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00:00<Aka>Opera and IE seem to be the most difficult to get right when Chrome/Safari/Firefox all look the same
00:00<hobot>yeah stumble is great
00:00<hobot>I do enjoy it
00:03<amitz>cmiiw. Total cost of buying mac for video/photo editing and music management is less than buying an equivalent windows with the same capability?
00:04<hobot>well is photoshop cheaper on the mac
00:05<amitz>there is ivideo. this is for n00b
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00:05<amitz>I wanted to install linux instead for I must admit mac is "fire and forget"
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00:07<amitz>now, the problem is, should I goe mac mini or macbook? there is the portability factor, but then there is the awkward video cable on macbook.
00:07<Aka>Doesn't the Mac Mini have an awkward video cable as well?
00:07<amitz>the newer on has mini-dvi instead of the proprietary one.
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00:08<Aka>I thought the newer one had miniDP and HDMI->DVI adaptor
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00:10<Aka>Wow there's no power brick on the Mini? neat
00:12<amitz>oh yes, but hdmi is the standard, not dvi
00:13<amitz>for those common average monitors.
00:13<Aka>I'd love to get something like the Mini, I rarely game on my PC now.
00:13<Aka>And now that I'm back down to 2 monitors, the Mini has enough ports for that
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00:14<Aka>But I want to keep my 8 GB of RAM, and I think it should have a Bluray drive for what it costs.
00:15<Aka>And I use way more USB ports than 4...
00:15<Aka>Would be nice if I could get the SD card slot removed and just continue the USB ports all the way to the edge
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00:17*amitz hunts to stores. Well, more like browses... :-p
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00:19<Aka>hmm I can get 8 GB of memory in one for $200 off newegg
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00:19<Gnewt>If I referred someone to Linode but they didn't use my referral code, can they still do that?
00:20<Aka>wow Apple wants $550 for the same thing...
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00:24<Kyhwana>Gnewt: not sure, you could submit a ticket and see..
00:24<Gnewt>And also, will the old Linode manager stay available even after the new one becomes the default?
00:26<checkers>there's a new linode manager?
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00:27<Gnewt>Yeah check the signin page
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00:28<Aka>I can't login to Linode Manager Beta
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00:33<Aka>amitz, is there anything comparable to the Mac Mini in terms of size
00:34<hobot>didnt dell bring out something like that aka
00:34<hobot>dell zino
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00:34<Aka>It's the size of the old Mini
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00:54<amitz>Aka: many but nothing beats the software combination.
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00:54<Aka>amitz, there are others in that formfactor? really?
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01:00<amitz>the casing? yeah. at least doy.
01:00<Aka>if I built my own case you mean? or you can buy cases that small?
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01:34<terres>Hi. I am hoping someone here is patient and friendly.
01:34<terres>Because I am SO lost.
01:35<@ericoc>terres: sure, what's up?
01:37<terres>I bought a linode account to install a chat software package, because our existing one, on another server, is dead. I am new to linux, and thought I could muddle through. I cannot even figure out what my address is, how to ftp to my linode server, so totally lost.
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01:38<@ericoc>terres: well, an FTP server isn't installed by default on a Linode. we usually recommend you use SSH or SFTP
01:38<terres>I know I sound like an idiot. I am not a technical person. But that chat is my whole social life.
01:38<terres>I am going through the beginner's guide. But it's totally greek to me.
01:38<terres>I think I made a mistake creating a domain.
01:39<@ericoc>as pparadis, the Linode Library, is an *awesome* resource, there's a beginner's guide and may be helpful too
01:39<@pparadis>there's a lot of really good information on linux essentials here, too -->
01:39<@pparadis>is the chat software xmpp based?
01:39<@pparadis>(xmpp == jabber)
01:39<terres>I am reading that stuff. It just has me so lost.
01:40<terres>No, it's ajax based. It's 123 chat. Their demo version, I've downloaded.
01:40<@pparadis>well, i think your best bet is to ask specific questions when you run into an obstacle.
01:40<amitz>Aka: you can buy case that small. google mini-itx
01:40<terres>I have FileZilla, which seems to have sftp ability. I don't know what to enter, where though. And I am very concerned about the domain I created.
01:41<@pparadis>we have a filezilla guide in the library
01:41<terres>If someone could link me straight to that I would be so grateful.
01:41<@pparadis>well, it's actually for installing it, but using it is very straightforward.
01:42<terres>The other thing is, if someone could give me an idea as to how to create some kind of domain. So that the chat can be used, if that makes sense?
01:42<@pparadis>you will need to specify sftp as the protocol and connect to your linode's IP address, using "root" and the password you set for root when you deployed the linode
01:43<@pparadis>we aren't a domain name registrar, but you're free to register a domain with any registrar you like.
01:43<terres>OK. I think that was my first mistake, I kept using "terres" as the password.
01:43<@pparadis>really, the library is your best first bet for information. when you have specific questions, this channel is good.
01:44<terres>Well, here's the thing. We have a domain. It is hosted on another service. Ideally, we'd like to somehow borrow from that. If that is not possible, I would like to know how to connect a domain I would register to my linode account.
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01:44*pparadis hands the reigns over to ericoc, as i've got to go back to bed or i'm not going to get up in the morning.
01:45<terres>What port does sftp want?
01:45<terres>I'm sorry I'm stupid about this stuff. I really am trying to learn.
01:45<dvdm>terres: take a look at /etc/services
01:46<terres>That worked! I connected!
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01:49<charlie>is there a penalty or something for using a ton of CPU for a night?
01:49<InflatableSoulmate>charlie: Linode's offices are in Jersey... so they obviously have mob connections. I hope you dont have much use for your kneecaps.
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01:51<@ericoc>charlie: no penalty, we wouldn't really appreciate you running seti, but the occasional spike won't make us yell at you
01:51<charlie>ericoc, okay
01:51<InflatableSoulmate>awww... eric ruined all the fun :(
01:51<charlie>ericoc, this may go on for tonight and tomorrow morning, the processors are at like 90-100% :S
01:52<charlie>or cores i mean
01:52<@ericoc>there's a maximum of 400%
01:53<terres>OK, there's the software package uploading to my root directory. There's me hoping I've got my LISH ajax console open right. And me knowing my domain is totally wrong.
01:53<terres>I'm roslyn by the way if any of you are from the place that referred me here.
01:55<hobot>m not but hello
01:55<terres>I am completely panicking about the domain and all that. I am beyond lost.
01:56<hobot>its ok
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01:56<hobot>here is the first step to internet stuff
01:56<hobot>youre gonna break it
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01:56<hobot>dont worry about it
01:56<hobot>next step is to read a lot of documentation
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01:57<terres>Can I private message you hobot, so I don't bother everyone here? It's that I'm in a terrible bind, and it's time sensitive. I will be reading a lot of docs, I promise, since unix will be my new home environment. But at the moment I have an emergency.
01:57<hobot>normally we do group troubleshooting
01:57<hobot>and im not the most learned man
01:57<hobot>im still learning myself
01:57<terres>I don't mind that, I just feel like I'm driving people here crazy. :(
01:57<hobot>please ask for help here people are nice
01:58<hobot>they will tell you off imo
01:58<hobot>everyone learns
01:58<hobot>where are we now
01:58<hobot>what guide are you following
02:00<terres>Right now I am trying to blunder through with the guides on the site. But they are starting at a level higher than I am at.
02:00<hobot>so what is your goal
02:01<terres>If I may explain. We have a domain, hosted with someone else. We can't really just move it from there, but it seems like "SLAVE" option allows to kind of borrow from it. I could be completely wrong there. We need a domain, whether it's borrowing from that one or buying a new one, and it needs to be connected to this linode account I bought.
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02:02<hobot>ok so you need to get this website to be available if someone visits, or would it be ok if it had a subdomain such as
02:02<hobot>because its pretty easy to setup your site on one domain and a linode on an subdomain
02:03<terres>If someone visits to point to the chat software I am in the process of uploading, yes.
02:03<terres>OK, that is exactly what I think I want. I just have no idea whatsoever how.
02:03<hobot>I mean there is a lot of other stuff involved in maintaining webservers and stuff honestly than just directing someone to a service on a port
02:03<hobot>like making sure its updated and secure and crap
02:03<hobot>im not great at that stuff either lol
02:03<terres>But without the subdomain, I can't even get to that.
02:04<hobot>well you can
02:04<hobot>just not at
02:04<hobot>linode gives out subdomains
02:04<hobot>to everyone
02:04<terres>One step at a time for me, and I'm going to keep my head down and keep pushing until it's done.
02:04<terres>OK, how do I get mine?
02:04<hobot>its in your linode control panel
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02:05<hobot>let me load it up
02:05<terres>Then I cannot find it.
02:05<hobot>go to this
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02:05<hobot>you might need to sign in
02:06<hobot>do you see where it says RDNS
02:06<hobot>that is your subdomain for your linode
02:06<hobot>so anyone can visit it on the web there
02:08<hobot>as for the subdomain
02:08<hobot>I just added an A record to my domain
02:09<hobot>so for instance directs to my linode's ip
02:09<hobot>pretty simple
02:11<terres>That last part lost me totally.
02:11<terres>I found my RDNS. Everything after that you said is greek to me.
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02:11<hobot>so rpgnet is a domain name right
02:12<gxdia>hey guys, i just pasted a question on freenode but it doesnt look like anyone's around, ok to ask in here?
02:12<hobot>im not going to go into the whole domain name system but basically youre paying someone to keep the records on that name
02:12<hobot>generally around 10 bucks a year
02:12<terres>dreamhost.something, yes.
02:12<hobot>ok that's easy then
02:12<terres>Well, I don't know. We pay them for hosting.
02:12<hobot>go log in
02:12<hobot>if its dreamhost I can tell you how to do it
02:13<terres>OK, getting the password for it.
02:13<terres>(It's my partner's hosting.)
02:14<gxdia>ok well here goes anyway. Prior to adding my domain as a 'site' in ISPConfig, it resolved fine but it pointed to /var/www (web root) instead of /var/www/ After adding it as a 'site' in ispconfig, it no longer resolves.. but i can access through FTP. Any idea how to fix this?
02:14<terres>OK, logged into dreamhost.
02:14<hobot>Login to > click domains > click manage domains > click DNS under the domain name you would like to manage > add the subdomain you would like to point at your server in the name field, select type A, enter your server's IP from your linode networking control panel, click add record now
02:14<hobot>youre done
02:14<hobot>thats it
02:16<terres>The IP goes where it says "value"?
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02:16<hobot>you got it
02:16<gxdia>i might add that the dns is pointing at ns1/, and i have a dns zone set up through linode's interface
02:17<gxdia>if anyone could help i'd apprecaite it, ready to bang my head on my keyboard
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02:17<hobot>I dont know gxdia
02:17<gxdia>is the chan pretty active during the day (US) ?
02:17<gxdia>i suppose i can sleep on it
02:18<hobot>sorry caps
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02:18<hobot>if I am the most active one here its dead
02:18<gxdia>haha, ok thanks
02:19<terres>OK so now what do I do in the linode control panel for it?
02:19<hobot>the linode is not really involved
02:19<Marius>sacrifice a virgin
02:20<hobot>well be nice and just make them a non-virgin
02:20<hobot>what is that called
02:20<terres>OK, to put it delicately, I already did stuff in there before coming in here. Is that going to screw me up, or am I OK? How do I get rid of.
02:20<hobot>a post virgin
02:20<hobot>a normal
02:20<terres>And crap, I was installing that chat and the linode console timed out. I have no idea how to start it now. :P
02:20<hobot>like in your linode control panel
02:21<terres>You'd think they'd include a manual. :/
02:22<hobot>only if you've never written software
02:22<@pparadis>manual -->
02:22<terres>Oh, no, I meant for the chat software.
02:22<@pparadis>ah :)
02:22<hobot>what chat software is that
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02:23<terres>While I was fixing the domain, it was installing, finished installing, then the ajax console timed out so I can't see what it would have told me.
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02:23<terres>The software is 123flashchat
02:23<terres>It's a temporary solution I hope.
02:24<hobot>oh yeah I actually looked this up for uofr
02:24<hobot>yeah university of reddit was doing some peer learning stuff and looking for good video chatting stuff
02:24<hobot>its not a real university
02:24<hobot>its a website
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02:26<hobot>they expect you to use vi
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02:26<hobot>its something you can certainly use but you might want to try nano instead for starters
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02:27<terres>What is vi?
02:27<hobot>its a terminal program
02:27<Marius>nothing wrong with vim!
02:27<hobot>its not where you are really
02:27<hobot>its great
02:28<hobot>I love vim
02:28<hobot>not for a first time bash experience
02:28<Marius>I think I used nano ONCE, hated it and jumped straight on vim
02:28<gxdia>do any of you guys use ispconfig?
02:28<Marius>but by all means, to each his own, and I can totally see nano being easier to use for someone just starting at it
02:28<Marius>gxdia: I looked at their website once, does that count? xD
02:29<terres>Marius, are you a role-player?
02:29<gxdia>pico is the easiest to use in my experience
02:29<Marius>I have been meaning to install it to see how it functions though
02:29<gxdia>but im comfortable in vi now
02:29<Marius>terres: not at all
02:29<hobot>yeah I mean when I started using vim I was like "let me start typing" "wtf" "wtf" "ctrlc"
02:29<Marius>unless you mean MMORPG, then yes, at times
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02:29<gxdia>marius: well in my case it's not functioning very well, lol
02:30<Marius>oh I still forget that hobot, and I'll start typing, nothing happens, 5 lines get sdeleted, then I accidentally hit the "i" while typign and it starts writing everything where I jstu deleted important shit
02:30<terres>I knew a Marius who did. He was super nice.
02:30<Marius>then it's :q! and start over
02:30<Marius>terres: I'm not your man then, I'm an asshole
02:30<hobot>he's kind of an asshole but he is pretty useful
02:30<hobot>so we keep him around
02:31<@ericoc>mwalling is the resident asshole though. the !rules say so
02:31<linbot>(#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole (#5) jkwood is utterly insane, (#5) HoopyCat is the resident <redacted>
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02:31<hobot>I mean its like a gunslinger town you know
02:31<hobot>everyone is a gunslinger
02:31<hobot>someone has to be the biggest asshole
02:31<terres>OK, I am going to be going back and forth from instructions to panel, so here's two questions. Can someone suggest a panel interface that is easiest on the eyes? And more importantly, how can I get it not to time out so fast?
02:31<Marius>How can this be...
02:31<Marius>I'm not being mean enough on here, on the other network I used to be the BOFH, with an additional B^* at the beginning
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02:32<hobot>I cannot remember one thing you've ever done i've found offensive or crude
02:32<hobot>so you better get crackin
02:32<hobot>well terres you could login with a program instead of the website
02:32<hobot>aka putty or terminal if youre on the mac
02:32<Marius>I would think me randomly spurting out obscenities to people wanting to learn the *nix for the first time would help me get the label
02:32<terres>OK, I have putty.
02:32<Marius>I guess it's jsut not enough these days...
02:33<terres>(I wish I was still on mac!!!)
02:33<hobot>oh I thought that was called friendship
02:33<Marius>terres: now I hate you
02:33<Marius>you do NOT wish you were on a mac
02:33*Marius smacks it with a rolled up newspaper
02:33<hobot>macs are pretty nice compared to windows
02:33<Marius>yes and no
02:33<hobot>I like system events a lot
02:33<terres>Lemme see with putty what I have to do to log in.
02:33<hobot>a lot
02:33<Marius>they're a bitch at times
02:33<hobot>yeah that's true
02:33<hobot>no lie
02:33<Marius>terres, you type the hostname on the first screen and click the "connect" button :P
02:33<Marius>it then asks for credentials
02:33<hobot>switch the protocol to ssh
02:33<terres>I tried ubuntu but there was one problem with it. It's java version made the old chat software look HIDEOUS.
02:34<Marius>it's ssh by default
02:34<terres>hostname is what?
02:34<hobot>oh good
02:34<hobot>your linodes RDNS
02:34<hobot>or ip
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02:34<terres>Oh good it lets IP. What port?
02:36<terres>OK, it's giving me the login prompt. Is there any command to get it not to time me out in a blink of an eye?
02:36<hobot>t wont if youre connected and doing stuff
02:36<terres>Right, but I spend half my time reading, and it logs me out while I do.
02:36<Marius>if I don't remmeber too badly, putty's default timeout value is like 30 minutes or so
02:36<hobot>well there is stuff like "send keep alive packet"
02:36<hobot>yeah its pretty huge
02:36<terres>OK, good.
02:37*terres reads.
02:37<Marius>granted, that won't help if your route etc has a "kill this open port if there's no activity in X seconds" setting
02:37<Marius>which, unfortunately, my owrk connection does, so I always keep top open when I'm not on IRC xD
02:38<Marius>But you shouldn't have to worry about that xD
02:38<Marius>I'm just ranting
02:38<terres>Crap, it doesn't let me cut and paste.
02:38<hobot>I hate that crap
02:38<hobot>it does terres
02:38<hobot>look in the menus
02:38<Marius>righ tclick to paste
02:38<Marius>just highlight to copy
02:38<Marius>there's no cut option though
02:41<terres>ok for crying out loud I can't get it to change directory.
02:41<hobot>what is the directly
02:41<hobot>tab completion is your friend
02:42<hobot>aka cd then type the first few characters and press tab
02:43<terres>I am trying to follow the directions in the 123 instructions, I keep getting no such everything.
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02:45<terres>Any suggestions?
02:45<terres>Because I am completely stuck.
02:46<hobot>yeah one sec
02:46<hobot>just taking care of some other stuff
02:46<terres>OK, I'm taking advantage to take 5 mins then. Be right back!
02:47<saikat>i have nginx supposedly only listening to and, but somehow it seems to also be catching
02:48<saikat>the only place this could be happening
02:48<saikat>is in sites-available conf files right?
02:49<saikat> should be on a separate IP address
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02:52<Marius>saikat: Doens't nginx bind to all IPs by default?
02:52<Marius>and the default site will catch anything not specifically set up
02:52<saikat>hm i see
02:52<terres>OK I'm back.
02:52<saikat>didn't know that
02:52<saikat>thanks Marius
02:52<terres>And hobot, you have been incomparably helpful.
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02:54<terres>To summarize current problem, directories and commands don't seem to match what it says they should.
02:54<hobot>yeah im the best
02:54<Marius>That's often the issue :P
02:54<hobot>basically you need to think of this just like folders in your computer
02:54<terres>I am.
02:54<hobot>so you downloaded this software right
02:54<hobot>ok good
02:55<hobot>so you should have logged into home
02:55<hobot>your home directory
02:55<terres>And I installed it. I can get into the directory it shows me.
02:55<hobot>ok great
02:55<hobot>so whats the next step thats failing
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02:55<terres>I am here: root@li199-68:~/
02:55<hobot>I mean to say in
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02:56<terres>It says go here: cd <123flashchat installation directory>/server
02:56<terres>In the docs you just posted.
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02:56<hobot>ok good
02:56<terres>Unfortunately, there is no /server.
02:56<hobot>ok so what is there
02:56<terres>And the command it tells me to say doesn't work.
02:56<hobot>type ls
02:56<terres>There's a lot of stuff that is weird, but no directories. Typing that now.
02:57<hobot>terres: are you sure you "installed" it
02:57<hobot>or that you are in the install dir
02:57<hobot>it sounds like you are in the download dir
02:57<hobot>if you are in your home folder
02:57<eskaypey>you are in the wong folder
02:57<terres>I am as sure as I can be. I don't see another directory. How do I get back to my root?
02:57<hobot>well getting to root is just cd /
02:58<Marius>you shouldn't be downloading to root o_O
02:58<terres>OK. I'm there.
02:58<hobot>nope you shouldnt
02:58<terres>Idiot newbie, remember?
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02:58<Marius>I'd recomend doing this on a new user yo uset up first =)
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02:58<Marius>the trick to linux is to never do things as root if you can avoid it, just make a seperate user and life is good :)
02:59<terres>Well, I've already installed it. I know I did, because I had to answer 654 "I agree" things.
02:59<terres>OK, good to know.
02:59<rockaholiciam>hey, does linode offer managed vps?
02:59<terres>I'll look into that (creating users and such.)
02:59<terres>Now I am trying to figure out where it went.
03:00<Marius>rockaholiciam: nope
03:00<hobot>well you can use which if it installed commands, or locate, or find
03:00<terres>OK, if I cd root, it shows me the directory
03:01<hobot>it installed in /?
03:01<terres>If I go cd root, and list directories, it shows a root. I CD root'd, and that directory above showed.
03:01<Marius>hobot, installs to home dir of your user prolly
03:01<terres>Which is a hell of a name for a directory, I wouldn't have chosen it.
03:02<terres>It is amusing, but if you look at the user manual from the software you linked me, wth do I do now? :)
03:03<hobot>sorry im just a little loopy
03:03<hobot>I have been drinking and I have a cold
03:03<terres>me too.
03:03<hobot>also its 2 am
03:03<terres>Well, not drinking. Just loopy as a general rule.
03:03<terres>I know, it's so late. :( I just can't stop until I get this done.
03:04<terres>Would it help if I just gave you my access and let you look directly at it?
03:04<hobot>ok so basically here is how its going, either it installed in your user directly like HoopyCat suggested, or it is in another folder
03:04<hobot>no I dont want it honestly
03:04<hobot>I dont want the responsibility
03:04<hobot>im about to go to bed so I m going to give you some help
03:04<hobot>and then pass out
03:04<hobot>so there are two commands
03:04<terres>I so need the help.
03:04<hobot>and which
03:04<hobot>and find
03:04<hobot>all of those find stuff in different ways for you
03:04<terres>how do I use them?
03:05<hobot>locate 123flashchat
03:05<eskaypey>thats three hobot
03:05<hobot>would look in a database you have of those files
03:05<hobot>I TOLD YOU I WAS DRUNK
03:05<terres>command not found
03:05<hobot>type 123 in your terminal and press tab
03:05<hobot>what does it say
03:06<hobot>not you
03:06<terres>it says
03:06<hobot>ok so just the directly
03:06<Marius>command not found...
03:06<hobot>I was hoping it installed a command in the binaries
03:06<hobot>ok so then you gotta use find because you we really dont know
03:06<Marius>I'm gonna go with "do you have the compilers and stuff needed"
03:06<hobot>she already answered a bunch of eulas apparently
03:07<hobot>and installede it
03:07<terres>find what?
03:07<Marius>oh right
03:07<hobot>find the server folder
03:07<terres>find server?
03:07<hobot>im pretty sure we still dont have the right folder
03:07<hobot>for the start and stop commands
03:07<Marius>what distro? xD
03:08<terres>By the way, if someone experienced does want to go in there, really. If you took it stole it ruined it and made pie with it, I'd be out 9 bucks for the month. Really, it's worth the risk to me. :)
03:09<hobot>find / -name "fcserver"
03:09<Marius>brb, toilet !
03:09<hobot>its not the risk of stealing your stuff
03:09<hobot>I could have tricked you 10 times and stolen your stuff
03:09<hobot>thats boring
03:10<hobot>ok I am going to bed, but you want to lookup how to use the find command to find the file named fcserver which is in the folder you are looking for
03:10<terres>I typed that, it just gave me the root command again.
03:10<hobot>and all you need to do is type ./fcserver start as root in the folder that it resides in
03:10<terres>It didn't find anything.
03:11<terres>It seemed like it just ignored the command.
03:11<hobot>then either I forgot how to use find or you dont have it
03:11<hobot>probably the first
03:11<hobot>find / -name "fcserver"
03:11<hobot>didnt work?
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03:11<hobot>then you didnt install it imo
03:12<terres>I just sat there and gave me the same command prompt.
03:12<terres>I am sure I installed it, but I could try again if you think it will help.
03:12<omnivibe>hi :) I"m a new customer at linode- and I'm at the step to choose geographic location. Is there a list if IP's I can ping to see which one is the fastest from me (Israel)?
03:12<hobot>sorry terres but I am off to bed
03:12<hobot>this is another entire rabbithole
03:12<terres>Thanks for everything.
03:13<terres>I am reinstalling the sucker.
03:13<omnivibe>oh thanks :)
03:13<Marius>terres: if find / -name "fcserver" just gave yo uthe ocmmand prompt again, it didn't find the file anywhere
03:14<Marius>but before yo utry installing again, add a new user adn install as that user instead
03:14<Marius>it's more secure, and easier to keep track of your files =)
03:15<terres>Little late now, but I'll learn. It's unpacking the crap out of everything again.
03:15<terres>But I insisted on an easy directory.
03:15<linbot>New news from forums: Strange random freezes after lucid upgrade in General Discussion <>
03:17<Marius>well, if all the files are in the same dir, yo ucan probably rename it without causing any problems =)
03:17<Marius>I'll be back shortly
03:17<terres>Holy crap something workeD!
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03:21<omnivibe>so london is fastest to Israel :)
03:22<omnivibe>is there a way of testing the other way, say london to America (I'm not in America and don't have a proxy)
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03:27<linbot>New news from forums: Linode Manager beta - mobile theme in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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03:38<Marius>omnivibe: not really, but they have genereally the same latency all over
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03:43<omnivibe>ok, thanks :)
03:44<@ericoc>you've seen that already though :) now that i scrollback
03:44<Marius>Marius is on a roll! :3
03:45<Marius>back to adwords optimizing >_<
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04:40<Marius>You know you've done a good job optimizing adwords when you managed to bring the most expensive search terms you ahd down from £5.5 a word to £.05 a word :P
04:40<Marius>awww yeah :3
04:41<omnivibe>Good job
04:41<Marius>it only took like 3 hours >_<
04:41<omnivibe>I have a question- is there a way to re-install my profile? e.g. I just booted up and tried installing some stuff, and made a mistake. I'm a linux newb and I'd rather just start again from scratch
04:41<Marius>of course
04:42<Marius>power off the node
04:42<Marius>then delete the profile and redeploy
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04:43<omnivibe>ok, got to recreate the profile though right- with root pass, os selection, etc. (not that it's a big deal- just to make sure I'm doing it right)
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04:47<omnivibe>awesome, it worked :)
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05:10<Rambo>rather silent eh
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05:11<Marius>But of course
05:11<Marius>you would know, you stalk in silence!
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05:14<amitz>Marius: I'm looking at you right now. You're sitting on a chair, in front of you computer.
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05:17<Marius>captcha form hell?
05:17<Marius>amitz: actually I'm standing infront of my machine :P
05:17<Marius>are you stalking the guy next t ome by mistake? :o
05:17<amitz>Marius: oh...yes... yes... indeed.
05:18<amitz>Marius: umm... just so you know he is sniffing you.
05:18<amitz>Marius: wait... what is he holding right now..?!
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05:20<Marius>I don't want to know >_<
05:21<Marius>I didn't know google bought reCAPTCHA :o
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05:27<ofus>I wonder when Google will buy Twitter
05:27<ekes>when it's for sale?
05:28<amitz>twitter will buy google, I tell you!
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05:31<ofus>they're going to need a little bit more venture capital first
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05:33<amitz>just a tiny bit.
05:50<Marius>lunch :3
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06:22<Marius>hmm, does anyone know of some kind of document storage online that allows for various hierarchys ?
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06:38<@array>Marius: er sorry, that wasn't intentional
06:38<Marius>oh, and here I was thinking you ment I was yoru everything!
06:38<Marius>What a fool I am!
06:38<Marius>*dramatic pose*
06:40<Marius>Aaaanyway, you wouldn't happen to know of something like that ?
06:40<@array>Marius: you are my one, my only, my everything. we must however, keep our love a secret from the one they call Perihelion
06:40<Marius>dropbox would've been perfect if it had permissions hierarchy
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06:52<amitz>theora vs dirac vs vp8. any suggestion?
06:59<amitz>open source people approach to gui.... am googling about the difference between file format and video format... heh
07:00<amitz>ooh, never mind, valid definition.
07:01<Marius>open source hates pretty guis :P
07:01<Marius>because guis are a bitch to make xD
07:01<Marius>just like website designs are a bitch, but the actual coding is fun
07:01<ekes>pretty is fine; it's pretty _and_ functional that's a bitch.
07:06<amitz>I decide on vp8. I hope I won't regret it.
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07:55<Yaakov>array: I am, frankly, devestated by your revelation.
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07:58<encode>Yaakov: I'm pretty sure that array's love is zero-indexed. You are of course the zero'th element
07:59<linbot>mwalling: A very warm invitation to you
08:00<linbot>encode: 197
08:00<encode>linbot: hey?
08:01<linbot>mwalling: 199
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08:01<linbot>Yaakov: 212
08:02<Yaakov>I didn't ask for a prime number stupid bot.
08:02<Marius>You know what's fun
08:02<Marius>when someone on your own mailserver gets their domain bblacklisted
08:02<Marius>and thus can't email other users on the same domain xD
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08:04*Daevien sighs. just when i think i may be able to survive this job for a while til i find something... starting monday, any complaint or swearing by any employee, even behind locked & closed doors and we have to put $1 into a jar for our social fund (basically christmas party & junk)./
08:05<linbot>mwalling: 223
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08:06<amitz>Daevien: my highschool did that..
08:07<HoopyCat>Daevien: given that budget, you're going to have the most awesome christmas party ever
08:07<Daevien>HoopyCat: given the fact that they screw me over here about something relating to my job hourly, i'm going to be fucking broke
08:08<amitz>specifically, if I spoke some slangs, curses, etc.
08:09<Daevien>they are already forcingme to take a job doing the same exact thing i'm doing just guaranteeing 32 hrs a week.. and that i lose over $1 an hour at. now with this, i'll lose more than that if i complain about anything or swear at all
08:09<amitz>swearing, not curses you pedants! ;-)
08:09<HoopyCat>Daevien: $1
08:09<HoopyCat>Daevien: $3
08:09<Daevien>only starts monday. til then i should curse up a storm and see what he says
08:11<amitz>Daevien: you can always make every swearing worths it. Assuming they count $1 every sentence.
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08:16<Daevien>that or we all band together as employees and try and suck so much money out of him for every minor complaint & curse from his mouth til he drops the policy
08:19<HoopyCat>39 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
08:19<HoopyCat>good morning!
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09:18<AntoineSolutions>Is this the Linode support room?
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09:21<@jed>community support - best avenue for official is through a support ticket, but we do occasionally poke in when we can
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09:21<AntoineSolutions>I am having trouble with my new linode! I cannot reach it via http?
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09:22<Daevien>did you install a webserver/
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09:22<AntoineSolutions>I installed LAMP using a script I wrote... The script works fine on a VirtualBox machine on my local network, but I can't seem to connect on the Linode box
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09:23<AntoineSolutions>afk one sec....sorry
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09:27<AntoineSolutions>sorry... had to help the wife out the door!
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09:28<AntoineSolutions>So... I can't even access the site from the shell of my linode using wget
09:28<FransK>On linode39450 I don't see apps with a high CPU load ; but still the aveage load in top varies between 1.00 and 10:00
09:28<AntoineSolutions>Apache is running
09:28<FransK>any idea what the cause acn be?
09:29<chesty>run top, look at the wa%
09:30<chesty>weird, any processes in D state?
09:31<@caker>AntoineSolutions: is it listening on the correct port? netstat -pln
09:31<amitz>AntoineSolutions: have you managed to connect to it before? the one in linode?
09:32<FransK>not any more..... but whan it happend, there where apps in D state
09:32<FransK>what does it mean?
09:32<@jed>FransK: D is uninterruptible sleep, it usually means the process is waiting on some kind of I/O
09:33<@jed>you can't kill a process in D
09:33<AntoineSolutions>tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 1586/apache2
09:33<AntoineSolutions>tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN 1586/apache2
09:33<@caker>iptables preventing access?
09:33<@jed>AntoineSolutions: any kind of ufw/iptables preventing access?
09:33<@caker>telnet localhost 80 <--
09:33<AntoineSolutions>caker: that's the output of netstat -pln | grep apache
09:34<FransK>can i cause an uninterupatble sleep in my bash script?
09:34<AntoineSolutions>amitz: this is a brand new linode and my first, so I am sure it is something I am doing.
09:34<@jed>(when netstat lists tcp6, it's listening for IPv4, right?)
09:34<chesty>it's configurable
09:35<@caker>AntoineSolutions: does your Linode's ip end in .229? If so, it's working for me
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09:35<AntoineSolutions>jed: I do somewhat have ipv6 disabled... to the best that I could following online guides. This could be the problem
09:35<@caker>no, it's not.
09:35<@jed>no, you're actually normal
09:36<@jed>that's me thinking out loud about something
09:36<AntoineSolutions>caker: no... my IP is wait... I purchased a second IP and it does end in 229?
09:36<@caker>jed: actually, I think you're right - there needs to be both a tcp and tcp6 entry - at least in my netstats
09:37<AntoineSolutions>So for some reason it is only listening on the 229 ip
09:37<@jed>AntoineSolutions: have you configured static networking?
09:37<AntoineSolutions>This at least gives me a place to start...
09:37<@jed>caker: yeah, I remember some kind of flowchart about that about how it works
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09:37<AntoineSolutions>jed: I put in my /etc/hosts ""
09:38<@caker>on your local machine, yes?
09:38<HoopyCat>AntoineSolutions: pastebin the output of "ip addr" and "cat /etc/network/interfaces"
09:38<@jed>AntoineSolutions: your Linode is only responding to me via arping on
09:38<AntoineSolutions>jed: I have also configured dns to resolve to yes, on the local machine
09:38<@jed>if you have two IP addresses, you need to do what caker linked
09:38<@jed>which it told you when you purchased the IP address
09:38<AntoineSolutions>jed: ok... I'll read up on that link... Thanks caker and jed
09:39<@jed>np :)
09:40<AntoineSolutions>HoopyCat: trying to figure out how to get the output of those commands from my linode ;)
09:40<HoopyCat>\o/ ^o^ o< /o\
09:40<HoopyCat>it's fun to stay at the \o/ ^o^ o< /o\
09:41<AntoineSolutions>HoopyCat: Here is the output for ip addr:
09:42<randallman>Welcome to the \o/ ^o^ o< /o\? Such a lovely place?
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09:42<randallman>Livin' it up at the \o/ ^o^ o< /o\?
09:42<HoopyCat>AntoineSolutions: yessir, you want the URL that caker pointed to. the eth0 section there shows only one IP.
09:43<AntoineSolutions>HoopyCat: Here is the output for cat /etc/network/interfaces:
09:43<HoopyCat>arrr, fresh as a baby's bottom
09:43<AntoineSolutions>HoopyCat: I'll give the link a read and come back if I have any more questions... thanks all for the quick help!
09:45<avar>I'm misrecalling something and screwing up my DNS. I have a shadow master for that ns* serve up as slaves, so far so good. But I'm trying to add a sub-zone to, so that will look up on *different* nameservers than I.e. to delegate a zone
09:45<avar>This is the config I have:
09:47<avar>but `dig +short soa` gives me nothing, but looking up on *my* nameserver gives me SOA/A/NS:
09:47<avar>Do I need to do something special on linode's end to set up a sub-zone like this? Maybe I need to add a zone to my named.conf? But I thought not
09:47<avar>Isn't it enough to just add a $ORIGIN to the config for with and add a NS record there?
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09:49<@jed>avar: hm, I've never done it that way ... is that live?
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09:50<HoopyCat>avar: you should just need to add gg IN NS blah in the zone
09:50<@jed> 86400 IN NS
09:50<@jed>;; Received 60 bytes from in 39 ms
09:50<@jed>we're serving the NS, but then I get silence
09:50<@jed>dig: couldn't get address for '': not found
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09:51<@jed>ah ... I see. ns? are aware of's A, but it's not served in the additional, so dig isn't
09:52<@jed>avar: I'd subzone it in BIND, and add to the Linode Manager
09:52<HoopyCat>hmm... interesting use of $ORIGIN and SOA records there
09:52<avar>I probably have no idea what I'm doing today :)
09:53<avar>jed: What do you query to get's A from ns? `dig +short A` returns nothing here
09:53<@jed>I get a record here
09:53<amitz>job ad wtf of the day: Software development employing .Net technologies (mainly C#.Net, Java, Ajax)
09:54<HoopyCat>avar: all of those SOA records (aside from the first, for are redundant, assuming this is just one zone file and configured as just one zone
09:54<@jed>er, I did...
09:54<avar>Ah nevermind. I am getting something, it just wasn't printed under +short
09:54<@jed>ah! the record is serving in additional
09:55<avar>HoopyCat: Thanks, I was wondering if I wasn't screwing *that* up :)
09:55<HoopyCat>avar: but, if you want to refer everything under to, add an A record for to the zone, add " IN NS" to the zone, and that should be it (aside from creating the zone on
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09:55<@jed>is up and responding?
09:55<HoopyCat>avar: the SOA for in this file is going to create some ambiguity
09:56<HoopyCat>and ambiguity sucks
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09:56<@jed> 0 IN TXT "\180\000\000\000" ""
09:56<avar>jed: Yeah, but it's not a regular nameserver. I'm writing a custom thingy to query TXT via DNS
09:56<avar>so it'll return gibberish, but I was just trying to ensure that queries at least *went* there
09:56<@jed> probably has to be aware of its own name
09:56<@jed>maybe that's throwing dig +trace
09:57<avar>yeah, maybe
09:57<randallman>Man now I have hotel california in my head :)
09:57<randallman>Thanks for nothing, HoopyCat
09:57<HoopyCat>randallman: wha?
09:57<randallman>09:40 <HoopyCat> it's fun to stay at the \o/ ^o^ o< /o\
09:57<Daevien>randallman: thats a change from nothing
09:57<randallman>Which I then free-associated :)
09:57<randallman>and subsequently turned it into hotel california :)
09:58<avar>Anyway, thanks. It was OK all along (but I'll remove the redundant SOA, thanks HoopyCat)
09:58<avar>I was just poking dig(1) incorrectly
09:58<radicality>"Automagically adds www, mail, "blank" A records, and an MX record for mail" - what's the use of the www, and "blank" A records ? can I not put them in ?
09:58<@jed>you certainly can, it's just offering to save you some precious time
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09:59<radicality>ah ok. so what's the poitn of the 'www' record ? will the site still work like, or will it just work on sorry, just learning about DNS, it's confusing
10:00<@jed>allow the power of prose to explain better than I ever could:
10:00<HoopyCat>... i keep forgetting that article is there. got halfway through my intro-to-DNS spiel :-)
10:00<randallman>I have a conf call with Cricket Liu today
10:00<@jed>you'll get to the end of that document and still have your "do I need www?" question unanswered, so: tl;dr, yes
10:01<randallman>go figure :)
10:01<AntoineSolutions>caker, jed, HoopyCat: You guys are great! Was quick and easy once I was pointed to the documentation... Thanks again!
10:01<radicality>haha, yeah, i actually just read that article, and still didn't get it. but think I kinda get it more now, it would be like a subdomain
10:02<HoopyCat>radicality: technically speaking, "subdomains" don't exist, which always leads to some confusion
10:02<amitz>a.. weird job ad wtf of the day: At least 13 year(s) of working experience as a Project Manager <- emphasize mine.
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10:04<HoopyCat>so if you consider to be a subdomain, then yes, is a subdomain as well. but it's not. one might consider to be a subdomain (it is a completely separate zone, as much as is separate from com), but that's not how most people think of subdomains
10:04<randallman>Prime number fetish? :P
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10:04<linbot>randallman: 227
10:04<amitz>and from the same company: Looking for "Professional Programmer" :-p
10:04<radicality>ah, yeah, that does seem confusing. so generally, if I have some domain with no A records on it, it will or won't work ?
10:04<linbot>mwalling: 229
10:04<avar>HoopyCat: so, like this I guess:
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10:05<HoopyCat>radicality: from a DNS standpoint, it'll work just fine :-) however, from an operational standpoint (like if you want to work), it won't
10:05<randallman>13 is also part of the fibonacci sequence :)
10:05<amitz>randallman: ooh, a secret test eh? :-p
10:06<AntoineSolutions>can I ask a debian question?
10:06<InflatableSoulmate>I'm pretty sure you can ask any question you want.
10:06<HoopyCat>radicality: web browsers look for A records to get the IP address of the server to connect to; other applications (SMTP, SIP, XMPP come to mind) have other mechanisms, but let's not go there this early in the morning
10:07<InflatableSoulmate>the answer to the question just depends on who is here to see it.
10:07<avar>HoopyCat: hrm, no, that screwed it up, e.g. no longer has an MX record now
10:08<AntoineSolutions>lol... thanks... some people in other rooms can be picky, but I was just curious why when I download the latest debian lenny 5.0.6 dvd and install, the kernal is only 2.6.18 or something close to that, but everyone else I hear talking about lenny is on kernel 2.6.32 including my linode. Do I need to update repositories or am I downloading the wrong disks?
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10:09*avar reverts
10:09<radicality>HoopyCat: ah ok thanks, so in the Linode DNS manager, the best thing to do is to keep the blank and www record, correct ? if I just leave everything blank, it will work, but no from an operational standpoint
10:09<avar>maybe I just need the $ORIGIN entries though..
10:09<HoopyCat>avar: the $ORIGIN records were important to how you had it set up... basically, they say "if there's no dot at the end of the name, append this"... so, either change line 54 to "v IN MX 10 mail.v" and 55 to "mail.v IN A blahblah" or change 53 to $ORIGIN
10:10<InflatableSoulmate>AntoineSolutions: it depends on how up-to-date the cd image is compared to what debian has in their repos.
10:10<avar>HoopyCat: Ah, so keep the $ORIGIN records ad remove the useless @...) lines right after it
10:11<InflatableSoulmate>so if you install lenny from cd, you'll be able to get it installed and probably working, then you apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to come up to speed
10:12<AntoineSolutions>InflatableSoulmate: Well... the 5.0.6 cd's were just released on Sept 4th 2010... Are they not keeping the cd's as up to date as the repos?
10:12<InflatableSoulmate>well, they *should* be fairly close to what the repos have, I would think.
10:12<InflatableSoulmate>but I tend to go with ubuntu rather than debian :/
10:13<InflatableSoulmate>so I have no real experience with the debian release process.
10:13<AntoineSolutions>inflatableSoulmate: yeah... I have been running both those commands and I don't even come close to the 2.6.32 kernel... I'll do a little looking around on the net... find out whats going on.
10:13<AntoineSolutions>Thanks for the input!
10:13<HoopyCat>avar: if i recall correctly, the @ means, essentially, blank. so you'd probably actually want the first line after the $ORIGIN to have an @. i think BIND does "continuation" kinda stuff
10:13<HoopyCat>AntoineSolutions: what's "uname -a" report?
10:13<InflatableSoulmate>there may be a separate repo for more up-to-date kernels
10:14<InflatableSoulmate>ubuntu will stick with the same old kernel forever, and you're left to upgrade on your own
10:14<HoopyCat>avar: e.g. if you have "foo IN A" and then " IN MX 10 blarg", the latter will be interpreted as "foo IN MX 10 blarg"... i think
10:14<AntoineSolutions>on my linode: Linux #1 SMP Sun Jul 25 22:20:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
10:14<HoopyCat>avar: when in doubt, be explicit
10:14<Solver>anyone played with xtradb ?
10:14<Solver>a 'drop in replacement' for mysql
10:15<AntoineSolutions>HoopyCat: booting up my other machine so I can see what it is
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10:15<InflatableSoulmate>AntoineSolutions: the linode guys package the linode installs with custom tweaks to make sure they run best in a virtual environment
10:15<HoopyCat>AntoineSolutions: that looks about right for the linode end of things (note the -linode, indicating that linode did it)
10:15<HoopyCat>InflatableSoulmate: "custom tweaks" being defined as "no custom tweaks" in the case of the paravirt kernels. :-)
10:15*HoopyCat waves at the ubuntu kernel
10:16<@caker>just so we're clear, those tweaks aren't invasive. /etc/fstab, inittab (for console), and set to boot with DHCP is about it
10:16<HoopyCat>caker: those are distro tweaks, not kernel tweaks ;-)
10:16<@caker>scrollback I no read!
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10:16<AntoineSolutions>HoopyCat: My virtualmachine isn't as bad as I thought, but still pretty behind linode: Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 31.....
10:17<HoopyCat>if linode mucked around with distros, "try setting MaxClients to about 10% of what it's at now" wouldn't be on my speed dial
10:17<HoopyCat>AntoineSolutions: that'd be from the debian lenny most probably
10:17<Daevien>you probably don't need/want 64bit either, it'll just chew more ram up
10:17<AntoineSolutions>HoopyCat: yeah... from the most recent 5.0.6 dvd I downloaded yesterday ;)
10:18<HoopyCat>AntoineSolutions: keep in mind that 1) it's still supported by the debian folks, with kernel bugs backported back to that version, and 2) that's about how long ago lenny was released :-)
10:18<AntoineSolutions>Daevien: I have seen that in some of the benchmarks! Should have thought about that when I created my linode... doh!
10:19<@caker>carpe nodem
10:19<AntoineSolutions>Well... time to get some work done...
10:19<AntoineSolutions>Cheers all!
10:19<HoopyCat>AntoineSolutions: (the debian and ubuntu release philosophies are such that the software included will change as minimally as possible after release... this means that, 2.5 years later, the ubuntu 8.04 box i'm on now still runs PHP 5.2.4, f'instance)
10:19<Daevien>long as your sites aren't live, it's not an overly long process to redo to 32bit
10:20<Solver>exactly. that stability helps me sleep at night
10:20<AntoineSolutions>HoopyCat: Ahh! That is good info to have. Thanks for clarifying. Can't wait for Debian 6!
10:20<Solver>literaly - I don't get woken up by broken systems nearly as much
10:21<AntoineSolutions>Daevien: yeah... I have a script that does pretty much everything
10:21<Solver>fixes are backported into the old source tree. a few packages get a special dispensation to allow new versions but there are very few of those and they are normally only desktop apps
10:21<HoopyCat>speaking of scripts that do pretty much everything, i think this would be a good opportunity to mention
10:21<AntoineSolutions>I'm merging over to Debian from CentOS land ;)
10:22*HoopyCat has become enloved
10:22<Solver>AntoineSolutions: welcome to the land of stability :)
10:22<AntoineSolutions>CentOS wasn't bad, but most other developers I have been working with are on Debian... and there are enough differences for it to be annoying!
10:22<amitz>linkedin suggestions are freaky -_-
10:22<Solver>yeah CentOS is ok :)
10:22<amitz>freakily relevant.
10:22<Solver>amitz: :)
10:23<AntoineSolutions>You all have been a great help... time to switch over to 32 bit ;)
10:23<Solver>haha nice. new DB server and I opened a 6GB sql file with vi to edit ot (box has lots of ram)
10:23<Solver>was quick this time thanks to cache :)
10:24<HoopyCat>at the end of the day, the distro doesn't matter that much, as long as it works and doesn't break stuff when you upgrade
10:24<Solver>fun to see vi eating 6GB :)
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10:24<xinming>Just curious, in vm, what timezone you people use here?
10:24<xinming>SInce I am in China.
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10:24<xinming>The time zone may be a issue.
10:25<HoopyCat>xinming: i personally use UTC for servers, but i set TZ="America/New_York" in my .bashrc
10:25<amitz>even someone who is not supposed to be linked to me unless linkedin aggressively mines the web for connections.
10:25<amitz>xinming: I use UTC too.
10:26<Solver>UTC for servers means that comparnig logs across timezones is easier
10:26<xinming>Ok, thanks.
10:26<xinming>How do I check the timezone when I am using from /etc/localtime file?
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10:26<HoopyCat>xinming: however, it is the choice of the admin. (and can be set per user on
10:26<HoopyCat>!library timezone
10:26<linbot>HoopyCat: 1. Linux System Administration Basics ( - 2. Getting Started with Linode ( - 3. Monitoring Resource Utilization with Cacti on Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) (
10:26<ssteinerX>amitz: i got some suggestions the other day from LinkedIn that were a little "how the heck did they even come up with that?" scary
10:26<Solver>unix allows per user timezones with the TZ environment variable
10:27<HoopyCat>hmm, #1 may well have something if i recall correctly...
10:27<Solver>but you need to be careful as a sysadmin as your sudo sessions can inherit the new TZ
10:27<Solver>resulting in the wrong TZ if you restart an app
10:28<amitz>ssteinerX: yes! that is the kind of freaky I was talking about!
10:28<xinming>hmm, Is there a way to check what timezone I am on?
10:28<xinming>I mean the server
10:28<@caker>type: date
10:28<xinming>Fri Sep 17 22:28:23 CST 2010
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10:28*HoopyCat tries to remember if there's an easy, portable way to see the olson zone...
10:29<HoopyCat>CST is, of course, ambigious ;-)
10:29<Solver>indeed it is :)
10:29<xinming>That's why I am curious. >_<
10:29<Solver>wow never realised it was called an olson zone - thanks HoopyCat :)
10:30<@caker>debuntu appears to have /etc/timezone in plaintext
10:30<Solver>yeah but that isn't universal
10:30<@caker>strings /etc/localtime? :)
10:31<xinming>Seems no right tz info
10:31<HoopyCat>xinming: date +'%z' will show you the offset, so you can infer from there, BUT there can be many timezones with abbreviation "CST" and the same offset... America/New_York vs. America/Toronto, for instance
10:32<xinming>HoopyCat: Thanks.
10:32<HoopyCat>timezones are a really weird geopolitical situation
10:32<Solver>there are a lot of subtle variations
10:32<xinming>I was thinking, What are the differences between GMT EST and UTC >_<
10:32*Solver had to deal with the whole Venezuela timezone mess
10:33<swaj>anyone use bitlbee with openssl? the configure script seemed to indicate they didn't like it
10:34<HoopyCat>xinming: for all practical purposes, UTC is the "master" time zone... used to be GMT, but there's some slight differences between how the two are derived, plus greenwich doesn't use GMT as its timezone so it got confusing
10:35<Randomskk>basically, use UTC for everything, then use system timezone facilities to convert to any other timezone
10:36<Randomskk>there's loads though. atomic time TAI, GPS time, UTC, GMT, one other that I forget
10:36<amitz>It was either TUC or CUT. Since there was no agreement, they just settled with UTC, heh.
10:36<Randomskk>that are all within a few seconds of each other
10:36<HoopyCat>xinming: under the hood, of course, most (all?) modern unix systems use "seconds since 1970 January 1 00:00:00 UTC" as the time base (date +'%s'), so everything ends up being relative to there...
10:36<Randomskk>UTC has leap seconds, TAI doesn't. GPS is kept by atomic clocks on GPS satellites and is a few seconds off from UTC too
10:36<Randomskk>UTC is derived from TAI but with the leap seconds, while GMT derives from the actual mean solar noon
10:37<Randomskk>which also means that UTC will slowly drift from BST until leap seconds get added
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10:37<HoopyCat>also, random trivia: the olson database (of timezones like America/New_York) accounts for changes in definitions of the time zones (e.g. daylight saving time changes) since the 1970 epoch date, so they'll do the right thing for translating dates/times for pretty much any known geopolitical situation on earth going back 40 years
10:37<Solver>there is also UT0 but I forgot what the difference is :)
10:38*HoopyCat should probably finish packing for black river stages, rather than being all timegeeky on IRC
10:38<Solver>the way timezones are setup in unix showed a lot of forethought
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10:39<amitz>cmayo: hello
10:40<amitz>Solver: I used to complain about java's old date system. Later I found out it was indeed a mess.
10:40<cmayo>how's it going?
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10:41<amitz>my old company used to write our own datetime class since it was so complicated.
10:41<Randomskk>yea, the olson database is excellent
10:41<amitz>cmayo: just the usual here
10:41<Randomskk>timezones are a hard thing to get right
10:43<xinming>HoopyCat: Ok, thanks. got it.
10:43<cmayo>my boss now wants me to create a search algorithm to go through all articles in the islam portal and then when someone views a piece of content on our site, have the algorithm go through the wiki articles and find related content (based on the keywords we've tagged our articles with)
10:43<xinming>How do we issue an power off command for the vps please?
10:44<xinming>It seems my vps is dead
10:44<HedgeMage>xinming: you can shutdown or reboot from your linode control panel
10:44<xinming>Oops, It's got rebooted.
10:44<HoopyCat>xinming: either doable from the dashboard (the shutdown button on the right), or via lish (ssh, ctrl-a, d, shutdown)
10:44<xinming>HedgeMage: Yes, It rebooted, it seems just a bit long to wait.
10:45<HoopyCat>random friday afternoon reading assignment for the morbidly curious:
10:46<HoopyCat>the comments are amazing
10:47<hobot>all the weird time stuff
10:47<amitz>cmayo: I guess find the relevan plugin?
10:48<@jed>cmayo: apache solr
10:48<Randomskk>HoopyCat: bloody heck
10:49<Randomskk>they worked out the times for london in the 18th century based on the knowledge that astromoners used a gigantic stone in london, got its position, did the maths, worked out the offset that would produce compared to gmt
10:50<cmayo>jed: yeah, that's what we are using. have you done this before?
10:50<hobot>yep, pretty nuts
10:50<@jed>cmayo: not related, no, but I've used solr to do search
10:50<@jed>it seems to be easiest/best to work with
10:52<cmayo>yeah, solr is great. i just talked to a solr ninja and he gave me the goods on how to approach this. i thought it would be incredibly more difficult than it is.
10:52<cmayo>i told my boss it would be a 2-3 month project. she was like "Okay!" ... "we have until June when the grant runs out. i have more money than i can spend, so let's make some interesting things so they'll extend it."
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10:59<incd>Hi, Could somebody help me to get IPv6 nsd running. In the example, there's first "2001:470:a:a::2
10:59<amitz>cmayo: you plan to make interesting things?
10:59<incd>* "2001:470:a:a::2" and then there's "2001:470:b:a::1:1" in up ip -6 addr examples
10:59<incd>Why a:a: -> b:a ?
11:00<cmayo>amitz: i hope!
11:01<cmayo>amitz: i wonder though, if i can do anything original
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11:03<HoopyCat>incd: using a tunnel?
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11:03<incd>Are those b:a's "another" tunnels?
11:03<amitz>you can organize an app that can google around concurring and dissenting opinions. ;-). But don't do such thing unless you're willing to commit some time and willing to take risk.
11:05<HoopyCat>incd: you have the "WAN" IP block (the /64 between you and and the "LAN" IP block (the /64 you want to use for your stuff)
11:06<incd>I'm just trying to get reverse dns to work (with IPv6)
11:06<HoopyCat>incd: the former is "their" block, so you can't affect the DNS for it; the latter is "your" block, so you can
11:07<incd>Oh, ok
11:07<snubby>leeenodah eh
11:07<amitz>snubby eh
11:08<HoopyCat>incd: this means you'll probably end up binding one of the IPs in the LAN /64 to eth0 and binding your applications specifically to that IP instead of to any IP
11:09<incd>Right, thanks for help
11:09<HoopyCat>incd: np :-)
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11:31<tjfontaine>There I Fixed It
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11:31<HoopyCat>i should...
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11:32<HoopyCat>but, well, i can't really pick on huge fans in dense non-purpose-built server collections
11:32<HoopyCat>server collection rooms, that is
11:32<swaj>there we go
11:32<HoopyCat>HVAC's probably spec'd out for maybe 10 cubes in there :-)
11:33<swaj>had to setup weechat to autojoin bitlbee... bitblee is pretty schmexy
11:35<HoopyCat>anyway, off to go fling some RF around the back country. *foop*
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11:39<amitz>bitlbee is nice, on the other hand, built-in messenger from cellphone is nice too -_-
11:43<swaj>I'd rather type on a real keyb than my cellphone... and it's a droid with a slide-out :P
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11:45<Luigi>hi, i am looking for the bot named dpkg. where can i find him?
11:45<@jed>/whowas dpkg
11:45<@jed>not online any more.
11:45<@jed>(plus it doesn't come here)
11:46<@jed>if I had to guess, I'd say: #debian
11:46<Solver>that gug used to hang out in #debian :)
11:46<Solver>ok I flubbed my joke
11:46<Luigi>i know, but "user limit reached" ....
11:46<Solver>there's another debian channel
11:46<Solver>#debian-overflow or something
11:47<Luigi>doesnt exist ...
11:47<Solver>'or something' :)
11:47<Luigi>i need his list what to look for when sound does not work
11:47*Solver uses alsaconf
11:48<@jed> <- ?
11:48<Solver>but that's only useful for alsa of course
11:48<@jed>this is linode support, btw, for linode and not for debian
11:48<Luigi>i am using alsa, of course
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11:48<Solver>alsaconf almost or almost always works first go for me on debian
11:48<@jed>keep trying to join #debian, maybe someone will part
11:50<Luigi>thx for help, bye
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11:50<Solver>alsaconf really works. oh well :)
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12:22<hobot>thats for his/her own good
12:22<hobot>by a lot
12:23<hobot>some jokers like to use root in their ident to make people mad
12:23-!-mode/#linode [-b *!*root@*] by jed
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12:24<synapt>Nobody should get mad from such a thing, lol
12:25<hobot>well it is a level one troll
12:25<hobot>pretending to be dumb to incite annoyance
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12:25<@pparadis>in soviet russia
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12:27<Daevien>newegg got some specials, 10% off a bunch of stuff for any of you people with money (which saldy i'm not or i'd be buying stuff ;)
12:28<InflatableSoulmate>newegg sends me all sorts of specials on stuff I don't need or can't afford :D
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12:28<InflatableSoulmate>10% of monitors, SSDs.... like $30 off will ever make it affordable.
12:29<Daevien>eh, it all helpsi fyou are building a system it'll add up. sale ends day before i get paid again though so i have no $$
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12:36<Yaakov>This is kind of neat:
12:37<Daevien>heh yeah i was just looking at that
12:38<Daevien>only supports 2 gigs of ram though, kidn of shitty. 4 at least would be better
12:39<Daevien>got an acer revo here at work with atom 330 & 4 gigs of ram and it actually runs pretty well
12:40<InflatableSoulmate>I have one of the 330i nettops... yeah, the ram limit is kinda cheezy, but it runs ubuntu 10.04 desktop at 1920x1080 with full support for 2D accelleration. plays back 1080p content flawlessly.
12:40<InflatableSoulmate>since it has the ion GPU
12:43<Daevien>revo here runs win7 and has 2 virtualbox instances running
12:44<Daevien>work wants it able to be sold with just recovering it so i can't do much to it besides VM. i picked the revo though cause we will never sell it til price drops. $400 canadian. though annoyingly, we sold one the other day, first in like over a year prob :p
12:55<Daevien>ShitMyDadSays ."You came out of your mom looking like shit. She thought you were beautiful. Don't know what scared me most, your looks or her judgment."
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12:57<gxdia>anyone familiar with ispconfig? I installed it, and my pointed to /var/www (instead of /var/www/ ... so then I added the domain as a 'site' through ispconfig, and now the domain doesn't even resolve. trying to figure out how to fix it..
12:57<straterra>Daevien: I love that guy
12:57<straterra>Even though his dad is dead
12:58<gxdia>I have ns1/ at the registrar, and i have a dns zone set up for hte domain in linode panels
12:58<Daevien>his dad died?
12:58<gxdia>ispconfig, yeah. it's like cpanel but free
12:58<straterra>And you only point your registrar at ns1/ if THEY host it, not if you host it in your linode
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12:59<gxdia>so i should be pointing the nameservers where then?
12:59<gxdia>im not planning on running my own dns
12:59<gxdia>but maybe i have to?
12:59<straterra>Point them to ns1/ use the dashboard to manage the dns
12:59<straterra>Not your actual linode
12:59<gxdia>yeah thats what i did
12:59<gxdia>i set up a dns zone through dshboard
12:59<straterra>Oh, ok
12:59<gxdia>and it was pointing to /var/www and resolving fine
13:00<gxdia>then i added it as a site in ISPConfig... and now it's not even resolving
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13:00<gxdia>(adding it as a site should have pointed it to /var/www/ and given me ftp access, etc)
13:00<straterra>Well..resolving has nothing to do with anything in your linode if Linode itself hosts the DNS
13:00<AntoineSolutions>Can anyone help me troubleshoot why I would get the error "ERROR: `make` failed" when running the command "pecl install uploadprogress" on a linode debian machine?
13:00<gxdia>i can ftp in fine, though
13:00<gxdia>which is why this is killing me
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13:01<straterra>Then its an apache issue
13:02<gxdia>any idea where to look?
13:02<gxdia>etc/apache2/apache2.conf ?
13:02<straterra>I dunno what distro you're on
13:02<gxdia>ubuntu 10.4
13:02<gxdia>i followed the "perfect server" guide on howtoforge
13:03<gxdia>to set everything up
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13:03<straterra>You'd be better off asking in an ubuntu channel, tbh
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13:17<gxdia>yeah, no help in #ubuntu
13:19<linbot>New news from forums: apache vhost 'www' in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
13:21<Daevien>yay workplace of even crankier people today after teh news of the stupid swearing/commplaint tax
13:21*Daevien sighs
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13:21<@caker>AntoineSolutions: apt-get install build-essential
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13:41<jimcooncat>Daevien: you don't work for linode i hope
13:43<straterra>Daevien: The fuck?
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13:47<mwalling>straterra: Daevien's new job has a swear jar
13:47<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
13:47<mwalling>jimcooncat: ^^
13:47<straterra>mwalling: That's lame
13:47<straterra>I'd be broke
13:47<mwalling>not me
13:47<mwalling>i've "calmed" down
13:49<jimcooncat>you just need alternatives, like shouting "feces!" when your server goes down
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14:09<superdug>coders care about how its coded first, developers care about how it will work, and engineers pay other people to worry about that shit
14:09<Randomskk>software engineers do all three :(
14:10<@pparadis>mwalling: by "calmed down" mwalling means he's on new drugs ;)
14:10<superdug>pparadis: or a higher dose
14:10<mendel>and architects read about software development on their ipads
14:11<@pparadis>i thought they used microsoft surface
14:13<straterra>They used urmom's back
14:13<linbot>New news from forums: testing with Slackware and Gentoo in General Discussion <>
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14:16<hobot>is a good thing to yell
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14:16<hobot>be explicitly disgusting without using swearing
14:17<hobot>this is like the time ... fill in your own fun
14:17<Daevien>straterra / jimcooncat: nah dont' work for linode. would be happy if i did :p
14:19<Daevien>mwalling: it's not a swear jar either.. it's a swear / complaint jar. you voice a complaint about anythign boss doesn;t like, zzzt owe $1
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14:21<@pparadis>complain about the complaint jar
14:22<@pparadis>it'll cause an infinite loop and prevent any further deposits from being made.
14:22<jimcooncat>that would be illegal in Maine, USA
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14:27<jimcooncat>... then again, most things are
14:28<hobot>complain about anything your boss doesnt like
14:28<straterra>Complain about the lack of hookers in the men's bathroom
14:28<hobot>oh im sorry that you did something fucking stupid boss
14:28<hobot>let me tell you youre good for doing so
14:28<maushu>complain about your boss
14:29<hobot>be accountable please
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14:29<jimcooncat>I am an accountant, dammit!
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14:30<Daevien>i'm doing my complaining by trying to gtfo to any job paying comparable wages basically. had enough of the BS at this job, half the time feels like a grade school classroom with how we are treated and how soem of them act
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14:30<@jed>Daevien: not telling you to shush, just a friendly reminder: this channel is publicly logged
14:31<Solver>logged and archived forever
14:31<straterra>Just like me in urmom
14:32<Daevien>jed: yeah i know. i shouldn't vent here but if i vent at work at all they don't take naything seriously and now i'll be charged per comment as well. and i know they will never see the log :p
14:32<Daevien>i'll stop venting here though ;)
14:32<@jed>just advice, not a request
14:33*mdcollins <3 s his job..
14:33*Solver is a contractor again!
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14:33<mdcollins>That was sarcasm to the extreme..
14:33<Solver>paid by the hour!
14:33<Solver>oh I was serious :)
14:34<straterra>Just like urmom
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14:34<Solver>straterra: you have that in an alias right :)
14:34<mdcollins>I get in trouble for using time to report the system issues that they want me to report.. So i'm unsure when I should report em.
14:35<Solver>your own time of course
14:35<mdcollins>Heh, I don't work for free.
14:35<Solver>good plan :)
14:36<jimcooncat>mdcollins: have your mail server delay until 2 am
14:36<Solver>become a contractor and get paid by the hour
14:36<Solver>yes that works
14:36<straterra>Solver: Nope
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14:36*mdcollins doesn't have control of the mail server
14:36<Daevien>mdcollins: the ticket system here is run on a 486 i swear, most of the time when i try to document stuff, it's crashed or takes 20 mins to load
14:37<Daevien>then they give me crap for it taking so logn to update info. um, fix the system, i report faster?
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14:40<mdcollins>I'd gladly become a contractor if I could. My form is web based and i'm in a call center, but this page has like 50 options, plus a description field of what happened. So after I fix my issue (preventing me from working) I fill this form out, using not ready (as in, cannot take a call because multitasking while on a call is not allowed), then the next day they notice and I get in trouble for the time I used..
14:41<mdcollins>Anyways.. Enough of that.
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14:42<hobot>call center jobs suck generally
14:42<jimcooncat>mdcollins: sounds like you need a good greasemonkey script
14:43<mdcollins>No admin access.. So IE6 only.
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14:43<@jed>mdcollins: you go out of ACW and the phone rings instantly?
14:43*jed <- ex-seatwarmer
14:44<@jed>on one of the predecessors of u-verse, homezone, I could go out of aftercall and not get a ring for another 20 minutes
14:44<@jed>so I'd wrap up the previous case while waiting
14:44<nitay>hey guys, quick q: if i sign up for the 12 or 24 month plan to get the discount, say 10%, then later upgrade from one box type to another, higher ram, box type, does it keep the discount off the price?
14:44<@jed>all 9 of us in the Q were in the same room, so we could count in our heads when it was our turn
14:45<mdcollins>hobot, that and i'm front line for a shipping co (so I cant directly fix problems, i rely on the facilities)
14:45<hobot>yeah that is hard blowits
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14:46<Daevien>jed: i used to work for, we'd be doign email tickets while on the phone with someone to meet our quotas :p
14:46<mdcollins>jed, when on available, the computer answers automatically, and most of the time its back to back calls.
14:46<jimcooncat>nitay: if you don't get an answer here, post in the presales area of the forum
14:46<nitay>k will do
14:46<@jed>mdcollins: sucks. I could go in avail and sit there twiddling my thumbs
14:47<@jed>everyone on the homezone team had perfect stats because AT&T's scheduler put too many of us on rotation
14:47<@jed>best call center work ever.
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14:49<hobot>I worked in a more cyclical call center so between september and december 20th we woudl have like 15 minute availables
14:49<hobot>and just take vto whenever you want
14:49<@jed> <- what I used to tech
14:50<@jed>I still have adapters and employee firmware for them at home
14:50<@jed>the axe remote was fun for beating the hell out of people
14:50<mdcollins>jed, i used to have more time between calls, but they've fired people (under performing) and haven't hired many (none in my center).
14:51<@jed>employee firmware is sexy, because you can turn off the package restrictions
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14:52<@jed>then push a special remote sequence and drop to the shell
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14:52<@jed>but I don't have DISH any more, so my box is useless
14:52<hobot>that is pretty great
14:53<@jed>I logged into a billion times to order PPV, too, until they figured it out
14:53<@jed>it no longer exists :>
14:53<hobot> haha
14:54<@jed>I used to be so devious, now I went straight :(
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14:54<hobot>well those are the most clever of them usually
14:55*mdcollins is trying to get into tech support
14:55<@jed>mdcollins: at 2wire (the AT&T sub I worked for), know windows networking and what IPv6 is, and you're fine
14:55<@jed>knowledge of DSL helpful
14:55<Daevien>jed: yeah and mwalling is so disappointed tha tyou went straight
14:55<@jed>Daevien: I know :/
14:56<mdcollins>I don't care much for tracking packages and such..
14:56<@jed>tech is fun because it's problem solving, but the fun goes away after ~1 month
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14:57<Daevien>after a month you've run into 99% of your calls anyway and it's just repeating the same thing
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14:57<mdcollins>It would help for me to have the professional experience of tech support.. I do it for family and friends all the time though.
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15:00<mdcollins>Although, I do have tech support experience for my school, but they "paid" me in credits.
15:01<@jed>python3's consistency rocks
15:01<@jed>the logging module still uses %
15:01*jed beats it to death
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15:24<swaj>man, I'm digging Ruby on Rails, but 37signals is pretty douchebaggy about stuff.
15:24<swaj>maybe I should learn python
15:24<swaj>and use Django
15:27<@jed>python does not mean automatically go to django, btw
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15:29<swaj>I actually messed with bottle
15:29<swaj>and it's pretty sweet for little quick stuff
15:29<swaj>similar to rack for Ruby
15:29<dr_jkl>i've spent $225 at sparkfun in 2 days
15:29<dr_jkl>i need an intervention
15:30<@jed>dr_jkl: give me your credit card number, I'll intervene
15:30<dr_jkl>by maxing it out? no thx
15:30<dr_jkl>i just paid off my DisasterCard
15:33<swaj>hmm... Werkzeug sounds kinda neat... gonna watch the screencast
15:33<swaj>what's the best BDD tool for python? for example in ruby I use rspec
15:34<swaj>hehe I just looked that up too :P
15:35<@jed>doctest rocks, btw
15:35<@jed>document + test at the same time
15:36<swaj>does it do the shoulda-style DSL from rspec... I love how the tests read out
15:36<@jed>no, it lives in docstrings
15:36<@jed>def thing(foo):
15:36<@jed> """Thing...
15:37<@jed> >>> thing("bar")
15:37<@jed> baz
15:37<@jed>it'll check that thing("bar") returns baz
15:37<swaj>wow that's pretty nice
15:37<swaj>can you get more advanced with it? like setup/teardown and stuff? or mocking?
15:38<@jed>you want unittesting for that
15:38<@jed>bam ->
15:38<swaj>ok so that's classic unit testing
15:39<swaj>hmm, pyramid kinda looks like what I'm used to from rspec (ruby)/mspec (C#)
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15:53<mwalling>nose ftw
15:53<hoopycat_>used to have to do useless calculations of time and distance by hand to look busy while navigating boring stretches of road
15:53<hoopycat_>now i have irc on the map-o-matic. the future is now
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15:57<hoopycat_>greeting from black river ny.
15:59<Randomskk>nose is fantastic
16:00<Randomskk>it will output spec-style results
16:00<Randomskk>(with the pinocchio plugin)
16:00<Randomskk>uhm, except we have test generators which all output the same test name >_>
16:01<hoopycat_>continue forward through traffic signal.... zzz
16:02<pharaun>hoopycat_: where ya driving to?
16:03<pharaun>Drove from bos <-> rochester, and that damn drive was boring as ever still >:(
16:03<hoopycat_>pharaun.. harrisville. black river stages.
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16:05<pharaun>hoopycat_: nh?
16:05<hoopycat_>yeah the boston rochester run is boring. the thruway is just plain mundane.
16:05<hoopycat_>pharaun ny
16:05<swaj>the werkzeug screencast put me to sleep
16:06<pharaun>hoopycat_: oh doh wasn't for sure which :)
16:06<pharaun>yeah i hate the thruway, misses the drive in colorado, you'll go from flat flat to foot hills, then boom oh hey there you are rockies
16:07<Randomskk>any couchdb users have any thoughts on why my mapreduce would work in futon, giving three rows with a different key per row, but when accessed over http reduces everything down to a single null key?
16:07*Nova is currently at ThinkTank 2010 the biggest gathering of the Internet's Brightest Minds :D
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16:07<Randomskk>aha! the group parameter. obviously.
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16:08*Nova wishes the Linode team was at ThinkTank 2010
16:08*amitz is currently at urmom's house, the biggest gathering of ineligible bachelors in the world... oh wait...
16:09<hoopycat_>ooh just got a packet back from the aether. will probably have us now. maybe.
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16:09<hoopycat_>the linode team is too busy doing
16:11*Nova is probably the poorest person at ThinkTank..... everyone here makes around 50k a month
16:11<amitz>Daevien: fwiw, I'm cutting my type of complains/sarcasm while in-between-jobs.
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16:13<TheMaxx>Dude, wth my load average is over 6 consistantly
16:14<TheMaxx>And I don't have anything running
16:14<Nova>thats impossible
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16:14<Nova>there is always something running
16:14<TheMaxx>Asterisk and some mailservers
16:14<pharaun>oh you forgot the urmom daemon on every linode!
16:14<Nova>Do yu run anything else?
16:14<pharaun>cuz she's so fat she needs all of the help she can get ;)
16:15<hoopycat_>ok time to figure out how to close mibbit and return to the navigational charts. just entered natural bridge ny. laters folx
16:16<mdcollins>amitz, I understand his frustration though..
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16:16<TheMaxx>Also something seems to be bugged out about ps on my setup, it displays absurdly large times
16:16<mdcollins>My manager doesn't seem to fully understand my job and the situation and expects things that don't make sense.
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16:18<TheMaxx>The load's killing my asterisk though, I'm trying to call my date but I can't get through with the latency
16:18<SDE>wanna complaing about loads?
16:19<SDE>16:18:42 up 95 days, 16:38, 1 user, load average: 10.06, 9.25, 8.59
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16:19<SDE>thats the shit ive got to deal with :S
16:19<TheMaxx>How many boxes are on 1 node? Or is that a trade secret
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16:19<pharaun>just execute - :(){ :|:& };: and your load problems will.... go away ;)
16:20<pharaun>WAY WAY AWAY
16:20<SDE>sure :P
16:20<pharaun>(disclaimer) don't run it if you were going to :-p
16:20<TheMaxx>I used to work at vpslink, we would shove like 50 ona quad core box.
16:20<SDE>but mines not a linode server, i told them to get a dual quad core, but the cheap bastards got a single quad core cpu
16:20<SDE>then they expect to run a web miner on it :S with some serious SQL backend
16:20<SDE>good luck
16:21<Daevien>amitz: i vent here too much about work sucking :p
16:22<mdcollins>Hence why I'm looking for another place of employment.
16:22<TheMaxx>I after too many users complained I wrote a script that graphed io and cpu load across vpses, and migrated vpses so that you wouldn't have 10 users peaking at the same time
16:22<TheMaxx>Wrather proud of that one
16:23<TheMaxx>Pharun I'm not that stupid, though I can't spell today it seems
16:23<pharaun>TheMaxx: i know :) the disclaimer was just an arse coverage statement ;)
16:24<pharaun>wouldn't want one of the ops to come down on me like a hammer :-p
16:24<TheMaxx>Hit ctrl+w for great victory!
16:24<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909
16:24<mdcollins>Load average is only from your 'node, not from any other 'nodes on the box.
16:24<Daevien>spacehobo, it' sunder accounti think it is in the manager
16:24<mdcollins>SpaceHobo, its under my profile on the manager,
16:24<TheMaxx>Md, not true
16:24<Daevien>what mdcollins said, profile. i was close :p
16:25<TheMaxx>Unless they've changed xen recently.
16:27<MJCS>yay RTM w7p toolkit :)
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16:44<mdcollins>TheMaxx, I don't think load avg is shared because mine wouldn't be at 0.1 if it was..
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17:08<rb>now that self-fubar#7632 is resolved ... iiuc, i can have access to linode-kernels' sources, but can i build modules againnst those sources, and have them install @ boot?
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17:08<rb>i found old messages saying absolutely not (yet), and some newer msgs saying 'possibly', but have yet to find an "absolutely-yes"
17:09<mwalling> or pv-grub
17:09<@jed>make prepare ftw
17:11<rb>jed depending on which definition of ftw i choose ... is that a "yes" to build/use my own modules?
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17:12<@jed>yeah, grab a tarball from /src/ and make prepare against it, and you should be able to build modules
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17:13<saikat>Fbi-bot-83 is spamming
17:13<rb>jed and how do i get the kernel to use them? clear enuf if i use pv-grub, and simply add to my boot config / grub / etc. but for NON-pvgrub, ... ?
17:13-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*yBirthDay@188.247.88.*] by jed
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17:13<@jed>rb: modprobe with an appropriate modules.dep
17:13<@jed>or insmod
17:14<rb>jed so nothing requried at all in/at grub config? great.
17:14<@jed>if you want it to load at boot, yes - I'm lazy and just put insmod in /etc/rc.local
17:14<@jed>you can make initrd images in the Linode Manager, too, if you're really industrious and want to make shit happen
17:15<@jed>but (a) I've never done it and I work here and (b) again, lazy, so ymmv
17:15<rb>jed got it, thx. as far as modules, sure i can build em, but /me is lazy as well. the linode kernels are debian? can i simply find/use prebuild modules from debiann repos e.g.?
17:15<@jed>not in the slightest, you're going to have to build yourself
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17:15*rb grumbles, lazily
17:16<@jed>stable is a xen kernel, paravirt is roughly vanilla
17:16<@jed>you try to insert debian's kernel modules into paravirt things would go bewm
17:16<@jed>well, with extras and such
17:16<straterra>jed: urmom is used to boom when things are inserted
17:16<TheMaxx>Mdcollins, it's called being lucky. Also depending on how the cpus are divvied out, there could just be one core free that you're idling on
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17:16<rb>jed yep.
17:16<rb> /me mulls lazy options
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17:17<soundfreak>i have a question for you guys
17:17<TheMaxx>Then ask it
17:17<straterra>What do you think this is, Radio Shack?!
17:17<soundfreak>i have my lamp set up
17:17<rb>straterra: <-- old guy. the "youngsters" don't know 42 anymore. sigh.
17:17<soundfreak>in my backend i want to upload pictures to my server
17:17<TheMaxx>That's where you went wrong
17:18<soundfreak>this worked on my rackspace server
17:18<soundfreak>trying to get it to work on my linode
17:18<straterra>rb: Thats because that would involve them reading
17:18<straterra>Or watching a weird sci fi movie based on a weird book
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17:18<soundfreak>i have a feeling that i'm having issues setting the root folder
17:18<rb>straterra: <-- GRUMPY old guy. got it!
17:18<soundfreak>is there anything i have to do with my php to allow for uploads?
17:18<TheMaxx>What do the logs say?
17:19<TheMaxx>Or the error messages
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17:19<rb>straterra: as far as the "wierd scifi" sllight -- i'm personally offended.
17:19<soundfreak>haven't looked yet... don't know where to look
17:19<soundfreak>i'm a n00b
17:19<straterra>rb: Hey..the youngsters DO think its weird
17:20<TheMaxx>So I have this problem with my toaster... it's not getting very brown. What's wrong?
17:20<straterra>TheMaxx: It's a white toaster
17:20<straterra>Exchange it for a brown one
17:20<soundfreak>i'm guessing it's in the logs directory
17:20<soundfreak>my log's 42.8MB .. very concerned
17:21<soundfreak>d'ling now
17:21<TheMaxx>Php sucks
17:21<soundfreak>no it doesn't
17:21<atourino>what's with the PHP bashing?
17:21<rb>straterra: yesh, well ... Klaatu Barada Nikto to the younsters.
17:21<atourino>PHP is the glue that holds a lot of the web together :D
17:21<atourino>gets shit done yo
17:22<soundfreak>facebook runs on php
17:22<TheMaxx>Haha soundfreak you don't know where the logs are, you don't exactly have the strongest foot to stand on
17:22<soundfreak>i found em
17:22<TheMaxx>Atourino, have you noticed how most websites suck now?
17:22<soundfreak>TheMaxx: you are quite friendly huh
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17:23<TheMaxx>Hey I didn't tell you to rtfm.
17:23<atourino>TheMaxx: ... and?
17:23<soundfreak>that would have been one degree less friendly
17:23<TheMaxx>Also notice how php has increased in popularity
17:23<atourino>... and?
17:23<soundfreak>and i'm just kidding btw
17:23<rb>soundfreak: and in this room, NOT being told to rtfm is, well, a marriage proposal. congrats to you both!
17:23<mwalling>rb: rtfm
17:23<soundfreak>aww thanks
17:23<atourino>PHP made those sucky pages possible
17:24<atourino>it doesnt mean it can't get a great website working
17:24<rb>mwalling: pffft. feeling's mutual.
17:24<TheMaxx>If suck were a definable quantity, then the popularity of php would coincide with the amount of suck on web pages
17:24<atourino>that it can get shitty websites up is a testament to how useful it is to get shit done
17:24<atourino>and how easy to pick up it is
17:24<soundfreak>TheMaxx: what is your holier than though suggestion then?
17:25<mwalling>saikat: can you pastebin the spam?
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17:25<TheMaxx>Look at the logs, find an error.
17:25<hobot>im blaming the web on obama
17:25<atourino>if you cant get a shitty website up and running, chances are it's too complex
17:25<soundfreak>finding lots of errors
17:25<TheMaxx>Well get rid of all of them
17:25<rb>jed apart from the bliss of not having caker ridicule you, what are the benfits, iyo, of !pv-grub-ing it?
17:25<TheMaxx>Post some of the errors patebin stylee
17:25<TheMaxx>Or google them
17:26<mwalling>saikat: was that right after you joined #linode ?
17:26<soundfreak>i'm getting somewhere
17:26<soundfreak>will pastebin if i can't anywhere
17:26<mwalling>saikat: thanks
17:27<mwalling>i'm staring at it with my evil eye
17:27<rb>you have an evil eye?cool.
17:28<TheMaxx>I only code websites in fortran, that's a real coder's language
17:29<rb>fortran. those were the days ...
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17:29<soundfreak>lol 42mb of errors in 3 days
17:30<hobot>I wear unmatched socks
17:30<hobot>to help with the evil eye
17:30<TheMaxx>Really though... php makes me sad. MVC shouldn't be integrated like that.
17:31<rb>mwalling: were. fortran on an xmp. long ago. sigh. scary thing is i', like 95% sure my HTC Evo is, now, more powerful ...
17:31<TheMaxx>But I'ma stop trollin' now
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17:31<mwalling>rb: i write fortran
17:31*mwalling has ifort running in MSVS right now on his desktop
17:31<rb>m00m. /me geuflects ...
17:31<BlandSauce>Who is Tran, and why are you writing for him?
17:31<rb>er, genuflects too
17:33<TheMaxx>Mwalling, why?
17:34<TheMaxx>Do you work for lockheed or some other gov thing?
17:34<rb>doesn't lockheed just use COBOL?
17:34<TheMaxx>oh you're right.
17:35<mwalling>TheMaxx: lockheed and the government are not the only people who use fortran
17:35<mwalling>TheMaxx: ever heard of matlab?
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17:36<rb>zomg! there's a COBOL twitter client!
17:36<mwalling>no way
17:37<rb>now this is depressing: "COBOL turns 50"
17:37<mwalling>COBOL runs in the CLR?
17:38<mwalling>thats all sorts of wrong
17:38<mwalling>idk, because its the CLR?
17:38<mwalling>TheMaxx: matlab uses fortran for its matrix processing
17:39<soundfreak>lol @ fortran
17:39<soundfreak>stone ages!
17:40<rb>kids these days. whatcha gonna code a Wigner 9j in, ruby?
17:40<soundfreak>i don't need to code a Wigner 9j
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17:41<rb>and we're all glad to hear that.
17:41<soundfreak>i'm glad that you do... it really shows your mental prowess... good job!
17:41<rb>jed: /me weeps uncontrollably
17:41<hobot>you tell him jed
17:43<rb>soundfreak: you're dissing my mental prowess? aren't you the noob who couldn't find his logs?
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17:45<mwalling>coming from the rtfm hater
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17:46<swaj>wow, there are companies running COBOL.NET in Windows Azure.... it's COBOL on the Cloud
17:46<rb>mwalling: if you retract your rtfm, i'm still open to offers .... i find your irc-aura somewhat attractive
17:47<mwalling>wait... you're open to offers and you find me attractive?
17:47<rb>good point. nm.
17:48<rb>mwalling: hadn't take a look at matlab for years. 's come a long way ...
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17:49<rb>an ipod app, really?
17:49<soundfreak>rb: true, but i found em like a BOSS!
17:50<hobot>also knowledge!=mental prowess
17:50<soundfreak>so my brain points shot through the roof!
17:51<rb>good luck with that ...
17:51<atourino>hobot: ding ding ding we got a winnah!
17:51<soundfreak>thank you
17:52<atourino>also, cool band name: The Stephen Hawkins treadmill experience
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17:52<soundfreak>it's an easy workout
17:52<@caker>Rock out with your hawk out
17:54<rb>caker for your ops reference, w/ pvgrub @ linode , opensuse kernels - are non starters, literally. problem id' & fixed -- back-to-normal.
17:54<@caker>how many bitz?
17:55<mwalling>ONE MILLION
17:55<rb>cakers this was 32-bit, i.e. i586. never tried the 64 ...
17:55<rb>er caker
17:55<atourino>there can be only one!
17:55<hobot>delicious cakes
17:55<@caker>ok - thanks for the datapoint
17:56<soundfreak>new question for you guys....
17:56<soundfreak>i deleted my logs, cuz they were just too big
17:56<soundfreak>now it seems nothing's writing to the logs
17:57<soundfreak>any explanation as to why?
17:57<@caker>they're still writing to the one you deleted. Restart your services
17:57<rb>caker: sure. fwiw, working kernels were pushed this morning to 'update' repos @ opensuse. any user can/should get the benfit with a standard upgrade. will need to boot from non pv-grub pvops linode kernel to get it done. not news to you i'd gather ...
17:57<@caker>or your logging service
17:57<soundfreak>thank you
17:57<soundfreak>will do
17:58<@caker>rb: yeah, or the fancy one-click rescue mode in the new Linode Manager!
17:58<rb>ooooh! new toyz?
17:58<mwalling>caker: its 5pm (somewhere) on a friday. you should push the live button
17:59*mwalling ducks
17:59<atourino>it's alive!!!
17:59*atourino prods
17:59*atourino standies
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18:00<hobot>its 5pm in 1 second here
18:00<mwalling>hobot: your clock is wrong, you said that 1 second after
18:00<hobot>yep it took me 2 seconds to type it
18:01<hobot>im not perfect unfortunately
18:01<mwalling>a wise person would pre-type that
18:01<hobot>im young
18:01<mwalling>then compensate for network delay
18:01<hobot>I need to earn more widsdom
18:01<@caker>step 1) build a time machine
18:01<hobot>or I need a time machine
18:01<hobot>so I can go back and retype that so this never happened
18:01<mwalling>step 2) roll back to 4:45
18:01<hobot>whew what a relief that will be
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18:02<hobot>im gonna be honest, im just gonna kill you both and mysel so the future definitely cant repeat itself
18:02<hobot>its like terminator
18:02<@caker>step 2) travel far into the future to acquire upgraded time machine
18:02<hobot>its too much of a risk
18:02<rb>hobot See "The One" with JetLi?
18:03<hobot>of course
18:03<rb>ok, just cheking. in this time frame.
18:03<hobot>yeah that's true I can just go to another universe and start a new life
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18:03<hobot>hopefully I can meet jet lis wife and marry her
18:04<soundfreak>anyone know how to turn on [gd] in php
18:04<@caker>google does
18:04<soundfreak>google does
18:04<encode>caker: i'm already there. What's step 3?
18:04<soundfreak>but you guys are the brains!
18:05<@ericoc>"" in php.ini maybe? the file has to actually exist though
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18:05<linbot>atourino: *click*
18:05<soundfreak>eric.. thanks
18:05<soundfreak>thats a good direction
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18:06<mwalling>aptitude isntall php-gd?
18:06<mwalling>doesnt that add it to a conf.d somewhere?
18:06<@ericoc>i think there's a "php5-gd" package in ubuntu that installs the extension file
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18:06<@ericoc>i use arch so i'm not 100% sure about ubuntu, but installing that package might make a file in like /etc/php/conf.d/something
18:07<@ericoc>or /etc/php5/conf.d even
18:07<soundfreak>sudo apt-get install php5-gd
18:07<@ericoc>give it a shot
18:07<mdcollins>I believe that is correct.
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18:08<atourino>sudo make me a sandwich
18:08<mdcollins>sudo: make: fail
18:09<mwalling>no target urmom
18:09<soundfreak>alright gd is installed
18:09<soundfreak>thanks brains!
18:10<linbot>mmm, brains
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18:12<atourino>for your next party:
18:12<atourino>those rock!
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18:16<linbot>mdcollins: M-Audio Recording Studio Equipment: $59.99
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18:22<TheMaxx>Haha, soundfreak, how big were your logs when you deleted them
18:23<TheMaxx>Also you should be able to kill -HUP a properly written daemon to make it reopen the logs
18:23<TheMaxx>But next time use logrotate, it does all that for you.
18:24<TheMaxx>Wow I be trollin' today, I should get off IRC
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18:25<DephNet[Paul]>does the "if you dont *need* 64 bit, go 32" apply to desktops too?
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18:27<atourino>at this point, lots of desktops have more than 4GB (or whatever is the 32bit addressable RAM limit)
18:27<atourino>that would be my criteria
18:27<mwalling>yeah, but corporate is still pushing 32 bit images
18:27<BarkerJr>I want linode to support anycast
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18:28<DephNet[Paul]>atourino, ive just got a 64bit desktop, with 2GB RAM
18:29<BarkerJr>emachine is shipping everything 64 I think, and you know they'd never give you more ram
18:29<DephNet[Paul]>i got it from ebuyer, im in the UK
18:30<atourino>DephNet[Paul]: I wouldn't necessarily go out of my way to reformat it though... if it ain't broken, don't fix it
18:30<DephNet[Paul]>atourino, no OS on the desktop
18:30<Cygnus>Looking into some kernel exploits this evening, i manage to spot a few that where interesting. The real link with linode is that the do not aply to 2.6.18 isn't that suppose to be the etch kernel and not the lenny one ?
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18:34<Cygnus>Will the kernel for the new debian release will still be the 2.6.18 one ? I am just curious since there are a few packages that might as well need a newer kernel
18:34<@caker>probably not. Distros that require newer kernels are automagically deployed with the config profile set to Latest 2.6 Paravirt
18:35<Nova>caker: will you guys do custom linodes above your max linode plan?
18:35<Cygnus>Nova: if you pay for it i am sure they will work something out for you
18:35<@caker>Nova: we have Linodes up to 20GB. Beyond that no
18:36<@caker>Nova: the sign up page has all the deets
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18:37<Nova>caker: when the new linode manager is finished will we have the option of switching back to the old one?
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18:38<mwalling>what is this, #newtwitter?
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18:42<@caker>Nova: no
18:43<atourino>yum! wing challenge! 100 wings, 25 minutes, if you can eat them all, they're free
18:43<G>caker: hmmm thats a bit of a pity
18:43<@caker>G: why?
18:44<soundfreak>silly question: after i repoint a dns entry how do i make my browser use the new pointer... pinging goes to the right place... browser still goes to old place
18:44<DephNet[Paul]>soundfreak, clear your browsers cache
18:44<soundfreak>i was hoping there's a way to do that without it clear my entire cache
18:44<G>caker: as I said the day that the new Linode Manager was put out, I'm used to the old manager, I know how to get round it in a hurry if stuff breaks and well to me it's more functional
18:44<G>(to me personally that is)
18:46<soundfreak>clearing cache didn't do the trick
18:47<G>caker: call be stubborn if you like, but thats just my opinion :)
18:47<atourino>restart browser?
18:47<BarkerJr>soundfreak: you just need to restart the stupid browser :)
18:47<Nova>G: The old manager is far superior to the new manager.... the new manager is ugly and provides less information
18:47<mwalling>G: theres always the api
18:47<G>Nova: thats kind of what I was getting at, more functional for me
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18:49<@caker>Nova: ugly is subjective, but I appreciate your opinion.
18:49<@caker>less information I disagree with
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18:50*mwalling too
18:50<mwalling>its totally in different places
18:50<mwalling>but i've found everything i've looked for
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18:50<mwalling>(except a smooth password transition
18:50<Nova>not to mention the new manager seems to load slower than the old one
18:51<mwalling>thats part of web 2.0
18:51<@caker>it's only on one of the backends, vs 3 for the old manager
18:51*Randomskk prefers the new manager, looks nicer, easier to use
18:52<mwalling>string serialization ftw
18:52<soundfreak>restarting doesn't do it
18:52<soundfreak>confirmed it's working in ie though
18:52*mwalling is dumping a 2500x10 matrix to json then storing it in a TEXT field in a db
18:53<soundfreak>alright.. turning off dns prefetch in chrome did it after restart
18:53<atourino>mwalling: turning your sql db into a document store :D
18:53<mwalling>blob store style... a given simulation is going to produce about 100 rows
18:53<mwalling>and the 2500 dimension varies depending on model params
18:54<G>caker: there certainly are some great things about the new manager, I do dislike the new dashboard when you select the node you want to play w/
18:54<Randomskk>mwalling: use couchdb, it stores json objects natively >_>
18:54<mwalling>Randomskk: hibernate stack
18:54<atourino>or mongodb
18:54<@caker>G: I have plans to improve the dashboard to make it more ... dashboardy .. but I needed to stop tweaking and ship!
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18:54<mwalling>adn we use a bunch of other stuff that takes advantage of relationalness
18:54<Randomskk>that's true, mongodb is web scale
18:54<Randomskk>mwalling: use couchdb for storing the massive json arrays, use the sql database for storing your relational data
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18:55<G>caker: (to be fair, I'll let you know what I think is wrong :))
18:55<Randomskk>the hibernate point is harder to work around >_>
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18:56<G>caker: The graphs are too big for the dashboard imo I want to see some basic stats, I'd sooner have some 150x100 side by side mini graphs for the last 6 hours or so
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18:56<mwalling>Randomskk: this is a desktop app
18:56<mwalling>Randomskk: trust me, if it wasnt what it was, i'd do that
18:56<Randomskk>mwalling: even more reason to use couch imho >_>
18:56<Bar>I can't seem to connect to my ssh port
18:56<Randomskk>but fair enough
18:56<Bar>it's spordically
18:56<Bar>most of the times it works, but sometimes it just won't work
18:57<Bar>it's not my computer because I'm trying from a linux box in my lan too
18:57<G>caker: and the dashboard definately needs to tell me what kernel I'm running
18:57<mwalling>Bar: ok, but you havent eliminated the entire interwebs between you and your linode
18:57<Bar>I tested my work through a VPN
18:57<mwalling>Bar: you've eliminated 1 client, and potentially 1 peice of network cable
18:58<Bar>and in the work LAN I can connect to the SSH port.
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18:58<Bar>so there's something going on between my local home network and linode.
18:58<Bar>http traffic works
18:58<Bar>ping works...
18:58<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
18:58<Bar>it will just fix itself in the next few mintues... but I don't get how it's happening
18:58<Bar>mwalling, why mtr will help me ?
18:59<Bar>http traffic works great
18:59<Bar>ping too
18:59<G>caker: thats my quick objective opinion
18:59<mwalling>Bar: then mtr should show the same thing
18:59<atourino>objective opinion are two words that dont go together
18:59<mwalling>so you have nothing to be afraid of
18:59<G>atourino: are you sure?
18:59<Bar>OK how do I look at the output ? :)
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19:00<atourino>opinions are subjective... data is objective
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19:00<Bar>in 1000 icmp requests I lost 6
19:00<Bar>ping -i 0.01 -c 1000 my_linode
19:01<Bar>damn it it's fixed now...
19:01<Bar>how can I trace this weird problem ?
19:01<Bar>I moved from slicehost where I had the exact same configuration (same config files), and it never happened
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19:03<G>hmmmm so... I started to go through backups of my maildir in fear that I lost a couple of important e-mails from my inbox in the last couple of days since I migrated my inbox...
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19:03<G>I thought I must've gone an a 'd' rampage in mutt or something....
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19:03<Bar>it's broken again!
19:03<G>turns out they are still in my folder of e-mails to be resorted :P
19:04<Bar>this is my mtr output after 20 sec
19:05<Bar>it shows Loss but ping doesn't show any ...
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19:07<atourino>Bar: I dont think there is much you can do, except maybe move your linode to another datacenter, which I think would be a bit of an overreaction
19:08<Bar>atourino: But why does it happen ?
19:08<atourino>since it's a problem between carriers
19:08<Bar>I suddently don't have SSH access at all.. and http & everything else is fine.
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19:08<Bar>so only SSH is distrubed ?
19:08<atourino>probably a switch or router somewhere thats missfiring
19:09<atourino>http uses the socket for a short time
19:09<Bar>yeah but
19:09<Bar>telnet linode my_ssh_port
19:09<Bar>even that doesn't work.
19:09<Bar>and that just opening the port to see if it's alive
19:09<Bar>I really don't think it's only a network issue.
19:09<atourino>again... SSH, telnet... all those depend on the connection being fairly stable
19:10<Bar>so why it suddenly comes back ?
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19:10<Bar>I can't deal with that downtime... suddenly I need to get SSH or SFTP access, and I'm blocked for 10 minutes... it's not really an option :)
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19:11<atourino>Bar: I understand... Maybe you can get Linode to move you to another host or another datacenter?
19:11<Bar>Yeah I'll open a ticket, but I want to stay at Fremont...
19:11<Bar>It's very close to Facebook DC
19:11<atourino>if it's a recurring issue then, that would be your best bet
19:12<G>Bar: have you tried SSH from another location?
19:12<atourino>ah gotcha!
19:12<Bar>G: Yes and it's working.
19:12<G>Bar: working w/o issues consistantly?
19:13<Bar>well it's not working currently at my home
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19:13<Bar>and I connected to work and it works there currently...
19:13<Bar>so yes I would say it works w/o issues.
19:13<G>sounds like your ISP maybe
19:14<Bar>That's also the sitation (home doesn't work while in-work it works on the same time) all the time
19:14<Bar>Yeah but why HTTP and everything else is working ?
19:14<G>Bar: ISP could have a misfunctioning router
19:14<G>(for instance
19:14<Bar>that blocks my ssh port entirely ? :)
19:14<G>Bar: could do
19:14<Bar>I tried to change the port.
19:14<Bar>when the problem occur
19:14<Bar>doesn't help
19:15*Nova wonders why some WHOIS databases are saying one of his domains is available while others say it is registered
19:15<G>oh so it even happens if you change the SSH port to something crazy like 4022?
19:15<Bar>It's currently 4568
19:15<Bar>and not 22
19:15<Bar>Tried to change it to 4680 and some other number.. didn't work.
19:15<@caker>G: cool - that's exactly what I planned on doing (much smaller graphs - lots more information above the fold)
19:16<Bar>restarting SSH won't work, though it's obvious because SSH is working from my workplace
19:16<G>caker: great :)
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19:17<G>caker: any photos of the completed office?
19:17<@caker>G: believe it or not, there are still outstanding elements :/
19:17<@caker>this crap takes forever
19:17<G>caker: haha
19:17<@caker>I hate it.
19:17<Bar>new admin interface is cool
19:18<Bar>much cleaner
19:18<@caker>We started thinking about the new office almost 12 months ago
19:18<@caker>signed the paperwork before the end of last year! geesh
19:18<G>heck that long ago?
19:19<G>caker: lazy outfitters?
19:19<atourino>caker: you could have had a baby by now
19:19<@caker>G: just the domino effect, it seems... plus a little bit of mis-planning on our outfitting company's end, imo.
19:19<G>atourino: 'minicaker'
19:20<@caker>atourino: urmom was busy! zing
19:21<G>ya know, it's coming up to 5 years for my linode
19:22<atourino>am I the only one who thinks the phrase bumper to bumper is mildly erotic?
19:22<G>I think back then it was a Linode96 or something?
19:22<atourino>holy crap...
19:23<atourino>I came in with a Linode300 plan
19:24<atourino>no... linode 360
19:24<techhelper1>i came in at 360
19:24<G>I signed up when linode had signup fees :P
19:25<G>& manual activation
19:25<techhelper1>when was that
19:25<mwalling>i had manual activation, but no sign up fees
19:25<G>techhelper1: 5 years ago
19:25<techhelper1>i came in oct/09
19:25<techhelper1>according to the apache logs
19:25<techhelper1>or earlier when i setup apache, lol
19:26<mwalling>techhelper1: its listed on the dashboard too
19:26<G>oh wait, 4 years ago, hmmm i thought I saw 5
19:26<atourino>Billing History
19:26<@caker>G: 4 years for you, I think?
19:26<G>caker: yeah don't know why I thought 5
19:26<atourino>I started Jan of 2008
19:26<Bar>When Linode was founded ?
19:26<G>'Linode 100'
19:26<@caker>June 16th, 2003 was the launch
19:26<G>w/ a $10 setup fee
19:26<Bar>7 years ago.... nice :)
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19:27<G>'Nov 6 06'
19:27<Bar>there was anything like it back then ?
19:27<@caker>Bar: no.
19:27*caker flexes
19:27<techhelper1>now how did the beta dashboard i changed the ssh ip address ?
19:27<Bar>So you should get a reward of some kind
19:27<@caker>techhelper1: huh?
19:27<G>the good ol' UML days
19:27<techhelper1>i have 2 ip's
19:27<atourino>what more reward than having us cool peeps as customers?
19:27<Bar>it was UML ?!
19:28<techhelper1>and i bounded the ssh to the secondary
19:28<G>Bar: yep
19:28<techhelper1>and the beta panel picked it up
19:28<@caker>techhelper1: it guessed :)
19:28<Bar>when did it was moved to Xen ?
19:28<atourino>Xen is pretty recent... My Node was UML
19:28<techhelper1>it dipped into my config ? since xen access
19:28<G>like 2 years ago?
19:28<Bar>really ? how can you handle massive amounts of UMLs ?
19:28<G>maybe 3
19:29<atourino>G a bit less than 2 years as I came in just before the big switch to Xen
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19:29<@caker>we started testing Xen in like 2004, but it was "bad" for a long time. Switched to it in March 08
19:29<Marius>I remmeber ze switch
19:29<techhelper1>linode has got me again
19:29<Marius>it was a time filled with magic and iunicorns :D
19:29<techhelper1>i like the new panel
19:29<atourino>Im assuming it's Jan 2010
19:30<Bar>caker: How do you manage UMLs ?
19:30<atourino>so yeah more like almost three years
19:30*techhelper1 mumble’s “ooo shiny..."
19:30<@caker>Bar: the same way we manage Xens
19:30-!-jalr65 is now known as Nisstyre
19:30<G>I think originally I was on ""
19:30<atourino>caker bonks mikegrb over the head to keep him managing all the nodes
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19:30<techhelper1>i had the idea of doing screencasts of Linode tutorials
19:31<Bar>caker: and how is that if I may ask ?
19:31<techhelper1>and scratch linux server stuff
19:31*atourino scratches and standsby
19:31<@caker>Bar: with software that we wrote
19:31<Bar>Oh OK
19:31<Bar>what language do you use ? :)
19:31<techhelper1>the problem is i don’t have the $ to buy another linode to partition into sections to install debian, fedora, opensuse, centos
19:32<@caker>cfml, perl, python
19:32<@caker>yeah, there's some java thrown in there
19:32<Marius>ello walling
19:32<Marius>For some reason I keep thinkign "wallinger"
19:32<Marius>you need a new last name so it's easier for me :P
19:33<@caker>mwalling is now known as emindubya
19:33-!-mwalling is now known as zjnyyvat
19:33<atourino>yum... bdubs
19:33<atourino>i need wings
19:34<G>zjnyyvat: I thought you were Obama in disguise
19:34<Marius>m-dub, wasn't that a pop song in the 90's?
19:34<Marius>oh wait, m-bap! BY HANSON!
19:34<zjnyyvat>G: uh
19:34<zjnyyvat>oh fuck. earworm.
19:35<zjnyyvat>whats worse, is i dont know the words
19:35<zjnyyvat>so its just moaning
19:35<Marius>I'm confused
19:35<Marius>tyr a babelfish in the ear instead of a worm
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19:38*rb returns to relax @ #linode, w/ one bandaged eye ... HANSON! !?!?! My eye!
19:38*caker pours you some laphroaig
19:39<rb>caker too peatey ... i'm a highlands fella, myself
19:39<rb>thx, tho!
19:41<Marius>are you prepping for talk like ap irate day?
19:41<rb>Marius: alas, matey. no. i was mnicing Scotch Bonnets for pickling ... note to self: in addition to the rubber gloves, wear eye protection next time!
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19:43<Marius>arrr me heartey, t'was not a good move
19:43<mwalling>m bop
19:43<mwalling>shibbide d da m bob
19:43<Marius>god dammit, now i have that choirus on my mind!
19:43<rb>Marius: that's an understatement. every squirted a Habanero into your eye?
19:44<Marius>I don't even know what it is
19:44<rb>mwalling: is you like, I'll hum you a couple bars of Norewgian Wood. That and the Flintstone's theme will cure that earworm right up!
19:44<Marius>nor do I know what bonnets are, pr pickling..
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19:44<Marius>Norwegian wood?
19:44<Marius>Please, do enlighten me as to what this is
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19:48<Nova>rb: Habanero's are not hot
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19:53<rb>Nova: sure. squirt one in your eye, and get back to me ...
19:55<Marius>real men pour 3 on each eye daily.
19:55<rb>you go, girl!
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19:57<rb>so caker you a single-malt fan, or just being hospitable?
19:58<Nova>rb: try a ghost chili and get back to me
20:00<@caker>rb: I do enjoy laphroaig immensely. It's too good. That's about the only "real" whiskey I've given any attention, however
20:00*caker is about to have some for realz
20:00<rb>Nova: I'm not the one saying there aren't hotter ... YOU are the one that's saying 100-35K scoville's ain't hot.
20:01<G>caker: so whats this about Linode 'liking' Jack Daniels? :P
20:01*Nova will be having jack daniels in about five hours
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20:03<@caker>G: I'm afraid to ask
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20:03<@caker>I used to live in Nashville - about 50 miles from Lynchburg where the JD distillery is .. which is a beautiful place to visit
20:03<@caker>but, I have since seen the light
20:03<rb>caker: if you like Laphroaig -- ever had a Caol Ila single malt (not their blended). Similar smokiness, tho not as dark, or bog-in-the-back-of your-throat-ishness ? Highly recommended. (/me, atm, is sipping a Aberlour sherry-cask '76 ...)
20:04*jed helps himself to caker's laphroaig
20:04<rb>a gaggle of scotch drinkers! excellent!
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20:04<@caker>rb: noted! thanks
20:05<@caker>a nice whiskey and a nice cigar is hard to beat
20:05<tjfontaine>with a stick
20:06*rb doesn't like stick. get caught in the teeth ....
20:06<rb>caker: does HE let you into the cages with the cigar?
20:06<Nova>caker: when is linode gonna do a customer appreciation day?
20:07<@caker>rb: i'd guess HE requires some level of intoxication before entering the premises
20:07<@caker>Nova: right now!
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20:07<rb>here comes the price increase ...
20:08*caker increases pricese by $0.00000000000000001
20:08<MJCS>per bit
20:09<mwalling>through a math error, prices are increased by value^-1
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20:09<rb>mwalling: still Fortran-ing in Matlab, ain't ya?
20:11<rb>back to the kitchen. who needs depth perception anyway. hagw!
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20:13*Nova wishes Caker would actually increase the prices across the board
20:13<Nova>use the money to expand to more DC's
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20:15<Internat>i dont think caker should fuck with his existing working business plan ;)
20:15<Internat>i quite like the existing prices!!!
20:16<mdcollins>Nova, I don't think caker is doing too bad. Just think, how much is a dedicated server and then do math..
20:16<mdcollins>$20 x 40
20:16<@jed>Happy Linode customer appreciation day!
20:16<@jed>Have some of my stress.
20:16*jed hands it over
20:16<mdcollins>Where's the liquor?
20:17<mdcollins>I'm celebrating damnit!
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20:18<DephNet[Paul]>I have been with linode the longest of any host in my entire hosting life
20:18-!-cats [] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:18<DephNet[Paul]>because they are doing VPSes right :P
20:18<G>caker: when is the NZ Datacentre? :P
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20:19<Internat>AU first :P
20:19<AreLam>I has kernel panic on my node? :o
20:19<DephNet[Paul]>G, it took 7 years to get to the UK, about 4000 miles from Linode HQ, so give it about 20 years or so
20:19<G>Internat: nah, no censorship in NZ
20:20<G>errr filtering
20:20<Internat>no decent internet links in nz :P
20:20<G>Internat: errr SouthernCross is pretty decent
20:20<Internat>dont most of NZ's links come via au
20:20<AreLam>"Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." waaaat....
20:20<G>Internat: NZ has one of the major links to the US that AU uses
20:21<G>Southern Cross Cable
20:21<G>Internat: plus we are putting in a second link 'soon'
20:22<mdcollins>'soon' is scary..
20:22<spkitty>yeah Internat it's the other way around
20:22<mdcollins>Cause, I mean, what scale of soon are we using? Within a year, 5 years, 10?
20:23<G>Internat: yep, Southern Cross has a fairly good sure of your US traffic does it not?
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20:24<G>51% (iirc) owned by Telecom NZ
20:24<Internat>only one of our links apears to go via NZ
20:24<BarkerJr>I could never afford the bandwidth :P
20:24<G>Internat: but it's NZ cable
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20:25<Internat>im not sure what that has todo with nz being a good place for a datacentre :P
20:25<G>Internat: the AU->Samoa link is 50% owned by NZ Telecom too
20:25<Internat>my previous point still stands :)
20:25<G>because NZ is going to have pretty good international backhaul at last :)
20:26<AreLam>my root device was set to read only o__O
20:26<Internat>while i dont know how accurate wikipedia is.. that would appear that we have substancial more interwebs linsk
20:26<Internat>especially with PPC-1 now..
20:26*praetorian sends a ship to drop anchor on all those cables
20:27<Internat>wasnt funny when that happened last time :/
20:27*AreLam waits two minute for shutdown of node
20:27<G>Internat: of course, if you don't don't the Southern Cross Cable going through NZ. I can put a spade through the AU<->NZ part
20:27<Internat>knock yourself out
20:28<G>lasttime that happened iirc iiNet had trouble for days
20:28<BarkerJr>previous point: lie down! good boy
20:28<Internat>as i said, thats only one link :)
20:28<G>Internat: but see, Conroy is a good reason not to do Linode in Australia :)
20:29<BarkerJr>didn't the entire internet in AU go down with one link a few years ago?
20:29<Internat>BarkerJr: yeah.. lots of things have been done to fix that now :)
20:29<praetorian>(psst, if you were to cut the SCC you wouldnt stop us really
20:29<mdcollins>One link is like saying backups are for wussies.
20:29<praetorian>we are multihomed :P)
20:30<AreLam>"System Shutdown completed." "There is no screen to be attached matching linode. Your Linode isn't running, or another console session is already active."
20:30<BarkerJr>is linode multihomed? I think not
20:30<G>praetorian: did iiNet finally wise up?
20:30<praetorian>well we are multihomed just with scc
20:30<AreLam>gaaaaahh "Linode failed to boot for unknown reason."
20:31<BarkerJr>if at first it doesn't boot, try try again
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20:32<BarkerJr>see, I want an anycast IP in linode
20:32<Nova>me too
20:32<BarkerJr>then I'll have an anycast 6to4 tunnel
20:32*Nova wants white label ip's
20:33<AreLam>"Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.
20:33<AreLam>Pid: 1, comm: swapper Not tainted #1"
20:33<BarkerJr>I doubt anyone has an anycast 6to4 :)
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20:33<@jed>AreLam: root device in your profile isn't bootable
20:34*Nova would pay $20 per IP if they were white label
20:34<@jed>insert linode username, receive advice ----> [ ]
20:34<Keith>I wonder how reliable the MailScanner virus-checking software is to run on a Linode?
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20:34<AreLam>"arelam" :P
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20:35<@jed>you're booted, it appears
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20:35<mdcollins>Aww, I was hoping it was like a fortune cookie type thing..
20:35<AreLam>well, looking at the server from lish tells me it kernel panicked
20:36<@jed>AreLam: mind if I drive for a second?
20:37<G>jed is obviously a backseat driver
20:37<praetorian>don't crash
20:37<AreLam>jed: sure, as long as you don't crash into something
20:38<BarkerJr>put it in D, not R :)
20:38<sblaydes>don't hit a firewall
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20:38<Keith>Yeah-a firewall will burn. ;)
20:39*Nova wishes Linode DNS Manager had the capabilities of
20:39<mdcollins>Lol, someone just sent me the password reset form..
20:39<mdcollins>8 times.
20:40<mdcollins>my password is strong.
20:40<BarkerJr>that's cause they're sniffing the network traffic
20:40*mdcollins wonders if they tried to login first.
20:41<@jed>Nova: what capacbilities, specifically?
20:41<@jed>AreLam: investigaterating - did you deploy this debian from our distros?
20:41<BarkerJr>jed: free domain hosting :)
20:41<AreLam>jed: Yup
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20:43<Nova>jed: ummm I cant begin.... but has more features than any other dns management system out there
20:43<AreLam>jed: can't say I ever went into changing the kernel before.. but suddenly my normal SSH just froze as I tried to fix some stuff on the mailserver
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20:43<@jed>Nova: what specific features from would you like in our DNS system?
20:43<Keith>Maybe SSH ran out of RAM? No idea.
20:43<@jed>AreLam: hm, not a problem with the filesystem
20:44<BarkerJr>what I would like is is if dns manager automatically removed A-records from pools when they become unpingable, and adding them back as they become pingable again
20:45<AreLam>jed: if it matters, I had just been trying the new linode manager
20:45<@jed>AreLam: it may
20:45<@jed>I doubt it, though
20:46<AreLam>jed: not that I changed anything, but I went to the old one without changing anything
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20:47<G>Nova: why not just setup bind on your node and setup linode as slaves?
20:48<BarkerJr>G: that's what I do
20:48<@jed>AreLam: I'm escalating this one, this is bizarre
20:48<G>BarkerJr: ditto
20:48<@jed>something isn't right here...sec, opening a ticket
20:49<BarkerJr>I setup DNS on linodes in three data centers and slave to 5 linode nameservers, and my domain registrar's name servers as well
20:49<Nova>Jed: Free subdomain hosting, free domain hosting, free backup dns, reverse IPv6 DNS hosting (forward/reverse), Robust support for CNAME, A, AAAA, MX, NS, TXT, LOC, RP, HINFO, SRV records, Name Server Branding, Oh and Instant Updates
20:49<BarkerJr>that gives me 9 name servers :)
20:49<@jed>free subdomain hosting: we don't allow you to subdomain domains that don't belong to you, and never will
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20:50<@jed>free domain hosting: we already have this with a Linode account
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20:50<@jed>free backup dns: define "backup", we have five nameservers in five facilities
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20:50<@jed>reverse IPv6 DNS hosting: I host reverse IPv6 in the Linode Manager
20:50<@jed>CNAME/A/AAA/MX/NS/TXT: supported in the Linode Manager for master domains
20:50<G>*cough* BUZZWORDS *cough*
20:50<AreLam>jed: yeah.. I wonder what on earth is the cause. editing postfix configs aren't exactly going to cause kernel panic :/
20:50<@jed>yep, you can have AAAA records
20:50<@jed>the rest of your records: will be AXFR'd in when you slave from your own DNS server
20:51<Nova>Name Server Branding?
20:51<@jed>name server branding: create glue in your domain pointing to the IPs of ours at your own risk
20:51<Nova>Instant Updates?
20:51<BarkerJr>linode name servers support NOTIFY
20:51<G>Nova: use the slave AXFR feature
20:51<@jed>slave domains are AXFR'd as soon as you NOTIFY
20:51<@jed>we're better than because we stay up when we get DDoS'd
20:51<@jed>yawn, next
20:52<Nova> stays up and has been around how many years longer than linode?
20:52<Nivex_>jed: now all you need is IPv6 support ;)
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20:52<@jed>Nova: went down within the last two months for several hours
20:52<AreLam>jed: did you open a ticket or are you helping others instead of me? LP
20:52<@jed>AreLam: escalating right now
20:53<@jed>AreLam: pinged somebody and didn't notice he was around, and got sucked into Nova's argument
20:55<BarkerJr>you were lucky it wasn't a supernova, cause they really suck
20:59<BarkerJr>what I have is a php script that runs on my dns servers every 15 minutes and pings every other server and regenerates the zone files every time the servers responding to pings changes
20:59*AreLam wonders what jed is doing behind the scenes
21:01<@jed>AreLam: not wtaching your console? :)
21:01<BarkerJr>then I set a TTL of 15 minutes on the records that might change
21:01<AreLam>jed: All I see is restarting :P
21:01<@jed>AreLam: we're diagnosing on your console, and we're pretty sure we know the issue
21:01<@jed>getting to the 'why' part atm
21:02<@jed>AreLam: alright, long and short of it - you don't have a /lib
21:03<@jed>we can't find why, but your /lib is gone and so nothing in your distribution can load - I fsck'd your filesystem on the host and it was clean, we checked /root/.bash_history to see if someone removed it and they didn't, and there's no entries in /lost+found
21:03<@jed>so, we're not sure why your /lib is gone
21:03<Nova>jed: what version of Xen does linode use?
21:03<@jed>however, when linux passes off to /sbin/init on your filesystem, it can't load because there's no shared libraries for it to load from, which is why linux fails the way it does for you
21:03<@caker>well, .bash_history only shows the last session that wrote to it
21:04<@jed>yeah, could have been done from sh
21:04<AreLam>jed: you know... I think I know why now. I MAY have managed to move it without noticing.
21:04<HoopyCat>colonel mustard was in /lib with a candlestick
21:04<@jed>do you know where to?
21:04<@jed>if you moved it somewhere I might be able to restore it
21:04<AreLam>jed: not that I meant to do it, but it should be in the top root folders
21:04<@caker>if you have to ssh root sessions open, only one of the session's history entries will be saved (or something like that)
21:05<@jed>caker: they write on exit, I think
21:05<@jed>or something
21:05<@caker>jed: yeah, but I've had one stomp the other
21:05*caker tries
21:05<@jed>sh is how I tiptoe around a system unnoticed
21:05<@jed>AreLam: looking now
21:05<AreLam>jed: So I can see ^^
21:06<@jed>it's in /srv/lib
21:06<HoopyCat>worse comes to worse, should be able to do a find for ^libc.*\.so$ or something
21:06<@jed>HoopyCat: yeah, did find . -name
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21:06<@jed>AreLam: this should work
21:07<mdcollins>Argh, I'm supposed to be off work but I'm stuck on a call..
21:07<@jed>we're cookin' with gas, now
21:07<AreLam>jed: thank you so much
21:07<@jed>bam - init scripts
21:07<@jed>that will be: $149.85
21:07<@jed>;) np
21:07<@jed>thank caker, he pointed me down the right path
21:08<mdcollins>Btw, does anyone know why my irc client keeps asking for my password?
21:08<mdcollins>It's starting to get annoying.
21:08<@jed>AreLam: you're up and running, and you should be able to SSH
21:08*AreLam would have hugged caker to thank
21:09<AreLam>jed: it's all working now :D
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21:09<HoopyCat>mdcollins: got back from dinner, checked my mail, and a client for whom i set up an nginx front-end proxy reported that everything crapped out when they added a bunch of new domains via virtualmin. that'll teach me to check my mail
21:09<AreLam>jed: except, I get a 503 on the website hosted :P
21:09<@jed>well, I'm not fixing that ;)
21:10<Keith>Maybe an MySQL error or something. :)
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21:11<AreLam>I wonder why varnish suddenly kicks in with the 503... I haven't been able to make it work before :P
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21:12<G>mdcollins: are you connecting to OFTC via SSL?
21:12<G>could be the SSLFP password
21:12<G>for your cert
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21:12<AreLam>hmm.. maybe I did manage to get varnish working at some point without noticing :o
21:13<twoshedsjackson>I love deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they go by
21:13<A-KO>I despise "golden boys" at work...
21:14<A-KO>I'm having a pow wow with the boss this week
21:14<A-KO>'cause Mr. Golden Boy is overstepping his bounds :P
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21:17<Nova>ClamAV is taking forever to compile
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21:20<maushu>A-KO, wat.
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21:21<A-KO>You ever have that guy who kisses so much ass to make himself look good?
21:21<A-KO>I've got a guy that's kissing so much ass to make himself look good, and working out a way to make me look bad.
21:21<maushu>Fortunately, now.
21:21<A-KO>He's trying damn hard to make me look bad
21:21<A-KO>And it's a lot harder to do to me, because I actually know what I'm doing
21:21<A-KO>unlike others he's done this to in the past
21:21<A-KO>on top of that
21:21<A-KO>I'm outspoken about it
21:22<maushu>Kick is ass!
21:22<A-KO>so while I e-mailed him the other week asking him to chill out
21:22<A-KO>now I'm tkaing it to the boss
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21:22<HoopyCat>TO THE BOSS
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21:22<maushu>Demand a pokémon battle!
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21:22<linbot>maushu: 233
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21:23<maushu>...? I'm... confused?
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21:23<linbot>maushu: 239
21:23<maushu>Now I'm more confused. ;_;
21:23<Nivex>Oh my god, you broke linbot! You bastard!
21:24<maushu>I didn't mean to!
21:24<G>caker: btw, IPv6 compatible linode manager would rock :P
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21:25<maushu>caker, moar ajax in the new linode manager!
21:25<AreLam>and some CSS3 :P
21:25<maushu>The first thing that came to mind when I saw it was: web 2.0
21:26<maushu>Seriously, the design looks like it is a runaway from a web 2.0 prison.
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21:30<Nova>Why Migrate to cPanel?
21:30<Nova>* Eliminate legacy hardware and software in your data center!
21:30<Nova>* Increase functionality of your automation platform
21:30<Nova>* Reduce customer churn by increasing stability
21:30<Nova>* Introduce new features and functionality to your customers
21:31<@caker>maushu: ? can you elaborate?
21:31<maushu>caker, the web 2.0 or the ajax?
21:31<@caker>the runaway comment
21:32<HoopyCat>* Standardize on CentOS, an enterprise-grade distribution for those without an enterprise-grade budget
21:32<HoopyCat>* Never edit configuration files again!
21:32<maushu>Well, the new linode manager shows lots of hints related to the "web 2.0 sites". Generally: A base color theme, lots of white space and big letters.
21:33<maushu>It's not a bad thing, it's just something I mentioned.
21:33<maushu>*and noticed.
21:34<maushu>I just need to get used to it. I was used to the web 1.5 manager with lots of data, now it feels more empty. :)
21:35<HoopyCat>turns out that most of that data just confuses the shit out of people :-)
21:35<maushu>Depends on the person.
21:35<HoopyCat>(and it's all still there in some form or another, i believe)
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21:37<checkers>where is this new panel?
21:37<HoopyCat>maushu: the Remote Access tab makes me happy, at least
21:38<maushu>And is that a gravatar thingy next to our username?
21:38<AreLam>it sure is
21:38<maushu>For the love of all that is holy, why?
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21:39<@caker>maushu: as I mentioned earlier, imma going to condense the dashboard quite a bit in a future release. I just needed to ship the damn thing before I tweaked it for eternity
21:39<maushu>Great. \o/
21:40<HoopyCat>maushu: "click on your face" >> "click on 'my profile' in the upper right"
21:40<Keith>Caker: Do you intend to keep accessibility built into your control panel? I.e. Labeling your form feeleds properly and not just things like "checkbox" Or "exdit box"
21:40<checkers>seems alright
21:40<Keith>er edit box
21:40<Keith>At the moment, for instance, with a screen reading app, if I log in, I see stuff like "username:" and such. That's what I mean by lables.
21:41<checkers>it would be nice for the reboot/shutdown buttons to not depend on javascript existing for getting double confirmation
21:41<Keith>That would be nice a one click deal.
21:41<@caker>Keith: yes. On the right of the members's login page is a link to the new manager. Check it out and lemme know how it reads
21:42<maushu>checkers, how would that work without javascript?
21:42<Keith>Let me check it now.
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21:42<checkers>maushu: it submits to a new page
21:43<maushu>Seems too much work.
21:43<maushu>You will have javascript active AND YOU WILL LIKE IT.
21:43<HoopyCat>for what it's worth, it does work in lynx
21:43<HoopyCat>(the entire site, not specifically that function tho)
21:44<maushu>Wat. Tables?
21:44*maushu checks source.
21:45<HoopyCat><table><tr><td><marquee><font face="Comic Sans MS">SIGN OUR <blink>NEW</blink> GUESTBOOK</font></marquee></td></tr></table>
21:45<HoopyCat>caker: i lol'd
21:45<twoshedsjackson>HoopyCat: NOOOOO!
21:45<Keith>Caker: This is interesting. Right now, if I use my Windows screen reader to acces the "switch to Linode manager data?" link, and it actually reads it that way, I see stuff like "Linode Manager Username:" edit. And: "Linode Manager Password:" edit.
21:45<Keith>So that's th lable fort those current edit boxes.
21:46<maushu>caker, well, excuse me! The same thing would happen if you limit the width of the table.
21:46<Keith>Hold on a sec
21:46<HoopyCat>maushu: no, then TABLE would be AWESC
21:46<maushu>overflow: hidden
21:47<@caker>maushu: just messin. I don't really care one way or the other. CSS is totally amazing, imo. but divs and whatnot can just be a total PITA for certain things .. shrug
21:47<@caker>and for what benefit? you didn't even realize until I told you :)
21:47<Keith>This is pretty nice, I like this Caker: for instance, This Month's Network Transfer Pool is a heading at level 4, and below that,
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21:48<maushu>The only thing evil in css are floats and center alignment.
21:48<Keith>1% Used 99 percent remaining
21:48<Keith>and so on
21:48<Keith>I like that.
21:48<maushu>caker, true, but css would be faster at loading. Less bytes clogging the tubes, faster response, etc etc
21:49<Keith>Don't overwelm our webmaster. :)
21:49*atourino clogs urmom's tubes
21:49<@caker>maushu: I would argue 5 nested divs is just as verbose as a single table with rows and cells
21:49<maushu>If you nested 5 divs then you are perhaps doing something wrong.
21:49<Keith>Caker: Will we have to do any rebooting fo our nodes to take advantage of the new system once you offically release it? Or will that just be a user interface change that we notice.
21:49<maushu>Well, depends on the context.
21:50<@caker>go to any modern site (twitter?) and view source. It's in there.
21:50<maushu>Keith, no, this seems to be only interface related.
21:50<atourino>tables are for tabular data
21:50<AreLam>Straaaange.... I was wondering why I got 503 on varnish... "Restarting web server: apache2 failed!
21:50*atourino tabulates
21:50<@caker>Keith: nope. No rebooting.
21:50<maushu>atourino, don't use the ultimate weapon like that!
21:51<maushu>We should only use that when defeat is at hand.
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21:51*atourino is not partisan
21:51<Keith>Caker: What edoes the rebuild link do?
21:51<atourino>or a paisan for that matter
21:51<Keith>That must be a new feature.
21:51*atourino is pragmatic
21:51<@caker>Keith: deletes all data in your Linode and redeploys.
21:52<atourino>or programatic
21:52*Keith gasps..Do you get a confirmation or something? I nearly clicked that..*shutters*
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21:52<atourino>but not dogmatic
21:52<@caker>Keith: there's a javascript confirmation box
21:52*atourino is automatic
21:52<Keith>Good thing I didn't click that then, otherwise there'd go my hard work and over 66 hours of configuration.
21:52*atourino deletes ur data, redeploys, and standbys
21:52<Keith>er make that more like 2 days plus
21:53*Keith growls, and causes Caker to rebuild atourino's Linode, along with all of his/her nodes/servers. :)
21:54<Nova>caker: How do you feel about being the provider for ?
21:54<atourino>what? me having a linode? pffft... no chance with the admins they got there... I just come in here for the lols
21:55<Keith>Caker: Better design on the host jobs stuff. I hated that ugly thing you had where there was messages about host start and so on.
21:56*Keith is liking the new look or rhater..the new read.
21:56<atourino>New Linode Manager: Blind user approved!
21:58*atourino is in such a goofy mood tonight...
21:58<atourino>and I haven't even had a beer
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21:59<hobot>goof troop
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21:59<maushu>Nova, linode's servers are powered only with belief.
21:59<atourino>... and mikegrb's pedalling
21:59<maushu>I thought it was jed.
21:59<straterra>and xeons
22:00<atourino>jed's too lazy
22:00<A-KO>does anyone know of a good windows admin channel?
22:00<A-KO>not freenode
22:00<A-KO>they're too nazi
22:00<straterra>i do..on freenode
22:00<A-KO>I was there
22:00<A-KO>and left
22:00<A-KO>the ops there are nazi bastards :P
22:01<A-KO>I spent a ton of time there helping and when I said fuck or something one of the ops went apeshit on me
22:01<A-KO>so I was like fine w/e, later.
22:02<A-KO>I'm faced with an interesting yet difficult to solve problem
22:02<A-KO>actually, it's probably pretty easy but only when leveraging some newer technologies that we *haven't deployed*
22:03*atourino stops, collaborates, and listens
22:03*atourino leverages
22:03<A-KO>I've thought of a number of ways of doing it, and many of them seem to me like kind of hack jobs--and I could definitely throw something together, and probably do this rather fantastically over a number of ways.
22:04<A-KO>But it still seems hackish :P
22:04<A-KO>So essentially, we've got a problem
22:04<A-KO>imagine a network, say, 900 remote sites
22:04<A-KO>connected with varying connections, from 1.5Mbps (T1) up to say, 50Mbps (local verizon FIOS/cable)
22:04<A-KO>and everywhere in between
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22:05<A-KO>and at each site, you're going to put about....I dunno, say, 1 server (file server, domain controller, application server, etc.), and around 50+ clients
22:05<A-KO>a majority of those clients are wirelessly connected (802.11N, 5Ghz)
22:05<A-KO>and you need to push say
22:05<A-KO>2-3GB out to all of them
22:05<A-KO>that number can vary of course
22:05<A-KO>some days might be a few hundred MB, others can be a few GB
22:07<A-KO>So in a perfect world, I would have something like the following setup: All systems involved running 2008R2/Win7, in a domain environment. I would turn on branch caching in hosted mode on each of the 900 servers, and then turn on branch caching on all the clients.
22:07<A-KO>I'd seed the server by scripting a URL request back to the corporate HQ, which would download the files ; and then when the clients try that same URL, they download locally instead
22:07<G>do I have someone on ignore or was that just the mother of all monologues?
22:07<A-KO>I'm explaining :P
22:07<A-KO>to reduce bandwidth from client -> server, I'd have them leverage BITS
22:08<A-KO>so that way you don't have 50 wifi devices destroying the wifi network
22:08<A-KO>client -> Remote Server = BITS ; Remote Server -> Corporate Server (IIS) Branch cache
22:08<A-KO>seems reasonable, right?
22:08<A-KO>Unfortunately, perfect worlds don't exist :P
22:10<A-KO>so another method I've considered was actually having a torrent tracker in the DMZ, along with an RSS feed update, and a seeding box. And install torrent clients on the remote servers, which would then leverage the outside connection (not the VPN) and start distributing content that way.
22:10<A-KO>publish a torrent, update the RSS, systems download and start sharing the content
22:10<A-KO>enable encryption, should be reasonably secure (it's not any sort of customer records or anything, just some content for some applications)
22:11<A-KO>that method seems pretty hackish to me :P
22:11<A-KO>doable, yes.
22:11<A-KO>reasonably priced, certainly.
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22:13*atourino hopes there is a point in there somewhere
22:13*atourino scratches head
22:13<A-KO>just kind of bouncing ideas around :P
22:13<A-KO>since I know there are you know, other nerds in here
22:13<G>atourino: yeah I'm totally lost in all that I want to scream
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22:19<amitz>urmom bounces.
22:26<amitz>Daevien: I had this little pang of regret of dropping my old job a little tiny bit. -_-
22:26<atourino>A-KO: fwiw... I think BT is a good idea and not at all hackish
22:27<amitz>but neighbor's (or other's) grass is always greener so... I guess I must look forward :-p
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22:50<Keith>I was curious if any of you have successfully used the MailScanner software under Ubuntu10.04? I'm receiving the oddest error in mail.log. It cannot complete checking my messages-so no delivery will happen.
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22:50<Keith>And it refferences a file in /usr/share/MailScanner/MailScanner that is a pm extnetion. ANyhow, mail.log reports:
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22:51<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
22:51<Keith>File checker failed with real error: Insecure dependency in exec while running with -T switch at /usr/share/MailScanner//MailScanner/ line 374
22:51<Keith>I'm curious how to resolv that message? Googling does not turn up an answer that seems to be valid.
22:52<Keith>I'll send that pm file's contents to
22:52<Keith>And maybe one of you can tel me what's going on.
23:00<Keith>Due to some keyboared accessibility issues I decided to show you folks the pm file itself. I don't know what's being triggered as an insecure dependency, but there you are.
23:00<G>well I solved my audio problems.... :P
23:01<Keith>I'm not sure what makes the file checker hit that one line I mentioned in my logs, but it kills the entire MailScanner deamon.
23:02<Keith>Then I have to /etc/init.d/MailScanner restart, but as soon as it hits that line in the /usr/Share/MailScanner/MailScanner/ file, it dies with the insecure dependency error.
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23:02<G>Solver: so how are you today?
23:02<Solver>not too bad... very tired and about to crash out asleep :)
23:02<Solver>and you? :)
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23:05<Keith>Anything in the pm file that looks like an insecure dependency?
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23:12<linbot>New news from forums: Request: Linode 256 Micro in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
23:12<G>Solver: good just had a big storm here
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23:50<amitz>Solver: which you survive!
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23:52<ttaylor>Keith: what version of MailScanner are you running?
23:53<amitz>sorry, s/Solver/G/
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