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---Logopened Tue Aug 24 00:00:01 2010
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00:00<@array>\o/
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01:10<praetorian>!urmom
01:11<linbot>praetorian: Yo momma's so big, she knocked Mir out of orbit (805:0/6) [mmuro]
01:11<Hoggs>Well shit
01:11<Hoggs>I just ran `cp -r /path/.* ./` - not thinking it would follow ../
01:11<praetorian>nice knowing you
01:11<praetorian>oh. only a copy
01:11<Hoggs>thank fuck it wasn't rm ._.
01:12<Hoggs>I was logged in as root, too
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01:12<praetorian>typing away on my new keyboard
01:12<praetorian>its rather addicitive.
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01:13<SelfishMan>!mwalling
01:13<linbot>find /home/mwalling -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
01:13<SelfishMan>Hoggs: could be worse, you could have run that
01:14<Hoggs>hahah
01:15<Hoggs>cp -r /path/.[^.]* ./
01:15<Hoggs>yay bash
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01:19<gilaniali>are ping times significant? I mean if I am comparing two webhosts, is the one with the lower ping time better?
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01:20<Kyhwana>gilaniali: depends where it is, where you are and where most of the people accessing it will be
01:21<Kyhwana>ie, if you're hosting a NZ site, you're probably better off hosting it in NZ if most of your readers are going to be accessing it from NZ
01:21<SelfishMan>gilaniali: ping times mean nothing unless you are working with something latency sensitive
01:21<gilaniali>kyhwana: i pinged my mediatemple account and webfaction account. the webfaction account was half the time of mediatemple
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01:21<Kyhwana>Otherwise just buy whatever has the best/cheapest bandwidth/traffic
01:21<Kyhwana>gilaniali: well is one hosted in the UK and the other in the US?
01:21<Kyhwana>Or one on the west coast US and the other east coast?
01:22<SelfishMan>rtt is a small part of a standard http transaction
01:22<gilaniali>kyhwana: I am sure they are both in the US, where no idea
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01:28<darkk>Am I the only one who can't access 'Account' tab at https://old.linode.com at the moment?
01:29<amitz>2009's US.
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01:29<Hoggs>what's this old linode madness?
01:29-!-mode/#linode [-o stan_theman] by ChanServ
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01:29<Hoggs>oh hey guys
01:29<Hoggs>:D
01:30<amitz>Hoggs: it's a totem, to know if you're not dreaming.
01:30<Hoggs>looks the same as normal linode..
01:30<Hoggs>:(
01:30<SelfishMan>#linodia?
01:30<darkk>amitz, iirc, totem can't be shared.
01:32<amitz>darkk: I believe it just says that totem must be unique. But I think I've been in this dream too much, people in #linode begin to pay attention to me -_-
01:33*amitz quickly kisses someone.
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01:35<jimmybaker>how can I check the available disk space I have left for my linode? df -h?
01:36<amitz>yes jimmybaker, or you're expecting something else?
01:37<jimmybaker>amitz: I wasn't sure if by filesystem, it was talking about mine + all the others that are hosted on the server.
01:37<jimmybaker>or just my linode
01:37<Marius>I love almost oversleeping, don't you?
01:37<Marius>It makes the morning ritual that much more exciting trying ot do everything within a 5 minute window instead of 25 :P
01:38<amitz>jimmybaker: that is just for your linode.
01:39<amitz>Marius: does that morning ritual include chatting in #linode? ;-)
01:40<Marius>It does now since I have 10 minutes to spare as I missed my first buss ;P
01:41<amitz>I assume you chat on cellphone then? or you life in the bus shelter? :-p
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01:43<Marius>haha, I live 2 minutes form it and it's pouring down outside
01:43<Marius>also, my umbrella appears to have gotten feet to walk on by it self, so I will get wet
01:44<Marius>I do not like the prospects of being wet on my way to work =(
01:45<amitz>as a general rule, I don't like to wet myself on my way to anywhere. ;-)
01:46<Marius>haha, witty :P
01:48<SelfishMan>people and their umbrellas
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01:49<amitz>fish and their seller.
01:50<encode>http://www.bornrich.org/entry/brd-06-full-car-motion-simulator-has-everything-you-need-to-speed/ <-- This. I need it.
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01:52<@pparadis>http://www.ruger.com/products/sr556/specSheets/5902.html <-- This. You need it.
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01:59<SelfishMan>I could get in trouble with that thing
01:59<@pparadis>"it's just a rifle"
02:00<@pparadis>shucks
02:05<encode>yeah, I'd be likely to end up dead, or worse, if I took something like that outside in .au
02:05<encode>even if I could find a way to get it through customs
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02:17<mdcollins_>Oy, that thing is awesome..
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02:21<encode>which thing? the rifle or the car simulator?
02:24*mdcollins didn't see the car simulator
02:24<mdcollins>That is awesome too though.
02:25<encode>so is http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/c2d7d7dd-eba2-4455-b989-14d1bc2bc20d.jpg
02:26<mdcollins>>_<
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02:41<MarkJ>anyone who thinks testing knives on themselves is just asking for a Darwin award
02:41<amitz>I see no point in the car simulator tbh. I mean, why the need for the surrounding structure? I want the driving experience more, I don't need to know that there is an actual tire below me.
02:42<amitz>MarkJ: it's a pretty safe way to get a darwin award though.
02:42<amitz>as long as the cut is clean.
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02:43<MarkJ>Just depends where and how :)
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02:45<amitz>well, I seriously want to try how does it feel to cut my finger, assuming no permanent damage, and I can adjust the pain level. It must be an eye opening experience.
02:46<amitz>must definitely be done in a very controlled environment.
02:46<dcraig>just think about another time you've injured yourself
02:47<MarkJ>Like thinking about your client's latest change requests :)
02:48<dcraig>http://clientsfromhell.net/
02:48<MarkJ>One of my always-open tabs in Firefox :)
02:48<MarkJ>refresh daily each morning!
02:49<dcraig>that's funny, because your mom's always open in my tabs
02:49<MarkJ>./sigh
02:49<MarkJ>I guess you couldn't do any better
02:50<dcraig>right
02:50<dcraig>it's late
02:50<MarkJ>Get a young mom instead :)
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03:12<linbot>New news from forums: Starting afresh in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5937>
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03:26<Marius>ok, interesting question
03:26<Marius>will a .htaccess file in the www root of a site work if every god damn under-page is in it's own directory and yo uwant a custom 404?
03:26<Marius>or will I have to configure it in the apache config for that site then?
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03:31<dcraig>your .htaccess settings apply to files in subdirectories
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03:34<Marius>I just went with that apache config, for some reason the htaccess route wasn't working :P
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03:38<dcraig>do your other .htaccess settings work ok?
03:42<Marius>there are none
03:42<Marius>it's just a client wit ha silly setup =P
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03:59<linbot>New news from forums: DNS Set-up: Ubuntu 10.4, NSD, GoDaddy, twisted4life.com in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5938>
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04:38<TheJoe>!urmom
04:38<linbot>TheJoe: Yo momma's so fat, when she went to the beach, the tide came in! (829:3/0) [mrumo]
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05:54<amitz>I just realize.... Marius works.... unbelievable :-D
05:55<amitz>I must be dreaming. It's time to kill myself.
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06:05<Marius>amitz: shush you :P
06:05<Marius>want to write this EPP client for me?
06:05<Marius>I've had the baseline for it done for ages, like the communications, now I need to write in all the god awull longass xml to send
06:05<amitz>epp as in the parallel port protocol?
06:06<Marius>as in what domain registrars use to communicate with domain authoratives
06:06<amitz>oh... look at the bright side... always. :-)
06:07<Marius>but...there's so much
06:07<Marius>the login process?
06:07<amitz>Marius: what language do you make them?
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06:07<amitz>pull an authentication library somewhere :-D
06:07<Marius>the login process is 26 lines...and only 2 are for user details
06:07<Marius>php
06:08<Marius>and I don't need a library, all the libraries I found so far all only just do the communications bit, which I already wrote my self (and mine has kickass error handeling as opposed to them)
06:08<Marius>also it has to be special written since aparently the .no guys reinvented EPP for this >_> bastard norwegians
06:09<amitz>look at the bright side. Your name shall be famous if your script somehow takes down .no :-D
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06:10<gmang>so glad i got rid of linode and moved to slicehost, best decision i ever made
06:10<Marius>you have fun with that
06:11<Marius>amitz: that would be quite hilarious, especially since I know one of the guys monitoring that crap xD
06:15<Marius>oh well, let's look for similarities so I can simplify the process by reusing a variable or two :D
06:16-!-maku`off is now known as maku
06:16<gmang>caker is an openly homosexual man name chris aker who owns a hosting company that provides shitty virtual linux servers. his diagnosis of HIV has just recently turned to full blown AIDS.
06:16<@mikegrb>lolz
06:16<gmang>lol
06:16<@mikegrb>roflz
06:16<gmang>rofl
06:16<@mikegrb>lolz
06:16<gmang>lol
06:16<gmang>rofl
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06:16<Marius>I sense a disgruntled client who had his linode removed, most likely due to abuse of some sort.
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06:19<amitz>I sense I have managed to make Marius not working again :-p
06:19<amitz>forgive me, please go on with your work :-p
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06:20<Marius>but...I'm busy reading senseless websites!
06:20<Marius>xD
06:20<Marius>oooh, portal 2 trailer, with co-op I hear :o
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06:24<Marius>http://www.ons.no/index.cfm?event=doLink&famId=129627
06:24<Marius>for those interested in norway, the king or oil in general :P
06:25<amitz>I always conside norway as a weak country because I played too much L'empereur.
06:25<Marius>never heard of that, but norway ftw.
06:26<Marius>except it sucks here, but that's besides the point!
06:26<amitz>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Empereur
06:26<Marius>http://www.ons.no/index.cfm?event=doLink&famId=111623 <-- gotta love the visitor information
06:27<Marius>in bold letters "Norway can be quite expensive"
06:28<amitz>http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Indonesia :-p
06:30<Marius>I shall return to thy shortly, but first I must visit the little room designed for releaving ones bowels.
06:31<Marius>I have been watching too much big bang theory lately, I jsut finished season 3 last night xD
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06:37<Marius>I have returned.
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06:37<amitz>Marius: I have read parts of the entry. Allow me to highlight: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Indonesia#Language
06:38<amitz>Some of the entries are correct :-p
06:39<Marius>hahaha
06:39<Marius>"Security Guard" is a dialect? xD
06:40<amitz>it may not be clear but what it means is the malaysian's translation of the english intended meaning is one the last column (when translated using Indonesian language).
06:40<Marius>oh
06:40<amitz>s/one//
06:41<Marius>so the first emperor was an otaku, eh? xD
06:41<amitz>hence why Indonesian thought Malaysians speak funnily. I'm not sure about the accuracy of all entries on English -> Malay language, but all entries on Malay -> Indonesian interpretations are correct.
06:42<Marius>awesome, according ot this I'm an otaku as well xD
06:42<amitz>Marius: not otaku, it's just that the first president liked arts ...and women. Plenty of women.
06:42<Marius>the article said otaku! haha
06:43<amitz>perhaps he was into manga :-p
06:43<Marius>hehe
06:44<Jippi_moc>Does linode has plans to participate in Simple Cloud API ?
06:45<auau>Jippi_moc: I doubt so, it's a rackspace/slicehost thing
06:45<Jippi_moc>from what I can gather it's a open forum where anyone can contribute
06:46<auau>oops
06:46<auau>I am thinking of something else :)
06:47<Jippi_moc>from what I can see there is only libcloud who has support for linode, but that's in python :|
06:52<linbot>New news from forums: DNS Set-up: Unbound for local DNS resolution on Ubuntu 10.4 in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5939>
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06:57<Marius>ugh, I spot no similarities, I'll need to make a bigass function per event =(
07:05<MikeSeth>anyone from italy here by a chance?
07:16<amitz>tonyyaruss* sounds italian. :-p
07:16<amitz>blog is fun to read. Twitter won't replace blog anytime soon.
07:19<Marius>allow me to go tweet about the happenings of my day so far!
07:19<linbot>New news from forums: Server Activity via SSH in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5931>
07:22<amitz>Marius: some stories need a lot more than 140 letters.
07:22<Marius>I tweeted :3
07:26<amitz>I was reading some nice entertaining entries of a blog, too bad it's not in english -_-
07:27<Marius>hehe
07:27<Marius>you should read my tweet, then respond with something usefull to it ;P
07:28<@mikegrb>mmm cake
07:28<Marius>also, aparently mr cake is taking flying lessons? O_o
07:31<Daevien>caker has bene taking flying lessons for a while, welcome to months ago :p
07:33<Marius>well, I didn't see his twitter till now!
07:37<amitz>Marius: I have helped you. See your twitter.
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07:39<JshWright>not only is caker learing how to fly, he's also learning how to use the date() command
07:39<Marius>I replied to your reply
07:39<JshWright>http://library.linode.com/using-linux/common-commands/date
07:39<Marius>JshWright: I saw, haha
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07:40<Daevien>he's dating your mom?
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07:44<amitz>Marius: I have replied.
07:46<Marius>so have I
07:47<Marius>oh god
07:47<Marius>listening to our "technician" that fixes computers talking to clients is a nightmare
07:48<SpaceHobo><redacted>
07:49<JshWright>you guys are seriously messaging each other on IRC in order to communicate that you've sent a message on twitter?
07:50<Marius>JshWright: we most certainly are
07:50<amitz>JshWright: indeed.
07:50<praetorian>I have retweeted
07:50<Marius>SpaceHobo: imagine the lamest most uninspiring voice you can, and then picture it saying this
07:50<amitz>I have replied Marius.
07:50<Marius>"I don't know you. the hard drive is broken"
07:50<Marius>"no, the HARD DRIVE. imagine an l, then imagine it being broken."
07:50<Marius>... I want to hurt my self and everyone around me xD
07:52<Marius>amitz: I have replied.
07:52<@mikegrb>mmm cake
07:52<Yaakov>The proper response to "< Marius> also, aparently mr cake is taking flying lessons? O_o" is NOT, "Yes you inferior being, only an imbecile doesn't know things that other people already know." It's "Yeah! Funky fresh!"
07:53<Marius>mmmm, funky!
07:53<@mikegrb>mmm cake
07:53<Marius>will give cake for query to send over EPP for a clTRID!
07:54*HoopyCat sends JshWright a letter letting him know that he just sent an IRC message letting him know that he sent him a letter
07:55<amitz>Marius: I didn't reply to your message, I was continuing the last message. Anyway, I must end our conversation, wife needs to be picked up. Good luck and heed my words.
07:55<Marius>haha, I am trying :P
08:03<Marius>Now I'm even mroe confused, the example processes for updating domain data doens't use the clTRID at all, only the login command o_O
08:07<Marius>ahh, there we go!
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08:31<praetorian>THE INTERNET IS FOR PORN
08:31<null>sorry all, just woke up. Dallas TX problems? my vps and linode.com appear down.
08:31<miked>Everyone - yes dallas is broken.
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08:31<GatorKram>mine is back
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08:31<wakkawakka>suspecting tasaro and mikegrb are auto-rejoins
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08:31<brainproxy>mine's back too
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08:31<Yaakov>Yes, seems to be back just now.
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08:32<GatorKram>1 hop is ignoring pings
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08:32<Yaakov>But don't count on it yet.
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08:32<brainproxy>maybe a box was getting flooded and someone in ops forgot it's a bad idea to shut those down
08:32<brainproxy>that can cause a flood in layer 2
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08:32<brainproxy>got to null route at the border
08:32<miked>I'm getting recovery pages
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08:33<mendel>so let's say i was going to host a reasonably high-profile company website at linode, what two datacentres would you call most reliable? (dallas ain't it)
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08:34<mendel>hm, no irc in atlanta might mean atlanta is one of them
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08:34<DephNet[Paul]>mendel: London or Atlanta
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08:34<miked>mendel: i have boxes in dallas atlanta london and fremont. never had more than 1 offline at time.
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08:34<weezy[blinkenshell]>mendel: why not dallas?
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08:34<Daevien>mendel: atlanta seems ot have the least issues lately. but it's all a crapshoot
08:34<mendel>It seems to be afflicted more often than Newark at least.
08:35<mendel>we're in dallas and newark right now
08:35<wakkawakka>This is the first issue in Dallas in forever, that I can remember.
08:35<wakkawakka>And it was just 20 minutes. Overall, pretty good, I'd say.
08:35<coyled>heh
08:35<Jippi_moc>london hasn't have had any issues since I moved to linode two months ago - compared to vps.net thats... well.. nice :P
08:35<Jippi_moc>but to expected really
08:35<dotcomguy>mendel: I had dedicated servers at The Planet, and very rarely had issues like this. The problem is isolated to Linode, and there are no network updates from The Planet which is generally good about updating when there are problems *cough*unlike Linode*cough*
08:35<jaredc>this is the second issue in Dallas in the recent past, in my exp.
08:35<mendel>yeah, it may be that we just need a little higher reliability, but i *want* linode to work for us, dammit :)
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08:36<wakkawakka>dotcomguy: people were having trouble pinging even ThePlanet.
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08:36<wakkawakka>I suspect it affected the whole data center
08:36<jaredc>I would at least expect Linode to have servers in one of their other DC's serving their own linode.com site :(
08:36<Daevien>dotcomguy: guess you don't use your TP servers much. or anotehr question: why did you have servers there, why aren't they there now? ;)
08:36<dotcomguy>I don't know, I had no problems... but if it was a wider issue I would expect to see some acknowledgement from them.
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08:36<wakkawakka>jaredc: status.linode.com must be in Newark, because it was online the whole time
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08:37<Daevien>jaredc: there is, but your computer cached the down ip for the site most likely
08:37<jaredc>correct, status.linode.com was reachable, just the main site wasn't
08:37<dotcomguy>Daveien: The servers I had there were constantly monitored, and the reason I don't have servers there now is because VPS is more cost effective for my needs.
08:37<dotcomguy>But, note I still chose The Planet's data center because they proved very reliable for me over several years.
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08:38<Daevien>i used to work in dallas, in the same building as some of TP's stuff, they always had issues of some kind, it's jsut a crapshoto if it affects your stuff or not since they have multiple locations
08:38<mendel>this atlanta/london theory is a good one though
08:38<mendel>not sure i'd do london, most of our customers are NA
08:38<mendel>but atlanta/newark might do it for me
08:38<Daevien>mendel: it's just random to be honest. atlanta may catch on fire tomorrow. but recently, it's been solid without any issues that i've seen
08:39<hobot>well if you are talking about downtime
08:39<Daevien>never know when someone will run over a fiber with a backhoe or some kid decides to ddos somethign that affects you
08:39<hobot>I just lost a bunch of connections from dallas, but its all working for me now
08:39<GatorKram>just remember, 99.99% uptime, still leaves downtime ;)
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08:39<ella>Ahhh
08:39<ella>thing seem to be back to normal
08:39<Daevien>the only wya to ensure high availability is to pay more and have multiple servers in different data centers
08:39<hobot>yep, four nines isnt that much actually
08:39<ella>Scary 20 mins :)
08:39<Carsten>Errm what just happened to linode?
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08:39<hobot>I mean its great
08:39<chesty>ella: the fire has been dowsed
08:39<ella>mendel I've had 40 mins outage at Dallas since 2007. None were Linode related
08:39<miked>every datacenter either provides five 9's, or nine 5's. find a provider that does not suck and plan for 2 issues a year =/
08:40<Daevien>Carsten: connection issues in the dallas DC of some kind, no exact details as of yet
08:40<GatorKram>it was only down for me, about 20m
08:40<wakkawakka>or design a failover system across multiple DC's, and never worry about an issue like this
08:41<Daevien>dotcomguy: the other thign is, have you actually tried to get info out of TP about downtime? i have, it can be like pulling teeth. so linode's go poof, linode staf screamsa t TP, gets delayed, etc which means they can't update with anythign meaningful until TP tells them something
08:41<hobot>yep
08:41<GatorKram>[08:12:40][08-24] * [10101] Host disconnected is down, and [08:29:59][08-24] * Connect retry #31 is back up
08:41<wakkawakka>it's $20/mo... you may 3 times that for your home DSL/cable connection
08:41<wakkawakka>pay*
08:41<hobot>other physical locations is the only way t do it
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08:42<wakkawakka>peace, everybody :)
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08:42<Daevien>3 locations basically ensures your site will survive and costs very little compared to somethign that truly needs as close to 100% uptime as you can get. anything that can't afford $60 a month doesn't need 100% uptime really, it's a want them, not a need
08:42<hobot>yep
08:43<GatorKram>no matter what you do, even if you have 500 locations across the world, at some point, something will fail, and someone will have the "bad" ip cached for at least 5m
08:43<hobot>yep
08:43<Daevien>yeah that too GatorKram
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08:43<GatorKram>I guess you can just set the flag to not cache, heh, dont know dns that well
08:44<Daevien>from being in the business for almost 15 years now, i can say that generally, the ones that complain the loudest tend to be the cheapest bastards that don't want ot spend anything but demand 100% uptime ;)
08:44<Pryon>spaceduck vs. SpaceHobo --- FIGHT!
08:44<GatorKram>but the someones OS is prob gonna cache is anyway
08:44<Daevien>GatorKram: or funky isp nameservers that ignore TTL
08:44*spaceduck has a place to sleep tonight.
08:44<SpaceHobo><redacted>
08:44<GatorKram>yeah, that too
08:44<Pryon>haha
08:45<DephNet[Paul]>GatorKram: some ISP's in the UK ignore the TTL from the zone, and impose their own TTL, I know of one that imposes a TTL of 2 weeks
08:45<GatorKram>ive been happy with linode, there are cheaper places out there, but Im not moving, hehe
08:45<Daevien>there' sone in the US that doe sit too, verizon maybe?
08:45<Daevien>GatorKram: cheaper price, cheaper quality as well though. so not worth the few pennies of savings for the lot worse quality IMO
08:46<GatorKram>I cant even remember how long Ive been here, hmm
08:46<Daevien>linode manager sshows it somewhere udner account
08:46<HoopyCat>!seen GatorKram
08:46<linbot>HoopyCat: GatorKram was last seen in #linode 14 seconds ago: <GatorKram> I cant even remember how long Ive been here, hmm
08:46<HoopyCat>GatorKram: at least 14 seconds
08:46<DephNet[Paul]>haha HoopyCat
08:46<GatorKram>hehe, I mean, with linode
08:46<DephNet[Paul]>just over 2 years for me
08:46<linbot>GatorKram: We have always been with you.
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08:46<GatorKram>I think I can tell in my payment history or something
08:46<Daevien>login to linode manager, click account. Your account has been active since 2009-06-05.
08:47<miked>ok, party is over. goodnight everyone.
08:47<Daevien>night miked
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08:47<GatorKram>jan 2008 it seems
08:47<GatorKram>seems longer
08:47<GatorKram>heh
08:47<Daevien>heh. i'd have been a custoemr longer but i usually had access to dedicated boxes of my own or someone else's for me stuff
08:48<GatorKram>same
08:48<@mikegrb>lolz
08:48<GatorKram>welp, im out, until the next time I notice it down, lol
08:48*GatorKram waves
08:48<Nivex>wow, it's been over 2 years already. where does the time go?
08:48<hobot>Your account has been active since 2008-05-19
08:48<Daevien>was nifty ahving bandwidth from broadwing at the infomart and plunking down a personal machine on that heh
08:49<Daevien>bye GatorKram
08:49<GatorKram>time flies, no question
08:49<hobot>I have had a linode for 2 years and I havent done a thing with it
08:49<hobot>enjoy my money linode, you deserve it
08:49<@mikegrb>lolz
08:49<GatorKram>lol hobot
08:49<GatorKram>I do lots of stuff with mine, but no one else does anything with it
08:49<hobot>I do little weird things on it but I havent really come close to 10% resource use most months
08:49<Nivex>I migrated from a ghetto colo (back room of an ISP that used to be a bathroom)
08:50<@mikegrb>lolz
08:50<hobot>lol
08:50<GatorKram>hehe
08:50<HoopyCat>Your account has been active since 2006-06-30.
08:50<hobot>nice HoopyCat
08:50<hobot>linode launched in 03, correct?
08:50<Daevien>most of my usage is personal but i do run one forum that gets a decent amoutn of traffic, but it's for an older game now so starting to slow down
08:50<Daevien>03 as theshore i think hobot, not sure when linode name came about
08:51<@tasaro>03 as Linode
08:51<HoopyCat>Nivex: good connectivity to the county sewer fiber-optic backbone, at least
08:51<GatorKram>ok, now Im really going to bed
08:51<GatorKram>gn everyone
08:51<DephNet[Paul]>night
08:51<Nivex>HoopyCat: ha, no. the far end of a Canopy wireless connection
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08:52<Pryon>" good connectivity to the county sewer"
08:53<Daevien>tasaro: ah k, i knew 03 was something at least? :p
08:53<Pryon>where any DDOS is local
08:53<hobot>that reminds me of the google toilet internet
08:54<hobot>http://www.google.com/tisp/
08:54<Daevien>thats where theplanet gets some of their conenctivity from hobot :p
08:54<@mikegrb>lolz
08:54<hobot>lol
08:54<HoopyCat>http://rocwiki.org/Sewer_Fiber_Optic_Network <--- apparently
08:55<HoopyCat>http://rocwiki.org/Naphtha_Disaster_of_1887 <--- other things our sewers have been known for
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08:55<Nivex>what's with the Skynet thing on the sewer page?
08:55<hobot>well it makes sense
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08:55<JshWright>Nivex: welcome to RocWiki
08:56<hobot>its big enough to run the fiber without a lot of trenching
08:56<hobot>trenching is the worst
08:56<Nivex>I just wish people would stop thinking of it as an either or (muni vs private). Set up an open peering arrangement and let anyone, including the ISPs, pass traffic.
08:56<Nivex>It worked in New Zeland.
08:56<JshWright>Nivex: the ISPs can't charge as much for traffic that doesn't run on their network
08:57<Nivex>oh! *snaps fingers* right! I keep forgetting, it isn't about the customer here.
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08:58<HoopyCat>the customer is very important! they get cranky if they don't get sufficient attention from their product
08:59<HoopyCat>it's totally about the customer, Nivex. you just aren't the customer. :-)
08:59<hobot>the customer being the stockholder
08:59<HoopyCat>the customer being the advertiser
09:00<Nivex>hmm, the definition of "customer" must have changed at some point
09:00<HoopyCat>(p.s. we're all shareholders)
09:00<hobot>yeah you do need advertisers when you have all those people locked in
09:00<hobot>then why dont I get invited to the board meetings
09:01<HoopyCat>hobot: you do; you just throw the things out
09:01<hobot>you got me
09:01<hobot>you got me pretty hard
09:02<HoopyCat>i do too, 'cuz milwaukee on a tuesday morning in february isn't feasible
09:04<hobot>I wouldnt go to that if you paid me honestly
09:04<hobot>if that is the location
09:04<hobot>well I would if you paid me but you are not paying me that is a hypothetical situation
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09:09<amitz>stakeholders
09:09<HoopyCat>steakholders
09:09<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:10<Marius>mmmm beef
09:10<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:11<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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09:17<HoopyCat>i'll gladly pay you wednesday for a hamburger today
09:18<hobot>id do it
09:18<hobot>but you gotta come get it
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09:19<chesty>my wednesday or your wednesday?
09:20-!-libertiy [~liberti@s55917466.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #linode
09:21<HoopyCat>chesty: oh, any old wednesday... didn't have a particular one in mind. why do you ask?
09:21<HoopyCat>hobot: where in spacetime are you?
09:22<hobot>saint paul minnesota
09:22<chesty>how much is wednesday worth anyway?
09:22<hobot>united state
09:22<hobot>s
09:22<hobot>earth
09:22<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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09:22<chesty>NERD
09:22<Marius>I've been to minnesota
09:22<Marius>... I think ...
09:23<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:23<Marius>is that the place with the lakes near the canadian border?
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09:23<hobot>yep
09:23<Marius>and there's a town called warroad
09:23<mathew>morning
09:23<hobot>that is the one sentence that describes minnesota
09:23<hobot>flat, lot of lakes, near canada, but not
09:23<Marius>I went there for a family reunion
09:23<Marius>it was fun
09:23<Marius>I ordered a small meal, and it was bigger then anything I've ever been served in norway
09:24<Marius>Thus further proving my point; americans are fat :P
09:24<hobot>yeah we are fat
09:24<hobot>im not here to tell you lies
09:24<chesty>SpaceHobo: even google fails me, it's some scifi thing, but the only reference i find is in russian
09:24<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:24<hobot>dr who
09:24<chesty>nope
09:24<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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09:24<hobot>the trick is chesty to use only portions
09:24<hobot>of his terms
09:24<hobot>aka galactic zero
09:25<hobot>4th or so result
09:25<hobot>also I watch dr who and I didnt recognize it honestly
09:25<Marius>same here hobot
09:25<chesty>I haven't seen dr who for 20 years
09:25<Marius>although I suspect that's from one of the old old OLD episodes
09:25<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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09:26<hobot>yeah but they mention it in the modern one
09:26<Marius>yeah, I noticed
09:26<hobot>yep checking wikipedia it is 2007 they mentioned it
09:26<Marius>1975 and 1980 reference the coordinates
09:26<hobot>I never watched old dr who, just new dr who
09:26<Marius>hobot: really?
09:26<hobot>yep
09:26<Marius>I don't remmeber him mentioning the coordinates
09:27<hobot>just reading the first paragraph of the gallifrey article says that
09:28<hobot>man it must be so hard to write for dr who if you want to keep any cohesion
09:28<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:28<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:28<Marius>aye, I do applaud the writers for managing so well
09:28<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:28<DephNet[Paul]>hobot: there is no cohesion
09:29<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:29<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:29<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:29<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:29<DephNet[Paul]>Russel T Davis has booted stuff that was cannon, in old who, and set up a new back story
09:30<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:30<Marius>I need ot get into the old doctor shows
09:30<Marius>I just felt the first season was...somewhat lame
09:30<Marius>it all felt like overacting
09:30<DephNet[Paul]>and he liked to keep bringing back Rose, who was trapped in a different universe "forever"
09:30<hobot>well in the new dr who the most recent season had the most ridiculous ending I have thought possible
09:30<hobot>yeah
09:30<hobot>that did happen a lot
09:31<DephNet[Paul]>hobot: what season are you on?
09:31<hobot>the most recent
09:31<DephNet[Paul]>Matt Smith's first one?
09:31<hobot>yeah
09:31<Marius>I don't much care for the latest doctor
09:31<Marius>I'm a die hard tennant fan at the moment
09:31<hobot>yeah he is better
09:31<hobot>matt smitch just tries to be weirder
09:31<Marius>matt is trying too hard to be david if you ask me
09:31<DephNet[Paul]>yeah, I like Tennant
09:31<asedeno>(looking over logs from yesterday): No, I don't highlight on ITA
09:32<HoopyCat>hobot: we have identified your location and are preparing to extract hamburger.
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09:33<asedeno>JshWright: I don't believe ITA uses linode. However, I do for my own personal uses.
09:33<mathew>Does linode have fscache enabled in it's newer kernels?
09:34<hobot>good
09:34<hobot>im ready for ya
09:34*hobot gets naked
09:34<HoopyCat>mathew: # CONFIG_FSCACHE is not set
09:34<HoopyCat>mathew: probably be a pvgrub situation
09:34<JshWright>asedeno: ah well... close enough ;)
09:34<asedeno>heh
09:35<mathew>HoopyCat, aww ok. I'm trying to setup a local cache of a S3 mount
09:37<mathew>I think I might need to hack my own solution.
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09:41<HoopyCat>mathew: from the looks of it, there'd be a bit of hammering required to make it work anyway, and by that point you might as well roll your own
09:42<HoopyCat>mathew: a kernel-level solution is fine for a kernel-level problem, but fortunately, your S3 interface is in userspace :-)
09:46<Marius>awesome, I've made progress!
09:48<Daevien>too bad it's towards a padded room & a straight jacket
09:50<mathew>HoopyCat, I agree with your first point and not the second. The documentation states it's used to cache network drives. I assumed it was designed for this very case. http://people.redhat.com/~steved/fscache/docs/HOWTO.txt
09:51<mathew>If I mis-understood, my bad
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09:52<HoopyCat>mathew: the examples it gives are all kernel-based network filesystem drivers... i'm not sure where the dividing line is for netfs vs. FUSE, tho.
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09:56<HoopyCat>mathew: i see a great need for science on this matter, though, considering my biggest beefs with S3 are read latency and cost. 'tis the nature of the beast, of course.
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09:56<HoopyCat>looks like that cache miss was...
09:56*HoopyCat puts on sunglasses
09:57<HoopyCat>expensive
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09:57<mendel>YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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09:58<HoopyCat>(#linode gets the "oh god, never joining this channel again" award from swaj and Andrei)
09:58<mendel>haha
09:58<HoopyCat>((i do, by the way, have a pair of sunglasses on my desk))
09:59<Marius>I have a pair of glasses
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09:59<caker>mendel: fwiw, we're moving all DCs to 10G. Newark is done, London next, and then Dallas
09:59<caker>dos that, bitches.
09:59-!-mode/#linode [+o caker] by ChanServ
09:59<praetorian>ok
09:59<praetorian>is 6.2 okay?
10:00<HoopyCat>two pairs of glasses, one pair of sunglasses, a pair of safety glasses, a pair of safety goggles, a pile of disposable diffraction grating trip-o-matic paper eyewears preprinted with dolphins...
10:00<HoopyCat>definitely looks like my eyes are...
10:01*HoopyCat puts on safety glasses
10:01<praetorian>I'll let you finish that but imma just wanna say that
10:01<HoopyCat>covered.
10:01<praetorian>i have about 8 cups on my desk
10:02<mathew>This is like being on reddit
10:02<mendel>yeaah
10:02<praetorian>First post
10:02<mendel>:/
10:02<HoopyCat>EDIT: why the downvotes :-(
10:03<hobot>I like universityofreddit
10:03<praetorian>09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
10:03<hobot>but news aggregation sites generally bore me
10:04<praetorian>Do you realise that this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/HD_DVD_Night_Digg_Frontpage_before_rose_blog_post_screenshot.png
10:04<praetorian>was in 2007?
10:04<praetorian>It seems like only yesterday..
10:04<Karrde>spoilers: it was yesterday
10:04<mathew>praetorian, stop making me feel old
10:05<hobot>yeah
10:05<hobot>man
10:05<HoopyCat>hobot: http://www.reddit.com/r/tldr/ via RSS is the best invention ever
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10:06<praetorian>Happy 15th Birthday Windows 95.
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10:06<HoopyCat>Extension zero nine foxtrot nine one one zero two nine delta seven four echo three five bravo delta eight four one five six charlie five six three five six eight eight charlie zero is not available. Please leave a message, or press star for more options.
10:07<HoopyCat>oops
10:08<ssteinerX>my secret decoder ring says you-are-a-SPY
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10:08<mwalling>windows 95 is 15, windows xp is what, 9?
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10:08<@jed>just turned 9
10:08<praetorian>and Vista is retarded
10:09<@jed>vista was windows me II
10:09<praetorian>You raise a good point. If Windows Vista was retarded. What was Win ME.
10:09<Daevien>cept vista with all service packs actualy works. windows ME was just fucked no matter what you did
10:10<HoopyCat>win95 mated with win98; win2k mated with XP
10:10<ssteinerX>net result: all fucked
10:11<tjfontaine>anyone else feel a bit of weird latency to dallas?
10:11<praetorian>I really preferred 2k to XP.
10:11<@jed>tjfontaine: you're the second to bring it up
10:11<praetorian>i Never liked the Blue Taskbar.
10:11<tjfontaine>jed: ok just so I'm not crazy
10:11<@jed>(other OOB)
10:11<praetorian>tjfontaine: that's unrelated
10:11<tjfontaine>praetorian: good to know
10:11<Daevien>tjfontaine: crazyness confirmed
10:11<@jed>for the record, I can't find it
10:11<@jed>mtrs welcome
10:11<TheFirst>tjfontaine: i've been timing out all morning so I suppose that'd fall in the yes category
10:12<praetorian>^ was he the first to bring it up
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10:12*praetorian runs
10:12<HoopyCat>praetorian: my boss ran win2k server on his desktop for awhile; the punchline was when he left and we decom'd his machine, but that's beside the point
10:12<Daevien>TheFirst: there was a 20 min interrurption earlier in dallas, caker is busy shoving his foot up the repsonsible parties backside
10:12<praetorian>heh
10:12<praetorian>I still manage boxes running Windows 2k.
10:13<HoopyCat>WHAT THE HELL
10:13<TheFirst>Daevien: probably what I was catching the tail end of earlier
10:13<praetorian>Only 2 or 3 boxes.
10:13<Daevien>i've got a couple w2k virtual machines, just cause i have licenses for it coming out my ears and it was for simple stuff :p
10:13<praetorian>But they are considered "critical applications"
10:13<HoopyCat>why the hell are my mtrs to dallas transitting comcast
10:14<HoopyCat>who let the tbone touch the ibone
10:14<Daevien>eww comcrap
10:14<@jed>HoopyCat: yeah...about that. we saved a little money with triple play for the dallas facility
10:15<jetlag>Dallas gets free on demand movies???
10:16<@jed>and the best international calling
10:16<HoopyCat>http://p.linode.com/4141 <--- that's, like, unnatural and preverted
10:17<praetorian>could be worst
10:17<praetorian>could be cogent
10:17<HoopyCat>praetorian: thanks, i was trying to forget about them
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10:18<tjfontaine>2. 51.ff.5746.static.theplanet.com 0.0% 199 0.4 3.6 0.4 136.8 17.7
10:18<tjfontaine> 3. te9-4.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com 0.0% 199 0.7 3.7 0.6 197.4 18.1
10:18<tjfontaine>seem to be the offending hops
10:19<HoopyCat>can't diss cogent too bad, tho... before them, few thought it was possible to take partial routes without a default and stay in business
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10:19<HoopyCat>(yeah, i went there)
10:20<HoopyCat>speaking of routing: rochester -> chicago -> atlanta -> dallas, but rochester -> chicago -> dallas -> atlanta
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10:21<HoopyCat>newark and fremont are the only two linode datacenters i can reach without going through a different linode city
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10:22<amitz>Marius: I'm not sure the largest fries here is at least as large as the regular fries in US.
10:24<praetorian>if in doubt, 'supersize'
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10:28<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat: what about London?
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10:35<verxion>Hello everyone
10:35<verxion>Does linode do nameservice?
10:36<praetorian>DNS? Yes.
10:36<mwalling>they provide name servers, not registration
10:36<verxion>What URL do I use to register through linode?
10:36<praetorian>what mwalling said
10:36<verxion>Oh
10:36<verxion>Crudola
10:37<verxion>Ok, thanks
10:37<DephNet[Paul]>verxion: you cant get domains from Linode, I recommend namecheap.com
10:37<praetorian>i've had no problems with godaddy, fwiw.
10:37<mwalling>i use 1&1
10:37<DephNet[Paul]>eww, 1&1 are crap
10:37<praetorian>!mwalling
10:37<linbot>find /home/mwalling -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
10:38<DephNet[Paul]>atleast their European branch is
10:38<mwalling>they work
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10:39<praetorian>people would say the same about godaddy i believe.
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10:58<amitz>praetorian: but then no amount of supersize can beat the regular size of US'
11:00<TheFirst>regular size of...?
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11:05<Friction>i dono if anyone can answer this: i'm outputting an image through php and logging the download, but with one download of the image i'm getting 3 logs, i.e the image is being downloaded 2/3 times per load. what reasons for this coudl there be?
11:05<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: london goes through NYC (which is, for the purposes of my science, a linode city)
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11:07<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat: because Newark is 10 miles away?
11:07<JshWright>more importantly, it's about 1.5ms away
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11:09<DephNet[Paul]>damn, going by that London should be well over 200 miles from here, as I am 45ms from London
11:10<JshWright>that's why I said "more importantly"
11:11<JshWright>physical proximity doesn't necessarily equate to network proximity
11:11<mwalling>crow flies != pidgeon flies
11:11<HoopyCat>i'm 12 ms from the cable headend, which instantly makes me at least 12 ms from anywhere
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11:14<feldmand2>Morning, evening, afternoon... Has anyone had experience setting-up DNS in this config, NSD on Ubuntu, twisted4life, GoDaddy?
11:15<@jed>HoopyCat: or does it?
11:15*jed plays Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien
11:15<feldmand2>I suspect my DNS configuration may not be quite correct, and I have some questions.
11:17<Daevien>feldmand2: you could use linode ns as slaves instead of twisted, there' sa guide on that on the library i believe
11:17<feldmand2>Is this DNS setup problematic?
11:17<mathew>feldmand2, don't ask to ask, just ask
11:17<mathew>;)
11:18<Daevien>far as your exact question, i've not heard nyone mention twisted4life here, i jsut looked up to see what they did
11:18<feldmand2>I learned about twisted4life on some of the Linode forum entries. It was recommended by some.
11:19<feldmand2>It was easy to setup twisted4life as a secondary nameserver, I am just not sure it will work.
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11:20<jetlag>someone should sell audiophile cable grease to make the bits go down the wire smoother
11:21<jetlag>$500 a tube sounds about right
11:21<@jed>jetlag: marketing@monstercable.com
11:21<swaj>wee, ipv6 and SSL, dunno what I'm gonna do now :P
11:21<feldmand2>Daevien: Is there a difference between a secondary and a slave in terms of nameservers?
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11:23<ssteinerX>feldmand2: secondary is an alternate source, slave implies an "updated" relationship
11:24<ssteinerX>feldmand2: you'd kind of want a secondary to get updated ;-)
11:24<feldmand2>ssteinerX: what do you mean by "updated"? At a minimum you need a primary and a secondary. Are slaves additional?
11:25<ssteinerX>feldmand2: read http://www.twisted4life.com/dnsadmin.php?Menu=specs about the zone transfer -- that's an update
11:25<ssteinerX>feldmand2: you can have more than 2
11:26<ssteinerX>feldmand2: most shared/vps hosting uses the same acct/box for both DNS servers in the default config
11:26<ssteinerX>feldmand2: go cPanel
11:27<Damian>Hi, Is there any reason the DNS manager won't let you do wildcard sub sub domains (ie *.somesubdomain.domain.tld)?
11:27<@pparadis>it will
11:27<DephNet[Paul]>feldmand2: according to http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch4/ "The term 'slave' was introduced in BIND 8.x and replaced the term 'secondary'."
11:27<feldmand2>ssteinerX: what do you mean by "go cPanel"?
11:27<@pparadis>you need to create another zone
11:28<ssteinerX>feldmand2: that's cPanel's default scheme: use the same account/server for both DNS servers
11:28<feldmand2>DephNet[Paul]: Very interesting that slave has replaced the term secondary.
11:29<feldmand2>ssteinerX: I don't have cPanel. I've been trying to get ISPConfig running on port 8080 with no success.
11:29<HoopyCat>feldmand2: in a traditional AXFR-based authorative DNS configuration, you have one master/primary nameserver and one or more slave/secondary nameservers. when the serial number in the zone's SOA is incremented on the master, it will (usually) send a NOTIFY to the slaves it knows about, and then the slaves will request an AXFR from the master
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11:30<HoopyCat>feldmand2: in your case, it sounds like you're wanting to run nsd on your linode as a master and use twisted4life.com's nameserver(s) as slave(s). right?
11:30<feldmand2>ssteinerX: I read that placing your primary and secondary ns's on different servers is more robust.
11:31<ssteinerX>feldmand2: cPanel is the de-facto standard in the shared hosting world, it's virtually unlicensable by normal humans without a service provider's help/blanket license
11:32<Daevien>and virtually guaranteed to drive you insane as an admin
11:32<feldmand2>HoopyCat: Yes, I want to run nsd on the linode as primary and use ns1.twisted4life.com as secondary.
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11:33<feldmand2>ssteinerX: I have read that cPanel is the de-facto standard, but does Linode help to provide it? The tutorials cover ISPConfig instead, right?
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11:34<swaj>I switched to he.net's free DNS hosting... been really solid so far (as one would expect from HE)
11:34<HoopyCat>ssteinerX: it is entirely licensable by normal humans. they accept credit cards, i believe :-)
11:34<ssteinerX>HoopyCat: credit cards with large limits ;-)
11:34<feldmand2>Daevien: What will drive you insane as an admin? CPanel?
11:34<ssteinerX>feldmand2: dunno, you'd have to ask them
11:35<hobot>yep feldmand2
11:35<ssteinerX>cPanel == nightmare on CentOS 5
11:35<HoopyCat>feldmand2: i believe having primary and secondary nameservers on different servers is a MUST by RFC, but i can't cite that right now. but, it's a really good idea for anything beyond toying around on a friday afternoon.
11:35<swaj>cPanel seems to have an option to purchase directly from them here -> http://www.cpanel.net/products/cpanelwhm/purchase-cpanel-products.html
11:35<feldmand2>HoopyCat: How much is a CPanel license annually? How does it compare to ISPConfig?
11:35<ssteinerX>$425/hear, more than the hosting, that's absurd
11:36<ssteinerX>s/hear/year/
11:36<HoopyCat>feldmand2: i think cpanel's somewhere around $400/year/server, which isn't too bad in a commercial situation. i can't compare them as i use neither of them.
11:36<swaj>there's cPanel/WHM VPS Optimised2 package which is only $200
11:36<HoopyCat>remember, people are expensive :-)
11:36<swaj>http://www.cpanel.net/products/cpanelwhm/pricing.html
11:36<Daevien>cpanel = nightmare anytime as an admin
11:37<feldmand2>Well considering how complicated even basic things can be, it is not surprising how expensive people can be.
11:37<ssteinerX>what does "optimized" mean?
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11:38<Daevien>less features knwoing cpanel
11:38<Daevien>still as many bugs & annoyances
11:38<swaj>there's always plesk :P
11:38<ssteinerX>swaj: please bite your arm
11:38<feldmand2>HoopyCat, ssteinerX: This is the configuration I attempted: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5938
11:38<HoopyCat>feldmand2: on the nameserver end of things, i suppose an important question is "why?"
11:39<swaj>ssteinerX: haha
11:39<swaj>I prefer the command line :P
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11:39<feldmand2>HoopyCat: Are you getting existential? I need nameservers to do DNS, so my domains can be found.
11:40<HoopyCat>!library dns manager
11:40<linbot>HoopyCat: timed out
11:40<HoopyCat>stupid bot
11:40<ssteinerX>!library existential
11:40<linbot>ssteinerX: http://library.linode.com/
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11:40<swaj>I liked the Linode DNS manager until I started messing with IPv6... it can't do PTR records yet, so I moved to dns.he.net :P
11:41<feldmand2>What's up with linbot? Did his circuits get crossed?
11:41<HoopyCat>feldmand2: http://library.linode.com/linode-manager/configuring-dns-with-the-linode-manager will do about 95% of what folks need to do
11:41<Daevien>swaj: caker liked urmom til he tried hoopy's
11:41<swaj>o_O
11:42<HoopyCat>feldmand2: there's the 5% it won't do (hi, swaj!), so i'm just wondering if you're in that 5% or not. minimizing pain == good
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11:43<feldmand2>HoopyCat: I likely fall into the 95% of the people. I would like to minimize pain. I am not planning to do anything cutting edge on this first attempt. Just host some websites.
11:43<HoopyCat>feldmand2: anyway... feldmand.com is served by two nameservers, ns1.feldmand.com (74.207.241.5) and ns1.twisted4life.com (202.157.182.142)... i doubt your linode's IP address is 74.207.241.5, which is probably causing some problems
11:43<Daevien>HoopyCat: if he's trying to do a cpanel / plesk / ispconfig type thing he wants all the dns stuff to be handled by it auto i assume
11:44<Daevien>are you hosting your own sites feldmand2? or do you have users besides yourself that need to add & remove sites on their own?
11:44<swaj>yeah he probably wants to host his own DNS if he's going the cPanel route :P
11:44<feldmand2>HoopyCat: No, my Linode's IP address is not 74.207.241.5 - that is ns1.linode.com.
11:44<amitz>TheFirst: regular size of french fries in US.
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11:44<swaj>feldmand2: you just have to register your linode's IP with your registrar as a nameserver, I assume you've done that right?
11:44<feldmand2>HoopyCat: When twisted4life referred to primary DNS i figured it was referring to the nameserver not my IP address. I suspected that might be a problem.
11:45<amitz>although I may have remembered the size wrong, I'm pretty sure.
11:45<HoopyCat>feldmand2: that isn't ns1.linode.com :-) it's resolver1.fremont.linode.com, which only does recursive requests for linodes in the fremont datacenter. you want to put your own linode's IP address there
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11:45<HoopyCat>feldmand2: if you're running nsd and want that to serve requests, that's your primary DNS for your domain.
11:46<feldmand2>swaj: Well... yes and no. I have registered ns1.feldmand.com using the IP address of ns1.linode.com not my IP address.
11:46<HoopyCat>Daevien: what're the odds of cpanel / plesk / ispconfig working with nsd3 and twisted4life? :-)
11:46<swaj>that's part of the problem
11:46<Daevien>feldmand2: what are you doign with your hosting? your own couple of sites? or do you have other popel that need to add and remove sites thta wil be usin gyoru hosting?
11:46<swaj>feldmand2: you need to register ns1.feldmand.com to use your Linode's IP
11:46<swaj>if you want to run your own dns server
11:47<Daevien>HoopyCat: not sure on the nsd part mostly, long as it can write files that are then fed to somethign for NS i'd say good, i just dont knwo if they support nsd right off
11:47<swaj>unless linode's DNS manager is hosting feldmand.com for you
11:47<Daevien>HoopyCat: basically the panels all output the dns info for domains as it adds, removes, etc to zone files
11:47<swaj>even so, it's not going to work, because then you'd have to use Linode's DNS manager for all your customer domains
11:47<feldmand2>HoopyCat: Thanks for the clarification on the erroneous address. The primary address for my domain is the IP address Linode assigned to my box, right?
11:47<darkside_>why would you need twisted4life when you have linodes in 5 locations?
11:48<HoopyCat>feldmand2: yes.
11:48<darkside_>rather, what is the advantage?
11:48<swaj>feldmand2: yes. Basically you're running an authoritative nameserver on your Linode, so you need ns1.yourdomain.com to be registered to point at your node's public IP
11:49<swaj>then other domains can use ns1.yourdomain.com as their nameservers, and all you have to do is add the zone on your node
11:49<feldmand2>Daevien: Re: hosting. I registered a handful of sites with GoDaddy. No one else involved.
11:49<hobot>blergh
11:49<@mikegrb>lolz
11:49<Daevien>darkside_: there is none, he just doesn't seme to want to listen to me now lol
11:50<darkside_>my thoughts
11:50<feldmand2>Swaj: Linode's DNS manager is currently not hosting feldmand.com for me.
11:50<HoopyCat>WWTOD?
11:50<Daevien>feldmand2: then don't bother with ispconfig honestly, you'll learn far more abotu linux & hosting wihtout them and not have their headaches involved
11:50<HoopyCat>(the onion, not terrell owens)
11:50<Daevien>and also have far more control over what you do and don't run on yoru linode for services, etc
11:51<Daevien>run a basic LAMP setup, even using the stackscript to get it up quickly perhaps and set your NS to the linode ones, set your basic dns entries and not worry abotu slave & secondary & ispconfig. just my thoughts on it though
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11:51<swaj>feldmand2: so you run your own nameserver. Register "ns1.feldmand.com" as your Linode's public IP. Then set the next 5 nameservers on your domain as NS1 - NS5.LINODE.COM. Now go into the Linode DNS manager and import the zones from your master server. You're all done, and fully redundant.
11:51<feldmand2>swaj: Yes, HoopyCat made me realize that ns1.mydomain.com must be reg and point to my node's public IP.
11:52<Daevien>generally control panels are good for shared hosting environments with multiple people that are generally clueless / don't want to knwo to do naythign manually. but setting them up is a bitch
11:52<swaj>good deal
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11:53<feldmand2>Swaj: in the nsd.conf file must I allow transfers from the secondary/slave nameserver at twisted4life.com?
11:53<swaj>feldmand2: if that's your slave, then yes
11:54<swaj>basically then, twisted4life.com will pull any changes you make to your zones automatically, so you don't have to worry about it (as long as your DNS manager increments the serial number properly, which cPanel should)
11:54<HoopyCat>that's one thing cpanel is better at than me ;-)
11:54<feldmand2>Daevien: That's good advice to stay away from ISPConfig. If I don't need it, I won't use it.
11:54<swaj>hehe
11:54<Daevien>it's just extra stuff to learn but isn't really useful in your situation is my opinion
11:55<Daevien>it would be potentially useful if you had friends that you wer ehosting and they wanted to add & remove domains themselves or something
11:55<swaj>if he wants the ability to add friends websites to his box without muddling with a remote DNS manager, it's nice
11:55<swaj>he can just do it all in one place
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11:55<HoopyCat>at that point, though, they darn well better be "customers" instead of merely "friends"
11:55<swaj>haha
11:56<Daevien>yeah but he said somewhere back there it was just him with a handful of sites. in that event, i'd say a basic LAMP or LEMP setup
11:56<swaj>no harm in running your own DNS server if you have proper slaves set up for when yours crashes :P
11:56<rb>feldmand2: Coming a bit late to the discussion ... are you aware that you can setup "your" NS as a "hidden primary" with, e.g., Linode's NS's as slaves/secondaries. "your" DNS is exposed only to Linode, and the rest of the world only sees Linode's servers as authoritative for your DNS. Apologies If I'm repeating someone else ...
11:56<feldmand2>Daevien: Interesting thoughts. Installed LAMP stack myself minus the stackscript, which sort of confused me on how to use honestly.
11:56<Daevien>it will run better & offer more control over stuff
11:57<swaj>Daevien: you also have to consider his experience. Certainly is a lot easier to use a control panel once it's configured :P
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11:57<feldmand2>Daevien: At the moment I don't have any friends.... who would want to do ehosting on my node.
11:57<swaj>that said, I'm a command-line junky myself. I don't really care for control panel software :)
11:57<Daevien>swaj: yeah, once it's installed... but the updates, etc. i've run cpanel boxes & other control panels. they generally add anothe rlevel of annoyance
11:58<ssteinerX>swaj: a simple control panel based reseller arrangement is better for 100% of "friend" sites
11:58<Daevien>and that assumes the initial install works right. which is not hte case a lot of the time :P
11:58<ssteinerX>five bucks a month, unlimited bandwidth, no disk space limits, wait, let me get my affiliate link out ;-)
11:58<swaj>you're preaching to the choir, I wouldn't come within 100 feet of cPanel, but it obviously helps some folks that are a little green to getting this stuff set up or it wouldn't be selling so well.
11:58<dcraig>have some sort of mechanism that warns you when twisted4life decides to change the IP of their secondary nameserver
11:58<dcraig>or else your secondary nameservice will quit working one day
11:59<Daevien>there are different options basically feldmand2. my preferred way is to do it with a lamp or lemp setup if i dont have others tryign to add or remove things. if you do go with ispconfig, i'd say go with what rb mentioned again, linode ns being slaves to your linode's local nsd. twisted is prob ok but mor epeopel use linode ns and know that setup so woudl be able to help with issues
11:59<feldmand2>rb: welcome.. no, I am not aware that I can setup my NS as a "hidden primary".
12:00<swaj>side note: I haven't seen a way to enable outbound AXFR for zones hosted with dns.he.net. Does anyone know if it's possible, or is that feature in the works?
12:00<@caker>!setup
12:00<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/
12:00<rb>feldmand2: here's a helpful overview -> http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/running_a_hidden_primary.html
12:00<HoopyCat>oi, setup for upset
12:00<amitz>!buffalo
12:00<linbot>buffalo is a verb. Please see http://tinyurl.com/zsxl4
12:00<Daevien>feldmand2: rb's suggestion was roughly what i was suggesting for the ns thing with ispconfig, i just didnt' get into the hidden part yet cause so much otehr stuff was flyign around, didnt' want to add mor econfusion
12:00<HoopyCat>buffalo is goin' to the playoffs this year, baby
12:00<HoopyCat>i can feel it
12:01<les>Infinite words are verbs at zombo.com
12:01<rb>Daevien: My solution to confusion is just to ignore everyone, and speak like i'm the only one in the room ... doesn't work so well at home, admittedly
12:01<feldmand2>rb: why would that configuration be considered a hidden primary. Would that not just be using NSD as your primary ns and linode's ns's as secondaries/slaves? Why "hidden"?
12:02<rb>feldmand2: Because your primary NS is not listed as an authoritative NS.
12:02*Daevien kicks caker in the butt
12:02<swaj>feldmand2: in teh "hidden primary" role, you'd run a nameserver on your node, but it wouldn't be registered with your registrar at all. You only set your domain to use Linode (or twisted4life) as it's nameservers, and then tell those servers to AXFR from your box. You the firewall the nameserver on your node to only communicate with your secondary servers. It's more secure, but also a little more
12:02<swaj>complicated to set up.
12:02<feldmand2>Daevian, swaj: I am managing the command line. But over complicating things with additonal applications is also an issue.
12:02<Daevien>feldmand2: your domains woudl shows ns1.linode.com up to ns5.linode.com but those servers woudl get the info from your linode on what records to have
12:02<HoopyCat>it's also referred to as a "shadow master" configuration :-)
12:03<rb>HoopyCat: wants to BE the "shadow master" ....
12:03<rb>feldmand2: what swaj & Daevien said. except, imo, !complicated
12:04<feldmand2>dcraig: how would I configure a mechanism to warn me if twited4life changes the IP of their 2ndary namesever?
12:04<swaj>rb: not overly, but feldmand2 is a little bit green :P
12:04<rb>swaj EVERYBODY is "a little bit green" when it comes to DNS ...
12:04<dcraig>maybe subscribe to a mailing list they offer? :)
12:04<feldmand2>dcraig: would I set up a cron task to ping ns1.twisted4life.com and return results, and notify me in some way when nothing comes back?
12:05<Nivex>except this one guy I know. Google hired him to do DNS. He knows things mere mortals cannot fathom :)
12:05<dcraig>but I think linode provides better secondary dns service than these twisted4life people
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12:05<rb>feldmand2: I think someone asked up there ^^^^ ... why use twiste4life at all? you're a Linode customer, right? Their NS's are redundant/geo-distriibuted ...
12:05<dcraig>and yes, you'd need something like that unless they have a mailing list
12:05<ssteinerX>rb: i get green just thinking about DNS
12:05<swaj>feldmand2: no, you'd have to cache the current IP of the server and then set up a cron job to nslookup ns1.twisted4life.com, and notify you if the result didn't match what you had cached :P
12:06<rb>Nivex: Vint Cerf does NOT count ...
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12:06<dcraig>for zoneedit, I have a little bash script that compares today's IP with yesterdays for the namesevers I use there
12:06<Nivex>rb: heh. quite, but wasn't thinking of him
12:06<rb>ssteinerX: some facts are better kepr private. TMI!
12:06<HoopyCat>i pay money to linode, thus i have more leverage over them than i do over twisted4life :-)
12:06*HoopyCat leverages
12:06<@jed>thought for today:
12:06<@jed><@comcor> those who can do, those who can't teach, those who shouldn't continue to do both with reckless abandon
12:06<HoopyCat>!ipinfo ns1.twisted4life.com
12:06<linbot>HoopyCat: IP: 202.157.182.142; rDNS: ns1.twisted4life.com; ASN adv net: 202.157.182.0/23; ASN: AS55405; ASN owner: Asia Pacific Network Information Centre; ASN reg: 2009-09-15; City: Kuala Lumpur; State: Kuala Lumpur; Country: MY; Domains: 33; http://revip.info/lookup/202.157.182.142
12:06<feldmand2>Daevian, rb: good advice on using linode ns's as slaves to my linode's local nsd. How would I set up the hosts and nameservers at GoDaddy in that configuration?
12:07<HoopyCat>WHAT THE
12:07<swaj>eww, asian nameserver :P
12:07<feldmand2>Daevien, rb: I suppose I could keep ns1.twisted4life.com as an additional slave in that config, right?
12:07<HoopyCat>i suppose that is some geographic redundancy ;-)
12:07<rb>jed old variant -- those who can, do. those who can't do, teach. those who can't teach, administrate. and all the rest are engineers.
12:07*rb ducks
12:07<@jed>:>
12:08<@Perihelion>What if I suck at life and can't do, teach, administrate, or engineer?
12:08<@Perihelion>What do I do then?
12:08<@jed>have babies, probably
12:08<rb>feldmand2: simply list the Linode NSs there (@GoDaddy). ONLY Linode's DNSManager needs to "know" about your DNS Primary ...
12:08<rb>Perihelion: work for Oracle?
12:08<@Perihelion>Zing.
12:09<feldmand2>rb: re: the helpful review you are not necessarily advocating the use of dyndns here just about how to run a hidden primary, right?
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12:09<swaj>then you can be a patent-mongering freedom-killer :P
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12:09<@pparadis>why does larry ellison hate your freedom?
12:09<swaj>because he's the devil
12:09<@pparadis>works for me
12:09<rb>feldmand2: yes. but I also think DynDNS is a great service. i'm lucky enuf to have a bunch of domains hosted there from the 'early days' -- free DNS for life, as a result.
12:10<feldmand2>All: just want to take a moment to thank you all for the help. It is really appreciated.
12:10<rb>pparadis: swaj aka, LPOD.
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12:11<swaj>haha
12:11<swaj>LPOD, I had to urban dictionary that one :P
12:11<swaj>nice name
12:11<rb>swaj -> http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/cynical_chuckles
12:11<feldmand2>rb, Daevien: Re: ignoring everyone, and speaking your mind. Good idea.
12:11<rb>tell that to my wife ...
12:11<swaj>rb is that SFW?
12:12<rb>swaj: That's Gosling's blog. it depends ... ;-) Where do you work?
12:12<rb>if !Oracle, then I suppose yes
12:12<swaj>nah, we're fine then :P
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12:13<feldmand2>rb: what determines whether your primary NS is authoritative or not? My understanding was that NSD only produced authoritative DNS. Is it a setup issue somewhere?
12:15<feldmand2>swaj, rb: so registration of your nameserver makes it authoritative? Non-registration makes it hidden?
12:15<swaj>the authoritative DNS server for a zone is the server(s) listed in the zone's registration.
12:16<dcraig>your hidden primary nameserver running NSD will still be authorative, but nobody will know about it, because it won't be listed at your registrar, and it won't be included in your NS records
12:16<rb>feldmand2:"An authoritative name server is a name server that gives answers in response to questions asked about names in one or more zones." ... but my point is simply a "hidden primary" is not 'announced' to the world as being one of your NS.
12:16<swaj>your dns server will answer questions directly about the zones you configure it for
12:16<swaj>so it will be authoritative
12:17<rb>feldmand2: easy-read -> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Authoritative_name_server
12:17<swaj>but the slave dns servers will also be authoritative for your zones, because they will answer queries directly for those zones
12:18<dcraig>when the NSD folks say that theirs is an authorative nameserver, they mean that it can't be configured to act as a recursive resolver
12:18<dcraig>or maybe it can, but that's not the default configuration
12:18<HoopyCat>NSD either knows the answer, or it doesn't know the answer. it won't find the answer.
12:19<rb>HoopyCat: Plain, understandable lanugage is NOT allowed in here!!
12:19<HoopyCat>heehee
12:20*swaj wonders if TTL should be explained :P
12:21<rb>only if you can do so in eBonics ...
12:21<feldmand2>swaj: I am going to need to study the "hidden primary" role in greater detail. It does sound more secure, but as you say more complicated too.
12:21<HoopyCat>i need to hunker down and make some "DNS for people who have no idea what DNS is" tutorial stuff to explain the concepts, perhaps with a bit of context as to why things are the way they are
12:21<swaj>feldmand2: only in theory. It works the same way as if it wasn't hidden.
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12:21<swaj>feldmand2: either way you're still setting up NSD to serve DNS requests for your domains
12:21<HoopyCat>knowing some history of the DNS is critical to understanding some of the weird parts
12:22<swaj>feldmand2: in the "hidden primary" role, you'll just only allow NSD to communicate with your slave servers
12:22<Daevien>see here's the other thing none of you have really thought of it seems. if you don't need ispconfig, why bother with nsd + slaves & crap. just use the linode dns manager and not have to run your own server :p
12:22<amitz>HoopyCat: I'm glad you never become my teacher/lecturer :-p
12:22<swaj>feldmand2: and your slave servers will handle all the public queries
12:22<HoopyCat>Daevien: i said that a half-hour ago ;-)
12:23<swaj>Daevien: HoopyCAt mentioned that a while ago, but the ispconfig seems to be a requirement
12:23<rb>feldmand2: fwiw -- I run Bind9 '@ home'. I manage my DNS files with a text editor; webmin in a pinch. It's set up as a hiddne primary; Linode's NSs are all slaves to it and are, themselves, listed as primary/secondary @ GoDaddy. If you have StaticIP @home, trivial. If not, a simple SSH tunnel, or OpenVPN channel makes it so ...
12:23<feldmand2>rb: so IYO the "hidden primary"/"shadow master" configuration is not complicated (as in !complicated)?
12:24<rb>feldmand2: I figured it out and made it work ... therefore, iit *can't* be complicated!
12:24<swaj>the only additional complication comes when setting up the firewall on your node, honestly. And you don't technically have to do that, it's just a good idea :P
12:25<HoopyCat>so, in the beginning, there was HOSTS.TXT, defined in RFC 952
12:25<HoopyCat>well, actually, before that, there was HOSTS.TXT, *not* defined in RFC 952
12:26<rb>eventuall, I'll set up NSD @Linode, set *it* as a slave to Bind @Home, and slave the Linodes off of NSA. That'll server to completely break the connection dependency on Bind9, but stil allow me to conveniently manage zone files locally.
12:26<rb>feldmand2: <-
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12:26<feldmand2>rb: Maybe I read to many old forum posts, particularly some old ones when Linode's nameservers where beta. That is part of the reason I am looking at twisted4life (and considered zoneedit).
12:26<HoopyCat>i stand corrected: before THAT, everyone just had their own list of hostnames and IP addresses, first on paper and then in a text file...
12:27<swaj>rb: you could just use openvpn/nfs to manage NSD zone files on your linode... though I guess that's what you meant :P
12:27<HoopyCat>feldmand2: the linode DNS manager works pretty darned well nowadays. arguably better than some free service running on some dubiously-named service in malaysia. :-)
12:28<rb>feldmand2: gagh! zoneedit? time has passed. Linode's services are stable/reliable/etc and you have the joy of ... er ... this forum! in thoses cases that Linode's DNS Manager is "not yet up to par", the local-management of Zone files takes care of everything for you. Iiuc, Linode runs Bind9 ...
12:28<feldmand2>HoopyCat: Good point on the better leverage with Linode than twisted.
12:28<swaj>feldmand2: honestly, I hosted zones in Linode for almost 2 years before I moved to HE, and that's only because I wanted PTR records, otherwise I'd still be using Linode for my DNS. There's no issue with it.
12:28<rb>swaj: sure. I do split DNS @home with Bind9 already ... it's in place.
12:28<dcraig>how much of your domain has to be "hosted" with linode for you to feel ok, ethically, with using linode's dns service for the domain?
12:29<feldmand2>jed: what about those who cannot teach, and are trying desperately to do?
12:29<@jed>no idea
12:29<avenj>dcraig: I dunno, DNS is pretty bandwidth intensive. I'd feel bad about it
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12:29<avenj>not really sure their network can handle it :\
12:29<HoopyCat>dcraig: in the case of lan.hoopycat.com, the only references to linode are the NS records ;-)
12:29<swaj>feldmand2: and if you really are against using Linode's DNS manager, then use http://dns.he.net/ up to 50 zones for free, and they're bound to be better than something named twisted :P
12:30<HoopyCat>swaj: there's a package of python modules wanting to speak to you, and they seem pretty angry
12:30<feldmand2>HoopyCat, swaj: maybe I stimulated the linbot to produce the Asia Pacific message. I'm in the area.
12:31<rb>swaj feldmand2 to be clear, it's the DNS *Manager* that (i think?) does not (yet) support IPv6 PTR (swaj?) @Linode. Their zone file support is 'industry standard' ...
12:31<swaj>rb: that's correct. If you use AXFR to load the zones, then they work fine
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12:31<swaj>rb: but you can't "create" the PTR records through the manager
12:32<rb>swaj ok, sure. but you CAN toggle them in on the fron panel of your PDP8, in any case ...
12:32<HoopyCat>which is only a problem in a very specific use case where you probably already have account creds for dns.he.net :-)
12:32<swaj>well exactly. HE was easily because I already had a tunnelbroker.net account for my IPv6 fun :P
12:33<swaj>easily = easy
12:33<HoopyCat>i should go with their DNS for my ip6.arpa zones, simply because there's only so much typing IPv6 addresses backwards i can handle
12:33<swaj>I hate messing with zone files manually... gave that shit up years ago :P
12:34<swaj>there are tools out there that do a much better job than me
12:34<HoopyCat>oh, and if you like shadow masters, lan.hoopycat.com uses a shadow master for the shadow master, so that i can axfr while i axfr
12:34<@mikegrb>roflz
12:34<swaj>rofl
12:34<rb>swaj: I hate messing with zone files via inadequate guis ... gave that shit up years ago :P^2
12:34<@jed>vim = gui
12:34<HoopyCat>but mostly because i can't throw ddns updates at nsd
12:34<swaj>rb: HE.net and Linode both have sufficient GUI's for most situations :P
12:35<dcraig>to type an ipv6 address backwards, just do dig -x <ipv6> and then copy the result
12:35<HoopyCat>dcraig: but then i have the nxdomain cached
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12:35<dcraig>that gets cached?
12:35*HoopyCat whines
12:35<praetorian>negative cache
12:35<HoopyCat>dcraig: heck yeah... last field on the SOA specifies negative caching TTL
12:35<dcraig>I dunno maybe
12:36<rb>swaj sure, for most. if I can't edit zone files on my Motorola v570, then I'm not interested ...
12:36*HoopyCat edits his zone file from a cron job using wget
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12:36<swaj>hah
12:36<swaj>I'm disappointed in you hoopy
12:37<swaj>cron/wget? why not openvpn/nfs?
12:37<straterra>nfs..over wan?
12:37<straterra>Yeah..good luck with that
12:37<swaj>:P
12:37<HoopyCat>swaj: too many moving parts
12:37<praetorian>i edit my zone file while i'm on a horse
12:37<praetorian>♫ do di doo doo di doo di do ♫
12:37<rb>sshfs is a lovely option over wan ...
12:37<feldmand2>HoopyCat: I appreciate the plain, understandable language. It likely means you understand what you are talking about.
12:37<swaj>rsync works too :P
12:38<@jed>praetorian: the zone file is now diamonds!
12:38<@mikegrb>lolz
12:38<rb>lol! mmmmph :-x
12:38<feldmand2>rb: you're a regular jokster.
12:38<HoopyCat>swaj: also, i don't want to edit the whole zone, just one record
12:38<rb>just bored ... awaiting the heat wave.
12:39<swaj>feldmand2: don't feel bad... DNS is a bitch
12:39<praetorian>Look at our zone file, now back at me, now back at your zone file and back at me again.
12:39<rb>hehe
12:40<praetorian>ps. whoever said sshfs: yes, works well over latent connections
12:40<swaj>I haven't messed with sshfs, sounds interesting
12:40<feldmand2>HoopyCat: If you need a novice reviewer for your DNS tutorial who will ask all the dumb questions I volunteer.
12:40<HoopyCat>feldmand2: eh, i've just been around the DNS a few times. conceptually, it's a brilliantly simple and reliable system, but that simplicity and reliability makes implementation a pain in the butt. there's also over 9000 different ways to do something (and everyone always wants to do the one thing that is forbidden)
12:41<@jed>praetorian: for varying definitions of 'well', in my experience
12:41<TheFirst>HoopyCat: forbiden fruit tastes the best dontcha know
12:41<HoopyCat>feldmand2: it'll end up on my blorg ... sometime.
12:42<praetorian>jed: Yeah. Generally okay tho. better than scp'ing the file there
12:42<HoopyCat>TheFirst: @ IN CNAME my-other-domain.com.
12:42<praetorian>jed: that said, the -o follow_symlink option should be by defaut.
12:42<praetorian>+l
12:42<feldmand2>Daevien: one reason I read to not rely on the Linode DNS manager is if you think you may migrate your web server in the future. Also if you are a gearhead and just want to understand what's under the hood.
12:42<@jed>I open a SSH controlmaster, then use textmate's rsync bundle
12:42<@jed>which is pretty A+
12:43<@jed>I have it bound to shift+command+S (which saves), so I just use that chord to save now
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12:43<praetorian>interesting. does that come in a non mac flavour? :P
12:43<praetorian>(i know the answer)
12:43<@jed>:>
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12:44<praetorian>i do like textmate, but unfortunately not enough to just buy a mac for
12:44<rb>swaj fwiw, once installed, this works @linode: sshfs -F $ssh_config_file root@your.linode.com:/ /mnt/MY_LINODE_MOUNT -osshfs_debug,reconnect,allow_other,umask=7002
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12:44<feldmand2>rb: I was planning to install and configure bind, but a member of Linode's staff recommended NSD over bind for ease of use. Being green I took the advice. NSD okay?
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12:45<swaj>Bind is a pain, I'd agree with the NSD recommendation.
12:45<praetorian>(from TDWTF): Server.ScriptTimeout = 21600; //six hours should probably be enough. If it keeps crashing, raise this.
12:46<rb>feldmand2: I assume it's OK ... I haven't used it much at all, but had the same assurances. I just find Bind9 more widely used & better documented & more flexible, which is why I use it @home. BUT, installing it on a small-RAM linode -- unnecessary resource-hog, imo
12:46<praetorian>I hate the fact I have code at work that has the similar switch.
12:46<rb>swaj How is Bind "a pain" any more than anything else?
12:47<HoopyCat>i think BIND is "more fun" to learn on, because you can use it in both roles (authoritative vs. recursive), but for production, i use NSD because it is simpler and tighter resource-size
12:47<HoopyCat>s/size/wise/
12:47<praetorian>Probably for gnubies
12:47<swaj>rb: the last time I used bind was about 6 years ago in a chroot "jail", and it was a pain for me to setup
12:47<swaj>set up*
12:47<HoopyCat>BIND also smells of antiquity, history, and greatness
12:48<rb>what HoopyCat said, "sizewise"
12:48<feldmand2>swaj: you moved to HE? What is HE?
12:49<praetorian>HoopyCat: and ISC.
12:49<praetorian>I think named is chroot'd by default on OpenBSD
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12:50<atula>please help me make a decision. (while this is OT, it somewhat relates :D). So I am building a home nfs/version control server etc.... an all purpose server. In any case, I want RAID-1 in it--deciding on hardware or software raid. I find from my limited time dealing with raid... I've had bad experience with hardware raid. I thought software raid is easier to manage and you are not relying on another controller card. In case of hard drive die, with a raid
12:50<atula>you need to check both the card and the drive.. while in software you'd just need to check the drive.
12:50<dcraig>feldmand2, http://dns.he.net/
12:50<Daevien>praetorian: i havne't used textmate, but have you ever seen notepad++ ? it's got a bunch of features that are handy
12:50<atula>maybe I'm not thinking clearly. help!
12:50<atula>thank you.
12:50<praetorian>Daevien: I've seen it. i usee it at work
12:51<praetorian>Daevien: It won't work on my home desktop tho. I use Linux
12:51<praetorian>atula: FWIW, I use soft raid here.
12:52<Daevien>praetorian: er, p[retty sure there's a linux binary? and source?
12:52<Nivex>hardware raid *if done properly* (read expensively) provides great flexibility and manageability
12:52<Nivex>unfortunately, the cheaper hardware RAIDs have issues
12:53<Nivex>including one rather nasty incident I heard of where a newer firmware on the same card couldn't read the old array
12:53<atula>yeah. I can't afford a few grands to make hardware raid solution like I want... so might as well stick with software
12:53<praetorian>that's the case with most tbh
12:53<atula>that's my though t
12:53<Nivex>if you use Linux software RAID, you have a well known and portable format
12:53<praetorian>especially bios based raid
12:53<praetorian>soft raid is performance degrading tho
12:53<Nivex>just be prepared to spend the CPU cycles for the checksumming, especially in high I/O situations
12:54<HoopyCat>atula: good hardware RAID > software RAID > average hardware RAID
12:54<praetorian>i havent seen enough of it to make my life any harder.
12:54<HoopyCat>"good hardware RAID" also includes having spare hardware
12:54<rb>atula: ditto. 4 1Tb drives, software RAID-10 on Linux works a champ. I 'cheat' a bit, use a multilane SATA PCIx card to an external drive case for convenience ... if this is a "home server", mor than good enuf, imo
12:55<atula>yeah. alright, I'll just use software raid
12:55<atula>just want a simple home server
12:55<atula>save files... version control... dns... apache... for me:)
12:55<praetorian>Daevien: can't see anything. either way, i didnt like it that much to use as a textmate replacement :P
12:55<Nivex>the only issue I ever had on a home server was when 2/3 of a RAID5 failed. Thankfully I also rsynced data off to other machines, since I'm paranoid like that
12:55<atula>and possibly the wife... I don't think it's a big problem with software raid
12:55<Nivex>atula: you'll be fine
12:55<praetorian>Nivex: Raid 6! ;)
12:55<HoopyCat>oh, and let me be the first to grab the bullhorn and declare:
12:55<@mikegrb>lolz
12:55<atula>lol. just raid-1
12:55<HoopyCat>RAID IS NOT A BACKUP
12:56<rb>amen
12:56<atula>it's sort of backup
12:56<praetorian>no
12:56<HoopyCat>atula: it is not at all a backup
12:56<Nivex>praetorian: that would need at least four drives. at that point I'll go raid10
12:56<atula>I was planning on getting an external drive for backup as well
12:56<Nivex>we do have some raid6 on RHEL here at work
12:56<Nivex>HoopyCat: amen brother
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12:56<praetorian>Nivex: hehe. i have 7 drives here in raid 6
12:56<Nivex>I really need to get a better handle on off-site backup
12:57<Nivex>i can withstand failures within the apartment, but if some idiot decides to grill out and burn the place down, I'm sunk
12:57<rb>you _can_ do RAID-10 on just 2-drives
12:57<@pparadis>atula: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001640&IsNodeId=1&Description=RAID&name=HighPoint%20Technologies%2c%20Inc. <-- i've had good luck with these cards, even the inexpensive ones are good enough for home stuff
12:57<mdcollins>I hate people with a passion..
12:57<Nivex>(I say that having watched a nearby apartment building burn a few years ago)
12:57<mdcollins>My motorcycle was knocked over this morning and now it's leaking oil...
12:57<praetorian>call BP.
12:57<@mikegrb>lolz
12:57<atula>lol!
12:57<ssteinerX>mdcollins: spray some effluent on it
12:58<atula>than kyou pparadis for the link
12:58<ssteinerX>mdcollins: uh, dispersant ;-)
12:58<mdcollins>Eh?
12:58<atula>*sigh. promised the wife I would only need 500 bucks to build the server... but I think it's going up :(
12:58<praetorian>hmm, nsd doesnt do split horizon
12:59<praetorian>pity
12:59<HoopyCat>atula: budget to buy at least two, in case the controller fails :-)
12:59<atula>yeah... so no. I'll do software raid
12:59<atula>I think it's easier.. only 1 problem to deal with when a drive pops out
13:00<praetorian>i wish i could hotswap hardware sometimes.
13:01<rb>atula: ymmv -- i had nothing but trouble with highpoint a awhile back. my $0.02, addonics cards have been more reliable (http://www.addonics.com/products/Controller_Desktop/default.asp#cont_sata)
13:01<rb>like i said, tho -- ymmv
13:01<amitz>more risk of death due to faulty hardware.
13:01<atula>yeah.
13:02<atula>I've had RAID-1 with a cheap 20 bucks card once
13:02<atula>RAID died... so I rebuild...
13:02<atula>except... I synched the dead drive OVER to the good drive
13:02<atula>there is no rebuild for stupidity
13:02<atula>:(
13:02<Nivex>I am so quoting you on that
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13:03<joeblob>is there a way to disable zone transfers on linode DNS?
13:03<rb>most mobos these days seem to have 5+ SATA connectors on-board ... no add'l card required
13:03<Nivex>last one I got it was only 4, but still nice
13:04<atula>yeah. I am building a mini-itx tower
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13:04<atula>again. when mobo dies... you have a problem
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13:04<atula>with software... it's nicer when hardware dies
13:04<atula>right ?
13:04<Nivex>mobo SATA is JBOD, use linux software raid
13:05<rb>atula: that's what i'm talking about ... using Software RAID with the mobo's connectors
13:05<rb>^^^ Nivex
13:05<Nivex>root@atlantis:~# mdadm /dev/md3
13:05<Nivex>/dev/md3: 698.39GiB raid1 2 devices, 0 spares. Use mdadm --detail for more detail.
13:05<praetorian>is that all ;)
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13:05<Nivex>yeah, I don't have that big a porn stash
13:05<atula>hehe
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13:06<atula>2x2TB RAID-1 should be plenty for home server
13:06<praetorian>/dev/md3: 6984.93GiB raid6 7 devices, 0 spares. Use mdadm --detail for more detail.
13:06<praetorian>^ previously discussed raid6
13:06<HoopyCat>joeblob: yep... click edit for the SOA (i forget the exact spot) and there'll be an on/off for AXFR there
13:06<Nivex>praetorian: niiice
13:06<atula>my gosh, 6TB
13:06<atula>7TB
13:07<atula>how much porn do you need?!
13:07<hobot>it fits an exponential scale
13:07<hobot>i terms of need over time
13:07<praetorian>haha.
13:07<atula>hah
13:07<Nivex>well it's HD porn now
13:07<praetorian>most of it may be Linux TV ISOS Shows
13:08<atula>rewatching porn is so bad... I mean... you know how it ends already.... EVEN before you watch it
13:08<praetorian>you should watch it backwards
13:08<@mikegrb>lolz
13:08<atula>lol
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13:09<praetorian>Nivex: It's actually going to get bad. I now have a 1TB/m plan for internet quota
13:09<praetorian>i plan to use it to its fullness
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13:09<praetorian>(For AU, anything over 150G is extreme)
13:10<rb>atula: Are you intersted in playing around to build up the server? or just want to get it up-n-running asap?
13:10<joeblob>HoopyCat: yes, that's correct, thanks
13:12<HoopyCat>joeblob: np
13:13<atula>rb: I just want it to be like linode. build it... it works.
13:13<atula>no rush... but I don't have the patience I used to do mess around... re-order parts etc.
13:14<praetorian>make sure to use mercurial for your scm
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13:15<rb>atula then, fyi -> http://openfiler.com/
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13:22<@jed>boom!
13:22<Nivex>HEADSHOT!
13:22<Daevien>headshot
13:22<Daevien>bah, too slow. stupid laggy connection
13:23<rb>finally have some peacec-n-quiet around here ...
13:23<@jed>bah, I just mirrored and got origin/master on origin ... is there a way to delete a remote head without deleting it locally
13:23<feldmand>Does anyone know where the Chat history is located? I would like to look at the last 2 or 3 hours of chat.
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13:23<HoopyCat>i fly like paper, get high like planes; if you catch me at the border, i got null routes in my name; if you come around here, i make 'em all day; i get one done in a second if you wait
13:24<HoopyCat>feldmand: http://thegrebs.com/irc/ is my favorite source
13:24<feldmand>HoopyCat: Thanks for the URL. Cheers.
13:24<@jed>ah, nice, that does work
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13:31<paul>anyone around, i have a question about backups
13:32<straterra>ask away
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13:32<vin>Now I get that "dont ask to ask" that is in a lot of /topics...
13:33<Guest690>i just totally owned a website infront of a client and need to restore the linode to my most recent backup - no idea how to do a restore though, im guessing i turn off the linode, delete the partion and then backups will let me select the space to restore on
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13:34<Daevien>vin: yeah. we even have a bot cmd for it
13:34<Daevien>!ask
13:34<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
13:34<libertiy>hi.. anyone good in bash scripts?
13:34<libertiy>i have this line find . -name '*haml' -exec bash -c 'for f; do haml "$f" "/target/directory/${f%.haml}.php"; done' _ {} +
13:35<rb>"Just ask the question straight out." Why do people insist on spending more time/bandwidth on the don't-ask litany than the question in the 1st place ?
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13:35<libertiy>which is almost working! but it outputs like Errno::ENOENT: No such file or directory - /target/directory/./views/layouts/default.php
13:35<HoopyCat>Guest690: that will do it; i usually recommend creating a new linode, restoring onto that, and then swapping IPs once you've determined the backup is viable
13:35<libertiy>i need that ./views removed, anyone an idea?
13:35<HoopyCat>Guest690: then, you can do any forensic analysis, evidence collection, etc that you need to do on the old linode
13:36<Guest690>i dont need to do anything fancy, i just want to straight restore to my most recent backup
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13:37<HoopyCat>Guest690: create enough space to restore the backup and it will let you restore. deleting the existing images works just fine.
13:38<HoopyCat>libertiy: something seems strangely complex about that find statement
13:38<Guest690>do i need to create new space first, or can i just delete the entire thing and then restore a backup?
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13:38<rb>Guest690: iirc, you don't even need to pre-delet -- just restore. check 1sst ...
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13:38<HoopyCat>Guest690: you'd want to delete the images and the configuration profiles (not the linode itself, since the backups are tied to that)
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13:39<rb>hm ...
13:39<Guest690>oh god, i hope this work!
13:39<libertiy>HoopyCat: its some combined statements
13:39<HoopyCat>rb: i believe it trips out and makes you do the destruction
13:40<rb>HoopyCat: ah ...
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13:40<HoopyCat>Guest690: me too! :-)
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13:41<rb>Guest690: tbh, if that's really a concern -- do what HoopyCat suggests. create a Linode & CLONE what you have. and, you *have* rsync'd your critical data off-site already, right?
13:42<HoopyCat>disclaimer: i didn't throw my wisdom teeth away until a couple years ago
13:42<jpgh>dallas outage this morning - does anyone know why that happened?
13:42<Guest690>nope, i've got about 50 sites that are on the linode, but if i can restore (and it works) to this morning then i will be fine
13:42<jpgh>this morning = 8am eastern US time or so for 20 minutes
13:43<Daevien>jpgh: ddos i think
13:43<rb>Guest690: 50 sites? CLONE it. RSYNC it. "doveryai, no proveryai"!
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13:44<jpgh>Daevien: yeah, it seemed like that, but no official word from linode that I can find
13:45<HoopyCat>rb: buy a new linode; return the old one as defective, in the same box as the new one. they won't notice
13:45<rb>heh
13:45<Daevien>jpgh: caker mumbled after that about getting 10gig connections in all DC after it resolved
13:45<Daevien>and somethign about try and dos me then :p
13:46<jpgh>hah :D
13:46<rb>Daevien: he didn't mumble, "Bring it on!" did he ? histroy of bad mojo with that one ...
13:46<mdcollins>Fml, now I have no ride to get to work..
13:47<mdcollins>And no money to fix it >_<
13:47<rb>mdcollins: you're not stuck in that traffic jam in China, are you?
13:48<mdcollins>That traffic jam would be better than this.
13:48<rb>eek. if you need bottled water, talk to HoopyCat ...
13:48<Daevien>09:59 <caker> mendel: fwiw, we're moving all DCs to 10G. Newark is done, London next, and then Dallas
13:48<Daevien>09:59 <caker> dos that, bitches.
13:48<Daevien>rb: close enough :p
13:49<rb>Daevien: /me adjusts tinfoil hat ...
13:49<Nivex>now all we need is native IPv6 on those links :)
13:50<rb>hoo-rah!
13:51<jpgh>designing my hoo-rah 10G t-shirt now
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13:52<rb>jpgh: I think the consensus was "hoo-rah 10G IPv6" t-shirt. pay attention!
13:52<HoopyCat>linode infrastructure upgrades should have mission patches
13:52<hobot>I like mission patches
13:52<rb>or at least merit badges ...
13:52<rb>Eagle-Geek
13:54<HoopyCat>the newark upgrade mission patch: triangular, featuring a digital-looking apple (NO BITE REMOVED) with ten ethernet cables converging on the center. names around outside: PARADIS RGEEK SMITH
13:54<jpgh>whew, I have just upgraded my eye-brain connection to IPv6 now, so I'll pay attention better from here on in
13:55<mwalling>wait, whos smith?
13:55<Daevien>where they been keeping irgeek anyway? someone lose his cage key?
13:55<mwalling>i saw him earleir
13:55<HoopyCat>mwalling: jed's last name isn't "ed", y'no
13:55<mwalling>oh yeah, jed
13:56<mwalling>forgot about him
13:56<rb>HoopyCat: I didn't find that design here http://www.nerdmeritbadges.com/ ...
13:57<HoopyCat>rb: think NASA, not BSA
13:59<rb>ah, new-&-improved geeks. got it.
13:59<@mikegrb>lolz
13:59<Daevien>LOL http://www.nerdmeritbadges.com/products/been-boinged
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14:01<jpinnix>To follow up on my question yesterday about serving static index files with nginx+passenger, here's a working config: http://j.mp/bO2ak0
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14:04<rb>@Linode PrivateIP <-> PrivateIP data x-fer is free/uncapped within a given DC, right? Across DCs too (doubting ...)?
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14:04<Karrde>across DCs would no longer be private
14:04<Daevien>interesting jpinnix, you shoudl do up a guide ;)
14:05<rb>Karrde: Depends on the network arch Linode pays for ... but, OK.
14:05<HoopyCat>rb: it is free, but the instantaneous rate limit still applies. and the private IPs don't work at all between datacenters :-)
14:05<rb>HoopyCat: got it. rats, tho ...
14:06<HoopyCat>rb: someone's gotta pay for the transit across the internet, and linode figures it might as well be you
14:06<Karrde>I think it should be HoopyCat, personally, but I only have three votes
14:06<rb>danged capitalists ...
14:07<hobot>I always love democracy because I am 11 people
14:07<Daevien>caker has to pay for a plane & lessons somehow
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14:08<rb>Daevien: I just figured if you can see Russia from Alaska, moving a teentsy bit o' data between that-DC-over-there shouldn't be such an issue ... especially not requiring a plane!
14:09<Daevien>ssh, you weren't supposed to tell people that caker moves all the packets in his plane
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14:09<rb>And, am I correct that there exist no @DC gateways (over local, PrivateIP, e.g.) to Amazon (or other @Equinix) clouds?
14:10<HoopyCat>rb: only over the public internet
14:10<rb>gagh! spoilsport!
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14:10<HoopyCat>rb: if it's not another linode in the same datacenter, the traffic will have to go across the internet. :-)
14:10<straterra>What is @DC and @Equinix?
14:11<rb>straterra: at Linode Data Center (that's what everybody refers to it around here). at Equinix 's data centers.
14:11<straterra>Oh..just at
14:11<straterra>I didn't know if it was some..special meaning
14:11<atula>http://bit.ly/cvYfK9 <-- some decent deals. I can't believe 2TB SATA drives are 99 bucks
14:11<atula>freakin'... I remember buying less for MUCH more
14:11<rb>sorry, it's just special ... to me.
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14:13<rb>atula Make sure you get 'RAID-friendly' drives. It's 50% marketing BS, and 50% tech voudou, but some drives are not-recommended for RAID use ... (tbh, not sure it still makes any difference these days, but worth a check).
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14:14<atula>rb: yeah I thought so too... but you know, it's just a home server... access will be mostly limited
14:14<atula>I figure the raid-1 will give me some sort of redundancy
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14:16<ssteinerX>rb: it makes a difference, WD "non-raid" drives timeout and fall out of arrays much to the dismay of the controller (and your data)
14:16<rb>atula:Hardware redundancy, yes. But you realize that if corrupted data is written it's written to both. I.e., RAID is not a backup..
14:17<atula>yeah
14:19<atula>rb: hopefully software raid would be less of a hassle on the drives?
14:19<atula>maybe not... it's the same thing I guess... *sigh
14:19<atula>another mistake on my part
14:20<rb>ssteinerX: yeah, iirc their "Green" drives are problematic ... I use Samsung Spinpoints & Hitachi something-or-others, stated as 'for RAID'. just in case ...
14:21<ssteinerX>rb: green, blue, black, if they're not marked 'for RAID' they can go into a sector recovery mode at random and drop out of sight
14:21<rb>ssteinerX: didn't realize their black-n-blues have issue too. don't have any WD's anyway ... but good to know
14:24<rb>atula: assuming this home-server needs to be operationally "Your Wife Approved (tm)" (?), get four drives, one mobo. 2x software RAID-1 arrays. Use 1 array for real-time 'production' data. Backup to the OTHER array asynchronously. gets you nominal/easy hardware & data redundancy.
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14:26<atula>rb: hehe. oh boy. more cash. :/
14:26<rb>pay now, or pay later. ...
14:26<atula>that is true
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14:31<rb>atula: case+mobo, ~$100; cpu+ram, ~$100, 4x 2Tb drives, ~$400. not much more than your original target ...
14:32<atula>rb: I bought this mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121399
14:33<atula>rb: case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811152123
14:33<atula>rb: RAM
14:33<atula>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134113
14:34<rb>many ways to the mountain ... just commenting on your "more cash :/"
14:34<atula>and I just bought these HD: 2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136514
14:34<atula>:( which are not so good
14:35<atula>maybe I should just cancel the damn order and research again
14:35<atula>I like the case. I like the RAM
14:35<atula>they're cheap
14:35<atula>now I just need a good mobo and HD set
14:35<atula>but the MOBO : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121399 seems pretty reasonable
14:35<atula>so quiet and such. less power usage
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14:37<hobot>haha
14:37<TheFirst>hmm that board would be great for a cheap file server...if only it had more ports :/
14:37<hobot>I like the multiple fallback drives for wife approved
14:37<hobot>you must have demanding wives
14:37<atula>no no. it's for me... :D but if the wife approved.. it makes me feel better
14:37<atula>heh
14:37<rb>hobot: you ever lost 10 episodes of Doc Martin in a RAID fail?
14:37<atula>she doesn't know about it
14:38<atula>there are some good children cartoon... for future children to watch
14:38<atula>hehe... who knows...
14:38<atula>but I really want to get a good set... low power to leave it on all the time... Debian... turn on and forgets about it sort of thing
14:38<TheFirst>rb: to lose 10 episodes of doc martin i doubt is an "accident" ;)
14:39<atula>11 maybe... but not 10
14:39*rb slaps TheFirst. heathen!
14:39<TheFirst>pfft ... let that guy go back to bones ... he was more amusing on that :P
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14:39<rb>atula: low power -- because it's "good for the env"? or because you save money?
14:39<hobot>good point rb
14:40<hobot>but I could redownload them overnight and watch the other 15 episodes of stuff I have
14:40<atula>hmm... save money is more like it...
14:40<hobot>I guess if it all fails then yeah
14:40<atula>I dont' like Al Gore that much
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14:40<atula>but have it run light.. and quiet is also a plus
14:41<rb>atula: apart from that, you're payin more for mini-itx 'stuff' ....
14:41<atula>don't need anything else. just a simple server for home use
14:41<atula>should I cancel the order with WD green?
14:42<rb>atula: my point is you can pay less / get more for bog-standard (m)ATX hardware
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14:42<cmayo>hi
14:43<atula>rb: I could go with a micro ATX since I have a mATX case already
14:43<atula>it's just that... the noise level can be annoying after a while
14:44<rb>better. faster. cheaper. pick two.
14:44<hobot>well if youre lucky
14:46<rb>bigger box, = bigger fan, = quieter fan
14:46<atula>okay. I just cancelled the order
14:46<atula>so now, all I have is a micro ATX case with 2x1GB DDR2 800 ram
14:46<atula>I will start from beginning
14:47<atula>no more hasteful decision due to "sales" hehe
14:47<atula>but come on... 2TB for 99 bucks is awesome
14:48<rb>atula: fyi, http://www.silentpcreview.com. great source of info.
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14:49<atula>I want to build a quiet/low power server with a secure RAID-1 set up.
14:49<atula>hehe. simple request... difficult decisions throughout
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14:50<atula>if there are mobo with onboard RAID... I think that'll be better than just software raid... BUT, what if the MOBO dies... will I be left with 2 bad HDs?
14:51<atula>*sigh. this is simple stuff. when I build stuff for other people... I answer question iwth more confidence... when I buidl stuff for myself... it takes a freakin' year! to get the best stuff is a waste of money but to get the best setup with a price limit is tough too
14:52<@jed>RAID cards are replacable
14:52<@jed>onboard stuff usually isn't
14:52*pparadis likes the card route, too
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14:52<rb>"I think that'll be better than just software raid" ... if you choose that route, just but a hardware NAS appliance and be done with it. my $0.02 ...
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14:53<Nivex>drobo fs!
14:54*pparadis doesn't see why a simple RAID card with a couple of drives for home use would make someone want to go buy a NAS box instead
14:55<HoopyCat>jed,pparadis: how's the emergency upgrade path on RAID cards these days? used to get smacked by the "oh i'm sorry, that RAID was built by a rev *B* card and this is a rev *C*" a lot, which kinda turned me off hardware RAID
14:55<@pparadis>buy two ;)
14:55<@pparadis>(or more)
14:55<rb>atula: fyi ... http://www.legendmicro.com/store/8390_INTEL-SS4200-E-NAS-Fujitsu-Siemens-Branded--Scaleo-Home-Server-SS4200E.lmsp?RID=23
14:55<HoopyCat>pparadis: $boss wants hardware RAID enough to buy N, but doesn't want to pay enough to buy N+1 ;-)
14:56<@jed>HoopyCat: nearby models are good in my experience
14:56<@jed>the vendor I know of is careful to keep units compatible between cards in the same series
14:56<@jed>firmware or no
14:57<HoopyCat>i can't say i haven't had to architect distributed downtime scenarios while waiting for the fedex guy to show up
14:57<@pparadis>if in doubt, you could always recommend two mid-range RAID cards that meet your needs instead of one higher priced one. if the boss doesn't want to go for it, your hands are clean.
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14:58<HoopyCat>"Mail server C is down due to a RAID controller failure." --> "Mail server A is down due to a RAID controller failure. Mail server C is back in service, we apologize for the inconvenience." --> "We have always been at war with Mail server B. Mail server A is our ally."
14:59<HoopyCat>pparadis: then we get one mid-range RAID card...
14:59*pparadis shrugs
14:59<HoopyCat>pparadis: so that's why i'm here!
15:00<mdcollins>Wow, the game Prey is trippy..
15:00<@pparadis>i'd tell the boss it's nutty not to have replacement parts on hang
15:00<@pparadis>s/hang/hand/
15:01<@pparadis>i guess it all depends on how important uptime is for the servers in question
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15:01<HoopyCat>pparadis: 100% uptime. there's SLAs ;-)
15:01<@pparadis>oh man
15:01<rb>who needs uptime? we have Fry's!
15:01<HoopyCat>pparadis: if the lack of 100% uptime lasts for more than 8 consecutive hours...
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15:03<Daevien>mmm fry's. i miss fry's
15:07<rb>Fry's Electronics. The In-n-Out-Burger of electronics & computer parts ...
15:07<Daevien>fry's. my ideal second home
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15:07<rb>w/o Fry's there *was* no Dot.Com era ...
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15:08<rb>Daevien: Do you prefer the one's with Western motif? or the 90's Lounge Lizard look-n-feel?
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15:08<Daevien>only been to houston & dallas ones
15:09<rb>sympathies ...
15:10<Daevien>eh, i'm faaaar away from frys now :p
15:16<sirpengi>I like their sammiches
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15:19<atula>rb: any opinion on these drives? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136313
15:20<atula>it's a bit higher in money (twice as expensive) but it says RAID friendly
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15:25<HoopyCat>"RAID friendly"?
15:25<HoopyCat>is it... more prone to fail?
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15:29<atula>HoopyCat: elaborate
15:30<HoopyCat>i'm just not sure what "RAID friendly" means, or how a RAID-friendly drive would differentiate itself from a not-RAID-friendly drive :-)
15:31<HoopyCat>aside from "putting this drive in a RAID is a really good idea, if you know what we mean"
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15:32<rb>HoopyCat: raid friendly ~~ no sector recovery mode.
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15:33<rb>atula: I can only speak to these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185, which are what i use @home.
15:34<vin>maybe you can help me out
15:34<vin>should I get a Model M
15:34<vin>I already have a Das
15:35*bss recently bought a filco and is really enjoying it
15:35<HoopyCat>vin: i like my model M... i use it to knock pears out of the tree
15:36<rb>ah, the unwashed masses shift from heplful -> snarky. must be getting near lunch time.
15:36<atula>HoopyCat, rb from my limited understanding here... Raid friendly has TLER
15:37<vin>HoopyCat: so?
15:37<vin>should I get it
15:39<bss>i feel like i've betrayed the model M by preferring mechanical switches over buckling springs
15:39<rb>i stand corrected! NOT snark, but keyboards! molto appologia ...
15:40<vin>I already have a Das Keyboard so a Filco would not be much different I guess
15:40<bss>probably not, it uses cherry switches
15:40<Daevien>rb: just give hoopy soem catnip and he'll be your friend
15:40<vin>right
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15:40<vin>Pff I want a model m ;)
15:40*rb prefers MacAlly IceKeys ...
15:41<rb>Daevien: hm ... catnip. that's a bit ... er ... odd. must be an upstate-NY thing.
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15:44<rb>Guest698: perhaps paul712 ... ? less painful that way ...
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15:50*rb grumbles 'Ubuntu is cursed'. Every _other_ distro I'm able to spin up in a VM with no issues. But Ubuntu ... noooooo.
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15:51<Daevien>rb what sort of vm?
15:51<tonyyarusso>rb: Or it's *you* that's cursed.
15:51<Nivex>urmom was cursed
15:51<tonyyarusso>vin: I have a Das Keyboard too! :)
15:52<rb>Daevien: community Xen and VirtualBox both fail me ... Install's ok. But after install, get to login then -- freeze.
15:52<vin>tonyyarusso: <3
15:52<rb>tonyyarusso: likely ... is it Tuesday? yep. Then it's me.
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15:55<rb>What is it with these clickety-clackety kybds? You people type with your elbows?
15:56<rb>Tho, the knocking pears out of trees is a nice feature ...
15:56<tonyyarusso>eh? What do elbows have to do with it?
15:56<rb>tonyyarusso: Too. much. force. required.
15:56<mee>Earlier today I noticed connections would stall when I was doing a (fast) upload to my linode, but would continue unhampered if I limited the bw to ~3200kbps. Is the bw usage rules documented anywhere?
15:57<caker>mee: tat wasn't because of anything on our end
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15:57<tonyyarusso>rb: I think the force is actually about the same; it's just that they have a break point rather than being uniform the entire throw.
15:58<mee>caker: ok, thanks.
15:58<rb>tonyyarusso: hrmph. too much motion/travel ... unacceptable potential for spilling beverage-of-choice.
16:00<Daevien>rb: hmm, i've setup multiple ubuntu's under virtualbox no prob.. and under citrix xenserver
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16:07<rb>Daevien: i know, i know. Debian's fine with KDE &/or Gnome, Kubuntu's fine. Ubuntu 10.04 -- nichts!
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16:07*HoopyCat grumbles; grabs the ISO
16:07<rb>And don't say 'checksum' ... the isos are fine. ;-p
16:08<rb>HoopyCat: netinstall, CD or DVD?
16:08<HoopyCat>rb: ubuntu-10.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
16:08<satyap>ok, anyone have any idea why i'd randomly get 400 bad request on my https apache (ubuntu 10.04) server? in logs all i see is a mangled http header where a "GET /" or similar should be -- headers are getting mangled, but i can't tell why
16:09<satyap>refreshing gets me the right page, usually
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16:09<rb>HoopyCat: mine -> ubuntu-10.04-dvd-amd64.iso
16:10<sirpengi>rb: I'm assuming the kubuntu you tried was also amd64?
16:11<HoopyCat>satyap: hrrm... once the SSL connection is up, "everything should be fine"
16:11<satyap>true... i don't suppose there's anything like "oh, yeah, there's this bad gateway that mangles your packets"?
16:11<rb>sirpengi: yep, kubuntu-10.04-dvd-amd64.iso
16:12<sirpengi>I guess that rules out architecture
16:12<satyap>searching google for this, of course, results in massive posts about misconfigured ssl -- where the service *never* works
16:12<rb>sirpengi: what's serving your SSL handshake?
16:12<sirpengi>rb: who serving what?
16:13<rb>sirpengi: what does the SSL negotiation? nginx? apache/mod_ssl? other?
16:13<HoopyCat>satyap: intermittent is weird, because one of the dandy things about SSL is that it should be impervious to packet-mangling
16:13<satyap>agreed
16:13<HoopyCat>satyap: is it browser-specific?
16:13<rb>HoopyCat: !impervious if SSL caches are improperly set up & shared ...
16:13<satyap>good question. happens on firefox for sure, haven't heard reports of any others
16:13<sirpengi>rb: chipmunks? I think you mean someone else
16:13<HoopyCat>rb: i consider those to be MITM attacks >:-)
16:13<satyap>would ssl caches be on the server?
16:14<rb>agh, crap. silly autocomplete ! sirpengi, + saytap
16:14<satyap>this thing is hard to reproduce
16:14<rb>sirpengi: you can kill the chipmunks now ...
16:14<satyap>heh
16:15<satyap>this is apache with mod_ssl
16:15<sirpengi>== chipmunks
16:15<rb>satyap: yes they would ...
16:15<satyap>pretty stock setup
16:15<satyap>hmm, i don't recall touching any config regarding ssl cache
16:15<rb>saytap single site? single apache instance?
16:16*satyap tries to think... virtual host, single apache instance
16:16<mdcollins>Comcast is so nice.. They offer IE 8 as a free download!
16:16<deejoe>what a sweet deal
16:16<rb>satyap: most likely not the prob, then. er , wait ...
16:17<rb>satyap are your SSL certs single or mutliple domain or wildcard?
16:17<satyap>how bad is it that i don't know?
16:19<rb>I've had issues in the past with multidomain certs when used for multiple sites on the same cert on the same IP -- i.e., SSL via NameVirtualHost
16:19<satyap>single domain
16:19<rb>nm, then
16:19<sirpengi>rb: afaik the only difference between kubuntu and ubuntu are the included packages. same kernel and init stuff so weird that ubuntu won't boot in your vm while kubuntu will
16:19<rb>tonyyarusso: was right. must be me. (is it happy hour yet?)
16:19<satyap>https://www.calipsoclient.com/ is where it is
16:20<satyap>i ought to point the https to the http side
16:20<rb>satyap: openssl s_client is your friend.
16:22<rb>mdcollins: Yeah, it's free ... but the 47x DL restarts to actually get it push you over your B/W cap, and ... wel,, there you go ... $$$!
16:22<mdcollins>Good thing I don't use IE.
16:23<rb>does anyone?
16:23<satyap>i don't work enough with certs to know those commands, so it's always a pain to go look them up. but that's how one learns, so here i go
16:23<sirpengi>60% of our clients still do
16:23<satyap>rb: IE? Yep. :(
16:23<satyap>100% of my work customers do, according to official ... umm.... minitruth?
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16:23<mdcollins>Ooh, portal 2 release date of Feb 9th, 2011
16:23<rb>sigh
16:24<satyap>though people will grudgingly admit that macos exists, and some individuals will say we ought to be using FF but we have vendors who say IE6, until death do us part and beyond
16:24<satyap>portal, that reminds me, i need to boot my winbox... or search openssl commands first
16:24<rb>"until death do us part and beyond" -- there's a clear solution to that ...
16:25*HoopyCat usually fakes user-agent and they're none the wiser
16:25<satyap>"and beyond".... and me not CIO, me cog
16:25*satyap feels unclean to fake UA, and it's hard to do that when site is ActiveX
16:25<HoopyCat>oh christ
16:26<Nivex>HoopyCat: yes my son?
16:26<rb>i was thinking more the death part, but ok ...
16:26<rb>heh
16:26*HoopyCat hands satyap a couple cyanide capsules
16:26<rb>people still use ActiveX?
16:26<satyap>meh, i code my code and dont use the AX stuff
16:27<satyap>well... i guess not
16:27<rb>it's like TheLearningChannel in here
16:27<satyap>but seeabove. IE6 was not a typo
16:27<rb>no. i prefer not to look.
16:27<satyap>so yeah s_client says it's a single domain
16:27<rb>HoopyCat: catnip. cyaninde. dehumidifiers. you running an Acme store over there?
16:28<satyap>heh. my son is yelling at my mom's boss (in absentia)
16:28<satyap>er, his mom's
16:28<rb>urmom's?
16:29<rb>satyap: heh, you didn't need s_client to determine that. header analysis, rather. with Firebug too.
16:29<satyap>yeah i guess
16:29<satyap>anyway... now what?
16:30<HoopyCat>wowza
16:30<HoopyCat>this thai crystallized ginger is potent
16:31<satyap>i guess i could shibbize my app
16:31<satyap>for added fun
16:31<mdcollins>Oh wow, this video of portal 2 is crazy.
16:32<rb>HoopyCat: Make ginger ale with that stuff, man!
16:32<rb>shibbize? is this #ch r-rated?
16:32*satyap wants to play more kingdom of loathing
16:33<satyap>i don't know why that would be r-rated, but i was referring to the shibboleth authn system
16:34<mdcollins>For anyone interested: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/08/18/portal-2-on-screen-footage-other-stuff/
16:34<rb>a little disconcerting when shibbize is used as a verb ... but, ok
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16:42<rb>well, i never REALLY wanted to use Ubuntu anyway. install's horked under KVM, as well. (AND, I now remember why I don't like KVM ...)
16:43<satyap>still having trouble imagining what shibbize could *possibly* mean as a verb. guess i've been hanging out with the identity mgmt crowd too long
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16:46<HoopyCat>rb: for what it's worth, the installer video is boned here
16:47<vuf>is F-Spot a good photo manager?
16:47<HoopyCat>rb: (under virtualbox)
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16:50<rb>HoopyCat: boned? is that good, or bad (like horked?) ....
16:51<HoopyCat>rb: boned is, at least in this context, bad
16:52<rb>got it. misery loves company. thx for checking.
16:52<HoopyCat>i mean, don't get me wrong, there are occasions where being boned is awesome, but usually not during OS installs
16:52<rb>heh. HoopyCat: btw, is that real Thai ginger? imported?
16:52<HoopyCat>rb: "PRODUCT OF THAILAND" sayeth the label
16:52<rb>ooh! excellent. Rehydrate the ginger in Dark Rum, or Cacaca (Leblon's my fave), then make this http://oneperfectbite.blogspot.com/2010/04/homemade-ginger-ale-and-candied-ginger.html
16:53<HoopyCat>rb: oh, and my video just became unboned
16:53<rb>pfft.
16:53<HoopyCat>and i have... a voicemail? from myself?
16:53<HoopyCat>shit's weird man
16:53<HoopyCat>[Aug 24 20:49:18] WARNING[3743] chan_sip.c: Maximum retries exceeded on transmission 40f871665fcb54bb2623b8aa539c6e4e@97.107.134.213 for seqno 103 (Critical Request)
16:54<rb>Asterisk?
16:56<HoopyCat>yup... i do, also, believe my forward-on-no-answer to google voice is utterly failing
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16:57<HoopyCat>rb: this is fighting through it the best it can, but it is putting a heavy load on the magic grid
16:59<rb>asterisk made my eyes bleed -- switched to freeswich.
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17:01<rb>bb4n ciao.
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17:05*HoopyCat gets hit by a falling unicorn conduit
17:06<HoopyCat>oh god, the magic field is collapsing, we're about to lose the PHP handlers
17:07<TheFirst>and just what have you been smoking?
17:08<HoopyCat>TheFirst: rb tricked me into installing ubuntu inside ubuntu
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17:26<deejoe>yo dawg
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17:38<HoopyCat>"I don't want to mow the lawn." "<community[x] webhost and freenet> is going away at the end of the month, and <organization> needs to put their stuff somewhere." "thank you!"
17:39<@jed>BILLIN IN THE NAME OF
17:39<@jed>Now ya pay what we told ya
17:39<straterra>dun dun DUN
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17:41<HoopyCat>alas, we're at the "get them to register a .ca domain and point it at ns1 through ns5 then let me know what it is" stage, which i hope to god doesn't have to go through a budget committee
17:41<linbot>New news from forums: Working around Google Apps limits or simplest send only MTA? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5940>
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17:44*HoopyCat grabs the plunger
17:44<HoopyCat>EXTERMINATE ALL TILDES
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17:49<HoopyCat>>>> time.timezone/60/60
17:49<HoopyCat>5
17:49<HoopyCat>hmm.
17:50<HoopyCat>i suspect someone forgot to try this library during the summer...
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18:12<deejoe>df
18:13<deejoe>fail
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18:14<vin>Yeah, df -h is way more useful
18:14<HoopyCat>i dunno, you lose a lot of granularity if you're stalking it
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18:37<bd_>HoopyCat: df -m then :)
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18:42<HoopyCat>bd_: still hides small differences :-)
18:42<HoopyCat>afk, eating yak shavings
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18:50<pwnguin>well thats annoying. my static front page is slower than the php webapps that also run on it
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18:51<pwnguin>although
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18:51<pwnguin>i guess the front page has way more content
18:52<pwnguin>also, 404 is super fast =/
18:52*pwnguin pays attention to details this time
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19:02<orudie>why is youtube so slow in HD ?
19:03<Kyhwana>..
19:03<Kyhwana>because it uses more bandwidth?
19:03<Kyhwana>and your connection sucks?
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19:10<maushu>orudie, or you need a new computer.
19:11<orudie>Kyhwana, no
19:11<orudie>maushu, no
19:11<maushu>Yes.
19:11<orudie>NO
19:13<orudie>i find it buggy lately
19:13<orudie>in a sense where
19:13<orudie>I have to wait a very long time for it to buffer
19:13<orudie>and no, my connection doesn't suck
19:13<orudie>its fast and stable
19:14<orudie>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df_Z8ZQKBac
19:14<Kyhwana>if you're waiting for it to buffer, that means it's still downloading
19:14<orudie>pick original from the quality tab and see how long you are going to wait
19:14<orudie>i understand that
19:14<orudie>but sometimes i don't have to wait
19:14<orudie>at all
19:18<orudie>actually right now its not that bad but
19:18<orudie>bad
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19:30<swaj>The youtube slowness happens to me a lot, too
19:30<swaj>and I have 16 Mbit cable
19:30<swaj>seems to only happen on certain videos, though
19:30<swaj>most are fine
19:30<HoopyCat>WAIT ⌚
19:31<@caker>!enter
19:31<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
19:31<swaj>but I like
19:31<swaj>typing on multiple lines
19:31<@caker>How to
19:31<@caker>keep
19:31<@caker>an idiot
19:31<@caker>in
19:32<encode>... his box
19:32<@caker>suspense?
19:32<HoopyCat>SEE OTHER CHANNEL
19:32<pwnguin>the youtube flash player sucks pretty bad in fullscreen for me
19:33<pwnguin>i just download the video and totem plays them effortlessly
19:33<swaj>I blame it on chrome and its embedded flash player. Safari seems to do better with the official flash client.
19:33<sirpengi>you'd also save more bandwidth if you didn't press enter so often
19:33<pwnguin>take note: google doesn't support green video playback
19:34<JshWright>I don't watch YouTube videos that don't run in the HTML5 player
19:34<swaj><CR><LF> takes insane amounts of bandwidth :P
19:34<pwnguin>JshWright: is it any more efficient?
19:34<sirpengi>there's also the message envelope, in any case, it's a few more bytes for your youtube videos
19:34<HoopyCat>swaj: it's not the \n, it's the :HoopyCat!~rtucker@hoptical-illusion.hoopycat.com PRIVMSG #linode :times ~400
19:34<swaj>just removes flash from the picture. Your browser plays the video natively.
19:34<Nivex>IP,TCP,SSH,IRC
19:34<pwnguin>last i checked, HTML5 playback was terrible
19:35<Nivex>oh wait, SSH is just me for my mad tunnels
19:35<HoopyCat>OFTC's ircd also has a kitten leak issue
19:35<Nivex>everything goes better with SSH :P
19:35<swaj>hybrid is such trash :P
19:35<swaj>tj should finish his python ircd
19:36<Nivex>ngircd is pretty hawt
19:36<swaj>I wanted to write one in C#
19:36<HoopyCat>i'm actually using an ICQ<->IRC gateway so i can use odigo
19:36<swaj>just to see how well managed code could handle it
19:37<swaj>I haven't used ngircd before. I should take a look at that
19:38<Nivex>only issue I see someone running into is that it defaults to 9 character nick per the RFC
19:38<Nivex>it can be overridden at compile time though
19:38<swaj>yeah
19:39<swaj>I was debating that in my C# ircd. 9 characters seems small, though I wanted to be true to the RFC unlike the beautiful "Unreal's" out there :P
19:40<HoopyCat>good luck with that
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19:41<swaj>hehe
19:41<JshWright>pwnguin: HTML5 in Chrome on OSX works a lot better than Flash in Chrome on OSX
19:41<swaj>I know most people seem to think C# is crap for an IRCd, but I just wanted to do it for fun and to see how well it would run both under the native Microsoft .NET implementation and mono
19:42<HoopyCat>swaj: it's not the C# part i'm good-luck-with-thatting, it's the "true to the RFC" part :-)
19:42<swaj>hehe
19:42<HoopyCat>(good-lucking-with-that?)
19:42<rb>C#, crap, Microsoft, .NET & mono -- all in one sentence. Has sort of a linguistic beauty to it ...
19:43<HoopyCat>as someone who has a C++ book in his pile, i am obviously superior to C# programmers, but that doesn't factor into it
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19:43<swaj>C# pays my bills, and it's quite awesome for web development. Most of my work projects are in ASP.NET MVC and/or Silverlight.
19:44<swaj>that said, I'm tinkering with Ruby on Rails in my spare time. I thought about messing with Django, too.
19:45<HoopyCat>i suppose the saving grace for full-time C#ing is that state law requires insurers cover mental health services the same as normal medical services
19:45<rb>HoopyCat: Yes, but can you Haiku in C++? http://tinyurl.com/24kfg67
19:45<swaj>C# is honestly a wonderful language :P
19:45<HoopyCat>rb: i probably can't even hello-world without looking it up ;-)
19:45<rb>heh. hollerith fields forever!
19:49<rb>HoopyCat: Condolences on the NY sliced-bagel tax ... that, AND snow in the winter. sigh.
19:50<rb>I have relatives in Rochester ... they're staging a revolt.
19:56<pwnguin>JshWright: but how about totem/quicktime/things that have played video for ages/?
19:56<JoeK>will my b/w counter go up even if my linode is off?
19:56<JoeK>(if somebody sends traffic to my ip, while the linode is off)
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19:57<HoopyCat>rb: i honestly have no idea why this is news to people... preparing a bagel definitely puts it outside of the grocery exemption, but whatever. i'm rather prone to not understand why there's big fusses about particular things.
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19:59<HoopyCat>rb: then again, if your competition is coding it as an exempt item, it's tough to rock the boat :-)
20:04<swaj>node.js could be fun
20:05<@caker>JoeK: not if your node is off, no.
20:05<JoeK>so, lets hypothetically say i was being attacked
20:05<JoeK>not enough to disrupt service, but enough to drive my b/w counter up
20:05<JoeK>would i be able to turn off my node to save b/w from going up?
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20:06<@caker>19:56 < JoeK> will my b/w counter go up even if my linode is off?
20:06<@caker>20:05 <@caker> JoeK: not if your node is off, no.
20:06<JoeK>just making sure i read everything correctly :P:
20:07<@caker>:)
20:07<rb>HoopyCat: I've been hearing nuthin' but fussin' from Rochesterites (Rochesterarians? Rochchesterfarians?) re: "Fiscal Corruption in Bell, CA" for weeks. It ain't news, neither! Turnabout's fair play ...
20:08<HoopyCat>from this end, i've heard nothing about bell, california :-)
20:09<rb>'s ok. probly the fog of depression from the whole bagel episode ...
20:09<HoopyCat>personally, i think there's worse crimes: http://cakewrecks.blogspot.com/2010/08/heres-your-sprinkles.html
20:11<HoopyCat>rb: i don't pay for bagels very often, and i usually get 'em toasted with butter or peanut butter anyway (which is TOTALLY taxable), so the net impact on me is approximately zero
20:11<rb>ok, like, i am NOT clicking on ANY url with the word 'sprinkles' in it ...
20:11<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:11<HoopyCat>rb: don't worry, there's no actual sprinkles on the second cake
20:11<rb>mikegrb: heh. g'morning ?
20:12<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
20:12<HoopyCat>it's not morning; if it were, he'd be craving bacon
20:13<JshWright>pwnguin: too much hassle to download them
20:13<rb>mikegrb: i have some in the cold smoker ... you need videos?
20:16<JshWright>rb: we don't actually have bagels in upstate NY
20:16<JshWright>(and that was a trigger from mikegrb, he's not actually here)
20:16<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
20:16<JshWright>watch... bacon
20:16<rb>JshWright: Well, not like *I* was gonna point that out ...
20:16<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
20:16<rb>seriously? bacon
20:17<rb>gagh!
20:17<rb>caker
20:17<rb>hm, nope. nice parser.
20:17<rb>setup
20:17<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:17<JshWright>cake
20:18<rb>just checking the caker-filter ...
20:22<rb>HoopyCat: peanut butter?
20:25<HoopyCat>rb: is delicious on toast
20:27<rb>HoopyCat: yes, but bagels ... must be a penalty-tax. that'd 'splain it.
20:32*rb thinks my netbook is overheating ... not good
20:32<HoopyCat>rb: http://www.tax.state.ny.us/pdf/publications/sales/pub880_798.pdf ... i dunno, was clearly a conspiracy of the pataki administration
20:32<straterra>Oh yeah? I have a cloaky, probing pirate badger in Eve Online
20:33<straterra>TAKE THAT
20:34<rb>HoopyCat: ice cubes are taxable in NY, too? more fodder to poke the badgers with!
20:34<rb>straterra: not your badger ...
20:35<HoopyCat>rb: what state do you live in?
20:35<rb>HoopyCat: CA. Where it's 84 at the beach, atm.
20:35*HoopyCat puts away the red binder
20:35<Nivex>Search term "poke the badger" not found. Did you mean "installing Linux on a dead badger"?
20:37<Nivex>urmom is taxable in all 50 states
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20:37<rb>Nivex: (1) get a better search engine (http://www.zazzle.com/i_poke_badgers_tshirt-235771255771230765) (2) no, torturing relatives with annoying NY factoids
20:38*rb suspects Nivex seaches with Yahoo/Bing
20:38<HoopyCat>rb: Pub 31, page 5: ice is taxable.
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20:39<rb>HoopyCat: I know. So's 'Vichy water' (Damned French!), and 'YooHoo soda' (no freakin' clue ...)
20:39<rb>Your politicans MAY be more useless than ours!
20:41<HoopyCat>rb: so why are you mocking NYS for not exempting ice cubes when california specifically taxes all forms of retail ice? :-)
20:41<rb>the fact that NY taxes YooHoo, but Ovaltine is exempt seems indicative of a massive conspiracy ....
20:42<rb>"Why am I mocking NYS". Let's break that down ...
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20:42<HoopyCat>rb: we fit the entire exemption list in two pages; you guys take two pages just to discuss the various tax rates depending on whether or not the establishment has a record of prices for individual items in a meat and cheese tray with a serving utensil
20:43<rb>(1) I'm in the @Linode chat room (2) people are saying things like "I have a cloaky, probing pirate badger (3) rinse, repeat, etc etc
20:43<linbot>New news from forums: Anyone ever setup a WiKID server in Linode? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5941>
20:43<rb>HoopyCat: Did I mention it's 84 at the beach?
20:44<HoopyCat>rb: will be this weekend; for now, i've got the windows open and am not sweating, so i think i win :-)
20:44<HoopyCat>rb: install is still at 54%, by the way. excellent job trolling me with the virtualbox bloated OS install
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20:45<rb>HoopyCat: pfft. this is my view as I type http://www.ci.capitola.ca.us/. i'm not sweating, but, as I said, i think my netbook's melting ...
20:46<rb>HoopyCat: Still installing? hehe. I live to serve!
20:47<HoopyCat>rb: oof, having to look at a table-based layout
20:47<rb>HoopyCat: squint. look at the waves ...
20:48<HoopyCat>rb: i'd send a local picture, but we're having a sun outage
20:48<rb>HoopyCat: see? your bagel-tax dollars NOT at work, clearly
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20:49<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:49<HoopyCat>rb: y'all've been doing great things with your meat tray itemization and decorated children's birthday cake policies
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20:50<HoopyCat>rb: glad to see there's hope through republican administrations
20:51<HoopyCat>now that's what i call...
20:51*HoopyCat puts on night-vision goggles
20:51<HoopyCat>california emissions
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20:51<HoopyCat>(yeah?)
20:53<rb>HoopyCat: you've got a tweeting dehumidifier AND night-vision goggles?
20:53*rb don't do meat trays.
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20:55<HoopyCat>i don't do restaurant bagels either
20:55<rb>touche.
20:55<HoopyCat>thus, can we both just complain about cigarette taxes? :-)
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20:57<rb>hehe ...
20:57<rb>don't have to worry about them here. we've forbidden smoking within 50ft of california
20:59<HoopyCat>oh hey, no wonder wa% has been nonzero for a few hours, i left rtorrent running
21:00<rb>6p. the witching hour (aka, last hour of hapy hour). g'night.
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21:04<encode>http://eyeos.org/ <-- can anyone think of a reason for this to exist?
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21:06<HoopyCat>encode: well, it looks like cloud
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21:08<HoopyCat>encode: From its first steps, eyeOS has been planned and created to be intuitie and easy to use.
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21:11<ssteinerX>plus: Cloud Computing technology enables a company to render energetic costs and increase efficiency without impact structures.
21:11<ssteinerX>whatever the fuck that means
21:12<HoopyCat>Please try your Nice Cloud Computing With Linodes the traditional and typical of Cloud glonous history and cultual.
21:12<ssteinerX>wow, did you do their site?
21:13<ssteinerX>one of their "solutions" is "IBM Mainframe"
21:13<HoopyCat>no, i'm just a packaging designer for disposable utensils, why do you ask?
21:13<HoopyCat>http://eyeos.org/index.php?p=whatiseyeos_technically
21:13<HoopyCat>I'LL TAKE THE AJAX PLZ
21:15<ssteinerX>what?! no SOAP?
21:15<HoopyCat>radio
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21:39<tjfontaine>swaj: I really should
21:40<swaj>hybrid not working for you? or you just feel like having some fun? :P
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21:43<tjfontaine>swaj: hybrid inflexible for my liking and has lots of cruft
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22:00<HoopyCat>don't switch the blade on the guy in shades, oh no / don't masquerade with the guy in shades, oh no / i can't belieeeve it
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22:02<sirpengi>is it bad if my first reading of switch is as a logic structure?
22:03<HoopyCat>i had to push the lyrics button, so it's possible you remember the song entirely differently
22:04<HoopyCat>mahaha, hiya, give it to me one time now; yeah, woah, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho; well, now.
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22:24<encode>"I need the Python but I have not it. What have I to do?" <-- haha
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22:26<JshWright><insert urmom joke re: my python>
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22:27<encode>(that was in the eyeos install manual)
22:27<encode>along with gems like "After we do that If we are On a Unix meshen we need to chmod 777 our eyeOS folder"
22:28<encode>security is clearly viewed as an obstacle rather than a feature
22:28<@mikegrb>lolz
22:28<pixl>lol
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22:31<sirpengi>it's computing in the cloud, we want it available to everyone
22:33<@mikegrb>lolz
22:33<pixl>lol
22:33<pixl>absolutely everyone
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23:41<Kyhwana>hmmm
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