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00:00<ryankan1>That's something new to me :) let me try!
00:00<bob2>(assuming you're using openssh on your desktop)
00:01<Kos>you can set that up under putty in, ssh -> tunnels
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00:03<ryankan1>I'm on mac. Is there a PuTTy equiv on mac?
00:03<Kos>ssh in the terminal
00:04<@caker> ssh username@hostname
00:05<Eman>i have switched to kitty instead of putty
00:05<Eman>many more features
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00:15<ryankan1>Hmm .. I did that and it loaded, put in my credentials and it's stuck on waiting for Do I have to change more settings somewhere besides my nginx.conf?
00:21<ryankan1>Hmm ... I think it's the SSH's fault. That terminal window is slowed to a level beyond crawling ...
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00:28<bage>Is there any guide to move wordpress blog from MT grid server to linde easily?
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01:17<linbot>New news from forums: Changing log date formats? in General Discussion <> || Subdirectory that points to a subdomain in Linux Networking <>
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01:55<atourino>quick question... if I deploy a 64 bit version of Ubuntu 10.04, do I need to change the kernel as well?
01:57<atourino>so if I didn't change it and went ahead compiling a bunch of stuff... I would need to go back and recompile everything?
01:57<nisstyre56>if you didn't change it you wouldn't be running a 64 bit system
01:57<nisstyre56>you wouldn't be able to compile 64 bit programs
01:58<bob2>well, you would, since gcc can cross compile ;p
01:58<nisstyre56>but you wouldn't be able to run them
01:58<bob2>you wouldn't be able to boot an amd64 ubuntu system unless you'd changed to an amd64 kernel
02:00<nisstyre56>atourino: read this
02:00<bss>you should also evaluate why it is you want to deploy a 64-bit version
02:01<atourino>yeah... the thing is that I thought I was running a 64bit system... and I tried running the 64 bit version of mongodb and it wouldn;t run... telling me that there was an unterminated string.... I realized I was running a 32 bit kernel and switched to a 64 bit one... but then mongodb (same 64 bit one) wont run, telling me that the file is not there. I googled, and this happens when you run a 32 bit version of mongodb in a 64bit system... so Im conused
02:01<atourino>bss: I want a 64bit system to not run into limitations with the 32 bit version of mongodb
02:03<bss>what limitations are those? (and would they matter on a linode?)
02:03<nisstyre56>I'm confused as to what exactly took place
02:04<nisstyre56>you said you were running a 64 bit program on a 64 bit kernel, and that you googled and there were problems with a bit version
02:05<nisstyre56>*32 bit version
02:05<bss>atourino: are you running a linode with more than 2 GB of memory? :)
02:07<atourino>I downloaded the 64 bit version of the program... in the 32 bit kernel i got an error ( I assumed it was probably due to the fact that I might be running a 32 bit kernel, it was a duh moment) now I switched to a 64 bit kernel and I got another error which suggests that Im running the 32 bit version of the program in a 64 bit kernel
02:08<bob2>and the error is ...
02:08<nisstyre56>but running a 32 bit program in a 64 bit system shouldn't be an issue
02:08<bob2>and 'uname -a' says ...
02:08<nisstyre56>yeah, an error message would help
02:10<linbot>New news from forums: Storage nodes in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
02:10<nisstyre56>atourino: are you sure you have the right binary for your cpu anyway?
02:11<nisstyre56>atourino: the second one means you haven't got it installed
02:11<bob2>none of those indicate any of the things you said
02:11<nisstyre56>or it's not chmod +x
02:11<bob2>one means the script is broken
02:11<bob2>one means the thing nisstyre56 said
02:12<nisstyre56>actually you would probably get "command not found" if it existed and wasn't executable
02:14<StevenK>You can get command not found if the script exists, is +x, but the executable on the #! line is missing
02:14<bob2>which file do the docs say you should run?
02:14<bob2>I'd say you have a gratuitous b
02:15<atourino>StevenK: it's a binary file :(
02:16<bob2>show us what happens when you try to run the right thing
02:16<bob2>ie mongod
02:19<nisstyre56>atourino: try running a file that does exist?
02:19<bob2>nisstyre56: file /opt/mongodb/bin/mongod ; head -n1 /opt/mongodb/bin/mongod
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02:22<bob2>atourino: uname -a
02:22<bob2>atourino: file $(which ls)
02:22<atourino>Linux 2.6.34-x86_64-linode13 #2 SMP Wed Jun 23 18:54:41 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
02:22<ryankan1>If I am running php5.2.10, what happens if I install the latest version of php5-dev? Would it break my 5.2 install?
02:23<bob2>ryankan1: are you talking about packages?
02:23<atourino>bob2: you hit it...
02:23<atourino>bob2: /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
02:23<atourino>so I deployed a 32 bit system?
02:23<ryankan1>bob2: yes
02:24<atourino><3 love you all
02:25<bob2>ryankan1: at last on debian/ubuntu, php5-dev will Depend on the appropriate version of php5-*, so you just can't do that
02:25<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:25<atourino>except mikegrb... he likes cake
02:25<bob2>er at least
02:25<ryankan1>bob2: I see... So I have to compile it and it's dependencies manually :(
02:26<bob2>ryankan1: I don't know what you're doing, but I doubt that
02:26<linbot>New news from forums: BOTs attack in Performance and Tuning <>
02:26<ryankan1>bob2: I don't know for sure too , but here let me tell you what I am doing and see if you cna help me out ;)
02:28<ryankan1>bob2: I needed to stick with php 5.2, so I used this repository
02:29<ryankan1>Now I want to install APC, and I don't know how to do it since I don't have PECL it seems. Was kinda hoping to find it in php-dev or something
02:30<bob2>bleh php
02:31<munik>bleh yourself
02:31<munik>Also, atourino
02:31<munik>Why the HELL are you using a 64bit distro on a vps?
02:32<bob2>ryankan1: do you have another ubuntu machine to build packages on?
02:33<bob2>ryankan1: if so, do this there
02:33<ryankan1>munik: why not (it's not a smart alec remark. I really DO want to know). I almost selected a 64bit Lucid when I reset my server yesterday :P
02:33<ryankan1>bob2: I might be able to get ... but let me know, see what I can do :)
02:33<linbot>New news from wiki: User:Vmann <>
02:33<munik>ryankan1: 64bit binaries use more memory which is precious in a vps setting..............
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02:34<munik>using 64bit on a vps has absolutely no advantages and only disadvantages
02:34<bob2>ryankan1: sudo aptitude install fakeroot build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep php-apc ; wget ; ; wget ; dpkg-source -x php-apc_3.0.19-2.dsc ; cd php-apc-3.0.19 (or whatever the dir is) ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -u
02:34<ryankan1>munik: that's it ?
02:34<bob2>ryankan1: that will build karmic's presumably-5.2-compatible php-apc, and give you some .deb files you can copy to your linode and install
02:34<munik>ryankan1: like i said, there's no good reason to use a 64bit distro on linode
02:34<munik>hence why they say 32bit recommended
02:35<bob2>64bit on a vps /with small amounts of ram/, maybe
02:35<munik>linode doesn't offer a vps with more than 4gb of ram
02:35<munik>and if you need more than that
02:35<bob2>munik: uh yes it does
02:35<munik>you want dedicated hosting anyways
02:35<bob2>munik: max is 20GB of ram
02:35<ryankan1>bob2: I can't do that on my current machine? And does the OTHER ubuntu have to be a karmic koala?
02:35<munik>that you can upgrade to
02:35<bob2>for a cool $799.95/month
02:36<munik>im talking plans
02:36<ryankan1>it's there :P
02:36<munik>the plans top out at 4096
02:36<bob2>munik: no
02:36<bob2>ryankan1: eh, isn't your linode on lucid?
02:36<ryankan1>the plans now top up at 20GB
02:36<munik>i see now
02:36<munik>but seriously
02:36<munik>if you need that much ram
02:36<munik>you're not going with a vps
02:36<ryankan1>bob2: yea my linode is on lucid. So to do that I have to run it on a Karmic ?
02:36<bob2>ryankan1: no
02:36<bob2>ryankan1: lucid
02:37<munik>now lets ask the real obvious questions
02:37<bob2>ryankan1: the point is to build karmic's source package on lucid, so it will run on lucid
02:37<munik>ryankan1: you're on probably less than 2gb of ram, right?
02:37<ryankan1>bob2: Hmmm .. So why can't I build it on my Linode? (Lucid with Karmic php)
02:38<ryankan1>munik: yea :)
02:38<munik>i don't feel i need to say any more
02:38<bob2>ryankan1: no real reason
02:40<ryankan1>munik: Hye, like I said, I'm just a really curious guy, not here to start a flame war or anything, just want to learn and I can't if I just take stuff at face value :S I did not load a 64bit and am not the one who did it :P atourino is the one with the 64 bit :)
02:40<ryankan1>munik: Hence the amount of why not? question.
02:41<atourino>munik... with mongodb, the 32 bit version is limited to a database of around 2GB... if it grows more than that, you're hosed... you could argue that it won't grow more than 2GB, but hey... one can hope... :)
02:41<munik>ryankan1: Well, I get it from all sides - 64bit is not suitable for all envrionments.
02:41<munik>atourino: I find that very hard to believe and if it is, that's just poor coding.
02:41<ryankan1>I'm REALLY new to unmanaged hosting so I'm in no position to question any of your opinions too :)
02:42<munik>atourino: So basically they don't support it, not that they can't.
02:43<munik>That's a problem with Mongo.
02:43<munik>Not 32bit linux.
02:43<bob2>mmap'ing data isn't unreasonable
02:44<munik>That's really an unacceptable point.
02:44<atourino>munik: I really dont want to argue about this. I have my reasons for using it. that's great. it's obvious you won't use it... good. let's move on.
02:44<munik>They could easily if 64bit mmap else not
02:45<munik>it's the first comment that really makes me laugh
02:46<munik>"I wish more ppl reasoned like this, i hate 32bit with a passion. The more stuff that stop supporting it the sooner we are rid of the plague!"
02:46<munik>And he's an ArchLinux user.
02:47<munik>You can't just impose a pseudo limitation and tell people to use 64bit.
02:47<bob2>of course you can
02:47<bob2>and they have
02:48<munik>And people will stop using their software.
02:48<munik>Not that I ever did.
02:48<bob2>"wah wah this distribute databse you gave me for free doesn't do $foo"
02:48<munik>But I now know I won't be using it.
02:48*munik shrugs
02:48<munik>Wasn't my point of complaint.
02:49<bob2>what is?
02:49<munik>I didn't have one, it was brought to my attention.
02:49<atourino>bob2: thanks for the help
02:49*atourino good night everyone
02:49<bob2>atourino: did it work?
02:49<atourino>maybe... Im redeploying another linode... I will find out tomorrow... too tired tonight
02:49*munik continues to enjoy the lack of a native zsnes or flash plugin on his ultra modern leet install
02:50<bob2>did adobe pull the linux/amd64 flash plugin?
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02:50<bob2>heh, saves the trouble of installing flashblock I guess
02:50<munik>now i cant watch my tranny porn
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02:53<bob2>ryankan1: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list + /etc/apt/preferences
02:56<bob2>why do you need 5.2?
02:56<bob2>and to use lucid
02:56<bob2>maybe 'sudo apt-get update' will fix it
02:56<bob2>it is suspicious that libtool is uninstallable
02:56<bob2>oh bleh
02:57<bob2>try 'sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get -f install', then try the other thing again
02:58<ryankan1>bob2: will it mess up my php 5.2? I *really* need it to stay 5.2, cause Magento will break in 5.3 (tried it many times) :S
02:59<ryankan1>oki doki
02:59<bob2>I hope this isn't a production machine already
02:59<bob2>is php code always so brittle?
02:59<bob2>or is it just 5.2->5.3?
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03:01<ryankan1>In 5.3 they introduced some new stuff it seems ... Namespaces and autoloading or something like that .... Not in a position to comment on teh brittle-ness of php since the last I coded with it was 4.x in Uni :P
03:01<bob2>I've had problems with zend subtly breaking on 5.3, too
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03:02<ryankan1>Magento is built with Zend too ... so ...
03:04<nisstyre56>munik: why is larger cpu registers a bad thing?
03:05<munik>nisstyre56: Please re-read my statements before asking me such a stupid question.
03:05<ryankan1>Heh .. *grabs popcorn*
03:05<ryankan1>I saw that coming from a mile away :)
03:06*Boss burps to indicate his noble existence
03:06<munik>Nobody said 64bit was a bad thing.
03:06<munik>I said.
03:06<munik>There's a reason it's recommended that you use 32bit by Linode.
03:06<munik>There's no real gain whatsoever in a VPS envrionment.
03:07<munik>You just end up using more of your limited RAM.
03:07<munik>If you feel like that's what you want to do.
03:07<nisstyre56>I see, I just scrolled up to the part about the person disliking 32 bit
03:07<munik>Go ahead.
03:07<munik>Oh, that ignorant fuck?
03:07<munik>Run of the mill for an Arch user.
03:07*nisstyre56 uses Arch
03:07<munik>Like I said.
03:07<munik>Run of the mill for an Arch user.
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03:09<munik>Arch - The distro where everyone faps about how much ram they have and will do anything it takes to never use any of it.
03:09<bob2>ryankan1: hm
03:10<bob2>ryankan1: drop -uc and -us I a guess
03:10<ryankan1>bob2: k let me try again
03:10<nisstyre56>munik: what do you think of Gentoo users?
03:11<munik>nisstyre56: Now that much of the more retarded users have drifted to Arch, the distro is actually picking back up.
03:12<nisstyre56>munik: I think I'll switch to haiku to avoid all of these rivalries
03:12<munik>Haiku rules.
03:24<bob2>ryankan1: (it'll fail at the end because you won't be able to sign it, but it should still produce the .debs)
03:24<bob2>ryankan1: should be ok
03:28<ryankan1>bob2: Hmm... It installed well, then I added it in a new apc.ini file, it was parsed, but still no apc in my phpinfo ? :(
03:28<ryankan1> this is in apc.ini
03:28<bob2>dunno, sorry
03:29<ryankan1>bob2: ok
03:30<bob2>perhaps see what 'php5 -i | grep -i apc' says
03:30<bob2>oh, and you'll need to restart your php backend if you're using nginx
03:34<ryankan1>restarted .. oh it can't find the .so it seems!
03:34<ryankan1>PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
03:34<ryankan1>So should I just copy over the file to that 2006xxxxx directory?
03:35<bob2>hell no
03:35<bob2>dpkg -L php-apc | grep
03:36<bob2>(btw, hardy would be significantly less effort to use for this, since you wouldn't need to forward port all this stuff)
03:37<ryankan1>hardy is the 8.x LTS?
03:37<ryankan1>Package `php-apc' is not installed.
03:37<bob2>what did you install then?
03:37<bob2>at the end of the build earlier, you end up with php-apcasdfsgdfh.deb, which you need to install
03:38<bob2>sudo dpkg -i ~/php-apcasdfasdf.deb
03:38<ryankan1>yea I was kind contemplating that, but I voiced my opinion here yesterday and kinda got a REALLY odd look for wanting to get back to 8.X LTS .... kinda like there is a HUG improvement from even 9 to 10?
03:38<bob2>right, but your primary goal seems to be "how do I get this crappy php5.2-requiring thing to run"
03:39<ryankan1>efficiently :P
03:39<bob2>which is much easier when your distro includes 5.2
03:39<ryankan1>I got it to run with apache flawlesly .. but its moving at a glacial pace ...
03:39<ryankan1>I installed php-apc ... wonder why it is not showing up
03:39<bob2>nevermind, good luck
03:40<ryankan1>but it's here when i find / -name ''
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03:40<bob2>well, only you know what you did
03:41<bob2>'installed php-apc' is too vague to determine the problem
03:41<bob2>if you mean 'I installed the php-apc.deb I built 30 minutes ago', then it should be fine
03:41<bob2>if you installed it with apt-get or aptitude, that will be the problem
03:42<ryankan1>if i just copied it over to the directory and it showed up in phpinfo, am i ok ?
03:50<ryankan1>hmmm wait a sec ...
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03:52<ryankan1>bob2: YOURE A LIFESAVER!
03:53<ryankan1>bob2: I DID forget to install after building the package :S
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03:55<ryankan1>bob2: it's working now! Thanks heaps!
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04:00<ryankan1>bob2: And if I were to backtrack a little, should I go Karmic or Hardy?
04:03<amitz>8.04 is proven by the time. but iirc it will expire in 1.5 years more.
04:03<ryankan1>amitz: Hmmm ...
04:11<Clorith>G'day amitz
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04:38<Boss>hoyo hoyo hoyo...
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05:38<king_lec>Hi guys, I need to update the time my webapp is getting and I think it's related to the sytem. Do I change it in my Debian or in Linode?
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05:45<Clorith>lunch time :3
05:45<amitz>Clorith: g'day! a nice day today! ;-)
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05:56<amitz>I begin to see a pattern. Any film with the producer also doing the acting, will suck. Some grandiose syndrome problems.
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06:01<chesty>amitz: seen the room?
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06:06<amitz>chesty: luckily, it's not that bad...
06:06<amitz>not as bad as the room, as implied from the wikipedia entry.
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06:09<amitz>oh, it's doll house.
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06:14<amitz>summer can act well, but perhaps the part is not really that different with the one in firefly.
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06:18<linbot>New news from forums: Linode with 2 IPs - nginx based in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
06:20<amitz>you should write that down as a commentary on !bomb. Perhaps a frame surrounding the link.
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06:24<amitz>until nytimes decides to purge the cache.
06:28<megatron27>is NY times a rupert murdoch company
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06:29<linbot>New news from forums: Custom kernel 2.6.35-rc3 and issues with FastCGI/Django? in General Discussion <>
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06:31<amitz>murdock, the evil enemy of mcgyver.
06:33<amitz>don't know, perhaps they decide to expire the content... or just change the link... You better keep a record on the date/time of the article.
06:38<amitz>with constant link? guaranteeing no change of link forever?
06:39<amitz>perhaps they make it such that you can't link directly to it anymore. You need to access the content using.. uh... silverlight.
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06:49<linbot>amitz: Yo momma's so insecure, she gets exploited more than Roundcube! (744:19/0) [rummo]
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06:53<Nivex>that's low
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06:56<ambo>hi guys - i'm busy reading various forum posts and wiki pages about IPv6 on linode
06:57<ambo>any more recent news on native IPv6 support for linodes?
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07:21<ambo>ok - thanks
07:23<munik>mysql = grrrr
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07:29<scotd>does linode use ECC? It's not a big deal as I'm already a customer, just curious
07:30<scotd>ECC memory, I mean
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07:38<straterra>They use SuperMicro servers, so I'm sure
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07:42<TheJoe>So who's gonna be rushing to buy their .xxx domain?
07:43<Clorith>who ISN'T ?
07:43<Clorith>I need lastname.xx and
07:44<TheJoe>But no seriously
07:44<TheJoe>.xxx has been approved
07:44<Clorith>I'm also serious
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07:48<megatron27>is there a way that I can stay in an IRC room even when I'm offline
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07:48<megatron27>I frequent a chat room where most people are usually idle but eventually they'll see my question
07:48<megatron27>and answer it
07:49<Clorith>your best bet is probably irssi in a screen
07:51<megatron27>so I can run a screen on my Linode and when I login again the screen will still be there?
07:51<megatron27>do I need to use nohup or something
07:53<straterra>That's the point of screen
07:57<scotd>megatron27, you don't need to do anything special, just Ctrl-D to logout of your screen session, then 'screen -r' to log back in
07:58<scotd>Sorry, 'ctrl-a d' to log out of it
07:58<megatron27>okay thanks, I'll try that
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08:30<tdonia>anyone having packet loss issues in newark right now? we're seeing very sporadic perf across 5 linodes
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08:35<HoopyCat>seems fine to me. mtr?
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09:00<Frenk776>hi guys
09:01<thegodlikehobo>y helo thar
09:01<Frenk776>today we ha problem with reverse dns
09:01<Frenk776>using linode dns...someone experience the same problem?
09:02<munik>not i
09:02<munik>my rdns works fine
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09:02<munik>Frenk776: it'd help to specify which datacenter your node is in too
09:03<HoopyCat>Frenk776: what's the IP?
09:04<Frenk776>the ip of your dns is
09:04<HoopyCat>Frenk776: no, the IP that you're trying to look up
09:04<Frenk776>for example google
09:05<HoopyCat>Frenk776: oh! you're using the recursive resolvers; nevermind
09:06<HoopyCat> doesn't appear to have a PTR according to google's authorative nameservers
09:07<Frenk776>wrong example...sorry
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09:07<Frenk776>for example try with
09:07<Frenk776>same problem
09:07<Frenk776>and this one have ptr setup
09:08<HoopyCat>indeed, that one does have a PTR
09:08<Frenk776>Yes but if a try "host" using the dnss of before
09:09<Frenk776>goes on timeout...
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09:09<HoopyCat>Frenk776: indeed, looks like it's not resolving ptrs for me either. probably worth opening a ticket and temporarily removing that one from your /etc/resolv.conf
09:10<Frenk776>i'm going...
09:10<Frenk776>thank you
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09:15<amitz>yes, cc provider here is definitely not pro customer. Had a mysterious transaction, I have to go over loop to start a fucking investigation that won't immediately decide I'm right. fuck.
09:16<amitz>on a foreign address.
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09:23<r2>hi guys
09:23<bob2>ryankan1: hardy would be less backporting effort, but like amitz mentioned, will need to be upgraded sooner
09:23<r2>any idea what would cause a pile up of mysql sessions stuck in the "connecting"/"login" state on a linode private ip?
09:23<bob2>I'd hope magneto is fixed by then tho ;)
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09:35<Frenk776>damn appear that this problem it's more than on one dns...
09:35<Frenk776>i have a lot of vpss that us this one and is not very cool...
09:36<r2>...or is a lot of connecting/login processes normal after startup, because the session tables are not in the query cache, or somesuch?
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09:39<jackson_>jed, so LPM_DISPLAYGROUP is just a single group, right? no lists?
09:40<jackson_>there isn't a place i could stuff some extra metadata on a node is there? like add a groups property
09:41<amitz>I fucked up, heh. It's a legitimate transaction. But my point is still valid.
09:41*amitz hides inside the deepest part of a cave due to embarassment.
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09:42<HoopyCat>jackson_: i'll go to hell for suggesting this, but i've been known to stash things in a specially-crafted DNS zone
09:44<jackson_>so do something like create DNS zones as groups and stuff the members in MASTER_IPS
09:45<@caker>jackson_: about the only place is the notes field on the configuration profile
09:45<@caker>the displayGroup is only for grouping Linodes on the main Linodes tab, for display :)
09:45<HoopyCat>jackson_: or create a zone like bobsfishandtackle.local, with groupname.bobsfishandtackle.local. IN A, IN A, etc... or IN TXT for something more freeform
09:45<HoopyCat>this is what happens when they tell me to think of the DNS as a very large distributed database
09:46<jackson_>caker, thanks
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09:46<HoopyCat>i heard caker likes json, so you might want to try putting json in the notes field...
09:47<@mikegrb>mmm cake
09:47<Clorith>I heard cake lieks frosting
09:47<Clorith>Exactly, mikegrb!
09:47<jackson_>using config.Comments might work although it adds another call
09:47<@caker>what data are you trying to associate with each Linode?
09:48<@caker>could a special labeling convention work here? Like VIN codes or something?
09:49<jackson_>caker, well, I am messing around with adding a Groups field so you could query across multiple providers for a single group. so something like `give me all my linodes, ec2 instances, ect : where n.Group == "webserver"
09:49<jackson_>i was thinking about using the label too, but my API does allow for resetting that
09:50<jackson_>and i find easy to read names have kept me from deleting the wrong node a couple of times :)
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09:54<jackson_>caker, maybe this use case is just dumb though. i came up with it while heavily jet lagged
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09:57<macg>any reason why the phone number on the linode website doesn't work?
09:57<jackson_>reduce support load?
09:57<@caker>macg: I just tried it and it worked fine
09:58<orudie>mail.warn log says postfix/smtpd[20712]: warning: database /etc/postfix/access.db is older than source file /etc/postfix/access
09:58<orudie>any ideas ?
09:58<ibanez7>who am i to ask for my account activation?
09:58<macg>609. 593. 7103?
09:58<chesty>postmap /etc/postfix/access
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09:59<@caker>macg: yup - what happens when you call it?
09:59<linbot>New news from forums: Short session timeout on forums in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
10:00<macg>I swear it didn't work yesterday. sorry.
10:00<guinea-pig>did you dial 1 first?
10:00*guinea-pig runs
10:00<chesty>did you dial 555 first, like in the tv?
10:02*macg feels stupid
10:02<macg>thanks guys
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10:09<ibanez7>how long does it takes for a new (first time) account activation?
10:10<@caker>ibanez7: you're all set - welcome aboard!
10:10<ibanez7>yipiee.. just got the email too
10:10<ibanez7>thx caker
10:14<MarkJ>Welcome to the rockin' linode community ibanez7 :)
10:14*praetorian doof doof doof
10:15<praetorian>makes sense
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10:17<jackson_>caker, sooooo do you think a linode.userdata property would be considered?
10:17<ibanez7>hey thx MarkJ ;)
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10:30<peter646>hey guys, are there any tutorials that explain how to set up an ipsec vpn on my ubuntu linode ?
10:30<HoopyCat>jackson_: for what it's worth, i'd whip up a nifty dns-based mechanism to do that using, but i'm afraid it'd come back to haunt me if i ever ran for public office
10:31<HoopyCat>peter646: might be a start
10:32<jackson_>HoopyCat, well your method does seem intriguing
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10:33<amitz>I just realized. People can come to the stadium, record the show, and stream them online for a profit...
10:34<cmayo>i am requesting a rate of pay increase from my current boss (i make 15/hr). anybody have any suggestions, or mind reading my email before i send it?
10:34<cmayo>it's for a web dev job i am doing
10:35<amitz>you can make a comparison to a baseline, how what (s)he thought you could do is less than what you're doing now?
10:36<HoopyCat>"The Opportunities for Very Eccentric Russians Lacking Original Apple Designs Despite Negligible Supervision Act--" "Umm, one question for the distinguished Senator from the great state of New York... why are all of your bills named 'The OVERLOAD DNS Act'?"
10:36<HoopyCat>cmayo: one vote for "don't send an e-mail"
10:36<amitz>HoopyCat: and that is something you read or it's your other personality imprinted on you.
10:37<HoopyCat>(note: i'm getting old, since i already got laughed off of the interwebs once this month for suggesting "put on a nice shirt and pants and go deliver the resume to their office")
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10:38<HoopyCat>((apparently that's not how hiring works these days. back in my day--
10:38<amitz>nothing reveals more information than a good old physical stalking.. of a company.
10:38*HoopyCat gets jolted by 50,000 volts of electricity
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10:39<HoopyCat>cmayo: do you regularly see your boss face-to-face?
10:40<amitz>most companies have a location they usually hang out for coffee/smoking break.
10:40<cmayo>HoopyCat: she's in washington dc for the week
10:40<amitz>cmayo: woah, I thought you're doing remote job. Can you afford to wait for her?
10:40<HoopyCat>amitz: and see, that's what i say. be nice to the office manager/receptionist/whatever they call the person sitting out front, because they are the gatekeeper
10:41<amitz>HoopyCat: very true.
10:42<HoopyCat>amitz: you want to be that "yeah, he seems like a nice guy" guy, not the "oh, that douchebag?" guy. remember, the front desk person needs to get stuff done too, and to get it done, they will trade information with other departments
10:42<cmayo>amitz: no, it's a job at harvard, but she is in washington dc at meeting this week. no, because she wants work done NOW and i refuse to work until i meet with her
10:43<amitz>cmayo: oh, sorry, Boohemian -_-. I forgot :-p
10:45<HoopyCat>cmayo: hmm. well, she may or may not have authority/budget to increase the pay rate appreciably, but for a few days' delay, i'd personally pick the route of "wait for the meeting and do the work at the current rate" vs. "run the risk of getting $0/hr"
10:46<amitz>cmayo: how tech literate is she anyway?
10:46<cmayo>HoopyCat: i'm willing to walk
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10:47<amitz>are you more concerned with the total income you get from her per week, or literally the rate per hour?
10:48<HoopyCat>cmayo: is this "normal" work or FWS? how would this impact future employment status within the university?
10:48<cmayo>normal work, not federal work study
10:49<HoopyCat>cmayo: why is there so much disgusting crap in my keyboard?
10:49<HoopyCat>cmayo: err, wait, disregard that
10:51<HoopyCat>sorry, just got a faked e-mail from the IT department wanting to know the serial number of my keyboard and i fell for it
10:52<amitz>that's a deep conspiracy...
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10:53<amitz>HoopyCat: oh wait, a fake email to teach you not to trust fake email?
10:53<HoopyCat>cmayo: my technical writing book doesn't seem to have anything on this topic, alas, or i'd quote from it
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10:57<peter646>i have another question, ubuntu keeps displaying apt-get installers in japanese, I'm guessing because it is using some geolocation stuff and knows I'm in japan, whats hte easiest way to override this to have the installers back in english ?
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11:01<HoopyCat>peter646: hmm? pastebin an example of what you're seeing?
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11:07<daevien>mornin hoopy, any more runaway shelves today?
11:09*snubby smirks
11:10<peter646>for sudo apt-get install openswan
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11:11<HoopyCat>peter646: that's ssh'd directly to your linode and not through lish, right?
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11:12<amitz>it's difficult to find the balance between "I should try to help despite limited knowledge" and "better let the more capable handles it" -_-
11:12<HoopyCat>peter646: "echo $TERM" and "echo $LANG" ... i wonder if it's coming in from your local environment
11:13<HoopyCat>daevien: nothing too exciting over here. is your refrigerator running this fine summer morning?
11:13<peter646>xterm and language is blank
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11:15<HoopyCat>ah, there's the command i was looking for
11:15<HoopyCat>peter646: what does "locale" say?
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11:17<peter646>i'm not quite sure but $LOCALE and $locale are both blank
11:18<JshWright>no, run `locale`
11:18<peter646>ohh POSIX
11:18<peter646>they all say POSIX except LC_ALL=<blank> and LANG=<blank>
11:19<HoopyCat>try apt-get install language-support-en ... that should break the tie
11:20<peter646>wow :) 149 megs ... here goes nothing
11:20<peter646>hahaha the installer for that apt-get is in japanese too
11:20<peter646>go figure
11:21<HoopyCat>i think you've just got something bottled up in the configuration queue :-)
11:21<peter646>i appreciate your help hoopycat, i think i'll just have a go tomorrow from the lish
11:21<peter646>it should perhaps be stupid enough to think i'm coming from america ?
11:22<HoopyCat>peter646: i have no idea why it's feeding you japanese, since there's nothing in particular telling it to do so
11:22<linbot>New news from forums: Good failover techniques on Linode? in General Discussion <>
11:22<peter646>or maybe its trying ot display english text using some wierd escaped font set
11:22<HoopyCat>peter646: worse comes to worse, fix unicode support and find someone who reads japanese :-)
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11:24<daevien>HoopyCat: my fridge is home relaxing while i work on 5 computers at once
11:26<HoopyCat>daevien: dizzam
11:28<linbot>New news from forums: My linode blocked? in General Discussion <>
11:29<peter646>thanks a bunch hoopy :) i'll have a go later on.
11:29<peter646>ok guys have a good day!
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11:29<HoopyCat>peter646: good luck! :-)
11:29<daevien>HoopyCat: yeah, the joys of being the only computer tech here... i have to deal with everything that comes in. i currently have 30+ open tickets in various stages
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11:31<amitz>daevien: ask them to fill a long form, asked in such a way that they may solve their own ticket ;-)
11:31<amitz>before filing a ticket.
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11:33<amitz>that was half joking btw.
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11:34<daevien>make it 6 on the go, all urgent of course. customers = annoying. co-workers that all promise you will have stuff done at the same time = worse
11:34<daevien>i dont have that option amitz, unfortunately
11:35<amitz>yeah, I recall again, you work in retail. Customers are the king -_-, they can't be bothered to fill a long form.
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11:39<megatron27>amitz, Luna Maya 2010
11:43<daevien>amitz: yeah. and co-workers making stupid promises
11:43<linbot>New news from forums: Custom kernel 2.6.35-rc3 and issues with FastCGI/Django? in General Discussion <>
11:46<amitz>megatron27: oh, thanks! :-p
11:47<amitz>megatron27: have you set up irssi+screen?
11:48<megatron27>I'm too lazy
11:49<amitz>it worths it. Many smaller channels will eventually answer. But you will have to wait many hours....
11:50<megatron27>can mibbit do this?
11:50<Clorith>mibbit is evil
11:50<megatron27>I really don't want to use my linode for IRC
11:51<megatron27>because all my work is there
11:51<Clorith>get a 2nd one
11:51<amitz>megatron27: do you fear the possible security hole orthe load?
11:53<megatron27>yeah, I don't want to expose the machine so much
11:53<megatron27>problem is that they usually won't bother answering if you leave the chat room
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11:54<HoopyCat>tough to bother answering someone after they leave :-)
11:54<Clorith>Well, there's not much use answering someone that's left :P
11:55<daevien>grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. working on 6 computers and can't even get someone to help me when they have nothign on the go by calling a diff customer to tell them the cost to fix theirs *sigh*
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11:56<HoopyCat>for love
11:57<amitz>for something more instinctive HoopyCat :-D
11:57<amitz>I'll finally be one of the in group, in the next 24 minutes.
11:58<HoopyCat>make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop.
11:59<amitz>you haven't set up the path to love.
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12:00<megatron27>amitz, nice
12:01<amitz>megatron27: anyway, some of the links are taken by down DMCA. wtf, DMCA is so.....far reaching.
12:01<megatron27>links to what
12:01<hl3fx>hi, im looking for some guidance to do the following.
12:01<@caker>hl3fx: not going to happen.
12:01<amitz>to your hint.
12:01<cmayo>sent off the email, asked for $75/hr
12:01<hl3fx>i see, no guidance or the setup?
12:02<@caker>hl3fx: you can only boot between profiles; only one can run at a time. To run multiple VMs you need multiple Linodes
12:02<hl3fx>ah, i see. thank you for the help!
12:02<hl3fx>: )
12:03<cmayo>amitz: wanna see the letter i sent?
12:03<cmayo>see where i screwed up :)
12:03<amitz>cmayo: I'd love too. Example always good, for future reference. :-)
12:04<megatron27>how did you come with $75/hour
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12:04<cmayo>megatron27: considered the report by lullabot that most firms charge between 125-175/hr
12:04<megatron27>come up**
12:04<cmayo>just got an email back
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12:05<sadiq__>is it just "lol"?
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12:05<cmayo>she claims i blackmailed her
12:05<cmayo>but is willing to increase my rate of pay
12:05<sadiq>I'm not sure that word means what she thinks it means.
12:06<linbot>New news from forums: Level 4 PCI compliance when not storing credit card numbers in General Discussion <>
12:06<megatron27>my company charges more than my monthly salary for two days of work by one engineer :-)
12:07<amitz>or that's a negotiation move....
12:08<amitz>my old company charges more than my monthly salary for two hours of work by one engineer...
12:12<amitz>and that's probably the lowest rate they charged.. So yeah, in restropect I was seriously underpaid.
12:13<sadiq>_someone_ is really getting ripped off in that equation.
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12:17<amitz>the equation was more complicated than that. unfortunately I can't clarify. But one thing for sure. It was pretty fucked up.
12:18<JshWright>cmayo: if anything that's extortion, not balckmail
12:18<ssteinerX>i can understand overhead, but if overhead means they charge 1 monthly salary for 2 hours work, costs are "a little high"
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12:20<ssteinerX>huh, just looked up the difference between extortion and blackmail
12:21<amitz>ssteinerX: oh, more context. It's a company from a developed country operating in a 3rd world country using 3rd world engineers.
12:21<munik>blackmail doesn't always entail money or gain
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12:38<daevien>for the work i'm doing right now with all the systems, they are charging about 10 times more than they are paying me
12:39<daevien>well, prob a bitmore actually since some o fthem won't take hte whole time an di'll swap those out for new ones
12:39<daevien>hence, why i'm trying to get diff job elsewhere :p
12:48<amitz>I actually think 10 times is a reasonable ratio. -_-
12:49<HoopyCat>tools, equipment, insurance, HVAC, utilities, accounts receivable management, taking care of taxes/permits/etc...
12:51<HoopyCat>plus, simply put, their goal is to maximize the spread between what it costs them and what customers will pay. if they didn't, they'd be screwing their shareholders :-)
12:51<amitz>but then I don't know the the cost of doing business there for retail fixing and how much the list HoopyCat'smentioned affect the bottom line, risk wise and overhead cost wise.
12:52<amitz>so I guess we should by the stock of that company when we can afford it :-p
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12:57<daevien>i use my own tools & equipment cause they are too cheap to buy me anything or the shop tools walk off..
12:57<daevien>and i have literally a corner between some offices as a work space, big enough to put two desktop cases and i havce to mount monitors to the wall to have any other room
12:58<amitz>daevien: if you faced the customesr often enough, have you considered setting up your own shop?
12:58<daevien>currently i'm doing a backup throughmy own personal laptop & hard drive dock.. another is running spinrite quick check off of my legit copy to check if a drive is faulty, etc
12:58<daevien>amitz: been there done that. it's rough in this town cause everyone and their dog runs a shop and it's not steady
12:58<daevien>it's only a small town
12:59<daevien>but yeah, i'm debating doing it again. just a lot of headache
13:01<amitz>yeah, I knowwhat you mean. More money -> more headache potential.
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13:02<amitz>You can probably sprint? Commit like a few years for headache then sell the business. Or you can let someone manage the business instead (and pay him/her pea) :-p
13:04<amitz>or build the business with someone who likes headache but no money.
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13:07<amitz>there is a merit to building a business with the so called "manager who can't contribute any technical skill whatsoever".
13:07<linbot>New news from forums: IPv6 for the DNS servers in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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13:11<Nivex>funny, I was just thinking about IPv6 DNS servers for linode the other day
13:12<draginx> im following the directions from linode's library...
13:12<draginx>why am I getting permission denied even with sudo? :(
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13:12<HoopyCat>Nivex: nsd: little, yellow, different
13:13<Nivex>HoopyCat: exsqueeze me?
13:13<HoopyCat>draginx: /usr/bin/php-fastcgi might not be +x
13:14<draginx>HoopyCat: chmod +x and still permission denied :(
13:14<HoopyCat>Nivex: dig ns, investigate the odd one out :-)
13:14<jforman>caker: that youtube video is only funny with the vuvuzela's turned on
13:14<draginx>wait thee it goes! :D thanks
13:14<HoopyCat>draginx: np :-)
13:15<draginx>HoopyCat: idk if ur familiar with cherokee but i think its generally the same (for this question) in regards to fcgi altogether....but im currently using cherokee and was wondering if using this spawn-fcgi script would increse performance over just doing php-fcgi command line?
13:15<draginx>err not throgh command line but through just php-fcgi
13:15<@caker>draginx: itym u'r
13:16<draginx>HoopyCat: any ideas? :p
13:16<draginx>guys over at #cherokee are non responsive (big surprise :P)
13:18<kermie>Hi. Thanks for the RAM upgrade! I just rebooted to take advantage of it and my VPS froze to the point that I couldn't even use lish to log in. I rebooted again and the system came back up. I wonder if dallas114 I'm on is having some problems or if it was just a one time glitch in the matrix.
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13:21<malex>kermie->malex here. Anyway, should I file a ticket to have someone look at dallas114 just in case or should I just not worry since the second reboot seems to have gone well?
13:23<@caker>malex: that host looks fine to me
13:23<@caker>malex: looking at your console log, your Linode was performing an fsck and you were too impatient, looks like?
13:24<malex>caker: thanks. I suppose it was a glitch due to the RAM upgrade then? fsck was clean and the system (debian stable) seems fine after the second reboot.
13:24<@caker>malex: no, there was no glitch.
13:24<malex>caker: I waited until fsck was done I believe - at least lish messages showed that it was done.
13:24<malex>Anyway, it's back up and much faster now that it's not as memory starved. Thanks for the great service!
13:25<@caker>looks like it was a successful boot from what I can see (and I only have logs to go on...)
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13:27<malex>Yes, the second boot looks normal. I don't know how I caused the first one to freeze, but considering the usual 200-300 day uptimes that is not a big deal. Thanks again!
13:28<daevien>ugh manager took computer course but has no experience. now he's trying to be useful and giving braindead solutions to problems
13:30<HoopyCat>draginx: i don't think there's necessarily much of a performance difference between the two. i use spawn-fcgi simply because that's what i use.
13:31<draginx>do u use cherokee?
13:33<HoopyCat>draginx: nope, lighttpd. i also admin a couple nginx boxes, 'tho i haven't gotten too heavy into those
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13:34<HoopyCat>only boxes in my jurisdiction with php stuff are lighttpd and apache
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13:40<draginx>Anyone here use cherokee? It just bricked my webserver :( thats what i get fo rtrying to mess with it
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13:42<d-b>draginx: it has a gui lol
13:42<d-b>what could you have possibly have broken?
13:42<draginx>this is true, but the gui sucks a lot
13:42<d-b>draginx: this is also true
13:42<draginx>i cant stop the server or start it in the gui
13:42<draginx>their javascript is horrible
13:42<d-b>that and ssl failure - is why i won't touch the thing
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13:42<d-b>yes apache is a pig, no lighttpd is ok
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13:43<jsut|work>anyone know if you can apply the coupons from yapc to an existing account or not?
13:43<d-b>draginx: can't you remove the config and 'start again' ?
13:43<draginx>wouldnt really want to tbh
13:43<d-b>just use apache or lighttpd or nginx...
13:44<d-b>i know the gui sounds like a good idea but when it doesn't work
13:44<d-b>it is is freaking impossible to debug
13:44<draginx>im mostly using it for its speed
13:45<d-b>their tests are dated
13:45<d-b>i would like to see new tests
13:47<draginx>so u think cherokee is slower now?
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13:48<nisstyre56>so, a .xxx tld
13:48<JshWright>jsut|work: pretty sure you can
13:48<jsut|work>i was clicking around the interface and i couldn't figure out how to do it.
13:48<jsut|work>it's easy if you're adding another linode though
13:49<JshWright>jsut|work: open a ticket, I suspect it's a somewhat manual process
13:49<jsut|work>i'll pass that info along
13:50<@caker>jsut|work: only when adding a Linode
13:50<jsut|work>do they expire?
13:50<@caker>they do - but you have a few months
13:50<jsut|work>that should be plenty
13:51<jsut|work>(of time)
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13:58<linbot>New news from forums: BOTs attack in Performance and Tuning <>
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14:11<tonyyarusso>Is it possible to create other types of DNS records with the Linode interface? For instance, SPF?
14:11<@caker>SPF is a TXT record, no?
14:12<tonyyarusso>It used to be, but that practice is deprecated.
14:13<tonyyarusso>PTR and LOC are the other two I might be interested in.
14:15<d-b>caker: yes
14:15<d-b>spf will also break your email if you get it wrong
14:18<tonyyarusso>If the answer is no, then I would request that ability to add arbitrary records be added to the manager :)
14:23<d-b>tonyyarusso: domain keys is what you really want
14:24<tonyyarusso>d-b: could you elaborate?
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15:09<kronos003>anyone use fedora 13 in here?
15:09<kronos003>with f13 is the NM_CONTROLLED=no parameter required in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br0
15:09<kronos003>i was told that netmanager could handle bridging and was better better able to cope - as such can i let it control those interfaces?
15:12<amitz>job ad: "Sales for genuine software".....
15:16<amitz>...heh, a job on an obscure software I developed. The world is funny that way...
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15:51<CaptainBriney>Anyone know of an awesome handheld HD video camera? I'm looking at a Canon Vixia right now
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15:57<chris6>i'm curious - anyone know why universe repositories aren't enabled by default?
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15:57<@caker>that's how Ubuntu does it by default
15:58<chris6>is it a security thing?
15:58<@caker>universe is community maintained software, so it's stuff they don't officially provide support for
15:58<amitz>universe is not scrutinized well in term of security update, IIRC.
15:59<amitz>caker seems to be more accurate.
15:59<chris6>cool, interesting. thanks
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16:00<@pparadis>as of ubuntu 10.04, most repos are actually enabled by default
16:00<@pparadis>but an admin might change that, so we always tell people to check just to be sure
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16:23<alnr>is spf dead? it does seem like it
16:24<mendel>not judging by the number of people that don't accept freshbooks-generated mail because of too-strict spf records
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16:27<amitz>do you know plenty of people getting a work visa doing IT consulting (instead of programming)?
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16:30<amitz>put it another way, which way will get you a work visa easier? IT consulting or programming?
16:36<mdcollins>So, anyone have an open tech support/IT gofer jobs?
16:37<amitz>new term, gofer. I learn new things in #linode periodically.
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16:39<Clorith>IT gofer...heh
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16:44<mdcollins>Or IT lackey.. I'll start at the bottom if I have to.
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16:44<CaptainBriney>I feel like gofer is lower than lackey.
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16:51<Runar>I'm having some trouble with Norwegian characters in bash, and I have no idea where to start. Any tips?
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16:55<grawity>Runar: How about 'locale -a'?
16:56<grawity>Runar: Okay, so export LANG='en_US.utf8'
16:56<grawity>Runar: then 'exec bash'
16:56<grawity>Runar: It might start working.
16:56<grawity>Runar: Although your terminal emulator (GNOME Terminal, PuTTY, whatever) must also be configured for UTF-8.
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16:58<HoopyCat>(and feel free to install language-support-no for additional norwegian-specific experiences)
16:59<grawity>Runar: If the problem is fixed, check /etc/default/locale
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16:59<grawity>(on Debian, at least)
16:59<Runar>It seems to be working!
16:59<Runar>There is no /etc/default/locale
16:59<bryen_>quick question folks: I know there was talk about Linode adding some kind of backup services a while back. Has that been implemented yet?
17:00<grawity>Runar: What distro?
17:01<grawity>Runar: Such settings are _very_ distro-specific...
17:01<Clorith>so awesome
17:01<grawity>(file locations, I mean)
17:01<Runar>grawity: Ubuntu 10.04
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17:02<Runar>I have to do the export-command every time I log on
17:02<grawity>Runar: Hrm. What if you create /etc/default/locale and put LANG='en_US.utf8' in it?
17:02<grawity>Runar: Maybe that would set it automatically.
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17:03<Runar>Hmm, so far it's working.
17:03<grawity>Is it set automatically when you log in?
17:03<bryen_>Thanks CaptainBriney
17:03<Runar>Indeed it is
17:04<Runar>Irssi seems to be working too, no more funny responses when I type uppercase Norwegian characters.
17:04<Runar>Thank you for your help, Sir!
17:04<Clorith>norwegian miss contestant are stupid "What is the Nile?" "Norways longest river!"...riiight
17:05<grawity>Clorith: At least they know it's a river.
17:05<Runar>She's a blonde, Clorith
17:05<grawity>Runar: Now you might even want no_NO.utf8 if you want Norwegian messages in programs
17:06<Runar>Good idea!
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17:08<metap|pe>awk help plz:
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17:09<Clorith>Runar: they're all blonde :|
17:09<Clorith>miss competitions are so overrated...the girls are always sickingly skinny you'd think they hardly know what food looks like
17:10<Clorith>as they parade around showing off their skeletons and tryign ot be the one to show the most skin without being "offensive"
17:10<HoopyCat>food is the devil i must purge from my body!
17:10<TheJoe>Digested food, specificallyu
17:10<TheJoe>Real food is awesome
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17:10<HoopyCat>metap|pe: what're you trying to get out of it?
17:11<metap|pe>the value of xxx from 'id=xxx'
17:11<metap|pe>somehow i keep getting a '1' prepended
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17:12<Runar>Clorith: It's a sick world
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17:13<Keithl>i need helpo
17:13<linbot>Keithl: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
17:13<chris6>i can't help but think of alpo when i see helpo
17:13<Keithl>i need help
17:13<chris6>nothing to be sorry aboutr
17:14<chris6>what do you need help with?
17:14<ericoc>what's the problem?
17:15<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
17:15<Keithl>i downloaded apache i configed it and SQL and PHP and i downloaded mediawiki and i still got the page that says IT works!
17:15<grawity>metap|pe: echo 'foo id=123 bar' | perl -ne '/id=([0-9]+)/ and print $1;'
17:15<chris6>keithl: is this online?
17:15<metap|pe>sweet, thx.
17:15<Keithl>yes sorry
17:16<HoopyCat>metap|pe: it looks to be in the sub()
17:16<Keithl>so? wat can i do
17:16<chris6>can we see the output?
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17:17<@pparadis>what's the domain name?
17:17<@pparadis>your site's virtual host configuration is located under /etc/apache2/sites-available/ right?
17:17<metap|pe>HoopyCat: yeah, probably. I've tried capturing and not capping the return val of the sub, no difference
17:18<Keithl> and no its not HACKING ITS COMPUTER TECH
17:18<@pparadis>Keithl: if so, please make sure you issued the commands "a2ensite [yoursite]" and "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload"
17:18<@pparadis>CAPS ARE RUDE please use lowercase where possible :)
17:19<Clorith>Keithl: you sound like you are another oen of them "hackers are evil" people *sigh*
17:19<grawity>Hacking _is_ computer tech. And if it's not hacking... why call yourselves 'hackers' then?
17:19<Clorith>stupid misconceptions by the mass media >_>
17:19<Keithl>a2ensite it says it inables
17:19<Clorith>grawity: thank you!
17:19<@pparadis>while i agree with the differentiation between hackers and crackers, let's stick to the problem at hand for now :)
17:20<@pparadis>that too
17:20<metap|pe>HoopyCat: thx
17:20<Clorith>Keithl: try disabling "default" and reloading
17:20<@pparadis>Clorith: hold off on that
17:20<Clorith>Really? Okies then
17:20<HoopyCat>Keithl: which distribution are you running, and which instructions are you following to set things up? pastebin the contents of /etc/apache2/sites-available/ too, if you could
17:20<@pparadis>Keithl: please provide the contents of your Apache vhost configuration file here:
17:21<@pparadis>following this -->
17:21<kronos003>it seems like in fedora 13 i have to stop networkmanager and start network to make bridging work - is there a better way? i would like to keep network manager for my wifi stuff
17:21*grawity 's been nicknamed "the hacker" at school :( Fortunately for them, it does not mean "someone who carries a hacksaw".
17:21*HoopyCat steals pparadis' thunder
17:21<Keithl>its a dot?
17:22<Keithl>i put find
17:22<Keithl>and then i shows
17:22<@pparadis>Keithl: try "cat /etc/apache2/sites-available/"
17:22<@pparadis>and paste the output to
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17:23<HoopyCat>kronos003: "people who use linode", "people who use fedora", "people who use fedora on non-linode systems", "people who use bridging", and "people who use networkmanager" is probably not going to be a very excellent venn diagram, alas
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17:23<Keithl>cat /etc/apache2/sites-available/ i did and it says it is a directory
17:23<@pparadis>that should not be a directory
17:24<kronos003>HoopyCat: i know - its not for a linode - but i asked in here because a fair number of friendly net admins seem to be here
17:24<Keithl>how do i delete it
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17:24<@pparadis>Keithl: please paste the output of "ls /etc/apache2/sites-available/"
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17:24<@pparadis>make that "ls -a /etc/apache2/sites-available/"
17:26<HoopyCat>kronos003: nod... just figured i'd let you know your odds probably ain't good. :-) you MIGHT be able to sneak something under networkmanager's nose, but it tends to be rather totalitarian
17:26<Keithl>. apache2.conf envvars magic mods-enabled sites-available
17:26<Keithl>.. conf.d httpd.conf mods-available ports.conf sites-enabled
17:27<@pparadis>did you copy the command verbatim as i wrote it?
17:27<@pparadis>because that will not produce that output
17:27<kronos003>HoopyCat: got an answer in fedora on freenode - looks like the answer is tell netmanager to ignore eth0
17:27<Keithl>i did to the ls -a
17:27<@pparadis>not as i asked
17:27<@pparadis>please do exactly this: "ls -a /etc/apache2/sites-available/"
17:28<Keithl>it shows
17:28<Keithl>root@localhost:/etc/apache2# ls -a /etc/apache2/sites-available/
17:28<Keithl>. default-ssl
17:28<Keithl>.. default
17:28<@pparadis>that's better :)
17:28<@pparadis>okay, so you need to issue the command "a2ensite"
17:28<@pparadis>as a first thing to try, at least
17:28<@pparadis>followed by "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload"
17:28<@pparadis>actually wait
17:29<@pparadis>you do not need two files for your site
17:29<Keithl>pache2: Syntax error on line 235 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on
17:29<Keithl>e2/sites-enabled/ </VirtualHost> without matching <Virtual
17:29<@pparadis>you have both "" and "", which is not required nor advised
17:29<Keithl>how do i delete
17:29<Keithl>im new to vps
17:29<Keithl>so sorry
17:30<@pparadis>"rm /etc/apache2/sites-available/"
17:30<@pparadis>"nano /etc/apache2/sites-available/"
17:30<@pparadis>and make sure the contents resemble the first example shown here:
17:31<@pparadis>(replacing the example domain with, and replacing the example ip address with your linode's ip address)
17:31<@pparadis>"/etc/init.d/apache2 restart"
17:31<Keithl>i did that
17:32<@pparadis>Keithl: apache is not responding on your linode now
17:32<Clorith>awwww, I lvoe you too yaakov
17:32<Keithl>i know
17:32<@pparadis>did you see error messages displayed in your console?
17:32<Keithl>i resarted
17:32<@pparadis>no, i mean apache isn't running now
17:32<@pparadis>error messages?
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17:32<chris6>question: how long does it take before an A/AAAA record is active?
17:33<@pparadis>depends on what the TTL on it was before if it existed before
17:33<@pparadis>also, zones are regenerated every 15 minutes
17:33<@pparadis>but caching may also affect it
17:33<Keithl>this isnt working
17:33<@pparadis>Keithl: do you have any error messages in the console after you issue the command "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" ?
17:34<Keithl>i reasarted the server
17:34<@pparadis>the linode itself you mean?
17:34<Keithl>no apace
17:34<Keithl>linode it slef
17:34<@pparadis>that is not necessary
17:34<Keithl>now what
17:35<@pparadis>log back into your linode, issued the restart apache command again, and paste any output you see after that to
17:36<Keithl>all i see is the main screen
17:36<@pparadis>what are you looking at?
17:36<@pparadis>what do you mean "main screen"?
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17:37<HoopyCat>Keithl: what do you see at the bottom of that window?
17:38<Keithl>the jobs and the graphs
17:38<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, how did you get to the root prompt where you were typing commands before?
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17:40<HoopyCat>Keithl: were you using a program called PuTTY?
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17:40<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, start that again and connect to your linode; it will be waiting for you
17:41<tanto>anyone here using puppet?
17:42<tanto>or perhaps a better question, how are you guys managing very many linux servers?
17:42<Deckert>tanto: puppet is the way to go for that
17:42<Keithl>i connected again
17:42<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, what do you have on your screen now?
17:42<Keithl>samee thiong
17:43<Keithl>the samething from when i closed putt
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17:43<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, what's the last line say (the one with the cursor)?
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17:44<Keithl>Last login: Fri Jun 25 21:33:08 UTC 2010 on hvc0
17:44<Keithl>Linux localhost 2.6.34-x86_64-linode13 #2 SMP Wed Jun 23 18:54:41 UTC 2010 x86_64
17:44<Keithl>To access official Ubuntu documentation, please visit:
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17:46<TWK>HELP! My linode is frozen. Can't SSH in. Trying to LISH in but it's not responding.
17:46<CaptainBriney>TWK: did you try rebooting it from the web interface?
17:46<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, type this: cat /etc/apache2/sites-available/
17:46<HoopyCat>Keithl: then copy/paste what comes up into the pastebin at
17:46<path>pastebin is really cool
17:47<HoopyCat>Keithl: (if the pastebin comes up with a username/password box, the username is "no" and the password is "spam")
17:47<TWK>Captain: A Linode staff once told me to come into chat before rebooting
17:47<TWK>just in case this might be a recurring problem
17:48<TWK>How can I tell which process is hogging disk I/O?
17:48<CaptainBriney>TWK: I would try rebooting if you're not afraid of disrupting anything. up to you. I don't think anyone else is having that problem.
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17:49<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, now hit your enter key and then copy and paste everything that comes up to
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17:50<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, now do: ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-available/
17:50<HoopyCat>Keithl: and again, copy/paste everything that comes up to
17:50<path>TWK, when you use lish.. you don't see any errors on the screen?
17:51<Keithl>it says total 0
17:51<TWK>path: yeah.. bunch of SMTP erros
17:51<TWK>which is weird.. im not sending any emails
17:51<path>you running a mail server?
17:52<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok... this will delete the directory and let you create a file there: rmdir /etc/apache2/sites-available/
17:52<chris6>hmmmm....guess we'll see, but the nslookup oddly enough points to a completely different IP for the subdomain i just added
17:53<HoopyCat>Keithl: if all goes well, it won't say anything, it'll just give you the root@localhost prompt again
17:53<Keithl>it did
17:53<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, good. now, type this: nano /etc/apache2/sites-available/
17:53<Keithl>by the website isnt work
17:53<HoopyCat>Keithl: that will open a text editor
17:53<Keithl>it wornt conttcy
17:54<HoopyCat>Keithl: there's still a little more work to do
17:54<Keithl>its blank?
17:54<Keithl>i put it in
17:54<Keithl>thats why she said.
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17:55<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, now go to and copy/paste the contents of the first example there ( into the nano window
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17:57<Keithl>now wat
17:58<HoopyCat>Keithl: on the first line, change it to read: <VirtualHost>
17:58<Keithl>i did
17:58<TWK>path: nope..
17:58<Keithl>i changed it all
17:58<HoopyCat>Keithl: and on the rest of the lines, change every "" to ""
17:59<path>TWK, i wouldn't be surprised if your vps got broken into by some spammer
17:59<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, type ctrl-x and hit "y" when it says "Save modified buffer", then hit enter when it asks you File Name to Write
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18:00<mdcollins>TWK, if you dont mind, post the contents of "ps -ef" as root at
18:00<HoopyCat>Keithl: now, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
18:01<Keithl> * Restarting web server apache2 apache2: Syntax error on line 235 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ No such file or directory
18:01<mdcollins>I should say post the output of the command..
18:01<Keithl>it failed
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18:02<HoopyCat>hmm, what's the command in apache to disable a site? a2dissite?
18:02<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, type: a2dissite
18:02<@pparadis>but it shouldn't be listed in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf anyhow
18:02<@pparadis>a2ensite creates a symlink to sites-enabled
18:02<HoopyCat>pparadis: i'm wondering if that's the Include line
18:02<TWK>OK.......... so my VPS is back
18:02<HoopyCat>pparadis: i'm assuming it is, at least :-)
18:03<TWK>how do i permanently remove MTA/sendmail?
18:03<path>apt-get remove sendmail
18:03<Keithl>root@localhost:~# ^C
18:03<Keithl>root@localhost:~# ^C
18:03<Keithl>root@localhost:~# a2dissite
18:03<Keithl>Site disabled.
18:03<Keithl>Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 reload' to activate new configuration!
18:03<Keithl>root@localhost:~# ^C
18:03<Keithl>root@localhost:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
18:03<mdcollins>TWK, probably using your package manager. What distro?
18:03<Keithl>apache2: Syntax error on line 235 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ No such file or directory
18:03<TWK>mdcollins: ubuntu 8.04 LTS
18:03<TWK>yes i know.. outdated
18:03<TWK>but im scared of upgrading
18:04<@pparadis>Keithl: that error message is telling you to check line 235 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
18:04<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, type: a2dissite
18:05<Keithl>i did
18:05<Keithl>how do i find line 235
18:05<path>ctrl-g in nano i think
18:05<HoopyCat>Keithl: did you type that, or did you type "a2dissite" as you pasted above?
18:05<mdcollins>TWK, path's command would work: path> apt-get remove sendmail
18:06<Keithl>already disabled
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18:06<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, type: ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
18:07<Keithl>it shows
18:07<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, type: a2dissite
18:08<Keithl>root@localhost:~# a2dissite
18:08<Keithl>removing dangling symlink /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
18:08<Keithl>root@localhost:~# a2dissite www.annonhackers.infoa2dissite
18:08<Keithl>ERROR: Site www.annonhackers.infoa2dissite does not exist!
18:08<Keithl>ERROR: Site does not exist!
18:08<Keithl>root@localhost:~# a2dissite
18:08<Keithl>ERROR: Site does not exist!
18:08<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, now type: a2ensite
18:09<Keithl>i did it
18:09<Keithl>the sites not up
18:09<HoopyCat>Keithl: now type: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
18:09<Keithl>now i got
18:09<Keithl>It works!
18:09<Keithl>This is the default web page for this server.
18:09<Keithl>The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.
18:10<Keithl>but no
18:10<HoopyCat>Keithl: ok, where did you install the wiki?
18:11<HoopyCat>Keithl: and just to be sure, type this and copy/paste it to : cat /etc/apache2/sites-available/
18:11<TWK>do i need sendmail for wordpress to send out emails?
18:11<Clorith>you need an MTA at least, TWK
18:12<TWK>Is there a way to block all external IPs for MTA?
18:12<Keithl> ServerAdmin
18:12<Keithl> ServerName
18:12<Keithl> ServerAlias
18:12<Keithl> DocumentRoot /srv/www/
18:12<Clorith>I think wordpress uses the sendmail alias, so make sure that's aliased for your MTA at least
18:12<Keithl> ErrorLog /srv/www/
18:12<Keithl> CustomLog /srv/www/ combined
18:12<TWK>(sorry Im a linux noob)
18:12<Keithl>i got
18:12<Clorith>you could firewall it I guess
18:12<HoopyCat>Keithl: nano /etc/apache2/sites-available/
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18:12<HoopyCat>Keithl: then change "ServerName" to "ServerName"
18:13<Keithl>i did
18:13<HoopyCat>Keithl: same with "DocumentRoot /srv/www/" which needs to be changed to "DocumentRoot /srv/www/"
18:13<HoopyCat>Keithl: it's a computer, it will be picky about spelling. them's the breaks.
18:13<Keithl>now wat
18:14<HoopyCat>Keithl: ctrl-x, then "y", then "enter" to save the file
18:14<HoopyCat>Keithl: then /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
18:14<Keithl>but now
18:14<Keithl>i got
18:14<Keithl>Index of /
18:14<Keithl> Name Last modified Size Description
18:14<Keithl> mediawiki-1.15.4/ 20-Mar-2009 12:00 -
18:14<Keithl> mediawiki/ 20-Mar-2009 12:00 -
18:14<Keithl>Apache/2.2.12 (Ubuntu) Server at Port 80
18:15<Keithl>i want it when you go to the website it will have mediawiki up
18:15<Keithl>like the wiki
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18:16<mdcollins>TWK, if the mta is properly configured it should only accept from localhost and other ips that are explicitly allowed.
18:16<HoopyCat>Keithl: that can be fixed in a little bit; for now, just click "mediawiki"
18:16<TWK>mdcollins: when I Lish'd in, all i saw were bunch of MTA/sendmail errors... i am assuming that
18:16<TWK>s what was causing the problem
18:16<TWK>disk IO shot up
18:16<TWK>sky high
18:17<TWK>"iostat 1" cmd didn't seem to respond either
18:17<Keithl>i did chmod a+w config
18:17<Keithl>but it still says
18:17<Keithl>i need to
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18:18<HoopyCat>Keithl: your webserver and mediawiki are running; mediawiki's documentation should guide you from here on out
18:19<wrkq>Good af'noon... gotta ask you a question like a noob I really am... any pointers about limiting number of parallel requests handled per source IP in apache2? Yes, just got my first manual not-distributed DoS that wasn't picked up by fail2ban.
18:21<wrkq>Shame on me.
18:21<HoopyCat>wrkq: i'd probably look towards iptables
18:21<HoopyCat>apache might have a feature for it, though...
18:22<wrkq>Well, it doesn't bye default, that's the thorn...
18:23<wrkq>Iptables can limit parallels, without cutting down? Hmm, gotta look into them... :(
18:24<tanto>zach anner ftw
18:24<HoopyCat>mmm dinner
18:25<Clorith>mmm share
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18:27<HoopyCat>"Evaluate the definite integral." well, looks like a tough one. i'd probably have to wolframalpha it, to be honest, unless i wanted to fill half a page
18:27<wrkq>Blah. iptables would be sweet, but it can only reject/drop such stuff... and I need to queue it. Ah well...
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18:29<HoopyCat>wrkq: if you drop it, it will almost sorta queue... :-)
18:29<wrkq>Well, I'm totally green in this area, so I may be wrong ;)
18:30<wrkq>And yeash, shame one me.
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18:31<HoopyCat>wrkq: me too. haven't run into that as a problem in a long awhile.
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20:06<linbot>New news from forums: Changing log date formats? in General Discussion <>
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20:12<mdcollins>I love my customers.
20:13<mdcollins>Just wow.. I was laughing at him because he was so ridiculous.
20:13<HoopyCat>i love urmom
20:13<mdcollins>Wouldnt give me any info and insisted i was gay by trying to ask clarifying questions about what he wanted help with.
20:14<HoopyCat>maybe he thought you were a little too jovial for the circumstances
20:14<mdcollins>All the while, he was being very rude to me.
20:15<mdcollins>Well when the first thing he says is "I WANT A MANGER" which I couldnt understand over the background noise, then proceeds to insult me because the line wasnt clear, Id rather laugh at the situation instead of getting pissed off.
20:16<HoopyCat>christmas goods aren't on the shelf until october, sir
20:16<mdcollins>err that was supposed to me "manager"
20:16<HoopyCat>oh, even worse
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20:17<Solver>I was thinking if he asked for a manger no wonder you couldn't understand him
20:17<mdcollins>oh and his response to "sir..." (he cut me off) was "when you get home, tell your boyfriend sir.. I want a manager"
20:18<Runar>That's just brilliant
20:18<Solver>I'm glad you laughed :)
20:18<mdcollins>Btw, I dont have a lisp or any other stereotypical words or mannerisms to even put me in category of possibly gay.
20:19<mdcollins>All this over (from what i gathered) a tag left on his front door and he wanted more info about who sent it..
20:20<mdcollins>Anyways, it was a fun way to end my shift.
20:20<mdcollins>Time to go home. Cya later #linode
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20:21<HoopyCat>shoulda told him you'd be over to "read his meter" just as soon as you clock out
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21:03<amitz>I just read lisp... then read lips... then read lisp...
21:04<amitz>the word "gay" is such a powerful modifier, heh
21:05<amitz>wait... that's suppose to be lips...
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21:09<MarkJ>it's great going through throwing out old crap... anyone want a Slackware CD with kernel 1.2 from 1995? :)
21:10*Solver luvs throwing out old crap
21:10<MarkJ>ancient history, plus an Yggdrasil Linux CD 94
21:10<MarkJ>Walnut Creek used to make so many CDs
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21:12<linbot>New news from forums: Anyone tried recent paravirt kernels in ye olde Debian 5? in General Discussion <>
21:12<MarkJ>hehe, "Currently, the X servers do not support more than one MB of RAM"... god
21:14<mtkoan>wow, when is that from
21:14<MarkJ>cleaning out old crap, that's a 1994 Yggrdasil linux CDROM pack
21:14<mtkoan>woahhh.. :D
21:15<MarkJ>and two Slackware cd's from 1994 (march and october) with kernel's 1.2 and 1.3.12 respectively
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21:15<MarkJ>I haz history
21:15<Solver>MarkJ: Yggrdasil! woohoo :)
21:15<smed>I have a Slack 3.1 box set in the cellar......
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21:16*Solver did Slack 2 on floppies
21:16<smed>and somewhere there are about 30 diskettes with same on it...
21:16<MarkJ>Have old SuSE box from around 2000 somewhere, and Redhat 5(?)
21:16<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
21:16<mtkoan>I didn't start until slackware was 12
21:16<smed>nothing was more painful that Linux over modems....
21:16<Solver>apparently so
21:16<MarkJ>I still have OS/2 boxes with all it's floppies (at least Warp 4 also came with CDs)
21:16<smed>I also still have two brand-new multitech 19,200 modems.....
21:16<Solver>never got in to OS/2
21:16<Solver>pity it died
21:18<mtkoan>hmm my ssh sessions keep randomly dying from this location
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21:20<MarkJ>my, was I the only one that used Lantastic Z for "fake" networking... digging up so much gold
21:20<MarkJ>network of serial/parallel connections
21:24<MarkJ>woo MS-DOS QBasic Programmer's Reference... my second step in programming after GWBasic. QuickBasic/QBasic could actually do some funky things in DOS then
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21:40*amitz looks at the date today ;-)
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21:42<amitz>mtkoan: different client? different connecting method? Basically, is there any keep alive (explicit and built-in)?
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21:43<mtkoan>amitz: yea.. same client, different uplink/router. trying ServerAliveInterval in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
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22:00<amitz>I wonder what's so hot about this so called "business intelligence job"..
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22:13<mtkoan>Welp, that fixed it.
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22:18<amitz>good then.
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22:20<gill>on an ubuntu/apache/php setup can php use chown and chgrp? I've tried, but it doesn't seem to be working. Am I missing something...a security issue I imagine?
22:21<nisstyre56>gill: you can execute commands as the apache user
22:22<nisstyre56>not root
22:22<gill>i see.
22:22<nisstyre56>so if you're trying to do something that requires root privs
22:24<gill>reading up on php's exec function now.
22:24<amitz>and chown/chgrp is serious stuff to be run from php. Once your php/webserver got compromised, it will be the end of world..
22:24<amitz>your world, a subset of your world :-p
22:25<gill>lol. roger.
22:25<nisstyre56>just don't do echo exec($_GET);
22:25<nisstyre56>or something
22:26<amitz>to be run with root account. I decided against doing this but you can set chown/chgrp in your sudo file to be runnable as a root using apache account, which will be run from your php script.
22:27<gill>basically I have a script that creates a file in a folder, but the owner is www-data and the css isn't being applied to the new php file unless the owner is changed.
22:27<amitz>oh...have your tried "touch filename"?
22:28<gill>oh, nope didn't know php could do that.
22:28<amitz>that's to be run inside the exec().
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22:29<gill>amitz: oh, ok. I'll give that a shot.
22:31<gill>however, I was told that I should disable exec() in the php.ini file because it is a vulnerability. Any thoughts or opinions on this?
22:32<nisstyre56>gill: it's only a vulnerability if you accept user input and put it in the exec function
22:32<nisstyre56>don't do that
22:32<smed>is it just me, or does nameserver suck b@ll$
22:32<Solver>php is ancient sanscrit for "always sanitise your input"
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22:33<Solver>amitz, gill I think php has functions to touch files without having to resort to exec
22:33<Solver>eg create zero length file, change timestamp, etc
22:34<Solver>calling a system binary is an expensive operation
22:35<Solver>instead of using some built in function
22:35<gill>Solver: that would be good. I'll look into it.
22:35<Solver>gill: I haven't use php for web dev for ages so the command escape me but I'm 100% they are there
22:36<gill>Solver: kk :)
22:36<Solver>gill: I just go straight for the functions on - it knows all :)
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23:03<amitz>Solver: oh, never knew. thanks :-)
23:03<G>hmmmmm no /dev/net/tun device
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23:13<amitz>I hate choosing a path of career.
23:16<munik>become a prostitute
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23:21<amitz>bleak future.
23:22<munik>find a nice pimp
23:22<munik>he'll treat you right
23:23<mtkoan>I hear's there's lots of money working with computers
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23:23*mtkoan wonders where it is though..
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23:34<webstartupgroup>Hi fellas, does anyone have experience setting up simple forwarding for virtual domains using exim (on Ubuntu)?
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23:35<webstartupgroup>I've been searching online for this all afternoon, but the documentation seems to make it harder than I'm guessing that it is
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23:38<kake26>Hi all
23:39<kake26>Anyone got any expirence with ISPconfig? I've worked out most of my bugs except one small one
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23:44<kake26>Okay this is a case of much face desking
23:44<webstartupgroup>kake26, I wish I could help ;)
23:45<webstartupgroup>maybe if you explain what is going on it will trigger some ideas from all of us
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23:46<kake26>Okay I will. It seems some how postfix is failing to resolve the user from the mysql table
23:47<kake26>The thing is no error is generated so I have little to go on with this. It keeps bouncing mail with user unknown
23:47<kake26>While ISPconfig has properly setup the user
23:48<webstartupgroup>any chance you need to reload postfix?
23:48<metap|pe>just one user, or all users?
23:48<kake26>Just one since thats all there is
23:49<metap|pe>did you try running the ispconfig installer||upgrade script? it should iron out most problems
23:49<kake26>ISPconfig was installed on a clean system
23:52<kake26>So much for the debug mode
23:53<kake26>AH HA!
23:54<kake26>That was dumb
23:57<kake26>I so fail
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23:59<kake26>Sorry everyone
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23:59<kake26>Case of missing the obvious
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