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00:05<cmayo>anything in particular?
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01:00<DucTourer>hello all
01:03<DucTourer>anyone from linode on?
01:06<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
01:08<DucTourer>Ok - so I made a change to a config in my linode and now I've eaten so much memory I can no longer login
01:08<DucTourer>Can't even get in on the console.
01:08<DucTourer>Any suggestions?
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01:12<jeremyb>DucTourer: you've tried lish?
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01:13<jeremyb>are you just trying to get in or also looking for help figuring out the memory problem?
01:13<DucTourer>trying to get in. i think i know what the memory problem is
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01:13<DucTourer>i have tried lish
01:14<DucTourer>but lish tells dumps me to exit immediately with an out of memory error
01:14<DucTourer>i'm thinking "reboot" is the only thing left. :(
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01:14<jeremyb>can you copy/paste exactly what lish says? (to pastebin if it's more than a line)
01:16<jeremyb>ok, and what happens if you hit enter?
01:16<DucTourer>i'm still connected but nothing
01:16<jeremyb>not even a blank line?
01:17<Defenestrator>Once it's so far gone that the OOM-killer is going nuts like that, you'll probably have to reboot to get it back
01:17<DucTourer>okey dokey. thanks. lesson learned. :)
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01:20<DucTourer>gotta love the internets
01:20<jeremyb>*might* be a 90% chance? isn't "chance" already might?
01:20<Defenestrator>Of all the things to dispute about their claims, you pick on their choice of phrasing? :P
01:22<blognewb>it's not redundant at all jeremyb
01:22<blognewb>it's a probability of a probability
01:22<blognewb>missed recursion on C class?
01:22<Defenestrator>I'd say the phrasing is accurate... there might be a 90% chance... but there probably isn't. They picked a random number, with no particular evidence to suggest it might be right
01:23<Defenestrator>I could try to justify it as a confidence level in their prediction, but the truth is they probably understand grammar no better than the understand geology :P
01:24<blognewb>Defenestrator: the evidence is based on geothermal temperature, Seismic gaps, micro earthquakes, moon phases, ultra low frequency and land animal behavior
01:25<metap|pe_>sounds like they should write anti-virus software.
01:30<encode>so there's an unquantifiable probability of a 90% chance?
01:30<encode>they should start writing speeches for politicians
01:32<DucTourer>so - fyi - when configuring php under fcgi, make sure you know what you're doing. case in point: me.
01:33<encode>that advice would probably apply to more general cases also
01:34<DucTourer>yes, good point.
01:35<DucTourer>but now that i've made that particular mistake, i won't make it again.
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02:15<DucTourer>well all, i'm off for the night, thanks for your chats
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02:34<MaZ->lol? D;
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02:54<linbot>New news from forums: OSSEC vs Wordpress conflicts in General Discussion <>
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03:34<eatnumber1>hey ops, i'm living in CA right now, but in a few months, i'll be moving to the east coast. When that time comes, can you guys move my linode to an east coast data center?
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03:45<MaZ->eatnumber1: you just put a ticket in at that time, they set it up so you can migrate and then you push butan in linode control panel and it migrates everything across
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04:03<eatnumber1>MaZ-: thanks
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04:30<mvrak>* wants an option to magically clone a linode without turning it off
04:31<chesty>*poof* look again, it's now there
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04:32<mvrak>it certainly tries, thats for sure
04:32<mvrak>sometimes it even works
04:33<chesty>you said you wanted an option, you didn't specify a working option
04:33<mvrak>LOL@U, ok you got me
04:33<mvrak>magical implies success? ok yeah thats not right either
04:41<@array>mvrak: you could always signup for the backup system, take a live snapshot, and then restore that snapshot to another Linode :)
04:41<chesty>prorated to the day?
04:41<mvrak>WHAT! oh yes, i love how i complain but it yields results
04:41<mvrak>thats a good idea
04:41<@array>chesty: 'course!
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04:43<@array>cancelling the backup service does require a support ticket, but we still apply a pro-rated credit for any unused time
04:43<mvrak>curiosity, is linodes backup system a custom thing or is it based off other software (e.g. bacula or amanda)
04:44<@array>mvrak: it's a custom thing
04:44<mvrak>ok y ou made a sale
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04:45<eatnumber1>i'm trying to use pv-grub, but I can't get it to show a login console on the tty
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05:12<eatnumber1>debian is rewriting inittab changing the hvc0 entry to tty1
05:13<eatnumber1>anyone know why it's doing that?
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05:24<hawk>eatnumber1: When is it doing that?
05:25<hawk>eatnumber1: I have a Debian linode that has an hvc0 entry
05:25<eatnumber1>I don't know. I can't find the exact place where it does that. If I set hvc0 in inittab and reboot, it becomes tty1 by the time it boots
05:25<eatnumber1>I just started using pv-grub and it's doing it now
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05:30<chesty>did you rebuild the initrd after you changed inittab?
05:30<chesty>(not sure that's needed, but it's my only guess)
05:30<eatnumber1>no, i'll try that now
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05:33<chesty>grep -r tty1 /etc
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05:39<eatnumber1>chesty: nothing special
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05:55<eatnumber1>oh well, I just found out that the software I was switching to the stock debian kernel for doesn't support the xen variant
05:55<eatnumber1>so i'm not going to use pv-grub anymore
05:55<eatnumber1>and so the problem goes away
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06:09<jeremiah_>Just a warning to anyone running debian testing (Squeeze) on their Linode:
06:10<jeremiah_>If you run 'aptitude safe-upgrade' then ntp will update, removing dhcp3-client
06:10<jeremiah_>Then your machine will not get an IP address
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06:10<jeremiah_>Which might put you in a world of trouble
06:11<hawk>IP addresses are good
06:14<praetorian>people still use debian?
06:14<eatnumber1>I do
06:15<eatnumber1>what do you use?
06:15<Marius>debian = <3
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06:15<chesty>praetorian uses gentoo
06:15<praetorian>use to once.
06:15<jeremiah_>praetorian: NetCraft says it is the fastest growing web server OS :P
06:15<jeremiah_>Linode is sponsoring DebConf10 too
06:15<praetorian>these days i use Arch
06:16<eatnumber1>praetorian: heh, I use exherbo (which is sort of like gentoo), but I wouldn't ever use gentoo or exherbo on a server
06:16<eatnumber1>I wouldn't use any rolling release distro on a server
06:16<praetorian>if my server ran something that was critical, i wouldnt
06:17<praetorian>or i'd be slower to update
06:17<jeremiah_>Well, I use Debian testing for some mission critical stuff
06:17<jeremiah_>And I almost got bit by that bug above ^^
06:17<praetorian>but i've seriously never broken anything having arch rolling on it
06:17<jeremiah_>So maybe I'm foolish.
06:17<Marius>Why would you use testing on critical stuff?
06:17<Marius>Just saying...
06:17<jeremiah_>Marius: Because it is pretty stable actually
06:17<eatnumber1>Debian testing tends to be pretty stable
06:17<praetorian>isnt testing the only place you can get something better than python 2.2?
06:17<Marius>I'd never run a non-stable release on anything critical
06:18<eatnumber1>I just use debian backports though for the things I need newer versions of
06:18<jeremiah_>Well, you're more conservative than I am. :)
06:18<jeremiah_>Or smarter!
06:18<Marius>I'll go with smarter!
06:18<Marius>I mean...hai? :P
06:18<eatnumber1>I've been trying to find a way to get ksplice installed on my linode too so it never has to reboot
06:19<jeremiah_>eatnumber1: Kan you do that on a Xen instance?
06:19<eatnumber1>Yeah, that's the problem
06:19<jeremiah_>Won't you have to do it on the host/
06:19<@pparadis>you can run your own kernel with pv-grub if you that
06:19<eatnumber1>the ksplice guys support all the stock debian kernels except the xen one
06:19<@pparadis>s/you that/you like/
06:19<eatnumber1>pparadis: you still have to have the xen stuff enabled
06:20*jeremiah_ googles pv-grub
06:20<@pparadis>well, yes.
06:20<praetorian>hey chesty, found you a friend
06:20*hawk pv-grubs google
06:20<eatnumber1>and that's the problem. the xen kernel in the debian repos is the only kernel that ships with debian that ksplice doesn't support
06:20<jeremiah_>lol - Linode's documentation is the third hit :)
06:20<@pparadis>eatnumber1: can you compile your own?
06:21<eatnumber1>pparadis: not if I want to use it with ksplice
06:21<@pparadis>i see
06:21*pparadis shrugs
06:21<eatnumber1>ksplice does binary patching, so it only works with very specific kernels
06:21<eatnumber1>they've got a really interesting paper on how it works on their website
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06:22*pparadis looked at it awhile back and basically wound up saying "well, that's cool, but really not terribly useful for most folks."
06:22<eatnumber1>yeah, only useful for the systems where really bad things happen if the machine is rebooted
06:23<jeremiah_>Yeah, that sounds like it might be more userful for something that has to run all the friggin time, does a web server _really_ have to run 100% up per year?
06:23<@pparadis>but heck, stuff happens anyhow, so i really wonder what the point is
06:23<@pparadis>hardware could fail, etc
06:23<jeremiah_>New memory from your host that you have to reboot to use. :P
06:23<@pparadis>haha yeah
06:23<eatnumber1>it's not just about uptime though
06:23<eatnumber1>it's the security patches too
06:23<jeremiah_>BTW - Thanks!
06:23<jeremiah_>You Linode guys rock.
06:23<@pparadis>oh sure, i get the security patches angle.
06:24<eatnumber1>yeah, agreed. thanks linode guys
06:24<@pparadis>word yo :)\
06:24<jeremiah_>s/guys/guys and gals/g
06:24<@pparadis>s/gals/gal/ <-- so far
06:25<eatnumber1>ok, time for some sleep
06:25<Marius>you saying amanda is so fat she counts for multiple?
06:25<Marius>oh, you are gonna get it bad.
06:25<Marius>She'll kiil you in your sleep!
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06:32<chesty>Amanda? praetorian is looking for Amanda Hugnkis, could it be the same person?
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06:32<Marius>This amanda is mine :P
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07:00<Robbington>Can anyone here help me configure python-apache?
07:02<Marius>stop feeding your pythons with apaches!
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07:06<chesty>Robbington: you don't want mod_python, there's something else now which i don't recall. someone will no doubt give you a link
07:08<jeremiah_>You most likely want a 'fast' implementation of python on your web server I'm guessing.
07:08<jeremiah_>Python is kinda slow, at least compared to perl, but you've chosen python so . . .
07:08<chesty>isn't there something like wsgi ?
07:09<jeremiah_>Look at t
07:09<jeremiah_>If by WSGI you mean ^^
07:09<jeremiah_>The answer is yes
07:10<jeremiah_>Looks lik CherryPy does wsgi
07:10<jeremiah_>And CherryPy has been around a while and is well supported.
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07:19<Robbington>I have installed a stack script, my main question is when I go to edit the httpd.conf it is empty, and the apache.conf is different
07:20<hawk>Different from what?
07:20<Robbington>to what I am used to. I need to add a location directive to one of these files but it doesnt seem to be working
07:21<Robbington>diffrent from the httpd.conf.
07:21<Robbington>I am using nano httpd.conf, is there a problem with file permission?
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07:22<hawk>httpd.conf is probably intentionally left blank
07:22<Marius>httpd.conf is always blank since apache2
07:22<Marius>it's for custom configs
07:23<Marius>apache.conf is what used to be httpd.conf
07:23<Robbington>thats what I thought, but it is different from the httpd.conf I am used to from installing it on windows.
07:23<ekes>I think it varies per distro - centos/redhat apache2 is different from debian for example
07:24<Marius>well, windows and unix are COMPELTELY different
07:24<Robbington>All the directives and mods are incorperated into it all ready.
07:24<Marius>because windows is a hellhole to run apache in :P
07:24<Robbington>So I have noticed.
07:24<Marius>well, all the mods are "there", but you ahve to enable/disable them
07:24<Marius>a2enmod <modname> enables it
07:24<Marius>a2dismod <modname> disables it
07:26<Robbington>I must just be doing something wrong in the apache2.conf with my location directive. I guess I'll just keep plugging at the tutorials.
07:26<Marius>what do you mean with lcoation directive?
07:27<Robbington>I think its because when I save it it creates a file instead of writing over the original
07:27<Robbington>So I thought I had to do something with file permission
07:27*Marius prefers vim for editing xD
07:27<Marius>no, it makes file if it's aborted midway so you don't lose work in case you were editing and lost the connection etc
07:28<Robbington>ahh, so I'm just being thick
07:28<Robbington>I think I see where I am going wrong now.
07:28<hawk>Robbington: Maybe you're looking for the right vhost?
07:28<Robbington>Cheers for the help
07:28<Robbington>I've configured the vhost just as a test for some static html and that works
07:28<Marius>This is not the text editor you are looking for. The text editor you want is in another repository *waves hand all jedi-like*
07:28<Robbington>now I'm just trying to get django configured
07:29<Marius>you shouldn't have ot edit the apache.conf for that I thought? O_o
07:29<Marius>also, are you followign any tutorial?
07:29<Robbington>Well I need to sent the python path in the apache2.conf
07:29<Marius>the wonders of using a repository to do all the boring stuff for you :3
07:30<Robbington>Very new to Unbuntu, so its all a learning cerve
07:30<golb>i'm curious about the speed of linode's private network, anyone?
07:30<Marius>ahh, an Ubuntu user
07:30<Marius>that simplifies things
07:31<Marius>aptitude install apache2-python ?
07:32<Robbington>no packages of that discription matched
07:33<Marius>my bad
07:33<Marius>or libapache2-mod-python2.5
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07:33<Marius>depends which one you wish to use
07:35<Robbington>I had used apt-get libapache2-modpython
07:36<Marius>It should've solved everything for you then...
07:36<Robbington>is that the same as the apitiude command?
07:36<Robbington>again, new to linux
07:37<Marius>aptitude is the new apt-get
07:37<Robbington>ok well, thanks for the help. Guess I'll try and get it working now.
07:38<Marius>did yo ugive that a read?
07:39<Marius>pparadis: it's a bit cheesy with the referral links in library articles ;P
07:39<Marius>Just saying
07:41*pparadis loves cheese
07:41<@pparadis>fyi, that's not a customer link
07:41<Marius>I just noticed the ?r bit =P
07:41<@pparadis>yes, that's tied to an internal account for docs stuff
07:42<Marius>stats are fun!
07:42<Marius>especially if you can make pretty graphs with them xD
07:42<@pparadis>although if you contribute a guide to the library, you can actually have your referral URL on that page
07:44<Marius>I see
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07:45<Marius>I knew that...I was just...err...testing you...
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07:57<Doug8>hello for all!
07:58<Doug8>I'm new here and I believe in becoming customer linode!
07:59<jeremyb>what are the tenets of that belief?
07:59<Doug8>I will use the system for communications voip asterisk based, someone has something to say?
08:00<Marius>Have fun?
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08:13<meharo_>could anyone tell me about the linode data centers in US, east coast. Not much info in website
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08:15<meharo_>brb in 30 min.
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08:18<amitz>meharo: it's pink, fortunately.
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08:26<Marius>oh crap, it's axod!
08:26<axod>packet loss to CA anyone?
08:26<axod>hi Marius
08:29<axod> 9. 57.9%
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08:30<Marius>maybe it just hates you? :P
08:30<axod>that's the most likely explanation
08:30<Marius>It's the one I've went with for years
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08:35<jonny5>Anyone experiencing issues @ fremont?
08:35<Marius>is freemont in CA?
08:35<Marius>Axod is
08:35<Marius>you should start a club :3
08:35<jonny5>Club poverty
08:36<jonny5>What's happening Axod?
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08:37<sn0man>Anyone here in the Freemont DC?
08:38<Marius>This is somewhat amusing
08:38<jonny5>hawk: Ah what's the command for that, I always forget
08:38<hawk>sn0man: People are complaining about network issues
08:38<hawk>jonny5: I was using mtr
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08:38<jonny5>Marius: What's amusing?
08:38<jonny5>hawk: Thx
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08:38<Marius>jonny5: that people pop in whenever there's a problem
08:38<Marius>I have an odd sense of humor
08:39<sn0man>yea, I'm droppin packets like made. Always nice to know it wasn't something I did :)
08:39<jonny5>Yeah agreed sn0man now I can go back and hide under the rock
08:39<jonny5>I'm getting 33.3% packet loss to another IP in Cali :P
08:40<sn0man>different host/server you mean?
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08:40<sn0man>damn, even Lish barely works
08:40<mantax>how do i delete a user from my ubuntu system? with "deluser" ?
08:42<hawk>sn0man: Sounds very likely considering it seems to be a network issue
08:43<sn0man>@mantax: "deluser bob"
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08:45<axod>yeah CA seems to be dropping tons of packets atm
08:45<axod>I submitted a ticket :/
08:45<mantax>sn0man: does deluser also delete the group that was created with adduser? For example if i add a new user with adduser bob there is also being created a new group called bob. Is this group bob also deleted when i delete the user bob with deluser?
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08:47<@pparadis>for anyone being affected by them, we're aware of networking issues in fremont and are investigating
08:48<sn0man>If deluser is called with the --group option, or delgroup is called, a group will be removed.
08:48<Marius>deluser removes properly, yes
08:49<sn0man>that's from the man page, so it looks like not without calling --group
08:50<hawk>"deluser --group x" and "delgroup x" are the same, afaik
08:50<mantax>so plain "deluser bob" would not also delete the group bob?
08:50<hawk>Don't know if "deluser x" touches any group
08:50<sn0man>poor bob is getting jacked
08:51<sn0man>"Hello -
08:51<sn0man>We've located and begun mitigating a DDoS attack targeting a Linode in the Fremont facility. Connectivity should return to normal very shortly. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.
08:51<sn0man>-Tom "
08:51<sn0man>just got that back on the ticket I opened
08:52<jonny5>Thx for sharing sn0man
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08:54<axod>wonder who was getting DDoS'd
08:54<sn0man>I have to say I fucking love how quick they are to respond to tickets, I don't mind the attacks, lag, or issues in general. But when you have to wait a day to hear back from support like my last host I would just go bananas
08:54<HoopyCat>axod: IT WAS YOU
08:54<axod>HoopyCat: for once, I don't think it was this time...
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08:55<axod>sn0man: yeah a previous dedi host I used kept you on hold for an hour+ before they'd even answer
08:55<axod>support @ linode is pretty snappy :)
08:55<HoopyCat>sn0man: it was mitigated between "leaving my desk to grab a bowl of cereal" and "finishing my bowl of cereal and starting on my coffee"
08:55<sn0man>shit, you got to call and speak to someone?
08:55<HoopyCat>sn0man: that's pretty good for a monday morning
08:56<jonny5>Yeah sn0man their response times are great. Amazon EC2 don't care unless you pay them to care
08:57<jonny5>I've found australia dude is helpful when its upside down time
08:57<axod>jonny5: more of the sort of "We're Google! we don't offer customer support" mindset with amazon...
08:57<jonny5>axod: Yeah and more of the sheep thinking Google is great and perfect when it is all beta crap
08:57<Marius>It's ALWAYS axod being dos'd
08:57<Marius>let's lynch him!
08:58<jonny5>LYNCH NOW
08:58<A-KO>google's good, but I definitely think people overuse their services
08:58*axod grabs his reflector shield, traverses your firewalls and over-routes the preempted attacks using an md5 crypto
08:58<sn0man>I pray every day that I never have a problem with my adsense account, because it's pretty much the status quo to just get banned and never get a reason.
08:58<Marius>sn0man: it's much more fun when they give a reason that is bullshit and your appeal gets an autoresponder with a fat bold header sayign "we've read yoru appeal"
08:59<A-KO>sn0man: the reasons are usually people tend to mis-use the ads in attempts to get more $ :P
08:59<Marius>Aparently I am responsible for someone mass clicking on ads within a single browsing session
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08:59<axod>sn0man: yup. And the worrying thing is that with google everything is tied together. So if your account gets hacked/closed/etc, you might lose adsense,blogger,gmail,picassa,etc etc
08:59<linbot>i read your email
08:59<Marius>(as in he loaded thep ageo n my side once, then just opened a fuckton of tabs with my ads)
08:59<Marius>I was aparently supposed to catch this and report it?
09:00<sn0man>fineprint right?
09:00<axod>Marius: if you make money on adsense, it's probably wise to open an adwords account, and spend a little. At least then you get an account manager who you can call up and hassle if anything goes wrong
09:00<takamichi>Hey, I need selinux, is there anything in the linode wiki to explain how to use pv-grub & cutom kernel to enable selinux?
09:00<TimothyA>Marius: is this a joke?
09:00<Marius>axod, that's my idea this time around
09:00<Marius>I was blacklisted for life
09:00<HoopyCat>i don't even log into my adsense account more than once every few months... just to see how little i've earned
09:00<axod>Marius: ouch
09:00<Marius> they gave me a new account (wtf?)
09:00<HoopyCat>!library pvgrub
09:00<HoopyCat>or is it
09:00<linbot>HoopyCat: timed out
09:00<HoopyCat>!library pv-grub
09:01*TimothyA avoids adsense altogether
09:01<HoopyCat>or is SelfishMan on fire again
09:01<linbot>HoopyCat: timed out
09:01<axod>HoopyCat: the CA downtime of this morning cost me $4.7m in adsense earnings :(
09:01*Marius dies from laughter
09:01<Marius>you know that's manslaughter, right?
09:01<Marius>That was totally done with intent!
09:01<sn0man>@HoopyCat: hahaha, so true. I've made more with porn in a fraction of the time in comparison to my adsense sites
09:01<A-KO>takamichi: If you actually *need* selinux for something, I'm willing to assume you should probably look at something other than VPS'
09:01<A-KO>just saying...heh
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09:01<takamichi>A-KO - why?
09:01<Marius>sn0man: good to know...
09:02<Marius>I'm starting to wonder what kind of site you are hosting though xD
09:02<HoopyCat>takamichi: if you're looking to compile a kernel from scratch,
09:02<takamichi>thanks HoopyCat
09:02<sn0man>lol, nothing at the moment with this attack this morning
09:02<jonny5>Ah this DOS attack has made my munin graphs look like vomit
09:03<axod>I hate that
09:03<axod>you just get a nice curvy graph coming on, and some idiot steps on a cable somewhere in the world and ruins the curve
09:03<chesty>there was a ddos attack in fremont? i didn't even notice
09:03<Marius>Don't you jsut hate that, chesty?
09:04<Marius>I feel like I'm always left out of all the fun =(
09:04<sn0man>a couple of years ago I setup a Zabbix server to watch over the company servers and added SMS notifications. Well the first outtage we had Zabbix ended up DDoSing every Admin's cellphones so bad we couldn't use our phones because so many txts were blasting out, lol
09:04<amitz>HoopyCat: in some circles, that's an insult to me :-p
09:05<chesty>HoopyCat: is that a 95th percentile on volts?
09:05<jonny5>looked like puke before anyway
09:05<axod>jonny5: hah nice
09:06<Marius>chesty: it sure is, you better not hit the 95 or your electricity bill goes through the roof!
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09:06<sn0man>My linode seems to be ok now, anyone else able to get back in?
09:06<meharo>logger url
09:07<HoopyCat>chesty: i put a warning at 123 volts for no particular reason
09:07<sn0man>ticket is still open, I can type in my shell again at least
09:08<jonny5>Things seem to be back to normal in Fremont for me now
09:09<amitz>jonny5: bank doesn't want me to go in. it's usually means trouble for them if i come.
09:09<meharo>hi I just have question. could anyone tell me linode east coast data center locations.
09:09<@pparadis>atlanta and newark
09:09<HoopyCat>last time i went to the bank-bank, i was making a deposit for an org i'm treasurer for... being the kind of guy who hates throwing anything away, i used a deposit slip that came with the starter checks, still in the kit from years ago
09:09<HoopyCat>THAT was a mistake
09:10<HoopyCat>the account number was different :-)
09:10<@pparadis>well, that might cause a problem
09:10<meharo>could you please provide test ip addresses from both so that I can test latency here
09:10<meharo>thnks will check it
09:11<HoopyCat>this made me appreciate the CU where i do most of my regular business... 4-digit account numbers >> 12-digit account numbers
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09:12<amitz>HoopyCat: our digit is 10 digits.
09:13<TimothyA>HoopyCat: so you gave an homeless guy 5 million dollars that way?
09:13<amitz>can you usually choose your account number? at least all before the last digit?
09:13<TimothyA>and then the bank took it away from him due to 'possible fraud' ?
09:15<HoopyCat>TimothyA: no; the account number on the starter checks no longer existed, so it was throwing the sort of error that the banker said he'd never seen before
09:15<TimothyA>you should have given them bobby tables...
09:15<HoopyCat>TimothyA: all in all, i figure that the day was a success if i teach someone something new
09:16<HoopyCat>amitz: generally, no. at least, i've never been offered the opportunity to, and i don't think i'd particularly want the pressure
09:16<@pparadis>TimothyA: bahahahaha
09:19<linbot>New news from forums: VPS under heavy attack. in General Discussion <>
09:19<tjfontaine>BATTLE STATIONS
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09:20*HoopyCat polarizes the kernel plates
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09:21*avenj sinks tj's battleship
09:21<axod>heavy attack? a few failed logins? When I was his age and had my VPS attacked there were grenades involved
09:21<Nivex>they had VPSes back then?
09:21*Nivex ducks
09:22<axod>:P true :( I'm too old to fit in 4 bits now
09:23<MikeSeth>HoopyCat: For the Empress!
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09:27<Nivex>I'm still a 5 bit number for another year
09:27<Marius>axod, your 36+++ ?
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09:28<Nivex>jonny5: THIS IS NOT A DRILL
09:29<avenj>my solution: have strong passwd policy, then proceed to not really care.
09:29<avenj>it works
09:30<mantax>anyone knows where fail2ban saves the blocked ips?
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09:32<encode>mantax: check /var/log/fail2ban.log
09:33<chesty>should an http server, such as nginx have only one error.log file. does one error.log file per vhost make any sense or work?
09:34<axod>Marius: 36??? I'm 32
09:34<axod>dammit I meant 5 bits anyway... doh
09:35<Nivex>axod: you're 0x20!
09:35<Trystan>chesty: i'm use to seeing multiple error logs per host
09:35<chesty>Trystan: so it works ok?
09:35<Trystan>tidies things up IMHO, allows you to see which error is effecting a specific site
09:35<Trystan>i believe it should
09:35<Trystan>Direct Admin seems to use it for apache
09:36<chesty>cool, thanks
09:36<Trystan>and gives users access to the error log (optionally) for them to identify their own problems, without them seeing others
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09:50<amitz>HoopyCat: oh, here it depends on the bank size. And also, some people only want a number of their own choice so....
09:50<amitz>HoopyCat: ? what pressure?
09:54<avar>Is perchance in fremont?
09:54<avar>looks so, yeah, grmbl
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10:01<jonny5>twitchyass dns server!
10:02<avar>alternate backend support for Git would be sweet, like storing everything in SQLite :)
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10:07<@jed>avar: ns1 is in dallas
10:07<@jed>they're in order of when we went into them in our history - 1 dallas, 2 fremont, 3 atlanta, 4 newark, 5 london
10:07<@caker>6 urmom
10:08<@jed>no linode availability there, though, we took up all the space available
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10:08<jonny5>7 ISS
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10:09<chesty>!library nginx
10:09<linbot>chesty: 1. Basic Nginx Configuration ( - 2. Host Websites with nginx on Fedora 13 ( - 3. Host Websites with nginx on Fedora 12 (
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10:21<HoopyCat>amitz: picking a sufficiently-appropriate number == a lot of pressure :-)
10:21<JshWright>I'm partial to 42
10:22<chesty>there's a wrapper, does that cause a bash shell to stick around, and would exec hurt?
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10:28<chesty>hmm, maybe it daeonises itself and the shell quits
10:28<chesty>/usr/bin/php5-cgi that is
10:29<nfinch>hi, any recommendations for a firewall for ubuntu 10.04? Additionally, I tried installing arno-iptables-firewall which threw up errors - so I removed it. Is this installation/removal likely to have any ill effects on my server?
10:29<@Perihelion>I use CSF
10:29<JshWright>I use ufw
10:29<@Perihelion>It's pretty easy to use and it's basically iptables and fail2ban
10:30<JshWright>(for boxes I bother to firewall)
10:30<@Perihelion>Also that ^
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10:31<megatron27>amitz, pm?
10:32<amitz>megatron27: oh, okay.
10:34<chesty>amitz: don't do it, tell him !ask next time
10:35<chesty>what's the difference between /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5 and /usr/bin/php5-cgi
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10:35<chesty>do they use the same config file?
10:35<praetorian>the latter won't steal your girlfriend
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10:36<@pparadis>ls -al both?
10:36<chesty>i did, there's a 4 byte difference
10:36<mantax>i have a question regarding Google Apps Email Delivery.. I have setup the 5 MX Entries that Google wants in my Zone... Do i have to delete the MX that was been added when i added the domain to my linode?
10:36<@pparadis>well, the difference is clearly 4 bytes!
10:36<hawk>mantax: If it's some conflicting mx record you don't want to keep it
10:36<JshWright>mantax: yes
10:37<chesty>for that answer, I shall complain about the init.d file provided in the guide i linked to earlier
10:37<mantax>JshWright: because i think i dont need that MX entrie there..
10:38<JshWright>mantax: I agree with you
10:39<JshWright>if you want google to exclusively handle your mail, all your MX records should point to google
10:39<nfinch>Perihelion: cheers for the tip - how heavy is it on resources? & is it friendly for beginners?
10:40<nfinch>JshWright: with UFW, is it necessary to close ports - or just open them? Also will I need to install fail2ban on top?
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10:40<JshWright>nfinch: you can define the default action however you'd like
10:41<JshWright>I deny traffic by default, and open the ports I want open
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10:41<JshWright>nfinch: fail2ban, denyhosts (my personal choice), et al. are good for preotecting services that have to be exposed to work
10:41<@Perihelion>nfinch: I haven't noticed it chewing on resources
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10:42<JshWright>i.e. you have to have sshd listening on a public address if you want to be able to connect to it, so you can use denyhosts to prevent people from trying to bruteforce your username/password
10:42<nfinch>JshWright: thanks!
10:42<nfinch>Perihelion: cheers for the advice
10:45<@Perihelion>Np :)
10:48<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Deploy High Performance Drupal Sites with Mercury on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) <>
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10:52<Karrde->how do I #define LDAP_DEPRECATED so that ./configure will find ldap_init? compiling Apache 2.2.16 on SLES 11.1
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10:56<josemoreira>i'm looking for sponsorships for node.js knockout:
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10:57<HoopyCat>hooray, got my HE IPv6 t-shirt
10:57-!-Karrde- is now known as Karrde
10:58<HoopyCat>(encapsulated in USPS priority mail small flat rate box)
10:58<squircle>HoopyCat: how'd you get it?
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10:59<JshWright>squircle: he got it encapsulated in USPS priority mail small flat rate box
11:00<squircle>found it:
11:00<Daevien>no thunder for you
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11:01<squircle>is the number of available IPv4 addresses really dropping at 10 addresses per second?
11:01<squircle>that seems like a lot...
11:01<HoopyCat>squircle: each new linode customer gets one, and consider how small and puny linode is in the grand scheme of things
11:02<Daevien>almost as small & puny as hoopycat is
11:02<HoopyCat>squircle: ... about 14 /8s in the past year or so
11:02<squircle>HoopyCat: although I guess when a company buys a /16 that drops by... 65025 addresses
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11:03<JshWright>squircle: if you're worried about it, just go talk to sweh on the forums
11:03<squircle>JshWright: not worries
11:04<HoopyCat>squircle: averages out to about 447 IP addresses allocated to RIRs per minute, or about 7.4/sec. given that this is a highly bad method of computing it, i'd say 10/sec is reasonable
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11:08<hawk>squircle: Why 65025?
11:08<HoopyCat>the /8 allocations are, i think, a lot more human-scale-friendly than individual ip addresses... i mean, you think "jeez, what if we got some of those legacy /8 alocations back", then you realize each one buys about a month
11:08<squircle>255^2? (although I guess there would be broadcast and stuff...)
11:09<squircle>hawk: ^^
11:09<HoopyCat>squircle: i think you're looking for 2^(32-n) where n is the number after the slash
11:09<HoopyCat>squircle: (or 2^16)
11:09<squircle>how did I manage to get Network+ without knowing any of this?
11:10<squircle>thanks HoopyCat
11:10<HoopyCat>squircle: binary. it's all binary. :-)
11:10<hawk>squircle: It'd be 256^2 if you want to do it your way
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11:12<HoopyCat>squircle: i recommend grabbing a whiteboard and working through some IP addressing exercises in binary... it is, IMHO, a lot easier to think that way than with dotted-quad decimal. plus, it makes you look hardcore
11:13<HoopyCat>especially when the nearest decently-sized chalkboard you can get at over lunch is in the agriculture department
11:13<squircle>HoopyCat: yeah, when I was studying for Network+, the hardest thing for my to wrap my head around was CIDR notation
11:13<hawk>It's, in particular, much easier when you have a netmask that doesn't end at a "dotted quad boundary"
11:13*squircle contemplates buying a massive whiteboard
11:13<HoopyCat>for the record, i have NOT done this with IPv6 addresses yet... need a bigger office
11:14<hawk>need a bigger office to have room for your bigger whiteboard?
11:14<squircle>why don't they teach these things in school...? *sigh*
11:14<hawk>squircle: They do, if you take the right classes
11:14<laser`>they don't in the UK :P
11:14<HoopyCat>hawk: (full disclosure: when i did it every day, i used and a cheatsheet)
11:15<squircle>hawk: university, yes, but in high school? all we learned in computer science was how to print "Hello World" in java (and did nothing for the rest of the semester)
11:15<linbot>New news from forums: CentoOS 5.5, from stable to paravirt. in General Discussion <>
11:15<hawk>HoopyCat: ipcalc is pretty nice too
11:16<HoopyCat>hawk: (turns out that doing it in your head is a little slow and prone to fencepost errors... and boy, if there's one piece of hardware that doesn't like fencepost errors, it's a router)
11:16<HoopyCat>hawk: yeah, there's a lot of tools for it now, but that was the only one around at the time ;-)
11:18<megatron27>hey hoop
11:18<HoopyCat>squircle: dealing with IP addresses beyond basic stuff is a bit of a specialty in computing, although binary/decimal/hexadecimal conversion skills are critical to understanding computer architecture and IP addresses are good, everyday examples
11:19<squircle>HoopyCat: I guess I know what I'm learning then. thanks!
11:19<squircle>something I still don't understand is that even when I try to trace to 151 Front St in Toronto, it still goes through chicago :( (last I checked, 20km is closer than... however far chicago is from toronto)
11:19<HoopyCat>squircle: 'course, we start with ohm's law and work our way up from there, so maybe those who start with java and work their way down don't have to deal with that :-)
11:20<HoopyCat>morning, megatron27!
11:21<HoopyCat>squircle: chicago happens to be the nearest place where your carrier and their carrier meet with sufficient capacity to hand the packets off.
11:22<squircle>HoopyCat: is it possible to get an IPv6 tunnel through HE if your home ip is dynamic? (or should I just go through my linode?)
11:24<HoopyCat>squircle: and yes, everything goes through chicago. traffic from here (via time warner cable, 71 mt hope, rochester) to the downtown office (via twtelecom, 71 mt hope, rochester) goes through chicago.
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11:25<HoopyCat>squircle: you can change your tunnel endpoint IP when it changes, but i don't believe it is good at automatically following, no. i openvpn to my linode.
11:25<HoopyCat>squircle: (which goes through chicago)
11:26<HoopyCat>FYI, traffic to chicago goes via boston
11:26<HoopyCat>(if you were curious)
11:27<HoopyCat>i can only imagine there is some sort of bug in the DOCSIS implementation that means they can only rate limit by adjusting RTT, and the easiest way to do that is to just fling packets in a roundabout fashion
11:27<linbot>HoopyCat: Your current monologue is at least 7 lines long.
11:27<HoopyCat>but i'll shut up now.
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11:28<JshWright>HoopyCat: TWC rolling out DOCSIS 3 out your way yet?
11:29<HoopyCat>JshWright: nope... we're not verizon territory
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11:30<darkside_>is there any reason to *not* trust linode as your openvpn "connection" ?
11:31<JshWright>nor am I, but part of the Syracuse market is, so we got lucky
11:31<JshWright>(still trying to justify the cost though)
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11:32<hawk>docsis3 is a pretty neat upgrade... have been running on that for some time now at 100/10, which is not too shabby for cable.
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11:32<HoopyCat>darkside_: outside of the normal trust issues (see any discussion about PCI compliance), i have no reason not to, especially for traffic that'd normally traverse the public interweb anyway
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11:34<JshWright>wonder if I could just buy a DOCSIS 3.0 modem and use that instead
11:34<JshWright>does TWC care if you supply your own modem?
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11:34<golb>anyone knows the speed of private network here at linode?
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11:34<JshWright>golb: gigabit
11:34<tjfontaine>connected via gigabit ether
11:35*path puts some ether on your bits
11:35*Deadpan110 waves to the linode peeps :)
11:35<tjfontaine>intra-host would reach that theoretical limit [ebtables aside]
11:35<golb>superb... thanks
11:35<HoopyCat>golb: i believe the safety limit still applies
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11:35<golb>yea i suppose... hence the question
11:36<HoopyCat>JshWright: they seem to be rather we-own-the-CPE-presumptive in these parts... i'm not sure if they'd provision an unknown MAC
11:37<JshWright>My sister boyfriend is a TW field tech, I should just ask him
11:37<JshWright>s/r b/r's b/
11:37<JshWright>heck, I could probably get him to talk someone into provisioning it for me
11:38<JshWright>(he's also a member of the fire dept, and a good friend, so it's not like I'm pimping my sister for ISP favors)
11:39<path>my parents had a rented cable modem from comcast (which they didn't retrieve when they switched to FIOS). i later took the thing and used it at my ex's. the comcast guy had a real problem provisioning it because of the mac.
11:39<path>he eventually found a way to override it. i don't think they ever realized it was one of their rentals.
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11:40<path>a good number of people in this area will buy cable modems from bestbuy or other box stores
11:42<HoopyCat>i don't believe we pay a rental fee
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11:47<path>they don't really advertise their rates online, but last time i asked it was like $4 or $5 per month
11:47<path>their converter boxes were about the same too
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11:48<JshWright>who would rent a $25 box for $5/mo?
11:48<path>i think you can buy one for around $50
11:48<path>ok, $25
11:48<HoopyCat>i wouldn't mind buying my own, really
11:48<path>i dunno, i got mine a long time ago
11:49<HoopyCat>considering that mine tend to cook every couple of years
11:49<path>it doesn't really matter who owns it, they replace the firmware as soon as it gets provisioned
11:49<JshWright>that's back when there was a gov't credit for around $50 (imagine that...)
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11:50<HoopyCat>you'd normally think "well, a good thing you don't have to buy the cable modem and rental is free", but that means i have to Go Through The Troubleshooting Steps
11:50<JshWright>now that they aren't subsidized, and demand has fallen off, you can find them a lot cheaper
11:50<HoopyCat>which is a pain in the booter for intermittent problems
11:50<HoopyCat>JshWright: ah, those were/are ATSC converter boxes for over-the-air digital television
11:50<path>i had a problem a year or so ago.. intermittent problem
11:51<path>actually called comcast and went through the steps.. found out my 5 port switch was intermittently bad
11:51<path>shoulda checked that before calling
11:51<JshWright>HoopyCat: ah, shows how much TV I watch ;)
11:51<path>but they quickly could tell if the cable modem was functioning properly
11:53<HoopyCat>path: i can hit the inside interface of the cable modem from here and it'll tell me a lot... problem is that it'll just kinda lose its shit. RF is fine, LAN is fine, it thinks both RF and LAN are fine, but it stops transmitting on the RF side
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11:54<path>yea, i can see that page.. but they got more diagnostic tools than that
11:54<mantax>does nginx get installed by default with the SSI and GZIP modules?
11:54<path>as long as you don't get a lamer when you call that wants you to reboot your computer 3 times
11:54<HoopyCat>i believe it is temperature-related, given that the thing runs hawt and it tends to happen most during the summer. workaround: open the door to the closet
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11:54<JshWright>mantax: huh? that's up to the packager
11:55<JshWright>mantax: without more information (like what distro you're using), there's no way to answer that
11:55<JshWright>`nginx -V` should tell you what flags it was compiled with
11:55<path>maybe you need a vent in your closet door
11:55<path>mine runs pretty hot too, but it's been fine
11:55<path>it's not in conditioned space
11:56<mantax>JshWright: i use ubuntu 10.04 but i will buind from source
11:56<path>if i (hopefully) buy the house.. it'll go in the basement
11:56<path>that'll be better
11:57<JshWright>mantax: if you build it from source, then the only one who will know what compilation flags were used will be you...
11:57<JshWright>no point asking us
11:57<mantax>if i build from source can i use the command "nginx -V" ???
11:58<Pryon>Any particular reason you're *not* using the package manager?
11:59<mantax>Pryon: Because "Be aware that these packages are often somewhat out-of-date. If you want the latest features and bugfixes, it's recommended to build from source. "
12:00<mantax>Pryon: that what i read on the nginx site
12:00<mantax>Pryon: are there any disadvantages if i build from source?
12:01<Pryon>You get to track security and other updates. That's the main disadvantage.
12:01<Pryon>And dependencies.
12:02<mantax>Pryon: But on the Linode Library article i read ---> "Nginx is included in the Ubuntu software repositories. While using this method will leave you with a working web server it is not the preferred method for installing nginx."
12:02<Pryon>You need to do what you feel is best. I'm lazy, so I stick with the package manager.
12:03<HoopyCat>it is a matter of protracted debate amongst the community :-)
12:03<HoopyCat>0.7.65-1ubuntu2 (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
12:03<mantax>Pryon: So if i install nginx through the package manager i will get automatic updates when they are available in the repository.. but if i build from source i will have to update manually bymyself?
12:03<Pryon>Also, I love linode and everybody there is fantastic, but they really don't know *what* my preferred methods are.
12:03<Pryon>mantax: yes.
12:04<mantax>Pryon: thanks!!!!
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12:04<mantax>Pryon: short and understandable answer!! :)))
12:04<HoopyCat>so, you miss out on new features after february 2010, but you'll get some amount of security patch and bugfix coverage in perpetuity for that version
12:04<HoopyCat>(where "perpetuity" is "'bout five years")
12:05<mantax>what is perpetuity???
12:06<JshWright> "'bout five years"
12:06<HoopyCat>!f perpetuity
12:06<linbot>HoopyCat: A perpetuity is an annuity that has no definite end, or a stream of cash payments that continues forever. There are few actual perpetuities in existence (the United Kingdom (UK) government has issued them in the past; these are known and still trade as consols). A number of types of investments are effectively perpetuities, such as real estate and preferred stock, and techniques for valuing a perpetuity (1 more message)
12:06<JshWright>nginx is one of the few packages I track from source
12:07<aalcorn>any reason?
12:07<mantax>JshWright: would youinstall from source or from package manager?
12:07<Daevien>is there a mailing list for nginx security stuff btw JshWright?
12:07<JshWright>I have a script that downloads it, builds it, and hot swaps the binary
12:07<Deezire>Sounds like a great way to break your sysetm.
12:07<mantax>Jshwright: If a new version comes out.. how do i deal with dependencies?
12:08<HoopyCat>i'd probably just tell my RSSifier to stalk
12:08<JshWright>mantax: the build dependencies are unlikely to change
12:08<Daevien>Deezire: well long as it's not auto downloading to do that, not really. nginx is actually made that it will hotswap the binary ;)
12:08<JshWright>I trigger the script manually
12:08<mantax>mmm so from source or not from source?
12:08<JshWright>mantax: not from source
12:08<Daevien>HoopyCat: what are you using to rssify stuff? :p
12:09<Deezire>Daevien: On a general note you should never do anything to something working unless it's a secuirty patch or you really know what you are doing. But i suspect you'll manage :)
12:09<JshWright>I do it, you shouldn't
12:09<HoopyCat>Daevien: google reader :-)
12:09<Daevien>mantax: if you are new & aksing, use the packages wiht your distro
12:09<mantax>Daevien: i am new
12:09<Daevien>Deezire: yeah.. i've got xen & xenserver machines at home, etc ;)
12:10<Deezire>Speaking of xenserver. It's bugging the hell out of me with random freezeups.
12:10*Deadpan110 has had no probs with xenserver 5.6
12:10<Daevien>hmm, all fans going & stuff? overheating or power are two things i check with intermittant stuff
12:10<HoopyCat>i've been doing this for some ungodly number of years now and, still, it's a tough tradeoff sometimes. on the one hand, lighttpd on my 8.04 boxen is getting very long in the tooth. on the other, i know how lazy and forgetful i am
12:11<Daevien>HoopyCat: setup a script to check version and compar ewith yours then scream at you in email? :p
12:11<HoopyCat>Daevien: is what i often do
12:12<Deezire>Daevien: I've checked, no indication of heat. Can run the thing at 100% without issues for days.
12:12<Deezire>And ran memtest 14 passes
12:12<Deezire>and rebuilt the raid
12:13<mantax>how do i know which version of a software is on a repository?
12:13<Deezire>apt-cache show <package>
12:13<Daevien>strange then. i've had no problems with xenserver 5.5 or 5.6, before that i was running stuff on the xen box only or virtualbox on laptop/desktop
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12:14<Deezire>I first suspected the network to stop working, but i quickly outruled that by logging into ipmi when it went poof. The server responded normally until i issued a command, like ping. Then it completly froze and had to be rebooted.
12:15<Tobarja>afraid i just walked in on this... what's up with linode today?
12:15<tjfontaine>it's as amazing as ever
12:15<Deadpan110>xenserver 5.5 caused me problems with my network card dropping packets... caused a right stink... i ended up using the dev packages to rebuild the kernel with a patch... ...xenserver5.6 i have no probs with... i don't even get disk thrashing like i used to on my raid n stuffs either
12:15<tjfontaine>Tobarja: why?
12:16<Tobarja>tjfontaine: cause my server won't ping and can't ssh into it, and cant access the app that's running on it
12:16<tjfontaine>Tobarja: what does lish say?
12:16<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled.
12:16<@Perihelion>Also what IP are you using?
12:17<linbot>tjfontaine: [mtr] 8 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
12:17<Tobarja>is 100% good or bad?
12:18<Daevien>i don't have raid setup Deadpan110, just home servers for teaching myself stuff or for runnign various non important stuf.f idi had the $ i'd go raidbut i dont right now
12:18<@caker>Tobarja: your kernel crashed - you need to reboot :(
12:18<tjfontaine>well depending on your firewall, probably bad
12:20<Daevien>caker: wer eyou hitting your "make a random user panic" button again? :p
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12:21<JediMaster>hey guys, does anyone know if Linode are PCI compliant?
12:21<tjfontaine>virtual machine PCI spec isn't even fully standardized AFAIK
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12:21<aalcorn>my guess is no
12:21<JediMaster>we're looking into making all our servers and software PCI compliant but that also includes physical access to the servers
12:21<@caker>JediMaster: Linode, LLC is PCI compliant
12:22<tjfontaine>all linode servers are in secure DC facilities
12:22<JediMaster>unfortunately are, and I really hate to move back to their crap service
12:22<Deadpan110>Daevien, i got to prefer xenserver over time... although it has had some ups n downs... previously i used various distros with xen... then Centos... and finally purely xenserver... the 5.6 version is working great for me... its a pity they do not give much support to non paying customers... it seems like most problems are simply sorted out with waiting for the next version
12:22<JediMaster>@caker perfect, exactly what I wanted to hear =D
12:22*aalcorn stands corrected
12:22<tjfontaine>solutionary scans are such utter bullshit anyway
12:22<tjfontaine>take a big problem like PCI privacy concerns and boil it down to nessus
12:23<@caker>I've burned days on making nessus happy...
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12:24<HoopyCat>now, the question is, does Linode, LLC being PCI compliant have anything to do with november pork belly futures
12:24<jonny5>I'll buy 18 porkbellys @ 14
12:24<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
12:24<HoopyCat>and the answer is "yes", because PCI compliance == more revenue == more opportunities for staff to purchase bacon
12:24<Daevien>Deadpan110: i haven't really had a problem. i initally was trying to run esxi on the box but didn't have the cash to get gigabit nics that it liked (ie: a couple select few intel) for 4 and 3.5 ran meh. xenserver runs great though
12:25<JediMaster>can I ask, who here runs anti-virus on their Linux boxes?
12:25<JediMaster>because it's a stupid *requirement* of PCI DSS =(
12:25<Daevien>i actualyl turned that server off the other day just to reduce the heat in my attic apartment. my brain was turnign into mush and melting out my ear
12:25<@pparadis>people who provide mail services to windows clients?
12:26<JediMaster>essentially having to run an AV to scan for Windows viruses on a Linux system, just doesn't make any sense
12:26<tjfontaine>sure it doeas
12:26<jonny5>I think it makes sense
12:26<tjfontaine>of all the requirements in PCI DSS that's what you pick as silly?
12:26<JediMaster>the server doesn't handle file uploads or emails
12:27<JediMaster>for a Linux server, it sticks out
12:31<Deadpan110>Daevien, over the last few days I have found out that just because a setup works on Xenserver @ home... heh ... it dunt mean it works on Linode... it made me cry.... at home i have 2 virtual servers, load balanced with primary/primary drbd, mysql double master/slave, heartbeat, ldirectord and apache... all went great until i tried ldirectord (ipvs) on linode... lesson learned ...heh
12:32<Daevien>Deadpan110: yeah i don't really directly move stuff from home server to live, money situation right now is bad so i just have 1 linode right now even
12:33<Deadpan110>yeps... heh... i know what ya mean... my better half asked me why i needed the 2nd linode... and i said... its like icecream and beer
12:35<Deadpan110> about 8 months... i know for sure one will pay for itself... but really... i didn't need a second... ...altho... tis the geek within that wanted it
12:35<Daevien>well my second one was constantly being redone for various things, so it was a test box almost all the time
12:36<jonny5>iphone connects to the internet connected to the google connected to the government
12:36*jonny5 typed in wrong window
12:36<Daevien>no money for it righ tnow so i just do that on the home server, setup a ubuntu mirror on the xen server
12:36<Deadpan110>heh @ jonny5 :)
12:36<amitz>jonny5: no, you typed it right. it's just that the tapper screw up :-D
12:39<jonny5>Silly tapper
12:39<HoopyCat>Deadpan110: alas, at home, you can trust your domU with strange network stuff a lot more than linode can trust customer domU ;-)
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12:40<jonny5>Wow this new MIA album is a hunk of dirt
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12:41<tjfontaine>thats what her bf said
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12:42<Deadpan110>Daevien, i suppose ima wanting to shout off the rooftops that I have my load balanced/failover solution setup now... and yups... ldirectord(ipvs) is definitely a strange state of affairs... so dropped it... but I do now have DRBD primary/primary, mysql (Master/Master/(slave/slave)), Heartbeat and instead of ldirctord... opted for haproxy
12:44<Daevien>i was using the 2nd linode & the xen/xenserver machines basically as a way to learn / brush up on stuff towards getting a job i actually want & one thats better :p
12:45<Deadpan110>Daevien, yups... heh... my real life job... im a stop-at-home dad... I crave for a job... let alone a job in IT
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12:48<Daevien>i'm doing the job i had like 15 years ago to start off.. then 10 years ago for abotu a year as well.. computer repair for end customers. so daily whacky demands & crazy things.. with expectatiosn of no cost to fix all that :p
12:48*Deadpan110 has become a linode addict... lol
12:48<mantax>i have installed NGINX.. can i install Perl-FastCGI & PHP-FastCGI together? Or can i install only one of them?
12:51<jonny5>Every time I've tried to make load balanced redundant clusterr blahness I've caused more problems :)
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12:53*Deadpan110 charges beer to look at a broken pute... but itsa not something i would wanna do full time... most end users are a lil fustrating to say the least
12:54<jonny5>rear end users
12:55<HoopyCat>it's like gynecology... awesome hobby, lousy job
12:55<Deadpan110>mantax, soz, i have no knowhow for NGIX... and jonny5, I suppose I shound do the right thing n submit some kinda howto for my linode setup (no doubt ppl have better setups... but there is little documentation beyond the current HA stuffs in the linode library
12:56<HoopyCat>mantax: both are fine... they shouldn't interfere with each other
12:57<tychoish>jonny5, it should work to have both kinds of fcgi processes, but you'll have to make sure that the app servers run on different ports
12:57<HoopyCat>Deadpan110: stuff like that is certainly blog fodder. "here's what i did, why i did it that way, and how i did it"
12:57<Deezire>jonny5: 4 nodes, haproxy, heartbeat with ip-failover and redundant backend with drbd8 and ocfs2 shared storage for mysql datastore and files. Win.
12:57<Daevien>Deadpan110: yeah, it as a job sucks. but it's better than nothing. and sinc ei'm currently in a small area, there's basically nothing for jobs right now... waiting for one place to hire agian soon hopefully
12:58<JshWright>Daevien: alternatively, you could move
12:59*Deadpan110 is liking haproxy ...dunno why i had never spotted it b4... tis sooo easy to setup... and just works.... nice!
12:59<Daevien>JshWright: yeah, hard to move w/o money though.. but it will have to somehow happen if i cna't get naythign with that place
13:01<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS4538; ASN owner: China Education and Research Network Center; ASN reg: 2002-07-31; Abuse contact:;;; City: Guangzhou; State: Guangdong; Country: CN;
13:01<mantax>how do i know if a package is installed? is there any command?
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13:03<JshWright>dpkg -l <package name>
13:03<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS48324; ASN owner: CTS Gibraltar Limited; ASN reg: 2008-09-09; Abuse contact:; City: Gibraltar; Country: GI;
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13:06<jonny5>Daevien: Hope you get a job :)
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13:07<Deadpan110>@all - great chattin with fellow linode'rs ... tis late here down under... ima gone... nn :)
13:08<Daevien>jonny5: heh would be nice... tired of dealign with the crazy public computer user that can barely turn it on but argues with me over my diagnosis on what happened to their computer :p
13:08<HoopyCat>apt-cache policy <package name> is another useful command
13:09<jonny5>Daevien: Do not remove their comet cursor! They got their computer just how they like it.
13:09<jonny5>Nite deadpan
13:09<Daevien>jonny5: ugh, these days it's freaking incredimail
13:10<jonny5>Daevien: It took me a while to learn to deal with it... often it is best just to not try to fix things because it makes no difference ;)
13:10<HoopyCat>ok, i am stalling out on IRC. time to stfu and gbtw
13:10<Daevien>f#$%3king incredimail is annoying on machines with speakers (ie: mostly laptops but some desktops too) when it auto checks email and some stupid animal or butler or something suddenly starts talking to me and scare sthe living hell out of me
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13:11<jonny5>Kids/employees love it though
13:12<Daevien>it also seems to be about the worst one for checking for virus or anything, it just downlaods & runs stuff
13:12<jonny5>Sounds like you'd rather be making things and programs than doing tech support.
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13:15<Daevien>i'd rather be running servers & maybe internal tech for a company or something.. it's jsut dealing non stop with customers on teh sales floor and strange demands that people won't even want to pay for that get to me after almost 2 years
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13:16<Daevien>i don't mind tech support in and of itself, but delaing with 100% clueless people that dont' want to pay when i have a cupboard full of computers needing ot be worked on and a manager that shoves me on teh salesfloor to deal with customers then complains the rest didn't get done.. it pushes my buttons
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13:16<linbot>New news from forums: The difference between VPS and Cloud in General Discussion <>
13:18<Daevien>caker, if you rebrand as cloudnode, i'll go to NJ just to beat you :p
13:18*Nivex ducks
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13:20<@caker>last call. for cloudcohol.
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13:28*Nivex smells a press release brewing
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13:52<meharo>hi, whos the main bandwidth provider in Fremont, CA?
13:53<eatnumber1>I believe it's Hurricane Electric if i'm not mistaken.
13:53<Daevien>yeah HE
13:54<meharo>or who are they for multi homed?
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13:55<linbot>New news from forums: Website and its emails hosted on different servers in General Discussion <>
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13:55<TheJoe>HE? As in, "I have the power of grey bandwidth!!!" ?
13:56<Daevien>as in i'm too lazy to type out Hurricane Electric like eatnumber1 did :p
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13:58<meharo>better latency to most of the destinations.
14:01<meharo>anyways what is the cpu share for Linode 512. is it 2xQuadCore/40 ?
14:02<JshWright>meharo: the host has 8 cores, you have access to 4 of them
14:02<cmayo>time to vent:
14:02<JshWright>CPU time is divided equally among the nodes that want it
14:03<JshWright>if the host is quiet, then you get to use 100% (or darn close to it) of those 4 cores
14:03<cmayo>i have a migraine because i haven't slept much in the past few days. and i still have to turn all this static content in something that looks presentable and i know no css. my boss knows this; i told her to hire the designers and themers that made the theme but she goes "no, no, you can do it" -- and because of that decision, we may not get the 400k grant and while it won't be my fault, it'll feel like my fault :(
14:04<meharo>ok so 1xQuadCore/20 is guaranteed. right?
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14:04<JshWright>meharo: more or less
14:04<JshWright>meharo: I've never found CPU to be an issue
14:04<@pparadis>in reality, most hosts are nearly idle most of the time.
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14:05<Berto>Hi - Is Linode ever open to giving a lot more IPs for the more serious VPS plans? I'm talking like 50 IPs on different c-classes...
14:05<meharo>could be. I just want to know. :)
14:05<Daevien>almost as idle as pparadis is. he's a slacker :p
14:05<JshWright>Berto: if you can justify the need, they'll sell you the IPs
14:06<Nivex>If a customer has their own IP assignment, can Linode advertise it for them?
14:06<@tasaro>Nivex: no
14:06<Daevien>if it's irc, which it usually is for that many sinc eyou want the rdns, chances pretty much nil just as an FYI
14:06<JshWright>Berto: I have no idea what you would need that many ip's for, but I'd open a ticket
14:07<Nivex>tasaro: kthx
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14:07<Berto>JshWright, a network of micro websites which all feed into the main money site
14:07<@caker>Berto: honestly, just about the only reason we'll give out lots of IPs for is valid SSL certificates
14:07<JshWright>Berto: why would you need multiple IPs for that?
14:07<Berto>different c-classes would be a better linkbuilding strategy
14:07<JshWright>oh, SEO gaming...
14:07<JshWright>yeah... that's not a valid technical reason
14:07<@caker>Berto: yeah, we won't do that for you, sorry.
14:07<Berto>the micro sites are all legit, not pedling
14:07<Berto>ok that's cool, that's why i'm asking. I have other options, but linode is obvoiusly my #1 as I love my VPS
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14:08<Berto>JshWright, SEO is a VERY good technical reason :)
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14:09<JshWright>Berto: I doubt ARIN would agree with you
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14:10<Berto>haha, I will definitely be under ARIN's radar. I'm smalltime. But it's fine, my main site will stay with Linode, that's the one that counts
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14:17<cmayo>hm, how does multiple IPs help with SEO?
14:17<cmayo>i thought quality backlinks was what helped most?
14:17<cmayo>but then again, our CNN link really hasn't helped us
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14:20<Berto>cmayo, backlink diversity is great. These will be relevant (and eventually) micro-sites that feed into the main one. It's not the only thing, but if I'm gonna put 50 sites around the web, I might as well do it right
14:22<Berto>amazing study there. One of the things is # of different domains linking to your site... might as well get those 50 domains from around the world and make it natural, not all from the same VPS IP
14:23<cmayo>well, i wonder what that means for us. we're an academic site, so we have A LOT of backlinks from harvard, but i don't know if it's all from the same ip, i know they are all hosted in the same harvard-mit datacenter though
14:24<Berto>cmayo, RIGHT NOW, from what I'm seeing.... a large number of lower-quality backlinks from different domains is more effective than a small number of high-quality backlinks
14:24<Berto>not saying it will always be like that, and of course .edu links are the bomb (as are .gov), but I'm doing fine in my niche without paying tons of money for .edu links
14:25<cmayo>you can pay for edu links? seems odd that a non-profit would do that
14:25<Nivex>universities may be classed non-profit, but they sure act like for-profit entities in many respects
14:25<Berto>you can pay for anything you want :)
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14:59<jonny5>THE PUMP
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15:48<davidkuriakose>im failry new to linode / linux, im having apache problems, it seems to be very unstable with the django project i am running on it
15:48<davidkuriakose>im trtying to check my logs but its saying access denied
15:48<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: which logs are you trying to check?
15:48<davidkuriakose>i need to log in as root, is that a different login than my main user account i set up?
15:48<davidkuriakose>well right now i cant even get apache started
15:49<davidkuriakose>it was working fine yesterday, i dunno what happened though!
15:49<davidkuriakose>so i run the stop command from the line
15:49<davidkuriakose>it says no process running
15:49<davidkuriakose>then i run start
15:49<sirpengi>let's start from the beginning, which OS are you rolling with and how'd you obtain apache?
15:49<davidkuriakose>and it saids ... Done
15:49<davidkuriakose>then i hit Stop, it says no process running
15:49<davidkuriakose>its Ubuntu
15:50<davidkuriakose>their was a technical lead on our project but he left so im taking over :)
15:50<davidkuriakose>he set this all up, im coming in fairly cold
15:50<cmayo>davidkuriakose: log in as a regular user then type 'sudo bash'
15:50<cmayo>enter your sudo passwd
15:50<cmayo>then do /etc/init.d/apache2 start
15:50<cmayo>then apache should load
15:51<davidkuriakose>what i was doing before was sudo /etc/initid./apache2 start
15:51<davidkuriakose>and it worked fine before, but not anymore
15:51<davidkuriakose>ok, i iwill try what you said
15:51<cmayo>it's init.d not initd. (unless that was a typo you made in irc)
15:51<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: so why can't you access your logs? you have sudo
15:52<davidkuriakose>i can access the logs from terminal window
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15:52<davidkuriakose>but since im new to the terminal based operations, its very difficult for me to view, open, edit, save and close files
15:52<davidkuriakose>n00b i know
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15:52<davidkuriakose>but im trying to learn emacs also while this is happening :)
15:52<davidkuriakose>so im trying to access it via a GUI SFTP client
15:53<sirpengi>I'd suggest you just ssh in and tail the log file
15:53<davidkuriakose>but its not giving me access, i dunno how to login as root in an SFTP Client (cyberduck)
15:53<sirpengi>it's not like you need to edit it, just view what's coming up when you start/restart apache
15:53<sirpengi>I'm not sure what ubuntu does, but root should probably have ftp access disabled
15:54<davidkuriakose>cmayo: i tried your sudo bash then start, it says its runs fine, but when i go to the browser to access the site, nothing happnes
15:54<sirpengi>some systems disable remote access for root
15:54<cmayo>what error do you get in your browser?
15:54<davidkuriakose>i dont get anything fro apache
15:54<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: does apache show up in ps?
15:54<davidkuriakose>its like some firefox unablke to connect
15:54<cmayo>where are your htdocs?
15:54<davidkuriakose>no internal server error etc. from apache, nothing
15:55<cmayo>and did this guy leave on bad terms? heh
15:55<davidkuriakose>sirpengi: i typed in ps, is that where it should show up?
15:55<davidkuriakose>cmayo: hah, i dont think so!
15:55<davidkuriakose>cmayo: htdocs? where are they usually i can check
15:55<sirpengi>well, I'm not sure which use you have on, but a `ps aux | grep apache` might do the trick
15:55<cmayo> /var/www
15:56<sirpengi>is the process apache in ubunutu? I'm used to it being called httpd
15:56<davidkuriakose>lemme try ...
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15:57<davidkuriakose>i just did ps aux | grep apache
15:58<davidkuriakose>just got a bunch of stuff, not sure how ot read it
15:58<davidkuriakose>i just find its weird when i do start it doesnt give me an error
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15:58<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: copy and paste the output to a pastebin
15:58<davidkuriakose>besides apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
15:58<cmayo>do you have an index page in your /var/www folder?
15:58<davidkuriakose>then when i hit stop it says no process running
15:58<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: .... that's a pretty important message
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15:59<davidkuriakose>is it? i had this error before, i thought it was trivial as my website still worked when it gave this erorr
16:00<davidkuriakose>cmayo: lemme check whats in my var www folder
16:01<davidkuriakose>cmayo: yes i have an index.html file there
16:01<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: well, the ps output shows that apache is running
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16:02<davidkuriakose>sirpengi: thanks for the link, what should i run since im on ubuntu?
16:02<thepinkster>what about netstat -a
16:02<sirpengi>you've got a lot of little workers there. one guess is it's not listening to the right port
16:02<sirpengi>or maybe your dns got screwed up and no longer points to that server
16:02<nisstyre56>try sshing in and accessing it as localhost
16:02<nisstyre56>uh tunneling in that is
16:03<davidkuriakose>are all those processes running right now?
16:03<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: yes, that's what ps does, tells you the currently running processes
16:03<davidkuriakose>does that make sense? should there be that many all similar?
16:04<sirpengi>well, I'm assuming your apache is configured to be like that
16:04<@pparadis>they're waiting for connections
16:04<sirpengi>in some setups it has multiple processes running to handle lots of simultaneous connections
16:05<nisstyre56>isn't that part of the reason apache is so vulnerable to denial of service?
16:05<@pparadis>that's a pretty broad statement
16:05<@pparadis>and no, depending on how you configure it
16:05<nisstyre56>I mean slowloris
16:05<nisstyre56>yeah, threading though right?
16:05<cmayo>i have the nastiest cut in my mouth. about five cankersores. it hurts so bad. does anyone know how to relieve the pain and get it to heal quicker? i've been using mouthwash like four times a day. it's under my tongue, so i can barely move my tongue without excruciating pain
16:05<davidkuriakose>heres the dump when i ran netstat - a, fwiw
16:06<@pparadis>cmayo: you should probably see a medical professional, instead of asking for that sort of advice here :)
16:06<cmayo>pparadis: probably, but it never hurts to ask. besides, i'm not going to sit in the ER all day, and my GP has a 2 month wait
16:06<davidkuriakose>cmayo: use a needly and poke it
16:07<sirpengi>doesn't look like anything is listening on :80
16:07<davidkuriakose>it will pop , deflate, taste NASTY as all the puss comes out, but it will work hehe
16:07<davidkuriakose>sirpengi: no way!
16:07<jonny5>wth is a cankersore
16:07<davidkuriakose>how did that happen!
16:07<sirpengi>well, some columns are truncated
16:08<sirpengi>I'm not exactly well versed with netstat output
16:08<davidkuriakose>jonny5: cankesore is a big sore on your gumline, its very painful
16:08<@jed>cmayo: pliers
16:08<davidkuriakose>i had a few when i was really young, not phun at all!
16:08<@jed>in the immortal words of captain phil harris: you aren't a man until you remove a tooth with pliers.
16:09<@jed>that applies to canker sores too, go get em tiger
16:09<jonny5>ah there's some special gel you can buy for those, after a few days they just disappear and it soothes in the meantime
16:09<davidkuriakose>pop it! pop it! hehe
16:09<jonny5>pop it live on
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16:11<MJCS>use a soldering iron
16:11<davidkuriakose>so should i do ?
16:11<cmayo>jed: ouch
16:12<cmayo>honestly, i've been looking through pictures and i just hope it isn't cancer or something... it doesn't feel like a regular cankersore, it's like my whole bottom of my mouth was cut with a knife and it's all white
16:13<@caker>cmayo: reboot, 3x
16:13<@caker>also: doctor.
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16:14<@jed>do not pass go, do not collect $200
16:14<@jed>go directly to insurance claims form
16:14<davidkuriakose>im kind of frustrated at this point, i am trying to move forward with the development of my clients project, but i feel like im going backwards trying to get all this sys.admin stuff stable
16:14<cmayo>heh, insurance :/
16:14<davidkuriakose>i know i guess im learning so its helpful in the future, but still
16:16<davidkuriakose>is there any thing else i can show you that may give a clue as to what is wrong?
16:16<davidkuriakose>ah yes
16:16<davidkuriakose>that was my original question
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16:16<davidkuriakose>does anyone know how to open SSH files in emacs?
16:17<^GaveUp^>SSH files?
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16:17<davidkuriakose>well in the terminal
16:17<davidkuriakose>i see a list of files right?
16:17<davidkuriakose>how to open and view them in emacs?
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16:18<davidkuriakose>is there a test function i can run on apache ? i think i remember seeing something like that before
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16:21<sirpengi>what are you trying to test?
16:21<sirpengi>there's a benchmark program, and a command to check .conf files for syntax errors
16:21<sirpengi>and probably many more
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16:24<davidkuriakose>hmmm i dont know
16:24<davidkuriakose>ok i tried to copy the error log from the log directory into another directory and then open it in ftp
16:24<davidkuriakose>but its saying permission denied
16:25<davidkuriakose>can i change the permissions on the file so i can view it not as root in sftp?
16:25<sirpengi>not a particularly useful method, I'd just tail the file in another ssh connection
16:25<sirpengi>open another terminal or terminal tab, ssh into the server, su to root or use sudo and `tail -f /path/to/file`
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16:26<sirpengi>then, in another shell you restart apache and see what sort of fun messages shoot across the screen
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16:26<sirpengi>well, assuming the log doesn't already have blaring error messages all over it
16:26<davidkuriakose>well it does
16:27<davidkuriakose>see the thing is i dont know any of these terminal commands well
16:27<davidkuriakose>when i oepn a file, using vim, i have no idea how to scroll aroudn, move save, edit
16:27<davidkuriakose>i dont want ot mess anything up
16:27<davidkuriakose>right now i did vim error.log
16:27<davidkuriakose>in emacs
16:27<davidkuriakose>i have no idea how to manuever asround, i see the first page, i dunno how to see the next page?
16:28<sirpengi>pageup/pagedown or the arrow keys
16:28<TheFirst>move: j, k, l, ; .... exit: :q ... that's enough to get started
16:28<TheFirst>er hjkl oops
16:29<davidkuriakose>none of that is working
16:29<davidkuriakose>i mean isee part of the file
16:29<TheFirst>the more helpful reply...what it IS doing
16:29<davidkuriakose>when i open it
16:30<davidkuriakose>it cuts off a sunday
16:30<davidkuriakose>so i am assuming theres more to the file but im not sure
16:30<davidkuriakose>i dont evne know how to know if its the end of the file
16:30<davidkuriakose>so i hit down, nothing is happening, my laptop doesnt have a pgdown key
16:31<MJCS>davidkuriakose: im shure it does
16:31<davidkuriakose>ok im hitting j and enter now
16:31<MJCS>probably a fn key
16:32<davidkuriakose>theres got to be a better way than this ...
16:32<sirpengi>yeah, watch it using tail instead of vim
16:32<davidkuriakose>why can't i just download a copy of the file locally and open it in a text pad lol
16:32<davidkuriakose>ok let me try tail
16:33<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: because if you download a copy, you've got old data, if you restart the server or try something new - you know, troubleshooting? you'll have to redownload the file again
16:34<davidkuriakose>but even if i got a glimpse it would be better than nothing
16:34<davidkuriakose>ill try tail
16:34<sirpengi>well, tail will show you the last few lines by default
16:34<davidkuriakose>how to exit of this file in vim? lol
16:34<sirpengi>which, in log files are generally the most useful
16:35<sirpengi>`tail -f` will follow the file, keep it open and show you any new lines that are added
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16:35<sirpengi>escape, :q
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16:35<davidkuriakose>thats not working
16:36<sirpengi>I guess you need to press enter after :q
16:36<davidkuriakose>did that
16:36<sirpengi>what's not working?
16:36<sirpengi>did you insert data?
16:36<davidkuriakose>beleive so
16:36<sirpengi>is it complaining that you have a modified buffer or something?
16:37<sirpengi>:q! then
16:37<davidkuriakose>i exited emacs entirely somehow
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16:37<davidkuriakose>lemme try it again ..,,
16:38<sirpengi>I'm confused now
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16:42<davidkuriakose>now you know how i feel!
16:43<davidkuriakose>thing is, i dont think apache is even working
16:43<davidkuriakose>so will the error logs even show anything?
16:43<sirpengi>well, as we saw with `ps`, apache IS running
16:43<davidkuriakose>well let me just so what you suggested
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16:45<cmayo>why not just install another webserver? i hated configuring lighty but the docs on how to setup nginx are quite nice. it seems like something is terribly wrong with your apache setup, and it would probably take a few hours to debug (you've been at it for over an hour now). probably take an hour to configure nginx
16:46<davidkuriakose>whats nginx?
16:47<sirpengi>I don't know about you but I find the nginx docs pretty bad
16:47<cmayo>a lightweight webserver:
16:47<davidkuriakose>would you suggest me scrapping apache and just reinstalling it?
16:48<davidkuriakose>thing is i have a django project that was running, if i could do it without interfereing with my code itd be much appreciated
16:48<cmayo>heh, that could work too and possibly fix your problem, but since it's a django site, i guess you need extra modules loaded, and i don't know them off the top of my head
16:48<sirpengi>I would say no, especially since you're not used to administering the server in the first place
16:48<sirpengi>might have redirects or proxies in use that could break things if they weren't ported over
16:49<sirpengi>unless you know you don't need anything from the apache config, I wouldn't suggest jumping into something else (that you've had no prior experience with)
16:49<cmayo>just do cp /etc/apache2/* /home/regularuser/apache2
16:49<cmayo>so you can deal with the configs, and make everything match up later
16:50<davidkuriakose>i mean ive configured django on apache before, but not sure i could do it again
16:50<davidkuriakose>oh, ok i did tail as sirpengi: suggested
16:50<davidkuriakose>maybe this will be of some help, let me paste b in
16:50<cmayo>cp -r i guess
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16:51<davidkuriakose>looks like im running out of "something"?
16:51<cmayo>not referring to anyone here :)
16:52<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: running out of disk space
16:52<sirpengi>I think your /tmp directory is full
16:52<davidkuriakose>how is the possible!
16:52*SelfishMan points at inodez
16:52<sirpengi>I blame ubuntu
16:53<davidkuriakose>the most cur-sed distribution of linux ever!
16:53<kyhwana>Entire team is babies!
16:53<davidkuriakose>lol i dont even know what im saying
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16:53<davidkuriakose>i just dont know why the guy i replaced chose to install ubuntu
16:53<davidkuriakose>over something like centOS
16:54<davidkuriakose>correcty me if im wrong, but isnt ubuntu more a end-consumer build of linux?
16:54<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: I wonder if this is the issue?
16:54<cmayo>ubuntu runs wikipedia
16:54<cmayo>i hate ubuntu, but that's another story. but debian is a fine distro for servers
16:54<sirpengi>one of my clients has a ubuntu vps on slicehost
16:55<sirpengi>double sucks for me
16:55<davidkuriakose>sirpengi: should i do what that guy suggested?
16:55<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: only if df -h shows the tmp folder isn't on /
16:55<dKingston>sirpengi: dont i know you
16:56<sirpengi>dKingston: yes
16:56<sirpengi>meaning, you don't know me
16:56<davidkuriakose>sirpengi: lemme se
16:56<pleia2>export DISPLAY=:0.0
16:58<Nivex>pleia2: not on your linode I hope :)
16:58<davidkuriakose>df -h dump:
16:58<pleia2>Nivex: haha, no :)
16:58<davidkuriakose>sirpengi: is this what you mean, tmp folder is on / ?
16:59<sirpengi>davidkuriakose: well, there's no virtual disk for tmp
16:59<sirpengi>so it should be on /dev/xvda
16:59<sirpengi>which is what we want
16:59<sirpengi>what's the command to figure out free disk space?
16:59<davidkuriakose>no idea!
16:59<cmayo>df -h
16:59<sirpengi>it's already in the pastebin
17:00<davidkuriakose>dont i have 16gb
17:00<sirpengi>yeah, that's odd. usage is only 10%
17:00<cmayo>don't look at the storage use in your linode manager. it's wrong.
17:00<straterra>It's not wrong
17:00<Nivex>it's not wrong. it just shows something different
17:00<straterra>You're reading it wrong
17:02<cmayo>oh, heh :)
17:02<davidkuriakose>so the shell is saying we have enough space
17:02<davidkuriakose>but apache is saying no we ran out?
17:02<sirpengi>I'm not personally recommending this solution as I'm not entirely clear as to what it does
17:02<sirpengi>but it's something I googled
17:03<sirpengi>also, I think the solution is mean for a fedora/centos type server
17:03<davidkuriakose>sirpengi: that solution looks mad sketch! lol
17:04<sirpengi>from 2005, wow
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17:05<davidkuriakose>old school!
17:05<davidkuriakose>maybe this is why they discontinued mod_python?
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17:06<sirpengi>I dunno, but django recommends wsgi I think
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17:06<davidkuriakose>yeah, they do
17:06<davidkuriakose>i think its set up on this machine also, so its more perplexing as to what mod_python is doing here
17:07<sirpengi>yeah, your netstat showed wsgi listening locally
17:07<sirpengi>so I dunno, you should go check your apache configs and see what mod_python is doing
17:07<davidkuriakose>so maybe there is a conflict in my apache configuration?
17:13<davidkuriakose>weird, there is a mod_python.load file but no mod_python.conf file in mod-enable in apache2
17:17<davidkuriakose>how do i exit out of tail?
17:18<chrisa>ctrl-c always works
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17:20<davidkuriakose>not in emacs!
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17:28<jonny5>I will miss you at weapons systems analysis geordi
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17:39<davidkuriakose>dude, just fixed it!
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17:39<davidkuriakose>so mod_wsgi and mod_python were installed
17:39<davidkuriakose>mod_wsgi is what i used to run the django project
17:40<davidkuriakose>mod_python, i dunnoes why someone installed it
17:40<davidkuriakose>ayways, i just said f it, took it out of apache, and restarted everyhing, it works now!
17:40<davidkuriakose>i guess i dont know why mod_python was doing it, but i dont care
17:40<davidkuriakose>sorry to drag you guys in the mud also, i reaLLY APPRECIATEW your help
17:41<davidkuriakose>one more question though, its tough: how do i tell my client with no tech background what i did and why the project isnt any close to being complete, lol
17:41<sirpengi>here lies the main reason not to use ubuntu as a server
17:41<sirpengi>whenever you apt-get something, they enable it by default
17:45<maushu>sirpengi, you make it sound like a bad thing.
17:46<maushu>Besides, I'm pretty sure there is a way to get stuff without making them run automagically.
17:46<sirpengi>maushu: well, if you're the type that says "hey, I apt-get mysql but I still can't access it" ("did you start it?") then yeah that's a good thing
17:46<maushu>sirpengi, not the first time someone asked me that.
17:46<sirpengi>but if you like to configure your services before opening it up to the world, then it's totally a bad thing
17:47<davidkuriakose>sirpengi: thanks for teaching me trim, it loosk sweet and will come in handy in the future fo' sho'
17:47<tjfontaine>well debian and thus ubuntu have mostly a policy of keeping them bound to localhost
17:47<tjfontaine>specifically mysql
17:47<maushu>Using a firewall is also good.
17:47<tjfontaine>if you don't want to provide that to users on your system then you need to use policy files
17:47<tjfontaine>but long and short is: don't perform actions when you don't know the result
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17:48<maushu>rm -rf *
17:48*maushu deletes the internet.
17:49<sirpengi>I don't think it matters whether you have a firewall or not, having the OS automatically start services (and add them to your bootup) without notifying you is not good for a server
17:50<tjfontaine>it's not just ubuntu, or debian that do this, the presumption is if you are installing it chances are you wanted to use it
17:50<maushu>sirpengi, well, when you install something- nevermind. ^
17:51<sirpengi>no, what if I have nginx running for my server?
17:51<tjfontaine>while you may assume the converse [and while others do] I presume there is a policy switch for that, but I odn't know it
17:51<sirpengi>oh wait, I need ab to do benchmarks, I'll install apache
17:51<tjfontaine>it does the right thing
17:51<maushu>...this conversation is like discussion to which side the toilet paper should flip.
17:52<tjfontaine>you can install nginx/lighttpd/apache just fine ont he same debuntu box, the first will take precedence, the other two will fail to start due to port being held open
17:52<sirpengi>yeah, and if you never noticed that apache is set to run, it might trigger on first on a reboot
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17:53<sirpengi>thus serving a "welcome to apache" page to the world, while nginx failed to load because apache took the port
17:54<sirpengi>not to mention if you're serious about your server, you'd like to keep services at a minimum
17:54<sirpengi>floating things you didn't intend to turn on take up ram away from your more useful things
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18:02<cmayo>tjfontaine: why do you choose nginx over lighty, and vice versa?
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18:05<tjfontaine>cmayo: flight of fancy, they are equal to me, most recently I picked nginx for potential memcache integration but that doesn't necessarily rule lighttpd out
18:06<cmayo>tjfontaine: i heard there are some memory leaks with lighty, whereas nginx is clear of them. is that true?
18:06<tjfontaine>cmayo: I have had to adverse experiences with either
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18:08<cmayo>okay. well, setting up lighty really pushed me and made me want to switch to nginx, heh :/
18:08<miked>Is port 25 filtered on Linode instances?
18:09<cmayo>miked: usually your isp filters that, if you're asking about mail
18:09<tjfontaine>cmayo: if nginx is easier for you that's certainly a decent reason to pick it
18:10<miked>duh. thanks. recently upgraded my DSL and they must have broken it again.
18:10<cmayo>tjfontaine: well, i basically got lighty setup. i just need to figure out how to password protect a directory and all its content on my drupal setup. i followed this guide, but that looks like conditionals to me, and i'm using the simple vhosts method... any ideas?
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18:12<davidkuriakose>ok guys, thank again
18:12<davidkuriakose>have a good night
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18:12<tjfontaine>cmayo: even if it's conditional it should still apply
18:13<cmayo>tjfontaine: i thought they were incompatible with the simple vhost setup?
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18:56<JoeK>why does the dpartment of defense need 151 million ipv4 addresses?
18:57<encode>to defend your base
18:59<JoeK>i think we need to properly allotocate ipv4 usage
18:59<spkitty>it's a bit late now isn't it
18:59<JoeK>its never too late :D
18:59<JoeK>341 days left apparently
19:00<mdcollins>!wx ksmf
19:00<linbot>mdcollins: [metar] OBS at KSMF: 80.6F/27C, visibility 10 miles, wind 11.51 mph (altimeter: 29.76) [KSMF 262153Z 18010KT 10SM CLR 27/13 A2976 RMK AO2 SLP077 T02720133]
19:00<mdcollins>Awesome. My ride home should be nice and cool.
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19:14<mantax>is there a command to see which other packages got installed by installing a package?
19:18<@jed>in which distribution?
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19:19<@jed>JoeK: where do you get 151 million?
19:19<JoeK>The U.S. Department of Defense owns 150,994,944 IPv4 addresses
19:19<JoeK>take all their /8s
19:19<mantax>jed: ubuntu 10.04
19:20<@jed>6/8, 11/8, 22/8, 26/8, 29/8, 30/8, 55/8, right?
19:20<@jed>oh, 214/8, 215/8
19:20<JoeK>even more? O_o
19:21<@jed>I got 29 and 30
19:21<JoeK>21/8 22/8
19:21<@jed>7/8 is "Administered by ARIN" - check
19:21<JoeK>must be using an old list
19:21*encode owns 9/8
19:21<@jed>encode: is your intranet 9/8 instead of 10/8?
19:21<JoeK>point being, i dont think anybody needs an /8, let alone multiple /8s
19:21<@jed>don't lie
19:22<encode>jed: yes, but for a reason other than you might think
19:22<@jed>JoeK: yeah, I get 150m, your sourced number looks surprisingly correct
19:23<@jed>16,777,214 usable addresses in an /8, but I can't imagine they didn't /24 them out, so less
19:23<@jed>but not much less
19:24<avar>I hope the DoD sits on them so we can switch to IPv6 already
19:24<JoeK>Eli Lily & Company - 40/8
19:24<avar>Several large companies also have an /8, like Apple and Sun
19:24<JoeK>what .............?
19:24<@jed>JoeK: keep going - duPont has one
19:25<@jed>so does halliburton
19:25<JoeK>ford too
19:26<avar>And MIT, they could probably give an IP address to every pimple on campus and still have a /16 to spare.
19:26<@jed>encode: has address
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19:26<avar>jed: Oh that's just rich.
19:26<@jed>the mail exchangers look like 32/8
19:27<JoeK>avar: at least stanford gave theirs back
19:27<JoeK>why cant colleges live with an NAT?
19:27<@pparadis>unfortunately, for logistical reasons large orgs are extremely unlikely to relinquish any significant amount of IP space. it'd just be postponing the inevitable, anyhow.
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19:27<@jed>did 36/8 get reallocated?
19:27<@jed>(that was stanford) ... no, looks like IANA still has it
19:28*pparadis waits for ipv6 to become univserally implemented so his ballz can have their own IPs.
19:28<kyhwana>pparadis: nono, each hair on your scrotum can have it's own IP
19:28<@jed>does ICANN spell out which /8s it's going to allocate next?
19:28<kyhwana>Also when is linode getting native v6?
19:29<@jed>or is it random?
19:29<JoeK>UK Government Department for Work and Pension
19:29*pparadis immediately thought of 5 monty python sketches
19:30<@jed>if it's random, we should have a betting pool on what the last 5 /8s will be, and who they'll go to
19:30*twoshedsjackson works for Department of Silly Walks
19:31*pparadis would like to have an argument
19:31*twoshedsjackson that would be in Room 2A
19:31<@pparadis>jed: good idea on that pool
19:31<avar>kyhwana: no plans for it, they want you to use a tunneling service.
19:31<@pparadis>avar: s/no plans for it/not ETA/ <-- different
19:32<@pparadis>s/not ETA/no ETA/
19:32<@jed>avar: I'm lobbying to NAT everyone when the time comes
19:32<@pparadis>let's do it
19:33<avar>Sorry dudes, I'm just parroting misinformation on the forums.
19:33*pparadis groans
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19:33*jed goes to watch the how do they do it? marathon on the science channel
19:33<twoshedsjackson>is the parrot pushing up dasies?
19:33*pparadis goes to film how he does urmom
19:34<@pparadis>on the galloway channel
19:34<@pparadis>my daughter is grumpy. that is all.
19:34<@ericoc>i know that channel. can i go to the filming
19:34<A-KO>lots of new ops here
19:35<mantax>how can i change the MYSQL root password?
19:35<mantax>or do i have to reinstall MYSQL?
19:35<@pparadis>ericoc: one better, you can run the camera.
19:35<@ericoc>i'm the only newb. i think pparadis is just quiet
19:35<twoshedsjackson>haha pparadis...haha My evening vacation be awesome
19:35<@ericoc>pparadis: score. i'm there
19:35<A-KO>mantax: google can answer that one, just an FYI
19:35*pparadis goes to queue up a movie to watch with the baby. hope she enjoys "almost famous"
19:35<@pparadis>because that's what dad is gonna watch
19:36<@ericoc>you win for being that 0.05 seconds faster and giving the specific section :p
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19:37<sirpengi>I'd give more points to whoever was closest to the actual version
19:38<A-KO>meh, it's the same for both tbh, or should be
19:38<@jed>flugtag is awesome.
19:39<twoshedsjackson>jed: ftw
19:42<avar>man, that's seriously the world record?
19:42<@jed>avar senses a challenge.
19:42<@ericoc>that looked like a failure
19:43<@pparadis>hellz no
19:43<@pparadis>it flew
19:44<@ericoc>pushing a contraption off of a stand into the water
19:44<Deezire>That looked like something that quickly can end up in darwin awards.
19:44<twoshedsjackson>my baby she rawrs!
19:45<@pparadis>it's her new favorite noise
19:47<cmayo>anybody here use emfield and drupal? i'm trying to figure out how to put text next to three videos i have on one page... i can't find anything by googling
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19:48<dansnetwork>If I stop Apache, should Pacemaker restart it or switch to another node?
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19:50<@pparadis>dansnetwork: you shouldn't stop apache without first putting that node into standby or migrating the service to another node
19:50<@pparadis>that's kinda the point of HA configs
19:51<@pparadis>you don't manually mess with the services yourself unless you've taken appropriate steps beforehand
19:51<dansnetwork>I was just trying to test for a service failure
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19:53<dansnetwork>I couldn't get it to restart Apache using the above method. Other than that, it fails over correctly when placing a node in standby.
19:53<@pparadis>if you manually stop it, pacemaker should notice it if you have monitoring configured. however, with apache that isn't as simple as it sounds, and the resource agent is actually broken on various distros/apache versions, leading to the use of lsb::apache
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19:54<dansnetwork>crm_mon still shows it as started...
19:54<@pparadis>started where?
19:54<@pparadis>on the primary or secondary?
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19:55<@pparadis>unless you've configured monitoring (which isn't as simple as just saying "oh hai monitor this"), it won't see it if you manually stop it
19:55<@pparadis>this isn't as bad as it sounds, because:
19:55<@pparadis>(1) if apache goes away, it's most likely because the node went away
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19:55<@pparadis>(2) if apache goes away because it's OOMing like mad or something, it's 99% gonna do the same thing on the secondary
19:55<@pparadis>so there you have it
19:56<dansnetwork>Ok, I haven't deviated from your tutorial, so no monitoring. It went well btw. Thanks for your help!
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20:00<mantax>does phpmyadmin work with nginx ????
20:00<sirpengi>yes !!!!
20:00<sirpengi>or well it should ....
20:00<mantax>sirpengi: ????
20:00<linbot>New news from forums: PHP 5.3.3 with FPM, Suhosin and APC in Performance and Tuning <>
20:01<sirpengi>I haven't actually personally ran phpmyadmin using nginx ,,,, but by all means it should still work ....
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20:04<mantax>sirpengi: are there any issues? read alot of articles that they have problems to run it
20:05<sirpengi>I just googled and people report having no issues
20:06<A-KO>How good is paypal at trusting the seller.....
20:06<cmayo>A-KO: they are a business looking to make money
20:06<cmayo>so they don't like giving money back
20:06<A-KO>I'm trying to sell something to someone, but I've heard horror stories that Paypal tends to err on the side of the consumer in dispute cases
20:07<mdcollins>I personally have not had issues selling/buying with paypal, but i've heard horror stories of holding funds..
20:07<sirpengi>any payment method will err on the side of the consumer, that's one of the things of running a business
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20:08<cmayo>A-KO: USPS postal money orders are king
20:08<cmayo>and if htey forge it, they're federally fucked
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20:09<sirpengi>that would require the buyer to trust the seller
20:09<TimothyA>which VPN solution do you guys recommend?
20:09<TimothyA>OpenVPN or other?
20:09<TimothyA>or is there a better way to handle TCP/UDP connections?
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20:10<cmayo>sirpengi: well, it's supply/demand. how bad does the buyer want it? i'm not willing to get jerked around.
20:11<sirpengi>trust issues can be solved with an escrow service, but then you pay them some outrageous fee
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20:11<TimothyA>why do they require those fees? :x
20:12<sirpengi>probably because they have to pay salaries
20:12<sirpengi>and buy bmws
20:12<cmayo>and they want to make aprofit
20:12<sirpengi>opensource escrow
20:13<sirpengi>trust some random nerds on the internet with your goods and payment
20:13*TimothyA is very trustable
20:14<sirpengi>that concludes my market research phase, now to develop and deploy
20:21<TimothyA>is there a way to *quickly* set up openVPN? :|
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20:22<Deezire>OpenVPN Access Server
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20:22<Deezire>But then you have to pay per node
20:22<Deezire>well, you get two for free.
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20:24<Gnewt>Heh, did anybody else get the Sage T-shirt from Hurricane Electric?
20:24<@ericoc>i ordered it, but have not got it
20:24<@ericoc>it's been like forever, did you get one?
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20:25<TimothyA>Deezire: that's the one I'm using....
20:25<TimothyA>I still need it to actually *start*
20:25<Deezire>They you need to actually read the fine manual.
20:25<Deezire>Because that is Windows-easy.
20:26<Gnewt>ericoc: I just got one. It has a typo :P.
20:26<TimothyA>that manual is just some sprinkled "oh yeh, you need to do this, and I think this. Not sure about this... and here are some unrelated snippets"
20:26<Gnewt>Other than that, it's a pretty sweet shirt.
20:26<Gnewt>it's like an info mashup
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20:27<SelfishMan>I opened my ticked 15 seconds ago. Why hasn't it been answered yet?
20:27*TimothyA wonders where to look up the cpu bits...
20:28<Gnewt>SelfishMan lives up to his name
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20:28<SelfishMan>Gnewt: original
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20:30<Gnewt>Hell yeah
20:30<Gnewt>(I'm just a small animal, I can't be creative)
20:30<@ericoc>it's yellow?
20:30<Gnewt>it's white
20:30<Gnewt>My phone camera just sucks
20:30<@ericoc>oh haha
20:31<Gnewt>There was an incandescent light overhead
20:31<TimothyA>Service deferred error: License Manager failure: cannot validate maximum concurrent_connections
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20:34<TimothyA>and the only forum to address this error IS A SPANISH FORUM
20:34<squircle>TimothyA: google translate is your friend :)
20:34<@ericoc>Gnewt: how long was it between when you ordered/put your address in for the IPV6 shirt and when you got it? it's been awhile for me... still haven't gotten it
20:34<TimothyA>it's still gibberish
20:34<Trystan>use a translator and see what you can find?
20:35<Trystan>beaten :)
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20:39<Gnewt>ericoc: I don't have a good linear memory but it's been over a month I think
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20:39<@ericoc>it probably didn't help that i moved
20:39<mantax>how do i know to which groups a user belongs to?
20:39<mantax>is there any command?
20:39<@ericoc>Gnewt: what size did you go for? maybe they're short on larges..
20:40<Gnewt>ericoc: Medium
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20:43<TimothyA>I can connect to the server.... but I can't do anything with it :|
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20:46<TimothyA>it just does a whole lot of nothing
20:46<encode>that sounds like some project managers I know
20:47<TimothyA>according to the manual I should be able to use it immediatly...
20:47<TimothyA>I can connect, and then it takes the network connections hostage
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20:52<squircle>pci extender
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20:52<squircle>IRC is not chrome...
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20:55<squircle>i find command-tab way to finicky on OS X, so i end up typing into the wrong window
20:55<squircle>(unless that question mark wasn't directed towards me. in that case, ignore me)
20:58*TimothyA strangles openVPN
20:58<TimothyA>why can't you just work!
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20:59<SelfishMan>TimothyA: openvpn isn't that complicated
20:59<TimothyA>getting it to *work* is
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21:00<SelfishMan>no, not really
21:00<TimothyA>I connect to it, and then I can't ping the server anymore
21:00<Trystan>once connected, shouldnt you have a local IP for it?
21:00<SelfishMan>don't use redirect-gateway
21:01<SelfishMan>post your config plz
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21:01<TimothyA>...I'm using the web panel right now, where does it output the raw config it currently uses? :P
21:02<SelfishMan>uh...web panel?
21:02<tjfontaine>ha ha
21:02<tjfontaine>guis are for suckers
21:02<@ericoc>openvpn has a web panel?
21:02<SelfishMan>TimothyA: tjfontaine is an awesome person to ask for web panel support
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21:02<Deezire>tjfontaine: yhm, openvpn has to be configured to actually route to the big bad interwebs.
21:02<SelfishMan>I'm sure he would be more than happy to help you figure it out
21:02<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: FOADIAF
21:02<SelfishMan>tjfontaine: <3
21:03<TimothyA>I gave up on editing the raw config files myself :P
21:03<Deezire>You need to bridge your interface and the TAP/TUP.
21:03*tjfontaine lol's
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21:03<SelfishMan>TimothyA: distro dependent, but typically /etc/openvpn/*.conf
21:03<Deezire>eblack: yeah, OpenVPN Access Server has
21:03<TimothyA>which does not exist
21:03<SelfishMan>the client side is more important than the server side though
21:03<tjfontaine>your tab completes are winning Deezire
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21:04<SelfishMan>twoshedsjackson: tab completion WIN
21:04<Deezire>tjfontaine: oh, sorry! :)
21:04<Deezire>I partly blame your for having written after him.
21:05<tjfontaine>and having the same first name
21:05<tjfontaine>your irc client knows all
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21:07<HoopyCat>just wait 'til you gotta generate the keymatter
21:07<HoopyCat>ha ha ha
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21:07<TimothyA>tjfontaine: what should I look at to configure OpenVPN to allow access to the internets?
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21:08<HoopyCat>TimothyA: openvpn doesn't allow access to the internet
21:08<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: shame on you
21:08<tjfontaine>TimothyA: I'm really not in a position to help at the moment
21:08<TimothyA>then how the hell am I supposed to establish UDP connections with the internet?!
21:09<HoopyCat>TimothyA: you see, openvpn is a kind of very, very long cat. you pull his tail in new york and his head is meowing in los angeles. do you understand this?
21:09<HoopyCat>actually, i'm claiming my mulligan of the week here. stby
21:10<TimothyA>so how would I initiate a connection from new york, and let it head out onto the internet in los angeles?
21:10<HoopyCat>TimothyA: you see, ethernet is a kind of very, very long cat. you pull his tail in new york and his head is meowing in los angeles. do you understand this?
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21:10<TimothyA>or in other words; how do I let the meow be heard by the world?
21:10<HoopyCat>TimothyA: and openvpn operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. the only difference is that there is no cat.
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21:12<HoopyCat>TimothyA: you have a single public IP address from your ISP. you have a couple computers in your house on some private address space. how do your computers access the internet?
21:13<TimothyA>HoopyCat: through 4 wireless extenders, 2 routers, a modem, and then 7 isp-side routers that are badly configured
21:13<TimothyA>and then it goes through 20 hops to the internet
21:13<bobcrotch>heh, sorry for the spam folks
21:13<TimothyA>I just want to use TCP/UDP like a normal internet person!
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21:15<HoopyCat>TimothyA: for the sake of simplicity, let's assume your home internet connectivity is set up the way common people like william shatner or joe jackson would do it
21:15<TimothyA>*sigh* I know what VPN is, but I want to go one step beyond what it should do
21:15<TimothyA>e.g. a normal SSH tunnel, but with UDP support
21:16<HoopyCat>TimothyA: there is one three-letter acronym i'm waiting for you to say
21:16<sirpengi>ethernet sometimes involves 5 cats
21:16<Deezire>Are you using the Access Server or the Ubuntu package?
21:16<TimothyA>WTF ?
21:16<HoopyCat>TimothyA: it rhymes with "gnat"
21:16<TimothyA>Deezire: AS
21:16<TimothyA>HoopyCat: CAT ?
21:16<Deezire>You need to enable routing to "access" the rest of the world via VPN.
21:16<TimothyA>Deezire: I believe I already tried that
21:17<Deezire>In most cases OpenVPN is used to gain access from the outside to the inside of a closed network.
21:17<HoopyCat>TimothyA: when you pull an IP address and it's and your default gateway is and you go to and it tells you something completely different, that's because you're going through a....--------
21:17<TimothyA>oh, you mean NAT
21:17<Deezire>CAT, it's where you strech cats across the globe and send meows trough them.
21:18<Deezire>Will problably take over when IPv4 is exhaust.
21:18<Deezire>As they assign addresses in the /meow-space.
21:18<TimothyA>nope, routing won't fix it either
21:18<Deezire>And knowing longcat, that space is long.
21:18<Deezire>why wont it fix it?
21:18*HoopyCat dings the bell and collects his "buy one, get one free" gift certificate from Herbie Dougan's House of Doorknobs
21:18<TimothyA>because I tried it just now
21:19<Deezire>What i am saying is thay you don't /have/ routing. At all. You only have Internal routing on your TAP/TUN.
21:19<TimothyA>so, what would I do to obtain external routing?
21:19<Deezire>You have no, none, slim, nada, finito routing between your virtual interface (the one ovpn uses for routing) and your actual interface.
21:19<Deezire>Enable it in the freaking webpanel?
21:19<TimothyA>I did!
21:20<Deezire>then you did something wrong.
21:20<Deezire>Have you tried turning it off and on again?
21:20<TimothyA>several times :|
21:20<Deezire>Then shred it and restart.
21:20<TimothyA>okay, *which* routing dialog do I need to modify? Private routing, or the normal routing?
21:20<HoopyCat>TimothyA: see the iptables stuff in
21:21<TimothyA>or the invisible unicorn routing?
21:21<Deezire>If you are lucky 7 passes in DBAN should errade your mistakes.
21:21<TimothyA>Deezire: there is no /etc/openvpn/server.conf >_<
21:21<TimothyA>there isn't even an /etc/openvpn/ !
21:21<Deezire>Then consult the manual and find it?
21:22<Deezire>You know that we're talking about actual directories, not a link in your webpanel?
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21:41<Gnewt>Why are we picking on TimothyA
21:42<HoopyCat>there's a stereotype here somewhere... i'm testing out performance on google chrome by picking a random station that is updating frequently and actively moving. i hit the "track on streetview" button and... it's a burger king
21:42<HoopyCat>what is it with ham radio people and fast food drive-thrus
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21:44<TimothyA>Gnewt: if you can help me out, that would be appreciated
21:44<HoopyCat>eh, bet on the wrong horse. just pulled into a hotel parking lot and stopped transmitting
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21:51<TimothyA>push "redirect-gateway def1" <-- I would like some clarification on where this command exists
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21:55*caker sets mode +awesome #linode
21:56<HoopyCat>don't know how to make love stop!
21:56<Coobra>where do i se if i payed this moth ?
21:57<@caker>Coobra: hmm .. there's four tabs across the top: Linodes | DNS Manager | Account | Support
21:57<@caker>I'll give you one guess
21:57*SelfishMan thinks it is the second one
21:57<Coobra>caker: :p
21:58<HoopyCat>is your linode running? if yes, then you are paid up; you should go catch it.
21:59<SelfishMan>What is 'Derp'?
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22:00<HoopyCat>domain-enhanced relational programming
22:00<SelfishMan>psandin: Your professionalism in ticket handling scares me
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22:01<HoopyCat>it's the technique they use to relate customer objects and ingot objects
22:02<@psandin>SelfishMan: what'd I do now?
22:02<HoopyCat>afk, off to write a book on Managing Flows with Derp
22:03<@psandin>y'alls is strange
22:03<@Perihelion>Oh like you're perfect
22:03<@psandin>I am, thanks for noticing
22:03<@Perihelion>Yeah...and I'm the queen
22:04*squircle bows down to Queen Perihelion
22:04<@psandin>Queen of IRC? yeah, I could see it
22:05<@Perihelion>Hey man everyone has at least one flaw
22:05<@Perihelion>Don't judge me
22:07<SelfishMan>psandin: the Dr. Seuss tickets
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22:08<SelfishMan>also, linode just triggered the paypal debit card fraud monitoring crap
22:08-!-hobocommand [] has quit []
22:08<SelfishMan>well, it could have been the $2200 in other transactions on that card today
22:08<@Perihelion>It's how we roll, yo
22:08<squircle>stupid canada... can't get paypal debit cards, can't get cheque cards...
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22:23<sirpengi>can't spell check correctly </stupidamericancomment>
22:23<@jed>I dont use spel chk at all
22:23<@jed>dont ned it
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22:24<amitz>urmom isn't spell checked.
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22:29<internat>righto i know you guys have helped me on this before and buggere what i did with the answer
22:29<internat>i have this huge xml string.. i know somewhere in it is <ABC123>DATAHERE</ABC123> in a bash script i need to get DATAHERE back.. thoughts>?
22:30<Plinker> search for string?
22:31<Deezire>cat script | grep <datahere>
22:31<internat>no no
22:31<internat>wrong way arround
22:31<Deezire>cat script | grep <abc123>
22:31<internat>i know i have <abc123> and </abc123>
22:31<internat>i need to get evertyhing thats in the middle of it
22:32<Plinker>so look for one
22:35<internat>whats find got todo with anything?
22:35<@pparadis>it doesn't
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22:36<Plinker>internat: what essentially are you trying to do?
22:36<@pparadis>apparently, he's trying to parse an XML block
22:36<Plinker>thought so
22:36<internat>it is xml, but its not nice xml, its a mess and has other crap interwoven with it
22:37<@jed>why are we grepping cats
22:37<@pparadis>haha yeah
22:37<Plinker>not nice
22:37<@Perihelion>More importantly, why aren't YOU grepping cats?
22:37<Plinker>not my cats please
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22:38<@jed>internat: exactly <abc123>datahere</abc123>, where datahere changes?
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22:38<@jed>i.e., you want what's between those tags? how many of those tag pairs are there, 0 or 1?
22:38<internat>0 or 1
22:39<@pparadis>that's much easier, you can just scan for the start tag, grab the chars up to the close tag, done
22:40<Plinker>that was my suggestion
22:43<@jed>22:44 jsmith@aenima% awk -F "<abc123>" '/abc123/ { print $2; }' < thing.xml | cut -d '<' -f 1 ~/Desktop
22:43<@jed>not the best way to do it, but a start?
22:43<@jed>might as well just resort to perl
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22:46<internat>lol ok, ill play with that a bit :)
22:47<@jed>there's probably a way to avoid the cut in awk that I don't know
22:47<@jed>awk has freaky dark corners
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22:54<@pparadis>internat: it stores each extracted blurb in @extracted in case you wanna do something else with it in perl
22:54<internat>thanks guys :) ill have a look at that
22:55<@pparadis>palegray-mobile:new_clusterd pparadis$ ./ EXTRACTED = [extract me]
22:55<@pparadis>EXTRACTED = [also extract this]
22:55<Karrde>who tripped over a Dallas wire
22:57<@jed>pparadis: no regex?
22:57*pparadis went old skool on it :)
22:58<@pparadis>with minor changes, that example will work in a few other languages
22:58<@jed>>>> data = "blah blah this is garbage <abc123>extract me</abc123>blah blah <abc123>also extract this</abc123>"
22:58<@jed>>>> re.findall(r"<abc123>([^<]+)</abc123>", data)
22:58<@jed>['extract me', 'also extract this']
22:58<@jed>regexes, man
22:58<@pparadis>that's no fun
22:59<@caker>dooo you. YOU!
22:59<@caker>feeeeel like I do
23:00<@caker>pparadis: that's just sad, what you did there...
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23:00<@pparadis>ain't it grand?
23:01<@caker>I suck at regexs, but the little I do know tells me you need to learn them.
23:01<@pparadis>eh, i use 'em when i have to
23:01*jed points
23:01<@pparadis>hey, the man wanted some code...
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23:02<SelfishMan>while ($urmom =~ /\Q$starttag\E(.*?)\Q$endtag\E/g) { print $1."\n"; }
23:02<SelfishMan>or something like that
23:02<tjfontaine>you should really just not use regex for html/xml
23:02*SelfishMan merges the concepts and produces random crap
23:03<@pparadis>tjfontaine: and that is the key
23:03<tjfontaine>but I'm all for using and abusing regex
23:03*caker marks up urmom
23:03<SelfishMan>tjfontaine: where is the fun in that?
23:03<@jed>tjfontaine: for quick and dirty?
23:03<@jed>that's like NEVER USE TABLES
23:03*SelfishMan prefers 'use XML::Simple;'
23:03<@pparadis>quick and dirty can be okay sometimes
23:03<tjfontaine>except in spam emails
23:03<tjfontaine>depends on if it's "I need to do this right now" versus "maintain this ridiculous thing"
23:04<Coobra>i added one ip
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23:04*tjfontaine loling
23:05<Coobra>this is the first one/old and the new one is :
23:05<Coobra>how can i get the new ip to work
23:06<@irgeek>internat: sed -e 's/.*<ABC123>\([^<]*\)<\/ABC123>.*/\1/'
23:06<@irgeek>Well... sed -e 's/.*<ABC123>\([^<]*\)<\/ABC123>.*/\1/' < FILE
23:06<@pparadis>that looks good ^
23:06<@irgeek>Yes. Because I am awesome.
23:06<@irgeek>And lazy.
23:06<tjfontaine>dooooode s### > s/// when strings contain /
23:06<@pparadis>but it's still no fun.
23:07<@jed>how is phil's faster on my system
23:07<@jed>what the fuck python
23:07*pparadis falls over
23:07*jed grabs pyre2
23:07*caker compiles with --omg-optimize -O9000
23:07<@irgeek>tjfontaine: I'm not sure if sed supports that.
23:07*irgeek looks
23:07<tjfontaine>it does.
23:07<@jed>irgeek: it does
23:07<tjfontaine>gnu sed does anyway
23:08<linbot>--zomg-funroll-loops --ricer-cflags --flail-wildly --moar-disk-thrashing
23:08<tjfontaine>heh -flail-wildly, just like urmom
23:08<SelfishMan>I don't get it
23:08<tjfontaine>whois urmom
23:08<Coobra>caker: can i pm you ?
23:08<amitz>Selfish is about to say, "
23:08<amitz>I still don't get it"
23:08<@caker>Coobra: please don't, kthx
23:09<@caker>just ask in here :)
23:09<Coobra>auto eth0
23:09<Coobra>iface eth0 inet dhcp
23:09<@jed>man, python is dragging on this system
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23:10<Coobra>if i set the ips to be static will that work later then ?
23:10<Coobra>now i get ip via DHCP
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23:11<amitz>Coobra: if you do it right, yes.
23:11<Coobra>ips are from to dif chans heh
23:12<@pparadis>it doesn't matter
23:12<@pparadis>follow the instructions in the static ip library guide and it'll work
23:13<@irgeek>tjfontaine: Better? sed -e 's4.*<ABC123>\([^<]*\)</ABC123>.*4\14'
23:13<Coobra>same Gateways ?
23:13<tjfontaine>irgeek: sexy, yes
23:13<@pparadis>gateway for one ip only, it's in the instructions
23:14<Coobra>heh i have to on this network thingy
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23:14<@jed>hm, it's loading time
23:14<@irgeek>Even less back-slashies: sed -E 's4.*<ABC123>([^<]*)</ABC123>.*4\14'
23:15<@jed>well, I'll hand perl that it's faster at starting up than python is
23:16<@irgeek>Coobra: Pick one.
23:16<Coobra>linode <3
23:16<@irgeek>Most people pick the .1 for whatever they assign to eth0
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23:17<@jed> <- there we go.
23:17<@jed>python is more expensive to load than I thought - do 10,000 loops instead of reloading the interpreter 10,000 times and python wins
23:18<Coobra>i think i need coofffe
23:18<@jed>go perl startup time!
23:18<@irgeek>pparadis submitted the ugliest, least efficient code possible short of using mechanical turk
23:18<@pparadis>so how's it work if you randomly change the text in flight between loops?
23:18<@jed>that's too much effort, I can barely type commands
23:19<@pparadis>irgeek: anybody can spend a few minutes figuring out a regex... but that's no fun.
23:20<@jed>every program except for one that handles mail can probably be reduced to one to three regexes.
23:20<@pparadis>that may actually be true
23:21<@pparadis>as sick as it sounds
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23:21<@irgeek>jed: Build a web server in 1-3 regexes: GO!
23:21<@pparadis>oh god no don't tempt him it's been done in postscript for fuck's sake
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23:22<chesty>there's an infinite number of regex between 1 and 2
23:22<tjfontaine>bash is the fun one too
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23:22<@jed>irgeek: good point, I'll revise
23:22<@jed>every program except for one that handles MIME messages can probably be reduced to one to three regexes.
23:23<SelfishMan>REVISION: every task jed performs can probably be reduced to one to three regexes
23:23<@irgeek>pparadis: Postscript is turing-complete - too easy.
23:23*SelfishMan ducks
23:23<Nivex>reimplement urmom in postscript
23:23<@jed>SelfishMan: including accidentally suspending some customers!
23:23<SelfishMan>Nivex: out of memory
23:25<@irgeek>I remember back in the 90s there was an article in MacWorld or something similar about the PRNG in postscript.
23:26<@irgeek>They made a font that randomized the edges of lines a little on each pass, then rendered the page for a four-color printing process.
23:27<@irgeek>The center of the letter was the correct color, but to randomization made really cool effects around the edges.
23:28<SelfishMan>I showed urmom my really cool effect
23:28<SelfishMan>then she slapped me
23:29<Coobra>like that ?
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23:31<@irgeek>Coobra: You don't have eth0:1 defined.
23:31<@irgeek>It's in the auto line.
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23:33<Coobra>eth:0 is that main or alias ?
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23:34<@irgeek>That's not an interface. Do you mean eth0 or eth0:0?
23:34<chesty>eth0:0 isn't an interface
23:35<@irgeek>eth:0 isn't anything.
23:35<@caker>you can use eth0:anystring, too ... doesn't have to be a number
23:36<SelfishMan>doesn't centos choke on non-sequential numbers still?
23:36<@irgeek>Does eth0:urmom get you huge, fat pipes?
23:36<SelfishMan>or did they finally get smart about that?
23:36<tjfontaine>it can be anysring:anystring
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23:37<SelfishMan>I know centos 4.3 would ignore definitions for eth0:1 if eth0:0 wasn't defined first
23:37<@caker>anysring you want; 5 dolla
23:37<tjfontaine>10 15 mins
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23:38<@jed>irgeek: maybe not regexes, but 8 lines without resorting to the builtin API which would make it like, 2:
23:38<@jed>and still a regex in there
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23:39<SelfishMan>jed: I don't get it
23:39<tjfontaine>thank god it doesn't use twisted
23:39<@jed>when regexes can set up sockets, maybe it'll go further
23:40<SelfishMan>running a regex on a packet would be horribly slow
23:41<@irgeek>pparadis: - watch the animated GIF in the upper-right corner.
23:43<@irgeek>It was like that, but they actually printed it in a magazine.
23:43<@irgeek>Because, you know, it was 1992.
23:43<@irgeek>(or thereabouts)
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23:50<SelfishMan>magazines? in print? you mean the old things with naked people in them?
23:50<@irgeek>Like them, but with naked Macs.
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23:58<tjfontaine>and picards?
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