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---Logopened Mon Aug 09 00:00:40 2010
00:01<ohkus>caker: ping
00:02<MTecknology>I have mysql backups - made from mysqldump
00:02<MTecknology>I can't find the one I need :(
00:02<MTecknology>I'm really worried that it might be toast
00:03<qualiad>have a danish
00:04<MTecknology>qualiad: ?
00:04<MTecknology>1) I'm engaged and a long way away from any danish 2) I'm large enough thankyou very much
00:05<MTecknology>tonyyarusso: you know much about the planet?
00:05<tonyyarusso>uh, some?
00:07<MTecknology>tonyyarusso: meh.. my question is mute actually.. I was going to ask you about the internals but it wouldn't help me like i thoguht
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00:11*mecool hi
00:12<MTecknology>This really sucks...
00:12<MTecknology>I know EXACTLY when those backups took place.. I know EXACTLY what data should be in them
00:12<MTecknology>the only issue is... it's the exact data as what's there currently with the exception of some logs
00:14<MTecknology>wtf... I just wiped the whole database
00:15<MTecknology>there ... massive failure - that's more like what I expected - DB musta been cached that well :S
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00:17*mecool MeCooL Richard the Lion of Heart
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00:23*mecool Work Time
00:23*mecool brb
00:24<MTecknology>GAH! Openbox really knows how to piss me off.
00:26<MTecknology>kimi: My ISP keeps caching the WRONG information about this
00:26<MTecknology>Can you guys help me with my sanity?
00:27<MTecknology>dig A +noall +answer
00:27<MTecknology>Resolves to what IP?
00:27<MTecknology>Or this one? dig A +noall +answer
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00:30<MTecknology>kyhwana: that's what I thought.. the TTL just flew back up here and it's still
00:30<MTecknology>It's ticking me off...
00:30<MTecknology>I think it's time to call them
00:33<pwnguin>are there people who hack offline?
00:33<pwnguin>a, then it's a good call to let people know the loves hack online
00:34<MTecknology>pwnguin: hm?
00:34<pwnguin>a bad joke about misparsing domains
00:34<amitz>social engineering is an awesome "hack" method.
00:35<MTecknology>I'm going to try to call them
00:37<MTecknology>the issue is what I'm even going to say
00:37<MTecknology>their support is generally for customers - which I'm not
00:37<MTecknology>not in this case anyway
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00:42<MTecknology>heh.. it's just one of their servers - it keeps recaching the wrong data
00:49<MTecknology>wow.. this person doesn't really know exactly what's going on but she's making an honest effort and not trying to bs me too much. It took a little while but I think she knows that I know that she doesn't understand it but is keeping her best composure and I'm pretty impressed by it.
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01:03<MTecknology>I take it back... she's horrible to work with. She keeps trying to talk over me and tell me that because the DNS information is screwed up that it's because I have a DHCP address and she wants to explain how DHCP works.
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01:05<MTecknology>I think I just got put on hold until I hang up..
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01:14<srj55>can anyone recommend a lightweight email system ("MTA") as well as a group mailing list mgmnt system. I need a small setup with <10 inboxes with IMAP,POP3,SMTP protocol support. Don't need a fancy ajax web inbox front end.
01:16<MTecknology>srj55: mailing list - mailman
01:16<MTecknology>srj55: mta - there's a lot of options and combinations
01:17<MTecknology>courier, postfix, dovecot, etc
01:17<MTecknology>srj55: what OS you on?
01:18<srj55>ubuntu 10.04
01:19<srj55>also for mailing list: need to be able to admin lists via API through a django app
01:20<srj55>for mta, never set one up before. looking for most lightweight option for 3-5 inboxes..i suppose some type of spam control as well.
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01:22<Defenestrator>srj55: most of the things you're talking about are separate. For example, mailing list manager vs MTA vs web interface
01:23<Defenestrator>I don't know it very well, but Mailmain seems to be a popular one for mailing list management. Not sure about the API but I think it's got CLI tools and it's Python
01:23<Defenestrator>so you can probably make something work with Django
01:23<Defenestrator>for the MTA, go with Postfix
01:23<Defenestrator>probably Dovecot for IMAP
01:24<encode>i would recommend visiting howtoforge for a step by step guide
01:25<encode>for implementing dovecot, postfix, greylisting, optionally with virtual domains (will require a relational database such as mysql)
01:25<encode>you'll probably need a seperate guide for mailman
01:26<encode>probably best to avoid virtual domains, unless you can find a guide that includes mailman in the guide for postfix and dovecot
01:26<srj55>is citadel pretty bulky? seems to be a complete solution but maybe too much overhead.
01:30<encode>never heard of it, but all-in-one solutions tend to be pretty bulky
01:30<srj55>you said dovecot for imap, what about pop3?
01:31<randallman>dovecot for that too :)
01:32<encode>srj55: i'd start with the MTA first -
01:32<encode>then dovecot -
01:32<encode>then when you've confirmed that works
01:32<randallman>its pretty easy to get postfix up and running... Tuning it for anti-spam is another thing altogether :)
01:32<encode>mailman -
01:32<encode>then once you've got all that going
01:32<randallman>but it + spamassassin works pretty good outa the box
01:32<encode>look at postgrey
01:33<randallman>I cant afford to greylist at $work
01:33<randallman>some messages are critical delivery time :(
01:33<encode>which will stop a good percentage of spam, without the burden of statistical analysis
01:33<randallman>(which is entirely the wrong way to use e-mail of course)
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01:33<encode>randallman: postgrey includes whitelisting
01:33<encode>just whitelist the MTAs that you know will send time-critical email
01:34<randallman>I'd have a helluva time generating a list of all potential sources
01:34<randallman>s/helluva/damn near impossible/g
01:34<randallman>its a nonsequitor
01:34<encode>that's unfortunate
01:34<srj55>cool, i have a small linode VPS so I can't afford too much overhead for email...need the rest for django. so postfix, dovecot, spamassissan and/or postgrey.
01:34<encode>srj55: yep. Do the email stuff before django imho
01:35<encode>that way it's easier to start over if you scew it up
01:35<encode>randallman: if things are that time critical you can't do other tricks like have a non-responding MX record first
01:35<srj55>so do I need both spamasssan and postgrey? or can i just use one?
01:35<randallman>encode, that's correct :)
01:35<srj55>email isn't that time critical for me.
01:36<randallman>srj55, anti spam is like an onion :)
01:36<randallman>I dunno what your situation is
01:36<encode>srj55: i use both. But I have a fairly large linode. I'd recommend one or the other
01:36<encode>or even better, use google mail
01:36<randallman>but I'm wearing about 10 different anti-spam condoms :)
01:36<randallman>^^ this
01:36<randallman>encode's got the right idea for all but the most whacky of mail server configs :)
01:36<randallman>the days when running your own mail server was remotely fun... are over :)
01:37<srj55>could use google mail but its like $50/user/year isn't it?
01:37<encode>randallman: running a mailing list might be difficult in conjunction with google mail
01:37<encode>srj55: there's a free version
01:37<randallman>now its a dirty dance with a whack-a-mole mallet :)
01:37<randallman>encode: indeed :-)
01:37<randallman>Not sure what his uses are
01:37<encode>randallman: he did mention mailing list
01:37<srj55>but can the free google mail support your own domain name?
01:37<randallman>Perhaps Im being a bit too bitterly negative about the whole mail thing :)
01:38<encode>srj55: i don't remember in too much detail, but I think it supports a limited number of mailboxes for free with your domain name
01:38<encode>somewhere in the vicinity of 5-10
01:38<randallman>its just so bad these days... something like 95% of all mail is spam or other undesirable :)
01:38<encode>it's worthwhile at least investigating if your needs can be met by google mail
01:38<encode>and if they really can't, then look at DIY
01:38<srj55>hmm...will look into gmail possibly...but need to hook this into a mailing list mgmnt system
01:38<randallman>and the users.... dont understand how to click X :)
01:39<randallman>Yeah that's where it all falls apart, srj55
01:39<encode>noting that sending mail to yahoo and hotmail involves some careful consideration if you're going to DIY
01:39<srj55>encode: why is that?
01:39<randallman>I did SPF, but didnt do DKIM
01:39<randallman>I think I can get through :_)
01:39<srj55>their spam filters will block your mail?
01:39<encode>srj55: they're quite restrictive, to attempt to reduce the amount of incoming spam they have to deal with
01:39<encode>there are many hoops to jump through
01:40<randallman>its terrible out there... :) Like a giant hurricane of spam... 24/7 :)
01:40<randallman>and noone wants it
01:40<randallman>so they do unreasonable (sometimes) things to stop it
01:40<srj55>hmm...suppose i can tell my users to add my domain to their contact list?
01:40<encode>i get about 100 times as much spam directed at my mail server as legitimate email
01:40<encode>and that's not even that much these days
01:40<randallman>like the outlook client junk mail filters... they go too far, and are not effective at all.p..
01:40<randallman>Postini goes too far
01:41<randallman>lots of places just go too far ;)
01:41<srj55>gmail is starting to sound a lot better ;)
01:41<randallman>dude especially if you're running a mailing list
01:41<randallman>ugh :)
01:42<srj55>well its a mailing list to a select group of ppl paying for a service we provide (online classroom)
01:43<randallman>we have fun making sure our customers are whitelisting us
01:43<randallman>and sometimes they dont
01:43<randallman>MIND you, we're delivering notification of service of process
01:43<randallman>so if they dont get it, they have to wait 24 hrs to get a fedex package of the lawsuit
01:45<srj55>seems more critical than what i'm doing. want to send out periodic notifications to course members. not time critical, but don't want to be blocked.
01:45<randallman>Indeed :)
01:46<randallman>The best part, at least for me, is that its perhaps 1 in 10 times you actually find out a reason or root cause as to why your message was not delivered...
01:46<randallman>so you get to guess
01:46<randallman>and do research looking at the content of the message
01:46<randallman>and come to conclusions about why someone might think your message is UCE :)
01:47<srj55>that's way too much trouble for my liking. I think I will just make my users whitelist us and be done with it.
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01:57<jeremyb>randallman: like linking to a host in the PBL?
01:59<encode>UCE ?
02:00<encode>Unsolicited Communication, Electronic?
02:00<jeremyb>unsolicited commercial email
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03:03<linbot>New news from forums: Very impressed! in Customer Testimonials <>
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03:07<joni>any1 here ?
03:07*HedgeMage pokes linbot
03:08<HedgeMage>linbot: ask?
03:08*HedgeMage gives up
03:08<HedgeMage>joni: just ask...asking to ask is support leech behavior
03:09<joni>i was wondering how to install roundcube to the linode
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03:16*Marius yawns
03:24<Marius>Ahh, the glories of updating 100 joomla setups, with versions varrying so far as 8 versions ago >_>
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03:34*dcraig slaps marius around a bit with a large oil-covered sergeant major
03:35<Marius>I see
03:36<dcraig>don't worry
03:36<dcraig>I mean, it could have been a trout...
03:36<Marius>be happy?
03:36<Marius>isn't it "sargeant" ?
03:37<dcraig>I just cut and pasted from wikipedia
03:37<dcraig>so I don't really know
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03:55<linbot>New news from forums: About Users and Groups in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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03:59<geppa>Hello everyone. Is this the proper channel to kindly ask for help to diagnose a linode hang-up. I don't yet know if the problem is with my install or with the host so I'm thinking a support ticket might be unwarranted.
03:59<dcraig>sure, this is a great place to ask
04:00<dcraig>but it tends to get quiet in here this time of night
04:00<geppa>it's cloudy morning here in Spain :)
04:00<dcraig>does the rain in spain fall mainly on the plain?
04:01<geppa>no, not realy
04:02<geppa>anyway, anybody have any idea what these last three lines before silence in syslog mean:
04:02<geppa>hvc0 main process (2606) killed by TERM signal
04:02<geppa>cron main process (2069) killed by TERM signal
04:03<geppa>hwclock-save main process (7980) terminated with status 1
04:03<geppa>Kernel logging (proc) stopped.
04:03<geppa>sorry, that was 4 lines
04:03<dcraig>I don't have a clue, but I'm a novice
04:05<geppa>It's ok ;), I'll have a look at this window later, in case someone throws some suggestion my way
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04:07<hawk>geppa: Something killed your processes... oom?
04:07<geppa>no idea what though
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04:08<hawk>My guess was oom, is that plausible in your scenario?
04:09<hawk>(Any traces in dmesg?)
04:09<geppa>hmm... don't think so
04:10<geppa>about plausibility of oom...
04:11<geppa>last dmesg shows nothing to that effect
04:11<hawk>"last dmesg"?
04:12<geppa>I assumed u meant "/var/log/dmesg.0".
04:12<hawk>I meant dmesg output from the running instance where this happened
04:13<geppa>the current one has creation date today, at last reboot, problem was yesterday.
04:13<geppa>I couldn't connect to the hung instance anymore, had to issue reboot from the linode manager
04:14<geppa>I would assume everything that could, hit the log though... am I mistaken?
04:20<hawk>geppa: The file in /var/log probably only has dmesg output right after booting
04:20<hawk>IIRC that's what it has been on the distros I have worked with anyway
04:21<geppa>it seems that way, fs mounting is at the end of it... don't know where else to look for dmesg from before last boot though
04:21<hawk>What you want is the dmesg output through the moments where that happened
04:21<hawk>If you didn't save it, then it's gone
04:22<hawk>But eg /var/log/messages or something might have the stuff
04:22<hawk>Depending on syslog configuration
04:22<geppa>ok, for future reference, is there a way to do that from a seemingly hung instance? ssh timed out and lish was unresponsive to that linode's tty
04:24<geppa>those four lines from syslog I posted earlier are the last from before the problem, after that the linode went to ~101% CPU for a few hours, then CPU activity went back down, but the linode remained unreponsive
04:25<hawk>Not that I know of... but have a look at whatever files syslog may have been logging kernel messages to
04:25<hawk>In case there is something relevant that was logged before logging related things were killed
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04:31<geppa>did that... nothing else comes up, logs are filled with normal stuff for this server except for those four lines that appear (not all of them, but I summed up) in /var/log/daemon.log, kern.log, messages and syslog
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05:05<Marius>joomla, I hate thee
05:05<Marius>ok, uploading images goes slow and times out on this machine
05:05<Marius>it's in a domain, has no firewall etc on it, every other machine can upload just fine
05:06<Marius>anyone else have any suggestions as to what could be causing problems on this one machien and nothing else? O_o
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05:12<amitz>european, i hate thee. for releasing high denomination bank note.
05:13<amitz>my point is, you can always find a flaw to everything ;-)
05:14<encode>even with that statement
05:15<amitz>likewise :-p
05:19<amitz>Marius: new distro? new deployment? are you familiar with that time out bug haunting the buggy implementation of ipv6 resolver, r something along those lines?
05:20<amitz>of debian's family distro?
05:21<amitz>which is trivially solved by blacklisting ipv6 module and ordering your client to use ipv4 exclusively? btw, i'm shooting in the dark. it used to be my problem.
05:23<amitz>yes, i' bored atm.waiting for wifey going shopping.
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05:23<amitz>with dying battery -_-
05:23<praetorian>bye then
05:24<amitz>praetorian: i hate you :-)
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05:44<Marius>amitz: the problem is with windows 7 in a domain
05:44<Marius>something is forcing it to never complete uplaods if the filesize is above 180 kB
05:45<Marius>which explains quite a few issues they've been having, now we just gotta find out why it's doing that >_<
05:46<geppa>hawk: thank you anyway for trying to help, sorry for the delay, admining a lowly net of 20 something hosts is eating my morning :)
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06:37<amitz>Marius: things are fucked up...
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06:40<Marius>amitz: sure are
06:40<Marius>I take it it didn't work out?
06:40<amitz>Marius: it works up but everything come to a full circle.
06:42<amitz>I'm thinking about how I should tell the story.
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06:45<amitz>not really working up now that I think about it.
06:46<amitz>Marius: perhaps a few years from now I can tell you ;-)
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06:49<amitz>Marius: one thing for sure, this is one compelling evidence of why omitting job experience can be good.
06:50<Marius>omitting o_O
06:50<Marius>I thought that was a bad idea
06:51<amitz>Marius: why? ethically? or due to gap in experience continuity?
06:52<Marius>the experience gap
06:53<amitz>it might worth it, just take my word ;-)
06:56<Marius>when I got this job, not so much :P
06:57<Marius>Since it was my hobby experience with linux that landed me this job (I was liek "wat o_O" when it happened xD)
07:00<amitz>yes, I need a few years before people can take what I write lightly ;-)
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07:31<linbot>New news from forums: Linode + Ubuntu Netbook Edition + iTeleport + iPad = ? in General Discussion <>
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07:42<Tiven>hmm its like ufw isnt working :o
07:42<Tiven>i even added my IP on the deny list,
07:42<Tiven>and i still can access my server and everything
07:43<Marius>you sure there ins't an allow on you as well?
07:43<au>super marius
07:46<Marius>I know I am
07:46<au>the game
07:46<Tiven>yep Marius
07:46<Tiven>im trying to block an ip that is hammering the server
07:47<au>is ufw running?
07:47<au>bleh, never used ufw
07:47<Marius>ufw status
07:47<Marius>and show the output?
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07:57<HoopyCat>Tiven: you might want to insert the deny rule above the allow-anything-to-port-80 rule
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07:58<Tiven>i believe it puts them into order
07:58<Tiven>on its own
07:59<HoopyCat>Tiven: also, i suspect "ufw status verbose" might be a good idea to see the defaults (if you can connect via ssh, i bet you have Default: allow (incoming))
07:59<HoopyCat>Tiven: ufw insert 1 deny blahblah
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08:01<Tiven>Default: deny (incoming), allow (outgoing)
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08:01<Tiven>its deny in
08:01<Tiven>so i should make it deny out too
08:01<hawk>Is your linode inside out?
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08:02<HoopyCat>Tiven: ah, that's fine then. (wait, how are you connecting via ssh?)
08:03<Tiven>i have my port allowed
08:03<HoopyCat>Tiven: ah, you just left that line off. gotcha. :-)
08:03<Jippi_moc>Any ideas on how I can install munin from Squeeze rather than lenny apt source?
08:04<Marius>is iptables/ufw running ?
08:04<Jippi_moc>lenny is using a very old version of munin (not even newest stable)
08:04<Marius>ufw manipulates iptables after all, so if iptables is kapoofed...
08:05<HoopyCat>Jippi_moc: your best bet is to look for a backport
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08:07<HoopyCat>Jippi_moc: directly installing packages across releases doesn't always work out well, especially newer ones, so you'll want to get the package/version you want rebuilt against the release you have. (and yeah, lenny won't have the latest stable, and neither will squeeze once munin releases a new version. 'tis how distribution releases work. :-)
08:07<Daevien>lenny-backports still running an old version, only squeeze has new
08:07*Jippi_moc is sad :(
08:08<Jippi_moc>yeah, lenny-backports is wicked behind
08:08<HoopyCat>well then, fix it :-)
08:09<Jippi_moc>they are fighting about some changes in backports before they pop the new version i think
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08:11<linbot>New news from forums: Strange Disc I/O in Performance and Tuning <>
08:11<HoopyCat>on the ubuntu side of things, i usually have pretty good luck just changing the target release to hardy (or whatever) and sending it up to launchpad as a PPA... grab a sandwich, add the PPA, upgrade, and baby, you got a stew goin'. been awhile since i've done that so i'm rusty.
08:12<Jippi_moc>PPA ?
08:12<mwalling>personal package archive
08:13<HoopyCat>Jippi_moc: personal package archive... send a source package and it'll build it on the various architectures and put it in a standard location for you (and others) to get it
08:14<HoopyCat>mwalling: hardy whois still bitchy about 109/8?
08:14<Daevien>yeah but thats more for ubuntu, what will it do if he builds one there and tries to run it on his debian lenny? :P
08:15<HoopyCat>mwalling: nevermind, it is :-)
08:15<HoopyCat>Daevien: yeah, i'm just wondering if debian has something similar
08:15<Daevien>far as i know, no. could be wrong though
08:16<HoopyCat>Daevien: in reality, it just saves the build-the-binary-deb step in most common cases, but it is handy if you have a flotilla of machinery upon which you wish to bestow the goodness
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08:16<Daevien>sometimes you can get away with using ubuntu/debian repos on teh opposite, just prob not a good thign to do too much on a server
08:17<HoopyCat>... like my other remaining hardy box
08:17<HoopyCat>$ whois
08:17<HoopyCat>Unknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program.
08:17<Daevien>*cough* upgrade *cough*
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08:18<HoopyCat>Daevien: and it's as good as new :-)
08:19<Daevien>yeah til you have half your system running off ppas :p
08:20<HoopyCat>unrelatedly, it's probably a little early in the morning to be rattling the windows
08:20*HoopyCat rolls back the bass just a wee bit
08:20<Daevien>apartment or house?
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08:21<HoopyCat>Daevien: i'm not upgrading this box. if all goes well, next activity will be a reinstall for migration to new-wiki-platform
08:22<Daevien>ah thats rocwiki?
08:22<HoopyCat>Daevien: house. :-)
08:22<Daevien>house means crank it up:p
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08:23<HoopyCat>Daevien: yup... it is a production server, so thus i don't futz with it. too much.
08:24<HoopyCat>i only have three dev boxes and all three are for dev of other things :-(
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08:36<HoopyCat>random recommendation request: cheapest decent 802.11g (and maybe n) access point that works well as a standalone access point (bridging, not routing) and won't seize up under seige of bursty traffic
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08:39<Daevien>dlink has some, not sure how hard to find jsut a g, the N one is like $125 canadian brand new
08:39<vladgh>good morning
08:40<Marius>yay, halfway throgh my list of joomlas >_<
08:40<Marius>I really need to automate this one day
08:40<Daevien>marius how long does it really take to rm -rf joomla?
08:40<HoopyCat>Daevien: nothing i have currently supports n, so i'm not tooooo willing to pay extra for n, but if i get the cow while buying the milk for free, why not?
08:40<Marius>Daevien: if only I could =(
08:41<Daevien>prob wouldn't much diff between g & n unless you foudn g second hand
08:44<Daevien>think it' sthe dap-1522 that is that price btw
08:45<hawk>If it does simultaneous dual-band it'll cost a more, but something that just does g and n on 2.4GHz probably doesn't cost all that much more
08:45<Daevien>in any event, for dlnk brand stuff it will be dap-something models you'd be looking for, not sure on other brands. dlink is the primary thing we sell, linksys is the other hoice but most go with dlink
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08:47<HoopyCat>young linode, the subject, of sysadmin fantasy; she wants RAM so badly, knows what she wants to be; inside her there's swapping, this admin's an open page; apt-getting, she's so close now, this VPS has half the RAM
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08:47<Nivex>HoopyCat: what are you smokin' over there?
08:49<HoopyCat>Nivex: just putting the wa in iowait on a monday morning
08:49<Daevien>Nivex: cheap crack that caker dropped over his house
08:50<HoopyCat>don't swap, don't swap so, don't swap so hard on me
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08:55<HoopyCat>today i learned: "Mad World" is originally a Tears For Fears song and i've just been hearing covers all these years
08:56<HoopyCat>morning, chemosh!
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08:57<chemosh>HoopyCat: morning :) good day so far?
08:57<Tiven>leaving for holidays tomorrow
08:58<Tiven>and mobile internet is so expensive here :(
08:59<HoopyCat>chemosh: not too shabby. e-mail is triaged, laundry is sorted, about ready to kick it
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09:00<chemosh>HoopyCat: 2.5 hours and i'm done for the day ;)
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09:01<HoopyCat>chemosh: i am conveniently located many timezones to the west, poised to clean up your messes. :-)
09:01<Marius>I'm tired
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09:03<chemosh>HoopyCat: that bad, huh?
09:11<HoopyCat>chemosh: eh, probably not. :-)
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09:14<TheFirst>bad is not a strong enough word
09:14<TheFirst>taunt a guy just gettng to work...on a monday of all days?!
09:16<Nivex>Do not taunt Hoopy fun Cat.
09:16<HoopyCat>hey, at least i didn't have to deal with a traffic jam on the way in this morning
09:16<TheFirst>screw him! do whatever you want to him! don't taunt ME!
09:19<HoopyCat>that said, the dehumidifier is sick again, so at least i have one fire to put out. (figuratively speaking... not literally, yet.)
09:21<Daevien>dehumidifier onfire wouldbe kidnof amusing
09:23<path>i need a dehumidifier
09:24<path>last time i got one at the sears scratch and dent warehouse
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09:40<chemosh>I wasn't taunting anyone :)
09:41<TheFirst>now I'm not calling you a liar ... liar. oh wait I guess I am.
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09:43<Nivex>liar liar pants on fire?
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09:47<TheFirst>chemosh: as I tell the biz ... if you want nice on a monday morning you better be bearing coffee
09:54<chemosh>We have a pretty nice coffee machine here
09:55<TheFirst>quality doesn't really matter ... it'd just end up in the bearer of coffee's face with a quick "go away"
09:58<HoopyCat>Daevien: well, it does get quite hot when the fan stops working, that's for sure
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10:05<chemosh>TheFirst: sounds like a hostile working environment ^^
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10:08<TheFirst>chemosh: if it gets people to leave me the fsck alone I'm just fine with that
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10:22<HoopyCat>Home, Garden & Pets > Bedding & Bath > Bath > Bathroom Accessories > Holders & Dispensers > Creative Ware Unbreakable Beverage Dispenser with Removable Ice Core (3 Gallons)
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10:22<HoopyCat>... well, it's *unbreakable*, so i suppose it's safe for use in the shower
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10:25<chemosh>Interesting concept!
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10:34<chemosh>I'm thinking of building my own server, like the backblaze pod, but with front-loading bays. *Just for the heck of it*. But really, how feasible is it? I'll never be able to design anything close to what HP or Dell delivers.
10:36<ohkus>for what?
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10:38<amitz>i'm thinking to kill a few people.
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10:40<chemosh>ohkus: storage server. Just a fun project imo.
10:40<amitz>wait, did i say that out loud? damn -_-
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10:43<AzizLight>Hi everybody
10:45<Daevien>amitz: in a publicly logged channel no less
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10:46<HoopyCat>chemosh: there's a lot of ways to accomplish that... note two things about the backblaze: 1) it isn't designed for long-term durability, so you don't want just *one*, and 2) it's a lot of work and custom design for just one
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10:47<Jippi_moc>stan_theman: what new stuff are you guys working on for us ?:)
10:48<HoopyCat>chemosh: from a hardware standpoint, i'd probably start with something from but that's because they're my "usual" server chassists
10:52<AzizLight>I followed this guide ( to create a subdomain for my site, but now when I try to go to the subdomain, I get a 500 Internal Server Error and the following error in the log: can somebody explain to me what is going on please?
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10:53<HoopyCat>AzizLight: sounds like you might have a loop somewhere. pastebin your configs?
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10:54<amitz>Daevien: by killing everybody in this channel and destroying the logs, i can continue my peaceful furry loving life.
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11:05<chemosh>HoopyCat: Its not destined for 24/7 production use. Rather a nice storage box I can hang in a rack @ home. SM would be cost effective but not as fun as DIY project! ;) I use linode for anything else
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11:08<HoopyCat>chemosh: indeed... however, data loss sucks in general :-) i'd pick different tradeoffs than they did for a standalone unit, at least.
11:08<JshWright>chemosh: HoopyCat's point is that the BackBlaze setup isn't designed to be reliable... so don't put _any_ data you actually care about on it
11:10<HoopyCat>not even sure it's designed for drives to be replaceable without moving the thing to a workbench
11:12<HoopyCat>insert usual "hard drives are cheap, storage is not" rant here
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11:22<DephNet[Paul]>can people settle something for me, which is "better", setting the language, among other things, of a page, ie EN-GB or EN-US, via a HTTP header or via meta http-equiv tags?
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11:24<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: hmmmmm.... i'd lean towards meta http-equiv, because you're describing this specific presentation of the resource and not necessarily the resource itself
11:24<JshWright>I use meta tags beacuse.... HoopyCat typed faster than I did
11:25<chemosh>HoopyCat, JshWright: you're absolute right ofcourse. Even though I have everything import backed-up I don't wanna be rebuilding a 16TB raid every week
11:26<DephNet[Paul]>up until now, I have been using meta tags, but thought using http headers was a better way, but if you both use meta tags then I will stick with them
11:27<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul], JshWright: then again, what if there is a cache in the middle with users of different languages behind it, and the presentation depends on negotiation? the cache might not pick up on that.
11:28<walterheck>one of my newark linodes had a hickup on 12 minutes past the hour one hour ago, was that the network maintenance?
11:29<DephNet[Paul]>walterheck, what does say?
11:29<HoopyCat>walterheck: the network maintenance was about 15 hours ago
11:30<Daevien>walterheck: could have been your connection / something in between yours & the datacenter as well
11:30<walterheck>right. it was only a small hickup, and it was caught by my monitoring setup, but I couldn't fidn evidence of what was wrong
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11:31<Daevien>ah what do you use for monitoring?
11:31<walterheck>Daevien: it was one linode that's monitoring another over internal IP's :)
11:31<walterheck>Daevien: tribily being my startup :)
11:32<Daevien>ah was goign to say i havent heard of tribily
11:32<walterheck>Well, now you have :)
11:32<Daevien>over internal ips though would mean that it was one of th elinode's having probs, even network d/c shouldn't effect the internal ip
11:32<walterheck>We just got started, but our server monitoring as a service is mainly targeted at SME's
11:33<walterheck>Daevien: why do you say that? They are on different physical hosts..
11:34<DephNet[Paul]>walterheck, what is your price point? if it is gonna be cheaper than Hyperspin, I might sign up for a beta
11:34<Daevien>yeah but internal ips means no routing to be an issue
11:34<walterheck>DephNet[Paul]: we haven't worked out pricing yet, it is one of the things that is high on the todo list
11:35<DephNet[Paul]>walterheck, fair enough
11:36<walterheck>but as a beta client you get a say in what you think is reasonable in many aspects, including pricing :)
11:36<walterheck>also, tribily will do monitoring from the inside, not just by connecting to tcp/ip ports
11:36<DephNet[Paul]>i guess your setup does more than Hyperspin
11:36<walterheck>so we'll monitor your ram and HD space
11:37<walterheck>we can monitor your postfix queue, your apache status, your internal mysql stats, etc
11:37<DephNet[Paul]>hmm, i could do with something like that
11:37<Daevien>and how big your porn collection is getting? :p
11:37<DephNet[Paul]>Daevien, that is held elsewhere :P
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11:38<Daevien>well i was thinking for jed, he needs help controlling that
11:38<walterheck>Daevien: if that is what you need monitored, I suggest you get your mental state monitored ;)
11:38<HoopyCat>just a couple more terabytes and i hit the S3 price break
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11:39*HoopyCat sells access for a low monthly fee
11:39<DephNet[Paul]>walterheck, i know someone, who has been in a relationship for 5 years, who has a porn collection of 4TB
11:39<walterheck>DephNet[Paul]: I'd so you shoudl go to :) Especially if you are willing to work with us actively in discussing your needs, wants, likes and dislikes :)
11:39<Daevien>walterheck: nah i have no porn collection at all, no need for it :p
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11:40<Daevien>DephNet[Paul]: marriage is terrible on the sex life i guess :p
11:40<JshWright>perhaps for some... certainly not for everyone
11:41<DephNet[Paul]>Daevien, they are not married, and atleast half of it is home made
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11:42<Daevien>lol well thats a diff case altogether i guess :p
11:42<Daevien>anyway walterheck, the reasoni say check the linodes themselves is that the internal ips shouldn't be affected by routing issues. and i dnd't se eothe rproblems reported here
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11:50<HoopyCat>Daevien: there might not be a router, but there's still plenty of cabling and a few switches, in all likelihood
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11:55<tjfontaine>so um, the linode java client doesn't perhaps define one of the linode-oftc nodes to connect to instead of rotation, does it?
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11:57<snubby>hmm 2
11:58<jdneenah>HI; Is there a way to ftp a large amount of files onto my linode? I want to preserve permissions and directory structure. I tried mget in ftp, but it gives an error when you use mget directory name.
11:58<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: <param name="host" value="">
11:58<HoopyCat>jdneenah: scp or rsync are probably the better ways to go... FTP is deprecated and a pain in the butt to work with
11:59<jdneenah>Can I use them to get files from a host that I don't have shell access to?
11:59<linbot>New news from forums: Team Fortress 2 server on a Linode in General Discussion <>
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12:00<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: ok so the consumer must have awful dns
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12:01<HoopyCat>jdneenah: nchmm... give ncftp a try. i've had pretty good luck with that in the past.
12:01<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: isn't java and DNS caching a known headache? :-)
12:03<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: ya, but it's odd for a webapp since presumably the java runtime has restarted
12:03<tjfontaine>this client tried to pull a server that has been out of rotation for 2 days
12:03<TheFirst>HoopyCat: can't you generalize that to "isn't java a known headache?"
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12:03<HoopyTest>mmm sniffing packets
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12:04<tjfontaine>you came in through rotation
12:05<jdneenah>Is ncftp not supported by some hosts? I just loaded ncftp and tried to connect to the host I want to transfer files from and I get an error that itcan not connect.
12:05<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: yup, i queried
12:06<TheFirst>jdneenah: ncftp is just a ftp client ... there is no need for special support for it
12:06<HoopyCat>jdneenah: it just speaks the FTP protocol, so if the remote side supports FTP, it should just work
12:06<jdneenah>They do support ftp, but this is on rackspace cloud, so I think they do some things differently
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12:07<TheFirst>either ftp works or it doesn't...there's not a whole lot of middle ground there
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12:07<jdneenah>okay, they are refusing ftp connectings now also.
12:07<HoopyCat>well, either ftp works between two specific endpoints on the internet in a particular mode at some time or it doesn't :-)
12:08<TheFirst>HoopyCat: jinx!
12:08<TheFirst>or something
12:08<HoopyCat>TheFirst: no, i'm correcting you ;-)
12:08<jdneenah>They must be limiting the sim connections. I am downloading a copy of the site on my PC and am running about 10 sim connections. I will have to try it again once my computer is done downloading.
12:08<TheFirst>you're just being more verbose :P
12:09<Daevien>hoopycat has verbal diarrhea
12:09<HoopyCat>jdneenah: either that or they're spawning ftpd out of inetd and they just hit the maximum-spawns-per-unit-time limit
12:09*HoopyCat hasn't had that happen before, nope, never
12:09<Daevien>or their "cloud" sucks
12:12<HoopyCat>if it's just a VPS, then rackspace cloud has nothing to do with it. if it's their shared-hosting product, then yeah
12:12<JshWright>jdneenah: wait... you're looking for support on your Rackspace Cloud box here?
12:12<jdneenah>Possiable. The server I was on always looked pretty well loaded down on a TOP report. It's ment to be a web server not a ftp server, so I'd not be suprised if they are not running a ftp server at all.
12:12<HoopyCat>JshWright: scroll up :-)
12:12<JshWright>too lazy...
12:12<jdneenah>I am coping files from Rackspace cloud not a rackspace vps
12:13<HoopyCat>JshWright: the files are evacuating towards friendly territory
12:13<Daevien>JshWright: he's fleeing the rackspace cloud to linode i think, hence why we';re helping :p
12:13<JshWright>Well in that case... let me get you my referral code ;)
12:13<jdneenah>I was too busy last winter to setup a vps for myself, so I setup an account at RS cloud, it worked well, but it is 5X the cost of running a vps with you guys, so I am moving it all over.
12:14<JshWright>none of us are "Linode" (only the folks with an @)
12:14<TheFirst>jdneenah: too busy?! with the 34782947382 feet of snow you could have had nothing to do but set up a vps
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12:15<jdneenah>I was building a forum / site, graphics work, promotion, etc.
12:16<jdneenah>Setting up the VPS has been easier than I thought it would have been.
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12:18<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
12:18<Daevien>we're the "helpful" part :p
12:19<amitz>we - Daevien = nice and helpful.
12:19*amitz enters his cage.
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12:19<jdneenah>Yea, I realized that, I was just refering to the folks here as linode in terms of the linode community of users.
12:20<TheFirst>hey now! i'm trying to filling the apathetic asshole position!
12:20<amitz>you're the first...
12:20<TheFirst>maybe we should be linodeheads? i mean crack users are crackheads, meth users are methheads and so on...
12:21<mwalling>sounds better
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12:21*Daevien zaps amitz' cage with the cattleprod
12:21<jdneenah>Does top accuratly show resource use on a vps?
12:22<TheFirst>jdneenah: it shows the same thing that a non-vps running top would
12:22<Daevien>depends on what you mean as accurate. accurate as in the total info of the host server, no
12:22<amitz>Daevien: I thought entering my cage by my own is enough. You're a difficult master to please.
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12:23<jdneenah>I always get my K and k confused, I was trying to tell how much memory I am using / what is available. It says I have 30564k free
12:23<bntly\w>anyone seeing weird action from something called lfd on their vps's? >_>
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12:24<TheFirst>jdneenah: and to save a future question:
12:25<Daevien>amitz: hehe
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12:26<geppa>jdneenah: take htop for a spin, removes confusion about many things, %RAM used vs. Total included
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12:27<Daevien>htop is pretty nice
12:27<TheFirst>geppa: bah!all those new fangled tools with their glitzy colors! why back in my day....!
12:27<jdneenah>I thought it did that in linux with caching, but didn't remember how to check what is available for my use.
12:27<jdneenah>okay installing htop. Thanks.
12:28<Daevien>free -m is the non fancy way
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12:28<Daevien>you jsut need to do math & junk
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12:29<geppa>TheFirst: htop 0.1 committed 2004.05.07 to sourceforge... not so new anymore
12:29<jdneenah>Says I am only using 112, seems quite low.
12:30<Daevien>did you read the thing before? rest of "usage" is most likely cache
12:31<TheFirst>geppa: pfft! don't make me find my beatin' cane
12:32<jdneenah>Yes, and it said to run free -m and look at free on the -/+ buffers/cache line. Which shows 386 free and 112 used
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12:34<jdneenah>I thought I would actually be using more ram. I guess it is more efficent than I thought. I've been ruined by ms bloatware
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12:35<TheFirst>using apache?
12:35<HoopyCat>jdneenah: apache+mod_php will balloon up under load with the default settings, but outside of that... yeah, things aren't that big.
12:36<TheFirst>clamd/spamd like to balloon up over time too...just not as quickly
12:36<jdneenah>I loaded it and it is running, but don't have any load on the server. I loaded gnone and vnc server and am connected to that remotly, thought that would suck more memory.
12:36<geppa>More eyes here now, so I'll try to hail for help again: anyone knows what would produce folowing 4 lines in syslog before the linode went crazy to %101%CPU for a few hours and unresponsive afterwards, requiring a reboot (lish was also useless as seen from the log):
12:36<geppa>Aug 8 12:38:15 [removed] init: hvc0 main process (2606) killed by TERM signal
12:36<geppa>Aug 8 12:38:15 [removed] init: cron main process (2069) killed by TERM signal
12:36<geppa>Aug 8 12:38:15 [removed] init: hwclock-save main process (7980) terminated with status 1
12:36<geppa>Aug 8 12:38:15 [removed] kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped.
12:37<TheFirst>X...really...what's the point of it on a vps aside from to chew up resources
12:37<HoopyCat>geppa: hmmmmm, that sounds like a normal shutdown followed by the kernel going into its halt loop
12:37<geppa>not by me it wasn't
12:37<geppa>besides, the machine didn't halt
12:37<TheFirst>well 99% of the time the culprit is an OOM
12:38<HoopyCat>geppa: wasn't me either :-) oom-killer isn't that clean, either
12:38<jdneenah>thought it would be fun to try -- and it saves my open windows that I am working in vs losing my place when I time out on ssh
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12:38<TheFirst>never heard of screen?
12:39<HoopyCat>geppa: anything interesting in the job log on the dashboard? then again, a shutdown from that side would exit the kernel properly...
12:39<geppa>don't think is oom-killer... there is a nagios runing there... would have seen the shit coming... it's remains would tell the story
12:39<TheFirst>jdneenah: gnu screen ...
12:40<HoopyCat>geppa: that is weeeeeird. might be interesting to fire up lish, detach to the lish prompt (ctrl-a then d), and do "logview" ... that'll output the console logs for the last boot (along with the current boot)
12:40<geppa>HoopyCat: no jobs... last is the gift RAM reboot (thank you linode) then the reboot I did this morning
12:41<TheFirst>oh yeah! i still gotta reboot for that ram
12:42<geppa>HoopyCat: not usefull... it's last boot's log... ending in * Starting web server apache2"
12:43<wrkq>geppa, before the last boot, there's the "last shutdown" one...
12:43<wrkq>Use your scrollback.
12:43<wrkq>Or if you have it set to not enough, increase it in your term emulator, and re-run logview.
12:44<jdneenah>Thats intresting, I'll load screen and try it.
12:44<HoopyCat>geppa: it might be ticket-worthy... i haven't seen that happen before, but they've got good eyes and access to the fun tools and maybe they have
12:44<geppa>wrkg: did that, was talking about the last boot before the last...
12:44<wrkq>You saw no kernel messages since the bootup?
12:44<wrkq>Nothing about the shutdown?
12:44<wrkq>If that's really true, it's W.E.I.R.D....
12:45*HoopyCat suspects communism
12:45<geppa>wrkq: now you make me doubt myself, let me check again
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12:47<wrkq>Well, you're interested the most about the stuff that's just before the "Showing last 100 lines from current boot" header. I.e. the very end of "last 250 lines from previous boot".
12:47<Daevien>jdneenah: look into byobu, more useful version of screen
12:47<HoopyCat>the syscalls are coming from inside of the house
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12:48<geppa>wrkq: something useful came from more looking... buried under many login prompts from the last session was it's ugly end:
12:48<geppa>wrkq: init: rsyslog-kmsg main process (1912) killed by TERM signal
12:48<geppa> * Stopping web server apache2 SysRq : Emergency Syncbase server mysqld x
12:48<geppa>SysRq : Emergency Sync
12:48<Daevien>byobu will let you run multiple things all through one screen basically. and start auto when you connect to your server even if you want. so you can have irssi, a shell, shell running htop, etc and switch betweenthem with f3 & f4
12:49<wrkq>Okay, that was coming from the force-reboot via linode manager.
12:49<wrkq>It sends the magic sysrq combos before pulling the plug, when it can't shutdown correctly. (I think.)
12:49<geppa>Daevien: byobu will also kinda loose his mind when you reconect, never again to regain it's layout... at least it does that when you put dvtm in it... screen doesn't do that
12:49<wrkq>So, it's not exactly what we'd like to see... but as your syslogd got killed, there's not much in the main logs >.<
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12:50<HoopyCat>wrkq: from there, i'd leave a job queue entry...
12:50<wrkq>Urm, HoopyCat, what?
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12:50<Daevien>geppa: dvtm?
12:50<geppa>HoopyCat: it did, it's just not shown in the logview
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12:51<jdneenah>Daevien: thanks. Neat to see there are several options for doing this.
12:51<geppa>Daevien: like screen's split thingie... but better
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12:51<geppa>Daevien: a tilining wm for the console.. really neat if u ask me :)
12:51<HoopyCat>geppa: you can reproduce that exact part of it by "sysrq s" from lish (just the emergency sync, not the takedown)
12:52<HoopyCat>wrkq: if it's coming from the dashboard, it will go through the job queue and show up on the job list. a lish "reboot" will do so as well.... but would a "destroy"?
12:53<HoopyCat>(then again, "destroy" specifically doesn't do a sync :-)
12:53<wrkq>HC... I meant it another way.
12:53<HoopyCat>wrkq: ah.
12:53<wrkq>geppa did say he rebooted the linode after he noticed.
12:53<wrkq>I assume he did it via the manager job.
12:53<HoopyCat>wrkq: i see what you're saying, i think
12:53<wrkq>And I _guess_ that the job tries to signal inint, and if that fails, sends a sysrq and hardboots.
12:54<geppa>wrkq... I didn't... the people using it called ;P, I did restart it from the dashboard though
12:54*wrkq nods.
12:54<HoopyCat>wrkq: ok, i am back on the boat with where you're going.
12:54<geppa>wrkq: and it took unusually long in the shutdown part....
12:54<wrkq>My call is: the sysrq lines are resuly of geppa clicking reboot, not the reason of the lockup ;)
12:55<wrkq>Yeah, it probably waits X time for a sane shutdown, the sysrqs and kills.
12:55<wrkq>Still, it's really evil... dead suslogd = no data from the inside...
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12:55<geppa>wrkq: so some default, graceful action must have timed out first then the shotgun got the green light
12:55<geppa>wrkq: or something like that...
12:55<HoopyCat>wrkq: will a halt-loop'd kernel respond to magic sysrq key?
12:56<wrkq>No idea, doubt it...
12:56<wrkq>Question is, was it in a haltloop.
12:56<wrkq>All we know is that something was hoggung CPU, and that unknown amount of stuff including syslogd got killed.
12:56<HoopyCat>wrkq: the single spinning CPU points towards that
12:57<wrkq>Wouldn't any other runaway process look similar?
12:57<wrkq>Or are you saying that in such case kernel's scheduler would balance tthe load across cores?
12:57<HoopyCat>wrkq: a runaway single-threaded process, yes
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12:58<geppa>HoopyCat: I /think/ it was all cores that got hoged
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12:58<HoopyCat>wrkq: the last bit in syslog looks like normal init going-to-runlevel-(0, 1, or 6) stuff, which leads me down the shutdown path, as does init not being around to respond to C-A-D
12:59<HoopyCat>geppa: 100% on the dashboard == just one core. (this amplifier goes up to 400)
12:59<jdneenah>What is a good win based IRC client
12:59<JonathanD>I'm having some mild connectivity issues to my Newark linode. Just me?
12:59*HoopyCat loves the "why the hell did that break" game
12:59<wrkq>jdneenah, I recommend
13:00<wrkq>JonathanD, having intermittent brownouts to newark myself.
13:00<HoopyCat>JonathanD: i've been clean all day
13:00<wrkq>it halts for umpteen seconds every few minutes for me, and some other users.
13:00<wrkq>(I'm on newark10)
13:00<HoopyCat>wrkq: howdy neighbor
13:01*wrkq grins.
13:01<JonathanD>It's mild, but annoying.
13:02<geppa>HoopyCat: hmm... wait a sec... the reason it took 12 hours for me to react was that I was working the other night with another linode and had a grep -r go down /usr, had htop runing in another window... saw grep taking one core to the max (but not the others)... then got a mail from linode about high CPU usage and asumed that was it... a weird coincidence as this was *another* linode... but anyway... that grep with one full up core showed on the
13:02<HoopyCat>JonathanD: might be worth keeping an eye on mtr and opening a ticket with data next time it happens... there was some maint last night which could be related
13:03<HoopyCat>i'm laying down some bidirectional mtr as well, so we'll see
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13:03<wrkq>I'm quite unfortunate owner of a home router that drops ICMP...
13:04<HoopyCat>i'm the fortunate owner of a VPN that hides some transient network problems from me, for what it's worth
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13:04<wrkq>Or, to be more precise, whatever it's doing it makes all traceroutes look like have one hop straight to destination >.>
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13:05<geppa>HoopyCat: the mail from linode was actually about the hung host, that actually does show as full 100% for some hours... which prompts a little sugestion to linode... please include the customized linode name in the mails...
13:06<wrkq>It usually does...
13:06<wrkq>All my mail alerts say "linodeXXXXX (mycustomnamehere)"
13:06<HoopyCat>yup, mine does too (just checked)
13:08<geppa>ok... mea culpa... mine does too... was just to strong in assuming it was the spike I caused on my personal linode that prompted it that I thought otherwise
13:10<HoopyCat>geppa: was it pingable during the unhappy time, btw?
13:10<HoopyCat>(and, equally important, is it normally pingable? :-)
13:12*Daevien pings HoopyCat
13:13<wrkq>"To ping or not to ping..."
13:14<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS22653; ASN owner: Cyber Wurx LLC; ASN reg: 2001-10-31; Abuse contact:; Net owner: Cyber Wurx LLC; City: Beaverton; State: Oregon; Postal code: 97005; Country: US; Domains: 2;
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13:14<geppa>HoopyCat: it normally is... don't know if it was then... I would carefully assume yes because I tried to connect by ssh and it timed out /during/ the whole user-key thing... almost like sshd was up and answering somewhat but bash wasn't starting (fantasizing here)... I then tried lish and the tty wasn't connecting either so I rebooted it before trying to ping it
13:15<SelfishMan>HoopyCat tried to ping urmom but she complained about small packets
13:17<Battousai>damn fragmentation
13:18<Daevien>anyone ever owned a laptop with intel & ati video cards that let you swap between them? specifically, owned one and ran linux. wondering how hard / possible to do that bit under linux
13:18<HoopyCat>geppa: 'tis a weird one, that's for sure. :-)
13:18<Battousai>Daevien: last i checked, it works on console only
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13:18<Battousai>you need to restart X to switch cards
13:18<Daevien>but not the whole machine or something?
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13:19<Battousai>nope, new kernels support graphics switching on the console
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13:19<geppa>HoopyCat: wrkq: the consensus being that it's ticket worthy right?
13:19<wrkq>My tenure here is way too short to decide about that.
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13:20<Daevien>interesting, thanks Battousai . debating picking up an acer 3820 ( and it's got ati & intel so wondered if that would be usable under linux which is what i'd prefer to ahve it run
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13:20<Battousai>Daevien: you may find this helpful (from google)
13:20<HoopyCat>geppa: my rule of thumb: if in doubt, fire off a ticket. worst they can do is point you at IRC :-)
13:20<HoopyCat>geppa: but yeah, i'd probably ticket this one.
13:21<Daevien>yeah, i'm on dsl and systems downloading. so my connection sopeed = sucks hence the question, can get irssi to updat efaster lol
13:21<geppa>!poll ?
13:22<dajhorn>Daevien: Expensive. A few hundred bucks would make a daytrip to the border worthwhile.
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13:22<Daevien>Battousai: though that page seems to be mostly nvidia from a quick chekc through it
13:22<HoopyCat>geppa: just open a dang ticket. if they give you heck, tell them i said it was ok and that i know where they hang out on IRC. :-)
13:23<Daevien>dajhorn: not from wher ei am. and thats canadian. plus it's going on sale wed for $100 less. and i'd get 10% off that too :p
13:24<geppa>[select] bits of irc log should be on the "Why Linode" page... :)
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13:26<Daevien>dajhorn: plus i'd only be paying 25% of it now, the rest over the next year w/o any interest. one of the very few perks of working at staples heh. basically i'll use it as a no interest credit card and pay it all off in a couple months without getting interest adding up or having to wait
13:27<HoopyCat>oh man, this is like the good old days of the internet... i'm downloading a .zip of funny sound files and it's being slow
13:27<HoopyCat>and my web browser just crashed
13:28*jed plays taps
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13:30<HedgeMage>Not waking up. Don't wanna. Not gonna.
13:30<Kos>sounds like you've already failed
13:31*mdcollins wishes he was asleep still
13:31<HoopyCat>can't unsleep, the clowns will uneat me
13:32<HoopyCat>... what, the unsleeping part?
13:32<SelfishMan>no, the hot topic reference
13:34<HoopyCat>which hot topic reference?
13:35<HoopyCat>if you're talking about the clowns thing, it's from simpsons, season 4, episode 69 (9F08)
13:35<HoopyCat>hot topic wasn't even *around* in 1992
13:36<SelfishMan>true, but hot topic killed that joke by putting it on a shirt and then opening a store in every mall in the US
13:36<@jed>HoopyCat: I might have to disagree with your police work, there, Lou
13:36<@jed>The first Hot Topic store was opened in 1988 by Orv Madden,
13:36<HoopyCat>jed: if they weren't in iowa, they didn't exist
13:36<@jed>and holy profit
13:37<@jed>what a name ... 'orv'
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13:37<Daevien>yeah so much better than say "jed"
13:38<mdcollins>I wish my name was jed.. I got Matt instead..
13:38<mdcollins>Wanna trade?
13:38<wrkq>I bet that it was a short of "Orville"...
13:39<wrkq>Tho it's quite possible his parents put the shortened version in the borth papers... it's amerika we're taking about.
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13:41<jamiedneenah>I got my download finished and am trying ftp again from linode. ftp connects. However ncftp says could not connect to connection refused.
13:42<HoopyCat>mikegrb: <--- for the next dialplan upgrade
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13:42<HoopyCat>jamiedneenah: hmm, that doesn't look like the right IP
13:43<wrkq>Sounds like an port-active ftp to me ;)
13:43<wrkq>... or not. *hides*
13:43<jamiedneenah>ncftp> open
13:43<jamiedneenah>Could not connect to Connection refused.
13:44<HoopyCat>ah yep, that's mosso
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13:45<HoopyCat>jamiedneenah: indeed, ftp refuses connections from me too (trying from home)
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13:46<ernesto_vargas>I am unable to make the datetime sync correcting using the timezone specify.
13:47<ernesto_vargas>I have my localtime setup as lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Aug 9 22:25 localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-5
13:47<HoopyCat>ernesto_vargas: hmm... which distribution are you using?
13:47<ernesto_vargas>CentOS release 5.4 (Final)
13:48<jamiedneenah>When I ncftp to I get the error unable to connect to Then when I ftp to I get connected and it says server ready. It looks like ftp and ncftp are getting different lookups for the name for some reason.
13:48<ernesto_vargas>date reports Mon Aug 9 22:48:02 GMT-5 2010
13:48<HoopyCat>ernesto_vargas: that looks like GMT+5. what's date -u say?
13:49<jeremyb>jamiedneenah: i get a 3rd, different IP for that host
13:49<ernesto_vargas>date -u Mon Aug 9 17:49:08 UTC 2010
13:49<jamiedneenah>I think it must be something due to the cloud setup that it keeps returning different ip's.
13:49<HoopyCat>ernesto_vargas: you might want to pick one of the other /usr/share/zoneinfo files, most likely the one describing your location
13:51<ernesto_vargas>that was it
13:51<ernesto_vargas>I guess the GMT-5 wasn't correct.
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13:52<HoopyCat>ernesto_vargas: it happens. the location-named ones are better, since they take care of daylight saving time and any changes to timezones that might happen
13:55<ernesto_vargas>Thanks HoopyCat for your help...Community support is already really appreciated.
13:55<jamiedneenah>I just used ncftpget -T -R -v -u and it connected and appears to be doing a full download now. Thanks guys!
13:56<HoopyCat>ernesto_vargas: and yup, the sign on the Etc/GMT* files is backwards, so it's not just you :-)
13:56<jeremyb>HoopyCat: orly?
13:56<HoopyCat>jamiedneenah: np. :-)
13:57<HoopyCat>jeremyb: it's the POSIX style
13:57<HoopyCat>(when in doubt, blame it on POSIX)
13:57<jeremyb>HoopyCat: ... wtf
13:59<HoopyCat>jeremyb: i suppose it keeps people from using the Etc/GMT* zones
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14:17<linbot>New news from forums: Strange network usage after yum update... in General Discussion <>
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14:34<@ericoc>lasers be dangerous
14:34<@Perihelion>I'm a bit concerned that everything I see is red now.
14:36<maushu>Hmm, upstart is not running the startup event.
14:36<TheFirst>Perihelion: maybe you're a terminator?
14:37<mwalling>TheFirst: you forget who Perihelion and ericoc work with
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14:37<@Perihelion>It's entirely mikegrb \'s fault.
14:37<@ericoc>my vision's been purple
14:37<@Perihelion>Why did that get escaped?
14:38<@Perihelion>I've never seen it do that before...I must have hit something
14:38<@Perihelion>In any case, the blame is still valid.
14:38<@ericoc>i must have hit urmom last night
14:38<@Perihelion>Well did you or didn't you?
14:38<@ericoc>i need her to cook for me
14:39<TheFirst>Perihelion: well he's not vomitting currently so probably not
14:39<@Perihelion>You should really figure out the cooking thing.
14:39<@Perihelion>I've managed with no fires so far.
14:39<@ericoc>you have a gas stove
14:39<@ericoc>electric is soooo crappy
14:39<@Perihelion>The gas one scares me
14:39<@jed>gas is the only way to cook
14:39<@ericoc>^ yes
14:39<@Perihelion>When I turn it on the whole room smells
14:39<@Perihelion>Which is concerning
14:40<vladgh>hello guys
14:40<@jed>my oven does that
14:40<@ericoc>the electric takes forever to heat up and cool down
14:40<@Perihelion>I know, but it's annoying
14:40<@Perihelion>It gives me a headache
14:40<@ericoc>i still havent called the gas company since i only need gas for heat
14:40<@ericoc>and summer so...
14:40<Battousai>it only gives you a headache because you're stressing over the impending explosion
14:40<@Perihelion>If horrible things are going to happen they'll happen to me
14:40<@ericoc>light smelly candles to make the smell go away
14:40<@Perihelion>You have no idea
14:41<@Perihelion>I will be the one person in 30 or so years that will cause an explosion in the complex
14:41<mwalling>electric oven > gas though
14:41<@Perihelion>I agree
14:41<mwalling>eaiser to bake with
14:41<@Perihelion>Just because of the smell
14:41<vulcan>gas is only way to go
14:41<@Perihelion>I can use both obviously
14:41<mwalling>vulcan: dual fuel ftw
14:41<@ericoc>i have electric oven but i only used it once. i made cookies and burned them horribly
14:41<vulcan>seriosuly cooking on electric is terrible
14:41<@Perihelion>Holy crap I should make cupcakes tonight
14:41<@ericoc>they smelled bad
14:41<@ericoc>since burnt
14:41<mwalling>vulcan: yes, *ON* electric, not *IN* electric
14:41<Battousai>make brownies
14:42<@Perihelion>I have brownie mix too
14:42<@ericoc>brownies for everyone tomorrow?
14:42<@Perihelion>Okay linodia..time for a poll: cookies, brownies, or cupcakes?
14:42<@ericoc>brownies but no nuts
14:42<Battousai>all 3!
14:42<mwalling>also, dont you guys have your own channel for that?
14:42<@Perihelion>They have nuts in them
14:42<@Perihelion>I was asking the community
14:42<@Perihelion>No one said I was sharing
14:43<@ericoc>share please
14:43<Battousai>how bout if i come down to visit? though i tend to avoid jersey at all costs
14:43<TheFirst>Perihelion: what kind of cookies?
14:43<@jed>urmom has nuts... eh. too obvious
14:43<mwalling>someone enlighten ericoc on linookies and how awesome my wife is
14:43<@Perihelion>I have sugar cookies but I could get anything really
14:43<@Perihelion>I wasn't here for that so I have no idea
14:43<@pparadis>mwalling: <3
14:43<@Perihelion>Apparently they were square green cookies
14:44<@Perihelion>There are pictures somewhere.
14:44<mwalling>jed turned green from eating too many
14:44<@jed>nobody else was eating them, and I'm fat
14:44<@jed>you do the math
14:44<@Perihelion>I've submitted a formal request for him to be the Linode cube for halloween
14:45<DephNet[Paul]>Perihelion, isn't that what caker modelled the Linode logo on?
14:45<@Perihelion>The cookies or jed?
14:45<@Perihelion>On second thought either would be awkward
14:46<@ericoc>green cookies?
14:46<DephNet[Paul]>the cookies
14:46<@jed>I was graduating high school when caker designed the logo
14:46<@Perihelion>I'm not sure where I was
14:46<@jed>the womb
14:46<DephNet[Paul]>how long ago did he design the logo?
14:46<@Perihelion>Oh please I'm not that young
14:46<TheFirst>Perihelion: date cookies ++
14:46<@jed>DephNet[Paul]: '03
14:46<TheFirst>added benefit of much amusement if someone eats too many of them
14:46<@jed>it might have been different at the beginning, I'm not sure
14:46<@Perihelion>I would have been in like 10th grade then or something
14:46<@jed>I'm fairly sure it's been the same since launch
14:47<DephNet[Paul]>i would be starting my last job in employment
14:47<mwalling>my only linookie picture is on my mac at home and its turned off
14:47<@jed>yeah, it has been
14:47<@jed>collegelinux 2.1, snort
14:48<@Perihelion>Linode 64 \o/
14:48<DephNet[Paul]>RedHat 9.0
14:51<@Perihelion>Vodka and OJ seems like a good idea.
14:51<@mikegrb>Perihelion: don't forget the laser
14:51<@Perihelion>It will haunt my red tinted dreams
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14:53<DephNet[Paul]>it seems that protecting a network, to the extent where you do not hand over the admin passwords unless they have been requested in the correct manor, is punishable by 4 years in prison, or atleast it is in San Francisco
14:53<Daevien>welcome to liek 3 days ago
14:54<DephNet[Paul]>yeah, im in the UK
14:55<DephNet[Paul]>and the only UK based site to cover it is starting to piss me off because other sites, like the BBC, are always ahead of them in reporting stuff
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15:02<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: i can certainly see where he's coming from, but... you know, that's what the magic envelope is for.
15:03<DephNet[Paul]>magic envelope?
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15:03<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: in a safe, there is an envelope.
15:04<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: in that envelope is the Codes
15:04<DephNet[Paul]>ahh, true, but then who has the safe combination ;)
15:05<TheFirst>no one? pretty sure just about any safe can be penetrated given time
15:05<tjfontaine>anyone know how to make xdelta ignore the fact that I want it to operate on compressed data? (ignore in the sense it doesn't try and decompress)
15:06<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: all the ops staff plus the owner. :-)
15:06<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, but then, what would be the point of designing the network how he did?
15:07<DephNet[Paul]>why not just give them the admin password?
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15:09<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: i dunno. it's a network; it exists to provide reliable and performant services to its users. having an authentication SPOF kinda defeats the purpose.
15:10<DephNet[Paul]>from what i heard, the network didnt die until after he was fired
15:12<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: he either failed to properly document the care and feeding of the network, or his successor failed to do what needed doin'
15:14<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: (or else he sabotaged shit on his way out, but that's a rather serious accusation)
15:16<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, yeah, either way, it doesn't affect me :P no one can fire me from my job, for any reason
15:17<HoopyCat>after i resigned, nothing made me happier than everything continuing to work (aside from that which people monkeyed with)
15:17<HoopyCat>(well, and a hardware failure on a known-and-documented-SPOF)
15:17<Daevien>some employers think thats a sign they dont need you when stuf fworks without direct tinkering
15:18<DephNet[Paul]>I left my last place of employment, and went self employed, because the people that employed me as their IT manager didnt invest in the department
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15:20<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: ooh, i like that. "didn't invest in the department"
15:21<atourino>Is it bad I had to do a double take when I read this while installing rvm? "Be sure to get head often as rvm development happens fast..."
15:21<DephNet[Paul]>for some reason they didn't seem to care that they had over 40 members of staff, and only 10 CAL's for their network
15:21<HoopyCat>i like you brits; full of diplomacy
15:21<Nivex>since most IT departments are seen as a cash sink anyway...
15:21<HoopyCat>atourino: i keep asking for head, but all i get is a rather stale trunk
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15:21<Nivex>HoopyCat: with junk in it?
15:22<DephNet[Paul]>Nivex, but nearly every company will actually pay for what they need, like a CAL for every member of staff
15:22<HoopyCat>Nivex: i tried unit testing urmom's trunk last night, but it failed
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15:24<Daevien>HoopyCat: overuse
15:26<atourino>hehe. urmom idempotency fail
15:29<HoopyCat>urdad was idempotent... but urmailman wasn't
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15:35<randallman>heh @ hc
15:36<mwalling>HoopyCat: what about the milkman?
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15:38<HoopyCat>mwalling: she was in school that early in the day
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16:13<Daevien>heh has a report on that eve player losing $1200-1300 worth of game time cards
16:13<Daevien>the on ei mentioned the other day
16:14<mau>The eve player probably didn't lost that, he just bought them for tons of isk.
16:14<Daevien>it was prob a farmer but could have been large alliance alt or something
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16:19<linbot>New news from forums: Very impressed! in Customer Testimonials <>
16:19<Toger>Does the site use source IP address as a factor in validating sessions?
16:20<@caker>Toger: kinda. The load balancing marrys a client IP to a specific backend box - which your session is tied to.
16:20<Toger>Ahh; interacts poorly with corporate proxies that vary your source ip request to request :<
16:21<Toger>oh well.
16:21<Toger>What lb software/hardware do you use?
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16:21<Daevien>cakercloud (tm)
16:22<@Perihelion>clouder \o/
16:22<@caker>nginx+ip_hash and a bunch of Linodes
16:23<@Perihelion>Linode is so awesome that it powers itself.
16:23<jeremyb>maybe throw in some ssl id or a cookie?
16:23<Daevien>linode + nginx = uber
16:23<jeremyb>caker: where does nginx run?
16:23<tjfontaine>is your nginx running?
16:24<tjfontaine>BETTER CATCH IT
16:24<@caker>in the cloud
16:24<jeremyb>ha ha ha
16:24<jeremyb>caker: on more than one node?
16:24<@caker>of course
16:24<tjfontaine>nodes of nodes of nodes
16:25<HoopyCat>it's nodes all the way down
16:25<Yaakov>I got my iPhone 4.
16:25<Yaakov>Trouble activating it, though. Should be fixed soon.
16:25<HoopyCat>Yaakov: that's because they aren't using linodes for provisioning
16:25<jeremyb>i think i've heard the same thing with other people
16:26<Yaakov>This is something about our corporate account.
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16:27<jeremyb>oh, idk then
16:27<HoopyCat>Yaakov: nothing -- and i mean NOTHING -- makes me more nervous than somethings about our corporate account
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16:27<TheFirst>Yaakov: and then first website you visit...jailbreakme :P
16:28<Yaakov>I am not really interested in that, actually. I am happy with the phone as it is.
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16:28<Kos>I unjailbroke my 3g because it was far too bogged down with all I was trying to get it to do
16:28<Kos>Finally jusdt dealt with it
16:29<Yaakov>I have had an iPhone since the first generation and I've ever had the urge to jailbreak it.
16:29<HoopyCat>at this point, if you're buying an iphone, it's because you want an iphone and not a mobile development platform
16:29<@caker>iphone uphone we all scream for iphone
16:29<Yaakov>The display on this phone is stunning. The camera is very good.
16:30*Kos then bought a Moto Droid
16:30<TheJoe>caker: That was terrible.
16:30<Nivex>my phone makes calls
16:30<Kos>Oh man, any of you play with the Galaxy S yet?
16:31<Yaakov>My old phone makes calls, ny new one doesn't yet.
16:31<Yaakov>They need to fix that.
16:32<Kos>I'm actually annoyed at the lack of snapyness that android has
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16:32<HoopyCat>i wish my phone had more useful ringtones that weren't all like pixie-laden fart parties, but that's about it
16:32<Kos>iphone has got that part down, everything works as it's supposed to 100% of the time
16:32<Kos>but my droid still freaks out sometimes when I'm doing something resource intensive, and Iget a phone call
16:32<Daevien>hoopy what do you mean by mobile development platform, sometihng portable to do stuff with or you mean make apps for ipod vs liek droid?
16:33<HoopyCat>high-pitched ring, middle-pitched ring, low-pitched ring, french telephone in old alfred hitchcock movie ring, a beep of the sort i'd like more of for my text messages, and then a butthorn of musical ditties of the sort that homicides are made of
16:34<HoopyCat>Daevien: you can do a lot more with a droid than an iphone. that is not necessarily a good thing :-)
16:34<tjfontaine>I hear you can totally waste battery better in android than you can on the iphone
16:34<tjfontaine>one of the main reasons I considered switching
16:35<Daevien>i don't have any phone currently heh. hiding form them after delaign with them so much for years. got an ipod though. the nokia n900 looks interesting for being mobile and still having hackable features
16:36<HoopyCat>blueproximity has dropped my walmart-claw-game-prize phone's battery life down to 2-3 days
16:36<HoopyCat>which is nice, because i started forgetting to charge it
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16:46<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Configure SSL for Secure Websites Using Apache 2 on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) <>
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16:55<mwalling>straterra: bah, i was going to harass you!
16:55<straterra>mwalling: About SSL?
16:55<straterra>Because..I really fucking hate OpenSSL
16:55<mwalling>heh yeah
16:57<straterra>I'm trying to use openssl_pkey_new in PHP..and I'm getting this error. - ERROR on 213 line (openssl_pkey_new): error:0E065068:configuration file routines:STR_COPY:variable has no value
16:57<straterra>I see this issue all the time..and it pisses me off
16:57<straterra>Doesn't tell you what variable it's looking for
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16:58<straterra>It's not PHP
16:58<straterra>It's OpenSSL
16:58<@jed>it could be the way PHP is talking to OpenSSL
16:58<straterra>It's not
16:58<mwalling>nah, its php
16:58<mwalling>and your chick car
16:58<straterra>This issue happens with the OpenSSL tools on the command line, too
16:58<Justin_Hopkins>HoopyCat: Tell us the one about ur mom again!
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17:02*atourino faults PHP and straterra's chick car
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17:02<atourino>well, just the chick car
17:02<atourino>PHP is good enough
17:03<mwalling>straterra: speaking of chick cars, guess what i got
17:03<straterra>A Celica?
17:03<straterra>Did I guess right?
17:03<mwalling>no, an xD
17:04<straterra>Those are..extremely ugly
17:04<mwalling>no, the xB is ugly
17:04<mwalling>the xD is pretty !offensive, except the nose is a little funky shaped
17:05<straterra>They are both kinda..eeeeeh to me
17:05<mwalling>cheap and decent
17:05<mwalling>even if the first dealer ignored me
17:05<straterra>Tomorrow, I install some engine upgrades :O
17:05<mwalling>(literally, he vanished and left us on our own with the car)
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17:11<straterra>mwalling: I debadged the Eclipse
17:11<straterra>Oh..and added my own AUX in port
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17:12<blognewb>is PeopleOfWalmart hosted by linode?
17:12<@Perihelion>Doesn't seem like it
17:12<linbot>HoopyCat: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS2914; ASN owner: NTT America, Inc.; ASN reg: 1998-12-07; Abuse contact:; Net owner: NTT America, Inc.; City: Englewood; State: Colorado; Postal code: 80112; Country: US; Domains: 8;
17:13<linbot>jeremyb: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS21844; ASN owner: Internet Services, Inc.; ASN reg: 2001-06-29; Abuse contact:; Net owner: Linode; City: Absecon; State: New Jersey; Postal code: 08201; Country: US;
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17:13<blognewb>NTT? is that the registry owner or server?
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17:13<straterra>That's who owns the block
17:14<blognewb>straterra: what is a block? sorry i am a dumb ass when it comes to server side
17:14<HoopyCat>blognewb: that'd be whomever is responsible for the IP address, at least as close as people who aren't NTT can determine :-)
17:14<straterra>blognewb: the network block
17:14<straterra>The IP's in a given range
17:14<HoopyCat>blognewb: is the block of IP addresses in question... it ranges from to
17:15<blognewb>ok ok im an idiot but not that stupid :P
17:15<HoopyCat>blognewb: well, it's not like CIDR notation is particularly obvious at the best of times :-)
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17:17<HoopyCat>nibbles and bits and bits and bits
17:17<@Perihelion>I was trying to forget about nibbles and bits
17:17*Perihelion has file system forensics flashbacks
17:18<blognewb>yesterday i just got infected with the antivir solution pro malware wtf was that
17:18<blognewb>i was browsing the huffingtonpost
17:18<blognewb>could that be it
17:18*HoopyCat just added "when in doubt, write a receipt" to his when-in-doubt rules-of-thumb list
17:19<HoopyCat>blognewb: run linux instead of windows; the pop-ups that say you might be infected look a lot more obviously fake :-)
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17:21<jeremyb>HoopyCat: they don't do UA sniffing?
17:21<blognewb>i know yeah im saving for a macbook
17:21<blognewb>then ill put in a linux
17:21<HoopyCat>jeremyb: they might, but if the payload is written for windows, why waste the time?
17:21<straterra>blognewb: You..installed it
17:21<straterra>That's how you got it
17:21<blognewb>no i didnt click anything
17:21<blognewb>i was using chrome
17:22<straterra>I've seen it hundreds of times
17:22<blognewb>tis the first time i had malware ever in mah loyf
17:22<straterra>"This window looks like a windows says my antivirus protection isn't up to date. Click here? Sure!!"
17:22<Daevien>every user says that. even the ones that come back a week later with the same problem. o"h *I* didn't do it, it jsut appeared"
17:22<blognewb>long before norton and mcafee were has beens
17:23<blognewb>thats dumb im aware of those deceiving popups
17:23<straterra>Then don't click them
17:23<HoopyCat>YOUR COMPUTER MIGHT NOT BE INFECTED BY MALWARE. Click here for a free scan
17:24<blognewb>i didnt click em. but thank goodness for malwarebytes
17:24<blognewb>there werent any popups
17:24<blognewb>maybe popunders but chrome had them all blocked
17:24<Nivex>Your computer might be running on pixie dust.
17:24<Daevien>HoopyCat's fart pixie dust
17:25<@pparadis>double rainbow
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17:25<@pparadis>so intense
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17:25<HoopyCat>shining a laser through mikegrb's farts produces a triple rainbow
17:26<jeremyb>HoopyCat: idk
17:26*jeremyb runs away
17:26<blognewb>it was a bitch it wouldnt let you surf the net and open msconfig, or task mgr
17:26<@pparadis>HoopyCat: that's just not true, the laser cannot penetrate that particular cloud
17:26<blognewb>it also added a proxy to the browsers
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17:29<Daevien>run linux, laugh at puny microsloth virii, ??, profit
17:30<Justin_Hopkins>pparadis: Via slashdot: Highly Directional Terahertz Laser Rays Created: Can Even Pass Through HoopyCat Fart
17:30<@pparadis>oh man
17:30<HoopyCat>i'm sending a trend in Justin_Hopkins's contributions
17:30<@pparadis>we're doomed
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17:31<Justin_Hopkins>HoopyCat: Oh really? A trend?
17:31-!-Xobb [~xobb@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:32<HoopyCat>Trending Topics: #hoopycat
17:32<Justin_Hopkins>It's love.
17:32<speedysrv>alot of nifty tech being developed as we speak =)
17:32<Justin_Hopkins>Apologies for switching fart joke targets - it was unintended.
17:33<@Perihelion>Why is dragons trending on twitter
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17:33<Justin_Hopkins>Glad to see I'm not the only one checking twitter trends... just to be sure.
17:33<HoopyCat>Justin_Hopkins: mikegrb is the official linode gastrointestinal warfare specialist
17:34<HoopyCat>Justin_Hopkins: and the laserologist
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17:34<@Perihelion>I only checked because I was secretly hoping to see HoopyCat on there :(
17:35<Justin_Hopkins>HoopyCat: OK I GET IT! All future fart related fake headlines will be attn: mikegrb. You seem a little sensitive about it. Are you holding something back, perhaps?
17:35<HoopyCat>Justin_Hopkins: just a little bit
17:35<HoopyCat>... but not any more
17:36<Justin_Hopkins>Tried to tweet #hoopycat... Fail Whale. #poetry
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17:38<Justin_Hopkins>Heh. Actually dropped by to say "Thanks!" for It reminded me that I needed to install certificate myself
17:38<HoopyCat>yay ssl
17:38<m0dx>does anyone have any experience using the LEMP stack?
17:38<m0dx>i can't seem to get php-fpm to start (keep getting 502 errors)
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17:42<straterra>Linux, ????, MySQL, PHP ?
17:42<HoopyCat>m0dx: not i... any interesting errors in the logs?
17:43<Nivex>straterra: EngineX
17:43<Nivex>I think
17:43<m0dx>HoopyCat, can't seem to find anything in the logs.. will check again
17:43<m0dx>yes, nginx
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17:44<@pparadis>just doesn't have the same ring ;)
17:45<m0dx>hmm 111: Connection refused
17:45-!-butchi_mo_ngajaq_jalan_dijakpu [~Cartoon_@] has joined #linode
17:45<m0dx>but when I search for the php-fpm process it looks like it's not running
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17:46*path waits for it
17:46*jed sprinkles excessive colons around
17:46<path>hey! keep that in your pants.
17:47<HoopyCat>m0dx: well, at least the log agrees that it's probably not running. that's better than nothing. hmm
17:49<m0dx>I get "Starting php-fpm done" but the it may be quitting right afterwards?
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18:02<linbot>New news from forums: number of CPU cores on a VPS nginx configuration in General Discussion <>
18:02<@caker>moar coar for mai blag!!!
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18:17<squircle>how does one clear the DNS cache on OS X leopard?
18:17<squircle>I think it's ns...somethingutil
18:17<Runar>dscacheutil -flushcache
18:17<squircle>thanks :)
18:20<linbot>squircle: IP:; rDNS: M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS7500; ASN owner: WIDE Project; ASN reg: 1996-12-19; Abuse contact:; City: Tokyo; State: Tokyo; Country: JP; Domains: 1;
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18:24<Demonicpagan>what would cause apache to randomly start spiking cpu and ram usage?
18:24<Alucard>lots of them
18:24<encode>or kittens
18:25<squircle>being dugg
18:25<Demonicpagan>i don't have sites that draw lots of hits
18:25<Demonicpagan>and the spike doesn't drop until i start the linode
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18:26<Demonicpagan>i have even stopped apache and cpu usage don't drop
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18:39<blognewb>is probably better than godaddy
18:39<squircle>anything is better than godaddy (within reason)
18:40*path has been liking
18:41<squircle>i use, mostly 'cause they're friendly, canadian and cheap (in that order)
18:41<jacob>+1 to
18:41*JshWright scrolls up
18:41*JshWright keeps scrolling...
18:42<path> has the privacy stuff plus they have pretty nice security settings
18:42<path>like emailing you when you login
18:42<JshWright>what sparked the random registrar conversation?
18:42<path>or log in
18:42<blognewb>path: is it cheaper than namecheap
18:42<jacob>yeah, though the whois privacy isn't free for much longer unless your domains were grandfathered in (and you religiously use their promo code)
18:43<jacob>still, they have great customer service
18:43<path>blognewb: i don't know. check their site. i've used a few different ones and i like them. they are cheaper than godaddy i know.
18:43<jacob>nothing will be much cheaper than $9.99 now that verisign bumped up their rates.
18:44<path>they all make it cheap for the first year and then increase on the second one
18:44<path>it's almost worth paying for five years at a time
18:44*Demonicpagan needs to figure out how to handle his cpu spikage w apache
18:44<sirpengi>squircle: hover is cheap? I was looking at prices the other day and it looked pretty pricey to me
18:45<path>!library apache
18:45<linbot>path: timed out
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18:45<jacob>it is a sad day when the linode bot is unable to access its own libary :P
18:45<sirpengi>Demonicpagan: if your cpu usage is still high after stopping apache, I'd have to say it's not apache causing it
18:46<Demonicpagan>it's the only thing pulling the most cpu under top
18:46<squircle>sirpengi: they include domain privacy and amazing support for free, have a nice interface, use Tucows (they're actually a division of Tucows) and they're Canadian (plus 10% (i think) off with the coupon code TNT)
18:47<squircle>sirpengi: if you register a domain without email addresses, their prices are competitive (I assume they make their money by selling you 5 email addresses for $60/year) but they don't upsell/scam like GoDaddy et. al.
18:48<@caker>hover's interface sucks balls.
18:49<squircle>yeah... it does.
18:50<@caker>who else wants to help test the new Linode Manager 2.OOHH?
18:50<sirpengi>I dunno, $15 is like, 66% more than what I'm paying for now
18:50<jacob>caker: woah, what? i'd be interested
18:50<sirpengi>caker: any prerequisites for being a tester?
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18:51<@caker>sirpengi: human?
18:51<@caker>sirpengi: check invites
18:51<jacob>caker: danke
18:52<blognewb>oK. Looks like namecheap has whois privacy inclusive in the 10$
18:52<sirpengi>caker: invites?
18:52<JshWright>IRC invites
18:52<@caker>sirpengi: ya - irc invites (prob in your status window?)
18:52<Yaakov>caker: My iPhone 4 won't activate!
18:52<sirpengi>I sees
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18:53<@caker>Yaakov: :(
18:53<Yaakov>caker: I think it will be sorted tomorrow. My old phone still i's.
18:53<Yaakov>But wow, the 4 is keen.
18:54<@caker>I want to racecars
18:54*caker is racecaring
18:55*Pryon is carebearing
18:56*mau is minecrafting.
18:59<blognewb>Oh hell.. so this is the guy who created peopleofwalmart
19:00<linbot>SelfishMan: timed out
19:00<Yaakov>urmom timed out.
19:00<blognewb>he doesnt look 23 at all. if he is then im 9
19:01<Tiven>hey HoopyCat are you there?
19:01<Tiven>highlight me when u see this! :D
19:01<Tiven>i finally figured it out
19:01<Tiven>the thing with ufw
19:01<Tiven>it was what you said (again ^^)
19:01<Tiven>i had to manually edit the rules file
19:01<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
19:01<Tiven>and place the rule above "allow 80"
19:01<mau>I was thinking in selling domains. Around $9.50 and with a pretty awesome interface with no price increasing or ads/upselling.
19:01<tjfontaine>hoopy cat the nose knows
19:02<Tiven>caker :p
19:02<@caker>mau: good luck with $0.50 margins
19:02<mau>caker, yeah. :/
19:02<Tiven>anyway, now im trying to figure out subnet ip masks
19:02<HoopyCat>Tiven: that should fix it
19:02<Tiven>for example, i want to ban the first 2 sections of an ip... what do i add after the slash ?
19:03<HoopyCat>Tiven: will match through
19:03<mau>caker, I could probably get a $1 margin but lets not forget the payment taxes.
19:03<Tiven>the ip is for example, i want to block everything after 127.0
19:03<Tiven>so 16 is what im looking for huh?
19:03<HoopyCat>Tiven: each octet is eight bits, so the first two octets would be 16
19:04<Tiven>thanks again hoopy :)
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19:04<HoopyCat>np :-)
19:04<tjfontaine>hoopie isn't the best nickname
19:04<mau>Well, I could probably make it a $12 per domain but never increase prices and make a great simple interface.
19:05<HoopyCat>mau: good luck on negative margins in 6 years :-)
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19:05<tjfontaine>be a loss leader
19:06<mau>HoopyCat, you think they will keep increasing the prices?
19:06<HoopyCat>mau: verisign ain't a charity, yo. they got shareholders
19:06<tjfontaine>sell them at $5 but charge $20 for management changes
19:07<mau>tjfontaine, no thanks.
19:07<@caker>require all changes via FAX
19:07<tjfontaine>notarized snail mail
19:07<mau>...why complicate that?
19:07<HoopyCat>caker: remember the ol' internic e-mail forms? i almost preferred fax...
19:08<tjfontaine>your choices are, be a loss leader or be the same as everyone else
19:08<@caker>HoopyCat: I do, indeed. You could also squat on as many domains as you wanted because they reserved them for weeks for you before timing out due to non-payment
19:08<@caker>which I took advantage of quite a bit
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19:10<mau>caker, you bastard!
19:10<mau>It's because of you that the world is like it is.
19:10<mau>With oil spills and crap.
19:11<HoopyCat>caker: hell, i squatted on one or two for *years* before they thought about charging for them at all
19:12<blognewb> coupon
19:12<HoopyCat>i believe the best evidence that inverse time travel will not be possible during my lifetime is that i did not show up in 1990 with a list of domains to squat on
19:12<mau>HoopyCat, or bought the domain?
19:12<sirpengi>mau: what's your timeline for finishing such a service? because I'm in the market for a place to move my domains to
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19:13<mau>sirpengi, trust me. Don't hold your breath.
19:13<blognewb>do you get more hate mail than bp
19:13<HoopyCat>mau: i'd probably let the .coms develop naturally, but squattage upon the .net and .org wouldn't raise too much suspicion while still yielding profits unheard of
19:14<mau>HoopyCat, hmmm, nice. Lets get together, build a time machine and conquer the past in the name of the future. Our future.
19:15<mau>Anyways, the idea was to make a service where it would be pretty simple to create and manage domains. No upselling, coupons, ads or crap like that.
19:15<HoopyCat>mau: i do think the key is in the 2 - major time points created on opposite sides of earth; there's likely some synergy possible
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19:17<linbot>HoopyCat: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS20401; ASN owner: Hostway Corporation; ASN reg: 2001-05-03; Abuse contact:; Net owner: Affinity Internet, Inc; City: Fort Lauderdale; State: Florida; Postal code: 33309; Country: US; Domains: 199;
19:18<HoopyCat>figures; if it were on a linode, it'd be a time... uhh... object with 36 surfaces
19:19<mau>But it's not worth it, like caker said, with a $1 margin I would need to sell around 500 domains per month, thats 10000 domains in use per year.
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19:20<pharaun>mau: sell,,, problem solved ;)
19:21<mau>pharaun, that would be a one time profit.
19:21<HoopyCat>mau: if there were money there, caker'd be on it like pigs in a goat
19:21<mau>Besides, I'm pretty sure they are already in use.
19:21<Demonicpagan>caker: consider me in
19:21<TheJoe>HoopyCat: That's an odd analogy
19:21<HoopyCat>mau: that man can smell profit like honey in a breeze
19:21<mau>HoopyCat, that pretty much explains why linode doesn't sell domains.
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19:23<blognewb>wow wtf is that site all about
19:24<mau>blognewb, don't read it you maniac!
19:24<mau>That site makes people's brains explode!
19:24<blognewb>well i dont have time to read it
19:25<blognewb>i hope there is a separation of church and physics at least
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19:27<linbot>squircle: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS8560; ASN owner: 1&1 Internet AG; ASN reg: 1997-10-23; Country: DE; Domains: 1;
19:28<linbot>squircle: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS8560; ASN owner: 1&1 Internet AG; ASN reg: 1997-10-23; Abuse contact:; Net owner: 1&1 Internet Inc.; City: Collegeville; State: Pennsylvania; Postal code: 19426; Country: US; Domains: 74;
19:28<squircle>yay for shared hosting
19:30<squircle>somebody's brute-forcing my SSH honeypot from a shared host
19:30<mau>Abuse contact:; ?
19:30<Pryon>yay AllowUsers
19:30<squircle>as a former customer of 1&1 *ahem*
19:31<squircle>Pryon: key words: "SSH honeypot"
19:31<mau>Use keys.
19:31<squircle>I do. again: "SSH honeypot"
19:32<HoopyCat>detect the BRUCEFORCE and reroute it to a simulated environment that simulates a great success but, in reality, does nothing but provide you a means to extract stratergy
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19:52<Demonicpagan>.... geez... can't get this cpu usage down :\
19:54<squircle>Demonicpagan: you sure it's apache?
19:54<HoopyCat>Demonicpagan: how high is it?
19:54<Demonicpagan>over 200%
19:56<HoopyCat>pastebin ps auxwww, along with vmstat 1 30? (the latter will take 30 seconds)
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19:59<blognewb>jacob: no longer offers free whois privacy?
20:00<jacob>blognewb: it's $2.99/yr/domain right now, and i believe they'll be going up to $7.99. if you sign in to existing domains and manually renew using "FREEWHOIS" you can renew indefinitely for free, though.
20:00<jacob>actually I think it's $1.99.
20:01<blognewb>"the DNS updates from namecheap I see are under 20 minutes. took over 24 hours, maybe's thats changed."
20:02<HoopyCat>Demonicpagan: so i think you've been pwned
20:02<Demonicpagan>how so?
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20:03<HoopyCat>Demonicpagan: you have two frantically-spinning processes, both owned by www-data: bjork and /sbin/syslogd. bjork may well be legit, but dang if /sbin/syslogd running as www-data looks like a wolf wearing a sheep costume to hide in a henhouse
20:04<Demonicpagan>and how do i fix?
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20:04<Battousai>kill the processes, go into maintenance mode and plug the hole your attacker used (clearly a web app)
20:05<Demonicpagan>have no idea what that would be ....
20:05<Demonicpagan>don't know where the whole is
20:05<Battousai>then reinstall
20:05<NotInternat>given you have no idea what the hacker/scriptkiddie could have done.. pretty sure its reintall time
20:06<Demonicpagan>what am i reinstalling?
20:06<HoopyCat>wait, where's the web server?
20:06<Battousai>if you don't have the expertise needed to find what the problem was (and wipe away all the resulting damage) just start your system over
20:06<Battousai>there's a lot of weird stuff happening in that ps list
20:06<HoopyCat>(aside from... apparently being installed by webmin)
20:06<Battousai>this one stood out to me too: www-data 4221 0.0 0.0 2424 1068 ? S Aug04 0:00 sendmail: accepting connections
20:07<HoopyCat>Battousai: ITYM sendmail: accepting connections ? ssstt
20:07<HoopyCat>Demonicpagan: so, uhh, what should be running on this thing and who should be having access?
20:07<ajmitch>looks mildly suspicious
20:08<naxxfish>there's a lot of suspect stuff in there ... i'm guessing it's being used a shell server
20:08*ajmitch wonders what netstat would show for listening processes
20:09<@ericoc>that is a huge list of processes o.O
20:09<Battousai>of course, maybe it was all just a matter of webmin being horribly broken during package management
20:09<Demonicpagan>apache2, mailserver, mysql, postgres, eggdrops, couple perl idle rpg bots, can't remember what else, but i only have root access
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20:09<HoopyCat>Demonicpagan: there is a lot of stuff going on here and if you don't say "hosting two IRC servers and seven eggdrop bots" i'm probably going to pull the fire alarm
20:09<blognewb>thank you jacob. 2.99 on top of how much?
20:09<Demonicpagan>i have a couple ircds, yes
20:10<ajmitch>the same one that had a backdoor in it for awhile? :)
20:10<HoopyCat>Demonicpagan: ok, just wanted to make sure there wasn't a complete lovefest going on here. :-)
20:10<Demonicpagan>i got one not infected
20:11<HoopyCat>Demonicpagan: what is "bjork"?
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20:11<Demonicpagan>i dunno
20:11<naxxfish>(and more to the point, why is it in /usr/sbin
20:11<HoopyCat>(and if anyone says an icelandic singer-songwriter, i'll kill them)
20:11<@ericoc>furthermore, what is bjork and why is it using 99.7% CPU
20:12<naxxfish>ohhh look
20:12<ajmitch>google shows some interesting info about it
20:12<Battousai>yeah i just found that too
20:12*HoopyCat googles /usr/sbin/bjork; jaw hits floor as first hit is this very pastebin
20:12<Battousai>time to destroy your system and start over it seems
20:12<ajmitch>HoopyCat: google knows all
20:12<HoopyCat>HOW DOES IT... nevermind
20:13<Demonicpagan>can't afford to restart system
20:13<jacob>blognewb: $1.99 on top of normal registration fees.
20:13<Battousai>then get very good at diagnosing and removing security vulnerabilities very fast
20:13<ajmitch>Demonicpagan: can you afford for it to be completely blocked at some point?
20:13<naxxfish>at very least you'll want to take your servers offline
20:13<HoopyCat>Demonicpagan: good news is that the linode abuse desk will assist you with getting motivated by setting deadlines, should that scanner start scanning vigorously
20:14<HoopyCat>the fact that it is in /usr/sbin is Very Bad
20:14<Kos>haha yeah that's pretty effed
20:15*naxxfish is reading the code for it at at the moment
20:15<ajmitch>HoopyCat: that one is a fun read, it explains the /sbin/syslogd as well
20:15<blognewb>jacob: "manually renew using "FREEWHOIS" you can renew indefinitely for free, though." -> you mean the whois privacy is just a one time fee or.. did i not get what you were implying?
20:16<jacob>blognewb: whois privacy is $1.99 per year per domain. the coupon code removes the fee for the *first* year, and as far as I can tell you can keep reusing it on domains if you've previously had free whois.
20:17<naxxfish>actually I've seen that bot before - had a small net of them that suddenly appeared on my ircd a while back
20:17<naxxfish>ha, cute, it doesn't respond to signals :p
20:18<Demonicpagan>lookin in /usr/sbin i have no bjork o.O
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20:19<naxxfish>i think it picks a random name to give the process
20:19<naxxfish>so it won't nececarily be where it looks like it is
20:19<ajmitch>it can rewrite what shows up in the output of ps
20:19<naxxfish>my @ps = ("/usr/sbin/bjork","/usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -DSSL","/sbin/syslogd","[bjork]","/sbin/klogd -c 1 -x -x","/usr/sbin/acpid","/usr/sbin/cron","[httpds]","/usr/sbin/httpd","[bash]");
20:19<naxxfish>$processo = $ps[rand scalar @ps];
20:20<ajmitch>you can probably find out where it actually lives with lsof or similar tools
20:21<Battousai>nobody show this code to mikegrb. he would have a perl aneurysm
20:21<naxxfish>given what it is, and the user it is running as, it's highly likely someone RFI'd a web app and it's running from there
20:21<@jed>the /usr/sbin is concerning
20:21<Kos>it's not in /usr/sbin/
20:21<Kos>it looks like it is
20:21<Kos>but it's forking it with that command
20:21<Battousai>could be in /tmp, or /var/www, etc
20:22<HoopyCat>Demonicpagan: yeah, it's just making it look like it's hiding there (like it looks like it's /sbin/syslogd). may not be as panic-worthy as i thought. :-)
20:22<@jed>yeah, now I see - just came in late
20:22<Kos>basically, I'd just kill everything owned by www-data
20:22<Kos>for an immediate fix
20:22<naxxfish>and shutdown apache :p
20:22<Kos>but that's not really all htat interesting
20:23<HoopyCat>so, i think we can safely proceed to tonight's main program, Which Shitty PHP App Got Exploited Anyway?
20:23<pharaun>and let's add on a sub-program named - "Watch the shitty php app get exploited in realtime"
20:23<HoopyCat>drew carey will be performed by jed
20:23<Battousai>does jed wear fake glasses?
20:23<HoopyCat>tjfontaine will reprise his role as bob barker
20:24*tjfontaine manifests
20:24<Kos>Demonicpagan: kill any rogue processes owned by www-data
20:24<Kos>verify that infact there is nothing in /usr/bin/
20:24<naxxfish>(you'll need to kill -9 as it won't listen to anything else)
20:24<Kos>then look through your apache logs like a hawk
20:24<tjfontaine>zombie zombie zombie eh eh eh eh
20:25<HoopyCat>GET OUT!
20:26<ajmitch>exorcism time?
20:26*linbot grabs the flashlight with the dodgy batteries and goes to investigate the basement
20:26*jed grabs the fleshlight with the dodgy batteries and puts it in the flashlight holder
20:26*jed walks away
20:27<blognewb>Is any good?
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20:28<HoopyCat>jed: they make them battery-powered now? *checks amazon prime*
20:28<Battousai>they sell those on amazon?
20:28*tjfontaine pets Battousai
20:29<Battousai>the jfontaine
20:29<Kos>Demonicpagan: if you do a `ls -lah /proc/<pid of bjork or something else>`
20:29<@jed>HoopyCat: shows you how much I know, I assumed they had batteries
20:29<@jed>i.e., That They Did Something
20:29<@jed>you're saying they don't?
20:29<@jed>how boring.
20:29<tjfontaine>you do the something kiddo
20:29<@jed>well I realize that
20:30<HoopyCat>jed: you're the man, you do the work
20:31<Demonicpagan>Kos: did that and don't understand the output
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20:31<Kos>look for cwd
20:31<Kos>if you listed it, cwd will be a soft link to the directory it originated from
20:31<Demonicpagan>lrwxrwxrwx 1 www-data www-data 0 Aug 9 19:30 cwd -> /
20:31<Kos>nevermind then
20:32<Kos>likely all it is is some vulnerable web script, you shouldn';t have much of an issue whiping it out
20:32*Demonicpagan tries a dif pid
20:32*Kos goes to eat dinner
20:33<HoopyCat>i think you meant "wiping it out"
20:34<@caker>How do we sleep while our beds are burning?
20:34<eadams>yeah, whipping it out isn't appropriate in this channel
20:35<HoopyCat>speaking of which, i think i need to whip out some python for awhile
20:35*caker whips out his python
20:36*tjfontaine rises
20:36<eadams>hot python on python action
20:36*linbot returns from the basement
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20:36<tjfontaine>buh bye
20:37<tjfontaine>I think it's amazing that these bots are still hitting
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20:42<ajmitch>tjfontaine: why is it amazing?
20:42<tjfontaine>ajmitch: because it's days after the initial attack
20:43<@ericoc>there was an initial attack?
20:43<pharaun>exploited via shitty php scripts?
20:43<tjfontaine>not that you guys saw in any particular verbal fashion
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20:45<tjfontaine>pharaun: I don't know I haven't investigated it to any extent
20:45<tjfontaine>I know how to identify and remove them, that's what counts :)
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20:50<pharaun>tjfontaine: aha heh
20:58<Demonicpagan>found it
20:59<Demonicpagan> <- bjork
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21:01<Battousai>you spelled stealth wrong
21:01<Demonicpagan>yes, i know
21:01<Demonicpagan>it's on purpose
21:01<tjfontaine>do you?
21:01<tjfontaine>Battousai: I don't believe him
21:01<Battousai>everybody says it's on purpose after the domain is registered
21:01<Battousai>such as google
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21:01<tjfontaine>or fark
21:02<tjfontaine>the k and t are so close together
21:02<Battousai>especially during the indigestion jitters
21:02<pharaun>tjfontaine: yes they are!
21:02<tjfontaine>also for as many times as I've typed it I'm convinced caker typoed: Lindoe
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21:08<encode>i registered a domain containing the string 'arbitary' before I realised it was spelt incorrectly
21:08<mwalling>you mwalling'd it
21:09<encode>and of course, the same domain with 'arbitrary' was already registered
21:10<@jed>we need an acro bot in #linode
21:11<@jed>a bot comes up with acronyms, people msg what they think it should be, then there's voting on which one is awesome
21:11<@jed>the dirtier and uglier the better
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21:12<@jed>old school IRC game
21:12<pharaun>what about buzz word bingo?
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21:12<mwalling>with shots
21:13<encode> <-- fun
21:13<avar>jed: I could also just make failo join this channel
21:14*tjfontaine [re]shared that on reader today
21:15<@jed>Github? More like a billion monkeys in Africa.
21:16<avar>I have a random quote from that in /etc/profile
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21:35<blognewb>jacob: hey can i bother you for one last time? ;-DD
21:36<jacob>blognewb: sure
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21:40<blognewb_>i think i got disconnected sorry
21:41<blognewb_>did my question go through :S
21:41<mwalling>you asked jacob if you could bother him, he said sure
21:41<blognewb_>mwalling: swear?
21:41<mwalling>check for your self then
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21:44<blognewb>fucque this
21:44<blognewb>i was gonna ask what was the longest time you had to wait for to update the dns changes you made
21:46<jacob>blognewb: NS changes were instant on their end, DNS propagation takes longer (though if you use a fast DNS provider it's usually around 5 minutes)
21:47<blognewb>whos responsible for providing dns?
21:47<blognewb>i hope that wasnt a stupid question
21:47<squircle>blognewb: you are :)
21:47<blognewb>squircle: you are funny
21:47<mwalling>hes right
21:47<sirpengi>well, your computer is
21:47<jacob>blognewb: well, yes, but by DNS provider I meant your ISP, OpenDNS, Google's DNS, or anything else you use for your normal connection
21:48<squircle>thanks mwalling; at least somebody humours me
21:48<blognewb>i was gonna say "shared webhost" but since were on linode and talking specifics
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21:49<jacob>i've been able to get domains registered and online in about three minutes. it just depends on how fast your ISP or local DNS is.
21:49<squircle>I think end users can now refresh OpenDNS's cache for some domains
21:49<blognewb>jacob: with as ns?
21:49<jacob>keep in mind Linode's 15-minute update cycles though, you still need to wait on that
21:50<squircle>I still don't like how they poison's dns entry though
21:50<jacob>blognewb: with linode nameservers
21:50<jacob>squircle: I don't like that either, the cache thing is handy though
21:50*jacob is using
21:50<pharaun>squircle: uh poison google?
21:50<squircle>pharaun: run `dig @`; it points to
21:51<jacob>pharaun: opendns proxies searches through their own servers to make sure that it isn't toolbar traffic or something.
21:51<squircle>jacob: i'm using Google DNS too because they don't poison DNS
21:51<squircle>jacob: didn't know that was the reason why. why bother proxying it like that?
21:51<pharaun>what's wrong with toolbar traffic?
21:52<jacob>squircle: let me try to find the blog post on it
21:52<mwalling>jacob: i think you're confusing concepts...
21:52<mwalling>jacob: the 15 minute refresh time only applies to the authorative servers
21:52<squircle>jacob: thanks
21:52<mwalling>jacob: if he's using as his authorative server, linode's dont apply.
21:52<squircle>thanks jacob!
21:53<blognewb>mwalling: what is an authorative or authoritative server?
21:53<blognewb>is that synonymous with NS or DNS?
21:53<jacob>mwalling: perhaps I am -- I'm talking about waiting up to 15 minutes for DNS changes to take effect (new domains and changing records)
21:53<jacob>on linode's dns manager anyway
21:53<pharaun>jacob: aha interesting
21:53<mwalling>jacob: but his first question to you was about
21:54<jacob>mwalling: I was writing that before he asked about it: check the timestamps ;)
21:54<blognewb>ok so it's DNS thats authoritativce
21:54<jacob>it was in continuation of my previous message
21:55<blognewb>whats the difference between DNS and NS alone
21:55<mwalling>[08-09] 21:44:45 < blognewb> i was gonna ask what was the longest time you had to wait for to update the dns changes you made
21:55<mwalling>[08-09] 21:49:59 < jacob> keep in mind Linode's 15-minute update cycles though, you still need to wait on that
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21:55<pharaun>hehe i got the same too :-p
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21:56<jacob>mwalling: right, and I answered that in the message before the one you're talking about, was adding additional info. :) anyway, not a big deal.
21:56<pharaun>only mine is about 5 second difference
21:57<mwalling>jacob: also, there is no "fast" provider
21:58<jacob>mwalling: "fast" as in how long they cache entries. my ISP's DNS takes up to a day to serve new domains. you get the point.
21:58<mwalling>cache expiration is specified in the TTL
21:59<jacob>mwalling: perhaps my ISP has very ignorant DNS servers then. just based on what I've experienced.
22:09<amitz>say, is there a linbot command to check if a certain IP address in in DNSBL(?) or something likethat?
22:09<mwalling>no, but works
22:10<amitz>ooh, thx
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22:11<tjfontaine>zomg fail
22:11<amitz>because I'm very curious why all email from a certain supposedly legit company always go to spam folder, without exception.
22:12<blognewb>hey bros please stop fighting over me
22:13<amitz>despite not registered in DNSBL.
22:13<@Perihelion>I started a new session on accident
22:13<amitz>a new session of 3rd life.
22:13<amitz>or a new session of dream extracting.
22:14<amitz>yes, it will be a long time before I become tired of this inception premise.
22:14<@Perihelion>A new screen session?
22:15<@Perihelion>Normally I log in and hit the up arrow to resume screen
22:15<@Perihelion>This time the command to start it was there :3
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22:15<amitz>yeah, why don't they allow nested screen -_-
22:16<@Perihelion>The problem is easily solved if I stop watching what people are doing outside :P
22:16<tjfontaine>is there a car wash across the street?
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22:17<@Perihelion>No, there are some people shouting in the woods
22:17<@Perihelion>They're yelling about money
22:17<amitz>"Get Out Perihelion, and pay!"
22:18<@Perihelion>They should pay me for having to listen to their blathering
22:19<linbot>New news from forums: SMF Mod Installations in General Discussion <>
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22:24<amitz>Is that mean linode office near woods? hmm
22:24<linbot>New news from forums: Memcached users - Looking for some Guinea Pigs in General Discussion <>
22:24<encode>Perihelion: wouldn't it be more efficient to resume screen as your ssh command, rather than starting a new instance of $SHELL just to resume screen?
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22:25<amitz>we have an upper hand here...
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22:25<@Perihelion>Not always
22:26<@jed>encode: with -tt, maybe
22:26<HoopyCat>some days you have the upper hand, other days you have the upper deck
22:26<@Perihelion>I've never tried it in fairness, but there are times that I ssh and do other things
22:27<amitz>yay, new vocab but uh.. -_-
22:27<mwalling>alias s='screen -DR'
22:27<encode>jed: with two t's ?
22:27<encode>i usually do ssh -t <hostname> screen -rd
22:28<@jed>I do -tt out of habit
22:28<encode>which i realise will fail if there is no screen session to be resumed
22:28<@jed>to tell it I'm serious
22:28<@Perihelion>Effort :>
22:28<@Perihelion>I don't care *that* much
22:28<mwalling>Perihelion: s
22:28<hobot>like a boss
22:28<@jed>I just learned about !! today, so
22:28<@jed>every day learn something new
22:29<hobot>!! is the fing best
22:29<mwalling>Perihelion: all you have to do, and it will even create a new screen if it cant connect to an existing one
22:29<encode>i don't know what !! does
22:29<hobot>previous command
22:29<hobot>so sudo !!
22:29<@jed>vim /something/foo
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22:29<@jed>sudo !!
22:29<hobot>the best
22:29<hobot>technically you only have to do up ctrl a but meh
22:29<hobot>sudo !! is way nicer
22:29<@jed>if you do: cp something /some/deep/directory, Alt+. will type /some/deep/directory, too
22:29<@Perihelion>s seems dumb...I know I'd enter that accidently somehow
22:29<encode>what a brilliant idea. let's run a command I got off irc with root privileges before I work out what it will do
22:30<mwalling>Perihelion: so what, you cant circular connect to screens
22:30<@jed>or can you
22:30<mwalling>Perihelion: nothing bad happens
22:30<encode>but now that I do know what it does, !! is super cool
22:30<hobot>lol jen
22:30<@jed>I N C E P T I O N
22:30<encode>what's wrong with pressing up and enter though?
22:30<mwalling>shutup jed
22:30<hobot>I just zoomed windows into 800% because of alt +
22:30<hobot>thankls bro
22:30<hobot>how do I escape
22:30<linbot>find /home/mwalling -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
22:30<mwalling>encode: ^^
22:30<mwalling>thats whats wrong with pressing up and enter
22:31<HoopyCat>also, "sudo !!" is a little too russian for my tastes
22:31<jeremyb>encode, jed: i do -t user@host screen -UxRR -e ^ba -S sessionname
22:31<@Perihelion>I don't do anything like that from that account though
22:31<@Perihelion>So it's pretty safe to press up and enter
22:31<hobot>HoopyCat: I dont get it
22:31<sirpengi>encode: hands need to leave the home row to reach the arrows?
22:31<HoopyCat>hobot: there's a bullet in one of the chambers; will today be the day you sudo !! the wrong thing?
22:32<hobot>I always do the right thing, dont worry
22:32<hobot>also I can see the previous command
22:32<encode>mwalling: how would that have been avoided by using !! ?
22:32<hobot>and then it makes me put in my password
22:32<hobot>so I have a lot of time to stop it
22:32<mwalling>encode: oh, you're on the !!, i thought you were with the screen reaqttaching thing
22:32<amitz>I find !sudo to be the most dangerous of all :-p
22:33<pharaun>amitz: nah sudo rm -rf /
22:33<hobot>you mean ! as bang
22:33<hobot>ok I got it
22:33<pharaun>is more dangerous :-p
22:33<hobot>im really smart
22:33<amitz>pharaun: well, at least you have time to realize what you're typing on that, but not with !sudo :-p
22:34<encode>mwalling: right. I can see how the confusion could have arisen
22:34<amitz>which basically means run the last sudo command.
22:34<pharaun>amitz: true :)
22:34<pharaun>amitz: ohh nasty
22:35<amitz>and is it just me or I try to explicitly set things I want to delete as an absolute path, not relative, to prevent accidental (up arrow tapping or !) and enter.
22:36<amitz>especially if the folder I delete is a folder of common name, or something with * on it.
22:36<hobot>I always do absolute path with deleting in case im stupid
22:37<@caker>rm -rf / path/to/file<return>
22:37<linbot>find /home/mwalling -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
22:37<amitz>there are always stupid moments.
22:37<mwalling>^^ failzmore
22:37<amitz>caker: heh
22:37<path>alias rm="rm -i"
22:37<encode>rm -rf should be smart enough to never recurse from /
22:37<opello>without a hard coded "are you sure..."]
22:37<tjfontaine>if the file is open by another process then /proc/<pid>/fd# is your savior
22:37<hobot>I use tab completion as well
22:37<pharaun>caker: i did that once, but luckly it didn't commit "yet" to the other disk on the mdadm array and a power pull and re-plug...... somehow it came all back
22:37<hobot>because I am lazy
22:37<encode>it's clearly the stupid utility's fault that i deleted the filesystem, not my fault at all
22:37<opello>require expect to automate that crap :)
22:38*tjfontaine has deleted disk images of running virtual machiens before
22:38<encode>i always tab complete for recursive rm
22:39<HoopyCat>pharaun: don't worry, they now have batteries to ensure you can't unfuck it before it unscrews your head and... wait, wrong movie quote
22:39<pharaun>that was the day that i swore forever by backups
22:39<encode>tjfontaine: esx locks disk images of running VMs, fortunately
22:39<jeremyb>you could also start with `echo foo bar baz` and then s/echo/rm -rf/ once you're happy with the args
22:39<pharaun>HoopyCat: hahaha! yeah it was mdadm/softraid so that saved my arse
22:39<pharaun>oh on an unrelated note, just got a brand new 2tb external for more backup wee!
22:40<HoopyCat>pharaun: just keep that mounted all the time so you can keep it continually fresh ;-)
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22:40<tjfontaine>encode: not over nfs :P
22:40<pharaun>HoopyCat: >_> you are evil
22:40<tjfontaine>well it "does"
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22:41<encode>tjfontaine: oh. I've never run a VM over nfs before. Only FC/iSCSI
22:41<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: VM image over NFS?! wait, did you set up sli---uhh, another VPS provider that has regrettable I/O performance?
22:42<tjfontaine>there's only two hosts each with their own dedicated gigabit links to the nfs server
22:42<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: oh, gigabit? ok, that's not so bad
22:42<encode>a lot of people seem to be convinced nfs to offer better performance than vmfs on top of iscsi
22:43<tjfontaine>performance is less than using builtin, but easier to move nodes around
22:43<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: as long as the floppy is reasonably free of bad sectors so the drive doesn't keep chunking over it, life's good
22:43<tjfontaine>encode: I like being able to back up images without forking over a ton to vmware
22:44<encode>i read people use netapp's built in de-dupe along with other fancy features transparently to esx, by running their VMs over nfs
22:44<tjfontaine>one of my take over the world ideas is to add de-dupe to btrfs
22:44<encode>tjfontaine: ahh well. I'm not the one buying the vmware license, not my concern
22:44*tjfontaine works for places with 0 budget
22:44<encode>vmware data recovery appliance is still fairly buggy
22:44<pharaun>atleast are they on ups? :-p
22:44<@jed>tjfontaine: it's there, isn't it?
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22:45<encode>most places i know still back up within the VM
22:45<tjfontaine>jed: not when I wanted it
22:45<tjfontaine>pharaun: ups and natural gas generator at one, ups and multiple diesel generators at the DC for the other
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22:45<tjfontaine>encode: I still do backuppc
22:46<tjfontaine>having full images though to bootstrap into are nice as well
22:46<pharaun>tjfontaine: ah, nice, *at least* it is on a ups... unlike something i had to use recently *sigh* -_-
22:46<tjfontaine>pharaun: I had a double disk failure in the middle of a ups failure *once*
22:46<tjfontaine>they now have a generator :)
22:46<pharaun>tjfontaine: hehe
22:47<pharaun>tjfontaine: sad thing is they have an ups and a generator but it wasn't being used for the san or the vm server*s*.... *sigh* atleast they finally moved it over to be ran on the ups
22:47<HoopyCat>don't forget bad batteries in the UPS
22:47<tjfontaine>jed: you have link for brtfs dedupe?
22:47<tjfontaine>pharaun: boo
22:48<@jed>tjfontaine: no, I was misinformed
22:48<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: aye, that was my failure
22:48<tjfontaine>jed: ok
22:48<@jed>I thought it was in there but it was "planned for a future release"
22:48<HoopyCat>every three years, whether they need it or not
22:48<HoopyCat>every five years, they really do need it
22:48<pharaun>tjfontaine: indeed, it was always fun to come in and find all of my vm dead *sigh*
22:48<@jed>then I got reading about hans reiser
22:48<@jed>every time I read about filesystems in linux I inevitably click Hans Reiser
22:48<tjfontaine>as bd_ informed it already does an initial cheap crc that is attached to a block that can be used for a first pass
22:49<tjfontaine>pharaun: you have a sick definition of fun :P
22:49<HoopyCat>every six years, after the inconveniently-timed interruption to power, followed ten minutes after commercial power comes back by the tragically brief interruption of retransfer...
22:49<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: heh
22:49<pharaun>tjfontaine: hey it wasn't my idea of fun :-p
22:49<HoopyCat>apparently, it took about a week for the SAN to unhork itself
22:50<HoopyCat>they speak of it as The Rebuild
22:50<pharaun>HoopyCat: i'm surprised that the SAN for our vm servers has not committed suicide -_-
22:51<HoopyCat>pharaun: turns out this one is built for such high-intensity tasks as video and bulk file storage
22:52<HoopyCat>pharaun: not for, say, storing mail spools
22:53<HoopyCat>"guess where the next block is! ha ha, you guessed wrong"
22:53<pharaun>HoopyCat: that made me think of :-p
22:54*encode would have plenty to say on the subject of SAN failures, were it not for a number of NDA's preventing him from doing so
22:54<HoopyCat>pharaun: Ha! Ha! I'm requesting a completely different file.
22:55<pharaun>HoopyCat: exactly!
22:56<HoopyCat>pharaun: Ha! Ha! The mail spool filesystem is NTFS.
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22:56<pharaun>HoopyCat: with 1mb blocksize :-p
22:56<HoopyCat>pharaun: Ha! Ha! The filesystem hasn't been defragged since I got bored over Christmas in 2003.
22:57<pharaun>HoopyCat: stress relieving a little there ? :-p
22:57<amitz>encode: I hate you. It's complicated :-p
22:58<jeremyb>tjfontaine: have you considered zfs+dedupe?
22:58<jeremyb>either some solaris or variant or maybe debian/kfreebsd
22:59<jeremyb>(d/kbsd doesn't have nfs yet aiui)
22:59*pharaun is happy about at least being allowed to have a linux laptop at work, brings a whole world of sanity to my daily life :-p
22:59<tjfontaine>jeremyb: is there pvops in kbsd yet?
22:59<jeremyb>tjfontaine: not a clue
22:59<pharaun>jeremyb: i thought zfs was a toy on linux
22:59<jeremyb>pharaun: i'm not talking about linux?
22:59<pharaun>jeremyb: doh :-p
22:59<tjfontaine>jeremyb: I've tried multipel times the patches to do pv_grub and debian-kfreebsd but have so far been rebuffed :)
23:00<pharaun>i think i'm getting a little bit messed up here, probably smart to call it a night soon :-p
23:00<HoopyCat>pharaun: naw, just amazed it all still works.
23:00<HoopyCat>speaking of which, off to bed. g'nite all!
23:00<pharaun>yay just had a power flicker!! thankgod for the ups
23:00<jeremyb>tjfontaine: try #debian-kbsd? (might be slow response people are recovering from dc10 and one just went to a wedding)
23:01<pharaun>HoopyCat: haha, i suppose :)
23:01<tjfontaine>jeremyb: ok :)
23:01*jeremyb would like to know as well
23:01<pharaun><3 his new 1.8kw ups
23:02<jeremyb>how weird to be happy about dirty power... :-P
23:02<pharaun>jeremyb: hey it lets me actually use my new ups ;-p and the power is dirty as heck here, i get a bunch of flickering or dimming of lights.... scary often :(
23:03<jeremyb>where art thou?
23:03<pharaun>outside boston
23:04<pharaun>i would think it would have "clean" power but apparently it flickers here more often than it did at home in middle of bumfuck no where in colorado -_-
23:04<Alucard>I live outside Boston too and my power is pretty good
23:04<Alucard>for a slightly wider definition of outside, tho
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23:05<pharaun>Alucard: how far outside? i'm on the 495 ring
23:05<pharaun>well not ring, semi-circle to be more accurate :)
23:05<Alucard>well, so am I
23:06<Alucard>north of Concord
23:06<pharaun>i mean sure i've had worst power like a house that had 60+ years old wiring and no grounding, and a ton of.... "issues" including 2 floors on a single breaker -_-
23:06<pharaun>ah, i'm outside of lowell, just a bit south
23:07<pharaun>Alucard: you in a house or an apartment complex? i'm in an complex so i guess it could be a contributing factor but...
23:08<Alucard>maybe mine's newer
23:08<Alucard>we do get outages a couple times a month
23:08<Alucard>that's what my UPSes are for
23:08<pharaun>mine is pretty new i think 2003ish
23:09<pharaun>Alucard: yeah i used to be on a 1500va ups, just upgraded to a 2200va, and i'm pretty happy with it :)
23:10*jeremyb sleeps
23:10*Alucard frantically presses jeremyb's power buttomn *
23:10<Alucard>don't sleep! I need you~!
23:11<@jed>I had a laptop like that
23:12<pharaun>i hate laptop in which the power button would never power off it would just directly go to sleep
23:12<pharaun>and only way i could get it to power off was a battery pull ugh
23:15<pharaun>anyway i need to head off to bed
23:15<pharaun>nite all :)
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