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---Logopened Wed Nov 03 00:00:09 2010
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00:11<linbot>Keith: Yo momma's so adjective, she verbed an adjective noun! (787:4/8) [momur]
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00:22<Keith>In that case,
00:22<linbot>Keith: Yo momma's so fat, we CAN believe she ate the whole thing! (735:1/5) [mourm]
00:32<Solver>this sentence no verb
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00:42<mister_m>the sherrif in this new amc zombie show makes like the WORST survival decisions ever
00:42<mister_m>"hey I will ride a horse into a major population center"
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00:49<Ovron>Oh, has that started airing?
00:49<Ovron>The Walking Dead is it?
00:49<mister_m>the first episode was on this sunday
00:49<Ovron>Worth a watch?
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00:50<blognewb>Huffington Post Election 2010: Levi Johnston Is New Mayor of Wasilla
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01:07<linbot>New news from forums: Something is killing my OpenVPN Connection in Linux Networking <>
01:07<mister_m>Ovron, yes I would say so.
01:08<Ovron>mister_m: sweet. Got a bit interested in it a while ago when I read they would be bringing out such a series. Will have to give it a go.
01:16<OvrLrd-Q>horse would be better then walking to a major population center
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01:51<jowizzle>hi all: does anyone have an ubuntu 10.10 kernel with XTS support (CONFIG_CRYPTO_XTS)?
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02:00<linbot>New news from forums: [FIXED] boot failure, ubuntu lucid in General Discussion <> || Debian+LIDS installation,SOS in General Discussion <>
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03:05<MTecknology>Is there anyone that understands basic finance that could help me very quickly in /query? I'm a tad lost and even more lost with where to find help.. :P
03:06<marius>Depends what it's about :P
03:07<marius>I did take some kinda finance 101 a couple years back
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03:08<G>I'm going to assume that there are a few/couple of ruby people here, out of interest what do you use for your dev environment (just curious)
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03:08<amitz>!ask ;-)
03:08<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
03:09<MTecknology>amitz: I assume that was for G.. I didn't want to spam the channel with non-linux questions
03:09<G>amitz: I'm not asking for topic experts, just what people themselves use
03:10<G>amitz: especially considering ruby rumble just happened
03:10<amitz>well, you guys remind me to a joke about accountant, bla, and mathematician :-p
03:10<panthar>... walk into a bar
03:11<MTecknology>marius: did you happen to get that pm?
03:11<G>panthar: depends where the bar is set ;)
03:11<amitz>well, I only remember the end part. The mathematician says they like to have both a wife and a mistress.
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03:12<amitz>Because the wife will think he is with the mistress, the mistress will think he is with the wife, and he can stay in the office to do mathematic :-p
03:15<MTecknology>FRIX YA
03:18<chesty>amitz: I heard that one recently
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03:21<amitz>chesty: you tempted me to google it, finally got it. Here is the complete version for the benefit of others:
03:22<amitz>this is quite comprehensive.
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03:27<amitz>hmm firefox has (or had) the option to show components of a page that aren't encrypted. Hmm.. can't find the option in google chrome.
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03:30<chesty>chrome tells you if a page isn't entirely loaded over ssl
03:32<amitz>chesty: unfortunately, only that. I was hoping I can check if they actually encrypt the password or it's just a formality. Twitter does partial encryption.
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03:33<chesty>look at the login form submit url
03:33<chesty>also look at the authentication cookie, see if it's secure only
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03:44<amitz>ooh, I notice a reference to what seemingly to be "secure only" field. But it's not visible from google chrome, it seems I may have to look at the sqlite of chrome cookie directly.
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03:47<amitz>or you people are voting today!
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03:49<amitz>s/today/sometime this month/
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03:56<gnot>hello, could anyone please tell me how to change to paying per year?
03:56<gnot>i don't see any options to make such a change in my account...
03:57<marius>Open a ticket
03:57<marius>and it'll be o nthe next payment cycle
03:57<gnot>ah this is how it works. Thank you
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04:59<dcraig>I've had enough of win98 for one night!
05:01<dcraig>we have a lot of old computers connected to old instruments, and one such old computer has a drive that is going bad
05:02<dcraig>it makes this cute clunking sound about 90% of the time when you turn on the computer
05:02<dcraig>but then 10% of the time it doesn't, and it actually boots
05:03<marius>good times
05:03<marius>It's fun when you get Win98 and it needs to read a memorystick
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05:04<marius>consdiering Win98 can't read anything 512mb or above
05:04<dcraig>it had been a long time since I ever had to think about msdos.sys
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05:05<dcraig>the only thing that got me through all this is that the person who set this system up 10 years ago actually made the windows directory c:\winblows\
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05:05<dcraig>that's comedy gold
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05:06<dcraig>I don't have to worry about memory sticks because this computer doesn't have usb ports
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05:08<marius>I was helpin my dad, they use some huge water cutters adn stuff, and they ALL run Win98SE
05:09<marius>so you had to ues some 3rd party patch just to let it read memory sticks that were 512MB, and it took me 2 days to track down someone selling such small sticks in this day and age
05:09<dcraig>yeah, I was surprised that win98 apparently recognizes all 80 GB of the new drive
05:09<dcraig>the old drive was around 3 GB
05:11<marius>you made it recognize 80GB?
05:11<marius>I struggled to make WinME recognize 60
05:11<dcraig>I didn't do anything
05:11<dcraig>all I know is windows explorer says something like "71 GB free"
05:12<dcraig>but the fdisk thing seemed to indicate that the partition size was like 10 GB
05:12<dcraig>so it's an open question, I guess
05:14<dcraig>my original plan was to boot from a livecd and just use dd to clone the drive, but that didn't work (I think the old drive crapped out about halfway through)
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05:15<dcraig>so I created a bootable floppy with the win98, fdisk, and format on it, and used that to format a new drive
05:15<dcraig>and then I used the livecd to copy all the files from the old drive to the new drive
05:15<dcraig>and that seems to work
05:15<dcraig>win98 starts up from the new drive and you can do stuff
05:16<marius>What more can you ask for? :D
05:16<dcraig>not much
05:17<dcraig>according to google, win98 SE can handle up to a 137 GB drive
05:17<dcraig>so how awesome is that
05:17<dcraig>what an OS!
05:18<dcraig>now how can I run win98 on my linode!?
05:18<marius>wtf, since when o_O
05:18<marius>Back in my days it couldn't handle anything above 40
05:18<marius>...I feel old now =(
05:19<dcraig>I seem to remember that the SE version of win98 got all kinds of cool stuff
05:19<marius>yeah, it was the equivilant of a Win* Pro release these days
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05:27<Ephialtes>hey guys
05:27<Ephialtes>what's the best repo for an up to date php for centos?
05:27<bob2>what version do you need?
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05:34<Ephialtes>any thoughts, bob2?
05:34<bob2>no, sorry
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05:34<Ephialtes>thanks, i'll ask a bit later
05:36<bob2>epel's the obvious one but i guess you already tried that
05:36<Ephialtes>yeah i think the centos/epel repos are pretty outdated
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06:20<amitz>marius: thank you! that's probably why I can't install windows 98... (too large of a hard drive)
06:20<A-KO>Voters have the opportunity to change the state's official name from "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations" to just "Rhode Island." < and this is how stupid people in the US are
06:20<A-KO>they voted no
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06:22<marius>amitz: just don't try ot force it like I did
06:22<marius>it took my 80GB hdd (which was HUGE at that time) and formatted to 30GB, and it was never possible to get back the missing 50GB, it literally removed it form the face of the earth
06:23<marius>I tried running various formatting tools after Xp etc came out that supported it, and they couldn't find the missing gigs either
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06:30<linbot>New news from forums: View StackScript Logs? in General Discussion <>
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06:36<A-KO>SpaceHobo: Well, you would think that an official name change for a state, to a name that everyone already refers to it as, which is also on their license plates, would be a pretty common sense change for them.
06:36<A-KO>Instead, people voted no to the idea, which makes no real sense
06:36<A-KO>because nobody calls it "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations", their initials aren't "RP" or "SRIPP"
06:39<Odious>Personally, I would prefer the traditional name.
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06:45<Odious>You could also view it as one big grow op.
06:45<chesty>i should probably do some reading, but does each state get a certain number of congressmen, and that was what was voted on?
06:46<bob2>same as au, each state gets N senators, congresspeople get allocated roughtly on pop
06:46<A-KO>SpaceHobo: There's also that, but either way, to me it's just common sense anyway. And think of all the money you'd save in taxes by not having to print those extra letters for the full word
06:47<bob2>1/3rd of senators and all of cp are up for election each two years
06:51<A-KO>the right wing really cracks me up
06:51<A-KO>they really think, god's honest truth, that if you took away welfare/social security/medicare, that people would "get jobs"
06:52<A-KO>that everyone would live in this happy world of everyone going to work
06:52<A-KO>At least, I would hope they're that stupid.
06:52<A-KO>The other side of the coin that they might be thinking is that they realize if they took that stuff, then you'd have a bunch of "brown lazy people" rioting--which would let them exercise their right to use their guns.
06:54<A-KO>Either way seems particularly retarded to me
07:01<G>gay australian police conspiracy?
07:03<G>bob2: US senate = 6 year term? interesting hadn't realised
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07:16<Ovron>pharaun: you here?
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07:24<marius>my boss printed that and gave ot me
07:31<encode>it's a bit true at times
07:32<encode>I know what it does from my comments, but I sometimes I don't remember why I did it that way
07:35<encode>that I would print out and pin at my desk, only most of my colleagues wouldn't know what obfuscate is
07:36<marius>well, my boss printed the 1st one I posted on a A2 page and posted above my head xD
07:36<encode>the fact that they've been spending weeks manually performing a process on workstations in an environment of 6000 workstations, without stopping to think if there was some way to automate the process
07:36<encode>should give you some idea of their level of (in)competence
07:38<marius>Good times
07:38<marius>only my boss would get the obfuscator joke
07:38<marius>me and him are the only ones that know any coding, the rest ahrdly know that websites consist of HTML
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07:38*encode wishes he worked with people like caker and mikegrb instead
07:38<marius>...which is frightening considering we're an IT firm
07:38<marius>Don't we all xD
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07:39<bigjocker>i don't
07:39<bigjocker>i wish they worked for me
07:39<marius>urmom wishes she worked for me
07:39<bob2>encode: /jobs
07:41<amitz>marius: well, it doesn't even install, but it's probably my kvm.
07:41<encode>bob2: if only they would hire me without requiring me to move to America
07:41<@irgeek>You could move to Canada and commute.
07:41<amitz>encode: what's so good about a desert anyway ;-)
07:42<encode>irgeek: that sounds even worse
07:42<encode>I happen to be quite fond of Sydney
07:42<bob2>there are good admin jobs in sydney
07:42<encode>it's only significant failing seems to be the lack of a linode office
07:43<amitz>are you by any chance art affocianido!
07:43<bob2>get on the various nerd job lists
07:43<amitz>i meant '?', habit from my last phone.
07:44<encode>amitz: was that a question for me? No, I'm not art.
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07:46<amitz>oh, i see encode. but yeah, i heard sydney a georgeous town to live in.
07:46<encode>wrong. Sydney isn't a town :P
07:47<encode>sydney has some pretty nice places, yeah
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07:49<G>Sydney... ewww come and live in a "Super City"
07:50<encode>it is super
07:53<amitz>it's just an anecdote but a friend says it's pretty racist though, the 'city' :-D
07:53<encode>as a generalisation, I wouldn't say it's overly racist
07:53<encode>some parts are, others not at all
07:54<encode>some parts are overly pretentious
07:55<amitz>will have to google the meaning of prentious later
07:57<G>encode: NZ now has the largest local body/council in Australasia and is hence apparently can now be classed as a 'Super City'
08:01<encode>hmm, ok. I'm not sure how that's a good thing, or why anyone would care
08:01<marius>a "Super City"!
08:01<amitz>a city where super heroes live!
08:01<G>marius: exactly
08:02<marius>amitz: YES!
08:02<bob2>city of brisbane has more people though
08:02<G>the "Super City" is so "Super" a call about an issue w/ the Library system was transfered 3 times (so four people) and then required a call back from a 5th person later in the day
08:02<G>the first person didn't even know how to spell 'eResources'
08:03<encode>that's because it's not a word
08:03<G>bob2: iirc the city limits are defined by the Local Authority limits iirc
08:03<G>encode: okay then, e-Resources :)
08:03<bob2>I lie, brisbane lga is smaller
08:04<encode>brisbane, meh. Canberra has more night life than Brisbane
08:04<G>bob2: what is thought to be 'Brisbane City' is much bigger (and tbh, I was shocked that 'Sydney City' wasn't bigger than the new Auckland City but meh
08:04<G>errr what I
08:05<bob2>sydney city is physically tiny even if it is fairly high density
08:05<encode>how are you defining 'Sydney City'?
08:05<G>encode: by population/size of the LA
08:05<bob2>brisbane has most of the city in one lga, which is unique in .au
08:06<encode>G: that's a pretty arbitrary way to define a city
08:06<G>encode: isn't everything arbitrary?
08:06<encode>some more so than others
08:06<G>personally I think it's a bad way to measure, but apparently thats how it's done
08:06<encode>population or land mass are more typically used to define the size of a city
08:07<G>bob2: you living in Brisbane?
08:07<bob2>no, sydney
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08:07<G>oh, just the way you were talking about Brisbane I thought you might've
08:08<G>I wonder if they've started building that ugly think near Roma Street yet
08:08<bob2>no, just from a much smaller town so was a bit surprised that most cities were split up into multiple small lgas for hysterical raisins
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08:12<amitz>interesting, 'i lie' is never a true statement, at a glance.
08:13<G>amitz: no because in that case you'd be telling the truth
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08:19<encode>G: no, because saying "I lie" doesn't mean you never lie or never tell the truth
08:20<encode>"I lie" doesn't preclude you from telling the truth
08:20<lucas_>Hello linoders, I`m a customer from Brazil and I want to talk to someone from linode... a commercial question, is there someone to talk?
08:21<lucas_>I just sent a email to linode, but see this irc channel, my question is: is any plan to you start servers in Brazil, if not can I help you to do so
08:22<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
08:23<@irgeek>lucas_: We're not planning on expanding into Brazil at the moment, but I'll make sure someone looks at your email.
08:24<lucas_>irgeek: great... anyway think to do it, vps market in brazil is pulsing and very hot. but companies here are almost amateurs
08:25<marius>Isn't everything in Brazil very hot? It's under the equator after all
08:26<lucas_>marius: it`s depend... where I live that isn't true :D
08:27<lucas_>I had some talk with four companies this weekend, and the fact is, if a pro company like linode, slicehost or others came here will bring down a lot of hosting companies here.
08:27<marius>Ahh, but imagine all the jobs that will be lost then
08:27<lucas_>marius: are you talking seriously?
08:28<marius>Yes and no
08:28<lucas_>well, not so many jobs
08:28<marius>If there's is a pulsating market with VPS providers and clients thre are lots of people employed to take care of the need
08:28<marius>If a large established cmpany moves in many jobs may be lost
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08:29<marius>Of course that ouwldn't usually be the first thing a company considers when evaluating new locations for expansion
08:29<JshWright>marius: probably best to avoid topics you're not terribly familiar with (such as climatology, and economics) ;p
08:29<mwalling>lucas_: remember the factoid that SpaceHobo triggered... only ops are employees
08:30<mwalling>lucas_: marius doesnt speek for linode (and i dont think he speeks for himself either some times)
08:30<lucas_>marius: you're right, but the scenario here is that many companies that a few months just sell shared hosting are selling vps now, but almost w/o knowlegdment of it
08:31<lucas_>mwalling: no problem, I'm aware of it, thx
08:31<marius>Of course I wasn't speaking for linode
08:31<marius>I was just blurting things out
08:31<marius>I do that a lot, it's kind of my thing when I'm stuck at something at work xD
08:32<lucas_>well, even if not so seriously talking here, all about hosting here are a problem
08:34<lucas_>going deep, linode can start simple with providing a location option in brazil when creating a new node, w/o local support or payments methods
08:35<marius>Let's move onto somethign a bit less "marius talking and being his usual moronc self" and look at my jQuery code that at the moment makes no sense at all :D
08:35<Yaakov>⌾ ⌾
08:36<marius>For some reason my jQuery only picks up 3 elements out of 7...despite the code beign identical for them all =(
08:37<marius>As seen by this lovely fiddle;
08:37<marius>Where "Textbox", "utforNchk" and "utforer" are the three being populated as intended
08:38<JshWright>that's not a fiddle?
08:38<marius>it's a jsfiddle :3
08:39<JshWright>A fiddle:
08:39<marius>But that ain't a javaascript fiddle
08:39<JshWright>my brother-in-law is a fiddle player... I know what a fiddle looks like... don't think you can't trick me so easily
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08:42<JshWright>SpaceHobo: no, Noah's fiddle:
08:42<mwalling>JshWright: that looks like a violin
08:42<JshWright>mwalling: lies!
08:47<JshWright>shut up linbot... I know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! isn't a command...
08:52*marius pets Perihelion
08:52<marius>hai :3
08:56<@Perihelion>Boys - is my milkshake better than Yaakov's?
08:56<marius>But I still ain't going to your yard
08:56<marius>that's a long ass commute.
08:58<Yaakov>I think, for proper parsing, that should be hyphenated.
09:00<Yaakov>No... just the wrong URL...
09:01<Yaakov>I was answering SpaceHobo.
09:01<Yaakov>Actually, it is a teeny, tiny anteater baby.
09:01<marius>Oh I see
09:01<Yaakov>AND Marius.
09:02<Yaakov>It seems that Marius is a teeny, tiny, precocious anteater baby.
09:02<@Perihelion>marius: I think Yaakov just called you a bitch
09:02<Yaakov>That's mikegrb after a 3-day coding marathon.
09:03<@Perihelion>That's pretty much my face right now.
09:03<marius>No, he called me small and cute.
09:03<@Perihelion>I'm convinced he was calling you small and insignificant.
09:04<Yaakov> <-- Not saying.
09:05<marius>aww look Perihelion, it's us!
09:07<@Perihelion>Ugh it's only Wednesday.
09:07<marius>I know =(
09:08<marius>I'm doing overtime again today
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09:26*mwalling misses the day when was a good site
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09:26<sinusss>hello guys
09:26<mwalling>how goes the djangoing?
09:26<sinusss>why is it that i get a buss error when i Vi Vim?
09:27<mwalling>because you're not using textmate?
09:27<sinusss>mwalling, im still configuring my ubuntu virtual box
09:29<sinusss>seriously though, i tried opening the apache conf in Vi and Vim but I can't. I get a bus error :P also i tried to create a text file using Vi on the desktop, same thing... not #Linode related but maybe you guys know why?
09:32<Yaakov>sinusss: I found your problem!
09:32<hawk>sinusss: Where is this happening? On a linode? On a local physical machine?
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09:32<sinusss>hawk on my virtualbox
09:32<sinusss>Yaakov, hah!
09:36<sinusss>any ideas?
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09:37<hawk>sinusss: To me it sounds like something is borked in your environment. Very unclear what, though. Vim isn't normally crash-prone in my experience, so I would spontaneously think it's not doing the bad memory access by itself.
09:38<sinusss>suggested remedy?
09:38<JshWright>A bus error?
09:38<sinusss>JshWright, while running vim on my virtualbox
09:38<sinusss>*not linode :P
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09:38<JshWright>Perhaps you mean a dbus error?
09:38<hawk>I think he means bus error
09:39<sinusss>Just "Bus error" without the quotes when I $vim test.txt or any file
09:39<hawk>(Which is kind of a related type of error to segfault)
09:40<sinusss>il try to remove vim / vi then install again
09:41<JshWright>hawk: yeah, it just seemed more likely that vim was choking on some missing dbus dependency
09:41<windsurfer>Do you get a bus error with any other text editors?
09:41<sinusss>windsurfer, nope. gedit works ok. pico as well - no problem
09:41<hawk>I wouldn't limit that question to text editors
09:41<windsurfer>I was just thinking it might have been hardware/filesystem...
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09:43<guy>I want to purchase a VPS
09:43<guy>are there any vouchers/coupon codes available for
09:43<marius>Nope, only referral codes
09:43<@Perihelion>There's a 10% discount if you prepay a year in advance
09:43<JshWright>guy: there are discounts for prepayment
09:44<@Perihelion>15% if you prepay for 2 years
09:44<JshWright>15% for two years
09:44<marius>20 for 3 ?
09:44<JshWright>too slow...
09:44<marius>Perihelion is prostalking IRC
09:44<@Perihelion>Pretty much.
09:44<JshWright>prepay for 20 years and it's free!
09:45<guy>anyone one to give me their referral code?
09:45<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909
09:45<marius>I need to get my code into that pool!
09:46<Nivex>marius: there is no pool. that's linbot's code :)
09:46<linbot>Why would you steal money from Linode when you didn't refer this person? ;_; (looking for a referral code? see !referral)
09:46<sinusss>tried to install vim again but got this error: W: Failed to fetch
09:46<sinusss> Could not resolve ''
09:46<sinusss>nothing nor fnorway
09:46<Ovron>no archive, it clearly tells you there is no archive
09:46<guy>and what is Promotion Code?
09:46<Nivex>sinusss: EWORKSFORME
09:47<pharaun>Ovron: what's up ?
09:47<bob2>it means "your network is misconfigured"
09:47<JshWright>guy: Linode does run promotions from time to time, but they're not that common
09:47<pharaun>Ovron: got highlited and you were asking if i was here
09:47<JshWright>the last one I know of was were people who stopped by their booth at a conference
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09:48<Ovron>pharaun: lian-li released a new case (a bit ago, didn't notice till now), PC-v2120 - it looks nice, and it fits the EVGA SR2 - just thought I'd tell you since we talked about it :p
09:48<pharaun>Ovron: oh nice, i like lian li :)
09:48<pharaun>most of my towers were all lian-li's
09:48<Ovron>link inc in query to you
09:49<pharaun>nice case
09:49<Ovron>it looks very sweet
09:49<pharaun>however again one of my issue is i converted over to rack mount system
09:49<pharaun>for ease of repair/replacement/etc (just pop out the server)
09:50<pharaun>so wish someone would go and make a rack :-p wish lian-li made rack cases
09:50<sinusss>has anyone tried using vbox for development (LAMP, django, etc)?
09:50<Ovron>Yeah, still, a very nice case
09:50<pharaun>it indeed is
09:50<pharaun>i'm a fan of lianli myself
09:51<pharaun>just wish they made rack cases :3
09:51<guy>When should I expect Linode to contact me?
09:51<pharaun>would be an epic win for me :-D
09:51<Ovron>a rack case with the same "design" as this case pharaun ... om nom nom
09:51<pharaun>indeed, let's see the size
09:51<JshWright>sinusss: I do a _ton_ of development with VBox
09:52<pharaun>rack is 482mm wide or so... so would need to restructure that case a bit, make it more "longer"
09:52<pharaun>issue is the rack is restricted in its width so that case probably won't work
09:52<pharaun>err i mean motherboard
09:52<Ovron>Well, I didn't mean just drill holes and put it in a rack ;DDD
09:53<pharaun>oh i'm aware but i was looking up the mobo size
09:53<straterra><3 technet
09:53<mwalling><3 msdn
09:54<sinusss>JshWright, is possible that my vbox-ubuntu can access the internet and at the same time i can access the vbox from my main machine?
09:54<windsurfer>JshWright: What makes VBox better than a native system?
09:54<pharaun>15x13.6 for HPTX... rack is max 19 inch wide, so probably would end up having to put the card sticking out on the side of the case
09:54<Ovron>pharaun: there sure are HPTX rack cases, so doubt that would be a problem
09:54<guy>Guys, does anyone know how long does it take for linode to activate new account?
09:54<pharaun>Ovron: oh they exist? i thought they didnt
09:54<straterra>Depends..but for most, it's automated
09:54<pharaun>guy: usually pretty quick, it was <1day for me
09:54<pharaun>pretty much right away
09:55<Ovron>pharaun: mega long link in pm
09:55<swaj>sinusss: I use VMWare Fusion for my windows stuff (my main rig is a mac), but all my Linux dev is on VirtualBox VM's
09:55<swaj>sinusss: VirtualBox rocks pretty hard
09:56<JshWright>sinusss: sure, it should do that out of the box (using the NAT networking mode)
09:56<sinusss>swaj, thats good to know ;). right now, i'm trying to make my sites accessible via my windows machine.
09:56<swaj>I bridge it, usually, so the other machines on my LAN can hit the vbox
09:56<JshWright>sinusss: but it you're using it as a development server, you'll probably want to use bridged mode networking
09:56<sinusss>bridge sounds the way i want it to do...
09:56<JshWright>windsurfer: VMs in general are pretty handy for development...
09:57<sinusss>*or something like that
09:57<swaj>sinusss: change the VirtualBox adapter to "Bridged" so it gets a regular LAN IP from your router.
09:57<swaj>sinusss: then you can hit it from any box on your LAN
09:57<sinusss>swaj thanks
09:58<sinusss>i have set it to Bridge and using the wireless adapter since i am online from a wireless network... is this right?
09:58<JshWright>sinusss: yep
09:59<JshWright>sinusss: assuming you're using a recent version of VBox, I'd also suggest you use the virtio nic type (under 'advanced')
09:59<sinusss>awesome :D after this is done, im going to continue with the djangoing :P im trying to setup up something closer to the linode environment...
09:59<swaj>windsurfer: I use VM's for development mostly because I can take snapshots, then try out something crazy that might blow up the VM... and if it does, just revert to the snapshot. I also use them for testing beta software.
10:00<swaj>windsurfer: it's also nice having a VM that matches your production deployment environment configuration. This way you can test production deployments without needing another physical machine.
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10:01<swaj>windsurfer: and if you use Windows 7, you can even boot from a VM's VHD file so you get 99% of native performance. Check out "booting from VHD files" on Windows 7
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10:18<oru_work>in phpmyadmin I see the following message: The additional features for working with linked tables have been deactivated. To find out why click here.
10:18<oru_work>any ideas ?
10:19<bob2>click there
10:19<Yaakov>I have an idea.
10:19<pharaun>.... prop19 failed? 0_o
10:19<Yaakov>But it has nothing to do with your question.
10:19<bob2>or google the error
10:19<@jed>pharaun: of course it did
10:19<Hoggs>click there, see what happens
10:19<pharaun>jed: i guess after thinking about it for a moment :)
10:19<@jed>pharaun: everybody who stood to lose money because of legal weed voted no, and young people didn't bother
10:19<@jed>I expected 19 to fail, honestly
10:20<pharaun>i guess my twitter stream is biased
10:20<mwalling>the young people were too stoned on legal weed
10:20<straterra>GO WEED
10:20<mwalling>pharaun: hi, twitter is not a representitive population
10:20<pharaun>its mostly young SF kids and they all voted
10:20<@jed>mwalling: that's the other side, reddit is saying the medical users didn't bother
10:20<pharaun>mwalling: indeed i'm aware :-p
10:21<pharaun>anyway man we screwed ourself
10:21<@jed>well, the republicans have a chance to prove they can do something to me
10:21<@jed>if senate proceeds as it did for the last two years, they're no better than we are
10:21<JshWright>isn't weed already legal in California?
10:21<@jed>medically, with a script
10:21<tyler>for medical purposes
10:22<@jed>well - yeah
10:22<Daevien>you know it's gonnbe a long day when the first customer of the day that you are helping on the phone curses you out cause you ask to put them on hold for a minute to check with the receiver if their computer is in yet :p
10:22<pharaun>0_o colorado is tired 47-47% wtf
10:22<JshWright>Right... and anyone who wants to can get said recommendation, so, for all intents and purposes, it's legal
10:22<@jed>I wonder how that ballot measure in WA did to change the state seal
10:22<@jed>by the way, watching boehner's tears felt like holding your face to a belt sander
10:23<@jed>anybody else catch that?
10:23<@jed>I wanted to puch the TV
10:23<JshWright>"I have chronic left big toe pain" "Ok, here's your note"
10:23<straterra>"I'm chronically depressed because I can't legally smoke weed.."
10:24<@jed>pharaun: john boehner, ohio
10:24<JshWright>I mean... the medical marijuana laws are a joke, right? No one _actually_ takes the regulations seriously
10:24<pharaun>jed: oh
10:25<@jed>he leads the house now
10:25<@jed>and he bawwwed on CNN last night
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10:25<mwalling>i voted for retardadino
10:25<straterra>We need Jack Bauer to replace the government
10:26<@jed>real bummer that toomey's going to pull it out
10:26<@jed>I was hoping PA would stand their ground
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10:27<karstensrage>young people suck
10:27<marius>jed, and he had a wish, to live the american dream!
10:27<marius>and then he bawwed
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10:27<@jed>marius: yep
10:27<marius>(it was on the radio over here this morning)
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10:27<@jed>it was horrible to watch
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10:28<pharaun>Oklahoma voters approved a proposed amendment aimed at nullifying the segment of the new federal health care law requiring people to have health insurance. .. what the fuck ?
10:29<@jed>that's the entire reason I wanted 19 to pass - not because of the marijuana, but because of the states' rights issue
10:29<@jed>oklahoma is now going to test it the wrong way
10:29<JshWright>jed: wait... you're for state's right in one case, and against it in another?
10:29<@jed>where am I against?
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10:30<pharaun>oka... *sigh*
10:30<JshWright>You don't think Oklahoma should exercise their right to regulate commerce in their state
10:30<pharaun>i'm just happy that people voted right in colorado :-p
10:30<@jed>I think overriding a federal law is pushing states' rights backward
10:30<JshWright>s/right/the way I wanted them to/
10:30<pharaun>JshWright: point :)
10:31<JshWright>jed: in case you missed it... Prop 19 was an attempt to override a federal law
10:31<tjfontaine>there's another way than my way?
10:31<@jed>I mean, you could argue that 'prop 19' overrides, but it added something
10:31<JshWright>(note: I'm in favor of both measures)
10:31<@jed>that's what I mean - prop 19 wants to test the legality of something, oklahoma wants to test the illegality of something federal
10:31<@jed>if that makes sense
10:31<tjfontaine>oh ho ho, you guys almost sucked me, I'll fix you MINIMIZE
10:31<JshWright>jed: not even a little bit
10:32<pharaun>my question about prop 19 overriding federal law, my thing is... if people thinks the federal law is wrong, but they can't change it, isn't it better to attempt to change it state by state till you're able to change the federal laws ?
10:32<@jed>I think the states' rights issue is more likely to fly if it's something productive instead of counterproductive
10:32<JshWright>pharaun: exactly, and the same principle applies to Oklahoma
10:32<@jed>I'm pulling for states' rights, but I think Oklahoma makes it tougher...dunno.
10:33<JshWright>Smoking weed is productive? I know some avid weed smokers, and I wouldn't describe any of them as "productive"
10:33<JshWright>And I'll just state this again: I would have voted in favor of Prop 19 if I lived in California
10:33<@jed>I know, I'm with you
10:33<Yaakov>It produces a lot of smoke and no small amount of coughing.
10:33<pharaun>i'm not a fan of weed myself, i don't like the smell/etc
10:34<pharaun>but i do think the whole probation of weed is silly imho
10:34<JshWright>(despite the fact that I never have and never will smoke, and I think it has a negative impact on the vast majority of people who use it)
10:34<pharaun>Perihelion: and alcohol isn't ?
10:35<@Perihelion>Those were sarcastic caps
10:35<pharaun>Perihelion: oh i must've missed the memo ;-p
10:35<JshWright>Perihelion: everyone in this conversation is in favor of Prop 19
10:35<@Perihelion>I'm honestly indifferent
10:35<pharaun>oh incidently on a different note
10:36<pharaun>SF just banned happymeals ?
10:36<JshWright>pharaun: what a tangled web, eh?
10:36<@jed>pharaun: coincidence? I think not
10:37<pharaun>JshWright: indeed
10:37<@Perihelion>Haha they did? That's demented.
10:37<@jed>well, they banned toys
10:37<Yaakov>I think that marijuana in inherently less problematic than alcohol, but I think that either in moderation is insignificant vis-à-vis harm to society. However, I will say, if I could swap the two, that is, make marijuana the legal, common drug and alcohol the illegal less used one, I think I'd probably do it. The amount of death and violence associated with alcohol abuse is staggering. Marijauna doesn't have *that* problem.
10:37<@jed>which kinda bans the happy meal
10:38<pallgone>do you think a 512 linode can handle like 10'000 visits or something?
10:38<@jed>Yaakov: A+
10:38<swaj>California should just detatch itself from the USA. They're all poo-slinging hippies anyway. Prop 19 is great, but they're *too* liberal. Banning happy meals is retarded.
10:38<pharaun>Yaakov: A+ :) that's actually my thoughts, however you worded it way better :-p
10:38<@Perihelion>Don't take mein alcohol :<
10:38<@jed>pallgone: 10,000 visits/yeah?
10:38<@jed>year, rather
10:38<JshWright>10,000 visits/decade?
10:39<Yaakov>Don't worry, we'd get "medical alcohol" laws.
10:39<marius>Perihelion: you can get drunk on love with me ;)
10:39<Yaakov>10K visits TOTAL.
10:39<pharaun>pallgone: if its heavy dynamic/etc probably not, but if its like static, i believe it would (i think :)
10:39<JshWright>10,000 visits/fortnight?
10:39<pharaun>10,000 visits a minute? D:
10:39<swaj>I /disagree
10:39<marius>10,000 visits/latterday?
10:39<pallgone>I'm not sure how quick, but maybe quick
10:39<sinusss>what is this?
10:39<pharaun>10,000 visits to urmom ?
10:39<swaj>10,000 visits a minute, even on a rails/django site with lots of dynamic crap going on should be fine on a 512 if it's configured properly.
10:39<praetorian>a url
10:39<JshWright>marius: what's a latterday?
10:40<@jed>the day after sunday
10:40<@Perihelion>marius: Not as good
10:40<pallgone>allright, maybe it will only have 1 visit... so I'll check it out
10:40<JshWright>swaj: 166 req/sec would be tough for a dynamic app on a 512
10:41<JshWright>(assuming the 512 is also running the database)
10:41<swaj>not if it's caching certain things, and configured properly
10:41<praetorian>a linode 512 can handle 1 visit
10:41<swaj>and depends on the database
10:41<pharaun>but if its a static/etc it would probably be np
10:41<Yaakov>My 512 broke after 5,629 visits.
10:41<pallgone>nope, it's wordpress
10:41<Yaakov>I had to get a new one.
10:41<swaj>I'd argue that a properly configured mongodb instance with an application using memcached and nginx wouldn't be too much of a problem for a 512
10:41<@jed>pallgone: I ran wordpress on a Linode 360, the 512's predecessor, and survived a Slashdot/the Register beating
10:42<@Perihelion>I broke a 2048 the other day :3
10:42<pharaun>Yaakov: that's surprisingly.... specific :-p
10:42<@jed>pallgone: WP Super Cache is your friend
10:42<pallgone>jed: oh, that's sound promising
10:42<swaj>pallgone: WP super cache
10:42<swaj>doh jed
10:42<Yaakov>pharaun: I think the bit shift register got a stress fracture. It started leaking bits and then, BLAM, it just stopped.
10:43<Yaakov>But it was an older 512 and the parts cost more than a new one, so...
10:43<JshWright>pallgone: I like Total Cache (because I like memcached)
10:43<pharaun>Yaakov: ha :-p
10:43<swaj>memcached = hawt
10:44<pallgone>hmm, there are plenty of caches
10:44<Yaakov>Also, you could serve some of the static content out of S3 and that would lighten the load.
10:44<swaj>pallgone: so what period of time is this 10,000 visits over? a minute? an hour? a day? a month?
10:44<pharaun>Yaakov: i thought S3 had terrible amount of latency
10:44<pallgone>swaj: one day probably
10:44<swaj>Yaakov: S3's latency and disk IO are horrid
10:45<pharaun>it would work for large files/etc but the latency goodness grief
10:45<Yaakov>10K hits per yoctosecond.
10:45<swaj>pallgone: so I'll go out on a limb and tell you that a wordpress blog with some form of caching can easily do 10,000 hits/day on a 512
10:45<@jed>10,000 hits/hour even
10:45<@jed>probably less
10:45<JshWright>I'd agree with that
10:46<Yaakov>pharaun: People use it for static assets. I don't know that anyone cares if it takes three seconds for all the images to appear in a web page. That is, except you nerds.
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10:46<@jed>it doesn't even take that long
10:46<Yaakov>I was being dramatic.
10:46<@jed>you can put your whole site in S3 if you're clever
10:47<Yaakov>There is a 3-second rule in OLTP design.
10:47<JshWright>I use S3 for "bulk" content (mp3s, pdfs, etc)
10:47<anon6995>Does anyone run wordpress sites on their Linode and know how to fix the captcha problem?
10:47<pharaun>Yaakov: it really depends on your assets/etc I mean generally I would think it would be better to try to make the entire page load as fast to give better impression, i personally don't like slow loading sites
10:47<swaj>I do run wordpress, but I don't use captcha's. I let Akismet handle my spam
10:47<Yaakov>You young ones never had to put wait loops in OLTP applications to pad the response time out to 3 seconds.
10:48<Yaakov>pharaun: A 3-second load for all images is so fast that people with slower connections won't even get things that fast. And people on faster connections will not complain.
10:48<swaj>Google has some interesting metrics that show if a site takes longer than a second to load, the abandon rate is much, much higher. I need to find a link.
10:48<JshWright>anon6995: I use akismet as well, works wonders
10:48<pharaun>Yaakov: oh :-p making reference to uh this system where they would put in a wait loop to slow it down so people would not expect faster responses? :-p
10:48<JshWright>anon6995: I am curious what you mean by "the captcha problem"
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10:49<swaj>anon6995: my hunch is that your captcha's aren't working because php-gd isn't installed (or something of that nature)
10:49<pharaun>Yaakov: i guess its still quick, but it does entail some complexity of dealing with S3 and etc... i mean i do use s3 for backup/etc but its... slow
10:50<Yaakov>pharaun: Yes. Since people are willing to wait 3 seconds for a response without complaint, a new system would always respnd in 3 seconds even if it had sub-second response time. This is because there was no doubt that new "features" would slow it down over time and slowing down is much worse that starting at 3 seconds.
10:50<pharaun>Yaakov: oh yes i think i did read up a bit about some stuff like that, about setting people expections/etc....
10:50<linbot>New news from forums: So well, I just checked out the new Manager Beta... in Current Betas <>
10:51<Solver>yes managing expectations is an under considered area
10:51<Solver>the first rule of a consultant is "manage client expectations"
10:54<anon6995>Nah it's a permissions error I reckon
10:55<anon6995>Just trying to find out where the php files for the default captcha are kept
10:55<pharaun>Solver: i guess to me, i don't really do consulting work nor large site/etc so its an area that is weak for me
10:55<anon6995>For some reason everything I install on my linode installs with like the minimum permissions level
10:55<pharaun>i only have a small personal site that i use to learn more and more about web tech
10:55<Solver>cool. tinkering is important
10:56<Yaakov>OK, not much of a test, but compare: and
10:56<pharaun>Yaakov: oh they improved it
10:57<pharaun>Yaakov: i remembered when i was looking at S3 for static stuff it was taking me 3000-8000 msec per request before stuff even started to load
10:57<pharaun>for me your kovaya site loads slightly slower than the s3
10:57<Yaakov>I've never had that.
10:57<pharaun>guess i got unlucky :) i'll accept your point
10:57<Yaakov>Heh, well, kovaya is the 'node, of course.
10:57<pharaun>where is it?
10:58<Yaakov>The best DC.
10:58<linbot>JshWright: [mtr] 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.1ms
10:58<pharaun>i usually get sub 20msec ping to newark myself so i'm just surprised that your node loads a bit slower than the s3
10:59<linbot>pharaun: [mtr] 7 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
10:59<Yaakov>It's blocking the ping at some point along there.
10:59<JshWright>kovaya is faster than S3 for me, but I would be astonished if it were otherwise, since I'm proxying through my newark linode
11:00<pharaun>i'm in boston
11:00<Yaakov>I pulled that image from S3, by the way. :)
11:00<Yaakov>I didn't want to pay for the result of the channl logs having the URL in them.
11:00<pharaun>ah i guess
11:01<pharaun>i have 23 hops to your node, 20 to.... whatever on s3 then it blocks it
11:01<ohkus> linode data center....go
11:01<Yaakov>Pfft. No controversy. Newark. Done.
11:01<Yaakov>pharaun: 23 hops from Boston to Newark??
11:02<pharaun>Yaakov: according to mymtr
11:02<pharaun>its taking different route than the s3 hop so that probably explains
11:02<pharaun>the s3 is taking a much more direct route, the linode is taking a indirect route for some god forsaken reason
11:02<Yaakov>I lived in Boston for nearly a decade.
11:02<windsurfer>I'm in Newark and it's awesome, but I have no idea which is better. They probably are not that different.
11:02<jforman>pharaun: you're in boston and you get 23 hops to newark? i am too and i get only 12 once i leave my corporate net
11:03<pharaun>jforman: its odd i will explain in a bit got a scrum going on now
11:03<pharaun>will do a mtr from my home machine in a bit
11:04<jforman>internet routing is fun. i found i got better response hosting my node in atlanta than newark
11:04<jforman>coming from boston that is
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11:13<Solver>jforman: yes there isn't a one to one relationship between physical space and cyberspace :)
11:14<pharaun>indeed, but often its easy to think that there is :)
11:14<Solver>they do correlate somewhat :)
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11:19<Yaakov>Well, there *is* but it is a multivariate situation. It is very much like the difference between great circle and practical routes between places. The great circle route will be the lower limit for time of travel, based on maximum velocity--but the terrain between determines the maximum velocity and the practical minimum distance.
11:21<pharaun>Yaakov: oh you have ipv6 tunnel?
11:21<pharaun>cos its just 2 hop for me from home via ipv6
11:22<Yaakov>I do, but you can use to bypass it.
11:22<pharaun>since this is on ipv4 will do
11:22<Yaakov> returns the ipv6 address, and returns both.
11:22<pharaun>comcast/home - 17 hops to kovaya, at work 23 hops, and at work s3 - 20ish hops
11:23<pharaun>seems like s3 takes a different route through the corp network
11:23<pharaun>10hop in corp for s3, and uh i think 10 too for kovaya but its a different route
11:24<Yaakov>I have found that in the case of Europe, my pings are sometimes slightly SHORTER through the tunnel, and in the US I pay ~20ms.
11:24<pharaun>~13 hops to s3 via home/comcast
11:24<swaj> location / {
11:24<JshWright>I don't see much of a penalty at all for my HE tunnel
11:24<swaj> # enable search for precompressed files ending in .gz
11:24<swaj> # nginx needs to be complied using .-with-http_gzip_static_module
11:24<swaj> # for this to work, comment out if using nginx from aptitude
11:24<swaj> gzip_static on;
11:24<swaj> # if the requested file exists, return it immediately
11:24<pharaun>so seems like at home & work its both shorter (hop wise) to s3 than the linode
11:24<swaj> if (-f $request_filename) {
11:24<swaj> break;
11:25<pharaun>swaj: !pb
11:25<swaj> }
11:25<swaj> set $supercache_file '';
11:25<JshWright>swaj: wtf?
11:25<swaj> set $supercache_uri $request_uri;
11:25<swaj> if ($request_method = POST) {
11:25<swaj> set $supercache_uri '';
11:25<swaj> }
11:25<swaj> # Using pretty permalinks, so bypass the cache for any query string
11:25<swaj> if ($query_string) {
11:25<swaj> set $supercache_uri '';
11:25<swaj> }
11:25<swaj> if ($http_cookie ~* "comment_author_|wordpress|wp-postpass_" ) {
11:25<swaj> set $supercache_uri '';
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11:25<swaj> }
11:25-Nivex:#linode-SHITLIST swaj
11:25<JshWright>I'm assuming this was a copy/paste error
11:25<swaj>stupid putty
11:25<swaj>sorry guys
11:25<swaj>I right-clicked in my putty window with some WP-super cache crap for nginx
11:25<swaj>my bad :P
11:25<Yaakov>I PWNED YOU SWAJ
11:25*Nivex may have overreacted a bit there
11:25<tyler>You think?
11:25<@jed>swaj, you have been voted off the island
11:26<pharaun>Yaakov: the ipv6 tunnel was 20msec slower than ipv4
11:26<Nivex>tyler: I do.
11:26<swaj>sometimes the putty right-click-to-paste is a PITA :P
11:26<Yaakov>pharaun: Typical.
11:26<zibri>swaj: protip: paste_verify_line_count (if you're using irssi)
11:26<Ovron>swaj: turn the right click into a context menu instead? ;p
11:26<Nivex>tyler: I'm trying to improve in that area, but I lapse occasionally.
11:26<Yaakov> ______ ___ _ _____ ____
11:26<Yaakov>| _ \ \ / / \ | | ____| _ \
11:26<Yaakov>| |_) \ \ /\ / /| \| | _| | | | |
11:26<Yaakov>| __/ \ V V / | |\ | |___| |_| |
11:26<Yaakov>|_| \_/\_/ |_| \_|_____|____/
11:26<pharaun>swaj: hence its good to develop the habit to NEVER right click on putty :-p
11:26<@jed> o \O_ Arrgh!!
11:26<@jed> <\==- - - - - - - --- __/.
11:26<@jed> / \ \ `
11:27<swaj>zibri: weechat :P
11:27<pharaun>swaj: use irssi, its the superior choice :-p
11:27<Karrde>swaj: you can change that
11:27<@pparadis>irssi is a terminal client?
11:27<swaj>I used to use irssi, but I like weechat
11:27<Karrde>e.g. I changed my PuTTY to middle-click paste
11:27<pharaun>jed: \o/
11:27<swaj>pparadis: yes
11:27<Nivex>pparadis: it is.
11:27<guy> .&dkl`,ivne._
11:27<guy> sRfkgvc+rsnmGBND.
11:27<guy> aHBNLbni+.irumLGNMms
11:27<guy> NRIr`'+dLKNMFb`'iNQr
11:27<guy> `ANWM7 `+lM0. `'^Kl
11:27<guy> iNWL*_;=e. Y._,_ ON
11:28<guy> aRNm _.l, j^ _` Bq,
11:28<guy> eNL:,l=N0`. ls`N0> ibK
11:28<guy> XHZu! _(c kPBN
11:28<guy> 'CD . ` tK7KX
11:28<guy> 'f _&zrc_. .Y
11:28<Karrde>ban his ass etc
11:28<@jed>how long is this
11:28<guy> , v, `ta.=" ,V
11:28<Nivex>irssi has a nice filter where if it detects you pasting in a ton of stuff at once it asks "Do you really want to paste N lines."
11:28<guy> 7q. 6% ^l = .r
11:28<deejoe> ______________
11:28<guy> f'noib. + `d+ .._a7 t
11:28<guy> k+RD6 L.dr h' `*+iPb .f adI`
11:28<guy> dj+Ggr 4NJb .,dT `'KJc _ir+4b .
11:28-!-mode/#linode [+q guy!*@*] by jed
11:28<MJCS>someone kick
11:28<Karrde>looks like a person
11:28<pharaun>Nivex: indeed, it has saved my ass so many time
11:28<MJCS>or mute
11:28<@pparadis>pharaun: i'm using irssi ;)
11:28<pallgone>wow, that sucks, lost 1hour trying to figure out why permalinks don't work in wordpress, I thought mod_rewrite is enabled and in fact it wasn't
11:28<Ovron>the obvious is sometimes the answer - shame the obvious is not so obvious then
11:28<swaj>[10:25] -- Notice(Nivex): SHITLIST swaj
11:29<MJCS>well always check
11:29<swaj>nice one Nivex :P
11:29-!-mode/#linode [-q guy!*@*] by jed
11:29<guy> tii+;;rddNMNKKii++dV
11:29<guy> 'i++r;ddZBNNNttiirrj
11:29-!-mode/#linode [+q guy!*@*] by jed
11:29<pharaun>still going? lmao
11:29<zibri>... :/
11:30<pharaun>Yaakov: anyway 20msec is normal for going over the ipv6 tunnel ?
11:30<Nivex>Rage against... that guy.
11:30<Yaakov>pharaun: In my experience, in the US.
11:30*Ovron brings out a 500 line empire state building
11:30<swaj>maybe I'll have to switch back to irssi :P
11:30<Nivex>swaj: might be worth filing an RFE with WeeChat for that filter
11:30<Nivex>they can probably just thief the code from irssi :)
11:31-!-mode/#linode [-q guy!*@*] by jed
11:31*Karrde nerfs guy
11:32<Karrde>Who are you calling scruffy-looking!?
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11:36<Yaakov> _______________________________________
11:36<Yaakov> ---------------------------------------
11:36<Yaakov> \ ^__^
11:36<Yaakov> \ (oo)\_______
11:36<Yaakov> (__)\ )\/\
11:36<Yaakov>| ||
11:36<@pparadis>how mooving
11:36<@jed>/exec -out echo urmom | figlet | cowsay -n
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11:40<zibri>jed: you forgot -f sodomized-sheep
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11:40<zibri>ehr, that's what nivex linked to... right nvm
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11:44<guy>hm. linode is taking long time to confirm my VPS : /
11:44<Karrde>oops, I left an MTR going .. 22075 packets
11:44<Karrde>0.1% loss!
11:44<@jed>guy: activated
11:44<guy>Thank you
11:45<pharaun>Karrde: that's pretty good, some days i get up to 40% packet loss :<
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11:47<pharaun>btw anyone got a good recommendation for a console rss reader in which I can read the post content & some comments from slashdot for example ?
11:47<guy>Is there any difference which data center I will choose? for instance, is London as good as any other? because the internet in the UK in general sucks.
11:48<swaj>irssi seems to be ignoring my host setting... using the wrong ipv6 address....
11:48<Karrde>try measuring ^
11:48<Ovron>guy: the london DC is anything but suck ;)
11:48<Ovron>swaj: -host <stuff here> on /connect or /server or in your /network settings?
11:48<guy>what is DC?
11:48<mwalling>guy: linode is too competant to sign on with a shitty dc
11:48<Ovron>no not /network, nvm that :p
11:48<swaj>it's in the server config, added a: host = "blah"; to each server
11:49<Yaakov> _______________________________________________
11:49<Yaakov>< My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard! >
11:49<Yaakov> -----------------------------------------------
11:49<Yaakov> \ ^__^
11:49<Yaakov> \ (âŒ)\_______
11:49<Yaakov> (__)\ )\/\
11:49<Yaakov>â©|----w |
11:49<Yaakov>| ||
11:49<Yaakov>Hey, that cow is broken.
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11:50<@pparadis>Yaakov: dear sir, please provide instruction in the preparation of your chilled dairy consumable so that i may attract a greater number of young males.
11:50<guy>Swap disk == ram?
11:50<swaj>there we go, fixed it
11:50<Ovron>just double checked, I have mine under "chatnets" as host = "hostname";
11:50<swaj>I did a /set hostname and then /save
11:50<swaj>and it worked
11:50<swaj>so now I'm using irssi :P
11:50<swaj>and hopefully no more paste spam
11:50<Yaakov>pparadis: I will require compensation for such instruction.
11:51<Ovron>swaj: welcome to the dark side
11:51<swaj>I used to use irssi a lot, but switched to weechat
11:51<mwalling>guy: uh, no, swap is swap
11:51<mwalling>!library getting started
11:51<tjfontaine>swaj: jesus dude, what's with the paste in my scroll back
11:51<linbot>mwalling: timed out
11:52<mwalling>!library getting started
11:52<swaj>tjfontaine: I right-clicked in my putty window on accident :P
11:52<mwalling>swaj: you can disable that
11:52<linbot>mwalling: timed out
11:52<Yaakov>tjfontaine: SHUT UP YOU SMELLY PUSTULE
11:52*tjfontaine zips
11:52<Yaakov>tjfontaine: Err.. I mean, hi!
11:52<@jed>!library snork cacke:yes
11:52<tjfontaine>Yaakov: Hi der!
11:52<guy>Yeah. I got it. Sorry for stupid question. : )
11:52<Yaakov>I am "home sick" today.
11:53<swaj>it's fine. weechat was annoying me anyway. I couldn't copy/paste long URLs because of the buffer lists :P
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11:53<tjfontaine>Yaakov: well I "hope" you get better?
11:53<Yaakov>My instestinal tract is dysfuntional in a way that preculdes travelling to my ordinary place of employment.
11:53<swaj>so my IPv6 and SSL connections are working on irssi now (/happy)
11:53<tjfontaine>Yaakov: well I do sincerely hope you do feel better
11:54<Yaakov>I do too. It's really minor but incompatible with polite company.
11:54<@pparadis>Yaakov: i am adhered to your person, as would occur with an adhesive compound.
11:54<mwalling>swaj: [11-03] 11:54:10 [oftc] -NickServ( 4 (online, identified by SSL certificate)
11:54<mwalling>swaj: good job :)
11:54<swaj>I wish freenode's services would auto-ID me to nickserv like OFTC's do when I connect with my SSL cert
11:54<Yaakov>swaj: I use a script called which I find essential.
11:55<tjfontaine>swaj: I know they were interested at implementing it once upon a time
11:55<@jed>swaj: I know you want:,
11:55<Ovron> is quite useful at times.
11:55<swaj> would drive me insane. I hate nick coloring
11:55<@jed>mkdir -p ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun, plop scripts in ~/.irssi/scripts and link them in autorun
11:56<@jed>/script load shenanigans
11:56<Yaakov> is good.
11:56<Ovron>,, - I'm travelling lightweight
11:56<swaj>I have,, and
11:57<Yaakov>I use
11:57<pharaun>all i have is
11:57<Yaakov>I also use
11:57<Ovron>nickcolor kills kittens.
11:57<pharaun>wish irssi would support 256 color
11:57<@pparadis>Yaakov: i note that your existence restores cardiac function to my body.
11:58<@jed>I missed a feature like trackbar
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11:59<@pparadis>Yaakov: mercury records has gone so far as to produce a documentary of our wondrous story -->
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12:00<Yaakov>I use this everyday, repeatedly. NO WARRANTY IS EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED
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12:01<Yaakov>pparadis: I am having no luck connecting to the 'tube.
12:01<@pparadis>that is distressing
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12:02<SpaceHob1>SpaceHobo: GET OUT
12:02<@pparadis>it's a spacewar
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12:07<swaj>the oscar theme for irssi is pretty nice
12:07<pharaun> <- :D slow motion water its teh awesome
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12:12<anon6995>[Wed Nov 03 15:57:36 2010] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
12:12<anon6995>is my apache sick?
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12:13<swaj>okay, so I'm trying this, but it puts two blank lines above the window list
12:13<amitz>anon6995: perhaps you're shutting down your node at that moment?
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12:15<swaj>fixed it
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12:36<sinusss>hello. in this doc: what will be my vhost if i want to access my site (found in my vbox) from my windows machine? how will i access the django site from my windows machine?
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12:42<sinusss>i'm now trying to "deploy" django in my vbox much like i would in my linode. but the problem is, in my linode, i can things are different when i use my vbox because i access it using the IP address
12:43<JshWright>sinusss: use yourlocal hosts file to manage what domain name points to what IP
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12:45<sinusss>JshWright, but in my vbox, how would I create my vhost file? this is my vhost in my vbox:
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12:47<JshWright>sinusss: huh?
12:47<JshWright>you want your local PC to treat as if it pointed to your VM's IP, right?
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12:48<sinusss>JshWright, yup exactly...
12:48<JshWright>that's what a hosts file is for
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12:48<sinusss>JshWright, when I it goes to /home/wenbert/public_html I would like something (or something) to point to /home/subsea/application (django.wsgi is here)
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12:50<JshWright>I don't understand... are you asking how to implement mod_wsgi? I don't see how the fact that it's a VM plays into this...
12:52<sinusss>what i dont get is that since points to /home/wenbert/public_html and I want to access my django app from the same ip address
12:55<JshWright>sinusss: I suspect the issue is that you have multiple *:80 virtualhosts defined, so a different one is taking precedence
12:56<sinusss>ah so if i *:8080 --> point to django app...
12:56<JshWright>but since I switched entirely to nginx, Apache and I aren't on speaking terms...
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12:57<straterra><3 Apache httpd
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13:01<sidd>apache beat me as a child
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13:01<@jed>with a bat
13:01<@jed>you forgot the DUCK SAUCE
13:01<@jed>whap whap
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13:03<sinusss>um, will 192.x.x.x:8080 point to my django app found in: /home/subsea/application/?
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13:15<Boohemian>whats a linux app that analyzes two large directories to find differences in them?
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13:16<Kos>analyzes two large diretores?
13:16<Kos>ls -lah /directory1/ > direct1
13:16<Kos>ls -lah /directory2/ > direct2
13:16<Kos>diff direct1 direct2
13:16<sinusss>got it!
13:17<amitz>wtf, no glee this week?! is this due to election? I hate democracy!
13:17<straterra>glee is lame anyway
13:17<straterra>I think its funny that glee is a popular show, but everyone in glee in highschool is unpopular
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13:20<amitz>they are closet glee lovers, definitely!
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13:32<Captain_Intern>Would it be possible to link a system user account to the mysql.users table?
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13:33<purrdeta>I am pretty sure most people in HS are unpopular
13:33*JshWright beats up purrdeta and steals his lunch money
13:33*purrdeta cries in the corner
13:34<Yaakov>I was very popular.
13:34*amitz encourages purrdeta to sing out his sadness.
13:34<Yaakov>(In my domain.)
13:34<@Perihelion>Captain_Intern: I've never tried, but I know people do it with ldap
13:34<purrdeta>Perihelion: <33
13:35<@Perihelion>I got along with most people in high school
13:35<@Perihelion>Now I hate most people
13:35<@Perihelion>College happened
13:35<purrdeta>I got along, but I wasnt popular
13:35<purrdeta>infact I hated them
13:35<Captain_Intern>Perihelion, thank you.
13:36<@Perihelion>No problem
13:36<straterra>I was popular..and hated people heh
13:36<straterra>I had a badass nickname too
13:36<Nivex>the 35" monitor still holds. take the other measurements up to their next exponent (GB, TB) and you're set :)
13:37<straterra>My nickname was Taco..I signed year books by drawing a taco
13:37<purrdeta>straterra: nice
13:39<dKingston>i understand this isn't the best place (is it?) to ask this, but
13:39<dKingston>i have a linode. an empty linode at that
13:39<Yaakov>My nickname was... no, I don't think it is wise to say.
13:39<dKingston>i have a few other esrvers doing some things
13:39<dKingston>now i dont know what to use this linode for
13:40<purrdeta>People said I masturbated in the bathroom
13:40<purrdeta>so meh
13:40<purrdeta>It was a rumor
13:40<purrdeta>just fyi
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13:40<purrdeta>If that happened today I would lol in their face.
13:41<dKingston>i'll probably setup my own web/mail server on it
13:41<purrdeta>dKingston: thats what I do. Along with http and a bunch of other stuff
13:41<dKingston>anybody got good mail server recommendations
13:42<amitz>More people know me in HS than I know them. Not sure if it's a good proxy...
13:42<dKingston>i already have the web server in mind, i've just never setup a mail server
13:42<dKingston>purrdeta: ah
13:42<JshWright>I actually just went out to coffee with a guy who was in my graduating class (he works with my wife). It was... odd...
13:42<amitz>perhaps they know me because I was eccentric -_-
13:42<Yaakov>dKingston: People really like Postfix. I use Exim because it is the default in Debian. Don't use Sendmail.
13:42<MTecknology>On my account it's showing "Account Balance: $57.96 credit" Does that mean at the end of the month I get money?
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13:42<dKingston>i wouldn't use sendmail if you paid me, isr
13:43<Yaakov>dKingston: I use dovecot for IMAP/POP, it's fine.
13:43<JshWright>MTecknology: no, it means you won't pay any money
13:43<dKingston>i've heard of it
13:43<swaj>I just use exim so my misc. sites can send mail. My actual email hosting is with google apps.
13:43<amitz>JshWright: he doesn't behave as expected eh? Some assholes stop being assholes but vice versa too :-p
13:43<JshWright>(assuming your bill is less than $57.96)
13:43<Yaakov>I use Sendmail on my 'node because I accidentally installed it. But I don't use it any more.
13:44<MTecknology>JshWright: Is it possible to have what's sitting there paid out? The account owner is going to change..
13:44<Yaakov>MTecknology: Time to submit a ticket.
13:44<JshWright>MTecknology: money you've paid can probably be credited back, referal credit can't be
13:44<MTecknology>ok- thanks :)
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13:45<swaj>poll: what's your irssi theme?
13:47<amitz>I almost never install any kind of theme.
13:47<swaj>I'm digging oscar
13:48<Yaakov>I use yaakov.theme
13:48<Yaakov>Which is the nerd-hated black text on white.
13:48<Yaakov>My status bar is white on blue, with other colors as needed.
13:49<swaj>Yaakov: <-- that's not yours? :P
13:50<Yaakov>Icky poo.
13:51<swaj>on the theme screen it says it's by "Yaakov"
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13:53<Yaakov>swaj: This is basically it:
13:54<swaj>blocked at work, oh well :P
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13:55<swaj>yeah says the site is blocked for "social networking; productivity"
13:56<BP{k}>"research shows that Yaakov is bad for productivity" ;)
13:56<swaj>sorry, it's this: "This URL was selected for "Social Networking;Society and Lifestyles"
13:56<Yaakov>What on earth is that about?
13:56<swaj>I'll walk around it, one sec :P
13:57<Yaakov>I am an obscure backwater on the intertubes... who would block me??
13:57<swaj>I haven't met a proxy yet that I couldn't beat
13:57<Daevien>maybe it checke dyour content and found links to fb or somethign else it hates
13:58<Yaakov>Try this:
13:58<Yaakov>Daevien: Links to Facebook??! From MY site?! Heaven forefend.
13:59<Daevien>Yaakov: i figured maybe you linked to something it didn't like. for example facebook or somethign else to get you the social networking categorization, no offense meant :p
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13:59<Yaakov>I don't do any social networking. It's vile.
14:01<Daevien>maybe it found links to irc and thats why :p
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14:02<swaj>is it possible to make this window list stop doing [5-5]#ruby and just show the hotkey?
14:02<Yaakov>Yes, that is.
14:03<Yaakov>Do you mean with ?
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14:05<swaj>I just want to show the hotkey (or the index)... not both
14:06<Yaakov>I think this is the line: wlstat_display_key = "[$Q]$H$C$S";
14:06<Yaakov>try /set wlstat_display_key = "[$Q]$H$C$S" and see if it works.
14:07<Yaakov>I can't believe I am being blocked! Oh, the humiliation!
14:07<swaj>woohoo, that worked
14:07<swaj>thanks Yaakov
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14:10*cdlu is away <N> afk <N> messages will be Logged.
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14:11<Yaakov>m/sg cdlu YOU ARE TOO COOL FOR SCHOOL FOOL
14:11<Yaakov>Wait, it WAS logged!
14:11<tjfontaine>cdlu: o0
14:11<Yaakov>I think EVERYONE should send cdlu a message so he can log it. I propose /msg cdlu I LOVE YOU WITH A GREAT HUVE LOVE
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14:12<swaj> [OFTC] CTCP VERSION reply from cdlu: ircII EPIC4-2.6 Linux 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem - Accept no limitations.
14:12<Yaakov>Message sent.
14:12<swaj>I thought for sure it was gonna be a mIRC script :P
14:12<tjfontaine>it's completely scott's fault
14:12<swaj>what, why?
14:12<tjfontaine>swaj: cdlu invented the internet
14:12<tjfontaine>or at least irc
14:12<swaj><-- scott :P
14:12<tjfontaine>you're not the real scott
14:12<tjfontaine>/whois scott
14:13<swaj>yeah, some luser that stole my identity :P
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14:13<swaj>wow that hostname sounds like an invitation
14:13<code->don't do it, we're all linode customers
14:14<swaj>my hostnae is much more boring :P
14:14<Yaakov>Personally, I think that's one of the absolutely stupidest vanity DNS names I have ever seen.
14:14<@Perihelion>Yaakov: umad?
14:14<swaj>Yaakov: I know... sorry :(
14:14<Yaakov>It's like ""
14:15<code->PTR records are serious business
14:15<JshWright>Silly USPS... shipping a package from Long Island to Syracuse by way of Rochester...
14:15<Yaakov>swaj: No, I meant that .me name.
14:15<swaj>Yaakov: I know :P I'm just teasing
14:15<Yaakov>Perihelion: Eh?
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14:16<swajr>vhost win!
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14:17<mwalling>nah, i win
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14:18<mwalling>swaj: ne ner you cant see me
14:18*tjfontaine svscloak mwalling
14:18<mwalling>HA! NO!
14:18<tjfontaine>Wed Nov 3 18:18:47 UTC 2010
14:19<tjfontaine>supposed to have a meeting in 10 mins :P
14:19<swaj>lol when I /whois'ed you, you've got some oftc host :P
14:19<mwalling>swaj: not just some
14:19<tjfontaine>he's on the operations team
14:19<swaj>I figured as much
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14:21<mwalling>darkside_: hi
14:22<mwalling>opello: <3
14:22<opello>mwalling: that's some host ...
14:22<opello>mwalling: :)
14:22<opello>(was hoping tj had circumvented next year's election and just made you chair)
14:22<Daevien>he's going to do that next time mwalling goes afk
14:23<mwalling>Daevien: dont worry, my first act as chair in the next year will be to akill *@*
14:23<opello>there by carrying on in the tradition set forth ...
14:23<Yaakov>Perihelion: Eh?
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14:24<Yaakov>I am on the OFTC love team.
14:24<@pparadis>gang bangs are wrong
14:24<Yaakov>It is a one-man operation.
14:24<Daevien>pparadis: you are the expert, we bow to your wisdom
14:25*pparadis thinks Daevien is cute.
14:25*pparadis giggles
14:25<Yaakov>Daevien: This is where you run away, and keep running, and don't look back.
14:27<@Perihelion>Oh mah frick
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14:28<JshWright>frick a drick
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14:44<OkropNick>hi. is there any way to try out linode vps before payment?
14:44<tjfontaine>7 day money back...
14:44<JshWright>OkropNick: you have to pay up front, but if you cancel within 7 days, you get a full refund
14:45<i0n>Hi, Anyone here using arch? I am trying to get my LAMP stack going, apache is installed and working and mysql is running properly but PHP is not parsing properly. I must have done something wrong.. here is a paste of my httpd.conf
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14:45<sirpengi>i0n: what do you mean by 'php is not parsing properly'?
14:46<sirpengi>the code is showing up in uninterpreted?
14:46<JshWright>i0n: you're using Arch on a server?
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14:47<i0n>JshWright: yes
14:47<sirpengi>i0n: it looks like you're loading the php module in there. what's the virtualhost/site definition look like?
14:47<JshWright>Hope you're not using that box for anything mission critical...
14:47<i0n>oh wow
14:47<i0n>i feel dumb
14:47<i0n>i was using short tags
14:48<i0n>i had <? instead of <?php
14:48<i0n>now to enable short tags.. wow that really sucks
14:48<sirpengi>no, now to fix your short tags
14:48<i0n>i spent like an hour head desking.
14:49<OkropNick>I have one more question. What is startup enviroment of vps? what software is there installed? Is it ready to serve typical web pages using Apache, PHP, MySQL? And last question: can I install there any neeeded packages like ImageMagic?
14:49<sirpengi>short tags, like magic quotes GPC, is best left off and forgotten about
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14:49<JshWright>I'm still a little quizzical about the notion of using a rolling release distro on a server...
14:49<JshWright>OkropNick: it's a minimal linux box, you configure everything
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14:50<OkropNick>JshWright: thx
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14:50<i0n>sirpengi: hmm actually its not working sigh, its working from CLi, I can php <filename.php> and it works, but viewing through a browser its still not parsing
14:50<bump2>Hi! Have anyone already tested Googles mod_pagespeed for Apache2 ?
14:50<JshWright>There are linode-provided images you can deploy that are basically as minimal a version of each distro as you can get (the ubuntu image, for instance, is ubuntu-minimal plus sshd)
14:51<@stan_theman>bump2: not yet, but can't wait to hear if anyone has
14:51<sirpengi>i0n: I asked you two questions, you should answer them if you'd like any form of answer from me
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14:54<Daevien>sirpengi: his problem s shorttags, like he said
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14:55<dr_jkl>eeeeeeeeee excited
14:59<marius>hmm, on dd-wrt, can you kill a persons connection?
14:59<marius>I can see that a machine is connected to the network through it, can I then kill/block said connection?
15:00<JshWright>marius: sure, DDWRT lets you do all sorts of filtering
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15:00<JshWright>based on IP, MAC, etc
15:01<JshWright>I don't have the docs in front of me, and you could look them up as easily as I could, but I know it's possible. I set it up at my parents house to disable the internet connections on my foster brothers' iPods after 10PM on school nights
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15:05<OkropNick>It is my last question, may looks stupid, but I'm serious. The price $19.95 for linode 512 is per each month, am I right?
15:06<JshWright>OkropNick: that's correct
15:06<JshWright>there's a 10% discount if you prepay for a year, and a 15% discount if you prepay for two years
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15:06<tjfontaine>swaj: how dare you ctcp services
15:07<OkropNick>ok, first I will need to test speed for me, I am from Poland. Can I choose datacenter in Europe?
15:07<swaj>tjfontaine: you spy :P
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15:07<swaj>tjfontaine: did you write those in python? :)
15:08<tjfontaine>swaj: no, C and Ruby, there's an unfinished portion to add python modules
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15:10<pclissold>OkropNik: London
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15:12<OkropNick>pclissold: London will be great for me
15:14<linbot>New news from forums: postfix - how to block all linux users except root??? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
15:14<OkropNick>I can configure Linux system, but if I will some trouble, can I ask for your help with configuration?
15:14<JshWright>OkropNick: be sure to check out the Linode Library, and the StackScripts
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15:16<Daevien>OkropNick: stackscripts will help you deploy linux with some basic stuff already setup, to help you along. you still still need to scure the system and other stuff. generally, peopel will help yes, but it is an unmanaged vps. so no one HAS to help, just something to keep in mind
15:17<Daevien>OkropNick: we'll generally help people long as you are trying, repeated requests for stuff that could easily be found on your own throug the linode library or google or something will tend to annoy some of us (including me ;) after a while
15:17<OkropNick>I have configured my Linux station for webserwer purposes, I'm just asking to be sure that there is any help :)
15:18<pclissold>OkropNick: Ask here or in the forums. Check the Linode Library — it's pretty good.
15:18<Daevien>OkropNick: ah k, you have some knowledge at least, you shouldn't have too many problems then
15:18<OkropNick>thank youall for help
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15:19<pclissold>sirpengi: He was the best troll we ever had.
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15:19<MTecknology>pclissold: I'm still here
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15:20<sirpengi>pclissold: yeah, I don't think I did him justice with that portrayal
15:20<Daevien>hmm, damn logitech! wireless trackball m570. very interesting. i want. i shouldn't spend the money. but i want
15:22<Daevien>the technology guys here have learned how to taunt me. show up with nifty device and tell me it's fairly cheap. they try to see how much shit they can tempt me with and make me buy. i shudder to think how much they'd do it if they actually got commision
15:23<pclissold>Daevien: Love their hardware, but the drivers and software that goes with it is sh*t
15:23<sirpengi>linode manager still reports times off by an hour....
15:23<tonyyarusso>Maybe it's living in the good ol' days when daylight saving time ended at a reasonable time of year.
15:24<tonyyarusso>Or better yet, before the idiotic thing was invented.
15:24<Daevien>pclissold: half the time i don't even load the drivers for logitech stuff heh. the trackball is oen of the unifying ones, so one wireless control in system will connect to multipel devices *sigh* i'm goign to end up owning the trackball on friday when i get paid, i see it already
15:27<pclissold>Daevien: Now I've looked at it, I quite want one as well. My Marble looks ancient.
15:27<MTecknology>I just got a call from India offering web development services for my website ( Anyone notice anything a tad bit strange about that?
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15:28<MTecknology>Why would I want to pay for development of a blog that doesn't generate any revenue... considering I'm the one that sells web dev services...
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15:34<Daevien>pclissold: yeah i had two marbles. wore them out. got a mx518 or something like that now, ahd it for ayear or two, works well. but i'd rather have a trackball
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15:35<Daevien>sorry, one trackman marble and one trackman wheel. i liked the wheel better
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15:37<swaj>I've decided that Inconsolata is the best even-spaced font ever.
15:37<sirpengi><3 Linode
15:38<sirpengi>swaj: I think the term is `monospace`
15:38<sirpengi>and I prefer Droid Sans Mono over Inconsolata
15:39<swaj>Droid Sans Mono is too "fat" for me
15:39<swaj>Consolas is a close second to Inconsolata
15:43<Yaakov>I prefer ProFont.
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15:44<Yaakov>I literally use it at 5x7 pixels.
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15:45<Yaakov>I have 90x50 terminals that are 3/4 of the screen high and a bit more than than 1/3 of the screen wide.
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15:46<opello>deja vu sans mono
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15:58<straterra>Anyone try 8pen?
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16:10<stan_theman>installed mod_pagespeed. things *seem* snappier, but the apachebench marks are the same. not sure if I'm testing it the best though :/
16:12<linbot>New news from forums: Ubuntu to Gentoo MySQL SSL error in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
16:12<sirpengi>ab only really tests the base html page
16:12<sirpengi>well, it only tests whichever resource you tell it to fetch
16:12<sirpengi>mod_pagespeed does things to your images/external resources
16:12<sirpengi>so you'll only really notice it if you're loading up the whole page+resources
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16:20<sinusss>hello guys
16:21<sinusss>i can no longer connect my vbox ubuntu to the internet :(
16:21<sinusss>network is empty
16:23<mwalling>you're running vbox on your linode?
16:24<sinusss>i've been trying to setup a development environment on my windows machine for the past few days and im hopeless
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16:26<sinusss>mwalling, any ideas?
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16:27<JshWright>sinusss: have you tried #vbox on Freenode? (I lurk there as well...)
16:27<sinusss>going there JshWright
16:27<JshWright>sinusss: did you mac address change for any reason?
16:28<JshWright>Ubuntu assigns a new ethX identifier for each MAC it sees
16:29<@pparadis>sinusss: try changing the driver virtualbox uses for the virtual nic
16:29<@pparadis>rather, not driver, the type of nic it pretends to be
16:29<stan_theman>"Thunderstruck", on bagpipes
16:29<@pparadis>stan_theman wins the awful link of the day award
16:30<@Perihelion>Fucking win
16:30<JshWright>Assuming you're using a reasonable recent linux distro as a guest, the virtio nic type is probably the best option
16:30<sinusss>JshWright, probably the mac address changed.. i clicked the "refresh" button in the network section for vbox
16:30*stan_theman bows
16:30<JshWright>sinusss: then you need to bring up eth1
16:31<sinusss>so i create eth1 in: Network Connections
16:32*jed thwaps stan_theman
16:32<stan_theman>that's just jed's way of saying he loves me
16:32<mwalling>ya, ok
16:32<@jed>in the face
16:33<JshWright>he didn't say what he was thwaping him with...
16:33<mwalling>JshWright: thanks for that mental image
16:33<sinusss>im shuting the vbox and change to virtual nic
16:33<stan_theman>I guess you could say I'd be...
16:33*pparadis prefers earl grey teabags
16:34<@jed>how do I *not* have an album with thunderstruck on it
16:35<goose>jed you hooker
16:35*mwalling prefers k cups
16:35<goose>I love you
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16:35<@jed>I know, sunshine
16:35<goose>did you ever use that rDNS cname I gave you?
16:35<goose>cause it's still in my DNS records
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16:35<@jed>haha I think I forgot all about it
16:35<@jed>what was it
16:36<goose>CNAME Records for
16:36<goose>Host Name Aliases to
16:37<goose>USE THE RDNS, JED! USE IT!
16:37<sinusss>fffff it's now up
16:37<@Perihelion>HONK HONK
16:37<sinusss>wtf happended
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16:38<@jed>Match Found!
16:38<@jed>Do you want to use "" as the reverse DNS entry for
16:39<goose>DO IT
16:39<@jed>• Reverse DNS changed. Please allow up to 24 hours for changes to take effect.
16:39<@jed> is on .104 though
16:39<@jed>I'll bind to .102 on my other networks though
16:40<swaj>ipv6... the new and improved way to vhost troll on IRC :P
16:41<goose>version ping me, I has the ultimate version reply :>
16:42*pparadis contemplates uses for
16:43<hawk>Hmm, Inconsolata works better than Consolas with the OS X font rendering at small sizes, thanks for the tip
16:43<goose>cause sometimes IRC cloaks the first subdomain
16:43<goose>so if it does, then you still get .you.wanna.
16:43<straterra>i just get .com on mine :/
16:43<swaj>hehe you bet. Inconsolata ftw
16:43<mwalling>goose: the ircds that do that usually let you /UMODE -x to get rid of it
16:43<@jed>*finally* they updated's whois
16:43<@pparadis>hm, i could do
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16:43*mwalling points to foonetic as an example
16:43<@jed>mwalling: tf is /umode?
16:44<goose>mwalling: unless umode x is locked!
16:44<@jed>/mode jed -x :like a boss
16:44<mwalling>jed: too long
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16:44<mwalling>[11-03] 16:44:25 UMODE mode $N
16:45<mwalling>goose: who locks x?
16:45<goose>mwalling: I donno
16:45<@jed>I -x automatically on every network I get on
16:45<goose>mwalling: I have a gif for that. standby.
16:45<swaj>I think I remember a time when Hurricane Electric filtered IRC traffic on because people were abusing the hell out of RDNS :P
16:46<@jed>I remind you that the Graphics Interchange Format was not designed for animation. Rudimentary animation is possible, but not advised.
16:46<hobot>not advised, just awesome
16:47<@jed>that's in one of the appendices of the spec, but I'm paraphrasing
16:47<@jed>and animation is practically one of the only reasons to use GIF now
16:48<swaj>I tend to stick with PNG myself
16:48<goose>I like to be different, .bmp
16:48<goose>or .tiff
16:48<@jed>.bmp 4 lyfe
16:48<goose>.bmp 4 annoyingly large emails
16:49<goose>when tech support asks me for screenshots, I like to send them in .pdf
16:49<@jed>huge nondisclosure disclaimers in e-mail ftw
16:50<deejoe>I especially love them when they get sent to a publically-archived mailing list
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16:55<straterra>swaj: HE didn't do that..
16:55<straterra>swaj: Some IRC network did that
16:57<swaj>read the 5th paragraph
16:57<straterra>That's not filtering
16:57<straterra>Also, since they did that, the IRC network lifted the HE ban
16:58<swaj>also, in the forums broquea stated that the newer tunnel servers didn't have the block any more, but older ones did
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17:02<guy>what is SOA Email?
17:02<swaj>it should be you
17:02<guy>what is SOA?
17:02<bob2>the dns admin for the domain
17:02<bob2>start of authority
17:02<bob2>ie "dns zone header"
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17:03<swaj>explains SOA
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17:04<A-KO>One thing you can't knock MS on
17:04<A-KO>is documentation
17:04<A-KO>MS' Technet has some of the best documentation on the internet for tech
17:05<swaj>as a .NET developer I can vouch for the quality of their documentation, too. MSDN has some wonderful docs.
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17:27<JoeK>whats the debian user file?
17:27<JoeK>eg: where i can see all users on my machine
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17:29<tjfontaine>getent passwd > myfile
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17:58<pharaun>Kos: no that's too simple
17:59<pharaun>XD nvm
17:59<pharaun>Kos: nvn :-p
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18:39<gasparro>Hi! Is there a way to download a backup?
18:40<gasparro>I need to get one file content (accidentaly overwriten) but without making any restore stuff
18:40<encode>sure. It will involve either bringing down your current linode, or buying a new one for a day
18:41<pharaun>gasparro: and on using a new one for a day, you will have to pay the full monthly rate but you will be credited to your linode account for the unused time
18:41<gasparro>OK, once I have this new linode running what do I do?
18:42<encode>restore the backup to the new linode
18:42<cdlu>stupid autoaway, I forgot to disable it when I reinstalled :)
18:42<encode>boot, copy file
18:42<encode>shut down
18:42<encode>remove linode
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19:23<@Perihelion>Goose does not get angry. Angry gets Goose.
19:26<mwalling>boo yah
19:26<mwalling>put out the devil him self
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19:27<mwalling>oh, how i love new york:
19:27<mwalling>26. A gong or siren whistle shall not be used on any vehicle other than an authorized emergency vehicle. This
19:27<mwalling>shall not be construed to apply to a gong or siren designed and used solely as a burglar alarm on a vehicle.
19:27<mwalling>aka: dont put a burglar alarm on your fire truck
19:29*encode puts one on mwalling's truck
19:30<sirpengi>I wanna see a gong designed and used solely as a burglar alarm
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19:32*HoopyCat steals mwalling's fire truck
19:32<mwalling>good point
19:32<mwalling>if i install an ADT like system on my truck, and HoopyCat steals it... and an alarm goes off...
19:32<HoopyCat>does it make a sound? NOT UNLESS YOU'RE MISS DEMEANOR
19:33<sirpengi>that makes your truck an authorized emergency vehicle. QED.
19:33<HoopyCat>breaking new york state law is fun
19:33<HoopyCat><--- did it yesterday
19:33<@pparadis><--- did it today, with urmom
19:34<@jed><---- did urmom today, with it
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19:34<pharaun>you break the new york state law just by existing
19:35<mwalling>pharaun: true story
19:35<HoopyCat>if f(t) is piecewise continious on [0, inf) and of exponential order a, then L{f}(urmom) exists for urmom>a.
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19:36<Winkie>HoopyCat: rude
19:36<Nivex>did you just fucking use calculus?
19:36<@pparadis>Winkie: horse pop
19:36<Winkie>nah he used fucking calculus
19:36<Nivex>Winkie: well put
19:37<Winkie>sup pparadis
19:37<@pparadis>sup sup
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19:37<Winkie>nm being too lazy to fix up my linode
19:37<HoopyCat>Nivex: i'm just sayin' there's conditions for existence of the urmomform
19:38<Winkie>i need to take a calculus course again
19:38<Winkie>i've been meaning to go through the MIT series on linear algebra too
19:41<HoopyCat>i have my third diffeq exam (out of three, not including the final) at 0800 tomorrow
19:41<@pparadis>ffs that's awful
19:42<HoopyCat>current grade is 78.1%, which is tenacious
19:42<Winkie>HoopyCat: it's been a decade since i did any differential equations / integration
19:43<Winkie>and i've lost any of the skills i had
19:43<Winkie>it's quite painful to observe too cause i know the principles, but i can't remember the procedure
19:44<HoopyCat>my trig skills are absolutely nothing to write home about, except to implore someone to look around and see if i left them there
19:44<pharaun>diff eq wasn't too bad it was discrete that sucked
19:48<HoopyCat>odds are good your prof wasn't the one who got stuck teaching the 8am section to a bunch of students too apathetic to negotiate/bribe/fellate their way out of the 8am section
19:48<Yaakov>I like addition. With integers. Of single digits. Under 5.
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19:49<@pparadis>a certain bear likes under 5, too
19:51<pharaun>HoopyCat: i had no choice, i had to take whatever time, whatever course, the interpreter service wont to interpret
19:51<pharaun>HoopyCat: so if they wanted to do 8am, i was screwed regardless
19:54<HoopyCat>pharaun: mutually assured destruction
19:55<HoopyCat>pharaun: i end up with whatever time, whatever course, isn't closed by the time i get to register :-)
19:57<pharaun>HoopyCat: heh indeed, i was not happy cos i had to deal with interpreter support and all of the dumbasses plus course schedule plus registeration plus plug arugh
19:57<HoopyCat>pharaun: my major ends up being mostly night classes, it seems, so that may help...
19:57<pharaun>but yeah being a senior was nice, i got first picking of the course and usually i *set* the course that was interpreter
19:57<pharaun>in the latter years so that was nice
19:57<HoopyCat>in that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" way
19:57<pharaun>HoopyCat: indeed
19:58<pharaun>you wouldn't believe how many time i had the perfect schedule
19:58<pharaun>then some fuckwad went and registered an 8am course and screwed me
19:58<pharaun>and of course the interpreter service would all rush over to the 8am course and i end up having 5 8am course that all conflicted!
19:59<HoopyCat>i got an e-mail from the department secretary asking me to consider switching to another section of one lab, which gives me that "my section's gonna get canned" feeling
19:59<HoopyCat>and that "10am to 10pm, with a 2-hour gap from 4pm to 6pm" feeling
20:00<pharaun>oh haha
20:00<pharaun>i liked 10am to 4pm myself good hours, but past 4pm or before 10am things tends to go to hell
20:00<pharaun>with apathic people or stoned teachers or whatever
20:01<pharaun>had a couple teachers who i suspect of being stoners
20:01<pharaun>oh yeah HoopyCat did you have to take FYE ?
20:01<HoopyCat>i start having transportation logistics... 8am means leaving the house at 6am if i'm taking the bus, for instance
20:01<G>haha stoned teachers...
20:01<HoopyCat>pharaun: i've never been a first-year student :-)
20:01<pharaun>or did you transferring in exempt you from that
20:01<HoopyCat>pharaun: well, not at RIT at least
20:01<pharaun>HoopyCat: yeah i'm aware but i was wondering
20:02<pharaun>HoopyCat: hahaha bus? hahaha rochester bus system is a joke
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20:02<pharaun>the on campus bus wasn't bad i used it a bit but it improved
20:02<pharaun>used to be once every 30min or once a hour, i forgot
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20:05<pharaun>HoopyCat: oh god
20:05<HoopyCat>pharaun: that was how i got to RIT this mornin'. good thing is that the 11X/18X doesn't debit my card, more often than not... it is 99% schoolkids with passes, so they put the broken fareboxes on the X routes
20:06<pharaun>my worse place distance wise was when i lived in greece, on ridge road, the 490/390 was a clusterfuck
20:06<pharaun>HoopyCat: ah? haha
20:06<pharaun>that works :)
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20:06<pharaun>but still
20:08<HoopyCat>pharaun: 10am is achievable on the bus. bring a magazine. also, 104->390SB->490EB at 7am is WICKED fun
20:09<HoopyCat>pharaun: did that a lot this summer... better drivers than 104EB->590SB by far
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20:10<pharaun>HoopyCat: ah, heh indeed
20:10<pharaun>i was able to find a few back road route that kept me away from the interstates
20:10<pharaun>kept me somewhat... sane :-p
20:10<pharaun>beside most of my course that year was 8am -_-
20:11<pharaun>one thing is i also used to live at riverton knolls, on east river road and i90
20:11<pharaun>not bad location, but i was not happy about the bus service, they only had it twice a day 6am and 6pm
20:11<pharaun>again.... with my luck i had a ton of after 6pm courses that year -_-
20:12<HoopyCat>7:30am is not fun... ended up in ontario county on 104 a lot early last winter, too, and noticed that there was a big clot of cars at about 6:45am that i really really wanted to not get involved with. weird how precisely stuff like that is timed
20:12<HoopyCat>hang on a sec, integrating by parts
20:12<pharaun>hehe parts? fun :-p
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20:25<HoopyCat>pharaun: weird thing is that the bus is less stressful than driving... i tend to procrastinate a bit and leave home at an inopportune driving time
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20:26<HoopyCat>pharaun: plus i don't have to futz with parking
20:27<HoopyCat>pharaun: (this quarter was pretty good... monday 9:30 bus, wednesday 7:30 bus, tuesday/thursday drop wife off at work at 7am and arrive with ample time for 8am class)
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20:31<pharaun>HoopyCat: hehe indeed that was one thing i liked bout the bus but i never really have a chance to really use it, but yeah i have the same issue with procrastinating but lucky here i'm just 5 miles up the road from work so its not bad
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20:35<HoopyCat>pharaun: i'm farther from RIT than i think i am
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20:41<HoopyCat>pharaun: i'm not sure how much RIT bribed RGRTA, but gleason loop seems to have nothing but the most swank and peripatetic articulateds
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20:56<guy>Deployment Disk Size [] MB
20:56<guy>450 MB min, 0 MB max
20:57<guy>jed: up?
20:58<@jed>that's not a bug
20:58<@jed>you need to delete disk images before you redeploy
20:59<guy>It is still disturbing.
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21:01<MECU>how can I force an error to see if apache is writing to the error log?
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21:03<foiis>hi, are referral codes anonymous or can the referrer see the referee?
21:03<@jed>they're anonymous
21:03<@jed>he can see that he got one, but not who
21:03<@jed>it'd be a violation of the privacy policy, technically
21:03<foiis>awesome, thanks
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21:06<HoopyCat>MECU: a 404 should do it
21:06<MECU>that's what I thought, but it's not writing to it... the GET shows up in the access.log (with a 500 code) but nothing in the error.log
21:07<HoopyCat>MECU: is it a script or something generating the 500? if it doesn't spit to stderr, i don't believe it'll get error.log'd
21:07<MECU>no, I just tried a file I knew wasn't there
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21:08<mwalling>who should be getting that request?
21:08<mwalling>the httpd? another app server?
21:09<mwalling>are there ErrorLog directives specified (or the appropriate thing for your httpd)
21:10<MECU>it was working, then I deleted the error.log file and recreated it
21:10<mwalling>bounce apache
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21:10<mwalling>or send it some magical signal
21:11<mwalling>but restarting it is more fun
21:11<mwalling>basicly, you deleted the name to the file, but not the file. apache still has the file open, so it is still writing to it happily
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21:12<mwalling>you jusst cant find the file any more since you deleted the name which is the (easiest) way to get to it from userspace
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21:12<mwalling>its probably still there in /proc somewhere. have fun. i'm going to go get drunk while i watch you do that
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21:16<MECU>I restarted, doesn't seem to have worked. The reason I want to see in my error log is that nothing works except my phpmyadmin folder.
21:18<MECU>ok, nothing is an exaggeration... just php interpretation
21:18<MECU>but php works for phpmyadmin, so....
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21:23<sirpengi>MECU: what's going wrong?
21:24<MECU>my php doesn't seem to be interpreting and I can only see 500 codes in my access.log
21:24<MECU>(I can't see anything in my error.log, it's empty and isn't getting written to)
21:25<sirpengi>MECU: why don't you think your php is being interpreted?
21:25<HoopyCat>does creating a blah.php with <?phpinfo();?> do anything?
21:25<HoopyCat>(or whatever the syntax might be)
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21:26<MECU>maybe it's some other sort of config... if I just go the IP it shows the virtual directory of the default apache location
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21:28<sirpengi>that's not an issue with php being interpreted or not, that's an issue in your site/virtualhost config
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21:53<MECU>I think my virtualhost config is okay, otherwise wouldn't work, right?
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22:03<A-KO>MECU: I'd be concerned with allowing PHPMYADMIN public access to the internet without HTTPS and without another layer of authentication on top of it in addition to the database-level authentication it uses.
22:03<A-KO>In fact
22:03<A-KO>but that's just me :P
22:03<MECU>I agree, I'm working on getting there
22:04<A-KO>but yes, if it works
22:04<A-KO>your vhost config is at least in a functional state
22:04<MECU>I'm prettysure I've narrowed it down to WordPress
22:05<sirpengi>MECU: well, your directive for the /phpmyadmin directory might be right, but the rest of the virtualhost config might be missing something
22:05<A-KO>that's true, too
22:05<sirpengi>MECU: you still haven't answered my question about what you mean with php not being interpreted
22:06<MECU>well, sub directories are showing the virtual index, I can show images and text files and phpinfo() and run php in a sub folder.... so I'm pretty sure it's WordPress now
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22:06<MECU>I was wrong sirpengi
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22:08<MECU>seems I have the "white screen of death"...
22:09<encode> <-- moar speed
22:09<sirpengi>MECU: and if you view source on the page, you have nothing?
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22:10<MECU>view source on the page? I don't see source. Text file, I meant a .txt or .html with just html code.
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22:16<JoeK>is there a way to diagnose a problem with my email (google apps) ?
22:16<JoeK>im not receiving emails, and my Spam folder is empty
22:16<JoeK>the spam folder being empty is what gave the problem away
22:16<MJCS>holy of the 'storm chasers' dided
22:20<saikat>If I clone linode A to linode B, is it safe to turn on linode A while the "Migrate filesystem" job is running on linode B?
22:20<@ericoc>saikat: i wouldn't recommend it
22:20<MJCS>i wouldnt risk it
22:20<tjfontaine>for a consistent state I would say no
22:21<@ericoc>but i don't think the boot job will run until after the previous jobs complete
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22:28<JoeK>quening system
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22:47<amitz>boots job
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22:59<rinoazeny1>Hi guys
22:59<rinoazeny1>I'm just wondering how easy it is to upgrade your Linode?
22:59<bob2>as long as there is space in your dc
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22:59<rinoazeny1>I'm thinking of starting off on a cheap plan but definitely wish to move to higher bandwidth later
23:00<HoopyCat>relatively painless... at an opportune time, initiate the resize and it'll shut down your linode, relocate it, and start it back up
23:00<Luizg_>rinoazeny1: you mean traffic, not bandwidth?
23:00<rinoazeny1>yes sorry, I do mean traffic
23:01<HoopyCat>rinoazeny1: if you're looking for more monthly allowance, the quota is pooled for all linodes on your account (so, if you're going from, say, 360 to 720 to double from 200 GB to 400 GB, you can instead get a second 360 for the same result)
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23:03<rinoazeny1>ok I see
23:03<rinoazeny1>thanks guys, I'll make an order now.
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23:04<Daevien>HoopyCat: get with the times dude, no more 360s :p
23:05<HoopyCat>wtf... yeah, i meant 512 and 1024
23:05<rinoazeny1>Ah I see, I was a bit confused on that :p
23:05<Daevien>rinoazeny1: hoopy sniffs glue, don't mind him
23:05<HoopyCat>week 9. brain's a little melty
23:06<purrdeta>I have such a love hate relationship with my Japanese class :/
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23:18<Joel>can anyone give me a tip on setting up passwordless logins for ubuntu (using keys)?
23:18<HoopyCat>amitz: 16 weeks of differential equations and data analysis and technical programming and philosophy all crammed into 10 gory weeks
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23:19<HoopyCat>Joel: on your local machine, if you haven't done so before, use "ssh-keygen" to create your keypair; then, ssh-copy-id you@remotemachine
23:19<HoopyCat>i bet there's a library article... hmm
23:19<encode>ahh crap! intrepid has disappeared from apt
23:20<Joel>The Linode article doesn't seem complete... i see sshd_config isn't mentioned (to enable passwordless logins)
23:20<Joel>i've followed other ones, but just get a "remote server rejected key" message.
23:21<Joel>i put them in .ssh/authorized_keys... set permissions to 700 & 600
23:21<HoopyCat>Joel: i don't believe sshd_config needs any changes to allow someone to log in with a keypair
23:21<OvrLrd-Q>you sure you put the right thing into authorized_keys?
23:21<bob2>it does not
23:21<bob2>read the logs on the server, turning up the loglevel if needed
23:22<Joel>how do you turn up the log level?
23:22<sirpengi>that's why you use ssh-copy-id rather then adding them in manually
23:22<Joel>copy-id? what is that for?
23:22<HoopyCat>Joel: the entry (or entries) in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys look something like this, right? ssh-rsa AAAAAAAabout-375-bytes-of-base64-all-on-one-line
23:23<encode>where can I find an apt mirror for intrepid?
23:23<HoopyCat>Joel: ssh-copy-id logs into a remote system and implants your public key in .ssh/authorized_keys
23:23<HoopyCat>encode: umm
23:24<Joel>let me look.
23:24<HoopyCat>encode: well, it's november 3, 2010...
23:24<linbot>New news from forums: Apache: mod_pagespeed in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
23:24<encode>yeah. I don't really want to dist upgrade that machine though
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23:25<amitz>HoopyCat: look at the bright side, it will end earlier!
23:25<amitz>the hard part.
23:25<HoopyCat>encode: will probably get you there. (don't bother doing an upgrade, since there ain't been crap since april)
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23:25<Joel>so you are saying it should start with ssh-rsa?
23:26<Joel>i started this with trying to set up gitosis... so one of them starts out with (git user) command="...
23:26<HoopyCat>Joel: or ssh-dsa or something like that. it will all be on one line, it will NOT say -----BEGIN SOMETHING OR OTHER-----, and it won't be your private key
23:26<HoopyCat>Joel: ah, that's ok
23:27<encode>HoopyCat: thankyou!!!
23:29<Joel>hey... that did it. thanks!
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23:30<Joel>at least as a user i can log in... still not sure about gitosis... but a better start.
23:30<HoopyCat>Joel: note that it will only accept that key if you're running the exact command specified, if you're using the command= option. ('tis what it's for. really handy for automations, but yeah, it adds some complexity :-)
23:30<HoopyCat>ok, dang late. time to sleep. g'nite folx
23:31<Joel>so i _have to have the command part for gitosis?
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23:35<Joel>anyone know git/bash?
23:35<sirpengi>those aren't exactly related tools
23:37<sirpengi>yay, I'm off of work!
23:38<Joel>well... i trying to use my key that i generated in git-bash to access remote repo on my server... I don't think its employing the key basically.
23:39<Joel>what makes ssh at the command line use a key? where does it try to get it from?
23:40<Joel>should it pick up the one in .ssh/
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23:55<dstufft>does linode support vanity dns?
23:55<bob2>it supports rdns, yes
23:55<bob2>(one ip included with each linode, one more available for a small amount of money per month, more if you can justify them to ARIN)
23:55<dstufft>not rdns
23:55<dstufft> etc
23:56<dstufft>i currently use dns made easy which let's me do that, wasn't sure if linode would let me do that or not
23:57<bob2>you can set A records to point at linode's namserber's ips if you insist
23:57<bob2>but you will not be notified if/when they change
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23:59<linbot>SelfishMan: Point (0.8274942358, 0.7621492420) is not within the circle. Running total: 4245/5358 (pi is about 3.1690929451)
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