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---Logopened Sun Jun 13 00:00:26 2010
00:01<TimothyA>xD
00:02<amitz>fuck people and their weird naming choices.
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00:03<DavidWhite>How hard is it to move an existing linode from 1 datacenter to another one?
00:03<@caker>what's the new, horrific rickroll video that's been going around lately? - some girl's school video of her dancing around and singing
00:03<@jed>chocolate rainnnnn
00:03<pwnguin>goatse?
00:03<@caker>DavidWhite: submit a ticket, we set up a button, you press it, and then your data moves to the new facility, and you get a new IP
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00:03<TimothyA>eurgh...many tutorials on how to find an user's user id...
00:04<TimothyA>but none to find the username related to an user id >_<
00:04<pwnguin>uh
00:04<DavidWhite>Nice. Sounds seamless to me. I'm going to place my new linode in NJ then
00:04<charlie_>TimothyA, grep "123" /etc/passwd
00:04<DavidWhite>(I may move it to Atlanta in the future, but for now, I'm living in Boston, and it only makes sense to have it closer)
00:05<TimothyA>there's no opensauce utility that does that for me? :P
00:05<TimothyA>there is 'id', i'm pretty sure there is an opposite of that
00:05<charlie_>i'm sure there is, but that command works too
00:05<pwnguin>you can grep passwd or theres probably a util i i look her
00:05<@caker>charlie_: not very reliable since grep 123 would match a uid or gid of 1234
00:05<pwnguin>if i look harder
00:05<@caker>er, nm the gid part.
00:05<charlie_>caker, grep "123:" or whatever maybe
00:05<pwnguin>getent?
00:05<charlie_>use some regex magic ;-)
00:06<@jed>getent
00:06<@caker>charlie_: ok, that would match 1123: :)
00:06<@jed>getent passwd 0 <- tada
00:07<@jed>getent passwd 0 | cut -d':' -f 1
00:07<charlie_>caker, grep "x:123:" /etc/passwd
00:07<charlie_>^ win
00:08<charlie_>assuming you don't have passwords in your /etc/passwd file
00:08<@jed>quit grepping passwd, it doesn't account for unique nsswitch setups
00:08<@jed>i.e., it won't work on a LDAP, RADIUS, etc system
00:08<pwnguin>getent probably works better with ldap and other stuff
00:08<@jed>getent will
00:08<pwnguin>damn lag
00:11<pwnguin>ok, is there a diff utility that will automerge comments?
00:12<@jed>what language?
00:12<pwnguin>random config files
00:12<pwnguin>looks like php right now
00:13<@jed>no idea
00:14<pwnguin>its just a bit annoying that debian upgades warn on comments changes like spelling fixes on upgrade
00:14<amitz>straterra: I see what you mean about chinese knock off electronic not using copper. It's in front of me right now.
00:14<DavidWhite>I can't believe that I ordered, paid for, configured, and booted my new VPS in under 10 minutes
00:15*DavidWhite is excited to play with his first Linode
00:15<pwnguin>the glory of automation
00:16<DavidWhite>Question: can I give my host a custom name? I renamed it in the Linode Manager, but is this a setting that I can change in the VPS itself? (I suppose I could just go look and try editing the config file) :)
00:17<DavidWhite>I suppose I can do it with hostname {new name} ... once I do that, I should reboot
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00:18<MarkJ>you don't need to reboot after changing the hostname
00:18<daevien>http://library.linode.com/using-linux/administration-basics
00:18<MarkJ>logout and login again and you should find the dash prompt updated
00:18<DavidWhite>oh ok, nice
00:18<daevien>lots of info there for you DavidWhite
00:19<MarkJ>also for the first part, if you mean the name in your list of linodes, no that's just for differentiating your linodes easily
00:19<MarkJ>it doesn't 'do' anything
00:19<DavidWhite>Got it
00:19<daevien>sure it does. makes it easier to NOT reboot the wrong linode :p
00:19<MarkJ>haha
00:19<MarkJ>Sounds like someone's been there!
00:19<daevien>nah, not with a linode. with servers on a network and a bunch of ssh windows open or virtual servers and badly named things
00:20<daevien>but it's relatively easy since my main linode is a 540 and others i've had were 360s
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00:24<TimothyA>hrmm.... how to display in netstat what program is running under another user when not being root...
00:25<amitz>what do you call that door bolt that you twist to lock?
00:25<daevien>deadbolt
00:25<@jed>http://www.reddit.com/r/vuvuzela/
00:26<@jed>HAHAHAHA
00:26<@jed>reddit++
00:26<amitz>thanks daevien
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00:32<DavidWhite>Thanks, daevien. This will be helpful - I'm somewhat of a server admin now (I've worked for the past year helping to configure and maintain a couple dedicated boxes for an NGO up here in Boston), but I'll be the 1st to admit I've got a lot to learn.
00:33<DavidWhite>(probably) the last question of the night: The version of Linux that is deployed - is it a minimalist install?
00:33<DavidWhite>(I'm guessing so, since apache isn't installed)
00:34<daevien>yeah, it's basically just the bare install of whatever distro you picked with the linode kernel stuff & ssh server added
00:34<daevien>in some cases, it's even trimmed down more than the normal bare isntalls to make it easier to optimize stuff
00:35<daevien>you basically have linux + way to remotely access it, nothign else. so you can add whatever you want to it without having to worry about removing things or whatever
00:36<DavidWhite>Ok, nice. Just the way I want it.
00:36*DavidWhite wants to configure things himself
00:38<TimothyA>is there a config file somewhere which forces a specific command to be always run as root, regardless of user?
00:39<Aletheuo>TimothyA: you could do sudo or setuid, setuid being very insecure
00:40<TimothyA>I don't really want to put my root password in an file :x
00:42<Aletheuo>thats not how sudo works
00:42<Aletheuo>its a secure way to run commands with root access
00:42<TimothyA>k
00:42<TimothyA>so...how do i enter the password of the user trying to access it when www-data has no shell...
00:42*TimothyA thinks
00:43<Aletheuo>in fact its better practice to always use sudo and not login with root
00:43<TimothyA>oh, it does have a shell
00:43<TimothyA>I'm trying to automate this :P
00:43<TimothyA>and it's refusing to execute a command, at all
00:43<TimothyA>it will just show the path to the command I'm trying to execute
00:45<TimothyA>and in my script it will return nothing >_<
00:45<TimothyA>debugging without errors is fun!
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00:52<TimothyA>sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified <-- there we go :|
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00:54<TimothyA>screw it, I'll just write it directly in python
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00:55<pwnguin>ls
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01:02<Talman>sudo -o ?
01:02<Talman>I forget, its been years.
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01:09<HoopyCat>TimothyA: you could, for what it's worth, tell sudo to allow particular commands to be run by particular users without a password
01:15<amitz>it has high worth.
01:21<Talman>Um, internet, question? Is H2 tritium?
01:22<Talman>No, that'd be H3.
01:22<Talman>What's H2?
01:22<metap|pe_>deuterium?
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01:23<Talman>Some photo chemical stuff mixes sufuric acid + hydrogen peroxide, which gives off H2 gas as a byproduct of reaction.
01:23<Talman>This sounds awesome, just not sure what H2 is.
01:23<amitz>fart, iirc
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01:24<amitz>i meant fart smell.
01:24<amitz>or is that H2BlaBla. oh well.
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01:28<HoopyCat>Talman: H subscript 2? that'd be a molecule of two hydrogen atoms
01:29<HoopyCat>Talman: (the usual state of ordinary, run-of-the-mill hydrogen)
01:29<Talman>Ah, does it have a name?
01:29<Talman>Ah, ok.
01:29<Talman>I though H was just H.
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01:29<Talman>H3 is an unstable isotope cause of the third hiydrogen moecule?
01:30<Talman>... Its like hydrogen, but it has the HI in it cause it likes you?
01:30<Talman>(I should turn on a light)
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01:30<HoopyCat>Talman: isotope is a completely different concept
01:30<Talman>Ah, don't look at me, I went to a public high school.
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01:33<HoopyCat>Talman: isotope is specified by the number of neutrons, e.g. hydrogen-3, carbon-14, uranium-238... if i recall correctly, it's written with a superscript before the symbol. also, if i recall correctly, it doesn't matter as far as bonding into molecules goes
01:33<@jed>H3 is tritium
01:33<@jed>and it'd be 3H, Hoopy is right
01:33<HoopyCat>Talman: and so did i; i just keep up on this stuff because i deal with radioactive materials on a daily basis
01:34<@jed>3H is used in nuclear weapons, IIRC
01:34<Talman>Ah, I see.
01:34<Talman>Its also what keeps my night sights glowing.
01:34<HoopyCat>jed: or hydrogen-3... ambiguity sucks :-)
01:34<@jed>ya
01:34<Talman>And yeah, I think Tritium is a trigger for hydrogen bombs.
01:35<HoopyCat>tritium ain't nothin' but hydrogen with extra junk in the trunk
01:35<Talman>See, my nuclear materials training was basially OSHA.
01:35<@jed>Talman: my completely uneducated understanding of atomic physics is that each element has a finite number of stable states, and the naturally occurring isotope is what shows up on the periodic table
01:35<@jed>if you add things to atoms, they're unstable -- tritium decays fast, I think
01:35<Talman>"This is radioactive material. See the sticker? If it spills, inform NRC through CHEMTREC immediately, and seal off .5 miles through the IMS)
01:36<HoopyCat>if oxygen comes home and there's two hydrogens in its bed, boy golly, it's gonna do both of 'em at once no matter how many neutrons they have
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01:36<Talman>I don't have my little yellow book of WHAT DO WE DO?! anymore, though.
01:37<HoopyCat>it'll regret it in the morning. might well be hung over, but it sure won't be dehydrated
01:37<Talman>How come OSHA doesn't do this shit? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwCyVku1HvI
01:37<megatron27>is that guy named after the awesome text editor
01:37<Talman>Canadian equivelant of OSHA has more worker safety laws AND scares the shit out of workers on TV.
01:37<megatron27>this - http://www.jedsoft.org/jed/
01:38<HoopyCat>Talman: at least this ain't russia!
01:38<@jed>megatron27: they pay me royalties for my name
01:39<HoopyCat>(note: at present, the united states can pretty much only say "at least this ain't russia!" when it comes to international comparisons)
01:39<@mikegrb>roflz
01:39<megatron27>HoopyCat, rofl
01:40<Talman>Pretty much.
01:40<Talman>I love the retail store one about ladders.
01:40<megatron27>well, I'd comment on that.....but....
01:40<Talman>When I worked at Walmart, they wanted me to stand on the NO STEP portion.
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01:40<purrdeta>wait... are you telling me we arent in russia?
01:40<HoopyCat>(also, to clarify an earlier statement before undue concern occurs: by "deal with radioactive materials" i mean "use containers of radioactive material as paperweights")
01:41<Talman>I was like, "You have ot realize. When I fall, and I will becuse I don't have good balance, I won't die. I will injure myself severely, and then from my hopsital bed, I will own this Wal-Mart and bankrupt you personally."
01:41<megatron27>Doesn't setup.py seem very primitive to you.
01:41<Talman>My manager got me a taller ladder.
01:41<megatron27>he couldn't fire you?
01:44<HoopyCat>megatron27: getting a taller ladder was probably easier.
01:45<megatron27>but going through the procurement department can be hell too :-)
01:45<amitz>he could fire on you...
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01:48<HoopyCat>in an obviously unscientific survey of two people, falling off of a ladder because a broken drill jammed up is 100% more likely to result in a layoff than requesting non-broken equipment
01:50<linbot>New news from forums: Lower plan or pay-per-resource? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5697>
01:50<megatron27>HoopyCat, do you use something like Dropbox or Jungledisk
01:51<HoopyCat>megatron27: i use dropbox
01:56<Talman>FOr what?
01:56<Talman>If he had tried, I would of reported him to corporate AND OSHA for violating safety procedures.
01:57<@mikegrb>lolz
01:57<Talman>Pay per resource, lol.
01:57<Talman>Why does everyone want a 5-10 dollar plan?
01:59<Talman>hahaha. A while back I worked in a Wal-Mart with a manager who HATED spending money to fix stuff, because "It comes right out of our bonus, guys!" <- THIS.
02:00<Talman>I worked in Electronics. Any time I claimed an item out, the old ladies from lingere would say this. "THAT COMES OUT OF OUR BONUS. CAN'T YOU SELL THAT?"
02:00<Talman>It dropped from 25 feet onto hard concrete. Would YOU like to purchase it? Its a 19 inch TV.
02:01<metap|pe_>or maybe now an 18" tv
02:03<HoopyCat>diagonal? why yes it is
02:03<Talman>I opened one after we heard a muffled BOOM.
02:04<Talman>Tube went off.
02:04<Talman>Manager thought it would be awesome to THROW THEM down to another employee, btw, instead of sending them down the ladder.
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02:05<megatron27>not an American here, so I'm wondering why ladders are such a fundamental part of Walmart life
02:06<megatron27>"infinitely scalable" - new buzzword for the day
02:06<HoopyCat>stuff is typically stacked on shelves
02:08<Talman>All items that are reserve, not fitting on the display shelf are on the top shelf.
02:08<Talman>When stuff runs out on the actual display shelf, you get more from the highest shelf. Its about 7 feet up.
02:09<megatron27>is working for walmart a right of passage for all young Americans
02:09<Talman>In my case, I was required to hang signs on our 12 foot ceiling
02:09<Talman>No.
02:09<HedgeMage>Not for me.
02:09<Defenestrator>I rather like the lack of <$20 plans in a way. The really cheap plans seem to attract abuse/spammers
02:09<HedgeMage>But, I'm allergic to the place :)
02:09<Talman>I wasn't young, I just wanted a job where I wasn't shot at.
02:09<HedgeMage>Talman: I shoot back when I'm shot at.
02:10<HedgeMage>Well, unless it's more practical to get inside the person's range and disarm him/her.
02:10<Talman>Defenestrator, indeed, a "pay for resources" made me think of script kiddies.
02:10<Talman>This was work. :) I was unarmed, hadn't been approved by the company for a gun license yet, and someone shot at a bunch of us.
02:10<Talman>I said screw it, and quit.
02:10<megatron27>well Linode is getting cheaper and cheaper if you're using the right currency :-)
02:10<Talman>Once the idiot operations manager was fired, I went back and got my gun permit from the company.
02:11<Talman>Companies in Florida have to approve the gun permit.
02:11<Talman>And you have to use a special gun permit while working, the citizen carry permit isn't valid while working. Because the gun permit for security has no restrictions.
02:11<megatron27>wtf, you can bring a gun into walmart
02:11<megatron27>what sort of place is this
02:11<Talman>I could bring a gun anywhere, megatron, including a police station, by virtue of my permit.
02:11*megatron27 makes it a point to visit walmart at least once in his life
02:11<HedgeMage>Talman: Here (in Indiana) it is my understanding that if that happens, you get to sue your employer for forcing you to be unarmed then providing no/inadequate security.
02:12<metap|pe_>you can buy guns at wallmart
02:12<Talman>HedgeMage, Indiana is unregulated. They're supposed to get state licensing in 2011.
02:12<megatron27>it's sad whenever Google buys a startup like Etherpad and shuts it down
02:12<Talman>But all they have to do is say that "the guard post had no expectation of armed threat."
02:12<HedgeMage>Talman: Not true. We don't require license to purchase, but we do need it to carry.
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02:12<Talman>Citizens do.
02:13<Talman>Guards only need a citizen permit.
02:13<Talman>In 2011, they're require the same training and police and have umlimited carry powers.
02:13<megatron27>oh, you were a guard at walmart?
02:13<Talman>Um, no
02:13<Talman>I left one company, worked for Wal-mart, went back to that company.
02:13<HedgeMage>Lifetime permit ++
02:13<Talman>Security in Florida has the power to carry a firearm anywhere in the state.
02:14<Talman>As long as they're performing their duties. I've carried in police stations, schools, etc.
02:14<Talman>But its always while in uniform and always openly.
02:14*megatron27 removes Florida from list of US states to visit
02:15<Talman>A lot of them are like that, megatron. :)
02:15*megatron27 adds urmom
02:15<Talman>You're being paid to do a job, the state recongizes the importance of the job, so they make laws to ensure that you can do your job without hassle.
02:16<megatron27>heh, there are people taking the etherpad code and launching their own services
02:16<Talman>I've had jobs where we escorted people to do pick up money, and mall security is like, "This place bans guns." Then I'd have to explain to them that because they work FOR The mall, they're not licensed under 493, but I am, an that licensing has privleages that normal citizen's don't, like abliity to carry anywhere in the state.
02:17<Talman>Usually the off-duty cop would come up cause "OMG there's a guard with a gun!" and tell them its ok, its legal, etc. Malls seem to do that a lot, hire unarmed guards with little training and then 1-2 cops to do all the heavy lifting.
02:18<Talman>Mall guard makes minimum wage, cop makes about 45-75 an hour, and the guards just call the cop if there's any problem.
02:18<megatron27>yeah guards :-)
02:20<Talman>I have no problem with people haing concealed weapons (firearms) because I know what they had to do to get them.
02:20<HedgeMage>megatron27: Yes, if something is open source to begin with, it's impossible to buy it and kill it. If someone cares about it, there will be a fork.
02:21<Talman>paperowkr, background investigation, training class that cost 200-300 dollars, buying a firearm that costs hundreds to thousands of dillars, then having to obey a bunch of rules on where and how you can carry.
02:21<megatron27>well yeah
02:21<Talman>I think I spent over a thousand dollars on my firearm permit (civilian and security), and had to go through 2 background investigations, etc.
02:22<Talman>The security course was "in excess" of the civilian course, so I just turned in my gun licnese to prove I took "a suitable training course."
02:22<Talman>Hey, HedgeMage.
02:22<Talman>Guess what, until like 2005, security personnel in Florida were stricted to carrying?
02:22<megatron27>why do you like guns so much
02:23<Talman>Less that I like guns and more that I bad one on for about 12-14 hours a day for 15 years, megatron27.
02:23<Talman>Just another tool on my belt.
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02:32<Talman>Besides, you'd probably be morally outraged and horrified at the questions that the company asked you before placing you on armed assignment.
02:32<megatron27>test me
02:33<Talman>Are you willing to end human life?
02:34<Talman>Are you willing to kill another person?
02:34<Talman>Are you able to kill?
02:34<megatron27>so they expect you to answer yes to those questions
02:34<Talman>Intersped throughout a standard personality test.
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02:34<Talman>Yes.
02:34<Talman>Because otherwise, why do you have a gun?
02:35<megatron27>but I thought using it was supposed to be the last resort
02:35<Talman>The most effective means that humans have to stop a lethal force situtation is to rapidly lower the blood flow to the human brain through massive cardiovascular trauma.
02:35<Talman>You answer lethal force with lethal force.
02:35<nstyr>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDABjGGeZzM
02:35<Talman>If you're not willing to kill, then how can you answer lethal force with lethal force?
02:36<Talman>These are not the cutest kittens on the internet, but nice try.
02:39<megatron27>SFW?
02:39<megatron27>I love the design of youtube
02:39<Talman>Kittens.
02:39<Talman>They're bouncing.
02:40<Talman>Anyway, megatron27, what country are you in?
02:40<megatron27>Malaysia
02:42<metap|pe_>well, this is odd to run across: http://narf-archive.com/#77b61b343bbc4c841cfe71cdafb458ebc3b414af.gif
02:43<Talman>>.> I think your guards carry AKs.
02:43<Talman>I can't remember.
02:44<megatron27>I only see armed guards at Banks and Jewelery stores
02:44<Talman>Sup, Tritium.
02:44<Talman>"Famous last words."
02:44<megatron27>never at a departmental store
02:44<Talman>WHereas, I've seen off duty cops doing guard work at department stores.
02:45<Talman>The idea is that since they're the gvoernment, the store has no liablity if they do anything to people (i.e. arrest them.)
02:45<Talman>This is wrong, of course.
02:45<Talman>But, no, at the mall, we were escorting people who serviced ATMs, or picked cash up from stores.
02:45<Talman>We weren't guarding anything but that person.
02:46<megatron27>oh yeah
02:46<megatron27>I always armed guards doing that here too
02:46<megatron27>see**^
02:47<Talman>Most department stores here use plainclothes people to detect and arrest shoplifters.
02:47<megatron27>this might seem like an offensive question, but do some people get into this line of work because they like guns
02:47<Talman>They don't carry weapons, and sometimes they're not allowed to fight.
02:47<Talman>Some do, yes.
02:48<Talman>They quickly learn that most of the time, they have to work periods without a gun before the company will invest money in getting them the license.
02:48<Talman>Because they may just quit the company after they get a gun license and work somewhere for more money. Company's out money.
02:49<Talman>Keep in mind, a lot of security in america is a joke. Canada too.
02:49<Talman>Its a feel good illusion to make insurance companies happy. They're not trained to do anything useful, and they're told if they do anything at all, they'll be fired.
02:49<megatron27>do those armored vehicles actually help
02:49<Talman>Different industry, but yeah. They're heavily armored.
02:49<Talman>I knew a guy who came from armored work.
02:50<Talman>As long as you're IN the truck, you're safe from just about everything but AP ammo and RPGs.
02:50<megatron27>oh yeah, dude, I remember hearing this story about a guy who put a metal detector in his lobby just get lower insurance premiums
02:50<Talman>Besides, you can just run em down.
02:50<Talman>That sounds typical. :)
02:50<megatron27>but the guard would just ignore it whenever it beeps :-)
02:50<Talman>Of course.
02:50<Talman>What's he going to do?
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02:51<Talman>Like, at the county law enforcement center, where the sheriff is, there are two armed guards with metal detectors.
02:51<Talman>Their job is to scan people.
02:51<Talman>If someone has a gun, their job is to prevent him from getting pat them long enough to radio for help.
02:51<Talman>They may shoot the threat, they may not, but more cops with guns will come to help them.
02:51<Talman>Perfect example of a funnel'ed checkpoint.
02:52<Talman>You have to shoot at them through the metal detector arches, cause the entire area is bullet-resistant glass.
02:52<Talman>That's a good example of using private security for a job that you don't need a police man to do.
02:53<Talman>You don't need police powers to tell someone to stop, or to shoot back at someone with a gun, so why waste money?
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03:00<amitz>lunch time!
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03:08<amitz>in a somewhat related note, I heard israel's security is very good. Lots of experience probably.
03:08<amitz>s/very good/one of the best/
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03:12<Talman>I wouldn't be surprised.
03:12<Talman>Everyone serves in the military there, so just hire people right out of military service.
03:13<Talman>They have a continual and active threat, so they just need to be taught soft skills and they're good to go.
03:14<megatron27>yeah, compulsory military service is a good idea
03:14<megatron27>criminals would be more afraid if everyone knew how to operate a gun
03:16<nate>knowing how to use a gun in the US isn't exactly an unusual event o.O
03:17<@mikegrb>lolz
03:17<Hoggs>lol US gun laws
03:17<megatron27>I suddenly reminded of that episode of Speed Racer
03:17<nate>Hoggs: Tis true though
03:17<amitz>just pull the trigger right? now I just need to know which part is the front.. :-p
03:17<nate>Specifically due to them
03:17<megatron27>well, it's not so much how to use a gun but more about not being afraid to use it
03:17<nate>I prefer PA's gun laws more so though, even getting a CCW in the state of PA is amazingly easy
03:18<megatron27>like me, if you gave me a gun, I'd give it back to you :-)
03:18<nate>you don't even have mandatory training classes for a CCW in PA
03:18<Hoggs>I like swedan's gun laws
03:18<Hoggs>every houshold must have one
03:18<megatron27>really?
03:18<megatron27>you must have a gun :-?
03:18<nate>And that's different from the US how? :P
03:18<Hoggs>Because every man ober 18 must go through the military at some stage
03:18<Hoggs>over*
03:18<Hoggs>or something like that
03:19<megatron27>oh yeah, because they have a constant enemy in the east
03:19<Hoggs>I suppose if there's one gun per household, and ever man has military training.. that's one hell of a defence
03:20<Talman>Sweden has compulsory military service.
03:20<Talman>That's the idea, yes. Same as the Swiss.
03:20<Talman>Is why some countries have their entire male population from 18-4X counted as a militia.
03:21<nate>Hoggs: All I gotta say is; http://www.cracked.com/article_17019_5-real-life-soldiers-who-make-rambo-look-like-pussy_p1.html
03:21<nate>Simo Hayha
03:21<@mikegrb>lolz
03:21<nate>lol
03:21<nate>aka White Death
03:21<Hoggs>lawl
03:21<nate>Really, read it though
03:22<nate>Dude wasn't even an active soldier at the time, took his weapons, went to the woods, credited with 700 some kills
03:22<@mikegrb>lolz
03:22<nate>lol
03:22<Hoggs>wow..
03:22<Hoggs>will read it when I get back with food
03:22<Hoggs>:)
03:22<nate>I'm willing to bet a russian still doesn't walk through those woods to this day
03:22<nate>:P
03:24<Hoggs>"And not one of those sissy ceremonial things the Marines have. No, Jack carried a fucking claymore. And he used it, too."
03:24<Hoggs>hah
03:24<megatron27>I love how the Installation Instructions for Linux often default to Debian based distros.
03:24<megatron27>as if that's the only distributions :D
03:25<Defenestrator>Heh, it used to be that everything assumed it was RH-based
03:25<nate>Hoggs: I like the "Best hollywood could do" comparisons too
03:26<megatron27>well there's nothing stopping you from using apt-get on non-Debian distro
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04:10<Talman>Wlecome to the how-to for ___________.
04:10<Talman>If you're using Red Hat, good!
04:10<Talman>If you're not, we suggest installing alien so you can use rpm.
04:10<Hoggs>what if I don't like red hat :|
04:11*HedgeMage chuckles
04:11*encode prefers black hat
04:12*HedgeMage looks funny in hats
04:12*Hoggs just uses shades
04:13<encode>HedgeMage: you just look funny. Regardless of what you are or are not wearing
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04:15<HedgeMage>encode: ahh, thanks, that makes me feel much better :)
04:18<Talman>If you don't like Red Hat, then don't use a Linux tutorial from 93-04! :)
04:18<Talman>Also, I found it funny, I used Red Hat in 95 because RH3 was the only distro that worked on my aging P75.
04:24<xinming>hmm, In linode, Is there a length limit for normal user? Eg, When we create a normal user in godaddy vps, It doesn't allow you to use short login names.
04:25<xinming>I mean through the web interface to create a user account.
04:25<HedgeMage>Talman: I don't know where you were in '93-'94, but I was using (and found many/most howto's assumed one might use) Slackware.
04:25<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
04:25<Talman>I did the slackware thing, too.
04:26<Talman>Some company had a 5 CD set of most major distros.
04:26<Talman>I wanted to run my own PennMUSH,so I bought it.
04:26<Talman>Ran it on a dual boot system, etc. I forget why, but I switched from SLack to RH< I think I was trying them all.
04:27<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
04:27<encode>mikegrb: no. No-one still uses slackware. They just taunt you by pretending to
04:28<@mikegrb>lolz
04:28<HedgeMage>lol
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04:42<fffej>I'm a bit new to this Linode lark. I have a domain registered and I've successfully set the CNAME to point across and web access is all a-ok. What's the recommended way of setting up an email address? I was trying to use Google apps, but that requires changes to the MX records and once I've set the CNAME I'm no longer able to do that from my domain name provider.
04:45<HedgeMage>fffej: Generally one runs a mailserver such as postfix+dovecot or something to get email working. Might I ask why you did a CNAME instead of an A record, or using Linode DNS?
04:49<fffej>hedgemage: probably because I don't know what I'm doing :) I'm trying to set up Linode DNS now and following the instructions here about emails (http://library.linode.com/email/google-mail/). If I use Linode DNS does that mean I don't need to change CNAME?
04:50<Clorith>HedgeMage: why did they have to stop the series? =( I want to know more about shepheard!
04:56<takamichi>hey guys, I need to document all my server config for about 20 servers i.e. ip's, user accounts, databases, database accounts, server datacenter etc. etc... I could create an excel spreadsheet, but thought perhaps there was already something out there that could help? Any ideas?
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04:58<megatron27>strong coffee
04:58<HedgeMage>Clorith: They originally aired all the episodes out of order, and didn't advertise the show -- so scifi people never found it (who'd have expected scifi on FOX?) and no one who did find it understood WTF was going on without the backstory.
04:58<HedgeMage>Clorith: until it came out on DVD it didn't become popular
04:58<megatron27>which show is this
04:58<HedgeMage>megatron27: Firefly
04:58<megatron27>okay
04:58<megatron27>very popular show
04:59<HedgeMage>fffej: if you use Linode DNS, you just need to tell your domain name registrar to use ns1.linode.com, ns2.linode.com, etc, then use the linode DNS configurator per the instructions :)
04:59<HedgeMage>fffej: it's very reasy
04:59<HedgeMage>-r
04:59<HedgeMage>megatron27: After it was off the air it became popular
05:00<Clorith>reasy for rart reople :3
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05:00<Clorith>well, I hear there's a comic coming out in November this year
05:00<fffej>hedgemage: thanks - I'll give that a go!
05:00<@mikegrb>lolz
05:00<HedgeMage>lol Clorith/Scooby
05:00<Clorith>The Shepheard's Tale
05:00<HedgeMage>fffej: good luck!
05:00<megatron27>do you guys remember this show called Profit from the 90s
05:00<HedgeMage>nope
05:00<Clorith>fffej: there's a library article on it as well
05:00<megatron27>it stars that guy from Heroes
05:00<HedgeMage>what's Heroes?
05:00*HedgeMage doesn't watch much TV
05:00<Clorith>"that guy", there's lots of guys =P
05:01<megatron27>the politician
05:01<megatron27>who can fly
05:01<Clorith>o
05:01<Clorith>he's a boring character
05:01<HedgeMage>Though how about this: next time Aaron Sorkin writes something, don't advertise the show, just advertise "written by Aaron Sorkin" so I know to watch it.
05:02<megatron27>well the Profit is similar, it gained a cult following after it was canceled
05:02<HedgeMage>I'd never watch a normal show about sports writers, or late night sketch comedy, or a bunch of other crap, but if Sorkin wrote it, I'd watch a three-act play about ladybugs.
05:03<HedgeMage>TWW took off because a show about the executive branch might, possibly, maybe have decent, serious writing (the first time I watched it I did not expect modern-day shakespeare).
05:03<megatron27>who is Sorkin
05:03<HedgeMage>:o
05:03<HedgeMage>megatron27: He wrote The American President (movie) The West Wing (TV) Studio 60 (TV) among others.
05:03<megatron27>I've only seen The West Wing
05:03<HedgeMage>megatron27: He's our lifetime's Shakespeare.
05:03<megatron27>and I didn't enjoy it
05:04<HedgeMage>WHY????
05:04<megatron27>because it's difficult to relate to
05:04<megatron27>it's easier to relate to shows like V where there are space ships over ever major city
05:04<Clorith>haha
05:04<Clorith>I haven't watched V, is it any good?
05:05<megatron27>it's awesome
05:05<HedgeMage>He even makes the republican lawyer talk in meter (iambic pentameter, iirc) to set her apart as not belonging, like Shakespeare did nobles in his plays to set their speech apart from commoners.
05:05<Clorith>My first thought when I saw the title was "wtf, they filmatized the movie?"
05:05<Clorith>err *serialized even
05:05*HedgeMage sighs
05:05<HedgeMage>You have no taste :P
05:05<megatron27>but the writers for V are pretty bad
05:05<Clorith>then I actually saw the commercial and was like "wtf is going on O_o"
05:05<Clorith>megatron27: V is a remake though
05:05<Clorith>of the original V
05:05<megatron27>yeah, I know
05:05<megatron27>I haven't seen the original
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05:06<megatron27>the aliens in V are quite hot
05:06<Clorith>well, I'm halfway through a Dr. W episode
05:06<megatron27>that's always good
05:06<Clorith>so if you'll excuse me
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05:09<amitz>i excuse you.
05:09<Clorith>Excellent
05:09<megatron27>a well designed Python API for a Java library gets me so excited
05:10<Clorith>hot and bothered?
05:10<amitz>west wing is good. too bad i'm unsure the people are that nice.
05:11<Hoggs>If I have `Latest 2.6 Paravirt` kernel selected, and a new kernel is released, does that automatically update?
05:12<Hoggs>Nevermind, answered that myself. My linode up for 90 days is running a different kernel than what the config says :P
05:13<megatron27>sometimes the process of asking your questions leads you the answers
05:13<megatron27>happens all the time to me
05:13<megatron27>to the answers****
05:18<Talman>What series is HedgeMage talking about?
05:18<Talman>The scifi on fox thing. Firefly?
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05:19<megatron27>yeah
05:20<megatron27>he loves Firefly
05:20<megatron27>he's waiting for a Firefly and West Wing cross over episode
05:20<Clorith>*she
05:20<megatron27>oops sorry, I forgot :-)
05:20<megatron27>apologies
05:20<Clorith>no worries, I just realised yesterdat
05:20<Clorith>xD
05:20<megatron27>I've known for a while
05:21<megatron27>had a debate with her about affirmative action a few weeks ago
05:21<megatron27>one sided debate :-)
05:23<Talman>You are all "it."
05:23<Talman>Being electrons entering my eyes in various wavelengths.
05:23<megatron27>I'm just an "it" to you
05:23<megatron27>after all I've put into this relationship
05:23<megatron27>all 7 minutes of it!
05:23<Talman>One of you was too busy screaming about how the gays are trying to kill you for me to even of followed that debate.
05:24<Talman>Nothing personal,electron stream.
05:24<megatron27>which debate
05:24<megatron27>oh, that Australian guy
05:24<megatron27>AU/NZ guy
05:24<megatron27>yeah yeah I remember now
05:24<megatron27>I feel sorry for him
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05:33<blitz>i need some help converting mp4 to divx on a mac os/x any one know where i can find the program to convert it?
05:33<linbot>New news from forums: Issues Running a Garry's Mod dedicated server in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5698>
05:33<Talman>I'd listen to him more if he wasn't a raving bitter lunatic who talks at people.
05:34<megatron27>I think c-a-k-e-r blocked his IP so we won't be seeing any more.
05:34<megatron27>him^
05:35<amitz>no, just isp and nickname block iirc
05:35<blitz> does any one know where i can find a converter for mp4 to Div X???
05:36<amitz>he will be back. he used to reappear ;-) but never banned before.
05:36<amitz>afaik
05:42<Talman>blitz, google knows.
05:43<blitz>yeah but i not find a free one, taiman i tried and tried
05:44<Randomskk>ffmpeg tbh
05:47<Talman>Considering that OS X thinksthat MP4 is the holy grail....
05:47<Talman>Compile yourself a ffmpeg, get the right codecs, and do it that way.
05:48<blitz>ok thanks
05:52<megatron27>Python's with statement is extremely useful
05:52<linbot>New news from forums: IPTables in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3930>
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05:57<Randomskk>megatron27: not if you have to run on 2.4
05:57<linbot>New news from forums: Php GD library in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5694>
05:57<Randomskk>but otherwise yes, yes it is
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06:04<azaghal>Has anyone had some issues with their ejabberd deployments on Debian Lenny recently? For some reason my server can't connect to other servers and vice-versa.
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06:22<amitz>bored. i need a really portable netbook.
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06:24<amitz>i can see now the advantage of vim. programming on a phone will be much easier.
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06:26<megatron27>amitz, what phone do you own
06:26<megatron27>n900?
06:32<Yaakov>He has a Nokia 2320.
06:33*Clorith misses his old 3210
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06:41<megatron27>my 3210 still works :-)
06:45<amitz>oh, e63 nokia
06:46<amitz>i'm lost...
06:49<megatron27>my sister just got a similar phone
06:49<megatron27>an e72
06:49<amitz>i live in this city for decades but i was still lost...
06:50<amitz>that's a better one!
06:52<amitz>that one has gps and someting, i forget.
06:52<amitz>well, back to driving.
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07:03<azaghal>Ok, anyone got an ejabberd server setup under Debian with up-to-date packages sitting outside of London datacenter?
07:03<azaghal>voker57: Yo
07:04<voker57>azaghal: oy
07:04<azaghal>I'm trying to figure out why the server has de-facto stopped working about since Friday.
07:04<azaghal>(it can't make s2s connections, that is)
07:04<azaghal>voker57 seems to have the same issue.
07:09<encode>"de-facto stopped working" ?
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07:11<Yaakov>k/ickban amitz Texting while driving.
07:11<Yaakov>He wants it to stop de jure.
07:12<Yaakov>None of this ad hoc stopping!
07:12<azaghal>encode: As in it works, but I can't see the availability of contacts beyond my own server.
07:12<Yaakov>All this nolens volens behavior of programs is unacceptable to right-thinking sysadmins!
07:13<Yaakov>azaghal: For the record, "effectively" would be much more correct than "de facto" in that case, though still not very helpful.
07:13<azaghal>:)
07:20<azaghal>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539409 - might be something related... Hm...
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07:26<voker57>my servers don't have SRV record at all
07:26<voker57>and I don't have IpV6 records in resolv.conf
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07:27<azaghal>Mine neither, but I think the ejabberd looks up stuff in that way.
07:29<azaghal>Marx...
07:29<azaghal>I think it's DNS :)
07:30<voker57>azaghal: do you have IPv6 set up on your 'node?
07:30<azaghal>Nope
07:30<azaghal>Let me try something...
07:30<voker57>good, at least something is different
07:30<azaghal>voker57: Your /etc/resolv.conf?
07:31<voker57>azaghal: http://paste.org.ru/?b3cz9n
07:31<Robbie>hello, i have some qustion about linode, any body can help me?
07:31<encode>!ask
07:31<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
07:32<azaghal>Aaaaaargh
07:32<azaghal>voker57: nameserver 109.74.192.20 is borked
07:32<azaghal>Remove it, and restart server, it'll all work.
07:32<azaghal>Now...
07:32*azaghal nudges Linode staff
07:32<voker57>better write a support ticker
07:32<azaghal>Yeah
07:33<azaghal>I think that whole server is down.
07:33<azaghal>No responses to DNS queries.
07:33<Robbie>if i upgrade my account in linode, is there a down-period to my website?
07:33<encode>Robbie: yes, while your linode is migrated to another host
07:33<encode>since only the same size plans run on each host
07:34<Robbie>and how long?
07:34<encode>depends on the size of your disk
07:34<Robbie>if 2000 MB
07:34<encode>the disk image gets transferred between the hosts
07:35<voker57>awesome, thanks!
07:35<encode>from I remember, the transfer runs at around 20-30MB/s
07:35<Robbie>is there a time to change the dns record?
07:35<azaghal>voker57: Works now, eh?
07:35<voker57>azaghal: yep
07:36<Robbie>and will my ip changes?
07:37<MarkJ>If it's within the same data center
07:37<MarkJ>it won't
07:38<Robbie>ok, thank you so much.
07:38<MarkJ>Naturally migrating to another data center with it's own range would require a new IP address.
07:40<azaghal>Ticket opened.
07:41<Robbie>Most of the visitors to my site comes from US, UK, AU And China, and the other comes from the other country. Which datacenter is best for me to choose?
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07:45<amitz>hmm good idea, but I thought someone must have written a speech to text app...
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07:58<snubby>leenodah eh
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08:22<tentimes>is it a bad idea for me to allow root login with SSH?
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08:25<trolloca1st>yes
08:25<jake>tentimes: depends really, if you have passwordless sudo for example then not really any different, also do you firewall off ssh to only some source IPs, what added protection are you actually getting from that one extra password on the box, once they have got into a normal user account really how hard is it to get what they want anyway.
08:25<jake>all really depends
08:26<jake>It can't do any harm to disable root login put it that way :)
08:27<tentimes>Im totally new to this. I have a password they arent going to crack by brute force, at present i need root to set everything upi you see. im just reading that it's a bad idea. my ISP gives dynamic IPS so its a bit difficult to restrict the access but i could do it by blocks if i do my research
08:28<jake>tentimes: you could be nice and do port knocking ;)
08:28<jake>even harder then :)
08:30<trolloca1st>i am confused, what does your dynamic IP have to do with root access?
08:30<jake>trolloca1st: firewalling
08:30<trolloca1st>also yes, port knocking is one of the solutions
08:30<jake>if you only access from set of secure locations it helps no need to even open up to rest of world
08:30<trolloca1st>jake: you firewall your local interface and not the ISP's end
08:30<trolloca1st>oh you mean connecting FROM the box
08:30<trolloca1st>use ssh host keys
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08:30<jake>er no I don't mean that
08:31<tentimes>i mean that if i was to restrict SSH access by IP on my linode server I could lock myself out if my ISP over here gives me a new IP
08:32<trolloca1st>tentimes: disable passworded logins, use SSH keys
08:32<trolloca1st>move the ssh port somewhere upwards where casual portscans don't get it
08:32<tentimes>thats what im already using - keys only
08:32<jake>My points are using sudo is a bit silly as requires same password (aiui, never seen different sudo password ro your account password), restricting source ip is a good start, does disabling root login really make you as secure as you thing, I don't think it is a bad thing but if you can only ssh in from your internal network is it major issue.
08:32<trolloca1st>and, yes, port knocking or other knocking may be an option
08:32<jake>er
08:32<tentimes>err no im not
08:33<tentimes>getting confused here - i still have password on, though i do have the the key
08:33<trolloca1st>tentimes: disable it
08:33<tentimes>how do i do that?
08:33<jake>I personally would not move port above 1024, then if a regular account gets compromised you could maybe knock over the sshd and run your own on the compromised account and get all sorts of info.
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08:33<trolloca1st>either lock it with usermod, or use the sshd configuration to prohibit keyboard-interactive auth
08:34<trolloca1st>jake: good point, especially with ssh's privsep
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08:35<trolloca1st>though.. it'd be hard to knock out existing ssh w/o root, and with root it doesn't matter anyway
08:35<jake>trolloca1st: you could ddos it and somehow make it fall over
08:36<jake>dos it does not need to be ddos
08:36<trolloca1st>hm.. possible
08:36<jake>or use some flaw to make it crash
08:36<jake>what happens if they somehow get it to start before real sshd on boot
08:37<jake>not sure if that would be easy but if they did that maybe via incorrect perm on a init.d script or something
08:37<jake>you reboot and bam they have your sshd :)
08:37<trolloca1st>if they can then they already escalated to root
08:37<jake>bad permission etc
08:37<trolloca1st>(tripwire etc would be a natural answer to that)
08:37<jake>could mean they have access to a file they can write to
08:38<jake>anyway it was just a minor point would personally keep stuff like that < port 1024
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08:41<trolloca1st>yeah makes sense but you pay for it with vulnerability to public scanning and bruteforcing
08:41<trolloca1st>ideally of course there'd be a strict acl or knocking
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08:42<jake>I am not a security expert but I have been told that once an account has been compromised it is not hard to take over teh whole box etc.
08:43<trolloca1st>in many linux versions there are kernel side holes allowing privilege escalation, like ptrace exploits etc
08:44<Yaakov>Disallow root login, use keys with a passphrase, and use sudo. That's as secure as is reasonable to bother with.
08:45<Yaakov>But frankly, in decades of doing this, I haven't needed to do those things on other than high profile boxes. It does mean that you cannot allow weak passwords, but then, that's a given anyway.
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08:46<Yaakov>Also, of course, turn off unused services, us IP ACLs as possible, and keep the box patched.
08:46<Yaakov>use, too.
08:46<jake>well that goes without saying :P
08:47<Yaakov>On a few machines I have knockd running. Those machines offer no services to the outside world so I want them to be completely dark.
08:48<Yaakov>I also move sshd off of 22. It does two things: 1) It eleimates 99% of the probes from scripts, and; 2) It keeps the trash from those probes out of my logs. I find that worth the trouble.
08:48<Yaakov>eliminates, perhaps.
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08:51<Clorith>I throw mine over to 443 if I don't run any ssl sites, that way it jsut seems like ssl if someone tries a portscan
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09:05<linbot>New news from forums: Need help Migrate Acquia Drupal LAMP to Mercury Drupal site in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5693>
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09:10<Chris___>What happened to Dallas?
09:10<linbot>New news from forums: artist's website.. software suggestions? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5696>
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09:12<Chris___>About 20 minutes ago my Dallas netsplit for a pingout from the rest of my network
09:12<amitz>...stays in Dallas.
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09:15<Chris___>Seriously, though. Was it just me? If not, this is like, the 4th time dallas has hiccuped in the last month.
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09:20<amitz>Chris___: someone mentioned dallas today.
09:20<ericoc>Chris___: guessing it's not just you. i got an email from pingdom saying i was down
09:21<ericoc>then like 5 minutes later, another saying it was up
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09:23<Chris___>Yeah, it was only down for a few moments
09:23<Chris___>But still, 4th hiccup in a month
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09:53<Friction>anyone know where openssl is on centos?
09:54<Tiven>there's something wrong with my ram usage on my linode :(
09:56<Tiven>when someone starts using something like flyspray or gallery, php-cgi processes start eating all the ram
10:05<TimothyA>(01:09:31 AM) HoopyCat: TimothyA: you could, for what it's worth, tell sudo to allow particular commands to be run by particular users without a password <--- I've been trying to figure that out the whole time: how?
10:06<Yaakov>TimothyA: man sudoers
10:06<TimothyA>'command man does not exist'
10:06<ssteinerX>aptitude install man
10:06<ssteinerX>why the heck it's not included in the default Ubuntu install is a complete mystery (to me)
10:07<TimothyA>man-db is already the newest version.
10:07*TimothyA will just google it
10:09<Yaakov>Just in case: http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/man/sudoers.html
10:09<Yaakov>What is totally annoying is that it is written with EBNF notation. Really silly.
10:09<amitz>what the fuck. My notebook has a shaking line going vertically, about 2/3 of the width of the screen.
10:12<Yaakov>nsults
10:12<Yaakov>If set, sudo will insult users when they enter an incorrect password. This flag is off by default.
10:12<Yaakov>insults, that is.
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10:19<tentimes>What file extension should I append to scripts I am running when
10:19<tentimes>running stack scripts
10:20<jekor>What kind of differences (Xen or otherwise) could keep a program from running correctly on linode? I've installed the same version of cherokee on another Xen VPS and my personal computer, using the same configuration file, and it's acting up only on the Linode VPS.
10:21<jekor>strace is showing that it keeps relaunching the interpreter (which I've tested running manually, not as the http user, and it runs fine). Any ideas or should I check with the cherokee guys?
10:21<jeromy>jekor: i'd bet it's more to do with the OS than the linode
10:22<jekor>They're all Arch Linux. Maybe library differences?
10:22<jeromy>jekor: libraries installed.. supporting software, etc..
10:22<jekor>or kernel?
10:22<Yaakov>jekor: I have never had any problem running any program on my 'node. I think that you need to look for a cause other than being a VPS in this case.
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10:23<ericoc>im not the only person using archlinux?
10:23<jekor>Something that made me think it was a Xen issue: I had to reduce the number of threads to get it running correctly up to this point.
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10:24<jeromy>jekor: okay, if it worked in any capacity, then it's probably not a library issue
10:24<ericoc>jekor: what linode kernel are you using? i had some problem awhile back running something on arch and switched to whatevers current now, the paravirtual one [2.6.32.12-linode25]
10:24<jekor>Linux li173-182 2.6.32.12-linode25 #1 SMP Wed Apr 28 19:25:11 UTC 2010 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5420 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
10:24<jekor>
10:25<ericoc>oh, yeah, i guess that's the newest one
10:25<jekor>I'm going to try more stracing. Thanks, guys.
10:26<tentimes>Could someone tell me or direct me to somewhere that explains how I use stackscripts? Do I have to just cut and paste and upload them or is there a central repository somewhere?
10:26<tentimes>Ive read the article in community area but it deosnt say this
10:26<ericoc>i think you're supposed to use them when you create the linode
10:27<tentimes>ive created the linode yesterday
10:27<ericoc>http://www.linode.com/stackscripts/ says ..."When the deployment is first booted, the script is executed and does its thing."...
10:27<tentimes>err
10:27<tentimes>that cant be right
10:27<tentimes>you mean it executes all these scripts?
10:28<ericoc>whichever one(s) you choose to deploy
10:28<ericoc>at the time of linode creation
10:28<tentimes>i would assume that int installs the OS then you choose which scripts to run
10:28<ericoc>yeah..
10:28<tentimes>well Im at the point where i just made the inode and i want to run a script - but i dont know where it is
10:28<ericoc>when you deploy the distro, it runs the stackscript(s) of your choosing at the same time
10:29<ericoc>i think
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10:29<jeromy>tentimes: its' for people with multiple linodes... so you can quickly deploy identical linodes
10:29<tentimes>i got no option to run a stackscript on install
10:29<tentimes>and i cant find anything in the control panel to run one
10:30<ericoc>https://www.linode.com/members/linode/deploy/stackscripts/
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10:31<tentimes>thanks eric that is exactly what i needed - i couldnt find that
10:31<ericoc>yeah, its from Dashboard > Deploy a Linux Distrubution > Deploying using StackScripts
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10:32<tentimes>ah yea
10:33<tentimes>So does that mean an OS reinstall then?
10:33<ericoc>yeah, they're meant to be installed at the time of OS delployment
10:33<ericoc>but if you look at the script itself, you can probably do it manually, afterwards
10:34<ericoc>if you really really don't want to redeploy
10:34<tentimes>its no problem to redeploy. i wanted to get security and LAMP up and running
10:35<ericoc>ah yeah, if you can, i'd just suggest redeploying
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10:36*TimothyA checks his checklist
10:36<TimothyA>PID, UID, check
10:37<TimothyA>measuring bandwidth consumption...
10:37*TimothyA looks around
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10:40<DavidWhite>Does anyone use ispCP, or have a recommendation for a good cPanel open source alternative? I started installing ispCP this morning, but got to a point where it asks me to turn off SELinux. Until I have proof that I can use another firewall (like CSF) with ispCP, I refuse to use it.
10:40*DavidWhite sighs
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11:06<Tiven>guys, do i need to tune php to use less ram or is it something on lighttpd's side?
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11:10<TimothyA>both
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11:17<Tiven>im reading in the forums and i think that 10 workers for php is a high number, is that correct?
11:17<Tiven>i mean, for small sites anyway
11:17<Tiven>mine is using 10 :S
11:21<HoopyCat>Tiven: pastebin: ps auxwww, free -m, vmstat 1 20 (the last one will take 20 seconds)
11:22<Tiven>should i start using gallery a bit so it eats the ram ?
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11:23<Tiven>or u want them like it is now that i restart lighttpd and its light?
11:23<HoopyCat>Tiven: oh, do that in the steady state (e.g. when you're seeing the problem you're having)
11:24<Tiven>okay
11:24<HoopyCat>Tiven: also, how many hits/second does your php stuff get?
11:25<Tiven>well, really low number
11:25<Tiven>like hmmm
11:26<Tiven>it was 2-3 users at max including me
11:26<Tiven>just viewing photos on gallery3
11:26<amitz>make it 3 then!
11:26<HoopyCat>Tiven: so... less than one per second? yeah, try 3.
11:26<Tiven>and one of them was uploading a photo :P
11:26<HoopyCat>or 2.
11:26<Tiven>well they are afk now :P
11:26<Tiven>http://tiven.org/photos
11:27<Tiven>there guys, just visit it, and click 2-3 stuff
11:27<Tiven>it should do the trick :D
11:27<Tiven>hmmm
11:27<HoopyCat>Tiven: seems nice and snappy to me. what's the problem you're having?
11:28<amitz>your game... -_-. you're the bgh people :-p
11:28<Tiven>woot :P
11:28<Tiven>HoopyCat i dunno, it randomly will start eating ram like mad
11:28<Tiven>it seems to be ok now
11:29<Tiven>158/343MB
11:29<amitz>but i must admit it's an entertaining concept
11:29<HoopyCat>Tiven: when it starts eating ram like mad, gather the above data and that'll give some nice stuff with which to ponder
11:29<HoopyCat>Tiven: where'd the 158 number come from?
11:29<Tiven>oh thats ram
11:29<Tiven>with htop
11:29<HoopyCat>Tiven: where'd the 158 number come from?
11:29<HoopyCat>Tiven: try free -m
11:30<HoopyCat>Tiven: the second row of data (+/- buffers) is the one to look at
11:30<Tiven>http://pastebin.com/kyyCCdLM
11:31<HoopyCat>hmm, just figured out a possible reason why i stopped playing games when they started getting all fancy-graphicy and stuff
11:31<HoopyCat>there is way too much important information contained in colors
11:32<@mikegrb>lolz
11:32<Tiven>lol
11:32<HoopyCat>Tiven: nice and healthy, i'd say
11:32<Tiven>games in the past were much much better
11:32<Tiven>contents.... coded much better...... good gameplay, etc
11:33<Tiven>now they release them in beta phase and they try to fix the bugs with patches and whatnot
11:33<Tiven>no content, they just care for graphics cause most people think its all about the graphics :/
11:35<amitz>some people refused to be frustrated by game. dying everytime is painful.
11:36<tentimes>F! Canadian GP starting shortly btw...
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11:37<HoopyCat>i just can't see the damned things because they're dark and use colors that are too similar to each other
11:37<Tiven>damn.. it still seems to be running alright
11:38<Tiven>but yeah.. 10 workers
11:38<tentimes>what if you could have a peak access of 200 users to your php app (all just making a connection, passing a couple of packets info then logging off) - how many workers would you need for that?
11:39<HoopyCat>tentimes: it's all a matter of simultaneous connections. users mean nothing.
11:40<tentimes>so if i wanted to limit simultaneous connections to 10 just set 10?
11:40<tentimes>then other users would be kept waiting?
11:40<HoopyCat>tentimes: connections per unit time * unit time per connection
11:41<HoopyCat>err, time per connection, not necessarily unit time :-)
11:41<tentimes>im experimenting with the server here first but once it goes live it will obviously be on a much bigger node
11:41<HoopyCat>tentimes: s/other users/additional connections/
11:42<HoopyCat>"users" implies bags of meat staring at rectangles; MaxClients deals with the software running on the rectangles
11:43<HoopyCat>if it takes 100ms to handle a request, a limit of 10 simultaneous connections would let you serve about 100 connections/second; if it takes 200ms to handle a request, that's down to 50 connections/second
11:44<HoopyCat>(this is why cache is king)
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11:48<Tiven>hmm
11:48<Tiven>i just remembered that this started happening after i installed flyspray..
11:49<Tiven>but noone used flyspray yet on my server
11:49<Tiven>but its completely random as you can see
11:49<Tiven>i remember installing it and setting up options and stuff in flyspray
11:49<Tiven>and suddenly ram usage off the roof again
11:50<HoopyCat>my highest 5-minute average over the last week was 5.75 hits/second (99% of which is dynamic, hooray wiki), so i need to be able to handle ~12 hits/second. i'm running with 3 handlers, so i darned well better be able to poop out stuff in under 250ms. :-)
11:50<Tiven>wow
11:50<Tiven>just 3 and its that good huh?
11:50<Tiven>10 is overkill then
11:52<tanto>hey anyone know that website where people share linux scripts / 1 liners?
11:53<HoopyCat>Tiven: in fairness, it's not in PHP, so there's a few tricks that can be (and are) pulled to make life worth living (mmm threading). but yeah, 10 is probably overkill.
11:53<@irgeek>tanto: Your question covers about 20% of the Internet. ;)
11:53<HoopyCat>Tiven: also note that you can have different sets of handlers for different applications... on my other linode, the gallery2 instance has its own php stuff running as one user, the web blag has its own running as a different user, etc
11:53<HoopyCat>tanto: http://google.com/
11:54<tanto>i thought it was a pretty popular one
11:54<tanto>it has the ugliest design ever, it has a black bg and like neon green text
11:54<tanto>i asked google, the site wasn't on the first 2 pages =(
11:54<HoopyCat>tanto: yeah, that's google; they turned off the default background after everyone was up in arms.
11:54<@irgeek>!google snippets
11:54<@irgeek>!google snippets
11:54<HoopyCat>tanto: naw, i just search for what i'm after. there's literally fifteen billion sites out there
11:54<@irgeek>The Google is down!
11:55<linbot>irgeek: urmom is down
11:55<HoopyCat>irgeek: if i come up with something good, i post it on my own site ;-)
11:56<tentimes>Does anyone run a bittorrent client on their server?
11:56<tanto>i'm looking for a 1 liner for finding directories greater than X size
11:56<Tiven>HoopyCat im using lighttpd and php fast-cgi, how can i lower the number of the workers?
11:56<tanto>find * -size +1G is only doing files
11:56<HoopyCat>Tiven: change the -C option on spawn-fcgi
11:57<HoopyCat>exec /usr/bin/spawn-fcgi -n -f /usr/bin/php-cgi -a 127.0.0.1 -p 4002 -C 4 -u blogs -g blogs
11:57<@irgeek>I doubt you have any 1GB symlinks...
11:57<Tiven>is there a config file i have to edit for that HoopyCat ? :S
11:57<HoopyCat>tanto: define "size"... the size for a directory is, strictly speaking, a function of the maximum number of files ever residing within that directory
11:57<tanto>du -h --max-depth=1
11:58<tanto>23G .
11:58<HoopyCat>Tiven: .... how is it working in the first place?
11:58<Tiven>i guess its not in etc/php5, right ? :)
11:58<noclue>In phpMyAdmin I found there are 3 users. Root, phpmyadmin, and debian-sys-maint. I created a new user with 2018ALL PRIVILEGES.2019 Should I delete the root user?
11:59<HoopyCat>tanto: so you probably want to traverse the tree, run du --max-depth=1 at each level, and output paths where that number > a billion bytes... hmm.
12:00<HoopyCat>Tiven: something has to start php. lighttpd might do it for you, but the current state-of-the-art is for it to be done before lighttpd starts. how'd you set it up in the first place?
12:00<Tiven>fast cgi mod for lighttpd :D
12:00<HoopyCat>noclue: the thought of doing so never crossed my mind. my gut says it's a bad idea.
12:01<HoopyCat>Tiven: pastebin the .conf snippet?
12:01<Tiven>sure, lemme find the conf of it first :D
12:02<Tiven>hmm
12:02<noclue>HoopyCat: yeah mine too. Was just thinking that with phpMyAdmin it would give people a default user name to try.
12:02<Tiven>HoopyCat http://pastebin.com/D8vpKYQ6
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12:03<Tiven>workers are children.. right? why is it 4 but it uses 10 workers :S
12:05<HoopyCat>tanto: find -type d -exec du --max-depth=1 \{\} \; | awk '{if($1 > 1000000) print $2 ": " $1 " kB"}'
12:05<HoopyCat>tanto: i'd like to note, for the record, that i nailed the awk on the first try
12:06<tanto>will that do sub directories too?
12:07<HoopyCat>Tiven: max-procs is 2... that results in 2 backends, each of which will have 4 children, for a total of ten. set max-procs to 1
12:07<Tiven>ah ok
12:07<HoopyCat>tanto: yessirreebob
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12:08<sjnims>help! after installing arno-iptables-firewall (ubuntu 10.04) and attempting to restart the service i get: sbin/modprobe ip_tables: Module not found! Assuming compiled-in-kernel!
12:08<HoopyCat>tanto: the find runs du for each directory it finds, then the output goes to awk which prints a result if the first column is larger than 1000000 kilobytes. i may or may not be off by an order of magnitude; i was just trying various values to make sure it'd work
12:09<tanto>awesome thanks i was scripting out something nutty, but i knew i had come across this type of 1 liner before
12:09<HoopyCat>sjnims: it is assuming correctly!
12:09<Tiven>thanks HoopyCat
12:09<sjnims>invoke-rc.d: initscript arno-iptables-firewall, action "restart" failed.
12:09<Tiven>i guess i must wait until it starts eating ram again
12:10<Tiven>:/
12:10<HoopyCat>tanto: yeah... i was thinking down that path too, but then i figured the find -exec du part was obvious, so i just needed something to do the conditional
12:11<HoopyCat>sjnims: that word it used there -- "assuming" -- has a particularly nuanced definition that i believe they might have misunderstood
12:12<HoopyCat>sjnims: in a pinch, you can probably replace /sbin/modprobe with a symlink to /bin/true or a shell script that exits with 0... i think there's a better fix, but i can't recall where i saw it (the forums?)
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12:13<sjnims>how do i know if it's running?
12:13<sjnims>theres the obvious, look at running processes
12:14<sjnims>but, how do i check to see if its following whatever rules i set in place?
12:14<HoopyCat>sjnims: iptables -L
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12:16<sjnims>that only lists them
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12:16<jeromy>sjnims: it lists the currently running set
12:16<jeromy>if it's there, it's using them
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12:20<sjnims>whats the command to use to see all open ports?
12:20<@irgeek>netstat -alnp
12:20<Clorith>netstat -a ?
12:20<Clorith>or what irrgee ksaid
12:20<Clorith>*irgeek said
12:21<@irgeek>sjnims: iptables -L -nv
12:21<@irgeek>That will show you how many packets & bytes have matched each rule.
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12:24<jeromy>sjnims: use nmap to see open ports,perferable from a different machine
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12:28<tanto>hmm
12:28<tanto>df -h shows 187 GB in use, but du -h on / shows "115G ."
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12:37<Clorith>tanto: what about the other drives? :P
12:37*Clorith enjoys df -lha, or just using ncdu
12:38<tanto>only 1 drive
12:40<Clorith>well, if you have the ability to use ncdu, it usually shines a lof ot light on space usage
12:43<tanto>there's no RHEL package for ncdu it looks like
12:43<tanto>i'm not familiar with that tool, looks interesting though
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12:58<HoopyCat>tanto: there will normally be some discrepency between df and du; du only looks at files with directory entries, while df looks at the filesystem. df will include stuff like unlinked files that are still open (e.g. when you rm a log file that's still open for writing), temporary files without directory entries (if a program is going to just unlink it when it's done, why bother linking it?), etc
12:59<HoopyCat>tanto: that said, that's usually not gonna be a 70 GB difference
12:59<HoopyCat>(unless you just deleted 70 GB worth of log files or are running something that's quietly pontificating upon 70 GB of data :-)
13:00<tanto>hoopy yeah i found some stuff in lsof, i think this customers app(s) have deleted the file but the handle is still open or something
13:01<tanto>or someone manually deleted the files but the app still has the handle open
13:01<HoopyCat>tanto: SIGTERM it; if df goes down, there you go. :-)
13:01<tanto>i asked them if we can restart their apps
13:02<HoopyCat>tanto: :-/ nevermind then, i suppose you'll have to wait for them
13:02<HoopyCat>i've always been a fan of the stealth SIGSEGV
13:02<tanto>yep my hands are tied at this point
13:02<tanto>thanks for that 1 liner though
13:03<tanto>i added it to my notes, i'm sure i'll have to use it again at some point
13:03<HoopyCat>tanto: np... this is the first time i've used awk like that, so thank you! :-)
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13:03<amitz>people... features are considered bugs... and also the other way around.
13:04<HoopyCat>there's a reason htop puts a (!) in the uptime if it's over 100 days
13:04<tanto>this is one of those days i hate my job.
13:04<tanto>we have a crazy customer that has had us add 647 apache rewrites
13:04<tanto>"for my seo"
13:05<HoopyCat>tanto: that's why i love running lighttpd ;-)
13:06<HoopyCat>on that topic, i did have a brief war with nginx last night, and while i think i might like its config format a tinge better than lighttpd's, the documentation is horrific
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13:10<HoopyCat>well THAT bodes poorly
13:11<HoopyCat>i'm sitting there watching the ebb and flow of htop while i think about what i want to get done today, then suddenly *poof*: Aborted. Please report bug at http://htop.sf.netrtucker@rocwiki:~$
13:13<snubby>nods @ Hobbsee
13:13<snubby>er * HoopyCat
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13:13<HoopyCat>obviously, i'm running at about -1 millihelens today; just enough ugly to sink one ship
13:15<tanto>mysqld 13885 mysql 1w REG 8,7 77930656036 0 15353192 /var/lib/mysql/mysqld.log (deleted)
13:15<tanto>i think that's the problem right there =)
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13:15<tanto>hugely mysql log
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13:15<HoopyCat>tanto: i think the logrotate process may have forgotten to send the magic signal to mysqld
13:15<tanto>it wasn't logrotate
13:16<tanto>it was coworkertate i think
13:17<HoopyCat>tanto: i think "mysqladmin flush-logs" will fix it?
13:17<tanto>ahh wait you're right
13:17<tanto>one of my coworkers added a logrotate script for mysql
13:17<tanto>fml
13:18<HoopyCat>tanto: time to add a postrotate :-)
13:18<tanto>he added one
13:18<tanto>it doens't do anything lulz
13:19<HoopyCat>s/ a / a working /
13:23<HoopyCat>afk, homework &tc
13:23<tanto>omg
13:23<tanto>their mysql is set to log *every* query
13:23<tanto>that's less than ideal imho
13:23<HoopyCat>tanto: i was, btw, going to ask how you managed to get a mysqld log of nonzero length. that'd do it ;-)
13:24<HoopyCat>but really, afk, enough horror
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13:27<Clorith>So I finally found a massive flaw in irssi =(
13:27<Clorith>When having two or more channels grouped, you can't see what channel people part form during a netsplit, it just shows you taht someone left in both places :s
13:29<Rob>yeah id hardly call that a massive flaw :)
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13:29<Clorith>I would, because it makes you look stupid when you start commenting it in the wrong channel
13:30<deviantintegral>hi all; simple question - if the hardware hosting my VPS explodes / lights on fire / etc, does Linode keep a backup or do I have to do the restore myself?
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13:30<Rob>they prolly assume you can type /names yourself
13:31<Rob>and hence avoid such an issue
13:31<Clorith>but not if you didn't know what channel they werei n to begin with
13:31<Rob>then there is no danger of you trying to talk in the wrong channel about it
13:31<Rob>if you didnt know which channel it was to start with
13:32<Clorith>I just did it, so there obviosuly is, haha
13:32<@mikegrb>lolz
13:32<Rob>lol
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13:44<HoopyCat>deviantintegral: if you subscribe to the backup service, there'll be a backup on another machine in the same datacenter
13:45<deviantintegral>HoopyCat: ok, thanks
13:45<HoopyCat>deviantintegral: that'll protect against single-host conflagerations (rare) and stupid human tricks (less uncommon), but not against loss of datacenter or loss of linode as a going concern (neither of which has happened to linode yet)
13:46<deviantintegral>HoopyCat: I have my own backup script all ready to protect against user error, my main concern is if something happens and I'm away
13:47<TimothyA>I wish there was an easy way to corrolate ip_conntrack with netstat :|
13:47<HoopyCat>deviantintegral: the backup service is cheap insurance in that case. use your own backups for catastrophic situations and single-file restores :-)
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13:51<HoopyCat>!d
13:51<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 13% full (about 15 hours remaining). Last emptied 1 minute ago, last full 11 minutes ago after running for 13.2 hours.
13:51<HoopyCat>blurgh
13:52<deviantintegral>awesome, thanks
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13:53<HoopyCat>relatedly, i'm glad to see the s-discriminator is working on that thing
13:53<HoopyCat>deviantintegral: np
13:53<Clorith>raining a lot?
13:54<linbot>New news from forums: Lower plan or pay-per-resource? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5697>
13:54<HoopyCat>Clorith: a little bit, yeah... had some standing water in the basement earlier in the week. rained a lot over the weekend while we were gone, plus it was full for about 24 hours on friday because of craziness
13:55<HoopyCat>and yesterday was laundry day
13:55<daevien>hoopycat has a new pool!
13:56<Clorith>oh, so it's not just acumulating rain water?
13:56<HoopyCat>Clorith: nope, it's a dehumidifier... target is relative humidity <= 60%
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13:59<HoopyCat>or a dew point <= 10 C, which is high enough to be efficient yet low enough that condensation on cold water pipes isn't a huge problem
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14:03<HoopyCat>summer is a trivial brute-force effort; winter gets tough and is handled through a forecasting algorithm and an X10 controller to modulate the duty cycle for efficiency vs. effectiveness... the fatal flaw of the dehumidifier is that its humidity sensor is internal, so as it sits idle, moisture will evaporate from the tank and it will get more humid in there, which'll cause it to kick on just long enough for the air to exchange... ...
14:03<HoopyCat>... this is obviously inefficient
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14:03<HoopyCat>uhh, you know, i should probably get back to work rather than write an IRC essay about dehumidifier control logic
14:04<Clorith>so you hooked a dehumidifier up to the internet basically?
14:04<Clorith>or am I missing something, haha
14:04<daevien>thats the basic idea yeah Clorith
14:04<daevien>it tweets too
14:04<HoopyCat>Clorith: http://blog.hoopycat.com/tag/dehumidifier <--- start at the bottom
14:05<Clorith>that is so awesome
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14:14<@jed>http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/06/stop-motion_postit_mario.html
14:17<daevien>that what you do in your offtime jed? ;)
14:17<@jed>I wish
14:18<@jed>I just ordered preferred comcast with HBO, I got too much TV to watch
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14:18<@jed>in case you're unaware, the third season of true blood starts tonight
14:19<@jed>and you will get amazing bonus points if you order HBO for your girl
14:19<@jed>you're welcome
14:19<daevien>heh
14:20<daevien>i've got facebook spam from friends so i alreayd knew trueblood was starting
14:20<Clorith>wht if you don't hav a girl?
14:20<Clorith>or your girl hates the vampire crap all the girls are on about?
14:20<@jed>that's what she wants you to think
14:20<@jed>all chicks love the new, romantic vampires
14:20<@jed>It's the Rules
14:20<jtsage>do you have a dog that likes vampire stuff? perhaps she/he would enjoy it...
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14:22<@jed>and if you don't have a girl? go to the local starbucks and announce loudly that you just ordered HBO for your big screen TV, in order to watch true blood
14:22<@jed>you'll have a line of women
14:22<KingTarquin>Or get laughed it by a bunch of guys.
14:22<mendel>http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=2564
14:22<daevien>or both
14:22<reillyeon>Don't you mean "if you don't have a wife"?
14:22<mendel>oops, ww
14:24<Clorith>Where is perihelion when you need her :P
14:24<Clorith>she could deny your facts, jed xD
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14:28<@jed>she'll be watching it too
14:28<@jed>$10
14:30<Clorith>I'd take you up on that...if I wasn't so sure she'd gladly watch it jsut to spite me :P
14:30<daevien>heh
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14:41<azaghal>Romantic vampires is...
14:41<azaghal>Total crap
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14:47<@Perihelion>This is just to let you know that I will NOT be watching True Blood tonight.
14:47<@Perihelion>Thank you.
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14:50<@jed>har
14:52<daevien>she's busy tonight, she'll watch it tomorrow
14:52<daevien>:p
14:59<@jed>there's a hare outside my window staring at me
14:59<@jed>it's been there the last fifteen minutes -- are they really that bored?
15:01<daevien>he's plotting to steal your carrots
15:02<@jed>http://jedsmith.org/tmp/100_0250.JPG
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15:12<arch>hi guys
15:12<arch>I am experiencing some major downtime due to DNS issues
15:12<arch>let me explain
15:12<arch>I've been using zoneedit for DNS, and BOTH of their NS servers are down
15:13<Aletheuo>switch to everydns.net, its multicasted and free
15:13<@jed>or linode's free DNS service?
15:13<arch>so I switched the first server to Linode's NS but none of my 3 machines can resolve
15:13<@jed>arch: did you create a zone in the Linode Manager?
15:13<@jed>what domain?
15:13<arch>http://www.androidpolice.com
15:14<arch>I'm getting very inconsistent readings
15:14<arch>some users say they see it
15:14<arch>http://ismysiteup.org/check/androidpolice.com says it's down
15:14<@jed>probably because they're using the zoneedit ones
15:14<arch>but I'm seeing traffic
15:14<Aletheuo>yea, some of your domains are hosted on linode and some zoneedit
15:15<arch>some of my domains?
15:15<@jed>you need to pull zoneedit completely, especially since your zone uses ns1-ns5 as the authoritative NS
15:15<Aletheuo>I mean your domain is hosted between them both
15:15<Aletheuo>change them to all be linode
15:15<tentimes>Can anyone help me with SSH keys? Im logging in from a windows machine and want to switc to keys. I have generated a public and private key on my windows machine - what next? been reading all over and really confused
15:15<arch>yeah, shouldn't it just try the first server, then 2nd if 1st doesn't respond?
15:15<@jed>arch: that's up the resolver, and it varies
15:15<arch>I use ddclient to update them
15:15<@jed>up to, rather
15:15<Aletheuo>its round robin
15:15<arch>and linode doesn't support ddclient as far as I can tell
15:16<arch>alright, I'll switch it to all linode
15:16<@jed>arch: http://www.linode.com/api/
15:16<@jed>domain.resource.update with [remote_addr] as the update string will update an A record to the IP of the requesting host
15:17<arch>interesting
15:17<@jed>you could write your own ddclient in probably one line of cURL
15:17<arch>heh
15:17<arch>i'll read it up
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15:18<arch>OK, I've updated to all linode ns
15:19<@jed>within 24 hours it should be completely stable
15:19<@jed>revip.info has a multi-DNS thing which, if you put in "NS" and your domain, will tell you how propagated your change is
15:20<@jed>oof, you had a long TTL before :/
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15:20<@jed>make that 48 hours
15:20<arch>:[
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15:20<arch>btw, I can't seem to click on any link at revip
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15:20<@jed>javascript, maybe?
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15:21<arch>oh, you click at the top
15:21<@irgeek>arch: What are you using ddclient to update?
15:21<@jed>I ran it for you -- 393 resolvers see ns1-ns5.linode.com, 15 see zoneedit, 2 see dreamhost
15:21<arch>irgeek - the A records
15:21<arch>at zoneedit
15:21<@jed>the zoneedit/dreamhost ones are cached for 2 days
15:22<arch>do you guys see the site up?
15:22<@jed>yeah, I do
15:22<arch>one of my boxes can now see androidpolice.com but not www.androidpolice.com
15:22<arch>so odd
15:22<arch>www is a cname
15:22<@irgeek>When did the ZoneEdit nameservers fall over?
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15:23<arch>this morning around 2.5 hours ago
15:23<ericoc>if i go to http://androidpolice.com it redirects to http://www.androidpolice.com - works though
15:23<arch>they're pretty pathetic
15:23<arch>ericoc thanks
15:23<@jed>http://search.twitter.com/search?q=zoneedit
15:23<@jed>interesting, it looks like only ns2/ns17
15:23<arch>there's 1 more
15:24<arch>and that's my tweet
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15:24<arch>:P
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15:24<arch>well, the ArtemR one at least
15:25<arch>http://www.zoneedit.com/status.html shows last update in april
15:25<@irgeek>arch: If you still want to use ddclient, you can use any dynamic DNS service and CNAME to it from your zone.
15:25<arch>that gets resolved correctly?
15:25<@irgeek>Yes. Why wouldn't it?
15:26<arch>wasn't sure cnames could point to other names
15:26<@irgeek>Could? That's all they are.
15:26<@irgeek>They point to other names by definition.
15:27<arch>that's true
15:27<@irgeek>Like your mail CNAME.
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15:27<@jed>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omh8Ito-05M
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15:35<Clorith>metrics ftw.
15:37<Clorith>the flickering is giving me a headache though
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15:40<tentimes>ffs how do i get out of vi please? this is driving me nuts
15:40<Rob>aving or not saving?
15:40<randallman><esc> : q
15:40<randallman>no spaces
15:40<tentimes>i tried that
15:40<tentimes>it comes up with
15:41<randallman>see Rob's question :)
15:41<tentimes>a message in red and wont let me exit
15:41<Rob>:q!
15:41<randallman>if you dont want to save, <esc>:q!
15:41<randallman>yeah
15:41<tentimes>:
15:41<tentimes>phew
15:41<tentimes>big mistake typing that in
15:41<tentimes>should have used pico
15:42<Rob>pfft
15:42<randallman>learn VI, it's... better
15:42<Rob>vi++
15:42<randallman>or eamcs
15:42<randallman>err emacs
15:42<randallman>one or the other
15:42<randallman>Pico is... just notepad on Linux :)
15:43<tentimes>sweet - just what i want :)
15:43<tentimes><-- lifelong windows user, trying this out for the first time
15:43<tentimes>ive read so much on it but its remembering the commands that gets me - im such a retard
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15:44<Yaakov>tentimes: Really, learn vim it's worth it. Also, get Komodo Edit for remote use, it's free and does scp.
15:45<tentimes>currently using putty and filezilla
15:45<tentimes>just trying to secure things though - changed ports, in the middle of moving to key only, and then i will disable root
15:46<tentimes>after i figure out how to make a user...
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15:50<shanesveller>Hi there, I'm not so much looking for instructions, but I wanted to verify before I waste time researching the concept: can you set up DNS and linux services properly to allow for sending e-mail locally (i.e. from PHP) and through Google Apps, and receive e-mail (just) through Google Apps? Without having e-mail sent from the local service filtered as spam by i.e. Gmail, Yahoo, etc?
15:50<@irgeek>Yes.
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15:51<Aletheuo>yea you can have your email hosted at gmail and use ssmtp relay email through gmail
15:51<@irgeek>If your mail is getting marked as spam, you'd need to work with the company you're trying to deliver to.
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15:52<shanesveller>irgeek: haven't tried implementing it yet to know whether it would be filtered
15:52<tentimes>woohoo! at last i have key only remote login :)
15:52<shanesveller>Aletheuo: I don't want to necessarily relay e-mail through Google, primarily because of 1. sending limits and 2. hosting many domains on one VPS but across several Google Apps accounts
15:53<Aletheuo>shanesveller: when you send email from your gmail acct to your gmail acct, u might not see it, the trick is to setup a 'send only' gmail account to send email to/through your real gmail acct
15:53<@irgeek>You can relay directly from your Linode.
15:53<@irgeek>You don't need to go through Google's servers for outbound.
15:53<shanesveller>irgeek: that's what I'm hoping to accomplish
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15:54<arch>irgeek pm
15:54<shanesveller>irgeek: I have several PHP apps, mostly Wordpress, and will eventually have one or two Ruby on Rails apps, and so would prefer a local outbound mail service
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15:58<shanesveller>http://www.linode.com/forums/archive/o_t/t_5421/send_only_config_for_multiple_domains_with_google_apps.html pretty much describes my situation/intended use-case exactly
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16:05<Aletheuo>each mta can relay for unlimited domains, but for sending, 1 domain
16:05<Aletheuo>if that makes sense
16:06<Aletheuo>postfix can be configured with 1 domain, but can relay unlimited domains
16:06<@irgeek>What is the difference between sending and relaying?
16:06<shanesveller>with you so far, i think
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16:07<Aletheuo>relay is passing a mail through, originating, is originating from the box the mta is on
16:07<shanesveller>so I would neep a separate MTA daemon for each outbound domain?
16:07<@irgeek>Your previous statement doesn't make sense then.
16:08<Yaakov>The MTA can *send* mail for any number of domains. It doesn't have to "relay", it can originate mail for any number of domains from the machine on which it runs.
16:08<Yaakov>"local domains"
16:08<Aletheuo>yea local domains is what it can send as, but the helo ehlo is only 1 domain
16:09<shanesveller>local domains is determined by... configuration? DNS records?
16:09<Yaakov>Aletheuo: When it answers, yes.
16:09<Yaakov>shanesveller: Configuration.
16:09<@irgeek>Aletheuo: HELO isn't a domain. It's a hostname.
16:10<Aletheuo>its fqdn
16:10<Aletheuo>hostname and domain
16:10<Yaakov>It doesn't restrict in any way the number of domains for which the MTA will deliver mail.
16:10<Aletheuo>correct
16:10<@irgeek>The name sent in a HELO has nothing to do with the domain in the From address.
16:11<Aletheuo>its when you want to avoid spam filters is when it starts to matter, but technically no
16:11<Yaakov>It is simply what the server is know as, it is a hostname. The left-hand part of an MX record is NOT a hostname, the right is. In mail, the "domain" is not the same as it is for DNS.
16:11<pparadis>Aletheuo: that doesn't really matter either
16:12<pparadis>at least as far as having the FQDN for the mail server be one thing and sending mail for other domains
16:12<@irgeek>To avoid spam filters, you should have matching forward and reverse DNS for the name you claim in the HELO.
16:12<pparadis>that ^
16:12<Yaakov>For SMTP mail, a domain is never particularly expected to be serviced by a machine who's hostname uses a machining DNS domain part.
16:12<@irgeek>It doesn't matter if it's the same as the domains in the email.
16:12<Aletheuo>yea you also want to helo with the domain your sending mail as
16:12<@irgeek>No.
16:12<@irgeek>No.
16:12<@irgeek>No.
16:12<pparadis>and No.
16:12<@irgeek>Doesn't matter.
16:13<@irgeek>Gmail sends mail out from servers that are *not* in the gmail.com zone.
16:13<shanesveller>Reverse DNS for a single IP can only resolve to a single hostname, correct?
16:13<hawk>shanesveller: Well, I guess you can set up round-robin PTRs
16:13<pparadis>Aletheuo: i've been happily sending classhelper.org mail through a mail server at palegray.net for years without problems, along with several other doamins
16:14<pparadis>domains, even
16:14<@irgeek>shanesveller: It's technically possible to have multiple PTR records for an IP, but we only serve up one for you/
16:14<shanesveller>I do use Linode's DNS
16:14<hawk>Worth noting: Having multiple PTR records is a bit on the crazy side
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16:14<@irgeek>That's not where your reverse DNS comes from.
16:15<shanesveller>I thought it was another DNS record?
16:15<hawk>It is a DNS record in the reverse zone for the IP network...
16:15<@irgeek>It is.
16:15<@irgeek>But it's not in your zone.
16:15<@irgeek>We control those zones.
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16:19<Aletheuo>hehe
16:19<@jed>irgeek: you know what the office needs?
16:19<@jed>vuvuzelas for every Linode employee.
16:19<@jed>am I right?
16:19<@jed>maybe we should make that our new hold music: the vuvuzela chorus
16:21<daevien>jed, had to look that up. that woudl be the loud annoying droning backgroudn sound heard currently at the world cup which annoys teh livign shit out of me?
16:21-!-A-KO^ [as@c-68-33-146-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linode
16:21<@jed>yeah, the beehive of the TV coverage
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16:22<daevien>had been watchign ger vs aus til that stream link went funky. not that i mattered, 4 to 0. ick
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16:22<daevien>but that buzzing was freakign annoying
16:22<@jed>we need 10 of them for the office, stat
16:22<@jed>every time one of you call the office I'm gonna get right behind the person talking to you and blow it
16:23<jtsage>During the event many competitors have criticised and complained about the noise caused by the vuvuzela horns, including France's Patrice Evra who blamed the horns for the team's poor performance.[26] He also claimed that the sound of the vuvuzelas away from the stadiums hampered the ability of the players to get their rest.[27] Other critics include Lionel Messi who complained that the sound of the vuvuzelas hampered communication among players on the pitch,[
16:23<jtsage>28] and broadcasting companies, who complained that commentators' voices were being drowned out by the sound.[29] Cristiano Ronaldo went on record to state that the sound of the vuvuzelas disturbed the teams' concentration.[30]
16:23<jtsage>freakin babies.
16:24<shanesveller>looking for a shallow answer here, but is it at all worthwhile running something like Varnish in front of Apache2 and/or Nginx on a single VPS? depending on memory/cpu availability, i'd imagine
16:25<Aletheuo>yea, if you have alot of static content, varnish is great
16:25<Aletheuo>but nginx alone handles better than apache, imho
16:26<shanesveller>Aletheuo: still toying with nginx+php-fastcgi for some wordpress blogs on a local box before i go into production with it
16:27<Aletheuo>nginx php-fastcgi work great together
16:28<shanesveller>i also have a more complex wiki app (tikiwiki, bleh) that I'm working on converting the Rewrite rules for
16:28<@mikegrb>mmm cake
16:28<shanesveller>mediawiki on nginx is cake, but this app is giving me so many headaches
16:28<Learned>shanesveller, varnish with project mercury drupal worked wonders
16:29<Learned>im running 540 atm.
16:29<Aletheuo>Learned: so you got varnish working?
16:29<daevien>shanesveller: http://www.anilcetin.com/convert-apache-htaccess-to-nginx/
16:29<Learned>yes!
16:29<Aletheuo>cool
16:29<Aletheuo>and it helped?
16:29<Learned>i know just havent seen a big hit yet though
16:29<Learned>as in alot of users at one time
16:29<Learned>avg 50 at same time and seems speedy
16:30<Aletheuo>are you reverse proxying to nginx or apache?
16:30<Learned>apache solr
16:30<Learned>pantheon mecury
16:30<Learned>getpatheon.com
16:30<tentimes>i wonder if nginx has some really sneaky back door
16:30<Learned>i assume its modified apache
16:30<Learned>i wonder how well it would do if it use nginx
16:33<pparadis>tentimes: read the source
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16:35<shanesveller>Thanks for your help everybody :)
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16:54<CrunchyChewie>can anyone help me out with an iptables issue?
16:55<@irgeek>!ask
16:55<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
16:55<CrunchyChewie>!ask
16:55<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
16:56<CrunchyChewie>after setting up my iptables according to this file: http://articles.slicehost.com/assets/2007/9/4/iptables.txt now the only port I can ssh into the linode is 22
16:56<CrunchyChewie>I changed --dport 30000 to the port I specified in my sshd_config
16:57<@irgeek>Unless you changed it to 22, you shouldn't even be able to SSH to port 22.
16:58<@mikegrb>lolz
16:58<CrunchyChewie>lol
16:58<CrunchyChewie>well 22 works, and the one I specified doesnt
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16:58<@irgeek>Are you sshing to your Linode or the host it's on?
16:59<CrunchyChewie>linodexxxxx@datacenter.linode.com
16:59<@irgeek>That's the host.
16:59<@irgeek>You don't control those ports.
16:59<@irgeek>!library ssh
16:59<CrunchyChewie>I control them all
16:59<linbot>irgeek: 1. Using SSHFS on Linux and MacOS X (http://bitl.in/rnpf) - 2. Securely Administer MySQL with an SSH Tunnel (http://bitl.in/rfv) - 3. Securely Administer Oracle XE with an SSH Tunnel (http://bitl.in/iampe)
16:59<CrunchyChewie>I am the man
16:59<@mikegrb>lolz
16:59<CrunchyChewie>lol
16:59<@irgeek>Except you don't.
16:59<CrunchyChewie>alright
16:59<CrunchyChewie>so ssh into the ip instead
17:00<@irgeek>http://library.linode.com/getting-started/#connecting_to_your_linode_with_ssh
17:00<@irgeek>Read that.
17:01<CrunchyChewie>it worked!
17:01<@irgeek>:o
17:01<CrunchyChewie>thanks a lot
17:01<CrunchyChewie>that was driving me nuts
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17:06<daevien>caker = the man
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17:09<HoopyCat>so this pirate walks into the bar, and the bartender can't help but notice he's got a huge ship's wheel on his crotch
17:10<HoopyCat>... ugh, calculus is making me looney. i'm finding punchlines and solving them for the jokes
17:10<@mikegrb>lolz
17:10<CrunchyChewie>lol@HoopyCat
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17:17<CrunchyChewie>what kind of cal
17:17<CrunchyChewie>*calc
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17:21<HoopyCat>CrunchyChewie: calculus II; the semester-long class which, combined with a semester of calculus I, transfers to my new .edu as the three quarters of calculus A, B, and C so i can take differential equations in the fall and, hopefully, signals and systems in the winter.
17:21<tentimes>Yuk - nginx looks horrible to install for lots of domains
17:21<tentimes>i think i might just neuter apache
17:22<HoopyCat>tentimes: looks no worse than apache, but it appears to lack the simple_vhost of lighttpd
17:22<Aletheuo>you can breakup the domains into seperate include files, that cleans it up alot
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17:22<tentimes>the thing is, i cant use lighttpd as all im reading shows that it does have problems running for a while
17:23<tentimes>and with nginx i see difficulty with multipole domains plus no cgi
17:23<Aletheuo>yea memory leak problems, thats why alot of people turned to nginx
17:23<tentimes>but apache is more of a resource hogg
17:23<HoopyCat>tentimes: i'm not sure what you're reading wrt lighttpd, but there seems to be this rumor of memory leaks going around
17:23<Aletheuo>you can do cgi the same way as php
17:24<HoopyCat>i'm not sure what people are doing, but i have not yet run into a memory leak problem with lighttpd.
17:24<HoopyCat>www-data 29008 0.0 0.9 7388 3332 ? Ss Apr30 3:26 /usr/sbin/lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf -D
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17:24<CrunchyChewie>I am in the midst of installing nginx for a 2-domain vps
17:25<CrunchyChewie>doesnt seem that bad
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17:25<tentimes>hmmm
17:25<tentimes>im wobbling
17:26<smed>does lighttpd support virtual-hosting ?
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17:27<HoopyCat>smed: by virtual hosting, you mean being able to have http://hoopycat.com/ and http://picardfacepalm.com/ on the same IP:port with the same web server but different content? if so, then very much yes
17:28<smed>indeed, that is what I meant.
17:28<HoopyCat>in fact, as implementations go, lighttpd's is my most favorite (see mod_simple_vhost)
17:28<smed>very interesting.
17:28<smed>so, how much "lighter" than say, apache2 ?
17:29<HoopyCat>smed: see my paste of 5 minutes ago
17:29<smed>not that my needs are demanding at all....just curious about how much one could stretch a server.
17:29<smed>will do.
17:30<HoopyCat>www-data 31402 0.0 0.6 8180 2432 ? S 05:03 0:28 /usr/sbin/lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf
17:30<HoopyCat>busier server :-)
17:30<tentimes>well, looks like its messy altering vhosts but, hmmm.... ive been trying to decide now for 4 hours...
17:30<HoopyCat>afk, catching stuff on fire
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17:30<diederik>can I ask a question about configuring the log files for apache?
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17:32<diederik>I want for each virtual host that apache has separate log files but I think something is wrong with the permission because nothing is written to the custom log file
17:32<diederik>what are the appropriate permissions for apache log files?
17:32<@irgeek>Apache won't create the directory it's in.
17:33<tentimes>i know almost nothing, but... what the dir permission set to?
17:34<diederik>right now the owner and group are both root for the log directory
17:35<@irgeek>Apache opens logs before it drops privileges. They're opened as root.
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17:35*linbot drops logs
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17:36<diederik>but nothing is added to the log file in that directory
17:36<diederik>not to the access log or the error log
17:36<smed>I think you have to create the individual log-files prior to restarting apache.....I could be wrong.
17:37<smed> - touch server.domain.xxx-access-log
17:37<smed> - touch server.domain.xxx-error-log
17:38<@irgeek>Apache will create the files, but not the directory they go in.
17:38<smed>k - tx irgeek
17:38<@irgeek>If is can't open a log file, it will complain at startup.
17:38<smed>right....I think I recall that once or twice.
17:38<@irgeek>If it creates the file but there's nothing in it, you're probably not hitting that virtual host.
17:39<smed>I think by habit I just create the logfiles ahead of time but I'm by no means an expert.
17:39<diederik>that's my suspicion as well
17:39<@irgeek>Try this: apache2ctl -S
17:40<@irgeek>That will list all of the virtual hosts Apache sees in it's config.
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17:42<diederik>thanks, it showed that two virtual hosts have the same name so first fixing that
17:44<diederik>mmmm, that didn't solve the problem
17:45<daevien>how many hits do you get to that picard page anyway HoopyCat? :p
17:45<diederik>the weird thing is that apache does not log access attempts when I just hit the root domain from my web browser
17:46<@irgeek>!pb
17:46<linbot>http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel
17:46<@irgeek>Past your config.
17:49<diederik>irgeek: http://p.linode.com/3940 the first virtual host config does work (mappian), the second one teaser has the log file issues
17:55<@irgeek>ServerName needs to be the full name.
17:55<diederik>okay, the full domain name?
17:55<@irgeek>In other words, it needs to be what's between http:// and the first /
17:55<diederik>check
17:56<@irgeek>Also, make sure you have a NameVirtualHost directive somewhere in there.
17:56<diederik>but for both virtual hosts that is mappian.com, so maybe i am misusing the concept of virtualhost? (basically i have different django applications that I would like to host under different paths)
17:57<@irgeek>apache2ctl -S should have output "*:80 is a NameVirtualHost"
17:58<@irgeek>You just need Alias/ScriptAlias/WSGIScriptAlias stuff for multiple apps on the same site.
17:58<diederik>check, that's the case
17:58<diederik>yes, that's what I need, but I would like to have separate log files for the different django apps
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18:06<CrunchyChewie>if the registrar of a domain tells me that my authorative and active nameservers are different does that just mean I have to wait for them to update?
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18:11<tentimes>i would check your nameservers again
18:11<tentimes>just incase theres a typo
18:11<tentimes>or you left 1 the same
18:13<CrunchyChewie>all 5 are the correct linode servers
18:13<CrunchyChewie>the active ones at least
18:13<CrunchyChewie>the authorative ones are still listed as the registrars
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18:25<divoxx>Hey guys.. I'm trying to boot a custom kernel but it's not working... watching the console, the grub boot menu appears but when booting the screen session is terminated and it seems that the virtual machine gets rebooted
18:25<divoxx>any ideas what could be causing it?
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18:26<divoxx>is there any hidden place I could look for a verbose log of the boot process to try to find out what is going on?
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18:28<diederik>irgeek: this fixes my problem: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/deployment/modpython/#multiple-django-installations-on-the-same-apache
18:28<diederik>but thanks for your pointers and time
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18:47<tanto>Jesus is not a zombie.
18:47<TheJoe>Except on Fridays.
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19:00<tentimes>Does anyone know an equivelent for "libtool-ltdl-devel" in ubuntu? says it cant find it
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19:10<trelane>need to speak with an abuse role please
19:10<trelane>directly if possible
19:10<trelane><-- Admin at the AHBL
19:10<trelane>shouldn't take long
19:11<@jed>as an admin at a BL, you know paper trails are important
19:11<@caker>it's really the best way. With log snippets, please
19:11<@jed>we're not dismissing you.
19:11<trelane>(not a linode customer nor are any of our admins)
19:15<@caker>trelane: well, if you wouldn't mind typing up a quick synopsis of the situation and sending it off to abuse@ - that'd be great
19:16<@caker>humans to actually read them :)
19:16<@caker>*do
19:21<hobot>man linode is great
19:22<Tiven>nooooo
19:22<Tiven>linode sucks.
19:23<hobot>im gonna duel ya for that
19:23<hobot>chose your weapon
19:23<hobot>choose*
19:23-!-superjoe [~andy@ip70-190-68-98.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #linode
19:23<superjoe>hello. does linode have that one thing where you can upgrade your account live?
19:23<Tiven>i choose a steak
19:24<Tiven>hey jed
19:24<Tiven>we have steakkkkkkk
19:24<hobot>I choose guns
19:24<Tiven>[02:10] <trelane> <-- Admin at the AHBL <<< whats AHBL?
19:24<@caker>superjoe: you can resize your Linode, but it involves short downtime while the node is moved to different hardware (usually measured in minutes)
19:24<@caker>superjoe: one button.
19:24<superjoe>thanks caker
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19:30<tanto> The AHBL is a database of hosts that have been known to cause various forms of abuse on the Internet which includes UCE/UBE/spam, Denial Of Service attacks, cracking attempts, and much more.
19:30<tanto>there you go tiven
19:30<tanto>http://www.dnsbl.info/dnsbl-details.php?dnsbl=dnsbl.ahbl.org
19:30<Tiven>ah cool
19:30<Tiven>thanks mate :)
19:30<tanto>http://ahbl.org/
19:31<tanto>apparently they love drupal and have their site plastered with google ads
19:31<tanto>i'm not sure i'd trust a blacklist to be objective when they're supposed by google ads =)
19:31<tanto>err
19:31<tanto>supposed = supported
19:33<tentimes>Could anyone help me please with installing libtool-ltdl-devel
19:34<tentimes>i see people using yum to install it no problem. Im on Ubuntu
19:34<@jed>tentimes: libltdl-dev
19:35<tentimes>yeah i tried that
19:35<tentimes>says no such package
19:35<@jed>which version of ubuntu, and have you updated?
19:35<tentimes>latest
19:35<tentimes>10.whatever LTL
19:35<@jed>aptitude update && aptitude install libltdl-dev
19:36<trelane>Tiven, www.ahbl.org (a DNS Blacklist)
19:38<tentimes>well slap my thigh and call my gertrude... it worked :) thanks Jed
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19:43<Tiven>:)
19:45<@jed>np
19:45*HoopyCat slaps tentimes' thigh; asks him if he has a phone number for his gertrude
19:46<tentimes>err... hehe
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19:48<Talman>I... see.
19:51<tentimes>sweet, i have nginx running now. now idea what the 300 commands i typed did, but there ya go ;)
19:52<tentimes>*no idea
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19:59<pparadis>i do not believe i could ever be involved with a woman named gertrude, regardless of how physically attractive she might be. i just don't think i could do it.
19:59<pparadis>ultimate birth control: name your daughter gertrude.
19:59<mdcollins>haha! agreed
20:00<tentimes>heh - you know thats not true, even if she wasw called Fred ;)
20:00<tentimes>now if she had a beard...
20:01<tentimes>but anyway - i shouldnt think too much before i go to bed
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20:02<Talman>Just call her Trudy.
20:02<@caker>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1PWMKjgr24 <-- sick
20:02*Talman knew a girl named Christina, everyone called her Chrissy, she wanted to kill them. I called her Chris.
20:03<Talman>Say, caker. When you fly, you're flying in a real aircraft, correct?
20:03<@caker>heh, yes.. usually a Piper Cherokee PA-28
20:03<jeromy>caker: are you willing to open the door at altitude?
20:03<Talman>OK, thought so, but you know how some people are with simulators. It looked like you were doing flight instruction.
20:04<Talman>CAN you open the door at altitude? :)
20:04<@caker>jeromy: I don't think I'd do that, no
20:04<jeromy>caker: i pay $24 for a ride up to 14,000...
20:04<Talman>My GF keeps trying to get me to play more flight sims. I have Orbiter, for example, but I usually fly in atmosphere.
20:04<@caker>jeromy: jumper?
20:04<jeromy>haha, never tried it in a piper, but cessna 172, 182, 185.. twin otter, caravan
20:04<jeromy>caker: yep :)
20:05<jeromy>caker: you ever try it? or only like to drive the bus?
20:05<Talman>>.> I have never understood people who jump out of aircraft.
20:05<Talman><- Afraid of Heights. You better convince me that shit will work when I jump.
20:05<jeromy>Talman: it's the legal equivant to snorting a line of coke
20:06*Talman has no real problems when hooked up to some kind of fall arrest system, but I still hate heights.
20:06<jeromy>costs about $20, highly addictive, and the buzz only last 15 minutes before you want to do it again
20:07<Talman>Someone was telling me they have a new "I am not jump certified" way to go down.
20:07<Talman>Two jumpmasters hold you, then peel off and you pull your chute.
20:07<Talman>This ... doesn't sound safe to me.
20:07<jeromy>that is called an AFF skydive, it's one method of training to get you certified
20:07<Yaakov>Parachutes can fail. I feel more comfortable jumping without a chute.
20:07<Talman>It sounds somewhat frightening.
20:08<Talman>I"d feel more comfortable, too, without a chute... If I were wearing iron man armor or some shit. :)
20:08<jeromy>it's very safe. before an AFF or an IAD skydive (the modern equiv of static line) you have to take a First Jump Course that prepares you for as much as possible
20:08<Talman>Yaakov, someone alled the angry athiests out as what they are: Fundies.
20:09<Yaakov>Hmm?
20:09<TimothyA>we are fundies?
20:09<@caker>jeromy: no, I've never jumped. Right now I'm just going for my private
20:09<Talman>http://digg.com/political_opinion/New_atheists_embody_the_very_things_they_hate
20:09<Yaakov>caker: Hello!
20:09<Talman>Digg is in an uproar.
20:09<@caker>howdy Yaakov
20:10<Talman>Some of you are, TimothyA.
20:10<Talman>Prothelization, etc.
20:10<mdcollins>ugh, my wife wants to parachute out an airplane..
20:10<mdcollins>i couldnt do it..
20:10<Talman>I could do it, but I don't want to.
20:11<jeromy>caker: ahh i see. i tried flying, that is i took a 30 min "introductory flight" with an instructor... wasn't as much fun as jumping and the coordinated turns just seemed/felt weird or unnatural to me somehow
20:11<Yaakov>caker: When does Linode get a private jet?
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20:11<jeromy>Yaakov: caker.. no, get a Twin Otter... something i can jump out of!
20:11<TheJoe>Yaakov: How is babby formed?
20:11<Talman>Do you need a seperate certificate for jets?
20:11<Yaakov>caker: A Gulfstream IV would be perfect...
20:12<@caker>Yaakov: I'll get right on that
20:12*caker increases pricing 400%
20:12<jeromy>Talman: speed is too high in a jet for safe/comfortable jump
20:12<Talman>Wait, no...
20:12<Talman>I mean for flight. :)
20:12*mdcollins cant afford $80 for a linode 360..
20:12<jeromy>caker: if that comes with free jumps, i'm in!
20:12<Talman>You can't jump from a jet.
20:12<mdcollins>too high/fast?
20:13<Talman>You can be explosively thrown from an jet by ejector seat...
20:13<@caker>you can go low in a jet :)
20:13<bd_>mdcollins: eh, shut off the engines and coast until you slow down
20:13<@tasaro>The A-Team did it...
20:13<bd_><.<
20:13<Talman>Well, yeah...
20:13<Talman>I mean, you can jump from a C5.
20:13<Talman>You just can't be going HOLY SHIT fast.
20:13<jeromy>Talman: from a very small jet, at it's slowest speed - just above it's stall point - you can survive an exit from a jump.. it's just not comfortable enough to make it recreationally viable
20:13<Yaakov>"I'm Chris and I will be your pilot on this flight. We'll be cruising at an altitude of 32.000 feet at a maximum speed of about 350 miles per hour. As we depart we'll pass over the Jersey Shore and if you are seated on the left of the cabin you'll get a good look at the herds of wild Guidos on the beach."
20:13<Talman>jeromy, what about rear exiting?
20:14*TheJoe can hardly afford $20 for a 360
20:14<mdcollins>ok, you can, but a prop plane would be better
20:14<@caker>we've reached our cruising altitude of 1.21 megabits
20:14<jeromy>Talman: it's possible - just not comfortable
20:15<Yaakov>In the event of a disk failure your seat cushion will function as a USB drive.
20:15<Talman>What's on the USB device!
20:15<@tasaro>If you'd please make your way back to your seats and buckle in... a cable has become lause and we're going into a -2G dive on the border router
20:15<@caker>haha
20:15<Yaakov>Howdy, Mr. T.
20:15<jeromy>the average jump plane travels at 60 - 90 mph... at 100... 110 it gets uncomfortable... at some point 200? it gets fatal
20:15<TheJoe>caker: Does networking speed really work as a height analogy?
20:15<Talman>Yes, the faster you go, the higher you are.
20:15<TheJoe>Because like
20:16<TheJoe>In aviation
20:16<TheJoe>The higher you go, the more dangerous is it
20:16<@caker>speed determines altitute
20:16<Talman>You're a freaking astronaut on cable, yo.
20:16<TheJoe>In computing, the faster you go, the more epic you are
20:16<Talman>I"m on 40mb!
20:16<Talman>I'm in SPACE!
20:16<Yaakov>I don't know... the SR71 is pretty epic.
20:16<Yaakov>In fact, a Linode (green) SR71 is just the ticket.
20:16<bd_>caker: Unless you're pointing straight down. >.>
20:16<Yaakov>I'll open one...
20:17<TheJoe>Using networking for height kind of implies there's a limit
20:17<TheJoe>S'all I'm saying
20:17<Yaakov>Linode already offers epic data rates, stratospheric, even.
20:18<Talman>With Comcast, you can be an astronaut.
20:18<pparadis>you can improve your linode's speed by purchasing racing stripes from the extras tab in the linode manager. a simple reboot is required for them to be utilized.
20:18-!-mode/#linode [+o pparadis] by caker
20:19<Talman>A distro change to Gentoo is not required, but encouraged.
20:19<Yaakov>Go you offer speed holes?
20:19<Yaakov>Do
20:19<@pparadis>yes, although that involves use of the "rm" command and is considered advanced.
20:19<@pparadis>you must create the holes yourself to avoid liability issues.
20:20<mdcollins>mm.. racing stripes.. my faves
20:21<Yaakov>http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d173/ChocoTaco369/?action=view¤t=SpeedHoles.flv
20:23<TheJoe>Hey Yaakov, do you still love us?
20:23<Yaakov>Generally speaking, I love you all with a great huge love until further notice.
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20:23<TheJoe>Good to know
20:24<Talman>I want some speed holes.
20:24<TheJoe>Aww, ReactOS website is down. Such a terrible shame.
20:25<mdcollins>damn, i need a pickaxe..
20:25*mdcollins wants speed holes in his motorcycle and car
20:25*TimothyA drills holes with a screwdriver
20:25<mdcollins>http://www.xtremeterrain.com/handle-allmulti-functiontool4-in-1shovelsledgehammeraxepick-axe.aspx
20:26<mdcollins>awesome.. 4-in-1
20:26<mdcollins>only 142.95!
20:26<TheJoe>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzpRh-ZE9Mo Chinese Army Shovel.
20:26<@pparadis>epic ^
20:27<TimothyA>old
20:27*TimothyA fences with said shovel
20:27*jeromy detaches
20:28*TheJoe urmoms
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20:29<TheJoe>CLIMB
20:29<TheJoe>FUNCTION SHOW
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20:33<@pparadis>random musical aside: the score for "Angels and Demons" was composed by Hans Zimmer, but is highly reminiscent of Michael Nyman's score for Gattaca, specifically the Gattaca scenes "The other side" and "Going home"
20:34<@pparadis>the resemblance is striking, in fact
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20:37<jcy>i think i'll turn the Star Blazers theme into a ringtone
20:43<Talman>I want to know how many of those features the Gerber Entrenching Tool can do.
20:44<Talman>i.e. I'm not sure Gerber's tool is sharpened on one side like soviet/chinese ones are.
20:45<dKingston>I 'ave bean a bubble sculptar for about tventy years. Ze bubbles are a very fine way
20:45<dKingston> to sculpt ze real world...
21:00<CrunchyChewie>anyone using NearlyFreeSpeech.Net as their registrar?
21:02<Yaakov>I use muchmoreexpensiveforexactlythesameresult.com because they cost more.
21:02<mdcollins>yup
21:02<@mikegrb>lolz
21:02<CrunchyChewie>lol
21:02<CrunchyChewie>well
21:03<CrunchyChewie>my question is probably more general
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21:03<CrunchyChewie>but they are passing an error on one of my domains saying there is a discrepancy between my authorative and active name servers
21:03<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Manage and Automate Systems Configuration with Puppet <http://library.linode.com/development/configuration-management/puppet-automation> || Basic Puppet Setup and Configuration <http://library.linode.com/development/configuration-management/puppet-installation>
21:04<CrunchyChewie>my other domain, which is set up exactly the same, does not have said error
21:04<TimothyA>http://getnloose.com/2010/06/13/usa-wins-1-1/
21:04<CrunchyChewie>both have DNS disabled, and linodes name servers are listed correctly
21:04<mdcollins>i know when i was missing ns5, i had an error similar
21:05<CrunchyChewie>hmm
21:05<CrunchyChewie>ns5 is correct on both
21:05<SelfishMan>!ipinfo 140.239.100.162
21:05<linbot>SelfishMan: IP: 140.239.100.162; rDNS: None; ASN adv net: 140.239.0.0/16; ASN: AS2828; ASN owner: XO Communications; ASN reg: 2001-12-19; Abuse contact: abuse@xo.net; Net owner: XO Communications; City: Washington; State: District of Columbia; Country: US; http://revip.info/lookup/140.239.100.162
21:07<CrunchyChewie>to make sure, the SOA listing in DNS manager in my linode dashboard should be the rname=hostmaster@registrar.net?
21:09<@caker>CrunchyChewie: it should be your email address
21:09<Chris___>Was there any official reason given for Dallas's hiccup this morning?
21:09<CrunchyChewie>so just validemail@mydomain.com ?
21:10<Nivex>!ipinfo 2001:470:8898:101::1
21:10<linbot>Nivex: IP: 2001:470:8898:101::1; rDNS: None; http://revip.info/lookup/2001:470:8898:101::1
21:10<SelfishMan>always someone
21:10<Chris___>It's like, the 4th or 5th time in a month Dallas has hiccuped :|
21:10<@caker>Chris___: we dealt with a a flood this morning, if that's what you're referring to
21:10<Irwin>anyone here mind helping me out with a perl problem?
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21:10<@caker>yeah, dallas has had a string of incidents the past few weeks - a few hardware issues, and then a few floods :/
21:11-!-mode/#linode [+o array] by ChanServ
21:11<@caker>the good news is that we're moving up to 10G soon, so that should lessen the broad effect floods have today
21:11<@caker>10G is a pretty big milestone and I'm excited about it
21:11<Nivex>ooooooh! :)
21:12<@jed>moar pipes to DoS you with if you don't pay
21:12<@caker>and the other facilities to follow
21:13<Nivex>I take it right now in each DC Linode has 1Gbps
21:13<@caker>at least, yes
21:13<@caker>10G is not cheap :)
21:14<Nivex>I imagine not
21:14<CrunchyChewie>is there any particular reason I need to enable AXFR?
21:14<@caker>CrunchyChewie: if you don't know, then no.
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21:14<Nivex>good to know that Linode is making enough dough to afford it
21:16<CrunchyChewie>are you talking about internal infra?
21:16<CrunchyChewie>10G?
21:16<@caker>CrunchyChewie: yes, specifically our connection into the datacenter's core network
21:16<CrunchyChewie>aha
21:16<@caker>well, connections
21:16<CrunchyChewie>copper or fiber?
21:17<@caker>this will be fiber. 10G copper has a range of only like 15 feet or something silly
21:17<@tasaro>phibre
21:17<CrunchyChewie>wow
21:17<@mikegrb>lolz
21:17<CrunchyChewie>guess I'll have to wait for Cat 126e for my home 10G network lol
21:18<@tasaro>or stay within 15 feet of your gear
21:18<CrunchyChewie>now that I think about it...
21:18<CrunchyChewie>perchance to dream...
21:18<@pparadis>a friend of mine ran fiber throughout her house a few years ago so she wouldn't have to deal with as much down the road.
21:18<@caker>10Gbit is 1 CD-ROM in .5 seconds :)
21:19<CrunchyChewie>dang
21:19<@jed>CrunchyChewie: wait for 40 GigE
21:19<@caker>or a DVD in 3.76 seconds
21:19<@caker>boom.
21:19<straterra>fiber..waste of money for a home
21:19<Nivex>caker: do we even have a disk that could read the image that fast?
21:19<straterra>Unless you plan on putting fiber NICs in everything
21:19<@caker>Nivex: yes, it's called RAM :)
21:19<@jed>Nivex: RAM
21:19<CrunchyChewie>if by "waste of money" you mean "totally awesome" then yes.....
21:20<straterra>No, I meants "Waste of money"
21:20<straterra>-s
21:20<@pparadis>straterra: not when you designed your home yourself and do things like civil engineering with solar applications and other fun stuff for a living
21:20<reillyeon>caker: In your 70,000x CD-ROM drive.
21:20<@caker>reillyeon: indeed
21:20<straterra>pparadis: That doesn't change the fact you'd need to put fiber switches or fiber nics at all of your drops
21:20*caker presses PLAY
21:20<CrunchyChewie>alright my registrar still says my auth and active name servers are different
21:21<@pparadis>straterra: sigh. you're missing the part about her using her home for demo purposes.
21:21<CrunchyChewie>are they just lax in updating the records?
21:21<@pparadis>for people with large amounts of money.
21:21<straterra>pparadis: You never said demo..but still
21:21<CrunchyChewie>I did register the domain on sunday(today)
21:21<straterra>How are people going to hook up their PS3s..and such?
21:22<@pparadis>she didn't _just_ run fiber, there is plenty of cat-5 in that house, too
21:22<@caker>CrunchyChewie: you're making changes AT the registrar itself? -- just trying to switch to ns1-5.linode.com's auth nameservers?
21:22<CrunchyChewie>shit
21:22<straterra>Fiber..and copper that isn't even rated for gigabit? Pfft
21:22<SelfishMan>!ipinfo 77.0.0.0
21:22<@jed>yeah, what's the point of the cat-5 if you've already run fiber?
21:22<linbot>SelfishMan: IP: 77.0.0.0; rDNS: None; ASN adv net: 77.0.0.0/12; ASN: AS6805; ASN owner: Telefonica Deutschland Autonomous System; ASN reg: 1996-05-15; Abuse contact: ncc@telefonica.de; City: Mainz; State: Rheinland-Pfalz; Country: DE; http://revip.info/lookup/77.0.0.0
21:22<CrunchyChewie>sorry
21:23<@caker>jed: NIC cost
21:23<CrunchyChewie>the registrar gives me the option to set the name servers
21:23<straterra>Cat5? What is this, 1997?
21:23<CrunchyChewie>so I just put ns1-5.linode.com
21:23*straterra points to Cat6e or Cat7
21:23<@pparadis>it was 2000 then, actually
21:23<CrunchyChewie>works on my other domain
21:23<straterra>5e was popular by then
21:23<CrunchyChewie>however, this one is giving me fits
21:24<@caker>CrunchyChewie: what's the domain?
21:24<@pparadis>straterra: by cat-5, i mean cat-5e
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21:25<straterra>oh..well..thats kind of a big thing
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21:37<HoopyCat>CrunchyChewie: ns1.linode.com, ns2.linode.com, ..., ns5.linode.com, right? not literally ns1-5.linode.com? :-) (just checking)
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21:59<Tiven>i love it
21:59<Tiven>cant sleep and i have exam in 5 hours >_>
22:03<randallman>just turned in my week 10 term paper in CIS324
22:03<randallman>whee
22:03<randallman>finishing the 9th chapter now, gotta take a 1 hr weekend exam in about 30 minutes
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22:07<CrunchyChewie>sorry back was putting kiddo to bed
22:07<CrunchyChewie>HoopyCat: yes, actually i checked the urls in firefox and they point to my nginx install, so I assume my registrar is just slow on the uptake
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22:10<CrunchyChewie>then again I dunno, I don't have 2 live sites yet so we will see if there are any underlying issues with my vhosts or dns
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22:24<HoopyCat>CrunchyChewie: what's the domain again?
22:27<HoopyCat>"conducted pioneering work on the electroencephalography of gelatin desserts"
22:28*HoopyCat pops open a beer, for he has just been humbled by the light of pure awesome
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22:34<CrunchyChewie>back again
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22:34<CrunchyChewie>domain is track51647.net
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22:41<HoopyCat>Jell-O functions the same way — it just happens to be a type of resistor you can eat.
22:41<HoopyCat>CrunchyChewie: looks good to me
22:43<HoopyCat>CrunchyChewie: http://p.linode.com/3941 <--- a trace, starting from the root
22:44<Talman>Good evening, #Linode.
22:45<Talman>I am pleased that if I cook every item in my dinner myself, I can have good food that is not 3000mg in sodium.
22:45<Talman>I made a spaghetti sauce, for example, with 20 mg of sodium.
22:45<CrunchyChewie>Hoopycat: thanks for looking
22:46*Defenestrator ads 3g of pure elemental Sodium to Talman's food and steps waaaay back
22:46*Talman retains water, possibly killing him.
22:47<CrunchyChewie>Talman: kind of sad though, looking at grocery bills it is actually more expensive to eat healthy
22:47<Defenestrator>elemental sodium :P not so much retaining water as "fiery spaghetti sauce explosion"
22:47<Talman>Yes, yes it is.
22:47<HoopyCat>Talman: nod... i've lost about 50 pounds since i got married to an unamerican
22:47<CrunchyChewie>not even organic
22:47<Talman>>.> Ok, I missed the elemental part. :(
22:47<CrunchyChewie>I mean
22:47<Defenestrator>Eh, it's not terrible cost-wise if you're willing to work around what's on sale and in season
22:48<Talman>I need to lose some weight, but I'm mainly just need to decreate water in my orgams.
22:48<Talman>organs.
22:48<CrunchyChewie>I cant tell you how much time of my life has been used up looking for food that isn't stuffed with HFC
22:48<CrunchyChewie>*HFCS
22:48<Talman>HFCS isn't one of my worries.
22:48<Talman>Sodium is. What annoys me is is that cheese and milk is high in salt. :(
22:50<HoopyCat>Talman: eat smaller amounts of excellent food. quality > quantity.
22:50<Talman>Indeed.
22:50<Talman>I already do that. That's how I had fettucini alfredo.
22:50<HoopyCat>Talman: <3
22:50<Talman>Saori's all "I'm not a fan of cream sauces." I AM. :)
22:51<Tiven>hey guys, anyone know any good freeware file recovery program?
22:53<HoopyCat>Tiven: what platform and circumstance?
22:53<Tiven>ah, sorry forgot
22:53<Tiven>windows
22:54<CrunchyChewie>Talman: well, if Darwin is correct, in a few thousand generations, humans will evolve an extra organ to digest preservatives
22:54<randallman>and those that dont will die
22:54<randallman>... :)
22:54<randallman>That's probably the flip side of darwinism that doesnt get talked about much :)
22:54<Talman>I have a health condition, CrunchyChewie. :) Normally I could process food fine, including preservatives.
22:54<HoopyCat>Tiven: how'd the file go away?
22:54<Talman>Its just that our concept of "food preseratives" and "fast food" is to dump 100 metric tons of salt into EVERYTHING.
22:54<CrunchyChewie>Tiven
22:55<randallman>in darwin's world, I'd be dead because my asthma would have resulted in natural selection :-)
22:55<CrunchyChewie>Tiven: which ver of Windows
22:55<Talman>There's salt in our fucking drinks.
22:55<randallman>Talman, aint that something?
22:55<Talman>What kind of idiot puts over 100mg of sodium in lemonade?
22:55<CrunchyChewie>Talman: I agree, in the quantities it is in food right, horrible for you
22:55<randallman>Talman, and to think that the word Salary is actually derived from salt...
22:55<CrunchyChewie>*right now
22:55<randallman>the Romans had such a scarsity of salt...
22:55<Tiven>HoopyCat music files in a directory suddenly are gone.. im suspecting some human hand :p
22:55<Talman>I'll spend the salt, not consume it. :)
22:55<randallman>that it was essentially currency.
22:55<Tiven>CrunchyChewie windows 7
22:56<Talman>Tiven: Check Recycle Bin, and where your library is pointing?
22:56<CrunchyChewie>Tiven: is it on a volume with system protection enabled?
22:56<Tiven>Talman checked already
22:56<Tiven>CrunchyChewie let me check
22:56<HoopyCat>Talman: salt is potent stuff, culinarily speaking. i can tell when it's missing from a batch of cookies. it's also pretty important for bread.
22:57<Talman>Indeed it is.
22:57<Talman>I'm getting used to salt, but my chicken I had tonight was missing it.
22:57<CrunchyChewie>Tiven: I *think* if it is on a volume that has system protection, you might be able to restore from shadow copies
22:57<Tiven>no CrunchyChewie i have it disabled for every drive except the windows installation one
22:57<CrunchyChewie>d'oh
22:57<Talman>Things like Mrs. Dash try to make up for it by putting hot peppers and lemon on the item.
22:58<Talman>I need to buy a vial of tobasco sauce too.
22:58<Talman>Like, my scrambled eggs. I normally salt them, but tobasco works fine too.
22:59<Talman>When I was in the hospital, my breakfast was usually "scrambled egg substitute." I asked nutritiion for tobasco sauce. They didn't have any, but sent me extra Mrs. Dash.
22:59<HoopyCat>Talman: nod, tabasco++
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23:01<CrunchyChewie>ah tabasco
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23:01<CrunchyChewie>I am the only heat junkie in my family so our food is tame
23:02<CrunchyChewie>there was a pub in Mi. where I wanted to try some wings that were so hot one my fiancee's cousins had hallucinations from eating them
23:02<CrunchyChewie>sadly it closed down
23:03<CrunchyChewie>the owner said he did the "10 wing challenge" 3 times but had to stop because it gave him colon cancer
23:04<HoopyCat>on a scale of 1 to "two fat ladies" i'm pretty close to riding around in a sidecar, so i can't really give any specific cooking advice, but i can say that the brain is both extremely adept at detecting trickery and very prone to distraction
23:04<HoopyCat>spicy food is, certainly, very distracting :-)
23:05<Talman>What kind of pepper was he using if it gave him colon cancer.
23:05<Tiven>guys, i used this one http://ntfsundelete.com
23:05<Tiven>and it worked
23:05<Talman>Good.
23:05<Tiven>:D
23:06<CrunchyChewie>Talman: I imagine ghost pepper extract
23:06<Tiven>turns out someone deleted the folder >_>
23:06<Tiven>and i think i know who it is
23:06<CrunchyChewie>or they used Dave's 3am sauce
23:06<Tiven>payback time :D
23:06<Talman>I'm afraid that my cooking is simply "I watch Alton Brown"
23:06<Talman>Tiven: Password and encrypt your user folder. End of problems.
23:06<Tiven>well Talman, it wouldnt help much when friends come over :p
23:06<Tiven>and thats what happened
23:06<Talman>Why wouldn't it?
23:07<Talman>Log out, let them use the guest account.
23:07<CrunchyChewie>yea pass/encrypt files is not very strong if the credentials are tied to user account
23:07<Tiven>oh well
23:07<Talman>Only I use my account. Anyone else uses guest.
23:07<Talman>Pass/encrypt in Windows 7 is useful if you lock/logout when not near it.
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23:07<Tiven>i were already using the account and then i went afk for a few minutes
23:07<Talman>If someone's rebooting ot Linux to delete your files, you have a serious physical security problem.
23:08<Tiven>thats when it happened i guess
23:08<Tiven>but yeah i should make a user just to use when im not around
23:08<Talman>My PC locks itself after 2 minutes of inactiviy.
23:08<Tiven>and just lock the damn thing
23:08<Talman>Win-L baby.
23:08<Talman>I get up, I hit it.
23:08<Talman>Bathroom, drink, food, anything.
23:08<CrunchyChewie>Tiven: you can use GPO to change the behavior of UAC to require credentials when something like that occurs
23:08<HoopyCat>!twss
23:08<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
23:08<Talman>Its habit
23:08<Tiven>GPO?
23:09<Talman>Group Policy Editor
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23:09<CrunchyChewie>Tiven: Group Policy Object
23:09<Talman>Er, yeah... :)
23:09<CrunchyChewie>well
23:09<Talman>Live on a cruise ship.
23:09<CrunchyChewie>we were both right
23:09<Tiven>when deleting files for example?
23:09<CrunchyChewie>well
23:09<CrunchyChewie>hmm
23:09<CrunchyChewie>you can change the nature of the elevation prompt
23:09<Talman>For my linux netbook, I had the bluetooth program that would lock X when my phone moved 1 foot from my PC.
23:09<CrunchyChewie>so that it locks the desktop
23:10<CrunchyChewie>and requires password to continue with the action
23:10<CrunchyChewie>however I dont know if it classifies what happened to you in way that it would kick the UAC on
23:10<Talman>It wasn't so much that people would walk off with your PC, it was that they might look at it and poke it.
23:11<Tiven>what if something happens and the installation or the user fails?
23:11<Tiven>i mean, to the encrypted files
23:11<Tiven>can i recover them ?
23:11<CrunchyChewie>well
23:11<CrunchyChewie>you can set up a DRA
23:11<CrunchyChewie>can't remember if that applies for EFS or just for Bitlocker
23:12<CrunchyChewie>DRA=Recovery Agent
23:12<CrunchyChewie>user/object that has credentials for all encrypted objects
23:12<CrunchyChewie>which Windows 7 you on/
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23:14<CrunchyChewie>sorry if you answered that already
23:14<CrunchyChewie>Tiven: which version of Windows 7
23:14<Talman>Mmm, Ultimate.
23:14<CrunchyChewie>he is on Ultimate?
23:16<Tiven>sorry mate was away
23:16<Tiven>yes ultimate
23:17<CrunchyChewie>oh ok
23:17<CrunchyChewie>well then you have access to everything that is in Windows 7 Enterprise
23:17<CrunchyChewie>incl. Bitlocker etc....
23:17<Tiven>yep
23:17<HoopyCat>Talman: ooh. what's the name of said bluetooth program?
23:17<Tiven>im using bitlocker to some passwords files i have, etc
23:18<Talman>I'm not sure, I found it in Ubuntu's repo.
23:18<Talman>btlock o r something.
23:18<HoopyCat>blueproximity - locks/unlocks your desktop tracking a bluetooth device
23:18<Talman>That's it!
23:18<HoopyCat>Talman: <3
23:18<Talman>Its tricky, but I got the sensitivity to go low wnough that if I moved, it locked.
23:18<Talman>Someone walked of with my laptop, a friend, in the crew mess.
23:19<Talman>"Huh? It locked!"
23:19<Talman>Yes, yes it did. Now get me some ice cream from the dispenser, AND MY NETBOOK.
23:19<CrunchyChewie>Tiven: your best bet appears to be EFS
23:19<Tiven>yeah
23:19<Tiven>should i just lock all drives?
23:20<CrunchyChewie>hmm
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23:23<Tiven>CrunchyChewie Manage file encryption certificates ?
23:23<Tiven>i used this one and i created a certificate
23:23<Tiven>now its updating certificate for already encrypted files
23:23<CrunchyChewie>hmm
23:23<CrunchyChewie>that is credential manager
23:24<CrunchyChewie>they would need to be on the system as a seperate user
23:24<CrunchyChewie>looked up UAC
23:24<CrunchyChewie>not sure it would flag for deleting a folder
23:24<Tiven>i edited permissions for that drive
23:24<Tiven>to test it
23:24<Tiven>it should allow everything like it was but only for my user now
23:25<Tiven>every other user should only read,execute,list,etc
23:25<CrunchyChewie>ok
23:25<CrunchyChewie>if you are doing separate user accounts then a combo of EFS and NTFS permissions should do the trick
23:25<Tiven>hmm i see
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23:27<CrunchyChewie>Tiven: if you want a centralized console for managing that kind of stuff(GPO), type "secpol" without the quotes in the Start menu search bar
23:28<Tiven>secpol didnt work
23:28<Tiven>do u mean security policy?
23:28<CrunchyChewie>yea sorry
23:28<Tiven>ah ok
23:28<CrunchyChewie>secpol.msc
23:28<Tiven>ah right
23:31<CrunchyChewie>now I have a question: when I start NGINX it gives me a duplicate mimetype error, is that an issue or ignorable?
23:31<HoopyCat>Talman: hee hee, the scan-channels-on-device button sends my phone into a crash loop
23:32<thegodlikehobo>CrunchyChewie: you may want to check mime.types in your nginx conf directory
23:33<thegodlikehobo>and any "types" directives in site configs.
23:34<Tiven>hmm maybe your mimetype list has duplicate(s)
23:34<CrunchyChewie>mime.types does not seem to have dupes
23:35<HoopyCat>Talman: ha! this is awesome.
23:36<HoopyCat>"Watch this. *puts computer in wife's office, then walks away*" "Hang on, the screensaver just kicked in." "*walks back in* wut?"
23:36<CrunchyChewie>thegodlikehobo: in what files would I find the directives
23:37<@mikegrb>lolz
23:37<Tiven>lol HoopyCat
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23:37<thegodlikehobo>CrunchyChewie: nginx.conf, vhost configs, etc
23:37<Tiven>so it locks when u go out of range?
23:37<CrunchyChewie>thegodlikehobo: not the same as gzip types right
23:38<HoopyCat>Tiven: yup
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23:39<CrunchyChewie>tarting nginx: [warn]: duplicate MIME type "text/html" in /usr/local/nginx/conf/nginx.conf:21
23:39<CrunchyChewie>nginx.
23:39<CrunchyChewie>that is the error message
23:39<thegodlikehobo>do you have text/html listed under a gzip type?
23:39<CrunchyChewie>yes
23:39<thegodlikehobo>you can remove it, text/html is always included
23:40<CrunchyChewie>well that fixed it
23:40<CrunchyChewie>thxthanks!
23:40<thegodlikehobo>no problem
23:40<CrunchyChewie>now I have another one
23:40<HoopyCat>Tiven: and unlocks when i come back into range :-)
23:41<CrunchyChewie>I get a 403 when I go to my second domain
23:41<Tiven>hahahaha
23:41<Tiven>thats awesome
23:41<CrunchyChewie>I get the proper phpinfo() when I go to my first one
23:41<Tiven>im gonna try and find something for windows
23:42<Tiven>http://btprox.sourceforge.net/
23:42<Tiven>hmmm
23:46<CrunchyChewie>thats weird
23:46<CrunchyChewie>how do I drill down on a 403 error?
23:46<CrunchyChewie><< n00b
23:48<CrunchyChewie>oh wait
23:48<CrunchyChewie>this could be lolzr
23:49<Tiven>ok this is pretty awesome :D
23:50<Tiven>but ummm
23:50<Tiven>stupid iphone :(
23:50<Tiven>it randomly dissapears and reappears
23:50<@mikegrb>lolz
23:50<Tiven>lol
23:51<CrunchyChewie>the solution
23:51<CrunchyChewie>to my 403
23:52<CrunchyChewie>is that there was no index.php file in the directory
23:54<Tiven>:o
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