set
11:00<@jed>well done.
11:01<karstensrage>how often does linode reboot machines and what are the notifications like before they do it?
11:01<tjfontaine>very rarely and forum postings
11:01<JshWright>s/forum postings/support tickets/
11:01<@caker>very infrequently unless otherwise necessary, we email every DIRECTLY, and open tickets - and give at least a week's notice, but it depends on the severity
11:01<@jed>karstensrage: we open tickets for emergency reboots, and we typically do not have planned maintenance
11:02<JshWright>now there's a quote I wouldn't want in a publically logged IRC channel
11:03<@jed>I typed that while speaking to someone else, caker's answer is much better
11:03*caker bonks jed
11:03<@jed>let's try again: as caker said, we only reboot a machine if something is wrong, which is rare, and if we can we give notice
11:03<@jed>I am redeemed
11:04*jed gb2w
11:04<tjfontaine>gtfo gbtw
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11:05<Daevien>hey tjfontaine... where's your buddy today? :p
11:05<tjfontaine>he's here, just not asking for help yet
11:05<Daevien>oh there he is.,. not overly talkative yet though
11:06<tjfontaine>Daevien: the day is still early
11:06<MaZ->does anyone else feel super wary about hosting shit with people who have no mention of an SLA anywhere?
11:06<MaZ->because i do ;/
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11:07<HoopyCat>outside of beta-testing situations, i think i've been planned-maintenanced twice, and both had plenty of warning. most recent one involved a migration at my convenience (~15 minutes?) during a period of... i believe 1-2 weeks before the old host was electricianed
11:08<Daevien>and how long have you had a linode?
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11:08<HoopyCat>Daevien: i predate tasaro
11:08<Daevien>but not his mom? you just dated her?
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11:08<karstensrage>who is the parent company of Linode ?
11:09<HoopyCat>MaZ-: i prefer no SLA over a 100% SLA, 'cuz i know the latter is a lie :-)
11:09<@caker>karstensrage: Linode.
11:09<karstensrage>my vps company just got bought out by Endurance and the forums dont look favorable on them
11:09<Daevien>i knew you had been with linode quite a while, thats why i asked. so when they say rarely, they mean rarely. basiclaly if there is hardware failing seems to be the thing
11:09<amitz>karstensrage: it's linode all way up, young man.
11:09<HoopyCat>karstensrage: they're independently owned and operated, and probably will be for the foreseeable future
11:09<Alex-HK>HoopyCat: I've found the problem
11:09<HoopyCat>caker has too much fun
11:10<karstensrage>they are going to migrate my seattle nodes to boston and im sure that will go over with NO downtime<sarcasm/>
11:10<MaZ->HoopyCat: at least with a defined SLA you know where you stand though (assuming its not a bs 100% one)
11:11<amitz>karstensrage: btw, that's suppose to a parody of a theism joke.
11:12<ericoc>jeez, google has something about changing their name, then it clicks, it's april 1st
11:12<HoopyCat>Daevien: the unscheduled ones have usually been on hosts that have been up for a long-ass time. they usually run upgrades and other misc. while it's down.
11:12<ericoc>scaring me like that
11:12<karstensrage>amitz: i know it but its supposed to be "its linode all the way down"
11:12<HoopyCat>MaZ-: yeah, they mean you can stand in line and try to pry a $0.30 credit out of them
11:13<MaZ->i want my $0.30 goddammit
11:13<MaZ->see if i had my way all this would be hosted on linode
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11:13<MaZ->but alas :( i am not my own boss
11:13<Daevien>karstensrage: i'm happy with linode & how things are run so long as caker doesn't go (more) over the deep end, i don't intend to move or cancel my linodes in the future. not beena customer as long as hoopy but i hang around here and the only complaints i've heard have been unrealistic demands in reality
11:13<amitz>karstensrage: I know but you already said "up" so I used what's available :-p.
11:14*caker prefers realistic demands in non-reality
11:14<HoopyCat>ericoc: i lol'd, and i'm sure there's a city in kansas that lol'd too
11:15<Daevien>and fyi, in case you haven't already foudn out, caker = big cheese at linode.
11:16<jcy>hmmmm.... 40GB intel ssd for $100 on slickdeals
11:16<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
11:16<jkwood>The cheesy bacon.
11:16<@jed>more like big sausage
11:16<@jed>fnarr fnarr
11:16<HoopyCat>jed would know
11:16<karstensrage>so caker is the guy to complain to if there are issues?
11:16<jkwood>When you can catch him outside his giant pool of money, yes.
11:16<@jed>he has a cellular on the corporate jet, if you pay me $20 you can have it
11:17*karstensrage dcc's a 20 to jed
11:17<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. or urmom.
11:17<HoopyCat>karstensrage: well, there's a full fleet of engineers who also accept and process complaints
11:17<Daevien>but route all complaints through jed, he likes them :p
11:18<ericoc>i like how the referral credit is $20.00, but the monthly cost for a 360 is $19.95, so i have like $0.05 left over i think
11:18<Daevien>it's to screw with your mind ;)
11:18<MaZ->i still have $0.15 credit!
11:18<ericoc>so is my bill next month going to be $19.90
11:19<MaZ->it'll be $19.95 like usual :p
11:19<ericoc>but i have Current Balance: $0.05 credit
11:19<jkwood>They'll apply the five cents to my bill, as per my agreement with Linode Inc.
11:19<MaZ->yes but the bill will still be $19.95!
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11:19<HoopyCat>ericoc: try annual pre-pay and a habit of doing make-before-break upgrades
11:19<@jed>ericoc: I can always invoice you for $0.04 and leave you with $0.01, if you want
11:19<@jed>so you can brag about your penny
11:19<ericoc>jed: please do
11:20<ericoc>can the billing system work with half-pennies, that'd be even better
11:20<@jed>I don't feel like getting yelled at today
11:20<@jed>if I get drunk later maybe I'll do it
11:20<@jed>Daevien: well done
11:21<Daevien>i'd go drinking with you jed but it's a bit far to go
11:21<ericoc>i don't even talk to the one guy i referred, he sort of dissapeared from the Internet, i figured he cancelled his linode, but apparently not
11:21<HoopyCat>ericoc: peak credit balance on my account has been $102.72
11:21<ericoc>o.O woah
11:22<HoopyCat>ericoc: pro-rated refund for unused portion of a year :-)
11:22<Daevien>i don't even have my referral code anywhere and forget there is one most of hte time
11:22<Daevien>i've referred a few people that bought nodes though and didnt' even use the code heh
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11:30<anveo>Anyone use the arno-iptables-firewall package? (
11:31<MaZ->didnt work for me O_o
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11:31<anveo>The guide suggests setting the private interface as eth0:0, but iptables doesn't allow aliases I believe
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11:31<MaZ->i ended up just using ufw ¬_¬
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11:33<linbot>New news from forums: VPS (almost-)virgin making plans in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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11:34<drecute>i will like to route my network via VPN
11:35<drecute>my setup is here
11:35<drecute>is clues please
11:36<karstensrage>when signing up how do you select a datacenter?
11:38<drecute>can i get some help
11:38<jkwood>It's done somewhere during the process - not voodoo hidden magic either.
11:38<jkwood>drecute: What is your specific problem?
11:39<drecute>jkwood: my network is not routing through VPN
11:39<jkwood>Did you follow a specific guide?
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11:43<jkwood>Have you done the configuration client-side?
11:43<drecute>jkwood: yep
11:43<agentbleubleu>can anyone recommend a PCI DSS penetrating co
11:44<jkwood>What make you think that it's not working?
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11:44<agentbleubleu>im looking at they charge 250 euros a year, is this good, bad, or norm?
11:44<drecute>jkwood: my ipaddress is still pointing to my client
11:45<drecute>jkwood: i'm expecting my client ip to point to that of my linode
11:45<TimothyA>they have to pay the costs to conduct it somehow
11:46<jkwood>And you're checking it how?
11:46<TimothyA>i guess with portscanners, etc
11:46<agentbleubleu>TimothyA are you replying to me?
11:47<TimothyA>i think
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11:47*TimothyA is still waking up
11:47<agentbleubleu>ok cheers
11:47<jkwood>Hmm... then I've run out of ideas, having not set up OpenVPN yet (because I'm a slacker like that.)
11:48<drecute>been on this for over a month now
11:48<drecute>i just hope a messiah would come around
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11:49<atob>Is anybody running a Debian mirror from the London DC?
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11:50<MaZ->stop that
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11:53<drecute>MaZ-: please do you have a clue on what to do?
11:54<MaZ->make raindance to the VPN god
11:55<Karrde>use Windows
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11:56<drecute>Karrde: how do u mean
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12:09<ferik>hi guys, if I buy a second linode today, where will it be ?
12:10<linbot>Dianoga: Linode360 - 342, Linode540 - 177, Linode720 - 146, Linode1080 - 83, Linode1440 - 62, Linode2880 - 18
12:10<atob>ferik: That's a philosophical question.
12:11<atob>ferik: You can choose which DC you want it deployed.
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12:14<anveo>Can anyone provide me with an iptable rule that would allow any traffic on the 192.168.x.0/24 network?
12:15<@jed>in what chain and in what table?
12:15<atob>iptables -A INPUT -s -j ALLOW
12:15<atob>for INPUT
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12:15<atob>ACCEPT, not ALLOW
12:16<@jed>is the policy of the chain ACCEPT or DROP, is the last rule on the chain a DROP (making atob's not work), etc
12:16<anveo>atob: thanks, that's actually what I made so my problem must be somewhere else :)
12:16<@jed>do you have the standard RELATED/ESTABLISHED, INVALID, -i lo stanza at the top
12:16<@jed>anveo: pastebin: iptables --line-numbers -nvL
12:17<erikh>i'm all out of joke fuel
12:17<erikh>maybe I need some of this
12:17<anveo>jed: I have related/establed, one sec on the paste
12:17<erikh> Rate: 1704.9 KB/s
12:17*erikh curses X
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12:22<atob>What behavious are you seeing, anveo?
12:23<atob>Packets being dropped?
12:23<anveo>atob: actually it might be working now, testing some things
12:23<atob>nc is your friend
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12:27<atob>Hi, npcomplete.
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12:29<karstensrage>if this is a linode node how in the world would it ever see 192.168?
12:29<erikh>slackware [^\?]+?
12:29<erikh>bah. I'll figure it out eventually.
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12:31<bliblok>karstensrage: The DC-local network.
12:32<Yaakov>karstensrage: My node has an address
12:32<Yaakov>karstensrage: You can get a LAN-only private address using the Linode dashboard. It is unmetered.
12:35<anveo>atob: ya, packets are being dropped
12:35<anveo>atob: I have snmp running and can't access it from the other server on my private network
12:36<HoopyCat>anveo: which datacenter are you in?
12:37<anveo>HoopyCat: dallas
12:38<HoopyCat>anveo: if you were in newark, i'd volunteer to try it from here to bisect the problem a bit
12:38<linbot>HoopyCat: [mtr] 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.6ms
12:39<HoopyCat>huh, that does work. sweet.
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12:52<drecute>after a month, i can now vpn
12:52*atob hacks drecute's vpn
12:53<drecute>atob: enjoy
12:53<atob>It's full of tribbles. :(
12:55<drecute>atob: u mean troubles?
12:55<randallman>tribbles ;)
12:56<atob>mikegrb: is a lolbot
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12:56<inklesspen>any problems in fremont?
12:56<drecute>thanks to
12:56<inklesspen>can't ping my linode on fremont43
12:57<atob>drecute: I use tinc, because I need mesh routing.
12:57<inklesspen>but I can ping fremont43 itself
12:58<@mikegrb>zomg hai 2 u atob
12:58<atob>zomg hai mikegrb
12:58<drecute>atob: what linux flavour
12:58<jess^>ZOMG. HAI2U MIKEGRB
12:58<atob>drecute: Debian Squeeze (cherry flavoured)
12:59<inklesspen>and I can connect with lish
12:59<atob>Tres Anglais.
12:59<inklesspen>this is very weird
12:59<drecute>atob: i dont know. I only know Fedora core that well
12:59<atob>Ah, I don't know Fedora.
13:00<atob>When I close my eyes, I see red swirls.
13:00<MaZ->inklesspen: firewall? :V
13:00<atob>Sometimes I wear a Debian T-shirt to work.
13:02<inklesspen>MaZ-: doesn't seem to be the case
13:02<inklesspen>I do run denyhosts, but my current IP doesn't appear in /etc/hosts.deny or iptables-save
13:04<inklesspen>I'll try to get a different ip anyway
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13:08<linbot>New news from forums: Question on location/contents of SOA record/zone file in Linux Networking <>
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13:23<ferik>atob: where do you choose where the linode will be deployed ?
13:23<Daevien>when you create the node it will ask you
13:24<ferik>Daevien: thank you
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13:24<Daevien>it's like the 2nd step i think, first is what size
13:24<Daevien>or maybe evne vice versa
13:25<ferik>one more question. On my linode (debian 4) I have had issues where suddenly the linode becomes unreachable. As if it was deadlocked on something and all slowed down to a crawl. I can't find anything relevant in my logs. Anything special you'd advise me to look at ?
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13:25<Daevien>did you look at the lish console when i twas crashed?
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13:35<ferik>Daevien: no, is the info on the lish console on a log somewhere ?
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13:44<Daevien>the lish console is on the website afte ryou login and select the node
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13:45<Daevien>it's like having the server local & hooking up a monitor & keyboard basically
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13:46<DyadyaZed>hello! Can anybody help to configure nsd3 DNS?
13:48<ericoc>DyadyaZed: might help
13:48<Daevien>bah, beat me heh
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13:49<mdcollins_>gah, why did my work sign a contract with megapath, $3000 for 3 years at an address.. meaning if we move, they have to pay the 1st contract off, then start a 2nd..
13:49<mdcollins_>oh and charge us $500... >_<
13:49<HoopyCat>mdcollins_: $3000/mo?
13:49<mdcollins_>err $3000 for 3 years
13:50<mdcollins_>yeah, but they did it for each address, not each remote rep..
13:50<DyadyaZed>ericoc: I've already done that. Any subdomains resolved into IP address, but not domain itself without any www. etc
13:50*HoopyCat spent way too much time huffing $bigpipe fumes
13:51<ericoc>DyadyaZed: i've never used nsd myself, but i'm sure someone here can help
13:51<HoopyCat>DyadyaZed: pastebin your zone file?
13:51<pharaun>I have used NSD myself
13:51<pharaun>nothing "complicated"
13:52<HoopyCat>i use NSD, but for nothing "simple"
13:53<DyadyaZed>Here is pastebin
13:53<pharaun>HoopyCat: >_>, would using NSD for 1 zone w/ a few forwarding config be considered "simple" ? :)
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13:55<DyadyaZed>What is the wildcard symbol for any other subdomains?
13:55<DyadyaZed>I tried * but no luck
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13:56<fapestniegd>DyadyaZed: in a zone file? @
13:56<HoopyCat>DyadyaZed: add " IN A"
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13:57<HoopyCat>DyadyaZed: (and increment serial number, and nsdc rebuild && sleep 3 && nscd reload)
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13:58<HoopyCat>* is "technically" not a "wildcard", which i believe is the excuse the RFC uses for it not matching an empty hostname
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13:59<DyadyaZed>HoopyCat: where to add "IN A "? at the beginning after SOA record or at the end?
13:59<Ahmed>What kind of image is provided for CentOS by Linode?
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13:59<Ahmed>a few packages are missing, like "whois" and "locate"
13:59<Ahmed>is this like a super minimal install?
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13:59<HoopyCat>Ahmed: the most bare-bones install possible, generally. yum install whois, yum install locate, etc
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14:00<HoopyCat>DyadyaZed: i'd cuddle it up next to the line 16 MX record
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14:01<HoopyCat>DyadyaZed: as long as it's after the $ORIGIN and $TTL lines, it's technically ok, so it's mostly aesthetics.
14:02<HoopyCat>!wx kroc
14:02<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 75.2F/24C, visibility 10 miles, wind 4.60 mph (altimeter: 29.97) [KROC 011754Z VRB04KT 10SM BKN250 24/05 A2997 RMK AO2 SLP150 T02390050 10244 20056 58016 ]
14:03<DyadyaZed>HoopyCat: ok, thank you very much! I thought that line "* IN A " is a wildcard for any subdomain and domain without www.
14:04<HoopyCat>oh man, i wish i didn't have an exam at 1730. i think someone has modulated an AM signal on the power line such that the beer fridge's compressor is rectifying a soft voice saying "drink me"
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14:04<FireSlash`Work>Do the load averages listed on xen nodes show it for your node, or the host?
14:04<mdcollins_>lol, good excuse to drink!
14:04<HoopyCat>DyadyaZed: nope; that would be too easy. for $ORIGIN, * IN A will match, but not nor
14:04<FireSlash`Work>not sure how I'm getting 1.6 when top is pretty barren
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14:05<HoopyCat>!rfc 4592
14:05<linbot>HoopyCat: RFC 4592: The Role of Wildcards in the Domain Name System. E. Lewis. July 2006. (Updates RFC1034, RFC2672) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) -
14:05<TheJoe>If I needed more than 10 days to get the money in the bank, think Linode'd be understanding about that?
14:05<Ahmed>fyi, HoopyCat. yum install whois && yum install locate won't find anything to install.
14:05<Ahmed>do I need a certain repo for either?
14:06<HoopyCat>DyadyaZed: that RFC is more than you'd ever want to know about it
14:06<HoopyCat>FireSlash`Work: it is for your node; pastebin ps auxwww && free -m && vmstat 1 5 ?
14:06<TheJoe>Ahmed: Try "yum install whois locate". I don't think you should need two commands there
14:06<@tasaro>TheJoe: you'd never know without opening a ticket ;)
14:06<linbot>HoopyCat: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
14:06<HoopyCat>TheJoe: ^---
14:06<DyadyaZed>HoopyCat: Ahh, that magic RFC number ;). Thanks I found interesting reading for tonight
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14:06<TheJoe>HoopyCat: That's remarkably appropriate
14:07<Ahmed>TheJoe: thing is, yumcan't find either
14:07<Ahmed>No package whois available.
14:07<Ahmed>No package locate available.
14:07<Ahmed>Nothing to do
14:07<HoopyCat>Ahmed: you've run "yum update", right?
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14:07*HoopyCat has no idea where centos keeps this stuff
14:07<TheJoe>tasaro: Good point.
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14:07<HoopyCat>Ahmed: if centos has something like you can work from there to find the package name
14:09<HoopyCat>FireSlash`Work: huh, looks pretty normal to me. try tapping the glass on the load average meter a few times; maybe the needle is stuck
14:09<FireSlash`Work>Any suggestions for slimming down the ram profile?
14:09<Ahmed>HoopyCat: CentOS stated that they are basic distro packages...
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14:10<Ahmed>another question
14:10<HoopyCat>FireSlash`Work: you've got about 200MB to spare; i'd say you're pretty slim
14:10<Ahmed>does linode provide an image that is NOT linode modified?
14:11<@caker>they all are NOT modified, other than console device and fstab
14:11<FireSlash`Work>HoopyCat, 41 in swap though.
14:11<@pparadis>Ahmed: try "yum install jwhois"
14:11<@mikegrb>mmm cake
14:11<Battousai>and the hidden cake
14:11<Ahmed>mmm that worked
14:11<Ahmed>how about "locate" ;P
14:12<@pparadis>teh goog probably knows ;)
14:12<@pparadis>hey, i gave ya whois
14:12<Ahmed>I wish you guys had a freebsd image
14:12<FireSlash`Work>Debian is the master OS :P
14:12<@pparadis>debian > *
14:12<Ahmed>FreeBSD > *
14:13<HoopyCat>FireSlash`Work: that's its perogative; it might as well use the RAM for something useful :-)
14:13<HoopyCat>APRIL HACKER CHALLENGE: a stackscript that installs FreeBSD
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14:14<FireSlash`Work>I am however curious what OS the hosts run
14:14*pparadis ducks
14:14<@pparadis>the kind with GNU software
14:14<TheJoe>Well there's a ticket filed. Fingers are crossed so much they're numb
14:14*pparadis runs
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14:15<jess^>HoopyCat: don't tempt me, i'll find some way to do it
14:15<HoopyCat>FireSlash`Work: yggdrasil
14:15<Ahmed>that was a gay song
14:15<@pparadis>jess^: no
14:15<HoopyCat>jess^: i'm trying to tempt someone to do it
14:15<randallman>is that still around? :p
14:15<Ahmed>by a gay band
14:15<@pparadis>hanson < *
14:16<jess^>pparadis: ++
14:16<Ahmed>pparadis I agree
14:16<Ahmed>I strongly agree
14:16<FireSlash`Work>wasn't the last yggdrasil release back in 95? :P
14:16<HoopyCat>by demorgans, not hanson > not *
14:16<randallman>The last release of Yggdrasil was in 1995.
14:16<randallman>as per wop
14:16<jess^>in fact, i'm going to try to get freebsd onto a linode right now
14:16<randallman>err WP
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14:16<HoopyCat>jess^: remember, stackscript
14:17<jess^>HoopyCat: yeah, i know.
14:17<jess^>HoopyCat: but in order to write a script, i have to do it myself
14:17<jess^>once i know all the ins and outs of making it work, i can automate it
14:17<HoopyCat>jess^: nod... just reminding you of the deliverables
14:17<randallman>p.s. I tried ubuntu 9.10 on an Old OLD PIII 650 w/256MB and a S3 Virge card...
14:17<randallman>The video is *AFU*
14:17<jess^>HoopyCat: thanks for giving me a weekend project
14:18<randallman>and the console doesnt even work since the console is now no longer std text mode
14:18<randallman>by default on ubuntu
14:18<randallman>anyone know off hand where I change that?
14:18<HoopyCat>jess^: :-)
14:18<jess^>mikegrb: you have no fucking idea how annoying the auto-lol is.
14:18<randallman>sometime after upstart starts, it switches the console from 80x25 to something... else
14:18<randallman>that the video card cant support
14:18<HoopyCat>jess^: actually, i believe he does know
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14:22<@mikegrb>jess^: thankfully, it's less annoying than the people that overuse lol
14:23<jess^>i try to use 'heh' in place of lol
14:23<jess^>HEY WAIT
14:23<jess^>you don't trigger your own script.
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14:28<apeiron>jess^, I use rofl but that still triggers it. :(
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14:31<jess^>apeiron: hey hon@!
14:31<jess^>how are you?
14:31*apeiron is well
14:31<jess^>i'm okay.
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14:31<jess^>i was sad earlier because this guy i like is getting deployed overseas again and i don't know when i'll see him again.
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14:31<apeiron>doh. sucks.
14:35<jess^> laughing my head off
14:42<apeiron>Just as boring as the series. =
14:44<jess^>i loved it
14:44<jess^>some of the episodes were real tearjerkers.
14:44<karstensrage>what a wuss
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14:47<karstensrage>i hated TNG
14:47<karstensrage>the only good one was where Picard lived a whole life
14:50<randallman>Bah, TNG was awesome.
14:52<TheJoe>Linode were indeed very understanding
14:53*TheJoe blows kisses to caker
14:53<karstensrage>do tell
14:54<TheJoe>Money troubles. Explained the situation, got plenty of support regarding the survival of the 'node
14:54<TheJoe>Give that to any megacorp and they'll tell you to piss off
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14:55<jcy>are you that guy w/ the cs:s servers
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14:57<Solver>yes megacorps are heartless
14:57<cocalite_>Hi, can anyone give me a promo code?
14:58<drewr>cocalite_: pay for 24 months in advance
14:58<drewr>easy 15% off
14:58<cocalite_>drewr: Would love to, but budget doesnt allow.
14:59<Solver>infact it has been seriously argued by psychologists that large corporations are psychopathic
14:59<karstensrage>i think most everyone is a sociopath
14:59<jcy>i would believe sociopathic but not psychopathic
14:59<Solver>karstensrage: I don't think so. There are strong evolutionary presures to cooperate in our species
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15:00<karstensrage>Solver: are you in the US?
15:00<Solver>no I am not :)
15:00<Solver>but I know a lot of americans and have visited many times
15:00<karstensrage>yeah, im not seeing much cooperation here
15:01<Solver>in a crisis the evidence is that strangers tend to work together because they instinctively believe it is beneficial - enlightened self interest
15:01<fapestniegd>the fact we're not all killing each other with machetes and setting up tribal warlords goes a long way...
15:02<fapestniegd>that seems to be the default state when there is no society
15:02<karstensrage>i think they have just gotten better at killing us so slow we dont notice
15:02*Solver read once how communities up to about 300 members don't need formalised government
15:02<fapestniegd>and we do it elsewhere
15:02<jcy>it's a balance between collaboration and competition. you collaborate w/ a select group of people, if that's an option, in order to compete with another group of people
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15:02<karstensrage>and dont make me laugh about tribal warlords
15:02<Solver>it's about how many people an individual can remember well
15:02<Solver>above that some form of structure is needed
15:02<karstensrage>they have just renamed themselves to CEO's
15:02<fapestniegd>tribal warlords == corporations
15:03<Solver>I read a good argument a few years ago that the modern business world is feudal
15:03<Solver>that seemed to fit
15:03<SelfishMan>I collaborate with urmom and compete with urdad
15:04<fapestniegd>yeah, but to compare the way CEOs screw us over to the way the equivalent in afgahnistahn would is probably unfair
15:04<Solver>yes they are heavily constrained by the rule of law
15:04<Solver>which is one of the reasons why it is so important to retain the rule of law
15:04<karstensrage>heavily restrained screwing over
15:04<fapestniegd>because the foundation of society is law, so as long as they can manipulate the law to legalize it *before* killing you...
15:04<Solver>karstensrage: :)
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15:05<Solver>for all that modern western society has problems, it's probably the most stable law abiding civilisation that has ever existed
15:06<fapestniegd>plus, as long as it's *my* "tribe" killing *yours*...
15:06<fapestniegd>Solver: (read: "the best we can expect from hairless apes")
15:06*Solver makes a note
15:07<Solver>this isn't to say that we can't do a lot better
15:07<randallman>I prefer the star trek political system :)
15:07<Solver>tell me where to sign up :)
15:07<randallman>'We no longer crave power and food because all of that stuff is free... so we do for eachother because we *want* to'
15:07<fapestniegd>randallman: if we had effectively infinite energy and food replicators, you'd have that.
15:07<randallman>It would be amazing if we have all of the worlds power/food problems solved :)
15:07<karstensrage>they rarely showed civilian life of the federation
15:08<Solver>yes our entire civilisation and economy is based on the idea that we never have as much energy as we want
15:08<randallman>Karstensrage, but the assertion was that everyone lived fulfilling lives doing what they wanted to :)
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15:08<karstensrage>oh yeah
15:08<fapestniegd>heck, I'm a geek, I do that anyways.
15:08<Solver>if we do end up with (effectively) unlimited energy I hope we introduce is _slowly_
15:08<randallman>Like that movie
15:08<randallman>Chain Reaction
15:08<Solver>a sudden introduction of unlimited energy would collapse the economy
15:09<fapestniegd>wait? you'll *pay* me to come up with elegant solutions to complex problems!?!
15:09<fapestniegd>I was doing it for free, in my spare time!
15:09<randallman>They pay me to come up with solutions
15:09<randallman>rarely are they elegant because of thier requirements :)
15:09<Solver>the thing is that big fusion reactor in the sky puts out a lot of juice
15:09<fapestniegd>randallman: we've had this conversation, you work for a large corp. that's the price.
15:09<fapestniegd>you trade creative control for all the cool toys
15:09<randallman>fapestniegd :) Im on repeat, sorry :)
15:10<fapestniegd>I do it too. no worries.
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15:10<fapestniegd>I managed to find a shop with 12 IT employees that forked out for ESX,all cisco network, and a clarrion.
15:10<fapestniegd>moderately cool toys, no politics
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15:11<Solver>could they afford to pay anyone?
15:11<Solver>esp on the clarrion
15:11<fapestniegd>just under six figures here :)
15:11<randallman>ooh clariion
15:11<Solver>fapestniegd: hahaha :)
15:12<fapestniegd>I mean, it's not a sym, which we had when I was the Sr. linux Architect at Asurion, but I couldn't deal with the politics anymore.
15:12<Solver>I'm planning to return to contracting as I've done in the past
15:12<Solver>the GFC held me up :)
15:13<Solver>no politics as a contractor
15:13<apeiron> \o/
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15:13<fapestniegd>to top it off, I told them all the noise in the IT area kept me from concentrating, they put a desk in a telco closet that requires badge access and allowed me to remove the phone from my desk in favor of the private irc server I set up...
15:13<jcy>i recently returned a damaged sprint phone for a warranty replacement, is it the same asurion
15:13<fapestniegd>I've been here two years, never been happier.
15:14<fapestniegd>Asurion is horrible.
15:14<fapestniegd>they have contracts that forbid all the contracting/hiring firms in town from poaching thier IT staff
15:15<fapestniegd>so once they have you, you have to step off the ledge into unemployment to leave, because that's the only time anyone will talk to you...
15:15<jcy>that sounds vaguely illegal
15:15<fapestniegd>and the Nashville tech scene isn't really that large.
15:16<Solver>fapestniegd: oh they have contracts with the other companies? ouch
15:16<fapestniegd>jcy: see previous comments about corporations == tribal warlords
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15:16<cocalite_>Anyone got a linode promo code?
15:16<Solver>yes it may well be illegal to do that
15:16<jcy>i don't believe they exist
15:16<jcy>put in "cakerrules" and see what happens
15:17<Solver>in many countries you cannot sign away the right to work in an area where you hold expertise
15:17<Solver>so non-compete clauses are not enforable in some countries
15:17<fapestniegd>Solver: yeah I got two friends trapped there now. They get a call at least once a week from a recruiter. "Are you currently still with Asurion? Oh, you are? Ok, we can't talk to you then." *click*
15:17<Solver>jcy: they should put an easter-egg in
15:17<jcy>or an april fool's maybe to be more timely :-P
15:17<tjfontaine>urmoms an easter egg
15:18<Solver>jcy: :)
15:18<fapestniegd>Asurion has massive call centers
15:18<cocalite_>jcy: expired :p
15:18<fapestniegd>so they give these contracting firms a lot of business. (leverage)
15:18<Solver>ah ic
15:18<fapestniegd>follow the moneyz
15:18<Solver>poach from us and we won't talk to you again
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15:19<randallman>Yall notice how sometimes pandora REALLY takes you down a rabbithole of songs that are wholely unrelated to anything you have specified on a given channel?
15:19<fapestniegd>the commision they get from a single IT worker is nothing compared to the 200 CSRs
15:19<Komalis4>Who can help me ?
15:19<randallman>Everyone! :p
15:19<Komalis4>I've a probleme with archlinux
15:19<randallman>(or perhaps noone)
15:19<randallman>I cant help with archl;inux :) Never used it
15:19<Komalis4>With the pacman command
15:20<ericoc>i use arch :D i thought i was the only one
15:20<mdcollins_>ill try to help, i use arch linux
15:20<TheJoe>If Linode took PayPal at all, this could all be settled in like 20 minutes
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15:21<Komalis4>No error
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15:23<Komalis4>How can open a port
15:23<Komalis4>With Archlinux ?
15:23<mdcollins_>do you have a firewall installed? by default there isnt one..
15:24<ericoc>well, there's hosts.allow and hosts.deny in arch
15:24<ericoc>D(but they don't seem to do anything on my install)
15:24<Ahmed>but hosts.allow won't close ports, or will it?
15:24<ericoc>hosts.deny will
15:24<ericoc>i think
15:24<randallman>Hosts.allow is a post-connnection
15:24<randallman>no it wont
15:24<Ahmed> ?
15:24<randallman>you can still establish a connection (udp or tcp)
15:24<mdcollins_>you should be able to start the service and just connect up to it..
15:24<randallman>but you may be declined after connecting
15:25<randallman>tcp_wrappers happens after the 3 way, then your IP is checked against the port that is being accessed
15:25<randallman>but this is only if your daemon has libwrap support
15:25<randallman>ldd `which $daemon` | egrep libwrap
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15:26<cocalite_>Promo code anyone? I'm poor.
15:26<cocalite_>I live in the third world.
15:26<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909
15:26<mdcollins_>ill just stick to a firewall if i need one.. much less complicated and it doesnt need libwrap support
15:26<randallman>Generally speaking, iptables is a better IP-based security paradigm than tcp wrappers
15:26<SelfishMan>tcpwrappers is so ghetto and slow
15:26<randallman>tcp wrappers does SOME things tho
15:26<randallman>like verifying fwd/rev dns matches
15:26<randallman>(paranoid mode)
15:27<randallman>and can do interesting things with the TWIST= option
15:27<randallman>But beyond that, iptables > libwrap
15:27<SelfishMan>randallman: I don't know about you, but most of the DSL connections I use don't have forward DNS configured or it doesn't even come close to matching the rDNS
15:27<randallman>Yeah exactly so paranoid isnt really useful these days
15:27<randallman>unless you want to block more people than you thought :)
15:28<SelfishMan>s/paranoid/security by obscurity/
15:28<randallman>for the RHCE
15:28<cocalite_>SelfishMan: this doesnt give me anything
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15:29<randallman>you can pretty much pass the exam using EITHER tcp_wrappers + .htaccess *or* IPTABLES
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15:29<SelfishMan>If you are going to rely on fcrdns then you probably are in a position where limiting access by IP will work
15:29<SelfishMan>cocalite_: sure it does. It gives you free activation.
15:29<randallman>obviously iptables is simpler
15:29<randallman>and you dont have to remember multiple access control mechanisms :)
15:29<SelfishMan>tcpwrappers seems really outdated to me
15:29<randallman>Talk to Weitse
15:30<randallman>apparently he maintain(ed) it
15:30<TheJoe>It's not closing time at Linode Central now, is it? Replies to support tickets are over the average response time right now :<
15:30<SelfishMan>randallman: You don't talk t Weitse. He yells at you.
15:30<TheJoe>Maybe it just seems slow because I'm anxious
15:30<randallman>Bingo :)
15:30<SelfishMan>TheJoe: did you pass the 5 second mark?
15:30<TheJoe>SelfishMan: 15 minutes now
15:31<randallman>What is the Linode SLA for MTTR for a fresh ticket? :P
15:31<randallman>I dont thnik I saw one published :)
15:31<randallman>WARNING: To avoid serious injury, never look directly into an open transceiver port.
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15:31<SelfishMan>I think the official statement is "The ticket will be handled faster than urmom"
15:31<TheJoe>Responses to this ticket have so far been about 5 minutes
15:32<randallman>Se there's the issue with providing good service :)
15:32<randallman>poor expectation level setting :)
15:32<TheJoe>I'm just anxious, really :>
15:33<jcy>i don't think i've ever had a support ticket not get answered beyond 10 minutes. most of them could be measured in less than two minutes response time.
15:35<linbot>New news from forums: London Time Behind? in General Discussion <>
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15:37<SelfishMan>The only response to my tickets I ever see is "urmom wuz here"
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15:41<linbot>New news from forums: Virtualmin setup on Ubuntu 9.10 in General Discussion <>
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15:44<Yaakov>randallman: Thanks to special kernel patches in the machine that handles tickets and PgSQL's support of "time travel", most tickets are closed before you open them and you never know you had the problem.
15:45<randallman>Quantum Ticket Leap
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15:45<TLKit>I <3 You, Yaakov.
15:45<agentbleubleu>when I want to edit IPtables what does one do
15:45<@Perihelion>SelfishMan: That's a perfectly legitimate response, imo.
15:46<SelfishMan>Perihelion: yes it is
15:46<randallman>agentbleubleu, you have a command called iptables-save?
15:46<randallman>it should output a machine parsable (and human readable) file that can be imported by iptablse-restore
15:47<Yaakov>♡ → ∞
15:47<randallman>any more, I just edit my iptables in the output of iptables-save
15:47<SelfishMan>utf fail
15:47<randallman>utf fail FTW!
15:47<randallman>The internet is US ASCII only plzkthx
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15:47<SelfishMan>[box]→ ∞
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15:47<randallman>I cant help it if your language has 1000 some odd symbols to generate written word ;0
15:48<randallman>7 bits is clearly enough
15:48<agentbleubleu>hmm, iptables-save outputs the info, but i still dont see how to edit it
15:48<SelfishMan>randallman: I stopped counting after about 6 bits
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15:48<Yaakov>SelfishMan: It doesn't matter to me if you can read it, you aren't the target.
15:48<randallman>that generates a file generally
15:48<randallman>depending on the Distro
15:48<chesty>!newcalc 7 ** 2
15:48<linbot>chesty: 7 ** 2 = 49
15:48<randallman>in /etc/sysconfig/iptables
15:48<randallman>for RHEL
15:48<Pabli>Hi friends. is there a promo code today_
15:48<Pabli>Hi friends. is there a promo code today?
15:48<chesty>!newcalc 7 ^ 2
15:48<randallman>you can usually run /etc/init.d/iptables save
15:48<linbot>chesty: 7^2 = 49
15:48<randallman>or some such
15:48<randallman>and then edit the file
15:48<randallman>bbias meeting
15:48<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909
15:49*SelfishMan wonders why everyone is after a promo code today
15:49<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909
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15:49<thezach>holy shit batman
15:49<Pabli>SelfishMan: What's free activation?
15:49<SelfishMan>Pabli: You pay the monthly service fee but there won't be a setup fee
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15:50<Yaakov>Pabli: It's a joke. There is no activation fee.
15:50<HoopyCat>does linode have any plans to upgrade their datacenter carpeting in the near future?
15:50<Pabli>Ok, thanks
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15:50<jaythebull>smacks forehead. can't believe i paid an activation fee.
15:50<TLKit>Yaakov: Don't kill the joke </3!
15:51<chesty>i paid an activation fee
15:51<TLKit>It goes into caker's pot jar for his weekly hooker :<.
15:52<agentbleubleu>my rules are in nano /etc/iptables.rules, i can edit and save them with sh -c "iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules" but when i do they revert back to what was there before
15:52<@jed>what's that movie with michael douglas
15:53<HoopyCat>i paid an activation fee too; when i complained, they looked at my account and offered to set me up with a Linode 64 as that's what the setup fee was for :-(
15:53<@jed>where his brother buys him an alternate reality thing to mess with him
15:53<Yaakov>Lost in Space Reloaded: The Awakening II
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15:57<JoeK>can i make a directory "un-deleteable" but fully usable otherwise by its appropriate user?
15:59<agentbleubleu>my iptables is not working right I believe, if i edit the /etc/iptables.rules then iptables-save, it reverts back to the unedited version
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16:03<@jed>agentbleubleu: it backwards.
16:03<HoopyCat>agentbleubleu: iptables-save copies the live in-memory configuration to a file; i think you want iptables-restore
16:03<@jed>iptables-save ... yeah,
16:03<@jed>HoopyCat +1
16:04<HoopyCat>i, for one, use iptables-makeitso and iptables-backitup symlinks
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16:07<oojacoboo>are there any PCI compliant cloud db services?
16:07<agentbleubleu>HoopyCat iptables-restore hangs, then spits iptables-restore: line 2 failed,
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16:09<ericoc>iptables-restore < the-rules-file loads it into memory or whatever
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16:11<HoopyCat>agentbleubleu: did you edit anything in the file between iptables-save'ing into the file and iptables-restore'ing the file?
16:12<jcy>we might be moving to a new office, i wonder how much that carpeting costs. also i'm wondering if that iRobot engineer story was an april fools thing
16:12<agentbleubleu>that last one works thanks ericoc
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16:13<HoopyCat>agentbleubleu: the rules file format isn't necessarily designed for humans to be able to safely edit it; your best bet is to make the change "live" and then iptables-save
16:13<ericoc>agentbleubleu: no problem, `iptables -L` will show you a list of the current rules so you can make sure you loaded the right thing
16:13<ericoc>what hoopycat said too
16:14<agentbleubleu>i see what you mean
16:14<agentbleubleu>so you have to overwrite a rule, then save
16:15<agentbleubleu>so how would you delete this rule: DROP all -- anywhere anywhere
16:16<agentbleubleu>iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT?
16:16<ericoc>there's so many arguments to iptables command, you really have to read --help or the man page
16:16<ericoc>-A appends a rule to a chain
16:16<ericoc>-D deletes, -I inserts
16:17<HoopyCat>iptables -D chain-name-goes-here rule-specification-goes-here... if it's the first rule that shows on iptables -L for that chain, you can do iptables -D chain-name-goes-here 1, i believe (and so forth for the 2nd, 3rd, etcth)
16:17<ericoc>iptables -L --line will show you the line numbers that HoopyCat's referring to
16:17<HoopyCat>oh really? nice
16:18<HoopyCat>well shit a kielbasa, thanks ericoc
16:18<ericoc>haha, were you counting this whole time?
16:18<straterra>Just use shorewall :P
16:18<HoopyCat>ericoc: well, i used the number "1" for a reason
16:18<HoopyCat>ericoc: but if i end up with a number larger than 1, i'll hopefully remember that
16:18<JoeK>can wget "get" directories?
16:19<mdcollins_>wont that work only if there is a directory listing though?
16:19<fapestniegd>it will follow links
16:19<fapestniegd>but won't get things not linked
16:19<straterra>You can use FTP too
16:19<mdcollins_>exactly my point
16:20<fapestniegd>there's no way to mirror something you don't know is there.
16:20<@pparadis>scp does recursive fetching too
16:21<straterra>as does rsync
16:21<mdcollins_>scp will get everything, no matter if its linked to or not.
16:21<fapestniegd>I'm working under the assumption that mdcollins_ doesn't control the target servers here, or did I miss something?
16:21<mdcollins_>unlike wget, it has to be linked to
16:21<mdcollins_>fapestniegd, this is reguards to JoeK's question.
16:22<fapestniegd>but still.
16:22<mdcollins_>i was just trying to be helpful, haha
16:22*pparadis doesn't assume anything
16:22<fapestniegd>if you have control of the target, use rsync and --exclude
16:22<fapestniegd>to get/miss this and that
16:23<linbot>New news from forums: [SOLVED] London Time Behind? in General Discussion <>
16:23<mdcollins_>yeah, depending on his needs.
16:23<fapestniegd>but if it's just some website, he's at the mercy of the site layout
16:23<agentbleubleu>when i iptables -L it shows the rules i want but it still acts as if the old rules are there
16:23<fapestniegd>agentbleubleu: order matters
16:24<fapestniegd>agentbleubleu: if you did a -A, you appended, if you used -I, it "inserts" above
16:24<fapestniegd>so -A to -j ACCEPT does nothing if there is a -j DROP above it
16:24<ericoc>you can -I <number> too, to put it where you want
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16:24<fapestniegd>ericoc yeah.
16:25<fapestniegd>I'm just saying the "iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT" would most likely do nothing with an existing typical ruleset
16:26<fapestniegd>where "iptables -I INPUT -j ACCEPT" effectively nullifies all rules on the INPUT chain
16:26<agentbleubleu>ok, but the iptables -L does not show the drop anymore,
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16:26<fapestniegd>i'm dating myself...
16:26<agentbleubleu>and it still seems to be blocked
16:27<fapestniegd>agentbleubleu: pastebin/
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16:28*fapestniegd looks
16:28<agentbleubleu>this is what i have
16:28<ericoc>accept tcp "host" ???
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16:29<fapestniegd>based on those rules, you have no firewalling up
16:29<fapestniegd>default policies of ACCEPT and the first rule on INPUT is "ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere"
16:29<agentbleubleu>email went dead after i added this,
16:30<jtsage>quick mysql question idea - i have a program i've written, that runs in multiple instances (configurations) using the ever popular prefix_table method to store data in a single database - but, there exists a prefix_config for each of these, and another maintnance part of the package needs to read a value from each of those tables to run - is there a clever-er way of grabing them in a single select statement? my idea right now is some foreach voodoo with a SHO
16:30<jtsage>W TABLES LIKE bit.
16:30<@jed>agentbleubleu: iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT && iptables -P FORWARD DROP && iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT && iptables -F
16:30<@jed>then sit down with the iptables manual before proceeding.
16:31<mdcollins_>problem is the first rule that matches will allow that traffic in.. so the first one saying allow anything will not stop anything.
16:31<fapestniegd>agentbleubleu: I agree with jed.
16:32<@jed>read this cover to cover:
16:32<fapestniegd>agentbleubleu: based on what's there, all the commands you ran after should have done nothing anyway, so flushing everything can't hurt.
16:32<agentbleubleu>i thought the idea was to accept first then block later, thats what i did.
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16:32<@jed>agentbleubleu: there's a chain policy, making your -j DROP at the end unnecessary
16:33<fapestniegd>agentbleubleu: the rules are parsed first-match-wins
16:33<mdcollins_>id either read up on iptables or use a script to do it for you, such as shorewall or firehol.
16:33<fapestniegd>so if the first rule is ACCEPT, all others are ignored.
16:33<@jed>holy crap, that howto is from 2.4?
16:33*jed sighs
16:34<ericoc> isn't too bad
16:34<fapestniegd>agentbleubleu: but in general "default deny" should be the policy, and punch holes for exceptions. #bestpractice
16:35<agentbleubleu>thats what I was using : iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT && iptables -P FORWARD DROP && iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT && iptables -F
16:35<@jed>agentbleubleu: run that and read the manual
16:35<straterra>Shorewall saves me countless hours
16:35<agentbleubleu>i ran, but i was going from that manual to start
16:35<SelfishMan>shorewall seems rather obsolete these days
16:35<@jed>that manual is full of fail
16:35<straterra>SelfishMan: how so?
16:35<@jed>-m conntrack == antiquated
16:36<@jed>the ubuntu howto can safely be discarded
16:36<fapestniegd>straterra it has it's quirks, but once you get your head around it, complex configurations (ipsec vpns) become simpler
16:36<@jed>since it was written ~2006
16:36<ericoc>yeah, actually that manual says to make the input policy "accept" and use a -j drop at the end
16:36<straterra>Does everything I need it to do..blocking, forwarding, nat, tunnels, etc
16:36<straterra>fapestniegd: ipsec was 2 lines for me o.O
16:36<@jed>-A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
16:36<@jed>^ will fail eventually
16:36<@jed>if not now.
16:37<Solver>here is a quick example ruleset I did up
16:37<SelfishMan>i used to use it for everything but distros seem to have forgotten about shorewall
16:37<Solver>geez my cut and paste is broken
16:37<straterra>SelfishMan: thats fine..shorewall doesnt need compiling and installs easily :P
16:37<fapestniegd>I like shorewall because it's in the base centos and the base lenny (read: I don't have to go gather crap)
16:38<agentbleubleu>so whats a noob do when he wants to open a few ports and block a few ips?
16:38<mdcollins_>SelfishMan, yeah, arch linux didnt have shorewall, but they did have firehol..
16:38<SelfishMan>it doesn't need compiling but i've found packages where it chokes during init
16:38<@jed>SelfishMan: it assumes netfilter is compiled as a module, I've seen
16:38<mdcollins_>well, didnt have shorewall in their official repository.
16:38<@jed>god forbid someone put netfilter in the kernel
16:38<Solver>here I typed it out
16:39<SelfishMan>agentbleubleu: format c: /autotest
16:39<SelfishMan>jed: sounds about right
16:39<@jed>Solver: you aren't handling -m state --state INVALID
16:39<@jed>I receive ~500 of those packets a day on one system
16:40<@jed>your ruleset would allow
16:40<Solver>jed: I have a few things I want to add to that example. good idea thanks
16:40<Solver>the main idea is to illistrate chains, etc
16:41<@jed>I can recite mine from memory:
16:41<@jed>-A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
16:41<@jed>-A INPUT -m state --state INVALID -j DROP
16:41<Solver>so many people don't realise how useful chains are
16:41<@jed>-A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
16:41<@jed>-N {TCP,UDP}
16:41<@jed>-A INPUT -p tcp -j TCP
16:41<Solver>well planned chains cut down rule complexity and processing time
16:41<@jed>-A INPUT -p udp -j UDP
16:41<@jed>-A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT
16:41<@jed>-P INPUT DROP
16:42<@jed>after the first two, every packet is guaranteed to be state NEW
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16:43<agentbleubleu>i dont see where you allow port 80, 443, mail, ssh etc?
16:43<@jed>agentbleubleu: because that's only my preamble
16:43<agentbleubleu>whats that mean
16:44<@jed>A preamble is an introductory and explanatory statement in a document that explains the document's purpose and underlying philosophy.
16:44<@jed>it's the beginning, not the whole thing
16:44<@pparadis>in the beginning, there was a packet
16:44<@jed>on my firewall box at home I have a lot of stuff in -t nat as well as several extra chains
16:44<Solver>I often send INPUT & FORWARD together to an ACCOUNTING chain and deal with them together after that
16:46<@jed>another mistake I see in Ubuntu's IptablesHowTo
16:46<Solver>what's that?
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16:46<@jed>to stop the firewall they do: iptables -F && iptables -P {INPUT,FORWARD,OUTPUT} ACCEPT
16:46<@jed>but on different lines
16:46<@jed>if your INPUT policy is DROP, after you type iptables -F, nice knowing you
16:46<Solver>you better have been connected via a screen session
16:47<Solver>on the firewall
16:47*Solver always does senstive sysadmin work via screen to protect against a disconnection fscking some important command
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16:48<FireSlash`Work>So, the xkcd site has some kind of unix shell thing going on, right?
16:48<FireSlash`Work>I was bored and typed in the classic fork bomb
16:49<FireSlash`Work>Either by code handling or bad design, it's been "working" for a whle now....
16:49<mdcollins_>the site is still responsive.. so i dunno
16:50<FireSlash`Work>Probably just bugged out on the ajax call
16:50<@jed>guest@xkcd:/$ sudo
16:50<@jed>sudo what?
16:50<@jed>guest@xkcd:/$ sudo make me a sandwich
16:50<FireSlash`Work>Still, amusing.
16:51<FireSlash`Work>type look
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16:54<randallman>Solver, problem is screen breaks xterm/rxvt/gnome-term/whatever scrollback :)
16:54<randallman>so I do some stuff in screen, some not p
16:55<Bohemian>how do i get a referal code for someone to sign up?
16:55<@pparadis>from your profile page
16:55<tjfontaine>Bohemian: you give them mine
16:55<@pparadis>or that
16:56<__Randall>FireSlash`Work: No bugs, no bad design, no ajax call.
16:56<__Randall>There's not actually any bash shell under that. It's all javascript.
16:56-!-__Randall is now known as Randall
16:57<Randall><-- since this wasn't stopping me from hilighting on "randallman"
16:57<FireSlash`Work>Ah, then there's simply a catch for it
16:57<Randall>Otherwise it just wouldn't do anything.
16:57<FireSlash`Work>Could be escaping issue
16:57<FireSlash`Work>but you're probably right
16:57<Randall>But just like with 'sudo rm -rf /', it's nice to let people think it's broken
16:57<FireSlash`Work>considering th number of random stuff that's implemented
16:57<Randall>er, to think they've broken it
16:58<bd_>Randall: I was disappointed that echo * didn't work (ie, return *) after sudo rm -rf / :)
16:59<Randall>bd_: When enough of the disk goes, crazy things like that happen.
16:59<@jed>Randall: nice touch with 'sudo make me a sandwich', btw
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16:59<bd_>Randall: Nah, echo's a shell builtin
16:59<Randall>Ever pulled a drive out of a running machine and then tried to browse around?
16:59<@jed>yes. :]
16:59<@jed>while chanting "hold on, disk cache!"
16:59<bd_>Randall: and the shell will keep running since rm only unlinks files, rather than actually deleting their contents.
16:59<Randall>bd_: I mean, in my experience various things just stop responding.
17:00<Randall>But I don't actually know in the rm case.
17:00<Randall>I suppose you're right.
17:00<bd_>Randall: Perhaps, but if you're sitting at a text or serial console, you can use this still. There are various anecdotes about using such tricks to recover from a partial rm -rf / without having to reboot
17:00<Randall>But on the other hand, "dir" is certainly not a shell builtin, but we implemented it like one :)
17:00<Randall>ditto for "go north"
17:00<bd_>Randall: Well, dir is often a shell alias, which is pretty much the same wrt rm -rf
17:00<bd_>well, apart from shelling out to ls
17:01<bd_>by which I mean, dir is a shell builtin that calls ls. Or something :)
17:01<Randall>Okay, but you'll have to agree that very few shell implementations respond to "asl".
17:01<bd_>I suppose.
17:01<FireSlash`Work>guest@xkcd:/$ asl
17:01<FireSlash`Work>2/AMD64/Server Rack
17:01<Randall>Or maybe I've just never tried hitting on Bash.
17:01<Randall>FireSlash`Work: There are a bunch of other ones, too, iirc.
17:01<bd_>Randall: I dunno, zsh is more my type.
17:02<randallman>Sorry Randall :)
17:02<randallman>There's so few of us really
17:02<randallman>comparatively speaking :)
17:02*Randall gets back to work learning databases
17:02<randallman>its far more rare to run into namespace colissions :)
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17:03<fapestniegd>guest@xkcd:/$ make me a sandwich
17:04<FireSlash`Work>sudo :P
17:04<randallman>make whoopie? :P
17:04<randallman>that should be good for something :0
17:04<FireSlash`Work>aslo try goto 10 :3
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17:17<agentbleubleu>v strange, I have cleared out the iptables completly, rebooted the server even, yet them old rules are still acting as if in. Yet they are not saved anywhere now.
17:18<pwnguin>time to #wordpress recommmending chmod 777: 5 seconds
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17:18<randallman>that's awesome
17:18<pwnguin>time to pwnguin being banned for saying 'fuck 777': 6 seconds
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17:19<pwnguin>i was going to ask that channel if g+s was common for theme uploads, but clearly their opinion should be discounted
17:20<pwnguin>maybe I'll ask here; it's a saner bunch
17:20<agentbleubleu>this is what i have now, but I have all the ports blocked and IPs etc from the prior settings
17:20<pwnguin>faculty is complaining that themes he uploaded can't be changed in the WP theme editor; says permission denied
17:20<agentbleubleu>my iptables has 2 brains
17:20<linbot>New news from forums: Running small web-hosting on linode in General Discussion <>
17:21<pwnguin>am i crazy to chmod g+s the theme directory so that it gets the group and rw perms he requires?
17:21<randallman>setfacl -d -m o:wrx $DIR
17:21<randallman>damn Im late on that
17:21<randallman>forgot to press return
17:22<pwnguin>how's that differ frmo setting the sticky bit on a directory?
17:22<randallman>setfacl -d means the default acl's on subsequent files are created with that ACL
17:22<randallman>in that dir
17:22<randallman>-d is only relevant on directories
17:22<randallman>setfacl -d -m o:wrx z
17:23<randallman>then touch z/bar; getfacl z/bar
17:23<randallman>the X isnt there cause its not a dir
17:23<randallman>Oh wait, I forgot to mount this vol w/ ACL support :)
17:23<randallman>oh well
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17:23<pwnguin>yea, ubuntu doesn't ship with acls by default
17:23<pwnguin>since there's no GUI
17:23<randallman>acl's were a great idea
17:24<randallman>but the implementation is obsecure at best
17:24<randallman>since all you see is a + in ls -l
17:24<randallman>if there's ACLs
17:24<agentbleubleu>how can I totally reset my iptables as even though its empty now its acting on past rules
17:24<randallman>iptables -F
17:24<deejoe>ACLs are the sort of thing that lead to people running Windows with Admin privileges all the time.
17:24<randallman>that dosent reset any default policies
17:25<randallman>if you added a default DENY to say, input
17:25<@jed>for chain in INPUT FORWARD OUTPUT; do iptables -P $chain ACCEPT; done; iptables -F
17:25<randallman>do not run iptables -F :0
17:25<randallman>yeah jed's got it :)
17:25<pwnguin>ACLs are far better than UNIX permissions in expression
17:25<deejoe>"hmm. Either I can figure out this N-dimensional Venn diagram or I can say 'frack it' and just dispense with it all"
17:25<randallman>But the implementation just failld
17:25<deejoe>pwnguin: see also "worse is better"
17:26<agentbleubleu>i ran iptables -
17:26<agentbleubleu>whats that done then
17:27<agentbleubleu>-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'
17:28<randallman>well you flushed all rules
17:28<randallman>iptables -F flushes all chains of rules
17:28<@jed>agentbleubleu: you forgot something
17:28<randallman>it doesnt remove chains, or set default action for chains
17:28<pwnguin>i know how to use and set up ACLs
17:28<@jed>copy + paste
17:29<karstensrage>why would one want multiple ips?
17:29<randallman>Jed, any word from Xmission? :P
17:29<randallman>Not that I *really* care
17:29<karstensrage>on one node?
17:29<@jed>randallman: should have reminded me this morning :)
17:29<pwnguin>but i dont feel like taking the server down just because a professor of web design doesn't know how to change unix permissions
17:29<randallman>karstensrage - SSL
17:29<@jed>randallman: I'll e-mail shortly
17:29<@pparadis>pwnguin: if he doesn't know how to change unix permissions, he's doubly screwed on ACLs
17:29<karstensrage>randallman: ? ssl?? that uses a port 443 not an ip?
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17:29<agentbleubleu>that worked :P
17:29<randallman>Karsetnsrage, until someone modifies HTTP to allow STARTTLS (or something similar)
17:29<randallman>Karstensrage, if you want to host more than one SSL website with different certs
17:29<@pparadis>pwnguin: also, why is someone teaching a course like that without a basic knowledge of unix permissions?
17:30<randallman>you need 1 IP per website.
17:30<karstensrage>oh really?
17:30<pwnguin>pparadis: because we're cheap
17:30<randallman>Ithink soemone's working on a STARTTLS-like interface
17:30<DariusD>hey all, I'm just getting started with Linode (first time trying to administer my own stuff) and having a weird problem
17:30<randallman>where the browser basically says 'This is the site I want, please initiate TLS'
17:30<pwnguin>pparadis: asking questions like that is a fast way to become fired
17:30<randallman>then once crypto comes up, it'll do the normal HTTP thing
17:31<DariusD>I moved over a few domains fine, but for one domain, the root domain ( works correctly, but still points to my old host
17:31<@pparadis>pwnguin: that's sad
17:31<pwnguin>pparadis: you can thank the union in part
17:31<DariusD>the nameservers are updated and the DNS Manager records all look correct - any idea what might cause that?
17:31<pwnguin>im support staff, not instructional
17:31<randallman>pparadis, academia has tons of bottom feeders that know literally nothinga bout what they teach :0
17:31<@pparadis>oh, i'm aware
17:31<randallman>especially in the non-traditional 4 year school zone
17:31<randallman>like strayer/uphx/etc..
17:31<randallman>Strayer, you only need a MS to teach
17:31<pwnguin>the good news is the guy is FTT
17:32<pwnguin>randallman: somehow i dont think a PhD in interactive media requires any more knowledge of UNIX
17:32<pwnguin>FTT = full time temp
17:32<randallman>PhD in interactive media?
17:32<randallman>that a freekin marketing degree :0
17:32<pwnguin>randallman: you tell me what the terminal degree is
17:32<@pparadis>i suppose folks like that shouldn't bother with algebra either...
17:33<agentbleubleu>jed its still not deleted the old rules
17:34<pwnguin>Master of Science Journalism and Mass Communications
17:34<randallman>I have a masters in bation :P
17:36<randallman>o/~ I sure could use a vacation from this... 4 ship, 3 ring, circus... side show... o/~
17:36<pwnguin>oh, this too good to pass up
17:36<pwnguin>"I directed the Digital Media Center and all computer labs distributed throughout the Art and Design building, with annual revenues exceeding $80,000. I managed a staff of 14 employees and directed the acquisition of multimedia technology for the Art and Design building."
17:36<pwnguin>lets see, 80k, divided 15 ways is...
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17:37<agentbleubleu>Im really bugged, its 11.30 and i cant go to bed as i got no email working,
17:38<agentbleubleu>there must be a simple way to totally destroy past rules. they are not showing anywhere?
17:38<Bohemian>just secured a 10k grant to redesign the website i've been working on!!!!!!
17:38<Battousai>i'm entitled to half of it
17:38<tjfontaine>Daevien: I jsut died a little
17:39<pwnguin>anyways, it seems that sticky only forces new files to inherit the group ownership, and not the group permissions
17:39<DariusD>anyone have any ideas?
17:39<randallman>sticky prevents people from deleting files, even if the perms on the dir are 777
17:39<pwnguin>so it's ACLs or training this guy
17:39<randallman>unless youy are the owner...
17:39<tjfontaine>Daevien: which domain?
17:39<tjfontaine>DariusD: which domain?
17:39<pwnguin>im sorry not sticky
17:39<randallman>that will make files owned by the group of the parent
17:40<randallman>but will do nothing for the resultant permissions
17:40<randallman>umask fixes that
17:40<randallman>really ACLs fix everything you want
17:40<tjfontaine>acls are a pretty heavy hand
17:40<randallman>setfacl -d -m group:GROUPNAME:rw-
17:40<tjfontaine>the world has gotten by just fine without them :)
17:40<randallman>otherwise, get your umask right :)
17:40<randallman>thing is modern Linux distros assume private groups
17:41<randallman>so the profile (by default) makes the umask different
17:41<pwnguin>i know. i could take the server down, retune to turn on acls and use setfacl
17:41<randallman>if uid -gt 99 and id -gn = id -un, then the umask is 002
17:41<randallman>so actually, that should work...
17:41<randallman>the default umask for a RHEL box is 002 as logn as you use private groups
17:41<pwnguin>im actually not familiar with umask
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17:42<pwnguin>ubuntu 9.10 server
17:42<randallman>umask is basically subtracted from 777
17:42<randallman>to determine the resultant permis
17:42<randallman>022 = default DIR creation 755
17:42<randallman>default file 644
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17:43<randallman>002 = 775 or 664
17:43<tjfontaine>222 for insaity
17:43<pwnguin>or you could just specify a symbolic umask
17:44<randallman>o/~ I should have stoned the crow o/~
17:44<Bohemian>tjfontaine: thanks for your help yesterday
17:44<tjfontaine>Bohemian: my pleasure
17:45<Bohemian>i really cna't believe it when they offered me the layout/design gig
17:45<randallman>Why not?
17:45<Bohemian>when i asked "how much are you allocating towards it?" i expected it to be like 500 bucks or something
17:45<Bohemian>not 10 thousand dollars
17:45<randallman>your smart, your attractive, and gosh darn it, people like you!
17:45<Bohemian>randallman: because despite being at harvard, i'm dirt poor and most projects i've worked on have been in the 500-1000 range.
17:46<Bohemian>currently they are paying me 15/hr, so this is a HUGE bonus
17:46<randallman>Sorry, I meant "You're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like you"
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17:47<Bohemian>wanna know how i got this job originally?
17:47<randallman>So you're going to buy a new car and generate bogus receipts
17:47<randallman>for the uhm, labor ? :P
17:48<Bohemian>i applied for an RA position for her (she's in the government dept. my former concenration [harvard calls majors concentrations])
17:48<tjfontaine>Bohemian: do I turn my invoice in to you or harvard directly?
17:48<pwnguin>so how long are you gonna work for that 5k?
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17:48<Bohemian>and she sent me an email two weeks later saying "you weren't what i was looking for for the RA position, but we need some website work. are you interested? can you meet me tomorrow at my office?"
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17:48<Bohemian>pwnguin: probably 60h
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17:51<pwnguin>i like the umask idea
17:51<randallman>Its just not mandatory
17:51<randallman>users, if they so choose, can override your umask settings
17:51<randallman>its a shell builtin
17:51<pwnguin>this is for wordpress
17:51<pwnguin>via apache
17:52<pwnguin>ima gonna throw it in /etc/apache2/envvars and restart the server
17:52<pwnguin>problem solved!
17:56<Yaakov>I make my umask 000 for top notch security.
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17:59<@Perihelion>I keep my Linode powered off for maximum security while running my applications.
18:00<pwnguin>now if there was a sane way to get public_html permissions on new user creation
18:00*pparadis do run run run you do run run
18:01<apeiron>pwnguin, I keep my home directory mode 0700 and use POSIX 1003.2c ACLs.
18:02<pwnguin>im not sure how that applies to new users
18:02<Yaakov>I delete my Linode every night to keep it safe.
18:02<apeiron>It's a shared machine and I store work & personal irssi logs on the machine.
18:02<erikh>oh, no argument. I still do it in some places
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18:03<apeiron>I was very happy when I learned about POSIX ACLs.
18:03<pwnguin>ive got public_html in /etc/skel, but if i recall from reading the useradd source, permissions are discarded
18:03<erikh>but for most situations, just not handing out shells is an effective solution
18:03<apeiron>pwnguin, Any admin who's been doing things for any amount of time has their own scripts for adding accounts.
18:03<erikh>if I don't have that option, yeah, I go right for that one.
18:03*apeiron needs to get round to writing one that takes an ssh pubkey instead of a password
18:03<erikh>there's actually a system for doing such in some linux systems
18:03<erikh>lord knows I can't remember it though
18:04<pwnguin>apeiron: you'd think useradd would have hooks for it
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18:04<apeiron>no, not really
18:04<erikh>that's what I'm saying
18:04<erikh>yes, on some systems, adduser (not useradd) has hooks you can configure.
18:04<erikh>but real men use pw(8) anyhow
18:04<tjfontaine>realmen use vi
18:04<pwnguin>i always confuse useradd and adduser
18:05<erikh>pwnguin: adduser is typically a script which invokes useradd
18:05*apeiron can't wait for stable FreeBSD on Linode
18:05<erikh>if there are both. the lines blur a bit when there is one or another but not both
18:05<erikh>apeiron: is it coming?
18:05<apeiron>erikh, Rumor has it it's been made more possible but is still unsupported.
18:05<apeiron>That's what I've read.
18:05<erikh>apeiron: ah, yeah, I think bd_ got netbsd booting.
18:05*apeiron nod
18:06<erikh>I did my build-your-own on a bleeding edge arch a few years ago thanks to mikegrb's instructions
18:06<erikh>it worked well, but there were some things that would have been nice to have been supported
18:07<erikh>I guess what I'm saying is, I'm hopeful for it, but until it's on the distro wizard (if ever), I doubt I'd consider it
18:07<apeiron>I'm fine with the BSD bits. It's the xen bits I'm not the best with.
18:07<erikh>most OSes run fine in HVM
18:07<erikh>that's not much different than your vbox/vmware with vt-x
18:07*apeiron nod
18:08<erikh>it's the paravirt that needs to be supported directly, IIRC
18:08<apeiron>What I mean is: that I have to manually set it up in Xen is what's beyond me.
18:08<apeiron>well, as far as one can manually set it up with Linode, anyway.
18:08<erikh>apeiron: I have some scripts here that bootstrap a xen farm w/ arch linux if you'
18:08<erikh>you've any interest.
18:08<erikh>it's not at linode's level, but should you wish to play around with it
18:08<apeiron>hm, mayb.e
18:09<erikh>well, you know where to find me if you want to give it a shot
18:09<erikh>we have our mail/irc/vpn running under it
18:09<erikh>(comparatively low-traffic services)
18:09<pwnguin>oh neat
18:09<pwnguin>If the file /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local exists, it will be executed after the user account has been set up in order to do any local setup. The arguments passed to adduser.local are: username uid gid home-directory The environment variable VERBOSE is set according to the following rule:
18:09<erikh>which is nice because I can give the IRC server, say, 128M of ram and have that be the only service running on that machine
18:10*apeiron nods
18:13<erikh>anyhow, the big problem you'd have is that xen makes qmail seem like a simple install patch-wise
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18:13<erikh>at least, the big problem I've seemed to have
18:13<apeiron>Yeah, that's why I've not gone through with it. :)
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18:13<Yaakov>FLAMT KLIMREX
18:14<erikh>the arch packages have that all sussed out
18:14<erikh>ports of the suse patches for modern kernels and so on are ported into their source and automagically integrated with the userland and etc
18:14<erikh>sorry; coffee again
18:14<erikh>and I still haven't had that beer. I guess it's that time.
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18:17<apeiron> 69
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18:33<Niokuu`>I'm trying to setup a CNAME record in my DNS, but it's not letting me use an asterisk as a wildcard, is there a proper way to do this?
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18:34<Niokuu`>for example: * points to
18:35<SelfishMan>Niokuu`: are you using the linode dns manager?
18:35<SelfishMan>did you create a zone named
18:35<Niokuu`>No, I had a zone for and an A record for
18:36<SelfishMan>you have to have a second zone called and delete that A record
18:36<SelfishMan>You should avoid wildcard CNAME records though
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18:38<Niokuu`>Thanks, is there anything special I need to do after creating the seperate zone?
18:38<SelfishMan>add records to it
18:40<Niokuu`>And it will allow ?
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18:40<jess^> nine levels yay!
18:43<Niokuu`>Ah, I think I got it now. I thought it wasn't allowing me to use * as a cname at all, but I guess it was cause I was having it be 2 levels down.
18:44<Niokuu`>Now, if I have * and * Will there be a problem there or can it figure out what I meant?
18:44<Niokuu`>in 2 different zones of course
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18:48<linbot>New news from forums: Silly Port Scans in General Discussion <>
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19:00<SelfishMan>woohoo! Look at those packets fly!
19:00<TimothyA>PEANUT PACKETS!
19:00*TimothyA throws one into SelfishMan's face
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19:02<karstensrage>hey thanks all, a great bunch.. ill work on setting up financing for a linode 540 i think
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19:12<kewley>hey, anybody know how long staff take to reply to a support request?
19:13<kewley>or whether they support Visa Electron as a payment method
19:14<jtsage>kewley- no idea on #2 - but i've filed 2 tickets since i've been here. one took under 4hrs, and was filed at a rediculous hour (local to linode), the other took less than 30min.
19:16<Ahmed>how do you get the <name> host?
19:17<SelfishMan>Ahmed: Make your check payable to TJ Fontaine, care of OFTC
19:17<kewley>Thanks jtsage, guess I'll just have to wait it out:/
19:17<@Perihelion>kewley: I PMed you
19:18<Ahmed>Yaakov is staff everywhere I've been o_o heh
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19:18<@Perihelion>Id like a cloak because Im vain please
19:20<Niokuu`>ha, that's my hebrew name
19:22<tjfontaine>we love Yaakov
19:23<tjfontaine>with great huge love
19:23<stefanie>for he loves us all
19:23<Bdragon>new dwarf fortress out finally :)
19:25<stefanie>Yaakov: I'm being induced on Monday!
19:26<Ahmed>I hope ididn't sound drunk
19:27<@Perihelion>I SWEAR TO DRUNK IM NOT GOD
19:27<tjfontaine>stefanie: you're nto allowed to be drunk
19:27<tjfontaine>to state the obvious
19:28<stefanie>No shit, Sherlock.
19:28*tjfontaine is now known as CaptainObviousSherlock
19:29<stefanie>but soon I'll be able kinda.
19:29<randallman>hey wow comcast hasnt killed the OTA Cable Ready band yet... They said they would on March 30th :)
19:29<tjfontaine>my friends wife did the whole 30min/2hour wine thing
19:29*randallman notes myth is NOT recording static :)
19:29<tjfontaine>it freaked me out to see
19:29<randallman>what's a 30min/2hr wine thing?
19:30<tjfontaine>there's a window when breast feeding when you're allowed to have a glass of wine
19:30<randallman>oh heh
19:30<Niokuu`>byez, thanks for the help
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19:31<randallman>I could never have a bebe :0 Despite the obvious that I simply do not have a uterus :) I couldnt stop drinking for 9 frakkin months + the subsequent months of breast feeding
19:31<stefanie>oh you can drink, you'll just end up with a seriously fucked up kid.
19:31<randallman>read: you can't drink :)
19:31<tjfontaine>if you have a kid?
19:32<randallman>Dude my wife is outa town.... Im taking care of the Cats, Birds, and Pond fish
19:32<randallman>and Im thinking 'Damn, this sucks'... but if I had a KID... ZOMG
19:32<stefanie>are they all still alive?
19:32<randallman>well, one fishy floated over the winter
19:32<randallman>but he got caught up in the ice near the top
19:32<randallman>the others all ran silent, ran deep
19:32<tjfontaine>silly sub freaks
19:33<randallman>PREPARE FOR DIVE
19:33<randallman>'Down Ladder, Make a hole!'
19:33<randallman>Its actually amazing to think of the life of an outdoor pond fish
19:33<stefanie>I can't see women ever being on a small metal tube for months.
19:33<randallman>Imagine going to sleep and waking up 4 months later...
19:33<stefanie>someone would die
19:33<randallman>though I think they do not sleep
19:34<randallman>I think they actually just de-metabolize to the point they are just pretty much floating
19:34<tjfontaine>stefanie: in the first 30 days?
19:34<randallman>and exchanging gas
19:34<stefanie>tjfontaine: yes
19:34<stefanie>Yaakov: That sound is evil! EVIL!
19:34<tjfontaine>I don't think it would be a problem if it was just 1, but 10 on it
19:34<tjfontaine>and zomg
19:34<randallman>My coworker, his wife is a nuke tech
19:34<tjfontaine>you need 10 extra men for when they all cycled
19:35<randallman>not for subs, but she has to inspect the sub nukes when they are in port .
19:35<randallman>so she does in-fact step foot onto the boart
19:35<tjfontaine>randallman: there's a joke there about inspecting subs in port
19:35<randallman>boat :P
19:35<stefanie>There's been talk of adding women to subs
19:35<Yaakov>randallman: That's what she says.
19:35<tjfontaine>stefanie: indeed
19:35<stefanie>I say it is the worst idea evar.
19:35<randallman>srsly, probably not a hot idea
19:35<randallman>you'll have mad on duty booty
19:35<randallman>what ELSE is there to do at sea
19:36<randallman>under water...
19:36<tjfontaine>randallman: ya because that's impossible to happen now
19:36<randallman>well, sure :)
19:36<randallman>on duty mano y mano booty
19:36<randallman>Dont ask, Dont tell :)
19:36<Yaakov>randallman: "hand to hand" booty?
19:36<randallman>J.O. Buds!
19:36<stefanie>but having a nuke sub surface for a stupid reason like that? I wouldn't want to be the one to explain.
19:37<Yaakov>"Mano a mano" means hand to hand.
19:37<randallman>I suck at life
19:37<randallman>Thanks for correcting me :P
19:37<Yaakov>randallman: Not life, Latin.
19:37<rsdehart>if they truly changed /22
19:37<randallman>e tu, yaakov? :P
19:38<stefanie>randallman: et tu
19:38<randallman>exactly :)
19:38<Yaakov>randallman: It's from the Spanish, but the root is Latin.
19:38<randallman>the only forigen language I really know is C :p
19:38<randallman>(which should qualify as college credit language of course)
19:39<Yaakov>#include <nonstdio.h>
19:39<randallman>#include <stdhiv.h>
19:41<randallman>on that note, /me dinner &
19:41<stefanie>my hips hurt
19:42<Yaakov>stefanie: You must be in a LOT of pain.
19:42<@pparadis>tjfontaine: speaking as somebody who has served on a submarine, i can assure you that you have zero privacy on the boat. sexual relations between a couple of dudes would be problematic to say the least, although i could see things being significantly easier if women were involved.
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19:42<Yaakov>pparadis: Maybe there are 100% gay boats!
19:42<stefanie>Yaakov: not right now, unless I have a contraction.
19:43<stefanie>but those are few and far between.
19:43<Yaakov>stefanie: I tried to read that as a comment on the 100% gay boats...
19:43<Yaakov>Yes, it was very hard to integrate.
19:44<Yaakov>But I guess I could say, "What a woman!",
19:45<stefanie>I guess so.
19:45<stefanie>Contractions are kinda like being repeatedly kicked in the back.
19:46<tjfontaine>pparadis: sure sure tow the line
19:46<@pparadis>hey, i'm not on the boat anymore, just calling it like i see it
19:47<Nivex>xkcd is made of awesome today
19:47<@pparadis>submarines are a completely different operating environment compared to surface fleet vessels.
19:48<@pparadis>it's not uncommon to see sailors transfer to subs from surface and bomb within a year. stuff's different.
19:48<tjfontaine>pparadis: I'm just bustin yar chops
19:48<@pparadis>yeah :)
19:48<TheJoe>pparadis: Speaking of submarines and male bonding
19:49<TheJoe>My dad once told me about this guy who had the beard AND the voice of a really dirty man.
19:49<TheJoe>Horribly dirty
19:49*SelfishMan blinks
19:49<TheJoe>Anyway, one day he pops out from his bunk and says "Oi! It was a good thing me curtain was closed"
19:49<TheJoe>And there was...a mess... yeah
19:49<TheJoe>Don't go on submarines
19:50<TheJoe>No privacy. I vouch for that.
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19:50<TheJoe>I wonder why he quit.
19:53<@Perihelion>he saw urmom and got scared obviously
19:53<TheJoe>Oh, 'course
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19:53<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so ugly they filmed 'Gorillas in the Mist' in her shower! (810:4/0) [ommur]
19:53<SelfishMan>!urmom vote down 810
19:53<@Perihelion>How appropriate.
19:53<linbot>SelfishMan: Voted down 810 [ommur]
19:54<@Perihelion>So basically, yay.
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19:54<SelfishMan>That can help a lot since people are scared of what will happen to mysql
19:55<TheJoe>Now I've done sickening you, I'm off. Goodnight.
19:55<pwnguin>maybe it's an april fools =(
19:55<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: that's not an april fools?
19:55<pwnguin>Some well-known PostgreSQL-features are incompatible with this new extension:
19:55<pwnguin>* ACID. Instead, MySQL ACID will be used. Committed data may or may not be written after a crash, depending on among other things, the current phase of the moon, the color of electrons and the weather conditions in Oz.
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19:57<SelfishMan>tjfontaine: don't know. It would be a smart move to do it though
19:57*SelfishMan is too lazy to click the link
19:57<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: I don't disagree with you, but this article is just troll bait for mysql fanbois :D
19:58<tjfontaine>just like the 9.1 roadmap
19:58<tjfontaine>is for drizzle and monogo fanbois
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19:58<SelfishMan>I use MySQL for a lot of stuff but would happily switch if it didn't mean rewriting a bunch of stuff
19:59<pwnguin>fortunately i'm young enough that my database class educated me on the finer points of mysql vs postgres
19:59<SelfishMan>I enjoyed making it work the first time but making it work again under postgresql is just boring
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20:03<Karrde>is FUSE in the linode kernel nowadays?
20:04<tjfontaine>zgrep -i fuse /proc/config.gz
20:04<tjfontaine>it has been for years
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20:33<jsallah>any admin around ?
20:33<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
20:33<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
20:34<jsallah>well i just wondering why i cannot log in to my is said incorrect passwd..although i already put the correct passwd n username
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20:45<Yaakov>Is anyone awake, or in the mood to help?
20:46<purrdeta>Yaakov: !ask! :P
20:46<Yaakov>That was my question.
20:48*Nivex is the former but not the latter
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20:56*Yaakov looks for someone in the mood.
20:56<SelfishMan>in the mood for what?
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21:26<Bohemian>any staff around?
21:26<Bohemian>my boss couldn't sign up for some reason
21:27<tjfontaine>define couldn't sign up
21:28<Bohemian>I could not proceed to the registration on line
21:28<Bohemian>It may because of my PCard.
21:28<Bohemian>Please get in touch with Anna to see if she can do that
21:28<Bohemian>i have no idea what a PCard is
21:28<HoopyCat>last staff activity was at 2354Z and it is now 0128Z
21:28<tjfontaine>I'm sure it has to do with PCard
21:28<Bohemian>wtf is PCard?
21:29<tjfontaine> I'm guessing
21:29<HoopyCat>i do indeed have a feeling the PCard has something to do with it
21:30<Ahmed>are we talking about linode?
21:30<erikh>Bohemian: have you tried putting in a ticket? generally works better at this time of the day
21:30<Bohemian>erikh: will do
21:30<HoopyCat>is it pending activation due to AVS failure perchance? that's my guess, although i'm not too up with that end of things
21:30<Bohemian>i think she has a mastercard, not a "PCard" (mastercard tends to be credit)
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21:31<HoopyCat> <--- wow
21:32<erikh>PCI is big business these days.
21:32<tjfontaine>fucking hate pci
21:32<Bohemian>i wonder if it has to do with being a non-profit?
21:32*erikh agrees
21:33<Bohemian>that it has to do with NGO?
21:34<HoopyCat> <--- it's probably because linode has too much capacitance to be a supplier, since it seems to require very sharp triangle waves and very tight bandpass filters
21:35<HoopyCat>(joke goes over everyone's head in three... two... one...)
21:36*SelfishMan just read the joke
21:36*SelfishMan just got the joke
21:37<Bohemian>asked her what a PCard is, got this response:
21:37<Bohemian>admin type of card
21:37<Bohemian>Anna will understand
21:37<tjfontaine>better ask anna
21:37<SelfishMan>Who is anna?
21:37<HoopyCat>yeah, i'm voting that asking anna >> opening a ticket
21:37<tjfontaine>from V
21:37<erikh>someone I hope is not as terse as Bohemian's boss
21:37<Bohemian>she's basically the administrator for the entire dept.
21:37<SelfishMan>ah, yes
21:37<Bohemian>a cute little russian girl
21:37<bob2>that must be back again soon
21:38<erikh>so you should be asking anna things a lot
21:38<tjfontaine>like will she go out on a date with tjfontaine
21:38<SelfishMan>tjfontaine beat me to it
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21:40<Bohemian>gotta run, class is over, cya
21:40<Bohemian>will let you know if anna does indeed have to step in
21:40<tjfontaine>tlel her to talk to me
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21:42<stefanie>how does one tlel
21:42*HoopyCat thumbs through his Pile of Cards That Look Generally Valid but Aren't Going to Make Linode Happy
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21:44*stefanie wishes someone would explain these things to her.
21:44<HoopyCat>the 4036 might almost pass muster, but the 6019 has a cat getting stethoscoped on the front of it. the 6002 opens ATM vestibular mantraps just fine
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21:47<emp29_>hey - im having a problem with Nginx proxying requests to FastCGI (PHP-FPM)
21:48<emp29_>i will randomly get 502 Bad Gateway errors
21:48<emp29_>2010/04/01 23:52:01 [error] 3947#0: *10530 connect() failed (111: Connection refused) while connecting to upstream, client:, server:, request: "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1", upstream: "fastcgi://", host: ""
21:48<emp29_>thats from the site's nginx error log
21:49<emp29_>it works 90% of the time
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21:57<HoopyCat>what's a first-class stamp (in the US) cost these days?
21:57<SelfishMan>95 cents
21:57<HoopyCat>these 42-cent holiday stamps do look a little dated
21:57<Battousai>definitely not still 42
21:58<Battousai>i think it's 44
21:58<ericoc>stock up on those "forever" stamps
21:58<SelfishMan>don't they cost extra?
21:58<ericoc>i think they're just $0.44
21:58<ericoc>who sends mail anyways
21:59<Battousai>i draw my stamps on the envelope by hand
21:59<HoopyCat>ericoc: oh i do for personal use. this, however, is with something i'm inheriting
22:00<ericoc>print a bunch of those
22:01<ericoc>oh jeez, they have a hi-res (2674x3000 px) version too
22:02*TLKit bows and thanks Danny (array) for sorting out his issue within minutes!
22:02<HoopyCat>i bet the hi-res image doesn't include the octarine channel
22:02<ericoc>the hi-res image has a line through the word "forever"
22:03<HoopyCat>ericoc: so did the valentine's day card my ex sent me :-(
22:03<bob2>so what's the point of the regular stamps then?
22:04<HoopyCat>bob2: available in designs that don't consist of big-ass bells and values that aren't exactly the first-class rate
22:04<Solver>sending your ex- a valentine's card
22:05<HoopyCat>Solver: well, i didn't know she was an ex until i opened the parcel
22:06<ericoc>haha neat, there's also a hi-res of the forever stamp on, but the filenames changed by like 2 characters
22:07<ericoc>it's just not linked to
22:08<linbot>Karrde: [mtr] 11 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 39.6ms
22:08<linbot>Karrde: [mtr] 11 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 40.8ms
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22:09<amitz>HoopyCat: bad ex, keep disturbing you.
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22:10<Karrde>Lish accepts my key then asks for a password?
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22:10<SelfishMan>then it isn't accepting your key
22:11<Karrde>it doesn't say it refuses my key, and if I type the passphrase wrong it just keeps prompting me
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22:13<Karrde>I get 'connection reset by peer' when I try to SSH, and I can't log into lish.. won't accept the preexisting key, and my new 'deploy keys to host' job has been sitting there for a few minutes (dallas47)
22:15<bob2>lish gets you a "serial console"
22:15<bob2>you need to know your linode's password to login to that
22:15<Karrde>I /have/ used Lish before. I can't even log into lish to get my tty login.
22:15<bob2>file a ticket
22:21<@caker>Karrde: we're on it
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22:24<straterra>thats the problem
22:24<straterra>cakers sitting on it
22:24<Bohemian>well, i got a response from linode about my PCard issue
22:24<Bohemian>let's see if my boss responds or if she officially handed it off :)
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22:58<randallman>You ever just start looking around your home office and realize that you just need to re-wire everything... AC, Speaker Cables, Ethernet, etc...
22:58<purrdeta>and then you kill yourself?
22:59<TimothyA>i just swipe it under the bed
22:59<TimothyA>problem is, I have a mat for a bed
22:59<randallman>that'd be a problem
23:01<randallman>I need to get a shit-ton of new ethernets
23:01<randallman>and a bunch of those brick-extenders :P
23:01<randallman>to plug into a strip/APC
23:01<randallman>without knocking out adjacent outlets
23:01<randallman>and I need a crossover cable bleh :P
23:02<purrdeta>good luck
23:02<randallman>heh not sure I'll need luck :)
23:02<randallman>maybe some motivation
23:02<purrdeta>eh I cant do it
23:03<jtsage>randallman- and look spiffy. lowes has a giant spider lookin thing that isn't half bad too
23:03<randallman>So here's what's ACTUALLY going to happen
23:03<randallman>Im going to play video games :)
23:03<randallman>and then Ill forget all about this grand scheme :)
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23:13<amitz>randallman: or just move to another place ;-)
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23:14<amitz>move to an-ex place of a company with reputable good infrastructure.
23:16<amitz>Used to do that but someone ripped off all the cables..
23:20<randallman>well there we go, new router in place
23:20*randallman waves bye bye to the old whiterussian wrt54g
23:20<randallman>soon I shall be ipv6 at home, muwhahaha
23:22<randallman>need x-over so I can connect old WAP54G to provide wifi
23:25<amitz>randallman: but you have the crimp I assume?
23:25<randallman>hell naw
23:25<randallman>I got peeps @$work tho :P
23:25*amitz wants to own one but no excuse to buy it :-(
23:26<randallman>so Ill deadhead a x-over tomorrow
23:26<randallman>so no wifi tonight
23:26<randallman>*boo hoo* the Wii is going to be angry.
23:26<amitz>your geeky neighbor will be disappointed :-p
23:26<amitz>no wifi tonight.
23:26<randallman>good lord :P
23:27<randallman>I got a bud that actually provides internet access to the serious styx out in the middle-of-nowhere texas via WIFI
23:27<randallman>directional point to points I believe
23:27<randallman>for some # of customers
23:27<randallman>more of a co-op that buys a leased line and splits it up
23:28<amitz>I should have done that too butwe don't own any high altitude location :-/
23:29<SelfishMan>randallman: I've deployed numerous systems like that
23:29<SelfishMan>They scale impressively well assuming the total bandwidth is <=5Mbps
23:29<randallman>how far 2.4 run when directed and reasonably powered?
23:29<randallman>or is the hub non-directional and the clients directional?
23:29<SelfishMan>randallman: 50-75 mile links have been done legally in the US
23:30<randallman>I literally know nothing about radio :0
23:30<SelfishMan>I've pulled off 1.2 mile links with an 8db panel on the AP and a orinocco gold card with the null antenna on the other end
23:30<randallman>I think I had a few folks in here try to give me the cliff notes on freq. mod
23:31<SelfishMan>null antenna == antenna built into the card that has zero gain and no real polarity
23:31<@Perihelion>Prepeare to meet your maker at the hands of my cat launcher!
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23:31<SelfishMan>Perihelion: I love that clip
23:32<amitz>Perihelion: you forgot the mad scientist laughter.
23:32<@Perihelion>It's on TV now
23:32<SelfishMan>Adam West is the best character on that show
23:32<@Perihelion>Nobody messes with Adam We
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23:35*SelfishMan checks for the 2.1 OTA update
23:40*Solver tries zenoss, which someone here mentioned a few weeks ago
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23:48<straterra>Prolly me
23:50<amitz>do you often use ls to confirm that you're indeed in the directory you intent to be? *curious*. Or other method?
23:51<straterra>i use ls
23:51<bob2>or have your shell display it in the prompt
23:51<straterra>i instinctively type ls after i change directories
23:51<amitz>bob2: display the content of directory in the prompt?
23:51<Solver>straterra: yeah I do that
23:51<bob2>display pwd in the prompt
23:52<amitz>Solver, straterra: you're my friend!
23:52<Solver>sux when you go in to a dir with 1000s of files
23:52<randallman>Selfish, I guess I used the non-OTA update
23:52<chesty>stat out of furryporn/ then
23:52<randallman>threw onthe the fone
23:53<randallman>Im sure the verizon cops are en route
23:53<straterra>SelfishMan: not yet :/
23:53<amitz>oh, pwd.. I have the pwd by default but it's still unnerving
23:53<straterra>I'm still waiting on the OTA update
23:54<SelfishMan>hopefully we will be in the next batch in the next few hours
23:54<straterra>We've been duped!
23:54<SelfishMan>Part of me still thinks this is just a really cruel and ellaborate joke for today
23:54<straterra>Who said the update was coming today?
23:54<randallman>Any particular reason to wait for the OTA update?
23:55<randallman>though I suppose that ship has already sailed for me
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23:55<SelfishMan>randallman: Until I know for sure that the manual update everyone is pushing is *identical* to the VZW one I'm not willing to deal with it
23:55<randallman>Yeah I suppose there is that
23:56<randallman>I dunno, I've had to hack on my phones ever since my 2nd vzw fone
23:56<SelfishMan>I don't like maintaining custom packages on my servers and I'm sure as hell not going to do it on my phone
23:56<randallman>always VZW stupidness causing it
23:56<SelfishMan>I've hacked every previous phone and it was always a bitch when it had to be replaced or had a problem
23:56<randallman>the whole tethering thing... Some fella named Mark here in Wilm, DE hacked the crap outa every motorola ever made
23:56<randallman>with the seem edits etc...
23:56<randallman>so I just followed his instructions and voila :)
23:57<randallman>tethering, bluetooth file xfer
23:57<randallman>bring back the vibe then ring, etc..
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23:57<straterra>I want tethering for my droid
23:57<randallman>anyway, I sound a lot like Im trying to convince myself :)
23:57<randallman>PDAnet works, no?
23:57<straterra>Havent tried it
23:57<straterra>i like free
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23:57<randallman>vzw-sanctioned tethering should cost more I reckon
23:57<dhoss>tethering is awesome but i always get this piece of shit alert on my mac when i unsleep it about not having connectivity
23:57<randallman>PDAnet OTOH will not
23:57<straterra>I've rooted
23:58<randallman>Ok, so you basically need to do what to tether?>
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23:58<straterra>Install pdanet lol
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