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---Logopened Fri Jan 28 00:00:08 2011
---Daychanged Fri Jan 28 2011
00:00*encode needs 128 bits please
00:00<@pparadis>please buy two linodes and deploy 64-bit on both :)
00:00<Peng>Use the private network to combine them into 128!
00:01<Keyz>Do you guys to anything beyond the general recommendations in for securing your servers? If you do more, any hints?
00:01<auraka>I deploy two linodes so the first has someone to play with when I'm gone :-/
00:01<auraka>Keyz: do not make your password a for apple...
00:01<encode>can it do at least one 128bit-wide multiply per cycle?
00:01<@pparadis>auraka: hunter2
00:01<iggy2>my linode is shutdown for some reason, how would I go about figuring out why?
00:01<Peng>auraka: Ha, my Linode is happy to play with other customers' Linodes. It doesn't need siblings.
00:02<encode>iggy2: what does the linode manager webpage say?
00:02*auraka asks his linode to point where Peng touched him
00:02<iggy2>Lassie initiated boot Linode already running
00:03<iggy2>but status in the upper right says powered off
00:03<@pparadis>iggy2: what's your username?
00:03<iggy2>and I can't connect to it, so I'm guessing powered off is correct
00:04<@pparadis>iggy2: try issuing "reboot" in lish
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00:04<iggy2>oh noes, the lish
00:04<iggy2>what if I just hit boot int he lpm
00:05<@pparadis>ajax console if you just wanna be lazy
00:05<Tiven>test est
00:05<marcopolous>bob2: was "webscalers" a joke?
00:05<Tiven>good morning everyone :)
00:05<@pparadis>iggy2: it needs to be done from lish in this case
00:05<iggy2>I'm lazy
00:05<Peng>Would lish logview say anything interesting?
00:05<auraka>yay....castle they kissed
00:06<bob2>marcopolous: yes
00:06<@pparadis>iggy2: two clicks
00:06<iggy2>damn you chrome
00:06<Tiven>auraka ?
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00:06<Tiven>i hope to god you didnt just spoil something
00:07<marcopolous>i started to wonder "what the fuck am I looking at" after a google search
00:07<sushi_>Has anyone else faced problems while updating plugins of wordpress on linode?
00:07<Keyz>Do you guys leave Swap Disk set to the default 256MB when you deploy?
00:07<sushi_>Keyz: Yes
00:08<auraka>Tiven: watching castle...they kissed
00:08<Keyz>thanks :)
00:08<Tiven>what kind of problems sushi_ ?
00:08<@pparadis>Keyz: you are strongly advised not to increase the swap size. if you find yourself heavily swapping, you need more real memory, not more swap, or your performance will go in the toilet and you will only drag out OOMing
00:08<iggy2>okay, logged into lish and the linode is up, but the network is fubar
00:08<sushi_>"Failed to connect to FTP Server xx.xx.xx.xx"
00:09<Tiven>are you using SSH or FTP ?
00:09<@pparadis>iggy2: lish is your friend once again :)
00:09<Keyz>pparadis: thanks
00:09<sushi_>Tiven: I am using FTPS in my wordpress dashboard
00:09<iggy2>I've got a lot running onthere... I'd prefer not to reboot if I don'thave to
00:09<sushi_>where it asks for hostname, ftp username, ftp password and connection type
00:09<Peng>iggy2: It's unlikely you have to reboot. Lish in and see what's wrong.
00:09<@pparadis>iggy2: you weren't actually running before.
00:10<Peng>iggy2: In Linux, things are rarely fixed with a reboot.
00:10<iggy2>uptime says 65 days
00:10<auraka>Peng: hah!
00:10<iggy2>so... I think it was running the whole time
00:10<@pparadis>hm, maybe the wire crossings went opposite of what was thinking, but regardless, Peng is right about rebooting probably not being the answer anyhow.
00:10<Peng>Networking is probably broken for a reason, in which case you need to fix it.
00:11<Tiven>sushi_ sudo apt-get install libssh2-1-dev libssh2-php
00:11*marcopolous has hot water after 9 days!
00:11<Tiven>restart your webserver
00:11<Peng>Likely your firewall went nutty, or your networking config is wrong.
00:11<Tiven>and try again ;)
00:11<Tiven>you will see a new option called SSH2 or something instead of just FTP and FTPS
00:11<sushi_>Tiven: Thanks let me try
00:11<auraka>either that or Peng's linode is playing with yours and the heavy petting has gone too far
00:11*iggy2 goes to open his second ticket - first serious one
00:11*marcopolous thinking about inviting robinet over for a hot, steamy shower
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00:12<auraka>how come there is so much man on man action in this channel when there is a woman a linode and get a date with Perihelion
00:12<@pparadis>iggy2: you could try troubleshooting here first, if this is about networking.
00:13<marcopolous>nothing? i was hoping for a mom joke at the very least...
00:13<@pparadis>honestly, this is internal to your linode.
00:13<iggy2>I've tried all my normal steps
00:13<@array>iggy2: see PM
00:13<@pparadis>please pastebin your configs so people here can have a look at them -->
00:13<Tiven>hey i never got a date with Perihelion
00:13<Tiven>and im straight!
00:13<@pparadis>"cat /etc/network/interfaces && ifconfig && route -n && iptables -L"
00:14<@Perihelion>I stay at home coding or gaming rather than dating
00:14<@Perihelion>It works out much better
00:14<auraka>pparadis: did you confirm he is running ubuntu/debian?
00:14<Peng>For some definitions of "Better".
00:14<@pparadis>auraka: would i ask that if i hadn't?
00:14<auraka>ahh...just didn't see it...must have been watching castle
00:14<Tiven>dont spoil more please
00:15<@pparadis>it wasn't in this channel.
00:15<Tiven>or ill become angry :>
00:15<auraka>Tiven: sorry...
00:15<auraka>go hulu it up
00:15<@Perihelion>Peng: well, the only drama is quest related
00:15<Tiven>i dont think hulu provides for Greece :(
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00:16<auraka>Tiven: you have a linode? one in the U.S.? openvpn?
00:16<Tiven>yeah better pings
00:16<Tiven>for me
00:16<@pparadis>brb in a few
00:16<Tiven>i will find it anyway
00:17<auraka>Tiven: well we traded our health care for cheap reality shoes and hulu
00:17<iggy2>it wasn't my fault ahole
00:17<Tiven>well... i wish we could trade our non existant shitty health care for just hulu
00:18<auraka>Tiven: your country kind of needs to balance the budget....or build an army and print money like we do
00:18<@pparadis>iggy2: ?
00:19<iggy2>you heard me <emoticon for squinty eyes/>
00:19<@pparadis>i'm sorry, you're going to have to explain that. people are here to attempt to help.
00:20<auraka>iggy2: have you pastebined that stuff yet so we can actually help you?
00:21<marcopolous>anyone here ever get booted off aol when they were a kid?
00:21<auraka>I'm more than willing to put in the time now that you called pparadis an ahole
00:21<sushi_>Tiven: Hey can you also hint where might be the public key and private key? ASFAIK there's only /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
00:22<iggy2>my lish was dead which probably means the rest of my connections are dead
00:22<@pparadis>no, that is not what that means.
00:23<Tiven>well, why dont you use username/password?
00:23<Tiven>if you didnt setup keys
00:23<iggy2>alright, whatever... what do you want to see... configs is a bit broad
00:23<mbreslin>i guess i'll be the one to ask the obligatory..
00:23<mbreslin>iggy2: Is it running?
00:23<iggy2>65 days uptime
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00:23<@pparadis>00:13 <@pparadis> "cat /etc/network/interfaces && ifconfig && route -n && iptables -L"
00:23<mbreslin>pparadis: it wasn't my fault ahole
00:23<Tiven>hey iggy2
00:23<Tiven>66 days uptime
00:23<sushi_>I did. But it also wants public and private keys. Currently the error is "Public and Private keys incorrect for username" while it was "connection refused" earlier
00:24<auraka>iptables -L --line -nv may be a bit better/faster
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00:24<@pparadis>iggy2: i'm certain the community will be happy to assist you moving forward.
00:24<Tiven>are you using the default port sushi_ ?
00:24<@pparadis>auraka: certainly
00:24<sushi_>Tiven: No. I kept one port open and closed others.
00:25<Tiven>did you change it on hostname ?
00:25<sushi_>Everything is fine
00:25<Tiven>thats weird. on mine it asks for pub and private key but i dont enter them
00:25<sushi_>I just can't find what to put in the "public key" and "private key" fiels after installing the thingy you told me about
00:26<Tiven>just enter localhost:port, username, password, select SSH2, and it connects
00:26<sushi_>Tiven: Ohh thanks. Yeah I was unnecessarily putting private nad public keys. It's not needed. Thank once again man.
00:31<iggy2>anything else you need to see?
00:31<auraka>iggy2: I'm assuming you can't ping your gateway or other firewalls?
00:32<@caker>iggy2: once your node is seen as offline, regardless of us syncing its status, you need to reboot
00:32<iggy2>except local to the vps IPs
00:32<iggy2>what did I say
00:32<auraka>you said it champ
00:32<iggy2>I hate you just so you know
00:33<iggy2>but I still love you :)
00:33<auraka>fair enough :)
00:33<auraka>Peng: pay up
00:33<iggy2>not you specifically... more of a general #linode thing
00:33<auraka>thats all right...everyone here hates it to....but it is the first hit free that got us here
00:34<iggy2>wait a reboot inside the VM or from lish?
00:34<auraka>reboot and go on your way of loving life and torturing small animals
00:34<auraka>damn you elusive comma
00:35<@pparadis>iggy2: ctrl+a d --> reboot [enter] in lish
00:35<auraka>iggy2: just do it from the control panel...hard reboot it
00:35<auraka>or that
00:35<iggy2>I did a reboot inside the VM
00:35<@pparadis>for the record, i asked for your configs earlier because i had already asked you to issue that reboot, and thought you had.
00:36<@caker>reboot 3x
00:36<auraka>ya....that whole 'reboot' or 'shutdown -r now' string always just seems to accidently happen
00:36<iggy2>I had like 6 people telling me different things
00:36<auraka>caker: loved that video
00:36<iggy2>it's working now!
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00:36<iggy2>so thanks to everyone that was useful
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00:38<auraka>iggy2: any time you have trouble make sure you hit up pparadis directly...he is the smart one...listen and learn
00:39<iggy2>yeah... I wasn't actually counting him the useful people category... sorry
00:40<auraka>iggy2: too easy....thank you
00:41<auraka>dance my puppet
00:42<auraka>and you should be a bit more grateful with people trying to help you just can make way more friends by being friendly
00:43<auraka>that and your linode doesn't magically get disconnected
00:43<iggy2>I would have just made mike fix it, but he wasn't answering my calls
00:44<auraka>I wouldn't either if you talk to him like how you talked to the people in here
00:44*thorrr grabs digital popcorn
00:44*auraka shrugs
00:44*iggy2 lets it slide
00:45<magicalfruit>I wouldn't either if you behaved like that.
00:45<auraka>but harm no foul....everything is running, we are all happy and we learned something new
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00:45<auraka>iggy2: have you thought about putting an ident server on your linode for when you irc from it?
00:46<thorrr>auraka: how does that benefit you/is that necessary?
00:46<iggy2>I was fine until insinuations were made about my ability to admin things
00:47<auraka>thorrr: not just really identifies what user account is ircing from your box...or what you are spoofing..or whatever....but it gets rid of the ~ in front of your ident....OCD
00:47<iggy2>anyways, got records to mix, thanks for the help everybody
00:48<auraka>you are very welcome, good luck
00:48<marcopolous>iggy2: and then what happened?
00:48<magicalfruit>marcopolous: He became a turd, obviously.
00:48<thorrr>auraka: ah okay got it thanks
00:48<@array>take care, iggy2! :)
00:49<auraka>food or toad....i'm waiting
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00:49<magicalfruit>Maybe a bit of both.
00:49<marcopolous>ah, the great 12th album by norweigian Darkthrone
00:49<marcopolous>a classic!
00:49<magicalfruit>Toad licking may explain his behavior.
00:50<Tiven>im obviously doing something wrong right
00:50<auraka>Tiven: hanging around me?
00:50<@Perihelion>You need to lick more toads
00:50<Tiven>im stress testing my new apache setup and my wordpress takes like.. 10-20 seconds to load a page with 10 clients
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00:51<@Perihelion>Do you have supercache and all of that goodness?
00:51<SleePy>Gahh.. Computers.. Things just randomly decide to stop working :(
00:51<Tiven>maybe i should just go to nginx like most said ^_^
00:51<auraka>I have a 384 machine VPS and it takes 50-70 with very little load....heavy caching
00:51<Tiven>and give up the optimization
00:51<Tiven>yeah i have cache and all that p ericoc
00:51<@Perihelion>Fail :<
00:52<auraka>you don't need to....again...I have a 384 VPS that does quite a few problems
00:52<auraka>you just aren't caching properly in some way most likely
00:52<@pparadis>Tiven: you have this specific thing? -->
00:52<auraka>and haven't optimized your apache instance
00:52<Tiven>no pparadis
00:52<auraka>thats the good stuff
00:52<Tiven>i have W3 Total Cache
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00:52<@pparadis>it's full of win
00:53<auraka>I didn't do well with W3 total cache
00:53<@pparadis>i've heard good things about totalcache too
00:53<auraka>but thats me
00:53<@pparadis>but yeah, ymmv
00:53<Tiven>thanks gonna install it now standby
00:53<@Perihelion>I've had awesome luck with Drupal's caching stuff
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00:53<auraka>Perihelion: you're the one...
00:53<@pparadis>Tiven: but auraka's point about other things to look at as far as optimization goes certainly stands, too.
00:53<Tiven>yeah of course
00:54<Tiven>its just not normal without cache to be THAT slow
00:54<auraka>Tiven: also look at making sure your mysql is optimized...apache....maybe even phpaccelerator if you need it
00:54<Tiven>well, with lighttpd it was blazing fast.. not wordpress but another joomla site
00:54<Tiven>heavier i can say
00:54<auraka>Tiven: you borked something most have some wordpress plugin thats slowing you down to hell
00:54<Tiven>and with just xcache
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00:59<auraka>well you can go to nginx....but it may not solve you you get to solve a mystery
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00:59<auraka>like who didn't flush last in the linode office
00:59<auraka>what are you using to load test anyway
00:59<Tiven>load impact
01:00<auraka>good man
01:00<Tiven>and im gonna siege when im satisfied on the results with that i guess
01:00<Tiven>is it ok?
01:00<auraka> for me
01:00<auraka>free is always good
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01:03<Tiven>aint that smart
01:03<Tiven>i just opened my fcgid.conf
01:03<Tiven>and its like, 3-4 lines
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01:04<auraka>why are you using it?
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01:06<Tiven>and use what instead?
01:06<Tiven>mod php?
01:06<Tiven>isnt that thing like 150 times heavier?
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01:07<auraka>Tiven: sometimes we complicate things and make things worse in the need for speed
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01:09<auraka>simplicity sometimes is the best option....then, conquer the need for speed once you have things running properly....and a good snapshot
01:09<thorrr>now i have to remember how i configured named to work with my backupdns
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01:15<sushi>Which is a prefered way? Django with mod_wsgi or mod_python?
01:17<Tiven>Average Throughput per User (Actual) 0.04 URLs/sec
01:22<bob2>sushi: mod_python is abandoned
01:22<bob2>so not that
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01:26<sushi>bob2: Thanks. Will go with mod_wsgi.
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01:40<Peng>jtsage: FYI, (2001:470:1f0f:114::/64, used by specifies and ns{1,2} as its authoritative name servers, and does not resolve.
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01:41<hobot>welp pharaun I didnt get the job
01:42<thorrr>i got my job :D start monday
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01:46<azaghal>In Soviet Russia, job takes you!
01:47<Tiven>1 day uptime
01:47<Tiven>thats what happens when you fuck up with siege and run out of memory ^^
01:47<Tiven>linode become responsive like, 10 seconds after i issued a restart job on the linode manager
01:48<Tiven>well to the bright side
01:48<Tiven>new kernel
01:48<Peng>Well, 10 seconds is nice.
01:49<Peng>How you got put in that situation less so.
01:49<Tiven>i gave it like 2 minutes
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01:49<Tiven>and it just wanted 10 more :@
01:50<mdcollins>Is it possible to do a wildcard vhost in lighttpd?
01:51<mdcollins>Google has failed me..
01:51<rajh>what the hell is going on in egypt?
01:51<Peng>mdcollins: Sure. You can use a regexp to match against $HTTP["host"]
01:51<Peng>rajh: Not much, over the Internet anyway!
01:51<Peng>mdcollins: If you're using the simple vhost module or something...I dunno
01:51<mdcollins>Ah, yeah I'm using simple vhost module..
01:52<Peng>Well, you could probably stuff another vhost in lighttpd.conf, though that would be ugly.
01:52<Peng>mdcollins: #lighttpd on Freenode is generally useful, if not very busy.
01:52<mdcollins>ooh, i'm already on freenode. :D
01:53<mdcollins>Too bad /joing isn't a command..
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01:59<mdcollins>ooh.. evhost may solve my issue..
01:59<groulder>anyone here got a dell laptop with a hspa mini pcie card using at&t 3g?
02:00<Kenny>I got an apple latptop, without hsdpa pcie and Telenor is my carrier...
02:01<groulder>so 0/3
02:01<groulder>well done
02:01<Kenny>I did my best :)
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02:24<vadimus>can you help me? im a noob))
02:24<Tiven>whats up bru
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02:26<vadimus>i have my website on hosting with cpanel
02:26<vadimus>is it possible to transfer to linode cp?
02:27<@pparadis>you're welcome to install cpanel on a linode, but we're an unmanaged provider, and you'd have to obtain a license yourself if you wished to continue using that product.
02:28<@pparadis>we provide a minimal install of the distribution of your choice, and you get root access so you can install anything you like.
02:28<Marius>So facebook offices has a sign that says "move fast and break things"
02:28<@pparadis>if you're a beginner, you may find the linode library extremely helpful -->
02:28<Marius>they also have one that says "done is better than perfect"
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02:28<Kenny>Marius: If it's done, it IS perfect! ;)
02:29<vadimus>ok understood, thanks a lot
02:29<@pparadis>in particular, these guides should be very helpful:
02:29<Marius>This amuses me greatly :P
02:29<Peng>urmom amuses me greatly
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02:30<Ovron>there's nothing amusing about urmom
02:30<linbot>Kenny: Yo momma's so charitable she donates her facial hair to charity! (831:6/1) [ommur]
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02:31<@pparadis>!urmom vote up 831
02:31<linbot>pparadis: Voted up 831 [mormu]
02:32<@pparadis>rajh: <-- can haz auth
02:32<rajh>unless you pay me... one MILLION dollars
02:33<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:33<Ovron>it wasn't 'cake', can't be cool
02:33<@pparadis>nearlyfreespeech... you bum you :)
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02:33<Peng> can haz authoritative DNS servers in more than one location? :D
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02:34<Kenny>Dr. Evil, 1 million dollars isn't that much anymore...
02:34<Peng>NFSN does have one off-site DNS server -- at Slicehost :D -- but that zone isn't using it.
02:34<@pparadis>probably for the best
02:35<rajh>i use nfs for my processing, and linode for my heavy lifting (bandwidth)
02:35<rajh>will prob move over to linode fully soon
02:35<@pparadis>the power of cloud compels you.
02:35<Peng>rajh: You should still be able to fix the DNS. Probably.
02:35<rajh>the financial situation was iffy for a while, so i stayed w/ NFS for my code repo.
02:35<rajh>what's wrong with my DNS?
02:36<@pparadis>rajh: sure, makes sense.
02:36<Kenny>pparadis: I would like a dedicated of your servers too :D
02:36<Peng>rajh: has two DNS servers, in the same location. That's not very good.
02:36<Tiven>Transactions: 117
02:36<Tiven>and succesful transactions: 131
02:36<Tiven>how is this possible haha
02:36<@pparadis>Kenny: sure man, no problem! i'll set you up with this P4 i've got in the closet on my business-class home connection.
02:36<Kenny>pparadis: "Your", being Linode, LLC >.>
02:36<Ovron>does it have the evil bit?
02:37<Kenny>It's just as possible as my Linode that yesterday said it had -64GB free :D
02:37<rajh>Peng, where are you seeing this? i'm not.
02:37<Peng>!dnsy ns
02:37<Peng>!dns6 ns
02:38<@pparadis>Kenny: oooohhhhhhh, you didn't specify that. sure man, no problem! you can use the "resize" tab in the linode manager to upgrade to a 20GB linode any time you want... but "dedicated" is such an old and busted term... it's all about the cloud now, baby, hardware doesn't exist anymore, and you won't know who you're sharing with on our uberhosts.
02:38<rajh>what's wrong with that again? Peng
02:38<Peng>rajh: Like I said, they're both in the same place. That's bad. If that one place has a network outage or explodes or something, your domain won't resolve.
02:38<Kenny>pparadis: I said "Want", not "Pay for". Can I haz free 20GB linode coupon code? :D
02:38*pparadis busts out the classic JP line "hold onto your butts"
02:39<rajh>oh well yeah
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02:39<Peng>rajh: That domain lacks MX records, and you're moving away anyway, so it's not really a big problem, but it still sucks.
02:39<rajh>but i know my servers IP
02:39<rajh>and i don't do mail on that domain
02:39<@pparadis>Kenny: sure man, no problem! i'm just gonna need you to transfer a certain amount of money to my paypal account, and screw a coupon code, i'll then proceed to set up your linode at no additional charge whatsoever!
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02:39<Ovron>anyone that has any recommendation for a xen-related book, preferably not a complete introductory such, or at least one that contains both that and goes more in-depth? There seems to be a few out there, not sure which is worthwhile ;o
02:39<Tiven>saved it
02:40<@pparadis>Ovron: is this for your own experimentation?
02:40<Ovron>pparadis: it is indeed
02:40<@pparadis>Ovron: use KVM.
02:40*pparadis runs
02:40<dcraig>those KVM switches can be tricky
02:40<Kenny>pparadis: I wonder, have anyone EVER used a 20GB linode?
02:40*Ovron connects his KVM device to pparadis
02:40<@pparadis>Kenny: lots of people, actually.
02:41<@pparadis>there are some ridiculous linode customers around.
02:41<Kenny>pparadis: Oh. Do you get special service if you purchase a 20GB Linode? :P
02:41<Kenny>(10Gbit upload, WOOHOOO!)
02:41<dcraig>why do you think there's only 1 still available? :p
02:41<Kenny>I thought you only *had* one :P
02:41<Kenny>Because no one wanted such a massive server...
02:41<@pparadis>Kenny: sure man, no problem! i'll be happy to come ove to your house and provide special services all evening long... but they're a "toy surprise" kind of thing, you don't get to know what imma gonna do until i get there.
02:42<Ovron>Kenny: run
02:42<Kenny>What? No, I'm used to pparadis coming over with his "surprises"... ;)
02:42<Peng>Kenny: (He's just going to shoot you with a Nerf gun and watch your TV.)
02:42<Kenny>Let me slip into something more... Comfortable...
02:42<@pparadis>baby don't tease
02:42*rajh gets out the video camera
02:42<Kenny>Peng: My TV isn't wired up to the antenna
02:43<Peng>Kenny: That's a problem, then.
02:43<Ovron>antenna?! what is this, the 80s?!
02:43<Peng>Kenny: You'll have to find some other way to entertain him, or things could get ugly.
02:43<@pparadis>i gotcher antenna right here, up mast 2 aye
02:43<Kenny>Bow chicka bow wooow
02:43*pparadis tunes into SHF
02:43<@pparadis>awwwww yeah
02:43<@pparadis>that's right
02:44<Kenny>(Even if I run out of ideas, I still got 3 sisters. I'm sure they can entertain him)
02:44<Ovron>do you drive a van pparadis?
02:45<@pparadis>Ovron: would you like me to?
02:45<rajh>you know it's not right to solicit your sisters like that...
02:45<Ovron>what does one answer to that question... I'll just continue sipping my coffee here
02:45<rajh>unless you charge a heavy coin... ;)
02:46<Kenny>rajh: Sure it is, as long as you get a decent price for it
02:46<rajh>i said that.
02:46<mdcollins>Late night, eh?
02:46<Kenny>Hahah, you were faster than me.
02:46<Tiven>hey guys, any starting point to optimize apache ? :(
02:46<@pparadis>Kenny and his fine sisters have exclusive rights to me at the moment, but if you'll stand by patiently i'm sure we can work something out in a couple of weeks. unless they re-up, in which case i'll just have to decline your offer on grounds of prior known good dealishness.
02:46<rajh>Tiven, install lighttpd
02:46<Tiven>had lighttpd
02:46<Tiven>want to change
02:46<rajh>i was kidding
02:46<rajh>what's your issue?
02:46<rajh>trim down your modules...
02:46<Peng>The starting point for how to set up Lighttpd is to install Nginx, right?
02:46<Peng>And the starting point for that is Cherokee or something...
02:47<Tiven>i have the default modules enabled rajh
02:47<Tiven>not many
02:47<rajh>do you need all of them?
02:47<Tiven>i have no idea
02:47<rajh>and what do you mean by optimize?
02:47<Tiven>guess not
02:47<mdcollins>if its memory, id look at the method the stack scripts uses.. seems to get it about 40% of memory usage, iirc..
02:47<Peng>!library Apache
02:47<Tiven>php sites rape my linode
02:47<Tiven>with apache
02:47<linbot>Peng: 1. Install the Apache 2 Web Server on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) ( - 2. Install the Apache 2 Web Server on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) ( - 3. Install the Apache 2 Web Server on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) (
02:47<Tiven>where with lighttpd its fine
02:47<@pparadis>Tiven: kill keepalives
02:47<rajh>recode your php perhaps? i'm on the lowest one and beat the hell out of it and never had a problem?
02:48<rajh>i don't use ubuntu though.. so i dunno bout them apples. ;)
02:48<Tiven>its wordpress rajh
02:48<Tiven>hmmm keepalives you say pparadis ?
02:48<Tiven>they keep ram ?
02:48<rajh>thaaaaaat'll do it. haha
02:48<Tiven>i mean, threads or what
02:49<rajh>and cache the hell out of everything you can.
02:49<Peng>Tiven: Keep-alives are about keeping TCP connections open. In Apache this generally means processes or threads.
02:49<rajh>wordpress is a BEAST.
02:51<Tiven>maybe i should just install nginx ^^
02:51<Tiven>but really, the only thing that made me try apache is that its supported by everything
02:52<@pparadis>to be frank, everything i've provisioned over the last year has used nginx. i've got legacy apache stuff, but haven't found a good reason to do anything new with it.
02:52<Tiven>htaccess is neat too
02:52<mdcollins>Are you using swap at all? if you've got too many workers then it'll swap out and slow it all down..
02:52<Tiven>yes i have 256M swap
02:52<Tiven>and like you said, it swaps the shit out of it
02:53<tonyyarusso>pparadis: do you use Drupal with your nginx at all?
02:53<Ovron>you have root access, you don't need .htaccess :p
02:53<mdcollins>Im trying to find the stack script for apache.. it does some basic optimization to try to keep memory below 40%
02:53<@pparadis>tonyyarusso: i have, but only to set up a test rig.
02:54<@pparadis>i'm really a perl/fastcgi guy
02:54<czr>pparadis, ewww
02:54*pparadis knew that was coming :)
02:54<czr>it could've been worse though!
02:54<czr>but I haven't had my morning coffee yet
02:55<mdcollins>It does some maths to get a max clients number to put into apache2.conf
02:55<@pparadis>czr: hey man, i make stuff that works :). perl has been a good friend for almost 15 years now.
02:55<czr>mdcollins, one billion million?
02:55<mdcollins> ~line 99-ish
02:55<czr>pparadis, as opposed to the rest of us who just make crap? ewww ;-)
02:55<mdcollins>meh, math..
02:55<@pparadis>czr: not to be confused with haxcrap you've seen.
02:56<@pparadis>no offense intended <3
02:56<czr>I almost tatooed the rc4 thingy in perl many years back
02:56<czr>cause it looked so dangeful
02:56<czr>of course, the whole crypto-key-size-restriction thingy blowed over
02:56<czr>buy would I be ashamed now
02:56<czr>"what you got there on your arm?"
02:56<czr>"some perl.. :-("
02:56<@pparadis>um um um
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02:56<czr>"i tlooks like frozen matrix thing, except that isn't.."
02:57<tmertz>Hello there.
02:57<@pparadis>czr: i'm still seriously considering getting "use perl;" across my upper arm at some point.
02:57<czr>pparadis, why not forehead? it would act as a worning to people who are planning to approach you..
02:58<@pparadis>czr: i'm have to have that done with some kind of impressive perlinternals trickery, and i'm certain the artist would fuck it up.
02:58<czr>pparadis, you could always teach tattoing to larry wall and that would solve your problems.
02:58*tonyyarusso is enamored with Python currently, but loathes tattoos
02:59<@pparadis>hehe, have you met larry? trust me, that won't work out ;)
02:59<czr>pparadis, no. never saw his picture either. that doesn't stop him from appearing in my nightmares though
02:59<@pparadis>he's awesome, but he ain't going there
02:59<czr>-me nods
02:59<mdcollins>tiven, basically it does: $sys_mem_mb * 40 / 100 / 10 / round that number and stick it in the config as MaxClients $number_from_math
02:59<@pparadis>czr: awwww, you should come to YAPC some time.
02:59<@pparadis>larry shows up, yo
02:59<czr>Yarr Are Pirates Conference_
03:00<@pparadis>(we also sponsor YAPC)
03:00<czr>damn, my keyboard layout keeps shifting all the time
03:00<czr>pparadis, you're just like.. 13 years late
03:00<mdcollins>Anyways, time to sleep.
03:00<czr>13 years ago I would've been interesting :-).
03:00<czr>it's funny how unlearning perl takes 10x the time that one spent learning it
03:01<@pparadis>czr: goshdarnit, i think you're interesting now, and you're good enough, smart enough, etc!
03:01<czr>pparadis :-). night night ..
03:01<czr><3 -> *
03:01<czr>hmm. not quite what I expected.
03:01<czr>although I did expected something odd.
03:01<czr>thank you tonyyarusso
03:02<czr>my next nightmare about perl will be much more vivid now.
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03:02<@pparadis>i took that one
03:02<Kenny>czr: You will dream about perl regular expressions.
03:03<czr>pparadis, heh
03:03<czr>actually, those pics make we want to come to YAPC
03:03<@pparadis>actually, i think i took quite a few of those
03:03<czr>so many weird-looking people must be plenty fun.
03:03<@pparadis>man, seriously, it's a blast.
03:03<@pparadis>honestly, it's awesome.
03:03<czr>where is it?
03:03<@pparadis>hang on
03:04<czr>Kenny, don't think I didn't notice you :-).
03:04<@pparadis>in one of the prettiest places on earth, honestly
03:04<@pparadis>asheville is *gorgeous*
03:04<Kenny>czr: That confused me :D
03:04*czr wins
03:05<czr>for once, the danish gets confused! :-).
03:05<czr>pparadis, mm.
03:05<rajh>w00t i'm about to move there
03:05<Kenny>WHAT is YAPC? all I see is linode logos and REEAAALLYYY old school gear
03:05<@pparadis>rajh: seriously?!
03:05<@pparadis>it's amazing
03:05<rajh>yes yes yes
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03:05<@pparadis>Kenny: see the site, man :)
03:05<rajh>in b'ham, al at the moment
03:05<czr>mm. it's close to knoxville too
03:05<rajh>ready to get the hell outta here
03:06<@pparadis>rajh: i grew up in atlanta.
03:06<Kenny>oooh lol
03:06<Kenny>a perl conference
03:06<czr>ooh, it's actually not that far from places I might be going anyway
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03:06<@pparadis>Kenny: a *badass* perl conference full of some of the neatest people you'll ever meet.
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03:07<Kenny>The neatest group of lazy people who all write random one-liners in perl. :P
03:07<czr>pparadis, aww, I'm going to the states for a month April-May, so travelling again for YAPC will not happen :-(.
03:07<czr>maybe next year..
03:07<Kenny>Oh god, that reminds me of ANOTHER one of my ginormous scripts...
03:07<czr>my mother lives next to savannah, so yapc this year would've been really close
03:07<@pparadis>darn, that is really close
03:07<@pparadis>my folks are in lawrenceville
03:08<rajh>south of the mason dixon line representtttttt
03:08<@pparadis>Kenny: you really ought to come to YAPC... you'll be amazed at the kind of stuff you see.
03:08<czr>pparadis, heh, I've probably driven right by there on the 85
03:09<Tiven>mdcollins thanks mate ill look into it now
03:09<Tiven>was upstairs
03:09<@pparadis>yep, Old Peachtree Road exit (just past 316)
03:09<Kenny>pparadis: But I'm in Denmark :(
03:09<czr>Kenny, I will collect you with My Awesome Car and then we'll drive to YAPC
03:09<@pparadis>Kenny: !!!
03:09<Kenny>I got an Awesome Car too, but I don't have a license for it :(
03:10<czr>hmm. next YAPC europe is in Riga
03:10<Kenny>will linode people also show up there? :O
03:10<@pparadis>Kenny: !!!
03:10<czr>that's not bad actually
03:10<@pparadis>Kenny: possibly, yes
03:10<Kenny>Okay, so there will be people I can threaten into giving me a 20GB linode...
03:10<Tiven>why do u need a 20GB linode
03:11<Kenny>I want it
03:11<@pparadis>Kenny: you gotta pay to play, big boy ;)
03:11<Kenny>therefore I need it
03:11<Kenny>pparadis: I pay with my fist
03:11<Tiven>if you justify it for me
03:11<@pparadis>Kenny: fisting is just naughty
03:11<Tiven>i will gift it to you
03:11<czr>or wear incredibly geeky outfits
03:11<czr>pparadis, yeah, but his danish
03:11<Kenny>Tiven: In a bit I will, I have to quickly do a test first
03:11<czr>it's normal over there
03:11<@pparadis>czr: true
03:11<czr>instead of shaking hands, people fist over there.
03:12<Tiven>hey pparadis
03:12<Tiven>i can protect you against Kenny
03:12<Tiven>all i want is a 20GB linode
03:12<czr>pparadis, so is asheville worth visiting even when there's no YAPC there?
03:12<Tiven>and i will fight him
03:12<Kenny>I'm fairly skilled in martial art
03:12<rajh>wtf is a 20GB linode? memory or storage?
03:12<Kenny>arts, even.
03:12<czr>rajh, both
03:12<Kenny>rajh A massive linode
03:12<@pparadis>Tiven: the current currency appears to be fisting. you must accept this denomination to proceed.
03:12<Kenny>basically dedicated machine
03:12<czr>20GB RAM, 20 GB disk, 20 GB network, 20 GB users.
03:12<Tiven>hey pparadis im reading into nginx atm
03:12<Tiven>looks very nice
03:12<@pparadis>czr: asheville is always worth visiting, best in the spring and fall
03:13<Kenny>czr: lol.
03:13<Tiven>i kept reading in the past that lighttpd was better but it seems like the other way around nowadays
03:13<@pparadis>Tiven: nginx <3 <3 <3 <3
03:13<rajh>asheville is like ashvegassssss
03:13<czr>pparadis, summer is too hot or too busy?
03:13<@pparadis>czr: too many tourists in the summer
03:13<czr>well, I'm going to finally visit vegas this time..
03:13<czr>pparadis, I see.
03:13<czr>well, I think in April-May it might still be bearable then
03:13*warren thought they were talking about Summer Glau for a second there.
03:13<@pparadis>czr: certainly
03:13<Kenny>anyway, gotta do this test, brb
03:14<@pparadis>warren: on a stick.
03:14<czr>warren, you have highlights from that?
03:14<Tiven>what about features? nginx better than lighttpd ?
03:14<warren>from what?
03:14<rajh>and ashville has a sick electronic music scene, if you're into that thing
03:14<czr>warren, summer.
03:14<czr>rajh, oh yes. do tell me more.
03:14<warren>summer or Summer?
03:14<rajh>warren wilson = parties
03:14<rajh>and fall
03:14<@pparadis>Tiven: i used lighttpd for about 2 years. i've used apache for about 12 years. i use nginx now for almost everything, and haven't looked back.
03:15*czr desperately needs the morning coffee
03:15<czr>ovron, where arest thou?
03:15<Ovron>sipping on this awesome coffee
03:16*czr shakes his fist
03:16*pparadis goes to bed
03:16<@pparadis>\o all
03:16<czr>if you observe closely, I'm warming it up for the danish hello
03:16<czr>night pparadis
03:16<Tiven>bye pparadis :)
03:16<Ovron>o/ pparadis
03:16*pparadis zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
03:18<czr>nom nom nom coffee nom nom
03:19<Tiven><3 coffee
03:19<Tiven>but without sugar :(
03:19<Tiven>sugar is bad :(
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03:19*czr only uses milk
03:19<Tiven>milk is kinda bad too
03:19<czr>although espresso I drink without milk obviously
03:19<Tiven>beer is like
03:20<czr>coffee with milk = calsium
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03:20<Tiven>coffee with milk = rape stomach
03:20<czr>Tiven, not joking.
03:20<rajh>i like my coffee black with a teaspoon of ghirardelli chocolate. mmm
03:20<Tiven>milk is kinda bad also
03:20<Tiven>anyway not needed
03:20*czr needs it
03:20<Tiven>you can get all the calcium u need from other sources
03:20<Tiven>no you dont
03:20<czr>do so.
03:20<czr>Tiven, like what? chewing gravel?
03:21<czr>I don't think so.
03:21<rajh>humans are the only mamals to drink milk after being an infant.
03:21<czr>I'll take stomach rape instead of chewing gravel any day!
03:21<rajh>mammals rather
03:21<czr>rajh, cats drink milk too
03:21<czr>and cream
03:21<rajh>only when HUMANS give it to them.
03:21<czr>well duh
03:21<rajh>sunlight = vit d.
03:21<Tiven>rajh is correct
03:22<Tiven>mammals dont need milk except when they are young
03:22<czr>I know, but still, never quite understood the point in the whole statement.
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03:22<Tiven>well, nowadays milk is not really milk
03:22<czr>humans are the only things doing a huge number of things.
03:22<rajh>haha not true czr
03:22<czr>there's that too
03:22<Tiven>now its something that used to be milk but now is full of artificially added what milk has + extra vitamins sometimes
03:23<rajh>also, i hate people who drink 2% and 1% milk, so stupid... it costs more, and is mostly water.
03:23<czr>rajh, show me another animal that does any operations with imaginary planes?
03:23<rajh>i love a glass of chocolate milk now and then...
03:23<Tiven>well they dont destroy the planet
03:23<Tiven>so there you go
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03:23<Tiven>milk is bad
03:23<czr>well, there's less fat in 1% and 2%
03:23<czr>Tiven, that's because they're stupid!
03:23<rajh>i weigh 120, i need all the fat i can get.
03:23<Tiven>humans are
03:23<czr>if you would teach say gerbils to destroy the world, they would!
03:24<Tiven>well what i hate more than 1% milk
03:24<Tiven>no they wouldnt
03:24<czr>yes they would
03:24<rajh>steak, eggs, milk, and beer for meeeee
03:24<czr>although I do like beer
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03:24<czr>beer > milk definitely.
03:24<Tiven>what i hate more is people that drink like, MUCH MUCH MUCH more milk when its 1% cause they think its healthy etc
03:24<czr>but beer + coffee = ?.
03:24<Tiven>where in fact took much more fat in total
03:24<czr>Tiven, well, that is stupid.
03:24<kerozane>the gene for adult lactose tolerance is in a minority of the human population, iirc
03:24<Tiven>people do it
03:24<kerozane>so basically, you're weird
03:24<rajh>tiven, i keep reading your name as "tirevan" which is a client of mine. i think i'm going to have bad dreams about clients tonight.
03:24<hawk>czr: Sounds like it would be really vile
03:25<czr>hawk, it does, doesn't it.
03:25<czr>although I do experiment sometimes
03:25<czr>like, port wine + smoke whiskey = yum
03:25<Tiven>Beer + coffee ? never tried it
03:25<Tiven>i just said that beer is the best :D
03:25<czr>not too much whiskey though, otherwise it will just go bad.
03:25<Tiven>beer > milk
03:25<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
03:25<rajh>at my gf's work, they infuse bacon fat with whiskey.
03:25<rajh>it's fucking disgusting.
03:25<rajh>people come there and order like 8 shots of it
03:25<kerozane>rajh: wtf
03:25<czr>either you live in the states or ukraine.
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03:26<czr>ukrainian people are crazy with fat-related stuff..
03:26<kerozane>rajh: that place is ripe for jihad
03:26<czr>although they mostly use locally produced foods, so even the fat is better there, no hormones and shit.
03:26<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
03:26<rajh>search that page for "bacon"
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03:27<kerozane>'so I had to hold down my puke response' ... excellent reviews
03:27<Tiven>more like ewwwwww actually
03:28<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
03:28<amitz>rajh: pig with whisky? nicely smelled bacon, no?
03:28<Tiven>Hi Dimitris. Yelp is using Facebook to personalize your experience. Learn More – No Thanks
03:28<czr>I'm sure the reviewer was a C64 aficionado and meant to write "poke response".
03:28<Tiven>its getting everywhere
03:28<amitz>inhumane though
03:28<Tiven>like an infection, seriously
03:28<czr>even I joined FB
03:28<czr>because of my mum :-(.
03:29<Tiven>my parents dont use it thank god
03:29<Tiven>my brotehr deleted it... for the wrong reason though
03:29<Tiven>his gf told him to lulz
03:29<czr>although I did get the "you must be the last person I ever expected to join FB"-messages from quite number of people.
03:29<amitz>i will probably delete my fb pic
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03:29<amitz>i don't put any explicit info now.
03:30<czr>we want EXPLICIT LYRICS into your profile.
03:30<Tiven>i put my work info
03:30<Tiven>apparently i work for NASA
03:30<czr>or EXPLICIT PICTURES..
03:30<Tiven>and at the same time being a student in Greece
03:30<czr>NSA, NASA, it's all the same.
03:30<Tiven>the funny thing is
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03:30<Tiven>a girl asked me if i really worked for NASA 2 nights ago
03:31<Tiven>thought she was joking
03:31<amitz>czr: explicit picture,heh
03:31<czr>omg omg omg.
03:31<warren>you called?
03:32<czr>warren, yeah, kenny needs the 20GB node..
03:32<czr>could you like, snap your fingers, or something..
03:32<Tiven>yes god please provide
03:32<Ovron>You mean you don't work for NASA Tiven? I don't know you anymore.
03:32<Tiven>you said in the past that you want to make every human happy....
03:32<Tiven>Ovron :/
03:32<Tiven>sorry mate
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03:32<Tiven>truth hurts
03:32<czr>fist hurts more.
03:33<Ovron>you realising how much more awesome my coffee is than what you're having, hurts even more
03:33*Ovron sends sample to czr for realisation of the above
03:33<czr> while staying in the $DEITY-topic, and hurt:
03:33<amitz>urmom doesn't think so.
03:33<Tiven>is there really a reason for using apache than nginx ?
03:34<Tiven>except what mwalling told me yesterday about some mod or something
03:34<kerozane>yes, modules
03:34<kerozane>all of them
03:34<czr>Tiven, it depends on what you need.
03:34<czr>if the only tool you know is a hammer, the whole world is filled with nails.
03:35<kerozane>or else you don't get that much into diy
03:35<czr>or else indeed.
03:35<czr>if the only tool you know is a hammer, or else!
03:35<Tiven>well put
03:36<czr>Tiven, if you're a newb, start with apache, learn it
03:36<czr>then once you know what you need, try nginx
03:36<Tiven>thats the thing mate
03:36<Tiven>i started with lighttpd ^_^
03:36<czr>or something else for that matter
03:36<Tiven>now i wanted apache
03:36<kerozane>no more like, if ( the only tool you know is a hammer) { into diy ? the whole world is filled with nails : you do other stuff }
03:36<Tiven>and im leaning towards nginx
03:36<czr>kerozane, you forgot the 'or else'-part.
03:37<kerozane>no I didn't
03:37<czr>Tiven, care to elaborate on the rationale behind your decisions?
03:37<kerozane>ovron got it
03:37<czr>other != or else.
03:37<czr>or else! = threat.
03:37<czr>vague one.
03:37<czr>while other might include 'or else' as threat, it is not equal to it.
03:39<czr>hah, this is getting good. finland, the worlds third most "uncorrupted" country is getting into more corruption scandals. this is so good.
03:39<Tiven>czr well
03:39<kerozane>a low corruption rating just means everyone's in on it
03:40<czr>or no one speaks about it
03:40<czr>which is what happened here
03:40<rajh>baaaack sorry had to step out for a second.
03:40<kerozane>sudden craving for some pig whiskey?
03:40<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
03:40<rajh>yeah that place has some pretty tasty bourbon and whiskey, but that bacon infused shit is disgusting
03:40<Tiven>bought linode and directly went with lighttpd
03:40<Tiven>and now i wanted to try/use apache cause.. everything is supposedly so easy with it
03:40<Tiven>supported by everything
03:41<Tiven>webmin, etc
03:41<Tiven>even wordpress can make the rewrite rules automatically for it
03:41<kerozane>first thing to do: uninstall webmin
03:41<rajh>who needs webmin anymore? i did'nt even know that was still around
03:41<rajh>wow that takes me back
03:42<czr>try linuxconf
03:42<rajh>try ssh
03:42<czr>no, I meant for the "takes me back"
03:42<rajh>oh gotcha
03:42<rajh>try telnet
03:42<czr>was going to write rlogin
03:42<rajh>serial cable!
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03:42<rajh>JTAG. i win.
03:42<czr>bloody hell, TRY KERMIT DANG IT!
03:42<rajh>i keed i keed
03:42*czr uses jtag weekly
03:42<czr>not to login though
03:42<rajh>parallel port
03:43<kerozane>Tiven: seriously
03:43<Tiven>yea kerozane
03:43<czr>it was also great to demonstrate how not to design protocols (when I was teaching that crap)
03:43<Tiven>i just used webmin as an example
03:43<czr>Tiven, it's too late now.
03:43<czr>the cat is out of the box.
03:43<rajh>i'm 23, and what is kermit?
03:43<czr>the beer has been spilled.
03:44<rajh>:P kidding of course
03:44<rajh>but jeez
03:44<kerozane>the beer has not been spilled, or else!
03:44<czr>hmm. I should probably start working now.
03:44<rajh>cat is out of the bag? hat is out of the box.
03:45<czr>cat, while escaping from the bag into the box, puts on the hat, and escapes from the box = the cat is out of the box.
03:45<kerozane>Tiven: it sounds like you don't have anything nasa-like on your system so just run lots of servers on different ports and experiment
03:46<czr>yes. apt-get install *web* && for a in /etc/init.d/*; do $a start; done
03:46<rajh>oh gods
03:46<Tiven>only thing i care about is mumble server and the repo i host for greek arch community
03:46<Ovron>make sure to back it up to a floppy when you have it set up
03:46<Tiven>but yeah thank god i have 2 IP
03:46<Tiven>and i bind 1 on mumble andlighttpd
03:46<czr>yeah. more bandwidth
03:46<Tiven>and second on stuff i test
03:47<czr>and failure tolerance and all that
03:47<kerozane>when I say 'everything' I mean nginx and apache
03:47<czr>plus, the chicks really dig it when you have 2 IPs.
03:47<rajh>they dig it even more when you write your own dynamic dns
03:47<czr>right. as the quality of my rambling approaches asymptotically level of complete_fail, I think it's time for me to work.
03:48<czr>ttyl all <3.
03:48<kerozane>approaches? intersects, you mean
03:48<czr>I read that!
03:48<czr>although, that you for not have used 'intersected' ;-).
03:53<Tiven>whats BBS
03:53<kerozane>hey, is there any way to put conditional statements in .htaccess based on SERVER_NAME? I'd ask in #httpd but they'll beat me up if they find out I'm sharing content between vhosts
03:54<Ovron>YOU'RE SHAR... oh right, wrong channel
03:54<czr>kerozane, .htaccess can pretty much contain any apache configuration statements that have been allowed in the master conf for that directory
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03:54<czr>it should really be renamed to .apache.conf or something.
03:55<Ovron>czr: some systems still call apache httpd, the one and only!
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03:55<czr>yeah, I PITY THOSE SYSTEMS!
03:55<czr>although I remember the time when even debian did that. although I might be mistaken, maybe it was slackware
03:57<Tiven>fuckkkkkk apache XD
03:57<czr>offer it coffee with mik
03:57<czr>milk even
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03:58<Ovron>I'm not sure you should do that Tiven, a minority people group association might contact you
03:59<kerozane>this is tedious. I could use <IfDefine> but defines can only be set at startup, not in <VirtualHost> wt
03:59<rajh>kerozane, what exactly are you trying to do?
04:00<Ovron>rewrite rules should probably work for whatever you're trying to achieve
04:00<czr>rewrite can do almost anything.
04:00<czr>although when you finally find out that you can't do something with rewrite, you'll have wasted couple of hours trying different approaches with rewrite. <3.
04:00<Tiven>coffee with milk sometimes i drink
04:00<Tiven>its awesome i know
04:01<Ovron>them crazy taiwanese
04:02<czr>Ovron, oh, cool
04:02<kerozane>rajh: trying to set 'php_value error_log' per SERVER_NAME
04:02<rajh>can you not do that in vhosts conf?
04:02<czr>have you tried setenv module?
04:02<kerozane>got 5 domains sharing the docroot
04:02<kerozane>rajh: yes
04:03<kerozane>czr: setenv doesn't process the vars again within apache
04:03<rajh>gordo@queso $ ls
04:03<rajh>that's my doc root
04:04<czr>kerozane, hmm. I think the setenv module works per request
04:04<czr>and it has some conditionals in it
04:04<rajh>can you set it in .htaccess for each vhost?
04:04<czr>but not sure whether the php conf var is actually a envvar at all.
04:04<rajh>or are you trying to put a .htaccess in your docroot and set it for each from there?
04:04<kerozane>rajh: yes, the latter
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04:05<kerozane>there is a bunch of php stuff set there by the app already. but I'll just set this in the vhost
04:05<Ovron>if you are using mod_php, you can set php settings by php_value <php variable name> <setting>
04:06<kerozane>czr: no, the php_value doesn't set an env var
04:06<rajh>Ovron, but not conditionally
04:06<rajh>based on servername
04:07<Ovron>I am sure you can do something around that
04:07<kerozane>cheers guys :)
04:07<kerozane>still not banned from #httpd. yay
04:07<rajh>i can do rewrite conditional, but i can't think of a way to set conditionally based on servername :S
04:07<rajh>at least not with .htaccess
04:07<kerozane>yeah, got some RewriteConds already
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04:08<czr>rewriteCond is the way to do it conditionally.
04:08<kerozane>/sitemap.xml redirects, mainly
04:08<rajh>just do it in /etc/httpd/conf/extra/httpd-vhosts.conf or whatever it is for your distro
04:08<kerozane>my distro: /etc/apache2/sites-available/
04:08<rajh>czr, no, he's not rewriting url's... he's setting php_value
04:08<czr>rajh, I know
04:09<czr>but this discussion has diverged in so many directions already :-)
04:10<rajh>so you're saying RewriteCond %{SERVER_NAME} =myserversomethingfoobar
04:10<rajh>RewriteRule php_value whatever ???
04:10<kerozane>I'm sure nginx has some fancy way to do it
04:10<rajh>doesn't sound right
04:11<Ovron>kerozane: not really, as php is not running in nginx, as mod_php is in apache
04:11<rajh>yeah vhost conf is the only way
04:12<Ovron>might require a custom extension to php that reads an environment variable on every request
04:12<kerozane>Ovron: yeah but you can pass fastcgi vars from nginx
04:12<kerozane>time I dumped mod_php anyway
04:12<Ovron>sure, but can you pass php configuration variables over fastcgi?
04:12<kerozane>not sure. but what I meant is that nginx's conf language seems more flexible
04:13<rajh>you could set an env variable perhaps? and then read it in through a php conf that's included on all pages? or some kind of zend extension...
04:13<rajh>this is starting to get ridiculous haha
04:14<kerozane>hm. why does updatedb not run when you install mlocate
04:14<Ovron>it can be set at runtime, so it is possible
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04:15<Kenny>Lol, I have like, 5 out of 25 questions left, and I've only used half the time
04:15<kerozane>scroll up :)
04:15<kerozane> <kerozane> this is tedious. I could use <IfDefine> but defines can only be set at startup, not in <VirtualHost>
04:15<Kenny>*keeps on computing stupid questions*
04:15<Ovron>Context:server config, virtual host, directory, .htaccess kerozane
04:15<rajh>missed that
04:16<rajh>vhost is how i'd do it
04:16<kerozane>Ovron: sure, to query the define, not to set it
04:16<Ovron>kerozane: I got what you meant as I pressed enter, nvm :p
04:16<kerozane>tricksy daemon
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04:17<rajh>you could make a php script that writes the .htaccess for you. XD
04:17<Ovron>nginx has a more scripty configuration, I quite like that
04:17<rajh>do some strange routing
04:17<rajh>all hackish
04:18<kerozane>I hate beers that say they're screwtop but are actually welded on
04:19<rajh>use a lighter.
04:20<rajh>haha i always use a lighter... my friends pick on me for using a lighter for opening twist-tops, but then i don't look retarded when i can't twist off a pop-off after i'm too drunk to realize i'm trying to twist off a pop-top.
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04:21<czr>I've never before seen "twist-tops" before I went to the us
04:21<czr>it was so weird :-)
04:21<rajh>lazy americans
04:22<czr>I'd also think the twist-top isn't as solid as regular one with a rubber fitter.
04:22<czr>letting gas through.. but I don't know really.
04:23<Tiven>if i add.. auto eth0 on interfaces, will that start eth0 on boot?
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04:23<Tiven>cause now i have to do ifup eth0 every time
04:23<Tiven>for some reason that line wasnt there after i added secondary ip
04:23<Ovron>yep, if you're talking about your linode/a computer not using NetworkManager
04:23<Tiven>and that reason must be me cause auto lo for loopback is there haha
04:24<Tiven>why did i remove it.. seriously ^^
04:24<rajh>haha oh shit, a few months ago my friend had just moved into a new apartment... and we lost his bottle opener and nobody had a lighter, or anything with leverage for that matter (keychain bottle opener, where were you) anyway, i went outside and pressed the bottle down on the railing and bumped it with my palm. top popped off, go back inside, get a few more beers, everyone is happy. then we hear a knock on the door, and some weird guy pops his head in
04:24<rajh>and screams "is everyone okay?! i heard shuffling around, and a loud noise" (from me hitting the bottle tops with my palms on the railing) then he pushed his way in, and was like, "oh man, nice setup (we had a projector setup on one of the walls) then proceeds to walk around my friends apartment, meanwhile we stand there... stunned. what the fuck is going on? "oh mannn that food smells great!" (i'd made curry) he rambled on for a while, then was like,
04:24<rajh>"okay ya'll have a good night" and walked out.
04:24<czr>Tiven, yes. auto for ifaces for ifup configs will cause ifup ifacename to be executed on boot.
04:24<rajh>we debated for a few hours if he was extremely sheltered and socially awkward, or stoned as hell. not sure which, or maybe both.
04:24<rajh>good itmes
04:24<Ovron>god what is this wall
04:25<czr>rajh, he was probably a perl coder.
04:25<Tiven>rajh maybe he was just friendly :D
04:25<Tiven>i mean
04:25<kerozane>probably just a gatecrasher with no balls
04:25<Tiven>if a girl did that, all of your friends and would be like "COOOOOOOOOOL"
04:25<Tiven>instead of "WTF"
04:25<czr>I think the whole situation would've been even more awkward
04:26<rajh>there were more girls than guys there
04:26<rajh>all of the girls were freaking out.
04:26<Tiven>just 1 guy without weapons
04:26<Tiven>what could he possibly do :D
04:26<rajh>we invited him to stay and have some beers and curry, but he bolted.
04:26<Tiven>i mean,
04:26<czr>I'm telling you, perl-coder!
04:26<rajh>i think he was really high, and had been scared by the noise. he said nobody had lived above him for a few years.
04:27<czr>you needed to say "dollar ampersand curly open curly open!"
04:27<Tiven>yeah probably high :D
04:27<czr>that's like a secret hand-shake.
04:28<rajh>anyway, random tangent involving beer tops.
04:28<rajh>carry onnnnn
04:28<czr>mm. I think I've found a new favourite radio stream.
04:28<Tiven>how can i see what package i installed last?
04:28<czr>the ones that I normally listened too are too repetitive in their programming :-(.
04:28<rajh>tiven what distro?
04:29<Tiven>i think i installed php5 last night for apache and i want to get rid of it
04:29<czr>rajh, electronic.. proton radio.
04:29<Tiven>and anyything i installed for apache
04:29<rajh>so try to remove it
04:29<rajh>and see what happens
04:29<rajh>sorry i haven't messed w/ debian in years.
04:29<rajh>slack and arch for me. :)
04:30<Tiven>what if i installed anything else too :)
04:30<Tiven>i dont remember
04:30<czr>although if you add gentoo to that, you'd get slarchoo
04:30<rajh>but if you wanna get rid of apache and php regardless, why not try to remove them/
04:30<czr>which would probably be the worst distro ever.
04:30<rajh>does your pkg manager do dependency cehcks?
04:30<Ovron>Tiven: tail -n 20 /var/log/dpkg.log
04:30<czr>rajh, of course
04:30<czr>sudo apt-get remove package-name && sudo apt-get auto-remove
04:30<rajh>cat ~/.bash_history
04:30<Ovron>dpkg logs what it does
04:30<rajh>fgrep ~/.bash_history dpkg
04:30<rajh>or that
04:31<czr>no. dpkg is the low level tool, you don't normally use it
04:31<czr>apt uses it for you.
04:31<rajh>see, like i said.
04:31<czr>yeah, dirty slarchoo user.
04:31<Tiven>best way to remove something is autoremove
04:31<Tiven>right ?
04:31<rajh>ever heard of zenwalk?
04:32<czr>Tiven, autoremove removes packages that are no longer necessary and were installed just to satisfy some dependency
04:32<rajh>or dracolinux
04:32<czr>Tiven, you still have to remove something before using autoremove.
04:32<Tiven>how do i remove then
04:32<rajh>i went slack -> zenwalk -> dracolinux -> archlinux and haven't looked back. anyway, OT
04:32<Tiven>just remove?
04:32<Tiven>or purge better ?
04:32<czr>Tiven, look at the command sequence that I gave you
04:32<czr>you could do this: apt-get --purge remove package-name
04:32<Tiven>thx didnt notice
04:32<czr>--purge causes dpkg to also remove configuration files.
04:32<czr>so it doesn't really change that much.
04:33<czr>I normally use --purge always when removing, but then again, I have backups.
04:33<Tiven>After this operation, 36.9kB disk space will be freed.
04:33<Tiven>are you kidding me?
04:33<czr>what are you removing?
04:33<Tiven>or is it apache2-common or something ?
04:34<czr>well, just remove apache2-common
04:34<czr>it's a dependency on which other apache variants depend on
04:34<czr>so that should remove all other crap related to apache as well
04:34<Tiven>Virtual packages like 'apache2-common' can't be removed
04:34<czr>dpkg -l | grep apache
04:34<rajh>protip: when you're done, setup your .bashrc with easy to remember aliases for these commands if you use them often. :)
04:34<czr>pick one of those that looks like is critical for apachies.
04:34<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
04:35<Tiven>thx czr that is handy
04:35*czr is the handy man
04:35<rajh>bite me. :P
04:35<Ovron>or just add a space after set and before up!
04:35<Tiven>ill make it rajh :D
04:35<rajh>SET US UP THE BOMB
04:35<Tiven>do it even *
04:36<Tiven>now it wants to install extra packages
04:36<Tiven>what the hell
04:36<rajh>ohhhhhhhhhhh debian. <3
04:36<czr>Tiven, which ubuntu version are you using?
04:36<czr>bleh. I don't have that.
04:37<czr>let me see with 10.04 what would bryan boitano do..
04:37<Ovron>debian6 RC2 on my laptop, any bets on how long it takes before it explodes?
04:38<Tiven>sudo apt-get --purge remove apache2 apache2-mpm-worker apache2-suexec apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common libapache-mod-security libapache2-mod-fcgid
04:38<czr>Tiven, sudo apt-get --purge remove apache2 apache2.2-common
04:38<Tiven>that should do it huh?
04:38<rajh>can you run dpkg --force on the latest files you want to remove in /var/cache/apt/archives
04:38<rajh>is there no "apache" group?
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04:38<czr>it's a virtual package
04:38<rajh>if you remove the parent should it not remove the children?
04:38<Tiven>but it doesnt
04:38<rajh>oh joy
04:38<czr>bleh, tiven, do what I wrote
04:38<Tiven>i mean.. usually it does
04:39<czr>-> lunch
04:39<Tiven>bon apetite
04:41<kerozane>get rid of.. php..? :(
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04:42<rajh>cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "\ install\ "` find the offending packages, then `dpkg --force-all -r /var/cache/apt/archives/NAMEOFPACKAGE` ?
04:43<kerozane>backticks give you wrinkles
04:43<kerozane>was there meant to be one at the start of that line?
04:44<rajh>yeah there was
04:44<kerozane>stress :)
04:44<Tiven>yes kerozane didnt need php5 package before
04:44<Tiven>just php cgi or something
04:45<rajh>what browser is everyone using? just curious
04:46<Tiven>ah cool
04:46<Tiven>i use windows here XD
04:46<kerozane>chrome....vertical tabs. needs work
04:46<dcraig>I use firefox
04:46<rajh>was just wondering if anyone knew anything lighter
04:46<dcraig>anybody use that?
04:46<rajh>something between uzbl and midori
04:46<Tiven>yeah in the past
04:46<rajh>firefox sucks
04:47<rajh>xulrunner = death
04:47<Tiven>firefox is chill
04:47<Ovron>links2 ftw
04:47<dcraig>I like the logo
04:47<dcraig>cute fox
04:47<Tiven>i like animals
04:47<Tiven>but chrome reminds me of them
04:47<kerozane>firefox is dominating the market. they need to be taken down
04:47<rajh>85MB for a browser? no thanks
04:47<Tiven>cause chrome = pokeball => pokemon => animals
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04:48<Tiven>85MB who?
04:48<rajh>(~) gordo@queso $ rs firefox xulrunner
04:48<rajh>checking dependencies...
04:48<rajh>Remove (3): firefox-3.6.13-1 xulrunner- mime-types-1.0-3
04:48<rajh>Total Removed Size: 84.32 MB
04:48<dcraig>I find the new firefox4 interface very jarring
04:48<dcraig>I think I'm just not comfortable with change
04:48<rajh>i only have it for testing, unfotunately.
04:48<Tiven>on windows its like 10MB
04:48<Tiven>Safari is like... 120MB
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04:49<Tiven>for crying out loud
04:49<rajh>the installer might be 10mb, but not after you install it
04:49<Ovron>browsers last few years like om nom noming RAM
04:49<rajh>yeah that's why i ditched firefox
04:49<Tiven>well good
04:49<Ovron>I'd be more worried about that, than the installation size
04:49<Tiven>we are in the 4GB ram era, nu?
04:49<dcraig>RAM is so cheap omg
04:49<dcraig>get over it ppl
04:49<rajh>yes but let's see you open 60 tabs in firefox
04:49<rajh>try it
04:49<Tiven>ram is good but dont overdo it
04:49<rajh>report back
04:50<Tiven>chrome is just fine
04:50<dcraig>my firefox is barely taking up a third of a gigabyte of ram, whatever
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04:50*Duke ovronizes Ovron
04:50<Duke>how's ovronic life? @ Ovron
04:51<rajh>i'm bad about opening tabs and going back to them later, firefox would get so slow for me, even with 4GB ram
04:51<Ovron>it is awesome thanks! How's the man with many nicks doing?
04:51<Duke>sertainly wunerful sir!
04:51<Tiven>on linux i never had any ram problems
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04:51<Tiven>on windows with browsing even 15 tabs, feels sluggish
04:51<Tiven>with any frikkin browser
04:52<Ovron>I have... adequate amount of ram in this computer, and chrome is currently om nom noming 2.9 GB, I have 24 tabs open
04:52<rajh>Tiven, i'm on linux, and firefox gave me terrible issues with RAM usage.
04:52<Ovron>chrome and firefox just hate me. Opera11 runs nicely, but they have a few quirks to fix.
04:52<Tiven>maybe its just that windows are far more terrible in general
04:52<rajh>32453 gordo 20 0 1802m 1.0g 44m S 24 26.3 42:33.34 midori
04:52<rajh>got around 80 tabs open
04:52<Tiven>oh my
04:52<Ovron>what are... bookmarks?
04:52<rajh>youd on't wanna see my bookmarks man.
04:52<rajh>i have so many unorganized.
04:53<rajh>i see stuff and bookmark
04:53<Tiven>i let many tabs open too
04:53<rajh>wanna see my speeddial? 10x10
04:53<Tiven>but every few days im like
04:53<Tiven>"fuck it" and i close them
04:53<rajh>8x10 my bad
04:53<Tiven>and never read them
04:53<Ovron>I find bookmark management horrible, so I have a text file with interesting links instead ;p
04:53<Tiven>nor add them on bookmarks :(
04:53<Tiven>but you know
04:53<Tiven>the more you know, the less you enjoy
04:53<Tiven>so im doing something good for myself
04:54<Tiven>you do what Ovi
04:54<Tiven>ovron even
04:54<Ovron>what? :p
04:55<Tiven>its funny how im sieging my wordpress without any cache plugin at all now on lighttpd
04:55<Tiven>and its fast even with like 20 clients
04:55<Tiven>and with apache even when i set it up for low memory settings it raped my linode even with 10 clients when it was more than 15 seconds :(
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04:55<Tiven>i obviously did something wrong but mehhhhhhh
04:55<kerozane>I use sessionbuddy to store groups of tabs I have open on a topic. only when I need to reboot tho
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04:58<rajh>i dont' know what i'd do w/o linux
04:58<rajh>probably die.
04:58<rajh>or go broke.
05:00<rajh>40F isn't fair, damnit.
05:00<rajh>fucking cold.
05:00<Kenny>finally done with this stupid test.
05:00<Kenny>I mean, come on, calculating the time to heat water with a heating element, phase compensation, simple ohms law exercises...
05:00<Kenny>I feel like I'm back in primary school.
05:01<Tiven>deal with it
05:01<Kenny>I get bold text? I love you too :D
05:02<rajh>prob directed @ me.
05:02<Tiven>directed @ both of you
05:02<Ovron>DEAL WITH IT
05:02<Ovron>you were doing it wrong, needs caps
05:02<Kenny>Can I haz text with fancy unicode, SpaceHobo? :D
05:02<Tiven>slightly fail
05:02<Tiven>try again
05:03<Tiven>2 more spaces on the middle
05:03<Kenny>He also has to correct the distance after the H
05:03<Ovron>Kenny: what subject was that mixing thermodynamics, and ohms law?
05:03<Kenny>it might be a font issue :P
05:03<warren>looks fine here
05:03<Kenny>Ovron: Yeah, I think he just wanted to add something "advanced" to the test, so he threw some thermodynamics into it
05:03<Tiven>go away
05:04<rajh> ______ _______ _______ _ _ _ _____ _______ _ _ _____ _______ /
05:04<rajh> | \ |______ |_____| | | | | | | |_____| | | /
05:04<rajh>|_____/______ | | |_____ |__|__| __|__ | | | __|__ | .
05:04<Ovron>oh wow
05:04<Ovron>I'm saving that
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05:04<rajh>oops caps
05:04<rajh>compliments of
05:05<Kenny> ____ U _____ u_ _ ____ U _____ u____ _
05:05<Kenny>U| _"\ u\| ___"|/ \ |"| ___ / __"| u\| ___"|/ __"| uU|"|u
05:05<Kenny>\| |_) |/ | _|"<| \| |> |_"_| <\___ \/ | _|"<\___ \/ \| |/
05:05<Kenny> | __/ | |___U| |\ |u | | u___) | | |___ u___) | |_|
05:05<Kenny>|_ |_____||_| \_| U/| |\u |____/>> |_____||____/>> (_)
05:05<Kenny>|>>_ << >>|| \\,-..-,_|___|_,-.)( (__)<< >> )( (__)|||_
05:05<Kenny>(__)__) (__) (__)_") (_/ \_)-' '-(_/(__) (__) (__)__) (__)_)
05:05<rajh> ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___
05:05<rajh> /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /\__\ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \
05:05<rajh> /::\ \ /::\ \ /::\ \ /:/ / /:/\__\ _\:\ \ \:\ \ /:/__/_ _\:\ \ \:\ \
05:05<rajh> /:/\:\__\ /::\:\__\ /::\:\__\ /:/__/ /:/:/\__\ /\/::\__\ /::\__\ /::\/\__\ /\/::\__\ /::\__\
05:05<rajh> \:\/:/ / \:\:\/ / \/\::/ / \:\ \ \::/:/ / \::/\/__/ /:/\/__/ \/\::/ / \::/\/__/ /:/\/__/
05:05<rajh> \::/ / \:\/ / /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ \/__/ /:/ / \:\__\ \/__/
05:05<rajh> \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/
05:06<dcraig>what is this nonsense
05:06<Tiven>they try
05:06<Internat>umm wow.
05:06<Tiven>they cant succeed
05:06<Tiven>on my client at least
05:06<Tiven>Kenny you forget your place
05:06<dcraig>I think I need one of them monospaced fonts
05:06<Tiven>i can say this is sparta, you cannot
05:06<rajh> ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ _____ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___
05:06<rajh> / __| | _ \ / \ / \ | _ \ |_ _| / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \
05:06<rajh> \__ \ | _/ | - | | - | | / | | | - | | - | | - | | - | | - | | - | | - | | - |
05:06<rajh> |___/ _|_|_ |_|_| |_|_| |_|_\ _|_|_ |_|_| |_|_| |_|_| |_|_| |_|_| |_|_| |_|_| |_|_|
05:06<Kenny>Tiven: I just did it. What're you gonna do about it?
05:06<rajh>_|"""""|_| """ |_|"""""|_|"""""|_|"""""|_|"""""|_|"""""|_|"""""|_|"""""|_|"""""|_|"""""|_|"""""|_|"""""|_|"""""|
05:06<Ovron>is it not enough yet?
05:06<Internat>C C C C COmbo breaker
05:07<rajh>i'm done
05:07<Tiven>im gonna whip your ass
05:07<Kenny>WOOT? I'm off early, because I finished the test? yay for going home at 11am :P
05:07<Tiven>lol thats nice rajh
05:08<Ovron>Kenny: you never answered what subject it was :p
05:08<Kenny>Ovron: Intelligent Building Installations/Home Automations.
05:08<Tiven>is that
05:08<Kenny>I have no fucking clue why there's thermodynamics in there.
05:08<Tiven>building transformers ?
05:08<Ovron>Kenny: what the
05:08<Ovron>Kenny: is this highschool or uni level?
05:08<Kenny>No, making electrical home installations, and home automation
05:09<Kenny>Ovron: It's a technical school, so it's neither. It's supposed to be somewhere slightly above highschool
05:09<Ovron>Kenny: alrighty
05:09<Ovron>teknisk högskola?
05:09<Kenny>(I never attended highschool, I went straight to this, and WHAT a bummer. I cried when I realized how low the level was... But that wasn't exactly what the government advertised with...)
05:09<Ovron>ah, right
05:09<Kenny>Ovron: Teknisk Erhverscenter/Teknisk Skole
05:10<Kenny>Never go there. Ever.
05:10<Kenny>You will cry.
05:10<Kenny>Just like I did.
05:10<Kenny>Anyway, I'm going home, c'ya!
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05:10<Ovron>DEAL WITH IT
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05:18*snubby reovronizes Ovron with a higher intensity :>
05:19*Ovron is reaching maximum capacity of ovronization
05:27<snubby> near future toy i hope @ Ovi
05:27<snubby>* Ovron
05:28<Ovron>I have the 120GB version of that, pretty happy I must say
05:31<snubby>lucky thou :>
05:40<dcraig>check out her use flags
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06:01<rajh>this is why the middle east hates us:
06:01<Kenny>back, and done for the day... Well, until I have to go to karate, that is.
06:02<Kenny>I LOVE THAT.
06:03<Kenny>The middle east hates Denmark because a dane drew this:
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06:05<czr>I thought it was using fisting-hellos that drew them wild.
06:05<Kenny>Disting-hellos? Huh?
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06:07<rajh>Everything ██ is ████ ████ ████ fine ███ █ ████ love. ███ █████ the ███ Egypt ███ ███ government ██
06:07<Kenny>... lol
06:08<czr>Kenny, yes. it was a hot topic here some hours back
06:08<czr>just grep for fisting in the scrollback!
06:08<dcraig>I can't count the times I've done that
06:08<Kenny>Not sure that's a good idea, but ok. :P
06:09<czr>dcraig, yeah, I know the feeling.. seems like no scrollback is big enough!
06:09<Tiven>is it normal for php-cgi to go 4 cores 100% with 50 connections ?
06:10<Tiven>4116 hits in 1 minute
06:10<Tiven>more succesful transactions than total transactions again.... thats wicked haha
06:11<dcraig>110% success rate!
06:11<Tiven>so it is normal u think?
06:11<Tiven>or it needs tweaking
06:11<Kenny>uh, no, needs tweaking :3
06:12<dcraig>sounds like you could downgrade to a smaller plan
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06:15<dcraig>I don't know much of anything, but it seems that if you're constantly using 100% of all your cores, then something probably requires attention
06:15<dcraig>I could be way off
06:15<Kenny>You're way on.
06:16<rajh>"leave israel alone" money
06:16<rajh>1 billion per year
06:16<rajh>this is fucked
06:17<Kenny>1 billion slaps in the butt.
06:18<Kenny>Delivered to Gearge W. Bush on Christmas Eve.
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06:19<Tiven>goddamn country
06:19<Kenny>Tiven: Prepare to debug your code, is all I can say. 50 connections shouldn't max out 4 cores :3
06:19<Tiven>and its services
06:19<Tiven>without cache, im testing
06:19<Kenny>You downloaded it, your code. ;)
06:20<Tiven>but when i was talking about tweaking, i said it about linode's php settings
06:20<Tiven>so the settings are fine i guess if it doesnt OOM
06:20<Kenny>you can possibly optimize the PHP settings, but I'd look into what PHP is *executing*
06:31<Tiven>so... even without any need for rewrite rules on nginx + wordpress and the setup on permalinks being something like index.php/blabla it gives me error
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06:42<linbot>New news from forums: High disk IO - Is it normal? in Performance and Tuning <>
06:44<Kuboing>holy shit...
06:44<Kuboing>what the fuck's he using
06:45*Kuboing waits for thread to develop
06:46<Kenny>I think... Swap.
06:47<czr>"and a pinch of php for some easy basic operations."
06:48<Kuboing>i wonder what that pinch is
06:48<czr>less than a bit
06:48<czr>more than almost none
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06:49<Kuboing>how are you so sure?
06:50<czr>because I know people.
06:50<czr>and they tell me the truth.
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06:57<Kenny>I replied to the thread with instructions on how to check if you're swapping too much :/
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06:59<czr>except that it might make sense to tell people to look at the line that starts with -/+
06:59<czr>because people.. they just don't undestand things.. :-)
07:00<czr>but yes. /me approves of the comment.
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07:00<praetorian>How can people stand reading Diff's in a non "unified" format.
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07:01<Kenny>Oh, it's a naturally born ability of the Mind Ninja.
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07:02<praetorian>it irk'd me on my Solaris 8 boxen, that they didnt have a -u unified switch
07:02<praetorian>solaris 10 does thankfully.
07:02<czr>praetorian, they normally sit I think..
07:02<czr>but yeah, unified = <3.
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07:14<rajh><3 my swap is 0B
07:14<Kenny>same here :3
07:14<rajh>gnight all. hope our net doesn't get axxed. find a ham if so. ;)
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07:29<praetorian>czr: mmm dire straits
07:29<praetorian>havent listened to this much in ages
07:30<czr>money for nothing
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07:32<praetorian>i want my mtv.
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07:51<superdug>walk of life > *
07:54<superdug>mikegrb: gimmie a lulz, you know, for old times sake
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07:59<adamh>Hi! If I buy a VPS today |january|, I must pay again in february 1 |next week|? Or I will pay 30 days later?
07:59<@ericoc>you would be billed for the rest of this month and for all of february
08:01<bakon>it'll be prorated until the end of january.
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08:03<adamh>I will pay for 3 days in this month? price/30*3?
08:04<Rob>there's 31 days in jan ;)
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08:06<Kuboing>and 5 years in jail
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08:11<praetorian>too many hobos
08:11<praetorian>you will be!
08:11<SpaceHob1>this cafe keeps switching IPs
08:11<praetorian>you mean you dont use screen + irssi?! ;)
08:11<SpaceHob1>which is fine, because I'm ballot-stuffing in favor of the *D*R*A*G* *S*T*R*I*P*
08:12<SpaceHob1>praetorian: I use tmux+irssi
08:12<praetorian>even better
08:12<praetorian>i have fallen in love with tmux
08:12<SpaceHob1>on my laptop, no less
08:12<praetorian>oh.. thats a bit .. hmm :-)
08:12<SpaceHob1>it survives X crashes
08:12<SpaceHob1>and I often use devel stuff
08:12<SpaceHob1>I run weechat under tmux on my linode
08:12<SpaceHob1>but that's really a backup
08:13<praetorian>i didn't take to weechat as well
08:13<praetorian>not sure why
08:13<SpaceHob1>yeah weechat needs a lot of work
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08:13<SpaceHob1>I'm just testing really
08:13<SpaceHob1>but I like having irc logs local on my laptop
08:13<SpaceHob1>so I keep doing both
08:13<praetorian>ahh k
08:14<praetorian>actually, atm im running tmux with a whole set of windows... one being screen with irssi in side.
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08:14<praetorian>only because i havent had to restsart irssi since i migrated to tmux.
08:14<praetorian>hi other spacehobo
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08:15<Khyel_>Be like that then :(
08:15<praetorian>so whos coming to LinuxConfAu in middle of no where, next year?
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08:15<Khyel_>praetorian: Thinking of it
08:15<praetorian>well.. it is in victoria!
08:16<Khyel_>praetorian: Oh that's win for me too, i'm in SA
08:16<praetorian>I don't think jdub is available.
08:16<Khyel_>SpaceHobo: So, a non gay version of Jobs?
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08:17<PotterSys>hi! i think this one is the trickiest question ever about Linode: is it possible to get the OS "images" used for deployment (specially the ones used for StackScript)?
08:18<praetorian>his iGender
08:18<Khyel_>iDidn't know
08:18<JshWright>PotterSys: they're pretty much the most basic version of whatever distro you're using, plus an ssh server
08:19<praetorian>LCA2012 Venue:
08:20<praetorian>hm no, wrong link
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08:20<JshWright>PotterSys: if you want the _exact_ image, then you can just boot a fresh deployment with finnix and use dd/scp to copy it locally
08:20<PotterSys>JshWright: so... the Debian image for deployment is the basic system (without any options from task-sel) _and_ a SSH server?
08:21<Talman>Is Khyel_ attempting to use "gay" as "stupid?"
08:21<JshWright>PotterSys: I'm not a Linode employee, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but yes, it's as stripped down an installation as possible for XYZ distro, plus sshd
08:22<JshWright>and some xenification tweaks, but those are listed in the control panel
08:22<Khyel_>Well, Jobs is anything but stupid, just look at his sheep :P
08:23<praetorian>better link
08:23<PotterSys>JshWright: ok. i'll try with that (as i don't have a good connection for dd-ing). thanks!
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08:27<Marius>Linux Conference Australia Under The Stars
08:27<Marius>That's pretty neat
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08:37<Khyel_>Marius: The main cities don't have many stars :(
08:37<Khyel_>The outback is the sex for it though
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08:38<chiiph>hi everyone. can someone tell me why could it be that inside linode's manager it shows that I've used all my storage, but in the machine it shows me I've used like 10% of it?
08:38<Marius>The manager only shows how much spae is allocated
08:38<Marius>the manager has no access to yoru actualy file system
08:39<chiiph>ah, I see
08:39<chiiph>thanks Marius
08:46<kerozane>allocated. not used
08:46<chiiph>kerozane: yes, I understood :)
08:46<kerozane>are you sure?
08:47<kerozane>I could say it again
08:47<Talman>... is there anything left of Egypt?
08:47<chiiph>kerozane: I'm sure :)
08:48<kerozane>alrighty then (sry for repetition. I'm not really on top of my game here :)
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08:49<kerozane>israel thinks the egyptian govt will be fine, so stop worrying
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08:49<JshWright>Fun fact: The U.S. gives Egypt 1.3 billion dollars a year in military aid. $3,351,643 a day. $148,401 an hour.
08:51<@Perihelion>Yay diplomacy
08:51<JshWright>Source: random guy in my twitter feed
08:51<Talman>Is that video feed?
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08:53<Kenny>I shall now make a statement, similar and of equal importance of a previous statement made by a Linode employee.
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08:53*Kenny eats ramen
08:54<Talman>aj-Jazeera's coverage makes it sound like a simple protest.
08:55<kerozane>but it's complex?
08:55<Talman>Egyptian government killed all but one ISP.
08:55<Talman>cells are down, SMS is down, government turned off the telcom system.
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08:56<kerozane>people were using them
08:56<Kenny>Because that one ISP supplied the president.
08:56<@Perihelion>To prevent the exchange of information
08:56<Talman>You generally don't cripple a communications infrastructure unless you're afraid of coordinated recolution.
08:56<Talman>revolution, sorry.
08:56<Tiven>what happened in Egypt
08:56<Talman>Exchange of information is bad if its being used to coordinate a revolution.
08:56<Nivex>or good if you're the revolutionary
08:57<Kenny>But good if you want to know when the train leaves the station.
08:57<Nivex>Tiven: ^^^
08:57<Kenny>Plus, there's a much simpler solution to stopping information exchange
08:57<Kenny>kill everyone.
08:57<Talman>Surprised people haven't been deploying mush networks wiht links to Noor ISP.
08:57<Kenny>Problem solved. :D
08:57<Talman>They're gearing up for that, Kenny.
08:58<Kenny>I raised them well... MWUAHAHAHAH
08:58<Talman>The government's solution to this problem is a military response.
08:59<kerozane>there are 80 million people. tanks are not an easy option
08:59<Tiven>egypt is fucked
08:59<@Perihelion>Yeah, things are pretty bad there right now
08:59<Tiven>what happened ? why did they choose do close down everything ?
09:00<Kenny>kerozane: moar tanks then.
09:00<Talman>You don't need to kill everyone, kerozane.
09:00<kerozane>egypt has been getting fucked for a hundred years
09:00<Talman>Tiven: Mass protests.
09:00<@Perihelion>Because people were using the internet/cell phones to riot
09:00<Kenny>Talman: But, why not? It's the perfect excuse to kill people! :(
09:00<Kuboing>what was the point of egypt leaving the internet?
09:00<Talman>Kenny: You only need to kill the coordinators, the rest will flee the area and return to their homes.
09:01<kerozane>what coordinators
09:01<Tiven>true but Talman if all the people are angry that wont help
09:01<Kenny>Talman: Yes, but need and want are two different things :3
09:01<Talman>Preventing the rest of the world for knowing they military is killing people, hampering terrorist communications, preventing free flow of information.
09:01<@Perihelion>Too bad a video of them shooting a guy in the street was released
09:01<@Perihelion>It's pretty brutal
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09:02<Talman>Remember, if a tank is a mile away, and its runnning people over, what are you going to do?
09:02<Talman>You're going to post that on twitter so people know to get the fuck out of the way. Well, now, they can't.
09:02<Talman>(Or to take an RPG-7 to the thing)
09:02<kerozane>there were revolutions before twitter
09:02<Kenny>kerozane: Yes. They used MySpace.
09:02<Talman>Yeah, but comms were slower.
09:03<Talman>They've killed cells, internet, SMS, only the landlines work. And those are next.
09:03<Kuboing>keeping the internet up would have allowed them to warn the tank as well, and find out who's sending them :P
09:03<Kuboing>fuck routing to egypt is slow
09:03<Talman>Kuboing: They're currently DDoSing TOR, so the "enemy" is sophisticated enough to use proxies.
09:03<kerozane>poor little tor
09:03<Kenny>well, satellite/long distance FWA should still work...
09:03<Talman>i.e. the government is attacking TOR.
09:04<Tiven>why the mass protests btw?
09:04<Kuboing>what protests?
09:04<Talman>THeir dictator has been in power for 30 years.
09:04<Talman>They'd like a new one.
09:05<Talman>I'm sure everything is fine and that Israel is not preparing to invade if the Muslim Brotherhood seizes power.
09:05<Talman>Speaking of Israel, do we have a carrier in that region?
09:05<JshWright>Talman: he's the president, and he's only been in power because there's been a state of emergency
09:05<JshWright>I'm sure once the stae of emergency is over, he'll step down
09:05<Talman>JshWright: That's... one hell of an emergency for 30 years.
09:06<JshWright>I mean really... expecting a president to step down during a state of emergency... really...
09:06<JshWright>crazy talk
09:06<@Perihelion>The state of emergency might end if he did so o.O
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09:07<czr>Talman, you have at least a carrier pigeon
09:07<Talman>CVN-72 is in the area.
09:08<Talman>And another is in Yokohama. We could have airstrikes in 12 hours.
09:08<czr>some bastard version of cvs and svn?
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09:08<kerozane>Talman: wtf are you talking about :)
09:08<czr>why would you launch airstrikes?
09:08<Talman>aircraft carrier
09:08<kerozane>strikes against whom?
09:08<czr>this isn't columbia.. :-)
09:09<czr>or.. maybe it is!
09:09<kerozane>or even tristar
09:09<czr>har :-)
09:09<Talman>Muslim extremists seize power against legitimite Egyptian Goverment, US supports allies in region, film at 11.
09:09<Kenny>czr: Again, why would you NOT launch airstrikes?
09:09<kerozane>Talman: it's a mass popular uprising, not muslim extremists
09:09<czr>me? probably to save money and nature
09:10<czr>I'm a pasifist anyway, so I have limited options really.
09:10<kerozane>and please point to the legitimate egyptian government when you see one
09:10<Kenny>oh right, pacifists are excused. :P
09:10<Talman>kerozane: I'm sorry, you're under the impression that we use some kind of reality when discussing why we blow shit to hell.
09:10<czr>reality is over rated anyway
09:10<kerozane>Talman: I don't know what 'we' means for you
09:10*Kuboing is confused
09:11<Rob>its got to be the us
09:11<Kuboing>*what* are the protests about in egypt
09:11<Rob>i mean really..
09:11<Kuboing>and *why* are they fearing it is going to escalate to tsunisia levels?
09:11<Karrde>lack of Linodes
09:11<Talman>Kuboing: They want their President to leave.
09:11<Talman>He doesn't want to.
09:11<Kuboing>*sigh* ....
09:11<czr>I think the US should really breed zillions of carrier pigeons and start running a covert IPoAC network in egypt, just outside the borders.
09:11<Kuboing>they're doing it ALL WRONG
09:11<kerozane>if they get away with a Tunisia outcome they'll be very lucky
09:11<Tiven>lol Karrde
09:11<Kuboing>get a sniper rifle, sit on top of a building... AND WAIT
09:11<Talman>So, his response was to ban opposition forces, and declare the protest illegal, and kill protestors.
09:12<czr>hey, that's pretty good way. nip at the root.
09:12<czr>before things get bad.
09:12<czr>besides, china set a good precendent there
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09:12<czr>nobody fucking cares anyway, so why not..
09:12<Rob>i suspect the people livin there care
09:12<Talman>If the government could find out who's distributing "professionally produced" riot-in-a-box flyers, they'd shoot them.
09:12<czr>Rob, well, yes, but apart from them :-)
09:13<bob2>lol riot in a box
09:13<czr>I mean people who actually could apply pressure to the top.
09:13<Kuboing>I mean, why the riots? it's only going to make the president even more not leave
09:13<Kuboing>stop the riots, stop the protests. let things calm down, and shoot him
09:13<kerozane>even more not leave?
09:13<czr>Kuboing, to attract media attention.
09:13<czr>although that kind of fails now.
09:13<Rob>Kuboing: every country ends up with riots given enough protests
09:13<Talman>Its supposed to be "demonstrations," but people are being told to storm the TV stations and destroy government buildings.
09:13<Talman>CNN reported that the local TV station in Cairo was issued baseball bats.
09:14<Kuboing>someone needs to educate them :|
09:14<Talman>which is kinda wtf.
09:14<czr>maybe they started bigbrother egypt, that would explain the TV station storming.
09:14<Talman>Basically, it sounds like someone is trying to turn a protest into armed revolution.
09:14<Kuboing>all it takes is just ONE PERSON, with a sniper rifle
09:14<bob2>telling people to be retards can't really be a crime
09:14<kerozane>armed...with baseball bats. please
09:14<bob2>given glenn beck walks the streets
09:14<bob2>and rush limbaugh
09:14<Kuboing>to keep the casaulties to a minimum
09:14<Marius>So I googled the overdose count for red bull
09:15<czr>bob2, it could be if you send them free retard-in-a-box-kits.
09:15<Marius>and I found yahoo naswrs, and this is one of the answers to if red bull can kill you;
09:15<bob2>Marius: caffine is hard to OD on
09:15<Talman>Those are for the TV station guards, kerozane. Who knows what the protestors have.
09:15<Marius>"yeah, u could die if u like drank to much of that stuff (personal expreinces) sooo...if u drink it alot like 5 a day then u might want to stop!!!?"
09:15<bob2>(but not impossible)
09:15<Marius>the person has personal experience in dieing dfrom too much redbull!
09:15<kerozane>Talman: it's pretty obvious what they have: shit, the jack kind
09:15<Kuboing>Marius: I think he meant having landed in the hospital with liver/kidney failure
09:15<Talman>They're already firebombing things, kerozane.
09:15<Talman>So the protestors obviously have something.
09:15<kerozane>fire is not 'armed revolution'
09:15<czr>they firebombed things in france too.
09:15<Kuboing>just... sniper rifle. one bullet. done
09:15<kerozane>it's a species thing
09:15<Marius>I head the recommended dosage is no more then 100mb in a 24 hour period, which is a .33ml can of red bull, and that it's considered an OD if you take 250-300mg within an hour
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09:16<bob2>just remember the "they" in "They're already firebombing things" refers to the people who are firebombing things
09:16<Talman>Armed revolution is simply a coordinated effort to overthrow a government by force.
09:17<Kenny>I'm out of ramen :<
09:17<bob2>Kenny: time for food then
09:17<czr>Kenny, Ra-Men.
09:17<kerozane>Talman: no, that's revolution
09:17<Kuboing>"We are reporting raping, killing and looting!" -"Oh my god, they're really raping, killing and looting eachother there?!" "No, we're just reporting that."
09:17<Tiven>anyone can help me with nginx and php? :(
09:17<Kenny>I need moar.
09:17<HoopyCat>tautologically-speaking, the people who are already firebombing things are they who are already firebombing things
09:17<Talman>You don't need force for a revolution, there have been bloodless ones.
09:17<Tiven>index.php loads fine but any link linked to index.php doesnt work :( for example index.php/contact-me/
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09:18<bob2>Marius: says 192mg/kg in rats
09:18<Kuboing>Talman: one sniper rifle bullet....
09:18<Kenny>HoopyCat: You must clearly be a member of this:
09:18<bob2>as LD-50
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09:18<kerozane>'armed revolution' implies a directed minority taking control. there's no evidence for that
09:18<Tokeiito>hello, i wanted to ask where servers are located? as i know there is possibility to choose?
09:18<bob2>which is an absurd quantity
09:18<kerozane>but you keep talking about the muslim bros
09:18<bob2>Tokeiito: yes, you get to pick from 5 datacentres
09:18<Kuboing>SNIPER RIFLE
09:19<czr>Kenny, thanks..
09:19<Kuboing>or hijack a tank if you really want to get up close and personal and smush the president between the threads
09:19<czr>"If you like this page, you'll like this"
09:19<Tokeiito>bob2: is there a list of them somewhere?
09:19<JshWright>Kuboing: we get it... you want to kill people... move on
09:19<bob2>HoopyCat: sure, I guess I mean that people need to keep it tautological instead of letting it turn in to a slur against a group of nearby people
09:19<Kuboing>just one person
09:19<Kenny>czr: :D
09:19<bob2>Tokeiito: on the website no doubt, but london, fremont, newark, atlanta, dalls
09:19<Tokeiito>thank you
09:19<bob2>HoopyCat: as so often happens amongs the 13 year olds of the internet
09:19<bob2>THEY blah blah blah
09:20<czr>Kenny, does it make me a bad person if I just joined the club?
09:20<Kenny>czr: No, for am I member :3
09:20<HoopyCat>bob2: also worth noting: the media doesn't report on things NOT happening, unless they've got shitty correspondents
09:20<bob2>HoopyCat: exceedingly good point
09:20<czr>HoopyCat, yes they do
09:21<HoopyCat>bob2: "Outside of our hotel, it looks like there is a bagel shop, a bus stop on both sides of the street, and an illegally-parked car. The police are approaching the illegally-parked car and seem to be writing on a pad of paper."
09:21<bob2>e.g. I was once at a 40 000+ person protest, the majority of coverage was the 3 people who broke in to a building
09:21<bob2>which is no doubt interesting, but represents 0.0075% of attendees
09:21<Talman>Most of the coverage seems to be people being shot or beaten to death by police.
09:21<bob2>HoopyCat: bwahahaha
09:21<Kenny>HoopyCat: See, that would indeed be things HAPPENING.
09:21<kerozane>armed revolution my foot
09:22<czr>no, that would be footed revolution.
09:22<bob2>that said, go people peacefully overthrowing what are effectively dictatorships
09:22<bob2>next stop singapor!
09:22<Kenny>HoopyCat: Reporting things NOT happening would be like this: "I'm standing outside in downtown London. And back to the studio!"
09:22<deejoe>fat chance
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09:23<czr>Kenny, you got it wrong, it would be "I'm reporting that NO ARMED REVOLUTION is taking place. In fact, there is a total lack of VIOLENCE of any kind. Back to the studio.."
09:23<HoopyCat>Kenny: if the reporter is standing outside in downtown london, clearly there are things happening... the reporter is able to balance on two feet, form coherent sentences, and operate a satellite phone
09:23<Kenny>No, that would be reporting that something was SUPPOSED to happen, but didn't, therefore an inverted happening.
09:23<HoopyCat>Kenny: that implies blood circulation and breathing
09:24<kerozane>'there were going to be protests today but they've been cancelled. here, watch the simpsons'
09:24<Kenny>HoopyCat: Not necessarily. All muscles can lie in a relaxed state, apart from respiration and control of voice, and she's not operating the phone after it has been dialed :)
09:24<HoopyCat>The Revolution of The Oppressed People of This Dictatorship will not be seen today, so that we may bring you this revolting program.
09:24<Kenny>However, seeing it is a REPORT, someone has to REPORT it. She does not count. :P
09:25<bob2>protip: Laphroig is delicious
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09:25*HoopyCat now has the YCDTOTV theme stuck in his head
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09:25<Kenny>So was my ramen, but my ramen is no moars. :(
09:25<HoopyCat>Kenny: it is nigh impossible to remain standing upright with all of your muscles in a relaxed state, or even in a steady state
09:26<Kenny>HoopyCat: For a moment, yes. Your knees can lock, and that's the most important part. The rest can remain "stable" for a moment or two. I know, I always have to pass out while standing :)
09:26<Kenny>(It would be much more comfortable if the times I had to pass out would be the times I was already in my bed.)
09:27<Talman>If you lock your knees, won't you pass out?
09:27<Talman>ALso, why is that?
09:27<czr>he's danish
09:27<czr>so he might be able to do it
09:27<Kenny>Why would I pass out if I lock my knees? Just stretch your legs, and notice the point where your upper body is lowered a bit - then the weight of your torso keeps the knee in a stable state. Then it's all about being in balance the moment you relax
09:28<Kenny>A true ninja/sysadmin will of course *always* be in perfect balance.
09:28<HoopyCat>generally speaking, my sudden pinings for unconsciousness tend to pass unheeded if i decrease my height above ground level a few feet in a cautious manner
09:28<bob2>HoopyCat: your memos are too prolix
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09:29<czr>Kenny, heh
09:30<Kenny>bob2: In general, one would use the term "tl;dr" for such memos :)
09:30<HoopyCat>bob2: alas, my work is usually such that i am either paid by the word or have a minimum word/page count for my polemics; these constraints are like whipping a masochist as punishment
09:31<HoopyCat>bob2: i just get into the mode
09:31<Kenny>(I cannot use said term, for my memos and messages tend to exceed his...)
09:31<HoopyCat>"I would be happy to explain this to--" "No no, no worries, I just need the source code."
09:32<bob2>ex-pfc wintergreen is not amused
09:33<straterra>HoopyCat: yes please
09:35<Talman>... why are the egyptian police using gas when they have no gas masks...
09:36<Kenny>Talman: The officers were cheaper than the masks.
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09:37<Talman>Sounds like Alexandria has fallen, police just gave up and the protestors began giving them aid.
09:37<Talman>Gas exposure, etc.
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09:37<Talman>Gotta love it when the people you're supposed to suppress and route have to give you aid.
09:44<linbot>New news from forums: What else should I do with my linode? in General Discussion <>
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09:46<straterra>Talman: where are you getting this news at?
09:46<HoopyCat>linbot: install a tor exit node so the revolting people of egypt can access their facebook
09:47<linbot>HoopyCat: Point (0.68243166, 0.65695481) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17599 of 22381 (π ≈ 3.145346499262768 - 0.003753845672974)
09:47<@jed>egypt got worse?
09:47<@jed>last I heard all the ISPs withdrew their routes
09:47<straterra>jed: I dunno about worse..I mean..after all, it's Egypt
09:53<kerozane>HoopyCat: tor would be illegal. deluge is fine. apparently
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09:55<kerozane><Talman> Surprised people haven't been deploying mush networks :: Cairo residents remove passwords from wi-fi routers
09:55<kerozane>( #jan25 )
09:55<HoopyCat>removing wpa does not a mesh network make :-)
09:55<straterra>Which doesn't matter..since their uplinks are severed
09:55<kerozane>HoopyCat: it's on topic, shaddap :]
09:55<deejoe>they can peer-to-peer at leat
09:55<straterra>"FREE WIFI! Wait..nothing loads. BLAST!"
09:56<straterra>Looks like the person with the overprices sat phone that everyone laughed at has the last laugh now
09:56<deejoe>now there's an idea--a store-and-forward system for propogating data via peer-to-peer wireless links
09:57<straterra>On slightly happier news, .com is getting signed soon!
09:57<deejoe>sender A and node B each connect to AP1, B holds data from A. B then connects to AP2, where it passes data on to C, and so forth
09:58<deejoe>the trick I suppose would be in the routing
09:58<deejoe>but that could live on the systems themselves
09:58<deejoe>rather than on the network
09:59<deejoe>and by "network" I mean, on the APs
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09:59<HoopyCat>deejoe: we've got the routing (AX.25 and packet BBSes, among others), but the range of APs is too darned short to keep the hop count reasonable
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10:01<HoopyCat>ha, i simultaneously invoked ham radio for this situation at the same time as another local on twitter...
10:03<straterra>I want a ham radio
10:03<deejoe>HoopyCat: what counts as a reasonable hop count depends on what you're trying to do. I'm thinking more along UUCP or Fidonet lines, in which latency and throughput is less of an issue.
10:03<straterra>There IS a hop limit for TCP, you know
10:03<straterra>You can't just..hop forever
10:04<deejoe>good thing we're not talking about TCP
10:04<mwalling>AS number: AS19262
10:04<HoopyCat>deejoe: nod... i suppose it depends on what you want to accomplish or where you want to go
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10:04<HoopyCat>deejoe: e.g. if the goal is "access web pages on the internet", it's going to be a hell of a lot harder than "communicate with the outside world"
10:05<deejoe>HoopyCat: I'm thinking the goal is more like "bring the banner to the corner of Foo & Bar at 8pm"
10:05<deejoe>twitter, not Netflix
10:05<@jed>netflix over packet radio
10:05<@jed>make it so
10:07<JshWright>you know what netflix should do... they should physically send movies on some sort of durable media...
10:07<HoopyCat>deejoe: VHF radio, either data or voice
10:07<hawk>jed: I think good old rfc2549 seems better for that... I mean, it does provide QoS after all
10:07<JshWright>the latency would be terrible, but the throughput would be pretty impressive
10:07<kerozane>woah, army apcs with cheering protesters all over them
10:07<JshWright>imagine how much data you could push around simply by mailing something like a DVD
10:08<kerozane>as in, manned army apcs
10:09<deejoe>HoopyCat: that too, if you have it. I don't, though, and neither do many many people who do have computers with wifi hardware.
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10:10<HoopyCat>deejoe: alas, you can't adequately prepare for a disaster while it is happening...
10:11<HoopyCat>deejoe: "go to this URL for instructions on how to form the new ad-hoc network!!" "..." "oh. shit. afk, kinko's run"
10:12<@jed>I'm looking for a bundle for textmate which shows an overview of the file I'm working on, like an overview map in a video game, but I can't find the term to Google
10:12<@jed>anybody know what I'm talking about?
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10:12<@jed>it shows you the entire file with tiny lines and where you are scrollwise
10:12<@Perihelion>like a thumbnail?
10:13<@jed> <- right side
10:13<@jed>I have dead space due to my dedication to PEP 8, and that seems like it'd be useful
10:13<@jed>that would be cool as well
10:14<deejoe>HoopyCat: maybe so, but do you think this is going to be the last time this sort of thing might be useful?
10:15<HoopyCat>deejoe: it won't be the last time, but we'll generally stop thinking about it within a few days and those who plan for it will be considered paranoid freaks :-)
10:15<HoopyCat>deejoe: (this is also far from the first time something like this would have been handy)
10:15<@Perihelion> <--?
10:15<kerozane>paranoid freakishness seems to be in vogue atm
10:15<@Perihelion>I haven't tested it :P
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10:15<kerozane>I think I might dye my hair white
10:15<deejoe>HoopyCat: you make The Man's case very well.
10:15<@jed>Perihelion: WELL DONE
10:16<@Perihelion>I had to google textmate sublimetext
10:16<@Perihelion>Which is awkward
10:16<@jed>it comes uncompiled
10:16<@jed>ah there we go
10:17<HoopyCat>deejoe: it's not that i'm defending The Man... i'm trying to motivate people to actually DO something, test it out, make it rock, and get it deployed
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10:17<straterra>Perihelion: I..don't get it
10:17<deejoe>fair enough
10:17<@Perihelion>straterra: wat
10:17<straterra>It doesn't look any different than TextMate normally does
10:17<@Perihelion>the minimap thing
10:17<straterra>Oh..on the right?
10:18<straterra>Carrt on
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10:18<deejoe>HoopyCat: I think a key threshhold for throughput would be for the network to be able to send copies of its enabling code itself--self-hosting, after a fashion. It could be seeded, then, via surreptitious exchange of keychain drives, and then spread from there.
10:18<straterra>I wouldn't mind that for Notepad++
10:18<@jed>this is kinda cool, but the anti aliasing makes it eh
10:18<@jed>it needs tweaking
10:18<kerozane>damn, they got vim
10:19<kerozane>embrace, minimap, etc
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10:19<straterra>HAWAIIAN PUNCH FTW
10:22<HoopyCat>deejoe: re-purposing access points for this is good, because there are a lot of them. however, the range is limited(*), there's a lot of different equipments out there, and there's going to be specific gyrations for each. also, achieving a workable density w/o tipping your hand will be tough.
10:23<HoopyCat>(*) i get maaaybe 75-100 meters off of the meraki repeater on the back of the house, and that's dank equipment installed in a fortuitous place that barely has power
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10:24<kerozane>get to it hobo
10:24<kerozane>you're just letting the man win
10:25<HoopyCat>yes, work would be good
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10:30<czr>No manual entry for da
10:31<HoopyCat>man da who
10:31<Pryon>man da you!
10:32<czr>is soviet russia da man is you!
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10:39<@jed>after a few minutes of using this thing, I'm convinced its only purpose is to show you how much code you've written
10:39<@jed>(and it's cool)
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10:41<@Perihelion>jed: Does it work well?
10:41<@jed>so-so, anti-aliasing is funny
10:41<@jed>works as advertised, though
10:42<pharaun>texmate ?
10:42<czr>hmm. what's the point of the minimap?
10:42<@jed>of course
10:44<@jed>yeah, it's semi-useful
10:46<TheFirst>if your chunk of code is that large perhaps there's other issues
10:47<czr>well yeah, but .. I'd rather have more screen-estate
10:47<czr>and anything past 1000 lines per file is broken by design anyway
10:48<czr>but maybe I should just try it.. I've been proven wrong before too..
10:48<@jed>that's an across-the-board statement which can't really apply to everything
10:49<@jed>we have files bigger than that, and even the iPhone app does
10:49<@jed>I think there's a 2.5kloc in the iPhone app
10:49<amitz>czr: 1000 lines per file is trivial for
10:49<linbot>java ENTERPRISE coder!
10:50<czr>yeah, obviously it's a matter of taste
10:50<pharaun>amitz: <3
10:50<czr>but much over 1k gets somewhat tedious to navigate around (for me)
10:51<@jed>ah, but that's where the Magic Textmate Box comes in handy
10:51<@Perihelion>I have php scripts that are 3k lines because I'm lazy :>
10:51<@jed>or any editor that has a symbol-navigation frobnicator
10:51<amitz>czr: that's why REAL enterprise coder uses REAL IDE. Not vim nor emacs.
10:51<@Perihelion>But I guess I recognize that it's utter crap...that's a start I think
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10:51<czr>amitz, of stfu.. :-)
10:52<@Perihelion>amitz: lolnetbeans
10:52<pharaun>lol funny thing on that, i use eclipse to "write" java code
10:52<pharaun>and i use vim to edit it :-p
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10:54<mwalling>Perihelion: we may or may not have a class that was 13kLOC
10:54<mwalling>of course
10:54<mwalling>1 static method
10:54<pharaun>mwalling: sounds like enterprise java
10:54<@Perihelion>See, I can get over that if it works. There's really no need for PHP to be 3k lines :/
10:54<mwalling>pharaun: no, sounds like an engineer touched it
10:54<@jed>mwalling: 1 static?
10:55<mwalling>Perihelion: it worked, but you couldnt open it in NB or eclipse without blowing up
10:55<@Perihelion>Shocker :)
10:55<mwalling>jed: dont let electrical engineers write code (no offense HoopyCat )
10:55<straterra>Eclipse blows up with 13,000 lines?
10:55<@jed>it uses 4 MB of RAM per LOC
10:55<@jed>I have observed this
10:55<mwalling>straterra: no, eclispe did better then NB. eclipse started turning off content assist
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10:56<amitz>Perihelion: eclipse ftw! by mentioning to people you use eclipse, you imply to people that you're rich enough to buy a PC/notebook with memory at least 4GB.
10:56<mwalling>amitz: llort much?
10:56<mwalling>my eclipse is using 25mb right now
10:56<pharaun>amitz: perhaps you should start going RAD8 FTW?
10:56<amitz>mwalling: juuuust a little bit exaggeration :-p
10:56<pharaun>amitz: that thing eats up to 6-8gb of ram
10:56<mwalling>my postgres development instance uses more ram then eclipse
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10:57<amitz>pharaun: okay then, RAD8 ftw!
10:57<kerozane>I'm seeing tanks
10:57<kerozane>well apcs with fuck-off guns
10:57<JshWright>Eclipse is using ~400MB for me right now
10:58<straterra>President just ordered the military to move in Egypt
10:58<amitz>straterra: :-/
10:58<JshWright>straterra: "just"? that was a few hours ago
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10:58<kerozane>that was police
10:58<straterra>JshWright: That was riot police
10:59<amitz>mwalling: perhaps you're running it barebone? without even an IDE? Just eclipse platform?
10:59<JshWright>straterra: the police have been out for days
10:59<czr>amitz, or he's using SATA
10:59<JshWright>army APCs have been out for several hours
10:59<kerozane>JshWright: is this the same source as before? :)
10:59<straterra>Maybe in Alexandria..but from what I've heard its just been police in Cairo
10:59<pharaun>oh dear
10:59*amitz smacks czr
10:59<@Perihelion>Can't we all just get along ;-;
11:00*czr hugs amitz
11:00<JshWright>pretty much everyone expect the army to be a lot more restrained than the police
11:00<straterra> impressive to watch
11:00*amitz hugs czr back
11:00<straterra>I'm proud of the egyptians for protesting and such :O
11:01<kerozane>aljz's codec isn't handling the low light very well
11:01<straterra>I can see just fine
11:01<straterra>They're overturning a cop van thing
11:01<kerozane>yeah, but they're made of mud
11:01<straterra>FLIP FLIP FLIP
11:01<amitz>godspeed egypt -_-
11:02<straterra>Oh snap, theres someone inside
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11:03<pharaun>what's going on?
11:03<pharaun>i know that there was a riot in egypt and that they shut down the internet there
11:04<straterra>The President of Egypt is getting pwnd
11:04<czr>I just hope egypt won't go the same way as most have so far. first the illusion of democracy -> higher living standards, 5 yrs go by -> living standards down, prices up -> disillusion -> radicalization.
11:04<straterra>I..don't think he's gonna be president for a lot longer :O
11:05<mwalling>amitz: no, this is full ide
11:05<mwalling>amitz: and its been running for 2 days
11:06<kerozane>czr: what place are you describing?
11:06<czr>kerozane, africa/russia/former soviet republics.
11:06<czr>east europe
11:07<czr>most places which transition from repressive dictatorships to democracy
11:07<czr>people have really unrealistic expectations on what democracy brings with it
11:07<kerozane>eastern europe did pretty well, on balance
11:07<amitz>czr: successful democracy needs maturity
11:08<@jed>amitz: ha, if only - it's not really working fo rus
11:08<czr>kerozane, they didn't really have anything to radicalize them
11:08<@jed>I guess there's an argument re: maturity that could be applied, though
11:08<czr>while most other former rebulics had, especially in the caucasus area
11:08<kerozane>they were pretty 'radicalized' against the ussr
11:09<czr>yes. but ussr ceased to exist.
11:09<kerozane>because of radicals
11:09<kerozane>reagan didn't do it
11:09<czr>no, because of bankrupsy.
11:09<kerozane>the ussr crumbled from the outside in
11:09<kerozane>eastern europeans made it happen
11:09<czr>kerozane, how exactly?
11:10<czr>that's not exact at all
11:10<czr>besides, ussr wasn't dependent on the eastern block
11:10<kerozane>I didn't say it was
11:10<czr>so whether the revolted or not, only affected political reality, not production/food per se.
11:11<kerozane>I said eastern europeans did pretty well out of their radical actions
11:11<czr>you went quite a bit further than that :-).
11:11<czr>but that's ok.. /me doesn't mind
11:11<kerozane>that's the nut of it
11:11<jpg>Anybody know how soon Linode will adopt Debian 6 once it hits stable as the default Debian install image?
11:12<@pparadis>jpg: "soon after release." you can review for historical release times after distros have made releases.
11:12<@jed>jpg: 3-4 years
11:12<amitz>mwalling: hmm...
11:13<amitz>jed: I don't really consider russia to be truly democratic. But I may be cherry picking subconciously.
11:13<czr>show me one country that is
11:14<Nivex>no wait, that's a benevoloent dictatorship
11:14<kerozane>it started in poland
11:15<kerozane>and poland didn't become a basketcase. that's my only point here
11:15<czr>kerozane, yes, thank you for this information, I do know the history. however, that wasn't my point at all.
11:15<@pparadis>amitz: medvedev even notes the perception of russia in that regard:
11:15<@pparadis>"Russia is very often criticized. Sometimes the criticism is well deserved, sometimes absolutely not," he said in a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos. "Russia is rebuked for the lack of democracy, totalitarian tendencies, weaknesses of legal and judiciary systems.
11:15<kerozane>well stop telling me I'm wrong then
11:15<czr>I just disagree that the easter block revolting caused USSR to collapse (or was a main factor in the collapse)
11:15<amitz>czr: hmm taiwan. But their parliamentary is truly embarassing :-D
11:15<czr>easter block even :-).
11:15<kerozane>czr: how can you be serious?
11:16<czr>kerozane, easily?
11:16<@pparadis> <-- there's no "k" ;)
11:16<pharaun>why so serious :3
11:16*Nivex motions the OT conversation be tabled
11:16*czr agrees
11:16<amitz>pparadis: damn you, your summary can mean both ways. Are you forcing me to read the link? ;-)
11:16<kerozane>suits you :)
11:17<@pparadis>amitz: <3
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11:18<pharaun>amitz: effort++ :-p get going
11:18<robinetd>Me love you long time.
11:18<robinetd>With a great huge love, if you prefer.
11:18<pharaun>Your great huge love is still inferior to Yaakov's
11:19<robinetd>Yaakov was beamed off the USS Enterprise. Any further mention of him and you will meet the same fate.
11:19<Kenny>indeed it is.
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11:19<Nivex>Yaakov Yaakov Yaakov Yaakov Yaakov mushroom mushroom!
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11:24<kerozane>czr: having reread, with 'but the ussr ceased to exist' you seem to be saying that if it hadn't, poles would be radicalised and start a terrorist jihad against it, post-democracy
11:24<kerozane>or is that just crazy talk?
11:24*czr sighs
11:24<czr>I'm not saying that, and find this discussion pretty fruitless.
11:25<kerozane>well you're not making a lot of sense then :)
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11:27<amitz>pparadis: pharaun: so in essence.... many people think the same way with what I think.
11:27<pharaun>amitz: me?
11:28<amitz>pharaun: oh... hmm...
11:28<amitz>need to banter words. Needs concentration.
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11:29<pharaun>amitz: no i mean what made you include me in that comment
11:29<pharaun>i didn't say much other than asking about what was up then pick on you about effort :)
11:30<pharaun>>:( fucking people are all doing this captioning stuff all WRONG
11:32<pharaun>cute, webM does not support subtitle/captioning
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11:34<kerozane>pharaun: I guess they're meant to be sync'd externally?
11:34<kerozane><video> does some of that
11:34<pharaun>fuck that garbage
11:34<pharaun>that is bullshit
11:34<pharaun>embed the text stream in the container
11:34<pharaun>its only 1-5kb
11:34<pharaun>and many other container already supports multiple text/video/audio/etc
11:34<kerozane>I'm sorry
11:35<pharaun>i don't like half-assed solutions, and <video> is a half assed solution
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11:35<pharaun>sorry, i'm just bit angry today
11:35<kerozane>shit, what have I done
11:35<pharaun>been reading up on some stuff and have been aguring with some people over this today
11:35<pharaun>its a very sore point with me
11:35<kerozane>what's wrong with <video>?
11:36<pharaun><-- deaf, can't use much if any of the video on demand stuff, web video, streaming, etc... and even hdmi does not do captioning/etc properly
11:36<czr>pharaun, maybe you should java some more, to help relax and such ;-).
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11:36<pharaun>kerozane: <video> is fine, but what i mean is embed the text stream into the container, and then stream that, and let the media player deal with decoding/displaying the captioning, they already do this
11:36<hawk>czr: Use java for a really soothing experience, huh? :)
11:36<pharaun>no need to re-implement a half-assed solution that depends on the browser support, and this and that
11:36<pharaun>and depend on a seperate file, etc... NO
11:36<czr>hawk, oh, not me. but pharaun and amitz like it, so.. :-)
11:37<pharaun>i don't, java makes me angry
11:37<czr>maybe you should code a webm capable browser in java
11:37<czr>like, they'd cancel each other out? :-)
11:37<pharaun>czr: no good
11:37<pharaun>webm does not support captioning/subtitle in its container
11:37<pharaun>so its rubbish
11:37<kerozane>pharaun: isn't it better if the ccs can be developed separately?
11:37<pharaun>kerozane: er whyu ?
11:37<kerozane>multi-lang etc
11:37<pharaun>kerozane: all you need to do is support embeding a text/etc stream in the container
11:38<pharaun>example, please go look up the MKV container format
11:38<kerozane>I'll pass
11:38<pharaun>i have multiple MKV movies that has 1) multiple video stream, 2) multiple audio stream, 3) multiple subtitle stream in multiple format
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11:38<hawk>pharaun: Yeeeess, embrace your anger!
11:38<czr>having the ccs separate makes it possible to do distributed localization easier, without requiring restreaming
11:38<pharaun>i had one that has up to 8 language all built into the container
11:38<kerozane>all I know is, there's a roaring trade in .srts
11:38<czr>but, both approaches have their merits.
11:38<pharaun>there is .ass, srt, etc...
11:38<kerozane>for when ppl don't include all the langs everyone wants
11:39<pharaun>they all can be embed just fine into the mkv container
11:39<pharaun>there's no need to re-stream, anything
11:39<pharaun>all you need to do is mux the text stream into the mkv container, done
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11:39<pharaun>you can even mux fonts, etc... into the mkv container
11:39<czr>well, that's what I meant by restreaming.
11:39<pharaun>czr: why is that a problem
11:39<czr>muxing. but I'm tired..
11:39<pharaun>its like 0.1 second to mux it in,d one
11:39<czr>pharaun, it's not a problem, but someone has to do it.
11:39<pharaun>i just do something like mux file.mkv subtitle.*
11:39<pharaun>czr: same thing with <video tag
11:40<pharaun>same thing with any other solution
11:40<pharaun>someone is going to have to do it or automate it
11:40<kerozane>anyway, if browser support is your issue, I think that's a little premature
11:40<kerozane>webm is like 2 weeks old
11:40<pharaun>no no not webm but
11:40<pharaun>to your proposal of <video adding stuff>
11:40<pharaun>that would then place me at the mercy of the browser that support it
11:40<kerozane>my proposal :) I love this
11:40<pharaun>i want to be able to select the browser that i want to use
11:41<kerozane>who crowned me ian hickson?
11:41<pharaun>i don't want to be forced to use X browser cos someone implemented it, but its not implemented in Y browser
11:41<pharaun>kerozane: hah you were the one who bought it up :)
11:41<kerozane>just something I remember from the spec
11:41<kerozane>can't fight it now..
11:41<czr>argh, stupid czr for writing such sneaky code..
11:41*czr found a bug finally.
11:41<pharaun>kerozane: its np :) sorry for lashing out
11:42<kerozane>pharaun: if WHATWG works at all it will be in the majority of browsers
11:42<kerozane>if it doesn't get implemented, it will be ripped out of the spec
11:42<pharaun>kerozane: no no, webM does not have any support for captioning/etc
11:42<kerozane>that's my understanding of the way things work
11:42<pharaun>in the first place so its a moot point
11:42<kerozane>I'm talking about <video> now, not webm
11:42<pharaun>well all major browser supports some implementation of it
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11:42<kerozane>incomplete ones
11:42<pharaun>and i don't like how chrome does it
11:42<kerozane>it's early days
11:43<pharaun>imho i think its better if <video> would stream and pass that stream to the media player on the system
11:43<pharaun>because those often all already have captioning/subtitles/etc built in, ready to go
11:43<kerozane>that's not going to layer
11:43<pharaun>if you ask people to reimplement stuff
11:43<pharaun>they are not going to re-implement captioning/etc
11:43<pharaun>not important to them
11:43<pharaun>fucks sake look at what happened to HDMI
11:43<kerozane>well most of this stuff can be emulated with js anyway
11:43<pharaun>hdmi does *not* pass the captioning data through at all even if the dvd has hdmi
11:44<kerozane>you just need the hooks
11:44<pharaun>dvd has the captioning, hdmi cannot pass that data through
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11:44<pharaun>its bullshit
11:44<kerozane>that's how the current html spec was conceived
11:44<pharaun>kerozane: FUCK JS
11:44<pharaun>i don't want to have to enable js just to get captioning
11:44<kerozane>I'm just saying, it's not rocket surgery
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11:44<pharaun>i want to be able to extracdt the <video> and put it into some sort of app
11:44<kerozane>so I don't see why they wouldn't turn it on
11:44<pharaun>and bam, stream it, etc
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11:44<pharaun>kerozane: container will need to have text stream support, not half assed solution
11:44<pharaun>just imho the js one is halfassed
11:44<kerozane>no, it won't :)
11:45<kerozane>there are ways to do timing within the browser
11:45<kerozane>then you just need a way to identify tracks and an overlay method
11:45<pharaun>put it in the container
11:45<kerozane>no! :D
11:45<pharaun>it already has timing info with the subtitle format, etc
11:45<pharaun>this has already been working fine
11:45<pharaun>for how many years
11:46<pharaun>mkv, ogm, etc... all has had it for years
11:46<kerozane>smil too
11:46<pharaun>even seperate avi+srt+ass, etc has it
11:46<kerozane>this is not groundbreaking
11:46<pharaun>don't need any new fuckery, just use a container that contains the text stream and render it with the video
11:46<pharaun>why do we need to use javascript
11:46<pharaun>why seperate json bullshit
11:46<kerozane>or wheel reinvention - realmedia did it 10 years ago with smil
11:46<pharaun>looking at it
11:47<pharaun>oh *THAT* shit
11:47<pharaun>mux it into the container, no
11:47<pharaun>i don't want external file
11:47<pharaun>i don't want another streaming bull, i don't want more tags
11:47<pharaun>you already have the video container, why can you not just use it?
11:47<pharaun>it already stream the audio
11:47<pharaun>it already stream the video, etc...
11:48<kerozane>because video is video. it's just one part of what video can be used for
11:48<pharaun>you know that container is independent from the video stream right?
11:48<kerozane>it's still an av container
11:48<pharaun>and most container already stream audio and video
11:48<kerozane>it's got a narrowly defined set of uses
11:48<pharaun>lots of the better one include text streaming/other streaming also
11:49<pharaun>how so?
11:49<pharaun>so does captioning/subtitle
11:49<kerozane>you sit. you watch. you read. you rewind if you're lucky
11:49<pharaun>its part of the av system, other wise deaf/hoh can't enjoy it
11:49<kerozane>I understand your frustrations probably outweigh my interest in this area
11:49<kerozane>I'm just saying there are other angles
11:50<pharaun>such as ?
11:50<pharaun>its just me but it seems like such a simpler thing
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11:50<pharaun>just bundle/mux the text into the container
11:50<kerozane>recombining various media in the client
11:50<pharaun>and then deal with the actual rendering/etc
11:50<pharaun>they already do that
11:50<pharaun>you don't bundle the audio/video together
11:50<kerozane>instead of rigidly defining how it should be consumed
11:50<pharaun>that is already a seperate stream
11:50<pharaun>that's what the container is for
11:50<kerozane>so do you download audio?
11:51<pharaun>it give s you a single "stream/container"
11:51<pharaun>which contains your audio and video stream
11:51<pharaun>most people think that audio+video is together, no its due to the container that it appear as a single file
11:51<kerozane>you only download video?
11:51<pharaun>like ex when you encode, you often deal with audio stream and video stream on their own then mux it into the container
11:52<pharaun>i have no choice usually
11:52<pharaun>because the container has both video/audio/whatever in it
11:52<pharaun>but audio is tiny part of the video
11:52<pharaun>ex, dvd
11:52<pharaun>4-9gb is video, 100-200mb for audio, kilobytes for text
11:52<pharaun>or their stupid image subtitle vob crap
11:53<czr>it's pretty elegant!
11:53*czr hides and runs _very_ fast
11:53<pharaun>czr: what is?
11:53<czr>having had written parsers for that crap..
11:53<czr>the dvd "subtitles".
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11:53<pharaun>oh those, i haven't worked directly with them but personally i hate em
11:53<czr>well, I have, and also hate them
11:54<pharaun>but anyway my point is even if i don't want audio i usually have to accept having audio with my container
11:54<pharaun>and audio is larger/heavier than a text stream, i mean audio is what megabytes, or more, vs say kilobytes for a pure text stream, so come on
11:54<pharaun>just bundle that shit all in a single container and stream that,
11:55<pharaun>its easier to manage, you stream->disk and bam just a single file to keep track of, i mean often when i get movies with seperate srt/etc i mux it in anyway just to keep it all together
11:56<pharaun>to me it just seem trivial, bundle the text stream into the container, you already bundle the audio and video together so...stfu and do the same with the text
11:56<pharaun>anyway i'm going to get off my soap box
11:59<kerozane>pharaun: you're going to love this
11:59<pharaun>on another topic egypt -
11:59<kerozane>'Given that the format itself isn’t fully specified yet, it will be a while until we see implementation in browsers. But it’s good to know that there will be an official way to add accessibility information to media. Until then, I have a JavaScript hack to take timed <span>s out of an in-page transcript to superimpose over a video.'
12:01<pharaun>kerozane: the track thing still seems grafted on, i mean imho you are already streaming an AV (audio+video) why not stream the text with it also imho
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12:01<czr>AAARGH. why. can't. it. work..
12:01<pharaun>and if i want to save the AV stuff to the computer i would have to scrap the track stuff myself
12:01<kerozane>surely not
12:01<kerozane>just wait till 2022 when all the wrinkles are ironed out
12:01<kerozane>it's going to be super
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12:02<pharaun>i no longer can sense humor
12:03<pharaun>kerozane: anyway like i said i'm oging to bow out :-p don't want to overwhelm the #linode more than we already did :)
12:03<pharaun>kerozane: i'll read up on those links ya sent me
12:03<kerozane>sure. thanks for talking about it though.. talk about html stuff on the web tends to be quite polarised
12:04<pharaun>yeah, sorry its just a sore point with me
12:04<pharaun>and i try not to lash out, just *sigh*
12:04<kerozane>I can't figure out why they're inventing a 50th subtitle format (their number)
12:04<pharaun>was already angry about some other stuff
12:04<pharaun>i guess the whole subtitle/captioning/etc is just more personal to me cos I depend on that
12:04<pharaun>and haha 50th format? wow jesus christ
12:05<kerozane>makes sense
12:05<@jed>matroska makes a lot of sense in that regard
12:05<straterra>If only the 360 supported it
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12:06<straterra>I'd be happy if the 360 supported mp4, tbh
12:07<kerozane>man. imagine being in that hotel right now
12:07<pharaun>360 does support mp4
12:07<straterra>kerozane: I know
12:07<pharaun>the container format, but its just really really restricted format
12:07<straterra>pharaun: It doesn't support h264 in mp4
12:07<pharaun>straterra: oh?
12:07<pharaun>the hell
12:08<straterra>Nope. I encoded a bunch of h264 in mp4..and they refused to play
12:08<pharaun>jed: that's what i have been trying to yell at people for years, use matroska format, it already can mux multiple type of encoded video, audio, and support multiple type of subtitle streaming
12:08<straterra>kerozane: I don't think the police cares about the media black out and al jazerra's coverage any more
12:08<kerozane>yeah it was weird that they 'came to the door' then left
12:09<kerozane>I fully expected the screen to go black
12:09<straterra>They came to the door...and was like "Screw this!" and left
12:09<straterra>Hah, me too
12:09<pharaun>what's up with the jazerra coverage?
12:09<pharaun>just now loading it up
12:09<straterra>pharaun: You can't see a whole bunch..lots of smoke
12:09<kerozane>clinton's not ready to back a horse yet
12:09<pharaun>smoke? as in burning stuff
12:09<straterra>They've lit police stations, police cars and the NDP's building on fire
12:10<straterra> in burning stuff
12:10<pharaun>oh wow
12:10<pharaun>live shooting/etc yet ?
12:10<kerozane>pharaun: as in burning ruling party hq :)
12:10<straterra>Earlier they lit a van on fire and tried to push it over a bridge in to the Nile
12:10<czr>maybe winter arrived early to egypt
12:10<pharaun>i saw a youtube this morning that they shot some guys from a heli
12:10<straterra>There has been gunfire, yes..but not confirmed to be live ammo (may be rubber rounds)
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12:10<kerozane>firing lots of tear gas cans at ppls' heads
12:10<straterra>Get Clinton off of there..we don't care about her
12:11<straterra>kerozane: did you see the protester's manual that was distributed before this?
12:11<straterra>They talked about how to protest and how to protect against tear gas, etc
12:11<straterra>They're using coke to clean their eyes of the tear gas
12:11<kerozane>ah coke. can't beat the feeling
12:11<pharaun>aw video stream isn't working
12:12<straterra>pharaun: it goes in and out
12:12<pharaun>coke? that seems like that would be painful
12:12<straterra>Apparantly, its effective
12:12<straterra>It can't hurt any more than tear gas
12:12<pharaun>i suppose
12:12<pharaun>sugar ?
12:12<straterra>SpaceHobo: MUSIC SYMBOLS
12:12<kerozane>plus, these days ppl put vodka in their eye for fun
12:12<straterra>I can see those
12:13<straterra>Theres the van they lit on fire
12:13<pharaun>video stream just started, then it froze :< ah there its going
12:13<pharaun>giant flame ?
12:13<pharaun>wow so dark and smoky
12:13<straterra>Idiots lit it on fire..then tried to rock it in to the Nile..then it started exploding so they backed away..then went back to push it in..
12:13<straterra>then it started exploding again so they all left it
12:13<pharaun>-_- thats not going to help anything
12:14<pharaun>are those black with white strips police ?
12:14<straterra>There were reports a few minutes ago of the military opening fire with live ammo on some protesters who were climbing on their tanks and trying to overpower them
12:14<pharaun>saw blue lights on top of it
12:14<czr>yay. bug squashed..
12:15<pharaun>czr: you are a bug :3
12:15<czr>we are all a bug
12:15<czr>that's besides the point
12:15<pharaun>czr: heh <3
12:15<straterra>There goes alexandria
12:15<pharaun>oh they stormed the ministry building
12:16<czr><3 & ttyl all ->
12:16<kerozane>bye czr
12:16<straterra>Note to governments of the world : don't rig elections. It pisses people off and they burn things
12:16<pharaun>is it just me or is there a lots of this stuff going on in the middle east since the leak of the cables beguns
12:16<JshWright>has nothing to do with the cables
12:17<kerozane>not just you. the palestine papers are pretty explosive also
12:17<pharaun>JshWright: i mean isn't the region less stable or it just happened to happen at the same time
12:17<JshWright>the cables certainly didn't reveal anything new about the autocratic leadership of either Egypt or Tunisia
12:17<pharaun>oh there's a van
12:18<pharaun>straterra: was *that* the van you were talking about?
12:18<straterra>Did it show the front end on fire?
12:18<straterra>If so...yes
12:18<straterra>It's an armored police transport
12:18<pharaun>oh just saw a bunch of APC passing through
12:19<pharaun>straterra: it was shinny silverish and front was on fire and people were trying to rock it over the fence
12:19<straterra>That wasnt a fence
12:19<straterra>Thats the bridge
12:19<pharaun>straterra: looked like one, kind of a fence on the edge of the bridge that they were tyring to push off ?
12:19<straterra>The 6 October bridge
12:20<straterra>Maybe..I just saw the concrete edge
12:20<pharaun>and anyway what triggered this ? I just found out about the riots/etc this morning/last night
12:20<pharaun>so i don't know much about it
12:20<straterra>The current president rigged the elections, basically
12:20<straterra>And the people are in pretty poor conditions for a civilized nation
12:21<straterra>People having trouble buying food, etc..
12:21<JshWright>pharaun: Tunisa got their "president" to leave, so the Egyptians said "Oh hey... let's do what they did"
12:21<pharaun>and the internet being shut down, the whole fb/twitter/etc thing
12:21<pharaun>JshWright: ah
12:21<straterra>Well..shutting down the internet was a good move, IMO
12:21<pharaun>straterra: how so?
12:21<Kuboing>ipv4 is freed up
12:21<straterra>Yes..they had already organized..but it may hinder the protesters from organizing and regrouping during the night
12:22<straterra>I support the protesters, but mobs are idiotic..and yeah
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12:23<pharaun>straterra: that's one of the problem with mob, you really can't manage things once things goes to hell
12:24<straterra>Lack of communication between them might help to kinda..calm them. Even if its only a little
12:24<pharaun>well, i can see how it can make things worse
12:25<kerozane>mobs are more idiotic without comms :)
12:25<pharaun>would increase anger, and people who becomes isolated can go.... nuts
12:25<pharaun>while if someone can com thing can help i guess try to calm things down a little
12:25<kerozane>it's like neurons and alcohol
12:25<straterra>The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
12:25<pharaun>but then again i have never been in a mob/etc so i don't know to be honest
12:25<straterra>bad paste heh
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12:25<pharaun>straterra: hahaha <3
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12:27<pharaun>oh we're in alexandria now
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12:28<Talman>I think I've found something wtf.
12:28<pharaun>people are throwing stuff at security now
12:28<Talman>Its called ADVISE, and we don't use it anymore.
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12:28<Talman>" financial records, phone records, emails, blog entries, website searches, and any other electronic information that can be put into a computer system.[2] The information is then analyzed, and used to monitor social threats such as community-forming, terrorism, political organizing, or crime."
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12:28<straterra>pharaun: thats the middle east way. Pick up a rock and throw it at the heaviest armored thing you can find.
12:28<pharaun>straterra: hahaha, sure sounds like it :)
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12:29<Edgeman>anyone having connection issues? specifically to NJ?
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12:29<stinebd_>seeing packet loss to console-newark and newark164
12:29<stinebd_>newark1 is okay
12:30<Edgeman>i'm starting to get a few pings through
12:30<Edgeman>forget which host I'm on in newark :/
12:30<pharaun>Edgeman: check your linode manager i think it lists it
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12:31<Edgeman> Packets: Sent = 25, Received = 6, Lost = 19 (76% loss),
12:31<Edgeman>Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
12:31<Edgeman> Minimum = 86ms, Maximum = 208ms, Average = 131ms
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12:31<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
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12:31<Edgeman>I thought 3 lines would be okay
12:31<pharaun>Edgeman: just an fyi :)
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12:32<pharaun>btw can you get a MTR ?
12:32<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
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12:32<straterra>Hah..theres another van on fire
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12:32<pharaun>straterra: haha yes i saw
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12:32<pharaun>they love to burn vans
12:32<straterra>I think all of us are pyromaniacs deep inside
12:32<pharaun>Edgeman: anyway 76% oy, but can you please do a mtr, it would give us more detail on where/etc....
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12:33<pharaun>Edgeman: but if its a non-linode network issue there isn't anything they can do
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12:33<Talman>Can someone tell me wtf BGP routing is, and how long it takes to "come back" if your ISP turns it off?
12:33<straterra>and..the actual protocol is pretty quick
12:33<pharaun>straterra: *shakes fist* you beat me >:(
12:34<mwalling>Edgeman: oftc is seeing a hiccup in newark
12:34<Talman>So Egypt can just turn right back on?
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12:35<pharaun>my site in newark seems ok, so it might just be *some* hosts
12:35<straterra>Talman: They unplugged the fiber
12:35<straterra>The ISPs did, anyway
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12:35<pharaun>oh yow the van is burning now
12:35<Eman> appears to be the problem at newark
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12:36<Edgeman>things seem to be better now
12:37<Talman>straterra: Oh, Telegraph was reporting they just turned off BGP announces or whatever you call that. I guess unplugging the fiber would stop those announcements too.
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12:37<straterra>The accouncements stopped because the fiber was unplugged :)
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12:37<@jed>not necessarily, the routes were actively withdrawn according to NANOG
12:38<pharaun>hahah someone tried to put out the fire on the van didn't do much
12:38<Talman>Right, if you withdraw them, how long does it take to reconnect?
12:38<@jed>as quickly as your announcement propagates
12:39<pharaun>and that would be ? seconds ? minutes
12:39<@jed>usually minutes Internet-wide, there's always laggy networks
12:40<Talman>So, they'll be up and tweeting about how awesome the new regime is soon enough.
12:40<Talman>GF says the old guy needs to stay in power. I don't know why, and she is ... about it all.
12:40<straterra>jed: I read on nanog they unplugged the fiber (link light down)
12:41<@jed>ah, I read a question, but nobody had answered it
12:41*jed refreshes thread
12:41<Talman>Can they turn our American internet off?
12:41<Talman>Or are there too many connection points.
12:42<straterra>they being...who?>
12:42<straterra>The military could, but it might take a while. You'd have to inforce it at every ISP/peering
12:42<JshWright>Egypt? No
12:42<Talman>No, 'an unspecified threat.'
12:42<straterra>Thats why there was all the talk of a 'internet kill switch'
12:42<Talman>i.e. 'them.'
12:42<JshWright>unless you meant a differnt "they", but that's the only noun I could resolve, given the context...
12:43<straterra>Talman: not really..they'd have to basically sever every out of country link
12:43<Talman>I was under the impression that the thing is too decentralized.
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12:43<straterra>thats the point of automagically routes around dead peerings
12:43<Talman>We have too many cables and connection points.
12:44<robinetd>straterra: You spelled enforce wrong. And remember? Amazon won't get taken off the grid until ipv4 addresses are extinct and we all die!
12:44<straterra>sue me :)
12:45<JshWright>IPV$ EXHAUSTION!
12:45<Talman>Did Amazon buy the entire internet?
12:45<pharaun>straterra: you'll be getting mail soon
12:45<straterra>pharaun: from?
12:45<pharaun>straterra: everone who wants to sue you :3
12:45<robinetd>yoohoo! Me first, me first!
12:46<Talman>Well, this is fun and all. GUILTY.
12:47<robinetd>6 more days until talman stops that. :(
12:47<Talman>straterra will be taken from this IRC chatroom to New Jersey, where he will work until dead at Linode.
12:47<Talman>What happens on the 3rd?
12:47<straterra>I'd love that
12:48<straterra>Better than my current job
12:48<robinetd>Talman: <- look at the right side of the page.
12:48<robinetd>oh, 5 days.
12:48<Talman>And how is IPv4 exhaustion going to stop that?
12:49<robinetd>We're all going to die, remember?
12:49<straterra>Not me..I'm fully ipv6 enabled
12:49*robinetd streams Katy Perry to straterra forcefully.
12:49<Talman>Is that supposed to injure him?
12:50<Talman>She doesn't look bad and her music is easily ignorable.
12:50<robinetd>Talman: urmom is easily ignorable. </3
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12:50<diffra>Does linode have a policy on tor exit nodes (thinking of setting one up on my server re: egypt)?
12:51<Tiven>where is pparadis =)
12:51<robinetd>Iunno, but I miss him. :(
12:52<Tiven>i want him to help me with php-cgi on nginx :(
12:52<Tiven>its not working properly
12:52<JshWright>Tiven: php-cgi? how 90's...
12:53<Tiven>then what am i supposed to use
12:53<Tiven>for php?
12:53<Tiven>is that right
12:53<Tiven>so php-fpm > fastcgi ?
12:53<kerozane>err, no. they work together
12:54<JshWright>sorry, I interpreted the arrow as "php-fpm, controlling fastcgi" which is what php-fpm does
12:54<JshWright>fpm = "fastcgi process manager"
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12:56<kerozane>diffra: we're going to get dos'd by mubarak because of you. bad neighbour
12:56<Tiven>so i see here.. i just need to install the package on ubuntu php5-fpm
12:56<Tiven>is that right ?
12:56<Tiven>and restart nginx? T_T
12:56<JshWright>Tiven: maybe try reads some docs?
12:57<JshWright>try googling "nginx php-fpm"
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13:07<Gika>if you install by package, remember to configure php-fpm's www.conf, since the default values are pretty much insane
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13:13<leifkb>Someone DoS'd my site at 3Gbps, and Linode immediately null-router my nodes, and says there's no way they'll restore access for a minimum of 24 hours.
13:13<leifkb>24 hours of downtime would be pretty bad for my business.
13:13<Nivex>that blows. welcome to the Internet
13:14<leifkb>Anyone have recommendations for alternative hosts that might be more DoS-resistant? :-/
13:14<JshWright>leifkb: why'd you get DoS'd?
13:14<@jed>you take a DoS that large at any other provider, they'll terminate you immediately
13:14<leifkb>JshWright: I have literally no idea.
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13:15<JshWright>leifkb: Linode is plenty DoS resistant... I didn't notice any sort of blip when you got DoS'd
13:15<JshWright>if you want "smart" DoS protections for yourself, you're going to pay a _lot_ more
13:15<leifkb>JshWright: Well, yeah, it's DoS-resistant for other customers... not so helpful for me, though. :)
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13:16<mwalling>my recommendation? anywhere but here. *I* dont want to have to deal with another one.
13:16<JshWright>leifkb: DoS attacks are (unfortunately) _very_ effective
13:18<leifkb>Yeah. I've never dealt with a serious DoS before, so I'm not too familiar with wtf to do. :/
13:18<@jed>identify the reason behind it?
13:18<mwalling>dont troll anonymous?
13:18<JshWright>wait it out... find out who and why
13:18<leifkb>I didn't troll anonymous. :(
13:19<leifkb>JshWright: Serious downtime would really mess things up... I'm trying to avoid it if that's at all possible.
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13:20<JshWright>leifkb: someone wanted to take your site offline, there's almost certainly a reason for that
13:21<JshWright>not necessarily a good one, or one that a ration person would agree with, but there's a reason
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13:21<JshWright>Deezire_: now _that's_ a denial of service...
13:21<leifkb>Probably, but I don't know what the reason could be. My site isn't especially offensive, and I haven't made any enemies recently... really, nothing has changed at all in a while, so I don't know why someone would decide to DoS me now.
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13:24<mwalling>what i find ironic is your ddos had an impact on the very service you're using to whine about it
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13:25<leifkb>mwalling: I'm not trying to whine. I asked if anyone had suggestions for what I should do. Why are you acting as if it's my fault someone is attacking me?
13:25<Pryon>"real" DDOS mitigation tuned for a given site will cost 10-20 times what you pay for a linode 4096 (per month)
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13:27<vegai>hey, guys
13:28<vegai>I'm bit of a DNS newbie... so I'm left wondering how to get more info about what's wrong with my domain
13:28<vegai>whois just says
13:28<vegai>nserver: [ERROR]
13:28<vegai>nserver: [ERROR]
13:28<vegai>nserver: [ERROR]
13:28<JshWright>leifkb: !dns
13:28<linbot>JshWright: Host not found.
13:28<mwalling>status: Technical Error
13:29<mwalling>vegai: find your registrar, and harass them
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13:29<vegai>"Finnish Communications Regulatory Authority"
13:29<vegai>I think they don't register the domain before the nameservers work
13:29<mwalling>no, your registrar
13:29<vegai>ah, ok.
13:33<vegai>thank you. We'll see if they can help
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13:33<mwalling>vegai: they've got to
13:34<vegai>what if they're incomptent? :P
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13:34<mwalling>vegai: find a different registrar
13:34<mwalling>vegai: linode's got your dns ready to go, as soon as they fix your nameserver entries you'll be golden
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13:42<vraa>if i have a linode that is at 100% usage for a week, will linode cut me off / let me know?
13:43<vegai>mwalling: all right, cool.
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13:43<@irgeek>vraa: 100% of what?
13:44<vraa>cpu usage, i assume disk usage linode doesn't care much about
13:44<linbot>New news from forums: Installing Webmin ....("help!") in General Discussion <>
13:46<@irgeek>In general, we don't care. If something you're doing is producing effects beyond your Linode, we'll let you know before we take action.
13:46<vraa>i'm curious - how could something affect ouside my linode, i thought they were independent or whatever technology the virtualization uses
13:46<vraa>the reason i ask is a friendof mine has a forum on a 'shared host' and they are threatening to kick him off
13:48<Nivex>!f disk resize
13:48<linbot>Nivex: zomg you broke teh interwebs!
13:48<Nivex>piece of go se
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13:50<axod>hi outage @NJ?
13:50<Nivex>axod: I've seen no problems to my Newark node
13:50<swaj>my newark node is fine also
13:51<axod>graphs stopped for 10 mins or so
13:52<leifkb>axod: If you're on the same host as me, could've been fallout from the DoS attack I'm under... sorry.
13:52<axod>leifkb: what host?
13:52<leifkb>newark166 and newark185
13:53<axod>newark159 here
13:53<mwalling>except it impacted more then two hosts.
13:53<axod>took my linode offline for like 15 mins
13:53<axod>not great
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14:21<nathancarnes>hey gang -- i've got a few questions about resizes linodes
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14:22<Ovron>ask ahead
14:23<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
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14:24<nathancarnes>how does the cloning/switchover work on a resize?
14:24<nathancarnes>can we assume the new slice will be identical to the old slice but with more resources?
14:24<nathancarnes>and is that all automatic?
14:24<Kenny>nathancarnes: It allocates the resources on the new linode, creates the disk image, and them moves the files over
14:24<Kenny>Yes, indeed it is
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14:25<nathancarnes>okay, so once the move is complete, the network resources get switched over?
14:25<Kenny>Same IP's, same configuration
14:25<Kenny>Just a different physical host, and more resources.
14:25<mwalling>you'll need to resize your disk images to take advantage of the new space
14:25<Kenny>I think you *may* have to click "Boot" when the move is done, but that's it :)
14:25<nathancarnes>any potential for failure in that process, or is it pretty reliable?
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14:26<Ovron>unless the solar flares damage it during the transfer, you should be safe
14:26<Kenny>Well, THEORETICALLY, no processes are 100% safe, but as he said, it's safe
14:26<mwalling>nathancarnes: if something goes bad, your old instance is on the old host for a non-infinite period of time, and opening a ticket can get a human to recover it
14:26<Ovron>but as always, backup backup backup
14:27<Kenny>Warning: In case of nuclear warfare, terror, solar flares, atmospheric failure, and other means of total apocalypse, we take no responsibility for lost data.
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14:33<Kenny>I feel sad now. Based on this scientific magazine, my IQ is the same as Arnold Schwarzenegger. I feel stupid now.
14:35<@Perihelion>He's not entirely dumb
14:36<Kenny>But then again, he's not known for his degree in mathematics either.
14:36<nathancarnes>sorry, got pulled away. thanks for the help.
14:37<robinetd>Kenny: But he will pump you up!
14:39<JshWright>nathancarnes: just to clarify... if you change DC's, you IP will change (a normal resize won't move you to a different DC, don't worry)
14:40<nathancarnes>JshWright: gotcha. we'd just be moving from a 1.5gb to a 4gb (since we're memory-constrained and our new ipad/iphone app is hammering our resque workers with API requests)
14:50<Kenny>robinetd: I'm already pumped up! If I get any more pumped, I'll have to go on a diet! :(
14:50<pharaun> <-- interesting
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14:52<Deezire_>where can i find docs on this?
14:53<Kenny>the wiki?
14:53<Deezire_>Yeah, I've looked for it
14:53<robinetd>!library stackscript
14:53<linbot>robinetd: 1. Deploy High Performance Drupal Sites with Mercury on Fedora 13 ( - 2. Deploy High Performance Drupal Sites with Mercury on Debian 5 (Lenny) ( - 3. Deploy High Performance Drupal Sites with Mercury on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) (
14:54<robinetd>Guess not. :(
14:55<Deezire_>duh :p
14:56<Deezire_>but that was pretty basic
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15:00<robinetd>where you can fax urmom to different places!
15:04<Boohemian>pparadis: ping
15:04<Boohemian>Deezire_: are you looking to use mercury for a drupal site?
15:05<Kenny>robinetd: I PATENTED THAT!
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15:07<linbot>New news from forums: Kernel 2.6.37 & PVGRUB fails to boot in General Discussion <>
15:09<Boohemian>Deezire_: i've done various optimizations of drupal, perhaps i could lend you a hand
15:09<robinetd>Kenny: Screw you. I'll take you to patent court and patent fair use!
15:10<robinetd>I'll patent patenting!
15:10<robinetd>So I can patent while I patent, yo!
15:10<Kenny>That's already patented by Microsoft...
15:10<jkwood>Sorry, Jeff Bezos beat you to it.
15:10<@jed>oh trelane, what have you done
15:10<@jed>I sense a great disturbance in the anonymous
15:10<@Perihelion>Isn't it awesome?
15:10<@Perihelion>nenolod :>
15:10<@jed>full-disclosure is lit up
15:11<WoodWork>Anyway of setting ident - to a different username - instead of random letters, or the username of the system user?
15:11<robinetd>I sense a disturbance in the force.
15:11*robinetd farts.
15:11<Kenny>robinetd: You've watched a movie I've watched.
15:11<Cromulent>star trek?
15:12<Kenny>No, Teletubbies The Movie
15:12<mwalling>WoodWork: if you're not running an identd, you can do what ever you what
15:12<Kenny>And, of course, the classic, Teletubbies: Reloaded
15:12<jkwood>I see the nonsense quotient for this channel is being filled nicely, so my services are not needed here.
15:13<Deezire_>Boohemian: Not drupal spesific
15:13<robinetd>Cromulent: The force is in star wars, not star trek. Dingus :(
15:13<Kenny>jkwood: Moar nonsense is always needed. No exceptions.
15:13*Perihelion pets jkwood
15:13<auraka>jed: I see like four messages?
15:13<Deezire_>more general stackscript
15:13<Cromulent>robinetd: no shit - humour fail
15:13<Tiven>even more hits per second i think with fpm
15:13<Tiven>or is it placebo
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15:13<Tiven>php-fpm that is
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15:14<jkwood>Kenny: It would be something like bringing a firehose to a squirt gun fight, to be honest. It's better this way.
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15:14<@jed>auraka: I have 13 in my mail client, look harder?
15:14<@jed>gmail made 4 threads
15:15<Kenny>jkwood: But... I always do that.
15:16<Kenny>(That's how I get excluded from most children birthday parties.)
15:16<Kenny>(Including my own)
15:17<jkwood>Don't worry, I'm sure you and that yak will get along just fine for now without my help.
15:17<auraka>I don't get it...looks like a he said/he said
15:18<WoodWork>mwalling: That's not an option for the network - I'm trying to connect to.
15:18<WoodWork>Perhaps, there's a way to use ident for that particular server?
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15:24<axod>why does the close button on my chrome need 2 clicks today?!
15:24<axod>google broke it :/
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15:26<Boohemian>php-fpm is great. fastcgi sucks. :/
15:27<@pparadis>no, it doesn't.
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15:27<Boohemian>i like varnish, though software apps work fine for up to 800k hits per day, *usually*
15:27<Karrde>black holes suck
15:27<axod>vacuums suck
15:27<deejoe>black holes are just very attractive
15:28<Boohemian>axod: indeed.
15:28<deejoe>it's easy to get confused
15:28<Boohemian>i bought a dyson vacuum and that fucker picks up *everything*
15:28<axod>my vacuum is so powerful it ingests itself
15:29<mwalling>WoodWork: oidentd can do that
15:29<WoodWork>thanks mwalling!
15:29<deejoe>Boohemian: a new wingman for the clubs, man
15:29*pparadis continues to happily use fastcgi to support a variety of services with no trouble at all, for both perl and php apps.
15:29*axod continues using Java to support millions of users, even though most people call Java not nice names
15:30<@Perihelion><3 Java
15:30<Boohemian>fastcgi ran away on me too often
15:30<Boohemian>probably user error, admittedly
15:30<@pparadis>news flash: php-fpm is not your saviour, isn't terribly widely supported yet, and fastcgi still works absolutely fine.
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15:31<axod>surely node.js is your savior. I heard it can do anything and is so hot right now
15:31<@jed>we're rewriting in node.js
15:31<Tiven>pparadis !!!!!!!
15:32<@pparadis>Tiven !!!!!!
15:32<Tiven>i installed nginx + php stuff
15:32<@pparadis>how goes it?
15:32<Tiven>made everything according to ur guide
15:32<Tiven>its perfect BUT
15:32<@pparadis>uh oh :)
15:32<Tiven>php doesnt work good :(
15:32<@pparadis>hm, how do you mean "good?"
15:32<WoodWork>Anyone got a installation offhand? :|
15:32<Tiven>for example
15:33<Tiven>main is my wordpress installation
15:33<Tiven>if i go rootdir/main/index.php or /main it works right
15:33<Tiven>ANYTHING else apart that, doesnt work.. like
15:33<Tiven>index.php/blabla posts etc
15:33<mwalling>jed: tj wants to rewrite the ircd in node
15:33<@pparadis>right, there's a reason for that
15:33<Tiven>but its not the rewrite rules
15:33<@jed>mwalling: not RabbitMQ?
15:34<@pparadis>Tiven: nginx does that differently.
15:34<Tiven>i didnt set it up for rewrite yet, until i fix that
15:34<nenolod>mwalling: i thought they were rewriting in stackless python
15:34<@pparadis>Tiven: yeah. i'd google around for how to do "seo friendly urls" or whatnot with nginx for tips on that.
15:35<Tiven>thats not rewrite though
15:35<jkwood>I SEO my web 2.0 in the cloud.
15:35<Tiven>with lighttpd it worked
15:35<@Perihelion>Tiven: I think Marius did something with rewriting and nginx?
15:35<@pparadis>Tiven: okay, that particular page may not be what you're looking for, but it is handled differently with nginx.
15:36<Tiven>also i used rewrite rules, many different set ups and none worked :(
15:36<@pparadis>i haven't actually set up wordpress to work with pretty urls myself, but i can give it a shot later.
15:36<@pparadis>(on nginx)
15:36<nenolod>i prefer zeromq over rabbitmq
15:36<linbot>mwalling: Is Down -> Check if your website is up or down?
15:37<@jed>zeromq melts faces
15:37<Tiven>pparadis i believe there is something wrong with my setup
15:37<Tiven>cause with lighttpd without any rewrite rule, it worked
15:38<@jed>every programming challenge I have now, I think, how would zeromq do this?
15:38<@jed>it's my new jesus
15:38<Tiven>apache too
15:38<@Perihelion>So wait
15:38<@Perihelion>You have your own personal Jesus?
15:38<pharaun>Perihelion: i thought everyone wanted their own personal jesus
15:38<@pparadis>i'm telling you that i have noted exactly what you're describing before, but it's not something i can really help you with right now, as i need to go deploy a test node and hack on it until i get it set up properly :)
15:38<@pparadis>Tiven ^
15:38<@Perihelion>pharaun: I think Depeche Mode found one
15:39<Tiven>so it needs rewrite ruels?
15:39<pharaun>Perihelion: ah, ha
15:40<@pparadis>Tiven: i'll look at it later, i promise. in the meantime, i'd look for a guide specific to setting up wordpress in this manner on nginx, and compare it against your current config.
15:40<Tiven>thanks mate
15:40<Tiven>i tried many so far but no luck :(
15:40<Tiven>and we had same configs
15:40<Tiven>pretty much same like yours
15:40<Tiven>if not exactly same
15:41<@pparadis>well, wordpress works, just not the way you want. so we'll get it hashed out later :)
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15:42<Teckie>write an apache-compliant webserver+mod_rewrite in C
15:46<JshWright>15:38 <@jed> every programming challenge I have now, I think, how would zeromq do this?
15:46<JshWright>something about having ashiny new hammer and everything looking like a nail...
15:46<axod>what you mean there isn't a single holy grail tool that solves every problem without any effort on my part?
15:47<axod>crazy talk
15:47<pharaun>axod: it exists! its name j2ee ;)
15:47<@jed>JshWright: notice I very subtly didn't say "how can I apply zeromq to the problem"
15:47<@jed>there is a difference between that and what I wrote
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15:48<@mikegrb>mmm cake
15:48<Ovron>I bring cake!
15:48<JshWright>jed: it's still applying a technique
15:49<@jed>not quite - it's thinking how presented with a similar problem, a technique would approach it
15:49<JshWright>but you're right, I did mis-read it at first
15:49<@jed>it solved sockets this way, how would it solve sorting by banana count
15:50<@jed>because its approach to sockets is so radically different
15:50<@pparadis>obviously, you need a hammock for the banana.
15:51<axod>people say erlang solves concurrency in a radical way... I just don't get it though
15:53<jkwood>I've solved the concurrency problem by avoiding it completely. So far, no messy data inconsistency issues.
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15:56<axod>jkwood: same here
15:56<axod>concurrency's a manmade problem
15:56<@jed>when it works right, though...nirvana.
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15:57<pharaun>and some stuff just are embrassingly parallel, and being able to do it that way is wonderful
15:58<pharaun>I was able to crunch something like a hour runtime, down to roughly 2-3 minute runtime.
15:59<Ovron>oh, so you rewrote it in C then?
15:59*Ovron runs
15:59*jkwood begins to suspect that Ovron is the other half of his brain
16:00<axod>assembly > c
16:00<pharaun>Ovron: nah the first algo was single threaded C remember, i did it in python, and multi-processed that part (generate sim) its embrassingly parallel
16:00<Ovron>jkwood: perhaps we just have a part of it mapped to a shared space
16:00<pharaun>its just the memory usage/locking issue that is forcing me to write the 2nd part in C
16:01<straterra>cause python sucks
16:01<Ovron>so the lock exists across different interpreter instances?
16:02<jkwood>Ovron: That's probably it. Too much time under the power lines as a child has apparently given me wireless thought storage.
16:02<pharaun>it has to do with the list, it was put in shared memory but its still forcing it to lock, the array thing kind of failed, so doing that part in C.
16:02<axod>parralelism only matters if you have multicore
16:02<axod>but apparently we'll all have 256 cores in our laptops by 2010
16:02<pharaun>Ovron: the first part had no shared data anyway so there wasn't anything to lock
16:02<@jed>straterra: I will hurt you
16:02<pharaun>axod: or cuda :3
16:02<Ovron>pharaun: ah
16:03<Ovron>definitely needs more cuda
16:03<pharaun>Ovron: that part was trivial in multiprocessing python, its just the 2nd part, i got to battle memory usage or lock usage so i said fuck it, let's do that part in C
16:03<Ovron>pharaun: or time to make python work without the lock, and make many people happy! I expect it by end of month.
16:04<Ovron>also, more cuda.
16:04<pharaun>Ovron: XD if it was python data/etc not bad, but with numpy, that's what is making this a bitch
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16:05<Deezire_>apache-mpm-prefork or worker, what is best for low-memory systems?
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16:06<Deezire_>(and nginx or whatever is not a viable option)
16:06<straterra>jed: why
16:06<straterra>jed: its not MY fault it sucks
16:06<sprog>:array: dd
16:06*Ovron gets popcorn
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16:07*nDuff hugs Clojure's STM (re: threading/locking)
16:08<pharaun>UGH! over arch'd piece of SHIT java code >:(
16:08<jkwood>But you digress.
16:08<Ovron>is it ENTERPRISE code?
16:09<pharaun>yes it is
16:09<Ovron>I beter amitz is responsible.
16:09<jkwood>Yes, we'll blame amitz.
16:10<pharaun>probably was
16:19<linbot>java ENTERPRISE coder!
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16:20<Getty>ENTERPRISE is cool...
16:21<Getty>spock, kirk, awesome stuff! :D
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16:26<jjwint>Quick question if anyone knows, how do you close a open support ticket
16:27<jjwint>I only see the add update button
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16:27<@jed>it'll close automatically
16:29<jjwint>Ahh ok, I thought I was missing something
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16:30<jjwint>Thanks for the 411
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16:49<sirpengi>I just OOM'ed my linode o/
16:50<warren>sirpengi, please, this is a G rated channel
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16:51<sirpengi>mwalling: no need for troubleshooting hints. I know exactly what it was I did
16:51<Getty>trekkies are always lagging brain-blood-pressure
16:51<mwalling>sirpengi: reflex
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16:52<Deezire_>does sed take care of whitespace?
16:52<Getty>i'm also a "fan" of star trek, but definitly no trekkie, and i loved the latest movie, actually i would have been really disappointed if they would have make again such crap like the 2 before....
16:53<warren>I missed people standing around a table discussing interstellar diplomacy.
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16:55<Pryon>Deezire_: can you be more specific?
16:55<Deezire_>on it
16:58<Pryon>you'll want bind-address *= 127
16:59<Deezire_>so *= would take care of all the whitespace?
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17:00<Pryon>or you could do \+ instead of *
17:00<Pryon>but * is probably fine. I'd do an experiment on a single file, first.
17:14<tharkun>Yaakov: we missed you too
17:15<vraa>how do i find out my referral code
17:16<Steve^>Oracle are so stupid it's a little worrying
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17:20<Tiven>feelings are not mutual
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17:20<Yaakov>Tiven: It doesn't matter.
17:21<Tiven>vraa on your profile
17:21<Yaakov>Tiven: It doesn't change things.
17:21<Tiven>thats true love
17:21<Tiven>now i love you =)
17:24<vraa>thanks i found it, i hope my friend signs up
17:24<vraa>i am suggesting him to switch from ace-host to linnode
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17:32<vraa>does linode support some kinda cpanel import?
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17:34<Kenny>GLaDOSDan: Yes.
17:34<Kenny>Right here, right now.
17:35<JshWright>vraa: be sure to ignore Kenny
17:36<Kenny>JshWright, I hate you.
17:36<Tiven>you are free to install anything you want
17:36<JshWright>wait... why haven't I ignored Kenny yet?
17:36<JshWright>there we go...
17:36<Tiven>kenny is cool
17:36<Tiven>kenny writes tests about water boiling point
17:37<Tiven>and when water becomes ice
17:37<JshWright>Tiven: I've yet to see anything useful come from Kenny
17:37<vraa>well my friend right now has cpanel, i dont think linode offers it by default
17:37<Tiven>of course not vraa
17:37<JshWright>vraa: you can install cPanel on a Linode, but you'll have to purchase and install it yourself
17:37<Kenny>oooh, vraa, sorry, I didn't notice your question, my stupid client got messed up with login/logout notifications, so it looked like GLaDOSDan said "no" with no context. Sorry!
17:37<vraa>yeah i dont think cpanel is necessary
17:37<Tiven>you buy a server vraa not a webserver's portion :)
17:38<dominikh>actually he's renting :P
17:38<Kenny>JshWright: I actually help Linode users in need if I can. I like to contribute to the community :)
17:39<Deezire_>How can i use a function within a sed?
17:39<Kenny>JshWright: When the chat is silent however, I just randomly blabber with other bored people. And you're always only online when it's off-topic time >:/
17:39<Deezire_>sed -i "s/\$primary_ip/" /root/test
17:39<Deezire_>where primary ip is a function to grab whatever ip eth0 has
17:39<JshWright>Deezire_: man sed?
17:39<Deezire_>duh, if i hadnt done that, why would i ask here?
17:40<Kenny>Deezire_: Is it a bash function you want to run?
17:40<Kenny>try $(primary_ip) then
17:41<Kenny>(`primary_ip` for the old style, but that's sorta deprecated-ish.)
17:41<Deezire_>hm, seems to just output whatever i write there
17:41<Deezire_>as if it's not even being intepered
17:41<Kenny>hang on
17:41<Deezire_>Will do :)
17:42<JshWright>Deezire_: I assume you're verified the function works outside of sed, right?
17:42<Deezire_>I did a echo $function
17:42<Deezire_>and it echoed the text
17:42<Kenny>Deezire_: It works for me
17:42<Deezire_>let me pastebin it
17:43<JshWright>Deezire_: bash and sed are fun and all, but there are slightly more expressive scripting environments available nowadays...
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17:44<Kenny>Deezire_: Don't escape the $ :)
17:45<Kenny>If you do, bash won't parse it
17:45<Deezire_>JshWright: yeah, but this is for pretty basic stuff, just a few configuration files that needs to be changed accordingly
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17:45<Kenny>bash and sed are good for really really really quick one-liners and the linkes
17:45<Kenny>Perl/Python ore similar for larger scripts
17:46<Kenny>Magnetized needles and steady hands for real projects.
17:46<Deezire_>ah, thanks!
17:46<Kenny>Deezire_: Did it work?
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17:46<Deezire_>yup :)
17:46<Kenny>Deezire_: In that case, could you slap JshWright for saying I never contribute to the channel? :P
17:47*Deezire_ slaps JshWright
17:47<JshWright>what'd I do?
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17:48<Kenny>"JshWright: Tiven: I've yet to see anything useful come from Kenny"
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17:50<vraa>can you guys view this img -
17:51<Kenny>Session error :/
17:51<Kenny>you probably have to be logged in to your account to view it :)
17:51<JshWright>vraa: no
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17:51<JshWright>that's owned by your account
17:52<vraa>oh okay
17:53<SleePy>I hate taxes :(
17:54<Kenny>we all do
17:54<dominikh>damn Linode and its secure code!
17:56<JshWright>vraa: if you want to make information like that available to the outside world, you'll have to use something like munin
17:57<vraa>that's what i use right now, munin
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18:01<Peng>It may be possible to access the graph images from your node's IP.
18:02<Pryon>Have the times on the dashboard graphs always been UTC?
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18:04<Peng>Pryon: I don't think so
18:04<Peng>Pryon: I think you can control it now.
18:04<Pryon>yeah, I'm poking around
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18:17<Deezire_>Kenny: As you seem to be el'guru, how do you call a function within a function?
18:17<Kenny>the function you're calling just have to be declared before it is called
18:17<Deezire_>it is
18:18<Kenny>When a function is declared, it works like any other alias or binary in bash's path
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18:20<Deezire_>aha $(function)
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18:24<Kenny>$() is for when you want to substitute something with the output of a function/binary's output :/
18:24<Kenny>But hey, if it works?
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18:32<Deezire_>with stackscripts, is there something more i need to do than deploying an image using it?
18:32<Deezire_>i see that both the stackscript i included and the one i made have been put in /root
18:34<Keyz>hey guys - for anyone on Ubuntu/Debian, do you prefer apt-get or aptitude
18:35<@pparadis>i just use apt-get
18:36<Peng>I use aptitude, but I don't particularly prefer it.
18:36<Captain_Intern>anyone willingto provide some basic php help?
18:36<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
18:36<Keyz>thanks guys
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18:39<superdug>I just turned on iptables on my linode, shit just got real
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18:40<Kenny>superdug: oh, it was complex before? :D
18:40<Kenny>(Math joke)
18:42*nDuff is pretty sure ~100% of everyone here reads xkcd
18:42<tharkun>Keyz: there is factoid on debians bot called why aptitude and there is another why not aptitude take a look at them very instructive
18:42<Kenny>HoopyCat: FUCK ME NOW
18:43<Kenny>nDuff: LIES!
18:43<linbot>Kenny: Point (0.04664551, 0.86835630) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17600 of 22382 (π ≈ 3.145384684121169 - 0.003792030531376)
18:43<@jed>pretty bad sign when you get an error from sqlalchemy, and google it only to find listings of the source code with your error highlighted
18:43*jed scared
18:43<Kenny>... indeed
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18:44<HoopyCat>jed: my current hell involves a SOAP API where the documentation and the WSDL have only vaguely experienced each other
18:44<Keyz>tharkun: thanks :) a bit new at this - how do I access that?
18:44<cobianet>I just got a notification of outbound traffic rate averaging 9.13 Mb/s for the last 2 hours
18:44<@jed>UnmappedColumnError: Can't execute sync rule for destination column 'Redirect.user_id'; mapper 'Mapper|User|User' does not map this column. Try using an explicit `foreign_keys` collection which does not include this column (or use a viewonly=True relation).
18:44<@jed>I have no idea what you MEAN
18:44*jed yanks hair
18:44<cobianet>problem is that iptraf reports that figure at more like 20.40 kbits/s
18:45<cobianet>don't know if it's a bug somewhere in the linode notifications, but there's no way I'm pumping out 9.13Mb/s over 2 hours
18:45<HoopyCat>cobianet: were you sending a lot of traffic outbound for a time (e.g. backups, lots of traffic, etc)? anything interesting on the charts?
18:46<cobianet>I was not
18:46<cobianet>perhaps the backup service was
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18:46<cobianet>last backup was 2 hours ago
18:46<cobianet>so that's probably it
18:46<Captain_Intern>anyone take a look at my code and tell me why I get an import data error?
18:46<HoopyCat>cobianet: the linode-based backup is out of band
18:46<@jed>backup service doesn't generate those alerts
18:46<cobianet>that's what I would assume also
18:46<tharkun>Keyz: join the #debian cannel and /msg the bot
18:47<tharkun>its name is dpkg
18:47<cobianet>but if you look on the graphs, exactly 2 hours ago the backup ran
18:47<cobianet>and the massive peak in traffic
18:47<@jed>cobianet: look at the graph for 'radius'
18:47<Keyz>tharkun: ok got it - thx
18:47<cobianet>I'm on it jed
18:47<@jed>cobianet: you're actually about to get a ticket regarding that
18:48<@jed>because you weren't the only person with such a spike at exactly 2pm.
18:48<HoopyCat>C. of E. Films
18:48<@jed>what services are running on that box?
18:48<HoopyCat>In Association with the Sunday Schools Board Present...
18:48<cobianet>ok, so this is an anomaly? I can go back to programming?
18:48<HoopyCat>"THE TICKET"
18:48<cobianet>just radius jed
18:48<@jed>radius is the only thing beside sshd listening publicly?
18:49<linbot>New news from forums: What else should I do with my linode? in General Discussion <>
18:49<@jed>what kind of radius?
18:49<@jed>and version?
18:49<cobianet>freeradius, let me check ver
18:49<HoopyCat>Starring: The Reverend Michael Q. Greb
18:49<HoopyCat>Introducing: P. P. Paradis as the Voice of God
18:49<HoopyCat>... *cough* sorry, wrong sketch
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18:50<axod>NJ issues again?
18:50<@jed>cobianet: it's not something you can ignore. your Linode spewed an extreme amount of traffic for about 45 minutes, and was one of a large number of Linodes that did the same thing
18:50<cobianet>radiusd: FreeRADIUS Version 2.1.7, for host i386-redhat-linux-gnu, built on Sep 15 2009 at 11:31:29
18:50<@jed>cobianet: enough that we noticed the bump in our graphs
18:50<HoopyCat>axod: clean as cheese here
18:50<axod>90% loss here :(
18:50<@Perihelion>Can you get an mtr?
18:51<HoopyCat>axod: i can mtr to you if you want
18:51<cobianet>jed, looks to be compromised
18:51<@jed>cobianet: do you know how?
18:51<HoopyCat>cobianet: :-(
18:51<@jed>we're curious, ourselves
18:51<cobianet>check /tmp/ on those other hosts
18:51<cobianet>here I will pastebin it
18:51*robinetd wonders what he missed.
18:51<@jed>I mean how they got in - not what is
18:51<@jed>I've read
18:52<@jed>this will help with the ticket we're about to open regarding it. it's a large enough number of Linodes that we're motivated to
18:52<axod>is this related to my issue? :/
18:52<axod>ok thx
18:52<axod>mtr just shows it dropping at the box :/
18:52<Kenny>Your paste has triggered our automatic SPAM protection filter. This happens when too many links are detected in a paste.
18:52<Kenny>cobianet: use instead
18:53<Kenny>or linodes own pastebin
18:53<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
18:53<@jed>or put in the captcha?
18:53<@Perihelion>axod: Check the console :)
18:53<Kenny>oh hey
18:53<Kenny>didn't see that
18:53<cobianet>ya, didn't see the captcha
18:53<superdug>I like how you guys just collectively used 12 lines to explain how not to spam to someone
18:53<cobianet>pastebin is such a process for me that I just copy url and past
18:53<axod>will do Perihelion graphs are now showing a spike in traffic :/
18:53<@jed>cobianet: are you running exim4?
18:53<@Perihelion>The console will explain all
18:54<@jed>cobianet: because you told me only freeradius is listening publicly :(
18:54<cobianet>'[root@li115-126 tmp]# ps aux|grep exim
18:54<cobianet>root 14965 0.0 0.0 2020 272 pts/0 R+ 23:54 0:00 grep exim
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18:54<@jed>well, apparently kills it
18:54<superdug>wait there are people who still use exim?
18:54<cobianet>I see that too
18:54<HoopyCat>axod: from
18:54<@jed>do you run exim at all normally?
18:54<@jed>this centos or fedora?
18:54<superdug>cobianet: postfix frowns at your shenanigans
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18:55<cobianet>fedora 11
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18:55<@jed>I observed lots of fedora 11s in the tickets we're about to open. does fedora mandate an MTA?
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18:55<@jed>like, do you have exim even if you don't need it?
18:56<cobianet>it's not a running process anyway
18:56<GLaDOSDan> < Obviously uses that deluge install to download nothing other than linux ISOs
18:56<cobianet>but this system has 268 days uptime, could just be something old
18:56<cobianet>updating now
18:56<GLaDOSDan>jed: what time/date GMT was this "spike"?
18:56<@jed>precisely 2pm
18:56<Boohemian>i just paid the cab driver $10 too much
18:56<Peng>14:00 UTC?
18:56<Boohemian>i forgot to ask for change :/
18:56<Peng>So 19:00Z
18:56<superdug>Boohemian: LIKE A BOSS
18:56<@jed>Boohemian: nice tip
18:56<Boohemian>like an idiot
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18:57<@jed>Boohemian: I'll update your system's packages for that tip
18:57<HoopyCat>fedora 11 was EOL'd june 25... i wonder if it had that exim exploit
18:57<@jed>HoopyCat: that's what I'm thinking
18:57<@jed>we're curious what the vector is, because it was a large number of Linodes
18:57<GLaDOSDan>jed: is this an upload or download spike?
18:57<superdug>jed: I hate that you immediately made me think up 3 different euphamisms for that sentence
18:57<GLaDOSDan>oh, okay
18:57<HoopyCat>jed: indeedity
18:57<cobianet>jed: have you joined the irc channel?
18:57<cobianet>in the script
18:57<hobot>I know this is a hard question to answer, but what would be a not overused average for disk io
18:57<GLaDOSDan>i'm okay then
18:57<@jed>cobianet: tempting, but I don't feel like getting my Linode whacked off the Internet
18:57<HoopyCat>in any case, being EOL'd for more than six months, it's any guess...
18:58<superdug>jed: egyption mirrors?
18:58<HoopyCat>jed: use somebody else's :-)
18:58<GLaDOSDan>I don't think there's a hard limit at all, hobot
18:58*GLaDOSDan shrugs
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18:58<@jed>I'll just use one of the 4 /8s we're holding on to for the apocalypse under various shell companies
18:58<HoopyCat>hobot: i like to keep it below a thousand as a matter of principle, swapping as little as possible
18:58<superdug>you just have 4 /8's layin around?
18:59<@jed>no. shell companies do.
18:59<GLaDOSDan>I have a few of those too
18:59<cobianet>jed: it seems that irc is commanding the scripts, if you go there I bet you can find how they are getting in
18:59<superdug>not to brag, but I own a /2
18:59<HoopyCat>Latin-American Development and Management Corporation
18:59<cobianet>surely they are issuing commands on what to attack
18:59<@jed>cobianet: yeah, it's a C&C head
18:59<superdug>I don't really
18:59<GLaDOSDan>not to brag, but I own the ipv4 address space
18:59<@jed>cobianet: I'll probably contact the quakenet people
19:00<GLaDOSDan>cobianet: what script is this we're talking about?
19:00<superdug>GLaDOSDan: I don't even bother using that old shit anymore, I'm upgraydd
19:00<GLaDOSDan>me too!
19:00<superdug>two d's
19:00<cobianet>ok, well if you need any help from me I'm sure you have my email
19:00<superdug>double dose
19:00<pharaun>double? pfft, weak
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19:00<superdug>that'd be dum yo, plus I Don't got the cheddar for a third d, ya feel me?
19:01<superdug>jed: so what happened at 2pm?
19:01<pharaun>I has cheddar here :3
19:01<GLaDOSDan>Argentinians eh
19:01<@jed>superdug: I took a leak
19:01<superdug>jed: business or pleasure?
19:01<@jed>hopefully both!
19:01<GLaDOSDan>has anyone been in #flwd yet?
19:02<hobot>HoopyCat: the reason I mnentioned disk io is it jumped to 12k at a time I wasnt even logged into it, and I was only hosting one git repo
19:02<hobot>for some external people, so I was like wat
19:02<@jed>GLaDOSDan: nah, I'm wussin
19:02<GLaDOSDan>go go go
19:02<HoopyCat>hobot: so how's your network traffic lookin' around five hours ago
19:02<@jed>apparently the e-mails just landed
19:02<hobot>let me go check
19:02<superdug>jed: I want to run a wikileaks mirror and a ToR exit node, that's not going to be a problem is it?
19:02<@jed>hobot: look for open tickets
19:02<superdug>jed: I'm also lying about both things
19:03<@jed>superdug: oh, you're lying?
19:03<pharaun>what's the deal with 2-5 hous ago?
19:03<@jed>superdug: <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>
19:03<hobot>network traffic is fine HoopyCat
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19:03<HoopyCat>pharaun: running fedora 11?
19:03<superdug>jed: perl scripts, c'mon man
19:03<hobot>I have one spice at 8:00 am this morning(like 8 hours ago) and nothing
19:03<Boohemian>what is the best 120 or 128 GB SSD drive i can get under $300 USD?
19:03<pharaun>HoopyCat: nope, 14 on a laptop, debian on the linode, why ?
19:03<pharaun>HoopyCat: oh it EoL?
19:03<superdug>jed: if you're going to delete me, at least give me the structure of python
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19:04<hobot>only open tickets were 6+ months ago jed
19:04<hobot>I dont really care just was interested in the spike
19:05<pharaun>HoopyCat: XD
19:05<HoopyCat>pharaun: ^--- linode network border network congestion
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19:05<pharaun>HoopyCat: ah, newark?
19:06<marcopolous>how can i check how much disk space my node is using, from the command line?
19:06<HoopyCat>marcopolous: df
19:06<GLaDOSDan>marcopolous: df -h
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19:06<pharaun>HoopyCat: hah, signal analysis has infected you! :-p
19:06<HoopyCat>pharaun: scroll up a ways, nothing too interesting :-)
19:08<HoopyCat>sources of images:!_signal and (not safe for sleeping tonight)
19:08<pharaun>HoopyCat: <3
19:08<pharaun>HoopyCat: hah, i just heard some people complaining a little bout some network action but meh
19:08<pharaun>was busy cursing at the build system at work at the time
19:09<HoopyCat>i gotta get some DSD homework done, then i gotta hit the chef some more
19:09<pharaun>HoopyCat: see i told you signal analysis has infected you!
19:09<pharaun>HoopyCat: btw when ya finishing school anyway?
19:10<HoopyCat>pharaun: eventually, perhaps. :-)
19:10<cobianet>anyone know in php?
19:10<cobianet>if I have a string '', how can I get the value of $array['foo']['bar']['test'] without using eval
19:11<GLaDOSDan>#flwd is not very exciting
19:11<HoopyCat>pharaun: i used to answer that by saying "well, one way to not have to pay your student loans back is to die before the grace period expires", but... well, one of my friends did that and it sucked
19:12<pharaun>HoopyCat: ouch >_< but indeed that would've been a funny reply :)
19:12<GLaDOSDan>jed: I got +b'd by the guy running the thing already
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19:16<cobianet>jed look at this
19:16<cobianet>udp 0 0* 737/sshd:
19:16<cobianet>kind of odd don't you think
19:16<cobianet>netstat -anp btw
19:16<GLaDOSDan>Hm, there were only around 15 bots in #flwd
19:17<cobianet>different PID from the real sshd running on tcp 22
19:17<@jed>it might have changed its name - what's ps auxfw say
19:17<cobianet>root 737 0.0 0.2 2212 860 ? Ss Jan13 0:00 sshd:
19:17<cobianet>I'm going to kill and see if it restarts
19:18<cobianet>not yet
19:18<cobianet>tcp 0 0 ESTABLISHED 17606/sshd:
19:18<cobianet>there's another one
19:19<cobianet>and it just started root 17606 0.0 0.2 2204 832 ? Ss 00:18 0:00 sshd:
19:19<cobianet>the question is, how do I find what's starting it
19:20<GLaDOSDan>doesn't that perl script kill exim and try to run underi t?
19:21<pharaun>exploited ?
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19:21<cobianet>[root@li115-126 tmp]# find / -name sshd
19:22<GLaDOSDan>cobianet: exim?
19:22<GLaDOSDan>well, "exim"
19:22<cobianet>no, I do not run exim nor is it installed
19:22<cobianet>no mta
19:23<GLaDOSDan>I mean, that script you linked kills exim
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19:23*GLaDOSDan shrug
19:27<cobianet>cat /proc/17663/cmdline
19:27<cobianet>that makes no sense
19:29<cobianet>hah, found it
19:29<cobianet>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2011-01-29 00:26 exe -> /usr/share/man/man1/.m/sshd:
19:29<cobianet>jed do you want these files before I delete them?
19:29<cobianet>it's their control daemon
19:30<@jed>nah - I got 'em
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19:31<pharaun>0_o exploited box?
19:31<GLaDOSDan>lots of boxes
19:31<cobianet>well you can tell anyone else with a linode, just remove that directory then kill the fake sshd process
19:31<cobianet>and yum update
19:32<pharaun>whats the deal?
19:32<cobianet>it does not restart once the dir is gone
19:32<GLaDOSDan>cobianet: I wouldn't want to continue running a node that had been compromised, though >_>
19:32<cobianet>if you want, I have the backup service running
19:33<pharaun>but do you know when it was compromised?
19:33<cobianet>you could check back to see what date it was taken by looking at the dir
19:33<pharaun>and do you know how they got in, etc ? usually better to smash flat and reinstall tbh
19:33<amitz>pharaun: oh hmm.. I included you in your comment because you said <pharaun> amitz: effort++ :-p get going
19:33<duckydan>This sounds scary.
19:33<pharaun>amitz: pfft
19:34<cobianet>sshd was very old on this box, last update was probably >250 days ago
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19:35<amitz>pharaun: ah.. oh... yeah...just saw the complete thread. oh well :-p
19:35<pharaun>amitz: >:p
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19:47<robinetd>Try again, we didn't quite get it last time.
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19:50<Ovron>Error: Lack of cuda. Add more cuda and try again.
19:55<sirpengi>you mean scotch
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20:11<amitz>scotch emulsion...
20:14<robinetd>emu cannon ftw
20:18<amitz>emo ftw!
20:21*SleePy face palms
20:21<linbot> ...
20:21<SleePy>Somebody in the house decided to turn off the network attached hard drive.. So none of my systems have had backups for about 1 1/2 months :(
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20:22<duckydan>That sucks.
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20:24<SleePy>Oh well.. At least none of the hard drives failed :) Even though they are 10 years old now :D
20:25<robinetd>If turning your NAS off causes hard drive failure, there's something more going on. :(
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20:27<SleePy>I meant the hard drives on the systems :P
20:27<SleePy>Two of my computers are 10 years old (still running like champs) and their hard drives are also old. So I am more worried about them failing at some point
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20:29<duckydan>Just got a Seagate NAS with 2TB from Costco. Little over a hundred bucks US.
20:29<duckydan>Amazing little thing. Works great.
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20:34<tonyfarag>hey everyone... i'm new to VH's, and struggling to get my ruby app up and running.. anybody have good resources ?
20:34<Boohemian>hi -- anyone know any good articles about how to think up a domain name for a new site? i am trying to break into two difficult keywords: "boston" and "cheap places to stay"
20:36<dominikh>I guess is not a good option :D
20:36<Deezire_>with sed, how do i change "^127\.0\.0\.1$"
20:36<Deezire_>I've tried sed -i "s/\^127\\\.0\\\.0\\\.1\$/" /etc/munin/munin-node.conf with no luck
20:37<karstensrage>Boohemian, you need .com?
20:37<karstensrage> is available
20:38<Boohemian>karstensrage: probably dot com would be best
20:38<Boohemian>karstensrage: that sounds more like a tour of boston
20:41<tonyfarag>Deezire_: Dont you need the -e option.. i can't recall off the top of my head
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20:42<Deezire_>gah, this is giving me headacke
20:42<Ovron>is ^ and $ part of the string you're trying to replace?
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20:43<robinetd>Why are you doing "\\\.0"?
20:44<Deezire_>for future refrences
20:44<Deezire_>sed -i "s/\\^127\\\\\\.0\\\\\\.0\\\\\\.1\\$/" /etc/munin/munin-node.conf
20:45<Boohemian>marcopolous: i have been using - thanks!
20:45<Boohemian>wow, namecheap changed its look... the website looks nice now
20:45<amitz>Boohemian: whois command of linux may be faster.
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20:46<marcopolous>Boohemian: if you look at their blog, they link to a site that some dude made, using their api, that makes it even easier to find good ones
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20:59<Captain_Intern>I'm inserting data in to MySQL through PHP reading a CSV, when I do $data[1],$data[0],$data[1] the very first $data[1] concatenates everything before @ for a email address so I only end up with but the second $data[1] works perfectly fine
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21:03<chesty>not that I'm offering to help, but i think you'll need to show example data and code
21:03<tonyfarag>has anyone here deployed a ruby on rails app that can answer a few questions ?
21:04<karstensrage>my rails apps never answer questions
21:05<tonyfarag>youre rails questions don't get answered?
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21:05<karstensrage>no my rails apps dont answer questions
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21:06<tonyfarag>ha.. i see it now
21:06<tonyfarag>do i need to modify my apache.conf for passenger /
21:06<tonyfarag>that's how tired I am
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21:19<karstensrage>sorry, cant help you, i dont do rails
21:19<dominikh>I guess the passenger readme covers that
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21:22<amitz>am I the only one but recently I see too many of potential urmom jokes, most are unfunny -_-
21:23<chesty>like urmom
21:23<amitz>I don't do urmom, and I guess urmom doesn't cover it.
21:27<amitz>quick questions, suppose I add someone into bbm contact list. Can I later drop him/her from my contact list?
21:28<amitz>without me getting permanent damage/disadvantages.
21:28<amitz>like they can someone grab the whole bbm pin of everyone in certain group?
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21:32<kapeels>what happens if I hit the memory limit of my linode?
21:32<kapeels>does it just crashes?
21:32<@pparadis>if you run out of physical memory, and out of virtual memory, you OOM.
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21:33<@pparadis>if you find yourself heavily into swap, you need more real memory.
21:33<chesty>or just increase your swap to 6 gigs
21:33<@pparadis>OOM = Out Of Memory, where the kernel tries to kill things to save the system (and usually does a bad job of it)
21:34<@pparadis>please note that chesty is not serious. do not follow that.
21:34<chesty>i was trolling pparadis
21:34<SleePy>You also may need to optimize services :P Apache has a bad habit of ram usage :(
21:34<@pparadis>chesty: i know, but people who don't know better will actually do things like that
21:34<chesty>i know, that's why it's such an effective troll :P
21:35<kapeels>and what happens when I run out ofmy bandwidth?
21:35<Peng>kapeels: There's nothing Linode-specific about running out of RAM.
21:36<kapeels>Peng: yep ... was just asking
21:36<Peng>!f transfer
21:36<linbot>Peng: What if I go over my monthly network data transfer? Transfer quotas are soft caps. If you go over by a few GB we usually won't invoice. We also send an e-mail when you reach 80% of your monthly quota. If you believe you will have overages consistently, you can purchase additional transfer or upgrade to the next plan level. Additional transfer is currently $0.10/GB. (60.999%)
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21:36*daemonic is going through root cause tickets, 90% being OOM panics
21:36<chesty>10c if you buy in advance
21:36<chesty>15c if you don't
21:37<Peng>SelfishMan: The skynet transfer factoid should be updated to note that overages are $0.15/GB.
21:37<kapeels>i wish there would have been a unlimited transfer plan for linode :-/
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21:38<SelfishMan>Peng: skynet started making it's own decisions a long time ago
21:38<Peng>kapeels: If you really need huge amounts of transfer, file a ticket. Maybe you can work something out.
21:38<chesty>there's no such thing as unlimited
21:38<SelfishMan>I can no longer influence what it states
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21:38<kapeels>Peng: :O really?
21:39<Peng>kapeels: Maybe.
21:39<dominikh>"unlimited" transfer plan is a harbinger for absolutely shit service, overselling and totally slow transfers :)
21:39<kapeels>i used up 14gb in 8 hours
21:39<Peng>kapeels: Presumably you want unmetered transfer at a certain bitrate?
21:39<Peng>!f 14 GB / 8 hours in Mbps
21:39<linbot>Peng: This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
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21:40<Peng>3.9 Mbps
21:40<Peng>Or 4.2 Mbps for base 2.
21:40<kapeels>it's not contstant .. it's around 2 - 4 mbps every two hours..
21:41<kapeels>i am looking at the graph
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21:41<Peng>kapeels: Just curious, what's using all this transfer?
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21:41<Peng>Hmm, 3 Mbps is 1 TB/month.
21:41<Peng>Not very much.
21:42<kapeels>Peng: ^
21:42<Peng>Or 900 GiB.
21:42<Peng>I don't remember if Linode uses GB or GiB.
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21:43<dominikh>GB iirc
21:43<Peng>Yeah, I think so, but I'm not sure
21:43<chesty>kapeels: people get pissed off with twitter things that send tweets on their behalf
21:43<kapeels>i am planning to get the Linode 1536 one
21:44<kapeels>you have ability not to let my thing do that :P
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21:44<kapeels>oh .. i think i hadn't removed the message after adding the "ability" .. crap
21:44*kapeels opens filezilla
21:46<auraka>Peng: actually 960
21:47<kapeels>i am planning to increase the capacity by 3 folds .. so that will be 3 TB..
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21:47<kapeels>but I don't really need much CPU or memory .. i'd be good with a 2 gb linode..
21:48<SelfishMan>Peng: !newcalc
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21:50<Peng>Really? I thought !newcalc was whiny too
21:50<Peng>!newcalc 14 GB / 8 hours in Mbps
21:50<linbot>Peng: You broke teh goog!
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21:53<kapeels>When I had checked 8-9 hours ago, it said 36% of 200 gb used .. and as I am checking it now, it says 45% so 9% of 200 = 18!
21:53<kapeels>!newcalc 18 GB / 9 hours in Mbps
21:53<linbot>kapeels: You broke teh goog!
21:53<kapeels>!calc 18 GB / 9 hours in Mbps
21:53<linbot>kapeels: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:55<chesty>!newercalc 18 GB / 9 hours in Mbps
21:55<linbot>chesty: urmom
21:55<chesty>no, yours
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22:42<MTecknology>so.. I've been trying to sync data out to my linode for about 2.5hr now
22:42<MTecknology>hm.. did i repeat that?
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22:46<MTecknology>I'm sorry, but you've triggered our Cross-Site Request Forgery (CSRF) prevention measure.
22:47<amitz>wat, where?
22:47<MTecknology>trying to add an a record
22:47<Peng>Yeah, the manager is a little paranoid.
22:47<Peng>Better than being not paranoid enough.
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22:50<MTecknology>if I've been getting spammed for a long time from a few IP's, is it possible for linode to do anything?
22:50<bung>just looking for advice on doing a clean install without losing downtime. If for instance I partitioned my linode and installed an os on it (assuming thats possible) can i do that chroot thing into it and build a system, copy some data, and when im done remove the original partition?
22:50<Peng>MTecknology: In what way? Firewall the IPs at the router?
22:50<MTecknology>Peng: ya
22:50<@caker>MTecknology: from Linode IPs? Otherwise no: "Welcome to the Internet"
22:50<Peng>bung: Probably, but you'd have to reboot after creating hte new partition... :D
22:50<bung>sure a couple reboots are ok
22:51<bung>i just dont want to take it down while i try stuff over the weekend
22:51<Peng>bung: What about creating a new node? They're prorated to the day, so you're only out a couple bucks if you cancel it quickly.
22:51<bung>is it easy to transfer data across them?
22:51<Peng>bung: Sure, copy the disk images, or just rsync.
22:52<Peng>bung: You can set everything up on the new node and then change your A records to the new IP (adjusting the TTLs ahead of time, of course), or swap your old IPs to the new node and cancel your old node, or copy the new disk images to your old node and cancel the new node.
22:52<bung>well disk image would include the softwre i dont want
22:52<MTecknology>caker: alrighty; i was just hoping it's been going on for a couple months now and I have it stopped at the nginx and will toss a list into hosts.deny; but I was just hoping for the chance to go higher
22:52<bung>rsync sounds like alot of work,
22:52<Peng>bung: Not really.
22:52<bung>i could just make a db backup and tar up some www folders and download them on the other machine
22:53<MTecknology>caker: I tried contacting the ISP's but you can imagine how well that went
22:53<Peng>bung: rsync would be an easy way to do that.
22:53<Peng>MTecknology: Welcome to the Internet.
22:53<bung>what are TTLs
22:53<MTecknology>time to live
22:53<Peng>bung: Time to Live. The amount of time DNS records should be cached.
22:53<MTecknology>Peng: um.. that didn't even make sense with what i just said
22:53<@heckman>MTecknology: We could always null-route you. The spam would definitely stop...bwahaha. jk
22:54<bung>im really just going to move some databases and ww folders over :) i only host 3 sites
22:54<Peng>bung: Be careful. It's easy to forget some obscure configuration file or piece of software.
22:54<MTecknology>heckman: I kind of did that with the target website.. just took it offline
22:54<bung>well thats kinda it, im building a new server
22:56<bung>but i guess i should ask, if i go from apache to lighty, and go from postfix/clam to google apps, is that going to leave a mess?
22:57<bung>setting up a new one has the added benefit of learning myself a bit
23:00<MTecknology>ok... an entry in denyhosts that's just ALL: should block everything from that IP, right?
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23:02*bung wonders if he melted Peng's brain with stupidity
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23:06<amitz>there is no such thing as stupid query, there is only stupid questioner.
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23:06*amitz hides
23:07<bung>thats what I meant actually
23:07<bung>"with *his own* stupidity"
23:08<bung>althought im not really sure i like the statement anyways
23:08<bung>stupid questioners can ask stupid questions and non-stupid questions cant that?
23:09<Peng>bung: My brain melted long ago. You just made it bubble a bit. :D
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23:10<Peng>bung: I dunno. It's up to you. Sure, leaving around a couple dozen Apache configuration files is a little messy, but who really cares?
23:10<bung>i guess so
23:10<bung>just when i did some security and email guides from the wiki or whever it was the first time i ever did that stuff
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23:10<Peng>bung: Setting it up on a different node would be the easiest way to keep your old website up while you're working, of course.
23:12<levvie>hey guys -- I just noticed something extremely weird. I was just playing around with stuff (to be precise, with a python microframework --bottle), when all of a sudden, loading the page I was playing with.. and accessing that newly created page with chrome, I see in the bar: Waiting for actually it alternates, sometimes it does say waiting for, but other times it's superfish... any clue what the hell
23:12<MTecknology>I just redirected their spam back at them
23:12<MTecknology>just changed the dns record to point at one of there ip's
23:13<MTecknology>seems to have cut out about 80% of it.. why didn't I do this before?
23:13<levvie>what are you talking about?
23:13<Peng>MTecknology: That can't be a good idea.
23:13<MTecknology>levvie: a lot of IP's were trying to spam my site exactly the same way for a few months; i'm finally getting sick of it
23:14<levvie>MTecknology: when you say "the same way" -- what do you mean?
23:14<levvie>i.e., was that in reference to what I said?
23:15<MTecknology>levvie: nothing about you
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23:15<levvie>okie dokie
23:15<MTecknology>Peng: it worked though; that's the colosest to router level I'll get; they're still going after the one IP but it's a whole lot less
23:16<levvie>well, as for my problem - my hunch is it's nothing to do with my linode
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23:16<levvie>well, actually I have no idea. but none of this makes very much sense :(
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23:16<Peng> is a pretty good domain.
23:17<levvie>I hope I made clear that I have absolyutely no connection with it
23:17<levvie>which is the reason I'm going o.0 and 0.o
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23:17<Peng>Maybe some other tab is loading it?
23:17<auraka>levvie: don't worry....Peng owns some interesting domains.... *cough*
23:18<Peng>That sounds like a fun idea.
23:18*auraka nods
23:18<levvie>Peng: that is what I was thinking. because having opened a clean chrome ignito window, I'm no longer getting the thing
23:18<auraka>Can we make the picture of jed at disney land/world the logo?
23:18<Peng> is related to Plenty of Fish?
23:19<levvie>sorry, no, that was a typo. and no, I don't go about searching for debates at (if I would, I'd rather go on anyway) - that was a freudian slip 'cause I was having a discussion about it to someone just very recently
23:19<levvie>why did I have to explain all that. just, nevermind :)
23:19<levvie>shut up!
23:20<levvie>debates? *dates. goodness gracious I'm shutting up
23:20<bung>im intested in using a stackscript, particularly this one ... but it starts with lots of commented lines, makes me wonder if Im supposed to uncomment some of them, any idea?
23:21<kerozane>levvie: have you tried using chrome's resource tracker?
23:22<levvie>never used that thing - is that a utility native to chrome or is it some sort of extension or something
23:23<bung>that stackscript also calls some of the functions from this one ... however #41 is missing version numbers for suhosin and php, isn't that a problem? Or is #41 actually filled out whenever #360 looks for it when run (I've never used SSs before)
23:24<kerozane>levvie: on windows, ctrl+shift+i. on mac, cmd+option+i iirc
23:24<kerozane>on linux, just write a shell script
23:25<Peng>(I didn't click on and I do not know what it is.)
23:25<amitz>i will one day achieve a level of notorierity where people will mention about amitz's slip.
23:25<amitz>oh wait...
23:25<Peng>levvie: I think saying "debate" instead of "date" is a good thing.
23:26<Peng>levvie: Unless it says something unfortunate about how you regard dating...
23:26<kerozane>I clicked on it because I thought it was to do with the superfish js lib
23:26<kerozane>but it wasn't
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23:28<levvie>kerozane: alright, having opened _my_ site, there are some weird things (sf_conduit.jsp for example) listed in the resources tracker
23:29<levvie>and absolutely without reason. HOWWWWWWWWWW
23:29<kerozane>that's 'I don't know' in hebrew
23:31<levvie>kerozane: could you check for me, maybe - see if you get it to? go to url in my whois/todo please
23:32<levvie>well actually I see the same stuff on simple tld too so with or without /todo, whatever
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23:33<jared>When routing my domain to Linode do I have to make sure to include all of the different ns*'s? The .to TLD only supports room for 4
23:33<jared>obviously Linode has 5, so... problem
23:33<dominikh>jared: the more the better, but you don't need all 6.
23:33<jared>ok great
23:33<dominikh>(or 5, heh)
23:33<dominikh>jared: they're basically fallbacks
23:34<jared>Where can I find the nameserver IPs on those? Resolv.conf only shows two
23:34<kerozane>levvie: I don't see anything strange
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23:39<levvie>levvie: it's actually gone now for me as well. however, at one point in time - when I only had only once instance of chrome incognito window open, I was seeing the fish url there... well, in any case, I'll bug you at the soonest I see it myself again
23:39<levvie>s/only once/one/
23:40<@Perihelion>How does yourself feel about that
23:41<bixgomez>Hi, I have a Debian Linode. How do I "sudo" in order to edit a file via SFTP?
23:41<bixgomez>I prefer not to be logged in as "root"
23:42<bung>ah-ha, stack scripts are something i have to paste in, ok that makes sense
23:42<bung>where do they get these though source <ssinclude StackScriptID="41">
23:43<amitz>the source of script number 41.
23:44<bung>but there are no scripts in my stackscripts page in my linode manager
23:44<bung>so they're referring to some internal ones? how do I know they're configured with lastest version of some software
23:44<@caker>bung: those would be local to your account only. The public ones you can get to when you deploy (see also: StackScripts)
23:45<bung>ah, so i have to try deplying a new server first and ill see builtin ones
23:46<bung>public ones
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23:48<bung>if i start a linode month-to-month, i can move to a year and get the discount?
23:48<bung>in a few days
23:49<amitz>yes, at least you'll have to open a ticket.
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23:50<amitz>assuming you're not thinking what i'm thinking.
23:50<bung>what am i thinking?
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23:51<@heckman>mind === blown
23:51<kapeels>"free" shows real memory?
23:51<bung>err watre you worried about?
23:51<@heckman>mind == blown
23:52<amitz>bung: on cellphone, difficult to type. maybe you can clarify what you mean?
23:52<amitz>*cue twilight zone song interleaved with inception's*
23:53<levvie>ah, well, it happens with every site. (but doesn't happen with any site when in chrome incognito mode)
23:54<kerozane>but here's where the plot thickens. that site told me it had no extension for my browser
23:54<bung>i have a linode, its billing date is in a few days, im starting a new linode to do something fresh, if i dont finish in time i dont want to be billed for two for a year and then cancel one. id rather start the 2nd month to month, and if it takes me a month OK, then upgrade to a year payment for a discount
23:54<levvie>kerozane: said the same thing to me
23:55<kerozane>where is sf_conduit.jsp hosted?
23:55<levvie>well, I'll try isolating which extension it is.
23:56<levvie>resources tracker says:
23:56<levvie>and btw beside that, there's also sf_conduit.js -- which is located at
23:57<kerozane>the network timeline should give you a clue as to what is loading that
23:57<levvie>ahah, found the culprit
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23:58<levvie>it's that thing. when I disable it - I don't see superfish, when I enable it, I do
23:58<pharaun>heckman: i thought your mind was always blown?
23:58<levvie>how very disappointing, because that's a neat little extension. it's been helpful for me
23:58<kerozane>that looks like the kind of extension you don't want to have
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23:59<linbot>SelfishMan: Point (0.78083566, 0.92096413) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 17600 of 22383 (π ≈ 3.145244158513157 - 0.003651504923364)
23:59<amitz>bung: you can also open a ticket to ask.
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