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---Logopened Thu Jun 10 00:00:24 2010
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00:05<Boohemian>hey Perihelion
00:06<Boohemian>just waking up (in switzerland on holiday)
00:06<@Perihelion>Jealous :(
00:07<purrdeta>Perihelion: <3
00:09<Boohemian>yeah, i love switzerland
00:09<Boohemian>took my girlfriend
00:09<Boohemian>am proposing tomorrow
00:09<waltman>ah, that explains why you're up at 6 am -- you couldn't sleep!
00:10<@Perihelion>Aww :>
00:11<@Perihelion>Well, tell us what she says!
00:11<jcy>wtf did google change their homepage to the BP oil spill
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00:13<nachtkriecher>what's the best irc bot software
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00:13<Boohemian>jcy: link? i'm in switzerland, all they say is "google"
00:13<Boohemian>walterheck: nah, we just woke up and now she's sleeping again. i have some work to do before we spend the day out
00:14<Boohemian>could you take a screenshot?
00:14<Boohemian>i just see Google Schweiz
00:20<jcy>also it seems like you can't click on anything on the page there that confirms it's the oil spill like they usually do w/ the custom logo's
00:24<Talman>US Google changed it to the oil spill, it looks like.
00:24<jcy>i can't ever remember google ever put up some utterly depressing shit like that
00:25<Talman>Doe you have "change your background image" on the bottom left?
00:25<jcy>i do
00:25<Talman>When I logged out, it gave me "curious about today's background image?"
00:25<jcy>i always assumed that was an igoogle thing
00:25<Talman>Also, I don't think this is the spill, I think its a random pic
00:26<jcy>that water looks nasty
00:27<nachtkriecher>any thoughts on what irc bot software is best?
00:28<Talman>My GF says its the everglades.
00:28<HoopyCat>it depends on which programming language was used to write the default editor in the distribution your religion endorses
00:28<jcy>oh i'm glad i'm wrong then but it's still an ungodly reminder for me
00:29<HoopyCat>nachtkriecher: linbot is a supybot. mikegrb is not a bot.
00:30<nachtkriecher>i like linbot
00:30<nachtkriecher>mikegrb is just perl scripts attached to irssi?
00:31<@mikegrb>mmm cake
00:31<purrdeta>mikebot likes his cake.
00:31<MarkJ>and he likes to laugh. lol
00:31<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
00:31<jcy>and bacon
00:33<ohkus>jcy: google just became bing
00:34<linbot>mmm bing
00:34*Perihelion bings
00:35<ohkus>MarkJ: that and a huge picture on the front page
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00:35<jcy>obligatory Bing Is Not Google
00:35<ohkus>I don't wnt pretty pictures...I want fast search
00:35<jcy>same ohkus
00:36<jcy>oh ok, now there's a link that says "curious about today's background?...."
00:37<hobot>im glad we can load hufe images on google by default
00:37<jcy>i would've been ok w/ them using this pic:
00:38<jcy>look at all those beautiful butterflies
00:38<hobot>shay=pron ahoy
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00:38<hobot>4 stars
00:38<jcy>you see porn, i see butterflies
00:38*jcy shakes his head
00:38<hobot>is there a REMOVE THIS SHIT not just change this shit option
00:40<hobot>well I guess I am not using google until they actually add the stupid shit button they say is there but is not
00:42<@Perihelion>i dont get it on opera
00:42<@Perihelion>just firefox
00:42<jcy>i get it on chrome
00:42<hobot>I dont get it in firefox
00:42<HoopyCat>i pretty much only look at the google homepage when someone mentions something's there, like a logo or something
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00:42<hobot>I get the picture in ff but not the disable the fucking picture
00:42<MarkJ>I'm not seeing it
00:43<HoopyCat>i'd probably recommend using a web browser that lets you do something like "google how to extinguish a fire" in the address bar for quick searching
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00:43<@Perihelion>which is why I <3 opera
00:43<@Perihelion>I can have a separate search per tab
00:43<HoopyCat>!google how to extinguish a fire
00:44<@Perihelion>apparently the https version of google doesnt have it
00:44<linbot>HoopyCat: pee on it
00:45<@Perihelion>Sleep happens at Mattress Warehouse, and now my house. Night o/
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00:46<SelfishMan>I'm finally going to watch The Hangover. If this is complete crap I will set fire to jed's cat
00:46*HoopyCat goes to the Mattress Warehouse and hands out fliers for the after-party at his house
00:46<jcy>SelfishMan, that movie was highly enjoyable
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00:46<HoopyCat>PLUR IS IN EFFECT
00:46<jcy>oh hey SelfishMan were you a bartender once?
00:47<SelfishMan>jcy: yes
00:47*Santo tips hat and bows
00:47<SelfishMan>I spent my time slingin' booze
00:47<jcy>you once gave me some advice about buying shots for a group of girls vs just one of them
00:47<HoopyCat>thus, santo is plur
00:47<jcy>WORKED like you wouldn't believe, thank you
00:47<Santo>heh @ Hobbsee
00:47<Santo>er * HoopyCat
00:47<Santo>yo @ SelfishMan
00:48<HoopyCat>god may be your co-pilot, but selfishman is my wingman
00:48<SelfishMan>jcy: was she worth it?
00:48-!-Santo is now known as SelfishSanto
00:48<jcy>she was a 7 but i couldn't actually go all the way through w/ it
00:48<jcy>i had to do some stuff in the morning so i had to leave at around 2:30
00:48*SelfishSanto retips hat
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00:49<@Perihelion>k now bed
00:49*SelfishSanto follows Perihelion
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00:49<hobot>took me three times to read she was A 7
00:50<SelfishSanto>hmm kapok bed?
00:50*SelfishSanto cancels following
00:51<HoopyCat>HoopyCat is now following you on IRC
00:51*SelfishMan buys and turns it into a social network
00:51<HoopyCat>16 years of banality
00:51<HoopyCat>5 followers
00:51<HoopyCat>281,682 people creeped out
00:52<MarkJ>You just became selfishman?
00:52<HoopyCat>wow, my nickname is old enough to drive
00:52<SelfishMan>"What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. Except for herpes, that'll come back and get you"
00:52<HoopyCat>and it'll be old enough to vote in the next presidential election
00:52<SelfishSanto>lurn to tak inglis well in #english :>
00:53<SelfishSanto>not so well apparently...
00:55<ohkus>I'm seeing the cheap calling rates on Gizmo5...and now I have the urge to call Pakistan, anyone got Osama's #?
00:56<HoopyCat><teabagger>+1-202-456-1414 HAHAHAHA</teabagger>
00:56<HoopyCat>... that's gonna get me watchlisted :-/
00:57<@pparadis>as if you weren't already
00:57*pparadis runs
01:00*daevien scribbles in "like a girl" to the line above from pparadis
01:00<ohkus>HoopyCat: congrats, I have just been informed that you have won an all expenses paid trip to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba...some black trucks will be there momentairly to help you claim your prise
01:01<daevien>thats what his dehumidifier really does, checks for gov't agents and starts his house to self destruct
01:03<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 63% full (about 8 hours remaining). Last emptied yesterday at 12:30 EDT, last full yesterday at 08:40 EDT after running for 21.1 hours.
01:03<HoopyCat>the clock is ticking
01:04<daevien>you really need to move out of the swamp hoopy
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01:04<ohkus>I thought that was "inscent" vaporizor was for?
01:04<ohkus>damn I'm tired
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01:16<amitz>SelfishSanto: because you rely too much on negative reinforcement in learning and teaching english. No wonder you fail.
01:17<HoopyCat>ah-ha, my wallet smells like bug spray
01:17<HoopyCat>that's why i keep smelling it
01:18<amitz>yes, I feed on love!
01:19<amitz>Perihelion: well, I wanted an exclusive right on Yaakov's love but unfortunately he isn't willing :-/
01:20<HoopyCat>speaking of which, bedtime. g'nite
01:20<amitz>nite cat!
01:21*amitz tries to enjoy his next 15 minutes before being overwhelmed by work.
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01:39<nachtkriecher>so anyone know why i lost op status on the channel i just registered?
01:39<nachtkriecher>#oftc isnt answering
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01:50<SelfishMan>nachtkriecher: /msh chanserv help
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01:51<nachtkriecher>good thing that wasnt an identify
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02:35*Talman looks at what Anime Network is playing on DirecTV and can't really find a reason to plug my DTV box into the ethernet.
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02:37<Clorith>Anime Network?
02:37<Clorith>there's a network for anime !?!
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02:38<Clorith>ooh I like their website, it's pretty easy to navigate. Is this all streaming?
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02:39<Clorith>ugh, it uses joomla :|
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02:49<XO39>I need some help
02:49<XO39>I've moved my site files and database to linode
02:50<MarkJ>go on
02:50<XO39>but I'm not sure what is the exact DNS that I should use to point my domain to Linode
02:50<MarkJ>the IP Address?
02:51<XO39>which one?
02:51<MarkJ>If you're in ssh now do ifconfig and see what it tells you for eth0
02:52<MarkJ>Or in the linode control panel, go to dashboard->network and it'll tell you
02:53<XO39>when i go to the network there are more than one ip
02:53<XO39>which one should i use?
02:54<MarkJ>if in ssh, eth0, the "inet addr" one
02:54<MarkJ>or in dashboard, whatever eth0 says
02:54<XO39>OK, I got it
02:55<XO39>in the dashboard next to eth0 ip there are some knid of link, what is it for?
02:58<XO39>OK, I have another problem, when I add or replace the DNS for my domain, it doesn't accept it and give me Nameserver ['***') doesn't exist at the registry
02:58<XO39>what does that mean?
02:58*Talman is watching the latest mythbusters, and they did an experiment where UV dye is put on Adam and then they track everything he touches after touching his nose.
02:59*Talman remembers when he was at some training and they put UV powder on one student handout, to illustrate a bio weapon attack. That stuff ended up on the cars outside, all over the class room, and at the Subway next door to the facility.
03:00<Talman>Clorith, I like Joomla. :( And yes, its Video on Demand streaming.
03:00<Clorith>I don't like joomla, and it done'st let me stream outside of america :(
03:00<XO39>Can anyone help, please?
03:00<Clorith>XO39: ae you cahnging the NS pointers or A record pointers?
03:01<Clorith>*are you changing
03:02<Talman>Clorith, I like Joomla, and I have most of the series they're streaming already. :)
03:02<XO39>I'm not sure, I'm a reseller on a shared hosting, I use the only management panel that I have, in front of each domain there is a amangement button when I click on it it tells me I have the option to set the DNS
03:02<Clorith>I'd use my nodes as proxies to watch....but I'm afraid I'd drain all the poor bandwith on them before I realised what was going on xD
03:03<Clorith>XO39: could you take a screenshot or two maybe?
03:03<XO39>OK, let me try
03:04<MarkJ>Are you trying to change the nameserver or the A record?
03:04<Talman>What control panel do you use?
03:04<Talman>WHM, cpanel, etc?
03:05<Talman>Clorith, VOD is usually through a cable or satellite probider, though.
03:05<Clorith>yeah, but I saw they had online streaming as well
03:05<Clorith>but only for americans it seems
03:05<XO39>I think I'm trying to change the nameserver
03:06<XO39>I'm not in the cpanel
03:06<Talman>Ok, what are you in?
03:06<Talman>You said that you're a reseller on shared hosting, and are using their management panel. What is the management software.
03:07<MarkJ>If you want to change the nameserver you'll need to create a profile in the linode DNS Manager. Have you done that?
03:07<Talman>(This is why, with my registrar, I point my nameservers to linode's, then must use Linode DNS)
03:07<XO39>I'm in my accont control panel, I have cpanel for every account but I'm not in the cpanel now. they will close my account as soon as i point my domanin to the new host
03:08<Clorith>yeah, you want to point the NS then
03:08<Talman>Ok, so you need to change the registrar to Linode DNS.
03:08<MarkJ>Then once you create a profile for that domain in the linode manager, you can change the NameServer records to etc thru
03:08<Talman>Who's your domain registrar?
03:08<Clorith>just enter ns[1-5]
03:08<MarkJ>That's one in each data center
03:09<XO39>siteground is my domain registrar
03:09*Clorith wonders if all 3 of us at once is confusing the poor guy xD
03:09<Talman>This isn't something that your shared hosting provider's website admin panel does, this is something from the people who you bought your domain. Make sure that you're in siteground's DNS manager.
03:09<MarkJ>siteground aren't a registrar?
03:09*Clorith steps down and lets Talman take it
03:10<MarkJ>I've never heard of them myself
03:10<Talman>Here's the help.
03:10<XO39>I bought the domain from them
03:10<Talman>Oh jesus christ that is not hte help/
03:10<Talman>THAT is the help.
03:10<Talman>(I have no idea what that gelbooru link is, someone tell me. :()
03:11<MarkJ>rofl Talman
03:11<Talman>You want to "Change the DNS settings of your domain name, XO39)
03:11<Talman>GF has me watching Strike Witches...
03:11<Talman>She's all OMG ERICA and I'm like, "Um, Lynette seems cool."
03:12<Talman>So, what's the issue, XO39?
03:12<Talman>Oooh, SItegroud is just an ENOM reseller.
03:14<XO39>when I place the the new domain, I get erroe message tells me that the servername i've entered dos not exist in the registry
03:14<Talman>What are you typing?
03:15<XO39>I put the eth0 IP
03:15<Talman>And what is it specifically asking for?
03:15<Talman>1. What is it specifically asking for?
03:17<XO39>now ther are two dns for this domain, something like: and and there is abutton to change or add new dns
03:17<Talman>Do you have 2 linodes, so that you have 2 DNS servers?
03:17<XO39>this is what they say:
03:17<XO39>The DNS settings are used to point a domain name to the server where your website is hosted. By default domains registered by SiteGround are pointed to the server where your account is located. Please change your domain DNS settings ONLY if you are sure about the new ones you enter. Wrong DNS settings will result in your website being inaccessible.
03:17<Talman>Or do you want to use the DNS servers that Linode provies and you manage through DNS in th Linode Control Panel?
03:17<XO39>No, I only have one linode
03:17<Talman>You will be using Linode DNS then.
03:17<Talman>Replace with
03:18<Talman>Do the same for, with
03:18<Talman>If it wants more, go up to ns5.
03:18<XO39>but there is a number in after sitground
03:18<XO39>it looks like this
03:19<Talman>That doesn't matter.
03:19<Talman>You will be using Linode's DNS servers. What siteground has there is irrelevant
03:19<XO39>I mean how to point to use the exact IP that linode provide to me?
03:20<Talman>It is a two stage process.
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03:20<Talman>You will tell siteground to use through
03:20<Talman>It will then be up to Linode DNS to tell the internet what the IP of your domain(s) are.
03:21<Talman>Just like with my domains, they all point to Linode DNS.
03:21<Talman>Then the Linode Control Panel has A records for my IP.
03:21<XO39>so I only have to put and
03:22<Talman>Once you do that, you're done with siteground.
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03:22<Talman>Then follow the library Corith just linked for Linode's end.
03:22<Talman>For me, an example, I buy a domain at godaddy, then point it to
03:22<Talman>After that's done, I set up domain data in the linode manager, and it works.
03:23<XO39>OK, let me give it a shot
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03:27<Talman>Also, warning: Linode DNS updates every 15 minutes.
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03:27<Talman>So, if you add records at 0232 CT, it won't update till 0245CT.
03:31<SelfishSanto>leenodah eh
03:34<XO39>So no thing will change till 15 minutes later, right?
03:35<Talman>Well, its 0234 right now.
03:35<Talman>Next update is at 0245.
03:35<Talman>So, if you did changes to Linode DNS in the linode manager at 0343, they'd go into effect at 0245.
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03:35<XO39>OK, thanks Talman and Clorith
03:36<Talman>Basically, they happen in 15 minute interals.
03:36<XO39>I'm totally new to VPS un managed hosting
03:36<XO39>I got a lot of trouble setting the server and datavase
03:36<XO39>in fact I wanted to use Nginx, but I couldn't make it work at this point, so I stock with Apache
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03:39<Talman>Go slow, use the linode library.
03:39<Talman>It'll help a lot with setting what you need up.
03:40<Talman>Also, have a deployment plan before you create your linode, or if you need to, recreate your linode.
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03:41<Talman>i.e. I want a LAMP stack, or I want a Ubuntu/Ngnix/PostgreSQL/Ruby on Rails stack.
03:41<Talman>Also look at stackscripts if you need to junk that linode and redeploy it with a fresh distro.
03:41<Talman>There are stackscripts for setting things like ngnix, LAMP, etc up.
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03:45<XO39>Thanks Talman, you've helped me a lot
03:45<Talman>You're welcome.
03:45<Talman>Unforuntately, I can't watch episode 7 of strike witches until my GF awakens.
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03:45<Talman>Since I am done with mythbusters, I look on IRC and see what happens.
03:46<Clorith>Why not ?
03:47<Talman>I'm not sure.
03:47<Talman>She wants to be awake when I see it.
03:47<Clorith>the image google images brought up are somewhat disturbing...
03:47<Talman>Fans, Clorith. Fans.
03:47<Clorith>that's not fan made...
03:47<Talman>No, that's a screen cap.
03:48<Talman>And that's hilarious.
03:48<XO39>How long it will take till I can brows the site with on Linode?
03:48<Clorith>XO39: depends when your dns cache is emptied, you could speed it up by editing your locla hosts file though
03:48<Talman>If you tried to go to the domain already, your ISP could show you home movies for up to 2 days.
03:49<Talman>Clorith: There's a running gag in the series about how everyone is obsessed with comparing boob size.
03:50<Clorith>for the record; learning japanese is surprisingly easy
03:50<Talman>I also present Azumanga Dioah as to the innocense to that.
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03:50<Clorith>oh azumanga is just craaaaaaazy
03:50<Talman>For the record, learning words are, putting them into something intelligent isn't. :)
03:50<Talman>Azu is the Seinfeld of anime.
03:50<XO39>So I should empty DNS cache now?
03:51<Talman>XO39, you can't, your upstream ISP DNS server has already cached it.
03:51<Talman>You'll ask it, and it'll reply with the old IP till its cache is expired.
03:51<Clorith>yeah Talman, I got an iPod app called Human Japanese
03:51<Talman>Never heard of it.
03:51<Clorith>I was amazed, I wasexpecting it ot be harder then this
03:51<Talman>I need an ipod.
03:52<Talman>Well, a touch.
03:52<Clorith>granted I got the lite version which was free first, decided it was well made and actually taught me stuff, so I paid for the full version
03:52<Talman>Are you learning words or sentences?
03:52<Talman>Keep in mind, I know over 60 japanese words and simple phrases.
03:52<Clorith>right now I'm up to learning the basics of word structuring
03:52<Talman>I have the equivelency of a 5 year old's speech.
03:52<Clorith>I've learnt pronounciations first
03:52<Talman>Ah, good, so its teaching how to actually speak Japanese.
03:53<Talman>And not just string random words together.
03:53<Clorith>well, I'm learning how to write the words that make up all other words
03:53<Clorith>*write and say
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03:53<Clorith>yeah, it's a well made app, and it's ranked the #1 tool for learning japanese, hehe
03:53<Talman>Just remember, if it sugggests you say atashi for I, lol.
03:54<Clorith>I randomy decided to do a test on it, they write and pronounce the japanese word and I'm supposed to pick the english translation of it
03:54<Clorith>a few traps in there, because there's so many things that still sound alike to me but differentiates with the way you pronounce it
03:54<Talman>Its a fast language, too.
03:54<Talman>I have done Rosetta Stone Japanese and Rocket japanese.
03:55<Clorith>I have a good ear for languages, so I'm enjoying this
03:55<Talman>Mainly because of the number of Japanese I interacted with on the ships.
03:55<Clorith>I tried rosetta, and I did not like it at all
03:55<Talman>At least I did not sound like a 14 year old girl.
03:55<Clorith>#1 rule of learning japanese; do NOT learn from fan-subs
03:56<Clorith>I learnt that from someone depicting a trip to japan xD
03:56<Talman>Don't learn from anime period.
03:56<Talman>Forget fan-subs.
03:56<Talman>They use a specific and simplified speech method that makes you sound like a child.
03:57<Talman>beb, i feel hungry.
03:57<Clorith>I'd love to learn japanese properly for when I finally get off my ass and travel there ^-^
03:58<Clorith>not saying I'll spend all the time speaking japanese, haha, but it'd be nice to show some courtesy by at least understanding and knowingg important respectfull phrases
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04:28<Talman>It also helps when dealing with people.
04:28<Talman>Even if you don't speak it, you can figure out how to deal with them better when you understand what they're saying.
04:28<amitz>how do you know if you have good ear?
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04:29<Talman>You can make out the phenomes.
04:29<Talman>Its not one jumbled OMG, you can pick out phonomes and start detecting words.
04:30<amitz>phoneme iirc.
04:32<Clorith>I have no idea how to spell those silly american words :P
04:32<Talman>Oh, hell.
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04:33<Talman>You know, I made some tropical punch.
04:33<Talman>1 packet of powder == 2 liters.
04:33<Talman>I used 1 packet, and put it in a gallon jug.
04:33<Clorith>That sounds nice
04:33<Talman>Its still drinkable, but damn.
04:33<Clorith>strong? =P
04:33<Talman>1 gallon ~= 4 liters
04:33<Clorith>what's 1.3 litres then?
04:33<Clorith>a pint?
04:34<Talman>0.473 literes
04:34<Talman>3.78 liters to the gallon.
04:35<amitz>please... no more talk about gallon. I'sm ick of it today.
04:36<amitz>Different factories have different standard of what constitutes galon. Naughty companies.
04:36<Santo>*each factory has a different standard...
04:36<Clorith>google saysa 3.78
04:36*Santo slaps amitz
04:37<amitz>this is the negative reinforcement I was talking about. All slaps and no praise makes me a dull boy.
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04:38<Talman>Only do business with companies that use the ISO standard?
04:39<moesian>Hello I've just used virtualenv on my linode, however I don't seem to be getting a scripts folder with the activate and deactivate commands in it. Does anyone know wy this would be?
04:39*Clorith praises amitz
04:39<Talman>I don't even know what virtualenv is.
04:39<Clorith>Nor do I ^-^
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04:39<Clorith>so talman, you like anime?
04:40<Talman>Some kinda python thing.
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04:40<Talman>I like some anime, yes.
04:40<Clorith>any particulare type?
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04:40<moesian>Ok thanks, perhaps I should ask somewhere more specific, thanks for your help
04:40<Talman>Some shoujo, some shounen.
04:40<Talman>You're welcome.
04:40<Talman>I should update myanimelist.
04:40<amitz>Talman: there are subtleties. For example, some companies use gallon as a generic term as a medium sized container.
04:40<Clorith>I remember seeing an anime, I think it was just 4 episodes, from a space colony where earth sent new police officers and they found out this guy hates cyborgs, but he falls in love with his partner who happens to be the most advanced cyborg ever created, made in secrecy by a scientist
04:41<Talman>NO bells rung.
04:41<Clorith>shame =/
04:41<amitz>then there are companies who used volume, then derived the weight, then diluted the content.
04:43<amitz>Clorith: too belldandy like ;-)
04:43<Clorith> why does that sound familiar
04:43<Clorith>isn't that from Ah My Goddess?
04:44<amitz>then there are companies who provides the container for a gallon, then reduce the content.
04:44<Talman>Yeah, she's froom AMG.
04:44<amitz>Clorith: yes, it's a classic.
04:44<Clorith>I don't think I ever finished that series
04:45<amitz>that's like 5 episode ;-)
04:45<amitz>episodes. sigh
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04:45<Clorith>AMG is way more then 5 O_o
04:46<amitz>are you talking about the super deformed version?
04:46<Talman>AMG is a complete series, several OVAs, and then the 25th.
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04:46<Talman>Also, that URL has every series I've seen, am watching, or plan to watch.
04:47<amitz>Talman: Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni is pretty good, at least the manga.
04:48<Talman>Someone I knew suggested I watch it.
04:48<Talman>Its... creepy.
04:48<Talman>I need to add FMA to the list.
04:48<Talman>But unfortunately, I've seen so much of it out of order due to it being on Adult Swim.
04:48<Talman>School Days, Evangelion, and Lain are what I use to make people's heads explode.
04:49<amitz>do you like horror ones?
04:50<Clorith>You want exploding heads?
04:50<Clorith>Excel Saga.
04:50<Talman>No, Clorith, I mean people's heads explode after exposure to Eva.
04:50<Talman>I can marathon it without issues.
04:50<amitz>you should read junji ito's creation. That's creepy IMO.
04:50<Talman>Excel Saga is hilarity.
04:50<Clorith>yes Talman, that's what I ment too :P
04:50<Talman>Saikano will see if you're human.
04:50<Clorith>excel saga hurt my brain until I watched it drunk xD
04:51<Talman>And if Saikano doesn't make you sad, Another Love Song will.
04:51<Clorith>FMA is good, although a bit long
04:51<Clorith>Air, now that's a classy anime
04:51<Talman>People on another IRC network were like, "Watch Saikano." And I was like... "I did. This isn't sad."
04:51<amitz>cthulhu creepiness.
04:52<Talman>Then I watched Another Love Song and that was sadder.
04:52<amitz>ah yeah, I actually cry watching Saikano.
04:52<Talman>I don't. Chise is still with him.
04:52<Talman>The Major? She's just fucked no matter what.
04:53<Talman>That's why ALS is sadder than straight Saikano.
04:53*amitz googles "another love song"
04:53<Talman>Its a second OVA set about the first weapon system, a career military officer.
04:54<Talman>Who had a thing for that one soldier that Chise banged.
04:54<Talman>Missed connections, etc.
04:54<Talman>Another reason I know people cry is because of what Chise eventually becomes.
04:54<Talman>The "this city is lost, I will kill all people in it with a nuclear fire, including my own people."
04:55<Clorith>I've seen neither of those two
04:55<Talman>Its... take a school girl and give her the equivelant firepower of a small starfairing nation.
04:55<Talman>Then have the UN attack Japan.
04:55<amitz>Clorith: you should see it. It's a pretty intense flick chick that left you in a despair state.
04:55<Talman>Saikano is short for She, the Ultimate Weapon.
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04:56<Clorith>excellent, I shall watch it!
04:56<Clorith>SaiKano you say?
04:56<Talman>School Days is another fucked up one.
04:56<Talman>Its basically, "You know how those ero harem games teach you to bang every chick in school?"
04:56<Talman>Meet Matoko. He tries that route, and gets a knife through the heart for it.
04:57<Talman>THE END.
04:57<Clorith>This is an excellent time for TeamViewer to fuck up >_>
04:57<Talman>Ends up banging the entire school. Won't decide who his GF is. Breaks up with and cheats on both.
04:57<Talman>And then, one day, the world snaps and he gets stabbed to death and his head cut off and NICE BOAT.
04:58<Talman>And Eva's just Eva.
04:58<Talman>GIANT ROBOTS! (That's not a robot...)
04:58<amitz>in a related note you shoulsd see " The world god only knows". It's about an expert in dating game who must apply his skill in real life.
04:59<amitz>I see you have completed Code Geass. That's a good one too.
05:00<Clorith>Aye, it sure is
05:01<Talman>And Code Geass R2.
05:01<amitz>My favorite is stuff like Liar Game and Death Note.
05:01<Talman>This is another one an ex-gf was like, "Watch this with me?"
05:01<Talman>That was a mistake.
05:01<Clorith>I likeI remember the OVA from Nadesico being pretty darn good
05:01<Clorith>like, the series is strange, funny and sad all over each other, but the OVA is just amgnificent
05:02<amitz>Talman: baaad choice of story line ;-)
05:02<Talman>The series was satire of giant robot and space operas, Clorith.
05:02<Talman>Particularly Macross.
05:02<amitz>Clorith: I watched it but I actually forget the story line
05:03<Talman>Why do I have to do this? Because REAL LIFE SUCKS.
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05:03<amitz>yes, and how the male protagonist is also an anime geek whose real life experience somehow reflects the anime he watches. That.. I remember.
05:04<Talman>Gravity control system will crush the refugee's caverns underneath the Nadesico. If the ship doesn't lift off, then the nadesico will be fired upon, killing everyone aboard AND the refugees.
05:04<Talman>So, who's gonna die? Them or us?
05:04<Talman>Cry later, dear Captain. The enemy wants to eat your brains.
05:04<Talman>The OVA was basically Captain Ruri-Ruri and the Quest to find the Nadesico Crew.
05:05<Talman>There were a lot of manga between Nadesico and Prince of Darkness that Americans never got to read, as to why she's running around as the Nadesico's new captain.
05:05<amitz>hmm.. *poof*
05:05<Talman>And why Ruri's crew is hilarious.
05:06<Clorith>Talman: captain "Ruri-ruri" ?
05:06<Clorith>Ruri Hoshino, genious child :D
05:06<Talman>FFS, when she starts hacking into a system, all of a sudden every console and holoscreen goes into RURI RURI MODE.
05:07<Clorith>yeah xD
05:07<Clorith>I love ruri mode hahaha
05:07<Talman>That was a "wait, what?"
05:07<Clorith>And how she randomly just goes "bakane..." all the time
05:07<Talman>Well, yes.
05:07<Talman>Her XO is a Jovian who epitomizes the space opera awesome captain.
05:08<Talman>Her comms officer is a younger her who has a crush on her, and is a boy.
05:08<Talman>And the entire fleet wants her babies but can't articulate it.
05:08<Talman>Hell, I may queue that up.
05:10<Talman>Half of the movie is "wait, what," though like I AM AKITO TENKAWA AND I AM THE BLACK KNIGHT.
05:10<Talman>(Why he is that is described inmanga and light novels...)
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05:37<Clorith>Yeah, she's gathering the old crew to find Akito, right?
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05:44<moesian>Hello, I've created mysql databases before on my linode but am now getting a error1044 when I try to create a new one. I seem to be able to access and change the existing ones
05:44<moesian>any ideas on how i mght resolve this?
05:45<internat>1044 is access denied
05:46<moesian>yes but i'm only getting when I try to create, do you know how I can alter user permissions?
05:47<internat>log in as root
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05:51<moesian>internat: yep, thanks, I think I need to eat breakfast feeling a little slow :)
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06:08<monitor110>would somebody check my /etc/network/interfaces ...last time i tried to add addtional ips I messed up my node.
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06:09<internat>you broke it
06:09<monitor110>ok what should i do
06:09<internat>youve got two eth0:0
06:09<internat>one should be eth0:1
06:09<monitor110>ok im looking
06:10<internat>and they both have the same ip addresses
06:10<monitor110>oh i see
06:10<monitor110>ok hold on
06:11<monitor110>ok i changed it. i only have 2 ips now since i couldn't get it to work before.
06:11<monitor110>does this look ok?
06:13<monitor110>it's the same url
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06:25<Talman>Corith: Yeah, just watched it again... :)
06:25<Talman>And not really find Akito, she found Akito right off the bat. The crew was to stop the Martian Successors.
06:27<Clorith>I need to get the manga I think
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06:28<Talman>Good luck, its not in English.
06:28<Talman>There's also some Sega Saturn games and some light novels.
06:28<Talman>Review of Nadesico Movie: No, this is a dark, murderous, hideous shadow of Nadesico. It's what you get if you lock Nadesico into a dark room for a couple years, continuously poke it with a cattle prod and feed it nothing but raw meat.
06:31<Talman>Basically its one of those series where it continued on in Japanese media, then they got enough money to make a movie to end cap it.
06:34<Clorith>I enjoed the movie though, granted it was a bit "much" at times
06:34<Clorith>(read; crappy)
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06:34<Clorith>but the overall feel was that it was a good summary of what continued happening after the original series
06:34<Talman>I was lucky in that someone who's played the Saturn games and such explained WTF was going on to me.
06:35<Talman>They just didn't bother to catch people who hadn't gotten the intermediate material up to speed.
06:39<Yaakov>caker: PING
06:43<Talman>No pong for you.
06:44<TheJoe>"Baaak! I love you with great love!"
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07:12<Clorith>Perihelion: (you better have highlighting on!
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07:35<MarkJ>I don't what the **** Google were thinking when they decided to put these "funky" background images on the main search page.. sickening
07:36<MarkJ>Time to move to bing? :p
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07:36<Clorith>or you could just remove it on the lower left?
07:37<MarkJ>you mean change it
07:39<Clorith>no, I clicked it once, and it cleared it
07:39<Clorith>a 2nd click makes it give you the selection tool
07:39<MarkJ>you must have been lucky, so many people seem to be struggling, having funnily enough done a search on it
07:39<MarkJ>and to have it on by default .. /sigh
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07:40<Clorith>errm, it wasn't on by default for me xD
07:40<Clorith>my coleague got it though
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07:49<KingTarquin>Eurgh, some of those images aren't aesthetically pleasing, and some of them make it hard to read the text on the main page.
07:49<KingTarquin>Perhaps if they were watermarked, or the text had an outline colour, they'd be a little better.
07:50<MarkJ>Yeah I struggled to see the text on the page
07:50<MarkJ>and the constrats was an eyesore
07:51<MarkJ>and fading in the menus... it's like a kid got at it
07:51<MarkJ>enough ranting, time for sleep!
07:52<KingTarquin> << That's really bad HCI.
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08:12<amitz>woah, i don't know nadesiico is that good...
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08:34<TimothyA>Well, the internet improved so much thanks to this tunneling/proxying through Linode, that I've been granted a 1000$ bonus... but I have to spend it on equipment to make all the other machines on the network work through this :x
08:34<TimothyA>so it seems I will have to upgrade my linode soon
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08:38<Nivex>if you're having to tunnel all your traffic through Linode, you need to go beat your ISP into oblivion with a cluestick
08:39<chesty>how much are you going to share with the people here that helped you?
08:40<TimothyA>chesty; I will be putting the monthly bill on their name... ;>_>
08:40<TimothyA>the whole office uses about 1-2TB a month
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08:41<TimothyA>and most of it is youtube and myspace and facebook and hyves
08:41<TimothyA>and they're doing it through plaintext...
08:41*TimothyA considers something devious ;>_>
08:41<TimothyA>even the bank connection is unencrypted (Yes, there are still banks with online interfaces that DON'T HAVE SSL)
08:42<TimothyA>chesty; oh, you mean here! :P
08:42*TimothyA misread that, I'm still waking up @.@
08:42<TimothyA>I guess Linode will get a hefty chunk of money each month :x
08:43<TimothyA>but I have to spent most of it on a specialized pico-sized computer with a wireless connection that acts as a proxy modem
08:43<chesty>i shall send you my paypal address
08:43<TimothyA>chesty: want to know something horrible about paypal?
08:43<chesty>i probably already know, but go on
08:44<TimothyA>paypal doesn't allow anyone in the caribbean to spend or receive monies without emptying their creditcards/bankaccounts in the progress
08:44<TimothyA>or just freezing them without reason
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08:44<TimothyA>there is a reason why nobody in the caribbean orders anything online :P Only those with american/european accounts dco
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09:09<Torenn>Guys could you give me an advice? I have an issue with iptables not dropping packets from blacklisted CIDRs I have no idea why.
09:10<daevien>rm -rf /*
09:10*Torenn slaps daevien.
09:10<Nivex>Torenn: not enough to go on. might want to pastebin your iptables config
09:11<Torenn>Never mind I hadn't glasses on and didn't notice one thing
09:11<Nivex>that works too :)
09:11<Torenn>DROP all -- anywhere
09:11<Torenn>the cidr is for some reason in the wrong place brb.
09:13<Torenn>mixed up daddr with saddr
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09:20<trollocaust>the keys are like next to each other? :P
09:32*daevien flings small objects at HoopyCat out of boredom
09:34<amitz>heh, i'm not even sure i can use paypal here, as a customer.
09:35<daevien>they have the "no amitz" rule
09:37<amitz>you don't have the right to use the word amitz. please wait a while, my lawyer will contact you.
09:39<amitz>i don't relly understand paypal but paypal can only screw me as much the money i send from my cc to my paypal ccount right?
09:40<hobot>pretty much
09:40<daevien>eh, their rules & crap mention about CC chargebacks too
09:40<hobot>they can also try to ruin your credit rating technically
09:40<daevien>wouldnt be so sure
09:40<hobot>yeah you cant stop them but it ruins your credit rating im pretty sure
09:42<amitz>oh, they can even charge more than my limit? or up to my limit?
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09:45<daevien>using paypal is sort of like playing russian roulette with 2 bullets in the gun, chances are pretty high you'll get burned at some point if you use it much
09:45<daevien>i only use it when i have to
09:45<amitz>why 2? why not 3?
09:45<TheFirst>paypal isn't like russian's like screwing a two dollar whore...afterwards you're going to feel dirty and have a burn
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09:46<daevien>paypal once decided that my friend putting some money on her paypal was a good reason to lock the account and try and run awya with the funds (couple of thousand US she was trying to send to someone that lived the next state over for a car she was about to go get)
09:47<daevien>they seem to just randomly try to steal & screw over people. took her like 2 months to finally get that money back, she wasn't happy
09:47<Null_>wow, if you use paypal for that kind of money, you are asking for trouble.
09:48<daevien>like i said, she was trying to hold on to a car she really wanted. but they froze it like immediately before she could even transfer
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09:54<amitz>that reminds me. i used to transfer a lot of money to my cc to boost my cc limit temporarily for a transaction. turns out they won't authorize the fucking transaction. they demand me to declare the amount to be charged and the date for it to be authorizable. problem is, it's a cross-currency transaction. i can't know the advance the amount to be charged.
09:55<amitz>and they won't even consider the transaction on hold. they just denied it so i can't call to authorize.
09:57<linbot>New news from blog: Linode sponsors YAPC, fosscon, and SELF <>
09:57<amitz>oh, what amkes me pissed is i have to wait for 20 days before they return my money. free interest for them, heh.
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09:59*daevien demands a linode tshirt from caker
09:59<DavidWhite>Linode doesn't provide actual technical support, correct? (forums, IRC, wikis, etc... are available, but officially, Linode will not touch a client's server with the exception of deployment, etc..)
09:59*daevien shakes tasaro too, you might have one!
10:01<daevien>DavidWhite: basically yeah unless it's an issue that seems to be not something thats user inflicted. ie: problem with xen or lindoe manager, etc
10:01<DavidWhite>right. That makes sense.
10:01<Nivex>aww! I was hoping to meet some of you guys at SELF
10:01<daevien>that said, most people in here are fairly helpful so you'll prob get some help from either staff or other users on most things
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10:02<daevien>but linode is unmanaged hosting so they won't go setup LAMP for you or whatever ;)
10:03<DavidWhite>Ok, then that's 1 "plus" for me - I've got some clients who need their own VPS, and I'm trying to figure out if it makes sense for me to get a VPS, purchase the backup option as well, throw in a few "freebies" for the clients, mark-up the price, and deploy
10:04<DavidWhite>(The plus would be that I can provide free basic technical support, and for anything extensive, I already have root access etc..., and I already know the server)
10:05<DavidWhite>this will be a good way for me to "try out" Linode too. :)
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10:06<DavidWhite>From what I can tell, and from what I've heard / read about it, it's one of the best VPS providers that I can find. I'm getting ready to transfer my own websites and all of my hosting clients onto a VPS from my current resold shared hosting provider
10:06<daevien>once you try linode, you can't leave. evyerthign else sucks :p
10:07<Clorith>It's true, I've got the addiction
10:07<Clorith>7 nodes and counting, I need my fix of nodes xD
10:07<@jed>DavidWhite: we occasionally chip in here when we can -- we're all knowledgeable folks
10:08<daevien>i've only got a 540 & a 360 at this point, i'd prob have more if i could afford them :p
10:08<Clorith>and there's the SS!
10:08<@jed>Linode employees have a diverse skillset, and if I can answer a question I usually will try
10:08<Clorith>StackScripts that be :D
10:08<DavidWhite>what about CPU usage? I see on their website that they say "you get fair CPU usage" - but what does that mean? I'm not saying Linode does this, but I do know that it's not uncommon practice for VPS providers to overload the servers
10:08<Clorith>linode doens't
10:09<Clorith>Xen powered, and with a max amount of nodes per server
10:09<@jed>CPU is very, very rarely the bottleneck -- enough that I've almost never seen a legitimate "wow, he needs more CPU" ticket
10:09<Clorith>They also don't mix, so one server has only 360 nodes, another only 540 nodes etc
10:09<daevien>linode limits dom0's to certain amounts (depends on ram & space) per type. so on your linode 360, you share a machien with other 360s.if you want/need, you can transfer to diff dom0 or even diff datacenter by doing a ticket
10:09<DavidWhite>this makes sense
10:10<spkitty>i hit max cpu on my node *once* .... because i had set up an infinite loop that was constantly pinging :/
10:11<Yaakov>DavidWhite: It has been my experience that Linode is a "reasonable person" when it comes to policies. They generally adopt the attitude you'd want from a partner, and they make a good one. You can try a 'node for 7 days and receive a full refund if you request one. After that it is a pro rata refund, which is still only about 63 cents a day for a 360. Trying is pretty painless.
10:11<daevien>another thing, not sure if you noticed LISH or not, but it's console access to your node, so if you screw up iptables, you can still get in
10:11<DavidWhite>Yeah, I did read about LISH - sounds pretty freakin awesome
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10:12<Clorith>spkitty: I've passed 400% a couple times. Because my cron job got too heavy in the long run xD
10:12<daevien>or if you need to diagnose somethign else consoel side, you have that as well. it's a very handy feature
10:12<Clorith>had ot kill the cron
10:12<DavidWhite>I watched that 2-3 minute "training clip" about it
10:13<DavidWhite>well, my guess would be that within 24 hours, I will have at least 1 linode through my own business that I'll soon be reselling - and very possibly, soon will have another one for the rest of my stuff!
10:13<Clorith>Le'ts not forget the awesome community!
10:14*Clorith looks at the diferent people selling off Linode as an awesome product
10:14<DavidWhite>heh true
10:14<daevien>yeah, the community here is pretty big and quite varied in backgrounds & experience
10:14<Clorith>I'm the resident norwegian anoying noob ^-^
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10:19<daevien>if you show up with a question abotu something, you usually get someone that has knowledge, if you show up 2 diff days/times you will pretty much for sure
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10:20<jools>can anyone help with an issue i'm having with crontab for root user
10:20<jools>on ubuntu 10.04 lts
10:20<jools>basically... i am trying to run a php cli script
10:20<jools>from root crontab
10:20<jools>when i excute this script from command line
10:20<amitz>why people's leg is stronger than arm?
10:21<jools>its works perfectly
10:21*daevien cringes. do you really NEED to run it as root?
10:21<daevien>what does the php do?
10:21<jools>your right
10:21<amitz>I will show up the 2nd time today.
10:22<jools>but its a corner cutting excercise on a dev box
10:22<jools>to demo something
10:22<jools>the script is a wrapper for sox/lame
10:22*DavidWhite sits back and watches
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10:23<jools>matt wolf ? :)
10:23<daevien>sounds like environment maybe, are you using absolute paths & stuff?
10:24<jools>currently only tested running from directory
10:24<jools>so would need to add var to get absoulte paths
10:24<daevien>does your script change to that directory first?
10:24<jools>i'll paste the guts of it
10:25<jools>so building up
10:25<jools>ahh ok soz
10:25<jools>1 sec
10:25<daevien>bot here will kick if you paste too much and peopel will grumble, much better to use that ;)
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10:26<DavidWhite>Alright, before I make my FINAL decision (honestly, this won't affect my decision at all - It's already made): What about security upgrades? As the server administrator, am I responsible for keeping the Linux core (and the various programs) up to date? (ie. Linode won't upgrade things automatically)
10:27<daevien>DavidWhite: it's all up to you basically
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10:27<daevien>unless it affects others. ie:you get rooted & your ip tries to attack people or something else like that ot get noticed ;)
10:27<DavidWhite>fine with me! Just another "perk" I can offer to my client(s) - and better control over the system.
10:28<DavidWhite>and yes, that makes complete sense.
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10:28<daevien>basically, you get an interface to deploy one of like a dozen or more variations of distros (debian, ubuntu, centos, arch, gentoo, 32bit or 64bit whereas a lot only offer one or the other btw)
10:28<daevien>then it builds a basic machine with the root pw you set and from then on, you do whatever with it
10:29<daevien>you can run more custom stuff with pvgrub if needed, most people don't though
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10:31<daevien>one note: the kernel is set in the manager btw, so you don't update the kernel in the vm
10:31<daevien>you CAN (see pvgrub thing) but you can jsut select latest stable kernel from manager and then reboot if you need to get newer due to security or whatever
10:32<DavidWhite>ah, that makes sense
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11:08<jools>hello... can anyone help with a crontab / php cli / sox / lame related issues?
11:08<jools>basically - it works fine from command line
11:09<jools>however, when running as crontab entry (in this case root - i know cutting corners to demo something) it seems to fail
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11:13<Null_>how is it failing?
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11:14<Aletheuo>jools: I would use full paths to all files
11:14<Aletheuo>jools: everywhere there is a filename, use a full path
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11:15<jools>changed it now
11:15<jools>to do that
11:15<jools>still same issue
11:15<Aletheuo>pastebin your crontab entry and the php script again
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11:18<jools>crontab is = # m h dom mon dow command
11:18<Aletheuo>include("libs/config.php"); <-- that is not a full path
11:19<Nivex>linbot: woof!
11:19<Aletheuo>jools: when your php script runs from crontab, what directory is your script run *from* ?
11:20<jools>its located in /var/www/
11:20<jools>i know!!!
11:20<Aletheuo>jools: thats why you need full paths
11:20<jools>btu i am having to cut corners to demo
11:20<jools>will change now
11:20<HoopyCat>you're cutting the wrong corners
11:20<jools>however.. it seems to work fine
11:20<jools>1 sec while i update that as well
11:21<Aletheuo>every file referenced should be full path, from the crontab entry to every file referenced in your script
11:21<jools>still works
11:22<jools>will try cron test
11:25<daevien>how about this for cutting corners: does it function right i fyou hit the location through teh webserver? if so, use curl in crontab to hit the url
11:26<jools>if i run it
11:26<jools>as root
11:26<jools>on box
11:26<HoopyCat>daevien: what a horrific hack! i would NEVER do something like that
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11:27<HoopyCat>daevien: (i'd use wget -O /dev/null -q so i wouldn't have to be caught reading a man page)
11:27<jools>but the issue i belive is a perms issue, since the script runs fine when i run as root
11:27<jools>works perfectly
11:27<jools>when i try to run from cron
11:28<jools>its seems to fail at the point where is does the exec to lame/sox etc
11:28<jools>but the db calls all work etc
11:28<jools>so there is something i am missing the point on
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11:28<jools>when it comes to running as a crontab entry
11:29<jools>please help me out chaps/ladies... am in a corner to get demo live for 2morrow :)
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11:29<jools>other wise i need to get a monkey to keep hitting return
11:29<HoopyCat>try specifying the full paths to lame, sox, etc
11:30<jools>but as i said when i run as root/command line it all works
11:30<HoopyCat>you're running as root. it will assume absolutely nothing.
11:30<HoopyCat>you're running from cron as root. it will assume absolutely nothing.
11:30<jools>but the paths to those progs are setup and available to root
11:31<jools>as i said it runs fine from command line e.g. /usr/bin/php /var/www/processmixlog.php
11:31<Null_>not necessarily via cron though
11:31<jools>or in dir ./processmixlog.php
11:31<jools>ok - so let me add that then
11:31<HoopyCat>jools: write a script to e-mail you the environment that cron-executed programs get
11:32<HoopyCat>jools: that will probably clarify the situation greatly :-)
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11:32<Aletheuo>jools: use full paths to all files referenced, your not getting that yet?
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11:33<jools>just added it
11:33<amitz>for many usages, I make it a habit to make the first command of any script is cd {something}.
11:34<jools>e.g. $m1cmd = "/usr/bin/sox -m ".$apath.$assetsToMix["channelMappings"]["c1"]
11:34<amitz>if I can.
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11:34<jools>ok will test (gotta wai a min)
11:34<chesty>you could also set the path in the php script
11:34<Aletheuo>every file everywhere full path
11:34<jools>thats done now
11:34<maristgeek>you've said that before
11:35<jools>ok... but i just changed so all paths are now absolute
11:35<jools>and it behaves the same as it did before
11:35<jools>it works in both instances.. just testing the cron entry
11:36<jools>thanks for your help :) everyone
11:36<jools>i'm desperate...
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11:36<Aletheuo>now that your using full paths for everything, it should get further than it did before right?
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11:37<jools>it works, in both instances
11:37<jools>it always did, from command line
11:37<jools>but not from crontab
11:37<jools>just waiting a min
11:37<jools>to see what happens when crontab entry runs it
11:38<jools>am i using the correct syntax for crontab entry?
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11:38<jools>for root user
11:38<Aletheuo>pastebin what your crontab entry is
11:38<jools>*/1 * * * * /usr/bin/php /var/www/processmixlog.php
11:38<jools>*/1 * * * * /usr/bin/php /var/www/processmixlog.php
11:39<Aletheuo>that should work
11:39<jools>00-59 * * * * root /usr/bin/php -f /var/www/processmixlog.php
11:39<Aletheuo>check your /var/log/messages for errors for when it runs
11:39<jools>*/1 * * * * /usr/bin/php -f /var/www/processmixlog.php
11:39<jools>nice tip - ubunutu yeah?
11:39<jools>will tail it
11:39<chesty>where are you adding that crontab? crontab -e
11:40<chesty>then you don't need to specify root
11:40<Aletheuo>you can also make your php script executable just ./script.php
11:40<chesty>also */1 should be the same as *
11:41<jools>i have tried that as well, as i was saying it does run fun - 100% when i run from command line manually
11:41<jools>the issue occurs when crontab runs it
11:41<jools>run fine not fun
11:41<chesty>because you just said "sox" instead of "/usr/bin/sox"
11:42<jools>i changed that as well
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11:42<Aletheuo>triple check that your script has every file referenced via full paths
11:42<Aletheuo>pastebin it again
11:44<jools>i have not deleted the cache yet
11:44<jools>cached wav files
11:44<jools>but does not matter for this right now, unless u think otehrwise?
11:44<HoopyCat>jools: you've got a couple commented-out lines at the top mentioning error reporting; might be worth enabling those, yes?
11:44<chesty>"rm" "/bin/rm"
11:45<jools>but as i said its working...
11:46<Aletheuo> exec("rm assets/temp/".$mix_id."_m1.wav", $output);
11:46<Aletheuo>needs full path
11:46<HoopyCat>jools: it's working fine from cron and all that now? excellent!
11:46<jools>i know
11:48<jools>it runs fine from commandline - just crontab entry does not seem to kick off
11:48<chesty>check roots mail
11:48<Aletheuo>check your /var/log/messages for errors
11:49<chesty>rm need to be /bin/rm
11:50<jools>but it deletes the files and all works when i run from command line
11:50<jools>BUT :)
11:50<chesty>ok, you know best
11:50<jools>sorry i was not being shitty
11:51<jools>i just hoping that you get my issue...
11:51<jools>which is a)works from command line.. perfec! however, when cron entry ran (which now does not :) it failed
11:51<jools>i looked in var/log/messages and nothing pertaining to this issue
11:52<jools>stuff to do with rsyslogd
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11:52<chesty>pastebin crontab -l
11:52<amitz>luckily linux doesn't behave like windows (I think...), I used to have a mysterious problem running an app because the the app run out of unique name for temporary files.
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11:54<Clorith>heh, ever tried the Mamut business software?
11:55<amitz>really stupid app. It guesses a random unique name, then if name collision exists, it refuses to run. Problem is, their unique name generator is really not random.
11:55<Clorith>it has a fun little error, if you have more then 100 emails in your sentbox, you can't generate invoices with it, and they cna't fix it because it relies on that folder to send invoices by email
11:55<Clorith>It was a rather fascinating problem, and I'm surprised they can't solve it
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11:58<amitz>What that business software does anymore?
11:58<amitz>s/anymore/anyway/. /me is a fail whale today.
11:59<@Perihelion>All aboard the failboat!
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11:59<chesty>fail whale is dead
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12:00<chesty>bp killed her
12:01<@pparadis>"Too many careless corporations! Please wait a millenium and try again."
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12:04<amitz>forgive my ignorance but can't they scoop the surface of the ocean? or just burn the spilled oil?
12:04<chesty>don't know, but what do they do with the beaches?
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12:06<Clorith>amitz: Mamut does everything from accounting to invoicing and product shit
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12:08<amitz>chesty: beaches are probably a lost cause..
12:08<Clorith>err wrong window
12:10<amitz>SpaceHobo: I see, complicated...
12:10<TimothyA>say, is there a way to limit someone's bandwidth usage in a shell?
12:11<TimothyA>ehm, I mean bandwidthquota
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12:12<TimothyA>or can that only be done when the user environment is virtualized? :x
12:14<amitz>SpaceHobo: nah, no headphone and wifey likes a peaceful night.
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12:14<amitz>but thanks
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12:15<amitz>TimothyA: can you actually prevent an incoming bandwidth?
12:16<amitz>oh wait, nm.
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12:19<TimothyA>if I could get an per-user bandwidth consumed in the last ?? minutes, that would be great :x
12:19<amitz>I was thinking that you can't stop an incoming data, but then again there is no point in them requesting data if you block it. Just self musing, doesn't add any new knowledge. Ignore me :-p
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12:19<amitz>block them from receiving it.
12:20<TimothyA>this is more like, "You can't do anything until the quote is upped or your current usage is wiped"
12:20<TimothyA>and I want to do it on an per-user basis, not on an per-ip basiss
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12:28<HoopyCat>define "user"
12:31<HoopyCat>if anything can do it, i'd say ntop ought to be able to
12:31<TimothyA>an user is someone who is able to log into the shell :P
12:31<TimothyA>so someone who has an account on the box and is actively using it
12:31<TimothyA>so if 'user1' logs in and download something, I want to see how much user1 has used
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12:32<Learned>so if im getting alot of swap should i change from apache to nygnix?
12:32<Learned>im using drupal so i have views that have dynamic content i assume
12:33<TimothyA>last time I checked, ntop was not capable of this :x
12:34<TimothyA>Learned: different issue
12:34<HoopyCat>TimothyA: there might be some sort of accounting fistula that can be used... i'm not sure off the top of my head. the trick is monitoring the amount of bandwidth used by a particular stream (libpcap can be used to help with this), correlating that stream to a process (netstat's -p option will do this), and then determining which user owns that process (ps)
12:35<TimothyA>hm, interesting
12:35<TimothyA>but highly unreliable
12:35<amitz>Pryon: btw, nethogs categorizes bandwidth usage by PID, which makes life easier.
12:35<TimothyA>was that meant for me?
12:35<HoopyCat>TimothyA: define "highly unreliable" :-)
12:36<TimothyA>HoopyCat: the process could already be killed before finding it :P
12:36<amitz>TimothyA: no because you may find that unreliable too ;-)
12:36<daevien>Learned: switching to nginx will reduce your memory prob, but will change a lot of other stuff that you may or may not be ready for. your better option is to tune your apache, mysql, etc better if you really are about to OOM
12:36<TimothyA>I would
12:36<HoopyCat>TimothyA: you're going to have to have a daemon running to watch the traffic, so as soon as you notice a new stream, figure out who owns it
12:36*TimothyA nods
12:36<Learned>daevien what should i do i following the tunning memory guide on linode. im clueless.
12:37<TimothyA>guess that will take a month or so to make and figure out :x
12:37<HoopyCat>TimothyA: even if it takes a second or two to get there, odds are good they ain't going to pull an appreciable amount of bandwidth in that time
12:37<TimothyA>unless they're going 13MB/s
12:37<HoopyCat>TimothyA: TCP ain't going to spin up to 13MB/sec in less than a second
12:37<amitz>TimothyA: actually if the shell you give to your user is normal linux user, nethogs already does many of the difficult part.
12:38<HoopyCat>TimothyA: UDP might, of course, but i'd probably recommend keeping track of unaccounted-for traffic to make sure i'm right
12:38<amitz>if you want to go HoopyCat ways, combining this and that.
12:38<HoopyCat>TimothyA: barring that, openvz might be a way to go if you want to really keep tabs on your users :-)
12:39<amitz>because it also shows the owner of the pid who consumes the bandwidth.
12:39<TimothyA>is openvz light enough for a linode 360? :x
12:39<HoopyCat>TimothyA: this is a matter for research and development
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12:40<TimothyA>I take that as a no
12:40<Learned>How do I solve my memory issues
12:40<daevien>TimothyA: just whack all the users you think are using too much bandwidth in the back of the head with a magazine/brick/etc. they'll stop
12:40<amitz>!library OOM
12:40<linbot>amitz: 1. Managing Web Content with Joomla! ( - 2. CMS Guides ( - 3. Using Irssi for Internet Relay Chat (
12:41<amitz>!library Optimizing bandwidth
12:41<TimothyA>daevien; I tried that
12:41<linbot>amitz: 1. Managing Web Content with Drupal 6 ( - 2. Understanding the Linode Billing System ( - 3. Basic Nginx Configuration (
12:41<HoopyCat>TimothyA: it's a legitimate "i don't know"
12:41<TimothyA>the library isn't feeling like behaving
12:41<amitz>okay... I make too many mistakes today...
12:41<HoopyCat>!library troubleshooting
12:41<linbot>HoopyCat: 1. Troubleshooting Memory and Networking Issues ( - 2. Linode Troubleshooting ( - 3. Troubleshooting Common Apache Issues (
12:41<HoopyCat>Learned: see link #1 above
12:43<Learned>ive already done that though?
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12:46<Learned>i mean its apache2 using the most memory a bunch of /usr/bin/apache2 listings
12:46<Learned>4 down to 1.7 percent
12:47<Learned>command -k start
12:47<TimothyA>nethogs is nice....
12:47<TimothyA>but how to dump it into something that I can use
12:47*TimothyA googles
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12:49<amitz>heh, that's what I'm thinking too. Tell me if you figure out anything ;-)
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12:50<HoopyCat>Learned: pastebin the following: ps auxwww, free -m, vmstat 1 20 (the last command will take 20 seconds to run)
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12:53<Learned>is that command correct?
12:53<@jed>it's three commands
12:54<HoopyCat>one bourbon, one scotch, one beer
12:54<Learned>Thanks oh i see
12:55<TimothyA>amitz; what about piping the output of nethogs to a python script which tears through it with regular expressions and throws it in a mysql database?
12:56<Learned>HoopyCat: link above sorry
12:58<amitz>TimothyA: oh, piping, assuming I get the concept right, works. I thought it doesn't work due to that error shown: Waiting for first packet to arrive (see bug 1019381)
12:58<TimothyA>but it says it gets its data from /proc
12:58<HoopyCat>Learned: indeed, you are swap thrashing. hmmm.
12:59<amitz>TimothyA: do you want to get it from proc yourself? ;-)
12:59<TimothyA>amitz; you can discard that line? :P
12:59<@caker>Learned: a GB of swap is a total waste, btw
12:59<HoopyCat>Learned: first, i'd probably recommend shrinking your swap to ~256MB or so; anything beyond there just delays the inevitable. (swap is very, very slow, as you're noticing)
13:00<TimothyA>I assume it's in /proc/net ?
13:00<TimothyA>ah well :/
13:00<@caker>Learned: second thing: reduce Apache's MaxClients to somethin like 5 or 10, and turn off KeepAlives
13:00<TimothyA>if I knew C/C++, I would have modified nethogs to export it in a more neater format
13:00<HoopyCat>Learned: those are some pretty beefy apache processes. i second caker on the dramatic reduction of maxclients
13:00<amitz>TimothyA: oh, you seriously want to do that...
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13:01<amitz>taking the data directly from /proc.
13:01<TimothyA>meh :/
13:01<TimothyA>if there was a manual somewhere that detailed what the hell I'm looking at with -t
13:02<TimothyA>and why it keeps re-reporting unknown connections
13:02<Learned>ok thanks ill let you know how my changes go
13:03<TimothyA>nethogs doesn't tell me if it's measuring it in KB/s, kb/s or KiB/s or anything
13:03<HoopyCat>totally need to write up a Scientific Method HOWTO
13:04<TimothyA>0/5291/0 0 0.0105469
13:04<TimothyA>0.0105469 what? whores?
13:04<amitz>TimothyA: I assume similar to the -t. But The number is way too similar between refresh. Perhaps a dissection is in order..
13:05<TimothyA>amitz; I'm only guessing it shows the data transferred in that time period and not a total
13:05<amitz>yeah, but an exactly the same amount data of transferred over a few refreshes?
13:06<TimothyA>we don't know! There is no manual
13:06<amitz>perhaps they refresh more often that the actual gathering (and calculating)
13:07<TimothyA>-d should give me a total of in the past ?? seconds
13:07*TimothyA wonders what 4/6107/0 is
13:08<TimothyA>these stats are nice, but they don't mean anything!
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13:09<amitz>more analyzing, less talking ;-)
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13:09<TimothyA>0/5291/0 123.575 17.2484
13:09<amitz>sorry, couldn't pass that chance :-D
13:09<amitz>the middle number is probably pid. The first number is probably uid.
13:10<TimothyA>it will show an hostname, uid, username, or unknown
13:10<TimothyA>be consistent!
13:10<chesty>iptables can match on userid
13:11<TimothyA>*now* he comes with that info
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13:12<TimothyA>amitz; guess nethogs doesn't show the accumulated total during that period
13:12<TimothyA>just at that second when it reports it
13:13<amitz>TimothyA: anyway, it's wake days for you. Go go go!
13:13<TimothyA>this was going to be a hobby project
13:13<TimothyA>which I will promptly decide not to do
13:14<amitz>btw, if I were you, I'll google more. Perhaps someone already done that. The idea of limiting people's shell account should be common enough.
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13:16<TimothyA>apparently not :x
13:16<TimothyA>I already did 5 hours of googling before I asked in here
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13:24<TimothyA>say, how do I even get a list of users with iptables? :|
13:24<TimothyA>or anything that I can use?
13:28<amitz>TimothyA: I just did some googling. Assume (I think I heard about it once) iptables can saves state, it should work. This code can probably inspires?
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13:29<TimothyA>isn't that for allowing connections to pass through iptables?
13:30*karstensrage hates expert sexchange
13:30<amitz>even if it can't, you can use other app to save the state. and yeah, probably. But the point is, that's an example of how to use uid to give a special treatment.
13:31<TimothyA>iptable --quota ?
13:32<amitz>karstensrage: expert sexchange? :-p
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13:32<amitz>don't know
13:33<linbot>New news from forums: Wildcard DNS in Linux Networking <>
13:33<TimothyA>already been there
13:33<TimothyA>it deals with putting a quota on an user, not actually monitoring how much they use in a given period of time
13:33<TimothyA>oh wait, that's a different one
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13:34<mvrak>hello, does anyone know if its easy to split accounts
13:34<TimothyA> no updates since 2001? :<
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13:35<amitz>mvrak: in what way do you plan to split it?
13:36<amitz>TimothyA: wait, I thought you're planning to put a quota on an user originally?
13:36<TimothyA>that, too :P
13:36<TimothyA>but it would be nice to have a traffic graph as well
13:36<mvrak>zomg thers always someone stealing my names here and freaking me out lol... well i want to manage some linodes under my account that i may have to split off for someone else later on
13:37<amitz>you mean you want to give it to other people? If that's what you mean, I believe you can file a ticket requesting that. CMIIW
13:37<TimothyA>was that for me?
13:37<mvrak>yes, that sounds good to me! thanks amitz
13:38<amitz>mvrak: np
13:38<amitz>TimothyA: nope ;-)
13:38<mvrak>anyone here have experience with roundcube?
13:39<TimothyA>useripacct seemed to do exactly what I want, but it's not compatible with 2.6 kernels
13:39<TimothyA>Fist of all it consists of a kernel patch which adds per user ip accounting to the kernel.
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13:39<amitz>an app called amitz sounds good, hahaha
13:41<TimothyA>I guess I have to resort to some kind of virtualization then :x
13:43<TimothyA>is openvz true virtualization?
13:44<TimothyA>oh :|
13:44<TimothyA>any thoughs on LXC?
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13:51<amitz>TimothyA: if you press m, it can changes display mode to accumulated download/upload instead.
13:52<TimothyA>what can?
13:53<TimothyA>what can display accumulated download/upload!
13:53<Yaakov>YOUR FACE
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13:53<TimothyA>amitz; it doesn't respond to the keypress :|
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13:54<amitz>mind does, I'm using squeeze's version.
13:54<amitz>..yes, I probably need a sleep.
13:55<amitz>Yaakov: you probably need one too.
13:55<Yaakov>I have what I need.
13:55*caker has what you need, too
13:56<TimothyA>squeeze's version?
13:56<TimothyA>and.... nethogs just completely missed a whopping 4.5GB
13:56<TimothyA>but it made sure to check for a passing bit from apache!
13:56*TimothyA facepalms
13:57<amitz>but you don't have what you want, ie: an equivalent huge love to reciprocate yours.
13:57<amitz>TimothyA: do you run it as root?
13:58<TimothyA>it won't let me run as an user :P
14:00*TimothyA decides to finally install 'man'
14:01<amitz>I don't need any man.
14:01<TimothyA>.... 'man nethogs' does nothing
14:01<TimothyA>amitz; where the hell did you get that keyboard shortcut from? :|
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14:01<amitz>oh, googling ;-)
14:01<TimothyA>where! :@
14:01<TimothyA>because googling for the most common sense verbs and sentences apparently isn't working
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14:02<amitz> . 2nd rule of googling, follow the path ;-)
14:03<TimothyA>I'm not going to follow an viagra advert
14:03<amitz>Follow the links of google result.
14:05<TimothyA>it's kind of hard to follow them if the results are viagra ads...
14:06<TimothyA>While nethogs is running, press the m key to cycle through the available options for displaying the data transfer. The options are KBps, Bps, and MBps.
14:06<TimothyA>that's not accumulated
14:07<amitz>well, mine shows the KB/B/MB instead. Probably the article has a mistype.
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14:09<@Perihelion>Boohemian: What'd she say? :>
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14:13<TimothyA>iptables -A INPUT -m owner --uid-owner 1001 -j ACCEPT <-- what's wrong with this statement? :|
14:14<Nivex>Is someone trying to SSH into my home machine as root from their linode justification for an abuse ticket?
14:14<TimothyA>I'm pretty much copying this from
14:14<amitz>TimothyA: btw, the app turns out to have more secret shortcut.
14:14<TimothyA>amitz; really?
14:14<amitz>changing the "sort based on".
14:14<HoopyCat>Nivex: probably. it's either a d'oh-typo or an infestation.
14:14*TimothyA is still wondering why it's saying it's an invalid argument
14:15<TimothyA>amitz; i knew that one, and that also does not work
14:15<amitz>anyway, I'm *poof*
14:15<TimothyA>ah, output :|
14:17<TimothyA>.... iptables reports an 500MB download being 400KB ...
14:17*TimothyA facepalms
14:18<TimothyA>is it even possible to monitor incoming data that the user has requested with iptables?
14:20<HoopyCat>i don't believe iptables knows what user requested it, although if there's a way to correlate the inbound traffic with its companion outbound traffic...
14:21<TimothyA>not through an unpatched kernel
14:22<HoopyCat>it may well be That Time
14:23<HoopyCat>time to patch the kernel to do your bidding
14:23<TimothyA>I don't know C
14:23<Yaakov>That's OK, just use assembler.
14:24<mendel>Besides, the kernel is only ostensibly written in C.
14:24<Yaakov>My great huge love is much lower than assembler. It is lower than microcode.
14:24<Yaakov>It is lower than the very logic gates of the processor of love.
14:25<Yaakov>It is the fabric on which time space is painted.
14:25<HoopyCat>Yaakov's love goes even deeper than the very electrons that quiver amongst the P-N junctions
14:26<TimothyA>butterflies, anyone?
14:26<Yaakov>The quivering is a clue to its existence.
14:26<HoopyCat>TimothyA: thus far, the easy userspace solutions don't seem applicable (i dunno, i thought my pcap-based idea was pretty easy ;-), so if there's a kernel patch out there that'll do what you want, that's probably the way to go. the kernel is the single entity that knows all of the information required.
14:27<TimothyA>you threw out a pcap-idea?
14:27<TimothyA>and yes, there is a kernal patch. but it's not compatible with .26
14:27<TimothyA>and it was released about a decade ago
14:27<TimothyA>something tells me it might be risky applying that patch
14:29<HoopyCat>TimothyA: about ~2 hours ago... libpcap to monitor the network traffic over the wire, whatever netstat -p does to determine the pid associated with the traffic, then look in /proc to figure out who owns the process
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14:30<TimothyA>in which file is that usually located?
14:30<TimothyA>oh, the directory permissions itself...
14:31<TimothyA>okay, so we got netstat -p down, and /proc/<pid> libpcap
14:31<HoopyCat>TimothyA: it appears /proc/<pid>/net/tcp and friends has the local/remote address pairings
14:31<mdcollins>TimothyA, you may be able to use the iptables owner module.. it seems to do what you want
14:32<TimothyA>mdcollins: that's for OUTPUT, I need INPUT :P
14:32<TimothyA>as well
14:33<HoopyCat>TimothyA: correction, /proc/net/tcp and friends has the local/remote address pairings for all processes
14:33<TimothyA>I can't read this soup
14:34<TimothyA>and I'm not quite sure how to use libpcap in this regard
14:34<HoopyCat>TimothyA: line number, local ip:port, remote ip:port, status, crap:crap, crap:crap, crap, uid, crap crap crap crap crap
14:34<TimothyA>I'm familiar with wireshark ,but that's about it
14:34<TimothyA>it doesn't look like local ip:port to me
14:34<HoopyCat>TimothyA: use libpcap to monitor the packets and count how many bytes each packet has
14:35<TimothyA> 0: 00000000:0FA0 00000000:0000 0A 00000000:00000000 00:00000000 00000000 107 0 7442 1 ffff88000e7a9940 3000 0 0 2 -1
14:35<HoopyCat>TimothyA: D5866B61:96DB -> ip address, port.
14:36<TimothyA>okay, so I first go to netstat -p and get the process. then fetch the uid that launched the process. then nose around in /proc/net/tcp and find the coresponding address pair and count the packets being shuffled back and forth?
14:36<TimothyA>am I right about this?
14:37<TimothyA>or am I totally wrong?
14:37<randallman>in network byte order (big endian) by the way :)
14:37<randallman>(just thought I'd add)
14:38<TimothyA>randallman: I have no idea what that means, other than that I hate the whole Endian issue
14:39<randallman>err wait, is that little endian? :P
14:40<HoopyCat>TimothyA: better idea than libpcap: iptables can keep track of how many bytes a particular stream has consumed, i believe. might as well have it do that part of it.
14:40<randallman>Yeah its actually the wrong byte order ;)
14:40<randallman>the bytes have to be swapped
14:40<randallman>since you have all 0's :P It doesnt matter
14:40<TimothyA>HoopyCat: it won't take the line I mentioned earlier if it's INPUT
14:41<TimothyA>oh wait..
14:41<TimothyA>hmmm.... but wouldn't that result in a lot of adding/removing rules?
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14:42<HoopyCat>TimothyA: anyway: 1) have iptables report to you how many bytes are used by each network socket, 2) monitor /proc/net/tcp and /proc/net/udp and all that to create a mapping of network sockets to uids
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14:42<TimothyA>HoopyCat: but that would involve making lots and lots of rules, right? There is no way to show in iptables that x amount has travelled between the hosts in a specific period of time?
14:42<HoopyCat>TimothyA: maybe. off the top of my head, i'm not sure what iptables offers in the way of accounting, but if you can get it down to bytes per network socket, the rest is delicious
14:42<randallman>iptables has accounting
14:43<randallman>and you can even use iptables-save to save the current counters
14:43<randallman>and iptables-restore to restore them!
14:43*HoopyCat reads the man page
14:43<randallman>Chain WAN-INPUT (1 references)
14:43<randallman>pkts bytes
14:43<HoopyCat>TimothyA: man iptables referred me to /proc/net/ip_conntrack
14:43<randallman>28568 1595K
14:43<randallman>(rest of output redacted)
14:43<HoopyCat>TimothyA: i believe that may be the duck's shit right there
14:44<TimothyA>it does look delicious
14:44<randallman>What's the end goal?
14:44*randallman scrolls back
14:44<TimothyA>randallman: basically just keeping track of what user has sent/received what and create a graph
14:44<TimothyA>without resorting to virtualization
14:45<HoopyCat>TimothyA: so, uhh, read /proc/net/ip_conntrack, then read the /proc/net/<protocol> fistulas to determine the uid for each connection, then dump it into gnucash and print some invoices and profit baybeee
14:45<@jed>dats alotta pyfon
14:45<randallman>either way its polling
14:45<TimothyA>jed: it will be about 200 lines
14:45<@jed>haha, just kidding, it's like 4 lines.
14:45<randallman>you can only be as accurate as the rate of polling
14:45<HoopyCat>jed: STFU
14:45<HoopyCat>jed: i'm trying to bid here
14:46*TimothyA adds it to his hobbylist of projects to do
14:46<HoopyCat>TimothyA: i can have it done by the end of next week for $1,500
14:46<randallman>unless the kernel is auditing it for you...
14:46<TimothyA>HoopyCat: it's a hobby project...
14:46<randallman>You're just asking the kernel periodicly
14:46<randallman>so ostensibly, you could miss some connetions :)
14:46<randallman>I guess they'd stay in time_wait up to 2 minutes
14:46<randallman>for tcp
14:46<randallman>udp, who knows :)
14:46<@jed>longer than 2, innit?
14:46<TimothyA>UDP, I'll add a +5MB :P
14:47<HoopyCat>randallman: if you poll each second, f'instance, i figure you're going to miss very very short sessions, but they're probably pretty minor anyway
14:47<randallman>dns queryies etc..
14:47<randallman>But then you could make up a new protocol that used dns txt records for binary data xfer :)
14:47<TimothyA>HoopyCat: I'm planning on polling 0.5 seconds
14:47<HoopyCat>TimothyA: just enough sleep to keep it from using 100% CPU ;-)
14:47<TimothyA>okay, so no more piping, yay
14:48<@jed>ipt_ACCOUNT is a special-purpose iptables target available from the netfilter project patch-o-matic-ng repository. It requires kernel patching and is not included in the mainline kernel.
14:48<@jed>ipt_ACCOUNT keeps byte counters per IP address in a given subnet, up to a '/8' network. Those counters can be read via a special "iptaccount" commandline tool.
14:48<randallman>he wants per user stats
14:48<randallman>as in users on his shell box :p
14:48<TimothyA> :|
14:49<@jed>the paper I linked has moar infos
14:49<randallman>Hmm kernel auditing? not able to audit who opened what socket to where?
14:49<@jed>ip_conntrack_acct sounds fun
14:50<MaZ->derp, chinese attempting to hax0r mah ssh!"
14:53<TimothyA>fail2ban has some funny logs
14:53<TimothyA>"wapanese in zyztem"
14:53<MaZ->this was annoying
14:54<MaZ->only reason i care is because it was causing IO wait O_o
14:54<mdcollins>use ip tables to limit # of connections..
14:54<HoopyCat>TimothyA: digging around /proc is a reasonable pastime and something i should do more often
14:55<TimothyA>anyhow, time to continue with my web devving
14:55<TimothyA>I shall revisit this later
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15:02<randallman>HoopyCat, I wrote a terrible perl script called that gave me good infost based on tcp and udp files in proc... And gave me user, source, dest, sport, dport, etc...
15:02<randallman>Before netstat supported that :0
15:02<randallman>still works, to this day
15:02<MaZ->mdcollins: yea i forgot to re-add rate limit when i changed my fw script
15:02<randallman>wrote it in 1999
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15:08<jhersh2>How's it going?
15:08<Learned>hey hoppycat and jed: using drupal with views notice none of my views are cached which prob hit the db alot.
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15:08<Learned>think that will help?
15:08<@jed>wait, I'm helping with this?
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15:09<HoopyCat>randallman: heehee... i can't recall some of the horrors i've made over the years to crawl /proc
15:10<randallman>Good for you :)
15:10<randallman>Better to forget some things :0
15:10<HoopyCat>Learned: the goal is to get requests in, process them, and get them out as quickly as possible. so caching can probably help, especially with low MaxClients settings
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15:18<Talman>One would think that if one executes a promissory note, signed, and witnessed in front of a judge, that they would pay, right?
15:19<bd_>If they have money, yes, they'll pay, one way or another.
15:20<Talman>I'm currently at the: Hi, we saw you haven't paid by the deadline. Please tell us how you paid and when you sent the payment.
15:22<Talman>I was wondering about this...
15:22<Talman>For example, Soneira discarded Sharp’s Quattron TVs that claimed to display four primary colors (as opposed to the traditional three) as utter nonsense. He explained in an earlier Maximum PC guest article that all television and movie content is produced and color balanced in the traditional RGB color arrangement. Sharp Quattron’s fourth primary color is yellow, and there is nothing for it to do because yellow is already reproduced with
15:22<Talman> mixtures of the red and green primaries, he said.
15:23<Talman>What's the point of having Yellow in your LCD matrix when... everything is RGB.
15:23<spkitty>a CMYK tv would be interesting though
15:23<Talman>Yeah, but you'd need CMYK content, wouldn't you?
15:23<Talman>If I remember correctly, they used to make CMYK monitors for Sun and Apple.
15:23<spkitty>yeah for it to look better
15:24<spkitty>also if you want to extend RGB you'd need 6 colours
15:24<spkitty>light versions of each on top of the normal
15:24<spkitty>or was it dark versions of each ...
15:24<spkitty>haha HoopyCat
15:24<Talman>I mean, they got fucking George Takei in a lab coat talking about these Sharp TVs.
15:25<Talman>You have to be kidding me.
15:25<Talman>"The finance chair was on vacation last week and was sending it out this week." Why we weren't paid by the deadline.
15:25<daevien>LATE FEE!
15:25<Talman>No provision in the promissory note.
15:26<Talman>Technically its null and void, and I should begin a negative media campaign.
15:26<Talman>But I'd much rather have the money.
15:26<daevien>hmm deadline but no consequence sof missin git?
15:26<Talman>The consquence is that we are no longer bound by the agreement.
15:26<Talman>Which means I can begin raping them again.
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15:37<Talman>What the hell is this.
15:38<Pryon>old news is what it is
15:39<Talman>Why's it dated today? :)
15:39<Pryon>Maybe it's a different (newer) extension
15:39<Pryon>But media outlets reporting old news as new news is nothing new
15:41*TimothyA wonders why his linode is so popular with everyone in russia and hungary
15:41<Talman>Everyone's linode is!
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15:44<@pparadis>in soviet russia, linode deploys you
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15:53<Pryon><Ren>Mmmmmmmm. Glaaaaaazed Tuuuuurnip.</Ren>
15:58<@jed>ITT: Redmond did something and it's wrong!!!!! Whargarrrrbl!
15:58*jed sighs
15:58<@jed>windows update has been slapping something in firefox for eons, IIRC, for .NET support
15:59<Pryon>It's polite to ask first, though.
16:02<daevien>they had been jed but i think firefox smackedthem around for it and they stopped for a bit
16:03<daevien>looks like they figured firefox wasn't looking and they woudl try again :p
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16:17<mendel>wow, heh
16:17<mendel> has address
16:17<mendel> has address
16:17*mendel considers asking for a different IP address before that starts biting him
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16:21<orvlnet>hi guys
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16:22<orvlnet>does anyone know of a quality simple setup guide for ffmpeg on my Ubuntu 9 linode?
16:23<orvlnet>I don't think there's a guide in the Linode library...
16:24<orvlnet>anybody here?
16:25<straterra>That's not linode specific at all
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16:26<Defenestrator>orvlnet: set up as in install, or as in "need settings for my specific uses" ?
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16:26<orvlnet>just a basic install guide (or script) for use with PHP
16:27<orvlnet>I've never installed ffmpeg for php before and i don't want to screw up my Linode
16:27<fourty-mike-mike>i think there's a LAMP stackscript isn't there?
16:27<fourty-mike-mike>orvlnet, use Ubuntu 10 and apt-get to install everything
16:27<fourty-mike-mike>then you can always apt-get delete it
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16:28<mdcollins>woot, got rid of one more bill, so now i can afford more linodes!
16:28<Defenestrator>There's a package, at least in 10.04, called "php-ffmpeg"
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16:28<fourty-mike-mike>apt-get install apache2 php5 php5-cli ffmpeg -y
16:28<fourty-mike-mike>apt-get install php-ffmpeg
16:28<orvlnet>ok thanks
16:28<fourty-mike-mike>the great thing about linode is
16:28<fourty-mike-mike>if you really fsck it all up
16:28<mdcollins>unfortunately, i dont need any more.. so itll probably go towards some other bill..
16:28<fourty-mike-mike>just deploy a new ubuntu copy and start over
16:29<Defenestrator>orvlnet: you may need the "ffmpeg" package as well, if you need to actually convert stuff and not just grab metadata.
16:29<orvlnet>yep, i've got all my valuables backed up so no worries
16:29<orvlnet>thanks guys
16:29<HoopyCat>orvlnet: depending on which codecs you need, you MIGHT end up having to compile your own ffmpeg due to licensing issues
16:29<HoopyCat>orvlnet: but give it a shot from apt first
16:29<orvlnet>thanks, will do
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16:41*DavidWhite JUST heard of SELF for the 1st time ever.... and is visiting his folks in Greenville, SC right now (leaving Saturday afternoon)....
16:41*DavidWhite wonders if I could get up there for part of the day tomorrow
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16:46<DavidWhite>Is there an IRC back channel for people attending SELF?
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16:53<JoeK>are domains case sensitive?
16:53<JoeK>eg: i bought, cna i use in links? (and will it stay that way)
16:53<JoeK>or does it not matter
16:54<erikh>no, they are not case sensitive.
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17:22<TheJoe>TF2 is now on Mac if anyone cares
17:22<TheJoe>Free to play for the weekend
17:23<@jed>wait, what?
17:23<@jed>free to play?
17:23<@jed>as in, I can install it for no charge?
17:23<TheJoe>It will disable after the free weekend, though
17:23<@jed>TheJoe: I got excited. :(
17:23<TheJoe>It's 50% off, though
17:24<TheJoe>And *gasp* if you play it on a Mac you get an exclusive hat
17:24<jcy>i will find out what this hat looks like a prepare to dominate the SHIT out of that person
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17:25<TheJoe>jcy: It's a pair of Apple headphones.
17:25<TheJoe>iPod generic white ones
17:25<jcy>omg YES. YES, I WANT TO SMASH
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17:26<jcy>oh man i haven't played much tf2 since the last update, but i'm going to install it again
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17:27<TheJoe>It is so much fun
17:27<TheJoe>There's even an offline training mode now
17:27<TheJoe>For reals.
17:27<jcy>it was a lot of fun until it became clear that the B team at valve was put in charge of updates
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17:27<jcy>probably starting w/ the scout update
17:28<TheJoe>jcy: Also don't bother trying to install now
17:28<TheJoe>The servers are getting hammered
17:28<TheJoe>You can't even launch any games
17:28<jcy>hmmmm i might have a dvd backup of tf2 somewhere
17:28<TheJoe>Doesn't matter
17:28<jcy>i have that terrible habit of not labeling my dvd's so i'd have to hunt for it
17:28<TheJoe>you'd still have to install the updates
17:28<jcy>oh yeah i know
17:29<jcy>but the backup might mitigate that
17:29<TheJoe>It's only got the updates from before it was backed up
17:29<TheJoe>Any updates between then and now would be a culmulative download
17:29<TheJoe>The Mac update on its own is 300MB, and the servers are being hammered so I'm only getting it at 150kb/s
17:30<jcy>mac update of what?
17:30<jcy>the tf2 install is like 6GB's i think
17:30<@jed>it just said 3 for me
17:30<@jed>2,552 MB
17:31<TheJoe>jed: Oh you got it?
17:31<@jed>no, "Too busy", as usual
17:31<@jed>went through this for portal, too
17:31<jcy>oh just 3GB's then
17:31<TheJoe>Did you manage to get Portal?
17:31<@jed>yeah, I kept trying for an hour ... it'd get to 75% and be too busy, 81%, 89%, etc
17:32<TheJoe>It's worth the wait imo
17:32<@jed>beat it on 360
17:32<@jed>yes it is.
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17:32<@jed> is full of win, too
17:32<TheJoe>Not really
17:32<jcy>TheJoe what classes do you play
17:32<TheJoe>That's going to split the playerbase so much
17:33<TheJoe>jcy: Heavy, Soldier, Demo, Scout and Sniper mostly
17:33<@jed>I've honestly never played TF2
17:33<@jed>I played everything else from the orange box but never got around to TF2
17:33<TheJoe>jcy: I'll play Engineer on specific maps
17:33<jcy>too bad, you should've played in the early days when it was a lot more balanced
17:33<TheJoe>Half-Life 2 is incredible
17:33<jcy>it really is the most refeshing MP game to come along in a long time
17:34<TheJoe>jcy: Oh yeah
17:34<TheJoe>It's so much better than the chaotic crap like Quake
17:34<@jed>haha, now I made it angry
17:35<TheJoe>Which is alright if you're looking for a bit of quick fun
17:35<TheJoe>jed: The Steam Client is hilariously unoptimised
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17:35<TheJoe>You know even after the latest update there are still 6 year old bugs?
17:35<@jed>I got HL2 again because, well, it's HL2 ... I'm almost to ravenholm and I don't want to play any more
17:36<@jed>in the dark, anyway
17:36<TheJoe>jed: Keep going
17:36<TheJoe>It's amazing
17:36<@jed>I know, I've beaten it thrice
17:36<TheJoe>Ah right
17:36<@jed>ravenholm scares the shit out of me enough I don't feel like continuing
17:36<@jed>haha, no
17:36<@jed>I do jump though
17:36<TheJoe>Get a hold of Thief Deadly Shadows and then play Shalebridge Cradle
17:36<TheJoe>The level
17:36<@jed>the basement in one of the episodes is worse
17:37<@jed>wasn't that episode 1
17:37<TheJoe>Oh god
17:37<TheJoe>I actually colapsed with relief when I got out there and saw Kleiner talking on the monitor
17:37<jcy>one thing that never fails though is valve's utterly awesome sense of humor
17:38<jcy> the Team Fortress 2 team has maintained its unswerving commitment to our user base: to put more hats per square inch in our game than any other piece of media in human history
17:38<TheJoe>jed: The final Strider battle in Ep2 is even worse
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17:38<TheJoe>Not for fear factor but purely because it's tiring
17:39<grubby>Damn those slow magnusson dispensers
17:39<TheJoe>They weren't slow, the Hunters just got them before you did
17:40<TheJoe>Oh right the dispensers
17:40<TheJoe>And the houses never restocked with ammo
17:40<grubby>Oh yeah, that was annoying
17:40<TheJoe>Eventually the car becomes your only weapon
17:40<kenichi>oh man that was my fav part of that episode
17:41<TheJoe>And if the Vorts don't bring back Eli I'm gonna be mad....
17:41<grubby>I think the most annoying part is destroying a strider's hunter buddies, getting a magnusson on him, and then he turns around and starts shooting at you
17:42<@jed>once I figured out you could paint the saw blade with the paint bucket in ravenholm life got so much better
17:42<@jed>I got tired of running around and looking for it
17:42<TheJoe>jed: There's like 50,000 saw blades
17:42<@jed>ha, wouldn't say that many
17:42<@jed>there's never one where you need one!
17:42<TheJoe>Protip: Take Dog's ball with you
17:43<TheJoe>The one in the scrapyard
17:43<grubby>i'm replaying half life 2, and I'm in ravenholm right now - I didn't know you could paint the saw blades :|. I was carrying a bunch with me but I lost them
17:43<TheJoe>It makes an awesome weapon, since it's a friendly roller mine
17:45*mdcollins is also replaying half life 2..
17:46<@jed>I think everyone with a mac is
17:46<mdcollins>nah, windows 7 here
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17:46<mdcollins>although i played half life 2 ep 2, then half life 2, then ill probably visit hl2 ep 1 again
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17:47<TheJoe>I actually only finished ep2 for the first time a few days ago
17:47<@jed>there it goes
17:47<@jed>1.7 MB/s
17:47<TheJoe>jed: I hit 3.3MB/s last night :>
17:47<TheJoe>Just gonna rub that in
17:47<@jed>maybe if valve hosted with Linode they could keep up, eh?
17:48<TheJoe>Give him your referal link (if you have one anyway. Is that taken away from employees?)
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17:49<mdcollins>i have a habit of buying the hl2 games as soon as they come out, which means i then immediately play it until i finish it.
17:49<TheJoe>Oh god
17:49<TheJoe>E3 on Monday
17:49<mdcollins>i havent heard anything about ep 3 yet..
17:50<mdcollins>just portal 2
17:50<TheJoe>Portal 2
17:50<TheJoe>Got delayed
17:50<TheJoe>Until 2011
17:50<mdcollins>oy.. figures.. valve is full of delays.. hence 6 years between hl1 and hl2
17:50<mdcollins>and tf2 and hl2 ep3 and now portal 2
17:51<TheJoe>I forgive them for TF2
17:51<mdcollins>its awesome
17:51<TheJoe>We got a $250 donation to our server recently
17:52<TheJoe>Paid off the rest of the year
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17:52<TheJoe>And we're buying a US server soon
17:52<JoeK>-bash: ./ /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
17:52<JoeK>anybody knows what that means?
17:52<Yaakov>JoeK: Yes.
17:53<Yaakov>JoeK: Run dos2unix on that file.
17:54<Yaakov>try "fromdos <file that is the problem>
17:54<Yaakov>try "fromdos <file that is the problem>"
17:55<JoeK>thats not a command
17:55<TheJoe>Install dos2unix
17:55<JoeK>available from apt?
17:55<@pparadis>server1:~# apt-cache search dos2unix
17:55<@pparadis>tofrodos - Converts DOS <-> Unix text files, alias tofromdos
17:55<Yaakov>Sure, though I would expect you to have it.
17:55<TheJoe>Where else?
17:56<TheJoe>Yaakov: Was that some odd, geeky irony or are you serious?
17:56<JoeK>fromdos worked
17:56<JoeK>what did it do?
17:56<JoeK>my guess is it altered the file to do somethin
17:56<Yaakov>It fixed the line endings.
17:56<@pparadis>crlf & company
17:56<Yaakov>The ^M was the giveaway.
17:57<JoeK>so if i upload that to the place where i originally got it from
17:57<JoeK>i wouldnt need to run dos2unix on it, right>
17:57<JoeK>(the modified file)
17:57<Yaakov>Right. It was editied in notepad or something.
17:57<JoeK>wordpad xD
17:58<Yaakov>Don't DO that.
17:58<Yaakov>Get Komodo Edit.
17:58<JoeK>i dont have my normal editing software
17:58<JoeK>i usually use notepad++
18:02<Yaakov>Get Komodo Edit.
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18:09<Learned>Hoppycat and jed thanks your suggestions and being wiser about caching has helped alot i will look into authcache and memcache solutions for drupal
18:11<@jed>are you sure you're not thinking of someone else
18:11<@jed>I don't remember helping you :>
18:12<Learned>you said lower max clients to 5 or 10
18:12<Learned>for apache
18:12<Learned>drupal is reporting 473 connections and site is fine
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18:27<@jed>Learned: ah :>
18:33<Learned>is there a command to really see the number of connections at one time?
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18:36<hobot>man whoever said RT is a beast was not lying
18:36<hobot>at all
18:40<@pparadis>that was me
18:40<@pparadis>and i wasn't lying :)
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18:43<hobot>no you were not
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18:48<JoeK>pparadis is a lie
18:48<JoeK>even in soviet russia
18:54<JoeK>You don't have permission to access /irc/logs/linode.log-2009-09-24 on this server.
18:54<JoeK>this cannot be
18:54<Talman>Its been like that for months.
18:54<Talman>Someone at Linode should fix the /logs/ permissions
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19:07<Boohemian>Perihelion: yes :)
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19:24<encode>Talman: only special people are allowed to view linode logs
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19:25<encode>the rest of us have to make our own
19:26<Talman>Why put it on the website? :)
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19:32<tylr>Hi folks,.
19:33<tylr>It's a showdown between Linode and Media Temple (ve), I was hoping you folks could help sway me to the Linode side of the fence.
19:33<Talman>What's media templte giving you?
19:33<Talman>VPS or shared hosting?
19:34<laser`>Doesn't MT have a pretty bad reputation for stability on it's grid thingy?
19:34<spkitty>ugh don't go for MT
19:34<tylr>Talman: VPS
19:34<Talman>I just use Linode.
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19:34<spkitty>here tylr
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19:35<Talman>Here, I can just end this real quick. That's OpenVZ.
19:35<tylr>Thanks spkitty
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19:35<Talman>Go with a Xen based VPS provider.
19:35<spkitty>mediatemple are seriously bad in performance and in service and in price
19:35<spkitty>there is literally no reason to go with them unless you are fooled by their massive marketing campaign of using famous web designers and developers
19:36<spkitty>(as i was once fooled)
19:36<Talman>Of course they're slow.
19:36<Talman>They're using OpenVZ.
19:36<spkitty>yeah see i didn't know what that meant back then (this was abotu 5 or so years back)
19:36<Talman>If you see a provider talking about Virtuszzo 4 or whatever its spelled as your VPS control panel, it's gonna be OpenVZ based and therefore bitbuckets and other crap.
19:36<Talman>I know. :)
19:37<Talman>Linode needs a massive marketing campaign of "it just fucking works."
19:37<Talman>I know the Ruby on Rails guys love Linode. Officially.
19:37<Talman>I forget if Drupal does.
19:37<tylr>Alright that helps, I'm new to this stuff. I just know I want to run a Textpattern blog/zine and would like stability and security. I'm basically new to this whole server admin stuff and VPS is completely new to me.
19:37<DephNet[Paul]>Media Temple? Aren't they the guys that get hacked pretty much every year?
19:38<spkitty>yeah see it was the RoR lot that got me onto linode
19:38<Talman>tylr: Do you have experience managing Linux based operating systems?
19:38<spkitty>DephNet[Paul]: yep
19:38<tylr>Talman: Not at all, I've only used and I'm wanting full control now.
19:39<Talman>tylr: Then go with Linode. BUT, before you do, look at the linode library.
19:39<spkitty>why are you moving from wordpress to textpattern?
19:39<Talman>That'll help you understand what you're going to be doing. You're in complete control, all right, both MT and Linode are unmanaged.
19:40<tylr>spkitty: I like the simplicity and community around it. WP is great and all but I'd like to dip into something else to see if I like it.
19:40<Talman>Good news is that Linode has 1. library and 2. stackscripts which will help provide a secure starting point for your LAMP stack.
19:40<spkitty>MT will not help you if something goes wrong though, whereas linode will often go out of their way even if they dont cover it
19:40<Talman>MT is about like me. If there are certain out of scope things, I will eventually tell my clients to fuck off.
19:40<tylr>Oh great, that will help with setup (stackscripts). I'd be concerned about breaking something :)
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19:40<spkitty>MT actually wanted me to pay them for their fuckups
19:40<Talman>My fustration level is lower than Linode's.
19:41<Talman>I'm not that evil.
19:41<tylr>Are there any promos currently going on with Linode?
19:41<DephNet[Paul]>i got into Linode because I needed a provider that caters to geeks, and didn't like the Slicehost ToS
19:42<tylr>I suppose if I'm going to be operating my own site/VPS I'll have to become a geek. :)
19:42<DephNet[Paul]>tylr, not that i know of, but you get a 7 days refund guarentee, and after that its pro-rated
19:42<tylr>Okay great, that's helpful.
19:42<DephNet[Paul]>works out about 68c a day (i think)
19:43<Talman>They don't roll promotions.
19:43<tylr>In seven days I should have a framework site up and running.
19:43<Talman>Probably less than that.
19:43<tylr>Only asked because there is a promotional field in the sign-up form. :)
19:43<Talman>Its good that you're factoring in a week to get your shit straight. :)
19:43<Talman>Some people expect to see their site up in 2 hours.
19:43<tylr>Oh man I'm not that optimistic. :)
19:44*DephNet[Paul] has been with Linode for over a year and his "shit" is still not straight :P
19:44<tylr>Do you have a referral code I can put in Talman?
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19:44<Talman>People frown on that question here.
19:45<Talman>Basically, if I didn't tell you to come to Linode from somewhere else, use this code:
19:45<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909
19:45<HoopyCat>tylr: leave it blank and the $20 will go to the linode beer/pizza fund
19:45<Talman>There's no free activation, that goes to the beer and pizza fund.
19:45<Talman>Or Caker's personal fund to take over the world.
19:45<HoopyCat>tylr: or use that one, and it'll go to the caker beer/pizza fund :-)
19:45<Talman>I need to actually put up a blog on my website.
19:45<Talman>Granted, I hate the way my website looks.
19:45<Talman> <- I wasn't part of the design process.
19:46<tylr>Hmm, yeah those process icons don't mesh with the feel of the site.
19:46<Talman>We seem to design weebs.
19:47<Talman>Yeah, one day I'll redo the site with a better template and make graphics myself.
19:47<Talman>Right now, though, the thing is... We don't actually market to anyone who knows what IRC, Linodes, etc are.
19:47<Talman>We market to sally soccer mom and joe six pack, and they think that shit is awesome.
19:47<HoopyCat>Talman: or timestamps on huge twitter sidebars ;-)
19:48<Talman>Yeah, I don't even use the company twitter...
19:49<DephNet[Paul]>loving the regular use of Twitter Talman ;)
19:50<Talman>I should look at my twitter...
19:50<tylr>Thanks for the advice guys. I'll be signing up this evening.
19:50<tylr>Glad to see a $20 entry point too.
19:50<Talman>Cool. Welcome to Linode, remember how you got here, this is useful.
19:51<tylr>I'll be returning tonight/tomorrow as I work through the process. :)
19:51<DephNet[Paul]>tylr, you wont go wrong with Linode
19:51<tylr>And I'll share a bit more about my site.
19:51<Talman>What's my referral code, anyway?
19:51<DephNet[Paul]>if you have a question, remember you have here and the forum
19:51<tylr>Great thanks for the encouragement DephNet[Paul].
19:52<tylr>Definitely, awesome, thanks guys, talk soon!
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19:52<Talman>Um, right, what IS my referral code? Where do you find it? :)
19:53<DephNet[Paul]>login and click "my account"
19:53<DephNet[Paul]>bottom of that page
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19:54<Talman>Um, I don't see my account.
19:54<Talman>I see Linodes, DNS Manager, Account, and SUpport
19:54<DephNet[Paul]>above that
19:54<Talman>Oh, my profile!
19:54<DephNet[Paul]>yeah, thats it
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20:32<Verxion>I just had my registrar changed for my DNS from my old web host
20:33<Verxion>Can someone tell me where linode has DNS information for domains in the linode?
20:34<HoopyCat>on the DNS Manager tab, after you log in, will be any domains you've set up
20:35<Verxion>I haven't set them up yet is the thing
20:35<jeromy>then they won't be there...
20:35<Verxion>well my apologies for this
20:36<Verxion>I'm used to things like having a primary and secondary name server
20:36<jeromy>you need to setup the nameservers at your registrar to, etc, etc..
20:36<Verxion>what I'mn not clear on is where on linode I can go to set up a secondary name service
20:36<dcraig>click "Add a new domain zone" in the DNS manager
20:36<jeromy>then use the DNS tab in the linode control panel to set the dns records
20:36<jeromy>Verxion: you don't need secondary... linode provides you with 5x nameservers!
20:36<HoopyCat>Verxion: so you have a nameserver already, and you're looking to slave linode's nameservers off of it? or do you just need the names of linode's nameservers?
20:37<jeromy>ns1, ns2, ns3, ns4, ns5
20:37<amitz>say, the only way to send a button to an when they display something (or send a button after n seconds) is using "expect" right? Any other not-overkill method?
20:37<amitz>s/to an/to an app/
20:39<dcraig>Verxion, are you just wanting to use linode's dns manager to provide nameservice for your domain, or are you trying to do something more interesting, like use linode's nameservers as secondary servers in conjunction with a primary nameserver you're already running?
20:41<Verxion>well I guess I'm not sure
20:42<Verxion>I'm used to using my registrar as my primary DNS
20:42<Verxion>and my web host as secondary DNS
20:42<dcraig>I see
20:42<Verxion>so it sounds like I can use linode as multiple DNS for it, and I'm fine with that
20:42<jeromy>Verxion: you should only use your registrar to set your nameservers... most registrars are very good at anything else...
20:42<Verxion>but won't I need to notify my registrar that my dns records are with linode before that would work>?
20:42<dcraig>well, you can use linode's nameservers as secondary nameservers that pull the records from your primary nameserver
20:43<jeromy>*are not very good....
20:43<dcraig>just pick the "slave" option when you add the domain in the dns manager
20:43<dcraig>verxion, it might depend on whether your registrar allows zone transfers to arbitrary hosts
20:44<Verxion>if they allow that, I've never done it
20:44<Verxion>so I'm not sure, hence my dilemma here, lol
20:44<dcraig>well, you've done it in the past, right?
20:44<Verxion>the guy that is my registrar is a friend of mine, I probably need to call him to find out
20:44<dcraig>in the past, did you have to specify a list of allowed secondary nameservers at your registrar?
20:44<Verxion>well what I've done in the past is just asked him to be my primary dns
20:44<Verxion>and he sets that up
20:45<Verxion>and then I told my old web host to be my secondary
20:45<Verxion>and they did it
20:45<dcraig>we could check whether your current primary nameserver allows zone transfers for your domain right now...
20:45<Verxion>so in this case, I'd really prefer to be in more control of it myself
20:45<Verxion>the domain in question is
20:46<dcraig>you're not currently using the nameservers provided by your registrar
20:46<dcraig>it looks like you're using the nameservers provided by a webhosting plan from
20:46<Verxion>right, I just found my registrar's page for managing this
20:47<Verxion>it is still set up for my old web host
20:47<dcraig>what's your registrar's nameservers?
20:47<Verxion>it has, which I believe is from my registrar
20:47<Verxion>and which is my old web host
20:47<Verxion>I have an option to change both of them
20:47<dcraig> is one of pair's nameservers, too
20:47<Verxion>or to remove them
20:47<Verxion>oh, ok
20:47<Verxion>then I lied
20:47<dcraig>neither of those are nameservers provided by your registar
20:47<Verxion>I guess both were with pair, I didn't realize that
20:48<dcraig>it would be simple to just use linode's DNS manager for everything
20:48<Verxion>so then I guess I just simply need to change them to be both with linode and update them
20:48<Verxion>sorry, it has literally been years since I dealt with dns directly
20:48<Verxion>like more than ten years, lol
20:48<dcraig>if you want to switch to linode for dns, you need to set up the domain in the dns manager
20:48<dcraig>and then switch the nameservers at your registrar
20:48<Verxion>so I'm in there
20:48<Verxion>linode manager
20:48<Verxion>dns manager
20:49<Verxion>add a new domain zone
20:49<Verxion>type is master
20:49<dcraig>very good
20:49<Verxion>I just put my domain in and submit?
20:49<Verxion>ok, so soa email
20:49<Verxion>is that me?
20:50<Verxion>ok, so on TTL
20:50<Verxion>memory is
20:50<Verxion>when I'm changing DNS, I want TTL to be low
20:50<Verxion>so it updates quick
20:50<Verxion>but generally speaking, if it isn't changing, you want TTL high
20:50<Verxion>is this right?
20:51<dcraig>if you don't change DNS records much, just use the default settings
20:51<Verxion>ok, done.
20:51<Verxion>registrar says the domain is locked
20:51<Verxion>lock must be removed to make dns changes
20:52*Verxion looks for the lock...
20:52<dcraig>before you switch to the linode nameservers, you should make sure you've added all of your dns records in the web interface
20:53<Verxion>ok, I messed that up then
20:53<dcraig>for example, you probably want and to point to some IP, maybe you have a different machine handling mail at, etc.
20:53<Verxion>I just added the linode nameservers
20:53<dcraig>you haven't really messed it up... you just haven't done it yet :p
20:53<Verxion>I vaguely remember that my registrar had MX records for my domain
20:54<Verxion>but I'm really not sure about that
20:54<Verxion>I basically want and to point to my linode
20:55<Verxion>I'm intending to do name based virtual hosting
20:55<dcraig>your current setup consists of the following two records...
20:55<dcraig> 3600 IN CNAME
20:55<dcraig> 3596 IN A
20:55<Verxion>man, thanks a ton for your help dcraig
20:55<dcraig>so you could set up similar records in the linode dns manager, but use your linode's IP
20:55<Verxion>I really appreciate it
20:55<dcraig>and your mail is currently handled by one of pair's servers
20:56<dcraig> 3589 IN MX 50
20:56<dcraig>so if your linode will be handling mail, too, then that should be changed
20:56<Verxion>basically I've got three domains that were just parked with pair -,, and
20:56<Verxion>I'm using those three as a "dry run" before I move my "real" domain -
20:57<Verxion>ok, under A/AAAA Records, it lists this in linode:
20:57<Verxion>Host Name empty, ip address, ttl default
20:57<Verxion>Host Name www, ip address, ttl default
20:57<Verxion>Host Name mail, ip address, ttl default
20:58<dcraig>yeah, it adds some records to get you started
20:58<Verxion>that is cool
20:58<Verxion>so from what little I remember, that looks right for the most part
20:58<dcraig>assuming is your linode's IP and you're going to start using your linode for mail, then those are OK
20:58<Verxion>but I'm wondering if I'm going to run into problems doing this for more domains
20:58<dcraig>what would the problem be?
20:58<Verxion>well on pair
20:58<Verxion>I had a "real" domain name for my ip
20:59<Verxion>so was my "real" domain name
20:59<Verxion>then my other domains were all subdirectory mappings within that first domain
20:59<dcraig>that's fairly easy to set up with apache
20:59<Verxion>so is mapped to
20:59<Verxion>I don't need it to remain that way
20:59<Verxion>just saying that is how pair did it
20:59<dcraig>each domain could have its very own directory
20:59<Verxion>I think I'd prefer what I understand is name based virtual hosting
21:00<Verxion>I want a directory for all the sweetlens sites
21:00<Verxion>they would be a "single site"
21:00<Verxion>then would be another site
21:00<Verxion>not sure the best way to set this all up
21:00<dcraig>that sounds fine
21:00<Verxion>ok, so for now I can just add the other two sweetlens domains as I did with the first one?
21:01<dcraig>eventually you'll need to figure out how to get the nameservers switched to linode's nameservers at your registrar's site
21:01<Verxion>I finished that
21:02<dcraig>your registrar only allows you to list two?
21:04<Verxion>ok, added all three domains at linode
21:04<Verxion>now updating registrar for the other two domains at registrar
21:06<Verxion>ok, now to add an index.html and possibly apache to my linode
21:06<Verxion>I have just a base install right now
21:06<dcraig>there is lots of linode-specific documentation online
21:07<dcraig>LAMP refers to setting up linux, apache, mysql, and php
21:07<dcraig>you could stop after apache if you want :)
21:07<Verxion>yeah, cool that they have all these docs
21:08<Verxion>well this is brilliant
21:08<Verxion>(and 100% my own fault)
21:09<Verxion>ahh, I never made a user, lol
21:09<Verxion>only have root
21:09<Verxion>was wondering why I couldn't log in! :)
21:09<randallman>Friends dont let friends login as root
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21:14<amitz>hmm, interesting deception technique, that is to change the uid of 0 as amitz and uid > 0 as root.
21:14<amitz>...can help.
21:14<Verxion>security through obscurity does not security make
21:14<randallman>what if there's some webapp that lets the end user cat /etc/passwd
21:14<randallman>now they know who is UID 0
21:15<Defenestrator>obscurity doesn't substitute for other methods of security, but it can help
21:15<amitz>randallman: yes but the key is to not be the lowest hanging fruit ;-)
21:15<randallman>Actually I totally agree :p obscurity is more valuable than many have represented in the past
21:17<amitz>wait... is "Defenestrator" like an aggressive defense?
21:17<Defenestrator>amitz: "Defenestrate" = to throw out of a window
21:18<amitz>ah... I thought it was defense and penetrator :-p
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21:19<dcraig>I securely penetrated your obscure defenses with my low-hanging fruit
21:21<Verxion>ok, so I'm following the lamp guide
21:21<Verxion>(thanks for the link! :) )
21:22<Verxion>I got to the section where we configure virtual hosts
21:22<Verxion>I want and to be identical
21:22<Verxion>do I just put the virtual hosts entry for the base domain?
21:22<Verxion>ie, I don't know if it will automatically respond on www or if I need to add an entry somewhere to make that happen
21:23<jeromy>Verxion: yes, and you'll list the www. subdomain as a ServerAlias
21:24<jeromy>in the virtual host container, the ServerName will be and the ServerAlias is does that make sense?
21:24<Verxion>it does
21:24<Verxion>what I'm not sure of though
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21:24<Verxion>is do I do the same thing for the others?
21:25<dcraig>if you want all the sweet* sites to be served from the same directory of files, you can add them all as ServerAliases
21:25<jeromy>and you want them all to be the same website?
21:25<jeromy>they all can be on the ServerAlias line
21:25<jeromy>seperated by spaces
21:25<Verxion>and it is ok that I put them all in the linode domain manager
21:25<dcraig>I didn't know you could have multiple sites on a ServerAlias line
21:25<dcraig>multiple ServerAlias entries also works
21:25<jeromy>dcraig: yep
21:25<jeromy>oh, never tried it that way
21:26<dcraig>Verxion, all of them *need* to be in the domain manager :)
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21:27<Verxion>I am liking this a lot
21:27<dcraig>you can also do some wildcard matching, like ServerAlias *
21:27<Verxion>it has been ages since I set up apache from scratch
21:27<dcraig>or maybe even *.sweet*.com
21:27<dcraig>but I'm not quite sure
21:28<Verxion>this is a LOT nicer than say 15+ years ago
21:28<dcraig>it'd be sad if nothing had improved in 15 years
21:28<Verxion>well true, lol
21:28<ericoc>*.sweet*.com sounds unlikely
21:28<ericoc>tempted to try it now
21:28<jeromy>lol, i never even tried using wildcards...
21:29<jeromy>well, i more likely set up many document roots, then have small landing pages/sites unique to each domain, then links on that page referring to the main domain...
21:31<dcraig>sounds complicated
21:32<Verxion>jeromy: in this particular case, since people are sometimes idiots
21:32<Verxion>the only reason I have ANY domains other than
21:32<Verxion>is because people oddly enough add things on their own
21:32<Verxion>so I wanted to capture it even if they remembered it wrong
21:33<Verxion>granted, I won't capture every wrong way to remember it...
21:33<ericoc>*.sweet*.com would work! huh, suprised
21:33<Verxion>but this is a bit like the whole security through obscurity thing
21:33<dcraig>with a few rewrite rules, you can make it so a request to gets redirected to
21:33<Verxion>dcraig: well I think this virtualhost thing will do just fine
21:33<dcraig>yeah, you'd use the rewrite rule in conjunction with it
21:34<Verxion>so the virtualhost isn't sufficient then?
21:34<dcraig>if someone types in, they'll see your homepage and will appear in their address bar
21:35<dcraig>but with a little trick, they could type in, still see your homepage, but would appear in their address bar
21:35<Verxion>yeah, I'd prefer it to actually "become"
21:35<Verxion>so, for example, if they bookmarked it, it would be
21:35<Verxion>instead of however they got there
21:35<ericoc>i use a rewrite rule so that anything where HTTP_HOST isn't "" gets redirected to so using the www. redirect (or any other [sub]domain)
21:35<Verxion>that is how it worked on pair
21:36<dcraig>under your ServerAlias lines, add something like the following...
21:36<dcraig>or, if you want to be the "official" domain (instead of just, make the modification...
21:37<dcraig>so pick ONE of those two blocks of code
21:37<dcraig>also, this all requires that mod_rewrite be enabled in apache, but I think it might be enabled by default
21:38<Verxion>Reloading web server config: apache2[Fri Jun 11 01:35:00 2010] [warn] VirtualHost overlaps with VirtualHost, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive
21:38<Verxion>[Fri Jun 11 01:35:00 2010] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
21:38<ericoc>what is RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^$ for
21:38<Verxion>I obviously munged something
21:38<Verxion>looks like the issue is this
21:39<dcraig>ericoc, in case someone from 1990 accesses your site with a browser that doesn't support HTTP 1.1
21:39<Verxion>default has a VirtualHost entry with the same ip as
21:39<ericoc>oh, screw them :\
21:40<dcraig>Verxion, did you miss the step in the docs where you add the NameVirtualHost line to /etc/apache2/ports.conf?
21:40<Verxion>ok, so I'm not understanding if I need to be worried about this or not
21:40<dcraig>yes, you should fix it
21:40<amitz>someone in other channel gives a suggestion I probably can't wrap my head into. How to send a button combination to a cli app programmatically? The person suggested me to use curses. How will the curses position itself? Curses running the app? Curses running along the app?
21:40<dcraig>which OS are you using?
21:41<amitz>oh me? linux
21:41<Verxion>no, I did that step
21:41<Verxion>I'm in debian
21:41<Verxion><IfModule mod_ssl.c> # SSL name based virtual hosts are not yet supported, therefore no # NameVirtualHost statement here NameVirtualHost Listen 443
21:41<amitz>gah, now I know what TimothyA felt :-p
21:42<dcraig>you don't need to worry about SSL yet
21:42<Verxion>amitz: curses is an text mode interface library you can use in a cli
21:42<amitz>TimothyA: the question, "are you talking to me?" :-p
21:42<Verxion>dcraig: just saying - I did the NameVirtualHost step
21:43<dcraig>it sure would be easier if I could read all your files and look for the error :p
21:43<amitz>Verxion: interface (verb)? so it's not just a library to construct an interface(noun)?
21:43<Verxion>dcraig: the issue seems to be that, by following the instructions, BOTH /etc/apache2/sites-available/default -and- /etc/apache2/sites-available/ have a line assigning VirtualHost to the same IP
21:44<Verxion>amitz: it is a library with which to construct an interface
21:44<dcraig>both have a NameVirtualHost line?
21:44<Verxion>lemme check, moment
21:44<dcraig>you can have multiple instances of <VirtualHost>
21:44<Verxion>I don't think either one does
21:44<Verxion>just the VirtualHost line
21:44<Verxion>the ports file is the one with the NameVirtualHost line
21:45<Verxion>yeah, neither one has NameVirtualHost
21:45<dcraig>for the default one, what is the ServerName?
21:45<Verxion>no entry for ServerName
21:46<dcraig>I'm thinking that you should just get rid of the default one
21:46<Verxion>I'm following that
21:46<Verxion>it had me add a VirtualHost entry in default
21:46<Verxion>so I did
21:46<HoopyCat> \o/
21:46<Verxion>well, not add - modify
21:48<dcraig>the problem, I think, is that the default entry will match any domain, whereas the sweetlens entry will match, etc., so you have two entries that match
21:48<Talman>Well, that was amusing.
21:48<Talman>Some woman shows up wanting a fedex package that was delivered last week. Roomate opened it already, since it was a check from his title company with someone else's name on it. She starts complaining to me, because I want ID before I give anything to her.
21:48<Verxion>dcraig: that sounds right
21:49<Verxion>oddly though, the example in the link I gave you does this very thing...
21:49<dcraig>I always get rid of the default one...
21:49<Talman>"I can let you talk to him on the phone!" No, you show me your Minnesota Driver's License and then we'll talk.
21:49<dcraig>you can remove it from the sites-available directory
21:49<dcraig>I mean sites-enabled :)
21:50<dcraig>and just leave it in sites-available
21:50<Talman>use the helper app.
21:50<Talman>a2dissite 000-default or whatever.
21:50<Talman>That way any other magic is taken care of.
21:50<dcraig>what magic occurs?
21:50<dcraig>I always just remove the symlink :(
21:51<Verxion>li119-40:/etc/apache2/sites-available# /etc/init.d/apache2 reloadapache2: Syntax error on line 281 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default: No such file or directory failed!
21:51<Verxion>oh, sites-enabled
21:51<dcraig>sounds like you did what I said you should do before I corrected myself :p
21:51<Verxion>I misunderstood
21:51<Verxion>ahh, I see now
21:51<dcraig>just delete it from sites-enabled now, too
21:52<dcraig>you don't need it
21:52<dcraig>everything will be FINE :D
21:53<Verxion>Reloading web server config: apache2[Fri Jun 11 01:53:01 2010] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
21:53<Verxion>I think this means it is warning me that I have no default?>
21:53<dcraig>no, somewhere you have a line that reads NameVirtualHost *:80
21:54<Verxion>ok, sec
21:54<dcraig>and you can get rid of it
21:54<Verxion>in the ports.conf
21:54<Verxion>NameVirtualHost *:80
21:54<Verxion>so should I change that to have my IP?
21:54<dcraig>oh, you were supposed to modify that one to include your linode IP
21:54<Verxion>oh, wait
21:54<dcraig>not add a new one
21:54<Verxion>I see what happened
21:55<Verxion>check out this comment:
21:55<Verxion><IfModule mod_ssl.c> # SSL name based virtual hosts are not yet supported, therefore no # NameVirtualHost statement here
21:55<dcraig>I sort of disagree with the need to specify the linode IP anywhere
21:55<Verxion>I read that comment where it says "NamVirtualHost statement here"
21:55<Verxion>and I added one.
21:55<dcraig>but I didn't write the guide :p
21:55<dcraig>oh, don't do that
21:56<Verxion>ok, that got it
21:56<Talman>What magic occurs depends on your distro's implementation of apache2. :)
21:56<dcraig>all that is referring to is if you ever want to use SSL, you need to realize that for SSL to work, each domain needs its own IP address, and you can no longer use name-based virtual hosting
21:57<dcraig>or, you can continue to use name-based virtual hosting and just enable SSL for *one* of your domains
22:00<linbot>Talman: linode: @aaronmccall Please let us know if you have any questions. <> || linode: Linode sponsors YAPC, fosscon, and SELF - <> || linode: New Library Article: Build Database Clusters with MongoDB <> || linode: @jreynolds This (6 more messages)
22:00<Talman>Guess all of Linode IS going to YAPC.
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22:10<HoopyCat>except for the linoders going to fosscon
22:16<amitz>or linoders who have to google what this YAPC or fosscon are all about. ;-)
22:17<amitz>who started this "yet another bla bla" anyway?
22:27<HoopyCat>"All residence hall rooms are carpeted* and are furnished with lofted beds, desks, chairs blah blah blah"
22:27<HoopyCat>* Some residence hall rooms have no carpeting
22:28<amitz>HoopyCat: you're moving? or the last line is their quote?
22:28<Talman>I know YAPC, I think I know FOSScon, what's SELF?
22:29<HoopyCat>amitz: naw, just flipping through the owner's manual for my next three years
22:29<Talman>Lofted beds, is that the bunk bed with a desk underneath it?
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22:30<HoopyCat>Talman: probably. fortunately, being a non-traditional student, my office is large enough to house five students
22:31<Talman>Non-traditional student: What, are you faculty? :)
22:31<amitz>Talman: no, serious geek. :-p
22:32<Talman>Serious geeks aren't given offices, amitz. :)
22:32<amitz>*sigh*, time to poof
22:32<amitz>oh yea, the're given basements :-p
22:33<HoopyCat>Talman: i signed my first mortgage on this house while these young whipper-snappers were pining for 5th grade to be over
22:33<Talman>Oh, so you don't have to attend a dorm.
22:33<Talman>This is always superior to dorm, a house.
22:33<jeromy>amitz: a true geek would prefer a basement
22:33<HoopyCat>Talman: i'm also a transfer student and don't have to anyway
22:33<straterra>get off of my bedrock
22:34<straterra>damn kids
22:34<Santo>leenodah eh
22:35<Talman>When can we have a Linodecon?
22:35<randallman>right now! :P
22:35<straterra>linodecon is when newark dies and everyone floods the chan
22:35<HoopyCat>straterra: pastebin an mtr plz
22:36<Talman>"Is dallas down?"
22:37<HoopyCat>turtles :-(
22:37<straterra>mtr to
22:37<straterra>err ipv6
22:38<HoopyCat>20% packet loss on the last hop?
22:38<straterra>shouldnt be
22:39<HoopyCat>noone ever wants the packet loss; maybe i'll start offering freshly-ground peppercorns
22:39<HoopyCat>straterra: freshly-ground peppercorns on the last hop?
22:39<HoopyCat>*twist* *twist* *twist*
22:39<straterra>see the he tunnel name?
22:39<straterra>ITS MINE
22:40<HoopyCat>straterra: actually, i don't see it, 'cuz i'm too close. all i see is rtucker-2
22:40<straterra>you should still see it
22:41<straterra>its the hop right before mine
22:41<straterra>pastebin it
22:42<straterra>thats not a pastebin of mtr to
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22:43<straterra>err it is
22:43<HoopyCat>straterra: oh sorry,
22:43<HoopyCat>straterra: it's because we're connected to the same router mang
22:43<straterra>unless he took off the rnds for the tunnels
22:44<straterra>it should still show our tunnels
22:44<HoopyCat>straterra: you'll probably see it if you mtr
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22:45<HoopyCat>straterra: why would it? my next hop is their end of my tunnel, the next hop after that is your end of your tunnel
22:45<straterra>i unno
22:45<straterra>shut up
22:45<HoopyCat>straterra: (p.s. if you do mtr me, i'd be interested in a pastebin of it)
22:46<HoopyCat>afk for a sec
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22:53<Verxion>dcraig: are you still here?
22:53<Verxion>or is there someone that knows the Rewrite stuff in apache?
22:55<Verxion>hrm, I'm guessing mod_rewrite isn't loaded
22:55<Verxion>so I need to figure out how to load it
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23:03<ericoc>Verxion: in the main apache config file [thinking apache2.conf on debian?]
23:03<ericoc>Verxion: uncomment LoadModule line for mod_rewrite
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23:09<Solver>mtr is quite a nice tool
23:10<erikh>fuhell sounds really familiar
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23:13<SelfishMan>erikh: straterra
23:13<SelfishMan>!f straterra
23:14<erikh>I have seen these photos
23:14<erikh>by force I believe, one of you tricked me into seeing them who knows how long ago
23:15<daevien>lies, you were teh photographer is the rumor
23:18<erikh>guitarist troll
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23:20<JustNuts>I think I'm jsut about to attempt the pain and frustration of getting FreeBSD working on my Linode.
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23:29<erikh>best of luck!
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23:34<JustNuts>Thanks erikh
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23:50<HoopyCat>many will enter, few will win
23:51<encode>I'm feeling lucky. I'm sure I'll win.
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23:53<encode>by contrast, JustNuts just wasn't up to the competition
23:53<Verxion>ok, if I look in mods_enabled
23:53<Verxion>rewrite isn't even in there
23:53<Verxion>so what package contains rewrite?
23:54<encode>Verxion: it should have a line like this in tehre
23:54<encode>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 May 12 15:42 rewrite.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/rewrite.load
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23:55<encode>as in, rewrite.load should be a symlink to the actual module in mods-available
23:55<encode>i think there's a command to create the symlink, or you can just do it manually
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23:55<encode>try: a2enable mod_rewrite
23:57<Verxion>says mod_rewrite doesn't exist
23:57<Torenn>Guys do you see anything wrong with this NAT chain rule?
23:57<Torenn>-A PREROUTING -d -p tcp -m tcp --dport 3306 -j DNAT --to-destination
23:58<encode>Verxion: I might have that command wrong. It might be sudo a2enmod rewrite
23:58<Torenn>tcpdump on lo is silent :-/
23:58<encode>i'm not too sure, since I usually just create the symlink manually
23:58<encode>can you see rewrite.load in /etc/apache2/mods-available ?
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23:59<Torenn>Hmmm *sighs*
23:59<encode>Torenn: I'm not that great with iptables I'm afraid
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