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---Logopened Wed Aug 04 00:00:24 2010
---Daychanged Wed Aug 04 2010
00:02<SelfishMan>first to do urmom
00:02<linbot>SelfishMan: timed out
00:02<SelfishMan>the hell i say
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00:33<ttaylor>SelfishMan: Did you happen to notice the company that started the WHT Attack thread. I have seen a major up tick in the source of spam from their network.
00:34<SelfishMan>ttaylor: sharktech has made it very clear that they will not stop customers that spam
00:34<SelfishMan>The funny thing is that the "large customer in china" they keep talking about in that thread is most likely the source of all the spam
00:35<SelfishMan>Sharktech has been on this list for several months:
00:35<ttaylor>Yep, I would agree. I finally had enough yesterday and blocked their networks.
00:36<SelfishMan>I've had all of sharktech listed in SEM for 5 months
00:37<ttaylor>Several from their network would connect to the mail servers, sit idle for a bit, then issue QUIT and repeat.
00:38<ttaylor>No clue what is going on with that type of activity.
00:38<SelfishMan>the client can't despool the mail fast enough and gives up
00:39<amitz>say, what's the keyword to google if I want to read the account of a spam fighter?
00:39<amitz>whatever that means?
00:39<ttaylor>Likely, but you would think you would see at least a HELO/EHLO once in a while.
00:40<SelfishMan>Not seeing a HELO is a very good sign of an overworked client
00:41<ttaylor>Never thought of it like that. First time I've seen consistant activity like that.
00:43<SelfishMan>The clients are running MS SMTP services from what I've seen and that tends to behave strangley
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00:59<amacgregor1>I just fucked up my mail server
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01:02<randallman>Anything broken from solar flares yet? :P
01:03<encode>nope. we had the solar flares yesterday, due to being in UTC+10
01:04<randallman>I suppose that's how it works :P
01:04<randallman>o/` Big wheel keep on turnin' o/`
01:04<encode>clearly I was being facetious
01:05<randallman>well I suppose you would face the particles first?
01:05<randallman>depending on the duration and width of the storm?
01:05<randallman>but I guess the magnetic field tends to do stuff with the particles
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01:06<randallman>hell Im talking out my ass, Im no physicist :)
01:07<encode>i'm uncertain which part of the earth was facing the sun at the time the flare was supposed to hit
01:07<randallman>or what the duration of contact would be
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01:19<SelfishMan>randallman: as it turns out, we felt the effects of it about 12 days ago due to time distortion, etc, etc
01:19<YetAnotherNewbie>hi. i have a domain which is set to publish /srv/www/ what if i want to define "" and publish /srv/www/ should i define it as like a normal virtual host?
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01:24<Defenestrator>YetAnotherNewbie: yes, except that when people go to they'll also pull it up, so you'll want to add a redirect to the mydomain virtualhost if that's not what you want
01:24<Defenestrator>You'll also need DNS for the subdomain somehow, whether explicit or wildcard
01:25<YetAnotherNewbie>Defenestrator, thank you,
01:25<YetAnotherNewbie>uhm can you give me an example or link to show me how to put redirect
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01:50<saikat>how fast should transfers be going between linodes in the same datacenter?
01:50<saikat>i get about 5 mb/s - does that sound right?
01:51<Thorrr> sounds fast to me but what do i know :D
01:54<@array>saikat: we limit outbound traffic to 50Mbit/s (which at full speed is ~5-6MB/s).. as the cap is placed on the interface, traffic over both private and public networks are limited
01:55<saikat>ok cool, it's fast enough for me for sure
01:55<saikat>just wanted to make sure i wasn't doing something dumb =)
01:55<@array>no worries :)
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02:38*amitz hates very open ended interview, where you don't even know what you're applying for.
02:38<Marius>how can you go to such an interview?
02:39<Marius>What if it turns out your applying as the local office slut? :o
02:40<amitz>my ex employer pulls a favor on a supposedly well connected woman, to have her put me into a good company.
02:41<amitz>she asked me to come tonight. i don't even know what to prepare..
02:43<Marius>a candlelight dinner?
02:43<amitz>hopefully she doesn't plan to make me...uh come -_-
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02:45<amitz>and hopefully good companies as in professional companies..
02:50<Marius>my nightmare client is on
02:50<Marius>shoot me?
02:50<Coobra>Marius: ginmmi the gun
02:52<MarkJ>nightmare client.... I know the feeling :-/
02:53<MarkJ>"This is a roadblock"... "But this was never scoped or requested"... we need this TODAY or else
02:53<Marius>Try with "this iste is awesome! This is perfect!" *day before deadling* "Everything is wrong, start from scratch NAO! I'm the customer, I'm always right!"
02:58<MarkJ>Sounds like the same client.
03:00<MarkJ>I feel like crying recently... we're asked to implement something they want but it results something they don't want but still want the function in... how do we win? :p
03:00<MarkJ>We get told off when we implement, and secondly when we remove it... /sigh
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03:00<Marius>ahh, good times
03:00<Marius>I had a client like that, they ahd to amek the choice between function, or UTF8 support
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03:00<Marius>because they wanted it hooked up to another system by another developer that read things in a special way
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03:00<Marius>there was a workaround, but it required the client to actualyl do soemthing
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03:00<MarkJ>And then expect every single email sent from your system to be received, even though there's no way you can guarantee that their host receives it (we can only guarantee it left us)...
03:01<Marius>our system would generate a file for a pda app, but it couldn't read regular UTF8 tags, but if you open the file in microsoft excel, save it and then import to tthe PDA it'd work
03:01<MarkJ>eww, that's messy. We have handset/pda/iphone and desktop templates for our app depending on your device (naturally desktops get much more functionality though)
03:02<Marius>well, yeah...the PDA app thing was by another dev
03:02<MarkJ>One day we may have to deal with UTF8... luckily not yet :)
03:02<MarkJ>At least handling different templates is quite easy
03:02<Marius>the thing is, if I didn't include the UTF8 header, there would be no UTF8 support, and if I did, it would say the data was corrupt and spit it in your face
03:02<Marius>it was a poorly written app in my opinion
03:02<MarkJ>Not unusual :(
03:03<Marius>I tlaked to the dev
03:03<Marius>all he had to do was fix his import tool so it could read UTF8
03:03<Marius>but noooooo, this was up to me *sigh*
03:03<MarkJ>Well it helps when you can actually talk to them!
03:03<Marius>which I was unabel to do, since I don't know how his shit works :P
03:04<MarkJ>and sloppy? I came into a job where there was a "modular" system but every "module" contained the entire system in its own right as well... and everything had the same names so you couldn't differentiate between functions/modules... and there was zero comments/docs :(
03:04<Marius>oh goodie, I love those!
03:05<MarkJ>Naturally that got rewritten
03:05<Marius>I remember my first week here, I spent it bitching about the bastard who had the position before me :P
03:05<MarkJ>it is actually modular now and there is documentation (printed manuals need expanding though) :)
03:05<Marius>(I manage our linux servers as part of my duties)
03:06<MarkJ>At my previous position I wondered why the system was so slow. Found where the queries were being executed and found this DBO was executing ~100+ select queries per page :(
03:06<Marius>he had set up the linux server with the fs in it's own partition, which is fine in it's own sense, except he had allocated all remaining hdd space to /home and only gave the root 500MB of space, which wasn't enough because when I ran updates and then needed a driver, I was out of space
03:06<MarkJ>and there was nothing I could do about it (far from being in charge of the infrastructure)
03:06<Marius>and of course logs went ot the same location as root, so it'd segfault shit due ot lack of computing space
03:06<MarkJ>oh crap
03:07<MarkJ>at least I didn't have anything like that
03:07<Marius>It's never a good day when yo uahve to set up and migrate servers in a rush
03:07<MarkJ>sure the server was aging along with MySQL 4, PHP 4 and what not, but that was a minor issue
03:07<MarkJ>before the major infrastructure upgrade
03:08<Marius>Good times
03:08<MarkJ>We had someone come in recently when I was busy with other things. He wrote some ajax code. It was outside of the infrastrucutre in separate .php files... so anyone could delete any other subscribers data... he didn't last long
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03:09<Marius>hahaha, awesome
03:09<nate>Sorry, shouldn't laugh at that, I blame my tiredness
03:09<MarkJ>was only on dev of course, but sitll
03:09<Marius>whenever I do ajax calls, I triplecheck them
03:09<Marius>once when they open the page with the ajax code, once when they make the call (soft check) and a 3rd time on the server side which receives the request
03:10<MarkJ>There's a reason you parse via the main entry script which in turn calls the module and determines access rights
03:10<nate>Assuming there's like a central session/auth handler, should have just thrown it into the files if having separate handler scripts were necessary :/
03:11<MarkJ>Yeah it's amazing how many people think you only need to validate Javascript/AJAX in the Javascript code :p
03:11<nate>I normally have JS side validation as well just to save unnecessarily repeative calls to the backend, but always -always- have it on the backend most certainly
03:12<nate>Speaking of, reminder to self, write new validation handler in the morning
03:12<MarkJ>And of course code that can be used on handset devices must allow for Javascript not being present/functional also
03:12*nate kicked up a function last night that takes about 20 inputs from an AJAX call, so messy
03:12<Marius>Good times
03:13<nate>Yeah that's usually why my functions act as double, can be called either from a form POST or an ajax call
03:13<MarkJ>know that feeling to, have started implementing some new data validation functionality in our system myself. Rewritten a few components this year...
03:13<nate>I always giggle a bit when I see code that's like "form_InsertSomething()" and then there's an "ajax_InsertSomething()" and they do the -exact same thing-
03:13<MarkJ>yeah. and of course even with ajax you can make them POST
03:13<MarkJ>easy with jQuery and such
03:14<Marius>I do enjoy jQuery
03:14<nate>I use my own framework, I haven't used any of those 3rd party ones in awhile
03:14<MarkJ>Started playing with it in 2008 after it was implementing by guys at work (previous pos)
03:14<nate>too much weight of functions that never get touched, just ended up writing a simplified one
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03:14<MarkJ>And refactoring's always important.
03:14<johnf>Can you create multiple linodes under the one account by splitting the RAM or does linode not work that way?
03:14<MarkJ>no, you cannot
03:15<nate>Sounds like VM's within a VM
03:15<MarkJ>creating muiltiple distros on a single linode will only allow you to oot ONE OF THEM at a given time
03:15<nate>you can't do that man, it's like dividing by zeri
03:15<Marius>you cna have multiple nodes under one account, but you can't divide the node into smaller ones
03:15<nate>we'll all explode
03:15<Marius>If that makes any sense
03:15<Marius>it amde lots of sense in my head!
03:15<MarkJ>lol nate
03:16<johnf>Ahh so If the one I ordered is to big should I just resize it to be smaller and then create another os should I email support?
03:16<Marius>resize and downgrade works fine
03:16<MarkJ>you should be able to downgrade if you meant to make to smaller machines
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03:17<MarkJ>I guess you could think of a linode is like your PC. You can install multiple distributions and dual boot one of the other.
03:21<Marius>Perihelion icoming!
03:21*MarkJ bows
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03:37<Marius>I just ran df -ha on my router
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03:37<Marius>the results are quite shocking
03:38<@Perihelion>If I were your router I'd probably ask you questions about your taste in porn
03:38<@Perihelion>And question you accordingly
03:39<MTW>packets flyin yo
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03:56<feldmand>After a modest disk image resize (which included a shutdown-reboot cycle) after a transcontinental linode migration, I am unable connect to ssh. Need to determine cause (firewall settings, networking config error, etc.) to resolve. Unfortunately not able to connect thru Lish, since it requests both a login and password that I do not know. Any advice on how I could go about fixing this? Thanks.
03:59<Marius>reset the lish password in the manager
04:00<Marius>the username is your account name
04:00<Marius>(under "Console" you cna change the Lish pass)
04:02<feldmand>Thanks, Marius. I will first try to access Lish per your instructions, and report the results.
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04:06<Marius>feldmand: The username is the bit before the @ under "List - the Linode Shell" box
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04:08<Antiarc>Is Fremont currently experiencing any known issues? My node is dropping packets but bandwidth charts don't seem to indicate unusual activity.
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04:20<feldmand>Marius, I reset my Lish password under "Console". Using the reset password which came up after ssh'ing into my, I saw "Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with the Linode domain name associated with my linode, Here it requested a login and password that I am unable to satisfy. Any ideas?
04:21<Marius>that would be a user/pass for your system
04:21<Marius>(the actual server credentials)
04:22<feldmand>Antiarc, I am unable to ping the ip address of my linode in Fremont, but I am able to ping the gateway and the DNS servers. Don't know what to make of it. I may have some networking config issues unrelated to fremont, however.
04:22<Antiarc>feldmand: I provisioned a second server in Fremont just now and it seems to have the same issues.
04:26<feldmand>Marius, are the user/pass for my system, the same as the account name and password that I first registered when I signed up with Linode?
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04:26<Marius>when you first deployed the linode
04:26<feldmand>Antiarc: the second server that you provisioned in Fremont - what precise issues is it having?
04:26<Antiarc>Each linode has you set a root password when you allocate it
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04:26<Marius>you were asked to provide a root password
04:26<Marius>use "root" as your username, and the passwordy ou applied
04:26<Antiarc>feldmand: Software on the server is dropping UDP packets, SSH sessions are dropping keystrokes. I'm not having any issues with my Newark server or my Rackspace servers.
04:26<Antiarc>Users are reporting connectivity issues.
04:28<feldmand>Thanks, Marius. The password did not stump me, but for some reason I had not considered using root in this context. I will try it.
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04:32<feldmand>Marius: Now I seem to have full access to my machine via Lish. Strange. I was under the impression that Lish functionality was limited.
04:32<Marius>nope, lish gives yo ua terminal window into yoru machine
04:32<Marius>the lish it self is limited until you login to the node
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04:33<feldmand>Understand. Lish is limited, but can provide the bridge to the node, when ssh functionality is absent for some reason.
04:35<feldmand>Marius: Thank you very much for your help and patience.
04:36<Marius>No problem
04:36<Marius>It was that or do actual worj :P
04:37<feldmand>Antiarc: what is the typical scenario when users report connectivity issues? Does Linode make an announcement when problems are resolved? Does Linode report on the causes of the connectivity issues plus an estimate of how long it will take to resolve them?
04:37<Antiarc>Generally, yeah
04:38<Antiarc> has updates, but I'm not seeing anything right now
04:38<feldmand>Marius: I was fortunate that you did not feel like working at this time.
04:38<Antiarc>Which is why I'm asking if it's just me :)
04:38*amitz shoots Marius
04:38<amitz>okay, that comment has expired...
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04:43*Marius "shoots" amitz
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04:48<amitz>yucky -_-
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04:49<amitz>not sure if I should back :-p
04:50<amitz>it's gonna be a long drive, i hope it's worth it..
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04:52<Marius>good luck!
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04:54<amitz>thanks, I'll need it. Their recommendation is historically bias towards certain type of companies... non-professional companies I don't like -_-
04:55<amitz>this one suppose to be different.
04:55<amitz>anyway, I'm out
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05:58<Marius>Did I just enable IPv6 at home thanks to dd-wrt?
05:59<Marius>Why yes, yes I did :D
06:11<Marius>Now i just need to set up a tunnel since my ISP is retarded and won't give IPv6 because their architecture doens't support it >_<
06:11<NotInternat>im sure there are plenty out there
06:11<Marius>plenty of what?
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06:13<Nivex>and plenty of ISPs that aren't ready
06:14<Nivex>Marius: is there a fairly easy howto on that for dd-wrt? a friend of mine is running it and wants to get started.
06:14<Marius>I'm not sure, I just foudn the big button labeled "enable IPv6" just now
06:14<Marius>I got dd-wrt yesterday, never used it before then
06:14<Marius>hell, I jsut found out how to do DHCP reservations in it xD
06:15<Marius>that'll probably help a bit
06:15<Marius>awesome, they have a HE guide! :D
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06:17<Nivex>sweet, thanks
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06:19<Marius>(I prefer HE as I've had good experiences with them, and they don't kill your tunnel if they notice IRC activity)
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06:43<Jippi_moc>stan_theman: dude :P
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06:55<@mikegrb>mmm cake
06:55<HoopyCat>Preparing an attractive baked good is a trivial endeavour; if the instructions are unclear, please refer to the written directions. Be advised that poor adherence to the instructions will result in a deranged cake.
06:57<Antiarc>Also the wrong channel.
06:57<Antiarc>But still amazing.
07:00<Jippi_moc>mikegrb: can you see anything wrong with my machine (id 54987) it just stopped responding out of the blue - I have rebooted it and it's back with read-only fs
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07:02<Jippi_moc>it's just hanging at "Starting enhanced syslogd: rsyslogd"
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07:03<Jippi_moc>trying a disk check
07:05<Jippi_moc>that fixed it :)
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07:15<lorena>gun español
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07:59<stan_theman>Jippi_moc: dude!
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08:00<linbot>stan, the man without an ampersand
08:00<Marius>ok so dd-wrt can't set god damn static dhcp's
08:00<Marius>this is somewhat of a problem for me
08:01<chesty>why do you think it can't?
08:02<Nivex>my friend sets static DHCPs all the time
08:02<Marius>because it keeps clearing the fields when I hit commit
08:03<Marius>with no errors or anything o_O
08:04<Marius>all I'm finding seems to be for old versions as well
08:08<Marius>ok, going all commadnline on this bitch! :P
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08:13<Nivex>IMAP4 vs Maildir over SSHFS: compare and contrast
08:13<Marius>Google Apps.
08:13<Nivex>WHY DO PEOPLE DO THAT?!?!?!
08:14<Marius>Do what? :P
08:14<Marius>be lazy?
08:14<Nivex>Pick A or B: C!
08:14<chesty>sshfs is slow as a dog
08:14<Nivex>If I fucking wanted Google Apps, I'd fucking go to Google Apps
08:14<Nivex>Google is not fucking GOD!
08:15<chesty>which is a weird saying, dogs are faster than us
08:15<Marius>slow as a fat dog?
08:18<Jippi_moc>stan_theman: I had my first server crash today! :(
08:18<stan_theman>Jippi_moc: oh no! what happened?
08:19<Yaakov>To "dog it" means to not put in a full effort. I suspect that's where "dog slow" comes from.
08:19<Jippi_moc>stan_theman: not sure.. plenty of free ram.. it just froze up... When I rebooted the FS was readonly.. so booted into recovery and ran disk check.. it fixed two inode errors and then it just worked again
08:20<stan_theman>Jippi_moc: hm. at least it sounds like you got it back in order pretty quickly. have any idea what might have caused it?
08:21<Jippi_moc>stan_theman: no, none at all.. was nothing in the error logs afaik ... it was a nasty flashback to though :) might just have been a lonely fluke.. I'm not going to worry too much until it's done it one more time
08:21<Jippi_moc>stan_theman: everything resource-wise looked just fine before the crash
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08:33<Marius>heh, cna't have spaces or special chars in the device name on dd-wrt aparently
08:34<Marius>that sucks for naming schemes when I do stuff liek "<location>-<name>", now I gotta do "<location><name>" in one long string
08:37<Nivex>that doesn't seem right
08:38<Marius>indeed it doesn't
08:38<Marius>but that's all I can find
08:40<Marius>manually adding, it'll only let me ad 1 static lease
08:40<Marius>it keeps overwriting that one =/
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08:44<JshWright>Marius: Hit "add", add the lease, hit save, hit "add" again, add the next lease, hit save again
08:44<JshWright>lather, rinse, repeat
08:44<Marius>tried it
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08:44<Marius>every time I hit save it clears whatever I wrote
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08:49<Marius>well, this is odd
08:49<Marius>if I do the lease asigning remotely it works o_O
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09:04<dKingston>i almost thought oftc broke, heh
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09:35<amitz>Marius: not as expected. she was a big talk.
09:37<amitz>why not just !summerbomb?
09:37<megatron27>hey amitz
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09:38<amitz>megatron27: heya
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09:39<megatron27>I want some tea.
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09:40<amitz>SpaceHobo: chu's face on summerglau's is enough
09:40<captain-murphy>Hello, I just used the snapshot backup/restore option on my linode for the first time and it looks like it created another 'restore' profile next to my original profile (I guess I expected it to replace my original profile). At this point - how can I tell which of my profiles is running? Can I delete my old(broken) profile?
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09:40<mrphoebs0>hi guys
09:41<mrphoebs0>Just got my linode yesterday and Im trying to harden it
09:41<mrphoebs0>im having some trouble with apparmor
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09:41<mrphoebs0>even though i've istalled profiles and execute /etc/init.d/apparmor start
09:42<mrphoebs0>when I say aa-status or apparmor_status it says module not loaded
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09:42<amitz>SpaceHobo: s/is not considering/is/
09:43<mrphoebs0>apparmor help somebody?
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09:44<amitz>SpaceHobo: i'd like to recheck my review but this food is too delicious too ignore.
09:44<mrphoebs0>Oh, is it, when I saw the init.d script I thought they did
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09:44<mrphoebs0>thanks for pointing that out SpaceHobo
09:45<captain-murphy>Has anyone used the 'backup/restore' feature in the Linode Manager?
09:46<mrphoebs0>Thanks, for the help!
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09:48<Ziggy`>Hello all..
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09:50<Ziggy`>I've noticed that my disk i/o has gone up the roof the last day, and the cpu usage is going mad, it's averaging at 80% - This has been all fine for months/years before..
09:50<Ziggy`>Can I somehow check it better out what could be causing this?
09:51<mattg>use htop to see what process is using cpu?
09:51<Ziggy`>Okay, what about the disk i/o
09:52<TheFirst>Ziggy`: checked your mem usage?
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09:54<Ziggy`>Holy moly
09:54<Ziggy`>no wonder..
09:54<Ziggy`>I can see it now
09:55<Ziggy`>Memory usage is fine though, 228/512
09:56<Ziggy`>Load avg is 1.22/1.20/1.06
09:56<Ziggy`>But ..however, mysql is jumping up to 99% avg cpu usage..
09:57<chesty>D state processes do count towards loadavg in linux
09:57<chesty>with a broken nfs, you can get load average up to 1000s
09:59<Ziggy`>What is your threshold on disk i/o for letting you know ?
09:59<Ziggy`>disk i/o is going at 3700 now..
10:00<chesty>constant 1000+ is probably a worry, spikes are fine and normal
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10:01<Ziggy`>avg last 30 days 2610.92
10:01<pigdude>So I was never able to make further progress on my SSH tunnel issue. What should I do? OpenSSH of course is installed w/ the distro, and I don't expect that reinstalling the package would accomplish anything
10:02<Ziggy`>max: 22406.87
10:03<Ziggy`>perhaps a bit crazy?
10:04<pigdude>Ziggy`: Disk IO?
10:05<pigdude>Ziggy`: avg 2.6k is fine in my experience
10:05<pigdude>Ziggy`: that's not swapping is it?
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10:06<Ziggy`>avg: 4.4k last 24h
10:06<chesty>as long as it's properly configured and not just a broken process
10:06<Ziggy`>pigdude: it shouldn't be, but avg in june was 156b
10:06<Ziggy`>it's gone up the roof
10:07<chesty>how many hits per second are you getting?
10:07<pigdude>Ziggy`: is your server's performance generally acceptable?
10:07<Ziggy`>chesty: How can I check?
10:07<pigdude>Ziggy`: log analysis etc
10:07<chesty>look at the webserver logs
10:07<pigdude>chesty: I average crazy I/O with no high requests. After a while I learned to just ignore it because it didn't seem to have an effect
10:08<pigdude>chesty: my guess is that MySQL hits the disk a lot, mainly
10:08<Ziggy`>pigdude: Was before, but now it's hitting avg 80% cpu usage last few days.. before it was around 5% :-P
10:08<pigdude>Ziggy`: ah ha so something is wrong
10:08<chesty>pigdude: I'm glad I'm not your neighbour
10:08<pigdude>chesty: ?
10:08<pigdude>Ziggy`: `top`. what's hitting the cpu?
10:09<pigdude>Ziggy`: or better yet `htop` :^)
10:09<Ziggy`>pigdude: mysql..
10:09<Ziggy`>pigdude: mysql is hitting at like there's no tomorrow
10:09<pigdude>Ziggy`: have you tuned your my.cnf?
10:09<Ziggy`>Not recently.
10:10<pigdude>Ziggy`: maybe see what tells you
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10:11<pigdude>Ziggy`: reputable mysql tuning advice script
10:11<Solver>there has been some fun with mysql & write barriers on the filesystem
10:11<TheFirst>check to see if there's a particulary query that's killing mysql
10:11<Solver>with write barriers enabled people saw bad performance from innodb based DBs
10:12<Solver>innodb was writing a lot triggering write barriers and much fun ensued. this was seen more with xfs as it enabled write barriers by default
10:12<Ziggy`>pigdude: Is it okay to use the tuning-primer while everything's being run?
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10:15<pigdude>Ziggy`: yes, it's just an analysis script. It won't affect services and doesn't require superuser
10:15<pigdude>Ziggy`: what's `free -m` look like?
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10:16<pigdude>Ziggy`: many things you can tune will lower disk hit by using more RAM
10:18<Solver>I've been using collectd for performance analysis
10:18<Solver>it shows me pretty graphs for mysql
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10:30<MTecknology>I'm fighting something that might be obvious for the smart people of this channel... I want to run ssh pu devguy - I want pu devguy to be run on the server.. but on that server pu is a bash alias setup by /etc/bash.bashrc. So when I try what I typed - I'm told pu: command not found
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10:34<chesty>/etc/bash.bashrc is for interactive shells. personally i would make it a shell script, but you could also move the alias somewhere else
10:36<chesty>you could try moving the alias to /etc/profile
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10:38<MTecknology>chesty: that didn't work either :(
10:38<amitz>it's obvious.
10:38*amitz feels smart now.
10:39<MTecknology>amitz: enlighted the novice? :)
10:39<Marius>so after I added static routes to dd-wrt, it no longer lets me access it at all
10:40<Marius>can't ssh, can't get on web gui, can't get online with it at all =/
10:40<amitz>MTecknology: nah, it's actually not obvious to me but I don't want to admit I'm dumb.
10:41<Ziggy`>pigdude: I found my problem
10:41<pigdude>Ziggy`: what was it?
10:41<pigdude>Ziggy`: ants?
10:43<MTecknology>chesty: I also tried this - ssh "bash -l pu"
10:43<Ziggy`>pigdude: pageviews on my site went to 50.000 last 3 days.
10:44<Ziggy`>pigdude: That must be why this has been going on
10:44<pigdude>Ziggy`: are you using static page cache, memcached, or anything like that?
10:44<pigdude>Ziggy`: how much ram do you let mysql use for cache?
10:44<pigdude>Ziggy`: also what is the application language?
10:45<Ziggy`>pigdude: It's always new content for each new page, it was 50.000 new page visits, as in pages that other's had not visited before.
10:45<Ziggy`>pigdude: So it's always fetching new content on those sites..
10:45<Ziggy`>pigdude: Language is PHP and I use cache yeah.
10:45<pigdude>Ziggy`: APC nostat?
10:45<Ziggy`>pigdude: what's APC ?
10:46<pigdude>Ziggy`: major performance gains w/
10:46<pigdude>Ziggy`: if I understand correctly, you're storing remote content in your database?
10:47<pigdude>Ziggy`: or does your backend perform the request(s) and immediately return it to the client?
10:47<Ziggy`>the backend performs the requests..
10:47<pigdude>Ziggy`: man that's tough. wonder how you throttle them, I imagine that would be really difficult on your network
10:47<pigdude>Ziggy`: I've never built something like that so my useful advice stops here :^)
10:48<Ziggy`>Yeah :/
10:48<pigdude>Ziggy`: although I imagine you could have machines dedicated to that processing
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10:49<Ziggy`>Yeah perhaps.
10:49<pigdude>Ziggy`: good luck :^)
10:51<Ziggy`>Thanks buddy :P this will be quite a process
10:51<Ziggy`>The app is being manipulated like a shop
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10:55<Marius>yay, hard reset and I can now get a proper IP form it, but I cna't access it in any way *sigh*
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11:03<DephNet[Paul]>hmm, i wonder when T-Mobile will release Froyo for the HTC Desire
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11:08<hobot>root that crap
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11:11<Marius>I would, but I cna't get on the damn thing
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11:14<amitz>DephNet[Paul]: probably never.
11:15<amitz>I have no reason to say that, I'm just happy to see people's suffering these days :-p
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11:15<anon6995>Will having a insufficient amount of RAM actually effect the end-users page-load time?
11:15<DephNet[Paul]>amitz, tonight apparently, but seeing as HTC has only just released Froyo I doubt that, lets just hope they don't pull a Vodafone :P
11:15<anon6995>or does it just make a difference with things like apache/mysql taking up too much memory and crashing?
11:16<JshWright>anon6995: of course?
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11:16<DephNet[Paul]>anon6995, the pages will be served slower
11:16<JshWright>if at all
11:16<amitz>DephNet[Paul]: I'm still a bit undecided, iphone 4 or samsung galaxy s. But more into samsung (android)
11:17<anon6995>Iphone4 ftw
11:17<hobot>iphone 4 is great for everything but being a phone
11:17<DephNet[Paul]>amitz, choose the Samsung, at least you know it will work, without needing to cut off your fingers
11:17<anon6995>Is there any easy way to tell how much RAM I should have? I bought 512 standard and just added 90MB extra but is that enough?
11:17<Nivex>hobot: which is fine since people don't talk anymore
11:18<anon6995>hobot: How so - works great as a phone?
11:18<JshWright>anon6995: are you running out?
11:18<stan_theman>hobot: I think wired had a graph with the same outcome :P
11:18<JshWright>anon6995: the RAM addons are rarely a good idea
11:18<anon6995>JshWright: I was - and it kept crashing MySQL but then I applied some patches to apache and it seems to be running fine now
11:18<amitz>yes, samsung ftw.
11:19<JshWright>applied some patches? do you mean "modified some configuration files"?
11:20<anon6995>The ones listed here:
11:20<DephNet[Paul]>amitz, Steve Jobs wants to put across the illusion that all phones suffer from dropped calls, while that is true to an extent, look at the pictures that Apple has released, all of the phones need to be pretty much crushed, or totally enclosed in a pocket of flesh, apart from the iPhone
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11:21<JshWright>anon6995: ok, could you pastebin the output of free -m
11:22<DephNet[Paul]>but, saying that, my Desire has not dropped a call yet *touches wood*
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11:22<hobot>the thing is apple always allowed an enormous amount of dropped calls
11:22<anon6995>DesphNet: I know plenty of people with iPhone 4s who have never had a dropped call (UK)
11:22<hobot>I have dropped 2 calls with my droid in 9 months
11:22<hobot>and I use google voice
11:22<hobot>so sometimes it is weird
11:23<anon6995>and dropped calls didnt exist over here before the iPhone 4
11:23<DephNet[Paul]>anon6995, are they holding it normally, or in the Steve Jobs approved manor?
11:23<anon6995>its got more to do with AT&T than apple
11:23<amitz>DephNet[Paul]: hmm, I don't really know what to say since I've never touched an iphone before.
11:23<amitz>a friend said that iphone still sucks in multi tasking?
11:24<anon6995>just normal use
11:24<DephNet[Paul]>anon6995, no, its got more to do with Apple putting the aerial in a location that can be touched, on the outside of the phone
11:24<Nivex>DephNet[Paul]: How would they get access to his home? (ITYM manner)
11:24<JshWright>anon6995: you added 90MB of RAM? free disagrees with you
11:24<DephNet[Paul]>Nivex, what?
11:25<Nivex>manor: The land belonging to a lord or nobleman
11:25<anon6995>DephNet: I'm pretty sure most of the arial issues are a software error
11:25<anon6995>where its not actually loosing signal
11:25<anon6995>but never had signal in the first place
11:25<DephNet[Paul]>Nivex, yes, sorry i do mean manner
11:25<anon6995>JshWright: yep, it was only 5 min ago so maybe it's not kicked in yet? or do I need to reboot?
11:25<Nivex>given who you were talking about though that homonym is amusing
11:26<JshWright>you need to reboot, but I wouldn't bother with is, your server looks pretty healthy, memory wise
11:26<JshWright>I assume you restarted Apache after modifying those config files?
11:26<DephNet[Paul]>anon6995, so everyone that PROVED it was a hardware issue is lying, and His Holiness Steve is telling the truth?
11:26<anon6995>JshWright: yeh - and its been working fine since. The site does load a bit slow some times
11:27<JshWright>that's probably just network latency
11:27<JshWright>the internet is a fickle beast
11:27<anon6995>DephNet: when did anyone prove it was a hardware issue? They proved the iPhone was REPORTING a signal drop when you held your hand over the antenna
11:27<DephNet[Paul]>anon6995, you might want to go and look at independent sources
11:27<JshWright>anon6995: if no signal drop was taking place, how would the software know you were touching it?
11:28<JshWright>I doubt there is an API call for UserTouchingPhoneInBottomLeftCorner()
11:28<Solver>I underwtood there was _also_ a reporting problem but the signal drop was definitely real
11:28<JshWright>but maybe...
11:28<ssteinerX>JshWright: Apple software has feelings
11:28<DephNet[Paul]>anon6995, and if the software update fixed the problem, why did Apple need to give out free bumpers? Oh yes, that's right, they stopped you touching the aerial, ergo it is a hardware issue
11:29<anon6995>The software update did fix the issue for most people from what I've read
11:29<hobot>they straight out said its a hardware issue
11:29<hobot>hence free bumpers
11:29<DephNet[Paul]>anon6995, so why the need for free bumpers?
11:29<hobot>the software thing was them seeing if they could get away with just a software update imo
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11:30<DephNet[Paul]>hobot, course it was, Apple are the only company that think they can fix a hardware issue with a software fix
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11:31<anon6995>Theyve started coating the antennas in a plastic film pre-sale anyway
11:31<DephNet[Paul]>anon6995, more proof it is a hardware issue
11:32<hobot>not the only one, but we use fpga
11:32<DephNet[Paul]>if it was not, they would not need to coat it anything
11:32<Nivex>/j #iphone and ask those guys
11:32<DephNet[Paul]>haha, no ta, I dont want my IQ to be lower than it already is :P
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11:44<amitz>need a life excitement.
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11:44<amitz>new cellphone is not enough -_-
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11:45<rascal999>Swap: 262136k total, 262132k used, 4k free, 48004k cached -- I need more RAM don't I
11:46<JshWright>rascal999: pastebin free -m
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11:47<JshWright>either more RAM, or a better config
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11:47<JshWright>what are you running?
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11:48<rascal999>JshWright: lots of things
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11:48<rascal999>mysql db, mail server, apache with dozens of sites
11:48<JshWright>have you tweaked your Apache config?
11:48<rascal999>i'm looking into magento speed optimization because it was getting slow
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11:48<rascal999>JshWright: used a linode script for setup
11:49<rascal999>BashScript is it?
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11:49<rascal999>that's the one
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11:49<rascal999>i used the LAMP StackScript to get started
11:49<rascal999>now when i run aptitude it crawls along
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11:52<rascal999>will increasing the swap partition help?
11:52<@caker>it will make it worse.
11:53<rascal999>how can i see which processes are using the most space?
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11:55<cereal>why does the setup page suggest 32bit OSes?
11:55<cereal>is there a performance increase in using 32 versus 64?
11:55<tjfontaine>well that's kinda not what I was looking for
11:56<cereal>i'll look at it!
11:56<Daevien>tjfontaine: well it goesinto it some actually
11:56<tjfontaine>cereal: the basics are it uses more memory by default
11:56<tjfontaine>Daevien: ya but I wanted an in chan response
11:56<cereal>well yea, that I agree with
11:57<Daevien>basically, 64bit uses more memory upand for for people's needs, gives no benefit
11:57<tjfontaine>cereal: and you have to be doing some specialized work to really feel any of the performance gain you might see with 64bit
11:57<cereal>lots of my apps i write are targeted at 64 bit which is why I was wondering why they recommend against it
11:57<cereal>was hoping thats the only reason
11:57<cereal>instead of a setting in the host or what not
11:58<tjfontaine>that's the reason, everything defaults to 32 unless you know what you're doing :)
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11:58<cereal>yay! linode uses common sense
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12:00<Daevien>linode rules
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12:15<jonny5>anyone noticed a data burp in fremont?
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12:16<tjfontaine>nothing according to the oftc fremont node
12:16<Daevien>it was jsut caker passing gas
12:16<Deadpan110>was it my fault? ...i been drinking
12:16<jonny5>probably facebook pooping into the tubes
12:17*jonny5 clears tubes
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12:19<Daevien>it was probbaly jed's porn collection being backed up
12:20<Deadpan110>Oh no! ...I have found a lost baby goat on Farm Ville!!
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12:21<jonny5>crops withering
12:21<Daevien>Deadpan110: that's caker's, he was looking for that
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12:28<hachi>is dallas missing right now?
12:29<linbot>JshWright: [mtr] 20 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
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12:30<Solver>XKCD speaks the truth!
12:32<Daevien>yeah xkcd is pretty accurate on a lot of stuf
12:32<Justin_Hopkins>Yep, that comic was going around the web developers list here at
12:33<JshWright>Irony... 12:19 <@JshWright> I miss the days when XKCD was funny...
12:33<Justin_Hopkins>It wasn't long before someone chimed in with "I actually like the slideshow" blah blah blah
12:33<Justin_Hopkins>Not. Missing. It. At. All
12:34<Daevien>most of my close friends that i hang around these days are web developers so sent tha tone to all them :p
12:35<Daevien>their explanation of course is that it must have been someone besides the developer makign teh choice on what was there :p
12:36<cereal>so question....
12:36<cereal>on the front page it says Linode 768 has 300GB of transfer
12:36<cereal>but on the Network Summary page says 270
12:37<cereal>am I missing something?
12:37<stan_theman>bandwidth is prorated from the day you start
12:37<Justin_Hopkins>Sounds like you're missing about 30G
12:37<hawk>cereal: First month?
12:37<cereal>oh ok that makes sense
12:37<cereal>yea it is my frist month
12:37<cereal>you guys are tricky heh
12:37<stan_theman>heh :)
12:37<cereal>not that I mind
12:37<Daevien>stan is quick typing today, drank extra coffee today? :p
12:37<stan_theman>cup 3!
12:38<cereal>get anothre!
12:38<stan_theman>i have to actually finish this one first :P
12:39<@ericoc>stan drinks whole pots of coffee by himself
12:39<Daevien>now the good thing about it all cereal, is tha tif you need to you can grab another node for a couple days, close it down and get the rest of the month back as credit on yoru account. so it only costs you a couple bucks
12:39<paul_uk>hey all, in the case of wanting to switch distros, its just a case of deleting what you have and then installing another one?
12:39<cereal>very similar to slice host
12:39<stan_theman>paul_uk: mhm
12:39<cereal>i'm moving off them :)
12:40<dr_jkl>buildity build build build.
12:40<Daevien>lot of people are. it was somewhat close for comaprison then caker bumped up the ram and made all the slicehost people cry and clients move over :p
12:41<Daevien>paul_uk: yeah, get yoru data off the node then shut it down and delte it in the control panel then redeploy
12:41<paul_uk>Daevien, cool, thought so but just wanted to check
12:41<cereal>they used to be similar when I signed up...but I'm getting double the stats now here than at slice
12:41<cereal>and less corporate overlord feelings too
12:42<cereal>I was expecting something nifty from rackspace lol
12:42<cereal>but that didnt happen
12:43<Justin_Hopkins>corporate overload --
12:43<Daevien>plus linode benchmarks that i've seen are al better than slicehosts
12:43<Justin_Hopkins>It's the graphs. I love graphs.
12:43<cereal>graphs are nice
12:43<cereal>one less thing I have to do :)
12:44<Daevien>and my favorite thing to beat people over the head with when they really jsut want to argue.. is c'mon, google uses linode to do stuff even...
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12:45<cereal>aka they needed an ip that wasnt their own
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12:46<Daevien>yeah but still, when google picks a company to use for sometihng, most people that can't see the other reason why linode rules will get starstruck by the mention of google + linode ;)
12:46<cereal>lol yea
12:46<cisco77>hi. Question: Where can I see the name of the DNS server for linode in admin panel? I need it to point the domain name to linode hosting
12:46<cereal>where did you buy your domain name from?
12:47<cisco77>not sure,
12:47<cisco77>a client bouht a domain but I need to put it on linode
12:47<anon6995>Log in and then hit 'DNS Manager'
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12:47<@caker>cisco77: ns[1-5]
12:47<Daevien> up to if thats what you mean? but you need to set what dns the domain is using with whatever company the odmain was registered through
12:47<nacht>hello #linode
12:47<nacht>it's been a while
12:47<anon6995>the name servers are,,,, ,
12:48<@caker>there is no <---
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12:48<hawk>The is a lie!
12:48<@mikegrb>mmm cake
12:48<Daevien>the cake is a lie too!
12:48<sm>morning all. Just upgraded client's linode to 4G and am thinking to increase postgres shared_buffers from 28MB to, I guess, 512MB. Do I need to echo NUMBER > /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax for this ? and configure that at boottime somehow ?
12:48<hachi>the caker is not a lie though
12:48<cereal>caker, where are each of those hosted from?
12:48<tjfontaine>sm: sysctl.conf
12:48<cereal>diff dc's?
12:48<hawk>cereal: Yes
12:48<cisco77>so if i use one in london I should put ?
12:49<sm>tjfontaine: I see, thanks
12:49<@caker>cereal: of course. Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and London
12:49<@caker>cisco77: you want to use all of them.
12:49<cereal>I'm already happy with my switch, all thats left is actually moving the data, services and DNS
12:49<cereal>aka everything lol
12:50<hachi>do you guys get reports of machines going down with no messages at all?
12:50<hachi>no oom, no oops, no panic
12:51<@caker>what kernel WERE you running?
12:51<dr_jkl>box just goes 'screw you, i'm going on strike'
12:51<Daevien>hachi: yeah all the itme. usually it's oom and hte person just didn't check :p
12:51<hachi>I'm looking at the console
12:52<@caker>hachi: that's a fairly old kernel -- you should reboot into "Latest Paravirt 64 bit"
12:52<Daevien>cisco77: once you go linode, you don't go elsewhere :p
12:52<hachi>I can, but I'd still love to know what xen claims the state of the machine to be... it was stable for like a year on dallas 72, and after a move to dallas 303 I barely got a month of uptime
12:53<hachi>I'll reboot after trying to diagnose this failure more
12:53<Daevien>why the move to diff dom0? i'd imagine it was cause somethign changed, either load or what you were running.. so more factors than just the dom move prob
12:53<hachi>how can I send a sysrq to the console?
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12:54<@caker>hachi: lish
12:54<@caker>hachi: do sysrq 9 first, too -- so crank up kernel logging level
12:55<hachi>that' swhat I was trying to do, but I couldn't get a command line in screen
12:55<hachi>I'm used to :break
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12:56<@caker>hachi: control-a d
12:56<@caker>hachi: control-a d <- detach from screen to get back to Lish's command prompt
12:56<hachi>yeah, I'm getting it now
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12:57<hachi>it's a little confusing to be in screen and have no response to ^A : though, so I was thinking I wasn't in screen
12:57<hachi>thanks :)
12:57<Daevien>caker: not flying over jed's house and tormenting him today?
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13:00<hachi>no kernel response at all, but lish still claims the machine is 'running'
13:00<hachi>is there a way for me to see the xm status of the thing?
13:00<@ericoc>running just means it's not powered off for the most part
13:00<@caker>hachi: running.
13:00<@caker>hachi: just rebooted it and be done with it.
13:01<@caker>that kernel is very old, and the newest one has proven itself to be very stable
13:01<@caker>hachi: you want the "Latest Paravirt" pointer from here on, I suggest.
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13:07<hachi>urrrr, waiting on host
13:08<hachi>ok.... now the reboot took, and the shutdown is waiting on host
13:09<dr_jkl>the perl module i was going to use technically violates google's eula.
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13:09<dr_jkl>i'd have to use a google apps account.
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13:25<sgcummin>dr_jkl: what module?
13:31<dr_jkl>it violates the gmail eula
13:31<dr_jkl>but not google apps standard/premier
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13:33<MTecknology>I get this from doing this --> sudo -s /bin/dash -n -H -u -i -- yes y | /usr/local/sbin/drush/drush -r /jail/home/ -l up
13:35<dr_jkl> guess i just need a free google apps account lol
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13:36<MTecknology>somebody should fix it for me :D
13:36<Nivex>MTecknology: how much are you willing to pay?
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13:37<sgcummin>dr_jkl: ah yea, I do that as well
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13:57<paul_uk>hey all, in terms of setup and maintenance whats the best route to go with an email server? pretty much all I have is a few counts which need to send email to my users and get the odd email and I guess for future, i'd like to have my own admin module in php being able to open up the admin mailbox.
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14:00<hawk>One question worth asking is whether you actually want to maintain a mail system yourself at all... But I guess you have already asked yourself that?
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14:02<paul_uk>hawk: yeah and I already am with google apps but they impose a limit of 500 outgoing emails each day. So thats out. I have thought about going with zimbra but then Im unsure about the ability to plug into php.
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14:41<linbot>New news from forums: Random extreme disk I/O spikes and maxed out memory in General Discussion <>
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14:45<loxs>folks, is it OK to ask for support here?
14:46<loxs>or is it better to fill a ticket?
14:46<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
14:47<loxs>ok, I'll fill a ticket, as my question is too specific (my machine hangs up)
14:49*jeremyb wonders why loxs isn't telling the channel...
14:49<jeremyb>if you're typing it up for support anyway you can type it for us
14:49<rubydiamond>guys I am astonished by this
14:49<rubydiamond>200GB Quota, 23GB Used, 177GB Remaining
14:49<jeremyb>if it's long then you can pastebin
14:49<rubydiamond>who is using my network bandwidth
14:50<loxs>well, my machine just hangs up for periods from several seconds up to a minute (or more)
14:50<rubydiamond>23GB in 5 days
14:50<loxs>websites stop responding, ssh sessions freeze, my nx session freezes
14:50<loxs>and I am by no means out of resources
14:50<rubydiamond>anybody from linode here?
14:50<loxs>150 RAM of 510 used
14:52<jeremyb>rubydiamond: yes there are linode staff here
14:52<rubydiamond>jeremyb: hi..
14:52<jeremyb>(not me)
14:53<jeremyb>loxs: do you have any performance monitoring running?
14:53<rubydiamond>jeremyb: can you name one.. I can ping him
14:53<loxs>jeremyb, well, if a htop session opened counts for performance monitoring :)
14:53<mdcollins>rubydiamond, I'd suggest using a tool like iftop to see what kind of traffic is being sent and received and on ports..
14:53<jeremyb>rubydiamond: you can try but i have no idea who's around. IRC is typically not instant response
14:54<jeremyb>loxs: i meant something recording history so you can go back and look at the relevant periods
14:54<rubydiamond>mdcollins: is there any library article about it
14:54<loxs>no, I don't have such a thing set up
14:54<jeremyb>loxs: distro?
14:54<mdcollins>!library iftop
14:55<mdcollins>boo :(
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14:55<jeremyb>loxs: never used gentoo... look for a sysstat or sar package
14:56<dr_jkl>mmm systat
14:56<loxs>jeremyb, hmm, seems like it's some kind of disk issue. I just asked my package manager to search for these packages and machine fozen again
14:57<mdcollins>Nothing there, but a google search should give some info.
14:57<loxs>ok, I'll fill in a ticket
14:58<jeremyb>loxs: looks like it is called sysstat ( )
14:59<loxs>yeah, I'll install it. If I magage to do it between freezes :0
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15:00<Daevien>loxs: check out the lish console as well, might show you something else
15:00<jeremyb>yes, definitely try lish
15:02<loxs>lish freezes too
15:02<loxs>I mean, maybe lish doesn't freeze, but my machine freezes there too
15:02<Daevien>hmm, odd. what kernel are you using, pvgrub one? or an older one of the linode ones maybe? coudl try using the latest paravirt one for 32/64 depending on what you have
15:03<rubydiamond>mdcollins: hey I see
15:03<Daevien>loxs: the other thing could be netowrk trobles between your connection and the linode, try using mtr?
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15:03<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
15:03<rubydiamond>mdcollins: do you smell something there do you smell something here
15:04<dr_jkl>!mtr-fremont > dr_jkl
15:04<linbot>dr_jkl: [mtr] no host given
15:04<dr_jkl>oh right
15:04<loxs>Daevien, I'm using the latest paravirt kernel
15:06<loxs>hmm, I just received a message that my machine will be migrated
15:06<loxs>anyone knows what does this mean (why is it)?
15:06<jeremyb>maybe the whole host is having issues?
15:06<Daevien>oh were you runnign UML still? ie: really old linode? or maybe the server you are on is having probs, not sure
15:06<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
15:06<rubydiamond>I am not accessing sites but showing sites
15:06<Daevien>so right now you jsut have non employees heh
15:07*jeremyb didn't know they ever did UML
15:07<mdcollins>rubydiamond, looks like at that time, there was some traffic being received.. but when the window was open it was a total of 23Mb..
15:07<Daevien>was long time ago jeremyb, think most (all?) have been migrated now
15:07<rubydiamond>mdcollins: did not get you
15:07<loxs>yeah, that was the case
15:07<rubydiamond>mdcollins: okay..
15:08<loxs>the whole host is having problems
15:08<loxs>I'm moving
15:08<rubydiamond>but mdcollins, who is accessing so much of data
15:08<loxs>Linode rocks again :)
15:08<rubydiamond>on my slice
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15:08<tjfontaine>itym node
15:08<Guspaz>I think you mean
15:08<jeremyb>rubydiamond: is this http?
15:09<mdcollins>rubydiamond, for each of the 3 columns to the right it shows the rate of traffic at 2 seconds ago, 10 seconds ago and 40 seconds ago.. At that time, the top host was transferring the most data.
15:09<jeremyb>you may want to gzip/deflate...
15:09<mdcollins>err, traffic was being received from that host*
15:09<rubydiamond>mdcollins: it's really weird to see that someone is using my slice
15:10<rubydiamond>mdcollins: yeah .. looks like traffic is being received.
15:10<rubydiamond>mdcollins: anybody using my slice as socks proxy ????
15:10<mdcollins>You may need to show ports with either D or S
15:11<Daevien>did you give anyone else access to your account / linode rubydiamond?
15:11<mdcollins>I believe S would be the port on your end. See what service they are using.
15:11<rubydiamond>Daevien: nope
15:13<rubydiamond>mdcollins, Daevien here is the new screnshot with S
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15:15<rubydiamond>mdcollins, Daevien do you see any smell with new screenshot ?
15:16<rubydiamond>looks like this ip is google
15:16<rubydiamond>has google ppl hacked my slice
15:16<linbot>squircle: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS15169; ASN owner: Google Inc.; ASN reg: 2000-03-30; Abuse contact:; Net owner: Google Inc.; City: Mountain View; State: California; Postal code: 94043; Country: US;
15:17<jeremyb>< tjfontaine> itym node
15:17*jeremyb points rubydiamond to tcpdump...
15:18<rubydiamond>jeremyb: I use eth0
15:18<rubydiamond>what tcpdump command should I type
15:19<Daevien>do you use adsense or analytics from google? could be that. coudl be indexing spiders..
15:19<rubydiamond>Daevien: hmm
15:19<Daevien>what all do you have on yoru slice, maybe you got linked from a high traffic site.. there are tons of options
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15:20<rubydiamond>Daevien: did not get you..
15:20<rubydiamond>I have and
15:21<rubydiamond>Daevien: is traffic real or is it fake and someone is accessing my slice wrongly
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15:22<Daevien>since none of us have access to your slice and you aren't doing the instructions others asked (i wasn't really talkign with you on your problem too much, was talkign wiht someone else) we really don't know
15:22<MJCS>do you think it would be a bad idea if I bring my tablet pc to a programming interview and bring some notes with me on it?
15:22<Daevien>heh i know jed. but he insists on callign that, trying to use whatever terms he knows :p
15:22<ohkus>how about just vps
15:22<path>or node
15:23<@jed>that's like calling a coke a carbonated beverage
15:23<Daevien>or server
15:23<ohkus>node typically refers to the host node a vps is on
15:23<ohkus>and server is typically that...a full server
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15:23<mdcollins>rubydiamond, At that time there was next to nothing for traffic. I'd suggest monitoring it periodically and see what port is being used.
15:23<@jed>while our coke is like their pepsi, ours has a different formula in places, plus different other it just tastes better
15:24<@jed>hence, it's a Linode. you can get a VPS anywhere, but a Linode only lives here!
15:24<jeremyb>how does it taste better?
15:24<rubydiamond>mdcollins: any quick thing that I can try now
15:24<rubydiamond>btw => 0b 305b 401b
15:24<rubydiamond>what that means
15:24<jeremyb>and is there wine too or just cheese?
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15:24<ohkus>jed: so I guess we would call gigenet's cloud Don Perignon
15:25<jeremyb>( was fun)
15:25<Daevien>hey jed, do you have join & parts turned off in your irc?
15:25<@jed>can't, I'm opped
15:26<Daevien>ah. i was trying to make you see what host i'm using now but you didn't seem to notice the subtle hints :p
15:26<@jed>oh, I noticed
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15:26<@jed>rolled my eyes pretty hard too :>
15:26<mdcollins>Without the traffic, I have no idea whats being used..
15:28<Daevien>i was bored, felt like buying something and foudn it was availble so figured i could get a reaction out of you too :p
15:28<rubydiamond>mdcollins: is there any quick tcpdump command that I should try
15:28<Daevien>no idea what else i'll use it for heh
15:28<rubydiamond>Daevien: are you asking to me
15:28<Daevien>no, not you rubydiamond
15:29<rubydiamond>anybody from linode here
15:29<linbot>New news from forums: GMail suddenly considers forwarded email from my domain spam in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
15:29<rubydiamond>seriously need help
15:29<@jed>rubydiamond: with? I'm an employee...don't have a heck of a lot of time, though
15:30<Daevien>ruby, you have peopel tryin gto help you but you arne't doing what they are asking. and linode is unmanaged so technically, they don't need to help you with this issue as it's something to do with the setup you have or you got a lot of outside traffic all of a sudden
15:30<mdcollins>rubydiamond, there's no way to look at previous traffic. The only thing right now is to try to catch it when its being used and see what service(s) are being used.
15:30<Daevien>that beign said, they will msot likely try but you need to follow directions
15:31<rubydiamond>jed: heh. my linode used 23gb of network in 5 days
15:31<@jed>how can I help?
15:31<rubydiamond>mdcollins: I get that
15:31<rubydiamond>jed: I am seeing smell there
15:31<rubydiamond> I don't use my slice that much
15:31<@jed>you're seeing smell?
15:31<rubydiamond>jed: yeah
15:31<@jed>I have no idea what you're saying
15:31<@jed>this traffic is unexpected?
15:31<rubydiamond>jed: I mean.. how can that much of bandwidth getting used in just 5 days
15:32<@jed>quite easily
15:32<@jed>I've used double in a day
15:32<azaghal>Very easy
15:32<Guspaz>That's a rather small amount of bandwidth to use in five days.
15:32<rubydiamond>also need to find out what is causing my linode to use that much network
15:32<rubydiamond>Guspaz: nope
15:32<rubydiamond>it's huge..
15:32<@jed>no, it really isn't
15:32<Guspaz>A typical $30 linode can use up to 50GB of bandwidth in that period without going over its cap.
15:32<rubydiamond>Guspaz: I had slicehost slice running same apps and it used to use < 10GB a month
15:32<Guspaz>I've had months where I was close to my cap where I used like 100GB in two days.
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15:33<rubydiamond>Guspaz: I don't have such famous apps
15:33<@jed>rubydiamond: so you're inferring that the different platform makes you use more bandwidth?
15:33<rubydiamond>jed: nope
15:33<mdcollins>It may be a jump in traffic for you, but comparatively it's a small amount.
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15:33<rubydiamond>jed: basically need to find out what program is using my network
15:33<@jed>you've been told how to do that, no?
15:33<Daevien>like i said, chances are you got linked somewhere, so you got new traffic
15:33<rubydiamond>or is there anything like socks proxy or something..
15:33<rubydiamond>jed: no.. I don't know how to find that out
15:34<@jed>is your network graph inbound and outbound exactly the same?
15:34<Guspaz>Heck, I regularly consume more than 23 GB in a single day on my DSL lines, and I've got a monthly cap like most people in Canada.
15:34<@jed>i.e., is the blue line directly on the green area?
15:34<Guspaz>Jed is very direct.
15:34<rubydiamond>Daevien: I just saw nginx access lots and found that
15:34<rubydiamond> - - [05/Aug/2010:00:55:54 +0530] "GET /facebox/loading.gif HTTP/1.1" 304 0 "" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv: Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8"
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15:34<rubydiamond>coming most often
15:34<rubydiamond>jed: let me check network graph
15:35<azaghal>Guspaz: I have 512kbps/512kbps here... Not even theoretical chance to use that much :)
15:35<Guspaz>I've bonded two 5056/800 lines with MLPPP.
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15:35<Guspaz>The lines are capable of much more, but Bell is restricting what profiles wholesalers can use despite the CRTC (our FCC)'s orders.
15:36<jeremyb>< jeremyb> rubydiamond: is this http?
15:36<jeremyb>< jeremyb> you may want to gzip/deflate...
15:36<@jed>that's interesting traffic
15:36<rubydiamond>mdcollins, jeremyb, Guspaz, Daevien
15:36<rubydiamond>jed: I hope so
15:36<@jed>they cannot see that link, rubydiamond
15:36<@jed>it requires your cookie
15:36<Guspaz>We can't view your graphs like that. Well, maybe Jed can.
15:36<Guspaz>Jed is Special.
15:36<@jed>I, on the other hand, have ways
15:37<@jed>rubydiamond: use ntop and find out who is sending you that traffic
15:37<rubydiamond>jed: let me share again
15:37<rubydiamond>jed: I just used iftop
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15:38<@jed>the only traffic I see going to your machine is you on SSH
15:39<jeremyb>jed: he got an IP earlier i think
15:39<rubydiamond>mdcollins, jeremyb, Guspaz, Daevien, jed now check
15:39<@jed> >
15:39<rubydiamond>jed: how did you know that it's ssh
15:39<jeremyb>jed: can you dump on the dom0?
15:39<jeremyb>port #
15:40<rubydiamond>jed: what does this mean >
15:40<@jed>I can see network if I'm looking for something specific, but I only look at headers when I'm doing this
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15:40<@jed>rubydiamond:'s port 80 is talking to your machine
15:40<rubydiamond>jed: it's Google
15:40<@jed>do you have cron jobs to download stuff?
15:40<rubydiamond>jed: does that mean Google guys are hacking my site for fun .. :p
15:41<@jed>no, since it's port 80 on their side, it most likely means you're requesting something from them
15:41<rubydiamond>jed: cron jobs to download ?
15:41<MJCS>well 15% of their time needs to be spent on pet projects
15:41<rubydiamond>jed: nope
15:41<azaghal>rubydiamond: How did you protect your ssh connection?
15:41<azaghal>MJCS: Evil pets, I tell you!
15:42<@jed>rubydiamond: there's something called an ephemeral port, which is how most operating systems pick a port to communicate when they initiate the connection
15:42<rubydiamond>jed: you are right
15:42<@jed>all the chatter I see your Linode doing with is coming from you, not them
15:42<rubydiamond>I run
15:42<@jed>again, I'm not looking at content, just inferring from the IP headers
15:42<rubydiamond>and I have a cron job set. which used to run every 15 minutes
15:42<rubydiamond>for debugging I had changed it to 1 mn
15:43*jeremyb runs away
15:43<jeremyb>really fast
15:43*rubydiamond dont run
15:43*jed ^C
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15:45<@jed>IRC needs a tada.wav
15:45<Nivex>there used to be a CTCP SOUND command
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15:46<Nivex>doesn't work too well if you are running irssi+screen on a remote server though
15:46<Nivex>and they use tada.wav downstairs to signal an incoming customer chat
15:46<Nivex>with the volume cranked to 11
15:47<rubydiamond>jed: btw can you explain what this line means
15:47<rubydiamond> => 532b
15:47<rubydiamond>in iftop
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15:47<@jed>do you recognize
15:47<@jed>because your Linode is talking to it on port 3999
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15:48<azaghal>Heheh, looks like bot takeover.
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15:48<@jed>Nivex: the IV machine that they had hooked up to my wife started doing tada.wav every 20 seconds when it ran out
15:48<rubydiamond>jed: I have setup znc on my linode
15:48<rubydiamond>and it's running on 3999
15:48<rubydiamond>how can it connect to
15:48<@jed>rubydiamond: well there you go!
15:48<Nivex>jed: that is totally the wrong sound for that :/
15:48<@jed>it isn't, is connecting to you
15:49<rubydiamond>jed: but that's my work mail address
15:49<@jed>Nivex: you can hit silence and it just wears off in 60 seconds, too
15:49<rubydiamond>how can they connect to 3999
15:49<rubydiamond>to my server
15:49<@jed>rubydiamond: beats me, that's your work mail connecting to your Linode on a server you set up
15:49<Nivex>"I'm out of life sustaining fluid. *TADA!*" so wrong.
15:49<@jed>I have no idea what the circumstances are
15:50<rubydiamond>jed: got it.. looks like IRC is open at my work machine..
15:50<rdela>hi setting up my first linode, a 512, wondering about this passage in the getting started guide: You don't have to assign all your available disk space to your Linode; you may wish to reserve space to allow for cloning a disk image or an entire configuration profile later.
15:50*jed goes back to cleaning
15:50<rdela>how many gigs should I reserve?
15:51<azaghal>Somebody should implement !tada :)
15:51<rdela>or should I?
15:51<@jed>linbot: alias add tada echo TADA!
15:51<linbot>jed: The operation succeeded.
15:51*azaghal hasn't
15:51<azaghal>You could increase disk allocation later on as well.
15:52<Karrde>what a useless alias
15:52<jeremyb>rdela: looks like i did 3GB
15:52<linbot>rubydiamond: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS17803; ASN owner: BSES TeleCom Limited; ASN reg: 2002-09-11; Abuse contact:; City: Pune; State: Maharashtra; Country: IN;
15:52<azaghal>Karrde: It saves typing!
15:52<azaghal>It doesn't :/
15:52<rdela>ok thanks azaghal + jeremy
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15:56<rubydiamond>linode guys why oftc and not freenode :+
15:57<MaZ->why not
15:57<path>freenode? it's not even like real irc
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15:57<path>their hostmasks are like foo=bar.something.weird
15:58<rubydiamond>ppl using irc just because freenode exists
15:58<azaghal>Not really. Freenode is more famous amongst the Free Software crowd.
15:59*jeremyb thought there was a decent amount of oper overlap between the nets
15:59<rubydiamond>azaghal: yeah.. that's why people use irc
15:59<azaghal>IRC has many uses, and I must say it's used the least for such stuff :)
15:59<tjfontaine>when lilo was alive he hated it when people called it an irc network
15:59<rickyd>freenode is for opensource projects only, no?
16:00<jeremyb>freenode has #slicehost and #dreamhost...
16:00<jeremyb>and ##windows even i think
16:00<rickyd>weird, didn't know that
16:00<tjfontaine>oftc and linode have a very good working arrangement at the moment
16:00<jeremyb>tjfontaine: are you a customer?
16:00<mendel>omg irc payola
16:00<Daevien>lol jeremyb
16:01<tjfontaine>jeremyb: for 6 or so years
16:01*jeremyb didn't even know linode was that old
16:01<tjfontaine>for nearly as long as oftc has existed linode has as well
16:01*mdcollins remembers looking at linode a few years before he signed up
16:01<jeremyb>well i didn't know oftc was that old either
16:02<tjfontaine>[08-04] 16:01:54 -NickServ( tjfontaine is currently online
16:02<tjfontaine>[08-04] 16:01:54 -NickServ( Time registered: Thu 27 Jun 2002 13:30:47 +0000 (8y 1m 7d 06:31:07 ago)
16:02<tjfontaine>it existed a few months before that
16:02<Daevien>tjfontaine = noah's great grand father
16:03*jeremyb guesses tjfontaine's in the northeast
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16:03<tjfontaine>what makes you say that
16:03<rubydiamond>tjfontaine: which country are you from .. I saw many tj*
16:03<tjfontaine>I'm from the .us
16:04<path>Made in U.S.A.
16:04<jeremyb>tjfontaine: being an early customer + TZ from your paste
16:04<jeremyb>linode is jersey iirc
16:04<tjfontaine>the TZ is UTC :)
16:04<tjfontaine>oh mine
16:04<tjfontaine>right :D
16:04<jeremyb>04 20:02:12 < tjfontaine> [08-04] 16:01:54 -NickServ( Time registered: Thu 27 Jun 2002 13:30:47 +0000 (8y 1m 7d 06:31:07 ago)
16:05<tjfontaine>I used to use UTC for that one too
16:05<tjfontaine>but it confused me
16:05<path>well, that explains your odd working hours
16:05<Daevien>my tz in irssi shows the same.. but i'm not in that timezone, just this linode is :p
16:05<tjfontaine>path: yes, I'm 3rd shift UTC :P
16:06<Daevien>tj has a neural interface to oftc servers
16:06<jeremyb>which ones?
16:06<tjfontaine>the grey ones
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16:13<paul_uk>hey guys, out of interest has anyone seen when apache serves a page like so: ?
16:15<MaZ->your page isnt being interpreted by php
16:15<@ericoc>uhh, that sort of looks like a php page was called and php wasn't installed
16:15<paul_uk>Maz, ericoc: yeah only thing is php has been installed
16:15<MaZ->well apache isnt using it :p
16:15<MaZ->for whatever reason
16:16<paul_uk>my fault for getting upset at rewriterules last nite, then wanting to go to lighttpd and then solving my problem yesterday.
16:16<MaZ->rage solves nothing! ¬_¬
16:17<MaZ->anyway, pretty hard to diagnose what exactly is causing apache to not run the pages via php without seeing configs :p
16:18<tjfontaine>rage solves zombies
16:18<MaZ->rage IS zombies, have you not seen 28 days later? :D
16:18<paul_uk>Maz-: yeah thing is I was getting the same result with a working config
16:19<MaZ->how are you using php?
16:19<MaZ->mod_php, fastcgi?
16:20<MaZ->and its enabled? :V
16:20<paul_uk>in php.ini ?
16:20<MaZ->in apache
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16:21<tjfontaine>MaZ-: thus solved.
16:21<paul_uk>Maz-: as in having LoadModule php etc ?
16:21<sgcummin>paul_uk: ubuntu
16:21<tjfontaine>Missing Zombies? Have some rage.
16:22<paul_uk>sgcummin, no thanks, fedora here
16:22<tjfontaine>ha ha
16:22*tjfontaine doesn't even try
16:22<sgcummin>that's not the current problem, but
16:22<MaZ->paul_uk: a2enmod iirc
16:22<sgcummin>try sudo a2enmod php
16:22<sgcummin>or what
16:22<sgcummin>whatever they use =p
16:22<sgcummin>not sudo
16:24<paul_uk>theres no a2enmod and nothing comes up in google, i'll ask in fedora in freenode
16:25<MaZ->you're using apache2 right?
16:25<MaZ->(please say yes)
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16:40<L7>Right so, hopefully not repeating a million questions, my server just went down, I haev a Failed boot, titled 'Lassie initiated boot'. And a scheduled migration. I take it this is happening all over?
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16:41<L7>Tried to manually boot
16:42<L7>'Xen Config '/linodes/linode33001/xen.conf' not found'
16:42<@jed>L7: you should have an open ticket - update it and we'll have a look
16:42<@jed>that's not happening all over, it's one host
16:42<Daevien>there was an issue with a linode server earlier and some nodes were being migrated i think, i'd say check your email but let me guess, it's on yoru linode? ;)
16:42<L7>Haha, nah it's not, no emails either though
16:43<L7>Wish I had, would've backed up, I'll open a ticket
16:43<@jed>you should already have one open
16:43<L7>Yeah just found it
16:46<azaghal>L7! Isn't there some kind of micro-kernel called like that
16:47<Guspaz>Layer seven is the application layer.
16:47<azaghal>Hm... I think there was some micro kernel too...
16:47<azaghal>Ah, L4
16:47<L7>I have no idea, I chose it because it looks like a square
16:48<Guspaz>I was going to say, my external memory (L7) has no recollection of an "L7" kernel :P
16:48<L7>jed, updated my ticket, thanks
16:48<Guspaz>I meant, my external memory (wikipedia)
16:48<azaghal>Guspaz: Look for L4
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16:53<chaiju>newbie -here
16:53<chaiju>hiya all
16:53<chaiju>looking for some assistance on clean url setting in linode for drupal
16:54<azaghal>chaiju: You need to enable mod_rewrite for Apache
16:55<azaghal>Then, during the installation, Drupal should detect it's available and offer you to enable them.
16:55<azaghal>Or, if you had already installed it, you can go through the configuration options to enable it.
16:55<azaghal>You'll also need to setup the AllowOverride thing.
16:55<chaiju>it is still greyed out for me
16:55<chaiju>I did the enable mod_rewrite
16:55<azaghal>Did you restart the Apache? (not reload, restart)
16:56<chaiju>and the AllowOveride in apache2.config
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16:56<chaiju>yeah....i am rebooting the server now in the hope that works
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16:56<azaghal>Hm... Did you setup AllowOverride All for the necessayr directory?
16:56<azaghal>Restarts of entire servers never help :)
16:57<chaiju>just to be sure...i did it to all AllowOverride
16:57<azaghal>Which distro?
16:57<chaiju>ubuntu 10
16:58<azaghal>Hm... There was something funky with Ubuntu 10 and httpd, just can't recall what.
16:58<azaghal>To get Clean URLs working in Ubuntu 10.04, you need to uncomment and change the value of RewriteBase in the htaccess file in your drupal folder to '/drupal6':
16:58<azaghal>sudo sed -i 's/# RewriteBase \/drupal/ RewriteBase \/drupal6/' /etc/drupal/6/htaccess
16:58<azaghal>From the wiki of Drupal on Ubuntu?
16:59<azaghal>Although, that's probably for the apt-get'ed Drupal.
16:59<chaiju>ok i will try that
16:59<chaiju>thanks azaghal
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17:00<chaiju>now u are worring me
17:00<azaghal>Maybe your Apache doesn't have write permissions to write the .htaccess
17:01<chaiju>when in doubt 777 all the way
17:01<azaghal>Not really...
17:01<azaghal>chown -R www-data.www-data
17:01<tjfontaine>DEATH TO 777
17:02*azaghal hates the 666/777'ers
17:02<azaghal>Once I see someone doing stuff like that, I usually know I don't want them anyone near my servers :)
17:03*Guspaz hates the 419ers
17:03<chaiju>lol i can safely say you do not want me near your server
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17:04<chaiju>ok i go to bring down my own empire
17:04<chaiju>thanks again azaghal
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17:28<KingTarquin>How can I have an rdns giving 1 ip, but my ip is something completely different (on my home connection)
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17:40<mtx_init>Hey guys, I set my /etc/resolv.conf and it was fine for a few days, then I came back today and it was changed back to the linode default.
17:41<@caker>your dhcp client did that.
17:41<mtx_init>ive never seen that before. How can I stop it
17:41<squircle>tips on blaming linode: don't blame linode
17:41<@caker>you either need to tell it to stop doing that, or switch to a static networking config (and kill off the dhcp client process) (and reboot to make sure you did the config properly)
17:41<@jed>purge dhcp from orbit
17:42<JshWright>nuke it from orbit
17:42<JshWright>(it's the only way to be sure)
17:42<mtx_init>idk what that means
17:43<Nivex>movie reference
17:43<DephNet[Paul]>KingTarquin, te person that set up your rDNS is a fool
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17:43<KingTarquin>Its only just started happening after they changed my rDNS from blueyonder to virginmedia
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17:44<DephNet[Paul]>KingTarquin, new IP? in the Virgin Media range
17:46<KingTarquin>DephNet[Paul]: I don't call myself an expert, and I've never claimed to know anything about DNS. I've never actually had time to to sit down and learn anything.
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17:50<DephNet[Paul]>KingTarquin, then i suggest you take some time out to lean
17:50*DephNet[Paul] wanders off
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17:51<DephNet[Paul]>err, learn
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17:59<jmstacey>I just upgraded from Ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 LTS. Everything went smoothly except for arno-iptables-firewall which is now causing all sorts of pain. From searches it seems to be the new paravirt kernel. Is this kernel absolutely required for 10.04 or can I switch back?
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18:01<chesty>you need the paravirt kernel, perhaps you could explain what problems you're having
18:03<jmstacey>chesty: Here's the forum link:
18:04<jmstacey>That's the exact problem I'm having and where I picked up the tip about the new kernel
18:04<chesty>it's not a kernel problem, it's the configuration of arno that's the problem
18:05<jmstacey>Is the exact problem known? I haven't been able to find too much searching yet.
18:06<jmstacey>It throws those errors when purged and installed out of the box, so there's no custom rules of mine that are causing a problem.
18:06<chesty>pastebin the whole error messages
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18:08<jmstacey> It's essentially the same as the one referenced on the forums
18:09<Jippi_mac>Whats special about paravirt kernels ?
18:11<chesty>jmstacey # CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_DSCP is not set
18:12<chesty>and CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_DSCP is not set
18:12<chesty>ie the linode kernel doesn't have modules compiled in that arno seems to needs
18:13<chesty>you could ask linode to add them
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18:15<jmstacey>I'll send off a ticket and give ufw a whirl in the mean time
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18:31<saikat>if i have a single linode and i want to hit my linode's nginx service and to hit a different service (Node server) on my linode, is this possible without setting up a reverse proxy on my server? the problem is that my node server is doing websockets, which nginx doesn't play nicely with
18:31<saikat>and i don't really want to go through the trouble of setting up haproxy, since it doesn't even seem like it always works with websockets
18:32<saikat>can i somehow setup my linode to listen to two ips, have and go to the two different ips, and have node listen to one and nginx to the other?
18:32<bliblok>If you get an extra ip.
18:32<squircle>your third statement: yes
18:32<saikat>is this something that people do? or is this a stupid solution?
18:33<saikat>to my problem
18:33<squircle>guilty (yes, i do)
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18:38<squircle>linbot: Error: (111, 'Connection refused')
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18:39<squircle>weird; redirects to
18:39<squircle>i always thought it was just an example address
18:40<Randomskk> is the example address
18:40*caker is setupppping
18:40<squircle>Randomskk: exactly (so is .net and .org); but microsoft insists on using in their books
18:40<Randomskk>what does contoso mean? and why do you want microsoft books?
18:41<squircle>Randomskk: no idea what contoso means, and all the microsoft training books use (as well as sample publications and stuff)
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18:41<Randomskk>well there we go
18:42<linbot>squircle: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS8075; ASN owner: Microsoft Corp; ASN reg: 1997-03-31; Abuse contact:; Net owner: Microsoft Corp; Country: US;
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18:45<linbot>squircle: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS7018; ASN owner: AT WorldNet Services; ASN reg: 1996-07-30; Abuse contact:; Net owner: AT WorldNet Services; City: Milwaukee; State: Wisconsin; Country: US;
18:45<squircle>(i've often wondered why i do all these lookups in #linode instead of PMing linbot)
18:50<Eman>ugh i hate email
18:51<Eman>box with its hostname being a cname -> sendmail is ignoring the system's hostname and using the address of the cname as its from address
18:52<TheJoe>Speaking of sendmail
18:52<TheJoe>I run Postfix / courier, and because I'm stupid, apt-get'd sendmail
18:52<TheJoe>So my mailserver's broken now.
18:52<TheJoe>lol hang on. It's probably not running.
18:53<squircle>my linode is in the same datacentre as dslreports? :O
18:53<squircle>i'm honoured
18:54<squircle>speaking of which, there's a weird 500+ms delay between toronto & chicago on bell's network... odd
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19:04<TheJoe>What's the "proper" way to go about reading a gzipped logfile? I've never had to do it before.
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19:05<@ericoc>TheJoe: zcat?
19:06<TheJoe>That did it, thanks
19:06<TheJoe>Will have to remember that one
19:06<dr_jkl>it might be gzcat in some places
19:06<@ericoc>there's some other ones like zgrep, zless, zmore, zdiff, zcmp, etc..
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19:08<TheJoe>Well that was less than helpful. I still don't know what's broken in my mailserver
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19:16<TheJoe>I run postfix
19:16<TheJoe>Then do reload
19:16<TheJoe>I'm told it's not running
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19:26<dr_jkl>and now my perl script has a nifty five-line disclaimer.
19:27*paul__uk golf claps
19:28<TheJoe>Why is it that postfix is running, but cannot be reloaded because it's "not running"
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19:29<Eman>anyone see my air conditioner on hackaday? :D
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19:31<werther>hi, does anyone can help me with "radiant cms" setup?
19:32<werther>I can login to the admin :
19:32<werther>but the front page got 500 error
19:34<MarkJ>I'm in the group that's only used PHP CMS'. The website looks like it's quite user-friendly
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19:35<sirpengi>TheJoe: probably missing the file where the running pid is stored
19:37<TheJoe>sirpengi: Where should that be?
19:37<sirpengi>TheJoe: I'm assuming you're trying to restart it using an init script?
19:38<TheJoe>Also: The reason this is all happening is because I fucked up and apt-get'd sendmail
19:38<sirpengi>just kill the process manually and then start it again with the script
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19:39<TheJoe>Sendmail, despite being removed, is still running
19:39<TheJoe>I can't kill it
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19:40<sirpengi>yay for ubuntu
19:40<sirpengi>with sufficient permissions you should be able to kill any process
19:41<TheJoe>Well, yeah
19:41<TheJoe>It's done
19:41<sirpengi>unless there's some supervisor respawning it
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19:43<TheJoe>Whoo - successful reload
19:44<TheJoe>Aug 4 23:44:18 ranger postfix/proxymap[9767]: fatal: dict_open: unsupported dictionary type: mysql
19:44<TheJoe>We have an error now
19:45<TheJoe>I was previously using MySQL for the mail db
19:45<TheJoe>I don't know what the sendmail install would have done to fuck with that though
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19:47<pjammer>Has business quadrupled since Heroku's wonkiness?
19:47-!-rb [] has joined #linode
19:48<pjammer>and linodes, do you have any affiliation to : Amazon or Rackspace?
19:48<tjfontaine>say what?
19:48<tjfontaine>Linode is a privately held company
19:48<pjammer>yeah but the arch/hardware is all in "their own" for lack of a better word datacentres
19:49<pjammer>they don't just hire a spit load of ec2 images and market it as linode.
19:49*pjammer is just checkin...
19:49<tjfontaine>they generally lease space in datacenters, the servers and network equipment after the drops from the DC is all operated by linode
19:49<pjammer>like men!
19:49<pjammer>i love it.
19:50<tjfontaine>we love Linode.
19:50<tjfontaine>and it's employees
19:50<pjammer>I've used them 3 yrs, 2 yrs and 1 year ago, but never stuck.
19:50<rb>I'm tweaking my fw -- in verbose/debug mode -- and noticing lots of ports scans of my linode from single IPs in China. the fw DENYs as expected, no problem there. but ... at what point does Linode sysadm need to know about these scans? Only @ DDOS levels? b4?
19:50<pjammer>i am now diversifying my portfolio.
19:50<@Perihelion>We love tjfontaine.
19:51<TheJoe>I hate my mailserver.
19:51<tjfontaine>rb: you should always be aware as a system administrator
19:52<pjammer>Is updating RAM easy? i.e., little to no down time and no moving of images?
19:52<paul__uk>rb: yeah I get a lot of that and also alot of hits to judge.php, /admin or even /phpmyadmin hits
19:52<TheJoe>pjammer: You press the 'reboot' button
19:52<TheJoe>pjammer: That's it
19:52<tjfontaine>pjammer: add it as an extra and then reboot
19:52<tjfontaine>pjammer: or upgrade to the next package and then a small intra-dc migration happens
19:52<rb>tjfontaine: Sure -- *I* prefer that for myself ... but just asking whether @Linode 'mgmt' wants to be pestered by it.
19:53<@Perihelion>We'd just tell you to send an email to the IPs abuse@ and firewall it most likely
19:53<tjfontaine>rb: I would say only notify them [if they haven't noticed] of a DDoS or if it's a linode ip doing the scanning
19:53<rb>that's fair ...
19:55<rb>Perihelion: hah! sure ... the admins @ the Chines ISP are *really reponsive!
19:55<pjammer>can i pick data centres for further diversification?
19:55<@Perihelion>I've had decent luck with chinanet
19:55<tjfontaine>pjammer: yes, subject to availability, you can place a linode in any datacenter
19:56<@Perihelion>pjammer: Of can also migrate between them
19:56<tjfontaine>any of the 5 datacenters
19:56<pjammer>nice. thanks men.
19:56<TheJoe>35 SMTP AUTH failed with the remote server. (state 8).
19:56<TheJoe>* 535
19:56<tjfontaine>and Perihelion we thank you too :P
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19:57<@Perihelion>I'm used to being called a man. :(
19:57<tjfontaine>that doesn't make it ok
19:57<tjfontaine>unless you're trying to keep that under the radar
19:57<TheJoe>"535 SMTP AUTH failed with the remote server. (state 8)." <-- So, what could cause this?
19:58<tjfontaine>invalid configuration?
19:58<rb>Perihelion: Well, I'll give it another try (it *is* Chinanet), then. But will _depend_ only on the firewall. And will pester "y'all" iff reaches DDOS levels.
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19:59<@Perihelion>Nah, the worst that happens is people like Marius think they have a shot :P
19:59<tjfontaine>TheJoe: google says:
19:59<tjfontaine>Perihelion: ha
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19:59<@Perihelion>rb: You can request a null route if it gets bad or let us do it automatically if it starts to impact other people's service :3
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20:01<rb>Perihilion yep. "impact" is what I'm trying to avoid as "good citizen". Just don't have a good sense for what magnitude _matters_
20:01*rb spits at the bandwidth-sucking vampires ...
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20:03<TheJoe>I'm receiving mail now
20:03<TheJoe>Still not sending
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20:04<Deezire>What is wrong with Google Apps?
20:05<rb>Deezire: let me count the ways?
20:05<oru_work>can I ask something in Russian ?
20:05<Deezire>Letting someone else figure out what is wrong with the mail servers > life > *
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20:08<sirpengi>Deezire: hard to spam people using google app?
20:09<TheJoe>Not even using Google. It's a Courier setup.
20:09<Deezire>sirpengi: Point!
20:10<Deezire>If i ever were to run a mail server i would run something like allard mailserver.
20:10<Nivex>oru_work: You could, but I doubt anyone would understand you.
20:11<TheJoe>Deezire: I already have it setup. I'm not redoing it.
20:11<TheJoe>I was an idiot and apt-get'd sendmail. Because I was tired and I thought it would be useful.
20:11<TheJoe>It has fucked up more than I imagined.
20:11<TheJoe>I do not know what it has fucked up.
20:12<TheJoe>But I do know now that I'm receiving email. But still not sending.
20:16<avenj>stop. install postfix.
20:17<TheJoe>It is installed
20:17<avenj>oh, I thought you were fussing with sendmail.
20:17<Deezire>Or you could hire a chinese guy to manually telnetting to random mailservers and send them?
20:17<TheJoe>No, that's what caused postfix to mess up
20:17<Deezire>Just my five cents.
20:17<TheJoe>I was an idiot and installed it
20:18<avenj>ah, I gotcha now
20:19<TheJoe>Right. Narrowed it down to an incorrect password. It's not incorrect, though.
20:19<TheJoe>So sasl is messing up here
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20:37<SelfishMan>ha ha ha google wave is dead
20:37<@Perihelion>I never really liked it
20:37<SelfishMan>neither did I
20:39<TheJoe>Speaking of which:
20:39<TheJoe>"Somewhere there's a right wing homophobic Google Wave user who's having the worst day of his life."
20:39<SelfishMan>I don't get it
20:39<TheJoe>Proposition 8 also got dropped today
20:42<SelfishMan>wait, was prop 8 the one where you were for being against it?
20:43<TheJoe>It's the Californian law prophibiting same-sex marriage. I'm not Californian nor gay, I'm against it, though.
20:43<Deezire>SelfishMan: Then you have no idea. SAP is incorperating it into their products. It's going to be big in corprate.
20:43<SelfishMan>TheJoe: That's what I thought. I seem to remember it being horribly worded to confuse people.
20:44<TheJoe>Something like that
20:44<SelfishMan>Deezire: Hard for it to be "big in corporate" when it is being completely dropped
20:44<Deezire>where do you read this?
20:44<pjammer>it's all over
20:44<SelfishMan>I have my sources
20:44<pjammer>twitter is abuzz
20:45<SelfishMan>I refer to them by the code name of "teh interwebs"
20:45<Deezire>Nothing official as i can see
20:45<Deezire>they even dropped a major update a few weeks ago?
20:45<ssteinerX>"We don’t plan to continue developing Wave as a standalone product, but we will maintain the site at least through the end of the year and extend the technology for use in other Google projects."
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20:46<pjammer>this implementation was lame.
20:46<ssteinerX>other than that, it's still going strong ;-)
20:46<pjammer>only cool thing was when you chatted with someone at the same time. but most people used it like an email/message board i found.
20:46<Deezire>In other words they are doing what they should have done years ago. Dropping it for mainstream users and let corporations implement it in their systems.
20:47<pjammer>it's just one less venue to talk to the same people on
20:48<SelfishMan>Deezire: nah, they will scrap it like they have done with so many other products and will keep some of the useful parts
20:48<SelfishMan>but I highly doubt they will still make it available in any form
20:48<straterra><3 google
20:48<straterra>One of my favorite companies
20:48<SelfishMan>On the plus side, Google Wave had a longer life than the Microsoft Kin
20:49<straterra>Dunno why..the kin looked rather cool
20:49<tjfontaine>strat drives a chick car
20:49<Deezire>SelfishMan: uhm, you can download the entire source code, so everyone can in essense setup a wave.
20:49<@ericoc>did the microsoft kin ever even come out?
20:49<tjfontaine>ericoc: for a half min
20:49<@ericoc>i remember it being talked about, is it gone already?
20:49<Deezire>And as far as i know SAP is working hard on it.
20:49<SelfishMan>Deezire: I bet that will disappear at some point too
20:49<pjammer>it's in their name...SAP
20:49<Deezire>SelfishMan: Last firm i worked for was implementing it
20:49<Deezire>so no
20:50<Deezire>As long as there is people using it, it will exist.
20:50<Deezire>With people i actually use coorperations.
20:50<tjfontaine>libobby is way saner than wave anyway
20:51<tjfontaine>well I guess it's libinfinote now
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20:53<tonyyarusso>obby/infininote is awesome.
20:53<tjfontaine>I've been trying to sell people on the idea for years
20:55<tonyyarusso>The Ubuntu community uses it extensively.
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20:56<tjfontaine>what it really needs [and may exist] are some semantics to attach DVCS to it as well
20:58<tjfontaine>though I suppose they consider that a client/consumer issue
20:59<tonyyarusso>You could always hook up incron.
21:01<tjfontaine>not the same thing though, being able to start a session with a git url and hash ...
21:02<tjfontaine>then work offline for a bit and push a bundle to the group to catch up
21:02<tjfontaine>use gits builtin semantics for merging
21:04<straterra>I don't drive a chick car anymore
21:04<tjfontaine>what do you drive?
21:04<straterra>a 2008 Eclipse SE
21:05<tjfontaine>why would you lie to me? :)
21:05<@Perihelion>Didn't you have like a miata or something before?
21:05<tjfontaine>celica? :P
21:06<straterra>I had an Eclipse before that
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21:09<@ericoc>is there any defined, written set of rules that make a car a chick car?
21:09<tjfontaine>ericoc: if strat drives it.
21:10<straterra>I just added my own aux in port though..and it looks very nice
21:10<@ericoc>straterra: do you drive a 2005 volkswagen jetta at all. need to make sure i'm safe
21:10<straterra>That's my project car
21:10<@ericoc>oh no
21:10<@ericoc>does it being TDI affect it's girlyness?
21:11<@ericoc>i think TDI should give it manly points
21:11<straterra>TDI is for losers
21:11<@ericoc>but it gets such awesome mileage
21:12<straterra>But its diesel
21:12<@ericoc>diesel is a manly fuel :p
21:13<straterra>I guess
21:14<@Perihelion>volvos use it too
21:14<@Perihelion>so...your argument is fail
21:14<tjfontaine>I <3 My Volvo
21:14<straterra>I <3 vulva
21:14<tjfontaine>your vulva?
21:17<avenj>my mother owns a '03 xc70 or whatever it is
21:17<avenj>quite the boat
21:18<tjfontaine>98 S70
21:18<avenj>I actually like the S70
21:18*tjfontaine too
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21:19<JoeK>tjfontaine: what services does oftc use?
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21:19<tjfontaine>JoeK: home grown
21:19<Yaakov>She is, unfortunately, dead.
21:19<avenj>the XC70 is just too much of a barge, in decent show it handles approximately like a fat man on an ice rink
21:19<avenj>maybe shows too, I dunno.
21:19<tjfontaine>avenj: heh
21:20<avenj>my rwd/4wd 02 sportage does much better in 2wd than her awd xc70 :\
21:20<@Perihelion>how did she die
21:20<tjfontaine>Perihelion: it was a sad story :/
21:20<Yaakov>A minor collision drained the value from her.
21:21<tjfontaine>Yaakov loved her dealry
21:21<Yaakov>She was totalled.
21:21<Yaakov>But it was just because the world didn't appreciate her.
21:21<@Perihelion>i want a challenger :3
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21:22<Yaakov>She was beautiful and fast.
21:22<Yaakov>Also, luxurious.
21:22<Yaakov>Oh well.
21:22<spkitty>i want a car i dont have to spent £500 on tomorrow
21:22<spkitty>(when the car itself is worth £600)
21:23<@Perihelion>I don't even drive...:>
21:23<Yaakov>I only paid $4800.00 for her, so about 1000/yr, including maintenance.
21:23<Yaakov>Good night all.
21:24<tjfontaine>Yaakov: great huge love
21:29<squircle>do any canadians/americans know what forms I have to fill out to import stuff I bought in Buffalo back into canada?
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21:30<@Perihelion>depends on what it is i suppose
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21:30<squircle>i bought a BBQ through an american company, and it's sitting at a warehouse in niagara falls, i'm assuming i'll have to pay tax & duty on it
21:30<rb>squircle: Once you've been in Buffalo they let you back into Canada?
21:31<squircle>rb: it's amazing, isn't it?
21:31<rb>rather bad judgement, imo. i can say thi, having lived in Buffalo ...
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21:33<rb>squircle: How many Niagara Falls sno-globes you trying to smuggle back?
21:33<squircle>rb: i can get those on the canadian side of the falls; no need to smuggle those
21:33<squircle>it's kinda hard to smuggle a barbeque that takes up 80% of the room in your vehicle
21:34<squircle>"i had it when I came to the states, officer"
21:34<squircle>just won't cut it
21:34<rb>you could paddle it across the lake ...
21:35<squircle>too much work
21:35<squircle>and I'd need a boat
21:35<rb>not if the BBQ is big enuf ...
21:36<squircle>i'd rather keep it in the box
21:36<rb>ah. that's differen then!
21:37<squircle>the last thing I want is to run into the US/Canadian coast guard
21:37<squircle>that'd look bad
21:37<rb>squircle: Ya had to go to Buffalo for a grill? Isn't the loonie, like, ==$4US now?
21:38<rb>The Guard are all at Tim Hortons .... not a problem
21:38<squircle>rb: not really; $1.02CAD = $1USD or something, and it was $1400 cheaper to buy it in the 'states
21:38<squircle>do they have tim hortons in the 'states now?
21:38<rb>$1400? How freakin' big is this thing? At that size, just put an engine in it and drive it across ...
21:39<rb>squircle: Honestly not sure. Depedns -- did we complete the Annexation of Toronto yet?
21:40<squircle>rb: apparently there are tims in the 'states. kinda sad really; i live a 10 minute walk away from the first tim horton's ever.
21:40<squircle>rb: and as far as I know, we've still got toronto
21:40<rb>rb: Rats! Yonge Street was kinda nice ... anyway. Memories -- Tim Parts! mmmm. Dooooonuts.
21:41<squircle>Yonge Street is the longest street in Ontario (maybe Canada)
21:41<squircle>yep, longest street in Canada
21:42<squircle>apparently, longest street in the world
21:42<squircle>1,896 km
21:43*rb refuses to play trivial pursuit, canadian version with squircle
21:43<squircle>do they even have that?
21:43<squircle>i'd buy it
21:43<rb>they give em away @ TimParts with a Bakers Dozen, I think ...
21:45<rb>squircle: lol! TrivialPursuit is a Canadian invention ->
21:46<squircle>it's weird how the stereotype is the canadians love doughnuts, but Krispy Kreme tried to come to Canada and failed miserably
21:47<squircle>now there's only one left
21:47<rb>squircle: One donut? they did ell, apparently ...
21:47<rb>er, well
21:47<squircle>rb: one store :P
21:48<rb>All the "other Canadians" around here argue that KK's were *NOT* "real donuts". "Pansy/liberal yeast-raised abominations ..." iirc.
21:48<squircle>they're pretty poor attempts at doughnuts, I must say
21:49<rb>squircle: Yeah, they're really only tasty when warm/fresh -- don't do too well at Hockey games ;-)
21:50<rb>oops. another stereotype?
21:51<rb>cuz, I've *seen* "your peeps" on ice skates. a lot. i'm just sayin'
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21:53<squircle>i absolutely cannot find any information about importing this barbecue
21:53<squircle>then again, the CBSA is so much nicer than the US CBP
21:54<squircle>the CBP officer in Detroit couldn't understand why we were going to watch the 2009 (2008?) stanley cup final game in Detroit when Toronto *clearly* has an NHL team
21:54<squircle>on the way back, we drove up, the license plate was photographed, and we drove away
21:54<squircle>40 minutes vs 40 seconds
21:54<linbot>squircle: Your current monologue is at least 6 lines long.
21:54<rb>squircle: Not here?
21:55<HoopyCat>i feel bad about crossing into canada; i've interrupted CBSA officers from magazines or telephone calls more often than not
21:55<squircle>rb: I even called the CBSA. it seems like if you're not a business, you just declare it to the CBSA when you cross back into canada, go into a building and pay
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21:55<rb>sounds abt right ...
21:56<rb>squircle: Just out of curiosity -- where's the last Canadian KK? Toronto?
21:56<squircle>rb: Mississauga (next city west of toronto) in the parking lot of a Future Shop in Heartland
21:56<squircle>(Heartland being a business community)
21:57<rb>HoopyCat: they're apparently all on the phone ordering BBQ's from "BarbecuesGalore" in the states .... $1400? really?
21:57<squircle>rb: the BBQ would've cost $2900 in Canada, got it for $1400 in the states
21:58<rb>squircle: Alas, I know Missisauga. Relatives. Mostly estranged. Unsure if it's BECAUSE they're in Missisauga. I stopped visiting after being trapped on the Q-way in some $*&^% ice storm. All 432 lanes closed. I live in CA, for god's sake .... ice?
21:58<rb>squircle: I have a $400 smoker I can fit half a cow in ...
21:59<squircle>rb: aren't there places to ski in California? (never heard the QEW as "Q-way" before lol)
21:59<HoopyCat>welcome to the rest of the world, where temperatures below 0 degrees C are not only possible but common and expected
21:59<squircle>!wx CYYZ
21:59<linbot>squircle: [metar] OBS at CYYZ: 80.6F/27C, visibility 12 miles, wind 4.60 mph (altimeter: 29.73) [CYYZ 050100Z 27004KT 12SM FEW160 SCT210 27/22 A2973 RMK AC2CC0 SLP064]
21:59<rb>squircle: No, we sold them to China to balance the budget. Just beaches, now.
21:59<squircle>and in the summer, temperatures above 30 degrees C are normal too
21:59<HoopyCat>!wx KROC
21:59<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 78.8F/26C, visibility 6 miles, wind 4.60 mph (altimeter: 29.74) [KROC 050054Z 25004KT 6SM HZ SCT080 BKN130 OVC180 26/22 A2974 RMK AO2 SLP066 T02560217 ]
22:00<squircle>rb: the CBC had an april fools prank a few years ago where they told everyone that the feds were towing some caribbean island off the east coast so we'd have a closer vacation spot
22:00<rb>squircle: QEW, Q-way -- butcha KNEW what I wuz talkin' abt the minute I said "ice storm", dincha?
22:01<squircle>rb: there are tons of highways; the Queen Elizabeth Way is the only one that starts with Q :)
22:01<rb>squircle: yeah, yeah. Ice-storm. Nuff-said.
22:01<squircle>speaking of QEW, is the Burlington Skyway still closed on friday mornings?
22:01<squircle>(my questions just keep getting more and more localized
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22:03<rb>HoopyCat: squircle Yup. And mosquitos the size of condors ...
22:04<HoopyCat>!library send-only
22:04<linbot>HoopyCat: 1. Send-only Mail Server with Exim on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) ( - 2. Send-only Mail Server with Exim on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) ( - 3. Send-only Mail Server with Exim on Debian 5 (Lenny) (
22:04<squircle>rb: it's not that bad this year actually, the delayed start to summer killed most of 'em
22:05<rb>lovely ... so it was 0deg til, what, mid-July?
22:07<squircle>rb: not quite
22:07*rb makes note to self. only live here ->
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22:09*squircle makes note to self, move here one day ->
22:11<squircle>i love that kind of weather
22:11<HoopyCat>rb: that's, basically, "a bit of snow"
22:11<squircle><3 winter
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22:11<squircle>HoopyCat, rb: it barely snowed at all last winter up here
22:11<rb>HoopyCat: Yes. How I miss that ...
22:12<HoopyCat>squircle: it didn't really snow all that much down here, either. just... a lot of snowfalls like that one, but only a couple in the "challenging" range
22:13<rb>HoopyCat: Iirc, that "bit of snow", when it melts, is the reason you had sump-pump issues back whenever, right?
22:13<squircle>HoopyCat: the problem on the north side of the lake was that as soon as it snowed, it would pour rain
22:13<rb>or dehumidifier, or some such
22:13<HoopyCat>squircle: which was a bummer, because the new snowtires lick the road like god's cat licking a rug
22:13<mwalling>no, the dehumidifier was to try and out do me
22:13<HoopyCat>rb: the dehumidifier is mostly for the summer. i, uhh, have dirty gutters.
22:13<rb>HoopyCat: What's a "snowtire"?
22:14<rb>HoopyCat: dirty gutters? Waaaay TMI ...
22:15<HoopyCat>rb: if you zoom in on that photo and enhance the tread pattern, it'll look like
22:15<rb>mwalling: You're a competitive dehumidifier-er?
22:15<rb>I was kidding ...
22:15<mwalling>rb: i had the twittering dehumidifier first
22:16<rb>HoopyCat: Lemme guess ... you lust after those tires with the metal studs stiking out of em?
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22:16<rb>mwalling: Is that infectious?
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22:16<HoopyCat>mwalling: watch out... i'm speccing out a IEEE 802.15.4 crock pot modulator, and will probably port the dehumidifier over to that too (since the xbee has ADC and DIO support)
22:17<mwalling>HoopyCat: damn
22:17<HoopyCat>rb: studded tires aren't legal in this state
22:17<rb>HoopyCat: do you build your crock pot modulator interface in Labview? Or do you 'man up' and code it in assembler?
22:18<mwalling>HoopyCat: i love how your choices were shit or a different kind of shit
22:18<mwalling>i'm fully aware of what labview is
22:18<mwalling>its shit
22:18<squircle>HoopyCat: I don't quite understand this whole dehumidifier thing; is it documented anywhere?
22:19<rb>mwalling: Many thousands of installations might have a different opionion -- but, different strokes
22:19<HoopyCat>rb: it'll probably be either a shell script (version 1, timer-only) or a python script (version 2, with meat probe support)
22:19<Daevien>lol coming back to mwalling saying he had the twittering dehumidifier first and rb asking if that is infectious made me laugh :)
22:20<rb>HoopyCat: Hm. I guess when one's buried under 123 feet of snow, one developes ... hobbies
22:20<HoopyCat>rb: nice thing about the architecture is that it is pretty much a modem... AT command set
22:20<HoopyCat>squircle: if i'm remembering my blog's URL format correctly
22:21<Daevien>just do the trigger hoopy, i forget what it is :p
22:21<rb>sigh. an entire generation of "youngsters" have grown up having no clue what an "AT cmd", or a modem for that matter, is. re-sigh.
22:21<linbot>mwalling: Now 53% full (about 1 hour remaining). Last emptied yesterday at 18:10 EDT, last full yesterday at 17:10 EDT after running for 30.2 hours.
22:21<Daevien>rb: i'm 32 today and i remember AT cmd and modems & stuff :p
22:21<rb>mwalling: really? you've got a bot cmd?
22:21<mwalling>no, thats HoopyCat's
22:21<mwalling>cant do that in labview!
22:21<rb>32? I have socks older than you are ;-)
22:22<mwalling>actually, you probably can, but it would be a mess
22:22<HoopyCat>note: the time estimates are whack right now... squirrel cage came loose
22:22<rb>mwalling: clearly, your Labview-fu is *badly* lacking ...
22:23<Daevien>i ran a bbs & did coding when i was like um 14, web hosting in 94, isp when i was 17, i was an overachiever when i was young :p
22:23<@Perihelion>It just got srs
22:23<HoopyCat>mwalling: ever looked at or whatever it's called?
22:23<mwalling>HoopyCat: no
22:23<HoopyCat>mwalling: i don't think anything could be shittier than that
22:23*caker needs moar beta testers
22:23<mwalling>rb: no, its right were it shoudl be
22:23<rb>Daevien: "ran a bbs"? date much? (btw, happy bday)
22:23<mwalling>HoopyCat: you didnt see MoranServ
22:24*Daevien starts to put his hand up then decides askign why caker needs victims woudl be a good thing to ask first
22:24<Daevien>rb yeah, thats when i ran then, was on them earlier heh. and thanks
22:24<HoopyCat>mwalling: is so shitty, pylint gave it a negative score
22:24<HoopyCat>p.s. for the record, linode started as a BBS
22:24<@caker>Daevien: check invites
22:24<@caker>HoopyCat: pretty much.
22:24<mwalling>HoopyCat: good one
22:25<rb>HoopyCat: you'll note they don't market that fact very heavily ...
22:25<Daevien>mostly causde as you said before, the younger generation woudl go wtf is a bbs?
22:25<Nivex>who here remembers RIPscrip?
22:25<HoopyCat>Nivex: blurrrgh
22:25<Daevien>um, was color graphcis i think Nivex ?
22:26<Daevien>liek loading gifs or sometihgnliek that on the fly-ish?\
22:26<Nivex>more like drawing primitives
22:26<Daevien>ah. i remembered it had sometihgn to do with graphics & that it was a pain, about all i immediatley remembered
22:26<HoopyCat>didn't prodigy use something drastically similar?
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22:31<Daevien>prodigy. scary reference
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22:33<rb>Daevien: They're still around know? Big ISP in Mexico now?
22:34<OpenBluntSurgery>hi linoders i signed up yesterday =)
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22:35<Daevien>rb: really? same cmpany? or just same name?
22:35<Daevien>welcome OpenBluntSurgery
22:36<rb>OpenBluntSurgery: Welcome! New users get to choose: (a) Welcome to Disneyland! (b) Abandon all hope, ye who enter. But seriously, a fun, helpful, somewhat odd crowd in here.
22:36<rb>Daevien: seems the same ->
22:37<eadams>hi OpenBluntSurgery
22:37<OpenBluntSurgery>nice :) ill lurk here..
22:37<eadams>I signed up 2-3 weeks ago and it's pretty badass so far
22:37<eadams>really cool community
22:37<OpenBluntSurgery>best vps system ive seen
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22:37<@Perihelion>The staff are awesome too
22:38<rb>( OpenBluntSurgery shoulda picked the BLUE pill! )
22:38<chesty>except for caker, he's always high
22:38<rb>Perihelion: Really? who knew?
22:38<OpenBluntSurgery>rb: A
22:38<Daevien>o/ Perihelion
22:38<eadams>I haven't had to deal with the staff yet because shit is spot on
22:38<eadams>so I don't even know ;)
22:39<rb>eadams: Have you turned it on?
22:39<eadams>rb, of course, it's running my production webservers right now
22:39<rb>just checking ...
22:39<eadams>I do know quite a lot about what I'm doing though
22:39<@Perihelion>o/ Daevien
22:40<@Perihelion>chesty: high in the clouds, perhaps
22:40<@Perihelion>He's clouder afterall
22:40<eadams>I had some scripts I'd already tested on virtual machines locally so I could quickly roll out a production server
22:40<eadams>I really like the hypervisor stats and stuff here
22:41<OpenBluntSurgery>I feel like a baby, It's been so long to dev a server without something like cPanel..
22:41<OpenBluntSurgery>im used to running easyapache and bam its ready to go
22:42<rb>OpenBluntSurgery: do you know abt yet?
22:42<OpenBluntSurgery>nope ill take a look
22:42<Daevien>stackscripts make it really easy to do a basic setup that you can then modify to yoru exact needs if you dont want to take the itme to do everything by hand
22:43<OpenBluntSurgery>haha i can make an image and save it
22:43<Daevien>ie: there's a basic LAMP setup a lot use
22:43<OpenBluntSurgery>linodes r the shit
22:43<rb>not quite 'just "bam"'. more like, 'creak, wheeze, dammit "bam"'.
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22:50<OpenBluntSurgery>ugh anyone got bitlbee server working?
22:51<rb>looking for ext4 resizing support @dashboard. am i missing it, or _still_ n/a?
22:52<tjfontaine>I think it's best to stick with ext3 for now
22:52<jeremyb>@ ext3
22:52<tjfontaine>thanks :)
22:52<Nivex>btrfs will save us!
22:52<rb>tjfontaine: Whatcha mean "best"? Cuz not supported at Linode, or some philosphical arg against ext4?
22:53<tjfontaine>I mean, ext3 means you get all the linode goodies
22:53<tjfontaine>and ext4 is still kinda young
22:53<jeremyb>rb: because ubuntu shipping it isn't enough to mean it's ready
22:53<jeremyb>(as default)
22:54<rb>jeremyb: Oh come on ... I've been using ext4 on Opensuse for all production boxes for ages. Stable as a rock.
22:55<Nivex>given how long ext4 has been out, you have a strange definition of "ages"
22:55<mwalling>i use ext2
22:55<mwalling>ext3 is too new
22:55<mwalling>(i'm blatently trolling... just incase you couldnt tell)
22:56<rb>Nivex You consider a Dev 2008 _release_ recent?
22:57<tjfontaine>*especially* in filesystem
22:57<rb>Welcome to the Internet-age ...
22:57<rb>mwalling: Thx for clarifying ;-)
22:57<amitz>a bug that happens to 0.00001% user of a fs can be very detrimental to a lot of people.
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22:57<path>i still have a RHEL 3 box running.. i really need to upgrade it to RHEL 4 though. they are stopping updates in a couple months.
22:58<path>that is around 7 years old i guess
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22:58<path>i'm sure it's ext2
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22:59<mwalling>actually my eeepc runs ext2
22:59<jeremyb>rb: doesn't really matter how long you've been using it. i don't know you or trust you to QA it for me. you might be putting it through it's cases and testing edge cases and keeping lots of records or not. in any case you're just one user I wouldn't want to leave the QA all to just one person even if they were the best suited for the job in the whole world
22:59<path>i have some ubuntu 10.04 too though.. i think ubuntu pushes the limits (like the php 5.3 thing) and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
22:59<path>it progresses technology
22:59<jeremyb>rb: see also amitz above
22:59<path>it doesn't mean i need to jump on 10.04 as soon as it's released for production machines
22:59<jeremyb>5.3 thing?
23:00<path>php 5.3 shipped with lucid, but there are some compatibility issues with some packages
23:00<path>like drupal modules and sugar crm
23:00<jeremyb>are you attending dc10?
23:00<path>from what i've heard
23:00<rb>jeremyb: um, huh? what does what I choose to do have to do with whether you "trust me" or not?
23:00<path>so people are putting php 5.2 on using some ppa i think
23:01<jeremyb>rb: huh?
23:01<Nivex>I want to de-PHPify my vhost, but I'm not looking forward to writing my own gallery software in WSGI
23:01<jeremyb>path: heh
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23:01<rb>jeremyb: "rb: doesn't really matter how long you've been using it. i don't know you or trust you to QA it for me"
23:02<jeremyb>rb: where does "choose to do" figure in to that statement?
23:02<jeremyb>path: are you attending dc10 was directed at you
23:02<rb>um, ok
23:03<path>jeremyb: sorry, wasn't sure if you were talking to rb
23:03<jeremyb>np :)
23:04<rb>Perihelion: still abt?
23:04<path>jeremyb: maybe you have me mistaken for someone else?
23:05<amitz>rb: don't worry, it's just a matter of risk profile. Some people disagree with what you consider as safe, that's all :-)
23:05<path>just curious why i'd be there.. not that i wouldn't find it interesting
23:05<rb>amitz: who's worried?
23:05<jeremyb>path: i thought i'd seen you in relevant channels. not sure, maybe am confusing you
23:06<path>i'm going to say i'm the original path, but there could be others :)
23:07<path>i'm not in that many channels, so confusion is likely
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23:11<amitz>market name... that is a name that when you yell it on a market, someone is bound to say "yes?"
23:12<path>i guess given the number of people on all the irc networks, there may be some conflicts with four character nicks.
23:13<rb>hm mikegrb ping?
23:13<jeremyb>same net
23:14<amitz>OR... they thought path is used by so many people, you're the only path ;-)
23:15<amitz>which brings to another question, if I have a kid, should I name my kid a common name or unique name.
23:17<amitz>unique name is bad if future world do too much internet stalking, and/or supposing my kid has a propensity towards bad thinking unapproved by 1984
23:18<tonyyarusso>PHP 5.3 is fine - it's the other projects that haven't gotten with the program that are the problem.
23:18<path>i think a lot of people like unique names. my name is Pat and there are rarely two Pats in the same crowd.
23:19<path>at least in this area
23:19<encode>clearly your name is path, not Pat
23:19<blognewb>What's the next best thing to Linode...? i.e., shareed web hosts???
23:19<blognewb>is Hostgator still the best?
23:19<tjfontaine>path is clear?
23:19<tjfontaine>linode is the best.
23:19<encode>blognewb: pencil and paper.
23:19<tjfontaine>end all beat all
23:19<tjfontaine>the tits
23:19<tjfontaine>path: clearchannel?
23:19<blognewb>i am disappoint son
23:20<path>if you can't manage your linode, maybe you can find someone who provides shared hosting using linodes
23:20<tonyyarusso>PHP 5.3 was released over a year ago now.
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23:21<path>hey, i'm not defending those guys.. i'm just saying that ubuntu going with the latest tech is pushing people to fix their stuff
23:21<path>i'm sure they'll help work out any bugs with ext4 as well
23:21<amitz>path: which is good for debian :-D
23:22<tonyyarusso>ext4 has been working great for me too
23:22<rb>tonyyarusso: yeaj, good enough for production for lots of folks. including google.
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23:25<jeremyb>rb: ref for google?
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23:29<rb>Nivex: re de-PHP-ify ... keeping java around?
23:32<MarkJ>de-PHP-ify is what I want to do :p
23:32<MarkJ>But that's a huge project
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23:35<rb>MarkJ: picked your new stack yet? python? java?
23:37<tjfontaine>tonyyarusso: can you make the kernel team get their releases under control?
23:38<tonyyarusso>tjfontaine: unlikely
23:38<mwalling>not the answer path wanted
23:39<tjfontaine>we're gonna get drunk and prank them two times a week, but over really overloaded mirrors
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23:39<path>i can see once a week or once every few.. but i think there were two updates this week
23:40<path>which is kinda silly since there must have been pending stuff in the queue
23:40<tjfontaine>tonyyarusso: how about ftpmasters and kernel team get together so updates happen once in a 24 hour period?
23:40<tjfontaine>that switch is broken on my system
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23:41<path>i dunno, it might be easier for updates to get rsync'd a few at a time
23:42<tjfontaine>yes but they don't have to regen the manifests once in a 24 hour period
23:42<tjfontaine>*more than
23:44<path>well, you don't have to rush to upgrade
23:44<path>not like the updates are getting moldy
23:45<path>LOOK, now i'm sympathizing
23:45<tjfontaine>the problem is I'll do a distributed upgrade and then the bastard ftpmasters will regen with the new updates
23:45<path>well, i'll wait a day or two cause i know another is coming
23:45<path>then 6 hours later, BLAM kernel update
23:46<path>err 6 hours after i just get done updating
23:46*tjfontaine understands
23:46<tjfontaine>at least with debian I can smack DSAs and an ftpmaster that I know :)
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23:47<path>maybe you need landscape! :)
23:48<tjfontaine>I've thought about it, but the pricing is still more than I'm willing to fork out
23:48<tjfontaine>or at least when they used to publish it
23:48<tjfontaine>everything is all quotes now
23:48<path>yea, i talked to someone awhile back
23:48<path>but our money is tight too
23:49<tjfontaine>I mean, I can do enough with python-apt and django to make my own, kthxbi :P
23:49<path>i just use a shell script with fancy if statements and commandline args
23:49<jeremyb>i'll try to get some landscape pricing tomorrow
23:49<tjfontaine>I use dsh and a custom python script that reports packages
23:49*jeremyb is curious
23:50<jeremyb>but not seriously considering it atm
23:50<tjfontaine>jeremyb: see if they'll quote you in blocks
23:50<jeremyb>tjfontaine: erm?
23:50<tjfontaine>blocks of 10, 20, 50 servers
23:50<path>i think i asked that
23:50<jeremyb>(i mean in person)
23:50<tjfontaine>debconf this week right?
23:51<path>and i don't think there was any big difference until you got to the 50s
23:51<jeremyb>heading up there in ~10 mins
23:51<path>and i'm not going that high
23:51<tjfontaine>path: figures
23:51<tjfontaine>jeremyb: still a bunch of people whining it's in .us
23:51<path>but i think they have a satillite server type thing too??? i forget, it's been awhile.
23:51*ajmitch is whining that it's in the US just because it's far away
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23:52<maria>move here ajmitch
23:52<ajmitch>we need to have debconf in NZ
23:52<tjfontaine>the .de and .at folks I know were angry because of the costs to get through customs
23:52<path>i must sleep.. g'night
23:52<tjfontaine>path: <3
23:52<ajmitch>they don't get in on the visa waiver program?
23:53<tjfontaine>ha ha hydroxide is planning it? :)
23:53<ajmitch>jeremyb: I know, I know :)
23:53<tjfontaine>jeremyb: all kinds of broken links on that page
23:53<path>sorry.. i thought you had meant defcon10 earlier.. and i was thinking that just finished
23:53<jeremyb>tjfontaine: i think he did last year for choosing bosnia
23:53<path>ok, now Zzzzzz
23:53<jeremyb>tjfontaine: not so much this year
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23:54<jeremyb>tjfontaine: you know him?
23:54<tjfontaine>he's on staff
23:54<jeremyb>oh, right
23:54<maria>gnight path
23:54*jeremyb knew that
23:54<maria>we will miss you
23:54<@caker>wtf is up with this chasing mummies guy? .. what a dick!
23:54<maria>when the girl pissed herself?
23:55<tjfontaine>maria: you're suspicious
23:55<maria>"you will be punished"
23:55*tjfontaine registers nick and links
23:56<maria>caker: you have understand these are sacred places
23:56<maria>and it means a lot to him and to the people over there
23:57<jeremyb>tjfontaine: (complaining) not that i've seen. i think one guy changed his mind about that but had already made conflicting plans. but i think most people that didn't come haven't changed their minds. (I can't think of any problems with customs so maybe people that did come may complain less next time
23:57<@caker>this show can't be for real
23:57<maria>tjfontaine, whatever do you mean?
23:57<@caker>maria: they're not even near a site yet ...
23:58<@caker>yet, I continue to watch
23:58<maria>i watched it, he holds very passionate views
23:58<jeremyb>tjfontaine: re broken links, i saw one earlier. must be related to the export process (it's a cronjob). the one i saw earlier worked fine when i went to the one that requires a login (but no special privs)
23:58<maria>you should keep watching
23:58<@Perihelion>It may rot your brain
23:58<@Perihelion>Not in a good way
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23:59<tjfontaine>jeremyb: I just know ganneff was peaved about .us but he's generally cantankerous, and also ok re: images
23:59<tjfontaine>Perihelion: I shant be fooled
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23:59<maria>he just recently discovered that it wasn't slaves who built the pyramids doring this documentary
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23:59<@Perihelion>tjfontaine: wait what?
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