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#linode IRC Logs for 2010-04-03

---Logopened Sat Apr 03 00:00:28 2010
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00:03<@jed>uh huh...
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00:03<@jed>so collectd runs without doing anything for five minutes, then prints a bunch of
00:03<@jed>[2010-04-03 00:03:03] Initialization complete, entering read-loop.
00:03<@jed>to the log.
00:03<@jed>then repeats
00:04<@jed>something is screwed here
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00:04<Cygnus>Evening gentlemen, i used lish recently, the thing that got me shocked is the ubuntu stuff?, Let me get it right i ssh into another machine that actually does an offbandwidth connection (login session) to the linode?
00:05<jkwood>You're sshing into your host machine, yes.
00:05<Cygnus>jkwood: ok, now i get it
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01:17<erikh>copied fine on the other machine
01:17<erikh>it also had what freebsd thought was a bad gpt on it
01:17<erikh>so i'm wondering if something was going on there
01:17<erikh>definitely cleared that up
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01:19<phoenix24>is there any how-to on transferring a domain parked with godaddy to linode NS's ?
01:21<@Perihelion>Not with GoDaddy specifically
01:21<@Perihelion>But there's a guide on using the DNS Manager
01:22<Chris___>Perihelion! <3
01:22<Chris___>it's goose
01:22<Chris___>as my alter ego :p
01:22*jkwood cooks the goose
01:23<@Perihelion>I had to whois to find that out :<
01:23<NotInternat>talk to me goose.
01:23*jed sings some kenny loggins
01:23<@Perihelion>I know too many of you Chrisfolk
01:23<Chris___>I'm not on a 14 week vacation D: I'm off job training :p
01:23<NotInternat>i loved top gun. was my favourite movie as a kid
01:23<NotInternat>and by your powers combine.. i am..
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01:23<Chris___>wouldn't want you to think I was actually having fun for 14 weeks, so had to correct you :p
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01:24<@Perihelion>Job training :<
01:24<@Perihelion>Wait Internat is captain planet?
01:24<@Perihelion>bro im sorry about that can
01:24<@pparadis>you all can have your top gun. i prefer this -->
01:24<@Perihelion>i was gonna recycle it
01:24<Internat>no. but with your powers NotInternat, becomes Internat :P
01:24<Chris___>yesh :S But it's only 12 more weeks, then I'll have more time to IRC again :D
01:24<@Perihelion>and like...there wasnt a bin
01:24<@Perihelion>so i had to throw it out
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01:25<phoenix24>thanks Perihelion, that helped me.
01:25<erikh>go go gadget bluescreen
01:26<@Perihelion>You're welcome
01:26*Chris___ gives Perihelion a cookie
01:26*Perihelion nibbles
01:26<Chris___>sleepy time :p night night, catch you next time I'm on IRC :D
01:26<@Perihelion>Night o/
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01:32<@jed>The WAFL block
01:32<@jed>This will collect various performance data about the WAFL file system. At the moment this just means cache performance.
01:32<@jed>haha, wafls
01:32<@jed>you know I'm loopy when WAFL amuses me
01:32<@Perihelion>y'all want sum pancakes
01:32<MJCS>mmmm wafls
01:32<MJCS>and womprs
01:34<jkwood>WAFLs do have superior cache performance to PNCKES.
01:35*Perihelion makes some pwncakes
01:38*TLKit jumps on Perihelion and cuddles.
01:40<TLKit>Pfft, I'll go back to Yaakov then.
01:42<@Perihelion>He's too good for you
01:42<@Perihelion>No lies
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01:42<@Perihelion>He is a SAINT
01:42<TLKit>He's my bitch.
01:42<jkwood>Yeah, too grood for you.
01:44<erikh>jed: the WAFL filesystem organizes the disk into grids of buckets which contain hard links, also known as syrup
01:45<erikh>it's the building block for btrfs
01:45*jkwood syrups erikh
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01:46<jkwood>That may not mean what I thought it was supposed to mean.
01:46<erikh>huh; nothing yet. I suppose that bad GPT was the culprit
01:47<erikh>copied about .. 70G so far, it failed long before then the last two times.
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01:47<linbot>New news from forums: System administration of web applications (Apache with PHP) in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
01:47<@Perihelion>I LOVE LAMP
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01:48<TinyAmitz>i need lamp to extend my productivity in life.
01:49<erikh>we used to call LAMP something else before that meme came along
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01:50<TinyAmitz>What erikh?
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01:51<erikh>amitz: don't make your bot ping me
01:51<erikh>plox :)
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01:51<TinyAmitz>What? Which bot erikh?
01:52<erikh>damn you weechat
01:52<erikh>TinyAmitz: ping me again
01:53*SelfishMan pings urmom
01:53<TinyAmitz>i didn't but let me ping you.
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01:54<TinyAmitz>i don't know if that ping order was successful.
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01:59<TinyAmitz>weird people started friending me in facebook...
01:59<jkwood>That's not a nice way to talk about jed.
02:00<praetorian>nicer than normal for jed
02:01<TinyAmitz>That's jed? the profile picture is worse than what selfishman usually posts..
02:02<TinyAmitz>Because you're IMPOTANT!
02:02<TinyAmitz>Damn, typo.
02:03<SelfishMan>THAT'S NOT TRUE
02:03<jkwood>His doctor said the special underwear would keep that from happening again.
02:04<jkwood>His dealer said the blue pill would as well.
02:04<jkwood>And urmom says it happens to lots of guys.
02:05<TinyAmitz>either way, that kind of issue must be highlighted.
02:06<jkwood>My doctor told me to stop falling asleep in my chair, so I'm going to go make up to my bed.
02:07<TinyAmitz>just put your monitor on your ceiling. Problem solved.
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03:57<amitz>megatron27__: dude, the unexpected happened.
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04:03<amitz>they like each other too much, heh.
04:07<amitz>the female friend and wife. I guess I'm not that good at analyzing people's compatibility.
04:07<megatron27__>possible three some?
04:07<megatron27__>or does her wife just want to keep her competition close to her
04:07<megatron27__>your wife**
04:08<amitz>haha, I like your first thinking.
04:08<amitz>nah, I don't think that's her way of thinking.
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04:24<amitz>any recommendation? guidedog/guardog? apt-firewall? arno-iptables-firewall? shorewall?
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04:25<azaghal>iptables :)
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04:28<amitz>azaghal: I'm a high level guy ;-)
04:28<azaghal>I tried shorewall at the time.
04:28<amitz>read: can't do iptabl :-p
04:28<azaghal>It's not bad, but in the end it was a bit hard for me to debug the rules and chains it created.
04:28<praetorian>i much prefer openbsd pf
04:28<azaghal>So I went for writing iptables rules by hand.
04:29<azaghal>Once you get the hang of iptables, it's ok. The initial learning curve is a bit rough, though.
04:29<amitz>uh, bsd magic.
04:29<amitz>yeah, it seems. PErhaps it's the time for me to learn it..
04:30<amitz>who am I kidding? I won't learn it if I can help it muahahaha :-D
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04:32<azaghal>Oh, you will.
04:32<azaghal>At some point you'll wonder "Hm... Now what the heck did this do...?"
04:35<amitz>azaghal: ..yeah, it's an inevitability.. *sigh*
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04:41<megatron27>amitz, you sick fuck
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05:51<Friction[laptop]>is there a poblem with linode's billing system?
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06:01<agentbleubleu>help :
06:07<agentbleubleu>httpd (pid 28016?) not running
06:07<agentbleubleu>(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address
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06:58<Zolomon>What's the difference between sudo apt-get ... and apt-get ...?
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06:59<tacticus>Zolomon: sudo lets you do it as a user other than root provided they have sudo rights
06:59<Zolomon>If I'm logged in as root I don't need to use it?
07:00<tacticus>you dont need to use SU DO when SU
07:00<Zolomon>Ooh.. ^^
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08:15<randallman>Am, yall
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08:44*linbot slices a piece from a delicious rectangular pimento-studded loaf of salmon, cream cheese, mayo, and sour cream
08:45<HoopyCat>breakfast of champions!
08:46<chesty>are you an elite athlete? need to consume 6000 calories a day?
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08:49<A-KO>I consume 6,000 calories a day
08:49<randallman>now yall went off and made me hungry :)
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08:55<montel>yes hi
09:05<Lee>Oh. Boobs.
09:07<HoopyCat>mornings sometimes get the breast of me
09:07<randallman>Wood you care to expand upon that? :P
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09:09<HoopyCat>naw, it's just that sometimes i feel like a nut
09:09<randallman>bah dum, <hat>
09:10<Lee>Can you show other people your graphs?
09:11<HoopyCat>after a few beers, i can and do
09:11<HoopyCat>err, wait, that was a serious question
09:11*goose pokes Perihelion
09:11<randallman>hrrm, no beer.... Im experiencing a bit of a tequila sunrise :)
09:11<randallman>Tres Generaciones FT[W/L]
09:12<HoopyCat>Lee: not directly; they're tied to your login session. you can download them and share them that way, however
09:12<Lee>Bleh. He's on a cell phone anywho
09:12<linbot>New news from forums: Speed issues to Newark from T-Home, Germany in Linux Networking <>
09:12<Alex-HK>my linode dashboard still shows : You have used 0%
09:12<Alex-HK>of your monthly transfer.
09:12<Lee>I'm trying to find out where my bandwidth is running to
09:12<Lee>I've used 7% of mine.
09:12<Alex-HK>i wonder if it will change to 1% somehow...
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09:13<randallman>1% here :)
09:13<Alex-HK>i used 1.7gb for 2 days...
09:13<randallman>and Im sitting on 16GB of unused disk
09:13<randallman>how about that...
09:13<Alex-HK>iguess 400gb is more that enough to me :-)
09:14<randallman>400GB is basically an average of > T1 constantly all month
09:14<HoopyCat>Lee: hmmm. well, "netstat -nupt" will show you active connections in case there's more than you'd expect; what's your network rate graph look like? (min/max/avg)
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09:14<HoopyCat>VPS Stats: Host is idle. Guest has been up since 2010-02-07 09:17:01.0, and is averaging 8.36% of one host CPU. Used 8 GB. Load averages are 0.00 0.02 0.04. Host time is 2010-04-03 09:14:38 -0400 (fresh).
09:15<randallman>if my math is right, its 1.22mbits CONSTANT
09:15<randallman>no IM all whacked out
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09:15<Lee>I'm doing like 2Mbits constant .. Except for the spikes up from 5-8Mbits
09:16<HoopyCat>Lee: ok, so two gauges are in agreement
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09:16<randallman>400GB*1024 = 409600MB... *8 = 3276800mbits/month... /(31*24*60*60)
09:16<randallman>is 1.2234mbits/sec
09:16<Lee>HoopyCat: Wtf was that? Idle host, Guest has been up etc etc
09:17<Lee>Is it possible to give other users access to your Linode?
09:17<randallman>you can create accounts
09:18<randallman>with assorted permissions
09:18<randallman>which have web login
09:18<randallman>Under account
09:19<randallman>Users and Permissions :)
09:19<HoopyCat>Lee: ... pulls it in via API call. makes it easy to tell if something asplode without having to log in.
09:19<montel>SHUT UP
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09:20<Lee>HoopyCat: That be yours?
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09:20<HoopyCat>Lee: try "tcpdump -n -i eth0 -s 0 -w somefilename.pcap"... let it run for ~5 seconds, hit ctrl-C, then download somefilename.pcap and load it into wireshark (or similar tool of your choice). that'll give you a five-second snapshot of actual traffic.
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09:21<HoopyCat>Lee: the linode is one of mine; the web site itself lives a life of its own
09:22<Lee>HoopyCat: Cool. I'm on dallas138. Anywho, is it possible to give a user permission to view graphs only?
09:23<HoopyCat>Lee: i don't believe so; i think someone asked on the forums recently. that said, you can synthesize most of that data (and more!) using munin.
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09:26<Lee>HoopyCat: Oh well.
09:26<randallman>just do the tcpdump thing
09:26<randallman>you'll know right off what's killing your bandwidth
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09:27<HoopyCat>yeah... the dashboard graphs are just telling you there's a problem, but they can't tell you what it is
09:27<Lee>Command not found. Fail.
09:27<HoopyCat>Lee: apt-get install tcpdump
09:27<Lee>What gods damned package is it?
09:27<HoopyCat>Lee: and on your workstation, apt-get install wireshark
09:27<Lee>I'm on Win7
09:28<Lee>And it says tcpdump is already the newest version, the hell?
09:28<HoopyCat>Lee: wireshark is also available for the windows
09:28<HoopyCat>Lee: /usr/sbin/tcpdump
09:29<HoopyCat>Lee: /usr/sbin/tcpdump
09:29<Lee>I did it after I pasted that
09:29<HoopyCat>and sudo first, as well; the linux doesn't let normal users sniff all traffic on an interface
09:30<Lee>I'm either going to blame that on the timing, or use it as a chance to show off that pastebin. Which I made. By myself.
09:30<HoopyCat>Lee: i might recommend not centering the content, hehe
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09:32<Lee>And I got the file open in Wireshark ..
09:32<HoopyCat>Lee: i might also recommend a monospace font and preserving leading whitespace, but now i'm just getting picky
09:33<Lee>I dunno how to change the font, and the leading whitespace isn't preserved? Hmph.
09:34<Lee>Wonder what's messing that up
09:34<HoopyCat>Lee: how's the pcap look?
09:34<randallman>Looks a little BPFish :P
09:34<randallman>(ok that wasnt funny at all)
09:35<amitz>Tall if looked in a certain way.
09:35<Lee>HoopyCat: What should I look for exactly? And did I leave it a bit long?
09:35<randallman>!wx KPHL
09:35<linbot>randallman: [metar] OBS at KPHL: 46.4F/08C, visibility 5 miles, wind 3.45 mph (altimeter: 30.17) [KPHL 031308Z 17003KT 5SM BR OVC002 08/08 A3017 RMK AO2]
09:35<randallman>it is supposed to be EIGHTY today...
09:35<linbot>Lee: (wx <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1&requester=$nick".
09:35<randallman>its overcast, foggy, and 46 :(
09:35<HoopyCat>Lee: look at IPs, port numbers, content... look for patterns, anomalies, things where the port number on your side of the connection isn't a port number you recognize
09:35<Lee>!wx WAWC
09:35<linbot>Lee: [metar] WAWC: not found
09:36<Lee>Wtf is that.
09:36<HoopyCat>!wx kroc
09:36<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 64.4F/18C, visibility 10 miles, wind 5.75 mph (altimeter: 29.91) [KROC 031254Z 18005KT 10SM BKN250 18/09 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP127 T01830089 ]
09:36<HoopyCat>Lee: if you're in the US, K plus your nearest airport code
09:36<HoopyCat>Lee: if you're in canada, C plus your nearest airport code
09:36<Lee>US, and I don't live near an airport.
09:36<HoopyCat>Lee: if you're in the UK, assume it's cool and rainy
09:36*Lee beats up Indiana
09:36<randallman>Lee, surely there's an airport somewhere near by :)
09:36<randallman>KIND works
09:36<randallman>Ft Wayne has one too :)
09:37<Lee>Ft Wayne is hours away
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09:37<Lee>..Well, not hours
09:37<HoopyCat>Lee: what's your zip code?
09:37<randallman>Where you at in indiana?
09:37<Lee>All 3,038 people (As of the 2000 Census)
09:37<randallman>Mom's from Lowell and Dad's from Uniondale (outside of bluffton)
09:37<Lee>This fucking tcpdump is too long.
09:37<HoopyCat>!wx kwar
09:37<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] KWAR: not found
09:37<Daevien>lee: the next few questions from hoopy will narrow down your location, look for a crazy dude looking like a cat pickign through your garbage mid-week. that's hoopy
09:37<randallman>I read that as GWAR
09:37<HoopyCat>!wx kzxv
09:37<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] KZXV: not found
09:38<HoopyCat>!wx kgsh
09:38<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KGSH: 55.4F/13C, visibility 10 miles, wind 3.45 mph (altimeter: 29.72) [KGSH 031253Z AUTO 18003KT 10SM BKN075 13/08 A2972 RMK AO2 SLP062 T01280078]
09:38*Lee thinks
09:38<Lee>Oh, that one that I've seen a plane land on an average of once every 2 years!
09:39<randallman>Anyway, that tcpdump should have port numbers :P
09:39<HoopyCat>Lee: goshen is KGSH
09:39<amitz>!wx wiii
09:39<linbot>amitz: [metar] OBS at WIII: 82.4F/28C, visibility 6000 miles, wind 6.90 mph (altimeter: 29.82528283) [WIII 031300Z 25006KT 6000 SCT020 28/23 Q1010 NOSIG]
09:39<amitz>..uneventful information...
09:39<Lee>It doesn't, randallman
09:39<A-KO>we figured out a routing issue by checking the ethernet headers in a sonicwall firewall :P though......shouldn't have been an issue, but was very strange...
09:39<randallman>09:39:44.661043 IP > 13153% [1au] A? W.ARIN.NET. (39)
09:40<randallman>Mine does :)
09:40<HoopyCat>Lee: it's the 3rd closest airport to you, but the closest one with automated weather observatomatic. and hey, it gets traffic:
09:40<A-KO>we sent icmp packets ot the firewall from a machine, the return packet had the correct IP address--yet it was sending the return to a completely incorrect interface (mac address)......
09:40<A-KO>yet kept the proper IP
09:40<A-KO>and the arp tables were correct
09:40<randallman>haha hoopy, you tracked down a camera for his airport :0
09:40<HoopyCat>afk, disco inferno
09:41<randallman>err not a cam, but data nonetheless :)
09:41<randallman>Terre Haute has an 'international' airport
09:41<Lee>randallman: Can I /notice you?
09:43<avar>Lee: If you did that it'd be against RFC1459 to reply to you.
09:44<Daevien>HoopyCat = professional stalker
09:46<Lee>I'd tap that.
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10:11<HoopyCat>"Yeah, it could not find zee-lib... ZED-lib! ZED! LIB! ZEDD! LIB! Shit."
10:11<randallman>WHo in here knows SIP well?
10:12<Daevien>aka she told you to fuck off about something?
10:12<randallman>Lee here is getting lambasted with apparently unsolicited SIP requests :)
10:12<randallman>and since its UDP, he cant really stop the incoming traffic flow
10:12<Lee>Don't rub it in.
10:12<randallman>and its something on the order of 500kbits a se
10:12<randallman>No Im not: )
10:12<randallman>Im asking for someone elses opinion
10:13<randallman>this is a help channel at the end of the day :)
10:13<Lee>Course, not all of those are bad
10:13<Lee> domain name pointer <- For example.
10:13<HoopyCat>randallman: "international" implies that there's the capability of accepting flights from foreign countries; doesn't say anything about passenger, regularly-scheduled, or anything, just that there's a room that can have "US CUSTIMS & IMMIGRATIN'" put on the door
10:13<randallman>HoopyCat, nevertheless... :P
10:13<Lee> domain name pointer <- For example. I know that is innocent, randallman
10:13<HoopyCat>additionally, i know SIP fairly well
10:13<Lee>Well, maybe not
10:14<Lee>It's my ISP, but not my IP. The hell, other people have Mediashit?
10:14<randallman>None of it is innocent if it was unsolicited
10:14<HoopyCat>all packets have a reason and a context
10:14<Lee>If I could redo that command to get just the ones from the odd ICMP requests, it'd be better
10:14<randallman>Lee's got some pcaps of sip traffic and we've already gone through netstat -atunlp and cannot ascertain what might be soliciting the requests
10:15<Lee>Because some of that is probably my game server and other stuff. Like, bleh.
10:15<HoopyCat>Lee: mind if i take a look at the pcaps?
10:15<Lee>Last one I did
10:15<HoopyCat>i usually prefer to filter in post-processing; strangely quicker that way
10:15<randallman>I actually prefer the CLI to wireshark
10:15<randallman>depending on the use case of course :)
10:16<randallman>we also have Network Instruments at work
10:16<randallman>which is quite sweet, does some awesome side-by-side stream analysis
10:16<HoopyCat>that's why it's a standard file format that multiple things will open. :-)
10:16<randallman>from N points....
10:16*HoopyCat takes a look
10:16<jkwood>A spectrum oboe and time-domain mellophone, I assume.
10:17<randallman>ya know just the other day, I remembered my grandparents had a Hammond B-3
10:17<randallman>when I was a child
10:17<randallman>and I remember asking for it
10:17<randallman>but instead they threw it away
10:17<randallman>around the time I Was in my 20's
10:17<Lee>Dude, you're old!
10:18<randallman>Im 35 ffs
10:18<randallman>no 36
10:18<randallman>36 this year :)
10:18<amitz>s/Dude/The ancient one/
10:18<Lee>I'll be 18 in December. I win.
10:19<randallman>35 is better than 18 was
10:19<randallman>save the occasional ache or pain
10:19<HoopyCat>i don't like the cut of this jib, that's for sure
10:19*amitz stops talking to jailbait.
10:19*Lee cries
10:20<amitz>Lee: I want to hug you but then....
10:20<Lee>amitz: I'm a 17 year old guy, I'll live.
10:20<Lee>Course, I'm also fat.
10:20<jkwood>Hi, I'm Chris Hansen.
10:20<amitz>Lee: yeah, but I'll rot in jail :-p
10:20<randallman>WELL then
10:20<Lee> <- Me
10:21<Lee>No, wait, fuck that's my house
10:21<Lee> <- THAT'S me.
10:21<SirSquidness>needs lower res photos.
10:21<Bohemian>any staffers here? i want to talk about my ticket
10:21<amitz>1st rule of internet: compress your photograph!
10:22<Lee>I just copied and pasted it off my SD card, gtfo
10:22<jkwood>Bohemian: Stop speeding and they won't have to give you a ticket.
10:22<Lee>+ it's loading off my home computer. So, like, yeah.
10:22<SirSquidness>amitz: obviously you haven't actually read the rules of the internet
10:22<HoopyCat>Lee: know anyone around
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10:23<amitz>SirSquidness: just googled. That's read like rules of 4chan :-p
10:23<SirSquidness>amitz: correct
10:24<randallman>HoopyCat: ooh, what'd ya find
10:24<Lee>Yes, HoopyCat
10:24<Lee> domain name pointer
10:24<Bohemian>also, since i love my fellow linodians, anyone here with HTML/CSS that has time next week and the week to do a layout? the budget is pretty good
10:25<Lee>HoopyCat: May I ask why?
10:25<randallman>Hmm, I need > 1 /64 routed to my home
10:25<randallman>since I have > 1 L3 network...
10:26<HoopyCat>Lee: so, if you look at the incoming SIP packets, they all have different origin IP addresses, but they're all reply packets, and they all have From: headers indicating
10:26<Lee>HoopyCat: So is borking me?
10:27<randallman>Ahh nice
10:27<randallman>I shoulda caught that
10:27<Daevien>randallman: noob
10:27<HoopyCat>Lee: it's worth investigation, yes
10:27<Lee>Yeah you idiot!
10:27<randallman>holy shit
10:27<Lee>K, I'll bug the Crazytales when he shows up.
10:27<Lee>Or is it she
10:27<Lee>Bah, I dunno
10:28<Lee>He/she seems to change her mind
10:28<randallman>ALRIGHTY then.
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10:28<randallman>I <3 the internet
10:28<Lee>I <3 you
10:28<HoopyCat>Lee: if they aren't the originator, then the administrator of that IP might see another angle too
10:28<Lee>Just for the effort
10:29<randallman>SIP packets are easily spoofed?
10:29<HoopyCat>Lee: and if they are the originator, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD EGRESS FILTERING PEOPLE JESUS CHRIST IT'S 2010
10:29<HoopyCat>randallman: they're UDP packets
10:29<randallman>but the data is actually telling who to connect to what right?
10:30<randallman>and for why
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10:32<HoopyCat>randallman: yeah... these are, for lack of a better word, backscatter packets
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10:33<randallman>Yeah that's what I was thinking
10:33<randallman>even prior to your divine intervention :)
10:33<randallman>but thanks :p
10:34<Lee>We're not only divine.
10:34*Lee wishes he was a Greek God
10:34*Lee sighs
10:34<HoopyCat>randallman: i'm not sure this is an efficient way to to a DDoS attack, since most of these are coming back with 486's with no SDP and the INVITEs generating them must be going out with an SDP, so len(incident)>len(reflected) on average
10:35<randallman>nothing like a good old 'root hint w/glue' magnification attack :)
10:35<randallman>that can be what, 10:1 :P
10:35<HoopyCat>randallman: another thing that's puzzling me is the consistency of the 486s... its as if they were all generated by the same stack
10:36<randallman>everything I've read about SIP is very damning of the protocol
10:36<randallman>firewalls hate it
10:36<erikh>urmom's a firewall
10:36<randallman>urmom's a brickhouse!
10:37<Daevien>the state of SIP, asterisk, etc is a lot better now than a few years ago when i was doing that stuff. back then even other techie peopel would look at you wiht a blank look when you said SIP & asterisk
10:37<jkwood>!urmom is a brick firewall
10:37<linbot>jkwood: Yo momma's so ugly, she got a tattoo and her doctor said her skin condition was clearing up! (734:0/1) [mmoru]
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10:37<jkwood>urmom vote up 734
10:37<randallman>!urmom vote down 734
10:37<linbot>randallman: Voted down 734 [rmomu]
10:37<jkwood>!urmom vote up 734
10:37<linbot>jkwood: Voted up 734 [mrmuo]
10:38<HoopyCat>randallman: eh, it's better than H.323
10:38<jkwood>It's weak, but it deserves a chance to live.
10:38<HoopyCat>randallman: a spotcheck of packet origins indicates that a lot of them look very dynamicish
10:40<HoopyCat>Lee: for the sake of science, and/or #dshield on might have someone that has seen this sort of thing before
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10:48<randallman>nice, v6 from the house is only about 2-4ms slower than v4
10:49<randallman>(to my linode)
10:49<Lee>Now girls
10:49<Lee>How can I get my IPv6 to have working rDNS? D:
10:49<jkwood>Summer girls?
10:50<HoopyCat>shadow master
10:50<randallman>Lee, setup DNS servers?
10:50<randallman>delegate them
10:50<Lee>randallman: I'm already
10:50<Lee>Running .. bind, I think
10:50<randallman>I setup a hidden master on my 'node and the publish that to my $work enterprise anycast dns
10:51<Lee>randallman: In English?
10:51<randallman>No sprecht
10:51<Lee>Sprechen sie Deutsch?
10:51<randallman>Im joking around :p
10:51<randallman>my wife did live in germany for like 6 or so years
10:52<Lee>That's about all I've retained from a trimester of German in HS before I dropped out. Ah well.
10:52<grawity>Lee: What kind of IPv6 connectivity? 6to4, tunnel, native?
10:52<amitz>jkwood: there is only one summer girl.
10:52<Lee>grawity: What're you doing here?
10:52<HoopyCat>Lee: set up a zone like with a record like IN PTR, slave your favorite nameservers (e.g. ns1-> off of it, point your tunnelbroker there
10:52<grawity>Lee: Specify your NS addresses in, and create a zone -
10:53<randallman>Oh linode's nameservers will happily slave DNS?
10:53<randallman>for any particular zone?
10:53<Lee>grawity: What should my nameservers be?
10:53<grawity>Lee: Do you run bind or something on your linode?
10:53<Lee>grawity: Crispy does
10:54<HoopyCat>randallman: you bet your bippy
10:54<randallman>I had no idea
10:54<randallman>or else I wouldnt be using my $work
10:54<HoopyCat>randallman: dig ns :-)
10:54<randallman>well it was a nice test for work
10:54<randallman>we werent sure if our DNS management tools would handle the
10:54<randallman>but they do
10:55<HoopyCat>randallman: nod
10:55<randallman>Ill do my home inaddr on linode
10:55<HoopyCat>things'll slave anything
10:55<randallman>well THAT i did not know
10:55<Lee>grawity: Is this conversation going anywhere?
10:55<grawity>Lee: Probably not.
10:56<grawity>Lee: dig -x your IPv6 address
10:56<randallman>Is there any standard by which I should choose the next 16 bits of a /48 allocation
10:56<randallman>to break it up into /64s ?
10:56<grawity>Lee: Then copy the part, and stab Crispy until he creates a zone for it.
10:56<Lee>grawity: Or you could tell me how to do it :<
10:56<Lee>Since he's on a bus the last time I talked to him
10:57<HoopyCat>my hobby is: waiting until the weekend to read april fools day jokes randomly interspersed among the rest of the week's rss news, and then playing "joke or not joke" by ignoring the date
10:57<grawity>Lee: I have absolutely no idea about the current configuration on Crispyland....
10:57<Lee>grawity: He haz bind.
10:57<HoopyCat>"NBAR flesh tone detection, powered by Cisco's proprietary Flexible Advanced Pornographic Protocol Recognition (FAPPR) algorithm, currently supports JPG, PNG, TIFF, GIF, and animated GIF image formats of up to 2048x2048 pixels."
10:58<grawity>Lee: anyway. Give me your IPv6 address, the one you want to set up rDNS for
10:58<Lee> or 2001:470:1f0e:467::2
10:59<HoopyCat>randallman: i don't think so. i ended up splitting 2001:470:8b37::/48 into, basically, 2001:470:8b37:f100::f101:1/112 for link and 2001:470:8b37:f101::/64 for allocation, with f101, f102, f103, etc...
10:59<linbot>New news from forums: Silly Port Scans in General Discussion <>
10:59<randallman>HC, more inventive than me
10:59<randallman>I am choosing :0001 and :0000
10:59<Lee>I have a /48!
10:59*grawity opens named.conf
10:59<HoopyCat>randallman: i have no idea where i picked up f100, f101, etc, but probably from some howto
11:00<grawity>Lee: wait, is that one you just gave /48 or /64?
11:00<randallman>Now Im writing ip6tables :P
11:00<HoopyCat>randallman: 1111000100000000 looks cool too
11:00<randallman>THOSE are going to be AWESOME
11:00<randallman>lets see, now do I apply rules to the interface hetunnel or the interface eth3 :p
11:01<Lee>grawity: /64
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11:01<HoopyCat>randallman: remember, ip6tables-save and ip6tables-restore :-)
11:01<grawity>Lee: What will be the secondary nameservers?
11:02<Lee>grawity: I have no idea about this.
11:02<randallman>hc, indeed :0
11:02<grawity>Lee: I think you can use Linode's servers for that.
11:02<Lee>grawity: I suppose. This is new to me.
11:02<HoopyCat>randallman: when i found ip6tables-*, my response was approximately about how i'd respond to "oh cute, a matching set of salt and pepper shakers"
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11:03<randallman>well now, until I setup the autoconfigure stuff
11:03<randallman>I wont know the destinations
11:03<grawity>Lee: And the primary nameserver's address? (hostname, I mean)
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11:04<Lee>grawity: I have a headache. Can you make this go -> ipv6addr ->
11:04<HoopyCat>randallman: one of these days, i'm going to move from radvd to dhcp6 and do some dynamic ptr action
11:04<randallman>rndc your hidden master
11:05<randallman>it uses rndc
11:05<erikh>since when?
11:05<randallman>well NDC protocol :P
11:05<randallman>not the binary
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11:05<erikh>it can also use DNSSEC
11:06<randallman>oh? ill check it out
11:06<A-KO>has anyone here ever setup 802.1x with wpa2?
11:08<grawity>Lee: Not sure if I got everything correctly - but should help.
11:08<HoopyCat>A-KO: as a client, yes, and i think that stands alone as a big huge accomplishment
11:08<A-KO>I'm looking at implementing it on my network :P Just to play with it, I almost never see it used anywhere
11:09<A-KO>in fact, I've never seen it used anywhere
11:09<A-KO>don't really know people that have set it up, either. Most wireless networks I've seen use shared keys...
11:09<A-KO>just messing around with it 'cause I'm bored
11:09<A-KO>and it would be buttloads more challenging than the stuff I do at work..
11:09<randallman>At work we do, but I didn't build that - network guys did :P
11:09<randallman>and we use a cisco solution
11:10<randallman>I believe its radius behind the scenes
11:10<A-KO>yeah, it is
11:10<randallman>the 2008 server replacement for IAS (which is a bitch to setup)
11:11<randallman>the 2008 server radius daemon is quite feature rich believe it or not.
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11:11<A-KO>well, we've been working with a lot of wireless stuff at work--right now using shared keys for everything
11:11<HoopyCat>A-KO: uses it, which was fun to figure out, especially as the "YOU'RE CONNECTING TO THE WRONG NETWORK: DO THIS INSTEAD" documentation said "Linux: Call the helpdesk for info"
11:11<A-KO>lol HoopyCat
11:11<Lee>grawity: ?
11:11<randallman>1x lets you setup remediation networks etc...
11:11<randallman>but we just enforce domain membership and credentials
11:11<grawity>Lee: Seems okay.
11:13<HoopyCat>A-KO: i can see why people use either shared keys or the authentication redirectomatic pages
11:13<HoopyCat>but indeed, my coffee is empty; time to go buy lumber
11:14<jkwood>I lumbered urmoms coffee
11:14<Lee>grawity: Stopping domain name service...: bind9Failed: Bad server label.
11:14<Lee>Opening socket /var/cache/pdnsd/pdnsd.status waiting for pid 4651 to die waiting for pid 4651 to die waiting for pid 4651 to die waiting for pid 4651 to die
11:14<Lee>Starting domain name service...: bind9 failed!
11:14<grawity>Lee: you could just rndc reload :\
11:14<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
11:15<A-KO>I can't find my iphone usb cable--my luck I'll go buy a new one, and find the old one
11:15<A-KO>but I searched my pants, my backpack, my desk, my desk at work, and my car...
11:15<Lee>grawity: Now ya tell me. Anywho, I messed up the named.conf.local but fixed it
11:15<A-KO>and it's a no-go.
11:15<A-KO>so it's safe to assume it might be gone
11:15<jkwood>I searched urmoms pants
11:15<A-KO>I'm sure she was happy
11:16<grawity>Lee: Strange. is refusing the queries
11:16<grawity>Lee: Wait, you have access to ns1?
11:16<Lee>grawity: Idk. If ns1 = radian, I don't think so. I told you I didn't understand this shit
11:16<A-KO>What are you setting up?
11:17<grawity>Lee: Then... to what server did you put the config I pasted?
11:17<grawity>A-KO: IPv6 rDNS
11:17<Lee>grawity: ns2 (iff)
11:17<grawity>Lee: Okay, that one works: dig -x 2001:470:1f0e:467::2
11:18<grawity>Lee: however, someone will have to configure ns1
11:18<grawity>Lee: And then configure ns2 as the secondary server
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11:18<Lee>grawity: I'll try and bribe Cobi to do it. And ns2 is my server
11:19*grawity already forgot how to configure bind as a secondary ns :(
11:19<praetorian>chocolate with poprocks in it
11:19<tanto>hey friends, how's it going?
11:19<Lee>grawity: Bind already was a secondary NS
11:19<Lee>Crispy did it, iff has been for a while now
11:20<grawity>Lee: It's per-zone, or something. Iff is still secondary for or whatever, but primary for your rDNS
11:20<Lee>Oh, well
11:20<Lee>Do I need 2 NSes?
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11:21<grawity>Lee: You do.
11:21<Lee>grawity: And you don't have a server?
11:21<grawity>I do
11:21<randallman>I see now why I should not have used :0000: for my main lan, there are fewer digits in the resultant typed IP address than the :0001: network :)
11:21<grawity>It's just not part of Cluenet.
11:21<Lee>grawity: So you can't do it?
11:22<BarkerJr>all zones need two NSes on two different networks
11:22<Lee>Maybe I can bribe fahadsadah to do it!
11:22<Lee>Oh gods, he's here too?
11:22<Lee>Eeh, never again shall I /name in a channel of 314 people.
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11:25<Lee>Psst, HoopyCat: 15:25 grawity:» Lee: Or... does Linode not provide a slave DNS service?
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11:31<randallman>ip6tables --state INVALID doesnt work so good with radvd
11:31<tanto>we got a new ticketing system at work last week
11:31<tanto>it's unusable with chrome =(
11:32<fahadsadah>Lee: I'm everywhere
11:32<fahadsadah>Almost literally.
11:33<azaghal>tanto: IE?
11:33<fahadsadah>I'm in 202 channels across 8 networks.
11:34<azaghal>Erm... Ok, what for?
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11:34<randallman>Well how about that, radvd just 'works'
11:36<avar>My linode crashed with an smp error in the kernel:
11:37<avar>I was running on debian testing 2.6.32-x86_64-linode11
11:38<megatron27>there's already a book on ipad programming :O
11:42<tanto>azaghal: no it was made for firefox i guess
11:42<tanto>we all use macs
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11:54<TLKit><megatron27> there's already a book on ipad programming :O
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11:54<TLKit>Is it _that_ diff. from the iPhone SDK shit?
11:54<TLKit>I mean, I know there are extra screen thingy-magigs and blah and stuff, but eh.
11:55<megatron27>"""If you’re an experienced iPhone developer, iPad Programming will show you how to write these outstanding new apps while completely fitting your users’ expectations for this device."""
11:55*TLKit looks around.
11:56<Daevien>god the connection here at work sucks. pandora just bitched at me that my connection sucks so bad it can't meet the min speed currently
11:56<megatron27>ROFL? pandora can even run on dial up
11:56<TLKit>Though, that screen size would be damn nifty with those shitty applications in the store for the iPhone where you had to use tweezers to use it!
11:56<megatron27>is it tha tbad?
11:57<Daevien>it's dsl but capped to shit dsl. ax transfer is about 1.5mbit on a really good day. so couple people browsing = gone
11:57<randallman>2 identical machines
11:57<Daevien>msg was that it needed a 64k conneciton min, you are currently doing 26k
11:57<randallman>one is getting radvd autoconfigured, one is not
11:57<randallman>wonder what gives :)
11:57<megatron27>is beer sweet...
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11:59<Daevien>only real thing the ipad has that sort of interests me over my toshiba laptop is battery life. toshiba is dual core 1.6, 2gigs of ram, 120gb hd, intel wireless, dvd burner, firewire, etc. gets about 2 hours of battery life and the battery is fairly old
12:00<randallman>My craptop has had it
12:00<amitz>ipad doesn't run linux..
12:00<Daevien>but i can run whatever i want on the toshiba, currently crunchbang 10 beta, which works very well
12:00<randallman>1.6ghz centrino
12:00<ericoc>you can't replace the battery on the iPad, can you?
12:01<Daevien>prob not
12:01<randallman>I think I may just grab a nettop
12:01<randallman>I really do not need a full sized laptop
12:01<megatron27>what's a nettop
12:01<randallman>Like that mini-9 was
12:01<randallman>yeah sorry
12:01<Daevien>toshiba is a 12" screen, it's a u200. couple years old. works nice though
12:02<randallman>my dell is a 12" screen
12:02<megatron27>I'm waiting for the Android based clones of the iPad to arrive
12:02<Daevien>even after it went over the demagnetizer it works nice :p
12:02<randallman>but the batteries are starting to suck
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12:03<amitz>do the people in america's got talent realize that the US$1 million dollar is to be paid across 40 years?
12:03<megatron27>wtf? really? 40 years? oh man that sucks
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12:04<Lee>That's a whopping $25k a year
12:04<megatron27>if you live that long
12:04<amitz>yeah, it's on the credits part of every episode. Those people talk about getting a ferrari or things like that...
12:04<Lee>What happens if you die before the 40 years are up?
12:05<megatron27>someone will pass it to you in heaven
12:05<megatron27>where US dollars don't mean much
12:05<megatron27>but it's the thought that counts
12:05<amitz>not sure but I fear the evil corporation will say it's inheritable...
12:07<Trystan>would be fucked up if it wasnt
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12:10<randallman>Damnit to hell, I have one machine on my LAN that wont v6 autoconfigure :)
12:12<amitz>oh wait, a bit googling shows that you can elect to take the full amount immediately but only as much as the PV (Present Value) of those payments over the years.
12:14<amitz>Given the revenue of those episodes, they won't be that worse off if they pay a full US$1M. Greedy bastard.
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12:26<HoopyCat>Lee: add a new zone in the linode dns manager, but instead of "master" for type, choose "slave" --> slave zone
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12:27<HoopyCat>i do believe there are organizations out there that will buy such annuities for a lump sum
12:28<SOx>Is it possible to mount a newly created filesystem without rebooting the linode profile?
12:29<HoopyCat>SOx: nope; the image->device map is only passed in on boot
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12:30<SOx>Right, thanks HoopyCat. That's what I thought, wondered if there was a 'creative' work-around ;)
12:30<Zolomon>Hello! How can I enable bash completion in ubuntu 9.10?
12:30<HoopyCat>SOx: add a second linode, mount the image there, and then nfs mount it from the first linode. :-)
12:31<HoopyCat>Zolomon: apt-get install bash-completion (if i recall correctly)
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12:31<SOx>HoopyCat: Ha, yes that's an option ;) Cheers
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12:35<Zolomon>Thanks :)
12:36<Zolomon>How do I set LC_ALL and LANGUAGE to sv_SE.UTF-8 for example?
12:36<randallman>Ok so what type of delay should I expect after I add a zone slaved to the DNS Manager?
12:37<HoopyCat>randallman: the usual new zone delay for the initial pull (~15 minutes); however, updates use the normal notify/axfr method and are pretty fast. (remember to allow axfrs from and to send notifies to ns1->
12:38<Daevien>Zolomon: on debian its dpkg-reconfigure locales
12:38<Daevien>so prob woudl wokr on ubuntu as well
12:38<randallman>where's the docs on the allow-axfr and also-notify hosts?>
12:38<Daevien>assuming locales is installed, might want to check that first, the default debian node doesn't have it i know
12:39<randallman>its not just ns1 through ns5 right?
12:40<Zolomon>Daevien, thanks - though, LANGUAGE won't get set. :/ And I get perl errors due to that.
12:40<Zolomon>(when trying to sudo apt-get install bash-completion)
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12:41<HoopyCat>randallman: you mean "what are they in the specific linode case"?
12:42<HoopyCat>randallman: i can't recall if it's documentated anywhere officially, but it's been experimentally tested
12:43<HoopyCat>Zolomon: apt-get install language-pack-sv ?
12:43<randallman>nah I was just asking where the axfr was gonna come from
12:43<randallman>and, my logs answered me after they failed :)
12:46<HoopyCat>randallman: an ounce of laziness and logtailing is worth a pound of trying to find the answer ahead of time
12:46<randallman>exactly :p
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12:46<randallman>SO now my last issue, my one host that refuses to autoconfigure
12:46<randallman>despite the fact that it sees the advs
12:46<randallman>and all of the proc sys stuff is set to accept autoconf :)
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12:48<HoopyCat>randallman: does the interface shows the ipv6 fe80:: link local address? (if not, ipv6 is disabled)
12:48<randallman>Yes, it doeth
12:49<HoopyCat>randallman: well poopstars.
12:49<randallman>That's what I said
12:49<randallman>btw, my win7 box didnt seem to autoconf with the EUI
12:49<randallman>it just picked something and didnt set the unique bit
12:49<jkwood>Did you literally say that?
12:49<randallman>but it works
12:50<randallman>whereas one of my ubuntu mythheads wont figure it out :)
12:50<randallman>the other did :)
12:50<HoopyCat>the ipv6 configuration flowchart in my head has a diamond with that question in it; no leads to an lsmod check, yes leads to "well, poopstars"
12:50<randallman>I bet I could manually config it
12:50<randallman>lets try
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12:51<randallman>Manually adding the v6 addr worked
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12:51<randallman>granted I used the wrong one :)
12:51<randallman>per-se, but
12:52<randallman>Oh so NOW its gonna get an autoconfig'd addr
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12:52<randallman>What an ass
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12:52<randallman>I even rebooted it
12:53<randallman>after update
13:02<randallman>Ahh drat, stuck on The 'Professional' Certificate @ he since I dont have AAAA enabled DNS servers :(
13:02<randallman>I could mess around and fix that..
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13:03<HoopyCat>randallman: i actually have a specific domain for that...
13:03<randallman>I was going to open up query on two dns servers temporarily
13:04<HoopyCat>randallman: in fact, it's my only remaining domain with godaddy
13:04<randallman>but if you're feelin like sharing the name with me so I can omit the test :-)
13:06<HoopyCat>randallman: ... lemme know what zone to slave and from where and you'll be bobby's uncle
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13:07<randallman>hummity hum hum hum
13:07<randallman>still gotta get up in ip6tables, sec
13:07<randallman>Im hand generating this address
13:07<randallman>for the obstinent host :0
13:08<randallman>Oh this box is networkmanagered
13:08<randallman>maybe that's the issue
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13:16<randallman>ok almost there HC :)
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13:35<HoopyCat>randallman: gotta go degrease the grill; e-mail teh infoz to, expect axfrs from... 2001:470:1f06:f41::2 or
13:36*HoopyCat grabs the safety glasses and the MAPP gas
13:37<randallman>ok man
13:37<randallman>Im actually just now ready :)
13:37<randallman>que sera sera
13:39<Daevien> /me jabs himself in the eyes to try and stay awake. slowww day at work but general manage ris working so need to look busy
13:41<erikh>ask for more work
13:41<erikh>you'll pass time AND look busy; because you are
13:41<Daevien>no, this is the guy that usually adds 5x as much shit as 5 people can do on each person
13:42<Daevien>so i'll make myself look busy and still do useful stuff and not be stressed out for nothing
13:43<Daevien>he's a workaholic with no life (even though he has kids & w ife) and expect us to have no lif eoutside of work either, even if we're part time and the wages suck
13:43<erikh>dunno, generally if I make it clear I only need a few hours work, I may get a little more than that, but it's expected I won't get all of it done
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13:44<erikh>that's probably why he's the general manager and his wages don't suck
13:44<A-KO> I generally overestimate how long it takes me to do something, so that A) if something goes wrong, I have enough time to fix it, and B) it makes me look really good if I get it done sooner.
13:45<A-KO>and C) reduces stress levels and time constraints
13:45<A-KO>one underestimates how much it matters to not be stressed out when working on a project.
13:46<Daevien>A-KO: it's nice in theory. but this guy doesn't give a shit or think. "i've got time to do 5 things" means "i'll do 10 things" and he gives 20
13:46<erikh>some people like it though, for some reason
13:46<erikh>how big are "things"?
13:46<A-KO>erikh: I think a lot of people out there just need direction/etc...I usually just end up needing is enough motivation for me to work :P
13:46<erikh>I mean, if I have 20 things on my personal task list, that's 2-3 months of work generally.
13:47<erikh>I need stability
13:47<erikh>if you don't live simply, money isn't as big of an issue
13:47<erikh>err, s/don't //
13:47<Daevien>erikh: i've told him many many times i can't work on a computer til the next day minimum. and he'll take in 2 or 3 to be done before the end of the day
13:47<A-KO>Daevien: is he your boss?
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13:47<Daevien>and his timeframes are if the job takes 2 hours to do, have it done and promised to the customer in 1
13:48<Daevien>he's the highest manage rin the store, yeah
13:48<A-KO>why not leave?
13:48<erikh>yeah, i'd leave if that was really the problem.
13:48<Daevien>he's transferring to another store in just over a month
13:48<Daevien>seeing if replacement will mak eit better or worse
13:48<erikh>what kind of work is this?
13:49<A-KO>geek squad? :P
13:49<Daevien>but yeah i'm looking at other stuff too, jsut pretyt much nothing for jobs in this area, very small area and we've lsot our ferry service which eans no tourism money this year, etc.
13:49<Daevien>i'm the computer tech here
13:49<erikh>you're at IRC in a staples?
13:49<A-KO>get A+/Net+/MC-ITP and go get a real job IMO
13:50<erikh>wouldn't a computer tech at that place, like, get up and use a screwdriver and stuff?
13:50<Daevien>you make it sound slike a have more than a corner to work in and like have a chair or something
13:50<erikh>that's actually my point exactly.
13:50<randallman>ahh bugger, no let me create NS record with IPv6 target.
13:51<Daevien>our outside (non corp) dsl (which sucks) has no restrictions. and i have to use y own computer sinc ethey won't get me one for here
13:51<erikh>when I worked at a convenience store, we weren't allowed to bring chairs or stools into the building
13:51<erikh>ladders, sure
13:51<A-KO>I don't get a work computer either
13:51<A-KO>though I'm going to push for one :P
13:51<A-KO>well, work laptop anyway...
13:51<erikh>the idea being that if you're sitting you're not working.
13:51<Daevien>i'm working on 5 computers currently, at a wage that just got bumped up because minimum wage was now 1 cent higher than my wage after a year and a half
13:52<A-KO>Do you have any certifications at all?
13:52<erikh>well, if you don't like it, you know what to do
13:52<A-KO>I go mind numbing in a job where I'm doing the same thing and not figuring shit out
13:52<Daevien>nothing on paper, thats the other trouble besides the area being small
13:52*erikh personally kind of enjoyed dealing with drunks at 2am and sweeping floors
13:52<erikh>hell of a lot better than dealing with deadlines and playing corporate politics
13:52<Daevien>randallman is being a noob and won't hire me :p
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13:52<A-KO>ugh, corporate politics
13:53<A-KO>don't get me started
13:53<erikh>suddenly, minimum wage seems attractive, eh?
13:53<A-KO>I'm waiting to see how far I can get before calling someone a complete moron right in front of everyone..
13:53<A-KO>I got pretty close the other week
13:53<A-KO>I had to school someone on netbios over tcp/ip.....
13:53<MaZ->work bought me a new computer
13:54<erikh>doing a ZTM in swath, a long one, and win7 goes to sleep
13:54<MaZ->an imac :((((((((((((((((((
13:54*erikh sighs
13:54<Daevien>randallman supports an office here in this area, tey just don't hire anyone here since they got the customers they wanted :p
13:54<randallman>Oh yeah
13:54<A-KO>was super close to calling him a complete moron, but I think my interrupting him in about 30 seconds of him trying to explain something was good enough
13:54<randallman>I can hardly hire anyone in wilmington
13:54<randallman>dude I'll poke around :-)
13:54<Daevien>yeah, not hiring in the NS location now
13:54<A-KO>dude, wait
13:54<A-KO>you're in Wilmington
13:55<randallman>I really have very little influence with the business groups
13:55<randallman>A-KO yes
13:55<erikh>no, wilmington, seskatchewan
13:55<A-KO>just drive like 30 minutes up 95 to Philadelphia and get a job
13:55<A-KO>or like 1 hour down 95 to Baltimore/DC
13:55<erikh>randallman: a (bad) joke.
13:55<randallman>what are you talking about?
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13:55<randallman>I have a Job :P
13:55<A-KO>talking to Daevien....
13:55<randallman>He's in nova scotia
13:55<A-KO>makes sense now
13:55<randallman>gbut we have an office there
13:56<randallman>that supports part of our domains business
13:56<A-KO>dude Nova Scotia.....meh, I'd move somewhere far more populated....immigrate to the US and pretty much throw a rock and find a populated area to live/work.
13:56<A-KO>on the east coast :P
13:56<randallman>I dont think we're admitting any more canadians :p
13:57<randallman>Ok well whoopdie do, IM all v6 now...
13:57<randallman>now what? :P
13:57<randallman>do I get some kinda cookie? :P
13:57<A-KO>I have yet to jump on the ipv6 bandwagon
13:58<jkwood>It's hardly a bandwagon.
13:59<erikh>randallman: you get to have fun with half-broken stacks and routers
13:59<randallman>Im concerned about the F5s :p
13:59<randallman>Config is going to be come excruciatingly painful
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14:00<erikh>I can't see how it'd be any worse than v4, unless you have a ton of irules or soemthing
14:00<Daevien>it's a pain to legally work in the US without a company backing your app. and can be a pain even then
14:00<randallman>just more octets to type
14:00<erikh>and even then, it comes down to how well your irules are written
14:00<randallman>when building pools, vips, etc..
14:00<erikh>randallman: you know about v6 shorthand, right?
14:01<Daevien>and yeah, looking at options on moving as well. just a pain without certs. and getting certs on crappy pay is pretty hard to do
14:01<erikh>do you have a portfolio?
14:01<randallman>Still more unless you have a /96 and then only use the last 16 bits for addressing :)
14:01<Daevien>i've got a lot of knowledge & experience, just no certs and seems like no certs = no look at resume even
14:01<erikh>you're not hearing me
14:01<erikh>do you have examples of what you're capable of?
14:02<Daevien>haven't updated anything in a long time now, been working here fo rth elast year and before that doing php / mysql sites through someone else. before that tutoring at local college
14:02<erikh>like, material examples that people can see and work with
14:02<erikh>Daevien: if I were you, I'd make certs the secondary focus and worry about that instead.
14:02<Daevien>most of the stuff is only known to local people, which is why i have stuck around here the most. i need to get in gear and get other stuff setup to show
14:02<erikh>unless you plan on doing nothing but net and possibly sys stuff.
14:03<erikh>that's where certs really matter.
14:03<erikh>portfolios count for a lot more than I think a lot of job seekers realize.
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14:04<A-KO>yeah, they do
14:04<Daevien>i've done everythign form web design & programming to voip setups to running an isp back in the dialup days to hardware repair
14:04<erikh>now prove it
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14:04<A-KO>a buddy of mine with an AA degree went from being a comcast tech to a linux sys admin with a TS clearance all because he wrote the gui for ettercap...
14:04<erikh>get what i'm saying?
14:05<Daevien>yeah, i know what you mean. what i'm saying is that a lot of it has been local stuff or stuff that is harder to stuff i did in dallas. left there on bad terms with the idiot boss. so no help there
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14:05<jkwood>Is any of it public? As in, has a web address?
14:05<ekontsevoy>I've been sitting here for a while, waiting for my account to be activated. How much longer? I need to finish with the server today.
14:05<A-KO>Daevien: certifications can help, doing some small contract work here or there also helps
14:05<Daevien>i've been debating tryign to do some guides up for linode related stuff or getting into some other project to try and have something easier to prove and known
14:05<erikh>well, if you've no desire to keep it current or even freshen it, you ill do nothing but gripe here
14:05<erikh>just saying
14:05<BarkerJr>an arts degree getting a tech job?
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14:06<BarkerJr>I always thought techs were more scienctific
14:06<erikh>sure; I've had two bosses with liberal arts degrees.
14:06<erikh>who were also programmers.
14:06<erikh>half-decent ones.
14:06*jkwood summons caker
14:06<BarkerJr>is that cause arts don't pay well?
14:07<ekontsevoy>Anyone from Linode here?
14:07<erikh>no, because if you're doing what you enjoy you'll find a way to get paid to do it
14:07<A-KO>Daevien: I'd suggest maybe looking at certifications or something, if you don't have "professional" references it's going to be very hard to get a tech job, depending on where it is and who you interview with.
14:07<Daevien>jkwood: most of it was internal stuff and the boss has pissed off a fair numebr of people with his side venture of hosting telemarketers on voip stuff :p
14:07<BarkerJr>then why do they have all these arts charities?
14:07<BarkerJr>are we giving money to artists who are lazy?
14:08<Daevien>hard to pay for certs without any job or with a shitty job, it's kind of a catch 22 there
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14:08<Daevien>it's sort of like if i went ot the local college. since my father works there, they would pay for second semester of something. but to do that, i need to be living with him. if i live with him i get no loan for the first semester lol
14:08<erikh>I have a present for you
14:09<jkwood>pparadis: ping
14:09<erikh>Daevien: I got my first full-time programming job with this program:
14:09<erikh>wrote it while I was working at a convenience store
14:09<erikh>you're either full of excuses or you aren't
14:09*erikh has a GED.
14:10<A-KO>Daevien: Pick up some books, they're relatively cheap--you can get some second-hand ones on Amazon, fire up some virtual machines, and learn stuff..... :P
14:10<Daevien>programming isn't really a strongpoint for me, i can muddle through php / mysql / perl but i'd need to do a lot to make that primary focus. i know what you are saying though
14:10<A-KO>it's really easy for the most part
14:10<Daevien>a-ko: i've got plenty of knowledge, it's proving tha tknowledge i need to do
14:10<Daevien>and for osme of it, updating it
14:10<BarkerJr>I got my full time programming job cause I had an internship
14:11<BarkerJr>I got my internship cause my teacher recomended me
14:11<A-KO>I got my job because I got recommended by a friend 5 years ago and I've slowly moved up within the company--now I could pretty much take my title, CV, and leave, and probably boost my pay by 50%
14:11<Daevien>i'm 31. at 17 i setup and ran an ISP and before that i had been into BBS for a while and made some money from that.. experience i've got, it's just all local stuff for the most part
14:11<A-KO>if I wanted, but I enjoy my coworkers.
14:12<A-KO>Yesterday we had a scheduled meeting from 10:30A-1:30P that in actuality was a trip to the local movie theater to see clash of the titans :P
14:12<Daevien>i like the co-workers here and the first while the boss wasn't bad either, but then he went crazy or something and pissed a lto of us lately. we've lost or are abotu to lose 5 people in the last couple months
14:13<erikh>look at the code
14:13<erikh>it's a sinful pile of crap that I wouldn't recommend to anyone
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14:13<erikh>but, the guy I was working on it with said, "you know, you shouldn't be working at a convenience store"
14:13<Daevien>far as virtual machine,s yeah thats one thing i've done. nuked my xen server the other night, will install esxi tonight/tomorrow on the hardware to get experience with it now
14:13<erikh>and happened to know someone else that needed a junior programmer.
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14:14<BarkerJr>I also think that my work on eggdrop irc bot helped get me in, as well
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14:14<BarkerJr>the interviewers were real interested in my work on it
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14:15<A-KO>I'm not a huge fan of programming fact, I downright hate it most of the time
14:15<A-KO>I spend too much time trying to figure out a more efficient way of doing something than actually accomplishing anything
14:16<erikh>code samples > * when I'm interviewing someone
14:16<BarkerJr>it's that the point of programming and computers in general? making something more efficient?
14:17<erikh>not only do they give me an idea of how clean they write, I can print it out and talk to them about it in the interview.
14:18<BarkerJr>isn't the entire point of computers to eliminate employees?
14:18<BarkerJr>to increase unemployment?
14:19<BarkerJr>that way the people with doctorate degrees can be replaced with computer software, and they can do something more important with their lives, like asking if the customer wants fries with that
14:19<BarkerJr>on that high note, I'm off to easter parties, bbl
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14:40<Caelum>where do I change the kernel
14:42<Caelum>never mind
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15:32<thegodlikehobo>y helo thar
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15:33<Lee>Hmph. Crap.
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15:37<Lee>Anyone here good with IPv6?
15:39<HoopyCat>is that a beer? if so, yeah
15:39<HoopyCat>!wx kroc
15:39<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 86.0F/30C, visibility 10 miles, wind 16.11 mph (altimeter: 29.78) [KROC 031854Z 19014KT 10SM BKN250 30/07 A2978 RMK AO2 SLP080 T03000067]
15:39<Lee>HoopyCat: :D
15:40<erikh>HoopyCat: I have 4 George Washington Porter's here. I will drink them while thinking of you.
15:40<erikh>(really, it's a very good beer if you can get at it up there)
15:40<Lee>HoopyCat: Me wants to use my routed /64 to delegate IPv6 addresses to my VPS so I can do real rDNS .. How? :<
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15:41<HoopyCat>Lee: attach the addresses to eth0, then tell your application(s) to use that ip
15:41<Lee>Wha, how?
15:41<linbot>New news from forums: Question about chmod 777 vs 744 for images in General Discussion <>
15:42<randallman>So as best as I can figure, this host that wont autoconfigure.... autoconfigures INTERMITTENTLY
15:43<randallman>and actually I think it works when I use tcpdump :)
15:43<randallman>which throws the nic in promiscuous mode of course
15:43<@pparadis>jkwood: pong
15:43<jkwood>pparadis: Had someone wondering about their activation a while ago.
15:45<HoopyCat>Lee: iface eth0 inet6 static\naddress 2001:ur:mom:is:dead:beef\nnetmask 64... roughly, same as you'd add a private IP to eth0
15:45<Lee>pparadis: Boob.
15:45<@pparadis>inspiring nick
15:46<Lee>pparadis: Ilu.
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15:47<Lee>New steam UI is hot..
15:47<TheJoe>No it's not
15:48<randallman>Yup that's it!
15:48<randallman>ICMPv6 Router Discovery works if I am in promisc mode
15:48<randallman>thats not helpful
15:48<HoopyCat>randallman: weird
15:48<randallman>Gotta be a nic driver thing perhaps?
15:49<randallman>01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)
15:49<randallman>(From an intel atom mobo)
15:49<Lee>Psst, randallman!
15:49<randallman>Yes, Lee?
15:49<Lee>Hi. Can you help me set up my routed /64 to make IPv6 addresses that I can actually rDNS?
15:50<randallman>Isnt that what the fine folks in the channel have been doing?
15:50<Lee>I have bind set up to rDNS, but doesn't do rDNS for client IPv6 addresses
15:50<Lee>I'm lost
15:50<randallman>you just need to add addresses to eth0
15:50<Lee>And you helped me get unlost earlier
15:50<randallman>which are part of that /64 that is labeled as the 'routed /64'
15:51<randallman>so just add that only before the /, make it a 1
15:51<randallman>and then setup rdns for that network
15:51<randallman>sure whatever
15:51<randallman>whatever makes ya happen
15:51<Lee>But how do I add it to eth0?
15:51<randallman>iface eth0 inet6 static address 2001:470:1f07:7e0::1/64
15:52<randallman>in the /etc/network/interfaces
15:52<randallman>then you'll need to tell irssi to source from that addr
15:52<randallman> /set hostname = YOURETH0IP
15:53<Lee>So that belongs to eth0 instead of my hetunnel iface?
15:53<randallman>the address in the routed /64, yes
15:53<randallman>leave the hetunnel def alone
15:54<Lee>19:54 hostname = = 2001:470:1f0f:467::1337
15:54<Lee> 19:54:38 up 21 days, 4:13, 4 users, load average: 0.54, 0.32, 0.21
15:54<Lee>Look at those fail load averages.
15:55<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 88% full (mere moments remaining). Last emptied Wednesday at 09:30 EDT, last full Wednesday at 00:30 EDT after running for 7.4 days.
15:55<HoopyCat>there's a useful statistic
15:56<Lee>--- 2001:470:1f0f:467::1337 ping statistics ---
15:56<Lee>3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2009ms
15:56<randallman>From where to there?
15:57<randallman>ip -6 addr show, does eth0 have that address?
15:57<Lee>3: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qlen 1000
15:57<Lee> inet6 fe80::fcfd:48ff:fe0e:bd2f/64 scope link
15:57<Lee> valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
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15:58<Lee>randallman: I bribe you.
15:59<randallman>you need to add it
15:59<randallman>just putting it in the file doesnt cut it
15:59<randallman>ifconfig eth0 inet6 add $ADDR/64
16:00<Lee>ifconfig eth0 inet6 add 2001:470:1f0f:467::1337/64
16:00<Lee>This is always made harder
16:01<erikh>I always promised myself if I got letter tattoos on my fingers, they would be D-E-A-D B-E-E-F
16:01<HoopyCat>ip addr add 2001:470:asdfasdf:urmom:1337/64 dev eth0
16:01<HoopyCat>or something like that
16:01<Nivex>Lee: ip addr add ... ^^^ what HoopyCat said
16:02<HoopyCat>speaking of which
16:02<Lee>lee@Iff:/etc/bind$ ip -6 addr add 2001:470:1f0f:467::1337/64 eth0
16:02<Lee>Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "eth0" is a garbage.
16:02<Nivex>Lee: you forgot the "dev" before eth0
16:03<HoopyCat>off to buy ice cream and steak
16:03<Lee>I did that myself before I saw that
16:03<Lee>Irssi screen, I have to DC it
16:03<randallman>Looks like Im about 8billion bios revs behind on my NIC
16:03<randallman>err s/NIC/ION/g
16:04<Lee>Now, uh
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16:04<Lee>Now I need to fix BIND.
16:05<Lee>I think $ORIGIN is wrong. Is it?
16:05<Nivex>yeah. you want the origin to be and the first PTR record will be IN PTR ...
16:05<Lee>So wait
16:06<Lee>That then assigns it for all IPv6 IPs?
16:06<Nivex>origin is the zone
16:06<Nivex>then you have records in the zone
16:07<Nivex>so when you add f.e.e.b.d.a.e.d. later on down the line you just add another line
16:08<Nivex>it's no different than origin being and your router being 254 IN PTR
16:08<Nivex>just lots more numbers
16:09<Lee>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 29662 <- When I dig -x 2001:470:1f0f:467::1337 @ns2
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16:14<Lee>randallman: Halpz.
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16:15<Lee>Nivex: Help, it still SERVFAIL
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16:15<Nivex>too many variables for me to guess at this point :(
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16:16<Lee>I'll give ya 3 lines, tell me if I'm close
16:16<Nivex>you may need to pastebin your zone file
16:16<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
16:16<Lee>Zone file .. Would be 2001.somethingother.db
16:17<Nivex>doesn't really matter what you named it so long as named.conf referes to it
16:17<Lee>Is my named.conf.local
16:19<Nivex>actually, let's start with any errors in the log file
16:21<Lee>Apr 3 20:08:56 pub named[25444]: unexpected RCODE (REFUSED) resolving '': 2002:616b:8e6$
16:21<Lee>Apr 3 20:08:56 pub named[25444]: lame server resolving '' (in '$
16:21<Lee>Apr 3 20:08:56 pub named[25444]: lame server resolving '' (in '$
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16:22<Lee>Well, there ya go Nivex
16:26<kronos003>im trying to decide between lzma and 7za for recovery image compression. I noticed xz utils(which lzma is from) said they could change the file format at any time and thus recommended the user to keep a copy of the version of the application which compressed the archive. whats the word on all this. should i expect the same from p7zip? between lzma(xz-utils) and 7za(p7zip) which would be better?
16:26<Lee>..Kronos? Really?
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16:27<Lee>randallman, Nivex, or HoopyCat? :<
16:30<Lee>It's dead in here!
16:32<Lee>Apr 3 20:08:56 pub named[25444]: unexpected RCODE (REFUSED) resolving '': 2002:616b:8e60:0:b00b:dead:beef:b00b#53
16:32<Lee>Apr 3 20:08:56 pub named[25444]: lame server resolving '' (in ''?):
16:32<Lee>Apr 3 20:08:56 pub named[25444]: lame server resolving '' (in ''?):
16:33<chesty>1: use pastebin 2: don't repaste the same thing 10 minutes later
16:33<dhoss>god that's annoying
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16:33<Lee>You're annoying. It's not the exact same thing
16:34<dhoss>your mom's annoying
16:35<jkwood>!urmom has summer glau on a stick
16:35<linbot>jkwood: Yo momma's so fat, she must have been compiled with --fatroll-loops! (746:5/3) [uommr]
16:35<jkwood>!urmom vote up 746
16:35<linbot>jkwood: Voted up 746 [mmour]
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16:47<KingTarquin><LittleOne> Remind me of the uptime command again << *facepalm*
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16:55<chesty>KingTarquin: reboot
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16:59<jcy>i'm reminded of that guy who would say "facehand" instead of facepalm
17:00<Nivex>for extreme fail, use *headdesk*
17:01<tanto>i say facehand
17:05<linbot>New news from forums: My sshd was bruteforced! in General Discussion <>
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17:06<draginx>OK so two of my fans aren't working on my laptop. One fan is running pretty low but my laptop isn't getting hot.
17:06<draginx>Would it be best to take it to somehting like geek squad to replace the fans? :P
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17:10<linbot>New news from forums: Please help - OSSEC security warning in General Discussion <>
17:10<Zolomon>How do I add "export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk1.4.2" to be saved forever?
17:10<Zolomon>So it won't be for just this session?
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17:17<Zolomon>Ah, thanks
17:17<chesty>but you might want to do it the old way
17:18<chesty>export JAVA_HOME
17:18<Zolomon>Will that work too?
17:18*Zolomon is an inexperienced linux user.
17:18<chesty>/etc/profile is used by lots of shells, I'm not sure all of them support export VAR=val
17:19<chesty>either way will be fine, no doubt
17:20<Zolomon>Ah, thanks. :)
17:22*bryen sighs
17:22<Zolomon>Uhm.. If I installed sun's java jdk using apt-get install, where did it install itself then..?
17:23<Nivex>be sure to visit Tony Packo's when you go looking for it :)
17:24<@pparadis>which java
17:24<jkwood>pparadis: The programming one.
17:24<@pparadis>no silly, "which java"
17:25<jkwood>"The programming one."
17:25<@pparadis>who's on first?
17:25*jkwood can play with quotation marks too
17:25<Zolomon>pparadis: The developer one? "javac"
17:25<HoopyCat>pparadis: urmom
17:25<bryen>have there been any issues with major kernel updates in recent months (say 1-2 months)?
17:25<@pparadis>pattycake ~ $ which java
17:25<HoopyCat>bryen: 2.6.32-linode23's been good for me for... 4 months now?
17:26<jkwood>Zolomon: I was messing with pparadis. "which" is a unix command that tells you what program is called, by path.
17:26<bryen>i have had all kinds of weird problems with Linode when I try to upgrade the unsupported openSUSE 11.0 image inplace to 11.2
17:26<jkwood>jk@unmotivated:~$ which java
17:26<Zolomon>oh! ^^
17:26<HoopyCat>bryen: and you're running Latest 2.6 Paravirt kernel?
17:26<ericoc>which: no java
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17:26<bryen>and I neve rhad those problems in the past
17:27<@pparadis>bryen: upgrading opensuse in place has been problematic for some (only for this version)
17:27<bryen>HoopyCat, on the linode side or on the operating system side?
17:27<@pparadis>bryen: there were some substantial changes between versions
17:27<HoopyCat>bryen: what does "uname -a" say?
17:28<bryen>HoopyCat, Linux li62-192 #1 SMP Tue Nov 10 16:12:12 UTC 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
17:28<HoopyCat>bryen: switch to Latest 2.6 Paravirt, see if life gets a little better
17:28<bryen>pparadis, yes I've been hearing complaints from some users in the openSUSE community about Linode issues, which i didn't want to believe at first because Linode has always been good to me
17:28<@pparadis>it's not just "linode" issues
17:28<@pparadis>the issues are not specific to us
17:29<@pparadis>do a google search for "upgrade opensuse 11 to 11.2"
17:29<bryen>pparadis, is there anything we can do to work together to create a new image that is optimized for Linode?
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17:29<bryen>pparadis, yes but I never had problems updating to 11.2 back in say... Nov or Dec. but I do believe some of our updates (openSUSE) are causing issues, yes
17:29<@pparadis>we're already working on new templates for all distros, which will include opensuse. should be released soon, can't promise a release date yet.
17:31<bryen>pparadis, let me know if you need help from our community.
17:31<@pparadis>honestly, there really isn't much "optimizing for linode" involved with any distro. we start with a very minimal install (similar to what you'd get from a base netinstall in debian, for example) and add a few common packages that most customers find useful in a base image.
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17:31<HoopyCat>pparadis: any of the 11.2 stuff you've heard of related to the kernel? (e.g. would paravirting be a good idea?)
17:32<@pparadis>i can say this: most modern linux distros are starting to require the paravirt kernel
17:33<HoopyCat>i can also say this insipid winter beer that my wife inadvertently fetched from the fridge is a lot better today than it was in the winter
17:34*bryen switching to paravirt
17:34*bryen creates an advertisement "We secretly switched this winter beer with a spring beer. Let's see what HoopyCat has to say..."
17:36<HoopyCat>it's still a bottle of ass with overtones of cinnamon and hallucinogenic quantities of nutmeg
17:36<HoopyCat>but it's cold and i am hot
17:36<bryen>HoopyCat, YOU MY HEEEEERO!
17:37<bryen>You my gaseous fart underneath my wings,
17:37<HoopyCat>i'll consider that a compliment, but i hope you don't feel offended if i leave it off of my testimonials page
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17:38<Zolomon>If I want to set JAVA_HOME to the path where my jdk installed itself, is /usr/liv/jvm/java-6-sun- the correct path then?
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17:41<@pparadis> <-- ;)
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17:42<bryen>if pparadis could insert adsense into his lines, he could make as much money as Google :-)
17:43*pparadis goes to write an adsense insertion bot
17:44*HoopyCat downloads a urmom insertion bot from a CS101 intro-to-programming examples page
17:44*bryen shakes head... Kids today....
17:45<HoopyCat>important announcement follows in 15 seconds:
17:45<jkwood>I spent 15 seconds with urmom.
17:46<Lee>pparadis: Ilu
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17:47<jkwood>!urmom is grilling steaks iykwim
17:47<linbot>jkwood: Yo momma's so fake, Mythbusters did an episode on her! (742:7/0) [muorm]
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17:48<TimothyA>they actually did...
17:50<HoopyCat>p.s. if your smoke alarm doesn't do the three-beeps pattern that is reserved for "zomg fire", you may wish to replace it... i just spent a good 60 seconds standing here trying to figure out what that loud beeping was
17:50<jkwood>HoopyCat: Doesn't that mean /dev/wife is cooking?
17:51<HoopyCat>naw, it was from a few houses down
17:51<HoopyCat>all of ours are the new style... speaking of which, the steaks are donnnne
17:51<bryen>question about that kernel selection. Are the images specifically choosing which kernel to use by default or are all images using the "stable" kernel by default?
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17:57<linbot>New news from forums: Unable to boot with hardened-sources in General Discussion <>
17:57<Zolomon>Darnit, it's hard to get Charva workin'.
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18:01<Zolomon>How come I can't cd to a certain direction?
18:02<Zolomon>How can I change the permissions?
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18:03<Zolomon>SpaceHobo: Yes, it's in my home dir, I uploaded it via ftp. :)
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18:03<@pparadis>Zolomon: "su - root & chown -R username:username /home/username
18:03<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
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18:04<@pparadis>!library sftp
18:04<linbot>pparadis: 1. Limiting Access with SFTP Jails on Debian and Ubuntu ( - 2. Transfer Files with Filezilla on Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop ( - 3. Transfer Files with Cyberduck on Mac OS X (
18:04<jkwood>pparadis: ITYM &&
18:04<Zolomon>SpaceHobo: I'm a new linux user, friend told me to add another user account instead of using root - and I didn't know how to upload files except with sftp. :)
18:04<Zolomon>man su
18:04<Zolomon>woops x)
18:05<erikh>&& won't work as expected there, I don't think.
18:05<jkwood>Well, yes, you need to run as a normal user almost all the time.
18:05<@pparadis>erikh: yup
18:05<jkwood>Yeah, probably.
18:05<erikh>su - root -c 'chown -R user:group $my_path'
18:05<erikh>only without the variables
18:05<@pparadis>that works :)
18:07<pharaun>anyone else in here got to try out the jesus pad?
18:07<Zolomon>Ah, thanks!
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18:08<Zolomon>SpaceHobo: Yes, I remembered after I saw the link pparadis showed via the library. Meant sftp, sorry.
18:09<Zolomon>By the way, just want to say that I totally love Linode.
18:09<Zolomon>And its community, very helpful bunch of people. :)
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18:14<bryen>pparadis, quick question (if you have an answer) is there a way to set up payment of Linode accounts to multiple users?
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18:15<@pparadis>bryen: there is no way to automatically split up payments, but different people could use the "Make a Payment" tab to add credit to an account.
18:15<@pparadis>credit is used before billing the card on file each billing cycle
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19:16<rainkid>I have to re-process about 70,000 spam messages through Spamassassin. This script will take about a day. Should I be concerned about using too much resources (cpu time, disk IO)?
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19:20<HoopyCat>rainkid: i wouldn't sweat it... CPU is abundant, and even I/O isn't too bad as long as you aren't swap-thrashing or something silly like that
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19:21<rainkid>My thoughts exactly. Just wanted to make sure
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19:27*jkwood swap thrashed urmom's burst
19:29<HoopyCat>bob2: i totally want a "ZERO POINTS OF ARTICULATION" t-shirt
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19:42<bob2>HoopyCat: want
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19:51<HoopyCat>hmm... intake air: 80 degrees F, air conditioner at full power output air: 60 degrees F
19:52<HoopyCat>so it's *cooling*, but i can't recall what the normal delta-T is for a veehickular refrigeration system
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20:02<HoopyCat> <--- completely unrelated, but much more hilarious than the thought of having to repair an air conditioning system
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20:36<TLKit>I wish they sold the Coffee Revels on their own :<.
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21:17<Lee>HoopyCat: Halpz.
21:22<Lee>pparadis: ppoke?
21:23<Napta_>TLKit: hahaha. I will sort you out a bag via ebay, for an unfair amount of money
21:24<amitz>someone may have mentioned it but
21:24<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
21:24<HoopyCat>Lee: ?
21:24<Lee>HoopyCat: dig -x 2001:470:1f0f:467::1337;host 2001:470:1f0f:467::1337
21:25<Napta_>ugh, +short would have been nice :)
21:26<HoopyCat>Lee: hooray!
21:26<Napta_>prisonbreakerz eh
21:27<Lee>HoopyCat: What'd you get?
21:27<Napta_>always handy to know I suppose
21:27<HoopyCat>Lee: ptr to
21:27<Lee>HoopyCat: Glad you did, I got REFUSED
21:28<HoopyCat>Lee: off of which DNS server are you attempting to resolve?
21:28<Lee>HoopyCat: Now that I fixed my nameservers, if I resolve it off my secondary it works nicely. However, my primary is gagging on it
21:29<Lee>HoopyCat: I change to Google DNS and my nameserver works, but the secondary fails.
21:30<HoopyCat>Lee: i'm just resolving using my normal resolver ( and that works fine. what're your primary and secondary nameservers? i can't be arsed to rummage it back
21:30<Lee>HoopyCat: Uh, right now is primary, pyr...What he said
21:31<bob2>pyramid just appears to be misconfigured
21:31<Lee>Pyramid is pushing shit through the VPN.. Should I just use linode as a slave?
21:31<bob2>I mean, the dns server on pyramid appears to be misconfigured
21:32<HoopyCat>i use linode's servers as slaves; saves me the trouble
21:32<Lee>And if I should, how?
21:32<Lee>Do I just edit named.conf.local to use ns1/
21:32<bob2>to go dns manager, add slave zone, configure pyramid to allow AXFR from linode
21:32<Lee>I can't configure pyramid
21:32<Lee>Iff is mine
21:32<bob2>once ns[12345] have the zone, add NS records for them
21:32<bob2>iff then
21:33<bob2>that is, add NS records to the zone and at HE
21:33<Lee>So slave zone, allow AXFR, and set iff to the master DNS servers?
21:34<Lee>In the DNS manager
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21:34<Lee>I hit Add new
21:34<Lee>Type = slave
21:34<Lee>Now it's asking for Masters, allow/disallow AXFR, and a domain
21:36<HoopyCat>master would be the ipv4 address of your master nameserver (in this case, iff); allow/disallow axfr is a policy decision, but disallow is a safe bet. domain would be... or whatever
21:36<Lee>Oh. So != domain
21:37<Lee> 09:37:34 PM n/aACTIVE
21:38<HoopyCat>now, go make a sandwich, then eat it
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21:38<Lee>I just ate a bag of chips, I'll just hang here and wait for the 15 mins
21:38<Lee>And hope to god I configured named.conf.local right
21:38<HoopyCat>or do something else that'll take 10-15 minutes... like urmom, 30-45 times
21:39<HoopyCat>Lee: good news is that if you didn't config it right, it's a pretty easy fix once the zone is on the servers
21:39<HoopyCat>or, rather, once the servers know they should know about the zone
21:39<Lee>HoopyCat: Yeah, I think named.local is right, but my zone file had still, that should become right?
21:40<Lee>I had a fun time sitting outside earlier
21:40<HoopyCat>Lee: you'll want NS records for all of ns1 through
21:40<Lee>With Iff as the primary still right?
21:42<Lee>I now understand that "Zone file" option in the DNS manager a LOT better.
21:42<Lee>So uh, yay?
21:42<Lee>I used to wonder wtf it meant
21:42<Lee>Now I geddit.
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21:43<Lee>I'm the last one alive!
21:43<Lee>...And I have to pee, bad.
21:45<Lee>If I edit a zone, is it another 15 mins before it generates?
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21:46<HoopyCat>Lee: if you edit a zone that the dns manager has a master, yes. if you edit this one (e.g. one that the dns manager is slaving), it doesn't have to regenerate the zone and it's pretty much instant
21:47<HoopyCat>(assuming your server sends the NOTIFYs and allows the AXFRs)
21:47<Lee>HoopyCat: I meant like, it hasn't generated and I made a change. It is 15 mins from change or still 15 mins from creation?
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21:50<TLKit>HoopyCat is sexy.
21:51-!-mode/#linode [+o mikegrb] by ChanServ
21:51<HoopyCat>Lee: regeneration occurs approx. every quarter-hour
21:52<HoopyCat>Lee: if we're still discussing the slave zone you added, check iff's log files to see if your nameserver is complaining about something
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21:52*HoopyCat suddenly becomes very, very good
21:54<TLKit>I hate the UK.
21:55<HoopyCat>that's not too bad
21:55<SirSquidness>TLKit: that's some fantastic speeds right there \o/
21:55<HoopyCat>'til a couple months back, i was about 16/0.35
21:55<TimothyA>i could only dream of those speeds
21:56<TLKit>Mind if you lot do a test? I find that kinda' stuff interesting :p.
21:56<TLKit>I got a friend to do it too...
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21:57<HoopyCat>your hold music, while i test: (sfw, unless you click on the nsfw link)
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21:57<randallman>Yay crongrats Im a fscking dork
21:57<randallman>Im an IPv6 sage (at least according the Hurricane :-) )
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21:58<TLKit>HoopyCat: Lol.
21:58<SirSquidness>TLKit: 40% [==============> ] 20,254,780 1.73M/s eta 17s ^
21:59<randallman>Hoopy, FWIW - that ATOM - I installed the vendor's driver (Realtek) *and* flashed the firmware... to no avail
21:59<HoopyCat>it won't give me the .png link, but 19.80Mb/sec down, 0.61Mb/sec up, 80ms latency, distance about 8 miles
21:59<SirSquidness>got that lsat monday, before which I was on ... 3G!
21:59<randallman>but lots of poeople on the net are bitching about that Realtek being flakey
21:59<path>hey randallman
21:59<randallman>so static config has to work :(
21:59<randallman>Pat, sup!
21:59<HoopyCat>randallman: i seem to recall you discussing that with someone, but it wasn't me
21:59<Lee>2010-04-04 01:59:41 (40.8 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [104857600/104857600]
21:59<path>i was just looking at the atom stuff on newegg
21:59<randallman>HC, I recall it was you :)
22:00<HoopyCat>randallman: is it the ipv6 stuff?
22:00<erikh>anyone from the shop around?
22:00<path>i didn't see any with quad nics though
22:00<randallman>path, its a jetway....
22:00<HoopyCat>randallman: oh, right. n/m :-)
22:00<randallman>Jetway makes a board you can add a 3 nic daughter card to
22:00<erikh>the card I have on file, linked to an account that has a lot more than the amount being charged in it, is being declined for some reason
22:00<Cygnus>Good evening gentlemen according to every thing should be find, but when i do an email from johg@host.domain to jane@host.domain this s#$%&/ error prints out (mail for host.domain loops back to myself). The message is obviously s&//() i allready know that, how do i let postfix recieve that
22:00<path>i was wondering if you had a PCI card or something
22:00<Lee>Apr 4 02:00:18 pub named[7870]: lame server resolving '' (in ''?):
22:00<Lee>Apr 4 02:00:18 pub named[7870]: lame server resolving '' (in 'theshore.NET'?):
22:00<erikh>I mean, the card I've been using to pay for linodes for the last 6 months or so
22:00<Lee>And: Apr 4 02:00:18 pub named[7870]: zone NS '' has no address records (A or AAAA)
22:00<randallman>and it has a PCI card too, but 2+ port PCI cards are EXPENSIVE
22:01<path>and then if you need some weird pci riser to turn the slot 90 degrees in the case
22:01<randallman>Lee, full-o-fail :)
22:01<path>i think i have some old ones at work.. only 10/100 though
22:01<Lee>randallman: Blame HoopyCat
22:01<randallman>path, the jetway has both
22:01<randallman>a riser for the PCI card
22:01<randallman>and then also the 'daughter card'
22:01<Lee>That, and the fact my zone hasn't been generated yet, randallman
22:01<randallman>which I have no idea what that looks like since I bought it put together already ;)
22:01<TLKit>TimothyA: Wow o_O.
22:01<randallman>Never even took the lid off
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22:02<path>barebones kit?
22:02<TimothyA>TLKit: did I mention they have an monopoly on telecommunications here on this island? granted and backed by the government?
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22:02<TimothyA>and it costs 300$ USD a month?
22:02<randallman>It was the M300 chassis, w/o LED
22:02<path>i think i'll wait to see if you get your realtek issues figured out
22:02<randallman>its the OTHER board.. :p
22:02<TimothyA>and it's highly unreliable at best?
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22:02<TimothyA>if I did a test to the mainland, the ping would be at least 1 second
22:02<randallman>the Bedroom atom is the flakey one
22:03<randallman>and its super fine with v6, it just is not accepting the radvd announcements
22:03<Lee> 09:43:36 PM n/a <- Been more than 15 mins.
22:03<randallman>or rather it is, sometimes, and always if I make the nic promisc
22:03<path>weren't there two competing ways to handle ipv6 addressing?
22:03<HoopyCat>Lee: perhaps you need to add a .
22:04<HoopyCat>Lee: and it'll always say "n/a" for that, 'cuz it's a slave, and it doesn't have to regenerate the zone
22:04<Lee>HoopyCat: It hasn't generated, and it said invalid hostname when I tried it.
22:04<HoopyCat>Lee: on the IN NS line, change it to IN NS ns5.linode.cmo.
22:04<HoopyCat>Lee: on the IN NS line, change it to IN NS
22:04<Lee>Apr 4 02:04:43 pub named[8412]: client view external: zone transfer '' denied
22:05<HoopyCat>Lee: and tell your nameserver to allow to axfr the domain
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22:05<Lee>Bleh. Apr 4 02:04:43 pub named[8412]: client view external: zone transfer '' denied
22:05<randallman>path, once I got the /48 routed and all, and split it into 2 /64's for both of my LANs (wired, wireless), RADVD made it all happy
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22:06<randallman>But I've had to come to terms with the fact that my internal DNS is no longer *just internal*... Its the whole NAT vs. real IP paradigm
22:06<path>i was looking at
22:06<path>but that'd need a pci card, and case
22:06<path>i guess all together, that would exceed $200
22:06<randallman>path, that's the board that Im having issues with
22:06<randallman>not issues
22:06<randallman>but the realtek driver is messed up
22:06<randallman>like when you boot, you see it claim that the link is up twiice
22:06<randallman>which is wakward
22:07<path>time to upgrade?
22:07<randallman>in the bedroom?
22:07<randallman>I've got enough spare projects to work right now :)
22:07<randallman>I have another pair of 300GB 10k disks I need to raid 1+0 into my win7 box, which si gonna take a reinstall
22:08<Lee>randallman: HoopyCat: I would like to point out that 2001:470:1f0f:467::1337 ->
22:08<Lee>That is all.
22:08<randallman>and that ION that's thwanked.
22:08<randallman>Lee, is it working
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22:08<Lee>Yes. :D
22:08<HoopyCat>Lee: the lame server errors are safe to disregard
22:08<path>well, i'm going to hold off for the time being.. i hope to move before too long and the home lan will get some time at that point
22:08<Lee>02:07 Lee:» .rdns 2001:470:1f0f:467::1337
22:08<Lee>02:07 &Rembrandt:»
22:08<randallman>What a high TTL :P
22:08<randallman>1 whole day!
22:09<Lee>Wasn't my idea, swear on the River Styx.
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22:09<HoopyCat>Lee: you added a . at the end of, bumped up the serial, and reloaded the zone, right?
22:09<Cygnus>Anyone on my postfix isue?
22:09<TLKit>TimothyA: Where exactly do you live o_O (well... not 'exactly;)?
22:09<TLKit>Cygnus: Yeah, HoopyCat is ON your issue.
22:09<TLKit>He climbed on top.
22:10<Lee>HoopyCat: Everything but the serial and reloaded, yes
22:10<Lee>I restarted bind, and I keep forgetting the gods damned serial.
22:10<HoopyCat>i'm on your issue like i'm on... can't think of anything that i'm on quite like that, for sure
22:10<HoopyCat>Lee: don't worry, i still forget the damned serial number
22:10<randallman>where ## is 00 to 99 :)
22:10<randallman>heh I forgot a trailing dot the other day
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22:10<randallman>and one of my huge areas at work was building enterprise DNS :)
22:10<Lee>HoopyCat: ...Really?
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22:11<randallman>Path, you may also wish to consult with Jim before you buy an Atom if you intend to use it interactively
22:11<randallman>They just arent really fast at all
22:11<Cygnus>HoopyCat: Take your time and please enjoy your rums :)
22:12<HoopyCat>Lee: assuming you're the age you mentioned earlier today, yeah. :-)
22:12<erikh>ever seen that episode of family guy
22:12<HoopyCat>Cygnus: i have no rum, nor do i have the issue you're having :-)
22:12<erikh>where stewie is talking to the people in iowa
22:12<randallman>Sup Erikh :P
22:12<erikh>and he's talking about books
22:12<erikh>and movies
22:12<erikh>and they don't seem interested
22:12<erikh>then, he starts talking about CORN.
22:12<erikh>randallman: hi
22:12<HoopyCat>erikh: i have not seen that episode, but... yeah, that's iowa
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22:13<Lee>HoopyCat: 17.
22:13<HoopyCat>erikh: natural disasters are also big in iowa
22:13<HoopyCat>Lee: yup
22:13<erikh>they get tornadoes that far north?
22:13<HoopyCat>erikh: not enough, but yup. flooding is big too
22:14<Lee>HoopyCat: Thanks a ton. For everything.
22:14<HoopyCat>Lee: you don't have to be nice to me just because i'm elderly
22:14<Lee>I mean it
22:14<Lee>I been screaming at this for dayz.
22:14<path>randallman: well.. another thing i was wondering.. if one of those systems could be used for a mythbackend
22:14<HoopyCat>Lee: np. :-)
22:14<Lee>And my dad died when he was 77. You're not elderly.
22:14<randallman>yes, if it wasnt encoding
22:14<randallman>if it were hardware encoding
22:15<randallman>via USB encoder...
22:15<randallman>or say, the HD PVR
22:15<path>maybe actually get a mini-itx factor but with a real cpu
22:15<path>form factor..
22:15<randallman>Im not sure that's practical
22:15<path>me either :)
22:15<randallman>a real i7 is going to get fscking hot
22:15<erikh>zalman hd-160
22:15<randallman>the ION is where its at for backend/frontend applications
22:15<HoopyCat>Lee: fair enough. :-) i'm not as old as i feel much of the time, which is probably a good thing.
22:16<erikh>i'm telling ya, it's a nice case and takes a full-sized machine
22:16<Lee>Shit, speaking of my dad dying, the anniversary is next month.
22:16<Lee>..I think
22:16<erikh>fits in with any media equipment.
22:16<Lee>Jan, Feb, March, April, May, yep.
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22:16<randallman>by the way, flashing that atom was a real bitch - i had to get a freedos ISO and throw it onto a USB stick with Unetbootin
22:16<path>well.. i really haven't been running a linux server at home.. so i was hoping to avoid running something big
22:17<randallman>and then set legacy mode, address like floppy
22:17<randallman>in the bios
22:17<randallman>and then the USB stick was B: and the iso9660 boot 'floppy' image was A:
22:17<path>we use syslinux's pxelinux at work
22:17<path>it's real nice
22:17<randallman>to boot to dos?
22:17<path>just dd a floppy to an image file
22:17<path>yea, we have different boot images
22:17<randallman>right this was a freedos ISO
22:18<path>for the different models for bios updates and diags
22:18<randallman>ahh gotcha
22:18<randallman>I coulda pxe'd
22:18<erikh>oh, that's slick
22:18<randallman>Yeah that is slick :0
22:18<path>no more walking around with cdroms
22:18<randallman>at $work, our provisioning network is on a different VLAN
22:18<randallman>because I dont wanna mess with the citrix guys's stuff
22:18<path>we have a special image for provisioning
22:18<randallman>and thier PXE booting of winterms
22:18<HoopyCat>Lee: sucks... 'tho 77 is a pretty good age, i figure
22:18<randallman>anyone here play with GPXE?
22:19<randallman>apparently you can actually PXE boot over the internet with it :)
22:19<path>well.. we have a busybox linux image that collects the serial, mac and whatnot.. and uploads to a db
22:19<randallman>and provision fedora 12/13a machines
22:19<Lee>HoopyCat: At like 75 he was completely healthy.
22:19<path>which provisions accounts so we can do RIS/WDS
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22:19<randallman>my pops checked out at 61, granted I was 31 at the time....
22:20<Lee>I was 16.
22:20<Lee>Gtfo if I could spell
22:20<randallman>path, I had to take my RHEL satellite server and replace syslinux with a newer one for the menu.c32 stuff
22:20<Lee>Anywho, I think it's time to try on my new jeans.
22:20<path>the other nice thing about the pxelinux stuff.. once you have a repository.. you can copy them all to a usb drive and use syslinux on that
22:20<randallman>Yeah makes total sense
22:20<randallman>assuming you can get your box to boot from USB
22:20<HoopyCat>Lee: well, just remember to always put your pants on one leg at a time
22:20<randallman>that's always been quirky for me :)
22:20<path>all the dells we have support it
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22:21<path>although some of them needed bios updates for proper pxe booting.. hence the usb stuff
22:21<HoopyCat>i've heard that socks then pants is the way to go too, but i usually do pants then qtip-dry the ears and i don't wanna walk onto the wet bathroom floor with dry socks
22:22<randallman>btw, nice to see that outlook just uses ipv6 by default when its available for IMAP and SMTP
22:22<Lee>HoopyCat: Underwear, pants, shirts, shoes. No socks.
22:22<randallman>I would have thought M$ would have been behind the curve
22:22<erikh>socks? what are those for?
22:22<randallman>erikh, well if you're ever out and about and need a web proxy :)
22:22<erikh>randallman: heh
22:22<erikh>was waiting for that one
22:22<erikh>back to FFXIII
22:22<Lee>Well, this is going nowhere. Ciao.
22:23<path>so what is recommended for tuner cards?
22:23<erikh>yeah, i'd like to know as well
22:23<path>i see a lot of stuff in that category on the mythtv wiki
22:23<randallman>what do you want to do?
22:23<randallman>if you want to record HD content
22:23<randallman>and you want to get more than OTA
22:24<randallman>you *MUST* use a HD PVR
22:24<randallman>which is a component in
22:24<erikh>yeah... I found that out the hard way.
22:24<randallman>analog to digital
22:24<path>well, my HD tv picks up the . channels
22:24<path>like 81.7 or whatever
22:24<path>which i don't pay comcast for
22:24<randallman>if you just want to record what your HDTV can get WITHOUT A BOX
22:24<randallman>you can just use any old QAM-capable tuner card
22:24<randallman>but that wont work for verizon
22:24<erikh>i have one
22:24<erikh>worked fine on my verizon
22:25<HoopyCat>Lee: socks are full of win, but i digress. laters
22:25<randallman>if you just want standard def, any Hauppage PVR-series with builtin encoder will work
22:25<randallman>but you'll need an irblaster and a cable box
22:25<erikh>path: if you want, I bought a Hauppauge card that does exactly that
22:25<erikh>I want to siphon off the box with an IR blaster
22:25<randallman>since they are eliminating basic cable ready freqs on the wire...
22:25<randallman>I just bought a USB-UIRT
22:25<randallman>and the kernel drivers for it appear to have been busted
22:25<erikh>so, since (I think) we live reasonably close to each other, if you want a deal..
22:26<erikh>I have that and also an ATI tuner which is not as good but also does Clear signals
22:26<randallman>Here's the real deal tho
22:26<randallman>about 75% of what we record
22:26<path>i'm not doing anything until i move.. i'm just trying to figure a plan
22:26<randallman>is on Network TV
22:26<randallman>so even a digital antenna would get us that
22:26<erikh>ah, i see. well, I'm not going to use them
22:26<randallman>and an ATSC encoder
22:26<erikh>if you change your mind later, lmk
22:26<randallman>and they use the term encoder lightly
22:27<randallman>since you're basically just saving MPEG2-TS
22:27<path>i don't want to start buying all kinds of stuff until after settlement :)
22:27<randallman>path I just went off a bit because I got my bonus :0
22:27<erikh>not sure what that means, but none of my business.
22:27<randallman>he's buying a home :)
22:27<path>buying a house (hopefully)
22:27<path>settlement is when the deal is done
22:27<randallman>no a home :)
22:27<randallman>(this time)
22:27<randallman>your other house is a house :)
22:27<erikh>"settlement" could mean a lot of things :)
22:28<path>yea yea :)
22:28*randallman puts on his Ford Prefect hat
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22:28<path>well buying a home requires an lawyer.. hence settlement
22:28<path>requires a lawyer in my area anyhow
22:28<erikh>isn't it typically called escrow?
22:28<path>uhm.. thats part of what they do
22:29<path>collecting money from various parties and making sure the paperwork and deed is correct
22:29<path>then dispersing more paperwork and money
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22:29<amitz>for example, basement :-p
22:29<HoopyCat>wow, for only $9.95+S&H, i can have 1500 live ladybugs delivered anywhere
22:30<path>you should send some to mikegrb
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22:30<HoopyCat>path: i heard he's a real ladybug's manbug
22:30<amitz>I believe it won't take much time before someone starts sueing.
22:31<amitz>"I was surprised and burn myself".
22:32<amitz>oh. Some areas may be so expensive it's hopeless to buy a house. They buy apartment instead.
22:33<amitz>woah, I scan #linode log like it's a job or something :-p
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22:35<HoopyCat>"Only 3 left in stock--order soon."
22:35<HoopyCat>is that... 3, or is that 4500?
22:35<randallman>"Step right Up!"
22:36<path>hmm.. i suppose i could use old hardware i have now to do non-HD stuff
22:36<path>and that'd probably be fine
22:36<randallman>Well my frontend in the livingroom is an Athlon 2200
22:36<randallman>with some arbitrary amount of memory
22:36<randallman>and it drives a 1080p display
22:36<randallman>with SD content
22:36<randallman>it sucks with the music screensaver GL things :)
22:36<path>i'm thinking about a backend box with a tuner card to store tv shows
22:36<randallman>but it does have a fanless nvidia
22:37<path>then do some atom for the frontend
22:37<randallman>well remember, if the hardware is encoding, its not hard work for the backend...
22:37<randallman>the only ''hard work'' is the comflagging
22:37<randallman>and its not hard word :) ANd also single threaded... so with today's 4 core procs...
22:37<randallman>my linux workstation is my myth backend and my KVM server :)
22:38<randallman>(and DNS... but that may change onto the firewall... it was DHCP too, but no longer0
22:39<path>i just looked.. i got some old box that has an amd athlon 64 3200
22:40<path>one of my parents old computers.. which has been sitting collecting dust
22:40<randallman>that'd do just fine
22:40<randallman>the STD Def output is about 2.2 GB/hr
22:40<randallman>just FYI
22:40<randallman>from a hauppage PVR 150
22:41<HoopyCat>"The accident occurred about 1:50 p.m. near a Holiday Inn Express at 2835 Monroe, said Lt. Robert Cline. A sedan was about to turn into the Holiday Inn Express lot when an eastbound sport utility vehicle struck the sedan, Cline said."
22:42<path>hmm.. 2TB drive for $150 on newegg..
22:42<path>that's not too bad
22:42<HoopyCat>there's a joke in there somewhere, i just know it
22:42<path>i dunno if that box even has SATA or not
22:43<path>but i suppose i could get something going without putting too much out
22:44<randallman>path, Its volatile data too
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22:44<randallman>I raid the pair of 500s internally for mp3 and such
22:45<randallman>but the 1.5TB drive is a standalone for TV :)
22:46<path>i've been using itunes for a long time now.. so my library isn't really pure mp3 anymore
22:46<path>it's also not that big
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22:47<pling>is there a sales phone number for linode?
22:48<path>had to try
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22:48<path>there is a contact page on the website with a phone number
22:48<randallman>path, you fail
22:48<randallman>iTunes? :P
22:48<path>the office may be closed
22:48<randallman>Its a decent client I suppose
22:48<pling>i've tried that page but it seems like corporate number and no one answered
22:48<bd_>Note that the phone line may not be open outside of normal business hours. Unless array is logged into the PBX thing at the time...
22:48<randallman>I use it to get data on and off the IPod
22:49<pling>so no 24hrs sales and support?
22:49<path>pling, employees usually come and go from this channel though
22:49<bd_>pling: 24hr support is via the ticket system
22:49<path>you can email and someone will probably get back
22:49<pling>k, thanks path, I'll give that a try
22:50<pling>so you all have been happy with their services?
22:50<path>if you hang out here, someone may pop in too
22:50<randallman>THIS IS MY LINODE
22:50<path>i've been a linode customer for two years and i'm very happy
22:50<pling>huh? your irc chat?
22:51<pling>path, what setup do you have?
22:51<randallman>(it was a joke, reference to a military mantra)
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22:51<path>also, i think is better webchat than the ones on linode's site
22:52<pling>just got disconnected... lol
22:52<Cygnus>HoopyCat: Thx, your nonexistent rum did the trick, everything was fine on postfix, a damn typo on /etc/myorigin :(
22:53<randallman>path, I think Im going to implement LDAP auth here :P
22:54<path>that's crazy talk
22:54<randallman>It is
22:54<randallman>you're totally right :0
22:54<randallman>for ONE user
22:54<pling>anyone around here run intense database apps with linode? around 2000 queries/sec... some simple joins and some more complicated outer joins with avg and sums
22:55<randallman>pling, I have not...
22:55<bob2>sounds like it'd depend on your working set size
22:55<randallman>indeed, amongst other things
22:55<HoopyCat>Cygnus: glad i could be of service :-)
22:55<pling>about 600,000 record set
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22:55<bob2>that's not a useful size
22:56<bob2>how much space on disk
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22:56<pling>ic, about 1Gig database size
22:56<HoopyCat>pling: it's all in reducing the I/O and being realistic about memory needs. you're going to want to cache that something fierce.
22:56<HoopyCat>(e.g. the 360 probably won't cut it :-)
22:57<path>but you can expirement and try different sizes if you can test the load
22:57<bob2>well a 1080 will cost you a couple of dollars to try out for a day
22:57<path>everything is prorated to the day
22:57<Cygnus>pling: Average numbers, you are serving your full dataset every 30 sec?
22:57<pling>understood about caching but much of our queries are very specific to geographic regions and it is very scattered
22:58<Cygnus>Divide and conquer
22:58<bob2>well, you need to a lot more planning than random people on irc can do ;)
23:00<randallman>Hmm to setup openvpn or not
23:00<pling>lol, just wanted to get a general feel for if database instense apps are being hosted with the VPS enviornment
23:00<randallman>I never have...
23:00<randallman>Not sure what I'd actually dow ith it
23:00<randallman>ssh meets my needs
23:00<path>connect your droid from where ever
23:00<bob2>heavy io is the thing that suffers most from virtualisation
23:00<randallman>path, to what?
23:00<randallman>my private network at home?
23:01<randallman>I've done the whole phone ssh client thing, not interested :p
23:01<pling>well, thank you all for pitching in... have a great night
23:01<path>pling: good night
23:01<randallman>pling I would say yeah, SOMEONE is running heavy databases on linode :)
23:01<randallman>Im just not one of them
23:02<randallman>is anyone running an Oracle RAC cluster? I'd guess not...
23:02<randallman>but high volume pg, mysql, etc.. sure
23:02<pling>lol, k, thanks for the input
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23:03<path>randallman: set up radius and use pam to auth off that.. then get your AP to do 802.1x auth to radius
23:03*path hides
23:04<randallman>my AP doesnt do that
23:04<randallman>its a WAP54g v1.0 :0
23:04<randallman>with firmware from 2007 (the newest)
23:04<randallman>it does do AES
23:04<path>want a wrt54g?
23:04<path>i think i have an extra
23:04<randallman>no I just decom'd my wrt54g
23:04<path>it'll do it.. i think
23:04<randallman>its got whiterussian on it
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23:05<path>my tomato has the WPA/WPA2 enterprise.. but it won't do ipv6
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23:06<randallman>I could get an AP-able PCI card for the jetway
23:06<randallman>this piece of crap ralink I have will NOT go into ap mode
23:06<randallman>'gigabyte' ralink
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23:30<Cygnus>Ok, so postfix is fixed. Now dovecot is giving me some trouble, is anyone sober enough to assist?
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23:48<amitz>amitz, test
23:48<TLKit>Okay, new Doctor Who is _okay_, need a few more episodes with the guy.
23:49<@Perihelion>dr wat
23:49<amitz>the default debian squeeze color scheme is painful with irssi...
23:50<TLKit>Perihelion, srsly.
23:51<TLKit>Doctor Who.
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23:51<TLKit>There, go read... homework.
23:51<TLKit>Summary of the first episode... Timelords tucks into custard and fishfingers as he bids to secure a place in the nation's heart.
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