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---Logopened Wed Jul 14 00:00:04 2010
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00:45<sjnims>hey everyone
00:46<sjnims>not that it's all too important, but just trying to get it to work...has anyone set up gitweb on ubuntu 10.04?
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00:50<nfinch>Hi, I'm a new linode user and setting up /etc/hosts for the first time. I haven't decided what domains I will host on this server yet, so what should I use for my linode's FQDN?
00:50<mwalling>sjnims: yes
00:50<bob2>nfinch: pick one
00:50<sjnims>nfinch: you can choose anything
00:51<bob2>pick a random hostname and a domain you own
00:51<sjnims>mwalling: how'd you do it? all i get is output of a text file
00:52<mwalling>what httpd?
00:52<sjnims>i created a sym link to /usr/share/gitweb pointing from /srv/www/
00:53<sjnims>figuring that would work, no need to copy files after an update
00:53<sjnims>and then just access via web @
00:53<nfinch>thanks - so something like this: ipaddress randomname?
00:54<sjnims>nfinch: that is correct
00:54<nfinch>brilliant - cheers!
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01:03<mwalling>sjnims: does your httpd know that the script is a script?
01:06<sjnims>mwalling: i'm using apache virtual name hosts
01:06<sjnims>e.g. /etc/apache2/sites-available/
01:07<sjnims>inside that file i have defined the main domain related to this file
01:07<mwalling>sjnims: does your httpd know that the script is a script and that it needs to execute the script?
01:07<mwalling>script... alias...
01:07<sjnims>not sure how to do that
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01:08<Pryon>!g ScriptAlias
01:08<Pryon>oh linbot
01:08<mwalling>sjnims: script... alias...
01:08<mwalling>try google
01:09<mwalling>use the hint Pryon gave you
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01:09<mwalling>$YOUR_CREATOR_OF_CHOICE gave you a brain. use it
01:09<Pryon>!google fear of clowns
01:09<Pryon>Hmmm. Error connecting to google
01:12<Trystan>anyone use WHMCS that could recommend a decently priced CC processor that it supports?
01:12<sn0man>Kinda a noob question, but if I have a 1gig linode plan, do I need to have 1gig of swap?
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01:14<mwalling>sn0man: no
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01:18<ohkus>anyone awake with a linode in new jersey?
01:19<@caker>what's up, ohkus?
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01:21<purrdeta>hi caker <3
01:22<chesty>caker: In case you don't back read, I found a grammatical error on your linode manager, and I want $1000 for the location
01:22<mdcollins_>I'll find it fot $500
01:22<@caker>chesty: zomg where?
01:23<chesty>If you've used fdisk on your images to create partitions, or created encrypted volumes, or done anything other than use our deployment or disk image creation tools, we won't be able to back up the data.
01:24<chesty>that reads wrong to me
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01:24<@caker>I'll let you guys in on a little sekrit: new Linode Manager coming soon! :)
01:24<mdcollins_>I concur.
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01:26<@caker>chesty: cool, thanks - I'll get that fixed
01:26<amitz>ooh, a linode manager so powerful that it can replaces emacs!
01:27<mdcollins>caker, new features or just a re-done Linode Manager?
01:28<@caker>mostly a re-do to make the interface moar better and consistent, but a few new features that simplify common tasks
01:29<@caker>one button rescue ... one button redeploy
01:29<mdcollins>Nice. Moar is better.
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01:29<@caker>the interface is much, much improved. Getting close to alpha!
01:30<mdcollins>The current manager uses coldfusion? or am I misinterpreting the suffix?
01:30<@caker>it's cf
01:30<@caker>because cf is awesome.
01:30<mdcollins>I looked into that back in the day, before I got into php..
01:31<mdcollins>Forgot why I discounted cf..
01:31<purrdeta>caker: you're my hero.
01:31<Eman>caker: you need to make a horrible new manager, then when everyone hates it, bring back the old one as linode classic
01:31<mdcollins>Is cf script-ish like php?
01:33<amitz>heh, I remember the day when CF is said to revolutionize the web..
01:33<@caker>it has two syntax styles - tag based (<cfif urmom=1><other tags></cfif>) and script based ( public void function urmom(string arg1, array arg2) { codez; codez; } )
01:34<@caker>I came to CF after doing everything in perl with, which ... was painful
01:34<@caker>CF was fucking amazing
01:34<mdcollins>caker, have you used php?
01:35*amitz returns to lurking since he doesn't know much about this web thingie stuff.
01:36<mdcollins>Ah, I was trying to see how similar they are, but google is helping with that.
01:36<mdcollins>I do like the database queries though, they look nice.
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01:37<mdcollins>But I tend to use my home-grown mysql class instead of the php functions themselves.
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01:50<mdcollins>amitz, weren't you creating an android app?
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02:01<amitz>I was waiting for the android phone -_-, yeah I know the sdk has a pretty good emulator of android but...
02:02<amitz>I mean, I still don't have an android phone.
02:02<mdcollins>Ah, which phone are you getting?
02:02<mikegrb>caker: you wuz doin it wrong! even back then there were much better way than
02:02<amitz>mdcollins: not even sure. A friend says that the target is currently moving very quickly now, the phone/OS.
02:03<mdcollins>The hardware keeps getting better and better, but I figure with something like the Nexus One, I won't need a replacement anytime too soon.
02:04<amitz>processor may not bottleneck much, but the screen size...
02:05<amitz>newer OS support some crazy screen resolution
02:05<mdcollins>Eh, I think the Sprint Evo is getting too big.. But that's personal preference.
02:05<amitz>problem here, most of that those stuff here become expensive.
02:06<amitz>nexus one is about US$500 IIRC, and that's a BM stuff.
02:06<tkoskine>HTC seems to support Android updates better than Samsung. -> No need to buy new Android phone for OS updates so often.
02:06<mdcollins>Well, if you get a phone that you can root, you can replace the OS with a newer version, provided someone makes it.
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02:07<mdcollins>tkoskine, I concur.. Plus the 2 I've had are well supported in the community (G1 and N1)
02:07<amitz>yeah, that problem too. OS update. It makes decision quite complicated -_-
02:08<mdcollins>Apps are backwards (?) compatible for the most part. Ie, apps for 1.6 and 2.0 work on 2.1 and 2.2 (for the most part)
02:10<amitz>which is good :-D
02:11<mdcollins>Yes it is.
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02:20<ohkus>anyone have a clue why a screen session might keep terminating
02:21<mdcollins>Screen is quitting or you are getting disconnected while connecting via ssh?
02:21<ohkus>[ross@kauai ~]$ screen -t irssi
02:21<ohkus>[screen is terminating]
02:21<ohkus>[ross@kauai ~]$
02:21<ohkus>thats all i get...never get the screen terminal
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02:23<encode>how about just launching screen without irssi?
02:23<encode>and then launch irssi
02:24<encode>sounds like irssi is terminating, so the screen session does too
02:24<Yesan>i wuld like to know if linode offers buying a vps for 3 months
02:24<encode>Yesan: sure. But it's billed monthly (or, if you chose, yearly or bi-yearly)
02:24<mdcollins>encode, -t sets the title
02:25<encode>mdcollins: oh. right.
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02:26<ohkus>no...screen is giving the error "Sorry, could not find a PTY."
02:26<Yesan7>I seeking your help
02:26<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
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02:27<Yesan7>can linode offer access to VPS for shorter period say 3 months
02:28<Yesan7>then we can decide in continuing or upgrading to next level
02:28*encode feels deja vu
02:28<encode>Yesan: sure. But it's billed monthly (or, if you chose, yearly or bi-yearly)
02:28<mdcollins>He probably got disconnected before seeing your original reply.
02:28<encode>it's pro-rated to the day
02:28<encode>so you can pay for as little as one day
02:29<encode>but the remainder of the month is used as credit for subsequent purchases
02:29<Yesan7>any time i can decide to withdraw or change is that?
02:29<mdcollins>ohkus, is that running screen as a regular user or as root?
02:29<encode>i think you need to create a support ticket to get it paid back to your account
02:29<Yesan7>thank you
02:29<amitz>with a certain fee.
02:29<Yesan7>i shall create a support ticket
02:29<ohkus>mdcollins: regular
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02:30<mdcollins>hmm, could you paste the output of ls -l /dev/ptmx
02:30<amitz>if you decided to stop using outside the money back guaranteed period. cmiiw
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03:13<Marius>hmm, so this may be a problem...utf-8 during sftp is a nogo it seems =/
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03:14<HedgeMage>hey, Marius, ltns
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03:14<HedgeMage>(assuming you are the same Marius )
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03:16<Marius>I'm not I assume
03:16<Marius>I'm Clorith
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03:17<Marius>I'm the guy who kept calling you a guy ;)
03:17<HedgeMage>Definitely not my Marius
03:18<HedgeMage>He knows I'm not a guy, for starters ;)
03:18<SelfishMan>HedgeMage isn't a guy?
03:18<Marius>That didn't sounds dirty..not at all... *shifty eyes*
03:18<mdcollins>SelfishMan, yes, she is a girl
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03:19<SelfishMan>mdcollins: I know. I just like to see how many people will pop up to confirm that fact
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03:19<Marius>It's funny because EVERYONNE takes Hedge for a guy when they first talk to her
03:20<Marius>It's not so funny because I kept thinking it even after being told 3 times
03:20<nisstyre56>Marius: can you blame them?
03:20<Marius>granted she should use HedgeSorceress or hedgeWitch =P
03:20<mdcollins>I just assumed till things were told that would be awkward for a guy.
03:20<Marius>Mage is a male term after all xD
03:20<HedgeMage>Mage is neutral actually
03:21<SelfishMan>!f mage
03:21<Marius>I've always seen it as a male dominated term
03:21<linbot>SelfishMan: 1. (23); 2. (7); 3. (6); 4. (5); 5. (4)
03:21<nisstyre56>I think Wizard might exclusively refer to males
03:21<mdcollins>I think mage is assumed to be a male.
03:22<HedgeMage>I'm used to being taken for a guy on IRC
03:23<HedgeMage>I'm quite a-typical as American women goe
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03:23<SelfishMan>yeah, I don't know many American women that slap an 'e' on the end of 'go'
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03:37<Marius>this'll be a hard day at work, haha
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03:49<amitz>not hard enough that you have the time and energy to say "this'll be a hard day at work" '=_
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03:50<Marius>Well, duh, IRC will go as always ;)
03:50<Marius>my brain is just all mushy for some reason
03:50<Marius>one of those days I guess
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03:57<amitz>keyboard should stick to a standard position, sigh
03:57*amitz wanders off
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04:51<avar>Nice, I just had 5700 failed ssh login attempts againsh ssh/root tonight, from someone else using linode: []
04:51<avar>That's more than I've had from all of *.cn combined :)
04:52<megatron27>that guy was rooted?
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04:53<avar>No idea
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05:02<megatron27>he's connecting and disconnecting every 5 minutes on the dot
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05:22<Marius>anoying where?
05:23<amitz>this is definitely not your... uh..hard day :-p
05:24<Marius>I actually did something productive!
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05:28<amitz>nice then :-)
05:28<amitz>and why the sudden change in nick Marius ?
05:29<Marius>oh, I asked if I could have it, since this is my name and all
05:29<amitz>well, I'm half expecting Marius is a somewhat common name. It's surprising someone didn't have it yet. Or you actually took it from someone else?
05:31<Marius>It's been registered but not used for over 7 years, so I asked
05:32<Marius>The lovely miss fontaine said I could have it
05:37<tofufish>Anyone familiar with the awstats setup?
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05:37<tofufish>I keep getting the 'Error: SiteDomain parameter not defined in your config/domain file. You must edit it for using this version of AWStats. ' error when trying to access the url
05:37<amitz>are you sure google doesn't give any hint on this?
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05:38<tofufish>From what i could see people who were getting that error couldnt generate the stats
05:38<tofufish>I can execute the command to generate the stats
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05:38<Marius>isn't it better to just leave the cron to handle it all then?
05:39<tofufish>I cant view the stats though..
05:39<Marius>did you define SiteDomain then?
05:40<tofufish>Yeah, Its identical to the vhost as defined in my sites-enabled folder
05:56<tofufish>Trying it using a different vhost yields the same result
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06:09<tofufish>Fixed the problem
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07:13*MeCooL :)
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07:21<Robbington5>Hey, anyone free to lend a hand to a noob?
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07:21<Marius>Ask away
07:21<Robbington5>I seem to be having probs starting my Apache server
07:21<Robbington5>OI just get the error message /etc/apache2/envvars: 13: /etc/default/locale: Permission denied
07:22<Robbington5>I have been chatting to the linode support people and they say the envvars file is configured properly and to ask around the forums
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07:25<avar>what's the permission of the files involved, and what's line 13 of /etc/apache2/envvars?
07:27<Robbington5>Not sure what you mean by 'permission of the files involved' (Noob remember) and line 13 is /etc/default/locale
07:28<avar>you're probably missing an executable bit
07:28<Robbington5>Which would be?
07:29<avar>see `info chmod'
07:32<chesty>/etc/default/locale is sometime missing, what does ls -l /etc/default/locale say?
07:33<avar>Then it wouldn't say permission denied
07:34<chesty>well it definitely shouldn't be executable
07:35<tofufish>Can i delete a log file, and apache will create a new one when it needs to write to it?
07:36<avar>chesty: If it's being executed by envvars then it should
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07:36<chesty>avar: it's a config file, not a program
07:37<Robbington5>It says -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 52 2010-07-07 16:13 /etc/default/locale
07:38<avar>chesty: Yes, but if something's *using* it as a program it needs to be executable, or the stuff that using it needs to be fixed.
07:46<chesty>Robbington5: iline 13 should be ". /etc/default/locale" (the dot is important
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07:47<Robbington5>That did get rid of the error message, but now it just says bad username
07:48<Robbington5>Or more specifically "apache2: bad user name Rob"
07:48<chesty>do you have export APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data in the envvars file?
07:50<chesty>sudo sh -x /etc/init.d/apache2 start
07:53<Robbington5>I got a ton of text but at the bottom it says " + printf fail fail+ /usr/bin/tput op" in red
07:56<Robbington5>First time on this irc, where is the pastebin?
07:56<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
07:56<chesty>anyway, i got to go
07:56<Robbington5>Cheers anyway mate
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07:59<Robbington5>Bah it wont let me paste it
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08:05<tofufish>Hrmm, How long should awstats take to process a 30mb~ log file?
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08:07<tofufish>So definitely not longer then 5mins? :P
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08:09<tofufish>This is the first time it is parsing the logs
08:09<Marius>shouldn't matter
08:12<tofufish>That site says differentely
08:12<Marius>10-100MB; 10-120seconds
08:13<tofufish>Anything I can do?
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08:38<tofufish>Someone was having a similar problem, but they didnt have a solution
08:38<tofufish>Apparently there log was flooded with bad requests (worms etc)
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09:08<Guest3016>In your plans, when you say "512MB of RAM", is it burst RAM or guaranteed ram?
09:09<Guest3016>so they have machines with 20GBs of RAM?
09:09<chesty>at least
09:09<Guest3016>ok :P
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09:10<chesty>raid 10 local disks
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09:10<Guest3016>Is it possible to upgrade plan while paying for a yearly plan?
09:10<derekyang>any way to check the total server RAM ?
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09:11<Guest3016>derekyang: uname -nrmo
09:11<chesty>Guest3016: via a ticket
09:11<Guest3016>no wait sorry that's useless
09:11<Guest3016>do grep "MemTotal" /proc/meminfo
09:11<Marius>it's pretty easy, they have 20480 a pop
09:11<Marius>as calculated using that data
09:11<@stan_theman>Guest3016: if you're already on a yearly plan and want to upgrade, you can use the Resize tab
09:12<@stan_theman>If you want to switch from yearly to monthly, then you open a ticket
09:12<Guest3016>stan_theman: ok, and you confirm that the 512MB are guaranteed
09:13<Guest3016>it just seem strange to me thay would advertise it more if they were guaranteed...
09:13<derekyang>but Memtoal only show your own vps RAM right ?
09:13<Guest3016>derekyang: yes, right
09:13<Guest3016>then I don't know lol
09:14<derekyang>so.. i just want to know how much vps was host in one manchine
09:14<Guest3016>derekyang: you can't
09:14<mwalling>Guest3016: it is advertised. in big letters where it says XEN
09:14<Marius>derekyang: there's a maximum of 40 users on a 512 plan
09:14<Marius>all 512 plans are on one box, 768 on one box etc, they don't mix
09:14<derekyang>that sounds great
09:14<Guest3016>mwalling: so you're saying that in XEN the RAM is always "fixed"?
09:14<chesty>Marius: says who?
09:15<mwalling>Guest3016: yes?
09:15<Marius>chesty: says the almighty OPs
09:15<mwalling>Marius: "On average,"
09:15<mwalling>afaik, newer hosts have a higher density, because the hardware is more awesome then the old stuff
09:15<Marius>mwalling: the on average is only for the 768 plan I thought?
09:15<mwalling>Linodes of the same plan are grouped together onto a host. We adjust the number of slots on each host according to its resources and hardware specification. On average, a Linode 512 host has 40 Linodes on it. A Linode 768 host has on average 30. Linode 1024 host: 20 Linodes; Linode 1536 host: 15; Linode 2048 host: 10; Linode 4096: 5.
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09:15<Guest3016>mwalling: ok, I just didn't know that.. anyway it's strange that they don't say it
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09:16<Marius>Marius did not see the first average there
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09:16<Marius>poor grammar, needs less "average"'s!
09:16<derekyang>mwalling: very helpfull information
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09:17<Guest3016>ooook let's get one
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09:17<Marius>Excellent plan
09:17<Guest3016>was in doubt between rackspace and this...
09:18<Marius>A thing that's puzzled me, why doens't linode become a CPanel/Pleask reseller, they offer special virtualiaztion plans and it would make things simple on the user if they could include a cpanel stack script setup with their node at a slightly higher monthly cost
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09:19<derekyang>Marius: someone feel so good to FULL control their vps
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09:20<Marius>well, yeah, I don't use any control panels, I'm jsut thinking out loud that it may be beneficial and could get the ma whole new group of users whom might not even have considered a self managed vps before
09:20<encode>Marius: because the target audience of linode prefers doing things their way
09:20<encode>most here would share in my dispising of the hackery that is CPanel
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09:21<Marius>by all means encode, I am one of said shares, but as stated: I was jsut thinking aloud
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09:22<tronix>there are plenty of retailers who offers that type of service.
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09:22<jonny5>Hey... anyone getting connection issues on Freemont?
09:22<tronix>Linode's doing well without needing to offer it.
09:22<tronix>jonny5: yeah, been seeing issues but I think just cleared up
09:22<jonny5>Cool not just me
09:23<tronix>it was really odd because the mtr times (ping/traceroute) looked good
09:23<tronix>but session was definitely lagged
09:23<encode>jonny5: yeah, for a few minutes i was seeing heavy packet loss at the final hop
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09:23<Eman>i just had some issues too
09:23<Guest3016>whoohooo got my linode. time to transfer all the stuff.
09:23<jonny5>I couldn't open a few CURL connections, and also web site monitor on my second linode in the same datacentre couldnt reach each other
09:24<jonny5>Welcome Guest :)
09:24<avar>Marius: The reason Linode doesn't suck is because they stick to a small featureset, instead of piling on stuff like cpanel. You can always install that yourself if you want.
09:24<jonny5>Any linode employees here? Just want to make sure they know about the issue
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09:25<tasaro>jonny5: we noticed something but it cleared before we could diagnose.. only lasted 90 secs or so?
09:25<tronix>tasaro: couple mins, actually, but did clear on its own
09:26<tronix>probably some 13 year old mad at someone beating him at CFDMW2 or something.
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09:26<jonny5>tasaro: I'll let you know if I see any more problems, lasted around 5 mins for me
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09:27<@tasaro>jonny5: support ticket with mtr info works best for us
09:27<jonny5>thanks, whats mtr ;)?
09:28<tronix>jonny5: awesome tool (mtr)
09:28<jonny5>looks better than traceroute, shows more info
09:28<tronix>basically combination of ping and traceroute. agreed.
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09:32<jonny5>whats everyone's fave domain registrar? I like godaddy if you can avoid adding any options they push
09:33<jonny5>I'll check it out
09:33<SubWolf>Less options pushed at you, though they do try to autosell you a .org domain and a few others when you order.
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09:44<aalcorn>jonny5: I recommend
09:45<aalcorn>better pricing than godaddy, much stronger privacy policy
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09:45<aalcorn>free private whois
09:45<Marius>also better prices adn free whois privacy the first year
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09:47<@Perihelion>marmar \o/
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09:49<Marius>zomzom \o/
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09:50<@Perihelion>You're purple now
09:50<@Perihelion>Which is strange
09:50<@Perihelion>When you were Clorith your nick was pink
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09:51<Marius>everyone is white to me
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09:53<@Perihelion>Wow you racist cow
09:53<randallman>'White (nick) Power'? :P
09:54<@Perihelion>Did someone start a revolution and not inform me?
09:54<randallman>You say you want a revolution? Well ya know?
09:54<randallman>We all wanna change the world?
09:55<Marius>I see
09:55<Marius>would you like a piece of my white world?
09:56<@tychoish>The Revolution Will Not Be Televised!
09:56<Marius>are you saying I had my own custom color because I'm so lovable? :o
09:57<@Perihelion>Marius is demented :D
09:57<cmayo>how's it going?
09:57<Marius>I'm demented :D
09:57<cmayo>my iphone is taking forever to sync these days
09:57<@Perihelion>HTC Evo <3
09:57<randallman>Moto Droid <3
09:57<Marius>Yeah, your problem is apple-oriented.
09:58<@caker>cmayo: iPhone 4 fixes that
09:58<Marius>randallman: good choice!
09:58<randallman>Overclocked... ;)
09:58<randallman>RUnning a 1.0ghz Low Voltage kernel :)
09:58<Marius>caker: only if you hold it in the sync position, performing a perfect shield around the edges as the data needs to be protecte!
09:58<@caker>good one.
09:58<cmayo>caker: how so? i hear the antenna sucks
09:58<@caker>what does the antenna have to do with syncing?
09:58<cmayo>consumer reports gave it a "do not buy" even though it is their favorite phone, lol
09:59<cmayo>well, why would i buy a phone that i can't use - as a phone -?
09:59<@caker>works for me.
09:59<cmayo>well, fair enough. how do i go to and find out if i'm eligible for an upgrade?
09:59<cmayo>i heard some are, but i don't know how to check
10:00<@caker>dial *639#
10:00<cmayo>ugh, i hate calling :P
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10:01<Marius>Pellentesque varius lacus et lacus hendrerit blandit. Morbi pharetra purus sit amet dui scelerisque semper. Ut eget lectus nisi, in convallis dui. Integer eleifend tellus volutpat velit imperdiet ullamcorper. In mi lectus, ullamcorper ac mattis eu, tincidunt in nisl. Nam nec quam ut nulla consectetur tempor. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Nulla ac erat felis. Cras massa ante, viverra fringilla pharetr
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10:01<Marius>Yeah err...sorry?
10:02<randallman>Holy cow :0
10:03<Marius>'s only...4...paragraphs...of lipsum...
10:04<Marius>Yes, lipsum
10:04<cmayo>my old roommate is a latin PhD student at harvard
10:04<cmayo>fun times, let me tell you
10:05<Marius>I can imagine...
10:05<randallman>Great... ist latin to be used as placeholders when generating layout prototypes? :P
10:05<linbot>Twayne: Yo momma's so fat, she could not fit into a TB of RAM. (760:4/2) [moumr]
10:05<Marius>doens't have to be used, but most people do use lipsum, yes
10:06<Marius> ;)
10:06<Guspaz>It's not really latin, since it's mangled.
10:06<Marius>Lorem Ipsum is simply dummy text of the printing and typesetting industry. Lorem Ipsum has been the industry's standard dummy text ever since the 1500s, when an unknown printer took a galley of type and scrambled it to make a type specimen book.
10:07<@Perihelion>Thank you Wikipedia.
10:07<Marius>or just ?
10:07<mendel>The great part about lipsum is that it's also called "Greeked text".
10:07<randallman>wiki wik wik whack
10:07*Perihelion boots into finnix to save da gentoo :<
10:08<Marius>did gentoo fail you?
10:08<Marius>I am not surpriesed by the gentoo failtoo
10:08<Guspaz>Wikipedia is my second memory storage unit. Unfortunately, that means that my memory is prone to periodic corruption.
10:08<@caker>cmayo: it's automated - you get an sms back
10:10<cmayo>caker: oh, cool, thanks
10:10<randallman>Guspaz, is the i7 8xx still the most cost effective i7?
10:10<randallman>for GP desktop use?
10:10<@Perihelion>Mohaaaaaa I got it
10:10<@Perihelion>Let the Gentooing begin!
10:10<Marius>you got lucky.
10:10<cmayo>caker: are you going to do prepaid for the backup service. or will you do it for us (i know you say bigger plans, contact). we have a 1024 and we're a non-profit institute at harvard ( and would HIGHLY prefer to pay 2 years in advance
10:11<@Perihelion>Luck? No luck. Skill.
10:12<@caker>cmayo: we do it now, but you'll need to raise a support ticket
10:12<Marius>the harvard website looks like the bbc site
10:12<cmayo>caker: cool. is there a discount?
10:13<Guspaz>randallman: As far as I know, but I haven't checked prices in quite a while.
10:13<@caker>cmayo: not at this time, no
10:13<cmayo>this is the site we are hosting at linode: -- and i am transferring over to linode in the next 3 weeks
10:13<cmayo>what do you think?
10:14<cmayo>caker: okay. if there ever were to be, would it be credited? i only ask because there's no contracts and we were told if the 768 (now 1024) plan didn't suit our needs (running tomcat, etc) we could easily work something out
10:14<cmayo>or you have no idea?
10:14<cmayo>thanks :)
10:14<Guspaz>Caker never complimented our website :(
10:14<@caker>Guspaz: nice!
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10:15*Marius suspects caker will have to send out a mass email titled "Your website: nice!"
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10:18<cmayo>caker: heh, requested information not available
10:18<cmayo>re att
10:20<@Perihelion>-.o I wasn't aware that flash could hose a system
10:20<cmayo>Marius: nice call
10:20<cmayo>just realized that
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10:21<Marius>Perihelion: of course it can!
10:22<@Perihelion>Actually it was firefox
10:22<@Perihelion>Crap that firefox pulled in during emerge is messing crap up
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10:25<cmayo>caker: ping my last question? my boss is asking...
10:27<tofufish>Cool more people are active: How do i go about procesing obscenely large log files with awstats?
10:27<tofufish>Just leave it over night and hope for the best?
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10:31<cmayo>tofufish: can you tell me how to create an awstats report?
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10:37<tofufish>cmayo: What do you mean?
10:38<tofufish>Just install awstats, create a conf for your domain
10:38<cmayo>i have, how do i view the stats now?
10:38<cmayo>i did it a few weeks ago
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10:56<cmayo>tofufish: ugh, says not found. how do i troubleshoot this?
10:56<cmayo>and can someone recommend a good heatmap tracker for my website?
10:56<cmayo>i wanna see where the clicks are coming from on my site
10:58<tofufish>Try putting a www. infront
10:58<tofufish>or tp://
10:59<cmayo>i get a 403 if i do so it exists...
10:59<tofufish>Thats odd, I get a 404 on my awstats dir not a 403
11:02<cmayo>tofufish: how do i get the profilename?
11:03<cmayo>sorry, am completely new to this
11:03<tofufish>Thats ok, I was in the same place a few hours ago
11:04<cmayo>tofufish: no luck
11:04<cmayo>any other ideas?
11:04<cmayo>maybe i changed the path so not anybody could access it? is there a place in my config files to check?
11:05<tofufish>Are you running apache2?
11:07<tofufish>Assuming youre running UBuntu thats a really good tutorial
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11:07<tofufish>Seems like you dont have it in your apache conf
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11:10<cmayo>well, using debian, but same thing really
11:10<cmayo>let me go through this, give me 10 minutes
11:10<cmayo>thanks! :)
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11:38<cmayo>tofufish: thanks again for teh great guide. just started on it now
11:38<cmayo>seems to not have been installed, though that doesn't make sense
11:38<cmayo>anyway, just starting from step 1 with the guide
11:39<golemz>linode will never offer bsd, correct?
11:40<Karrde>seems that way
11:40<Karrde>not enough demand
11:40<Karrde>see a recent thread on the forums
11:40<@jed>golemz: we rarely say 'never' about anything, we prefer to say there are no plans at this time
11:40<golemz>ok, just curious. thanks
11:40<golemz>ah, right (:
11:41<@jed>we can't speak for our fifteen-year-older selves, that'd be silly
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11:44<praetorian>Computer says no
11:46<JshWright>golemz: you can do BSD on your own, you just won't get a ton of support for it
11:46<golemz>JshWright: not sure i get your meaning
11:46<JshWright>!library pv-grub
11:47<linbot>JshWright: 1. Running Custom Kernels with PV-GRUB ( - 2. Deploy VoIP Services with Asterisk and FreePBX on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) ( - 3. Linux Security Basics (
11:47<golemz>i CAN run freebsd on my linode? minus all the nifty linode backup/restore etc?
11:47<JshWright>there aren't any premade BSD images, but you can get an install of BSD running using pv-grub
11:47<@pparadis>bd_ made this guide awhile ago
11:48<@pparadis>no guarantees that it will work
11:48<@jed>golemz: pvgrub lets you do whatever you want
11:48<@jed>anything paravirt will run under pvgrub
11:48<@jed>caker has booted opensolaris
11:48<@jed>just: effort.
11:48<JshWright>cause he's crazy like that
11:49<@jed>points to remember with pvgrub: pvgrub loads /boot/grub/menu.lst from xvda (so make sure the image containing it is in that slot, and not anywhere else)
11:50*golemz copies to textfile
11:50<@jed>not sure why I pluralized points, there, that's the big one...
11:51<golemz>i certainly don't need support for freebsd, just this pvgrub is new to me
11:51<golemz>i think before i migrate stuff over i'd like to try it!
11:51<@caker>it will only lead to darkness.
11:51<golemz>pish tosh
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11:54<Guspaz>OpenSolaris will probably lead to a lot more darkness than FreeBSD.
11:54<@jed>it actually booted :>
11:54<Guspaz>That's something, anyhow :P
11:54<@caker>and then quickly panicked
11:54<@pparadis>at the disco
11:54<Guspaz>I wonder how much of deploying a non-linux OS could be automated via stack scripts.
11:54*caker : MINIMIZE
11:55<golemz> /disco dance
11:57<Guspaz>Can the API be used to configure partitions and such? If so, you could have a stack script based on some base Linux distro that boots a minimal environment, creates a new partition, sets it up with, say, *BSD, adds some startup scripts to continue setup, reconfigure partitions, and reboots into it.
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11:58<@jed>Guspaz: there's a proposal in to caker to allow API keys to be given to stackscripts with users' permission, but that's the hangup for now - it'd be only for you, because your key would be hardcoded
11:59<@jed>when you "deploy from stackscript", too, you get a root for the distribution and a swap - for this kind of work you really want a separate disk image to play with
11:59*jed shrugs
11:59<@jed>worth a shot if you're industrious
12:00<Guspaz>Is finnix a deployable distro? Doesn't it boot from a minimal partition?
12:00<golemz>!seen jprather
12:00<linbot>golemz: I have not seen jprather.
12:01<@jed>finnix isn't deployed, it's an image of the CD-ROM that we provide to you
12:01<golemz>i am quickly deciding that i'm not enough of a masochist to try freebsd
12:02<wrkq>NetBSD is way better choice.
12:02<Guspaz>So you couldn't set a linode to boot into finnix with a stackscript to run on boot? Although, I suppose at that point you might as well say, "Boot into finnix and run this shell script that you gave an API key to, that'll deploy BSD for you"
12:02<golemz>wrkq: i see there is a netbsd howto
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12:03<golemz>wrkq: is it because netbsd has (better) xen support
12:03<wrkq>No idea... but netbsd, like roaches, works on just about anything...
12:04<wrkq>I just have a personal, absolutely unjustified hatred of freebsd, and thus had to throw in a lame comment above.
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12:05<golemz>i just love freebsd because it's what i broke my nix cherry on, and i have experience with it
12:05<golemz>i'll stick with lunix of course.
12:06<wrkq>I heard some older version of freebsd worked, but the current ones have troubles under xen... of course, they might fix it up again in last months.
12:06<Guspaz>You can do most of the things you'd do with *BSD with a Linux distro, so considering how flaky it'd probably be on a Linode, there's not much reason to suffer through the pain rather than just using Linux as "good enough".
12:06<tjfontaine>fo0bar: can I make grepcidr only report the ips and not the whole line? :)
12:06<golemz>Guspaz: yes exactly, i agree entirely
12:07<golemz>am i being lame using ubuntu 10.04
12:08<@pparadis>does ubuntu 10.04 work for you?
12:08<@pparadis>if so, then no.
12:08<Guspaz>48% of linode customers would say you're not lame.
12:08<golemz>haha, cool beans
12:08*pparadis uses debian and ubuntu for server-side stuff
12:09<Guspaz>Random: Should the Linode site really display a cold fusion exception stack trace when I access ""?
12:10<Guspaz>(72% of Linode customers use Ubuntu or Debian, as seen on
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12:13<golemz>linode has had requests for windows hosting? eeeeeyow
12:13<Battousai>i demand os/2
12:14<@jed>if someone builds a paravirt freedos kernel, I want to run it
12:16<Guspaz>jed: Is there a reason why Linode doesn't do HVM?
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12:17*Nivex knew not of grepcidr. thanks tjfontaine
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12:18<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] FreeBSD 8.0 Xen domU support in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
12:18<bd_>pparadis: Those images got accidentally deleted a while back >.>
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12:21<golemz>favorite editor that isnt vi/m?
12:21<golemz>oh you.
12:21*avar hopes for FreeBSD domU support
12:22<bd_>avar: give it a try, it might actually work these days
12:23<avar>mmmaybe. I'm hoping for something supported though, and I only have one linode which needs to be up, so I'd have to work out migration.
12:23<Guspaz>avar: Linode does pro-rated billing.
12:23<Guspaz>If you want to spend a day trying it, that will only cost you about 70 cents.
12:24*wrkq snickers.
12:24<wrkq>Anyone else got an open relay probe that tries to relay a message to
12:24<avar>Guspaz: Interesting.
12:25<avar>bd_: I'm waiting for Debian GNU/kFreeBSD though, that'll be in the next stable.
12:25<Guspaz>It's one of the benefits of Linode's deployment stuff being 100% automated.
12:25<Guspaz>You can just go and deploy a linode, use it a bit, delete it, and pay for what you used.
12:25<Guspaz>Only way it could be more flexible is if they did billing by the hour :P
12:25<avar>by nanosecond!
12:26<darkside_>yea, i spin up nodes for testing stuff by the day. really cool feature.
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12:26<@pparadis>wrkq: that can't be good for microsoft
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12:26<mwalling>wrkq: yes
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12:27<wrkq>Yeah, well, I found it a bit funny.
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12:27<golemz>to stop ssh timeouts, would you recommend ClientAliveInterval in sshd_config or ServerAliveInterval in ssh_config (localhost)
12:28<bd_>wrkq: It's not an open relay probe unless it tests whether the message is received
12:28<bd_>After all, just accepting mails to unknown domains but throwing them out without delivering would help waste spambot resources
12:28<wrkq>Well, I'm using ClientAliveInterval 120 in sshd_config, works.
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12:28<golemz>wrkq: thanks.
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12:29<wrkq>bd_, true... well, I'm not so sophisticated, I just refuse to accept a rcpt.
12:30<@jed>avar: you around?
12:30<bd_>wrkq: Sure, that's normal. I'm just saying, an open relay tester using a test email it can't receive at would run the risk of false positives - so I doubt they use support@microsoft
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12:30<bd_>not to mention it'd be just plain rude (and spammy!)
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12:31<Guspaz>Potentially illegal, too.
12:31<wrkq>Well, by "tester" I meant "spam bot", not "nice vulnerability scanner"...
12:32<wrkq>Most of these just start throwing random target addresses, so the microsoft RCPT kinda surprised me.
12:32<wrkq>Maybe part of a flood against the mainbox, dunno.
12:32<avar>jed: Yeah
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12:32<orudie>how can I really make sure that php errors are logged ?
12:32<mwalling>when did the US law go into effect that required food to have nutrition labels?
12:33<avar>orudie: turn on php error logging.
12:33<@jed>avar: jan suspected that assignment, and when I commented it out it seemed to fix it.
12:33<@jed>I'm repeating your test case endlessly to confirm, but it might be the one
12:33<wrkq>avar, that's not enough... you know all the scripts with error_reporting(0) at top >.<
12:33<wrkq>And there's no way to disable that function as far as I know, except maybe with safemode's black list.
12:33<golemz>this beginner guide is the shat
12:33<avar>jed: Awesome.
12:33<wrkq>And safemode is more trouble than it's worth.
12:34<@jed>avar: want a kernel binary to play with? you'd have to set pv-grub up for now
12:34<@jed>it's using's .config, but it's labeled 2.6.32 and is from git
12:39<golemz>obviously, once i've added my user, i turn off PermitRootLogin
12:39<golemz>(is this really on by default in ubuntu?)
12:40<avar>jed: I'll try it, cloning the linux-2.6 Git repository. Do you happen to have that patch in Git somewhere yourself?
12:40<golemz>oh right, and after i put said user in sudoers ;p
12:40<@jed>avar: I'll package it up from git, but no, this is all local
12:40<wrkq>Well, even if you'd forgot that step, there's always su.
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12:44<@jed>avar: is my binary+config
12:45<@jed>packaging linux-2.6 right now
12:48<avar>I'm cloning the linux kernel source, it'll probably be better to test this on the master branch too.
12:50<@jed>oh, I'll skip the tgz of my tree and just give a you a patch for git am then
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12:58<avar>Is up to date? On Debian testing grub is realy grub-2, and it wants to install boot records on /dev/xvda
12:58<@jed>!library PV-Grub
12:59<linbot>jed: 1. Running Custom Kernels with PV-GRUB ( - 2. Deploy VoIP Services with Asterisk and FreePBX on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) ( - 3. Linux Security Basics (
12:59<@jed>first one
13:00<@jed>hm, the file at master is different
13:00<@jed>I wonder if that's a fix
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13:02<avar>jed: 6c56ccecf05fafe100ab4ea94f6fccbf5ff00db7 looks likely
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13:03*pparadis notes that he's updating and expanding the pv-grub guide this week (it's a little dated), but the core info should work
13:03<avar>14be1f7454ea96ee614467a49cf018a1a383b189 I mean actually.
13:04<@jed>well, 6c56ccecf05fafe100ab4ea94f6fccbf5ff00db7 too
13:04<@jed>I guess I'll see if that KERN_INFO comes out in a build from HEAD
13:04<mwalling>what abouet zx908798zx7c987cz546c5z46545cz4x54c6zxc8907zx8c78787987c98z7xc?
13:04<@jed>hi mwalling, nice to see you
13:04<avar>mwalling: bow to the sha1
13:05*Nivex sha1's urmom
13:06<avar>jed: what seems to set that flag: git grep mark_tsc_unstable
13:06<randallman>SSHA1 plzkthx
13:07<avar>(git grep .. | nopaste -s Linode)++ :)
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13:07<@jed>TSCs unsynchronized, probably
13:07<@jed>that seems to be what happens
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13:08<@jed>alright, here we go
13:09<@jed>that brought the issue back.
13:09<@jed>so, that's a fix for something else - not this especially
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13:17<avar>pparadis: Do you know if that guide works on grub 2.0? I think they moved away from menu.lst entirely for that, at least debian's grub 2.0 package doesn't put it in /boot/grub, but has a bunch of other *.lst files there.
13:17<@jed>avar: it definitely doesn't work on grub 2
13:17<@jed>I'd get grub legacy if you can (you still can on latest ubuntus)
13:18<avar>Ah, that's better. GRUB 2.0 confuses me with its zillion config files :)
13:18<orudie>in ubuntu /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini i have error_reporting = E_ALL , so now where can i look for php error logs ?
13:18<@jed>Marking TSC unstable due to Xen domain
13:18<@jed>seems to work.
13:19<@jed>wow, that popped out even above BIOS-provided physical RAM map
13:19<@jed>that's early
13:19<avar>Yeah, it's when it's initializing the CPU
13:23<@pparadis>avar: last time i installed grub on lucid and lenny it wasn't grub2
13:24<@pparadis>at least, putting a proper menu.lst in the correct location should work
13:24<@pparadis>(and i believe it was autogenerated at the correct location)
13:24<avar>Yeah, I'm running Debian testing, but I just installed grub-legacy
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13:25<golemz>any reason to reduce the memory_limit in php.ini from the default 128 to the guide-suggested 64? running linode-512
13:25<@pparadis>that's really more a recommendation to _increase_ it to 64 over a default that was 32
13:26<@pparadis>but that's also only to accomodate stuff that needs that increased limit
13:27<@jed>avar: I'm gonna get lunch, but I'm leaving your perl script running in a loop and it hasn't with that patch and let me know if it works for you, I think we might have gold here
13:28<avar>Yeah I'll check it out. A bit rusty in kernel compilation, but I'm going to try to boot my Linode from linux master using that.
13:28<avar>I'll sign that patch with a Tested-by when I'm done
13:29<@jed>git am the patch, then grab my config (best): - it should make ARCH=x86_64 -j 4 after that without whining
13:29<@jed>coincidentally, that file is served from that kernel :>
13:30*jed eat
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13:34<orudie>i made a file called test.php with <?php aksjdha(); and when i point my browser to all I see is a blank page and no error, is this normal ?
13:34<avar>orudie: It's logging to your webserver error log
13:35<orudie>avar, well /var/log/apache2/error.log only returns File does not exist: /var/www/
13:35<orudie>at the time when i access test.php , shoudln't there be some kind of other php related error ?
13:36<avar>php also has its own error logging file
13:36<orudie>avar, which is ?
13:36<avar>I don't know, it's in the php manual
13:36<orudie>avar, thanks
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13:48<golemz>been using postfix for years, but should i investigate citadel groupware? 'easy to use' and 'web administration panel' sound sexy
13:50<Nivex>I really hate it when non-humans are described as sexy.
13:51<Nivex>Do you wish to have intimate relations with your groupware suite?
13:51<Nivex>Is that even possible?
13:51<golemz>this channel is chock full of raging pedants
13:52<amitz>groupwear suit...
13:52<amitz>don't want
13:52<SelfishMan>I showed urmom my raging pedant
13:53<SelfishMan>It was sexy
13:53<golemz>le sigh
13:53<Nivex>I'm sorry, but when I saw a television commercial with a cute puppy describing itself as sexy, I wanted to hurl aforementioned television great distances.
13:53<SelfishMan>amitz: s/suit/suite/
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13:53<golemz>sounds about like my reaction to the blockbuster dancing hamsters
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13:54<SelfishMan>I showed urmom my dancing hamster
13:54<golemz>aren't you a piece of work SelfishMan
13:55*SelfishMan points at the rules
13:55<ssteinerX>i showed mymom SelfishMan, she wasn't impressed
13:55<amitz>SelfishMan: it was intended to be "suit".
13:55<SelfishMan>amitz: sorry, two punny for me
13:56<SelfishMan>and yes, I meant that exactly as it was typed
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13:57<orudie>in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini i have error_reporting = E_ALL but not seeing any php errors in /var/log/apache2/error.log
13:57<@pparadis>does that vhost log errors to a different file?
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13:59<orudie>pparadis, in this vhost i have ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/error.log
13:59<orudie>pparadis, and CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined
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14:00<@pparadis>what's in /var/log/php/error.log ?
14:00<avar>pparadis: Food for the pv-grub guide:
14:01<@pparadis>yeah, the UUID entries are superfluous
14:01<@pparadis>thanks :)
14:01<avar>and that update-grub line didn't work as is, at least for me
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14:03*pparadis is gonna do pv-grub across as many distros as possible in the next couple of days to rework it all
14:03<avar>isn't the root= part of "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-rc5+ root=/dev/xvda" redundant if I set root device -> standard -> /dev/xvda in my linode config?
14:03<mwalling>wait, did someone just credit blockbuster with the hampster dance?
14:03<@pparadis>avar: on f13 i couldn't get it to boot without that
14:04<avar>ah, no then :)
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14:04<avar>anyway, let's see what this button does :)
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14:06<Guspaz>Why is FloodServ giving all these people owner?
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14:06<mwalling>Guspaz: +q is *NOT* owner.
14:06<Nivex>it's not, it's quiet
14:06<hobot>it is on some irc servers
14:06<SelfishMan>woohoo! look at those packets fly
14:06<Nivex>as in "Silence! I kill you!"
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14:07<mwalling>hobot: this is oftc-hybrid. the channel modes are documented on
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14:07<Nivex>+m the channel!
14:07-!-mode/#linode [+R] by mikegrb
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14:07<hobot>thanks mwalling
14:07-!-mode/#linode [+o mikegrb] by mikegrb
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14:07<Nivex>+R, don't know that one
14:07<SelfishMan>or just ignore join/part
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14:07<hobot>I figured it was something besides owner because they werent insta-banning everyone, just that other guy isnt crazy is all
14:08<Nivex>SelfishMan: I already am. I'm getting lines of garbage too.
14:08<amitz>ignore join/part ftw!
14:08<mwalling>Nivex: allows only nickserv identified clients to join
14:08<Nivex>mwalling: awesome
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14:09<hobot>also I dont see q in or the channel modes
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14:09<mwalling>hobot: # q - quiet this hostmask. Anyone matching this hostmask will be unable to speak on the channel
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14:11<amitz>yes, one of these days I should find out why the nicks are biased to a certain language -_-
14:11<ohkus>someone wants a refund
14:11-!-Irssi: #linode: Total of 333 nicks [11 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 322 normal]
14:11<SelfishMan>Looks like they were joining the top ten channels
14:12<hobot>amitz: I dont mean to call out anyone in specific, but the biggest botnets that raid the other servers I am in usually say they are turkish
14:13<avar>jed: Booted 2.6.35-rc5+, timing issue fixed on my Gist test \o/
14:13<mwalling>hobot: been there, had that one... i took all the klines quit messages from this channel and plotted the IPs based on maxmind's database... they were all in turkey
14:14<SelfishMan>mwalling: except for the ones from comcast
14:14<mwalling>SelfishMan: that wasn't aprt of the turkey raids
14:14<mwalling>heh, raids
14:14<mwalling>with turkeys
14:14<mwalling>imagine the thanksgiving dinner that would make
14:14<SelfishMan>I don't get it
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14:15<mwalling>if you raid 1 turkeys...
14:15<SelfishMan>That reminds me though that I need to go talk to the chicken workers
14:15<mwalling>if theres a bad section, you'll probably be good in the other turkey
14:16<amitz>is there any monetary advantage in such attack?
14:17<Eman>anyone have an idea how to get an app to compile with gcc3.4 or 4.1 that appears to need 2.7?
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14:19<maushu>Huh, what happened in the last 20 minutes?
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14:20<mwalling>Eman: alcohol. lots and lots of alcohol
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14:21<Guspaz>mwalling: +q is owner on most networks. To the extent that my client is reporting that floodserv is giving ownership out.
14:21<mwalling>Guspaz: dont care what your client does. its broken.
14:21<Kos>+q is quiet
14:21<Eman>your client isnt paying attention to the 005 string on connect.
14:21<Kos>I think
14:21<Kos>freaking inspircd/unreal ruined me
14:22<mwalling>Kos: correct. on OFTC, +q is quiet.
14:22<Eman>ie: your client isnt reading this: PREFIX=(ov)@+
14:22<tjfontaine>oh I missed another one
14:22<path>i've never seen +q to be anything other than quiet
14:22<Guspaz>I guess I just frequent strange networks :P
14:23<path>i'm wondering which ircds
14:23<path>even freenode is quiet
14:23<path>and that's the weirdest of them all
14:24<Marius>unreal uses +q for owner
14:24<Marius>along with anope
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14:24<orudie>can anyone help me with a command to grep for error_reporting on my entire /etc/apache directory?
14:24<Kos>+q on inspircd/unreal don't actually do anything
14:25<path>my perspective is probably on the older ircds which didn't even have services
14:25<Eman>+q marks you as channel founder on unreal
14:25<Guspaz>I believe +q is owner on whatever Rizon uses.
14:25<path>grep -R error_reporting /etc/apache
14:25<Eman>and prevents other chanops from kicking you etc
14:25<Kos>but +q doesn't acual give you power, you can't kick
14:26<Eman>yes it does
14:26<Kos>it's just a look
14:26<Eman>you dont need the +o, its just to trick stupid clients
14:26<@jed>avar: yeah, I think this is the one
14:26<Kos>hmm you're righ
14:26<Kos>I was misinformed
14:27<avar>jed: I'm massaging the patch a bit..
14:27<@jed>go for it
14:27<Randomskk>Kos: Kos?
14:27<@jed>give yourself credit - I'm not submitting it with that description
14:27<@jed>it's going to change before I finalize it
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14:27<Kos>Randomskk: ?
14:28<Randomskk>just wondering if you're a kos I've seen before or not
14:28<Randomskk>binary motion?
14:28<Kos>I couldn't say
14:28<Karrde>.nick Mos
14:28<Kos>a few people have asked that
14:28<Kos>oh well
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14:33<golemz>wee. drupal is just flying
14:33<tjfontaine>urmom is flying
14:34<Kos>Eman: 11:30:25 ServerMode/#chan [+q kos] by protium.
14:34<Kos>11:31:03 (mode) | Wicked: [-a-o kos kos] on #chan
14:34<hobot>yep I am a rizon boi as well
14:34<Kos>11:31:38 #chan You must be a channel half-operator
14:34<Kos>that's founder
14:35<Kos>I tried it as oper before, so I did an override
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14:37<bss>jed: the clock stability patch potentially fixes all the weird clock/CPU% issues, or just a subset thereof?
14:37<@jed>bss: hard to say
14:37<@jed>apparently all
14:37<@jed>my /proc/uptime is still unbalanced to the right, though
14:38<bss>what's the right side again?
14:38<@jed>uptime, idle time
14:39<@jed>maybe a side effect of SMP...
14:39<bss>that's what i was thinking
14:39<bss>uptime vs. sum(each node's idle)
14:39<@jed>on a host, though, uptime is always more than idle time
14:40<@jed>our dom0 is SMP, and the /proc/uptime looks right there...
14:40<@jed>no idea.
14:40<bss>oh, hmm
14:40<bss>it's heavy on the right on my native multicore boxes
14:41<@jed>uname -r?
14:41<avar>jed: I improved the commit message:
14:41<bss>of native?: Linux kynes 2.6.32-gentoo-r7 #1 SMP Wed May 12 17:26:22 CDT 2010 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
14:41<bss>sorry, that was -a
14:41<@jed>avar: I'm going to change first paragraph, too, from a caker suggestion
14:41<@jed>bss: yeah, /proc/uptime started getting heavy in the .30 series, I think
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14:42<avar>jed: Also add a newline before the */ in the comment, since it's >1 line
14:42<avar>they're picky like that, I think :)
14:42<@jed>yeah, they are
14:42<bss>i have a 2.6.31-gentoo-r6 smp box that isn't heavy
14:43<@jed>now that I know it's the bees knees I'm gonna clean it up
14:43<bss>been compiling since it's been up, though, sooo....
14:43*avar has an outstanding Git patch that went through 20 versions, it's still not in
14:43<avar>well, it's also 1200 lines and changes everything, that's not helping :)
14:45<avar>jed: Did you check if it happened on i386 too, not just x86_64 ?
14:46<@jed>I could never get it to happen on x86
14:46<@jed>I think the overflow behavior was probably different
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14:48<avar>Maybe it should be wrapped in a #if defined(CONFIG_X86_64), it'd also be interesting to get someone to test it on Itanium, there are a few cases of "if defined(CONFIG_IA64) || defined(CONFIG_X86_64)" in the kernel already
14:49<avar>I love the top of SubmittingPatches: "How to Get Your Change Into the Linux Kernel, or, Care And Operation Of Your Linus Torvalds"
14:50<bss>my linode that was getting >100% cpu processes is x86
14:54<malex>bss: could be totally different, but I ran into a similar issue. Turned out to be a problem with time keeping. I rolled back to a stable kernel instead of a paravirt kernel. Linode folks are working that one out with Xen.
14:55<@jed>malex: which is probably:
14:55<@jed>I might roll a kernel to test today, if it pans out
14:57<malex>though mine was triggered on i386
14:57<bss>jed: ping if you do? i'd love to try
14:58<avar>jed: changed it a bit, s/kernelwide/kernel-wide/, reworded the stuff I wrote a bit, and changed my e-mail:
14:58<malex>back on and no problems now.
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14:58<avar>jed: also at
14:59<avar>hrm no, nopaste+pastie that screws up unicode, so that last one is corrupt
15:00<avar>jed: Did you ping, we should get him to sign off on it since it's supposedly closing his bug
15:00<@jed>caker's gonna build a with it applied, and we'll make it available
15:00<@jed>then I'll ping him
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15:04<TimothyA1>what was the point of that flood?
15:04<avar>jed: Seems like they like to have Reported-by lines too, so I added that:
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15:07<avar>jed: Urm, a bit more:
15:07<@jed>avar: you're as bad as caker tweakin' :D
15:07<avar>Mentioned the sort of system it failed on
15:08<@jed>cool, I'll point the forum guys at it
15:08<tjfontaine>man the multiple ban removal *almost* worked
15:08<avar>Just hire me, I'll tweak stuff all day
15:09<Karrde>are you related to Yaakov ?
15:09<tjfontaine>fo0bar: hai
15:09<@jed>welcome back
15:09<fo0bar>tjfontaine: who are you?
15:09<tjfontaine>fo0bar: noone of consequence
15:09<fo0bar>jed: :)
15:09<Nivex>What is your name? What is your quest? What is the capital of Assyria?
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15:11<opello>fo0bar: he's t-j-mother-fucking-fontaine, yo
15:12<avar>"Enabling additional executable binary formats: binfmt-supportFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.35-rc5+/modules.d"
15:12<avar>hrm, so I need make modules_install even if the kernel doesn't load any
15:12<avar>Ah, because Debian just expects it there
15:13<@jed>modules.dep helper enabled in your config?
15:13<@jed>it should have created that
15:13<@jed>oh wait, pv-grub .. nm.
15:13<avar>Yeah, I just did make install and neglected make modules_install
15:13<linbot>New news from forums: Xen timing wonkyness in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
15:14<tanto>anyone work at best buy by any chance?
15:14*Guspaz shudders
15:15<Guspaz>(not to say that I do, only that I shudder at the possibility)
15:16<tanto>i was wondering if i buy an evo at best buy, can i do the 1 year contract rather than a 2 year
15:17<mdcollins>tanto, I don't see why not, but the price would be higher than the 2 year contract..
15:17<avar>I don't get a shell in lish after the upgrade, I probably need this, even though I have both /dev/tty0 and /dev/hvc0:
15:17<avar>silly software
15:17<tanto>mdcollins: yeah i just couldn't find any information about it online
15:17<tanto>i guess i'll give them a call
15:17<@jed>avar: yeah, I never do, and I never bothered to fix it because I know why
15:18<mdcollins>They typically don't advertise it. 2 years contracts pay more than 1 year.
15:18<Guspaz>We only have 3 year contracts in Canada :(
15:18<Guspaz>Else you pay the full cost of the phone yourself.
15:19<Guspaz>Upside: if you buy an iPhone at full price, it's carrier unlocked out of the box.
15:19<hawk>mdcollins: Sure, but you obviously get to pay more upfront with a 1 year contract... Shouldn't be a huge difference to them
15:23<mdcollins>It shouldn't but the cell companies pay more for the 2 year contract (they make more) so, they discount the phone a bit more to give incentive for the 2 year over the 1 year. Plus Best Buy is an authorized agent, not the company themselves, so the only way they make money is on the contracts and accessories.
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15:25<mdcollins>It sucks, but until the companies can't or won't subsidize phones, we will have contracts for the service, and in the US I wouldn't be surprised if they get longer too.
15:25<mdcollins>s/they get/ the contracts get/
15:26<jeek>tanto: majikal mean anything to you?
15:27<hawk>mdcollins: Is anything actually stopping the people who have seen the light from just buying the phones? Is really no one just selling phones in the US?
15:27<tanto>jeek yeah that's old school lol
15:28<tanto>tajiki or whatever
15:28<avar>hah, I wonder if this is a bash bug:
15:28<avar>silly bash, \W in /boot is "bott"
15:28<avar>but basename /boot ==> boot
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15:28<mdcollins>hawk, You can buy the phones by themselves, either online or through any cell phone reseller. So far only T-Mobile has a contract-less plan that is equivalent to a regular plan, but cheaper.
15:28<jeek>tanto: srsly
15:29*jeek hugs his longlost IRC brother from 15 years ago
15:29<hawk>avar: Looks kind of messed up
15:30<hawk>avar: What version of bash?
15:30<mdcollins>I actually bought my Nexus One at full price and converted to the contract-less plan with t-mobile, saving $15 a month. Which if I keep the phone for about 2 years, it'll pay for the difference in price for the phone. Cheaper phones are even better.
15:30<avar>GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
15:31<hawk>avar: Ok, doesn't repro in mine, but that's older... GNU bash, version 3.2.39(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
15:31<tanto>jeek i still hang out with mrbubbles and some other people
15:31<tanto>on the private hick network
15:32<avar>I can't find a bash source repo, it's probably still only maintained as tarballs
15:32<avar>But hey, this is something I can outsource to Debian, reportbug(1) it is!
15:38<Guspaz>Is costco's photo printing any good? We need 3x33 prints of digital photos for autograph signing for a guest to our convention.
15:39<mendel>guspaz: we used them for our wedding prints, they're great, and great prices
15:39<hawk>mdcollins: Ok, so the problem is more or less that most of the operators force you effectively pay off a phone even if you didn't opt to get a phone?
15:39<Guspaz>mendel: Do you need a costco membership?
15:39<mendel>think so, yeah
15:39<mendel>not sure, we had one
15:40<Guspaz>Hmm. Well, I know some of our staff who do have a membership...
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15:40<mendel>Guspaz: Shoppers Drug Mart is also decent
15:41<Guspaz>I think those are "Pharmaprix" here.
15:41<mendel>oh right, yep
15:42<Guspaz>Between the two, for quality of prints, which would you choose?
15:42<Guspaz>Actually I think the local pharmaprix doesn't do photos except for a kiosk.
15:43<Guspaz>And I'm not sure if I trust the local Jean Coutu.
15:43<Guspaz>They did mediocre work on my passport photo.
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15:46<Limey_Packet>Does it violate Linode's TOS or other rules to give someone else access to their VPS's control panel and give the SSH access and stuff like that?
15:47<mdcollins>hawk, Yes on most of the carriers there is no price difference on plans between bringing your own phone or getting a subsidized one from them.
15:47<avar>Limey_Packet: no
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15:49<tjfontaine>Limey_Packet: in fact there is a way to add users to your account specifically for that purpose
15:49<jldugger>Limey_Packet: i think you can even add users without giving them access to your finances
15:49<tjfontaine>Limey_Packet: [you shouldn't share your own personal passwords for reasons I hope are clear]
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15:56<SelfishMan>Dear Dell: Thank you so much for putting the eject button right next to the insert key. There is no chance of accidentally hitting that while coding and watching a movie.
15:56<mdcollins>Definitely impossible.
15:57<@jed>not as bad as the sleep button
15:58<Randomskk>so I like my keyboard that doesmn't have all this fancy shit
15:58<Randomskk>why on earth would you want sleep OR eject on your keyboard
15:58<@jed>jeek: are you the jeek of DALnet fame?
15:58<@jed>I think I know you.
15:58*Randomskk looks at macs
15:58<@jed>you and tanto, coincidentally
15:59<sirpengi>SelfishMan: dell is trying to tell you to not be distracted when you code
16:05<Yaakov>jeek is a freek.
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16:06<Yaakov>jeek touched me bad.
16:07<@Perihelion>You loved it
16:07<linbot>New news from forums: Disk speed in General Discussion <>
16:07<cmayo>can a staffer help me with a billing issue, please
16:07<Yaakov>I cried.
16:07<@Perihelion>I don't have a mouse for my computer right now, but I can try :>
16:07<@Perihelion>What's up
16:07<Solver>so you're stuck in an irc window huh :)
16:08<@Perihelion>Si, but at least my client is all command line
16:08<cmayo>Perihelion: i have my boss' assistant's P-card. i'd like to purchase the backup service for our linode 1024 for 2 years.
16:08<SelfishMan>sirpengi: i assure you there aren't any movie quotes in my code
16:08<cmayo>caker: said to open a ticket. what exactly do i need to do?
16:08<Karrde>Scanner darkly = new Scanner();
16:08<@Perihelion>You should be able to do that under the "Support" tab
16:08<@jed>cmayo: are you able to log in to the Linode Manager?
16:09<cmayo>but it's a different p-card than what we used to order 2 years of the 1024 plan
16:09<Karrde>what's a p-card?
16:10<cmayo>credit card for large institutions
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16:13<jimgayGs>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13<gayFlour>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13<IrcPumpG>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13<Horsemax>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13<hard_msi>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*@2001:470:89dc:1337:f34:8d31:5468:891b] by FloodServ
16:13<gayFlour>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13<die_pump>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13-!-mode/#linode [+R] by jed
16:13-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*@2001:470:89dc:1337:db9f:d2d7:f1b3:40d] by FloodServ
16:13<Ngr_Deat>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*@2001:470:89dc:1337:cd5d:312d:94a0:7f6d] by FloodServ
16:13<GoudaHor>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*@2001:470:89dc:1337:be05:6b9:18f9:3e53] by FloodServ
16:13<Noggapps>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13<Lyfesmac>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:13<jimgayGs>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
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16:13-!-mode/#linode [-M] by jed
16:13*jed sighs
16:14<tjfontaine>fucking ipv6
16:14<@jed>ipv6 abuse, imagine that
16:14<Gurpartap>Once again plz
16:14<tjfontaine>you should see snotes
16:14<Gurpartap>Hmm how ipv6?
16:15<tjfontaine>the hostname
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16:16<grawity>On the bright side, there is only one 2001:470:89dc::/48 instead of a fuckton proxies scattered around the world.
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16:17<Yaakov>tjfontaine: So easy to ban.
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16:17<tjfontaine>ya, should be relatively safe at the moment
16:18<Guspaz>But nobody hanned it.
16:18<tjfontaine>Guspaz: at the network level, kthx
16:18<Guspaz>Ah ^_^
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16:19<Guspaz>What's with all the spamming today, anyhow? #linode isn't usually the target of such things.
16:19<squircle>woah; you have to be identified to join #linode now? that's new.
16:19<Guspaz>squircle: spammage
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16:21-!-mode/#linode [-R] by jed
16:21<@jed>tjfontaine: safe?
16:21<tjfontaine>yes relatively
16:21*jed aliases /lock
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16:23<Guspaz>You could have linbot automatically lock down the channel for a while when there is another attack.
16:24<golemz>we're being attaaaacked! </warcraft2>
16:24<golemz>oops, my ident is ~, is that gonna be a problem
16:25<@jed>Guspaz: I could do it the way I am right now
16:26<avar>jed: $ uname -r ==> 2.6.35-rc5-Avar-Akbar+
16:26<avar>I wonder if I can also compile everything out I don't need, and compile it with -O3 -funroll-loops
16:26<avar>This is like 2002 with Gentoo all over again :)
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16:26<golemz>optimize, enhance, extreme
16:26<amacgregor>I'm trying to get passenger working on mys erver
16:27<avar>Like, I was really disapoint to find that Linode compiles XFS kernels, wasting precious bytes on my system.
16:27<tjfontaine>ha ha
16:27<Guspaz>jed: Well, remember what happened the LAST time you decided to stay up 24/7 to monitor the IRC channel. I don't think the cat will ever forget.
16:28<tjfontaine>jed: there is also autolimit
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16:28<Ircmugab>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) for complaints! Also visit for free porn!
16:28-!-Diegouda [~Lindenmo@2001:470:89dc:1101:2986:6a88:8cd3:afc0] has joined #linode
16:28<Php_yaho>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) for complaints! Also visit for free porn!
16:28<Ircmugab>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) for complaints! Also visit for free porn!
16:28<Php_yaho>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) for complaints! Also visit for free porn!
16:28<Mugabejr>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) for complaints! Also visit for free porn!
16:28<Ircmugab>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) for complaints! Also visit for free porn!
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16:28<Php_yaho>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) for complaints! Also visit for free porn!
16:28-!-mode/#linode [+M] by Perihelion
16:28-!-mode/#linode [+R] by tjfontaine
16:28<@jed>oh, another tunnel
16:28<avar>Probably like at least 3000 bytes out of 2GB (2147483648), that's like 0.00013%, almost 0.00014%!
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16:28<avar>Ok, evidently trolling isn't in right now :)
16:28<avar>I didn't know the GNAA was still active, this *really is* 2002 all over again.
16:29<avar>jed: I think you may have created some sort of rift in the time-space continuum by tweaking that time setting in the kernel
16:30-!-mode/#linode [-M] by jed
16:30*Kos just registered
16:30<Guspaz>If only I had known that I could get a free delorean by becoming a kernel hacker...
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16:30<@jed>tjfontaine: gotta be in #linode
16:30<Kos>aw yeah IRC botnet, fun stuff
16:30<@jed>he was yesterday
16:30<golemz>autolimit == dynamic maxusers?
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16:31<tjfontaine>there it is
16:31<tjfontaine>golemz: yes
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16:32<Alan_>that's gotta be the first time i've ever seen IPv6 spambotting
16:33-!-golemz is now known as golem
16:33<golem>oh, drat.
16:33<@jed>I e-mailed HE, let's see if they figure out the customer creating tunnels
16:33-!-golem is now known as golemz
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16:33<grawity>Seems to be _one_ tunnel, /48.
16:33<tjfontaine>hmm I thought the event was every 30, I guess it's 60
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16:34*squircle prods squircle|iphone
16:34<Guspaz>Does... does this mean that IPv6 adoption is rising?
16:34<hawk>Guspaz: It has been adopted by the kiddies at least...?
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16:35<golemz>i havent installed an ident responder in ages, is oidentd ok?
16:35<@jed>I prefer oidentd
16:35<@Perihelion>I use it
16:35<avar>hrm, could someone running Debian give me the output of: grep -C 3 ^0.*respawn /etc/inittab
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16:35<tjfontaine>0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 hvc0
16:35<golemz>jed: wat
16:35<tjfontaine>or tty0
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16:36<@jed>avar: make sure device nodes are present for /dev/hvc0
16:36<amacgregor>any advice on what could be the problem on
16:36<amacgregor>passenger is installed and enabled but not working
16:36<avar>jed: Yeah it's working. I just want to commit the original *before* I commit the change, but I can't recall if I added one line or not :)
16:36<avar>and dpkg -S /etc/inittab doesn't say where it came from
16:36<squircle>what's an ident daemon?
16:37<avar>A thingy that tells people what user is bound to a given port
16:37<@jed>"what username on this machine is responsible for this network connection?"
16:37-!-mode/#linode [+l 335] by ChanServ
16:38<tjfontaine>or better known as: "one of the more easily forged responses in history"
16:38<@jed> :>
16:38<hawk>tjfontaine: Implementations do vary :>
16:38<squircle>what use does ident have?
16:38<tjfontaine>squircle: none, identity on the internet is hard, mmk
16:38<@Perihelion>Aww, it didnt respond
16:39<hawk>squircle: Little actual use... as there is no way you can actually trust it for anything of importance
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16:39<RoosterJuice>anyone here?
16:39<tjfontaine>probably not
16:39<avar>some irc networks demand that you have an identd running
16:39<@jed>nope, we're all hiding in the walls
16:39<RoosterJuice>hi there... i currently have a slice on slicehost. I am happy with their service, however I cant help but notice you guys offer 512 for the same price as my 256... can you use RSYNC or something to replicate a linux server image EXACTLY as it currently is?
16:39<tjfontaine>with in reason, yes
16:39<grawity>Reverse identd is fun too
16:40<mdcollins>Wow, massive work fail.. People are getting on my phone line, but they can't hear me.
16:40<Guspaz>RoosterJuice: Does slicehost use Xen?
16:40<RoosterJuice>Guspaz i beleive so
16:40<Guspaz>I think it would be relatively straightforward then
16:41<squircle>squircle|iphone: *bump*
16:42<golemz>linbot: reverse dns?
16:45<amacgregor>hmm wondering why is not working
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16:47<amacgregor>I don't even get a passegner error but the contents of dispatch.fcgi
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16:48<RoosterJuice>thanx guys
16:48<mwalling>also, linode is a gagillion times better then anyone else
16:49<golemz>i know right!
16:49<mwalling>urmom knows
16:49<RoosterJuice>mwalling, thats what I keep hearing in EVERY article i read
16:49<golemz>at the risk of sounding stupid, what's the deal with reverse dns..
16:49<RoosterJuice>i try to find one that says slice host is better, but i cant seem to
16:49<tjfontaine>golemz: what deal?
16:49<mwalling>golemz: huh?
16:50<hawk>golemz: Can you elaborate?
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16:50<golemz>do i configure it in dns manager?
16:50<@jed>Network tab
16:50<golemz>or is it only avail for additional ips
16:50<golemz>oh :)
16:50<tjfontaine>RoosterJuice: this channel isn't likely to sway your opinion any direction but LINODE IS WESOME
16:50<golemz>i'm a dumbass
16:50<amacgregor>I'm trying to configure my server to use passenger, everything seems to be installed correctly but when I got to instead of seeing my application I only see the contents of dispatch.fcgi
16:50<@jed>amacgregor: because apache isn't configured to talk to passenger, most likely, and is serving that file as plain text
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16:51<RoosterJuice>the one thing I like about slicehost is they provide excellent irc support... how is linode's irc support
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16:51<tjfontaine>RoosterJuice: we're amazing, if not sarcastic
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16:51<mwalling>very sarcastic
16:51<mwalling>but we're also smarter
16:51<mwalling>because we use linode
16:51<golemz>RoosterJuice: for what it's worth, i spent time soliciting recommendations and really only ended up with slicehost and linode for VPSes
16:51<mwalling>we dont throw away twice as much money for an inferrior product
16:52<amacgregor>jed: I might be missing something but passenger is loaded as an extension on apache
16:52<RoosterJuice>ya.. i really have absolutely nothing to compain about with slicehost, but a 512 for 20/month is extremely tasty
16:52<nisstyre56>linode has the best customer service by far as well
16:52<amacgregor>jed: could it be my vhost configuration ?
16:52<cmayo>how do i tell a robots.txt file to ignore* ? that is, i want it to ignore the cite folder, and everything in it...
16:52<golemz>linodes irc attitudes are the perfect balance of helpfulness and urmomness
16:53<amacgregor>jed if I setup a my RailsBaseURI / I finally get a passenger error
16:53<mwalling>with a side helping of thats what she said
16:53<squircle>golemz: urmom's attitude... never mind
16:54<Guspaz>RoosterJuice: FYI, anybody here with ops are Linode staff.
16:54<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
16:54<squircle|iphone>squircle: test
16:54<squircle>damn you iphone
16:54<RoosterJuice>ok well i think i'll give it a whirl... $20 is much of a risk
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16:54<tjfontaine>also 7 day money back, and pro-rated credits after that
16:54<RoosterJuice>and i've heard nothing but good things
16:54<golemz>its prorated too!
16:54<Guspaz>Consider that Linode has only 15 employees, and count the ops here ;)
16:55<RoosterJuice>I'm IN
16:55<Eman>only 15? i remember when it was only 2
16:55<mwalling>i remember 3
16:55<tjfontaine>pffft, I remember 1 :)
16:55<Guspaz>I remember 0.
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16:55<mwalling>Guspaz: shut up
16:56<Yaakov>I remember when caker wore diapers.
16:56<cmayo>mwalling: so i can use a wildcard, so User-agent: * Disallow: /cite/ Disallow: /cite/* and then i'm done?
16:56<Yaakov>But that's only last week so...
16:56<mwalling>cmayo: i dont *THINK* that you need the second one, but it cant hurt to have it
16:56<golemz>are you making a pun on 'site'
16:56<mwalling>cmayo: other then that, every time i write a robots.txt, i head to taht site
16:57<cmayo>golemz: no, we're an academic site and therefore every page has a cite link that brings you to another page, which will give you a citation for that page in ~8 formats
16:57<golemz>oh :)
16:58<cmayo>mwalling: restart apache?
16:58<mwalling>cmayo: uh, no?
16:58<mwalling>cmayo: robots read the robots file. its got nothign to do with the httpd
16:58<tjfontaine>[though it might have something to do with caching infrastructure]
16:59<mdcollins>Taking a poll: What's worse? Long hold times or getting disconnected either during or before getting a rep?
16:59<cmayo>mwalling: for your reference, i just used a syntax checker and got this: Wildcards aren't supported. Wildcards such as '*', '.' and '?' aren't supported. For example instead of writing Disallow: /foo.* you should just write Disallow: /foo
17:00<mwalling>cmayo: like i said, i didnt think you needed the second one :)
17:00<cmayo>how long does it take for google to go through this and update its engine?
17:01<hawk>That falls into the "black magic secrets of the goog" category, doesn't it?
17:02<@jed>avar: I've thought about maintaining a fly-light kernel
17:02<@jed>maybe not officially, but on the side - never gotten around to it, though
17:02<cmayo>jed: can you please help me?
17:02*amacgregor is out of ideas of why radiantCMS is not working on passenger
17:03<cmayo>i opened a support ticket and someone misread my email or something
17:03<cmayo>billed it to the wrong pcard
17:03<@caker>cmayo: please direct any billing inquiries towards the ticketing system
17:03<cmayo>caker: that's what i did, and evidently they can't understand what i write and billed it to the wrong pcard, and i've already received the invoice, and the wrong person was CC'ed.
17:04<cmayo>if it's not fixed immediately, i'm in deep shit
17:04<amacgregor>jed: could you give me a hand with this passenger issue ?
17:04<Guspaz>amacgregor: Kick them out of the vehicle while it's moving. Problem solved.
17:04<@jed>amacgregor: I know nothing about Ruby on Rails or Passenger
17:04<cmayo>caker: 217435 is my ticket number
17:04<mwalling>cmayo: i think if you go into google webmaster tools you can do some stuff
17:04<@caker>cmayo: please state your case in the ticket and someone will help you right away
17:04<amacgregor>Guspaz: lol
17:04<avar>jed: Is there any point in doing so?
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17:05<@jed>avar: that's been the moment of pause in thinking about it
17:05<@jed>there's not really, no
17:05<avar>The redundant code that's compiled into the Linode kernels just doesn't get loaded, so it doesn't matter.
17:05<golemz>there should be a drupal howto in the linode CMS tutorial section! :)
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17:05<tanto>what's a good mac torrent app?
17:06<golemz>utorrent mac
17:06<squircle>tanto: transmission
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17:06<@jed>no, it does - it's all loaded into memory, it's compiled without loadable module support - about the only gain would be the loss of the XFS/JFS processes that sit at the top of ps
17:06<golemz>vuze if you're into bloatware
17:06<tanto>what's a good free mac torrent app =)
17:06<cmayo>caker: i just did
17:06<Guspaz>uTorrent has a mac port now.
17:06<cmayo>i like utorrent
17:06<cmayo>transmission has way too many updates
17:06<cmayo>like every day
17:06<golemz>yes, utorrent is the bees knees
17:06<avar>jed: Yeah, I wonder if you'd get more cache locality with the kernel itself, i.e. whether the kernel gets mapped into memory in such a way that that matters. Probably not.
17:07<grawity>cmayo: And the problem with frequent updates is?...
17:07<Guspaz>Bees knees are very small and lightweight, so it's an apt analogy.
17:07<cmayo>it's annoying
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17:07<@jed>avar: exactly, such little gain
17:08<avar>One thing that might actually give you some gain is compiling a kernel with icc instead of gcc, last I checked it was somewhat better.
17:08<avar>But that's getting into --omg-optimize territory again
17:09<tanto>what about a good mac s3 client?
17:09<@caker>cmayo: that was just an invoice - no payment was made. But, our system will attempt to charge the card on file in a few hours. You should change the card on file and clear the balance beforehand
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17:10<mwalling>tanto: cyberduck
17:10<tanto>cyberduck keeps asking me to accept the ssl cert
17:10<tanto>and it's freaking annoying
17:10<cmayo>caker: so now it's going to be charged, and then what? the grant money is through the other p-card.
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17:10<cmayo>i like transmit
17:10<Yaakov>tanto: Or Firefox with a plugin.
17:10<@caker>cmayo: huh?
17:10<tanto>yeah i have s3fox
17:10<nisstyre56>tanto: compile it with support for all certs?
17:10-!-mode/#linode [+l 332] by ChanServ
17:10<tanto>i use chrome though :/
17:11<mwalling>cmayo: the card on file will be charged. caker said to change the card on file before it charges it
17:11<cmayo>caker: if i change it now, will the old pcard be invoiced or simply the new card on file?
17:11<@caker>cmayo: change the card FIRST then clear the balance
17:11<Yaakov>tanto: Tangentially related.
17:11<@caker>cmayo: the current card is the one that gets charged...
17:12<Nivex>the java, it burns!
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17:13<cmayo>caker: how do i clear the balance?
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17:13<cmayo>by clicking "make a payment"?
17:14<@caker>cmayo: account tab, "current balance: $9,000,000 (click to charge)"
17:14<@caker>or make a payment - either one.
17:14<Yaakov>caker: Could you make that my balance, please?
17:14<@jed>Yaakov: I can
17:14<@jed>I'm pretty sure you just asked for it
17:14<@jed>so my bases are covered, yeah? caker?
17:14<mdcollins>Do it! and take a screen shot of it!
17:15*jed likes his job and wusses out
17:15-!-mode/#linode [-qqqq *!*@ *!* *!* *!*] by tjfontaine
17:15<mdcollins>jed, he's asking for it!
17:15-!-mode/#linode [-q *!*] by tjfontaine
17:15<@jed>yeah but then we try to charge $9mil to his credit card, and our payment processor cancels us for fraud, and the building burns down, etc
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17:16<Yaakov>No, I want a BALANCE of 9 million.
17:16<mdcollins>Bah, I see your point.
17:16<tjfontaine>+9 not -9
17:16<@jed>balances are always in our favor
17:17<tjfontaine>the house always wins
17:17<golemz>dumb question alert: i just added a second ip; how can i set ITS reverse dns?
17:17<@caker>same way you set the first one, golemz
17:17<Yaakov>jed: Not in my multiverse.
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17:17<@jed>golemz: based on your input, it picks an IP
17:17<golemz>oh, maybe i need to wait the 15 minutes
17:17<@caker>golemz: you provide hostname, it looks it up, and offers any matches it finds for all the IPs for that Linode
17:18<golemz>yeah i just set it, it only gave me one, gotta wait!
17:18<cmayo>caker: you might want to look into this, i just updated the card and everything, went to make a payment, wouldn't let me (said denied). went back to the credit card page, everything was zeroed out and said card had expired, and the contact info was not the updated contact info, but the old contact info. updated again, and it worked fine
17:18<cmayo>used the CVV number both times...
17:19<cmayo>caker: can i also get a copy of the invoice, please?
17:19<@caker>cmayo: Billing History
17:19<@caker>cmayo: the zeroing was a misfire by a support person on our end
17:19<cmayo>heh, lee and i were working at the same time
17:19<@caker>cmayo: I removed the zeroed entry (but saw you changed it soon after I did that anyhow)
17:19<cmayo>yeah, i just got the email
17:20<cmayo>am i all set now?
17:20<@jed>we have to bill you $99 for the support incident, but yes
17:20*jed kids
17:20<@caker>cmayo: do you want that card to be charged next time you generate a balance?
17:20<@caker>if not, you should change it now :)
17:20<cmayo>well, we aren't due for a charge for 20 or so months, so i think it is safe to stay
17:21*mdcollins imagine the bill for that
17:21<tjfontaine>credit score famous last words
17:21<cmayo>unless i'm forgetting something. btw, can we pay for more than 2 years at a time for webhosting?
17:21<cmayo>we have a grant, but it's only good until the end of this year
17:21<cmayo>so we want to use as much as possible...
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17:22<tjfontaine>man, Linode ... Powered by Harvard
17:22<cmayo>we've got 10 years on both domains, two years on hosting, two years on backup service
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17:23<@caker>cmayo: certainly: make a payment link makes that easy
17:23*avar hates on linode's phpbb
17:23<tjfontaine>caker: I represent a fortune 100 company, I'd like to buy 10 years of service and your brand ;)
17:24<@jed>$900m for the name, $1.4b for assets
17:24<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:24<@jed>$200b for cake.
17:24<@jed>cash only deal
17:24<@Perihelion>$1 for the Perihelion
17:24<tjfontaine>Perihelion: sold
17:25<cmayo>caker: so just do $39.95 * 24 - 15%?
17:25<tanto>my internet is too slow to download torrents and use s3 at the same time
17:25<@Perihelion>I come with my own bag of Doritos
17:25<@jed>and a werther's
17:26<cmayo>tjfontaine: you wouldn't believe the price harvard charges to host on their own servers
17:26<Nivex>$20 and a reese's peanut butter cup!
17:26<tjfontaine>cmayo: I would believe it, and I'm happy they're using linode :)
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17:27<cmayo>why happy?
17:27<tjfontaine>me and linode are like this -><-
17:27<tjfontaine>so when awesome companies use linode I feel awesome
17:27<tjfontaine>because I feel like I helped make that happen :)
17:29<avar>What big sites use linode? I just know about theonion
17:29<emopart>torrents are so bad
17:29<emopart>almost the worst form of file transfer
17:29<emopart>worse than xdcc bots
17:30<cmayo>avar: besides ours?
17:30<avar>cmayo: Yours being?
17:30<avar>emopart: xdcc doesn't distribute the bandwith
17:30<tjfontaine>avar: I just go by man :)
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17:33<diederik>hi, i have a question about rebooting apache. when i enter apache2ctl -k stop it says httpd (pid 25660?) not running however my site is available and when I enter apach2ctl -k start it says: (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address
17:33<diederik>no listening sockets available, shutting down
17:33<diederik>Unable to open logs
17:33<diederik>this used to work, how do I fix this?
17:33<nisstyre56>use init.d instead?
17:33<nisstyre56>/etc/init.d/apche2 stop ?
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17:34<nisstyre56>or ps aux | grep apache then kill -9 the process, start it again using init.d and see if you can stop/start it
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17:35<diederik>mmmmm when I do ps aux | grep apache then i see 10 attempts of starting apache most of them on july 11th, but I am sure I did not do that, should I be worried?
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17:36<@jed>folks, please test 2.6.34-x86_64-linode14 if you're currently running paravirt
17:36<@jed>and let us know how it goes - we would be grateful
17:36<@caker>and 64 bit.
17:36<nisstyre56>diederik: go through and kill every process, or just reboot, then try stopping and starting apache using init.d
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17:37<mwalling>diederik: are you root or sudo?
17:37<squircle>stupid question: why do linodes need their own custom kernels? does it have to do with xen interoperability?
17:37<@caker>kernels compiled for hardware expect hardware
17:38<@caker>and emulating hardware is slow. Hence paravirtualization - kernels that know they're running under a hypervisor
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17:40<avar>jed: I'm doing all the neat stuff I couldn't because of funky real times now :)
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17:42<diederik>mmm i killed all processes but I can't start apache using apache2ctl and using init.d it gives the same error
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17:50<avar>like, what's *really* the optimal -j setting for running the Git tests:
17:52<avar>probably not, actually, I think it might be closer to 15
17:52<avar>A lot of them aren't resource limited, and if I just run 4 at a time they whole test suite ends up stalling due to long running tests
17:53*MeCooL :)
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17:59<Alan_>wow, i think i found something slower than ruby on rails!
17:59<Alan_>"gem install"
18:00<Randomskk>gem is so friggin slow
18:00<avar>the rdoc part of that is epicly slow
18:00<Alan_>WTF is up with ruby?
18:00<Randomskk>I have rdoc disabled
18:00<Randomskk>and the other one
18:00<Randomskk>what's the other one. rsomething
18:00<Randomskk>both documentation types
18:00<Randomskk>the documentation for most gems is shockingly dire anyway
18:00<Karrde>seriously, what's up with airplane food?
18:00<Randomskk>you're going to end up having to read the source
18:00<Alan_>I love how ruby is actually outperformed by Prolog in some benchmarks
18:00<Alan_>that shouldn't be possible :|
18:01<Alan_>I don't program ruby :P
18:01<Alan_>I just unfortunately find myself deploying a RoR app occasionally...
18:01<Alan_>... and wondering why the hell i bothered...
18:02<avar>Urm, why should that not be possible? Prolog is an old, optimized, simple language
18:02<Yaakov>There are some new Ruby implementation thingies that are very fast. Not produxtion yet but apparently very promising. I just saw a talk on it but can't recall the name.
18:02<avar>Anyway, if you want something ruby like that actually has docs and mature tools use Perl
18:02<Yaakov>production, too.
18:02<Alan_>or Python
18:03<sirpengi>I used RoR once and I never went back, so my opinion of it is from years ago
18:03<Alan_>Not a fan of perl
18:03<Yaakov>Perl is greatatic but Ruby is easier for non-perl programmers.
18:04<Alan_>Ruby somehow has managed to get a flagship project before having a stable well-implemented language...
18:04<Yaakov>Hrm... greatastic too.
18:04<avar>Well, Scheme is easier than both of them. The advantege Perl has is a crapload of libs, so it ends up being easier in the long run.
18:04<Alan_>Non-Perl = likes their eyeballs intact
18:04<Alan_>Perl is atrocious syntactically.
18:05<Alan_>avar: the same reason i like python
18:05<Alan_>the stdlib is awesome, and many many many other libs
18:06<avar>Syntax is possibly the most superficial criteria to pick a language, it's like all those people that whine over python's whitespace rules.
18:06<Alan_>heh, true
18:06<avar>In practice looking at the actual logic of programs is the hardest part, not whether they use $foo or foo for variables, or use begin/end or { and } for blocks, etc.
18:06<golemz>er, do i need to ifconfig to add the second IP i bought? ;p
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18:15<Yaakov>Alan_: Perl is beautiful. You have to know how to write it, and how to read it. It is really very lovely if you know.
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18:16<@pparadis>!library static networking
18:17<linbot>pparadis: timed out
18:17<@pparadis>golemz: that ^ :)
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18:21<golemz>yeah i just issued a ticket, I rebooted before setting my ip :\
18:21<golemz>now it's dead in the water
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18:21<@caker>golemz: LISH.
18:21<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled.
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18:25<@caker>Yaakov: .
18:25<@jed>lost interest at first camera bump
18:25<Yaakov>caker: The Surprising Adventures of Sir Digby Chicken Ceaser!
18:26<RoosterJuice>anyone know any thing about git?
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18:26<@jed>RoosterJuice: how long is a piece of string?
18:26<@caker>I desire: macaroni pictures
18:26<@pparadis>!library git
18:26<linbot>pparadis: 1. Git Source Control Management ( - 2. Host Git Based Development Networks with Girocco on Debian 5 (Lenny) ( - 3. Create a Wiki with Ikiwiki on Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) (
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18:26<RoosterJuice>im getting "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly"
18:27<RoosterJuice>i'm assuming it's because i don't have my password saved in ssh
18:27<RoosterJuice>is there a way to specify passwords in git?
18:29<sirpengi>Permission denied, please try again.
18:30<@pparadis>Yaakov: i have been enjoying :)
18:30<Yaakov>pparadis: I knew you would.
18:30<@pparadis>it is most excellent
18:30<Yaakov>caker doesn't like it.
18:30<Yaakov>Instead he mocks my religion!
18:30<@pparadis>that's okay. more bits for me!
18:31<hobot>caker will always mock you
18:31<hobot>its just his way
18:32<Yaakov>caker loves me, with a love great and huge.
18:32<golemz>where in the linode manager does it discuss the network settings with the specific phrase 'if you are using static ips, use the info to the left and you'll be set.' or similar
18:32<golemz>ugh nm found it
18:32<@caker>golemz: config profile editor
18:32<golemz>yes :(
18:33<golemz>i guess my dumb question is, what's my network number. x.x.x.0?
18:35<@pparadis>yes, but it shouldn't be necessary to specify that
18:35<@pparadis>address/netmask/gateway (one gateway only) should be all you need
18:35<golemz>and the broadcast is 255 and similarly unnecessary
18:38<linbot>New news from forums: SSH Suddenly Stopped Working (Permission Denied) in General Discussion <>
18:42<@pparadis> <-- there actually is one outside in absecon right now
18:42<daevien>that or jed spiked the coffee with lsd again
18:43<Pryon>There is *always* a double rainbow.
18:45<mdcollins>pparadis, mind if I send you a /msg?
18:46<daevien>mdcollins: all hatemail is directed to jed, not pparadis
18:46<@jed>all hatemail is then immediately discarded and replied to with the top image on 4chan
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18:47<daevien>ssh, that part was supposed to be with yoru inner voice jed
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18:48<ericoc>i see shoprite
18:48<@Perihelion>I herd u liek starbux
18:48<golemz>i was just linked to a room full of naked men surrounding a lone naked man face down on a table. caption: what would you do? answer: leave the apple store
18:48<golemz>on 4chan
18:48<@pparadis>Perihelion: yah :)
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18:48<@pparadis>golemz: that does not surprise me.
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18:51<mdcollins>Ahaha! Hate mail sent!
18:51<mdcollins>Jk, I <3 linode.
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18:59<@jed>golemz: that was the best done-in-one ever on 4chan, btw
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18:59<@jed>someone sent me that this morning
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19:03<golemz>jed: yeah. bazinga
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19:17<A-KO>Old Spice has officially won the internets
19:17<@jed>yes, they have
19:17<A-KO>that's impressive
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19:18*jed changes voicemail message
19:19<A-KO>I shall buy some old spice just in support of this
19:20<Karrde>some marketing department deserves a raise
19:20<sirpengi>you guys get pretty excited over a 403
19:20<A-KO>^ responded to 4chan/Anon
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19:44<encode>jed: awesome.
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20:10<magn3ts>I thought I had devised a way to move data between my two disk images... but when I do "sudo fdisk -l" it tells me that each one of them "does not contain a valid partition table".
20:18<mdcollins>magn3ts, what command were you using? Also, I did find a way to do it, it involves dd.
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20:22<lmatos>spt deserves a raise
20:22<lmatos>19:19 < sirpengi> you guys get pretty excited over a 403
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20:25<magn3ts>mdcollins, I just ran 'sudo fdisk -l' and got that they don't have valid part tables.
20:25<magn3ts>at this rate I'm thinking it'd be easier to move the web files back by hand... :/
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20:27<bob2>sudo file -s /dev/xvd{a,b}
20:27<bob2>shocker ext3 filesystems?
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20:33<mdcollins>magn3ts, you are just needing a few files from a different disk? or a different computer?
20:34<mdcollins>Maybe try mounting the disk image?
20:34<bob2>run the above command
20:34<bob2>pastebin the output
20:34<magn3ts>bob2, sorry missed your reply. I'll check it out asap
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20:36<magn3ts>xvda = old drive ( / in the current instance) xvdc = new drive (not mounted, to be / in new configuration)
20:37<bob2>sudo mkdir /old ; sudo mount -t /dev/xvda /mnt
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20:37<bob2>linux doesn't require disks to have partitions - you can just slap a filesystems on the device itself
20:37<bob2>(so fdisk is of no use here)
20:38<magn3ts>thanks bob2, that worked. aside from the -t :P
20:38<magn3ts>I'm just used to looking for a partition I guess
20:38<bob2>got distracted half way through that command
20:39<tanto>anyone backing up their linux servers to s3?
20:39<bob2>there normally is one, but if fdisk whinges, file -s is useful to try
20:39<SelfishMan>sure, lots of people
20:39<tanto>what are you guys using?
20:39<bob2>teh duplicity
20:40<tanto>with encryption or without?
20:40<tanto>i'm afraid of using duplicity and not being able to restore if it's encrypted
20:40<magn3ts>is it oss? backup the key, good to go?
20:40<bob2>are you more afriad of that or amazon selling your shadow password file to the NSA?
20:40<magn3ts>I'm going to start using bonkey for desktop backups
20:40<magn3ts>lol is amazon going to give out before linode?
20:41*magn3ts damnit stupid bot/me
20:48<pharaun>i just use amazon for storage for my photographs and etc
20:48<pharaun>other critical docs -> dvd's into multiple locations
20:49<Pryon>atm machine's
20:49<SelfishMan>burned media has a very limited shelf life
20:49<@caker>automatic teller machine machine's
20:49<Trystan>pin number
20:50<Pryon>automatic atm machine's
20:50<encode>NIC card's
20:50<magn3ts>S3 only has 99.999% tolerance for the cheaper storage I think
20:50<magn3ts>also, there's no apostrophe for plurals :)
20:51<SelfishMan>I look at that statistic and think that for every 100K I upload there will be one bad byte
20:51<pharaun>SelfishMan: yeah i know i just haven't figured out an encryption scheme that i'm happy with for my critical docs
20:51<SelfishMan>That's just where my mind goes
20:51<SelfishMan>pharaun: truecrypt
20:51<magn3ts>SelfishMan, I don't have much that's terribly important so :S
20:51<magn3ts>you mean "critical papers" lol
20:51<pharaun>SelfishMan: but key/cert management?
20:52<SelfishMan>there are lots of password managers that can handle that info
20:52<pharaun>magn3ts: yeah i do have more "critical" papers than doc on the puter, but i outta to get myself an scanner and get some of those docs scanned in
20:52<mdcollins>maybe a zip or 7z or similar with a password?
20:52<pharaun>SelfishMan: yeah but it becomes recursive if you have a cert/password inside the encrypted archive on s3 and you lose your desktop, bam, bye
20:52<mdcollins>If you are against keys and the management with it.
20:52<SelfishMan>compresses archives are very vulnerable to brute force attacks
20:53<SelfishMan>pharaun: that is what safe deposit boxes are for
20:53<pharaun>mdcollins: i don't mind password/key management, i have a password/key manager but i'm just trying to figure out a way i can keep a copy of my key secure yet be able to back it up
20:53<@caker> !
20:53<pharaun>SelfishMan: as in printing out the key/cert itself and put it into safe deposit box?
20:54<magn3ts>I keep a copy of my key in a safe deposit, a copy disguised inside another file on my phone and similarly disguised in an old email in gmail.
20:54<SelfishMan>pharaun: sure, or electronic
20:54<pharaun>both probably would be better
20:54<pharaun>electronic for ease of use, yet paper in case the electronic fails
20:55<magn3ts>encrypt the keyfile with a simple password that woudl still provide a tough challenge as well
20:55<Trystan>how much are safe deposits worth over there?
20:55<Trystan>sure better be something important to keep protected..
20:55<SelfishMan>Trystan: $10/year here
20:55<Trystan>wow.. thats cheap.
20:55<SelfishMan>That's without an account with that bank. $5/year with an account
20:55<pharaun>Trystan: mainly password keeper, then several stuff related with taxes and bunch of other crap
20:56<Trystan>and most banks do it at a significant number of branches?
20:56<pharaun>and when i finally get off my ass, hopefully scanned in important docs for a duplicate of them in the puter
20:56<Trystan>pharaun: ah. makes sense.
20:56<pharaun>pictures/photos i store uncrypted on s3/etc its np
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21:00<BrianHV>I have an account for personal use and another one for my organization. is there a way to add my personal account as an administrator for my org's linode?
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21:01<ofus>anyone have experience with asterisk on a linode?
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21:01<tjfontaine>BrianHV: at the moment no, you cannot merge accounts, however you can create a subuser under the other account for you
21:01<ofus>did you get it up and running?
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21:01<jasonp>hi guys
21:01<mdcollins>ive joined again.
21:02<jasonp>anyone from linode in here?
21:02<@Perihelion>ofus: Yes
21:02<tjfontaine>jasonp: your name is misspelled, it's supposed to be jsonp
21:02<jasonp>or is this more of a community channel
21:02<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
21:02<ofus>Perihelion: What distro/version?
21:02<jasonp>humor is not lost
21:02<@Perihelion>What I don't know what I'm talking about
21:02<jasonp>I had a quick question about reselling
21:02<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
21:02<linbot>You are nothing but a petrified puddle of fen-sucked piss.
21:02<@Perihelion>ofus: ubuntu 9.10 latest asterisk/freepbx
21:02<BrianHV>tjfontaine: yeah... I'm looking to manage all my linodes from one account, so I don't think that's quite what I want. thanks though.
21:02<jasonp>can I resell VPS using the API and under my own label?
21:03<ofus>Perihelion: did you just follow the article in the linode library?
21:03<@Perihelion>A few people do, but we don't have any special discounts for doing so
21:03<@Perihelion>ofus: I wrote it
21:03<ofus>Perihelion: ohhhhh
21:03<@Perihelion>Is it not working? :<
21:03<tjfontaine>jasonp: sort of what the api is for in my opinion
21:03<ofus>Perihelion: let me try again
21:04<jasonp>just wanted to get the official word before I start hacking
21:04<jasonp>do they offer a volume discount?
21:04<@Perihelion>ofus: It worked as of a few months may have changed D:
21:04<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:04<tjfontaine>now if I could convince cake man to support jsonp we can do fun things
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21:04<@Perihelion>No volume discounts, but there are discounts for paying a year or two years in advance (10% and 15%)
21:05<ofus>there are discounts for me if you use my referral code
21:05<tjfontaine>hmm, /me thinks of evil things that won't mention aloud
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21:06*Perihelion slaps tjfontaine around a bit with a small caterpillar
21:06<SelfishMan>Perihelion: tell mikegrb to put that back in his pants
21:06<@Perihelion>DO NOT WANT
21:06<@Perihelion>Oh God...the pain
21:08<tjfontaine>jasonp: what's your catch, what will differentiate you from linode proper?
21:08<jasonp>tjfontaine: niche specific
21:09<tjfontaine>oh, fully managed?
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21:15<squircle>any blackberry owners in here?
21:16<@pparadis>tychoish, if you're lurking ^
21:17<@tychoish>you called my name?
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21:17<@tychoish>I'm about to ditch it though, I think squircle.
21:17<@Perihelion>All night long
21:18<squircle>tychoish: just wondering if BIS/email is down for you... it seems to be down on my parents' 9000 and 9700
21:18<@tychoish>last email recieved at 6:42
21:19<squircle>alright, thanks. what carrier are you with?
21:19<@tychoish>so yeah, probably.
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21:21<pharaun>att is a pos
21:21<squircle>bell is pretty bad too
21:21<linbot>tjfontaine: Yo momma's so stupid, she keeps clicking the link to (835:3/0) [mroum]
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21:44<ofus>Perihelion: would you recommend using freepbx-2.6.0 as in the guide, or a newer one, or meh?
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21:56<@Perihelion>ofus: I've used both
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22:07<ssteinerX>How come my public IP is used when I'm hooking up to an internal IP on another machine? Shouldn't it use/report the IP from the same subnet?
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22:18<tanto>ssteiner: mine uses the private IP
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22:19<ssteinerX>tanto: thanks, I'm a little mystified as to why it'd go public when the private IP's just sittin' there doing nothing
22:19<@caker>wrong netmask?
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22:20<@caker>actually, that probably doesn't matter
22:20<tanto>i've never seen that problem steiner :/
22:20<ssteinerX>neither had I!
22:20<ssteinerX>i'm going to yell at things a little and see if that helps
22:22<tanto>how can we duplicate this problem
22:22<pharaun>by yelling at it?
22:22<tanto>or how did you discover it
22:22<ssteinerX>i discovered it 'cause my permissions on postgres said no go when i called
22:23<tanto>are you sure you're connecting to the private IP on the 2nd box?
22:23<ssteinerX>'cause I'd used the internal IP
22:23<tanto>are you using hannah montana linux??
22:23<ssteinerX>tanto: yes, 'cause that's the only one Apache's listening on
22:23<ssteinerX>tanto: is that bad?
22:24<tanto>i don't think it matters what apache is listening on
22:25<ssteinerX>tanto: you're right, of course, I meant postgres
22:25<pharaun>what the fuuck? there is a hannah montana linux?!
22:25<ssteinerX>oh god, please let "hml" die
22:26<tanto>ssteiner i'd probably re-setup the private network configuration
22:26<@jed>jackie brown just started on encore - hell yes
22:26<tanto>and make sure you are using the correct IPs
22:26*jed makes popcorn
22:26<ssteinerX>tanto: I'm rebuilding the whole thing from scratch since that's what I'm *actually* testing...
22:26<tanto>hey can we map private IPs to eth1 yet? or do private/public all have to be on eth0 still
22:27<ssteinerX>that's it, batten down the hatches, armageddon is here
22:27<pharaun>the whole thing make me just pause and weep
22:27<ofus>me + freepbx =
22:27<@pparadis>god it's so epic
22:28<mwalling>Q : How/why did you make such a great OS?
22:28<mwalling>A : I thought - what would attract young users to Linux? So I created this idea after a lot of reading and work.
22:28<@pparadis>oh jesus christ i'm gonna cry laughing -->
22:28<pharaun>Q : Is Linux really virus-proof?
22:28<pharaun>A : Mostly - Windows viruses do not affect it at all, and a Linux virus (very rare) can only do damage if you manually give it permission to run.
22:28<pharaun>what the fuck?
22:28<ssteinerX>pharaun: no, it's got the Hanna Montana
22:28<@pparadis>the _song_ man, the _song_
22:28<sirpengi>apparently there is not truth to HML
22:28<sirpengi>*no truth
22:28<ssteinerX>than god
22:29<@pparadis>noted, bad link
22:29<ofus>Yeah because win9x 4 life
22:29<ssteinerX>i should have so much time on my hands...
22:29*pharaun is very glad that he can't hear music cos i can just image the site and the whole goddamn distro blasting the music
22:30<@pparadis>it's all about, it's all about the coooooooooooode
22:30<MarkJ>HML scares me
22:30<ssteinerX>sudo stfu hml
22:30<@pparadis>apt-get purge miley
22:31<TimothyA1>windows vista incapable
22:31<pharaun>lol that would make an epic poster! xD
22:31*mdcollins_ gouges his eyes out after looking at hml
22:31<sirpengi>there's no entry for HML in distrowatch : (
22:31<ssteinerX>i noticed that the penguin doesn't seem to have any underwear on either
22:32<pharaun>get yer mind out of the gutter
22:32<MarkJ>Is the penguin named Paris?
22:32<pharaun>Paris Penguin?
22:32<ssteinerX>Paris the Crack Whore Penguin
22:33<ssteinerX>tanto: aren't you glad you asked?
22:33<amitz>I wonder how penguin tastes...
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22:33<pharaun>i would think... like a whale?
22:33<pharaun>or seal?
22:33<ssteinerX>no, seal tastes like penguin
22:33<ssteinerX>killer whales taste like seal
22:33<amitz>I'm not sure how a whale tastes :-p
22:33<pharaun>well i wouldn't know either way :-p
22:33<pharaun>giant squid tastes like whale :-p
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22:36<amitz>in a not so related note, someone used to treat me shark soup. Unfortunately, there were so many kind of stuff inside the soup I don't know which one the fuck is the shark :-p
22:36<@Perihelion>What the eff did you just say o.O
22:36<Karrde>it was the albatross
22:37<ssteinerX>the one circling around the outside edge of the bowl with its fin fragment up
22:37<hobot>whale tastes like krill
22:37<amitz>uh...hmm... my hand slipped
22:38<pharaun>did they ever say what kind of shark it was?
22:38<pharaun>you would be surprised
22:39<pharaun>i remember seeing an animal planet or discovery show on sharks, and apparently some people will fish in shark, de-fin them then toss em out
22:39<amitz>nope. and honestly, it was to sour for my taste. But I don't have the heart to tell him :-p
22:40<pharaun>amitz: sour? hahaha
22:40<ssteinerX>pharaun: yah, I've seen that. fortunately, with all the blood and other sharks around they don't get to be *alive* for very long
22:42<pharaun>ssteinerX: true, but still damn it sucks for them, not that being killed for food is any better but still
22:43<ssteinerX>pharaun: killing something to eat it i understand, mutilating a live animal for soup not so much
22:43<@pparadis>that's pretty horrible. i think i'd like to de-limb someone who does that and toss him in the woods.
22:43<pharaun>ssteinerX: hence the "suck for them"
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22:44<ssteinerX>mmmmm, arm soup, tastes like...
22:44<pharaun>pparadis: just belt up their limbs and leave em like that :-p nature will take care of it soon enough
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22:45<ssteinerX>ok, then, how's that hml testing coming?
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22:46<amitz>not only it was sour, now I feel more guilty for eating it. Damn you all! :-p
22:47<@pparadis>pharaun: i say truss 'em up good and leave them somewhere around here -->
22:48<pharaun>pparadis: mmm good location :-D
22:48<tanto>if i clone a disk image to a new node, will it spin up with the same IP as the original node?
22:49<ssteinerX>tanto: I've had that issue with both Parallels and VirtualBox, you have to frig with the cached network settings
22:49<ssteinerX>dunno about linode, though
22:49<@pparadis>tanto: yes, if you had static networking configured
22:50<@pparadis>if you didn't configure static networking, DHCP is enabled by default and it should come up with the IP of the new Linode.
22:50<@pparadis>note that any services that bound to the old IP will need to be updated, though.
22:50<amitz>pparadis: nah, I fear that I will accidentaly trip on other bodies .
22:50<tanto>i don't bind services to IP
22:51<@pparadis>amitz: oh no worries on that, the alligators take care of that problem pretty quickly.
22:51<pharaun>pparadis: what about the amazon river? desirable location also?
22:53<hobot>that's where caker swims back to breed each spring
22:54<hobot>so dual purpose
22:54<@pparadis>holy mental image batman
22:54<hobot>to "spawn"
22:55<pharaun>and thus this is how caker == the world
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22:59<tanto>any plans to split the private network off to eth1 rather than having it on eth0 with the public?
22:59<@caker>nope, no need
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23:00<pharaun>caker: when will you guys provide HML on linode?
23:00<@caker>Hellfire Missile Launcher?
23:01<mwalling>[07-14] 22:26:14 <@pparadis>
23:01<mwalling>although having hellfires would be cool too
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23:01<tanto>i don't think mysql-mmm is able to use the private network when it's on eth0
23:01<@caker>why not?
23:02<tanto>i never figured out why
23:02<tanto>if you can have your documentation people write up a library article on it that would be fantastic =)
23:02*pparadis wah?
23:02<tjfontaine>wtf is -mmm
23:03<mwalling>tjfontaine: mmmmurmom
23:03<tanto>mysqlmmm is the future of mysql
23:03<@jed>mysql compiled with ramen
23:03<tjfontaine>tanto: I thought that was drizzle
23:03<@caker>multi master replication monitor
23:03<@pparadis>yah -->
23:03<tjfontaine>so moremasochisticmalarky was right
23:03<@pparadis>now that looks kinda neat
23:03<bob2>I thought drizzle was the shizzle in the mysql hizzle
23:03<tanto>i couldn't make it work with my linodes though
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23:04*pparadis will investigate, not today, but it's added to the list
23:04<tanto>hey, awesome
23:04<tjfontaine>"with only one node writable at any time" ... multi-half-master
23:04<tanto>it may not be the private IPs on eth0 thing, but i've been successful in an environment where public/private are on eth0/eth1
23:05<tjfontaine>we have this highly available [toy] RDBMS that allows you to work in multi master mode, so long as you don't plan on fulfilling multiple writes
23:05<tanto>is it possible to split my linode 512 in to 2x 256s =)
23:05<tjfontaine>tanto: sure, travel back in time
23:06<tanto>i let the doctor borrow my tardis
23:06<encode>tanto: sure, although you'll double your bill
23:06<pharaun>pparadis: the mmm-mysql?
23:06<encode>or halve your availability
23:06<@pparadis>pharaun: ?
23:07<pharaun>pparadis: the "investigate" thing, i hope you guys are not serious about adding HML :-p
23:07<@pparadis>pharaun: oh no, mysql-mmm
23:07<pharaun>lol just checking ^_^
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23:08<tanto>with multi master mysql you can write to any of the masters
23:09<tjfontaine>you can write to 1 master at a time
23:09<@pparadis>MMM (Multi-Master Replication Manager for MySQL) is a set of flexible scripts to perform monitoring/failover and management of MySQL master-master replication configurations (with only one node writable at any time).
23:09<tjfontaine>IOW master/slave with role changes when you want to write
23:09<tanto>i think they say that because of the way they have a floating IP for failover
23:10<tjfontaine>then I wouldn't call that multi-master
23:10<Eman>we have two mysql master-master machines at work
23:10<Eman>with a mysqlproxy sitting in front
23:10<pharaun>that's kind of pointless to have multi-master if you can only write to one... so what's the point?
23:10<tjfontaine>echo chamber
23:10<@pparadis>tanto: it really looks more like master-slave with a floating ip, where the hot standby node becomes the master upon node failover.
23:11<pharaun>so its more like HA?
23:11<Eman>you can make master-master replication and be able to write to both
23:11<tanto>yes you can
23:11<tanto>i do it
23:11<@pparadis>well, sorta. you can have HA without any master-slave setup, as in when you use a DRBD volume for your MySQL data files.
23:11<pharaun>Eman: isn't that kind of wonky? i remember reading about it, its a bit iffy?
23:11<tjfontaine>pparadis: oh the humanity
23:11<Eman>pharaun: we've been running it for 6 months, not a bit of data loss or weirdness once we got it figured out
23:11<tanto>you have to use offsets.
23:11<@pparadis>tjfontaine: hey man, it actually works pretty well :)
23:12<tjfontaine>pparadis: I'm sure it does, I just think of the splitbrain
23:12<pharaun>Eman: yeah i remember reading something about that, about one master has to get this offset, and the other get a different one right?
23:12<tanto>there's no splitbrain if you use the proper offsets
23:12<bob2>how well does synchronous drbd work for such things?
23:12<@pparadis>well, splitbrain is something that doesn't happen very often (ideally, at all), especially in a two node cluster.
23:12<pharaun>wtf is splitbrain?
23:12<tanto>with drbd it's only for failover
23:12<Eman>pharaun: havent seen anything like that going on
23:12<tjfontaine>!google drbd splitbrain
23:12<@pparadis>in the event that it does happen, you pick one copy and call it "the one true copy"
23:13<tanto>because drbd can only be active on 1 server at a time
23:13<opello>pparadis: manual intervention :/
23:13<tjfontaine>tanto: drbd has primary/primary but you have to be cautious and use acceptable filesystems
23:13<pharaun>but wouldn't just using the right offset for both... mostly resolve the issue?
23:13<@pparadis>true, but like i said, there are ways of configuring things carefully to minimize that possibility.
23:13<tanto>auto-increment-increment = 2
23:13<tanto>auto-increment-offset = 1
23:13<tanto>replicate-same-server-id = 0
23:14<@pparadis>also, used GFS2 or OCFS2 you can have multi-master synchronous filesystems.
23:14<tanto>i use those for multi-master
23:14<tanto>the offset of my 2nd master =2 and increment = 2
23:14<pharaun>whats the stability with GFS2 & OCFS2? i've never used them and was eyeballing it once or twice before
23:14<tanto>so writes on the 1st master will insert with odd auto-id increments, the 2nd master inserts with even auto-id increments
23:14<@pparadis>pharaun: very good, apparently. used lots of places.
23:15<@pparadis>i'm planning on adding library guides for them.
23:15<tanto>you can scale that up as well, and it does work for writing to multiple servers
23:15<pharaun>pparadis: ah really? cos i have not really heard much on them, been kind of curious about them
23:15<pharaun>and woot for library guides!
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23:15<tanto>some people recommend gluster, it looks easy to set up
23:15<tanto>i wonder how durable it is though
23:16<@pparadis>i suppose i'll find out eventually
23:16<Karrde>in "... #1 SMP Wed Apr..." what does the #1 denote?
23:17<bob2>build #1 from that source tree
23:17<bob2>without a distclean
23:17<bob2>and useless
23:18<Karrde>seems I'm up to 8 on the one I've been playing with, but I only bumped my version string up to 3
23:20<@caker>rm .version <-- fix
23:20<tanto>is a homebrew app? or an opensource thing?
23:21<@caker>it's linbrew
23:21<tanto>looks like rails
23:21<linbot>New news from forums: New Linode API Version in General Discussion <>
23:21<@pparadis>tanto: the build system is written in perl
23:21<bob2>hm, thought I can find no hirez proof
23:22<tanto>err i mean
23:22<@jed>seven rolls of duct tape were consumed during the making of
23:22<@pparadis>nine, actually ;)
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23:22<@Perihelion>Actually it was cobbled together with string
23:22<@jed>the search system is written in python, and has easter eggs
23:22<tanto>is it rails?
23:22<@jed>surprised nobody's found them
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23:22<@pparadis>tanto: the library's build system is written in-house in Perl, and generates largely static content (aside from comment submission and search)
23:23<@caker>dynamically generated static content!
23:23<@pparadis>yes :)
23:23<tjfontaine>performant to be sure
23:23*tjfontaine is cool with that
23:23<@caker>moar coar!
23:23<@pparadis>also, "less crap to go wrong in production"
23:23<tjfontaine>fulltext searching becomes a one pass event :)
23:23<@Perihelion>I read that as moar coal
23:23*caker accelerates #linode to warp 5.2
23:24*jed vomits
23:24<@pparadis>it's gone plaid!
23:24<tjfontaine>LUDICROUS SPEED
23:24<tjfontaine>pparadis: de ja vu
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23:24<@Perihelion>I see your Schwartz is as big as mine
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23:24<@pparadis>!urmom spaceballs
23:24<linbot>pparadis: Yo momma's so nasty I called her to say hello, and she ended up giving me an ear infection. (782:0/6) [mmrou]
23:24<@pparadis>well, then
23:24<bob2> <- disappointing
23:25<@mikegrb>mmm cake
23:25<@Perihelion>cake is legit too
23:25<@mikegrb>mmm cake
23:25<Kos>my friend bought me a "The cake is a lie" for christmas
23:25<@mikegrb>mmm cake
23:25*jed says no more
23:25<Kos>I have not put it on
23:25*Perihelion dreads
23:26<pharaun>hmm i outta to get a million monkey and let em pound on the search for the library to find me the easter eggs!
23:27<@caker>ckr wll nw typ wtht sng ny vwls
23:27<encode>that's surprisingly readable
23:27*Perihelion steals caker's e
23:27<encode>although I imagine quite painful to type
23:27<@caker>tk tht btchs
23:27*encode steals both of caker's Is
23:28<@jed>Y IS A VOWEL
23:28-!-Perihelion is now known as Perihelione
23:28<tjfontaine>sometimes bitch
23:28<encode>jed: I don't know. Why is it?
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23:29<tanto>i'm a rhel/centos guy.. how is upgrading from ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04? painless?
23:29<@pparadis>!library ubuntu 10.04 upgrade
23:29<linbot>pparadis: 1. Host Email with Postfix, Dovecot and MySQL on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) ( - 2. Send-only Mail Server with Exim on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) ( - 3. How to Upgrade to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) (
23:29<@jed>Ubuntu: an ancient African word meaning "I can't configure Debian"
23:29<tanto>i'm actually running debian on my linodes
23:30<ssteinerX>so...can the linode API queue up things to do to a node or do I have to spin my wheels until its up and running to do things to it?
23:30<@Perihelione>There's an i in there
23:30<encode>jed: that got a smile
23:30<@jed>YAY A SMILE
23:30<tanto>ubuntu has a lot of newer packages
23:30<@caker>ssteinerX: qs
23:30<tanto>and newer versions
23:30<bob2>ubuntu lts does not
23:30<@pparadis>tanto: debian-testing ;)
23:30<tjfontaine>ssteinerX: the queue is your friend, but I wouldn't stack too high
23:30<ssteinerX>I upgraded 9.10 to 10.04 and everything went just fine...
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23:31<ssteinerX>caker: I'm going through the libcloud driver, is that even possible?
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23:31<tanto>a section on that upgrade doc for "fixing a broken system"
23:31<@caker>ssteinerX: is what possible?
23:31<ssteinerX>queueing things through that API
23:31<@pparadis>tanto: mostly for people who didn't follow the guide to begin with
23:31<@caker>sup dawg, I heard you like APIs for APIs
23:31<tanto>ahh =)
23:31<@Perihelion>Is this real life?
23:31*encode should probably upgrade from 8.04 at some point
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23:31<@caker>ssteinerX: that's how our API works, regardless of what you use to talk to it
23:31<@caker>ssteinerX: typically, Linode API methods that generate Jobs will return the associated JobIDs.
23:32<@jed>then sit there and do linode.job.list until done
23:32<@caker>poll it like you stole it
23:32*caker waits
23:32<ssteinerX>caker: so it's auto-queue? I'm trying out the new private ip api and didn't know whether I had to wait for the node to boot before I reboot it ;-)
23:32<@Perihelion>I polled urmom
23:32*pparadis polled urmom
23:32<@caker>ssteinerX: I seriously doubt libcloud implemented our new API call alraedy
23:33<@jed>*laugh track*
23:33<ssteinerX>caker: no, but I did ;-)
23:33<ssteinerX>caker: rocket science it's not...
23:33<@caker>there is no job generated by calling linode.ip.addPrivate. You just need to reboot and configure it statically and you're done.
23:33<@pparadis>Perihelion: heard urmom haz the clap.
23:33<@Perihelion>Talk like yoda you do
23:34<@Perihelion>pparadis: They call her the clapper
23:34<ssteinerX>caker: so it's just mangulating internal state so that it's available after I reboot?
23:34<@pparadis>clap on, clap off?
23:34<@caker>ssteinerX: it's just like clicking the "Add Private IP" button on the network subtab
23:34<ssteinerX>pparadis: if it was only so easy to get the clap off
23:34<@Perihelion>pparadis: Shes always on
23:34<@caker>sorry, but: how is this confusing, I'm curious?
23:35<@caker>ssteinerX: if you call linode.ip.addPrivate(), you should then see it in linode.ip.list()
23:36<ssteinerX>caker: ok, i'll give it a whirl, it would be damn handy if it came in the first time I call linode.ip.list() without having to reboot
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23:37<@caker>ssteinerX: do it before booting the node for the first time :)
23:37<ssteinerX>caker: extra credit if that works :-)
23:37*caker confused
23:39<@jed>$linodeid = linode.create, linode.ip.addPrivate($linodeid), $configid = linode.disk.deployfromdistribution($linodeid), linode.boot($linodeid, $configid)
23:39<@caker>you need to assemble the config yourself
23:39<@jed>oh yeah, that's right
23:39<@jed>I wrote create_node in libcloud, I should remember
23:40<ssteinerX>jed: that's a perfect excuse for not remembering
23:40<@caker>create node, add private, create diskfromdistro, create swap, create config(with goods), boot.
23:41<tjfontaine>caker: you think we can add a format to the response?
23:41<ssteinerX>caker: should the adding of a private IP be added as an option right in the create_node in libcloud?
23:41<Karrde>shit, I left my cat in the fridge for half an hour
23:41<@caker>tjfontaine: whatchu thinking?
23:41<@caker>ssteinerX: go for it
23:42<ssteinerX>I was making it a separate call but create_node already has all that other shit already set up
23:42<@pparadis>Karrde: ?!
23:42<pharaun>Karrde: frozen kitty?
23:42<tjfontaine>caker: jsonp, allows for me to create an all in js implementation
23:42<ssteinerX>Karrde: it's not done yet, give it overnight
23:42<Karrde>he likes to jump into the fridge whenever I open the door and I realized I left him in there when I put my leftovers away earlier.
23:43<@pparadis>he's okay, right?
23:43<ssteinerX>'cause if so, you didn't leave him in long enough
23:43<Karrde>yes, though he's clinging to me
23:43<@pparadis>oh man, he might not argue with a warm bath about now :)
23:43<ssteinerX>probably freezing his nasty little cat ass off
23:43<@caker>tjfontaine: define jsonp for practical meaning, please?
23:44<pharaun>Karrde: perfect time for a bath! :-p
23:44<tjfontaine>caker: you wrap the json response in a predefined function name
23:44<SelfishMan>Karrde: I DEMAND PHOTOS
23:44<pharaun>Karrde: or it did not happen! ;-p
23:45<JshWright>Karrde: my cat is fond of climbing in the fridge as well
23:45<pharaun>better the fridge than the freezer :-p
23:45<tjfontaine>caker: this means that if I embed the js api in my site I can make calls direct to linode rather than proxying through my own little script that's in that paste
23:46<amitz>pharaun: no. freezer will preserve it better ;-)
23:46<tjfontaine>caker: in terms of hostedness, a proxy script would see the api key pass for someone I might not necessarily want to see the info of
23:47<@caker>tjfontaine: what bootstraps this thing?
23:47<linbot>New news from forums: distro support in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
23:47<tjfontaine>caker: hmm I'm not sure what you mean, what's my use case?
23:48*caker googles
23:48<pharaun>amitz: ha
23:48<tjfontaine>it's essential a means to allow "cross domain" json action
23:50<@caker>tjfontaine: so requesting an API url would generate the json structure wrapped in a function <-- ?
23:50<tjfontaine>yes, precisely
23:50<tjfontaine>well a function name, you don't have to define the function at all
23:50<@caker>blah({...json info...})
23:51<tjfontaine>+; but yes
23:51<@caker>something still needs to get this codes into your browser, no? -- hence the bootstrap question
23:51<tjfontaine>oh, well javascript api that I have
23:52<tjfontaine>well, javascript bindings
23:52<@caker>what problem does this solve? Can't one just do: gimmieSomeShitFrom( in javascript and parse the JSON directly?
23:53<tjfontaine>user hits which has js api calls to that won't work without tjsmom being a proxy because of XSS preventions in the browser
23:54<tjfontaine>but that also means if I proxy the data I am exposed to seeing their API credentials
23:54<@jed>on, javascript can only interact with *
23:54<@jed>XHR opening will fail
23:54<tjfontaine>where as if you let jsonp happen their browser woudl communicate with you directly
23:54<SelfishMan> has full documentation of this
23:55<@caker>so instead it uses what? <script src="remote.webserver"> to get the codes into the page?
23:55<pharaun>geez json/js/xss all seems so complicated
23:55<@caker>so it's script injection, essentially
23:56<Kos>yay xss
23:56<@caker>that's bonkers.
23:56*caker encodes api responses as animated GIFs
23:56<Kos>caker: lol
23:56<@jed><malcolm>life will find a way.</malcolm>
23:56<tjfontaine>the alternative is for you to add me to your crossdomain.xml
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23:57<@jed>that works outside of flash?
23:57<tjfontaine>well I'm just being funny :)
23:58<@jed>heh, honestly didn't know :)
23:58<pharaun>on the topic of xss, if i have "two domain" and i get a JS from domain 1, i would need a proxy on domain 1 to forward it to domain 2 if i want to do XSS ?
23:58<tjfontaine>basically if domain 2 isn't inside the domain 1 heirarchy :)
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23:59<Kos>better response than I had
23:59<pharaun>ah such as "" and "" ?
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