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---Logopened Wed Mar 16 00:00:32 2011
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00:06<techhelper1>superdug: Do you actually believe you can get anything now for $1?
00:08<tjfontaine>an ip
00:10<BarkerJr>I'd be willing to sell shared hosting for $1/day
00:10<encode>on a linode 512?
00:10<encode>not a bad profit margin
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00:11<BarkerJr>yeah, with 10MB disk space
00:11<encode>except you have time overhead, payment overhead, etc
00:11<BarkerJr>well, the most annoying thing with hosting is dealing with spam
00:12<BarkerJr>both directions
00:13<encode>surely finding customers willing to pay $365/yr for hosting they can get for much cheaper elsewhere would be the hard part
00:13<encode>it doesn't matter to that class of user that they get what they pay for; it's all about perceived value
00:14<BarkerJr>I tried to run a game server hosting on VPSes, one server per VPS
00:14<jamiedol>I'm going to be aiming my hosting at higher end clients -- $20+/mo
00:15<BarkerJr>but everyone buys game servers from the cheapest host, whines about the quality, but doesn't switch
00:15<BarkerJr>half-life game servers running on VPSes are so much smoother than shared servers
00:16<tjfontaine>urmoms not worth $1
00:20<zivester>anyone ever randomly named uploaded files on a filesystem to say, an md5sum so that script kiddies can't scrape them?
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00:20<pharaun>often the md5sum/etc is just for ease of identification cos you don't have to deal with same filename/etc
00:21<pharaun>4chan i think use timestamp + something
00:21<pharaun>and i've seen md5sum filenames, etc..
00:22<SleePy>It uses just time stamps
00:22<Peng>Using non-sequential IDs at URL shorteners and pastebins and such is popular, but I don't know anything about how they do it.
00:22<SleePy>I think..
00:22<zivester>for security wise... i dont want the filesnames to be things that can be easily scraped... but my probably may lie with more then just storage, but rather, authentication
00:23<zivester>hypothetical.. 100 files uploaded to ur site, u store watever data you want in the database.. what does the file system look like for these files
00:24<pharaun>SleePy: yeah timestamps, but i forgot how they deal if a image is posted at the same time, cos its such a large volume imageboard tho if its like msec/whatever lulz not going to have a problem
00:25<pharaun>zivester: personally i would just take the file, md5sum or some other schema then store the resulting path into the db and be done with it, tho if it gets large enough would probably need to start subdividing it into multiple sub-directories
00:27<zivester>ya i think thats what im leading towards /ab/cd/abcdsadg12345235151.gif... something like that
00:27<zivester>seems to be the most secure way to store
00:27<pharaun>that's what i did with a couple of my "dumb" filesystem cache system a few time,
00:27<Peng>What about collissions?
00:27<pharaun>tho i forgot if its a issue with md5sum (don't think so) but other scheme you need to make sure to balance your directory tree
00:27<zivester>got any "smart" systems?
00:28<pharaun>Peng: if it collide, odds is its the same file
00:28<SleePy>pharaun, Its the full unix time stamp :)
00:28<pharaun>SleePy: that's in seconds only tho ?
00:28<SleePy>I think the system locks up and waits for a free slot to insert another image to prevent duplicates
00:29<pharaun>zivester: smart system? i dunno, tho if you use some CMS/whatever webframework there might already be some stuff that does this for you
00:29<zivester>my system will reject uploads for same md5's
00:29<SleePy>Timestamps also apply only to a single board. So you can have multiple timestamps for the entire site
00:29<SleePy>Posts are not timestamp based though :P
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00:29<pharaun>zivester: you can have a hash collision for different file but meh for most stuff yeah
00:29<pharaun>SleePy: yeah that's what i figured, thanks :)
00:29<encode>check file size and md5
00:29<encode>they're quite unlikely to both be the same
00:29<encode>and it not to be the same file
00:30<pharaun>^^^ should be good enough if you don't need absolute 100% promise of no collision no matter what
00:30<encode>if you need 100% certainty, then hashing is not for you
00:30<zivester>same size, same md5... basically means the files are the same
00:30<pharaun>not always
00:30<pharaun>but the odds is.... so remote
00:31<zivester>nah 100% uncertainty... 99 is good enough.. I'll program a case to BLOW UP when it finds some that are <.1%
00:31<pharaun>zivester: oh oh another consideration.... HOW BIG are these files ?
00:31<zivester>couple megs
00:32<pharaun>zivester: haha you can't unless you do bitwise compare on each hash collision
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00:32<pharaun>and if you are already doing that then hash is kind of pointless :p
00:32<encode>pharaun: you could do bitwise compare iff there is a hash collision
00:32<pharaun>and its more like 99.9999(insert stupid number of 9's)
00:32<pharaun>encode: yeah i do that on a couple projects but for those i needed 100%
00:32<zivester>huh? mg5sum(1) =! md5sum(2) == not the same
00:32<encode>the odds of that happening are so low it wouldn't be a performance hit of any significance
00:33<pharaun>indeed, but if its for like a image/filez/whatever hosting
00:33<pharaun>its not really something to worry about imho
00:33<SleePy>If hash collision is a problem, prefix it with a unique attachment id
00:33<encode>zivester: we're saying if md5sum(1) == md5sum(2) then compare all bytes of files
00:33<encode>hash collision solved
00:34<zivester>oh ya, do a diff on them or whatever
00:35<zivester>so back to my initial question... people have done things like /data/ab/cd/abcdfghi12345167a.pdf ?
00:35<zivester>as a storage mechanism
00:36<pharaun>um look at squid'
00:36<zivester>only my sysadmin looks at squid
00:36<pharaun>its a proxy cache, one of their filesystem storage way for their caching directory is in some sort of schema like that above
00:37<encode>mail spool does that too
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00:38<zivester>scours internet to be re-affirmed
00:39<awesome>so what is the swap disk by the way
00:39<pharaun>place to store stuff out of memory if there's pressure to free up some space for other stuff
00:39<pharaun>awesome: you generally want to *avoid* swapping on a vps
00:41<awesome>isn't that a good thing
00:41<awesome>if it runs out of memory
00:42<pharaun>er... yes... but you *don't* want to run out of memory on a vps it will basically murder your performance
00:43<zivester>331/493 31/511
00:43<zivester>stupid swap
00:44<awesome>so i do understand that swapping willl have more I/O but what i don't get it why is it vps related? isn't that true for any server or system
00:44<pharaun>if you got *small* amount in swap and its not trashing you're usually ok, its just something to be aware of and keep a eye on that's all
00:44<Peng>awesome: You're right. Running out of memory and swapping is always bad.
00:44<Peng>awesome: But it's worse on a VPS, because it hurts your neighbors disk I/O too.
00:44<pharaun>awesome: VPS has more limited disk IOPS cos of fact that disk is a shared resource, so its more... severe on a vps
00:45<zivester>ya dont be swapping my disks
00:45<pharaun>for a while i actually had a desktop with 6gb of ram + 12gb of swap....
00:45<pharaun>needless to say unholy racket when it hit swap
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00:45<Defenestrator>You really want to avoid swapping period. The performance gap between RAM and HDDs has increased over the years..
00:46<awesome>ok but looks like the min i can go is 128 with the options available for
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00:46<jamiedol>I'm trying to upload photos to mysite via the web photo gallery. I've getting 502 bad gateway and 504 time out errors from Nginx (I'm using it as a front end proxy) Any ideas?
00:46<niftylettuce>any advice on screencasting for debian?
00:46<pharaun>some of the stuff i did would take 12+ hours to finish on that system, got a 24gb system this fall and its able to do it in a few minute, so yeah :)
00:46<niftylettuce>mencoder? ffmpeg?
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00:46<pharaun>awesome: that's fine you want *some* just don't want to trash the system :) just use 128 it should do
00:46<awesome>can i some odd number like 100mb
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00:46<pharaun>or leave it at the default, i do
00:47<awesome>so the reason I ask as
00:47<awesome>i have rmagic running on mylinode
00:47<pharaun>awesome: i recommend looking at
00:47<awesome>so there definitely will be full use of memory
00:47<pharaun>will explain the ram stuff better
00:47<pharaun>and if you really do need more ram, please upgrade to a larger vps
00:48<HoopyCat>not too much, though! i'm telling you, fellas -- you're gonna want that iowait on the track!
00:48<niftylettuce>HoopyCat, preeeeze advice?
00:49<Defenestrator>As a good example: I'm using 14MB of swap on a 512MB linode. Just enough that the unused stuff has been evicted, but it's not actually swapping in and out
00:52<Defenestrator>The old rule of thumb was 2.5*RAM, but these days it's more like .25*RAM or less.
00:52<pharaun>i have 12gb of swap on my system w/ 24gb of ram but my workload is ram heavy :\
00:53<Defenestrator>eh.... if you're 12GB into swap, you need more RAM.
00:53<pharaun>but yeah for like 99.9(silly amount of 9) a small amount of swap is fine
00:53<pharaun>Defenestrator: that was from my old desktop it had 6gb of ram, couldn't get more, so yeah, finally got a new mobo :p
00:53<pharaun>don't really hit the swap much anymore :) thank god
00:54<pharaun>Defenestrator: i had huge swap just so i could actually finish my panoramas and other projects :p
00:54<pharaun>ofc those took 12+ hours sometime so yeah -_- rather funny to watch the disk lights :)
00:54<Defenestrator>In most cases even if you need more RAM you'd be better off making the app use less
00:55<pharaun>not always possible :)
00:55<pharaun>sometime yer just going to have to sit there and chew at it
00:56<Defenestrator>just.. if it's that far into swap, it's probably wasting tons of time thrashing compared to deliberately leaving less of it in RAM
00:57<pharaun>oh it *WAS* trashing :) on this puter i can do it in 3 minute or less on what took the old one 12 hours
00:57<pharaun>the only alternative was to just OOM :p
00:58<Defenestrator>apps meant to deal with datasets that big really should be designed to deal with the fact that it won't all fit in RAM
00:58<pharaun>haha i know
00:59<Defenestrator>I mean, there's only so much you can do, but it probably could have finished in 4-8 hours intead of 12+
00:59<pharaun>i was probably abusing it a tad :)
00:59<pharaun>but yeah the app was made to do it all in ram, it uses SIFT algo, dunno if it would've been possible to offload that to disk for un-used stuff, but its a project of mine to check that out
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01:01<Defenestrator>Yeah. That looks like it could have left what it was reading on disk except an index and small working set. Instead, it probably ran out of RAM, wrote it out to swap, then read it back in again.
01:01<pharaun>yeah but that depends on the algo, at the time i just didn't give a damn and just wanted it to finish :)
01:01<pharaun>so i gave it the swap to just sit there and chew
01:02<Defenestrator>fair enough
01:02<Defenestrator>Not always feasible/possible to fix it the right way
01:02<pharaun>eventually hopes i can :)
01:02<pharaun>beside the 24gb of ram puter helped that shit a ton anyway so i'm good at this point in time \o/
01:03<Defenestrator>funny how 24GB of RAM helps like that
01:03<pharaun>well hey it keeps that shit in ram where it belongs
01:05<Defenestrator>I don't remember nearly enough math to be able to tell whether that algorithm would be easy to distribute
01:05<pharaun>that's what i'm playing with
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01:05<pharaun>even if not, i can probably still speed some stuff up and hopefully do a better job
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01:55<andreamarie>hello, how do i know if my pop3 are working and how can identify the prot use.. because currently it is not working on 110. but it is installed. im using ubuntu 10.04
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01:57<zibri>andreamarie: try netstat -lt. if it shows up there, check to see if you have a firewall blocking it.
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02:19<andreamarie>zibri: where can i see my firewall
02:20<zibri>iptables -L
02:21<andreamarie>zibri: what do this mean ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:pop3
02:21<zibri>that it should not block traffic to the pop3 port
02:22<zibri>unless theres another rule blocking that traffic already :)
02:23<andreamarie>zibri: what i do is.. i am connecting to my mail using windows 2003, any idea what solution?
02:23<zibri>andreamarie: try telnet <hostname> 110
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02:27<andreamarie>zibri: it says welcome to mailenable pop3 server.. does it mean i can connect?
02:27<zibri>yes. and then any problem you're having is your application.
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02:28<andreamarie>oh, so it is the application am i using is the problem
02:29<andreamarie>thanks for that
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02:58<linbot>dcraig: Point (0.09065601, 0.32458155) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17691 of 22491 (π ≈ 3.146325196745365 - 0.004732543155572)
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03:08<Captain_Intern>What's everyones favorite editor?
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03:16<chesty>oh dear Mar 16 17:49:57 chesterton kernel: [9732077.439658] nginx: page allocation failure. order:5, mode:0x4020
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03:16<chesty>i have plenty of memory free
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03:18<Peng>I get that with htop occasionally.
03:19<Peng>(not necessarily the same order and mode, though. I don't remember)
03:19<chesty>here's the full trace
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03:20<Peng>@_@ long
03:21<chesty>lots of info there
03:22<chesty>it didn't OOM, so I guess I don't need to reboot or anything. I wonder if someone is exploiting an nginx bug?
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03:33<Captain_Intern>whats a good IRC client for ubuntu (desktop)
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03:38<Captain_Intern>peng, thanks
03:38<chesty>irssi doesn't integrate into the desktop, but it's what i currently use. the other popular client is xchat, but I don't like it
03:39<Peng>"Being open in a terminal window" isn't integration?
03:39<chesty>not really, like you can't hover over a username and get details
03:40<chesty>you have to right click urls
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03:43<Captain_Intern>chesty, I use xchat on windows and I'm using it right now
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03:53<MTecknology>any opinions of this?
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04:00<dcraig>MTecknology, doesn't look like much of an irc client
04:00<MTecknology>dcraig: I need a new car; mine is going poopy
04:01<MTecknology>70k miles seems like a lot for an '08; but not too bad
04:01<dcraig>that one pic almost makes it look like it's got 7 gas pedals
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04:01<dcraig>it's been driven hard and put away wet
04:02<MTecknology>put away wet?
04:03<dcraig>I think it's an expression used with horses
04:03<dcraig>I wouldn't worry too much about it
04:03<chesty>and urmom
04:04<MTecknology>dcraig: you think it looks like a good price?
04:04<dcraig>I don't know anything about cars
04:05<MTecknology>not the greatest mileage..
04:05<MTecknology>18 city, 28 hwy
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04:05<dcraig>my civic is supposed to get like 31/38
04:06<MTecknology>i was looking at those too
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04:06<dcraig>oh, they have a new way to calculate now
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04:08<dcraig>now it only gets 26/35
04:08<dcraig>I'll have to tell my car to start using more gas
04:08<dcraig>so it's consistent with the new rating
04:11<MTecknology>i wish the civics were a little prettier
04:12<dcraig>you just have to find beauty in reliability
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04:12<dcraig>or something
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04:25<MTecknology>dcraig: what do you think a decent price is for that?
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04:26<MTecknology>say an '08 civic
04:26<dcraig>no idea!
04:27<dcraig>doesn't tell you?
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04:28<MTecknology>only if i have a clue about miles
04:29<MTecknology>dcraig: you think 70k miles is a lot?
04:30<dcraig>well, it's more than 50k...
04:30<dcraig>I'm so not a car expert
04:31<MTecknology>22 city 30 hwy seems pretty good
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04:47<MTecknology>time to go look at a car; see you guys in a few minutes..
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06:17<tombee>I'm considering getting a linode vps, but unsure what location to get at the moment. Can linode relocate my account in future? Of course I'd take care of backups/setup/data migration myself.
06:18<chesty>yes, it's a one click processes, the only thing you lose is your ip address
06:18<tombee>Awesome thanks! :)
06:22<praetorian>you get to keep tho
06:22*praetorian hugs chesty
06:23*chesty punches praetorian
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06:29<czr>rough lovin'
06:30<pero>why would i not have bash in debian after adding a user?
06:31<chesty>i give up, why?
06:31<czr>pero, your question can be interpreted in many ways, try to be more specific.
06:32<pero>i just did useradd
06:32<pero>i login and i'm greeted with some other kind of shell
06:32<pero>with just $ for a prompt
06:33<czr>how do you login with the other user?
06:33<chesty>echo $SHELL
06:33<czr>what does echo $SHELL say?
06:33<pero>nothing :(
06:34<pero>nvm; /bin/sh
06:34<pero>missed the caps
06:34<czr>what about: readlink /proc/$$/exe ?
06:36<czr>right. so, you might want to check that you created the homedirectory for the new user: (ls -lad /home/USERID) and also that directory contains the necessry .profile files and such which will setup the prompt for the user
06:36<czr>also, do this: echo $PS1
06:36<pero>definately doesn't contain bash_profile
06:36<pero>that gives me nothing
06:36<chesty>dpkg -l bash
06:37<czr>so, nothing sets your PS1, which is why you only see $
06:37<pero>root has bash
06:37<czr>did you verify with the readlink thingy above?
06:37<czr>(aka, how do you know it's bash?)
06:37<chesty>it isn't, it's dash
06:37<pero>it doesnt piss me off to no end when i hit backspace?
06:37<chesty>oh, you mean root?
06:37<czr>I'd think so too
06:38<pero>nope, root's got bash
06:38<czr>hmm. maybe there's something else broken in your system. what was the last major admin thing you did before adduser?
06:38<pero>installed debian?
06:39<czr>so this is an after fresh install of debian?
06:39<czr>how did you install it?
06:39<pero>on linode's web ui
06:39<czr>can someone verify this with an empty VM quickly?
06:39*czr doesn't run debian
06:41<pero>installed debian; apache; setup hosts and apache; setup vsftp; mounted a drive; made a few dirs and untared a few tars
06:41<pero>then i did useradd
06:41<czr>explain "mounted a drive"
06:41<czr>and also "untrated a few tars"
06:41<chesty>useradd and adduser are different in debian i think
06:42<czr>chesty is correct
06:42<czr>pero, you should use adduser instead.
06:43<pero>can i/we fix this without deleting my user?
06:43<pero>that would suck.
06:43<czr>that would be somewhat tricky
06:43<chesty>i think just shch and cp /etc/skel/.??* ~ would do it
06:45<pero>chsh did it
06:45<pero>awesome; thank you
06:45<chesty>you also need to copy the dot fies in skel
06:46<pero>what's /etc/skel?
06:46<chesty>yes, when you use adduser, everthing in /etc/skel gets copied to home
06:48<pero>great. thx
06:48<Teckie>in my spare time, i like to make pointless flowcharts
06:48<Teckie>detailing the highlights of my life
06:49<pero>setup dhcp reservation for your phone
06:49<pero>makes life easier
06:49<Teckie>its not my phone
06:49<Teckie>so i dont care :P
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06:49<Teckie>in fact i tried browsing on it with wifi
06:49<Teckie>and browsing is locked by the provider
06:49<Teckie>so lame
06:49<pero>what phone?
06:50<Teckie>not sure, some shit phone
06:50<Teckie>but it has android
06:50<Teckie>it's on rogers wireless
06:50<pero>im on rogers
06:50<Teckie>pretty sad that i can't browse on my own wifi on it
06:50<pero>i havent seen them lock anything than tethering
06:50<Teckie>maybe i didnt take a good enough tweak at it
06:50<pero>but you just rm -rf *Rogers*
06:50<pero>reboot and you're good
06:51<Teckie>i just connected to wifi and opened the browser
06:51<pero>and got their ugly splash screen?
06:51<Teckie>please purchase a data add-on
06:51<pero>yea it ends there
06:51<pero>oh really?
06:51<Teckie>says i can't browse without appropriate browser addon or something
06:51<pero>considering its android
06:52<pero>you know you can root it, mod it, and do whatever you want with it
06:52<Teckie>yeah i know
06:52<Teckie>i would if it were mine
06:52<Teckie>i don't even own a cell phone
06:53<pero>well, nice flowchart
06:53<Teckie>spent like 20 minutes on it
06:53<Teckie>its dhcp reservation btw, not static ip
06:53<Teckie>i find it easier to do it via mac reservation
06:53<Teckie>dont have to hop chairs every 30 seconds to change an ip address
06:53<pero>your chart says No dhcp reservation
06:54<Teckie>only for the devices without reservation
06:54<Teckie>everything else is reserved via mac address
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06:54<pero>isn't that how dhcp reservation works?
06:55<Teckie>woops i lied, my asus laptop is actually connected to the downstairs router
06:55<Teckie>via wifi-n
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06:57<Teckie>yay :)
07:00<ericoc>surfboard 5102? you need docsis 3!
07:00<ericoc>6120 <3
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09:07<pharaun>haha i'm still on surfboard 51* something i think then again i'm using their cheap plan.
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09:08<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 62% full (mere moments remaining). Last emptied Monday, February 14, last full recently after running for unknown.
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09:09<HoopyCat>woot, dry basement ftw
09:11<pharaun>HoopyCat: just how large is the water tank on your dehumidifier anyway ?
09:11<JshWright>more importantly... isn't there a floor drain you can drain it into?
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09:14<HoopyCat>pharaun: looks to be somewhere between one and two gallons
09:14<HoopyCat>JshWright: nope
09:15<pharaun>HoopyCat: alrighty size, larger than most i've seen but yeah a floor drain really would be better :\
09:16<HoopyCat>JshWright: there's a laundry sink; used to keep a dehumidifier atop the sink using a few planks, but dang if those things don't have wheels and a heck of a startup torque
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09:19<HoopyCat>pharaun: eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
09:19<pharaun>HoopyCat: remove the wheel/secure it to the plank/sink somehow? :) but heh hm i wonder if you couldn't just have the drain line run up to the sink or if it would give it issues, i seem to remember that some do have a small pump to push it out
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09:19<pharaun>HoopyCat: hah :p
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09:19<HoopyCat>pharaun: it opens a trouble ticket when the tank gets full, so i go downstairs, dump the water into plant-watering containers and/or the washing machine, and go about my life
09:20<pharaun>HoopyCat: heh and feb 14? that's still a decent amount of time :)
09:20<pharaun>so i suppose its not too bad
09:20<HoopyCat>pharaun: actually, just bought it sunday... the old one was pretty much dead after last summer, and completely dead when i fired it up
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09:21<Gika>mmhh, one of my linodes (which acts as mysql server and should only communicate with the other linode) shows (on iftop) some bytes sent to, which is not mine. any clue why?
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09:21<Gika>(sent or received, i don't know)
09:21<pharaun>HoopyCat: oh? you meanie, you work them to death! :|
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09:22<HoopyCat>pharaun: the "last emptied" is based on going backwards through the RRD file and finding the most recent time the graph dropped from at least 66% full to zero
09:23<HoopyCat>pharaun: it gives up after 30 days
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09:23<HoopyCat>Gika: is there any other information? ports, times, packet sizes, frequency, etc?
09:23<pharaun>HoopyCat: aha no wonder, cos i was thinking damn 30 day is nice for a dehumidifier :p
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09:23<HoopyCat>Gika: unless you're dropping all other traffic with iptables, you'll get random traffic from a whole buncha places
09:24<HoopyCat>pharaun: in a few days, it'll know what's going on a little better
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09:25<pharaun>HoopyCat: \o/
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09:25<Gika>HoopyCat: how do i check ports/packets/stuff? i'm currently using ufw to block all connections except to my other linode and the ssh port (which is nonstandard)
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09:26<@ericoc>Gika: you can capture traffic with "tcpdump"
09:26<HoopyCat>Gika: after the fact, it's tough, but if it's active now, tcpdump can be handy (if very very chatty). what do your ufw rules look like?
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09:27<pharaun>i like to use tcpdump and tell it to filter itself and have it forward it to my desktop, then i use wireshark to give it a nice UI for poking around :)
09:27<Gika>ok i'm trying tcpdump. my ufw rules are deny all (default), allow ssh from anywhere, allow any connection from my other linode's ip
09:27<czr>wireshark & tcpdump with pipe over ssh = win.
09:27<pharaun>*THIS* ^^
09:27<czr>realtime capture of filtered traffic securely
09:28<pharaun>used it a bunch when i was tweaking my firewall rules on the router
09:28<czr>also, if long term capture is more important, just tcpdump & -w, then transfer later and analyze.
09:28<HoopyCat>Gika: you're going over the private network for mysql stuff and not the public network, right? (doesn't make too much of a difference, but might as well ask :-)
09:28<Gika>HoopyCat: yes
09:28<czr>doesn't mysql by default use unix domain sockets anyway?
09:29<HoopyCat>czr: unix domain sockets don't work over IP, alas
09:29<HoopyCat>if they did, we'd be doomed
09:29<Gika>any option to filter tcpdump's output? i'm getting lots of packets from my other linode, unsurprisingly :D
09:29<pharaun>yes you can filter
09:29<czr>HoopyCat, hmm, I thought this was about localhost to localhost comms, my bad :-)
09:29<HoopyCat>Gika: append "host not" or whatnot
09:30<czr>HoopyCat, also, while somewhat OT, there's always mosix/whatnots :-)
09:30<HoopyCat>czr: we're architectin' solutions, bro... distributed single point of failure *weird hand gesture*
09:30<Gika>14:29:56.375972 IP > [my linode].35984: 22573 4/5/5 CNAME[|domain] < this
09:30<amitz>what kind of architecture?
09:31<HoopyCat>amitz: the sort one would use for a large corporation's scalable needs
09:31<czr>HoopyCat, cool. reminds me of something that I read when I started get into distributed stuff. "distributed systems make simple problems appear in random nodes at random times, which makes debugging fun"
09:31<Gika>about 1 every 10 seconds or so
09:31<amitz>HoopyCat: which is basically an....?
09:32<amitz>SAY IT!
09:32<czr>Gika, that's a dns request. you want to filter only those?
09:32<HoopyCat>Gika: hmmm... does that IP ( appear in your /etc/resolv.conf?
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09:32<HoopyCat>amitz: business-grade!
09:32<pharaun>czr: i thought those mosix systems were killed off a few years ago (open mosix)
09:33<czr>pharaun, more or less yes. but nothing stops you from using the codebase I guess
09:33<Gika>HoopyCat: nope.
09:33<pharaun>amitz: large business-grade! \o/
09:33<Gika>czr: they don't bother me, i just wanted to understand what was going on :)
09:33<czr>I know what amitz is after..
09:33<pharaun>czr: heh indeed if you don't mind the older kernel, i used to follow those projects :) was going to set up a system that used it
09:33<Gika>and why another linode's doing dns requests on mine
09:34<czr>Gika, maybe someone misconfigured their system?
09:35<Gika>i guess
09:35<czr>pharaun, yeah, I normally go for application/task level distribution nowadays. easier to understand and control.
09:35<czr>plus you can implement proper recovery procedures
09:35<HoopyCat>Gika: pastebin a minute or so of "tcpdump -n -s0 -A port 53" ? my brain needs some context :-)
09:35<Gika>yep, just a sec
09:36<HoopyCat>Gika: (that'll show all traffic involving port 53 (dns), with an ASCII dump if possible, and the -n will make it skip DNS lookups)
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09:37<pharaun>czr: indeed, it just looked like a neat project back then :)
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09:37<amitz>everybody knows but they won't say it, huhuhuhu :'(
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09:37<czr>pharaun, lucky for us, the world is filled with abandoned but semi-interesting open source projects :-)
09:38<czr>amitz, it's like beetlejuice.
09:38<amitz>czr: col
09:39<HoopyCat>Gika: well damn, that's weird.
09:39<amitz>good old chesty!
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09:39<Gika>HoopyCat: what's going on?
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09:40<czr> is chinese at least
09:40<HoopyCat>Gika: those look like "legitimate" responses to DNS queries, which the other machine thinks are coming from your IP address. this raises two questions: why is it thinking that, and why isn't it getting dropped by your firewall config?
09:40<czr>which would suggest something very fishy things going on
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09:41<czr>HoopyCat, IP spoofing?
09:41<czr>it's in the same network. ask tcpdump to print MAC addresses, and report to abuse
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09:41<pharaun>HoopyCat: what kind of fish, this is important ;)
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09:42<pharaun>if same network, some other machine might have been compromised or something else, linode is going to want to know
09:42<Gika>HoopyCat: want me to paste my ufw status?
09:42*czr nodes
09:42<czr>nods even
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09:43<HoopyCat>probably not IP spoofing; my first guess is misconfigured NAT of some sort. i note that the queries are all, which suggests that the source of the queries (not the response) is appending its own domain when it can't do a lookup
09:44<HoopyCat>if we assume "cdn" == "content delivery network", there's probably plenty of room for whacked-out iptables config
09:44<czr>hmm. could be a misconfigured vpn setup of somesorts.
09:44<HoopyCat>Gika: sure
09:45<Gika>HoopyCat: < 21730 is the ssh port, the other rules are for my other linode's public and private ip
09:45<HoopyCat>i think it's worth an e-mail to abuse@... i don't necessarily think it is hostile or an overt security incident, but who knows? :-)
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09:46<HoopyCat>Gika: hmm, i don't know.
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09:47<Gika>i can send an email to abuse@, if you tell me what i have to say in it :D
09:48<HoopyCat>Gika: "I'm seeing weird traffic from this neighboring IP address; it looks like responses to DNS queries, but as far as I know, I'm not sending those queries, and they look like queries for the sorts of websites pparadis might visit."
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09:49<HoopyCat>Gika: then paste in that hunk of tcpdump output
09:49<HoopyCat>Gika: (, not pparadis himself, although he is quite a hunk)
09:49<Gika>okay (maybe i'll leave out the last part...)
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09:51<amitz>say, what was the name of that starship in startrek the next generation?
09:52<JshWright>Enterprise ?
09:52<amitz>ah, yes :-)
09:52<JshWright>it's a pretty famous name in the US Navy, so I assume that's why they used it in Star Trek
09:52<TheFirst>it's also blasphemous that amitz did not know that
09:53<amitz>oh, seriously? I thought it's a made up name.
09:53<TheFirst>geek card revoked
09:53<amitz>military hardware geek is not mandatory!
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09:53<TheFirst>amitz: star trek is!
09:55<karstensrage>when geeks take over the world, the holy wars will be over who was the best captain, Kirk (obviously) or Picard (not a chance)
09:55<Gika>unrelated question: a good flash blocker for chrome?
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09:57<amitz>Gika: fwiw, you can block flash on google chrome 10 using menu (or 9 in the secret menu, or something along those lines)
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09:58<Gika>amitz: is it configurable? (i.e. allow flash on youtube and stuff)
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09:59<jtsage>Gika- what I use, has whitelisting
10:00<Gika>jtsage: thanks!
10:01<jtsage>also, like amitz mentioned, chrome does have a click-to-play function. about:flags in the address bar
10:01<amitz>Gika: the exception list since to be site base, which unfortunately applies to ALL plugins.
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10:02<amitz>jtsage++ , which I don't really pay attention to but the click to play function may be incompatible with the exception list.
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10:07<randallman>anyone know anything about safebrowsing.cvd from clamav?
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10:08<randallman>Im trying to understand the criteria by which sites are listed... e.g. I have a hash hit on a From: address that is hitting it, but that site was de-listed from Google safebrowsing
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10:09<pharaun>randallman: might just be delayed in removing it ?
10:09<randallman>I suppose
10:09<randallman>Unfortunately, it would be prohibitively difficult to remove one line out of the safebrowsing.cvd on each refersh with freshclam
10:10<marius_>it's wednesday! thanks randallman for being a reminder \o/
10:10<randallman>marius? :)
10:10<pharaun>there isn't like a mailing list or something you could hit up on it ?
10:10<randallman>pharaun, I suppose - but there's a lot of brains here regarding mail in general, so :) Figured it was worth the ask
10:10<pharaun>indeed :) those brains are sorta of offline atm >_>
10:10<marius_>randallman, wednesday is xkcd day ;P
10:10<randallman>The "other" randall
10:10<pharaun>need to go kickstart em :p
10:11<randallman>There can be only one! :-)
10:11<TheFirst>randallman: hope you like dying then :P
10:11*Randall edited his hilights so he wouldn't be pinged every time someone said "randallman" :P
10:12<randallman>Sorry :-)
10:12<randallman>You used to do _Randall :)
10:12*marius_ wonders if that's the Randall he so loves
10:12<marius_>and all the cool kids underscore the end of their nicks ;P
10:12<TheFirst>Randall: just turn them off and be safe in assuming no one wants to ping you
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10:13<straterra>Are any of you able to load over ipv4 without a cert error?
10:13<marius_>I'll tell you in a sec
10:13<straterra>Good deal
10:14<randallman>marius_: Randall is randall from xkcd, randallman is randallman from :)
10:14<marius_>randallman, I don't love you as much as him, just saying :P
10:14<randallman>Sorry :-)
10:14<TheFirst>randallman: thought you were the resident asshole or some such
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10:14<randallman>That's mwalling
10:14<TheFirst>marius_: uhhh stalker much?
10:15<linbot>(#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole (#5) jkwood is utterly insane, (#5) HoopyCat is the resident <redacted>
10:15<TheFirst>randallman: y'all are the same to me
10:15<marius_>TheFirst, always ;P
10:15<randallman>heh, not sure if I should be honored or abhorent :)
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10:17<TheFirst>probably column A unless you wind up in prison ... then I'm sure you'll abhor being the resident asshole
10:17<randallman>very nice
10:17<randallman>And now for something completely different... :-)
10:17<pharaun>czr: but then he would enter a Schrödinger's cat like state :p
10:17<TheFirst>someone's watching too much rocky and bullwinkle
10:18<marius_>Have you seen my fish?
10:18<marius_>It was the most peculiar fihs
10:18<TheFirst>marius_: tasted nummy too
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10:28<marius_>TheFirst, so you are the reason I can't find my fish!
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10:29<linbot>New news from forums: www or not www. what are the best practices? in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
10:29<TheFirst>marius_: you'll find him in a bowl in 6-12 hours ;)
10:30<randallman>I gotta get new pond filters, thanks for the reminder
10:34<marius_>Too much information
10:34<linbot>New news from forums: idle SRCDS takes up 210+ mb ram IDLE in General Discussion <>
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10:40<Bartzy>Hi - the Average IO operations threshold warning
10:41<pharaun>is user settable :)
10:41<Bartzy>is that really IOPS? Because I sometimes get over 1000 - And that's not very likely to be IOPS
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10:42<straterra>Maybe its swap
10:43<pharaun>check your swap
10:43<pharaun>but as of what the unit value, i dunno
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10:44<linbot>New news from forums: idle SRCDS takes up 210+ mb ram in General Discussion <>
10:45<MJCS>oh noe
10:45<MJCS>not 210 mb of ram
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10:48<Bartzy>Anyone knows the unit type of the IOPS threshold ?
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10:49<linbot>New news from forums: Apache Remove Double or Multiple Slashes (//) in URL? in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
10:49<marius_>I would think iops is io per seconds?
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10:52<Karrde>!urmom in japanese
10:52<linbot>Karrde: あなたのお母さんは彼女がガス価格の適正さ彼女の車を販売し愚\xE3\x81だ! (768:4 / 6) [momur]
10:55<linbot>New news from forums: Web site responds to address in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
10:56<randallman>At least one of those characters is not properly represented by my gnome-terminal :)
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10:59<TheFirst>all i see are a buncha boxes
10:59<TheFirst>I suppose it could be morse code...
11:00<randallman>TheFirst is using an old terminal program <stop>
11:00<randallman>Perhaps you should consider upgrading <stop>
11:00<randallman>urmom was the present in 2008
11:00<TheFirst>randallman: putty...not so much with the old
11:01<TheFirst>font ... yeah it isn't the newest but then there's not really a good utf8 for putty
11:01<randallman>actually, I particularly dislike i18n :) Computers speak english kthxbai
11:02<randallman>Half that crap aint working so good in rhel's gnome-terminal :)
11:02<randallman>I proally dont have the right stuff install
11:02<randallman>I tend to agree :0
11:02<randallman>But it fills the 90th % of need ;)
11:03<randallman>it runs firefox ok
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11:03<randallman>which charset was that you were cranking away with? :p
11:04<randallman>ok well I need to decide which fonts pkg(s) to install :)
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11:04<randallman>so I can grok your output :)
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11:06<randallman> yum search fonts | egrep "^fonts" | awk '{print $1;}' | xargs yum install
11:06<pharaun>that's pretty much what i did too
11:06<pharaun>there were a couple nasty ones, removed those but that solved most of the missing glyph issues
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11:08<randallman>I guess I probably have to restart X
11:08<randallman>or xset +fp rehash
11:08<pharaun>fc-cache -f ?
11:09<pharaun>but yeah it should already take care of it
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11:10<randallman>Lets see what happens
11:10<randallman>hmm, wonder if being in screen is gonna effect this too
11:10<randallman>Good question :-)
11:10<randallman>Also a good question
11:10<randallman>stuff I never gave a rat's tail about :)
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11:11<pharaun>start giving a rat's tail :>
11:11*pharaun hands a rat tail to randallman
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11:11<pharaun>SpaceHobo: yes but doesn't tmux still have some memory leak/spikes issues, at least the last time i looked into it
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11:12<guildchatter>Good morning =]
11:12<pharaun>aha k, i'll look at it again then :)
11:12<guildchatter>I followed this guide yesterday to setup emails:
11:12<pharaun>did you follow it to the letter?
11:12<guildchatter>i just have a question about setting up email forwarding
11:12<guildchatter>it works
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11:13<guildchatter>i noticed there's a "forwardings" table in mysql
11:13<pharaun>on email forwarding, shoot
11:13<guildchatter>i'm just wondering what's the format
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11:13<guildchatter>it's expecting
11:13<guildchatter>to setup an email forwarding address
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11:15<guildchatter>CREATE TABLE forwardings (source varchar(80) NOT NULL, destination TEXT NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (source) );
11:16<guildchatter>so... i just insert 2 email addresses into this table?
11:16<guildchatter>and it should automatically start forwarding emails?
11:16<pharaun>afaik, i've never used mysql for email, its probably something like that
11:16<guildchatter>ok.. well.. i'll give it a shot
11:16<guildchatter>before pparadis yells at me for being such a newb =T
11:16*pharaun pages pparadis to show up :>
11:17<guildchatter>he was kinda mad at me yesterday
11:17<guildchatter>please don't get his attention
11:19<Pryon>guildchatter: (1) yes. (2) You needn't limit yourself to a single address for the destination column
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11:20<Gika>umm, how does extra bandwidth work?
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11:20<pharaun>Gika: you buy extras and you have extras :>
11:21<Gika>pharaun: is it billed monthly?
11:22<Gika>or you can buy, like 100 gb, and then use it as "reserve" bandwidth?
11:22<pharaun>billed monthly iirc, can't use it like "reserves"
11:23<guildchatter>@pryon, thanks!
11:23<pharaun>i never used extras so i may be wrong but i think you just buy some extras and you are billed for that monthly
11:23<guildchatter>@pryon if i use multiple addresses in the forwarding.. are they separated by commas or spaces?
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11:25<Gika>pharaun: thanks
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11:25<Gika>the "reserve" thing would've made much sense (for me at least, since i don't need extra bandwidth every month)
11:29<guildchatter>well.. have a great day folks! =]
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11:30<pharaun>Gika: billing or some other reason, i dunno, just the way it is afaik
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11:38<Gika>but if i add 100 gb (through the extras menu) and there's like 4 days left in the month, do i only get 4/30 of that 100 gb?
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11:40<@pparadis>Gika: no
11:41<Gika>pparadis: but i get billed 10$ anyway?
11:41<@pparadis>Gika: you get 100 GB until then end of the billing period.
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11:42<@pparadis>s/then end/the end/
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11:42<@pparadis>Gika: you will never be charged the full amount for anything without receiving the full amount of what you bought.
11:42<Gika>pparadis: so it doesn't get billed on the first of the month with everything else?
11:42<@pparadis>Gika: it renews like any other extra.
11:43<@pparadis>and if you cancel it at any point, you receive a prorated credit.
11:43<@pparadis>why don't you go try it and see?
11:43<Gika>pparadis: okay, thanks :)
11:43<@pparadis>no problem :)
11:43<KyleXY>Because that's money going down the drain if you are like me :)
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11:43*KyleXY is on a limited budget, as usual.
11:43<@jed>who has been searching for me on google images
11:43<@pparadis>KyleXY: no, that's not true at all.
11:43<Gika>i've used about 60% of my bandwidth for the month till now, so i'll give it a try if it nears 80% or something like that
11:44<@pparadis>KyleXY: you can always remove things and receive a prorated credit in return.
11:44<KyleXY>pparadis: I chose the wrong datacenter at first, had to delete get the prorated refund and move it to another dc, 63 cents that could have been used elsewhere
11:44*KyleXY shrugs
11:44<KyleXY>I'm a penny pincher on what I can use
11:44<@pparadis>KyleXY: you could have opened a ticket to have us move it to another DC.
11:45<@pparadis>wouldn't have cost you anything.
11:45<KyleXY>I didn't find anything after searching that said I could have,
11:45<KyleXY>Maybe I am just used to stingy hosting providers,
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11:46*KyleXY bookmarks library
11:47<KyleXY>Well dang, heh
11:47<KyleXY>Oh well, too late now
11:49*KyleXY continues migrating to nginx,
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11:50<tjfontaine>you scared the jed
11:50<@Perihelion>Don't may come back
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11:53<tjfontaine>jkwood: you're still not sending a certificate ...
11:53*jkwood blinks
11:53<tjfontaine>jkwood: whois yourself and you'll see
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11:56<jkwood>That's probably still not right.
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12:00<Bartzy>Anyone knows the unit type of the IOPS threshold ?
12:01<mwalling>that is the unit
12:01<Bartzy>It can't be actual IO operations per sec, because I sometimes get over a 1000, and 2000...
12:01<tjfontaine>block read/write
12:01<Bartzy>Yeah but 2000 IOPS from my little linode is not possible
12:01<mwalling>sure it is
12:01<Bartzy>that's 25 SATA disks
12:01<tjfontaine>io operations, block read, block write
12:02<Bartzy>So that's the same as the r/s + w/s of iostat -dx ?
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12:02<pharaun>Bartzy: remember those disks in your host are *freaking fast* :)
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12:02<Bartzy>Because Munin never showed me over 150 IOPS
12:02<Bartzy>which is reasonable
12:02<tjfontaine>read the whole message, it's over a 2 hour period
12:03<tjfontaine>has exceeded the notification threshold (100) for disk io rate by averaging 496.04 for the last 2 hours
12:03<Bartzy>OK, it says that it averaged 1000 IOPS over 2 hours period
12:03<Bartzy>it's 1000 in my linode...
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12:03<agentbleubleu>im trying to php function system() or exec(), works on one server, but on a shared host server is blocked (the script runs but bash script cp / mkdir etc fails) any ideas on what to check for?
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12:04<Bartzy>so in order to average 1000, you need to be above 1000 sometime in those 2 hours right ? Munin never showed over 150 on those 2 hours
12:04<tjfontaine>munin-graph runs on this node?
12:04<Bartzy>Maybe it's sectors per sec ? Then it's logical
12:04<tjfontaine>munin-graph is what's generating the io, hands down
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12:05<Bartzy>why do you think that ?
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12:05<Bartzy>Munin is a performance hit ?
12:05<tjfontaine>because rrd is awful at io, but also I've used xen on my own and know that the hypervisor reports block operations, and that's most certainly what they're recording
12:05<@pparadis>Bartzy: i like munin, but have you actually watched your system stats while it generates?
12:06<Bartzy>pparadis: Nope...
12:06<Bartzy>So if munin is a performance hit, what should I use ?
12:06<@pparadis>that's something you could do to answer your own question :)
12:06<tjfontaine>change your graph strategy to cgi, you'll notice a change
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12:06<tjfontaine>if your graph strategy is cgi the graphs will only generated when you hit the page
12:06<pharaun>tjfontaine: aka it generates w.... damn it you beat me :p
12:07<Bartzy>tjfontaine: So the monitoring itself is not bad ?
12:07<Bartzy>Just the graph rendering ?
12:07<tjfontaine>I've been working on a replacement, here and there of a client side graphing utility for munin such that the graph load is in your browser
12:07<tjfontaine>Bartzy: it's not just the graph rendering but it's a large part of it
12:07<Bartzy>So keep munin and just do that cgi thingie ?
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12:08<tjfontaine>I think it's worth seeing the results
12:08<tjfontaine>jkwood: wooo
12:08<Bartzy>But Linode's threshold warnings - That's actual IOPS ? Like the one Munin reports ? Because munin reports up to 200 MAX :\
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12:08<jkwood>There we go.
12:08<tjfontaine>Bartzy: the closest is iostat yes
12:09<tjfontaine>Bartzy: but the graph is actually by 5min blocks there, you need to sum that and then divide by the 2 hours to verify the linode threshold
12:10<Bartzy>OK, I use this to measure IOPS:
12:10<Bartzy>diskstats ... That's what I have been talking about no more than 150/200 IOPS ...
12:10<@pparadis>Bartzy: if your linode graphs say you're using it, you're using it.
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12:11<Bartzy>tjfontaine: OK, I got it... just asking what diskstats means :|
12:11<tjfontaine>don't know, don't care
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12:14<Bartzy>ok thanks
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12:17<Bartzy>tjfontaine: You were talking about this: ?
12:17<tjfontaine>discusses /proc/diskstats
12:17<tjfontaine>Bartzy: yes
12:18<Bartzy>tjfontaine: They say there that it's not recommended, just a proof of concept ?
12:18<Bartzy>thanks for the link.
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12:21<tjfontaine>if there ends up being a discrepency here's where I think it is, the domU represents the disk image linode provides you to your domu kernel, that then mounts the filesystem, something does a read()/write() blah blah blah your kernel may merge any number of reads/writes together to make saner block operations, in the end your kernel issues an actual block operation which the hypervisor then translates back to a real-io-operation
12:22<tjfontaine>there are two places for linode to collect information about your io, one directly from the hypervisor and one directly from how ever they actually present the hypervisor your disks
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12:23<tjfontaine>if it's from the hypervisor (which is what I would expect) then io-ops are measured by what your kernel thinks is necessary, if it's from the hosts own diskstats (for example) then it's the *actual* io ops your node results in
12:26<@pparadis>either way, it's all pretty academic, as this doesn't matter unless you're using a ton of disk IO.
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12:32<ioio>I d need to recompile php --with-gd, i ve installed stock php from the Debian 5 repos, do I need to uninstall then manually configure/make php withe the --with-gd option or is there another way?
12:34<Bartzy>and averaging 2000 IOPS over 2 hours is not considered a lot ?
12:35<Bartzy>thank you for the explaintation, tjfontaine
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12:40<@psandin>ioio: no need to recompile anything, jsut install this:
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12:45<ioio>psandin: tx
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12:46<ioio>psandin: ok it didn t work, gd is already installed, here is the warning from my Drupal installation: The GD Library for PHP is enabled, but was compiled without support for functions used by the rotate and desaturate effects. It was probably compiled using the official GD libraries from instead of the GD library bundled with PHP. You should recompile PHP --with-gd using the bundled GD library
12:47<KHobbits>ioio, in that case you could try switching to dotdeb
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12:48<duckydan>On Ubuntu once, I had to remove PHP and put it back with the gd option to make that message go away.
12:48<KHobbits>its a alt set of repo's for mysql/php
12:49<KHobbits>php gets minor updates all the time, not using a repo source isnt really recommended unless you intend to stay on top of the updates.
12:49<KHobbits>thats why i'd recommend trying dotdeb.
12:49<anon6995>Is there an easier way to do this now? ( I assume so since this is from 2006
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12:51<ioio>KHobbits: if i add those sources do i need to unistall reinstall or just an update will do?
12:51<KHobbits>the update should take care of it
12:51<KHobbits>if not you can probably force a reinstall.
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12:54*KHobbits uses those sources with ubuntu
12:55<KHobbits>never tried with debian
12:55<KHobbits>even though thats what they were designed for.
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13:29<linbot>New news from forums: Exceptional response and support in Customer Testimonials <>
13:29<Kuboing>when a syfy ripoff of your movie is better... you've got issues
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13:32<dominikh>syfy, that name still causes facepalms
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13:33<@Perihelion>syfy sounds like a women's comic book group
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13:45*Kuboing is still trying to figure out where these bloody spikes come from
13:45<Kuboing>my server just becomes "eeh......wat?" randomly
13:45<Kuboing>and I can't find any source for it
13:47<tjfontaine>does it happen at normal intervals or at similar times of the day/week/month?
13:47<Kuboing>normal intervals?
13:48<Bhavicp>like every 10mins
13:48<Bhavicp>every X mins
13:48<tjfontaine>time interval: a definite length of time marked off by two instants
13:48<Bhavicp>Thats makes it more confusing
13:48<tjfontaine>period: the interval taken to complete one cycle of a regularly repeating phenomenon
13:48<Kuboing>Bhavicp: nope, random
13:49<Kuboing>the load always stays around 0.30
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13:49<Kuboing>but these hiccups have been there before even when it was 0.00
13:50<tjfontaine>what is and isn't accessible at this time
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13:50<tjfontaine>and how do you notice this, what is the major symptom
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13:51<Kuboing>unable to connect to the server during this period
13:51<Kuboing>http server, SSH, etc
13:51<Kuboing>or launching new processes if I'm logged in
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13:51<tjfontaine>that last part, does the console respond while you're typing?
13:52<Kuboing>but when executing the command it goes "................................................what?"
13:52<tjfontaine>you mean it takes a long time to start hte process?
13:52<Kuboing>pretty much :P
13:52<tjfontaine>using real words here is helpful
13:52<Kuboing>htop will take several minutes to start
13:52<Kuboing>even though the overall load never changes
13:52<Kuboing>screen ftw
13:52<tjfontaine>do you have io alert settings enabled?
13:53<tjfontaine>in the dashboard
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13:53<Kuboing>ah, those
13:53<Kuboing>I don't get any alerts
13:53<tjfontaine>and what are your thresholds set to?
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13:53<Kuboing>they're set to the default values, lemme check where they are
13:54<tjfontaine>do you see IO spikes in the graphs?
13:54<Kuboing>90% cpu, 1000 IO Ops/sec, 5mbit incoming, 5mbit outgoing, 80% transfer quote
13:54<Kuboing>yes, but they're all under 300
13:55<Kuboing>average is 60
13:55<Kuboing>that's not bad, right?
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13:56<europn>i have a questions regarding add-on's on the linode
13:56<@heckman>Kuboing: sounds good to me.
13:56<europn>i dont have a linode yet ...
13:56<@heckman>europn: you don
13:56<europn>but where can i find the priceing for the add-ons?
13:56<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
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13:56<Kuboing>heckman: so I guess my neighbour is abusing resources?
13:57<@heckman>Kuboing: if he is maybe you should go knock on his door. :/
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13:57<@heckman>Kuboing: I didn't read scroll back, but what issues are you having?
13:57<Kuboing>I don't have his personal details
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13:57<@heckman>(was a bad joke Kuboing)
13:58<Kuboing>heckman: basically, I am unable to connect, or unable to start new processes when connected. for a random period of time, at random intervals
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13:58<Kuboing>and I'm thinking of migrating this box to a dedicated box
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13:59<@heckman>I mean, you can always open a support ticket to have them look at the resources being consumed on the host.
13:59<Kuboing>I'm gonna try turning off some more services
13:59<@heckman>If you can deal with the downtime, usually we can migrate you another host without much issue to see if that fixes it.
14:00<@heckman>Have you also checked your console to make sure you aren't OOMing, or logging errors?
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14:01<@heckman>hm...that's definitely strange :/
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14:01<Kuboing>I have plenty of memory left
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14:02<Kuboing>most of it is in cache, though
14:02<@heckman>Only thing I can really say is to open a ticket and one of the guys on support right now will poke around the host.
14:02<KyleXY>Fun poking!
14:02<@heckman>Go away alien!
14:03*KyleXY is so far pleased with linode
14:03<KyleXY>Really enjoying the unlimited transfer between servers in the same dc, saves a lot of traffic between my two different shell servers.
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14:05<chrispitzer>hey - anyone here from linode? I'm trying to investigate an outbound DOS attack originating from one of my servers.
14:05<chrispitzer>feel free to pm me and i'll fill you in.
14:05*KyleXY waits for the almighty truth.
14:06<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
14:06<Kuboing>heckman: is having less virtual hosts configurations being loaded better?
14:06<Kuboing>or will it always be the same regardless of how many configurations are loaded?
14:06<@heckman>for apache2?
14:07*heckman doesn't really use apache2 too much
14:07<@heckman>I mean, I was talking to someone who had like 60 virtual hosts and it worked fine.
14:07<Kuboing>hmmm, I only have like 20
14:07<@heckman>So I don't think it's going to cause much trouble.
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14:07<Kuboing>but only 5 are actually in use
14:07<KyleXY>heckman: nginx fan?
14:07<@heckman>I'm not sure I would call myself a fan, but it works better for my purposes
14:07<@heckman>(serving static files)
14:08<KyleXY>I use nginx to serve my php pages, heh
14:08<Kuboing>I'm not hosting wordpress :P
14:08<@heckman>I was running a blog for a bit, but I didn't really do much with it. So I just commented out the virtual host.
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14:12*TheFirst got an ear full from one of the apache foundation guys last week about how bloated it is
14:12<jasonmsp>Having problems with the domain key public key in the DNS. the DNS TXT record is getting broken up. I try enclosing the entire thing in quotes is there a special syntax to prevent it from getting broken up?
14:12<TheFirst>nice that they complain instead of fix :/
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14:13<straterra>jasonmsp: define "broken up"
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14:15<jasonmsp>TXT record should simply be k=rsa; t=y; p=MII.... (the rest of the public key)
14:15<jasonmsp>the zone file shows it in chunks with each chunk in "
14:16<tjfontaine>are you setting this with the api or dashboard?
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14:16<jasonmsp>for example, about 2/3 the way through the public key it does this ....RDOO" "Pnn3Rg....
14:16<jasonmsp>Im using the linode dashboard
14:16<tjfontaine>can you generate a secondary public key of the same length so others can test?
14:16<KingTarquin>jasonmsp: Are you pasting it in, if so, check your paste to make sure they don't exist there.
14:17<tjfontaine>or at least tell us the total length of your txt record?
14:17<hawk>I don't know about the linode dns service, but TXT can not be longer than 255 characters, iirc... so if you want something longer you will neeed to have multiple strings
14:17<tjfontaine>hawk: stop stealing my thunder
14:17<jasonmsp>they do not. i need to pull the public key into a text editor to pull the carriage returns out
14:17<hawk>tjfontaine: sowwy
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14:18<tjfontaine>The format of each constituent string within the DNS TXT record is a single length byte, followed by 0-255 bytes of text data.
14:18<jasonmsp>i just tried putting the entire text record in ' to see if that did it. The latest update shows it contained the whole thing.
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14:19<jasonmsp>but the dk-filter is still failing due to the DNS record.
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14:21<jasonmsp>Thats where im at currently..
14:21<chrispitzer> /q ericoc
14:21<jasonmsp>the single ' are my addition to try and keep it together.
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14:23<hawk>jasonmsp: The \' bit doesn't look right
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14:27<jasonmsp>yes I noticed that to. working on trying to clear that.
14:27<jasonmsp>its not in the txt record entry i type in.
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14:29<hawk>Well, you said you put there ' there, right? And it looks like the linode web thingy might be escaping it for one reason or another...
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14:29<jasonmsp>hawk: yes though I did that as an attempt to stop the DNS record from getting broken up.
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14:30<hawk>jasonmsp: Can you show what it looks like if you just put the dk data in there?
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14:34<jasonmsp>the dk data?
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14:36<hawk>jasonmsp: Yeah, I meant the domainkey stuff that you're talking about
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14:36<Bartzy>I have 76MB of swap used.. is that bad ? Why the kernel doesn't free it ? I have RAM free..
14:36<jasonmsp>hawk: your asking what it looks like when it gets broken up? as in don't modify it, just put it in direct. yes.
14:37<JshWright>Bartzy: what does vmstat say?
14:37<hawk>jasonmsp: yeah
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14:37<JshWright>the kernel sticking pages it hasn't touched in a _very_ long time into swap is a good thing
14:37<JshWright>it frees up more RAM for caching disk IO
14:37<Bartzy>JshWright: No si or so in vmstat
14:37<mwalling>swap is good. swapping is bad
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14:38<jasonmsp>need to wait till xx:45 for the zone file to update since I've changed it.
14:38<HelAdoCaliente>Hi guys. I would like to know something Logwatch. Yesterday, suddenly logwatch stopped working. I tried to manually launch a logwatch( without cron) it yielded the same results. Anyway place where I can find the logwatch log?
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14:39<jasonmsp>hawk: just incase you are wondering it is 230 charachters.
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14:39<DrJ>can a linode 512 be upgraded to a linode 1024?
14:39<JshWright>Use the "resize" tab in the control panel
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14:40<DrJ>will it resize the partiton also?
14:40<DrJ>or is there something manually I must do
14:40<HelAdoCaliente>Drj: No
14:40<JshWright>I don't think it does that automatically, but its easy enough to do that in the Linode Manager once you've upgraded it
14:40<Boohemian>hi, has anyone here used audacity before?
14:40<Boohemian>i recorded a conversation with my advisor, but the program crashed. i have all the *.au files. i have been able to recreate it in two channels (two separate files). what i want to do is recreate the file in ONE file
14:40<HelAdoCaliente>Drj: There' s an edit section in your dashboard for your partition
14:40<Boohemian>it is currently in wave format. i would prefer mp3, but it really doesn't matter...
14:41<mwalling>so robinetd cant post random youtube links, but we can listen to this...
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14:41<@irgeek>Boohemian: Ummm.... that's a little off topic.
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14:42<@irgeek>Like, completely.
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14:42<DrJ>ah, thanks HelAdoCaliente
14:42<DrJ>looks extremely easy enough
14:42<Boohemian>irgeek: the processing power of linode would help me!
14:43<Boohemian>JshWright: thank you (sincerely) for that link
14:43<@irgeek>Still not on-topic.
14:43<Karrde>we talking about BOINC?
14:43<DrJ>one more question though ...I would like to just start fresh
14:43<Karrde>Red leader to red five, *stay on topic*
14:43<JshWright>Boohemian: you're welcome (sarcasticly) for googling for you
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14:44<DrJ>thanks guys
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14:45<DrJ>I do have another question but I don't think i will be able to get any help for it here ... I have a VM with another provider
14:45<DrJ>I would really like to transfer that VM to linode
14:45<DrJ>they do not give me that ability to download my backups
14:45<Karrde>take your own backup to config files
14:46<@mikegrb>what about some sort of live cd rescue environment?
14:46<Kuboing>I believe the linode library may help you with that problem... but I'm not advanced enough to recommend it
14:46<linbot>New news from forums: SSH timeout in Linux Networking <>
14:47<@irgeek>That explains what needs to happen.
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14:54<jasonmsp>i got it. the issue was the using the FQDN in the name
14:54<Kuboing>can I install windows on a linode? D:
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14:55*TheFirst smacks Kuboing
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14:55<randallman>WINE :-)
14:56<Kuboing>I prefer vodka, thank you
14:56<randallman>I mean WINE as in the Windows emulator bob :-)
14:56<Kuboing>wouldn't that be WEB?
14:57<straterra>wine isnt an emulator
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14:57<randallman>you're right, its not
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14:58<randallman>But that's pedantry :)
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14:59<randallman>and of course, very PINE like :)
14:59<randallman>pine is not elm
14:59<randallman>etc.. :)
15:00<@Praefectus>vodka is for alcoholics
15:00<tjfontaine>urmoms a mutt
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15:04<DrJ>can you download your linode disks?
15:05<@Praefectus>DrJ: yes
15:05<DrJ>so I could download it and then run it in a test vm at home then
15:05<DrJ>for like testing the install of some application
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15:08<KyleXY>Praefectus: Really? Cool
15:08<KyleXY>Praefectus: Any charge?
15:09<@Praefectus>KyleXY: charge for what?
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15:09<tjfontaine>disconnections are free
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15:10<@Praefectus>YES THEY ARE!
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15:11<KyleXY>Praefectus: For downloading a disk image
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15:11<KyleXY>Yeah I'm reading
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15:12<KyleXY>Just costs bandwidth
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15:14<HelAdoCaliente>Hey guys. I'm not receiving logwatch emails anymore. Any one has experienced that?
15:15<Mp5shooter>please refer to your user documentation
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15:17<mrnothersan>Hi, Any staff here?
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15:18<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
15:18<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
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15:22<linbot>New news from forums: SFTP Jails - OpenSSH - Software caused connection abort in Linux Networking <>
15:22<DrJ>trying to follow instructions here:
15:22<DrJ>but rsync on the other server is freezing every time
15:22<DrJ>on different files
15:23<DrJ>very small files in fact
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15:23<Dianoga>Anyone know why old graphs in the linode manager are unavailable?
15:26<Pryon>How old do you want? I can get 'em back to 1/2008
15:27<tjfontaine>you have upset the stat gods, you lose 180 days of history
15:27<Dianoga>Feb 2011 for example is unavailable
15:28<Dianoga>Aug 2010 and prior are available though
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15:29<Dianoga>Which is about 180 days...
15:29<Kenny>marius_: Hey
15:29<Kenny>You wanted to ask me something? :P
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15:35<robinetd>Kenny: Where you been? :O
15:35<Kenny>In ur mums bedroom
15:35<Kenny>She just wouldn't stop
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15:48<blognewb>Is twitter down?
15:48<robinetd>mrnothersan: You need help?
15:48<tjfontaine>!ask mrnothersan
15:48<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
15:49<JshWright>mrnothersan: if you have a private question and you are a current customer, a ticket will get you a response in more constant time (IRC _might_ be faster, but it also might be slower)
15:50<robinetd>tjfontaine: tater salad.
15:50<JshWright>if your question isn't private, just ask it here, it's quite likely a community member can at least point you in the right direction
15:51<mrnothersan>I am 14 years old and am doing a project and was wondering if you could provide me with a vps for $4 per month?
15:51<tjfontaine>aww cute
15:51<straterra>Are you from Nigeria?
15:52<JshWright>The lowest price Linode offers is $19.95/month. There is a 10% discount if you prepay for 12 months, and a 15% discount if you prepay for 24 months
15:52<straterra>mrnothersan: Why don't you install virtualbox for free and do whatever you want on it
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15:53<robinetd>revip seems to be down :(
15:53<tjfontaine>robinetd: due to a nasty kernel bug
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15:55<Kyhwana>hmm, the internet seems a bit broken this morning
15:55<@heckman>internet is an inherently broken system. :X
15:55<avenj>I tripped on a cable, sorry
15:55<robinetd>mrnothersan was on a linode ip address anyways.
15:56<Kyhwana>anyone having issues with gmail imap again?
15:56<avenj>robinetd: webchat thingo
15:56<robinetd>avenj: Intameresting.
15:56<sirpengi>means he was using the web irc client on the linode page
15:57<Kyhwana>and twitter is down too
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15:57<robinetd>tjfontaine: Wazzat?
15:58<tjfontaine>the ip he was from
15:58<robinetd>From teh UK.
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16:02<pharaun>tjfontaine: what kernel bug? i'm searching for it now
16:04<tjfontaine>dunno offhand
16:04<pharaun>just wondering cos i've been using virtualbox and i like it so far :)
16:05<tjfontaine>the bug had nothing to do with vbox
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16:06<pharaun>oh? k
16:06<tjfontaine>I don't think you followed the flow of the conversation right
16:07<pharaun>oh revip ?
16:08<pharaun>nvm :) thought it was regarding vbox XD
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16:13<meltphace>hey guys, i'm running a counter strike server on my linode and there are random periods of 2-8 second lag or so when the server can't be contacted.. other then that it works fine. this happens every half hour or so. anyone know why this might happen?
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16:14*Kuboing thinks meltphace is probably sharing his host
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16:15<JshWright>meltphace: anything interesting in any logs?
16:15<@pparadis>meltphace: have you tried looking into memory usage or running mtr reports to and from your linode when you notice this happening?
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16:17<TheFirst>if it's regular intervals first thought is a cron job
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16:19<tylerlm>i started using git this afternoon... i have a repo in a folder in my homedir that's being accessed via ssh. whenever I clone it from elsewhere, I get the latest version, but I dont see that version whilst browsing the repo folder... how do I update it (from itself?)
16:20<tjfontaine>pull or checkout depending on your sync method
16:21<tylerlm>tjfontaine: whoops... thought checkout was just for creating branches. thanks!
16:23<meltphace>i'll check logs next time it happens
16:23<meltphace>nothing interesting in dmesg though
16:23<tjfontaine>tylerlm: all depends on your work flow
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16:26<tylerlm>tjfontaine: thats the 'origin' - the local root clones it to a folder, two other boxes clone it to themselves, all three push changes to that origin folder. i can see changes on the local and remote clones, but not the origin itself - i cant find any documentation dealing with the situation of you being the origin... either that or i've missed something obvious
16:27<tjfontaine>tylerlm: operations ont he origin happen in .git/ that has no effect on CWD
16:27<JshWright>this is why I find mercurial more intuitive...
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16:28<tylerlm>JshWright: i've only been at it for an hour or so... =)
16:28<tjfontaine>your CWD just happens to be a point in time of a branch you checked out, and is not really tied to the git heirarchy beyond that
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16:29<tjfontaine>JshWright: they've just done a poor job explaining to people the difference between what operations change your current stuff versus what's just done in .git
16:32<tylerlm>tjfontaine: precisely my problem - perhaps i'll write *another* tutorial when i figure it out =)
16:32<tjfontaine>tylerlm: in short noone can screwup what you're working on right now from a remote location
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16:37<HelAdoCaliente>Hi guys. I looked in a couple of places on internet, but I can' t explain why my logwatch stopped suddenly working
16:38<tylerlm>tjfontaine: fetch and pull both die with 'origin': unable to chdir or not a git archive, and checkout HEAD just gives me an incomplete list of changed files. this is the dir i did git init in...
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16:42<tylerlm>tjfontaine: nvm... i'll just do some more reading - i'll ask later if i cant figure it out. thanks for the help
16:44<Bartzy>iframe inside an iframe inside an iframe - is that bad ?
16:45<TheFirst>iframe annoying .... iframe iframe iframe...where's my gun
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16:46<agentbleubleu>in bash im passing in a variable which can be returned but when i try to use it like this it fails chmod 777 ../../$1 any idea why?
16:46<@pparadis>actually seeing your code would help a lot.
16:51<Eman>Bartzy: iframes all the way down
16:52<Kuboing>can anyone recommend a rootkit scanner?
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16:53<mwalling>^^ chanlog doesnt seem to know to reconnect
16:53<thegodlikehobo>nows our chance to divulge our darkest secrets
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16:56<JshWright>agentbleubleu: when you get this working, let me know what the URL is, I could use a free server...
16:56<hawk>agentbleubleu: I wouldn't count on the working directory being that of index.php
16:56<agentbleubleu>you think unsafe
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16:57<hawk>It quite clearly is unsafe
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16:57<agentbleubleu>well im going to secure it after by limiting access password etc
16:58<agentbleubleu>just trying to get it to work atm
16:58<mwalling>agentbleubleu: think of it this way... what if I post "var=baz;adduser mwalling; usermod -aG sudo mwalling; true"
16:58<hawk>Just don't forget about actually securing it, because the way it looks now there is nothing to stop someone from running arbitrary commands
16:58<agentbleubleu>its going to be behind a passwall
16:59<mwalling>agentbleubleu: and if i guess a password (probably sent over http...)
16:59<JshWright>agentbleubleu: and you're using SSL, right?
16:59<agentbleubleu>not here :P
16:59<JshWright>then I own your password
16:59<TheFirst>point being, never trust input ever
17:00<tylerlm>oh dear
17:00<tylerlm>that *is* a good one
17:00<TheFirst>or is that always trust input and let me "test" the security?
17:00<agentbleubleu>this is jjust a quick test file to get it working, proof of concept
17:00<JshWright>agentbleubleu: whats the eventual goal here?
17:01<JshWright>it looks like you're trying to reinvent a wheel that has been invented several times over...
17:01<agentbleubleu>to set up an index file on a new domain which has been registered by simply adding the path in to a form
17:03<JshWright>agentbleubleu: are you the once registering the domains?
17:03<JshWright>why do you need a web form then?
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17:04<agentbleubleu>the domains are set up using a control panel
17:04<JshWright>why not use something like Fabric to create a script you can run locally
17:05<agentbleubleu>then i want a quick form to stick in an index file, but i dont have root access on this server
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17:05<agentbleubleu>well that would involve another learning curve
17:06<agentbleubleu>is there nothing daft that im doing whcih you can see as obviously wrong?
17:07<tylerlm>$last_line = system("/usr/www/users/script1 ".$var1, $retval);
17:07<tylerlm>no need for the putenv
17:07<JshWright>agentbleubleu: this is a Very Bad Idea, and I can't (in good conscience) help you with it
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17:08<tylerlm>agentbleubleu: i really REALLY agree with JshWright, it seems i have no conscience. hopefully i'm wrong
17:08<agentbleubleu>sure, i added that in testing
17:08<agentbleubleu>i will secure it after i get it working
17:08<agentbleubleu>step by step
17:09<tjfontaine>famous. last. words.
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17:10<agentbleubleu>When allowing user-supplied data to be passed to this function, use escapeshellarg() or escapeshellcmd() to ensure that users cannot trick the system into executing arbitrary commands.
17:10<tylerlm>tjfontaine: solved that git problem - had no idea what a bare repo was
17:11<tylerlm>tjfontaine: thanks for the pointers
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17:12<jasonmsp>can I update a DNS record from the command prompt on my system?
17:13<agentbleubleu>yes using the api
17:13<JshWright>you could write a script that would do it using the API
17:13<JshWright>(or get dancy with curl)
17:13<JshWright>don't get dancy with curl, it doesn't like that
17:14<agentbleubleu>curl is a pain in the arse for https and the api is ssl
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17:14<mwalling>agentbleubleu: yes, escaping it like that might help, but so would and
17:14<agentbleubleu>can you break that down a bit for me please
17:15<agentbleubleu>ah, your suggesting using php copy and chmod
17:15<mwalling>agentbleubleu: you're calling out to a bash script to do chmod and copy operations. why not use the built in functions?
17:15<agentbleubleu>oh that sounds better :)
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17:15<agentbleubleu>ok many thanks
17:15<mwalling>i'll also throw in and the __file__ magic constant
17:15<agentbleubleu>i thank thats a much better idea
17:16<mwalling>holy shit, they're actually called magic constants
17:16<mwalling>oh look theres a __DIR__
17:17<hawk>ooh... magic
17:17<agentbleubleu>btw guys we could do with some paganation in the dns control panel
17:17<agentbleubleu>currently it displays all in a list, on one page, 500 a page would be a good cut off :P
17:17<mwalling>how many domains do you have?
17:18<hawk>You actually have >500 domains?
17:18<agentbleubleu>that would be telling :P
17:18<AviMarcus>well if you need it, and are suggesting 500, then I'd hope you have over 500 or you're just wasting people's time
17:18<agentbleubleu>1500 and counting
17:19<mwalling>you have 1500 domains?
17:19<AviMarcus>well, subdomains too
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17:19<AviMarcus>isn't each it's own entry?
17:19<agentbleubleu>yes client domains,
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17:28<hawk>agentbleubleu: That's a lot of domains
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17:29<@pparadis>agentbleubleu: with that number, you may be interested in this -->
17:30<agentbleubleu>yes i use the api
17:30<agentbleubleu>its bloody fab :)
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17:44<jon0>howdy - I was just wondering if there is a limit to the number of IP addresses I can have on a single instance
17:45<jkwood>You get one by default. You can purchase an additional one if you can justify it.
17:45<Kyhwana>as many as you can afford, probably
17:45<jkwood>Of course, you can have an entire /64 worth of ipv6 ips if you would like.
17:46<Kyhwana>jkwood: not yet, you can't. (From linode that is)
17:46<jkwood>Kyhwana: I do.
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17:49<Bartzy>If vmstat 1 shows me swap in of 30-100 every 10 seconds or so
17:49<Bartzy>is that bad, or just routine swap usage ?
17:49<Peng>jon0: You can purchase one additional IP no questions asked. For any more, you have to justify them.
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17:50<Bartzy>but no swap out... And I already have 200mb in swap - I don't understand why linux won't free that swap
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17:51<jkwood>Bartzy: ^
17:51<Bartzy>I read that, it doesn't say about swap
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18:00<Kuboing>LINUX POOPED MY RAM! >:(
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18:05<GLaDOSDan>I shall break the silence,
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18:09<Kuboing>does this mean piracy is a-okay now?
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18:11<linbot>Please stay on topic. You may feel free to move the discussion to #moocows or #stayontopicorthebeatingswillcontinue.
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18:52<Kuboing>is there a way to pinpoint what processes are increasing the load average?
18:53<Kuboing>top and htop says everything is 0% ^^;
18:53<Kyhwana>IO affects load avg too
18:53<Kuboing>Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.9%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
18:53<Kuboing>wa sometimes becomes 5%
18:53<Kuboing>load average is 0.30
18:54<Peng>...0.30 is very low...
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18:54<Kuboing>then I'm still trying to figure out why this machine randomly becomes unusuable for several moments
18:54<Peng>The load average is the number of processes waiting for CPU. 0.30 means there's usually 30% of a process in the queue. That's very low.
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18:55<Kuboing>but... there are no processes which use anything
18:55<Peng>I mean, it could certainly be lower -- mine is 0.05 right now -- but 0.30 is still basically nothing.
18:55<Kuboing>just apache and mysql
18:55<Kuboing>and even with those turned off, it stays 0.30
18:55<sirpengi>yeah, you don't start worrying until it hits something like 4+
18:55<Peng>...Apache and MySQL use CPU. And you're running top, and SSH, and...
18:55<sirpengi>well, that's on your linode
18:55<Kuboing>Peng: which should average to about 0.10 at maximum, I believe?
18:55<Peng>Kuboing: Why do you believe that?
18:56*Peng shrugs
18:56<Kuboing>you said your linode is only using 0.05
18:56<Peng>Yeah, so?
18:56<Kuboing>and I highly doubt you have less stuff running than me :P
18:56<Peng>Anything <= 1.0 is pretty much nothing. And just because you're higher than that doesn't mean anything's wrong.
18:56<Peng>Some systems can be perfectly happy with a two or three-digit load average.
18:56<Peng>Not many of them...
18:57<sirpengi>suffice to say, 0.30 is WAY below any threshhold where you should start worrying.
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18:58<sirpengi>but then, your load right now means nothing in terms of what your load is when your system is unresponsive
18:58<Kuboing>sirpengi: I'm worrying because the node becomes unreachable for random intervals for random amounts of time
18:58<Kuboing>the problem is that the load doesn't change during the times the system is unresponsive
18:58<sirpengi>then it's probably something else
18:58<sirpengi>methinks it's network related
18:58<Kuboing>here, now for some reason my node is 0.01 average
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18:59<Kuboing>sirpengi: the console still responds. I just can't launch new processes. it will just sit there and wait
18:59<HoopyCat>isn't load average great?
19:00<sirpengi>it's just weird that noone can agree as to what it means
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19:02<Peng>Kuboing: Maybe there's a disk I/O issue.
19:02<HoopyCat>well, it's a very specific metric with a well-defined formula, so we all agree what it is. but yeah... what does it mean? NFI. every system is different.
19:02<Kuboing>Peng: on the host itself?
19:02<Kyhwana>Kuboing: check iostat ?whats your IO wait?
19:02<Peng>Kuboing: Shrug.
19:02<Kyhwana>Sure it's not a network issue?
19:02<Kuboing>iowait is 1.54%
19:04*knix spreads his love all over Yaakov
19:05<HoopyCat> 19:05:25 up 6 days, 22:51, 6 users, load average: 0.98, 0.75, 0.59
19:06<HoopyCat>from this, i know that supper is running late, and that i haven't vacuumed my office in over a week, since i last rebooted to install more RAM and declared that my office needed to be vacuumed ASAP
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19:08<knix>you ... unplug your server to vaccuum?
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19:10<robinetd>knix: There were no other free outlets!
19:10<Peng>My less busy VPS's load average is 0.32. :D
19:10<Peng>The more busy one is up to 0.12.
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19:11<knix>Peng: Mine is 00 :D
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19:11<knix>and all the users are just my screen sessions :'(
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19:41<Linoob>Need advice: is there a DEAD simple source control system u guys recommend? GIT is too complicated for me.. I've used SVN but still kinda hard to get a good grasp
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19:41<Linoob>is there s source control for dummies? don't tell me "cp -r"
19:41<nonorthodox>what is the difference between using rack with thin to deploy RoR apps than using passenger, on a nginx webserver?
19:42<mDuff>Linoob, I'm pretty fond of Bazaar
19:42<Linoob>is it dead simple?
19:43<mDuff>Linoob, close as you'll get in a DSCM
19:43<mDuff>(which is to say -- it's vastly easier than git)
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19:45<Peng>linbot: Bazaar, or Mercurial.
19:45<Peng>Ugh, Linoob, not linbot.
19:45<Linoob>thanks guys..
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20:14<HeladoCaliente>Hi guys. Anyone has experience with logwatch?
20:14<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
20:15<HeladoCaliente>because my logwatch just stopped working all of sudden. I didnt do any changes... and bang. Today it stopped working. I can' t even run it in cli. Cron is not the problem.
20:16<HoopyCat>what happens when you try to run it?
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20:17<DrJ>I'm have a terrible time trying to rsync my server to linode
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20:17<DrJ>always get something like that
20:17<DrJ>just not always on the same file
20:17<HoopyCat>DrJ: what does "df -h /mnt/xvdb" say?
20:18<DrJ>root@0:/mnt/xvdb/home/drj# df -h /mnt/xvdb
20:18<DrJ>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
20:18<DrJ>none 384M 384M 0 100% /
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20:18<HoopyCat>DrJ: you are trying to stuff more than 384 MB of data into a 384 MB filesystem.
20:18<HeladoCaliente>hoopycat: nothing. It runs for 2-3 secs as usual, and everything is fine and yet I dont receive any email. I tried with a different email too.
20:19<DrJ>the disk is a 16GB disk
20:19<Peng>DrJ: Apparently not.
20:19<HoopyCat>HeladoCaliente: does anything appear in your mail log? (are you using exim or postfix or some other mail server?)
20:19<Peng>DrJ: .../dev/xvdb isn't your swap, is it?
20:19<DrJ>(16128 MB, ext3)
20:20<DrJ>my swap is just a 256MB
20:20*Peng was confused by the "none", but maybe that's what df does.
20:20<HoopyCat>DrJ: did you mount anything on /mnt/xvdb? it looks like that's just the / on the recovery image...
20:20<DrJ>I followed commands hours ago on some page
20:20<DrJ>which I will have to relook up
20:20<HeladoCaliente>hoopycat: I use postfix
20:21<HoopyCat>HeladoCaliente: /var/log/mail.log would be where something would show up (if it were to show up)
20:22<HoopyCat>DrJ: did the command before that one (mount /dev/xvdb) return any errors?
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20:23<DrJ>I think when I did that it just gave me a new command line
20:23<DrJ>no output
20:23<HoopyCat>DrJ: pastebin the output of "df -h" and "mount" ... maybe it put it somewhere else
20:24<DrJ>I mounted it to /dev/data though
20:24<DrJ>I think it is working this time
20:24<HoopyCat>DrJ: then why are you trying to copy to /mnt/xvdb? :-)
20:24<DrJ>-I just- did that
20:25<HoopyCat>assuming /mnt/data is the right thing, it should probably work nicely
20:25<DrJ>mount /dev/xvdb /mnt/data
20:25<DrJ>did a mkdir /mnt/data prior
20:25<DrJ>transfer is far past what it got last time
20:25<HoopyCat>that should do the burrito
20:25<DrJ>root@0:/mnt/data# df -h /mnt/data
20:25<DrJ>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
20:26<HeladoCaliente>Hoopycat: Yes. It says status=sent.
20:26<DrJ>/dev/xvdb 16G 1.3G 15G 9% /mnt/data
20:26<HoopyCat>HeladoCaliente: was it sent to the right e-mail address? if so, might it have gone into your spamtrap?
20:27<HeladoCaliente>Hoopycat: I tried two differents emails. I use google apps though. Maybe the google server is blocking it? The two adresses were hosted on google.
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20:30<HoopyCat>HeladoCaliente: from my experience, they'll either immediately reject (or defer) it, or stuff it into the spam folder... i've had more false positives on my system-automated-mail account lately, for what it's worth...
20:32<HeladoCaliente>HoopyCat: Thank you very much. I' ll look into it
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20:32<linbot>Logwatch for webapp1.springfield Special 77% discount for customer alpha@redacted on all Pfizer, txgs
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20:34<HoopyCat>HeladoCaliente: if it is in your spam filter, a couple "Not Spam"s should clear it up nicely. (at least gmail learns)
20:34<HeladoCaliente>Hoopycat: Yeah, it's in my spam folder. Last time I checked they weren' t. I guess they were delayed.
20:35<HoopyCat>HeladoCaliente: probably just got lost amongst all the spam :-)
20:37<HeladoCaliente>HoopyCat: I guess gmail servers are very good anti-spammers, maybe too good ;) Their algorithm is obviously based on the periodicity of the mails..
20:38<HoopyCat>HeladoCaliente: there's a lot of factors, and they (necessarily) change a lot... the most consistent (and annoying and effective) thing i've found is that mail from "new" IP addresses gets spamtrap'd no matter what
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20:41<HoopyCat>dang... just got a new 802.11n USB adapter, plugged it into my netbook, and bam. connected immediately to the skytube with my creds, no fuss no muss. if this were windows, i'd probably have to scour the internet for drivers and howtos
20:41<HoopyCat>i love the 21st century, except for the whole apocalypse thing...
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20:42<HeladoCaliente>you dont know yet... there has been an apocalypse every century...
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20:51<HoopyCat>HeladoCaliente: it's just the end of the world *as we know it*, not the end of the world ;-)
20:51<HoopyCat>pretty sure linux having better hardware support than windows is a sign of something, tho
20:51<robinetd>It's neither.
20:52<jkwood>Not life as we know it, captain.
20:52<robinetd>Just another day.
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20:55<jamiedol>ngnix is giving a 504 Gateway time out while waiting for mogrify to process images on the server. I tried adding proxy_read_timeout, and still out the error. I just added proxy_send_timeout and am waiting for an upload so I can try it again. Any idea if these are the right settings to adjust?
20:57<jamiedol>btw... It happens after about 90 seconds of mogrify running. I can't find any php settings that are set to low.
20:58<HoopyCat>hrm, 90 seconds is a really long time
20:59<HoopyCat>and it sounds familiar... *grabs the manual*
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21:01<jamiedol>It happens with a 50 + mb upload (30+ jpegs). I'm watching the machine run it, and I think it is legit processing time.
21:01<HedgeMage>Anyone know of a sieve tutorial that doesn't suck? I have a broken sieve file and I'm not sure what I did to it
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21:04<HoopyCat>jamiedol: the timeout i was thinking of isn't this one, nor was the maximum value right... my brain's a slippin', that's for sure
21:05<pero>would someone please run one of those magic commands that could possibly give some insight as to why '' doesn't resolve to anythinig? godaddy's ui is starting to make me nauseaus
21:05<jamiedol>I know the feeling.
21:06<HoopyCat>jamiedol: it might end up being necessary to do it more asynchronously... basically, have some javascript on the client end ask the server every few seconds if it is done, rather than waiting for the whole glump
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21:07<HoopyCat>pero: it's got an SOA record, so it does resolve to something: 86400 IN SOA 2011031604 28800 7200 604800 86400
21:07<jamiedol>Do you think I'm hitting some kind of hard limit that can't be adjusted?
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21:07<HoopyCat>jamiedol: either that, or you'll hit some other limit next
21:08<jamiedol>okay, either that fixed it or this upload just processed faster because this just processed in about 60 seconds with no error.
21:08<jamiedol>* that being the proxy_send_timeout 600; line I added
21:09<pero>hmm, i updated the dns servers and arecord over 12 hours and am getting nothing nowhere
21:09<pero>even those global dns propagation checks dont give me a single resolve
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21:10<HoopyCat>pero: the nameservers are and ... usually, those "global dns propagation checks" just look for an A record, which doesn't exist according to the nameservers
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21:10<HoopyCat>pero: dig +trace
21:10<jamiedol>grr. Got the error again before it got to the last step in the upload... mogrify was still running on the server
21:10<pero>those nameservers are correct and the arecord is there...or should be
21:11<pero>dig +trace
21:11<HoopyCat>pero: you might have to get in touch with godaddy support
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21:11<pero>i was so hoping to avoid that
21:11<HoopyCat>pero: do the dig at a command line, such as the one on your linode
21:11<HoopyCat>pero: :-)
21:12<pero>im normally fine with my dns
21:12<pero>get an odd hiccup like this one here and there
21:13<pero>im wondering if its godaddy intentionally screwing me so i call in as the domain is about to expire
21:13<HoopyCat>... and that right there is why i don't let godaddy handle my DNS
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21:14<pero>im slowly moving my domains elsewhere 1 by 1 as they expire; perhaps they caught on to that one as well
21:15<sirpengi>did you just insinuate that you're moving them to 1and1?
21:15<straterra>Don't do that
21:15<straterra>Go to
21:15<straterra>They have ipv6 glue..and dnssec
21:15<pero>havent found a long term home yet, hence the 1 by 1
21:16<HoopyCat>my personal gtld registrar of choice doesn't do .ca, but i can't complain about budget names
21:16<pero>yea i think i'd be on gandi if they did .ca
21:16<pero>so far i've had no qualms with netfirms
21:16<Peng>HoopyCat: Which one is that?
21:16<HoopyCat>Peng: my personal gtld registrar of choice? NFSN
21:17<Peng>HoopyCat: Ah.
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21:21<pero>i see absolutely no difference in the godaddy setups of that domain, and another working one
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21:23*mDuff agrees with HoopyCat
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21:23<mDuff>...NFSN are exceptionally non-evil.
21:23<HoopyCat>30 helens agree
21:24*mDuff is bloody annoyed that they *still* don't have SNI support, but that's a different matter.
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21:30<pero>how would i give a non-root user full priviliges in, lets say, /www ?
21:30<robinetd>pero: chown and chmod
21:30<HoopyCat>nuts... one of the cookies cooling on the kitchen table just fell off into my hand, and a hunk of it accidentally landed in my mouth
21:31<HoopyCat>well i suppose it's ruined now; i'll just have to eat it
21:31<robinetd>HoopyCat: That sounds like a problem!
21:31<HoopyCat>robinetd: i'll have to do some more testing, but i believe there are some gravity issues in there
21:31<robinetd>Let me try!
21:31<pero>but i would also want apache to have whatever access it needs?
21:31*robinetd puts his mouth all over HoopyCat's cookies.
21:32<robinetd>pero: chgrp www-data and add your user to www-data.
21:34<DrJ>If your distro is using udev (most distros are these days), cd to /mnt/xvdb/etc/udev/rules.d and open the file that creates the persistent network rules, usually 75-persistent-net-generator.rules. Modify this file so that it does not create persistent rules for eth*. In this case we simply removed eth* from the beginning of the kernel whitelist.
21:34<DrJ>need help with that
21:35<DrJ>root@0:/mnt/data/etc/udev/rules.d# ls
21:35<DrJ>05-udev-early.rules 50-udev.rules 51-hotplug.rules 60-net.rules 60-raw.rules 95-pam-console.rules
21:35<DrJ>that's all I have
21:35<pero>rob: thx
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21:36<HoopyCat>DrJ: it's probably ok. (which distro?)
21:36<HoopyCat>DrJ: well, it's probably as OK as centos can be
21:36<DrJ>so skip over this section?
21:37<jamiedol>Maybe I should just limt the number of uploads to a more reasonable number. After my last time out, mogrify is going nuts and is running continously. Not sure what the heck it is mogrify'ing.
21:37<HoopyCat>jamiedol: divide and conquer
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21:37<jamiedol>kill all
21:38<HoopyCat>DrJ: probably. (there is some amount of guesswork and improvisation in the process)
21:38<DrJ>sounds like if the network comes up okay I'm fine right?
21:39<HoopyCat>DrJ: yup. (also check the network config file for any MAC addresses that might be hardcoded in there... i seem to recall this being a problem occasionally)
21:40<jamiedol>Tried to kill it, but not the php process just says defunct and mogrify keeps running.
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21:42<DrJ>linode is sitting at INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel
21:42<HoopyCat>jamiedol: i already dissed centos this hour; i gotta wait until 0200Z before i can diss PHP
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21:43<HoopyCat>DrJ: when booting the transmigrated image?
21:43<amitz>yes, UTC ftw!
21:43<jamiedol>Atleast cloudlinux is stopping it from using more than 1 core.
21:43<jkwood>I have no such qualms.
21:44<HoopyCat>DrJ: hmm. weird.
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21:44<jamiedol>They are dieing after some really high time out. 2 left...
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21:48<HoopyCat>DrJ: hrrm, is this originally from an openvz container?
21:48<DrJ>or however you spell that
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21:49<HoopyCat>DrJ: you might have to do some manual work to get it working standalone... at the very least, you'll probably need to fix the network config so it uses eth0. the udev cp errors are a little weird too.
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21:51<HoopyCat>DrJ: the console might not be where it expects it, either
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21:57<DrJ>eth1 does not seem to be present
21:57<DrJ>I guess it should be eth0:1 ?
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22:00<HoopyCat>DrJ: eth0 is usually your public IP; eth0:0, eth0:1, etc would be additional public or private ips
22:00<DrJ>what about loopback?
22:00<HoopyCat>that'll still need to be there (lo)
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22:09<DrJ>I got a login HoopyCat!
22:09<DrJ>c0:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty tty1 115200 vt100-nav
22:09<DrJ>added that to /etc/inittab
22:10<DrJ>[root@server1 ~]# ifup eth0
22:10<DrJ>[root@server1 ~]# ping
22:10<DrJ>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
22:10<DrJ>64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=2.36 ms
22:10<tyler>2ms to google.. wayyy too slow
22:10<tyler>find a better host
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22:11<DrJ>better host?
22:11<HedgeMage>would someone please be kind enough to shoot one or more emails at ? I'm trying to test some sieve rules before putting them live on my real email addy
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22:12<HoopyCat>HedgeMage: one or more test mails sent
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22:12<HedgeMage>thanks, HoopyCat
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22:12<HedgeMage>yay, problem #1 (ham going to spam folder if source address is unknown) fixed :)
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22:13<HoopyCat>DrJ: you're probably thousands of meters from google... you're gonna wanna move closer
22:13<DrJ>HoopyCat, still getting those cp errors
22:13<DrJ>but I don't see anything wrong really
22:13<DrJ>everything started
22:13<DrJ>I do not care about my google ping times
22:13<HoopyCat>DrJ: time for troubleshooting rule #1: Is There A Problem? :-)
22:14<DrJ>I just pinged google to check if the network was working
22:14<HoopyCat>DrJ: if there is not a problem, then there is not a problem
22:14<DrJ>no matter where you move a server you will be thousands of miles from someone :)
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22:14<jkwood>HoopyCat: I thought troubleshooting rule #1 was "Ridicule the potential problem in order to make it seem less frightening or intimidating."
22:15<HoopyCat>DrJ: not if you move it into the ENTERPRISE CLOUD
22:15<DrJ>I thought rule #1 was grab a beer
22:15<HoopyCat>jkwood: well yeah, but that rule is for me, not DrJ. :-)
22:15<HedgeMage>DrJ: I don't drink.
22:15<DrJ>(neither do I)
22:15<HedgeMage>DrJ: Sex and chocolate are my drugs of choice.
22:15<DrJ>was just making a joke
22:16<HedgeMage>I also enjoy a good cup of tea :P
22:16<DrJ>for me it would be grab a mt dew
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22:16<blognewb>are you guys pretty organized with your bookmarking?
22:17<jkwood>If by "organized" you mean "use random business cards or scraps of paper to mark my spot in books" then yes.
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22:17<Cromulent>I have bookmarks and I occasionally organise them
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22:18<DrJ>well thanks for all your help guys
22:18<DrJ>looks like I actually managed to migrate it :)
22:18<JshWright>Did someone say ENTERPRISE CLOUD? Let handle all your ENTERPRISE CLOUD CACHING needs!
22:18<DrJ>I guess that means pigs will be flying sky high tomorrow
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22:20*HoopyCat founds LINODE COAT FACTORY, not affiliated with Linode Industries
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22:50<pwnmyi>Okay I am looking to switch my site from a verio server to a linode server. Before I do that I need to know of linode offers support?
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22:51<tjfontaine>linode is unmanaged, but has an extensive library and an excellent community to support you
22:51<pwnmyi>So it offers no support?
22:52<tjfontaine>there's support
22:52<tjfontaine>but not as much for the software you run on your node as for issues with technical aspects of your node
22:53<pwnmyi>The only reason I am asking this is because I am illiterate when it comes to servers. Would I be able to call and get them to help me set it up?
22:53<path>they may redirect you to the library or this irc channel
22:53<Peng>pwnmyi: Unmanaged means they make sure it boots; you are responsible for running it.
22:53<Peng>pwnmyi: Linode is a great place to learn how to run a server, or you could hire a sysadmin.
22:53<tjfontaine>there are others here and in the forums who sell management services
22:54<pwnmyi>Yeah I have no clue how to do that so I'm guessing linode wouldn't be right for me correct?
22:54<tjfontaine>depends on your desire and capacity to learn
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22:55<pwnmyi>I'm just looking for a new server that cheap and ready to run my current website is running out of ram because it is getting sooo much traffic
22:56<tjfontaine>everyone here is confident a linode is affordable and able to run your site, but if you want a turnkey and you're not capable of making it on your own it's likely going to increase your costs
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22:58<amitz>good usage of the word ENTERPRISE people, grow and multiply in profit. /me hugs his ENTERPRISE trademark registration paper while smiling gleefully.
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23:16<jamiedol>Do linode have any graphics customers can use on their sites?
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23:23<jamiedol>Thanks. I just found that page a second ago. :-)
23:24<foreverwondering>A production site isn't a good place to learn system administration, and if you just want to mess around a bottom of the line openvz will do fine.
23:24<jamiedol>I'm selling hosting to a few people. I think using linode is a huge advantage for a number of reasons. Mind and well tell people about it, might even send some customers directly to linode while I am at it.
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23:25<Kyhwana>jamiedol: don't forget to give them your referral number ;)
23:26<jamiedol>Oh yea, is there some kind of credit or prize I get for reffering people?
23:27<BarkerJr>yep, credit
23:27<Kyhwana>yep, $20 credit per referral, after they stay 3 months
23:28<jamiedol>Thats cool. Thanks.
23:31<jamiedol>Anyone ever use Jungle Disk for Server Backups?
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23:34<jasonvan>if I am configuring virtual host for a subdomain, do I need to do anything different then a regular domain?
23:34<jamiedol>From their site, the service looks awesome. $5 /mo. No transfer costs. No Get / Put costs. Indivdiual file backup and restore. Only pay the $5 + .15/GB for what you store. I'm using linode backup, but really wanted something I can do partial restores with also if necessary.
23:35<jamiedol>Did you add a dns records for the sub domain?
23:36<jasonvan>yeah and A record. Plus I've setup a local hosts file for internal dns
23:36<jamiedol>Is it not working?
23:37<jasonvan>It isn't serving anything up. When I ping the domain name it responds back though
23:37<sirpengi>jasonvan: what do you experience when you try to access the site?
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23:38<jamiedol>What is the domain? Paste a copy of the record from your conf file htp://
23:38<jasonvan>here is the reference I am using
23:38<jasonvan>I get a page not found
23:39<jasonvan>answering sirpengi
23:39<sirpengi>jasonvan: so a 404 response?
23:40<jamiedol>Jasonvan: what is the full domain for the site?
23:40<jasonvan>no 404
23:41<jasonvan>I might have my local dns setup wrong
23:41<sirpengi>what's the url?
23:41<jasonvan>domain =
23:42<jamiedol>Who's dns servers are you using?
23:42<sirpengi>preview. points to for me
23:42<sirpengi>and it's not responding on port 80
23:42<sirpengi>so either that's the wrong ip, or it's firewalled
23:42<jasonvan>yeah that is my linode ip
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23:43<jasonvan>how could it be firewalled?
23:43<sirpengi>what distro are you using?
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23:44<jasonvan>Ubuntu 10.04
23:44<sirpengi>oh, is on a different IP altogether
23:44<sirpengi>is preview. the only site on your new linode?
23:44<jasonvan>is that the problem?
23:44<jasonvan>yeah right now
23:44<sirpengi>did you start your webserver?
23:45<sirpengi>did it start successfully?
23:45<sirpengi>afaik you don't need to configure ubuntu to open port 80
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23:46<jasonvan>I am just serving a static file
23:46<jasonvan>I did reload apache though
23:46<techhelper1>jasonvan: you need to set the A record on the domain name
23:46<techhelper1>to the IP address of your Linode
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23:46<sirpengi>he already did that
23:47<wenbert>hello, how do I add fileA.png to
23:47<wenbert>from the command line...
23:47<techhelper1>sirpengi: how long ago did he do that
23:47<jasonvan>so just to be clear, do I need to set my root domain name to my linode ip?
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23:48<sirpengi>techhelper1: what does it matter? I do a dns query and the record comes up
23:48<jamiedol>Jason no
23:48<techhelper1>are you trying to host from the root or subdomain
23:48<jamiedol>your not serving anything on port 80
23:48<jamiedol>type: telnet 80 from your box and tell me what it says
23:48<techhelper1> 900 IN A , when i run `dig` in terminal
23:49<sirpengi>techhelper1: we're dealing with a subdomain
23:49<techhelper1>then it should of been the A record, A - Name - IP
23:49<techhelper1>name being the subdomain
23:49<techhelper1>i thought you ment the root domain
23:50<jasonvan>jamiedol sorry telnet isn't working for me
23:50<sirpengi>what webserver are you using?
23:50<sirpengi>how do you confirm that it's running?
23:50<jamiedol>from your command line it doesn't work?
23:51<jasonvan>no, do I need to install telnet or new linode?
23:51<jasonvan>or = on
23:51<jamiedol>I thought telnet came with about everything.
23:51<sirpengi>depends, does it say "command telnet not found"
23:52<sirpengi>or does it say "Trying ... telnet: Unable to connect..."
23:52<jamiedol>find / -name telnet -print
23:52<Peng>jamiedol: That's a little inefficient
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23:52<jasonvan>command telnet not found
23:53<jamiedol>Yea, it always seems kind of putzy. What's a faster way to search the box?
23:53<StevenK>which telnet
23:53<sirpengi>that'll only search in your path though
23:53<sirpengi>the executable might be on the system, just not in your defined path :|
23:53<StevenK>locate, if updatedb has been run
23:54<jamiedol>Find works, but go grab a coffee while it runs
23:55<jamiedol>ps aux |grep apache
23:55<jamiedol>or ps aux |grep httpd
23:56<sirpengi>it's apache2 on ubuntu methinks
23:56<sirpengi>apache will work fine
23:56<jasonvan>yeah apache2
23:56<jasonvan>on ubuntu 10.04
23:56<sirpengi>httpd is for redhat derivatives
23:56<jamiedol>What is apache 2?
23:57<sirpengi>jasonvan: the latest stable release line of apache
23:57<sirpengi>err, jamiedol: ^^
23:58<sirpengi>i.e., apache 2.x
23:59<jasonvan>whatever the last stable release was four days ago
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