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#linode IRC Logs for 2011-02-27

---Logopened Sun Feb 27 00:00:02 2011
---Daychanged Sun Feb 27 2011
00:00<Ovron>apt-file is also yummie, while we're on this subject
00:00<MJCS>never used cache
00:00<HarryD>i like the way pacman does it
00:00<pharaun>Getty: your work is complete :p
00:00<pharaun>VI OR EMACS?!
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00:01<Getty>oh damn... i need cloudlinux cause: "With CloudLinux, you can increase the number of accounts you can host on one server"
00:01<HarryD>to what>
00:01<Ovron>ångström \o/
00:01<Getty>dude... its cloud!!!
00:01<pharaun>TO THE CLOUD!
00:01<Ovron>the cloud!
00:01<Maff>shit man
00:02<Getty>ZOMBO.COM!!! aehm CLOUD!
00:02<Maff>I always thought I was limited to 1 account
00:02<pharaun>increase linode's profit nao!
00:02<Quicksilver>u guys mad u dont have clouds?
00:02<Maff>cloud computing, u mad?
00:02<Ovron>yep, CloudLinix revolutionized the concept of multi-user OSes
00:02<Ovron>so awesome
00:02<MJCS>i haz cloud
00:02<Getty>clouddrugs! cause marketing isnt insane enough
00:02<Quicksilver>linode, y u no cloudready?
00:02<HarryD>Quicksilver: linode is not hooked up to the internet
00:02<pharaun>i always thought linode was cloud ready! \o/
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00:03<Getty>pharaun: NO CLOUDLINUX, NO CLOUD READY!
00:03<Getty>pharaun: accept the realities
00:03<pharaun>Getty: >:(
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00:04<Getty>knock knock
00:04<pharaun>on topic of terrible things, anyone got that link to that funny firefox/webkit/social browser thing?
00:04<Getty>KNOCK KNOCK
00:05<Maff>or do you mean the new one
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00:05<pharaun>Maff: i think i mean the..... "worse" one
00:05<Ovron>or do you mean the even worse one, spark browser?
00:05<Ovron>the kid?
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00:05<Maff>so that new one
00:05<pharaun>spark browser
00:05<Getty>spark browser! <makeacross>
00:05<Getty>we laughed already about that
00:05<Getty>dont repeat!
00:05<Ovron>yes, twie!
00:05<Ovron>twice *
00:05<Ovron>He has updated the site, dude!
00:05<Getty>oh really?
00:06<shannonvanwagner>anyone know if #scale-chat is avail on linode?
00:06<pharaun>yes totally
00:06<Ovron>He is selling Spark OS as well
00:06<shannonvanwagner>probably a silly question
00:06<pharaun>lol broken links \o/
00:06<pharaun>shannonvanwagner: what is scale-chat ?
00:06<Getty>ovron: so after not being able to make a browser, he tries to make an OS?
00:06<MJCS>@notch: Entire company steps on a cross Atlantic flight -> immediately dies. Sorry! :(
00:06<Ovron>Getty: not only tries, but he is apparently selling something for 500usd or whatever it was
00:06<pharaun>check out his amazing blog page! \o/
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00:07<pharaun>shannonvanwagner: oh, would have to ask an op but i don't think so atm
00:07<Getty>he sells a browser?!?!
00:07<Getty>i do the wrong business concept
00:07<praetorian>i can sell you a browser
00:07<praetorian>netscape 3.0
00:07<Ovron>" is the home of spark products, media player, browser and operating system these products are the premium line of web applications from christopher reeves design. These products rank up high numbers of downloads, this brand is dedicated to custom software and premium software."
00:07<Getty>i should shell linux licenses, and sell firefox, and sell HTTP requests
00:08<Maff>christofer reeves design?
00:08<Ovron> <-- check the bottom right quadrant
00:08<Maff>Isn't he that one guy
00:08<Getty>contact us:
00:08<pharaun>Maff: superman?
00:08<Maff>hell I don't know
00:08<Maff>he's an actor or a wheelchair guy or something
00:08<Ovron>he uses a series of cloud browsers!
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00:09<pharaun>Maff: yes that guy, died a few years ago, used to be big in advocating for... i think brain/spinal injuries
00:09<pharaun>Maff: he played as superman
00:09<Ovron>fell of a horse, didn't he?
00:09<pharaun>Ovron: for the spinal injury, yes i believe so
00:09<Getty>checkout the follow us page..........
00:10<Getty>it looks like he wants to "sell" gmail like its twitter or something
00:10<Ovron>check his twitter
00:10<Getty>that dude seriously has drug issues
00:10<Maff>"Many users download files"
00:10<Maff>no shit
00:10<Ovron>he has 4 followers, yet claims he has 25000 subscribers :)
00:10<pharaun>\o/ twitter is not working, saving me from his insanity
00:11<Getty>ok who register it now?
00:11<pharaun>Custom Website Themes for $399.99 all winter long, due to an influx in capital from we can now provide 100+ page websites for only $399.99 read more
00:11<linbot>New news from forums: PPTPd routing all traffic into VPN in Linux Networking <>
00:11<Maff>You can get drtailed responses from their staff!!!
00:12<Ovron> :DD
00:12<pharaun>\o/ win!
00:12<Ovron>"Python is similar to Mathematica in its math functions and ability to calculate precise answers."
00:12<Ovron>I am not even sure if to laugh or cry
00:13<HarryD>Ovron: laugh
00:13<pharaun>Ovron: cry man, cry
00:13<Maff> HTTP 404
00:13<Getty>the twitter is still free.............
00:13<Getty>noone wants to fopp him? ;)
00:13<pharaun>business templates -> cnn :p
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00:14<Ovron> oh god :))
00:14<Maff>This dude looks like he's 12
00:14<Getty>oh dear..........
00:14<Getty>ovron: i hate you ;)
00:14<pharaun>all sites should be 228 bit encrypted or RSA encrypted if dealing with ecommerce
00:15<Ovron>someone stalked out here last time, that he was a high school student
00:15<Ovron>Getty: why? :(
00:15<Getty>ovron: cause you show this ugly urls!
00:15<Maff>and the woman wearing sparkbrowser merchandise looks like she's his mother
00:15<pharaun>Maff: probably is :)
00:15<Ovron>Getty: :(
00:15<Ovron>" All sites i build should have email, unlimited bandwidth, 99.99% uptime, as well as dedicated ip addresses, and other features to help SEO rankings by search engines"
00:16<pharaun>don't get me started on SEO
00:16<Maff>Look at the front page of his website
00:16<Maff>scroll down to the bottom
00:16<Getty>Ovron: i take it back
00:16<Getty>Ovron: pharaun just topped you
00:17<Maff>that is his "SEO"
00:17<pharaun>Maff: haha nah i just bet that he's using something like that
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00:18<Ovron>try closing that while having javascript enabled :p
00:18<amitz>quick, chinese portal, uncensored one!
00:18<pharaun>amitz: wat
00:19<Getty>dudes seriously, the twitter is still free ;) why noone already jumps on it
00:20<Kuukunen>"Christopher reeves design can provide custom SEO to your market, for only $500 you can have a web advertising campaign, page rank from Google, as well as TV ads."
00:20<Kuukunen>tv ads, whoa!
00:20<pharaun>Getty: because we are all afraid of a vomit storm from that dude
00:20<Getty>pharaun: LOL
00:20<Getty>pharaun: you lie
00:20<Getty>you are just lazy
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00:21<Ovron>he might be a complete jackass, but I still don't want to screw him over - he's doing it fine himself
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00:22<Getty>Ovron: hahaha
00:22<pharaun>you know what, i'm kind of "tempted" to try out this spark browser just for more lulz... in a disposable computer that is being held over a trash compressor ofc!
00:22<Getty>pharaun: i did tested it out
00:22<Getty>pharaun: its exactly how you suggest
00:22<Getty>pharaun: some windows application that looks like experimental hacked together
00:23<Getty>i bet he did it with VB using the IE-include or something
00:23<pharaun>according to him its a dual render browser with webkit included!
00:23<Ovron>version one used two renderers since one was too slow!!
00:23<Ovron>yeah :D
00:23<Getty>according to me the world is just a pinball in a huge flipper
00:24<Ovron>should be able to reflect his executable and see if he is doing anything dirty
00:24<Getty>i think i'm more right then him ;)
00:24<pharaun>Ovron: you know i'm kind of honestly curious on that
00:24<Maff>I think it's funny his website says he's written websites in
00:24<pharaun>wat. you can 0_o
00:25<Getty>Maff: i did it with bash, you can do it with anything ;)
00:25<Maff>but it's shitty and he deserves no respect :p
00:25<Ovron>I think we established that the first time we talked about it
00:25<Ovron>around 4 months ago
00:25<Getty>death to sparkbrowser
00:25<Maff>I was not with linode four months ago D:
00:26<Getty>Maff: you missed the fun
00:26<swaj>this sparkbrowser shit is like an online trainwreck
00:26<swaj>how can someone be that stupid?
00:26<Getty>my tweet about #sparkbrowser is already not findable by twitter
00:26<Getty>too unimportant ;)
00:26<Getty>swaj: reality lose
00:26<Getty>swaj: he watched too much "lost" or something
00:26<Ovron>downloading it to see if he does anything dirty
00:26<Getty>or 2 and a half men
00:27<swaj>the site is full of horrible grammar, incomplete sentences, and mispelled words
00:27<pharaun>Ovron: make sure its on a disposable laptop that you are prepared to burn
00:27<Getty>pharaun: are you serious thinking that he is even able todo something evil? ;)
00:27<pharaun>Getty: he already does, SEO!
00:27<Getty>ok point for you
00:28<Maff>Sparkbrowser is preloaded with HTML! And even has a dual-core rendering engine!
00:28<Getty>isnt this, this standard for this cloud thing?
00:28<Maff>dude I wish my browser came preloaded with HTML
00:28<pharaun>no, i'm serious, google was having and i think they are still having some serious problem with SEO people pushing up garbage results, its better now i think esp with Stack overflow sites
00:28<Getty>oh yes, SEO, CLOUD AND MULTIMEDIA!
00:28<swaj> -- 404 page for his $500 Spark-OS. And the 404 is from his webhost with tons of spam.
00:29<Getty>sounds like....... i dont say it ;)
00:29<Ovron>no way
00:30<Getty>yeah its a windows application
00:30<Ovron>yeah, but that's the title of it
00:30<Ovron>the default visual studio name
00:30<Maff>I bet he wrote it in :o
00:30<Getty>i told you!
00:30<Getty> with IE include
00:30<Maff>I mean the browser D:
00:30<Getty>yeah me too
00:30<Maff>oh right
00:31<Maff>so this dual core rendering engine
00:31<pharaun>Getty: <--- lists VS 2010 :p
00:31<robinetd>You can't handle the truth!
00:31<Getty>truth is overrated
00:31<Maff>what's dual core about it :P
00:31<Getty>Maff: ITS CLOUD!
00:31<Getty>oh wait no.... that was cloudlinux
00:31<Getty>Maff: ITS DUAL!!!!!
00:31<praetorian>is it webscale?
00:31<Ovron>Form1, Form2, Form3, Form4
00:31<Getty>YEAH! ITS MONGO!
00:31<robinetd>ENTERPRISE cloud. \o/
00:32<praetorian>does it have the 3gees and the whyfrys
00:32<Maff>Try and make it crash
00:32<Maff>Then look at the debug info in visual studio
00:32<Getty>praetorian: whyfries?
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00:32<praetorian>sound it out
00:32<Maff>he probably didn't even switch it from debug to release before uploading it :P
00:32<Getty>Maff: you suggest he knows what he does
00:33<thorrr>i dont understand godaddy
00:33<thorrr>why is it so complicated
00:33<pharaun>thorrr: whats there to understand about godaddy :p
00:33<Maff>they are not meant to be understood, thorrr
00:33<thorrr>pharaun: how to do anything
00:33<pharaun>thorrr: basically the thing with godaddy and lots of domain stuff, is domain reselling/etc is so cheap/narrow margin so they try to upsell everything to you
00:34<Getty>pharaun: actually that is what i "like" on godaddy
00:34<pharaun>thorrr: so its to their benefit to make it complicated/tricky/icky so you'll hopefully randomly click on one of their upsell
00:34<thorrr>indeed says the 37 popups/menus
00:34<thorrr>good point
00:34<Getty>pharaun: i can give it to people who ask me where to go, and they can decide how much they buy from them ;)
00:35<pharaun>thorrr: its cheap, and it "works" if you are able to stomach and ignore the upsell, i use them atm and i point them to my linode DNS and do all the rest of my dns shit from linode dns
00:35<Getty>ok i wanna go to bed, some last words for me on the way?
00:35<thorrr>pharaun: yeah, i also use them, and point them to my linode
00:35<MJCS>can you do a du -h and just could the size of the folder?
00:35<pharaun>Getty: heh nite, may you dream of sparkbrowser :>
00:35<MJCS>instead of counting all the files in the foldeer
00:35<Getty>tomorrow i will buy CloudLinux and SparkOS, so that i can start serious IT business
00:35<thorrr>pharaun: just everytime i have to do something from their site it makes me cringe
00:35<Ovron>this is pretty funny :p
00:35<Getty>wasted all day with those free products... i'm stupid
00:36<pharaun>MJCS: eh? i would have to look it up but i think du -hs (s - summary)
00:36<MJCS>no thats gives you overall
00:36<MJCS>not for each folder
00:36<pharaun>MJCS: so you want the size of each directory recursively?
00:37<MJCS>and files that arent in a sub dir if any
00:37<MJCS>so /root/ and bar/
00:37<MJCS>i would want a size for foo and size for bar without listing all the files in bar
00:38<cdzz>MJCS: du -h --max-depth=1
00:38<pharaun>MJCS: just doing du -h does that, and to limit the depth do max-depth
00:38<pharaun>ah ^^^^ at cdzz
00:38<pharaun>Getty: probably his mom
00:39<Getty>ok you really get girls for everything
00:39<Getty>pharaun: hot milf ;)
00:39<cdzz>and I usually alias duh='du -h --max-depth=1' to make that easier.
00:39<pharaun>cdzz: \o/
00:39<Getty>duh duh duh.....
00:39<pharaun>cdzz: i do the exactly the same, i have duh and duha
00:40<pharaun>duh - filters the .dotdir and duha includes everything
00:40<Getty>duh duha duh duha
00:40<Getty>more rythm
00:46<MJCS> is trying to brute me too
00:47<Getty>dont cry
00:47<pharaun>MJCS: stop, hammer time!
00:48<Ovron>my auth.log contains 12965 failed logins since last rotation \o/
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00:50<Getty>and of course in clean:
00:50<@Perihelion>Hearts for all!
00:51<robinetd>Perihelion: Do you know how much a polar bear weighs?
00:51<@Perihelion>Enough to break the ice
00:51<@Perihelion>Hi my names amanda
00:51<robinetd>Someones seen the same commercial I saw. :(
00:51<@Perihelion>That totally worked on my ex
00:51<MJCS>with fail2ban can you set multiple ignore ips
00:52<robinetd>Perihelion: My name is Dakota. \o
00:53<robinetd>And I'm about to go turn off my television because there's some weird show on that's getting on my nerves. Something about tylers house.
00:53<@Perihelion>tyler perry's house of payne?
00:53<robinetd>Sounds like it.
00:53<robinetd>Ooh, everybody loves raymond is on. :D
00:54<@Perihelion>I'd be lying if I said I wasn't watching the Disney Channel right now
00:54<@Perihelion>No judgement
00:54<robinetd>What's on there that you're interested in? :o
00:54<@Perihelion>Nothing atm
00:54<@Perihelion>It's just been on
00:54<robinetd>HOO! is back up.
00:55*robinetd was getting displeased.
00:56*Perihelion compiles things
00:56<robinetd>yay compiling.
00:56<robinetd>make -j256
00:56<@Perihelion>it's just an IRCd
00:56<@Perihelion>It's done in like 30 seconds anyway
00:57<robinetd>Are you starting your own network?
00:57<robinetd>PerihelionNet. :D
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00:57<avenj>pretty sure she's already got servers
00:57*avenj pays some minor amount of attention, sometimes
00:58<avenj>the attention part? no, not at all
00:58<robinetd>Also, I've decided that eveonline is too complex for me. :(
00:59<robinetd>"do this, this and this. Wait five hours for your skills to finish training. Then do this." :(
00:59<robinetd>Maybe I just like action games better.
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01:00<avenj>urbanterror ftw
01:00<avenj>'shoot this guy, and that guy, and that other guy'
01:00<avenj>I like to keep things simple
01:00<@Perihelion>avenj is correct :P
01:01<avenj>yeah, first time this year!
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01:03<robinetd>Perihelion: So do you use osx on your macbook pro?
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01:06<@Perihelion>robinetd: And linux sometimes
01:08<robinetd>teh lunix
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01:08<pharaun>i like to call it loonix from time to time
01:09<robinetd>I like to go into ubuntu help channels and claim that lunix is violating SCO patents.
01:09<Ovron>kolibrios superior
01:09<robinetd>I don't do it often, but it's pretty funny to do it even just once a year. :>
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01:14<Boohemian>how's it going?
01:14<robinetd>Good, you?
01:14*robinetd is fighting with himself about buying a macbook pro.
01:15<robinetd>It's something like "no, don't do it", then I move two feet in the other direction, face the other way and slap the crap out of the air. This goes on for some time.
01:15<robinetd>Still haven't reached a conclusion. :O
01:19<robinetd>My main reason for considering it is that my desktop is getting on my nerves, and the new 13" mbp would be better in almost all ways. The only part it'd fall short is the video card, and that's not a big deal. Plays minecraft fine. \o/
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01:23<auraka>i bought a macbook and will never go back to a pc
01:24<auraka>just better overall hardware
01:25<robinetd>The macbook pro also has bluetooth. I don't have any bluetooth devices though.
01:27<@Perihelion>I always get bluetooth capabilities on the off chance that I'll have a device
01:27<@Perihelion>Cuz I know as soon as I dont have support, then I'll end up buying something that needs it
01:29<robinetd>The main thing attracting me is that it's actually pretty cheap for the hardware I'd be getting.
01:30<robinetd>I only have 2GB DDR2 in my desktop. So 4GB with a maximum of 8GB DDR3 is snazzy.
01:30<Ovron>did they release the 13" with i5/i7 yet, or still c2d?
01:30<robinetd>also i7, but I'm getting the i5.
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01:31<robinetd>Tax is like $70 though. Real pain in the ass. :(
01:32<Ovron>ewww, the 13" doesn't have a discrete GPU?
01:32<Ovron>I thought the old one did :/
01:32<robinetd>The old one may, but the HD 3000 preforms pretty nicely.
01:33<robinetd>Apparently it can play SC2 at low settings at like 90fps.
01:33<robinetd>I'm surprised it plays SC2 at all.
01:33<robinetd>Tax is $71.94.
01:34<Void|work>none of the 13" mb's have ever had a discrete GPU
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01:34<robinetd>Void|work: We're talking about macbook pros.
01:34<Void|work>them neither
01:34<robinetd>I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
01:35<robinetd>Perihelion: You're the judging force. Is Void|work wrong? :o
01:35<Void|work>[CITATION NEEDED]
01:35<Ovron>the 13.3" non-pro macbook which still uses c2d, has an nvidia 320M
01:35<robinetd>Void|work: [GETTING IT]
01:35<Ovron>so... your argument is flawed there ;p
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01:35<Void|work>the 320M uses your RAM
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01:37<Ovron>at least it could do cuda ;<
01:38<Void|work>hah actually, i'm wrong
01:38<Void|work>it has dedicated RAM *and* uses shared RAM
01:38<Ovron>I don't think you are, the site says it has 256MB shared with RAM
01:38<Ovron>for the non-pro
01:38<Void|work>shows it has dedicated memory
01:38<Ovron>that's the pro
01:39<Ovron>which is now discontinued; those did have dedicated vram, yeah
01:39<Ovron>The new 13" MBP, has that intel hd 3000
01:39<Ovron>disappointing :<
01:39<Void|work>I'd rather a mba anyway
01:40<Void|work>because i'm a raging hipster
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01:40<Ovron>the hd 3000 uses 384 MB RAM for itself
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01:41<Ovron>at minimum ;o
01:42<Ovron>oh, they upgraded the 15 and 17" as well
01:42<Void|work>i'm a bit irked they didn't upgrade the 13" display
01:43<robinetd>What's wrong with the 13" display?
01:43<Ovron>hmm what's up with apple
01:43<Void|work>robinetd: the res on the 13" mba is 1440x900
01:43<Ovron>I am checking their prices for upgrades on the swedish site, and it isn't ridiculously expensive anymore
01:43<Void|work>the res on the 13" mbp is 1280x800
01:44<robinetd>Meh. It'll be plugged into a 24" display most of the time anyway for me.
01:44<Ovron>910 SEK for 128GB SSD instead, 1820 SEK for 8GB instead of 4GB RAM - it is more than you'd pay usual, but it isn't normal appleness
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01:44<Void|work>yeah they're getting better OVron
01:46<Ovron>22724 SEK (3534 USD) for the 15" with the better GPU and CPU, 8GB RAM and 128GB SSD
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01:47<Ovron>hmmm are the i7s they use the ones with 4 physical cores, or are they being funny with HT, adding those to the count >:(
01:48<robinetd>Ovron: The ones they list as quad cores have 4 real cores.
01:49<Ovron>my next laptop might be a mbp, when this one gets too old <3
01:52<Boohemian>robinetd: it's going
01:52<Boohemian>robinetd: i can't find anything better
01:52<Boohemian>robinetd: i wish i could get rid of my 17 mbp, but there's just no comparison :/
01:54<robinetd>Boohemian: What's going?
01:54<Boohemian>not much... took 20mg of valium two hours ago, still hasn't kicked in :/
01:54<Boohemian>i'm about to get a dog :)
01:54*robinetd scratches his head.
01:54<Boohemian>i'm excited about that!
01:54<robinetd>Yeah, the valium clearly hasn't kicked in. O_o
01:55<@Perihelion>mine has
01:55<@Perihelion>i love everything right now
01:55<@Perihelion>Including you
01:55*robinetd proposes marriage to Perihelion.
01:55<Ovron>why is everyone on drugs in here :<
01:55<bob2>I need an adult
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01:55<@Perihelion>I also just squealed at the android logo being cute
01:56<MJCS>where are the logs that xconsole read located
01:57<MJCS>ie failed logins and such
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01:59<bob2>/var/log/auth.log /var/log/syslog
01:59<auraka>god dangit....ubuntu hates me
02:00<amitz>is journaled fs somewhat wasted or harmful in ssd?
02:02<Boohemian>i'm getting a 7 year old golden retriever
02:02<Boohemian>from a breeder
02:02<Boohemian>she's had 3 litters, and now is being spayed, and needs a good home :)
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02:06<amitz>i will probably buy a younger version, if i do. higher chance of it to outlive me.
02:08<amitz>it spares me the pain of losing something dear.
02:08<Boohemian>amitz: well, i couldn't take care of a puppy well
02:08<Boohemian>but they were sooooooooooooo cute
02:08<Boohemian>there were two litters: one were 3 weeks old, the other 9 weeks old
02:09<auraka>my ubuntu system keeps going read only...hmm
02:09<amitz>auraka: fsck?
02:11<amitz>Boohemian: i don't like raising creature in general, too much responsibility
02:12<Boohemian>amitz: aw
02:13<amitz>i like other people to raise it for me :-p
02:14<MJCS>how can i get an abuse e-mail address for an ip address?
02:15<amitz>whois ip
02:15<MJCS>u can whois an ip?
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02:18<SelfishMan>MJCS: !ipinfo
02:19<SelfishMan> includes abuse contact email addresses for IPs
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02:28<MJCS>im not going to do that for 93 ips
02:29<graq_>I've got a little windoes pc that wont connect to any websites. I can ssh to places.
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02:31<robinetd>93 ip addresses? What in the world are you doing?
02:31<MJCS>i just went throught all my brute force logs
02:31<MJCS>im e-mailing abuse reports
02:32<robinetd>uhuh... >.>
02:32<graq_>Wonder if it was win7 sp1 ..
02:33<SelfishMan>MJCS: dig +short -t txt
02:34<SelfishMan>be sure to reverse the IP ( ->
02:34<MJCS>what will that do
02:34<SelfishMan>returns a list of the abuse contacts for an IP
02:38<graq_>I always get confused when using 2 machines side by side. Waving the wrong mouse around uselessly.
02:38<robinetd>graq_: Use synergy.
02:39<robinetd>Only need one set of input devices \o/
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02:41<graq_>Well, one is a laptop, that moves with me. I think I may jus confuse myself even more :/
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02:44<graq_>I think in a more permanent setup, it looks pretty cool :)
02:45<ajp>i use it with 3 desktops running OSX, Linux, Server 2008, & a laptop running Win 7
02:46<ajp>makes everything so much easier
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02:55<ajp>are there any iptables gurus around tonight?
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02:56<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
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02:57<ajp>ok then
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02:58<yamamushi>on one linode account, can you launch two nodes at once?
02:58<amitz>IPTABLES firewall coder...
02:58<rlankfo>as many as you want
02:59<rlankfo>well, not simultaneous, but if you want more than one node you don't need more than one account
02:59<amitz>yamamushi: assuming you buy that many nodes.
03:01*graq_ has just stripped a last night's chicken.
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03:01<graq_>I'm really multi-tasking today!
03:01<ajp>OK so given this ( ) iptables set up I get a nice log of dropped/rejected packets. However...
03:02<graq_>No amount of clever synergy mouse magic can help that :P
03:02<ajp>anything that gets added by fail2ban doesnt get logged
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03:04*graq_ sighs. Another windows fail. Why can't it just work?
03:04<ajp>how can i log the dropped attepmts after the fail2ban trap has triggered
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03:05<amitz>log it first before giving control to fail2ban, my layman wisdom says.
03:06<ajp>amitz: but that catches everything not just the stuff caught by fail2ban
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03:07<graq_>ajp: Is your issue that fail2ban is not logging blocked attempts?
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03:08*graq_ kicks MicroSoft in the gonads: "You're stupid Service Pack killed my PC"
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03:08*graq_ blames M$ for own illiteracy.
03:09<ajp>my issue is that the fail2ban rule intercepts and terminates the chain before the logging get called
03:10<ajp>but only for IPs that get banned by fail2ban
03:10<ajp>I want to log those too
03:10<graq_>I don't understand your reply to amitz earlier then.
03:11*graq_ boggles eys weirdly . o ( oh my head )
03:12<ajp>ok well i'm not that experienced with iptables, but let me try to explain my confusion
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03:13<ajp>from my understainding the rules are like cahined basins, each catching the overflow from the previous rule
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03:14<ajp>when the fail2ban chain is empty all packets that dont hit my accept rules get logged and either dropped or rejected
03:15<ajp>however when fail2ban adds a rule to its chain; it gets dropped without hitting my log rule
03:16<ajp>how can i log the packets that get dropped by the fail2ban rule?
03:17<ajp>or am i completely misunderstanding the concept?
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03:22<amitz>good poimt, i don't know :-p. maybe in fail2ban itselves
03:23<ajp>amitz: hmm i don't know
03:25<ajp>the end result i'm trying to achieve is a good firewall log to contribute to dshield. and it seems that results from IPs that get banned would be a valuable part of that
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06:52<linbot>New news from forums: udevd[836]: add_to_rules: unknown key 'ATTRS{idVendor}' in General Discussion <>
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08:07<JediMaster>well, 15 linodes and first one hacked!
08:08<JediMaster>brand new test server, just a 512 one, was using it to develop a stackscript
08:08<JediMaster>fully up-to-date with all ubuntu 10.10 packages
08:08<dominikh>and a totally weak password?
08:08<JediMaster>it's a throw-away test machine that I was going to take down on monday
08:09<JediMaster>so had a two word 1 number password
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08:09<JediMaster>every other password has a 20+ character password with random letters of different cases, numbers and other characters
08:09<dominikh>there we go ;)
08:09<JediMaster>yeah, quite suprised how fast it got hacked with brute force on ssh though
08:10<JediMaster>the machine has only been up to 2 days
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08:10<martin->fail2ban :)
08:10<dominikh>martin-: that would've only delayed it
08:10<JediMaster>yes, that's probably a wise idea
08:10<dominikh>JediMaster: 2 days is a long time for automated scripts probing whole subnets
08:10<JediMaster>yeah, unforunately only found out as we got an abuse ticket filed for ssh portscans
08:10<JediMaster>5GB of data used on it too!
08:11<JediMaster>so, trying to use finnix to copy the drive image off it before I wipe it
08:11<JediMaster>so I can have a dig around to see if I can find anything out
08:11<JediMaster>but the finnix image won't boot:
08:11<JediMaster>Filesystem /vbin/fs/finnix-100.iso not found. Boot aborted.
08:11<JediMaster>anyone have any ideas?
08:11<Kenny>What can we learn from this? Use rsa keys or kerberos. :P
08:12<JediMaster>already use ssh keys
08:12<randallman>krb wouldnt help
08:12<JediMaster>didn't bother for the machine that was going to be chucked
08:12<Kenny>randallman: depends on the setup
08:12<dominikh>JediMaster: that's an interesting error; I'd probably create a ticket
08:13<randallman>I think the best suggestion is fail2ban :)
08:13<JediMaster>yeah, I've added it to the abuse ticket as it was suggested I used the finnix image to copy it over it I wanted to dig around first
08:13<Kenny>randallman: First, he would have to join the kerberos realm properly, then he'd have to bruteforce passwords on the KDC, which most likely wouldn't succeed on a proper setup :P
08:13<Kenny>Fail2ban+rsa only <3
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08:14<JediMaster>There we go, it's been forwarded on to the sysadmins
08:14<randallman>Im not sure KRB makes a ton of sense on linodes?
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08:15<Kenny>randallman: He has 15 linodes, it would make somewhat sense with centrally controlled login :P
08:15<randallman>yeah with 15, that'd probably make sense :)
08:15<Kenny>Public-key over LDAP would make sense too, but it requires a patched version of ssh so far :<
08:15<JediMaster>you guys think it's worth renaming the root users too?
08:15<dominikh>no, it's worth disabling root login over ssh ;)
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09:16<GLaDOSDan>Was there a small outage in London?
09:19<GLaDOSDan>No known issues in London?
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09:20<Jippi_mac>Hi.. does linode london have issues?
09:21<GLaDOSDan>I'm experiencing issues too, Jippi_mac
09:21<Jippi_mac> my connection to my servers is slow and lots of package loss
09:21<GLaDOSDan>I have huge packet loss too
09:22<GLaDOSDan>It seems to be resolving
09:22<GLaDOSDan>caker / someone: Any official word?
09:22<GLaDOSDan>or just a blip
09:22<Jippi_mac>"It looks like we had a brief networking hiccup. Are you still experiencing issues at this time?"
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09:23<Jippi_mac>from a support ticket
09:23<Jippi_mac>seems fine now :)
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09:24<AviMarcus>Dilbert :)
09:28<bakon>Is it possible to create a second Linode for a few hours, swap IPs and kill the old one? (If I wanted to switch to a different distro etc. without downtime)
09:29<AviMarcus>swap IPs.. might need a ticket to do that
09:29<AviMarcus>when you add a second IP, and want to remove one, linode asks you which one you want to remove
09:29<BarkerJr>you can swap public IPs within a data center yourself
09:30<bakon>So I can instantly assign IPs to Linodes in the same DC via the control panel?
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09:31<bakon>Meaning I could change distro on my production server without downtime and only pay for a second linode for as long as it took to set it up? That's cool.
09:31<BarkerJr>right, in the Remote Access tab, there's an IP Swap link
09:31<AviMarcus>ah cool. Didn't recall that
09:32<bakon>Linode is awesome!
09:32<AviMarcus>bakon, I think it's pro-rated per day. But yeah.
09:32<AviMarcus>and indeed, it is :P
09:33<bakon>AviMarcus: that's fair enough, we're talking cents for an almost seamless server change.
09:33<BarkerJr>I just want to note that you can't swap private network IPs (192.168.x.x) without a ticket
09:33<bakon>BarkerJr: thanks
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09:36<AzizLight>hi everybody
09:36<AviMarcus>'lo AzizLight
09:37<AzizLight>could someone help setup a new user and add hi to a group that can use sudo. There isn't a guide for doing that on linode and I can't manage to find a good guide on google..
09:37<AzizLight>hi AviMarcus :)
09:38<AviMarcus>what districtution are you on AzizLight ? ubuntu?
09:38<AzizLight>yup, 10.04
09:38<AzizLight>I already have added the user
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09:39<AzizLight>now I just need to add him to a group that can sudo, that's the part where I'm stuck.. should I just add the user to the root group?
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09:52<WormFood>AzizLight, I strongly suggest you invest an hour or two of time, into learning how security works on Unix would be well worth your time, and you'd better understand how to do what you want to do, the right way.
09:53<WormFood>if you always look for guides or tutorials, then you'll understand little of how this stuff works, because most tutorials/guides are trash as far as learning (they only show you want to do, the way they envision it, and rarely tell you WHY, which is the most important thing)
09:56<straterra>Well..not Unix...He should learn about security on Linux
09:56<straterra>Security on Unix won't be of very much use
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10:35<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: There are a non-trvial number of VMS and OS/400 systems in use.
10:41<randallman>and even some HP3000s :0
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10:44<Yaakov>Though a lot of earlier HP systems were EOL'd and replaced with something else.
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10:48<randallman>yeah the HP3000 is definitely EOL :)
10:48<randallman>HP still supports VMS on the itanium tho, rite?
10:49<randallman>sorry, OpenVMS :)
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10:49<AzizLight>WormFood: sorry for the late response. Thanks for your help. But how am I supposed to learn how security works on Unix machines if it's not by reading guides and tutorials?
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11:18<amitz>AzizLight: i think wormfood mean don't just read guide to do something, but read guide about linux security infrastructure.
11:19<JshWright>AzizLight: man sudo
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11:20<JshWright>Or perhaps more useful for your specific question: man sudoers
11:20<JshWright>(be sure to use visudo, don't just edit /etc/sudoers directly)
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11:21<amitz>JshWright: or read guides on internet about sudo. man sudo is admitedly difficult to read.
11:21<amitz>sorry, for AzizLight
11:23<JshWright>The specifc command you're loking for is: usermod -G sudo -a <username>
11:23<JshWright>(replace <username> with the username you want to modify)
11:24<JshWright>that user will have to log out and log back in if they are logged in when you make that change
11:25<JshWright>The _reason_ that works is because of this line in /etc/sudoers: %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL
11:26<JshWright>I would strongly suggest reading 'man sudoers' to understand what that line means
11:27<JshWright>It might also be a good idea to check out 'man usermod'
11:37<AzizLight>JshWright, amitz: Thanks for your answers
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11:41<Yaakov>man page
11:42<burak>hi i setup an new linode account but i am little confused how to transfer my domain name registered with hostgator
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11:42<burak>can anyone help me with this
11:44<Yaakov>burak: All you have to do is change the DNS servers listed with your registrar to ns1(2,3,4,5) OR change the A record to match your 'node addresss.
11:44<Kenny>Upi cam
11:44<Kenny>... "You can't"
11:44<Kenny>You can only change the NS records, not actually transfer the registration
11:45<Yaakov>If you do the former, you will have to set up the Linode DNS server.
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11:45<Kenny>(What Yaakov said was totally what I meant with "Upi cam")
11:46<burak>thanks Yaakov
11:46<Yaakov>burak: Sure. It's not hard.
11:46<burak>i think hostgator using simple dns zone editor for that
11:47<burak>to add A record
11:47<Yaakov>burak: Yes, I am sure they are.
11:47<burak>and also there is a CNAME record other than A record what is difference ?
11:47<Yaakov>burak: You have a choice to move to the domain's DNS to Linode, or use the DNS at the registrar.
11:48<Yaakov>burak: CNAMES are used for cases you do not currently have.
11:49<burak>ok i will add linode dns servers from A record
11:49<Yaakov>bu No.
11:49<Yaakov>burak: that is... No.
11:50<Kenny>You need to change the NS records to Linode's DNS servers
11:50<Kenny>OR A records to point directly to your Linode (which will circumvent Linode's DNS manager)
11:50<Kenny>You can't mix the solutions. It will result in horror and the end of the universe, combined with old stall milk.
11:51<Yaakov>burak: You either make the A record for the host so it matches your 'node's IP address OR you change the DNS servers in the domain's record to point at Linode's DNS servers and use the Linode DNS control panel to make the A record.
11:51<Yaakov>Wow... my connection is flaping like mad.
11:51<Kenny>Yaakov: That's what she said.
11:56<robinetd>Yaakov: With a great huge love?
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11:57<Kenny>robinetd: Nah, she didn't find it very "great and huge"
11:57<Kenny>If you catch my drift.
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12:05<kapeels>i am having problem with fastcgi
12:05<kapeels>it's not starting somehow
12:06<kapeels>i get the error --> Starting php-fastcgi: sudo: unknown user: /usr/bin/php-fastcgi
12:06<kapeels>i followed
12:07<kapeels>it might be because apache is on?
12:08<Kenny>Well, /usr/bin/php-fastcgi DEFINITELY isn't a user. :P
12:09<kapeels>ALL RIGHT
12:09<kapeels>the error is in the script in linode library..
12:10<kapeels>the slashes on line 9,11,13
12:10<Kenny>yeah, they shouldn't be there
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12:11<Kenny>(Also, using $( ) instead of ` ` is more recommended these days)
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12:17<snubby>leenodah eh
12:17<robinetd>dragon age 2 "demo" (moar like pre-alpha) is very buggy :(
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12:18<robinetd>Warriors attack animations don't work, all I see is the head of my guy. ;\
12:19<Kenny>Reminds me of a racing game I played earlier, where the graphics screwed up when you went too fast
12:21<robinetd>I tried increasing the graphics quality but that only put weird shadows on my guy.
12:21<robinetd>"demo"... -.-
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12:45<Ddorda>howdy guys, i'm trying to change the port of ssh on ubuntu 10.04, not sure why but it "doesn't work"
12:45<thorrr>what did you do to change it?
12:45<Ddorda>what i did is, changing the port on the sshd config file
12:45<Ddorda>than reloaded /etc/init.d/ssh
12:46<Ddorda>now i try to login using the new port and i get "connection closed by IP"
12:46<Ddorda>using ssh -p PORT user@domain
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12:47<Ddorda>must mention that now using 22 doesn't work either
12:47<amitz>when is the cut off date of linode's billing time? 00:00 EST of 1st day of the month?
12:48<Kenny>Ddorda: Check firewall?
12:48<Kenny>and maybe /etc/hosts? idk :/
12:48<Ddorda>hmm.. I will. thanks :)
12:48<Ddorda>amitz: sup :)
12:48<amitz>sup :-)
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12:49<robinetd>sup :-)
12:49<Ddorda>all good, can't complain
12:49<Ddorda>i had to brake it.
12:49<robinetd>You were supposed to say "C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!"
12:49*robinetd slaps some sense into Ddorda.
12:50<robinetd>I have what feels like the stomach flu. Who wants a hug?
12:50*Ddorda sits in the corner shamefully.
12:50<Kenny>heeerpa deerp derp
12:50<dominikh>herpes derpes
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12:51<robinetd>woah. My neighbor just pulled in the driveway with a bunch of straw, and my mother was like "I wonder what he's got all that straw for.". My natural response is "Probably to make the bodies decompose faster.". She says "Oh." :O
12:53<amitz>umm... am I thinking the right thing? Either way I'm pretty disturbed I thought about that...
12:53<Ddorda>amitz: stay brave
12:54<robinetd>amitz: I was implying that our neighbor was a serial killer, and my mothers response was "oh".
12:54<amitz>robinetd: but how are you going to use the straw?
12:54<robinetd>If that's not a reason to put her in the looneybin.. >:D
12:54<robinetd>amitz: You put the bodies under the straw.
12:55<amitz>robinetd: yes... is that a method people commonly thought up?
12:55<robinetd>amitz: That and limestone.
12:55<robinetd>I can show you how it works if you step over here.
12:55<Ddorda>echo too much Dexter >> robinetd
12:55*robinetd brandishes his knife.
12:55<amitz>sorry, but wife calling ;-)
12:55<robinetd>Ddorda: Actually too much law and order.
12:56<Ddorda>robinetd: oh. well Dexter's better.
12:57<Ddorda>erm.. i wasn't talkingabout the geek dexter, but the killer one
12:58*robinetd doesn't know who that is.
12:58<robinetd>I mostly watch star trek, law and order, and sometimes cold case files.
12:58<robinetd>By the time cold case files comes on, I'm either sleeping or don't care about it.
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13:01<Ddorda>robinetd: jfgi :D
13:01<robinetd>Why should I?
13:01<robinetd>I don't really care. ;o
13:03<Ddorda>dominikh: XD
13:03<robinetd>I don't get it.
13:03*robinetd shrugs.
13:03<dominikh>Dexter the serial killer vs Dexter the geek.
13:04<Kenny>Me neither. I mean, who the hell uses ".jpeg" instead of ".jpg"?
13:04<Kenny>waste of bytes.
13:04<robinetd>urmom is a waste of bytes.
13:04<Ddorda>robinetd: you need to watch Dexter to understand that one
13:05<Ddorda>robinetd: that is the most geekish thing i have ever heard, i believe
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13:08<HoopyCat>"I almost didn't answer... the name showed up as 'Richard Ashley' or something..."
13:08<HoopyCat>holy crap, end-to-end CNAM delivery
13:10<Peng>Err, what? I meant, "CNAM"?
13:10<Kenny>oh, right, "AsHley", not "AsTley" ;D
13:11<HoopyCat>the name field on Caller ID
13:12<AviMarcus>HoopyCat, probably peering
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13:12<AviMarcus>e.g. when I use grn to call an ipcomms number, it actually passes the caller id, not just the number
13:13<AviMarcus>lol dominikh
13:13<HoopyCat>the terminating switch normally queries a central database to grab the CNAM to send to the called party's telephone, since the underlying protocols don't pass anything more than the CNID, but apparently this is no longer the case when i call my mother
13:13<AviMarcus>I haven't watched much of dexter* but I get it :P
13:14<AviMarcus>canada passes CNAM over the line, too
13:14<AviMarcus>but it's probably peering of some sort between your termination provider and her DID provider
13:14<AviMarcus>who is your phone through?
13:15<mDuff>Has anyone written an ohai plugin or otherwise arranged for Chef to be able to identify linode private IPs?
13:16<mDuff>(out-of-the-box, 0.9.14 appears to misidentify Linode as Rackspace, and slot the public IP into the right space but ignore the private one)
13:16<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: that call was sent over SIP to my termination provider, who would normally pass it along to some larger termination provider
13:17<AviMarcus>HoopyCat, I was asking who your provider is
13:17<AviMarcus>I'm in the VoIP biz, I know what you're talking about :)
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13:17<Maff>Friend of mine is adamant that Linode doesn't let you install gentoo. Anyone here run gentoo on their linode?
13:18<AviMarcus>"doesn't let you"?
13:18<Pryon>You might get ridicule, but it's certainly not forbidden
13:18<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: i don't name them, because i used to work there and have a particularly good rate and i prefer being able to complain about my former day job on IRC ;-)
13:18<AviMarcus>we had someone in here ranting recently that the auto-installer is very old, but you can install whatever iso you want
13:18<Maff>He says they lie about offering gentoo, and don't allow you to actually install it from the Deploy page
13:18<mwalling>!library custom
13:18<linbot>mwalling: 1. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB ( - 2. Running a Custom Linux Distro on a Linode VPS ( - 3. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances (
13:18<mwalling>Maff: you can install what ever you want. linode provides some templates to make life easy
13:19<Maff>Yeah, I told him that
13:19<Maff>I was hoping someone here would be running gentoo so he'd stop thinking I'm lying :P
13:19<HoopyCat>mDuff: i have not yet done so, but it's been on my list of things to poke at
13:19<mwalling>Maff: i'm pretty sure Perihelion is
13:19<AviMarcus>HoopyCat :)
13:19<HoopyCat>Maff: spin up a linode and run it yourself for an afternoon... it's one of the stock images
13:20<mwalling>Maff: i'm looking at the /rebuild page, and i'm seeing 2 genpoo images in the list
13:20<Maff>I showed him the rebuild page
13:20<@Perihelion>Maff: I have 3 gentoo linodes, my friend has one with gentoo sources using pv_grub
13:21<mwalling>Maff: tell him i said he's a moran.
13:21<@Perihelion>You can use our image or create your own, basically.
13:21<@Perihelion>k, back to fixy time
13:22<Maff>Hopefully now he stops blabbing about linode being fail
13:23<Mp5shooter>Perihelion: You should try Alpine Linux
13:24<robinetd>Maff: How can he "blab about linode being fail" if he's never used them?
13:24<AviMarcus>Mp5shooter, what about Appalachian Linux?
13:24<Kenny>robinetd: He's a gentoo user. Doesn't that say enough about him? ;)
13:24<robinetd>Your friend sounds like my brother. It takes everything I have not to throw him out the window.
13:24<silverblade>I'm running gentoo on my current linode, and setting up a new one using gentoo too
13:24<@Perihelion>Mp5shooter: Gentoo works well enough for me
13:25<robinetd>Kenny: I used to use gentoo. Now I'm sane again. <3
13:25*robinetd hides from Perihelion.
13:25<Maff>robinetd: He apparently has used linode, but they wouldn't let him close his account/install gentoo. I pointed him to the account management/Rebuild pages
13:25<HoopyCat>Maff: i'd like to know what isn't fail :-)
13:25<robinetd>Actually, go ahead and slap me. You'll probably get the flu. :>
13:25<robinetd>Maff: You close your account with one button.
13:26<Maff>That's what I said D:
13:26<robinetd>Either your friend is a dingus, or some unexplained phenomena has happened.
13:26*robinetd doesn't think the latter is very likely.
13:26<Mp5shooter>Perihelion: You should at least try it!
13:27<Mp5shooter>It's extremely lightweight
13:27<robinetd>I saw something like calculatelinux or something similarly named.
13:27<robinetd>Made me giggle like a murderer.
13:27<Maff>Eh. I said I'd install gentoo on my VPS if I had backups, but I -just- got Arch running properly :>
13:27<robinetd>arch? :(
13:28<@ericoc>arch! :)
13:28<robinetd>debian 6 or you're doing it wrong.
13:28*Kenny slaps robinetd
13:28<Maff>Arch ftw :>
13:28*Kenny is on Arch too
13:28<Yaakov>Maybe I will get a Mercedes-Benz ML430...
13:28<robinetd>Yaakov: Or you can just give me your money and know that it went to a good cause.
13:28*robinetd holds out his hand and bounces.
13:28<Yaakov>Sorry, I need a car.
13:29<Pryon>Volvo gave up the ghost?
13:29<robinetd>I found a piece of shit dodge ram from 1990. Guy wants $1300 for it.
13:29<Kenny>One of my clients have a ML...330 I think=
13:29<robinetd>I'm thinking about going over to his place and taking a looksee.
13:29<hawk>Pryon: Ford sold it to some Chinese company
13:29<Kenny>Decent car, though he keeps wrecking the rims. 4 new rims, $6550
13:30<robinetd>How do you wreck rims consistantly? And why do they cost so much?
13:30<robinetd>Are they made of gold?
13:30<robinetd>(It'd explain their fragileness plus the cost!)
13:30<Kenny>He's an insane driver, plus he suffered from a brain tumor
13:31<Kenny>Meaning reduced precision of muscle control
13:31<robinetd>Kenny: You're saying he crashes his car fast enough to ruin all 4 rims on a regular basis?
13:31<Yaakov>Pryon: The Volvo was totalled quite a while ago.
13:31<Kenny>(Aswell as serious speech empediments, but thats irrelevant here :P)
13:31<Peng>hawk: Is that any worse than it being owned by Ford? :D
13:31<Yaakov>Pryon: I am having trouble finding a new one, so...
13:31<Kenny>robinetd: Rim + curbs = New rim
13:32<Yaakov>Right now, it's BMW X5 or M-B ML450 in the running.
13:32<robinetd>Kenny: him + no license = safer worldd.
13:32<hawk>Peng: Probably not, the Chinese probably have moar cash
13:32<Kenny>(He's on low profile tires)
13:32<robinetd>Minus one d.
13:32<robinetd>Give me my d back. :(
13:32<Kenny>robinetd: True, but him + no license = fewer money to me, when I replace the rims. ;)
13:32<robinetd>Kenny: You're a mechanic?
13:32<Kenny>robinetd: You already got two of them very close to the body, you don't need more
13:32<Kenny>Well, technically I'm an electrician
13:32<Kenny>But I'm raised by a mechanic :P
13:33<Yaakov>Both seem nice for different reasons.
13:33<robinetd>I know an electrician. He's burned down multiple houses. :(
13:33<robinetd>I don't like him.
13:33<robinetd>Kenny: Chances are since your name is kenny and his name is mark, you aren't him. <3
13:33<Yaakov>I am also looking at a BMW 730i Sport.
13:33*Kenny is employed as mechanic/plumber/electrician/sysadmin/translator/karate instructor/probably a few other things I've forgotten, but whatever, still pays. ;D
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13:33<Kenny>I've never burned anything down without it being on purpose, so don't worry <3
13:33<robinetd>Jack of all trades, master of nothing? :D
13:34<Yaakov>But I really do want the AWD and more room for hauling.
13:34<Kenny>robinetd: Nah, only the former. :P
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13:34<Kenny>Assuming my grades will stay the way they are within the next month, I should receive a gold medal from the Queen, for being an awesome electrician
13:34<Kenny>No joke
13:34<robinetd>People still have queens?
13:35<Kenny>yeah, Denmark has a Queen
13:35<waltman>robinetd: I think he means Latifah
13:35<Kenny>("Kingdom of Denmark", consisting of Denmark, Greenland and the Faroic Islands. We used ot have everyone. :<)
13:35<robinetd>waltman: ew ew ew
13:35<Kenny>Who the hell is Latifah
13:35<waltman>Queen Latifah
13:35<Kenny>Not that one
13:36<Kenny>Our Queen is a bit less sexy, and named "Margrethe the second"
13:36<robinetd>Latifah isn't sexy :(
13:36<waltman>and spends her days giving out medals to electricians?
13:36<Kenny>No, that gives you the idea of our queen.
13:36<robinetd>waltman: haha, nothing better to do.
13:37<Kenny>waltman: No, it's rare :P
13:37<Kenny>She spends her day signing legislation, waving at people, and traviling around the world, representing the Kingdom of Denmark
13:37<Kenny>Oh, and watch satire of herself
13:37<waltman>Normally electricians don't attract the attention of royalty unless they burn things down.
13:37<robinetd>Sounds exci.. excit.. exc... *ZZZZZZZZZZZ*
13:37<waltman>say, one of their palaces
13:38<robinetd>Of with Kenny's head!
13:38<robinetd>Oh my god, they killed Kenny! YOU BASTARDS!
13:38<waltman>Kenny: Did you burn down the Queen's palace?
13:38<Kenny>waltman: Nope, but I wouldn't mind
13:38<robinetd>You wouldn't mind burning her palace down?
13:38<robinetd>An arson are you. :>
13:38<waltman>how *did* you attract her attention?
13:38<robinetd>waltman: Mooning.
13:38<Kenny>(She's kinda cool though, she knighted the guy making the most popular, and most insulting parody of herself. LOL)
13:39<@mikegrb>mmm cake
13:39<waltman>let Kenny eat cake!
13:39<Kenny>waltman: I don't, it's tradition if you get highest possible average grade
13:39<robinetd>He drove past her carriage with his buttcheeks against the side window.
13:39<robinetd>Enough to attract anybodies attention!
13:39<Kenny>Actually I took a picture of her ass when I was ike, 8, but lets not get into that...
13:39<robinetd>Kenny: It fit into the camera?
13:39<waltman>robinetd: and was it full moon that night?
13:40<Kenny>(I was told to take pictures of her, so I did! Also when she had to get in the car...)
13:40<robinetd>waltman: You'd have to ask the queen.
13:40*robinetd goes to make some baked beans.
13:40<waltman>Kenny: As, so you're getting this medal because you have pictures of her!
13:40<Kenny>waltman: Yes, clearly, so I won't release them.
13:41<Kenny>Nah, lol, it's only because I managed to maintain top grade through all 4 years of this education
13:41*Kenny is a badass electrician
13:41<Kenny>And if you then end the thing with top grade in practical work, as well as the written test, you get a gold medal from the queen.
13:42<SleePy>You mean a gold platted metal :P
13:42<Kenny>no, gold gold
13:42<Kenny>not that I give a damn :P
13:42<robinetd>Kenny: How much can you get for it on ebay?
13:42<SleePy>^^^ :D
13:42<Kenny>I don't have it yet. >.>
13:43<Kenny>Plus, I'm tempted to *not show up*
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13:43<Kenny>And be like, "Fuck you, I had better things to do."
13:43<robinetd>free gold. Do it.
13:43*robinetd is extremely greedy.
13:44<Kenny>No, I've paid it off x1000000 in taxes already.
13:44<hawk>Kenny: See it as a bit of tax return, then
13:44<Kenny>hawk: I'd prefer just *not* paying taxes, then.
13:44<robinetd>Fine. Don't get it. When your kids ask you if you have any trophies, you can tell them that you stuck it to the man. <3
13:45<robinetd>or the queen, as it were.
13:45<Kenny>I'd probably get it mailed later, then. :P
13:45<Kenny>And have a shitload of troubles, but the Queen means nothing to me, she has not politcal powers, and is not allowed to have political opinions either
13:46<Kenny>she's just wasting our tax money
13:47<Kenny>(I may also be a tad bitter, seeing my family was actually more directly related to Margrethe the First predecessor, but seeing it was an offspring with a french maid, the evidence "disappeared in an accidental fire". I'm more royal than them! >.>)
13:47<Kenny>(Why aren't I'M the one getting free money? D:)
13:48<Kenny>My sixth sense tells me my previous sentence went grammatically borked.
13:48<robinetd>It was :(
13:49<Kenny>"Why are not I am the one" :D
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13:49<robinetd>I would've corrected you, but I'm eating beans!
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13:51<Kenny>I know it's "Why am *I* not the one...", but I borked it ;D
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13:51<robinetd>Kenny: In the southern US, we simplify that even further. "Why aint it me!?"
13:53<robinetd>Further degradation depends on how much moonshine was consumed and how fast it was consumed.
13:53<Kenny>"Because you're an American in the southern US, you cannot be the royal heir"
13:53<Peng>You're in the southern US?
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13:54<robinetd>Peng: lolno. I'm in Michigan.
13:54<robinetd>I do share their love for beans though.
13:54<Kenny>I'm in PastryLand
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13:58<robinetd>iffin I reckon I migrate, I'll steer the cattle towards the east. Perhaps southwest.
13:58<robinetd>(county-folk slang for I'm moving to jersey or california.
13:58<robinetd>plus a )
13:58<robinetd>and country-folk.
13:58*robinetd stops typing. :(
13:59<Kenny>So, county-folk's compass' are screwed up?
13:59<robinetd>New jersey is east. California is southwest.
13:59<Kenny>Oh, ah
13:59*robinetd laughs at Kenny's geography skills.
13:59<Kenny>obviously depends on where you are
14:00<Kenny>County folk here would definitely not reach California by going south-west.
14:00<Kenny>More like, infinite amounts of water.
14:00*robinetd doesn't even know where denmark is.
14:00*Kenny laughs at robinetd's geography skills.
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14:01<robinetd>I never was good at geography beyond the US. I know where most countries are, but other than that.
14:01<Peng>They're both in Earth, and that's close enough for me!
14:01<Kenny>Peng: Are you sure?
14:01<Kenny>Have you ever been to Denmark?
14:01<robinetd>If you asked me to point out Helsinki in Finland, I'd just point randomly at Finland.
14:02<Kenny>robinetd: I know where New Hampshire and Vermont are in the US, but that's it.
14:02<robinetd>I think it's in the northeast section of finland though.
14:02<Kenny>(The only two parts of the US that really matter to me - Where I know a few people)
14:03*Kenny suffers from occasional tinnitus - shows up randomly, or when there's really silent. When silence triggers it, it's cured by background noise, but when it pops out of nowhere, one can only wait... GRRR.)
14:03<robinetd>hahaha, helsinki is in the south east-ish region of finland.
14:03<robinetd>Man I suck.
14:04<Kenny>robinetd: It's ok, I used to think that the entire blob of the American continent was the US
14:04<robinetd>There are two continents that America is made of. :\
14:05<hawk>robinetd: That may be too much to handle at this stage
14:05<Kenny>Yeah, I thought the other continent was Mexico (<- Never received any geography classes, the school saved money by removing those... So I didn't know until I had to find NH and VT :P)
14:06<Kenny>Now I can map it out ok, but back then... "The US is somewhere over there... I think... I hope... Help?"
14:06<robinetd>lawd. Some guy posted a previous gen macbook pro on craigslist for $550. I inquired, he claimed he sold it already, then claimed he bought two more for $70 and offered me some ebay-esque websites link.
14:06<robinetd>I'm doubting he actually had one to begin with.
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14:07<Kenny>$550 is suspicious, $70 much more.
14:07<robinetd>Kenny: Yeah. It was a core 2 duo macbook pro.
14:07<robinetd>I figured it was too good to be true.
14:07<Kenny>robinetd: 15"?
14:08<hawk>Ok, so two generations old...
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14:08<Kenny>hawk: No no no
14:08<hawk>Kenny: No?
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14:09*robinetd deleted the email without clicking the link.
14:09<Kenny>hawk: Mine is 6.1, there's new ones out (7.0 I assume) - C2D goes back to 2.0, meaning up to 5 generations
14:09<Kenny>(Unless I missed one, the new ones are 7.0...)
14:09<robinetd>It was one of those referral links where you get like a fraction of a penny for every person who clicks your link.
14:09<robinetd>I hope that guy burns in hell. :O
14:09<hawk>Kenny: Ok, so two to five generations old
14:09*robinetd deleted it without clicking the link.
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14:10<robinetd>The new ones are i5/i7 :D
14:11*robinetd is going to get one.
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14:11<robinetd>But a 13".
14:11<Kenny>I have the April 2010 one in 17", and a 3-4 year old C2D Santa Rosa 17"...
14:11<Kenny>I want thunderbolt :'<
14:11<copperx>what is thunderbold good for?
14:11<robinetd>Kenny: Not much reason to buy it for that right now. No thunderbolt peripherals beyond the displayport crap you already have.
14:12<robinetd>copperx: Everything once they get adapters out. You can daisy chain 6 devices. So you just sit your laptop down, plug in one wire and have everything come on.
14:12<Kenny>dominikh: It's HDMI with 10Gb/s full duplex, hardware controlled bus
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14:12<copperx>I likey
14:12<dominikh>Kenny: you suck at tab completion :/
14:12<robinetd>Well, two wires if you count the power adapter.
14:13<Kenny>(USB3 shares 5Gb/s for both ways, AND is host controlled - meaning the CPU needs to handle it)
14:13<robinetd>dominikh: You're just figuring that out? ;)
14:13<Kenny>dominikh: shut up, I hit the wrong key again ;D
14:13<dominikh>robinetd: no, I'm just getting more pissed off :P
14:13*Kenny hands robinetd a bottle of jack
14:13<Kenny>robinetd: Now, shut up.
14:13*robinetd breaks the bottle over Kenny's head.
14:13<robinetd>Which is extra cool because jack daniels bottles are built like a rock.
14:13*Kenny nails robinetd to the floor
14:13<robinetd>I would have to hit you with significant force to break it. <3
14:14*robinetd nails Kenny's nuts to a stump and kicks him over backwards.
14:14<Kenny>Yeah, see, that requires you to be able to move a significant distance
14:14<Kenny>and I think those 1' nails should hold you in place
14:15<robinetd>nah, I just unravel my ankle spanker and manipulate the hammer and nail with that.
14:15<Kenny>Your ankle spanker.
14:15<robinetd>these beans aren't helping my stomach.
14:15<Kenny>And how would you unravel that, without moving?
14:15<Kenny>(Never said I only nailed your feet)
14:15<robinetd>Kenny: It has a mind of its own.
14:16<Kenny>Yes, but it still has to be able to move.
14:16<robinetd>Made of adamantium too. Like wolverine's claws.
14:16<robinetd>You can't nail it to the floor. :>
14:16<Kenny>Well guess what - my nails are super magnets
14:16<robinetd>urmom is a super magnet.
14:16<robinetd>I should go plug my eee in.
14:17<Kenny>yes, and seeing you have metal components in your body, you're greatly attracted to her
14:17<Kenny>(I do too, but not nearly enough for that.)
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14:17<robinetd> lol
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14:18<Kenny>robinetd: A site full of amusing roosters!
14:19<robinetd>I didn't load it, I just saw the guys address.:D
14:19<Kenny>neither did I, but I hope that's what it contains. :P
14:20<robinetd>When I saw "launchpad" on teh new os x lion page, I thought apple was being bought out by canonical.
14:20<robinetd>But it's apparently something entirely different.
14:20<robinetd>and fairly non useful.
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14:21<Kenny>I kinda like it
14:21<Kenny>I usually use spotlight to open apps
14:21<robinetd>I usually just press alt+f2 and type the name in. Iunno if OSX does that though.
14:21<Kenny>but it opens fast enough to be useful, and collects all apps on the system automatically
14:22<Kenny>Spotlight just searches your filesystem, I type the app and press enter.
14:22<Yaakov> command + space, first few letters, return.
14:23<Kenny>Yaakov: Exactly
14:23<Yaakov>I don't even use the dock.
14:23*Kenny loves the speed of spotlight
14:23<robinetd>The power button on the new macbook pros is like right next to the last function key.
14:23<Kenny>Yaakov: Me neither
14:23<robinetd>I can see myself accidentally hitting that.
14:23<Kenny>robinetd: Won't turn it off, don't worry
14:23<Yaakov>robinetd: It just pops up a dialogue.
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14:24<robinetd>I really like the keyboard because it has a full size right shift key. My eee has a small square shift key.
14:24<robinetd>It's frustrating. :(
14:24<Kenny>Yeah, the keyboard is nice
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14:25<Kenny>robinetd: Wait, how is it right next to the last function key?
14:26<robinetd>Kenny: Apparently the picture was of a macbook air.
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14:26<Kenny>It's still the aluminum key, right? You have to press way harder on that than on the keys, anyway
14:26*robinetd is trying to find a picture of a macbook pros keyboard.
14:26<robinetd>Kenny: nah, same material as the function keys on the mba.
14:26<Kenny>so if you're using the keyboard you won't be able to "accidentally" click it, unless you're punishing the keys
14:26<Kenny>Ah, but yeah, different on mba's :P
14:26<robinetd>I can't find a picture of the new macbook pros keyboard
14:27<Kenny>They usually add a gallery, but they haven't yet, apparently :/
14:27<robinetd>oh, I see it now.
14:27<robinetd>It's in
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14:27<copperx>robinetd: it's the same keyboard, wtf
14:27<robinetd>copperx: l2readplzkthxbai
14:28<copperx>robinetd: no!
14:28<robinetd>"lol I'm going to read the first comment that started the discussion, base my next statement on that and completely ignore the in-between content!"
14:28<Kenny>robinetd: YES.
14:28<robinetd>Yaakov: That looks pretty nice actually. <3
14:28<mwalling>why does the air have an eject key
14:29<Zr40>usb dvd drive
14:29<Kenny>mwalling: shut up. lol, nah, for the usb drive.
14:29<robinetd>mwalling: Kenny put it there to activate the ejection pads under his moms ass. :D
14:29<Yaakov>It ejects the processor.
14:29<Kenny>It's the seat ejection.
14:29*robinetd is cruel.
14:29<jkwood>Yaakov: And without losing any functionality, too! Innovative.
14:29<Kenny>Don't push it unless you really really really want to fly.
14:30<Yaakov>I like my MBP.
14:30<Yaakov>I like my (older) Air, too.
14:30<robinetd>Yaakov: You have a 13" or 15"?
14:30<Yaakov>I would like to have a new Air, for the battery life, but...
14:30<Kenny>I like mine too. I don't like the fact that they upgraded them without upgrading mine for free, too. =3=
14:30<Yaakov>My Air is 13".
14:31<mwalling>i've got the 13" air2
14:31<robinetd>Yaakov: On that image you sent me, the backspace button says delete. Is this some kind of mindfuck?
14:31*Kenny gets suspcious
14:31<brynode>hey...i just recently set up my linode running ubuntu 10.10 and i using openvpn so that i can securely browse the web when i am at a hotel or on some other unsecure network...any suggestions on other cool stuff to do with my server? im bored...
14:31<Yaakov>No, that's the key forever on Mac keyboards.
14:31<Kenny>I wonder what the logic board costs separate...
14:31<robinetd>Yaakov: Interesting. Does it function differently?
14:31*Kenny thinks the casing and screen might be compatible
14:31<Yaakov>Kenny: Twice retail for the whole computer.
14:31<copperx>robinetd: yes, you have to adapt to delete instead of backspacing … but takes 1 week tops
14:32<Kenny>Yaakov: Nah, it's expensive as hell, but still cheaper than a new laptop
14:32<robinetd>copperx: It's just a matter of switching the cursor to the other side of the letter you want to delete, right?
14:32<Kenny>but they probably moved the internal mounting points, as well as display connector socket.
14:32<Yaakov>robinetd: No, but you can get "delete" with fn + delete.
14:32<copperx>robinetd: exactly
14:32<Yaakov>In all things like terminal, the delete key acts just like backspace.
14:33<Yaakov>If you want the other behavior, fn + delete.
14:33<brynode>i love my mb pro...wish i could buy one of the new ones with thunderbolt aka lightpeek
14:33*robinetd scratches his head.
14:33<robinetd>I guess I'll figure it out when I get it.
14:33<robinetd>I'm going to order it sometime this week.
14:33<Kenny>brynode: They dropped the lightpeak name, plus it won't be "lightpeak" before they release the fiber optic cables for it
14:33<copperx>robinetd: i'm sorry … I was trolling you … it acts exactly like backspace
14:34<robinetd>copperx: gdiaf
14:34<Kenny>(There will be optical cables, with transcievers in both ends)
14:34<brynode>yeah, but unfortunately if its purely optical, you wont get the 10 watts power out
14:34<linbot>New news from forums: Placing a node "on hold" ? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
14:34<robinetd>I mostly just want thunderbolt because I want to daisy chain my monitor, keyboard and mouse to one cable.
14:34<robinetd>I'm lazy.
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14:35<copperx>robinetd: you're mean
14:35<Kenny>brynode: I think there's copper for power, but you need fiberoptics (based on the specs) to go above 3m cable length
14:35<Yaakov>If I type, 1 2 3 delete, I am left with 12. If I type 1 2 3 left-arrow delete, I am left with 13. If I type 123 left-arrow fn + delete, I am left with 12.
14:35<Kenny>(optical cables should do a few hundred meters)
14:35<robinetd>copperx: You're the one misadvising me on a $1300 laptop.
14:36<copperx>robinetd: sorry … I tought it was funny … but I'm about to buy a MBP 13" too, the base model
14:36<brynode>robinetd: yeah, i want to use a thunderbolt RAID and not worry about extra power cables
14:36<brynode>robintd: should be nice!
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14:36<Kenny>brynode: that'll pull juice from the battery, and I hate pulling juice from the battery :<
14:36<robinetd>The base 13" mbp will be better in every aspect except video card on my desktop.
14:36<Yaakov>I want lightningclap which is 10x faster.
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14:37<Yaakov>And can provide 6.6 MW of power.
14:37<Kenny>Plus, you can use firewire already, it supplies 10W too (ircc) :P
14:37<brynode>Kenny: hmmm....yeah, have to use your AC not sure if that will degrade the battery over time though???
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14:38<Kenny>brynode: Apple are pretty good at handling batteries nowadays
14:38<Kenny>but if you NEVER use it outside the ac adapter, yes, the battery will die.
14:38<copperx>brynode: as long as you do a discharge cycle a month (according to Apple) you should be fine
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14:39<Yaakov>In 16 months I have lost 6% of my battery's capacity.
14:40<Kenny>I think I lost that, on my old laptop, after 3 years
14:40<Yaakov>This machine is almost always plugged in.
14:40<Kenny>It then died very violently, though, but that's because it was one of the batteries from the bad shipment, where the cells inflated themselves...
14:40<Yaakov>We had about 100 of those.
14:40<Kenny>oh, ok, I had 670 cycles on that battery when it died
14:41<Kenny>still getting 3 hours on a charge with normal usage
14:41<Kenny>(could pull more with a light load)
14:41<Yaakov>I only show 26 cycles on this battery.
14:41<Yaakov>I get about 5 hours with ordinary operations and decent backlight.
14:42<Mp5shooter>I have like 30 cycles on my battery in my MBP that i got in early 08 lol
14:42<Matteh>I seem to have lost access to my linode
14:42<Matteh>even though it says it's running
14:42<Kenny>Yeah, mine never got more than 3:30 on a charge (maybe 4:00, max, with very light load)
14:42<Kenny>This one runs forever without charging, though
14:43<Kenny>Matteh: Try with LISH then
14:43<Yaakov>I can get this one to do 7 hours if I don't use a lot of disk and keep the backlight a little lower than I would choose.
14:43<Kenny>Yaakov: This laptop is 9 months old, and have 361 cycles on the battery
14:44<Yaakov>I am usually near power when I use this one. My Air is different.
14:44<Kenny>Oh yeah, but the old laptop was a pre-45nm macbook pro with a 65Wh battery :P
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14:44<Kenny>After these 361 cycles, I have lost 3% of my capacity
14:44<Matteh>do iptable rules get remembered after a reboot?
14:44<Matteh>if not, thats the problem lol
14:44<Matteh>damn it
14:44<Kenny>Matteh: if you use iptables-save, yes.
14:44<Kenny>otherwise, no
14:44<Matteh>that'll be why :P
14:45<Matteh>thank god for console
14:45<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
14:46<copperx>Kenny: you must be kidding, only 3% capacity loss?
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14:46<Kenny>copperx: Nope
14:46<AviMarcus>I think my laptop battery is toast
14:46<AviMarcus>it's been plugged in for years
14:46<Kenny>copperx: I think I had 6% after 675 cycles on my old laptop
14:47<copperx>Kenny: wow
14:47<Yaakov>I just don't cycle this one.
14:47<Kenny>copperx: Actually, 2.26%
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14:48<Yaakov>When I need a new battery I will also put in an SSD.
14:48<Kenny>Yaakov: Yeah, I use this in school, and bring it home to do remote checkups, so I use the battery all the time
14:48<copperx>Kenny: could you tell me how do you use your laptop? do you cycle it everyday?
14:48<Kenny>I put an SSD in together with the HDD
14:48<Kenny>copperx: usually a few times a day
14:48<Kenny>2, minimum
14:48<Kenny>the rest of the day it sits in the charger
14:48<copperx>Kenny: I'm about to buy a MBP and I would like to maximize the batt life
14:49<Yaakov>I use this at home too, but I have power supplies in both locations.
14:49<Mp5shooter>Anyone wanna buy an Early 08 MacBook Pro? :p
14:49<Tiven>got disconnected
14:49<Mp5shooter>STILL HAS APPLECARE!
14:49<Kenny>(The cycles are out of lazyness, and I don't feel like getting the charger before it complains.)
14:49<Tiven>anyway as i was saying you can make a script and reload the rules ^^
14:49<Quicksilver>So, I'm thinking about moving to Linode but I don't really have much experience running a server. I know how to set up tomcat and that's about it. However, I also need a mail server. Do you think that will cause me much trouble?
14:49<Kenny>Mp5shooter: I already got my late '07, and early '10, so no thanks :P
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14:50<linbot>New news from forums: Feature Request: Backup inspection / restore single files in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
14:50<Mp5shooter>Kenny: lol :p
14:50<Tiven>Quicksilver you should be fine if you can follow library articles
14:50<Tiven>BUT mail server can be a pain in the ass as far as i know
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14:51<Quicksilver>Trying to weigh the benefits of having a VPS vs the ease of simply using the shared hosting we are on. Linode looks great but shared hosting is so easy
14:51<Kenny>Tiven is speaking the truth about mail servers. They can cause severe pain in your buttocks.
14:52<Kenny>However, if you follow a guide, you're usually good to go
14:52<Quicksilver>Any advice on a mail server to use?
14:52<Tiven>you could use google apps though Quicksilver
14:52<Tiven>for mmail
14:52<copperx>Quicksilver: Gmail for domains
14:52<Matteh>I've also noticed that it won't restart any services
14:52<Matteh>it just hangs.
14:52<Kenny>You need two parts, such as postfix+dovecot, or, Gapps ("Gmail for domains")
14:53<Kenny>Matteh: You, my good man, screwed up. ;D
14:53<Matteh>I haven't touched anything tho
14:53<Matteh>nothing has changed.. it just "stopped" working
14:53<Quicksilver>Doesn't apache do a mail server? How is that?
14:53<Matteh>postfix+dovecot <3
14:54<Kenny>Matteh: See, that's not true. The processors gates are in different quantum electrodynamic states, therefore, something has changed. ;D
14:55<Kenny>Quicksilver: Haven't heard of, nor tried it, so can't say.
14:55<Kenny>I used postfix+dovecot, but it wasn't fun to set up.
14:55<linbot>New news from forums: iPhone app enhancement request in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
14:55<Matteh>its only fun, after it's setup
14:55<Kenny>It's few steps, but everyone screws up in one of them xD
14:56<Kenny>(Only try to setup mail servers if you're wearing your thinking hat, lucky panties, the planets are aligned, and your God has his swag on.)
14:56<Quicksilver>Sounds like maybe we just want shared hosting after all :/
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14:57<null>a firewall wouldnt do anything from a ddos of unfamiliar ips, no?
14:59<Kenny>Quicksilver: Nah, it's okay to set up
14:59<Kenny>Quicksilver: We're partially making jokes, partially just unlucky
14:59<Kenny>Quicksilver: A good guide, or Gapps should work for you
14:59<Matteh>i fixed it
15:00<Quicksilver>I'm honestly pretty poor at this whole sys admin stuff. I'm pretty over my head and often get stuck on pretty simple things. Often times if I need to compile a binary for myself I cannot figure it out :/
15:01<supine>Matteh: so you now know what you broke :-)
15:01<Matteh>I didnt break anything :P
15:01<Matteh>it couldnt resolve one of the virtual server address for some reason
15:01<Matteh>so i just added it to /etc/hosts
15:01<Ddorda>guys, any ideas how to run an email alias service?
15:02<HarryD>mikegrb: 86.2 of your lines in my log are 'lulz'
15:02<Matteh>which distro, what mail server?
15:02<BarkerJr>null: firewalls only do as much as you tell them to
15:02<HarryD>Quicksilver: yes
15:02<@mikegrb>mmm cake
15:02<supine>HarryD: he's just taking the cake
15:02<null>thats pretty much exactly what my client wont get
15:02<Ddorda>Matteh: Ubuntu, and i'm looking for the right mail server for that :)
15:02<@mikegrb>HarryD: complain to the people overusing lol
15:02<null>hes asking me to install zonealarm on my debian 5 linode
15:03<@mikegrb>mmm cake
15:03<HarryD>and 12.9 are 'mmm cake'
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15:03<HarryD>and 16.1 are 'mmm cake'
15:03<BarkerJr>a firewall won't stop your incoming bandwidth becoming saturated
15:03<@caker>can't stop the bits!
15:03<null>he emailed me asking me to do something about his site being ddose'd
15:03<null>and i tell him you cant, and now he insists zonealarm will fix it all
15:04<supine>null: tell him to stop pissing people off... :-P
15:04<null>if only it were that simple
15:05<null>i told him that the attacks were so strong it disrupted other servers in the d/c, and he still thinks a firewall will stop it all >_>
15:05<Ddorda>supine: "Dear DDoSers, I <3 you! now please please please stop!!!! thanks."
15:05<supine>he needs a scrubbing service. wait till he sees the $ that will set him back...
15:06<ajmitch>null: that's because firewalls are magic
15:06<null>hes paying $1.25 a month
15:06<null>i told him for me to put him on my ddos protected machine, it would cost an upwards of at LEAST 10
15:07<null>and hes like "wtf no"
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15:07<Matheus28>I was thinking about resizing my plan...
15:07<supine>null: you're putting up with that for $1.25 a month?
15:07<Peng>Larger, I hope. ;-D
15:07<Matheus28>But the resize menu is in my linode menu, not my account menu
15:07<Matheus28>I am confused
15:08<mwalling>Matheus28: because you're resizing the linode
15:08<null>supine: my sanity is bigger than my wallet
15:08<AviMarcus>I have a $1.50 vps at hostrail with a 200gb monthly bandwidth or something :P
15:08<copperx>null: 1.25 ...
15:08<supine>null: give it time, give it time... and then SNAP. ;-)
15:08<mwalling>Matheus28: accounts can have more then one linode
15:08<Matheus28>But... isn't my bandwidth shared between all my linodes?
15:08<copperx>is it possible to offer shared hosting under a linode vps? lol
15:09<BarkerJr>Matheus28: yeah, so add to one and it will be shared
15:09<jkwood>copperx: Yes.
15:09<mwalling>!f what can i do with my linode
15:09<Quicksilver>Debian 6 or Debian 6 64bit for a newbie?
15:09<linbot>mwalling: What can I do with my Linode? Its probably easier to tell you what you cannot do: Nothing illegal and nothing that interferes with other customers and services. Our Terms of Service document is located here:
15:09<BarkerJr>choose one randomly :)
15:09<Peng>Matheus28: Yes, do? it just adds up the transfer from each node to give your account's total
15:09<mwalling>Quicksilver: 32bit
15:09<null>yes i have shared hosting on my linode
15:09<null>under the 'economy plans' dept
15:09<jkwood>And PLEASE stop using lol. Just stop.
15:10<null>my enterprise solutions are on a "ddos protected" setup in chicago
15:10<Quicksilver>Is there any reason not to set swap size at 512? Isn't it better to have that extra just in case and it's only a minor cost to total storage?
15:10<AviMarcus>running ENTERPRISE CODE?
15:10<silverblade>Hosted on the starship
15:10<Kenny>null: Did amitz set it up? Otherwise it's not truly enterprise
15:10<jkwood>Quicksilver: 32-bit unless you need the extra memory addressing. Otherwise, your gain in processing speed will be outweighed by your loss due to memory usage.
15:10<Kenny>Unless, of course, it's currently exploring galaxies no man have ever reached.
15:10<BarkerJr>Quicksilver: if you're actually using more than 128MB swap, you'll likely see severe performance problems
15:10<jkwood>Quicksilver: No. If you're swapping, you're dyingg.
15:11<Quicksilver>barker, true but isn't having the space there a good idea. Wouldn't really slow performance be better than it running out if it needed it?
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15:11<jkwood>Because what you'll find is that your node will die instead of getting slow.
15:11<BarkerJr>well, if you run out, the kernel kills the process and recovers
15:12<null>amitz gots nothing on me
15:12<linbot>ENTERPRISE java coder
15:12<mwalling>BarkerJr: sometimes
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15:13<BarkerJr>mwalling: well, it kills a process, and we hope it was the misbehaving one, not sshd
15:13<Peng>or maybe it just dies
15:16<Matheus28>What's the recommended swap size?
15:17<LadyNikon>Matheus28: for?
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15:19<Kenny>Matheus28: 0, but if you can't do with that, no more than 256, ever. :D
15:19<Matheus28>Well, I will be running a multiplayer game server
15:20<mwalling>Matheus28: whats the default when you opened the page?
15:20<Matheus28>I don't remember
15:20<Kenny>it REALLY depends on what game, what coding, and how good the coder is
15:20<Matheus28>I think it's 128 ~ 256
15:20<Matheus28>I am the coder
15:21<Matheus28>The engine is written in as3, but as3 is kinda slow
15:21<Kenny>A multiplayer Pacman server, written by a skilled coder in assembly will not take much memory, for example.
15:21<Matheus28>AS3 doesn't take much memory
15:21<Matheus28>With 50 servers running, no more than 50mb
15:21<Kenny>I call that a lot of memory. ;D
15:21<null>LAN party with linodes and pacman
15:22<Kenny>null: HELLZ YEAH
15:22<Matheus28>Well, for 50 servers which supports 32 clients each one... that's 1600 clients
15:22<Kenny>Matheus28: My pacman server wouldn't eat anywhere NEAR that! :P
15:23<null>i need a website idea that will go viral
15:23<null>i will pay you with candy
15:23<Quicksilver>how about a website that gives you free candy? people would love that
15:24<null>or one that distributes virii
15:24<null>for candy
15:24<Kenny>null: I have a few ideas... First, a website, which purpose is to be a free knowledge database... Kinda like an online encyclopedia that everyone can edit!
15:24<null>thats brilliant!
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15:24<null>ill call it wankapedia
15:25<Kenny>My second idea is a sort of friendspot, where everyone can chat, talk, upload pictures of their cats, and stalk eachother, completely uncontrolled!
15:25<Kenny>And, finally, a sort of search utility, which can go through everything on the entire intarweb, and at the same time, log your every move for statistical and advertisement purposes!
15:26<Peng>Kenny: Uncontrolled? Ha!
15:26<Kenny>Peng: Well, it'll appear like that to the user. We'll add some random automatical restrictions which will ban random users, and stop people from changing their name too often.
15:27<Kenny>Bad luck to those going through their 14th marriage.
15:27<Kenny>(Do you have ANY idea how much porn is hosted on Facebook? xD)
15:27<null>unless they went to harvard
15:27<Kenny>Yeah, you're autobanned if you went to harvard.
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15:28<null>or if the CEO stole your idea
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15:32<Quicksilver>if i want to not be root anymore in debian, that means i probably need to create a non root account right?
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15:40<zapnap>and no, it's not a tmp files / session problem) and i need to do something about it
15:40<Quicksilver>"apt-get install sun-java6-jdk" gives me "E: Package 'sun-java6-jdk' has no installation candidate"
15:40<zapnap>erm lemme try that again :0
15:40<zapnap>so i'm running out of inodes on my disk
15:40<zapnap>plenty of space left though
15:40<zapnap>i guess i could create a new filesystem and attach it
15:40<Yaakov>Time to open the box of jnodes.
15:41<Matheus28>Hey, what if someone DDOS my linode... will I get charged for the bandwidth?
15:41<pharaun>Matheus28: yes
15:41<Matheus28>Is there a way to ask them to limit my bandwidth?
15:41<zapnap>but i was wondering if there was a better migration strategy. ie any way to create a new linode with a larger number of inodes in the default filesystem, and then migrate to it
15:41<zapnap>instead of trying to shrink the used disk space on my slice, create a new filesystem, etc
15:41<zapnap>any ideas welcome especially from linode staffers :p
15:42<pharaun>Matheus28: dunno on the limiting bw but you would be well recommended to 1) soak it up or 2) shut it down and have it null routed
15:43<pharaun>zapnap: you could buy another linode, build the larger fs, move it over to the new linode, shutdown and get rid of the old one
15:43<pharaun>zapnap: linodes are prorated by the day
15:44<zapnap>pharaun: Yeah that's what I was thinking. But I wasn't sure if there were options for specifying the number of inodes for a filesystem at creation time
15:45<zapnap>and I guess some of the more modern filesystems don't have these problems either... not sure what my options are with linode though.
15:45<pharaun>ah right that, hm dunno if you can do so through linode manager but you can indeed specify the number of inodes on most fs like ext3, etc...
15:46<zapnap>Right. question is whether I can do it with Linode manager :/
15:46<BarkerJr>Quicksilver: you can download java from the sun site then upload it to your node
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15:47<pharaun>zapnap: for mke2fs its like -N i believe, i use -N 10000000 on a couple of external disks
15:47<BarkerJr>Matheus28: know that overage charges are more per GB than if you pre-pay
15:47<Quicksilver>barker: I will give that a shot. Any ideas why get-apt might not be working though? Just sad to see i'm having problems already :/
15:47<zapnap_>pharaun: yeah that sounds about right. but to do it manually i'd have to create my own filesystem and attach it. which is... ugly.
15:47<Matteh>dns lookups are screwed on my server
15:47<pharaun>Matheus28: prepay is like 10cent a gig, post is 15
15:47<zapnap_>and since i don't do this every day, probably quite prone to error :)
15:48<pharaun>zapnap_: hah fair enough, might need to install a minimal distro then create it manually on the remainder then grow it and transfer it over
15:48<zapnap_>yeah that's what i'm trying to avoid if possible haha
15:48<pharaun>zapnap_: tho if you do have enough spare "disk space" on your other linode you could still shrink it, create the new one, transfer and grow it
15:48<zapnap_>wasn't sure what my options might be
15:49<zapnap_>yeah i have a fair amount of free space now. but i don't really want to fuck up a production machine either just in case.
15:49<zapnap_>so i'd prefer to do this on a new slice.
15:49<pharaun>to be 100% for sure i would bug a @op but i don't seem to remember having that ability in linode manager
15:49<zapnap_>how do i tell who's on duty / idling? :)
15:49<pharaun>zapnap_: sounds like a spare node would be your best bet
15:49<zapnap_>i can send an email too i guess...
15:50<pharaun>zapnap_: yell? i guess :) they tend to come in and go so its luck sometime, and yes email or ticket would work
15:50<zapnap_>that might be better. not under tremendous pressure, but need to figure something otu this week
15:50<zapnap_>i'll file a ticket
15:50<zapnap_>thanks pharaun
15:50<pharaun>they reply quickly to both
15:51<Matteh>anyone else having DNS issues?
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15:52<pharaun>Matheus28: be more specific
15:52<pharaun>my dns to my linode seems just fine
15:52<Matteh>from your linode.
15:52<Matteh>not to
15:52<pharaun>k give me a sec
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15:53<pharaun>seems ok to me
15:53<pharaun>Matheus28: what's the issue exactly?
15:53<Matteh>do you need any ports open inbound for it to work? UDP 53?
15:53<Matteh>tab whore
15:53<Matteh>I'm matteh :|
15:53<pharaun>:| tabfail
15:53<Matteh>root@has:~# nslookup
15:53<Matteh>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
15:53<Matteh>thats the issue.
15:54<BarkerJr>Quicksilver: sorry, I use centos, so I don't know apt-get
15:54<HoopyCat>Matteh: you'll probably need to allow responses from DNS servers, yes
15:54<Quicksilver>Barker, np thanks for the help :)
15:55<pharaun>Matteh: yes, whats your firewall rule, going to need some sort of inbound or connection-tracking to allow the reply back
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15:55<Matteh>fixed :)
15:55<Matteh>iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT
15:55<pharaun>\o/ there you go :)
15:56<Matteh>I've got it locked down
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15:56<Matteh>basically everything inbound apart from what i let in, is blocked
15:56<BarkerJr>if you do that, you make yourself vulnerable to reflection attacks
15:56<Matteh>guess i forgot about 53 lol
15:56<pharaun>BarkerJr: reflection attack?
15:56<BarkerJr>someone spoofs your IP and queries a ton of DNS servers
15:57<BarkerJr>the dns servers reply back to your server
15:57<pharaun>BarkerJr: ah, wouldn'
15:57<pharaun>fucking <cr> anyway wouldn't just restricting what you accept work but in the end your bw is still going to be nom'd up anyway
15:58<BarkerJr>though I guess your server wouldn't spend time sending "refused" packets
15:58<pharaun>true that
16:00<supine>Matteh: why aren't you using conntrack and accepting "established,related"
16:00<Alexander>Hello everyone. :-) I have read that Linode can works as a DNS manager... but... (I am new to the VPS world) - that means I have to point my domain to,, etc... and then I will have to add my domain in the DNS manager?
16:01<supine>Matteh: DNS uses TCP too...
16:01<jkwood>BarkerJr: Better sending "refused" packets than using the MIRROR target.
16:01<Alexander>But what if someone else on the Linode DNS Manager has "stole" my domain? Already added it on Linode??
16:02<BarkerJr>so add your domain to the dns manager first, then point to ns1, etc
16:02<null>Matheus28: dunno on the limiting bw but you would be well recommended to 1) soak it up or 2) shut it down and have it null routed
16:02<null>boo nickalerts
16:03<Alexander>Hmm. Lets say you add in you DNS manager, but that is my domain. When I point my domain to, then you have control over the domain??
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16:04<Matheus28>Alexander, I think you need to configure using the service you used to create that domain
16:04<Quicksilver>Possibly a dumb question. I am currently using bash and would like to make it so tab tries to autofill commands/files. Is this a possibility? I thought I have used bash before and it worked like that but doesn't seem to be doing so now?
16:05<BarkerJr>Alexander: I would assume that if you try to add to your dns manager and it's already added by someone else, it'll refuse to do it
16:06<encode>table 12.1 of
16:06<encode>right click fail, sorry
16:06<Peng>Quicksilver: What distro? There might be some package for it.
16:06<pharaun>Quicksilver: you have 2 kind of tab in bash, the normal one for command/files and there's some scripts/etc that adds one that will do commands, etc...
16:06<Quicksilver>Peng: debian 6
16:07<pharaun>Quicksilver: look for bash0completion iirc ?
16:07<Quicksilver>pharaun: right now it's not even completing files or commands for me
16:07<Quicksilver>pharaun: will look for that, thanks
16:07<Peng>Alexander: Yes, you can go and add someone else's domain name to the DNS manager. This is not a problem for them unless they set it to use, which would be stupid to do if they haven't added the zone to the manager themselves first.
16:07<pharaun>cat .basr
16:08<pharaun>:| fail
16:08<Quicksilver>Wait i'm an idiot. It's working now without any changes. I wonder if perhaps I was lagging or something, the internet connection here is extremely poor
16:08<pharaun>Quicksilver: anyway are you sure you are indeed using bash? i've never had bash not working with tab-completion
16:09<pharaun>Quicksilver: hah if its laggy its going to take a bit :> i know cos i used a 3000msec sat connection \o/
16:09<Quicksilver>Yep, sattelite here too :/
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16:10<Kenny>I've used 3000msec wifi...
16:10<Kenny>Worst N router ever. ;)
16:10<robinetd>hoohaw, satellite.
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16:11<robinetd>If ever I have to go back to satellite, I will be very depressed.
16:11<HoopyCat>Alexander: in general, if someone's camping on your domain in the dns manager, open a ticket before you change your nameserver records at your registrar. (also, you can/should add your domain to the dns manager before changing your domain's nameservers)
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16:12<Kenny>robinetd: If you have to go back to satellite, I happen to have a local copy of the internet you can borrow.
16:12<robinetd>Kenny: Does it update in real time?
16:12<robinetd>Single-player IRC!
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16:12<Alexander>Thanks, cool HopyCat. Thanks all. ;)
16:12<Quicksilver>Any apt-get pros around that could tell me why it's not finding java. I tried apt-get update and apt-cache search sun-java returns no results. I also can't install java-package which from what I'm reading is needed to install java from the online bin files
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16:13<GLaDOSDan>any known london issues? (again)
16:13<HoopyCat>Alexander: there are protections in place so that you can't add, say, "" to your account when i have "" on my account, as well :-)
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16:13<Peng>GLaDOSDan: Not so far.
16:13<robinetd>Quicksilver: Depends on the distribution.
16:13<HoopyCat>Alexander: there are protections in place so that you can't add, say, "" to your account when i have "" on my account, as well :-) (you musta known i had more to say, haha)
16:13*Peng adds com!
16:13<Quicksilver>robinet, using debian 6 if that helps :/
16:13<Peng>GLaDOSDan: That is, not that #linode knows of.
16:13<robinetd>Quicksilver: A lot of distributions you have to enable non-free repositories. Try adding non-free and contrib to your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
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16:13<Alexander>Hehe. I closed the wrong window. Thanks. Great to hear that people cannot steal my awesome domains. ;)
16:13<robinetd>Although openjdk might work for your needs.
16:14<Peng>GLaDOSDan: For all we know, maybe the data center's on fire, and everybody else is just asleep, so you're the first one to come in here complaining about it. :D
16:14<Kenny>Wow, my linode just had an entire MINUTE of lag to the server there
16:14<Peng>(Use of the word "complaining" is not meant to sound rude.)
16:14<GLaDOSDan>Kenny: what dc are you in
16:14<HoopyCat>Quicksilver: per, it looks like you want sun-java6-something, and it is in non-free
16:14<mac-mini|ssh>i'm getting a lot of packet loss to my vps in london
16:14<GLaDOSDan>me too
16:14<Kenny>GLaDOSDan: London
16:14<GLaDOSDan>London is having issues
16:14<GLaDOSDan>it's official!
16:15<HoopyCat>i am having about 3% packet loss to london, but i also have 3% packet loss to the entire internet right now since my wife turned on the television
16:15<Quicksilver>robinet/hoopy: thanks. I will look into that
16:15<mac-mini|ssh>121 packets transmitted, 22 packets received, 81.8% packet loss
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16:15<Peng>GLaDOSDan: Hey, you were first. Congrats. :D
16:15<Alexander>Another question. And this is a very subjective question - Debian 6 vs Ubuntu 10.04? I have played with both the whole weekend, but I cannot figure out which is best... I actually think they are kinda like the same. Ubuntu is maybe a little bit easier? The only difference I found, was AutoMySQLBackup did not work on Ubuntu, but worked on Debian.
16:15<Kenny>(My client lagged through the "london issue" part of the chat, so I didn't notice people complaining. ;D)
16:15<Peng>Alexander: It really is subjective...
16:15<Alexander>I know. ;)
16:16<HoopyCat>Alexander: for servers, they are "almost" "identical", just with releases snapshotted at different times
16:16<publiccert>If I want to setup a Linode for a customer but they don't want an account right away, can I create a Linode for them then have it migrated to their user account a few days later?
16:16<Peng>Alexander: Check for something objective -- like, say, one has an older version of some package you want.
16:16<Peng>publiccert: Sure. File tickets.
16:16<mwalling>publiccert: yup, with a ticket
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16:16<publiccert>Great, thanks guys
16:16<publiccert>I just didn't want to spend the money otherwise :P
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16:16<GLaDOSDan>i have increased latency but my packets are getting through
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16:16<AviMarcus>ssh is responding normally, GLaDOSDan
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16:16<Peng>mtr, anyone?
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16:17<GLaDOSDan>whats the command again
16:17<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
16:17<Alexander>Well - so the server would just about the same rather I choose Ubuntu or Debian?
16:17<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: on your local machine, mtr
16:17<linbot>GLaDOSDan: (mtrlondon <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1".
16:17<ataylor>anyone else having a problem with london146 or london in general?
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16:17<linbot>BarkerJr: [mtr] 13 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 71.5ms
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16:17<mac-mini|ssh>i'm on london128
16:18<linbot>BarkerJr: [mtr] 11 hops, 60.0%/115.9ms
16:18<BarkerJr>60% loss?
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16:18<drake127>london126 practically unreachable for me (from Czech Rep.)
16:18<AviMarcus>I'm on 59 and 206
16:18<GLaDOSDan>yes, BarkerJr
16:18<maushu>BarkerJr, Keep on Truckin'
16:19<Kenny>Great. 3 minutes and 10 seconds lag to the IRC server.
16:19<BarkerJr>bbl, going to watch The Burbs :)
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16:19<AviMarcus>both of mine are fine
16:19<silverblade>im on london247 - whch seems responsive to me
16:19<ataylor>pingdom reported hm, pingdom just reported back up for my vps on london146
16:19<Peng>ataylor: As you can see, yes.
16:19<HoopyCat>Kenny: unfortunately, traffic from you to the IRC server appears normal
16:19<silverblade>so if its a problem in london its only partial...
16:20<Kenny>HoopyCat: That's "fortunately", also, I have no lag TO my linode
16:20<GLaDOSDan>there were london issues this morning too
16:20<GLaDOSDan>any official word, caker ?
16:20<drake127>Indeed ... minimum loss on ns5
16:20<WoodWork>London4 is rocking./
16:20<Kenny>It's just a 3 minutes and 10 second lag for all messages to show up. :P
16:20<mwalling>Kenny: then reco. because magnet is fine
16:20<LadyNikon>Kenny: i get that randomly from georgia
16:20<GLaDOSDan>mtr from me to london:
16:20<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: open a ticket for official words; IRC is usually not a good place to get them
16:21<Kenny>GLaDOSDan: Ouch.
16:21<GLaDOSDan>Yeah it's pretty bad
16:21<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: ooh that's weird.
16:21<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: that's looking pretty far upstream of linode
16:22<GLaDOSDan>but I'm losing connection to multiple IRC servers too
16:22<drake127>Up and running now (london128). Same happened to me few hours ago. I believe it just go away shortly.
16:22<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: if it's far enough upstream, it will impact a crapload of stuff
16:22<AviMarcus>where are you GLaDOSDan ?
16:22<GLaDOSDan>North Wales
16:22<AviMarcus>oh. Closer than me, then. I'm in Israel.
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16:22<Quicksilver>okay I'm fully confused on how to add the non-free packages to the /etc/apt/sources.list I see them talking about non-free on but I don't see any ftp url that I could add that would contain the actual packages. Any advice?
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16:23<marc>does the linode backup service offer the ability to download the backup images?
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16:23<Peng>marc: No.
16:23<WoodWork>I do get some loss too!
16:23<GLaDOSDan>hm, where are you WoodWork ?
16:23<marc>peng: so you pay for it and you don't get to safe keep your backups?
16:23<HoopyCat>Quicksilver: while i try to find where they put the darned instructions... are you sure you need the sun java stuff and not openjdk?
16:23<WoodWork>In the UK,
16:23<WoodWork>100miles from London.
16:24<GLaDOSDan>AviMarcus: could you do an MTR to a london node?
16:24<GLaDOSDan>or someone outside the UK
16:24<Quicksilver>hoopy, I really don't know. All my google results for 'install jdk on debian' seem to be instructions for using the sun jdk not openjdk
16:24<linbot>GLaDOSDan: [mtr] 11 hops, globix-118206-ldn-b2.c.telia: 20.0%/93.9ms, 20.0%/94.1ms
16:24<linbot>Kenny: [mtr] 8 hops, telecity.ge9-9.br02.ldn01.pc: 20.0%/110.4ms
16:25<Peng>marc: "safe keep"?
16:25<mwalling>Quicksilver: unless you know you need the orcale jdk, use openjdk
16:25<WoodWork>To my London node!
16:25<GLaDOSDan>nevermind, AviMarcus
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16:25<AviMarcus>my last Israel node has 50% loss
16:25<HoopyCat>Quicksilver: well yeah, because you don't need instructions for installing openjdk ;-) apt-get install openjdk-6-jre (or -jdk, or whatnot) should find it
16:25<marc>peng: yes, get it off the cloud
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16:26<Peng>marc: Well, you can always make your own backups, of course.
16:26<WoodWork>GLaDOSDan: Have you sent a support ticket?
16:26<Quicksilver>my main purpose is to have a jre for tomcat, i'll look to see if the open version will work alright
16:26<GLaDOSDan>I will
16:26<mwalling>Quicksilver: it will.
16:27<Quicksilver>mwalling: Thanks i'll give open jdk a shot then :)
16:27<AviMarcus>music off my server is fine, though
16:27<AviMarcus>I'm 3600KM away
16:27<AviMarcus>(voip I mean)
16:27<supine>GLaDOSDan: looks fine from Germany
16:28<AviMarcus>28 miles per milisecond!
16:28<Kenny>AviMarcus: Music over VoIP?!
16:28<AviMarcus>music on hold
16:28<AviMarcus>pre-configured. Easy way to test the connection and stuff.
16:28<HoopyCat>Quicksilver: tracking it back, tomcat6 will default to installing openjdk-6-jre-headless
16:28<Kenny>Awesome. You need to let me in on that. I've only written music streaming and caching servers, no VoIP integration. :P
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16:28<AviMarcus>it came pre-set up with freeswitch
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16:29<AviMarcus>but freeswitch can play any wav natively, and any mp3 with mod_shout
16:29<HoopyCat>Kenny: exten => s,n,MusicOnHold
16:29<AviMarcus>that's for asterisk, I guess
16:29<HoopyCat>exten => s,1,Answer
16:29<HoopyCat>exten => s,n,MusicOnHold
16:30<GLaDOSDan>okay, I opened a ticket, WoodWork
16:30<Quicksilver>hoopy: sweet, thanks for the info :)
16:30<WoodWork>Ah okay, let me know - if you would. :)
16:30<GLaDOSDan>will do
16:30<AviMarcus>*9664 I think, preconfigured in FS
16:30<AviMarcus>or maybe default is 9664
16:30<HoopyCat>Quicksilver: also, "apt-get install tomcat6" :-) and possibly tomcat6-docs and tomcat6-examples
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16:31<mwalling>so what are you putting in tomcat?
16:31*mwalling finds jetty better for simple war containering
16:31<mwalling>container is now a verb!
16:31<Quicksilver>trying to set up a jsp/jsf server
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16:35<GLaDOSDan>and for those with issues in london
16:35<GLaDOSDan>We identified a network attack targeting another customer and resolved it at this time. Things should be back to normal now.
16:35<WoodWork>Ah cool stuff!
16:35<AviMarcus>GLaDOSDan, just in a ticket? not posted anywhere?
16:36<AviMarcus>"another customer" ? meaning... not you?
16:36<GLaDOSDan>That was a ticket I opened
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16:43<dominikh>GLaDOSDan: hm, what kind of issues?
16:43<dominikh>GLaDOSDan: and when?
16:43<GLaDOSDan>packet loss / about 20 minutes ago
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16:45<dominikh>ah, hm. I opened a ticket regarding that 2 days ago but it resolved itself one day ago already. Maybe not connected then :)
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16:50<Quicksilver>hoopy: I used apt-get to install tomcat, but cannot seem to locate where it was installed to -_- Any idea where that might be?
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16:50<AviMarcus>sudo update db && locate tomcat ?
16:50<LadyNikon>they have a cmd version of tomcat?
16:50<AviMarcus>erm, that's one word
16:51<AviMarcus>usually installed to /usr/local
16:51<HoopyCat>Quicksilver: it'll usually be installed as a system service, so probably configuration in /etc/tomcat6, docs in /usr/share/doc/tomcat6, etc
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16:52<Quicksilver>kk, thanks everyone
16:52<LadyNikon>i keep wanting to install gui services on my linode
16:53<LadyNikon>but that would defeat the learning purpose of the dang thing
16:53<LadyNikon>but that lazy wench in the back of my head keeps saying " do it.."
16:53<LadyNikon>" do it.."
16:53<SleePy>GUIs are for losers :D
16:53<pharaun>this ^^^ \o/
16:53<dominikh>even more importantly: GUIs suck.
16:54<LadyNikon>lol thank you for the moral support :D
16:55<pharaun>LadyNikon: we're always going to be here \o/ anytime you need moral support come in and say hi
16:55<LadyNikon>pharaun: \o/
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16:56<AviMarcus>yes, I agree with dominikh
16:56<@caker>can't. stop. getting. weaker.
16:56<pharaun>caker: i stand corrected
16:56<Matheus28>GUIs are actually good...
16:56<SleePy>Who needs proper english either :D
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16:56<pharaun>Matheus28: in some cases sure, but often some stuff can be done much faster and better via console
16:57<AviMarcus>generally, using a gui you never quite have the same understanding or control as knowing how to control
16:57<AviMarcus>I use fusionpbx gui for my freeswitch VoIP server
16:57<dominikh>my dictionary lists "anytime" as the American English alternative to "any time" :>
16:57<AviMarcus>but I still spend most of my time logged into the CLI to see the debug stuff
16:57<Quicksilver>Okay so i've found the logs, the libs, the bins. When I try to start tomcat though, it seems to be really confused and is trying to find the stuff locally instead of where it has been actually split up to.
16:57<Matheus28>Well, I dare you to make a 3d model without a GUI :P
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16:57<pharaun>i would fully support GUI for stuff such as gimp, hugin, etc.... but for system admin.... no
16:57<pharaun>Matheus28: povray \o/
16:58*dominikh hugs pharaun
16:58<pharaun>used to do a ton of stuff with povray \o/ wonders whats up with that project these days
16:58<dominikh>it's still around
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16:58<LadyNikon>im getting sleepy
16:58<pharaun>engrish correction +1 to linbot
16:59<Quicksilver>it's trying to print logs to /usr/share/tomcat6/logs/catalina.out when they are in /var/log/tomcat6/
16:59*LadyNikon changes out coffee IV
16:59<Kenny>dominikh: "anytime" is listed as a variant of "any time", in both Oxfords American English dictionary, as well as Oxfords British English Dictionary :/
16:59<LadyNikon>WHO CARES NERDS
16:59*LadyNikon coughs
16:59<dominikh>Kenny: well maybe then it's correct :o
16:59<pharaun>Quicksilver: hmm look at the config file?
17:00*Kenny throws a spiked bowling ball at LadyNikon
17:00<pharaun>Quicksilver: sadly don't have "ton" of experience with tomcat, used to Websphere myself, but may be able to help a little, check the config file, maybe pointing the logs/etc to the wrong location and how did you install it?
17:00<@caker>Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
17:00<pharaun>caker: \o/ i love to toss that one at people
17:00<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:00<robinetd>buffalo cake?
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17:00<LadyNikon>Kenny: <3
17:01<LadyNikon>badger badger badger...
17:01<Quicksilver>pharaun: installed with get-apt. looking for conf files right now. I'm a bit slow using cli
17:01*robinetd throws a blue turtle shell at Kenny.
17:01<robinetd>LadyNikon: MUSHROOM MUSHROOM you lost the game SNAAAAAAAAAAKE
17:01<pharaun>Quicksilver: heh takes a while but in the end cli will be better \o/
17:01<HoopyCat>hmm, buffalo wings
17:01<pharaun>HoopyCat: bw3!
17:01<LadyNikon>must... not... look.. for..linnk..
17:02*Kenny lets robinetd get ahead of him
17:02*Kenny watches robinetd being hit by his own blue turtle shell
17:02<pharaun>Razor "captures all executable code within the Windows operating system and running programs that can be found in physical memory," said HBGary, and it then "'detonates' these captured files within a virtual machine and performs extremely low level tracing of all instructions.
17:02-!-bixgomez [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:02<pharaun>LULZ loves how they say "detonates"
17:02<LadyNikon>ARGH a snake..
17:02<LadyNikon>i love that part.
17:03<robinetd>LadyNikon: that isn't a snake.
17:03<pharaun>Quicksilver: ah, hmm any chance of tossing up the config file up on !pb ?
17:03*LadyNikon is easily amused
17:03<LadyNikon>"Weebl......can i PLEASE have some of whatever. the fuck you get high with?" <- youtube comment to the uploader
17:03<HoopyCat>pharaun: quimby's or gtfo
17:04<Quicksilver>pharaun, if you tell me what that means and how to do it :p
17:04<robinetd>LadyNikon: It's probably a combination of shrooms, lsd and cocaine.
17:04<HoopyCat>detonates (dee-ton-WAH), v., French, to stack trace
17:04<pharaun>HoopyCat: hahaha, sadly i've always attended to bw3 which is the "canonical place" where most of the deaf kids i knew went to :\
17:04<pharaun>HoopyCat: thus the mystery is solved /o\
17:04<pharaun>Quicksilver: !pb
17:04<HoopyCat>pharaun: proximity to RIT probably has a lot to do with it, too
17:05<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
17:05<pharaun>!pb damn you linbot
17:05<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
17:05<robinetd>pharaun: FAIL.
17:05*robinetd slaps a fail sticker in the center of pharaun's forehead.
17:05<pharaun>>:( linbot should pb anyway its unnatural to say blahblah <cr> !pb
17:05<LadyNikon>i swear i thought that said "dammit paste here, not in the channel"
17:05<robinetd>Anyone got a dunce hat for pharaun?
17:06<Quicksilver>okay now give me a few min to find the appropriate config file
17:06<pharaun>Quicksilver: anyway you can probably just copy the config file locally or cat it and paste the output into the pb
17:06<pharaun>robinetd: nooo i have enough #fail :|
17:06<robinetd>pharaun: twitter fail too? :(
17:06<HoopyCat>pharaun: i convinced the rit redditors to meet up at the tap and mallet at the start of fall... the wide-eyed amazement at the existence of anything north of BHTLR was hilarious
17:06<robinetd>son, I am disappoint.
17:07<pharaun>HoopyCat: XD
17:09<Kenny>pharaun: If you ever fail this much again, follow this nice an easy to understandable instruction sign:
17:09<Kenny>s/an\ /and\ /
17:09<pharaun>Kenny: :o
17:10<Quicksilver>pharaun: Here is one I found, I don't believe this is it but it could be.
17:10<Kenny>pharaun: Or this guy will catch you:
17:10<pharaun>Kenny: oh stop posting pictures of urmom
17:10<robinetd>Kenny: looks like urmom
17:10*robinetd high fives pharaun.
17:11<Kenny>It is
17:11<Kenny>But she's not nearly as nice when she's not paid.
17:11<pharaun>Quicksilver: not sure, could be, can you find out what the catalina.base is ?
17:13<Quicksilver>Normally I believe it's the base directory that you access the bins from. All my experience with tomcat is in windows and everything is kept in 1 directory which is the base. I'm not sure where it's defined though or if it's different in linux/debian
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17:13<pharaun>aha... :\
17:13<pharaun>like i said i'm not exactly the most familiar with tomcat, most of my work experience has to do with websphere
17:14<Quicksilver>like, in this case I *believe* that catalina.base would be /usr/share/tomcat6
17:14<pharaun>Quicksilver: seems to make some sense, would've thought debian packager would've had updated it to point to like /var/log/*something*
17:14<Quicksilver>but again, no idea where they are defining that or how to change it.
17:14<pharaun>Quicksilver: just go redefine the logging directory and restart tomcat and see if that helps
17:15<pharaun>Quicksilver: oh by the way, you said you had tomcat working on the other system, perhaps you could take the config from the new and your old one and compare it ?
17:16<Quicksilver>on both my home system, and our previous server everything is in one directory
17:16<pharaun>Quicksilver: aha
17:16<HoopyCat>debian/ubuntu packages tend to install configuration files in /etc, logs in /var/log, etc, so that everything is where a sysadmin would expect it
17:16<pharaun>this ^^^^ which is why i was asking about the *.base
17:18<Quicksilver>ah, there is another copy of the same files in /etc/tomcat6
17:18<Quicksilver>let me look at those
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17:18<pharaun>Quicksilver: btw how are you "starting" up tomcat anyway ?
17:18<pharaun>i would think there would be like a /etc/init.d or something for starting it up
17:18<Quicksilver>in /usr/share/tomcat6/bin there are some scripts. and
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17:19<HoopyCat>"service tomcat6 start"
17:19<HoopyCat>and with that,
17:20<Quicksilver>cat /usr/share/tomcat6/bin there are some scripts. and
17:21<Quicksilver>ignore that
17:21<pharaun>Quicksilver: heh, try "service tomcat6 start" like hoopy says, and see what happens
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17:22<Quicksilver>aha, that appears to work
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17:22<Quicksilver>let me check the logs and make sure it's logging correctly
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17:23<pharaun>HoopyCat: this ->
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17:24<Quicksilver>yeah the logs are working fine it seems
17:24<Quicksilver>you guys rock btw
17:24<Yaakov>I don't.
17:27<Quicksilver>Now I just gotta figure out how to get tomcat to bind to port 80
17:27<pharaun>er... don't you usually want a web-server/proxy in front of tomcat anyway
17:28<Kenny>yeah, for static content...?
17:28<prettyrobots>Quicksilver: You're going to run Java as root?
17:28<Quicksilver>There seems to be a lot of controversy over that. The main benefit, as far as I could tell, was that using apache was for a lot of static content
17:28<Quicksilver>We actually have pretty minimal static content
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17:29<Quicksilver>Also, apparently you can use jsvc to bind it to port 80 without giving it root privileges
17:29<SleePy>Apache for static content?
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17:29<prettyrobots>Use iptables to port alias.
17:29<Kenny>Yeah, you would use nginx/lighttpd for static content
17:29<prettyrobots>Easier than whatever jsvc is.
17:29<Kenny>Apache for dynamic
17:29<SleePy>Yea.. That is what I was thinking Kenny :P
17:29<Kenny>(or tomcat)
17:29<Kenny>SleePy: I know :P
17:30<Quicksilver>Sorry, most of my knowledge is the result of googling 'tomcat vs apache and tomcat'
17:30<Kenny>Ah, ok
17:30<Kenny>Apache/Tomcat are resource hogs compared to nginx/lighttpd
17:30<pharaun>Kenny: he's hosting a java based website.... jsf something so...
17:31<Quicksilver>I didn't sign up for this to be honest, I hate sys admin but after I finished the site my step dad was like oh I wanted you to add in credit card support too. So now I'm trying to figure out security and all kinds of stuff that i'm brand new to
17:31<prettyrobots>If you have few static resources, then you can just run Tomcat.
17:31<pharaun>hah oh boy :p
17:31<prettyrobots>Run it on port 8080 and add this to your iptables:
17:31<prettyrobots>--iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
17:31<Quicksilver>we have probably, on average, 1.5 users. I would guess peak is probably 5-10 the site isn't a big thing right now so a little overhead doesn't bother me at this point we just want it to be working
17:32<prettyrobots>It can run on 8080 as any user, non-root.
17:32<pharaun>Quicksilver: fair enough, just trying to make sure you guys got a good setup that is secure :) which is important esp with CC processing
17:32<Kenny>Quicksilver: what, you have 1 normal and 1 handicapped user? That's it? :P
17:32<Quicksilver>kenny, don't make fun of cripples :(
17:32<Kenny>(Either very handicapped, or a gnome.)
17:32<pharaun>Quicksilver: yeah do what prettyrobots said, run it on port 8080 non root/whatever and put up that rule for a redirect should do the trick
17:33<prettyrobots>Because I've run that in production and it runs fine and if no one is listening to me I'll leave you to your convoluted proxies.
17:33<Quicksilver>i'll give that a shot
17:33<pharaun>it would be the simplest/fastest way to get running/etc
17:33<Quicksilver>nope, i am listening :)
17:33<Quicksilver>googling wtf an iptable is right now ;)
17:33<SleePy>The .5 of a person is a kid using his mothers credit card.
17:33<pharaun>iptable == linux firewall stuff
17:34<pharaun>is frozen bubble site still the best reference for iptables?
17:34<prettyrobots>Forgot the interface:
17:34<AviMarcus>Quicksilver, what kind of CC stuff?
17:34<prettyrobots>iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
17:34<AviMarcus>you can't just integrate to paypal / so the secure stuff happens on their side?
17:34<prettyrobots>You have to be running iptables.
17:35<pharaun>AviMarcus: they sell gun related service, and google checkout dropped them so they're doing some sort of merchant account thing... :\
17:35<pharaun>AviMarcus: already warned him about PCI rules and all of that
17:35<AviMarcus> seems to be mostly or actually a merchant account
17:35<AviMarcus>what's PCI?
17:35<AviMarcus>oh security
17:35<mwalling>an expansion card interface
17:35<pharaun>that too :)
17:35<Quicksilver>does let us forgo handling the customer's cc info?
17:36<AviMarcus>yes Quicksilver
17:36<pharaun>Quicksilver: you really don't want to deal with handling the cc info if you can avoid it, it'll get icky quickly
17:36<Quicksilver>Most of the places i've found either want you to handle the cc, or they will but only if you use their checkout system which I don't really want because we've spent at least 50 hours uploading item information to our own db
17:36<AviMarcus>the word "gun" doesn't appear on their TOS
17:37<Quicksilver>and the very few places i've seen that will handle ccs for us won't deal with us because they think we sell weapons
17:37<pharaun>that is such a weird thing imho
17:37<AviMarcus>amazon, paypal, are some of the big ones
17:37<prettyrobots>"is associated with the sale of firearms."
17:37<prettyrobots>Does appear in the TOS.
17:37<Quicksilver>although to be honest we don't actually sell weapons. we sell parts and tooling for guns.
17:37<AviMarcus>oh well :(
17:37<pharaun>AviMarcus: XD ouch, but i find the whole "firearm" thing to be really damn weird to be honest
17:38<Quicksilver>yeah, nobody can tell me why they won't do it either. or why some will do it
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17:38<pharaun>Quicksilver: can you check... paypal ? see if its in their ToS ?
17:38<prettyrobots>Firearm friendly credit card processing is a separate thing.
17:38<AviMarcus>dunno. a fundraising place said paypal kicked them off because the raffle tickets they were selling was gambling
17:39<Quicksilver>I wanted to avoid paypal because they are pretty expensive for us aren't they? Plus I don't think a lot of people like using cc through paypal - I don't
17:39<nDuff>ADN? Ugh.
17:39<AviMarcus>Quicksilver, paypal isn't really too expensive
17:39<pharaun>i don't have any firearms so i'm not familiar there, but maybe it all has to do with the background checks ??
17:39*nDuff dumped them for BrainTree, and is much, much happier.
17:39<nDuff>...but if you're looking for cheap-for-low-volumes, maybe that's not the right thing.
17:39<AviMarcus>I'm not sure what merchant accounts usually charge, but paypal is ~= google checkout ~= amazon
17:39<pharaun>nDuff: well he sells firearm related stuff which most processors won't deal with
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17:40<AviMarcus>Amazon: "Firearms and Weapons - includes ammunition, guns, rifles, shotguns, pistols, other firearms, knives (automatic, spring-loaded knives, throwing, etc.), brass knuckles, or other weapons."
17:40<AviMarcus>hmm, you don't sell actual weapons or ammo?
17:40<Quicksilver>See, technically we abide by that.
17:41<AviMarcus>it's up to them, though
17:41<AviMarcus>I guess you have a credit-card swiper in your store or whatever?
17:41<AviMarcus>or it's all web stuff?
17:41<AviMarcus>can you have people call to give you their CC? online stuff you open a whole can of worms about security
17:41<pharaun>problem with doing the credit stuff theirself... ugh, tho couldn't they tell people to just call them and they can deal with the cc that
17:41<Quicksilver>A firearm is normally defined by a certain part inside. I'm not super familiar with it, but it's the part that has the serial number on it for registering the gun. If you sell those you sell guns. If you don't, you sell gun parts. We do not sell those but at least with google they said it was close enough
17:41<Quicksilver>avi, that's our current system but he is really set on getting credit cards online
17:42<pharaun>Quicksilver: so its like service parts/etc.... but not "whole" guns or *that* serial registered part ?
17:42<Quicksilver>google had us online for 3 days and they made more sales in those 3 days than in 2 weeks of normal business
17:42<prettyrobots>Use the Alta-Vista: Credit Card Processing Firearms.
17:42<Quicksilver>phar, correct.
17:42<AviMarcus>there are loads of online credit card processing gateways
17:42<Quicksilver>Many places say it's close enough and with google you can't actually talk to anyone to explain the difference so even if they might allow it you can't talk to them to try to figure something out
17:42<AviMarcus>I dunno how many are good, but there has to be at least one
17:42<pharaun>Quicksilver: well you really really really do *not* want to deal with cc yourself, you want to offload it to someone else
17:43<Quicksilver>pharaun, i know but I can't seem to find any options right now
17:43<pharaun>amazon ?
17:43<AviMarcus>paypal only lists firearms in an exclusion for reimbursement
17:43<Peng>Quicksilver: They usually stick the serial number on several things, no?
17:44<pharaun>always thought the serial number was just the "whole" gun itself ?
17:44<Quicksilver>peng, that could be. I'm not very familiar with it - but the way it was explained to me is that there is a specific part in the firearm that is defined as the gun itself. It's the only part the needs registration
17:44<Peng>I think technicalities about what's technically a "gun" come up with people selling M16 kits.
17:44*Peng shrugs
17:44<AviMarcus>ah - you can't use paypal for: " or (h) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, "
17:44<AviMarcus>ask them which certain parts? :P
17:45<pharaun>any chance you can call them up and ask?
17:45<robinetd>That's retarded.
17:45<prettyrobots>Here's an example shutdown letter from Citi.
17:45<Quicksilver>phar, afaik there is one certain piece that defines the gun. for example if you sell the barrel, that clearly isn't a fire arm. Or if you sell the trigger that isn't a firearm. this just happens to be the piece they drew the line for I think
17:45<pharaun>AviMarcus: i feel the "certain firearm parts" fall under the whole serial key stuff he was talking about
17:45<bob2>paypal in stupid rule shocker
17:45<bob2>film at 11
17:46<AviMarcus>wow, they gave them a whole month :)
17:46<Quicksilver>i'll give paypal a call and see what we can do
17:46<Quicksilver>the difficult part is finding a place that accepts firearms AND will handle all the cc stuff so it never touches our servers. i'm not sure what to search for to get the second part
17:47<AviMarcus>online payment processors
17:47<AviMarcus>online credit card gateway
17:47<AviMarcus>that kind of stuff
17:47<AviMarcus>ofc, then you start getting shady websites
17:47<AviMarcus>or at least, places no one has ever heard of :P
17:47<pharaun>really don't want to touch the shady sites esp with CC data
17:48<mwalling>lock a fax machine in a file cabinet and call it secure fax and have customers send cc numbers to that
17:48<Quicksilver>that was the nice part of google, had a good name standing behind it. plus google charged us lower fees than if we charged the credit card ourselves here in the shop
17:48<pharaun>Quicksilver: perhaps you could talk to some other gun sites, etc and ask them how they deal with it ?
17:48<AviMarcus>heh article:
17:48<Quicksilver>we do take cc by fax and phone, but you miss out on a ton of customers by not taking it online
17:49<Quicksilver>how do i copy non url text from mirc?
17:49-!-Zr40 [] has quit [Quit: leaving]
17:49<pharaun>select then copy ?
17:49<GLaDOSDan>just highlight it, Quicksilver
17:49<AviMarcus>that site says: Copyright © 2010 Electronic Transfer, Inc. is a registered ISO/MSP of Westamerica Bank, Santa Rosa, CA..
17:50<AviMarcus>Dunno what westarmerica bank it
17:50<Quicksilver>lol. yeah i was dragging from past where the text ended. thought maybe mirc was trying to prevent me...
17:50<AviMarcus>anyway, good luck, and good night
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17:51<Quicksilver>this outdoorbusinessnetwork looks promising
17:51<prettyrobots>Unrelated: Why can't I get onto freenode?
17:51<bob2>get onto = ?
17:51<Peng>prettyrobots: I don't know, why can't you? What happens?
17:51<pharaun>isn't freenode having issue?
17:51<Peng>pharaun: It is?
17:52<jtsage>can't be that bad of issues, my connection has been stable all day
17:52<prettyrobots>I'm waiting for it to bomb out again so I can describe what's happening.
17:52<Peng>I pinged out earlier, actually.
17:52<Peng>And then couldn't connect to asimov.
17:52<prettyrobots>It was telling me that I need to identify via SASL.
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17:53<Peng>prettyrobots: What are you, on Tor? Or a suspicious ISP?
17:53<prettyrobots>What is Tor?
17:53<pharaun>Peng: tbh don't know :) just heard someone saying something bout it
17:53<prettyrobots>I'm connecting via my iPhone via tethering.
17:54<pharaun>tor is some sort of anonymous network that will bounce you around and etc
17:54<Peng>prettyrobots: may help
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18:00<sean>is it possible to host a sub-domain on another vps and use it as the host-mask?
18:00<@caker>a host mask?
18:00<@caker>you mean proxy through it so the reverse dns is of the other IP?
18:01<prettyrobots>Thanks for answering my general IRC question. Laters.
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18:01<@caker>sean: yes, by proxying through that host
18:02<sean>how would i do that?
18:02<@caker>by running something that proxies on that host
18:02<Peng>sean: So, um, what exactly are you trying to do?
18:02<@caker>l33t rdnsz0r
18:03<robinetd>caker r 1337 h4x0r.
18:03<Peng>Linode requires that your rDNS forward-confirm.
18:04<sean>so i host a domain on server1, i want to host a subdomain of that domain on server 2
18:04<Peng>sean: Sure, go ahead.
18:04<sean>and when i browse internet on server2 my host name, should be the seb domain
18:04<sean>like when i irc and stuff
18:04<sean>but i dont know how?
18:04<pharaun>sean: via a proxy
18:04<Peng>sean: OK, why? Why not host that subdomain on server1? Or actually browse from server2?
18:05<sean>well, server1 is just a webhost
18:05<@caker>are you actually hosting anything? because that implies foward dns (A records in the zone and stuff).
18:05<@caker>Otherwise it's just the RDNS of the IPs...
18:05<pharaun>sean: for irc what i have is i have znc on a machine and it proxys/etc irc for me and it looks like the traffic is coming from that machine
18:05<SleePy>Why are you browsing the inet from server2?
18:06<sean>i tunnel through server2
18:06<Peng>sean: OK...What's the problem, then? What's server2's rDNS set to?
18:06<sean>at public places and at work
18:06<SleePy>So its important for google to know your rdns is sub.domain.tld?
18:06<Peng>Hells yeah!
18:06<sean>its not important, i just want to..
18:07<SleePy>Well you just need to setup rDNS still
18:07<null>district 9 was an epic movie
18:08<sean>how would i setup rDNS?
18:08<pharaun>null: just now saw it ?
18:08<pharaun>null: nice delay :p its not bad movie imho
18:08<Peng>!library reverse DNS
18:08<linbot>Peng: 1. Use Unbound for Local DNS Resolution on Fedora 14 ( - 2. Use Unbound for Local DNS Resolution on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) ( - 3. Use Unbound for Local DNS Resolution on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) (
18:08<null>netflix just recommended to me
18:08<null>so i saw it
18:08<@pparadis>sean: see the "remote access" tab in the linode manager to set reverse dns on a linode.
18:09<@pparadis>but i'm thinking from what you've been saying that it doesn't actually matter.
18:09<@pparadis>i assume what you're after is simply making your traffic appear to be coming from somewhere else (say the vps or whatever).
18:10<@pparadis>you could use something openvpn for that, or other proxy/bouncer software on the vpn, as others have mentioned.
18:10<@pparadis>s/something/something like/
18:10<sean>yes pretty much
18:10<pharaun>i like znc for irc, and i would highly recommend openvpn for other traffic
18:11<@pparadis>damnit i did it again
18:11<sean>i use ZNC too and love it
18:11<robinetd>You did. :P
18:11*pparadis runs away crying.
18:11*robinetd shrugs.
18:12<robinetd>also inception sucked.
18:12<robinetd>anyone who disagrees is messed up :(
18:12<pharaun>heh what made you think it suck?
18:12<robinetd>the fact that it sucked.
18:13<robinetd>dreams inside of dreams inside of dreams. Inside of dreams.
18:13<robinetd>It's dreams all the way down.
18:13<robinetd>Illusionist was better.
18:13<dominikh>inception was nice. it wasn't "omggreat" and a bit too much hyped, but it was definitely nice.
18:13<pharaun>*this* i liked it but i'm not going to go omg best evar! and \o/ i liked illusionist!
18:14<robinetd>"lolol we're going to kill ourselves to wake up"
18:14<robinetd>most emo movie I've ever seen.
18:14<robinetd>also inb4 spoiler
18:14<SelfishMan>the southpark spoof was better
18:14<pharaun>the main part i liked was the whole city folding up and part of the end, few other part :)
18:18<robinetd>the illusionist was cool because it wasn't all "pewpew we're faking action in a dream, added suspense we'll really die. Pew pew."
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18:18<robinetd>I want my 2 hours back.
18:19<null>time for lord of the rings now o_o
18:19<null><3 netflix
18:19<robinetd>I watched all 3 matrix movies. I want my 9 hours back.
18:19<robinetd>No it wasn't :(
18:20<pharaun>the last movie was *very* wtf
18:20<robinetd>people farms!
18:20<robinetd>We're being grown on a corn stalk!
18:20<robinetd>If I said that wasn't the worst movie I'd ever seen, I'd be lying. :(
18:20<Quicksilver>robinet, wait til the next matrix comes out then you'll really want your wasted hours back
18:21<robinetd>Quicksilver: Not going to watch it. Shit sucked.
18:21<Quicksilver>robinet: you didn't even like the first one though?
18:21<pharaun>wait what, they're coming out with another matrix movie 0_o
18:23<dominikh>robinetd: I have the feeling that you dislike inception, matrix and co because... you don't get them :P
18:23<linbot>New news from forums: TOR in General Discussion <>
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18:26<Quicksilver>so inception. is he still in his wife's dream at the end?
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18:27<Quicksilver>who's dream is he in?
18:27<dominikh>.. wait, what? in his wife's dream?
18:27<dominikh>no dream
18:27<Quicksilver>yeah the last scene is the top NOT falling over
18:27<pharaun>you did see the top slowing down but you never saw it stopping, plus you guys didn't see his wedding ring on his hand, its hidden
18:27<Quicksilver>he's in somebody's dream?
18:27<pharaun>re-watch and look at his hand, he has a wedding ring on it sometime, sometime not
18:28<dominikh>a) the kids in the ending scene were played by different actors and were wearing different cloths
18:28<Karrde>not this shit again
18:28<Quicksilver>wedding ring and tainted top aside - he has to be in somebody's dream because the top doesn't fall over
18:28<dominikh>b) his totem wasn't spinning nicely, and that never happened before
18:28<dominikh>c) the director somewhere said that he was in fact not dreaming anymore
18:28<Quicksilver>irl tops fall over
18:28<Karrde>the top was wobbling
18:29<pharaun>yes but you never saw if he had his wedding ring on or not, it was his personal totem iirc
18:29<Karrde>also, he doesn't care if it falls or not: he walks away
18:29<SleePy>You never see if the top falls or not. It cuts off before it does
18:29<Quicksilver>the top wasn't his totem?
18:29<dominikh>irl reality doesn't end when the director says "cut"..
18:29<dominikh>the movie was over
18:29<Karrde>the top was Mal's totem
18:29<pharaun>the top was his wife's
18:29<Quicksilver>oh shit that's right
18:29<Karrde>he has his children, leave Leo alone :(
18:30<Quicksilver>yeah but maybe inception 2: thrust deeper will be about his wife waking him up and him getting to live his life with his real kids
18:30<Quicksilver>yeah, that's the unrealistic part of the movie
18:31<pharaun>hey you need to have motivation for him to get back into the good ol' usa :p
18:32<Quicksilver>i'm gonna be honest it's not super hard for a white guy to sneak into the us
18:32<dominikh>now, a way more important question: at the end of Matrix 3: is Neo dead? :P
18:32<pharaun>dominikh: neo is now a god
18:32<Quicksilver>no he is in the matrix within the matrix
18:32<dominikh>pharaun: he always was :)
18:32<Quicksilver>he was never irl, always in the matrix
18:35<Quicksilver>matrix question - where is the intake of nutrition for the humans coming from? i know they liquidify them and feed them to each other but there has to be an input somewhere
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18:36<pharaun>Quicksilver: nanite goop?
18:36<Quicksilver>what does that even mean?
18:36<pharaun>Quicksilver: feck if i know :)
18:39<robinetd>You're still talking about this crap? :o
18:39<SleePy>Oh my.. I have cookies, but no milk.. :(
18:39<LadyNikon>oh noes.. matrix theory?
18:39<robinetd>LadyNikon: stupid fiction shows that suck hardcore.
18:39<LadyNikon>the first one was awesome
18:40<robinetd>They all sucked.
18:40<LadyNikon>robinetd: what didnt you like about the first one?
18:46<pharaun>he does not like to keep his comrade warm ;)
18:46<SleePy>So someone posted a link to znc. If I read it right, I could setup znc on my vps and then set my irc client on my system up to connect to my vps znc?
18:46<robinetd>LadyNikon: The fact that it sucked.
18:46<pharaun>znc == irc bouncer, it will keep a log of last X conv in case you disconnect/etc and you connect to the znc machine
18:46<SleePy>No configuration on my client side?
18:47*nDuff questions robinetd's "facts"
18:47<LadyNikon>robinetd: thats not a reason..
18:47<Deezire>irssi or dye trying?
18:47<LadyNikon>thats like said " because" when someone says "why?"
18:47<pharaun>SleePy: just point it toward your znc, if you got ssl, etc on znc you'll need to config your irc client
18:47<robinetd>LadyNikon: I watched it a long time ago. I'm not going to watch it again to tell you why I didn't like it.
18:47*LadyNikon gives a thumbs up
18:48<robinetd>Unless you're paying me. In which case, it's $100 an hour, three hour minimum.
18:48<LadyNikon>yea thats ok
18:48<LadyNikon>considering i am poor
18:48<robinetd><3 :D
18:49<dr_jkl>how do you create a multidomain SSL CSR? Multiple domains in the CN field?
18:51<LadyNikon>no idea
18:51<LadyNikon>did you try the forums?
18:52<nDuff>dr_jkl, using the subjectAltName field
18:52<dr_jkl>if i found it in the forums i wouldn't be asking :)
18:52<dr_jkl>what's the syntax in the opnssl command, tho?
18:52<LadyNikon>i ask here first..
18:52<LadyNikon>and then the forums cause i like real time answers :p
18:52*LadyNikon shrugs
18:53*dr_jkl jfgi's
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19:09<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS: None; Country: Australia; Domains: 2642
19:09<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS21844; ASN owner: Internet Services, Inc.; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Linode LLC; City: Houston; State: Texas; Postal code: 77002; Country: United States; Domains: 14
19:10<SelfishMan>Peng: BREAK IT!!!!!11
19:10<Peng>:O ! It's different!
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19:11<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS21844; ASN owner: Internet Services, Inc.; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Linode LLC; City: Houston; State: Texas; Postal code: 77002; Country: United States; Domains: 14;
19:11<SelfishMan>there we go, forgot the link
19:11<Peng>SelfishMan: If I didn't mention it or you didn't see it, I've worked around the bizarre DNS responses. I've still got evil CNAMEs, though.
19:11<SelfishMan>CNAMEs are THE SUCK
19:12<Peng>I created a DNAME too!
19:12<SelfishMan>I blame google for making CNAMEs popular again
19:12<bob2>it's juts a simple addition to the old rule
19:12<bob2>"don't use CNAMEs (unless google makes you)"
19:12<Peng>Everybody uses CNAMEs nowadays.
19:13<SelfishMan>actually, CNAMEs aren't bad as long as they are in the same zone
19:13<Peng>!dns6 dname
19:13<Peng>SelfishMan: Haha, what would be the fun of that?
19:13<SelfishMan>Peng: did you see the website?
19:13<bob2>what's the point of having them in the same zone?
19:13<bob2>I only use them when I don't control the source zone
19:14<Peng>SelfishMan: Why doesn't it show all the domains? "Showing 2582 out of 2642 total domains"...
19:14<SelfishMan>bob2: for aliasing pop, pop3, imap, imap4, smtp and urmom to mail
19:14<SelfishMan>just an example
19:15<SelfishMan>at least in the same zone you get an additional response
19:15<Peng>I've never understood the point of having a "mail" DNS record.
19:15<SelfishMan>Peng: ==
19:15<Peng>For POP3/IMAP/SMTP clients?
19:15<SelfishMan>it hides the www.
19:15<Peng>SelfishMan: Ah.
19:16<SelfishMan>a lot of the autoconfig stuff on new mobile devices probe for imap, pop, imap4 and pop3 automatically
19:16<SelfishMan>and in that order
19:16<bob2>should use SRV records
19:17<Deezire>I prefer putting all my records in TXT.
19:17<SelfishMan>next you are going to tell me that we are about to run out of IPv4 address space and have to switch to something else
19:17<Yaakov>I use YAAKOV records.
19:18<bob2>wonder if there's anything that uses SRV to find mail stuff
19:18<SelfishMan>I love SRV records but they have about 0.00000001% higher implementation rate than IPv6
19:18<bob2>xmpp and to a smaller extent sip is all I've ever seen use them
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19:22<checkers>SelfishMan: prety sure ipv6 would be higher now
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19:22<SelfishMan>checkers: you poor delusional person
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19:23<Quicksilver>"mysql -u username -p 'password' dbname" is not connecting me. It's just bringing up like i'm not using the command right. ideas?
19:24<purrdeta>either don't put a space between the -p and the password no quotes)... or just leave out the password and it will ask it
19:24<Quicksilver>ah, got it
19:25<Quicksilver>thanks :)
19:25<dr_jkl>Quicksilver: yeah, what purrdeta said
19:25<Maff>I hate DNS propogation. Just set up an ipv6 tunnel + AAAA records on linode. Waiting for the DNS to finish getting set up so I can get past the HE certification tests :<
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19:26<Deezire>I don't think allows tunnels to be used at some parts of the certification.
19:27<purrdeta>Deezire: they do for all parts actually.
19:27<dr_jkl>They have to.
19:27<dr_jkl>Not all of the internet is native ipv6 yet.
19:27<Maff>Linode doesn't offer IPv6 yet, and by damn I'm going to get this certification.
19:27<Deezire><- Sage certified :)
19:27*Maff is an "Explorer"
19:28<Maff>Haven't had a v6-enabled server with an FQDN until now
19:28<Deezire>(protip: exim4 esacapes : with :)
19:28<dcraig>with a smiley face? cute!
19:29<Deezire>heh, i wish, then it'd make more sense.
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19:32<dr_jkl>startcom ssl class 2 verified.
19:32<dr_jkl>that was EASY.
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19:38<SelfishMan>Peng: did you break it yet?
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19:53<@Perihelion>HEARTS FOR ALL
19:54<dr_jkl>yay! \o/
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19:54<HarryD>fuck yeah hearts \m/
19:55<Peng>SelfishMan: Well, the map for didn't work...
19:55<SelfishMan>probably not
19:55<Peng>Oh, never mind, it did!
19:55<Peng>It's just that it was zoomed in on the middle of nowhere!
19:56<@Perihelion>HarryD: That was probably the best respose I've seen to that ever
19:56<Peng>Since the geolocation was so general, it was centered on, like, the middle of Australia, which is apparently empty.
19:56<SelfishMan>I was just about to say that
19:57<Peng>If you turn on the satellite imagery, it's rather pretty.
19:59<Peng>Man, what kind of jerk uses A6?
19:59<Void|work>the paper size?
20:02<HarryD>Void|work: idk
20:02<HarryD>i was thinking of a plane
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20:08<HarryD>i kinda want to make a bot that counts how many times mikegrb says 'lulz'
20:09<Peng>Void|work: The DNS record.
20:09<InitHello>find . -iname #linode.log -exec grep lulz {} \; | wc -l
20:10<dominikh>ruined your stats
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20:10<InitHello>can add a |grep mikegrb in there for added accuracy
20:11<Peng>Oh, wait, I /ignore it, so my logs are useless. Damn.
20:11<Peng>Still got 1159.
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20:11<Peng>Maybe it took me a while to change my ignore rule frol lolz to lulz.
20:11<Maff>grep mikegrb .ircstats -R|grep lulz|wc -l
20:11<InitHello>you do realize that also counts how many times people have said 'lol', too
20:11<aphisone>I have a Google Apps for email, however I would like to set up email to also be sent from my linode via sendmail threw php, is there a guide for this, I couldn't seem to find one?
20:12<Maff>I've been in #linode for about 4 or so days and I got 248 hits.
20:12<Maff>Good god.
20:12<Peng>Maff: What, of mikegrb+lulz?
20:13<Maff>% > grep mikegrb .irclogs -R|grep lulz|wc -l
20:13<bob2>aphisone: don't use sendmail
20:13<bob2>aphisone: what OS?
20:13<aphisone>bob2: what then?
20:13<aphisone>Ubuntu 10.04
20:14<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:14<Peng>1819/2164121 lines of my #linode.log match mikegrb and "mmm cake". (Some of them are probably other people talking about him.)
20:14<Peng>Yes, thank you, mikegrb.
20:14<bob2>aphisone: try ssmtp
20:14<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:14<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:14<bob2>postfix would be great, too, but SASL config is a bit more involved
20:14<bob2>Tiven: :|
20:14<bob2>aphisone: sendmail isn't really a thing to use unless you already know it (or need some feature only it has)
20:15<aphisone>bob2: wouldn't that require the emails to be sent to a smtp server?
20:15<bob2>aphisone: yes, google's
20:15<Maff>Refine it by grepping for "<@mikegrb> lulz", it got 242 hits for me
20:15<bob2>if you just want to send directly from your linode, make sure your hostname is sensible, then install postfix and choose "internet site"
20:15<Maff>Still a damn lot :P
20:16<aphisone>bob2: that's the problem... Google will not be able to handle the email load we generate on a daily biases
20:16<linbot>New news from forums: Firewall advices in General Discussion <>
20:16<bob2>oh, then talk to your sysadmin then
20:16<bob2>you'll need bounce handling etc
20:16<aphisone>bob2: and the tutorial I found on postfix for Ubuntu is for setting up with virtual servers
20:16<null>Contact your System Administrator.
20:17<bob2>aphisone: sure, you don't need that
20:17<aphisone>bob2: vertual hosting
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20:17<bob2>the thing I said is enough to get postfix installed and able to send outgoing mail
20:17<bob2>but if you're sending lots, you need bounce handling, and spf and dkim and blahblahblah
20:17<aphisone>bob2: okay... kewl.. :)
20:17<aphisone>bob2: that's all I needed to know, you rock with socks!
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20:18<@Perihelion>Socks are for suckers.
20:18<bob2>oh, and rdns
20:18<bob2>Perihelion: they make sliding down hallways easier
20:19<aphisone>Perihelion: suckers put shoes one without socks
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20:19<@Perihelion>Bot >:3
20:19<aphisone>bob2: rdns?
20:20<HarryD>now we wait
20:20<bob2>reverse dns :|
20:20<HarryD>rdns is fun
20:21<aphisone>bob2: I need to make sure it's installed and working correctly to get postfix to work?
20:21<bob2>you should make sure your rdns is configured correctly
20:21<bob2>and matches your hostname and heloname
20:21<aphisone>oh... right
20:21<bob2>and that your system's hostname is correct
20:23<@Perihelion>(What are we waiting for)
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20:25<@Perihelion>All that did was anger linbot
20:25<linbot>bob2: Point (0.92642724, 0.31720223) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17666 of 22460 (π ≈ 3.146215494211932 - 0.004622840622139)
20:25<HarryD>oh derp
20:25<HarryD>lulzbot: count
20:25<lulzbot>mikegrb has said lulz 0 times
20:25<InitHello>mmm pie
20:26<HarryD>just what i thought
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20:27<Maff>lulzbot: enumerate
20:27<Maff>it isn't working! :(
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20:27<Maff>did telling it to enumerate crash it?
20:28<HarryD>i knew i should not have used that shitty bot i had
20:28<HarryD>time to make some addons to JPT
20:28<dominikh>what's JPT oO
20:28<Maff>I used to make bots, but pretty much the only feature they had was the ability to have it email a customisable set of logs
20:29<Maff>in any date format
20:29<Maff>the joys of Ruby
20:29<HarryD>an irc but that im making
20:29<HarryD>dominikh: thats what JPT is
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20:29<dominikh>should've called it YAIRCF :P
20:29<dominikh>yet another irc framework
20:30<HarryD>like yaml?
20:30<dominikh>or pretty much anything starting with ya* :)
20:30<HarryD>so it could be YAIRCFWNTFY
20:31<HarryD>Yet Another IRC Framework With Name Taken From YAML
20:31<dominikh>that made me tired. good night :)
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20:34<asdfghjkl>whats up
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20:34<AlmostSavvy>Is there anyway to restore an old backup of something to a newer version of mysql?
20:35<AlmostSavvy>I created this backup about a year ago of a vbulletin forum and im looking to restore the .sql database.
20:35<asdfghjkl>have you tried $ mysqldump --opt -u [uname] -p[pass] [dbname] > [backupfile.sql]
20:35<@caker>in general, there are very few incompatibilities between mysql versions
20:36<@caker>certainly not in the restore process
20:36<StevenK>asdfghjkl: That reads like a backup, I think AlmostSavvy wants to restore.
20:36<asdfghjkl>ahhh yes
20:36<AlmostSavvy>Yes, I'm looking to restore.
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20:37<asdfghjkl>$ mysql -u [uname] -p[pass] [db_to_restore] < [backupfile.sql]
20:37<Maff>What's with all the hostnames I'm seeing? o:
20:37<AlmostSavvy>I tried that
20:37<AlmostSavvy>However it gave me this error
20:37<AlmostSavvy>ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 5137: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '0,'),(cb17,'','sdfk72e851ua',0,01-1),'77473lgs',0,'','''',hc'2,'New52'789er',0,,' at line 1
20:37<InitHello>Maff: java chat client
20:37<InitHello>or cgi
20:37<Maff>InitHello: I didn't know such a thing existed.
20:37<InitHello>java would be their own hostname
20:38<InitHello>Maff: mibbit is one popular cgi-irc client
20:38<asdfghjkl>has anyone setup a TOR relay server?
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20:39<@Perihelion>AlmostSavvy: I forget how to do it via command line, but phpmyadmin has a compatibility mode feature that may be useful
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20:39<@Perihelion>Of course, it means having to use phpmyadmin
20:41<AlmostSavvy>phpmyadmin I thought didn't support uploads bigger than 2mb?
20:41<@Perihelion>You can fiddle with that
20:41<@Perihelion>It depends on php.ini as well
20:42<@Perihelion>Just remember to change the settings back when you're done if you decide to go that route
20:42<@Perihelion>How big is the DB?
20:42<Yaakov>If you delete php.ini it might stop php from working which is a good solution.
20:42<robinetd>Perihelion: over 9000
20:42<@Perihelion>If you punt Yaakov he disappears which is also good
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20:43<@Perihelion>How are you?
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20:43<Quicksilver>do i need to have an ftp server set up on my machine to ftp files to it?
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20:43<asdfghjkl>user sftp, much more sercure
20:43<Maff>You need an FTP server on the machine you're connecting to
20:44<Maff>but use SFTP, you don't have to set up anything because it uses SSH
20:44<Quicksilver>okay, thanks
20:44<Quicksilver>Maff: Will that work if the file is on a windows box?
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20:45<Maff>Quicksilver: Yep. Use something like Filezilla or winscp
20:45<Peng>Although SFTP won't mangle line endings for you.
20:45<Maff>I've only used Filezilla though
20:45<Quicksilver>Okay I have filezilla. You're saying I can sftp without having an ftp server set up on the destination machine?
20:45<Peng>(Though some SFTP clients might.)
20:46<Maff>It'll connect through SSH
20:46<Maff>Just set it to port 22 and give it your domain and login info, it'll work awesomely
20:46<Peng>Quicksilver: SFTP is not FTP. It's a different protocol with a similar purpose that runs over SSH.
20:47<Quicksilver>Sweet, just got connected. Thanks again guys :)
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20:47<robinetd>SPOILER ALERT: Voldemort isn't really dead.
20:47<Maff>was that a real spoiler
20:47<Maff>because I haven't even read the last book yet
20:48<Peng>robinetd: He's running for president in 2012?
20:48<robinetd>Peng: under the alias of Obama.
20:48<robinetd>You see, it's an anagram.
20:48<Maff>Oh yeah, obama has to run for reelection, doesn't he
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20:48<robinetd>Barack Obama -> Tom Marvolo Riddle
20:48<robinetd>He doesn't have to, he could drop out of the campaign. Doubt he'll do that though.
20:49<Quicksilver>You think he'll win again?
20:49<Maff>I hope so, but idk. People are all upset because he wants to make america have happy gays/good health care
20:49<robinetd>Depends on the candidates running.
20:50<nb>Maff, yeah, harry and voldemort both die in the last book, but harry doesn't get really killed, just the part of him that was voldemort's horcrux dies
20:50<Quicksilver>The problem is the Republicans will hate him regardless and the Democrats are getting pissed because he's compromising too much with the Republicans
20:50*Maff is in the UK and has to put up with some douchebag who got bullied during school
20:50<nb>oh, i guess you didn't want me to tell you that Maff
20:50<Maff>david cameron REALLY hates students :(
20:50<Quicksilver>I'm pretty sure Harry Potter spoilers have passed the statute of limitations anyways
20:52<nb>Quicksilver, yeah :)
20:52<Maff>I've got the book kicking around somewhere, I should probably read it
20:52<Quicksilver>When restoring a mysql backup, should the database already exist in the new mysql install?
20:52<nb>it's good
20:53<Quicksilver>because it says Unknown database 'db_name'
20:53<robinetd>You better change that.
20:54-!-Captain_Intern [] has joined #linode
20:54<dominikh>robinetd isn't good with jokes, good movies, memes or... well, anything cool
20:54<Peng>That's why he's in #linode.
20:55<Quicksilver>click the linky
20:55<robinetd>robinetd doesn't remember quotes by heart because he has better things to fill his brain with.
20:55<robinetd>Like pornography.
20:55<Peng>Shit, you're right. I've been doing this all wrong.
20:55<Quicksilver>Yeah but it's like not knowing what lemonparty is....hunter2 is well known
20:55<Peng>hunter2 is more well-known than lemonparty?
20:55<Maff>I know it
20:55<dominikh>Quicksilver: got a link to lemonparty, too?
20:55<@Perihelion>You spin me right round baby right round
20:56<Maff>but that's because I'm a sad bastard and I read bash/qdb all day
20:56<robinetd>Perihelion: Liek a record baby, right round round.
20:56<robinetd>Dead or Alive > you.
20:56<Quicksilver>I'll never be able to listen to that song again without being turned on
20:56<Peng>Maff: It seems to be more about health care than teh gays these days.
20:56<@Perihelion>I'm a cowboy.
20:56<Captain_Intern>Perihelion, the Florida version or original?
20:56<Maff>so they've stopped getting their panties in a wad because obama made Gaypeople Month?
20:56<robinetd>Perihelion: Kid rock makes me sad.
20:57<@Perihelion>Captain_Intern: *
20:57<Captain_Intern>Perihelion: ?
20:57<@Perihelion>robinetd: He's like a country artist now or something which concerns me
20:57<robinetd>Perihelion: The only thing that concerns me is he stops making "music". :(
20:57<Peng>Maff: Shrug. An NYT article I saw a few days ago said the panty-wadding is concentrating on health care and the economy and such.
20:58*robinetd bangs on drums and flails on the guitar while singing "ME A COWBOY BABY"
20:59<Maff>Oh god I'm on :(
20:59<HarryD>robinetd: kid rock is good
20:59<robinetd>HarryD: Whatever helps you sleep at night :D
20:59<Praefectus>robinetd: shush.
20:59<HarryD>hes done well for every genre he has made music for
21:00<HarryD>well im not saying i like him
21:00<robinetd>If his genre is "Crap".
21:00<HarryD>but people like him
21:00<Captain_Intern>Maff, congrats.
21:00<Maff> this too
21:00<Captain_Intern>I've been trying for 8 years never got a single acceptance
21:00*HarryD is listening to a playlist of tool and deadmau5
21:00<robinetd>I wonder if I'm lame enough to be on there.
21:01*robinetd is too lazy to check.
21:01<rlankfo>well, scale was rad.
21:01<rlankfo>linode should have had a booth :D
21:01<InitHello>I'm still not on bash :/
21:01<Maff>robinetd: y'aint on bash.
21:02<Captain_Intern>InitHello, we should make a website for rejected bash quotes.
21:02<robinetd>Maff: Not on this nick anyways.
21:02<InitHello>Captain_Intern: isn't that how started?
21:02<Maff>I'm gonna make a site that's community moderated
21:02<Captain_Intern>InitHello, I didn't even know that existed.
21:02<HarryD>wel the thing is that if you read once you know it all
21:03<HarryD>pretty much
21:03<HarryD>so there is no reason to go back
21:03*Captain_Intern has read it all.
21:03*Captain_Intern twice
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21:03*Maff has read it all four times this month
21:03*Captain_Intern is not as bad as maff I was still in high school
21:03<robinetd>That sir is funny.
21:03<robinetd>It's not me, but I do use that nick on a different network.
21:04<robinetd>weird coincidence. Maybe many people like moose.
21:04<HarryD>robinetd: i did that to your mom O_O
21:04<Captain_Intern>I kenw a guy in HS that did that to whoever he was dating.
21:05<Captain_Intern>except he yelled "I'm spiderman bitch!"
21:05<Maff>I wish there was a way to just get one page of every quote ever
21:05<Captain_Intern>She ducked taped him toa door
21:05<Maff>then I could just sit there with it loaded in less and have people give me weird looks when I laugh my ass off at an ssh screen
21:05<robinetd>go web go!
21:06*robinetd looks at maff.
21:06<Maff>wget && w3c allofthequotes.html > bash && less bash
21:07<Maff>no better way to waste a month
21:07<Maff>if only that worked :'c
21:08<nb>less bash? i want more bash!
21:08<nb>less zsh
21:08<Maff>that works too
21:08<nb>i know what you mean :)
21:09<Quicksilver> if you have an excuse to be reading javadocs
21:09<Maff>java :(
21:09<Quicksilver><3 java
21:10<Maff>C# > java
21:10<Quicksilver>lol robinet: Do you know where I can get audio remastering done legally? I want someone to make a parody of Metallica's "King Nothing" to be "Queen Nothing".
21:12<robinetd>Quicksilver: Hoohaw, where did you find this?
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21:14<robinetd>Quicksilver: gimme link son
21:14<Quicksilver>"robinetd moose"
21:15<Maff>that javadocs FML thinger
21:15<Maff>"Today, I was eating Campbell's vegetable soup. Halfway through, I started to read the ingredients and found beef broth. I have been a vegetarian for seven years. FML"
21:15<Maff>how's that an FML
21:15<Maff>more like "fuck yeah meat"
21:15<robinetd>Quicksilver: I don't see it.
21:15<Quicksilver>Try that link
21:16<robinetd>Quicksilver: So what do you think of ikonia? :>
21:17<Quicksilver>I mostly skimmed it. Wat did you say to get you banned?
21:17<robinetd>Quicksilver: An op ran to ikonia and told him I was baiting her.
21:18<robinetd>I don't remember what exactly. I don't feel like checking my logs either ;o
21:18-!-Detritus [] has joined #linode
21:19<Captain_Intern>robinetd is one of thsoe guys who hides in your DNS servers and pops up sending a DDOS flood of sYN packets entited "SURPRISE!"
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21:19<Quicksilver>Well, I'll tell you this: Being a smartass doesn't help keep you from being banned whether you were right or not.
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21:19<robinetd>Quicksilver: Wasn't trying to get unbanned.
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21:20<robinetd>Quicksilver: <- enjoy
21:20<robinetd>Captain_Intern: I'm in ur DNS server surprising the hell out of you.
21:20<robinetd>So you can go slow while you go slow.
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21:22<Quicksilver>Yeah it seems a little ridiculous from that log, but also hard to say depending on how much trolling you got in before that ;)
21:22<robinetd>Quicksilver: Doesn't really matter. Bunch o' tards :D
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21:23<DephNet[Paul]>robinetd, that is Freenode for you ;)
21:23<Quicksilver>For mysql if i want to allow external access to it. Do I just do username@ipaddress?
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21:24<DephNet[Paul]>Quicksilver, yes
21:24<Quicksilver>Do I have to somehow set mysql to listen on an appropriate port or does it do that from the get-go?
21:24<DephNet[Paul]>you need to allow the user to connect from the external IP
21:25<DephNet[Paul]>but, other than that it is all set up from the get go
21:25<Quicksilver>kk great. Thanks Paul
21:25<DephNet[Paul]>no probs
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21:27<cdzz>I'm setting up Apache on my Linode, with sites under /srv/www. One point not covered in the Apache guide: how do I set up owners/groups so that each user can change his own site, and apache has proper access to everything?
21:29<jpark31>hello, we have a rails app that uses memcached...since we moved the mysql to another linode, we have quite a bit of memory left on our 2048 do I determine the amount of memory I should allocate to it?
21:30<Praefectus>cdzz: might wanna check out the sftp tutorial
21:30<jpark31>cdzz: what are you doing? shared hosting?
21:31<Praefectus>jpark31: during peak hours run free -m
21:31<Praefectus>see how much memory your using when yer gettin slammed
21:31<cdzz>Praefectus: I saw that, but I don't necessarily want jails; I just want my usual login users to be able to modify certain sites.
21:32<jpark31>Praefectus: We get pretty slammed on Sun right now is kinda peak...
21:32<Praefectus>cdzz: that will let them log in to manipulate files using sftp, alternatively (though i wouldnt recommend it) you can set up a ftp server
21:32<Praefectus>jpark31: hit off a free -m
21:32<cdzz>jpark31: not really shared hosting..most of the sites I host are mine; I have one or two friends who I host static sites for
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21:33<cdzz>Praefectus: I'll take a second look; thanks.
21:33<jpark31>Praefectus: I just did one...
21:33<Praefectus>cdzz: just make sure you change the /home/user to wherever their sites are
21:33<rlankfo>cdzz: just make a script to set everything 775/664 owned by www-data:www-data and add them to the www-data group
21:33<Praefectus>jpark31: whatcha get back?
21:33<jpark31>Praefectus: what numbers should I be interested in...
21:33<jpark31>Mem: 2020 859 1161 0 64 205
21:34<jpark31>-/+ buffers/cache: 590 1430
21:34<rlankfo>jpark31: 2020 total, 859 in use and 1161 available
21:34<jpark31> total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2020 859 1161 0 64 205 -/+ buffers/cache: 590 1430 Swap: 1023 0 1023
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21:34<Praefectus>jpark31: if yer at peak usage right now a linode1024 should be fine with a little overhead, but if i was you id just keep the 2048 for that "just in case.." situation
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21:35<jpark31>Praefectus: We are still running 250% cpu all the time now...
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21:36<rlankfo>jpark31: and all you're hosting is a rails app?
21:36<jpark31>Praefectus: which is a lot better than the 390% we were getting with the mysql on the server...
21:36<Praefectus>heh, ya
21:36<jpark31>ummm...its a FB game...
21:36<rlankfo>oh makes sense heh
21:36<Praefectus>what game?
21:37-!-MJCS [] has joined #linode
21:37<jpark31>nothing big...just 15k users...
21:37<rlankfo>thats decent
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21:37<jpark31>hade to get HoopyCat to help me move the mysql...
21:39<cdzz>Praefectus: Ideally, I'd like users to be able to login to a shell, and host their own sites that other users can't modify. sftp jails will prevent shell login, right?
21:39<Praefectus>cdzz: nope, sftp is definitely what you want
21:39<Praefectus>cdzz: you jail them like it says in that tut so they cant touch anyone elses files or root files
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21:41<cdzz>Praefectus: in that tutorial, it says "Please note that these instructions are not intended to support shell logins; any user accounts modified in accordance with this guide will have the ability to transfer files, but not the ability to log into a remote shell session"
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21:41<cdzz>Praefectus: so I can configure it to allow shell login, too?
21:41<Praefectus>cdzz: ya, you can allow ssh logins as well
21:42<cdzz>Praefectus: okay, I'll read more into this..thanks for the help.
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21:48<Quicksilver>editing my mysql .cnf file. for the bind address if i want it to listen to localhost AND an external IP how do I accomplish that? Can I have 2 bind address lines?
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21:52<jpark31>quicksilver: is it another linode that you want to bind to?
21:52<Quicksilver>no, my home computer to make testing easier
21:53<bob2>don't do that
21:53<Quicksilver>i want to have my ip and the local host in there so i can test at home, then upload and it will work fine
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21:53<bob2>'ssh -L3306:localhost:3306 yourlinode'
21:53<Quicksilver>How come?
21:54<jpark31>is this what you are thinking of?
21:54<HarryD>i think i need a new hard drive here
21:54<Quicksilver>bob: I don't really know what that means, sorry :/
21:55<jpark31>quicksilver: I think he wants you to type that into your terminal on your home computer...
21:55<Quicksilver>on a windows box
21:55<bob2>unclear what you want
21:55<bob2>if you're trying to make mysql listen on your linode's public ip so you can access it from home, don't
21:55<Quicksilver>i want to be able to connect to my linode mysql server from my home box
21:55<bob2>since I bet oyu have crappy passwords
21:55<jpark31>Quicksilver: if you are on a windows box then download Putty...
21:56<Maff>Putty is awesome
21:56<Quicksilver>kk i will read into that
21:57<Quicksilver>thanks guys
21:57<jpark31>ive used it before...everything I have here is linux though...
21:57<LadyNikon>screen + putty = \o/
21:57<daemonic>you can also use iptables
21:57<Deezire>ssh(1) is even more awesome
21:57<Deezire>ssh user@host -L 3306:localhost:3306
22:00<nDuff>(also, tmux > screen)
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22:01<Nivex>i've played with tmux a little bit. looks pretty neat, but I've gotten pretty set in my workflow with screen.
22:02<daemonic>same, no compelling reason to switch
22:02<nb>i'v thought about using screen irssi
22:02<nb>but for now i use znc and xchat
22:02<Nivex>especially when I just found out about the vertical split patch for screen
22:02<Nivex>which is stock in Debuntu
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22:10<mwalling>nb: jfg "f0rked screen irssi"
22:10<mwalling>nb: da bom
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22:12<BarkerJr>why is net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range not set to everythong over 1024?
22:13<Deezire>Because 1-1024 is reserved for superusers only, rest is first come, first served?
22:15<Peng>!dns6 cname
22:15<Peng>Who *doesn't* CNAME these days?
22:16<BarkerJr>Deezire: right, so why doesnt' linus use the rest first come, first served?
22:16<Deezire>BarkerJr: hm?
22:16<BarkerJr>that's my question
22:16<BarkerJr># sysctl net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range
22:16<BarkerJr>net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range = 32768 61000
22:16<Matheus28>Because you are supposed to use a unique port for each app
22:17<BarkerJr>why is it not 1024 65535
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22:17<@caker>because they figure non-root services will bind to the lower ports ?
22:17<Deezire>i have no idea, to be honest. I'm still trying to figure out what the problem /is/ ;)
22:17<Matheus28>I think the limit is 2^16-1, I don't remember
22:18<Deezire>Matheus28: sure is
22:18<BarkerJr>I'm just wondering if setting it to "1024 65535" will break anything
22:18<nDuff>BarkerJr, so you don't have ports between 1024 and 32768 being used for local sides of outbound connections?
22:18<bob2>it'd be silly
22:18<bob2>since you don't have any need to do so
22:18<BarkerJr>and no, I don't run any non-root services
22:18<nDuff>BarkerJr, why would you _want_ that behavior?
22:18<atourino>quick question... mbox format shouldn't be a problem to backup my almost 3GB gmail account, right?
22:18<Matheus28>You shouldn't change that value
22:18<Deezire>BarkerJr: usually you should not mess with that unless you actually know what you're doing
22:18<nDuff>atourino, maildir would probably be a better fit, yes.
22:19<Matheus28>@Deezire agreed
22:19<bob2>atourino: it would be pretty insane
22:19<daemonic>it's okay to change that
22:19<BarkerJr>increasing the ports should decrease dns poisoning
22:19<daemonic>but yes, there's no reason unless you need to
22:19<bob2>BarkerJr: lol
22:19<nDuff>BarkerJr, ...
22:19<atourino>inodes shouldnt be a problem?
22:19<Deezire>when did dns have something to do with ports?
22:20<bob2>'df -i' shows you how many inodes you have
22:20<BarkerJr>dns servers do lookups on random ports so that people can't guess where they'll come from
22:20<Deezire>Please elaborate
22:20<atourino>bob2: thanks!
22:20<bob2>the above doesn't even double the number of ports available
22:20<bob2>ie not very helpful even if it mattered
22:20<bob2>atourino: maildir is ~1 file per message
22:20<BarkerJr>if you can guess what port the dns server requests data on, you can send a spoofed reply and poison the cache
22:21<Peng>Well, you also have to spoof the query ID.
22:21<Matheus28>Changing that value won't change anything
22:21<atourino>bob2: yeah... that's why I was wondering about inode... but I should be fine
22:21<Matheus28>It has nothing to do with it
22:21<bob2>atourino: welcome
22:21<bob2>atourino: ps check out offlineimap (though it'll dupe all emails that have more than one label)
22:22<atourino>I was using getmail
22:24<BarkerJr>ok well, thanks caker and all
22:25<BarkerJr>that was exactly what I needed to know
22:25<BarkerJr>I'll put some effort to move and services running above 1024 to below it
22:26<Peng>BarkerJr: You shouldn't trample registered ports.
22:26<bob2>that it is pointless?
22:26<BarkerJr>right, so I have to be careful
22:27<bob2>or not do it
22:27<BarkerJr>the fact of the matter is that ports above 32768 are registered as well, so that number is arbitrary
22:27<Deezire>Two hours later you come back because you've secured yourself out of your own box? :)
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22:28<bob2>uh oh then
22:28<Peng>"The Dynamic and/or Private Ports are those from 49152 through 65535"? :D
22:28<BarkerJr>well, I'd have to have some outgoing application take the port during the 5 seconds I'm restarting the app
22:29<Deezire>are you going PCI Compliant?
22:30<BarkerJr>port 591 is registered as "http-alt", so that sounds like a good place for an alternate web server
22:31<amitz>try it, who knows if modern web browser can recognize it when port 80 fails?
22:33<amitz>.o(this is even better than googling for the answer, a live guinea pig) ;-)
22:34<Deezire>That's it, I'm moving all my http servers over to port 591. So long suckers!
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22:39<atourino>bob2: Thanks for the info. backup running right now. Hopefully it will complete without issues.
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22:40<bob2>atourino: hot
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22:50*InitHello considers registering another domain, and setting up the vhost
22:50<Deezire>a friend of mine has
22:50<Deezire>i still laugh when i see it
22:51<InitHello>and props to the genius who registered
22:51<Deezire>too bad he cannot actually host porn on it, or he'll get his domain removed.
22:52<BarkerJr>I registered in opennic :)
22:53<Deezire>opennic seems like such a stupid idea
22:53<Deezire>(i think i've said that before..)
22:53<InitHello>hah, I could do
22:53*amitz stares sadly at his domain name...
22:53<InitHello>but I don't have 140 NOK on me
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22:54<InitHello>and I like my vhost
22:54<Deezire>InitHello: the worst part is faxing in all the signed documents
22:54<InitHello>I'd probably get my friend in trondheim to do it, if I really wanted a .no
22:55<Deezire>i personally couldnt care less about my vhost :p
22:55<Deezire>you also need to have a company to register .no
22:55<Deezire>that is registered in brønnøysundregisteret
22:55<InitHello>helvetes steinalder-lovgivning
22:55<InitHello>I hate that
22:55<InitHello>my friend and I do, actually. ANS
22:56<Deezire>I prefer DA over ANS, but :)
22:56<InitHello>I think ANS was easier to register
22:56<Deezire>then i'm only obligated to pay 50% of te fuckup
22:56<Deezire>Same shit, more or less.
22:57<InitHello>they can't get me anyway, if he fucks up
22:57<Deezire>ANS they just come and collect all your credit from one person, if that is possible, and then you have to sort things outs
22:57<InitHello>they don't know where I am
22:57<Deezire>smart move
22:57<InitHello>I disappeared off the face of the norwegian earth a little over 4 years ago
22:57<Deezire>It's tempting in this snowy hell.
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22:58<InitHello>that was part of why I left, but only part
22:58<BarkerJr>on peng's advice, I set it to 9000 65535
22:58<InitHello>another reason was that after my ex-wife and I split up, I really didn't see any reason to stay in norway when I didn't want to
22:58<BarkerJr>that should keep them out of the way of mysql and tomcat
22:59<bob2>I don't think that was Peng's advice
22:59<BarkerJr>I guess the scarier thing is that some unprivileged user could screw up mysqld by binding to its port
22:59<Deezire>Ping would disagree.
22:59<Deezire>are you afraid of local users? Don't have locla users.
23:00<megatron27>guys someone mentioned to me that SSL requires separate IPs?
23:00<Deezire>As it's a magnitued more stuff they can do than bind mysql port the few seconds your mysqld is down
23:00<Deezire>megatron27: that is partially correct.
23:00<Deezire>you need one ip /per/ SSL certificate
23:01<Deezire>But you can, however, run both SSL and non-SSL on the same IP.
23:01<tjfontaine>well you don't, but that's just the common browser verification mechanism
23:01<Deezire>tjfontaine: not all browser support those new features, yet
23:01<BarkerJr>only for old browsers
23:01<megatron27>so that's why shared hosting providers charge so much for SSL right
23:01<megatron27>it's not just the expensive certificate
23:01<tjfontaine>Deezire: thanks for failing to read my whole statement.
23:01<Deezire>megatron27: nah, they generally cost some $$$
23:01<bob2>certs aren't expensive
23:01<Deezire>tjfontaine: You're welcome :-)
23:01<megatron27>Versign certificates are expensive
23:01<bob2>shared providers charge a lot because they can
23:02<bob2>hardly anyone needs/wants verisign certificates
23:02<megatron27>we have a monopoly here :-)
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23:02<Deezire>Also, SSL would not be the first thing to come in to mind when talking about security on a shared host.
23:02<BarkerJr>mysql is a fun topic
23:02<megatron27>well, it's not really the server security that they're concerned about, it's customer confidence
23:03<megatron27>but point taken....
23:04<megatron27>thanks guy
23:04<megatron27>as usual you guys rock
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23:04<SleePy>Some do offer ssl certs, but you have to use their domain
23:04<megatron27>SleePy, great nick
23:05*Deezire &
23:05<SleePy>Its my handle ;) Short story behind how I got it
23:05<Deezire>And don't any of you fuckers dare fg me!
23:06<BarkerJr>megatron27: customers really can't tell who signed your ssl unless you display their logo :)
23:07<megatron27>Py == Python right?
23:09<SleePy>In my name? No
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23:11<LadyNikon>this is where he takes back the "great nick"
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23:15<amitz>are fbi agents well paid? in the movies they use expensive cars?
23:16<BarkerJr>those are cars that they took from criminals
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23:17<amitz>BarkerJr: a possible turth...
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23:19<robinetd>amitz: 'well paid' is relative.
23:19<giminy>amitz: I once talked to an fbi recruiter. It sounds sketchball to work for them, and the pay isn't terribly great.
23:20<giminy>amitz: sounds like their primary use of computer wizards is for forensics, and a large part of that is dealing with kiddie porn.
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23:21<amitz>giminy: so those fbi films are basically glorofications of fbi works, i guess...
23:22<giminy>amitz: any of them that deal with the fbi solving actually complex computer crime, yes :)
23:22<amitz>robinetd: enough to buy expensive car, or eligible to use expensive fbi car?
23:25<amitz>giminy: but working for fbi has higher "status" than working for local law enforcement in average i guess? how about compared to working for ...DA? local police detective?
23:27<giminy>amitz: seems that way. I think that the "local police/fbi" contention issues are entirely a hollywood invention
23:28<giminy>local police gave a presentation at our local ISSA meeting concerning detective/forensics/computer crime work and they quite positive about working with the federales
23:29<mwalling>i'd say, pulling numbers out of my ass, that a senior agent probably makes 15-20k more then a senior detective in your average PD
23:29<bob2>how much does a senior detective make?
23:29<mwalling>i'd guess, base, 45-50?
23:30<amitz>plenty of benefit?
23:30<auraka>depends on where you are
23:30<auraka>a lot of times detectices can make 60-80k a yr
23:30<giminy>federal government has all kinds of nice benefits to be certain
23:31<mwalling>auraka: can make != base
23:31<mwalling>auraka: i know patrollman who make over 100
23:31<giminy>the current federal retirement plan is pretty darned nice
23:31<auraka>base is what rookie patrolman make....not what detectives make
23:32<mwalling>no, base is what your hourly rate would be on ST only
23:32<mwalling>i'm ignoring OT, because thats all favortisim anyway
23:33<auraka>anyway...amitz, go to and click on salaries, put in detective and your area
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23:40<amitz>loss prevention detective? heh
23:40<amitz>auraka: interesting site
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23:43<lulzbot>mikegrb has said "lulz" 44 times.
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23:44<SirSquidness>A wild bot appears.
23:44<HarryD>removed conflict with linbot
23:44<lulzbot>mikegrb has said "lulz" 44 times.
23:44<Peng>HarryD: Or you could make it a web service and set up a linbot trigger for it.
23:44<HarryD>Peng: can i now?
23:45<HarryD>well im not a linode member
23:45<HarryD>i just came here to see what you guys are like
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23:46<Peng>HarryD: What, you think adding an alias to linbot is worse than running your own bot? :P
23:46<HarryD>Peng: no, i think it would be better
23:46-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*] by ChanServ
23:46<HarryD>but idk if i can
23:46<Peng>Well...I suppose you'd still need some sort of #linode logs.
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23:46*Peng looks at ChanServ
23:46<HarryD>well i have thems
23:47<HarryD>oh well
23:47<Peng>HarryD: Sure you can. Although you haveto register with linbot, but that's not liked with anything else.
23:47<HarryD>ill just go do something else now
23:48<HarryD>minecraft bug
23:49<HarryD>i wonder if an op put +q on my bot
23:49<HarryD>or if any nick with bot in it gets a +q
23:49<HarryD>i doubt that
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23:52<auraka>well i have a tornado siren in my back yard
23:52<SleePy>Its not a bug, its a feature!
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23:53<Captain_Intern>auraka, guess you'll know if theres a tornado
23:54<Captain_Intern>Or if the siren test was successful
23:54<auraka>no...we have a tornado warning going on
23:54<Captain_Intern>Yeah that would get old
23:54<giminy>wow. where?
23:55<Captain_Intern>We had a tornado here about 15 years ago, 5 years ago they put the siren in. The next tornado that came during a hurricane took the siren out before it got started.
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23:59<SelfishMan> !spam
23:59<linbot>Point (0.71397010, 0.35743170) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17667 of 22461 (π ≈ 3.146253506077200 - 0.004660852487407)
23:59<amitz>what's the need to siren the existence of an already there tornado?
23:59<Peng>Wait what. Spam is pi now?
23:59<Captain_Intern>People sleeping don't know?
23:59<giminy>it does remind me of that old SNL sketch involving the airplane collision alarm
23:59<linbot>Peng: Beautiful Russian women.
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