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---Logopened Wed Oct 20 00:00:57 2010
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00:04<Ovron> heh
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00:14<linbot>jed: Point (0.0196922971, 0.6119926338) is within the circle. Running total: 494/639 (pi is about 3.0923317684)
00:14<encode>Why wasn't octal 6 afraid of 7? Because 7 10 11! <-- made me laugh
00:16<zivester_>whats a typical server uptime for your sites on linode ?
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00:17<bob2>however long it has been since the last kernel security issue
00:17<bob2>it is very rare for linode to reboot your guest
00:17<zivester_>so basically set it and forget it ? until a manual reboot
00:17<encode>what bob2 said, except also limited by the amount of time since linode gave away free stuff and I had to reboot to take advantage of it
00:18<bob2>oh, that too
00:18<bob2>I rebooted for moar ram
00:18<encode>it happens more often than you might think. See /topic
00:18<encode>it used to be that was the only reason I rebooted. Moar ram / disk
00:18<ohkus>native ipv6
00:19<zivester_>so basically coming from bluehost [eek] where they seem to reboot my server daily... i dont have to worry about because ill rarely ever see it down
00:19<encode>fwiw, my uptime is currently 125 days
00:19<encode>which would coincide with linode's ram giveaway
00:19<encode>zivester_: correct.
00:19<Ovron> om nom nom
00:20<zivester_>a webserver that stays up all the time... moving a client to linode in 10 days... i hope its all bliss and no headaches :)
00:20<encode>in fact, in the six years that I've been a customer of linode, my vps has only ever rebooted at my behest
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00:21<hobot>yeah I think there was one move I had to do but they gave me 48 hours to reboot at my leisure
00:21<hobot>also I have Fd mine up a few times but again, my fault
00:23<zivester_>anyone here use an ubuntu vps?
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00:23<mwalling>lots of us do
00:23<mwalling>48% of deployments are Ubuntu
00:24<hobot>I do
00:24<zivester_>never used a headless ubuntu... how are updates different then a desktop version... im guessing people dont update to every new kernel ?
00:24<karstensrage>mwalling, are there are stats like that?
00:24<karstensrage>are there other
00:24<mwalling>zivester_: kernels are provided by linode, not the distro
00:25<karstensrage>im only in the 4.3%
00:25<zivester_>confused... if i get an ubuntu 10.10 image up and running... and I do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade... won't I get a new kernel every couple weeks like I do on my gnome box ?
00:25<bob2>linode kernels are outside the vps
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00:26<zivester_>maybe I dont quite understand a VPS... :( now im worried
00:27<zivester_>i thought it would be identical to my ubuntu box through SSH
00:27<encode>it is more or less identical, in the userland space
00:27<bob2>it is in basically all ways but this
00:27<encode>but kernel mode is special
00:27<mwalling>zivester_: you know what grub is?
00:27<mwalling>linode handles grub and the kernel for you magicly
00:28<zivester_>all VPS do that ?
00:28<mwalling>zivester_: linode is awesome
00:28<superevr>I followed the directions on the linode website for apache setup, and now apache won't load
00:28<Ovron>what error does it give? check the log.
00:29<superevr>which log is it? ErrorLog or CustomLog?
00:29<superevr>because it didn't create either of those
00:29<zivester_>check permissions
00:29<Ovron>try: apache2ctl -t
00:29<bob2>zivester_: most don't give you the option to run your own kernel, and instead just make you use theirs
00:30<bob2>zivester_: linode, with some fiddling, lets you provide your own (but it's probably not worth it)
00:30<Ovron>superevr: it will check config files for syntax errors
00:30<superevr>Syntax OK
00:30<Ovron>what distro are you on?
00:30<bob2>oh, and worse, most other providers are terrible about updating kernels when vulns are found
00:30<zivester_>ya i dont care to run my own kernel... just wondering how updates/security fixes get administered?
00:30<superevr>I followed the guide on
00:30<Ovron>what happens if you do /etc/init.d/apache2 start
00:31<superevr>"Action 'start' failed." \ "The Apache error log may have more information." \ "!"
00:31<bob2>zivester_: linode updates them fairly quickly, you just need to reboot
00:31<Ovron>do you not have a /var/log/apache2/error.log?
00:31<zivester_>so updates are automatically administered?
00:32<bob2>zivester_: kernel updates (only) are handled by linode
00:32<zivester_>and from what you all are saying... since u never reboot, is that there are rarely kernel updates ?
00:32<bob2>no, I'm just silly
00:33<superevr>damn typos
00:33<zivester_>lol... well I'm trying to be a good sysadmin... and I'd rather not have a site that is at a security risk... so just trying to put together some best practices for myself :-/
00:34<superevr>Ovron: looks like I made a typo in sites-available and set the path to "log" instead of "logs"
00:35<superevr>I'm surprised it refused to run because it couldn't get to the log file
00:35<zivester_>I guess I just need to get a linode and start playing around.. maybe I'll get it tomorrow and charge the client for October too
00:35<Ovron>You configured it wrong, of course it didn't want to run ;)
00:35<bob2>zivester_: pro-rataed, so you only pay for the next 11 days if you get it today
00:35<bob2>when is magic cut off day? 23rd?
00:35<superevr>configured the log path wrong. everything else was OK
00:35<superevr>I'm back up now! thanks
00:36<Ovron>bob2: what magic cut off day?
00:36<bob2>when you go from 'billed for rest of month' to 'billed for rest of month + next month'
00:36<Ovron>oh, didn't know that was the case.
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00:37<zivester_>so all linodes are on a month 1 to end of month billing cycle? i just assumed it was when u signed up
00:37<zivester_>month day 1*
00:37<bob2>everyone gets invoiced on the 1st
00:38<zivester_>i learn like 10 new things about linode everyday and I dont even have one yet... lol
00:40<zivester_>tx all, g2g get some sleep.. gotta wakeup at 10am for my day job
00:40<superevr>now to figure out how to disable directory indexing
00:41<Ovron>superevr: remove Options Indexes in default settings, or add Options -Indexes in the <Directory> or <Location> you want to do it for.
00:41<superevr>which file is that?
00:42<superevr>The sites-enabled file?
00:42<Ovron>vhost configurations.
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00:43<superevr>ah, so each file i put in sites-available is it's own apache configuration file
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00:45<Ovron>It is the cleanest way, yes. You can then use a2ensite and a2dissite to enable/disable.
00:48<superevr>hmm I do not see where it is actually being enabled, and I don't want to do it per directory
00:49<superevr>ohh i guess it will override if I do it for the root
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01:12<leifkb>Anyone else unable to reach anything in Newark? ( is the last IP in the traceroute before it fails)
01:13<Ovron> is responsive for me.
01:14<nick125>I'm SSHed into Newark
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01:15<leifkb>Hm. Something must just be broken between Comcast in Portland and Newark. :-/
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01:18*tonyyarusso is typing from Newark as well
01:18<tonyyarusso>leifkb: try mtr to diagnose
01:20<leifkb>Oh, hey, it's working again. :)
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02:08<linbot>dcraig: Yo momma's so fat they mistook her for the ninth planet! (723:2/1) [mmoru]
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02:10<hobot>you mean moon
02:11<hobot>or whatever it is now
02:11<hobot>is this a minecrap
02:12<marius>It's a MC map, yes xD
02:12<marius>in google maps format :D
02:12<hobot>thats a cool way to navigate it
02:12<marius>My poor windows machine stood rendering that shit for 13 hours
02:12<hobot>im going to show my minecraft friend
02:12<marius>It's got the best quality output of the map as well that I've seen so far
02:12<marius>I am strangely addicted to it, can't stop playing =(
02:13<Ovron>autism simulator
02:15<Talman>I just got done playing MC.
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02:17<marius>Haha, form last night?
02:18<Fersure>How many people does Linode employ?
02:18<thegodlikehobo>two weeks
02:19<marius>It employs two weeks?
02:19<marius>Fersure: I think that's a closely kept secret
02:19<marius>But at least 13 people!
02:20<Fersure>No, I'm being serious.
02:20<Fersure>I'm writing about Linode in my assignment.
02:24<Fersure>I couldn't think of another LLC, so... Linode to the rescue
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02:30<dcraig>how do I switch to satellite view?
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02:34<hobot>he counted the ops
02:35<marius>yup xD
02:35<hobot>well manta doesnt know linode very well
02:36<marius>dcraig: Good question, I'm stil lookoing for streetview xD
02:36<dcraig>half those ops are robots
02:38<Fersure>Perihelion: Are you here? D:
02:39<marius>She would be sleeping
02:39<marius>should be at least
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02:40<Fersure>Damn timezones.
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02:42<marius>Hmm, my python2.6 install didn't go too well it seems
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02:45<marius>-bash: python2.6: command not found
02:45<marius>yeah, didn't go well at all
02:46<marius>using whereis I can find it's files though...
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02:51<marius>node->node transfer at 5MB7sec and counting, not bad ^-^
02:51<marius>For an overseas transfer :D
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02:55<G>haha this is brilliant, switched ISPs, my connection is now going through my new ISP, but I have to use my old ISPs login details
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02:55<marius>Good job?
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02:59<G>marius: I think Telecom only half-did the job :P
02:59<G>marius: just waiting to see who my data goes through :)
02:59<G>(the counting of the data that is)
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03:00<marius>hopefully the cheaper one?
03:02<marius>Anna Chapman is underessing for Maxim :3
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03:26<marius>I think Idid something wrong when setting up php-fastcgi for my nginx =/
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03:27<Ovron>Why's that?
03:28<marius>Because it won't start, I jsut keep getting child exited with: 126
03:29<Ovron>oh :/
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03:30<marius>yeah =/
03:33<marius>Oh well, I can worry about that once the rest is set up ^-¨
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03:50<G>)/win 42
03:50<G>errr self-fail
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03:57<hzin>should I choose 32-bit or 64-bit OS for Ruby on Rails server?
03:57<marius>If yo uahve to ask, you don't need 64 :P
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04:02<Talman>Hmm, I keep consistantly getting 28-30kbps upload speed via SFTP
04:02<Talman>Would that be me or the linode?
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04:10<marius>Talman: I'm gonna go with "node", as I have the same problem from any location I try it
04:10<marius>But I still don't know how to solve it
04:11<Talman>You get capped at 30kbps too?
04:11<marius>but yeah
04:11<marius>yeah, especially since I have a 2MB/sec upload speed in general =/
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04:12<marius>Ok, what've I done wrong since nginx isn't working o_O
04:12<marius>I'm now seeing "unable to connect" messages on the one website I added to it
04:14<Talman>check your logs
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04:16<superevr>which apache config includes are loaded first/override other config includes?
04:18<marius>top to bottom
04:18<marius>first come first serve based on names
04:18<superevr>so the first one overrides any later repeats of the same command, right?
04:19<superevr>Thats what I thought first too
04:19<superevr>but "security" in conf.d was overriding httpd.conf (at the top of the include list)
04:21<marius>hmm, Then I don't know :P
04:22<marius>There are no logs o_O
04:23<marius>oh I ment for my issue :P
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04:26<superevr>seems like httpd.conf is overridden every time
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04:39<marius>Let's play "spot the problem"!
04:39<marius>nginx is running, but there's nothing appearing in neither the nginx default log or the log location specified
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05:14<Cromulent>huzzah well thats the pain of postfix, dovecot and mysql done :)
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05:20<Talman>ANyone familiar with chrootdirectory in openSSH? I'm wondering if it'll jail a user.
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05:24<marius>Talman: it will
05:24<Talman>I just have to provide a working enviornment via simlinks to real stuff like gcc, etc?
05:25<marius>No idea
05:26<marius>I just know it works because someone told me yesterday =P
05:26<marius>when making a symlink, is it the first or 2nd parameter that is the target?
05:26<marius>nvm, figured it out ^-^
05:27<Talman>I can never remember, I think its the second.
05:27<marius>yeah, turned out it was ^-^
05:28<marius>I was thinking "ok, make a symlink, should be "link to <this> from <this>"
05:28<Talman>I'm always afraid I'll overwrite a very important file.
05:28<marius>but no, it's "link <form this> to <thi>"
05:28<marius>yeah, I kno the feeling xD
05:28<marius>I did it wrong the first time, but it wont let you overwrite
05:28<marius>"Creating symlink: target file exists!"
05:36<amitz>marius: you should have known, people are rightist.
05:36<amitz>except when they're leftist.
05:36<marius>amitz: haha, yeah
05:36<marius>So I am almsot done configuring the new node
05:36<marius>amitz: how's your nginx/fastcgi skills?
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05:39<amitz>but i male it up with mu distracting skill. for wxample, urmom. :-P
05:40<marius>I dunno what I'm doing wrong, I decided ot try something new and went wit ha LEMP setup this time instead of the trusted LAMP
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05:43<linbot>New news from forums: Created Linode Status Feedburner with e-mail subscriptions in General Discussion <>
05:44<marius>heh, is the speed you get allocated to yoru node apropriate to the size of your node?
05:44<Friction[2]>which country's laws does linode follow for servers in london?
05:44<marius>Friction[2]: in what relevance?
05:45<Friction[2]>i want to let users know which laws they should be following regarding file uploads
05:45<marius>Technically it has to abive by both US law as it's a US based company, and UK law as it's on british soil
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05:45<marius>basically "no pedobears" should cover it :P
05:45<marius>You should also mention somethign about the uploaders country of residence
05:46<marius>as it may be illegal in their country to provide X in uploads
05:49<marius>I like the fun little law that says she can claim whatever she damn well pleases
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05:51<Friction[2]>claim from who?
05:51<Friction[2]>there is life sentences here
05:52<Friction[2]>the uk
05:53<Friction[2]>there's no king
05:53<marius>Will they change ti again once the big E topples over and a male steps up?
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05:55<Friction[2]>with file hosting is it only illegal when you share the copyrighted files?
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05:56<Friction[2]>it's cheaper on irc
05:57<Friction[2]>seems the law changes in benefit of the copyright holder regarding internet copyrights anyway
05:57<Friction[2]>i'll just assume every grey area is illegal
05:58<marius>Better Safe Then Sorry
05:59<Friction[2]>someone should write a book of law. i don't see the logic in assuming people know the laws
06:00<marius>There are many books
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06:00<Friction[2]>but i mean just simple stuff that fits into a leaflet
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06:01<marius>"If in doubt, presume it to be illegal and avoid at any cost"
06:01<marius>I even made it into a single line
06:02<Friction[2]>but i was watching a programme about car modifications last night, and without knowing half the stuff would be assumed to be fine, but it was illegal. the only way you're gonna know is by trial and error
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06:02<Friction[2]>because it's a file hosting site; that's what happens
06:03<marius>Just og steal the EULA off rapidshare
06:03<marius>problem solved
06:03<marius>grep "Rapidshare ag" with "yourcompany"
06:03<Friction[2]>i did
06:03<Friction[2]>actually megaupload i think
06:03<Friction[2]>i'm just asking for piece of mind
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06:09<spkitty>car modifications in the UK isn't exactly a good basis for an argument about legality
06:10<spkitty>i'm not sure what *isn't* illegal to modify on your car here
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06:12<amitz>Friction[2]: there are enforced laws and there are not-enforced laws. Not-enforced laws are like ammunition for targeting someone for any particular reason.
06:12<Talman>er, what's going on in here?
06:13<amitz>My approach to live is just to lay low. Don't piss random people.
06:13<amitz>and make sure I'm comfortable with the risk of any of my action.
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06:14<Talman>Oh, legality of file uploads. If you think its illegal, DON'T. There's your legal advice.
06:14*amitz descends to the clouds after imparting his wisdom on a tablet.
06:15<Friction[2]>Talman, yes thanks for repeating what i said 2 minutes ago
06:15*Talman has a boilerplate Cease and Desist Order on Google Docs for idiots.
06:15<marius>amitz: descends?
06:15<Talman>I don't even send it to the violator, I send it to the tier 1 datacenter.
06:16<amitz>ah, ascends :-p
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06:16<Talman>Which usually results in the entire box getting pulled for a day.
06:16<Friction[2]>why would you do that?
06:16<marius>Talman: you do what for a living>?
06:16<Talman>I run a company that does web hosting and design, along with some other IT stuff like telcom service contracts.
06:18<Talman>I just looked at a former client's site that I fired, and noticed that their new host removed every element of design we created, and then they copied.
06:18<Talman>SOBs did a wget of our development site.
06:19<Talman>I sent a C&D to The Planet, the owner of the other company sent a letter threatening me, etc. I sent that, and a detailed infringement list to the attorney he hired.
06:19<Talman>The attorney noted that it'd be taken care of.
06:20<Talman>The god damned idiot called the first intellectual property attorney in the phone book. Who happens to be OUR intellectual property attorney.
06:21<marius>Gudtaims, hehe
06:21<Friction[2]>i'm still using a crappy class i stole from someone i used to work with
06:21<Talman>I present to you a lovely website.
06:21<Talman>A crappy class?
06:21<Friction[2]>php class
06:22<marius>that looks horrid
06:22<Friction[2]>we went into an unofficial partnership and then he fobbed me off
06:22<marius>Hahaha, only female employees?
06:22<marius>oh wait, 2 guys
06:22<marius>they must be managers?
06:23<Talman>They're 'barbacks,' they do the heavy lifting.
06:23<marius>some of those women were (pardon my shallowness) butt ugly
06:23<marius>That one perso nhas to be a dude
06:23<Talman>I have a 4,000 image archive of every girl he's ever worked for.
06:23<Talman>I know all their names.
06:23<Talman>Because I had to hand manage those 4000 pictures.
06:23<marius>ok, 2 men dressed as women so far xD
06:24<marius>GROUP PICTURES!
06:24<Talman>His original site was coded in HTML 4.0
06:24<Friction[2]>omfgz lozer
06:24<marius>wordpress with a default theme \o/
06:24<Talman>To alter the girls on the site, which happened weekly (they quit and were rehired every week or two), you had to move 10-40 images on his "staff" pages.
06:24<Talman>We redesigned it using Joomla, that's why this site is in Wordpress.
06:25<marius>joomla >_<
06:25<Talman>I made the guy at phocagallery hate me.
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06:25<Talman>Yes, Joomla. I like my joomlas.
06:25<marius>We've had this discussion before, havne't we ?
06:26<marius>And I don't
06:26<marius>Let's agree to disagree
06:26<marius>cba arguing about that now xD
06:27<marius>must. fix. nginx
06:29<marius>So yeah, nginx gurus: awaken!
06:30<Friction[2]>ergh england is probably the coldest country in the world
06:30<marius>...also the whiniest
06:30<marius>it's not cold
06:30<marius>it's warm in an odd way
06:31<Friction[2]>in my house we don't turn the heating on until we can see our breaths :(
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06:31<marius>you have heating?
06:31<marius>I have tomputers.
06:32<spkitty>pretty sure scotland is colder than england
06:32<marius>Pretty sure norway has yo uboth beat?
06:32<eighty4>the first spam ever on oftc :/ I fear it's going down hill
06:32<amitz>In my house, we never turn on heater ;-)
06:32<spkitty>it was below 0 here this morning when i woke up
06:32<marius>norway's getting snow tonight
06:32<marius>beat that.
06:32<spkitty>frost on the car, so bad that the battery had died and it wouldnt start
06:32<eighty4>marius: we've had snow for days
06:32<marius>SpaceHobo: I'd lvoe to live there tbh
06:33<Friction[2]>yeh but norway is PREPARED for cold
06:33<Friction[2]>some how every year the uk forgets how to deal with cold weather
06:34<Friction[2]>we get 0.5cm of snow and the trains stop, busses stop, we're advised not to use cars
06:34<Friction[2]>we ran out of grit last year
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06:35<eighty4>Friction[2]: last year our trains stoped as well
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06:35<eighty4>Friction[2]: some how they hadent realized it snowes in sweden
06:35<Friction[2]>my council grits AS it's snowing, and the gritter drive like punts and shower cars coming in the opposite direction with grit
06:36<Friction[2]>norwegians drive around in actual blizzards
06:37<amitz>chuck norris walks in actual blizzard.
06:38<Friction[2]>and i think they have special training for it
06:39<Friction[2]>but they don't take time off work when it rains
06:39<Friction[2]>home counties
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06:40<Friction[2]>one or two days? o.O
06:40<Friction[2]>last year we had about a month of snow
06:41<Friction[2]>it was the longest cold snap since records begaaan
06:41<Friction[2]>but i'm not talking about just kent
06:43<marius>I remember last year
06:43<Friction[2]>good for you
06:44<marius>when the Uk was liek "zomg" and sent choppers to save people because the snow was too much
06:44<marius>Gudtaims, they ahd to call in "snow experts" from norwegian universities to help them during the nationa lcrisis
06:44<Friction[2]>it was on the news 24/7
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06:44<marius>SpaceHobo: yes
06:44<Friction[2]>before feb
06:44<marius>My year turns over after the snow ends, I like snow
06:44<Friction[2]>feb is when the snow started to melt
06:44<Friction[2]>or melted actually
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06:45<marius>not here
06:45<marius>we had snot till like april I think
06:45<amitz>the earth will end when it starts snowing here.
06:45<marius>amitz: Hell freezes over once a year in Norway
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06:46<amitz>marius: you should go to the equator sometime.
06:46<marius>I couldn't survive it
06:47<amitz>it's quite funny. People here think it's too hot, people there think it's too cold.
06:48<marius>I struggle during summr in Norway because of the heat
06:48<marius>imagine me at the equator >-<
06:48<Friction[2]>norway has a max of something like 20C
06:49<Friction[2]>20C is summer ruined
06:50*amitz is on 26
06:50<Friction[2]>mine is off :(
06:50<marius>There's a good chart on it somewhere that has like "-30c - Norwegians start getting chilly"
06:51<marius>where is that chart at, I think it was on wikipedia actually
06:52<Friction[2]>when i was in norway once i had 3 inch thick coat and was still freezing my bum off. the locals were walking around in tshirts! i got some funny looks :(
06:52<marius>haha, yeah xD
06:52<marius>I was in the army far north in norway
06:52<Friction[2]>do you know senja?
06:53<marius>It was funny, new recruits came during summer, and as soon as the temp dropped under 10C they started putting on woolen overalls and freezing
06:53<Friction[2]>they do army stuff there i think
06:53<marius>I was still walkign aroudn with my sleeves rolled up
06:53<marius>when the real winter hit (-40 and such) they were accustomed to the heat from the overalls in warm weather so the yfroze even more xD)
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06:54<marius>Never been to Senja
06:54<marius>I was at a place called Kirkenes
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06:55<Friction[2]>that's right at the top 0_0
06:55<marius>we had crazy weather
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06:55<Friction[2]>actually it's not far from tromso, where senja is
06:55<marius>summer was warm adn mutated mosquitos that could bit through any amount of clothes and layers
06:55<marius>autumn, winds that literally lifted people off the ground and tiped cars
06:55<tkoskine>marius: I guess same can be applied to finns also. It was interesting to listen in the bus: "I heard they are predicting cold winter this year. - Yeah, but I hope it will be -30C only, it would be perfect. -50C would be too cold."
06:55<amitz>marius: wat?
06:56<marius>winter, snow so deep you could stack 2 people on top of each other if yo uwanted
06:56<amitz>the mosquito
06:56<Friction[2]>my ex used to say she'd have fights on top of the shed and you could jump off it into 6ft of snow :(
06:56<marius>Friction[2]: sounds about right
06:57<amitz>i don't even sure mosquito can fly in cold.
06:57<marius>The damn mosquitos could bite through berrets, jackets etc
06:57<marius>during the summer it's quite warm
06:57<marius>I don't like summers, because then yo ucan't boil snow for water, so yo uahd to use chlorine mints that yo udropped into muddy water to drink >-<
06:57<Friction[2]>i'd really like to go back to north norway
06:58<marius>I'd like to go back to the army actually
06:58<Friction[2]>so you can pwn n00bs?
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06:58<marius>It was fun, in twinter laugh at the freezing newbies
06:58<Friction[2]>the norwegian army wear funny hats
06:58<marius>during summer, laugh at the newbies swatting and running in circles form mosquitos
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06:59<marius>It was fun showing restraint and not doing the same when just glaring at the mevil-like :D
06:59<marius>Friction[2]: only the navy noobs/royall guards
06:59<marius>I wore a beret.
06:59<marius>like a bawwwwws
06:59<Friction[2]>i mean berets
06:59<marius>our beret looks way better then the US crap :P
06:59<Friction[2]>i saw a lot of them at the airport
07:00<marius>We have some funny rules baout them though
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07:00<marius>You are always to remove your headpiece whe nindoors
07:00<marius>except when the distance between the floor and the roof is more then 3.5 metres, then you may use your own discretion
07:00<amitz>marius: your old twitter pic?
07:00<marius>Any vehicle is to be considered "indoors" as well, with the exception of vehicles driving without a roof
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07:00<marius>amitz: yea
07:00<marius>my beret wasn't the best though
07:00<marius>(you get it flatpacked, yo uahve to shape it etc yoru self)
07:01<marius>and yo udon't get any guidance on how to shape it, haha
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07:01<Friction[2]>i want a beret now :(
07:01<marius>I have mine at home :D
07:01<marius>I got to keep stuff like stripes insignias etc
07:01<marius>I'm consdiering buying an uniform to hav the mhagning on to have in my closet :D
07:02<marius>The place I was stationed has a couple markings that are unique and nobody else gets, even the minister of defense had respect for us (we walked past a general at an airport and didn't rememebr to salute him, and he stopped us...but only to have a chat, not to reprimand us)
07:04<marius>I miss it =(
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07:17<marius>I love it when clients start being all "omg our new system is gonan kick ass" to their business relations and start tellign abotu features...and now the others want it as well xD
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07:35<Friction[2]>wow. more people use safari in north america than ie6
07:35<Friction[2]>i don't support safari, maybe i shouldn't bother with ie6
07:37<A-KO>Friction[2]: that really depends on your target audience
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07:37<Friction[2]>i'm looking at general statistics
07:37<A-KO>interesting article about that on hacker news yesterday
07:38<A-KO>for some sites, IE6 dominates the stats for them (by 60%+), for others, it's as little as 5%
07:38<A-KO>That said, I don't disagree with getting away from IE6 :P
07:38<A-KO>So as long as you build for at least 7 or 8
07:38<A-KO>preferably 8, but 7 still probably has a strong following
07:39<Friction[2]>i still need a seperate style sheet specifically for ie7
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07:40<Friction[2]>i just looked at my site and there are a few things really messed up. the only way i can resolve it would be to just remove those things
07:40<marius>stupid python, always something missing >-<
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07:41<A-KO>for IE6? I don't see why not
07:41<mwalling>marius: what are you babling about?
07:41<A-KO>I mean, IE7 came out what? Late 2006
07:41<A-KO>it's now coming up on 4.5 years beyond IE6.....
07:41<Friction[2]>i'm talking about ie6
07:41<A-KO>that's like 40 years in IT time
07:41<marius>mwalling: I'm a madman :P
07:41<mwalling>i know
07:41<A-KO>so it's safe to say IE6 needs to kick the bucket
07:42<Friction[2]>on my site jsut as many people use ie6 as they do ie7
07:42<A-KO>what's the % there?
07:42<A-KO>and are you making any $ off of it?
07:43<A-KO>I mean you have to factor in, 10% of your users using IE6, is 10% of the revenue :P
07:43<Friction[2]>i dono. google analytics is weird. for ie only, ie7 is at 7% and ie6 is at 9%
07:43<Friction[2]>yes i am
07:44<A-KO>IE only, IE6 covers 9% of your IE users?
07:44<A-KO>or 9% of your total users?
07:44<Friction[2]>yes of my ie users
07:44<A-KO>what's the % that use IE total?
07:44<Friction[2]>and ie in total uses 20%
07:44*Perihelion slaps marius around a bit with a large cactus
07:44<A-KO>well, I certainly wouldn't cut off IE at all for that matter.
07:45<A-KO>not @ 20%...
07:45<A-KO>but IE7 and 6 usage being so low.....
07:45<A-KO>I dunno....
07:45<Friction[2]>i'd probably only block ie6 users
07:45<Friction[2]>but if hey use ie7 the have no reason not to upgrade
07:46<A-KO>well, out of 100,000 users that's 1.8% of your users on IE6, and 1.4% of your users on IE7 :P
07:46<Friction[2]>ok now this is confusing. awstats says only 1% of ie users use ie6
07:48<A-KO>eh, if that's the case, drop IE6
07:48<A-KO>unless there's like, financial transactions or somethign going on
07:48<A-KO>where they'd get pissed
07:48<A-KO>otherwise give them a page to either go download IE8, Chrome, Safari, Opera, or FF
07:48<Friction[2]>yeh i would
07:49<A-KO>tbh, they should have IE8 regardless of whether or not they use it.
07:49<A-KO>Remember, IE6 security flaws still permeate through the environment even if they aren't using it as a browser :P
07:49<A-KO>because other things do use it (html help, etc.)
07:50<A-KO>funny abou this browser thing
07:50<A-KO>I was reading and commenting on this very thing at HN yesterday, and then the head of QA came to me and said "Did you guys certify IE8?"
07:50<A-KO>and me: "uhm, we thought you guys did a while ago." him: "no"
07:50<A-KO>me: "Well you're a bit late now."
07:50<A-KO>"IE8's been out for almost 2 years." him: "No it hasn't it's only been a few months!"
07:51<A-KO>me: "......."
07:51<A-KO>Half of our execs are on Windows 7 with IE8
07:51<A-KO>maybe all of them by now
07:51<Friction[2]>what are the benefits of ie6 anyway?
07:52<A-KO>so I formalized an e-mail saying that any defects seen in any apps in active development should be sent up
07:52<Friction[2]>i always thought ie6 was the only one which let security software lock down it's settings
07:52<A-KO>and not squashed because "we don't support IE8"
07:52<A-KO>nah Friction[2], largely the only reason most corporations stick with it is because a lot of apps were/are developed for it. Some of those apps probably took many months/years to make, cost a ridiculous amount of money (hundreds of thousands+) and they're not in a rush to rewrite it after every 2 years.
07:53<hawk>Friction[2]: IE6 compatibility
07:53<A-KO>You can and can't blame Microsoft in a way on that front. You can blame them for keeping IE6 around so long, and not making it more standards compliant, but right now, the "standards" are in flux.
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07:54<A-KO>I mean, HTML5, CSS3, SVG are all right now in some form of draft form.....who knows who's going to come out on top.
07:54<A-KO>as far as browser support goes
07:55<A-KO>Most people just assume "oh, I'll just write for webkit"--but webkit might get it wrong in the end :P
07:55<Friction[2]>who sets the standards for html and css then?
07:55<marius>You are welcome
07:56<Yaakov>I DO
07:56<marius>YAAKOV DOES
07:56<hawk>And there was much rejoicing
07:56<A-KO>but yeah
07:56<A-KO>I made the case at work
07:56<Yaakov>At this time I have delegated the responsibility to the W3C. but, I may, at any point, make arbitrary changes to what they decide.
07:57<A-KO>I sent a formalized e-mail to my boss and the QA guy saying any issues we see with IE8, we push it up to dev, and then we force development to write to standards-compliant browsers.
07:57<A-KO>If we don't want to reinvent the wheel every 2 years
07:57<A-KO>Otherwise, stick to legacy/native App development
07:57<A-KO>and ignore browsers because of the constantly moving target
07:59<Yaakov>A user agent MUST interpret the blink tag to mean that the text contained within it will blink on and off at the most obnoxious rate possible. SO SAYS ME.
08:00<Yaakov>For accessibility, screen readers MUST repeat the text at the blink rate.
08:00<A-KO>I seem to be in a bit of a minority though :P
08:00<A-KO>It's dead damn hard to convince people of certain realities in IT.....
08:00<A-KO>they just assume it's all magic and can work
08:01<Yaakov>A-KO: Just write everything in Flash. Done.
08:01<A-KO>silverlight ftw :P
08:01<Friction[2]>kinda gay when you forgot to test your site on every browser imaginable, and your client happens to use the one you didn't test on
08:01<A-KO>I got into an argument yesterday with somebody because I told him if he develops apps on Windows, he needs to store the settings in the registry--and he disgarees with the registry so much that he stores his settings in a binary file in the user's directory.
08:01<Yaakov>Actually, that's pretty straight.
08:02<A-KO>and I want to smack him
08:02<Friction[2]>what about storing settings in an ini file in the user's directory?
08:02<A-KO>still bad on Windows
08:02<Friction[2]>didn't realise
08:02<Yaakov>And, anyone who doesn't have browser compatibility testing as an ordinary QC step is basically a poseur.
08:02<A-KO>Friction[2]: If it's stored in the registry, that means a corporate rollout can be done relatively easily, icnluding corporate-wide changes to settings as necessary.
08:03<A-KO>Friction[2]: It's a couple of clicks for me to say "set this registry key to this" for 500; 5,000; or 50,000 users
08:03<Friction[2]>well i only did it for a person program
08:03<A-KO>I wouldn't have to write an INI parser to change a setting and put it as a logon script in hope that it runs :P
08:03<Yaakov>With Windows, if you don't use the registry, you are a nincompoop.
08:04<A-KO>Yaakov: he's a hardcore mac zealot these days....
08:04<Friction[2]>my dad still thinks macs are good for graphic design
08:05<Yaakov>Then let him write OS X apps and stay away from Windows. Silly person, acting as if he gets to decide the constraints. It's like using op codes for the PPC because you are "against Intel processors", or some such nonsense.
08:05<A-KO>well, as far as the systems go, they're not so bad now--for a while they fell behind til they moved to X86. For that matter, I don't think Photoshop exists in 64-bit mode for OSX
08:05<A-KO>while it does in Windows, and is also hardware accelerated
08:05<Yaakov>Macs *are* good for design, for a number of reasons, but they are no longer *required*.
08:06<A-KO>so if you're using vastly large images, Windows is probably the better choice with Photoshop
08:06*encode requires his mac
08:06<marius>I'd love ot hear the reasons
08:06<marius>I still say you can get a PC with better specs etc then am ac for the same price as a mac
08:06<A-KO>But ti's a close enough race
08:06<Friction[2]>same price? pfft. cheaper every time
08:06<encode>cheaper is not better
08:07<Friction[2]>i only compared laptops. and in my case cheaper was better
08:07<A-KO>sure--but if you're not doing massive image processing, and you want to wait an extra 20 seconds for image compression/whatever you do, OSX is fine. It's not THAT far behind that I'd recommend against the systems at all cost.
08:07<A-KO>Just for edge cases :P
08:07<encode>vastly large images and laptops don't really mix anyway
08:07<Yaakov>One thing about the Mac is the color management. The input-output chain for color is much more mature than Windows.
08:08<Yaakov>So when you are doing print the Macs are easier to deal with.
08:08<Yaakov>It is also the case that the design community is generally Mac-oriented, so products and help go there first, usually.
08:08<Yaakov>By the way, I wish Adobe would close shop.
08:08<A-KO>looks like they might be bought out by Microsoft :P
08:09<Yaakov>New: MS Paint CS 5!
08:09<A-KO>Yaakov: HP makes some 30-bit LCD panels that I don't think can work on a mac ;)
08:09<encode>Yaakov: if there was no Adobe, what image manipulation software on mac would you use?
08:09<Yaakov>encode: Whatever was introduced to replace it. One of he many options that would appear.
08:10<Yaakov>Almost certainly something better within a couple of years.
08:10<Yaakov>While waiting, Photoshop would still run.
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08:12<Yaakov>OK... time to get ready for the office.
08:12<encode>not if we smell you first
08:13<Yaakov>I have a stealth odor.
08:13<encode>you smell exactly like my computer
08:18<amitz>you smell like urmom.
08:18<amitz>which somehow doesn't felt like an insult...
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08:38<amitz>marius: but mac is not as flawless in experience as i expected.
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08:39<@Perihelion>I like my mac
08:39<@Perihelion>And yeah it cost more than my other laptop but it was totally worth it
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08:41<amitz>Perihelion: my dad already called me 2 times concerning mac. one, can't ejext the cd.
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08:42<amitz>weak undetected cd.
08:42<marius>Perihelion: why are yo uon here?
08:42<marius>back to the battlefield!
08:43<amitz>the 2nd thing was not mac's fault, never mind
08:43<mwalling>theres an eject button...
08:43<marius>my python2.6 is broken again after I followed the #python advice =(
08:44<amitz>mwalling: where? none i can found hardwarely and softwarely
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08:45<@Perihelion>marius: shh
08:46<@Perihelion>Also why are you ignoring me on MSN
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08:46<@Perihelion>It depresses me
08:46<marius>I'm not?
08:46<marius>you are offline
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08:46<@Perihelion>I am not
08:46<@Perihelion>You know what I'm tired of your sass.
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08:46<mwalling>amitz: isnt it up above the backspace key?
08:47<@Perihelion>It's a DELETE key on a Mac
08:47<@Perihelion>Don't be dumb
08:47<marius>heh "building with enable-shared cna't hurt" my ass
08:47<mwalling>Perihelion: thers two fuckign delete keys
08:47<marius>rebuilding without it.
08:47<mwalling>marius: why arent you using your distro package?
08:47<@Perihelion>I only have one.
08:48<mwalling>theres one in the cluster above the arrows
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08:48<mwalling>you need a bigger keyboard
08:48<mwalling>(how can you people not have a num pad!)
08:48<marius>mwalling: 2.6 not in repo, not in backport
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08:48<amitz>mwalling: oh, mac mini. not mac keyboard
08:49<mwalling>marius: can you take the package source and rebuild it for your platform?
08:49<marius>Now you are talking above my head, haha
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08:52<@Perihelion>I never use the number pad
08:52<@Perihelion> need
08:52<@Perihelion>Also someone stole the larger keyboard
08:52<@Perihelion>Because they are a TOOL
08:52<@Perihelion>I hope they see this
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08:53<marius>IT WASN'T ME!
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08:53<amitz>Perihelion: numpad is good, for nimber entriy
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08:53<@Perihelion>So are the numbers at the top of the keyboard
08:53<@Perihelion>They work just as well
08:54<marius>Not as swiftly
08:54<mwalling>maybe its just because i have to transcribe reports
08:54<marius>you can't as easily hit all 10 digits without moving your fingers/hand too much
08:54<@Perihelion>I have two hands
08:54<@Perihelion>It's okay
08:55*tychoish verifies
08:55<@Perihelion>We just waved at each other
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08:55<@Perihelion>Like champions
08:55<@tychoish>... [ docs office jazz hands ] ...
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08:55<mwalling>pparadis: i'm sorry
08:56<@Perihelion>He's not here
08:56<@tychoish>he's not here
08:56<@Perihelion>THANK GOD
08:56<marius>you two need help
08:56<mwalling>Perihelion: tychoish: but he still has to put up with your antics
08:56<marius>just saying
08:56<amitz>numpad can be so fast, once the barcode reader is broken, i wasn't informed since they can enter document number almost as fast as using numpad...
08:56<@Perihelion>I think WE put up with HIM
08:56<mwalling>amitz: lol
08:56<@Perihelion>marius: ø_Ø
08:58<amitz>mwalling: they feared i would be amgry the barcode reader was broken :-P
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08:58<mwalling>amitz: BOFH SLAM!
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08:59<mwalling>(thank god)
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09:08<linbot>New news from forums: Apache running in 48 MB of RAM in /dev/random <>
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09:10<marius>good boy
09:10<marius>now fix mah nginx
09:10*snubby is alive
09:12<mwalling>oh joy
09:13<mwalling>jed: is pi there just to prove it is live?
09:13<mwalling>also, holy shit, we've got 3 digits!
09:13<snubby>joy to the werld the snub has come.. ♪♪
09:13<@jed>don't ab that, you're gonna punish HoopyCat
09:13<@jed>whoever just started one
09:14<@jed>I expect it to OOM before the day is out :>
09:15*swaj is low on mana
09:15<linbot>JshWright: Point (0.3579722988, 0.9937110087) is not within the circle. Running total: 976/1241 (pi is about 3.1458501209)
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09:16<Talman>Is linbot trying to calculate pi?
09:16<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
09:17<snubby>er how to get really rich the fast, legal, fun and morally responsible way?
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09:21<marius>Through urmom
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09:23<mwalling>Talman: it is calculating pi using the monte carlo proof
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09:29<mwalling>!f monte carlo pi
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09:33<mgbowman>account is still pending
09:35<Tiven>guys im about to re-deploy
09:36<mwalling>Tiven: cookie or a medal?
09:36<Tiven>dried processed food like cookies is unhealthy!
09:36<Tiven>medal plzz :D
09:37<Tiven>i copied network/interfaces entries, webserver conf, what else
09:37<Tiven>im trying to not forget anything ^_^
09:37<mwalling>dried processed food?
09:37<mgbowman>my account is still pending ...
09:37*mwalling scratch bakes damnit
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09:37<mwalling>mgbowman: did you get any emails?
09:37<mgbowman>payment receipt + invoice
09:37<Tiven>i dont remember what it has that its bad
09:37<Tiven>cookies i mean
09:38<mwalling>Tiven: flour, brown sugar, sugar, egg, peanut butter, butter, baking soda, baking powder
09:38<mwalling>theres nothing there thats bad
09:38<Tiven>ok home made cookies are cool
09:39<Tiven>(white flour is really bad but ill ignore that cause its not as bad as what brand cookies contain)
09:39<mwalling>Tiven: hi, unbleached.
09:39<mwalling>mgbowman: hang out for a bit... business hours in EDT are just starting... they should see it soon
09:39<mgbowman>thanks mwalling ... no biggie
09:39<mgbowman>i just have to deploy a pbx by nights end
09:39<mwalling>it most likely wont be that long
09:40<mgbowman>and it's 4:40pm where I am
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09:40<mwalling>mgbowman: you can start reading the library articles while you wait :P
09:40<mgbowman>doing it now
09:40<Tiven>mwalling tell me what else should i not forget!
09:40<mwalling>Tiven: just make a new linode
09:40<mwalling>thats what i do
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09:47<mwalling>Tiven: 65 cents
09:47<Tiven>nu.... its not that
09:47<Tiven>im on london69
09:48<Tiven>do u promise my new linode will be on london69?
09:48<mwalling>why would you want that?
09:49<Tiven>cause it's leet name
09:49<mwalling>i'm sure... you could open a ticket to fix that or something
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09:51<Daevien>Tiven: pay jed some money and he'll prob 69 you
09:51<spkitty>Tiven: white flour is only bad if you're in NA, in which case it was likely bleached with chemicals - nowhere else in the world allows you to do that i'm pretty sure
09:51<Tiven>why wouldnt he do it for free
09:51<Tiven>im not ugly :(
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09:52<Daevien>well his wife is away, you might get lucky :p
09:52<Tiven>im male though :>
09:52<marius>Don't be so single minded ;P
09:52<Daevien>spkitty: flour is bad for a lot of peopel anyway, gluten = bad
09:53<avenj>I support flour
09:53<pea[2]>wasn't the domain owned by an opera thing?
09:53<Daevien>Tiven: she's away for like a month still, not sure how long she's been gone, he might be desperate enough already :p
09:53<marius>How do you know these things ?
09:53<Daevien>he was talkign abotu it last night when he posted his howto on making hamburger helper
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09:54*Solver ponders entropy
09:54<Daevien>avenj: lot of people are allergic to gluten (celiac is the term used) and a lt of others jsut plain feel better with a gluten free diet. flour being one of the ways people get gluten without even realizing it
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09:55<Solver>minor allergies are a funny thing. you might eat foods that make you feel unwell for decades and ever realise it
09:55<Tiven>gluten is bad
09:55<Tiven>i think i get acne from gluten :<
09:55<Solver>because the alergy is never serious the person never looks too closely into the problem
09:55<Solver>and of course how do you figure out the problem?
09:55<Daevien>Solver: gluten is bad though, cause most stuff has it unless you try to avoid it. and something like 75% of celiacs are undiagnosed or some crazy high number like that
09:55<straterra>kill a deer
09:55<Tiven>you try to cut down on it?
09:56<Solver>stay off a food for weeks? you could cycle through different foods for years and not find the cause (if there is one)
09:56<Tiven>i hear yeast is bad too
09:56<JshWright>I've recently noticed lactose make me unhappy
09:56<Solver>Daevien: my mother developed celiac recently.
09:56<Tiven>JshWright take probiotics :D
09:56<Tiven>lactose makes most people unhappy from some age
09:56<straterra>If you listen to the dieticians, everything is bad
09:56<straterra>The key is moderation
09:56<Solver>Daevien: I've been pondering the possibility of people who get minor problems with gluten
09:56<Daevien>Solver: ah, i'm prob undiagnosed as it, not totally gluten free yet, but have drtically cut back.. and feel a ton better already
09:56<Tiven>everything is bad cause of the way we process foods
09:57<Solver>mum is so much better since she cut out gluten a few years ago
09:57<JshWright>Tiven: yeah, I'm looking in to solution now, I just spent the past couple weeks paying close attention to when I consume dairy, and when my stomach is unahppy with me
09:57<Solver>JshWright: and you see a correlation?
09:57<Tiven>my skin is prone to acne so i have to watch many things
09:57<Tiven>when i cut down on dairy, it was so much better
09:57<Solver>70% of humans are lattose intolerant (roughly)
09:58<Tiven>now i take few probiotics and i can consume dairy without problem
09:58<Solver>but it varies a lot by ethnicity
09:58<Tiven>(most of the time)
09:58<Daevien>JshWright: try some Almond Breeze ifyou ke drinking milk, it's made form almonds (duh) and tastes pretty good actually. plus it keeps for a long time if you don't open it and is cheaper than milk :p
09:58<Solver>JshWright: read up on A1 & A2 milk proteins too
09:58<Daevien>grr, this keyboard sucks. dropping chars. wireless acer revo keyboard for the annoyance
09:58<Solver>a lot of people seem to be alergic to A1
09:59<Tiven>what's that? A1 and A2 :o ?
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09:59<Solver>australia & new zealand have recently introducted A2 milk
09:59<Solver>no A1 proteins
09:59<Solver>when visiting Australia my wife was able to consume A2 milk fine even though she can't drink regular milk
09:59<Tiven>anyway, you can get calcium without milk by either brocolli (if i remember correctly) or supplements i guess
09:59<JshWright>Solver: yeah, 1% milk doesn't seem to bother me, but if I add half&half to my coffee, I tend to feel pretty lousy an hour or so later
10:00<Daevien>yeah, dairy is pretty bad for people. i mostly have cut out dairy unless i go to my parents. but i felt much better after cutting a lto of the gluten i had been getting, more than the dairy part
10:00<Solver>it turns out that most milk produced before about 1970 was A2 but the A1 breeds have better production
10:00<mgbowman>just setup airdisplay on my iphone
10:00<Solver>so they replaced the A2 breeds in many countries
10:00<Tiven>JshWright never milk in coffee!
10:00<Solver>anyway lots online about that
10:00<JshWright>I've also noticed a correlation when eating foods with lots of dairy (it was actually an Indian chicken dish with cream in it that first made me suspect it was dairy)
10:00<mgbowman>have my colloquy window on it ... all tiny
10:01<JshWright>Tiven: I'm a home roaster, I _never_ put milk in real coffee... the crap they brew at work needs additives to be drinkable
10:01<Tiven>fair enough
10:01<Daevien>JshWright: are you drinking any milk substitute? soy, almond breeze, etc?
10:01<JshWright>Daevien: milk by itself doesn't seem to bother me (1%)
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10:02<Daevien>ah. haveyou ever tried cutting it out though? might make you feel better than you do without the cream even
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10:04<Daevien>soy milk is kind of bad too from what i found, for guys anyway. messes with us but not as bad for women
10:04<Tiven>Soy :X
10:04<Solver>interestingly my wife has been reading that soy is worse for women
10:04<JshWright>Daevien: I don't tend to drink a ton of milk (it's not uncommon for me to go a couple days without drinking any)
10:04<Solver>she's stopped drinking it
10:04<Solver>I consume a lot of tofu but she won't join me due to concerns over soy
10:04<Solver>(and the effect on women)
10:05*Solver is taking a lassez-faire approach
10:05<Solver>I need to eat. I'll try to keep a balanced diet and see what happens :)
10:05<JshWright>I _really_ notice it with food dishes with lots of dairy... makhani, alfredo, etc
10:06<Daevien>hmm, interesting. the main group i talk about this stuff with basically just avoids soy male or female as well as a lot of them gluten free, some are full blown look at gluten and they feel horrible celiacs
10:08<Daevien>Solver: have you tried almond breeze? (i feel like a commercial for it lol but it's cheaper, lasts quite a while unopened as well as being better for you)
10:09<Solver>Daevien: hahaha :) I've seen it but haven't tried it
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10:09<Solver>might be worth a try :)
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10:11<Daevien>yeah, it miht seem diff at first if you are used to drinking milk. there's a few diff types as well, regular, vanilla & chocolate. there's also unsweetened regular & chocolate fr cooking
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10:12<Solver>I've been wanting to get unsweetened chocolate for a while so I can add my own sweetener
10:12<Solver>maybe I should look at cooking chocolate
10:12<Daevien>around here anyway, which is a small area, it goon sale pretty often so it's not much to try it for a 1l thing of it
10:12<Solver>I tried cocoa powder but it leaves silt :)
10:13<Solver>I've cut down on my sugar intake but it is still too high
10:13<Solver>of course not all sugars are created equal :)
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10:14<Daevien>yeah no silt with almond breeze. the first thing i got of the chocolate i kind of missed chocolate milk and wasn't voelry thrilled at the almond breeze version. gave it a second chance though after mostly cutting out dairy & gluten and liked it more, dunno if taste buds cleared out some by then or just took a bit to get used to it mentally :p
10:16<pea[2]>is tonne the english spelling?
10:16<Daevien>greatthing with almond breeze is when it's on sale i can buy a cart full of it and it keeps for a couple months or something unopened :p
10:17<Solver>Daevien: nice :)
10:18<avenj>I'm lactose intolerant
10:19<avenj>I drink a mix of soy and almond milk, haven't noticed any more weirdness than normal after a few years of it
10:20<Daevien>eww, mixed? :p
10:20<Daevien>i don't like soy milk even so i dont drink the stuff :p
10:20<MaZ->milk is awesome except if i drink it before bed i get fucking charlie horse
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10:20<MaZ->every timeeeeee
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10:21<avenj>Daevien: not mixed, alternating
10:22<Daevien>ah hehe thats a bit better then
10:22<avenj>tbh though my diet won't be what kills me, anyway :o
10:22<avenj>I smoke at least a couple packs a day
10:22<avenj>usually unfiltered
10:22<Daevien>MaZ-: charlie horses for a lto fo people are caused by dehydration
10:22<avenj>obviously I don't plan a long, healthy life.
10:22<Daevien>lol yeah
10:23<MaZ->Daevien: which is curious, because after drinking milk i should not be dehydrated, right? :V
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10:26<Daevien>MaZ-: there's lots of funky stuff in milk though, i don't know enough to say for sure, but maybe something in there triggering your body to think it is or realize it is?
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10:27<MaZ->yeah, could be
10:27<MaZ->its wierd
10:27<Daevien>there are other causes but thats the only thing even close to relating between milk & charlie horse that i can think of
10:27<Daevien>well, unless you are pregnant MaZ- heh
10:27<MaZ->nothing else causes it, but if i have a glass of milk or e.g. eat icecream before bed (happens more than it should lol) it triggers it
10:27<MaZ->its always like 4am too
10:28<MaZ->worst night ruiner ever
10:28<Daevien>strange. unless you have bad circulation and the temp change is the reason? that can be a cause of them i think
10:29<MaZ->well i never went to the doctor about it because.... just not drinking milk based stuff before bed solved it
10:29<MaZ->"xcuse me doc i get cramps in my leg / foot if i drink milk before bed, WHAT SHOULD I DO"
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10:30<Daevien>ironically, searchign google quickly, i find references to drink more milk & eat cheese (for calcium) as preventative ways for charlie horses :p
10:31<MaZ->iirc its potassium / calcium, of the two i think i'd have issues with potassium but then i cant figure milk into that at all, so whatever
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11:01<DanM>Hey guys... I am moving over from slicehost... going well.. how do I do the equivalent of a slicehost 'rebuild slice'.. that is, revert everything on my node to the way it was when it was first provisioned?
11:02<JshWright>DanM: are you using the current control panel or the beta one?
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11:02<DanM>current, but I'm happy to use the beta if that makes it easier
11:02<swaj>the beta one has a "rebuild" option
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11:03<JshWright>DanM: the beta one makes what you're trying to do much more "clear"
11:03<DanM>ok, I'll give the beta one a try. Thanks
11:03<JshWright>the current one works just fine as well, but that's one of the things that was made a bit more intuitive in the new version
11:03<JshWright>DanM: additionaly... are you aware of the existance of StackScripts and how they can make your deployment life easier?
11:04<DephNet[Paul]>with the current one, the only way I have found is to delete the disks, and redeploy them
11:04<DanM>With the current, is it just a matter of deleting the disk image and then recreating?
11:06<snubby>spacehoboh eh
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11:07<linbot>bencaron: Linode512 - 258, Linode768 - 358, Linode1024 - 115, Linode1536 - 41, Linode2048 - 31, Linode4096 - 14
11:07<bencaron>!avail london
11:07<linbot>bencaron: (linodeavail takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type optionally restricting the results to a specific datacenter.
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11:09<linbot>DephNet[Paul]: London512 - 0, London768 - 16, London1024 - 0, London1536 - 0, London2048 - 0, London4096 - 2, London8192 - 2, London12288 - 2, London16384 - 2, London20480 - 1
11:09<DephNet[Paul]>bencaron, ^^^
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11:09<Tiven>so i deleted a partition after shutting down the linode
11:10<Tiven>then remembered i forgot to backup something so i reboot and it gets stuck on some Plymouth thingy :D
11:10<Tiven>it cant even run on single mode :o
11:10<DephNet[Paul]>Tiven, removed it from the config
11:10<bencaron>aaaah! Thx DephNet[Paul]
11:10<bencaron>when can I expect more 512 in London?
11:11<Tiven>DephNet[Paul] yes but didnt remove from fstab ^^
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11:11<DephNet[Paul]>Tiven, there is your problem, boot into finnix and and remove from /etc/fstab
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11:12<DephNet[Paul]>bencaron, probably when they can see there is enough of a demand
11:12<Tiven>where's the library article about working with finnix ?
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11:13<swaj>finally decided to stop being lazy and reduced my swap size...
11:13<Daevien>bencaron: i'd try opening a ticket or sending an email, we're customers, the ops would be able to give a more official time
11:13<Tiven>to what ?
11:13<Tiven>i have it on 256MB
11:13<Tiven>ah cool
11:13<swaj>I had it on 512
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11:14<bencaron>Daevien: thx, make sense. I'll do with 768 for now, I'll downgrade them when avail
11:14<Daevien>that works too :)
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11:17<Tiven>isnt 'mount /dev/xvda /mnt/blabla' supposed to work ?
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11:18<mgbowman>account still pending activation?
11:19<Tiven>i failled
11:19<Tiven>i got it right now
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11:24<Daevien>mgbowman: did you make a ticket / send an email?
11:24<mgbowman>no ... it said it wouldn't take long
11:24<mgbowman>I must say, not the best "welcome" experience
11:24<linbot>New news from forums: drupal install - stack? in General Discussion <>
11:25<mgbowman>"sign up" ... "then create a ticket because your account was never activated"
11:25<mgbowman>I got the invoice + payment receipt
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11:27<mgbowman>no billing issue .. because my card was charged
11:28<DanM>Created a new node 22 kernel, centos 5.5 disk image, when I reboot, the console hangs at: Running e2fsck on a mounted file system may cause .. y/n ... so the node doesn't boot until I hit y in the console. Anyone know why that might be and what do do about it?
11:28<Daevien>check your junk mail folder? i dunno, if you got charged it should be active
11:29<Daevien>DanM: jsut a shot in the dark, have you tried the newer kernel?
11:29<Daevien>i haven't used centos in a while but they may have done somethign funky so the .18 doesn't like it
11:30<Daevien>(by newer, i mean latest paravirt, it's the one under the latest stable under the config for linode)
11:30<Tiven>DephNet[Paul] i edited fstab, boots ok now
11:30<Tiven>but SSH stopped working... any ideas ?
11:31<Daevien>Tiven: lish?
11:31<Tiven>wait, is it running on single mode
11:31<Tiven>i think i forgot it
11:31<Daevien>heh that would make it act funky :p
11:31<Tiven>but how is it possible for httpd to load on single mode haha
11:32<Daevien>if you only needed a bit tiven, i'd say just ssh/ftp/whatever the file out using lish then redo
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11:35<DanM>The newest paravirt kernel causes problems with my iptables setup... hence going back to the newest stable.
11:36<Daevien>DanM: hmm. what sort of problems?
11:36<mgbowman>Daevien: not an issue with junk mail ... trying to login to gives me "Your account is currently pending activation"
11:36<DanM>Same iptables problem this guy had:
11:37<Daevien>mgbowman: did you send an email then? that will get a response from someone even if they aren't watchign their irc client
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11:39<Daevien>DanM: ah hmm. my iptables stuff is rusty but sounds like maybe you need to update whatever you are using / your rules?
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11:40<DanM>Nah, my particular rules aren't the problem. You get the problem regardless of what rules you have. Something outside of my rules causes the problem.
11:41<Daevien>did you try flushing all the rules?
11:42<mgbowman>Daevien: just did ... it's been 2 hrs
11:42<DanM>iptables isn't really my problem... I don't really like the setup being "latest" anyway - I like to explicitly specify the kernel, so when I next reboot this thing in a year it comes up just like I left it.
11:43*mgbowman is about to run far far away
11:44<Daevien>if you won't answer / send the email if you haven't then there's nothing more i can suggest to you mgbowman
11:44<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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11:45<mgbowman>I sent the mail
11:45<mgbowman>no worries
11:45<mgbowman>I have faith in linode ... from one techie to another ... it looks the best
11:45<Daevien>i have no ops therefore not staff.. sending an email or putting ina ticket will directly contact staff, irc doesn't unless they have trigger setup or watch the screen
11:45<Daevien>yeah, linode rules
11:45<JshWright>mgbowman: not that it helps in your particular case, but this is a _very_ uncommon issue. I'm surprised no one has gotten back to you yet
11:46<mgbowman>i bet $5 i know what it is
11:46<Daevien>jed you noob, wake up. or Perihelion. or tychoish. jed's the only noob though
11:46<Daevien>(that might set off a nickname bell and if they are paying attention they'll show up, prob looking to kick my ass ;)
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11:56<DephNet[Paul]>how accurate is the MaxMind GeoIP City database?
11:57<tiz->pretty accurate imo
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12:19<pea[2]>hehe designing for halloween is fun
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12:21*Daevien uses pea[2] as a scarecrow on the linode office front door
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12:31<DephNet[Paul]>is there a way of pinging a server, for example with fsockopen(), that does not make use of exec() in PHP? the only ways I have found are exec(), which I do not want to do for security reasons, and using fsockopen() which needs a port but do not want to check if a port is open, just if the server is online
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12:33<ahf>sending a ping requires raw socket access, which is why ping has the suid bit set.
12:33<ahf>so you're probably screwed.
12:35<mgbowman>anyway to get the kernel config for
12:36<DephNet[Paul]>all i want to do is see if a server is online, I could use fsockopen, but not every server will have the same port open
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12:47<Daevien>DephNet[Paul]: open multiple ports, if one responds, it's up? ie: 25, 80, 443, etc?
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12:47<Daevien>besides that, i'd say and see if you can find anything someone else did :p
12:48<DephNet[Paul]>ive decided to set ip up so that in the array of server names, I define the port to connect too on that server too
12:49<DephNet[Paul]>then use "fsockopen($server, $port, $errno, $errstr, 10);"
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12:50<Daevien>yeah, prob the best. waht are you trying to code anyway? sounds like a monitoring package and kind o wondering why you are reinventing the wheel?
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12:51<spkitty>photoshop effects make the world go 'round
12:52<DephNet[Paul]>Daevien, its a simple monitoring package, just to see if the server is online or not
12:52<Daevien>ah. any chance of it doing more?
12:53<DephNet[Paul]>in time, yes
12:54<DephNet[Paul]>i plan on adding checking of uptime, load and a few other things
12:54<Daevien>i'd say do it with snmp or somethign like that
12:54<Daevien>if it gets a response to that, it's alive. then add in the rest after for load, etc
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12:56<mdgrech>Hello, port 1726 is opened on my server and i don't remember opening it. Is this normal?
12:57<DephNet[Paul]>yeah, 2 reasons for reinventing the wheel is 1) i am using CodeIgniter to do this, and 2) gives me practice in how CI works :P
12:57<Ovron>Depends if you usually get memory blackouts, or not.
12:57<Daevien>mdgrech: nope, default setup of linodes are very very basic, so you or someone else put that there, check with netstat to see what process has it and see if that rings a bell?
12:57<DephNet[Paul]>mdgrech, what is listening on that port?
12:58<Daevien>DephNet[Paul]: ah k. yeah, i'd say do the basic snmp setup now, use that for checking if it's alive, then later on add in the uptime, load, etc checks. or just have the check for alive be he load check for instance, code 1 thing that serves 2 purposes (lazy coder way ftw)
13:01<DephNet[Paul]>heh, most of the checks will not be run if the server is offline, hence getting this sorted first, the way I have got it done works, but I am sure there is an easier, and more efficient, way of doing it
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13:08<DephNet[Paul]>Daevien, if you want to, I can stick what I have done on GitHub, it would help a great deal if someone looked at it and suggested ways to make it more efficient
13:10<Boohemian>hey all
13:11<Boohemian>i have a really bad migraine, but luckily, i'm starting to feel better (after two hours and 3 failed meds) :)
13:11<amitz>does sleep matter?
13:12<amitz>lack/enough sleep?
13:12<Daevien>DephNet[Paul]: heh my coding is pretty rusty now, haven't done much besides small edits in a couple years so i'm prob not a good one to have run over it. an di haven't used CI, just looked at it a couple times
13:14<DephNet[Paul]>Daevien, fair enough, CI is nice, modelled on RoR I think, and it has helped me split the logic from the design of a page
13:15<Daevien>i looked at it but just didn't have time to learn it and never got back to it. a common thing with me :p
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13:18<DephNet[Paul]>same here Daevien
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13:22<Tiven>while installing mysql, connection interrupted
13:22<Tiven>what do i do to fix? ^^
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13:23<Ovron>I'd tell you to use screen during longer installs, but first rule of using screen is to not talk about screen
13:23<Tiven>its a new deployment and i forgot to install it ^^
13:23<Tiven>i always use it but i forgot now ^^
13:24<Ovron>are you sure you are root or sudo'ing when you get that message?
13:24<Ovron>Delete the lock file then
13:24<Ovron>although... it says it is open, humm
13:24<Tiven>and users.. and root is on
13:24<Tiven>cant i kick users?
13:25<Ovron>No idea about that, I'm afraid.
13:26<Ovron>I've just deleted lock files before when stuff hit the fan; not sure if that's the correct way of solving these errors. :p
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13:27<Tiven>oh well
13:27<Tiven>i killed root
13:28<Tiven>and everything stopped responding
13:28*Tiven facepalms himself
13:28<blognewb>hey guys you know any service that allows you to receive fax through the computer / email?
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13:33<DephNet[Paul]>blognewb, have a look at
13:33<DephNet[Paul]>they are UK based, but I believe they have US numbers you can use
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13:41<Daevien> does it, never used them myself though
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13:48<schmichael>2 questions about private IPs: do I have to reboot to use them after enabling them, and can I still use dhcp (if only for my public IP and dns)?
13:48<JshWright>yes, and yes
13:48<JshWright>DHCP will serve the "primary" public IP for the node
13:48<schmichael>and I can just use ifconfig to add the private IP?
13:49<schmichael>will I need to do anything with routes?
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13:50<tonyyarusso>I would imagine that depends on how you intend to use them schmichael.
13:51<schmichael>I have a db server and an app server and just need them to talk
13:52<JshWright>no, you shouldn't need to do anything with routes
13:53<JshWright>what distro are you using?
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13:54<nick125>You might need to add a default route..
13:54<JshWright>if you're just talking to another host on the same network, no routing is necessary
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13:58<schmichael>thanks for the help, but I just realized my 2 app servers are in different DCs so this is a massive waste of time
13:58<schmichael>sorry for the noise
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14:12<gbit>Hi all, sometimes I'm having trouble to resolve some reverse DNS using google DNS's from my linode, from other linux that I have I can check it normaly, any ideas?
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14:21<ZzZ0>hello Admins
14:21<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
14:21<ZzZ0>i forget my account password
14:21<ZzZ0>how i get password
14:22<mwalling>ZzZ0: ?
14:22<DephNet[Paul]>Daevien, mind if i pm you a link a sec?
14:22<ZzZ0>email is closed
14:22<ZzZ0>i made email for account only email is expire
14:23<ZzZ0>Khan is account name
14:23<Daevien>DephNet[Paul]: go for it
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14:25<mwalling>ZzZ0: we're not employees
14:25<ZzZ0>ohh ok
14:27<DephNet[Paul]>ZzZ0, can you not remake the email account, the request a new password?
14:27<straterra> databases scare me
14:28<ZzZ0>how i request new password?
14:28<ZzZ0>ok thanksss
14:28<ZzZ0>i can email
14:30<metaperl1>do any of you use time tracking software?
14:31<DephNet[Paul]>metaperl1, probably not what you want to hear but, my brain and WHMCS :P
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14:34<mwalling>metaperl1: i use billings
14:34*metaperl1 googles for billings
14:34<mwalling>for personal stuff at home, i use bugzilla at work
14:35<mwalling>bugs get tagged with their project number, i have a nice report we use to generate our time sheets based on the bugs
14:35<metaperl1>but can you use bugzilla and bill the client on a weekly basis
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14:35<mwalling>now you're greedy
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14:37<mwalling>metaperl1: billings is purdy
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15:05<mwalling>OH NO!
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15:07<DephNet[Paul]>mwalling, you will get over it
15:08<Daevien>mwalling: stop attacking it then?
15:08<straterra>mwalling: you play minecraft too?
15:08<mwalling>straterra: not yet
15:08<@mikegrb>mmm cake
15:08<straterra>wtf cake
15:09<mwalling>thinking about starting tonight
15:09<straterra>I have my own server thats on beefy hardware if you ever wanna jump in to multiplayer
15:09<DephNet[Paul]>what is so good about it?
15:09<straterra>The server or the game?
15:10<DephNet[Paul]>the game
15:10<superdug>We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
15:10<straterra>DephNet[Paul]: classic and see
15:10<superdug>-Michael Scott (quoting Carl Sagan)
15:10<straterra>Classic is free
15:10<mwalling>DephNet[Paul]: classic sucks
15:10<straterra>It's hard to describe the game without playing it
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15:10<DephNet[Paul]>it doesnt like my Java package for some odd reason
15:11<mwalling>DephNet[Paul]: i've been watching my coworker play the new version, its tons better then classic
15:11<gasparro>Hey, if I resize Linode should I be worried that it might come up with some errors?
15:11<superdug>minecraft - it's like wow, but instead of pretending to be a make-believe character, you stack blocks alongside other people stacking blocks
15:11<straterra>It's like..3d Lego for big kids
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15:12<DephNet[Paul]>WoW, oh dear god, if it is anything like WoW then it is shit
15:12<straterra>It's nothing like WoW
15:12<superdug>nope, you stack blocks, alongside other people stacking blocks
15:12<mwalling>DephNet[Paul]: its nothing like wow
15:12<DephNet[Paul]><superdug> minecraft - it's like wow <-- according to him it is :P
15:13<superdug>yeah I didn't exactly give WoW a rave review in that sentence either
15:13<mwalling>DephNet[Paul]: its nothing like wow
15:13<Ovron>mc is an autism simulator
15:13<DephNet[Paul]>superdug, WoW is shit
15:14<superdug>it really isn't, except it's a "game" where lots of people play a game that no one can ever win
15:14<superdug>so it's just like wow in that sense
15:14<straterra>It's a sandbox game
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15:14<straterra>With 100% randomly generated worlds
15:14<straterra>And are pretty much infinitely large
15:15<superdug>there is no such thing as infinity, everything that has a begining must have an end
15:15<straterra>That's why I said pretty much
15:18<linbot>New news from forums: poor performance on TCP/IP socket (Ubuntu Lucid) on Linode in Linux Networking <>
15:19<straterra>Urgh..I'd love to do iOS development..but objective c is sooo shitty
15:23<gasparro>So, anyone experienced any problems with resizing linode? Or was it smooth process for everyone?
15:24<DephNet[Paul]>gasparro, which way are you resizing?
15:25<gasparro>Up - to a bigger one.
15:25<gasparro>I just need some extra resources for a month.
15:25<DephNet[Paul]>it *should* be smooth, but as always backup, backup, backup
15:25<gasparro>So I'll be resizing it down next month.
15:25<HoopyCat>the first rule of the coffee club is you do not move the carafe while the coffee is still brewing
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15:25<HoopyCat>the second rule of the coffee club is YOU DO NOT MOVE THE CARAFE WHILE THE COFFEE IS STILL BREWING.
15:26<NytFi>Hiya. Got a quick pre-sales question if there are any Linode folks in here?
15:26<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
15:26<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
15:27<HoopyCat>gasparro: it's generally pretty smooth... shut down, migrate, expand disk if required, boot.
15:27<NytFi>Well how about that.
15:28<NytFi>Am I paying for resources I can use or am I paying monthly per node?
15:28<DephNet[Paul]>NytFi, resources you can use
15:28<NytFi>So I could create multiple nodes, is my ultimate question, for one monthly cost?
15:28<HoopyCat>NytFi: you're paying monthly per node, but when you delete a node, your account is credited for the unused time
15:30<NytFi>Those seem to be two contradicting answers
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15:30<gasparro>What's monthly price for backup? Cannot find it on website.
15:30<sirpengi>no, you pay for each node you bring up
15:31<NytFi>Thank you
15:31<sirpengi>how much you pay per node determines the resources available for that node
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15:31<sirpengi>but if you remove a node, your account gets credited
15:32<NytFi>So why would someone create a node with lower specifications than what they've been allocated?
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15:32<sirpengi>well, RAM is RAM, nothing you can do with spare RAM. but disk space you can save for multiple configurations
15:33<NytFi>Right, that makes sense
15:33<HoopyCat>NytFi: if they've got a 1024 but are planning to resize to a 512 eventually, they might only use half the disk space to make that process easier down the line... or they might leave some extra room for other disk images (e.g. stashing a development/testing image for occasional future use)
15:33<HoopyCat>(i'm a bit of a packrat like that)
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15:35<HoopyCat>you can also set the RAM lower to prove a point or settle a bar bet, ala
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15:36<HoopyCat>that reminds me, i need to implement file locking before something bad happens...
15:36<tjfontaine>dear EU, wtf.
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15:38<NytFi>Another scenario: If I created two nodes, can I share the combined hard disk space between both?
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15:39<DephNet[Paul]>NytFi, no
15:39<Ovron>Only bandwidth is shared.
15:39<HoopyCat>NytFi: not natively (since they'll almost certainly be on different hosts), but NFS can do the job
15:39<Ovron>I.e. all of your nodes' bandwidth goes into a common pool.
15:39<sirpengi>you can share them over the network, if you're okay with that overhead
15:39<JshWright>well... you _can_, but it would eb up to you to implement some sort of distributed file system
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15:39<NytFi>Good point Hoopy. Thanks.
15:39<tjfontaine>ZOMG WTF EU
15:39<sirpengi>you forgot BBQ
15:40<HoopyCat>wow, every time i think about file locking or NFS, the net splits
15:40<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: please to be stopping
15:41<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: fix the network so that it only breaks when i think about file locking *and* NFS
15:41<tjfontaine>I'm afraid to reattach that leaf for fear it's just going to split again
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15:44*mwalling !helping
15:44<HoopyCat>hmm, looking at the current state-of-the-art, i'm just going to use the prayer method of concurrent write management
15:44<HoopyCat>that should fix the network
15:45<DephNet[Paul]>welcome back everyone
15:45<tjfontaine>I'm not holding my breath
15:46<Ovron>services keeps setting +R on me and welcoming me to #bitlbee :p
15:46<tjfontaine>that's what happens with your leaf goes away
15:46<tjfontaine>(multiple times)
15:46<HoopyCat>Ovron: that's because you keep quitting and joining the network
15:47<HoopyCat>Ovron: move to canada
15:47<Ovron>is that servers transfering me (not sure if that is possible) or am I dropping connection and reconnecting? My status window doesn't show anything like that :|
15:48<tjfontaine>there is no mechanism directly in the irc rfc to handle connection migration
15:48<HoopyCat>Ovron: you aren't doing anything, and your client<->server connection is fine. it's the server<->server stuff :-)
15:48<mwalling>Ovron: just blame tj
15:48<Ovron>Ah! Was about to ask if that was the case HoopyCat, right
15:48<HoopyCat>Ovron: up next, tjfontaine will pimp his meshing proposal
15:48<tjfontaine>there is in my extension, but noone (to my knowledge) has it implemented
15:48<Ovron>tjfontaine: I think such a mechanism would be nice ;)
15:49<Ovron>aha, there we go :p
15:49<HoopyCat>the third rule of coffee club is you will not pay for a 40-cent print job with a $20
15:49<HoopyCat>additionally, the first 10 pages are free, so print half of it, use the washroom, then print the second half
15:49<tjfontaine>which is essentially broadcast messages across the network
15:51<Ovron>Are there any technical reasons why such a thing hasn't become widespread, tjfontaine?
15:51<tjfontaine>noones paid me to write the proxies yet
15:52<tjfontaine>for it to work clients and servers need to be updated, or use proxies to handle the logic
15:52<DephNet[Paul]>and according to some people "it is not needed or wanted"
15:53<tjfontaine>right, and there are still cases it doesn't cover
15:53<Ovron>Make up a cheesy name, like "The NEW IRC!" (like The New Game in Police Academy, awesome!)
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15:53<HoopyCat>it has been considered a promising idea by many people for at least 15 years now, but alas, it always turns into a we'll-fix-all-the-other-IRC-problems-at-the-same-time thing
15:54<Ovron>^ translates to never?
15:54<HoopyCat>i like tjfontaine's proposal because it doesn't try to fix anything else :-)
15:54<tjfontaine>and most new development goes towards reinventing irc in the form of stack overflow
15:54<pwnguin>or twitter
15:54<HoopyCat>all proposals to revamp IRC eventually converge on either stack overflow, reddit, or xmpp
15:54<sirpengi>netsplits aren't bad, a little time apart rekindles the spark
15:54<HoopyCat>pwnguin: all proposals to revamp twitter eventually converge on IRC
15:55<pwnguin>i think if you keep going with this you'll have a good meme
15:55<HoopyCat>so how about server-side handling of hashtags
15:55<pwnguin>and a funny chart
15:56<HoopyCat>and distributed, synchronized twitter servers... and a way to find all the people who are watching a hashtag right now
15:56<Ovron>I think we need neurotransmiters implemented for instant twitter notifications
15:57<HoopyCat>speaking of convergence,
15:57<linbot>HoopyCat: Point (0.8283832760, 0.9736021197) is not within the circle. Running total: 1627/2053 (pi is about 3.1699951291)
15:57<Ovron>I don't think we'll get there before internet stops to exist
15:57<sirpengi>holy smokes, you guys have seriously done that 2k+ times
15:57<Ovron>745M iterations got it to 3.1417224912752, and then I got bored watching it.
15:58<pwnguin>i wrote one of those for my calculator in ti basic years ago
15:58<pwnguin>like a decade later i told a roommate about it
15:59<HoopyCat>i wonder if i can convince the math department to hire me to run that all day
15:59<pwnguin>when he was thinking about doing something on calculating pi for a honors project
15:59<Ovron>HoopyCat: I don't know, they have some japanese dude at university of tokyo doing that already
15:59<linbot>pwnguin: Point (0.5566005190, 0.9432623558) is not within the circle. Running total: 1628/2056 (pi is about 3.1673151751)
15:59<HoopyCat>Ovron: but i'm doing it using a web 2.0 social networking mashup
16:00<pwnguin>he got annoyed at monte carlo precision and decided to just calculate every possible random number in what i had
16:00<Ovron>HoopyCat: :D
16:00<pwnguin>and then went super optimizing it. i guess thats why he was still in the honors program
16:01<HoopyCat>i wrote a paper on the history of pi, which someone needs to remind me to post in mid-march next year
16:02<pwnguin>get a calendar
16:02<Ovron>HoopyCat: sure, if I forget, just remind me about it, ok?
16:02<pwnguin>and put an auto reminder for 3/ 14
16:02<HoopyCat>pwnguin: this is too important for that
16:02<pwnguin>ive got caldav todo list items going out to like 2015
16:02<HoopyCat>afk, vehiclular localizer beacon is within range; my ride is near
16:03<pwnguin>(his ride is honking the horn impatiently)
16:04<linbot>mwalling: Point (0.2389208836, 0.2853055733) is within the circle. Running total: 1652/2086 (pi is about 3.1677852349)
16:04<mwalling>aww, we're diverging again
16:04<JshWright>yeah, it converging on 3.14 nicely earlier
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16:14<Boohemian>how do i see what user owns my mysql database?
16:14<Ovron>if you mean by mysql-terms, no one owns it; different users have different privileges to it.
16:15<Talman>>.> mwalling, what is linbot doing?
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16:15<JshWright>Talman: magic
16:15<mwalling>Talman: solving pi
16:16<Ovron>Black voodoo magic
16:16<linbot>Ovron: Point (0.2767911343, 0.7564880191) is within the circle. Running total: 1688/2130 (pi is about 3.1699530516)
16:16<linbot>dominikh: Point (0.3572380775, 0.1804389580) is within the circle. Running total: 1689/2131 (pi is about 3.1703425622)
16:20<JshWright>Talman: calculating pi _very_ slowly...
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16:21<Ovron>We'll all be enjoying the afterlife before it will converge on the visible decimals
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16:21<JshWright>we're on iteration 2131... this method doesn't generally converge on 3.14 for 100k iterations or so
16:22<mwalling>hey, i thought it was cool
16:23<linbot>mwalling: Point (0.3049730616, 0.8968710519) is within the circle. Running total: 1696/2139 (pi is about 3.1715755026)
16:23<Ovron>20000: 3.147 -- it stayed on 3.14 after 20k iterations, good seeding for random that one!
16:24<straterra>mwalling: Whats the point of that thing?
16:26<linbot>Ovron: 100 digits of pi starting at position 1301: 1293313677028989152104752162056966024058038150193511253382430035587640247496473263914199272604269922
16:26<linbot>Tiven: Point (0.1323750995, 0.1862792338) is within the circle. Running total: 1699/2143 (pi is about 3.1712552497)
16:27<Talman>That's what I thought it was doing.
16:27<linbot>SelfishMan: SiliconDust HDHomeRun Network-Based Digital HDTV Tuner (78%): $49.99
16:27<Ovron>No, !pi is doing a monte carlo simulation
16:27<Talman>I read that as slicehost Network-Based Digital HDTV Tuner and wanted to know where the Linode version was.
16:27<linbot>Ovron: Girls never dump studs with rocklike poles. Purchase our special desire supporting caplets
16:28<Tiven>(thats a lie btw)
16:28<SelfishMan>Tiven: like you would even know
16:29<Talman>So, girls never dump guys with stoic polish friends?
16:29<Talman>Get your SOVIET POLE today?
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16:32<Talman>Ok, is there a way to make sftp go above 30kbps?
16:32<Ovron>... don't throttle it and it will? :p
16:32<Talman>I'm not throttling it.
16:33<Talman>When I upload to my fremont linode, I consistantly get 30kbps up.
16:33<Ovron>Do you have higher upload speed capacity with your connection?
16:34<Ovron>Talman: have you tried using scp to see if it is filezilla being the badboy here?
16:35<Talman>I don't use filezilla, I use winscp.
16:35<Talman>And my connection is rated for 1.5mbit, or a little over 128kbps.
16:36<saikat_>if i add a linode temporarily to my account and then remove it (just to test to see if restoring from a backup works), do i only get charged for the days i use it or for the entire month?
16:36<Talman>Entire month.
16:36<Talman>You get refunded the unused days.
16:36<Ovron>saikat_: entire month, rest is put back as credit into your linode account upon cancelation.
16:36<Talman>i.e. buy, use, cancel, refund.
16:36<Nivex>Talman: not refund, credit. subtle difference.
16:36<saikat_>ah cool, thanks
16:37<saikat_>is that the best way to test if i can restore from a backup?
16:37<saikat_>what i said about getting a new linode, testing, then getting rid of it?
16:37<saikat_>or do people have other techniques
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16:51<Yaakov>I WAS BUSY TODAY
16:52<Ovron>Been a good boy?
16:52<encode>I was asleep
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16:53<HoopyCat>saikat: that's probably the best way to do it, without impacting your current linode in any way
16:55<Yaakov>I am leading a campus-wide digital signage project and the challenges are both politcal and technical. Today was a technical challenge day.
16:55<HoopyCat>saikat: or you can shut down your current linode, resize your images such that there's enough unallocated space to restore the backup, restore the backup, make sure it looks good, delete the restored images, resize your images again, and boot your current linode stuff
16:55<Yaakov>OK... TIME TO GO HOME
16:55<HoopyCat>Yaakov: all signs point to YES
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16:56<gilaniali>Is a VPS private? I mean is the hosting company able to access my data?
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16:57<saikat>HoopyCat: thanks - yeah current linode is running a production site so can't do it entirely that way, but thanks for the suggestions
16:57<HoopyCat>gilaniali: in theory, linode can access your data (after all, the backup system does)
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16:58<pea[2]>i finished:
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17:00<Talman>gilaniali, no system is private.
17:01<gilaniali>HoopyCat: so the only other alternative is to encrypt all data or to get own hardware?
17:01<Talman>Even if you get your own hardware, you're still connecting it to the internet, gilaniali.
17:01<Ovron>If someone has physical access to your hardware, i.e. coloc etc, they have full access to it, basically.
17:01<Talman>What kind of data are you trying to protect, and from who?
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17:02<Talman>If you're afraid linode is going to look at your warez, then I'd be more afraid of the FBI and their bolt cutters.
17:02<gilaniali>hehe fair enough
17:02<HoopyCat>gilaniali: even with full-disk encryption, it would still need to be unencrypted in memory at some point, and thus accessible (although with much, much more difficulty)
17:02<Talman>If you're storing credit card data, wtf, linode isn't PCI compliant.
17:03<Talman>HoopyCat, yep. And nobody at the data center is gonna turn off a box when the FBI executes a search warrant.
17:03<HoopyCat>Talman: s/linode/a shared hardware environment/ i believe
17:03<Talman>Pretty much. You need to own the physical hardware and it has to meet some security requirements as spelled out in PCI.
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17:06<HoopyCat>that said, if you're just storing encrypted data and the server can't decrypt it, then there's no magic encryption-breaking fairies that can poke at it
17:07<Talman>Basically, linode doesn't care about your data.
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17:07<Talman>The only people you have to fear are hackers and the government.
17:07<HoopyCat>i wouldn't quite word it like THAT
17:08<Ovron>HoopyCat: OH YEAH? You havn't seen the magic fairies we have here.
17:08<Talman>I'm sure they care about the integrity of your drives and stuff, but they could care less that you run the largest dickgirl hentai site in the world.
17:08<HoopyCat>Talman: dude
17:08<HoopyCat>msg Talman i'm trying to keep that on the dl
17:09<Talman>Deny everything.
17:09<Nivex>Talman: would that be a DROP or a REJECT rule?
17:09<Talman>More importantly, the government just walks into the data center and clones the hard drives.
17:10<Talman>If you're iumportant enough for that, you done goofed and conseuqnes will never be the same.
17:10<HoopyCat>i wouldn't mind if they did that... carting off the equipment would piss me off more
17:10<hobot>run to the czech republic
17:10<Talman>On average, though, the people asking about 'will linode look at my files' have nothing of importance in those files that linode would want.
17:11<HoopyCat>Talman: eh, it's a perfectly reasonable thing to think about
17:11<Talman>Oh, its perfectly reasonable, but these aren't mutually exclusive.
17:11<Talman>Those who have things to hide already know they shouldn't be on a damn VPS.
17:12<HoopyCat>it's not easy like sudo ls -l /home/talman/.porn/, but it's not hard like cloning alan turing, either
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17:14<Talman>I don't know... I see secrets in two shades: Nobody cares and This Can Never, Ever, Get Out.
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17:16<HoopyCat>it's more like lvcreate -s -n notviolatingemployeepolicyatall /dev/customers/linode6554321, vi /var/log/everything, ssh logserver vi /var/log/everything...
17:17<SelfishMan>That's why I make it easy and publicly share my porn:
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17:18<HoopyCat>Talman: i see there being more of a continuum of secrecy levels... there's stuff like my credit card number, which is certainly not "nobody cares" but is not "this can never, ever, get out"... there's different PITA levels
17:18*Ovron does not click that
17:20<Talman>I don't handle CC numbers, so it goes into my "nobody cares" thing.
17:20<HoopyCat>Talman: known breach of my credit card number: only gonna take an hour or two of relatively minor stuff over the span of a year or two to clear up, but certainly to be avoided. breach of 100,000 customer credit card numbers: that'd suck
17:20<HoopyCat>Talman: how do you pay for your linode? :-)
17:20<Talman>If I handled CC numbers, itd be "never, ever, can get out."
17:20<Talman>Linode handles my CC number.
17:20<HoopyCat>Talman: you also handle your credit card number
17:21<Talman>But my linode doesn't.
17:21<Talman>Also, I won't sue myself into oblivion for fucking it up.
17:21<SelfishMan>Ovron: it is SFW
17:21<linbot>Yaakov: Appl
17:22<Ovron>SelfishMan: why. WHY?!
17:22<linbot>Yaakov: Pumpki
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17:22*SelfishMan thought it was pushing Apple Stock for a minute
17:22<HoopyCat>Talman: you clearly have an interest in limiting dissemination of your credit card number, BUT it wouldn't be the end of the world if it hit the main page of reddit
17:22<linbot>path: 113117
17:23<linbot>path: Point (0.7869053325, 0.4774423263) is within the circle. Running total: 1750/2202 (pi is about 3.1789282470)
17:23<SelfishMan>!urmom has prime pi
17:23<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so insecure, she gets exploited more than Roundcube! (744:19/0) [murom]
17:23<SelfishMan>rouncube is insecure?
17:23<Talman>Right now, the main page of Reddit is a countdown to a cute mexican chick being raped by 20 men and beheaded.
17:23<Talman>Supposedly, Roundcube has security holes.
17:24<coobra>secure the holes
17:24<coobra>make the rabit caged :p
17:24<pharaun>which would you prefer urmom holes or roundcube holes? :-p
17:24<HoopyCat>Talman: if i ever see your credit card number on there and i'm not 100% sure you posted it, by the way, i will downvote it for you.
17:26<linbot>path: 113123
17:27<linbot>path: 113131
17:27<linbot>SelfishMan: 100 digits of pi starting at position 1401: 7967823547816360093417216412199245863150302861829745557067498385054945885869269956909272107975093029
17:27<path>Mmmm pie
17:28<Talman>Reddit is slaved to my mind.
17:28<Talman>So, I'll be instantly informed if it frontpages.
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17:28<HoopyCat>i just google for all of mine
17:30*Ovron goes and has a look at google search history
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17:34<DephNet[Paul]>GAH, #ubuntu are SERIOUSLY in need of a bitch slap
17:35<NotInternat>you say that like your surprised
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17:37<Talman>why now?
17:37<DephNet[Paul]>Internat, it is Freenode, I should have expected them to be as unhelpful as possible
17:40<DephNet[Paul]>Talman, Gwibber is spitting out when I start it up, after a few hours googling yesterday I found which says to run "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gwibber-daily/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade", now I did that yesterday, and all seemed to be ok, I could send tweets fine, fast forward to today and I can no longer send tweets from Gwibb
17:40<DephNet[Paul]>er, and the errors it is spitting out are back
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17:43<sirpengi>gtk lol
17:43<avar>Obviously you need to skip that fast-forward step.
17:43<sirpengi>anyhow, those appear to be just warnings
17:44<sirpengi>or is stuff actually breaking?
17:44<sirpengi>oh, nvm, skipped over that part where you said 'no longer send tweets'
17:45<DephNet[Paul]>I can recieve them, just not send them
17:45<DephNet[Paul]>and according to #ubuntu i have to "live with it"
17:45<DephNet[Paul]>sorry but that is a cop out
17:45<G>gosh gwibber... I've just gone to using the web interfaces
17:45<sirpengi>choqok calls for you
17:45<avar>You could compile the dev version, that wouldn't be a cop out :)
17:45<DephNet[Paul]>if it doesn't work, DONT FUCKING BUNDLE IT IN A DEFAULT INSTALL
17:46<DephNet[Paul]>sorry for the caps and swearing
17:46<G>it's not that important to me and I just went argh at the new Gwibber layout (the original was barely okay for me as well)
17:46<sirpengi>sorry also for caps and swearing on my part
17:47<G>actually I agree, some of the handling of Ubuntu bugs is a bit weird
17:47<DephNet[Paul]>sirpengi, true, but i was told 10.10 "just worked"
17:47<Ovron>"Hey we want you to use ubuntu!" - Sure, I love it, just this thing doesn't work - "LIVE WITH IT"
17:48<DephNet[Paul]>Ovron, if i wanted to live with a bug, I would have stayed with Windows :P
17:48<Ovron>Windows at least works together with the bugs, they are like in a symbiosis.
17:48<avar>DephNet[Paul]: Lol, who told you that?
17:48<DephNet[Paul]>now I am regretting the switch from OpenSuse
17:49<DephNet[Paul]>avar, a friend
17:49<avar>now an enemy?
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17:51<avar>anyway, I recommend bitlbee and irssi for using twitter on linux
17:51<avar>and whatever else gwibber is doing for ya
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17:51<DephNet[Paul]>this is the only thing pissing me off, granted I do not send many tweets, but why should I use a client to recieve them, and then go to the website to send them, when the client should be able to send them
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17:52<alekjoly1>hi to you all!
17:52<avar>Dude, software that you got FOR FREE has BUGS. You could either be helpful and try the dev version / patch it / help with the bug, or just live with it.
17:52<DephNet[Paul]>and now, I have been told to fix it myself
17:53<avar>But right now you're just going "hey, this free beer you gave me? IT SUCKS"
17:53<DephNet[Paul]>avar, i understand it will have bugs, but it is the attitude of people in #ubuntu that gets my back up the most
17:53<avar>anyway, use Debian instead of Ubuntu to avoid most of their "we packaged unstable and it probably wrks" siht
17:54<alekjoly1>does anyone know where to find the installation for Rails 3 and Nginx for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS 64bit?
17:54<alekjoly1>... it would be much appriciated! Thank you
17:54<DephNet[Paul]>if they said, "live with it for a couple weeks" I wouldnt mind
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17:55<avar>You know those people were just some guys on IRC, not Ubuntu's official PR agents or something, right?
17:55<DephNet[Paul]>avar, yeah, but they could still do with a bitch slap
17:56<DephNet[Paul]>telling someone that has an issue to "deal with it" or "fix it yourself" is not helpful
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17:57<avar>Neither is bitching about some random dudes on IRC who hurt your feelings.
17:57<DephNet[Paul]>i was in there asking for help, i do not expect attitude from someone telling me to fix it myself
17:58<avar>It's IRC, most channels are giant circlejerkfests filled with sexually starved 16 year olds trying to show off.
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17:58<avar>Sometimes you can get some info from 'em, sometimes you don't.
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18:03<HoopyCat>avar: i'm not 16, you inconsiderate clod
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18:04<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: what's the bug id?
18:04<Nivex>avar: a/s/l ?
18:04<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: that's not a bug id
18:05<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: oh there it is, 638794
18:05<gasparro>Hey guys, I transferred to linode 1024 from 512 and it says Transfer/Mo :283GB, while it should be 400GB. Whay is that?
18:06<Nivex>gasparro: transfer is prorated for the month
18:06<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: the bug seems to be facebook-specific?
18:06<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, although, I have been able to add the account, and I can see tweets in Gwibber now, I just can not send them
18:06<bob2>gasparro: you don't get a free lunch
18:06<gasparro>Nivex: What does it mean?
18:07<DephNet[Paul]>so, unless it is a different bug, but showing the same symptoms as that one, I do not have a clue what is wrong
18:07<avar>Nivex: 16 + 8, m, Amsterdam :)
18:07<bob2>gasparro: you get (200*20/31 + 400 * 10/31) GB
18:07<SelfishMan>! people still use facebook?!?
18:07<bob2>gasparro: ie you didn't pay for the 1024MB linode quota all month, so you don't get it for the whole month
18:07<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: it appears to be a different bug, since (of which the 638794 linked off of answers.* is a duplicate) only mentions twitter in the context of working fine
18:08<gasparro>Oh, that sucks.
18:08<gasparro>That was one of the reasons I switched to bigger linode.
18:09<SelfishMan>gasparro: if you are really nice when you open a ticket you may be able to get the 100Gb addon added at full price and back-dated to the beginning of the month.
18:09<DephNet[Paul]>gasparro, you can purchase transfer extra, which are not prorated i believe
18:09<SelfishMan>DephNet[Paul]: nah, the addon is prorated too
18:10<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: sure about that?
18:10<DephNet[Paul]>SelfishMan, ahh, i guess, as the cost is prorated
18:10<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: yep
18:10<SelfishMan>I've run into it many times
18:10<bob2>either way, support ticket -> great love
18:10<gasparro>SelfishMan: We'll see how it goes. We are launching one facebook app tomorrow, if we run out of space we will buy extra BW.
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18:14<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: my gut is telling me it is somehow related to twitter's security model relying on twitter client oauth tokens being secret
18:15<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, I was able to send tweets via Gwibber last night, and since then it has not been updated, and from what I can tell, neither has the Twitter API
18:17<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: if twitter no longer accepts the identity hardcoded into your copy of gwibber, that would break it. but i'd expect more bugs in launchpad...
18:17<sirpengi>it's just a sign that you should stop using twitter and move to
18:19<DephNet[Paul]>heh, its also a sign that whatever Ubuntu says it does NOT "just work"
18:19<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: my advice: revert to the non-PPA version, nuke any relevant configs/caches from your profile, and open a bug if the problem doesn't match a known bug
18:19<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, how do I revert?
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18:20<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: remove the ppa reference from your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get purge gwibber, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade (just 'cuz), apt-get install gwibber... that would kill 1.5 birds with one stone, leaving only .5 bird remaining to manually kill
18:22<DephNet[Paul]>and that .5 bird is delete the gwibber configs?
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18:24<DephNet[Paul]>or, check the Gwibber config, and click "Send Messages" in there >.<
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18:26<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: nod... not sure where it would all be, unfortunately, but ~/.cache/gwibber/ and the /apps/gwibber/* gconf keys would probably do it
18:26<Luizg>hmm. < will linode now have to record every TCP header/URL/email headers for traffic to/from the UK DC?
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18:27<dominikh>oh bloody great that I want to host my VPS in London
18:27<DephNet[Paul]>well, if this has fixed the no sending messages issue, then I am all good
18:27<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: rule of thumb with ubuntu: if you can't find your exact problem at, it's just you
18:28<spkitty>various uk governments have been planning to introduce stuff like that for years now
18:28<spkitty>we'll see what happens if it happens
18:28<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, isnt that the rule of thumb with Linux in general?
18:28<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: generally yes :-)
18:29<DephNet[Paul]>Luizg, I believe that just refers to ISP's like BT
18:30<HoopyCat>who is transporting e-mail in the clear?
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18:31<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, everyone that uses any ISP's mail servers
18:31<Luizg>everyone :| no one I talk to uses encrypted email
18:31<DephNet[Paul]>and if you are on BT, then you *have* to use their mail servers, as they block all connections on port 25
18:32<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: it's TLS from my computer to gmail
18:32<spkitty>if you're on BT that's your own fault
18:32<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, same here
18:32<Ovron>gpg ftw
18:32<HoopyCat>who is sending e-mail from their MUA to port 25?
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18:32<DephNet[Paul]>spkitty, good job I do not use BT
18:32<spkitty>same here
18:32<HoopyCat>Ovron: doesn't encrypt the headers
18:33<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, BT block all ports, apart from 25 and 443
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18:33<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: 80 and 443 you mean?
18:33<Ovron>HoopyCat: I am not that very bothered about those, personally. I can see it being sensitive in certain cases though. (but yes, mail at work is encrypted both in connection, and content)
18:33<DephNet[Paul]>yes, whoops
18:33<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: that'd suck for working from home
18:34<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, when I was forced to use BT, I set up a VPN, so that I *could* work from home
18:34<spkitty>HoopyCat: anybody needing ports other than 80 and 443 knows not to chose BT if at all possible :v
18:34<HoopyCat>DephNet[Paul]: can you pay extra to get a connection to the internet? :-)
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18:35<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, from BT? they try their hardest to not give you one
18:36<HoopyCat>anyway, if that law comes to pass, make sure you comply with it
18:36<spkitty>inlaws have BT, it seems like it gets slower and slower each time we visit
18:36<spkitty>i am certain they are throttling it
18:36<DephNet[Paul]>we were on an "unlimited" package with BT and they cut us of because we had used "too much traffic"
18:37<Ovron>Linode should host up nodes in sweden, stockholm has a nice telecity datacenter, brand spanking new ;)
18:37<DephNet[Paul]>spkitty, BT do pretty drasticly
18:37<spkitty>yeah, figured
18:37<HoopyCat>i'm thinking linode needs a datacenter in rochester, myself
18:37<dominikh>Ovron: wasn't Sweden the country where all traffic coming/going to other countries is monitored/logged?
18:37<Ovron>dominikh: seriously taken out of proportion by the tinfoil people
18:37<DephNet[Paul]>HoopyCat, I am thinking they need one in Yeovil, I will be the security guard, they can pay me in Linodes :P
18:37<dominikh>I take that as a yes
18:38<Ovron>It is no different than any other country, except sweden has declared that such is the case.
18:38<dominikh>oh yeah, *that* makes it not so bad
18:38<Ovron>If you don't think your government is keeping tabs on the tubes, then you are living in a bubble.
18:40<HoopyCat>if the feds want to monitor any e-mail traffic my ISP can see, go right on ahead... let me know if there's anything of value in there
18:41<Ovron>I am just not so much for the whole tinfoil hat conspiracy about big brother watching you all. If you want things to be secure between point A and point B, use encryption. But that's me.
18:44<sidd>this one should be an easy way to use wordpress without ftp to install themes?
18:44<dominikh>use the default theme!
18:45<HoopyCat>if the feds ARE monitoring my e-mail traffic through my ISP, they're probably terrified of my gargantuan and perpetually turgid manhood, dozens of doctorates and masters degrees, and negative weight
18:45<bob2>do you mean 'best way to let the web interface write executable code in to your web root'? ;p
18:45<sidd>not at all bob
18:45<Ovron>HoopyCat: Very valuable data to store in their store for sure.
18:46<sidd>if i could install the theme by just uploading the files that'd be kinda cool too
18:46<sidd>but i'm kinda new to wordpress
18:46<sidd>so a straight answer'd be somewhat appreciated
18:46<sidd>already did
18:46<sidd>let me go stuff my face into it again
18:46<bob2>you can just copy the files
18:46<sidd>thats all i needed to know
18:46<HoopyCat>Ovron: and with regards encryption: use encryption whenever possible, not just when required
18:46<bob2>with sftp or scp or by downloading the tarball on your server
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18:47<bob2>unpack to wp-content/themes/ iirc
18:47<bob2>(sorry for misreading your question)
18:47<Ovron>HoopyCat: Yeap. It is very difficult though. I (almost) always sign my emails, even when the email is not sensitive, and not only once have I received a reply that my email was foobar.
18:48<Ovron>HoopyCat: Last time was from my ISP's support dept, which made me chuckle.
18:48<HoopyCat>Ovron: this very line i am typing is encrypted all the way to the netherlands, excepting the processing that occurs within my linode's brain
18:49<Ovron>HoopyCat: I havn't set up irssi to use client certs for oftc yet, perhaps I should. ^^
18:49<HoopyCat>Ovron: it's worth the price
18:49<HoopyCat>afk, food
18:49<Ovron>I should also restart irssi. Didn't started screen with -U and certain things are garbled. *shakes fist*
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18:52<Talman>What is an "arsebandit?"
18:53<arsebandit>just a nickname ))
18:53<arsebandit>nothing personal
18:54<straterra>It's also a term used for homosexuals
18:54<straterra>At least, where I come from it is.
18:54<HoopyCat>not that there's anything wrong with that
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18:55<arsebandit>strattera you right, but it does refer to me ))
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18:56<HoopyCat>that said, "arse" is particularly british, and i think over there, they use "cigarettes"
18:56<straterra>I see what you did there
18:57<straterra>and god help me..I'm installed the iOS SDK to write an iphone app :/
18:58<bob2>help is beyond even god now
18:58<Ovron>Turtleneck army will be at your door shortly.
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19:09<GLaDOSDan>And ops around?
19:10<@jed>GLaDOSDan: how can I be of service
19:11<GLaDOSDan>I was just reading around, and I read a forum post from 2008 which quoted caker saying a more affordable storage was on it's way
19:11<GLaDOSDan>Any news on that?
19:11<GLaDOSDan>I don't currently have a Linode myself (though I've used several before), just wondering what the current GB/Month prices are
19:12<GLaDOSDan>The prices are there? :o
19:12<@jed>what comes with the plan, and:
19:12<linbot>Available Add-ons: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP: $ 1 per IP/month. To add extras:
19:12<Ovron>HoopyCat: well, that took less time than expected... now what. *is bored*
19:12<GLaDOSDan>Ah, that's better than $7/gb/m
19:13<@jed>you're welcome :)
19:15<Ovron>Ah, now to haxx irssi to allow binding certain channels/windows to certain alt+key combos, even if there's less rooms.
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19:16<bob2> /bind blah /j -server oftc #linode
19:17<Ovron>Well, that was easier than expected, as well. Didn't know that /j an already joined channel brings it up instead. Thanks!
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19:19<bob2>ah, yeah, it is handy for when you forget where your windows are
19:19<GLaDOSDan>Oh, the other question I had was: What % is refunded if you refund within the 7 days of buying the node?
19:20<GLaDOSDan>Oh, awesome
19:20<GLaDOSDan>I thought it was like 90% or so, sweet
19:20<bob2>"7 day money back guarantee"
19:20<GLaDOSDan>Yeah, I just had something lodged in my head that it was 90%
19:21<@mikegrb>mmm cake
19:21<bob2>the dollare bills might be worth only 90c after mikegrb gets cake all over them
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19:22<GLaDOSDan>Alright, thanks for the swift responses.
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19:26<linbot>New news from forums: Trying to do high availability in General Discussion <>
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19:36<akerl>Ok, so I'm trying to setup a personal forward proxy in apache. I've got it running, locked down to my ip, using mod_proxy and proxy_connect to serve http and https. But I'd like all data between the proxy and my computer to be SSL, is there a way to use apache SSL on my proxy?
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19:37<bob2>this is a hard way to do it
19:37<bob2>ssh -D is a lot less work
19:37<bob2>but you can make this proxy vhost of yours use SSL (ie SSLEngine on)
19:38<akerl>The problem is that I'd like to be able to use it from work, and theres no ssh on those computers
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19:38<akerl>and I've tried using SSLEngine, but whenever I turn it on, the proxy won't load anything
19:38<bob2>I don't know if any of the above will work with https
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19:41<akerl> My config and the error in firefox.
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19:42<bob2>no need for servername
19:42<bob2>and you need to tell firefox it is a https proxy
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19:43<akerl>The only way I can see to do that is to enter it as an SSL proxy. Which works fine without the SSLEngine line, but breaks as soon as I turn it on
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19:48<encode>wouldn't it be easier to just download putty/plink? (assuming windows)
19:49<encode>ericoc: humour fail
19:49<@ericoc>encode: awww
19:49<@ericoc>encode: i'm sorry :p had a long day
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19:50<akerl>it would be. and it looks like that's what'll end up happening. i was just hoping for an alternative other than downloading software. but an hour of fiddling and googling hasnt turned up much
19:51<Ovron>putty and all other accompanying programs don't even require install, so they are just nice. I've dropped them into my windows directory, and they just sit there happily.
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19:59<marius>so I'm running at 108% cpu usage
19:59<marius>non stop between 100-110 isn't good...
19:59<marius>I blame it on minecraft being java!
19:59<HoopyCat>PROTIP: All of your system's software was produced by spasming sacks of warm, damp meat. If it even compiles, it's a miracle of cosmic proportions.
19:59<dominikh>I was about to say "sounds about right for minecraft"
20:00<CompWizdr>marius: drop out of warp.. FTL processing is hard on the cpu!
20:00<marius>CompWizdr: what?
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20:00<hobot>faster than light
20:01<CompWizrd>oh yeah, of all the things wrong with my statement, we get hung up on the FTL part? :P
20:03<encode>marius: it would be better to blame it on minecraft being in alpha and not even feature complete yet
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20:04<cream_cheese_money>hey guys can anyone here help me with GMAIL MX records?
20:04<marius>encode: it would, except it's been in alpha quite a while xD
20:04<encode> the guy has been developing it single handedly
20:04<marius>It eats ram and cpu like a hungry hungry hippo
20:04<encode>it's not unexpected
20:04<marius>he could ahve made it in C !
20:05<encode>if he did that, it probably wouldn't even have a gui yet
20:05<encode>but at least it would run fast
20:05<cream_cheese_money>im adding google MX records to let gmail run on my domain, and I add MX records but gmail's telling me their incorrect
20:06<cream_cheese_money>for example, one MX record is:
20:06<cream_cheese_money>Hostname: ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM
20:06<encode>marius: I think he has the priorities fairly right. Get people hooked, complete the gameplay, then optimise for a wider range of hardware
20:06<cream_cheese_money>Priority: 10
20:06<cream_cheese_money>Subdomain: (null)
20:06<cream_cheese_money>TTL: default
20:06<cream_cheese_money>Google says to put a "." period after the hostname but Linode won't allow me to
20:06<marius>encode: sure, except right now it's at "get people hooked. Spend months in business meetings without updates" :P
20:06<Ovron>You don't have to, it is done for you in the zone file cream_cheese_money.
20:07<marius>He also needs to find a more stable and reliale hsot for
20:07<marius>because it's down like once or twice a week
20:07<Ovron>It is apparently under attack, or was so, earlier today.
20:07<cream_cheese_money>that guy who made minecraft banks like $300k a day
20:07<marius>and there's no way I'm chucking my server into insecure mode to get on it, that's just stupid
20:07<marius>cream_cheese_money: something liek that
20:07<marius>he made 17m euros in the first month
20:07<HoopyCat>cream_cheese_money: i believe the dot is added automatically
20:08<cream_cheese_money>HoopyCat: yeah you're right, i checked zonefile it is added by default
20:08<bob2>cream_cheese_money: what's the domain? linode's dns thing adds the dot magically if it looks like a fqdn
20:08<HoopyCat>cream_cheese_money: has photographs and loose prose
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20:10<marius>It's jus awesome how it's using so much CPU just merely running the server, nobody is on it playing since...well, since minecraft.nt is down and nobody can login
20:10<cream_cheese_money>Garry's Mod
20:10<cream_cheese_money>rube goldberg
20:10<HoopyCat>(afk, returning grind to nosestone)
20:10<Ovron>The game requires you to login to his service, while playing on your own servers?
20:10<cream_cheese_money>anyone play Halo Reach here?
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20:11<Talman>I don't even put my ID in.
20:11<marius>Ovron: It requires you to login through his site to authenticate
20:11<Talman>I just let it fail and roll "Play offline."
20:11<marius>Talman: yeah, but can't get on my server that way :P
20:12<marius>unless I chuck it into insecure mode, but then anyone can get on it if they want, which is begging for griefers
20:12<Talman>I have an editor, and through experimentantion I learned that obsidian can contain an explosion.
20:12<marius>and anyone could claim any username, meaning admin etc could be used by others
20:12<marius>it can?
20:13<Talman>I put down a layer of obsidian.
20:13<Talman>Put a 2x wall around the floor which was 1x deep.
20:13<Talman>Ran redstone dust as a fuse, threw the switch, and ran like a mofo.
20:13<marius>single block of tnt?
20:13<Talman>Obsidian was still there when I watched the nuke.
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20:14<Talman>Hehe, no. 6x6x1 block.
20:14<marius>oooh, nice
20:14<Talman>I was testing how to make autodestruct systems for my sky tower.
20:14<marius>But what do I do with this cpu thing, I mean, lookign at the actual nodei t says only 6.1% is in use
20:14<linbot>New news from forums: basic problem with Apache virtual host in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
20:15<marius>the awesome bit is yo ucan use redstone as "exterior design" if you do it right so it looks like a cool pattern of red
20:15<Talman>Heh yeah.
20:15<Talman>You can use 2x stair bricks for tile floors.
20:15<marius>Cpu(s): 14.1%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 85.9%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
20:15<marius>top - 00:15:36 up 23:57, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
20:15<marius>top - 00:15:36 up 23:57, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
20:15<cream_cheese_money>stop spamming geek talk marius
20:15<marius>whoops, didn'tm ean to paste that twice
20:15<cream_cheese_money>we don't like your kind
20:16<cream_cheese_money>marius: j/k ... but seriously go back to making DOC -> HTML -> PDF converters
20:16<marius>notch needs toa dd support for placing stuff upside down
20:16<marius>like redstone on the roof, lanterns in the roof
20:16*Ovron rips hair out
20:16<marius>Ovron: been there...
20:16*cream_cheese_money lights hair on fire.... oh that smels
20:16<marius>try .docx interpriters...
20:17<Talman>I have one normal save and one hacked save.
20:17<marius>wow, 2am
20:17<Talman>You know, enough blocks to create a sky tower that shall pierce the heavens.
20:17<Ovron>I am now using Apache FOP for PDF generation from articles. Works fine, just wish it could handle floating containers, that text could wrap around.
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20:18<marius>I use FPDF for generatign PDF's
20:18<marius>it's quite good
20:18<cream_cheese_money>i use your mom, she loads up each doc and then saves/export as PDF
20:18<marius>Talman: hacked save for skytower due to z-limits ?
20:19<Talman>No, haven't done that yet.
20:19<linbot>New news from forums: Virtual Hosting Issues in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
20:20<Talman>Mainly just getting a bunch of blocks via save game editor so that there's not a pit straight to hell next to the site.
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20:20<Talman>"Site B," where the TNT testing was conducted, though, looks like someone's been bombing the place.
20:20<Ovron>heh, funny that post. He blanked out his IP address, but provided the domain.
20:20<BarkerJr>jed: it's a real pain to --without everything in apache
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20:21<Talman>Its his domain registrar.
20:21<Talman>Here's what I see.
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20:22<BarkerJr>how do you disable proxy_connect_module in ./configure ?
20:22<Ovron>tried ./configure help? :>
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20:23<BarkerJr>yes, it only has --enable-proxy-connect
20:23*Talman wants to know what words google will filter out of a domain.
20:23<Talman>google apps won't take his domain.
20:23<BarkerJr>I wonder as well
20:26<marius>I think it's the "my" part of mydomain
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20:38<blognewb>Hey guys any linode wordpress enthusiasts? what is the best practice followed when you want to change the front page of the site similar to this site:
20:39<marius>make your own style for it .3
20:40<sirpengi>ask them nicely for their theme source codes
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20:47<Talman>Create the front page in PHP, and load the wordpress category view in?
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20:47<Talman>That's what I used to do before I used Joomla. Create each page in HTML/pHP and then use wp calls to load news and stuff.
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20:54<marius>you basically jsut write the page, and for everything you know wordpress has, throw in __WORDPRESS_WHATEVER or something, I'm not sure what clals wordpress uses
20:55<sirpengi>no, I'm pretty sure it's __WORDPRESS_WHATEVER
20:55<sirpengi>their api is clean and concise like that
20:56<spkitty>all you need to know about wordpress is THE LOOP
20:56<spkitty>oh wait, front page ... that doesn't even matter then
20:57<marius>yeah, I love me some wordpress
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21:04<marius>cops can be stupid
21:04<marius>sptraying soem guys back head with pepper spray is NOT the way to put him down
21:04<dominikh>yummy, head with salt and pepper
21:04<dominikh>maybe the cop was a zombie
21:04<marius>cops is a fun show
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21:06<Ovron>now thats a long hostname
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21:16<marius>Diagnosis Murder on tv! :D
21:16<Ovron>Monk > that
21:16<tjfontaine>D. Van D. FTW
21:18<marius>omg, Iv'e never seen this episode
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21:20<marius>I'm tempted to compile his thing, but make it go to another website, open a browser page and display the users username and 1st adn last char of their apssword to show how stupid they are to use it :P
21:20<jtc>Hello, I am on ubuntu. What's the command to see how long apache has been up? or when's the last time it restarted?
21:20<marius>wrong channel for me, haha
21:20<marius>ps aux | grep apache
21:20<marius>jtc ^
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21:21<jtc>it gave a long list
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21:21<jtc>what do i look for?
21:21<jtc>there's one column that says 01:20
21:22<jtc>that's the time it was started?
21:22<marius>to the far right
21:22<marius>before "apache"
21:22<marius>there's a time and a date
21:23<jtc>www-data 8816 1.0 0.4 64728 7572 ? S 01:20 0:00 /usr/sbin/apach e2 -k start
21:23<icez>1:20 UTC
21:24<Ovron>you probably want to look at the process running as root
21:24<Ovron>and not the workers
21:25<jtc>ic ok
21:25<jtc>is there a way to set the time when the log rotates?
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21:25<jtc>and does apache need to be restarted for the log file to rotate?
21:26<icez>jtc, /etc/logrotate.conf
21:26<jtc>let me take a look
21:26<tharkun>jtc: man logrotate
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21:29<jtc>ah ok found the answer.
21:29<jtc>tks guys!
21:31<mdgrech>need help auto updating site on svn commit. I have the following in repo/hooks/post-commit.tmpl
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21:41<mwalling>straterra: pingzors
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21:46<mdgrech>does anyone know of a good tutorial for auto updating my site when i commit using subversion?
21:46<tjfontaine>there are a couple ways, but you could use a post commit hook, though really I would suggest git over svn
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21:47<tjfontaine>with git you could keep a webserver local branch with webserver/release specific information
21:47<tjfontaine>so your source control will have staging database credentials stored, but your webserver could keep production
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22:00<sirpengi>mdgrech: you seem to be missing the shebang on top of that file. also, is it chmod'ed executable and also by whatever listens to svn commits?
22:03<marius>I've always wondered what "the shebang" means, it it the #! line?
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22:06<Ovron>also refered to as hasbang
22:06<encode>oh dear. Just watched engadget's video of the 11" MBA and I have an irrational desire for one
22:06<@Perihelion>cillit bang
22:07<@jed>BarkerJr: I didn't --without, I used a2dismod
22:09<tjfontaine>encode: it's not irrational
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22:09<encode>tjfontaine: it is if I already have a netbook
22:09<encode>and a mortgage
22:09<@jed>but it's a laptop
22:09<encode>and a MBP
22:10<encode>and ... ok, I'm out of excuses. <Clicks Buy>
22:10<encode>tjfontaine: do you own apple stock?
22:10<tjfontaine>phy stock
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22:11<encode>phy stock?
22:11<tjfontaine>physical stock
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22:12<encode>as in apple products?
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22:16<christopherbull>hey guys, is someone able to help me with an AWstats htaccess problem?
22:17<Ovron>just ask
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22:18<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
22:19<christopherbull>I have AWStats setup for my domain but the traffic isn't getting through because the framework i'm using (SilverStripe) has a master .htaccess file that sends everythign to its manifest so i'm wanting to know what the rewrite setting for a .htaccess file would be in order to make an execption to make an exclusions for domain/ask_statz
22:19<christopherbull>sorry about before btw
22:20<christopherbull>RewriteRule ^ask_statz$ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ [L] - i've tried this, but i'm not sure what the second argumet for AWstats shoudl be
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22:21<bob2>'RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/awstats/' will exclude it
22:22<bob2>assuming you mapped /awstats in to your virtualhost
22:22<christopherbull>yeah done that
22:22<christopherbull>ok i'll try
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22:26<christopherbull>that didn't seem to work
22:26<christopherbull>'RewriteRule .* sapphire/main.php?url=%1&%{QUERY_STRING} [L]' this is the final rule in the file if that helps
22:27<sirpengi>might be easier to pastebin the whole .htaccess, or at least all the rewrite rules in there
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22:31<sirpengi>I keep forgetting whether you need the leading / in the path
22:31<sirpengi>I think you do...
22:31<Ovron>I think so too.
22:31<christopherbull>oh i took that out to check
22:31<christopherbull>it didn't work with it there either
22:31<sirpengi>so should be !^/ask_statz
22:32<sirpengi>I guess the other thing is, what does the virtualhost definition in apache look like?
22:34<christopherbull> virtual host def
22:35<sirpengi>the awstats install doc has you putting Aliases to the awstats cgi-bin(an other) directories
22:35<sirpengi>where are those?
22:36<christopherbull>the custom config or the virtual thing?
22:36<sirpengi>you just did a pastebin of the virtual host didn't you?
22:37<sirpengi>I dunno, wherever it is that you've mapped /ask_statz to the awstats binaries
22:37<christopherbull>yup this is it, from conf.d in /etc/apache2
22:39<sirpengi>so it didn't work in that awstats didn't show up, or that it's still being rewritten to silverstripe?
22:40<christopherbull>still being rewritten to SS at the moment, showing a SS page not found
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22:41<Bhavicp>Anyone ever setup a VPN on Windows server 2008 by any chance? I've managed to create it, and i can connct to it, but it seems to assign a private IP, which means i can't access the internet through it.
22:41<sirpengi>christopherbull: what's the current state of .htaccess?
22:42<amitz>hmmm google no longer allowed turning off google search?
22:42<sirpengi>christopherbull: (with trailing /) leads to Forbidden
22:42<amitz>I meant, location based google search?
22:42<christopherbull>i had never tried that perhaps it is working
22:42<christopherbull>on awstats there is an .htaccess
22:43<christopherbull>with .htpasswd
22:43<sirpengi>well, you need a <Directory "/usr/lib/cgi-bin/"> directive with rules to allow access/script execution
22:44<sirpengi>I don't think the .htaccess by itself is enough
22:44<christopherbull>where do i need that?
22:44<christopherbull>in the virtual host?
22:45<sirpengi>honestly I'm not certain
22:45<sirpengi>but I'd try in the virtual host first
22:45<christopherbull>ok will do
22:46<christopherbull>is the script alias not enough?
22:46<christopherbull>or should that be within the directory tag
22:46<sirpengi>I'm getting my info from that first section
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22:51<sirpengi>darn git, never remember how to make a new remote repo
22:51<sirpengi>*remote branch that is
22:54<sirpengi>oh right, git push origin origin:refs/heads/new_feature_name
22:54<sirpengi>that was so obvious
22:57<Ovron>hg <3
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23:01<Nivex>OOM killer rewrite in 2.6.36
23:04<Ovron>The kernel irc channel has to be the most unfriendly place on the planet.
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23:04<avenj>Ovron: I don't think it's in detroit
23:05<avenj>they'll have to settle for 2nd
23:05<Ovron>tjfontaine: Not sure which one it would be ;) That one sounds harmless though.
23:05<Ovron>avenj: harsh ;)
23:05<tjfontaine>Ovron: it's on the important network
23:06<Ovron>would that start with a free and end with a node?
23:06<tjfontaine>fuck no
23:06<tjfontaine>on this one.
23:07<Ovron>Only 187 nicks, weak ;)
23:07<avenj>freenode is very important. who else would make oftc look awesome all the time?
23:07*avenj looks around
23:07*avenj hides
23:08<tjfontaine>avenj: <3
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23:10<amitz>does ipad have the capability to be an accesspoint by installing any app from apple market? <- I'm arguing in internet :-p
23:10<Ovron>I've only recently started to lurk on IRC; mostly been in game-related channels on quakenet before that.
23:10<Ovron>amitz: I know that there is one for the iphone which makes you able to tether via wifi, not sure about ipad.
23:10<A-KO>only recently?
23:10<Ovron>A-KO: yeap.
23:10<A-KO>I've lurked on IRC for about....
23:11<A-KO>14 years now
23:11<A-KO>I'm 26....
23:11<Ovron>23 here.
23:11*encode is -5326. And he's been in IRC channels for 10 million years
23:12<encode>somewhere along the line $age must have overflowed
23:12<A-KO>no amitz, I don't think it does. AT&T is very anal about the whole tethering thing.
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23:12<Ovron>I should add, the app that does that, requires a jailbroken iphone - which kind of filters it out by your request :p
23:14<Ovron>Ah, modern browsers, how I love thee. 2.2 GB RAM used, 4 tabs open.
23:14*Ovron sets links2 as default browser
23:14<A-KO>as long as you've got the ram :P
23:15<A-KO>os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7600) 64-bit up: 1hr 23mins 50secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz at 2333MHz (56% Load) ram: 1886 / 8190MB (23.03%) [||--------] gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB hdd: Free Space: 709.86GB/2.8TB System Temp: SpeedFanC CPU Temp: SpeedFanC GPU Temp: SpeedFan
23:15<Ovron>On windows, it is bad. It starts trashing the swap, and firefox and chrome think all the ram is available to them for some reason.
23:15<A-KO>how little ram do you have?
23:15<A-KO>If you're on 4GB or less, you gotta upgrade son :P
23:15<A-KO>It's not like 4GB of ram costs a lot these days
23:15<Ovron>24GB on my workstation.
23:16<A-KO>and you're having ram problems?
23:16<Ovron>But, that does not stop windows with swapping.
23:16<A-KO>Windows' swapping is often times for different reasons. What you should test is the Page Reads/sec counter.
23:16<A-KO>If that counter is off the charts
23:16<A-KO>you've got some issues
23:16<Ovron>No, not problems - it just annoys me. :D
23:16<A-KO>Page Reads/sec and Page Faults/sec combined. If both are high and steady, you've got issues.
23:17<gilaniali>is there a library article for configuring public key based access to your server
23:17<Ovron>There is.
23:17<A-KO>it's very easy gilaniali :)
23:17<gilaniali>Ovron: can I have the link?
23:17<Ovron>gilaniali: Perhaps! Give me a moment.
23:17<A-KO>Essentially, just turn it on in your sshd_config file, optionally disable password auth (preferably), and make sure in each user's home directory under .ssh there's an authorized_keys file with the public key of the user/device :P
23:18<A-KO>If you're on Windows, generate a public/private keypair with puttygen
23:18<A-KO>in authorized_keys, each key needs to be on its own line
23:18<gilaniali>A-KO: I am on Mac OS X
23:19<A-KO>should be able to use openssh to generate a public/private keypair :P
23:19<A-KO>or rather, openssl
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23:19<gilaniali>A-KO: where is the sshd_config file located
23:19<A-KO>usually /etc/openssh
23:19<A-KO>or /etc/ssh
23:19<Ovron>You know what, here,
23:19<gilaniali>A-KO: I do have a public/private key in place, but it requires my pass
23:19<Ovron>The search on the library is mocking me
23:19<gilaniali>Ovron: it mocked me too
23:19<A-KO>If you use a public/private key pair and disable password auth, it's not an issue. You also might want to put a password on the private key file.
23:21<Ovron>Although the recommendation there to disable passwordauthentication before having tested the keys is a bit herp derp
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23:23<gilaniali>Ovron: both links say that i need to turn off PasswordAuth, and it will automatically switch to keybased login
23:23<Ovron>Yes, but test your keys before turning it off if this is your first time doing it.
23:24<Ovron>If you forget to chmod the authorized_keys file or the containing directory, sshd will whine in the log and not accept login based on it
23:24<Ovron>And then, if lish didn't exist, you would have been screwed a bit. With lish, it isn't a real problem, but still unnecessary ;)
23:26<Ovron>If I am incomprehendable at the moment, I am sorry. The volume of this lovely scotch bottle got drained more than intended.
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23:27<gilaniali>Ovron: how do I test the keys
23:27<Ovron>You try logging in with them, using your client on your local computer.
23:27<gilaniali>Ovron: and the command to chmod is : chmod +x authorized_keys?
23:27<Ovron>You want it chmod 600, and the directory 700.
23:27<amitz>A-KO: Ovron: ah, as I suspected.
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23:28<Ovron>amitz: Just like they (try to) block Skype and other VoIP applications to be used with their "unlimited" data plans.
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23:31*Ovron om nom noms some ardbeg
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23:38<Ovron>So, have you guys heard?
23:39<opello>heard what/
23:40<Ovron>Oh, have you not heard? It was my understanding that everyone had heard.
23:40<bob2>the word/
23:40<Ovron>is the
23:40<opello>bird is the word.
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23:48<amitz>Ovron: ah.
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23:55<amitz>wohooo, long time haven't seen, RC bugs is no only 277! Debian squeeze
23:56<Ovron>Is there any estimate when squeeze is going release?
23:56<amitz>Ovron: estimate? debian gives estimate? heh
23:57<Ovron>They are trying to. They are introducing squeeze early, as a preparation for a two-year release cycle.
23:57<amitz>well, they were planning a 11/2 year periodic release but...
23:57<amitz>oh, not 11/2 year?
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23:58<amitz>umm.. fwiwi, plenty of update in the last 12 hours.
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23:59<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's got so much feature creep, she supports regexps, themes, and Twitter. (772:6/0) [mmoru]
23:59<Ovron>amitz: I am on lenny, perhaps I should install a squeeze vm to check up on it, humm.
23:59<linbot>Ovron: Point (0.3492315997, 0.1801247509) is within the circle. Running total: 2144/2695 (pi is about 3.1821892393)
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