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---Logopened Wed Jun 16 00:00:29 2010
00:00<ericoc>hay it's today, linode suprise announcement time now please?
00:00<tom_>chesty: oops, here is the new one:
00:01<chesty>tom_: ls -l /usr/sbin/sshd
00:03<tom_>chesty: hmm, not found in the sbin directory
00:03<chesty>oh dear
00:04<chesty>someone has fat fingered a rm command? ;)
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00:04<chesty>as root!
00:04<amitz>Talman: yes, I will build a hospital!
00:04<tom_>i have not used the rm command on this linode.
00:04<amitz>I'll charge you less. 3,500 dollars.
00:05<chesty>tom_: oh, sorry, i read it as sbin directory was missing
00:05<chesty>um, apt-get install openssh-server
00:05<tom_>no, the sbin directory exists, but there is no sshd
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00:06<Talman>I do need to note, they took off 17k for being uninsured.
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00:08<tom_>chesty: weird - aptitude says openssh-server is not installed. but if it is not, how was it working before? I ssh'd into the server several times from different computers before it quit working.
00:09<chesty>tom_: you have to read aptitude's output carefully, sometime when you install one thing, it uninstalls another thing. but I don't know how it became uninstalled in your case
00:10<tom_>yeah, good point. maybe it did that.
00:10<amitz>Talman: what do you mean, you have to pay the 17k from your own pocket?
00:10<Talman>32k - 17k = what I have to pay. (15k)
00:10<Talman>But I'm applying for state run insurance tomorrow.
00:10<linbot>New news from forums: artist's website.. software suggestions? in General Discussion <>
00:11<tom_>chesty: well, reinstalling it definitely helped with my problem ;)
00:11<tom_>thank you all very much for your help!
00:13<tom_>good night
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00:17<Thorrr>is it possible to donwload one of the backup disc images, i suppose if not i could figure out a method on my own.. but thought i would ask that first
00:18<pparadis>it is not possible at this time
00:18<Thorrr>bah i figured, since i couldnt find a link hehe
00:19<pparadis>!library copy disk ssh
00:19<linbot>pparadis: 1. Copying a Disk to a Separate Linode Account ( - 2. Copying a Disk Image Over SSH ( - 3. Using SSHFS on Linux and MacOS X (
00:23<Thorrr>thanks thats more or less what i was looking to do
00:27<draginxx>bah we should be able to download our back ups...may be throttle it to like once per linode per day/24hours
00:28<draginxx>if the image is DVD size u should have a "Send a DVD to Me" option too ;x jk
00:29<HoopyCat>psandin: what'd i do now? :-)
00:30<@psandin>there was some spam on one of your wiki's you found it first
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00:31<HoopyCat>psandin: !
00:31<HoopyCat>psandin: i remember nothing of the sort. :-)
00:32<@psandin>well somebody took care of it, if you figure out who they are tell them I said they were awesome :)
00:32<Keith>So our pal the Hoopy one had spam? How sad! LOL
00:32<HoopyCat>psandin: link me?
00:33<@psandin>I'm at home now, hold on
00:34<@psandin>yeah nobody home:
00:34<HoopyCat>psandin: ..?! that has never been there
00:34<@psandin>well then they were the least competent spammers ever
00:35<@psandin>somebody was using that url in a message that got reported as spam
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00:35*HoopyCat checks The Logs
00:35<Keith>I am curious about Linode's stack scripts. DO the only work with Linodes? or is there a way to make those same scripts, say for things like Ubuntu with an ext3 filesystem work if you have a personal machine and want to quickly run something? Or can the scripts only be used on a Linode?
00:36<Keith>I'm curious.
00:36<@psandin>They're mostly bash, other than the UDF parts for the UI you should be able to run them on any linux machine
00:37<Keith>Not suer what that is.
00:37<@psandin>the markup used for the input fields shown when deplying from a script
00:37<Keith>erm ah
00:38<HoopyCat>SIGNS IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY: You're looking through the access log and find a hit with an obviously-faked user-agent. You think "ha, that's kinda funny, i wonder who did that"... then you notice the IP address is from your IRC client's link-o-title-snarfer
00:39<Battousai>thats less funny
00:39<HoopyCat>psandin: yeah, i think they're just incompetent. didn't even get that many click-thrus.
00:40<@psandin>ok, well your still awesome
00:41<HoopyCat>psandin: if it makes me feel more humble, i did just figure out tonight how they handle overtime for clerks working the 1530 to 2400 shift
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00:42<@psandin>and how is that?
00:44<Talman>I'm just glad i got my 40 dollar BP meter to work
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00:46<HoopyCat>psandin: since it's not possible to work more than 8 hours when you start at 1530, no overtime shall ensue :-)
00:47<@psandin>even if you don't stop working until 0100?
00:47<pparadis>people stop working?!!?
00:47<@psandin>wouldn't the 0000-0100 period be counted as over time
00:47<@psandin>no everyone works for Linode pparadis
00:48<Talman>that's a myth.
00:48<HoopyCat>psandin: D-308s have no provision for dayspanning, so the 0000-0100 period would be counted as your first hour of work the following day
00:49<@psandin>well you would get overtime, just not until the next day
00:49<@psandin>unless it was friday => saturday and you just don't get paid?
00:49<HoopyCat>psandin: yes, and then it'd be Somebody Else's Problem. :-) in reality, we just went over by 15 minutes, so we'll just eat really slow
00:51<HoopyCat>psandin: D-308 daily work records are processed daily; i don't actually know what the pay period is, but we're a 17x7 operation, so the day of the week doesn't matter as much as you'd think
00:53<@psandin>well the lack of weekends kinda shoots a hole in the hole I thought I found
00:54<@psandin>sup dawg
00:54<HoopyCat>psandin: well, i don't work saturday/sunday, but if this happened on a friday night, hello 0.25 hours on saturday ;-)
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00:58<HoopyCat>psandin: actually, i do think i see what you're getting at there... not the 8 hours limit but the 40 hours limit. hmmm
00:59<@psandin>ah government work
00:59<HoopyCat>psandin: the people of the united states of america hired me to handle paperwork, and i will not let them down!
01:00<@psandin>the only time I found my self in goverment employ was doing data entry, not a lot of room for over time there
01:00*psandin salute HoopyCat
01:00<@psandin>make us proud
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01:03<HoopyCat>psandin: field interview -> enumerator -> crew leader -> receiving clerk -> auditing clerk (that's me!) -> runner -> scanning clerk -> runner -> shipping clerk -> fedex guy... i aim for my paperwork output to be about 105% of my paperwork input
01:03<@psandin>that's quite the goal
01:04<@psandin>that's 5% value added for the American people?
01:05<@psandin>do you some times have delusions of being Hermes Conrad?
01:05<HoopyCat>psandin: well, 0.001% of that is timesheets and 4.999% of that is "SEX IS REQUIRED TO PROCESS EQ"
01:06<bob2>new futurama in 8 days. that is all.
01:07<HoopyCat>psandin: this is kinda my dream job, actually. i aspire to be the guy two tables over who operates the motorized three-hole punch, but i will probably plateau as the guy who prints 2,800 pages of reports
01:08<HoopyCat>psandin: i would also like to note that i am actually wearing -- i am not making this up, i can provide witnesses -- a pocket protector
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01:09<@psandin>You're living the dream, I'd criticize your dream, execept mine leaves me sharing an office with pparadis so not much room for throwing rocks in my little glass hut
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01:18<HoopyCat>and whatever you do, avoid the Problem Box
01:18<@psandin>that sounds like sound advice even withou context
01:19<@psandin>t, this one letter got lost
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01:20<purrdeta>HoopyCat: thats a sexy dream
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01:22<HoopyCat>i work behind three RESTRICTED AREA signs, each of which is more restrictive than the last. we speak in TLAs. our job is to count every single person in a six-county area. what's not to love?
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01:22-!-ryankan1 is "Ryan" on #linode #
01:23<@psandin>well when you put it that way
01:23<HoopyCat>aside from the hours, the pay, the fact that we got the "as you've all noticed, things have been slowing down, and as you all know, your appointment is temporary" speech on my second day...
01:24<@psandin>that's a bit of a downer
01:24<kyhwana>whats this big announcement?
01:24<@psandin>you'll have to wait for caker to wake up
01:24<Battousai>let's all file tickets
01:25<HoopyCat>psandin: you know, i'm just there because it brings in more money than sitting at home all night. doubly so if you consider we can get by with 8 hours less HVAC
01:25<kyhwana>how soon till he wakes up?
01:25<@psandin>I'm not even sure he's gone to bed
01:25<Battousai>i'm pretty sure mikegrb goes to his bed with an air horn every morning around 3am
01:25<@psandin>well the 8 hours less AC really seals the deal
01:26<@psandin>it's my desk, and it's about 10:30, keeps me on my toes
01:26<HoopyCat>and before anyone asks: no, i cannot look up his home address so you all can go jump up and down on his bed at 6am like seven-year-olds on christmas morning
01:26<@psandin>wrong county, right?
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01:28<HoopyCat>psandin: among other things, yes
01:28<@psandin>oh come on, this is /important/ you can set aside rules and personal ethics for it
01:28<HoopyCat>psandin: FPMITA != dream home
01:29<HoopyCat>psandin: FPMITAP != dream home
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01:33<HoopyCat>it'll be available April 1, 2082, on the United American Federation's Department of Intraplanetary Commerce's Economics and Statistics Administration's Humanoid Census Bureau's Historic Records Management Office gopher site
01:34<@psandin>it's all so futurey except for the gopher part, where did the internet go so wrong in your distopian future?
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01:35<HoopyCat>psandin: during the war with europe; HTTP, and other foreign-developed protocols, shall be abolished, leaving us with only american-made protocols
01:35<encode>psandin: it's due to the lag on interplanetary connections
01:36<bob2>no more archie :(
01:38<HoopyCat>psandin: we of course dominate the world by 2082, as europe got stuck having to bodge together an internet with the OSI-based IP replacement and we got to keep deering's IPv6
01:39<@psandin>a 7 layer stack is clearly superior, someday we'll see
01:40<@psandin>and about that IPv6 deployment
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01:41<HoopyCat>psandin: it'll happen much faster once word gets out that NAT was a plot by denmark
01:41<HoopyCat>RFC 1631, look it up
01:41<@psandin>that's just too crazy not to be true
01:42<amitz>Talman: ah... that's steep.
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01:50<HoopyCat>afk, sleep
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01:53<kyhwana>hrr, fail isp v4 international
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02:29<WoodWork_>What time is it in New Jersey? (Absecon)
02:30<Kos>2:29am Wednesday (EDT) - Time in New Jersey, United States of America
02:30*Kos googled "time in new jersey"
02:30<bob2>happy birthday!
02:31<encode> TIME reply from caker: Wed Jun 16 02:31:32 2010
02:31<encode>close enough
02:32<WoodWork_>Ahh rhanks guys.
02:32<mdcollins>Happy Birthday Linode!
02:32<WoodWork_>Happy bday.
02:40<encode>i don't think it's quite 7 years yet. Pretty sure linode wasn't born at 2 in the morning
02:40<MarkJ>Did it have a late birth?
02:40<MarkJ>How long was caker in labour for?
02:41<MarkJ>I'm guessing you didn't want to picture that...
02:42<encode>i'm sure he laboured for many days to birth linode
02:42<MarkJ>Probably more like months
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02:58<jackson_>jed or caker, either of you around?
03:18<amitz>...iphone 4 has svarovski crystal..
03:21<tanto>wordpress 3.0 is supposed to come out today
03:22<amitz>oh wait, that's custom made.nm.
03:22<azaghal>amitz: iPhoneKillsPeople
03:22<amitz>azaghal: i'm not surprised.
03:25<WoodWork_>Have a good day everyone. I'm off - laters.
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04:05<xinming>What is expiration date mean in linode sign up form?
04:07<Santo>er date when their service will expire unless you renew it methinks
04:09<xinming>So, It's kind of pay term?
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04:27<rascal999>I've been waiting ~40 hours for DNS to update to Linode nameservers, I'm thinking I may have configured something incorrectly, I've changed the nameservers from the dash which I purchased the domain from to Linode nameservers, what else do I need to do?
04:28<Obs_>rascal999: what's the domain?
04:29<rascal999>whois says nameservers haven't changed yet
04:29<Obs_>Then you need to contact your registrar, who did you register it with?
04:30<rascal999>Obs_: pipedns is the registrar, but the domain was purchased through a shared hosting company, justhost
04:30<nisstyre56>contact the registrar first
04:31<Obs_>The registrar is a reseller of enom, whatever software they use to notify enom of changes might be broken
04:34<rascal999>Obs_: you think I should contact enom?
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04:34<Obs_>No contact justhost
04:35<rascal999>yeah doing it. First person I spoke to was like, whaaaat?
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04:42<pi_>hmmmm so what's the linode 7th anniversary special?
04:43<MarkJ>What to do with that extra thousand dollars...
04:43<pi_>for the 2048MB package? :)
04:44<MarkJ>Don't you mean the 14400mb package?
04:44<Obs_>everyone gets a box of cookies in the shape of a linode
04:45<nisstyre56>where are my cookies?
04:45<Obs_>I just hope they're choc chip!
04:45<nisstyre56>shouldn't they be in the shape of a penguin?
04:45<nisstyre56>considering the name
04:46<rascal999>how long should a dns transfer take, a couple hours? What I don't understand is how linode addresses ( are instant compared to domain transfer
04:46<nisstyre56>rascal999: 24 hrs
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04:47<rascal999>nisstyre56: ok
04:48<Obs_>It depends on how long the entries are cached for by ISPs in general 24-48 hours is a good rule, if you've an ISP that obeys caching rules and you set the ttl to something low then it'll take minutes.
04:48<rascal999>so it's not incorrect setup on linode side (maybe I configured dns manager incorrectly?)
04:48<Obs_>rascal999: did you get the nameservers updated at your registrar?
04:49<rascal999>Obs_: whois shows nameservers haven't changed to linode's, and I updated nameserver's on registrar's side ~40 hours ago
04:49<linbot>New news from forums: msmtp working in SSH but not on php site in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
04:49<Obs_>rascal999: so what did the registrar's support say?
04:50<rascal999>Obs_: I've submitted a ticket to justhost
04:50<Obs_>rascal999: then you just have to wait.
04:52<rascal999> - it does say 48hr wait
04:53<xinming>Just deploied
04:53<Obs_>well there you go, wait a little longer.
04:53<xinming>just deployed.
04:53<xinming>any linode user from china?
05:17<amitz>at least 1 ;-)
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05:21<amitz>bummer, linode should use xkcd policy, setting a launch to the earlies hour possible...
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05:23<amitz>spacehobo: oh, it was said that linode has a suprise for us for their 7th anniversary today.
05:25<amitz>oh, xkcd lainchest the comic on the 00 hours of the local time every mwf
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05:25<amitz>i have this feeling that the're talking about a new dc..
05:26<amitz>for the author i suppose.
05:30<xinming>amitz: No suprise is the suprise. :-)
05:32<chesty>the surprise is a little red packet
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05:35<xinming>It seems I'm choosing the wrong data center. >_<
05:35<xinming>Here, my upload speed is only 1.4KB, How is that possible. >_<
05:35<xinming>sometime, It reached 14KB/s
05:36<Obs_>xinming: what data centre and where are you?
05:36<xinming>Freblabla... I've forgotten.
05:36<xinming>hold on
05:37<xinming>Now it seems ok.
05:38<megatron27>shit, the namecheap coupon code expired
05:38<megatron27>would've saved 70 cents :-)
05:38<MarkJ>Did you break your CC limit with that extra expense? :p
05:39<Obs_>lol I just used google maps to see how far it is from Fremont to China and it says for directions "13. Kayak across the Pacific Ocean"
05:39<megatron27>that's a lot of money man
05:39<megatron27>if you renewed your domain for several thousands years :-)
05:39<xinming>Obs_: Many chinese are moving their web sites abroad.
05:40<megatron27>IIRC, that's an SEO practice
05:40<Obs_>Ah but are they migrating via kayak?
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05:42<megatron27>hmmm, whois protection isn't free
05:43<megatron27>shit, 2.88
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05:45<megatron27>worth it :-?
05:47<MarkJ>IMO I think I prefer to see that I definitely own it when doing a whois...
05:48<MarkJ>Really there's nothing stopping the registrar taking over a protected domain they like...
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05:54*nate *cough*godaddy*cough*
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06:00<amitz>but he is still slave to his hometown local time ;-)
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06:02<hisam>i cant see the line number in vim on my linode, how to enable it ??
06:03<amitz>megatron27: forgot to ask, the typical marriage there usually invite how many people?
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06:05<MarkJ>hisam: set nu
06:05<MarkJ>or nonu to turn off
06:05<hisam>how to do that ??
06:06<MarkJ>:set nu
06:06<MarkJ>Escape from edit mode first of course
06:06<hisam>ok got that
06:07<hisam>but on my local its on the right bottom side like "9,50 All". here every line is numbered on the left side.
06:07<hisam>a bit weird
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06:08<MarkJ>oh that's the current cursor position, yeah that's always ion the bottom right
06:09<hisam>but i cant see it on my linode
06:09<hisam>thats what i really wanted
06:09<MarkJ>that's a different issue then
06:10<MarkJ>what terminal are you using? Are you sure you're seeing the whole terminal window?
06:10<hisam>yup, i'm
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06:12<MarkJ>sounds like something's wrong, but no idea why you wouldn't see it
06:12<MarkJ>can you see the status line at all?
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06:19<hisam>i can see insert on the left bottom side
06:36<amitz>have you exit and reenter vim?
06:37<amitz>never mind
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06:53<xinming>anyone here uses centos-64bit + tmux user?
06:53<xinming>I can use tmux as normal user at home.
06:54<xinming>But not on linode.
06:56<xinming>SpaceHobo: Do you know what will cause the error which is like "create session failed: : No such file or directory"?
06:58<xinming>SpaceHobo: How to test it?
06:58<bob2>do you have /dev/pts
06:58<xinming>SpaceHobo: it works fine as root.
06:58<xinming>hold on
06:58<bob2>do you have messed up perms on /dev/pts
06:59<A-KO>Apple and AT&T already burned through their first week's stock of iphones on pre-orders
06:59<bob2>and "it works as root" is a pretty important thing to include in your initial question
07:00<xinming>bob2: Ok, sorry, But /dev/pts is empty
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07:02<xinming>SpaceHobo: Nope, It's vanilla installation from linode
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07:03<xinming>I think so.
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07:03<xinming>hold on
07:05<xinming>N 3
07:05<xinming>THe output is N 3
07:05<xinming>I think It seems right.
07:05<xinming>I believe it's because It's minimal installation of centos 5.5
07:07<xinming>I think It's the problem is because the vanilla installation from linode is broken. :-P
07:10<xinming>SpaceHobo: It's fixed, After we mount /dev/pts manually, It's fixed.
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07:11<xinming>SpaceHobo: well, I believe that fstab missed the entry to mount /dev/pts
07:11<xinming>SpaceHobo: My testing server here has lines to mount /dev/pts
07:11<xinming>SpaceHobo: centos needs it to be there.
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07:15<linbot>New news from wiki: Gentoo <>
07:15<xinming>I'll test it now
07:19*Clorith patiently folds his hands and waits
07:19<Clorith>I'm watiting for the big announcement
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07:21<xinming>We do need a pts mount line in /etc/fstab
07:27<linbot>New news from wiki: Gentoo <>
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07:33<linbot>New news from wiki: Gentoo <>
07:33<LinodeJavaUser>anyone here got an opinion on drupal?
07:34<LinodeJavaUser>i have inherited a bif drupal project, and come to the conclusion its the biggest pile of poo in the universe!!!
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07:40<xinming>SpaceHobo: perl'er or python'er?
07:40<xinming>SpaceHobo: A PHP-Java hater here too. :-)
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07:42<TimothyA1>PHP isn't *all* bad :|
07:44<amitz>Java isn't *all* bad :|
07:45<amitz>by our powers combined, TimothyA1, amitz, Captain Planet!
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08:02<linbot>New news from forums: Php GD library in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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08:17<ofus>"There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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08:19<linbot>New news from wiki: Gentoo <>
08:23<amitz>interesting, I don't know PHP is considered slow without zend framework
08:24<JshWright>So when's the big announcement?
08:25<linbot>New news from wiki: Gentoo <>
08:25<JshWright>My theory: caker will be using his new-found flying skills to fly himself around the world, to personally thank all Linode customers
08:25<ofus>w/o zend framework or w/o some form of PHP Cache?
08:25<ofus>or sarcasm
08:26<ofus>I can't tell sleep === false
08:26<amitz>not sarcasm. I'm reading the google result of "why is php bad".
08:26<ofus>anything legit?
08:27<amitz>not really..
08:27<ofus>that still applies to php 5.3
08:28<amitz>I guess namespace is legit.
08:28<ofus>+ late static bindings
08:29<amitz>well, late static binding, if I have to guess its meaning, is also a problem that faces all iinterpreters? orI'm wrong?
08:30<ofus>I'm only familiar with late static binding problems with php before 5.2, don't know about other languages
08:31<ofus>but now it works so wooo
08:31<amitz>oh, then about php not fully thread safe and bad recursion support.
08:32<ofus>also this
08:32<amitz>others are more of the consequences of its low barrier to entry and popularity.
08:32<ofus>IMHO that was a big problem with PHP 4.1
08:33<amitz>is that link...uh... sarcasm? nobody bothers with php6 anymore? ;-)
08:33<ofus>but with 5.x all the dumb crap is removed
08:33<ofus>no srsly
08:34<ofus>php 6 got sliced up, some became part of 5.3.x, some went into a development trunk that no one will give a version number to because of nerd wars
08:34<amitz>I see "There are n o user contrubuted notes for this page."...
08:35<ofus>The future!
08:35<amitz>oh yeah, and the complain that commercial motives make default php bad, or somethiing along those lines
08:36<ofus>yeah so zend can sell zend server/accellerator
08:36<ofus>but APC is free
08:37<amitz>is it any good?
08:38<ofus>yes IMO
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09:02<Clorith>Anyone here happen to use Mac?
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09:02<JshWright>well yes, I just so happen to use a Mac from time to time
09:02<JshWright>small world, eh?
09:02<Gurpartap>I do
09:03<JshWright>woah! no way!
09:03<Gurpartap>And a Mac Mini server XD
09:04<Clorith>Well, I have one that won't download mail
09:04<Clorith>using Mail v2.1.3
09:04<Gurpartap>Behind Proxy?
09:04<Clorith>it'll send mail just fine, but it just won't downlaod them
09:04<Clorith>direct access to web
09:05<spkitty>mail is terrible
09:05<Clorith>Got any alternatives?
09:05<spkitty>and occasionally bugs out like that
09:05<spkitty>tried restarting?
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09:05<Clorith>yes, many times
09:05<Gurpartap>Mail is fine when it works.
09:05<spkitty>there's no real alternatives to mail
09:05<spkitty>there's a few based on thunderbird
09:05<Gurpartap>well, thunderbird
09:05<spkitty>but i like thunderbird even less :v
09:06<Gurpartap>haha, XUL POS
09:06<spkitty>yeah based on thunderbird
09:06<spkitty>there's one in development
09:06<spkitty>actually, 2
09:06<Gurpartap>Clorith: Just get to configure it properly :S
09:06<spkitty>but they both disappeared off the radar a few months back
09:06<Clorith>I have
09:06<Clorith>many times
09:06<spkitty>so god knows what happened to them
09:08<Clorith>I'll test thunderbird just to have my ass covered that it's Mail being gay
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09:11<Karrde>using "gay" as an insult is a little childish.
09:12<Gurpartap>gays dont use gay as an insult
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09:12<Gurpartap>oh i'm pointing to no one :)
09:12*Gurpartap closes eyes
09:13<TheFirst>Karrde: maybe he was trying to say Mail was being unusually happy?
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09:23<MTecknology>:( I can't ssh into my linode
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09:23<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled.
09:23<MTecknology>Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). <- this is sad
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09:24<MTecknology>JshWright: I'm in there - just don't know what's broken
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09:39<Clorith>Well, thunderbird fetches mail just fine with the same settings
09:39<Clorith>so I'm gonna go on a hunch and say "Mail is crap"
09:40<TheFirst>it sure is ... always bills and junk!
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09:52<Talman>GOod morning Linode.
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09:53<Clorith>Morning Tal
09:54<Talman>Trying to figure out what AT&T plan is good for my business.
09:54<Talman>Especially after i start adding phones in a few months.
09:54<JshWright>Talman: none of them
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09:54<Talman>Sprint sucks ass, we're moving away from them.
09:54<JshWright>Verizon is the only business option
09:55<Talman>Verizon seems to nickle and dime you.
09:55<Talman>Also, did they ever figure out how to let me use data and talk on the phone at the same time?
09:56<JshWright>Talman: right... cause you really do that often...
09:56<maristgeek>why do people need to use their phone as anything but a phone when on a call?
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09:56<JshWright>Has AT&T finally figured out how to make a network that doesn't suck?
09:56<Talman>Works fine in this market.
09:56<Talman>I wouldn't take it anywhere near New York, of course, or the south.
09:57<JshWright>Sprint won't "let" you use voice and data concurrently either, they use the same network technology as Verizon
09:57<Talman>No, they won't, and its worse than that, its Nextel.
09:58<Talman>We're down to one phone on a Nextel, and Sprint is like, "Oh, that's nice, enjoy your nextel service."
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09:58<JshWright>iDEN... ewww...
09:58<Talman>ALthough, Verizon has the phone I want.
09:58<Talman>Ever use iDEN data? :)
09:58<Talman>I won't even tether with it.
09:59<JshWright>heh, no, I've never had to use iDEN for anythin
09:59*Talman is on AT&T and Verizon's site, we'll see who's cheaper.
10:00<Solver>Telco is an ancient sanscrit word that means "we're going to nick and dime you"
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10:00<Talman>See, I consider AT&T because I used to have AT&T for personal use. All through Alaska, all through Minneapolis/Twin Cities, and then through most of the Memphis area.
10:00<Talman>AT&T started bombing out hard in Memphis. Nextel wasn't my choice, if I wanted a radio, I'd have a MotoTurbo radio.
10:01<Talman>Um, that makes no sense.
10:03<Talman>No. :)
10:04<Talman>I have no need of Corporate Data Plan, it looks like, that seems to turn on Exchange support.
10:05<Talman>Well, that shaves off 10 bucks off my Sprint plan.
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10:10<xinming>In linode, Is monthly transfer 150G for vps 540?
10:10<xinming>Isn't it 300G?
10:10<xinming>But In saw It's "Transfer/Mo 150 GB" in linode dash board
10:11<stan_theman>xinming: did you recently purchase the Linode? transfer is pro-rated from when you sign up. The 300GB will be available to your Linode on July 1st
10:12<xinming>Oh, Got it, thanks.
10:12<xinming>stan_theman: I bought it today.
10:12<stan_theman>xinming: no problem :)
10:14<Clorith>Enjoy your new node =)
10:16<linbot>New news from forums: Ubuntu 10.04 image did not have bash-completion in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
10:16<Talman>ENJOY LINODE.
10:17*Clorith pokes the caker
10:17<Clorith>is it tomorrow yet?
10:18<Tiven>i know the big surprise Clorith
10:18<Clorith>do tell!
10:19<Talman>Remind me. If someone is transfering a domain away from my registrar, I have to provide them with the authorization code on my side, right?
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10:19<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:19<Clorith>is caker gonna pop out of the birthday cake in a tight little thing? :D
10:19<Clorith>Talman: yes, on regular domains controlled by ICANN
10:20<Talman>ty, these are .coms
10:20<Clorith>But special domains (such as .no .as etc) have their own procedures
10:21<linbot>New news from forums: disk IO is going insane in Performance and Tuning <>
10:22<aalcorn>my heart is pounding. when do we get this big announcement?
10:24*HedgeMage peeks in
10:24<HedgeMage>aalcorn: We already did...everyone knows but you.
10:24<HedgeMage>aalcorn: And we're not telling.
10:24<aalcorn>you bastards!
10:26<aalcorn>i'm hoping it's native ipv6
10:26<Guspaz>It sure was a big surprise.
10:26<Guspaz>Everybody was really shocked.
10:26<TheFirst>aalcorn: i am NOT fish poo!
10:28<HoopyCat>burstable memory, unlimited* bandwidth, five free IPs with each VPS's, and free cpanel
10:29<aalcorn>cpanel? ewww...
10:29<HoopyCat>oh, and the distro wizard is simplified: fedora 7, 64-bit
10:29<TheFirst>aalcorn: don't worry...only your nodes will be forced to use it ;)
10:29<HedgeMage>aalcorn: Nah...they're buying me a harem consisting solely of hot male geeks age 20-35 prepared to comment my code and do household chores when not servicing me personally :P
10:29<aalcorn>well, that doesn't seem quite fair.
10:29<HedgeMage>They like me best.
10:31<TheFirst>i'll comment your code...the next person to look at code and said comments may look at you funny and run away, though
10:32<HedgeMage>TheFirst: Please send applications and photographs to
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10:33<JshWright>TheFirst: are you a hot male geek age 20-35?
10:33<TheFirst>JshWright: well the a/c is turned off so it is pretty hot :P
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10:33<aalcorn>wtf, i just tried to apply and it bounced back... your mail servers must be down.
10:33<JshWright>I only meet 3/4 of the criteria, so I won't bother applying
10:34<Talman>ANd how much a month, Hoopycat :)
10:34<TheFirst>oh how disturbing this channel has become over the years
10:35<HoopyCat>Talman: at the dollar a day level, you'll be a vital part of supporting this station, and as our thank-you gift to you, we'll send you this coffee mug
10:35<Talman>I see.
10:36<HedgeMage>TheFirst: it wasn't already disturbing?
10:37<HoopyCat>FULL DISCLOSURE: i am male, between 20-35, undisputably a geek, referred to as "hot" by some people, i got my name on by commenting code, my #3 job title is "househusband", and i have certification to service many makes and models of human
10:38<JshWright>HoopyCat: hot? I dunno... maybe you're just not my type, but I don't see it...
10:39<HoopyCat>i'll have to refer you to my supervisor
10:39<TheFirst>HedgeMage: depends on what time period you compare it against
10:40<JshWright>FULL DISCLOSURE: I have, at times, been within 10 miles of HoopyCat
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10:41<TheFirst>JshWright: i bet the psych bills after said close encounters were quite expensive
10:41<JshWright>you have no idea...
10:41*HedgeMage chuckles
10:41<TheFirst>and in this case that ignorance is bliss ;)
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10:44<aalcorn>just reading the blog. "Linode sponsors SELF"... how nice of them.
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10:44<TheFirst>Signed ELF?
10:44<Solver>I sponsored myself to talk up CN tower in Toronto
10:44<Solver>I put it in my wife's name
10:44<Nivex>SouthEast LinuxFest
10:44<Solver>if I had paid the entry fee I could have done the walk
10:44<Solver>but if I got sponsored I got the t-shirt
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10:45<aalcorn>is anybody getting a HE IPv6 t-shirt?
10:45<Nivex>I haven't made it to sage yet :(
10:45*Nivex mumbles something about IPv6 glue
10:45<TheFirst>nor I, nor do I particularly care to
10:46<HoopyCat>Nivex: the only reason i have a domain with godaddy, alas
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10:48<HoopyCat>aalcorn: should be in the post any day now, just as soon as the post can handle IPv6
10:48<aalcorn>i think IPv6 can be tunneled over RFC1149
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10:49<Solver>aalcorn: oh I'm sure it can :)
10:49<HedgeMage>aalcorn: avian carrier FTW!
10:49<Solver>RFC 1149 was implemented a few years ago
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10:50*DephNet[Paul] wonders what the big news will be today
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10:50<Solver>a German carrier pigeon club and a German LUG pinged over avian carrier protocol
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10:51<aalcorn>DephNet[Paul]: caker is going to rip out all the cat5 and replace everything with flash drive carrying pigeons
10:51<aalcorn>i'm pretty sure
10:52<JshWright>given the density of modern flash media, I suspect you could acheive a decent bandwith using that technique
10:52<Solver>don't underestimate the bandwidth of a flock of pigeons driving down the highway
10:52<Talman>"You will provide the database files and all files for the new site to us."
10:52<@jed>flash drives are old school, we're going all the way to memory cores
10:52<JshWright>letency would suck, obviously...
10:52<@jed>JshWright: good guess, well done
10:52<Talman>Yes, random web hosting company, I'll get right on that. Please read
10:52<hawk>JshWright: Yeah, large window sizes would be necessary
10:53<aalcorn>no joke. i saw a truck full of birdseed on 195 south heading towards absecon.
10:54<HoopyCat>a second aldis lamp for dallas' internet pipe
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10:55<Talman>My packets could be subject to predation!
10:55<Talman>What if a hawk or something gets in the datacenter. :(
10:56<HoopyCat>Talman: you think that's bad? imagine what'll happen with bittorrent seeders
10:56<smed>195 South?
11:00<linbot>New news from wiki: Gentoo <>
11:01<aalcorn>smed: yeah, hugs the eastern seaboard
11:01<JshWright>you mean I95, not 195, right?
11:02<Talman>I only deal with I 94. :(
11:02<Talman>What's on I-95?
11:02<amitz>'m usually not this obsessed but what's the big news? -_-
11:02<JshWright>195 is an east/west running spur off 95
11:02<HedgeMage>amitz: you're always obsessed
11:02<Talman>I'm usually not relevant to the conversation but I do wonder what the news is.
11:02<daevien>big news: caker's buying a new mansion cause he's so rich
11:02<Talman>They bought out slicehost?
11:03<aalcorn>Talman: yup, sorry.
11:03<Guspaz>You're always relevant, Talman.
11:03<amitz>HedgeMage: I'm usually the object of people's obsession. :-p
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11:03<HoopyCat>amitz: gotta say, caker's got it down to a science. say "we've got a big announcement coming tomorrow", then sit back and be entertained by everyone's guesses
11:03<amitz>for example, obsession to kill, obession to torture :-p
11:03<JshWright>then pick the best guess and implement that one
11:03<JshWright>(very quickly)
11:05<amitz>HoopyCat: yes, I feel like I'm a well trained pavlovian dog now :-p
11:05<aalcorn>ewww, saliva
11:05<amitz>JshWright: implements ipv6, kthxbye!
11:06<daevien>alt big news theory: jed fled the country with all the money, they have to shut down now :p
11:06<amitz>aalcorn: somehows that sounds very perverted :-p
11:06<@jed>daevien: SHHHHH
11:06<amitz>kill the extra 's'.
11:06<daevien>actually, it's prob upgrading the pipe, he mentioned about it th eother day soon goign to 10g :p
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11:07<daevien>jed: you didn't share the % you promised to me so i spilled th ebeans :p
11:07<pparadis>daevien: urmom upgraded my pipe
11:07<smed>aalcorn, - your serious?
11:07<aalcorn>about what?
11:07<emry>A quick question for Ubuntu users on Linode, is it safe to do a distupgrade from 9.04 to 10.04? :P Is my mysql likely to get hozed if I do?
11:07<aalcorn>what about my serious?
11:07<pparadis>why so serious?
11:07<smed>oh - I think you mean I-95
11:07<smed>as in "Interstate 95""
11:08<daevien>emry: theres a library article with all th esteps needed
11:08<Talman>Ha ha. They said "email us the website." So, I'm emailing them the website, a 691 MB file.
11:08<emry>daevien, Thanks. :)
11:08<pparadis>!library upgrade ubuntu 10.04
11:08<smed>vs. 195, which is also a major East/West thoroughfare in Jersey
11:08<daevien>if you just distup, you will b ehosed and have to fix stuff
11:08<linbot>pparadis: 1. Host Email with Postfix, Dovecot and MySQL on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) ( - 2. Send-only Mail Server with Exim on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) ( - 3. How to Upgrade to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) (
11:08<aalcorn>smed: this has been discussed. read above.
11:08<Edgeman>Talman: email us teh codez
11:09<smed>I see - sorry missed that...
11:09<Talman>whut codez. Its all HTML
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11:10<HoopyCat>emry: i believe it's do-release-upgrade, and you'll need to go through 9.10 first. also see link #3 above
11:10<Guspaz>With Ubuntu, you don't upgrade between releases with apt-get or aptitude. There's an app for that.
11:11<Talman>Thunderbird isn't even handling the file.
11:11<Talman>dropbox go.
11:12<Edgeman>i thought it was all copyright
11:12<Edgeman>or are you just sending the publicly accessible files
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11:12<aalcorn>why not archive everything, host it somewhere and email a link?
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11:12<HoopyCat>Edgeman: i'm assuming it's talman's customer's website
11:13<Talman>Its a customer's website, and that's a better idea.
11:13<Talman>Except that the old website isn't on the server.
11:13<Talman>Its on my PC.
11:13<Talman>Could sftp it up, I guess.
11:13<Edgeman>[16 10:52:20 am] <Talman> "You will provide the database files and all files for the new site to us."
11:13<Edgeman>[16 10:52:39 am] <Talman> Yes, random web hosting company, I'll get right on that. Please read
11:14<Talman>The content they can have.
11:14<HoopyCat>ok, that makes more sense now
11:14<pparadis>wget --recursive <-- have a nice day
11:14<aalcorn>anybody ever do business with
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11:15<Talman>They cannot have the joomla framework, the paid template, etn't make that.
11:15<Talman> the old website as well, we didn't make that.
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11:19<someone1050>aalcorn: uses VPS.Net for cloud servers
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11:20<aalcorn>someone1050: my customer is in the market for a beefy dedicated server with a fast connection and lots of transfer
11:20<aalcorn>they seem to be a good deal for that
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11:23<darkside_>ha, that place is about 15mins away from me
11:23<Talman|Ghosting>I'm sorry.
11:23-!-Talman is now known as Guest194
11:23-!-Talman|Ghosting is now known as Talman
11:23<Talman>I am now Talman.
11:23<someone1050>aalcorn: they are part of UK2 group which sells dedicated servers and VPS servers in UK
11:24<Talman>Then again, I'm currently drinking from an Alarys cup.
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11:24<darkside_>the waitstaff uniform is the good part. =P
11:25*amitz 's interest piqued.
11:25<Talman>I'm pretty meh about the waittresses.
11:25<Talman>After you have to sort through 4 thousand pictures of em, you become kinda desensitized.
11:26<darkside_>i bet
11:26<Talman>200 pictures of a girl tilting her head slightly to the right.
11:26<aalcorn>their floor must be crooked.
11:26<Talman>No, they just have no photographer on staff.
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11:26<Guspaz>100tb has decent reviews on WHT, but I doubt anybody here has any firsthand experience with them, since their target market is so different from linode.
11:26<Talman>Go to the site, click on staff, you'll see what I mean.
11:27<aalcorn>Guspaz: fair enough
11:27<Guspaz>Their dedicated servers are hosted in softlayer's datacenter(s), which themselves were formed, IIRC, by a bunch of people who left ThePlanet.
11:28<aalcorn>hahaha, poor rich and rob.
11:28<Guspaz>Softlayer has a very good reputation in terms of network/datacenter quality, AFAIK.
11:28*caker prefers hardlayer
11:28<@caker>woah, there actually is one
11:28<Pryon>so does urmom
11:29<Talman>... is one what.
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11:29<DephNet[Paul]>caker, when you making this "big announcement" :P
11:29<Guspaz>As for the comment about them using, they're part of the same company.
11:29<@tasaro>what is the answer to life the universe and everything?
11:29<Guspaz>But what is the question?
11:29<DephNet[Paul]>Guspaz, how many guys have slept with urmom
11:29<@jed>What's the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
11:30<Nivex>jed: What do you mean, African or European?
11:30<Guspaz>African or European?
11:30<@jed>Damn, he's good.
11:30<Nivex>That's what she said.
11:30<Guspaz>DephNet[Paul]: how many moms have slept with urmom?
11:31<@jed>haha, gotcha
11:31<DephNet[Paul]>Guspaz, I dont care about anyones sex life, apart from my own ;)
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11:31<Pryon>DephNet[Paul]: and perhaps one other person?
11:31<Pryon>Or is this a solo act?
11:32<Guspaz>DephNet[Paul]: In which case, urmom's opinion has special relevance.
11:32<DephNet[Paul]>Pryon, I'm single at the moment :(
11:33<Pryon>More time for starcraft
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11:33<DephNet[Paul]>i hate Starcraft
11:33<Talman>Starcraft is awesome.
11:33<DephNet[Paul]>i dont play many games
11:34<Talman>So, wait, Rock Band WILL teach me to play a real guitar!? Suck it, trebek.
11:36<n00bwork>random question, but does anyone know how to make pine show the local time zone instead of sender time in the "Date:" field of emails?
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11:37<Talman>I haven't used pine in 15 years, sorry.
11:37<Pryon>n00bwork: on incoming mails? I don't think it works that way
11:37<@tychoish>mutt = the win
11:38<Talman>used mutt.
11:38<n00bwork>i like pine :p
11:38<trolloca1st>yes use mutt
11:38<trolloca1st>with imap patches tho
11:38<Guspaz>Talman: So it would seem. The demo video has the thing plugged into an amp so the audience can hear the sound produced by the guitar while he's playing.
11:38<Guspaz>It's not clear to me, though, if it's still made of plastic.
11:38<Pryon>I think that guy already knew how to play
11:38<pparadis><-- uses alpine
11:38<Guspaz>Certainly, it would appear that he does.
11:38<JshWright>I win!
11:38<JshWright>(with a little help...)
11:39<darkside_>nice increase. linode ftw!
11:39<@jed>JshWright wins an Internet
11:39<n00bwork>brb rebooting
11:39<Pryon>yeah, time to rebooty
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11:39<Talman>So, do I get some RAMs?
11:40<reillyeon>It's all a trick to ruin our uptimes.
11:40<Guspaz>Yikes, that's one spicy RAM increase.
11:40<daevien>caker: just had to crush slicehost's hopes & dreams a bit more? ;)
11:40<Talman>I just jumped to 768... awesome.
11:40*HedgeMage peeks in
11:40<Karrde>13:48:50 < Karrde> it's double the RAM isn't it!?
11:40<Karrde>13:50:09 < bd_> Karrde: Not exciting enough
11:40<Karrde>called it yesterday
11:40*jed refreshes the job queue for a couple hours
11:41<Karrde>(bd is[Ch ard to please)
11:41<linbot>New news from blog: Linode Turns 7, BIG RAM Increase <>
11:41<Karrde>ew, what happened there
11:41<Edgeman>reboot times
11:41<Karrde>(bd is hard to please)
11:41<darkside_>well, that convinces me. consolidate my backup vps at another company to linode (in a diff DC). good work linode :)
11:41<daevien>linbot = fail
11:41<thegodlikehobo>i love you, caker
11:41<amitz>oow, thanks linode!
11:42<Talman>linbot tries
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11:42<HedgeMage>Not *quite* as good as a geek harem, but I imagine a RAM increase scales better ;)
11:42<HedgeMage>Thanks, guys.
11:42<KingTarquin>^^^ Guess they're getting more rams
11:42<@jed>HedgeMage: :>
11:42<Edgeman>I bet it would be amusing to watch the logs of mass system reboots
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11:43<Yaakov>More RAM is nice, I suppose. I don't know what I will do with it, though...
11:43<Guspaz>Noes, my dream of having less RAM has been spoiled!
11:43<literal>the RAM column for the 1536 linode says "1537" :P
11:43<thegodlikehobo>wow, all plans increased. biggest now is a 20GB.
11:43<Talman>Can't reboot yet, in the middle of an scp
11:43<aalcorn>i'll probably use it to store digital information.
11:43<Edgeman>I'm going to use the new ram to enable virus scanning on ym incoming email
11:43<Edgeman>I didn't have enough ram for that before :(
11:43<Talman>Run more concurrent processes of apache!
11:43<darkside_>also an excuse to upgrade the kernel, yay
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11:44<bss>this is all a trick to get us to reboot our linodes
11:44<aalcorn>while i'm about to reboot: is there any reason to use latest paravirt vs latest stable?
11:44<aalcorn>i'm not using any special kernel features
11:44<Karrde> says a "Linode 1536" has 1537MB RAM :O
11:44<JshWright>aalcorn: if you switch to latest paravirt, be sure to run ntp
11:44<Karrde>I'm late
11:44<HedgeMage>I'll reboot tonight...don't want to give my clients downtime in the middle of the day
11:44<Guspaz>latest stable doesn't work very well with recent distros, because the kernel is ancient.
11:44<aalcorn>i see.
11:44<Guspaz>latest paravirt is a more recent kernel.
11:44<aalcorn>cool, thanks.
11:44<pparadis>Guspaz: s/very well/at all/ ;)
11:44<JshWright> upvote to pimp linode
11:44<Guspaz>Sure, sure :P
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11:45<Talman>I usually make a twitter announcement first.
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11:45<bss>jed: admit it, this is a trick to get us to reboot our linodes
11:45<@jed>yeah, everybody's uptime was too high for our comfort
11:45<bss>i new it
11:46<amitz>if I don't see you soon, then I screw up. Please make this work...
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11:46<Talman>Also, I drank the koolaid.
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11:46<Talman>For Verizon up here, its a minimum of 110 dollars for a basic phone with data.
11:46<Talman>AT&T is only 80.
11:46<Nivex>how about t-mobile?
11:47-!-thegodlikehobo [] has quit [Quit: Mirab, with sails unfurled.]
11:47<Talman>I don't like t-mobile.
11:47*Nivex is becoming increasingly displeased with AT&T
11:47<linbot>jed: [twitter] We're celebrating our 7th birthday with a BIG RAM increase on all plans. Thank you to all our customers!
11:47<Talman>They were good to me in my area, and I don't travel out of it anymore.
11:47<Talman>So, I got an ophone.
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11:48<Talman>3GS. The 4.0 thing doesn't really interest me.
11:48<aalcorn>i want an ophone
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11:48<Talman>ophone is probably real, and some kind of orange device.
11:48-!-eric is now known as ericoc
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11:50<Guspaz>For my 3GS, I'm paying $30 for 6GB data/tethering, $10 for visual voicemail and such things, and $40 for 2000 anytime minutes.
11:50<Guspaz>For $80 total
11:50<Guspaz>Before GST/PST/e911 fee/etc.
11:50<n00bwork>Mem: 1019008
11:51<Talman>Hmm, Canadian mans.. I get VV for free, but AT&T only allows 2 GB.
11:51<Talman>I don't really plan to go over 2 GB a month.
11:52<ericoc>google voice visual voicemail and transcription on android for free!
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11:52<Talman>Yeah, but all the android phones are expensive as hell.
11:52<ericoc>the iphone isn't?
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11:52<Talman>Its 100 bucks.
11:52<ericoc>the htc droid eris is ~$100
11:52<ericoc>i think
11:53<Talman>Isn't that the old droid?
11:53<ericoc>so is the moto droid with a new 2yr contract
11:53<Talman>The one with the ancient OS?
11:53<Talman>With who, though? Verizon?
11:53<ericoc>i think it got 2.0
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11:53<ang>holy crap. thanks for the extra RAM linode :)
11:53<Talman>Yeah, Verizon wants 110 to START for a phone.
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11:54<Talman>I would of gotten the Saga, but ffs, I already pay Sprint 120 a month for a plan "they decided our company should have."
11:54<ericoc>the data plan for smartphones on verizon is $30/mo
11:54<Guspaz>Talman: The 6GB for $30 was a special promotion that Fido/Rogers rolled out for the 3G launch, and then for the 3GS launch (the 2G never launched in Canada). Normally, $30 gets you 1GB, not 6GB.
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11:54<Guspaz>If I want to shrink my Linode's disk image, and I need to shut it off, is there a proper way to do that? Or just disable lassie and shut down?
11:54<Yaakov>I'll get a new iPhone as soon as I have a choice besides AT&T.
11:55<@caker>Guspaz: lassie doesn't jump in if you use our shutdown button
11:55<Nivex>Guspaz: If you shut down from the manager, you do not need to disable lassie
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11:55<Talman>See, that[s the thing. AT&T never screwed me.
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11:55<Talman>Nextel is a joke. I push my PTT button, and 1 out of 5 times, I get the "can't hit the tower" error ring
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11:56<Talman>I think telemetry on satellites from the 70s is faster than iden.
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11:56<Guspaz>I hear that AT&T has horrible throughput on their network, though. We've not had any of those issues here (at least in Montreal), although I suspect the fact that there was never an unlimited data plan might have something to do with it.
11:56<Yaakov>iDen is a spectacular technology. Really amazing stuff. Sounds like your buildout is crappy.
11:57<Talman>Yaakov: iDEN is awesome. MotoTurbo radios are wonderful.
11:57<Talman>Nextel went to shit after Sprint decided to put Boost on it.
11:57<Talman>I used to have a public safety i355 radio.
11:57<randallman>Yee Haw, M0ar memory
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11:57<Talman>I had a red button that would knock every one off the tower.
11:57<Yaakov>I have some MotoTurbo handhelds, and we are just about to stand up a TEAM pilot in this building.
11:58<Talman>My statement was that if we need radios, get mototurbo, but the owner wanted to port his cell phone
11:58<Guspaz>Our convention is upgrading from FRS/GMRS radios to moto UHF commercial radios this year.
11:58<Yaakov>Talman: Check out TEAM.
11:58<Talman>He's now off the company plan and on AT&T. I checked Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T corporate plans.
11:58<Guspaz>The FRS/GMRS just wasn't giving us the range/reception we needed.
11:58<Talman>Oh, that's the thing, this company won't need radios for at least 6 months to a year.
11:58<Talman>What's TEAM?
11:59<Guspaz>The problem is, I'm not sure if upgrading our radios will actually improve our range at all, I think that the problem might not be transmission power or antenna size, but with concrete.
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12:00<erikh>congrats on 7 years guys
12:00<erikh>may there be 7 more
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12:00<Aletheuo>Thank you Linode for the ram upgrade and Happy Birthday!
12:00<Talman>You need repeaters, Guspaz, in the building.
12:00<HoopyCat>i knew i shouldn't have done a preventative reboot last weekend
12:00<Guspaz>FRS/GMRS repeaters are illegal in Canada.
12:00<Talman>I mean for your UHF.
12:00<Guspaz>And we don't know enough about UHF radios to use repeaters.
12:00<Talman>What, you're just buying them, no VAR is going to help you?
12:01<Yaakov>Talman: We have XPR 6500 radios.
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12:01<Guspaz>We're renting from a local company:
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12:01<Talman>Wait, are these radios that work over WLAN?
12:01<chesty>started out on 64megs, now have 512megs. I don't know what to do with all that ram
12:01<Talman>THey should help you get set up with repeaters, Guspaz.
12:01<Guspaz>No, they're Motorola EX500s.
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12:02<Talman>Er, Hoopy.
12:02<Talman>Hoopy has WLAN radios? :)
12:02<Yaakov>Talman: The do VOIP over WiFi and PTT with radio integration.
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12:02<Guspaz>They did suggest some digital ones, but they're outside my budget. I have a $1000 budget, and I'm pressing right up against it.
12:02<Talman>That's cool..
12:02<Guspaz>So I can't afford repeaters this year.
12:02<bencaron>guys, thank you for the Ram upgrade!
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12:02<Guspaz>I need to rent 36 of the radios for 4 days, along with spare batteries and chargers and ear pieces and such things, and they're quoting me $918 for that.
12:03<Yaakov>Talman: So you can do VoIP in and out, and you can PTT one-to-one, one-to-many and to repeaters and trunking systems.
12:03<amitz>hmm quick question. am I better off without swap if my memory is enoough?
12:03<HoopyCat>i have used 802.11b-based SIP phones before... they were big, had bad battery life, and got really warm when used. i felt nostalgic
12:03<qualiad>just rebooted. thanks :)
12:03<Talman>TEAM only works when you have WLAN access, right?
12:03<HoopyCat>amitz: no, you want some swap
12:03<Yaakov>amitz: No.
12:03<Talman>Linux always wants to swap.
12:03<Yaakov>Talman: This version. Next generation will do the whole thing over cellular networks as well.
12:03<Guspaz>If the convention centre had free wifi (they charge $15 per day), wifi radios might work :(
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12:03<Yaakov>Talman: It uses iDEN for the PTT.
12:03<Talman>Yaakov, iDEN 2.0? :)
12:04<Talman>I see.
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12:04<Yaakov>Talman: They have a Droid with PTT they showed us.
12:04<amitz>ah yeah, by default linux won't use the swap unless necessary.
12:04<Talman>I've always liked the idea of WiFi.
12:04<Yaakov>We are working with Motorola on this.
12:04<Yaakov>Oh, and...
12:04<Guspaz>amitz: Yes, it will use swap by default even if it's not necessary.
12:04<Talman>Yeah, Nextel is supposedly getting the Droid.
12:04<Guspaz>amitz: Look up the "swappiness" var
12:04<Talman>But the way Sprint has totally saturated the network, unless you can justify life safety override, pushing that button is a crap shoot.
12:05<Yaakov>Talman: We are getting these, too...
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12:05<Talman>Is that a tiny shoulder mic?
12:05<Talman>That just does group talk?
12:06<Yaakov>It is a WiFi PTT device. It does three talk groups.
12:06<Yaakov>It's a "wearable" PTT device.
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12:06<Talman>And its about as big as a shoulder mic. That's awesome.
12:06<Yaakov>Star Trekish.
12:06<Talman>Its like the shoulder mic without the radio.
12:06<Yaakov>It's smaller.
12:06<Yaakov>It looks a little big in that picture.
12:06<Talman>Last company I was consulting for was gonna get Nextel i355s and shoulder mics.
12:06<Talman>BUT, they needed cellular.
12:06<Guspaz>CTM is giving us shoulder mics for 26 of the radios, but I'm not sure how to use them, since most people will have t-shirts on.
12:07<Guspaz>I requested in-line mics, but they only have 10 :(
12:07<Talman>Clip them to the t-shirt.
12:07<linbot>chesty: Atlanta: 512-90 768-47 1024-20 1536-3 2048-2; Dallas: 512-64 768-3 1024-34 1536-6 2048-5; Fremont: 512-54 768-39 1024-14 1536-4 2048-3; London: 512-53 768-0 1024-30 1536-5 2048-4; Newark: 512-63 768-4 1024-27 1536-8 2048-6; (0.68295) mwalling's mom sez hai
12:07<Yaakov>Guspaz: Surgical implantation.
12:07<Talman>Alternately, they can wrap them around the back of their neck.
12:07<Guspaz>Wouldn't they be too heavy to clip to a t-shirt collar?
12:07<chesty>wow, that was updated quickly
12:07<dKingston>even when it's linode's birthday
12:07<Talman>Depends on the mic.
12:07<dKingston>we should be giving them shit
12:07<dKingston>they give shit to us
12:08*dKingston stares happily at his near 512mb ram
12:08<Talman>Granted, I always wore my shoulder mic on my shoulder eppulette.
12:08<Talman>Or I took it off.
12:08<Guspaz>Yeah, none of our staff will have epaulettes :P
12:08<Yaakov>I tend to wear them up the back and over the shoulder.
12:08<amitz>Guspaz: hmm, I don't want to restart anymore. I guess I leave it like this for now.
12:08<Talman>I wore mine with the cord running up the side, looped under my radio pouch.
12:09<Guspaz>We're an anime con, so unless somebody is cosplaying somebody with epaulettes, they're probably in tshirts :P
12:09<Talman>Or around my magazine case.
12:09<Guspaz>IDEN would be perfect if it didn't cost a fortune.
12:09<Talman>Yeah, in that case, just have em wear their mics on their badge holders.
12:10<Nivex>at SELF all the volunteers had headsets
12:10<Guspaz>Well, the badge holders are thin plastic things on lanyards, so that's a bit far from their mouthes.
12:10<Talman>I ean on the laynard.
12:10<Guspaz>I thought about headsets, but it was suggested that they would just fall off.
12:10<Talman>They'll figure out how to wear them, though.
12:10<Talman>Get some otto in the ears, if you can.
12:10<Talman>The kind "secret agents" wear.
12:10<Talman>OTTO is a brand.
12:10<Guspaz>Oh, yes, CTM wanted us to use those.
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12:10<Nivex>well don't go cheap on the headset then
12:10<Guspaz>No budget.
12:11<smed>wow...that is a really cool birthday gift.
12:11<Talman>Try going to QUartermaster Uniforms.
12:11<Talman>They sell cheap in-line stuff that isn't too terrible, mainly to security companies.
12:11<smed>Thanks Linode staff!
12:11<Guspaz>I've only got $1000 to play with, you see, and even though the only items we're being charged for is the radios ($25) and the spare batteries ($1), I'm at $918
12:12<Talman>How many radios are you getting?
12:12<Guspaz>Problem with buying from Quartermaster Uniforms would likely be shipping costs, tend to be high when buying from outside the country.
12:12<Yaakov>Guspaz: Here's what you need:
12:12<Guspaz>The first place I went to was BearCom for rentals, but their shipping costs were like $300
12:12<amitz>say uh, I'm new to linode here. Will a... ehmm... linode 512 be enough to satisfy my need? :-D
12:12<Talman>No, what they need are the NFR units.
12:13<Talman>I loved that idea, having a shoulder mic that was wireless and nobody could intercept.
12:13<Talman>The 300 a unit price tag wasn't cool.
12:13<Guspaz>Yeah, the whole "anime con" thing means "limited budget" too :P
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12:13<Talman>Guspaz, go to the rental, have em give you one of the radios and shoulder mics in the store.
12:13<Nivex>good, fast, cheap. choose two.
12:14<Guspaz>We're not big (only expecting 7000-7400 people).
12:14<Talman>See if you can wear it by lopping the radio behind your back and clip it to the side or front of your t-shirt.
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12:15<Guspaz>Well, the mics are free regardless, so, I mean, we're getting them, and if they're not usable, then so be it. We never had mics in the past, we just had standard moto earpieces (which are horribly uncomfortable after 16+ hours of wearing them). The problem was that it was inconvenient to unclip the radios to talk.
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12:15<Guspaz>I suspect that if I try to get any fancier, they'll charge us per-unit.
12:16<Talman>I meant the shoulder mic and cord. :)
12:16<Guspaz>Yeah, those too, they're free.
12:16<Talman>I've never minded shoulder mics, but I wore a uniform.
12:16<Talman>Yes, see if they actually work.
12:16<Talman>Or if you'll be removing a bunch of them.
12:17<Guspaz>Removing? Don't you just plug them in?
12:17<Guspaz>If people don't like them at-con, can't I just unplug 'em?
12:17<Talman>Depeds on your radio.
12:17<Talman>Some screw on.
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12:17<Talman>Some are dual jack.
12:17<Talman>Like the ones I had? They screwed onto the side of the unit.
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12:18<linbot>New news from forums: Announcing Linode's new uptime decreaser in Announcements <>
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12:19<Guspaz>Hmm, the rental place is not very accessible via public transit. I might be able to get down on a weekend if they're open...
12:19<@jed>JshWright: karma whore
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12:20<HoopyCat>i'm considering replying to that swap-thrashing guy with "have you tried rebooting?"
12:20<HoopyCat>axod: have you tried rebooting?
12:20<HoopyCat>... actually, i think i'll reply to everything with that today.
12:20<axod>HoopyCat: rebooted 1 so far :) awesome news :D
12:20<axod>just as I was getting low on ram...
12:20<Guspaz>HoopyCat: The one with a million Apache processes?
12:21<karstensrage>so my 540 is now a 768 if I reboot?
12:21<HoopyCat>karstensrage: have you tried rebooting?
12:21<Guspaz>karstensrage: yes.
12:21<karstensrage>not yet
12:21<karstensrage>i dont like restarting my servers
12:21<HoopyCat>karstensrage: ... sorry, just replying to everything with that today :-)
12:21<karstensrage>thats awesome, ill start the process to move my other vps to linode this weekend
12:21<HoopyCat>karstensrage: but yes, your plan continues to be 1.5 standard linode units
12:22<karstensrage>you guys rock
12:22<Talman>I wish my meds didn't give me a headache.
12:22<Guspaz>The downside of this is that it starts the debate in my mind, "Should I downgrade from my former 540 to a new 512, or is the extra bandwidth needed."
12:22<megatron27>wooho, RAM upgrade
12:22*HoopyCat spins up a bunch of EC2 instances to compute the new state of the universe now that caker's constant has changed
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12:23<megatron27>caker's constant?
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12:23<HoopyCat>megatron27: rams per dollar
12:23<ericoc>is "cakers constant" kind of like "pi"
12:24<megatron27>go Switzerland!
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12:24<HoopyCat>megatron27: was 18.874x10^6 this morning, is now 26.844x10^6
12:25<Guspaz>Bytes per dollar?
12:25<HoopyCat>back in my day, caker's constant was 3.355x10^6, and we liked it
12:25<Guspaz>And you liked it more when it went up.
12:25<megatron27>HoopyCat, did you have indoor plumbing back then
12:26<HoopyCat>megatron27: in both datacenters!
12:27<axod>bandwidth is always handy
12:28<HoopyCat>afk, setupping the definite integril that gives teh area of the region
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12:31<atourino>Yo Linode, thanks for ruining my uptime! Oh, and happy birthday!
12:32<atourino>damn linode and their free upgrades... :P
12:32<opello>the annual reboot? :)
12:33<Tiven>i failed on noticing the announcement ^^
12:33<Tiven>happy birthday hohoo
12:33<atourino>opello: indeed
12:33<atourino>i suspect massive reboot orders coming in right now
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12:34<Tiven>thank you linode ^_^ :)
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12:35<atourino><3 Linode
12:35<encode>caker: happy birthday! thanks for the moar ram
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12:36<anders>my poor uptime
12:36<Frools>40% is huge! <3 linode
12:36<Talman>I as to wait about 3 hours before rebooting into more rams.
12:36<@jed>42% :>
12:37<chesty>i want 43%
12:37<atourino>caker was all like: Yo dawg, I heard you like moar ram, so we put moar ram in your ram so you can compute while you compute
12:38<mendel>i can haz ramburger?
12:39<hawk>Ooh, that's awesome... Was there some kind of announcement about this that I missed or has it just been silently rolled out in the systems?
12:39<mendel>hawk: blog
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12:39<ericoc>the "import from a remote nameserver" option in the DNS manager doesn't import AAAA records right
12:39<Frools>not that im going to reboot my personal linode, i dont even need 360mb on that, my uptime backbone!
12:40<linbot>Talman: [twitter] We're celebrating our 7th birthday with a BIG RAM increase on all plans. Thank you to all our customers!
12:40<ericoc>it has one AAAA record for each of the hostnames, but.. the Hostname field is blank on all of them
12:40<Talman>That, hawk.
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12:40<hawk>Talman: Thanks
12:41<chesty>i managed to confuse the api with ipv6 addresses, had to delete and recreate them to fix
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12:44<megatron27>are ram sticks hot swappable
12:44<hawk>megatron27: Normally not
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12:45<hawk>I'm a little amazed that such an upgrade can just be rolled out like that... was there that much headroom on the host machines?
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12:46<amitz>linodes hosts are clouds :-p
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12:47<tanto>linode!!! ++++++
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12:48<megatron27>hawk, yeah, that's what I was wondering
12:49<megatron27>maybe XEN is able to move a VM while it's still running
12:49<aalcorn>cumulus or stratonimbus?
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12:51<HoopyCat>megatron27: hardware has a finite lifetime... as time goes on, newer hardware with more RAM and disk goes into the field and older hardware moves out.
12:52<aalcorn>HoopyCat: is there usually downtime when that happens? or do they do it seamlessly somehow?
12:52<pparadis>and more magic
12:52<chesty>I've never been asked to move hosts in 7 years
12:52<chesty>or had arranged downtime
12:52<megatron27>HoopyCat, ?
12:52<megatron27>so am I right then, they move the VM while it's still running
12:53<reillyeon>Xen does supports live migration but I've never heard mention of it here.
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12:53<HoopyCat>aalcorn: hardware failure does involve downtime, yes. :-) (if the hardware doesn't fail, i assume they bump the max number of linodes on the old hardware down to fit the new stuff)
12:53<HoopyCat>megatron27: no.
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12:54<HoopyCat>reillyeon: live migration involves shared storage, which tends to decrease availability. see also mediatemple
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12:54<chesty>hang on, i think i was required to move once
12:55<Guspaz>I do believe that Rock Band 3 is win merely for including Huey Lewis and the News' "The Power of Love".
12:55<MaZ->my uptime :(
12:55<reillyeon>HoopyCat: Actually VMware can do live migration of storage at the same time. It's obviously slower.
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12:55<KingTarquin>16:55:43 up 1:00, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 << BOOO!
12:55<megatron27>go VMWARE!
12:56<HoopyCat>chesty: there you go
12:56<HoopyCat>reillyeon: nod... xen can do the same thing as well, i believe, but it's probably not worth it in the real world
12:57<MaZ-> 17:56:51 up 6 min, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.20, 0.10 :'(
12:57<MaZ->damn you linode!
12:57<HoopyCat>linux ain't windows; it can handle a reboot
12:57<Guspaz>Xen wins by default because their live migration demo was people playing on a Quake 3 server.
12:57<chesty>i just increased the number of fastcgi processes allowed to run, i don't know what else to do with the ram
12:57<HoopyCat>chesty: CACHE
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12:58<Guspaz>Increasing fastcgi processes == less RAM for cache == potentially lower performance.
12:58<rascal999>do you guys offer cpanel?
12:58<chesty>i increase the upper limit, the lower limit stayed the same
12:58<reillyeon>rascal999: no
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12:58<HoopyCat>rascal999: no, but cpanel does have a VPS license you can buy from them
12:58<aalcorn>rascal999: you can buy and set up cpanel yourself.
12:58<aalcorn>damn you, HoopyCat!
12:58<chesty>but lighty seemed to make the max right off the bat, stoopid software
12:59<amitz>a java company whose site is all flash....
13:00<TheJoe>Better than all Java
13:01<tanto>maz: i just rebooted too
13:01<tanto>i'm not an uptime whore though
13:01<tanto>would you rather have a high uptime and less ram? =)
13:01<megatron27>please respect whores, don't compare them to people who are obsessed about uptime for no reason
13:01<MaZ->derp, anyone know how to emulate perls unpack("%16n*",$whatever) in python? ¬____________¬
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13:02<megatron27>what does %16n do?
13:02<mdcollins>I said it before and i'll say it again.
13:02<@jed>MaZ-: look up the "struct" module
13:02<mdcollins>Happy birthday Linode!
13:03<megatron27>oh yeah, struct
13:03<MaZ->yeah i know struct, doesnt appear to support the %<bit>whatever stuff to produce checksum though
13:03<MaZ->guess i just have to do it manually :(
13:03<@jed>MaZ-: what does %16s do in perl?
13:03<@jed>or whatever you're doing, I didn't look closely when I typed that
13:03<mdcollins>ps, caker and linode ftw!
13:03<atourino>urmom does it manually
13:04<MaZ->jed: "In addition to fields allowed in pack(), you may prefix a field with a %<number> to indicate that you want a <number>-bit checksum of the items instead of the items themselves. Default is a 16-bit checksum. Checksum is calculated by summing numeric values of expanded values (for string fields the sum of ord($char) is taken, for bit fields the sum of zeroes and ones)."
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13:04<@jed>oh, interesting
13:04<@jed>and 16n* is a ...?
13:04<MaZ->(i'm not a perl person, im writing something to generate configs for something and they have a checksum at the top of the file)
13:04<@jed>sorry, n*
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13:05<MaZ->n is unsigned short, big endian
13:05<rascal999>reillyeon: HoopyCat: aalcorn: could you guys recommend any open source alternatives with client login?
13:06<@jed>so perl "n" == python ">H"
13:06<MaZ->"A * for the repeat count uses all characters of the input field. On unpacking, bits are converted to a string of "0" s and "1" s."
13:06<amitz>TheJoe: heh
13:06<@jed>interesting -- yeah, you're doing that manually
13:06<MaZ->so it creates a binary string of the input and sums it i guess
13:06<@jed>could end up being a one-line generator expression
13:06<MaZ->yeah i think im just going code blind, this should be super simple but its just not coming to me ¬_¬ time to go home i think
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13:09<daevien>ugh. someone shoot me already. this day won't end and i just want to go crawl under a rock somewhere
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13:10<jkwood>Twayne: That's obviously exponential, increasing in powers of three.
13:10<daevien>bunch of posts on btw jed & crew about people saying they are going to switch form slicehost now for sure :p
13:10<Twayne>jkwood: never thought of it like that
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13:14<linbot>SelfishMan: Alpine Touchscreen Digital Media Station w/iPod Connection: $199.99
13:15<aalcorn>does linbot do dns lookups?
13:16*mdcollins tests
13:16<linbot>mdcollins: (dns <host|ip>) -- Returns the ip of <host> or the reverse DNS hostname of <ip>.
13:16*daevien fails mdcollins
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13:21<aalcorn>i don't get it.
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13:33<@jed>JshWright: did they edit your headline or did you?
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13:36<aalcorn>alright, i can finally get a linode 1024 to run!
13:37<linbot>SelfishMan: Atlanta: 512-137 768-51 1024-30 1536-12 2048-9; Dallas: 512-166 768-23 1024-62 1536-17 2048-13; Fremont: 512-151 768-47 1024-30 1536-12 2048-9; London: 512-125 768-37 1024-47 1536-11 2048-8; Newark: 512-100 768-58 1024-35 1536-10 2048-8; (0.78330) mwalling's mom sez hai
13:37<linbot>SelfishMan: (0.34636) mwalling's mom sez hai
13:37<SelfishMan>hmm...that needs to be fixed
13:39*linbot slaps HoopyCat
13:43<linbot>SelfishMan: Atlanta: 2; Dallas: 2; Fremont: 3; London: 3; Newark: 9; (0.08925) mwalling's mom sez hai
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13:50<Tiven>hey linux eats my ramzzz
13:50<Tiven>492 instead of 512 :PP
13:50<aalcorn>you must be using imperial rams. linode is on metric
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13:58<xinming>Do I have increated ram for linode?
13:58<jkwood>xinming: Do you have a linode?
13:59<JshWright>jed: I submitted it with the blog post title
13:59<xinming>I need to reboot.
13:59<jkwood>Then the answer is yes.
13:59<@jed>JshWright: they must have edited it, then -- I saw BIG RAM when you submitted it, and it's been changed to Big
13:59<@jed>congrats on the karma, btw
13:59<mdcollins>all the plans got updated
13:59<xinming>I should really by 380 instead of 540. :-P
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14:00<mdcollins>:o 675 linode 512's avail!
14:01<mdcollins>nvm 674
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14:04<xinming>Is it possible to run 2 linode with splited ram size?
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14:04<xinming>Eg, one is 128M, another is 384M
14:05<xinming>I was thinking what is the use for limiting memory size in linode panel.
14:05<Numsgil>Hi everyone. Linode support informed me that my server is/was SSH probing. I've tried using tcpdump, but I don't see anything that looks suspicous. Any ideas how to approach this?
14:06<MaZ->xinming: negatory, 1 linode per "Linode"
14:06<xinming>MaZ-: Then, Why will you implement the feature to limit the ram size?
14:06<jkwood>Numsgil: Look for rogue processes, use chkrootkit.
14:07<jkwood>xinming: Testing purposes, or perhaps for apps that behave badly with too much ram.
14:07<xinming>ok, got it
14:07<Numsgil>so actually I did use chkrootkit. It says my IRC server's port (6667) is INFECTED with bindshell. But I'm not sure if it's a false positive or not. I don't see anything with ps -aux that looks too weird
14:08<xinming>which kernel is prefered?
14:08<xinming> or
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14:08<xinming>what are the the differences?
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14:08<jkwood>Whichever you prefer. Latest stable won't change on you in case of reboot, latest paravirt will.
14:08<jkwood>Well... that's not right, either.
14:09*caker bonks jkwood
14:09<xinming>I mean, linode12 vs linode25. :-)
14:09<jkwood>The @caker!
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14:10<maushu>Yay! More ram!
14:10<xinming>I choose the linode25, As the number is larger.
14:10<jkwood>Numsgil: lsof -i tcp:114
14:10<jkwood>Erm... tcp:6667
14:12<jkwood>That will tell you what's using the port.
14:13<jkwood>If it's, say, /home/pumpernickel/docs/, then you know you have a problem.
14:13<Numsgil>sshd 15124 root 5u IPv4 2833447 TCP>[redacted]:51538 (ESTABLISHED)
14:13<Numsgil>sshd 15124 root 7u IPv4 2830488 TCP localhost:ircu->localhost:55502 (ESTABLISHED)
14:13<Numsgil>sshd 21242 root 5u IPv4 2833447 TCP>[redacted]:51538 (ESTABLISHED)
14:13<Numsgil>sshd 21242 root 7u IPv4 2830488 TCP localhost:ircu->localhost:55502 (ESTABLISHED)
14:13<Numsgil>sshd 25343 root 5u IPv4 2833447 TCP>[redacted]:51538 (ESTABLISHED)
14:13<Numsgil>sshd 25343 root 7u IPv4 2830488 TCP localhost:ircu->localhost:55502 (ESTABLISHED)
14:13<Numsgil>python 30266 root 3u IPv4 2830487 TCP localhost:55502->localhost:ircu (ESTABLISHED)
14:13<Numsgil>I redacted my IP from above. But that's everything. We have a python script that runs with IRC, and I _think_ that's what the python there is
14:13<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
14:14<Numsgil>ah sorry
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14:14<bbeausej>I <3 linode. That is all.
14:14<jkwood>Hmm... ircu, eh?
14:14<bbeausej>happy bday!
14:15<jkwood>You're running an Undernet leaf?
14:15<Numsgil>fairly certain that's unreal IRC
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14:16<Numsgil>actually, restarting the computer I don't see the 'bindshell' INFECTED notice anymore
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14:17<jkwood>Numsgil: You're aware of I hope?
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14:19<Numsgil>Yes, and I think we patched it.
14:19<@jed>ircu is the /etc/services entry for 6667, isn't it?
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14:19<@jed>oh, no, ircd
14:20<Numsgil>I didn't patch it personally, but the grep test they mention and the md5 of the package there seem to check out
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14:20<jkwood>ircu is the name of the Undernet irc server. I believe Unreal uses their own name.
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14:21<amitz>anybody here actually use sqlite3 as production db? Any bad story?
14:23<@jed>amitz: firefox does
14:23<amitz>use or used to use.
14:23<@jed>depending on the application, it does fine
14:23<@jed>it's not going to replace an RDBMS for your next web app, most likely
14:23<Numsgil>hmm, so restarting the irc server lsof -i tcp:6667 now has ircd instead of ircu
14:25<jkwood>I think we found your problem, then.
14:25<Numsgil>yeah, seems like it. I'll disable the IRC server for now and see if I get any more reports
14:26<Numsgil>thanks for the help
14:27<amitz>jed: hmm I'll probably have to learn more about it. thanks.
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14:31<loxs>hi folks. I rebooted my linode and it doesn't connect to any network. Haven't changed anything in configs
14:31<aalcorn>loxs: can you get in over lish?
14:31<loxs>aalcorn, yeah
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14:32<loxs>aalcorn. I don't remember what the interfaces used to be. Now I see sit0, teq10, tun10
14:32<loxs>but none of them seems to be able to connect
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14:32<ofus>sqlite3 is uber fast when you keep it stored in :memory:
14:32<loxs>at least dhcpcd <interface> doesn't seem to help
14:32<aalcorn>did you have your interfaces set in some crazy way before?
14:33<aalcorn>what's in your /etc/network/interfaces
14:33<amitz>I <3 wikipedia. I always ignore the common caveats of checking the citations and that behavior never bites me.. yet :-p
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14:33<loxs>aalcorn, I don't have such a file
14:34<jkwood>loxs: What about ifconfig up <interface), then dhcpcd?
14:35<aalcorn>oops, sorry to make assumtpions.
14:37<loxs>jkwood, doesn't work either
14:37<jkwood>Hmm... interesting.
14:37<jkwood>What's the output of route -n?
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14:39<loxs>jkwood, only one entry UG 0 0 0 lo
14:40<jkwood>I want to say that's the issue, but I only fight networking probelms occasionally, and almost invariably solve them by accident.
14:41<loxs>yeah, same here
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14:51<jdub>please tell me you have reboot charts!
14:51<jdub>happy birthday and THANK YOU! :-)
14:53<jtsage>whoa. finally hit up the google reader. Happy birthday ops :) and THANKS!
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15:08<[1]mysty>Happy birthday!
15:08<ofus>Happy Birthday
15:08<amitz>I propose monthly birthday from now on. ;-)
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15:10<[1]mysty>so I've done a stoopid n00b thing. I've created a file called --exclude and I cant target it to delete/rename/mv it. Im on CentOS, tried "mv *exclude /tmp" "mv \-\-exclude /tmp" etc and I cant get anything but mv: unrecognized option `--exclude'
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15:11<jdub>[1]mysty: rm -- --exclude
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15:11<jdub>[1]mysty: many gnu tools recognise "--" as "end of option parameters"
15:11<saikat>man, just when I was thinking it'd be nice if I could have some more RAM for my redis DB - thanks a ton guys
15:11<saikat>and happy birthday
15:12*[1]mysty takes jdub for a jig
15:12<[1]mysty>it worked! thanks so much
15:12<jforman>[1]mysty: also what would work, rm ./--exclude
15:12<[1]mysty>jdub I never would have thought of that
15:13<[1]mysty>jforman ah, yeah Ive done something like that for executing stuff, but never used it for targeting files
15:13<[1]mysty>thanks all!
15:15<[1]mysty>and thanks Linode for the upgrade!
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15:16<ofus>slicehost just got wtfpwnt
15:16*HedgeMage peeks in
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15:17<daevien>caker lives on the tears of slicehost & other vps "competition" :p
15:18<Deckert>well, from the mouth of the GM at slicehost: "There are not any direct plans to do that at the moment. We have plans for different Slice offerings (as well as improved backups, etc) but no direct plans to, say, increase RAM on an existing package."
15:18<ofus>mmm tears of defeat
15:18<aalcorn>wow, i'm just reading slicehost's site carefully for the first time
15:18<aalcorn>they have terrible copywriting
15:18<ofus>512 slice $38/mo
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15:20*daevien stabs SpaceHobo
15:20<JshWright>slicehost isn't Linode's competition
15:20<JshWright>they were 3 years ago... not so much anymore
15:20<Deckert>not anymore, anyway ;-)
15:20<daevien>JshWright: slice like sto think of themselves as it though :p
15:21<daevien>honestly, it's the reason i can'[t even be bothered to watch world cup for free online
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15:22<daevien>if i was like paying for tv withthat as one of the main things, i'd be pretty annoyed
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15:22<Guspaz>daevien: Reports are that various broadcasters are adding filters to remove the vuvuzelas.
15:22<daevien>lol SpaceHobo
15:22<@jed>Guspaz: it's two notch filters
15:22<@jed>there was a video on lifehacker about it
15:22<daevien>yeah i heard that Guspaz, its prob the only way they will keep viewers
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15:23<Guspaz>jed: Yep, that's what I read (didn't watch the video, being at work), a nice simple solution.
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15:31<pleia2>yummy ram, thanks guys <3 happy birthday!
15:31<JasonF>om nom nom delicious ram
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15:33<warewolf>jed: I think there may be a contention problem on my linode host
15:33<warewolf>jed: should I put in a ticket or can I just point someone at munin graphs?
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15:35<aalcorn>warewolf: disk contention?
15:35<jkwood>Sorry, I was torrenting. Things should calm down any minute now.
15:35<@jed>warewolf: if you're running into trouble, I'd file a ticket and we'll get it sorted out
15:35<warewolf>aalcorn: not sure, my load average skyrockets to ~60 meanwhile my cpu utilization is next to nothing.
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15:38<@caker>warewolf: what kernel are you running?
15:39<warewolf>it's an xen one too
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15:40*warewolf has been going through his munin graphs to try and see if there is anything else in his graphs that correlates with the load average skyrocketing
15:40<@caker>warewolf: if your distro is 2.6.18 compat, mind giving that a run for a week or so?
15:40<warewolf>oh you want me to use an older kernel?
15:40<@caker>just looking to see if it's a bug in recent pv_ops based kernel
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15:41<warewolf>now that I think about it, I ran into big issues when not running a pv_ops kernel
15:41<warewolf>is the .18 one still pvops?
15:41<@caker>no worries
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15:43<dcraig>how do they add ram to everyone's linodes without putting more ram in the machines?
15:43<dcraig>does xen now allow providers to "oversell" ram?
15:43<aalcorn>how do they cram all that RAM?
15:43<bbeausej>its actually swap
15:43<jkwood>the @caker: Did you hand-deliver the new ram by flying there in your private jet?
15:43<warewolf>dcraig: my guess is that they have a lot of spare RAM unpurchased in the hosts
15:43<Guspaz>dcraig: Yes and no. It supports memory ballooning, but that's not completely useful for overselling, IMO.
15:43<@caker>dcraig: planning.
15:44<daevien>caker r smrt
15:44<dcraig>I just discovered about a week ago that virtuozzo/openvz allows providers to oversell ram
15:44<dcraig>so now I'm paranoid ;)
15:44<dcraig>but now caker has reassured me :D
15:44<warewolf>I presume that having a host swap a VM's RAM out to disk, while the VM itself internally does swapping ... would likely be rather sucky.
15:44<dcraig>so now I can go back to lunch
15:44<Guspaz>Yes, yes it would be very sucky.
15:44<jkwood>dcraig: Linode has never oversold resources. It's been common practice at some other, less scrupulous providers.
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15:45<warewolf>linode 4 evar
15:45<Guspaz>My previous host used a SAN. I had some swap. My swap ran over the network :P
15:45<warewolf>linode is the only place that I've ever been a customer where I regularly get stuff for free. More disk space, more ram, etfc.
15:45<warewolf>if linode keeps this up, they'll have a customer for life, if they'll have me :)
15:46<jkwood>The free cupholders, also.
15:46<warewolf>YES! How did they manage to put them in all my computers?!
15:46<Guspaz>Right before I signed up for Linode (a bit over a year ago, I think, for my first one), the rate of upgrades was much higher than after I signed up :P
15:46<jkwood>warewolf: planning.
15:46<JshWright>throw Guspaz overboard!
15:47<jkwood>JshWright: The Jonah option, eh?
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15:49<JshWright>well, technically we should cast lots first, but I left my lots at home, and he admits he's the likely culprit
15:49<Guspaz>When Linode upgrades things, does Caker stand up on a soapbox in the office and make grandiose speeches involving quotes to classic literature? "It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done..."
15:50<warewolf>MY CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN
15:50<jkwood>I like to think they have a themed party where they play stuff like Pin the Tail on Jed.
15:50<deejoe>whee, there are number-of-the-beast linode 512s available now
15:50<JshWright>"Theirs not to make reply, theirs not to question why, theirs but to do and die"
15:50<linbot>Guspaz: Atlanta: 512-136 768-52 1024-30 1536-12 2048-9; Dallas: 512-161 768-22 1024-62 1536-18 2048-14; Fremont: 512-150 768-47 1024-30 1536-12 2048-9; London: 512-123 768-36 1024-47 1536-10 2048-8; Newark: 512-96 768-59 1024-34 1536-10 2048-8; (0.83017) mwalling's mom sez hai
15:51<JshWright>been a while since I've read that poem, I guess
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15:54<mdcollins>Any suggestions on an easy to use irc bouncer?
15:56<Guspaz>GUI FTW.
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15:56<JasonF>gui+noob=shouldn't be on irc :D
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15:57<Guspaz>irssi+1337 shouldn't be on IRC either ;)
15:59<mdcollins>bleh, i would be sticking with xchat, so something that works with it would be nice.
16:00<daevien>znc worked pretty well, i jsut went with irssi + screen now though
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16:10<HIghoS>Awesome :D
16:11<jkwood>Yes, yes I am.
16:11<HIghoS>jkwood: If you were caker, I'd agree.. but no, no ;)
16:12<HIghoS>Plus you could tecnically eat caker in a jam, but you wouldn't taste so good.
16:13*HIghoS patpats jkwood.
16:13<linbot>Twayne: Yo momma's so ugly, she got a tattoo and her doctor said her skin condition was clearing up! (734:3/2) [mormu]
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16:21<Yaakov>caker: PING
16:22<trystan_>hello Linode, I am wondering if anyone could give me a hand. I currently am unable to connect to, as well as one of my nodes. What is odd is that I can access the nodes from outside my network. I have tried flushing my dnscache and that hasn't worked. Does anyone have ideas?
16:23<@jed>trystan_: initial hunch: your network -- can you pastebin an mtr or traceroute to your node and
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16:27<FireSlash`Work>dear caker
16:27<FireSlash`Work>I love you
16:30<trystan_>thanks for any help jed, here is a traceroute for a linode in the same datacenter (dallas) that am I still able to access looks like it is getting stuck at the planet
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16:32<@jed>trystan_: you said you can't access
16:32<@jed>can you trace there?
16:32<trystan_>that is the linode trace
16:36<@jed>trystan_: what's your public IP?
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16:36<jkwood>IT'S A TRAP!
16:38<@jed>trystan_: thank you, I'm opening a ticket with our datacenter to see if they know anything
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16:38<trystan_>I also can't reach
16:38<FireSlash`Work>I've noticed
16:38<FireSlash`Work>Every time I start looking at maybe going somewhere else for a full dedicated
16:38<FireSlash`Work>linode gives me more ram
16:38<trystan_>something else worth noting, I had a friend who uses the same service provider try, and they are having the same issue
16:38<Guspaz>Why doesn't everybody host at Linode :(
16:39<FireSlash`Work>I swear you guys are stalking me or something
16:39<Yaakov>Wow, 180ms to or
16:39<Yaakov>That seems out of line.
16:40<Guspaz>You're out of line.
16:40<@jed>trystan_: for the record, I can get back to you fine
16:40<Yaakov>You're ugly.
16:40<aalcorn>trystan_: traceroute to your public IP dies, testing from the CT educational network
16:40<Clorith> I thank you almighty caker!
16:40<Clorith>Marius is pleased :D
16:40<aalcorn>dies somewhere in shaw cable's network
16:40<@jed>aalcorn: not for me, I get to him from dallas with 10% loss
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16:40<aalcorn>i can give you the log if you want
16:40<Guspaz>Yaakov: So's urmom
16:40<Clorith>now to start the rebooting?
16:40<Yaakov>Guspaz: You are ugly.
16:40<Guspaz>Yaakov: You'll note that my previous statement did not dispute this fact.
16:40<trystan_>aalcorn that would be great
16:40<Guspaz>In fact, quite the opposite.
16:41<Yaakov>Guspaz: Ugliness: it is an attribue of you.
16:41<Guspaz>Yaakov: Indeed, and also urmom.
16:41<Yaakov>Guspaz: Ugly? Yes, you are.
16:41<Guspaz>Yaakov: Urmom? I've seen worse, but not many.
16:42<@jed>trystan_: they've accepted the ticket and they're looking now -- I'll let you know if I hear back soon
16:42<trystan_>fantastic, jed do you work for Linode?
16:42<Yaakov>Guspaz: Ugly is as you do.
16:42<Yaakov>Guspaz: Oh, sorry, cat on keyboard. So, how's things?
16:43<Guspaz>Yaakov: Quite nice, work is almost out. How about yourself?
16:43<@jed>trystan_: yes I do, everyone with @ to the left of their name does
16:43<Yaakov>I am just getting ready to go home. I am well but fatigued.
16:43<Guspaz>I share your sentiment.
16:43<Yaakov>Well, in jed's case, "work" is used loosely.
16:44<Yaakov>He DOES receive a paycheck.
16:44<@jed>Yaakov: did you see the iPhone app? that was like, two minutes of work, at least
16:44<trystan_>interesting, the irc client Collloquy for mac strips out the @
16:44<Guspaz>But he spends a rather large proportion of his time looking at pictures of kittens.
16:44<jkwood>Yaakov: Shall I expect to speak with you in the upcoming event?
16:44<Yaakov>jed: That buggy piece of hackery?
16:44<@jed>yeah, if I had spent three minutes on it, it might be awesome
16:45<Yaakov>jkwood: I will be there, and in all likelyhood, I will speak.
16:45<Yaakov>MUST RUN
16:45<Yaakov>LOVE YOU ALL
16:45<Yaakov>GREAT, HUGE &C
16:46<Guspaz>jed: Speaking of the iPhone app, I have a feature request.
16:47<jkwood>Guspaz: Functionality?
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16:47<Guspaz>On the graphs screen, the graphs only load when you scroll to view them. Example: if you load the graphs screen, keep it there for several minutes, scroll down to the second set, they will only then start loading. This causes some annoyance when trying to review all the graphs for a linode, as you must view/scroll/wait/view/scroll/wait/etc.
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16:47<Guspaz>The request is to load all six graphs as soon as the graphs screen is opened.
16:48<Guspaz>Or preferably, preload them as soon as the linode is selected.
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16:49<FireSlash`Work>I think I had 96mb of ram when I first signed up with linode
16:49<FireSlash`Work>I love you guys <3
16:49<MaZ->what sort of idiot makes a config file that looks like a url encoded query string
16:50<grubby>holy crap, I love this new linode surprise. I forgot to check it out
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16:53*Guspaz is tempted to catch a buss down to Rochester (~6h?) just for the day to try to score a Linode t-shirt. But 12h of travel just for a t-shirt is a tad much :P
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16:59<pparadis>!f llama
16:59<linbot>pparadis: 1. (1)
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17:00<trystan_>jed: looks like I can once again access and my other box
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17:00<@jed>trystan_: understand -- updating the ticket.
17:01<Guspaz>jed: Suggestion received?
17:01<trystan_>I don't know enough about networking to know if this had any impact, but I used a VPN so that I could access the boxes, that worked, I disabled the VPN, and things continued to wokr
17:01<bob2>thx gang
17:02<@jed>Guspaz: yep
17:03<Guspaz>I don't know if it's practical (as in, technical reasons for the current behaviour), but I've found it annoying, so I thought I'd report it.
17:03<@jed>I forget why it does that
17:04<@jed>there was a reason at the time, I just can't recall what it is
17:04<Guspaz>Well, if you could take a look some time, to see if the restriction could be relaxed, that'd be awesome.
17:05<@jed>I agree it's annoying
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17:05<jbw>hi all
17:06<jbw>can I ask some , maybe sales, related linode questions here, please?
17:06<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
17:06<Guspaz>Hmm, that trigger used to be less antagonistic.
17:06<jbw>are there any limitations with how many ip's I can have assigned to a linode machine?
17:07<@caker>you get one, you can add another, any more after that and you need to provide technical justification
17:07<Guspaz>I don't believe so, but keep in mind that each must be justified per ARIN requirements.
17:07<scorche|sh>depends on your justification
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17:07<jbw>it's for SSL hosting so I'm pretty sure that's a good reason
17:08<jbw>where can I find pricing on additional IP's?
17:08<@irgeek>Indeed it is.
17:08<linbot>Available Add-ons: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP: $ 1 per IP/month. To add extras:
17:08<jbw>freakin' awesome
17:08<pparadis>commercial ssl certs are fine, yah. self-signed can use SubjectAltName though.
17:09<@jed>pparadis: you should get an SSL cert for your nickname with nickserv
17:10<@jed>since you seem to never be up here with us :>
17:10<pparadis>funny thing about that
17:10<pparadis>i am identified via SSL
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17:10<Clorith>I shall be back shortly, needs da moar ram <3
17:10<@caker>zomg identify!
17:10-!-mode/#linode [+o pparadis] by ChanServ
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17:11<@jed>pparadis: the badass way is to use a client cert and register the fingerprint with nickserv
17:11<@jed>you ne'er have to identify, it's the win
17:11<@pparadis>that's what i'm doing, can't figure out why i keep getting de-opped :)
17:12<@jed>hint: it involves fail
17:12<@pparadis>i should probably review logs on that :)
17:13<linbot>New news from forums: mysql_secure_installation in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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17:14<Clorith>There we go
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17:14<Clorith>oh come oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon, brb again *sigh*
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17:15<Clorith>much better
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17:16<jdlspeedy_>Linode Staff: Thank you so much for the RAM Increase
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17:21<internat>oh i wuv you guys!
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17:22<Clorith>this is not my day, haha
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17:25<Talman>Sometimes, I get weird questions.
17:25<Tiven>hey Clorith
17:25<Tiven>i told u the suprise would be good
17:25<Talman>Voice Mail: (They seem to wait when I'm in the bahtroom)
17:25<Tiven>and thats why i kept it a secret
17:25<Talman>"I'm wondering how my website is coming?"
17:25<Talman>Milestone 1: Content - We can't begin till you give us content.
17:25-!-Guest240 [~c0a89260@] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:25<Talman>Guess what milestone he's at?
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17:26<Clorith>Tiven: how'd you knwo to begin with? dun dun DUN
17:26<Clorith>since it was so super secret
17:26<Tiven>i kneww
17:27<Talman>He's on 1
17:28<Talman>His website is at a complete standstill till he gets content in.
17:28<Clorith>I lvoe when clients expect you to magically make their content
17:29<Talman>We'll be happy to magically make your content.
17:29<Yaakov>Clorith: You love that?
17:29<Talman>Its 25 cents a word, 100 word minimum per article.
17:29<Yaakov>Clorith: You are weird.
17:29*jtsage would happily pay for conent generation. but it has to say exactly what i want it to, and i'm not telling you anything first :)
17:29<Yaakov>When I was a professional writer, I was paid a dollar a word for 2500 to 4000 word pieces.
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17:30<Clorith>Talman: don't forget the disclaimer!
17:30<Clorith>"Content may or may not give meaning to you, depending on your knowledge of old Latin"
17:30<Clorith>*pastes lipsum*
17:30<Talman>Yaakov: I can't justify to myself paying a dollar a word, I'm not a professional writer.
17:30<Clorith>you've done a lot of fascinating things yaakov
17:31<jbw>thanks folks
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17:31<Yaakov>Clorith: I've done a lot of things. Fascinating? Well... I don't know.
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17:31<Yaakov>Talman: Well, I was in demand. Top tier writers got that rate, sometimes more for short deadlines.
17:31<Talman>Ok... I need to tar up a directory.
17:32<Talman>What's the command? :( tgz is fine.
17:32<Talman>Er, I mean the arguments. I remember how to untar with ease.
17:32<Yaakov>tar -czvf <tarball name>.tgz <target>
17:33<Guspaz>For better compression, replace the "z" with a "j", and change the extention to reflect that it's a bz2 instear of a gz
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17:33<Talman>I don't know if the other side knows what bz2 is.
17:33<Guspaz>*shrug* It's more efficient at the cost of speewd.
17:33<Talman>Yeah, but if they other side can't deal with it, they'll just pitch a fit.
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17:34*pparadis issues Guspaz a citation for speewding
17:34*jkwood issues pparadis a new ssl certificate
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17:37<Yaakov>pparadis: Will your fine ass be at YAPC?
17:38<@pparadis>unfortunately, i will only be there in spirit this year, but i will be thinking of you :)
17:39<Yaakov>First caker, now you!
17:39<@caker>Yaakov: PONG
17:40<Talman>If Linode's a sponsor, who's going?
17:40<Talman>I mean officially.
17:40<Talman>Just caker?
17:40<@caker>mikegrb and stan_theman
17:40<@jed>the half-dozen Womens' Studies 101 "interns" we've been grooming for PR
17:40<Talman>Ah, ok.
17:41<Talman>We might sponsor a friend's 5k run for his son, he has eplipsy, but he's in Alabama.
17:41<Talman>Not sure if I can, well, get down there.
17:42<@jed>shiny head is shiny
17:42<Talman>I'm waiting for him to get his 503(c) certification for his non-profit. I might be able to send Raster down.
17:42<Talman>Leave my head alone.
17:42<Guspaz>Yaakov: A silly little toy that can't even compete with AAs.
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17:44<Guspaz>You get the capacity of 4 to 5 AA Eneloops, but less than 20% the recharge cycles (according to the manufacturer), in a much larger package, at substantially higher cost.
17:44<Guspaz>There appear to be zero advantages.
17:44<Yaakov>It's a fuel cell.
17:44<Guspaz>It's useless.
17:45<Yaakov>It's a fuel cell.
17:45<Guspaz>Is that important some how?
17:45<Karrde>fsck /dev/jed | yes
17:45<warewolf>It's a fuel cell.
17:45<Yaakov>It's a fuel cell.
17:46*warewolf giggles
17:46<Guspaz>It's a fuel cell with a uselessly small capacity.
17:46<@jed>but: it's a portable, personal fuel cell.
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17:46<Yaakov>It's a fuel cell.
17:46<Yaakov>See, eneloops don't last.
17:46<warewolf>Guspaz: and a 1gb hard drive used to take up an entire room. Now you can fit 8x the space in your fingernail.
17:47<Guspaz>So? It can't compete with AA batteries in any respect, and it doesn't even have the advantage of most fuel cells (that they use high-density fuels).
17:47<Yaakov>It's a fuel cell.
17:47<Guspaz>IIRC this thing just uses compressed gas rather than something useful like a hydrocarbon.
17:47*warewolf facepalms
17:48<warewolf>Yaakov: his density is greater than that of material forged in the middle of a black hole.
17:48<Guspaz>If it used proper fuel, it would be of significance. But storing compressed hydrogen isn't going to increase with moore's law like warewolf implies.
17:48<Yaakov>It uses hydrogen. They have an electrolysis device to charge the cartdriges.
17:48<Yaakov>It's a fuel cell.
17:48<Yaakov>caker: Pretty cool, huh?
17:48<Talman>It doesn't need to compete.
17:49<Talman>What it needs to be is a consumer proof of concept that they got to market.
17:49<Guspaz>But there are other consumer fuel cells onthe market that DO have useful capacity. What makes this special? The cost?
17:49<Talman>Probably, how much are they? And are they small?
17:49<Guspaz>It's not the first, it's not the most useful, it's not the best, the only possible advantage might be that it's the cheapest.
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17:50<Talman>That's an important advantage.
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17:51<Guspaz>Higher capacity than the minipak, 10% the cost.
17:51<Guspaz>Not sure if it's rechargable, thoguh.
17:52<@jed>In conclusion, we're noticing a 25-35% bandwidth surge everytime something interesting happens in the World Cup. We're adding capacity and fixing some some newly discovered bottlenecks.
17:52<Talman>I prefer reddit over digg now.
17:53<@jed>Talman: same
17:53<Talman>Ok, why is everyone who's buying Guspaz's item buying bento and egg molds?
17:53<Guspaz>Talman: The Medis solution uses methanol, hence the higher capacity, but the high cost of replacement pats (and the fact that Medis went bankrupt and doesn't exist anymore) is something of an issue.
17:53<Talman>And do boys use bunny egg molds for their bento? (Discounting that a girl made it for him)
17:53<Talman>18 month shelf life doesn't sound good.
17:54<Talman>I'll be honest, folks, I use batteries.
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17:54<Talman>To me, fuel cells are something one of my ex-GFs are working on so she can be an astronaut.
17:54<Guspaz>I love me my Eneloops.
17:54<TheJoe>I gotta reboot
17:54<Talman>And when she is one, I'm gonna go, "I know that girl."
17:55<TheJoe>I'm on 189 days up, too
17:55<Talman>Screw your uptime!
17:55<Talman>REboot for great powah!
17:55<Guspaz>Oh my, it's time to leave work, and the bus comes very soon.
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17:55<Talman>Also, does anyone use iTunes? I want to to actually recongize my japanese stuff.
17:56<Nivex>dammit why does ejabberd never seem to survive a reboot :/
17:58<Nivex>I'd love to switch to prosody, but it's not feature complete yet
17:58<Talman>I think the only jabber server I used was OpenFire.
17:58<Nivex>java hate
17:58<Yaakov>Someday I will reboot and get my RAM.
17:58<Talman>OpenFire is Java, yeah, but it ran soothly and fast for me.
17:59<Yaakov>But it won't be until I have to reboot for some other reason.
17:59<Talman>I probably should turn OF back on if we're gonna have 1099 field techs.
17:59<Talman>I'm waiting till either tonight or sunday.
17:59<Talman>Normally sunday night around 1-2 AM is the "technical services window"
18:00<@pparadis>java is neither good nor evil. many programs written in java run very nicely, and many fail hard performance-wise.
18:00<@jed>if you know java, you can always fall back on a six figure financial services cubicle programming job
18:00<@jed>so it has that going for it
18:00<Talman>pparadis, do you remember NetZero/BlueLight?
18:00<Yaakov>Java is pure evil. In fact, it is made by triple distilling evil mined from COBOL.
18:01<@pparadis>Talman: i do
18:01<Talman>SOmeone thought it was a good idea to write the NetZero dialer software in Java.
18:01*pparadis rewrites Yaakov in Java
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18:01<Talman>Now, this was win98.
18:01<Talman>So, we'd ctrl-alt-del and task kill it 3 times.
18:01<Talman>The dialer never even knew what hit it.
18:01<Talman>Free internet.
18:02<@pparadis>hey, as a rule i'm not a fan of java either. that said, much of the "zomg it sucks so hard" is simply mindless repetition.
18:02<@pparadis>i was greatly amused when NetZero started charging for dialup.
18:02<Talman>So was I.
18:02<Talman>I was on roadrunner.
18:02<Talman>I don't dislike or like java.
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18:03<@pparadis>not much "zero" going on there, unless you count zeros after decimal places, preceded by numbers and a dollar sign ;)
18:03<Talman>I know that there are some performance issues when its written by monkeys.
18:03<jkwood>while (true); System.out.println("TEH JAVURS SUX0RZ");
18:03<Talman>ALso, since has left us, I just went into the linode DNS manager and set it to "disabled"
18:03<Talman>This will turn DNS off, right?
18:04<Talman>Meh, Ill turn it off at the end of the month, I'll be generous.
18:04<Nivex>ok that was weird. now it's working
18:05<mdcollins>Not all java is bad.. mmkay?
18:06<mdcollins>I didnt fully understand java when i tried to program it, but that was years ago before i could program crap..
18:06<jkwood>Only the most of it parts.
18:07<mdcollins>both php and java have a bad rap and it depends on the programmer to make the best of it..
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18:08<TheJoe>MOAR POWAH
18:08<Talman>Apple says that the 8GB iPhone 3Gs is 99 dollars.
18:08<Talman>AT&T Business gave me a 16GB one for 99 dollars.
18:08<Talman>They don't even sell the 8.
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18:11<pi_>Weeeeeeeeeee We <3 Linode. =)
18:11<TheJoe>htop tells me I only got 498MB memory
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18:12<TheJoe>Is there something I'm not getting about Linux memory addressing?
18:12<TheJoe>jkwood: Isn't that when memory usage looks high?
18:15<jkwood>Did you increase the amount of ram available in the profile?
18:15<TheJoe>I just have it set to "maxmimum available"
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18:16<@irgeek>TheJoe: It's a difference in how the kernels report memory.
18:16<TheJoe>irgeek: I thought there must be some reason like that for it
18:17<@irgeek>Newer kernels don't report some reserved memory in the totals.
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18:17<@irgeek>It's there, but the kernel sez "MINE!" and hides it under the bed.
18:18<Talman>Is that having to do with that protected RAM for trusted computing?
18:19<@pparadis>trusted computing is such a funny term
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18:24<TheJoe>pparadis: Talman: Makes me think of GlaDOS
18:25<Talman>Trust the GlaDOS.
18:26<Talman>Time to screw with pricing.
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18:50<spkitty>oh great somehow halfway through the installation or 10.04 process it stopped
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18:50<spkitty>server still runs fine but i imagine if i try and restart i will be totally fucked
18:50<spkitty>how do i fix this
18:54<spkitty>is there anyway to continue the installation or what?
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18:56<Talman>Did it spit out "the installation has halted"
18:56<Talman>Or did it just dump you to bash?
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18:57<spkitty>dumped me back to my screen session
18:57<spkitty>now thinks that it's been fully upgraded
18:57<spkitty>apache and mysql seem to be running again and everything is fine but i'm sure that will change if i try and restart
19:01<spkitty>any ideas Talman?
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19:05<Chris___>Dear Linode,
19:05<Chris___>Thank you for the 152 MiB of RAM
19:05<Chris___>I love you
19:07<spkitty>hmm well it exited at the point it wanted to check to remove old packages
19:07<spkitty>as far as i can tell that means the upgrade process had already completed ... right?
19:10<Talman>check your version
19:10<Talman>I forget how.
19:10<BrianHV>aside from dumping the database, is there anything else I'm likely to need to do to make sure things get backed up properly with the linode backup service?
19:11<spkitty>say's i'm running 10.04 here
19:11<spkitty>with cat /etc/issue
19:13<MarkJ>wow, more memory. nice birthday surprise.
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19:17<linbot>New news from forums: Lower plan or pay-per-resource? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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19:45*nb loves linode because they keep giving upgrades
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19:47<DephNet[Paul]>me too nb
19:47<DephNet[Paul]>and happy birthday caker and Linode
19:48<nb>its cakers birthday too?
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19:48<DephNet[Paul]>no, not as far as i am aware, but Linode is his "baby"
19:48<nb>oh ok
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19:53<@caker>ideas for how to count tweets containing a phrase (linode) in the past 24 hours?
19:54<TheJoe>caker: Check out the advanced search
19:55<@caker>I wants stats/a count, not the tweets themselves :)
19:55<mdcollins>caker, heres where i went
19:55<ericoc> but i think its the same as mdcollins link
19:55<mdcollins>it was a google search limited to the domain and to stuff in the last 24 hours
19:55<@caker>45 results <- um, no.
19:55<mdcollins>dunno how accurate it is though
19:55<@caker>There have been 1000s
19:56<mdcollins>thats what i would have thought
19:56<@caker>We made Twitter's homepage:
19:57<TheJoe>To burst your bubble... They pick tweets at random
19:57<TheJoe>Even spam bots make it on there
19:58<MarkJ>Still cool to be #1 :)
19:58<linbot>New news from forums: Don't waste time searching for a good VPS, buy a Linode. in Customer Testimonials <>
19:59<mdcollins>well, the twitter search page lists them in order.. maybe a script to count how many pages?
20:01<spkitty>so anybody got any advice for me re. my installation halting just before it cleaned up the obsolete packages?
20:01<spkitty>reckon it would be safe to restart?
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20:03<mdcollins>caker, using this:
20:03<everythingdaniel>Thanks Linode for the ram upgrade!
20:03<mdcollins>ive got to 6 pages at 50 per page, but thats since the start of today, not the last 24 hours
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20:13<ericoc>mdcollins: using ?
20:13<ericoc>sucks that it restricts you to 50/page
20:14<mdcollins>yeah, but i used their advanced search page, dunno if the results differ though.
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20:59<linbot>New news from forums: blocks facebook. in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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21:04<linbot>New news from forums: Big RAM increase, how you will use it? in General Discussion <>
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21:11<pwnguin>this is why i need to centralize RSS read/unread status
21:11<pwnguin>dsektop failed me and i missed a ram increase!
21:11<@caker>aww, you missed the window! 360 for you.
21:12<Yaakov>caker: I have everything running that I want and 152MB free...
21:12<Yaakov>That's without the increase.
21:13<MarkJ>My mail server will appreciate the increase to 768 though
21:13<jkwood>the @caker: What's the full year price for a 768? I'm having difficulty finding it on the website.
21:13<MarkJ>otherwise most of my hosts were running easily
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21:14<Yaakov>12 x 1 month - 10%.
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21:14<jkwood>Yaakov: Thanks, wasn't sure about the discount.
21:14<jkwood>Hmm... tempting, oh so tempting.
21:14<Yaakov>It was 10% last I knew.
21:15<nb>aha, i figured out why it was causing trouble, i already had the settings right for pv-grub and forgot to disable xenify distro
21:15*nb thinks he fixed his vps now
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21:20<chesty>haha Post subject: Don't waste time searching for a good VPS, buy a Linode. I love the unintended implications
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21:27<Yaakov>"Why go elsewhere and get cheated when you can buy here?"
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21:35<Pryon>Red Hot Lunis is te bast!
21:36<Pryon>Note to self: When one has a single DVD drive, one cannot burn a DVD and read from a CD simultaneously.
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21:52<pwnguin>the cheapest linode has half the ram my desktop has today =9
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21:52<Talman>Hello, Linode.
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22:00<Talman>Attention OpenVZ providers: There is no excuse. Sell yourselves to Linode.
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22:01<@caker>the cheapest Linode has 4096x the amount of RAM my first computer did, and 100,000x the amount of storage
22:01<@caker>and about a billion x the amount of processing powa
22:02<Talman>I only had 64k
22:02<pwnguin>does the NES count as a computer now?
22:02<Talman>And a 1.1mhz 6510 processor.
22:02<Talman>(What was my first PC?)
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22:03<MarkJ>Your computer had a whole 64k? my first had 8
22:03<pwnguin>more importantly, my computer right now has 55 megs of ram
22:03<Nivex>atari800 48k
22:04<pwnguin>which is substantially off from the alltime high of 1gb
22:04<Pryon>Talman: and the disk drive had a 6502 in it
22:04<Talman>Yes, yes it did.
22:04<Talman>Commodore 64, actually.
22:04<Talman>VIC 20s only had 32K.
22:05<Pryon>C=64 had about 32 free at boot
22:05<Talman>64K free, what you talkin bout willis?
22:05<Talman>Er, 62k.
22:05<Pryon>38911 BASIC BYTES FREE
22:05<Talman>>.> Shut up. :(
22:05<Talman>Ok, yeah, 32k free.
22:05<Nivex>10 PRINT "LINODE ROCKS!"
22:05<Nivex>20 GOTO 10
22:06<Talman>Poke that shit in.
22:06<Nivex>POKE 580,1
22:06<Nivex>(force cold boot on next reset on an Atari 800. How do I still remember that?!)
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22:06<MarkJ>Led a sheltered life? :p
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22:12<Talman>I still remember the keyboard layout of a C64.
22:12<Pryon>SYS 49152
22:12<Talman>But I had one since I was 7.
22:12<Talman>That does something funny, but what is it? Reboot?
22:12<Pryon>Nah, it's just a commong place for programs to load themselves.
22:12<Pryon>Not sure if C800 was special
22:12<Talman>I remember trying to make a BBS program in BASIC.
22:13<Talman>Like QMBBS.
22:13<Pryon>The only addresses I remember are 52380 and 52381, the foregrounds and background colors
22:13<Talman>Eventually some friends helped me with routines.
22:13<Talman>Yeah, those sound familiar.
22:13<Talman>Like ASM XMODEM routines, etc.
22:13<Pryon>!calc 0xc800 in dec
22:13<linbot>Pryon: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:14<Pryon>!calc 0xc800 * 1
22:14<linbot>Pryon: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:14<Talman>Try #hex.
22:14<chesty>I have in /etc/apt/preference :
22:15<chesty>but apt is ignoring it. any clues?
22:17<chesty>yeah, i typed the filename wrong, it's preferences. sorry about that
22:19<guinea-pig>this may seem like a strange suggestion, but try adding a blank line at the end of the file
22:19<guinea-pig>apt/preferences is a weird thing
22:20<chesty>no difference, but thanks for the suggestion
22:21<guinea-pig>also, try n= instead of a=
22:21<chesty>nope, what's the difference?
22:22<guinea-pig>man apt_preferences
22:22<guinea-pig>n=Codename, a=archive
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22:23<guinea-pig>yeah, shouldn't make a difference
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22:29<guinea-pig>it seems to be in the *php* wildcard
22:30<chesty>ah, you're right. thanks
22:30<guinea-pig>yeah, i don't think the * wildcard is really that. i think it's more acting as an alias for "all packages"
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22:33<guinea-pig>but you can specify multiple package names on the Package: line it seems
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22:38<amitz>ooh, just read what the fuss about with mongodb. Any...weird caveats?
22:42<megatron27>schema free without sacrificing queryability
22:42<megatron27>and of course horizontal scalability for those weirdos who need it
22:42<tanto>amitz: i have a link for you
22:42<megatron27>in other words, those people pretending to be Google
22:43<linbot>New news from forums: Localhost not responding in Linux Networking <>
22:43<tanto>that link i just posted talks about some mongodb caveats
22:44<tanto>check out: mongo, cassandradb, riak, couch
22:44<megatron27>you wrote that?
22:44<tanto>to me, cassandradb and riak look like the best
22:46<megatron27>what the hell, data loss on a post 1.0 piece of software
22:47<tanto>apparently the odd releases are not for production or something
22:47<tanto>sounds strange to me
22:47<megatron27>like Linux
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22:47<megatron27>well Linux used to follow that convention
22:47<amitz>oh, I thought mongodb is a object oriented db instead of document oriented db. anyway, reading and digesting you guys messages one by one.
22:47<megatron27>they don't anymore
22:47<megatron27>tanto, great writeup
22:47<tanto>it's not mine, don't thank me =)
22:48<tanto>i came across is during my reading yesterday
22:48<megatron27>how does 500K correspond to 32-bits....
22:48<tanto>who knows
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22:48<megatron27>well they don't use incrementing counters for document IDs because of the sharding requirements
22:49<tanto>check out this one:
22:49<valan>if you divide 500k by 32, you get 15625, which is how it corresponds ;)
22:49<megatron27>ahh, thanks man, you rock!
22:49<megatron27>oh, sorry :P
22:49<tanto>also a relaly good writeup
22:49<valan>"SQLite or postgres, which consider anything below millions of rows trivial"
22:49<valan>i like that quote heh
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22:50<amitz>tanto: scary story so far...
22:50<tanto>basically the 2nd link i posted says mozilla went with riak
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22:50<amitz>tanto: btw, wikipedia entry in dabatase comparison tell you about the limit between each databases.
22:51<tanto>cassandra is really picking up steam though which is good. digg and reddit are both using cassandra, and it's an apache project
22:51<valan>the guy who wrote that article seems quite capable, but it amazes me that he didn't do any proper backups to avoid the data loss he had
22:51<amitz>gah, move the s.
22:51<megatron27>hey, I'm using an odd number version of MongoDB
22:51<tanto>valan: yeah i was wondering about that as well =)
22:51<megatron27>oh, no, 1.4.2 :-)
22:51<megatron27>I'm fine
22:51<megatron27>it doesn't seem like such a critical project
22:52<valan>i'm generally happy with sqlite myself
22:52<megatron27>damn, that's a very scary article
22:52<valan>for most of my stuff, i don't need many writes, and sqlite can indeed perform fast reads
22:52<megatron27>especially since I've recently moved to mongodb
22:52<valan>and sqlite is very easy to use
22:52<valan>but i'll use postgres for the heavy stuff
22:52<tanto>don't dabatase me bro !
22:52<amitz>megatron27: sorry what do you mean by schema anyway? I'm quite ignorant in that particular term of db.
22:52<megatron27>but their use cases are very different
22:53<valan>that said, i'll avoid using db whenever possible ;)
22:53<tanto>i use db as much as possible
22:53<megatron27>amitz, okay, in a RDBMS you have to use the DDL to specify the structure of the tables right
22:53<megatron27>that's your schema
22:53<megatron27>that has to be done before you start inserting data
22:54<tanto>currently i use mysql and postgresql extensively
22:54<megatron27>with mongodb, you just insert data without having to tell the db the structure of it beforehand
22:54<valan>mysql *always* gives me issues
22:54<tanto>and playing around with the nosql options, planning to code a proof of concept site that uses nosql with a rails app
22:54<tanto>i have years of mysql experience
22:54<valan>i'm probably not qualified to talk about databases though, it's been a number of years since i've had any use for them, and i really don't remember so much about them
22:54<tanto>i have mysql on my linodes set up in a multi master
22:54<bob2>I'm not sure how "Cassandra — Schema changes require a rolling restart of the nodes." is meant to be true
22:55<tanto>i thought iwth cassandra you had to define the schema in a file
22:55<Boohemian>'tis nice to be home from switzerland
22:55<tanto>so to pick up the changes you'd have to restart the node?
22:55<bob2>you do not
22:55<megatron27>to Switzerland!
22:55<Boohemian>i hope to one day move there though
22:56<valan>never been to switzerland
22:56<bob2>you define column families (~tables) in the config file
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22:57<amitz>megatron27: oh, I see. hmm, so it kinds of makes their own structure from the class? or that's more like object based database? whereas mongodb is document-object database, whatever that means?
22:58<megatron27>amitz, no, there's no expected structure at all
22:58<megatron27>amitz, the documents don't have to be uniform
22:59<megatron27>so one document can have 10 fields another can have 2
22:59<amitz>megatron27: that's a pretty scary magic. The only way I can think of to make it work is by keeping track all the transactions you make...
23:00<amitz>I mean, recording that a certain update is done at x number of fields on y number of rows. That must makes it somewhat slow?
23:01<amitz>hmm anyway, I guess this is something that is painful to answer but will be more obvious if I dive into it. -_-
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23:01<tanto>bob: so you like cassandra?
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23:02<bob2>tanto: it looks interesting, but I haven't used it
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23:02<bob2>but it's the only one I've really looked at, so the above mistake jumped out at me
23:02<tanto>oh ok
23:02<megatron27>amitz, I'm not sure MongoDB supports transactions or not
23:03<megatron27>amitz, I've never had to update more than one document at at time
23:03<kyhwana>yay moar RAMs.. thank you linode!
23:05<megatron27>amitz, it only guarantees that operations to a single document are atomic
23:05<amitz>megatron27: perhaps I confused myself with object based db but basically each class will be responsible to read/update/delete each of their own document? So transaction within one type of document can be made, but not transaction across multiple documents. I think. cmiiw.
23:06<megatron27>amitz, yup, that sounds right
23:07<megatron27>I have tons of slides to prepare.
23:07<amitz>megatron27: if that is the case, they don't really use magic. But then that means there is almost no difference between object-based db and document-object-based db?
23:07<amitz>megatron27: oh okay, good luck!
23:08<megatron27>amitz, in an OO database, the structure of the data is defined by the class right
23:08<amitz>document-object-based db is mongo db, according to wikipedia. Just for completeness.
23:08<megatron27>amitz, well, with MongoDB there's no predefined structure at all
23:09<megatron27>amitz, also, since there's no predefined structure, the documents can have of different shapes and sizes
23:09<megatron27>s/can have of/can be of/
23:09<amitz>megatron27: oh I see, in mongodb you have to explicitly declare the fiels of your document, although you probably don't have to declare primary/foreign keys etc.
23:09<megatron27>I just followed that guy on Twitter
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23:10<tanto>who? julian browne?
23:10<megatron27>I don't know what you mean by explicit, but basically you just give it any JSON structure and it'll insert it for you.
23:10<megatron27>yeah, him
23:10<amitz>megatron27: I see, I get what you mean.
23:11<megatron27>but that blog entry earlier scares me
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23:14<tanto>hey whats the database comparison page you guys were talking about?
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23:16<megatron27>just makings things up
23:16<megatron27>no citations whatsoever :-)
23:17<megatron27>(megatron and amitz, 2010)
23:17<ssteinerX>any reason root shouldn't be able to sftp with linode's default Ubuntu 10.04 setup?
23:18<ssteinerX>it just closes the connection immediately
23:18<ssteinerX>other (nonexistent even) users get prompted for password
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23:19<@caker>sftp -v -v -v
23:20<@caker>ssteinerX: pretty much if ssh works, sftp should - so long as you have the sftp submodule or whatever it's called enabled in sshd_config
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23:20<bob2>PermitRootLogin no
23:21<bob2>oops, nevermind
23:21<Thorrr>free ram
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23:24<ssteinerX>the AuthorizedKeysFile config option is commented out, but would be correct if it weren't
23:24<ssteinerX>this seems to have changed btwn 9.10 and 10.04
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23:28<@irgeek>ssteinerX: My Ubuntu 8.04 Linode has it commented out as well.
23:29<ssteinerX>irgeek: but your sftp works for root?
23:29<@irgeek>If I remember correctly, there are a bunch of commented out parameters in sshd_config that are set to the default.
23:30<@irgeek>ssteinerX: I always set PermitRootLogin no
23:30<ssteinerX>i never had to touch it before; sftp just worked
23:30<ssteinerX>yes, right after I get things set up, I do too
23:31<@irgeek>Have you checked the Subsystem sftp line?
23:31<@caker>grep sftp /etc/ssh/sshd_config
23:31<@irgeek>It's /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server on 8.04.
23:31<ssteinerX>Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server
23:32<@caker>it's in there!
23:32<@irgeek>And file /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server tells me: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped
23:32<ssteinerX>so it's there, it's just booing root
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23:35<@irgeek>ssteinerX: Does file report the correct information for it?
23:35<@caker>bd_: \o/
23:35<bd_>thanks for the RAM :3
23:36<@irgeek>ssteinerX: Have you tried sftp for another user?
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23:36<@irgeek>And SSH for that matter?
23:36<ssteinerX>ssh works for root, haven't created another user
23:36<mdcollins>yes caker, thanks for the RAM! yay!
23:36<ssteinerX>irgeek: "does file report..." sorry, not following, correct info for what?
23:37<@irgeek>Run 'file /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server'
23:37<@caker>mdcollins: surprise!
23:37<@caker>also, your "Men of Linode" calendar is in the mail
23:38<Pryon>Now I'll need a valium to sleep
23:38<ssteinerX>file /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked...stripped
23:38<amitz>tanto: <- this or about mongodb and its friends?
23:38<@irgeek>That seems correct.
23:39*mdcollins refuses all mail with usps
23:39<amitz>Pryon: I need urmom to put me to sleep.
23:39<@irgeek>ssteinerX: You're on 32-bit Ubuntu, right?
23:40<amitz>...that doesn't create the expected effect.. oh well
23:40<Pryon>amitz: this channel has been a bad influence on you!
23:40<A-KO>iphone OS 4 is pretty damn sweet
23:40<ssteinerX>irgeek: yes, it looks that way, other user can ssh & sftp, it's just root that can't sftp
23:40<amitz>Pryon: that includes you!
23:40<Pryon>anything interesting in auth.log?
23:40<Pryon>amitz: :P
23:41<ssteinerX>this "just works" on the "same-ish" setup at RS, out of the box -- wonder what's differentt...
23:42<Pryon>Do you have an AllowUsers option?
23:42<@caker>ssteinerX: I'll give it a shot
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23:43<@caker>ssteinerX: works for me. I just deployed Ubuntu 10.04, booted, and did this from a remote machine: sftp root@<ip>:/etc/passwd .
23:43<tanto>amitz: mongodb and its friends
23:44<ssteinerX>i'm going in by public key
23:44<@caker>ssteinerX: sftp -v -v -v
23:44<@caker>I told you all this already :)
23:46<ssteinerX>I don't know what most of that means...
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23:47<megatron27>is something wrong with my eyes or was ssteinerX's last message in grey
23:48<ssteinerX>I'm fading...
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23:48<ssteinerX>it's a wierd-ism of Colloquy
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23:50-!-mode/#linode [+c] by caker
23:50<megatron27>how do you do that
23:51<ssteinerX>it usually happens when I cut & paste something in a different font
23:51<ssteinerX>then it just sticks
23:51<internat>thanks caker, much appreciated.. damm ppl forcing colour codes
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23:52<ssteinerX>then it's just back to normal (ish)
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23:56<ssteinerX>just updated with third -v
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23:57<Santo>My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius... :>
23:57<Santo>and i'm using gentoo
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