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---Logopened Thu Dec 02 00:00:10 2010
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00:02<amitz>G: anyway, what I like about your nick is how you don't taint my connotation of words.
00:03<amitz>s/words/names in real life/
00:03<G>amitz: hmmm?
00:04<G>sorry not thinking straight today
00:05<amitz>Not many people named G. Cats that jump around may remind me of HoopyCat. Fisherman may remind me of SelfishMan.
00:06<G>amitz: oh right
00:06<G>amitz: so you don't see a black man and think "OH thats homie G from IRC" thats good
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00:07<amitz>I luckily doesn't know that reference ;-)
00:08<amitz>and feels ok to keep it that way :-p
00:09<G>darn, you distracted me from what I was looking for :P
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00:10<encode> !pi
00:10<G>amitz: okay you are forgiven I found it :)
00:11<Peng|>There's that guy on NCIS LA named G... :D
00:12<G>Peng|: is he?
00:12<G>I've only watched one or two NCIS LA epis
00:12<amitz>G: I accept your forgiveness then. *smug*
00:12<G>prefer the NCIS original series
00:12<Peng|>Yeah, G. Callan. Or Callan G. I'm never sure of that.
00:12<Peng|>G: Are you a hot, badass secret agent?
00:12<ejp>NCIS LA is unspeakably shitty
00:13<G>Peng|: I can neither confirm or deny that statement
00:13<amitz>Peng|: red headed bad ass secret agent!
00:13<G>Peng|: and I'll now have to kill you
00:13<Peng|>Shrug. NCIS LA entertains me. And Glee and NCIS-original are on in the same timeslot.
00:13<Peng|>(Yes, timeslots. My TV has an antenna too!)
00:13<G>Peng|: Hulu Glee
00:14<ejp>gah, glee
00:14<G>and yeah, never watched Glee
00:14<G>and from the descriptions don't count on it
00:14<Peng|>G: It may or may not be better than its description.
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00:15<amitz>but yeah, it's getting worse. It becomes "yet another drama comedy that leverages on existing fame to advance controversial plot to keep people entertained"
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00:21<amitz>tv industry in US should learn from manga industry. Most serialized mangas must pass voting system to be serialized. Once serizalized it must constantly rated high on every release (every week, bi-weekly, month) to prevent from being dropped. They're given probably 4 chapters to end everything if you suck. No in-advance advertisement. Everybody manga competes on equal ground.
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00:21<amitz>be rated*
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00:22<amitz>yes, tv executives has no business in developing/promoting content.
00:23<amitz>and feel free to correct me on US' TV industry. My understanding is gathered from tidbits here and there.
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00:27<blognewb>OMG. is this real???
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00:30<Karrde>yes, spambots are real
00:31<Peng|>amitz: TV or manga, there's lots of crap and some good series get canceled.
00:33<Peng|>Although manga seems to be better about telling a serial story and then ending it. Serial US TV shows either get canceled halfway through because of bad ratings or keep churning out mediocre stories years after they should have ended.
00:33<Peng|>US TV rarely ends on a high note. :P
00:33<amitz>Peng|: at least, it's good not popular manga that get canceled. Not good and popular manga.
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00:35<amitz>Peng|: yes, I feel that US TV shows can do better. But I suspect money and reputation matter more in deciding the fate of a series than quality or popularity.
00:35<amitz>tv executive reputation.
00:36<Peng|>amitz: Money and popularity are usually very closely related.
00:36<amitz>I keep missing words these days, I hope it's not a symptom of an underlying serious problem.
00:37<Peng|>amitz: Quality definitely doesn't matter. TV is a business, after all.
00:37<Peng|>amitz: IRC rots your brain!
00:38<Peng|>Besides, quality is subjective. Ratings and profits are easily quantifiable. :)
00:38<amitz>Peng|: I read somewhere, each TV executive has a project, a tv series (s)he develops/advertises/delivers. If TV executive keeps running his/her predecessor project, (s)he won't get the reputation.
00:38<Peng|>amitz: I have no idea about that.
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00:39<Peng|>amitz: I point out that there are lots of long-running series, though.
00:39<amitz>and this issue of personal reputation attributable to individual executive, matters more than overall profit of the company, or so I heard.
00:40<amitz>Peng|: which is a good point. Either the original executive still work there, or it's a counter-example to what I said, or there is no connection.
00:41<amitz>see how "there is no connection" is a redundancy...? hmmm
00:41<Peng|>I don't think it was redundant.
00:42<amitz>to be more precise, it can be made redundant by adding more words on the second possibility.
00:42<Peng|>These glasses magnify everything slightly. It's not a problem, but my fingers look kinda strange if I think about it.
00:42<amitz>eye glasses?
00:43<Peng|>Safety and sunglasss. Nothing prescription. I'm wearing them for fun. And you never know when the laptop might suddenly start shooting UV rays or shards of plastic!
00:45<Peng|>Plus, they're new, and when I get a new toy, I play with it constantly until I get bored, and then start acting normal. :)
00:45<amitz>My teacher used to think something was wrong with me. And she called my parent to show what she meant. She asked me to copy a full sentence in front of them. I copied, and she was confused. Turned out that she believed I may have a problem with language because I often omitted words I believed redundant when writing.
00:45<Peng|>Were they really redundant? :P
00:46<Peng|>I've never noticed anything wacky about your writing in here.
00:47<amitz>Well... for exam purposes, yes. Example, copy this sentence and fill in the blank on the sentence: "I __ working in the market". I wrote: "I am working." I thought I didn't need to write down everything, I just needed to show the teacher I knew the answer.
00:48<Peng|>Heh. So you remove unnecessary details?
00:49<amitz>yep, but given the structure of our local language, where you can put many kind of words in between, it's understandable that I might have looked like as if "can't see some words" :-p
00:49<amitz>Nice teacher if I think about it but she should have talked to me first. :-p
00:50<Peng|>Yeah. At least it worked out fairly easily.
00:51<amitz>yeah, luckily she and my parents don't suddenly put me on perscription :-p
00:52<Peng|>Maybe they would've just thrown you in some sort of remedial reading class. :P
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00:54<amitz>we didn't have one (un)fortunately.
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00:55<amitz>what's funny is how in later days, I speak and write more redundantly than average writing of people. I was like that for quite a long time...
00:55<amitz>spoke and wrote*
00:56<amitz>well, not really redundant, more like over-explaining.
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01:00<amitz>hmm let see. What do you think about #linode? #linode is the official support channel of linode, but the helpers are not all linode staff, and not all the helps are officially endorsed help, because there are some people who volunteer to help, although they don't exactly volunteer, more like hanging out in the channel and helping people on their whim. Something like that.
01:01<dcraig>I sorta feel like you under-explained in that instance
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01:02<amitz>dcraig: because you're like me!
01:02<Mike2>hello all.. anyone know how to install an ISO image on Linode?
01:03<linbot>amitz: (say <channel> <text>) -- Sends <text> to <channel>.
01:03<dcraig>first eject the cd drive
01:03<bob2>do you mean "How do I install an OS on a linode from a .iso"?
01:03<Mike2>Yes bob2
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01:04<dcraig>maybe something like this would work?
01:04<amitz>linbot trusts me!
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01:05<dcraig>what distro are you wanting to install?
01:05*bob2 bets on rhel
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01:05*amitz bets on ubuntu
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01:05<Mike2>thanks dcraig..
01:06<Mike2>another question.. is it possible to get 2 NICS on a Linode? eth0 and eth1 ?
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01:06*amitz cancels his bet.
01:06<dcraig>you can have eth0 and eth0:0 and eth0:1
01:06<Peng|>Mike2: No. Why?
01:06<Peng|>Mike2: Just curious, which distro are you installing?
01:07<Mike2>I want to install a security product.. an intrussion prevention system and need 2 NICs.. one in and one out so I can flow traffic thru it for inspection
01:08<SelfishMan>Mike2: no, you can not have two physical interfaces
01:08<bob2>and what traffic will you be inspecting?
01:08<Mike2>web traffic.. HTTP
01:08<bob2>between what and what?
01:08*SelfishMan wonders why two interfaces would be needed to inspect local traffic
01:09<Mike2>between the internet and another Linode on the same IP network (need routing)
01:09<bob2>ok, no need for multiple interfaces then
01:09<Peng|>Mike2: Your security product should support clever IP-based rules.
01:09<Mike2>one armed security product?
01:09<Mike2>nah.. cant do it with the one I'm trying to get working
01:10<dcraig>and this security product exists as its own linux distro?
01:10<bob2>oh, crappy proprietary 'security' software
01:10<dcraig>I feel like you're over my head :p
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01:10<Mike2>yeah.. own distro, derived from Debian
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01:11<amitz>bob2: if I didn't cancel my bet, I kind of win the bet. Let it be noted :-p
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01:11<jimmybaker>where's the documentation on creating stackscripts?
01:11<SelfishMan>Mike2: by "security product" I assume you really mean "large collection of open source apps that someone else is rebranding and charged me too much money for"?
01:11<jimmybaker>looking for the way to install mysql server without it prompting for a password
01:11<Mike2>Selfishman: sure... :-)
01:12<dcraig>Mike2, what's its name?
01:12<Mike2>dcraig: Untangle
01:12<SelfishMan>oh god
01:13<Mike2>thats just one of them.. there are others.. like Endian
01:13<jimmybaker>why can't I see the source of a stackscript anymore?
01:13<bob2>"Multi-functional Firewall Software Helps To Protect Your Home Or Small Business By Making Spam Blocking, Web Filtering, & More Easy!"
01:13<dcraig>sounds awesome
01:13<Mike2>or Vyatta
01:14<dcraig>so you put up a web server, and now you want to keep people out of it, or something?
01:14<Mike2>dcraig: no.. its not a web server..
01:15<SelfishMan>Mike2: your doing it very, very wrong
01:15<dcraig>I thought you were wanting to monitor web traffic or something
01:15<Mike2>selfishman: no I'm not...
01:15<SelfishMan>Mike2: I assure you that you are
01:15<Mike2>selfishman: i assure you I'm not... :-)
01:15<dcraig>I don't even know what he's trying to do!
01:16<SelfishMan>Mike2: if you are trying to put a system running one of those "solutions" in front of a web server then you are in fact doing it very wrong
01:16<Mike2>look at is just as a server that was once in a physical enterprise and its being migrated to the cloud
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01:17<dcraig>so what changes?
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01:17<Mike2>hopefully nothing
01:17<dcraig>then what's the untangle thing for?
01:17<Mike2>it had protection before and needs IPS protection now
01:18<Mike2>it may not be untangle.. it will be an IPS of some sort...Snort or something
01:18<dcraig>you only want a certain range of IP addresses to be able to access the server, or something?
01:19<Mike2>nah.. I want lots to access it but need content inspection of the traffic, otherwise I would just use iptables on the server itself
01:19<dcraig>what are you inspecting for?
01:19<Mike2>content inspection will prevention various attacks against it
01:19<Mike2>attacks... SQL Injection, XSS, Buffer Overflow
01:19*G facepalms
01:20<Mike2>Cookie manipulation
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01:20<Mike2>uh.. yeah... standard stuff security guys think about
01:20<SelfishMan>PROTIP: You can save yourself a lot of hassle when building a web app by relying on something else that costs way too much money to make it secure
01:21<dcraig>so the firewall keeps you from writing bad php and sql?
01:21<Mike2>not a firewall, an IPS...
01:21<dcraig>oh, so like a really smart firewall
01:21<amitz>Mike2: what we're trying to say is ...hmm ... the security distro is not as effective as you would think it is.
01:22<SelfishMan>amitz: not saying that at all
01:22<G>Mike2: let me guess, you are going to be forwarding the traffic to the public IP of the 2nd node right?
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01:23<Mike2>traffic goes from one node, gets inspected, then sent to the second node
01:23<amitz>SelfishMan: tactical delivery.
01:23<linbot>Yo momma's so dumb, she tried to exorcize the daemons from her Linode! (751:6/1) [omumr]
01:23<G>Mike2: that wasn't my question....
01:25<czr>most IPSes that I've encountered get turned off eventually because of crappy software.
01:25<Mike2>G: whats your question again?
01:26<dcraig>I think the web server or whatever will just listen on the private LAN IP
01:26<dcraig>and probably only accept requests from the IPS's private LAN IP
01:26<G>Mike2: my question is: are you then going to route the traffic post IPS to the web server, or as dcraig is saying over the private IP
01:27<Mike2>yes, routing the traffic POST IPS to the "web / application / database" server
01:28<linbot>amitz: Yo momma's so nasty she had sex with mikegrb and then kissed pparadis (826:27/11) [ommur]
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01:28<amitz>linbot really hates me ;_;
01:28<SelfishMan>Mike2: It seems like you are intentionally being as evasive as you possibly can
01:28<linbot>amitz: Voted up 826 [mmrou]
01:29*Peng| evades urmom
01:29<amitz>SelfishMan: or not really comfortable with some terms.
01:29<dcraig>if he explains things too well, we'll be able to hack in
01:30<dcraig>and get away with cookie manipulation
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01:30<czr>it's gingerbread cookie time coming soon
01:30<G>SelfishMan: agreed
01:30<czr>maybe that's it.
01:30<SelfishMan>amitz: nah, saying you are trying to use a certain product then mentioning all the solutions like it is being evasive
01:31*G wonders how many sites hosted in the cloud actually use IPS solutions :P
01:32<dcraig>it seems to me that the main distinction isn't that it's now "in the cloud", it's that a machine that used to exist on a private LAN is now reachable from the internet
01:33<Peng|>I reached urmom from the internet.
01:34<Peng|>Or...urmom is on my private LAN, maybe?
01:34<amitz>urmom is set to promiscuous mode.
01:34<SelfishMan>Peng|: urmom's buffer couldn't handle the size of my packet
01:34<dcraig>I've deployed instances of my mom to lots of places
01:34<SelfishMan>amitz: too easy
01:36<amitz>SelfishMan: urmom uses knockd for protection but I knockered urmom anyway.
01:37<SelfishMan>amitz: I don't get it
01:37<dcraig>he knows the sequence
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01:51<Solver>when you knocked did she open a port?
01:51<encode>no, she dropped the packet
01:52<Solver>and on that note I will sleep(1)
01:52<Peng|>Solver: Sweet dreams.
01:52<Solver>night :)
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01:56<czr>Solver, remember to block signals before doing that
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02:21<linbot>New news from forums: HOWTO: Setting up your Debian Linode (lighttpd,mysql,+more!) in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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02:42<Cromulent>morning Linode people :)
02:42<czr>and androids!
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02:53<megatron27>going to try out bitbucket
02:54<megatron27>hopefully it kicks ass
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02:59<Cromulent>megatron27: bitbucket is pretty cool - especially as you get 5 private repos on the free account
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02:59<megatron27>unlimited disk space too
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03:00<czr>megatron27, there is no such thing as unlimited disk space!
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03:01<sirpengi>bitbucket rocks
03:02<megatron27>yeah all the cool kids are using github but I could never understand git
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03:02<sirpengi>git has it's good points
03:02<sirpengi>but it's wrapped in poop
03:03<chris>Once you stop trying to think of git like it's svn it's really straightforward
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03:03<chris>hell, 90% of your workflow for anything is: init or clone a repo, add files, commit
03:03<sirpengi>git and straightforward don't go together in one sentence
03:03<megatron27>yeah, I think the tools are written in Perl (with a C core) if that's what you mean...
03:04<chris>sirpengi: could you specifically list a grievance beyond "wrapped in poop" ?
03:05<sirpengi>the system uses a poor choice of verbs
03:05<megatron27>this is so sexy -
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03:06<sirpengi>in particular, I like how 'checkout' is used to switch brances as well as revert changes in a particular file
03:06<amitz>megatron27: nice.
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03:07<chris>That actually makes sense to me since lacking a branch identifier means it assumes you're checking the path out from the current head
03:08<chris>If you don't come into it thinking "Why isn't it like svn", everything tends to make sense within its namespace
03:09<megatron27>yeah, you might be right, sames goes for MS Office users switch to
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03:09<amitz>I thought git implies that you must trust all committers to communicate well with each other to makes sure they unknowingly make incompatible update?
03:09<sirpengi>my gripe is more "why doesn't it use the same verbs that every other SCM uses"
03:10<amitz>aka: either doesn't scale or no moron is allowed among committers
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03:10<chris>amitz: er, what. No, that's not the case at all.
03:10<chris>That's the exact opposite of how it's largely used even o>O
03:11<hawk>amitz: Well, if there are incompatible updates you'll have to merge... but that's the same situation as with any other scm
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03:11<chris>sirpengi: if I had to guess, it's because it functions dramatically differently than svn/cvs when it comes to things like branching, remote repos, etc. Trying to cram everything into the same verbage would result in a clunkier interface I suspect
03:11<amitz>hawk: but there is no mechanism to ensure that the other party is not updatingthe very same module, for example?
03:12<chris>amitz: the only things that do that are perforce and sourcesafe
03:12<chris>and by large, most projects do not need that
03:12<sirpengi>revert in mostly any other SCM means "discard local changes". that's reset in git. git revert is something else
03:12<amitz>where both parties make radical changes on many modules that depend on that particular module?
03:12<chris>sirpengi: git revert reverts you back to a head state. It makes perfect sense, it is just not the same as in svn
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03:13<sirpengi>chris: no, git revert adds a commit that undoes a previous commit
03:13<chris>you're right, I was saying reset
03:13<chris>amitz: git is designed for systems where many contributors work on many things and have overlap. This is why there are powerful cherry pick and rebase tools
03:14<chris>I would go insane if i had to lock some kernel file at work to do my job
03:14<sirpengi>so why not call git-reset revert (like everyone else does), and use a better verb for git-revert, like git-rollback?
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03:15<hawk>amitz: If you really have such a situation in reality I'm not sure that any SCM that doesn't outright disallow access to files that anyone else is touching can save you.
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03:15<chris>Probably because revert's goal is to reverse a target commit, not roll back a branch. rollback seems ambiguous. Really, revert/reset are the only verb usage I would agree could be confusing with other scms
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03:15<chris>So I don't mind them
03:16<sirpengi>well, as someone that uses a variety of SCMs, it annoys me
03:16<marius> blacklisting of linode IPs so I can't send emails to my google apps mail form my node; anyone know how to get the blacklist removed?
03:16<megatron27>Clearcase is what you want @ amitz
03:16<marius>(The IP on my node was apparently owned by someone runnign a spam mail service and google decided to blacklist it)
03:17<megatron27>be prepared to sacrifice a future Ferrari and your kid's college education
03:17<megatron27>but heck, you can do module locking
03:17<megatron27>college is overrated anyway
03:18<amitz>megatron27: hmm, will see clearcase
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03:19<sirpengi>marius: how do you know you've been blacklisted?
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03:20<megatron27>Ferraris probably don't get good mileage anyway
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03:22<marius>sirpengi: because my mailerror log shows "rejected: blacklisted due to spam" as the response from googles mailserver
03:23<marius>(not wit hthose exact words of course, they word it longer and more technically)
03:23<amitz>oh, that expensive? clearcase? hmm
03:24<Peng|>marius: If you're sure it's an IP blacklist, short term, get another IP. Long term, contact Google. If they're useless, contact Linode; they may have, uh, contacts.
03:24<Peng|>marius: The IP could be in lots of other blacklists, of course.
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03:24<megatron27>can we have something like the Jimmy Wales appeal on
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03:25<marius>Peng, of course, my next step would be to run it against a blacklist tester =)
03:25<megatron27>nice, bitbucket is https......
03:26<marius>But the google one is my #1 concern atm
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03:28<megatron27>rofl, great nick
03:29<Peng|>Ah, now I want some Ruffles. Thanks a lot, mikegrb. :(
03:29<dcraig>they have ridges
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03:29<Peng|>I like ruffling urmom's ridges.
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03:30<dcraig>fu, pengpipe
03:30<dcraig>wb, WebRepairs
03:30<megatron27>I don't get why people ask questions like this -
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03:31<sirpengi>long link is long
03:31<megatron27>unfortunately that's good for SEO
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03:32<Peng|>urmom has long...never mind.
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03:32<dcraig>wb, WebRepairs
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03:33<megatron27>btw, is still available
03:33<megatron27>the domain
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03:33<dcraig>I'm done buying useless domains
03:33<sirpengi>urmom is always available
03:33<dcraig>I have yet to do anything with :(
03:33<Peng|>dcraig: clone!
03:34<dcraig>omg, ok!
03:34<megatron27>daniel craig fan site
03:35<dcraig>who is that?
03:35<marius>The new Bond?
03:35<megatron27>he's the current James Bond
03:35<dcraig>oh ok
03:35<dcraig>that's pretty cool
03:35<marius>H'es quite good, he did an amazing job in Casino Royal
03:35<dcraig>I mean, I'm already famous because of craigslist
03:35<dcraig>but this helps, too
03:37<megatron27>you're the craig from craigslist?
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03:37<dcraig>I don't like to brag
03:38<dcraig>sorry I brought it up
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03:38<dcraig>wb, WebRepairs
03:39<Peng|>dcraig: So is Craigslist hosted on Linode? :P
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03:40<dcraig>a Linode 409600
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03:43<dcraig>wb, WebRepairs
03:43<dcraig>oops, too soon
03:44<megatron27>what's wrong with him
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03:44<dcraig>wb, WebRepairs
03:44<dcraig>I bet something needs...... repaired!
03:45<marius>The intarwebs!
03:45<marius>the tubes, they are leaking!
03:45<czr>they were born leaky
03:46<czr>the leaks keep everything greased up
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03:47<czr>marius, you seen layer cake_
03:48<czr>it's pretty good. probably the reason why dc landed the bond gig. one contributor at least
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03:50<czr>hah. found my alter ego finally. we split off some years back:
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04:00<dcraig>I didn't know you were a personal trainer
04:00<dcraig>I'm looking for more of a life coach though
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04:05<czr>I'm also a rapper..
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04:06<dcraig>I don't really need more rap in my life
04:06<czr>google for "czr ghetto booty" and "czr ghetto musik". seems like I like to make rap about ghetto..
04:06<czr>dcraig, I'm joking obviously(?).
04:06<sirpengi>I happen to be a penguin
04:07<dcraig>I'm listening to your music
04:07<dcraig>ghetto booty seems to be going nowhere fast
04:07<czr>quite probably. I've never heard it.
04:07<dcraig>sort of a poor man's fatboy slim without vocals
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04:08<czr>yeah. "boy slim".
04:08<dcraig>it certainly isn't conjuring up images of booty
04:08<sirpengi>Error! Nonetype: None
04:08<sirpengi>thank you pylons
04:08<czr>maybe it's an euphenism
04:09<czr>sirpengi, it's just remining you of the facts of life.
04:09<dcraig>what could it possibly be a euphemism for?
04:09<czr>once you start seeing: 1+1 = 1! messages, you should be concerned.
04:09<czr>dcraig, like I would understand rappers?
04:10<dcraig>but earlier you said...
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04:10<dcraig>hi tiny
04:12-!-Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:b868:8455::1337] has joined #linode
04:12<czr>why do you feel like hehe?
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04:13<dcraig>I don't know, I just do
04:13<dcraig>hi Vadtec
04:13<dcraig>hi Hoggs
04:14<dcraig>I asked cleverbot how to get rid of this rash
04:15<dcraig>it hasn't been helpful or clever yet
04:15<czr>the 20 chinese people making up the cleverness of the bot are scrambling around google as we speak, solving your problem.
04:15<czr>it's an inverse turing test.
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04:17<dcraig>certainly chinese people should know how to get rid of rashes!
04:17<czr>probably by catching a tiger and eating a half of its testicle.
04:18<czr>that seems to be the answer to all medical problems over there.
04:18<Guest991>tigers, whales.. same diff
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04:20<dcraig>whale balls? lol
04:20<dcraig>mike loves to laugh
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04:23<nitsua>nyt is a funny man
04:23<nitsua>02:19 <nitsua> not all of the martyrs saw divinity
04:23<nitsua>02:20 <nyt> but at least you tried amirite?
04:23<nitsua>02:21 <nyt> well, if you're not going to be forthcoming with any info, it is definitely sleep time for me.
04:23<megatron27>what ever happened to the Facebook Apps craze
04:23<megatron27>only social gaming survived
04:24<nenolod>array: you here?
04:24<nitsua>hi nenolod
04:24<nitsua>why u make fun of weev
04:25<@array>nenolod: yessum :) what's up?
04:25<nenolod>nitsua: i think you have me confused for trelane for the most part
04:25<nitsua>nenolod; nope, u were badmouthing weev
04:27<Raynes>Why do you use 'u' when you clearly mean 'you'? :<
04:27<nitsua>Raynes; who gives a shit
04:27<dcraig>oh snap
04:27<nitsua>Raynes; srsly
04:27<Raynes>Well, I do, of course.
04:27<nitsua>does jame joyce
04:27<nitsua>sit there
04:28<nitsua>and think
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04:30<G>Perihelion: shirt plz :)
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04:36<amitz>czr: rash is too many yin, so cold inducing food are suggested instead ;-)
04:36<dcraig>what kind of food?
04:37<korz>ice cream
04:37<dcraig>oh ok
04:37<korz>so I'm trying to learn linux admin...bit by bit
04:38<korz>and I'm looking for resources on setting up multi-user web hosting
04:38<amitz>dcraig: rosellum, assuming i get the english right.
04:38<korz>I thought the folks down at #linode might have some ideas
04:38<dcraig>is it supposed to be a flower, amitz?
04:39<korz>is suexec necessary?
04:39<korz>this is non-commercial btw
04:40<amitz>supposedly, redish. i never see it unprocessed.
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04:40<dcraig>do you trust your users to not do bad things?
04:40<dcraig>or do you have potentially malicious users?
04:41<amitz>dcraig: i think google result may be accurate.
04:41<korz>dcraig: them personally, sure. people who exploit software they install, not so much :_
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04:42<amitz>dcraig: it's an entertaining pseudo-medicine, a good reading if you have the spare time.
04:43<dcraig>it seems to me poorly written software can't do much more harm running as user "nobody" or as the web server user than it can running as a specific username
04:44<korz>it could wipe out other peoples' vhosts, no?
04:44<dcraig>but I'm no expert!
04:44<dcraig>the web server user usually doesn't have write access to the files it is serving
04:44<dcraig>unless you grant it write access
04:45<korz>I'm running some apps that need the server to have write access
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04:46<anon69951>I've been having persistant problems with my server maxing out it's I/O and becoming unusable until I reboot it - I installed munin by suggestion of someone in here - - is there anything obvious in there that would be causing my problems?
04:48<dcraig>so then the app can delete everything owned by person's username?
04:48<dcraig>instead of just stuff in the "data" directory or whatever your app uses to store things written by the webserver
04:48<sirpengi>anon69951: from what I see, you're running out of memory
04:49<sirpengi>unless I'm reading this chart incorrectly
04:49<dcraig>and what you gain from this setup is that it's now harder for your app to go delete some other user's "data" directory for their different web app
04:49<sirpengi>the colors aren't very helpful
04:49<korz>from which setup?
04:50<dcraig>the one where you use suexec
04:50<korz>right, so you think suexec is a good idea?
04:50<dcraig>I don't, but I'm no expert
04:51<korz>the writeable area is restricted, but it's also important
04:51<dcraig>it's a tradeoff between allowing the webserver to hose an entire person's account (but limiting the damage to just that person) or letting the webserver hose only those directories it can write to (which belong to potentially different users)
04:51<anon69951>sirpengi: Yeah, I've applied all the patches to apache to make it run bettter, and upgraded from Linode512 to Linode712 - same problem
04:52<sirpengi>anon69951: what's your memory usage currently?
04:52<anon69951>I'm only running about 10 Sites (and 10 mySQLs) which total around 15k uniques a month - it shouldnt really be maxing out at that level - right?
04:52<korz>dcraig: that doesn't sound like a tradeoff, it sounds like a no-brainer :)
04:52<anon69951>sirpengi: it runs fine for weeks, then suddenly spikes and makes my sites unusable
04:53<anon69951>I'm using 368MB at the moment
04:54<korz>dcraig: it seems odd that there would be no way to intersect those protections
04:54<korz>e.g. have a webserver-user associated with, but not identical to, the user
04:57<WoodWork>anon69951: I have apache, sql and all that, running for a popular site, in 100mb. It's the tweaks you have to play about with. Let me dig out a few links for you..
04:58<WoodWork>They sure did help me.
04:58<anon69951>Thanks, I'll try those.
04:58<dcraig>well korz, imagine you only have one user
04:58<dcraig>do you want the webserver to be able to hose that one user's whole acocunt, or just the "data" directory the webserver needs to write to?
04:58<WoodWork>No worries, obviously you have to change the apache settings, for your own environment. Otherwise it'll end up rejecting connections.
04:59<dcraig>and if you trust all your users to be good, you can almost pretend that you just have one user
05:00<dcraig>or something
05:00<dcraig>it's only when you start thinking about how your users (or their exploits) might try to attack your *other* users that you have to worry about suexec
05:01<megatron27>help me think of something that desperately needs a web based management tool
05:01<dcraig>the best solution is to probably just not run things that have security bugs ;)
05:02<dcraig>megatron27, you're wanting to make a new tool?
05:02<megatron27>yeah, kind of
05:02<megatron27>I just want to test some web tools with real projects
05:02<korz>dcraig: exactly, thanks for pointing out though that suexec will effectively make the server owner within the vhost
05:03<anon69951>WoodWork: if I don't have a /etc/my.cnf should I create it?
05:04<dcraig>I tend to doubt that some security exploit in joe's wiki will try to attack suzy's blog, but you never know
05:04<korz>well it's the bane of shared hosting
05:05<megatron27>who is this suzy and is she hot
05:06<korz>Yaakov: do you host untrusted users though?
05:07<korz>you're no hippie
05:07<Yaakov>That's true. I wear a tie and don't listen to the rock music.
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05:11<dcraig>I think you still give up the ability to run php as a module, too
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05:12<korz>this seems to fit the bill except it's not updated very often
05:12<dcraig>hey neat
05:13<WoodWork>anon69951: Do you have mySQL installed?
05:13<anon69951>None of these files are in the same place in the tutorial
05:13<WoodWork>You'll have to locate them. ;)
05:13<anon69951>I assume /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf is /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ?
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05:14<marius>or /etc/apache2/httpd.conf =P
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05:16<anon69951>root@CravenPublishing:~# /etc/init.d/mysql restart
05:16<anon69951> * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld [ OK ]
05:16<anon69951> * Starting MySQL database server mysqld [fail]
05:16<dcraig>what'd you do? :p
05:16<anon69951>The stuff in this tutorial :
05:17<korz>you're running mysql4?
05:17<dcraig>the linode library has similar articles
05:17<dcraig>they might be better
05:17<anon69951>I've already used the ones in the linode library
05:17<anon69951>they didnt do much
05:17<anon69951>Where can I find my error.log for mysql
05:18<WoodWork>Anon; you've saved a backup right?
05:18<dcraig>do you know what mysql version you're running?
05:18<anon69951>dcraig: nope
05:18<anon69951>WoodWork: I didn't make any changes to any mysql files
05:18<dcraig>what linux distribution are you using?
05:18<dominikh>php-fpm + separate pools + running as specific uid+gid per pool = instawin
05:18<anon69951>I just added in that my.cnf file
05:18<anon69951>dcraig: Ubuntu 9.04
05:18<dcraig>type dpkg -l mysql*
05:18<korz>dominikh: got any sources? :)
05:18<dcraig>and see which one is installed "with the ii in front"
05:19<dcraig>I put my quotes in weird places
05:19<dcraig>and see which one is installed with the "ii" in front
05:19<anon69951>I think
05:19<dominikh>korz: what kind of sources? php-fpm is at
05:19<dcraig>you might want to use instructions for mysql 5
05:19<korz>dominikh: info sources. I'm pretty green on this, sorry
05:20<korz>'separate pools'?
05:20<anon69951>I just deleted that my.cnf file and it's working again
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05:21<dcraig>did you create /etc/my.cnf or edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf?
05:21<dominikh>korz: well, first thing is to know what php-fpm actually is. it runs a set of PHP interpreters, to which the httpd can connect to process requests. a pool is a set of interpreters, and php-fpm can spawn separate sets of interpreters with different limitations, running with specific UIDs and GIDs
05:21<korz>thank you :) reading on their site also
05:21<dominikh>korz: that implies that PHP will not run as a module in apache, though
05:22<korz>sure, fastcgi is an option
05:23<dominikh> looks out of date though. at least here, the configuration file is not XML at all
05:24<anon69951>dcraig: /etc/my.cnf
05:24<dcraig>you probably want to stick to just making edits to your current configuration file in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
05:25<dcraig>assuming that file exists
05:25<dcraig>and I don't think I'd replace the entire thing with something for mysql 4
05:25<dcraig>without actually understanding the changes you're making
05:25<anon69951>kl thx
05:26<dcraig>but if the suggestions in the linode library didn't help much, it might be the case that the problem lies with your application
05:26<dcraig>and that no amount of fiddling with mysql settings will really fix it
05:26<dcraig>but you never know!
05:27<anon69951>dcraig: in what sense?
05:27<czr>if ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people?
05:27<anon69951>I've already got linode to move me to a new server
05:27<anon69951>set-variable = key_buffer=16K
05:27<anon69951>is that correct?
05:27<Yaakov>When you think you know, look up, something is about to fall on you.
05:27<anon69951>Mine is currently set to 16MB
05:27<korz>dominikh: ok to pm for a sec?
05:28<dominikh>korz: sure
05:29<WoodWork>anon69951: give it a whirl.
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05:30<WoodWork>If it's too low, you can always bring it up higher.
05:30<dcraig>mine is 16M...
05:30<dcraig>is the MB syntax (with the B) valid?
05:33<dcraig>I obviously haven't followed the guide ;)
05:33<anon69951>yeah mine was 16M too, not '16MB'
05:34<anon69951>I'm going to be getting another linode soon for my other projects, is there any fully set up images I can just mount on my linode? can't be arsed setting it all up again? lol
05:34<G>Yaakov: oh yeah, fixed my IPv6 tunnel issue w/in 6 minutes of reporting it :)
05:35<G>still though... argh @ tunnels
05:35<czr>v6, 6 minutes.
05:35<czr>all problems now take +25% more time to solve.
05:35<bob2>anon69951: you can clone your existing image
05:36<G>czr: considering it'd have taken him about 4 minutes to read and reply to my mile long e-mail....
05:36<anon69951>bob2: my existing image is shit. I want a good one :P
05:36<dcraig>it only takes them 4 minutes to respond to problems on their ipv4 network
05:36<bob2>anon69951: maybe someone did a stackscript you can steal
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05:36<czr>G, assuming he read it.
05:36<czr>dcraig, that was my point..
05:37<dcraig>it would have been better if you had rapped it
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05:37<czr>dcraig, without vocals? :-).
05:38<czr>I know, rap'n'mime.
05:38*czr starts shooting the video as we speak
05:38<dcraig>are there french rappers?
05:38<czr>MC Solar at least.
05:38<dcraig>I don't believe it
05:38<czr>well, I believe he's algerian originally.
05:38<anon69951>my linode is still using up 430MB ram after those tweaks :/
05:39<amitz>bitlbee should put its login module as a drop in plugin.
05:39<czr>there are also finnish rappers. which is an interesting concept.
05:39<dcraig>anon69951, where'd you get that number?
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05:39<anon69951>dcraigh: top in ssh
05:40<czr>anon69951, try this:
05:40<dcraig>top says I'm using all my ram, too
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05:40<dcraig>but most of that is disk cache
05:40<dcraig>what's "free -m" say?
05:40<dcraig>particularly the "-/+ buffers/cache" line
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05:42<Rob> mmm nomnomnom :)
05:42<dcraig>the suspense is killing me
05:42<czr>STR FTW.
05:44<WoodWork>anon69951: I'm sure you're reading the wrong line.
05:44<anon69951>Mem: 769672k total, 385736k used, 383936k free, 18232k buffers
05:44<dcraig>that's not the output from typing free -m
05:44<WoodWork>That's top.
05:44<anon69951>the output from free -m is the same
05:44<czr>no it's not.
05:44<anon69951> total used free shared buffers cached
05:44<anon69951>Mem: 751 352 399
05:45<Rob>and the next line! :)
05:45<dcraig>can you paste the line after that?
05:45<czr>anon69951, and the line after the Mem?
05:45<Rob>you can do it
05:45<dcraig>jesus christ
05:45<anon69951>-/+ buffers/cache: 112 638
05:45<dcraig>so you're using 122 MB of RAM
05:45<czr>dcraig, I'm sure he's not on oftc.
05:45<dcraig>and you have 638 MB free
05:45<dcraig>that's better than using 430 MB, right?
05:46<WoodWork>Pretty decent that.
05:46<Yaakov>That RAM isn't free! He pays caker good money for it!
05:46<czr>plus it's soldered onto the memory modules, so hardly free.
05:46<WoodWork>You probably could lower it down to the 512 package.
05:47<czr>seriosuly though, if someone has suggestions on improving meminfo (posted link above), I'm listeining. It's quite sad that I haven't made any changes for many years to it and it's starting to look like abandonware.
05:48<WoodWork>cat /proc/meminfo does it all for me, sorry.
05:48<czr>yes, I'm sure someone says that about VT220 too still.
05:48<Rob>yeah, and with free -m i rarly need to look at meminfo
05:49<Rob>what might be nice is sampeling over time
05:49<Rob>and given intervals
05:49<Rob>we had to make a script to do it for testing
05:49<Rob>which is all of like 5 lines
05:49<Rob>but still!
05:49<Yaakov>czr: Twitter support.
05:50<czr>I have another tool for that infact. was tracing the behaviour of gcc memory usage behaviour for large projects.
05:50<Yaakov>czr: Also, rounded corners.
05:50<czr>it has rounded colors!
05:50<czr>they're in the color of the background.
05:50<czr>but ok. twitter support. /me writes down
05:50<Yaakov>Also, Groupon support.
05:50<czr>groupon what? :-)
05:51<czr>ah. never heard about it..
05:51*czr learns new things
05:51<Yaakov>Wait... it can't even post to FaceBook?!
05:51<czr>no. only to tty at the moment.
05:51<czr>it's somewhat oldschool, I know.
05:51<Rob>constant monitoring with automatic alerts when trigger levels are reached
05:52<czr>Rob, but that's a monitoring system then. not a quick reporting tool
05:52<czr>and that's quite a different beast.
05:52<Yaakov>czr: Does it at least have a built-in calculator?
05:52<czr>since soon you'll want escalations and topology awareness and all that..
05:52<Rob>might be nice
05:52<czr>Yaakov, yes. it is a calculator. it's written in python.
05:52<Yaakov>czr: Yes, good point, add that.
05:52<czr>uhm. I have another project that has all of those.
05:53<czr>but what the hell, I could just rewrite it around meminfo..
05:53<Yaakov>czr: Does it have a blog engine, and JavaScript support?
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05:53<czr>and if anyone will ask, I'll just say that "YAAKOV MADE ME DO IT".
05:53<czr>Yaakov, not yet..
05:54<Yaakov>Also, it needs to be able to export a movie and post to YouTube.
05:54<czr>by javascript you must mean a javascript execution environment that is written with javascript, right?
05:54<Rob>would an snmp interface make you class it as monitoring or a quick query tool? :)
05:54<Rob>that way we could remotly do quick queries! and you can then setup traps n stuff!
05:54<czr>Rob, snmp is like TCP. neither. :-).
05:54<czr>besides, there are already tools to do snmp queries..
05:55<Yaakov>czr: No, he means the other way.
05:55<czr>ah, meminfo will send snmp traps?
05:55<czr>why not indeed.
05:55<Yaakov>czr: That it would serve up a MIB.
05:55<Rob>it would
05:55<czr>and then traps also when facebook is posted to, and also if someone posts on facebook.
05:55<czr>and obviously it would have to run as an free iphone app.
05:55<Yaakov>Also, Groupon alerts.
05:55<czr>I see where you're going with this!
05:56<Rob>I was just thinking of getting info into something like tivoli monitoring but im sure something already does that :)
05:57<czr>heh, a client of mine actually wanted me to do a system performance monitoring tool that periodically would send data as syslog messages..
05:57<czr>(without a local syslogd obviously).
05:57<czr>it was pretty brain-damaged, but who am I to argue with a customer..
05:58<Cromulent>hmm I always think it is the job of a good contractor to persuade customers not to do stupid things
05:58<Cromulent>rather than just be yes men
05:58<czr>Cromulent, they had external reasons of requiring syslog.
05:58<czr>which they couldn't do anything about.
05:58<Cromulent>fair play
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05:59<Yaakov>czr is more of a kyllä mies.
06:00<Yaakov>BUT, in his defense, he snickers while he writes the code.
06:00<czr>heh. kind of. except that I have a nickname in our current project. "Ankea Aleksi" = Dreary Alex.
06:00<czr>because I always say that things are not as simple as people propose they would be.
06:00<czr>and yes, it was a fun quick hit-and-run project to do (the syslog one).
06:01<Yaakov>I would just use a small shell script.
06:02<czr>well, it didn't just report on global memory use. it reported on quite a bit of things.
06:03<czr>(so it wasn't really a good fit for a shell script).
06:04<czr>only tool = hammer, all problems = nails.
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06:28<amitz>czr: why hammer and nail? why not nail gun and nail?
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06:36<Peng|>I wonder if Mibbit or OFTC will shoot me for PMing Peng a bunch of URLs? >.>
06:36<czr>amitz, but you can do so many other things with a nail gun, things that don't revolve around nails!
06:36<czr>Peng|, you'll have to as Peng for permission first.
06:37<czr>Peng|, can't you just post them pastebin or smt and post that url instead? :-)
06:39<Peng|>czr: I hadn't thought of that. Putting a bunch of URLs in a pastebin can get you in trouble too, though.
06:40<czr>rot13 then?
06:40<Peng|>brb ish
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06:52<amitz>czr: same thing applies to hammer to. hammer can be used to, traditionally, put tile in place, putting sealant between glass and frame, and more contemporary things like rendering peng unconcious for further processing.
06:53<czr>amitz, right. so the analogy sucks then. I demand a more precise one without ambiguities pls.
06:54<czr>hammer time?
06:55<amitz>i have a great analogy prepared for this ver instance. hear me out. if allyou have is Perihelion, all people look like marius.
06:56<amitz>for hammering purposes... but then i may have forced the issue :-p
06:56<amitz>chesty: say, are you in melancholistic mood?
06:58<chesty>i guess, was listening to the blue moods of spain
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07:18<HoopyCat>i <3 winter
07:18<Yaakov>"If all you've got are nails you will curse the day you bought the screwdriver."
07:18<HoopyCat>"... but the skyway bridge on route 5 *is* open ..."
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07:19<Yaakov>I totally dis-<3 winter. It should go away.
07:21<HoopyCat>i also enjoy how they put weather service offices at airports, and they put airports at places which historically get relatively little snow
07:22<spkitty>it hasnt stopped snowing here for more than a few hours in the last 5 days
07:22<chesty>you have people servicing the weather?
07:22<HoopyCat>so, officially, buffalo got 4" of snow
07:22<spkitty>most snow i've seen in my life
07:23<JshWright>HoopyCat: except for syracuse...
07:23<JshWright>Syracuse airport gets 10-15" more snow than downtown Syracuse in an average season
07:24<chesty>where is fargo?
07:24<HoopyCat>JshWright: well yeah, you guys are a bunch of cheaters. how're those golden snowballs treating you
07:24<anon69951>spkitty: yeh we have loads here too
07:24<anon69951>10inches or so
07:25<anon69951>worst I've seen since I moved back to Scotland from America (5yrs ago)
07:25<chesty>i gave urmom 10inches
07:25<spkitty>anon69951: i'm in scotland too
07:25<spkitty>apparently it hasn't been this bad for 17 years - i moved here 4 years ago
07:25<anon69951>where abouts?
07:25<Yaakov>He lives in a peat bog.
07:25<spkitty>dundee, you?
07:26<spkitty>Yaakov: that describes most of scotland
07:26<anon69951>ya daftie ;)
07:26<Yaakov>Outside Outside Stornoway.
07:26<Yaakov>And steals WiFi to get on the net.
07:26<spkitty>yeah we're getting it worse than you up here
07:26<spkitty>then again, the good part is that i dont live in glasgow :v
07:27*Yaakov digs up spkitty and fires up his malt drier.
07:28<Rob>hey i live in england and we have like 2 cmd or snow, we demand attention! :)
07:28<Yaakov>I'm gonna make some good whisky, or not, but I won't know until I taste it.
07:29<HoopyCat>just sayin'
07:29<Yaakov>Well, we have 84' of snow so far this season and it just started yesterday.
07:29<spkitty>Rob: that's cool, england has no idea how to deal with snow anyway - so the entire place acts like you got 2 feet worth anyway :v
07:29<Rob>lol tell me about it spkitty :)
07:30<Rob>im from the north east but moved down south :s
07:30<JshWright>We're finally settling in to a winter weather pattern around here... The 10 day forcast is pretty much the same for every day: 30 degrees, with a 40% chance of snow
07:30<Rob>people really cant cope
07:30<Rob>its halarioius
07:30<HoopyCat>JshWright: 40% chance of snow *at any given moment*
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07:34<JshWright>HoopyCat: exactly... it's snowing somewhere in the forecast area all the time, it's just a question of where the lake effect band is at the moment
07:36<HoopyCat>in other buffalo-related news, hall of fame running back orenthal james simpson is not jewish
07:37<mwalling>but you know who is... <blah bla blah, bla bLah blaba>
07:40<HoopyCat>mwalling: if i recall correctly, rod carew (he converted)
07:40<mwalling>i've only got the live version, and there was enough background noise, i wasnt sure
07:41<HoopyCat>it's only the live version
07:41<mwalling>even better
07:41<HoopyCat>afk, shower->conference
07:44<marius>"If a song is released only on Ping, does it make a sound?"
07:44<marius>What an epic comment
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07:47<Talman>Reddit reminds me never to use craigslist to get projects.
07:47<mwalling>you need reddit for that?
07:48<mwalling>i've got a bridge i'm selling
07:48<Talman>The SNR Is high, but I've gotten two paying projects off it.
07:48<Talman>Told several people to fuck off, though. I estimate I've wasted an hourlaughing at people.
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07:52<amitz>wat? bitlbee now support facebook? damn, the temptation to install from source is great...
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07:53<mwalling>amitz: what distro?
07:54<amitz>debian, is looking at squeeze version.
07:54<amitz>niceeee, bitlbee has nightly builds!
07:54<amitz>of debian
07:54<Talman>What is bitlbee?
07:54<Talman>IM client?
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07:55<marius>it's IM on IRC
07:55<marius>bitlbee is the IM service, and yo uconnect ot it with an IRC client
07:55<marius>and IM services are channels
07:56<amitz>oh.. it seems the facebook version is really for chat, not for news feed.
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07:57<amitz>there goes my mood.
07:58<amitz>Yaakov: you definitely haven't used a screwdriver with steel bottom.
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08:01<amitz>wohoo, backports has bitlbee 1.2.7, which means twitter!
08:02<marius>ffs, this raid controller is pissing me off
08:03<marius>"your hardware is not compatible wit hthis raid controller"
08:03<marius>...except I just ran through the raid setup and set up a raid with you >_>
08:03<kainz>megaraid ftl
08:03<kainz>unplug non-disk devices
08:03<marius>using RocketRAID
08:03<marius>My boss is approaching, I'll ask him :P
08:08<amitz>marius: yes, I have reviewed your job application. And I understand your need to be accepted in this new place ASAP since you can't stand your ugly, smelly, tiny boss.
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08:17<Talman>I'm liking this EchoSign thing.
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08:27<@Perihelion>whoooooooo are you
08:27<gbit>Hi, I'm wondering how many domains I can host on the DNS Manager if one linode?
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08:28<@Perihelion>As many as you like
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08:28<gbit>Perihelion, thank you!
08:28<@Perihelion>No problem
08:29<gbit>You guys should have a linode center on Brazil, cuz vps hosting in brazil suxs.
08:31<anon6995>Thats because Brazil sucks.
08:32<gbit>I bet we have more linux users than others countrys.
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08:32<gbit>Cuz license here is expensive..
08:32<anon6995>There's only 10mil people with a broadband connection in brazil
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08:33<graq-irssi>Is there a specific measure to determine if one's website is 'digg proof' ?
08:33<Nivex>How many in the U.S.?
08:34<Nivex>graq-irssi: sure. Does it fall over when you place a digg-like test load on it?
08:34<graq-irssi>Nivex: What is a 'digg-like' test load?
08:34*Nivex shrugs
08:35<Nivex>you would know better than I
08:35<graq-irssi>Heh. I would?
08:35<anon6995>Nivex: 35mil
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08:36<anon6995>That was 4 years ago, I'd imagine it'd be closer to double that now.
08:37<pharaun>graq-irssi: just hammer the shite out of the server
08:37<pharaun>graq-irssi: fix it, then hammer some more shit out of it :)
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08:37<WoodWork>graq-irssi: ;)
08:37<pharaun>post it on ./ or digg and watch it go up in flames? :)
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08:39<WoodWork>that is one way..
08:39<WoodWork>Another is to apache benchmark it.
08:39<WoodWork>man ab
08:39<WoodWork>type that in shell ^
08:40<graq-irssi>I can ab -c 50 -n 5000 on the fron page - took 58 seconds with 0 failures.
08:40<WoodWork>What's the loadimpact ran like?
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08:41<graq-irssi>I'll just pop on over have a look.. biab
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08:42<@Perihelion>I'm running it on a drupal page
08:42<@Perihelion>It caches so it doesn't seem to care
08:43<graq-irssi>Why you sleuth :P
08:43<graq-irssi>My load is 0.05
08:44<amitz>I take it paravirt kernel requires ntp?
08:44<@Perihelion>It takes 30 seconds for the page to load though
08:44<@Perihelion>That's depressing
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08:44*graq-irssi hands out biscuits.
08:45<pharaun>om noms noms
08:45<anon6995>my load time went up to 2.5min at 20 clients lol
08:46<@Perihelion>Mine's at 32 seconds for 30 clients
08:47<@Perihelion>Looks like I have some work to do
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08:47<mwalling>amitz: yes, paravirt cant see the system clock, so it needs a reference clock
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08:48<WoodWork> not bad for me. woo!
08:48*marius pokes peri
08:49<mwalling> i kick all of your asses
08:49<pharaun>mwalling: hah nice
08:49<WoodWork>What did you run? ab -??
08:49<pharaun>mine is through my work vpn atm, outta to try it on the other machine and see
08:50<graq-irssi>Looks like I'll be hovering in the 700-750 ms zone
08:50<mwalling>mwalling@youtoo:~$ ab -c 50 -n 5000 | gist
08:50*Perihelion harpoons marius
08:50<graq-irssi>What is 'gist' ?
08:51<kainz>github's pastebin
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08:52<JshWright>it's a little more than a pastebin... gists are under version control
08:52*pharaun can't believe its *only* 9am
08:52<JshWright>so you acn fork them, update them, etc
08:52<WoodWork>I get invaild url. ;\
08:53<graq-irssi>loadimpact [10-50 clients]: 733 718 717 721 714
08:53<graq-irssi>So the more concurrency the better :P
08:54<Peng>JshWright: It's an awesome pastebin.
08:54<WoodWork>nevermind,forgot the /
08:55<Talman>Wait, Linode was on AotS?
08:55<@Perihelion>For Minecraft
08:56<Talman>LOL. Was this due to Jed's near constant presence in Minecraft?
08:56<Talman>>.> Jed is the other, ins't he.
08:57<@Perihelion>Someone posted something on the minecraft forums a while back
08:57<@Perihelion>Since then we've had a steady stream of minecraft people
08:57<@Perihelion>Jed made the stackscript which brought more
08:57<@Perihelion>So I think it's a combination of both
08:57<@Perihelion>Which is awesome
08:57<WoodWork>Sure thing!
08:59<Talman>Yeah, it is.
08:59<Talman>Have you heard the story of the Other?
09:00<pharaun>wow only a hour into my workday and i'm already depressed for the day
09:00<Talman>what happen?
09:01<pharaun>Talman: the fact that i'm working? :)
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09:02<pharaun>Just had a nice week off from work, really refreshing actually :) but still seesh
09:03<pharaun>time to dive back into the fun that is corp java dev
09:04<Talman>This is the 5th time the fire alarm has went off.
09:04<pharaun>Talman: replace "fire alarm" with "power loss" and you'll have an accurate picture of my workplace :-p
09:04<Talman>There's a college student next to me wondering if we should evacuate. They keep announcing that they're "working on the problem." This is so LOL.
09:05<pharaun>everytime there is a power loss the VM server all goes down *rolls eyes*
09:05<Talman>Oh, there was a transient power spike before alarm pre-activation. I saw it in the lights.
09:05<pharaun>Talman: ah hah, those are fun
09:05<Talman>Whoever put in the life safety system didn't isolate the power. Classic stupidity. I have alarm installer friends who love shit like this.
09:06<pharaun>Talman: isolate as in use ups ?
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09:08<Talman>Nope. Isolate as in own shielded circuits, so that when there's a power spike it doesn't jump from wire to wire and trigger supervisory fault.
09:09<pharaun>Talman: ah
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09:10<Peng>Check me on this: Delegating a subdomain is just as simple as creating a bunch of NS records in the parent zone and then creating the child zone itself, right?
09:11<Peng>Everybody does it all the time, but I've never controlled the parent zone before, so I just wanted to be sure.
09:11<Talman>They just cleared the alarm, and reported over the PA it was the Fogo De Chao.
09:11*mwalling is second guessing himself because you're secondguessing yourself
09:11<Talman>Watch, they probably set their alarm off.
09:12<Peng>mwalling: I was very much second-guessing myself. Don't second-guess yourself on my account. I was just asking a dumb question to be sure I wasn't doing something even dumber. :)
09:12<Peng>Not that excessive delegation is particularly efficient, but who cares about *that*? :D
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09:12<pharaun>Peng: but if you second-guess yourself, then we are going to have to second-guess ourselves ;)
09:14<linbot>New news from forums: TTL Parameter Name Incorrect in API Documentation in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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09:17<@heckman>I'm hungry....
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09:18<Talman>I have a sammich.
09:18<Talman>Mine, not yours.
09:18<@heckman>Well why even mention it.
09:18<Talman>To motivate you to find food.
09:18<@heckman>I think there may be pumpkin cheesecake in the fridge....
09:18<dominikh>sudo mv /talman/sammich /heckman/
09:19<Talman>Are you telcom or are you at the Linodian offices?
09:19<Talman>You are not in the sudoers file. This will be reported.
09:19<@heckman>In Linodia right now
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09:19<Talman>There's pumpkin cheesecake in the fridge in Linodia?
09:19<@heckman>Fridge is like four feet away, so I could check for the food....but meh...effort
09:20<Talman>Do ett.
09:20<pharaun>sudo mv /linodia/fridge/pumpkin_cheesecake /home/pharaun/
09:20<Talman>Do ett before Peri gets up, walks over there, and eats it.
09:20<amitz>debian's bitlbee is naught, at least the backport version. Open port to by default.
09:22<Talman>So, this was pretty much: I don't know what backups are, lol linode sucks?
09:22<pharaun>Talman: i wonder if its again from the fremont fun fun?
09:22<pharaun>TL;DR; people are idiots ;)
09:24<Talman>It is.
09:24<Talman> I don't know. I keep backups of my client sites.
09:24<Talman>A stackscript deploys my base LAMP in 5 minutes.
09:25<Fieldy><3 backups
09:25<linbot>New news from forums: [deleteme] in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
09:25<Talman>modify php.ini and I'm ready to go.
09:25<pharaun>for me, i only have my site + some irc stuff on my linode and I keep my site in GIT so its a quick "rake deploy:linode" to push the whole site onto the linode after the infrastructure is setup, and i'm sure there exists a stackscript for it :)
09:25<Talman>I sometimes check linode in reddit and am happy that 90% of all posts are positive.
09:26<Talman>I use joomla for everyone, so I use Akeeba backup.
09:26<Talman>Every day, I pull an akeeba backup file.
09:26<pharaun>my site is pretty simple, no DB usage atm, hence i can just use a rake task for deploying it from scratch
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09:27<@Perihelion>Talman: I had a bagel
09:27<@Perihelion>Not interested in food atm
09:27<Talman>Perihelion: You could of ate the cheesecake out of spite.
09:27<@Perihelion>I actually ate 3 meals yesterday...I was somewhat surprised
09:28<@Perihelion>I generally only have 2
09:28<Talman>Two months ago: Can anyone tell me a positive linode story?
09:28<@Perihelion>Sup dawg
09:28<Talman>THIS should be fun reading.
09:28<marius>Not much kittycat
09:28<marius>Perihelion: is it done?
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09:29<Talman>Oh God, what sick fetishes are you making her do now.
09:29<@Perihelion>marius: ?
09:30<marius>Perihelion: the deed which must not be speaken out loud tha tinvolves the thing with the action t othe other thing
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09:32*marius shakes head in disbelief
09:32<@heckman>dude pumpkin cheesecake and mountain dew...breakfast of champions
09:33<pharaun>mine was uh.... choc milk :3
09:33<pharaun>thats it
09:33<pharaun>outta to drive over to a friend apt and pick up the 2x pita pit that i forgot there *sigh*
09:34<Talman>Stawberry kiki drink.
09:35<pharaun>my usual diet == coffee+yogurt, coffee+sammy, coffee+samy then bed
09:36<hobot>is sammy like sammy's subs
09:36<pharaun>lunch time, its like random sandwitch like turkey/etc/whatever on a plain slice of bread
09:36<hobot>because if so, hobot-pharaun are on the same place
09:36<pharaun>dinner, the same
09:36<hobot>you should get sammy to make you those subs
09:36<hobot>he knows his sandwich
09:37<mwalling>wow, artifactory runs circles around nexus
09:37<Talman>... I've been sitting here nursing a water at starbucks when there's money on my starbucks card.
09:37<pharaun>the longer i stay at this place the less i eat -_-
09:37<hobot>well starbucks cards are not infinite
09:37<Talman>Their system went down when the fire alarm hit.
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09:38<pharaun>i bet by end of this year i'll hit 1 coffee a day and 1 sammy a day and thats it -_-
09:38<Talman>I buy tea. Tea is my friend.
09:38<pharaun>tea is good :)
09:38<Talman>I like, btw, how they have a tea for 1.50~ and a TEA LATTE for 2.50
09:38<Talman>You're paying for milk.
09:38<Talman>Milk that is free.
09:38<pharaun>sadly mine is all teas from teavanna, got it for christmas, i liked their earl grey creame, its so good
09:39<Talman>Fthat sounds nice.
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09:42<pharaun>*sigh* wish i had access to 2x4 that I could name "The Clue Bat" and go whack at some people
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09:47<randallman>pharaun: a lart you mean? :P
09:48<pharaun>randallman: yup
09:49<Talman>Need to hit the starbucks girl with a clue bat.
09:49<Talman>She rang up my 2.20 dollar tea as a 8 dollar coffee.
09:49<Talman>"What? You had X." No, I had the tea the nice lady behind you just gave me.
09:50<Talman>Hopefully her system issues a refund on my card.
09:50<JshWright>pharaun: I would refer to that as a "Clue x 4"
09:52<pharaun>JshWright: heh, this 2x4 is for gently giving them the hint, i'm going to reserve my 2x4 made of lead for the real bad ones
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10:05<WoodWork>oh no!
10:05<@tjfontai1e>Yaakov: :<
10:05-!-mode/#linode [-o tjfontai1e] by tjfontai1e
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10:05<@jed>tjfontai1e: you got told
10:05*Perihelion slaps Yaakov around a bit with a large cactus
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10:06<Yaakov>"tjfontai1e", how lame--this place even has lame nicks!
10:06<WoodWork>Nice touch.
10:06<Yaakov>LAME LAME LAME
10:06<amitz>maybe we should pretend oftc is closed hence everybody now moves to freenode.
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10:06*amitz hides really well :))
10:06<tjfontaine>amitz: die
10:06<Yaakov>Oh, sorry. Typo. I love OFTC.
10:06<@jed>tjfontaine: you're the one with the firearms
10:06<straterra>I have firearms
10:07<Yaakov>I have arms made of fire.
10:07<@jed>bust out the Colt forty-/kill
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10:07<Daevien> hmm, thats a mighty large resolution you say is native on a 15" laptop....
10:07<Yaakov>I want to hug you.
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10:07<Talman>I want shoulder to not hurt.
10:07<@Perihelion>Me want nap
10:08<WoodWork>Daevien: Scaled it down?
10:08<straterra>Fire bad
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10:09<Daevien>WoodWork: the image? thats the optimal for that laptop. but new drive thinks it should be 40963 x 33792 instead
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10:09<WoodWork>Daevien: Woahh.
10:09<WoodWork>HP for you haha!
10:10<pharaun>Daevien: you must have one kickass LCD screen ;)
10:11<Talman>After this comment, I will forever think of Hannah Montana as a dancing bear.
10:11<Talman>Twayne, did you decode the last message?
10:11<Twayne>lol no
10:13<Talman>You can't have enough till you decode the first.
10:13<Daevien>pharaun: nope, lower end hp laptop :p
10:13<Talman>I'm on the lowest end HP ever.
10:13<Talman>HP Mini 1110!
10:13<Talman>110, not 1100.
10:13<Daevien>i'm essentially using much of the same hardware here at work.. acer revo. netbook guts in a small desktop form with 4 gigs of ram being it's only redeeming quality
10:13<Twayne>i mean. really. what did it say?
10:13<pharaun>Talman: HML!
10:13<pharaun>Daevien: ah? hah
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10:14<Twayne>Talman: i'm not sure how to decode it right
10:14<@Perihelion>Qrpbqr jung?
10:15<Twayne>that's the answer ^
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10:15<WoodWork>Clever linbot.
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10:23<WoodWork>I know this might sound a bit daft.. but is there a way to install Java without all the lib, and libx things? Or are they required?
10:25<mwalling>the what now?
10:26<WoodWork>two secs.. I'll pastebin it.
10:27<Yaakov>WoodWork: No.
10:27<mwalling>oh, X. yeah, no. AWT is part of the JRE and it needs X
10:28<WoodWork>Cheers guys! ;)
10:28<mwalling>i thought you meant /usr/lib and /usr/libexc/ stuff
10:29<randallman>Very Fscking Nice, RHN-satellite - if you clone an errata and then subsequently delete it, it deletes the RPMs
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10:31<@pparadis>randallman: oh nice
10:31<randallman>so the original RH*A errata is missing rpms :)
10:31<randallman>f-an-a :)
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10:31<randallman>Any bets on whether an RHN sync fixes this :)
10:32<Daevien>randallman: with your luck? nope :p
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10:33<randallman>Thanks, daevien ;0
10:33<randallman>I love you too, man!
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10:36*randallman goes to tape
10:38<randallman>Tape :)
10:38<randallman>LTO-3, ya know?
10:38<randallman>Yes :0
10:38<megatron27>old school
10:38<randallman>we use disk to stage
10:38<randallman>but only for some apps
10:38<randallman>mostly LTO-3 :)
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10:42<Talman>I'm watching Bullshit on PETA.
10:42<Talman>And I'm wondering something. How can animals be both free, and safe?
10:43<mwalling>lets regulate more!
10:43<megatron27>safe from humans
10:44<pharaun>safe from eachothers
10:45<Talman>It sounds like the only way they can be completely safe is by not existing.
10:45<Daevien>randallman: rescue me from retail hell and i'll giv eyou amitz to do whatever you want with :p
10:45<Talman>Also, Total Animal Liberation. Somebody's a domestic terrorist.
10:45<megatron27>free to make mistakes
10:46<megatron27>like the mistake of not running faster than their predator
10:46<megatron27>or the mistake of taking sip of water while a crocodile was watching
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10:47<@pparadis>Talman: when i was 13 (and therefore not thinking right about many things), i briefly became involved with PETA. after personally witnessing a few demonstrators get violent at Yerkes ( ), i decided not to do that anymore. throwing flaming things is not cool.
10:48<straterra>It's not?
10:48<straterra>It was during my childhood
10:48<@pparadis>well, depending on the context.
10:48<megatron27>rofl @ not thinking right about many things
10:48<JshWright>I like fire...
10:49<tjfontaine>molotov cocktails!
10:49<Daevien>haha got exploited... by a bug in proftpd. ftp for the loss
10:50<hawk>Daevien: ouch
10:50<megatron27>what's the status of that Savannah getting compromise issue
10:50<@pparadis>Daevien: oh nice. sup dawg, i herd you like code so i compromised urcode so i can compromise while i compromise.
10:50<megatron27>that's quite scary
10:50<megatron27>hopefully everything was digitally signed
10:51<straterra>Daevien: They should have used the very secure ftpd
10:51<megatron27>doesn't seem like much -
10:51<Daevien>megatron27: apaprently you missed that got comprimised like 3 times in the last year?
10:51<Daevien>megatron27: that woudl be more worry for me than ftp
10:52<megatron27>so our we going to see a mass migration to github
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10:52<tjfontaine>up next github to be compromised
10:52<straterra>As long as gitorious is ok
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10:52<@pparadis>tjfontaine: now that would be pretty epic.
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10:53<tjfontaine>it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility here
10:53<tjfontaine>humans write software, humans make mistakes
10:53<tjfontaine>these are concerns you should have on *every* site, on *every* machine you use
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10:54<megatron27>yeah, all you know might be the result of a vulnerability that affects all RoR apps
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10:54<@pparadis>just saying the potential consequences of github getting compromised, depending on the scope of the compromise, could be very bad indeed.
10:54<tjfontaine>unless you're the pope, you're not infallible
10:54<@pparadis>does that include space popes?
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10:55<straterra>What about anal popes?
10:55<Talman>What the hell is an anal pope.
10:55<tjfontaine>that's recreational, and you promised not to talk about it again straterra
10:55<straterra>Sorry forgot
10:55<@pparadis>straterra: i read "popes" there as "pustules" for a second. thanks, bro.
10:56<megatron27>yeah, these sites should really be using mod_security, surely it's worth the extra CPU cycles
10:56<straterra>pparadis: np bro
10:58<megatron27>in fact, that's reason enough to stick with Apache
11:00<Talman>... no.
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11:00<straterra>I <3 Apache httpd
11:01<straterra>Then again, I also <3 bind
11:03<mwalling>wait... mod_Security is god?
11:03<mwalling>but is it russian proff?
11:03<megatron27>russian proof?
11:03<megatron27>is that an international standard?
11:03<mwalling>chinese proof?
11:04<pharaun>but but i thought urmom proof was superior
11:04<megatron27>everything urmom is superier
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11:04<straterra>Except for the herpes
11:05<Battousai>they're buy one get one free!
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11:17<mwalling>can the CGI::IRC either be fixed or killed off?
11:18<Nivex>We can use Mibbit!
11:18*Nivex dons asbestos armor
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11:20<pharaun>Nivex: that asbestos armor is going to kill you anyway in the long run, no need for us to flame ya ;)
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11:23<amitz>I'm under the impression that heated asbestos is the most dangerous of all.
11:23<amitz>health wise.
11:23<Battousai>not necessarily
11:23<Battousai>asbestos covered in a sheet of ice would be very slippery and you could break some bones
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11:24*megatron27 spent the last few minutes researching herpes
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11:25<mikegrb>mmm cake
11:25<amitz>so does cake then, covered in a sheet of ice. You can die if hit by it.
11:25<straterra>I want an ice bullet
11:25<amitz>megatron27: what kind of thing do you want to know about herpes? ask me! ...oh wait....
11:26<straterra>SO I CAN SHOOT SOMEONE AND THE EVIDENCE MELTS..before it leaves the firearm
11:27<Nivex>straterra: use a pneumatic weapon instead of a firearm
11:27<megatron27>I feel like vomiting
11:27<straterra>That's not fun
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11:27<amitz>straterra: I choose ice gun instead. There is not even any evidence point the gun at them.
11:27<straterra>Then I have to carry around an air tank
11:27<amitz>I point*
11:27<stinebd>ice rail gun!
11:27<straterra>Or just drown them
11:28<straterra>OR A BIG ICE-PICK
11:28<straterra>Get it?
11:28<megatron27>If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire, the A-Team
11:28<straterra>Lots of its in that statement
11:28<straterra>Makes me wonder how they ever got hired
11:28<JshWright>damnit megatron27 now that's gonna be stuck in my head all day...
11:29<JshWright>straterra: they were suprisingly easy to find
11:29<straterra>I know
11:29<straterra>Which is..weird
11:29<JshWright>especially if you were a) a hot chick, b) the father/grandfather/uncle/business partner/friend of a hot chick
11:30<straterra>Vaginas make the world go round
11:30<straterra>That and gravity
11:30<megatron27>gravity gets too much credit
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11:31<straterra>With urmom, it doesn't get enough credit
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11:31<amitz>straterra: haha, on what makes the world go round
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11:32<amitz>to be fair, that was built on JshWright's ... anyway, /me leaves.
11:33<megatron27>so it's Russia is 2018 and Qatar in 2022
11:34<Rob>woot :)
11:35<megatron27>I thought Australia would get it
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11:39<JshWright>megatron27: they're avoid the entirety of the southern hemisphere for fear of more vuvuzela
11:43<megatron27>country music
11:45<amitz>jack in the box
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11:55<straterra>OMFG..Wendy's new fries are awesome
11:56<tjfontaine>they have new fries?!
11:56<tjfontaine>I always hated their fries
11:56<straterra>They taste like penn station's
11:56<straterra>ME too
11:56<tjfontaine>I know what lunch tomorrow is
11:57<straterra>These fries make me want to not eat my baconator..and just eat the fries
11:58<tjfontaine>straterra: single double or triple?
11:58<mikegrb>mmm bacon
11:58<straterra>large fry, 10 nuggets and a junior bacon
11:58<tjfontaine>the triple is just one too much for me, the double is my standard
11:59<tjfontaine>that's a big lunch strat
11:59<mikegrb>mmm bacon
11:59<Solver>bacon fried in bacon fat with a size of bacon fries
11:59<Talman>Triple baconator.
11:59<Talman>That sounds frightening.
11:59<straterra>tjfontaine: I only eat one meal a day
11:59<straterra>No breakfast or dinner
11:59*Solver just made that up :)
11:59<Peng>straterra: What, those "natural" fries?
11:59<straterra>they still have the potato skin on them
11:59*Solver likes food
11:59<tjfontaine>Talman: first time I had one I was afraid I might have a heart attack
11:59<Talman>In my day, we had one baconator.
12:00<straterra>I love good too..
12:00<Solver>potato skin is yummy
12:00<straterra>err, food
12:00<straterra>I ate an entire dish of greenbean cassarole by myself over the holidays
12:00*Solver made the same typo but corrected it
12:00<Talman>Funny you should mention othat.
12:00<Solver>I suppose it's an easy typo on a qwerty kb :)
12:01<straterra>Theres another kind of keyboard?
12:01<Solver>DVORAK would be a funny combination for the top left hand of the keyboard
12:01*nDuff looks in surprise at his keyboard -- it doesn't exist?
12:01<nDuff>(dvorak, also)
12:02*Solver is on qwerty but wants to twiddle one day
12:02<Solver>I should get off my bumb and learn to twiddle
12:02<straterra>How do you weirdo dvorak people use qwerty phones?
12:02<amitz>will learning dvorak taints my qwerty?
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12:03<nDuff>amitz, I'm still pretty fast on QWERTY... just less comfy to type.
12:03<straterra>It'll taint your muscle memory
12:03<straterra>TAINT IT
12:03<megatron27>will using Dvorak make using vi harder
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12:03<straterra>dvorak users use emacs :P
12:03*nDuff is a dvorak user who uses vim
12:03<nDuff>...and it works just fine for me
12:03<straterra>And terrorists use
12:03<straterra>All emacs users are terrorists
12:04*nDuff hates to hear what straterra thinks of lisp developers
12:04<megatron27>so you still use h, j, k and l to move around?
12:04<Raynes>amitz: In the same way that using a new keyboard or mouse can be difficult until you redevelop muscle memory, switching between dvorak and qwerty can be difficult.
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12:04<nDuff>megatron27, no, but I never did in the first place
12:04<straterra>oh my god..its a triple baconator...triple baconator all the way
12:04<Talman>This is why I like email.
12:04<megatron27>you used the arrow keys?
12:05*nDuff shrugs.
12:05<nDuff>...well, mostly I don't do per-character movements
12:05<Solver>straterra: but are all terrorists emacs users?
12:05*Solver rsyncs the day away
12:06<megatron27>take my breathe away
12:06*nDuff finds that the bulk of what he needs to do in terms of movement actions involves jumping around by block, or word, or begin-of-line/end-of-line.
12:06<Solver>you know an app that analysed keyboard and mouse action would make a lot of sense
12:06<Solver>to tell you where you spend your time
12:06<Solver>should be easy in X
12:07<Solver>since you could log the X events
12:07<straterra>Solver: Of course
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12:07<Solver>I bet it varies a lot by user
12:08<straterra>nDuff: Lisp developers invented abortion and most forms of genocide
12:08<straterra>Or so the voices say
12:08<tjfontaine>straterra: you know javascript is just lisp :)
12:08*nDuff glares at tjfontaine with murder in his eyes
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12:08<megatron27>speaking of Dvorak, I miss Cranky Geeks
12:08<straterra>Disclaimer : all of the above is to be taken in jest
12:09<tjfontaine>no no, really it's true
12:09<tjfontaine> good read
12:09*nDuff has seen more than his share of $FOO-is-just-lisp arguments; in terms of other languages being weakened versions of LISP with restrictions and syntactic sugar, he agrees.
12:10<Solver>it's a little known fact that Lisp is actually 3 thousand years o;d and responsible for the fall of ancient Sumeria
12:10<megatron27>yeah, I think Javascript's creator was influenced by Scheme
12:10<megatron27>which is a LISP
12:10<nDuff>...but in the case where those are used in such a way as to infer to people that they shouldn't learn LISP, I find them objectionable.
12:10<straterra>Holy ipv6 lag
12:10<nDuff>s/agrees/tends to find them to contain some truth/
12:11<tjfontaine>lisp is not nearly as approachable as javascript
12:11<Solver>straterra: gives new meaning to real-time huh ;)
12:11<Talman>Wait, are you guys talking about John Dvorak?
12:11<Talman>The angriest man in tech?
12:12<megatron27>Cranky, not angry
12:12<megatron27>here it is - - originally he was supposed to bring Scheme to the browser
12:12<linbot>tjfontaine: Yo momma's so ignorant, She thinks the internet is internet explorer. (757:4/2) [murom]
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12:13<linbot>straterra: Yo momma's so ugly she scared off the crabs in your dad's pants (824:0/7) [urmmo]
12:13<straterra>how do I vote that up?
12:13<straterra>!urmom 824 up
12:13<linbot>straterra: Yo momma's so ugly the goonies wouldn't marry her (825:4/11) [umrmo]
12:13<tjfontaine>!umom vote 824 up
12:13<straterra>THATS NOT WHAT I WANTED
12:14<tjfontaine>!urmom vote 824 up
12:14<linbot>tjfontaine: Yo momma's so clumsy, she tore her POSIX ACL! (750:14/2) [mmour]
12:14<tjfontaine>!urmom vote up 824
12:14<linbot>tjfontaine: Voted up 824 [moumr]
12:14<straterra>!urmom vote up 824
12:14<linbot>straterra: Voted up 824 [murom]
12:14<Solver>!urmom vote 824 up
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12:14<linbot>Solver: Yo momma's so fat they mistook her for the ninth planet! (723:2/1) [umomr]
12:14<straterra>!urmom vote down 750
12:14<linbot>straterra: Yo momma doesn't like people named straterra [mmour]
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12:14<Solver>but it would be an unusual name to have on your birth certificate
12:15<Solver>otoh so would Solver :)
12:15*Solver considered having it on a license plate once
12:16<Solver>might still do it
12:16<straterra>I think my heart is crying
12:17<@heckman>That's caused by mikegrb mustard gas
12:17<straterra>Are you sure its not the baconator?
12:17<@Perihelion>heckman: round these parts we call it ass gas
12:17<straterra>And these crack-cocaine fries?
12:17<Solver>mikegrb has WMD?!!?!?! :)
12:17<@Perihelion>Yes :<
12:17<@heckman>The paint is peeling off the walls of his office from it.
12:18<straterra>He has an office?
12:18<straterra>I thought he got upgraded to a cage?
12:18<@heckman>Well, it's more like a walk-in closet with an imac.
12:18<JshWright>straterra: hard to maintain negative pressure in a cage
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12:19<straterra>JshWright: Then play some Jimmy Buffett
12:19<@Perihelion>cheeseburger in paradise
12:19<straterra>aids-burger in paradise
12:20<straterra>Sorry, South Park reference
12:20<Solver>when I was a teenager I worked in a raioshack store and the manager would play a cdrom over and over - and it had that on it
12:20<kreff>where's caker at?
12:20<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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12:21<kreff>oh, there he is
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12:22*Solver considers a hotdog for lunch
12:22<Solver>yes yes I will have a hotdog
12:22<straterra>That's what Perihelion said
12:22<Solver>not in north america for much longer so I should partake
12:23*Solver will miss sidewalk hotdog stands
12:23<Solver>straterra: hahaha
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12:23<straterra>Perihelion: You awake?
12:23<straterra>I'll sell you some chloroform
12:24<@heckman>"Hey, what's this rag smell like?" -- best pick-up-line evar
12:24<straterra>"Free chloroform allergy tests!"
12:24<ejp>the problem is you have to actually pick them up and haul them off
12:25<@heckman>Why would they need to be moved...?
12:25<straterra>It's not like you're keeping them
12:25<straterra>Just leave em there
12:25<straterra>Someone might come along and partake in a 2 for 1 deal
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12:28<@Perihelion>straterra: Perhaps.
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12:29<Peng>Lovely, I opened a ticket and the title got truncated into meaninglessness. Sorry.
12:29<graq-irssi>!f polo
12:29<linbot>graq-irssi: Polo is a team sport played on horseback in which the objective is to score goals against an opposing team. Players score by driving a small white plastic or wooden ball into the opposing team's goal using a long-handled mallet. The traditional sport of polo is played at speed on a large grass field up to 300 yards in length, and each polo team consists of four riders and their mounts.
12:30<linbot>New news from forums: [SOLVED] Nginx FastCGI caching in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
12:31<Peng>Talman: See you later, dear.
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12:33<JshWright>Peng: what was the title? "Hi, this is a ticket that I have opened becuase I'm having an issue with <snip>"?
12:35<@heckman> -- lol
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12:39<Peng>heckman: Hush you. :)
12:40<Peng>JshWright: Actually, it still gave a decent impression of the problem.
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12:41<tjfontaine>boom shakalaka
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12:48<graq-irssi>Smack my bitch up!
12:50<Peng>Talman: wb
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12:54<Talman>Yay, more Eureka.
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13:01<Talman>ALso, minecraft on a netbook
13:03<JshWright>Minecraft needs GPU horsepower?
13:03<Talman>I'll need to find ways to make it go faster, I just closed it, way too slow.
13:03<Talman>Probably needs RAM.
13:03<Talman>This netbook has a 945 chipset in it, so its not that horrid.
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13:03<straterra>JshWright: yes
13:03<Talman>But its win7 with 1 GB of RAM
13:04<straterra>My GF's mom has a Core 2 Duo with 4 gigs of ram and an intel integrated card..and its unplayable
13:04<JshWright>yeah, I thought Minecraft was just a RAM hungry beast
13:04<straterra>It needs an accelerated GPU of somewhat recent too
13:04<straterra>Like..6200 would run it fine
13:05<straterra>Depending on the resolution, of course
13:05<JshWright>It's pretty rough on my P4 3.0GHz/1GB RAM (with an 8400GS)
13:05<JshWright>On my 1st gen MacBook? I'd be afraid it would catch on fire
13:05<straterra>It plays fine on my dual core Opteron at 3.2GHz with 2GB ram and a 9800GTX
13:05<dominikh>runs "fine" on my Intel GMA 4500M
13:05<JshWright>so, I don't play Minecraft much
13:06<dominikh>(on tiny view distance)
13:06<JshWright>I need a new computer...
13:07<straterra>Yeah..Pentium 4's are teh lame :/
13:07<Talman>This is an Atom.
13:07<pharaun>I need moar multi-threadness
13:07<pharaun>dwarf fortress is only 1 thread atm, annoys me daily
13:07<JshWright>Atom and P4 aren't all that different
13:08<straterra>Except the P4 sucks a lot of power..and runs hot..and has a crappy implementation of hyperthreading
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13:09<straterra>And has slow chipsets with slow memory :/
13:09<pharaun>i found it funny on the first release
13:09<straterra>And is likely an AGP graphics interface instead of PCI Express :P
13:09<pharaun>i got saddled with a southbridge == 45watt + 5watt atom
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13:10<tjfontaine>AGP is fast yo
13:10<pharaun>urmom is faster
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13:11<Talman>I have no idea what the architecture of this thing is.
13:11<amitz>straterra: IIRC, Atom doesn't have the pre-calculation of possible split on processing, unlike P4.
13:11<pharaun>atom? its an in-order, and etc
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13:12<pharaun>most other cpu are out of order
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13:12<netsan>hey all,
13:12<straterra>amitz: take your facts elsewhere, k?
13:12<straterra>this is a fearmonger on the Pentium 4
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13:14<amitz>Pentium 4 kills my entire village. ;_;
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13:14<amitz>and infected surrounding villages with AIDS.
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13:15<straterra>There ya go
13:15<pharaun>and everytime you use the HT impl of p4, god kills a kitten
13:15<Talman>Well, they have dual core Atoms.
13:15<dominikh>I never liked kittens
13:15<straterra>Now they do
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13:19<pharaun>gaah, where is the damn phone
13:19<pharaun>*sigh* need to find me a video phone, can't contact both roommate and got a meeting at 2-3
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13:21<amitz>The in-order front end is the part of the machine that fetches the instructions to be executed next in the
13:21<amitz>program and prepares them to be used later in the machine pipeline. The front end has highly accurate
13:21<amitz>branch prediction logic that uses the past history of program execution to speculate where the program is
13:21<straterra>so..I'm taking donations for a black alvarez
13:21<amitz>going to execute next. The predicted instruction address, from this front-end branch prediction logic, is used to fetch instruction bytes from the Level 2 (L2) cache <- I remember it was a big deal back then. So it's common now?
13:21<pharaun>amitz: yeah, in-order == instruction as you get them is executed, regardless of dependencies
13:22<kainz>straterra: needs more hot lead
13:22<Talman>OK, make it so I comprehend that.
13:22<pharaun>amitz: out-of-order == instruction are compared and if there is no dependency + free register/whatever, both are executed at once and/or in different order
13:22<Talman>FIFO instruction pipe?
13:22<pharaun>Talman: in-order, yes
13:22<straterra>kainz: why so?
13:22<amitz>no, I was talking about the anticipating of next instruction and executing it in advance.
13:23<Talman>When did we get predictive pipelining?
13:23<pharaun>amitz: er? branch predication?
13:23<amitz>it was a big deal, iirc, in pentium 4. yes
13:23<Talman>Yeah, that's what its called, isn't it? Branch predication?
13:23<kainz>straterra: googled one, looked like it should be in a robert rodriguez flic
13:23<Talman>Most of the processor stuff is a blur to me.
13:23<pharaun>yes but its not predication of next instruction, its just predication of
13:23<pharaun>which branch it will take
13:23<Talman>And half the crap I rmeember is ancient.
13:23<Talman>I thought that was the P2 predictive piplining?
13:23<amitz> <- in the heading of "In-Order Front End", first paragraph.
13:24<straterra>kainz: They look like normal accoustics
13:24<linbot>New news from forums: ProFTPd security issue in General Discussion <>
13:24<amitz>The in-order front end is the part of the machine that fetches the instructions to be executed next in the
13:24<amitz>program and prepares them to be used later in the machine pipeline. The front end has highly accurate
13:24<amitz>branch prediction logic that uses the past history of program execution to speculate where the program is
13:24<pharaun>amitz: that's branch predication
13:25<amitz>damn, copy-pasting problem. ah... branch predication.
13:25<pharaun>amitz: and look at the next section - out-of-order for p4 and most processor vs atom's in-order
13:26<pharaun>amitz: one of the biggest problem with p4 perf is its deep pipe-line
13:26<pharaun>amitz: so a mis-prediction of branching/etc is expensive
13:27<Talman>I warned this guy in his previous thread that 2 months is an estimate.
13:27<Talman>It could be more, or less. I was suggesting more, but still.
13:28<pharaun>amitz: on that p4 doc, the infront-inorder whatever is just the branch predication/instruction fetching part i believe, the 2nd part is the executing core, most stuff is out-of-order meaning it will re-arrange the instruction as needed to keep the cpu busy
13:29<mwalling>pirate pixie? wow
13:29<pharaun>amitz: atom does not have that, its strictly in-order, meaning its executing each instruction as it comes up, the reason why this matter is each instruction i believe have different amount of processing time/cost to execute, plus if you have a instruction that dependends on the result of another instruction you would get an stall, so you want to space them out so that you can keep the cpu busy/etc
13:29<amitz>pharaun: atom also doesn't have branch predicating? correct?
13:30<pharaun>amitz: not sure, let me take a look
13:30<pharaun>amitz: yeah it looks like it does haveone,
13:30<pharaun>amitz: see the front-end -> branch prediction unit
13:31<Talman>So, what is this Atom N270 equivelant to?
13:31<Talman>A P3?
13:31<pharaun>Talman: its not a clear cut picture, but something like that i guess
13:31<straterra>I loved my Tualatin P3s
13:31<Talman>It runs everything I throw at it.
13:31<pharaun>i think the p3's still had out of order exec, lemme look it up
13:31<straterra>Dual 1.4GHz Talatins made my day
13:32<Talman>CS5, etc.
13:32<amitz>pharaun: thank you, you fix my long-held misunderstanding, nobody contested it before :-p
13:32<pharaun>amitz: ah, heh its np, i just know a ton about cpu arch due to my dept saying NO to me getting more CS courses so i end up grabbing a bunch of CE courses heh
13:33<pharaun>Talman: its not exactly the same, the p3 has super-pipelining + out of order execution
13:33<pharaun>Talman: the atom does not have the out of order execution
13:34<pharaun>Talman: The performance of a single core Atom is about half that of a Pentium M of the same clock rate. For example, the Atom N270 found in many netbooks such as the Eee PC can deliver around 3300 MIPS and 2.1 GFLOPS in standard benchmarks,[13] compared to 7400 MIPS and 3.9 GFLOPS for the similarly clocked (1.73 GHz) Pentium M 740.[
13:36<JshWright>I think I'm gonna hold off 'til Sandy Bridge is widely available before I upgrade
13:36<straterra> well do i3s perform against Atoms in both performance and battery life?
13:36<pharaun>JshWright: friend told me to but my q6600+mobo was dead so i jumped to the x5650, would've preferred to wait for sandy bridge
13:37<pharaun>straterra: on i3, not sure i do know a friend has a i7 in a x201 thinkpad, he gets ~8-10 hours on battery i believe
13:37<straterra>That's more than my Atom
13:37<Daevien>straterra: depends on the rest of the machien really. i have an i5-430 with a 6 cell battery that is claimed to get 8hrs. i can get around 6 with wifi on
13:37<pharaun>straterra: 9 cell not 6
13:37<JshWright>I like the fact that Intel seems to have really made some serious optimizations, rather than just "MOAR TRANSITORZ!"
13:37<straterra>I have a 9 cell too
13:37<pharaun>problem is the other chips
13:38<straterra>My Core 2 Duo gaming laptop gets like..45 minutes on a full charge
13:38<pharaun>straterra: i have an atom but its paired with a 945 which == something silly like 30-40 watt for desktop
13:38<Daevien>my laptop with 9 cell is supposed to be 12 hrs
13:38<pharaun>the problem isn't the atom cpu, problem is the north/south bridge + wifi, etc...
13:38<Talman>I have a 2 or 3 cell battery on my netbook and it lasts 2.5 hours
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13:38<pharaun>that is what is destroying the battery life, along with LCD
13:38<Daevien>thats with my intel card enabled, with my ati card battery drops a lot more. wifi sucks up a lot as well
13:39<Talman>It is the smallest battery HP makes.
13:41<pharaun>Talman: you probably got a good south/north bridge
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13:41<pharaun>lots of mfg goes cheap on those with the atom, and the cheap ones sucks up the power
13:41<Talman>Its s 945.
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13:41<kainz>wondering about our new arsenic-based overlords
13:42<pharaun>Talman: oh wonders if its the low powered one or not, there's like 2 version or so of it
13:42<Daevien>pharaun: asus netbooks are pretty decent form what i've seen
13:42<pharaun>Daevien: yeah i figured, i just remember my first atom, it was paired with a 45 watt 945 chipset
13:42<Daevien>some of the compaq/hp ones are meh. the dell mini 10 i've had a few in with all sorts of whacky problems including data cable falling out of the hard drive
13:42<pharaun>kind of pretty much destroyed the point of having an atom hah
13:43<yano>I for one welcome our new arsenic-based oerlords
13:43<pharaun>i liked the HP form-factor, some of them have big keyboard which i liked, the asus ones were too small
13:43<Daevien>toshiba makes one that looks interesting for keybaord & stuff but i haven't used oen for mor ethan like 20 minutes
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13:44<Daevien>i'd like to have one of the asus t91 i think it is, the tablet netbook
13:44<pharaun>yeah, never liked toshiba
13:44<pharaun>i had to fix a couple for friends, and hated the fucking thing with a passion
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13:45<pharaun>oh whew
13:45<pharaun>no dept meeting wee
13:45<Daevien>t91 + linux would be nifty i think. have yet to get my hands on one in person though
13:46<straterra>Yeah..I dislike Toshiba computers and Sony computers
13:46<pharaun>anyone remember that giant sony laptop
13:46<pharaun>with like 2 hdd and bunch of crap in it?
13:46<straterra>pharaun: My HP netbook has a 97% sized keyboard. Types just like a full size desktop keyboard
13:46<pharaun>straterra: yeah, those keyboard are what i was talking about
13:46<Daevien>i've got an acer 3820tg, 13.3" i5, etc
13:46<Talman>I want a tablet PC with wacom.
13:46<straterra>I love my HP netbook for work
13:47<straterra>I don't need horsepower for working on servers
13:47<pharaun>got to use one for a while, it was nice
13:47<Talman>What is it, straterra a Mini 110?
13:47<pharaun>am assigned the 2 meteric assload ton thinkpad t61p, hates em
13:47<straterra>I did both china deployments with the netbook. Great for testing wifi, or running to go test a jack..or stopping to configure ESX
13:47<straterra>Talman: Fuck no. I have those maxi-pad like touchpads
13:47<Talman>The only thing its missing is a serial port.
13:47<straterra>I have the 5101
13:47<pharaun>straterra: yeah that's one of those thing that i wanted a netbook for :)
13:48<straterra>I would work all day on one charge with it..forget to plug it in, heh
13:48<Talman>Ah, I have a Mini 110-1100 AT&T.
13:48<straterra>And whats with wifi and a bluetooth mouse..and usually music playing
13:48<straterra>It's starting to get a bit..beat up, but that happens with work hardware
13:49<pharaun>straterra: haha if you want to talk about beaten up look at some of my co-workers laptop
13:49<pharaun>some of they carry them around by grabbing the screen top and walking around and bashing it into everything -_-
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13:51<Talman>Yeah, AT&T put a GSM modem in place of the bluetooth in this thing. :()
13:52<pharaun>i have yet to find a valid usage for bluetooth
13:52<straterra>I'd rather have a USB GSM dongle thing
13:52<straterra>pharaun: Works great for wireless mice and headsets
13:52<pharaun>straterra: deaf :3 but mice, yeah i guess, just don't have any bluetooth mouse
13:52<straterra>I only use wireless mice with my laptops in the field, heh
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13:55<Daevien>pharaun: i5, 6 hrs life, under 4lbs for $700 canadian for what i have ;)
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13:57<pharaun>Daevien: not bad, esp for the price
13:57<pharaun>the x201 is expensive
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14:08<Daevien>best use for bluetooth i use is bluetooth mouse so i don't lose a usb port
14:09<straterra>And of course a bluetooth headset for your phone
14:10<pharaun>bluetooth headset drives me nutty sometime
14:10*nDuff 's electric bicycle had a bluetooth interface for reading battery/motor/throttle/etc. data
14:10<pharaun>cos i will see someone chat in middle of no where with nothing
14:10<pharaun>and am going... um he's talking to himself, oh right bluetooth
14:10<nDuff>...spent some time writing an Android app to record that data feed and plot it alongside GPS data
14:11<straterra>pharaun: I try to avoid doing that. If I'm on the phone, I tell the person to hold on while I go inside to pay for gas or w/e
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14:13<superdug>WHY WONT LINODE LET ME RUN OPEN SOLARIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:13<superdug>I mean, hello everyone, good afternoon
14:13<Daevien>too any !'s
14:14<tjfontaine>why won't linode let me love you
14:14<Peng>Too few 1s.
14:14<straterra>tjfontaine: I want you to want me..I need you to need me..
14:14<straterra>I'd love for you to love me..oooh, I'm begging you to beg me
14:14<superdug>I do I do I Do I do I do I see you cryin ...
14:15<@Perihelion>I want you to want me?
14:15<tjfontaine>straterra: <3
14:15<tjfontaine>Perihelion: <3
14:15<straterra><3 all around
14:15<@Perihelion>That wasn't for you, it was a general <3
14:15<@Perihelion>But <3 all the same, tjfontaine.
14:15<tjfontaine>Perihelion: you may not have destined it for me, but I gave you my heart anyway
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14:16<@Perihelion>tjfontaine: <3
14:16<@Perihelion>Paid in full.
14:16<@Perihelion>No shut up
14:16<tjfontaine>pparadis: true enough
14:16<pharaun>straterra: ah? haha
14:16<@Perihelion>We're having a moment
14:16<@tychoish>pparadis: you're one to talk?
14:16<@pparadis>double creeper all the way
14:16<@pparadis>tychoish: i am a very nice man.
14:16<@pparadis>you hush.
14:16<Talman>Can you all stop trying to get up Perihelion's clone?
14:17<@tychoish>you gtfo.
14:17<@Perihelion>If by nice you mean creepy.
14:17<@pparadis>but i have a lovely wife and daughter! i must be a very nice man.
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14:21<pharaun>moonlight is mooning you all
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14:49<dominikh> ← second review is kinda funny.
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14:52<sirpengi>the plan data is so old
14:53<Peng>dominikh: That was an interesting one.
14:53<Peng>I wonder what he thinks of London? :D
14:54<dominikh>depends, is Linode at the West Coast? ;)
14:54<@pparadis>people sometimes have difficulty differentiating between a bad platform and their own lack of ability to administer servers.
14:54*pparadis shrugs
14:55<dominikh>pparadis: there's no such thing as bad admins. Even in the case of unmanaged hosting, it's always the hoster's fault :)
14:58<dominikh>huh. the german wikipedia article on cloud computing mentions S3, GoGrid and Linode as examples
15:00<@Perihelion>THE CLOUDDDDDDDD
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15:01<straterra>That word shouldn't even be in wikipedia
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15:08<Talman>wat word
15:08<pharaun>FULL OF WIN
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15:10<linbot>New news from forums: IPv6 in Linux Networking <>
15:11<graq-irssi>!f jedi
15:11<linbot>graq-irssi: timed out
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15:16<graq-irssi>!f internet
15:16<linbot>graq-irssi: The Internet is a global system of interconnected computer networks that use the standard Internet Protocol Suite (TCP/IP) to serve billions of users worldwide. It is a network of networks that consists of millions of private, public, academic, business, and government networks, of local to global scope, that are linked by a broad array of electronic and optical networking technologies. The Internet (1 more message)
15:16<swaj>apparently gets > 100 million hits per day according to alexa :P
15:16<graq-irssi>Who is she?
15:16<graq-irssi>!f alexa
15:16<linbot>graq-irssi: Alexa can refer to:
15:16*graq-irssi waits...
15:16<dcraig>!more graq-irssi
15:16<linbot>dcraig: carries a vast range of information resources and services, such as the inter-linked hypertext documents of the World Wide Web (WWW) and the infrastructure to support electronic mail.
15:16<dcraig>electronic mail? wow
15:17<swaj>and actually it seems like it's > 200 million
15:17<linbot>graq-irssi: carries a vast range of information resources and services, such as the inter-linked hypertext documents of the World Wide Web (WWW) and the infrastructure to support electronic mail.
15:17<pharaun>no its >uncountable millions
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15:18*graq-irssi . o O ( bots are patient teachers )
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15:19<@jed>heckman: fail.
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15:20<graq-irssi>f alexa
15:20<graq-irssi>!f alexa
15:20<linbot>graq-irssi: Alexa can refer to:
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15:20*graq-irssi twirls linbot around.
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15:29<@heckman>^ your web broke
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15:32<straterra>I've done it! I've made..a buckyballs sphere!
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15:32<@Perihelion>I make the cube a lot
15:32<@Perihelion>That is until some of them got lost somewhere
15:33<straterra>Yeah..the cube is easy to make without thinking about it
15:33<@Perihelion>Now I've lost interest in them
15:33<Talman>I thought buckyballs were evil cause the owner's a douche.
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15:39<straterra>The sphere is badass
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15:40<straterra>My problem is..after I create it, I want to destroy it
15:40<straterra>I used to do that to Lego brick creations too
15:40<G>Perihelion: so how come hoggs gets a shirt and not me? ;)
15:40<@Perihelion>We love him more.
15:40<Peng>His nick has more Gs.
15:40<@Perihelion>That too.
15:40*G walks away sobbing
15:40<@Perihelion>Your tears sustain me.
15:40<@pparadis>Perihelion: look what you have done. just look at it.
15:41<@Perihelion>I'ma lookin' and I'ma likin'
15:41<graq-irssi>I'ts just putting balls in a box... but it's in the THE CUBE
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15:41<@pparadis>note, is nsfw
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15:43<JshWright>pparadis: noted
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15:43<Daevien>hey jed.. lastpass bought xmarks, isn't it you that like swears by lastpass?
15:43<straterra>pparadis: now i must click
15:44<@jed>Daevien: I used to use keepass, then quit
15:45<Nivex>We still use a commercial product called Web Confidential here at work
15:45<straterra>I need some software that stores all of my usernames and passwords, enters them in webpages for me, and syncs to my ipod and android phone
15:45<Nivex>I don't think it's being actively maintained anymore.
15:45<Daevien>jed: ah
15:45<Nivex>but we haven't been able to find a suitable replacement for our environment
15:45<Talman>What is it>
15:45<Talman>Its classified as "porn" by the filter system.
15:46<Daevien>straterra: the press release mentions iphone app & android app but mor ein the context of xmarks i think, not mentionign lastpass, maybe they have one already though? $20 for both for a year i guess
15:46<sirpengi>Talman: that's because it is
15:46<straterra>Daevien: they have one what?
15:47<Daevien>straterra: lastpass app for iphone/android
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15:47<straterra>oh awesome
15:47*mwalling likes keepass
15:47<straterra>Windows, mac, linux..and mobile devices
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15:47<Daevien>i said maybe, hold one befor eyou get excited lol
15:47<Daevien>i'm checking now :p
15:48<Daevien>ugh, maybe you shocheck. y connection = shit right now
15:49<Daevien>actually, page finally loaded. they do in fact seem to have one for android & iphone. requires paid service but $20 a year for it and the bookmark sync of xmarks isn't bad
15:49<mikegrb>mmm cake
15:49<straterra>$20 a year is cake
15:50<Daevien>i use right now, cause i figured xmarks was toast
15:50<straterra>I don't use xmarks anymore
15:50<straterra>I use chrome everywhere, so I just use Chrome's sync
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15:52<Talman>Do you use adblock for Chrome?
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15:52<straterra>And NotScripts
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15:56<Daevien>pinboard is a web interface, basically delicious without sharing your stuff to the world, very little graphics, etc. site works quickly and does it's job. cost like $6.50 for me at the time and that's lifetime cost
15:56<straterra>Daevien: you should get commision from the password sync place
15:56<Daevien>so i can just add a coupel bookmarklets to whatever browser and easily access stuff, it's got rss output as well for backing up stuff, works for me
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15:57<Daevien>heh signed up did you straterra?
15:57<straterra>I did
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15:58<Daevien>iprob will next week or week after, depending on finances, jsut to compare and stuff. only $20 but th new month and me having to give caker money, rent, etcthis paycheck is finished off by christmas stuff :p
15:59<straterra>Daevien: I'm willing to buy yours for referring me!
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15:59<Daevien>lol with my luck, it'll crash & burn & destroy all of your bookmarks tomorrow and you'll be hunting me then :p
16:00<straterra>I have backups
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16:01<straterra>Daevien: If they integrate xmarks with their software..I'll be sooo happy
16:03<linbot>tjfontaine: Yo momma's so charitable she donates her facial hair to charity! (831:6/0) [momur]
16:03<tjfontaine>should be: 'donates her facial hair to locks for love'
16:03<straterra>!urmom vote down 831
16:03<linbot>straterra: Voted down 831 [mourm]
16:03<tjfontaine>or is it of love?
16:03<Daevien>straterra: yeah, the press releasesays seperate for now but it's logcal conclusion since xmarks has password sync too
16:03<tjfontaine>straterra: who wrote the book of love?
16:03<straterra>Daevien: it broke my chrome.. :/
16:04<tjfontaine>(1password ||
16:04<stinebd>invalid lhs
16:04<Daevien>ouch really? i was just downloading it :p
16:04<tjfontaine>(host proof hosting)++
16:05<Daevien>what ver of chrome you using?
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16:05<straterra>The latest
16:05<straterra>This could be coincidental, however
16:05<Daevien>standard, dev or beta? :p
16:06<tjfontaine>urmoms channel
16:06<Daevien>chrome has like a zillion versions runnign concurrently
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16:06<straterra>It might just be me though
16:07<straterra>Maybe I'm not running the latest. I have 7.0 on here
16:09<Daevien>i'm runnign 8 on this thing, 9 on my laptop under archlinux (yes, i broke down and installed arch again to see if all the people saying my complaints of it breaking shit on updates is really better or not :p
16:09<tjfontaine>missing ending paren
16:10<Talman>Your ass is subject to terrorist attack.
16:10<straterra>tjfontaine: no worries..he uses python
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16:11<tjfontaine>pparadis: you oughta know by now
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16:11<Peng>!f locks of love
16:11<linbot>Peng: This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
16:12<Peng>Locks of Love++
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16:12<ejp>Daevien: I've been using arch a few places for a couple years now. No issues I've seen.
16:12<ejp>just about to reconfig my home server from ubuntu to arch infact.
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16:13<straterra>Daevien: Yeah..still broken. The first tab in Chrome works, but thats it
16:13<straterra>Also, you can't open the extension menu or anything
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16:16<Daevien>ejp: i used to run arch, one update upgraded X and blew up well basically everything. i got fed up, recovered home stuff and nuked arch :p
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16:18<MJCS>anyone know how to style a disabled checkbox?
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16:19<graq-irssi>!locksoflove vote up 10
16:19*graq-irssi sobs.
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16:20<mwalling>what are you even trying to do?
16:20<linbot>mwalling: It's just you.
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16:21<Nivex>this is the longest running wootoff I"ve seen
16:21<graq-irssi>!f lolcats
16:21<linbot>graq-irssi: A lolcat (usually pronounced /ˈlɒlkæt/ LOL-kat, sometimes el-oh-el cat) is an image combining a photograph of a cat with text intended to contribute humour. The text is often idiosyncratic and grammatically incorrect, and its use in this way is known as "lolspeak" or "kitty pidgin". "Lolcat" is a compound word of the acronymic abbreviation "LOL" and the word "cat". A synonym for "lolcat" is cat (1 more message)
16:21<mwalling>this is one of the first since amazon took over, right?
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16:22<G>MJCS: you'd style a disabled checkbox the same way you'd style any checkbox
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16:23<G>MJCS: A five year old with a box of crayons
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16:23<Nivex>yeah, just because the checkbox is in a wheelchair...
16:23<jeremiah_>Does anyone else see and error here:
16:23<G>jeremiah_: thats the old link
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16:23<G>Out w/ the old, in w/ the new!
16:24<noirlord>sudo aptitude purge snow :|
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16:25<Nivex>noirlord: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/spool/weather/), are you God?
16:25<@pparadis>jeremiah_: did you navigate directly to that page, or did you get to it via a link from somewhere else?
16:25<tjfontaine>I'm guessing bookmark
16:25<@pparadis>yeah, just making sure.
16:26<MJCS>G: very funny
16:26<G>pparadis: I thought there were going to be 301s etc on it all?
16:26<tjfontaine>urlrewrite :)
16:26*mwalling 301s urmom
16:26<G>MJCS: oh I'm a comic genius :)
16:26<G>like even that is funny
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16:27<MJCS>but really. All I want to do is make the darn thing a bit darker as it blends into my site too much
16:27*noirlord hands Nivex the "I'm full of cold feel like shit and the weather is awful but you just made me laugh" award
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16:28<noirlord>It's eerily weird weather here, simultaneously very very cold (for the UK) and still snowing really fine flakes that are sticking to everything, I can't ever remember anything like this
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16:29<jeremiah_>G: =)
16:29<tjfontaine>jeremiah_: you didn't answer the question
16:29<jeremiah_>pparadis: I think I used an old link to get there.
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16:30<Daevien>straterra: try restartign chrome a few times, it didnt' work quite right with chrom e8 either at first, restarted 2 or 3 times and it seems ot be workign now. firefox worked right away
16:30*jeremiah_ smacks tjfontaine with the patience bat
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16:32<graq-irssi>Is it still possible to get ?
16:33<straterra>Daevien: still no go..but i blame chrome
16:33<dcraig>my linode is a dual-core xeon 5130, but htop shows 4 cpus... how does that happen?
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16:33<jeremiah_>dcraig: Two cores?
16:33<jeremiah_>per node
16:34<dcraig>so there's two physical processors on the board?
16:34<Peng>dcraig: Yes.
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16:34<@pparadis>hosts have eight cores. linodes have access to four cores.
16:34<Peng>Woah, 5130? THat's ooold.
16:34<straterra>dcraig: It's usually dual quad core xeons
16:34<dcraig>so maybe there are 4 physical processors on the board?
16:34<Peng>5130s are only dual-core.
16:34<straterra>Is that thing even Xen?
16:34<dcraig>seems like a lot
16:35<Peng>dcraig: How long have you had this node? I'm impressed you're on such an old host.
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16:35<dcraig>about 2 months
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16:35<Peng>dcraig: Linode uses dual-CPU boxes. Currently they use quad-core CPUs; in the past they used dual-core.
16:35<jeremiah_>dcraig: Why does it seem like a lot?
16:35<jeremiah_>dcraig: There are chips with 58 cores
16:35<Peng>*Way* in the past I think they used single CPUs, but... :D
16:36<Peng>dcraig: Are you sure it's a 5130?
16:36<dcraig>jere, it seems like a lot of processors to fit on one motherboard
16:36<G>MJCS: iirc there is a CSS style for it
16:36<dcraig>peng, I'm reading /proc/cpuinfo
16:36<straterra>dcraig: It's only two processors per board
16:36<dcraig>is there some other way to tell?
16:36<straterra>That's..not a lot
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16:36<Peng>dcraig: No, that's the right way. You're on an older host.
16:36<jeremiah_>dcraig: It is a big server, there is plenty of room. ;)
16:36<mwalling> 224,256 cores
16:36<dcraig>but how can there be 8 cores with two 5130s?
16:36<Peng>dcraig: THere aren't!
16:37<straterra>There can't be
16:37<@pparadis>that would indeed be an older host
16:37<@pparadis>dcraig: what host is your linode on?
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16:38<mikegrb>mmm cake
16:38<Peng>The hardware budget was spent on cake, so they're recycling old servers. :D
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16:38<mikegrb>mmm cake
16:38<jeremiah_>There's cake?
16:38<straterra>jeremiah_: no..its a lie
16:39<mikegrb>mmm cake
16:39<jeremiah_>I heard there was cake
16:39<G>Peng: The 6th datacentre is filled w/ 1U Cakes with IPv6 connectivity
16:39<jeremiah_>^^ see, there *IS* cake
16:39<Peng>G: omg want
16:39<jeremiah_>Mike, umm, I said cake
16:39<jeremiah_>Stupid bot
16:39<G>jeremiah_: iirc he had to rate limit it
16:40<G>jeremiah_: because FloodServ kept banning him :P
16:40<mwalling>G: ITYM kline
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16:40<G>mwalling: no I'm pretty sure it was channel bans
16:41<mwalling>G: hi, i'd know. kline
16:41<bob2>mikegrb got klined?
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16:41<tjfontaine>there was actually a bug in floodserv
16:41<tjfontaine>bad tj
16:42<mwalling>G: if FloodServ cant handle you with a +q, it takes more drastic action
16:42<straterra>Daevien: worked perfect on my home machine
16:42<mikegrb>mmm cake
16:43<Daevien>straterra: yeah working on archlinux with chrome 9
16:43<Daevien>jsut flipped over to my system
16:44<G>mwalling: yeah it was +q's (I class +q as similar/same as channel ban)
16:44<tjfontaine>they are handled similarly in the code as well
16:44<mwalling>G: and since being a chanop overrides a +q, FloodServ needs to take a more agressive action
16:45<Daevien>straterra: it'll autologin to sites if you tell it
16:45<tjfontaine>floodserv goes: ZOMG WTF YOU'RE STILL BLABBING? M. D. K.
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16:56<Daevien>straterra: seems to work quite nicely in fact & $12 for just lastpass / $20 for xmarks & lastpass is worth it i'd say
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16:58<Daevien>tried the ipod app yet?
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17:10<noirlord>on a slightly random note (reading slashdot), if Assange goes ahead and releases the documents he has about russian politicians and their ties ties to the long in days would you give him?
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17:12<iggy>30 minutes
17:13<iggy>he's probably already got a sniper following him around
17:13<noirlord>I'd laugh but we are talking about the FSB and they are a scary bunch...
17:14<noirlord>any agency that uses radioactive waste to make an example of someone in another countries capital and then basically responds with "yeah and what are you going to do about it?"
17:14<bob2>relatedly, when did it become socially acceptable for congresspeople to openly imply the us government should be murdering people?
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17:15<noirlord>bob2, when news stopped been about facts and became about opinions, Fox is not the only example but they are perhaps the worst
17:15<avenj>news has always been about opinions, nobody without an agenda ever started a newspaper
17:16<sirpengi>s/opinions/scaring people/
17:16<avenj>and 'should be'? we do that already, killing off potential threats is part of what governments do :o
17:16<noirlord>Russell Brand (extremely funny comedian) said in an interview "Tyranny is the absence of nuance"
17:16<LPCA>LDAP vs MySQL vs PostgreSQL ->
17:18<noirlord>avenj, this is true however if you look at old news sources even the ones with a definable bias would at least include the counter argument, Fox has freely admitted it makes shit up
17:20<noirlord>I see it happening in the UK, polarised sources of news divide people who then only get news from those sources, any chance of a reasonable debate goes out the window since seeing the other persons point of view is the first step to compromise
17:20<Peng>OT, but after using magic sysrq to take the keyboard away from X, how do I give it back?
17:20<Peng>Switching terminals when I'm just trying to switch tabs in irssi is confusing. :P
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17:22<Peng>"kbd_mode". Scary.
17:23<noirlord>looked at irssi but could not see a clear enough advantage to make the cost of switching worthwhile
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17:24<kenyon>advantage over what?
17:25<Peng>I'm afraid to try it, though. There are scary warnings about breaking the keyboard.
17:25<sirpengi><3 weechat
17:25<kenyon>I guess xchat has a command line version, never tried it though
17:25<Peng>Especially since it says my keyboard is in UNICODE mode, not XLATE.
17:26<Peng>I'm still on irssi because I doubt weechat is worth the learning curve.
17:26<noirlord>took a wild stab in the dark (which is what I'd like to do to the people who wrote the RFC's) at writing an IRC client years ago, I arrived at the opinion it is easy to lash something up but hard to do it well (lot's of edge cases and weird spec implementations)
17:26<sirpengi>that's strange, I'm on weechat because the irssi learning curve is steep
17:27<noirlord>also BNF should have been strangled, drowned, stomped on and then set on fire before encasement in concrete and dropped down a deep well
17:27<@pparadis>hm, i found irssi easier to pick up than a lot of other choices.
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17:27<dominikh>weechat and irssi learning curves are pretty much the same imho. weechat just offers more features and a wider variety of supported scripting languages
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17:31<sirpengi>what's wrong with BNF?
17:31<sirpengi><3 lex & yacc
17:31<Peng>Doing "sudo kbd_mode -s" in one of my consoles worked. <3
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17:31<message144>noirlord, BNF isn't so bad
17:31<Peng>Low-level unixy stuff with "unusable" in the description scares me.
17:32<dominikh>noirlord: IRC bot framework developer here, and I can assure you that the protocol is, indeed, a PITA
17:32<Peng>I don't have anything against weechat -- I've just been using irssi since before it was around, and am satisfied enough that I do not want to learn a new client.
17:32<noirlord>dominikh, it was many years ago but yeah it was
17:33<dominikh>noirlord: it only got worse ;)
17:34<noirlord>dominikh, the only protocol I've used since that was worse was yahoo's for their messenger client
17:34<dominikh>noirlord: never looked at that
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17:35<noirlord>it was (might be better now) utterly horrible, binary protocol using weird characters as delimiters, version layered on version, some fields only present on some versions, fields within fields without any consistency
17:35<noirlord>just absolutely horrible
17:35<dominikh>oh, that kinda protocol. neat
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17:36<noirlord>oh and they had two completely seperate protocols with overlapping functionality, YCHT and YMSG (start of packet was one or the other), YCHT was simpler but had no messenger functionality merely working with chat rooms while YMSG was for Yahoo Messenger and also worked with chat rooms
17:37<noirlord>around that time I knew yahoo was essentially doomed
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17:39<noirlord>Google just went with XMPP which is a much nicer protocol
17:40<@jed>except for the XML
17:40<nDuff>*shrug*; XMPP is ambitious -- intends to be used for arbitrary purposes, not just IM, and several folks _do_ use it that way
17:40<sirpengi>can't say XMPP ain't flexible
17:41<nDuff>from that perspective, things like XML namespacing actually come in handy
17:41<nDuff>look at Wave being built on top of it
17:41<noirlord>I like it and it is a massive improvement over proprietary IM protocols
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17:42<noirlord>reverse engineering just yahoo's was challenging enough so I've always had alot of respect for the pidgin developers since you could not *pay me* to do it constantly
17:49<Cromulent>noirlord: if you think that is hard see what some of the OpenBSD devs have to do reverse engineering device drivers
17:51<noirlord>indeed, not just the OpenBSD crowd either anyone who reverse engineers a driver has my respect
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17:52<wedatcan>hi all
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17:53<tjfontaine>buh bye
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17:54<wedatcan>./login 123
17:54<tjfontaine>Perihelion: funny, oftc used to block the entire netblock
17:54<wedatcan>sorry :)
17:54<@Perihelion>tjfontaine: I still do :>
17:55<@Perihelion>Much of Brazil too, unfortunately.
17:55<tjfontaine>ya, we used to do that too
17:55<tjfontaine>we rely more on killzones and rbls (reluctantly)
17:55<@Perihelion>I run my own
17:56<@Perihelion>That way if it's wrong I can only blame myself
17:56<@Perihelion>Nein, but it could be with some work
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17:56<tjfontaine>oftc needs to start providing feedback to dronebl
17:57<tjfontaine>but last I checked the api didn't support an automatic mechanism
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17:57<@Perihelion>I have a key if you need stuff added
17:57<@Perihelion>There are a few scripts that will allow you to batch add..could probably mod one
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17:57<@Perihelion>He seems lost.
17:57<tjfontaine>ya, well I'd prefer if they weighted an automatic differently than a humans addition
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17:58<tjfontaine>time to travel home
17:58<wedatcan>perih you girl ?
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17:59<@Perihelion>I'm a bot.
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17:59<wedatcan>you have msn adress?
17:59<@Perihelion>Not for you :)
17:59<G>MSN? Whats that? :P
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18:01<wedatcan>you bot?
18:02<wedatcan>botmusun am0131na kodumun cocugu ?
18:02<wedatcan>la yarram konussana
18:02<amitz>why do you think i'm bot?
18:02<@Perihelion>I'm an English speaking bot.
18:02<wedatcan>botsan botum de ay0131p bi015fey de011fil
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18:02<G>me no speak no english
18:02<wedatcan>all bot ?
18:02<wedatcan>botmusunuz lan alay0131n0131z?
18:02<wedatcan>yeah 0131 speak turkish
18:03<amitz>how does all bot make you feel?
18:03-!-jamescollins [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
18:03<wedatcan>lan oglum adam olun lan hanginiz bot de011fil ortaya c0131ks0131n s0131kecem ama
18:03<wedatcan>amitz pls go to :D
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18:03<@Perihelion>How about you speak English instead? :)
18:03<JshWright>english speaking channel folks...
18:03<wedatcan>la k0131z0131m sana google translateyi
18:03<wedatcan>söyledim ya
18:03<wedatcan>gir oraya çeviri yap am0131na koy0131m
18:04<wedatcan>bak doruyu söyle botmusun ?
18:04<mwalling>Perihelion: can fix
18:04<amitz>amits pls go to sometimes make me think.
18:04<JshWright>wedatcan: english please
18:04<wedatcan>gotunemi giriyo türkçe konu015fmam ?
18:04-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*wedatcan@88.252.123.*] by Perihelion
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18:05<dominikh>do that in Germany and everyone will call you a racist :P
18:05*mwalling watches snodes
18:05<mwalling>hes trying :)
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18:06<pbryan>"Whoops! Something went wrong :(" trying to add a node to my account.
18:07<pbryan>New Linode Manager having some problems?
18:07<@Perihelion>pbryan: Can you put in a ticket?
18:07<pbryan>Maybe. We'll see.
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18:09<pbryan>Okay, ticket created.
18:09<Keith>I'm curious if any of you folks are Lighttpd users? I'm trying to figure out how I'm goign to convert from Apache2..and adapting the virtual hosts will be interesting.
18:10<Gika>Keith: i'd recommend nginx instead, but the procedure is pretty straightforward anyway
18:10<pbryan>I was. I use nginx now.
18:10<bob2>don't go down the lighttpd path
18:10<avenj>what's wrong with lighttpd?
18:10<avenj>(not looking to argue the point, just curious)
18:10<bob2>the config format is tedious
18:11<Gika>avenj: as far as i remember it was pretty buggy and less "light" than expected
18:11<amitz>the path ends to an unseen cliff.
18:11<pbryan>Nothing wrong per se. Just not as clean or fast.
18:11<joeDeuce>well, imho, lighttpd is very light, and very easy to setup
18:11<Keith>I wasn't looking to start a web server argument...
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18:11<Gika>also it doesn't support dynamic error pages
18:11<joeDeuce>compared to apache.... i haven't used nginx or anything else
18:12<Peng>I'm happy enough with Lighttpd. At the time I was switching away from Apache, I didn't think Nginx's English documentation and community were mature enough.
18:12<dominikh>I switched from Apache to lighttpd, was all "wee", then changed from lighttpd to nginx and now I am all "whow, awesome"
18:12<stinebd>i switched from lighttpd to apache
18:12<pbryan>One thing I actually liked about Lightty was the ability to run scripts to generate config artifacts.
18:12<bob2>Peng: true, but it has become a lot better in the past few years
18:12<avenj>I switched to IIS
18:12*avenj runs far away
18:13<Keith>Youtube uses it.
18:13<joeDeuce>i have multiple domains, and multiple subdoomains under one domain, all on one linode, and lighttpd works like a charm
18:13<Keith>Even wikipedia I belive.
18:13*Peng shoots flaming arrows at avenj
18:13<bob2>I bet youtube does not
18:13<joeDeuce>lol avenj
18:13<Peng>bob2: Indeed. As I said, "At the time". Doing it again today, I would likely go with Nginx.
18:13<Keith>Peng: PM?
18:14<bob2>Peng: right, sorry, was agreeing (I chose lighttpd at the time for the same reason)
18:14<joeDeuce>had to drop over and defend lighttpd, see you guys later :)
18:14<@jed>I haven't touched lighttpd since I discovered nginx
18:14<Peng>Keith: I probably don't have anything to offer you, but sure.
18:15<Keith>Okay I'll need to part the hcannel for the time being-can't deal with hearing multiple things.
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18:15<noirlord>I looked at nginx and then went with apache anyway
18:15<Peng>Fieldy: Who, Keith?
18:15<@caker>pbryan: should be all better now
18:15<pbryan>caker: looks good
18:15<stinebd>i believe keith is blind and uses a screen reader, not (necessarily) emo
18:15<pbryan>what was the problem? connectivity to billing system i suspect?
18:15<avenj>stinebd: he's actually fairly emo too :o
18:16<Peng>stinebd: Indeed. Assuming this is the same Keith.
18:16<avenj>but that is also true.
18:16<Peng>Oh crap.
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18:16<@caker>pbryan: something like that yeah -- it crashed before doing anything with your credit card, btw
18:17<pbryan>caker: That's reassuring. :-)
18:17*Peng sets himself -G
18:17<Peng>G: No pun intended.
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18:18<G>Peng: huh?
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18:19<Peng>G: /umode Peng -G
18:19<Peng>Wait, that's bad syntax. But anyway.
18:20<G>Peng: what on earth is umode G on oftc?
18:20<Peng>G: Soft callerid. To PM you, the PMer has to share a channel with you.
18:20<G>ahhh right
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18:21<Peng>I was +G, and then Keith wanted to PM me...and parted the channel first. :D
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18:25<Daevien>pbryan: what he means is he draine dyoru account dry then gave an error. caker has shifty eyes
18:26<Peng>(/accept Keith)
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18:29<Peng>What the. Ambulance outside.
18:29<Peng>Coming this way.
18:29<Daevien>your eyes are bleeding already from 2 misn of convo with him peng?
18:29<Peng>...and going upstairs.
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18:30<MJCS>can input checkboxes be readonly?
18:30<amitz>and going back downstair and taking out your tv.
18:31<Peng>amitz: I have my eye on it.
18:31<Peng>(This is an apartment building. He's outside.)
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18:32<amitz>do you have unbearable neighbor? perhaps you no longer have.
18:32<BarkerJr>can other people see my ssl fingerprint in whois?
18:32<Peng>BarkerJr: Only opers.
18:32<BarkerJr>ok, good :)
18:32<pbryan>What's the latency of a DNS in Linode Manager and it showing-up on ns*
18:32<amitz>i call that positive thinking.
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18:33<tristen>Is there any documentation on assigning an IP (I have 2) to a different disk image so I can run a separate linux distro?
18:33<BarkerJr>pbryan: up to 15mins
18:33<pbryan>Okay, thanks.
18:33<Daevien>pbryan: reloaded every 15 mins i believe, but showing up there and showing up on the rest of the internet aren't necessarily the same thing
18:33<pbryan>I shall be patient...
18:33<amitz>every multiple of 15 minutes from any full hour.
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18:35<BarkerJr>if you need faster updates, run your own dns :)
18:36<Peng>If you're using Linode's DNS as a slave, they update seconds after receiving a NOTIFY.
18:37<BarkerJr>maybe faster than seconds :)
18:37<noirlord>I've only done it twice but both times my ISP's DNS was resolving in under an hour..
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18:41<BarkerJr>well, you can always tweak the ttl, right?
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18:42<tristen>Is running two distros from two IPs on one linode possible?
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18:42<tristen>Doesn't look like it is ..
18:42<bob2>but that'd be silly
18:43<Daevien>tristen: you can make more than one, but one active config per node max
18:43<Peng>tristen: A Linode is like a physical system. You can dual-boot, or install some sort of virtualization solution (yes, on your Linode) if you want to run 2 OSes at once. Or buy another Linode.
18:43<bob2>what problem are you trying to solve
18:43<Daevien>yeah, what peng said
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18:44<MarkJ>Think of it as having a dual-boot setup like you might have at home, and can boot to Windows or linux
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18:45<tristen>Hmm thanks - I have one disk image currently running a few sites and I just bought more space and allocated a disk so that I could run an NGINX server to try some node stuff.
18:46<tristen>I'd like both to run at the same time so if dual boot is possible I believe thats what I should look at doing
18:46<MarkJ>No dual boot is so you can boot into one OR the other
18:46<bob2>no, that's the opposite of what you want
18:46<bob2>'dual boot' means 'boot one of two systems'
18:47<tristen>oh ... ouch haha
18:47<tristen>ok not that.
18:47<Peng>tristen: You need to either get a second Linode (costs money) or install some virtualization system on your node (ugly and slow).
18:47<Peng>tristen: Or, option C, give up or just run this stuff on your current node.
18:48<tristen>Ahh ok thanks ... I think I'll get another one
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18:49<Daevien>linodes are like chips, cna't have just one
18:49<Peng>Daevien: Ya can if you get a really big one!
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18:50<Daevien>Peng: amitz tells me you don't have that particular "issue"
18:50<Keith>Peng: I closed the query window, not ignoring you. THought you should know.
18:52<Peng>Keith: Okay. Welcome back to the channel. :)
18:53<Keith>Lighttpd reduced my memory issue very much so.
18:53*Keith grins.
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18:53<Keith>And I had Apche fully tuned too.
19:03<blaze13>Hello everyone, I'm the latest newb on Linode
19:03<avenj>-> cue round of applause
19:03<avenj>greetings :)
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19:04<Cromulent>hmm I wish it wasn't snowing so much - I'm waiting for a books from Amazon and they can't deliver it :(
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19:05<blaze13>thanks avenj, i'm glad i finally signed up because i think i learned more in the last week than in three years of running sites from shared
19:05<blaze13>cut about 2 seconds off my load times too :)
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19:05<Cromulent>blaze13: yeah I found the same thing
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19:16<_Ray_>Hey. I'm about to sign up to Linode, and was referred here by a friend of mine from university. I haven't seen him in a few days so I don't know what his referral code is, but I know his name and the website he hosts here. Should I just wait to sign up till he gives me his referral code, or is there any other way? Thanks :)
19:17<bob2>that's the easiest way
19:17<sirpengi>only he knows what his referral code is
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19:17<_Ray_>Alright, thanks :)
19:18<bob2>sirpengi: not quite :x
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19:20<Yaakov>_Ray_: Actually, you can get someone to help you.
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19:20<tjfontaine>that's a neat power
19:20<Yaakov>_Ray_: needs some assistance.
19:21<sirpengi>and here I thought it was just a myth
19:21<Yaakov>He wants to reward his friend with a referral but doesn't know the code. He would prefer not to put off signuping.
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19:21<Yaakov>Could you, fair Perihelion, help him?
19:21<@Perihelion>_Ray_: You can sign up and put in a ticket once you get his referral code from him
19:21<tjfontaine>usually they can verify and apply backwards
19:21<@Perihelion>Just say that you didn't have it at the time you signed up
19:22<Yaakov>Thank you.
19:22<tjfontaine>Yaakov: <3
19:22<_Ray_>Thanks! :)
19:22<@Perihelion>tjfontaine: Yaakov knows of other ways to summon me as well :<
19:22<bob2>hm, coulda sworn it was sha1 of username
19:22<bob2>but no dice!
19:22<sirpengi>Yaakov: ask her for a pony too while you're at it
19:22<@Perihelion>I have a pony!
19:22<tjfontaine>bob2: itym accountid
19:22<tjfontaine>bob2: userid changes from linode to linode
19:23<tjfontaine>well not login username I guess
19:23<tjfontaine>manager I mean
19:23<tjfontaine>context is king
19:23<bob2>accountid is harder to find in New LPM
19:24<@Perihelion>Note to self: Rice and Jack Daniels do not mix well.
19:24<bob2>Perihelion: cook the rice first
19:24<sirpengi>condi drinks jack daniels?
19:24<tjfontaine>breads are good for liquor just not in rice sized
19:24<sirpengi>I can see the problem there
19:24<@Perihelion>bob2: I did :<
19:25<@Perihelion>And I was like...this looks delicious
19:25<@Perihelion>And it was
19:25<mwalling>in the jack?
19:25<@Perihelion>Sadly no
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19:25<mwalling>what a waste of the jack
19:25<@Perihelion>But that gives me terrible ideas
19:26<bob2>i give up, i can't find my accountid anymore
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19:30<Daevien>soon as i saw that one, i knew it had to be pasted here :p
19:31<@Perihelion>Sad nerds.
19:31<Daevien>pfft. go back & shave your llama Perihelion:
19:32<@Perihelion>Seen it lol
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19:35<amitz>Daevien: indeed. one of mine is enough for everybody.
19:37<G>Perihelion: *sob* *sob* ;)
19:37<G>when does marketing become just plain annoying?
19:37<@Perihelion>G: Not my fault :<
19:38*_Ray_ now has a Linode account :)
19:38<G>especially the whole "Service X coming to Company soon" type of marketting
19:39<sirpengi>hip hip hoo_Ray_
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19:40<@Perihelion>_Ray_: Welcome aboard!
19:41<_Ray_>Thanks :)
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19:43<goose>omg, it's Perihelion, my e-wife
19:43<goose>there wouldn't happen to be documentation on how to proxy one's entire home computer traffic through their Linode, would there?
19:43<@Perihelion>It's future ex husband number 12 or so
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19:43<@Perihelion>Set up a VPN?
19:43<Peng>G: "Coming soon to Linode, nati<gets stabbed>
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19:44<mwalling>!library openvpn
19:44<linbot>mwalling: 1. Secure Communications with OpenVPN on CentOS 5 ( - 2. Secure Communications with OpenVPN on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) ( - 3. Secure Communications with OpenVPN on Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) (
19:44<goose>I use SSH tunneling for IRC, but like, if I wanted to automagically do IRC, HTTP, IMAP, *, and not have to connect to localhost tunneling.. :p
19:44<@Perihelion>Si, the VPN
19:44<mwalling>goose: whats your router?
19:44<goose>another reason I'm going to marry Perihelion
19:44<goose>mwalling: DD-WRT
19:45<goose>but I only want it on *my* computer
19:45<goose>not my room mate's
19:45<mwalling>oh, yeah, then justa simple open vpn
19:45<mwalling>push default route
19:46<G>Peng: the local PayTV company has been advertising that one of their services is coming in the next few weeks for about 2-3+months
19:46<Peng>G: Well they never said it was Earth weeks, right?
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19:47<sirpengi>G: I don't find that as annoying as "Grand Opening" signs on stores that have already been opened for a while
19:47<G>Peng: good point
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19:47<G>sirpengi: oh yeah, or like the Bacon that was in NZ supermarkets for 2-3 years w/ a "New" label on it
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19:47<ejp>sirpengi: local furniture store has had a grand open banner up for around 1.5 years/
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19:47<Peng>That's one grand opening
19:48<G>Peng: it does say "Grand Opening"
19:48<G>they might have an opening ceremony every day
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19:49<G>Perihelion: btw, an LA Datacentre imo would be better than Fremont for Asia/Pacific customers, just saying :)
19:49<dKingston>Yaakov: hi
19:49<G>my latency to LA is about 30ms less than Fremont
19:49<dKingston>Yaakov: did you make this?
19:50<Yaakov>Absolutely, not. But don't feel bad, even the Irssi development team assumed it was me.
19:50<Yaakov>I would never use something so horrific.
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19:50<G>you call that Horrific? I call it a work of art...
19:50<G>... that belongs in a dumpster
19:50<Keith>I wonder if lighttpd on Debian/Ubuntu systems has a different user from www-data? I'm trying to se if I can still use my existing public_html directory structure, and have done everything in the Linode library guide, but can't get to any of the pages.
19:51<dKingston>Yaakov: :(
19:51<Peng>Hmm, Skynet says LA and Fremont are 2.35 light-in-fiber-ms apart.
19:51<dKingston>it's the font i'm after
19:51<Peng>Keith: It uses www-data
19:51<G>Peng: are you in Asia/Pacific? :P
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19:52<Daevien>amitz: is this your text?
19:53<A-KO>So someone here might know, I'm looking at trying to do some detailed traffic/network analysis and wondering if anyone had any good resources on being able to pick out problems with network data streams, what to look for with say, TCP, that would indicate of a layer 3 or lower problem....latency, etc....
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19:53<A-KO>nothing specific to my linode
19:54<Peng>G: Nope
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19:55<dork>do you guys provide free shells ?
19:55<dork>thank you
19:55<dork>have a nice chat
19:55<mwalling>for $20/mo
19:55<mwalling>you can have all the free shells you want
19:55<dork>thats NOT much
19:55<dork>but i dont have paypall
19:56<bob2>good news!
19:56<bob2>neither does linode
19:56<mwalling>!f what forms of payment do you accept
19:56<linbot>mwalling: What forms of payment do you accept? We accept Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and Discover. We have month-to-month, 12-month, and 24-month terms available. Paypal transfers are not supported but Paypal debit/credit cards should work.
19:56<bob2>visa or mc only
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19:56<bob2>oh and the made up american cards
19:56<Peng>Ooh, I just got a visit from IPv6 Googlebot! \o/ ...I dunno how it even found one of my IPv6-only subdomains.
19:56<G>dork: you can however claim 1 free taco shell....
19:56<Peng>I guess Googlebot only whips out the v6 for v6-only sites?
19:56<dKingston>somebody gotta find me a good irssi theme
19:56<ejp>wait, there are free tacos?
19:56<dKingston>can't seem to find a good one
19:56<mwalling>dork: my whois info hasnt changed since the first time you did that
19:57<dork>i know :)
19:57<dork>sorry for that
19:57<bob2>electricelf's theme was great
19:57<bob2>but i lost it
19:57<A-KO>mwalling: he wants to DDOS you!
19:57<Peng>mwalling: <3
19:57<dork>lol A-KO
19:57<mwalling>Peng: /akill peng
19:57<ejp>is something horribly broken in the default theme?
19:57<dork>have a nice chat guys
19:57<dork>sorry for the disturbing.
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19:57<G>Peng: 137ms to LAX, 168ms to Fremont/Linode
19:58<BarkerJr>is rescue mode really finnix?
19:58<mwalling>dKingston: i run a modified redhead
19:58<dKingston>redhead huh
19:58<@Perihelion>I made one
19:58<hobot>so no free tacos
19:59<dKingston>wtf @ that guys font size
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19:59<hobot>I am gonna try it oiut
19:59<G>Peng: ping6'ing my Dallas node = quicker than ping -4'ing my Fremont node... :P
19:59<mwalling>dKingston: it has trouble if you have windwos joined together and get hilighted, but other then that, works fine with
20:00<dKingston>not bad not bad
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20:00<mwalling>also, [12-02] 20:00:07 timestamp_format = [%m-%d] %H:%M:%S
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20:03<Keith>Hmm. PHP5 is installed, and php5-cgi is also isntalled, but none of my index.php files show up.
20:03<sirpengi>restart web server?
20:04<Keith>In fact, if anyone trys to go to my website now where it used to show up just fine with Apache2, nothing pops up anywhere. IE just tels me that "it can't display the page."
20:04<Keith>Tried that.
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20:04<ejp>does php5-cgi run?
20:05<ejp>from, say, the cli?
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20:05<dark>cali just drop?
20:05<dark>ok my host went offline :(
20:05<dark>well ill find out soon i guess
20:05<hobot>I really like redhead
20:05<sirpengi>dark: you mean fremont?
20:06<dark>sirpengi: yeah
20:06<hobot>thanks dave waxman
20:06<megatron27><3 freemont
20:06<dKingston>mwalling: pretty cool theme
20:06<Keith>If I run php5-cgi from a ssh session and press enter after typing that, my terminal window appears to be blank-my screen reader doesn't inidcate any feedback.
20:06<dark>sirpengi: why?
20:06<sirpengi>dark: so long as I'm still in IRC fremont isn't offline
20:06<dark>sirpengi: fair enough
20:06<dark>my node had really poor io performance and now it is gone ^ ^
20:07<ejp>sirpengi: ditto
20:07<sirpengi>not responding, or actually shut down?
20:07<dark>sirpengi: going to find out now
20:07<Keith>Just had to use control-C to get out of the blank screen. So what does that mean theN/
20:07<sirpengi>I suspect a OOM
20:07<dark>sirpengi: nope
20:07<dark>wouldn't be....
20:08<bob2>apache doesn't use php5-cgi unless you do lots of configuration
20:08<Keith>Not using Apache2 at this point ;)
20:08<ejp>Keith: means php works.
20:08<bob2>and running php5-cgi from the command line isn't very useful unless you give it a script to run and pipe it data
20:08<bob2>if you're using lighttpd or nginx, you need to configure them to use php via fastcgi
20:08<BarkerJr>fremont is just really slow
20:08<ejp>bob2: it's a good test to see that php itself isn't broken.
20:08<dark>sirpengi: lirsh isn't sure it is still connecting
20:08<dark>lirsh can't connect
20:08<dark>betting linode dropped my node
20:09<bob2>ejp: guess so, but you'd be in trouble if your php packages were that broken ;)
20:09<ejp>never run anything out. :)
20:09<sirpengi>Keith: are you certain lighttpd is up and listening on the right ports?
20:11<Keith>As far as light running, I am. Let me check the port deal:
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20:13<Keith>I'm sure it's up and listening, but still nothing when I try to go to any of my website pages under the public_html directorys. Iv'e already setup the phpcgi stuff under the fastcgi module, wich is enabled.
20:14<sirpengi>Keith: what's the domain/ip? if you don't mind
20:15<Keith> is the domain.
20:15<Keith>the domain works fine for ssh and such.
20:15<Keith>But as far as lighttpd is concerned..
20:16<dark>mmm ill file a support ticket i guess
20:16<Fieldy_>is it listening? netstat -anp | grep :80 (assuming port 80)
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20:16<dark>OH i have a ticket
20:17<sirpengi>Keith: I don't think lighttpd is listening
20:17<sirpengi>port 80 isn't responding on (
20:17<Keith>What the..
20:17<Fieldy_>well if it is we'll move on to tcpdump from his side
20:17<Fieldy_>things may be getting trashed by firewalling/routing
20:18<sirpengi>well, if things worked before with apache, I doubt it's a firewall
20:18<Keith>The command netstat -anp | grep :80 brought back my shoutcast server listening on ports 8000 and 8001, nothing at all on port 80, even though lighttpd is et to bind to port 80 automatically.
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20:18<sirpengi>yeah, port 8000 and 8001 are open for me over here
20:18<Keith>And no, Lighttpd wasn't set to bind to local host only or anything like that.
20:18<Fieldy_>so it's not listening, is it running? ps auwx | grep lighttpd
20:19<Keith>The output of that since I'm logged into my Linode from the Lish console as root envestigating the server related issues shows: root 14932 0.0 0.1 3332 816 hvc0 S+ 20:19 0:00 grep --color=auto lighttpd
20:20<Keith>And that was it
20:20<sirpengi>lighttpd is slacking
20:20<Fieldy_> yeah it's not running
20:20<sirpengi>get it to work
20:20<Keith>And no, port 80 isn't an issue from the firewall end of things- as I properly configured that ages ago.
20:20<Fieldy_>you may have forgotten to start it, or if you tried, it errored out and quit
20:20<Keith>Let me try
20:21<Fieldy_>try to start it and tail -f /var/log/lighttpd/error.log before hand (and during)
20:21<Fieldy_>or heck tail -f /var/log/lighttpd/*
20:21<sirpengi>tail will watch multiple files?
20:21<dKingston>what mail server do you guys use?
20:22<dark>dKingston: postfix
20:22<mwalling>google and postfix
20:22<dark>use postfix it is good ^ ^
20:22<hobot>linode men, mtr question and in general question, I know UDP doesnt guarantee getting there, but I am getting 90% packet loss to my router, is that expected with a 100+ computer network?
20:22<dKingston>i'm thinking postfix+dovecot
20:22<dark>hobot: erh?
20:22<dark>hobot: what setup are you running etc.
20:22*Keith sighs.
20:22<hobot>well i was playing with mtr and trying out UDP instead of ICMP
20:22<mwalling>dKingston: google handles spam
20:22<dark>the answer is "no" but it depends.
20:22<hobot>im at work honestly im just surprised
20:23<hobot>yeah I am going to do more research
20:23<Keith>There was an error or two despite the stupid "starting lighttpd okay and syntax okay messages."
20:23*Keith growls.
20:23<mwalling>dKingston: spam is a hard problem, unless you're someone like SelfishMan
20:23<Fieldy_>ah, crappy / wrong init scripts. lame.
20:23*dark growls
20:23<SelfishMan>mwalling: wtf is that supposed to mean?!?
20:23<dKingston>mwalling: i can use spamassassin maybe
20:23<mwalling>SelfishMan: that was a complement
20:24<Fieldy_>i use postfix + spamd (sa) + clamav, works great. only a few a day get through
20:24<SelfishMan>spam is a bitch
20:24<_Ray_>So, regarding basic setup. I've disabled root ssh login and cleartext passwords (i.e. only publickey), created my own user account, added it to group sudo, added my public key to the the account's authorized_keys. This works. Anything else that should be done as soon as one starts? :)
20:25<mwalling>they're not cleartext.
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20:25<mwalling>telnetd is cleartext
20:25<tjfontaine>ASCII yo
20:25<_Ray_>Yes, you're right, I meant typed :) I think ssh calls it "manual"?
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20:25<Fieldy_>_Ray_: change the port sshd listens on (if you care, warning: starts lame debates), set up port knocking or similar, or maybe default deny and use a whitelist
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20:26<Luizg_>you mean password auth
20:26<Fieldy_>the disable cleartext thingy in sshd_config is not named well, it doesn't control what you might think (man sshd_config)
20:26<Keith>I use a special paste tool that works with the screen reader I'm using on my shell, but you can see the error.log file here:
20:26<_Ray_>Right, I had that string ("cleartext") in my brain's buffer because I had just edited that file :) I know what it disables.
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20:27<Keith>And apparenlty, if it helps you folks, the web server is quitting without me knowing about it.
20:27<_Ray_>Thanks for the tips :)
20:27<Keith>Meaning that contrary to what it says about booting up, it isn't.
20:28<Fieldy_>rrdtool.binary has to be set does not look good, i have no idea what that is
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20:29<mwalling>disable the rrd module
20:31<Keith>What's the rrd module about anyways?
20:31<A-KO> rofl
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20:32<sirpengi>Keith: sounds like for logging
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20:35<mikegrb>mmm bacon
20:35<ariel>wtf is with you and bacon?
20:36<sirpengi>it's delicious
20:36<mwalling>and it comes in so many different forms
20:37<mwalling>and can be used for so many different things
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20:42<Dreamer3_>does linode allow hosting of wikileaks materials?
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20:43<mwalling>!f what can i do with my linode
20:43<linbot>mwalling: What can I do with my Linode? It's probably easier to tell you what you cannot do: Nothing illegal and nothing that interferes with other customers and services. Our Terms of Service document is located here:
20:43<spkitty>so thats a yes
20:43<Dreamer3>well, most hosts take stuff town when leiberman comes calling
20:43<Dreamer3>even though no one has ever declared it illegal
20:44<megatron27>Leiberman is that powerful?
20:44<spkitty>pretty sure mwalling answered your question
20:44<mwalling>spkitty: lies
20:44<mwalling>spkitty: i told linbot to quote the faq
20:44<spkitty>an answer in its own way
20:45<hobot>he did it to amazon by request
20:45<hobot>doesnt amazon do a lot of business in his district or w/e
20:46<mwalling>{citation needed}
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20:48<mwalling>^^ liberman got them
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20:57<NotInternat>hi guys, i have a non-linode specific quesiton that people here might have a clue about.. I have a debian system running debian4.0, that i watn to rebuild to 5.0. I currently have full root access, but no console access. We want a fresh install because we think it might have been compromised.. anyone know of a way to rebuild a server remotely like that? or am i going to have to get the datacentre involved.
20:58<sirpengi>how do you have root access but no console access?
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20:58<MarkJ>I think as in can login but not with local keyboard/mouse
20:58<@caker>NotInternat: good luck with that. Even in the best attempts at (re)building a bootable system, you're unlikely to get it right the first time :(
20:58<NotInternat>caker: thats what i was afraid of.
20:58<NotInternat>*sigh* guess im going to have to trust idiots.
20:59<@caker>NotInternat: best solution: move it to a Linode :)
20:59<MarkJ>well said
20:59<kainz_>NotInternat: i've accomplished this befor ewith remastered grml cds with preconfigured autostarting dhcp + openVPN
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21:01<NotInternat>i want to. but sadly its in an AU datacentre..
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21:01<kainz_>is it the only machine on the lan?
21:01<kainz_>you could setup PXE boot unless thats disabled
21:02<NotInternat>its in a datacentre.. only thing i have access to is the server via ssh. if i want anything else dont i have to get the datacentre to do it.. which is what i was trying to avoid
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21:03<A-KO>NotInternat: If you fully owned the box, you could have put a drac or ilo board in it (depending on vendor)
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21:03<A-KO>and would have been set
21:03<A-KO>that's a risk you take w/o those things though :P
21:04<NotInternat>i could have done lots of things if i was involved from the start :P
21:05<A-KO>true :P
21:05<A-KO>tell your boss to ship you out to the datacenter? :P
21:05<A-KO>to do the work?
21:05<NotInternat>lol yeah
21:05<A-KO>they'll reconsider not buying remote hardware after that ;)
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21:09<blognewb>I'm not a miracle worker. im just a fucking janitor.
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21:16<hobot>mwalling: I just got to say ive used that irssi theme the last 4 hours and I really like it
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21:17*mwalling bows
21:17*tjfontaine takes advantage
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21:19<mwalling>so, i have a need for <50 prox card ID badges a year... is there a mail order place out there, or do i need to find a printer?
21:19<jdavis>hey guys, can anyone give me a lesson in setting up the DNS entry for DKIM via linode manager?
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21:38<davids>hey guys - anyone up
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21:38<sirpengi>yeah, sorry. no one here
21:39<davids>im new to the linode game and was hoping for some quick help
21:39<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
21:39<davids>sounds good
21:39<nuclear->can i ask if i can ask a question? because..that's not specifically disallowed
21:40<sirpengi>nuclear-: "Don't ask to ask"
21:40<davids>so anyway, ive gone ahead and set my self up on my linode, and am able to access my domain from my browser. i followed the following instructions:
21:40<blognewb> The smaller the mess the easier it is for me to clean up.
21:40<davids>the only issue im having right now is that im not able to load /phpmyadmin - it reports a 404 not found error, even though its properly installed
21:40<nuclear->reading fail
21:41<mwalling>davids: well, if it was properly installed, you wouldnt have that error
21:41<davids>yes i agree
21:41<davids>but here i am, having followed the instructions, and i cant get phpmyadmin working
21:42<davids>i called the folks at linode and they werent sure what was going on either. they suggested i ask in here.
21:42<sirpengi>which guide did you follow?
21:42<linbot>amitz: Yo momma's so old she's almost as old as pparadis! (795:9/3) [mromu]
21:42<mwalling>there are no instructions on that page to install phpmyadmin
21:42<sirpengi>that's just a page with links to 5 guides
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21:43<davids>oops sorry
21:44<sirpengi>does that enable phpmyadmin, the instuctions only installs the package with apt-get
21:45<mwalling>check /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/
21:47<sirpengi>I'm pretty certain you need to modify some config file (tell it where your mysql server is, username/pass etc),and probably point to it in an apache config
21:47<sirpengi>I doubt apt-get does all that
21:47<sirpengi>of course, the docs mwalling pointed you will probably describe what you need to do
21:48<mwalling>probably something ending in Debian.gz will explain "run this funky one liner, and your first born will belong to mark shuttleworth"
21:48<tjfontaine>sorry to whomever is reading the api logs, I'll stop trying for tonight
21:49*jed saves draft of incident report 492-X
21:49*Perihelion punishes tjfontaine
21:49<tjfontaine>let me know when the issue is resolved though :)
21:49<SelfishMan>Perihelion: careful, he enjoys that
21:49<@Perihelion>SelfishMan: So do I.
21:49*jed fills in Perpetrator column quietly
21:49<tjfontaine>or at least tell me how I consistently break it
21:50<@jed>tjfontaine: 500s?
21:51<tjfontaine>200 but
21:51<tjfontaine>lemme paste bin
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21:52<sirpengi>careful or you'll get run over by a train
21:52<tjfontaine>ah I think I know what it is
21:52<@jed>tjfontaine: I'll ask chris to look into it. any particular dance to aggravate it?
21:52<@jed>the HTML shouldn't happen, pretty sure he had a special-case for the error code in the old manager
21:52<tjfontaine>send batch with an empty array, literal '[]'
21:53<tjfontaine>key sanitized
21:53<mwalling>sirpengi: minecarts
21:53<tjfontaine>not that my code should be letting that happen, but the api shouldn't barf either
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21:54<@jed>tjfontaine: confirmed
21:54<@jed>thanks <3
21:54<tjfontaine>no problemo <3
21:54<davids>cant figure it out. does anyone know is there is a command i need to run after installing phpmyadmin? none of the docs mention it.
21:55<sirpengi>go crazy
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21:56<davids>even in that guide
21:56<davids>the first step after installing is going to the
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21:57<sirpengi>you sure you're on 10.04?
21:57<sirpengi>otherwise, check the configuration files that they point to
21:57<davids>My Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Profile (Latest 2.6 Paravirt (
21:57<mwalling>davids: when PMA installed, did it say anything to the console?
21:57<sirpengi>the apache one definately
21:57<davids>mwalling: nothing of note
21:59<davids>sirpengi: which files?
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22:07<dcraig>was apache reloaded during the installation?
22:07<dcraig>if you're not sure, do sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
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22:09<dcraig>make sure the /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf file was created
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22:14<Luizg_>is fremont being laggy for anyone else?
22:15<SelfishMan>Luizg_: if by 'laggy' you mean awesomely fast then yes
22:15<Luizg_>I meant network wise
22:15<dcraig>seems ok to me
22:15<G>Luizg_: very occasionally
22:15<Luizg_>bus it looks like orcon is doing something screwy with the route to it
22:15<dcraig>what's an orcon?
22:15<Luizg_>NZ ISP
22:16<dcraig>oh ok
22:16<SelfishMan>Luizg_: My connections to NZ are laggy and not in the awesomely fast sort of way
22:16*Luizg_ tries via v6, which seems to be fine.
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22:17<ajmitch_>Luizg_: it could just be orcon sucking like it often has been
22:17<ajmitch_>nz->fremont is fine for me
22:17<Luizg_>ajmitch_: from which ISP? Im on compass here at work..
22:18<SelfishMan>hmm...isn't that a trigger?
22:18<ajmitch_>Luizg_: WIC, in dunedin
22:18<linbot>SelfishMan: timed out
22:18<SelfishMan>yeah, orcon is having issues
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22:18<Luizg_>are they announcing routes to things they shouldn't be?
22:19<@jed>SelfishMan: it's !down
22:20<Nivex>!down urmom
22:20<linbot>Nivex: Huh?
22:20<linbot>Nivex: It's just you.
22:21<linbot>SelfishMan: timed out
22:21<@jed>According to French vulnerability research company VUPEN Security, the backdoor can be activated by sending a command called “HELP ACIDBITCHEZ” to the FTP server and authentication is not necessary.
22:21<Nivex>!help pingtest
22:21<linbot>Nivex: (pingtest <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web title$nick&q=$*".
22:21<ajmitch_>SelfishMan: given that doesn't even resolve from linode in fremont, it's screwy
22:21*jed snorts
22:21<SelfishMan>I'm actually running into a bunch of routing issues through level3 too but pretty sure that is because L3 hasn't depeered with anyone in a whole month
22:21<Nivex>that's a timeout talking to
22:22<Nivex>if I had to guess
22:22<SelfishMan>Nivex: that's because the script is taking too long to respond
22:22<linbot>SelfishMan: responded to ping in 0.62 ms
22:22<Nivex>ah so
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22:23<G>Luizg_: Orcon is down again
22:23<G>Luizg_: their LA Route is playing up obviously
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22:24<Keith>Okay. The good news, I got Lighttpd working, but now the problem is that it's indexing my /srv/www directory wich is where all my websites reside. So I'm not sure what to do about that issue.
22:24<ajmitch_>someone probably spilled beer on the router
22:24<Luizg_>G: just odd that my packets destined for my linode disappear into their network somewhere, when they obviously shoudn't be
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22:25<G>Luizg_: it happened the other day when their LA link went down
22:25<Keith>I've taken the server down until I can figure out what's up. Don't much like the idea of my website directory being indexed..
22:25<nick125>Keith: How do you have lighttpd setup? mod_simple_vhost?
22:25<G>Luizg_: link likely got lost and it created a routing loop in BGP
22:25<Keith>Yeah the simpol thing.
22:25<nick125>Keith: Could you pastebin the relevant portion of your config?
22:26<Keith>Hold on.
22:26<G>Luizg_: I had to resort to my t-stick :P
22:26<ajmitch_>G: expensive 3g connection?
22:27<G>ajmitch_: actually pre-paid t-stick isn't tooooooooooo bad
22:27<Luizg_>G: ouch! bet that cost a bit
22:28<Luizg_>ahh, citylink blew up again by the looks
22:28<G>ajmitch_: and at times it's much faster than anything else
22:28<G>plus it was free which helps
22:28<G>Luizg_: APE?
22:28<G>Luizg_: actually actually...luactually make that uyes
22:28<Luizg_>not sure
22:28<ajmitch_>Luizg_: I hope you don't mean literally blowing up, like a fire in the skytower again
22:28<Keith>Nick125: I use a different paste tool on my Linode shell, but the URL is at:
22:28<G>it's back!
22:28<Luizg_>ajmitch_: hehe
22:29<Keith>The conf only contains one Vhost at the moment.
22:29<G>^^ attempts at trying to type on laggy/down shell
22:29<nick125>Keith: Ah, your document-root statement should just be "/public_html/"
22:29<G>ajmitch_: I don't know, I reckon it'd be kinda exciting
22:29<G>ajmitch_: Firewalks display for all
22:30<Keith>So without that trailing / in the beginning I'm causing it to auto-index everywhere.
22:30<nick125>That would resolve to /srv/www/, etc.
22:30<ajmitch_> just says 'major fault'
22:31<G>ajmitch_: great...
22:31<G>ajmitch_: and fwiw, that cost me about 10cents to use my T-Stick
22:31<Luizg_>hmm, looks like it's fixed
22:31<ajmitch_>G: not bad
22:31<G>< 1MB
22:32<G>ajmitch_: and considering the t-stick was free.... even better :)
22:33<nick125>Keith: Well, you have to understand that mod_simple_vhost just pieces together the server-root, the domain name, and the document-root to find the part to the files..
22:34<nick125>So, when you were trying to go to, it was trying to find /srv/www/, not finding it and resorting to the server.document-root setting
22:34<Keith>I see..
22:35<Keith>I changed the document root line to "/public_html/" but index of / is still resulting if I go to
22:35<Keith>so it's still indexing the entire /srv/www directory under the server document root line.
22:36<Keith>reloaded the lighttpd configuration too.
22:36<nick125>Does the directory /srv/www/ exist?
22:36<zivester>if I have two linode 512's, does server to server traffic count against my quota ?
22:36<nick125>zivester: Depends on if you're using private IPs or not.
22:36<Keith>the directory setup I'm trying to get to work is: /srv/www/ and any other sub-domains I've got.
22:36<nick125>If you're using private IPs between two Linodes in the same datacenter, it doesn't count. If you're using public IPs, it counts.
22:37<Keith>And all doamins live under /srv/www/
22:37<zivester>tx nick125
22:37<nick125>Keith: Change your default-host to then
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22:37<Keith>Hold on
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22:40<Keith>Okay, cool. There's only one virtual host under my /srv/www that doesn't work properly. The problem is I've got to figure out how to get it working..hold on a sec..
22:42<Nivex>how cool would it be if traffic within the same DC automatically didn't count rather than having to use private IPs?
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22:47<nick125>That's pret..that would be pretty ne...that would be pretty cool.
22:52<SelfishMan>Did NASA prove there are aliens on the moon today?
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22:52<Nivex>not on the moon. in a lake in California.
22:52<Nivex>arsenic based life form
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23:03<waltman>By which we can infer that the "moon landings" really took place in a lake in California.
23:03<mikegrb>mmm bacon
23:03<SelfishMan>I fear that bacon has jumped the shark
23:04<mikegrb>mmm bacon
23:04<waltman>bacon's still keeping it real.
23:05<mikegrb>mmm bacon
23:05<SelfishMan>I don't think there is anything left that hasn't been made out of bacon or at least bacon flavored
23:05<tonyyarusso>bacon houses?
23:06<mikegrb>mmm bacon
23:06<waltman>bacon-flavored bacon
23:06<waltman>bacon's the most versitile food on the planet
23:07<waltman>the other day I saw a site selling bacon-scented candles made from real bacon fat
23:09<tonyyarusso>SelfishMan: I stand corrected.
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23:29<Peng>"The program 'date' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install coreutils" <-- Breaking live CDs is fun. :D
23:30<Keith>dpkg -l
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23:34<G>Peng: hahaha
23:34<G>Luizg_: orcon seem to think that it never went down
23:34<G>Luizg_: so I linked them to a traceroute
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23:59<linbot>SelfishMan: Point (0.48976803, 0.78118263) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17478 of 22243 (π ≈ 3.143101200377647 - 0.001508546787854)
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